> I accept this. Yourself, the former Senior Consul and the office of the
> Censores worked together to the exclusion of the Senate in the
> appointment of two Senators. Actually similar actions have occurred
> in the past between the three of you....to the exclusion of the
> Senate. There is a name for this, Octavi. It is called a
> TRIUMVIRATE....(gotcha!)

> POMPEIA II: I'll have to look. I think Astur withdrew it. Who would
> or could 'veto' a proposal which is promulgated in part by a Tribune?
> Tribs are not subject to veto, except by an interrex or dictator.

> POMPEIA II: Well, why bother discussing something which doesn't have
> a hope in hades of ever reaching a vote?

> > > I maintain that you were too quick on the draw when you called this
> > > one. Sorry.
> >
> > Perhaps if you were the one who had been lied to by a "colleague"
> > you'd feel differently.
>
> POMPEIA II: I would feel badly about being deceived, but that is an
> emotional ruling. How I 'feel' does not necessarily reflect what
> actions I take which affect or potentially harm others.

> No, I vetoed it for three reasons: I was angry at the deception; the
> proposal was a bad idea; and the integrity of the Consulship had been
> violated. The first of these by itself shouldn't merit a veto but the
> others certainly did.
>

> Right now Marcus Octavius, you are in a poor position to debate this subject
> since you are a Censor. So you are biased.

> If we wish to have the censors
> appoint our Senators to the Senate without the Senate having a say, it
> defeats the spirit of old Rome since this never happened.

> We have examples in Livius showing what happened to Censors that over stepped
> their bounds. They were impeached and removed by the Senate. If the Senate
> was powerless how could they do this?

> If they were so powerful why don't they have lictors? The one symbol of
> Roman importance of authority and control and they don't have them.
> So they have no imperium.

> As no one has RSVP with an affirmative to my meeting proposal of some days
> ago, I gather I AM NOT expected to meet anybody in COLLEGE PARK TONIGHT at
> 6 pm.
>
>

> My position is consistent with what it was eleven months ago, when the issue
> of Censores' powers arose

>While I was Praetor I compiled a list of sodalitates and groups to

> > My position is consistent with what it was eleven months ago, when the issue
> > of Censores' powers arose
>
> Since I disagree with everything you say, I see no point in continuing this
> conversation.

> Salvete Omnes,
> I am seeking citizens who are interested in
> serving the
> Province. There are two Legate Major position's
> open. They
> are for Regio Campus(KS,MO,and NE) and Regio
> Montanus(MT
> and WY). Please contact me privately if you are
> interested.
>
> The Provincial Mail List(AMS_NR@yahoogroups.com) is
> being
> closed due to lack of use and interest.
>
>
> Sextus Cornelius Cotta
>
> --
> Propraetor--America Medioccidentalis Superior
> Province
> Factio Praesina
>
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> YahooMsgr: iguard2
>
> I Am interested...Live in madison wisconsin though.

> Salve Propraetor,
>
> I am Ca�us Minius Messala Bellator. I realize that you need assistance, and I would
> wish to help you and my of the same family. Would you accept of the assistance of
> families of other provinces or have needs only for the citizens of America
> Medioccidentalis Superior? If the assistance of other provinces interests you, we are
> of Gallia and very happy to be with your service for the work of your choice.
> That the gods bless you, dear friend.
>
> Ca�us Minius Messala Bellator (Paterfamilias)
> Civis Gallia Provinciae
> Civis Plebiae Novae Romae, Optima Maxima
>
>
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>

> Why should you be rewarded for doing this simple
> thing as a scribe? You start your reward when you
> enter the Cursus Honorum and the people see fit to
> reward your efforts with a magistracy. Then you get
> points in leu of pay.
>
> I hope you understand what I'm saying here.

> http://www.msnbc.com/news/853540.asp
>
>
>
>
>
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> Since this conversation began, I have not responded to Censor M. Octavius's
> baiting and accusations because most of his arguments are specious,
> inflammatory, and designed slander to my dignitas. However, as he
> continues his vendetta there are two things I would like to state.

> I had full right as Consul of Nova Roma to write the law as I felt was
> needed. Your and my discussion that occurred on June 14 was fully
> implemented into the text. On June 18th after discussion with my staff
> the law was increased to include sections IV, and V.

----- Original Message -----
From: Diana Moravia Aventina
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:59 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] SVR (response to MCJ's re Let's get organized guys...)


Salve Marcus Cassius Julianus

<The various lists are simply part of our infrastructure. A main reason that
a
<bunch of folks left and founded the SVR was that they felt Nova Roma was
'all
<politics and no cultural interest'.

While I also have been told the above, it seems to me that the SVR was
created with one goal in mind: to put Nova Roma out of business, since the
people who started the SVR left NR in anger.

Former NR citizens who quit NR and then started and/or joined the SVR are
trickling back to Nova Roma under sometimes their third new Roman name. I
have been told by more than one SVR member that since their 'enemies' are no
longer in political power, they are returning or will return soon. So their
'NR is all politics' excuse doesn't seem to fit. I believe the truth is
closer to 'we couldn't get OUR way politically in NR, so we left but now we
are returning because the balance of power has changed.' This bothers me: I
don't have much respect for people who won't fight for their cause, leave
others behind to do it for them, and then return to reap all the benefits
once the coast is clear...

And to being cultural, take a look at the Belgica meeting photos where the
highest magistrates are dressed in sheets and making faces at the camera.
Jeez...
http://home.tiscali.be/mauk.haemers/personal/personal.htm

Vale,
Diana Moravia




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----- Original Message -----
From: Marcus Octavius Germanicus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Truth, Lies, Consular Authority and Ethics


Salve Senator Corneli,

> Since this conversation began, I have not responded to Censor M. Octavius's
> baiting and accusations because most of his arguments are specious,
> inflammatory, and designed slander to my dignitas. However, as he
> continues his vendetta there are two things I would like to state.

It was not I who resurrected the subject of last year's vetoes; it was
a member of your gens and your political faction who brought them up
for no apparent reason, even though they had no relevance to the
ongoing debate.


Sulla: My friends and gens members can bring up any discussion they so desire.
When attacked here, I must defend myself, and I will do so by telling
the truth.


Sulla: Again, you are starting to cross the line, Censor.

> I had full right as Consul of Nova Roma to write the law as I felt was
> needed. Your and my discussion that occurred on June 14 was fully
> implemented into the text. On June 18th after discussion with my staff
> the law was increased to include sections IV, and V.

Meanwhile, I was asking repeatedly to see it, and you repeatedly refused.
You imagined yourself to be Consul without colleague; you chose to go
around me rather than cooperate. Our relations had been good up to that
point.


Sulla: Of course you asked to see it on our last email on June 14...and my response was that the law was NOT completed but that our agreement would defiantely be in the text which it was added. I even forwarded it to my consul_sulla_staff list.

You knew that this was a subject that I was deeply concerned with, for
we had spent an entire day negotiating what was to have been the proposed
Lex Cornelia Senatoria. After we had come to an agreement (or so I
thought, for I did not know you were acting in bad faith at that time)
you ignored my repeated requests to see the final text; then called for
a Contio with a proposal that contained considerably more than what we
had agreed upon.


Sulla: Of course I knew it was a subject you were deeply concerned with. I was too which is why I drafted the Lex Senatoria to begin with. I felt that after the high handed actions of our Censors in removing members of the board of directors with no cause and no empowering legislation was a far dangerous precedent. As I have stated above the agreement that you and I made was honored and written into the law. But the law itself was not completed til June 18th a full four (4) days after our discussion.

Did you *really* think you could get away with it? After we had spent
an entire day negotiating just how much the Censores powers could be
altered, did you really think that I would sit idly by while you went
far beyond what we had agreed upon?


Sulla: Get away with what? Promulgating a law that would protect the board of directors from the machinations and political motivations of the Censors? Yes, I thought it was a well reasoned and a law that highlighted common sense, especially after the events that transpired earlier last year.

Did you really think that I wouldn't object to your ham-handed attempts
to disempower the Censores?


Sulla: I thought you would have read the law on the ML with the rest of the citizens and voice your opinion of the law. At worst that is a political mistake, not an ethical one. There is a big difference there. And now Nova Roma suffers from the lack of that law. On top of that I am expecting you to try to remove members of the boni faction from the Senate. We shall see in the coming two years.

You were not acting in "good faith". By attempting to get around me,
by withholding information in spite of repeated requests, you declared
war on your fellow consul, without provocation, and I responded
appropriately.


Sulla: I see, this clears up your actions after this political error. Your motiviation to promulgate the Lex Octavia Salica and your attempts at Gens reform were designed to get back at your fellow consul because you felt I declared war on you? Now it all starts coming together. Your actions were all poltically motiviated. Thank you for declaring that to the entire People of Nova Roma.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix


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> What I would like to EVENTUALLY put together is a 'Newcomer's Guide

> Roma', VERY QUICKLY defining in SIMPLE words, the following:
> 1) a description of Latin terms used
> 2) The government of Nova Roma with a quick description of the

> positions held and who is currently in office.
> 3) information on the religio, describing the function of the

> is who/who does what
> 4) a very quick description of what each law refers to
> 5) the links to where new citizens can find detailed information on

> the above
> 6) the links to where new citizens can find the various laws, the
> constitution, a listing of all the various subject specific mailing

> who to email for what, and the other NR related websites
> 7) and last but not least, promotion for the Eagle!
>
> All of the above information can be found on the website in

> Unfortunately, this is not the level of citizen we should be
> attracting in the first place. I am referring to those
> individuals who view NR as a game and not as a committment.

----- Original Message -----
From: Saxus Pitrinius Atheniensis
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:16 AM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] SVR (response to MCJ's re Let's get organized guys...)


ante diem VII Id. IANVARIAS MMDCCLVI

SAXUS CORNELIO SALUTEM


> Unfortunately, this is not the level of citizen we should be
> attracting in the first place. I am referring to those
> individuals who view NR as a game and not as a committment.

Art thus undermining the significance of the humaniora in favour of a
blunt, uncouth politicastry?

Vince igitur et vale.



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> Sulla: Again, you are starting to cross the line, Censor.

> Sulla: Of course I knew it was a subject you were deeply concerned with.
> I was too which is why I drafted the Lex Senatoria to begin with. I felt that
> after the high handed actions of our Censors in removing members of the
> board of directors with no cause and no empowering legislation

> But the law itself was not completed til June 18th a full four (4)
> days after our discussion.

> Sulla: Get away with what?

> Promulgating a law that would protect the board of directors from the
> machinations and political motivations of the Censors?

> Sulla: I thought you would have read the law on the ML with the rest of
> the citizens and voice your opinion of the law.

> At worst that is a political mistake, not an ethical one.

> And now Nova Roma suffers from the lack of that law.

> On top of that I am expecting you to try to remove members of the boni
> faction from the Senate. We shall see in the coming two years.

> Your motiviation to promulgate the Lex Octavia Salica and your attempts at
> Gens reform were designed to get back at your fellow consul

> Your actions were all poltically motiviated.

> Thank you for declaring that to the entire People of Nova Roma.

----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 11:36 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Ancient Domains spam?


I received an unsolicited commercial e-mail (aka SPAM) in my
yahoomail account today from Ancient Domains. Since the NovaRoma
mainlist is the only place in the entire net where I list this
e-mail address, I'm satisfied that someone is harvesting e-mail
addresses here.

I know that Yahoo is a for-profit business, but I don't think
this sort of address harvesting falls under what's allowed
in their Terms of Service.

Is there anything we can do to stop this?

-- Marinus


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> Also think of the following: if we would only be interested in political roleplay "our way", why would we still be out there,

> Time to demistify a new myth that has just been launched here: that people who left NR in order to join SVR have "crept" back in

>

> Diana, if you say things, you have to prove them.

> What I read is just scandal-mongering without concrete names, clear-cut cases or proven examples.

> Until a month or so back you were a member of SVR, until you suddenly left. Yet we do not bear you ill will. As far as I know -

> And then, you say this, to finish it off: << and to being cultural, take a look at the Belgica meeting photos where the highest

>>
>

> Well, sometimes people do things *just for fun* you know? Oh, but you get that allright. You don't mention our philosophical

> I can't believe you openly stab me in my back like this.

> Before I begin my longwinded talking, I would first like to thank you, Marce
> Octavi, for your posting on this matter. I
> felt it was highly warranted, well written, and greatly explanatory of the
> SVR.
>

> I received an unsolicited commercial e-mail (aka SPAM) in my
> yahoomail account today from Ancient Domains

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, qfabiusmaxmi@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/7/03 12:42:01 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> postumius@g... writes:
>
>
> > Before I begin my longwinded talking, I would first like to thank
you, Marce
> > Octavi, for your posting on this matter. I
> > felt it was highly warranted, well written, and greatly
explanatory of the
> > SVR.
> >
>
> Why on the gods green earth must we listen to this dung by
deserters from
> Nova Roma?
>
> Fact one: You did not like the political climate here. You took it
upon
> yourself to launch vendettas against several gens that did not
agree with
> your views. Your leader in his manifesto made it very clear that
he wished
> the current constitution eliminated and a new one written more
favorable to
> his views. Your excuse? Oppressive rules, and lack of Roman
culture being
> imitated.
>
> Fact two: When you did not get your way after a failure in a
pivotal Senate
> vote, you all left, making theatrical resignation speeches about
how you go
> to a better place, and how everybody who didn't like it here could
go with
> you. So twice you tried to break up Nova Roma, once covertly, once
overtly.
> You must have been very disappointed when the bulk of the "sheep"
didn't
> follow your lead. The point is you deserted Nova Roma and left
your
> treasured citizenship. This is something Romans never do.
>
> Fact three. By your own admission you hold a dual citizenship.
That's OK if
> we are just clubs. But we are by our own declaration, a nation. A
nation
> depends on the loyalty of its citizens to maintain its strength.
You
> attempted to topple this nation. The fact that it was all fun &
games to you
> guys makes no difference to me, or Roman Law.
> An analogy would be if you robbed a bank as a lark, and then gave
the money
> back when you were caught. Doesn't matter. You are still going to
jail.
>
> If you want to be a magistrate here you will have to resign your
> "citizenship" in SVR as D. Moravia did. That way there is no
conflict of
> interests. The fact you still hold two citizenships makes me
wonder where
> your true loyalty lies.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> In a message dated 1/7/03 12:42:01 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> postumius@g... writes:
>
>
> > Before I begin my longwinded talking, I would first like to thank

> > Octavi, for your posting on this matter. I
> > felt it was highly warranted, well written, and greatly

> > SVR.


> >
>
> Why on the gods green earth must we listen to this dung by

> Nova Roma?
>
> Fact one: You did not like the political climate here. You took it

> yourself to launch vendettas against several gens that did not

> your views. Your leader in his manifesto made it very clear that

> the current constitution eliminated and a new one written more

> his views. Your excuse? Oppressive rules, and lack of Roman

> imitated.

>
> Fact two: When you did not get your way after a failure in a

> vote, you all left, making theatrical resignation speeches about

> to a better place, and how everybody who didn't like it here could

> you. So twice you tried to break up Nova Roma, once covertly, once

> You must have been very disappointed when the bulk of the "sheep"

> follow your lead. The point is you deserted Nova Roma and left

> treasured citizenship. This is something Romans never do.

>
> Fact three. By your own admission you hold a dual citizenship.

> we are just clubs. But we are by our own declaration, a nation. A

> depends on the loyalty of its citizens to maintain its strength.

> attempted to topple this nation. The fact that it was all fun &

> guys makes no difference to me, or Roman Law.
> An analogy would be if you robbed a bank as a lark, and then gave

> back when you were caught. Doesn't matter. You are still going to

>
> If you want to be a magistrate here you will have to resign your
> "citizenship" in SVR as D. Moravia did. That way there is no

> interests. The fact you still hold two citizenships makes me

> your true loyalty lies.
>

> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> I received an unsolicited commercial e-mail (aka SPAM) in my
> yahoomail account today from Ancient Domains. Since the NovaRoma
> mainlist is the only place in the entire net where I list this
> e-mail address, I'm satisfied that someone is harvesting e-mail
> addresses here.
>
> I know that Yahoo is a for-profit business, but I don't think
> this sort of address harvesting falls under what's allowed
> in their Terms of Service.
>
> Is there anything we can do to stop this?
>
> -- Marinus

>But why start this invective?

>How much lower can you go?

> Diana, if you say things, you have to prove them.

> Salvete omnes.
> Me too I received that spam.
> Valete bene
> L. Pompeius Octavianus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> <equitius_marinus@y...>" <equitius_marinus@y...> wrote:
> > I received an unsolicited commercial e-mail (aka SPAM) in my
> > yahoomail account today from Ancient Domains. Since the NovaRoma
> > mainlist is the only place in the entire net where I list this
> > e-mail address, I'm satisfied that someone is harvesting e-mail
> > addresses here.
> >
> > I know that Yahoo is a for-profit business, but I don't think
> > this sort of address harvesting falls under what's allowed
> > in their Terms of Service.
> >
> > Is there anything we can do to stop this?
> >
> > -- Marinus

> ---Salvete Honoured Tribune Luci Pompei et alii:
>
> The spam you received is the old Ancient Sites reborn.
>
> If anyone was a member in the past of Ancient Sites, this is the
> resurrection, if you will, of this group....and this is likely the
> database from which they are getting this.
>
> I know I was, so I am not suprised that they have my contact
> information.
>
> If this isn't the case and you have received a letter, well....hmm,
> they have a data base of some sort.
>
> Bene valete,

> ---Salvete Honoured Tribune Luci Pompei et alii:
>
> The spam you received is the old Ancient Sites reborn.
>
> If anyone was a member in the past of Ancient Sites, this is the
> resurrection, if you will, of this group....and this is likely the
> database from which they are getting this.
>
> I know I was, so I am not suprised that they have my contact
> information.
>
> If this isn't the case and you have received a letter, well....hmm,
> they have a data base of some sort.
>
> Bene valete,
> Po
>
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
> <danielovi@c...>" <danielovi@c...> wrote:
> > Salvete omnes.
> > Me too I received that spam.
> > Valete bene
> > L. Pompeius Octavianus
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> > <equitius_marinus@y...>" <equitius_marinus@y...> wrote:
> > > I received an unsolicited commercial e-mail (aka SPAM) in my
> > > yahoomail account today from Ancient Domains. Since the

> > > mainlist is the only place in the entire net where I list this
> > > e-mail address, I'm satisfied that someone is harvesting e-mail
> > > addresses here.
> > >
> > > I know that Yahoo is a for-profit business, but I don't think
> > > this sort of address harvesting falls under what's allowed
> > > in their Terms of Service.
> > >
> > > Is there anything we can do to stop this?
> > >
> > > -- Marinus

> -----Original Message-----
> From: L. Cornelius Sulla [mailto:alexious@...]
> Sent: Dienstag, 7. Januar 2003 19:44
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] SVR (response to MCJ's re Let's get
> organized guys...)
>
>
> Avete Saxus Pitrinius et Omnes,
>
> Sir, I do not know who you are. And, have never spoken to
> you. So, my response to you are at liberty to take whatever
> opinion you wish. I stand by my statement.
>
> If you would like to chat with me to get to know me I am
> available on AIM, ICQ, Yahoo Messenger, and MSN Messenger.
> You can get my contact information from the IM database.
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Saxus Pitrinius Atheniensis
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:16 AM
> Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] SVR (response to MCJ's re Let's
> get organized guys...)
>
>
> ante diem VII Id. IANVARIAS MMDCCLVI
>
> SAXUS CORNELIO SALUTEM
>
>
> > Unfortunately, this is not the level of citizen we should be
> > attracting in the first place. I am referring to those
> > individuals who view NR as a game and not as a committment.
>
> Art thus undermining the significance of the humaniora in
> favour of a
> blunt, uncouth politicastry?
>
> Vince igitur et vale.
>
>
>
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> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_cornelia
> <scriba_forum@h...>" <scriba_forum@h...> wrote:
> > ---Salvete Honoured Tribune Luci Pompei et alii:
> >
> > The spam you received is the old Ancient Sites reborn.
> >
> > If anyone was a member in the past of Ancient Sites, this is the
> > resurrection, if you will, of this group....and this is likely

> > database from which they are getting this.
> >
> > I know I was, so I am not suprised that they have my contact
> > information.
> >
> > If this isn't the case and you have received a letter,

> > they have a data base of some sort.
> >
> > Bene valete,
>
> I regret to correct illustra Pompeia Cornelia, but AncientDomains

> most definitely NOT the resurrection of AncientSites, which I was

> am now once again involved in resurrecting.
>
> www.ancientworlds.net was founded by one of the co-creators of the
> online mystery game SPQR and AncientSites, and we do not resort to

> mailings of this type. The founder purchased the database and
> graphics from the defunct CyberSites, and we have mailed to that

> only.
>
> There have been several sites created devoted to ancient history in
> the past two years, but only AncientWorlds has any direct

> with the founders' vision which created AncientSites.
>
> Gratias for the opportunity to clarify,
>
> ---
> cura ut valeas,
> @____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
> |||| www.villaivlilla.com/
> @____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
> |||| Scriba Censoris, MMDCCLVI
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> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> Factio Praesina
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factiopraesina/

----- Original Message -----
From: Chantal G. Whittington
To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:02 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Nobody Loves a Centurion (g)


Being uninvolved in the debate over SVR, I thought I'd
provide a dash of humor into the bubbling brew.

My husband Mark is reading a Roman mystery novel set
during the time of Julius Caesar when he was
Proconsul. The victim of the murder is a centurion
who is vasstly disliked, and the detective-type person
is a young patrician man in Caesar's employ. I had to
giggle at the following paraphrased exchange that Mark
read to me:

Det.: "Centurion so and so is dead? Wow! I'll
gladly give money for his funeral, but we'll have a
hard time finding professional mourners, way out
here."

Caesar: "Be serious. This is bad for morale."

Det.: "With respect, sir, I think this will do
WONDERS for morale..."

(snicker) I think I must read this book.

---
Renata Corva

=====
Chantal
http://www.theranweyr.org

"Yesterday, it worked.
Today, it is not working.
Windows is like that."




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----- Original Message -----
From: pompeia_cornelia <scriba_forum@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:36 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found


---At the law office of James LaSalle?

Oh common, I'm not buying that!!

That's a good one though!!!

Po (in a silly mood)


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Basilicatus Agricola"
<jlasalle@k...> wrote:
> http://www.msnbc.com/news/853540.asp
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
> 417 East 13th Street
> Kansas City, Missouri 64106
> (816).471.2111
> (816).510.0072(cell)
> (816).471.8412(Fax)
> The information contained in this e-mail message is attorney
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:41 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found

What?







The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
417 East 13th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64106
(816).471.2111
(816).510.0072(cell)
(816).471.8412(Fax)
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----- Original Message -----
From: pompeia_cornelia <scriba_forum@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:36 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found


---At the law office of James LaSalle?

Oh common, I'm not buying that!!

That's a good one though!!!

Po (in a silly mood)


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Basilicatus Agricola"
<jlasalle@k...> wrote:
> http://www.msnbc.com/news/853540.asp
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
> 417 East 13th Street
> Kansas City, Missouri 64106
> (816).471.2111
> (816).510.0072(cell)
> (816).471.8412(Fax)
> The information contained in this e-mail message is attorney
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----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Gunn
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 6:47 PM
To: Novaroma
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Reading Club?

Salvete,

Has anyone in NR ever suggested creating a book discussion list along
the lines of a reading club? The members could take turns selecting a
Classical themed book (Roman or Greek literature, historical/scholarly
text, or historical fiction), set up a schedule (so many chapters or
pages a week) to keep everyone more or less in synch, and then discuss
the past weeks reading on the list. It seems to me that it would be an
excellent social and learning experience. Also, if individuals purchased
their books from Amazon.com (through Nova Roma's referral system) on
occasion, it would even help generate some revenue for the treasury.

Would anyone else be interested in doing something like this? Or is
anyone already doing it, and I've just missed the boat?

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus
Propraetor Nova Britannia
Lictor
Minerva Templi Sacerdotes

Patria est communis omnium parens.
"Our native land is the common parent of us all." - Cicero


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----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found


Read all about it in the January EAGLE coming to a home near you!!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:41 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found

What?







The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
417 East 13th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64106
(816).471.2111
(816).510.0072(cell)
(816).471.8412(Fax)
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----- Original Message -----
From: pompeia_cornelia <scriba_forum@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:36 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found


---At the law office of James LaSalle?

Oh common, I'm not buying that!!

That's a good one though!!!

Po (in a silly mood)


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Basilicatus Agricola"
<jlasalle@k...> wrote:
> http://www.msnbc.com/news/853540.asp
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
> 417 East 13th Street
> Kansas City, Missouri 64106
> (816).471.2111
> (816).510.0072(cell)
> (816).471.8412(Fax)
> The information contained in this e-mail message is attorney
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the individual or entity named. If the reader of this message is not
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:57 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found

You question my status as advocate, fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way of Life?







The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
417 East 13th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64106
(816).471.2111
(816).510.0072(cell)
(816).471.8412(Fax)
The information contained in this e-mail message is attorney privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by using the contact information in the "reply to" field above and return the original message to the sender. Thank you.
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found


Read all about it in the January EAGLE coming to a home near you!!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:41 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found

What?







The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
417 East 13th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64106
(816).471.2111
(816).510.0072(cell)
(816).471.8412(Fax)
The information contained in this e-mail message is attorney privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by using the contact information in the "reply to" field above and return the original message to the sender. Thank you.
----- Original Message -----
From: pompeia_cornelia <scriba_forum@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:36 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found


---At the law office of James LaSalle?

Oh common, I'm not buying that!!

That's a good one though!!!

Po (in a silly mood)


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Basilicatus Agricola"
<jlasalle@k...> wrote:
> http://www.msnbc.com/news/853540.asp
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
> 417 East 13th Street
> Kansas City, Missouri 64106
> (816).471.2111
> (816).510.0072(cell)
> (816).471.8412(Fax)
> The information contained in this e-mail message is attorney
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the individual or entity named. If the reader of this message is not
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----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found


salve the ROMAN WAY!

----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:57 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found

You question my status as advocate, fighting for Truth, Justice, and the American Way of Life?







The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
417 East 13th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64106
(816).471.2111
(816).510.0072(cell)
(816).471.8412(Fax)
The information contained in this e-mail message is attorney privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by using the contact information in the "reply to" field above and return the original message to the sender. Thank you.
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found


Read all about it in the January EAGLE coming to a home near you!!!!

----- Original Message -----
From: Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:41 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found

What?







The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
417 East 13th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64106
(816).471.2111
(816).510.0072(cell)
(816).471.8412(Fax)
The information contained in this e-mail message is attorney privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the individual or entity named. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or the employee or agent responsible to deliver it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately notify the sender by using the contact information in the "reply to" field above and return the original message to the sender. Thank you.
----- Original Message -----
From: pompeia_cornelia <scriba_forum@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 8:36 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ruins of ancient Roman tower found


---At the law office of James LaSalle?

Oh common, I'm not buying that!!

That's a good one though!!!

Po (in a silly mood)


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Basilicatus Agricola"
<jlasalle@k...> wrote:
> http://www.msnbc.com/news/853540.asp
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> The Law Office of James L. LaSalle
> 417 East 13th Street
> Kansas City, Missouri 64106
> (816).471.2111
> (816).510.0072(cell)
> (816).471.8412(Fax)
> The information contained in this e-mail message is attorney
privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of
the individual or entity named. If the reader of this message is not
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----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Gunn
To: Novaroma
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 3:47 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Reading Club?


Salvete,

Has anyone in NR ever suggested creating a book discussion list along
the lines of a reading club? The members could take turns selecting a
Classical themed book (Roman or Greek literature, historical/scholarly
text, or historical fiction), set up a schedule (so many chapters or
pages a week) to keep everyone more or less in synch, and then discuss
the past weeks reading on the list. It seems to me that it would be an
excellent social and learning experience. Also, if individuals purchased
their books from Amazon.com (through Nova Roma's referral system) on
occasion, it would even help generate some revenue for the treasury.

Would anyone else be interested in doing something like this? Or is
anyone already doing it, and I've just missed the boat?

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus
Propraetor Nova Britannia
Lictor
Minerva Templi Sacerdotes

Patria est communis omnium parens.
"Our native land is the common parent of us all." - Cicero


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----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Reading Club?


Salve You should join Roman history books@ yahoogroups I think that what it is called.

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Gunn
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 6:47 PM
To: Novaroma
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Reading Club?

Salvete,

Has anyone in NR ever suggested creating a book discussion list along
the lines of a reading club? The members could take turns selecting a
Classical themed book (Roman or Greek literature, historical/scholarly
text, or historical fiction), set up a schedule (so many chapters or
pages a week) to keep everyone more or less in synch, and then discuss
the past weeks reading on the list. It seems to me that it would be an
excellent social and learning experience. Also, if individuals purchased
their books from Amazon.com (through Nova Roma's referral system) on
occasion, it would even help generate some revenue for the treasury.

Would anyone else be interested in doing something like this? Or is
anyone already doing it, and I've just missed the boat?

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus
Propraetor Nova Britannia
Lictor
Minerva Templi Sacerdotes

Patria est communis omnium parens.
"Our native land is the common parent of us all." - Cicero


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----- Original Message -----
From: Saxus Pitrinius Atheniensis
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 6:37 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] SVR


ante diem VII Id. IANVARIAS MMDCCLVI

SAXUS CORNELIO SALUTEM


I'm asking for clarification on what appeared to be a belittlement of
the humanistic enterprise; as though politicians could ply their trade
without civilization.

Salve atque vale.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: L. Cornelius Sulla [mailto:alexious@...]
> Sent: Dienstag, 7. Januar 2003 19:44
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] SVR (response to MCJ's re Let's get
> organized guys...)
>
>
> Avete Saxus Pitrinius et Omnes,
>
> Sir, I do not know who you are. And, have never spoken to
> you. So, my response to you are at liberty to take whatever
> opinion you wish. I stand by my statement.
>
> If you would like to chat with me to get to know me I am
> available on AIM, ICQ, Yahoo Messenger, and MSN Messenger.
> You can get my contact information from the IM database.
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Saxus Pitrinius Atheniensis
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:16 AM
> Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] SVR (response to MCJ's re Let's
> get organized guys...)
>
>
> ante diem VII Id. IANVARIAS MMDCCLVI
>
> SAXUS CORNELIO SALUTEM
>
>
> > Unfortunately, this is not the level of citizen we should be
> > attracting in the first place. I am referring to those
> > individuals who view NR as a game and not as a committment.
>
> Art thus undermining the significance of the humaniora in
> favour of a
> blunt, uncouth politicastry?
>
> Vince igitur et vale.
>
>
>
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----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:19 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] The Appointment of Scriba Curatoris Differum second try at spelling name RIGHT






EDICTVM CVRATORIS DIFFERUM
The Appointment of Scriba Curatoris Differum


E Domo Curatoris Differum
CAIUS MINIUS BELLATOR AND POMPEIUS MINIUS AQUILA PALLADIUS
are hereby appointed Scriba Curatoris Differum effective today the
7th of Ianuarius MMDCCLVI auc 7 January 2003.
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, Curator

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> The spam you received is the old Ancient Sites reborn.
>
> If anyone was a member in the past of Ancient Sites, this is the
> resurrection, if you will, of this group....and this is likely the
> database from which they are getting this.
>
> I know I was, so I am not suprised that they have my contact
> information.
>
> If this isn't the case and you have received a letter, well....hmm,
> they have a data base of some sort.

> Pompeia writes:
>
> > The spam you received is the old Ancient Sites reborn.
> >
> > If anyone was a member in the past of Ancient Sites, this is the
> > resurrection, if you will, of this group....and this is likely the
> > database from which they are getting this.
> >
> > I know I was, so I am not suprised that they have my contact
> > information.
> >
> > If this isn't the case and you have received a letter, well....hmm,
> > they have a data base of some sort.
>
> I'm quite sure they didn't get my yahoo address that way.
> As you may recall, Po, I created the yahoo account solely for
> use on this mailing list. The only way that anybody would see
> it would be to somehow have access to Nova-Roma.
>
> It's perhaps *as* significant that I did not get the spam at
> the address I use for all other NR related mailing lists.
>
> -- Marinus

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_cornelia
> <scriba_forum@h...>" <scriba_forum@h...> wrote:
> > ---Salvete Honoured Tribune Luci Pompei et alii:
> >
> > The spam you received is the old Ancient Sites reborn.
> >
> > If anyone was a member in the past of Ancient Sites, this is the
> > resurrection, if you will, of this group....and this is likely the
> > database from which they are getting this.
> >
> > I know I was, so I am not suprised that they have my contact
> > information.
> >
> > If this isn't the case and you have received a letter, well....hmm,
> > they have a data base of some sort.
> >
> > Bene valete,
>
> I regret to correct illustra Pompeia Cornelia, but AncientDomains is
> most definitely NOT the resurrection of AncientSites, which I was and
> am now once again involved in resurrecting.
>
> www.ancientworlds.net was founded by one of the co-creators of the
> online mystery game SPQR and AncientSites, and we do not resort to e-
> mailings of this type. The founder purchased the database and
> graphics from the defunct CyberSites, and we have mailed to that list
> only.
>
> There have been several sites created devoted to ancient history in
> the past two years, but only AncientWorlds has any direct connection
> with the founders' vision which created AncientSites.
>
> Gratias for the opportunity to clarify,
>
> ---
> cura ut valeas,
> @____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
> |||| www.villaivlilla.com/
> @____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
> |||| Scriba Censoris, MMDCCLVI
> Accensa Senior Tertia, Cohors Consularis, MMDCCLVI
> America Boreoccidentalis
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> Factio Praesina
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factiopraesina/

> ante diem VII Id. IANVARIAS MMDCCLVI
>
> SAXUS CORNELIO SALUTEM
>
>
> I'm asking for clarification on what appeared to be a belittlement of
> the humanistic enterprise; as though politicians could ply their trade
> without civilization.
>
> Salve atque vale.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: L. Cornelius Sulla [mailto:alexious@e...]
> > Sent: Dienstag, 7. Januar 2003 19:44
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] SVR (response to MCJ's re Let's get
> > organized guys...)
> >
> >
> > Avete Saxus Pitrinius et Omnes,
> >
> > Sir, I do not know who you are. And, have never spoken to
> > you. So, my response to you are at liberty to take whatever
> > opinion you wish. I stand by my statement.
> >
> > If you would like to chat with me to get to know me I am
> > available on AIM, ICQ, Yahoo Messenger, and MSN Messenger.
> > You can get my contact information from the IM database.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Saxus Pitrinius Atheniensis
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2003 10:16 AM
> > Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] SVR (response to MCJ's re Let's
> > get organized guys...)
> >
> >
> > ante diem VII Id. IANVARIAS MMDCCLVI
> >
> > SAXUS CORNELIO SALUTEM
> >
> >
> > > Unfortunately, this is not the level of citizen we should be
> > > attracting in the first place. I am referring to those
> > > individuals who view NR as a game and not as a committment.
> >
> > Art thus undermining the significance of the humaniora in
> > favour of a
> > blunt, uncouth politicastry?
> >
> > Vince igitur et vale.
> >
> >
> >
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> Its a great book. Much better than Saylors' stuff. Not that Saylors stuff
> isn't good.
>
>
>

> Art thus undermining the significance of the humaniora in favour of a
> blunt, uncouth politicastry?
>