> My grandfather knew so many interesting and diverse people. His
> funeral was like a meeting of the united nations, he knew so many
> people, from all walks of life.

> He saw the good parts of everyone.

> As much as I fear I fall short of him sometimes, <snip>

>"biojournalism <biojournalism@...>"

> Salve Pompeia,
>
> Thank you for sharing that with us. Your grandfather sounds like he

> wonderful person!
>
> > My grandfather knew so many interesting and diverse people. His
> > funeral was like a meeting of the united nations, he knew so many
> > people, from all walks of life.
>
> > He saw the good parts of everyone.
> Now I am going to start philosphizing a bit.... I agree with your
> grandfather. There is something good about *everyone.* Sometimes it

> so obviously apparent and we have to look a bit, but the goodness is in
> there. I have a pretty wide fluffy bunny streak :-)
>
> > As much as I fear I fall short of him sometimes, <snip>
> Dear Pompeia, I certainly doubt that you fall short of him or anyone

> for that matter!
>
> Vale,
> Diana Moravia Aventina

> If this rumor is true, argument is being made that my holding the office of
> Pontifex Maximus is 'illegal' because I was not elected to the position in
> the Comitiae. The person informing me has said that 12 Senators have signed
> on to this idea so far. No one has spoken a word to me officially as yet...
> if this rumor is indeed true I would no doubt hear nothing until folks were
> sure they had a 'senate majority' first. By then it would be far too late to
> defend myself.

> Salvete Omnes,
>
> A rumor has come to me that there is a movement in the Senate to

> removed as the Pontifex Maximus of Nova Roma. Even though I am not

> certain this is actually being done, I'd like to bring the issue up

> rather than have something of this nature brought up as some sort

> 'surprise' in a closed forum.

> Distressing news; but I believe this is merely a rumour. I have
> heard nothing of such a plot, have not been approached by any
> Senator. I also have complete confidence in both of our Consuls
> for this year and firmly believe that they would never participate in
> or endorse such a scheme.
>
> You have my complete support in this.
>
> Vale, Octavius.
>
>

> A rumor has come to me that there is a movement in the Senate to have

>If this rumor is true, argument is being made that my holding the

> A rumor has come to me that there is a movement in the Senate to
> have me removed as the Pontifex Maximus of Nova Roma. [...]

> A rumor has come to me that there is a movement
> in the Senate to have me removed as the Pontifex
> Maximus of Nova Roma.

> As the Senior Consul of Nova Roma I hereby openly accuse those who
> would possibly participate in an intrigue to remove our Pontifex
> Maximus of being traitors and schemers!
>
> I assure You, Illustrus Marcus Cassius Julianus that You have my
> complete support! Such intrigues will hurt our Res Publica and must
> be dealt with harshly!
>

----- Original Message -----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Cc: ReligioRomana@yahoogroups.com ; SenatusRomanus@yahoogroups.com ; NovaBritannia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Removal of Pontifex Maximus?


Salvete Quirites!

As the Senior Consul of Nova Roma I hereby openly accuse those who
would possibly participate in an intrigue to remove our Pontifex
Maximus of being traitors and schemers!

I assure You, Illustrus Marcus Cassius Julianus that You have my
complete support! Such intrigues will hurt our Res Publica and must
be dealt with harshly!
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
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"I'll either find a way or make one"
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>
> Other aspects of the matter aside, is this at all possible? Isn't

> office of Pontifex Maximus one appointed by the collegium

> not the senate? I do believe this is explicitly stated in our
> constitution.
>
> Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.

> Other aspects of the matter aside, is this at all possible? Isn't the
> office of Pontifex Maximus one appointed by the collegium ponteficium,
> not the senate? I do believe this is explicitly stated in our
> constitution.

> To institute such extraordinary measures a Senate
> vote is required. I guess now you can see why the Senate's support would be
> crucial in such a scheme.
>

> Salve Senator Marce Cassi,
>
> > If this rumor is true, argument is being made that my holding the

> > Pontifex Maximus is 'illegal' because I was not elected to the

> > the Comitiae. The person informing me has said that 12 Senators

> > on to this idea so far.

>
> You have my complete support in this.

>
> Vale, Octavius.
>
> --
> Marcus Octavius Germanicus,
> Censor, Consular, Citizen.
> http://cynico.net/~hucke/

> Moreover, I am probably your wife's biggest fan. Her gentle spirit
> and the godly spirit she exudes shows to anyone who has met her, that
> she is sincerely seeking and searching to bring love and light to the
> world.
>
> You are damned lucky to have her, yunno that??? (grin)

> But it seems to be the modus of late. Smear campaigns.

> I was visiting his sites.
> Then I visited www.graveyards.com.....linked into your Gothic
> Pages.....then to "Dark Poetry" and found I had read one of the
> literary offerings...written by Taurus/Castrocari himself.....from the
> link to his personal site off yours.
>
> Friend of yours, Octavi? Not accusing, just asking.

> But it seems to be the modus of late. Smear campaigns.

>As for me, I announced honestly to the Senate approximately three

>I received nothing.

> In a message dated 1/15/03 6:48:03 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> pectus_roboreus1@... writes:
>
>
> > I have a rule about not creating grounds for future resentment that way,
> > myself. Future citizens may not "pay off" on that debt, and, truth to
> > tell, I don't expect them to do so. As well, many parents can tell you
> > all about "future gratitude"... not a game I choose to play.
>
> Municius, what on earth are you talking about? What future resentment?

> Our reward will be from future NR citizens, who will thank us for
> preserving and sacrificing for this project in order for it to be a
> success.

> And
> if there is resentment, these people are in the wrong place.

> NR will
> accomplish goals only after people lose this self centered approach of
> theirs.

> To quote a great man "Ask not your country can do for you, but what
> you can do for your country."
> The reversal of this ethic is what caused the decline of the republic after
> the Third Macedonian War.

On Fri, Jan 17, 2003 at 04:13:04PM +0100, Diana Moravia Aventina wrote:

Salve, Diana Moravia Aventina:
>
> When I hear third party that someone dislikes me, I get upset and wonder why
> the Hell someone had the *need* to share that info with me in the first
> place... It usually ends up that I hear later on that this gossip wnet back
> to the person who supposedly doesn't like me and say 'Diana said this about
> you'.... These types get their kicks from starting trouble.

<Nod> A net.friend of mine, someone whose judgement I greatly respect,
calls this "playing telephone" and interdicts any attempts to do so in
a very firm manner. I believe she's absolutely right to do so.

> We are all different people with different viewpoints. Let's not let any
> seemingly unfounded rumour make us suspicious of one another.

Good advice at this point, I'd say.


Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Audentes fortuna iuvat.
Fortune favours the brave.
-- Vergil, "Aenis"

> Gnaeus Salix Astur and Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus are elected
> Praetores for MMDCCLVI. Gnaeus Salix Astur will be Senior.

>Gnaeus Salix Astur and Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus are elected
>Praetores for MMDCCLVI. Gnaeus Salix Astur will be Senior.
>
>Marcus Arminius Maior didn't recieve enough support, I thank him for
>standing for office.

>
> On Friday, January 17, 2003, at 05:05 AM, Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> wrote:
>
> > Moreover, I am probably your wife's biggest fan. Her gentle spirit
> > and the godly spirit she exudes shows to anyone who has met her, that
> > she is sincerely seeking and searching to bring love and light to the
> > world.
> >
> > You are damned lucky to have her, yunno that??? (grin)
>
> Po, you sweetie, I am blushing! Thank you very much for the kind words.
> (But I think I'm the lucky one in this marriage...)
>
> -----
> Patricia Cassia
> Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
> Nova Roma . pcassia@n...

> Salve Pompeia,
>
> > But it seems to be the modus of late. Smear campaigns.
>
> It would also seem that every time that there is any
> controversy on any subject whatsoever, you will take it as an
> opportunity to change the subject to the Agorius incident.
>
> > I was visiting his sites.
> > Then I visited www.graveyards.com.....linked into your Gothic
> > Pages.....then to "Dark Poetry" and found I had read one of the
> > literary offerings...written by Taurus/Castrocari himself.....from the
> > link to his personal site off yours.
> >
> > Friend of yours, Octavi? Not accusing, just asking.
>
> I do not have any "Gothic Pages" or "Dark Poetry" on my site at all,
> having no interest in such matters. Nor do I have any links to any
> pages known to be managed by Agorius. I never heard of him before he
> showed up on the list in November, and I've heard nothing from him
> since he fell silent a few weeks later.
>
> My site does NOT link to anything of his. I demand that you either
> prove or retract that insinuation.
>
> > But it seems to be the modus of late. Smear campaigns.
>
> Indeed.
>
> --
> Marcus Octavius Germanicus,
> Censor, Consular, Citizen.
> http://cynico.net/~hucke/

>---www.graveyards.com/link
>s.html
>the url to your external
>links, where you will find a
>link to the Dark
>Side of the Web, with
>hundreds of links to the
>Darkside.

> the url to your external links, where you will find a link to the Dark
> Side of the Web, with hundreds of links to the Darkside.

> I just checked, it is still there as of this time.
> So, no, I shall not retract what I have stated.

>> literary offerings...written by Taurus/Castrocari himself.....from the
>> link to his personal site off yours.

> I don't care about your interests, except where they may cloud your
> judgement of the verbage of the constitution, edicta, leges and the
> wellbeing of the Roman people.

> How do you ask me to retract what is there in black and white?

> I would not be silly or illmilled enough to post this unless I saw it....

> And since there is a correlation of interests between the two of you,
> I asked you if you knew one another.

>
> > the url to your external links, where you will find a link to the Dark
> > Side of the Web, with hundreds of links to the Darkside.
>
> That's the best you can come up with? That I link to a directory of

> of sites, one or more of which is apparently owned by Agorius?
>
> There are no links to his site from mine.
>
> > I just checked, it is still there as of this time.
> > So, no, I shall not retract what I have stated.
>
> Here's what you wrote:
>
> >> literary offerings...written by Taurus/Castrocari

> >> link to his personal site off yours.
>
> I suppose what you wrote is vague enough that it could be considered

> some truth to it - the only links to his site are indeed "off" of mine -
> hundreds of miles off. Your little rhetorical trick here is as honest
> and ethical as the classic "have you stopped beating your wife?"
>
> I'll put in a link to Google too. That way you can accuse me of linking
> to bestiality, white supremacy sites, and anything else you'd care

>
> I notice that you use a free email service (hotmail.com) that

> popular with spammers and child pornographers. Do you know any of

>
> > I don't care about your interests, except where they may cloud your
> > judgement of the verbage of the constitution, edicta, leges and the
> > wellbeing of the Roman people.
>
> I don't think you care about much of anything at all except dragging

> through the mud at every opportunity. Twice since the beginning of

> you've dredged up the incident that caused you to abandon your duty

> it was actually relevant to current events - in order to slander me.
>
> > How do you ask me to retract what is there in black and white?
>
> There is nothing "there in black and white". I do NOT link to Agorius,
> period, and I resent your lies and insinuations. I link to a directory
> site that is no different from Yahoo or Google.
>
> > I would not be silly or illmilled enough to post this unless I saw

>
> I do not believe this for a second.
>
> > And since there is a correlation of interests between the two of you,
> > I asked you if you knew one another.
>
> You have demonstrated no correlation of interests; I have no

> "goths" or "dark poetry".
>
> Once again, I do NOT know Agorius, and I have no connection to him,

> your repeated baseless attacks on me.
>
> --
> Marcus Octavius Germanicus,
> Censor, Consular, Citizen.
> http://cynico.net/~hucke/

> As of this time (yeah, right now), you can link to your Dark Side of
> the Web portal to many links (which contained poetry by Castrocari, so
> I asked if you knew him)....AND....
>
> Guess What????
> The document contains no data!!! Notta!

> So you don't know Agorius.....fine. But please do not say that I have
> no business stating as a matter of fact that there are not gothic/dark
> links on your site....ahh, 'were' such links.

> Salve Pompeia,
>
> > As of this time (yeah, right now), you can link to your Dark Side of
> > the Web portal to many links (which contained poetry by Castrocari, so
> > I asked if you knew him)....AND....
> >
> > Guess What????
> > The document contains no data!!! Notta!
>
> What document? Where?
>
> Nothing has changed on graveyards.com today.
>
> > So you don't know Agorius.....fine. But please do not say that I have
> > no business stating as a matter of fact that there are not gothic/dark
> > links on your site....ahh, 'were' such links.
>
> Nothing has changed on graveyards.com today. Go have another look.
>
>
> --
> Marcus Octavius Germanicus,
> Censor, Consular, Citizen.
> http://cynico.net/~hucke/

>You are damned lucky to have her, yunno that??? (grin)

>And now, for the honesty on my part. Had I have been Consul this

>we need to look at

> Pompeia Cornelia wrote:
>
> >As for me, I announced honestly to the Senate approximately three
> weeks before the election announcement that my circumstances changed,
> thereby allowing me time to avail myself as consul. I was rather
> hoping for a letter or letters from the conscript body on whether or
> not they felt it was a good idea.
>
> >I received nothing.
>
>
> Salve,
>
> Pompeia, you refer to message #5016 in the Senate records, posted on

> 15, 2002. I for one, am very sorry that you were disappointed in not
> receiving any response from the Senate. I do not believe at all that

> was trying to slight you in any way - certainly I was not! The idea

> may have been feeling upset over this for the past four months is a

> surprise. That's a long time to be feeling rejected. Nobody would

> that for you.

>

>
>
> Vale,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> the url to your external links, where you will
> find a link to the Dark Side of the Web, with
> hundreds of links to the Darkside.

> Salve Pompeia, Salve Octavius,
>
> I think that maybe there is a misunderstanding here and well, and in the
> spirit of my friend Scipio, I too hate to see people that I am very

> misunderstand eachother.
>
> <As of this time (yeah, right now), you can link to your Dark Side of
> <the Web portal to many links
>
> The misunderstanding here is that www.darklinks.com is not a website of
> Octavius'. It is someone else's. A 'who is' search found the

> below this email). The owner of http://www.darklinks.com is Carolin

> from Washington State and not Octavius. So Taurinus's poetry site in the
> name of Castrocari is linked to C Campbell's which is linked to
> graveyards.com.
>
> Ok, to be clear:
> If you go to Octavius' site www.graveyards.com/links.html . There

> click a link called
> http://www.darklinks.com/ which takes you *off* Octavius' graveyards

> Then there is Dark Poetry at http://www.darklinks.com/dpoetry.html.

> click, you are taken off the darklinks/dark poetry website to yet more
> sites.
> I assume that http://www.angelfire.com/mn2/mothernight/trial1.html

> Embrace of Mother Night The Poetic Musings of Julius Castrocari ".
> Another offsite link takes you to what I assume is Taurinus' personal
> website http://www.angelfire.com/ga3/subrosa/bittersuite.html
>
> So Octaivus site is pretty far away from Taurinus'.
>
> Vale,
> Diana Moravia
>
> Registrant:
> Dark Side of the Net (DARKLINKS-DOM)
> PO Box 3929
> null
> US
>
> Domain Name: DARKLINKS.COM
>
> Administrative Contact:
> Campbell, Carolin (CC117) carrie@C...
> Cascade Internet Development
> PO Box 53365
> Bellevue, WA 98015
> 425/663-4259
> Technical Contact:
> Hostmaster, Vincenzo (VS1026) vincenzo@A...
> Soylent Communications
> PO Box 4436
> Mountain View, CA 94040
> 408/293-2600
>
> Record expires on 23-Nov-2005.
> Record created on 24-Nov-1998.
> Database last updated on 17-Jan-2003 12:05:53 EST.
>
> Domain servers in listed order:
>
> ZONE.AREA.COM 216.218.218.18
> NS.AREA.COM 216.218.218.16

> Thanks for the info. Really unnecessary of you to go to this trouble.

> That he stated that he had no Gothic Links or links on his Graveyards
> site was a rather unnecessary miscarriage of the truth on his part.

> There was no need for him to be so defensive, then.

> Further, a retraction from me for stating something that is in black
> and white is not indicated either.

> I get rather narly when it comes to miscarriages of justice.

> You expect some kind of a future gratitude for your reward; in my
> experience, that's nothing more than a resentment trap.
>
>

>
> Pompeia wrote:
>
> > That he stated that he had no Gothic Links or links on his Graveyards
> > site was a rather unnecessary miscarriage of the truth on his part.
>
> Why are you doing this?
>
> I did NOT make such a statement. Go back and actually READ what I

> Nowhere did I say I have no "gothic links". I said only that I do not
> link to any site belonging to Agorius.
>
> Your smear campaign is repugnant. You are lying and distorting facts
> at every opportunity. You accused me of linking to a particular citizen
> who once caused some trouble; that was false. You now accuse me of
> claiming I have no "Gothic Links"; I made no claims of the sort.
>
> > There was no need for him to be so defensive, then.
>
> I am "defensive" because you are waging a deliberate campaign of
> character assassination. Twice this month you have jumped into a
> discussion of a subject completely unrelated to the events at the
> end of your praetorship and twisted it into slander against me.
>
> You tried to insinuate that I had some sort of connection to
> Agorius because both of our sites appeared in a directory of
> eleven thousand sites. You then accused me of committing a
> "miscarriage of truth", WHILE FALSELY CLAIMING THAT I HAD SAID
> SOMETHING I DID NOT.
>
> I will not tolerate your smear campaign, your lies, your
> half-truths and thinly veiled accusations. You have repeatedly
> misrepresented what I have done and said.
>
> > Further, a retraction from me for stating something that is in black
> > and white is not indicated either.
>
> I did not really expect one. You seem incapable of comprehending
> the results of your actions.
>
> > I get rather narly when it comes to miscarriages of justice.
>
> And I get rather incensed when I am the subject of false accusations
> and a campaign of harassment and slander.
>
>
> --
> Marcus Octavius Germanicus,
> Censor, Consular, Citizen.
> http://cynico.net/~hucke/

>Pompeia:  I did not expect a whole bunch of feedback, really. I wanted

>Another point is, and if I delivered it poorly I apologize, that I

>If I wanted the 'power', honoured Pontifex, I would have kept my mouth

> He doesn't know Agorius. Cool.

> Congratulations to both of you, I'm so very pleased to see this
> election decided at last. I'm sure you'll both be fine praetors.

> Also, my sincere thanks to everyone who voted.

> Salvete Senatores!
>
> Congratulations to Illustrus Gnaeus Salix Astur and Illustrus
> Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus for your elections as Praetores. I
> am sure that You both will be a good Praetores and I look forward
> to working with You! I also want to Congratulate Illustrus Gnaeus
> Salix Astur as he now enters the Curia and greet him welcome to the
> marble benches!

> In message 7196 you write "I do not have any Gothic Pages or Dark
> poetry on my site at all, having no interest in such matters"

> Is it my computer lingo here?, but I take this to mean there is no
> such content, or links to such content displayed on your primary pages.

> You have links to Gothic Chicago and Links to the Darkside. So I am
> hardly misreading the above.

> This does not make me a liar.

> That makes me a citizen who asked you a pointed question.

> Why am I doing this? I've answered that in previous posts.

> My friend of long standing, Pompeia Cornelia, writes:
>
> > He doesn't know Agorius. Cool.
>
> *sigh*
>
> Po, from where I watch it looks like you're obsessed with this.
> I have the impression that you're convinced Octavius is either
> a liar or a deceiver, and therefore unfit for duty. While I'm
> sure you arrived at this conclusion by what seems like rational
> thought processes to you, I just don't see it.

>
> Marcus Octavius is a good man and a good magistrate. He supported
> Agorius because he (Octavius) believes passionately in the idea
> that freedom of expression is a fundamental human right. I know
> this with absolute certainty.

>
> Pompeia, you and I have exchanged private e-mail on this topic
> in the past few months. You know my feelings on the matter.
> I understand and appreciate your feelings of loss and of being
> hung out to dry. But please, let this go. If you just can't
> let it go, then let me or other of your friends work this out
> between you and Octavius to both of your satisfaction in some
> less public way. If you can't do either of those, then maybe
> you should just start signing every post you make with "... and
> furthermore Octavius must be destroyed."

>
> I say that last half in jest and full earnest, because it seems
> to me that you're being overwhelmed with bitterness by the
> rancor you feel toward Octavius. It's sad for me to watch, and
> detracts from the collective dignitas of our Republic.

>
> -- Marinus

> All I know is that they were defied in favour of Agorius.

> Octavius interfaced either his own personal convictions and/or
> perhaps United States laws,

> And these same guidelines, (an Edictum Equitius, not a Martha Stewart
> list of shoulds and shouldnts) are suddenly 'ok' when the debate is
> called to a halt some week to ten days later.

> I am sorry, but 'no', I am not happy about it, but if I see my Senior
> Consul now Censor and Agorius cyberlinked, I am going to ask about
> it, in light of the law recently being defied for this boy's benefit.

> How are we supposed to grow when we allow people coming in here to
> berate our citizens, taking cheap shots at their religious beliefs.

> What's next, various races of people being tagged?

> Salve,
>
> I wish to extend my personal congratulations to both Decius Iunius
> Palladius Invictus and Gnaeus Salix Astur on their election as
> Praetors. To Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, I offer my sympathies. I

> how it is to lose an election.
>
> I'd like to publically thank my fellow rogators Renata Corva
> Cantrix, Aulus Hirtius Helveticus, and Gallio Velius Marsallas for
> being a wonderfully supportive group to work with. I'd like to

> a special thank you to Julilla Sempronia Magna for her efforts to
> ensure that we took office armed with the knowledge we needed so

> first election would run smoothly.
>
> Vale,
>
> Q. Cassius Calvus

> Salve,
>
> I wish to extend my personal congratulations to both Decius Iunius
> Palladius Invictus and Gnaeus Salix Astur on their election as
> Praetors. To Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, I offer my sympathies. I
> know how it is to lose an election.

> I'd like to publically thank my fellow rogators Renata Corva
> Cantrix, Aulus Hirtius Helveticus, and Gallio Velius Marsallas for
> being a wonderfully supportive group to work with. I'd like to
> offer a special thank you to Julilla Sempronia Magna for her
> efforts to ensure that we took office armed with the knowledge we
> needed so our first election would run smoothly.

> Publius Tarquinis Rufus;
>
> I don't mean to pop your bubble but this is about as real as it

>
>
> This is life in Nova Roma. <snip!>

> I suspect that it hasn't changed much in those respects from

>
> Salvete Cives!

>
> . Whether you voted for me
> or not, I am here to serve you and will do my best for you.

>
> Valete,
>
> Decius Iunius Palladius

>A question please: Do we vote for one candidate only, or this time we can

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, MarcusAudens@w... wrote:
> Senators Astur and Palladius;
>
> My congratulations on your victory at the polls. I wish you the
> very best in the coming year in your Magestries. Aspecail welcome
> to Senator Astur as he takes his place in the Senate. Welcome my
> friend and colleague!!!!

Thank you very much, sir, for the warm welcome.
It certainly is a pleasure to receive such greetings from so many
good people. I am very happy to be among you all :-).

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