> How does a Nova ROman learn how to be a priest/follower of the

> Salvete,
>
> I just want to thank Julilla Sempronia Magna for how-to article on

> Women's Costume which is in this month's Roman Times. I'll let you

>
> Julilla, next you need to write an article on how to make Roman

> And at
> least I'll have proper clothing rather than wearing belly-dancing
> type clothes and trying to make believe that it is Roman :-)
>

On Sat, Feb 01, 2003 at 08:23:08AM -0000, biojournalism <biojournalism@...> wrote:

Salve,

> What's a scarlet pimpernel by the way?

From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.44:

Pimpernel \Pim"per*nel\, n. [F. pimprenelle; cf. Sp. pimpinela,
It. pimpinella; perh. from LL. bipinnella, for bipinnula
two-winged, equiv. to L. bipennis; bis twice + penna feather,
wing. Cf. {Pen} a feather.] (Bot.)
A plant of the genus {Anagallis}, of which one species
({Anagallis arvensis}) has small flowers, usually scarlet,
but sometimes purple, blue, or white, which speedily close at
the approach of bad weather.
[1913 Webster]

The only trouble with looking up definitions in a dictionary is that
they're very much like Pringles: you can never stop at just one... :)


Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Tamdiu discendum est, quamdiu vivas.
We should learn as long as we may live.
-- Seneca Philosophus, "Epistulae"

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From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@...
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Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Quo Vadis? C. Minucius Scaevola


From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to C. Minucius Scaevola. Salve.

While I agree that G. B. Agricola is no Cato the Elder, his "and we need a
plan" is not without merit. He wants action and that shows his energy and
desire for progress. Like you, he is one of the most active citizens on the
main list and, also like you, no one agrees with him 100% of the time. I am
sure that this thread is already causing our magistrates to begin thinking
about making plans on how to respond. Indeed, this thread has already caused
at least five citizens I have never heard from to respond. Sometimes the
most beautiful pearl of wisdom began as the constant irritation of a single
ugly grain of truth.


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From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to G. B. Agricola. Salve.

Agricola, grab girl by hair. Hit with club. Drag back to cave. Eat raw
meat. Fire for sissies. I know, I know . . . Joke. Joke.




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From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to G. B. Agricola. Salve.

Agricola, grab girl by hair. Hit with club. Drag back to cave. Eat raw
meat. Fire for sissies. I know, I know . . . Joke. Joke.




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----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-Roma
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:11 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma interaction and the Macro-world a modest proposal


Salve Romans

I would like to make a modest proposal to increase our public interaction with the macro-world. As most, if not all of you are aware Nova Roma now has it's own book club. Most Citizens have their favorite books both fiction and no-fiction on Rome, so I propose that each of us ( if financially able) buy four of our favorite books on Rome, and donate them to a local school , college or public library. We can fill the NR treasury at the same time by buying them through Amazon .com on the main NR web site. If a good size number of citizens lives near each other this could add up to hundreds of books on Rome being placed in local libraries. A special Nova Roma book plate could be printed and place in each book prior to donation to the library. One person per province could keep track of who was buying which books to keep the duplication to a minimum. If only half the stated population bought books that would be 3200 books, no small number. We might even be able ! to expand this to include a "Roman night at the Library" book reading. So what do you think?


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen


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> How does a Nova ROman learn how to be a priest/follower of the

> >From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to C. Minucius Scaevola. Salve.

> While I agree that G. B. Agricola is no Cato the Elder, his "and we need a
> plan" is not without merit. He wants action and that shows his energy and
> desire for progress.

> Like you, he is one of the most active citizens on the
> main list and, also like you, no one agrees with him 100% of the time.

> I am
> sure that this thread is already causing our magistrates to begin thinking
> about making plans on how to respond. Indeed, this thread has already caused
> at least five citizens I have never heard from to respond. Sometimes the
> most beautiful pearl of wisdom began as the constant irritation of a single
> ugly grain of truth.

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> Salve Romans this is from one of the web site I subscribe too and
> thought you might like to read this one.
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> Vale Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
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>
>
>
> COLUMBIA
>
>
>
> Columbia gone - seven brave souls
>
> Who each took on incredible roles
>
> In the frontiers of space,
>
> With élan and with grace,
>
> Accepting risk in pursuit of our goals.
>
>
>
> Columbia gone - and now we mourn.
>
> It's a time when emotions are torn.
>
> As we grieve for the dead
>
> We must still look ahead -
>
> Honor them with a program reborn.
>
>
>
> Columbia gone, incredibly,
>
> We feel like they're our own family -
>
> Each a permanent part
>
> Of our collective heart.
>
> To those brave astronauts - RIP.
>
>
>
>
>
> Copyright, 2003
>
> KLDD Telecom
>
> (http://www.KLDD-Telecom.com)
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> Please, I keep on wondering why are we discussing this topic in this
> forum. Is it just because it happened in US?

----- Original Message -----
From: Diana Moravia Aventina
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 12:55 AM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Oath


Salve,

I see that you've taken the a oath of an elected magistrate (the same as the
Consules, Praetors, Tribunes, etc.) when the position of Legate is an
appointed one.

Just wondering: was that the correct oath? Don't appointees use the new one
that C Fabius Quintillianus presented to us in December?

Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: James LaSalle [mailto:jlasalle@...]
Verzonden: woensdag 5 februari 2003 5:41
Aan: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: [Nova-Roma] Oath


I , Gaius Basilicatus Agricola (James Louis La Salle)do hereby solemnly
swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Basilicatus Agricola (James Louis La
Salle)swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings,
and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.


I, Gaius Basilicatus Agricola (James Louis La Salle)swear to uphold and
defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never
to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.


I, Gaius Basilicatus Agricola (James Louis La Salle)swear to protect and
defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.


I, Gaius Basilicatus Agricola (James Louis La Salle)further swear to fulfill
the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Legate Major of Campus
Region of the AMS Province to the best of my abilities.


On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Legate Major of Campus Region of the AMS Province and all the
rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.


Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 12:55 AM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Oath


> Salve,
>
> I see that you've taken the a oath of an elected magistrate (the same as
the
> Consules, Praetors, Tribunes, etc.) when the position of Legate is an
> appointed one.
>
> Just wondering: was that the correct oath? Don't appointees use the new
one
> that C Fabius Quintillianus presented to us in December?
>
> Vale,
> Diana Moravia Aventina
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: James LaSalle [mailto:jlasalle@...]
> Verzonden: woensdag 5 februari 2003 5:41
> Aan: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Onderwerp: [Nova-Roma] Oath
>
>
> I , Gaius Basilicatus Agricola (James Louis La Salle)do hereby solemnly
> swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
> interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
>
> As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Basilicatus Agricola (James Louis
La
> Salle)swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings,
> and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
>
>
> I, Gaius Basilicatus Agricola (James Louis La Salle)swear to uphold and
> defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear
never
> to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.
>
>
> I, Gaius Basilicatus Agricola (James Louis La Salle)swear to protect and
> defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
>
>
> I, Gaius Basilicatus Agricola (James Louis La Salle)further swear to
fulfill
> the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Legate Major of
Campus
> Region of the AMS Province to the best of my abilities.
>
>
> On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
> Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
> position of Legate Major of Campus Region of the AMS Province and all the
> rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
>
>
> Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
> Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
> Legate Major for Regio Campus
> America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
>
>
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> Salve Romans
>
> I would like to make a modest proposal to increase our public

----- Original Message -----
From: "Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 12:55 AM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Oath


> Salve,
>
> I see that you've taken the a oath of an elected
magistrate (the same as
the
> Consules, Praetors, Tribunes, etc.) when the
position of Legate is an
> appointed one.
>
> Just wondering: was that the correct oath? Don't
appointees use the new
one
> that C Fabius Quintillianus presented to us in
December?
>
> Vale,
> Diana Moravia Aventina
>
> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: James LaSalle [mailto:jlasalle@...]
> Verzonden: woensdag 5 februari 2003 5:41
> Aan: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Onderwerp: [Nova-Roma] Oath
>
>
> I , Gaius Basilicatus Agricola (James Louis La
Salle)do hereby solemnly
> swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act
always in the best
> interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
>
> As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Basilicatus
Agricola (James Louis
La
> Salle)swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome
in my public dealings,
> and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and
private life.
>
>
> I, Gaius Basilicatus Agricola (James Louis La
Salle)swear to uphold and
> defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of
Nova Roma and swear
never
> to act in a way that would threaten its status as
the State Religion.
>
>
> I, Gaius Basilicatus Agricola (James Louis La
Salle)swear to protect and
> defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
>
>
> I, Gaius Basilicatus Agricola (James Louis La
Salle)further swear to
fulfill
> the obligations and responsibilities of the office
of Legate Major of
Campus
> Region of the AMS Province to the best of my
abilities.
>
>
> On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the
presence of the Gods and
> Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and
favor, do I accept the
> position of Legate Major of Campus Region of the AMS
Province and all the
> rights, privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.
>
>
> Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
> Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
> Legate Major for Regio Campus
> America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
>
>
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> Please, I keep on wondering why are we discussing this topic in this
> forum. Is it just because it happened in US?

> the United States is a nation whose history is filled with death and violence

> Actually, the idea of long-term leases for
>

>
> With the relative low costs of structures made of
> cob and strawbale, it would
> be possible to construct reasonable facsimiles of
> single story Italic-style
> homes, shops, temples, et cetera; without creating a
> hodgepodge of styles.
> Such structures can be build in many localities with
> the aid of an
> experimental building permit. Further, such
> structures are virtually fire
> proof, highly energy efficient, and can be
> constructed by almost anyone with
> a little training and some in-depth practice.
>
> F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus
>
>>

>
> --- PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:
> > Actually, the idea of long-term leases for
> >
> <snip>
> >
> > With the relative low costs of structures made of
> > cob and strawbale, it would
> > be possible to construct reasonable facsimiles of
> > single story Italic-style
> > homes, shops, temples, et cetera; without creating
> a
> > hodgepodge of styles.
> > Such structures can be build in many localities
> with
> > the aid of an
> > experimental building permit. Further, such
> > structures are virtually fire
> > proof, highly energy efficient, and can be
> > constructed by almost anyone with
> > a little training and some in-depth practice.
> >
> > F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus
> >
> >>
> Salve,
>
> Please see http://www.calearth.org/ ......
>
> Vale,
>
> Gn Marius Asia

>From earth and sun, from wind and rain,

>From stem and boll, we fibers gain,

>
>Consider the size of the rockets used to launch a shuttle into
>orbit. A plane would have to carry the weight of those rockets plus
>the shuttle. Considering that the temperatures involved in a rocket

>qualifies them to be magistrates. I'm hoping to prove that women in power
>here in NR are as aggressive as males. If we can prove this, those
>

>Salvete,
>
>My understanding is that legates should still take the
>original oath. Only scribes and accensi should take
>the new oath, if required to do so by their
>supervising magistrate.
>
>Valete
>
>Decimus Iunius Silanus.

> Salve Antonius Adrianus Urcitanus,
>
> > Please, I keep on wondering why are we discussing
> this topic in this
> > forum. Is it just because it happened in US?
> In a word: yes.
> Other countries don't have the high drama media &
> propoganda machine at work
> for them like the US does. These 7 deaths are indeed
> sad, but they've
> received about 50,000 times more media attention
> here in Europe than the
> 14000 people who died in Turkey in the earthquake of
> 1999.... And if I see
> one more grammatically incorrect, pseudo-sensitive,
> teary eyed speech from
> George W. Bush, I think I'll puke.(Hate mail can be
> sent direct to
> diana@........ )
>
> Vale!
> Diana Moravia
>
>

> -----Original Message-----
> By the way, are you aware that the conspiracy theories are flying
>already even worse than the usual kind because they're theories of
>failed conspiracy - trying to put the blame on Al-Quida
>unsuccessfully. Not much to worry about useless conspirators then!

> one more grammatically incorrect, pseudo-sensitive, teary eyed

> George W. Bush, I think I'll puke

----- Original Message -----
From: Decimus Iunius Silanus
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 1:20 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)

> the United States is a nation whose history is filled with death and violence

Show me a nation whose history doesn't contain death and violence. Compared to a vast majority of European nations, I think the US gets off pretty lightly.

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus.


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...>
To: "Nova-Roma" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)


> "Show me a nation whose history doesn't contain death and violence.
Compared to a vast majority of European nations, I think the US gets off
pretty lightly."
>
> Well said
>
> Tiberius
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Decimus Iunius Silanus
> Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 1:20 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)
>
> > the United States is a nation whose history is filled with death and
violence
>
> Show me a nation whose history doesn't contain death and violence.
Compared to a vast majority of European nations, I think the US gets off
pretty lightly.
>
> Vale
>
> Decimus Iunius Silanus.
>
>
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>From: Pipar - Steven <catamount_grange@...>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Forum Nova Roma <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] 2 poems, was A quest . for Venator
>Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 15:33:23 -0600
>
>Salve Valeria Constantina,
>
>I was greatly saddened to read your news of the trees being sacrificed to
>expand the airport.
>
>While not specifically about trees, this is a poem I wrote for a ritual
>Honoring Holy Mother Earth
>(Nerthus). The first stanza is repeated as the Chorus of the song.
>
>Green Folk Speak
>
>Mother Nerthus send us life;
>In growing things upon Midgard;
>Fruitful Bounty of Your Kindness;
>Which we must earn, though Gift of Work
>
>Listen closely and hear the sounds,
>Of root and branch, of stem and leaf,
>The small, still voice of all plant life,
>Surrounding us, bespeaking us
>- Chorus -
>
> >From earth and sun, from wind and rain,
>With helping hand and on their own
>Plants grow from seed, make wide world bloom,
>Produce their fruits, become our Weal
>- Burden -
>
>In kitchen plot, in vasty fields,
>We sow and reap, we till and wet,
>We scrape and scratch, we dig and hoe,
>Our labors hard, our rewards good
>- Chorus -
>
>In beauty's form, they please the eye,
>And odors sweet, do tickle nose,
>In blossoms bright, do honeybees,
>Find the stuff which, may become mead
>- Chorus -
>
>In plainer form, there is good use,
>Not only food, but healing, too,
>In fruit and nut, in pulp and seed,
>In stem and leaf, in rind and root
>- Chorus -
>
> >From stem and boll, we fibers gain,
>To spin out yarns for weaving cloth
>To form the threads which become rope,
>To cover us and bind things tight
>- Chorus -
>
>Without plant life, we would be not,
>They are the stuff, of all being,
>Sustaining us, sustaining world,
>So hear them well, give rightful thanks
>- Chorus -
>
>Listen closely and hear the sounds,
>Of root and branch, of stem and leaf,
>The small, still voice of all plant life,
>Surrounding us, bespeaking us
>- Chorus -
>- Chorus -
>
>This next poem I wrote about a day out in the woods last hunting season.
>
>A Morning's View - To The Honored Prey
>
>Acorns and Death, wait in the woods
>Amongst the trees, old dance goes on
>Hunter seeks prey, larder to fill
>Deer seeks only, fodder to chew
>
>Birds flutter past, singing their songs
>Chirping, calling, tumble through air
>Scratching the dirt, peck seeds and bugs
>Living their lives, hunter means naught
>
>Black water mere, ruffled by breeze
>Leaf and twig dance, tossing, turning
>Hunter's thoughts flow, hoping to see
>Branch antlered stag, death-thorn to cast
>
>Sunna shines bright, o'ertopping trees
>Swamp meadow grass, golden and tall
>Hiding the byre, of prey he seeks
>Luck of the Hunt, wily and Wyrd
>
>Small muddy brook, flows from the pond
>Seeking to join, swift creek close by
>Water birds bright, float on the top
>Chuckling, calling, Life of the Land
>
>Kestrel flies by, seeking its prey
>Field mouse or vole, hidden in weeds
>Lights on a branch, observes domain
>Swoops down right quick, strikes and makes kill
>
>Rustle of leaves, hunter peers round
>Glint of ivory, within the shade
>Crackling hoof steps, one, two, three, four
>Big buck ambles, without concern
>
>Deer treads slowly, straight at the man
>Brown eyes gleaming, nose in the wind
>But Luck is good, on hunter's side
>Death-fang is cast, pierces stag-heart
>
>Uller's Ur-beast, stumbles, then runs
>Out of the woods, onto crop-field
>Pauses to look, then slowly sinks
>Into the verge, his final bed
>
>Hunter watches, respectfully
>Waits a little, then slowly goes
>To the Buck's side, sees it is dead
>Pulls out a flask, pours mead in thanks
>
>Life comes from Life, Earth's eldest Law
>Whether by Tooth, Talon or Hand
>Always is Prey, and the Preyer
>Cycle of All, Within, Without
>
>Acorns and Death, wait in the woods
>Amongst the trees, old dance goes on
>Hunter seeks prey, larder to fill
>Deer seeks only, fodder to chew
>
>I am in process of writing a poem specifically about my feelings for the
>woodlands themselves, apart
>from hunting forays (which are of great sacredness to me).
>
>I hope my words bring you some comfort.
>
>In amicus sub fidelis - Venator
>

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> > one more grammatically incorrect, pseudo-sensitive, teary
> eyed
>
> speech from
>
> > George W. Bush, I think I'll puke
>
>
>
> Personally I prefer a grammatically incorrect George W. Bush
> speech
>
> compared to an over rehearsed Clintonian tell them what they want
> to
>
> hear speech. He's not being pseudo-sensitive, he's teary-eyed
>
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> bearer
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> of bad news in a time of tragedy as well as keep the flames of
> hope
>
> for a better tommorow and the quest for knowledge alive. He's
> doing
>
> far better than I, for I'd likely be a blubbering idiot on
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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)


> "Show me a nation whose history doesn't contain death and violence.
Compared to a vast majority of European nations, I think the US gets off
pretty lightly."
>
> Well said
>
> Tiberius
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Decimus Iunius Silanus
> Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 1:20 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)
>
> > the United States is a nation whose history is filled with death and
violence
>
> Show me a nation whose history doesn't contain death and violence.
Compared to a vast majority of European nations, I think the US gets off
pretty lightly.
>
> Vale
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> Decimus Iunius Silanus.
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> Octavia Fabia Scriba--What is the name of this YahooGroup that you
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> Ave Aurelius!
>
> I completely agree with you. Can we not all simply be Romans? I
> for one would prefer to immerse myself in Roman culture than argue
> about about inter-continental opinions! I thought we were one and
> the same?? I reside in America Austroccidentalis but am tired of
> the sensationalism of the media here. I wholeheartedly agree with
> Diana Moravia Aventina! I would like to meet other Romans who are
> interested in the promotion of the Latin language and Roman
> culture! Is that not why we are here?? My Materfamilias Iulia
> Vopisca whom I admire, is an active part of Roman religion! I know
> this is not everone's forté, but it is another aspect of the
> richness of Roman culture! Why not spend time discussing all
> realms of Roman life? I realize we are part of a modern world and
> must accept and dictate our fate within it, but what about the
> essential values of being Roman? I want to learn as much as I can.
> All of you have something spectacular to contribute! Of this I am
> quite certain!
>
> Pues, para todos que hablan castellano o catalan, os deseo buena
> suerte y espero leer alguna cosa de vosotros! QUE VIVA ROMA ETERNA!
>
> Doncs, per a tots que parlen castellà o català, us desitjo bona
> sort i espero llegir alguna cosa de vosaltres! QUE VISCA ROMA ETERNA!
>
> Sextus Iulius Serranus
>
> "M. Flavius Aurelius" <marcus.flavius@...>
> wrote:This obsession that some New Romans have with turning the
> major forum into a
>
> US-European slagging fest bores those of us in the other regions......
>
>
>
> M. Flavius Aurelius
>
> Australia
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> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...>
>
> To: "Nova-Roma" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
>
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:36 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)
>
>
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>
>
> > "Show me a nation whose history doesn't contain death
> and violence.
>
> Compared to a vast majority of European nations, I think the US
> gets off
>
> pretty lightly."
>
> >
>
> > Well said
>
> >
>
> > Tiberius
>
> >
>
> >
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> >
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> > ----- Original Message -----
>
> > From: Decimus Iunius Silanus
>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 1:20 PM
>
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
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> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)
>
> >
>
> > > the United States is a nation whose history is filled
> with death and
>
> violence
>
> >
>
> > Show me a nation whose history doesn't contain death and
> violence.
> Compared to a vast majority of European nations, I think the US
> gets off
>
> pretty lightly.
>
> >
>
> > Vale
>
> >
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> > Decimus Iunius Silanus.
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> Do you really believe that G.W Bush´s tears were authentic? In this
> case, I start to understand some misteries about people voting Bush!
>
> antonius adrianus urcitanus

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> Ave Aurelius!
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> I completely agree with you. Can we not all simply be Romans? I
> for one would prefer to immerse myself in Roman culture than argue
> about about inter-continental opinions! I thought we were one and
> the same?? I reside in America Austroccidentalis but am tired of
> the sensationalism of the media here. I wholeheartedly agree with
> Diana Moravia Aventina! I would like to meet other Romans who are
> interested in the promotion of the Latin language and Roman
> culture! Is that not why we are here?? My Materfamilias Iulia
> Vopisca whom I admire, is an active part of Roman religion! I know
> this is not everone's forté, but it is another aspect of the
> richness of Roman culture! Why not spend time discussing all
> realms of Roman life? I realize we are part of a modern world and
> must accept and dictate our fate within it, but what about the
> essential values of being Roman? I want to learn as much as I can.
> All of you have something spectacular to contribute! Of this I am
> quite certain!
>
> Pues, para todos que hablan castellano o catalan, os deseo buena
> suerte y espero leer alguna cosa de vosotros! QUE VIVA ROMA ETERNA!
>
> Doncs, per a tots que parlen castellà o català, us desitjo bona
> sort i espero llegir alguna cosa de vosaltres! QUE VISCA ROMA ETERNA!
>
> Sextus Iulius Serranus
>
> "M. Flavius Aurelius" <marcus.flavius@...>
> wrote:This obsession that some New Romans have with turning the
> major forum into a
>
> US-European slagging fest bores those of us in the other regions......
>
>
>
> M. Flavius Aurelius
>
> Australia
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...>
>
> To: "Nova-Roma" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
>
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 3:36 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Show me a nation whose history doesn't contain death
> and violence.
>
> Compared to a vast majority of European nations, I think the US
> gets off
>
> pretty lightly."
>
> >
>
> > Well said
>
> >
>
> > Tiberius
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
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> > ----- Original Message -----
>
> > From: Decimus Iunius Silanus
>
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 1:20 PM
>
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)
>
> >
>
> > > the United States is a nation whose history is filled
> with death and
>
> violence
>
> >
>
> > Show me a nation whose history doesn't contain death and
> violence.
> Compared to a vast majority of European nations, I think the US
> gets off
>
> pretty lightly.
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> > Vale
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On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 01:24:52PM -0500, Marcus Minucus Audens/Jim Mathews wrote:

Ave, Marcus Minucus Audens -

> Perhaps I am being too harsh a judge in this matter, but when I see the
> talent of a poet, or story teller lie before the Main List unremarlable
> in it's ability to generate comment or argument, but see a blizzard of
> modern macroword comment, argument, and debate regarding something as
> mundane as the presentation attributes of a world leader, or the
> oft-repeated opinions and comments of those relating thier ideas
> regarding modern-day off-topic subjects, I am supported in my own
> conclusions, as radical as they may seem.

There are also a few other factors involved, ones that perhaps some
people fail to consider or don't care to acknowledge. For one thing,
it's simply not possible to be as involved in ancient history as in a
hammer that's been dropped on your foot. Incidentally, I find the
attitude of "it's not my foot, what's the big deal?" crass, swinish, and
insensitive; were, say, the Louvre or the /Museo del Prado/ to be
destroyed by an explosion, I imagine that many of the citizens of
NovaRoma would be stricken with shock and grief - as I would be. Those
things take time to pass; quietly accepting the expressions of this by
the people closest to the disaster is usually considered a basic
courtesy, an act of a decent person.

For another thing, American-baiting seems to be a regular practice on
this list. I would suggest that the people concerned with the topic of
what drives away possible new citizens consider this point carefully;
few people enjoy an environment where they are a target by default.

The last point - actually, the reason I responded to this post - is in
regard to the appreciation of a poet or a story teller. I agree with
this, strongly... but here's a point to consider: most people don't know
how to respond to powerful art, or beauty that evokes strong reactions.
A poem I saw just recently says it well:

'Music'

My friend went to the piano; spun the stool
A little higher; left his pipe to cool;
Picked up a fat green volume from the chest;
And propped it open.
Whitely without rest,
His fingers swept the keys that flashed like swords,
...And to the brute drums of barbarian hordes,
Roaring and thunderous and weapon-bare,
An army stormed the bastions of the air!
Dreadful with banners, fire to slay and parch,
Marching together as the lightnings march,
And swift as storm-clouds. Brazen helms and cars
Clanged to a fierce resurgence of old wars
Above the screaming horns. In state they passed,
Trampling and splendid on and sought the vast
Rending the darkness like a leaping knife,
The flame, the noble pageant of our life!
The burning seal that stamps man's high indenture
To vain attempt and most forlorn adventure;
Romance, and purple seas, and toppling towns,
And the wind's valiance crying o'er the downs;
That nerves the silly hand, the feeble brain,
From the loose net of words to deeds again
And to all courage! Perilous and sharp
The last chord shook me as wind shakes a harp!
...And my friend swung round on his stool, and from gods we were men,
"How pretty!" we said; and went on with our talk again.

-- Stephen Vincent Benet


"How pretty", indeed. It may be that you need to be a poet, or a
storyteller, or a brilliant musician to properly acknowledge that sort
of talent. Given all those times when I have found myself too stunned,
too affected by beautiful art to acknowledge the painter, the poet, the
storyteller, I admit to being guilty of the above, in deed if most
certainly not in desire.


Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Caelum, non animum mutant, qui trans mare currunt.
The sky, and not his soul, changes the one who runs across the sea.
-- Horace, "Epistulae"

----- Original Message -----
From: <richmal@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 8:29 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] The Roman Forum then and now


> Salve,
>
> Having read some not totally unjustified comments about macro-world
> issues being discussed within the main Nova Roma forum, I wondered to
> myself what did the ancients talk about when they met in the public
> forum? I suspect that their conversations centered around the issues
> that effected their lives and interests. In my moment of fanciful
> imagination I pictured people discussing whether the price of grain
> was going to rise, the rhetorical ability (or lack there of) of
> various political figures, taxes, various military threats be they
> Carthage, the dreaded Germans, the loyalty or suspected disloyalties
> of those that were deemed Friend and Ally, a snatch or two from some
> discussing the celebrities of their day (aka gladiators).
>
> Is our Nova Roman forum so really different than theirs?
>
> Vale,
>
> Q. Cassius Calvus
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> And funnily enough, what the ancients discussed was Roman, not

> Because they knew where they lived.