Salvete Omnes:

Do you need a list of films or videos as a teaching tool on ancient
Rome or Greece? Many of these films or videos may be rented or
loaned in inter-library loans. Ask at your nearest university
library or public library.

The study of Classics of Rome and Greece is growing and is back in
fashion again at some colleges and universities. This is due in part
to new technology in archaeology such as archaeogenetics and other
archeology and classics interdisciplinary studies. Various
interdisciplinary programs such as art history, archaeology,
classics, and comparative literature are combining interest and
specialties to bring back the study of classics--the literature,
art, and culture of ancient Rome, Greece, Egypt, Celtic Rome, and
related areas.

These films are at the office of media and technology at
The University of Charleston at:
http://www.cofc.edu/languages/lang.html

Roman Literature: Drama
• A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum. 1966 (100
min.). Zero Mostel, Phil Silvers, Jack Gilford, Buster Keaton. Score
by Ken Thorne. #2694.
• Aristophanes. Women in Power. Plautus. The Braggart Warrior.
c. 1988 (58 min.) #2445.
• Roman Civilization and History
• I, Claudius. c. 1991. Parts 1-13 (60 min. ea.). #2612.
• The Roman Arena. c. 1993 (50 min.) #2318.
• The Western Tradition. Tapes 5-7 (= Parts 9-14). (30 min.
ea.) #1728.
The Rise of Rome, The Roman Empire, Early Christianity, The Rise of
the Church, The Decline of Rome, The Fall of Rome
• Art of the Western World Series. Tape 1, Part 2. c. 1989 (30
min. ea.) #1707.
The Classical Ideal: Rome.
• The Great Minds of the Western Intellectual Tradition
Series. Part 1, Lessons 10-11. Part 2, Lesson 1. #2034.
Paul and the New Testament, Marcus Aurelius' Meditations,
Augustine's City of God.
• Trajan's Column. c. 1989 (50 min.) #1756.

Roman Civilization and History: Cinema
• Ben-Hur. A Tale of the Christ. 1926 (148 min., silent).
Ramon Navarro. #2690.
• Ben-Hur. 1959 (212 min.). Charlton Heston, Hugh Griffith,
Dir. William Wyler. #2689.
• Caesar and Cleopatra. c. 1946 (129 min.). Based on the play
by George Bernard Shaw. #2791.
• Cleopatra. 1963 (246 min.). Elizabeth Taylor, Rex Harrison,
Richard Burton, Roddy McDowall, Martin Landau, Corroll O'Connor.
Dir. Joseph L. Mankiewicz. #2697.
• The Life of Brian. 1979 (94 min.). Monty Python. #2028.

Roman Civilization and History: Shakespeare
• Antony and Cleopatra. c. 1972 (160 min.). Charlton Heston,
Hildegard Neil. #1799.
• Julius Caesar. c. 1970 (116 min.). John Gielgud, Charlton
Heston, Jason Robards. #1291.
• Titus Andronicus. c. 1984 (120 min.). Eileen Atkins, Tervor
Peacock. BBC Production. #2089.
• Coriolanus. (145 min.). #2328.

Ancient Manuscripts
• Scribes, Scholars, and Saints. Pt. 1-3. 1993 (26 min. each).
#2509.
Pt. 1. The Art of Celtic Manuscripts.
Pt. 2. The Art of Celtic Manuscripts. The Book of Durrow.
Pt. 3. The Art of Celtic Manuscripts. The Book of Kells.
• The Lindisfarne Gospels. A Masterpiece of Anglo-Saxon Book
Painting. 1995 (35 min.) #2569.
Ancient Greek Literature: Epic
• Akropolis. 1988 (60 min.). Synthesis of Homer and the Bible
in a contemporary setting. #2844. (originally in Polish)
• Homer. The Iliad (Classics on cassette). Narr. Derek Jacobi,
Maria Tucci. Tr. R. Fagels. #914. (Some tapes missing/damaged as of
6/97.)

Ancient Greek Literature: Drama
• Sophocles. Oedipus the King. c. 1975 (45 min., in an ancient
theatre, with masks). #1023.
• Sophocles. Oedipus Rex (= Edipo Re). c. 1990 (110 min., in
Italian, with English subtitles) Dir. Pasolini. #2651.
• Sophocles. Antigone. c. 1988. (88 min., in Greek, with
English subtitles). #2476.
• Sophocles. Antigone. Rights of Passion. 1990 (85 min.).
#2833.
• Sophocles. Electra. c. 1987 (101 min.). #1752.
• Euripides. Medea. (100 min., in ancient Greek with English
subtitles). #1326.
• Euripides. Iphigenia. c. 1977 (127 min.). Dir. M.
Cacoyannis. #1299.
• Greek Fire Series. Part 5. Tragedy. (26 min.) #2165.
• Aristophanes. Women in Power. Plautus. The Braggart Warrior.
c. 1988 (58 min.) #2445.

Ancient Greek Myth and Religion
• Greek Fire Series. Part 2. Myth. (26 min.) #2165.
• Mythos: The Shaping of Our Western Tradition. Psyche and
Symbol. 1996 (55 min.) #0000 (we have only Part I, of five parts).
• Also see Greek Literature: Epic, Drama
• Also see Greek Culture and History (e.g. The Greek Temple)

Ancient Greek Myth: Modern Adaptations
• Black Orpheus. c. 1959 (103 min., in Portuguese, with
English subtitles) #1627.
• Desire under the Elms. c. 1958 (114 min.) #1433.
• Jean Cocteau's Orpheus. c. 1949 (86 min., French with
English subtitles). Jean Marais, dir. Jean Cocteau.
• Phedre. c. 1985 (90 min., in French, with English
subtitles.) #1635. (recording of very poor quality)

Ancient Greek Culture and History: Cinema
• The Name of the Rose. c. 1986 (128 min.) #1454.

Ancient Greek Culture and History
• Minoan Civilization. c. 1993 (60 min.) #2624.
• Crete and Mycenae. c. 1986 (54 min.) #1240.
• The Greek Temple. c. 1982 (54 min.) #1239.
• The Ancient Olympics: Athletes, Games, & Heroes. c. 1996 (55
min.) #2880.
• Greek Fire Series. 10 Parts (26 min. each) #2165.
Source, Myth, Politics, Sex, Tragedy, Architecture, Science, Art,
Ideas, War.
• The Trial of Socrates. Man adn the State. c. 1982 (29 min.)
#2741. (we have only part VI)
• The Western Tradition. Tapes 3-4 and 8 (=Parts 5-8 and 15-
16). #1728.
The Rise of Greek Civilization, Greek Thought, Alexander the Great,
The Hellenistic Age, The Byzantine Empire, The Fall of Byzantium.
• Art of the Western World Series. Tape 1, Part 1. c. 1989 (30
min.) #1707.
The Classical Ideal: Greece.
• The Great Minds of the Western Intellectual Tradition
Series. Part 1, Lessons 1-7, 10-11. Part 2, Lesson 1. #2034.
Introduction to Philosophy, Presocratics, Plato's Republic, Plato's
Symposium, Aristotle's Metaphysics, Aristotle's Politics, Paul and
the New Testament, Marcus Aurelius' Meditations, Augustine's City of
God.
• The Day the Universe Changed. Part 1. It Started with the
Greeks. c. 1986 (26 min.) #2623.

Octavia Fabia Scriba
http://reminisicencemedia.tripod.com
or
http://dnanovels.tripod.com/novels.html/

Nova Britannia's own Roman event has been confirmed for this year! The
dates are Sept. 13 and 14, and we have a much larger space, more
vendors, and maybe even a chariot! I'll update the
www.romanmarketday.com Web site with the new information within the
next few days, but I wanted to make sure the word got out so everyone
could save the dates. We'll still be in southern Maine, about 40
minutes from the New Hampshire border.

If you'd like to vend at the event, get in touch with Laurentius
Cassius and Varia Cassia (Lawrence and Julie Brooks) at
lbrroks@... -- they're the vendor coordinators. Last year's
event drew a crowd of more than 550, and we hope to do as well or
better this year.

We're also very interested in inviting military and civilian
re-enactors to join us and help make Rome come to life. If you can come
in costume, great! And if you can't, but would like to volunteer, we'd
also love to hear from you. Especially, we need Nova Romans to staff
the Nova Roma table, sell T-shirts and so forth, and talk about the
organization with interested visitors. Volunteers get free admission
and the undying gratitude of the Cassii. Let me know if you can make it!

-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@...

The ritual of the public Roman bath consisted of the
1. Frigidarium...The cold tub
2. Tepidarim...The lukewarm tub
3. Caldarium....The hot tub symphony.

The ritual began with olive oil instead of soap and scrapers instead
of a wash cloth. The bather first had to soak in the cold tub, then
go on to the tepid water bath and finally to the caldarium, the hot
tub. Scrapers included wooden sythes and other curved ivory
scrapers, even pumice and volcanic ash stone.
Since soap was invented by the Phoenicians, chamomile flowers and
leaves were used for the hair. The final pool was open to the sky
and called the natatio.

Then the bather had to wash in the small plunge baths. After the
bath, separate areas for men and women, there was a choice between
gymnastics or the library and garden. The public bathhouse was
large, the size of a large urban railway station. Penn Station in NY
(now torn down) was built to imitate the Baths of Caracalla in Rome.
The public baths were built on a scale of 1,076 x 1,315 feet.
Some private villas had 56 rooms and ran 56,000 square feet of house
with indoor and outdoor pools. After gymnastics the ritual started
all over again. Think about the grand scale some villas were built
on in ancient Rome.

Octavia

Salvete,

Several years ago when I lived in San Diego, the Bedouin Bazaar was
run by two women who arranged it this way, and Nova Roma could raise
money doing something similar.

First, they rented the auditorium of the Shriner's grand temple that
has these huge Egyptian statues out front so it looks like an
ancient temple in Egypt or Rome. Some similar place where you are
could be rented likewise.

Second, they sold booths to dozens of vendors who sold imported
jewelry, ancient Roman costumes, bellydance costumes, Egyptian
imported caftans, jewelry, incense, and the like. Same could be done
with a Roman theme, especially with the costumes, even ancient Roman
wedding gowns. The vendors sold mostly imports, scarves, costumes,
dancers costumes, CDs, tapes, and other things from food in the
ancient Roman style, mostly vegetarian, the fruit juices.

Third, the musicians, There was a Greek band. (You could offer
ancient Roman music).

Fourth, there was a bellydance contest that lasted on Sat and Sun
from 10 am to 7pm without a break, one dancer after the other all
day, with their own taped music and a live band in the last hour or
two. A dance contest. A music contest.

You could have a type of toga party with similar ancient
Mediterranean entertainment and food from the vendors. The family
atmosphere was wonderful. The place was packed with moms and kids
and dancers and musicians, vendors, and people buying the Med. food.

A lot of CDs, videos, and tapes sold, costumes, jewelry, etc. The
charge was $10 a person. So you could have an ancient Roman day
instead of this ancient Egyptian bellydance pageant. A similar thing
is done here in N. Calif. with the Renaissance faire with medieval
costuming, vendors, and music/performers.

So, to raise funds, why not have an ancient Roman bazaar? Just a
thought.

Vale,
Octavia

I got the janruary issue. You do an AWSOME job! What was the footnote on my
poem?
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From: Stephen Gallagher [mailto:spqr753@...]
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 7:47 PM
To: Nova-Roma; Novaromaeagle; aurelia iulia pulchra
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The Appointment of Scriba Curatoris Differum
E Domo Curatoris Differum Aurelia Iulia Pulchra
is hereby appointed Scriba Curatoris Differum effective Today the
7th of Februarius MMDCCLVI auc 7 February 2003.
In the consulship of Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
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Did you hear what Mandela said about the US to NOW?
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From: Stephen Gallagher [mailto:spqr753@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 10:37 PM
To: Nova-Roma
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)


"Show me a nation whose history doesn't contain death and violence.
Compared to a vast majority of European nations, I think the US gets off
pretty lightly."

Well said

Tiberius

----- Original Message -----
From: Decimus Iunius Silanus
Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 1:20 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)

> the United States is a nation whose history is filled with death and
violence

Show me a nation whose history doesn't contain death and violence.
Compared to a vast majority of European nations, I think the US gets off
pretty lightly.

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus.


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Sp. Postumius Tubertus writes:

[...]

> I've decided to write a researched essay about the various political
> offices of the Roman Republic [...]

> [...] Does anyone
> have any thoughts on which primary and/or secondary resources would
> be good for this?

Livy explains the magesterial offices in considerable detail.
You can find much of his work online at http://classics.mit.edu

I've also found Jo-Ann Shelton's book _As The Romans Did_
published by Oxford Press to be quite useful in understanding
Roman social history. It includes extensive footnotes which
reference the various primary sources.

-- Marinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "biojournalism
<biojournalism@h...>" <biojournalism@h...> wrote:

> Salvete Omnes:
>
> I'm wondering whether the town of Bessarabia in Moldova was ever
> under Rome in ancient times, and if so, what was it called? I'm
> researching this area for my novel that takes place in ancient

Rome.

Salve,

I'm not exactly sure where the town of Bessarabia is located in
Moldovia. Searching on the term Bessarabia lends me to believe that
Bessarabia is not a town but a geographic region that encompasses
modern Moldavia and Ukraine. A complete side note, but if I remember
correctly in the play "Fiddler On The Roof", the village of Anatevka
was in this area of the Ukraine.

The answer to your question is maybe. Areas of the geographic region
of Bessarabia were under Roman rule (called Dacia) from 106-270 CE.
If your town of Bessarabia was in the province of Dacia and the novel
set in that time frame, you could probably say that is was under
Roman rule.

Good luck on your novel.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Franciscus Apulus Caesar"
<sacro_barese_impero@l...> wrote:

> Fr. Apulus Caesar Q. Cassio Calvo et Guests in Italy S.P.D.
>
> What a tragical suggestions!
> How many far you're went in Italy? Several things are changed and

you

> describe Rome like a "impossible" city. Maybe youy have to see

cities like

> Athen or the spanish. :-)
> Of course we live in a different way from the american or the north-

european

> style. We're more chaotic and we have personal easy and

wonderfulidea of the

> daily life ;-)
> Please, take my little corrections.

Salve,

I apologize if it seems if I was given your wonderful city a bad
reputation. Those "rules" tend to be common sense in any urban
setting be it Rome, Tokyo, or New York. I've never had the
opportunity to go to Athens. Besides Rome and Naples, I've been to
Barcelona, Marsailles, Venice, Trieste, Algers, Tunis, Haifi,
Jerusalem, Lisbon, Cannes, London, Amsterdam, Den Helder, Izmir, and
a few other places. Someday I hope to be able to make it to Germany,
Ireland, and Iceland. However global travels aren't in my budget for
the forseeable future.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

Sp. Postumius Cn. Equitio Marino Aedili Curuli S.P.D.

Salve,

Thank you for the resources. I'll certainly be using Livy and Cicero, as well as some Greek authors such as Plutarch and Polybius.
Also, I anticipate using _Smith's Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities_ if I can come up with the funds to buy a printed
version (I'm trying to keep away from Internet materials). I'll certainly look into your literary suggestion as well, and anything
else the people have to contribute.

Vale,

Sp. Postumius L.f. A.n. Tubertus

Retiarius, Scriba, Citizen, Accensus

To all Nova Roman citizens living in Idaho, Oregon, Washington and
Alaska, which together comprise Provincia America Boreoccidentalis,
salvete!

I'd like to follow the lead of my fellow new governor and invite all
cives living in the US northwest to subscribe to the provincial
mailing list at

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AmBor_Waves/

If you are not already a member of the America Boreoccidentalis
mailing list, please do join, either by sending an e-mail
to AmBor_Waves-subscribe@yahoogroups.com or by going
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AmBor_Waves/ and press the big
blue "join this group" button.

Once you're a member, you can set your preferences for receiving e-
mail (either individual e-mails sent to your box, a daily digest or
do as I do and read everything on-line).

We have grown to 54 cives these past two years, but only 12
individuals subscribe to our local list, and two of those twelve live
abroad!

We have some wonderful new opportunities to meet and plan some live
events here in the northwest, but we need to work on these exciting
events together.

Carpe diem! Reach out and connect or reconnect with your friendly
neighbourhood Romans today!

---
ex officio
Julilla Sempronia Magna
Provincial Praetrix,
America Boreoccidentalis
http://ambor.novaroma.org

Salve

Try Scipio Africanus: Greater than Napoleon by B.H. Liddell Hart De Capo Press, Inc
c 1994

Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: biojournalism
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 8:19 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] George Washington was a fan of Ancient Roman Drama


Salvete Omnes,

Anyone have the name of a book in English on the Third Punic War? Or
the life of Cato the Edler? I'm writing a scene set in Numidia
between Cato the Elder and Scipio Africanus with the King of
Numidia, Masinissa, in the scene for the serialized novel that will
be appearing monthly in Nova Roman Times magazine. I wanted to put
in some accurate military terms of what it was like for Romans
battling in Numidia/Carthage just before 150 BCE during the 3rd
Punic War. Also at the same time I believe a slave uprising took
place in Setia, near Rome, involving Carthaginian POWs and their own
slaves who banded together and wreaked havoc on the countryside
between Setia and Rome. Anyone who's a historian know of anything in
English I can read to check the facts as far as accurate history?
Thanks.

Also:

Here's a great Roman play for anyone to perform for Internet
broadcast audio theatre at:
http://www.geocities.com/stoicvoice/journal/0101/ja0101d0.htm

According to the Web site:
"George Washington was so taken with the character of Cato the
younger in Joseph Addison's 1713 play Cato that he made the Roman
republican his role model. He went to see Cato numerous times from
early manhood into maturity and even had it performed for his troops
at Valley Forge despite a congressional resolution that plays were
inimical to republican virtue. Washington included lines from the
play in his private correspondence and even in his farewell
address." (Thoughts of a Philosophical Fighter Pilot, Hoover Press,
1995, p.75.)

Now, it the series of short stories I'm writing for Nova Roma Times
and also which will be a novel, I don't focus on the younger Cato as
in the play. My emphasis is on Cato, the Elder. This character had
an attitude from pinching sesterces to expelling senators for
holding their wife's hand in public and so on. But if anyone is
interested in teaching how George Washington was a great fan of
ancient Roman drama, here's one key....George Washington made the
Roman Republic is role model. A writer of his times, Joseph Addison,
wrote a play in 1713 that Washington liked so much, he put lines
from the play about Cato's life into his farewell address.

Suddenly, I realized when I was writing this new novel based on the
older Cato, that most US and European college campuses are laid out
according to the directions on how to plan a Roman military
campsite, all square angles and vertical lines, no curves or mazes.
Take a look around your local railroad stations. They are designed,
particularly the defunct Pennsylvania railroad station in NY, like
the Baths of Caracalla in Rome....And university campuses are laid
out like a Roman military camp. Fascinating.

Vale,
Octavia Fabia Scriba


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On Sat, Feb 08, 2003 at 04:49:43PM -0000, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@...> wrote:

> Caius Minucius Scaevola writes:
>
> > Congratulations, Marinus amice! I'm delighted to see your abilities
> > and your service to Nova Roma recognized in this way, and wish you
> > the best of luck in this office.
>
> You're most kindly welcome. As I mentioned over in the mediatlantica
> mailing list, no governor governs alone. I'll be looking to you and
> many others for help in getting things done.

And you're welcome to the help I can provide. In the past couple of
days, I've been testing a new wireless connection; it's slow (around
15-20kb/s) but much faster and more reliable than what I've had. Things
are looking up!

> How're things down there in the balmy reaches of Florida? And
> when do you think you'll be sailing back this way?

Well, they're only balmy occasionally: we had 75-degree weather a few
days ago, and low 60s since then. Spring is still a week or two away. :)
As for sailing to the Frozen North, I'm looking at taking off in early
to mid-April, depending on the weather.


Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Dubitando ad veritatem venimus.
We arrive at the truth being sceptical.
-- Pierre AbИlard, "Sic et non?"

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<curatrix@v...>" <curatrix@v...> wrote:

> If you are not already a member of the America Boreoccidentalis
> mailing list, please do join, either by sending an e-mail
> to AmBor_Waves-subscribe@yahoogroups.com or by going
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AmBor_Waves/ and press the big
> blue "join this group" button.<snip>

As an addendum to Praetor Julilla Sempronia Magna's request for
activity, i'd like to add that whether you are already a member or new
to the list, an introduction to the listmembers is a great way to
break ice and get the activity going.

It's been quiet lately and there are new faces around who may not know
you (including myself).

Stop in and say Ave!

C. Cornelius Varus

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Salve Gnae Equiti, Propraetor,

>I think we need to have a standard "package" of information that
>each new governor gets from the Senate upon appointment, including
>useful little tidbits like this knowledge. Those who come after
>me may not have the benefit of an eagle-eyed Quintilianus to help
>them.

I have worked on a 'Governors Handbook' with Caius Flavius Diocletianus - a document that does just as you describe. At the moment he has a draft copy that he is checking over but it should be ready for publication soon.

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus.


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Salve

>Anyone have the name of a book in English on the Third Punic War?

Try 'The Punic Wars' by Brian Caven. ISBN 0-88029-892-8

Hope this helps.

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus.


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I, Aelius Solaris Marullinus do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of Franciscus Apulus Caesar while I hold this office,
except when
such action would be illegal or unconstitutional.

I, Aelius Solaris Marullinus, further swear to fulfill the
obligations and
Responsibilities of the office of Scriba Propraetoris Curator
Araneum to the best of my Abilities while following the Roman virtues
and ideals.

I, Aelius Solaris Marullinus, swear to give faithful service to my
magistrate, and not to divulge any information discussed in
confidence. I understand that I serve solely at the discretion of my
magistrate.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Scriba Propraetoris Curator
Araneum with all the privileges, obligations, and responsibilities
attendant thereto


Aelius Solaris Marullinus

On Sunday, February 9, 2003, at 06:42 AM, Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
wrote:

> So, to raise funds, why not have an ancient Roman bazaar? Just a
> thought.
>

That's what Roman Market Day was meant to do! (See
www.romanmarketday.com for details.) It didn't raise any funds -- the
goal, which we didn't achieve in the first year, is simply to break
even while encouraging people to learn about ancient Rome and possibly
join Nova Roma. We gained several Citizens at the event, and
entertained hundreds of people.

There are many plans for Nova Roma to raise money, and I'm sure that if
you wanted to put on an event, you could work with your provincial
Praetor to get something going. Your province is entitled to a share of
tax revenues raised from its citizens, and while this doesn't amount to
much, it might be enough to get your started.

-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@...

Salve Romans

As a former summer camp director I was wondering if anybody has given any thought to a Nova Roma summer camp? This is one area that I thinks we should give serious thought to.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


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Tiberius Galerius Paulinus writes:

> As a former summer camp director I was wondering if anybody has
> given any thought to a Nova Roma summer camp?

I don't know if anybody has taken a serious look at doing this in
the US anywhere, but earlier last year I was involved in discussions
with some of our European colleagues about the creation of one or
more "Campus Novae Romae" which would be something like what you
describe. They would be open spaces available to Nova Roman citizens
for camping, and could be used for organized camping activities too.

Do you have an idea for a location of such a thing? (Anybody else
with a good possible location is welcome to speak up too! There's
no reason we can't have several of these.)

While I'm mentioning the Campus Novae Romae, I should also mention
the Domus Novae Romae (Nova Roma House) idea which goes with it.
Houses in various places which would be something like the YMCA/YWCA
in the US. To begin with, they'd have to be the private homes of
citizens who were willing to offer hospitality to visiting citizens
comparable to European youth hostels.

But over time it might be possible to purchase properties explicitly
for the purpose of being Nova Roma Houses. Likewise with the camps.

-- Marinus

Salve Illustrus Tiberius Galerius Paulinus!

I have taken up the idea of a "Roman House"/"Roman Camp" movement
during last years election campaign. Camps have also been loosly
discussed in the "Societas Iuventutis Romanae" Society of Roman Youth
(SIR) as a way to develop that organisation. The idea was to have two
camps, one for grown ups and as neighbours the Youth Camp.

The Roman House idea is meant to range from small apartments to real
Houses centered on Roman Culture, but which could be open to the
public as often as possible. There are such House in the Nordic
countries (Thule) owned by the labour movement called "People's
Houses". These houses has changed into Houses owned by the towns and
cities and by doing so leaving some room for the Roman House idea.

Both the Houses and Camps are meant to be both a PR tool, giving us a
public face and a meeting place for Romans.

The Camps could be built as Roman military Camps, or at least be
similar to a certain extent. The activities there could be based in
Roman, art, smithery, handicraft and so on. The Scout movement could
be used as a model. There is no real limit to the development of such
a Camps. By later on buying the land the Camp is situated on we would
come much closer to owning land. Yes, I admit I really like the idea!
;-)

If You want to start such a Camp You would have my wholehearted
support. But I think that giving all such Camps a common name, like
"Roman Camps", would have great advantages.

>Salve Romans
>
>As a former summer camp director I was wondering if anybody has
>given any thought to a Nova Roma summer camp? This is one area that
>I thinks we should give serious thought to.
>
>Vale
>
>Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
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Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Salvete,

As an older "Nova Roma Praetors" list has gone defunct, a new list for all
levels of Nova Roma Provincial Government has been created at:

<A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaRomaProvinciae/">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaRomaProvinciae/</A>

This list is restricted to official Provincial Praetors, Provincial
Proconsuls, Provincial Legates and Scribae (who sometimes at need must carry
out the duties of the Praetors) and the Consuls and members of the Senate.
(who are historically responsible for overseeing all the Provinciae
together.)

An attempt has been made to directly subscribe all Provincial officials to
this list. A few Provincial officers could not be directly subscribed, and an
invitation letter has been sent to them. Senators and the Consuls have *not*
been subscribed directly, but are very much invited to join this list.

There may be a few Legates or Scribae who where incorrectly listed on the NR
website. If anyone has been subscribed to the Nova Roma Provinciae in error,
you can be unsubscribed again quickly and with sincere apologies. (Also,
anyone wishing to change their mode of subscription can go to "digest mode"
or "read on web only" by visiting the group home page listed above.

Every effort will be made to make membership on this list worth everyone's
time. There is great potential in the Provinciae, and much that needs to be
done; and this will be the place where information is shared and resources
provided. Topics will include a lot of "How To" material, including the
organizing of gatherings and events, keeping up Provincial resources,
contacting local Citizens, etc.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Proconsul, Senator, Provincial Legate
(On behalf of the Senate of Nova Roma)


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Salve Romans

As this idea has the support of our new Governor and our Senior Consul I would like to suggest that we form a working group to put together a plan to start a summer camp for this year. The camp could be one week or two and can be placed late in August so we can have from now until then to plan and get our act together.

These and other questions need to be addressed

1. Where will the camp be held?

2. How much will it cost to hold the camp a make a little money for the Treasury?

3. What would the program be?

4 Who should we invite and how?

5. How many campers should we plan for.

6. How do we staff the camp?

7 .How is the food prepared and what is the menu?

8. What age group would the camp be for?

9. How long one week or two? more or less?

10. Do we try and pay the staff or is everybody a volunteer?

11. If volunteer, how much time can they give, who is available to staff the camp.

12. What are the heath and safety concerns that we need to address?

13 All the other questions we need to ask.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen


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Fr. Apulus Caesar Q. Cassio Calvo S.P.D.

> I apologize if it seems if I was given your wonderful city a bad
> reputation. Those "rules" tend to be common sense in any urban
> setting be it Rome, Tokyo, or New York.

Don't worry, I understand you :-)
We are usual to create "fixed ideas" about something and they come from how
we have "live" their.
Maybe you have seen Rome (it's not my city, I live in Bari, 200 km far to
Naples) in a special time and status, maybe you come from a different
society and I know the Italy is not so quite and orderly (Naples especially)
;-)
My corrections to your rules are not critics, only funny words to "destroy"
this fixed ideas. Maybe someone could read their in a wrong way and avoid to
come in Italy. :-) (or build Nova Roma here? ;-)
I have the same "fixed ideas" about Los Angeles, a very very very violent
city for me. Or I thing London and english cities are too "perfect",
Amsterdam too "extreme", Barcallona too "crazy", Berlin too "sad", Paris too
"romantic". But I come from a strange and funny land where everything is
possible and everything not. ;-)
So at the end, don't worry, I'm hot hurted. :-)

> I've never had the
> opportunity to go to Athens.

My "fixed ideas" about it: too chatic, too traffic, too hot :-)
But it's wonderful!!!

> Besides Rome and Naples, I've been to
> Barcelona, Marsailles, Venice, Trieste, Algers, Tunis, Haifi,
> Jerusalem, Lisbon, Cannes, London, Amsterdam, Den Helder, Izmir, and
> a few other places. Someday I hope to be able to make it to Germany,
> Ireland, and Iceland. However global travels aren't in my budget for
> the forseeable future.

You have seen several places and I love it. This knowledge create more
experiences and more experience liek this create an open mind :-)
In Italy I suggest you to visit the wonderful Sicily, the Sardegna and
Puglia for the sea, Bologna for the meals :-), the North for the Alpes.
And I suggest you to visit Austria, the Cote Azur, Madrid, the Andalusia,
Paris, the greek islands, etc.

Vale
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Accensus Consulis Quintilianis
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
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Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Cohors Aedilis F. Apulus Caesar - http://aediles.novaroma.org/apulus
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Academia Italica - http://italia.novaroma.org/academiaitalica
Yahoo Messanger: fapulus

Fr. Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.

My Cohors Aedilis is organizing new and biggest Ludi for the 2756 with the
help of each Aedile.
My Office is specializing in the sport games, the most exciting events
during a festival, like the famous Ludi Circenses, the Munera Gladiatores,
the Venationes and the new Naumachiae.
We are almoust ready to start in the first Ludi, Megalesia from 4th to 10th
April. However we need help to accomplish their, we need english writers for
the each games.

They must have:
- good knowledge of english language
- "exciting" tone and language
- full disponibility for one week (or more) in April, May, September and
October (the dates of Ludi)

You can send your candidacy to me at sacro_barese_impero@... as soon
as possible.
We're waiting for you.

valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Accensus Consulis Quintilianis
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
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Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Cohors Aedilis F. Apulus Caesar - http://aediles.novaroma.org/apulus
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Academia Italica - http://italia.novaroma.org/academiaitalica
Yahoo Messanger: fapulus

Fr. Apulus Caesar marco Cassio Juliano S.P.D.

> I am very pleased, (and a little surprised) to announce that Patricia

Cassia

> and myself will be travelling to Rome on vacation at the end of this

month!

> We'll be leaving the US on Feb 28, and will be returning on March 9. :)

> We're staying in a hotel right near the Forum, and are planning day trips

to

> Ostia, Pompeii, etc. This will be our first trip to Rome and I can't wait

to

> visit the ancient sites, make some surreptitius offerings at some of the
> Temples, etc.

Have a nice trip, Marce! I'm sure you'll have wonderful time!

> If anyone has any trips about travel to Rome, we'd be happy to hear them.
> Also, if any of our Italian Citizens would like to meet somewhere, we're

up

> for it!

Of course, I'll talk with the other italian Nova Romans hoping to find
someone able to go in Rome.
However maybe I'll can be in Rome in this period, I have to work! :-(

> I can bring NR coins and flags with us if anyone wants any.

Yes, please, I need their. I'll contact you privately.

Vale
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Accensus Consulis Quintilianis
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
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Yahoo Messanger: fapulus

Salvete Omnes:

Thanks for the information. The province was recommended to me by my
son's medical school friend, but my novel takes place 150 BCE. I
thought that was the remote outpost/place where the Carthaginian
prisoners of war and their slaves were sent to so they'd have little
chance of getting back anytime soon to Carthage. My novel takes
place in Rome and in Numidia in Africa when the king of Numidia
allies with Rome against Carthage in the 3rd Punic War around 150
BCE. I was told Rome exiled hundreds of Berbers in the little known
and probably sparsely inhabited country north of Dacia, but my
historical research has Rome not visiting that area yet in 150 BCE.

Vale,
Octavia

http://reminiscencemedia.tripod.com

Salvete Omnes:

Thanks for the information. The province was recommended to me by my
son's medical school friend, but my novel takes place 150 BCE. I
thought that was the remote outpost/place where the Carthaginian
prisoners of war and their slaves were sent to so they'd have little
chance of getting back anytime soon to Carthage. My novel takes
place in Rome and in Numidia in Africa when the king of Numidia
allies with Rome against Carthage in the 3rd Punic War around 150
BCE. I was told Rome exiled hundreds of Berbers in the little known
and probably sparsely inhabited country north of Dacia, but my
historical research has Rome not visiting that area yet in 150 BCE.

Vale,
Octavia

http://reminiscencemedia.tripod.com

Salvete,
Perhaps others joined for this reason as well, but I am a part of this list
in the interest of a living Rome. While history is interesting and relevant,
its not the only thing I ever want to discuss. I like this list just the way
it is.

Valete,
I.A.A.Musa


WELL SAID!

Quintus Meridius Brutus



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Are there any events of that description in Australia? Excuse my not
using a Latin greeting, what does Salvete mean?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "AussieGent <aussiegent@y...>"
<aussiegent@y...> wrote:

> Are there any events of that description in Australia? Excuse my

not

> using a Latin greeting, what does Salvete mean?

"Salve" means "greetings" or "hello" and "salvete" is the plural
form,
equally,
"vale" means "goodbye" and "valete" is used when adressing more than
one person.

Laecus Galerius Felix

Salvete Omnes,

I have re-established the Provincial mail list
for America Medioccidentalis Superior. If you are
a citizen living in AMS I urge you to join. Please
make your first post a introduction of yourself.


Sextus Cornelius Cotta

--
Propraetor--America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
Factio Praesina

Mac OSX iChat/AIM: WyrdCharlie

Salvete Omnes,

I forgot to put the URL it's http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AMS_NR.


Sextus Cornelius Cotta

--
Propraetor--America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
Factio Praesina

Mac OSX iChat/AIM: WyrdCharlie

Salve, carus Gaius Marus Verus

Well, the language thet more than 300 million people share is Spanish,
translated as ESPAÑOL. The other exotic ways to call it belong to
differents political views. The truth is that in some places, some
people do not feel comfortable with the word "Español". Any other
consideration is absolutely ludicrous.
Personally, I was born and raised in Spain and admit I was never able
to speak "Castellano".Since I don´t live in that particular area in
Spain called "Castilla", I only speak Spanish as my mother language.
If you want to know more, a bigger infrom which explain the origin of
both terminologies was sent to Serranus.

antonius adrianus urcitanus
Bachelor of Arts and Professor of Lunguistics in R.F (Real Life)

----- Mensaje Original -----
De: "Gaius Marius Verus" <cristian_isj@...>
Fecha: Viernes, Febrero 7, 2003 11:08 pm
Asunto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Spanish list

> <html><body>
>
>
> <tt>
> Salve Urcitane!
>
> Salve Sexte Iuli Serrane!
>
> Here, in Argentina, we call our language as "castellano"
> and not as "español" or Spanish, who knows why,
>
> but I imagine that it's because the language come from Castilla,
> in Spain. Sextus Iulius Serranus, maybe
>
> you've learned calling it this way from some Argentine.
>
>
>
> Como comentario: en Argentina llamamos a nuestro idioma castellano
> y no español, vaya a saber uno
>
> por qué, será porque es el idioma originario de Castilla. Sextus
> Iulius Serranus, tal vez hayas aprendido a
>
> llamarlo así de algún argentino.
>
>
>
> Vale bene
>
>
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> Gaius Marius Verus
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: William Cornett Polanco
>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>
> Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2003 2:34 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Spanish list
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> Antonius Adrianus Urcitanus,
>
>
>
> Thank you so much for giving me the NRHispania list. I
> appreciate it very much. I wouldn't like to limit myself to just
> English here considering this is a forum open to all of us. Si
> vosotros no hablais castellano, pues que hablais???? Me parece un
> poco raro lo que has dicho. Bueno ya ves! Para mi es igual el
> Español o el Castellano. Suelo usar la palabra Castellano cuando
> refiero a este idioma. Well, look forward to speaking to you soon.
>
> Sextus Iulius Serranus
>
> URCITANUS <urcitanus@...> wrote:
>
> Dear Sextus Iulius Serranus,
>
> If you want to argue in Spanish, you can enter NRHispania list.
> Althogh
>
> we do not speak Castillian anymore, but Spanish, I am pretty
> sure you
>
> will be able to make yoursealf clear. (Besides, there will
> probably be
>
> some Catalonian speaking citizen there)
>
>
>
> antonius adrianus urcitanus
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>
>
> ----- Mensaje Original -----
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> De: William Cornett Polanco <sxtus_iulius_serranus@...>
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> Fecha: Jueves, Febrero 6, 2003 6:17 am
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> Asunto: Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)
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> > <html><body>
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> > <tt>
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> >
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> > Ave Aurelius!
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> >
>
> > I completely agree with you. Can we not all simply be
> Romans? I
>
> > for one would prefer to immerse myself in Roman culture
> than argue
>
> > about about inter-continental opinions! I thought we were
> one and
>
> > the same?? I reside in America Austroccidentalis but am
> tired of
>
> > the sensationalism of the media here. I wholeheartedly
> agree with
>
> > Diana Moravia Aventina! I would like to meet other Romans
> who are
>
> > interested in the promotion of the Latin language and Roman
>
> > culture! Is that not why we are here?? My Materfamilias
> Iulia
>
> > Vopisca whom I admire, is an active part of Roman religion!
> I know
>
> > this is not everone's forté, but it is another aspect of
> the
>
> > richness of Roman culture! Why not spend time discussing
> all
>
> > realms of Roman life? I realize we are part of a modern
> world and
>
> > must accept and dictate our fate within it, but what about
> the
>
> > essential values of being Roman? I want to learn as much as
> I can.
>
> > All of you have something spectacular to contribute! Of
> this I am
>
> > quite certain!
>
> >
>
> > Pues, para todos que hablan castellano o catalan, os deseo
> buena
>
> > suerte y espero leer alguna cosa de vosotros! QUE VIVA ROMA
> ETERNA!
> >
>
> > Doncs, per a tots que parlen castellà o català, us desitjo
> bona
>
> > sort i espero llegir alguna cosa de vosaltres! QUE VISCA
> ROMA ETERNA!
>
> >
>
> > Sextus Iulius Serranus
>
> >
>
> > &quot;M. Flavius Aurelius&quot;
> <marcus.flavius@...&gt;
>
> > wrote:This obsession that some New Romans have with turning
> the
>
> > major forum into a
>
> >
>
> > US-European slagging fest bores those of us in the other
> regions......
> >
>
> >
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> > M. Flavius Aurelius
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> > Australia
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> >
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
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> > To: &quot;Nova-Roma&quot; <Nova-
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> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Columbia- (offtopic)
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> >
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> >
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> > &gt; &quot;Show me a nation whose history doesn't
> contain death
>
> > and violence.
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> > Compared to a vast majority of European nations, I think
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>
> >
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> > pretty lightly.&quot;
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> > &gt;
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> >
>
> > &gt; Well said
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> > &gt; Tiberius
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> > &gt; Show me a nation whose history doesn't contain
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> > Compared to a vast majority of European nations, I think
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> > gets off
>
> >
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> > pretty lightly.
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> > &gt; Vale
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> > &gt; Decimus Iunius Silanus.
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Salvete

> Excuse my not using a Latin greeting, what does Salvete mean?

Salvete means "be healthy", and it can be used as either a greeting or a
goodbye. Nowadays, its English derivative, salutations, is used entirely as a
greeting. When talking to one person, you'd say "salve".

Valete (or the singular vale), is often used in place of "goodbye" in Nova
Roma. Like salvete, it can be either a greeting or a parting phrase. It
means "be strong".

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus

I spent three months in Roma during law school. Perhaps the most
entertaining event I saw in Rome was a group of japanese tourists
pimp-slapping and spitting on a bunch of gypsy kids who were trying to steal
their wallets.

Look out for the gypsy kids.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola


-----Original Message-----
From: quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@...> [mailto:richmal@...]
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2003 9:26 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Cassii going to Rome!


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Franciscus Apulus Caesar"
<sacro_barese_impero@l...> wrote:

> Fr. Apulus Caesar Q. Cassio Calvo et Guests in Italy S.P.D.
>
> What a tragical suggestions!
> How many far you're went in Italy? Several things are changed and

you

> describe Rome like a "impossible" city. Maybe youy have to see

cities like

> Athen or the spanish. :-)
> Of course we live in a different way from the american or the north-

european

> style. We're more chaotic and we have personal easy and

wonderfulidea of the

> daily life ;-)
> Please, take my little corrections.

Salve,

I apologize if it seems if I was given your wonderful city a bad
reputation. Those "rules" tend to be common sense in any urban
setting be it Rome, Tokyo, or New York. I've never had the
opportunity to go to Athens. Besides Rome and Naples, I've been to
Barcelona, Marsailles, Venice, Trieste, Algers, Tunis, Haifi,
Jerusalem, Lisbon, Cannes, London, Amsterdam, Den Helder, Izmir, and
a few other places. Someday I hope to be able to make it to Germany,
Ireland, and Iceland. However global travels aren't in my budget for
the forseeable future.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus


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The Praetors have issued thier List Standards and as I have indicated
previously, I will be quite happy to acknowledge their determinations.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


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I don't understand your website
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The Praetors have issued thier List Standards and as I have indicated
previously, I will be quite happy to acknowledge their determinations.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucus Audens

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Cassius and Cassia:

My adventures in Rome were of very short duration (3 days) being on tour
there from the port of Naples, some distance to the South.

I was not treated to the inspiring activity of Japanese Tourists
spitting on Gypsies, so my visit narrative is right away blighted to
some degree, to be determined by your expectations.

I did however, have the opportunity of visit St. Peters, which
architecturally is a marvel in and of itself. When I was there, the
Pieta was not screened away from the onlookers, and I got a close look
at the marvelous work of the sculpture. The whole aspect of St. Peter's
was simply overwhelming, and I found myself most impressed by my visit.
The tour was an American Express Tour tailored for U.S. Navy men who
wished to visit Rome, and was well conducted and the wonders of the city
(which are many) were a memory that I shall not forget.

There is a German Restaurant not far from the Spanish Steps then was a
real blast. An American Catholic Priest that we met on the bus

(he was perfecting his Italian language skills by arguing politics with
the bus driver),

took us there as it was a favorite place of his, and we offered to treat
him to the beer!!!!! We had a marvelous dinner, with good German dark
beer, soft German cheese. and other german deliacies.

The hotel in which we stayed provided breakfast and supper in the family
style, and the people who owned the hotel were very friendly and
answered our many many questions quite cheerfully. We ate chocolates at
the Tivoli Fountain, and I made a traditional wish which came true,
throwing the coins in the fountain. We attended a special presentation
of the Pope, and were amazed by the Sistine Chapel, not so much y the
theme, but rather by the beauty and the amazing detail of the paintings.

As I related once before, I had a personal "unescorted" tour of the
Vatican Library before they found me and immediately evacuated me, but
it it were possible to arrange such a tour, I guarantee, your deepest
appreciation of the opportunity. It was the most rewarding wrong turn
of my life!!!!!!!!

My roommate for the weekend was a Junior Officer, who was a
disappointment

(as most such were -- The Captain had sent him on the tour to "try" and
absorb "a little culture!!!"),

but since our interests differed greatly, I was not required to put up
with him to any degree. We senior ratings bought bottles of champagne
for a before bed cocktail and put them out on the window sill
overlooking the inner courtyard of the hotel (lovely garden).

We visited most of the major attractions and buildings during the day,
and some bars, restaurants and clubs in the evening. It was cold in
Rome during our stay, and we forified ourselves with cognac and expresso
coffe as we made our way back to the hotel from the delights of the
evening.

There are many things in Rome to see and appreciate, so I would
recommend that you talk to a tour company and get an idea of what you
want to see, what they offer, and the range of sights and experiences
that they can provide.

I am not a advocate of large cities, being basically a country boy at
heart, but I must say that I did enjoy my stay in Rome. I felt much
more welcome and comfortable there then I ever have in New York or Las
Angles, boh of which I know fairly well. I suppose that every large
city has some undesirable elemnts, but with a modicum of care, one can
avoid the unpleasant aspects , and go on to build some very nice
memories. The overwhelming good will of most of the people that we met
and dealt with was one of the most pleasant of the many cities that I
have visited. I will not go to New York even just to pass through it,
but rather go around. Las Angles has a nice express way system through
it, so the time spent there is minimal.

Below is a brief list of some things that I would like to visit if my
wife and I get back there. Rome is a city in which I enjoyed myself
hugely, learned a good deal about the Italian people, have great
memories of, and would not hesitate at all to visit again:

--The Museum of Roman Civilization (reconstruction model of the city of
Rome by I. Gismondi);

--The Palatine;

--The Roman Forum;

--Campidoglio;

--Religion and Temples;

--The Pantheon;

--Obelisks and Arches;

--City Walls and Gates;

--Columns and Forums;

--The Colliseum and Circuses;

--The tiber, It's Island and Bridges;

--The Baths;

--Imperial Mausoleums;

--Hadrian's Villa

--I was particularly intereted in the:

==Roads, Bridges, Aqueducts, the port of Ostia, and the Catacombs.

There are some recent Archaelogical findings along the Tiber that may be
opening soon as well.

You may find it convienient to purchase one of the many very nice
colored books about Rome, which explain much of what you will see, are
seeing, and what you have seen. My stay there was fairly short, so I
needed something to give me the details in English that I could review
at my liesure. My Italian is non-existant, and the guides English was
good, but a few words and expessions from his native language crept in
from time to time.

I hope that you will enjoy your stay in Rome, and my best wishes attend
you in your trip.

Respectfully;
Marcus Minucius Audens

A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
Seas!!!

It was an attempt to use the facilities of WebTv, to set up my own
website. Either I am too dumb to use the facilities properly or they
don;'t work. Anyway, I have not yet gotten rid of it, but intend to
when I get a moment free.

Respectfully;
M. M. Audens

A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
Seas!!!

In a message dated 2/10/03 6:15:13 AM Pacific Standard Time,
labienus@... writes:

> Like salvete, it can be either a greeting or a parting phrase. It
> means "be strong

My classic Latin professor said "be hearty." Gotta go with my Latin
professor.

Fabius Maximus


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Hi everyone,

It's been brought to my attention that NR is about to have a birthday.
In celebration of this fact, I'd like to have some kind of get-
together within the province of Britannia.

What I'd first like to know, before I start arranging things, is
whether it would be easier for citizens on the whole to get to London,
this being the capital, or somewhere nearer the Midlands, which could
perhaps be cheaper & easier for larger numbers of people to get to,
and therefore a more useful location. It would probably also be
cheaper for accomodation, for anyone who didn't fancy a day-trip.
However I'm sure you all understand it would be quite silly if we held
the event in the midlands, and everyone who bothered to attend was
from London (or, on the other hand, from Cumbria!) so I'd really like
to get an impression of who would be interested in attending, so I can
work out the geographical distributions. Please email me *offlist* at
livia @ strategikon.org, and let me know, if you'd like to come, where
you'd be coming from.

Looking forwards to a large response,

Gaia Fabia Livia

Salvete

> My classic Latin professor said "be hearty." Gotta go with my Latin
> professor.

Actually, I got "be strong" from a Classical Latin professor.

Hearty: Exhibiting strength; sound; healthy; firm; not weak; as, a hearty
timber.

Strong: Having passive physical power; having ability to bear or endure; firm;
hale; sound; robust; as, a strong constitution; strong health.

It is true, though, that "strong" has many connotations that "hearty" does not,
and that "hearty" is a better translation in that respect.

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus

Salvete omnes.

The recruitment for factio Veneta is already open!!. Just go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factioveneta and subscribe. Then I'll approve you. Once you are approved you'll need to state the following: 1) your roman name, 2) the name of your chariot, 3) the name of your driver. Whenever a Ludi approaches you'll also need to state your tactics for the race.
Note for the old members of the factio veneta : you must also subscribe to this list, otherwise you'll be considered not to have any interest to participate in the factio

Valete bene

Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Senator
Tribunus Plebis
Dominus Factionis Veneta
Propraetor provincialis Argentinae
http://argentina.novaroma.org
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Argentina
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factioveneta



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Salvete cives argentini

En los kioskos de Buenos Aires pueden encontrar el número 24 Octubre 2000 de la revista española "La Aventura de la historia". En él encontrarán un articulo sobre el gladius hispaniensis y otro sobre un bronce de época augústea hallado en Hisapnia

At the newstands in Buenos Aires you'll find the issue number 24 October 2000 of the spanish magazine " the Aventure of the History" where you'll find an article about the gladius hispaniensis and another one about a bronze dating from Augustan times found in Hispania.

Bene Valete

Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Senator
Tribunus Plebis
Dominus Factionis Veneta
Propraetor provincialis Argentinae
http://argentina.novaroma.org
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Argentina
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factioveneta



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Nova Britannia Edictum Propraetoricium VI regarding the appointment of
Provincial officers.

I. The following citizen appointed to the office of Scriba Propraetoris:


Horatia Minucia Caesar

II. This edictum is effective immediately. Given ante diem IV Id.
FEBRVARIAS, in the year of the Consulship of Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
and Titus Labienus Fortunatus, MMDCCLVI A.U.C.




Novae Britanniae Edictum Propraetoris VI, de designatione magistratuum
provincialium:

I. Haec civis nominata in officium Scribae Propraetoris designata est:

Horatia Minuciua Caesar


II. Hoc Edictum statim valet. Datum est ante diem IV Idus Februaria,
Caeso Fabio Quintiliano et Tito Labieno Fortunato consulibus, MMDCCLVI
AUC.



<Latin translation courtesy H. Minucia Caesar>



Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus
Propraetor Nova Britannia
Lictor
Minerva Templi Sacerdotes

Patria est communis omnium parens.
"Our native land is the common parent of us all." - Cicero





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Hey I have a question... I think I remember seeing somewhere on the
website something about NR being non-profit. Where is it stated on
the site, because I'm having trouble finding it and I would like to
have the specific place to point to when I ask my tax person whether
or not I should write off the "tax" payments to NR.

Also, I'm not sure if I missed the email or not...is it time to pay
the tax now? I thought it was supposed to be sometime this month??

L Porticus Brutus

--- "deciusiunius <bcatfd@...>"
<bcatfd@...> escreveu: >

> Salve,

[..] other plebeian to hold the office of consul was

> Consul Suffectus
> Quintus Caecilius Metellus, who replaced Flavius
> Vedius in Sept. 1998
> after his resignation. Incidently, Metellus was a
> founding senator of
> Nova Roma, one of the 4 original senators--and chose
> to be a plebeian
> (he was also Plebeian Aedile for that year though
> the annals
> incorrectly show the position as vacant).

M.ARMINIUS: I find this information extremely
interesting. Do you (or somebody else) have a idea
about when he became Aedilis Plebis (01/march, or
later)? And when he resigned from Nova Roma (1999,
2000)?.
Apparently, this data is too old to be at the
censorial databanks...

> Vale,
> Decius Iunius Palladius

Vale
Marcus Arminius

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I, Decimus Iunius Silanus, do hereby solemnly swear to uphold
the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of
Decius Iunius Palladius while I hold this office,
except when such action would be illegal or unconstitutional.

I, Decimus Iunius Silanus, further swear to fulfill the obligations and
Responsibilities of the office of Scriba Praetoris to the best of my
abilities while following the Roman virtues and ideals.

I, Decimus Iunius Silanus, swear to give faithful service to my magistrate,
and not to divulge any information discussed in confidence. I understand
that I serve solely at the discretion of my magistrate.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Scriba Praetoris with all the privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.



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I, Renata Corva Cantrix, do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold
the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of
Praetor Decius Iunius Palladius while I hold this
office,
except when such action would be illegal or
unconstitutional.

I, Renata Corva Cantrix, further swear to fulfill the
obligations and
Responsibilities of the office of Scriba Praetoris to
the best of my
Abilities while following the Roman virtues and
ideals.

I, Renata Corva Cantrix, swear to give faithful
service to my magistrate,
and not to divulge any information discussed in
confidence. I
understand
that I serve solely at the discretion of my
magistrate.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the
presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will
and favor, do I
accept the position of Scriba Praetoris with all the
privileges,
obligations,
and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Given by my hand this 11th day of February, 2003
Chantal Whittington
aka Renata Corva Cantrix

So, whats the plan?

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola

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Cn. Salix Astur Quiritibus S.P.D.

Ex Officio Triumvirati Academiae.

I am writing to you on the Academia's behalf to announce a new online
course. Although this course is not part of the Academia courses, I
thought that some of you might feel attracted to it.

This course will teach Ancient Greek. Before you all shout "Graecus non
legitur!", please remember that *all* cultured Romans (with the
exception of Cato the Elder) considered that Greek was a *fundamental*
part of a true gentleman's education. Most upper class Romans (and many
in the middle class as well) learnt Greek during childhood, to the
point that they were bilingual in Greek and Latin.

Here follows the presentation from Anamathethes, the group that is
offering you this course:

"Announcing the formation of Anamathêtês, a list intended for those who
want to learn (or re-learn) ancient Greek

Anamathêtês was founded because a number of Hellenic polytheists have
expressed an interest in acquiring the ancient Greek language, and we
would like to facilitate that in a community of like-minded
individuals.

Anamathêtês is a study group that will use an online Greek course to
learn ancient Greek, geared towards independent study by the members,
with guidance from moderators who have experience with the Greek
language. We will learn both Attic, the language of Classical Athens,
and koine, the closely related ‘common’ language of the Christian
scriptures and other relatively late texts. Since all of the course
materials are available online free-of-charge, there is no need to
purchase a textbook; this course is entirely free.

We will begin discussion of the Introduction and Lesson 1 on Monday,
February 24. General chit chat and introductions are welcome before
then, of course."

So take your wax tablets, Romans, and get ready for some *real* Roman
education :-).

=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!

CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF
PRAETOR·ET·SENATOR
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Agricola writes:

> So, whats the plan?

http://www.insulaumbra.com/cfq_for_consul/index.html

I guess you weren't paying attention the last time. That's our
senior consul's website. Go read about his plan for Nova Roma.

-- Marinus

Cn. Salix Astur Quiritibus S.P.D.

In my last message I forgot the group's address. Here it is:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/anamathetes/

=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!

CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF
PRAETOR·ET·SENATOR
TRIVMVIR·ACADEMIAE
LICTOR·CVRIATVS

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Ave

I read his website. I agree with his goals, but there are no nuts and bolts
plans for ACTION. They are mainly just goals. And they are just one man's
vision.

As to your response:

"I guess you weren't paying attention the last time."

No need for insults. Nothing in my original e-mail required the tone you
used. I didn't know the senior consul's politcal platform was the last word
on the subject.

"Go read about his plan for Nova Roma."

I don't like the tone of this comment, either. Its like a command, or an
order. I seriously doubt you'd use that tone in person. So don't do it here.

Salve

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola


-----Original Message-----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@...>
[mailto:equitius_marinus@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 2:54 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quo vadis?


Agricola writes:

> So, whats the plan?

http://www.insulaumbra.com/cfq_for_consul/index.html

I guess you weren't paying attention the last time. That's our
senior consul's website. Go read about his plan for Nova Roma.

-- Marinus


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I, Publius Tarquitius Rufus do hereby solemnly swear to uphold
the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of
Decius Iunius Palladius while I hold this office, except when such
action would be illegal or unconstitutional.

I, Publius Tarquitius Rufus further swear to fulfill the obligations
and Responsibilities of the office of Scribe to the best of my
Abilities while following the Roman virtues and ideals.

I,Publius Tarquitius Rufus, swear to give faithful service to my
magistrate, and not to divulge any information discussed in
confidence. I understand that I serve solely at the discretion of my
magistrate.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Scribe with all the privileges, obligations,
and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Salvete argentini

At our provincial mailing list I just posted some words from Seneca (in spanish). I hope you'll enjoy them.

Valete

Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Senator
Tribunus Plebis
Dominus Factionis Veneta
Propraetor provincialis Argentinae
http://argentina.novaroma.org
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Argentina
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factioveneta


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Citizens of Nova Roma,

I announce you that it is now available the website of the Quaestors
of Nova Roma.
Here you will find general info about the eight elected quaestors.
Each of us is assigned to a particular magistrate, and in this
website we will periodically publish communications in order to
inform the Populace of what we are currently doing. In this way you
will have the opportunity to directly contact each of us asking for
information about the matters we are taking care of.

Soon this website will also have two new sections, one being
called "Quaestor Romae" (The Quaestor in Rome) and one being
called "Quaestor Novae Romae" (The Quaestor in Nova Roma).
The first section will describe the role of the Quaestors in ancient
Rome. The second one will show the role of the Quaestors in our Res
Publica, and will contain all those laws concerning the office of the
Quaestors.

I hope you will find it useful. It is a service for you all.

The address is http://www.geocities.com/quaestores/index.html

If possible, I would ask our Curator Arenaeum, Illustris Titus
Octavius Pius, to put a link to this website in novaroma.org

Concluding, I whish to thank all the other Quaestors for their
collaboration.

OPTIME VALETE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Qvaestor
Legatvs Externis Rebvs Provinciae Italiae
Accensvs Senior Primvs Consvlis Senioris
Dominvs Praefectvs Sodalitatis Egressvs
Dominvs Factionis Praesinae
---------------------------
PROVINCIA ITALIA
http://italia.novaroma.org
---------------------------
AFRICA SEPTENTRIONALIS
http://www.geocities.com/africaseptentrionalis/index.html

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Manius Constantinus Serapio
<mcserapio@y...>" <mcserapio@y...> scripsit:

> Citizens of Nova Roma,
>
> I announce you that it is now available the website of the

Quaestors of Nova Roma.

... and a really fine site it is! Excellent design work, and it's
really nice seeing everyone's picture.

Bene fecit!

Julilla Sempronia Magna

Gaivs Lanivs Falco Qviritibvs S.P.D.

I cordially invite all interested cives to join me at the Worcester Art
Museum, Worcester, Massachusetts, for a lecture concerning the Imperial Cult
Building (Sanctuary of the Public Lares). The following notice can be found
on the website of WAM (www.worcesterart.org/Events/)

AIA Lecture: Pompeii's Most Important Building
March 2, 2:30 p.m.
Free

The Imperial Cult Building, sometimes called the Sanctuary of the
Public Lares,
with its highly articulated walls, and bold treatment of interior
space, is one of a
kind in Pompeii. Guest lecturer John J. Dobbins, Associate Professor
of
Classical Art & Archaeology at the University of Virginia, is director
of the
Pompeii Forum Project. Presented by the Archaeological Institute of
America.

Before and after the lecture we can view the magnificent Antioch mosiacs on
display, along with a room full of additional examples of ancient Roman art
such as glassware, bronzes, marble sculpture, and mummy portraits. After
that, we will play it by ear.

We can meet just inside the Salisbury Street entrance and make our way to the
lecture room. Plan to arrive at 1:30 p.m. The museum admission cost is
adults - $8; full-time students w/current ID, seniors - $6; anyone 17 or
under, and members - FREE. For directions to the museum check
www.worcesterart.org/directions.html.

Hope to see you there!


Valete, respectfully

GAIVS LANIVS FALCO
Legatus Provincia Nova Britannia
Acting Praefectus Sodalitas Egressus, Provincia Britannia


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Sp. Postumius Quiritibus S.P.D

Salvete,

Earlier, while that infamous virus, that it appears I was not the only one to have, was taking over my computer, I stated that I
would not be sending any personal e-mails until further notice. Well, I finally got some new virus scanning software (about three
days ago), and it appears that my virus problems have left me, for now. That said, I think it would now be safe to open any mailing
that has my full name in the "From:" (or appropriate, with regards to language and other differences) header. Those without the
(dare I say) luxury of seeing names for a sender, still be cautious, please.

Optime Valete in Pace et Amicitia et Clementia inter Civibus,

Sp. Postumius L.f. A.n. Tubertus

Citizen

Factio Veneta et omnibus SPD
I have been active in the past and am ready to participate with Factio
Veneta. Do I still own the charioteer Flavius Iaculator? When is the next
Ludi? I've also developed some Veneta graphics for possible use as icons and
backgrounds for future Veneta related web projects.
Also, I'll be out there in the Circus Maximus haranguing the mobs of the
Factio Veneta.


G*CORNELIVS*AHENOBARBVS

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Agricola writes:

[about Caeso Fabius' website]

> I read his website. I agree with his goals, but there are no
> nuts and bolts plans for ACTION. They are mainly just goals.
> And they are just one man's vision.

What Caeso Fabius has there is representative of the vision, the
goals, and the plan that he shares with many of us who convinced
him to run for Consul and who campaigned for him.

> As to your response:
>
> "I guess you weren't paying attention the last time."
>
> No need for insults.

In your case it's hard to be sure. You post your snippy little
one-liners followed by kilobytes of re-quoted material and the
ever present legal office disclaimer which makes the absurd
claim that a mailing list post is a privileged communication
worthy of client-attourney privilege. What are we supposed to
think, other than that you're a trouble maker sniping from the
sidelines?

> Nothing in my original e-mail required the tone you used.

The post I replied to was one in which you brought up an issue
that we'd discussed just a week ago. It was like hearing a broken
record. Furthermore, it was yet another example of you acting
to undermine the dignity and authority of the magistrates and
the Senate.

> I didn't know the senior consul's politcal platform was the
> last word on the subject.

It's a plan. That's what you asked for. If you want to discuss
points in that plan, or to propose alternative ideas, then do so.
But don't continue acting as if no plan exists.

> "Go read about his plan for Nova Roma."
>
> I don't like the tone of this comment, either.

Agricola, there is so much that I don't like about your posts in
general that it would take me hours to write about it. Whether or
not you like my tone would seem to be of the least possible
interest to you, given the way you come across in your posts.

> Its like a command, or an order.

Ya think? Consider the word "arrogatio" and then consider that
I'm an elected curule magistrate.

> I seriously doubt you'd use that tone in person.

If I ever have the misfortune, I may not be as polite as I am here.

> So don't do it here.

In general, I don't. But in your case, every once in a while,
I make a special exception.

We all earn our reputations here. Present yourself as a jerk, and
people will see you as a jerk. You've done that admirably.

-- Marinus

Salvete -

On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 09:31:45PM -0500, Spurius Postumius Tubertus
wrote:

>
> Earlier, while that infamous virus, that it appears I was not the only
> one to have, was taking over my computer, I stated that I would not be
> sending any personal e-mails until further notice. Well, I finally got
> some new virus scanning software (about three days ago), and it
> appears that my virus problems have left me, for now. That said, I
> think it would now be safe to open any mailing that has my full name
> in the "From:" (or appropriate, with regards to language and other
> differences) header. Those without the (dare I say) luxury of seeing
> names for a sender, still be cautious, please.

Once again: the sender's name in the "From:" line is *not* definitive.
Anyone can put anything they wish in there; as an example, take a look
at an address on a piece of spam - they're almost universally faked.

Your address may very well show up in the "From:" line of an email sent
by a virus from another computer; all that's necessary is for it to be
in the address book of the person whose computer is infected.

Three methods that will greatly decrease or even eliminate the chance of
infecting your machine:

1) GOOD: Disable automatic execution of attachments in Outlook.
2) BETTER: get rid of Outlook and use a decent mail client (Pegasus
Mail for Windows is free, solidly written, and void of stupid
default behaviors.)
3) BEST: install Linux, and forget about viruses.

(For a totally painless way to check out Linux - no installation
required, runs from a CD - see <http://knoppix.com>.)


Valete,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Nil desperandum!
Never despair!
-- Horace, "Carmina"

Salve,

You can add a #4 Buy a Mac w/OSX.


Sextus Cornelius Cotta

--
Mac OSX iChat/AIM: WyrdCharlie

Salve,



Only one problem for both items #3 and #4..



Drastically limited software availability. Especially games, which we
all know is what computers are REALLY for.



OSX - great for Graphic Designers. ("I can run 4 different Adobe
applications at the same time! Yay!")

Linux - great for geeks ("My computer never, ever, ever, ever, ever,
ever crashes! Yay!")

Windows - not great for anyone, but that's what the rest of us are left
with.. ("My computer crashes all the time, and has a myriad of other
inexplicable, irritating problems, but I at least my software section at
Bestbuy is more than one shelf. Yay.")



Valve,



A not so much enthusiastic as resigned Windows user,



C. Minucius Hadrianus











-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 1:55 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Return to Personal E-Mails



Salve,

You can add a #4 Buy a Mac w/OSX.


Sextus Cornelius Cotta

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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M Arminius Maior <marminius@y...>
wrote:

> --- "deciusiunius <bcatfd@t...>"
> <bcatfd@t...> escreveu: >
> > Salve,
> [..] other plebeian to hold the office of consul was
> > Consul Suffectus
> > Quintus Caecilius Metellus, who replaced Flavius
> > Vedius in Sept. 1998
> > after his resignation. Incidently, Metellus was a
> > founding senator of
> > Nova Roma, one of the 4 original senators--and chose
> > to be a plebeian
> > (he was also Plebeian Aedile for that year though
> > the annals
> > incorrectly show the position as vacant).
>
> M.ARMINIUS: I find this information extremely
> interesting. Do you (or somebody else) have a idea
> about when he became Aedilis Plebis (01/march, or
> later)? And when he resigned from Nova Roma (1999,
> 2000)?.
> Apparently, this data is too old to be at the
> censorial databanks...

Yes, unfortunately much early information is not in the databanks.
The first mailing list of Nova Roma, which operated for our first 5
or 6 months did not store information, so much of that is lost. I do
have a lot of it saved--one of these days I will organize it for
public access.

There are other gaps in our records: Lucina Iunia Cypria was Curule
Aedile in 1998, appointed in April (our other one, Silvanus was
appointed in March).

It is hard for this information to be collected since there is no
single repository of infomation and history.

Anyway, yes Metellus was Senator and Plebeian Aedile from day one,
March 1. He wanted to have the Plebeian institutions operating from
the beginning, which is why he did not ask for another magistracy. He
could have been praetor if he desired. When Nova Roma started there
were 4 magistrates, they were also senators: 2 Consuls, 1 praetor,
and 1 Plebeian Aedile--Metellus. There were 5 gentes when we opened
for business: Vedia, Cassia, Iunia, Maria and Caecilia Metella, the
latter deliberately plebeian.

After quite a bit of searching last night I cannot find exactly when
he resigned. He was active until at least Fall of 1999, I have a
message from him threatening a veto in Sept of 99 while he was
Tribune of the Plebs. Tonight I found the text of an IM chat from
March of 2000 in which he was considering resigning. I believe he
left not long after, perhaps during the gender edict controversy. If
I find something more specific, I will let you know.

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "deciusiunius <bcatfd@t...>"
<bcatfd@t...> wrote:

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M Arminius Maior <marminius@y...>
> wrote:
> > --- "deciusiunius <bcatfd@t...>"
> > <bcatfd@t...> escreveu: >
> > > Salve,
> There are other gaps in our records: Lucina Iunia Cypria was Curule
> Aedile in 1998, appointed in April (our other one, Silvanus was
> appointed in March).
>
> It is hard for this information to be collected since there is no
> single repository of infomation and history.

Responding to my own message:

Another gap is that the first Propraetor of Canada Orientalis--me--
is missing. I was Praetor remotely (I lived 45 miles from its borders)
until someone local--Cicero--could take the position.

No doubt there are other gaps, obviously I am most familiar with my
own history though I have decent overall records of other people as
well. Others should review the archives and annals to ensure their
information is correct while these events are not too far in the
past.

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius

Salvete,

there is a lot of new citizens and the list being rather quiet, it would be a good time
to give your ideas about the Land Project. We have received so far more than 30 answers,
but still not enough to have a good idea of what our citizens want!
It will take you only a few minutes to fill up the form at:

http://www.fr-novaroma.com/Land_Project/public/submission.html

Nova Roma needs your input!!

Valete,

Sextus Apollonius Scipio
NRLand Project


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It is possible to set up a dual boot computer that can
boot up either Linux or Windows. Both Red Hat and
Mandrake Linux have installers that detect a Windows
installation, and offer to set you coumputer up for
Dual boot. With a dual boot computer when you turn it
on you are offered a choice of booting into Linux or
Windows, so you can use Linux for safety from Viruses
and other security problems and still play games on
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--- Adrian Gunn <shinjikun@...> wrote:

> Salve,
>
>
>
> Only one problem for both items #3 and #4..
>
>
>
> Drastically limited software availability.
> Especially games, which we
> all know is what computers are REALLY for.
>
>
>
> OSX - great for Graphic Designers. ("I can run 4
> different Adobe
> applications at the same time! Yay!")
>
> Linux - great for geeks ("My computer never, ever,
> ever, ever, ever,
> ever crashes! Yay!")
>
> Windows - not great for anyone, but that's what the
> rest of us are left
> with.. ("My computer crashes all the time, and has a
> myriad of other
> inexplicable, irritating problems, but I at least my
> software section at
> Bestbuy is more than one shelf. Yay.")
>
>
>
> Valve,
>
>
>
> A not so much enthusiastic as resigned Windows user,
>
>
>
> C. Minucius Hadrianus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Charlie Collins [mailto:cotta@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 1:55 AM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Return to Personal E-Mails
>
>
>
> Salve,
>
> You can add a #4 Buy a Mac w/OSX.
>
>
> Sextus Cornelius Cotta
>
> --
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>
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>

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VERY GOOD IDEA! :-) Me like MUCHO GRANDE! :-)

Publius Tarquitius Rufus
Citizen

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:

> Salve Romans
>
> As a former summer camp director I was wondering if anybody has

given any thought to a Nova Roma summer camp? This is one area that I
thinks we should give serious thought to.

>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

Citizens of Nova Roma,

That's really the first chariot race of the year! And it is available
to members of the Factio Praesina only, the GREEN team, the stronger
team of Nova Roma! (just look at last year's results!)

You all are invited to join the Chariot Race of Factio Praesina! Just
become a member of our victorious factio subscribing our mailing list
at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factiopraesina

The green race on the Circus wait for yours teams! It´s the GREEN
show!
The public waits for your chariots on the sand! You will receive a
nice prize and the recognition of the members of your Factio and the
whole citizenship!

After you joined our Mailing List you can finally send your
inscription to mcserapio@... saying:

- Your Novaroman name
- Chariot name
- Driver Name
- Your Tactics. Choose among:
1 To hurry in the last laps
2 To pass the curves closely the "spina" of the circus.
3 To support a constant pace
4 To lash the rivals
5 To push the rivals to the wall of the circus
6 To hurry in the straight lines

Remember to write in subject line "Ludi Praesina"!!!

Send your chariot and fight for the glory of the victory!! Who will
be the green champion in 2756 AUC?

Be hurry! Inscriptions end on February 18th, next week!!!!

OPTIME VALETE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Dominvs Factionis Praesinae

Me like MUCHO GRANDE! :-)

> Was This intended to be a joke?

Learn Spanish, fellow citizen Publius Tarquitius Rufus!

>

antonius adrianus urcitanus

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher"
> <spqr753@m...>
>
> wrote:
>
> > Salve Romans
>
> >
>
> > As a former summer camp director I was wondering if anybody
> has
>
> given any thought to a Nova Roma summer camp? This is one area
> that I
>
> thinks we should give serious thought to.
>
> >
>
> > Vale
>
> >
>
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
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Fr. Apulus Caesar G. Cornelio Ahenobarbo S.P.D.

> I have been active in the past and am ready to participate with Factio
> Veneta.

Salve Amice, I'l happy to read you again.

> Do I still own the charioteer Flavius Iaculator?

Of course.

> When is the next Ludi?

Megalesia Ludi, from 4th to 10th April. As Senior Curule Aedile I'll be the
organizer.

> I've also developed some Veneta graphics for possible use as icons and
> backgrounds for future Veneta related web projects.

Please, send me their too.

> Also, I'll be out there in the Circus Maximus haranguing the mobs of the
> Factio Veneta.

Good luck!

Vale
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Accensus Consulis Quintilianis
Scriba Curatoris Araneum
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Provincia Italia - http://italia.novaroma.org
Cohors Aedilis F. Apulus Caesar - http://aediles.novaroma.org/apulus
Paterfamilias Gens Apula - www.gensapula.too.it
Academia Italica - http://italia.novaroma.org/academiaitalica
Yahoo Messanger: fapulus

Marinus et omnes--Okay, having looked at Caseo Fabius
Quintillianus' website now, I think I might have an
idea of what Agricola was trying to say.

I looked at the part of the website designated as the
'Financial Plan.' What I saw there was much talk of
global recognition and international participation,
but I saw no numbers, at all.

I may not have been looking in the right place, but
still, I can't seriously regard something as a
financial plan if I see no numbers describing what the
current situation is and how Caseo (or anyone) hopes
to improve those numbers.

Is there a place where one can look at the numbers to
see what is the current financial standing and what is
the minimum amount of funding needed to maintain even
a small plot of land--say 10 acres?

Granted, that figure will vary from country to country
and from place to place within any given country. So,
for the sake of argument, it would help to know
approximately what it would cost in purchase price and
taxes to maintain 10 acres in, say the US or Europe.

---
Renata Corva

=====
Chantal
http://www.theranweyr.org

"Yesterday, it worked.
Today, it is not working.
Windows is like that."

Not to add more fuel to the geek wars, but...

Win 98 crashed several times a week for me. I had to try three or four times each time I wanted to upload pics from my digital camera. My Internet connection was unreliable. I couldn't get a network to work.

Win XP has crashed maybe twice in the year-plus since I've had it, and never in recent memory. It reliably uploads pics on the first try, every time. My Internet connection was reliable. The network works fine with a cable modem and a Win ME laptop.

It's still not perfect, and I did have to discard a scanner (which was pretty junky anyway) because I couldn't get XP drivers for it. And yada yada about Outlook's security issues. But it's definitely improving.

-- Festus

----- Original Message -----
From: Adrian Gunn
Windows - not great for anyone, but that's what the rest of us are left
with.. ("My computer crashes all the time, and has a myriad of other
inexplicable, irritating problems, but I at least my software section at
Bestbuy is more than one shelf. Yay.")


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ave Consul,

You should, most viruses are made for PC machines.

Vale,

Sulla

----- Original Message -----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] viruses all over the place!


Salve Illustrus Senator!

The same is happening to me now. I hope that I will survive as I use
a Macintosh.

>Ave,
>
>I received three today. One from C. Flavius on the Nova Roma Laws
>list. One from Palladius, and one from Scipio Apollonius. However,
>it is my estimation that none of them actually sent it. The new
>virus's are technologically advanced enough to hide the true
>infector.
>
>But I must say that this is nothing compared to the virus's and spam
>I received when I was Consul and Censor. I would get at least 10 a
>day when my email address was tagged with the generic Nova Roma
>addresses.
>
>Vale,
>
>Sulla

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
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Ave

I'm the jerk. Thats a good one.

And I do hope someday to meet you in person. You'll be polite, and no error.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
-----Original Message-----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@...>
[mailto:equitius_marinus@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 11:24 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Quo vadis?


Agricola writes:

[about Caeso Fabius' website]

> I read his website. I agree with his goals, but there are no
> nuts and bolts plans for ACTION. They are mainly just goals.
> And they are just one man's vision.

What Caeso Fabius has there is representative of the vision, the
goals, and the plan that he shares with many of us who convinced
him to run for Consul and who campaigned for him.

> As to your response:
>
> "I guess you weren't paying attention the last time."
>
> No need for insults.

In your case it's hard to be sure. You post your snippy little
one-liners followed by kilobytes of re-quoted material and the
ever present legal office disclaimer which makes the absurd
claim that a mailing list post is a privileged communication
worthy of client-attourney privilege. What are we supposed to
think, other than that you're a trouble maker sniping from the
sidelines?

> Nothing in my original e-mail required the tone you used.

The post I replied to was one in which you brought up an issue
that we'd discussed just a week ago. It was like hearing a broken
record. Furthermore, it was yet another example of you acting
to undermine the dignity and authority of the magistrates and
the Senate.

> I didn't know the senior consul's politcal platform was the
> last word on the subject.

It's a plan. That's what you asked for. If you want to discuss
points in that plan, or to propose alternative ideas, then do so.
But don't continue acting as if no plan exists.

> "Go read about his plan for Nova Roma."
>
> I don't like the tone of this comment, either.

Agricola, there is so much that I don't like about your posts in
general that it would take me hours to write about it. Whether or
not you like my tone would seem to be of the least possible
interest to you, given the way you come across in your posts.

> Its like a command, or an order.

Ya think? Consider the word "arrogatio" and then consider that
I'm an elected curule magistrate.

> I seriously doubt you'd use that tone in person.

If I ever have the misfortune, I may not be as polite as I am here.

> So don't do it here.

In general, I don't. But in your case, every once in a while,
I make a special exception.

We all earn our reputations here. Present yourself as a jerk, and
people will see you as a jerk. You've done that admirably.

-- Marinus


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Salve Renata Omnesque,

thank you for your interest in the NRLandProject.
Answering your question is difficult at this time, even so, I will try my best!!
At this stage, it is simply impossible to give any figures. Before giving figures, costs
and profits, we need to delimit the project in order to limit the needed and unavoidable
legal search concerning taxation, accordances of NR regulation etc.. This task is time,
energy and money consuming.
I have asked our citizens to kindly participate to the poll at:
http://www.fr-novaroma.com/Land_Project/public/submission.html
This is the very beginning of the project. When a majority of citizens will have answered
the poll, we will be able to limit the legal search to the country and to the type of
Land wanted by NR. When the results of the poll will be available and after some
research, it will be possible to give figures about this project . So Citizens, once
again, please participate!!
I hope this will answer your questions and please do not hesitate to contact me for
further informations.

> I looked at the part of the website designated as the
> 'Financial Plan.' What I saw there was much talk of
> global recognition and international participation,
> but I saw no numbers, at all.

Valete,

=====
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Consular Quaestor 2756 AUC
Propraetor Galliae
Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France -- French Translator
Scriba Explorator Primus et Scriba Fiscalis Primus Academiae Thules
NRLandProject, acting Praefectus Pecuniae

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Hello I am new to all this.
Anyone care to help me out. Everything is a bit confusing.

Linda--Hello, and welcome to Nova-Roma! :)

The main list can be quite confusing, with a lot of cnversations
going on that might seem baffling to you, at first. What sort of
Roman topics interest you? We have mailing lists which deal with a
variety of Roman subjects, from cooking, to arts, to the military,
and so on.

If you have questions, please feel free to ask, and someone here will
try to help you--probably several someones. (g)

---
Renata Corva
Rogatrix
Scriba Praetoris

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "thurinius <linda.davidson@h...>"
<linda.davidson@h...> wrote:

> Hello I am new to all this.
> Anyone care to help me out. Everything is a bit confusing.

<<Hello I am new to all this.
Anyone care to help me out. Everything is a bit confusing.>>

Welcome to Nova Roma!

Some useful hints for new citizens can be found at http://www.novaroma.org/newcitizens/

And, as Renata Corvix said, feel free to ask any questions!

Gnaeus Octavius Noricus

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Salve,

By you email address it seems that you reside in the UK. As governor of this province, I will gladly help you out on any queries or questions you may have pertaining to Nova Roma. Please contact me privately with what you want to know and I will do my best to help.

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus
Propraetor Britanniae.

----- Original Message -----
From: thurinius <linda.davidson@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 3:28 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] New


Hello I am new to all this.
Anyone care to help me out. Everything is a bit confusing.



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Sextus Apollonius Scipio--Hello, and thank you for your response. :)

::Nods:: Yes, figures for land and maintenance of it are impossible
to know without knowihg where the land would be bought, etc. I guess
what I'm interested in learning (if possible) is what percentage of
our annual budget goes to the Land Fund and whether or not we are
trying to put that money to work.

I read from Caseo's site that he advises against trying to fund the
Land Project primarily through taxation, as most sensible countries
try to minimize taxation as much as they can manage. I have to agree
with him that keeping taxes low and not depending first on them for
the raising of land money is desirable (even though I recently wrote
a post exhorting the payment of taxes to aid with this). But I don't
know how profitable other fund-raising ventures are.

Anyway, I did comment in the poll. Thanks for creating that!

---
Renata Corva

§A gold mine threatens a great archaeological site§

A Canadian firm, Gabriel Resources, will open a gold, silver and
uranium mine which will destroy several important archaeological
sites in Romania. The choosen place for what will be the biggest
European opencast mine is Rosia Montana, the Roman Alburnus Maior, on
the Apuseni mountains.

The mining activity in this area is thousands of years old. Several
mines of the II century B.C. can still be partly travelled over.

Besides iron ores, Rosia Montana is famous in European archaeology
because of epigraphical evidence found there. Just two year ago, a
Frech-German team discovered funeral steles and a large number of
Roman altars with votive inscriptions.

The Canadian project even provides for the complete destruction of
the actual center (which will be re-built elsewhere...) with its
monuments (eight churches and nine graveyards) and its archaeological
strata.
Here they will settle one of the four shafts provided for.

The Rosia Montana valley is part of the national protected Property.
An international campaign is underway to save the ancient evidences
of that area. This campaign involves Rumanian archaeologists like
Gheorghe Lazarovici (Univesrity of Cluj), Marius Ciuta (University of
Alba Iulia), Sabin Luca (University of Sibiu). The mobilization
culminated with an appeal to the highest national authorities by 83
academics of the Academy of Economic Studies of the University of
Bucarest, in order to stop this operation. In fact, according to a
close examination, this project would not even provide the populace
with relevant economic advantages.

The World Bank has already announced, through the International
Finance Corporation (IFC), that they will not finance the project of
the Gabriel Resources: James Wohfensohn, the president of the World
Bank, intervened directly to block the loan.

The gold of this area of the Carpathians has been mined and traded in
the whole of Europe since prehistory. Trajan's column shows the Roman
occupation of the Apuseni mountains. It was a conquest which led to
Rome so much gold that its price was depressed for decades. Even with
this depreciated price the sheer amount of gold provided for the
financing of ambitious projects like the construction of the
amphitheatre in Verona.

The project of Gabriel Resources provides for the forced transfer of
2,000 people: most of them are actually employed in more than 700
farms. Production processes using cyanide, which has already
caused a lot of ecological disasters, and which are illegal in the
rest of Europe, are proposed. Just consider that about 196.4 million
tons of cyanide waste will be created. A real ecological predicament
is
looming, and unfortunately it would not be something new in Romania.
In fact, with the same mining process in another mine in Baia Mare,
water for 2,500,000 people was contaminated.

For further information go to http://www.rosiamontana.org

What we ask you is to simply sign this petition to the Government of
Romania: http://www.petitiononline.com/apuseni/petition.html

Please do that! It's very important! We must try to do our best to
assist in saving Alburnus Maior and avoiding this ecological
catastrophe!

Hi Linda and everyone,

My husband and I are both new also. I am pagan and I love and worship
Minerva, Vulcan, Diana, and Poseidon. My husband and I LOVE Latin and are
grateful for a place to use it.

Salve,

Minervina Varia Rutila


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