Ave,

That is good news. I hope the new edicts will not include temples that dont exist and secret police forces. I hope the edicts will be properly defined and objective with clear and concise language that will be enforceable without prejudice.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <equitius_marinus@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 3:06 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: An Agreement Between Aediles and Praetores


Gnaeus Salix Astur writes:

> We (the praetores) have spent the last couple of days talking with
> the aediles about their latest edicta. At the same time at which the
> tribuni plebis issued their intercessio, we had reached an
> agreement.

[Text of agreement snipped]

I am fully committed to the agreement that the Praetors and I
made earlier this afternoon. I expect that once my Curule
Aedilean colleague can be reached that he will agree to it
as well.

-- Marinus


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My short stories about Cleopatra's daughter by Marc Antony,
Cleopatra Selene, will soon be exapanded into a novel and audio play
as soon as I complete the present novel on private eye Petronious,
the ransomer. But here's some facts that were never part of
Hollywood that would make an interesting script. Most people have
seen or read about Cleopatra's son from Julius Caesar, Caesarion.
The little boy was hunted down by Octavius shortly after the demise
of Cleopatra and Marc Antony, and before her slaves could get him on
the galley bound for India, he was done away with so there would be
no son of Caesar to claim his Roman heritage.....

But everybody overlooked Cleopatra's baby girl, as girls weren't
written much into history. So here's the story, in case writers want
to have a field day with this warrior woman of the Sahara. Soon
after Marc Antony's and Cleopatra's death, Octavius hunted all her
children, but he favored the daughters and did away with the boy.
Little was known about the young daughter Cleopatra had with Marc
Antony, as he wasn't an heir in line for the power that be in Rome.

So, the little girl, Cleopatra Selene, daughter of Cleopatra and
Antony, was hurried away to Africa where she was married in
childhood to an African king. The king's name was Juba II of
Numidia. Now my present novel focuses on Masinissa of Numidia who
lived more than 100 years before Cleopatra, but my stories target
Juba II and his marriage to Cleopatra's little girl who looked like
Marc Antony. She had a reputation as a warrior women out to save her
people, and once married to the king of Numidia (modern Algeria) she
had a very different relationship with Rome than her mother.

JUBA II., son of Juba I was a young man when he married Cleopatra
Selene. Her fate was much luckier than her Macedonian Queen of
Eygpt, mother. Said to have flaming red hair like Macedonian
Alexander the Great, Cleopatra Selene was known as the Roman-
Alexandran wife of an African king. She was compared to Queen Bodica
of the Celts in Britain in looks--a tall, willowy redhead whose
mother was the Queen of Eygpt, but who had the looks of a Macedonian
woman warrior.

On the death of his father in 46 B.C. Juba was carried to Rome to
grace Caesar's triumph. He seems to have received a good education
under the care of Augustus (Octavian) who, in 29, after Mark
Antony's death, gave him the hand of Cleopatra Selene, daughter of
Antony and Cleopatra, and placed him on his father's throne. Later,
however, he transferred him from Numidia to Mauretania, to which was
added a part of Gaetulia (see NUMIDIA).

Most of the people at Cleopatra Selen's court were Mauretanians and
other West Africans as well as the native Berbers of Numidia which
is modern Algeria, and some Cartheginian colonists of Phoenician
origin. Juba reigned in prosperity.

By the year 6 of the common era, the Gaetulians rose in a revolt of
importance to afford the surname Gaetulicus to Cornelius Lentulus
Cossus, the Roman general who helped to suppress it. The date of
Juba's death occurred between A.D. 19 and 24 (Strabo, xvii. 828; Dio
Cassius, Ii. 15; liii. 26; Plutarch, Ant. 87; Caesar, 55).

Juba, according to Pliny, who constantly refers to him, is mainly
memorable for his' writings. He has been called the African Varro.
So what a wonderful novel, story or play would follow Cleopatra's
daughter and how she became a heroine in Africa and a wife of honor
to her husband, Juba, the African king of Numidia. She had a happy
life in Africa and remained far from the Roman connections that her
mother incurred. Interestingly, she may have come in contact with
Jesus during his early years on the chance they met in Egypt around
25 CE, or on her journeys after Juba's death when she was left a
young widow fond of traveling to discover her roots and beyond.

Now, my question: Cleopatra had four daughters. All four were
married to different African kings. Anyone know who married which
king? I know about Cleopatra Selene, but what about the others? The
four were daughters of Marc Antony and Cleopatra and all were sent
to different parts of Africa to live with four different kings.
Anyone know the actual fates of these four sisters?

Octavia Fabia Scriba
http://reminsicencemedia.tripod.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RomanScribes/

Salve Quirites!

I have also been a party to these discussions during a couple of days
and just waited for one or two of the edicta to be withdrawn.

I share the ambition of the Praetores to "increase the meaning" of
the aedilician office. Because of the discussions that have been held
I offer to present a possible proposal to the people in the name of
our two Curule Aediles, as long as the Consuls, Praetores and
Tribunes have had their say and the proposal is good enough.

I know that our Curule Aediles are honorable and hard working men, I
think that their work will end up with an excellent proposal and all
this will prove to have been for the betterment of Nova Roma and the
rights of the Populus Romanus!

>2.- The praetores agree to help the aediles to write a *legislative
>draft* that brings the aedilitas closer to its historical
>counterpart. A consensum draft will then be presented to the consules
>and the tribuni plebis, who will, if such is their will, present it
>to the People through a vote on the Comitia.

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Salve

I do have over 25 years experience in writing grant proposals in the USA.

Re:
PS does anybody here have experience writing grant proposals in the USA or
the
EU

Marcus Cornelius Felix





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Salvete Honorable Gaius Basilicatus Agricola!

You ask were the Consuls are. You may have been busy, but I
contributed to this discussion only two days ago, on Saturday.

But You see these first months are really very busy for the Consuls.
I had to work on the Budget and a Senate meeting in January and
nearly didn't sleep at all. Now my colleague holds the fasces and is
working on preparing the collection of taxes. During this month I am
working, together with my Cohors on some very needed legislation. I
think that You risk to underestimate the burden of the Consuls and
our creativeness. I hope to make You think higher of us when we have
done most of the routine work in the beginning of the year, but
remember that the end of the year is also full of routines. There are
also many other difficulties for the Consuls such as rules about when
to hold Senate meetings and Comitia. I think that the Roman
"Constitution" was created thus to prevent too many things happen too
fast. So please have patience with us we are just following the
tradition! ;-)

>see no point in this endeavor. Where are the Consuls in this debate? Where
>is the Senate? The tribunes? It would appear that NR has reached its maximum
>potential: an e-mail yahoo! group.
>
>Vale
>
>Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
>Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
>Legate Major for Regio Campus
>America Medioccidentalis Superior Province

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Thank you. Certainyl any proposal needs the weight of citizens behind it. A
poll would be nice. I have no idea how to do it
-----Original Message-----
From: A. Apollonius Cordus [mailto:cordus@...]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?


A. Apollonius Cordus to C. Basilicatus Agricola Scribe
& Legate, greetings.

You asked:

> Where are the Consuls in this debate? Where
> is the Senate? The tribunes?

With respect, sir, I would respond by asking, 'have
you made any formal petition or representation to the
Consuls, the Senate or the Tribunes? Or, have you even
asked any of these people or groups informally but
directly in such a way that might allow them to know
they are being asked?'

The forum is a public gathering-place where anyone can
say anything they like, and standing on an orange-box
repeating 'we need a plan' is not, however accurate it
may be, a formal petition to any competent authority
to do anything. This is a forum where you can persuade
other ordinary citizens of your point of view, and
many have been persuaded. But it isn't a mechanism for
filing formal requests for governmental action.

Unfortunately, a formal petition is unlikely to get
very far if one's only request is that there be a
plan. Still, I suppose one could at least get a formal
acceptance from the Senate or whoever of the need for
a plan. But it's true here as in most democratic
states that nothing much will happen until people have
definite proposals. Nova Roma has no precedent for
setting up special committees or other bodies to look
into particular issues and come back with their
recommendations - it's up to the initiative of private
individuals or of magistrates.

It is difficult for someone in the situation of
yourself or mine to achieve what you are trying to
achieve. My only helpful suggestions, I'm afraid, are
that you put a formal petition to whoever you think
appropriate to get at least a formal recognition of
the need for a plan of some kind, and that you could
perhaps form a committee of your own, a NGO if you
like, perhaps on a new e-mail list, consisting of
yourself and other interested citizens who could
discuss ideas and formulate concrete proposals to
submit to the Senate or the Consuls for consideration.

Yours in a spirit of helpfulness,

Cordus

=====


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Ave Senator!

I have the highest regard for all elected officials in Nova Roma. All I
humbly ask is that I be appointed to present a proposed five year plan to
the Senate, et al.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province


-----Original Message-----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus [mailto:christer.edling@...]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 6:43 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?


Salvete Honorable Gaius Basilicatus Agricola!

You ask were the Consuls are. You may have been busy, but I
contributed to this discussion only two days ago, on Saturday.

But You see these first months are really very busy for the Consuls.
I had to work on the Budget and a Senate meeting in January and
nearly didn't sleep at all. Now my colleague holds the fasces and is
working on preparing the collection of taxes. During this month I am
working, together with my Cohors on some very needed legislation. I
think that You risk to underestimate the burden of the Consuls and
our creativeness. I hope to make You think higher of us when we have
done most of the routine work in the beginning of the year, but
remember that the end of the year is also full of routines. There are
also many other difficulties for the Consuls such as rules about when
to hold Senate meetings and Comitia. I think that the Roman
"Constitution" was created thus to prevent too many things happen too
fast. So please have patience with us we are just following the
tradition! ;-)

>see no point in this endeavor. Where are the Consuls in this debate?

Where

>is the Senate? The tribunes? It would appear that NR has reached its

maximum

>potential: an e-mail yahoo! group.
>
>Vale
>

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province


--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness


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It sounds great, Scriba!

Ever give any thought to donating any of the proceeds of your books to Nova
Roma?

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
-----Original Message-----
From: biojournalism <biojournalism@...>
[mailto:biojournalism@...]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 4:51 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] (unknown)


My short stories about Cleopatra's daughter by Marc Antony,
Cleopatra Selene, will soon be exapanded into a novel and audio play
as soon as I complete the present novel on private eye Petronious,
the ransomer. But here's some facts that were never part of
Hollywood that would make an interesting script. Most people have
seen or read about Cleopatra's son from Julius Caesar, Caesarion.
The little boy was hunted down by Octavius shortly after the demise
of Cleopatra and Marc Antony, and before her slaves could get him on
the galley bound for India, he was done away with so there would be
no son of Caesar to claim his Roman heritage.....

But everybody overlooked Cleopatra's baby girl, as girls weren't
written much into history. So here's the story, in case writers want
to have a field day with this warrior woman of the Sahara. Soon
after Marc Antony's and Cleopatra's death, Octavius hunted all her
children, but he favored the daughters and did away with the boy.
Little was known about the young daughter Cleopatra had with Marc
Antony, as he wasn't an heir in line for the power that be in Rome.

So, the little girl, Cleopatra Selene, daughter of Cleopatra and
Antony, was hurried away to Africa where she was married in
childhood to an African king. The king's name was Juba II of
Numidia. Now my present novel focuses on Masinissa of Numidia who
lived more than 100 years before Cleopatra, but my stories target
Juba II and his marriage to Cleopatra's little girl who looked like
Marc Antony. She had a reputation as a warrior women out to save her
people, and once married to the king of Numidia (modern Algeria) she
had a very different relationship with Rome than her mother.

JUBA II., son of Juba I was a young man when he married Cleopatra
Selene. Her fate was much luckier than her Macedonian Queen of
Eygpt, mother. Said to have flaming red hair like Macedonian
Alexander the Great, Cleopatra Selene was known as the Roman-
Alexandran wife of an African king. She was compared to Queen Bodica
of the Celts in Britain in looks--a tall, willowy redhead whose
mother was the Queen of Eygpt, but who had the looks of a Macedonian
woman warrior.

On the death of his father in 46 B.C. Juba was carried to Rome to
grace Caesar's triumph. He seems to have received a good education
under the care of Augustus (Octavian) who, in 29, after Mark
Antony's death, gave him the hand of Cleopatra Selene, daughter of
Antony and Cleopatra, and placed him on his father's throne. Later,
however, he transferred him from Numidia to Mauretania, to which was
added a part of Gaetulia (see NUMIDIA).

Most of the people at Cleopatra Selen's court were Mauretanians and
other West Africans as well as the native Berbers of Numidia which
is modern Algeria, and some Cartheginian colonists of Phoenician
origin. Juba reigned in prosperity.

By the year 6 of the common era, the Gaetulians rose in a revolt of
importance to afford the surname Gaetulicus to Cornelius Lentulus
Cossus, the Roman general who helped to suppress it. The date of
Juba's death occurred between A.D. 19 and 24 (Strabo, xvii. 828; Dio
Cassius, Ii. 15; liii. 26; Plutarch, Ant. 87; Caesar, 55).

Juba, according to Pliny, who constantly refers to him, is mainly
memorable for his' writings. He has been called the African Varro.
So what a wonderful novel, story or play would follow Cleopatra's
daughter and how she became a heroine in Africa and a wife of honor
to her husband, Juba, the African king of Numidia. She had a happy
life in Africa and remained far from the Roman connections that her
mother incurred. Interestingly, she may have come in contact with
Jesus during his early years on the chance they met in Egypt around
25 CE, or on her journeys after Juba's death when she was left a
young widow fond of traveling to discover her roots and beyond.

Now, my question: Cleopatra had four daughters. All four were
married to different African kings. Anyone know who married which
king? I know about Cleopatra Selene, but what about the others? The
four were daughters of Marc Antony and Cleopatra and all were sent
to different parts of Africa to live with four different kings.
Anyone know the actual fates of these four sisters?

Octavia Fabia Scriba
http://reminsicencemedia.tripod.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/RomanScribes/


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Ave,

Why dont you email a few citizens who you think would be willing to assist you in developing a plan....Then between the 3-5 of you...you could formulate your objectives and an agenda to accomplish your objectives. Then when that rough draft is complete...you could then send it to the Consuls for their input and consideration?

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 4:59 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?


Thank you. Certainyl any proposal needs the weight of citizens behind it. A
poll would be nice. I have no idea how to do it
-----Original Message-----
From: A. Apollonius Cordus [mailto:cordus@...]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?


A. Apollonius Cordus to C. Basilicatus Agricola Scribe
& Legate, greetings.

You asked:
> Where are the Consuls in this debate? Where
> is the Senate? The tribunes?

With respect, sir, I would respond by asking, 'have
you made any formal petition or representation to the
Consuls, the Senate or the Tribunes? Or, have you even
asked any of these people or groups informally but
directly in such a way that might allow them to know
they are being asked?'

The forum is a public gathering-place where anyone can
say anything they like, and standing on an orange-box
repeating 'we need a plan' is not, however accurate it
may be, a formal petition to any competent authority
to do anything. This is a forum where you can persuade
other ordinary citizens of your point of view, and
many have been persuaded. But it isn't a mechanism for
filing formal requests for governmental action.

Unfortunately, a formal petition is unlikely to get
very far if one's only request is that there be a
plan. Still, I suppose one could at least get a formal
acceptance from the Senate or whoever of the need for
a plan. But it's true here as in most democratic
states that nothing much will happen until people have
definite proposals. Nova Roma has no precedent for
setting up special committees or other bodies to look
into particular issues and come back with their
recommendations - it's up to the initiative of private
individuals or of magistrates.

It is difficult for someone in the situation of
yourself or mine to achieve what you are trying to
achieve. My only helpful suggestions, I'm afraid, are
that you put a formal petition to whoever you think
appropriate to get at least a formal recognition of
the need for a plan of some kind, and that you could
perhaps form a committee of your own, a NGO if you
like, perhaps on a new e-mail list, consisting of
yourself and other interested citizens who could
discuss ideas and formulate concrete proposals to
submit to the Senate or the Consuls for consideration.

Yours in a spirit of helpfulness,

Cordus

=====


www.strategikon.org


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Deal.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
-----Original Message-----
From: L. Cornelius Sulla [mailto:alexious@...]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:05 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?


Ave,

Why dont you email a few citizens who you think would be willing to assist
you in developing a plan....Then between the 3-5 of you...you could
formulate your objectives and an agenda to accomplish your objectives. Then
when that rough draft is complete...you could then send it to the Consuls
for their input and consideration?

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 4:59 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?


Thank you. Certainyl any proposal needs the weight of citizens behind
it. A
poll would be nice. I have no idea how to do it
-----Original Message-----
From: A. Apollonius Cordus [mailto:cordus@...]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?


A. Apollonius Cordus to C. Basilicatus Agricola Scribe
& Legate, greetings.

You asked:
> Where are the Consuls in this debate? Where
> is the Senate? The tribunes?

With respect, sir, I would respond by asking, 'have
you made any formal petition or representation to the
Consuls, the Senate or the Tribunes? Or, have you even
asked any of these people or groups informally but
directly in such a way that might allow them to know
they are being asked?'

The forum is a public gathering-place where anyone can
say anything they like, and standing on an orange-box
repeating 'we need a plan' is not, however accurate it
may be, a formal petition to any competent authority
to do anything. This is a forum where you can persuade
other ordinary citizens of your point of view, and
many have been persuaded. But it isn't a mechanism for
filing formal requests for governmental action.

Unfortunately, a formal petition is unlikely to get
very far if one's only request is that there be a
plan. Still, I suppose one could at least get a formal
acceptance from the Senate or whoever of the need for
a plan. But it's true here as in most democratic
states that nothing much will happen until people have
definite proposals. Nova Roma has no precedent for
setting up special committees or other bodies to look
into particular issues and come back with their
recommendations - it's up to the initiative of private
individuals or of magistrates.

It is difficult for someone in the situation of
yourself or mine to achieve what you are trying to
achieve. My only helpful suggestions, I'm afraid, are
that you put a formal petition to whoever you think
appropriate to get at least a formal recognition of
the need for a plan of some kind, and that you could
perhaps form a committee of your own, a NGO if you
like, perhaps on a new e-mail list, consisting of
yourself and other interested citizens who could
discuss ideas and formulate concrete proposals to
submit to the Senate or the Consuls for consideration.

Yours in a spirit of helpfulness,

Cordus

=====


www.strategikon.org


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Ave Gaius Basilicatus,

One should not be appointed to a position for that purpose. It just adds to the bureaucratic non-sense. Get a group of people together and as citizens draw up a proposal once you got the rough angles drafted out..then send it to the Consuls for their input.

One does not need to be a titled "somebody" to draft an agenda item.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?


Ave Senator!

I have the highest regard for all elected officials in Nova Roma. All I
humbly ask is that I be appointed to present a proposed five year plan to
the Senate, et al.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province


-----Original Message-----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus [mailto:christer.edling@...]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 6:43 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?


Salvete Honorable Gaius Basilicatus Agricola!

You ask were the Consuls are. You may have been busy, but I
contributed to this discussion only two days ago, on Saturday.

But You see these first months are really very busy for the Consuls.
I had to work on the Budget and a Senate meeting in January and
nearly didn't sleep at all. Now my colleague holds the fasces and is
working on preparing the collection of taxes. During this month I am
working, together with my Cohors on some very needed legislation. I
think that You risk to underestimate the burden of the Consuls and
our creativeness. I hope to make You think higher of us when we have
done most of the routine work in the beginning of the year, but
remember that the end of the year is also full of routines. There are
also many other difficulties for the Consuls such as rules about when
to hold Senate meetings and Comitia. I think that the Roman
"Constitution" was created thus to prevent too many things happen too
fast. So please have patience with us we are just following the
tradition! ;-)


>see no point in this endeavor. Where are the Consuls in this debate?
Where
>is the Senate? The tribunes? It would appear that NR has reached its
maximum
>potential: an e-mail yahoo! group.
>
>Vale
>

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province


--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
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Excellent. If there is anything I can do to assist you please feel free to contact me @ alexious@... or at my work addy @ robertcw@....

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 5:08 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?


Deal.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
-----Original Message-----
From: L. Cornelius Sulla [mailto:alexious@...]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:05 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?


Ave,

Why dont you email a few citizens who you think would be willing to assist
you in developing a plan....Then between the 3-5 of you...you could
formulate your objectives and an agenda to accomplish your objectives. Then
when that rough draft is complete...you could then send it to the Consuls
for their input and consideration?

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 4:59 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?


Thank you. Certainyl any proposal needs the weight of citizens behind
it. A
poll would be nice. I have no idea how to do it
-----Original Message-----
From: A. Apollonius Cordus [mailto:cordus@...]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 12:51 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?


A. Apollonius Cordus to C. Basilicatus Agricola Scribe
& Legate, greetings.

You asked:
> Where are the Consuls in this debate? Where
> is the Senate? The tribunes?

With respect, sir, I would respond by asking, 'have
you made any formal petition or representation to the
Consuls, the Senate or the Tribunes? Or, have you even
asked any of these people or groups informally but
directly in such a way that might allow them to know
they are being asked?'

The forum is a public gathering-place where anyone can
say anything they like, and standing on an orange-box
repeating 'we need a plan' is not, however accurate it
may be, a formal petition to any competent authority
to do anything. This is a forum where you can persuade
other ordinary citizens of your point of view, and
many have been persuaded. But it isn't a mechanism for
filing formal requests for governmental action.

Unfortunately, a formal petition is unlikely to get
very far if one's only request is that there be a
plan. Still, I suppose one could at least get a formal
acceptance from the Senate or whoever of the need for
a plan. But it's true here as in most democratic
states that nothing much will happen until people have
definite proposals. Nova Roma has no precedent for
setting up special committees or other bodies to look
into particular issues and come back with their
recommendations - it's up to the initiative of private
individuals or of magistrates.

It is difficult for someone in the situation of
yourself or mine to achieve what you are trying to
achieve. My only helpful suggestions, I'm afraid, are
that you put a formal petition to whoever you think
appropriate to get at least a formal recognition of
the need for a plan of some kind, and that you could
perhaps form a committee of your own, a NGO if you
like, perhaps on a new e-mail list, consisting of
yourself and other interested citizens who could
discuss ideas and formulate concrete proposals to
submit to the Senate or the Consuls for consideration.

Yours in a spirit of helpfulness,

Cordus

=====


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damnit.
-----Original Message-----
From: L. Cornelius Sulla [mailto:alexious@...]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:07 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?


Ave Gaius Basilicatus,

One should not be appointed to a position for that purpose. It just adds
to the bureaucratic non-sense. Get a group of people together and as
citizens draw up a proposal once you got the rough angles drafted out..then
send it to the Consuls for their input.

One does not need to be a titled "somebody" to draft an agenda item.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?


Ave Senator!

I have the highest regard for all elected officials in Nova Roma. All I
humbly ask is that I be appointed to present a proposed five year plan
to
the Senate, et al.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province


-----Original Message-----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus [mailto:christer.edling@...]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 6:43 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?


Salvete Honorable Gaius Basilicatus Agricola!

You ask were the Consuls are. You may have been busy, but I
contributed to this discussion only two days ago, on Saturday.

But You see these first months are really very busy for the Consuls.
I had to work on the Budget and a Senate meeting in January and
nearly didn't sleep at all. Now my colleague holds the fasces and is
working on preparing the collection of taxes. During this month I am
working, together with my Cohors on some very needed legislation. I
think that You risk to underestimate the burden of the Consuls and
our creativeness. I hope to make You think higher of us when we have
done most of the routine work in the beginning of the year, but
remember that the end of the year is also full of routines. There are
also many other difficulties for the Consuls such as rules about when
to hold Senate meetings and Comitia. I think that the Roman
"Constitution" was created thus to prevent too many things happen too
fast. So please have patience with us we are just following the
tradition! ;-)


>see no point in this endeavor. Where are the Consuls in this debate?
Where
>is the Senate? The tribunes? It would appear that NR has reached its
maximum
>potential: an e-mail yahoo! group.
>
>Vale
>

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province


--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness


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Marcus Cornelius Felix writes:

> PS does anybody here have experience writing grant proposals
> in the USA or the EU

I do, but not in the humanities. Since Nova Roma isn't going
to be proposing any space-based astronomy any time soon, I think
my experience wouldn't be especially useful.

-- Marinus

Ave Consul,

Just a slight correction to your post. You worked on a budget addendum. The official budget was completed last year during the Consulship of M. Octavius and myself.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

----- Original Message -----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 4:43 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?


Salvete Honorable Gaius Basilicatus Agricola!

You ask were the Consuls are. You may have been busy, but I
contributed to this discussion only two days ago, on Saturday.

But You see these first months are really very busy for the Consuls.
I had to work on the Budget and a Senate meeting in January and
nearly didn't sleep at all. Now my colleague holds the fasces and is
working on preparing the collection of taxes. During this month I am
working, together with my Cohors on some very needed legislation. I
think that You risk to underestimate the burden of the Consuls and
our creativeness. I hope to make You think higher of us when we have
done most of the routine work in the beginning of the year, but
remember that the end of the year is also full of routines. There are
also many other difficulties for the Consuls such as rules about when
to hold Senate meetings and Comitia. I think that the Roman
"Constitution" was created thus to prevent too many things happen too
fast. So please have patience with us we are just following the
tradition! ;-)


>see no point in this endeavor. Where are the Consuls in this debate? Where
>is the Senate? The tribunes? It would appear that NR has reached its maximum
>potential: an e-mail yahoo! group.
>
>Vale
>
>Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
>Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
>Legate Major for Regio Campus
>America Medioccidentalis Superior Province

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness


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Ave,

I apologize for bursting your bubble...but look at the problems we are now encountering with so many titles...

Our Senior Consul had difficulties with his first Senate call.

Now our two Curule Aediles who are also serving as subordinate magistrates tried to draft 4 very poorly written edicts.

Just do what you can with the gifts that the Gods have given you and do not give yourself so much responsibility that you cannot get anything done...or cannot do anything well.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 5:18 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?


damnit.
-----Original Message-----
From: L. Cornelius Sulla [mailto:alexious@...]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:07 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?


Ave Gaius Basilicatus,

One should not be appointed to a position for that purpose. It just adds
to the bureaucratic non-sense. Get a group of people together and as
citizens draw up a proposal once you got the rough angles drafted out..then
send it to the Consuls for their input.

One does not need to be a titled "somebody" to draft an agenda item.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?


Ave Senator!

I have the highest regard for all elected officials in Nova Roma. All I
humbly ask is that I be appointed to present a proposed five year plan
to
the Senate, et al.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province


-----Original Message-----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus [mailto:christer.edling@...]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 6:43 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?


Salvete Honorable Gaius Basilicatus Agricola!

You ask were the Consuls are. You may have been busy, but I
contributed to this discussion only two days ago, on Saturday.

But You see these first months are really very busy for the Consuls.
I had to work on the Budget and a Senate meeting in January and
nearly didn't sleep at all. Now my colleague holds the fasces and is
working on preparing the collection of taxes. During this month I am
working, together with my Cohors on some very needed legislation. I
think that You risk to underestimate the burden of the Consuls and
our creativeness. I hope to make You think higher of us when we have
done most of the routine work in the beginning of the year, but
remember that the end of the year is also full of routines. There are
also many other difficulties for the Consuls such as rules about when
to hold Senate meetings and Comitia. I think that the Roman
"Constitution" was created thus to prevent too many things happen too
fast. So please have patience with us we are just following the
tradition! ;-)


>see no point in this endeavor. Where are the Consuls in this debate?
Where
>is the Senate? The tribunes? It would appear that NR has reached its
maximum
>potential: an e-mail yahoo! group.
>
>Vale
>

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province


--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness


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To get this started I have set up a Yahoo Group for
discussing fundraising.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sestertius/

Once this group comes up with a plan I will personally
bring it to the attention of the Consuls and the
Senate. I'm not promising I'll support the plan, I'll
have to see it before I decide that, but regardless of
my views I will present it.

Gaius Basilicatus, as soon as you join the group I'll
appoint you as it's modarator.

L. Sicinius Drusus
Senator

--- jlasalle <jlasalle@...> wrote:

> Deal.
>
> Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
> Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
> Legate Major for Regio Campus
> America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
> -----Original Message-----
> From: L. Cornelius Sulla
> [mailto:alexious@...]
> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:05 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
>
>
> Ave,
>
> Why dont you email a few citizens who you think
> would be willing to assist
> you in developing a plan....Then between the 3-5 of
> you...you could
> formulate your objectives and an agenda to
> accomplish your objectives. Then
> when that rough draft is complete...you could then
> send it to the Consuls
> for their input and consideration?
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jlasalle
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 4:59 PM
> Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
>
>
> Thank you. Certainyl any proposal needs the
> weight of citizens behind
> it. A
> poll would be nice. I have no idea how to do it
> -----Original Message-----
> From: A. Apollonius Cordus
> [mailto:cordus@...]
> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 12:51 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?
>
>
> A. Apollonius Cordus to C. Basilicatus
> Agricola Scribe
> & Legate, greetings.
>
> You asked:
> > Where are the Consuls in this debate? Where
> > is the Senate? The tribunes?
>
> With respect, sir, I would respond by asking,
> 'have
> you made any formal petition or representation
> to the
> Consuls, the Senate or the Tribunes? Or, have
> you even
> asked any of these people or groups informally
> but
> directly in such a way that might allow them
> to know
> they are being asked?'
>
> The forum is a public gathering-place where
> anyone can
> say anything they like, and standing on an
> orange-box
> repeating 'we need a plan' is not, however
> accurate it
> may be, a formal petition to any competent
> authority
> to do anything. This is a forum where you can
> persuade
> other ordinary citizens of your point of view,
> and
> many have been persuaded. But it isn't a
> mechanism for
> filing formal requests for governmental
> action.
>
> Unfortunately, a formal petition is unlikely
> to get
> very far if one's only request is that there
> be a
> plan. Still, I suppose one could at least get
> a formal
> acceptance from the Senate or whoever of the
> need for
> a plan. But it's true here as in most
> democratic
> states that nothing much will happen until
> people have
> definite proposals. Nova Roma has no precedent
> for
> setting up special committees or other bodies
> to look
> into particular issues and come back with
> their
> recommendations - it's up to the initiative of
> private
> individuals or of magistrates.
>
> It is difficult for someone in the situation
> of
> yourself or mine to achieve what you are
> trying to
> achieve. My only helpful suggestions, I'm
> afraid, are
> that you put a formal petition to whoever you
> think
> appropriate to get at least a formal
> recognition of
> the need for a plan of some kind, and that you
> could
> perhaps form a committee of your own, a NGO if
> you
> like, perhaps on a new e-mail list, consisting
> of
> yourself and other interested citizens who
> could
> discuss ideas and formulate concrete proposals
> to
> submit to the Senate or the Consuls for
> consideration.
>
> Yours in a spirit of helpfulness,
>
> Cordus
>
> =====
>
>
> www.strategikon.org
>
>
>
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I come before you to give you a most sincere welcome to Nova Roma. My
apologies for not greeting each of you individually, but I am often away
on other commitments when new citizens announce themselves. However, I
assure you that does not make my welcome to you any less sincere.

Many people who discover Nova Roma wonder what it really is and after
joining still have many questions. The purpose of this message is to
attempt to answer some of those questions, and provide for those who
have the questions a kind of path to follow to find the answers.

To begin with, in order to understand Nova Roma (NR) you must think of
the organization not as a club or a reenactment unit (we have both) but
rather as a nation currently without land. We have no physical
structures and we meet face-to-face at odd and periodic times and
places, as meetings and events are arranged. These not as often as we
would like perhaps, but we are doing better.

NR is a micronation as opposed to a Macronation and it has it's own
Constitution and Laws. It has an Academia, and it has a variety of
clubs (Sodalitas) for people of given and specific interests.

Our Main Line of Communication is the Main List, but there are also
other lists which are used for a more specific kind of communication
such as between those of a given Province or a given language /
philosophy. These clubs are all related to NR In some way either as
having Senate approval, awaiting Senate approval, or in the process of
organizing for Senate approval. There are a number of Roman Reenactment
Legions and Units which are sponsored by NR.

We hold Annual elections for our Senior Magistrates (Consuls Tribunes,
Censors, Praetors, Quaestors and Aediles, as well as some specialized
Magistrates. The Lesser Magistrates are appointed or continued in their
positions (Provincial ProPraetors. Praetors and Proconsuls) by the
decision of the Senate.

The Senate is a body of men and women who have shown a more than average
interest in Nova Roma or have been placed in the Senate by election to a
Senior Magistrate's Position. The Senate receives petitions and
proposals for change and / or betterment and discusses them, then vote
for them on a Consular agenda. These votes set the policies which
decide upon the direction in which the micronation will go. Senate
deliberations normally take place anywhere from four to ten times per
year, and the Tribunes announce to the Citizens the Agenda Items before
the Senate and the results of the Senate vote.

Consuls, Tribunes and Praetors have Imperium. other Magistrates do not.
We also have a set of laws which have been drawn up and voted on by the
NR Citizens as they have been seen to be necessary.

On the NR Website (NovaRoma.org) you will finds references to all of the
above points. I have provided for you a basic skeleton of NR. It is
now for you to "flesh out" by reading the Constitution and the Lex List
(Laws), and to pursue you interests in this micronation, as they are
provided for, or as you wish to establish them. When you have done so,
then I welcome your further questions, and I shall endeavor to answer
them, as I can, or failing that; I will refer you to someone who can.

Another important item is that NR is a place which recognizes Pagan
Religion. The Religio Romano is practised here, and the Magistrates are
pledged to respect such. They do not have to take part in this set of
beliefs, but they MUST respect it. The Religio has a College of
Pontiffs and a Pontifex Maximus which speaks for the College.

Now it is your turn to do some reading and research into this new
micronation and perhaps formulate some questions from that study to have
an been clearer understanding of this micronation that you have entered.

Enjoy yourself, and keep foremost in your mind that you are a Citizen or
a soon-to-be Citizen, and a very important person, since you have the
power to elect your Magitrates, and have a say who will serve in the
Senate. The second thing to remember, is that this is YOUR micronation,
and you have the right to express your opinion about the direction in
which it will go.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Senator -- Nova Roma

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary

Ave,

For the record my grant writing experience has been in the venue of humanities and public policy. I do know for certain that the public policy grants were successful in receiving funds. I was only involved in the humanities grant writing for a short while because I granduated.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

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Marcus Cornelius Felix writes:

> PS does anybody here have experience writing grant proposals
> in the USA or the EU

I do, but not in the humanities. Since Nova Roma isn't going
to be proposing any space-based astronomy any time soon, I think
my experience wouldn't be especially useful.

-- Marinus


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http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/challenge.html

http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/collaborative.html - geared toward scholars.

http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/public-consult.html

http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/eep-hfg.html

http://www.neh.gov/grants/guidelines/fellowships.html

Hope this helps. There is alot more at the National Endowment for the Humanities.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix



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There is a Grant Catalog listing many of the grants available in the
U.S. which is, I am told, in every U.S. municpal library of any size. I
have found it in the four local libraries. The catalog lists:

--each grant,

--who to contact,

--the specific purpose of the grant,

-- and the grant limitations (which can be quite extensive).

There is a detailed set of directions in the catalog for writing grants
as well. I would assume that there are similar grant organizations /
prospects in other countries.

In addition to this particular catalog, there are any number of local
State and City organizations which offer grants, as well as private
foundations and businesses. Many of these (a large percentage) require
"matching funds," or they are only interested in local concerns which
beneffit local people, in areas of endeavor related to thier city or
business.(Example telephone company grants to those who are contracted
to that company. They provide a very small percentage of every call
made from your telephone, An average user might get a $10.00 check
every quarter for enrolling. However, the recieving organization must
be recognized by the grantor, and supported by a third person.

I serve on the Restoration Commttee of an American Civil War
Fortification / City Park in New Haven, Ct where we have on the
Committee a staff Grant Writer. In reviewing the above mentioned Grant
Catalog, as a member of her committee, I found just five grants out of a
listing of several thousand that pertained in any aspect to Historical
Military Restoration, that was not under some restriction of location,
matching funds, approved plans, and a detailed organization.

Another Historical House in nearby Scotland, Ct
pays a fee of $300 per year for an audit of the grant funds of something
like $5,000 which can only be spent over a period of five years with a
maximum draw-out of so much each month, again matchng approved and
planned projects.

The Fort Restoration Committee, maintains a modest budget for special
projects from private organizational grants in the New Haven Area,
virtually al of these grant organizations enjoy the fact that one or
more members of the Restoration Committee also belong to the granting
organization, and we are currently struggling to work around attaining
matching funds for a $20,000 grant which is nearing it's 2 year
expiration date. These smaller local grant societies are those who are
aware of the above Committee's efforts and who are aquainted with the
requesting organizations and individuals. Personal politics is often a
large contributor to a successful Grant Award. Just as often, success
comes only after a wait of one to five years of annual applications,
when those who have entered requests before you are dealt with first.
We also have on the books a $50.00o dollar grant from the State of
Connecticut which was engieered by a lady on the Rstoration Committee
whose husband is a State Senator.

Often grant organizations require that the grant recievers hire and
submit the contracts to the approval of a Historical Advisor to insure
that the grant money is spent on historically accurate materials and
procedures.

Fort Adams in Newport, Rhode Island has a promise of a 1 million dollar
grant from the U.S. government which was arranged by three Congressional
Reps in the Newport area of Rhode Island. All three are ex-officio
members of the Friends of Fort Adams. Fort Adams also has a Fort
Curator and Asst. Curator who is qualified to oversee the fort
restoration. These peopl wrot thier own grant requests for their
salaries, which are significant.

Lastly, most of these organizations are closely monitored as to the
funding that they award, and they want to be sure that the funds are
directed to a specific use, following a profssional plan, under the
watchful eye of an independent monitoring organization. Often these
professonal plans must be drawn up at an cost of thousands of dollars,
which also must be achieved by requesting grants. An example is that
Fort Hale has currently spent $4700 for plans to effect the
reconstruction of a structure within the park. We have as a result of
that set of plans and three years of requests, recieved a grant of
$20,000 which requires "matching funds" before any money changes hands.
There is a deadline of 24 months for the fulfillment of the grant
requirements, and the whole $40,000 must be paid over to the City of New
Haven to be paid out only when the final plans are approved by the city,
and then only as requested by requisition based on the construction
contracts. This has taken over 18 months to accomplish (matching funds,
contracts, city approval, and professional plans), and none of the
$40,000 is earning interest for the Fort Funds because of the
requirement for deposit to a city depatment as opposed to a bank. One
of the committee members has been pleased to donate $20,000 as the
necessary matching funds, and has been waiting for 18 months to be able
to get her $20,000 from the loan.

These are the kind of things that Praefectus Scipio of the Sodaitas
Egressus has been working quietly on in France, and which he indicates
may have some promise in that country, Yes, there are those who have
considered, written for and supported grant requests in Nova Roma.
However, as I have indicated it takes a deal of effort and patience,
unless there is some other attribute which will bring you to the
favorable attention of a granting organization.

While I have less than three years of practical experience in writing
for grants on this committee, I am told by others who have been on the
committee for 20+ years that the above situatons are pretty much the
rule for those kinds of grants and grant applications.

I am pleased to see that there are many of you
who have experience in Grant Writing as the last time that I mentioned
the possiblity of such an approach, the only person who admitted such
was Senator Maximus, who in turn requested my written support of his
grant request. I recieved no other response indicating that those who
are experienced in such have joined since my earlier inquiry.

Best of luck in this endeavor. It can be a long road, with lots of
work, but there can be a significant reward for those who have the time,
patience and the ability to work at this endeavor with the diligence
that it demands, in the areas of historical funding after the
determination of what NR decides that it wants, needs and is capable of
doing to utilize any grants that it may recieve. I am sure that with
those who have resonded, we can soon expect a report of many grant
applications being written to fulfill the needs of Nova Roma, just as
soon as they are decided upon.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens


A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
Seas!!!

Ex Officio Propraetoris America Boreoccidentalis

Edicta Praetoricum 2756-I regarding the dismissal of Legatus Regionis
America Boreoccidentalis Maior Oppius Flaccus Severus.

I. I Hereby publically and officially dismiss illustrus Oppius
Flaccus Severus as Legatus Regionis America Boreoccidentalis Maior. I
thank former legatus Oppius Flaccus Severus most sincerely for his
service to the provincia. I wish both Oppius and his wife all health
and happiness and sincerely hope that they will both consider
remaining as cives NovaRomani, for they will indeed be missed!

II. This edicta becomes effective immediately.

Given ante diem XII Kal. Martias in the year of the consulship of
Caeso Fabius Quintillianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus, 2756 AUC.


Ex Officio

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Ex Officio Propraetoris America Boreoccidentalis

Edictum Praetoricum 2756-II regarding the dismissal of scriba
Regionis America Boreoccidentalis Livia Mauricia Sabina.

I. I hereby publically and officially dismiss illustra Livia
Mauricia Sabina as scriba America Boreoccidentalis. I thank former
scriba Livia Mauricia Sabina most sincerely for her service to the
provincia and recognise her devotion to her familia.

II. This edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given ante diem XII Kal. Martias in the year of the consulship of
Caeso Fabius Quintillianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus, 2756 AUC.


Ex Officio

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Salvete,

Could anyone tell me where I could either find, or find information
on roman music?

Many thanks,

Laecus Galerius Felix

Ex Officio Propraetoris America Boreoccidentalis

Edicta Praetoricum 2756-III reaffirming the participation of
Provincia America Boreoccidentalis in the Limes Cooperation.

I. Recognising the worth of cooperative planning between the
provinciae of Nova Roma, I hereby reaffirm Provincial Edictum 2754-2
drafted by my predecessor, the illustrus Lucius Mauricius Procopius,
validating our participation in the Limes Cooperation.

II. This edicta becomes effective immediately.

Given ante diem XII Kal. Martias in the year of the consulship of
Caeso Fabius Quintillianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus, 2756 AUC.

Ex Officio

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Ex Officio Propraetoris America Boreoccidentalis

Edicta praetoricium 2756-IV reaffirming guidelines for the Sodalitas
Munerum.

I. Recognising that guidelines must be set for live combat
demonstrations, I hereby reaffirm Provincial Provincial Edicta 2754-4
drafted by my predecessor, the illustrus Lucius Mauricius Procopius,
establishing guidelines for the Sodalitas Munerum.

II. This edicta becomes effective immediately.

Given ante diem XII Kal. Martias in the year of the consulship of
Caeso Fabius Quintillianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus, 2756 AUC.


Ex Officio

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Salve Cousin Try these

http://www.cs.utk.edu/~mclennan/OM/music.html

http://www.ancestral.co.uk/romanmusic.htm

http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/w/x/wxk116/muse/

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Salvete,

Could anyone tell me where I could either find, or find information
on roman music?

Many thanks,

Laecus Galerius Felix


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Salvete,

Does anyone know where I can find, or find information on roman
music?

Many thanks,

Laecus Galerius Felix

Salvete Omnes,

This is a really great idea; to try getting an arts/humanities grant
for Nova Roma.

I have had some experience with scientific grants and am familiar
with some of the grants that are let each year in various other
areas. The trully amazing thing about grants is how many tens of
millions of dollars (US) go BEGGING every year because not enough
people or groups even apply for them!

It is most definately worth a try or two or three. All it really
costs is the time (yes, as a former consultant, I know that can be an
expensive commodity) of the grant writer and a few stamps. Nobody
gets penalized for being rejected and you never know, it just might
work.

Valete,

Hibernia


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> Salve Romans
>...[Lots of stuff snipped]...
> PS does anybody here have experience writing grant proposals in the
>USA or the EU

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus S.P.D.

Ex Officio Aedilis Curulis Francisci Apuli Caesaris

At 15th Febraury I have published four (4) Edicta about the powers of investigation and trial of the Curules Aediles in the commercial fields and about the maintaining the order during the official Ludi of Nova Roma. This Edicta had created harsh discussions and critics more than I could imagine.
I have to admit that the language of this Edicta is not so clear, I have used not right words and several parts must be re-viewed.
In a special way I must thing again about the Indagatores, the secret agents that many of you have called "secret police force". It's logical I don't want create a secret police or a "status of suspect" in Nova Roma because it's not democratic. And my friends know that often I'm too democratic.
I want you understand that this Edicta hadn't been written by flung people without sense, This are the results of a long (1 year) job started by Illustrus Quintilianus. We're working seriously about this issues and we're not playing.
I want to underline that this is a hard step for me because I must admit to have mistaken and this days (within attacks, eplanation, discussions, suggestions, etc.) maybe have attacked my Dignitas. But I thing thinging about own faults and correcting their is the right thing that a Magistrate should do and it's very Roman!

So, I withdraw the following Edicta:
- EDICTA IV DE IUSTA MERCATURA [Fair Business Practices]
- EDICTA V DE LUDORUM DIGNITATE [Dignitasof the Ludi]
- EDICTA VI DE INVESTIGATIONIBUS [Investigations]
- EDICTA VII DE ACTIONIBUS AEDILICIIS [Aedilian Actions]

This action is supported by Illustrus Curule Aedile Gnaeus Equitius Marinus.

However, I'm sure that our Res Publica have the duty to re-view the Office of Aedile following the history, to re-view the commercial business of Nova Roma and to re-view the position and powers of Aediles during the Ludi.
We all, I, Illustrus Gnaeus Equitius Marinus and Illustrus Manius Constantinus Serapio, are already working about their. But I invite the higest Magistrates of Nova Roma, the illustris Consules, the Praetores, the Tribunes, the Pontiffs and the Plebeian Aediles, to work with us in a public place (like the NovaRomaLaws mailing list) to find a solution as soon as possible.
And I ask to Senators and Consules and Praetores to thing about a national Law re-creating the Office of Curule Aedile as close as possible to the history and clarifying the actual Magistracy.

Thank you all and take my apologies.

Valete bene
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile

>
> Could someone tell me where I could find information on Roman music?
>

Salve Laecus:

The problem with ancient Roman music is that we know more about the instruments of the period than the music itself. Volume 2 of the New Oxford History of Music has an excellent chapter on the subject. A group called SYNAULIA has made several CD's of music newly composed but played on reconstructed versions of the Roman instruments. Unfortunately, although I have heard these CD's and found them fascinating, they were out of stock at Amazon, last time I checked, though they may be available from other sources. The subject of Roman music was one I had to familiarize myself with after college, as back when I was pursuing my degrees in Musicology, any coverage of ancient music focused on Greece, since there was more information on their theory and practice, and even some brief scores extant in "parasemantics," the musical script system used. Again, recordings of some of this music have been made, one by Christodoulos Halaris.

As far as I know there are no surviving musical "scores" from Republican or Imperial Rome, so that most articles on the subject are couched in generalization and drenched in the subjunctive, though none the less interesting for that. Hope this was of some help - ancient music was not my field of expertise so I am still learning about this intriguing topic.

Vale

L. Suetonius Nerva

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Salvete,

Could anyone tell me where I could either find, or find information
on roman music?

Many thanks,

Laecus Galerius Felix


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I, Horatia Minucia Caesar do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the
honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of Gaius
Minucius Hadrianus while I hold this office, except when such action
would be illegal or unconstitutional.

I, Horatia Minucia Caesar further swear to fulfill the obligations
and Responsibilities of the office of Scriba Propraetoris to the best
of my Abilities while following the Roman virtues and ideals.

I, Horatia Minucia Caesar swear to give faithful service to my
magistrate, and not to divulge any information discussed in
confidence. I understand that I serve solely at the discretion of my
magistrate.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Scriba Propraetoris with all the
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Ego, Horatia Minucia Caesar, sollemniter iuro ex hoc honorem Novae
Romae servare et agere semper in usu commodissimi G. Minucii Hadriani
dum hoc officium gero, nisi quod factum tale illicitum aut contra
reipublicas leges sit.

Ego, Horatia Minucia Caesar, praeterea iuro praestare officia
curasque officii Scriba Propraetoris pro viribus dum instans
Romanibus virtutibus exemplaribusque.

Ego, Horatia Minucia Caesar, iuro dare magistrato ministerium fidele,
et non divulgare ullas reres disputas in fiducia. Intellego me
servare solum ad arbitrium magistrati.

In honore meo me esse civem Novae Romae, et coram deis deisque populi
Romani et per voluntatem gratiamque eorum, accipio officium Scribae
Propraetoris et omnia privelegia et officia et curas annumerata.



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hoc in sermonem Latinam per Horatiam Minuciam Caesarem conversum erat.

Salve,



I feel the same need for the Plebeian Aediles.

Vale,

L. Arminius Faustus







FAC wrote:


And I ask to Senators and Consules and Praetores to thing about a national Law re-creating the Office of Curule Aedile as close as possible to the history and clarifying the actual Magistracy.

Thank you all and take my apologies.

Valete bene
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile






Valete bene in pacem deorum,



L. Arminius Faustus

Senior Plebeian Aedile, Quaestor,

Interpreter (lingua lusitaniae), Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae.

Visit my office at http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/index.html



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Salve Franciscus Apulus Caesar,

<Thank you all and take my apologies.

Don't be so hard on yourself dear! And just because a few of us were
critical of the edicts does not mean that we don't appreciate all the work
you are doing! And from what I've read, *everyone* is 100% behind you in
wanting to make the office of the Curules Aediles as close to possible to
ancient times and clarifying your role here. This will also help to define
the role of the Plebian Aediles as L. Arminius Faustus has mentioned. This
is all *good* news.

Writing an edict is difficult work. Everything has to be worded just
perfectly because everyone here will be reading it very carefully. For the
Tribunes, it is our jobs to examine every word and phrase. I know that make
us (or me!) unpopular, but a good Tribune has to do what we feel is right
and just hope that no one hates us (her!) afterwards... Goddess knows, I
haven't the nerve yet to write an edict. To write one in my second language
is totally impossible. So don't feel bad or embarrassed,or that any of us
are against you, because you've done well!

Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina
Tribunus Plebis


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AVE LAECE GALERI FELIX

> The problem with ancient Roman music is that we know more about

the instruments of the period than the music itself. Volume 2 of the
New Oxford History of Music has an excellent chapter on the subject.
A group called SYNAULIA has made several CD's of music newly composed
but played on reconstructed versions of the Roman instruments.
Unfortunately, although I have heard these CD's and found them
fascinating, they were out of stock at Amazon, last time I checked,
though they may be available from other sources. The subject of
Roman music was one I had to familiarize myself with after college,
as back when I was pursuing my degrees in Musicology, any coverage of
ancient music focused on Greece, since there was more information on
their theory and practice, and even some brief scores extant
in "parasemantics," the musical script system used. Again,
recordings of some of this music have been made, one by Christodoulos
Halaris.

>
> As far as I know there are no surviving musical "scores" from
>Republican or Imperial Rome, so that most articles on the subject
>are couched in generalization and drenched in the subjunctive,
>though none the less interesting for that. Hope this was of some
>help - ancient music was not my field of expertise so I am still
>learning about this intriguing topic.

I must agree with Lucius Suetonius. However, I am writing on this
very topic for next issues of "Roman Times".
Anyway, just to add something, even though we know much more on Greek
music than on the Roman one, we can assume that they were not so
different. In fact, Latin music theoritecians like Varro and
Martianus Capella don't add anything to the Greek musical theory, but
just report what Greeks said.

BENE VALE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio

Citizens of Nova Roma,

That's really the first chariot race of the year! And you can take
part to it if you join the GREEN team, the factio Praesina!.
Just become a member of our victorious factio subscribing our mailing
list at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factiopraesina

The green race on the Circus wait for yours teams! It´s the GREEN
show!
The public waits for your chariots on the sand! You will receive a
nice prize and the recognition of the members of your Factio and the
whole citizenship!

After you joined our Mailing List you can finally send your
inscription to mcserapio@... saying:

- Your Novaroman name
- Chariot name
- Driver Name
- Your Tactics. Choose among:
1 To hurry in the last laps
2 To pass the curves closely the "spina" of the circus.
3 To support a constant pace
4 To lash the rivals
5 To push the rivals to the wall of the circus
6 To hurry in the straight lines

Remember to write in subject line "Ludi Praesina"!!!

BE HURRY!!! TODAY IS THE LAST DAY!!!

Send your chariot and fight for the glory of the victory!! Who will
be the green champion in 2756 AUC?

OPTIME VALETE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Dominvs Factionis Praesinae

A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
greetings.

I just wanted to applaud everyone who has been
involved in the recent discussions about the
Aedilician edicts. The debate was about important and
controversial issues, but without exception the
discussion was thoughtful, polite and constructive.

Furthermore, the Aediles, the Praetors, the Tribunes
and others seem to me to have gone beyond the minimum
required of them to resolve the issue and to work out
guidelines for further progress.

Finally, this mini-controversy was exemplary of our
constitution working under optimum conditions, and
shows that criticism and even veto can be constructive
and not just obstructive, and shows everyone including
new and prospective citizens a better side of the
political process to the one we sometimes see.

No apologies to anyone who feels that this is a
message full of superfluous gushing cluttering up
their inbox: I tend to think that praise is a greater
motivator than blame, and that no praise of good
conduct is superfluous.

Cordus


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We'll have an excellent article on Roman music in the next issue of
the Roman Times! I'll be sure to let you know when it is published!

Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia

> >
> > Could someone tell me where I could find information on Roman

music?

> >

Thank you to everyone who responded to my Roman music post, you have
all been very helpful. How can I get ahold of a copy of the Roman
Times? And on that note, does anyone know how I can get ahold of a
copy of the Eagle?

Thanks again,

Laecus Galerius Felix

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "civvsromanvs <ben.fuertsch@v...>"
<ben.fuertsch@v...> wrote:

> Thank you to everyone who responded to my Roman music post, you

have

> all been very helpful. How can I get ahold of a copy of the Roman
> Times?

Here you are, dominus!

http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/romantimes/romantimes.h
tml

Bene vale!

Julilla Sempronia Magna

Ave

true sagacity. I'm just going to make my accountant do it, anyway.

-----Original Message-----
From: L. Cornelius Sulla [mailto:alexious@...]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:28 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?


Ave,

I apologize for bursting your bubble...but look at the problems we are now
encountering with so many titles...

Our Senior Consul had difficulties with his first Senate call.

Now our two Curule Aediles who are also serving as subordinate magistrates
tried to draft 4 very poorly written edicts.

Just do what you can with the gifts that the Gods have given you and do
not give yourself so much responsibility that you cannot get anything
done...or cannot do anything well.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 5:18 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?


damnit.
-----Original Message-----
From: L. Cornelius Sulla [mailto:alexious@...]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 7:07 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?


Ave Gaius Basilicatus,

One should not be appointed to a position for that purpose. It just
adds
to the bureaucratic non-sense. Get a group of people together and as
citizens draw up a proposal once you got the rough angles drafted
out..then
send it to the Consuls for their input.

One does not need to be a titled "somebody" to draft an agenda item.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?


Ave Senator!

I have the highest regard for all elected officials in Nova Roma.
All I
humbly ask is that I be appointed to present a proposed five year
plan
to
the Senate, et al.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province


-----Original Message-----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus [mailto:christer.edling@...]
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 6:43 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?


Salvete Honorable Gaius Basilicatus Agricola!

You ask were the Consuls are. You may have been busy, but I
contributed to this discussion only two days ago, on Saturday.

But You see these first months are really very busy for the
Consuls.
I had to work on the Budget and a Senate meeting in January and
nearly didn't sleep at all. Now my colleague holds the fasces and
is
working on preparing the collection of taxes. During this month I
am
working, together with my Cohors on some very needed legislation.
I
think that You risk to underestimate the burden of the Consuls and
our creativeness. I hope to make You think higher of us when we
have
done most of the routine work in the beginning of the year, but
remember that the end of the year is also full of routines. There
are
also many other difficulties for the Consuls such as rules about
when
to hold Senate meetings and Comitia. I think that the Roman
"Constitution" was created thus to prevent too many things happen
too
fast. So please have patience with us we are just following the
tradition! ;-)


>see no point in this endeavor. Where are the Consuls in this
debate?
Where
>is the Senate? The tribunes? It would appear that NR has reached
its
maximum
>potential: an e-mail yahoo! group.
>
>Vale
>

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Scriba Curatoris Differum Lex Iuridicalis
Legate Major for Regio Campus
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province


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Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
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-----Original Message-----
From : “biojournalism <biojournalism@...>“

>
>
>Now, my question: Cleopatra had four daughters. All four were
>married to different African kings. Anyone know who married which
>king? I know about Cleopatra Selene, but what about the others? The
>four were daughters of Marc Antony and Cleopatra and all were sent
>to different parts of Africa to live with four different kings.
>Anyone know the actual fates of these four sisters?
>

Are you certain of four or is this just legend? Whatever the boy meant to Octavian, Cleopatra herself would have known that to the Egyptians, divine blood ran through the mother, hence the need of Pharoah to marry his sister, maintaining the old maternal and later legalistic paternal line - but then again whom else could the sister of God incarnate marry without disgracing herself?
Cleopatra seems to have been one of the few Makedonian rulers to be consecrated Pharoah. Any of her daughters then would have been far more important to maintaining the real heritage than any son in no position to take over. I didn't know there were as many as four. So what did happen to them? Is it possible that some of the alleged Jesus Christ bloodline secret societies that probably were around in the Dark Ages in reality go back to protecting the divine Egyptian heritage and nothing to do with Christianity at all?

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Wonder what kind of a story would come out if--Antonina minor, the
daughter of Marc Antony and his Roman wife, Octavia meets the
similar age daughter of Antony and Cleopatra, Cleopatra Selene?

What if they meet one day at a dinner and realize they are half
sisters with the same father and different mothers who had different
fates, one a Roman patrician lady, the other the wife of an African
(Algeria-Numidia) king? Would their paths cross? What if their
grandchildren's path crossed, say as the grandmother of Nero and the
grandmother of some other African king descendant? How would they
act toward each other being perhaps in countries at war with each
other, but being descended from the same male Roman line? Would they
become friends and sisters? What if a novel followed them perhaps
corresponding as half sisters and friends over a fifty-year time
period? What adventures might they tell in a novel?

Fascinating stuff in history for stories....

Octavia

Ex officio Tribuni plebis Marcus Marcius Rex omnibus S.P.D.

I beg forgiveness for my recent absence due to an unforeseen
prolonged stay in an Asia Maior province. I see my colleagues have
tended to the business of the Tribunes in a most thoughtful way I can
only support.

The junior Consul has called the Senate to order and has laid the
following agenda [summary prepared by the reporting tribune] before
them:

If the Gods provide favorable auguries, the Senate shall meet from
the
ninth hour, ante diem nonum Kalendas Martias (9 AM, February 19)
until
the ninth hour, ante diem quintum Kalendas Martias MMDCCLVI (9 AM,
February 23). Voting shall begin immediately after, and shall
continue
until the nineteenth hour, ante diem secundum Kalendas Martias (7 PM,
February 26). Senatores are advised that ante diem quartum Kalendas
Martias (February 25) is the first dies comitialis of the voting
period,
and that the following day is a dies endotercisus, in which public
business is allowed in the afternoon. All times are given in Roma
time.
The current time in Rome can be found at
http://www.novaroma.org/main.html , just below the "CONTENTS" menu.


I. Fl Vedius' now-defunct edictum allowing cives to use the Nova
Roman
flag on Nova Roman related material, including Web sites, shall be
enacted as a Senatus Consultum.

II. The Senate hereby establishes a minimum tax rate of $6 US.

III. In all cases in which a Senatus Consultum specifies a deadline
for calling a meeting of the Senate, the presiding magistrate is
given leave to postpone the required meeting until the nearest dies
comitialis, even if this places the meeting after the specified
deadline.


******* Proroguing Existing Governors

IV. Marcus Bianchius Antonius, Propraetor of Lacus Magni
V. Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato, Propraetor of Canada Orientalis
VI. Caius Minucius Hadrianus, Propraetor of Nova Britannia
VII. Caeso Fabius Quintilianus, Consul of Thule
VIII. Caius Iulius Barcinus Ciconius, Propraetor of Hispania [new
appointment MMR]
IX. Quintus Fabius Maximus, Proconsul of California
X. Caius Flavius Diocletianus, Propraetor of Germania
XI. Lucius Pompeius Octavianus, Propraetor of Argentina
XII. Marcus Arminius Maior, Propraetor of Brasilia
XIII. Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura, Propraetor of Australia
XIV. Franciscus Apulus Caesar, Propraetor of Italia
XV. Sextus Cornelius Cotta, Propraetor of America Medioccidentalis
Superior
XVI. Petrus Domitianus Artorinus Longinus, Propraetor of Venedia
XVII. Antonius Gryllus Graecus, Propraetor of Lusitania
*** Note: C Marcius Coriolanus (Pannonia) and Pontius Sejanus Marius
(America Austroccidentalis) failed to respond to when asked if they
wished to continue in their positions. Remesa Debrasca (Canada
Occidentalis) and L Sicinius Drusus (America Austrorientalis)
specifically asked to resign. Therefore, these four names have been
left off the list above.

*********** Appointing A New Governor


XVIII. Gaius Popillius Laenas is hereby appointed Propraetor of
America
Austrorientalis.


*********** The following items are being presented to the Senate
again on behalf of my collega. All three items received enough votes
to pass,but failed due to confusion about the voting period.
Therefore, it seems congruent with the will of the Senate to place
them on the agenda again.


XIX. Approval of the Revised Budget (called "6 ISSUES PER YEAR") for
MMDCCLVI

XX. The state of Maine, in which Nova Roma is incorporated, requires
every nonprofit organization that is organized for the public benefit
to restate this purpose in their yearly report. Therefore, the
Senate hereby reaffirms that Nova Roma is formed for the public
benefit and directs the consuls to see to it that the proper
authorities are apprised of this fact.

XXI. I propose that the Senate support the community of Rosia Montana
with a statement of support. For information about this case see the
text about Roman Alburnus Maior written by Manius Constantinus
Serapio. The Consuls are given the task to see to that this decision
is executed.

Salvete Cives,

Last month, a toy micronation called "Imperium of Nova Roma" appeared.
They seemed to consist only of a message board, on which they
discussed territorial disputes with other pretend micronations and
why they wouldn't change their name.

It now appears to have disappeared; the message board formerly at
that address has been shut down.

"Imperium Nova Roma" will be marked as VANISHED on our Imitators page.

"New Roman Republic" (respublicanova.tripod.com) has shut down.
Their site now refers people to Nova Roma and to "Imperium Romanorum".

"New Roman Republic" will be marked as INACTIVE on our Imitators page.

I learned of "Imperium Romanorum" for the first time today. They
claim to have existed from "2743 [sic] (2000 AD)". Much of their
Constitution was lifted directly from ours (yet they claim to be
the only "true heirs of that great civilization").

"Imperium Romanorum" has been added to our Spinoffs, Imitators and
Impostors page:

http://www.novaroma.org/etcetera/othergroups.html

Valete, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus,
Censor, Consular, Citizen.
http://cynico.net/~hucke/

Salvete!

The weekly Nova Britannia chat will be held tonight from 9:00 pm to
10:00 pm EST at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaBritannia/chat

All are welcome!

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus
Propraetor Nova Britannia
Lictor
Minerva Templi Sacerdotes

Patria est communis omnium parens.
"Our native land is the common parent of us all." - Cicero






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--- "civvsromanvs <ben.fuertsch@...>"
<ben.fuertsch@...> wrote:

> Thank you to everyone who responded to my Roman
> music post, you have
> all been very helpful. How can I get ahold of a
> copy of the Roman
> Times? And on that note, does anyone know how I can
> get ahold of a
> copy of the Eagle?
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Laecus Galerius Felix
>
>

Hello,
Ooops...the url got chopped but I added the -TML- to
the end of it and
voila:http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/romantimes/romantimes.html
I know, those scripts can be quite an annoyance!
Always in the Service of Rome and her People,
Anthony

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If anybody would like to get a FREE single copy of the Eagle send a stamped self addressed envelope to

NR Eagle
5496 Ross Court
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Postage in USA is about .83 cents In Canada it is about $1.10 and Europe is about $2.40

REMEMBER THAT THIS NEEDS TO BE IN US POSTAGE

IF YOU CAN NOT GET US POSTAGE STAMPS SEND A CHECK OR SOMETHING.

This is an effort to show the Eagle to as many Nova Romans as possible and to get more paid subscriptions.

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Salve Agricola,

> Thanks for your comments.

You are most welcome.

> I would be curious to know what people are exmpt from income tax in France.
> Are they exempt from sales tax? Gas tax? Estate tax? Surely France is not a
> tax free society. I lived in Rome for 3 months, and the gas tax there was
> crushing, and that was in 1991.

In France, something around 40% of the citizens pay the income tax. The government
pledges for more tax cuts. IMHO, this makes sense since income tax costs very much to
collect. There is no tax on real estate if the property you sell back is your main
residence. Gas tax is like everywhere in Europe... VAT ranges from 0 to 25% (on luxury
items)

> Our community should be no different. We need a plan to raise money, and we
> need to tax. I think there is some precedence for it in Roman Repuplican
> Society. This opposition to even the minimal amount of taxation is
> discouraging. Why? Because it evidences a serious lack of commitment on
> behalf of our citizenry. What were we Romans ever able to accomplish without
> money? Did roads, temples, legions, warships etc just materialize from
> nowhere? I've encountered some dedicated sociopathic cheapskates in my
> charitable work, but I have never been involved with a group that has set
> such lofty goals combined with the complete unwillingness to finance them as
> Nova Roma. You know, "No va" means "no go" in Spanish. NoGo Roma.

Yes, we need to raise money more than highering the tax and I praise your efforts on this
issue. Keep on the good work!!

Vale,

Sextus Apollonius Scipio

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Ex Officio Consulis Senioris
Caesonis Fabii Quintiliani

Edictum Consulare CFQ VI de Nominationibus in Cohorte Consulis CFQ
(The Sixth Consular edict CFQ on the appointments in the Cohors
Consulis CFQ)


The Cohors Consulis CFQ has been established by "Edictum I CFQ de
Cohorte Consulis CFQ Constituenda". This present edict shall
restructure the Consilium Accensorum Magnorum, accept the resignment
of Illustrus Marcus Minicius Audens and fill the vacancy.

The CAM is part of the advisory branch of the Cohors Consulis CFQ and
the main task of this Consilium will be to read through law proposals
before they are published. I am very honored and satisfied to have
these intelligent, honest and knowledgable citizens working in the
CAM.

I. The following citizens shall be appointed new members of the
Consilium Accensorum Magnorum: Marcus Arminius Maior, Decius Iunius
Palladius and Gnaeus Salix Astur, they will be holding the rank of
Accensus Magnus.

II. Further the Consilium will continue to also consist of Patricia
Cassia who will become the new Praeses (Chairman) and Pompeia
Cornelia Strabo, both of them holding the rank of Accensa Magna.

III. I hereby officially accept the resignation of Marcus Minicius
Audens and thank him for the advises and the support that he has
given.

III. Above appointed Accensi are asked to observe that they are bound
by the Constitution of Nova Roma (see
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/constitution.html) and the Edictum
I de Cohorte Consulis CFQ Constituenda

IV. As an official of Nova Roma the above three Accensi that are
appointed in this edictum are asked to, within one week, swear the
public oath which is be published in the Edictum Consulare CFQ III de
Iusiurando Apparitorium (The Third Consular Edict Concerning the Oath
of Attendants/Apparitores), using their Nova Roman name. The oath can
be found at: http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/ and the
oath must be published on the Nova Roma Main List!

V. The oath sworn by each Accensa/Accensus of the CAM will be
interpreted as having the following implications and limitations:

V.I. Each Accensa/Accensus promise to keep the proposals presented to
CAM secret until the Senior Consul present each proposal publicly on
the main list.

V.II. Each Accensa/Accensus promise to really do her/his best to make
each proposal a good one during its time in the CAM.

V.III. These two promises above don't in anyway limit the freedom for
the Accensa/Accensus to fight for their own opinion as soon as the
proposal is made public. The two promises above (V.I. and V.II.)
don't in any way limit the independence of the Accensi in any of
their other official positions.

VI. This Edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given the 16th of February, in the year of the Consulship of Caeso
Fabius Quintilianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus, 2756 AUC.
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Salvete,

if you did not help yet, it would be a good time to give your ideas about the Land
Project. We have received so far more than 45 answers, but still not enough to have a
good idea of what our citizens want!
It will take you only a few minutes to fill up the form at:

http://www.fr-novaroma.com/Land_Project/public/submission.html

Nova Roma needs your input!!

Valete,

Sextus Apollonius Scipio
NRLand Project


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Thank you and keep up the good work on the land project
-----Original Message-----
From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio [mailto:scipio_apollonius@...]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 2:33 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: $Quo Vadis?


Salve Agricola,

> Thanks for your comments.

You are most welcome.

> I would be curious to know what people are exmpt from income tax in

France.

> Are they exempt from sales tax? Gas tax? Estate tax? Surely France is

not a

> tax free society. I lived in Rome for 3 months, and the gas tax there

was

> crushing, and that was in 1991.

In France, something around 40% of the citizens pay the income tax. The
government
pledges for more tax cuts. IMHO, this makes sense since income tax costs
very much to
collect. There is no tax on real estate if the property you sell back is
your main
residence. Gas tax is like everywhere in Europe... VAT ranges from 0 to
25% (on luxury
items)

> Our community should be no different. We need a plan to raise money, and

we

> need to tax. I think there is some precedence for it in Roman Repuplican
> Society. This opposition to even the minimal amount of taxation is
> discouraging. Why? Because it evidences a serious lack of commitment on
> behalf of our citizenry. What were we Romans ever able to accomplish

without

> money? Did roads, temples, legions, warships etc just materialize from
> nowhere? I've encountered some dedicated sociopathic cheapskates in my
> charitable work, but I have never been involved with a group that has

set

> such lofty goals combined with the complete unwillingness to finance

them as

> Nova Roma. You know, "No va" means "no go" in Spanish. NoGo Roma.

Yes, we need to raise money more than highering the tax and I praise your
efforts on this
issue. Keep on the good work!!

Vale,

Sextus Apollonius Scipio

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What if you donated some percentage of the proceeds from your books to Nova
Roma?!?
-----Original Message-----
From: biojournalism <biojournalism@...>
[mailto:biojournalism@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 6:48 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Good story in what happens when Antonina meets Selene


Wonder what kind of a story would come out if--Antonina minor, the
daughter of Marc Antony and his Roman wife, Octavia meets the
similar age daughter of Antony and Cleopatra, Cleopatra Selene?

What if they meet one day at a dinner and realize they are half
sisters with the same father and different mothers who had different
fates, one a Roman patrician lady, the other the wife of an African
(Algeria-Numidia) king? Would their paths cross? What if their
grandchildren's path crossed, say as the grandmother of Nero and the
grandmother of some other African king descendant? How would they
act toward each other being perhaps in countries at war with each
other, but being descended from the same male Roman line? Would they
become friends and sisters? What if a novel followed them perhaps
corresponding as half sisters and friends over a fifty-year time
period? What adventures might they tell in a novel?

Fascinating stuff in history for stories....

Octavia



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Cn. Salix Astur Quiritibus S.P.D.

I, Gnaeus Salix Astur, do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of
Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of consul Caeso
Fabius Quintilianus while I hold this office, except when such action
would be illegal or unconstitutional.

I, Gnaeus Salix Astur, further swear to fulfill the obligations and
Responsibilities of the office of Accensus Maior to the best of my
Abilities while following the Roman virtues and ideals.

I, Gnaeus Salix Astur, swear to give faithful service to my magistrate,
and not to divulge any information discussed in confidence. I
understand that I serve solely at the discretion of my magistrate.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Accensus Maior with all the privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

=====
Bene Valete in Pace Deorum!

CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF
PRAETOR·ET·SENATOR
TRIVMVIR·ACADEMIAE
LICTOR·CVRIATVS

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Salvete,

I was reminded yesterday of Nova Roma's age. Not in any sort of
anniversary post about NR, but when someone asked me about
NR's first natural born citizen, who turned 4 years old February
11th.

The old list, which annoumced his birth is gone now. That written
history lost forever I guess.

Sort of makes me proud to have had such a historic role in NR
<G>.

Pax,
Seia Silvania Atia


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A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
and to whom it may concern, greetings.

I noticed the following item in the Senate agenda, as
kindly posted by Tribune Marcius Rex:

> II. The Senate hereby establishes a minimum tax rate
> of $6 US.

Am I correct in thinking that this item, if passed and
enacted as a senatus consultum, would partially
override the senatus consultum which is "ITEM IV.
Annual Membership Fee Rate Adjustment" (can be found
at
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2002-11-09-i.htm
) - i.e. it would mean that taxes would then be
adjusted to be proportional to national GDP only down
to $6, and that citizens who would under the previous
senatus consultum have been required to pay less than
$6 would then have to pay $6?

If this is the case, then may I urge Senators to vote
against this item? The purpose of the original senatus
consultum, which was widely welcomed and was passed
unanimously, was to ensure that taxes did not penalize
citizens from poorer countries. Setting a fixed
minimum rate of tax across the whole republic would
re-impose that unfair penalty on citizens in the very
poorest countries.

I don't pretend to know the reasoning behind the
proposal which is now on the table. If, as seems
possible, it is a response to the recent calls for
increased taxation and for mandatory taxation, may I
suggest that it would be fairer by far simply to
increase the fraction of national GDP per head which
constitutes the tax rate, rather than to set a fixed
minimum across the board?

Thanks for listening,

Cordus

=====


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Em Qua, 2003-02-19 às 18:42, A. Apollonius Cordus escreveu:

> A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
> and to whom it may concern, greetings.
>
> I noticed the following item in the Senate agenda, as
> kindly posted by Tribune Marcius Rex:
>
> > II. The Senate hereby establishes a minimum tax rate
> > of $6 US.
>
> Am I correct in thinking that this item, if passed and
> enacted as a senatus consultum, would partially
> override the senatus consultum which is "ITEM IV.
> Annual Membership Fee Rate Adjustment" (can be found
> at
> http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2002-11-09-i.htm
> ) - i.e. it would mean that taxes would then be
> adjusted to be proportional to national GDP only down
> to $6, and that citizens who would under the previous
> senatus consultum have been required to pay less than
> $6 would then have to pay $6?
>
> If this is the case, then may I urge Senators to vote
> against this item? The purpose of the original senatus
> consultum, which was widely welcomed and was passed
> unanimously, was to ensure that taxes did not penalize
> citizens from poorer countries. Setting a fixed
> minimum rate of tax across the whole republic would
> re-impose that unfair penalty on citizens in the very
> poorest countries.
>
> I don't pretend to know the reasoning behind the
> proposal which is now on the table. If, as seems
> possible, it is a response to the recent calls for
> increased taxation and for mandatory taxation, may I
> suggest that it would be fairer by far simply to
> increase the fraction of national GDP per head which
> constitutes the tax rate, rather than to set a fixed
> minimum across the board?
>

I totally support the proposition of Cordus: Increase the
amount don't penalize the poorest.

Manius Villius Limitanus
--
Michel Loos <loos@...>

Salvete Aule Apolloni et alii Quirites

> ) - i.e. it would mean that taxes would then be
> adjusted to be proportional to national GDP only down
> to $6, and that citizens who would under the previous
> senatus consultum have been required to pay less than
> $6 would then have to pay $6?

Yes. It would establish a floor for the tax rate.

> If this is the case, then may I urge Senators to vote
> against this item?

Of course you may! LOL

> The purpose of the original senatus
> consultum, which was widely welcomed and was passed
> unanimously, was to ensure that taxes did not penalize
> citizens from poorer countries.

Yes. In fact, I was one of the first people to suggest tying the tax
rate to macronational GDP, way back during the very first argument over
taxation. I remain convinced that such a tax structure is the most
reasonably fair method of taxing our cives.

> Setting a fixed
> minimum rate of tax across the whole republic would
> re-impose that unfair penalty on citizens in the very
> poorest countries.

In principle, yes. However, the $6 US rate is one-half the amount that
will be asked of cives who reside in our wealthiest nation. This seems
to me to be a reasonable compromise between the need of the state to
collect money and our desire to fairly tax our cives. If we weren't
talking about such a relatively small sum, I'd agree that the floor was
unfair. As it is, though, $6 should be reasonably affordable for most
everyone.

> I don't pretend to know the reasoning behind the
> proposal which is now on the table. If, as seems
> possible, it is a response to the recent calls for
> increased taxation and for mandatory taxation, may I
> suggest that it would be fairer by far simply to
> increase the fraction of national GDP per head which
> constitutes the tax rate, rather than to set a fixed
> minimum across the board?

Yes, I could have asked for the tax rate (now 1/3000th of GDP, IIRC) to
be increased across the board. However, over half of the countries in
which our cives reside currently have a tax rate of less than $4 US. Of
those, roughly half have rates of less than $3 US. Considering the
overhead charged when transfering money internationally, it almost seems
counterproductive for cives in these countries to pay their taxes. So,
rather than more than double the taxes of all cives, it seemed
reasonable to simply establish a relatively low floor to the tax rate.

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus
--
"Since death alone is certain and the time of death uncertain, what
should I do?"

AVETE OPTIMI PATRES REI PUBLICAE NOVAE ROMAE

> XXI. I propose that the Senate support the community of Rosia

Montana

> with a statement of support. For information about this case see

the

> text about Roman Alburnus Maior written by Manius Constantinus
> Serapio. The Consuls are given the task to see to that this

decision

> is executed.

As to this item, I whish to explain several things, as in last Senate
voting session it seemed that there were several doubts.
At the end of this message you can find the text I sent to this list
many times during past weeks. You know the situation in Rosia
Montana. What I meant when I asked our Senior Consul to submit the
matter to the Senate of Nova Roma was the Senate to express the
solidarity of our Respublica with the community of Rosia Montana, the
Roman Alburnus Maior, and to officially support what I am currently
doing as Quaestor of our Senior Aedilis Curulis, i.e. a campaign to
collect signatures for the petition to the Government of Romania.
This campaign is going to be extended to the Macronational World
thanks to the potential collaboration of other organizations. That's
all. That's what I, as a Quaestor, am asking the Senate. To have this
campaign officially recognized and promoted by Nova Roma. The Consul
should have the task to see that this is executed.
In any case NO MONEY IS NEEDED. Should money be needed for any
project related to this matter, I would come again to you, Patres,
exposing the whole case and giving full details. However, this is not
the present case.

Thank you very much for your attention,

very respectfully,

OPTIME VALETE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Qvaestor
Legatvs Externis rebvs Provinciae Italiae
Accensvs Senior Primvs Consvlis Senioris
------------------------
PROVINCIA ITALIA
http://italia.novaroma.org

===============================================================
===============================================================

§A gold mine threatens a great archaeological site§

A Canadian firm, Gabriel Resources, will open a gold, silver and
uranium mine which will destroy several important archaeological
sites in Romania. The choosen place for what will be the biggest
European opencast mine is Rosia Montana, the Roman Alburnus Maior, on
the Apuseni mountains.

The mining activity in this area is thousands of years old. Several
mines of the II century B.C. can still be partly travelled over.

Besides iron ores, Rosia Montana is famous in European archaeology
because of epigraphical evidence found there. Just two year ago, a
Frech-German team discovered funeral steles and a large number of
Roman altars with votive inscriptions.

The Canadian project even provides for the complete destruction of
the actual center (which will be re-built elsewhere...) with its
monuments (eight churches and nine graveyards) and its archaeological
strata.
Here they will settle one of the four shafts provided for.

The Rosia Montana valley is part of the national protected Property.
An international campaign is underway to save the ancient evidences
of that area. This campaign involves Rumanian archaeologists like
Gheorghe Lazarovici (Univesrity of Cluj), Marius Ciuta (University of
Alba Iulia), Sabin Luca (University of Sibiu). The mobilization
culminated with an appeal to the highest national authorities by 83
academics of the Academy of Economic Studies of the University of
Bucarest, in order to stop this operation. In fact, according to a
close examination, this project would not even provide the populace
with relevant economic advantages.

The World Bank has already announced, through the International
Finance Corporation (IFC), that they will not finance the project of
the Gabriel Resources: James Wohfensohn, the president of the World
Bank, intervened directly to block the loan.

The gold of this area of the Carpathians has been mined and traded in
the whole of Europe since prehistory. Trajan's column shows the Roman
occupation of the Apuseni mountains. It was a conquest which led to
Rome so much gold that its price was depressed for decades. Even with
this depreciated price the sheer amount of gold provided for the
financing of ambitious projects like the construction of the
amphitheatre in Verona.

The project of Gabriel Resources provides for the forced transfer of
2,000 people: most of them are actually employed in more than 700
farms. Production processes using cyanide, which has already
caused a lot of ecological disasters, and which are illegal in the
rest of Europe, are proposed. Just consider that about 196.4 million
tons of cyanide waste will be created. A real ecological predicament
is
looming, and unfortunately it would not be something new in Romania.
In fact, with the same mining process in another mine in Baia Mare,
water for 2,500,000 people was contaminated.

For further information go to http://www.rosiamontana.org

What we ask you is to simply sign this petition to the Government of
Romania: http://www.petitiononline.com/apuseni/petition.html

Please do that! It's very important! We must try to do our best to
assist in saving Alburnus Maior and avoiding this ecological
catastrophe!

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Senatoribus Omnibusque S.P.D.

As Senior Curule Aedile and Propraetor Provinciae Italiae, I support
and promote the project of Illustrus Manius Constantinus Serapio
supporting the community of Rosia Montana in Romania.
I don't understand why the Senate rejected the proposal of our
Illustrus Consul, it was very clear and it didn't need money or fund-
raising. I think one of most important goals of Nova Roma is the
conservation of our common "Roman Tresury", any ruin, building,
text, thing, stone about and of Ancient Rome must be protected by us
in any way.
Maybe I was the first to sign the online petition after the
signalation by Serapio and I'm very happy to know that several
organizations and universities in macro-nations are supporting
Alburnus Maior.
I invite everybody to sign the petition and I invite our Illustri
Senator to promote this project voting an official support in the
next Senate Agenda.
The Office of Curule Aedile will give you other news about Rosia
Montana as soon as possible.

Valete bene
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile et Propraetor Provinciae Italiae


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Manius Constantinus Serapio
<mcserapio@y...>" <mcserapio@y...> wrote:

> AVETE OPTIMI PATRES REI PUBLICAE NOVAE ROMAE
>
> > XXI. I propose that the Senate support the community of Rosia
> Montana
> > with a statement of support. For information about this case see
> the
> > text about Roman Alburnus Maior written by Manius Constantinus
> > Serapio. The Consuls are given the task to see to that this
> decision
> > is executed.
>
> As to this item, I whish to explain several things, as in last

Senate

> voting session it seemed that there were several doubts.
> At the end of this message you can find the text I sent to this

list

> many times during past weeks. You know the situation in Rosia
> Montana. What I meant when I asked our Senior Consul to submit the
> matter to the Senate of Nova Roma was the Senate to express the
> solidarity of our Respublica with the community of Rosia Montana,

the

> Roman Alburnus Maior, and to officially support what I am

currently

> doing as Quaestor of our Senior Aedilis Curulis, i.e. a campaign

to

> collect signatures for the petition to the Government of Romania.
> This campaign is going to be extended to the Macronational World
> thanks to the potential collaboration of other organizations.

That's

> all. That's what I, as a Quaestor, am asking the Senate. To have

this

> campaign officially recognized and promoted by Nova Roma. The

Consul

> should have the task to see that this is executed.
> In any case NO MONEY IS NEEDED. Should money be needed for any
> project related to this matter, I would come again to you, Patres,
> exposing the whole case and giving full details. However, this is

not

> the present case.
>
> Thank you very much for your attention,
>
> very respectfully,
>
> OPTIME VALETE
> Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
> Qvaestor
> Legatvs Externis rebvs Provinciae Italiae
> Accensvs Senior Primvs Consvlis Senioris
> ------------------------
> PROVINCIA ITALIA
> http://italia.novaroma.org
>
> ===============================================================
> ===============================================================
>
> §A gold mine threatens a great archaeological site§
>
> A Canadian firm, Gabriel Resources, will open a gold, silver and
> uranium mine which will destroy several important archaeological
> sites in Romania. The choosen place for what will be the biggest
> European opencast mine is Rosia Montana, the Roman Alburnus Maior,

on

> the Apuseni mountains.
>
> The mining activity in this area is thousands of years old.

Several

> mines of the II century B.C. can still be partly travelled over.
>
> Besides iron ores, Rosia Montana is famous in European archaeology
> because of epigraphical evidence found there. Just two year ago, a
> Frech-German team discovered funeral steles and a large number of
> Roman altars with votive inscriptions.
>
> The Canadian project even provides for the complete destruction of
> the actual center (which will be re-built elsewhere...) with its
> monuments (eight churches and nine graveyards) and its

archaeological

> strata.
> Here they will settle one of the four shafts provided for.
>
> The Rosia Montana valley is part of the national protected

Property.

> An international campaign is underway to save the ancient

evidences

> of that area. This campaign involves Rumanian archaeologists like
> Gheorghe Lazarovici (Univesrity of Cluj), Marius Ciuta (University

of

> Alba Iulia), Sabin Luca (University of Sibiu). The mobilization
> culminated with an appeal to the highest national authorities by

83

> academics of the Academy of Economic Studies of the University of
> Bucarest, in order to stop this operation. In fact, according to a
> close examination, this project would not even provide the populace
> with relevant economic advantages.
>
> The World Bank has already announced, through the International
> Finance Corporation (IFC), that they will not finance the project

of

> the Gabriel Resources: James Wohfensohn, the president of the

World

> Bank, intervened directly to block the loan.
>
> The gold of this area of the Carpathians has been mined and traded

in

> the whole of Europe since prehistory. Trajan's column shows the

Roman

> occupation of the Apuseni mountains. It was a conquest which led

to

> Rome so much gold that its price was depressed for decades. Even

with

> this depreciated price the sheer amount of gold provided for the
> financing of ambitious projects like the construction of the
> amphitheatre in Verona.
>
> The project of Gabriel Resources provides for the forced transfer

of

> 2,000 people: most of them are actually employed in more than 700
> farms. Production processes using cyanide, which has already
> caused a lot of ecological disasters, and which are illegal in the
> rest of Europe, are proposed. Just consider that about 196.4

million

> tons of cyanide waste will be created. A real ecological

predicament

> is
> looming, and unfortunately it would not be something new in

Romania.

> In fact, with the same mining process in another mine in Baia

Mare,

> water for 2,500,000 people was contaminated.
>
> For further information go to http://www.rosiamontana.org
>
> What we ask you is to simply sign this petition to the Government

of

> Romania: http://www.petitiononline.com/apuseni/petition.html
>
> Please do that! It's very important! We must try to do our best to
> assist in saving Alburnus Maior and avoiding this ecological
> catastrophe!

Tribunus Plebis Diana Moravia Aventina Comitia Plebis Tributa SPD

Regarding the third Run-off Elections in the Comitia Plebis Tributa for the
2 vacant offices of Tribunis Plebis for the year MMDCCLVI

Salvete!

The auspices being propitious, as Tribunus Plebis I hereby officially
convene the Comitia Plebis Tributa to elect the 2 vacant seats of Tribunus
Plebis (Tribune of the Plebs).

The Contio begins today, Thursday February 20 at 18:00 Roman Time (17:00
GMT, 12 noon Eastern US time, 09:00 PST) and will end on February 25 at
18:00 Roman Time. All candidates are reminded to resend their declarations
of candidacy to this Forum. Supporters of the Tribune candidates should
also send emails of support for their favorite candidate during this time.
Let's get a bit of enthusiasm going!

***Voting shall begin on Tuesday February 25 at 18:01 Roman Time (17:01 GMT,
12:01 noon EST, 09:01 PST).

Voting shall end on Thursday March 6 at 18:01 Roman Time (17:01 GMT, 12:01
noon Eastern US time, 09:01 PST).

The following positions will be elected by the vote of the Comitia Plebis
Tributa (only Plebeain citizens may vote):

TRIBUNUS PLEBIS - 2 seats available, 4 candidates:

Gaius Geminius Germanus
Gaius Modius Athanasius
Gaius Popillius Laenas
Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius

The decaration of each of the candidates can be found at:
http://www.novaroma.org/election/2755

Since this is a run off election continuing those of November, no new
candidates for Tribunus Plebis will be accepted in the ballot. My thanks to
all 4 candidates for their continued interest and a special thanks to our
Augur Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur for once again taking the auspices!

May the Gods guide the Comitia Plebis Tributa in their choice of our 2 new
Tribunes!

Valete,

Diana Moravia Aventina
Tribunus Plebis

*************************

***Special note to those who honor the Gods of Rome and/or are practitioners
of the Religio Romana: Since it was not possible to schedule this run-off
election entirely on dies comitiales, please vote following the guidelines
as set by the Collegium Pontificium:

Februaris
25 dies comitiales ---citizens may vote
26 endotercisus-- citizens may vote in the afternoon
27 nefastus publicus -- no voting
28 dies comitiales -- citizens may vote

Martius
1 nefastus publicus-- no voting
2 dies fastus- no voting
3 dies comitiales--citizens may vote
4 dies comitiales--citizens may vote
5 dies comitiales--citizens may vote
6 dies comitiales--- citizens may vote

A dies comitalis is a day on which citizens may vote on political or
criminal matters.
A dies fastus is a day on which legal action is permitted.
A dies nefastus is a day on which no legal action or public voting may
occur.
An endotercisus is a day that function as dies fastus in the morning and
dies comitalis in the afternoon.
A nefastus publicus is a day on which public religious festivals are
celebrated.

Edictum Praetorium Americum Mediatlanticum II Praetoris Equiti Marini:
Appointment of Legates

Gn. Equitius Marinus Praetoris Quiritibus salutem plurimam dixit:

Gallio Velius Marsallas is appointed Legatus for America Mediatlantica
Provincia. Legatus Velius Marsallas shall have principle authority
for provincial matters within regio Pennsylvania (the state of
Pennsylvania).

Marcus Ambrosius Incendium is appointed Legatus for America
Mediatlantica Provincia. Legatus Ambrosius Incendium shall have
principle authority for provincial matters within regio Nova Eboricum
(the state of New York).

Given under my hand in America Mediatlantica Provincia, ante diem X
Kal. Martias, MMDCCLVI a.u.c., this year of the consulship of
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus.

(20 Feb 2003 c.e.)

--
ex officio
Gn. Equitius Marinus
Praetor America Mediatlantica Provincia

Check out these psychos:

http://circle.inannasgarden.com/

Check out the toga party pics:

http://www.romanempire.net/romepage/
-----Original Message-----
From: Marcus Octavius Germanicus [mailto:hucke@...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 8:27 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Spinoffs, Imitators and Impostors



Salvete Cives,

Last month, a toy micronation called "Imperium of Nova Roma" appeared.
They seemed to consist only of a message board, on which they
discussed territorial disputes with other pretend micronations and
why they wouldn't change their name.

It now appears to have disappeared; the message board formerly at
that address has been shut down.

"Imperium Nova Roma" will be marked as VANISHED on our Imitators page.

"New Roman Republic" (respublicanova.tripod.com) has shut down.
Their site now refers people to Nova Roma and to "Imperium Romanorum".

"New Roman Republic" will be marked as INACTIVE on our Imitators page.

I learned of "Imperium Romanorum" for the first time today. They
claim to have existed from "2743 [sic] (2000 AD)". Much of their
Constitution was lifted directly from ours (yet they claim to be
the only "true heirs of that great civilization").

"Imperium Romanorum" has been added to our Spinoffs, Imitators and
Impostors page:

http://www.novaroma.org/etcetera/othergroups.html

Valete, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus,
Censor, Consular, Citizen.
http://cynico.net/~hucke/


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