Ex Officio Propraetoris Thulae

Edictum Propraetoricium XLV about Tax collecting in Thule Provincia
during the year 2756 AUC.

For the second time in the history of Nova Roma taxes (membership
fees) are to be paid in Nova Roma this year. Those who have paid
taxes will be counted as assidui and their votes will be worth more
than those who don't pay taxes. Only the assidui are be able to hold
central offices. Provincial positions will still be open to all.

It has shown to be a quite complicated task to send taxes to the USA,
where the central treasury is. After consulting the Consilium
Provinciale Thules I have decided to give the citizens of Nova Roma
living in Provincia Thule the following possibility.

Please observe that the following tax amounts are the prevailing
ones: (Denmark $9.43, Finland $8.62, Iceland $8.12, Norway $9.77 and
Sweden $8.26). These sums are the minimum tax for each Regio. Hereby
I and the Consilium recommend that all citizens in Thule pay $12
instead, observe that this is just an recommendation.

Please observe the following:

* that according to the law half of the taxes will be kept in the
Provincial Treasury for use in the Provincia.

* that all taxes (Annual Membership Fee) shall be in the Treasury by
April 31st! This means that they must be in the hands of the Legati
at least by April 18th.

*any citizen that pay their taxes later than the 31st of April will
have to pay a inceased amount of +50% accoirding to the law.

I. Every citizen that would like to pay their taxes should contact
their Legatus and send their taxes to the Legatus as the cost of
sending the taxes directly to the Propraetor (or central Treasury) is
very high and by using the Legatus to collect the money, each Regio
(country) will pay just one transfer fee.

II. The Legati will have to send the collected taxes of the Regio to
the Propraetor at the latest at the 23th of April. Each Legatus shall
also send a mail at the same time to the Propraetor with the (Roman
and real) name and e-mail address (or snail mail address) of each
citizen for which he has paid taxes.

III. The Propraetor shall after that send these collected taxes by
PayPal to the central Treasury.

IV All account numbers of the Legati that are needed will be sent
privately, as soon as possible, to each citizen that require such by
the Legatus of the Regio in question.

V. Each citizen will get a confirmation that her/his taxes are paid
from the central treasury or the Propraetor.

VI. This edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given March the 9th, in the year of the Consulship of Caeso Fabius
Quintilianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus, 2756 AUC.

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Propraetor Thules

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Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Ex Officio Propraetoris Thulae

Renuntatio Propraetoricium XI about the Conclusion of the Sixth
Plenum of the Consilium Provincale Thules at the 31st of February
until Saturday the 8th of March.

Three Legati have participated and Illustrus Titus Octavius Pius have
been forced to be absent during
most of the Plenum, so he has decided to abstain.

The votes
Item 1 Item 2 Item 3
Caius Curius Saturninus Uti Rogas Uti Rogas
Uti Rogas
Gallus Minucius Iovinus Uti Rogas Uti Rogas
Uti Rogas
Caius Rubellius Rufus Uti Rogas Uti Rogas
Uti Rogas
Titus Octavius Pius Abstineo Abstineo
Abstineo
Aulus Cornelius Sallust not heard from not heard from not heard from
Publius Candidianus Botius not heard from not heard from not heard from

Item 4 Item 5
Caius Curius Saturninus Uti Rogas Uti Rogas
Gallus Minucius Iovinus Uti Rogas Uti Rogas
Caius Rubellius Rufus Uti Rogas Uti Rogas
Titus Octavius Pius Abstineo Abstineo
Aulus Cornelius Sallust not heard from not heard from
Publius Candidianus Botius not heard from not heard from

Here is the meaning of the Latin words: Uti Rogas (Yes), Negat (No)
and Abstineo (Abstain)

All items were approved of and the following decisons were made.

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Item 1. The continuing Recruitment campaign and policy

Reporter: Legatus Regionis Finnicae Honorable Caius Curius Saturninus

Decision: We will proceed by creating the folowing two teams within
the Consilium.

I) Thule recruitment team
II) Thule information team

Further we (Honorable Caius Curius Saturninus) will also create the following

III) Website for recruitment and information

IV) From now on the Consilium list will be open for all Legati to
enable them to work with the above teams.

V) The members of the team will be decided by the Propraetor after
consulting all Legati and these teams will be a internal part of the
Consilium.

VI) Each Regio will have the goal to re-cruit three citizens until
the 31st of December 2756 A.U.C.

VII) The recruitment campaign in Provincia Thule is to be continued
with following guidelines.

1 Goals
-Regional goals
Each Regio of Provincia Thule has goal of recruiting 3 new citizens this year.
-Internet
A goal of several links to the Nova Roma webpages from various
organisations is set. A special goal are the history departments of
the Universities.
-Press
In each Regio there is a goal of getting at least one article to the
local newspaper.
-Radio
In the whole Provincia there is a goal of getting at least one
interview/presentation in the radio.

2 Means, forming of a recruitment team
The recruitment team shall be working on the tasks the Propraetor
assigns to them. The first task of the recruitment team is to form a
plan for recruitment actions.

For details see the addendum ( could be sent to Quirites in Thule.)

***************************
Item 2. Information material (brochure)

Reporter: Legatus Regionis Suecica Honorable Gallus Minucius Iovinus

Decision: to make the following material ( will be produced soon
according to the approved proposal) a "Pattern" set for a brochure
which may be modified in each Regio by each Legate:

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Item 3. The Conference of the Provincia

Reporter: Legatus Regionis Finnicae Honorable Caius Curius Saturninus

Decision:

The Conference of the Provincia Thule is to be arranged in the Summer
of 2004. The meeting shall consist of a official and a non-official
program and will last 3-7 days. Exact date will decided in the Spring
of 2004. The Conference is to be arranged in one of the following
locations, unless decided otherwise: 1) Turku (Ã…bo) 2) Stockholm 3)
Sävar. The goal is to get all the regional Legates to participate.

The agenda will be set later, a proposal exists.
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Item 4. The Taxes

Reporter: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus

Decision:

The following edict (see Edictum Propraetoricium XLV about Tax
collecting in Thule Provincia during the year 2756 AUC. ) is to be
issued.

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Item 5. Provincial Banner

Reporter: Legatus Regionis Suecica Honorable Gallus Minucius Iovinus

Decision:

This item is postphoned until the next Plenum of the Consilium. Until
then Honorable Gallus Minucius Iovinus has the task to prepare this
issue. His directive are to look for some old Roman symbol with
connection to the whole of old Thule or some heraldic symbol that may
be said to represent the Provincia well. He is to avoid the Christian
cross symbol. The Banner of the Kalmarunion (which includes the
Christian cross symbol) is to be our second choice if we can't find
the above.
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Salve,

Is it correct, that on the form for the application for the NAUMACHIAE,
there are only certain provinces available? I was unable to find the
provincia Germania!!!

Valete, TiAnO

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Tiberius Annaeus Otho (TiAnO) Factio Praesina
Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt


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EDICTVM·PROPRAETORICIVM
DE·ORDINATIONE·CONSILII
PROVINCIALIS






Relativo a la confirmación en la admistración provincial de Hispania

Ex Officio Propraetoris Hispaniae

I. Por este edicto confirmo en sus actuales cargos a los siguientes ciudadanos:

Ianus Minicius Sparsus como LEGATUS INTERNIS
Marcus Durmius Sisena como SCRIBA PROPRAETORIS ARENAE

Agripina Minicia Tibula como SCRIBA PROPRAETORIS PROCURATOR RETIS

Lucius Fabius Verus Pompaelianus como SCRIBA PROPRAETORIS MILITARUM

Titus Minicius Marianus como SCRIBA PROPRAETORIS AD LATINITATEM

Marianus Adrianus Sarus como SCRIBA PROPRAETORIS CURATORE CONFABULATORII

Caius Argentinus Cicero como SCRIBA PROPRAETORIS AD ANGLITANITATEM



II. Los puestos vacantes por dimisión serán cubiertos, tal como prevé el Cuarieconsultum de Electionibus Hispaniae, en su Capítulo V, apartado I, sección C. Mediante convocatoria electoral.







a.d. VII idus martiis MMDCCLVI a.U.c. año del consulado de Caeso Fabius Quintilianus y Titus Labienus Fortunatus


Caius Iulius Barcinus Ciconius

Propraetor Hispaniae






Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs
Col. Faventina Ivlia Avgvsta Paterna Barcino. Provincia Hispania.

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Congradulations to Tribune Lucius Didius Geminus
Sceptius.
Lucius Metellus Berkeliensis

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"OM AH HUNG BEZAR GURU PEMA SIDDHI HUNG"
The Vajra Guru Mantra

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Salve honorable Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius:
Congratulations colleague for your success, and welcome aboard!!!
I'm glad to have a new colleague!!!!

optime vale



Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Senator
Tribunus Plebis
Dominus Factionis Veneta
Propraetor provincialis Argentinae
http://argentina.novaroma.org
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Salve Illustrus honorable Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius!

Congratulations to your election as Tribune!
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

On behalf of the team of rogatores, I would like to
thank all of you who took the time to vote in the
recent election for Tribunus Plebis. I would also
like to congratulate Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius on
becoming our newest Tribune.

There was a much larger turnout than I expected for a
run-off election, and I was very glad to see it. Your
attention to the needs of Nova Roma resulted in one of
the two vacant Tribunus Plebis positions being filled.

One more election will be necessary, to fill the last
vacancy, and if the results from our last election are
an indicator, this will be a very close race. I ask
you all to once again please cast your votes for the
candidate of your choice.

~ Some helpful Voting Tips ~

As important as it is to vote, it is also important
for citizens to cast valid votes. Please, when
casting your ballot, click the 'Submit' button only
once, to prevent duplication.

Also, please remember that only your first ballot
counts. If you vote a second time in the same
election, your second ballot will be invalid.

Patricians, please remember that you cannot vote in
the Comitia Plebis Tributa.

Each slate of candidates displays with the candidates'
names on the left side of the screen, and the option
to abstain or to write in the name of a candidate not
appearing on the ballot, displays on the right sight
of the screen. The circle that a voter must click to
select a candidate appears to the LEFT of a selection.
So, if you see this when you vote:

( ) Spartacus (*) ABSTINEO

You will have voted to abstain. So please be careful
what you select. You can change your selection until
you click 'Submit.'

If you have any questions about voting, please feel
free to write to the Rogatores at:
mailto:rogatores@... and we will be glad to
help you.

---
Renata Corva
Sr. Rogatrix

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Chantal
http://www.theranweyr.org

"Yesterday, it worked.
Today, it is not working.
Windows is like that."

Salvete omnes

I would like to thank all the citizens who casted a vote, because it showes that our politicals has activity. I would like to encourage too voters to participiate for the next ellection and wishing candidates the best of it.
Thanks to all the voters who trusted me and I hope to do my best on the office.
And at last, I hope to be soon in contact with my colleagues to work togetherfor the best of Nova Roma.

vale bene,

L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS


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Salvete Quirites; et salve, Scepti.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Didius Geminus Sceptius"
<sceptia@y...> wrote:

> Salvete omnes
>
> I would like to thank all the citizens who casted a vote, because
> it showes that our politicals has activity. I would like to
> encourage too voters to participiate for the next ellection and
> wishing candidates the best of it.
> Thanks to all the voters who trusted me and I hope to do my best on
> the office.
> And at last, I hope to be soon in contact with my colleagues to
> work togetherfor the best of Nova Roma.
>
> vale bene,
>
> L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS

Congratulations on your election, Scepti!
And thank you to all those who have voted and to the candidates that
have been elected. You still have one more go, so don't loose heart!

CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF

Salvete Quirites; et salve, propraetor Hispaniae.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs
<xgemella@y...> wrote:

>
> EDICTVM·PROPRAETORICIVM
> DE·ORDINATIONE·CONSILII
> PROVINCIALIS
>
> Relativo a la confirmación en la admistración provincial de
> Hispania
>
> Ex Officio Propraetoris Hispaniae
>
> I. Por este edicto confirmo en sus actuales cargos a los
> siguientes ciudadanos:
>
> Ianus Minicius Sparsus como LEGATUS INTERNIS
> Marcus Durmius Sisena como SCRIBA PROPRAETORIS ARENAE
>
> Agripina Minicia Tibula como SCRIBA PROPRAETORIS PROCURATOR RETIS
>
> Lucius Fabius Verus Pompaelianus como SCRIBA PROPRAETORIS MILITARUM
>
> Titus Minicius Marianus como SCRIBA PROPRAETORIS AD LATINITATEM
>
> Marianus Adrianus Sarus como SCRIBA PROPRAETORIS CURATORE
> CONFABULATORII
>
> Caius Argentinus Cicero como SCRIBA PROPRAETORIS AD ANGLITANITATEM
>
>
>
> II. Los puestos vacantes por dimisión serán cubiertos, tal como
> prevé el Cuarieconsultum de Electionibus Hispaniae, en su Capítulo
> V, apartado I, sección C. Mediante convocatoria electoral.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> a.d. VII idus martiis MMDCCLVI a.U.c. año del consulado de Caeso

Fabius Quintilianus y Titus Labienus Fortunatus

>
>
> Caius Iulius Barcinus Ciconius
>
> Propraetor Hispaniae

Your edictum seems perfect... but I remind you that edicta must be
issued in English!

I will provide a translation for those who do not speak Spanish. But
next time please take care of the translation yourself.

"EDICTVM·PROPRAETORICIVM
DE·ORDINATIONE·CONSILII
PROVINCIALIS

About confirmations in the provincial administration of Hispania.
Ex Officio Propraetoris Hispaniae

I. By this edictum I confirm the following citizens in their current
positions:

Ianus Minicius Sparsus as LEGATUS INTERNIS
Marcus Durmius Sisena as SCRIBA PROPRAETORIS ARENAE
Agripina Minicia Tibula as SCRIBA PROPRAETORIS PROCURATOR RETIS
Lucius Fabius Verus Pompaelianus as SCRIBA PROPRAETORIS MILITARUM
Titus Minicius Marianus as SCRIBA PROPRAETORIS AD LATINITATEM
Marianus Adrianus Sarus as SCRIBA PROPRAETORIS CURATORE
CONFABULATORII
Caius Argentinus Cicero as SCRIBA PROPRAETORIS AD ANGLITANITATEM

II. Vacant positions due to resignation shall be covered according to
the Curiaeconsultum de Electionibus Hispaniae, chapter V, paragraph
I, section C, through electoral call.

a.d. VII idus martiis MMDCCLVI a.U.c. year of the consulship of
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus

Caius Iulius Barcinus Ciconius

Propraetor Hispaniae

CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF

Salvete omnes!

After the deadline for intercessio has passed this Tribune would like
to declare - as regards the recently issued Pontiffical Decretum -
that he views it as constitutional after having received
clarification from a pontiff but would like to point out the
following constitutional limits to its interpretation:

A Senatorial decree (which is to mean a Senatus Consultum) cannot
remove any sitting magistrate from elected office. This is a
prerogative of the Comitiae electing those magistrates as stated in
IV.A. of the Constitution. The immediate power of the decretum
therefore is limited to magistrates appointed by the Senate. For
other magistrates a SC has merely an advisory function for the
Comitiae who elected them, who can choose not to follow the advice.

Furthermore this decretum cannot supercede laws that were passed in
the Comitiae as is clearly stated in I.B. of the Constitution. Only
decreta for internal procedures are exempt from that (which this
decretum clearly is not. Therefore any part of this decretum that
contradicts - now or in future - a lex is void. In how far this is
the case is up to the magistrates and the Senate involved in a
blasphemy case to decide, subject to Tribunician veto.

Avete et Valete

Marcus Marcius Rex
Tribune of the Plebs

Ego, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) hoc ipso
facto sollemniter IVRO Novae Romae decus defendere et semper pro Novae Romae Populo atque Senatu agere. Ut Novae Romae magistratus ego Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) Romae deos deasque colere IVRO in omnibus publicae vitae temporibus atque Romanas virtutes et publica et privata vita persequi. Ego, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) Romanam religionem favere et defendere IVRO ut Novae Romae Reipublicae religionem et numquam agere ita ut eius status publicae religionis aliquid detrimenti capiat. Praeterea ego, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) IVRO quam optime fungi officium muneris Tribunus Plebis.Meo Novae Romae civis honore et coram Populi Romani deis atque deabus et eorum voluntate et favore, munus Tribunus Plebis ACCIPIO una cum iuribus, privilegiis. munera atque officia quae meum munus comportat.


In Nova Roma MMDCCLVI a.u.c.
Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval)

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I, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) do hereby
solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Tribunus Plebis to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Tribunus Plebis and all the rights, privileges, obligations,and responsibilities attendant thereto.

In Nova Roma MMDCCLVI a.u.c.
Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval)

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Yo, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) por la presente JURO solemnemente defender el honor de Nova Roma, y actuar siempre por los intereses de la gente y el Senado de Nova Roma.

Como magistrado de Nova Roma, yo, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) JURO honrar a los Dioses y las Diosas de Roma en mis actos
públicos, y perseguir las Virtudes Romanas en mi vida pública y privada.

Yo, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval), JURO mantener y defender la Religio Romana así como la Religión del Estado de Nova Roma y JURO nunca actuar de una manera que amenazaría su condición de Religión del Estado.

Yo,Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) JURO proteger y defender la Constitución de Nova Roma.

Yo, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) además JURO cumplir las obligaciones y responsabilidades del cargo de Tribuno de la Plebe al máximo de mis capacidades.

Para mi honor como Ciudadano de Nova Roma, y en presencia de los Dioses y
las Diosas de la gente Romana y por su voluntad y favor, ACEPTO el puesto de Tribuno de la Plebe y todos los derechos, privilegios, obligaciones
y responsabilidades que el cargo comporta.


En Nova Roma MMDCCLVI a.u.c.
Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval)

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Salve Illustrus Tiberius,

Not, it's uncorrect. Sorry, I'll correct the application form during
this afetrnoon.
Thank you very much!

Vale
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, TiAnO <tiberius_ann@y...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> Is it correct, that on the form for the application for the
NAUMACHIAE,
> there are only certain provinces available? I was unable to find
the
> provincia Germania!!!
>
> Valete, TiAnO
>
> =====
>
> Tiberius Annaeus Otho (TiAnO) Factio Praesina
> Lictor curiatus
> Translator linguae Germanicae
> Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
> Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
> Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
> Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt
>
>
> __________________________________________________
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Salve Sceptia,

take my congratulations for your appointment. I'm appreciating your
job in my Cohors and I'm sure you'll be a wonderful Magistrate.

To the other candidates, take my "Bonam Fortunam" for other
elections.

Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia Aventina"
<diana@p...> wrote:

> Tribunus Plebis Diana Moravia Aventina Comitia Plebis Tributa SPD
>
> Salvete,
>
> The results of the 3rd run-off election for the 2 vacant offices

of Tribunus

> Plebis
> have been certified by the Rogatores.
>
> Due to the small size of many plebeian Tribes, the identities of

the

> citizens that voted could easily
> be recognized, so the actual Tribe numbers won by each candidate

will not be

> published.
>
> Of the 35 tribes, 33 voted. Each candidate needed to win 18 or

more tribes

> in order to be elected:
>
> Results are:
>
> Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius: 19 Tribes
> Gaius Modius Athanasius: 15 Tribes
> Gaius Popillius Laenas : 15 Tribes
> Gaius Geminius Germanus: 6 Tribes
>
> Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius has been elected as Tribunus Plebis!
>
> Another run-off election will be needed to fill the one remaining

vacant

> position of Tribunus Plebis.
> The next run-off election shall be called within 30 days in

accordance with

> V.B.1.a. of the LEX LABIENIA DE RATIONE COMITIORUM PLEBIS

TRIBUTORUM.

>
> On behalf of myself and my colleagues Marcus Marcius Rex and

Lucius Pompeius

> Octavianus, I would like to welcome Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius

to the

> Tribunate and thank the other 3 candidates for their continued

participation

> and fortitude!
>
> My personal thanks to our team of Rogatores for all of their hard

work!

>
> Valete,
> Diana Moravia Aventina
> Tribunus Plebis

Salve Senator Maximus,

thank you very much for your support, I couldnt' explain better the
Naumachiae as you have did.
Thank you for your suggestions too, this is the first international
version of the Naumachiae and we have to work to improve this
wonderful and funny game. We need helps like yours and my Cohors are
working.
This text will be published in teh official Naumachiae website
creating by me.
Thank you again and I hope you subcribe the game too.

NOVA ROMANS, JOIN NAUMACHIAE ... the new exciting game of Nova
Roma!!!

Vale
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, qfabiusmaxmi@a... wrote:
> THE NAUMACHIAE
>
> The recent declaration by the Aediles of a Naumachia or
> naval contest begs the question, what exactly were these?
>
>
> The Romans of the Principate had a tendency for taking
> melodramatic spectacles fusing both fantasy with reality
> in an extravagant manner. A demonstration of this desire
> were the naumachiae, mock naval contests which were
> staged at enormous expense. These were too large to be
> performed in the arena, and needed their own places.
> Some arenas like the Flavian did have large basins of water
> where miniature ships could be maneuvered, but these were
> only shadow achievements when compared to the great
> ones which dozens of warships and thousands of oarsmen
> and gladiators took part. The largest of these shows we have
> chronicled was held by the Emperor Claudius on Lake Fucino,
> a natural lake in the Abruzzi Mountains. We have two descriptions
> of the event Tacitus in Annals and Seutonius Life of Claudius
> from his "The XII Emperors." Tacitus claims that no less than
19,000
> condemned prisoners had manned the ships. Suetonius claimed only
> 24 ships for the same event.
> Most historians believe Suetonius to be correct, the Empire was at
peace,
> where would they get 19,000 prisoners, but the building of 24
ships with
> their crews manning them was notable accomplishment, and a
> huge crowd pleaser. The event even had a mechanical Triton
constructed
> of silver, rise up from the water, and blow into a conch shell
> starting the event. (The first recorded animaltronic.
> Disney must be disappointed.)
> After the battle the lake was drained.
>
> Emperor Nero had two large ships built to represent Roman and
> Carthaginian 5 banked ships from the Punic War. There on Lake
Nemi,
> Nero would hold mock boarding battles, for the entertainment of
his
> selected guests. Since Nemi was 12 miles from Rome, the average
> Roman never saw the spectacle.
>
> The Naumachiae that were held in the City itself were on an
artificial
> lake, called the stagna. The largest of these complexes that can
be
> seen today in Trastevere and was built by Augustus in late 20s
BCE.
> It was an oval measuring approx.536 yards x 357 yards. Supposedly
there
> was an island 100 yards round in the center. This lake was large
enough to
> allow the use of war galleys, Biremes and Liburnians, perhaps even
Triremes.
>
> Augustus in "Res Gestae" tells us he staged a version of the sea
battle of
> Salamis which in all had 30 biremes and smaller craft.
> A bireme is a galley with two levels of oars. With 15 ships a
side,
> a respectable battle could be fought in a space this size.
>
> Romans gave their contests a historical theme. Usually to
celebrate
> sea victories of the Republic or Empire. Sometimes Greek battles
> were celebrated, Emperor Titus staged the naval battle of Syracuse
> which the Athenians who lost the original battle but won in the
refight.
>
> The battle the Aediles wish to commemorate in this Naumachia is
the
> victory at Cape Ecnomus off the Sicilian coast in 256 BCE. There
350
> Carthaginian 5 oar galleys attempted to double envelop a Roman
fleet
> of 328 5 oar galleys accompanied by 80 transports. The
Carthaginian
> center was broken through before the wings could envelop the
Romans.
> The Carthaginians fled, losing 30 galleys sunk, 50 captured.
> Roman loses were 24 galleys sunk. This victory allowed the Romans
> to invade Carthage, where the Roman army under Consul
> Regulus was destroyed a year later.
>
> People interested in taking part in this event should go to
> http://aediles.novaroma.org/apulus/ludi/naumachiae.htm
> and sign up.
>
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
> Curator SodalitasMunerum
> Nova Roma
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete,

Patricia Cassia and I have just returned from Rome. I've got a LOT of email
answering and posting to do, but wanted to respond to this question regarding
the Blaspemy Decretum.

Marcus Marcius, I do hope that there will be no constitutionality problem
with the Decretum. The Constitution clearly gives the Collegium Pontificum
power to issue decretums regarding religious issues. This decretum merely
sets a clear policy on how the Collegium Pontificum would deal with public
blasphemy issues should they occur in the future. The Decretum does not
affect the Constitution itself... it merely outlines internal Collegium
procedures for approaching the issue.

Several Citizens have publicly asked for such a decretum in this forum. The
Collegium Pontificum has issued this decretum specifically at their request.
We make it clear that should a 'blasphemy' issue arise, the matter could be
solved equitibly with no consequences - and if it continued the matter would
be turned over to the Senate and Praetors for fair public process, rather
than prosecuted arbitrarily or privately by the Collegium Pontificum.

In any case, to answer your question, a Senatorial Decree would be a Senatus
Consultum, or Senatus Consultum Ultimatum.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus

Marcus Marcius Rex wrote:

While pondering over the constitutionality of this decree I came up
with one question for clarification:

What exactly is a senatorial decree?

>
> III. A magistrate who violates the clause and the warning, may be

removed from office by Senatorial decree before any hearing may be
conducted. Failure of such a decree, shall mean the magistrate will
not be tried while sitting, but at end of his term shall immediately
be subject to his hearing.

Marcus Marcius Rex





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Salve All

I would like to ask anyone interested in joining a new Egroup for
Canada Occidentalis to go the link below, and join! (:-)

Quintus Sertorius

Canada-Occidentalis-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

Salve All

Here it the home page for the Egroup for Canada Occidentalis, I
missed sending it in the last email I sent to NR's Egroup.

Quintus Sertorius

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canada-Occidentalis

Ave

"Most historians believe Suetonius to be correct, the Empire was at peace,
where would they get 19,000 prisoners, but the building of 24 ships with
their crews manning them was notable accomplishment, and a
huge crowd pleaser. The event even had a mechanical Triton constructed
of silver, rise up from the water, and blow into a conch shell
starting the event. (The first recorded animaltronic.
Disney must be disappointed.)
After the battle the lake was drained."

I heard or read a story about this battle. The prisoners allegedly hailed
Claudius and swore "We who are about to die, salute you" In response,
Claudius dryly muttered "We'll see." The prisoners then refused to fight,
and didn't until Claudius apologized.

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From: qfabiusmaxmi@... [mailto:qfabiusmaxmi@...]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:41 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] NAUMACHIA OF ROMA


THE NAUMACHIAE

The recent declaration by the Aediles of a Naumachia or
naval contest begs the question, what exactly were these?


The Romans of the Principate had a tendency for taking
melodramatic spectacles fusing both fantasy with reality
in an extravagant manner. A demonstration of this desire
were the naumachiae, mock naval contests which were
staged at enormous expense. These were too large to be
performed in the arena, and needed their own places.
Some arenas like the Flavian did have large basins of water
where miniature ships could be maneuvered, but these were
only shadow achievements when compared to the great
ones which dozens of warships and thousands of oarsmen
and gladiators took part. The largest of these shows we have
chronicled was held by the Emperor Claudius on Lake Fucino,
a natural lake in the Abruzzi Mountains. We have two descriptions
of the event Tacitus in Annals and Seutonius Life of Claudius
from his "The XII Emperors." Tacitus claims that no less than 19,000
condemned prisoners had manned the ships. Suetonius claimed only
24 ships for the same event.
Most historians believe Suetonius to be correct, the Empire was at peace,
where would they get 19,000 prisoners, but the building of 24 ships with
their crews manning them was notable accomplishment, and a
huge crowd pleaser. The event even had a mechanical Triton constructed
of silver, rise up from the water, and blow into a conch shell
starting the event. (The first recorded animaltronic.
Disney must be disappointed.)
After the battle the lake was drained.

Emperor Nero had two large ships built to represent Roman and
Carthaginian 5 banked ships from the Punic War. There on Lake Nemi,
Nero would hold mock boarding battles, for the entertainment of his
selected guests. Since Nemi was 12 miles from Rome, the average
Roman never saw the spectacle.

The Naumachiae that were held in the City itself were on an artificial
lake, called the stagna. The largest of these complexes that can be
seen today in Trastevere and was built by Augustus in late 20s BCE.
It was an oval measuring approx.536 yards x 357 yards. Supposedly there
was an island 100 yards round in the center. This lake was large enough to
allow the use of war galleys, Biremes and Liburnians, perhaps even
Triremes.

Augustus in "Res Gestae" tells us he staged a version of the sea battle of
Salamis which in all had 30 biremes and smaller craft.
A bireme is a galley with two levels of oars. With 15 ships a side,
a respectable battle could be fought in a space this size.

Romans gave their contests a historical theme. Usually to celebrate
sea victories of the Republic or Empire. Sometimes Greek battles
were celebrated, Emperor Titus staged the naval battle of Syracuse
which the Athenians who lost the original battle but won in the refight.

The battle the Aediles wish to commemorate in this Naumachia is the
victory at Cape Ecnomus off the Sicilian coast in 256 BCE. There 350
Carthaginian 5 oar galleys attempted to double envelop a Roman fleet
of 328 5 oar galleys accompanied by 80 transports. The Carthaginian
center was broken through before the wings could envelop the Romans.
The Carthaginians fled, losing 30 galleys sunk, 50 captured.
Roman loses were 24 galleys sunk. This victory allowed the Romans
to invade Carthage, where the Roman army under Consul
Regulus was destroyed a year later.

People interested in taking part in this event should go to
http://aediles.novaroma.org/apulus/ludi/naumachiae.htm
and sign up.


Q. Fabius Maximus
Curator SodalitasMunerum
Nova Roma






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Sounds like a lawsuit

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From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio [mailto:scipio_apollonius@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 1:52 PM
To: Omnes
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Aerarium


Salvete Omnes,

As you may already know, I have some health problem and I discovered that
my employer
made a terrible mistake in my insurance policy. I was wandering a while
ago if I was not
about to loose everything. Fortunately, my health is somewhat doing better
and my
employer, after several letters through lawyers, admitted that he made a
mistake. He
finally offered me a job in Paris although I am still wandering about the
insurance.
I have not been active enough for Nova Roma and some delays might take
place sometimes. I
am sorry for the inconvenience, but I hope the situation will come back to
normal soon.

Valete,

> The Senate approved this years revised Budget about 9 days ago. I
> have asked my Quaestor to send that document for update within a
> week, I expect to see it there soon. Still my Quaestor Illustrus
> Sextus Apollonius Scipio has terrible problems with his health so it
> could take afew days more. Please be patient.

=====
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Consular Quaestor 2756 AUC
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Salvete omnia,



The ides of march is coming. There isn´t more roman day on all calendar. I personally always used to remember the ides of march with my family, reading Plutarch and making some small familiar theather about. Near mars, I fell like a children near christimas.

And as ever, It is a pleasure share a so great date with all Nova Roma friends.



PLUTARCH - LIFE OF CAESAR - EXTRACT



LXVI. For these things, they may seem to come by chance; but the place where the murther was prepared, and where the Senate were assembled, and where also there stood up an image of Pompey dedicated by himself amongst other ornaments which he gave unto the theatre, all these were manifest proofs, that it was the ordinance of some god that made this treason to be executed, specially in that very place. It is also reported, that Cassius (though otherwise he did favour the doctrine of Epicurus) beholding the image of Pompey, before they entered into the action of their traitorous enterprise, he did softly call upon it to aid him: but the instant danger of the present time, taking away his former reason, did suddenly put him into a furious passion, and made him like a man half besides himself. Now Antonius, that was a faithful friend to Caesar, and a valiant man besides of his hands, him Decius Brutus Albinus entertained out of the Senate-house, having begun a long tale of set purpose. So Caesar coming into the house, all the Senate stood up on their feet to do him honour. Then part of Brutus' company and confederates stood round about Caesar's chair, and part of them also came towards him, as though they made suit with Metellus Cimber, to call home his brother again from banishment: and thus prosecuting still their suit, they followed Caesar till he was set in his chair. Who denying their petitions, and being offended with them one after another, because the more they were denied the more they pressed upon him and were the earnester with him, Metellus at length, taking his gown with both his hands, pulled it over his neck, which was the sign given the confederates to set upon him. Then Casca, behind him, strake him in the neck with his sword; howbeit the wound was not great nor mortal, because it seemed the fear of such a devilish attempt did amaze him and take his strength from him, that he killed him not at the first blow. But Caesar, turning straight unto him, caught hold of his sword and held it hard; and they both cried out, Caesar in Latin:

" O vile traitor Casca, what doest thou?"

and Casca, in Greek, to his brother:

"Brother, help me."

At the beginning of this stir, they that were present, not knowing of the conspiracy, were so amazed with the horrible sight they saw, they had no power to fly, neither to help him, nor so much as once to make an outcry. They on the other side that had conspired his death compassed him in on every side with



[p. 101] their swords drawn in their hands, that Caesar turned him no where but he was stricken at by some, and still had naked swords in his face, and was hackled and mangled among them, as a wild beast taken of hunters. For it was agreed among them that every man should give him a wound, because all their parts should be in this murther : and then Brutus himself gave him one wound about his privities. Men report also, that Caesar did still defend himself against the rest, running every way with his body: but when he saw Brutus with his sword drawn in his hand, then he pulled his gown over his head, and made no more resistance, and was driven either casually or purposedly , by the counsel of the conspirators, against the base whereupon Pompey's image stood, which ran all of a gore-blood till he was slain. Thus it seemed that the image took just revenge of Pompey's enemy, being thrown down on the ground at his feet, and yielding up the ghost there, for the number of wounds he had upon him. For it is reported, that he had three and twenty wounds upon his body: and divers of the conspirators did hurt themselves, striking one body with so many blows.





This text really shakes me!

Valete,



L. Arminius Faustus

Senior Plebeian Aedile, Quaestor,

Interpreter (lingua lusitaniae), Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae.

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Iliad, Homer, book XX

The answer of Hector about Achilles' speeches.



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Salve,

yes, your history is correct. The phrase you have written "We who are
about to die, salute you" is the latin and famous "IMPERATOR,
MORITURI TE SALUTANT" is written only in a historical source about
the Naumachiae organized by Claudius (52 d.c. - Lake Fucino).
But the famous historical films mistakes, this words were said only
in this event.

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "jlasalle" <jlasalle@s...> wrote:
> Ave
>
> "Most historians believe Suetonius to be correct, the Empire was at
peace,
> where would they get 19,000 prisoners, but the building of 24 ships
with
> their crews manning them was notable accomplishment, and a
> huge crowd pleaser. The event even had a mechanical Triton
constructed
> of silver, rise up from the water, and blow into a conch shell
> starting the event. (The first recorded animaltronic.
> Disney must be disappointed.)
> After the battle the lake was drained."
>
> I heard or read a story about this battle. The prisoners allegedly
hailed
> Claudius and swore "We who are about to die, salute you" In
response,
> Claudius dryly muttered "We'll see." The prisoners then refused to
fight,
> and didn't until Claudius apologized.
>
> The LaSalle Law Office
> 417 East 13th Street
> Kansas City, Missouri 64106
> (816).471.2111
> (816).510.0072(cell)
> (816).471.8412(Fax)
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> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:41 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] NAUMACHIA OF ROMA
>
>
> THE NAUMACHIAE
>
> The recent declaration by the Aediles of a Naumachia or
> naval contest begs the question, what exactly were these?
>
>
> The Romans of the Principate had a tendency for taking
> melodramatic spectacles fusing both fantasy with reality
> in an extravagant manner. A demonstration of this desire
> were the naumachiae, mock naval contests which were
> staged at enormous expense. These were too large to be
> performed in the arena, and needed their own places.
> Some arenas like the Flavian did have large basins of water
> where miniature ships could be maneuvered, but these were
> only shadow achievements when compared to the great
> ones which dozens of warships and thousands of oarsmen
> and gladiators took part. The largest of these shows we have
> chronicled was held by the Emperor Claudius on Lake Fucino,
> a natural lake in the Abruzzi Mountains. We have two descriptions
> of the event Tacitus in Annals and Seutonius Life of Claudius
> from his "The XII Emperors." Tacitus claims that no less than
19,000
> condemned prisoners had manned the ships. Suetonius claimed only
> 24 ships for the same event.
> Most historians believe Suetonius to be correct, the Empire was
at peace,
> where would they get 19,000 prisoners, but the building of 24
ships with
> their crews manning them was notable accomplishment, and a
> huge crowd pleaser. The event even had a mechanical Triton
constructed
> of silver, rise up from the water, and blow into a conch shell
> starting the event. (The first recorded animaltronic.
> Disney must be disappointed.)
> After the battle the lake was drained.
>
> Emperor Nero had two large ships built to represent Roman and
> Carthaginian 5 banked ships from the Punic War. There on Lake
Nemi,
> Nero would hold mock boarding battles, for the entertainment of
his
> selected guests. Since Nemi was 12 miles from Rome, the average
> Roman never saw the spectacle.
>
> The Naumachiae that were held in the City itself were on an
artificial
> lake, called the stagna. The largest of these complexes that can
be
> seen today in Trastevere and was built by Augustus in late 20s
BCE.
> It was an oval measuring approx.536 yards x 357 yards. Supposedly
there
> was an island 100 yards round in the center. This lake was large
enough to
> allow the use of war galleys, Biremes and Liburnians, perhaps even
> Triremes.
>
> Augustus in "Res Gestae" tells us he staged a version of the sea
battle of
> Salamis which in all had 30 biremes and smaller craft.
> A bireme is a galley with two levels of oars. With 15 ships a
side,
> a respectable battle could be fought in a space this size.
>
> Romans gave their contests a historical theme. Usually to
celebrate
> sea victories of the Republic or Empire. Sometimes Greek battles
> were celebrated, Emperor Titus staged the naval battle of Syracuse
> which the Athenians who lost the original battle but won in the
refight.
>
> The battle the Aediles wish to commemorate in this Naumachia is
the
> victory at Cape Ecnomus off the Sicilian coast in 256 BCE. There
350
> Carthaginian 5 oar galleys attempted to double envelop a Roman
fleet
> of 328 5 oar galleys accompanied by 80 transports. The
Carthaginian
> center was broken through before the wings could envelop the
Romans.
> The Carthaginians fled, losing 30 galleys sunk, 50 captured.
> Roman loses were 24 galleys sunk. This victory allowed the Romans
> to invade Carthage, where the Roman army under Consul
> Regulus was destroyed a year later.
>
> People interested in taking part in this event should go to
> http://aediles.novaroma.org/apulus/ludi/naumachiae.htm
> and sign up.
>
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
> Curator SodalitasMunerum
> Nova Roma
>
>
>
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Salvete Quirites; et salve, tribune M. Marci Rex.

I would like to publicly congratulate you on your decision.
It was a difficult decision to make, because many points were obscure
and many interests were at stake. But I think that you have managed
to point out what had to be left clear.

Thank you, tribune!

CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP

Salvete omnes quirites

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Bene valete

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Gaivs Lanivs Falco Quiritibus S.P.D.

On Sunday, March 2 I attended a Nova Britannia event at the Worcester Art
Museum. Prior to the formal lecture I spent some time admiring the many
Roman antiquities at the museum, least of which are the eight large mosaics
excavated from Roman Antioch. Digital photographs of these and other
treasures can be seen at the Nova Britannia provincial website at

www.shinjikun.com (click on "Pinotheca")

Dr. John J. Dobbins, Joukowsky lecturer, began his dual slide-illustrated
lecture with an overview of the forum at Pompeii, including its major
buildings and a history of the forum's evolution. He then shifted the focus
of the lecture to the most unusual and important building on the forum, the
Imperial Cult Building (Sanctuary of the Public Lares). The plan, highly
articulated walls, and bold treatment of interior space set the Imperial Cult
Building apart. There is nothing like it at Pompeii; it is more similar to
later buildings in Rome, including the Pantheon, than to any contemporary
structure in Rome or Pompeii.

Dr. Dobbins commented on the function and date of the Imperial Cult Building,
and he also examined its design, in itself and in comparison to that of other
Roman buildings, emphasizing the structure's importance within the history of
Roman architecture. I found his talk immensely enjoyable and informative,
and would recommend attending other lectures by Dr. Dobbins.

As future events become known, I encourage all Nova Romans within driving
distance to attend these wonderful experiences. Not only will you learn more
about ancient Roman society, you will also have the opportunity to meet with
fellow cives and discuss what you have in common. This is a great way
enhance your participation in Nova Roma, and hopefully you will want to
return again. To check on upcoming programs, please visit the Nova Britannia
Provincial website at

www.shinjikun.com (click on "Kalendarium")

Valete, respectfully

GAIVS LANIVS FALCO
-----------------------------------------------
Legatus Provincia Nova Britannia
Acting Praefectus Sodalitas Egressus, Provincia Britannia


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Salve What was this guy smoking?

Tiberius

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Subject: [Nova-Roma] For a good laugh

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Salvete,

My thanks to Tribune Marcus Marcius Rex for deciding that the Blasphemy
Decretum is constitutional. I would like to make a couple of observations
about the 'Constitutional limits' cited:

Tribune Marcius Rex wrote:
A Senatorial decree (which is to mean a Senatus Consultum) cannot
remove any sitting magistrate from elected office. This is a
prerogative of the Comitiae electing those magistrates as stated in
IV.A. of the Constitution. The immediate power of the decretum
therefore is limited to magistrates appointed by the Senate. For
other magistrates a SC has merely an advisory function for the
Comitiae who elected them, who can choose not to follow the advice.

Cassius respondit:
It seems to me that if a problem was severe enough, the Senate could invest
the Consuls or a Dictator with the power to remove an official elected by the
Comitiae, (at least temporarily, pending further legal evaluations) through
a Senatus Consultum Ultimum. This is covered under section V. (E) of the
Constitution:

Section V (E):
"The Senate shall have the power to issue the Senatus consultum ultimum (the
ultimate decree of the Senate). When in effect, this decree will supersede
all other governmental bodies and authorities (with the exception of the
dictator) and allow the Senate to invest the consuls with absolute powers to
deal with a specific situation, subject only to their collegial veto and
review by the Senate. Even under the authority of the Senatus consultum
ultimum, the consuls may only temporarily suspend this Constitution; they may
not enact any permanent changes hereto."

The Decretum issued by the Collegium Pontificum used the words "Senate
decree" in place of both Senatus Consultum (which would be binding over
officials appointed by the Senate) and the Senatus Consultum Ultimum. (One
could easily argue that the Collegium could have been more specific, but we
were trying to keep the Decretum short.)

M. Marcius Rex:
Furthermore this decretum cannot supercede laws that were passed in
the Comitiae as is clearly stated in I.B. of the Constitution. Only
decreta for internal procedures are exempt from that (which this
decretum clearly is not. Therefore any part of this decretum that
contradicts - now or in future - a lex is void. In how far this is
the case is up to the magistrates and the Senate involved in a
blasphemy case to decide, subject to Tribunician veto.

Cassius respondit:
True enough. There was of course, no need to spell this out within the
Decretum itself; the hierarchy of authority spelled out in Section I (B) of
the Constitution and runs thusly:

1. Edicts of a legally appointed Dictator, if one were to be appointed by the
Senate.
2. Edicts passed by Consuls empowered by a Senatus Consultum Ultimatum.
2. The Constitution
3. Laws passed by the Comitiae
4. Decretum passed by the Collegium Pontificum
5. Decretum passed by the Collegium Augurarium
6. Senatus Consultae
7. Magisterial Edictae

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus


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Salvete omnes!

A full journal of our trip to Rome would be far too long, but we wanted
to let you know about a couple of the high points of our journey:

-- We stayed at the Quality Inn Traiano, and we had a very pleasant
experience. The hotel is across from Trajan's Markets, and you can see
Trajan's Column from the doorway. The staff were very helpful and the
rates relatively reasonable (including a good breakfast). We were
within an easy walk of the Roman Forum, the Imperial Forums, the
Colosseum, the Capitoline and Palatine hills. Nearby Piazza Venezia is
a hub for buses, so it was easy to go further afield.

-- We saw many fascinating sites and museums, but one high point of the
trip was a day out in the ruins of Ostia Antica. Easily accessible by
commuter train, the excavated portions of the port town include bars,
private homes, a theater, many temples, a synagogue and a Christian
basilica. Because the site is so large, it is easy to find yourself
wandering alone down an ancient street, able to visualize its past
without the distraction of other tourists. We brought a picnic, and ate
our lunch in what turned out to be a Mithraeum, one of the 18 temples
of Mithras found in the city.

-- On our last night, we met with a few of the Nova Romans from Italy,
including Praetor Manius Constantinus Serapio, Marcus Iulius Perusinus,
Aurelia Iulia Pulchra, and their friends Antonio and Rafaella, who
brought their 5-month-old daughter, a beautiful and charming young lady
with the fine Roman name of Giulia.

We toured the Casae Romanae, a newly-opened site on the Celian hill,
with the remains of a pair of insulae (Roman apartment buildings) which
had been knocked together to form a private home in about the 3rd
century CE. There were beautiful frescoes, including a late one with a
Christian theme, showing the changes that took place on the site over
time. We then returned to the 21st century and had ice cream (gelato)
at a sidewalk cafe, where I learned that the Roma football team is
vastly superior to the Lazio football team, and everyone got to laugh
at my feeble Italian.

Manius Constantinus met us again for dinner, and we went to Magna Roma,
a not-to-be-missed restaurant run by an archaeologist, Professor
Nicastro (I hope I've spelled that right), featuring a genuine ancient
Roman dining experience. OK, there were no dining couches, but the
dishes, tableware (no fork, just a spoon), wines and foods were all
historically accurate, with the professor himself giving an
introduction to the many dishes. Not only was it a fascinating
historical experience, but the food was utterly delicious! Cassius kept
saying "It's wonderful," and the professor kept saying, "No, don't say
that till the meal is over!" He still hasn't stopped saying how
wonderful it was. (Merlinia Ambrosia, if you're out there, we brought
back a copy of the menu for you and will share it at MithraCon.)

While we were talking, it turned out that the man at the next table was
another Nova Roman, Lucius Iulius Sulla, with his girlfriend Cristiana,
and they joined us for part of the meal. We were very pleased to meet
so many of Provincia Italia's Citizens, and very much enjoyed their
warmth and good cheer.

We would like to publicly thank Manius Constantinus for graciously
sharing his hospitality and knowledge -- we never would have found
either the Casae Romanae or Magna Roma without his help, and it was a
great pleasure to get to know him a little better. He made a long train
trip from Turin to see us, and we hope it was worthwhile for him! In
addition, it is clear that Provincia Italia is growing in numbers and
activity, and we were very impressed by the work he is undertaking.

Constantinus also recommended a wonderful store called EraRoma, near
the Vatican, which supplied us with beautiful Roman earrings (a
Matronalia gift for me from Cassius!), engraved marble plaques, and
even a little ballista! We can't wait to get it set up and shoot
pencils across the lawn.

Here are a few URLs:
EraRoma (the site is in Italian, but this products page will give you
an idea of some of their items): http://www.eraroma.it/web/prodotti.htm
Magna Roma restaurant: http://www.magnaroma.com/
Quality Inn Traiano: http://www.venere.com/it/roma/traiano/
Enjoy Rome (very helpful site for English-speaking tourists):
http://www.enjoyrome.com

This was truly a dream come true for us. It may take some time for us
to save enough for another visit, but we are definitely planning to
return.

The photos are still in the camera's memory, but we'll put some of them
online in the next few days.

-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@...

M IVL PERVSIANVS PATRICIAE CASSIAE MARCO CASSIO SPD

thank you Senators for your kind words. We were all so happy you both
enjoyed your staying here in Rome. And (these are also words from our
friends) we did enjoy your company and the pleasant walk and visit we
had together.
I believe that after meeting you the NR Provincia Italia gained two
new citizens ;-) Should I say 2 and half considering Giulia?

We all should remember that NR is also an amazing way to know people
with a different culture and figure out that, after all, is not that
different! (thanks to our common ancestors) :-)

Thank you for being our guests!

Valete
Post Scriptum: the Derby ASRoma - Lazio match was a draw ;-)
And, let us say once again, we were so surprised how your Italian is
good!


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Patricia Cassia <pcassia@n...>
wrote:

> Salvete omnes!
>
> A full journal of our trip to Rome would be far too long, but we

wanted

> to let you know about a couple of the high points of our journey:
>
> -- We stayed at the Quality Inn Traiano, and we had a very pleasant
> experience. The hotel is across from Trajan's Markets, and you can

see

> Trajan's Column from the doorway. The staff were very helpful and

the

> rates relatively reasonable (including a good breakfast). We were
> within an easy walk of the Roman Forum, the Imperial Forums, the
> Colosseum, the Capitoline and Palatine hills. Nearby Piazza Venezia

is

> a hub for buses, so it was easy to go further afield.
>
> -- We saw many fascinating sites and museums, but one high point of

the

> trip was a day out in the ruins of Ostia Antica. Easily accessible

by

> commuter train, the excavated portions of the port town include

bars,

> private homes, a theater, many temples, a synagogue and a

Christian

> basilica. Because the site is so large, it is easy to find yourself
> wandering alone down an ancient street, able to visualize its past
> without the distraction of other tourists. We brought a picnic, and

ate

> our lunch in what turned out to be a Mithraeum, one of the 18

temples

> of Mithras found in the city.
>
> -- On our last night, we met with a few of the Nova Romans from

Italy,

> including Praetor Manius Constantinus Serapio, Marcus Iulius

Perusinus,

> Aurelia Iulia Pulchra, and their friends Antonio and Rafaella, who
> brought their 5-month-old daughter, a beautiful and charming young

lady

> with the fine Roman name of Giulia.
>
> We toured the Casae Romanae, a newly-opened site on the Celian

hill,

> with the remains of a pair of insulae (Roman apartment buildings)

which

> had been knocked together to form a private home in about the 3rd
> century CE. There were beautiful frescoes, including a late one

with a

> Christian theme, showing the changes that took place on the site

over

> time. We then returned to the 21st century and had ice cream

(gelato)

> at a sidewalk cafe, where I learned that the Roma football team is
> vastly superior to the Lazio football team, and everyone got to

laugh

> at my feeble Italian.
>
> Manius Constantinus met us again for dinner, and we went to Magna

Roma,

> a not-to-be-missed restaurant run by an archaeologist, Professor
> Nicastro (I hope I've spelled that right), featuring a genuine

ancient

> Roman dining experience. OK, there were no dining couches, but the
> dishes, tableware (no fork, just a spoon), wines and foods were all
> historically accurate, with the professor himself giving an
> introduction to the many dishes. Not only was it a fascinating
> historical experience, but the food was utterly delicious! Cassius

kept

> saying "It's wonderful," and the professor kept saying, "No, don't

say

> that till the meal is over!" He still hasn't stopped saying how
> wonderful it was. (Merlinia Ambrosia, if you're out there, we

brought

> back a copy of the menu for you and will share it at MithraCon.)
>
> While we were talking, it turned out that the man at the next table

was

> another Nova Roman, Lucius Iulius Sulla, with his girlfriend

Cristiana,

> and they joined us for part of the meal. We were very pleased to

meet

> so many of Provincia Italia's Citizens, and very much enjoyed

their

> warmth and good cheer.
>
> We would like to publicly thank Manius Constantinus for graciously
> sharing his hospitality and knowledge -- we never would have found
> either the Casae Romanae or Magna Roma without his help, and it was

a

> great pleasure to get to know him a little better. He made a long

train

> trip from Turin to see us, and we hope it was worthwhile for him!

In

> addition, it is clear that Provincia Italia is growing in numbers

and

> activity, and we were very impressed by the work he is undertaking.
>
> Constantinus also recommended a wonderful store called EraRoma,

near

> the Vatican, which supplied us with beautiful Roman earrings (a
> Matronalia gift for me from Cassius!), engraved marble plaques, and
> even a little ballista! We can't wait to get it set up and shoot
> pencils across the lawn.
>
> Here are a few URLs:
> EraRoma (the site is in Italian, but this products page will give

you

> an idea of some of their items):

http://www.eraroma.it/web/prodotti.htm

> Magna Roma restaurant: http://www.magnaroma.com/
> Quality Inn Traiano: http://www.venere.com/it/roma/traiano/
> Enjoy Rome (very helpful site for English-speaking tourists):
> http://www.enjoyrome.com
>
> This was truly a dream come true for us. It may take some time for

us

> to save enough for another visit, but we are definitely planning to
> return.
>
> The photos are still in the camera's memory, but we'll put some of

them

> online in the next few days.
>
> -----
> Patricia Cassia
> Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
> Nova Roma . pcassia@n...

Salvete,

I, Diana Moravia Aventina (Joanne Agate-Amodea) do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of
Franciscus Apulus Caesar while I hold this office, except when such action
would be illegal or unconstitutional.

I, Diana Moravia Aventina further swear to fulfill the obligations and
Responsibilities of the office of SCRIBA AEDILIS AD NARRATIONIBUS to the
best of my Abilities while following the Roman virtues and ideals.

I, Diana Moravia Aventina swear to give faithful service to my magistrate,
and not to divulge any information discussed in confidence. I understand
that I serve solely at the discretion of my magistrate.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of SCRIBA AEDILIS AD NARRATIONIBUS with all the privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

11 martius 2756

Salvete Omnia,



Hear the muses singing from the Summits of Mount Parnasus!

Polimnia and Queen Caliope lead the Choir!

Apolo move his golden fingers on the harp, Euterpe gives the compass on the triangle.

Terpsicore, followed by the virgins of Arcadia, dances for delight of all immortals.

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I believe the only oath gladiators ever took was that they agreed to be
whipped, burned, or killed with iron weapons

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Salve,

yes, your history is correct. The phrase you have written "We who are
about to die, salute you" is the latin and famous "IMPERATOR,
MORITURI TE SALUTANT" is written only in a historical source about
the Naumachiae organized by Claudius (52 d.c. - Lake Fucino).
But the famous historical films mistakes, this words were said only
in this event.

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile

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> Ave
>
> "Most historians believe Suetonius to be correct, the Empire was at
peace,
> where would they get 19,000 prisoners, but the building of 24 ships
with
> their crews manning them was notable accomplishment, and a
> huge crowd pleaser. The event even had a mechanical Triton
constructed
> of silver, rise up from the water, and blow into a conch shell
> starting the event. (The first recorded animaltronic.
> Disney must be disappointed.)
> After the battle the lake was drained."
>
> I heard or read a story about this battle. The prisoners allegedly
hailed
> Claudius and swore "We who are about to die, salute you" In
response,
> Claudius dryly muttered "We'll see." The prisoners then refused to
fight,
> and didn't until Claudius apologized.
>
> The LaSalle Law Office
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> From: qfabiusmaxmi@a... [mailto:qfabiusmaxmi@a...]
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:41 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] NAUMACHIA OF ROMA
>
>
> THE NAUMACHIAE
>
> The recent declaration by the Aediles of a Naumachia or
> naval contest begs the question, what exactly were these?
>
>
> The Romans of the Principate had a tendency for taking
> melodramatic spectacles fusing both fantasy with reality
> in an extravagant manner. A demonstration of this desire
> were the naumachiae, mock naval contests which were
> staged at enormous expense. These were too large to be
> performed in the arena, and needed their own places.
> Some arenas like the Flavian did have large basins of water
> where miniature ships could be maneuvered, but these were
> only shadow achievements when compared to the great
> ones which dozens of warships and thousands of oarsmen
> and gladiators took part. The largest of these shows we have
> chronicled was held by the Emperor Claudius on Lake Fucino,
> a natural lake in the Abruzzi Mountains. We have two descriptions
> of the event Tacitus in Annals and Seutonius Life of Claudius
> from his "The XII Emperors." Tacitus claims that no less than
19,000
> condemned prisoners had manned the ships. Suetonius claimed only
> 24 ships for the same event.
> Most historians believe Suetonius to be correct, the Empire was
at peace,
> where would they get 19,000 prisoners, but the building of 24
ships with
> their crews manning them was notable accomplishment, and a
> huge crowd pleaser. The event even had a mechanical Triton
constructed
> of silver, rise up from the water, and blow into a conch shell
> starting the event. (The first recorded animaltronic.
> Disney must be disappointed.)
> After the battle the lake was drained.
>
> Emperor Nero had two large ships built to represent Roman and
> Carthaginian 5 banked ships from the Punic War. There on Lake
Nemi,
> Nero would hold mock boarding battles, for the entertainment of
his
> selected guests. Since Nemi was 12 miles from Rome, the average
> Roman never saw the spectacle.
>
> The Naumachiae that were held in the City itself were on an
artificial
> lake, called the stagna. The largest of these complexes that can
be
> seen today in Trastevere and was built by Augustus in late 20s
BCE.
> It was an oval measuring approx.536 yards x 357 yards. Supposedly
there
> was an island 100 yards round in the center. This lake was large
enough to
> allow the use of war galleys, Biremes and Liburnians, perhaps even
> Triremes.
>
> Augustus in "Res Gestae" tells us he staged a version of the sea
battle of
> Salamis which in all had 30 biremes and smaller craft.
> A bireme is a galley with two levels of oars. With 15 ships a
side,
> a respectable battle could be fought in a space this size.
>
> Romans gave their contests a historical theme. Usually to
celebrate
> sea victories of the Republic or Empire. Sometimes Greek battles
> were celebrated, Emperor Titus staged the naval battle of Syracuse
> which the Athenians who lost the original battle but won in the
refight.
>
> The battle the Aediles wish to commemorate in this Naumachia is
the
> victory at Cape Ecnomus off the Sicilian coast in 256 BCE. There
350
> Carthaginian 5 oar galleys attempted to double envelop a Roman
fleet
> of 328 5 oar galleys accompanied by 80 transports. The
Carthaginian
> center was broken through before the wings could envelop the
Romans.
> The Carthaginians fled, losing 30 galleys sunk, 50 captured.
> Roman loses were 24 galleys sunk. This victory allowed the Romans
> to invade Carthage, where the Roman army under Consul
> Regulus was destroyed a year later.
>
> People interested in taking part in this event should go to
> http://aediles.novaroma.org/apulus/ludi/naumachiae.htm
> and sign up.
>
>
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I have a question, where on the website is the page with the info about taxes? Such as address for snail mail, etc?
Alexandria Iulia Agrippa


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Alexandria Iulia Agrippa asked:
<<I have a question, where on the website is the page with the info about taxes? Such as address for snail mail, etc?>>

http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/edicts/consul-2003-03-03-i.htm

Hope that helps ;-)

Gnaeus Octavius Noricus
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Ave Alexandria Iulia,

The surface mail address for taxes is:

Nova Roma | Post Office Box 1897 | Wells, Maine 04090

It is the address listed at the bottom of the Nova Roma website.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

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I have a question, where on the website is the page with the info about taxes? Such as address for snail mail, etc?
Alexandria Iulia Agrippa


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Many thanks, I did a search on the website and didn't come with anything useful. Maybe a link on the financial section would help?
Alexandria (who is mailing taxes)

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Alexandria Iulia Agrippa asked:
<<I have a question, where on the website is the page with the info about taxes? Such as address for snail mail, etc?>>

http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/edicts/consul-2003-03-03-i.htm

Hope that helps ;-)

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Salve, Quinte

You are quite right - I forgot to include the mailing address for
subscriptions! For others who are also wondering, the surface mailing
address to subscribe to The Eagle is

NOVA ROMA Eagle
5496 Ross Court
New Market, MD 21774

Vale,

Gaivs Lanivs Falco
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Salve Romans

That time has come ,again, when I must ask, plead, beg and cajole you to take out a subscription to the Eagle ,

YOUR Eagle, Your newsletter.

Right now all across Nova Roma, your fellow citizens are hard at work writing articles , making drawing and a host of other things that will amaze you ,

But ONLY if you take out a subscription to the Eagle.

"If you Don't get it You Don't Get it"

Here are some of the great thing you are missing out on:

the Consul of the month address UNDE STO, CURULIS
Nova Roma fiction
Nova Roma Religio Romana
Nova Roma Indicium FYI
Nova Roma Roman Law By Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Nova Roma Cultus Animi by Saxus Pitrinius Atheniensis
Nova Roma Bonus Eventus/ Birthday list Nova Roma
"Letters from the Provinces" or something else G. Modius Athanasius
Nova Roma Recessions (book Reviews) Senator Palladius et al
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EDICTUM AEDILICIUM II DE CEREALIA

(12th march 2003)





Ex Officio Plebeian Aediles


The Plebeain Aediles, by this edict, have the pleasure to confirm and announce the date of the Cerealia Ludi this year, 2756 AUC.

The Cerealia Ludi Celebration shall be 12 to 19 of april, inscriptions open to all Nova Roma citizens.

The aediles keep the right to postpone the announce of the winners of the contests up to three days after the ending.

The Cerealia is one of the most famous ludi of Ancient Rome, in honor to Ceres, the goddess of Agriculture as well as a deity deeply worshipped by the plebeian class.

As agreed with our fellow Curules Aediles, future announces of the nature of the celebrations, except the Literary Contest, shall be provided later.

We make together the vows that Mother Ceres be satisfied by this humble Ludi and may she shines upon our Res Publica and enlight it with great accomplishments.



Given three days before the ides of march, in the year of the consulship of Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus, 2756 AUC.






L. Arminius Faustus and M. Scribonius Curio Britannicus

Plebeian Aediles



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AVETE OPTIMI PATRICIA CASSIA ET MARCE CASSI IVLIANE

I really thank you for your very kind words. I can assure you that it
has been a real pleaure and a honour to meet you both!
Just I must make clear that I am not the Praetor of Provincia Italia.
The propraetor is Franciscus Apulus Caesar: we could say I am his
vice. ;-)

> We would like to publicly thank Manius Constantinus for graciously
> sharing his hospitality and knowledge

Oh, *I* thank you for bearing my terrible english!

>He made a long train
> trip from Turin to see us, and we hope it was worthwhile for him!

It definitely was! ;-)

> The photos are still in the camera's memory, but we'll put some of

them

> online in the next few days.

I look forward to see them!

Thank you for the maple syrup. It's really delcious!

OPTIME VALE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio

The neutrality of Nova Roma

Currently the United States of American and the Republic of Iraq are
poised on the brink of war. Nova Roma is a global community
containing citizens of many nations sharing a common citizenship in
our micronation.

Among these many citizens of Nova Roma it is natural that diverse
opinions exist concerning the appropriateness of a .of an US-led war
vs. Iraq. We do not expect, nor do we request or require that our
citizens adopt any particular position with respect to this conflict,
save only that all citizens shall make every possible effort to
respect the considered opinions of their fellow Nova Roman citizens.

A significant number of Nova Roman citizens are members of the armed
forces of their respective macronations. Some of these citizens may
be called away to serve in the anticipated war. Without endorsing the
position held by any particular nation, we acknowledge and salute
these courageous citizens as they prepare for this coming conflict.
Whatever your individual belief about the rightness or wrongness of
the coalition countries positions please join us in recognizing the
manifestation of the Virtues in these brave people, our brother and
sister citizens.

Nova Roma respects Islam and all other religions as we expect others
to respect the Religio Romana.

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Titus Labienus Fortunatus
Consul Consul
Nova Roma Nova Roma

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Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Salve Tribunes of Nova Roma

This is a draft do any of you have ANY problems with any of this?

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum

DRAFT >
Salve Romans the new and Senate approved patron program of the Eagle!!!!!

If you would like to be listed in the EAGLE as a Patron all you have
to do is pick from the following Levels and send in your check.

Clines (client) Level I 50.00 Donation
Cultor (fosterner) Level II 125.00 Donation
Amicus (friend) Level III 250.00 Donation
Comes (partner) Level IV 400.00 Donation
Patronus (patron) Level V 500.00 Donation

"What do I get if I am a Patron of the Eagle", you ask? Good question

If you sign up for the Clines level you will receive
One year subscription to the Eagle and your name on the Patron Page.

If you sign up for the Cultor Level you will receive a ONE year
subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
special certificate on your patron level.

If you sign up for the Amicus Level you will receive a ONE year
subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
special certificate on your patron level and a Special Eagle mug
naming you " a friend and ally of the Roman people"

If you sign up for the Comes Level you will receive a ONE year
subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
special certificate on your patron level and a Special Eagle patron
mug naming you " a friend and ally of the Roman people" and a
special drawing of the Nova Roma Eagle SPQR symbol by the Eagle's
resident artist.

If you sign up for the Patronus Level V you will receive a ONE year
subscription to the Eagle, your name on the Patron Page and a
special certificate on your patron level and a Special Eagle patron
mug naming you " a friend and ally of the Roman people" and a
special self portrait by the Eagle's resident artist and an issue
dedicated to YOU!!!!!

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum

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Salve Honorable Julia Gladia Quintiliana!

Welcome as a new citizen to Nova Roma, Provincia Thule and Regio
Finnica! Both as Senior Consul and Propraetor (Governor) of Thule I
wish that your new citizenship will bring You many new good friends
and a lot of interesting new knowledge.

Don't hestitate to contact me personally if You think that I can be
of any assistance. Good luck!
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Salvete!
I have updated my Homepage again and included the military items and their
prices. If anyone of you has any questions, feel free to contact me! Also I
would like those of you that are interested in a NR Ring ask to contact me
soon, so that I will know how many have to be made. Also please let me know if
you want to have it in a different material. The golden ring will be limited to
25 pieces ever.
Valete, Caius Tarquitius Saturninus!

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Salvete Omnes,

An interesting article from earlier this afternoon.

350,000-Year-Old Footprints Discovered

By RICK CALLAHAN, Associated Press Writer

Scientists in Italy have discovered 350,000-year-old tracks that may be the oldest known footprints
made by Stone Age man.

The prints were made by three early, upright-walking humans as they descended the treacherous side
of a volcano — perhaps to escape an eruption, researchers reported in Thursday's issue of the
journal Nature.

Other scientists said that while the prints appear well-preserved, they add little to knowledge
about human evolution, since footprints of far older human ancestors have been found. But they said
the tracks are still a sobering testament to long-ago journeys across a harsh terrain.

One of the footprint trails zigzags to find the safest path down the steep incline. Another includes
handprints someone left as he steadied himself in a precarious spot, only to slide a short ways down
the slope.

"You're looking at an event that happened 350,000 years ago — someone made an imprint on a surface,
walking in a way you'd expect to see someone in these same conditions walk today," said Owen
Lovejoy, an anthropologist at Kent State University who was not involved in the research. "It adds
another cog in the connect between ourselves and our ancestors."

Who left the 56 footprints is not clear. But their discoverers suggest either late Homo erectus or
Homo heidelbergensis — two early human species found in Europe during the Paleolithic era, also
known as the Stone Age. The tracks were dated between 325,000 and 385,000 years old.

Footprints left by the upright-walking, prehuman species Australopithecus afarensis were found in
1977 in Tanzania, imprinted in volcanic mud 3.6 million years old — making them 10 times older than
the new discovery.

"The bottom line is that these are interesting curiosities that do not advance our knowledge of what
happened when in human evolution," said Tim White, a University of California paleontologist who
co-discovered the most famous Australopithecus fossil, dubbed Lucy, in Ethiopia in 1974.

The more recent tracks were found in southern Italy's rugged Roccamonfina volcano complex, north of
present-day Naples.

The footprints' makers were short — just under 5 feet tall — based on the prints' size of less than
8 inches in length, the researchers said.

The trails were left by three individuals who walked across a cooled but recent volcanic flow of
rock fragments, ash and gases. A short time later, the volcano erupted again, blanketing the
footprints with a thick layer of ash that preserved them for the ages, said Paolo Mietto of the
University of Padua, Italy.

The tracks show that their owners were descending, not climbing, he said.

"The idea that these humans were escaping an eruption ... is attractive, and is supported by the
fact that all tracks have the same direction, outwards from the volcano's main crater," Mietto said.

Local residents had long known of the footprints, and referred to them and animal tracks preserved
near the volcano as "devils' trails."

Mietto said the prints are unmistakably human in origin, as some preserve the foot's plantar arch
and individual toe prints.
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- Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator
Civis Nova Romana et Paterfamilias
Legatus Occidentalis pro Magna Lacus

Domus Familias
http://www.geocities.com/gens_ulleria/index.html

Dominus Sodalis
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

Hostes alienigeni me abducerunt; qui annus est?
(Aliens kidnapped me; what year is it?)

Salvete Quirites et Salve Illustrus Caius Tarquitius Saturninus!

I would like to propose that we discuss if we in Nova Roma should
have ab official Citizen's Ring. Such a ring seem to have been in
existance during the Republic, but mostly done in Iron. There where
also rings of gold. What do you the citizens of Nova Roma think?

The article below has been edited by me to suit my purpose. ;-)

The following article is by Leonhard Schmitz, Ph.D., F.R.S.E., Rector
of the High School of Edinburgh on pp 95-97 of William Smith, D.C.L.,
"A Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities", John Murray, London,
1875. LL.D. It was found at RomanSites at :
http://www.ukans.edu/history/index/europe/ancient_rome/E/Roman/Texts/secondary/SMIGRA*/Annulus.html



ANNULUS (daktuvlioV), a ring.

RINGS IN GREECE
Every freeman in Greece appears to have used a ring; and, at least in
the earliest times, not as an ornament, but as an article for use, as
the ring always served as a seal. Rings were mostly worn on the
fourth finger (paravmesoV, Plut. Sympos. Fragm. lib.iv; Gellius,
x.10). The Lacedaemonians are said to have used iron rings at all
times (Plin. H.N. xxxiii.4). With the exception perhaps of Sparta,
the law does not appear to have ever attempted in any Greek state to
counteract the great partiality for this luxury; and nowhere in
Greece does the right of wearing a gold ring appear to have been
confined to a particular order or class of citizens.

RINGS IN ROME
The custom of wearing rings was believed to have been introduced into
Rome by the Sabines, who are described in the early legends as
wearing gold rings with precious stones (gemmati annuli) of great
beauty (Liv. i.11; Dionys. ii.38). Florus (i.5) states that it was
introduced from Etruria in the reign of Tarquinius Priscus, and Pliny
(l.c.) derives it from Greece. The fact that among the statues of the
Roman kings in the capitol, two, Numa and Servius Tullius, were
represented with rings, can scarcely be adduced as an argument for
their early use, as later artists would naturally represent the kings
with such insignia as characterized the highest magistrates in later
times.

IRON RINGS - CITIZEN'S RINGS
But at whatever time rings may have become customary at Rome, thus
much is certain, that at first they were always of iron, that they
were destined for the same purpose as in Greece, namely, to be used
as seals, and that every free Roman had a right to use such a ring.
This iron ring was used down to the last period of the republic by
such men as loved the simplicity of the good old times. Marius wore
an iron ring in his triumph over Jugurtha, and several noble families
adhered to the ancient custom, and never wore gold ones (Plin. H.N.
xxxiii.6).

GOLDEN RINGS AND SENATORIAL AMBASSADORS
When senators in the early times of the republic were sent as
ambassadors to a foreign state, they wore during the time of their
mission gold rings, which they received from the state, and which
were perhaps adorned with some symbolic representation of the
republic, and might serve as a state-seal. But ambassadors used gold
rings only in public; in private they wore their iron ones (Plin.
H.N. xxxiii.4).

IUS ANNULI AUREI - THE RIGHT TO WEAR A GOLDEN SEAL RING
In the course of time it became customary for all the senators, chief
magistrates, and at last for the equites also, to wear a gold
seal-ring (Liv. ix.7, 46, xxvi.36; Cic. c. Verr. iv.25; Liv.
xxiii.12; Flor. ii.6). This right of wearing a gold ring, which was
subsequently called the jus annuli aurei, or the jus annulorum,
remained for several centuries at Rome the exclusive privilege of
senators, magistrates, and equites, while all other persons continued
to use iron ones (Appian, de Reb. Pun. 104).

CONFERRING THE RIGHT TO WEAR RINGS
Magistrates and governors of provinces seem to have had the right of
conferring upon inferior officers, or such
persons as had distinguished themselves, the privilege of wearing a
gold ring. Verres thus presented his secretary with a gold ring in
the assembly at Syracuse (Cic. c. Verr. iii.76, 80, ad Fam. x.32;
Suet. Caes. 39). During the empire the right of granting the annulus
aureus belonged to the emperors, and some of them were not very
scrupulous in conferring this privilege.

THE STATUS OF THE RING-WEARER
The status of a person who had received the jus annuli appears to
have differed at different times. During the republic and the early
part of the empire the jus annuli seems to have made a person
ingenuus (if he was a libertus), and to have raised him to the rank
of eques, provided he had the requisite equestrian census (Suet.
Galb. 10, 14; Tacit. Hist. i.13 ii.57), and it was probably never
granted to any one who did not possess this census (Juv. Sat. xi.42;
Mart. viii.5, ii.57).

THE PRACTICAL PURPOSES
The practical purposes, for which rings, or rather the figures
engraved upon them, were used at all times, were the same as those
for which we use our seals. Besides this, however, persons, when they
left their houses, used to seal up such parts as contained stores or
valuable things, in order to secure them from thieves, especially
slaves (Plat. de Leg. xii. p954; Aristop. Thesmoph. 414, &c.; Plaut.
Cas. ii.1.1; Cic. ad Fam. xvi.26, de Orat. ii.61; Mart. ix.88). ...
The signs engraved upon rings were very various, as we may judge from
the specimens still extant: they were portraits of ancestors, or
friends, or subjects connected with the mythology, or the worship of
the gods; and in many cases a person had engraved upon his seal
symbolical allusions to the real or mythical history of his family
(Cic. in Catil. iii.5; Val. Max. iii.5.1; Cic. de Finib. v.1; Suet.
Tib. 58, 63; Plin. H.N. ii.7, &c.). Sulla thus wore a ring with a
gem, on which Jugurtha was represented at the moment he was made
prisoner (Plin. H.N. xxxvii.4; Plut. Mar. 10). Pompey used a ring on
which three trophies were represented (Dion Cass. xlii.18), and
Augustus at first sealed with a sphinx afterwards with a portrait of
Alexander the Great, and at last with his own portrait, which was
subsequently done by several emperors (Plin. H.N. xxxvii.4; Suet.
Aug. 50; Dion Cass. li.3; Spartian. Hadr. 26).

THE VALUE OF A RING
The principal value of a ring consisted in the gem framed in it, or
rather in the workmanship of the engraver. The stone most frequently
used was the onyx (sardw'noV, sardovnux), on account of its various
colours, of which the artists made the most skillful use. In the art
of engraving figures upon gems, the ancients in point of beauty and
execution far surpass every thing in this department that modern
times can boast of. The ring itself (sfendovnh), in which the gem was
set, was likewise in many cases of beautiful workmanship. The part of
the ring which contained the gem was called pala. ...
--
Valete

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor of Thule
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"

The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an official opinion of Nova Roma
************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
"Do not give in to hate. That leads to the dark side."
************************************************
Caeso, he who also is known as Christer Edling.
************************************************
PRIVATE PHONE: +90 - 10 09 10

Ave,

This has been an issue that has been thrown around in the Gens Cornelia. We are slowly working on the formation of a Gens ring. I do not think it necessary to have a Nova Roma ring...but instead each gens should have its own "signet ring."

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

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From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
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Cc: caiustarquitius@...
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 2:18 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings


Salvete Quirites et Salve Illustrus Caius Tarquitius Saturninus!

I would like to propose that we discuss if we in Nova Roma should
have ab official Citizen's Ring. Such a ring seem to have been in
existance during the Republic, but mostly done in Iron. There where
also rings of gold. What do you the citizens of Nova Roma think?

The article below has been edited by me to suit my purpose. ;-)

The following article is by Leonhard Schmitz, Ph.D., F.R.S.E., Rector
of the High School of Edinburgh on pp 95-97 of William Smith, D.C.L.,
"A Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities", John Murray, London,
1875. LL.D. It was found at RomanSites at :
http://www.ukans.edu/history/index/europe/ancient_rome/E/Roman/Texts/secondary/SMIGRA*/Annulus.html



ANNULUS (daktuvlioV), a ring.

RINGS IN GREECE
Every freeman in Greece appears to have used a ring; and, at least in
the earliest times, not as an ornament, but as an article for use, as
the ring always served as a seal. Rings were mostly worn on the
fourth finger (paravmesoV, Plut. Sympos. Fragm. lib.iv; Gellius,
x.10). The Lacedaemonians are said to have used iron rings at all
times (Plin. H.N. xxxiii.4). With the exception perhaps of Sparta,
the law does not appear to have ever attempted in any Greek state to
counteract the great partiality for this luxury; and nowhere in
Greece does the right of wearing a gold ring appear to have been
confined to a particular order or class of citizens.

RINGS IN ROME
The custom of wearing rings was believed to have been introduced into
Rome by the Sabines, who are described in the early legends as
wearing gold rings with precious stones (gemmati annuli) of great
beauty (Liv. i.11; Dionys. ii.38). Florus (i.5) states that it was
introduced from Etruria in the reign of Tarquinius Priscus, and Pliny
(l.c.) derives it from Greece. The fact that among the statues of the
Roman kings in the capitol, two, Numa and Servius Tullius, were
represented with rings, can scarcely be adduced as an argument for
their early use, as later artists would naturally represent the kings
with such insignia as characterized the highest magistrates in later
times.

IRON RINGS - CITIZEN'S RINGS
But at whatever time rings may have become customary at Rome, thus
much is certain, that at first they were always of iron, that they
were destined for the same purpose as in Greece, namely, to be used
as seals, and that every free Roman had a right to use such a ring.
This iron ring was used down to the last period of the republic by
such men as loved the simplicity of the good old times. Marius wore
an iron ring in his triumph over Jugurtha, and several noble families
adhered to the ancient custom, and never wore gold ones (Plin. H.N.
xxxiii.6).

GOLDEN RINGS AND SENATORIAL AMBASSADORS
When senators in the early times of the republic were sent as
ambassadors to a foreign state, they wore during the time of their
mission gold rings, which they received from the state, and which
were perhaps adorned with some symbolic representation of the
republic, and might serve as a state-seal. But ambassadors used gold
rings only in public; in private they wore their iron ones (Plin.
H.N. xxxiii.4).

IUS ANNULI AUREI - THE RIGHT TO WEAR A GOLDEN SEAL RING
In the course of time it became customary for all the senators, chief
magistrates, and at last for the equites also, to wear a gold
seal-ring (Liv. ix.7, 46, xxvi.36; Cic. c. Verr. iv.25; Liv.
xxiii.12; Flor. ii.6). This right of wearing a gold ring, which was
subsequently called the jus annuli aurei, or the jus annulorum,
remained for several centuries at Rome the exclusive privilege of
senators, magistrates, and equites, while all other persons continued
to use iron ones (Appian, de Reb. Pun. 104).

CONFERRING THE RIGHT TO WEAR RINGS
Magistrates and governors of provinces seem to have had the right of
conferring upon inferior officers, or such
persons as had distinguished themselves, the privilege of wearing a
gold ring. Verres thus presented his secretary with a gold ring in
the assembly at Syracuse (Cic. c. Verr. iii.76, 80, ad Fam. x.32;
Suet. Caes. 39). During the empire the right of granting the annulus
aureus belonged to the emperors, and some of them were not very
scrupulous in conferring this privilege.

THE STATUS OF THE RING-WEARER
The status of a person who had received the jus annuli appears to
have differed at different times. During the republic and the early
part of the empire the jus annuli seems to have made a person
ingenuus (if he was a libertus), and to have raised him to the rank
of eques, provided he had the requisite equestrian census (Suet.
Galb. 10, 14; Tacit. Hist. i.13 ii.57), and it was probably never
granted to any one who did not possess this census (Juv. Sat. xi.42;
Mart. viii.5, ii.57).

THE PRACTICAL PURPOSES
The practical purposes, for which rings, or rather the figures
engraved upon them, were used at all times, were the same as those
for which we use our seals. Besides this, however, persons, when they
left their houses, used to seal up such parts as contained stores or
valuable things, in order to secure them from thieves, especially
slaves (Plat. de Leg. xii. p954; Aristop. Thesmoph. 414, &c.; Plaut.
Cas. ii.1.1; Cic. ad Fam. xvi.26, de Orat. ii.61; Mart. ix.88). ...
The signs engraved upon rings were very various, as we may judge from
the specimens still extant: they were portraits of ancestors, or
friends, or subjects connected with the mythology, or the worship of
the gods; and in many cases a person had engraved upon his seal
symbolical allusions to the real or mythical history of his family
(Cic. in Catil. iii.5; Val. Max. iii.5.1; Cic. de Finib. v.1; Suet.
Tib. 58, 63; Plin. H.N. ii.7, &c.). Sulla thus wore a ring with a
gem, on which Jugurtha was represented at the moment he was made
prisoner (Plin. H.N. xxxvii.4; Plut. Mar. 10). Pompey used a ring on
which three trophies were represented (Dion Cass. xlii.18), and
Augustus at first sealed with a sphinx afterwards with a portrait of
Alexander the Great, and at last with his own portrait, which was
subsequently done by several emperors (Plin. H.N. xxxvii.4; Suet.
Aug. 50; Dion Cass. li.3; Spartian. Hadr. 26).

THE VALUE OF A RING
The principal value of a ring consisted in the gem framed in it, or
rather in the workmanship of the engraver. The stone most frequently
used was the onyx (sardw'noV, sardovnux), on account of its various
colours, of which the artists made the most skillful use. In the art
of engraving figures upon gems, the ancients in point of beauty and
execution far surpass every thing in this department that modern
times can boast of. The ring itself (sfendovnh), in which the gem was
set, was likewise in many cases of beautiful workmanship. The part of
the ring which contained the gem was called pala. ...
--
Valete

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senator et Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor of Thule
AUCTOR LEGIONIS, Legio VII "Res Publica"

The Opinions expressed are my own,
and not an official opinion of Nova Roma
************************************************
The homepage of Senior Curule Aedile
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and his Cohors Aedilis
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/
************************************************
The homepage of the Nova Roma Provincia Thule:
http://thule.novaroma.org/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
"Do not give in to hate. That leads to the dark side."
************************************************
Caeso, he who also is known as Christer Edling.
************************************************
PRIVATE PHONE: +90 - 10 09 10

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Caeso Fabius Quintilianus wrote:
<<I would like to propose that we discuss if we in Nova Roma should
have ab official Citizen's Ring.>>

and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix responded:
<<I do not think it necessary to have a Nova Roma ring...but instead each gens should have its own "signet ring.">>

I like the idea of a Novaroman Citizens' ring. As Senator L. Cornelius points out, each gens should be allowed to design its own ring. Great idea! Maybe we could agree on a symbol (the NR laurels?) to be embossed into the ring so that it is a symbol both for Nova Roma and for the individual gens.

Gnaeus Octavius Noricus

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Salve!
The Idea behind the NR ring was to increase the NR treasury in a good
manner. As the number of rings would not be too big, it would cost more than the
usual ones, and instead of earning something I would give the money to NR. I
first thought about making the golden ring available only to patricians and
Equestrians, but... well, that's stupid. The gentes-rings are a good idea, too,
but such things would be too costly for most people, I guess. I thought the
original ring design is nice, and the inscription I suggested would be liked
by the citizens. If not, well, give some suggestions.
Valete, Caius Tarquitius Saturninus.

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Salvete,

> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus wrote:
> <<I would like to propose that we discuss if we in Nova Roma should
> have ab official Citizen's Ring.>>
>
> and Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix responded:
> <<I do not think it necessary to have a Nova Roma ring...but instead each gens should have its own "signet ring.">>
>
> as did Cnaeus Octavius Noricus:
> I like the idea of a Novaroman Citizens' ring. As Senator L. Cornelius points out, each gens should be allowed to design its own ring. Great idea! Maybe we could agree on a symbol (the NR laurels?) to be embossed into the ring so that it is a symbol both for Nova Roma and for the individual gens.

And I agree with the three. The idea of having a Nova Roman Citizen's ring sounds nice to me. It gives a team feeling (used for lack of better phrasing). But, at the same time, so too does the signet ring, only differing in that it is on a gens-by-gens basis as opposed to the countrywide basis.

As I said, I like both ideas. My only additive thought is that the gentes' signet rings not be considered "official rings of Nova Roma." I'm not sure of exactly how, but it could get us into legal trouble.

Valete,

Sp. Postumius Tubertus

"In domo maiorum vivimus."

Salve,

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Vale,

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Ave!

I believe that should you offer what you feel is marketable to the general
citizen public and that would have the widest appeal-in order to raise the
most revenue for NR. If people want something fancy and personal, contract
with them on an individual basis and make a profit. But for the basic SPQNR
ring, I suggest you do it any way you want to. As a charitable act, I
believe you should have as much leeway as you want.

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Salve!
The Idea behind the NR ring was to increase the NR treasury in a good
manner. As the number of rings would not be too big, it would cost more
than the
usual ones, and instead of earning something I would give the money to NR.
I
first thought about making the golden ring available only to patricians
and
Equestrians, but... well, that's stupid. The gentes-rings are a good idea,
too,
but such things would be too costly for most people, I guess. I thought
the
original ring design is nice, and the inscription I suggested would be
liked
by the citizens. If not, well, give some suggestions.
Valete, Caius Tarquitius Saturninus.

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I would love to have a NR ring. Are you planning on a NR signet type ring?

Caius Titinius Varus

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Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:12 PM
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Ave!

I believe that should you offer what you feel is marketable to the general
citizen public and that would have the widest appeal-in order to raise the
most revenue for NR. If people want something fancy and personal, contract
with them on an individual basis and make a profit. But for the basic SPQNR
ring, I suggest you do it any way you want to. As a charitable act, I
believe you should have as much leeway as you want.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola

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Salve!
The Idea behind the NR ring was to increase the NR treasury in a good
manner. As the number of rings would not be too big, it would cost more
than the
usual ones, and instead of earning something I would give the money to NR.
I
first thought about making the golden ring available only to patricians
and
Equestrians, but... well, that's stupid. The gentes-rings are a good idea,
too,
but such things would be too costly for most people, I guess. I thought
the
original ring design is nice, and the inscription I suggested would be
liked
by the citizens. If not, well, give some suggestions.
Valete, Caius Tarquitius Saturninus.

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Salve!
The link to the ring is here:
http://www.tarquitii.com/roma_eterna/id11.html

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Salvete,
Strictly speaking a Signet ring is a mark of an
indiviual, not of a group. It was a means of verifying
that a document was in fact from the person it claimed
to be from.

The decoration on a Signet ring was also a personal
statement about the user, or in Imperial times a
political statement of the Princeps. Pompeius Magnus
used a Lion bearing a sword. Julius Caesar used an
armed Venus. Divus Augustus used a sphinx, then the
head of Alexander the Great, and finaly his own image.

Divus Claudius allowed citizens to wear rings with his
image on them, and this lead to coin rings being made
containing an Imperial coin bearing the Image of Divus
Claudius set in a ring in place of a stone. These
Claudian Coin rings are the closest precedent I can
think of for a citizens ring that everyone might wear.



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> I would love to have a NR ring. Are you planning on
> a NR signet type ring?
>
> Caius Titinius Varus
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jlasalle
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 8:12 PM
> Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Annulus - Roman rings -
> Nova Roman Rings
>
>
> Ave!
>
> I believe that should you offer what you feel is
> marketable to the general
> citizen public and that would have the widest
> appeal-in order to raise the
> most revenue for NR. If people want something
> fancy and personal, contract
> with them on an individual basis and make a
> profit. But for the basic SPQNR
> ring, I suggest you do it any way you want to. As
> a charitable act, I
> believe you should have as much leeway as you
> want.
>
> Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
>
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> Kansas City, Missouri 64106
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> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 6:56 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
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> Nova Roman Rings
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>
> Salve!
> The Idea behind the NR ring was to increase the
> NR treasury in a good
> manner. As the number of rings would not be too
> big, it would cost more
> than the
> usual ones, and instead of earning something I
> would give the money to NR.
> I
> first thought about making the golden ring
> available only to patricians
> and
> Equestrians, but... well, that's stupid. The
> gentes-rings are a good idea,
> too,
> but such things would be too costly for most
> people, I guess. I thought
> the
> original ring design is nice, and the
> inscription I suggested would be
> liked
> by the citizens. If not, well, give some
> suggestions.
> Valete, Caius Tarquitius Saturninus.
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Salve I did research in to a NR ring and have a question or two why limit it to 25 and how much?

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Salvete!
I have updated my Homepage again and included the military items and their
prices. If anyone of you has any questions, feel free to contact me! Also I
would like those of you that are interested in a NR Ring ask to contact me
soon, so that I will know how many have to be made. Also please let me know if
you want to have it in a different material. The golden ring will be limited to
25 pieces ever.
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salve I saw the ring in question. Can it be made with the SPQR on the top of the plate and the NR on the sides?


Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Salve!
The link to the ring is here:
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Salvete Quirites et Salve Illustrus Caius Tarquitius Saturninus!

I would like to propose that we discuss if we in Nova Roma should
have ab official Citizen's Ring. Such a ring seem to have been in
existance during the Republic, but mostly done in Iron. There where
also rings of gold. What do you the citizens of Nova Roma think?

The article below has been edited by me to suit my purpose. ;-)

The following article is by Leonhard Schmitz, Ph.D., F.R.S.E., Rector
of the High School of Edinburgh on pp 95-97 of William Smith, D.C.L.,
"A Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquities", John Murray, London,
1875. LL.D. It was found at RomanSites at :
http://www.ukans.edu/history/index/europe/ancient_rome/E/Roman/Texts/secondary/SMIGRA*/Annulus.html



ANNULUS (daktuvlioV), a ring.

RINGS IN GREECE
Every freeman in Greece appears to have used a ring; and, at least in
the earliest times, not as an ornament, but as an article for use, as
the ring always served as a seal. Rings were mostly worn on the
fourth finger (paravmesoV, Plut. Sympos. Fragm. lib.iv; Gellius,
x.10). The Lacedaemonians are said to have used iron rings at all
times (Plin. H.N. xxxiii.4). With the exception perhaps of Sparta,
the law does not appear to have ever attempted in any Greek state to
counteract the great partiality for this luxury; and nowhere in
Greece does the right of wearing a gold ring appear to have been
confined to a particular order or class of citizens.

RINGS IN ROME
The custom of wearing rings was believed to have been introduced into
Rome by the Sabines, who are described in the early legends as
wearing gold rings with precious stones (gemmati annuli) of great
beauty (Liv. i.11; Dionys. ii.38). Florus (i.5) states that it was
introduced from Etruria in the reign of Tarquinius Priscus, and Pliny
(l.c.) derives it from Greece. The fact that among the statues of the
Roman kings in the capitol, two, Numa and Servius Tullius, were
represented with rings, can scarcely be adduced as an argument for
their early use, as later artists would naturally represent the kings
with such insignia as characterized the highest magistrates in later
times.

IRON RINGS - CITIZEN'S RINGS
But at whatever time rings may have become customary at Rome, thus
much is certain, that at first they were always of iron, that they
were destined for the same purpose as in Greece, namely, to be used
as seals, and that every free Roman had a right to use such a ring.
This iron ring was used down to the last period of the republic by
such men as loved the simplicity of the good old times. Marius wore
an iron ring in his triumph over Jugurtha, and several noble families
adhered to the ancient custom, and never wore gold ones (Plin. H.N.
xxxiii.6).

GOLDEN RINGS AND SENATORIAL AMBASSADORS
When senators in the early times of the republic were sent as
ambassadors to a foreign state, they wore during the time of their
mission gold rings, which they received from the state, and which
were perhaps adorned with some symbolic representation of the
republic, and might serve as a state-seal. But ambassadors used gold
rings only in public; in private they wore their iron ones (Plin.
H.N. xxxiii.4).

IUS ANNULI AUREI - THE RIGHT TO WEAR A GOLDEN SEAL RING
In the course of time it became customary for all the senators, chief
magistrates, and at last for the equites also, to wear a gold
seal-ring (Liv. ix.7, 46, xxvi.36; Cic. c. Verr. iv.25; Liv.
xxiii.12; Flor. ii.6). This right of wearing a gold ring, which was
subsequently called the jus annuli aurei, or the jus annulorum,
remained for several centuries at Rome the exclusive privilege of
senators, magistrates, and equites, while all other persons continued
to use iron ones (Appian, de Reb. Pun. 104).

CONFERRING THE RIGHT TO WEAR RINGS
Magistrates and governors of provinces seem to have had the right of
conferring upon inferior officers, or such
persons as had distinguished themselves, the privilege of wearing a
gold ring. Verres thus presented his secretary with a gold ring in
the assembly at Syracuse (Cic. c. Verr. iii.76, 80, ad Fam. x.32;
Suet. Caes. 39). During the empire the right of granting the annulus
aureus belonged to the emperors, and some of them were not very
scrupulous in conferring this privilege.

THE STATUS OF THE RING-WEARER
The status of a person who had received the jus annuli appears to
have differed at different times. During the republic and the early
part of the empire the jus annuli seems to have made a person
ingenuus (if he was a libertus), and to have raised him to the rank
of eques, provided he had the requisite equestrian census (Suet.
Galb. 10, 14; Tacit. Hist. i.13 ii.57), and it was probably never
granted to any one who did not possess this census (Juv. Sat. xi.42;
Mart. viii.5, ii.57).

THE PRACTICAL PURPOSES
The practical purposes, for which rings, or rather the figures
engraved upon them, were used at all times, were the same as those
for which we use our seals. Besides this, however, persons, when they
left their houses, used to seal up such parts as contained stores or
valuable things, in order to secure them from thieves, especially
slaves (Plat. de Leg. xii. p954; Aristop. Thesmoph. 414, &c.; Plaut.
Cas. ii.1.1; Cic. ad Fam. xvi.26, de Orat. ii.61; Mart. ix.88). ...
The signs engraved upon rings were very various, as we may judge from
the specimens still extant: they were portraits of ancestors, or
friends, or subjects connected with the mythology, or the worship of
the gods; and in many cases a person had engraved upon his seal
symbolical allusions to the real or mythical history of his family
(Cic. in Catil. iii.5; Val. Max. iii.5.1; Cic. de Finib. v.1; Suet.
Tib. 58, 63; Plin. H.N. ii.7, &c.). Sulla thus wore a ring with a
gem, on which Jugurtha was represented at the moment he was made
prisoner (Plin. H.N. xxxvii.4; Plut. Mar. 10). Pompey used a ring on
which three trophies were represented (Dion Cass. xlii.18), and
Augustus at first sealed with a sphinx afterwards with a portrait of
Alexander the Great, and at last with his own portrait, which was
subsequently done by several emperors (Plin. H.N. xxxvii.4; Suet.
Aug. 50; Dion Cass. li.3; Spartian. Hadr. 26).

THE VALUE OF A RING
The principal value of a ring consisted in the gem framed in it, or
rather in the workmanship of the engraver. The stone most frequently
used was the onyx (sardw'noV, sardovnux), on account of its various
colours, of which the artists made the most skillful use. In the art
of engraving figures upon gems, the ancients in point of beauty and
execution far surpass every thing in this department that modern
times can boast of. The ring itself (sfendovnh), in which the gem was
set, was likewise in many cases of beautiful workmanship. The part of
the ring which contained the gem was called pala. ...
--
Valete

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
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Salve the check should be made out to the Nova Roma Eagle

Tiberius

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Salve,

To whom should checks/money orders be made payable?

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

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Salve!
Well, the idea was to use an original design. The original does not have any
side decorations, and I do not know of any roman rings that had such. I
thought of SPQNR, as stated in the text.
The idea to limit the golden ring to 25 is simply, that not everyone would
walk around with one, thus making it a special item. The cost of the golden
ring will highly depend on the actual gold price.
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Salve on the ring in the picture there are side engraving that the NR could take the place of with the SPQR alone on the top plate. You could sell a lot of the rings to other
"Romans " that are not part of NR but are part of SCA like groups. I know this is your project but the SPQR should stand alone. BTW this is a ring for 28th century Romans not those of the 1st.

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Salve!
Well, the idea was to use an original design. The original does not have any
side decorations, and I do not know of any roman rings that had such. I
thought of SPQNR, as stated in the text.
The idea to limit the golden ring to 25 is simply, that not everyone would
walk around with one, thus making it a special item. The cost of the golden
ring will highly depend on the actual gold price.
Vale, Caius Tarquitius Saturninus.

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It would also be a catchy way to get our Republic out in the public eye. If any of our fellow citizens like to make jewelery as a hobby, this could be their ticket into the Equestrian Order.

Lucius Aeneas Apollonius Nauta

"Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...> wrote:

> Yes there should be a citizens ring in NR!!! That's my two cents
>
>
>Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
>Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:22 PM
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>Subject: [Nova-Roma] Annulus - Roman rings - Nova Roman Rings
>
>Salvete Quirites et Salve Illustrus Caius Tarquitius Saturninus!
>
>I would like to propose that we discuss if we in Nova Roma shouldnbsp;
>have ab official Citizen's Ring. Such a ring seem to have been innbsp;
>existance during the Republic, but mostly done in Iron. There wherenbsp;
>also rings of gold. What do you the citizens of Nova Roma think?
>
>The article below has been edited by me to suit my purpose. ;-)
>
>The following article is by Leonhard Schmitz, Ph.D., F.R.S.E., Rectornbsp;
>of the High School of Edinburgh on pp 95-97 of William Smith, D.C.L.,nbsp;
>quot;A Dictionary of Greek and Roman Antiquitiesquot;, John Murray, London,nbsp;
>1875. LL.D. It was found at RomanSites at :
>http://www.ukans.edu/history/index/europe/ancient_rome/E/Roman/Texts/secondary/SMIGRA*/Annulus.htmlnbsp;
>
>
>
>ANNULUS (daktuvlioV), a ring.
>
>RINGS IN GREECE
>Every freeman in Greece appears to have used a ring; and, at least innbsp;
>the earliest times, not as an ornament, but as an article for use, asnbsp;
>the ring always served as a seal. Rings were mostly worn on thenbsp;
>fourth finger (paravmesoV, Plut. Sympos. Fragm. lib.iv; Gellius,nbsp;
>x.10). The Lacedaemonians are said to have used iron rings at allnbsp;
>times (Plin. H.N. xxxiii.4). With the exception perhaps of Sparta,nbsp;
>the law does not appear to have ever attempted in any Greek state tonbsp;
>counteract the great partiality for this luxury; and nowhere innbsp;
>Greece does the right of wearing a gold ring appear to have beennbsp;
>confined to a particular order or class of citizens.
>
>RINGS IN ROME
>The custom of wearing rings was believed to have been introduced intonbsp;
>Rome by the Sabines, who are described in the early legends asnbsp;
>wearing gold rings with precious stones (gemmati annuli) of greatnbsp;
>beauty (Liv. i.11; Dionys. ii.38). Florus (i.5) states that it wasnbsp;
>introduced from Etruria in the reign of Tarquinius Priscus, and Plinynbsp;
>(l.c.) derives it from Greece. The fact that among the statues of thenbsp;
>Roman kings in the capitol, two, Numa and Servius Tullius, werenbsp;
>represented with rings, can scarcely be adduced as an argument fornbsp;
>their early use, as later artists would naturally represent the kingsnbsp;
>with such insignia as characterized the highest magistrates in laternbsp;
>times.
>
>IRON RINGS - CITIZEN'S RINGS
>But at whatever time rings may have become customary at Rome, thusnbsp;
>much is certain, that at first they were always of iron, that theynbsp;
>were destined for the same purpose as in Greece, namely, to be usednbsp;
>as seals, and that every free Roman had a right to use such a ring.nbsp;
>This iron ring was used down to the last period of the republic bynbsp;
>such men as loved the simplicity of the good old times. Marius worenbsp;
>an iron ring in his triumph over Jugurtha, and several noble familiesnbsp;
>adhered to the ancient custom, and never wore gold ones (Plin. H.N.nbsp;
>xxxiii.6).
>
>GOLDEN RINGS AND SENATORIAL AMBASSADORS
>When senators in the early times of the republic were sent asnbsp;
>ambassadors to a foreign state, they wore during the time of theirnbsp;
>mission gold rings, which they received from the state, and whichnbsp;
>were perhaps adorned with some symbolic representation of thenbsp;
>republic, and might serve as a state-seal. But ambassadors used goldnbsp;
>rings only in public; in private they wore their iron ones (Plin.nbsp;
>H.N. xxxiii.4).
>
>IUS ANNULI AUREI - THE RIGHT TO WEAR A GOLDEN SEAL RING
>In the course of time it became customary for all the senators, chiefnbsp;
>magistrates, and at last for the equites also, to wear a goldnbsp;
>seal-ring (Liv. ix.7, 46, xxvi.36; Cic. c. Verr. iv.25; Liv.nbsp;
>xxiii.12; Flor. ii.6). This right of wearing a gold ring, which wasnbsp;
>subsequently called the jus annuli aurei, or the jus annulorum,nbsp;
>remained for several centuries at Rome the exclusive privilege ofnbsp;
>senators, magistrates, and equites, while all other persons continuednbsp;
>to use iron ones (Appian, de Reb. Pun. 104).
>
>CONFERRING THE RIGHT TO WEAR RINGS
>Magistrates and governors of provinces seem to have had the right ofnbsp;
>conferring upon inferior officers, or such
>persons as had distinguished themselves, the privilege of wearing anbsp;
>gold ring. Verres thus presented his secretary with a gold ring innbsp;
>the assembly at Syracuse (Cic. c. Verr. iii.76, 80, ad Fam. x.32;nbsp;
>Suet. Caes. 39). During the empire the right of granting the annulusnbsp;
>aureus belonged to the emperors, and some of them were not verynbsp;
>scrupulous in conferring this privilege.
>
>THE STATUS OF THE RING-WEARER
>The status of a person who had received the jus annuli appears tonbsp;
>have differed at different times. During the republic and the earlynbsp;
>part of the empire the jus annuli seems to have made a personnbsp;
>ingenuus (if he was a libertus), and to have raised him to the ranknbsp;
>of eques, provided he had the requisite equestrian census (Suet.nbsp;
>Galb. 10, 14; Tacit. Hist. i.13 ii.57), and it was probably nevernbsp;
>granted to any one who did not possess this census (Juv. Sat. xi.42;nbsp;
>Mart. viii.5, ii.57).
>
>THE PRACTICAL PURPOSES
>The practical purposes, for which rings, or rather the figuresnbsp;
>engraved upon them, were used at all times, were the same as thosenbsp;
>for which we use our seals. Besides this, however, persons, when theynbsp;
>left their houses, used to seal up such parts as contained stores ornbsp;
>valuable things, in order to secure them from thieves, especiallynbsp;
>slaves (Plat. de Leg. xii. p954; Aristop. Thesmoph. 414, amp;c.; Plaut.nbsp;
>Cas. ii.1.1; Cic. ad Fam. xvi.26, de Orat. ii.61; Mart. ix.88). ...nbsp;
>The signs engraved upon rings were very various, as we may judge fromnbsp;
>the specimens still extant: they were portraits of ancestors, ornbsp;
>friends, or subjects connected with the mythology, or the worship ofnbsp;
>the gods; and in many cases a person had engraved upon his sealnbsp;
>symbolical allusions to the real or mythical history of his familynbsp;
>(Cic. in Catil. iii.5; Val. Max. iii.5.1; Cic. de Finib. v.1; Suet.nbsp;
>Tib. 58, 63; Plin. H.N. ii.7, amp;c.). Sulla thus wore a ring with anbsp;
>gem, on which Jugurtha was representednbsp; at the moment he was madenbsp;
>prisoner (Plin. H.N. xxxvii.4; Plut. Mar. 10). Pompey used a ring onnbsp;
>which three trophies were represented (Dion Cass. xlii.18), andnbsp;
>Augustus at first sealed with a sphinx afterwards with a portrait ofnbsp;
>Alexander the Great, and at last with his own portrait, which wasnbsp;
>subsequently done by several emperors (Plin. H.N. xxxvii.4; Suet.nbsp;
>Aug. 50; Dion Cass. li.3; Spartian. Hadr. 26).
>
>THE VALUE OF A RING
>The principal value of a ring consisted in the gem framed in it, ornbsp;
>rather in the workmanship of the engraver. The stone most frequentlynbsp;
>used was the onyx (sardw'noV, sardovnux), on account of its variousnbsp;
>colours, of which the artists made the most skillful use. In the artnbsp;
>of engraving figures upon gems, the ancients in point of beauty andnbsp;
>execution far surpass every thing in this department that modernnbsp;
>times can boast of. The ring itself (sfendovnh), in which the gem wasnbsp;
>set, was likewise in many cases of beautiful workmanship. The part ofnbsp;
>the ring which contained the gem was called pala. ...
>--nbsp;
>Valete
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Salvete Omnes,

I really like the idea of ring and I don't think that having a Nova
Roma ring prevents any gens from creating its own ring also; after
all, most of us have ten fingers. Making the ring purly a gens
related item would be rather limiting to the gens with few civies. A
general NR ring would be better in that case. Larger gens would still
be free to produce their own ring if they wished.

I agree that a gold ring should be made in limited quantities, due to
the cost of godl. However, I think that the limit should be on a
single production run and not a once and forever limit. Once the
first run sells out (assuming it DOES sell out) another limited run
could be done if there were enough interest ("interest" being
expressed in the form of a downpayment, perhaps).

Certainly an iron or other base metal ring (so long as it doesn't
turn your finger green :) ) could be made in much larger production
runs.

Just my II sistercii.

Livia Cornelia Hibernia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, caiustarquitius@g... wrote:
> Salve!
> Well, the idea was to use an original design. The original does not
have any
> side decorations, and I do not know of any roman rings that had
such. I
> thought of SPQNR, as stated in the text.
> The idea to limit the golden ring to 25 is simply, that not
everyone would
> walk around with one, thus making it a special item. The cost of
the golden
> ring will highly depend on the actual gold price.
> Vale, Caius Tarquitius Saturninus.
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Salve!
I thought this is what I am doing here... well not myself, but...
Vale, Caius.

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