Salvete omnes,

I just got in for the week and thought I'd say hello to everyone.
I'll play catch up and read the postings from the last several days.
I have the luxury of my own Sat TV where I work. I just wanted to
point out that there is a movie called "Druids" with Christopher
Lambert, Klaus Maria Brandauer, Max Von Sydow. Its a Canada- France
production from 2001 and is all about the rise of Vercingetroix and
his clash with Caesar. Not a high production like Gladiator but not
bad at all and reasonably accurate as history goes. Its sure worth a
look in my opinion. I'll see if its available in video stores.


Valete bene,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, cassius622@a... wrote:

> Salvete,
>
> While in Italy, Patricia Cassia and I found a new "Roman music" CD,

by Pietro

> Pirelli, entitled "Hyman O Hymenaee". The back of the CD had the tag

line -

> "To repeat the music of ancient Rome would be impossible, why not

re-invent

> it therefore?" Cuts from the CD were entitled Aut Dormi, Aut Lacta, Aut
> Dormi, Pan E Syrinx, etc. We had high hopes that the music would at

least be

> tolerable, and therefore usable as background music at Roman events,

etc.

Austro: As artists are intitled to their interpretation of "modern"
music. This person has every right to express what he thinks his
ancestors' music sounded like. BY the way, Greek music would be
comparable to Roman music.

>
> The CD seemed to have some very good potential elements. They sang

in Latin,

> had decent voices, and were able to keep a good ancient-sounding

percussion

> line.


>
> However, in our opinion, the CD was terrible, to the point of being
> completely unlistenable. Why? Because the group which made the CD

insisted on

> adding a huge variety of creepy, unmelodic, and jarring sounds to

the music -

> making it sound like the track to a particularly bad horror film.

Austro: I take it that you dont listen to industrial or goth music?


Really, the

> sounds were depressing, and *creepy*. In the same track the group

would play

> 30 seconds of good Latin signing combined with reasonable ancient -

sounding

> drum work and flute music... and then they'd play five minutes of

garbled

> sound little better then white noise.
>
> Many of us have heard the album "Synaulia", which flatly admitted to be
> people just testing the sound of ancient instruments, rather than an

attemp

> to create Roman songs. In comparison with "Hymen O Hymenaee",

"Synaulia" was

> a beautiful harmonic symphony. This new album was about as

attractive as

> listening to chickens being run over by a steamroller in slow motion.

Austro: What kind of sick freak listens to chickens being run over by
a steam roller? You, I suppose.

>
> Sorry to rant, folks, but I continue to be amazed at people who seem to
> believe that the ancient Romans listened to nothing but disjointed

sounds

> that couldn't be sung, played from memory, or whistled by a person

for fun.


Austro: Who are you to say that they didnt? All Roman musicians
expressed themselves in only one manner?

> It was especially frustrating to know that these musicians had the

capability

> to do an album that could have been these things, but ended up being

overlaid

> by weird non-musical sound, much of which was apparantly done on a

modern

> synthesizer.

Austro: I await YOUR cd listening party. Before I end my critique of
your critique, which label or music publication do you work for? Or,
do you just play an instrument?

>
> Valete,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "austrolopithicus_robustus"
<austrolopithicus_robustus@y...> wrote:

> Austro: As artists are intitled to their interpretation

of "modern"

> music. This person has every right to express what he thinks his
> ancestors' music sounded like. BY the way, Greek music would be
> comparable to Roman music.

Cassius:
These folks certainly had every right to produce their music in
whatever way they wish. I have an equal right to say that I disliked
the music extremely, and also believe it to be very inaccurate from a
historical standpoint. There *are* a few small surviving pieces of
ancient music, so there is at least a small clue they could have
worked from if they had chosen to.

>
> Austro: I take it that you dont listen to industrial or goth music?

Cassius:
Not as such. My tastes don't run that way. However, I'll say nothing
bad about them as musical forms... they are what they are, and
usually don't pretend to be anything else.

>
>> Austro: What kind of sick freak listens to chickens being run over

by > a steam roller? You, I suppose.

Cassius:
There is no need whatever to insult me personally. You're more than
welcome to pick up this CD, and whatever other music you like, and
listen to it to your heart's content. But again, that will not stop
me from expressing my opinion about it.

>
> Austro: Who are you to say that they didnt? All Roman musicians
> expressed themselves in only one manner?
>

Cassius:
Roman musicians would have no doubt expressed themselves in several
ways... but none of them would have been like this. In societies
where there there were no means of mechanical recording music, tended
to be in structured forms that could be remembered by those who heard
it and played it. This music had no structure - it was an 'avant
garde' modernistic creation. A bit like trying to say a painting by
Picasso is the same style as what the ancient Romans painted in their
frescoes.

> Austro: I await YOUR cd listening party. Before I end my critique of
> your critique, which label or music publication do you work for? Or,
> do you just play an instrument?

Cassius:
I don't work for a music label. However, I'm starting to suspect that
you might be working for, or at least friends with the people who
produced this CD. If so, please don't take my post as a personal
insult... but rather as a sincere expression of dissapointment from
someone who simply wanted a realistic approach to ancient musical
forms. These folks could simply build on the strengths they do have
and produce a more accurate album in the future. That is likely to
happen only if people take the time to say that stuff like they've
produced now doesn't cut it.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Senator

Correction. Duke served as an ambassador FROM the USA twice in the history of Doonesbury; once to Guam (or maybe Samoa) and once to China. He was also a drug dealer, a cruise director during the Falkland War, a zombie, and a movie producer who was also a drug dealer plus running about 200 shady deals over the last 35 years.

F Gal Aur Sec

"To the People:

Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the
citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a
double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows
the
mind.

And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the
blood
boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need
in
seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused
with
fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto
the leader and gladly so.

How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar. "

-- Julius Caesar

~posted by Helena Galeria Aureliana~

Salvete

> Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war...
> -- Julius Caesar

Purely for informative purposes, and without any comment on the coming US-Iraq
war, I feel compelled to point out that C Iulius Caesar never wrote the above.
And, no ancient author ever attributed the sentiment to him.

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus

Salve Mater

As much as I love you and am honored to have you as the head of My Roman
family I need to point out to you and all Romans that the passage you
quoted was first made public last year by Barbara Streisand (spelling). She
made it up or someone made it up and gave it to here to say publicly. The
(Hollywood) left hates America and hates Bush even more. When Iraq is
liberated ( and as much as I love Rome, she never once launched a war of
liberation) the people of Iraq will welcome allied troops as the liberators
that they are and the world will then know who was right and who was wrong.


Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen

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To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:22 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House


> "To the People:
>
> Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the
> citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a
> double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows
> the
> mind.
>
> And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the
> blood
> boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need
> in
> seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused
> with
> fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto
> the leader and gladly so.
>
> How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar. "
>
> -- Julius Caesar
>
> ~posted by Helena Galeria Aureliana~
>
>
>
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Salve Tiberi Galeri

> ...the passage you quoted was first made public last year by Barbara
> Streisand (spelling).

This is incorrect. The quote has been making the Internet rounds since the
latter part of 2001, and has been used by quite a few representatives of the
political spectrum from proponents of the New Left to Libertarians. Plenty of
people erroneously believe that either C Iulius or William Shakespeare wrote
it, and it was public long before Streisand's speech of 29 Sep 2002.

(Only because you asked, with no intent to embarass: it's Barbra Streisand,
with only two a's in the first name.)

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus

Em Ter, 2003-03-18 às 13:12, Stephen Gallagher escreveu:

> Salve Mater
>
> As much as I love you and am honored to have you as the head of My Roman
> family I need to point out to you and all Romans that the passage you
> quoted was first made public last year by Barbara Streisand (spelling). She
> made it up or someone made it up and gave it to here to say publicly. The
> (Hollywood) left hates America and hates Bush even more. When Iraq is
> liberated ( and as much as I love Rome, she never once launched a war of
> liberation)

You mean conquered of course. Iraq is a full member of the UN and was
not conquered by any one in the last 50 years.

BTW if a member of the UN attacks another member of the UN without
previous authorization of the UN, the normal response is an automatic
embargo of this contravenant country. I really expect to see this
happening.

IF some country attacks another and IF the governements are to
initimidated by that country and do not install an embargo,
then I hope for the people to boycott every product manufactured in the
offending country.

Salve

Manius Villius Limitanus

> the people of Iraq will welcome allied troops as the liberators
> that they are and the world will then know who was right and who was wrong.
>
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Citizen
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "teleriferchnyfain" <teleriferchnyfain@...>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:22 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
>
>
> > "To the People:
> >
> > Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the
> > citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a
> > double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows
> > the
> > mind.
> >
> > And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the
> > blood
> > boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need
> > in
> > seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused
> > with
> > fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto
> > the leader and gladly so.
> >
> > How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar. "
> >
> > -- Julius Caesar
> >
> > ~posted by Helena Galeria Aureliana~
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Em Ter, 2003-03-18 às 07:33, labienus@... escreveu:

> Salve Tiberi Galeri
>
> > ...the passage you quoted was first made public last year by Barbara
> > Streisand (spelling).
>
> This is incorrect. The quote has been making the Internet rounds since the
> latter part of 2001, and has been used by quite a few representatives of the
> political spectrum from proponents of the New Left to Libertarians. Plenty of
> people erroneously believe that either C Iulius or William Shakespeare wrote
> it, and it was public long before Streisand's speech of 29 Sep 2002.
>
> (Only because you asked, with no intent to embarass: it's Barbra Streisand,
> with only two a's in the first name.)
>

Have you an idea about the author?
(Off course it is quite modern form the style/ideas expressed)

Manius Villius Limitanus

> Valete
> T Labienus Fortunatus
>
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>
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Salve Mani Villi

> Have you an idea about the author?

No. It's one of those Internet phenomena with no known source.

Vale
T Labienus Fortunatus

Ave wise TGP

I agree wholeheartedly with you. It sickens me to see those who have
profited so disproportionately from democracy and capitalism(actors) act and
speak out so ignorantly against the very country and citizenry that made
them what they are. They are fools. As far as our "allies" go, I see no
problem with leaving them in the dust and doing what is right. Thats why we
left those countries in the first place. We don't take our cues from other
countries. We do things differently, and for the most part, we strive to do
what is right. By all rights, we should abandon Israel. If we did that, our
problems in the Middle East would soon be over. But, for better or worse, we
consider them friends and we stand by them, to our great detriment. We don't
knuckle under to terrorism and cower in the corner and "negotiate". Saddam
will be crushed. Bin Laden will be crushed. We'll make the whole Middle East
into a parking lot if that what it takes.

Love is trap laid out by the forces of evolution. Pleasure is the bait laid
out by the same force. There is only Power. Power is of the individual mind,
but Power of the Mind is not enough. Power of the body decides everything in
the end, and only Might makes Right.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola


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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
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Salve Mater

As much as I love you and am honored to have you as the head of My Roman
family I need to point out to you and all Romans that the passage you
quoted was first made public last year by Barbara Streisand (spelling).
She
made it up or someone made it up and gave it to here to say publicly. The
(Hollywood) left hates America and hates Bush even more. When Iraq is
liberated ( and as much as I love Rome, she never once launched a war of
liberation) the people of Iraq will welcome allied troops as the
liberators
that they are and the world will then know who was right and who was
wrong.


Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen

----- Original Message -----
From: "teleriferchnyfain" <teleriferchnyfain@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:22 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House


> "To the People:
>
> Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the
> citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a
> double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows
> the
> mind.
>
> And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the
> blood
> boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need
> in
> seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused
> with
> fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto
> the leader and gladly so.
>
> How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar. "
>
> -- Julius Caesar
>
> ~posted by Helena Galeria Aureliana~
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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"You mean conquered of course. Iraq is a full member of the UN and was
not conquered by any one in the last 50 years.

BTW if a member of the UN attacks another member of the UN without
previous authorization of the UN, the normal response is an automatic
embargo of this contravenant country. I really expect to see this
happening.

IF some country attacks another and IF the governements are to
initimidated by that country and do not install an embargo,
then I hope for the people to boycott every product manufactured in the
offending country."

No, we mean "liberated", of course.

We're really scared of an embargo, or boycott from the UN. Look how bad it
scared Saddam Hussein. He was really whipped into shape.



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Em Ter, 2003-03-18 às 13:12, Stephen Gallagher escreveu:

> Salve Mater
>
> As much as I love you and am honored to have you as the head of My Roman
> family I need to point out to you and all Romans that the passage you
> quoted was first made public last year by Barbara Streisand (spelling).

She

> made it up or someone made it up and gave it to here to say publicly.

The

> (Hollywood) left hates America and hates Bush even more. When Iraq is
> liberated ( and as much as I love Rome, she never once launched a war of
> liberation)

You mean conquered of course. Iraq is a full member of the UN and was
not conquered by any one in the last 50 years.

BTW if a member of the UN attacks another member of the UN without
previous authorization of the UN, the normal response is an automatic
embargo of this contravenant country. I really expect to see this
happening.

IF some country attacks another and IF the governements are to
initimidated by that country and do not install an embargo,
then I hope for the people to boycott every product manufactured in the
offending country.

Salve

Manius Villius Limitanus

> the people of Iraq will welcome allied troops as the liberators
> that they are and the world will then know who was right and who was

wrong.

>
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Citizen
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "teleriferchnyfain" <teleriferchnyfain@...>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:22 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
>
>
> > "To the People:
> >
> > Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the
> > citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a
> > double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows
> > the
> > mind.
> >
> > And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the
> > blood
> > boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need
> > in
> > seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused
> > with
> > fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto
> > the leader and gladly so.
> >
> > How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar. "
> >
> > -- Julius Caesar
> >
> > ~posted by Helena Galeria Aureliana~
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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Still, it gives serious concern to see the questionably elected leader of a
democracy giving an ultimatum as a precursor to an unprovked attack on
another nation. The whole comic opera of rallying other nations to assist
us in our "liberation" of Iraq has pretty much come to nothing. The tenuous
alliance was starting to fall apart as Blair's government starts to revolt
against foreign adventurism and the President's own father advised Junior to
seek a multilateral solution to the problem of Iraq. Two tired former
empires do not make a broad coalition. It has also fallen from public
conscience that at one point the very fundamental materials needed for
producing the dread weapons of mass destruction (our nominal causus
belli)were given to Iraq by none other than the Western powers. One can only
hope and pray for a quick decisive war, followed by an opportunity to focus
on the long neglected domestic affairs.
Oh, by the way, who's going to pay for this adventure? Who will profit?
The sticky hands of Halliburton and its subsidiary Kellog Brown and Root are
conveniently everywhere in the plans to rebuild a shattered nation. I wonder
whose suggestion that was?
48 hours til the dawn of Empire...

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Salve G. Basilicatus Agricola:

>
> It sickens me to see those who have profited so disproportionately from democracy and capitalism(actors) act and
> speak out so ignorantly against the very country and citizenry that made them what they are. They are fools.
>

The "actors" you depricate do not speak with one voice; neither does the citizenry. As citizens themselves, the actors who are anti-war/anti-Bush have every right to speak out, and the fact that they disagree with the warmongers does not make them unpatriotic. Peter Ustinov once observed that, "in America, through pressure of conformity, there is freedom of choice but nothing to choose from." That was half a century ago, but the spirit of the House Committee on Un-American Activities lives on whenever we conclude that "doing what is right" includes vilifying dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only a unanimity of the graveyard.

L. Suetonius Nerva

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Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House


Ave wise TGP

I agree wholeheartedly with you. It sickens me to see those who have
profited so disproportionately from democracy and capitalism(actors) act and
speak out so ignorantly against the very country and citizenry that made
them what they are. They are fools. As far as our "allies" go, I see no
problem with leaving them in the dust and doing what is right. Thats why we
left those countries in the first place. We don't take our cues from other
countries. We do things differently, and for the most part, we strive to do
what is right. By all rights, we should abandon Israel. If we did that, our
problems in the Middle East would soon be over. But, for better or worse, we
consider them friends and we stand by them, to our great detriment. We don't
knuckle under to terrorism and cower in the corner and "negotiate". Saddam
will be crushed. Bin Laden will be crushed. We'll make the whole Middle East
into a parking lot if that what it takes.

Love is trap laid out by the forces of evolution. Pleasure is the bait laid
out by the same force. There is only Power. Power is of the individual mind,
but Power of the Mind is not enough. Power of the body decides everything in
the end, and only Might makes Right.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola


The LaSalle Law Office
417 East 13th Street
Kansas City, Missouri 64106
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Salve Mater

As much as I love you and am honored to have you as the head of My Roman
family I need to point out to you and all Romans that the passage you
quoted was first made public last year by Barbara Streisand (spelling).
She
made it up or someone made it up and gave it to here to say publicly. The
(Hollywood) left hates America and hates Bush even more. When Iraq is
liberated ( and as much as I love Rome, she never once launched a war of
liberation) the people of Iraq will welcome allied troops as the
liberators
that they are and the world will then know who was right and who was
wrong.


Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen


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> "To the People:
>
> Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the
> citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a
> double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows
> the
> mind.
>
> And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the
> blood
> boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need
> in
> seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused
> with
> fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto
> the leader and gladly so.
>
> How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar. "
>
> -- Julius Caesar
>
> ~posted by Helena Galeria Aureliana~
>
>
>
>
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S. Omnes,

F Gal Aur Sec wrote:

>Correction. Duke served as an ambassador FROM the USA twice in the
>history of Doonesbury; once to Guam (or maybe Samoa) and once to
>China. He was also a drug dealer, a cruise director during the Falkland
>War, a zombie, and a movie producer who was also a drug dealer plus
>running about 200 shady deals over the last 35 years.

I've tried to sit on my hands and wait while the censors get around to my
citizenship. But a purely factual correction is making my fingertips ache
(or perhaps it's just the lack of blood flow from sitting on them for so long).

Duke served as governor (appointive, not elective... though our standards
may have fallen that low since those cartoons were drafted) of whatever
Pacific American protectorate it was supposed to have been.

(The USA doesn't send ambassadors to Guam and American Samoa, any more than
it does to Puerto Rico)

Valete!


"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false-face for the urge to
rule it."
-- H. L. Mencken --

"Never was so much false arithmetic employed on any subject, as that which
has been employed to persuade nations that it is in their interest to go to
war."
-- Thomas Jefferson, 1782 --

AUSCASDICT,

Of course you have every right to have an
opinion about someones' musical interpretaion of the
ancient Roman world. And can only hope that you
encourage those in your community to write and perform
in the old ways.

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Everything you say is sort of right. Peter Ustinov, great actor. Should've
stuck to acting. Plenty to choose from in America. The whole spectrum of
views are available.I never argued fro compulsory unification of opinion.
It's tiring to see actors using their fame as a launching pad for the
hackenyed liberal vomit. My belief is that what President Bush is doing is
right. Therefore, everyone else who holds a different opinion is wrong. That
is the nature of a belief or opinion. Its not a suggestion. Its not a "feel
good bi-partisan can't we all just get along" philosophy the democrats
acquired as soon as they lost power and were rightfully marginalized. Thats
it.


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Salve G. Basilicatus Agricola:

>
> It sickens me to see those who have profited so disproportionately from

democracy and capitalism(actors) act and

> speak out so ignorantly against the very country and citizenry that

made them what they are. They are fools.

>

The "actors" you depricate do not speak with one voice; neither does
the citizenry. As citizens themselves, the actors who are
anti-war/anti-Bush have every right to speak out, and the fact that they
disagree with the warmongers does not make them unpatriotic. Peter Ustinov
once observed that, "in America, through pressure of conformity, there is
freedom of choice but nothing to choose from." That was half a century ago,
but the spirit of the House Committee on Un-American Activities lives on
whenever we conclude that "doing what is right" includes vilifying
dissenters. Compulsory unification of opinion achieves only a unanimity of
the graveyard.

L. Suetonius Nerva

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Ave wise TGP

I agree wholeheartedly with you. It sickens me to see those who have
profited so disproportionately from democracy and capitalism(actors) act
and
speak out so ignorantly against the very country and citizenry that made
them what they are. They are fools. As far as our "allies" go, I see no
problem with leaving them in the dust and doing what is right. Thats why
we
left those countries in the first place. We don't take our cues from
other
countries. We do things differently, and for the most part, we strive to
do
what is right. By all rights, we should abandon Israel. If we did that,
our
problems in the Middle East would soon be over. But, for better or
worse, we
consider them friends and we stand by them, to our great detriment. We
don't
knuckle under to terrorism and cower in the corner and "negotiate".
Saddam
will be crushed. Bin Laden will be crushed. We'll make the whole Middle
East
into a parking lot if that what it takes.

Love is trap laid out by the forces of evolution. Pleasure is the bait
laid
out by the same force. There is only Power. Power is of the individual
mind,
but Power of the Mind is not enough. Power of the body decides
everything in
the end, and only Might makes Right.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola


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Salve Mater

As much as I love you and am honored to have you as the head of My
Roman
family I need to point out to you and all Romans that the passage you
quoted was first made public last year by Barbara Streisand
(spelling).
She
made it up or someone made it up and gave it to here to say publicly.
The
(Hollywood) left hates America and hates Bush even more. When Iraq
is
liberated ( and as much as I love Rome, she never once launched a war
of
liberation) the people of Iraq will welcome allied troops as the
liberators
that they are and the world will then know who was right and who was
wrong.


Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen


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Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:22 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House


> "To the People:
>
> Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip
the
> citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a
> double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows
> the
> mind.
>
> And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the
> blood
> boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no
need
> in
> seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused
> with
> fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights
unto
> the leader and gladly so.
>
> How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar. "
>
> -- Julius Caesar
>
> ~posted by Helena Galeria Aureliana~
>
>
>
>
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No dawn of Empire here. Its long been a reality. We have spheres of military
influence.We must protect them.

Whether or not you believe he was questionably elected bears nothing in
this debate. He is the president, end of story. Is supposed to go around
saying " I know it was a close election, so I guess I'll do nothing"? The
Great Scumbag Clinton was never elected with a majority, and that never
slowed him down. If Engalnd , France or Spain wants no part of this war,
thats fine. Who cares? it would be better to have them along, but if they
don't have the stomach for it, adios. Its easier to go in now and take care
of the problem before it gets out of hand, like it did in WWI or WWII.

"It has also fallen from public conscience that at one point the very
fundamental materials needed for producing the dread weapons of mass
destruction (our nominal causus belli)were given to Iraq by none other than
the Western powers"

There is no such thing as public conscience. And the public shouldn't be
making foriegn policy decisions in any event. And if it is true that we
armed Saddam, then that is a mistake that needs to be corrected. You
liberals use guilt as a reason for doing nothing, to sit around and wring
our hands and beat ourselves up. Those days are over.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola

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Still, it gives serious concern to see the questionably elected leader of
a
democracy giving an ultimatum as a precursor to an unprovked attack on
another nation. The whole comic opera of rallying other nations to assist
us in our "liberation" of Iraq has pretty much come to nothing. The
tenuous
alliance was starting to fall apart as Blair's government starts to revolt
against foreign adventurism and the President's own father advised Junior
to
seek a multilateral solution to the problem of Iraq. Two tired former
empires do not make a broad coalition. It has also fallen from public
conscience that at one point the very fundamental materials needed for
producing the dread weapons of mass destruction (our nominal causus
belli)were given to Iraq by none other than the Western powers. One can
only
hope and pray for a quick decisive war, followed by an opportunity to
focus
on the long neglected domestic affairs.
Oh, by the way, who's going to pay for this adventure? Who will profit?
The sticky hands of Halliburton and its subsidiary Kellog Brown and Root
are
conveniently everywhere in the plans to rebuild a shattered nation. I
wonder
whose suggestion that was?
48 hours til the dawn of Empire...

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Aah, but there was UN approval - last year. It's just that the UN is afraid to act because they don't want to hurt anyone's feelings. The UN also did not act in Kosovo, Rwanda, Somalia, and several other countries. As I recall, there was no embargo of the US when we took action against Kosovo, which was justified. The action taken against is completely justified and was approved by the UN with the passage of 1441. BTW this is the 3rd largest coalition of nations ever assembled for military action. WWII was the largest, followed by the first Gulf war. Kind of does away with the theory that the US is acting unilaterally.

Caius Titinius Varus

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House


Em Ter, 2003-03-18 às 13:12, Stephen Gallagher escreveu:
> Salve Mater
>
> As much as I love you and am honored to have you as the head of My Roman
> family I need to point out to you and all Romans that the passage you
> quoted was first made public last year by Barbara Streisand (spelling). She
> made it up or someone made it up and gave it to here to say publicly. The
> (Hollywood) left hates America and hates Bush even more. When Iraq is
> liberated ( and as much as I love Rome, she never once launched a war of
> liberation)

You mean conquered of course. Iraq is a full member of the UN and was
not conquered by any one in the last 50 years.

BTW if a member of the UN attacks another member of the UN without
previous authorization of the UN, the normal response is an automatic
embargo of this contravenant country. I really expect to see this
happening.

IF some country attacks another and IF the governements are to
initimidated by that country and do not install an embargo,
then I hope for the people to boycott every product manufactured in the
offending country.

Salve

Manius Villius Limitanus

> the people of Iraq will welcome allied troops as the liberators
> that they are and the world will then know who was right and who was wrong.
>
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Citizen
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "teleriferchnyfain" <teleriferchnyfain@...>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 9:22 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House
>
>
> > "To the People:
> >
> > Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the
> > citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a
> > double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows
> > the
> > mind.
> >
> > And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the
> > blood
> > boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need
> > in
> > seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused
> > with
> > fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto
> > the leader and gladly so.
> >
> > How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar. "
> >
> > -- Julius Caesar
> >
> > ~posted by Helena Galeria Aureliana~
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Personally, I feel this war is going to happen no matter who protests it,
or what nations stand against the US. And it is NOT unprovoked (sp?). This
should have been finished years ago (probably would have been, too, of
Clinton weren't such an idiot).

However, regardless of where one stands on this war, you must realize that
everyone involved is fighting for his life, for his way of life. I know
several people in the armed forces. For those in the US, this shouldn't be
another Vietnam. Soldiers who go and fight should be celebrated for
defending what was established (through war) over 200 years ago. I'm
forwarding something a friend of mine wrote, since it pertains.

-----
The Every Soldier

Close your eyes and imagine your son lying in sand hot from the sun's
continuous assault. He is not at the beach eyeing the chic young girls in
their hot pink bikinis; instead he is lying in a fox hole and staring down
men that he has never met. Men that he has been told to kill to protect his
family and his country.

Don't pretend that this is some anonymous soldier, as so many of us
Americans are willing to do. This is your son, the baby that you held in
your arms and the child who's scraped knee you patched lovingly with a
Transformers Band Aid. And now he is far from home; his life totters on an
edge and there is nothing that you can do to help him. What is he thinking
there in the desert sand? Do you think he is praying? Is he whispering for
his mother as the enemy approaches? Is he wishing that he could just kiss
his wife?

We are so willing to think of war in vague terms, fights that happen in
other lands, on other soil, to other people. We say that the loss of some
is better for the benefit of the whole. But, what if it is your son?

Now, picture this same soldier. Picture his children asleep at home
without their father. They are dreaming about his safe homecoming; he has
promised to take them fishing as soon as he gets back. Now, this soldier,
this son of yours: make his speak Arabic. Make his speak Spanish,
Portuguese, give him an English accent. This soldier is every soldier.

I don't care what your stance is on war with Iraq. I don't care if you
protested or if you urged action. I don't care what your religion is:
whether you are Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, Jewish, Pagan, or Atheist. I
want for you to remember that war is not vague. I want you to think of this
soldier and know the pain of the people who love him. I want you to think
of this soldier, this every soldier, and whatever method that it is that
you pray I want you to pray for him.

Cheryl Kornegay

NC

-----------


Hedea Bianchia

Salve

If this coming war was about Empire or oil the USA is already in Saudi
Arabia and Kuwait and could declare victory and have control over both
nations in days, if not hours. Mexico and Canada are even closer and have
great amounts of oil and territory for a New Empire. They have no military
that could stop a Boy Scout troop.

This is about making the nations in the middle east into stable, democratic
nations that will spend more of their natural wealth on the people then on
more palaces for the elites or Weapons of Mass destruction.

The Constitution of the USA is what a President of the USA takes an oath to
not the UN Charter. The Constitution requires that a candidate for President
must get 270 electoral votes to be elected. He/she can lose the popular
vote by millions of votes and still wins if they get 270 electoral votes.
George Bush is the legally and constitutionally elected President of the
USA. He won Florida on election day and in EVERY RECOUNT that was conducted.
( some people need to get over Florida, if Gore wins his HOME state of
Tenn., Florida does not matter.)

Saddam is a DICTATOR and mass murderer and not elected by anybody.
President Bush and Secretary Powell have given the UN every chance to do
the right thing. 12 years is long enough for Saddam. Remember Hitler was in
Power for 12 years and 50 million people died ( in WWII) to put him and
Nazism on the ash heap of history.

Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen of the Two great Republics of Human History

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To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 12:37 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House


>
> Still, it gives serious concern to see the questionably elected leader of
a
> democracy giving an ultimatum as a precursor to an unprovked attack on
> another nation. The whole comic opera of rallying other nations to assist
> us in our "liberation" of Iraq has pretty much come to nothing. The
tenuous
> alliance was starting to fall apart as Blair's government starts to revolt
> against foreign adventurism and the President's own father advised Junior
to
> seek a multilateral solution to the problem of Iraq. Two tired former
> empires do not make a broad coalition. It has also fallen from public
> conscience that at one point the very fundamental materials needed for
> producing the dread weapons of mass destruction (our nominal causus
> belli)were given to Iraq by none other than the Western powers. One can
only
> hope and pray for a quick decisive war, followed by an opportunity to
focus
> on the long neglected domestic affairs.
> Oh, by the way, who's going to pay for this adventure? Who will profit?
> The sticky hands of Halliburton and its subsidiary Kellog Brown and Root
are
> conveniently everywhere in the plans to rebuild a shattered nation. I
wonder
> whose suggestion that was?
> 48 hours til the dawn of Empire...
>
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Two tired, former empires??? Questionably elected leader? you sound like the whining, sore-loser, Mr. Tom Daschle himself.Pass this guy the Kleenex. And...just released on the Drudgereport: France wants to send military aid to assist the US if chemical or biological weapons are used. Now I need the Kleenex! I need to wipe my tears from laughing so hard.
Dalmatica

G. Basilicatus Agricola writes:

>
> They are fools...
> Great Scumbag Clinton was never elected with a majority and that never slowed him down.
>

Believing the opinions of others are wrong is fine. Proving them so is not accomplished by calling them fools and
scumbags. It is undignified for Nova Romans to bicker and name-call instead of using civil discourse to debate
what are, admittedly, hot-button issues.

(Dick Armey once opined that "President Clinton is not my president." If the Republican house whip was able
to publicly disown the commander-in-chief, why pillory actors for simply disagreeing with him??)

By the way, Lincoln did not receive a majority. Nor did Wilson, Truman, Kennedy, Nixon (1968) - or Bush, Jr.

I suspect that if the "acting community" coalesced around the belligerent views of Arnold Schwarzeneggar, Bruce Willis,
and Clint Eastwood, your distaste toward their using their notoriety as a "launchpad" for their opinions would
evaporate. But that's only my opinion.

L. Suetonius Nerva

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Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 1:04 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House


Everything you say is sort of right. Peter Ustinov, great actor. Should've
stuck to acting. Plenty to choose from in America. The whole spectrum of
views are available.I never argued fro compulsory unification of opinion.
It's tiring to see actors using their fame as a launching pad for the
hackenyed liberal vomit. My belief is that what President Bush is doing is
right. Therefore, everyone else who holds a different opinion is wrong. That
is the nature of a belief or opinion. Its not a suggestion. Its not a "feel
good bi-partisan can't we all just get along" philosophy the democrats
acquired as soon as they lost power and were rightfully marginalized. Thats
it.


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Salve

It not my fault she can't spell Barbara.

Vale

Tiberius

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Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 5:33 AM
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> Salve Tiberi Galeri
>
> > ...the passage you quoted was first made public last year by Barbara
> > Streisand (spelling).
>
> This is incorrect. The quote has been making the Internet rounds since
the
> latter part of 2001, and has been used by quite a few representatives of
the
> political spectrum from proponents of the New Left to Libertarians.
Plenty of
> people erroneously believe that either C Iulius or William Shakespeare
wrote
> it, and it was public long before Streisand's speech of 29 Sep 2002.
>
> (Only because you asked, with no intent to embarass: it's Barbra
Streisand,
> with only two a's in the first name.)
>
> Valete
> T Labienus Fortunatus
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Salvete,

On March 12, in message #8670, our Consuls took the admirable step of
declaring Nova Roma a neutral party in the current macronational events. A
war between the US and Iraq has little to do with "things Roman," and we have
Citizens from many countries, religions and sides of the political spectrum.
It is extremely unlikely that we would ever reach consensus on this issue -
and even if we could it wouldn't make much difference to Nova Roma itself.

Many of our Citizens, however, have great interest and/or involvement in this
conflict. It's probably unavoidable that the issue will be debated here.
Stressful times make people want to speak out in any forum where they can be
heard; and past events have shown it's impossible to completely avoid
discussion of such a large issue.

It is very possible that this Forum will be somewhat disrupted with such
discussion over the next few days or even weeks. It may be a difficult time
for all of us. If that difficulty should manifest here that's just human
nature - and not much of anything to do with Nova Roma as a micronation or
organization.

That said, if anyone would like to assist in keeping this forum both 'on
topic' and generally agreeable, there are a few things that can be done:

I. Post and respond to Roman topics - The more we're able to stay involved
with discussion of 'things Roman' in times of stress, the more agreeable this
Forum is likely to be.

II. Avoid argument, or take it off list - If someone posts something that you
strongly disagree with, continuing public discussion on that topic is more
apt to make things worse than better. A private reply to the author of a
message, or no reply at all, is will help the unpleasant thread go away more
quickly.

III. Think about your posts - is what you are saying really helpful, or are
you just blowing off steam?

I'll do my best to make an effort to keep Roman threads going here in the
Forum, and hopefully others can do so as well. :)

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Senator


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Vale, Marcus:

Well said. Thanks for attempting to cool things off.

L. Suetonius Nerva

----- Original Message -----
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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 2:59 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] War, NR and this list


Salvete,

On March 12, in message #8670, our Consuls took the admirable step of
declaring Nova Roma a neutral party in the current macronational events. A
war between the US and Iraq has little to do with "things Roman," and we have
Citizens from many countries, religions and sides of the political spectrum.
It is extremely unlikely that we would ever reach consensus on this issue -
and even if we could it wouldn't make much difference to Nova Roma itself.

Many of our Citizens, however, have great interest and/or involvement in this
conflict. It's probably unavoidable that the issue will be debated here.
Stressful times make people want to speak out in any forum where they can be
heard; and past events have shown it's impossible to completely avoid
discussion of such a large issue.

It is very possible that this Forum will be somewhat disrupted with such
discussion over the next few days or even weeks. It may be a difficult time
for all of us. If that difficulty should manifest here that's just human
nature - and not much of anything to do with Nova Roma as a micronation or
organization.

That said, if anyone would like to assist in keeping this forum both 'on
topic' and generally agreeable, there are a few things that can be done:

I. Post and respond to Roman topics - The more we're able to stay involved
with discussion of 'things Roman' in times of stress, the more agreeable this
Forum is likely to be.

II. Avoid argument, or take it off list - If someone posts something that you
strongly disagree with, continuing public discussion on that topic is more
apt to make things worse than better. A private reply to the author of a
message, or no reply at all, is will help the unpleasant thread go away more
quickly.

III. Think about your posts - is what you are saying really helpful, or are
you just blowing off steam?

I'll do my best to make an effort to keep Roman threads going here in the
Forum, and hopefully others can do so as well. :)

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Senator


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Pat <pmcl@...> wrote:

> S. Omnes,
>
>F Gal Aur Sec wrote:
>gt;Correction.nbsp; Duke served as an ambassador FROM the USA twice in the
>gt;history of Doonesbury; once to Guam (or maybe Samoa) and once to
>gt;China.nbsp; He was also a drug dealer, a cruise director during the Falkland
>gt;War, a zombie, and a movie producer who was also a drug dealer plus
>gt;running about 200 shady deals over the last 35 years.
>
>I've tried to sit on my hands and wait while the censors get around to my
>citizenship.nbsp; But a purely factual correction is making my fingertips ache
>(or perhaps it's just the lack of blood flow from sitting on them for so long).
>
>Duke served as governor (appointive, not elective... though our standards
>may have fallen that low since those cartoons were drafted) of whatever
>Pacific American protectorate it was supposed to have been.
>
>(The USA doesn't send ambassadors to Guam and American Samoa, any more than
>it does to Puerto Rico)
>
>Valete!
>

Hail, omnes:

Well, today Proconsul Duke is carrying a bundle of fasces with an axe in them (the axe of course signifying that he means business). I think he ought to be sporting a little ivory rod. Maybe he hasn't had time to hire any lictors yet.

Vale

Lucius Aeneas Apollonius Nauta

>

Salvete,

completely agreed. There are other lists to talk about these matters.

Valete,

Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Propraetor Galliae


--- cassius622@... wrote:

> Salvete,
>
> On March 12, in message #8670, our Consuls took the admirable step of
> declaring Nova Roma a neutral party in the current macronational events. A
> war between the US and Iraq has little to do with "things Roman," and we have
> Citizens from many countries, religions and sides of the political spectrum.
> It is extremely unlikely that we would ever reach consensus on this issue -
> and even if we could it wouldn't make much difference to Nova Roma itself.
>
> Many of our Citizens, however, have great interest and/or involvement in this
> conflict. It's probably unavoidable that the issue will be debated here.
> Stressful times make people want to speak out in any forum where they can be
> heard; and past events have shown it's impossible to completely avoid
> discussion of such a large issue.
>
> It is very possible that this Forum will be somewhat disrupted with such
> discussion over the next few days or even weeks. It may be a difficult time
> for all of us. If that difficulty should manifest here that's just human
> nature - and not much of anything to do with Nova Roma as a micronation or
> organization.
>
> That said, if anyone would like to assist in keeping this forum both 'on
> topic' and generally agreeable, there are a few things that can be done:
>
> I. Post and respond to Roman topics - The more we're able to stay involved
> with discussion of 'things Roman' in times of stress, the more agreeable this
> Forum is likely to be.
>
> II. Avoid argument, or take it off list - If someone posts something that you
> strongly disagree with, continuing public discussion on that topic is more
> apt to make things worse than better. A private reply to the author of a
> message, or no reply at all, is will help the unpleasant thread go away more
> quickly.
>
> III. Think about your posts - is what you are saying really helpful, or are
> you just blowing off steam?
>
> I'll do my best to make an effort to keep Roman threads going here in the
> Forum, and hopefully others can do so as well. :)
>
> Valete,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
> Senator
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>

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Salve Senator

Very well said. The wisdom of your posting is highly befitting a
Senator. I am in full agreement. We are all from different
macronations, some involved in this impending conflict, others not,
but certainly all concerned whether that concern be pro or con.

The important thing here is not that we are Americans, or British or
French, Arab or Jew, Christian or Muslim or Pagan, but that we are
all ROMAN. The proudest statement a person could make in antiquity
is "I am a Roman citizen". Let us all remember that in the days and
weeks (hopefully not months) ahead and let us all strive to conduct
ourselves with the highest examples of dignitas and Romanitas.

For my part, I pledge, on my honor as a Roman and by all the Gods and
Goddesses, that I will not engage in any discourse that might be
harmfull to the goals of our beloved Res Publica and that while in
these list of Nova Roma I will put aside my feelings for and
interests in my macronation and will conduct myself a citizen of a
neutral nation; as a proper Roman.

Vale

Livia Cornelia Hibernia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, cassius622@a... wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> On March 12, in message #8670, our Consuls took the admirable step
of
> declaring Nova Roma a neutral party in the current macronational
events. A
> war between the US and Iraq has little to do with "things Roman,"
and we have
> Citizens from many countries, religions and sides of the political
spectrum.
> [SNIPPED TO SAVE SPACE]

So France is concerned about chemical and biological weapons? I thought Iraq
didn't have any since the UN had inspected. Thanks, France. Pass me the
freedom fries and liberty toast.

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Two tired, former empires??? Questionably elected leader? you sound like
the whining, sore-loser, Mr. Tom Daschle himself.Pass this guy the Kleenex.
And...just released on the Drudgereport: France wants to send military aid
to assist the US if chemical or biological weapons are used. Now I need the
Kleenex! I need to wipe my tears from laughing so hard.
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You forgot Charleton Heston, Ape Fighter.

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G. Basilicatus Agricola writes:

>
> They are fools...
> Great Scumbag Clinton was never elected with a majority and that

never slowed him down.

>

Believing the opinions of others are wrong is fine. Proving them so
is not accomplished by calling them fools and
scumbags. It is undignified for Nova Romans to bicker and name-call
instead of using civil discourse to debate
what are, admittedly, hot-button issues.

(Dick Armey once opined that "President Clinton is not my president."
If the Republican house whip was able
to publicly disown the commander-in-chief, why pillory actors for
simply disagreeing with him??)

By the way, Lincoln did not receive a majority. Nor did Wilson,
Truman, Kennedy, Nixon (1968) - or Bush, Jr.

I suspect that if the "acting community" coalesced around the
belligerent views of Arnold Schwarzeneggar, Bruce Willis,
and Clint Eastwood, your distaste toward their using their notoriety
as a "launchpad" for their opinions would
evaporate. But that's only my opinion.

L. Suetonius Nerva

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Everything you say is sort of right. Peter Ustinov, great actor.
Should've
stuck to acting. Plenty to choose from in America. The whole spectrum of
views are available.I never argued fro compulsory unification of
opinion.
It's tiring to see actors using their fame as a launching pad for the
hackenyed liberal vomit. My belief is that what President Bush is doing
is
right. Therefore, everyone else who holds a different opinion is wrong.
That
is the nature of a belief or opinion. Its not a suggestion. Its not a
"feel
good bi-partisan can't we all just get along" philosophy the democrats
acquired as soon as they lost power and were rightfully marginalized.
Thats
it.


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hahaha

GB Agricola

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Salve

It not my fault she can't spell Barbara.

Vale

Tiberius

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> Salve Tiberi Galeri
>
> > ...the passage you quoted was first made public last year by Barbara
> > Streisand (spelling).
>
> This is incorrect. The quote has been making the Internet rounds since
the
> latter part of 2001, and has been used by quite a few representatives of
the
> political spectrum from proponents of the New Left to Libertarians.
Plenty of
> people erroneously believe that either C Iulius or William Shakespeare
wrote
> it, and it was public long before Streisand's speech of 29 Sep 2002.
>
> (Only because you asked, with no intent to embarass: it's Barbra
Streisand,
> with only two a's in the first name.)
>
> Valete
> T Labienus Fortunatus
>
>
>
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Ave Tiberius

Agreed. For what this war will cost we could buy enough oil for the next 20
years. Its not strictly about oil.

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Salve

If this coming war was about Empire or oil the USA is already in Saudi
Arabia and Kuwait and could declare victory and have control over both
nations in days, if not hours. Mexico and Canada are even closer and have
great amounts of oil and territory for a New Empire. They have no
military
that could stop a Boy Scout troop.

This is about making the nations in the middle east into stable,
democratic
nations that will spend more of their natural wealth on the people then on
more palaces for the elites or Weapons of Mass destruction.

The Constitution of the USA is what a President of the USA takes an oath
to
not the UN Charter. The Constitution requires that a candidate for
President
must get 270 electoral votes to be elected. He/she can lose the popular
vote by millions of votes and still wins if they get 270 electoral votes.
George Bush is the legally and constitutionally elected President of the
USA. He won Florida on election day and in EVERY RECOUNT that was
conducted.
( some people need to get over Florida, if Gore wins his HOME state of
Tenn., Florida does not matter.)

Saddam is a DICTATOR and mass murderer and not elected by anybody.
President Bush and Secretary Powell have given the UN every chance to
do
the right thing. 12 years is long enough for Saddam. Remember Hitler was
in
Power for 12 years and 50 million people died ( in WWII) to put him and
Nazism on the ash heap of history.

Vale
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen of the Two great Republics of Human History

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>
> Still, it gives serious concern to see the questionably elected leader
of
a
> democracy giving an ultimatum as a precursor to an unprovked attack on
> another nation. The whole comic opera of rallying other nations to
assist
> us in our "liberation" of Iraq has pretty much come to nothing. The
tenuous
> alliance was starting to fall apart as Blair's government starts to
revolt
> against foreign adventurism and the President's own father advised
Junior
to
> seek a multilateral solution to the problem of Iraq. Two tired former
> empires do not make a broad coalition. It has also fallen from public
> conscience that at one point the very fundamental materials needed for
> producing the dread weapons of mass destruction (our nominal causus
> belli)were given to Iraq by none other than the Western powers. One can
only
> hope and pray for a quick decisive war, followed by an opportunity to
focus
> on the long neglected domestic affairs.
> Oh, by the way, who's going to pay for this adventure? Who will profit?
> The sticky hands of Halliburton and its subsidiary Kellog Brown and Root
are
> conveniently everywhere in the plans to rebuild a shattered nation. I
wonder
> whose suggestion that was?
> 48 hours til the dawn of Empire...
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Ave Hibernia

I agree with your setiments in general. However, I would not go so far as to
say I am a Roman first. First, I owe allegiance to my family, both here and
in Italy. I then owe allegiance to my city, then my state, then to the
United States, and then to NR. Macronational realities dictate that order,
not the dream of NR. If your statement is that we conduct ourselves in our
family and public affairs as Romans, I couldn't agree more. Until I set foot
on the soveriegn land of Nova Roma, those are my priorities.

Gaius Basilicatus Agricola

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Salve Senator

Very well said. The wisdom of your posting is highly befitting a
Senator. I am in full agreement. We are all from different
macronations, some involved in this impending conflict, others not,
but certainly all concerned whether that concern be pro or con.

The important thing here is not that we are Americans, or British or
French, Arab or Jew, Christian or Muslim or Pagan, but that we are
all ROMAN. The proudest statement a person could make in antiquity
is "I am a Roman citizen". Let us all remember that in the days and
weeks (hopefully not months) ahead and let us all strive to conduct
ourselves with the highest examples of dignitas and Romanitas.

For my part, I pledge, on my honor as a Roman and by all the Gods and
Goddesses, that I will not engage in any discourse that might be
harmfull to the goals of our beloved Res Publica and that while in
these list of Nova Roma I will put aside my feelings for and
interests in my macronation and will conduct myself a citizen of a
neutral nation; as a proper Roman.

Vale

Livia Cornelia Hibernia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, cassius622@a... wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> On March 12, in message #8670, our Consuls took the admirable step
of
> declaring Nova Roma a neutral party in the current macronational
events. A
> war between the US and Iraq has little to do with "things Roman,"
and we have
> Citizens from many countries, religions and sides of the political
spectrum.
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-----Original Message-----
From : labienus@...

>
>Purely for informative purposes, and without any comment on the coming US-Iraq
>war, I feel compelled to point out that C Iulius Caesar never wrote the above.
>And, no ancient author ever attributed the sentiment to him.
>

It's certainly far too florid for his style, even for Shakespeare's. What is it? A translation from a foreign translation of Shakespeare, or a Renaissance translation of Livy perhaps?
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-----Original Message-----
From : jlasalle <jlasalle@...>

>
>Love is trap laid out by the forces of evolution. Pleasure is the bait laid
>out by the same force. There is only Power. Power is of the individual mind,
>but Power of the Mind is not enough. Power of the body decides everything in
>the end, and only Might makes Right.
>

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I also heard today the Germany is sending troops trained in biological and chemical warfare.

Caius Titinius Varus

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Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 1:41 PM
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Two tired, former empires??? Questionably elected leader? you sound like the whining, sore-loser, Mr. Tom Daschle himself.Pass this guy the Kleenex. And...just released on the Drudgereport: France wants to send military aid to assist the US if chemical or biological weapons are used. Now I need the Kleenex! I need to wipe my tears from laughing so hard.
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>Hail, omnes:
>Well, today Proconsul Duke is carrying a bundle of fasces with an axe in

them (the axe of course signifying that he means business). I think he
ought to be sporting a little ivory rod. Maybe he hasn't had time to hire
any lictors yet.

>Vale

Lucius Aeneas Apollonius Nauta

Avete Nauta,

I think that's what Honey is. His lictrix.

Valete!

CN IVLIVS STRABO

Salvete omnes,

I checked around on that quote... Beware of the.. who beats ... As
previously indicated there is no known source. Apparently Barbara
Striesend used it on a progam 2 years ago and she attributed it to
Caesar. Still, Caesar was not hypocritical and was very clear in his
intentions and such a quote would be out of character for him as he
is best remembered for Veni, vide, vici!. Sounds like something
Machiavelli or Cicero would have said. He used the word " beware
of..." on various occasions. The "two edged sword" quote comes from a
passage in the Book of Revelations in the new testament describing
Christ.

Well all in all it dosen't sound Roman to me. Any other thoughts?

Regards - Quintus Lanius Paulinus

The Once and Future King

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From : jlasalle <jlasalle@...>

>
>Love is trap laid out by the forces of evolution. Pleasure is the bait

laid

>out by the same force. There is only Power. Power is of the individual

mind,

>but Power of the Mind is not enough. Power of the body decides everything

in

>the end, and only Might makes Right.
>

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In a message dated 3/18/03 5:49:39 AM Pacific Standard Time,
PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... writes:

> Duke served as an ambassador FROM the USA twice in the history of
> Doonesbury; once to Guam (or maybe Samoa) and once to China

I remember China. I don't remember Samoa. Since it is a protectorate why
would it need
an ambassador?

Fabius


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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Jim Lancaster <jlancaster@f...>
wrote:

> >Hail, omnes:
> >Well, today Proconsul Duke is carrying a bundle of fasces with an

axe in

> them (the axe of course signifying that he means business). I

think he

> ought to be sporting a little ivory rod. Maybe he hasn't had time

to hire

> any lictors yet.

Salve,

Actually there is hidden message. Doonesbury is political satire of
the left leaning variety. The character of Duke has always been a
satirical symbol of extreme right wing politics. By having Duke in
what appears in the color version of the strip to be an Imperial toga
complete with the senatorial purple stripe, carrying fasces, ect is
Trudeau's way of saying that the whole war is being carried out to
topple Saddam and put in place a right wing fascist regime of
America's liking, using the term proconsul insinuates that Bush is
another Caesar (do I hear Streisand playing the background here?).

While I frequently find Doonesbury to be humorous, I'm always aware
there is a hidden agenda behind the humor. Unfortunately Doonesbury
is more often placed with the rest of the comics rather than where it
really belongs, in the editorial section.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

Umm this quote is a myth. It does not appear in either "Commentaries" or
"Civil War."

Likely it comes from a McCullough book.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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In a message dated 3/18/03 8:53:46 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jlasalle@... writes:

> We're really scared of an embargo, or boycott from the UN. Look how bad it
> scared Saddam Hussein. He was really whipped into shape.
>

When are you leaving to lead our boys to victory? If we win this war, it
will be because
of the embargo limited his weapon importation and material. Personally I
hope he abdicates
Save some American lives.
The United States is not Rome, no matter how much you want to believe. And
we certainly have no right to start a war against the opinion of the United
Nations. This idiot and his Gang of Four, will reside in a special place in
Hades for this stupidity.

Stephen Phenow



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Ave Agricola,

Yes, we all do have other people and things that come before both our
macro- and micronations. My intent in that statement was to
imply "while we are here in these lists" we are Romans and need to
comport ourselves as such. Even in ancient times Roman citizens might
also be Galls, Britons, Hebrews (like St. Paul) and they certainly
had families, friends and their own ethnic and household deities.

In the Forum, and our email lists are as close as we come to a Forum,
they were Romans; the common thread that they all had and in that
place, being Roman should come first. There will always be conflicts
of interest, but we should all attempt to leave them outside the
Forum.

Writing off the top of my head in Yahoo! mail is not always conducive
to the best composition of thoughts.

Vale

Livia Cornelia Hibernia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "jlasalle" <jlasalle@s...> wrote:
> Ave Hibernia
>
> I agree with your setiments in general. However, I would not go so
far as to
> say I am a Roman first. First, I owe allegiance to my family, both
here and
> in Italy. I then owe allegiance to my city, then my state, then to
the
> United States, and then to NR. Macronational realities dictate that
order,
> not the dream of NR. If your statement is that we conduct ourselves
in our
> family and public affairs as Romans, I couldn't agree more. Until I
set foot
> on the soveriegn land of Nova Roma, those are my priorities.
>
> Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
>
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> From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia [mailto:lindaw@s...]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 2:39 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: War, NR and this list
>
>
> Salve Senator
>
> Very well said. The wisdom of your posting is highly befitting a
> Senator. I am in full agreement. We are all from different
> macronations, some involved in this impending conflict, others
not,
> but certainly all concerned whether that concern be pro or con.
>
> The important thing here is not that we are Americans, or British
or
> French, Arab or Jew, Christian or Muslim or Pagan, but that we are
> all ROMAN. The proudest statement a person could make in antiquity
> is "I am a Roman citizen". Let us all remember that in the days
and
> weeks (hopefully not months) ahead and let us all strive to
conduct
> ourselves with the highest examples of dignitas and Romanitas.
>
> For my part, I pledge, on my honor as a Roman and by all the Gods
and
> Goddesses, that I will not engage in any discourse that might be
> harmfull to the goals of our beloved Res Publica and that while in
> these list of Nova Roma I will put aside my feelings for and
> interests in my macronation and will conduct myself a citizen of a
> neutral nation; as a proper Roman.
>
> Vale
>
> Livia Cornelia Hibernia
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, cassius622@a... wrote:
> > Salvete,
> >
> > On March 12, in message #8670, our Consuls took the admirable
step
> of
> > declaring Nova Roma a neutral party in the current macronational
> events. A
> > war between the US and Iraq has little to do with "things
Roman,"
> and we have
> > Citizens from many countries, religions and sides of the
political
> spectrum.
> > [SNIPPED TO SAVE SPACE]
>
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me-in-@... wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
>From : jlasalle lt;jlasalle@...;
>gt;
>gt;Love is trap laid out by the forces of evolution. Pleasure is the bait laid
>gt;out by the same force. There is only Power. Power is of the individual mind,
>gt;but Power of the Mind is not enough. Power of the body decides everything in
>gt;the end, and only Might makes Right.
>gt;

Sounds like Nietsche (sp?).

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In a message dated 3/18/03 10:26:14 AM Pacific Standard Time,
hedeabianchia@... writes:

> This
> should have been finished years ago (probably would have been, too, of
> Clinton weren't such an idiot).
>

You are kidding right? The GOPs hamstrung him every time he wanted to
anything about Iraq.
What is this all about anyway? We armed a despot to fight our enemies in
Iran. Now because of a stupid idea about us being the worlds policemen, that
a bunch of power mad and deranged DORs (Disgruntled old Republicans) came up
with in '97 is now a blue print for world peace in the middle East?
And this from a guy who ran on a platform of domestic issues first.

Sorry I don't buy it.

Steve


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In a message dated 3/18/03 2:18:45 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jlancaster@... writes:

> I think that's what Honey is. His lictrix

No Honey is his Quaestor.

Fabius


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What do you mean hamstrung him? I remember him him lobbing some Tomahawks into Iraq, shooting down Jet Planes and lobbing Tomahawks into the Sudan...which just egged them on and on...til we got 9/11 and then the entire paradigm shifted.

Vale,

Sulla

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Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House


In a message dated 3/18/03 10:26:14 AM Pacific Standard Time,
hedeabianchia@... writes:


> This
> should have been finished years ago (probably would have been, too, of
> Clinton weren't such an idiot).
>

You are kidding right? The GOPs hamstrung him every time he wanted to
anything about Iraq.
What is this all about anyway? We armed a despot to fight our enemies in
Iran. Now because of a stupid idea about us being the worlds policemen, that
a bunch of power mad and deranged DORs (Disgruntled old Republicans) came up
with in '97 is now a blue print for world peace in the middle East?
And this from a guy who ran on a platform of domestic issues first.

Sorry I don't buy it.

Steve


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Ave Hibernia!

Well said. As always, your steady hand has a calming effect.

GB Agricola

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Ave Agricola,

Yes, we all do have other people and things that come before both our
macro- and micronations. My intent in that statement was to
imply "while we are here in these lists" we are Romans and need to
comport ourselves as such. Even in ancient times Roman citizens might
also be Galls, Britons, Hebrews (like St. Paul) and they certainly
had families, friends and their own ethnic and household deities.

In the Forum, and our email lists are as close as we come to a Forum,
they were Romans; the common thread that they all had and in that
place, being Roman should come first. There will always be conflicts
of interest, but we should all attempt to leave them outside the
Forum.

Writing off the top of my head in Yahoo! mail is not always conducive
to the best composition of thoughts.

Vale

Livia Cornelia Hibernia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "jlasalle" <jlasalle@s...> wrote:
> Ave Hibernia
>
> I agree with your setiments in general. However, I would not go so
far as to
> say I am a Roman first. First, I owe allegiance to my family, both
here and
> in Italy. I then owe allegiance to my city, then my state, then to
the
> United States, and then to NR. Macronational realities dictate that
order,
> not the dream of NR. If your statement is that we conduct ourselves
in our
> family and public affairs as Romans, I couldn't agree more. Until I
set foot
> on the soveriegn land of Nova Roma, those are my priorities.
>
> Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
>
> The LaSalle Law Office
> 417 East 13th Street
> Kansas City, Missouri 64106
> (816).471.2111
> (816).510.0072(cell)
> (816).471.8412(Fax)
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> confidential information intended only for the use of the
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> entity named. If the reader of this message is not the intended
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> Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 2:39 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: War, NR and this list
>
>
> Salve Senator
>
> Very well said. The wisdom of your posting is highly befitting a
> Senator. I am in full agreement. We are all from different
> macronations, some involved in this impending conflict, others
not,
> but certainly all concerned whether that concern be pro or con.
>
> The important thing here is not that we are Americans, or British
or
> French, Arab or Jew, Christian or Muslim or Pagan, but that we are
> all ROMAN. The proudest statement a person could make in antiquity
> is "I am a Roman citizen". Let us all remember that in the days
and
> weeks (hopefully not months) ahead and let us all strive to
conduct
> ourselves with the highest examples of dignitas and Romanitas.
>
> For my part, I pledge, on my honor as a Roman and by all the Gods
and
> Goddesses, that I will not engage in any discourse that might be
> harmfull to the goals of our beloved Res Publica and that while in
> these list of Nova Roma I will put aside my feelings for and
> interests in my macronation and will conduct myself a citizen of a
> neutral nation; as a proper Roman.
>
> Vale
>
> Livia Cornelia Hibernia
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, cassius622@a... wrote:
> > Salvete,
> >
> > On March 12, in message #8670, our Consuls took the admirable
step
> of
> > declaring Nova Roma a neutral party in the current macronational
> events. A
> > war between the US and Iraq has little to do with "things
Roman,"
> and we have
> > Citizens from many countries, religions and sides of the
political
> spectrum.
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>
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ok.

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In a message dated 3/18/03 8:53:46 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jlasalle@... writes:

> We're really scared of an embargo, or boycott from the UN. Look how bad

it

> scared Saddam Hussein. He was really whipped into shape.
>

When are you leaving to lead our boys to victory? If we win this war, it
will be because
of the embargo limited his weapon importation and material. Personally I
hope he abdicates
Save some American lives.
The United States is not Rome, no matter how much you want to believe.
And
we certainly have no right to start a war against the opinion of the
United
Nations. This idiot and his Gang of Four, will reside in a special place
in
Hades for this stupidity.

Stephen Phenow



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Em Ter, 2003-03-18 às 19:54, qfabiusmaxmi@... escreveu:

> In a message dated 3/18/03 8:53:46 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> jlasalle@... writes:
>
>
> > We're really scared of an embargo, or boycott from the UN. Look how bad it
> > scared Saddam Hussein. He was really whipped into shape.
> >
>
> When are you leaving to lead our boys to victory? If we win this war, it
> will be because
> of the embargo limited his weapon importation and material. Personally I
> hope he abdicates
> Save some American lives.
> The United States is not Rome, no matter how much you want to believe. And
> we certainly have no right to start a war against the opinion of the United
> Nations. This idiot and his Gang of Four, will reside in a special place in
> Hades for this stupidity.
>
> Stephen Phenow

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

The work of both the UN and the USA was great up to yesterday.
The presure of the USA preparing for war with the possibility offered by
the UN inspections to disarm was having a great effect on the actual
destruction of the little weapons Irak yet has.

Unfortunately it seems that somebody forgot the first part of the
sentence.

Manius Villius Limitanus

>

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Em Ter, 2003-03-18 às 19:27, ames0826@... escreveu:

> me-in-@... wrote:
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> >From : jlasalle lt;jlasalle@...;
> >gt;
> >gt;Love is trap laid out by the forces of evolution. Pleasure is the bait laid
> >gt;out by the same force. There is only Power. Power is of the individual mind,
> >gt;but Power of the Mind is not enough. Power of the body decides everything in
> >gt;the end, and only Might makes Right.
> >gt;
>
> Sounds like Nietsche (sp?).
>

Revised through the "Andromedan" view of him :)

Manius Villius Limitanus

> Lucius Aeneas Apollonius Nauta
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We cives who live in the west often look at the many great meetings
that our fellow cives in more densely populated areas have access to:
ah, Roman Days, the museums, Roman Market Days and more!

Here in Provincia America Boreoccidentalis, thanks to the work of my
Latin Professor, Nova Romans with an interest in and ability -- no
matter how limited -- to speak Latin, can meet regularly in Seattle
to practice their spoken Latin. There will be three weekend sessions
before school lets out this year, March 22, April 19, and May 17.
Then to cap it off, an international Latin seminar takes place here
in my town of Aquis Albis (Wenatchee) in June. Sadly, I will be in
Rome at the time, but it promises to be outstanding!

Documents describing this Conventiculum Rusticum Vasintoniense are
posted at our Yahoo Latin group,

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Latinitas

and links to Dr. Berard's spoken Latin seminars can be found here:

http://www.wvc.edu/latinseminars_eng.html


To quote my Wheelock, "Latina est gaudium -- et utilis!"

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Steve

Its all conspiratorial. The true cause of all of it is UFOs and Saskwatch.
You see, like the movie "Predator", which is actually based on a true story,
aliens hunt us only during times of war. Therefore, with their superior
alien intellect, they control the minds of our leaders to keep us in a
constant state of war. They were unsuccessful with President Clinton,
however, because his unique brain simply turned all the alien commands into
a uncontrollable impulse to rape women, steal money, ans sell military
secrets to our enemies. However, with the typical dullard mind of the
American Conservative, the aliens now have free reign. I forgot how
Saskwatch fits into to all of this, but all furry ape-like creatures running
naked thru our national parks must certainly be regarded with suspicion.

Vale

GB Agricola
-----Original Message-----
From: L. Cornelius Sulla [mailto:alexious@...]
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 5:11 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House


What do you mean hamstrung him? I remember him him lobbing some Tomahawks
into Iraq, shooting down Jet Planes and lobbing Tomahawks into the
Sudan...which just egged them on and on...til we got 9/11 and then the
entire paradigm shifted.

Vale,

Sulla

----- Original Message -----
From: qfabiusmaxmi@...
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House


In a message dated 3/18/03 10:26:14 AM Pacific Standard Time,
hedeabianchia@... writes:


> This
> should have been finished years ago (probably would have been, too, of
> Clinton weren't such an idiot).
>

You are kidding right? The GOPs hamstrung him every time he wanted to
anything about Iraq.
What is this all about anyway? We armed a despot to fight our enemies
in
Iran. Now because of a stupid idea about us being the worlds policemen,
that
a bunch of power mad and deranged DORs (Disgruntled old Republicans)
came up
with in '97 is now a blue print for world peace in the middle East?
And this from a guy who ran on a platform of domestic issues first.

Sorry I don't buy it.

Steve


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From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to SPQNR. Salvete.

Although our consuls have proclaimed NR to be neutral in the coming war, I
exercise my right as a citizen to ask that regardless of our political or
personal opinions, let us pray to the our gods that our macronational leaders
are blessed with wisdom and strength in the coming days. That those family
members, friends, and associates in the many areas of danger throughout the
world shall be blessed with courage, fortitude, and luck. That those who
might strike back in fear or unreasoning hate shall withhold their anger from
the old, the sick, the children, and those who are without blame in these
perilous times. If war is to come, let it be quick and to its purpose so
that all the children of our world may swiftly return to peace and, perhaps,
a better life. May the gods hear the prayers of their worshippers in this
dark and uncertain time. Fiat, fiat, fiat lux.


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Governor, I meant governor. Sorry.

F Gal Aur Sec


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Salvete.


No, it is not Nietzsche.
Apart from that the term "war drum" in what language soever was unknown to
the romans. They did not use drums in war. That fact hints to a relatively
modern origin of the term.

I for my part cannot understand why people here are going on to post their
more or less argumentative or intelligent opinions about the Iraq-conflict.
The Consuls have stated that NR is neutral. Additionally, there is always the
possibility to create an extra group for a certain topic. I suggest that
those who think that it is important that everybody knows what they are thinking
do that, and post their enlightened opinions somewhere else. What is going on
here is simply contraproductive and in some parts insulting for other NR
citizens. Apart from that, if people would think before they write it would not
be necessary that the moderators interfere. Obviously some people seem not to
do that or seem to be unable to do that. What a pity.

Valete,
Caius Tarquitius Saturninus
Eques, Paterfamilias

--
Bonis nocet, qui malis parcit.


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qfabiusmaxmi@... said" The United States is not Rome, no matter how much
you want to believe. And we certainly have no right to start a war against
the opinion of the United Nations."

The coalition that President Bush has assembled is the THIRD largest military coalition in history. Only WWII and the first gulf war had bigger coalitions The UN that the USA help create is full of Saddam like dictators whose time
may soon be up.

The "Democratic" and human rights poster nation of Libya is now in charge of HUMAN RIGHTS at the UN and IRAQ is in charge of DISARMAMENT. The UN charter states that ALL nation-states have the right of self-defense. This war is
still going on from 1991 because the UN would not, could not ENFORCE it OWN resolutions. 18 resolution in 12 years!!!! Iraq AGREED to DISARM in return for an armistice. When you break the terms of an armistice the war is on again

US troops are in the Balkans because the Europeans can't even police their own FRONT yard. Clinton did not ask the UN to go the Balkans or Somalia .

As to the US not being Rome, your right. We tried Empire in the late 19th century and did not like it and truth be told we were not very good at it. We could never forget that we were the first colony to kick out the mother country. (Sorry Britain ,we still love you, and this from an Irish- American just after St. Patrick's Day)

Rome on the other hand WOULD HAVE TOLD Turkey it was using it's territory, it would not have asked permission.

Can anybody imagine a ROMAN fleet waiting around for PERMISSION to disembark, so they can then go to war. Not very likely.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen

----- Original Message -----
From: <qfabiusmaxmi@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2003 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House


> In a message dated 3/18/03 8:53:46 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> jlasalle@... writes:
>
>
> > We're really scared of an embargo, or boycott from the UN. Look how bad
it
> > scared Saddam Hussein. He was really whipped into shape.
> >
>
> When are you leaving to lead our boys to victory? If we win this war, it
> will be because
> of the embargo limited his weapon importation and material. Personally I
> hope he abdicates
> Save some American lives.
> The United States is not Rome, no matter how much you want to believe.
And
> we certainly have no right to start a war against the opinion of the
United
> Nations. This idiot and his Gang of Four, will reside in a special place
in
> Hades for this stupidity.
>
> Stephen Phenow
>
>
>
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A favorite of mine is Magus Rex by Jack Lovejoy. It is about a young wizard
named Valerian who falls in love with the daughter of the Magus Rex, the
most powerful wizard of all time. Magus Rex tests Valerian by taking his
daughter on a journey through time, forcing her suitor to follow them. If he
survives and can find her, he can marry her. One of the parts takes place in
ancient Rome where Valerian uses his powers to train the beasts in the
venationes.

You can pick up a used copy at amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0523485328/qid%3D1048049929/sr%3D11-1
/ref%3Dsr%5F11%5F1/104-4411310-6919104

Ti. Ambrosius

You mean the Rainbow gatherings people? They're harmless!

-----Original Message-----
From: jlasalle [mailto:jlasalle@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 18 March, 2003 19:42
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House


...
Saskwatch fits into to all of this, but all furry ape-like creatures running
naked thru our national parks must certainly be regarded with suspicion.
...

Ave Secundus,

As the Baptists say, "Amen!"
I could not agree more and I believe this neither violates our
neutrality nor is in any way devisive. Let us each pray, to whatever
deities we honor, for all the combatants as well as the innocents and
for a speedy end to the conflict.

I believe it was the American Civil War general Sherman who said,
with the wisdom of an old soldier, "the only good thing about a war
is the ending of it."

Yes, indeed, let us pray.

Vale

Hibernia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a... wrote:
> From F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to SPQNR. Salvete.
>
> Although our consuls have proclaimed NR to be neutral in the coming
war, I
> exercise my right as a citizen to ask that regardless of our
political or
> personal opinions, let us pray to the our gods that our
macronational leaders
> are blessed with wisdom and strength in the coming days. That
those family
> members, friends, and associates in the many areas of danger
throughout the
> world shall be blessed with courage, fortitude, and luck. That
those who
> might strike back in fear or unreasoning hate shall withhold their
anger from
> the old, the sick, the children, and those who are without blame in
these
> perilous times. If war is to come, let it be quick and to its
purpose so
> that all the children of our world may swiftly return to peace and,
perhaps,
> a better life. May the gods hear the prayers of their worshippers
in this
> dark and uncertain time. Fiat, fiat, fiat lux.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, caiustarquitius@g... wrote:

> Salvete.

Salve C. Tarquiti Saturni et salvete omnes,

> I for my part cannot understand why people here are going on to
>post their more or less argumentative or intelligent opinions about
>the Iraq-conflict. The Consuls have stated that NR is neutral.
>Additionally, there is always the possibility to create an extra
>group for a certain topic. I suggest that those who think that it is
>important that everybody knows what they are thinking do that, and
>post their enlightened opinions somewhere else. What is going on
> here is simply contraproductive and in some parts insulting for
>other NR citizens. Apart from that, if people would think before
>they write it would not be necessary that the moderators interfere.
>Obviously some people seem not to do that or seem to be unable to do
>that. What a pity.

I think it is unrealistic to expect people to drop this subject when
it is foremost in all of our minds. We are a community and
communities talk together about issues that concern them. I would
hope that we can discuss Roman topics whenever as it is our focus in
Nova Roma. However, it is hard to concentrate on, for example, a
discussion of a Saylor Roman mystery novel when a major war is about
to begin. I think most of us are mature enough to keep any discussion
of the war from exploding into a war of insults here within Nova
Roma. Nova Roma may be neutral but we do not live in cocoons and may
want to talk about this with members of our community.

That being said, discussion is expected to remain polite. Avoid
personal attacks, either of individuals or of their nations. Think
before you send a message, hesitate and get some perspective first.
Disagreement with policies or actions is one thing, attacks on
character, either personal or national, are something entirely
different.

Discussion of the war has remained relatively calm and I am not
disappointed with the deportment of our citizens in this forum so
far. As praetores we have elected to have a relatively hands off
policy this year, allowing the citizens to choose what topics are
discussed in this forum and the direction those discussions take. I
am convinced it is a wise choice.

As praetores though, we retain the power to regulate discussion on
this list, though I hope that remains unecessary.

Decius Iunius Palladius,
Praetor

I think the Romans themselves thought nearly every war they fought was a war
of liberation - if at least for Roman business interests. If I remember
correctly, the "defense of liberty" was an often-cited justification for
Roman aggression, and not necessarily hypocritical. Drusus invaded Germany
to protect the liberties of tribes friendly to Rome (i.e. those with trading
relations) from others that raided them (and Roman merchants). It's possible
Gaul fell so quickly to Caesar because many tribes were willing to side with
him against other tribes that ruled over them. So also did the Numidians
side with Rome against the domination of the Carthaginians (though Rome was
later to prove just as demanding a taskmaster to those she "liberated").

Rome's problem was always not knowing when to stop. She would conquer a
people, give them civilization, security, and prosperity. After resigning
themselves to conquest, the people accepted Roman rule and grew to
appreciate their new standards of living. But the Romans would try to
squeeze more and more out of them, as each new generation sought to get
their "piece" of the action. Thus rebellions in Gaul, three generations
after Caesar so thoroughly conquered it, because Roman tax assessment was
too high, and tax collection methods too harsh. In Britain, having a king
will his realm to Rome did not suffice when his daughters could be violated
as well, leading to war and nearly the complete extermination of Roman
Britain. Imagine the cohesiveness and stability the empire could have had if
the Romans had been more judicious and less greedy.

I think America is not like Rome in that respect, I hope we've learned since
then not to take things too far. How we treated Germany and Japan after the
last great war should be the model for treating a conquered country. Those
countries too, were liberated from onerous dictatorships, and now they are
two of our best friendly rivals and trading partners, and their citizens
enjoy some of the highest standards of living. The Iraqis are civilized
people. I pray that they realize that Saddam Hussein is not worth giving
their lives up for, and that there would be no shame in giving him up.

TAS

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Gallagher [mailto:spqr753@...]
Sent: Tuesday, 18 March, 2003 11:13
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Latest press conference from the White House

...
liberated ( and as much as I love Rome, she never once launched a war of
liberation) the people of Iraq will welcome allied troops as the liberators
that they are and the world will then know who was right and who was wrong.
...

Salvete,

Whatever the reasoning is, peoples lives will end. All we can do
is wish comfort for the familes affected by this. So, I agree with the
recent posts on this matter.And ask for their gods to comfort them if
the time comes. And welcome the troops who will be fortunate enough to
hold their loved ones, once again.Speculating in the politics of it
would just be out of ignorrance, since most of us do not have anything
above a secret clearance.

Austro

Avete ones,

> Its all conspiratorial. The true cause of all of it is UFOs and

Saskwatch.

> You see, like the movie "Predator", which is actually based on a

true story,

> aliens hunt us only during times of war. Therefore, with their

superior

> alien intellect, they control the minds of our leaders to keep us

in a

> constant state of war. They were unsuccessful with President

Clinton,

> however, because his unique brain simply turned all the alien

commands into

> a uncontrollable impulse to rape women, steal money, ans sell

military

> secrets to our enemies. However, with the typical dullard mind of

the

> American Conservative, the aliens now have free reign. I forgot how
> Saskwatch fits into to all of this, but all furry ape-like

creatures running

> naked thru our national parks must certainly be regarded with

suspicion.

thank you for sharing with us this kind of letters, we really need
them on this mailing list.
And thank you too to who is not following Senator M Cassius
Iulianus "advice" to post them in private.

respectfully

M IVL PERVSIANVS