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----- Original Message -----
From: Karen Blackburn
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 6:44 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Agriculture


Does anyone know of any books or internet sites where I might be able to find out more about agriculture in Roman times. I am starting my own smallholding shortly and would love to be able to recreate some of the Roman methods of agriculture, although I appreciate many of the breeds are no longer around. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Julia Vespasia
Karen-Julia@...

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> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus wrote:
>
> > WillbestillwriteLatinwithoutpunctuationmarksandnospaces?

> > How will modern terms be incorporated into Nova Roman Latin?
>

> As to what kind of Latin, it is my humble opinion (and only my
> opinion, as I'm sure other citizens have views on this), that one
> couldn't go wrong emulating the Latin of the Golden and Silver Ages of
> Latin Literature, beginning roughly 80 BCE and stretching over the next
> 200 years. We certainly have enough models, from Lucretius and Vergil to
> Seneca and Juvenal. Church Latin, as I understand it, is simply Imperial
> Latin pronounced according to the rules of modern Italian. So, the
> Church's "veni, vidi, vici" [vay-nee, vee-dee, vee-chee] becomes Caesar's
> "veni, vidi, vici" [way-nee, wee-dee, wee-kee] -- which I always thought
> was vaguely Hawaiian-sounding, but there it is.

> The problem is that Classical, written Latin, was probably not
> identical to vulgar, spoken Latin.

>I think most languages share this characteristic. We have plenty of
>literature extant showing us how Latin was written in the 1st century BCE,
>but no surviving eyewitnesses to tell us how Latin was spoken in the 1st
>century BCE. I'm old but not that old.

>One author of a popular primer put it this way: "Ordinarily, the literary
>language keeps in touch with the spoken language. In societies with a
>high literacy rate, the reverse also tends to hold. In such societies,
>the literary language tells the spoken language to pull its socks up and
>stand straight, and the spoken language tells the literary language not to
>be so damned stuffy, with the result that both stay alive and well."

> So, with the written language as a model, once enough people were
> speaking Latin to each other on a regular basis, a consensus on what was
> and was not acceptable would emerge. I think most languages normally
> sort themselves out in this way. All this, of course, is hypothetical,
> but such speculation can be a lot of fun.

> Adapting Latin to the need for new words for which the Romans had no
> equivalent shouldn't be difficult. Just emulate English, the champion
> lingual robber-baron of all time. We need a new word? Just steal from
> the Romans, the Greeks, the French, the Germans, whatever. How many
> words or terms have we coined by appropriating two verbs, "video" and
> "audio", which we also treat as nouns, and prefixing them to other
> words? And if one language is insufficient, we combine: videocassette
> (Latin & French), or videophone (Latin & Greek). I recently used the
> phrase, "Flammiferis cibum nolite dare" to translate "Don't feed the
> trolls!". "Troll" is of Scandinavian origin, and since we Romans never
> got that far, I could find no exact equivalent in Latin. So I used the
> Latin for "flame-carrier" or "flame-bearer" - a stretch since "troll" and
> "flamer" in e-speak are not synonymous, but close enough.

>
> What shall we call it - renascent Latin?
>

>
> I'd have opted for flame-thrower
>

----- Original Message -----
From: Pat
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Digest Number 516



> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus wrote:
>
> > WillbestillwriteLatinwithoutpunctuationmarksandnospaces?

I see punctuation in much the same way I see Arabic numerals... technical
advances that post-date the fall of Rome. Not to use them because Rome
didn't have them would be foolish. As would be passing on modern
electronics, sewing machines, and modern medical knowledge.

> > How will modern terms be incorporated into Nova Roman Latin?
>

L. Suetonius Nerva adds:

> As to what kind of Latin, it is my humble opinion (and only my
> opinion, as I'm sure other citizens have views on this), that one
> couldn't go wrong emulating the Latin of the Golden and Silver Ages of
> Latin Literature, beginning roughly 80 BCE and stretching over the next
> 200 years. We certainly have enough models, from Lucretius and Vergil to
> Seneca and Juvenal. Church Latin, as I understand it, is simply Imperial
> Latin pronounced according to the rules of modern Italian. So, the
> Church's "veni, vidi, vici" [vay-nee, vee-dee, vee-chee] becomes Caesar's
> "veni, vidi, vici" [way-nee, wee-dee, wee-kee] -- which I always thought
> was vaguely Hawaiian-sounding, but there it is.

I tend to agree.

> The problem is that Classical, written Latin, was probably not
> identical to vulgar, spoken Latin.

That's essentially a certainty. Classical written Latin is the ancient
equivalent of the defined proper dialect of British English. It's treated
as "standard," but it's only one of many dialects of Modern British
English--and most Britons don't truly speak it.

The utter loss of certain Latin words in the Romance descendant languages
suggests that they weren't in common use by the end of the Western
Empire--equus has no descendants that I'm familiar with, and all the
Romance tongues I'm somewhat familiar with use derivatives of caballus. So
written Latin is best seen as... a jumping off point for... what shall we
call it--Renascent Latin? (Someone whose command of Lingua Latina can
recast that in Latin, I shall not try...).

I think that the model we have is Modern Hebrew. It was a "dead" language,
also bereft of much vocabulary, and used only as a liturgical and scholarly
tongue for centuries. But today, there are millions in Israel for whom it
is their mother tongue. I'm quite certain that it has dialects, accents...
"improper" usage that is entirely common, and that it has developed all the
needed modern and technical vocabulary needed for a rich, diverse, modern
society.

>I think most languages share this characteristic. We have plenty of
>literature extant showing us how Latin was written in the 1st century BCE,
>but no surviving eyewitnesses to tell us how Latin was spoken in the 1st
>century BCE. I'm old but not that old.

There *may* be some evidence in surviving plays and such. I'm not familiar
enough to know if any of the plays of the time tried to capture the dialect
of the characters so that they would be familiar to the audience. But I
would not be at all surprised at there being some evidence....

>One author of a popular primer put it this way: "Ordinarily, the literary
>language keeps in touch with the spoken language. In societies with a
>high literacy rate, the reverse also tends to hold. In such societies,
>the literary language tells the spoken language to pull its socks up and
>stand straight, and the spoken language tells the literary language not to
>be so damned stuffy, with the result that both stay alive and well."

Indeed. But Latin, in the Empire, was a language which had a curious
situation. The vast influx of Greek slaves from Greece and the Eastern
conquests led to Latin being somewhat displaced in Rome itself, among the
lowest part of the population, at the very same time that Greek (in a more
"pure" form) was also the language of much learning, culture and "class"
among the elite. What effect that having Latin become the language of the
law, and the middle classes, did have, who knows? But it's hard to imagine
that it had no effect at all....

> So, with the written language as a model, once enough people were
> speaking Latin to each other on a regular basis, a consensus on what was
> and was not acceptable would emerge. I think most languages normally
> sort themselves out in this way. All this, of course, is hypothetical,
> but such speculation can be a lot of fun.

Consensus... but nothing approaching agreement. Much like speakers of
English today face, with purists insisting on usage which may (or may
not--they're actually wrong in a number of cases) be correct, while the
vast mass of us merrily evolve.

> Adapting Latin to the need for new words for which the Romans had no
> equivalent shouldn't be difficult. Just emulate English, the champion
> lingual robber-baron of all time. We need a new word? Just steal from
> the Romans, the Greeks, the French, the Germans, whatever. How many
> words or terms have we coined by appropriating two verbs, "video" and
> "audio", which we also treat as nouns, and prefixing them to other
> words? And if one language is insufficient, we combine: videocassette
> (Latin & French), or videophone (Latin & Greek). I recently used the
> phrase, "Flammiferis cibum nolite dare" to translate "Don't feed the
> trolls!". "Troll" is of Scandinavian origin, and since we Romans never
> got that far, I could find no exact equivalent in Latin. So I used the
> Latin for "flame-carrier" or "flame-bearer" - a stretch since "troll" and
> "flamer" in e-speak are not synonymous, but close enough.

The model of Latin itself, as used, provides clues, too. After all, the
Romans *did* have to deal with new and exotic things and places, peoples,
beliefs, tales. I suspect that "troll" would have been Latinized. But
your transliteration is rather a nice poetic effort (though I'll admit that
I'd have opted for flame-thrower as flamer).

Vale

M. Umbrius Ursus




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> The magnificent structure in the city of Ronda, which is still in

> A second very small Roman Bridge can be found along the main highway
> from the town of Puerto De Santa Maria on the Bay of Cadiz to the
>lovely city of Jerez De La Frontera (sherry capitol of the world!!).

> small Roman bridge over a stream close by the highway. It is no

> used for modern traffic due to the narrowness of the bridge, but is
> still used by farmers in the area to bring in agricultural products

> wagon from outlying fields.

> A third bridge is one which spans either the Cardoner or the

>

> My thanks for your efforts in this area. If you have any further
> information regarding these bridges, such as internet sites, local
> libraries. museums, or other local information sources, I would be
> pleased to have the references.

> Salvete omnes quirites.
> Voting at the comitia plebis tributa already begun!!!. Cives cast

> Ya ha comenzado la votación en la comitia plebis tributa!!.

> Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
> Tribunus plebis
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, MarcusAudens@w... wrote:
> Master Quintus Sertorius;
>
> In response to your message about bing "ready", I wanted to
discuss with
> you your last appointment in Militarium, sometingof what has
happened
> there since you left, and an opening that needs to be filled.
>
> In the absence of Casca (Cornicularius Major) and yourself
> (Cornicularius Minor), I have made Marinus my Cornicularius
temorarily,
> but he has joined another organization, and his time here is
limited.
> Those situations have slwed y plans for Militarium somewhat, but
not
> seriously.
>
> So, there are two opening in the Senior Staff:
>
> --Cornicularius (Adjutant);
>
> --Legion Contact Praefectus;
>
> This second position is one that we discussed and created, but have
> never found anyone to fll the position.
>
> Of course, there is also an appointment available working with me
in the
> area of Architechture and Geography if you are interested in that
> aspect.. You would also be welcome to join the Sodalitas Egressus
and
> be part of the NR Outreach Program.
>
> Just so you are aware, you are welcome wherever I have an
interest. You
> have been eager and willing to provide information in the past,
and you
> are in my eyes a trusted friend. I am so pleased that you have
been
> able to return, and I hope for a close association in an area in
which
> you may be interested.
>
> Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Minucius Audens
>
>
> A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills
the
> white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
> gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship
starts and
> flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and
following
> Seas!!!

>
>I have to agree with your views concerning the subtle French sense of
>humour. Only the French could appreciate the sublime anitcs of such comedy
>geniuses like Jerry Lewis.
>

> I'm attaching an essay

> I'm attaching an essay I did on the influence ancient Rome had on the
> culture and such stuff of the time period containing charlemagne and
> decretum gratiani
>
> any comments would be most welcome! (I am no good at papers or
> proofreading)
>
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> --On Thursday, March 27, 2003 5:35 PM -0500 Hedea Bianchia Dryantilla
> <hedeabianchia@...> wrote:
>
>> I'm attaching an essay I did on the influence ancient Rome had on the
>> culture and such stuff of the time period containing charlemagne and
>> decretum gratiani
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>> proofreading)
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----- Original Message -----
From: MarcusAudens@...
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] The Roman Province (?) of Assyria


Master Nerva;

Not much here:

"ASSYRIA: This territory bcame a province under Trajanin 116 but was
abandoned by Hadrian."

A map of the Empire in AD 117 (Fig,3.5) shows Assyria as a province
bounded on the West by the Tigris River and the Province of Mesoptamia.
It is bounded on the North by Armenia Major which stretches between the
Black Sea and the Caspian Sea. Its Eastern boundary appears to be the
mountain chain running NW to SE just inside the present day country of
Iran. A map of the Empire in A D 211 shows Syria Coele as the
Eastern-most province, which now includes Mesopotamia, but which is no
longer listed by name.

"The Empire at Its Peak (Fig, 3.5) --

...Trajan annexed Dacia and Arabia and took control of the new
provinces of Armenia, Mesopotamia, and Assyria from Parthia. Recurring
problems had risen on the Northern frontiers in Britain and on the Rhine
- Danube, and successive emperors attempted to strengthen these
frontiers. During the early second century, under Trajan, Pannonia was
divided into two provinces, (Upper and Lower Pannonia) , and under
Hadrian, Dacia was divided into two and then into three. The empire
reached it's maximum extent under Trajan, but his successor Hadrian was
concerned with securing the frontiers and abandoned some of the
territory won by Trajan. From the time of Hadrian, the empire ceased to
expand and remained relatively stable."

Legions which were assigned to Syria in AD 74 are listed as III Gallica,
and the IV Scythica. Legions which were assigned to Syria in AD 150 are
listed as III Gallica, IV Scythica and the XVI Flavia Firma. No Legions
are listed as being stationed in Assyria.

Reference:

"Handbook To Life In Ancient Rome," Adkins and Adkins, Oxford University
Press, Oxford / New York, 1998

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
Seas!!!


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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, me-in-@d... wrote:
> Despite Roman credentials, I remain a devotee of that Great and
> Noble Héros de la Première Résistance, Astérix le Gaulois. What
> other strip cartoon invariably includes phrases such as "Alea iacta
> est" and a Greek inscription of insulting both authors? Something I
> have never understood though is that apart from The Great Man
> Himself and his sidekick Obélix, the English names are a
> lot 'punnier' than the originals. Maugré my francophilia, I do find
> the French sense of humour to be so subtly sophisticated as to be
> nigh on undetectable. Beliefs that the Germans have no sense of
> humour are quite wrong: that will laugh at anything involving
> mothers-in-law, breasts, lavatories or somebody getting hurt. Much
> the same as traditional English Music Hall (gods spare us!), the
> prospect of one's vast-bosomed Schwiegermutter tripping over her
> knickers to brain herself on the toilet is likely to leave not a
> seat dry in the house. The French are not like that. They are more
> likely to look supercilious at any of that while collapsing
> hysterically over some obscure background detail requiring
> a magnifying glass in a depiction of Saddam Hussein. "Ils sont
> fous, ces français". So I can just see that calling the Chief
> General-Assurance because the sky might fall on his head is rather
> funny. On the other hand, Unhygienix seems an excellent name for a
> dodgy fishmonger in either language and Getafix surely has some
> French equivalent far more suitable to a Druidic purveyor of pills
> potions and alternate realities than Panoramix.
> Emlightenment from citoyen[ne]s de la Continent, peut-être?
>
> Caesariensis

I qualify as a citizen of the Continent, although not as a French.
But I have certainly been an "Astérix" fan since early childhood :-).

And you are right; the French name of the characters in "Astérix" are
truly hilarious.

My own personal favourite is Assourancetourix, or "All-Risk
Insurance", the bard of the hamlet. I also enjoy the name Goudurix,
or "Pleasure in Risk"; the name of the chief's nephew that is so
cowardly as to instill fear in the hearts of the Normans (who did not
know fear before). And what to say about Idéefix ("Fixed Mind"),
Obélix's little dog, who is certainly not known for his lack of
resolution.

If you like Goscinny's sense of humour, you should also look for "Le
Petit Nicholas". Those little books are truly incredible; and they
will change your view of childhood forever. And our American friends
should not miss "Lucky Luke"; besides having fun, they will discover
a few interesting aspects about the history of their nation. And they
will also discover who Ran Tan Plan and Averell Dalton are; that
alone is a reason to learn French :-).

CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF

> This was a province, supposedly created by the Emperor Trajan, but I have
> been unable to uncover any factual evidence of its existence. It
> was,supposedly, a province beyond the Tigris River, and existed sometime
> between 116-117 CE. Was a Roman governor ever appointed to this province?
> Was any acknowledgment of said conquest ever attested by the Roman Senate?
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: qfabiusmaxmi@...
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] The Roman Province (?) of Assyria


In a message dated 3/27/03 2:40:24 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jwalzer5@... writes:


> This was a province, supposedly created by the Emperor Trajan, but I have
> been unable to uncover any factual evidence of its existence. It
> was,supposedly, a province beyond the Tigris River, and existed sometime
> between 116-117 CE. Was a Roman governor ever appointed to this province?
> Was any acknowledgment of said conquest ever attested by the Roman Senate?
>
>

It was a province, constituted in 116, but came into being by conquest,
during Trajanus' lighting campaign to conquer the Parthians. It was short
lived, the Ascrid dynasty never recognized this province according to Dio.
By 116, Trajanus had taken Ctesiphon and the Ascrid king Osroes fled.
Trajanus then made this into the province Mesopotamia. Both Assyria and
Mesopotamia were to be Imperial provinces as Egypt. They were to be ruled by
Praetorian Prefects appointed by the Emperor.
Trajanus had extended the Roman empire to its greatest limits. He was said
to weep since he was too old to emulate Alexander III. He must have known
his time was running out.
His last campaign was against Hatra in the Mesopotamian Valley. The heat and
sandstorms drove the Romans back and the city was never conquered. He
wintered in Antioch for the last time, and was dead by Aug, 117. When he
died, Armenia was about to be a province,
Assyria was a province in revolt and the client king Abgar VII of Edessa in
Syria had rebelled. Hadrianus wisely saw there was no way to hold on to the
conquests and returned
to the Parthian client kings their provinces, including Assyria, removed the
puppet from Armenia, and returned Mesopotamia to the Parthians in return for
a fifty year peace.

QFABIVSMAXIMVS
Sources
Cassius Dio "Roman History"
Various "Augustan Histories"
Arrianus "Parthica"
Frontous "Principa Historiae"




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> Salvete omnes,
>
>I have been trying, somewhat unsuccessfully, to find images of and information about the types of furniture used in the period 100 BCE to 200 CE.nbsp; Can anyone help me?nbsp; Both Internet and printed references would be appreciated.
>
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> Many of my sources are eloquent concerning the internal makeup

> Ave Caesariensis
>
> I have to agree with your views concerning the subtle French sense of
> humour. Only the French could appreciate the sublime anitcs of such comedy
> geniuses like Jerry Lewis.
>

> Ave Caesariensis
>
> I have to agree with your views concerning the subtle French sense of
> humour. Only the French could appreciate the sublime anitcs of such

> geniuses like Jerry Lewis.
>

----- Original Message -----
From: jmath669642reng@...
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:41 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Assyria


My thanks to Senator Maximus and Citizen G. Iulius Scaurus for thier
additional information which fleshed out my understanding of the
situation in the eastern Empire during Trajan's rule. My particular
thanks to Senator Maximus for his kind inclusion of the Primary
Documentation. I am slowly building my Roman libray and I shall be
pleased to add those titles to my "want list."

I would ask Master Scaurus if he has any specific references for the
archaelogical findings to which he referred. While I honor thee Primary
Sources of our Roman History to thier fullest worth, I find that often.
as in the case of Josephus and others, that the actual archaelogical
findings often modify those Primary Documents, particularly those
authored by personages with an "axe t grind." I find the Archaelogical
Finding Reports very interesting as a result, and am always on the
lookout for available documentation in that area.

That is why I consider Egressus Praefectus Appollonius' period
announcements of modern Roman discoveries and on-going updates to be so
very valuable to both the Sodalitas Egressus and to any Nova Romans who
may be interested in the growing amount of information regarding the
history of the Roman Republic / Empire and the preceeding civilizations
which gave rise to that extraordinary institution.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


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>
>I qualify as a citizen of the Continent, although not as a French.
>But I have certainly been an “Astýrix“ fan since early childhood :-).
>

>And you are right; the French name of the characters in “Astýrix“ are
>truly hilarious.
>

>My own personal favourite is Assourancetourix, or “All-Risk
>Insurance“, the bard of the hamlet.
>

>or “Pleasure in Risk“; the name of the chief's nephew that is so
>cowardly as to instill fear in the hearts of the Normans (who did not
>know fear before). And what to say about Idýefix (“Fixed Mind“),
>Obýlix's little dog, who is certainly not known for his lack of
>resolution.
>

>If you like Goscinny's sense of humour, you should also look for “Le
>Petit Nicholas“. Those little books are truly incredible; and they
>will change your view of childhood forever. And our American friends

>
>This is somehow the same case, as E.A. Poe which made a tremendous
>success in France due to the translation by Baudelaire: The french
>version is much much better than the original.
>

>
>I have not often seen this comic strip, but what I have seen I have
>found to be humorous, at about the same level as Blondie and Dagwood.
>There is also the added aspect of a few tidbits of Roman information.
>

>it all. While French culture is considered to be one of the most refined,
>advanced, and imitated in the whole of Human History, how does one square
>that with their love of Jerry Lewis?
>

> This Jerry Lewis thing needs some explanation:
>
> 1) In France movies appear translated not subtitled.
> 2) What french people apreciate so much is : The body acting of

> + the voice and vocal acting of the french "translator" (what is the
> real name for that?)
>
> And the combination is really good. J. Lewis subtitled is really

> specially because of the awful voice he uses.

----- Original Message -----
From: <jmath669642reng@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:22 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Asterix


> Citizens of Nova Roma;
>
> I have not often seen this comic strip, but what I have seen I have
> found to be humorous, at about the same level as Blondie and Dagwood.
> There is also the added aspect of a few tidbits of Roman information.
>
> Perhaps Curator Differum Tiberius might consider making arrangements
> with those who are in daily contact with "Asterix and Friends" to incude
> some of the best of this strip in the "Eagle." I would also appreciate
> it very much would it be possible to somehow arrange a few of the strip
> items to be a part of the Militarium's "Pilum" (a quarterly
> publication).
>
> I am aware that my humor index is, as Master Agricola has hinted, rather
> lowbrow however, in my view, a smile a day has the effect of making an
> otherwise miserable day, a little more bearable. I do not care for Mr.
> J. Lewis' slapstick humor, but I do support his "Jerry's Kids" work with
> chldren who have certain handicaps / medical problems.
>
> Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Minucius Audens
>
> Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
>
> http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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<<snipped>>

> > My own personal favourite is Assourancetourix, or "All-Risk
> > Insurance", the bard of the hamlet.
> >
> I was thinking he was the Chief. Maybe they've swapped them round.
> In English he is Cacophonix.

The chief's name is Abraracourcix in French :-).

> > I also enjoy the name Goudurix,
> > or "Pleasure in Risk"; the name of the chief's nephew that is so
> > cowardly as to instill fear in the hearts of the Normans (who did
> > not know fear before). And what to say about Idýefix ("Fixed
> > Mind"), Obýlix's little dog, who is certainly not known for his
> > lack of resolution.
> >
> Don't know Goudurix but the dog is Dogmatix, so it's not so
> different after all.

Not a bad translation :-).

> I've missed the Norman one. That's a pity since I come from
> offshore Normandy. My ex-girlfriend had all the Tin-Tin and her
> brother all the Asterix. Damn! I don't thing much of Tin-Tin.

"Asterix et les Normands" is an excellent comic-book. But mind you;
those Normans are not from Normandy; they are from Scandinavia (it's
50 BCE after all ;-) ).

> > If you like Goscinny's sense of humour, you should also look
> > for "Le Petit Nicholas". Those little books are truly incredible;
> > and they will change your view of childhood forever. And our
> > American friends
>
> I can never remember who was the artist and who the story-line.

The story was written by René Goscinny, while Albert Uderzo made the
drawings. Goscinny was a true genius; his sense of humour was
incredible. Unfortunately, he died in the 70's. Since then, Uderzo
has kept writing and drawing Asterix; some of his stories are truly
excellent, but Goscinny was really hard to beat :-).

> I do think it important to look really hard because they have
> little jokes hidden where you wouldn't expect, like a Mural in
> Asterix at the Olympics with two ugly faces labelled Uderzo
> Tyrannos Goskinni Despotes *in Greek*. And the way Egyptians talk
> hieroglyphs and Goths Black letter and so on. One of my favourite
> little touches (and a very English sense of humour) is the signpost
> reading on the really filthy side Gallia (Empire romain) and on the
> immaculately shining clean side Helvitia (Empire romain aussi).

You should read "Asterix in Britain". That was one of the best :-).

CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF

----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel O. Villanueva
To: Nova-Roma
Cc: NR_Argentina ; Tribunes ; ComitiaPlebisTributa
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 11:22 AM
Subject: Plebeians!!!!!! Cast your votes!!!


Salvete Plebeian citizens!

Why is this vote important? Because the Tribunes represent you in the government of Nova Roma!

What does a Tribune do? Very simply put:

1)The Tribunes need to know the Constitution of Nova Roma and her laws to make sure that no new laws are passed that are unconstitutional. The Tribunes keep an eye on the big boys (the Senate, the Consuls, or any other magistrate :-))), so that the rights of the people are not compromised. The Tribunes have the right of vetoing the actions of any other magistrate, but in order to actually veto something, the majority of the Tribunes have to be in agreement. This is why 5 Tribunes are necessary: we also need a 'balance of power' within the Tribunate itself.

2) The Tribunes can also propose new laws, which will then be voted upon by all of the citizens of Nova Roma. Two of last year's Tribunes, Gnaeus Salix Astur and Marcus Arminius Maior were quite active in this area.

3) The Tribunes also report what is being discussed in the Senate. Tribune Geminus Sceptius will be posting the next Senate report of 2756 soon.

4) The Tribunes also organize the elections for the Plebeian offices (Plebeian Aediles and Tribunes of the Plebs), which is why I am sending you this email :-) It's time to vote for your favorite Tribune candidate!

5) And if any of the citizens are having any Nova Roma troubles, the Tribunes are always available to help.

And lastly, on behalf of this year's current Tribunes, the best of luck to the 3 candidates in this run-off election. We look forward to welcoming one of you to the team!

Valete,

Lucius Pompeius Octavianus

Tribunus Plebis



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> Ave Caesariensis
>
> I have to agree with your views concerning the subtle French sense of
> humour. Only the French could appreciate the sublime anitcs of such comedy
> geniuses like Jerry Lewis.
>

----- Original Message -----
From: <jmath669642reng@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:22 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Asterix


> Citizens of Nova Roma;
>
> I have not often seen this comic strip, but what I have seen I have
> found to be humorous, at about the same level as Blondie and Dagwood.
> There is also the added aspect of a few tidbits of Roman information.
>
> Perhaps Curator Differum Tiberius might consider making arrangements
> with those who are in daily contact with "Asterix and Friends" to incude
> some of the best of this strip in the "Eagle." I would also appreciate
> it very much would it be possible to somehow arrange a few of the strip
> items to be a part of the Militarium's "Pilum" (a quarterly
> publication).
>
> I am aware that my humor index is, as Master Agricola has hinted, rather
> lowbrow however, in my view, a smile a day has the effect of making an
> otherwise miserable day, a little more bearable. I do not care for Mr.
> J. Lewis' slapstick humor, but I do support his "Jerry's Kids" work with
> chldren who have certain handicaps / medical problems.
>
> Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Minucius Audens
>
> Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
>
> http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>

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> The only addition I would
> make to Q. Fabius Maximus' list of primary literary sources for the
> Parthian campaign is the sixth-century Antiochene chronicler John
> Malalas' _Chronographia_.
>
>

> I didn't include it [John Malalas] since some of his translations

>
> FABIVS

> Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 00:51:54 -0000
> From: "Alejandro Carneiro"
> <piteas@...>
> Subject: MEGALESIA CHARIOT RACES (last call)
>
> Citizens!
> Nova Roma organizes chariot races during the
> Megalesia Festival
> April 4-10, 2003, in recollection of the roman
> customs of amusement
> and entertainment.
> The races on the Circus wait for yours teams.
> Prepare your whips,
> it´s time for running!
> The public waits for you chariots. If you win, you
> will receive a
> nice prize and the recognition of the members of
> your Factio and the
> whole citizenship.
> On the sand of the Circus, you can be a rabid red, a
> dangerous blue,
> a furious green or a terrifying white.
>
> Send your chariot and fight for the glory of the
> victory in the Ludi
> Megalesia!!
>
> We're now 17, but the Goddess Cybele needs 15 more
> on the sand for a
> good Ludi.
>
> Join in!
>
> The inscription ends on March 29. (Maximum 32
> players)
>
> Inscription in: salixgalaicus@...
>
> You must send:
>
> 1.Your Roman name
> 2. Names of your driver and chariot.
> 3. Factio (russata, veneta, praesina or albata)
> 4. Tactics number for quarters and semi-finals.
> 5. Tactics number for the final.
>
> The possible tactics are:
>
> 1) To hurry in the last laps
> 2) To pass the curves closely the "spina" of the
> circus
> 3) To support a constant pace
> 4) To lash the rivals
> 5) To push the rivals to the wall of the circus
> 6) To hurry in the straight lines
>
>
> 6. Dirty actions against a rival Factio (If you
> want)
>
>
> For more information read the rules in
>

>
>
> Salix Galaicus
> Caput oficcinae ludorum (Scribe of the races)

> -----Original Message-----
> >
> >I have not often seen this comic strip, but what I have seen I have
> >found to be humorous, at about the same level as Blondie and Dagwood.
> >There is also the added aspect of a few tidbits of Roman information.
> >
> I remember Blondie from when I was very young but never understood it.
> I don't think I would now either because it refers to a world different
> because American and even more different because its 1950s background
> is so alien.
> Asterix seems to manage to join quite lowbrow humour with quiet sophisticated
> stuff and of course is beautifully politically incorrect since it makes a fool
> of everybody except the French (who, one must admit, can often do a far better
> job of that for themselves).

> There are nice observations in "in Britain" where
> all battles stop for a cup of hot water at 4pm and one man ensures an entire
> legion in hot pursuit Keeps Off The Grass - and Belgians eat nothing but
> fried roots.
>
> Somebody familiar with the map might also know whether I am right in thinking
> that Asterix lives in what will become St. Malo?
>

>
> Salvete Cives,
>
> I have created a group called "Nova Roma" on the SETI@home site.
>
> SETI@home is a distributed computing project run by the University

> California, Berkeley, in which millions of volunteers donate spare
> CPU time to analyze data gathered from radio telescopes, with the
> goal of finding evidencd of intelligent life. ("SETI" is "Search
> for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence")
>
> SETI@home volunteers download and install a program provided by
> the university that runs continuously in the background (either
> invisibly or as a screen saver) that performs calculations on
> data that is automatically fetched from the SETI servers.

> it takes about 10-20 hours to complete a "work unit" and return
> the results of the analysis back to the server.
>
> To promote competition, they show statistics for individiual users
> on the website, and also allow the volunteers to organize into

> so that the teams may be ranked by the total of all the results
> that members have been submitted.
>
> If you're a current SETI user and would like to join the new
> Nova Roma group, please go here:
>
> http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/cgi?

>
> If you've never used SETI@home but would like to try it, you can
> download it (for several operating systems including Windows,

> Linux, and BSD) and install it in only a few minutes. After that,
> your spare processing power (which is otherwise wasted) can be
> put to good use.
>
> The main page for the project is at

>
> Please join us!
>
> Vale, Octavius.
>
> --
> Marcus Octavius Germanicus,
> Censor, Consular, Citizen.
> http://cynico.net/~hucke/

----- Original Message -----
From: Marcus Octavius Germanicus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 5:09 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] SETI@home group: Nova Roma



Salvete Cives,

I have created a group called "Nova Roma" on the SETI@home site.

SETI@home is a distributed computing project run by the University of
California, Berkeley, in which millions of volunteers donate spare
CPU time to analyze data gathered from radio telescopes, with the
goal of finding evidencd of intelligent life. ("SETI" is "Search
for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence")

SETI@home volunteers download and install a program provided by
the university that runs continuously in the background (either
invisibly or as a screen saver) that performs calculations on
data that is automatically fetched from the SETI servers. Generally,
it takes about 10-20 hours to complete a "work unit" and return
the results of the analysis back to the server.

To promote competition, they show statistics for individiual users
on the website, and also allow the volunteers to organize into teams,
so that the teams may be ranked by the total of all the results
that members have been submitted.

If you're a current SETI user and would like to join the new
Nova Roma group, please go here:

http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/cgi?cmd=team_join_form&id=164915

If you've never used SETI@home but would like to try it, you can
download it (for several operating systems including Windows, Macintosh,
Linux, and BSD) and install it in only a few minutes. After that,
your spare processing power (which is otherwise wasted) can be
put to good use.

The main page for the project is at http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/.

Please join us!

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus,
Censor, Consular, Citizen.
http://cynico.net/~hucke/


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On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 09:39:46AM -0800, L. Cornelius Sulla wrote:
> Ave,
>
> Earthlink used to do that but it kept ports open that could be a security risk.
>
> With that security risk I on my home personal computer I cannot take that risk.

Rather than spreading FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt) through making
uninformed statements, why not find out what's true instead?

The SETI@home FAQ
<http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/faq.html>

What about security?
<http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/faq.html#q1.7>

Ever since version 1.06, SETI@home has had comprehensive firewall
support, single-source downloading, and a number of other security
features built in; at this point, they're up to version 3.07 for
Wind0ws, 3.03 for Mac and Unix. As well, you seem to be lacking a basic
piece of information: if there's no *service* at a given port, there's
no chance of vulnerability. A port simply being open does not constitute
a security risk. Not that it really matters in this case: SETI@home uses
HTTP (outgoing) - the same protocol used by your browser while you surf.

You, of course, are welcome to join or not - it's purely up to you.
However, sabotaging someone else's efforts through misinformation -
efforts which benefit the entire human race, by the way - is something I
find highly ethically questionable and frightening in a person with
authority in Nova Roma.


SETI@home (The Search for ExtraTerrestrial Intelligence)
<http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu>

Folding@home (Stanford University's protein folding project - cancer/
cystic fibrosis/emphysema/BSE/etc. research)
<http://foldingathome.stanford.edu/>

Genome@home (Genome, gene, and protein evolution research)
<http://genomeathome.stanford.edu/>

For a list of other Distributed Client projects, tools, and information
on how you can help, see the Internet-based Distributed Computing
Projects page:
<http://www.aspenleaf.com/distributed/distrib-tools.html>


Valete,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Tamdiu discendum est, quamdiu vivas.
We should learn as long as we may live. (We live and learn.)
-- Seneca Philosophus, "Epistulae"

> You, of course, are welcome to join or not - it's purely up to you.
> However, sabotaging someone else's efforts through misinformation -
> efforts which benefit the entire human race, by the way - is something I
> find highly ethically questionable and frightening in a person with
> authority in Nova Roma.

On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 12:55:20PM -0600, Marcus Octavius Germanicus wrote:
> Salve Cai Minuci,
>
> > You, of course, are welcome to join or not - it's purely up to you.
> > However, sabotaging someone else's efforts through misinformation -
> > efforts which benefit the entire human race, by the way - is something I
> > find highly ethically questionable and frightening in a person with
> > authority in Nova Roma.
>
> I'm sure his advice was well-intended.

All right; I'm willing to accept your take on it. Without that context,
however, I saw L. Cornelius Sulla's post as propagating dangerous
misinformation about projects I consider vitally important. In my
opinion, they use the best tools - and I'm not talking about computers
but cooperation among well-intentioned people - for the highest
purposes, and I'm behind them all the way. I often wish I could run more
machines just for the purpose, but room and power aboard are limited. :/

> One can never be too careful
> these days, especially if running any version of Windows -- which is
> about as secure as a screen door on a submarine.

<chuckle> I teach a security course for Sun, "Administering Security for
the Solaris Operating Environment". When my students ask me about
running Wind0ws machines in their companies, I can only advise them to
hide these behind multiple (Un*x-based) firewalls, DMZ mail scanners,
and NAT routers and disguise the outgoing OS identifiers.

> Today, I've run "nmap" against all of my machines which run the SETI
> client, and found nothing suspicious.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
ben@Fenrir:~$ nmap localhost

Starting nmap V. 3.10ALPHA4 ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ )
Interesting ports on localhost (127.0.0.1):
(The 1604 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed)
Port State Service
783/tcp open hp-alarm-mgr

Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 0.466 seconds
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Port 783 is "spamd", my SpamAssassin daemon, and it's accepting only
local packets. On rare occasions, I'll fire up "sshd" when I want an
incoming connection. The "@HOME" client doesn't show at all, just as
expected.

> Thanks for posting the links to the FAQ answers regarding security; this
> should assure everyone here that it's perfectly safe.

You're welcome! I like to contribute what I can.


Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Dictum, factum.
Said and done.
-- Terence, "Heautontimorumenos"

> -----Mensagem original-----
> De: Marcus Octavius Germanicus [mailto:hucke@...]
> Enviada em: domingo, 30 de março de 2003 10:09
> Para: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Assunto: [Nova-Roma] SETI@home group: Nova Roma
>
>
>
> Salvete Cives,
>
> I have created a group called "Nova Roma" on the SETI@home site.
>
> SETI@home is a distributed computing project run by the University of
> California, Berkeley, in which millions of volunteers donate spare
> CPU time to analyze data gathered from radio telescopes, with the
> goal of finding evidencd of intelligent life. ("SETI" is "Search
> for Extra-Terrestrial Intelligence")
>
> SETI@home volunteers download and install a program provided by
> the university that runs continuously in the background (either
> invisibly or as a screen saver) that performs calculations on
> data that is automatically fetched from the SETI servers. Generally,
> it takes about 10-20 hours to complete a "work unit" and return
> the results of the analysis back to the server.
>
> To promote competition, they show statistics for individiual users
> on the website, and also allow the volunteers to organize into teams,
> so that the teams may be ranked by the total of all the results
> that members have been submitted.
>
> If you're a current SETI user and would like to join the new
> Nova Roma group, please go here:
>
> http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/cgi-bin/cgi?cmd=team_join_form&

----- Original Message -----
From: Caius Minucius Scaevola
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 10:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] SETI@home group: Nova Roma


Salvete, omnes:

On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 09:39:46AM -0800, L. Cornelius Sulla wrote:
> Ave,
>
> Earthlink used to do that but it kept ports open that could be a security risk.
>
> With that security risk I on my home personal computer I cannot take that risk.

Rather than spreading FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt) through making
uninformed statements, why not find out what's true instead?

The SETI@home FAQ
<http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/faq.html>

What about security?
<http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/faq.html#q1.7>

Ever since version 1.06, SETI@home has had comprehensive firewall
support, single-source downloading, and a number of other security
features built in; at this point, they're up to version 3.07 for
Wind0ws, 3.03 for Mac and Unix. As well, you seem to be lacking a basic
piece of information: if there's no *service* at a given port, there's
no chance of vulnerability. A port simply being open does not constitute
a security risk. Not that it really matters in this case: SETI@home uses
HTTP (outgoing) - the same protocol used by your browser while you surf.

You, of course, are welcome to join or not - it's purely up to you.
However, sabotaging someone else's efforts through misinformation -
efforts which benefit the entire human race, by the way - is something I
find highly ethically questionable and frightening in a person with
authority in Nova Roma.


SETI@home (The Search for ExtraTerrestrial Intelligence)
<http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu>

Folding@home (Stanford University's protein folding project - cancer/
cystic fibrosis/emphysema/BSE/etc. research)
<http://foldingathome.stanford.edu/>

Genome@home (Genome, gene, and protein evolution research)
<http://genomeathome.stanford.edu/>

For a list of other Distributed Client projects, tools, and information
on how you can help, see the Internet-based Distributed Computing
Projects page:
<http://www.aspenleaf.com/distributed/distrib-tools.html>


Valete,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Tamdiu discendum est, quamdiu vivas.
We should learn as long as we may live. (We live and learn.)
-- Seneca Philosophus, "Epistulae"

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On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 02:13:37PM -0800, L. Cornelius Sulla wrote:
> Ave Caius Minucius,
>
> I have been employed at Earthink for going on 4 years. When I started
> working at Earthink (in Technical Support and now in the Finance
> Dept.) every system had this system (screen saver) installed on them.
> Back about 2 1/2 years ago, Earthink merged with Mindspring and the
> Vice Presidents of IT and Executive Vice Presidents posted an
> announcement to all Earthlink employees instructing them to remove the
> program. They stated that the program can be a security risk with the
> networks that we utilize and could result in a security breech.

I'm certain that management understands security matters far better
than security administrators and technical professionals. In my
experience, many managers are convinced of it.

> Now,
> Caius Municius, I appreciate you posting the link and everything, but,
> I will not put my computer in even a possible risk even.

Nor was I asking you to; I have no quarrel with anything you may choose
to install (or not) on your computer. What I objected to was a public
broadcast of misinformation, particularly by anyone in a position of
authority. Please note what I said previously:

"You, of course, are welcome to join or not - it's purely up to you."

I would have thought that anyone participating in a group such as this
one, where the cry of "primary sources!" is often heard would realize
the need for accurate information - "accurate" meaning "coming from
reliable and authoritative sources." Earthlink, which has been cracked,
successfully DDoSed, and had its credit card data stolen - I'll provide
info links for the above if you'd like - is hardly what I would consider
even a useful source for security information, much less reliable or
authoritative.


Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Illi robur et aes triplex circa pectus erat, qui fragilem truci commisit pelago
ratem primus.
As hard as oak and three times bronze was the heart of him who first committed a
fragile vessel to the keeping of wild waves.
-- Horace, "Carmina"

> Salvete Cives:
>
> Given the current conflict in the Middle East, I pose the following question:
>
> Does anyone have any information re: the putative Roman province of ASSYRIA?