Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Apl 24-30, 2003

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9936 From: Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix Date: 2003-04-24
Subject: Re: Temple of Minerva in Limburg Belgium
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9937 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-04-24
Subject: Re: Temple of Minerva in Limburg Belgium
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9938 From: Caius Curius Saturninus Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Roman Economic History, need help
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9939 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Re: Temple of Minerva in Limburg Belgium
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9940 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Re: Roman Economic History, need help
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9941 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Iberian Epigraphy
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9942 From: A. Hirtius Helveticus Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Re: Roman Economic History, need help
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9943 From: L. Cornelius Sulla Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Re: Roman Economic History, need help
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9944 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Re: Temple of Minerva Part 4 :-)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9945 From: me-in-@disguise.co.uk Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Re: Temple of Minerva in Limburg Belgium
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9946 From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Minerva Temple
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9947 From: Daniel O. Villanueva Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Re-schedule of Comitia Plebis tributa
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9948 From: Declan Dillman Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Re: incorrect URL
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9949 From: M Arminius Maior Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Re: Minerva Temple
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9950 From: me-in-@disguise.co.uk Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Re: Minerva Temple
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9951 From: Titus Arminius Genialis Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: CEREALIA RESULTS AND AWARDS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9952 From: jlasalle Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: A Taste of Ancient Times
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9953 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Re: A Taste of Ancient Times
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9954 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Re: A Taste of Ancient Times
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9955 From: Caius Minucius Scaevola Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: Re: A Taste of Ancient Times
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9956 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: English and Latin Grammar
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9957 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: Re: A Taste of Ancient Times
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9958 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: Re: A Taste of Ancient Times
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9959 From: Lucius Porticus Brutus Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: quite puzzled about taxes.....
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9960 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: LUDI CIRCENSES: upgrading
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9961 From: Hedea Bianchia Dryantilla Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: money for college?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9962 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: Re: quite puzzled about taxes.....
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9963 From: me-in-@disguise.co.uk Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: Re: A Taste of Ancient Times
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9964 From: L. Cornelius Sulla Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: Re: money for college?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9965 From: Marcus Cassius Julianus Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: Re: quite puzzled about taxes.....
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9966 From: Lewis C Jones Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: Re: money for college?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9967 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: TAX PAYMENT
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9968 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: Re: Event in Wisconsin and the Eagle
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9969 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: The Philodemus Project
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9970 From: G.Porticus Brutis Date: 2003-04-27
Subject: Re: quite puzzled about taxes.....
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9971 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-04-27
Subject: Problems with PayPal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9972 From: LuciusSalixCicero Date: 2003-04-27
Subject: Re: Problems with PayPal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9973 From: julilla Date: 2003-04-27
Subject: Re: quite puzzled about taxes.....
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9974 From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-04-27
Subject: Re: The Aedile's Problems with PayPal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9975 From: Gnaeus Octavius Noricus Date: 2003-04-27
Subject: Re: Problems with PayPal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9976 From: Iulia Vopisca Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Flora and Her Festival (Floralia)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9978 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Religion in Roman Carthage
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9979 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Re: Problems with PayPal
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9980 From: aerdensrw Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Suicide by Assassination?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9981 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Re: Suicide by Assassination?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9982 From: Liz Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Dentistry in Ancient Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9983 From: Gnaeus Octavius Noricus Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Re: Dentistry in Ancient Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9984 From: L. Cornelius Sulla Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Re: Dentistry in Ancient Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9985 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Re: Dentistry in Ancient Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9986 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Re: Gynaecology in Ancient Rome?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9987 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Re: Dentistry in Ancient Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9988 From: pjane Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Roman Days 2003: Rooms reserved for Nova Romans
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9989 From: L. Cornelius Sulla Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: CNN Article
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9990 From: Fortunatus Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Feriae Latinae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9991 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Forma Urbis Romae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9992 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Re: Suicide by Assassination?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9993 From: Caius Minucius Scaevola Date: 2003-04-29
Subject: Re: Suicide by Assassination?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9994 From: Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix Date: 2003-04-29
Subject: a question about numismatics
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9995 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus Date: 2003-04-29
Subject: SUICIDE BY ASSASSINATION
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9996 From: L. Cornelius Sulla Date: 2003-04-29
Subject: Re: SUICIDE BY ASSASSINATION
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9997 From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-04-29
Subject: Re: SUICIDE BY ASSASSINATION
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9998 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-04-29
Subject: Re: NR rally in Bollogna
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9999 From: Bill Gawne Date: 2003-04-29
Subject: Ludi Florales
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10000 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-04-29
Subject: Re: NR rally in Bollogna
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10001 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-04-29
Subject: FLOREALES LUDI CIRCENSES
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10002 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2003-04-30
Subject: Re: SUICIDE BY ASSASSINATION
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10003 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2003-04-30
Subject: Virtual Reconstruction of Ancient Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10004 From: William Rogers Date: 2003-04-30
Subject: Posting a question...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10005 From: Gnaeus Salix Astur Date: 2003-04-30
Subject: Fwd: A course you may be interested in
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10006 From: Bill Gawne Date: 2003-04-30
Subject: Ludi Florales Trivia Contest -- Day 1
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10007 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-04-30
Subject: Re: Posting a question...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10008 From: Decimus Iunius Silanus Date: 2003-04-30
Subject: Re: Posting a question...



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9936 From: Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix Date: 2003-04-24
Subject: Re: Temple of Minerva in Limburg Belgium
Salvete!

Some research on the net brought up little information
on the small Minerva-temple in Alden Biesen, but it's
definitely an 18th century building:

"Behind the fortress there is a so called 'English
Garden', built by the garden architect Ghislain Henry,
at the order of the Commander. They started in 1786
and finished in 1787. More than 30000 trees were
planted, and as showpiece they built a round temple
with the Roman goddess Minerva." (translated from
http://www.clerx.nl/landcomm.htm)

But of course it's still a nice temple to Minerva!

For more information on Alden-Biesen (English):
http://www.alden-biesen.be/E_index.html


> Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 11:56:16 +0200
> From: "Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@...>
> Subject: Temple of Minerva in Limburg Belgium
>
> Salvete,
>
> This email is cross posted to the Religio and the
> ML. sorry!
>
> As some of you may know, I live in the Gallo-Roman
> section of Belgium. In
> every town, small or large, one finds Roman remains
> and statues of Roman
> Gods and Goddesses.
>
> Anyway, yesterday I went for a bike ride in my
> neighborhood to a place
> called Alden-Biesen, which in ancient times was a
> fortress for the Teutonic
> Knights. The castle was built a bit before 1200 CE
> and is total restored.
> The castle complex must be a square kilometer,
> surrounded by kilometers of
> parks and gardens. The place is just beautiful.
> Anyway, as I stood by the
> moat I looked up and saw the sun shining down on top
> of a beautifully kept
> hill topped by some very ancient looking trees. In
> the middle was something
> which looked amazingly like a Roman temple with a
> statue inside. I assumed
> it was a statue of Saint Maria and thought I would
> go up to take a look.
> Anyway, I walked the 500 meters up the hill and was
> shocked to find that the
> statue was of Minerva and that it was a Temple of
> Minerva.
>
> The entire temple has been restored and so has the
> statue. You can see where
> the glue/cement holds everything together, but it is
> really impressive and
> quite beautiful. It's too bad that I didn't know
> about this last year
> during the NR Rally in Tongeren. It is only about 20
> minutes from there.
> Here is a photo:
> http://www.gensmoravia.org/minerva.htm
> Anyway, I have no idea how old it is or any other
> history. I'm trying to
> find out, but so far no luck. I know that we have at
> least 2 Belgians on
> this list: have any ideas Solaris or Cicatrix?
>
> Vale,
> Diana Moravia Aventina


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9937 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-04-24
Subject: Re: Temple of Minerva in Limburg Belgium
Salve Cicatrix,

Thanks for the info! Just a question. I found the same site a few days ago
and my translation is a bit different than yours.

'Als pronkstuk staat er een stenen rondtempel met de Romeinse godin Minerva'

Your translation : they built a round temple with the Roman goddess
Minerva."

Me: Honestly, I don't see the word 'built' in the Dutch sentence. My
translation would be 'As centerpiece there stands a round stone temple with
the Goddess Minerva'. But maybe it's my use of Dutch :-p So I am still
being stubborn and hanging onto the idea that the Temple was already there
when the gardens were built. I mean why would Teutonic Priest-Knights build
a Temple to a roman Goddess? Everything else in the domain looks very much
Christian.

And to Marcus Minucius Audens,

<The structure is quite nice, and the detail is really exquisite from a
<builder's standpoint. May I <assume that the red building in the
background is the fortress of which you spoke?

Yes, that looks like a partial side view. It's really is quite impressive.
From what I understand, buildings have been added onto the main structure
since the year 1200 or so. On the Alden Biesen website that Cicatrix gave,
there is a great overhead view on the main page.
http://www.alden-biesen.be/E_index.html The virtual visit is also nice and
gives a better idea of just how beautiful and truly immense this place is.

Valete,
Diana Moravia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9938 From: Caius Curius Saturninus Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Roman Economic History, need help
Salvete omnes,

I hope someone could help me out to find a book. I need a good basic
book about Roman economic history in English. The book should be
general in nature and dealing with long timespan. It does need to be
long, even 400 pages is enough. Is there any standard basic work in
the field?

Valete,
--

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Legatus Regionis Finnicae
Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
Praeses et Triumvir Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9939 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Re: Temple of Minerva in Limburg Belgium
G. Iulius Scaurus Dianae Moraviae Aventinae salutem dicit.

Salve, Diana Moravia.

> Me: Honestly, I don't see the word 'built' in the Dutch sentence. My
> translation would be 'As centerpiece there stands a round stone
temple with
> the Goddess Minerva'. But maybe it's my use of Dutch :-p So I am still
> being stubborn and hanging onto the idea that the Temple was already
there
> when the gardens were built. I mean why would Teutonic
Priest-Knights build
> a Temple to a roman Goddess? Everything else in the domain looks
very much
> Christian.

While I don't read Dutch, I'd hazard a guess that the temple to
Minerva had to do with the Neoclassical taste of much of the
eighteeenth century's educated classes tended to espouse rather than
religious belief. Pius VI kept statutes of Minerva and Apollo
excavated from the Palatine in his private apartments.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9940 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Re: Roman Economic History, need help
G. Iulius Scaurus C. Curio Saturnino salutem dicit.

Salve, C. Curi.

> I hope someone could help me out to find a book. I need a good basic
> book about Roman economic history in English. The book should be
> general in nature and dealing with long timespan. It does need to be
> long, even 400 pages is enough. Is there any standard basic work in
> the field?

This is a more difficult question to answer than it might seem.
A.H.M. Jones' _The Roman Economy: Studies in Ancient Economic and
Administrative History_ is good, but not exhaustive (Jones tends to
deal more with the literary than the archaeological evidence) and M.I.
Rostovtzeff's _The Social and Economic History of the Roman Empire_ is
classic and massive, but out-of-date and deals only with the imperial
period. Jones also has a good general introduction to Roman economic
history in his two volumes on the later empire, but the bulk of the
chapter deals only with the late antique and Byzantine economy.
Richard Duncan-Jones has two excellent monographs, _The Economy of the
Roman Empire: Quantitative Studies_ and _Structure and Scale in the
Roman Economy_, but they're not comprehensive. Kevin Greene's _The
Archaeology of the Roman Economy_ is excellent, but doesn't deal much
with the literary evidence. Neville Morley's _Metropolis and
hinterland : the city of Rome and the Italian economy, 200 B.C.-A.D.
200_ is very interesting, but limited to the Italian economy, and C.R.
Whittaker's _Land, City, and Trade in the Roman Empire_ isn't really
a comprehensive survey. There's also the problem that a great deal of
the better work on Roman economic history is written in German,
Italian, and French, but not translated into English. Perhaps a
combination of Jones and Greene would meet your need? I wish I could
be more helpful.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9941 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Iberian Epigraphy
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to the Archivo Epigr‡fico de Hispania (it is in Spanish
and the epigraphical indices are in .pdf files):

http://www.ucm.es/info/archiepi/aevh/index2.html

It contains links to:

* _Hispania Epigraphica_, a journal edited by Isabel Velˆzquez for the
Archivo Epigrˆfico de Hispania of the Universidad Complutense in
Madrid, publishes texts of ancient inscriptions newly found in the
Iberian peninsula (and new studies or readings of known texts) up to
the Visigothic period. Its website has extremely detailed epigraphical
indices for issues 5-7 (1995-1997) which are particularly useful for
onomastic and philological as well as epigraphic research.

* A database for a virtual archive of Iberian inscriptions (there are
only a handful currently available, but there are plans to eventually
cover the entire corpus of Iberian inscriptions).

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9942 From: A. Hirtius Helveticus Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Re: Roman Economic History, need help
Salve Caie Saturnie

I suggest the following two works (I once browsed
through them during my studies of economic and social
history):

Boren, Henry Charles (1992): Roman Society: A Social,
Economic, and Cultural History, Houghton Mifflin, 2nd
Ed.

De Ligt, L. (1993): Fairs and Markets in the Roman
Empire: Economic and Social Aspects of Periodic Trade
in a Pre-Industrial Society (Dutch Monographs on
Ancient History), John Benjamins Pub. Co.

The first one gives a good overview, not only about
economic history. The second one is maybe a bit too
focussed on periodic trade.

There is also a new and excellent German introduction
to Roman economic history, but I am not sure, whether
it is published in english, too (yet):

Drexhage, Hans-Joachim; Kronen, Heinrich; Ruffing, Kai
(2002): Die Wirtschaft des Römischen Reiches. (1. - 3.
Jahrhundert). Eine Einführung, Akademie-Verlag.

Vale bene,



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9943 From: L. Cornelius Sulla Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Re: Roman Economic History, need help
Ave Caius Curius,

Here are some titles for you:

Banking and Business in the Roman World

Roman Society: A Social, Economic, and Cultural History

Coinage in the Roman Economy, 300 B.C. to A.D. 700 (Ancient Society and History)

Business Managers in Ancient Rome: A Social and Economic Study of Institores, 200 B.C.-A.D. 250 (Columbia Studies in the Classical Tradition, V. 21.)

The Sixth Century: Production, Distribution and Demand (Transformation of the Roman World, V. 3) (Probably a bit off topic for what you are asking for.)

All of these books are available through amazon.com. Maybe our webmaster can add these to the amazon.com link.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
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Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2003 9:12 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Roman Economic History, need help


Salvete omnes,

I hope someone could help me out to find a book. I need a good basic
book about Roman economic history in English. The book should be
general in nature and dealing with long timespan. It does need to be
long, even 400 pages is enough. Is there any standard basic work in
the field?

Valete,
--

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Accensus Superior Primus (Ductor Cohortis) Cohors Consulis CFQ
Legatus Regionis Finnicae
Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
Praeses et Triumvir Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9944 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Re: Temple of Minerva Part 4 :-)
(crossposted to 2 lists, sorry)
Salvete friends,

Mercurius Apollonius, who we could refer to as our unofficial Flemish
historian, has confirmed that the Temple is indeed only 216 years old and is
a neo-classical work. I guess I should have paid more attention in Art
History class (oops).
Anyway, it still doesn't take away from how nice it is. And if ever anyone
is in my side of the pond, I would love to bring you there for a picnic !

Valete,
Diana Moravia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9945 From: me-in-@disguise.co.uk Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Re: Temple of Minerva in Limburg Belgium
-----Original Message-----
From : Gregory Rose <gfr@...>
Date : 25 April 2003 07:39:05
>
>> Me: Honestly, I don't see the word 'built' in the Dutch sentence. My
>> translation would be 'As centerpiece there stands a round stone
>temple with
>> the Goddess Minerva'. But maybe it's my use of Dutch :-p So I am still
>
>religious belief. Pius VI kept statutes of Minerva and Apollo
>excavated from the Palatine in his private apartments.
>
I didn't find any 'built' either but the person to ask is Jachthondus since she /is/ Dutch.

Caesariensis.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9946 From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Minerva Temple
Diana Moravis;

In support of what has already been said about the 18th century
preoccupation with Rome, I know that many British Army Officers during
the 18th century took Roman names for thier personal correspondence to
other military officers. There are many examples of this, and they
wrote as correspondents inthe Roman style using latin, as most higher
education of that day required some latin training.

In England in the 18th and into the 19th century very elaborate "ruins"
were constructed in the "gardens" of many wealthy country homes. These
ruins carefully designed and constructed to reflect all the romanticism
possible from these structures.

I first got interested in Christain knight-priests when I first visited
the island of Malta, and went through the museums there, Very
impressive!! The Knights Templar and theTuetonic Knights were powerful
organizations. My thanks and appreciation for the websites, and the
information. Another area to read about, -- so much of interest and so
little time (Grin!!!!!!!).

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9947 From: Daniel O. Villanueva Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Re-schedule of Comitia Plebis tributa
Ex domo officio Tribunus Plebis Lucius Pompeius Octavianus omnibus civibus S.P.D.

Considering that the tax deadline ends on April 30th during the run-off election , and since as tribunus I must make sure that all the candidates fullfill with the law regarding the tax issue, I do hereby postpone the beginning of the election to May 3rd. The voting shall end as already scheduled by May 10th. Thus fullfilling the 8 days required by law.

Scribebam Bonariae a.d. VII Kal. Mai. MMDCCLVI (April 25th, 2003)


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9948 From: Declan Dillman Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Re: incorrect URL
Ah yes, My mistake!
the correct URL is http://legvi.tripod.com/loricas/id7.html

hope this helps!

they have better pictures than I do, and they have a good description.
It seems to be sized similarly to the deepeeka
lorica segmentatas, approx. a 44" chest, and a 34"-38" waist. It doesn't
fit me perfectly, but again, it's not custom made.
if you have other questions, Please contact me at :
marius_aquilus@....
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9949 From: M Arminius Maior Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Re: Minerva Temple
Salvete

--- jmath669642reng@... escreveu: [..]
> In England in the 18th and into the 19th century
> very elaborate "ruins"
> were constructed in the "gardens" of many wealthy
> country homes. These
> ruins carefully designed and constructed to reflect
> all the romanticism
> possible from these structures.
[..]

M.ARMINIUS: I suddenly remember of my visit to Germany
in 1998; i visited the "Sansouci" palace, in Potsdam,
built by king Frederick II the Great. Within the sight
of the palace, in a nearby hill, there was some
"ancient ruins", but fake ones, specially built by the
king to give him a beautiful sight...

> Respectfully;
> Marcus Minucius Audens

Vale
Marcus Arminius

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9950 From: me-in-@disguise.co.uk Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Re: Minerva Temple
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Date : 25 April 2003 21:55:44
>
>of the palace, in a nearby hill, there was some
>“ancient ruins“, but fake ones, specially built by the
>king to give him a beautiful sight...
>
I add to this an article in Stern entitled "Warum ist es am Rhein so Deutsch?" (Why is it on the Rhine so German?) revealing that a good half of the romantic ruins overlooking the lower Rhine valley were built that way by order of Kaiser Willhelm I.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9951 From: Titus Arminius Genialis Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: CEREALIA RESULTS AND AWARDS
Salvete omnes! All Cerealia results and special awards can already be found at http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/ludicerealia/results.html as well as great texts and references on the other parts of the website. Visit it and enjoy Cerealia forever.http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/ludicerealia Valete bene.

Titus Arminius Genialis.
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9952 From: jlasalle Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: A Taste of Ancient Times
http://msnbc.com/news/904246.asp



Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9953 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Re: A Taste of Ancient Times
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "jlasalle" <jlasalle@s...> wrote:
> http://msnbc.com/news/904246.asp
>
>
>
> Gaius Basilicatus Agricola

Salve Gai,

Thanks for finding the article on ancient Pompeian wine. I would sure
love to taste it and hopefully we'll find it in specialty wine stores
some day.

Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9954 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2003-04-25
Subject: Re: A Taste of Ancient Times
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus"
<mjk@d...> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "jlasalle" <jlasalle@s...> wrote:
> > http://msnbc.com/news/904246.asp
> >
> >
> >
> > Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
>
> Salve Gai,
>
> Thanks for finding the article on ancient Pompeian wine. I would
sure
> love to taste it and hopefully we'll find it in specialty wine
stores
> some day.
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus

It does sound much more appealing that figuring out how to make
garum, or the Roman recipe for what was basically tuna salad. Wonder
if it will be in both white and red varieties. I'd shell out some
money for a decent white wine, but for red not even a penny.
(Waiting for the cat calls of "barbarian" and "epicruian snob")

Q. Cassius Calvus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9955 From: Caius Minucius Scaevola Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: Re: A Taste of Ancient Times
On Sat, Apr 26, 2003 at 02:02:13AM -0000, quintuscassiuscalvus wrote:
>
> It does sound much more appealing that figuring out how to make
> garum, or the Roman recipe for what was basically tuna salad. Wonder
> if it will be in both white and red varieties. I'd shell out some
> money for a decent white wine, but for red not even a penny.
> (Waiting for the cat calls of "barbarian" and "epicruian snob")

Not from me, certainly; I'll be happy to take the red that you don't
want, and we can go in on a package deal. :)


Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Magna vis veritatis quae facile se per se ipsa defendat.
Great is the power of truth that can easily defend itself with its own force.
-- N/A
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9956 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: English and Latin Grammar
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Although William Harris' _An Intelligent Person's Guide to Latin_ is
now available only by mail order, Harris (Professor Emeritus of
Classics, Middlebury College) has an excellent essay on how English
and Latin grammars differ and how those differences matter in teaching
or studying Latin, "English Grammar as Prolegomena to Latin":

http://community.middlebury.edu/~harris/LatinGrammar.html

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9957 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: Re: A Taste of Ancient Times
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Valete, Quirites.

The Agenzia Giornalistica Italica has a story indicating that a
portion of the Pompeian wine will be auctioned on the internet:

http://www.agi.it/english/news.pl?doc=200304231640-0123-RT1-CRO-0-NF11&page=0&id=agionline-eng.oggitalia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9958 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: Re: A Taste of Ancient Times
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Valete, Quirites.

I hit the send button by accident. The complete posting should have been:

The Agenzia Giornalistica Italica has a story indicating that a
portion of the Pompeian wine will be auctioned on the internet:

http://www.agi.it/english/news.pl?doc=200304231640-0123-RT1-CRO-0-NF11&page=0&id\
=agionline-eng.oggitalia

I've emailed Finarte-Semenzato to find out when and where the online
auction will be and will post the response here.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9959 From: Lucius Porticus Brutus Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: quite puzzled about taxes.....
(I just now looked where I saved the auto-message and it is a receipt of
payment so actually my question here is... on a bank statement that has a
period from the early 20's of the month to the next early 20's of the
month [for example from 24 March to 22 April] would a check cashed on the
21st of April make the April statement??)


Actually now I'm quite puzzled about the ultimate fate of sending any
checks for anything to the NR post office box in Maine.....

Okay, the thing is that many moons ago I posted asking about the flags
and asking about the guy that makes them (forgot the full NR name but
remember the Cassius part) and I even sent him an offlist mail with the
check number and details so he could look and see whether he got it or
not....and then never heard again.

Then I sent another check to the same NR PO box listed on the flag page
and still nothing so I scanned the carbon copy of the new check and saved
the file in two formats to floppy and sent both files to him and got
nothing....

Now I've sent the check for my NR tax to the Maine PO box with my NR name
on the check and I think a small note... got the email saying that it's
both a reminder and (for those who already paid) a thank you for those
that paid.... I didn't think anything of it until I got my bank
statement today and it said that check no. 1050 didn't make the statement
so I looked it up and it was the check I wrote to cover my taxes!

I am maybe thinking now to withdraw citizenship if I can't even get my
taxes to the right place without the darned check vanishing into the
Twilight Zone instead of it going to some destination either there or
"returned to sender" or what.... Heck I might even be happy if some
corrupt postal worker or anyone tries to steal the check and tires to
cash it...at least I'd know where the check is... ;-(

Lucius Porticus Brutus

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Intelligence/Communications
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9960 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: LUDI CIRCENSES: upgrading
Salvete Omnes,

the Cereales Ludi by our wonderful Plebeian Aediles are just
accomplished and we have to update the results and the place-list.

As you know the last Ludi Circences have seen another white victory
and a second place. The heros are Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa and Marcus
Minucius Audens. So the little Albata of the last year is becoming
the most strong Factio of the year. Now Russata is far 10 points and
it seems there aren't proud red chariots able to stop the noble
Whites.
And where is the glorious Praesina? ... in the last place with two
bad tournament. Veneta keeps attenction from the Greens.

All the results are published at
http://aediles.novaroma.org/ludicircenses.htm

-------------------------------
AURIGAE PLACE-LIST '56
-------------------------------
1) Gn. Octavius Noricus, Impactus Infrenatus ..10 (-)
2) G. Vipsanius Agrippa, Imperator Invictus ...10 (N)
3) M. Octavius Germanicus, B.S.D. Liber ........6 (N)
4) T. Apollonius Cicatrix, Eversor .............6 (<)

-------------------------------
FACTIONES PLACE-LIST '56
-------------------------------
1) ALBATA ....33
2) RUSSATA ...23
3) VENETA ....14
4) PRAESINA ..14


The websites of each Factio have been updated!!!

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9961 From: Hedea Bianchia Dryantilla Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: money for college?
I realize this id off topic, but I have a question that maybe someone here
could help me with. I'm trying to find a way to get money for school, other
than the traditional grants and suchforth that the financial aid office at
my university submits us for. Does anyone know of any writing competitions
or other various ways of getting money that I could look into? I had
planned on being in school this summer, but all I have been offered is a
loan, and I would like to avoid those as much as possible.

Dryantilla
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9962 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: Re: quite puzzled about taxes.....
Salve Honorable Lucius Porticus Brutus!

I am very sorry to hear about your problems. I will cc this to my
Accensa Illustra Patricia Cassia, I think that she is the right
preson to solve these mysteries. Illustra Cassia is theVicaria
Capitis Officinae (Deputy Head) in my "Officina Aerarii" (Financial
office). I hope that You will hear from her soon and I also hope that
she soon will be able to report to me that this problem has been
solved.

>(I just now looked where I saved the auto-message and it is a receipt of
>payment so actually my question here is... on a bank statement that has a
>period from the early 20's of the month to the next early 20's of the
>month [for example from 24 March to 22 April] would a check cashed on the
>21st of April make the April statement??)
>
>
>Actually now I'm quite puzzled about the ultimate fate of sending any
>checks for anything to the NR post office box in Maine.....
>
>Okay, the thing is that many moons ago I posted asking about the flags
>and asking about the guy that makes them (forgot the full NR name but
>remember the Cassius part) and I even sent him an offlist mail with the
>check number and details so he could look and see whether he got it or
>not....and then never heard again.
>
>Then I sent another check to the same NR PO box listed on the flag page
>and still nothing so I scanned the carbon copy of the new check and saved
>the file in two formats to floppy and sent both files to him and got
>nothing....
>
>Now I've sent the check for my NR tax to the Maine PO box with my NR name
>on the check and I think a small note... got the email saying that it's
>both a reminder and (for those who already paid) a thank you for those
>that paid.... I didn't think anything of it until I got my bank
>statement today and it said that check no. 1050 didn't make the statement
>so I looked it up and it was the check I wrote to cover my taxes!
>
>I am maybe thinking now to withdraw citizenship if I can't even get my
>taxes to the right place without the darned check vanishing into the
>Twilight Zone instead of it going to some destination either there or
>"returned to sender" or what.... Heck I might even be happy if some
>corrupt postal worker or anyone tries to steal the check and tires to
>cash it...at least I'd know where the check is... ;-(
>
>Lucius Porticus Brutus
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Yelbrim Skrain Bodak
>Intelligence/Communications
>DCS Ravek / Marnak, 7th Order
>

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Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9963 From: me-in-@disguise.co.uk Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: Re: A Taste of Ancient Times
-----Original Message-----
From : Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@...>
Date : 26 April 2003 05:48:04
>
>Not from me, certainly; I'll be happy to take the red that you don't
>want, and we can go in on a package deal. :)
>
Never mind the red & white (or the Rosé). Do we know if the Romans had types of wine we no longer do? They probably could not have sparkling without Dom Perignon's reinforced corks and glass but Portugal produces a semi-sparkling it calls Vinho Verde and Brittany a smoky brew rather like China tea said to go excellently with sea creatures any fool should realise are best left alone when a hammer comes with the knife & fork under the generic of Muscadet. I wonder if there were other distinctive types not in present categories.

Caesariensis.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9964 From: L. Cornelius Sulla Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: Re: money for college?
Ave,

Email me off list and I can give you some information. I worked for a college for about 2 years doing financial aid assistance.

My email address is: alexious@...

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Hedea Bianchia Dryantilla
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 9:25 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] money for college?


I realize this id off topic, but I have a question that maybe someone here
could help me with. I'm trying to find a way to get money for school, other
than the traditional grants and suchforth that the financial aid office at
my university submits us for. Does anyone know of any writing competitions
or other various ways of getting money that I could look into? I had
planned on being in school this summer, but all I have been offered is a
loan, and I would like to avoid those as much as possible.

Dryantilla


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9965 From: Marcus Cassius Julianus Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: Re: quite puzzled about taxes.....
Salve,

Lucius Porticus Brutus, your tax payment has been recieved by the
Quaestors, and as near as I can find out, an email reciept should
have been issued to you already. That means your taxes have been paid
as far as Nova Roma is concerned. Your check has NOT been deposited
yet... deposits are made once a week rather than every time each
individual Citizen check arrives.

Please DO be advised that I personally have nothing whatever to do
with taxes. I don't even handle the envelopes, even though they're
coming to the same Nova Roma box.

As far as coins and flags, (which I do handle, and am solely
responsible for) I am *always* late in shipping. The website
says "six to eight weeks for delivery" for a reason. My work has been
involving long overtime hours for a few months now and getting things
to the post office during working hours is difficult. I just sent out
a bunch of orders this weekend, so if you had anything holding it
probably went out. (I do have a summer employee returning to work on
May 2nd, so things will be far better over the summer.)

While we're on the subject of coins and flags, I must say that it is
very difficult to give most folks proper notification of when items
have been, or will be shipped. Orders that come in have
people's "macronational names" and mailing addresses - no NR name or
email usually. If anyone subsequently sends an email or posts to the
list, using ONLY their NR name and email address, I have no way to
cross reference who's who.

I intend to write to the webmaster to ask that a sentence be included
in the ordering section: "Please include your email address, and your
Citizen name if you are a Citizen of Nova Roma."

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9966 From: Lewis C Jones Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: Re: money for college?
You could try www.fastweb.com it is as site dedicated to all types of
financial aid and helps you find it based on a profile that you fill out
online. Tthis includes loans, grants and scholarshops and some of them do
require writing essays etc..


Clovius Urellius Ursus


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together. We stand firm in the laws of the two cultures, keeping the
cultural and natural heritage strong. Our feet on sacred ground our hands
reach up to hold the new circle of life; The campfire, the waterhole, where
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-----Original Message-----
From: Hedea Bianchia Dryantilla [mailto:hedeabianchia@...]
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 11:25 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] money for college?


I realize this id off topic, but I have a question that maybe someone here
could help me with. I'm trying to find a way to get money for school,
other
than the traditional grants and suchforth that the financial aid office at
my university submits us for. Does anyone know of any writing competitions
or other various ways of getting money that I could look into? I had
planned on being in school this summer, but all I have been offered is a
loan, and I would like to avoid those as much as possible.

Dryantilla


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9967 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: TAX PAYMENT
SALVETE GENTLEMEN,

I sent in a US $ money order to Wells Maine special delivery about 12
days ago. Unfortunately I am on a remote location with internet but
cannot access my home computer at this time to see if any receipt was
sent. Would whovever looks after these matters please let me know if
payment was credited ok. My email address in the Barbarian Wilderness
is miguelkelly15@...

I got glitched up with paypal this month when I changed credit cards
with them and hopefully I can straighten things out upon my return.

Thanks!

Quintus Lanius Paulinus (4043)(Michael Kelly)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9968 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: Re: Event in Wisconsin and the Eagle
Salve Corvus Cassius Taurusis

Mea maxima culpa

I would like to publicly apologize to you for the lateness of the April Eagle.
For a number of reasons it is only now at the printers. As I said on April 4th
your notice of this weekends event in Wisconsin was placed , but now no one will see it until after the fact and for this I give you my sincere apologies.

I hope the event is a great successes.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum
Fortuna Favet Fortibus


----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...>
To: "Corvus Cassius Taurusis" <corvus_cassius_taurusis@...>
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: Event in Wisconsin


> Salve yes and done
>
> good luck on the event
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Curator Differum
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Corvus Cassius Taurusis" <corvus_cassius_taurusis@...>
> To: <spqr753@...>
> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 11:40 AM
> Subject: Event in Wisconsin
>
>
> > Can this be included in the Eagle?
> > Legio XIV of Wisconsin (a Nova Roma Legion) is sponcering their Second
> > Annual Wisconsin Roman Weekend in the city of Oconomowoc at the
> > Olympia Resort on April 26th and 27th. Every one is welcome to
> > attend!
> > Thanks,
> > Corvus Cassius Taurusis
> > Optio of Legio XIV
> >
> >
>



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9969 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2003-04-26
Subject: The Philodemus Project
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

I posted a link to a story in _Wired_ about the Philodemus project, a
group associated with the Classsics Dept. at UCLA, which is working on
separating and restoring the burnt papryus rolls from the Villa of the
Papyri at Herculaneum. The rolls appear to have been part of a
library of Epicurean texts, including works by Philodemus of Gadara.
Here is a link to a much more detailed report on the Philodemus
Project homepage:

http://www.humnet.ucla.edu/humnet/classics/Philodemus/philhome.htm

As well as detailed photographs of the paprus rolls and the process by
which they were separated and restored, the site has links to images
and transcriptions of three sections of Philodemus' _De Rhetorica_.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9970 From: G.Porticus Brutis Date: 2003-04-27
Subject: Re: quite puzzled about taxes.....
Lucius Porticus Brutus
I am glad to see you are doing well, all except for
this problem.
I am sure that they will do everything in there power
to fix this.
However Brother please give them time to sort out this
mess before letting go on a dream or giving up your
citizenship.
I to have ran in to walls before, not just here but
other places and I understand the feelings.
I have wrote a speech that I keep saved just to read
over it when I feel like quieting, it has keep me
thinking. I read it and wonder why I would let little
things step in the way of a future that I know shall
be achieved.
It is good to have something that will cause you to
reflect on, and recall a time you were down and out.
It makes you strive to stand and fight.

As I said I do understand and feel your frustion but I
implore you to keep your citizenship.
Your friend and Brother
Brutis


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9971 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-04-27
Subject: Problems with PayPal
Salvete Omnes,

I don't know to who I have to ask, please help me.
I have a problem with PayPal paying the nova roman taxes.
I have a virtual credit card and PayPal don't accept it. In fact A
virtual credit card is a on-line card able to generate a card number
for just one (or a little time period) payment.
When I subscribe the membership to PayPal, it don't accept the number
because "there isn't an active bank account".
Can someone help me?
Who can help me in Europe if there aren't solutions?
Thank you very much.

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9972 From: LuciusSalixCicero Date: 2003-04-27
Subject: Re: Problems with PayPal
Salve,
I would be willing to pay your tax using my Paypal account, you could pay me back at the Rally in Italy later this year. Please let me know and I will pay it for you.
Vale
L.Salix Cicero
----- Original Message -----
From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 11:05 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Problems with PayPal


Salvete Omnes,

I don't know to who I have to ask, please help me.
I have a problem with PayPal paying the nova roman taxes.
I have a virtual credit card and PayPal don't accept it. In fact A
virtual credit card is a on-line card able to generate a card number
for just one (or a little time period) payment.
When I subscribe the membership to PayPal, it don't accept the number
because "there isn't an active bank account".
Can someone help me?
Who can help me in Europe if there aren't solutions?
Thank you very much.

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9973 From: julilla Date: 2003-04-27
Subject: Re: quite puzzled about taxes.....
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Marcus Cassius Julianus"
<cassius622@a...> wrote:

<snipped>

> While we're on the subject of coins and flags, I must say that it
is very difficult to give most folks proper notification of when
items have been, or will be shipped. Orders that come in have
people's "macronational names" and mailing addresses - no NR name or
email usually. If anyone subsequently sends an email or posts to the
list, using ONLY their NR name and email address, I have no way to
cross reference who's who.
>
> I intend to write to the webmaster to ask that a sentence be
included in the ordering section: "Please include your email address,
and your Citizen name if you are a Citizen of Nova Roma."

I made those changes just now, and if the gracious Patricia can made
additions or changes to PayPal, that should do it!


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9974 From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-04-27
Subject: Re: The Aedile's Problems with PayPal
In a message dated 4/27/03 3:06:19 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
sacro_barese_impero@... writes:


> Can someone help me?
> Who can help me in Europe if there aren't solutions?
> Thank you very much.
>
> Valete
> Fr. Apulus Caesar
>
Salvete
I'll cover the the Aedile's tax if he wishes.
I have a link to my bank account on PAYPAL and can pay it instantly.
Fabius Maximus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9975 From: Gnaeus Octavius Noricus Date: 2003-04-27
Subject: Re: Problems with PayPal
On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 10:05:44 -0000, Franciscus Apulus Caesar wrote:
> Salvete Omnes,
>
>I don't know to who I have to ask, please help me.
>I have a problem with PayPal paying the nova roman taxes.

Salve!

I am no paypal expert, but I can help you if paypal doesn't work.

I have read two offers by citizens to pay for you. If you do not want
to have someone else paying for you, you can always send your taxes
in cash to me, and I will book them and forward them to the central
treasury.

Please let me know if that would be an acceptable solution for you.

--
Optime vale!

Gnaeus Octavius Noricus
Treasury Quaestor
cn.octavius.noricus@...
27.04.2003 22:34:17
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9976 From: Iulia Vopisca Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Flora and Her Festival (Floralia)
http://www.aztriad.com/flora.html Salvete Omnes .... The page linked above is in honor of Flora and Her beautiful festival in the days immediately upon us.


PACEM VENIAMQVE DEORVM TIBI EXOPTET IVLIA VOPISCA

http://www.aztriad.com/cybeleix.html

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9978 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Religion in Roman Carthage
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to an essay on "Religious Life in Roman Carthage, c. 180
CE":

http://www.ccsr.ca/csbs/Rives-Carthage.PDF

The essay is by Prof. James B. Rives (York Univ.), the author of
_Religion and Authority in Roman Carthage from Augustus to
Constantine_ (Oxford, 1995).

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9979 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Re: Problems with PayPal
Salvete Omnes,

Thank very much to Illustri Fabius Quintilianus, Fabius Maximus,
Salix Cicero and Octavius Noricus for the help, I appreciated it.
I have asked to my Legatus Internis Rebus in Provincia Italia too
and I think this way is the most easy and economical way for me.
BTW if he can't pay for me, I'll ask you help again.
Thank you again.

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Seniro Curule Aedile
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Octavius Noricus
<cn.octavius.noricus@g...> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 10:05:44 -0000, Franciscus Apulus Caesar wrote:
> > Salvete Omnes,
> >
> >I don't know to who I have to ask, please help me.
> >I have a problem with PayPal paying the nova roman taxes.
>
> Salve!
>
> I am no paypal expert, but I can help you if paypal doesn't work.
>
> I have read two offers by citizens to pay for you. If you do not
want
> to have someone else paying for you, you can always send your
taxes
> in cash to me, and I will book them and forward them to the
central
> treasury.
>
> Please let me know if that would be an acceptable solution for you.
>
> --
> Optime vale!
>
> Gnaeus Octavius Noricus
> Treasury Quaestor
> cn.octavius.noricus@g...
> 27.04.2003 22:34:17
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9980 From: aerdensrw Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Suicide by Assassination?
Did anyone else see the fascinating show on the Discovery Channel
last night, called 'Who Killed Julius Caesar?'

I really enjoyed it, and the investigator's theory shows Caesar's
assassination from an entirely new and intriguing angle.

My husband thinks Caesar would naver have allowed himself to be
killed, because he was planning a sizable campaign to Parthia at the
time of his murder. I think it's hard to know for sure, because of
some of the sources quoted. Suetonius, I think, doesn't have the
most sterling of reputations when it comes to historical accuracy.

Still, I enjoyed this program quite a lot.

Renata Corva
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9981 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Re: Suicide by Assassination?
Salve Renata,

I'll try and catch that program again. Unfortunately there was not
much notice given about it.

Without trying to shoot myself in the foot by not seeing this
program, I find there are many articles on lately that are trying to
shed more light and interest in historical occurrances with
conspiracy type theories. The last one I saw on Rome was last fall
about the fire of Rome. One German professor was trying to illustrate
that Christians may well have had a part in starting the fire. That,
a suicidal Caesar etc. are in my opinion shear speculation. Without
actually building a time machine, sending back forensic experts,
Latin speaking classic scholars, psychologists and fire investigators
to ancient Rome such ideas will always be in thr realm of speculation
only. On the other hand these programs do often rekindle interest and
debate, even among the lay people which is good for us.

Respectfully,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "aerdensrw" <aerdensrw@y...> wrote:
> Did anyone else see the fascinating show on the Discovery Channel
> last night, called 'Who Killed Julius Caesar?'
>
> I really enjoyed it, and the investigator's theory shows Caesar's
> assassination from an entirely new and intriguing angle.
>
> My husband thinks Caesar would naver have allowed himself to be
> killed, because he was planning a sizable campaign to Parthia at
the
> time of his murder. I think it's hard to know for sure, because of
> some of the sources quoted. Suetonius, I think, doesn't have the
> most sterling of reputations when it comes to historical accuracy.
>
> Still, I enjoyed this program quite a lot.
>
> Renata Corva
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9982 From: Liz Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Dentistry in Ancient Rome
Salve,
I have a friends who is studying to be a dental hygenist. She would
like to write a paper on historic dentinstry and would like to know if
anyone in Nova Roma can help steer her in the right direction. Any
help would be highly appreciately.
Thanks,
Prima Libera Livia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9983 From: Gnaeus Octavius Noricus Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Re: Dentistry in Ancient Rome
On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:41:48 -0000, Liz wrote:
> Salve,
>I have a friends who is studying to be a dental hygenist. She would
>like to write a paper on historic dentinstry and would like to know
>if
>anyone in Nova Roma can help steer her in the right direction. Any
>help would be highly appreciately.
>Thanks,
>Prima Libera Livia

The following book might be useful:
"History of Dentistry" by Vincenzo Guerini
Publisher: Aperture; (June 1977), seems to be out of print
ASIN (Amazon.com Standard Item Number): 0893411418

It's mentioned in "Ancient Inventions" (P. James & N. Thorpe) on the
subject of Etruscan dentures.

--
Optime vale!

Gnaeus Octavius Noricus
cn.octavius.noricus@...
28.04.2003 16:19:36
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9984 From: L. Cornelius Sulla Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Re: Dentistry in Ancient Rome
Avete Omnes,

Please feel free to look at some of these web pages:

http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/medicine/

http://www.freehomepages.com/maddie/Babylon.html (A bit early but it might help)

http://www.dental-site.itgo.com/grecoroman.htm

http://www.athenapub.com/excavhst.htm

Hope this helps,

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix


----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Octavius Noricus
To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 7:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Dentistry in Ancient Rome


On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:41:48 -0000, Liz wrote:
> Salve,
>I have a friends who is studying to be a dental hygenist. She would
>like to write a paper on historic dentinstry and would like to know
>if
>anyone in Nova Roma can help steer her in the right direction. Any
>help would be highly appreciately.
>Thanks,
>Prima Libera Livia

The following book might be useful:
"History of Dentistry" by Vincenzo Guerini
Publisher: Aperture; (June 1977), seems to be out of print
ASIN (Amazon.com Standard Item Number): 0893411418

It's mentioned in "Ancient Inventions" (P. James & N. Thorpe) on the
subject of Etruscan dentures.

--
Optime vale!

Gnaeus Octavius Noricus
cn.octavius.noricus@...
28.04.2003 16:19:36




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9985 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Re: Dentistry in Ancient Rome
I dislike going to the dentist nowadays. What must it have been
like 2000 years ago?

"Well you have a bad cavity...just let me get in there with this
gladius"

Valete,
Gaius Popillius laenas




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Cornelius Sulla"
<alexious@e...> wrote:
> Avete Omnes,
>
> Please feel free to look at some of these web pages:
>
> http://ancienthistory.about.com/cs/medicine/
>
> http://www.freehomepages.com/maddie/Babylon.html (A bit early but
it might help)
>
> http://www.dental-site.itgo.com/grecoroman.htm
>
> http://www.athenapub.com/excavhst.htm
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gnaeus Octavius Noricus
> To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 7:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Dentistry in Ancient Rome
>
>
> On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:41:48 -0000, Liz wrote:
> > Salve,
> >I have a friends who is studying to be a dental hygenist. She
would
> >like to write a paper on historic dentinstry and would like to
know
> >if
> >anyone in Nova Roma can help steer her in the right direction.
Any
> >help would be highly appreciately.
> >Thanks,
> >Prima Libera Livia
>
> The following book might be useful:
> "History of Dentistry" by Vincenzo Guerini
> Publisher: Aperture; (June 1977), seems to be out of print
> ASIN (Amazon.com Standard Item Number): 0893411418
>
> It's mentioned in "Ancient Inventions" (P. James & N. Thorpe) on
the
> subject of Etruscan dentures.
>
> --
> Optime vale!
>
> Gnaeus Octavius Noricus
> cn.octavius.noricus@g...
> 28.04.2003 16:19:36
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9986 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Re: Gynaecology in Ancient Rome?
Salve Gaius Popillius Laenas,

< I dislike going to the dentist nowadays. What must it have been
< like 2000 years ago?
<"Well you have a bad cavity...just let me get in there with this
< gladius"

If you think the dentist is bad, the gynaecologist is much worse! I don't
even want to think about 2000 years ago :-p

Vale,
Diana Moravia




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9987 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Re: Dentistry in Ancient Rome
OOOOOOOUUUUUUUUCCCCCCHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

Sextus Cornelius Cotta

AIM: WyrdCharlie
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9988 From: pjane Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Roman Days 2003: Rooms reserved for Nova Romans
Greetings!

As those of you who've been around a while know, the fine folks at
Legio XX put on an annual "Roman Days" event in Maryland, and over
the years it's become a good place to meet your fellow Nova Romans as
well.

This year it's June 7 and 8 at the same location, the Marietta
Mansion in Glenn Dale, Md., not too far from Washington, D.C. Events
include military demonstrations, vendors, Roman cooking
demonstrations, a Roman fashion show, and children's activities. Full
details on the event are here: http://www.larp.com/legioxx/rdays.html

Cassius and I are attending as usual, and I've reserved a small block
of rooms for Nova Romans (and their friends!) at the nearby Days Inn
in Lanham, Md. They've promised us a maximum rate of $71.10 per night
(some nights may be less, depending on the kind of room you choose).

If you'd like to take advantage of this, call 1-800-325-2525 and
reserve the room using this confirmation number: 50428395.

Hope to see you there!

Patricia Cassia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9989 From: L. Cornelius Sulla Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: CNN Article
Ave,

Please browse to the end of the article about the section on Rome.

You can go here to view the entire article:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/SHOWBIZ/TV/04/28/apontv.pbsgetsreal.ap/index.html

Vale,

Sulla

PBS pursues reality with 'Manor House'
Network also trying 'Warrior Challenge'
Monday, April 28, 2003 Posted: 11:35 AM EDT (1535 GMT)



The family of "Manor House": the wealthy Olliff-Coopers and their many servants.

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NEW YORK (AP) -- No Monica Lewinsky or pig rectums!

That's a good first step in explaining how "reality" shows on public television differ from commercial network fare like "Mr. Personality" and "Fear Factor."

But PBS' newest offerings -- "Manor House" and "Warrior Challenge" -- have much more to recommend them than an absence of micro-celebs and yucky menu items.

Even before it was called PBS, public television claimed the high end of unscripted television with series like "An American Family," which brought the world the Loud clan 30 years ago.

The stage was set for "Manor House" much more recently with the success of "1900 House" and "Frontier House," which won the ultimate validation: They were spoofed on "The Simpsons" in an episode where Homer and his family, forced out of their own home by termite infestation, signed on for "The 1895 House" just to have somewhere to live.

"Manor House" resides in a fully restored, 109-room Scottish mansion, where circa 1905 Edwardian life is re-created by volunteers.

These 19 British participants were cast in the various hierarchical roles of such a hoity-toity household. John and Anna Olliff-Cooper (the "Lord" and "Lady" who in real life are a businessman and a doctor) live the lush life. But things aren't so rosy for the servants, particularly 18-year-old Lucy Garside, the scullery maid (in real life a waitress) who bewails her workload and lowly status.

While hewing to rigorous rules and social customs of that bygone day, "Manor House" participants must also overcome their 21st-century sensibilities. (Just one bath a week for the servant staff?! Ewwwww!)

A 'personal connection,' a 'history lesson'
"Manor House," like its predecessors, animates history with a real-life demonstration that is further energized by its participants' responses to their trip into the past. The six-episode series premieres this week beginning Monday night on most PBS stations (check local listings for day and time).


The butler gives a straight-razor shave to the man of the house.
"We are trying to look at a time and place by putting people in that environment to learn about it," explains Beth Hoppe, the series' executive producer. "Then we get a modern drama by looking at how the people cope with it.

"You get a personal connection, while at the same you're getting a terrific sort of history lesson," adds John Wilson, PBS' senior vice president of programming.

Another chapter of what PBS calls "hands-on history" will dwell in this summer's production of "Colonial House." Some two dozen volunteers travel back to 1628 for a series that will air next season.

For something a little more sporting (think "Fear Factor" with scholarship), "Warrior Challenge" dares policemen, soldiers and athletes to see if they can measure up to their counterparts from 2,000 years ago.

Can today's champions fill the sandals or sabatons of long-ago centurions, knights, Vikings and gladiators? This four-part series begins Tuesday, May 6, at 9 p.m. (check local listings).

2,000-year-old training
Not only a lot of fun but also historically accurate, "Warrior Challenge," like "Manor House," keeps its emphasis squarely on the era, not the stunt. And with wealth and fame neither promised nor implied, these shows are populated by people who are simply curious, Hoppe says. "They are interested in exploring a certain time period, not in being on television."

The first "Warrior Challenge" welcomes eight Americans and Brits to a Roman barrack along Hadrian's Wall, which, built in the second century, stretches coast to coast across Britain to defend the Roman Empire's northern boundary.

[The people on PBS' reality shows] are interested in exploring a certain time period, not in being on television.
-- Producer Beth Hoppe


In a setting that seems unchanged since a Caesar's rule, we watch as fresh recruits are assigned their armor and weapons, along with their garb, which includes diaperlike Roman underwear.

They train in ancient warfare. They march with their 60-pound kits. They cook their meals (one specialty: fatback and lentils).

At last, they compete in several events, including who can confiscate more contraband items from "native smugglers." (A Roman soldier's main job along Hadrian's Wall was playing customs official.) A more exciting contest: storming past the other team to raid the gatehouse.

The winners? All of the recruits, who, after their crash course, can gratefully leave ancient warfare to the ancients.

"We've gained a lot more respect for what they had to go through," say Sean Guillory, an engineer in the U.S. Air Force.

Without having to wear that funky underwear, so will viewers.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9990 From: Fortunatus Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Feriae Latinae
T Labienus Fortunatus Consul Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit

As decided by the Senate in Ianuarius, today is the celebration of the
Feriae Latinae. In antiquity, the consules would sacrifice an ox to
Iuppiter Latiaris on the Alban mount on the chosen day. According to
legend, the festival was instituted by Tarquinius Superbus to celebrate
the alliance he forged between Rome and the Latin league. However,
there is evidence that he simply altered a much older Latin festival.
It also marked the beginning of the military season, as the consules
were not allowed to take the field until they held the Feriae Latinae.

To mark the occasion, I have offered incense, wine, and spelt cakes to
Iuppiter Latiaris for the health and welfare of the Res Publica and the
Senate of Nova Roma. Capite velato, I invited the God to attend the
rite with the words:

"Deus Iuppiter Latiaris, as it is proper to offer to you on the
celebration of the Feriae Latinae for the health of the Res Publica and
the Senate, for this I offer a sacrifice of incense, wine, and spelt
cakes to you. I pray to you so that you may be willingly propitious to
the health of the Res Publica and Senate, and so that you may accept
this sacrifice of incense and wine."

Receiving no ill omens, I washed my hands and offered first
frankincense, then good red wine, then three spelt cakes with the words:

"Deus Iuppiter Latiaris, for the health of the Res Publica and Senate
shall you be honored with incense. Make yourself willingly propitious
to the health of the Res Publica and Senate."

"Deus Iuppiter Latiaris, for the same reason shall you be honored with
this wine. Make yourself willingly propitious to the health of the Res
Publica and Senate."

"Deus Iuppiter Latiaris, for the same reason shall you be honored with
these spelt cakes. Make yourself willingly propitious to the health of
the Res Publica and Senate."

Then, I kissed my right hand as a sign of reverence and declared the
ritual to be finished.

My toga cooperated for once. I took this as a good sign since it's a
truly rare occurrence. I made no mistakes during the rite, and I
observed no ill omens. The next two days are dies religiosi, or days on
which public business other than religious festivals should be suspended
if at all possible.

Valete
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9991 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Forma Urbis Romae
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to the "Stanford Digital Forma Urbis Romae Project":

http://formaurbis.stanford.edu/

This site describes application of digitizing the shape of
three-dimensional objects using laser scanners to the 1,163 fragments
of the third-century C.E. Forma Urbis Romae, a map of the city of Rome
carved into marble slabs. The site is extensive and includes a sample
database of twenty-eight of the fragments.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9992 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-04-28
Subject: Re: Suicide by Assassination?
Salve

As a teacher of history I know that new evidence can change how we view
even the best known events like Caesar's assassination. buthaving said that I can not wait for the next pseudo- history television show

I can see it now.

Tune in tonight on HISTORY TV .. where fact and fiction meet

Tonight's Stories

The Lindbergh Kidnapping :

Proof positive the Lindbergh baby organized his own kidnapping!!!!!!

Hitler alive, well ( at 114) and living in Hoboken, NJ.!!!!!!!

Hillary Clinton .... IS Anastasia !!!!!

Columbus was wrong the earth is FLAT!!!!!!

Just some food for thought

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen
Fortuna Favet Fortibus



----- Original Message -----
From: "Quintus Lanius Paulinus" <mjk@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, April 28, 2003 9:10 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Suicide by Assassination?


> Salve Renata,
>
> I'll try and catch that program again. Unfortunately there was not
> much notice given about it.
>
> Without trying to shoot myself in the foot by not seeing this
> program, I find there are many articles on lately that are trying to
> shed more light and interest in historical occurrances with
> conspiracy type theories. The last one I saw on Rome was last fall
> about the fire of Rome. One German professor was trying to illustrate
> that Christians may well have had a part in starting the fire. That,
> a suicidal Caesar etc. are in my opinion shear speculation. Without
> actually building a time machine, sending back forensic experts,
> Latin speaking classic scholars, psychologists and fire investigators
> to ancient Rome such ideas will always be in thr realm of speculation
> only. On the other hand these programs do often rekindle interest and
> debate, even among the lay people which is good for us.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "aerdensrw" <aerdensrw@y...> wrote:
> > Did anyone else see the fascinating show on the Discovery Channel
> > last night, called 'Who Killed Julius Caesar?'
> >
> > I really enjoyed it, and the investigator's theory shows Caesar's
> > assassination from an entirely new and intriguing angle.
> >
> > My husband thinks Caesar would naver have allowed himself to be
> > killed, because he was planning a sizable campaign to Parthia at
> the
> > time of his murder. I think it's hard to know for sure, because of
> > some of the sources quoted. Suetonius, I think, doesn't have the
> > most sterling of reputations when it comes to historical accuracy.
> >
> > Still, I enjoyed this program quite a lot.
> >
> > Renata Corva
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9993 From: Caius Minucius Scaevola Date: 2003-04-29
Subject: Re: Suicide by Assassination?
Salve,

On Mon, Apr 28, 2003 at 11:19:21PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> Salve
>
> As a teacher of history I know that new evidence can change how we view
> even the best known events like Caesar's assassination. buthaving said
> that I can not wait for the next pseudo- history television show
>
> I can see it now.
>
> Tune in tonight on HISTORY TV .. where fact and fiction meet
>
> Tonight's Stories
>
> The Lindbergh Kidnapping :
>
> Proof positive the Lindbergh baby organized his own kidnapping!!!!!!
>
> Hitler alive, well ( at 114) and living in Hoboken, NJ.!!!!!!!

Don't laugh! It would explain *a lot* of things about Hoboken. :)


Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Claris maiorum exemplis.
After the forefathers' brilliant example.
-- Part of the inscription on the House of Nobility, Riddarhuset, in Stockholm.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9994 From: Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix Date: 2003-04-29
Subject: a question about numismatics
Salvete!

I have a very specific question. For a small
assignment at university, we have to write 5 pages on
the coins produced by an emperor. I have chosen
Elagabalus. We have to cover various aspects, among
which:
- are there any stamp studies available and what is
their importance?
- what kinds of metal were used and how pure are the
coins?
- are there any statistic studies done on these coins?

The answers should of course only deal with the coins
from Elagabalus.

The answers to these question should be in the book
"Money and Government in the Roman Empire" by R.
Duncan-Jones (Cambridge, 1994).

Unfortunately, this book seems to have disappeared
from our department library. Does anyone have acces to
this book? And would that person be so kind to give me
this much needed information?

The assignment has to be finished tomorrow, because I
have to hand it in on Thursday.

Thanks in advance

=====
Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9995 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus Date: 2003-04-29
Subject: SUICIDE BY ASSASSINATION
Salvete omnes,

I got permission to post this excellent article from Mary in the
Imperial Rome discussion group. It really is informative, well
thought out and written!

Regards

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

From: "Mary Harrsch" <mharrsch@u...>
Date: Mon Apr 28, 2003 7:16 pm
Subject: Who Killed Julius Caesar


Well, I got back from Portland (OR) in time to watch the "Who Killed
Julius Caesar?" program on the Discovery Channel last night. I found
it interesting that the investigator used reenactments to determine
how many actual conspirators stabbed Caesar. From the reenactments
he determined that no more than 5 to 10 people could have had close
enough access to Caesar during the killing frenzy. In fact he
estimates the number closer to 5 since 10 people stabbing wildly with
daggers would have probably inflicted more wounds. He expressed his
opinion that the rest of the conspirators were probably engaged in
keeping the other senators back--in other words, crowd control.

Although Cassius' motives were clearly explained, the investigator
went on to study Caesar's own behavior and eventually concluded that
the conspirators simply played into Caesar's own hands as his
instruments to end his life in such a way as to ensure his designated
successor and "immortalize" Caesar for all posterity. His "contrived
suicide" theory was based on several incidents and observations. The
most convincing evidence, from his perspective, was a public
indescretion in which Caesar refused to rise for a group of senators
that approached him with a proclamation deifying him. He referred to
a passage by Suetonius but also mentioned a passage in Plutarch in
which Caesar was described as having a "fit" then, tearing his toga
open, demanding that the Senators kill him now and that he would not
resist. He also pointed out that Dio said Caesar's supporters had
claimed he had loose bowels and was afraid of disgracing himself if
he tried to stand. He said this indicated how ill Caesar really was.

This all appears to be a little convoluted. I found the passage in
Suetonius about the refusal to rise for an honor (not described as
deification): "But it was the following action in particular that
roused deadly hatred against him. When the Senate approached him in a
body with many highly honorary decrees, he received them before the
temple of Venus Genetrix without rising. Some think that when he
attempted to get up, he was held back by Cornelius Balbus; others,
that he made no such move at all, but on the contrary frowned angrily
on Gaius Trebatius when he suggested that he should rise." -
Suetonius, De Vita Caesarum, Divus Iulius, Book LXXVII

I also found a passage in Plutarch about Caesar telling a group of
Senators to go ahead and kill him but it was following the Lupercalia
incident with Antony and the diadem: "...twining a garland of bay
round a diadem, he ran up to the Rostra, and, being lifted up by his
companions, would have put it upon the head of Caesar, as if by that
ceremony he were declared king. Caesar seemingly refused, and drew
aside to avoid it, and was applauded by the people with great shouts.
Again Antony pressed it, and again he declined its acceptance. And so
the dispute between them went on for some time, Antony`s
solicitations receiving but little encouragement from the shouts of a
few friends, and Caesar`s refusal being accompanied with the general
applause of the people; a curious thing enough, that they should
submit with patience to the fact, and yet at the same time dread the
name as the destruction of their liberty. Caesar, very much
discomposed at what had past, got up from his seat, and, laying bare
his neck, said, he was ready to receive the stroke, if any one of
them desired to give it."

The I found the diarrhea passage in Dio: "when once they had voted to
him on a single day an unusually large number of these honours of
especial importance,— which had been granted unanimously by all
except Cassius and a few others, who became famous for this action,
yet suffered no harm, whereby Caesar's clemency was conspicuously
revealed,— they then approached him as he was sitting in the
vestibule of the temple of Venus in order to announce to him in a
body their decisions; for they transacted such business in his
absence, in order to have the appearance of doing it, not under
compulsion, but voluntarily. And either by some heaven-sent fatuity
or even through excess of joy he received them sitting, which aroused
so great indignation among them all, not only the senators but all
the rest, that it afforded his slayers one of their chief excuses for
their plot against him. Some who subsequently tried to defend him
claimed, it is true, that owing to an attack of diarrhoea he could
not control the movement of his bowels and so had remained where he
was in order to avoid a flux. They were not able, however, to
convince the majority, since not long afterwards he rose up and went
home on foot; hence most men suspected him of being inflated with
pride and hated him for his haughtiness, when it was they themselves
who had made him disdainful by the exaggerated character of their
honours."

The investigator also said Caesar appeared to provoke the
conspirators by other actions such as wearing purple--the historical
dress of kings.

However, Cassius Dio says: "First, then, they voted that he should
always ride, even in the city itself, wearing the triumphal dress,
and should sit in his chair of state everywhere except at the
games;" Dio goes on, "As he seemed to like all this, a gilded chair
was granted him, and a garb that the kings had once used." Dio
continues, "When he showed himself pleased with these honours also,
they accordingly voted that his golden chair and his crown set with
precious gems and overlaid with gold should be carried into the
theatres in the same manner as those of the gods, and that on the
occasion of the games in the Circus his chariot should be brought in.
And finally they addressed him outright as Jupiter Julius and ordered
a temple to be consecrated to him and to his Clemency, electing
Antony as their priest like some flamen Dialis."

So, Caesar's wearing apparel seemed to be dictated by the Senate, not
necessarily by Caesar's own whim.

The investigator also consulted a forensic psychologist who suggested
that Caesar's behavior indicated he may have suffered from temporal
epilepsy. He said Caesar's voracious sexual appetite, voluminous
writings, and increasing airs of superiority would be consistent with
a person suffering from this condition. He explained that temporal
epilepsy only grows worse over time and Caesar may have feared he
would eventually lose physical control and his precious dignitas if
his condition continued to worsen.

The investigator also pointed out that Caesar's autopsy revealed that
he clutched the very note warning him of the assassination. The
investigator could not believe that he did not read it despite what
the ancient sources said.

The thing that confuses me, though, is if Caesar intended to be
killed, why did he hesitate after learning of all the bad omens and
thinking about his and Calpurnia's warning dreams? Even Dio says he
had to be persuaded to go to the senate house by Decimus Brutus:

"He was warned of the plot in advance by soothsayers, and was warned
also by dreams. For the night before he was slain his wife dreamed
that their house had fallen in ruins and that her husband had been
wounded by some men and had taken refuge in her bosom; and Caesar
dreamed he was raised aloft upon the clouds and grasped the hand of
Jupiter. Moreover, omens not a few and not without significance came
to him: the arms of Mars, at that time deposited in his house,
according to ancient custom, by virtue of his position as high
priest, made a great noise at night, and the doors of the chamber
where he slept opened of their own accord. Moreover, the sacrifices
which he offered because of these occurrences were not at all
favourable, and the birds he used in divination forbade him to leave
the house. Indeed, to some the incident of his golden chair seemed
ominous, at least after his murder; for the attendant, when Caesar
delayed his coming, had carried it out of the senate, thinking that
there now would be no need of it. "
"Caesar, accordingly, was so long in coming that the conspirators
feared there might be a postponement--indeed, a rumour got abroad
that he would remain at home that day--and that their plot would thus
fall through and they themselves would be detected. Therefore they
sent Decimus Brutus, as one supposed to be his devoted friend, to
secure his attendance."

Maybe embracing this relatively modern suicide theory made the
program more sensational to increase the viewership.

- Libitina


Mary Harrsch
Network & Information Systems Manager
College of Education
University of Oregon
Eugene, OR 97403
(541) 346-3554
http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~mharrsch
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9996 From: L. Cornelius Sulla Date: 2003-04-29
Subject: Re: SUICIDE BY ASSASSINATION
Avete Omnes,

Responded to this post on the same list. Here are my comments about the special.

Ave

I saw the special too. I did not like it. I felt they played on the barest of threads to get their point across about the "suicide by assassination theory."

Its interesting that they played up Caesar's illnesses, he was 56 years old.

I do not know which illness he truly had (Eplipsy, the falling sickness, dysentry, or hypoglacima or something else.) but living to be 56 years old and being as active as he was probably did take a toll out of him. However, here was a man who led his soldiers for a 10 year war of conquest, another 5 years of civil war, constant travelling and now had to essentially try to restore the Republic. Which task is more daunting? Probably trying to restore the Republic while catering to the various factions of Rome!

There are two other things I really want to note. First, was that Caesar was not ill enough to plan another organized military endeavor to conquer Parthia and to restore the eagles taken from Crassus's defeat at the battle of Caharre (sp.) If I recall my Seutonius (or was it Plutarch) he was expected to leave for the expedition two days after the Ides. He had already voted in future magistrates to govern Rome while he was gone, and he was expected to be gone for a number of years. If the man was that ill, I do not think he would have gone through the trouble of mounting what was bound to be the most difficult campaign he would ever encounter.

Now, my second point, I do not buy the health factor for another reason. Lets explore the one other person who we could compare to Caesar...that person would be my namesake, Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix. When Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix came back and became dictator of Rome, he was in ill health too. According to Plutarch, iirc, he looked a fright. He probably was riddled with diabetes and being an albino his past exposure to the sun reaked terrible havoc for him. Yet, he stayed on and did his duty to rebuild and stablize Rome from the Civil Wars. He did his duty and left, despite the pain and afflication he was under. With that in mind, does anyone even remotely feel that Gaius Iulius Caesar would have put his pain and suffering ahead of Rome? That is in essence what this broadcast is saying..that when Rome needed a strong guiding hand to help rebuild her...he was not there. That does not sound like the Political Genius of Gaius Iulius Caesar. Gaius Iulius Caesar, IMHO, would have done exactly what Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix did, rebuild Rome, set Rome on a proper standing and even if he would not leave quietly, as Sulla did, he would not have left by allowing himself to escape by killing himself via assassination.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 9:20 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] SUICIDE BY ASSASSINATION


Salvete omnes,

I got permission to post this excellent article from Mary in the
Imperial Rome discussion group. It really is informative, well
thought out and written!

Regards

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

From: "Mary Harrsch" <mharrsch@u...>
Date: Mon Apr 28, 2003 7:16 pm
Subject: Who Killed Julius Caesar


Well, I got back from Portland (OR) in time to watch the "Who Killed
Julius Caesar?" program on the Discovery Channel last night. I found
it interesting that the investigator used reenactments to determine
how many actual conspirators stabbed Caesar. From the reenactments
he determined that no more than 5 to 10 people could have had close
enough access to Caesar during the killing frenzy. In fact he
estimates the number closer to 5 since 10 people stabbing wildly with
daggers would have probably inflicted more wounds. He expressed his
opinion that the rest of the conspirators were probably engaged in
keeping the other senators back--in other words, crowd control.

Although Cassius' motives were clearly explained, the investigator
went on to study Caesar's own behavior and eventually concluded that
the conspirators simply played into Caesar's own hands as his
instruments to end his life in such a way as to ensure his designated
successor and "immortalize" Caesar for all posterity. His "contrived
suicide" theory was based on several incidents and observations. The
most convincing evidence, from his perspective, was a public
indescretion in which Caesar refused to rise for a group of senators
that approached him with a proclamation deifying him. He referred to
a passage by Suetonius but also mentioned a passage in Plutarch in
which Caesar was described as having a "fit" then, tearing his toga
open, demanding that the Senators kill him now and that he would not
resist. He also pointed out that Dio said Caesar's supporters had
claimed he had loose bowels and was afraid of disgracing himself if
he tried to stand. He said this indicated how ill Caesar really was.

This all appears to be a little convoluted. I found the passage in
Suetonius about the refusal to rise for an honor (not described as
deification): "But it was the following action in particular that
roused deadly hatred against him. When the Senate approached him in a
body with many highly honorary decrees, he received them before the
temple of Venus Genetrix without rising. Some think that when he
attempted to get up, he was held back by Cornelius Balbus; others,
that he made no such move at all, but on the contrary frowned angrily
on Gaius Trebatius when he suggested that he should rise." -
Suetonius, De Vita Caesarum, Divus Iulius, Book LXXVII

I also found a passage in Plutarch about Caesar telling a group of
Senators to go ahead and kill him but it was following the Lupercalia
incident with Antony and the diadem: "...twining a garland of bay
round a diadem, he ran up to the Rostra, and, being lifted up by his
companions, would have put it upon the head of Caesar, as if by that
ceremony he were declared king. Caesar seemingly refused, and drew
aside to avoid it, and was applauded by the people with great shouts.
Again Antony pressed it, and again he declined its acceptance. And so
the dispute between them went on for some time, Antony`s
solicitations receiving but little encouragement from the shouts of a
few friends, and Caesar`s refusal being accompanied with the general
applause of the people; a curious thing enough, that they should
submit with patience to the fact, and yet at the same time dread the
name as the destruction of their liberty. Caesar, very much
discomposed at what had past, got up from his seat, and, laying bare
his neck, said, he was ready to receive the stroke, if any one of
them desired to give it."

The I found the diarrhea passage in Dio: "when once they had voted to
him on a single day an unusually large number of these honours of
especial importance,- which had been granted unanimously by all
except Cassius and a few others, who became famous for this action,
yet suffered no harm, whereby Caesar's clemency was conspicuously
revealed,- they then approached him as he was sitting in the
vestibule of the temple of Venus in order to announce to him in a
body their decisions; for they transacted such business in his
absence, in order to have the appearance of doing it, not under
compulsion, but voluntarily. And either by some heaven-sent fatuity
or even through excess of joy he received them sitting, which aroused
so great indignation among them all, not only the senators but all
the rest, that it afforded his slayers one of their chief excuses for
their plot against him. Some who subsequently tried to defend him
claimed, it is true, that owing to an attack of diarrhoea he could
not control the movement of his bowels and so had remained where he
was in order to avoid a flux. They were not able, however, to
convince the majority, since not long afterwards he rose up and went
home on foot; hence most men suspected him of being inflated with
pride and hated him for his haughtiness, when it was they themselves
who had made him disdainful by the exaggerated character of their
honours."

The investigator also said Caesar appeared to provoke the
conspirators by other actions such as wearing purple--the historical
dress of kings.

However, Cassius Dio says: "First, then, they voted that he should
always ride, even in the city itself, wearing the triumphal dress,
and should sit in his chair of state everywhere except at the
games;" Dio goes on, "As he seemed to like all this, a gilded chair
was granted him, and a garb that the kings had once used." Dio
continues, "When he showed himself pleased with these honours also,
they accordingly voted that his golden chair and his crown set with
precious gems and overlaid with gold should be carried into the
theatres in the same manner as those of the gods, and that on the
occasion of the games in the Circus his chariot should be brought in.
And finally they addressed him outright as Jupiter Julius and ordered
a temple to be consecrated to him and to his Clemency, electing
Antony as their priest like some flamen Dialis."

So, Caesar's wearing apparel seemed to be dictated by the Senate, not
necessarily by Caesar's own whim.

The investigator also consulted a forensic psychologist who suggested
that Caesar's behavior indicated he may have suffered from temporal
epilepsy. He said Caesar's voracious sexual appetite, voluminous
writings, and increasing airs of superiority would be consistent with
a person suffering from this condition. He explained that temporal
epilepsy only grows worse over time and Caesar may have feared he
would eventually lose physical control and his precious dignitas if
his condition continued to worsen.

The investigator also pointed out that Caesar's autopsy revealed that
he clutched the very note warning him of the assassination. The
investigator could not believe that he did not read it despite what
the ancient sources said.

The thing that confuses me, though, is if Caesar intended to be
killed, why did he hesitate after learning of all the bad omens and
thinking about his and Calpurnia's warning dreams? Even Dio says he
had to be persuaded to go to the senate house by Decimus Brutus:

"He was warned of the plot in advance by soothsayers, and was warned
also by dreams. For the night before he was slain his wife dreamed
that their house had fallen in ruins and that her husband had been
wounded by some men and had taken refuge in her bosom; and Caesar
dreamed he was raised aloft upon the clouds and grasped the hand of
Jupiter. Moreover, omens not a few and not without significance came
to him: the arms of Mars, at that time deposited in his house,
according to ancient custom, by virtue of his position as high
priest, made a great noise at night, and the doors of the chamber
where he slept opened of their own accord. Moreover, the sacrifices
which he offered because of these occurrences were not at all
favourable, and the birds he used in divination forbade him to leave
the house. Indeed, to some the incident of his golden chair seemed
ominous, at least after his murder; for the attendant, when Caesar
delayed his coming, had carried it out of the senate, thinking that
there now would be no need of it. "
"Caesar, accordingly, was so long in coming that the conspirators
feared there might be a postponement--indeed, a rumour got abroad
that he would remain at home that day--and that their plot would thus
fall through and they themselves would be detected. Therefore they
sent Decimus Brutus, as one supposed to be his devoted friend, to
secure his attendance."

Maybe embracing this relatively modern suicide theory made the
program more sensational to increase the viewership.

- Libitina


Mary Harrsch
Network & Information Systems Manager
College of Education
University of Oregon
Eugene, OR 97403
(541) 346-3554
http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~mharrsch













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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9997 From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-04-29
Subject: Re: SUICIDE BY ASSASSINATION
In a message dated 4/29/03 9:22:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
mjk@... writes:


> . His "contrived
> suicide" theory was based on several incidents and observations. The
> most convincing evidence, from his perspective, was a public
> indescretion in which Caesar refused to rise for a group of senators
> that approached him with a proclamation deifying him

We discussed this theory many moons ago at a JRS conference, I believe in
'99.
I'd have to check my notes. However the general agreement was it was
ridiculous.
Romans tend to be fatalistic as we all know. And Iulius Caesar believed in
his lucky star
and Fortuna guiding his way. When he met the conspirators and saw their
design, he was powerless. He had no body guards. So he submitted to death.
But I'm sure up to that moment he felt something would happen to save him.
Nothing did. Fortuna had abandoned him.
Had there been a strong Senate, I believe Rome would have profited from this,
and Republic
endure. But too much had happened before this, for it to go back to the pre
Sullan days.

Q. Fabius Maximus


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9998 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-04-29
Subject: Re: NR rally in Bollogna
Salve Amice!

I don't know if You already got it? But here it is:

http://aediles.novaroma.org/apulus/meeting/index.htm

>Salvete!
>
>could sombody send me link to NR rally in Bollogna page i have lost it some
>how
>
>Valete!
>Petrus Domitianus AL

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 9999 From: Bill Gawne Date: 2003-04-29
Subject: Ludi Florales
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Quiritibus SPD:

Due to complications in my macronational life the Ludi Florales
will begin tomorrow, rather than yesterday when they should have
begun. I trust the goddess will understand, and if she bears
any ill will for this delay will direct it solely at me.

Beginning tomorrow, 30 April, we will celebrate the Ludi Florales
with daily trivia contests and a subscription of Ludi Circenses.
The racing factiones should contact my Curule Aedilean colleague
Franciscus Apulus Caesar for details of the racing subscription,
if they have not already done so.

--
ex officio
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10000 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-04-29
Subject: Re: NR rally in Bollogna
Salvete Illustrus Consul and Domitianus,

this is not the final version of the website, there are several
errors and the prices aren't correct. We're waiting the last news
from some chiper hotels and about the organization of the days.
Please wait for the official announcement in a couple of days.

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
<christer.edling@t...> wrote:
> Salve Amice!
>
> I don't know if You already got it? But here it is:
>
> http://aediles.novaroma.org/apulus/meeting/index.htm
>
> >Salvete!
> >
> >could sombody send me link to NR rally in Bollogna page i have
lost it some
> >how
> >
> >Valete!
> >Petrus Domitianus AL
>
> --
>
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Senior Consul et Senator
> Propraetor Thules
> Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
> Civis Romanus sum
> ************************************************
> Cohors Consulis CFQ
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************************************************
> Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10001 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-04-29
Subject: FLOREALES LUDI CIRCENSES
Salvete Omnes,

to celebrate the Floreales Ludi the Curule Aedile Gnaeus Equitius
Marinus in collaboration with the Cohors Aedilis Franciscus Apulus
Caesar organize a new edition of Ludi Circenses, the famous and
exciting virtual races.

The races on the Circus wait for yours teams. Prepare your whips,
it´s time for running!
The public waits for you chariots. If you win, you will receive a
nice prize and the recognition of the members of your Factio and the
whole citizenship.
On the sand of the Circus, you can be a rabid red, a dangerous blue,
a furious green or a terrifying white.

Send your chariot and fight for the glory of the victory in the Ludi
Floreales!!

Who want run in our races must send a message to fraelov@...
writing:
1. Your Roman name
2. Names of your driver
3. Names of your chariot.
4. Factio (russata, veneta, praesina or albata)
5. Tactics number for quarters and semi-finals.
6. Tactics number for the final.

The inscription ends on 1st May 2003. (sorry, we accept a maximum of
16 players, so hurry up!)

The possible tactics are:
1) To hurry in the last laps
2) To pass the curves closely the "spina" of the circus
3) To support a constant pace
4) To lash the rivals
5) To push the rivals to the wall of the circus
6) To hurry in the straight lines

6. Dirty actions against a rival Factio (If you want)

The rules are published at
http://aediles.novaroma.org/apulus/ludi/ludicircenses.htm

I remember you all, a player can subscribe ONLY ONE chariot. Others
subscriptions will be not accepted.

The results of the Ludi Circenses will be published ate 2nd and 3th
May.

Do you want stop the tiranny of Factio Albata? Do you want give
the "final shoot" to the greens? Subscribe the virtal races and enjoy
Floreales Ludi.

--------------------------
The Floreales Ludi are organized by Illustrus Curule Aedile Gnaeus
Equitius Marinus in collaboration with Senior Curule Aedile
Franciscus Apulsu Caesar.
--------------------------

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10002 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2003-04-30
Subject: Re: SUICIDE BY ASSASSINATION
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Salvete, omnes.

Modern forensic methodology depends to an extraordinary degree on
detailed examination of the crime scene. Neither literary nor
archaeological sources disclose how the curia Pompeii was internally
structured, where exactly the statue of Pompeii was located or where
precisely Caesar was in relation to it. Without that knowledge the
sort of forensic analysis the television provided is mere speculation.
Furthermore, the literary sources are not entirely mutually
compatible and my view is that the producers picked and chose such
evidence from those sources as concurred with their hypothesis without
explaining in any detail why they excluded those elements which ran
counter to it. The assassination of Caesar has been one of the most
studied events in all of history and it's going to take rather more
than an hour of "Forensic Files Meets Roman History" to persuade me
that the scholarly consensus is wrong.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10003 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2003-04-30
Subject: Virtual Reconstruction of Ancient Rome
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to the UniversitÂŽ de Caen's "Virtual Reconstruction of
the Ancient Rome" website:

http://www.unicaen.fr/rome/anglais/index2.html

The structures which have been virtually reconstructed thus far
include the Flavian Colosseum, the Horologium, the Ara Pacis, the
Curia, the Temple of Venus and Rome, the Temple of Hadrian, the Forum
Boarium, the Temple of Portunus, and the Basilica Aemilia. The site
also includes a tour of Paul Bigot's plaster model of Rome in the
fourth century C.E.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10004 From: William Rogers Date: 2003-04-30
Subject: Posting a question...
It is now official, I am a Quaestor! :-) I have posted my pic and the
pic of a gens brother on the Quaestor list. Who should I e-mail them
to to get my picture and my gens brother's pic placed on our page,
and myself listed with the other Quaestors.

On a side note...it is VERY nice to see everyone talking to each
other on the main list, and not trying to chomp each other's head
off! :-)

Publius Tarquitius Rufus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10005 From: Gnaeus Salix Astur Date: 2003-04-30
Subject: Fwd: A course you may be interested in
Salvete Quirites.

I have received this invitation to join a course about women in Ancient
Rome. The organisers have offered a 15% fee reduction to all the
citizens and friends of Nova Roma, so make sure that you mention your
connection with us!

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--- Samantha King <samantha.king@...> escribió:
De: Samantha King <samantha.king@...>
Para: 'Gnaeus Salix Astur' <salixastur@...>
Asunto: A course you may be interested in
Fecha: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:58:33 -0400


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10006 From: Bill Gawne Date: 2003-04-30
Subject: Ludi Florales Trivia Contest -- Day 1
Attention! This is the first installment of the Ludi Florales Trivia
Contest. To participate in the contest, you must send the answers to
the following five trivia questions to: gawne @ cesmail . net
(I've added spaces between the items in that address so that Yahoo's
address munging scheme won't hide it from you, in case you read the
Nova-Roma list via the Yahoo website.) Please include
"Ludi Florales Trivia Contest" in the subject line.

Anyone who posts answers to the Nova-Roma list will be disqualified
immediately. Furthermore, if anyone does post the answers then all
replies for that day's questions will have to be disqualified. I hope
that makes it sufficiently clear that the answers are not to be
posted by anyone but me, the contest conductor.

The contest will begin today, and will last through Sunday May 4th.
There will be daily winners, and an overall cumulative winner.

And now! The questions for today:

1. What was the distinctive footwear of Roman Senators in the late Republic?

2. What city did Rome fight against in the Punic wars?

3. Which city was furthest from Rome: Alexandria on the Nile, Gades, or
Palmyra?

4. In what year were the first Curule Aediles elected?

5. What was the distinctive mark of a member of the Ordo Equester?


-- Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10007 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-04-30
Subject: Re: Posting a question...
Salve Illustrus Quaestor,

sorry for the delay, I received your private e-mail but I hadn't the
time to answer. Now I have it! :-)

> It is now official, I am a Quaestor! :-)

Congratulations!

> I have posted my pic and the
> pic of a gens brother on the Quaestor list. Who should I e-mail
them
> to to get my picture and my gens brother's pic placed on our page,
> and myself listed with the other Quaestors.

To publish your name in the list of Magistrates I think you have to
contact the Illustrus Curator Araneum Octavius Pius or Illustrus
Marcus Octavius Germanicus.
For the pics, please send me them with your ID numebers, I'll
publish them tonight.

> On a side note...it is VERY nice to see everyone talking to each
> other on the main list, and not trying to chomp each other's head
> off! :-)

Yes, I agree, this should be the best way to discuss. I hope it will
continue for a long time :-)

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10008 From: Decimus Iunius Silanus Date: 2003-04-30
Subject: Re: Posting a question...
Salve,

I have ammended your profile so that it reads that you are currently in
office. Your details should now show appear with the other quaestors.

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus
Scriba Censoris.


> It is now official, I am a Quaestor! :-) I have posted my pic and the
> pic of a gens brother on the Quaestor list. Who should I e-mail them
> to to get my picture and my gens brother's pic placed on our page,
> and myself listed with the other Quaestors.
>
> On a side note...it is VERY nice to see everyone talking to each
> other on the main list, and not trying to chomp each other's head
> off! :-)
>
> Publius Tarquitius Rufus
>