Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur Quiritibus SPD

I repeat my complete support for the candidacy {Vote *for* Laenas}of Gaius
Popillius Laenas as
Tribune Plebis.
Though I'm Patrician I hope that will not interfere with your decision to
Vote *for* Laenas Tribune Plebis.
He has already demonstrated his competency as Quaestor last year when he
administered the first year of Nova Roma tax collection in exemplary
fashion.
Additionally, I have found him to be a most noble Roman who will take his
responsibilities as a representative of the people seriously. I endorse
Gaius Popillius Laenas as a friend and Roman.
Vote *for* Laenas

Bene omnibus nobis

Valete
________________________________________________________________________

>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 01 May 2003 15:16:21 -0000
> From: "gaiuspopilliuslaenas" <ksterne@...>
> Subject: Campaign Statement
>
> Gaius Popillius Laenas Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit,
>
> We are approaching what WILL be the last run-off election for the
> final position of Tribune of the Plebs and I come before you a final
> time asking for your support.
>
> The vital responsibility of the Tribune is to protect the interests
> of the people by insuring that the Constitution and Laws up Nova
> Roma are upheld and administered fairly. You have seen this
> responsibility carried out this year by our already elected
> Tribunes. It sees to me, valued attributes for a Tribune would be
> fairness and an ability to work well with a variety of people. I
> believe I have this attributes.
>
> I served as Consular Quaestor for the "conservative" Consul Lucius
> Cornelius Sulla Felix, and I currently serve as Accensus for
> the "moderate" Consul Titus Labienus Fortunatus.
>
> I have also enjoyed the endorsement / support of a fairly wide
> ranger of cives as noted below (some even Partrician :-0 )
>
> L. Equitius Senator, Consular, past Censor
> Patricia Cassia, Senator
> Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
> L. Suetonius Nerva
> Manius Constantinus Serapio, Quaestor
> Sextus Apollonius Scipio, Quaestor
>
> (If I have forgotten anyone, or neglected to include a title, please
> forgive me).
>
> So I ask once again and the final time for your vote.
>
> Remember to vote, but more importantly remember to vote Laenas!!! ;-
> O
>
> Valete,
> Gaius Popillius Laenas
> Propraetor America Austrorientalis
> Consular Accensus
> Paterfamilias Gens Popillia

Salve Kenneth G. Holum of the University of Maryland is the co-director of
the "Combined Caesarea Expeditions" and was my professor for Roman history
at the University of Maryland back in the mid 1970's. Nice guy. I have
followed the project with interest for the pasted few decades. Great stuff.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 2:40 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Caesarea


> G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.
>
> Avete, Quirites.
>
> Here's a link to the "Combined Caesarea Expeditions" website:
>
> http://digcaesarea.org/
>
> The site describes the activities of archaeologists investigating the
> Herodian city and its harbour with excellent teaching modules on
> archaeological theory and methods and the Caesarean artifacts.
>
> Valete, Quirites.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus
>
>
>
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Should the Republic require it, I will be happy to serve as one of
the Portuguese translators. Though not a native speaker, I did live
in Portugal for two years (even got to walk on top of a Roman
aqueduct!) and try to keep my language skills current.



Lucius Quintius Constantius of Lacus Magni

Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur Quiritbus SPD

In the matter of "Diana Moravia Aventina" assuming Materfamilias Moravi, I
contacted the original Paterfamilias Nicolaus Moravius Vado to verify that
she had indeed been one of the original gens members. He answered promptly
even though he was no longer a citizen and was very cooperative in his
recounting Moravi history.
At nearly the same time my then Scriba Censoris Marcus Octavius was able to
locate from old data Diana Moravia Aventina's citizen records.
Using these pieces of evidence the Censores determined that in fact Diana
Moravia Aventina was a citizen before any of the others, and in fact she, as
the only Gens member, would have been Materfamilias.
Therefore, what was done was to simply correct the records.
Thus, when Tribune Diana Moravia Aventina says, "but I believe the logic was
that since my original citizenship was from Sept 1999 and L Moravius from
Dec 17 2000, removing him as Paterfamilias and making me Materfamilias was
correcting an error.", she is complete correct.
Our decision had nothing to do with an "EDICTUM PRAETORICIUM", and neither
did it have anything to do with favoritism or "beautiful people" of Nova
Roma.

Valete

________________________________________________________________________

>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 15:35:05 +0200
> From: "Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@...>
> Subject: RE: Re: Digest Number 569 - Debt Humiliation
>
> Salve Calvus,
>
> Sorry, but I have to disagree with your reasoning below:
>
> . How
> <quickly people forget that the proper Pater of Gens Moravia was
> <summarily ousted illegally. He was removed without trial, he was
> <removed without failure to respond to a Census (another law
> <conveniently ignored because 1700+ citizens looks better than a
> <couple hundred). He was just removed because Diana (sorry Diana as
> <much as I like you personally) is popular.
>
> When I returned in April 2002 only a handful of people remembered me from
> 1999 & 2000 and Lucius Moravius was totally inactive. So I really think

that

> popularity had nothing to do with this issue since when I was made
> Materfamilias thereby ousting L Moravius, no one in Nova Roma knew either
> one of us.
>
> But you are right: Lucius Moravius did not have a trial and had no chance

to

> answer a Census, but do you really think he was ousted illegally? After

not

> reponding to my numerous emails asking to be reinstated into Gens Moravia,
> he then failed to respond within 45 days to (then) Praetor Titus Labienus
> Fortunatus who then acted in his place according to the EDICTUM

PRAETORICIUM

> of August 7 2755 :Praetores May Act on Behalf of Absent Patresfamilias.I
> could be wrong, but I believe the logic was that since my original
> citizenship was from Sept 1999 and L Moravius from Dec 17 2000, removing

him

> as Paterfamilias and making me Materfamilias was correcting an error.
>
> <I have no doubt for one minute that if I had failed to pay my taxes to

Nova

> Roma I'd
> <been removed from Rogator one second after the stroke of midnight.
> <Why? Because I'm not one of the "beautiful people" of Nova Roma.
>
> Hey now angel... What's this all about? You're not one of the "beautiful'
> people" ???? Says who? I can send you a long list of citizens who have

you

> on their 'beautiful people' list ;-)
>
> Vale,
> Diana Moravia

Hello racing fans! Welcome back to the track where we're about to
start the third semifinal race of the Ludi Florales games!

In this race, starting at the pole position we have the russata faction's
chariot Puteo, driven by Veritas est and owned by Lucius Arminius Faustus.
Next there's the praesina faction's chariot Inexpugnabilis II driven by
Euthymus and owned by Caius Curius Saturninus. In the third lane we have
Orionis Draco from the veneta faction, driven by Equus Magnus and owned
by Titus Licinius Crassus. And on the outside there's Minotaur, another
chariot from the huge praesina team! Minotaur is driven by its owner,
Quintus Lanius Paulinus. Paulinus has trained hard, and he thinks he can
hold his own against these professional drivers here today. Let's see
how he does!

They're at the starting line now... the drivers exchange their usual
pleasantries... Woah! Orionis Draco almost made a false start there!
The wheel horse was about to bolt when Magnus brought him up short.
That stallion had better watch out, lest he become a gelding. Now
Magnus has his team back in order.... and they're ready to race.

There they go! Orionis Draco is off to a quick start, taking the lead
and moving toward the inside wall. Behind him the russata and both
praesina chariots close into a tight following line of thundering
hooves and flashing wheels... Now the veneta chariot slows for the
first turn... and the others close in... now around the backstretch
and he's off again! Equus Magnus is really driving his beasts today
folks, pushing them for all the early speed he can get on this fast
track.

Now they're into the near turn... and again the Orionis Draco comes
out flying! If Magnus can hold this pace nobody will catch him!
But we still have most of six laps to go... Behind him come the
green, blue, and green chariots maintaining a tight, disciplined
group. Those drivers are obviously playing the long game here,
waiting for Magnus to wear his team out...

Third lap now. The Orionis Draco is still in the lead, still charging
down every straightaway at full speed. Euthymus in Inexpugnabilis II
has moved into second place, just ahead of russata's Puteo. Paulinus
in how own Minotaur is at the back of the pack, keeping close, biding
his time... They round the far turn... coming back down the track now
pretty much as they've been... Now they're into the near turn, and
here's the end of the third lap.

Coming up on the halfway point in this race, Paulinus has moved to
the outside. It looks like he's going to try to pass Puteo... and
yes! Paulinus in Minotaur has moved into third place! Orionis Draco
goes into the far turn with the other three following behind in their
tight formation... How long can Magnus drive his team like this?
Will they last another three laps? Inquiring minds want to know!
As they take the near turn the blue chariot is still in the lead,
gaining a length of distance with every half lap!

In the fifth lap now, back in the pack it looks like Lanius Paulinus
is getting ready to overtake his praesina teammate. He's come up
even now.... and yes! He's overtaken Inexpugnabilis II! Great
driving Paulinus! But can he catch that blue cyclone called Orionis
Draco? Can anything stop the Orionis Draco now? They've rounded the
far turn and here they come down the backstretch. Paulinus is still
driving a disciplined race, rating those horses... waiting for his
chance. He's betting that the Orionis Draco can't sustain this pace...

Now the Orionis Draco is through the near turn and once again Equus
Magnus is flogging those horses for all they'll give him! They're
pulling away... Paulinus gives chace, with a lap and two thirds to
go... now the blue chariot comes out of the far turn racing down
the backstretch... and Oh No! Would ya look at that Lucius?!?
The chariot bow has come off of the Orionis Draco! Equus Magnus
is down between the two interior horses, holding on for dear life!
Will he be trampled to mush!? Can anything save him now?!? Yes!
Yes! He's up on the back of his left inside horse now! Let's
give a big hand to Equus Magnus as he leaves the track to drive
another day. Tough break for Titus Licinius Crassus and the veneta
team there, but what a heart stopping show from Equus Magnus!

Final lap now... the Minotaur is in the lead, and now Paulinus
can taste victory! He's watching over his shoulder... letting the
reins out just a bit now, still holding the horses back just a bit
for that last burst of speed... Into the far turn it's green, green
and red as they flash around the spina... Now DOWN THE STRETCH
THEY COME! They're really racing now folks! Thundering down the
backstretch it's a sprint to the finish! Puteo swings wide to
try one last charge! But now he's losing ground. Those horses
have had it for today, and they just don't have a last burst of
speed left! Inexpugnabilis II still challenges though, and as they
come into the last turn it's two green chariots almost like one blur
of speed! Paulinus lets his team have their heads now! And yes!
They have surged ahead again! At the finish it's Quintus Lanius
Paulinus in his Minotaur by half a chariot wheel! Inexpugnabilis II
is a close, close second! And Puteo comes in third.

That's it from the third race today folks! We're going to take a short
break and then we'll be right back with the fourth and final race of
this semifinal round of the Ludi Florales Circensis!

Salvete ,

Gens Iulia Caesaria already up-dated and there is a very good message to all
up-comming citizens of Nova Roma: Gens Iulia Caesaria is accepting new
members from all over the world: from Cucamonga Junction to Bahgdad and
Sapporo and from Mehamn to Maputo.

Bene valete

Alexander Probus,
Paterfamilias Gens Iulia Caesaria

Salvete Plebeian citizens!

Even though my colleague Lucius Pompeius Octavianus is the presiding
magistrate for this election, I would like give all Plebeian citizens a
friendly reminder that the fifth run-off election for the last vacant office
of Tribunus Plebis is now under way!

If you are a Plebeian citizen, please go to http://www.novaroma.org and
click 'VOTE NOW'. Voting will continue for the next week, but why wait? Vote
now!

Only Plebeian citizens may vote in this election. Not sure if you are a
Plebeian? No problem. Just go to http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/gentes
Find the name of your gens (they are listed alphabetically). Two columns to
the right of your Gens name, click on the 'number of cives'. A new page
opens that contains a listing of all the citizens in your Gens. The word
'Patrician' or 'Plebeian' will be written on the left beneath the name of
your Gens. If it says 'Plebeian' then you need to vote!

If you don't remember your voter code or are a new citizen, again, no
problem. You can have it automatically mailed to you by doing the following:
Follow the same procedure as mentioned above. When you reach the page
listing all of the citizens in your Gens, locate your name and click on the
link. On the new page you'll see a box which contains information about you.
Click on "Get voter code". On the new page, enter your year of birth and
click 'request voter code'. Your voter code will be emailed to you. Once you
have your voter code, go to http://www.novaroma.org and click 'VOTE NOW'.

Thank you for your interest in this election!

Valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina on behalf of the Tribunes of 2756

Salve Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur,

That seems fair and logical to me. With all the information that has
been brought forth between yourself and Consul Labienus, in my mind
the cloud of questions about the whole affair is burned away.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Equitius" <vergil@s...>
wrote:

> Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur Quiritbus SPD
>
> In the matter of "Diana Moravia Aventina" assuming Materfamilias

Moravi, I

> contacted the original Paterfamilias Nicolaus Moravius Vado to

verify that

> she had indeed been one of the original gens members. He answered

promptly

> even though he was no longer a citizen and was very cooperative in

his

> recounting Moravi history.
> At nearly the same time my then Scriba Censoris Marcus Octavius was

able to

> locate from old data Diana Moravia Aventina's citizen records.
> Using these pieces of evidence the Censores determined that in fact

Diana

> Moravia Aventina was a citizen before any of the others, and in

fact she, as

> the only Gens member, would have been Materfamilias.
> Therefore, what was done was to simply correct the records.
> Thus, when Tribune Diana Moravia Aventina says, "but I believe the

logic was

> that since my original citizenship was from Sept 1999 and L

Moravius from

> Dec 17 2000, removing him as Paterfamilias and making me

Materfamilias was

> correcting an error.", she is complete correct.
> Our decision had nothing to do with an "EDICTUM PRAETORICIUM", and

neither

> did it have anything to do with favoritism or "beautiful people" of

Nova

> Roma.
>
> Valete
>
>

______________________________________________________________________
__

> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 15:35:05 +0200
> > From: "Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@p...>
> > Subject: RE: Re: Digest Number 569 - Debt Humiliation
> >
> > Salve Calvus,
> >
> > Sorry, but I have to disagree with your reasoning below:
> >
> > . How
> > <quickly people forget that the proper Pater of Gens Moravia was
> > <summarily ousted illegally. He was removed without trial, he was
> > <removed without failure to respond to a Census (another law
> > <conveniently ignored because 1700+ citizens looks better than a
> > <couple hundred). He was just removed because Diana (sorry Diana

as

> > <much as I like you personally) is popular.
> >
> > When I returned in April 2002 only a handful of people remembered

me from

> > 1999 & 2000 and Lucius Moravius was totally inactive. So I really

think

> that
> > popularity had nothing to do with this issue since when I was made
> > Materfamilias thereby ousting L Moravius, no one in Nova Roma

knew either

> > one of us.
> >
> > But you are right: Lucius Moravius did not have a trial and had

no chance

> to
> > answer a Census, but do you really think he was ousted illegally?

After

> not
> > reponding to my numerous emails asking to be reinstated into Gens

Moravia,

> > he then failed to respond within 45 days to (then) Praetor Titus

Labienus

> > Fortunatus who then acted in his place according to the EDICTUM
> PRAETORICIUM
> > of August 7 2755 :Praetores May Act on Behalf of Absent

Patresfamilias.I

> > could be wrong, but I believe the logic was that since my original
> > citizenship was from Sept 1999 and L Moravius from Dec 17 2000,

removing

> him
> > as Paterfamilias and making me Materfamilias was correcting an

error.

> >
> > <I have no doubt for one minute that if I had failed to pay my

taxes to

> Nova
> > Roma I'd
> > <been removed from Rogator one second after the stroke of

midnight.

> > <Why? Because I'm not one of the "beautiful people" of Nova Roma.
> >
> > Hey now angel... What's this all about? You're not one of

the "beautiful'

> > people" ???? Says who? I can send you a long list of citizens

who have

> you
> > on their 'beautiful people' list ;-)
> >
> > Vale,
> > Diana Moravia

Salve Lucius Equitius,

Thank you very much for clarifying my email. This morning I was trying to
put all the facts together regarding me becoming Materfamilas and I had
totally forgotten the email from Nicholas Moravius Vado.

Thanks again & vale!
Diana Moravia



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Salve

The citizen(s) with the following voter tracking codes
has a malformed or inaccurate voter code:

# 309 and 315

Please remember to enter your code exactly as it is
given, and if you are unsure of your new code, follow
the instructions posted previously to obtain your
current voter code by e-mail:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/5339

Or you may write the censors: censors @ novaroma.org

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Rogator

P.S. This means my email is finally working again. <G>

Salve,

I'm very impressed with Nova Roma's Eagle (and as some have figured
out, I am not easily impressed). The lay out, format, proofreading,
and editing is of excellent quality and shows that much hard work and
effort is going into producing a high quality professional
newsletter. The Curator Differum, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus and
his staff are doing a remarkable job on a very tight budget. I
highly urge everyone who is not already a subscriber to The Eagle to
do so as it is $20.00 well spent.

The subscription address is:

Nova Roma Eagle
5496 Ross Court
New Market, MD 21774

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

Hello race fans! Welcome back to the fourth and last semifinal race of
the Ludi Florales Circensis! The winner of this race will be joining
the winners of the other three semifinal races for the big final
race that will determine the winner of the Ludi Florales Circensis!

Out on the track we see that the current green champion chariot,
Basilea, driven by Septimus Raurax, is in the pole position. Next,
the veneta entry Fortuna driven by Felix Fortunatus and owned by
the sweetheart of Veneta, Roscia Annaea Pia, who's here today
to watch her team run surrounded by her admiring fans! In the
third lane, we have the praesina entry Raptor Cruentus driven
by Cethinus Aspis, owned by Gaius Iulius Scaurus. On the outside
we have the albata chariot Alea Iacta Est, driven by Aurelius
and owned by Marcus Tullius Philippicae.

Now they're at the starting line... But wait! The racing officials
are waving off the starter! The judges are walking onto the track
and Oh No! They've seized the wheelhorse of the veneta chariot
and they're leading that team off the track!

We've just received word from the race judges that Fortuna has
been disqualified! Oh what a blow for the veneta team! What an
embarassment for Roscia Annaea Pia! She is furious! But now
the judge has shown her something which must be the evidence...
and ... is she blushing?!? Who knows? She's being led away
to the official's pavilion. We'll let you know as more information
comes to us. What a sad stain on the day this is for the veneta team.

But now the three remaining teams have been lined up again. The
starter is in place, and... Off they go!

The albata Alea Iacta Est is off to a fast start, taking advantage
of this fast track today. Behind him are the two praesina chariots,
Basilea and Raptor Cruentus. The two greens are neck and neck as
the white chariot goes into the first turn.... and now they're around
and through. Again the albata chariot draws ahead in the backstretch,
and here they come into the near turn... he slows, now he's around
and after one lap it's albata, praesina, and praesina! Down the
front straightaway of the second lap the albata chariot gains more
ground before slowing for the far turn again... Meanwhile the two
greens are biding their time... running a close second and third.

Now they're into the far turn, and again the white chariot comes
charging out down the backstretch. Behind him the two greens are
steady, eating up ground and biding their time.... here they come
around the near turn.. and that's the second lap.

In the front straightaway again we see the albata chariot surging
ahead. Now Cethinus Aspis, the driver of the green Raptor Cruentus,
is lashing his teammate! Septimus Raurax can't believe it! Raurax
has his knife out... and now he's cut Cethinus Aspis' whip off short.
That'll show the young upstart!

Now Septimus Raurax pulls ahead, putting distance between himself
and his traitorous teammate. You can just bet there will be words
in the drivers' baths tonight race fans!

Now they're around the far turn, into the backstretch, and the
albata chariot is still pulling away from Raurax in his green
Basilea. Now Aurelius, the albata driver, reins his team in
for the turn and Septimus Raurax closes fast, risking the wall
to gain ground. They're out of the turn now and THAT's the fourth
lap of this race.

Once again Aurelius lets his horses run... Raurax is biding his
time, maintaining his steady pace, not letting Aurelius set the
pace of this race for him. Raurax is a seasoned veteran who
knows how to win folks. This race is a long way from over!
They're around the far turn and coming down the backstretch
once again. Look at those horses run! Aurelius is pushing his
team for all they've got now... and now he slows again for the
near side turn... Raurax still close behind him...

Now they're into the sixth lap. Aurelius is driving his team
like the furies. Raurax holds steady, letting the white chariot
draw ahead in the straightaway, knowing he'll catch him in the
corners. Sure enough, here they go again, into the far corner,
with Raurax closing fast as Aurelius slows to round the spina
again. They've left the other praesina chariot Raptor Cruentus
well behind now, as the driver Aspis is forced to make do with
his cut-off whip... It's really just a two chariot race now.

Rounding the near turn, they head into the seventh and final
lap... Now Raurax is showing his stuff! He's eased off the reins
and his horses are loving it. They have the bits in their teeth
as they tear down the track! He's drawing even with
Now he's ahead! Raurax has taken the lead here in the last lap!
He stays wide of the spina, trading extra distance for turning
speed... Aurelius tries to come up on the inside ...

AND DOWN THE STRETCH THEY COME!

It's albata's Alea Iacta Est, driven by Aurelius, neck and neck
with praesina's Wheel hub to wheel hub they charge down
the length of the backstretch here... Now Aurelius is in the lead
again! Into the final turn, Raurax pushes his horses for their
last burst of speed! Into the short straight they're still
neck and neck! And at the finish line it's............
Albata by a nose! Aurelius has done it! He's beaten Raurax!
The crowd is going wild!

Salvete omnes.
Due to delay in the beginning of the election I do hereby postpone the ending of the voting in one day, so it will end on May 11th at 18:00 Rome time. Thus, the voting period still is 8 days long.
Bene valete
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Tribunus Plebis




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Salvete omnes.
I updated the voting period at Nova Roma calendar : http://www.novaroma.org/bin/calendar/cal .
So if you have any doubts you can click the link above.
Bene valete
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Tribunus Plebis




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In a message dated 5/5/03 4:20:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
danielovi@... writes:

> Due to delay in the beginning of the election I do hereby postpone the
> ending of the voting in one day, so it will end on May 11th at 18:00 Rome
> time. Thus, the voting period still is 8 days long.
>

Point of order. Is this an Edictum? If so, it should be declared as such.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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Salvete,

I'm still new to this forum and reluctant to post since I haven't
got a formal name yet. Before tending my application, I wanted to do
a bit of research and now I have a couple more questions. I have read
the entire forum archives from 1998 to present and read a good bit of
the info in the Tabularium, however choosing a gens to apply to, and
consequently a name, has been difficult.

1) I did a full rundown of all the gentes listed on the Album
Gentium. Most of the families consist of one member with that person
being Capite Censi and in an urban tribe. Does this mean that they
have neither paid dues or voted recently? If so, how often is this
status updated. In short, in order to judge activity in a gens, is
using the number of Capite Censi members versus the number of Rural
tribe members as a good gauge? (By the way, I have the entire list of
gentes with that info written down if anyone is interested in the
stats).

2) I live in Hawaii and can't seem to find anyone else in the area on
the list and it doesn't appear that it is included in the color map
of the different Provinciae. Any suggestions there?

3) Though I may be new to you, I've read all those years of posts,
some of you have been posting that whole time, so it doesn't seem you
are all new to me. Any suggestions on a good way to choose a gens?
Activity is one way, but I don't want to get lost in a big gens that
may not be very cohesive. I'm interested in many aspects of Roman
life and culture, with the exception of actual fighting, though
strategy I do like, and would like to join a gens with a similar
spread of interest.

Thanks for your time everyone and I hope to have a proper name soon.

Christy aka Nemo the Newbie :)

Salve

--- christyacb <bryanta003@...> escreveu: >
Salvete,

>
> I'm still new to this forum and reluctant to post
> since I haven't
> got a formal name yet.

M.ARMINIUS: No problem, you can post here even if you
isnt yet a novaroman citizen.

> Before tending my
> application, I wanted to do
> a bit of research and now I have a couple more
> questions. I have read
> the entire forum archives from 1998 to present and
> read a good bit of
> the info in the Tabularium, however choosing a gens
> to apply to, and
> consequently a name, has been difficult.
>
> 1) I did a full rundown of all the gentes listed on
> the Album
> Gentium. Most of the families consist of one member
> with that person
> being Capite Censi and in an urban tribe. Does this
> mean that they
> have neither paid dues or voted recently? If so, how
> often is this
> status updated.

M.ARMINIUS: Yes, if someone didnt pay their annual
contribution to Nova Roma, he will be a "capite
censi", and will vote with one of the four urban
tribes, and with the last Centuria.

> In short, in order to judge activity
> in a gens, is
> using the number of Capite Censi members versus the
> number of Rural
> tribe members as a good gauge?
> (By the way, I have
> the entire list of
> gentes with that info written down if anyone is
> interested in the
> stats).

M.ARMINIUS: I love statistics! Forward your data to
me, please.

> 2) I live in Hawaii and can't seem to find anyone
> else in the area on
> the list and it doesn't appear that it is included
> in the color map
> of the different Provinciae. Any suggestions there?

M.ARMINIUS: Some of the provinces of Nova Roma,
specially the "unitedstatesian" ones, were created
before the establishment of the first main list and
the Tabularium, and so some data was lost. There are
no documents with the date of creation of Provincia
America Mediatlantica or their limits.
By the way, i suggest that the Consules can discuss
this issue with our Senate.
By the way, Hawaii seems to be, extra-officially,
included in Provincia California.

> 3) Though I may be new to you, I've read all those
> years of posts,
> some of you have been posting that whole time, so it
> doesn't seem you
> are all new to me. Any suggestions on a good way to
> choose a gens?

M.ARMINIUS: Well, prospective citizens seems to choose
their ganes based in a variety of reasons, some of
them are:
- Familiarity. The name, like Iulii, or Cornelii,
because this name is famous, or familiar to you. One
joined my gens, Arminia, because he was studying the
battle of Teutoburg, won by the german Arminius. Or
someone who admire the Gracchi brothers can join the
Gens Sempronia.
- Friendship. your first friend in Nova Roma is from
a certain Gens, and so you join them.
- Geographical. You can join a gens because there are
a lot of people of your country/region there. Is
difficult to join a gens where no one spoke your
language, for example.
- Activity. A big gens, with a lot of active members,
can be a indication of support in Nova Roma. I believe
that the biggest gentes, like the Cornelia, has even a
private email-group. In my opinion, any gens with more
than 6 to 8 members, that is open and with at least
one member aproved last year, is active enough to gave
support to a newbie.
- Other reasons?

> Activity is one way, but I don't want to get lost in
> a big gens that
> may not be very cohesive. I'm interested in many
> aspects of Roman
> life and culture, with the exception of actual
> fighting, though
> strategy I do like, and would like to join a gens
> with a similar
> spread of interest.

M.ARMINIUS: My suggestion is, try to discuss cultural
issues in the main list, and see who answers. :)
By the way, we have associations where we can discuss
a variety of topics, the Sodalitates. You can join one
of them. Hum, where are our list of Sodalitates?

> Thanks for your time everyone and I hope to have a
> proper name soon.
>
> Christy aka Nemo the Newbie :)

Vale
Marcus Arminius

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Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to the Newcastle Museum's discussion of Mithraism and
the Carrawburgh
Mithraeum:

http://museums.ncl.ac.uk/archive/mithras/text.htm

The site has an excellent collection of images of Mithraic artifacts,
the Carrawburgh Mithraeum, and epigraphic evidence from votive
inscriptions.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "christyacb" <bryanta003@h...>
wrote:

> Salvete,

Salve!

Welcome to Nova Roma. You have embarked on your journey in Nova Roma
the right way, reading, reading, reading. The Constitution, founding
documents, list archives, etc. I am impressed--all should be so
thorough.

> I'm still new to this forum and reluctant to post since I haven't
> got a formal name yet. Before tending my application, I wanted to
>do a bit of research and now I have a couple more questions. I have
>read the entire forum archives from 1998 to present and read a good
>bit of the info in the Tabularium, however choosing a gens to apply
>to, and consequently a name, has been difficult.

I understand, it is a difficult decision. And don't be shy to post,
you have done well so far.

> 3) Though I may be new to you, I've read all those years of posts,
> some of you have been posting that whole time, so it doesn't seem
>you are all new to me. Any suggestions on a good way to choose a
>gens?

As I mentioned above, it is a difficult decision. Unlike our birth
names, here we choose names that must fit us individually. Sometimes
it is quite a trial!

Though Arminius did a very good job of suggesting ways to chose a
name, I hope you don't mind my suggestions and observations as well.

When I was censor three years ago, I noticed (and still thik this is
valid) that there seem to be two main categories of names people
choose: historical figures one admires or "custom" names to suit
one's personality. Both are perfectly valid options.

It is easy to see why one would choose an historical figure. The name
is instantly recognizable and carries a certain cachet to it as well
as, to a lesser extent, certain traits commensurate to that
historical figure. One can sometimes make decent personality guesses
to the person who would chose the name Lucius Cornelius Sulla or
Quintus Fabius Maximus, and to a degree one would be right. A person
chooses a name to bring an instant connection to that ancient person
and to honor the memory and legacy of that ancestor.

The second category is more difficult but perhaps more interesting
(ok, I'm revealing a bias here). One choses a name, or combination of
names to suite one's interests and personality. Since you are a
female, you would have fewer historical examples to chose from anyway
so a custom name might be your best option. It is also a way to start
a new legacy with no instant ancient linkage or baggage.

I'll use myself as an example. It sounds ridiculous now, but I
AGONIZED over a name during the eight months leading up the founding
of Nova Roma. For most of those eight months I didn't even know Nova
Roma was in the works except it was a Roman group a friend of mine
was working on creating, but for some reason, I was intent on getting
a Roman name. (a lot of things really just fell together to prepare
me for Nova Roma during 1997, studying Latin, the religio in depth,
history and choosing a name)

I considered briefly the name Quintus Aurelius Symmachus, in honor of
the senator of the Altar of Victory fame but I was pretty sure I
wanted the name Decius Iunius, though for the life of me I can't tell
you why now I wanted the name Iunius except it felt right. Decius was
for the emperor Decius, a famous persecutor of Christians (I was
somewhat anti-Christian then, something that is long behind me). It
wasn't one of the standard praenomen but I discovered references that
it was a common Italian praenomen and was used in SOME Roman gentes.
So, I claimed it as my own.

That left a cognomen, which was where the agony came in. :-) I tried
numerous cognomina, none of which quite worked. Odysseus, Ulixes
(Latin name for Odysseus), Athenus, Athenaeus, Athenaicus, Petronius
and others I have forgotten. I was dedicated to Pallas Athena,
Minerva if you will, and wanted a name to reflect that. It came down
to Ulixes and Petronius and I drew lots to decide--Ulixes won but
something didn't feel right despite the connection to Athena. About
three or four weeks before Nova Roma was to go public, a friend
suggested another derivative of Pallas Athena, Palladius, and I
instantly knew I had my name, though I still drew lots for the name
and Palladius won overwhelmingly. I can't imagine another name to
this day (besides the agnomen Invictus I received in 1999 which I
usually only use in official correspondence).

Other custom names that come to mind are those of our two founders,
the resigned Flavius Vedius Germanicus, who chose the name Vedius in
honor of the God Vediovis and Germanicus because he was religiously
an Asaratur (spelling is wrong I know). Marcus Cassius Iulianus chose
Iulianus as a cognomen in honor of the emperor Julian.

I hope that wasn't the dullest piece of drivel you've ever read,
hearing about my inner agony as I chose a name. I had the luxury of
time when I chose a name, there was no citizenship to apply for.

So, I would suggest combining interests to form a name. If you are
religious, perhaps a name connected to a deity, a derivative without
actually using the name of the God or Goddess (I've always thought it
the height of hubris to take the actual name of a God). Perhaps join
the gens you have most in common with politically or historically and
chsoe a praenomen that feels right. Much of it IS subjective and you
have to know yourself to find a name that will fit. You'll chose well
I'm sure. If you need help, let me know.

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius

G. Iulius Scaurus Nemini Advenae Christy salutem dicit

Salve, Nemo Advena Christy [I apologise but "Nemo Advena" is the best
I can Latinise "No-name .newcomer"]

As have already been presented, there are several strategies for
slecting a Roman name. From what I have seen in NR and elsewhere,
while the instant name recognition of the name of a historical figure
has its charms, it also tends to increase the ill will you would
experience from those whose reading of Roman history leads them to
identify your chosen historical namesake as a filthy, leperous,
murdering bugger (which was the view of L. Cornelius Sulla Felix
Dictator held by many Marians -- I suspect from my examination of the
archives that this led some to tar unfairly our NR L. Cornelius Sulla
Felix with his namesakes' brush). L. Cornelius seems to have risen
above all that, but it is a potential fight one might wish to avoid
early on in your NR journey.

I also am a recent citizen. As a professional historian who has
research interest in the late republic, I had a rather great number of
examples of historical names which might have suited me. I see one of
the fundamental conflicts in the republican political-economy being
restriction of slave-dependent latifundia while reducing oligarchic
expropriation of the ager public, on the one hand, and the need for a
free rural agricultual labour force from which the army could
recruited. It was the issue which got the Gracchi murdered. It was
the issue around which the urban poor could be mobilised for
revolution and a revolution which might have swept away the Roman
oligarchy. I greatly respect M. Aemilius Scaurus, consul and censor,
who struggled to resolve this fundamental crisis in the Roman
political-economy and stood with G. Marius in resolving the military
component of the problem. But I had no desire to be in NR M. Aemilius
Scaurus, or G. Marius. I also much respect C. Iulius Caesar who
became the only Roman aristocrat who could inspire and organise the
potentially revolutionary force of the caput census to be productive
soldiers and colonial farmers, although his methods permanently ended
the republic. I also respect C. Iulius Caesar Octavianus Augustus for
his reestablishment of the republic to the furtherst degree possible
after the civil wars; even as princeps he made every effort to bring
the republican senate into governance, although the political dynamics
of the civil wars changed republican institutions in a way which made
them ultimately irrecoverable. And I thought it damned presumptuous
to take their names. I gradually drew toward the gens Iulia and found
the Materfamilias Iulia Vopisca very friendly and helpful. With
Iulius as a nomen, I decided that it would not be too presumptuous to
take the most common praenomen of the gens, Gaius. That left a
Cognomen. I limp a bit from arthritis and a old broken ankle's
twinging, a common cognomen referring to that sort of physical ailment
is Scaurus. And Scaurus looked back toward M. Aemilius Scaurus, whom,
I said, I also respected greatly. Gaius Iulius Scaurus came naturally
from those historical associations, the warm welcome of the
Materfamilias and my propinqui in the Gens Iulia, and the limitations
of my body. My only point here is that there are a wide variety of
factors which can contribute to successfully choosing a Roman name.
Give it a good deal of thought from every direction, since it will
frame the way in which your fellow citizens deal with you for the rest
of your life in NR.

May the Gods lead you firmly to that name which is most you.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salve,


(The gods have heard me!) Welcome aboard! Nowadays, the portuguese
translations are being done by me and T. Arminius Genialis. But this
is a Hercules job, thanks gods the most important documents were
already translated, BUT there is lots to do yet. Alas, you can send
me some of your work, to contribute on revising.

I adress you to subscribe the Decuria of Interpreters list. We are a
little bit silent because many interpreters gained some others
magistracies and the responsiblities make us sick. Unfortunatly, our
job is lonely and tiring. Like the (greatest) poet Drummond said:
´Fighting the words is the vainest fight´.

Alas, uploading everything on NR site is always another Hercules job.

Vale,
L. Arminius Faustus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Roger" <politicog@y...> wrote:
>
>
> Should the Republic require it, I will be happy to serve as one
of
> the Portuguese translators. Though not a native speaker, I did
live
> in Portugal for two years (even got to walk on top of a Roman
> aqueduct!) and try to keep my language skills current.
>
>
>
> Lucius Quintius Constantius of Lacus Magni

Salvete Fellow Plebians,

Voting in the The FINAL election of 2756 for the FINAL Tribune spot
has continues at:

http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/voting/index.html

Why not click on over and vote right now?


And remember.....among the remaining candidates for Tribune:

"Laenas is the finest!!!"....Vote Gaius Popillius Laenas for Tribune"

>>This message paid for by the Committee to Elect Gaius Popillius

Laenas Tribune; Gaius Popillius Laenas, Chairman<<

Salve!

Let me add my welcome to Nova Roma.


It looks like most of your questions have been answered very well,
but Palladius' post about the two styles of Roman names interested
me and I thought I would share my experience.

I never considered a custom name. I wanted the pranomen Gaius (I
just like it) and one of my historical favorites was Gaius Marius.
Guess what? - Taken, as were many of the others.

So, I did a little research and I found the story of C. Popillius
Laenas. Laneas was an old Consular who was sent to confront
Antiochus of Syria who was encroaching into Egypt. Laenas went to
Egypt only with his lictors and met Antiochus in the desert. When
Laenas prtesented the Roman demand that he leave Egypt, Antiochus
said he had to think about it. Laneas used a staff for support
(told you he was old) and he took the staff and drew a circle in the
sand around the feet of Antiochus and demanded an answer before he
stepped out of the circle. Antiochus dedcided to leave Egypt :-O.
That sounded perfectly Roman to me and a great name, and the
cognomen Laenas means "priestly mantle" or "heavy cloaks" which
sounded OK too.

BTW, if your not already bored enough, a more dubious Gaius
Popillius Laenas was the mad who murdered Cicero on orders from
Marcus Antonius.

Finally, gens Popillia is open if you are interested.

Vale,
Gaius Popillius Laenas (heir of the Consular, not the murderer)

Ave Christy,



My comments are listed below:

----- Original Message -----

From: christyacb

To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 7:52 PM

Subject: [Nova-Roma] More Questions from Newbie



Salvete,

I'm still new to this forum and reluctant to post since I haven't
got a formal name yet. Before tending my application, I wanted to do
a bit of research and now I have a couple more questions. I have read
the entire forum archives from 1998 to present and read a good bit of
the info in the Tabularium, however choosing a gens to apply to, and
consequently a name, has been difficult.

1) I did a full rundown of all the gentes listed on the Album
Gentium. Most of the families consist of one member with that person
being Capite Censi and in an urban tribe. Does this mean that they
have neither paid dues or voted recently?



Sulla: Yes, that they have not paid the recent tax and have failed to vote in the Nov./Dec. election.



If so, how often is this
status updated.



Sulla: In the case of the taxes, it was updated very quickly. As Paterfamilias of the Gens Cornelia I was in constant contact with Quaestor Gnaeus Octavius Noricus to get updated status on payments from members of the Gens Cornelia. When I went to observe the Album Civium I noticed that the Album was updated within a couple of hours.



In short, in order to judge activity in a gens, is
using the number of Capite Censi members versus the number of Rural
tribe members as a good gauge?



Sulla: One could use that method to determine an active gens. However, if I was applying to join Nova Roma today what I would do is to email 4-5 Pater/Mater familiae and start up conversations with them. See how you like them.how you get along with them, if they even respond. J


2) I live in Hawaii and can't seem to find anyone else in the area on
the list and it doesn't appear that it is included in the color map
of the different Provinciae. Any suggestions there?



Sulla: Hawaii is informally apart of California, if I recall correctly.



3) Though I may be new to you, I've read all those years of posts,
some of you have been posting that whole time, so it doesn't seem you
are all new to me. Any suggestions on a good way to choose a gens?



Sulla: Email the Paters/Maters and individuals who are already gens members. If you enjoy the correspondence chances are you will enjoy the gens. J


Activity is one way, but I don't want to get lost in a big gens that
may not be very cohesive.



Sulla: Big does not mean its not cohesive, being Paterfamilias of the largest gens in Nova Roma I can tell you that. J



I'm interested in many aspects of Roman
life and culture, with the exception of actual fighting, though
strategy I do like, and would like to join a gens with a similar
spread of interest.



Sulla: That's great. I hope you find a gens that is a perfect fit for you.


Thanks for your time everyone and I hope to have a proper name soon.



Sulla: Good luck and happy gens hunting.



Respectfully,



Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix


Christy aka Nemo the Newbie :)






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Hello race fans! Welcome to the final race of the Ludi Florales Circensis!

Today's race pits the winners of the four semifinal races against each other.
Three teams from praesina battle it out for the glory of the green against
one lone representative of albata. Russata and veneta are out of the
contest now, leaving only green and white.

Taking the pole position in today's race we see the defending champion
from last year's Ludi Florales, the green chariot Essedum driven by
Italicus and owned by Manius Constantinus Serapio. Next we have
the Green Flash driven by Pugio and owned by Marcus Minucius Audens.
In the number three position we see Minotaur, driven by its owner,
Quintus Lanius Paulinus. And on the outside, the lone albata chariot,
Alea Iacta Est, driven by Aurelius and owned by Marcus Tullius Philippicae.

You remember that Aurelius surprised us all in the last race of the
semifinals, taking a surprise victory against the current champion of
praesina! Can he do it again? Whose chariot will reign supreme?!?

They're at the starting line... the drivers exchange their traditional
compliments to each other... and they're off!

Streaking down the front stretch it's green, green, and green with
white closing up the rear! It looks like... yes, it's the Green
Flash out in front, followed by Essedum and Into the
first turn... and now they're clear and coming down the backstretch.
Now the Minotaur is challenging Essedum early, coming up on the inside.
As they approach the near turn Minotaur has edged Essedum away from
the inside lane... and now they're into the turn! It's Green Flash,
Minotaur, Essedum, and Alea Iacta Est at the end of the first lap!

Now the Alea Iacta Est swings wide and begins a charge. This is
exactly what we saw in the semifinals when Aurelius won his
upset victory there. A charge down the straightaway at every
opportunity, with wide swings on the corners, trading the loss
of speed there for the greater forward momentum he gains from
his headlong charges. But can his team answer again today?
They ran like the wind earlier. Will they be up to another race
like their last one?

Into the far turn, Aurelius has overtaken Italicus now...
It's still Green Flash in front followed closely by
Minotaur... Paulinus is really hugging the inside rail
as he rounds the turns... Now in the backstretch the white
chariot charges again! Approaching the near turn Aurelius
has drawn even with the Minotaur, but has to give way now
as they round the turn... At the end of two laps it's still
the Green Flash in front, followed by Minotaur, Alea Iacta Est,
and Essedum.

Once again Alea Iacta Est charges forward, gaining on the Minotaur.
They're even.... and now the white chariot has overtaken the green
Minotaur! Into the far turn, it's Green Flash, Alea Iacta Est,
Minotaur, and Essedum!

You have to wonder what's going through the mind of owner
Manius Constantinus Serapio right now folks. His is the defending
champion chariot and right now it's running dead last two and a
half laps into this race!

Into the near turn again... the order is the same still, though as
they break onto the straightaway Alea Iacta Est starts to move up
on the leader, the Green Flash! Aurelius is really giving us a
display of great driving skill today, the way he's handling his
white chariot and winning team! And Yes! He's taken the lead!
Going into the far turn the white team is in the lead! We're
halfway through this race and the excitement is palpable!

Down the backstretch Aurelius is extending his lead, still driving
his team hard in the straightaways. Pugio in the Green Flash is
behind him, driving his own race... with the Minotaur coming up
on the inside and Essedum still in the rear... Into the turn
Paulinus is hugging the wall, throwing sparks from the Minotaur's
wheel hubs! And at the end of four it's the white Alea Iacta Est
in the lead, followed by Minotaur, the Green Flash, and Essedum.

Now the white Alea Iacta Est is all alone out in front, still
adding to his lead... the Minotaur is hugging the inside of
the track, and it looks like Paulinus is going to try to pick
up the slack in the turn again... Yes! They're in the turn,
the white chariot going wide again while Paulinus hugs the wall!
Behind them the Green Flash and Essedum complete the turn...

Coming down the backstretch in the last half of this fifth lap
Aurelius continues to drive his horses for all they'll give him.
But his team seems to have lost its stride... They're still in
front, but they're clearly not able to give him the extra kick
that they gave in the earlier laps... The Minotaur is moving
up as they approach the near turn... and now the Minotaur has
taken the lead! Coming out of the turn at the end of five it's
Minotaur, Alea Iacta Est, the Green Flash, and Essedum!

What's this?!? It looks like the Green Flash is in trouble
now. Pugio is leaning back on the reins, slowing his team to
a canter as Essedum swings wide past him. And now we can see
a bent wheel on the inside hub of the Green Flash chariot as
Pugio drives slowly off the track. What a tough break for
a great team and driver! But we know he'll be back. Let's
have a big hand for Pugio as he leaves the field today!

Around the far corner Minotaur is still in the lead, and
now Essedum has overtaken Alea Iacta Est. The white chariot
is really flagging now, and the horses are clearly winded.
I think Aurelius is out of it for today folks... this race
is going to come down to a contest between the hard charging
Paulinus in Minotaur and the patient professionalism of
Italicus, who is still quite definitely in this race, defending
his championship from last year...

And at the end of six it's Minotaur, Essedum, and Alea Iacta Est
in a now distant third place!

Into the final lap now, Italicus shakes his reins loose and gives
his horses their heads... and oh do they respond! What a sight
this is folks! The Essedum team thunders up the track! Can
Minotaur hold on? Will Essedum win after all? Inquiring minds
want to know!!!

Around the far turn the Minotaur holds close to the wall as
we've seen all through this race. Essedum is right behind him...
and now they're clear and really racing!

AND DOWN THE STRETCH THEY COME!

It's Essedum on the outside, coming up fast! He's overtaken the
Minotaur and his horses are flying! Two lengths! Two and a half!
Now into the last turn... he will not be caught! He's clear and
there he goes! At the finish it's Essedum all alone! The defending
champion has done it! Italicus has shown us his stuff here today!
Congratulations to Italicus and to a proud owner, Manius Constantinus
Serapio!

That's it from track side. Again, the final results of today's
Ludi Florales Circensis are: Winner, Essedum; 2nd place goes to
Minotaur, 3rd place to Alea Iacta Est, and 4th to the Green Flash,
which had to leave the course due to a bent wheel.

A. Apollonius Cordus to L. Quintius Constantius and
all citizens and peregrines, greetings.

I can't fully answer the question, but I'll say what I
know. Augustus, as part of an overhaul of the Senate
and a codification of its procedures in the lex Iulia
de senatu somethingorother (sorry, I'm away from my
books!), officially fixed the days of Senate meetings
for the first time.

I'm not certain how closely he followed traditional
practice on this point - in general he changed little,
but I suspect that before this law the Senate's
meeting-times were a bit more flexible, since it could
essentially be convened by certain magistrates
whenever they wanted (provided it was a day suitable
for public business). Even Augustus wasn't too strict
about it - he let most Senators off meetings during
the holidays. :)

I'm sure someone else can supply a fuller answer.

Cordus

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Salvete, omnes.

The letter below was sent to me as the webmaster, I thought I'd forward
it to let our linguists have a go at it. Since I like making a fool of
myself in public, I'd guess that the name she's asking about, cumpian,
is either latin for something like "at the holy time" (cumpiam) or
italian for "with ease", or "slowly". Please let me (And her) know
what's really up. ;)

Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.

Cynthia Gallaher <swimmer53 @ yahoo.com> wrote:

> Enjoying your website! I have a question about Latin
> word meanings.
>
> My husband's last name is Cumpian, and we've been
> running around in circles trying to find out what the
> name means. He is of Spanish origin, but someone told
> us it is a very old name and of Latin origin. I've
> also heard an Italian version of the name: Cumpiano. I
> realize "cum" means "with," but what about the "pian"
> part. We've toyed with "bread" -- "piety" --
> "company/friendship" and recently "piano" as meanings,
> the latter also suggested in one of your forum
> e-mails. "With piano?" Not sure.
>
> I also found out "pian" can be written as "pianum." I
> learned that the "Sodalitium Pianum" is a secret
> Vatican society meaning "Solidarity of Pius." Does
> that suggest the "piety" meaning?
>
> I'd greatly appreciate your help -- or at least your
> educated guess.
>
> In a dither!
>
> Best,
> Cynthia Gallaher-Cumpian

Salve Tite,

I checked around a little. The name Cumpian is from Spain looks like
its Basque. If that is so, it is much older than Latin and very
difficult to relate to other Indo-European languages. Some
authorities say the language is more than 10,000 years old and may
have come from Neanderthal routes.

Regards - Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Kristoffer From <from@d...> wrote:
> Salvete, omnes.
>
> The letter below was sent to me as the webmaster, I thought I'd
forward
> it to let our linguists have a go at it. Since I like making a fool
of
> myself in public, I'd guess that the name she's asking about,
cumpian,
> is either latin for something like "at the holy time" (cumpiam) or
> italian for "with ease", or "slowly". Please let me (And her) know
> what's really up. ;)
>
> Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.
>
> Cynthia Gallaher <swimmer53 @ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Enjoying your website! I have a question about Latin
> > word meanings.
> >
> > My husband's last name is Cumpian, and we've been
> > running around in circles trying to find out what the
> > name means. He is of Spanish origin, but someone told
> > us it is a very old name and of Latin origin. I've
> > also heard an Italian version of the name: Cumpiano. I
> > realize "cum" means "with," but what about the "pian"
> > part. We've toyed with "bread" -- "piety" --
> > "company/friendship" and recently "piano" as meanings,
> > the latter also suggested in one of your forum
> > e-mails. "With piano?" Not sure.
> >
> > I also found out "pian" can be written as "pianum." I
> > learned that the "Sodalitium Pianum" is a secret
> > Vatican society meaning "Solidarity of Pius." Does
> > that suggest the "piety" meaning?
> >
> > I'd greatly appreciate your help -- or at least your
> > educated guess.
> >
> > In a dither!
> >
> > Best,
> > Cynthia Gallaher-Cumpian

Greetings citizens! As we conclude the Ludi Florales, I'm pleased to
announce the victors in the Ludi Florales Trivia Contest and the
Ludi Florales Circensis.

The winner of the Ludi Florales Trivia Contest is Gaius Iulius Scaurus.
Congratulations to Gaius Iulius Scaurus for a masterful demonstration
of Roman expertise.

The winner of the Ludi Florales Circensis, for the second year in a row,
is Manius Constantinus Serapio. Once again, Serapio's chariot Essedum,
representing the Praesina team, emerged triumphant. Fortuna has a
favorite, it would seem; and his name is Serapio.

This concludes the Ludi Florales awards.

-- ex officio
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile

-----Original Message-----
From : Quintus Lanius Paulinus <mjk@...>
Date : 06 May 2003 19:51:53
Subject : [Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: Cumpian is Latin?

>
>I checked around a little. The name Cumpian is from Spain looks like
>its Basque. If that is so, it is much older than Latin and very
>difficult to relate to other Indo-European languages. Some
>authorities say the language is more than 10,000 years old and may
>have come from Neanderthal routes.
>

It doesn't sound very Latin! If it is and there is an Italian connection with Piano then it must be Cum Plano meaning something like with the flat or with smooth, which is possible but a bit contrived. I can see how smooth could come to mean small or quiet but not exactly what that would mean! If it's Spain, maybe it's Arabic.
Caesariensis.


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Salve Quinte Lani,

Indeed Basque is apperently unrelated to any Indo-European language but it probably didn't come though Neanderthal routs since no evidence was ever found that the Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal subspecies interbred. Most biologists appear to believe, by the way, that the Neanderthal peoples didn't even have languages, or in any case not as complex as ours due to the way their laryngeal and pharyngeal cavities were constructed.

Sorry. Linguistic idiocy going rampant here. Geek pride! ;)

Vale bene,
M. Octavius Solaris


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete Quirites; et salve, Tite Octavi.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Kristoffer From <from@d...> wrote:
> Salvete, omnes.
>
> The letter below was sent to me as the webmaster, I thought I'd
> forward it to let our linguists have a go at it. Since I like
> making a fool of myself in public, I'd guess that the name she's
> asking about, cumpian, is either latin for something like "at the
> holy time" (cumpiam) or italian for "with ease", or "slowly".
> Please let me (And her) know what's really up. ;)
>
> Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.
>
> Cynthia Gallaher <swimmer53 @ yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Enjoying your website! I have a question about Latin
> > word meanings.
> >
> > My husband's last name is Cumpian, and we've been
> > running around in circles trying to find out what the
> > name means. He is of Spanish origin, but someone told
> > us it is a very old name and of Latin origin. I've
> > also heard an Italian version of the name: Cumpiano. I
> > realize "cum" means "with," but what about the "pian"
> > part. We've toyed with "bread" -- "piety" --
> > "company/friendship" and recently "piano" as meanings,
> > the latter also suggested in one of your forum
> > e-mails. "With piano?" Not sure.
> >
> > I also found out "pian" can be written as "pianum." I
> > learned that the "Sodalitium Pianum" is a secret
> > Vatican society meaning "Solidarity of Pius." Does
> > that suggest the "piety" meaning?
> >
> > I'd greatly appreciate your help -- or at least your
> > educated guess.
> >
> > In a dither!
> >
> > Best,
> > Cynthia Gallaher-Cumpian

I have been thinking about the surname "Cumpian". I have never heard
it before (and I have heard a few Spanish surnames :-) ).

I would like to know if this is the correct spelling-pronunciation of
that surname. If the surname arrived to the Americas a long time ago
it might have suffered some phonetical or ortographical changes.
Perhaps it does come from Spanish surnames like Campan, Canpla or
Company (the last one would be pronounced in a way very similar
to "coom-PINE").

-----Original Message-----
From : Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@...>

>
>I would like to know if this is the correct spelling-pronunciation of
>that surname. If the surname arrived to the Americas a long time ago
>it might have suffered some phonetical or ortographical changes.
>Perhaps it does come from Spanish surnames like Campan, Canpla or
>Company (the last one would be pronounced in a way very similar
>to “coom-PINE“).
>
>When I first saw it, I misread it as the flower Campion or Campian. Maybe that is the answer. Pronunciations and spellings in the past were somewhat variable in the past and it may have come into a Spanish family from English and acquired a variant pronunciation. I think the original is in fact Latin, probably Campianum, field-flower and I belive it had some herbalist use.

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Thanks for the quick response and for the article it will most likely be
the lead article in the June issue

Vale

Tiberius

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Salve M. Octavi,

I got that Basque/ Neanderthal data from Berlitz book of native
tongues and it was mentioned on Discovery magazine articles before.
Well I guess there are about 10 different theories about this
language but they all say it predated Latin and is anywhere from
3000 - 10,000 years + in age.

Regards,

Quintus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Octavius Solaris"
<scorpioinvictus@h...> wrote:

> Salve Quinte Lani,
>
> Indeed Basque is apperently unrelated to any Indo-European language

but it probably didn't come though Neanderthal routs since no
evidence was ever found that the Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal
subspecies interbred. Most biologists appear to believe, by the way,
that the Neanderthal peoples didn't even have languages, or in any
case not as complex as ours due to the way their laryngeal and
pharyngeal cavities were constructed.

>
> Sorry. Linguistic idiocy going rampant here. Geek pride! ;)
>
> Vale bene,
> M. Octavius Solaris
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "M. Octavius Solaris"
<scorpioinvictus@h...> wrote:

> Salve Quinte Lani,
>
> Indeed Basque is apperently unrelated to any Indo-European language

but it probably didn't come though Neanderthal routs since no
evidence was ever found that the Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal
subspecies interbred. Most biologists appear to believe, by the way,
that the Neanderthal peoples didn't even have languages, or in any
case not as complex as ours due to the way their laryngeal and
pharyngeal cavities were constructed.

>
> Sorry. Linguistic idiocy going rampant here. Geek pride! ;)
>
> Vale bene,
> M. Octavius Solaris
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete omnes,

My compliments to the victors, Gaius Illuius Scaurus of the Ludi
Florales Trivia and once again,Manius Constantinus Serapio who won
the Ludi Flores Circences.

The trivia questions required a good knowledge of Ancient Rome and I
am greatly content that thanks to Serapio's great tactics, our green
team still reigns supreme!

A special thanks to Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, a champion of the day in
his own right! Never have I heard such a tremendous lap by lap
description of the chariot race and anyone following the race would
have recieved a great coloful picture in his mind as if he was
watching the Ben - Hur race in the theatre. Well done!

Respectfully,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Bill Gawne <gawne@c...> wrote:
> Greetings citizens! As we conclude the Ludi Florales, I'm pleased
toie
> announce the victors in the Ludi Florales Trivia Contest and the
> Ludi Florales Circensis.
>
> The winner of the Ludi Florales Trivia Contest is Gaius Iulius
Scaurus.
> Congratulations to Gaius Iulius Scaurus for a masterful
demonstration
> of Roman expertise.
>
> The winner of the Ludi Florales Circensis, for the second year in a
row,
> is Manius Constantinus Serapio. Once again, Serapio's chariot
Essedum,
> representing the Praesina team, emerged triumphant. Fortuna has a
> favorite, it would seem; and his name is Serapio.
>
> This concludes the Ludi Florales awards.
>
> -- ex officio
> Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> Curule Aedile

G. Iulius Scaurus L. Quintio Constantio salutem dicit.

Salve, L. Quinti.

According to Cicero (_ad Quintum Fratrem_, ii.13), the republican
senate regularly met on the calendae, nonae, and idus of every month,
while special meetings could be convened by the curule magistrates and
tribunes of the people at any other time which did not coincide with a
meeting of the comitia or dies nefasti (ibid., ii.2).

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salvete Christy omnesque

> I'm still new to this forum and reluctant to post since I haven't
> got a formal name yet.

As has been mentioned before, everyone is welcome to post here. Feel
free to jump on in.

> Before tending my application, I wanted to do
> a bit of research and now I have a couple more questions. I have read
> the entire forum archives from 1998 to present and read a good bit of
> the info in the Tabularium, however choosing a gens to apply to, and
> consequently a name, has been difficult.

Well, my primary advice is a combination of that given by D Iunius and L
Cornelius. Choose a name which means something or appeals to you. And,
contact a number of patres et matres familias off-list and strike up a
conversation with them. If you're after a gens in which you can
particiapate, and it certainly seems that you are, then you'll want one
that feels comfortable to you from the standpoint both of name and of
people.

> 1) I did a full rundown of all the gentes listed on the Album
> Gentium. Most of the families consist of one member with that person
> being Capite Censi and in an urban tribe. Does this mean that they
> have neither paid dues or voted recently?

Yes. Cives who do not pay their taxes have the status of capite censi.
Cives who do not vote in the December elections are placed in the
urban tribus.

> If so, how often is this status updated.

There's a large update of tribal status that happens shortly after the
December elections, of course. Then, as cives pay their taxes, they are
declared assidui as soon as the quaestores update our citizen database.
That usually happens within twenty-four hours of the receipt of the
taxes. And, since taxes can be paid at any time during the year, this
can happen at any time.

> In short, in order to judge activity in a gens, is using the number of
> Capite Censi members versus the number of Rural tribe members as a good
> gauge?

Yes, though not absolutely so. Members of the assidui are certainly
likely to be active Novoromani. However, there are a fair number of
active cives who choose not to vote or pay taxes. I'd take it as a good
rule of thumb, rather than a hard and fast rule. My advice is to use it
as a starting place and move to contacting the patres et matres familias
of those gentes that appeal to you from there.

> (By the way, I have the entire list of gentes with that info written
> down if anyone is interested in the stats).

You've certainly spent a lot of time researching the Web site! That's
commendable dedication.

> 2) I live in Hawaii and can't seem to find anyone else in the area on
> the list and it doesn't appear that it is included in the color map
> of the different Provinciae. Any suggestions there?

Hawaii is informally under the jurisdiction of the governor of
California. Currently, that's Q Fabius Maximus (qfabiusmaxmi@...).

> 3) Though I may be new to you, I've read all those years of posts,
> some of you have been posting that whole time, so it doesn't seem you
> are all new to me. Any suggestions on a good way to choose a gens?

I hope what I've given you above helps. The key is to find a group
that's comfortable to you. Also, be sure to check out the various gens
and personal Web sites that are available through the Album Civium.
They can be a valuable window into a gens.

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus
--
May pre house the seamy side volitation!!!

Ave Omnes!

Well, I let the tax date slide on by before I got my
act together....however! I mailed my taxes with the
50% late fee, rounded up to the highest dollar, on
Monday (the 5th). I would have emailed just the
quaestores, but I can't find their collective address
(does such an address exist?).

But it's perhaps better this way, to get the message
out to those who I tenuously know and all that I -
Decimus the background Roman project do-er guy,
CaptaInactive (though I follow the lists always), has
paid his taxes for the first time since their
inception. If I can do it, we all can! (assuming
funding available).

Anyway, good wishes to all and valete for now!

=====
Decimus Antoninius Aquitanius Organbidexka

______________________________________________________________________
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Salvete,

Since I got a couple of requests for the stats I did while
researching all the Gentes to find just the right Gens (still
looking), I thought I would post the most relevant ones here.

Yes, I do know there has been talk over the years about Gens
reform, and I don't want to start it up again, but I thought it was
interesting the way the numbers came out. If anyone wants the copy of
the Excel workbook, just let me know and I'll be happy to forward it
for your inspection.

Total Registered Gentes = 415
Gentes with only 1 member = 197 (47.5% of the total Gentes)
Gentes with only 1 member where that member is both in an Urban tribe
and Capite Censi = 183 (44.1% of the total Gentes)
Gentes where, regardless of number of members, all cives are listed
as both in an Urban tribe and Capite Censi = 237 (57.1% of the total
Gentes)
Gentes listed that, regardless of the number of members, have all
cives listed as in an Urban tribe = 321 (77.3% of the total Gentes)

Obviously, these numbers are taken with a 2 day snapshot in time,
and the list has probably changed in the last few days. Also, I
counted those listed as "Assidui(New)" as a separate category of
Assidui, but still Assidui, since I wasn't absolutely clear on those.
Some joined in 2001 but are still listed as such. Also, I
counted "Assidui2002" as Assidui because of the grace period
previously noted on the board. Minors don't count against anyone's
Assidui/Capite Censi count since they are listed that way on the
rolls.


Vale,

Christy aka Nemo the Newbie

>
> Yes. Cives who do not pay their taxes have the status of capite

censi.

> Cives who do not vote in the December elections are placed in the
> urban tribus.
>
>

Salve Tite Foortunate,

With respect to the above, I notice that I am in an Urban Tribe
Collina. I did cast my vote in the December election so should I be
in a rural tribe at this point or do the tribe adjustments take a few
months to go down the line? Taxes are all paid up.

Respectfully, Quintus Lanius Paulinus (4043)

Salve

M. Octavius Solaris

Said Sorry. Linguistic idiocy going rampant here. Geek pride! ;)

What's this crap about GREEK pride I thought we we here to show our love
for Rome and our Roman pride! :< )

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: "M. Octavius Solaris" <scorpioinvictus@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 2:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: Cumpian is Latin?


> Salve Quinte Lani,
>
> Indeed Basque is apperently unrelated to any Indo-European language but it
probably didn't come though Neanderthal routs since no evidence was ever
found that the Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal subspecies interbred. Most
biologists appear to believe, by the way, that the Neanderthal peoples
didn't even have languages, or in any case not as complex as ours due to the
way their laryngeal and pharyngeal cavities were constructed.
>
> Sorry. Linguistic idiocy going rampant here. Geek pride! ;)
>
> Vale bene,
> M. Octavius Solaris
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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I would like to appoligize to those that i may have offended i was
out of line with someone i had no reason to be upset with when i
withdrew from the group. However i will not appologize for my beliefs
nor those of IR. There are those of you who would like to demonize us
or poke fun at us but we take our mission seriously and do not
appreciate those that would make fun. We should be brothers in the
quest for a rebirth of rome and would achieve much more if we could
at least maintain a civil relationship and respect each other. I
realize that our goals may differ in areas but some of you might like
what we are working for and like to join us some may not i have no
ill feeling towards those that do not agree with us you have a right
to your views but what i ask is that you respect those who would go
our way because we respect those that will go your way.

Thank you

Decimus Marius Octavian
Centurion,Legio Ivliana

G. Iulius Scaurus Q. Lanio Paulino salutem dicit.

Salve, Q. Lani.

Thank you for your kind words.

I would like to second your praise of Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, who has
conducted these Ludi magnificently.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus

G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Salvete, omnes.

Caesariensis scripsit:

> When I first saw it, I misread it as the flower Campion or Campian.

Maybe that is the >.answer. Pronunciations and spellings in the past
were somewhat variable in the past and >it may have come into a
Spanish family from English and acquired a variant >pronunciation. I
think the original is in fact Latin, probably Campianum, field-flower
and >I belive it had some herbalist use.

I don't think its likely to originate from campianum, since that would
require the atonic a before two consonants to weaken to e to i and
thence to u. It is possible in the movement from classical to late
vulgar Latin and thence to the Romance languages that something like
that occurred in this case, but that is a very large supposition
without a great deal more evidence. I checked Du Cange's _Glossarium_
for an apposite medieval example, but found none, which militates
against the argument. Roger Wright's translation and expansion of
Jozef Herman's _Vulgar Latin_ may have some relevant examples, but I
don't recall any.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus

G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here is a large selection of images and texts from the new edition of
the _Corpus Inscriptionum Latinarum, vol. II: Inscriptiones Hispaniae
Latinae_:

http://www2.uah.es/imagines_cilii/

The site is a collaborative effort of the Centro CIL II of the
Universidad de Alcal and the Deutsches ArchŠologisches Institut.
Instructions at the site are available in Spanish, German, and English.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salve, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus:

Cool! How do I subscribe?

-- Lucius Aeneas Apollonius Nauta


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> Salve Lucius Aeneas Apollonius Nauta
>
>Thanks for the quick response andnbsp; for the article it will most likely be
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>
>Vale
>
>Tiberius
>
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Salve Omnes:

I've heard talk about the Latin/Basque connection before, but there seems to be a more solid linguistic connection between Latin and the Celtic languages. Both apparently resemble each other more than either resembles anything else.

For example, in Old Irish, "seanad" means "a gathering of wise old men". Which of course is what "senate" means in Latin.


Vale,

Lucius Aeneas Apollonius Nauta

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>M. Octavius Solaris
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>Vale
>
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>probably didn't come though Neanderthal routs since no evidence was ever
>found that the Cro-Magnon and Neanderthal subspecies interbred. Most
>biologists appear to believe, by the way, that the Neanderthal peoples
>didn't even have languages, or in any case not as complex as ours due to the
>way their laryngeal and pharyngeal cavities were constructed.
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Cives Spectati Omnes

Here is the definitive solution to Cumpian's mistery!

Yes, our respectable citizen Lucius Nauta got it.

Mislead were the ones who looked through Latin for solving the enigma.
To those peolple I shall underline a few points.

The "Sodalitium Pianum" that somebody mentioned is NOT a vatican secret society.
It WAS an official branch of the Vatican, whose members worked as secret agents in order to fight against the forces that were menacing the integrity of the Catholic faith from the inside of the Vatican.
Its members devoted themselves to hunt freemasons, protestants, jews and everyone supporting the so called MODERNISM, a kind of renovation the Church regarded as erethical. Its members worked undercover and reported directly to the Pope through its founder Monsignor Umberto Benigni or Cardinal Gaetano De Lai.
It was called Pianum NOT because it was pious, but because it 's been founded under the pontificate of Saint Pius X: pianum as adjective from the Pope's name Pius.



But let's come to Cumpian.
Lucius Nauta is totally right. Cumpian is a CELTIC name. In moder Irish Gaelic the word "CUMANN" means friendship; or, saying "a chumann" (the letter H is only phonetical, not ethimological) you say:" My darling".

Now the question is: being evident that cumann is very similar to company, that cumann translates company too, and the latin ethimology of Company is evident: cum-panis, that is to say sharing bread, is the word Cumann, of which the proper name Cumian, Cummian or Cummin is the celtic derivation and Cumpian is the anglicized version, coming straight from Latin or is simply similar because of the common Indoeuropean roots?

My answer is, the word Cumann is too much derived from a latin Hapax to be genuine celtic stock.
It simply is the celtic pronunciation of a Latin word. In Ireland this originated a proper name for people, and in Ireland only.
I don't know if our Cumpian is a Catholic, probably not, but we have a christian gens in NR after all.
So if eventually Catholic he can choose to feast his name-day either the 9 of June or the 12 of november.

June the 9: Saint Cumian of Bobbio, a benedictine bishop, resided in Italy but was an Irishman, as it's clear from his name. He spent his life fighting against the Celtic structure of bisopry in favor of the Roman one and died around 700 in Bobbio, Italy.

November the 12: Saint Cummian the Fada, as name nd nickname underline, was an Irishman and was at every evidence very tall. Fada today still means LONG. He was the son of FIACHNA, the king of West Munster around the end of VI century. He made himself a monk, then he founded an abbey called KILCUMMIN: cill is the Irish for Church. He strongly fought as his subsequent omonyme against the Celtic way of administrating the Church and was the strongest enemy of Iona for this reason until he died around 665.

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Ave!

You would want to contact the Censors. They will be able to assist you in this area. Their email is censors@....

Vale,

Sulla

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>
> Yes. Cives who do not pay their taxes have the status of capite
censi.
> Cives who do not vote in the December elections are placed in the
> urban tribus.
>
>
Salve Tite Foortunate,

With respect to the above, I notice that I am in an Urban Tribe
Collina. I did cast my vote in the December election so should I be
in a rural tribe at this point or do the tribe adjustments take a few
months to go down the line? Taxes are all paid up.

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Thanks Lucius. I'll do just that.

QLP

Ave!

Sure no problem. Good luck.

Vale,

Sulla

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I have a couple of questions I hope can be answered by the group.

Firstly, do I have to join a Gens or is it possible to remain a citizen at
large?

Secondly, if I have to join a Gens and can't decide on which one to join how
long do I have to decide on which one to join?

Thirdly, and this question is for those in Queensland Australia, is there a
group where a person can get training as or experience life as a member of
the Legions?

Lastly, I see a lot of discussion on Taxation here, but could someone tell
me how much the taxes are per year and when they have to be paid by?

Thankyou,

Dan

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Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 6:50 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Greetings and salutations from another newbie


I have a couple of questions I hope can be answered by the group.

Firstly, do I have to join a Gens or is it possible to remain a citizen at
large?

Sulla: You can join a gens or found a new one. When I was Censor (2000-2001) if you wanted to create a new gens you needed to supply proof that the gens you are founding was historically accurate and that the gens you are founding does not already exist. You can check with the Censors office to get their requirements in founding a new gens.

Secondly, if I have to join a Gens and can't decide on which one to join how
long do I have to decide on which one to join?

Sulla: There is no time limit. You can take all the time you need to find a gens that is a right fit for you.

Thirdly, and this question is for those in Queensland Australia, is there a
group where a person can get training as or experience life as a member of
the Legions?

Sulla: Sorry, I am not in Australia, but I do believe there is a provincia group for residencts of that provincia. Please feel free to browse www.yahoogroups.com to sign up.

Lastly, I see a lot of discussion on Taxation here, but could someone tell
me how much the taxes are per year and when they have to be paid by?

Sulla: The tax is 12.00 (American) and from fee it is tiered based on monetary conversion rates for other countries.

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

Thankyou,

Dan

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Salve Lucius Aeneas Apollonius Nauta


You send $20.00 US to: The Eagle
5496 Ross Court
New Market Maryland 21774

If you send me by e-mail your Name and address I will send you the back
issues before I get you check.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
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Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 1:39 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A Rhetorical Study of Virgil's Aeneid as Popular
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> >Tiberius
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> >----- Original Message -----
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Salve Dan

> Firstly, do I have to join a Gens or is it possible to remain a citizen at
> large?

You must belong to a gens. However, it's possible to start a gens of your own,
so you don't have to join an existing one.

> Secondly, if I have to join a Gens and can't decide on which one to join how
> long do I have to decide on which one to join?

You have as much time as you need.

> Thirdly, and this question is for those in Queensland Australia, is there a
> group where a person can get training as or experience life as a member of
> the Legions?
>
> Lastly, I see a lot of discussion on Taxation here, but could someone tell
> me how much the taxes are per year and when they have to be paid by?

The tax for Australian cives is 14.00 AUD, which works out to 8.48 USD. You
can pay at any time. However, you'll be listed as one of the capite censi
until you do so, which means that you won't be able to hold any office and
you're vote in any ballot will count for less than the votes of taxpayers.
Everything you need to know about taxation can be found here:

http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/edicts/consul-2003-03-03-i.htm

You should also feel free to contact me privately if you still have questions
after reading the information provided at that location.

Vale
T Labienus Fortunatus

PBS showed a Roman Legionnaire segment on Warrior Challenge last night. For those who have not been following this show, it is a form of reality TV wherein a number of modern professionals from the military or protective services are stripped of their 20th century clothes and equipment and put into training as Vikings, knights, or Roman Legionnaires. The episode last night had four USAF NCOs and four British Emergency Services policemen and firemen go through training as 2nd century legionnaires at the Arbeia and Vindolanda forts in northern Britain.
We watched as they were given their tunics, sandals, and scarves; then armor, helmets, military belts, weapons, shields, and packs. Most of the gear consisted of mail or segmentata, legionary rectangular scuta, gladii, pili, and Gallic type helmets. The were given marching packs with mess kits and tools. Most of the gear was familiar to these 20th century soldiers until they were issued their spongium; a fist-sized piece of sponge attached to a stick. The QM said, "one spongium per contuberium (squad). They were somewhat confused by it.
They were put through their marching drill by John Walland, a British expert on ancient combat, acting as an optio. Being soldiers and BES, they marched well and quickly caught on to the Latin commands. They began to show their ignorance when it came to drill with pilum, gladius (rudus), and scutum. John showed them how to cast the pilum in open order: first rank casting and then drawing their gladii, while the second rank then cast, drew, and moved up with the front rank to form a solid line of shields. Apart from some fumbling and dropping by one of the Brits, things went rather well. It was during this period, that John explained to the modern milites what the spongium was used for. The reaction of one of the Americans was, "I'm not having any of that."
The men broke ranks after a grueling first day and retired to their barracks, stowed their kits, and prepare dinner--bacon (fatback), hardtack, and a stew of meat, beans, and lentils flavored with salt, garlic, and oil. While dinner was being prepared, two of the African-Americans were taken to the museum and shown that it was possible that black troops (or dark-skinned troops, at least) had served on Hadrian's Wall. On of the 20th century experts toured the Vindolanda Museum with David Birley, who showed him some of the Vindolanda tablets and spoke about the items bought, issued, or shipped to Vindolanda during the 2nd and 3rd centuries, including socks, underwear, and large amounts of food. When he returned to the legionnaires, he brought a welcome gift of gray wool socks to the troops. One of the Americans celebrated his 30th birthday with his fellows legionnaires with a toast of posca.
The troops spend a restless night in their unheated barracks sleeping on a wide shelf layered with straw. At first, the troops were hesitant about being too close to each other but as the night wore on, they snuggled for warmth and transferred their extra socks to their hands. On rising, one of the soldiers passed around a jar of Roman toothpaste, suggesting that some of his fellow soldiers needed it rather badly.
While the troops rose and began to prepare for their day, one of the Brits found a good use for the spongium and was seen on camera scrubbing out the dishes from dinner. I could just hear some old Roman soldier saying, "Hey, what are you doing? I use that thing on my a**!"
The legionnaires had more training that day which led to some minor injuries to the hands but was well received. Then came the hard part, the 20 Roman mile (18 modern mile) march in full kit. This was a real learning experience for everyone including the experts as the legionnaires had to balance their packs and pili on their right shoulder and carrying their shields with their left arms while wearing armor, cloaks, weapons, and helmets strapped to their chests. The pace was about three modern miles per hour with 10 minute breaks every hour. During the march, one soldier had to discard his too tight lorica segmentata because it was cutting into his armpits. Another had to discard part of his caligula sole because it had broken loose. Another had to keep readjusting his pilum and pack because it slipped down his shoulder. After about 7 or 8 hours, the troops arrived at the taverna and bath house where they could take a break with some wine, gambling, and women. One of the BES firemen said that the company of a woman after two days with men was something he had been looking forward to.
On the third day, the troops had to lug a ballista a half-mile or so to the reconstucted turf and stone wall segments at Vindolanda. The original legions had 60 of these crewed by three men each. The mission for this day was the challenge--three events to test what the troops had learned in their three days together. The teams were the Americans vs. the British.
The first test was customs duty. Each team had to search a group of reenactors dressed as civilians and confiscate all the contraband items that they were trying to get into the fort. The Americans won this trial and were awarded an extra pilum for the pilum throw.
The American threw first and missed, followed by the Brit who missed, and so on until the American finally put his last pilum into the straw target. This meant that on the third challenge--the Gate Attack--the Americans would not be shot at by an archer above the gate.
The Americans attacked first. They stormed through the gate and broke past the British soldiers. One of their number sprinted into the tower, up the stairs, and onto the rampart where he seized a ballista bolt and threw it to his comrades in the courtyard. The bolt was loosed from the ballista and the clock stopped: 1 minute, 16 seconds.
The Brits started by forming a tesudo (shield-wall) that stopped the arrow but slowed them down. They rushed the gate and crashed through the Americans like they weren't even there (I guess rugby and soccer do pay off) and charged the tower entrance. One soldier fell but his comrade went right over him and was up the stairs in an instance and tossed the bolt into the courtyard. The bolt was loosed and the total time was clocked at:




1 minute, 20 seconds!

The archer had made all the difference. All eight of the milites were good sports and parted company as friends. All agreed that this had been a great experience (but not one they would ever do again). Theo, an American NCO, said that after 20 years with the USAF he believed that he could have served 25 years with the Emperor's legions.

F Gal Aur Sec

Salvete Romani,

Although factio Albata did not win these ludi Floreales - the presence of the Greens was overwhelmingly strong - I would like to congratulate all drivers who participated and put up a very good show. Sadly enough I was too late to send my own driver thundering down the racing tracks but I can assure you that, just like Ah-nuld, he'll be back ;).

In any case, keep up the good work and never lose faith, mi albati! :)

Valete bene,
M. Octavius Solaris
Dominus factionis


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Salvete Quinte Lani et Luci Apolloni,

Paulinus scripist:
<< I got that Basque/ Neanderthal data from Berlitz book of native tongues and it was mentioned on Discovery magazine articles before. Well I guess there are about 10 different theories about this language but they all say it predated Latin and is anywhere from 3000 - 10,000 years + in age. >>

MOS: Not unlikely, since its ancestry can't be traced back. Another theory I heard is that Basque *might* be related to a few very obscure Crimean dialects which would in turn descend from a pe-Indo-European language akin to Etruscan. The evidence didn't look very convincing to me, however. I guess we'll never know.

Nauta scripsit:
<< For example, in Old Irish, "seanad" means "a gathering of wise old men". Which of course is what "senate" means in Latin. >>

MOS: Celtic and Latin languages are indeed more akin than Celtic and Germanic languages (Germanic languages, if I recall correctly, are actually more part of another group which is more related to Slavic languages). Because Celtic languages are spoken on the fringes of predominantly Germanic language areas (the UK and Ireland) this connection doesn't seem so obvious but of course two millennia back most of the area of Western Europe was Celtic (including some parts of Spain I believe... I also heard that the ancient Dacians actually had Celtic ancestry).

Optime valete!
M. Octavius Solaris



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Salvete,

I am looking to purchase a citizen tunic and toga in natural white wool.
Where is the best place tro get this, La Wren's Nest, or another vendor?

I read on the Legio XX site that a citizen who wears a toga would not wear
open sandles with it, but closed shoes. Where can I find a vendor who will
offer closed shoes? Does this mean a low ankle boot (does this suffice as a
closed shoe)?

Thank You.

Quintus Bianchius Rufinus


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Salve Q Fabius,

< > Due to delay in the beginning of the election I do hereby postpone the

> < ending of the voting in one day, so it will end on May 11th at 18:00

Rome

> < time. Thus, the voting period still is 8 days long.
> <

< Point of order. Is this an Edictum? If so, it should be declared as
such.

Due to a bit of a bump in the communication flow in NR, the cista was opened
one day late and so in order to make the election the legal minimum of 8
days, the election had to be extended by one day. Is an election
announcement an edictum or is extending the voting time by one day an
edictum? Or do you just mean that the message should have been sent
officially? Can you clarify please? Thanks!

Vale,

Diana Moravia Aventina




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Salvete Omnes,

The citizen(s) with the following voter tracking codes
has a malformed or inaccurate voter code:

# 353 and 363

Please remember to enter your code exactly as it is
given, and if you are unsure of your code, follow
the instructions posted previously to obtain your
current voter code by e-mail:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/5339

Or you may write the censors: censors @ novaroma.org

Valete,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Rogator

If voting for Modius or Geminius, it is not necessary to correct
your vote. If however, you were voting for Laenas, please correct
you vote immediately!!!!!







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<richmal@a...> wrote:

> Salvete Omnes,
>
> The citizen(s) with the following voter tracking codes
> has a malformed or inaccurate voter code:
>
> # 353 and 363
>
> Please remember to enter your code exactly as it is
> given, and if you are unsure of your code, follow
> the instructions posted previously to obtain your
> current voter code by e-mail:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/5339
>
> Or you may write the censors: censors @ novaroma.org
>
> Valete,
>
> Q. Cassius Calvus
> Rogator

In a message dated 5/7/2003 3:35:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, "gaiuspopilliuslaenas" <ksterne@...> writes:

>If voting for Modius or Geminius, it is not necessary to correct
>your vote.  If however, you were voting for Laenas, please correct
>you vote immediately!!!!!

That is a little tacky Laenas.

G. Modius Athanasius

Ave!

If you think that was tacky, you should go to the archieves and read about NR's first campaign for Tribune of the Plebs, Antonio Gryllus Graecus's campaign. :)

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

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In a message dated 5/7/2003 3:35:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, "gaiuspopilliuslaenas" <ksterne@...> writes:

>If voting for Modius or Geminius, it is not necessary to correct
>your vote. If however, you were voting for Laenas, please correct
>you vote immediately!!!!!

That is a little tacky Laenas.

G. Modius Athanasius

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Salvete Omnes et Gai Modi,

>>That is a little tacky Laenas.

G. Modius Athanasius<<


Lest anybody doubt, that was an attempt at humor.

Gaius Popillius Laenas

Salve!
Wherever you buy it, make sure that the wool threads of the tunic are very
thin and that the fabric is woven in the same way as linen. Under no
circumstances it should be felted anywhere. The fabric should be very light, actually.
Try to wear a tunic with clavi, if you find one. For the Toga the same
things shoul apply.
Vale, Caius Tarquitius Saturninus

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Salvete omnes,

For those of you who missed this program last night, there will be an encore
showing Saturday, May 10, at 4:00 pm in the New York City area.

Valete,

Gaius Lanius Falco


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Salvete Quirites; et salve, Gai Solari.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "sa-mann@l..." <sa-mann@l...> wrote:

<<snipped>>

> Now the question is: being evident that cumann is very similar to
> company, that cumann translates company too, and the latin
> ethimology of Company is evident: cum-panis, that is to say sharing
> bread [...]

If you are talking about the Catalan surname "Company", I am afraid
that the solution is simpler. In Catalan, "company"
means "companion". Phonetically, it is very similar to the Italian
word "compagno"; you just need to drop the final "o".

-----Original Message-----
From : Gregory Rose <gfr@...>
Date : 07 May 2003 08:19:51
Subject : [Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: Cumpian is Latin?

>
>
>I don't think its likely to originate from campianum, since that would
>require the atonic a before two consonants to weaken to e to i and
>thence to u. It is possible in the movement from classical to late

I'm not sure what the original of Campian or Campion is. (I am not sure of the spelling). It sounds like one of those names that has come from the herbal's Latin into common speech rather than a native name. It would be an easy matter for a variant to develop with U for weakened A (I often pronounce that sort of A as some people pronounce short E, but others use a null-U sound) and thence to be written that way or if there is a Spanish history, to come into Spanish as heard from an English original. I don't see it as coming from Latin development.

Caesariensis.


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-----Original Message-----
From : ames0826@...
Date : 07 May 2003 06:50:06

>
>For example, in Old Irish, “seanad“ means “a gathering of wise old men“. Which of course is what “senate“ means in Latin.
>

They are the closest in a presumed Celt-Italic division but beware of words borrowed. Irish is old in form and in spelling, so nowhere near as phonetic as Welsh or Breton but words like Seaned may well be loans either ancient and assimilated or modern, and loans through English. Poblach is used for Republic without too much change but I would assume Sráid more likely from Street than Strata just because of the lack of any such thing outside of English areas.

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From : “=?iso-8859-1?Q?sa-mann@...?=“ <sa-mann@...>
Subject : [Nova-Roma] Re:CUMPIAN DEFINITIVE
Cives Spectati Omnes

>
>It simply is the celtic pronunciation of a Latin word. In Ireland this originated a proper name for people, and in Ireland only.

<Self-kicking heartily>
As in Cymru and Cumbria and Cumberland of course. I wonder if the Irish clan were then of British immigrant origin?

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From : “=?iso-8859-1?Q?sa-mann@...?=“ <sa-mann@...>
Subject : [Nova-Roma] Re:CUMPIAN DEFINITIVE
Cives Spectati Omnes

>
>It simply is the celtic pronunciation of a Latin word. In Ireland this originated a proper name for people, and in Ireland only.

<Self-kicking heartily>
As in Cymru and Cumbria and Cumberland of course. I wonder if the Irish clan were then of British immigrant origin?

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Decimus Marius Octavian,

Bravo, Very well said!

"I would like to appoligize to those that i may have offended i was
out of line with someone i had no reason to be upset with when i
withdrew from the group. However i will not appologize for my beliefs
nor those of IR. There are those of you who would like to demonize us
or poke fun at us but we take our mission seriously and do not
appreciate those that would make fun. We should be brothers in the
quest for a rebirth of rome and would achieve much more if we could
at least maintain a civil relationship and respect each other. I
realize that our goals may differ in areas but some of you might like
what we are working for and like to join us some may not i have no
ill feeling towards those that do not agree with us you have a right
to your views but what i ask is that you respect those who would go
our way because we respect those that will go your way."


Gaius Marius Aquilus

--- Lucius Arminius Faustus <lafaustus@...>
wrote:

> Salve,
>
>
> (The gods have heard me!) Welcome aboard! Nowadays,
> the portuguese
> translations are being done by me and T. Arminius
> Genialis. But this
> is a Hercules job, thanks gods the most important
> documents were
> already translated, BUT there is lots to do yet.
> Alas, you can send
> me some of your work, to contribute on revising.
>
> I adress you to subscribe the Decuria of
> Interpreters list. We are a
> little bit silent because many interpreters gained
> some others
> magistracies and the responsiblities make us sick.
> Unfortunatly, our
> job is lonely and tiring. Like the (greatest) poet
> Drummond said:
> �Fighting the words is the vainest fight�.
>
> Alas, uploading everything on NR site is always
> another Hercules job.
>
> Vale,
> L. Arminius Faustus
>
>
>
>

Salve,

I have submitted a request to the decuria moderator
for approval. Let me know what documents require
translation and I can begin some work!

Lucius Quintius Constantius of Lacus Magni

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G. Iulius Scaurus Caesariensi salutem dicit (veniam peto, nam
praenomen nomenque tuum nescio).

Salve, Caesariensis.

>I don't see it as coming from Latin development.

In that case we agree. My only point was doubt that the current name
was likely to be reached by historical vowel mutation directly from
Latin to a Romance form; if a Hibernian/Celtic element is at play
here, then it's a question beyond my philological competence to resolve.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus

In a message dated 5/7/03 12:05:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time, diana@...
writes:

> or is extending the voting time by one day an
> edictum?

Salve Tribune
In order to facilitate the running of day to day operations in Nova Roma, you
may make changes to the law. But this change must be official, otherwise the
constitution does not recognize your authority. Right now your informal
announcement still means a 8 day voting period since you missed the first
day. Reissue your extension as an Edictum and make it official.
Gratias
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Tribunus plebis Lucius Pompeius Octavianus omnibus quiritibus S.P.D.

Considering the message posted by Q. Fabius Maximus and transcribed below, I decided to repost the schedule of the voting ending at the comitia plebis tributa as a formal editum :

EX DOMO OFFICIO TRIBUNUS PLEBIS L. POMPEIUS OCTAVIANUS

Due to delay in the beginning of the election, by means of this edictum, I do postpone the ending of the voting in one day, so it will end on May 11th at 18:00 Rome time. Thus, the voting period still is 8 days long.

SCRIBEBAM BONARIÆ NON. MAI. MMDCCLVI A.V.C. (MAY 7TH 2003)

Curate ut valeatis

|Message: 19
| Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 21:29:34 EDT
| From: qfabiusmaxmi@...
|Subject: Re: comitia plebis tributa : voting until May 11th
|
|>In a message dated 5/5/03 4:20:20 PM Pacific Daylight |>Time,
|>danielovi@... writes:
|
|
|> Due to delay in the beginning of the election I do hereby |postpone the
|> ending of the voting in one day, so it will end on May |11th at 18:00 Rome
|> time. Thus, the voting period still is 8 days long.
|>
|
|Point of order. Is this an Edictum? If so, it should be |declared as such.
|
|Q. Fabius Maximus





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Salve,

Another Question:

Should I opt for Linen rather than wool? Is this a better option, authentic?

Does anyone have a tunic/toga from LaWren's that they would like to talk
about/recommend? What has been your experience?

Quintus Bianchius Rufinus


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G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "A Glossary of Rhetorical Terms with Examples":

http://www.uky.edu/ArtsSciences/Classics/rhetoric.html

The site was created by by Ross Scaife (Univ. of Kentucky) and
provides a relatively full account of classical rhetorical figures
with examples in English, Latin, and Greek

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salve Diana Moravia Aventina you said

"Point of order. Is this an Edictum? If so, it should be declared as
such."

Your post raises a question in my mind. Are you indicting that if a post
from a magistrate DOES NOT contain the word EDICT or EDICTUM it is not one?

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum

----- Original Message -----
From: "Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2003 3:06 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] comitia plebis tributa : voting until May 11th


> Salve Q Fabius,
>
> < > Due to delay in the beginning of the election I do hereby postpone
the
> > < ending of the voting in one day, so it will end on May 11th at 18:00
> Rome
> > < time. Thus, the voting period still is 8 days long.
> > <
>
Point of order. Is this an Edictum? If so, it should be declared as
such.
>
> Due to a bit of a bump in the communication flow in NR, the cista was
opened
> one day late and so in order to make the election the legal minimum of 8
> days, the election had to be extended by one day. Is an election
> announcement an edictum or is extending the voting time by one day an
> edictum? Or do you just mean that the message should have been sent
> officially? Can you clarify please? Thanks!
>
> Vale,
>
> Diana Moravia Aventina
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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>
>
>
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>
>
>

Salvete Quirites.

I would like to give a warm welcome to all those new citizens that
are joining us in the last few days. It is great to see Nova Roma
grow! I hope that you all enjoy your stay.

I would also like to remind them (and everyone else) that the
Academia Thules ( http://www.insulaumbra.com/academiathules/ ) has
prepared a Basic Course about Nova Roma specifically aimed at these
newbies. The course, as usual, is free, and all are welcome.

In this course we will study the different aspects of life in Nova
Roma: how our institutions work, what have we done until now, what
can one actually *do* in Nova Roma, etc...
The course will begin on June the 16th and will last until August the
22nd, and will have C. Curius Saturninus (the procurator Academiae)
and your most humble servant as teachers :-).

To learn more about this course, visit de Syllabus Cursuum of the
Academia Thules at:
http://www.insulaumbra.com/academiathules/

To directly subscribe to this course, visit:
http://www.insulaumbra.com/academiathules/become.html

CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF

Salvete Quirites; et salve, Gai Iuli.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory Rose" <gfr@i...> wrote:
> G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.
>
> Avete, Quirites.
>
> Here's a link to "A Glossary of Rhetorical Terms with Examples":
>
> http://www.uky.edu/ArtsSciences/Classics/rhetoric.html
>
> The site was created by by Ross Scaife (Univ. of Kentucky) and
> provides a relatively full account of classical rhetorical figures
> with examples in English, Latin, and Greek
>
> Valete, Quirites.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus

I would like to share one of my favourite web sites with all those of
you interested in rhetorics:

http://humanities.byu.edu/rhetoric/silva.htm

It might seem quite basic to some of you; but it is pure gold for
those of us who are beginning our study of this marvelous subject
:-).

In a message dated 5/7/03 9:27:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, spqr753@...
writes:

> Your post raises a question in my mind. Are you indicting that if a post
> from a magistrate DOES NOT contain the word EDICT or EDICTUM it is not one?
>

Exactly. Just like when the governor of Calif. says "We need more money, so
we will raise the sales tax." That is not official it is giving the citizens
far warning of what is about to come. The Tribune made official this
afternoon, by using the correct terms and we now have a 1 day extension,
where before we did not.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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G. Iulius Scaurus T. Galerio Paulino et Q. Fabio Maximo salutem dicit.

Salvete, T. Galeri et Q. Fabi.

> > Your post raises a question in my mind. Are you indicting that if

a post

> > from a magistrate DOES NOT contain the word EDICT or EDICTUM it is

not one?

>
> Exactly. Just like when the governor of Calif. says "We need more

money, so

> we will raise the sales tax." That is not official it is giving the

citizens

> far warning of what is about to come. The Tribune made official this
> afternoon, by using the correct terms and we now have a 1 day

extension,

> where before we did not.

Two things are worth pointing out. First, the only way by which a
plebian magistrate can enforce the law regarding duration of contio
and voting in the Comitia Plebis Tributa is by Edictum. In that
sense, an announcement posted in a public forum by a Tribunus Plebis
and stating a change in the duration of contio and voting is an
edictum, regardless of the way in which it is headed. Second, it is,
however, far less potentially confusing when the fact that the
announcement is of an edictum is made explicitly clear. When getting
people out for repeated run-offs is at stake, the greater the official
clarity, the better the chance of maximising turnout. If I might also
make a plea from self-interest, I know that there are edicta which are
not extant in the Tabularium. One of the principal ways in which I am
able to identify such edicta is reading through the ML archives.
Putting "Edictum" in the subject line and the first sentence of a
posting makes it enormously easier for me to track down legal
documents to fill the lacunae without going blind looking through
every line of every posting in the off chance that the edictum was
issued in an informal tone. For the sake of the eyes of this indexer
of the legal texts, magistrates might make it easier for me to find
the edictum in the ML archives if somehow it doesn't make it into the
Tabularium.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salvete Fellow Plebians,

Voting in the The FINAL election of 2756 for the FINAL Tribune spot
is still in progress at:

http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/voting/index.html

Why not click on over and vote right now?


And remember.....

"Popillius will guarantee us....a fine Tribune!!!" Vote Gaius
Popillius Laenas for Tribune"

>>This message paid for by the Committee to Elect Gaius Popillius

Laenas Tribune; Gaius Popillius Laenas, Chairman<<

Senator Sulla Felix;

And I now am most pleased and relieved to add your name to those I have
previously thanked in regard to this translation, and the recovery of
this data.

I am most appreciative of your skills and the rapidity with which you
were able to recover the requested data, and transmit it to me. My
particular thanks for your immediate response. In the lexicon of the
day, "I definately owe you one!!!!!!"

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


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Salve Q. Fabius Maximus

I do not want to start a fight or second guess the Senior Consul but the
patronage plan for the Eagle that was VETOED never once had the word Edict
or Edictum in it and It wasn't even in my mine as I wrote and posted it.

I still think it could have been handled better.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: <qfabiusmaxmi@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 2:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] comitia plebis tributa : voting until May 11th


> In a message dated 5/7/03 9:27:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
spqr753@...
> writes:
>
>
> > Your post raises a question in my mind. Are you indicting that if a post
> > from a magistrate DOES NOT contain the word EDICT or EDICTUM it is not
one?
> >
>
> Exactly. Just like when the governor of Calif. says "We need more money,
so
> we will raise the sales tax." That is not official it is giving the
citizens
> far warning of what is about to come. The Tribune made official this
> afternoon, by using the correct terms and we now have a 1 day extension,
> where before we did not.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
>

Oberon is probably not up to doing the whole walk; but would like
to start out on the walk, go a couple of miles or so and then
double back and help with the entertainment.
It there a compromise on doing part of the walk and then
doing entertainment?

In service to the ECG

George Metz
Old Sarge Oberon TD124
Garrison Carida



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