Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. May 28-31, 2003

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10910 From: Decimus Iunius Silanus Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: gangs
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10911 From: jademermaid@aol.com Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: shooting my mouth off
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10912 From: jim mcfadden Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: shooting my mouth off
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10913 From: jim mcfadden Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Census qeustion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10914 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: The noblest Roman?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10915 From: Paula Drennan Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: TNT CAESAR miniseries
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10916 From: deciusiunius Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Loving her to death
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10917 From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Gangs
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10918 From: deciusiunius Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Loving her to death
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10919 From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: gangs
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10920 From: deciusiunius Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Loving her to death
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10921 From: deciusiunius Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Gangs
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10922 From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Census
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10923 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Census qeustion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10924 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: [NovaRoma-Announce] CALL FOR COMITIA POPULI TRIBUTA: Edictum Co
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10925 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Edictum Consulare CFQ VII de Comitiorum Populi Tributorum Convo
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10926 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Loving her to death
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10927 From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Mil. Appointments and WELCOME HOME and MILITARIUM WELL DONE - CASCA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10928 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: The noblest Roman?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10929 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Edictum Consulare CFQ VII de Comitiorum Populi Tributorum Convo
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10930 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Financial Controls
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10931 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Edictum Consulare CFQ VII de Comitiorum Populi Tributorum Convo
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10932 From: Lucius Equitius Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: De Re Censo
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10933 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: The noblest Roman?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10934 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: De Re Censo
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10935 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Comment: THE COMITIA POPULI TRIBUTA FOR THE LEX FABIA D...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10936 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Roman Days
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10937 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Suggestion (shooting my mouth off)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10938 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Suggestion (shooting my mouth off)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10939 From: jim mcfadden Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: The noblest Roman?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10940 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: just saying hello
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10941 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: The noblest Roman?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10942 From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: "Jim and Loup garou"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10943 From: Caius Curius Saturninus Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: I feel wonderful tonight...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10944 From: jan gram Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: gangs
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10945 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Suggestion (shooting my mouth off)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10946 From: me-in-@disguise.co.uk Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: gangs
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10947 From: me-in-@disguise.co.uk Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Suggestion (shooting my mouth off)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10948 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Newbies / Ingratitude
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10949 From: ames0826@cs.com Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: The noblest Roman?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10950 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: I feel wonderful tonight...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10951 From: Al Grace Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: "Jim and Loup garou"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10952 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: gangs
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10953 From: jademermaid@aol.com Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Digest Number 617
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10954 From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: gangs
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10955 From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: gangs
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10956 From: deciusiunius Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: The noblest Roman?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10957 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Quintus Fabius Maximus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10958 From: deciusiunius Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10959 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10960 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: CEIPAC
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10961 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: The Appointment of Scriba Curatoris Differum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10962 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10963 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Rome poem question
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10964 From: Pipar - Steven Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Rome poem question
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10965 From: Lucius Rutilius Minervalis Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Rome poem question
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10966 From: Mary Beth Clemons Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: [Nova Roma] Newbies/Ingratitude
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10967 From: deciusiunius Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Census
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10968 From: Gnaeus Salix Astur Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Suggestion (shooting my mouth off)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10969 From: deciusiunius Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: De Re Censo
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10970 From: Decimus Iunius Silanus Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: gangs
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10971 From: Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Nix Imperial Creations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10972 From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Suggestion (shooting my mouth off)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10973 From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10974 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10975 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Nix Imperial Creations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10976 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: The noblest Roman?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10977 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: The noblest Roman?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10978 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Voting for the Lex Fabia de censo
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10979 From: Decimus Iunius Silanus Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: The noblest Roman?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10980 From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Q. Fabius Maximus / Praetors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10981 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Nix Imperial Creations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10982 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Rome poem question
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10983 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: The voting is over
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10984 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Nix Imperial Creations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10985 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10986 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Romans Past and Present, was: Quintus Fabius Maximus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10987 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Census
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10988 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus/ Pailinus And Intergity
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10989 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: OATH OF OFFICE FOR NEW PROCURATOR - AMERICA SEPTENTRIONALIS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10990 From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10991 From: Lucius Pompeius Octavianus Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: attn. factio veneta members
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10992 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Annual magistrates was Contra New Census Law
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10993 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: shooting my mouth off
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10994 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Suggestion (shooting my mouth off)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10995 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Suggestion (shooting my mouth off)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10996 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: NOVA ROMA INTERNATIONAL RALLY 2756 : news...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10997 From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Suggestion (shooting my mouth off)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10998 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: attn. factio veneta members
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10999 From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: NOVA ROMA INTERNATIONAL RALLY 2003
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11000 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: A quick thank you to Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11001 From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Bresis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11002 From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Bresis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11003 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Roman Markt Days in Maine ROAD TRIP!!!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11004 From: deciusiunius Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus/ Pailinus And Intergity
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11005 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Bonus Eventus and the Eagle
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11006 From: deciusiunius Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: The noblest Roman?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11007 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: The noblest Roman?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11008 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: The Armamentarium Bibliography
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11009 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11010 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus/ Pailinus And Intergity
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11011 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Let's see the pics! was Quintus Fabius Maximus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11012 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Annual magistrates was Contra New Census Law
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11013 From: deciusiunius Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11014 From: deciusiunius Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: The noblest Roman?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11015 From: Manius Constantinus Serapio Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: A quick thank you to Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11016 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Absentia & thank yous (long!)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11017 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: [SenatusRomanus] Absentia & thank yous (long!)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11018 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Absentia & thank yous (long!)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11019 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11020 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11021 From: jachthondus Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: shooting my mouth off
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11022 From: jachthondus Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Post.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11023 From: Decimus Iunius Silanus Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Post.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11024 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: To Tribuna Diana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11025 From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: The see-through gown
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11026 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Absentia & thank yous (long!)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11027 From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: The see-through gown
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11028 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Absentia & thank yous (long!)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11029 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Annual magistrates was Contra New Census Law
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11030 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Annual magistrates was Contra New Census Law
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11031 From: Mary Beth Clemons Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: [Nova Roma] See-through gown
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11032 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Famous Roman Leaders and Rulers
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11033 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Absentia & thank yous (long!)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11034 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Today at the bookstore...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11035 From: Violentilla Titinia Saltatrix Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11036 From: jachthondus Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Post.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11037 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Post.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11038 From: Fortunatus Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Post.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11039 From: Gnaeus Salix Astur Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Post.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11040 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: shooting my mouth off
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11041 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Lex Fabia de Censo is approved
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11042 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Absent again
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11043 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Post.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11044 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: shooting my mouth off
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11045 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Absentia & thank yous (long!)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11046 From: Lucius Pompeius Octavianus Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: attn. factio veneta members
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11047 From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-05-31
Subject: Re: Lex Fabia de Censo is approved
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11048 From: M. Octavius Solaris Date: 2003-05-31
Subject: Re: Post.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11049 From: Decimus Iunius Silanus Date: 2003-05-31
Subject: Re: Post.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11050 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-05-31
Subject: Project on the Social History of the Religio Romana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11051 From: Gnaeus Salix Astur Date: 2003-05-31
Subject: Re: Project on the Social History of the Religio Romana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11052 From: Paula Drennan Date: 2003-05-31
Subject: Re: Today at the bookstore...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11053 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-05-31
Subject: Re: Lex Fabia de Censo is approved
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11054 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-05-31
Subject: Re: Lex Fabia de Censo is approved
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11055 From: M Arminius Maior Date: 2003-05-31
Subject: Re: L Cornelius' Unsubscription
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11056 From: jademermaid@aol.com Date: 2003-05-31
Subject: Re: Shooting my mouth off
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11057 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-05-31
Subject: Re: Lex Fabia de Censo is approved
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11058 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-05-31
Subject: Re: Annual magistrates was Contra New Census Law
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11059 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2003-05-31
Subject: Re: Lex Fabia de Censo is approved
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11060 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-05-31
Subject: Re: Shooting my mouth off



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10910 From: Decimus Iunius Silanus Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: gangs
Salve Marce Octavi, Censor.

> Ah, but as a Censor's scribe, you'd have been asked
> to do it in either case!

Precisely...so at least I can't be accused of trying
to get out of some hard work ;-)

Britannia has currently one of the highest proportion
of inactive cives out of any of Nova Roma's provinces
(although out situation is improving). I would be
genuinely surprised if 20 British cives reply to the
bulk email...which means that I will have to snail
mail about 60 individuals, out of my own pocket (cost
approx $30-50). This will take me about half a day to
accomplish, and my thanks from the state will be an $8
tax break. The thing is, I don't begrudge the time or
the money - I just feel it is resources that could be
better spent on people that actually care about NR,
rather than those who fill out an application form and
then can't be bothered to either resign or provide
up-to date details.

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus
Propraetor and Censorial Scribe and therefore stuffed
either way :-)

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10911 From: jademermaid@aol.com Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: shooting my mouth off
I also joined because I wanted to study the Religio. As a new citizen who
finds little to no interest in politics, I just have to say that you people
pound the horse into the ground and then dig it up and pound it some more when it
comes to discussing politics. For me, it's a complete bore. I'm on the
Religio Romana list but not much is going on there. I still think I might leave
this list, and I'm not trying to gain sympathy as some folks do when they
threaten to leave. I'm just stating it as fact, this list bores me to tears. :-)

I'm not saying that hashing these things out isn't important, and I
understand that this was probably what the senators did back in the day, so please
don't ridicule me and tell me all about that. Fact is, you guys seem to enjoy
arguing more than you do problem solving. From what I've seen in the few short
weeks I've been a citizen, the focus seems to be on verbose posts and who knows
more, rather than what is best for the community. My two pennies, let them
fall where they will.

In any case, I would be far more interested in talking with people who are
knowledgeable about RR, so come over to the Religio Romana list and let's talk
about it!

Vale,
Violentilla Titinia Saltatrix


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10912 From: jim mcfadden Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: shooting my mouth off
Im new myself, I am more of an artist myself, I can understand if something bores you, i am bored too by polotics, if I may make a suggestion, why not start a topic you enjoy talking about and avoid the ones which bore you, ?



jademermaid@... wrote:
I also joined because I wanted to study the Religio. As a new citizen who
finds little to no interest in politics, I just have to say that you people
pound the horse into the ground and then dig it up and pound it some more when it
comes to discussing politics. For me, it's a complete bore. I'm on the
Religio Romana list but not much is going on there. I still think I might leave
this list, and I'm not trying to gain sympathy as some folks do when they
threaten to leave. I'm just stating it as fact, this list bores me to tears. :-)

I'm not saying that hashing these things out isn't important, and I
understand that this was probably what the senators did back in the day, so please
don't ridicule me and tell me all about that. Fact is, you guys seem to enjoy
arguing more than you do problem solving. From what I've seen in the few short
weeks I've been a citizen, the focus seems to be on verbose posts and who knows
more, rather than what is best for the community. My two pennies, let them
fall where they will.

In any case, I would be far more interested in talking with people who are
knowledgeable about RR, so come over to the Religio Romana list and let's talk
about it!

Vale,
Violentilla Titinia Saltatrix


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10913 From: jim mcfadden Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Census qeustion
I have an idea, how bout an email to all citizens, in order to update the records, if they dont reply, then of course we know they are innactive

if someone happens to get deleted and they really want to remain in Nova Roma, then i wouild think that they would contact the staff no?

Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
Salve Romans

I have a question on the Census laws both proposed and old.

Is the main reason to take a census to determine how many of the 1773
"Citizens" are still here and to determine how many of them are real people?

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10914 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: The noblest Roman?
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Decimus Iunius Silanus
<danedwardsuk@y...> wrote:

> Salvete, Decime!
>
> I have just finished a book titled 'The Noblest
> Roman', a biography of Marcus Iunius Brutus. The book
> examines his life and his subsequant reputation
> through the ages. I have two questions:
>
> 1, Was Brutus "the noblest Roman of them all" as
> proclaimed by Shakespeare's Marc Anthony, or do you
> have a less postitive opinion of this mans means and
> motives?
>
> 2, If not Brutus, then who do you consider to be the
> noblest Roman?
>
> Salve Decime!

1) Brutus was not so noble in my opinion; In the civil wars he fought
with Pompei angainst Caesar but was pardoned by Caesar and appointed
Praetor in 44bc. With Cassius he lead the Republican resistance
against Caesar and was the no. 1 assassin. That action of physically
killing the mane who spared is sorry buttis hardly noble in my
opinion.

2 Lucius Qiunctius Cincinnatus could be considered the Noblest Roman.
He was a great hero recalled from his farm in 458 BC to save Rome
when its army under the counsel Menucius was being blockaded by the
Italian Aequi tribe. He thrashed the enemy, resigned his dictatorship
after 16 days and returned to his farm. He did other significant
things for Rome but took no great honours and always returned to the
farm. How more noble can you get?


Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10915 From: Paula Drennan Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: TNT CAESAR miniseries
Ave,

I have been seeing lots of commercials for that new movie on Julius Ceasar. I'm sure other's have seen them also, but I thought I'd just post it for anyone who hasn't and might be interested. I'm looking forward to it. i've been trying to read Caasar's Conquest of Gaul but it's not easy for me, very dry reading in some places. Here's the link to the network page on it: http://www.tnt.tv/Movies/Caesar just in case anyone is interested.

Salve,
Claudia Fabia Calpurnia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10916 From: deciusiunius Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Loving her to death
Didn't post, trying again...

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "quintuscassiuscalvus"
<richmal@a...> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@t...>
wrote:
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "quintuscassiuscalvus"
> > <richmal@a...> wrote:
> > Well said. However, I ask you: If one thinks a law is bad law,
> should
> > he roll over and give up in the name of Pax? Or if one thinks
>this is a good law, should he not fight for it or should he give up
>>in the name of Pax? Can we not take a little political bickering? >
>>This is nothing. We are pale shadows of the political fighting that
>>went on in the ancient forum.
>
> Salve,

Salve,

> I see. Of course it's much better to simply find fault and get
>into a pissing contest over everything a political opponent does
>just because he/she is a political opponent rather than on the
>merits of what is proposed.

I believe I WAS discussing the merits of the proposal, namely putting
inactive citizens into the socii rather than dropping them outright.

I have not spoken publicly against everything the consul has done, I
believe this is actually the first time I have been in public
opposition to him, though I have criticized some of his actions to
him privately. On the size of his staff discussion, for example, I
was silent in public though I discussed it with him at length
privately since that discussion WAS a public pissing match I wanted
no part of. I remember you were quite vocal during that discussion.
Should you have remained silent despite your reservations?

Since this is a law I felt I had to come public with my opposition.

>Once in a while it's better to let >one's
> political opponents win. If they screw it up, there is nothing
> sweeter in politics than to be able to say, "I told you so." But
to
> get to be able to get to that point one has to take a chance
> that ::::gasp:::: one's political opponent may actually
> be ::::gasp:::: right.

But I don't think he is right, at least in part, so where does that
leave me? In other words shut up anyway?

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius

P.S. Actually, I made most of my position statements at the beginning
of the voting period, I hadn't posted on the matter since Saturday or
Sunday.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10917 From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Gangs
I think that one must remember that while the Gens in Nova Roma is very
much akin to a "family", the entrance into a Gens is often based on
merely a few exchanges of E-Mails, and often that exchange does not
reveal the sometimes deep divisions in culture, background, behavior,
and morals of two different people from two different countres, with two
very different views of how political activities should be conducted,
and two very very different views of what is good for Nova Roma and what
is not.

Certainly the familial feeling is in place in the Gens involvement, but
constant criticism, disagreement, and views which match in very few
elements will take thier toll over time, in the best of situations.

It is not at all unusual for two people from two different backgrounds
to strongly disagree. Put into that mix the responsibility for others
both as a Consul and as a Senior Senator, and you have a volitile mix.

I happen to know both individuals of whom you speak, because I have
spent time with both, and have discussed political as well as cultural
concerns with both. I have served with one of the two as Co-Consul, and
during that period we did very well together, in my estimation,
considering the challenges that faced us, and I have said that on more
than one occasin here on this list. The other gentleman and I view each
other as good friends, probably as good as it gets!!!! I agree with
most of his ideas both culturally and politically.

However, I have also disagreed strongly with both on more than one
occasion, for a variety of reasons. While I am not of the Gens Fabius,
I feel close to both of these men because of my involvement with both;
in many ways closer than some Gensmates. Senator Fabius was one of the
first to invite me to join his Patrician Gens when I first became
involved in NR, and that offer meant a great deal to me at the time
since I did not know many here.

So just as brother fought brother, and father fought son in the great
U.S. Civil War, there are some ideas that transcend family ties and
that, of course, includes the ties born of a Gens relationship.

In selecting people to be a part of the Gens Minucia, I try to select
people who have similar ideas of human values and morals to those that I
hold. I do not attempt to hold them to what they say or do, simply
because I do not feel that is part of the role of a Paterfamilias.
Others do not feel as I do. So, for the most part, the Gens Minucia is
made up of people who have thier own ideas and who do not require a
special set of considerations. They are, of course. very welcome to
join me in my endeavors, as are any of my friends, but are not under any
circumstance required to, or held to any Gens-rules, requirements or
institutions. My gens is a small one, simply because I do not actively
recruit from new NR members. My idea here is that each NR Citizen
should make thier Gens decision based on thier desires and thier wishes
not upon the promises of another. Other Pater / Materfamilia may have
differet ideas. So, very much like modern day families, each NR Gens is
as different as those who are involved in it.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10918 From: deciusiunius Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Loving her to death
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "quintuscassiuscalvus"
<richmal@a...> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@t...>
wrote:
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "quintuscassiuscalvus"
> > <richmal@a...> wrote:
> > Well said. However, I ask you: If one thinks a law is bad law,
> should
> > he roll over and give up in the name of Pax? Or if one thinks
>this is a good law, should he not fight for it or should he give up
>>in the name of Pax? Can we not take a little political bickering? >
>>This is nothing. We are pale shadows of the political fighting that
>>went on in the ancient forum.
>
> Salve,

Salve,

> I see. Of course it's much better to simply find fault and get
>into a pissing contest over everything a political opponent does
>just because he/she is a political opponent rather than on the
>merits of what is proposed.

I believe I WAS discussing the merits of the proposal, namely putting
inactive citizens into the socii rather than dropping them outright.

I have not spoken publicly against everything the consul has done, I
believe this is actually the first time I have been in public
opposition to him, though I have criticized some of his actions to
him privately. On the size of his staff discussion, for example, I
was silent in public though I discussed it with him at length
privately since that discussion WAS a public pissing match I wanted
no part of. I remember you were quite vocal during that discussion.
Should you have remained silent despite your reservations?

Since this is a law I felt I had to come public with my opposition.

>Once in a while it's better to let >one's
> political opponents win. If they screw it up, there is nothing
> sweeter in politics than to be able to say, "I told you so." But
to
> get to be able to get to that point one has to take a chance
> that ::::gasp:::: one's political opponent may actually
> be ::::gasp:::: right.

But I don't think he is right, at least in part, so where does that
leave me? In other words shut up anyway?

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius

P.S. Actually, I made most of my position statements at the beginning
of the voting period, I hadn't posted on the matter since Saturday or
Sunday.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10919 From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: gangs
Senator Maximus;

Understood. Long plane flights with my lower leg problems make me
particularly "cranky" as well (Grin!!!), much to my lovely wife's
disappointment. It is she, after all, who must put up with the "cranky
old man!!"

However, she does it so well that I am usually my old cheerful, loving,
sweet and thoughtful self in only two weeks!!!!! (Grin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10920 From: deciusiunius Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Loving her to death
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@t...> wrote:
>
> Didn't post, trying again...
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "quintuscassiuscalvus"
> <richmal@a...> wrote:
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@t...>
> wrote:
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "quintuscassiuscalvus"
> > > <richmal@a...> wrote:
> > > Well said. However, I ask you: If one thinks a law is bad law,
> > should
> > > he roll over and give up in the name of Pax? Or if one thinks
> >this is a good law, should he not fight for it or should he give
up
> >>in the name of Pax? Can we not take a little political bickering?
>
> >>This is nothing. We are pale shadows of the political fighting
that
> >>went on in the ancient forum.
> >
> > Salve,
>
> Salve,
>
> > I see. Of course it's much better to simply find fault and get
> >into a pissing contest over everything a political opponent does
> >just because he/she is a political opponent rather than on the
> >merits of what is proposed.
>
> I believe I WAS discussing the merits of the proposal, namely
putting
> inactive citizens into the socii rather than dropping them outright

Sorry, just to clarify the above sentence of my own message (haste
makes waste as the old cliche goes): I believe I WAS discussing the
merits of the proposal, namely the part of the law that proposes
putting inactive citizens into the socii rather than dropping them
outright.

Vale,

D. Iunius Palladius
Palladius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10921 From: deciusiunius Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Gangs
Salve Senator et Consular,

-- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, jmath669642reng@w... wrote:
> in many ways closer than some Gensmates. Senator Fabius was one of
>the first to invite me to join his Patrician Gens when I first became
> involved in NR, and that offer meant a great deal to me at the time
> since I did not know many here.

Just to make a note of the historical record here, Gens Minucia
became a patrician gens in December 1998 by the censors with the
approval of the senate, before gens Fabia. It was the first gens to
move from plebeian status to patrician. Gens Fabia was originally
plebeian and became a patrician gens in the summer of 1999 under the
dictator Vedius.

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10922 From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Census
Honored Senator Palladius;

I have unfortunately, as I have so often done in the past. made myself
unclear, and for that I must apologize.

You are certainly correct in that this is the time for citizens to voice
thier ideas about a proposed law. That is in fact right and proper, in
my humble view, and I agree with you entirely.

My concern is not that this proposed law cannot stand on it's own, but
rather, my problem is those who decry such a proposal solely for thier
own political advantage. If that was not made clear in my last post,
then I endeavor to make it so now.

You have indeed been my mentor in the past, and your views are certainly
among those that I read and value. So, I beg that perhaps my concerns
have been better stated on this occasion, and that perhaps I may have
erased, by so doing, your idea that I oppose the expression of concerns
on the part of the citizens of NR. What I oppose is insulting remarks,
name-calling and political manuvering that has little to do with
carrying out the determination of the NR Citizens.

Respectfully;

Marcus Mincius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10923 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Census qeustion
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@t...> wrote:
> On way to cut down on such casual "click, join and disappear"
> citizens is to go back to a physical, mail-in form. Most "casual
> joiners" will not go through the trouble of filling out an
> application, buying a stamp and mailing it. This would be a simple
> way to prevent likely inactive citizens from joining in the first
> place.

Salve,

On that note, another 'safeguard' would be to include on the
membership form a question such as "What would you be willing to
offer to Nova Roma to encourage the growth of the nation?" I'm not
just talking about financial donations, which many can afford but
many cannot. It would be interesting to see what responses we get
when we encourage people to become active citizens right up front, by
asking for donations of time and skills.

> Sorry, didn't mean to ramble.

R-a-m-b-l-i-n, ramblin'... (Sorry, channelling a bit of Steve Martin.)

vale,
Arnamentia Moravia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10924 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: [NovaRoma-Announce] CALL FOR COMITIA POPULI TRIBUTA: Edictum Co
F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to the Consul.

I find this to be a good law but agree that the efforts to contact inactive citizens in Section IV. is to extensive. I believe that the B. and C. should be combined into an "either/or" situation. The provincial governors and their staff should be able to make one snail mail OR one phone attempt rather than both. I believe that it would be more economical this way.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10925 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Edictum Consulare CFQ VII de Comitiorum Populi Tributorum Convo
I believe that another option would be to contact the other groups that are Roman that we know inactive citizens have moved to. If we can get permission to make an announcement of the census on their mainlists, we can probably make contact with a sizeable percentage of inactive NR citizens. Some of these citizens who have joined other groups may feel that because NR is making such an effort on the census, that they will want to rejoin as allies or even as citizens. It is worth thinking about.

F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10926 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Loving her to death
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@t...> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "quintuscassiuscalvus"
>....I discussed it with him at length
> privately since that discussion WAS a public pissing match I wanted
> no part of. I remember you were quite vocal during that discussion.
> Should you have remained silent despite your reservations?

Salve,

In retrospect I think yes, it would have been better that I had been
publically silent and taken my concerns to Consul Caeso through
private channels. Then if I wasn't satisfied with the answer from
the Consul or after a reasonable time received no answer, then speak
publically. Please remember is my original post that started this
thread I did not exclude myself from my own critique.

> But I don't think he is right, at least in part, so where does that
> leave me? In other words shut up anyway?

That's completely up to the individual. You're right that Nova
Roma's political bickering isn't anywhere near like the old Roman
Forum, but considering history and how the Republic ended up...


Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10927 From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Mil. Appointments and WELCOME HOME and MILITARIUM WELL DONE - CASCA
Primus Pilas "Maximus" Mecurius Minucius Gladius;

Commander Casca is now in Germany. As I understand he came back to the
states from his involvement in the overseas military effort, spent a
short time in the States (probably mustering out) and then went to
Germany for a commitment there. He is still in Germany, at this time,
as I understand.

I would urge you to join such as you are a member of the Militarium
Command Staff and a vote has been asked for on the application of Legio
XXI to be sponsored by Nova Roma.

In order to join the Militarium, and finalize your appointment on the
Militarium Command Staff as Praefectus Gladitorium you should contact
Beneficarius / Militarium Tribunus Mlitum Pompeia Strabo and ask to be
included on both the Militarium Command Staff and the Militarium Lists:

trog99@...

Command Staff Membership:---

I intend to re-appoint Casca as my Cornicularius Major(Adjutant), now
that he has returned from his military duties. My current Cornicularius
has indicated a desire to be relieved of that position due to his
expanded real world activities. However, due to the value of past
service to me and to Militarium, both as an Advisor, and as
Cornicularius (Temp.) I now appoint him to the position of Cornicularius
Minor (Asst. Adjutant), and Casca to the position of Cornicularius
Major(Adjutant). Both positions will be listed on the Militarium
Command Staff by Scribae Major / Beneficarius / Militarium Tribunus
Miltum Pompeia Strabo, Further, in view of Mistress Strabo's physical
concerns, I authorize the position of a Scribae Minor on the Command
Staff. This position will be filled by Mistress Stabo's determination
and approved by the Praefectus Castorum. Pompeia has my authority to
choose a Scribae Major to assist her as needed in Militarium concerns.
Perhaps someone from the Militarium Membership would like to volunteer
for that task, which will be added to the Command Staff upon selection
by Pompeia.

Casca will, of course, not be able to attend Gladiator Events until he
has returned from Germany. However, by the above re-appointment he is a
continuing member of both the Militarium and It's Command Staff.

Mlitarium Membership should take note of this new position and if anyone
is interested applications from both the Regular Militarium Membership
and the Mlitarium Socci will be considered first .

Primus Pilus Gladius:---

I assume Primus Pilus, that you intend to retain Commander Casca in the
Gladiator School, as you have been pleased to do during his military
service period.

Lastly, but far, far from least, I take this opportuniy to welcome home
Casca, Commander of Legio VI, and war veteran / hero The Militarium and
Militarium Command extend to you the traditional Miltary WELL DONE!!!!!

You sir, have been much in my mind during your service, and if I may
speak for elements within Militarium, much of thier minds as well. We
are much relieved to have you return safely, and I am more than pleased
to be able to lead three rousing cheers to celebrate that return:

Hip Hip Huzzah -- Casca!!
Hip Hip Huzzah -- Casca!!!
HIP HIP HUZZAH -- CASCAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens
Consular;
Prafectus Castorum -- Sodlalitas Militarium -- Nova Roma

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10928 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: The noblest Roman?
Salve,

<2, If not Brutus, then who do you consider to be the
<noblest Roman?

Well Palladius, that's an easy one.

The answer could only be you and Q Fabius Maximus.

Vale,
Diana
;-)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10929 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Edictum Consulare CFQ VII de Comitiorum Populi Tributorum Convo
Salve

Another great idea from the Galeri!!! God/s what a family !!!!!

( a very large grin)

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


----- Original Message -----
From: <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 1:19 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Edictum Consulare CFQ VII de Comitiorum Populi
Tributorum Convocatione


> I believe that another option would be to contact the other groups that
are Roman that we know inactive citizens have moved to. If we can get
permission to make an announcement of the census on their mainlists, we can
probably make contact with a sizeable percentage of inactive NR citizens.
Some of these citizens who have joined other groups may feel that because NR
is making such an effort on the census, that they will want to rejoin as
allies or even as citizens. It is worth thinking about.
>
> F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus
>
>
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>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10930 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Financial Controls
>>Patricia Cassia has been doing an admirable job to
date) would be an excellent step in the right direction.

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus<<


Hear, hear!!! Patricia Cassia for CFO (latin translation, Primoris
Pecunius Magistratus???)As the senior Consul has posted he already
considers her as such, I recommend the Senate offically appoint her
so (so that her appointment survives the annual change of Consuls)
and that the Senate consider a committee of its membersto oversee
financial matters.

If help is needed regarding accounting principles, etc. I am willing
in exchange for vast amounts of century points and election as
Princepts ;-O

C. P. Laenas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10931 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Edictum Consulare CFQ VII de Comitiorum Populi Tributorum Convo
My esteemed cousin makes good sense. I would be happy to donate 25 phone calls to try to locate some of our inactive citizens.

F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10932 From: Lucius Equitius Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: De Re Censo
Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur Quiritibus SPD

Last year no monies were allotted for a Census as per the Lex Cornelia DE CENSO.
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2002-06-05-ii.html
X. A budget is to be provided for the Censors' Office to offset costs for conducting the census. This budget is to be included only for the years that a Census takes place. The amount to be set aside would be established by the Senate of Nova Roma.

That was my legal rational for not proceeding with the Census; however, in my personal opinion, it would have been a monumental waste of time and money to have held the Census under that lex, as has been pointed out so very eloquently by Censor Octavious.
Since the author of the Lex was then Consul one would believe that he would have been anxious to have brought a budget to the Senate to implement the Census, it was 'his baby' after all.
An interesting footnote is that the proposed Lex was never discussed with me when I was his colleague or before it was proposed last year I don't recall it ever being discussed with me or my then colleague Censor Diocletianus.

Senator Q Fabius has complained numerous times (publicly) about there being no Census held last year. He was told *last year* why we didn't hold the Census. Therefore I can only conclude that this latest, and continued, harangue is purely political.
Anyway, the current proposal is a vast improvement, I have voted for it, and I urge other to also support it with their votes. Having said that I do agree with my friend, Consul Fortunatus, that "I prefer a truly historical version in which the burden of answering the census lies on patres et matres familias (essentially, what we've chosen to call "gens registration"), rather than a modern version in which the burden of contacting cives lies on the censores."

It was almost too easy to comply with the 'Gens Registration' as it was administered by Censores Diocletianus et M Octavius. In addition we already have a good idea who is active and who isn't by who votes and or pays taxes .

On way to cut down on such casual "click, join and disappear"
citizens is to go back to a physical, mail-in form. Most "casual
joiners" will not go through the trouble of filling out an
application, buying a stamp and mailing it. This would be a simple
way to prevent likely inactive citizens from joining in the first
place.

Sorry, didn't mean to ramble.

Vale, Decius Iunius Palladius

I've been an advocate of a return to the 'snail-mail' application since the online form was first implemented. Instead of 'weeding out the dead wood' we would have 'weeded out' those who aren't the least bit serious from the start. Really, a stamp and SASE (self addressed stamped envelope) isn't that much time or money. Quite frankly if one can't manage that then one ought to reconsider their priorities.

I must say that as a propraetor, it would have been
nice to have been consulted about this change to my
job description.

Vale, Decimus Iunius Silanus.

Yes, that is how I felt last year when the Lex Cornelia DE CENSO was being voted upon. Perhaps I should have been outspoken in my objections, but I would have been willing to try had we been given the support of the Senate.

I do believe that the Censores ought to be consulted on how they are going to do their job, as anyone who is a supervisory position ought. Censor is a very demanding position and to expect someone to devote so much time and energy to it AND then in the middle of a term ADD a financial burden, however sight, without their consultation and approval is an outrage.

I just wanted to set the record straight that we didn't "ignore" the Census last year.

Mars nos protegas.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10933 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: The noblest Roman?
Well I was going to reply, but I find I cannot say it better than
Quintus Lanius Paulinus already has!

Vale,
Gaius Popillius Laenas

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Decimus Iunius Silanus
> <danedwardsuk@y...> wrote:
>
> > Salvete, Decime!
> >
> > I have just finished a book titled 'The Noblest
> > Roman', a biography of Marcus Iunius Brutus. The book
> > examines his life and his subsequant reputation
> > through the ages. I have two questions:
> >
> > 1, Was Brutus "the noblest Roman of them all" as
> > proclaimed by Shakespeare's Marc Anthony, or do you
> > have a less postitive opinion of this mans means and
> > motives?
> >
> > 2, If not Brutus, then who do you consider to be the
> > noblest Roman?
> >
> > Salve Decime!
>
> 1) Brutus was not so noble in my opinion; In the civil wars he
fought
> with Pompei angainst Caesar but was pardoned by Caesar and
appointed
> Praetor in 44bc. With Cassius he lead the Republican resistance
> against Caesar and was the no. 1 assassin. That action of
physically
> killing the mane who spared is sorry buttis hardly noble in my
> opinion.
>
> 2 Lucius Qiunctius Cincinnatus could be considered the Noblest
Roman.
> He was a great hero recalled from his farm in 458 BC to save Rome
> when its army under the counsel Menucius was being blockaded by
the
> Italian Aequi tribe. He thrashed the enemy, resigned his
dictatorship
> after 16 days and returned to his farm. He did other significant
> things for Rome but took no great honours and always returned to
the
> farm. How more noble can you get?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10934 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: De Re Censo
Salve L Equitius,
Salve Consul Labienus,

<Having said that I do agree with my friend, Consul Fortunatus, that "I
prefer a truly historical <version in which the burden of answering the
census lies on patres et matres familias (essentially, <what we've chosen to
call "gens registration"), rather than a modern version in which the burden
of <contacting cives lies on the censores."

I'm sorry that I missed that discussion when it took place, because I would
have preferred the above method as well. Ok, Gens Moravia is tiny, but I can
say off the top of my head :

which citizens in Gens Moravia are really active (easy--it's the ladies!),
which citizens care about NR a bit and also post a bit,
which citizens care a lot but never say a word,
which citizens joined and didn't find what they were hoping for,
and lastly which citizens joined NR and then were never heard from again.

Ah well, maybe we can save that for the 2005 census!

Valete,
Diana Moravia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10935 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Comment: THE COMITIA POPULI TRIBUTA FOR THE LEX FABIA D...
Salvete,

Postumius: <snip>Loud applause for Senator Fabius the "Greatest!"

It is nice to see you supporting Q Fabius. It goes to show you that just
because we disagree with someone at times, we can always find common ground
eventually.

Astur: My dear Q. Fabi; you have finally managed to insult hardly everyone
in Nova Roma in just a couple of sentences! My heartfelt congratulations
:-).

Hey now! You can't speak for everyone. I wasn't insulted and am in fact
enjoying the discussions--mudslinging and all!

I am guessing that a few Provincial governors were insulted and certainly
the Cohors Consulis. Still that is not everyone despite how many emails
appear on this list which sometimes may make it appear so. If Scaevola were
here, I'd have to buy more space in my mailbox to store all of his incoming
emails in support of you :-p

But freedom of speech works in both directions. I am glad that we still have
it here on this Main List. Whether or not someone's comments are 'popular'
or considered by the opposite side to be mudslinging, still everyone needs
to be heard. In light of that, I support your right to say that everyone was
insulted by Q Fabius. :-)

Vale,
Diana Moravia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10936 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Roman Days
Salvete!

Subject change!

I am keeping all of my fingers and all 12 toes crossed (joke) that I will be
at Roman Days and also at the Rally in Bologna. What can I say? I wish I
could meet you all !

So, who is going to Roman Days? How do we know who is whom? I think that
I'd recognize a few people and am not shy about going up to strangers and
asking***, but I come across as *slightly* less goofy if I know our meeting
place in advance. Does Nova Roma have its own little section?

***Serapio can bear witness to me shouting "Serapio???" across Brussels
airport :-)

Valete,
Diana




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10937 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Suggestion (shooting my mouth off)
F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to Suggestion. Salve.

Bad idea! Boo. Hiss. Keep the Religio exactly where it is. Who is this person?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10938 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Suggestion (shooting my mouth off)
F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to G. Modius Athanasius, Flamen Pomonalis. Salve.

I strongly disagree with this sentiment. I believe that the Religio could be better served if the pontiffs, flamens, and augurs published articles on the mainlist and in The Eagle to put forward the goals and beliefs of the Religio and also by attending pagan festivals to teach classes & perform public rituals.
After casting about for a pontiff or flamen to teach a class at the Pagan Unity Festival [in April] and not having any success, I finally taught the class myself using the materials available to any citizen. The result was a very well attended class that yielded one new citizen for NR. Issac Bonewits and I discussed the class as we were driving back from visiting the Parthenon in Nashville. As I remember, he believes that many pagans committed to non-specific paths might find the Greek and Roman reconstructed religions just the right thing for them. A Babylonian-Akkadian ritual to Innana was held on Friday night and a Druidical ritual to the Dagda and Brigid on Saturday night [led by Issac & Gray Cat]. Both were well received by the majority of the laity who had been exposed to mostly Wiccan, CM, Christian, Jewish, and Buddhist rituals. I believe that more than anything else, NR needs to put the religio out into the world. Vale.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10939 From: jim mcfadden Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: The noblest Roman?
Q!

Diana Moravia Aventina <diana@...> wrote:Salve,

<2, If not Brutus, then who do you consider to be the
<noblest Roman?

Well Palladius, that's an easy one.

The answer could only be you and Q Fabius Maximus.

Vale,
Diana
;-)


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10940 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: just saying hello
F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to Jim. Salve.

Welcome, proto-citizen. I believe that you can find virtually anything you want in Nova Roma from the glory and knowledge of Old Rome to the pompous, long-winded tyrades of demagogues. Please feel free to peruse the main site and check out all of the areas that interest you. We of the gens Galeria (and the other active, productive gens)would welcome any citizen who wishes to serve and participate in such a glorious enterprise as Nova Roma. May the gods grant you health and good fortune. Vale.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10941 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: The noblest Roman?
Salve

In MHO Marcus Iunius Brutus is not even in the top ten of
"the noblest Roman/s of them all". I know this will not be popular but
Caesar makes the list and the assassin of the so called "tyrant" does not. I
agree that Cincinnatus is the best candidate and I take pride in the fact
that the "Father of my County" has been said to be the:

"Cincinnatus of the west, whom envy dare not hate, bequeath the name of
Washington to make men blush there was but one."

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


----- Original Message -----
From: "gaiuspopilliuslaenas" <ksterne@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:03 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The noblest Roman?


> Well I was going to reply, but I find I cannot say it better than
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus already has!
>
> Vale,
> Gaius Popillius Laenas
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
> Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Decimus Iunius Silanus
> > <danedwardsuk@y...> wrote:
> >
> > > Salvete, Decime!
> > >
> > > I have just finished a book titled 'The Noblest
> > > Roman', a biography of Marcus Iunius Brutus. The book
> > > examines his life and his subsequant reputation
> > > through the ages. I have two questions:
> > >
> > > 1, Was Brutus "the noblest Roman of them all" as
> > > proclaimed by Shakespeare's Marc Anthony, or do you
> > > have a less postitive opinion of this mans means and
> > > motives?
> > >
> > > 2, If not Brutus, then who do you consider to be the
> > > noblest Roman?
> > >
> > > Salve Decime!
> >
> > 1) Brutus was not so noble in my opinion; In the civil wars he
> fought
> > with Pompei angainst Caesar but was pardoned by Caesar and
> appointed
> > Praetor in 44bc. With Cassius he lead the Republican resistance
> > against Caesar and was the no. 1 assassin. That action of
> physically
> > killing the mane who spared is sorry buttis hardly noble in my
> > opinion.
> >
> > 2 Lucius Qiunctius Cincinnatus could be considered the Noblest
> Roman.
> > He was a great hero recalled from his farm in 458 BC to save Rome
> > when its army under the counsel Menucius was being blockaded by
> the
> > Italian Aequi tribe. He thrashed the enemy, resigned his
> dictatorship
> > after 16 days and returned to his farm. He did other significant
> > things for Rome but took no great honours and always returned to
> the
> > farm. How more noble can you get?
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10942 From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: "Jim and Loup garou"
Welcome to Nova Roma. My good friend Quintus Lanius Paulinus speaks for
you, and that is a definite plus as far as I am concerned.

I think that you will be pleased to be a member of Nova Roma, It has
many facets, and many groups that are interested in all aspects of the
Roman world.

I invite you to consider joining the Sodalitas Miltarium if you are
interested in the Military World of Rome. The Militarium is like a club
which discusses various military subjects and aspects of our world.

I also invite you to join the Sodalitas Egressus if you are interested
in an outreach program to bring Nova Roma to those not aquainted with
it.

In both organizations are some very dedicated and clever people who are
very interested in the activities not only of Nova Roma but also of the
specific areas in which they work at research, drawing, discussing, and
providing new information. I am most pleased to be associated with
these very clever and industrious people,and am pleased to welcome you
as well -- as your interest moves you.

It is fairly easy to join either above mentoned Sodalitas -- just write
a message to:

trog99@...

and ask to join. I will send this E-Mail to that address so that my
Beneficarius Pompeia Strabo will be ready for your applications should
you wish to take up my offer. We have many ladies who are interested in
the Roman Military and Beneficarius Strabo, has been appointed as
Militarium Tribunus Militum as well as the Praefectus for Roman Naval
Reseach for her efforts and contributions to the Militarium. The
Militarium also has Praefects for the Roman Legions, the Aritecs and
Mapmakers, the Auxiliaries, and Gladiators. Mistress Loup larou, I am
sure that you will like Mistress Pompeia Strabo. I value her greatly as
she has been an excellent companion in this world, and one day, I shall
make the effort to visit her in Canada.

There are many other things in NR to be interested in. Our Honored
Consul Labienus from time to time runs a fam course in better
understanding NR in the Academia Thule.

This Academia was founded by my very good friend the Honored Consul
Quintillianus from Sweden. He and I have been blessed to meet face to
face in Oslo, Norway, and have sealed a great friendship thanks to Nova
Roma. I hope that you will be as lucky as I have been in finding good
friends the world over through Nova Roma.

There are as well several Legions whom Nova Roma sponsors, and there are
many openings in your Provincias for a wide variety of different areas
of effort if you are interested in being of some service to Nova Roma.

Finally, if you have any particular skills, desires or questions
regarding NR, I invite you to contact me, and while I certainly don't
have an answer for everything, it may well be that I can put you in
touch with someone who can answer your needs.

Now, I must apologize to those other new Citizens who have joined NR
since I last spoke on this subject. I have in my reenactment world been
unusually taken up with projects, and I have gotten behind on my
welcomes, and for that I am sorry. However, I invite all of you new
Citizens, as I have invited both Master Jim and Mistress Loup garou, to
jump into Nova Roma, look around, be active, and if you have any
questions I should be pleased to answer them and make your aquaintance
in a more personal way.

Welcome my friends to Nova Roma!!!! It is what you will make of it, and
I sincerely welcome each and every one of you, with your ideas, dreams,
skills and fresh outlooks on this collection of people dedicated to
renewing in the best ways possible the Roman Ideas.

Most Sincerely amd Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Citizen of Nova Roma

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10943 From: Caius Curius Saturninus Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: I feel wonderful tonight...
Salvete omnes,

After (too) many years I did it today: I took my bicycle from the
pile of unsorted things, changed tires, tuned the breaks and shifts
and washed some dust off. Then I and Emilia Curia made a 3 hour trip
to the nearby forest roads. And now that I'm back I can tell you that
my legs are aching, but otherwise I feel wonderful!

It is of course great that he feels wonderful, you might think, but
what it has to do with Roman things?

Well, Romans were known for their love for good bodily condition (at
least during the republic) and I thought I should share with you all
the idea: that it is not too late to do some exercise, even if it is
several years since the last time you did. So, my fellow Romans, get
into fresh air and move yourself!

:-)

Valete,
--

Caius Curius Saturninus

Accensus Superior Primus (Ductor Cohortis) Cohors Consulis CFQ
Legatus Regionis Finnicae
Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10944 From: jan gram Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: gangs
Thank you Senator Cassia, and thank you Senator Audens. I am a prospective citizen and happen to be related to one of the citizens but he didn't seem to know either. I have a general idea of how the system functioned in ancient roma and my question was really how does it function in Nova Roma. It seems to me it is just a name and nothing else, a matter of cosmetics noticeable to some of us who don't live in the great metropolitan centers where family ties are a bit more loose, if it be family. But again, the ancient system could not be duplicated in the 21st Century anyway. Thank you again.

Patricia Cassia <pcassia@...> wrote:

On Tuesday, May 27, 2003, at 05:31 PM, Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Isn't senator Fabius the paterfamilias of Consul Fabius, and if so why
> would he attack his own family, and how does that fit in the family
> system of Nova Roma, and what is the purpose of it anyway

The family system was active in ancient Rome -- most family members
hung together politically, and while there were certainly cases where
brother publicly opposed brother, it was considered the exception
rather than the rule. Also, over time, the more numerous families
developed branches, so that the Cornelii Gracchi and the Cornelii
Metelli might find themselves on opposite sides of an issue. (I don't
know whether those two specific branches ever opposed one another, I'm
just using the names as an example.)

The family (gens) system has been the subject of much debate in Nova
Roma, and there are currently several sorts of gentes. I would never
expect every Cassius or Cassia to support my views, and while the
Cassian bond might keep me from being completely rude to a "relative"
whose views I disliked, I would certainly not hesitate to express my
opposition in dignified terms.

-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@...


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10945 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Suggestion (shooting my mouth off)
Salve Dear Cousin

In December when we were getting the first "New" issue of the Eagle ready I
asked a particular citizen if they would be interested in writing an article
, for each issue, on the Religio.

I am still waiting for a response.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum


----- Original Message -----
From: <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Suggestion (shooting my mouth off)


> F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to G. Modius Athanasius, Flamen Pomonalis.
Salve.
>
> I strongly disagree with this sentiment. I believe that the Religio could
be better served if the pontiffs, flamens, and augurs published articles on
the mainlist and in The Eagle to put forward the goals and beliefs of the
Religio and also by attending pagan festivals to teach classes & perform
public rituals.
> After casting about for a pontiff or flamen to teach a class at the Pagan
Unity Festival [in April] and not having any success, I finally taught the
class myself using the materials available to any citizen. The result was a
very well attended class that yielded one new citizen for NR. Issac
Bonewits and I discussed the class as we were driving back from visiting the
Parthenon in Nashville. As I remember, he believes that many pagans
committed to non-specific paths might find the Greek and Roman reconstructed
religions just the right thing for them. A Babylonian-Akkadian ritual to
Innana was held on Friday night and a Druidical ritual to the Dagda and
Brigid on Saturday night [led by Issac & Gray Cat]. Both were well received
by the majority of the laity who had been exposed to mostly Wiccan, CM,
Christian, Jewish, and Buddhist rituals. I believe that more than anything
else, NR needs to put the religio out into the world. Vale.
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10946 From: me-in-@disguise.co.uk Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: gangs
-----Original Message-----
From : Patricia Cassia <pcassia@...>
Date : 28 May 2003 00:07:17

>
>The family (gens) system has been the subject of much debate in Nova
>Roma, and there are currently several sorts of gentes. I would never
>expect every Cassius or Cassia to support my views, and while the
>Cassian bond might keep me from being completely rude to a “relative“
>whose views I disliked, I would certainly not hesitate to express my
>opposition in dignified terms.
>
Were NR to emulate the Roman system in modern terms, the Gentes should advertise their attitude on various matters as they already do their religious affiliation. Gens would then approximate to political party or faction.
Personally, I think that would be a backstep too far. Gens and Client solidarity is obviously connected directly with social insecurity in an undeveloped society and we are familiar enough with post-renaissance 'Families' in the poor Italian South, Naples, Sardinia and Corsica and their transatlantic versions. It amounts to a Clan system (question, did that exist then or develop later?) with at least in early times, legal recognition for the patrisfamilias power of life & death over members. It does not seem workable and certainly not appropriate for the modern world.
Most people here are adoptees. Roman adoption flexibiliity might well have kept the gentes solid; dissenters could arrange adoption into a rival clan.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10947 From: me-in-@disguise.co.uk Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Suggestion (shooting my mouth off)
-----Original Message-----
From : AthanasiosofSpfd@...
Date : 28 May 2003 00:48:31

This is actually something that is being discussed by the Pontifices and the Collegium. I think it is a good idea for Nova Roma to “get serious“ about the Religio, especially when there are two pontifices who have not paid their taxes, and several priesthood holders are delinquent as well.
>
Just how serious? What about the archaic numinous Flamines? I can hardly see anyone taking the tabus on Flamen Dialis seriously! And what about Frazer's dear old Golden Bough? Romans were themselves ambiguous about other aspects of the religio; if you want communion, afterlife, awe, turn to and imported Mystery Cult or to the Lares, Penates and non-physical fauna, starting with Faunus. Most Pontifices and associated officials seem to have literally done it by the book, more as State magicians than as we think of religion following 2,000 years of a Mystery cult de-mystified. Not that that lessens the gods. Rather, I feel, it enhances them to great Forces to be worked with rather than the irascible personalities of Greek Olympos. We can see something very like the folk Religio still at work in wayside shrines to saints nobody's ever heard of in Celtic lands and in Shinto and in parts of nominally Muslim Africa not averse to direct dealing with 'spirits' and of course in /some/ aspects of India but not their great philosophical theologies. And, for my money, anything with a touch of Japan about it has to be worthwhile!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10948 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Newbies / Ingratitude
Salve Senator Audens et omnes,

Thank you for your a great introduction for the newbies. With regards
to new critics; Do you remember that there was a holiday every year
in Rome in honour for one of the gods. On that day the owners made
the slaves the King of the Household and actually the slaves were
waited on by the owners.

Now often many of us forget that all these offices in Nova Roma are
volunteer only. Some critics on other lists have said that we are a
group of people that must have too much free time on our hands doing
what we do. I'm sure much of the free time devoted to NR by our
government people could be better spent on web projects that earn
them extra money intsead; like 30.00 an hour plus that my nephew
makes. Lets not piss them off with our ingratitude.

Now I envy the job of the Censors. I suppose I can find many faults
if I look hard enough. Maybe a slave/owner type holiday would be a
good idea where Marcus Octavius and Titus Labeanus would get the heck
out of my way and let me run there jobs for a day or two. Well not
knowing web design, struggling with excel, not even being able to
post a photo to the gens album, the mob would tear me to pieces as
quick as they did Cinna the Poet! Similarily, how many a read enough
or willing to put the time in. Like Caesar said, I sometimes feel
that I'd rather be Chief of a barbarian village than second man in
Rome as do others. That holiday would make us counsels for a day. How
much better would we do? Well lets try and appreciate people's
efforts a little more. When Nova Roma is rich enough to pay officials
100,000 US + a year then we can howl like banshees at their
shortcomings.

Respectfully,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10949 From: ames0826@cs.com Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: The noblest Roman?
Salve, Omnes:

One could put in a word for Belisarius, although he did live way at the other end of the Roman era. He seems to have had a pretty creative attitude toward doing the right thing.

"Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@...> wrote:

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Decimus Iunius Silanus
>lt;danedwardsuk@y...gt; wrote:
>
>gt; Salvete, Decime!
>gt;
>gt; I have just finished a book titled 'The Noblest
>gt; Roman', a biography of Marcus Iunius Brutus. The book
>gt; examines his life and his subsequant reputation
>gt; through the ages. I have two questions:
>gt;
>gt; 1, Was Brutus quot;the noblest Roman of them allquot; as
>gt; proclaimed by Shakespeare's Marc Anthony, or do you
>gt; have a less postitive opinion of this mans means and
>gt; motives?
>gt;
>gt; 2, If not Brutus, then who do you consider to be the
>gt; noblest Roman?
>gt;
>gt; Salve Decime!
>
>1) Brutus was not so noble in my opinion; In the civil wars he fought
>with Pompei angainst Caesar but was pardoned by Caesar and appointed
>Praetor in 44bc. With Cassius he lead the Republican resistance
>against Caesar and was the no. 1 assassin. That action of physically
>killing the mane who spared is sorry buttis hardly noble in my
>opinion.
>
>2 Lucius Qiunctius Cincinnatus could be considered the Noblest Roman.
>He was a great hero recalled from his farm in 458 BC to save Rome
>when its army under the counsel Menucius was being blockaded by the
>Italian Aequi tribe. He thrashed the enemy, resigned his dictatorship
>after 16 days and returned to his farm. He did other significant
>things for Rome but took no great honours and always returned to the
>farm. How more noble can you get?
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10950 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: I feel wonderful tonight...
Salve!

What a wonderful idea, especially considering the wonderful weather
lately (in Oregon, at least...) It's so easy to forget to enjoy it,
since so many of our activities are online. Anyone up for a hike?

Arnamentia


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caius Curius Saturninus
<c.curius@w...> wrote:
> Salvete omnes,
>
> After (too) many years I did it today: I took my bicycle from the
> pile of unsorted things, changed tires, tuned the breaks and shifts
> and washed some dust off. Then I and Emilia Curia made a 3 hour
trip
> to the nearby forest roads. And now that I'm back I can tell you
that
> my legs are aching, but otherwise I feel wonderful!
>
> It is of course great that he feels wonderful, you might think, but
> what it has to do with Roman things?
>
> Well, Romans were known for their love for good bodily condition
(at
> least during the republic) and I thought I should share with you
all
> the idea: that it is not too late to do some exercise, even if it
is
> several years since the last time you did. So, my fellow Romans,
get
> into fresh air and move yourself!
>
> :-)
>
> Valete,
> --
>
> Caius Curius Saturninus
>
> Accensus Superior Primus (Ductor Cohortis) Cohors Consulis CFQ
> Legatus Regionis Finnicae
> Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
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>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10951 From: Al Grace Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: "Jim and Loup garou"
thank you for the welcome, i will check things out, but it might take me awhile because i have school and all. have a loverly day!
alina


Welcome to Nova Roma. My good friend Quintus Lanius Paulinus speaks for
you, and that is a definite plus as far as I am concerned.

I think that you will be pleased to be a member of Nova Roma, It has
many facets, and many groups that are interested in all aspects of the
Roman world.

I invite you to consider joining the Sodalitas Miltarium if you are
interested in the Military World of Rome. The Militarium is like a club
which discusses various military subjects and aspects of our world.

I also invite you to join the Sodalitas Egressus if you are interested
in an outreach program to bring Nova Roma to those not aquainted with
it.

In both organizations are some very dedicated and clever people who are
very interested in the activities not only of Nova Roma but also of the
specific areas in which they work at research, drawing, discussing, and
providing new information. I am most pleased to be associated with
these very clever and industrious people,and am pleased to welcome you
as well -- as your interest moves you.

It is fairly easy to join either above mentoned Sodalitas -- just write
a message to:

trog99@...

and ask to join. I will send this E-Mail to that address so that my
Beneficarius Pompeia Strabo will be ready for your applications should
you wish to take up my offer. We have many ladies who are interested in
the Roman Military and Beneficarius Strabo, has been appointed as
Militarium Tribunus Militum as well as the Praefectus for Roman Naval
Reseach for her efforts and contributions to the Militarium. The
Militarium also has Praefects for the Roman Legions, the Aritecs and
Mapmakers, the Auxiliaries, and Gladiators. Mistress Loup larou, I am
sure that you will like Mistress Pompeia Strabo. I value her greatly as
she has been an excellent companion in this world, and one day, I shall
make the effort to visit her in Canada.

There are many other things in NR to be interested in. Our Honored
Consul Labienus from time to time runs a fam course in better
understanding NR in the Academia Thule.

This Academia was founded by my very good friend the Honored Consul
Quintillianus from Sweden. He and I have been blessed to meet face to
face in Oslo, Norway, and have sealed a great friendship thanks to Nova
Roma. I hope that you will be as lucky as I have been in finding good
friends the world over through Nova Roma.

There are as well several Legions whom Nova Roma sponsors, and there are
many openings in your Provincias for a wide variety of different areas
of effort if you are interested in being of some service to Nova Roma.

Finally, if you have any particular skills, desires or questions
regarding NR, I invite you to contact me, and while I certainly don't
have an answer for everything, it may well be that I can put you in
touch with someone who can answer your needs.

Now, I must apologize to those other new Citizens who have joined NR
since I last spoke on this subject. I have in my reenactment world been
unusually taken up with projects, and I have gotten behind on my
welcomes, and for that I am sorry. However, I invite all of you new
Citizens, as I have invited both Master Jim and Mistress Loup garou, to
jump into Nova Roma, look around, be active, and if you have any
questions I should be pleased to answer them and make your aquaintance
in a more personal way.

Welcome my friends to Nova Roma!!!! It is what you will make of it, and
I sincerely welcome each and every one of you, with your ideas, dreams,
skills and fresh outlooks on this collection of people dedicated to
renewing in the best ways possible the Roman Ideas.

Most Sincerely amd Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Citizen of Nova Roma

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10952 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: gangs
A. Apollonius Cordus to Governor D. Iunius Silanus and
all citizens and peregrines, greetings.

> Britannia has currently one of the highest
proportion
> of inactive cives out of any of Nova Roma's
provinces
> (although out situation is improving). I would be
> genuinely surprised if 20 British cives reply to the
> bulk email...which means that I will have to snail
> mail about 60 individuals, out of my own pocket
(cost
> approx $30-50). This will take me about half a day
to
> accomplish, and my thanks from the state will be an
> $8 tax break.

In the spirit of conciliation, I should be glad to
help you complete the British section of the census if
the Fabian law passes. I live in Oxford, with people I
can stay with in London and in Lancashire, which gives
a relatively good spread of places from which to make
'phone calls. :)

Cordus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10953 From: jademermaid@aol.com Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Digest Number 617
Alright. My last post was bitchy and I apologize. Yet I really do find most
of the posts here tedious, and that statement I will stand by.

Thank you, dear cousin Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, for directing my energies
toward the Eagle, a far more constructive effort!

Visne saltare?

Violentilla Titinia Saltatrix


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10954 From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: gangs
In a message dated 5/28/03 2:36:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
AthanasiosofSpfd@... writes:


> I find your
> blanket statements, against provincial leadership, insulting. However, I
> have
> come to accept that about you...and would honestly expect nothing less. You
>
> have a "my way or the highway attitude,"

If what you are saying is I don't suffer shirkers gladly, you are correct.
It is not like we have been in existance for 300 years. Everyone who is a
magistrate involved in this project must be comitted 100%. Other wise we are
doomed to eventually fail. I know a bunch od Praetors
Modius, some are excellent some are "who cares"

Fabius


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10955 From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: gangs
Fabius:

Those provincial magistrates who have a "who cares" attitude should be removed. You are in a much better position, as a senator, to help faciliate this than I. I know that there are many provincial magistrates who do care, and who are committed to our Republic. I am not as aware of the apathetic ones, as you are. But I if they are not providing leadership in their provinces they should find another way to serve the Republic that will best utilize their talents.

I share your frustration, however, I caution you to make sweeping statements about everyone in a provincial post. I feel you will get more people agreeing with you if you address it as you did below.

On a similar, yet related note, I think the Religio of Nova Roma is in a poor state. We have Pontiffs and priesthood holders who have not paid taxes, and who also seem to have the "who cares" attitude. This is very SAD! I do not always agree with you, but I do agree that everyone in a leadership role needs to be committed 100%

Vale;

G. Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 5/28/2003 7:30:05 PM Eastern Standard Time, qfabiusmaxmi writes:

>
>
> In a message dated 5/28/03 2:36:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> AthanasiosofSpfd@... writes:
>
>
> > I find your
> > blanket statements, against provincial leadership, insulting. However, I
> > have
> > come to accept that about you...and would honestly expect nothing less. You
> >
> > have a "my way or the highway attitude,"
>
> If what you are saying is I don't suffer shirkers gladly, you are correct.
> It is not like we have been in existance for 300 years. Everyone who is a
> magistrate involved in this project must be comitted 100%. Other wise we are
> doomed to eventually fail. I know a bunch od Praetors
> Modius, some are excellent some are "who cares"
>
> Fabius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10956 From: deciusiunius Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: The noblest Roman?
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia Aventina"
<diana@p...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> <2, If not Brutus, then who do you consider to be the
> <noblest Roman?
>
> Well Palladius, that's an easy one.
>
> The answer could only be you and Q Fabius Maximus.
>
> Vale,
> Diana
> ;-)

Actually, it was my gensmate DeciMus Iunius Silanus who posted the
question. The similar praenomina often confuse people.

Thank you though for the place of honor on your list. ;-)

Vale,

Palladius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10957 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Quintus Fabius Maximus
Salve Senator,

I was just looking through the Album photos in Nova Roma and saw your
picture there. By the gods, I'm surprised that living in Hollywood
you have not been grabbed up by a movie company for a major part in a
Roman movie such as Gladiator. You look just as I imagined some of
the younger lively Emperors to be. Good show!

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10958 From: deciusiunius Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> Salve Senator,
>
> I was just looking through the Album photos in Nova Roma and saw
your
> picture there. By the gods, I'm surprised that living in Hollywood
> you have not been grabbed up by a movie company for a major part in
a
> Roman movie such as Gladiator. You look just as I imagined some of
> the younger lively Emperors to be. Good show!

Oh good Gods, just what Fabius needs, someone to boost his ego! We're
NEVER going to hear the end of this. ;-)

Decius Iunius Palladius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10959 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@t...> wrote:

Salve Decius!

Well the truth is the truth. Does the photo not look classical? (grin)

Quintus Lanius Paulinus


> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
> Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> > Salve Senator,
> >
> > I was just looking through the Album photos in Nova Roma and saw
> your
> > picture there. By the gods, I'm surprised that living in
Hollywood
> > you have not been grabbed up by a movie company for a major part
in
> a
> > Roman movie such as Gladiator. You look just as I imagined some
of
> > the younger lively Emperors to be. Good show!
>
> Oh good Gods, just what Fabius needs, someone to boost his ego!
We're
> NEVER going to hear the end of this. ;-)
>
> Decius Iunius Palladius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10960 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: CEIPAC
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here is a link to the website of the Centro Para el Estudio de la
Interdependencia Provincial en la AntigŸedad Clasca (Centre for the
Study of Provincial Interdependence in Classical Antiquity) at the
University opf Barcelona in Spanish:

http://ceipac.gh.ub.es/

CEIPAC sponsors several archaeological excavations -- Mount Testaccio
(Rome), the Roman city of Arva (Alcolea del R'o, Sevilla), the Roman
village of Vilarenc (Calafell, Tarragona), and the Roman village of
Catarroja (Valencia) and research projects -- Data- processing of the
Corpus of Instrumentum Domesticum and the Circulation of Amphoras in
the Tarraconense Conventus Asturun, central Catalonia, and Barcino.
The site contains descriptions and photos of the Centre's activities
as well as lists of its publications. The site is also available in
English:

http://ceipac.gh.ub.es/index_en.html

and Catalan:

http://ceipac.gh.ub.es/index_ca.html

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10961 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-05-28
Subject: The Appointment of Scriba Curatoris Differum
EDICTVM CVRATORIS DIFFERUM
The Appointment of Scriba Curatoris Differum
E Domo Curatoris Differum Violentilla Titinia Saltatrix


is hereby appointed Scriba Curatoris Differum effective Today

the 29th of MAIVS MMDCCLVI auc 29 May 2003.

In the consulship of Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
and Titus Labienus Fortunatus

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, Curator




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10962 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus
G. Iulius Scaurus D. Iunio Palladio salutem dicit.

Salve, D. Iuni.

> Oh good Gods, just what Fabius needs, someone to boost his ego! We're
> NEVER going to hear the end of this. ;-)

My question is: what's a Roman senator doing wearing a diadem? Or is
that just my old, failing eyesight? :-).

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10963 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Rome poem question
Salve Romans

Does anybody know of a poem, ancient or modern , written about Rome, that is short but captures her sprit, her glory, her essential qualities .

It could be a short passage from a larger work or it could be a stand alone work.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum
Fortuna Favet Fortibus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10964 From: Pipar - Steven Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Rome poem question
Salus et Fortuna,

Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>
> Salve Romans
>
> Does anybody know of a poem, ancient or modern , written about Rome, that is short but captures her sprit, her glory, her essential qualities .
>
> It could be a short passage from a larger work or it could be a stand alone work.
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Curator Differum
> Fortuna Favet Fortibus
>

Here's one I wrote a few years ago:

My impression of the founding of Rome.

Genesis Romana - 22 January 2753 AUC

The Hand of Mars, reached down one day
To choose a tribe, to call His own
By seven hills, in rustic huts
Amidst their herds, they made their lives

A Latin folk, both proud and strong
Old Quirinus, inspired them
To scale the mounts, and build thereon
This small, rude start, grew into more

A foreign folk, became their kings
All things went well, for long and long
More gods were met, rites learned, shrines built
More ways came in, a dark seed fell

And bitter grew their hearts to them
Farmers, herdsmen, craftsmen took sword
This people fought, threw off the yoke
Of foreign king, took future's reins

This hardy folk, in forum spoke
They made their Law, and Orders set
By Gens and Tribe, by deed and word
Set hand to fate, created Rome

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In Amicus sub Fidelis
- Piperbarbus Ullerius Venator
Civis Nova Romana et Paterfamilias

Rubigo numquam dormit!
(Rust never sleeps!)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10965 From: Lucius Rutilius Minervalis Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Rome poem question
Salvete omnes !

By example, here is a poem written by Rutilius Namatianus:

Exaudi, Regina tui pulcherrima mundi,
Inter sidereos Roma recepta polos ;
Exaudi, genetrix hominum genetrixque deorum
Non procul a caelo per tua templa sumus.
Te canimus semperque, sinent dum fata, canemus :
Sospes nemo potest immemor esse tui.
Obruerint citius scelerata oblivia solem
Quam tuus ex nostro corde recedat honos.
Nam solis radiis aequalia munera tendis,
Qua circumfusus fluctuat Oceanus.
Volvitur ipse tibi, qui continet omnia, Phoebus,
Eque tuis ortos in tua condit equos.
Te non flammigeris Lybie tardavit arenis,
Non armata suo reppulit Ursa gelu :
Quantum vitales natura tetendit in axes,
Tantum virtuti pervia terra tuae.
Fecisti patriam diversis gentibus unam,
Profuit injustis, te dominante, capi,
Dumque offers victis proprii consortia juris,
Urbem fecisti quod prius orbis erat.
Auctores generis Venerem Martemque fatemur,
Aeneadum matrem Romulidumque patrem :
Mitigat armatas victrix clementa vires :
Convenit in mores numen utrumque tuos.
Hinc tibi certandi bona parcendique voluptas :
Quos timuit, superat ; quos superavit, amat.
Inventrix oleae colitur, vinique repertor
Et qui primus humo pressit aratra puer ;
Aras Paeoniam meruit medicina per artem ;
Factus et Alcides nobilitate Deus.
Tu quoque, legiferis mundum complexa triumphis,
Foedere communi vivere cuncta facis.
Te, Dea, te celebrat Romanus ubique recessus,
Pacificoque gerit libera colla jugo.
Omnia perpetuos quae servant sidera motus
Nullum viderunt pulchrius imperium.

Vale !

Lucius Rutilius Minervalis

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:
> Salve Romans
>
> Does anybody know of a poem, ancient or modern , written about
Rome, that is short but captures her sprit, her glory, her essential
qualities .
>
> It could be a short passage from a larger work or it could be a
stand alone work.
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Curator Differum
> Fortuna Favet Fortibus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10966 From: Mary Beth Clemons Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: [Nova Roma] Newbies/Ingratitude
NOTICE:

Ok...this is the third time I have written this email. While signing the first one, the power went off. While trying to remember what I said in the first one and typing the second one, MS Explorer decided to error and close itself. So, this is what I remember from the first one which was a lot better! You've been warned..now onto the important part of my email.

PREACH ON, BROTHER PAULINUS!

Your words are wise and reminded me of why I crept away from NR in the first place. As an ex-magistrate, I know how much time it takes to fulfill the duties of your office. And nowadays Time is one of our most precious commodies. We aren't perfect and life happens, so I hope we can be more tolerant of the mistakes of our kind volunteers.

Also after reading some of the, let's say "colorful" debates, I recalled how stressful it is to be an officer. Sure, I got angry when someone doesn't see the world the way I do, but bear this in mind before you send that reply sprinkled with a hint of malice: the person with whom you don't agree wants the same you do: what's best for NR. Work from that common ground. Remember, there's more than one way to run a republic. Oh, wait...that's not how the saying goes... ;o)

Your tree-hugging Roman,

Minervina Iucundia Flavia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10967 From: deciusiunius Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Census
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, jmath669642reng@w... wrote:
> Honored Senator Palladius;

Ave Senator et Consular Marce Minuci Audens,

> I have unfortunately, as I have so often done in the past. made
>myself unclear, and for that I must apologize.

snip

> You have indeed been my mentor in the past, and your views are
>certainly among those that I read and value. So, I beg that perhaps
>my concerns have been better stated on this occasion, and that
>perhaps I may have erased, by so doing, your idea that I oppose the
>expression of concerns on the part of the citizens of NR. What I
>oppose is insulting remarks, name-calling and political manuvering
>that has little to do with carrying out the determination of the NR
>Citizens.

Thank you for your kind words and I join you in your opposition to
insulting remarks and name calling. There is no need for one to
resort to it, and though I understand the temptation at times I hope
no one sees my actions as being a personal attack on the consul or
anyone else.

As for political maneuvering, as politicians that is what we do. The
consul is maneuvering through his posts and the posts and actions of
his staff to get his legislation passed, I have been maneuvering to
prevent its passage because I disagree with portions of it but at the
same time building support to amend the damaging portion of the law
if it passes, which it likely will since almost all laws pass when
voted on in NR. Whether that is successful remains to be
seen. "Political maneuvering" for what one thinks is right for Nova
Roma is not wrong in my opinion. Doing it for mere political
advantage is, as you rightly condemn.

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10968 From: Gnaeus Salix Astur Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Suggestion (shooting my mouth off)
Salvete Quirites; et salve, F. Galeri.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a... wrote:
> F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to G. Modius Athanasius, Flamen
> Pomonalis. Salve.
>
> I strongly disagree with this sentiment. I believe that the
> Religio could be better served if the pontiffs, flamens, and augurs
> published articles on the mainlist and in The Eagle to put forward
> the goals and beliefs of the Religio and also by attending pagan
> festivals to teach classes & perform public rituals.
> After casting about for a pontiff or flamen to teach a class at the
> Pagan Unity Festival [in April] and not having any success, I
> finally taught the class myself using the materials available to
> any citizen.

To be sincere, I have to say that I have found a similar response
when looking for someone to impart the Academia Religio course among
our current priests.

> The result was a very well attended class that yielded one new
> citizen for NR. Issac Bonewits and I discussed the class as we
> were driving back from visiting the Parthenon in Nashville. As I
> remember, he believes that many pagans committed to non-specific
> paths might find the Greek and Roman reconstructed religions just
> the right thing for them. A Babylonian-Akkadian ritual to Innana
> was held on Friday night and a Druidical ritual to the Dagda and
> Brigid on Saturday night [led by Issac & Gray Cat]. Both were well
> received by the majority of the laity who had been exposed to
> mostly Wiccan, CM, Christian, Jewish, and Buddhist rituals.

What a hell of a time you had! I am green with envy :-).

> I believe that more than anything else, NR needs to put the religio
> out into the world.

I couldn't agree more.

CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10969 From: deciusiunius Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: De Re Censo
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Equitius" <vergil@s...>
wrote:
> Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur Quiritibus SPD

Salve Luci Equiti Cincinnate Augur!

> On way to cut down on such casual "click, join and disappear"
> citizens is to go back to a physical, mail-in form. Most "casual
> joiners" will not go through the trouble of filling out an
> application, buying a stamp and mailing it. This would be a simple
> way to prevent likely inactive citizens from joining in the first
> place.
>
> Sorry, didn't mean to ramble.
>
> Vale, Decius Iunius Palladius

>
> I've been an advocate of a return to the 'snail-mail' application
>since the online form was first implemented. Instead of 'weeding out
>the dead wood' we would have 'weeded out' those who aren't the least
>bit serious from the start. Really, a stamp and SASE (self addressed
>stamped envelope) isn't that much time or money. Quite frankly if
>one can't manage that then one ought to reconsider their priorities.

Yes, I remember that you were and I believe you are right. You were
the first to advocate a return to that form. It would and would have
saved us a lot of trouble.

I've always thought of the term as "weeding out the dead-wood" as
kind of your trademark phrase and thus didn't use it when making my
post.

Just out of curiosity, what is your view of putting the "dead-wood"
into a permanent "socii" status instead of just dropping them?

> Yes, that is how I felt last year when the Lex Cornelia DE CENSO
>was being voted upon. Perhaps I should have been outspoken in my
>objections, but I would have been willing to try had we been given
>the support of the Senate.

Did you approach the senate about this? I don't recall. You should
have been outspoken--that I would recall. ;-) You've never had any
trouble being outspoken.

> I do believe that the Censores ought to be consulted on how they
>are going to do their job, as anyone who is a supervisory position
>ought. Censor is a very demanding position and to expect someone to
>devote so much time and energy to it AND then in the middle of a
>term ADD a financial burden, however sight, without their
>consultation and approval is an outrage.

> I just wanted to set the record straight that we didn't "ignore"
the Census last year.

Thank you for your view of the situation. Perhaps I should have
contacted you directly for your perspective. Ideally, I believe what
you as censors probably should have done would have been to gather
information on how expensive conducting the census would have been
and then presented it to the Senate and said "this can't possibly be
done in this form with tremendous expense." It would have prevented
all the accusations of the censors ignoring their duties.

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10970 From: Decimus Iunius Silanus Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: gangs
Salve Aule Apolloni,

> In the spirit of conciliation,

Had we fallen out?

> I should be glad to
> help you complete the British section of the census
> if
> the Fabian law passes.

Your offer is most welcome and I am truly grateful for
it...however I believe the Fabian law specifies
governors and their legates only to conduct the census
provincially. As a consequance I would not be sure of
the legality of your assistance unless I were to
appoint you a legate. Of course I have a vacant
position if you are interested. However, I should be
loathe to make the appointment of the basis of any
forthcoming census alone.

Please contact me privately should you wish to pursue
this further.

Bene vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus
Propraetor Britanniae.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10971 From: Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Nix Imperial Creations
Salvete

Has anyone ever order anything from Nix Imperial Creations
http://www.niximperial.com/

There is a replica of the armour from the statue of Augustus of the Prima
Porta that I am interested in purchasing. I was just wondering about the
quality of their work.

Thanks

Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10972 From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Suggestion (shooting my mouth off)
In a message dated 5/29/2003 2:45:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
salixastur@... writes:

> >I believe that more than anything else, NR needs to put the religio
> >out into the world.
>
> I couldn't agree more.

I have said several times, and being accused of modernism, that the priests
of Nova Roma need to integrate and work with other Pagans in the "Pagan
Revival" of our modern times. Attend festivals, lead workshops and rituals, ect...
We don't need to "new age" ourselves, but simply maintain a presence. This
year I am attending a 900+ person gathering in Ohio known as Pagan Spirit
Gathering. While there I am facilitating two workshops; Cult of Mithras, and
Priesthood's of Ancient Rome as well as hosting a networking meeting for
Reconstructionists. In September the local ADF Grove (the only Hellenic Grove in ADF) I
lead is hosting a weekend festival.

I am very involved in the Pagan community as a Reconstructionist, albeit a
moderate one. I joined Nova Roma because of the Religio, and I am not satisfied
with the state of the Religio within our Republic. We have lost several
pontifices over the last year, and at least two have not paid their taxes for this
year. We also have several members of the priesthood who are simply out of
touch, and also have not paid their taxes. Is a reform necessary?

Vale;

G. Modius Athanasius
Flamen Pomonalis


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10973 From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus
In a message dated 5/28/03 9:13:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gfr@...
writes:


> My question is: what's a Roman senator doing wearing a diadem? Or is
> that just my old, failing eyesight? :-).
>

Well, the diadem...Sigh, it wasn't my idea, I had broken my foot and I was
getting ready to go out to the Erotic Masquerade ball. My girl at the time
wanted us to go as Agnamemnon and Bresis. You should have seen her Gracian see
thru gown. Anyway I thought that a Mycenaean king would have that as a symbol
of his Kingship.
I have my togas, but with no pics of them. So instead I look like an
Etruscan monarch in the pic.
Bummer!

Q. Fabius Maximus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10974 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus
G. Iulius Scaurus Q. Fabio Maximo salutem dicit.

Salve, Q. Fabi.

> Well, the diadem...Sigh, it wasn't my idea, I had broken my foot and
I was
> getting ready to go out to the Erotic Masquerade ball. My girl at
the time
> wanted us to go as Agnamemnon and Bresis. You should have seen her
Gracian see
> thru gown. Anyway I thought that a Mycenaean king would have that
as a symbol
> of his Kingship.
> I have my togas, but with no pics of them. So instead I look like an
> Etruscan monarch in the pic.
> Bummer!

Well, to paraphrase Cato the Elder, one can get into all sort of
devilment by aping those damned Greeks and their ways... Not, of
course, that I would have passed up the opportunity to examine Bresis
in better light... ah, for purely research purposes, you know :-).

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10975 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Nix Imperial Creations
G. Iulius Scaurus Gaio Vipsanio Agrippae salutem dicit.

Salve G. Vipsani.

I've never ordered anything from Nix, but the photos on their website
suggest that the workmanship is of relatively high quality. But,
correct me if I'm wrong, didn't your relative Marcus have some trouble
over looking better in an uniform than his commander? I suppose,
after all, he did get to marry the boss' daughter, so it couldn't have
been too much trouble.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10976 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: The noblest Roman?
Salvete Iunii,

< Actually, it was my gensmate DeciMus Iunius Silanus who posted the
< question. The similar praenomina often confuse people.

Yikes! I'm feeling more like a jerk than usual. My apologies for the mix-up
gentlemen ! Ok, so I'll have to update my Noble Roman list to include a
second Iunius!
Valete,
Diana



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10977 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: The noblest Roman?
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Decimus Iunius Silanus
<danedwardsuk@y...> wrote:

> 2, If not Brutus, then who do you consider to be the
> noblest Roman?
>
> I'd be interested in your thoughts.
>

My vote for noblest Roman has no name, the Roman Legionare.

Q. Cassius Calvus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10978 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Voting for the Lex Fabia de censo
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Salvete, omnes cives Romani.

In a little less than six hours the polling in the Comitia will end
and we shall know whether the Lex Fabia de censo has been adopted. I
strong urge my fellow citizens who have not yet voted to do so
quickly, regardless of whether they approve or oppose the measure.

The census is a turning point for NR. The policy of online signup has
led to a large number of citizens who seem never to do anything
further than signup. Some say that we should chuck this dead wood out
of the citizenzy's rank. I am more sympathetic to the senior consul's
policy of treating inactive citizens as socii and making one last try
to determine who among these people still share our vision of Nova
Roma. Certainly it would be cheaper to simply say, if you haven't
paid taxes or voted in the magisterial elections, you're just a
needless hanger-on who never had any real commitment to NR and you've
shown it with your bovine inactivity. But that would not be an
honourable, Roman way to deal with the matter.

When the Censores accepted the applications of these folk, they
_became_ Roman citizens with all the responsibilities and privileges
of Roman citizenship. We, Romans of Nova Roma, extended the hand of
citizenship to these people and it would be a least discourteous and
more likely still dishonourable to simply dump them from the citizen
rolls without ascertaining if they still wished to be citizens. The
census must be done, not so that our rolls can be cleaned of shirkers,
but so that we as Romans can extend our hands one last time to invite
these inactive citizens to join us in actively building NR.

If citizenship is to have the sacred value which we attach to it, then
we are morally obligated to take the few extra steps to enquire
directly whether an inactive citizen would like to join us anew in
building the New Rome. We owe that much to anyone who for any reason
sought the citizenship of Nova Roma, because we Nova Romans hold our
active citizens to a higher standard. If we purge the citizen rolls
arbitrarily or by fiat, we devalue all our citizenships. We owe the
census to the dignitas of our citizenship, regardless of whether our
inactive citizens have drifted away by inertia, little real interest,
or the vicissitudes of daily life.

I strongly support raising the bar for full citizenship in ways that
have been suggested here. What I cannot support is a policy of not
taking one, final opportunity to reignite the spark of Rome in each of
our inactive citizens. Roman citizen can be taken away only by
judicial procedure or by census. We owe it to ourselves as the living
embodiment of the Roman res publica. Those inactives whom we cannot
contact will become socii, some who respond may ask to become socii,
others still will remember the promise which NR held for them when
they applied for citizenship and return as active citizens. We owe it
to ourselves and to the dignity of Roman citizenship to conduct the
best and most exhaustive census possible.

I support the Lex Fabia de censo. I have already voted for it. I
know it will be less costly that the earlier census law. I know that
conducting the census primarily at the provincial level will ensure
greater success of contact. I urge you, cives Romani, to vote for the
Lex Fabia de censo for these reasons.

I agree that we soon must draft a lex which limits the time period for
which an inactive may remain a socius. But until we know truly what
the numbers are -- numbers we can only gain from a well-conducted
census -- we cannot draft an appropriate lex to limit social status.
But let us not diminish the value of our citizenship by conducting
anything less than a detailed, exhaustive census which will allow us
to see where the res publica truly stands.

For Roma, for the dignitas of civitas romana, for the principles of
fairness and justice which count high among the Roman virtues, support
the Lex Fabia de censo in the few reamaining hours we have before the
polling is closed. I pray that the Genius of Roma guides your hand to
support this good and Roman law.

Valete, Quirites!

G. Iulius Scaurus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10979 From: Decimus Iunius Silanus Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: The noblest Roman?
Salve,

> Ok, so I'll have to update my Noble
> Roman list to include a
> second Iunius!

Yikes...me? A noble Roman? Haha you haven't met me
when I've had a couple of pints of the local brew ;-)

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10980 From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Q. Fabius Maximus / Praetors
Senator Mximus -- Well as a referee in a Gladiator Ring, he can be a
tiger (Grin!!!!!!!!!).

Praetor Concerns -- I agree that not all Praetors or Magistrates are
committed to the success of Nova Roma to the extent that we might
expect. I think in any world=wide organization that appoints Praetors
based on what they say rather than what they do, such is the norm.

Further, I disagree that an opponent in any given argument wants the
same as his / her opponent. In my experience, here in Nova Roma, there
have been several people who have wanted to change Nova Roma
significantly from what it is today. Most of those people are gone now,
but there will always be that minority in any large organization who
strive to change any institution to which they belong into thier own
image of that institution.

The Senate rules on the appointment and continuation of Praetors based
upon their promises and thier desire to continue in place primarily. To
a lesser degree upon the recommendation of members of the Senate.
During my tenure in the Senate I have not received one message from any
Propraetor / Praetor advising me to consider not continuing a Praetor in
place for cause.

Certainly, there have been Praetors which have disappeared into the
woodwork without explanation, and the Magistrates have had to seek out
replacements, and in other cases volunteers have spoken up, and have
been put into place. There have also been those who were continued
simply because there was no-ne to replace them. However, I would think
that the time has come for the Provincial Praetors to begin to police
themselves, rather than place the responsibility solely upon the Senate,
Certainly the Senate has the last say in the matter, but even some
negative votes on the agenda item, given for good reason, may well have
a significant effect.

I gave up my ProConsulship after three years, because I felt that I had
a gentleman in mind that could do a better job than I had. I was right,
he has taken charge of the Nova Britannia Provincia and has
significantly improved the program, and has brought togther the Citizens
of that Provincia as never before. I am proud to proclaim this to the
micro-nation, but I am not aware of the success or lack of it in regard
to other Provinciae. As a Senator faced with that decision each year, I
would be grateful for some kind of indication about what the Praetors as
a group think about the continuation or initial appointment of one of
thier number.

In the United States, and I would suppose in any other Republic, there
are organizations which are well thought of by the general public who
advise the voting citizens and elected magistrates regarding thier
views. Very often these groups prove to be very valuable in thier
revalations and thier recommendations. I think that I should like to
see something along those lines to assist the Senate in making the
determinations to initially appoint, or continue in office any given
ProPraetor / Praetor.

In closing, therefore, I should like to encourage the Provincial
Praetors as a whole to look to policing thier own, setting some
standards for a Provincial Praetor and his / her Legates, and developing
a Minimal Provincial Program which requires some work on the part of
appointed Provincial Officers. I have a few ideas which I would be
pleased to share if anyone is interested, but whether or not, it is my
considration that perhaps such an effort should be established for the
benefit of NR.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Senator and ProConsul

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10981 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Nix Imperial Creations
Salve Gai Vipsani,

I check out the site now and then, but I have never ordered
anything. I do have to say I LOVE that helmet. Being married,
however, I have to weigh the consequences of the wife finding out I
spent $675 for a Roman helmet vs. the joy in owning it ;-O.

Vale,
Gaius Popillius Laenas

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa"
<vipsaniusagrippa@h...> wrote:
> Salvete
>
> Has anyone ever order anything from Nix Imperial Creations
> http://www.niximperial.com/
>
> There is a replica of the armour from the statue of Augustus of
the Prima
> Porta that I am interested in purchasing. I was just wondering
about the
> quality of their work.
>
> Thanks
>
> Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10982 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Rome poem question
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Rutilius Minervalis"
<pjtuloup@y...> wrote:
> Salvete omnes !
>
> By example, here is a modern poem written by one of my favourite
writers, Oscar Wilde:
>



>Oscar Wilde (1854–1900). Poems. 1881.

17. Rome Unvisited



I.

THE corn has turned from grey to red,
Since first my spirit wandered forth
From the drear cities of the north,
And to Italia's mountains fled.

And here I set my face towards home, 5
For all my pilgrimage is done,
Although, methinks, yon blood-red sun
Marshals the way to Holy Rome.

O Blessed Lady, who dost hold
Upon the seven hills thy reign! 10
O Mother without blot or stain,
Crowned with bright crowns of triple gold!

O Roma, Roma, at thy feet
I lay this barren gift of song!
For, ah! the way is steep and long 15
That leads unto thy sacred street.

II.

And yet what joy it were for me
To turn my feet unto the south,
And journeying towards the Tiber mouth
To kneel again at Fiesole! 20

And wandering through the tangled pines
That break the gold of Arno's stream,
To see the purple mist and gleam
Of morning on the Apennines.

By many a vineyard-hidden home, 25
Orchard, and olive-garden grey,
Till from the drear Campagna's way
The seven hills bear up the dome!

III.

A pilgrim from the northern seas—
What joy for me to seek alone 30
The wondrous Temple, and the throne
Of Him who holds the awful keys!

When, bright with purple and with gold,
Come priest and holy Cardinal,
And borne above the heads of all 35
The gentle Shepherd of the Fold.

O joy to see before I die
The only God-anointed King,
And hear the silver trumpets ring
A triumph as He passes by! 40

Or at the altar of the shrine
Holds high the mystic sacrifice,
And shows a God to human eyes
Beneath the veil of bread and wine.

IV.

For lo, what changes time can bring! 45
The cycles of revolving years
May free my heart from all its fears,—
And teach my lips a song to sing.

Before yon field of trembling gold
Is garnered into dusty sheaves, 50
Or ere the autumn's scarlet leaves
Flutter as birds adown the wold,

I may have run the glorious race,
And caught the torch while yet aflame,
And called upon the holy name 55
Of Him who now doth hide His face.




Colorful or what!

Enjoy - Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10983 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: The voting is over
Salvete Quirites!

Now the time of the voting is soon over! Voting shall end at 18.00
Roman time Thursday the 29th of May!

I will expect the Rogatores to soon report the result to me, so I can
public it here on the main list and on the Nova Roma Announce list.
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
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http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10984 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Nix Imperial Creations
Salvete,

I tried to resist, but I can't. Since we're talking about armor, I
must pass on this link:

http://www.dmc-metalsmith.com

He does *incredible* custom work. If you are in the market for armor,
definitely have a look.

Arnamentia Moravia


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiuspopilliuslaenas"
<ksterne@b...> wrote:
> Salve Gai Vipsani,
>
> I check out the site now and then, but I have never ordered
> anything. I do have to say I LOVE that helmet. Being married,
> however, I have to weigh the consequences of the wife finding out I
> spent $675 for a Roman helmet vs. the joy in owning it ;-O.
>
> Vale,
> Gaius Popillius Laenas
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa"
> <vipsaniusagrippa@h...> wrote:
> > Salvete
> >
> > Has anyone ever order anything from Nix Imperial Creations
> > http://www.niximperial.com/
> >
> > There is a replica of the armour from the statue of Augustus of
> the Prima
> > Porta that I am interested in purchasing. I was just wondering
> about the
> > quality of their work.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
> >
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10985 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus
A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
greetings.

Well, there's an idea for the Aediles - how about a
'Romans past & present' look-alike contest at the next
games?

Cordus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10986 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Romans Past and Present, was: Quintus Fabius Maximus
I like it! I'll enter as Cato.
Arnamentia


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"
<cordus@s...> wrote:
> A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
> greetings.
>
> Well, there's an idea for the Aediles - how about a
> 'Romans past & present' look-alike contest at the next
> games?
>
> Cordus
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10987 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Census
A. Apollonius Cordus to Senator & Consular Decius
Iunius Palladius and all citizens and peregrines,
greetings.

> The consul is maneuvering through his posts and the
> posts and actions of his staff to get his
> legislation passed...

Well now, it sounds almost as if the Consul writes all
our main list posts for us! We may not care about
titles or century-points, but let us at least have a
little credit... ;)

Yours humourously,

Cordus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10988 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus/ Pailinus And Intergity
>
> Oh good Gods, just what Fabius needs, someone to boost his ego!
We're
> NEVER going to hear the end of this. ;-)
>
> Decius Iunius Palladius


Salve Deci,

I sense you may be implying that I may be hoping to gain brownie
points and favour by complimenting the proconsul. My fellow citizen,
nothing could be futher from the truth. I am a man of intergity, not
ambition. Please do not think that even for a moment.

Yours respectfully,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10989 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: OATH OF OFFICE FOR NEW PROCURATOR - AMERICA SEPTENTRIONALIS
Salvete omnes!

I Quintus Lanius Paulinus thanks to all my great work have been
promoted!

I Quintus Lanius Paulinus solemny swear to uphold the office of
Procurator..... Sorry citizens. I just couldn't resist this one! I'm
in one of those moods today! (LOL)

Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10990 From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus
In a message dated 5/29/03 3:13:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, gfr@...
writes:


> Not, of
> course, that I would have passed up the opportunity to examine Bresis
> in better light... ah, for purely research purposes, you know :-).
>
>

I have pics if you'd like to see...
Fabius


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10991 From: Lucius Pompeius Octavianus Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: attn. factio veneta members
Salvete omnes.
I´m planning to have our internal Ludi (for veneta members only) in
June, let's say about the 20th or so.
Bene valete
L. Pompeius Octavianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10992 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Annual magistrates was Contra New Census Law
F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to Diana Moravia Aventina. Salve.

I am in total agreement with you about longer term limits for certain offices including that of my cousin. Of course, I believe that when he runs again for the magistracy of Curator Differium, he will be voted in by an overwhelming majority. He is indeed one of the hardest working individuals in NR and one of the most productive on the mainlist. Of course, I look forward to your spririted, witty, entertaining, and (sometimes) earthy comments as well. Vale.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10993 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: shooting my mouth off
F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to Violentilla Titinia Saltatrix. Salve.

I believe you have found out the most ill-kept secret in NR. We love to argue, debate, pontificate, abuse, insult, trade low-flying innuendoes and repartee, and generally indulge ourselves in a mud-slinging, old-fashioned political donnybrook. I think we like it more than SCA Laurels like to count threads and nit-pick research.
However, don't think that we go on like this all the time. This little shindig has been going on over a major change in the census structure for NR to try to keep our organization open to a goodly number of inactive members who may have been disillusioned by previous donnybrooks.
NR is built upon a basic group of ideals that are among the most admirable in history and continue to be sought after by many civilized humans to this day. The Religio is particularly suited to the modern pagan as a modified reconstruction that suits both the urbanite and rural pagan. Do not be discouraged by the occasional ramblings of a few overbearing (but often well meaning) citizens. Look on the bright points such as the newly revived Eagle, the continuing research into the Religio, the plans for provinicial events that are developing. Always remember, little sister, that NR is still in the act of becoming something that will move out of the internet and into our world. You can be a part of that as many of our citizens are doing. Please stay in touch with me and those that are like-minded to you (the sacerdos of Venus, for instance). There is so much for those with humor, will, and patience to do in Nova Roma. May Venus and Diana grant you good fortune. Vale.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10994 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Suggestion (shooting my mouth off)
F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to G. Modius Athanasius, Flamen Pomonalis. Salve.

Be not green with envy, cousin. Next year, the 7th Pagan Unity Festival will occur and Issac will be back; so will Diana Morrison, M.R. Sellars, and several other notable pagans. I hope to conduct a public ritual and would welcome any assistance if you can attend. All teachers are admitted free to the event which is held from Thursday to Sunday in a large Tennessee State Park with plenty of good food, good mead, a variety of classes, nice cabins, and convivial company. Perhaps you can come down and I will take you to the Parthenon to see the Goddess Athena Parthenos in all her gilded glory. Be thou well and blessed. Vale.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10995 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Suggestion (shooting my mouth off)
I do not believe that paying taxes makes a good priest. It is their spiritual and pastoral activities that are of value. I don't care if an active pontiff, flamen, or augur is CC or As., as long as they post information, rituals, and reference material on the mainlist and other related sites. I encourage all citizens interested and practicing the Religio to share their experiences, religious or mystical, with others.

F Gal Aur Sec
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10996 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: NOVA ROMA INTERNATIONAL RALLY 2756 : news...
Salvete Omnes,
some important news about our Nova Roman Rally in Italy.
I remember you that the subscription is now open and you have a
couple of weeks to confirm your partecipation to the meeting.

:: VILLA LEONA, THE LOCATION OF THE VILLAGE
We have published a schedule and the photos of the location where
we'll stay in 1st and 2nd August. It is a wonderful structure in
Bologna called Villa Leona and builded in XV sec. It has wonderful
paintings and ancient objects and a very large and beautiful garden.
Here we'll organize our BONOMIAE VILLAGE where you can look live
events, gladiatorial combats, military experiments, training camps
and discuss with several roman experts.
The pictures are at
http://aediles.novaroma.org/apulus/meeting/village.htm

:: EXPERTS IN THE MEETING
We received the confirmation of the partecipation of the famous prof.
Nicastro, the roman and etruskian archeologist and professor, ex-
owner of the very famous restaurant Magna Roma.
He's very happy and proud to partecipe and talk with all the Nova
Romans.
We add this name to the list of others local skille re-enactors.

:: THE NUMBER GROWS
Other citizens confirmed the partecipation to the Meeting after
Consul Quintilianus and others!
Enjoy you too!

:: MAILING LIST
The official mailing list of the rally is now open and active.
Subscribe it at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaRomanMeeting2003

+++++++++++++++++++
If you want to take advantage of this accomodation you have to make
your booking through us within June 15th!!! This deadline is for this
accomodation only: to take part to the Rally you have more time.

To give your confirmation either send me a message
(mcserapio@... ) or go to
http://www.cooperativainforma.it/fv/nr/meeting.htm

The website of the NOVA ROMA INTERNATIONAL RALLY is:

http://aediles.novaroma.org/apulus/meeting

We strongly invite you to join this mailing list for further
information and details:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaRomanMeeting2003

We look forward to meeting you next August!!!


Valete
Fr. Apulus CAesar
Senior Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10997 From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Suggestion (shooting my mouth off)
We at least agree that they should be active. Several are not.

G. Modius

In a message dated 5/29/2003 4:23:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE writes:

>
>
> I do not believe that paying taxes makes a good priest. It is their spiritual and pastoral activities that are of value. I don't care if an active pontiff, flamen, or augur is CC or As., as long as they post information, rituals, and reference material on the mainlist and other related sites. I encourage all citizens interested and practicing the Religio to share their experiences, religious or mystical, with others.
>
> F Gal Aur Sec
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10998 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: attn. factio veneta members
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Pompeius Octavianus"
<danielovi@c...> wrote:
> Salvete omnes.
> I´m planning to have our internal Ludi (for veneta members only) in
> June, let's say about the 20th or so.
> Bene valete
> L. Pompeius Octavianus

Salve L.Pompei Octaviane!

Pienso que el Ludi por miembros venetos solamente es un idea muy
bueno porque Facto Presina es numero uno y va a ser muy dificil
conquistarlo. (bromeo, reis)

English - I think the Ludi for veneta members only is a great idea
because Facto Presina is number 1 and it would be very difficult to
conquer it.

Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 10999 From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: NOVA ROMA INTERNATIONAL RALLY 2003
Praefectus Dominus Serapio;

My thanks for your reminder. Unfortunately my wife being a travel
agent; cannot travel during the prime vacation season, it being
necessary that she stay at work and help others to travel during the
month that you have selected..

So I hope that you will all enjoy yourselves to the fullest in Bologna
this summer. If you are able to derive one-half of the pleasure that I
derived from my meeting with the Honored Senior Consul Quintillianus in
Oslo, Norway and his lovely charge!!!), then you will have a rollicking
good time, indeed.

I will keep you all in my mind at the INTERNATIONAL "ROMAN DAYS" EVENT
2003 in Baltimore, Maryland where the Ludi Maximus Gladitore, and the
XXth and XXIVth Legio's and others will strut thier stuff, and where
Roman shops, street vendors and legionaries will rub elbows with Roman
Senators and Gladiators from across the span of three thousand miles of
the United States, and perhaps from Europe and Canada as well.

There will be feasts of Roman Food and Roman wine will flow in small
rivers, while the Senate Elite watch from the comfort of thier cushioned
chairs the Gladiators and Legionaries sweating in the bright sun.

The gleam of Red and Gold as Officers of the Legions move past, together
with the dignified white and purple togas of the Senators.

The thrill of the Gladiator ring and the rush of excitement and blood
lust rising over the arena like an invisible fog as Noxii are sacrificed
in the arena to the crowd's delight, and brave warriors die at the
crowd's desire.

Rich costumes swirl in the streets and pathways, and the sun gleams from
the polished helmets and weapons of the Gladiator Camp, while the long
red and black pennants snap in the breeze. Field exercizes sporting
javelin throwng, running in full armor, one on one legionary combat with
sword and shield, and lovely ladies with sloe eyes tempting tall dark
men in the failing light.

Facinating displays of weapons, clothing , accoutrements line the brick
walkways, and the smell of carnival food floating over all. Bargains
load the vendors shelves and the smell of leather, steel and bronze lend
a thrill as serious customers, labor at a bargain over a spear head or a
diadem for a fair brow.

There will be gatherings in the evening around flickering lamps while
laughter and whispers both abound throughout the night and old friends
(as well as new ones) once again will meet and talk the night away in
the dark warmth of the Old South. The click of shod sandals upon the
stone laid paths making all aware that we are guarded from the spirits
of the night by the watchmen of the Legions.

Yes, my friend I shall miss meeting you all in Bologna face to face, and
I must therefore satisfy myself with such a fare as we will have here on
this far-away outpost beyond the Roman Lake, A sip of wine, a crust of
bread, and a flash of a ladie's ankle must suffice to keep me
entertained in this far-off land, while my desires carry me to whatever
offers on the wind!!!!!.

(He bows his head sadly with just the hint of a grin and a gleam in his
eye, beneath the fluff of his beard!!!!! (-: (-: (-: )

Sooooooooooo, Sadly -- and oh yes Respectfully Too!!!

Marcus Minucius Audens;

The Falernian Night Senator (Grin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

("Lean back on my lap, my dear, and taste this!!!!!," he said with a
smile of assurance, and a flask of Falernian!!!!!!!!)

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucus Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11000 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: A quick thank you to Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Salve Manivs Constantinvs Serapio,

Thank you for the invitation to the NOVA ROMA INTERNATIONAL RALLY. I
will not be able to attend the event, but I do appreciate the
invitation. I hope it is a huge success.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11001 From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Bresis
Now Fabius!!!!! That sounds terribly like, " kiss and tell!!!!"
(-: (-: (-:

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11002 From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Bresis
In a message dated 5/29/03 5:52:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
jmath669642reng@... writes:


> That sounds terribly like, " kiss and tell!!!!"

And imagine my surprise when I found out I had posted my reply to the main
list and not to
Iulius alone. Still suffering from jet lag I guess.

Fabius


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11003 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Roman Markt Days in Maine ROAD TRIP!!!!!
Salve Romans

I have contacted a charter bus company to get the price of a bus for oh, 47-55 people to go from the Metro Washington, Baltimore area and travel to the

ROMAN MARKET DAYS IN MAINE IN SEPTEMBER 2003


Is there anybody who is interested in this idea?

We could plan to stop and pick people up at different cities on the way?


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11004 From: deciusiunius Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus/ Pailinus And Intergity
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> >
> > Oh good Gods, just what Fabius needs, someone to boost his ego!
> We're
> > NEVER going to hear the end of this. ;-)
> >
> > Decius Iunius Palladius
>
>
> Salve Deci,

Salve Pauline,

> I sense you may be implying that I may be hoping to gain brownie
> points and favour by complimenting the proconsul. My fellow
>citizen, nothing could be futher from the truth. I am a man of
>intergity, not ambition. Please do not think that even for a moment.

I wasn't saying that at all, I assumed you said it somewhat tongue in
cheek. I replied in the same vein. I was merely saying, in fun, that
Fabius' famous ego (and he'll be the first to admit its size) doesn't
need such public comparisons. My attempt at humor.

Decius Iunius Palladius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11005 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Bonus Eventus and the Eagle
Salve Romans

We are in the process of putting the JUNE Eagle together and with Graduations etc we wanted to remind everybody about the Bonus Eventus section of the Eagle.

It is used for the" Remembrance of important positive events."

So if you or another Roman you know has just recently been married, had the birth or adoption of a child , eared a degree or been promoted in the military or at the job, been elected to public office etc. send the details to the Eagle at spqr753@...


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum






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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11006 From: deciusiunius Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: The noblest Roman?
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia Aventina"
<diana@p...> wrote:
> Salvete Iunii,
>
> < Actually, it was my gensmate DeciMus Iunius Silanus who posted
the
> < question. The similar praenomina often confuse people.
>
> Yikes! I'm feeling more like a jerk than usual. My apologies for
>the mix-up gentlemen ! Ok, so I'll have to update my Noble Roman
>list to include a second Iunius!

No reason to feel like a jerk, it's not a big deal and I for one
appreciate the mixup! Not every day one gets to be called one of the
noblest Romans.

Decius Iunius Palladius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11007 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-05-29
Subject: Re: The noblest Roman?
Salve Decius Iunius Palladius

But you are one of the noblest Roman!!!

Vale


Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


----- Original Message -----
From: "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 10:53 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The noblest Roman?


> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia Aventina"
> <diana@p...> wrote:
> > Salvete Iunii,
> >
> > < Actually, it was my gensmate DeciMus Iunius Silanus who posted
> the
> > < question. The similar praenomina often confuse people.
> >
> > Yikes! I'm feeling more like a jerk than usual. My apologies for
> >the mix-up gentlemen ! Ok, so I'll have to update my Noble Roman
> >list to include a second Iunius!
>
> No reason to feel like a jerk, it's not a big deal and I for one
> appreciate the mixup! Not every day one gets to be called one of the
> noblest Romans.
>
> Decius Iunius Palladius
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11008 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: The Armamentarium Bibliography
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "The Armamentarium Bibliography":

http://museums.ncl.ac.uk/archive/arma/welc/bibliog.htm

The bibliography is the creation of Dr. Mike Bishop (Honorary Lecturer
in Classics, Univ. Of St. SAndrews) and and Dr. Jon Coulston (Lecturer
in Ancient History and Archaeology, Univ. of St. Andrews). The
bibliography includes citations of 2800+ books, monographs, and
journal articles on every aspect of Roman military history and the
creators have plans to expand with subject bibliographies on Roman
military artefacts, iconography, and restoration/preservation of
archaeological finds.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11009 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus
G. Iulius Scaurus Q. Fabio Maximo salutem dicit

Salve, Q. Fai.

> I have pics if you'd like to see...
> Fabius

Isn't there supposed to be a "nudge, nudge, wink wink" in here
somewhere? I suppose I'll... say no more.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11010 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus/ Pailinus And Intergity
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@t...> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
> Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh good Gods, just what Fabius needs, someone to boost his ego!
> > We're
> > > NEVER going to hear the end of this. ;-)
> > >
> > > Decius Iunius Palladius
> >
> >
> > Salve Deci,
>
> Salve Pauline,
>
> > >
> I wasn't saying that at all, I assumed you said it somewhat tongue
in
> cheek. I replied in the same vein. I was merely saying, in fun,
that
> Fabius' famous ego (and he'll be the first to admit its size)
doesn't
> need such public comparisons. My attempt at humor.
>
> Decius Iunius Palladius

Hi DECI, Lol

Deci, I was just kidding you. I think you missed my warped sense of
humor. Did you read my oath of office for Procurator after i whined
about your posting? Read it over then you'll get it.

Best regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11011 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Let's see the pics! was Quintus Fabius Maximus
Salve Q Fabius,

<Well, the diadem...Sigh, it wasn't my idea, I had broken my foot and I was
<getting ready to go out to the Erotic Masquerade ball. My girl at the time
<wanted us to go as Agnamemnon and Bresis. You should have seen her Gracian
see
<thru gown. Anyway I thought that a Mycenaean king would have that as a
symbol
<of his Kingship.
<I have my togas, but with no pics of them. So instead I look like an
<Etruscan monarch in the pic.

Ok now, this is no fair.... Why is her gown see thru and your clothes
aren't? :-p It's still a man's world I guess!

And don't be a tease, let's see the pics! And don't hold out on us: we want
to see the ones you took after the Erotic Masquerade ball too!

Vale,
Diana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11012 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Annual magistrates was Contra New Census Law
Salve Galerius Aurelianus Secundus,

<Of course, I believe that when he runs again for the magistracy of Curator
Differium, he will be <voted in by an overwhelming majority.

I agree but at the moment the law states that he can not run a second time.

<Of course, I look forward to your spririted, witty, entertaining, and
(sometimes) earthy comments as <well.
LOL! Well, I feel pretty Earthy most of the time too (wink wink nudge nudge
:-)

Vale,
Diana Moravia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11013 From: deciusiunius Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, qfabiusmaxmi@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/29/03 3:13:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
gfr@i...
> writes:
>
>
> > Not, of
> > course, that I would have passed up the opportunity to examine
Bresis
> > in better light... ah, for purely research purposes, you know :-).
> >
> >
>
> I have pics if you'd like to see...
> Fabius

Please let us know when they're uploaded to the Back Alley's photo
section! ;-)

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11014 From: deciusiunius Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: The noblest Roman?
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:
> Salve Decius Iunius Palladius
>
> But you are one of the noblest Roman!!!


My natural modesty compels me to neither confirm, nor deny this! ;-)


Decius Iunius Palladius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11015 From: Manius Constantinus Serapio Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: A quick thank you to Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
AVE OPTIME Q CASSI CALVE

> Thank you for the invitation to the NOVA ROMA INTERNATIONAL RALLY.
I
> will not be able to attend the event, but I do appreciate the
> invitation. I hope it is a huge success.


Oh, well... thank you for thanking me :-)
We also hope it is a huge success: that's a team work, and we would
like the NR International Rally in Europe to become an important
event in the future, not only inside NR! :-)
Just start thinking about coming next year! ;-)

OPTIME VALE
M'Con.Serapio
Qvaestor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11016 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Absentia & thank yous (long!)
Sorry for the cross posting!

Salvete citizens,

After a 6 year battle against various diseases, yesterday morning my father
joined 2 of his brothers, his 4 sisters and various family pets in the
Elysian Fields. I can only hope that my father finds the peace in the
afterlife that eluded him in this lifetime.

I ask anyone who has a spare moment to send a positive thought to my mother
and to ask their God to give her strength during what is by far the worst
thing she's had to deal with in her life. She is close to a mental collapse
due to the strain of 6 years of watching my father degenerate day by day
until only 3 machines and multiple medications kept him bound to this Earth.

I will be leaving tomorrow morning for NYC and returning on Sunday June 15.
I'll bring my ancient laptop with me and will be in email contact again as
of next week, but until my return June 15, supporting my mother will take
precedent over my duties as Tribune. Anyone who needs me can email
diana_aventina@...

Those who have private contact with me know that through my entire term as
Tribune, each month has brought a new catastrophe in my personal life.
Through it all, many citizens have sent me emails offering their moral
support. And this is why I truly believe that even when there is political
bickering going on on this list, the citizens here really care about one
another. This is why I think of Nova Roma as a family and like every family,
we don't always agree and just get on each other's nerves now and then. Ok,
I realize that I just short-circuited the Fluffy Bunny meter with that
comment :-)))

I would particularly like to thank the Collegium Pontificium for their
support at the beginning of April, when things seems so dark & hopeless that
even my faith in the Gods had wavered. Their emails let me see things once
again in the right perspective. So a gigantic thank you to: Marcus Cassius
Julianus, Q Fabius Maximus and Lucius Equitius Cinncinnatus for dragging me
out of a deeper depression than I thought was possible. And a gigantic thank
you also to Quintus Lanius Paulinus for his perceptive email that really
helped me to 'snap me out of it'.

A big thank you goes to the following citizens for the moral support that
they've offered me since this chaotic period began on Jan 1 2003: our
Consules T Fortunatus & C Fabius, Censor M Octavius, our Praetores D Iunius
& G Salix, Senatores P Cassia & L Cornelius, my fellow Tribunes M Marcius, L
Pompeianus, & L Didius Geminus, Rogatores Q Cassius & Renata Corva, 3
Aediles F Apulus, L Arminius & G Equitius, Curator Differum T Galerius
Paulinus, Curator Araneum T Octavius, Mercurius Apollonius Stefanus, G.
Popillius Laenas, G Modius Athanasius, F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus, G
Fabia Livia, C Minucius Scaevola, A Apollonius Cordus, A Apollonius Scipio,
M Constantinus Serapio, C Curius Saturninus & last but not least my
gensmates Arnamentia, Cunctator, Laureatus & Demetrius. I hope that I didn't
forget anyone!

You've all helped me to keep the love of all of God's creatures in my heart,
my silly sense of humour, and the usual goofy smile on my face! A dark cloud
keeps threatening to overtake me, but thanks to you all, I remain one giant
step ahead of it and I can clearly see the Sun shining above me!

With love & big kiss!

Valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11017 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: [SenatusRomanus] Absentia & thank yous (long!)
Salve Illustra Diana Moravia Aventina!

I am so very sorry and will include You and your family in my
prayers. I will also send a special thought to your mother and
include her in a special prayer.

>Sorry for the cross posting!
>
>Salvete citizens,
>
>After a 6 year battle against various diseases, yesterday morning my
>father joined 2 of his brothers, his 4 sisters and various family
>pets in the Elysian Fields. I can only hope that my father finds the
>peace in the afterlife that eluded him in this lifetime.

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11018 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Absentia & thank yous (long!)
Salve Diana,

I'm very sad and displeased, I know what happens in your life during
the last months and I tried to give you positive words, I hope they
were useful.
Now I wish your father should be happy and quiet in the Elysian
Fields or in anywhere he's now. I hope your pain go to the end as
soon as possible. Please, give the biggest kiss to your mother and I
embrace you.

Vale
Fr. Apulus CAesar

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia Aventina"
<diana@p...> wrote:
> Sorry for the cross posting!
>
> Salvete citizens,
>
> After a 6 year battle against various diseases, yesterday morning
my father
> joined 2 of his brothers, his 4 sisters and various family pets in
the
> Elysian Fields. I can only hope that my father finds the peace in
the
> afterlife that eluded him in this lifetime.
>
> I ask anyone who has a spare moment to send a positive thought to
my mother
> and to ask their God to give her strength during what is by far
the worst
> thing she's had to deal with in her life. She is close to a mental
collapse
> due to the strain of 6 years of watching my father degenerate day
by day
> until only 3 machines and multiple medications kept him bound to
this Earth.
>
> I will be leaving tomorrow morning for NYC and returning on Sunday
June 15.
> I'll bring my ancient laptop with me and will be in email contact
again as
> of next week, but until my return June 15, supporting my mother
will take
> precedent over my duties as Tribune. Anyone who needs me can email
> diana_aventina@y...
>
> Those who have private contact with me know that through my entire
term as
> Tribune, each month has brought a new catastrophe in my personal
life.
> Through it all, many citizens have sent me emails offering their
moral
> support. And this is why I truly believe that even when there is
political
> bickering going on on this list, the citizens here really care
about one
> another. This is why I think of Nova Roma as a family and like
every family,
> we don't always agree and just get on each other's nerves now and
then. Ok,
> I realize that I just short-circuited the Fluffy Bunny meter with
that
> comment :-)))
>
> I would particularly like to thank the Collegium Pontificium for
their
> support at the beginning of April, when things seems so dark &
hopeless that
> even my faith in the Gods had wavered. Their emails let me see
things once
> again in the right perspective. So a gigantic thank you to: Marcus
Cassius
> Julianus, Q Fabius Maximus and Lucius Equitius Cinncinnatus for
dragging me
> out of a deeper depression than I thought was possible. And a
gigantic thank
> you also to Quintus Lanius Paulinus for his perceptive email that
really
> helped me to 'snap me out of it'.
>
> A big thank you goes to the following citizens for the moral
support that
> they've offered me since this chaotic period began on Jan 1 2003:
our
> Consules T Fortunatus & C Fabius, Censor M Octavius, our Praetores
D Iunius
> & G Salix, Senatores P Cassia & L Cornelius, my fellow Tribunes M
Marcius, L
> Pompeianus, & L Didius Geminus, Rogatores Q Cassius & Renata
Corva, 3
> Aediles F Apulus, L Arminius & G Equitius, Curator Differum T
Galerius
> Paulinus, Curator Araneum T Octavius, Mercurius Apollonius
Stefanus, G.
> Popillius Laenas, G Modius Athanasius, F. Galerius Aurelianus
Secundus, G
> Fabia Livia, C Minucius Scaevola, A Apollonius Cordus, A
Apollonius Scipio,
> M Constantinus Serapio, C Curius Saturninus & last but not least my
> gensmates Arnamentia, Cunctator, Laureatus & Demetrius. I hope
that I didn't
> forget anyone!
>
> You've all helped me to keep the love of all of God's creatures in
my heart,
> my silly sense of humour, and the usual goofy smile on my face! A
dark cloud
> keeps threatening to overtake me, but thanks to you all, I remain
one giant
> step ahead of it and I can clearly see the Sun shining above me!
>
> With love & big kiss!
>
> Valete,
> Diana Moravia Aventina
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11019 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus
Salve Cordus

> Well, there's an idea for the Aediles - how about a
> 'Romans past & present' look-alike contest at the next
> games?

mmhmhmhm ... funny game .... please increase your idea for the next
Ludi in September! ;-)

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11020 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Quintus Fabius Maximus
Salve Maximus

Erotic Masquerade ball??!!!
... where is the famous conservation of the customs of our Fathers
and religious men??!!! LOL ;-))))
Who save us from the temptation of a spice and luxurious life...?! ;-
P

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, qfabiusmaxmi@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 5/28/03 9:13:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
gfr@i...
> writes:
>
>
> > My question is: what's a Roman senator doing wearing a diadem?
Or is
> > that just my old, failing eyesight? :-).
> >
>
> Well, the diadem...Sigh, it wasn't my idea, I had broken my foot
and I was
> getting ready to go out to the Erotic Masquerade ball. My girl at
the time
> wanted us to go as Agnamemnon and Bresis. You should have seen
her Gracian see
> thru gown. Anyway I thought that a Mycenaean king would have that
as a symbol
> of his Kingship.
> I have my togas, but with no pics of them. So instead I look like
an
> Etruscan monarch in the pic.
> Bummer!
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11021 From: jachthondus Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: shooting my mouth off
Here is another "little-sister", who happens to dislike your answer
to one Violentilla Titiana Saltatrix, dear Mr. F.Galerius Aurelianus
Secundus!!!...

What a scholary-Roman-"blah-blah-blah-blah", "little brother"....

Greetings, Jachthondus.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a... wrote:
> F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to Violentilla Titinia Saltatrix.
Salve.
>
> I believe you have found out the most ill-kept secret in NR. We
love to argue, debate, pontificate, abuse, insult, trade low-flying
innuendoes and repartee, and generally indulge ourselves in a mud-
slinging, old-fashioned political donnybrook. I think we like it
more than SCA Laurels like to count threads and nit-pick research.
> However, don't think that we go on like this all the time. This
little shindig has been going on over a major change in the census
structure for NR to try to keep our organization open to a goodly
number of inactive members who may have been disillusioned by
previous donnybrooks.
> NR is built upon a basic group of ideals that are among the most
admirable in history and continue to be sought after by many
civilized humans to this day. The Religio is particularly suited to
the modern pagan as a modified reconstruction that suits both the
urbanite and rural pagan. Do not be discouraged by the occasional
ramblings of a few overbearing (but often well meaning) citizens.
Look on the bright points such as the newly revived Eagle, the
continuing research into the Religio, the plans for provinicial
events that are developing. Always remember, little sister, that NR
is still in the act of becoming something that will move out of the
internet and into our world. You can be a part of that as many of
our citizens are doing. Please stay in touch with me and those that
are like-minded to you (the sacerdos of Venus, for instance). There
is so much for those with humor, will, and patience to do in Nova
Roma. May Venus and Diana grant you good fortune. Vale.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11022 From: jachthondus Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Post.
May I ask You, Honourable-Romans: Where is my last message?

Jachthondus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11023 From: Decimus Iunius Silanus Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Post.
Salve,

As a new subscriber to this list, you are currently on moderated
status. Your posts are currently reviewed by a list moderator prior
to being forwarded for general consumption.

Providing you adhere to the list guidelines, you will be taken off
moderated status in due course.

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus
Scriba Praetoris.


> May I ask You, Honourable-Romans: Where is my last message?
>
> Jachthondus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11024 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: To Tribuna Diana
Diana,

You have all my sympathies and prayers for your father. I'm sure he
will be happy and keeping an eye on his girl in the next world.

I'll be sending you a private note in the next day or two; I have a
plane to catch in 1 hr to go to work up North but take care and all
the best!

Your friend and fellow citizen,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11025 From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: The see-through gown
Warning!!!! Warning!!! Warning!!! Warning!!!
An attempt at hmor approaching!!!!!!

Ah, lovely Diana;

There surely is a reason for the difference. In my humble opinion, I
would assume that while Bresis in a see-through gown might be a sight to
"launch a thousand ships" -- I fear that like myself and others that I
know Senator Fabius Maximus (pardon my familiarity Senator) in a
see-through gown would most likely "sink them!!!!!!!" (-: (-: (-:

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11026 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Absentia & thank yous (long!)
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia Aventina"
<diana@p...> wrote:
> Sorry for the cross posting!

My deepest sympathies to you, your mater and your family. I know the
pain of losing a father and hope that, in time, when these sad days
are behind you that the memory of many happy days you have spent with
him will return.

---
cura ut valeas,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| www.villaivlilla.com/
@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
||||
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11027 From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: The see-through gown
In a message dated 5/30/03 6:09:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jmath669642reng@... writes:


> I fear that like myself and others that I
> know Senator Fabius Maximus (pardon my familiarity Senator) in a
> see-through gown would most likely "sink them!!!!!!!" (-: (-: (-:
>
>

Humorous reply.

Actually my legs look quite good in a gown...Leastwise Dex thought so,
who am I to contradict a Greek connoisseur? :-)

Fabius


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11028 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Absentia & thank yous (long!)
Dear Diana,

I'd like to add my deepest condolences, and to say that we are here
for you and your mother, with hugs and smiles and whatever you may
need.

take very good care of yourself,
Arnamentia


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Julilla Sempronia Magna"
<curatrix@v...> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia Aventina"
> <diana@p...> wrote:
> > Sorry for the cross posting!
>
> My deepest sympathies to you, your mater and your family. I know
the
> pain of losing a father and hope that, in time, when these sad days
> are behind you that the memory of many happy days you have spent
with
> him will return.
>
> ---
> cura ut valeas,
> @____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
> |||| www.villaivlilla.com/
> @____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
> ||||
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11029 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Annual magistrates was Contra New Census Law
A. Apollonius to all citizens and peregrines,
greetings.

Our Tribune wrote:

> I agree but at the moment the law states that he can
> not run a second time.

This is something that I sometimes wonder about. I
notice the relevant law (a Salic one I think, though I
may be wrong) calls this an 'ancient prohibition' -
from what period does it date?

And was it ever legal, or just customary (though I
know the Romans didn't strongly distinguish between
those two categories). By my recollection it was legal
(though possibly unprecedented) for Ti. Sempronius
Gracchus to hold the Tribunate twice in succession in
the 130s BC; I don't know about other magistracies.

I can see a sort of Roman logic to it - preventing
accumulation of power - but the democrat in me says,
'surely if the voters want the same person in a job
twice in a row they should be permitted', and the
lover of efficiency in me says, 'surely it would be
useful for jobs which benefit from hands-on experience
and special skills to be exempt from this, especially
when we have a shortage of candidates for some
offices'.

Is anyone able to enlighten me?

Cordus

=====


www.strategikon.org


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11030 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Annual magistrates was Contra New Census Law
Salic law did not become an issue until after the Salic Franks invaded the Empire in the middle of the fourth century CE. Essentially, Salic law deals with inheritance not the elected offices, so would not bear on this case.
The offices of censor, vicars, consul, tribunes, quaestors, rogators, and curators (curates) all existed in Rome through the Imperial period but did not always mean the same thing. I cannot find a historical version of the Curator Differum or the Curator Arcanem. It might be a good idea to propose to the Consuls that these two offices might be exempted from the current laws or have a lex written for them. Of course, if one or both of the curators took on an accensus who was being trained to succeed them and would follow the existing policies, it would probably result in a smoother transition of the office.

F Gal Aur Sec
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11031 From: Mary Beth Clemons Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: [Nova Roma] See-through gown
Hey, have a little consideration for those of us who are going to be riding with Fabius this weekend from the airport to Lanham. There won't be enough room for me with his big head. (Unless he gets a convertible.)

Looks like I'm riding in the trunk,

Minervina Iucundia Flavia


----- Original Message -----
From: qfabiusmaxmi@...
Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 11:49:10 EDT
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] The see-through gown

In a message dated 5/30/03 6:09:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jmath669642reng@... writes:


> I fear that like myself and others that I
> know Senator Fabius Maximus (pardon my familiarity Senator) in a
> see-through gown would most likely "sink them!!!!!!!" (-: (-: (-:
>
>

Humorous reply.

Actually my legs look quite good in a gown...Leastwise Dex thought so,
who am I to contradict a Greek connoisseur? :-)

Fabius


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11032 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Famous Roman Leaders and Rulers
Salvete Omnes,

I just picked up two books others may find of interest:

"Chronicle of the Roman Republic; The Rulers of Ancient Rome from
Romulus to Augustus", by Philip Matyszak

And

"Chronicle of the Roman Emperors; the Reign by Reign Record of the
Rulers of Imperial Rome", by Chris Scarre

They are "sister" volumes with similar formats. They have tons of
pictures and illutsrations, and the Republic book profiles all of
the usual suspects along with others such as Poplicola, Coriolanus,
Claudius Marcellus, etc.

The major sources are Polybius, Cicero, Livy, Valerius Maximus and
Plutarch for the Republic, and Aurelius Victor, Dio, Eusebius,
Euterpius, Herodian, Suetonius, and Tacitus for the Empire.

They are impressive volumes. Cives so inclined should check them
out. Just to be complete :-), here are the Amazon links:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-form/102-8745817-
2151325

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index%3Dbooks%
26field-keywords%3DChronicle%20of%20the%20roman%20empire%26url%
3Dindex%3Dbooks%26store-name%3Dbooks/102-8745817-2151325

Valete,
Gaius Popillius Laenas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11033 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Absentia & thank yous (long!)
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia Aventina"
<diana@p...> wrote:
> Sorry for the cross posting!
>
> Salvete citizens,
>
> After a 6 year battle against various diseases, yesterday morning
my father
> joined 2 of his brothers, his 4 sisters and various family pets in
the
> Elysian Fields. I can only hope that my father finds the peace in
the
> afterlife that eluded him in this lifetime.

Salve Diana,

Know that my personal prayers of peace and love are with you and your
family at this sad time. I too lost my father after he suffered from
heart disease that slowly robbed him of the things he enjoyed in
life.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11034 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Today at the bookstore...
Salve,

Today I was at my local Borders and noticed in their display of
various "Idiot's Guide to...." the "Idiot's Guide to Paganism." Out
of curiosity I picked it up and looked at the index to see if it had
anything to say about Roman Reconstructionism. It had a whole seven
sentence paragraph that mentioned a list of various resources. I
looked at the resource list and Nova Roma made the Idiot's Guide to
Paganism resource list.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11035 From: Violentilla Titinia Saltatrix Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
---------------------------------


I apologize for taking up NR bandwidth, but Tiberius, your email
seems to be down. Please contact me.

Violentilla.

----------------------------------
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11036 From: jachthondus Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Post.
Greetings to You, You Honourable Mr."Decimus Iunius Silanus", Scriba
Praetoris of the Nova-Roma-Group.

How lovely that I am "currently on moderated status", etc. etc.
This does say a-lot about your historian-professionality!

May I ask You why?

Did I ever "insult" any-member of this Group, simply by having asked
some-critical-questions?
YES: This seems to be the case!

You don't want any criticism from Professional-Historians, do You?
"You will be taken off moderated status in due course"...

(Boys-oh-boys... I can't sleep anylonger, I fear...

And now, Mr. Scriba Preatoris from a Group which only deals with
people who merely seem to be interested in a "Cursus Honorum" in a
nowadays "Roman-Fairy-Tail-Empire", I'm very curious whether You'll
have the guts to give comment on this message on your posting-list!

And, (may I so free to ask): How many of Your members are Historians,
specialized in Ancient-History?

With Kindest Regards,

Jachthondus.







--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Decimus Iunius Silanus"
<danedwardsuk@y...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> As a new subscriber to this list, you are currently on moderated
> status. Your posts are currently reviewed by a list moderator prior
> to being forwarded for general consumption.
>
> Providing you adhere to the list guidelines, you will be taken off
> moderated status in due course.
>
> Vale
>
> Decimus Iunius Silanus
> Scriba Praetoris.
>
>
> > May I ask You, Honourable-Romans: Where is my last message?
> >
> > Jachthondus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11037 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Post.
Salve!

Please do not take "moderated status" as a ststement about you
personally. Every new member is moderated at first.

Arnamentia


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "jachthondus" <rompy@x> wrote:
> Greetings to You, You Honourable Mr."Decimus Iunius Silanus",
Scriba
> Praetoris of the Nova-Roma-Group.
>
> How lovely that I am "currently on moderated status", etc. etc.
> This does say a-lot about your historian-professionality!
>
> May I ask You why?
>
> Did I ever "insult" any-member of this Group, simply by having
asked
> some-critical-questions?
> YES: This seems to be the case!
>
> You don't want any criticism from Professional-Historians, do You?
> "You will be taken off moderated status in due course"...
>
> (Boys-oh-boys... I can't sleep anylonger, I fear...
>
> And now, Mr. Scriba Preatoris from a Group which only deals with
> people who merely seem to be interested in a "Cursus Honorum" in a
> nowadays "Roman-Fairy-Tail-Empire", I'm very curious whether You'll
> have the guts to give comment on this message on your posting-list!
>
> And, (may I so free to ask): How many of Your members are
Historians,
> specialized in Ancient-History?
>
> With Kindest Regards,
>
> Jachthondus.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Decimus Iunius Silanus"
> <danedwardsuk@y...> wrote:
> > Salve,
> >
> > As a new subscriber to this list, you are currently on moderated
> > status. Your posts are currently reviewed by a list moderator
prior
> > to being forwarded for general consumption.
> >
> > Providing you adhere to the list guidelines, you will be taken
off
> > moderated status in due course.
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Decimus Iunius Silanus
> > Scriba Praetoris.
> >
> >
> > > May I ask You, Honourable-Romans: Where is my last message?
> > >
> > > Jachthondus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11038 From: Fortunatus Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Post.
Salve Jachthonde

>How lovely that I am "currently on moderated status", etc. etc.
>This does say a-lot about your historian-professionality!
>
>May I ask You why?
>

Everyone who joins this email list is automatically on moderated status
for a while. This is done to discourage spammers, trolls, and other
people who join purely to disrupt the list. You haven't been singled
out for special treatment, nor are you being punished.

Vale
T Labienus Fortunatus

--
May pre house the seamy side volitation!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11039 From: Gnaeus Salix Astur Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Post.
Salvete Quirites; et salve, Mr. Jachthondus.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "jachthondus" <rompy@x> wrote:
> Greetings to You, You Honourable Mr."Decimus Iunius Silanus",
> Scriba Praetoris of the Nova-Roma-Group.
>
> How lovely that I am "currently on moderated status", etc. etc.
> This does say a-lot about your historian-professionality!
>
> May I ask You why?

As others have pointed out, every new subscriber to this mailing list
is initially placed under moderation.

We have been forced to do this in order to avoid spammers, hit-and-
run insults and other nasty things.

However, as long as you behave in a reasonable manner, your messages
will reach this mailing list. Criticism is not enough to set the
moderation process into motion. Besides that, it has been a policy of
our current praetorial staff to inform *all* the subscribers of this
mailing list whenever a message has had to be moderated.

> Did I ever "insult" any-member of this Group, simply by having
> asked some-critical-questions?
> YES: This seems to be the case!

No; it is not the case. You are under moderation, but none of your
messages has been deleted. They all have reached this mailing list.

> You don't want any criticism from Professional-Historians, do You?

We do have some professional historians among our members.

> "You will be taken off moderated status in due course"...
> (Boys-oh-boys... I can't sleep anylonger, I fear...
>
> And now, Mr. Scriba Preatoris from a Group which only deals with
> people who merely seem to be interested in a "Cursus Honorum" in a
> nowadays "Roman-Fairy-Tail-Empire", I'm very curious whether You'll
> have the guts to give comment on this message on your posting-list!

I guess that these impressions of yours are being proven wrong.

> And, (may I so free to ask): How many of Your members are
> Historians, specialized in Ancient-History?

Not as many as we would like, of course. But a few of them are. We
have university professors from both sides of the Atlantic, after all.

CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF
PRAETOR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11040 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: shooting my mouth off
G. Iulius Scaurus Jachthondo salutem dicit.

Salve, Jackthonde.

Others have explained the reasons for which every new subscriber to
this list is placed on moderated status and I hope you now understand
that you have not been singled out for censorship.

> Here is another "little-sister", who happens to dislike your answer
> to one Violentilla Titiana Saltatrix, dear Mr. F.Galerius Aurelianus
> Secundus!!!...
>
> What a scholary-Roman-"blah-blah-blah-blah", "little brother"....

However, there seems to be an equally mistaken assumption in your
criticism of F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus. It may have missed your
obsevation, but the message from F. Galerius was addressed to
_Violentilla_ Titiana Saltatrix. Note that the praenomen is a
diminutive. Addressing someone whose praenomen is a feminine
diminutive as "little sister" is not necessarily the condescending
thing you take it to be (BTW, the praenomen Violentilla in attested in
a funerary inscription from Rome, AE 1953, 59). If Violentilla
Titiana Saltatrix is offended, I am certain she is capable of telling
him herself.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus
(who does happen to be an associate professor of history with active
research interest in late classical antiquity in the Latin west).
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11041 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Lex Fabia de Censo is approved
Salvete Quirites!

Voting in the Comitia Populi Tributa has concluded. The Lex Fabia de
Censo has been approved, with 34 tribes voting and 26 tribes voting
in favor and 8 tribes (7 tied) voting against.

I hereby thank the Populus for their approval and hope to soon
present a new law!

I hereby ask the Curator Araneum to see to it that this law is
included in the Tabularium.

I also thank the Rogatores for their hard work and hope that they are
ready to deal with my next proposal soon. ;-)
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11042 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Absent again
Salvete Qurites!

I will absent during the 1st of June to 10th of June. I will be on a
trip to Rhodes on a study mission from my school. My Consular
Colleague will hold the fasces and I fully trust him to steer this
ship that is Nova Roma.

This will be one of four trips I will take during my term. First
Berlin in May, now Rhodes in June, then Stockholm in the end of July
and Bologna/Rome in the beginning of August for the International
Rally of Nova Roma and a ten day stay in Rome to study the Eternal
City and possibly meet with other Romans.
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11043 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Post.
F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to Jacthondus [gens unknown]. Salvete.

NR is a micronational republic, not an empire. I received my bachelor's
degree in ancient & medieval studies at Southwestern at Memphis (now Rhodes
College) and did my master's studies at Memphis State University (now Univ. of
Memphis) & Middle Tennessee State University. You might have more impressive
credentials but I have yet to see anything of an academic or historical subject on
any of your posts. Please feel free to contribute something like that to the
mainlist or an article in The Eagle. I am always receptive to intelligent and
thought-provoking articles. Valete.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11044 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: shooting my mouth off
F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to G. Iulius Scaurus. Salve.

Trust me. The honorable lady is fully capable of defending herself and I
would not be happy to be on the receiving end of her sharp (but usually pleasant)
wit. Vale.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11045 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: Absentia & thank yous (long!)
Salve Diana

My Condolences and my prayers go with you.

Pax Vobiscum

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


----- Original Message -----
From: "Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: <tribunes@yahoogroups.com>; <SenatusRomanus@yahoogroups.com>;
<religioromana@yahoogroups.com>; "Ian on the road"
<quicksilver101445@...>; "Stefaan at Home" <mercurius@...>
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 4:03 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Absentia & thank yous (long!)


> Sorry for the cross posting!
>
> Salvete citizens,
>
> After a 6 year battle against various diseases, yesterday morning my
father
> joined 2 of his brothers, his 4 sisters and various family pets in the
> Elysian Fields. I can only hope that my father finds the peace in the
> afterlife that eluded him in this lifetime.
>
> I ask anyone who has a spare moment to send a positive thought to my
mother
> and to ask their God to give her strength during what is by far the worst
> thing she's had to deal with in her life. She is close to a mental
collapse
> due to the strain of 6 years of watching my father degenerate day by day
> until only 3 machines and multiple medications kept him bound to this
Earth.
>
> I will be leaving tomorrow morning for NYC and returning on Sunday June
15.
> I'll bring my ancient laptop with me and will be in email contact again as
> of next week, but until my return June 15, supporting my mother will take
> precedent over my duties as Tribune. Anyone who needs me can email
> diana_aventina@...
>
> Those who have private contact with me know that through my entire term as
> Tribune, each month has brought a new catastrophe in my personal life.
> Through it all, many citizens have sent me emails offering their moral
> support. And this is why I truly believe that even when there is political
> bickering going on on this list, the citizens here really care about one
> another. This is why I think of Nova Roma as a family and like every
family,
> we don't always agree and just get on each other's nerves now and then.
Ok,
> I realize that I just short-circuited the Fluffy Bunny meter with that
> comment :-)))
>
> I would particularly like to thank the Collegium Pontificium for their
> support at the beginning of April, when things seems so dark & hopeless
that
> even my faith in the Gods had wavered. Their emails let me see things once
> again in the right perspective. So a gigantic thank you to: Marcus Cassius
> Julianus, Q Fabius Maximus and Lucius Equitius Cinncinnatus for dragging
me
> out of a deeper depression than I thought was possible. And a gigantic
thank
> you also to Quintus Lanius Paulinus for his perceptive email that really
> helped me to 'snap me out of it'.
>
> A big thank you goes to the following citizens for the moral support that
> they've offered me since this chaotic period began on Jan 1 2003: our
> Consules T Fortunatus & C Fabius, Censor M Octavius, our Praetores D
Iunius
> & G Salix, Senatores P Cassia & L Cornelius, my fellow Tribunes M Marcius,
L
> Pompeianus, & L Didius Geminus, Rogatores Q Cassius & Renata Corva, 3
> Aediles F Apulus, L Arminius & G Equitius, Curator Differum T Galerius
> Paulinus, Curator Araneum T Octavius, Mercurius Apollonius Stefanus, G.
> Popillius Laenas, G Modius Athanasius, F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus,
G
> Fabia Livia, C Minucius Scaevola, A Apollonius Cordus, A Apollonius
Scipio,
> M Constantinus Serapio, C Curius Saturninus & last but not least my
> gensmates Arnamentia, Cunctator, Laureatus & Demetrius. I hope that I
didn't
> forget anyone!
>
> You've all helped me to keep the love of all of God's creatures in my
heart,
> my silly sense of humour, and the usual goofy smile on my face! A dark
cloud
> keeps threatening to overtake me, but thanks to you all, I remain one
giant
> step ahead of it and I can clearly see the Sun shining above me!
>
> With love & big kiss!
>
> Valete,
> Diana Moravia Aventina
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11046 From: Lucius Pompeius Octavianus Date: 2003-05-30
Subject: Re: attn. factio veneta members
Salve Quinte Lani Pauline

Muchas gracias por escribir en español!.Espero que la performance de
los Venetos mejore en la segunda mitad del año.

Thank you very much for writing in Spanish. I hope that the
performance of the veneta members improves by the second half of the
year!!

Bene vale
L.Pompeius Octavianus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Pompeius Octavianus"
> <danielovi@c...> wrote:
> > Salvete omnes.
> > I´m planning to have our internal Ludi (for veneta members only)
in
> > June, let's say about the 20th or so.
> > Bene valete
> > L. Pompeius Octavianus
>
> Salve L.Pompei Octaviane!
>
> Pienso que el Ludi por miembros venetos solamente es un idea muy
> bueno porque Facto Presina es numero uno y va a ser muy dificil
> conquistarlo. (bromeo, reis)
>
> English - I think the Ludi for veneta members only is a great idea
> because Facto Presina is number 1 and it would be very difficult to
> conquer it.
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11047 From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-05-31
Subject: Re: Lex Fabia de Censo is approved
In a message dated 5/30/03 5:00:03 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
christer.edling@... writes:


> I hereby ask the Curator Araneum to see to it that this law is
> included in the Tabularium

Hooray Hooray!
Can we get on with it then?

Fabius


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11048 From: M. Octavius Solaris Date: 2003-05-31
Subject: Re: Post.
Salve,
And, (may I so free to ask): How many of Your members are Historians,
specialized in Ancient-History?

MOS: Listen up, I have my share of gripes about NR too, but, if I may be so free to ask: where the heck did you get the name "Jachthondus"? It's not Latin at all. It just seems to be a Dutch name with -us behind it (Romans did not use the <j>, by the way). People in glass houses should not throw bricks!

Vale bene,
Marcus Octavius Solaris
(awaiting censorial mail :))


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11049 From: Decimus Iunius Silanus Date: 2003-05-31
Subject: Re: Post.
Salve Jachthondus,

> Greetings to You, You Honourable Mr."Decimus Iunius Silanus", Scriba
> Praetoris of the Nova-Roma-Group.
>
> How lovely that I am "currently on moderated status", etc. etc.
> This does say a-lot about your historian-professionality!
>
> May I ask You why?

The question of 'why' has been answered extensively, so I will not post
repetition. Suffice to say there is little need for your tone....you asked a
previous question as to why the delay in postings and I had the good manners
to answer it.

Refrain from trying to see the worst in people and you will find your Nova
Roma experience emminently more valuable,

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11050 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-05-31
Subject: Project on the Social History of the Religio Romana
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to the "Final Report of the Research Project on the
Social History of the Roman Religion":

http://www.uni-potsdam.de/u/klassphilol/ber.htm#b3

The report was prepared by the principal investigators, Hubert Cancik
and Jšrg RŸpke of the Eberhard-Karls-University of TŸbingen and the
University of Potsdam, and is especially valuable for the
bibliographies of the considerable number of publications which arose
from each phase of the project. The site is in German.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11051 From: Gnaeus Salix Astur Date: 2003-05-31
Subject: Re: Project on the Social History of the Religio Romana
Salvete Quirites; et salve, Gai Iuli.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, GÂ¥IVLIVSÂ¥SCAVRVS <gfr@i...> wrote:
> G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.
>
> Avete, Quirites.
>
> Here's a link to the "Final Report of the Research Project on the
> Social History of the Roman Religion":
>
> http://www.uni-potsdam.de/u/klassphilol/ber.htm#b3
>
> The report was prepared by the principal investigators, Hubert
> Cancik and Jšrg RŸpke of the Eberhard-Karls-University of TŸbingen
> and the University of Potsdam, and is especially valuable for the
> bibliographies of the considerable number of publications which
> arose from each phase of the project. The site is in German.
>
> Valete, Quirites.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus

Makes one wish one spoke German... :-).

CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11052 From: Paula Drennan Date: 2003-05-31
Subject: Re: Today at the bookstore...
Salve,

Wow! that's cool. Maybe that will bring an influx of new citizens. Could be
good for Nova Roma.

Vale,
Claudia Fabia Calpurnia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11053 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-05-31
Subject: Re: Lex Fabia de Censo is approved
Salve Consul,

congratulations, Quintilianus, great victory!!!
A big and good step for Nova Roma!

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
<christer.edling@t...> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites!
>
> Voting in the Comitia Populi Tributa has concluded. The Lex Fabia
de
> Censo has been approved, with 34 tribes voting and 26 tribes voting
> in favor and 8 tribes (7 tied) voting against.
>
> I hereby thank the Populus for their approval and hope to soon
> present a new law!
>
> I hereby ask the Curator Araneum to see to it that this law is
> included in the Tabularium.
>
> I also thank the Rogatores for their hard work and hope that they
are
> ready to deal with my next proposal soon. ;-)
> --
>
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Senior Consul et Senator
> Propraetor Thules
> Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
> Civis Romanus sum
> ************************************************
> Cohors Consulis CFQ
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************************************************
> Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11054 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-05-31
Subject: Re: Lex Fabia de Censo is approved
Salve Amice!

Thank You my friend, but I think the victory is a victory for Nova
Roma. Please expect some hard work now during the upcoming Census. ;-)

>Salve Consul,
>
>congratulations, Quintilianus, great victory!!!
>A big and good step for Nova Roma!
>
>Vale
>Fr. Apulus Caesar

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11055 From: M Arminius Maior Date: 2003-05-31
Subject: Re: L Cornelius' Unsubscription
Salve

No, it isnt that easy. I unsubscribed an email list
recently, and i received a message asking for
confirmation.

By the way, a similar incident occured with me;
normally i erase the "tail" of a message, and since
the "unsubscription" hint is in the very bottom, it
survived, and the friend that received the message
thought that i was asking him to unsubscribe. :)

Vale
Marcus Arminius


--- quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@...>
escreveu: > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gregory
Rose"
> <gfr@i...> wrote:
> > Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com"
> >
> > I have no idea how how that extra line came into
> the text, but if
> you
> > accidently clicked on it, it would unsubscribe
> you.
> >
> > Vale.
> >
> > G. Iulius Scaurus
>
> WOW! I always knew that Yahoo! was about as secure
> as a revolving
> door in a prison, but that is just too easy to
> unsubscribe someone.
> All you'd need to do is forge a from email address
> and send to that
> email address and voila person is unsubscribed since
> the "bot" at the
> receiving end wouldn't know if came from a legit
> email or not.
>
> Q. Cassius Calvus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11056 From: jademermaid@aol.com Date: 2003-05-31
Subject: Re: Shooting my mouth off
F. Galerius Aurelianus scripsit:


> Trust me. The honorable lady is fully capable of defending herself

Indeed she is. As far as being addressed as little sister, I took it to mean
in reference to a conversation we had at the Pagan Unity Festival, when
Padruig stated that I reminded him of a younger, female version of himself. I did
annoy him the rest of the festival with my questions about RR, something like
a child, I suppose. He might not have meant it that way, but in any case, I
was not offended.

Yet it is true that my temper has been compared to volcanic eruptions, by
some of my closest friends. They should know, right?

Violentilla


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11057 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-05-31
Subject: Re: Lex Fabia de Censo is approved
Salve Consul,

> Thank You my friend, but I think the victory is a victory for Nova
> Roma.

Yes I agree, "... a little step for a Consul, a big step for Nova
Roma" :-)

> Please expect some hard work now during the upcoming Census. ;-)

Don't worry, I'm ready. I think you know what we have done in
Provincia Italia and as Propraetor I'll give my full engagement in
the Census.

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11058 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-05-31
Subject: Re: Annual magistrates was Contra New Census Law
A. Apollonius Cordus to F. Galerius Aurelius Secundus
and all citizens and peregrines, greetings.

> Salic law did not become an issue until after the
> Salic Franks invaded the Empire in the middle of the
> fourth century CE.

Sorry, I've been confusing. I was using 'Salic law' as
an Anglicized translation of 'lex Salica' or 'lex
Salicia', that is, a law promulgated by one with the
nomen Salix. I'd forgotten about the Frankish legal
item of the same name - apologies for the mix-up.

Cordus

=====


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11059 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2003-05-31
Subject: Re: Lex Fabia de Censo is approved
> > Please expect some hard work now during the upcoming Census. ;-)

No problem. We're ready in America Boreoccidentalis for whatever
needs to be done.

Arnamentia Moravia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11060 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-05-31
Subject: Re: Shooting my mouth off
I'm just glad that you didn't choose the prenomen of Vesuvius.

F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus



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