Salve Romans

In the ongoing effort to increase the readership of The Eagle I was wondering if anybody had mailing lists to other "Roman" groups, like SCA etc .

If you do and their rules allow you to share the list please send it to spqr753@...

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum

If you do not have a subscription you can also take one out!!!!



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G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Lupa Capitolina Electronica":

http://lupacap.fltr.ucl.ac.be/lce.plan.det.htm

This site, created by Alain Meurant (Univ. of Louvain-la-Neuve,
Belgium), concentrates on the origins of Rome, providing e-texts of
the primary sources, discussions of the archaeological evidence, and
an extensive bibliography. The site is currently available only in
French, although there are plans for English, German, Spanish, Dutch,
and Italian versions in the future.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

SALVETE QVIRITES! Burn salted spelt and incense to
Ianus and Iuno Regina this morning at your Lararium
and pray that your Lar and Penates be "PROPITII!" A
happy Kalends of June to you all! VALETE! FRATER GAIVS
IVLIVS IVLIANVS, PGI

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Mistress Minervina Iucundia Flavia;

I am sure that my Colleague, the Honorable Senator Fabius Maximus, will
be pleased to deflate his ego (read " the big head") to accomodate a
lovely lady, Fear not my dear!!!!

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Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary

Salve,
for those who don't speak french, here's a link to an online translator, it
will do the whole page even if you bounce around:
http://world.altavista.com/
In service,
Claudia Fabia Calpurnia

> Here's a link to "Lupa Capitolina Electronica":
>
> http://lupacap.fltr.ucl.ac.be/lce.plan.det.htm
>

Honored Senator Fabius Maximus;

Yes indeed, Hooray, Hooray -- I rejoice with you friend and colleague,
that the Lex was approved and by such a large measure of majority. It
is indeed wonderful is it not that this item has been answered in such a
dominant fashion by our Citizens.

Normally, I do not make an outcry over a vote count on the part of any
specific Lex, however, it is a real pleasure to join with friends in the
celebration of victory of an action in which my friends both believe in
and have worked hard to bring before the Citizens of Nova Roma in a
clear and clarified manner.

So, I will make an exception in this case to be able to say well done
the those have have had the clarity of sight to approve this Lex, and
the desire to celebrate such when the result has been released. My
thanks Senator Maximus both for your words of support , and for this
opportunity to once again speak for this Lex.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
<christer.edling@t...> scripsit:

> Salvete Quirites!
>
> Voting in the Comitia Populi Tributa has concluded. The Lex Fabia

de Censo has been approved...

Io! Io! Felicitatio on passage of this key lex! As my excellent
legata has already pointed out, we stand ready to comply and are
eager to reach out to those cives who may have fallen by the wayside.

Let this census be the vehicle to breathe new energy into all our
cives!

---
IULI.SEMPRON.MAGN.PR.AM.BOR.
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| www.villaivlilla.com/
@____@ Praetrix America Boreoccidentalis
|||| http://ambor.novaroma.org
Discussion Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AmBor_Waves/

In a message dated 6/1/03 2:57:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
jmath669642reng@... writes:

> . My thanks Senator Maximus both for your words of support , and for this
> opportunity to once again speak for this Lex.
>

Good, now we are all in agreement...CAN WE GET ON WITH IT?

Senator and Proconsul
Q. Fabius Maximus


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G. Iulius Scaurus F. Galerio Aurelio Secundo salutem dicit.

Salve, F. Galeri Aureli.

The standard treatment on Roman election law through the Sullan
constitution is A.E. Austin's _The Lex Annalis Before Sulla_
(Bruxelles, 1958). G. Nocera's _Il potere dei comizi e i suoi limiti_
(Milano, 1940) is also very useful, but the only library in the US
where I've been able to find it is the Widener at Harvard and they
won't send it on ILL. G.V. Sumner's The lex annalis under Caesar
(Toronto, 1971) is also hard to find, and has some errors in it.
Margherita Gallo's _Il broglio elettorale nella Roma di Cicerone_
(Firenze, 2000) has gotten some good reviews, but I haven't read myself.

It appears that the prohibition on reelection of magistrates (the
technical term for reelection of an incumbent is continuatio;
prorogatio is the extension of a magistrate's term rather than
reelection per se and is most often found in connection to
promagistracies of provinciae) was a matter of the mos maiorum prior
to the Lex Villia (180 CE) which forbade continuatio in the consulship
(i.e., an incumbent consul could not stand for reelection, but a
former consul could stand again later for the office, although this
also appears to have been discouraged by the mos maiorum) and
established age requirements for the cursus honorum. The career of
Gaius Marius demonstrates that the Lex Villia could be suspended under
extraordinary circumstances. While some scholars have argued on the
basis of a passage in Appian that there was a legal prohibition on
reelection tribunes of the plebs which came into play in the
assassination of Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus, David Stockton (The
Gracchi [Oxford, 1979], 169-171) provides a compelling case against
this view which rests on Appian's not distinguishing between a
statutory prohibition and the de facto legal weight of the mos
maiorum. Sulla's constitutio prohibited reelection to a magistracy
with imperium except after an interval of five years. Examination of
the extant consular, praetorian, and aedilian fasti of the Republican
period suggests that reelection to those offices regardless of
interval was always relatively rare; after all, there wasn't much
point to seeking multiple election as aedile or praetor, since both
offices were expensive and served primarily as steps toward the real
prize, the consulship, and there seems to have been social stigma in
the aristocracy associated with blocking one's relatives' careers by
taking more than one's proper turn in office (Cicero alludes to this
in his letters). It is unsurprising that the disinclination of the
Republican Roman oligarchy to see power monopolised by any of its
individual members would militate against repeated tenures in office.

In NR the Lex Salicia de Prorogatione et Cumulatione, of course,
prohibits reelection of any incumbent magistrate. The Lex Iunia de
Temporum Definitione Consulatuum prohibits anyone holding the
consulship more than twice in five years. I think both are wise laws
and, indeed, wouldn't object to a Sullan-style prohibition on a consul
seeking reelection before a five year interval had passed since his
last. I think there are excellent reasons to prevent the
concentration of political power in any single individual which can
result from repeated reelection to an office, and frequent reelection
limits the ability of our republic to train its future leadership by
ascent of the cursus honorum. An argument can be made that offices
like the Curator Differum and the Curator Aranei are more technical
than magisterial in their responsibilities and that it might be in the
interest of the state to permit reelection in order to enjoy the
technical benefits that experience bestow. However, where political
power of magistracy is at issue the benefit which accrues from
successive reelection accrues to the officeholder and not the people,
and that is a path to tyranny.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus

G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Etruscans on the Web":

http://www.open.ac.uk/Arts/etrweb/etrmain.htm

Etruscans on the Web

This site was created by Phil Perkins (Department of Classics at the
U.K.'s Open University) and provides a wide variety of links to sites
dealing with Etruscan philology, university programmes dealing
Etruscan studies, archaeological sites, and museums.

And a link to the French site "Rassena":

http://membres.lycos.fr/etruscologie/

Created by Laurent Hugo (Université de Nantes) and Dominique Brother
(Université de Bretagne Sud), this site provides an extraorindary
range of online scholarship on Etruscan civlisation and language,
including Jean-René Jannot's _A la rencontre des Etrusques_.

And a link to the Italian site "Etrusca Philologia":

http://web.infinito.it/utenti/e/etruscan/home.htm

This site, created by Adolfo Zavaroni, contains an anthology of
approximately 8,500 Etruscan inscriptions classified geographically
with information on dating, location, and related publications.

And a link to the Belgian site "Les mirois étrusques et prénestins":

http://pot-pourri.fltr.ucl.ac.be/miroir/

This site, created by Roger Lambrechts (Professor Emeritus, Université
de Louvain and editor of the "Corpora Speculorum Etruscorum"),
contains a study and classification of all the extant Etruscan mirrors.

And for a certain praetor in Hispania who growsed about links to
German-language sites :-), a link to a Spanish site with some nice
images of Etruscan inscriptions:

http://www.proel.org/alfabetos/etrusco.html

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salvete,

It is a pleasure that June, month dedicated to goddess Concordia,
started with the gaudio of the approval of the excellent Lex Fabia.

(According to Ovidius on the Fausti Poem, one of the reasons of the
name ´June´ is because on June the Romans and Sabines matched
together (juntar) on the same city and people by the craft and
blessings of Concordia.)



Vale bene,
L. Arminius Faustus
Plebeian Aedile





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
<christer.edling@t...> wrote:

> Salvete Quirites!
>
> Voting in the Comitia Populi Tributa has concluded. The Lex Fabia

de

> Censo has been approved, with 34 tribes voting and 26 tribes voting
> in favor and 8 tribes (7 tied) voting against.
>
> I hereby thank the Populus for their approval and hope to soon
> present a new law!
>
> I hereby ask the Curator Araneum to see to it that this law is
> included in the Tabularium.
>
> I also thank the Rogatores for their hard work and hope that they

are

> ready to deal with my next proposal soon. ;-)
> --
>
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Senior Consul et Senator
> Propraetor Thules
> Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
> Civis Romanus sum
> ************************************************
> Cohors Consulis CFQ
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************************************************
> Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

http://www.ecauldron.com/reconroman.php

They speak briefly on Roman reconstructionalist Pagans. I was
wondering if anyone here with more knowledge could respond to their
ad:

"The Cauldron: A Pagan Forum is looking for volunteers to help expand
this site's material on Roman Reconstructionism. Most of the articles
and features on this site have a strong Wiccan or general Neo-Pagan
flavor because most of the articles and features we have been given
are written by knowledgeable Wiccan or general Neo-Pagan authors. If
you'd like to see some of your original articles and book reviews on
Roman Reconstructionism published on this site, please contact
Randall. rssapphire00@...

-Annia Minucia Sempronia

Salvete Censores and Curator Araneum,

I have a little problem and I think the other Paters Familias could
be interested.
A couple of weeks ago I received the request of citizenship to Gens
Apula of Marcus Apulus Sabinus. I went the "Edit members" of my Gens
to approve this request. But I didn't because there was the
button "APPROVE". There was (and there is) the text "CODE 19" and I
can't accept Marcus Sabinus.
What is this message? How I can resolve it?

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Pater Familias Gens Apula

Salve Romans FYI






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Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum






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Salve

I thought I had said this before but I want to make sure that everybody is on the same page.

When I send an e-mail from my computer it lists Stephen as the sender, that's my brother. I can not find out how to include my name as well.

I am in the macro world Timothy Paul Gallagher aka Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


I hope this clears up any confusion on my macro name.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


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Bounce test

Salvete Quirites; et salve, Scaure.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, GÂ¥IVLIVSÂ¥SCAVRVS <gfr@i...> wrote:
> G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.
>
> Avete, Quirites.
>
> Here's a link to "Etruscans on the Web":
>
> http://www.open.ac.uk/Arts/etrweb/etrmain.htm
>
> Etruscans on the Web
>
> This site was created by Phil Perkins (Department of Classics at the
> U.K.'s Open University) and provides a wide variety of links to
> sites dealing with Etruscan philology, university programmes
> dealing Etruscan studies, archaeological sites, and museums.
>
> And a link to the French site "Rassena":
>
> http://membres.lycos.fr/etruscologie/
>
> Created by Laurent Hugo (Université de Nantes) and Dominique Brother
> (Université de Bretagne Sud), this site provides an extraorindary
> range of online scholarship on Etruscan civlisation and language,
> including Jean-René Jannot's _A la rencontre des Etrusques_.
>
> And a link to the Italian site "Etrusca Philologia":
>
> http://web.infinito.it/utenti/e/etruscan/home.htm
>
> This site, created by Adolfo Zavaroni, contains an anthology of
> approximately 8,500 Etruscan inscriptions classified geographically
> with information on dating, location, and related publications.
>
> And a link to the Belgian site "Les mirois étrusques et prénestins":
>
> http://pot-pourri.fltr.ucl.ac.be/miroir/
>
> This site, created by Roger Lambrechts (Professor Emeritus,
> Université de Louvain and editor of the "Corpora Speculorum
> Etruscorum"), contains a study and classification of all the extant
> Etruscan mirrors.

Ah, the Etruscans. A favourite theme of mine since a long time ago.
May I counterattack with two suggestions?
http://www.isa.it/tuscia/english/history/etrusen.htm
http://www.mysteriousetruscans.com/

> And for a certain praetor in Hispania who growsed about links to
> German-language sites :-), a link to a Spanish site with some nice
> images of Etruscan inscriptions:
>
> http://www.proel.org/alfabetos/etrusco.html
>
> Valete, Quirites.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus

Thank you very much for you consideration, dear Scaure :-).

CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF

Just a brief message saying hello to all of the citizens of New
Rome.

I have read a few of the threads.. Hmm.

I see it this way we are all here for different reasons and should
try to understand that. I look forward to having fun and learning
something here and not indulging in e-flame ego wars like in
other groups that gets rather tedious.

Not pointing a gladius at anyone you understand.

Vale, and all the Muses to you.
Marcellus Tiberius

Salve, Marcellus Tiberius

Welcome to Nova Roma, and well said! I am Gaius Lanius Falco, I live in Nova
Britannia, and if there is anything I can help you with just send along an
email I will try my best. There is a lot to be gained, I feel, by being a cives
and participating in whatever way you feel is right for you. Check out the
main website for ideas - I'm sure something will appeal to you.

Again, welcome to Nova Roma, and may the gods and goddesses guide your path!

Vale,

G. Lanius Falco


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Salve Marcelle Tiberi,

I'm generally long-winded, as some of the people her would tell you. But to be brief, I think I just may like you, Marcelle Tiberi, as though it matters. And the best of luck and fortune to you as well.

Vale,

Sp. Postumius Tubertus

"Nam nemo sine vitiis nascitur; optimus ille est qui minima habet." -- Q. Horatius Flaccus

Salve Marcelle,

Let me echo the sentiments of my friends Gaius Falco and Sp.
Postumius Tubertus. Welcome! We are delighted to see a new member
coming into our Res Republica. NR seems to have a steep learning
curve but it is never too overwhelming because of the guidance
available by her citizens. Don't hesitate to ask any questions and
those questions we may not know, someone else here will. Enjoy Nova
Roma and we look forward to your postings.

Vale bene,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sp. Postumius Tubertus"
<postumius@g...> wrote:

> Salve Marcelle Tiberi,
>
> I'm generally long-winded, as some of the people her would tell

you. But to be brief, I think I just may like you, Marcelle Tiberi,
as though it matters. And the best of luck and fortune to you as well.

>
> Vale,
>
> Sp. Postumius Tubertus
>
> "Nam nemo sine vitiis nascitur; optimus ille est qui minima

habet." -- Q. Horatius Flaccus

Salvete omnes,

Here are a few programs that you may want to view the first half of June:

June 5 11:00 pm EDST
World Conflict. Foot Soldier: The Romans. Host Richard Karn looks at the
Roman legionnaires, who conquered and dominated most of the known world for 500
years, and left behind a legacy of language, culture, architecture, and
government.

June 8 8:00 pm EDST
Almanac. The Great Empire: Rome: The Republic of Rome. A sweeping chronicle
of one of history's most dynamic empires. Part 1 features the city's founding
by Romulus and Remus; overthrow of the Etruscan monarchy; and the republic's
formation and ultimate undoing with the rise of imperial Rome. Host Joe Mantegna
introduces Rome's great faces - Pompey, Cicero, Caesar, Antony, and
Cleopatra.

June 8 9:00 pm EDST
Almanac. The Great Empire: Rome: Age of Emperors. After Caesar's murder, his
great-nephew Augustus was victorious in the civil wars that followed, becoming
the first emperor. Host Joe Mantegna explores this sensational scandalous age
when palace plots, hostile takeovers, and imperial family intrigues were
humdrum. Features Augustus, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero, among others.

June 8 10:00 pm EDST
Almanac. The Great Empire: Rome: Building an Empire. Host Joe Mantegna visits
the vast territories conquered by the imperial army - by the 2nd century AD,
the empire spanned three continents. The over 4,000 Roman cities were cultural
melting pots, where diverse customs and beliefs blended. Features life in
Pompeii, the flamboyant emperor Hadrian, and religious revolts in Judea.

June 8 11:00 pm EDST
Almanac. The Great Empire: Rome: The Enduring Legacy. The final episode
reveals the birth of Christianity and how this religion that the emperors initially
tried to destroy ultimately passed on the empire's legacy. Highlights
include: the crucifixion of Jesus; religious persecutions; rise of Constantine, the
first emperor to embrace Christianity; and Justinian, Rome's last emperor.

June 12 11:00 pm EDST
World Conflict. Foot Soldier: The Greeks. Story of the brave Greek warriors,
who adorned themselves in gold, fought under Alexander the Great, and became a
virtually unstoppable ancient war machine. Host: Richard Karn.


Valete,

G. Lanius Falco


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G. Iulius Scaurus Q. Fabio Maximo salutem dicit

Salve, Q. Fabi.

> Good, now we are all in agreement...CAN WE GET ON WITH IT?

As you know, I agree wholeheartedly that the census is of enormous
importance to the republic, but the law specifies that it will be
conducted for sixteen weeks, ending on Oct. 31. That places the
beginning of the census on July 12. I don' think it unreasonable to
give the censores a bit more than a month to make the necessary
arrangements for conducting the census. If the census hasn't started
by then, I shall be among the loudest demanding action, but it seems
only fair to withhold such a demand until the time specified by law
for the census to begin.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salve Marcellus Tiberius and Welcome

Just remember that on MOST days the Citizens of NR are:

mild mannered, cultured, courteous, plan spoken, serious , and simple people

THEN THEY WAKE UP AND TURN ON THEIR COMPUTERS AND START TO READ FROM THE
MAIN LIST.

As Betty Davis once said in a movie

" Hold on it going to be a bumpy ride"


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

PS please take everything on the ML with a grain of salt

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> Just a brief message saying hello to all of the citizens of New
> Rome.
>
> I have read a few of the threads.. Hmm.
>
> I see it this way we are all here for different reasons and should
> try to understand that. I look forward to having fun and learning
> something here and not indulging in e-flame ego wars like in
> other groups that gets rather tedious.
>
> Not pointing a gladius at anyone you understand.
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> Vale, and all the Muses to you.
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Salve Gai,

Thanks for the information and all the time you spent to get it to us.

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

G. Iulius Scaurus Claudiae Fabiae Calpurniae salutem dicit.

Salve, Claudia Fabia.

Thank you for posting the Altavista Babelfish machine translation URL.
So much really good scholarship available on the net is not in
languages spoken by all Nova Romans. Free Translation's service at
http://ets.freetranslation.com/ provides machine translation for a few
languages which Altavista does not. Of course, machine translation is
still in its infancy and the results are frequently difficult to
decipher if one doesn't have a rudimentary understanding of the syntax
of the languages involved and some familiarity with the subject of the
material being machine-translated. I apologise if anyone has been
offput by the posting of so many links to sites in languages other
than the English in which most Nova Romans communicate here, but we
are an international macronation and excellent classical scholarship
can be found in many languages.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus
(who reads French, but, when speaking it, sounds, as a French friend
put it, "like a German soldier"; since my friend was a maquisard
during the second world war, I'm reasonably sure it wasn't a
compliment :-).

Salve,

You are welcome. I am glad to help out.

Claudia Fabia Calpurnia
(who took French in high school, and can only remember that the teacher
always wore 6 inch spike heels to work)

G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

"Viva Voce: Roman Poetry Recited":

http://dekart.f.bg.ac.yu/~vnedeljk/VV/index.html

This site features MP3s of readings by Vojin Nedeljkovic (Univ. of
Belgrade) of works by Catullus, Ovid, Horace, Virgil, Martial, and
Juvenal, as well as links relating to Latin verse pronunciation and
scansion. The site is in English and Latin.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

G. Iulius Scaurus Claudiae Fabiae Calpurniae salutem dicit.

Salve, Claudia Fabia.

> (who took French in high school, and can only remember that the teacher
> always wore 6 inch spike heels to work)

Interesting memory. I'm afraid I can't even imagine Fr. Theodore (my
first French teacher) in 6-inch spike heels -- the downside, I
suppose, of a Jesuit education :-).

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salve Scaurus,

we know yet this website, it's very good and useful.
In the last year, serving the Curule Aedile Fabius Quintilianus, I
developed for Victoria Ludi a little Flash movie with a text by
Virgilius recitaded by Viva Voce. You can see it at
http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/victoria/virgil.htm

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, GÂ¥IVLIVSÂ¥SCAVRVS <gfr@i...> wrote:
> G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.
>
> Avete, Quirites.
>
> "Viva Voce: Roman Poetry Recited":
>
> http://dekart.f.bg.ac.yu/~vnedeljk/VV/index.html
>
> This site features MP3s of readings by Vojin Nedeljkovic (Univ. of
> Belgrade) of works by Catullus, Ovid, Horace, Virgil, Martial, and
> Juvenal, as well as links relating to Latin verse pronunciation and
> scansion. The site is in English and Latin.
>
> Valete, Quirites.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus

G. Iulius Scaurus F.s Apulo Caesari salutem dicit.

Salve, F. Apule.

> we know yet this website, it's very good and useful.
> In the last year, serving the Curule Aedile Fabius Quintilianus, I
> developed for Victoria Ludi a little Flash movie with a text by
> Virgilius recitaded by Viva Voce. You can see it at
> http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/victoria/virgil.htm

What a delightful movie! An excellent job. Thank you.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salve Omnes,

I'm bringing this discussion over from the Imperialrome2 and Spanish
list. I have heard some re-created Roman music lately and I'm sad to
say it sounds awful; just semi-organized noise. I was wondering if
there are verbal records or melodies passed down over the ages.
Surely ancient tunes must have had a little melody and harmony. The
oldest ancient tune and song that exists according to the Guiness
Book Of Records is some Egyptian Nile river song that the boat men
and river workers hum to this day. I believe the Jewish folk have
some ancient tunes that still are sung with modern words. I tried to
look up old celtic songs but no luck; I believe one of the oldest
tunes in the English language left is "Summer Is a Coming In" circa
the 1100's.

If we could just find some old tunes passed down by humming from
generation to generation we could apply them to the Roman
reconstructed instruments. Any other thoughts on this?

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Salve,

I have been looking for ages now, in hundreds of
different books, and I always come up frustrated. I
cannot find any mention of Sertorius winning a Grass
Crown, and yet I remember seeing in a text once that
he had won one. Can anyone point me to a text,
preferably a primary source, that makes a mention of
this?

Vale bene,

Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura

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Salve,
I joined Nova Roma several months ago, and I started my own Gens.
I replied, like I was told to, to the notice about the yearly
registration of Materfamilias/Gens.
Why is my Gens not listed in the Album Gentium?
To which god must I sacifice to be recognized?

Valete,
Prima Libera Livia
(slightly frustrated)

On Tue, 3 Jun 2003 23:37:29 +1000 (EST), Craig Stevenson wrote:

> Salve,
>
>I have been looking for ages now, in hundreds of different books,
>and I always come up frustrated. I cannot find any mention of
>Sertorius winning a Grass Crown, and yet I remember seeing in a text
>once that he had won one. Can anyone point me to a text, preferably
>a primary source, that makes a mention of this?

Salve!

Pliny the Elder, Naturalis Historia, Book 22, paragraph 12 (the one
beginning with "scripsit et Sulla dictator") mentions "this crown"
being awarded to Sertorius.

I hope that helps!

--
Optime vale!

Gnaeus Octavius Noricus
cn.octavius.noricus@...
03.06.2003 16:33:59

Salve Prima!

I suggest that you contact the at censors <censors@...>.
They always got back to me and solved any problems really fast. Your
problem falls under their jurisdiction. Good luck, don't despair.

regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Prima Libera Livia"
<prima_libera@y...> wrote:

> Salve,
> I joined Nova Roma several months ago, and I started my own Gens.
> I replied, like I was told to, to the notice about the yearly
> registration of Materfamilias/Gens.
> Why is my Gens not listed in the Album Gentium?
> To which god must I sacifice to be recognized?
>
> Valete,
> Prima Libera Livia
> (slightly frustrated)

Salve

Apparently, the update of the "Album Gentium" (like
the "current population" number in the main page),
isnt automatic, needs to be done personnaly by the
Censores (or by the Curator Araneum?). That is, it can
take a certain time until somebody correct this...

But, since your name is in the Album Civium, your gens
is officially recognized:
http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/gens?gensid=5530

BTW, there are gens with zero members still listed
(Victoria, Varia three times, Polonia).

Vale
Marcus Arminius

--- Prima Libera Livia <prima_libera@...>
escreveu: > Salve,

> I joined Nova Roma several months ago, and I started
> my own Gens.
> I replied, like I was told to, to the notice about
> the yearly
> registration of Materfamilias/Gens.
> Why is my Gens not listed in the Album Gentium?
> To which god must I sacifice to be recognized?
>
> Valete,
> Prima Libera Livia
> (slightly frustrated)
>
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In a message dated 6/2/03 10:59:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, gfr@...
writes:

> I'm afraid I can't even imagine Fr. Theodore (my
> first French teacher) in 6-inch spike heels -- the downside, I
> suppose, of a Jesuit education :-).
>
>

I think Fr Wasko (my Augustan French teacher, Hades all my foreign languages
teacher)
would look good forced in heels!
How I hated that man! He forced us to learn.

Fabius


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Quintus Fabius Maximus wrote:

>I think Fr Wasko (my Augustan French teacher, Hades all my foreign
>languages teacher)
>would look good forced in heels!

My French teacher could have used them too: He is about 1.60 meters
"tall", and he rightly earned the nickname of "poison dwarf". By the
way, in his spare time, he is a basketball referee. Which is quite
funny to watch since he hardly reaches the players' chest.

>He forced us to learn.

French teachers seem to have that in common. But I still can recite
the "subjonctive" of "appartenir" by heart...

--
Optime vale!

Gnaeus Octavius Noricus
cn.octavius.noricus@...
03.06.2003 21:08:18

Salve, Quinte

I get the listings automatically - my pleasure!

Vale,

Falco


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> > I'm afraid I can't even imagine Fr. Theodore (my
> > first French teacher) in 6-inch spike heels -- the downside, I
> > suppose, of a Jesuit education :-).
> >
> >
>
> I think Fr Wasko (my Augustan French teacher, Hades all my foreign

languages

> teacher)
> would look good forced in heels!
> How I hated that man! He forced us to learn.
>
> Fabius
>

Salve,

Thank you both so very much for the frightening mental images. Now I have a
picture of my Priest from childhood, Father Eugene, in heels giving
mass....<shudders.>

Claudia Fabia Calpurnia

Salve,

In my opinion, Brutus was not the noblest Roman of
them all. If he was, he wouldn't have engaged in
money-lending practices and done what he did to
enforce collection of his debts. His "murder", and I
emphasise the word murder, was based on outdated
ideals and probably was based more on personal reasons
than actual ideological leanings.

Vale bene,

Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura

--- Decimus Iunius Silanus <danedwardsuk@...>
wrote:
---------------------------------
Salvete,

I have just finished a book titled 'The Noblest
Roman', a biography of Marcus Iunius Brutus. The book
examines his life and his subsequant reputation
through the ages. I have two questions:

1, Was Brutus "the noblest Roman of them all" as
proclaimed by Shakespeare's Marc Anthony, or do you
have a less postitive opinion of this mans means and
motives?

2, If not Brutus, then who do you consider to be the
noblest Roman?

I'd be interested in your thoughts.

Valete

Decimus Iunius Silanus.

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Salve,

A while back now, a visitor posted a message on the
main site, calling himself King Gaiseric, and bragged
about having sacked Rome. I beleive that Quintus
Fabius Maximus replied that the Vandals and their
horses starved outside of Rome for ten days before
being let into the city. I was just wondering whether
it would be at all possible for you to tell me what
source you got this information from, as I am writing
a book on the Vandals.

Vale bene,

Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura

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G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to the portion of David Juste's bibliography on the
history of astrology in the west dealing with the Graeco-Roman world:

http://www.sas.ac.uk/warburg/institute/astro_bibliointro.htm

Juste's bibliography, which covers research on astrology in the west
from antiquity to the present, and his catalogue (with Alec
Vuijlsteke) of the astrological library of Franz Cumont at the
Academia Belgica are extraordinary works of scholarship.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salvete

Argh! Why don't I get History International way over here!? Anyone
going to tape it?

Valete,
Christy aka Still Nemo

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, lanius117@a... wrote:
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Here are a few programs that you may want to view the first half of
June:
>
> June 5 11:00 pm EDST
> World Conflict. Foot Soldier: The Romans. Host Richard Karn looks
at the
> Roman legionnaires, who conquered and dominated most of the known
world for 500
> years, and left behind a legacy of language, culture, architecture,
and
> government.
>
> June 8 8:00 pm EDST
> Almanac. The Great Empire: Rome: The Republic of Rome. A sweeping
chronicle
> of one of history's most dynamic empires. Part 1 features the
city's founding
> by Romulus and Remus; overthrow of the Etruscan monarchy; and the
republic's
> formation and ultimate undoing with the rise of imperial Rome. Host
Joe Mantegna
> introduces Rome's great faces - Pompey, Cicero, Caesar, Antony, and
> Cleopatra.
>
> June 8 9:00 pm EDST
> Almanac. The Great Empire: Rome: Age of Emperors. After Caesar's
murder, his
> great-nephew Augustus was victorious in the civil wars that
followed, becoming
> the first emperor. Host Joe Mantegna explores this sensational
scandalous age
> when palace plots, hostile takeovers, and imperial family intrigues
were
> humdrum. Features Augustus, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero, among
others.
>
> June 8 10:00 pm EDST
> Almanac. The Great Empire: Rome: Building an Empire. Host Joe
Mantegna visits
> the vast territories conquered by the imperial army - by the 2nd
century AD,
> the empire spanned three continents. The over 4,000 Roman cities
were cultural
> melting pots, where diverse customs and beliefs blended. Features
life in
> Pompeii, the flamboyant emperor Hadrian, and religious revolts in
Judea.
>
> June 8 11:00 pm EDST
> Almanac. The Great Empire: Rome: The Enduring Legacy. The final
episode
> reveals the birth of Christianity and how this religion that the
emperors initially
> tried to destroy ultimately passed on the empire's legacy.
Highlights
> include: the crucifixion of Jesus; religious persecutions; rise of
Constantine, the
> first emperor to embrace Christianity; and Justinian, Rome's last
emperor.
>
> June 12 11:00 pm EDST
> World Conflict. Foot Soldier: The Greeks. Story of the brave Greek
warriors,
> who adorned themselves in gold, fought under Alexander the Great,
and became a
> virtually unstoppable ancient war machine. Host: Richard Karn.
>
>
> Valete,
>
> G. Lanius Falco
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Craig Stevenson <gaiussentius@y...>
wrote:

> Salve,

Salve,

> In my opinion, Brutus was not the noblest Roman of
> them all. If he was, he wouldn't have engaged in
> money-lending practices and done what he did to
> enforce collection of his debts. His "murder", and I
> emphasise the word murder, was based on outdated
> ideals and probably was based more on personal reasons
> than actual ideological leanings.

Certainly the ancients considered him one of the most noble Romans
for killing Caesar. Plutarch naturally was laudatory about Brutus.

Whatever failings he might have had, and much of his personal
character is lost in the "myth of Brutus," his part alone in killing
Caesar makes him noble if only for the inspiration he gave to others
throughout the centuries. It's hard to deny Caesar had it coming.

One person recently said it wasn't noble to kill the man who spared
you. If a dangerous snake fails to strike and you later cut off its
head when the chance arises, is that ignoble?

In your last sentence you try to have it both ways. You say Brutus'
part in killing Caesar was based on outdated ideals (I assume you
mean republican ideals) but then say it was based more on personal
reasons. Which is it?

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius

> Whatever failings he might have had, and much of his personal
> character is lost in the "myth of Brutus," his part alone in

killing

> Caesar makes him noble if only for the inspiration he gave to

others

> throughout the centuries. It's hard to deny Caesar had it coming.
>
> One person recently said it wasn't noble to kill the man who spared
> you. If a dangerous snake fails to strike and you later cut off its
> head when the chance arises, is that ignoble?
>
> In your last sentence you try to have it both ways. You say Brutus'
> part in killing Caesar was based on outdated ideals (I assume you
> mean republican ideals) but then say it was based more on personal
> reasons. Which is it?
>
>Salve Deci Iuni Palladi,

The problem I have with Brutus' nobility is that he seemed to have
the character of a turn coat. Had he survived the aftermath of
Caesar's assassination, I would never have trusted him had I been a
senator or senior Roman official. Please allow me to use a few
historical examples as an analogy:

Hitler Assassination Plot: Some consider people like General Rommel
and Count Staffenburg real heroes for their attempt on Hitler's life.
I never did because they were quite happy to take in their leader's
trust and reap the benefits of privelage while the Nazi party was
growing and the war went well. It was only after things went to crap
for Hitler's war plans and his temperemental problems that they
jumped ship. Evil though they were, many other Nazi leaders stayed
loyal to the end and one knew exactly how one stood with them. In
other words I see the motives of those in this plot opportunistic,
not moral.

Afrikaaners And British Attitudes: I remember taking a course in
South African history years ago. We had a discussion forum where I
met quite a few blacks and coloreds from that country. I explained to
them that I amongst the white South Africans, the English seemed to
be more progressive and concillitory in their attitudes towards the
blacks. Well their spokesman laughed and said, yep, thats what they
would tell you. He then went on to say that in reality, they much
preferred to deal with the Afrikaan leadership. He said that the
English would huff, puff and waiver, say many things and to nothing
on the race issues. Though the blacks and coloreds detested the
system, they preferred to face and deal with the Afrikaans who
said, "we will tolerate no equality between black, colored and
white!" They are our enemy but at least their perfectly clear in
their attitudes and policies towards us and we know how we stand.

I tend to put Brutus into these categories. A snake or predator
hasn't our brain development and when they attack they have nothing
against us personally. We're just something in the way or a food
source. They are incapable of showing mercy or reason as Caesar did
when he spared the life of Brutus, his greatest mistake of his career.


Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Salve,

I'm curious, does anyone have a suggestion for a woman who would
deserve the title of the Noblest Roman?

Arnamentia Moravia


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:

> > Whatever failings he might have had, and much of his personal
> > character is lost in the "myth of Brutus," his part alone in
> killing
> > Caesar makes him noble if only for the inspiration he gave to
> others
> > throughout the centuries. It's hard to deny Caesar had it coming.
> >
> > One person recently said it wasn't noble to kill the man who

spared

> > you. If a dangerous snake fails to strike and you later cut off

its

> > head when the chance arises, is that ignoble?
> >
> > In your last sentence you try to have it both ways. You say

Brutus'

> > part in killing Caesar was based on outdated ideals (I assume you
> > mean republican ideals) but then say it was based more on

personal

> > reasons. Which is it?
> >
> >Salve Deci Iuni Palladi,
>
> The problem I have with Brutus' nobility is that he seemed to have
> the character of a turn coat. Had he survived the aftermath of
> Caesar's assassination, I would never have trusted him had I been a
> senator or senior Roman official. Please allow me to use a few
> historical examples as an analogy:
>
> Hitler Assassination Plot: Some consider people like General Rommel
> and Count Staffenburg real heroes for their attempt on Hitler's

life.

> I never did because they were quite happy to take in their leader's
> trust and reap the benefits of privelage while the Nazi party was
> growing and the war went well. It was only after things went to

crap

> for Hitler's war plans and his temperemental problems that they
> jumped ship. Evil though they were, many other Nazi leaders stayed
> loyal to the end and one knew exactly how one stood with them. In
> other words I see the motives of those in this plot opportunistic,
> not moral.
>
> Afrikaaners And British Attitudes: I remember taking a course in
> South African history years ago. We had a discussion forum where I
> met quite a few blacks and coloreds from that country. I explained

to

> them that I amongst the white South Africans, the English seemed to
> be more progressive and concillitory in their attitudes towards the
> blacks. Well their spokesman laughed and said, yep, thats what they
> would tell you. He then went on to say that in reality, they much
> preferred to deal with the Afrikaan leadership. He said that the
> English would huff, puff and waiver, say many things and to nothing
> on the race issues. Though the blacks and coloreds detested the
> system, they preferred to face and deal with the Afrikaans who
> said, "we will tolerate no equality between black, colored and
> white!" They are our enemy but at least their perfectly clear in
> their attitudes and policies towards us and we know how we stand.
>
> I tend to put Brutus into these categories. A snake or predator
> hasn't our brain development and when they attack they have nothing
> against us personally. We're just something in the way or a food
> source. They are incapable of showing mercy or reason as Caesar did
> when he spared the life of Brutus, his greatest mistake of his

career.

>
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia <arnamentia_aurelia@...> writes:

> I'm curious, does anyone have a suggestion for a woman who would
> deserve the title of the Noblest Roman?

Cornelia, mother of the Grachii.

-- Marinus

I was thinking of Cloelia. This is from
http://dominae.fws1.com/paradigm/Index.html :

After the overthrow of the last Tarquin king, his ally Lars Porsenna,
king of Clusium, attempted his restoration and warred on Rome
(traditionally, 506 BC). During a truce, Porsenna took a group of
young Roman men and maidens as hostages. Cloelia, one of the female
hostages, escaped from the king's custody and led several other
female hostages to freedom by swimming the Tiber on her horse under a
hail of enemy spears. When the Clusian king protested that the truce
had been violated and threatened to renew hostilities, Cloelia
dutifully agreed to return to him as a hostage to preserve the peace.
Porsenna's admiration for her courage was so extreme that he
permitted her to choose further hostages and return safely to Rome.
Cloelia, realizing how desperately Rome needed its warriors, chose a
group of young men rather than her female companions. An equestrian
statue of the heroine was set up in Republican days at the top of the
Via Sacra, the first such honor ever accorded to a woman: she was to
be honored alike for her courage in escaping, her duty in returning
to the king when peace required it, and her pragmatic patriotism in
choosing to liberate young Roman soldiers rather than her own
friends.

Arnamentia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@c...> wrote:

> Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia <arnamentia_aurelia@y...> writes:
>
> > I'm curious, does anyone have a suggestion for a woman who would
> > deserve the title of the Noblest Roman?
>
> Cornelia, mother of the Grachii.
>
> -- Marinus

Salve Arnamentia Moravia

"I'm curious, does anyone have a suggestion for a woman who would
deserve the title of the Noblest Roman? "


The Daughter of Scipio Africanus or the Mother of the Gracchi!!


No wait they are one and the same



Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: "Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia" <arnamentia_aurelia@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 12:47 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The noblest Roman? part two


>
> Salve,
>
> I'm curious, does anyone have a suggestion for a woman who would
> deserve the title of the Noblest Roman?
>
> Arnamentia Moravia
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
> Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> > > Whatever failings he might have had, and much of his personal
> > > character is lost in the "myth of Brutus," his part alone in
> > killing
> > > Caesar makes him noble if only for the inspiration he gave to
> > others
> > > throughout the centuries. It's hard to deny Caesar had it coming.
> > >
> > > One person recently said it wasn't noble to kill the man who
> spared
> > > you. If a dangerous snake fails to strike and you later cut off
> its
> > > head when the chance arises, is that ignoble?
> > >
> > > In your last sentence you try to have it both ways. You say
> Brutus'
> > > part in killing Caesar was based on outdated ideals (I assume you
> > > mean republican ideals) but then say it was based more on
> personal
> > > reasons. Which is it?
> > >
> > >Salve Deci Iuni Palladi,
> >
> > The problem I have with Brutus' nobility is that he seemed to have
> > the character of a turn coat. Had he survived the aftermath of
> > Caesar's assassination, I would never have trusted him had I been a
> > senator or senior Roman official. Please allow me to use a few
> > historical examples as an analogy:
> >
> > Hitler Assassination Plot: Some consider people like General Rommel
> > and Count Staffenburg real heroes for their attempt on Hitler's
> life.
> > I never did because they were quite happy to take in their leader's
> > trust and reap the benefits of privelage while the Nazi party was
> > growing and the war went well. It was only after things went to
> crap
> > for Hitler's war plans and his temperemental problems that they
> > jumped ship. Evil though they were, many other Nazi leaders stayed
> > loyal to the end and one knew exactly how one stood with them. In
> > other words I see the motives of those in this plot opportunistic,
> > not moral.
> >
> > Afrikaaners And British Attitudes: I remember taking a course in
> > South African history years ago. We had a discussion forum where I
> > met quite a few blacks and coloreds from that country. I explained
> to
> > them that I amongst the white South Africans, the English seemed to
> > be more progressive and concillitory in their attitudes towards the
> > blacks. Well their spokesman laughed and said, yep, thats what they
> > would tell you. He then went on to say that in reality, they much
> > preferred to deal with the Afrikaan leadership. He said that the
> > English would huff, puff and waiver, say many things and to nothing
> > on the race issues. Though the blacks and coloreds detested the
> > system, they preferred to face and deal with the Afrikaans who
> > said, "we will tolerate no equality between black, colored and
> > white!" They are our enemy but at least their perfectly clear in
> > their attitudes and policies towards us and we know how we stand.
> >
> > I tend to put Brutus into these categories. A snake or predator
> > hasn't our brain development and when they attack they have nothing
> > against us personally. We're just something in the way or a food
> > source. They are incapable of showing mercy or reason as Caesar did
> > when he spared the life of Brutus, his greatest mistake of his
> career.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
>
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Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia <arnamentia_aurelia@...> writes:

[with respect to who might be the noblest Roman woman of them all]

> I was thinking of Cloelia. This is from
> http://dominae.fws1.com/paradigm/Index.html :

[snip amazing story of a courageous and resourceful young woman]

Indeed a worthy candidate for the title. I think that it's always
difficult to identify any *one* person who would clearly stand out
above all others in these things.

But, to make my case for Cornelia and why I think she's deserving
of the title "noblest" among Roman women...

Nobility, in the Roman sense, had to do with community leadership.
A family became ennobled when one of its members became consul.
The very essence of nobility lay in having others look to you for
advice and counsel. I think that in this, Cornelia clearly
excelled.

For a nice coverage (once you disable the infernal blinking) see

http://www.barca.fsnet.co.uk/cornelia-africanus.htm

Quoting from the very end of this page:

"Seneca, a Stoic philosopher of the first century CE, writes that she is an
example of a woman who deserves to be ranked among the greatest of men and a
statue was dedicated to her, bringing her closer to official status than any
other woman. Unlike many other famous Roman women of antiquity, Cornelia was a
major figure in her own right. She remains a paragon of virtue for the Roman
people and a model of wife and mother of her time."

Of course, I expect that were she somehow able to communicate with us
today, Cornelia herself would demonstrate her nobility by endorsing
Arnamentia's claim for Cloelia, and would assure us all that she had
only done what any proper Roman matron ought to have done. She did,
after all, live by the Virtues.

-- Marinus

Salvete again omnes,

Here is a website on feminae Romanae, Roman women. It will put
everything in a nutshell for our conversation. Look through it and
we'll see what we think.

http://dominae.fws1.com/Introduction/Index.html

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:

> Salve Arnamentia Moravia
>
> "I'm curious, does anyone have a suggestion for a woman who would
> deserve the title of the Noblest Roman? "
>
>
> The Daughter of Scipio Africanus or the Mother of the Gracchi!!
>
>
> No wait they are one and the same
>
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia" <arnamentia_aurelia@y...>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 12:47 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The noblest Roman? part two
>
>
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > I'm curious, does anyone have a suggestion for a woman who would
> > deserve the title of the Noblest Roman?
> >
> > Arnamentia Moravia
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus

(Michael

> > Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> > > > Whatever failings he might have had, and much of his personal
> > > > character is lost in the "myth of Brutus," his part alone in
> > > killing
> > > > Caesar makes him noble if only for the inspiration he gave to
> > > others
> > > > throughout the centuries. It's hard to deny Caesar had it

coming.

> > > >
> > > > One person recently said it wasn't noble to kill the man who
> > spared
> > > > you. If a dangerous snake fails to strike and you later cut

off

> > its
> > > > head when the chance arises, is that ignoble?
> > > >
> > > > In your last sentence you try to have it both ways. You say
> > Brutus'
> > > > part in killing Caesar was based on outdated ideals (I assume

you

> > > > mean republican ideals) but then say it was based more on
> > personal
> > > > reasons. Which is it?
> > > >
> > > >Salve Deci Iuni Palladi,
> > >
> > > The problem I have with Brutus' nobility is that he seemed to

have

> > > the character of a turn coat. Had he survived the aftermath of
> > > Caesar's assassination, I would never have trusted him had I

been a

> > > senator or senior Roman official. Please allow me to use a few
> > > historical examples as an analogy:
> > >
> > > Hitler Assassination Plot: Some consider people like General

Rommel

> > > and Count Staffenburg real heroes for their attempt on Hitler's
> > life.
> > > I never did because they were quite happy to take in their

leader's

> > > trust and reap the benefits of privelage while the Nazi party

was

> > > growing and the war went well. It was only after things went to
> > crap
> > > for Hitler's war plans and his temperemental problems that they
> > > jumped ship. Evil though they were, many other Nazi leaders

stayed

> > > loyal to the end and one knew exactly how one stood with them.

In

> > > other words I see the motives of those in this plot

opportunistic,

> > > not moral.
> > >
> > > Afrikaaners And British Attitudes: I remember taking a course in
> > > South African history years ago. We had a discussion forum

where I

> > > met quite a few blacks and coloreds from that country. I

explained

> > to
> > > them that I amongst the white South Africans, the English

seemed to

> > > be more progressive and concillitory in their attitudes towards

the

> > > blacks. Well their spokesman laughed and said, yep, thats what

they

> > > would tell you. He then went on to say that in reality, they

much

> > > preferred to deal with the Afrikaan leadership. He said that the
> > > English would huff, puff and waiver, say many things and to

nothing

> > > on the race issues. Though the blacks and coloreds detested the
> > > system, they preferred to face and deal with the Afrikaans who
> > > said, "we will tolerate no equality between black, colored and
> > > white!" They are our enemy but at least their perfectly clear in
> > > their attitudes and policies towards us and we know how we

stand.

> > >
> > > I tend to put Brutus into these categories. A snake or predator
> > > hasn't our brain development and when they attack they have

nothing

> > > against us personally. We're just something in the way or a food
> > > source. They are incapable of showing mercy or reason as Caesar

did

> > > when he spared the life of Brutus, his greatest mistake of his
> > career.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Quintus Lanius Paulinus
> >
> >
> >
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> > Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >

Sorry Arnementia,

I screwed up. You posted that list already. I'm brewing some fresh
coffee to wake myself up.

Regards,

Quintus

Gratias Marinus, what a wonderful biography. I especially respect her
reverence for education:

"She was praised for her devotion to her household and the education
of her children. Cicero details how carefully she sought out the
finest Greek tutors, such as the famous rhetorician Diophanes of
Mytilene and the Stoic Blossius of Cumae. He further states that her
children were nourished more by her conversation than her breast."

> Cornelia herself would demonstrate her nobility by endorsing
> Arnamentia's claim for Cloelia, and would assure us all that she had
> only done what any proper Roman matron ought to have done. She did,
> after all, live by the Virtues.

I do believe she would!
Arnamentia

That was is very easy. Octavia, sister of Augustus. She not only stayed
loyal to Antony after he repudiated her for Cleopatra, but after the death of
Cleopatra and Antony, she adopted their children and raised them. She never
remarried and remained the perfect, old style Roman matron exemplifying all the
virtues that her brother was doing his best to restore.

F.Gal Aur Sec


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G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to Mediterranean Archaeology Resources:

http://www.geocities.com/i_georganas/main.html

This site, created by Ioannis Georganas (Dept. of Archaeology, Univ.
of Nottingham), provides links to archaeology journals,
bibliographies, search engines, online courses, and academic
institutions dealing with the archaeology of the Mediterranean world.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salve,

I checked the entry, and it is a mention of Sulla
forfeiting his Grass Crown by his brutality, and
Quintus Sertorius should have earned one by being
beseiged by Sulla.

I thought there might have been an entry, but I can't
find one.

Vale bene,

Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura

--- Gnaeus Octavius Noricus
<cn.octavius.noricus@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
On Tue, 3 Jun 2003 23:37:29 +1000 (EST), Craig
Stevenson wrote:

> Salve,
>
>I have been looking for ages now, in hundreds of

different books,

>and I always come up frustrated. I cannot find any

mention of

>Sertorius winning a Grass Crown, and yet I remember

seeing in a text

>once that he had won one. Can anyone point me to a

text, preferably

>a primary source, that makes a mention of this?

Salve!

Pliny the Elder, Naturalis Historia, Book 22,
paragraph 12 (the one
beginning with "scripsit et Sulla dictator") mentions
"this crown"
being awarded to Sertorius.

I hope that helps!

--
Optime vale!

Gnaeus Octavius Noricus
cn.octavius.noricus@...
03.06.2003 16:33:59




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G. Iulius Scaurus G. Sentio Bruttio Surae salutem dicit.

Salve, G. Senti Brutti.

> I checked the entry, and it is a mention of Sulla
> forfeiting his Grass Crown by his brutality, and
> Quintus Sertorius should have earned one by being
> beseiged by Sulla.

The way in which historians have established that Sertorius won a
grass crown is by combining the passage in Pliny's Nat. Hist. (22.12)
with the description in Plutarch of Sertorius saving the Roman army at
Castulo (which was the sort of thing for which the corona graminea was
awarded). I think you have slightly misunderstood the last clause in
the Pliny passage, which reads "he himself [Sulla], yet, when the
proscribed were being harried the whole world over, yielded in this
crown to Sertorius," i.e., Sulla showed during the proscriptions that
Sertorius was more worthy of the grass crown he had won than Sulla was
of his. The ablative absolute construction "obsessis in toto orbe
proscriptis" indicates the temporal circumstances under which the
action of the principal verb "cessit" took place. and "hac corona" is
the ablative of specification.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Because the band I manage opens for the band Foreigner tomorrow night, I will
leave to travel east as soon as the show is over. Therefore I will be out of
communication the next 4 days.
I'm changing my NR main list from daily mail to website. Citizens who need
to get ahold of me, please put Attn. QFM in the heading. I will check those
messages first when I return on monday.

Valete
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Praetores

Salve,

I am really surprised by the lack of information on
Sertorius, and I really need help (thanks for those
who have helped me so far).

I was wondering...Plutarch and all of the other
sources I've read mention Sertorius's first military
experience as being under Caepio at the Arausio
disaster, but I want to know if there is any evidence
of Quintus Sertorius serving as a contubernalis or
junior officer under Marius in Africa? If so, could
someone please direct me to a source that mentions it,
as I am really struggling to back-up this fact.

Also, can anyone describe to me the role of the
contubernalis? Was it essential to become a
contubernalis to advance in a political career? Was it
a necessity for those of equestrian and noble
families?

Any help would be greatly and deeply appreciated.

Vale bene,

Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura

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Given all that you know about Rome and the Roman Republican Constitution,

When would you say the constitution worked best?

What size City-state worked the best given her institutions?

When Rome had a population of 10,000
When Rome had a population of 25,000
When Rome had a population of 50,000
When Rome had a population of 100,000
When Rome had a population of 250,000
When Rome had a population of 500,000
When Rome had a population of 750,000
When Rome had a population of 1,000,000



Other: Your own answer


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus



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Salve Tiberi,

LOL - After that long list edicate reminder this morning I thought
that this title of the post might be some spam that got through the
moderator. I get 10 - 50 emails a day regarding a question of "size"
and performance enhancers from machines to viagra! Well I saw your
name on the posting so all is ok. (grin)

Seriously, I read articles in the past that said city states worked
best with a population of 10 - 50,000.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:

> Salve
>
> Given all that you know about Rome and the Roman Republican

Constitution,

>
> When would you say the constitution worked best?
>
> What size City-state worked the best given her institutions?
>
> When Rome had a population of 10,000
> When Rome had a population of 25,000
> When Rome had a population of 50,000
> When Rome had a population of 100,000
> When Rome had a population of 250,000
> When Rome had a population of 500,000
> When Rome had a population of 750,000
> When Rome had a population of 1,000,000
>
>
>
> Other: Your own answer
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve Co-Dictator oh I mean Quintus Lanius Paulinus

I almost labeled it "Does size matter", :.)

I asked the question because someone on the ML some time ago suggested we
limit the size of the NR city. Knowing that the city will some day be build
and I was wondering what size would be best.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 12:01 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: A Question on size LOL


> Salve Tiberi,
>
> LOL - After that long list edicate reminder this morning I thought
> that this title of the post might be some spam that got through the
> moderator. I get 10 - 50 emails a day regarding a question of "size"
> and performance enhancers from machines to viagra! Well I saw your
> name on the posting so all is ok. (grin)
>
> Seriously, I read articles in the past that said city states worked
> best with a population of 10 - 50,000.
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
> wrote:
> > Salve
> >
> > Given all that you know about Rome and the Roman Republican
> Constitution,
> >
> > When would you say the constitution worked best?
> >
> > What size City-state worked the best given her institutions?
> >
> > When Rome had a population of 10,000
> > When Rome had a population of 25,000
> > When Rome had a population of 50,000
> > When Rome had a population of 100,000
> > When Rome had a population of 250,000
> > When Rome had a population of 500,000
> > When Rome had a population of 750,000
> > When Rome had a population of 1,000,000
> >
> >
> >
> > Other: Your own answer
> >
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Stephen Gallagher wrote:

> I asked the question because someone on
> the ML some time ago suggested we limit
> the size of the NR city. Knowing that
> the city will some day be build and I
> was wondering what size would be best.

Salve, Tiberi Galeri Pauline.

I'm pretty sure whoever you're referring to was talking about the area
of our future city, which we've stated as 108 acres, same as the
Vatican, not number of citizens.

As to the question at hand, I'm sure we'll be able to maintain a much
higher population than the old citystates, given modern communications,
should we want to maintain such a high population density.

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.

Salvete, omnes!

SVVBE

I, too, shall be out of reach as I will be at Roman Days this weekend. Now, I know what you are thinking..."Who cares? I never mail her anyway." Well, I've taken that into consideration and decided that I just wanted to sound important like Maximus. (hee hee) I can't wait to see you all there! It's been too long.

Valete,

Minervina Iucundia Flavia

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NR Friends;

For those who may be interested I am away for the "Roman Days" event in
Baltimore , Maryland. I will spend the remainder of the day packing the
van, and then preparing supper for this evening. We anticipate a very
early departure tomorrow morning.

I plan to return late Sunday Night , but will probaly not be on the
internet again until midday on Monday.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:

> Salve
>
> Given all that you know about Rome and the Roman Republican

Constitution,

>
> When would you say the constitution worked best?
>
> What size City-state worked the best given her institutions?
>
> When Rome had a population of 10,000
> When Rome had a population of 25,000
> When Rome had a population of 50,000
> When Rome had a population of 100,000
> When Rome had a population of 250,000
> When Rome had a population of 500,000
> When Rome had a population of 750,000
> When Rome had a population of 1,000,000
>
>
>
> Other:

I don't think that size matters <G> as far as population within urban
Rome itself. The Roman "Constitution" broke down as Rome expanded in
territorial influence and administration.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

Salvete,

We've been watching the weather for Roman Days weekend... the chance for rain
has gone up to 90% with thunderstorms. In other words - moderate to heavy
rain for the duration of both days.

Patricia Cassia and I are seriously considering cancelling our hotel
reservations for the weekend. I don't know if Roman Days can go on in a downpour. If
it does, will anyone even attend? We depend on the cost of the drive and stay
being offset by artifacts sales and can't make the trip if there is no chance
of being able to sell to the public.

Anyone have anything to say before reservations get cancelled? I know some of
the NR folks are pretty much counting on the "Nova Roma Tent" being there.
However, if all that tent is going to be used for is the die-hards huddling from
the rain, talking about the public not showing up...

Vale,

Marcus Cassius Julianus


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Marcus Cassius Julianus writes:

> We've been watching the weather for Roman Days weekend... the chance for
> rain has gone up to 90% with thunderstorms. [...]

> Anyone have anything to say before reservations get cancelled?

I'll be there, at least on Saturday, no matter the weather. Might
bring along a market umbrella to sit under. Though I don't expect
you'd have many sales from just me.

We'll miss you. But I do understand. I feel that as Governor of
the province I really should be present. But I don't expect you or
anyone else to feel such an obligation.

-- Marinus

Salve Marinus,

> I'll be there, at least on Saturday, no matter
> the weather. Might
> bring along a market umbrella to sit under.

I'll be there too rain or shine. See you there!

Vale,
Diana


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No they wee not some of us believe 108 is the first goal and see a CITY for
CITIZENS in the future.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kristoffer From" <from@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 12:55 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: A Question on size LOL


> Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > I asked the question because someone on
> > the ML some time ago suggested we limit
> > the size of the NR city. Knowing that
> > the city will some day be build and I
> > was wondering what size would be best.
>
> Salve, Tiberi Galeri Pauline.
>
> I'm pretty sure whoever you're referring to was talking about the area
> of our future city, which we've stated as 108 acres, same as the
> Vatican, not number of citizens.
>
> As to the question at hand, I'm sure we'll be able to maintain a much
> higher population than the old citystates, given modern communications,
> should we want to maintain such a high population density.
>
> Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.
>
>
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Salve FYI

The Roman Days event will be held in Prince George's County. That near
Washington D.C. 40 miles from Baltimore. Check out the Legion XX website for
directions.

See you all there

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: <jmath669642reng@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 2:46 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Away


> NR Friends;
>
> For those who may be interested I am away for the "Roman Days" event in
> Baltimore , Maryland. I will spend the remainder of the day packing the
> van, and then preparing supper for this evening. We anticipate a very
> early departure tomorrow morning.
>
> I plan to return late Sunday Night , but will probaly not be on the
> internet again until midday on Monday.
>
> Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Minucius Audens
>
> Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
>
> http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
>
>
>
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Cassius622@... wrote:

>
> Salvete,

Salve,

> We've been watching the weather for Roman Days weekend... the chance
> for rain has gone up to 90% with thunderstorms. In other words -
> moderate to heavy rain for the duration of both days.

The reports on weather.com I'm seeing for the weekend are rain late
afternoon Saturday and Sunday partly sunny. These reports change often
of course.

> Patricia Cassia and I are seriously considering cancelling our hotel
> reservations for the weekend. I don't know if Roman Days can go on in
> a downpour. If it does, will anyone even attend? We depend on the cost
> of the drive and stay being offset by artifacts sales and can't make
> the trip if there is no chance of being able to sell to the public.

Well, as you know I was hoping to buy something but I don't know about
others.

> Anyone have anything to say before reservations get cancelled? I know
> some of the NR folks are pretty much counting on the "Nova Roma Tent"
> being there. However, if all that tent is going to be used for is the
> die-hards huddling from the rain, talking about the public not showing
> up...

I understand your view completely, and it's not a Nova Roma event so the
the presence is not required but you would be missed. Can you imagine
that, ME at Roman Days and not YOU? Usually it's the other way around
but this will be my first appearance.

I'm not going for the event so much as to meet other Nova Romans.

Vale,

Palladius

Salvete omnes,

Come now, act not like the perfumed haired Greek dandy court poets,
the eunichs of Cleopatra's Palace or the howling mobs in the
colosseum safetly in the bleachers howling advice to those about to
die. A little rainfall? Where is the spirit that made Rome master of
the world? Where is the stoicism preached by the great Marcus
Aurelius? Will you all be hiding in your tents cowering from the
thunder and shivering like barbarian women in a cold cave suckling
their young ones? You should let the show go on for Roman days.
Surely the motels must have saunas and massage therapies after a cold
damp day in the field!

Regards from Quintus Lanius Paulinus who is stuck in the gods
forgiven barbarian wilderness between British Columbia and Alaska
trodding in deep mud, being eaten alive by mosquitoes the size of
humming birds, dodging black bear and grizzely on his way to lunch as
well as being very jealous he cannot attend Roman days!

Salvete again omnes,

Here is a sight about the life of women gladiators posted on another
list. I did not want to see Nova Romans miss this site. It is really
well done in my opinion. Enjoy!


http://www.gladiatrix.info/

Salve just for the record since December that bright thing in the sky the
ah? ????
hasn't seen it much in the DC area but life goes on. If isn't snow ,then we
get rain. This in an area that has had a drought for the pasted 11 years in
a row.

So please come anyway

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: "Decius Iunius Palladius" <bcatfd@...>
To: <Cassius622@...>
Cc: <lawrensnest@...>; <mamt@...>;
<vergil@...>; <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>;
<NovaBritannia@yahoogroups.com>; <merlinia@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 6:13 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Roman Days Rain???


> Cassius622@... wrote:
> >
> > Salvete,
>
> Salve,
>
> > We've been watching the weather for Roman Days weekend... the chance
> > for rain has gone up to 90% with thunderstorms. In other words -
> > moderate to heavy rain for the duration of both days.
>
> The reports on weather.com I'm seeing for the weekend are rain late
> afternoon Saturday and Sunday partly sunny. These reports change often
> of course.
>
> > Patricia Cassia and I are seriously considering cancelling our hotel
> > reservations for the weekend. I don't know if Roman Days can go on in
> > a downpour. If it does, will anyone even attend? We depend on the cost
> > of the drive and stay being offset by artifacts sales and can't make
> > the trip if there is no chance of being able to sell to the public.
>
> Well, as you know I was hoping to buy something but I don't know about
> others.
>
> > Anyone have anything to say before reservations get cancelled? I know
> > some of the NR folks are pretty much counting on the "Nova Roma Tent"
> > being there. However, if all that tent is going to be used for is the
> > die-hards huddling from the rain, talking about the public not showing
> > up...
>
> I understand your view completely, and it's not a Nova Roma event so the
> the presence is not required but you would be missed. Can you imagine
> that, ME at Roman Days and not YOU? Usually it's the other way around
> but this will be my first appearance.
>
> I'm not going for the event so much as to meet other Nova Romans.
>
> Vale,
>
> Palladius
>
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
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>
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>
>
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:

> Salve just for the record since December that bright thing in the

sky the

> ah? ????
> hasn't seen it much in the DC area but life goes on. If isn't

snow ,then we

> get rain. ThiAs in an area that has had a drought for the pasted 11

years in

> a row.
>
> So please come anyway

My going was not in doubt this year, I was a little worried about
Cassius though but he is going.

Palladius

Salve My dear Quintus Lanius Paulinus

You are coming to Roman Days, if just in sprit.

I will personally dedicate a drink in you honor or would you prefer two?

we/us Paulinus must drink I mean stick together

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 11:36 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Roman Days Rain???


> Salvete omnes,
>
> Come now, act not like the perfumed haired Greek dandy court poets,
> the eunichs of Cleopatra's Palace or the howling mobs in the
> colosseum safetly in the bleachers howling advice to those about to
> die. A little rainfall? Where is the spirit that made Rome master of
> the world? Where is the stoicism preached by the great Marcus
> Aurelius? Will you all be hiding in your tents cowering from the
> thunder and shivering like barbarian women in a cold cave suckling
> their young ones? You should let the show go on for Roman days.
> Surely the motels must have saunas and massage therapies after a cold
> damp day in the field!
>
> Regards from Quintus Lanius Paulinus who is stuck in the gods
> forgiven barbarian wilderness between British Columbia and Alaska
> trodding in deep mud, being eaten alive by mosquitoes the size of
> humming birds, dodging black bear and grizzely on his way to lunch as
> well as being very jealous he cannot attend Roman days!
>
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
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>
>
>

Salve my friend Tiberi,

Amen to that! I sure hope they do a NR convention at Caesars Palace
in Vegas in the near future. Please do take a few drinks for me. When
I return to Edmonton I am going to make spiced Roman wines according
to Appicius' recepies, drink in your honour and report the taste and
buzz to my fellow Romans. Also there was an article on ancient
Egyptian wines on the learning channel a few days ago. Apparently
they dropped Lotus flower petals in the wine which greatly enhanced
it for energy and sexual potency. The combo they figured had similar
properties to Glinko Baloba. I can probably at least find lotus
leaves in China town and I'll see what they do to my brew. Perhaps
I'll have to discuss the results in the back alley if the claims are
true!

Quintus Lanius Paulinus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:

> Salve My dear Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
> You are coming to Roman Days, if just in sprit.
>
> I will personally dedicate a drink in you honor or would you prefer

two?

>
> we/us Paulinus must drink I mean stick together
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@d...>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 11:36 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Roman Days Rain???
>
>
> > Salvete omnes,
> >
> > Come now, act not like the perfumed haired Greek dandy court

poets,

> > the eunichs of Cleopatra's Palace or the howling mobs in the
> > colosseum safetly in the bleachers howling advice to those about

to

> > die. A little rainfall? Where is the spirit that made Rome master

of

> > the world? Where is the stoicism preached by the great Marcus
> > Aurelius? Will you all be hiding in your tents cowering from the
> > thunder and shivering like barbarian women in a cold cave suckling
> > their young ones? You should let the show go on for Roman days.
> > Surely the motels must have saunas and massage therapies after a

cold

> > damp day in the field!
> >
> > Regards from Quintus Lanius Paulinus who is stuck in the gods
> > forgiven barbarian wilderness between British Columbia and Alaska
> > trodding in deep mud, being eaten alive by mosquitoes the size of
> > humming birds, dodging black bear and grizzely on his way to

lunch as

> > well as being very jealous he cannot attend Roman days!
> >
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to

http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/

> >
> >
> >

Salvete,

I am going to Roman Days Friday and will be out of touch until Monday.

Valete,

Decius Iunius Palladius,
Praetor

G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Itinera Electronica":

http://pot-pourri.fltr.ucl.ac.be/itinera/

This site, maintained by Alain Meurant (Département d'etudes
grecques, latines et orientales, Faculté de philosophie, Université
catholique de Louvain), provides electronic tools for the study of
classical languages, a large collection of primary source e-texts,
philological and literary essays, and a very interesting discussion of
the application of statistical analysis to philological and literary
studies with reports of several such applications. The site is in
French, but can be viewed via Altavista's Babelfish machine
translation facility (with the appropriate caveat about machine
translation in general) at http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salvete all,

Just to let you know that i spoke to Merlinia
last night and Roman Days is definately on and
with as much enthusiasm as usual-- rain or shine!


And she has a special message to Cassius "Don't
ne a wuss-- Come anyway!" :-)


Vale,
Diana

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Salvete Omnes,

I wishy you wonderful and sunny Roman Days, good roman week-end!

And I remember you all that if you miss Roman Days, you can't miss
Nova Roma International Rally 2003 in Bologna - Italy from 1st to 3
th August.
This invitation is for european citizens can't go in USA and for the
other citizens waould like to meet in the Mater Provincia.

For informations visit http://aediles.novaroma.org/apulus/meeting/
or contact fraelov@...

Valete bene
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile

VICESIMA QUARTA
LEGION XXIV MEDIA ATLANTIA
Defending the Frontiers of Ancient Rome
in the Mid-Atlantic Province of North America

Avete et Salutatio Commilitones

Hello and Greetings from Gallio Velius Marsallas
George W. Metz Praefectus / Commander
13 Post Run - Newtown Square PA 19073
legionxxiv@... 610-353-4982
www.legionxxiv.org

John Ebel, Summa Palus, Lead Gladiator
Box 2146 - East Hampton, NY 11937
631-329-2430 home 800-926-2306 office
gladius1@...

Legion XXIV legionaries and our Ludus Maximus gladiators will
be at Roman Days - Rain or Shine!!

Our troops are not made of sugar!
We won't melt in the rain - but we may rust a little.

See You at Marietta Mansion!!

UUHH RAHHH !!!

Gallio Marsallas Legion XXIV


Check our Website. It has links to other reenactment Roman Legions worldwide,
Historical Sources and Suppliers. Pages deal with Standards & Guidelines,
Equipment, Weapons and Armor. Extensive Timeline, Glossary and Photo
Gallery Thru Time. Other pages deal with the History of Rome and its Legions,
Gladiatorial Combat and the Colosseum. Check it Out!

Thanking you for your interest in Legion XXIV,

I manere in Viresium et Honorare
I remain in Strength and Honor

(take your pick)
Tuus in Sodalicio Romanae Republica
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Republic

Tuus in Sodalicio Romanae Imperi
Yours in the Comradeship of the Roman Empire

Gallio / George



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Diana Read <sulis@...> asked:

> How about directions to Marietta Mansion?

You can find directions and a map at

http://www.larp.com/legioxx/rdays.html#directions

The text of the directions reads:

DIRECTIONS to Marietta Mansion: 5626 Bell Station Rd., Glenn Dale, MD 20769.
301-464-5291. The Site Manager is Susan Wolfe.

From I-95/495, the Capital Beltway, take Exit 20 onto Rt. 450 East, go 4
miles, turn left on Rt. 193, then left onto Bell Station Rd. and left
again into Marietta.

-- Marinus

Salve Galeri Paulini,

I believe that if the laws are just, a sense of politeia exists, and
the populace is well-educated, then I believe a constitution and
societal institutions should be able to handle a city-state of any
size.

Vale,
N. Cassius Niger

G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Novaesium: Geschichte und Ausgrabungen des römischen
Neuss (Novaesium: History and Excavation of Roman Neuss)":

http://www.novaesium.de/vorwort.htm

This site, created by Jürgen Franssen, discusses Novaesium, the
pricipal Roman military supply center for the Lower Rhine, and its
history and archaeology. The site is in German, but can be viewed via
Altavista's Babelfish machine translation facility (with the usual
caveats about machine translation) at
http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

SVVBEEV



I have just finished Cicero's orations "In Catilinam" and I have a question:

who do you consider the best between Cicero and Catilina?


In fact, while the first was a very vain person and also a naïve politician, the other was very ambitious and "extravagant with his money and greedy for someone else's money", according to Sallust.



I'd be interested in your thoughts.



Valete,

Octavia Fabia Musa.


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Salve Octavia,

To answer your question, I'm personally all for Cicero, but I have a biased opinion. I've always admired Cicero anyway, and I have the same inferiority that, as my Latin teacher always says, Cicero and Pompey did. So my hand goes to Cicero, between himself and Cataline, for no justifiable reasons.

Vale,

Sp. Postumius Tubertus

"Nam nemo sine vitiis nascitur; optimus ille est qui minima habet." -- Q. Horatius Flaccus

Salvete Octavius et Spurius,

For people who don't know them, here they are in a nutshell:

Lucius Sergius Catiline - He came from an obscure patrician family
- Rose to political prominance about 60 BC
- Defeated by Cicero for the counsulship in 63
- Exploited the wide political unrest in Italy
- Involved in a conspiracy of rebellion
against the state
- Cicero takes action
- Cataline is defeated and killed in 62 BC

Marcus Tullius Cicero - He came from an equestrian family
- Orator who holds many political offices
- Defeated Cataline for the counselship in 63
- Opposed to Caesar, exiled in 58 BC
- Recalled in 57 BC
- 51 BC, he's governor of Cilicia, sopporter
of Pompei in the Civil War
- Reconciled with Caesar but supported his
assassination
- Delivers a series of speeches against
Anthony in 44 - 43 BC; however, Octavian
makes an allience with Anthony,
proscriptions follow and Cicero is executed.

Well based on these facts I have to give the winning hand to Cicero
with one reservation. He came from a merchant type family of
businessmen, by defeating Cateline in the senate as well as saving
his hide from the wrath of Caesar and getting promoted instead, he
was obviuosly the better talker, he climbed his way through the ranks
to get his poltical experience rather than trying to usurpe power
from the top and finally he was always a step ahead of Cateline,
shown by the fact he beat him to the punch with regards to the
conspiracy.

Still, I must stay consistant in my logic. My reservation about
Cicero is the same one I had for Brutus on my posting the other day.
Ceasar spares their lives and promotes them both. They both turn
around and stab him in the back; Brutus physically and Cicero, moraly.
In their circumstances, I think both men, after being spared by
Caesar should have resigned from office if they detested his policies
and let others solve the problem. I hate biting off the hand that fed
me.

Yours respectfully,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Salve, I am Marcvs Flavivs Fides. I am a 30 year old Police officer from NYC. I am a new Quiris of Nova Roma. Please feel free to contact me about anything, correspondence in Latin is fine. praefectus2324@...
Vale,
Marcvs Flavivs Fides



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Welcome Marcvs Flavivs! I'm sure you'll find many interesting
conversations here, in Latin and otherwise. Glad to hear from you!

Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, raymond fuentes
<praefectus2324@y...> wrote:

> Salve, I am Marcvs Flavivs Fides. I am a 30 year old Police

officer from NYC. I am a new Quiris of Nova Roma. Please feel free
to contact me about anything, correspondence in Latin is fine.
praefectus2324@y...

>

Vale,

>

Marcvs Flavivs Fides

>
>
>
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Salve,

I'm glad to meet you.

Vale,

Annia Minucia Sempronia



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, raymond fuentes
<praefectus2324@y...> wrote:

> Salve, I am Marcvs Flavivs Fides. I am a 30 year old Police officer

from NYC. I am a new Quiris of Nova Roma. Please feel free to contact
me about anything, correspondence in Latin is fine.
praefectus2324@y...

>

Vale,

>

Marcvs Flavivs Fides

>
>
>
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Salve Marci Flavi!

A hearty welcome to Nova Roma! I hope you enjoy your time with us
here and we all have one big thing in common - a love for Ancient
Rome. Please do not hesitate to discuss things or ask any questions.
What some of us can't always answer, other people can. Likewise you
can contact any of us personally on any question or problem. Now I
know I can come to you with questions about Latin.(grin) Please take
a look at our sodalistas groups and you'll also find a Latin list
there. All the best and have a great weekend!

Respectfully,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, raymond fuentes
<praefectus2324@y...> wrote:

> Salve, I am Marcvs Flavivs Fides. I am a 30 year old Police officer

from NYC. I am a new Quiris of Nova Roma. Please feel free to contact
me about anything, correspondence in Latin is fine.
praefectus2324@y...

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Vale,

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Marcvs Flavivs Fides

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Salve Octavia,

My apologies for calling you Octavius. Too much concentration on the
subject matter and not enough on your name.

Yours respectfully,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Max" <maxmarth@l...> wrote:
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question:
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politician, the other was very ambitious and "extravagant with his
money and greedy for someone else's money", according to Sallust.
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G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Gallia Belgica":

http://galliabelgica.free.fr/

The site is dedicated to the archaeology of the North of France
(Seine-Maritime, Picardie, Ardennes-Marne, and the Nord-Pas-de-Calais)
from the Iron-Age to Roman Gaul. It contains essays on archeaological
issues and bibliographic references. This site is in French, but can
also be viewed via Altavista's Babelfish machine translation facility
(with the usual caveats about machine translation) at
http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus