Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Jun 10-17, 2003

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11212 From: Daniel O. Villanueva Date: 2003-06-10
Subject: Attention factio veneta members
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11213 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-06-10
Subject: Re: Salvete
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11214 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-06-10
Subject: Fwd: Legio XX Roman Days
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11215 From: Tiberius Date: 2003-06-10
Subject: Re: Salvete
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11216 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-06-10
Subject: Re: Thanks and Roman Days
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11217 From: deciusiunius Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Re: Thanks and Roman Days
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11218 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: The Apulum Project
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11219 From: M. Octavius Solaris Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Internal Ludi factionis Albatae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11220 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Accomodation during Nova Roman Meeting
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11221 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Spanish? citizen.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11222 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Re: Back on duties
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11223 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Re: Spanish? citizen.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11224 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Re: Spanish? citizen.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11225 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Roman Summer Camp
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11226 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Academic Superbowl of Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11227 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Re: Back on duties
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11228 From: Mary Beth Clemons Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Thank You's From a Poor College Student...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11229 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Re: Thank You's From a Poor College Student...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11230 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Re: Thank You's From a Poor College Student...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11231 From: Centurion M Bianchius Antonius Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Lacus Magni Roman Gathering III
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11232 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Re: Lacus Magni Roman Gathering III
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11233 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: (no subject)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11234 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: The Roman Baths of Valesio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11235 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: NR mainlist / Codes of Conduct
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11236 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: Re: NR mainlist / Codes of Conduct
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11237 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: Re: NR mainlist / Codes of Conduct
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11238 From: zak29577 Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: Re: Historical CLothing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11239 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: Re: Historical CLothing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11240 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: Mailing list for the Eagle
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11241 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: Re: Historical CLothing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11242 From: Bill Gawne Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: Re: Historical CLothing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11243 From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: Re:
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11244 From: gaius_minervinus_valerian Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: Salvete Omnes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11245 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: Re: Salvete Omnes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11246 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: Fwd: Roman Military Muster, 2004, USA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11247 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: Re: Salvete Omnes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11248 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: Re: Diana for Consul 2757?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11249 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-06-13
Subject: Aphrodisias
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11250 From: Decimus Iunius Silanus Date: 2003-06-13
Subject: Away
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11251 From: GAIVS IVLIANVS Date: 2003-06-13
Subject: HAPPY IDVS OF IVNIVS!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11252 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-06-13
Subject: Re: HAPPY IDVS OF IVNIVS!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11253 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2003-06-13
Subject: A new issue of the Roman Times!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11254 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2003-06-13
Subject: Re: A new issue of the Roman Times!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11255 From: raymond fuentes Date: 2003-06-13
Subject: Re: Diana for Consul 2757?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11256 From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net Date: 2003-06-13
Subject: Legio VI
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11257 From: sa-mann Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: test
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11258 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: The Corinth Computer Project
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11259 From: M Flavius Aurelius Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: Screensavers/Wallpapers
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11260 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: A question?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11261 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: Diana heads Home
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11262 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: Re: A question?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11263 From: M Flavius Aurelius Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: Nova Roma and Cafe Press
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11264 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: Re: Diana heads Home
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11265 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: Re: A question?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11266 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: Re: Nova Roma and Cafe Press
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11267 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: Re: A question?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11268 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: Re: A question?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11269 From: zak29577 Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: Re: Historical CLothing
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11270 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: Re: A question?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11271 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: Re: A question?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11272 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: Re: A question? and now and answer
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11273 From: Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: test
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11274 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: Re: A question? and now and answer
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11275 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: The Amphoras Project
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11276 From: Patricia Cassia Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: Re: Nova Roma merchandise
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11277 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: Re: A question? and now and answer
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11278 From: Tiberius Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: Comentarii (from the desk of the Commander) Legatus Tiberius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11279 From: L. Sicinius Drusus Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: Re: Screensavers/Wallpapers
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11280 From: Tiberius Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: Re: Screensavers/Wallpapers
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11281 From: M. Octavius Solaris Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: Ludi Albi!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11282 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: Latin Forms of Address
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11283 From: Lee & Susan Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: Re: Latin Forms of Address
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11284 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: Re: Screensavers/Wallpapers
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11285 From: L. Sicinius Drusus Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: Re: Screensavers/Wallpapers
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11286 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: Re: Screensavers/Wallpapers
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11287 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: Re: Latin Forms of Address
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11288 From: rory12001 Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: Re: Latin Forms of Address
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11289 From: TiAnO Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Latin Forms of Address
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11290 From: Numerius Cassius Niger Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Latin Forms of Address
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11291 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Drittmittelprojekt Kalkriese
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11292 From: sa-mann Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re:[Nova-Roma] Re: Latin Forms of Address
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11293 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Latin Forms of Address
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11294 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Results of Senate Vote
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11295 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Ex officio- Co-opt of Gaius Popillius Laenas as the fifth Tribune o
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11296 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Mosaics and The Roman Summer Camp
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11297 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Edictum Praetoricium 2756-IX: Caius Cornelius Varus appointed Legat
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11298 From: Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Salve et felicitatus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11299 From: Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Mosaics and The Roman Summer Camp
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11300 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Salve et felicitatus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11301 From: kerunos Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Latin Forms of Address
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11302 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Ex officio- Co-opt of Gaius Popillius Laenas as the fifth Tribu
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11303 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Trinue Oath of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11304 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Latin Forms of Address
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11305 From: Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Salve et felicitatus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11306 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: the fifth Tribune of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11307 From: Manius Constantinus Serapio Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Mosaics and The Roman Summer Camp
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11308 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Legate Positions in AMS Province
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11309 From: Sp. Postumius Tubertus Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Invalid Edicta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11310 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Ex officio- Co-opt of Gaius Popillius Laenas as the fifth Tribu
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11311 From: jlasalle Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Legate Positions in AMS Province
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11312 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Salve et felicitatus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11313 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Mosaics and The Roman Summer Camp
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11314 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Mosaics and The Roman Summer Camp
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11315 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Congratulation to Gaius Popillius Laenas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11316 From: Sp. Postumius Tubertus Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Invalid Edicta - II
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11317 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Legate Positions in AMS Province
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11318 From: rexmarciusnr Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Ex officio- Co-opt of Gaius Popillius Laenas as the fifth Tribu
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11319 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Mosaics and The Roman Summer Camp
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11320 From: MarcusAudens@webtv.net Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Roman Self
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11321 From: Paula Drennan Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: I have a question
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11322 From: Sp. Postumius Tubertus Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Ex officio- Co-opt of Gaius Popillius Laenas as the fifth Tribu
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11323 From: Sp. Postumius Tubertus Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: I have a question
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11324 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Provincial Roman Archaeology
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11325 From: plubiusclaudio Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: A new citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11326 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Ex officio- Co-opt of Gaius Popillius Laenas as the fifth Tribu
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11327 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Provincial Roman Archaeology
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11328 From: gaius_minervinus_valerian Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Gens Application
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11329 From: gaius_minervinus_valerian Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Gens Application
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11330 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Gens Application
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11331 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Ex officio- Co-opt of Gaius Popillius Laenas as the fifth Tribu
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11332 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Ex officio- Co-opt of Gaius Popillius Laenas as the fifth Tribu
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11333 From: Bill Gawne Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Gens Application
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11334 From: asseri@aol.com Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Mosaics and The Roman Summer Camp
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11335 From: Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Mosaics and The Roman Summer Camp
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11336 From: asseri@aol.com Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Indiana - Illinois and Kentucky
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11337 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Salve et felicitatus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11338 From: Crystal . Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: (no subject)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11339 From: Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Salve et felicitatus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11340 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Photos from Roman Days
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11341 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Mosaics and The Roman Summer Camp
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11342 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Congratulations for Roman Days and welcome back!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11343 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Proposal for a Lex Fabia de Ratione Comitiorum Centuriatorum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11344 From: Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Photos from Roman Days
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11345 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Photos from Roman Days
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11346 From: Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Congratulations for Roman Days and welcome back!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11347 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Congratulations for Roman Days and welcome back!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11348 From: Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Congratulations for Roman Days and welcome back!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11349 From: jlasalle Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Photos from Roman Days
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11350 From: Gnaeus Salix Astur Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Invalid Edicta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11351 From: Sp. Postumius Tubertus Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Invalid Edicta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11352 From: Hector De Leon Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Legio VI
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11353 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Invalid Edicta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11354 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Photos from Roman Days
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11355 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Photos from Roman Days
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11356 From: C. Minucius Hadrianus Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Roman Re-enactment Kit for Sale
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11357 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Photos from Roman Days
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11358 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Ex officio- Co-opt of Gaius Popillius Laenas as the fifth Tribu
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11359 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: legalese vs. computerese
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11360 From: raymond fuentes Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Roman Re-enactment Kit for Sale
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11361 From: Paula Drennan Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Mosaics and The Roman Summer Camp
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11362 From: rexmarciusnr Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: About historical co-optations



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11212 From: Daniel O. Villanueva Date: 2003-06-10
Subject: Attention factio veneta members
Salvete omnes.
As I earlier posted, On June 20th the internal Ludi for the Factio Veneta begins. All Veneta members wishing to participate must send an email to Salix Galaicus : piteas@... containing the followinf information : 1) your roman name, 2) the name of your chariot, 3) the driver's name and 4) the tactics for the races (the same rules as usual).
Bene valete
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Dominus factionis veneta


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11213 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-06-10
Subject: Re: Salvete
Salve Tiberi!

Terrific pictures. I always wanted to see the turtle formation
demonstrated! Thanks for sharing!

Regards,

Quintus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Tiberius" <Tiberius@l...> wrote:
> Salvete Omnes
> I would like to say hi from the cold reaches of the Empire
(Canada)
> my counter part from Legion XXX sent me a link from Roman Days 2003
> with lots of pics
> http://orpheus.nascom.nasa.gov/~thompson/RomanDays2003/ Sadly
myself
> and my Legion were not able to make it there but hope some day soon.
>
> Valete
> K.M. Tiberius
> Legate Legion XXI Rapax
> http://www.leg-xxi.org
> (waiting on word for sponsorship)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11214 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-06-10
Subject: Fwd: Legio XX Roman Days
A website link for more pictures of last weekend's Roman Days.

-- Marinus

----- Forwarded message from richsc@... -----
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 22:09:44 -0400
From: Richard Campbell <richsc@...>
Subject: Legio XX Roman Days

Salvete! Some more photos from Legio XX Roman Days June 7 & 8:

http://www.geocities.com/richsc53/RD0603/RD2003.html

----- End forwarded message -----
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11215 From: Tiberius Date: 2003-06-10
Subject: Re: Salvete
YW Quintus
and if any are in the Calgary area and can watch global Legion XXI will be on the news as we are doing at presentation at the University of Calgary on the 21 following is an email from teh campus explaining the news slot and details of teh show can be found at http://www.ucalgary.ca/campusfair/ hope to see some of you there :D


So, Global TV is a definite go for Wednesday June 18th. At this point
you're slotted in for 7:15, but that can change if you need it to. Have
you had any luck rounding up some other guys? If so, I'll need their
names for Global.
We're thinking of shooting in MacEwan Student Centre, north courtyard.
What will your needs be in terms of space, etc.? Will that area be OK?
The Herald also is showing some interest in an interview, but I won't
know for sure for a few days.
Give me a shout when you've got a chance.
Cheers,
Beth

Valete
K.M. Tiberius
Legatus Legio XXI Rapax
http://www.leg-xxi.org
----- Original Message -----
From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 9:07 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Salvete


Salve Tiberi!

Terrific pictures. I always wanted to see the turtle formation
demonstrated! Thanks for sharing!

Regards,

Quintus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11216 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-06-10
Subject: Re: Thanks and Roman Days
Diana Moravia Aventina <diana_aventina@...> writes:

[amid a lot of other stuff]

> Another thanks to Paulina and Marinus who
> chauffered me around (and whom I didn't get
> lost)!

You're most kindly welcome Diana. It was entirely
our pleasure. I sincerely hope you're able to make it
back sometime again.

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11217 From: deciusiunius Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Re: Thanks and Roman Days
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Diana Moravia Aventina
<diana_aventina@y...> wrote:
> Salvete citizens,

Salve Diana,

> A special thanks to Palladius who held my eyelid
> open while I scraped crazy glue off my eyeball
> :-p Minerva must have been looking out for me (or
> Venus doesn't want an Odin-like Priestess)
> because my eye has had a miraculous recovery.

That was, to say the least, an experience I will never forget :-p and
am glad it turned out well; the eye is so delicate. Prayers were
answered.

> I miss you all already and am a bit down about
> it. It is weird to talk to people in person for 3
> days, love their company and then knowing that we
> may never see eachother again (or at best, see
> eachother in a year) go backwards to this medium
> of email. Somehow it just doesn't seem enough
> anymore.

I know exactly what you mean. Events and meetings give us all an
inkling of what the future of Nova Roma can look like. I felt a
greater sense of community and connection among that band of Nova
Romans than in macronational communities I have been a part of for
years--and I live in a town of 300 where everyone knows everyone.

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius,
Roman
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11218 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: The Apulum Project
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "The Apulum Project":

http://tinyurl.com/e0ne

This site contains the etext of Alexandru Diaconescu, Ian Haynes, and
Alfred Schäfer, "The Apulum Project. Summary report of the 1998 and
1999 seasons," in: S. Altekamp and A. Schäfer, eds, The Impact of Rome
on Settlement in the Northwestern and Danube Provinces, BAR
International Series 921, 115-128. The excavation has concentrated on
a temple dedicated to Liber Pater in Colonia Aurelia Apulensis, near
the modern city of Alba Iulia, Romania. Since the URL is rather long
and would likely be broken by the Yahoo format, I'm using the
TinyURL.com facility (http://tinyurl.com/) to truncate it.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11219 From: M. Octavius Solaris Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Internal Ludi factionis Albatae
Salvete omnes!

Factio Albata is having their own internal ludi to determine which of the albi is the best racer! If you have raced for factio Albata before, or if you are interested in defending our colours (this year we've had two victories already!), please consider joining our mailing list at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factio_albata .

To compete in the internal ludi, please send me the following information privately before June 13:

YOUR ROMAN NAME:
YOUR CHARIOT'S NAME:
YOUR CHARIOTEER'S NAME:
YOUR TACTICS:

Thanks! Remember that only albi can compete in these ludi!

Valete bene,
M. Octavius Solaris,
DF Albatae


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11220 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Accomodation during Nova Roman Meeting
Salvete Omnes,

you have a little time to reservate a room in the Residence Foschi
for the NOVA ROMA INTERNATIONAL RALLY in Bologna from 1st to 3th
August.
I'll wait another week for your comunications!

The Residences are two and they are very comfortable. One is in the
center of the italian city, close Piazza Maggiore. And the other is
in a quiet residencial area and it's an ancient Medioeval building.
Each room have bathroom, kitchen, TV, air conditioned, etc. We have
rooms from 3 or 5 or 8 beds and the price is 35 Euro per person per
night (it's a very cheap price for Bologna).

If you want reservate a room please contact me at fraelov@...
[fraelov @ libero.it] or visit
http://aediles.novaroma.org/apulus/meeting

The people resevated a room before May, please contact me again to
confirm it.

If you don't want make a resevation now, we can't be sure to givce
you a room.

Valete
Fr. Apulus CAesar
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11221 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Spanish? citizen.
Rafael Sierra Pérez wrote:
> Contacto tal como me indican
> Vale
> Espartacus

Rafael Sierra Pérez wrote:
> No se como acceder a los foros
> de debates.Chats,etc
> espartacus

Salvete, omnes.

This person, who I believe to be a citizen, has written me these two
letters. I have no clue what they're saying, so I was hoping someone
amongst us may be able to contact him.

His e-mail is: rafasipe AT hotmail DOT com

Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11222 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Re: Back on duties
And may Salus, Mercurius et Queen Minerva bless you mostly on your
new phase.

Welcome back!

L. Arminius Faustus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Sextus Apollonius Scipio
<scipio_apollonius@y...> wrote:
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> I am pleased to tell you that I am back on duties after a (too)
long period of
> uncertainty.
> Concerning my health problem, I will not have any surgery. In fact,
I visited ten
> specialists and I almost got ten different stories about what could
happen during and
> after the surgery. So I decided not to go for it and I will try to
get some muscles (it
> is about time...) in order to compensate my broken back. I am doing
slightly better
> although the pain is still here.
> Concerning my job and the wrong insurance policy contracted by my
employer, they finally
> admitted their mistake and we are going, I hope, to settle in a
while (and quiet down at
> the same time...). So my job is secured, at least concerning this.
> Concerning my move in Paris, I have still not found something to
live in with my family.
> They are still in Frankfurt and I spent almost all my week ends
over there.
> For those who would like to contact me: +33 1 58550743 at my office
or +33 623922628 on
> my handy.
> For the time being, I have to get connected to the Internet from my
studio. This will
> take approx. one week.
> I would like to thank Nova Roma for its patience and confidence
shown during this period
> and for all the support I received. It is a pleasure and a rare
opportunity to be around
> so nice people.
>
> Valete,
>
>
>
> =====
> Sextus Apollonius Scipio
>
> Consular Quaestor 2756 AUC
> Propraetor Galliae
> Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France -- French Translator
> Scriba Explorator Primus et Scriba Fiscalis Primus Academiae Thules
> NRLandProject, acting Praefectus Pecuniae
>
> __________________________________
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11223 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Re: Spanish? citizen.
Salve Tite,

Looks fragmented but he is talking about not knowing how to access
take part in the forums, debates and chats. I'll send him a note and
see what transpires.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Kristoffer From <from@d...> wrote:
> Rafael Sierra Pérez wrote:
> > Contacto tal como me indican
> > Vale
> > Espartacus
>
> Rafael Sierra Pérez wrote:
> > No se como acceder a los foros
> > de debates.Chats,etc
> > espartacus
>
> Salvete, omnes.
>
> This person, who I believe to be a citizen, has written me these two
> letters. I have no clue what they're saying, so I was hoping someone
> amongst us may be able to contact him.
>
> His e-mail is: rafasipe AT hotmail DOT com
>
> Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11224 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Re: Spanish? citizen.
Quintus Lanius Paulinus wrote:
> I'll send him a note and
> see what transpires.

Salve, Quinte Lani Pauline.

Thanks! :)

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11225 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Roman Summer Camp
Salve Romans

As we have talked about the idea of a Roman Summer Camp for kids in the past, I would like to suggest that we start now to plan for holding a camp next summer. More that one summer camp could and should be held and should be organized by LOCAL Romans. With that in mine I would like to suggest a meeting of those , interested, and in the Mid Atlantic area for a weekend planning session and general get-together. Send me some dates that would be good , we should do this summer so the information and other arrangements can be ready for school and we can start raising money for the camp. We will need Roman re-enactors and will need to ask for their help early.

I would thing we could hold the camp at a scout camp next year Before or after they have used it. I am leaning in the direction of holding it in Up-state New York, near ROME ( any chance they any NR in Rome NY). We could appoint different people to do research on differ topic and they would bring the information to the meeting to build a program for the camp and to deal with the logistics of the camp. We would need to decide a "theme", I am thinking of Your in the Roman Army now! , write a budget, get the word out to schools ( and other places) as soon as possible . You might be surprised how early people plan for the summer.

Hear is a list of some areas individuals can volunteer for.

1.. Program, what would would we offer and for what age group , co-ed?
2.. Finance/budget
3.. Physical site: Cost , location, amenities (lake not pool?)
4.. Coordination with Legions
5.. Cooking/ commissary staff
6.. Equipment: tents, camp tunics, tee shirts , bedding
7.. Administration and medical staff and medical forms and physicals
8.. Entertainment: plays, Gladiator fights, etc.
9.. Transportation
10.. Staffing: Staff training , staff applications and selection of a director, program director , Aquatics director and other key staff members
11.. Field trips or special events
12.. other?

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus






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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11226 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Academic Superbowl of Rome
Salvete omnes,

Here is an interesting website for NR citizens and especially new
citizens who wish to learn much about Rome all covered from one site.
I'll be playing ball in it all day. Few stones seem left unturned.

http://www.ips.k12.in.us/LINKS/iacetopic2001.html

regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11227 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Re: Back on duties
Salve Amice!

I am so happy to have You back and I hope to see You in Italia in
August. Is it possible?


>Salvete Omnes,
>
>I am pleased to tell you that I am back on duties after a (too) long period of
>uncertainty.
>Concerning my health problem, I will not have any surgery. In fact,
>I visited ten
>specialists and I almost got ten different stories about what could
>happen during and
>after the surgery. So I decided not to go for it and I will try to
>get some muscles (it
>is about time...) in order to compensate my broken back. I am doing
>slightly better
>although the pain is still here.

I hope You will get better and better.

>Concerning my job and the wrong insurance policy contracted by my
>employer, they finally
>admitted their mistake and we are going, I hope, to settle in a
>while (and quiet down at
>the same time...). So my job is secured, at least concerning this.

I wish You the best of luck!

>Concerning my move in Paris, I have still not found something to
>live in with my family.

I really hope that You will find some very good solution. ;-)

>They are still in Frankfurt and I spent almost all my week ends over there.
>For those who would like to contact me: +33 1 58550743 at my office
>or +33 623922628 on
>my handy.
>For the time being, I have to get connected to the Internet from my
>studio. This will
>take approx. one week.

I will try to help You to get back into things.

>I would like to thank Nova Roma for its patience and confidence
>shown during this period
>and for all the support I received. It is a pleasure and a rare
>opportunity to be around
>so nice people.
>
>Valete,
>

Of course we must be careful with our citizens, You needed this time
and You got it. ;-)

>
>=====
>Sextus Apollonius Scipio
>
>Consular Quaestor 2756 AUC
>Propraetor Galliae
>Sodalitas Egressus, Praefectus for France -- French Translator
>Scriba Explorator Primus et Scriba Fiscalis Primus Academiae Thules
>NRLandProject, acting Praefectus Pecuniae

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11228 From: Mary Beth Clemons Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Thank You's From a Poor College Student...
Salvete, omnes!

SVVBE

First things first: I arrived home ok and the flight back was a lot better than the flight up! (Just for the record.)

Secondly, I would like to convey my undying gratitude to all of you who treated me so kindly and warmly and made this trip possible.

To Q. Fabius Maximus, a gentleman and scholar who was nice enough to pay for my air fare and stay in his room (he even slept on the floor like a soldier!) and tote me around most of the weekend and pick up the tab for some of my dinners and alcoholic beverages. Your generosity is unsurpassed and I am very blessed to have a friend like you.

To the Cassii, very caring people who volunteered to pay for my dinner Sunday night even though I offered! It was great seeing you both again and I would like to extend an offer for you all to come visit me in the Sunshine State any time. (I will send you a fruit basket.)

To Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, the esteemed and compassionate governor of the Mid-Atlantic, without whom I would have been stranded in Maryland, I thank you heartily. (I need your address so I can send a thank you note and gas money! I got paid today!)

To Merlinia Ambrosia, thanks for giving me a ride to the hotel on Sunday afternoon and seeing me off EARLY Monday morning.

Thirdly, I would like to say how wonderful it was to meet some familiar and new Nova Romans face to face!

Decius Iunius Palladius, I hope I lived up to your expectations! (I think I did because I am still your favorite "ex-magistrate".)And it was nice to see Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus in good cheer and health. Thank you for your hard work in the event. And thank you, Marcus Minucius Audens for your entertaining stories over dinner!

Diana Moravia Aventia, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, Gaius Marius Merullus, it was a pleasure meeting you all for the first time!

I believe I covered everyone. If I forgot, please send me a nasty email to the list so that everyone can see what a dope I am. (If they didn't know already!)

I sincerely hope to see you all there next year or any time before then! Someday, when I graduate, I'll be able to do the same for all of you!

Valete,

Minervina Iucundia Flavia
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11229 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Re: Thank You's From a Poor College Student...
Minervina Iucundia Flavia writes:

[amid much else]

> To Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, the esteemed and compassionate governor of the
> Mid-Atlantic, without whom I would have been stranded in Maryland, I thank
> you heartily.

You're most kindly welcome. I figure it's what the Senate expects of me,
as their representative. Thank you for gracing us with your presence.

(address sent in separate private e-mail)

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11230 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Re: Thank You's From a Poor College Student...
Salve Flavia,

I hope that you are feeling ok considering the
lousy news that you got on Sunday night. And hey,
I thought of you yesterday. I went in one of
those close out stores and they were selling
garlic stuffed olives. I bought a whole bunch and
now have that garlicy aroma to prove it. The good
news is that no one can accuse me of having
tobacco breath anymore :-p

> I believe I covered everyone. If I forgot,
> please send me a nasty email to the list so
> that everyone can see what a dope I am. (If
> they didn't know already!)

I hope that I covered everyone too.

The only thing that you missed was announcing
Fabius' new title which we two ladies awarded
him. Can you translate it so that we can add it
is name in the same spirit that Palladius earned
Invictus??

Q Fabius Maximus HeWhodroveUsToTheBarus

Whatcha think?

Vale
Diana


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11231 From: Centurion M Bianchius Antonius Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Lacus Magni Roman Gathering III
Salve,

I am planning the 3rd installment of the Lacus Magni Roman Festival (Now officially the Lacus Magni Roman Gathering) and wanted input as to when would be the best time to hold it. I am looking at Sept-Early Oct of this year. It would be held in Columbus, Ohio and hosted by me, Marcus Bianchius Antonius. I will once again have an exclusive item only available at the Gathering, plus food, fun and games.

I would also like suggestions as to what you would like to see done different or better or at all.

Of course, everyone is welcome...not just from Lacus Magni, but from anywhere....except France...hehehe.

Thanks and I hope to here from everyone soon.





Marcus Bianchius Antonius
Propraetor, The Great Provincia Lacus Magni

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11232 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: Re: Lacus Magni Roman Gathering III
Salve Propraetor Marcus Bianchius Antonius

I hope you don't mine, but I took you e-mail to the main list and placed it in the Eagle as an announcement of the Lacus Magni Roman Festival . As you get more information please send me the info so I can up date it for the Eagle.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum





----- Original Message -----
From: Centurion M Bianchius Antonius
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Cc: GreatLakesNovaRoma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 8:34 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Lacus Magni Roman Gathering III


Salve,

I am planning the 3rd installment of the Lacus Magni Roman Festival (Now officially the Lacus Magni Roman Gathering) and wanted input as to when would be the best time to hold it. I am looking at Sept-Early Oct of this year. It would be held in Columbus, Ohio and hosted by me, Marcus Bianchius Antonius. I will once again have an exclusive item only available at the Gathering, plus food, fun and games.

I would also like suggestions as to what you would like to see done different or better or at all.

Of course, everyone is welcome...not just from Lacus Magni, but from anywhere....except France...hehehe.

Thanks and I hope to here from everyone soon.





Marcus Bianchius Antonius
Propraetor, The Great Provincia Lacus Magni

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11233 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-11
Subject: (no subject)
Salve my dear Diana I had a great time too.

BTW the only thing I noted that might even have the look of newsworthiness was your repeated
and emphatic refusals to answer one simple question. Are you or are you not running in this years elections for Consul. A simple softball question that I promised I would keep to my self and I said you would NEVER see mentioned of it in the Eagle. AND YOU WON'T. So are you or aren't you?

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11234 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: The Roman Baths of Valesio
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "The Roman Baths of Valesio: A Local Design In Late
Antiquity -- A different view":

http://www.xs4all.nl/~mkosian/valesio.html

This site, created by M.C. Kosian (Free Univ. of Amsterdam), takes a
critical look at the design and construction of Roman baths, including
technical analyses of the physics, engineering, and hydraulics
problems associated with a Roman bath house at Valesio (modern
Salento, Italy), and provides a critique of the traditional view of
bath construction.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11235 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: NR mainlist / Codes of Conduct
Salvete omnes,

I just wanted to touch on one point which is sometimes overlooked
and is happily rare on this particular list. When you ask the
citizens a question and one or more of them respond with a lot of
work and effort, it is a good idea to thank them or at least
acknowledge that you recieved and saw their data. It takes only 20 or
30 seconds to say, thanks, got it and click. When people in other
walks of life tell me they're to busy in their work to give 20 or 30
seconds to someone, I don't buy it. I reply by telling them they may
be in the wrong type of work or too far over their heads if they are
that sadly organized. Also other people take notice and may not
bother to answer further questions from those concerned.

Regards,


Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11236 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: Re: NR mainlist / Codes of Conduct
"Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@...> writes:

> ... When you ask the
> citizens a question and one or more of them respond with a lot of
> work and effort, it is a good idea to thank them or at least
> acknowledge that you recieved and saw their data. It takes only 20 or
> 30 seconds to say, thanks, got it and click.

I agree. Though I'll note that sometimes -- if for example a
person provides me with information via personal e-mail -- I'll
send the thanks the same way. (Other times I'll bring it to
the attention of the whole group anyway, just to make sure
folks know that someone is Doing Good Things.)

We do have a legitimate concern here in NR with e-mail volume.
So I make a personal judgement each time I post to the mainlist
to be sure that I have something to say that's worth sending
out to over 400 people. I also do try to keep the message short
and to the point, and I hope that others learn from my example.

But yes, Quintus Lanius, thank-you notes are always a good
idea. Courtesy is an excellent social lubricant, and it is
particularly useful here in our limited, text based medium.

Vale,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11237 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: Re: NR mainlist / Codes of Conduct
Snip for space

> But yes, Quintus Lanius, thank-you notes are always a good
> idea. Courtesy is an excellent social lubricant, and it is
> particularly useful here in our limited, text based medium.
>
> Vale,
>
> -- Marinus

Salve Marine,

Thanks for your addtional thoughts.

Regards,

Quintus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11238 From: zak29577 Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: Re: Historical CLothing
Salve Iulia Vespasia,

I am wondering where you got the pattern to make your husband's
tunic.

At one time I had such a pattern, but lost it. I thought it was in
the Files section, but if it was it isn't there now.

I'm asking as my daughter said she'd make one or two tunics for me,
but needs a pattern.

I would appreceiate any help you could give me. Thank you in
advance.

Vale,

Gaius Ursus Casca

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Karen Blackburn <Karen-Julia@m...>
wrote:
>
> I haven't bought a tunic from la wren but have made some myself
for both my husband and myself. <snip>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11239 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: Re: Historical CLothing
Gaius Ursus Casca asked Salve Iulia Vespasia:

> I am wondering where you got the pattern to make your husband's
> tunic.

While we wait for Iulia to reply, I'll mention that a classic
Roman tunic is very easy to make. It's just two rectangles of
wool or linen sewn together, leaving a gap for the neck and an
armhole on each side.

For my own tunic, I cut two 30 inch by 40 inch pieces of cream
colored wool and sewed them together. (A single 40 inch long
piece of 60 inch wide fabric cut in half works perfectly.)
If you want a longer tunic, just cut a longer length.

Leave an unsewn gap about 12 inches wide in the middle of the
top so you can get it over your head, and similar gaps at each
corner so you can stick your arms through it. That's all it
takes! I hemmed all of my edges, though even that is not
strictly necessary. But it does prevent ravelling over time.

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11240 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: Mailing list for the Eagle
Salve Romans

I have made a number of changes to the mailing list but many are still coming back.

If your MACRO initials and zip code match the following, please post to me privately your Macro name and
current address.

These are address as currently listed and could be you OLD address!!!!!


1. JT 19936
2. WS 89507
3. DM 17601
4. MV 75232


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11241 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: Re: Historical CLothing
Salvete Omnes,

yesterday an italian student of Archeology writing a final report
asked me one question about this issue.
She's studing the dresses of the local pre-roman populations,
Messapi in a special way. And she would like to know:
1) How you reproduce the original cloaths
2) what are the sources (literature, pictures, ruins, ect.)
3) what are the most famous archeological sources about it
4) how the apulian (south-Italy) cloaths were changed in the
republican roman cloaths.

Have you some useful links about the reproduction of the cloaths?
Thank you

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@c...> wrote:
> Gaius Ursus Casca asked Salve Iulia Vespasia:
>
> > I am wondering where you got the pattern to make your husband's
> > tunic.
>
> While we wait for Iulia to reply, I'll mention that a classic
> Roman tunic is very easy to make. It's just two rectangles of
> wool or linen sewn together, leaving a gap for the neck and an
> armhole on each side.
>
> For my own tunic, I cut two 30 inch by 40 inch pieces of cream
> colored wool and sewed them together. (A single 40 inch long
> piece of 60 inch wide fabric cut in half works perfectly.)
> If you want a longer tunic, just cut a longer length.
>
> Leave an unsewn gap about 12 inches wide in the middle of the
> top so you can get it over your head, and similar gaps at each
> corner so you can stick your arms through it. That's all it
> takes! I hemmed all of my edges, though even that is not
> strictly necessary. But it does prevent ravelling over time.
>
> -- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11242 From: Bill Gawne Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: Re: Historical CLothing
Franciscus Apulus Caesar wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> yesterday an italian student of Archeology writing a final report
> asked me one question about this issue.
> She's studing the dresses of the local pre-roman populations,
> Messapi in a special way. And she would like to know:
> 1) How you reproduce the original cloaths
> 2) what are the sources (literature, pictures, ruins, ect.)
> 3) what are the most famous archeological sources about it
> 4) how the apulian (south-Italy) cloaths were changed in the
> republican roman cloaths.
>
> Have you some useful links about the reproduction of the cloaths?

I don't have any links to websites, but I can recommend
The Journal of Roman Military Equipment Studies. It's
available in bound volumes from Amazon.com, and provides
a lot of detailed scholarship based on surviving receipts,
paintings, mosaics, Trajan's Column, etc...

I know that the reenactors use this journal extensively for their
information on making armor, equipment, and everyday clothing.

If she just wants to see how people are making clothing and
equipment in the reenactment legions today, she should take
a look at the excellent Legio XX Handbook available at

http://www.larp.com/legioxx/hndbk.html

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11243 From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: Re:
In a message dated 6/11/03 8:10:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time, spqr753@...
writes:


> Are you or are you not running in this years elections for Consul. A simple
> softball question that I promised I would keep to my self and I said you
> would NEVER see mentioned of it in the Eagle. AND YOU WON'T. So are you or
> aren't you?
>

Um Tiberius Galerius in case you haven't noticed you are on the main list
here, so any answer Moravia would give you would be public information. I'm sure
that is not want you want. Or is it?

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11244 From: gaius_minervinus_valerian Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: Salvete Omnes
I'm lanista of the humble http://www.gladiatrix.info ludus

I just wanted to drop you all a note and say thank you for all visits
to my school, and I hope you enjoyed your time there.

At the moment, I am waiting for the censors to view my application
for the Gens Minervinus, so I'm not yet a full citizen of Nova Roma.

I hope to be soon.

I look forward to taking part in the conversations on this group.

Vale

Gaius Minervinus Valerian
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11245 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: Re: Salvete Omnes
Salve Gai Minervine,

Welcome to Nova Roma and I'm sure I speak for many when I say we are
honored to have you here. I glad you got the visits from our
organization. Good luck with your gens application and we sure look
forward to your participation.

Respectfully,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus




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<gaius_minervinus_valerian@y...> wrote:
> I'm lanista of the humble http://www.gladiatrix.info ludus
>
> I just wanted to drop you all a note and say thank you for all
visits
> to my school, and I hope you enjoyed your time there.
>
> At the moment, I am waiting for the censors to view my application
> for the Gens Minervinus, so I'm not yet a full citizen of Nova
Roma.
>
> I hope to be soon.
>
> I look forward to taking part in the conversations on this group.
>
> Vale
>
> Gaius Minervinus Valerian
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11246 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: Fwd: Roman Military Muster, 2004, USA
Salvete!
This is from Legio II Augusta list, and might interest some folks.
vale bene,
Arnamentia

*****
Avete

There's going to be a

ROMAN MILITARY MUSTER
Hosted by Legio IX Hispana.

A five day event in April 2004. Exact dates to be announced in about a
week.
Held in Santee, California, USA (Adjacent to San Diego)

We're building a marching camp we're the brave and intrepid can camp
on site.
We're looking into providing tents and tent space but you are
certainly welcome to bring your own.
There will be a bread oven and we'll also have ground fires.
We'll have a missile range (arrows, slings, pilum, artillery)
The site is on the San Diego River so bring your boat.
There are huge fields for drills and battles.

There will be merchants of Roman gear; we're planning a mini military
conference; working on special rates at nearby hotels; we're
negotiating special shipping rates so you can send out your bulky
gear; we're planning family events such as trips to the San Diego Zoo
and Sea World; travel to and from the San Diego Airport.

Stay tuned for more info

Salvete
Sean "Sheridan" Richards

Gaius Valerius Tacitus Hibernicus
LEG IX HSPA - COH III EXPG - CEN I HIB
et
COH I BRIT

http://www.legio-ix-hispana.org
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11247 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: Re: Salvete Omnes
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaius_minervinus_valerian"
<gaius_minervinus_valerian@y...> wrote:
> I'm lanista of the humble http://www.gladiatrix.info...

Outstanding web site, I spent quite some time there last week!

>
> I look forward to taking part in the conversations on this group.
>
> Vale
>
> Gaius Minervinus Valerian

Welcome Gai Minervine, your talents will enrich us all!

--
Julilla Sempronia Magna
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11248 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-06-12
Subject: Re: Diana for Consul 2757?
Salvete!

First I'll quickly answer Q Fabius: I have no
problem answering Tiberius publicly. As I've
often said, an elected magistrate has to expect
to be under a microscope now and then and I am no
different! So ask away :-)

>Are you or are you not running in >this years
elections for Consul.

I would love to be the first female Consul in
Roman history, since I am the first female
Tribune :-) That said, during the last month or
so a few citizens have told me that they heard
that I was running or Consul next year, which was
news to me :-). Anyway, I don't want to say "No
absolutely not" but I certainly doubt it. But I
can definitely confirm that I will be running for
*something* in the elections of 2757.

Right now I am concentrating on the position that
I have been elected to for *this* year: Tribune.
Until I complete a few of the projects that I am
currently working on, i.e.: a few new legislative
proposals,the completion of the Tribunes
Handbook, & the reopening of a few discussions
that we've had in the past etc. I don't think
that it is correct to set my sights on something
higher. First I need to prove myself to the
citizens that I am a "worker" and not dead weight
with a fancy title. And since female magistrates
are a rare breed in NR, I feel that I have more
to prove than a male magistrate.

>A simple softball question that I >promised I
would
> keep to my self and I said you
> would NEVER see mentioned of it in >the Eagle.
AND YOU WON'T.

LOL! Thanks for setting my mind at ease!

Vale,
Diana Moravia

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11249 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-06-13
Subject: Aphrodisias
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Aphrodisias":

http://www.nyu.edu/projects/aphrodisias/

This site provides an account of the excavation of the Roman city of
Aphrodisias in Caria (in the Maeander River basin, roughly 100 miles
southeast of Izmir in Turkey) undertaken by New York Univ. and Oxford
Univ. The site includes a history of the excavations, detailed maps,
and photographs of the excavations and artifacts. While inhabited
from the sixth century BCE, Aphrodisias became a leading centre for
the cult of Aphrodite under the patronage of Augustus and was famed
for the quality of its marble sculptures, a number of which decorated
Hadrian's villa at Tivoli. The site has also been particularly
valuable for study of the imperial cult in the east.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11250 From: Decimus Iunius Silanus Date: 2003-06-13
Subject: Away
Salvete,

I am going to be away until 21st June at the earliest and shall be unavailable until this time. I will answer any messages when I return.

Valete

Decimus Iunius Silanus
Propraetor Britanniae




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11251 From: GAIVS IVLIANVS Date: 2003-06-13
Subject: HAPPY IDVS OF IVNIVS!
SALVETE QVIRITES! Today is the Ides of June and sacred
to IVPPITER INVICTVS EPVLVM and also to MINERVA. To
all my fellow Romani I wish the DEI be SEMPER
PROPITII! VALETE! GAIVS IVLIVS IVLIANVS, PGI

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11252 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-06-13
Subject: Re: HAPPY IDVS OF IVNIVS!
GAIVS IVLIANVS <ivlianvs309@...> writes:

> SALVETE QVIRITES! Today is the Ides of June and sacred
> to IVPPITER INVICTVS EPVLVM and also to MINERVA.

Well! Any day sacred to Minerva is a fine day indeed.

> To all my fellow Romani I wish the DEI be SEMPER
> PROPITII! VALETE! GAIVS IVLIVS IVLIANVS, PGI

Thank you Gaius Iulius. May the day be good for you.

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11253 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2003-06-13
Subject: A new issue of the Roman Times!
Salvete Romans!

The latest issues of the Roman Times has been published at:
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/

Please take a moment to read through some of these fine articles:

1. European Nova Roman Rally 2756

2. The Wind Among the Stones
by Gaia Flavia Aureliana

3. ROMAN TRADE
by Marcus Minucius Audens

4. POMPEIAN HOMES, PART ONE
by Marcus Minucius Audens

5. Rome on the Net I, Re-enactment
by Caius Curius Saturninus

6. Diocles from Lusitania
by Gnaeus Salix Galaicus

7. Too Roman to Handle, Part Two: Myrrh and Jasmine
by Octavia Fabia Scriba

We are now accepting submissions for the next issue! Please contact
me if you have an article that you wish to be included.

vale bene,
Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia
editor, Roman Times
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11254 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2003-06-13
Subject: Re: A new issue of the Roman Times!
Please forgive my oversight. This note is just to add that "The Wind
Among the Stones" by Gaia Flavia Aureliana is the winning article
from the Cerealia Literary Contest. Please read and enjoy!

Arnamentia Moravia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11255 From: raymond fuentes Date: 2003-06-13
Subject: Re: Diana for Consul 2757?
Go for it!!

Diana Moravia Aventina <diana_aventina@...> wrote:Salvete!

First I'll quickly answer Q Fabius: I have no
problem answering Tiberius publicly. As I've
often said, an elected magistrate has to expect
to be under a microscope now and then and I am no
different! So ask away :-)

>Are you or are you not running in >this years
elections for Consul.

I would love to be the first female Consul in
Roman history, since I am the first female
Tribune :-) That said, during the last month or
so a few citizens have told me that they heard
that I was running or Consul next year, which was
news to me :-). Anyway, I don't want to say "No
absolutely not" but I certainly doubt it. But I
can definitely confirm that I will be running for
*something* in the elections of 2757.

Right now I am concentrating on the position that
I have been elected to for *this* year: Tribune.
Until I complete a few of the projects that I am
currently working on, i.e.: a few new legislative
proposals,the completion of the Tribunes
Handbook, & the reopening of a few discussions
that we've had in the past etc. I don't think
that it is correct to set my sights on something
higher. First I need to prove myself to the
citizens that I am a "worker" and not dead weight
with a fancy title. And since female magistrates
are a rare breed in NR, I feel that I have more
to prove than a male magistrate.

>A simple softball question that I >promised I
would
> keep to my self and I said you
> would NEVER see mentioned of it in >the Eagle.
AND YOU WON'T.

LOL! Thanks for setting my mind at ease!

Vale,
Diana Moravia

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11256 From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net Date: 2003-06-13
Subject: Legio VI
Citizens of Nova Roma;

I greet you most humbly and wish to beg of you your indulgence to pass
on this information which may be of some small interest to you:

Legion VI from upper New York is being reactivated. Legion Vi was
started some years ago by Commander Casca, but when 9/11 occured he was
one of the first to be called into active military service. Due to his
sudden departure and the nature of his service he left no-one with
directions to continue the Legio during his absence.

Recently Commander Casca has been in communication with me and some of
the other members of his organization, and has taken steps to again
bring Legio VI to an operational mltary activity. I have been honored
to be chosen as one of the Commander's assistant's in this effort.

Legio VI will recruit members from the regio of upstate Nova York in the
provincia MediAtlantia and all regios of the provincia Nova Britannia.

Legio VI, by copy of this message, respectfully alerts the ProPraetors
of these provinces to it's new life, and makes the recommendation to
them, very respectfully, to consider appointing a Military Praefect for
thier Provinces. If a Miitary Provincial Praefectus has already been
appointed, it is requested that Legio VI be appraised of that apointment
in order to make periodic reports of te Legio's work and activities.

Legio VI will specialize in working with the "Ludi Maximus Gladitori" in
guarding that Ludi and attending the Gladiators both in the training
areas and in the arena, as the Sumna Pallas of the Ludi may request.
Thier efforts in preparing themselves for the defence of the frontiers
of the Empire will also be a major factor of thier endeavors.

Legio VI will entertain the enrollment of Legionaries, Miles Immunes,
and Auxila, as well as "camp followers," subject to the Legio VI
requirements of uniforming, arms and accoutrements. If anyone in Nova
Roma has an interest in joining Legio VI from the areas above indicated,
or from other areas as the individual shall determine within his /her
ability to attend future activities, you may contact myself for more
information.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens;
Tribunus Militum Laticlavius Architecturas
Legio VI
First Cohort, First Century

By Direction of the Legio Commander

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11257 From: sa-mann Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: test
bounce test sorry
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11258 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: The Corinth Computer Project
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "The Corinth Computer Project":

http://corinth.sas.upenn.edu/corinth.html

The Corinth Computer Project involves a computerized architectural and
topographical survey of the Roman colony of Corinth, conducted by a
team from the Univ. of Pennsylvania and its Museum of Archaeology and
Anthropology under the direction of David Gilman Romano,
reconstructing the city plan with computer models. The site provides
an exemplar of the value of computerised modelling in archaeology with
technical discussions of methodology, detailed maps and 3-D imaging
(including a Quick-Time movie of the forum of Roman Corinth as it is
today), and a bibliography.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11259 From: M Flavius Aurelius Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: Screensavers/Wallpapers
Greetings fellow citizens

Back before the beginning of time (read: before the list had to be re-created last year) there was a discussion about producing wallpapers and screensavers along a Nova Roman theme.

Did anything happen with this? I would like to get some Nova-Roman artwork for my PC screen.

Thankyou and I shall crawl back into my hole now....

M Flavius Aurelius
marcus.flavius@...
Australia Province


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11260 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: A question?
Salve Romans


Does anybody know what today is?


Vale

Tiberius Galerius
Paulinus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11261 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: Diana heads Home
Salvete,

Ok, after spending the best part of a month in
NYC, I am finally heading home to Gallia where
both my cat and my young man anxiously await me
:-).

I gave a few of you at Roman Days my USA
cellphone number. Please note that that number
will be disconnected on Monday and I'll be back
on my usual European GSM number.

Valete!
Diana Moravia





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11262 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: Re: A question?
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus asked:

> Does anybody know what today is?

It's Saturday, June 14th. That makes it Flag Day in the US, since
it was on this date in 1777 that the US adopted the Stars and Stripes
as its national flag. It's also the anniversary of the Battle of
Bannockburn, in Scotland, in 1314. Apropos to Nova Roma, it's the
anniversary of the date in 1951 that the first UNIVAC computer was
announced, marking a step along the road that eventually led to
the Internet and personal computers.

On our religious calendar it's the second day of Quinquatrus.
http://www.novaroma.org/calendar/junius2.html#quinquatrus

Tomorrow is the last day of Quinquatrus and is also the festival
of Vesta clauditur, when dirt was swept from temple of Vesta and
the temple then closed. Is that what you were thinking of?

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11263 From: M Flavius Aurelius Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: Nova Roma and Cafe Press
In October last, there was a brief discussion about selling NR merchandise through CafePress.com
Essentially, for those who do not recall it, someone mentioned the CafePress idea, and it was pointed out that the amount of revenue that Nova Roma would get is minimal, and CafePress make the lions share of the cash.
But the fact is that there are CafePress 'shops' set up selling Nova Roman produce, and I for one would like to buy. As I am in the process of setting up a house, having lost most of my possessions, I like the idea of an organisation I belong to (in this case Nova Roma) getting at least some of the cut when I purchase items.
Are these shops regulated? I gather there are at least copyright issues around using the SPQR and gold laurel symbol.

Can I recommend that some rules be drafted - along the lines of what percentage of profits should go to NR where the group's symbols are used? So that whoever is selling this stuff can legitimise their operation, and expand the choices of products available. And if the operators of such shops can contact me, I'd like to gossip about the logistics of the service, and how they've found using it.

For anyone who is interested, the current products are able to be viewed at www.cafeshops.com/novaromaeagle

M Flavius Aurelius
Australia Province

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11264 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: Re: Diana heads Home
Salve Diana

Great to meet you!!!!!

Have a safe trip


Love and kisses

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
----- Original Message -----
From: Diana Moravia Aventina
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 9:30 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Diana heads Home


Salvete,

Ok, after spending the best part of a month in
NYC, I am finally heading home to Gallia where
both my cat and my young man anxiously await me
:-).

I gave a few of you at Roman Days my USA
cellphone number. Please note that that number
will be disconnected on Monday and I'll be back
on my usual European GSM number.

Valete!
Diana Moravia





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11265 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: Re: A question?
Salve

Yes that is all true but not what I was looking fro from a bunch of Romans.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A question?


Tiberius Galerius Paulinus asked:

> Does anybody know what today is?

It's Saturday, June 14th. That makes it Flag Day in the US, since
it was on this date in 1777 that the US adopted the Stars and Stripes
as its national flag. It's also the anniversary of the Battle of
Bannockburn, in Scotland, in 1314. Apropos to Nova Roma, it's the
anniversary of the date in 1951 that the first UNIVAC computer was
announced, marking a step along the road that eventually led to
the Internet and personal computers.

On our religious calendar it's the second day of Quinquatrus.
http://www.novaroma.org/calendar/junius2.html#quinquatrus

Tomorrow is the last day of Quinquatrus and is also the festival
of Vesta clauditur, when dirt was swept from temple of Vesta and
the temple then closed. Is that what you were thinking of?

-- Marinus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11266 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: Re: Nova Roma and Cafe Press
Ave M. Flavius,
I brought up the topic of Cafe Press last year. I thought it looked like
a good idea but,
most of the comments about Cafe Press were
not encourging. And it was not pursued any
further. I still think it sounds like a good idea
though.

Sextus Cornelius Cotta
Propraetor, AMS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11267 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: Re: A question?
Salve Tiberi,

The festival of Jupiter Invictus which started yesterday; the lesser
Quinquatrus that is taking place from June 13 - 15, a festival of
guild flute players who were important in religious ceremonies.

Regards


Quintus




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:
> Salve
>
> Yes that is all true but not what I was looking fro from a bunch
of Romans.
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 9:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A question?
>
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus asked:
>
> > Does anybody know what today is?
>
> It's Saturday, June 14th. That makes it Flag Day in the US, since
> it was on this date in 1777 that the US adopted the Stars and
Stripes
> as its national flag. It's also the anniversary of the Battle of
> Bannockburn, in Scotland, in 1314. Apropos to Nova Roma, it's the
> anniversary of the date in 1951 that the first UNIVAC computer was
> announced, marking a step along the road that eventually led to
> the Internet and personal computers.
>
> On our religious calendar it's the second day of Quinquatrus.
> http://www.novaroma.org/calendar/junius2.html#quinquatrus
>
> Tomorrow is the last day of Quinquatrus and is also the festival
> of Vesta clauditur, when dirt was swept from temple of Vesta and
> the temple then closed. Is that what you were thinking of?
>
> -- Marinus
>
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11268 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: Re: A question?
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> Salve Tiberi,
>
>Also the anniverary of the battle of Chalons between Atilla the Hun
and General Aetius in 451 AD.

Quintus
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher"
<spqr753@m...>
> wrote:
> > Salve
> >
> > Yes that is all true but not what I was looking fro from a bunch
> of Romans.
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 9:38 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A question?
> >
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus asked:
> >
> > > Does anybody know what today is?
> >
> > It's Saturday, June 14th. That makes it Flag Day in the US,
since
> > it was on this date in 1777 that the US adopted the Stars and
> Stripes
> > as its national flag. It's also the anniversary of the Battle
of
> > Bannockburn, in Scotland, in 1314. Apropos to Nova Roma, it's
the
> > anniversary of the date in 1951 that the first UNIVAC computer
was
> > announced, marking a step along the road that eventually led to
> > the Internet and personal computers.
> >
> > On our religious calendar it's the second day of Quinquatrus.
> > http://www.novaroma.org/calendar/junius2.html#quinquatrus
> >
> > Tomorrow is the last day of Quinquatrus and is also the festival
> > of Vesta clauditur, when dirt was swept from temple of Vesta and
> > the temple then closed. Is that what you were thinking of?
> >
> > -- Marinus
> >
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11269 From: zak29577 Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: Re: Historical CLothing
Salve,

Many thanks for your input. Your method sound easy enough that I
can probably do it myself without cutting off more than two or three
fingers, or sewing myself to the fabric. ;-)

I left your original message full length in case someone interested
missed it when you sent it.

Vale,

-- Casca

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@c...> wrote:
> Gaius Ursus Casca asked Salve Iulia Vespasia:
>
> > I am wondering where you got the pattern to make your husband's
> > tunic.
>
> While we wait for Iulia to reply, I'll mention that a classic
> Roman tunic is very easy to make. It's just two rectangles of
> wool or linen sewn together, leaving a gap for the neck and an
> armhole on each side.
>
> For my own tunic, I cut two 30 inch by 40 inch pieces of cream
> colored wool and sewed them together. (A single 40 inch long
> piece of 60 inch wide fabric cut in half works perfectly.)
> If you want a longer tunic, just cut a longer length.
>
> Leave an unsewn gap about 12 inches wide in the middle of the
> top so you can get it over your head, and similar gaps at each
> corner so you can stick your arms through it. That's all it
> takes! I hemmed all of my edges, though even that is not
> strictly necessary. But it does prevent ravelling over time.
>
> -- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11270 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: Re: A question?
Salve again not the answers I was looking for from a group of such regal Romans




Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
----- Original Message -----
From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 10:32 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: A question?


Salve Tiberi,

The festival of Jupiter Invictus which started yesterday; the lesser
Quinquatrus that is taking place from June 13 - 15, a festival of
guild flute players who were important in religious ceremonies.

Regards


Quintus




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:
> Salve
>
> Yes that is all true but not what I was looking fro from a bunch
of Romans.
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 9:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A question?
>
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus asked:
>
> > Does anybody know what today is?
>
> It's Saturday, June 14th. That makes it Flag Day in the US, since
> it was on this date in 1777 that the US adopted the Stars and
Stripes
> as its national flag. It's also the anniversary of the Battle of
> Bannockburn, in Scotland, in 1314. Apropos to Nova Roma, it's the
> anniversary of the date in 1951 that the first UNIVAC computer was
> announced, marking a step along the road that eventually led to
> the Internet and personal computers.
>
> On our religious calendar it's the second day of Quinquatrus.
> http://www.novaroma.org/calendar/junius2.html#quinquatrus
>
> Tomorrow is the last day of Quinquatrus and is also the festival
> of Vesta clauditur, when dirt was swept from temple of Vesta and
> the temple then closed. Is that what you were thinking of?
>
> -- Marinus
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11271 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: Re: A question?
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus writes:

> Salve again not the answers I was looking for from a group of such regal
> Romans

So enlighten us, oh sage!

-- Marinus (not a child to be chided)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11272 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: Re: A question? and now and answer
Salve Marinus

" (not a child to be chided)" ??????

If I have offended you and anybody else my apologies

I thought the clue "Regal " might have helped the Citizens of the Nova Roma Republic to remember that on June 14, 510 BCE Rome became a Republic.

Again my apologies for wasting your time.

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2003 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: A question?


Tiberius Galerius Paulinus writes:

> Salve again not the answers I was looking for from a group of such regal
> Romans

So enlighten us, oh sage!

-- Marinus (not a child to be chided)


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11273 From: Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus Date: 2003-06-14
Subject: test
Salvete,

My emails were bouncing off all yahoo accounts, just checking to make
sure all is well now.

Valete,

D. Iunius Palladius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11274 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: Re: A question? and now and answer
G. Iulius Scaurus T. Galerio Paulino salutem dicit.

> If I have offended you and anybody else my apologies

I took no offense to your question, but I think it does take a
somewhat credulous attitude toward traditional accounts of early Roman
history and the notorious difficulty of pinning down dates in that period.

> I thought the clue "Regal " might have helped the Citizens of the
Nova Roma Republic to remember that on June 14, 510 BCE Rome became a
Republic.

Alan Griffiths (University College London) has an interesting and
substantially persuasive article on the origins of the story of the
end of the Tarquins, "Where did early Roman history come from?" at:

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/GrandLat/people/griffiths/collatin.htm#n15

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11275 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: The Amphoras Project
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "The Amphoras Project":

http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/amphoras/project.html

This site, created by Carolyn Koehler (Univ. of Maryland, Baltimore
Country) and Philippa Matheson (Univ. of Toronto), is a centre for
scholarship on the principal vessels in which traded materials were
transported in the ancient Mediterranean and includes an extensive
bibliography, English translation of literary sources, links to other
sites dealing with ancient trade and commerce, and a searchable
database of descriptions and stamp readings of published Greek and
Roman amphoras.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11276 From: Patricia Cassia Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: Re: Nova Roma merchandise
On Sunday, June 15, 2003, at 07:32 AM, Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Can I recommend that some rules be drafted - along the lines of what
> percentage of profits should go to NR where the group's symbols are
> used?

I believe the existing Macellum legislation already covers some of
this. Speaking of which, have you checked out the cool stuff there
recently?

http://www.novaroma.org/macellum/

-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11277 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: Re: A question? and now and answer
Salve G. Iulius Scaurus

I do not dispute that Roman history dates are problematic at best but if we know April 21 or at least think we do then we should know June 14, 510 as well. Talk about a mountain and a mole hill, the question was posted for fun nothing more or less.


Vale

Tiberius
----- Original Message -----
From: GÂ¥IVLIVSÂ¥SCAVRVS
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 12:08 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: A question? and now and answer


G. Iulius Scaurus T. Galerio Paulino salutem dicit.

> If I have offended you and anybody else my apologies

I took no offense to your question, but I think it does take a
somewhat credulous attitude toward traditional accounts of early Roman
history and the notorious difficulty of pinning down dates in that period.

> I thought the clue "Regal " might have helped the Citizens of the
Nova Roma Republic to remember that on June 14, 510 BCE Rome became a
Republic.

Alan Griffiths (University College London) has an interesting and
substantially persuasive article on the origins of the story of the
end of the Tarquins, "Where did early Roman history come from?" at:

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/GrandLat/people/griffiths/collatin.htm#n15

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11278 From: Tiberius Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: Comentarii (from the desk of the Commander) Legatus Tiberius
Salvete Milites
Drill and weapons training yesterday was great, we are well on our way to becoming a very cohesive group. Currently we have 6 members that are at every Muster and drill which is great to see. I cannot wait till the day we have at least a Maniple to field so we need to get EVERYONE out and kitted out. We had numerous people stopping and watching and asking questions. Staring July 2nd (Wednesday Night) we will be having drill and weapons training every Wednesday in the Field of Mars located by Plautius beginning at 6 pm till about 9 pm. We have a very busy summer season ahead of us.Wednesday morning at the U of C for our TV interview on Global to be aired at 7:15 am to promote the Campus Fair. This Saturday we are at the U of C doing 2 shows the first is for the Alumni the second show is for the Public which I hear may well be televised. July 18, 2003 we have the Italy opening at the Museum of Regiments. August 15-17 we are at the Westin Hotel Down Town for Conversion again 2 shows there but not sure what we can do inside as yet but will come up with something.

This is just the starting people, time to start making the extra effort to show for practices which even Venator our newest Member is pumped about. It is a minimal investment for your Tiro kit to show to practices which is just your Tunica, Caligae, Cingulum. The Legion supplies the Pila and practice Scuta. As I stated this is a weekly thing starting July 2nd. Only way this will be cancelled is if we are doing an event that same morning.

Practices mainly consist of Drill, formations, sword and shield training, pila tossing, We will soon be also looking at getting everyone swimming and weight training as well as other cardio exercises as this is all part of training as every Legionnaire did know how to swim and was extremely fit. Lets get happening as I know Ambrose works at Worlds Gym and can get us a group rate for membership. Its high time we use the resources we have at hand and become the Best Legion in the World.

On other news I have also just completed my First Aid course so we now have that at each event for the off chances of emergencies. I am also starting plans for our next feast in October for the 18th (A Saturday) as we have a Chef willing to cook for us because he is wanting to try his hand at something new and challenging. He also works with Culpatus which is where I will be getting the food supplies at a great rate. I am not sure about the rest of you but I am Pumped to a new altered high as to how far our Legion is heading at so new a stage. We have 2 great shows that should draw many new recruits if we are upto speed and willing to go that extra mile. Would it not be nice to head to California next April where Legion IX is hosting a large event for all North American Legion and we field 20-40 Legionnaires ourselves? I know he has 60 confirmed now OH THE GLORY!!!!!!!!!
Tuus in Sodalicio Romanae Imperi
K.M. Tiberius
Legatus Legio XXI Rapax
http://www.leg-xxi.org

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11279 From: L. Sicinius Drusus Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: Re: Screensavers/Wallpapers
Salvete M Flavi Et Omnes,

I Have been working on a Nova Roma Desktop theme for
Windows Computers. It has the same wallpaper as Nova
Roma's web site, A Screen saver, 70 icons, and Custom
start up and shut down screens for systems running
Windows 9x. For now it's availble at

http://www.brandxcomputers.com/downloads.html

Hopefully the Curator Araneum will be able to make it
availble from the Nova Roma web site soon.

--- M Flavius Aurelius <marcus.flavius@...>
wrote:
> Greetings fellow citizens
>
> Back before the beginning of time (read: before the
> list had to be re-created last year) there was a
> discussion about producing wallpapers and
> screensavers along a Nova Roman theme.
>
> Did anything happen with this? I would like to get
> some Nova-Roman artwork for my PC screen.
>
> Thankyou and I shall crawl back into my hole now....
>
> M Flavius Aurelius
> marcus.flavius@...
> Australia Province
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11280 From: Tiberius Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: Re: Screensavers/Wallpapers
Salve Drusus
Excellent desktop it loaded very well with no problems. Well Done!!

Vale
K.M. Tiberius
Legatus Legio XXI Rapax
http://www.leg-xxi.org


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus"
<lsicinius@y...> wrote:
> Salvete M Flavi Et Omnes,
>
> I Have been working on a Nova Roma Desktop theme for
> Windows Computers. It has the same wallpaper as Nova
> Roma's web site, A Screen saver, 70 icons, and Custom
> start up and shut down screens for systems running
> Windows 9x. For now it's availble at
>
> http://www.brandxcomputers.com/downloads.html
>
> Hopefully the Curator Araneum will be able to make it
> availble from the Nova Roma web site soon.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11281 From: M. Octavius Solaris Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: Ludi Albi!
Salvete Romani,

Here is the exclusive report from the indoors conducted Ludi Albi. Our
finest charioteers and chariots gathered at factio Albata's private racing
facilities. These were generously paid for by an anonymous censor. Factio
Albata is, in spite of its recent successes, a small factio, but has proven
that bigger isn't always better. In order to ensure that Albata will keep
bringing top level entertainment, the best racing and the most exciting
strategies we decided to hold our internal ludi to see what we could learn
from each other.

So. From the misty valleys of the North, where our own replica of the circus
is located, come the reports of the Ludi Albi!

Here are the contestants:

Impactus Infrenatus
Charioteer: Concordius
Sponsor: Gn. Octavius Noricus

Vita Brevis
Charioteer: Admiratius Magnus
Sponsor: Gn. Equitius Marinus

Fulmen Draconis
Charioteer: Damnator
Sponsor: M. Octavius Solaris

Imperator Invictus
Charioteer: Draco Borealis
Sponsor: G. Vipsanius Agrippia

Alea Iacta Est
Charioteer: Aurelius
Sponsor: M. Tullius Philipicae

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The five players don't waste their time with formalities, and off they go
under cloudy skies in a moody atmosphere. Of the five, Concordius and
Damnator are the veterans, having competed in a lot of races. However
Damnator never managed to win one and this has, to an extent, frustrated
him. Especially now that Concordius did grasp a victory some time ago! The
three others are rising stars, especially Draco Borealis, under the
patronage of G. Vipsanius. Of course all sponsors are also there, cheering
on their drivers! The masters are looking!

Vita Brevis takes a head start and rockets past the others, taking quite a
risk when passing the spina so closely. You'd think that Admiratius Magnus
wants to impress the others. At first they don't really seem to react but
nonetheless the other four are now steadily gaining speed as Magnus comes
out of the curve and the others enter it. A fierce lashing of whips is
heard, and rough cries are filling the morning air. And there it happens:
Concordius begins singling out Alea Iacta Est and its driver Aurelius,
slowly but certainly trying to drive him against the walls! Damnator,
Concordius' partner in crime, grins fiendishly as he passes the duo and
begins to chase Draco Borealis, who is second, and Admiratius Magnus who is
still way ahead of the others.

Admiratius Magnus fails to increase the distance between him and the others.
In the tribunes Marinus, his sponsor, is going out of his mind, but his
accusations that the Vita Brevis has been sabotaged by the other drivers is
nonsense. The others are simply accelerating! In a frantic pace Draco
Borealis and Damnator are closing in on their colleague. Friendship among
the Albi here is a rare thing in this moment. Meanwhile Aurelius has freed
himself from Concordius' grasp but still seems to drive shakily. A
frustrated Concordius is left behind.

There they go, in the bend. The distance closes and keeps closing, until
finally Draco Borealis and his Imperator Invictus reach the Vita Brevis.
Damnator gives it one more try and boosts his span into a higher
acceleration but must give up the chase as they enter the spina curve.
Magnus proves his skill once again by rounding the spina perfectly! However,
the Imperator Invictus is no less capable of doing this and has soon caught
up with him again on the next straight lane. At the same time, the Alea
Iacta Est has found its stability again and is now trying to sneak up on
Damnator's Fulmen Draconis. Latter has noticed this manoeuvre and is
continuously slowing down and speeding up again, moving left and right, to
prevent Aurelius from passing.

However, in all this trickery Damnator only manages to slow down himself and
is forced to let Aurelius pass on the straight lanes. Once again he sees
three chariots in front of him and only one, the equally frustrated
Concordius, following behind. The Alea Iacta Est really seems to have
regained strength and manages to pass the Imperator Invictus... in the
curve! Wow. That's racing skills. Concordius and his Impactus Infrenatus are
catching up with Damnator, who seems to be experiencing problems with his
span. What's going on there?

While the leading three chariots are clearly distancing themselves from the
two veterans - already their sponsors are beginning to doubt their
abilities - Concordius and Damnator get into an ugly dogfight, bumping into
each other and viciously lashing their whips. However it's Damnator who
delivers the fatal blow. A well-placed push against the sides of the
Impactus Infrenatus breaks its frame at its weakest point, and a second blow
mercilessly drives it against the walls. Concordius leaves a trail of
splinters and his span continues to drag around the confused and angry racer
for half a round.

However, all this bravado and violence do not help Damnator. The other three
are too far ahead now.

And sure it's going to be exciting! Admiratius Magnus still leads but for
how long? He can feel the others' breath in his neck. And it's not a
comfortable feeling. And there they go, coming down the last straight line!
Vita Brevis falls back, passed by Alea Iacta Est. Draco Borealis now also
passes Magnus and his Vita Brevis. Still a few metres to go. Will Magnus
make a comeback? Can he? He gives it a last go. Passes Draco. But is
immediately passed by Draco again. It seems Aurelius will win! Or. No. Draco
takes advantage of a sudden direction shift of the Alea Iacta Est and passes
it! There he goes! He's the winner!!!

And these are the full results of the race:

5. Accident!!
4. Damnator - Fulmen Draconis
3. Admiratius Magnus - Vita Brevis
2. Aurelius - Alea Iacta Est
1. DRACO BOREALIS - IMPERATOR INVICTUS

Congratulations to the new Albata champion! This one clearly has the Force
:).

Congratulations, too, to his sponsor, Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa.

Valete bene,
M. Octavius Solaris
DF Albatae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11282 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: Latin Forms of Address
A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
greetings.

I've just finished reading and taking notes from (it's
a library book, you see) 'Latin Forms of Address' by
Eleanor Dickey (Oxford University Press, 2002).

It's a fairly comprehensive book on how Romans
addressed one another in different situations and
different relationships. The methods by which we
address one another here on the main list are quite
varied, and some more historical than others, so I
thought some of you might be interested to know how it
was done in the old days.

If anyone is interested, please contact me directly
and I'll type up my notes for you.

Consider this my small attempt to compete with the
many citizens who post useful information to this list
with astounding frequency - is it becoming a new kind
of public benefaction? Our electronic way of building
aqueducts, perhaps... :)

Cordus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11283 From: Lee & Susan Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: Re: Latin Forms of Address
I, for one, would love to see your notes on this :)
Thank You for the offer.
Susan (still looking for her Roman self)

----- Original Message -----
From: "A. Apollonius Cordus" <cordus@...>
To: "Main List" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2003 2:54 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Latin Forms of Address


> A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
> greetings.
>
> I've just finished reading and taking notes from (it's
> a library book, you see) 'Latin Forms of Address' by
> Eleanor Dickey (Oxford University Press, 2002).
>
> It's a fairly comprehensive book on how Romans
> addressed one another in different situations and
> different relationships. The methods by which we
> address one another here on the main list are quite
> varied, and some more historical than others, so I
> thought some of you might be interested to know how it
> was done in the old days.
>
> If anyone is interested, please contact me directly
> and I'll type up my notes for you.
>
> Consider this my small attempt to compete with the
> many citizens who post useful information to this list
> with astounding frequency - is it becoming a new kind
> of public benefaction? Our electronic way of building
> aqueducts, perhaps... :)
>
> Cordus
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11284 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: Re: Screensavers/Wallpapers
Salve,
Don't forget us Mac user's! The Darkside get's everything.


Sextus Cornelius Cotta

AIM: Walhalla47
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11285 From: L. Sicinius Drusus Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: Re: Screensavers/Wallpapers
I've never owned a Mac, so I don't even know if they
are themeable. (I'm sure the Mac owners will cure my
ignorance).;) If they can be themed and I don't have
to purchase a Mac or a bunch of software to do a Mac
version I'll do one. I'm also planning on a KDE
version for *nix systems. I just happened to have the
software handy for a Windows version, so it got done
first.

--- Charlie Collins <cotta@...> wrote:
> Salve,
> Don't forget us Mac user's! The Darkside get's
> everything.
>
>
> Sextus Cornelius Cotta
>
> AIM: Walhalla47
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11286 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: Re: Screensavers/Wallpapers
Well, hopefully there is a Mac Guru in NR who can help. A DT
wallpaper would be nice(a 1024x768 jpeg would do).


Sextus Cornelius Cotta

AIM: Walhalla47
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11287 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: Re: Latin Forms of Address
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"
<cordus@s...> wrote:
> A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
> greetings.

I too would be very pleased to read your notes on Latin forms of
address, which would certainly help keep ME in line (eheu! Is there a
Latin Miss Manners out there??)

gratias multas,

Julilla Sempronia Magna
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11288 From: rory12001 Date: 2003-06-15
Subject: Re: Latin Forms of Address
Include me too please, what an excellent contribution
vale, Rory (gens confusion)


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Julilla Sempronia Magna"
<curatrix@v...> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"
> <cordus@s...> wrote:
> > A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
> > greetings.
>
> I too would be very pleased to read your notes on Latin forms of
> address, which would certainly help keep ME in line (eheu! Is there
a
> Latin Miss Manners out there??)
>
> gratias multas,
>
> Julilla Sempronia Magna
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11289 From: TiAnO Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Latin Forms of Address
I'd love to join the list!!

Vale, TiAnO


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Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11290 From: Numerius Cassius Niger Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Latin Forms of Address
Salve!

Does it include non-verbal forms of address, or is it just
linguistically based? It would be interesting to know the Roman
equivalent of the "middle finger"....the mano fico, maybe?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11291 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Drittmittelprojekt Kalkriese
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Drittmittelprojekt Kalkriese":

http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/uni/afa/projekte/kalkriese/kalkriese.html

This site reports on three archaeological projects of the Institut für
Ur- und Frühgeschichte und Archäologie des Mittelalters, Universität
Tübingen (Institute for Pre- and Early History and Medieval
Archaeology) relating to the site of Quintilius Varus' catastrophic
defeat at Kalkriese. The site is in German, but can also be viewed
via Altavista's Babelfish machine translation facility (with the usual
caveats about machine translation) at
http://babelfish.altavista.com/translate.dyn.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11292 From: sa-mann Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re:[Nova-Roma] Re: Latin Forms of Address
And me!

Gallus Solaris Alexander
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11293 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Latin Forms of Address
Salve Amice!

It seems as if there are a lot of interested citizens. Why don't
publish your notes on this list? We need more this kind of subjects.
;-)

>A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
>greetings.
>
>I've just finished reading and taking notes from (it's
>a library book, you see) 'Latin Forms of Address' by
>Eleanor Dickey (Oxford University Press, 2002).
>
>It's a fairly comprehensive book on how Romans
>addressed one another in different situations and
>different relationships. The methods by which we
>address one another here on the main list are quite
>varied, and some more historical than others, so I
>thought some of you might be interested to know how it
>was done in the old days.
>
>If anyone is interested, please contact me directly
>and I'll type up my notes for you.
>
>Cordus

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11294 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Results of Senate Vote
Tribunus Plebis Diana Moravia Aventina Quiritibus SPD

Senate Voting Results published on June 14 2756.

The Senate has finished its latest session and the votes have been tallied
as below.

Formal debate ended at June 10th, 12:01 Roman time) and voting began
immediately after. Voting ended at June 12th, 12:01 Roman time. Results
were officially published by the presiding magistrate Titus Labienus
Fortunatus on the Senate list June 14 2756.

[Some procedural discussions in the Senate took place as to whether a
Tribune could be the presiding magistrate in the Senate as the Tribunes are
constitutionally empowered to call the
Senate to order and as historical precedents show that Tribunes sometimes -
if rarely - did preside over Senate meetings. Some Senators strongly
objected to this on the basis of the current Senatus Consultum on Senate
procedures and out of fear for Senate dignitas (LSAO). It was decided - as a
compromise - that the fasces bearing Consul for the month Titus Labienus
Fortunatus would be presiding but Tribune Lucius Pompeius Octavianus would
present the item for a vote (ius referendi). This is the first time in Nova
Roma that a Tribunus Plebis had the honor of calling a Senate session and
defining the agenda. A proposal for a new Senatus Consultum about Senate
procedure will be drafted by Consul Titus Labienus Fortunatus.]

The following 19 Senators cast votes in time. They are referred to below by
their initials, and are listed in alphabetical order by nomen:

Marcus Arminius Maior (MAM)
Marcus Cassius Julianus (MCJ)
Patricia Cassia (PC)
Lucius Cornelius Sulla (LCS)
Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus (LEC)
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus (CFQ)
Quintus Fabius Maximus (QFM)
Caius Flavius Diocletianus (CFD) proxy vote
Antonius Gryllus Graecus (AGG) proxy vote
Alexander Iulius Caesar Probus Macedonicus (AICPM)
Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus (DIPI)
Titus Labienus Fortunatus (TLF)
Gaius Marius Merullus (CMM)
Marcus Octavius Germanicus (MOG)
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus (LPO)
Gnaeus Salix Astur (GSA)
Lucius Sergius Australicus Obstinatus (LSAO)
Lucius Sicinius Drusus (LSD)
Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato (ATMC)

The following Senator did not cast a vote Marcus Minucius Audens (MMA).

The necessary majority for a Senatus consultum was therefore 11 votes in
favor.

"UTI ROGAS" indicates a vote in favor of an item, "ANTIQUO" or "NEGAT" is a
vote against, and "ABSTINEO" is an open abstention. Square Brackets [ ]
indicate explanations by the reporting Tribune.

The item for consideration was as follows:

Appointment of a fifth Tribune [19 passed in favor - 0 opposing]

"After I have been officially given floor by honorable consul T. Labienus
Fortunatus, I do hereby ask for a Senatus consultum regarding the
appointment of the fifth Tribune. After the failure of five runoff
elections, I ask that the Senate grant the Tribunes the right to co-opt G.
Popilius Laenas as the fifth tribune, since he has the relative majority at
the last runoff elections, thus respecting the plebeians' will."

[This item was presented to the Senate by Tribune Lucius Pompeius
Octavianus. According to the Nova Roma constitution five Tribunes have to be
elected by the Comitia Plebis Tributa for a term serving one year. A total
of six lawful elections yielded no result for the fifth Tribune
position in 2756 and little more than six months remain of the current term.
The Lex Salicia de suffragiis in comitia plebis tributa is quite clear in
that it declares that multiple runoff
elections are a "serious waste of time and effort" and should be avoided.
The Constitution and the Lex Grylla provide for an extraordinary power of
the Senate to appoint magistrates if positions are vacant. In the case of
the Tribuni Plebis in historical times co-optation was used as a means to
fill vacant Tribune positions if the main election did not yield a necessary
majority. The Tribunes therefore asked the Senate to delegate its (in Roman
Republican terms) unhistorical appointing authority to the Tribunes to
enable them to stay in line with both historical precedents and the spirit
of Nova Roman law.]

The votes were cast as follows:

MAM UTI ROGAS
MCJ UTI ROGAS
PC UTI ROGAS
LCS UTI ROGAS
LECA UTI ROGAS I'm pleased to have the opportunity to vote for my friend
Laenas. I'm sure he will carry out the duties of Tribune in the same
dignified manner in which he worked as Quaestor last year when he carried
out the tax collection, very professionally
CFQ UTI ROGAS
QFM UTI ROGAS
CFD UTI ROGAS (proxy vote)
AGG UTI ROGAS (proxy vote)
AICPM UTI ROGAS Frankly to say I do not feel comfortable that the Senate is
voting on something which is the pure right of other. I think nobody /even
The Senate and other Tribunes / have the right to substitute the will of the
Plebs nevertheless the legal background of such procedure could be found. On
the other hand I am sure C Popillius Laenas will do his job as a Tribune in
a
very good way, so why to create needless obstructions?
DIPI UTI ROGAS
TLF UTI ROGAS
CMM UTI ROGAS I vote to allow it.
MOG UTI ROGAS
LPO UTI ROGAS
GSA UTI ROGAS
LSAO UTI ROGAS
LSD UTI ROGAS
ATMC UTI ROGAS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11295 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Ex officio- Co-opt of Gaius Popillius Laenas as the fifth Tribune o
Ex officio Tribuni Plebis Diana Moravia Aventina, Marcus Marcius Rex, Lucius
Pompeius Octavianus et Lucius Didius Sceptius Geminus:

Following the Senatus consultum passed on June 14 2756, the elected Tribunes
of Nova Roma hereby co-opt Gaius Popillius Laenas, winner of the relative
majority in the final run-off election of 2756, to fill the vacant fifth
Tribune position with all its rights and obligations.

The Curator Araneum is hereby directed to publish this decision under the
election results section of the Tabularium.

The Tribunes congratulate & welcome Gaius Popillius Laenas as a Tribune of
Nova Roma and thank the Consules and Senators of Nova Roma for their
cooperation in this matter!

Diana Moravia Aventina
Marcus Marcius Rex
Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
Lucius Didius Sceptius Geminus
Tribuni Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11296 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Mosaics and The Roman Summer Camp
Salve

Does anyone know of a arts and craft type of project that is available commercially that allows kids to try making a Mosaic project of some kind. Arts and crafts are a big part of summer camp and I would like to add this program to the Roman summer camp but I want it to be Roman, any other ideas would also be a help.


Vale


Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11297 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Edictum Praetoricium 2756-IX: Caius Cornelius Varus appointed Legat
Ex Officio Praetoris America Boreoccidentalis

Edictum Praetoricium 2756-IX appointing Caius Cornelius Varus Legatus of
Regio I
1.. With the relocation of Lucius Mauricius Procopius to another area in
Provincia America Boreoccidentalis, and in recognition of the need for a
local contact in Regio I, Caius Cornelius Varus is hereby appointed Legatus
for Regio I - Vasintonia Boreoccidentalis.
2.. This edictum becomes effective immediately.
Given under my hand ante diem XVI Kal. Qvintiles MMDCCLVI A.U.C. in the
consulship of Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus.

Ex Officio
Julilla Sempronia Magna
Praetrix America Boreoccidentalis


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11298 From: Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Salve et felicitatus
Salutations Citizens of Nova Roma.
I am new to the Repuplic here at Nova Roma and am still getting used
to my way around.
I just wanted to introduce myself and say what a pleasure it is to be
here and help promote the Ideals we all stand for.
Thank you.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11299 From: Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Mosaics and The Roman Summer Camp
Salve Tiberius,
I am not familiar with mosaics but a friend and I recently hatched
butterflies for a science and craft day care experiment.
You get all the tools necessary to groe catapillars from egg to
larvae, watche them spin cacoons and hatch into butterflies.
The children rerally enjoyed the whole project.
I hope this helps.
Vale
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11300 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Salve et felicitatus
Salve Marce,

The list does not seem to be busy over the last several days but I
can assure you that it gets very lively off and on. I wish you a
hearty welcome to Nova Roma and please don't hesitate to ask any
questions. Personally each individual may not always have all the
answers but collectively we do. Enjoy and have a great time here.
Please be sure to visit the main website of NR where thwere is much
to see.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Nova Roman Citizen



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius"
<mballetta@h...> wrote:
> Salutations Citizens of Nova Roma.
> I am new to the Repuplic here at Nova Roma and am still getting
used
> to my way around.
> I just wanted to introduce myself and say what a pleasure it is to
be
> here and help promote the Ideals we all stand for.
> Thank you.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11301 From: kerunos Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Latin Forms of Address
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Numerius Cassius Niger"
<menippus@a...> wrote:
> Salve!
>
> Does it include non-verbal forms of address, or is it just
> linguistically based? It would be interesting to know the Roman
> equivalent of the "middle finger"....the mano fico, maybe?

Salve

middle finger? I favour digitus impudicus ;) Though I seem to recall
reading somewhere that the Romans also knew the gesture as 'digitus
infamis'...

Lucius Lucillus Catiline
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11302 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Ex officio- Co-opt of Gaius Popillius Laenas as the fifth Tribu
Salvete Quirites,

I am very pleased to assume the responsibilities of Tribune of the
Plebs.

My thanks to all who supported me in the election and my
appreciation and respect to my opponents, especially the noble Gaius
Modius Athanasius.

I shall endevour to do my best in this office.

Valete,
Gaius Popillius Laenas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11303 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Trinue Oath of Office
Gaius Popillius Laenas Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit,

I, Gaius Popillius Laenas (John Keith Sterne) do hereby solemnly
swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the
best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Popillius Laenas (John Keith
Sterne) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private
life.

I, Gaius Popillius Laenas (John Keith Sterne) swear to uphold and
defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and
swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the
State Religion.

I, Gaius Popillius Laenas (John Keith Sterne) swear to protect and
defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gaius Popillius Laenas (John Keith Sterne) further swear to
fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of
Tribunus Plebis to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Tribunus Plebis and all the rights,
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Gaius Popillius Laenas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11304 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Latin Forms of Address
A. Apollonius Cordus to Consul & Senator Caeso Fabius
Quintilianus and all those who expressed an interest,
greetings.

> It seems as if there are a lot of interested
> citizens. Why don't publish your notes on this list?

It does indeed! It will take me a while to type the
notes up, but I'll do it as quickly as I can. :)

In the mean time, I should warn people that the book
doesn't really discuss greetings ('salve', 'vale'
&c.), it's more about what you call people and when.
But still useful, I hope.

Cordus

=====
www.collapsibletheatre.co.uk

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11305 From: Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Salve et felicitatus
Thanks for the welcome.
I learning my around better each day.
I've been navigating the main site, it's amorphious but I'm enjoying
the challenge.
Be well.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> Salve Marce,
>
> The list does not seem to be busy over the last several days but I
> can assure you that it gets very lively off and on. I wish you a
> hearty welcome to Nova Roma and please don't hesitate to ask any
> questions. Personally each individual may not always have all the
> answers but collectively we do. Enjoy and have a great time here.
> Please be sure to visit the main website of NR where thwere is much
> to see.
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
> Nova Roman Citizen
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius"
> <mballetta@h...> wrote:
> > Salutations Citizens of Nova Roma.
> > I am new to the Repuplic here at Nova Roma and am still getting
> used
> > to my way around.
> > I just wanted to introduce myself and say what a pleasure it is
to
> be
> > here and help promote the Ideals we all stand for.
> > Thank you.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11306 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: the fifth Tribune of Nova Roma
Salve Tribune!

(snip)
<and my appreciation and respect to my opponents, especially the noble Gaius
<Modius Athanasius.

I second that! G Modius was a great candidate during a very difficult and
loooong election process.

Congratulations again and looking forward to working with you.

Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11307 From: Manius Constantinus Serapio Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Mosaics and The Roman Summer Camp
AVE TIBERI GALERI PAVLINE

Try this: www.mosaico.ravenna.it
This is the Centro Internazionale Studi Insegnamento Mosaico (CISIM),
i.e. International Mosaic Studying and Learning Center of Ravenna
(Italy), the most important mosaic school in the world.
They also have courses on ancient Roman mosaics.

Hope this helps. :-)

BENE VALE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Qvaestor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11308 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Legate Positions in AMS Province
Salvete Omes,

I am STILL seeking Citizen's living in the Province to volunteer for
the two open positions of Legate Major. The positions are in Regio
Silvestris(IA, MN, ND, and SD) and Regio Montanus(WY and MT).
If you are interested e-mail privately and tell me what you think you
do the help the Province and Nova Roma.

Valete,


Sextus Cornelius Cotta

Propraetor
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
Nova Roma
AIM: Walhalla47
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11309 From: Sp. Postumius Tubertus Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Invalid Edicta
Sp. Postumius Senatui Populoque Romano S.P.D.

Salvete,

For those who are not already aware, in accordance with the Lex Arminia de Ratione Edictibus, the following edicta, issued before the Kalends of January, 2756, are valid, as they have been renewed by our current magistrates:

Censoral Edicta of September 26 MMDCCLV de Libertate Gentilium, and of March 04 MMDCCLIV - renewed by Censor M. Octavius - as well as those edicta ratified by the Senate having been issued by Dictator Fl. Vedius.

All other edicta are invalid, as the four nundinae (25 days) specified in the Lex Arminia have passed. Therefore, these edicta will need to, if they are to be reinstated, re-issued by means of edicta (of course, if I'm wrong, I have no doubt someone will inform me of such).

I bring this up, particularly, because some edicta which, in my opinion, made things much smoother in Nova Roma have gone without reinstatement (specifically, Praetorian Edict concerning action due to an absent Paterfamilias, Aedilian Edicts regarding Fair Business Practices, Law Enforcement and Prosecution, and Investigation of Charges & Complaints, and others). I strongly ask all magistrates to review the edicta listed in the Tabularium, and to re-issue those edicts they find worthy of such.

Valete,

Sp. Postumius L.f. A.n. Tubertus
Impubes Novae Romae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11310 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Ex officio- Co-opt of Gaius Popillius Laenas as the fifth Tribu
Diana Moravia Aventina wrote:
> The Curator Araneum is hereby
> directed to publish this decision
> under the election results section
> of the Tabularium.


Salvete, Tribuni Plebis.

Of course I will get this done, as soon as possible. As per my mandate
by the voters. I thank you kindly for your polite reminder, even though
it wasn't quite worded as one.

Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11311 From: jlasalle Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Legate Positions in AMS Province
How goes the province?

LM GB Agricola

-----Original Message-----
From: Charlie Collins [mailto:cotta@...]
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 4:54 PM
To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Legate Positions in AMS Province


Salvete Omes,

I am STILL seeking Citizen's living in the Province to volunteer for
the two open positions of Legate Major. The positions are in Regio
Silvestris(IA, MN, ND, and SD) and Regio Montanus(WY and MT).
If you are interested e-mail privately and tell me what you think you
do the help the Province and Nova Roma.

Valete,


Sextus Cornelius Cotta

Propraetor
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
Nova Roma
AIM: Walhalla47


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11312 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Salve et felicitatus
Salve Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius and Welcome to Nova Rome I hope you enjoy you time with us.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
----- Original Message -----
From: Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 12:18 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Salve et felicitatus


Salutations Citizens of Nova Roma.
I am new to the Repuplic here at Nova Roma and am still getting used
to my way around.
I just wanted to introduce myself and say what a pleasure it is to be
here and help promote the Ideals we all stand for.
Thank you.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11313 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Mosaics and The Roman Summer Camp
Salve ( again) Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius


Sounds cool! can you put together a list of what we would need and "How TO"


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus






----- Original Message -----
From: Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 12:23 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Mosaics and The Roman Summer Camp


Salve Tiberius,
I am not familiar with mosaics but a friend and I recently hatched
butterflies for a science and craft day care experiment.
You get all the tools necessary to groe catapillars from egg to
larvae, watche them spin cacoons and hatch into butterflies.
The children rerally enjoyed the whole project.
I hope this helps.
Vale



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11314 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Mosaics and The Roman Summer Camp
Salve and thanks

Tiberius
----- Original Message -----
From: Manius Constantinus Serapio
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 4:57 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Mosaics and The Roman Summer Camp


AVE TIBERI GALERI PAVLINE

Try this: www.mosaico.ravenna.it
This is the Centro Internazionale Studi Insegnamento Mosaico (CISIM),
i.e. International Mosaic Studying and Learning Center of Ravenna
(Italy), the most important mosaic school in the world.
They also have courses on ancient Roman mosaics.

Hope this helps. :-)

BENE VALE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Qvaestor




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11315 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Congratulation to Gaius Popillius Laenas
Salve,

Just want to extend my personal congratulations to Gaius Popillius
Laenas on his co-option as the fifth Tribune. Though couldn't we
have a mock run-off election this month just for old time's sake?
<EVIL GRIN>

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11316 From: Sp. Postumius Tubertus Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Invalid Edicta - II
Salvete Omnes,

Pursuant to my last posting, I have updated the 'Magisterial Edicta' page of the Tabularium to list those edicta which are still active, those which are invalid, and those which have been vetoed or superceeded. They are marked as such in the far-right column.

Valete,

Sp. Postumius Tubertus
Impubes Novae Romae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11317 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Legate Positions in AMS Province
Salve,
I have pretty much finished the Provincial Census(still a few cives
the hear from)it's about 90% done. Unfortunately, only 28 out of
59 Citizens have been verified as still interested in NR. And of the
28 only 5 have shown any activity on the Main List. Oh well, I will
keep trying. The only thing I haven't tried is the Phone.

> How goes the province?
>
> LM GB Agricola


Sextus Cornelius Cotta

Propraetor
America Medioccidentalis Superior Province
Nova Roma
AIM: Walhalla47
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11318 From: rexmarciusnr Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Ex officio- Co-opt of Gaius Popillius Laenas as the fifth Tribu
>
> Salvete, Tribuni Plebis.
>
> Of course I will get this done, as soon as possible. As per my
mandate
> by the voters. I thank you kindly for your polite reminder, even
though
> it wasn't quite worded as one.
>
> Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.

Salve Curator Araneum!

The Tribunes certainly meant no disrespect to you by giving you
their "direction" on the matter. Consider it as our "input" in line
with the Lex Vedia de Vigintisexviri.

Co-optation is a novel instrument (hence a "reminder would not do)
and as it could just as easily be categorized as something akin to an
edictum (which it is not) we thought it best to indicate to you under
which section it should be published on the web-site.

I would also like to take the opportunity to congratulate and welcome
Gaius Popillius Laenas as the fifth Tribune of Nova Roma for 2756. I
hope he will not take it as an insult if I say that I hope we can -
with his help - achieve an election reform within the year that will
make another appointment such as his unnecessary in the future!

Ave et Vale
Marcus Marcius Rex
Tribune of the Plebs
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11319 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Mosaics and The Roman Summer Camp
Salve, Tiberi Galeri

Try going to www.google.com and typing in 'mosaic kits'; you should get quite
a few websites worth checking out.

Vale,

G. Lanius Falco


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11320 From: MarcusAudens@webtv.net Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Roman Self
Sweet Susan;

I can perhaps help you with this problem. In the Ludi Maximus Gladitori
we are looking for another female gladiator.

In the Ludi, one finds their "Roman Self" in a hurry, trying avoid your
opponent's sword point!!!!!

Marcus Mnucius Audens
Part - Owner and Ludi Spokesman for the Emperor Domitianus

A wet sheet and a flowing sea, and a wind follows fast, and fills the
white and rustling sail, and bends the gallant mast; and bends the
gallant mast my boys while like the eagle free, our good ship starts and
flies and leaves old England on our lee------Fair Winds and following
Seas!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11321 From: Paula Drennan Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: I have a question
Salve,
I have a question about our personal information. When I joined Nova Roma, the address and phone number that I gave were those I shared with my now ex husband, who I think has actually left Nova Roma, or at least has chaned his name. I need to know who do I send my new information to? I think I changed it up at some point in 2000 or 2001 when I became a member of gens Fabia. For most of the past 2 years, I've not had internet access except through the library. I recently signed up for road runner internet service. IT's great. and now I am trying to update informtion that has been out dated by my moves. Thanks for any help
Claudia Fabia Calpurnia

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11322 From: Sp. Postumius Tubertus Date: 2003-06-16
Subject: Re: Ex officio- Co-opt of Gaius Popillius Laenas as the fifth Tribu
Salve Tribune Marce Marci,

"Co-optation is a novel instrument (hence a "reminder would not do)
and as it could just as easily be categorized as something akin to an
edictum (which it is not) we thought it best to indicate to you under
which section it should be published on the web-site."

I can't comment on how the Curator felt about it, but whe I was putting the decision into the Tabularium, I ALMOST put it in with the edicts. I guess this shows how much I read mail before responding to it, or acting upon it. <g>

Vale,

Sp. Postumius Tubertus
Impubes Novae Romae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11323 From: Sp. Postumius Tubertus Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: I have a question
Salve Claudia Fabia,

This is easy. Just mail the Censores (censors @ novaroma . org (remove the spaces)), and inform them of the change. Give them the old information (I only suggest this for verification), and the new information with which to replace, and I should say all would be well.

Vale,

Sp. Postumius Tubertus
Impubes Novae Romae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11324 From: G¥IVLIVS¥SCAVRVS Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Provincial Roman Archaeology
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to the Univ. of Ghent's Research Unit on
Provincial-Roman Archaeology:

http://allserv.rug.ac.be/~hthoen/rugra.html

The site describes the unit's extensive projects investigating
Romano-Gallic sites in Belgium and northern France and provides a
bibliography of publications arising from the excavations, including
Gallo-Roman settlement in western Flanders, the Meetjesland Survey
project, Roman roads and land organisation in Northwestern Gaul, Roman
Jewellery in Belgium, and Roman Amphorae in Northwestern Gaul.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11325 From: plubiusclaudio Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: A new citizen
Salvete,
I am Publius Claudius Pulcher a new citizen in Nova Roma. I'm
looking for someone able to teach to me something about this
fascinating world. If someone is available, he can contact on my
private e-mail address.

Valete,
Plubius Claudius Pulcher
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11326 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Ex officio- Co-opt of Gaius Popillius Laenas as the fifth Tribu
Salve Titus Octavius,

Me:The Curator Araneum is hereby directed to publish this decision under the
<election results section of the Tabularium.

TOP<I thank you kindly for your polite reminder, even
<though it wasn't quite worded as one.

Hey now, that sentence was written in "legalize" which is a difficult to
understand and rather dull "dialect" of American English :-) No disrespect
was even slightly intended by any Tribune!! So here is the translation in
the Common Speech : Could our wonderful and multi-talented Cuarator Araneum
Titus Octavius Pius please update the website when he has a spare moment?

Thnaks in advance & Vale!
Diana Moravia Aventina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11327 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Provincial Roman Archaeology
Salve G. Iulius Scaurus,

<Here's a link to the Univ. of Ghent's Research Unit on
<Provincial-Roman Archaeology:
<http://allserv.rug.ac.be/~hthoen/rugra.html

Thanks for the link. I expected it to be in Dutch and was pleasantly
surprised to find it in English!

Vale,
Diana Moravia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11328 From: gaius_minervinus_valerian Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Gens Application
Salve

I have recently applied for citizenship at Nova Roma, but I need to
contact the Materfamilias of the Gens Minervinus.

If there are any of this noble Gens that can help me, I'd be most
grateful.

Vale

Gauis (Minervinus) Valerian.

ps Julilla Sempronia Magna, thank you for your kind words regarding
my website, it is much appreciated.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11329 From: gaius_minervinus_valerian Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Gens Application
Salve

I have recently applied for citizenship at Nova Roma, but I need to
contact the Materfamilias of the Gens Minervinus.

If there are any of this noble Gens that can help me, I'd be most
grateful.

Vale

Gauis (Minervinus) Valerian.

ps Julilla Sempronia Magna, thank you for your kind words regarding
my website, it is much appreciated.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11330 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Gens Application
Salve G Minervinus,

<I have recently applied for citizenship at Nova Roma, but I need to
contact the Materfamilias of the Gens Minervinus.

<If there are any of this noble Gens that can help me, I'd be most
<grateful.

The Materfamilias, Aelia Minervina is the only citizen of this Gens.
Unfortunately I don't know who this lady is. It is extremely possible that
she is an inactive citizen. Anyone else can jump in and correct me if I am
wrong.

Since you aren't listed in the Album Gentium as a citizen of Gens
Minervinae, I'm assuming that you need to contact her because she needs to
approve your citizenship. An active paterfamilias would approve (and rarely
reject you) within a week or two so of your application. Usually you just
exchange a few emails with the Paterfamilias in order to see that you would
fit in with his Gens. For example, in Gens Moravia I like to have our
citizens be pagan-friendly. I wouldn't want any of my gensmates to feel that
his/her Materfamilias should be burned at the stake :-p Other than that
little detail, anyone is welcomed regardless of race, religion, political
opinion or sexual preference.

At the risk of having everyone scream at me, if you can't get in contact
with her *soon*, then I suggest that you join apply to another gens in Nova
Britannia. Off the top of my head, the following 4 gentes have a very active
paterfamilias:
Gens Minucia, Gens Cassia, Gens Iunia & Gens Maria

You can contact them by going to http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/gentes,
looking for their Gens name which is listed in alphabetical order, and then
clicking the link listed under 'Paterfamilias/Materfamilias'

Vale and good luck!
Diana Moravia
Tribunus Plebis


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11331 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Ex officio- Co-opt of Gaius Popillius Laenas as the fifth Tribu
>>I would also like to take the opportunity to congratulate and
welcome Gaius Popillius Laenas as the fifth Tribune of Nova Roma for
2756. I hope he will not take it as an insult if I say that I hope
we can - with his help - achieve an election reform within the year
that will make another appointment such as his unnecessary in the
future!

Salve Marce Marci,

Thank you for the welcome, and of course, I do not take offense.
The candidates and the cives of the Republic (not to mention our
Rogatores ;-)) should never have to suffer an endless series of run
offs again. Nor should we have to go through non-historical,
potentially divisive (although necessary) procedures to fill our
magistracies.

Election reform should be our number 1 priority for the remainder of
this year.

Thanks again,
Gaius Popillius Laenas
Tribunus Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11332 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Ex officio- Co-opt of Gaius Popillius Laenas as the fifth Tribu
A. Apollonius Cordus to Tribune Diana Moravia Aventina
and all citizens and peregrines, greetings.

> Hey now, that sentence was written in "legalize"
> which is a difficult to understand and rather
> dull "dialect" of American English :-)

On a side note, I'm not altogether ashamed to say that
much American legal language is strongly derived from
British legal language, though perhaps without some of
the more archaic phrases and Latinisms.

In fact I (as a Briton) am moderately proud to say
this, but I have a strange fondness for legal language
- it may not be very friendly, but it has a certain
quiet dignity and uses lovely long sentences with lots
of sub-clauses, as I like to do.

The Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948?) has
a nice balance between the gravity of 'legalese' and
the comprehensibility of simple language.

Okay, enough from me... :)

Cordus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11333 From: Bill Gawne Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Gens Application
gaius_minervinus_valerian wrote:

> I have recently applied for citizenship at Nova Roma, but I need to
> contact the Materfamilias of the Gens Minervinus.
>
> If there are any of this noble Gens that can help me, I'd be most
> grateful.

Tribuna Diana Movavia has already mentioned some of the possible
problems. However, if you'll go to this web page:

http://novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=179

You can use the "send mail" button to send e-mail to the last known
address for Aelia Minervina. You may also want to ask the propraetor
of Nova Britannia (Gaius Minucius Hadrianus, hadrianus @ 3commando . org)
if he's had any recent contact with her.

Beyond that, I must endorse Diana's recommendation that you consider
membership in other gentes should contact with Aelia Minervina prove
impossible.

In any case, welcome to Nova Roma.

-- Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11334 From: asseri@aol.com Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Mosaics and The Roman Summer Camp
In a message dated 6/16/03 8:36:44 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com writes:


> Salve
>
> Does anyone know of an arts and craft type of project that is available
> commercially that allows kids to try making a Mosaic project of some kind. Arts
> and crafts are a big part of summer camp and I would like to add this program
> to the Roman summer camp but I want it to be Roman, any other ideas would
> also be a help.
>
>
> Vale
>
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>

Salve,
Kits are incredibly expensive. I would like to be of help. I have a lot of
craft book with historical bends to them. Another unexpected source is the
Chick Fill-a restaurant kids meals. They have been running here a series of
historical activity/crafts from the past books.

The have covered the Vikings, the Aztec, the Egyptians and the Greeks. Every
page has an adaptable projects and some are great just as they are.
If you do not have a chick fill-a in you part of the world I will help you
get what you need.

I also will recommend a book I have called "the encyclopedia of the Ancient
World "
How people livid in the stone age, ancient Egypt, ancient Greece and the
Roman empire. ISBN 0-7607-3639-1

Every section has crafts and projects. I bought my mine at Barnes and Noble.
there use to be other web sites as well on the web . I am not sure if my
links are still active. I will send thoses as soon as I recheck them .

Please any citizens who are dealing or considers similar projects let me know
off the list and I will assist you as best I can.



Prima Fabia Drusila
Legatus Regionis Occidentalis
(Indiana ,Illinois, Kentucky)


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11335 From: Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Mosaics and The Roman Summer Camp
And tou you as well.
Yes, it is cool. There are a few different kinds from the Painted
Lady to Monarch Butterfly Kits available. They send you everything
you need in the kit. The Painted Lady is the easiest to do and they
are small.
I'm working on the Monarch now; a bit larger and requires the
Milkweed plant for food so more involved.

Here is a ink to access the Painted Lady Kit we used:
http://www.butterfly-gifts.com/section_6.html

Kits for Butterfly Lesson Plans and Science Projects for Kids
Butterfly Pavilion Kit
Includes 2-foot tall x 14-inch reusable Butterfly Pavilion habitat
See-through mesh with zippered entry allows easy access for care and
feeding
Comes with a FREE certificate that must be mailed in to receive your
10 Painted Lady butterfly larvae with special food
6 butterflies are guaranteed to be perfect specimens
Hang it from a string or set it on a table-top
Our best selling butterfly kit!
$32.00

For additional links - search Live butterfly kits

Vale and have a great time with the kids.






--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:
> Salve ( again) Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius
>
>
> Sounds cool! can you put together a list of what we would need
and "How TO"
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 12:23 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Mosaics and The Roman Summer Camp
>
>
> Salve Tiberius,
> I am not familiar with mosaics but a friend and I recently
hatched
> butterflies for a science and craft day care experiment.
> You get all the tools necessary to groe catapillars from egg to
> larvae, watche them spin cacoons and hatch into butterflies.
> The children rerally enjoyed the whole project.
> I hope this helps.
> Vale
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11336 From: asseri@aol.com Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Indiana - Illinois and Kentucky
Salvette!
I am looking for all Nova Roma Members in the regions I am to tend . I would
like to see us atleast be aware of who were and where we all live . . If
you would like to see us get better organised please take the time to contact
me .

May the gods bless your steps this day and all the days to come

Prima Fabia Drusila
Legatus Regionis Occidentalis
(Indiana ,Illinois, Kentucky)
asseri@...


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11337 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Salve et felicitatus
F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to M. Ambrosius Belisarius. Salvete.

I add my hand to that of my cousin Tiberius Galerius in welcoming you to the Republic of Nova Roma. May the gods grant you good fortune, good health, and good friends among our populace. Valete.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11338 From: Crystal . Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: (no subject)
Salvete,

I will be moving Friday and will have to access the internet through the
local public library for a while. I am currently on digest, but will scan
as often as I can. All email to the priestess of Juno should be sent to my
official address. Thank you.

Valete,
Crys/Atia

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11339 From: Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Salve et felicitatus
Hail to thee Galerius.
My thanks for the welcome.
It's a comfort to be among people of the same mind and values.



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a... wrote:
> F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to M. Ambrosius Belisarius. Salvete.
>
> I add my hand to that of my cousin Tiberius Galerius in welcoming
you to the Republic of Nova Roma. May the gods grant you good
fortune, good health, and good friends among our populace. Valete.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11340 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Photos from Roman Days
Salvete,

I uploaded photos of our citizens who were present at Roman Days to
http://www.gensmoravia.org/RomanDays.html

Valete,
Diana Moravia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11341 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Mosaics and The Roman Summer Camp
Salve and Thanks


Vale

Tiberius
----- Original Message -----
From: asseri@...
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:56 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] re:Mosaics and The Roman Summer Camp


In a message dated 6/16/03 8:36:44 PM US Eastern Standard Time,
Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com writes:


> Salve
>
> Does anyone know of an arts and craft type of project that is available
> commercially that allows kids to try making a Mosaic project of some kind. Arts
> and crafts are a big part of summer camp and I would like to add this program
> to the Roman summer camp but I want it to be Roman, any other ideas would
> also be a help.
>
>
> Vale
>
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>

Salve,
Kits are incredibly expensive. I would like to be of help. I have a lot of
craft book with historical bends to them. Another unexpected source is the
Chick Fill-a restaurant kids meals. They have been running here a series of
historical activity/crafts from the past books.

The have covered the Vikings, the Aztec, the Egyptians and the Greeks. Every
page has an adaptable projects and some are great just as they are.
If you do not have a chick fill-a in you part of the world I will help you
get what you need.

I also will recommend a book I have called "the encyclopedia of the Ancient
World "
How people livid in the stone age, ancient Egypt, ancient Greece and the
Roman empire. ISBN 0-7607-3639-1

Every section has crafts and projects. I bought my mine at Barnes and Noble.
there use to be other web sites as well on the web . I am not sure if my
links are still active. I will send thoses as soon as I recheck them .

Please any citizens who are dealing or considers similar projects let me know
off the list and I will assist you as best I can.



Prima Fabia Drusila
Legatus Regionis Occidentalis
(Indiana ,Illinois, Kentucky)


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11342 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Congratulations for Roman Days and welcome back!
Salve Senators, Tribuna et Quirites!

I have read all reports and looked at the photos from the Roman Days.
It seems to me as if this event has been a great success for Nova
Roma and the participants. I am convinced that such meetings are an
important part of the developement and growth of the Res Publica. I
hereby welcome all citizens back from this event and hope to see a
success of the same kind at the Nova Roman Rally in Bologna in August!
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11343 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Proposal for a Lex Fabia de Ratione Comitiorum Centuriatorum
Salvete Quirites!

I have decided to publish this proposal for a "Lex Fabia de Ratione
Comitiorum Centuriatorum" for a open discussion here on the main
list. The Res Publica have during the last year been forced to go
through repeated elections in the different Comitia. As Consul I may
propose new "rules" for the Comitia Centuriata and Comitia Populi
Tributa. If I get an OK from the Populus with this proposal I will
get my "Officina Iuris et Rei Politicae" to start working on a new
lex for the Comitia Populi Tributa too.

I have been informed that the principles of the above lex proposal
has been presented to the Comitia Plebis Tributa. This was done with
my consent and I can only hope that this proposal will inspire the
Plebs to find a solution to the re-occuring problem with re-elections
that they have had. Still as a Patrician I may only share my ideas
with the Populus as a whole and hope that others will find good ideas
in this proposal.

To get started I have gave my "Officina Iuris et Rei Politicae" the
task to write a proposal for a law in Comitia Centuriata. This
procedure has been rather complicated, I have had input both from the
"Consilium Accensorum Magnorum" and different individual citizens, at
last these points of view have been "melted" together in this
proposal. Now I expect the Populus to look into this proposal.

The aim with this proposal is to get a lex that will make it quite
improbable that we will have re-occuring re-elections over and over
again and yet form a fair and quite historical system. For those who
want to find the arguments for this system I refer them to the two
last parts of this text (the Handbook and the Arguments). I think
that the voting system outlined in this proposal is rather easy to
understand for the voters, as they just need to know that they can
vote "yes" to as manyamong the candidates as they want.

I hereby freely acknowledge the good work done before by Illustrus
Flavius Vedius Germanicus, Illustrus Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix,
Illustrus Marcus Cassius Julianus and Illustrus Marcus Octavius
Germanicus with leges for the Comitia Centuriata and openly admit
that this proposal as most legal proposals must be built on work done
by others before.

Still I have decided to let all old leges that deal with the Comitia
Centuriata be superseded by "Lex Fabia de Ratione Comitiorum
Centuriatorum". I did this although I had a alternate lex with just
corrections and changes to old leges. I found out that such a
"corrected" lex would be over-complicated as it would have to be read
together with other older leges. That is the reason that I choose to
use this version.
.
Here is the proposal with accompaning texts:

*********************

Lex Fabia de Ratione Comitiorum Centuriatorum

I. All previous laws relating to the Comitia Centuriata are hereby
rescinded as they apply to the election of magistrates and the voting
of leges by the Comitia Centuriata. This Lex Fabia de Ratione
Comitiorum
Centuriatorum is hereby enacted to define the procedures by which the
Comitia Centuriata shall conduct the
business of electing magistrates and voting on leges.

II. Calling the Comitia to Order.
Either a Consul or Praetor may, as described in the constitution,
call the Comitia to order, to hold a vote on a lex or leges, or to
hold an election. The magistrate who calls the Comitia to order shall
be referred to herein as the presiding magistrate.

A. This shall be done by making a public announcement announcing the
call in those public fora which shall have
been designated for such purpose, in which must be included:

1. The names of candidates for office and the office for which they
are running (when the Comitia is being called
for an election);
2. Date of Citizenship of each candidate.
3. The full text of any leges, which are being voted on (when the
Comitia is being called to legislate);
4. The dates and time when the members of the Comitia shall begin and
finish voting;
5. Any special instructions that pertain to the mechanics of the vote, if any.

B. The presiding magistrate shall have the responsibility for taking
all reasonable precautions to ensure that
candidates for a vote hold whatever qualifications are required by
law. The Censors shall assist in such efforts as to the best of their
ability.

III. Timing of the vote.

A. The edictum containing the call to vote must be issued at least
120 hours (5 days) prior to the start of the
vote. This period shall be known as the Contio, and shall be used for
formal discussion of the issues and/or
candidates before the People for vote.
1. In the event that, in an election for a magisterial office, there
are not sufficient candidates elected to fill all vacancies in that
office, the presiding magistrate may call for a follow-up election
among those same candidates who failed to obtain that office in the
previous election. For these follow-up elections, the 120-hour
(5-day) requirement for the length of the Contio (official discussion
period) shall be shortened to 24 hours.

B. During the Contio, the following conditions shall apply:

1. Those constitutionally empowered to do so may exercise their
powers of intercessio or nuntiatio.
a. Intercessio may be exercised against either the entire election or
vote, or against one or more individual items
on the ballot. If there are any items on the ballot that have not
been subjected to intercessio, voting on them
shall proceed normally. The removal of an item from the ballot due to
intercessio shall not prevent that item
from being placed upon the ballot for a different vote at a later time.
b. The exercise of nuntiatio shall extend the Contio, postponing the
start and end dates of the voting period by 24 hours, during which
time nuntiatio may again be exercised.
c. Should the exercise of nuntatio cause the voting period to move
such that it conflicts with calendarical restrictions as defined by
the Collegium Pontificum, the presiding magistrate may change or
extend the dates of the vote and/or contio at his discretion.

2. A member of the Collegium Augurum shall be invited by the
presiding magistrate to seek favorable auspices for the conduct of
the vote, subject to those rules and regulations the Collegium
Augurum shall set forth by
decreta. Should the presiding magistrate himself be a member of the
Collegium Augurum, he may take the auspices for the vote himself.

C. The period between the start and end of the voting must last no
less than 120 hours (5 days).

D. The ability to vote during the voting period may be impacted
and/or suspended due to calendrical issues as enacted by decreta of
the Collegium Pontificum.

E. The rogatores shall tally the vote and shall deliver the results
to the presiding magistrate within 48 hours of the close of the
voting period.

F. The presiding magistrate shall announce the results of the vote
within 24 hours of receiving the results from the rogatores, in at
least the same venues as the original announcement calling the vote
was published.

IV. Voting procedures.
A. The censors shall issue to each citizen a unique voter
identification code. This code shall be used to maintain
anonymity in the voting process, and to minimize the possibility of
vote fraud. In a timely fashion prior to the vote, the censors shall
make available to the rogatores a list of valid voter identification
codes and the centuries with which they are associated. The rogatores
shall not have access to the names of the citizens associated with
particular voter identification codes.

B. In consultation with the rogatores, the curator araneum shall make
available a cista; a secure web-based form to allow citizens to vote
directly through the official Nova Roma web site. This form shall
record the voter identification number and desired vote(s) of the
individual. The information thus collected will either be forwarded
to the rogatores as it is gathered, or at the end of the process, at
their discretion. Alternative methods of voting may be enacted by
other legislation as required.

C. In the case of a magisterial election, for each candidate, each
voter shall have the option to mark the candidate 'yes (vti rogas)'
or to leave the candidate unmarked. In the case of legislation, for
each proposed law, each voter shall have the option to vote 'yes (vti
rogas)' or 'no (antiqvo) Once cast, no vote may be altered, even with
the correct voter identification code. Should multiple votes be
registered with the same voter identification code, only the first
one recorded shall be used when tallying the vote.

V. Procedures for counting votes.
A. Votes shall be counted by centuries.

1. In the case of a magisterial election, the votes of each century
shall be calculated as follows. For each century, the candidates
shall be ordered by the number of 'yes' votes they receive from
voters in that century, the candidate who receives most 'yes' votes
(ties being decided by lot) being numbered 1, and so on in descending
order. If any candidates have no 'yes' votes from voters in that
century, those candidates shall not be listed.

2. In the case of a vote on a lex, each century shall vote in favor
of the lex if a majority of the votes received by members of the
century are in favor. Otherwise, the century shall be considered to
have voted against the proposed lex.

3. The rogatores may decide how decisions by lot shall be made in a
fair manner.

B.

1. In the case of a magisterial election, the results are calculated
as follows.
a. In the first round, the number 1 preferences of the centuries are
compared. If at this stage any candidate is the number 1 preference
of more than fifty per cent of the centuries (not including any
'void' centuries - centuries in which no 'yes' votes were cast), that
candidate is elected. If no candidate has a majority of
first-preference votes, then the candidate who is the number 1 choice
of fewest centuries (ties being decided by lot) is eliminated. The
election or elimination of a candidate ends the first round.
b. If there are still vacancies to be filled, there is a second round
in which each century which voted for the elected or eliminated
candidate as its first choice is given to its second choice
candidate. If any such century has no second choice, that century
becomes 'void'. As before, if any candidate now has a majority of the
centuries (not including any 'void' centuries), he or she is elected.
If not, the candidate with the fewest centuries is eliminated. This
concludes the second round.
c. If there are still vacancies to be filled, each century held by
the candidate who was elected or eliminated in the previous round is
given to its second choice candidate or, if that candidate has been
elected or eliminated, to its third choice candidate. Any century
having no candidate as its next choice becomes 'void'. Any candidate
who now has a majority of centuries (not including 'void' centuries)
is elected, and if no candidate has a majority then the candidate
with the fewest centuries is eliminated, ending the third round.
d. This procedure is repeated until all the vacancies are filled.
e. If at the end of any round the number of candidates is equal to
the number of vacancies and all the candidates
have the same number of centuries, the tie is decided by lot, but
rather than eliminate the loser, the winner is elected, and the round
ends.

2. In the case of a vote on a lex, a simple majority of the centuries
casting votes must vote in favor for the lex to be adopted.

3. In the case of a magisterial elections, a "majority" is defined as
"one half of the number of centuries (not including 'void' centuries)
plus one, fractions being rounded down".

4. In the case of a vote on a lex, a "simple majority" is hereby
defined as "one half of the number of centuries
casting votes, plus one, fractions being rounded down". A century in
which no voters cast 'yes' votes shall not be counted toward this
total.

C. Votes may be tallied by automated means should the rogatores
determine such is preferable to, and at least as accurate as, a
manual count.

D. Only the aggregate votes of the centuries shall be delivered to
the presiding magistrate; the votes of individual citizens shall be
secret.
---


2. HERE IS THE VOTER'S HANDBOOK:

--
Elections in the Comitia Centuriata: A Voter's Handbook

Stage One: Voting

As in the ancient Roman republic, voting in the Comitia Centuriata
(Centuriate Assembly) of Nova Roma is a two-stage process. The first
stage begins with the voter.

In the ancient republic, voters apparently had to write out the
initials of their favourite candidates on wax tablets. When voting on
laws, however, they simply marked the letter V (for vti rogas,
meaning 'let it be as you suggest', or 'yes') or the letter A (for
antiqvo, meaning 'I support the old state of affairs', or 'no').
These methods both come to much the same thing, of course.

To combine historical accuracy with convenience, therefore, our
system combines the two methods. Each voter is given a list of all
the candidates (so you don't have to remember how to spell their
names) and can mark 'yes' (vti rogas) next to each candidate they
support. This is much closer to the authentic Roman method of voting
than the one used in most modern countries, in which voters choose
one out of a selection of candidates. Interestingly, a very similar
method of voting has recently been proposed in various countries
under the name 'Approval Voting'.

You can vote 'yes' to as many candidates as you want. Probably the
best approach is to vote 'yes' only to those candidates you would
like to see elected. We encourage you to vote 'yes' to at least one
candidate, but this is not compulsory!

Once all the voters have voted, the rogatores get to work. First they
sort the votes into centuries, in order to calculate how each century
votes. Then for each century they write a numbered list of
candidates. The candidate who received most 'yes' votes from members
of the century goes in first place; the one who was next most popular
goes second; and so on, until all the candidates who received 'yes'
votes are in order.

Example 1:
Let's imagine there are 10 voters in century z, voting on three
candidates for Praetor, called A, B and C. They vote as follows:

A B C

Voter 1 Yes - -
Voter 2 - Yes -
Voter 3 Yes Yes Yes
Voter 4 - - Yes
Voter 5 Yes - -
Voter 6 - Yes Yes
Voter 7 - Yes Yes
Voter 8 - - Yes
Voter 9 Yes Yes Yes
Voter 10 - - Yes

TOTAL 4 5 7

Candidate C got 7 'yes' votes, B got 5, and A got 4. So the list would be:

1. C
2. B
3. A

Example 2:
Here's an example with four candidates, A, B, C and D.

A B C D

Voter 1 Yes Yes - -
Voter 2 - - - Yes
Voter 3 - Yes Yes -
Voter 4 Yes Yes - -
Voter 5 Yes - Yes -
Voter 6 - Yes - Yes
Voter 7 - Yes - -
Voter 8 Yes - Yes -
Voter 9 - - Yes Yes
Voter 10 Yes Yes - Yes

TOTAL 5 6 4 4

Here, A got 5, B got 6, and C and D got 4 each. In this case the tie
would be decided by lot. If D won the tie-break, the list would look
like this:

1. B
2. A
3. D
4. C

Any candidate who received no 'yes' votes in a century is not listed.
A century with an incomplete list will drop out at some stage during
Stage Two and become a 'void' century. Don't worry - if your century
becomes 'void', this has no adverse effect on your vote, which
remains just as valid as everyone else's/ Any century with no 'yes'
votes at all is of course 'void' straight away.

Example 3:
A B C D E

Voter 1 Yes - - Yes -
Voter 2 - Yes - - -
Voter 3 Yes - - Yes -
Voter 4 - - - Yes -
Voter 5 Yes Yes - - -
Voter 6 - - - - -
Voter 7 - Yes - Yes -
Voter 8 Yes - - - -
Voter 9 - - - Yes -
Voter 10 - - - Yes -

TOTAL 4 3 0 6 0

In this example, D has 6 'yes' votes, A has 4 and B has 3. Neither C
nor E have any, so they are not included in the list, which would go:

1. D
2. A
3. B

Stage Two: The Centuries

In this stage, the centuries vote in rounds. The method used for this
stage is adapted from a system known as Alternative Vote or
Preferential Voting. It is used in Australia and the Republic of
Ireland, and has been proposed for the U.K. several times. It is
generally agreed by analysts to be the fairest and most efficient
variation on 'first past the post' or 'plurality' voting. It ensures
that no candidate is ekected who is not supported by a majority of
voters (or in our case a majority of centuries), but it also avoids
the multiple run-off elections of other majority systems. It is
effectively the same as holding many elections one after another,
except that the hard work is done by the rogatores, not by the
voters. It must be admitted that it is still possible, under this
system, for an election to fail to fill all the vacancies, making
run-off elections necessary; but this could occur if virtually no one
voted!

The system is best understood by looking at examples. In all cases,
the first round begins the same way: the rogatores sort the centuries
according to the number 1 preference in their list.

Example 4:
Let's go back to the race between A, B and C to be elected Praetor.
If there were 20 centuries (g to z), their preferences might look
like this:

g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z

1st C A C B A C A C C B B C A C C B C A A C
2nd A B A C B B C B A C A A C B A C B C C B
3rd B C B A C A B A B A C B B A B A A B B A

In total, 10 centuries chose C as their first preference, 6 chose A,
and only 4 chose B. None of these has a majority (11 or more), so the
lowest candidate, B, is eliminated. That's round one.

Next, B's votes would be distributed between the other candidates. Of
the 4 centuries which voted for B as first choice, 3 (j, p and v)
gave their second preference to C, and 1 (q) preferred A, so C gets 3
extra votes and A gets 1. C now has 13 centuries and A has 7. C has a
majority, and is elected senior Praetor. That's the end of the second
round.

Finally, the 13 centuries which were voting for C are redistributed.
Of the 10 which put C as first choice, 5 (g, i, o, r, u) have A as
second choice, so these go to A. The other 5 (l, n, t, w, z) have B,
who has been eliminated, so they go to their third choice, who is,
unsurprisingly, A. And the 3 who originally voted for B and were then
given to C also all have A as their next choice, so they're given to
A. A now has 20 centuries - a comfortable majority! - and is
therefore elected junior Praetor.

First Second Third
round round round

A 6 7 20
(elected)
B 4 - -
(eliminated)
C 10 13 -
(elected)

Example 5:
Here are the centuries' preferences from the four-way election.

g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z

1st A A C B D C A D C B C C A B A D B B B B
2nd C D A C B B C C D C D B B C C B C A C A
3rd D C B D A A B A B A A A C A B A A C D D
4th B B D A C D D B A D B D D D D C D D A C

7 centuries prefer B, A and C have 5 each and D has 3. No one has a
majority, so D is eliminated and his or her votes redistributed. In
the second round, 2 of the centuries that voted for D (k, v) had B as
second choice, and 1 (n) had C, so B gets 2 extra votes and C gets 1.
B now has 9, C has 6 and A has 5. Again, no one has a majority, so A
is now eliminated and we move to round three. Of the centuries that
were voting for A, 3 (g, m, u) had C as their next choice, one (s)
had B and one (h) had D. Of course D has already been knocked out, so
the rogatores give that century's vote to its third choice, C. B now
has 10 and C has 10. Neither has a majority, so the tie is decided by
lot. However, since there are only two candidates left, neither is
eliminated: the winner of the decision by lot (B) is elected senior
Praetor. In the fourth round, all B's votes go to C, who is then
elected junior Praetor.

First Second Third Fourth
round round round round

A 5 5 - -
(eliminated)
B 7 9 10 -
(elected)
C 5 6 10 20
(elected)
D 3 - - -
(eliminated)

Example 6:
The final example. The preferences of the centuries look like this:

g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z

1st E D E D B B C D D D D C D D D E D E D
2nd C A D A E C A C E E C D A C E A A C A
3rd B C A E D E E E B C A E E E B D E D B
4th D B B C A D B A A B E B C B A B B A
5th A E C B C A D B C A B A B A C C C B

Note that centuries w and z are incomplete. In century z there were
two candidates with no 'yes' votes, as shown in Example 3. In century
W no 'yes' votes were cast, so the century is 'void'.

In the first round, D has 11 votes - a majority - and is therefore
elected senior Praetor. Note that because century w is 'void', the
minimum required for a majority is only 10 (half of 19 is 9 and a
half, plus one is 10 and a half, rounded down to 10). E has 4, C and
B have 2 each. In the second round, 5 of D's votes (h, j, s, x, z) go
to A, 3 (o, p, u) go to E, 3 (n, q, t) to C and none to B. This
leaves E with 7, C and A with 5 each and B with 2. No one has a
majority, and B is last, so B is eliminated. In the third round, one
of B's votes (z) goes to E, who now has 8. The other (l) goes to C,
who now has 6, leaving A with 5. Still no one has a majority, so A is
eliminated. In the fourth round, A's votes are distributed. One (h)
goes to C, and 3 (j, s, x) go to E. Century z's next choice, B, is
already out, and it has no further choices, so it now becomes 'void'.
This leaves E with 11 and C with 7. With two centuries 'void', the
minimum for a majority is still 10 (half of 18 is 9, plus one is 10),
so E is now elected junior Praetor.

First Second Third Fourth
round round round round

A 0 5 5 -
(eliminated)
B 2 2 - -
(eliminated)
C 2 5 6 7

D 11 - - -
(elected)
E 4 7 8 11
(elected)
Void 1 1 1 2

Conclusion:

Hopefully you now understand how to complete your ballot, how your
vote will contribute to the over-all vote of your century, and how
ultimately your vote will contribute to the end result of the
election. The examples have all dealt with elections in which there
are only two vacancies, but the process is exactly the same however
many there may be.

If you have any further questions, we advise you first to consult the
text of the lex Cornelia Octavia de Ratione Comitiorum Centuriatorum,
which sets out the rules of the system. If this does not answer your
questions, you should contact the rogatores.
---


3. THIS IS THE ARGUMENTS IN FAVOUR OF THE NEW SYSTEM:

---
--More Historical
Currently the method of voting, which requires voters to choose
between the available candidates, is different from the method the
Romans used. In elections they wrote out the names of all their
preferred candidates on a tablet; when voting on laws they marked 'V'
for 'vti rogas' ('let it be as you suggest') or 'A' for 'antiqvo' ('I
prefer things how they were before'). These two methods have much the
same result, and the method adopted in the proposed new system is a
combination of both. It is therefore much closer to historical voting
procedures.

--Fairer Voting
Many voters in past elections have been dissatisfied with their
inability to vote for as many candidates as there were vacancies to
be filled. This restriction is frustrating for voters, and means that
the results cannot accurately reflect each voter's range of
preferences. It was not possible to change this using the previous
method of calculating the results, because it would have resulted in
many more tied centuries. Using this new method, voters can vote for
as many candidates as they want without causing problems when the
votes are counted. The voting is therefore fairer, more satisfying
for voters and more sensitive to voters' preferences.

--Fairer Result-calculation
With the existing method of counting the centuries' votes, candidates
who don't gain a majority of centuries are not elected. This ensures
that all successful candidates are supported by a majority, but it
results in the frequent and endemic need for run-off elections. The
system before that, using the 'first-past-the-post' principle, was
more efficient but enabled a candidate to be elected without a
majority, and in some cases with very little support. The proposed
system is based on a system called Alternative Vote or Preferential
Voting, which is used in Australia and Ireland. It is widely agreed
by analysts to be the bst electoral system available for elections of
this kind. It is much fairer than first-past-the-post, because it
ensures that no candidate is elected without majority support, but
without sacrificing efficiency.

--Reduces Run-off Elections
The method used to calculate the results, combined with the new
method of casting votes on the ballot paper, means that there is very
unlikely to be any need for run-off elections. There are only two
ways an elections could fail to fill all the vacancies. One is if not
enough candidates are standing - there's nothing a voting-system can
do about this! If there are enough candidates, and as many candidates
as there are vacancies receive 'yes' votes, all the vacancies will be
filled. If there is one vacancy, it can only fail to be filled if no
one votes at all. So long as one person casts one 'yes' vote, the
election will be successful. If there are two vacancies, there would
need to be two 'yes' votes, at least one for each of two candidates -
they could both be cast by the same voter, or by two different ones,
but two 'yes' votes is the minimum for a successful election to fill
two vacancies. Essentially, the
election will succeed if there are as many or more candidates
recieving at least one 'yes' vote as there are vacancies. It's true
that not very many people vote, but I don't think there's been an
election yet where the number of voters has been that low, or where
there has been absolutely no support for the necessary number of
candidates, where enough candidates present themselves. So within
reasonable limits, the proposed system effectively eliminates run-off
elections.
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11344 From: Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Photos from Roman Days
Great pic's - looks like you all had a great time.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia Aventina"
<diana@p...> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> I uploaded photos of our citizens who were present at Roman Days to
> http://www.gensmoravia.org/RomanDays.html
>
> Valete,
> Diana Moravia
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11345 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Photos from Roman Days
Salve Diana,

Lovely photos and a nice layout. Thank you for sharing them with us.
They sure inspire me to get into the Roman festivities and dress.
Well done.

Vale bene,

Quintus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia Aventina"
<diana@p...> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> I uploaded photos of our citizens who were present at Roman Days to
> http://www.gensmoravia.org/RomanDays.html
>
> Valete,
> Diana Moravia
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11346 From: Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Congratulations for Roman Days and welcome back!
August?
I will be revisiting the Homeland and the Eternal city this October.
I would be interested in knowing of any public Nova Roma events or
gatherings taking place (if any that month).

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
<christer.edling@t...> wrote:
> Salve Senators, Tribuna et Quirites!
>
> I have read all reports and looked at the photos from the Roman
Days.
> It seems to me as if this event has been a great success for Nova
> Roma and the participants. I am convinced that such meetings are an
> important part of the developement and growth of the Res Publica. I
> hereby welcome all citizens back from this event and hope to see a
> success of the same kind at the Nova Roman Rally in Bologna in
August!
> --
>
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Senior Consul et Senator
> Propraetor Thules
> Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
> Civis Romanus sum
> ************************************************
> Cohors Consulis CFQ
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************************************************
> Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11347 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Congratulations for Roman Days and welcome back!
Salve Honorable!

Please contact the Propraetor of Italia Illustrus Franciscus Apulus
Caesar, he should know. His mail adddress is:
fraelov@...

>August?
>I will be revisiting the Homeland and the Eternal city this October.
>I would be interested in knowing of any public Nova Roma events or
>gatherings taking place (if any that month).

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11348 From: Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Congratulations for Roman Days and welcome back!
My thanks Senior Consul Caeso Fabius Quintilianus.
I'm not sure if he speaks English, I hope my Italian doesn't offend
him. On the brighter side, it is much better than my Latin by
comparison, lol.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
<christer.edling@t...> wrote:
> Salve Honorable!
>
> Please contact the Propraetor of Italia Illustrus Franciscus Apulus
> Caesar, he should know. His mail adddress is:
> fraelov@y...
>
> >August?
> >I will be revisiting the Homeland and the Eternal city this
October.
> >I would be interested in knowing of any public Nova Roma events or
> >gatherings taking place (if any that month).
>
> --
>
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Senior Consul et Senator
> Propraetor Thules
> Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
> Civis Romanus sum
> ************************************************
> Cohors Consulis CFQ
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************************************************
> Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11349 From: jlasalle Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Photos from Roman Days
Diana gets my vote for "Dictator for life" based on the picture entitled
"six senators and a tribune", by virtue of her virtuous bellybutton.

GB Agricola


-----Original Message-----
From: Diana Moravia Aventina [mailto:diana@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 11:35 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Photos from Roman Days


Salvete,

I uploaded photos of our citizens who were present at Roman Days to
http://www.gensmoravia.org/RomanDays.html

Valete,
Diana Moravia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11350 From: Gnaeus Salix Astur Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Invalid Edicta
Salvete Quirites; et salve, Sp. Postumi.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sp. Postumius Tubertus"
<postumius@g...> wrote:
> Sp. Postumius Senatui Populoque Romano S.P.D.
>
> Salvete,
>
> For those who are not already aware, in accordance with the Lex
> Arminia de Ratione Edictibus, the following edicta, issued before
> the Kalends of January, 2756, are valid, as they have been renewed
> by our current magistrates:
>
> Censoral Edicta of September 26 MMDCCLV de Libertate Gentilium, and
> of March 04 MMDCCLIV - renewed by Censor M. Octavius - as well as
> those edicta ratified by the Senate having been issued by Dictator
> Fl. Vedius.
>
> All other edicta are invalid, as the four nundinae (25 days)
> specified in the Lex Arminia have passed. Therefore, these edicta
> will need to, if they are to be reinstated, re-issued by means of
> edicta (of course, if I'm wrong, I have no doubt someone will
> inform me of such).
>
> I bring this up, particularly, because some edicta which, in my
> opinion, made things much smoother in Nova Roma have gone without
> reinstatement (specifically, Praetorian Edict concerning action due
> to an absent Paterfamilias, Aedilian Edicts regarding Fair Business
> Practices, Law Enforcement and Prosecution, and Investigation of
> Charges & Complaints, and others). I strongly ask all magistrates
> to review the edicta listed in the Tabularium, and to re-issue
> those edicts they find worthy of such.
>
> Valete,
>
> Sp. Postumius L.f. A.n. Tubertus
> Impubes Novae Romae

A praetorial edicta already handled this matter. It was issued on
January the 28th (since the praetorian elections took longer than
usual). You can look at it here:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NovaRoma-Announce/message/220

CN·SALIX·ASTVR·T·F·A·NEP·TRIB·OVF
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11351 From: Sp. Postumius Tubertus Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Invalid Edicta
Sp. Postumius Cn. Salici Asturi Praetori S.P.D.

Salve,

So it seems I missed something (yet again) <s>! I'll be sure to add your edictum to the Tabularium _now_ and mark Labienus' edictum accordingly. Mea culpa, iterum.

Vale,

Sp. Postumius Tubertus
(Hoping to remain a scribe of the Curator Araneum)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11352 From: Hector De Leon Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Legio VI
Salve;

I received information about your efforts to re-activate leg. IV in Nova
York. Then, let me present to you information about another existing legio
in the Nova Britannia area. We are Leg. VIIII Triumphalis and actively
recruiting in Worcester, MA. We are not related to Nova Roma, but we would
like to have conections we any fellow roman re-enactors. If you want to know
about us please contact our centurion Guderian Maximus Aurelius ( AKA as
David) at Maximusxx@.... We look forward to hear from you.

Camillus Herennius Hector
Leg. VIIII Triumphalis


>From: jmath669642reng@...
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>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>CC: SodalitasMilitarium@yahoogroups.com,LegioVINewYork@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] Legio VI
>Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2003 21:57:09 -0400 (EDT)
>

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11353 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Invalid Edicta
"Sp. Postumius Tubertus" wrote:
> (Hoping to remain a scribe of
> the Curator Araneum)

Salve, Spuri Postumi Tuberte.

It'd take a lot more than an oversight before I willingly let you go,
amice. Your diligence and hard work are much appreciated.

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11354 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Photos from Roman Days
Salvete Omnes,

All of the pictures and reports from Roman Days were great and truly
seem to porve this typ of event is key to the continued growth and
success of Nova Roma.

As a result, I am setting a goal now of attending next year and I
hope many of you will do the same.

Vale,
Gaius Popillius Laenas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11355 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Photos from Roman Days
Gaius Popillius Laenas writes:

> All of the pictures and reports from Roman Days were great and truly
> seem to porve this typ of event is key to the continued growth and
> success of Nova Roma.

I agree. As much as our day to day interactions have to be on
the web, the face to face meetings really do add a lot to the
whole Nova Roma experience. I recommend them to all.

> As a result, I am setting a goal now of attending next year and I
> hope many of you will do the same.

It'll be great to have you visit Mediatlantica!

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11356 From: C. Minucius Hadrianus Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Roman Re-enactment Kit for Sale
Salvete,

Due to a combination of time & financial conflicts I am no longer able
to pursue my interest in Roman Re-enacting and have some kit items I am
looking to sell:

1 Set of Albion Corbridge Style Lorica Segmentata worn once, some
surface rust (from sitting around) easily polished up.

1 Albion Imperial Gallic G Helmet with felt liner and red horsehair
crest box, worn once.

1 Albion Dolobra (pick-axe head) w/brass "scabbard", unused.

If anyone is interested please contact me off-list at
hadrianus@...

I can provide digital photos of all items.

Thanks!!!

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11357 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Photos from Roman Days
Salve Agricola,

<Diana gets my vote for "Dictator for life" based on the picture entitled
<"six senators and a tribune", by virtue of her virtuous bellybutton.

LOL! Hey if it's that easy, I'll send an entire photo spread :-) Just
kidding!

Ok, a bit of an explanation... I felt *really* silly to be the Bellydancing
Tribune. (Even worse, I was nearly the one-eyed Tribune after accidentally
putting crazy-glue in my eye instead of contact-lens drops...) I had planned
on either making an outfit on Thursday or going out and renting one. But on
Thursday morning my mother pulled up to her house, plain out forgot to brake
and drove her new car into the telephone pole... So I spent the entire day
running around getting the car fixed so she would have it back before I left
for the weekend.

Anyway, I brought back with me a huge pile of material and a mini-sewing
machine. So at the next NR meeting I'll be the Tribune in the *bright* red
toga, which I've read is not appropriate for ladies. :-))

Vale,
Diana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11358 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Ex officio- Co-opt of Gaius Popillius Laenas as the fifth Tribu
Marcus Marcius Rex wrote:
> The Tribunes certainly meant no
> disrespect to you by giving you their
> "direction" on the matter. Consider it
> as our "input" in line with the Lex
> Vedia de Vigintisexviri.

Diana Moravia Aventina wrote:
> Hey now, that sentence was written in
> "legalize" which is a difficult to
> understand and rather dull "dialect"
> of American English :-) No disrespect
> was even slightly intended by any
> Tribune!!

Salvete, Marce Marci Rex et Diana Moravia Aventina.

Thank you for your clarification. I must apologise for not being able to
understand all those heathen dialects you keep attacking my
sensibilities with. If you persist, I will be forced to reciprocate with
"computerese". Ware(z)! ;)

Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11359 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: legalese vs. computerese
Salve Titus Pius,

<If you persist, I will be forced to reciprocate with "computerese".
Ware(z)! ;)

LOL! No! Not that! I promise the next time it will be in nice common
friendly English :-)

And thanks for not mentioning that I spelled 'legalese" wrong :-) Jeez, I
need English lessons...
Vale,
Diana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11360 From: raymond fuentes Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Roman Re-enactment Kit for Sale
Price and sizes, if any please?

"C. Minucius Hadrianus" <hadrianus@...> wrote:Salvete,

Due to a combination of time & financial conflicts I am no longer able
to pursue my interest in Roman Re-enacting and have some kit items I am
looking to sell:

1 Set of Albion Corbridge Style Lorica Segmentata worn once, some
surface rust (from sitting around) easily polished up.

1 Albion Imperial Gallic G Helmet with felt liner and red horsehair
crest box, worn once.

1 Albion Dolobra (pick-axe head) w/brass "scabbard", unused.

If anyone is interested please contact me off-list at
hadrianus@...

I can provide digital photos of all items.

Thanks!!!

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11361 From: Paula Drennan Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: Re: Mosaics and The Roman Summer Camp
Salve,
Have you looked into the DIY network? they may have some instructions on how
to do mosaics. and if you go to the right places, ceramic tilesa re not htat
expensive. There is a place around here (san antonio/new braunfels area)
that are always selling ceramic tiles for less than a dollar each, all you'd
have to do is break them yourself. and IMO that's part of the fun of doig
mosaics.

Claudia Fabia Calpurnia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 11362 From: rexmarciusnr Date: 2003-06-17
Subject: About historical co-optations
Salve Colleague!

> Election reform should be our number 1 priority for the remainder
of
> this year.

I think we are all in agreement here! However, I should not leave you
(or our citizens) with the impression that your co-optation was
completely unhistorical. It was indeed the way Tribunes were chosen
in the early Republic if elections did not yield a necessary majority
for all positions.

Livy records this in 3.64: "He [the presiding magistrate for the
Comitia Plebis Tributa MMR] ordered those who had been elected to co-
opt colleagues, and recited the formula which governed the case as
follows: `If I require you to elect ten tribunes of the plebs; if on
this day you have elected less than ten, then those whom they co-opt
shall be lawful tribunes of the plebs by the same law, in like manner
as those whom you have this day made tribunes of the plebs.'"

The Lex Trebonia in 305 AUC (448 BC) however made run-off elections
(with heavy fines for non compliance) absolutely obligatory. It would
also be following history if we - after the experience of co-
optation - enacted the same kind of Plebiscitum for Nova Roma
(provided that we can find a way to make run-off elections yield
results).

Ave et Vale

Marcus Marcius Rex
Tribune of the Plebs