> Election reform should be our number 1 priority for the remainder

> this year.

>
> I was skimming through the archives of the main
> list(s) when I ran across a few dangling posts about
> an affair with Fannius and Marconius. So, if anyone
> has a moment, could you give me a quick run-down of
> what happened?
>
> Valete,
>
> Sp. Postumius Tubertus

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia Aventina"
> <diana@p...> wrote:
> > Salvete,
> >
> > I uploaded photos of our citizens who were present at Roman Days to
> > http://www.gensmoravia.org/RomanDays.html
> >
> > Valete,
> > Diana Moravia
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Diana gets my vote for "Dictator for life" based on the picture entitled
"six senators and a tribune", by virtue of her virtuous bellybutton.

GB Agricola


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Salvete,

I uploaded photos of our citizens who were present at Roman Days to
http://www.gensmoravia.org/RomanDays.html

Valete,
Diana Moravia


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----- Original Message -----
From: Paula Drennan
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] re:Mosaics and The Roman Summer Camp


Salve,
Have you looked into the DIY network? they may have some instructions on how
to do mosaics. and if you go to the right places, ceramic tilesa re not htat
expensive. There is a place around here (san antonio/new braunfels area)
that are always selling ceramic tiles for less than a dollar each, all you'd
have to do is break them yourself. and IMO that's part of the fun of doig
mosaics.

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> I have a question for any Latin whiz out there. How would you
> pronounce "Excubitor". Would "Ex cu bi tor" or "Ex cub i tor" be
> correct?
> I work as a Security Officer(Guard) and the Oxford Minidictionary
> has Excubitor meaning Watchman or Sentinel. This seems to be
> the closest to my job title. I want to use it as a e-mail name. Thanks
> for any help.

>
> The Lex Trebonia in 305 AUC (448 BC) however made
> run-off elections
> (with heavy fines for non compliance) absolutely
> obligatory. It would
> also be following history if we - after the
> experience of co-
> optation - enacted the same kind of Plebiscitum for
> Nova Roma
> (provided that we can find a way to make run-off
> elections yield
> results).
>

> Lowering the threshold for election to 40% of the
> votes would help eliminate the need for runoffs.
> Awarding the votes of tribes that cast no ballots by
> lot would also reduce the chances of a runoff.
>
> If there is a runoff the number of canidates needs

> be limited to the number of open postions plus one,
> ie one open postion only the top two canidates would
> be eligible for the run off.

> A. Apollonius Cordus to Senator L. Sinicius Drusus and
> all citizens and peregrines, greetings.
>
> > Lowering the threshold for election to 40% of the
> > votes would help eliminate the need for runoffs.
> > Awarding the votes of tribes that cast no ballots by
> > lot would also reduce the chances of a runoff.
> >
> > If there is a runoff the number of canidates needs
> to
> > be limited to the number of open postions plus one,
> > ie one open postion only the top two canidates would
> > be eligible for the run off.
>
> I'm glad to see there are lots of people out there
> still thinking about electoral reform!
>
> May I refer the honourable Senator to the proposal
> published by the Senior Consul a handful of messages
> ago? It would eliminate run-offs altogether (except in
> rare circumstances) and would also allow us to retain
> 50% as the strict minimum for a candidate to be
> elected.
>
> It would be no difficulty for the Tribunes to adapt
> the proposal for use in the Plebeian Assembly.
>
> Yours reformingly,
>
> Cordus
>
> =====
> www.collapsibletheatre.co.uk
>
>

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> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2003 04:59:17 -0000
> From: GÂ¥IVLIVSÂ¥SCAVRVS <gfr@...>
> Subject: Provincial Roman Archaeology
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.
>
> Avete, Quirites.
>
> Here's a link to the Univ. of Ghent's Research Unit
> on
> Provincial-Roman Archaeology:
>
> http://allserv.rug.ac.be/~hthoen/rugra.html
>
> The site describes the unit's extensive projects
> investigating
> Romano-Gallic sites in Belgium and northern France
> and provides a
> bibliography of publications arising from the
> excavations, including
> Gallo-Roman settlement in western Flanders, the
> Meetjesland Survey
> project, Roman roads and land organisation in
> Northwestern Gaul, Roman
> Jewellery in Belgium, and Roman Amphorae in
> Northwestern Gaul.
>
> Valete, Quirites.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus

> According to my own researchs, L.Marconius Romanus
> posted a offensive message regarding paganism in the
> XMas 98:
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/forum/mainlist/1998/1998-12-25.html#M0001
>
> and Fannius Agelastus Dives answered threatening him.
> Fannius later apologised, but Marconius persisted. In
> that time, there aint a Comitia, and the Constitution
> of these days allowed a Senatus Consultum to expel a
> citizen.
>
> After a lot of flamed discussions, the Senate voted
> the expulsion of Marconius:
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/99011001.html
>
> He suceed to rejoin Nova Roma incognito, but was
> identified and expelled again. Agelastus was condemned
> to do some works, but soon left Nova Roma too.

> I suppose this means neither could handle the punishments? I hope expulsion
> isn't something we have to use again.
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, GÂ¥IVLIVSÂ¥SCAVRVS <gfr@i...> wrote:
> G. Iulius Scaurus S. Cornelio Cottae salutem dicit.
>
> Salve, S. Corneli.
>
> > I have a question for any Latin whiz out there. How would you
> > pronounce "Excubitor". Would "Ex cu bi tor" or "Ex cub i tor" be
> > correct?
> > I work as a Security Officer(Guard) and the Oxford
Minidictionary
> > has Excubitor meaning Watchman or Sentinel. This seems to be
> > the closest to my job title. I want to use it as a e-mail name.
Thanks
> > for any help.
>
> The correct syllabification is ex-cu-bi-tor with the accent falling
on
> the penultimate syllable bi since the vowel of that syllable is both
> phonologically and metrically long.
>
> Vale.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus

>My thanks again.
>I have successfuly contacted Fancisco Apulus Caesar and while there
>are no Nova Roma events scheduled, I will be making contact with him
>upon my arrival in Italy.
>Vale

> Salve o Tuberte
>
> According to my own researchs, L.Marconius Romanus
> posted a offensive message regarding paganism in the
> XMas 98:
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/forum/mainlist/1998/1998-12-25.html#M0001
>
> and Fannius Agelastus Dives answered threatening him.
> Fannius later apologised, but Marconius persisted. In
> that time, there aint a Comitia, and the Constitution
> of these days allowed a Senatus Consultum to expel a
> citizen.
>
> After a lot of flamed discussions, the Senate voted
> the expulsion of Marconius:
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/99011001.html
>
> He suceed to rejoin Nova Roma incognito, but was
> identified and expelled again. Agelastus was condemned
> to do some works, but soon left Nova Roma too.
>
> Vale
> Marcus Arminius
>
> --- "Sp. Postumius Tubertus" <postumius@g...>
> escreveu: > Sp. Postumius Quiritibus S.P.D.
> >
> > I was skimming through the archives of the main
> > list(s) when I ran across a few dangling posts about
> > an affair with Fannius and Marconius. So, if anyone
> > has a moment, could you give me a quick run-down of
> > what happened?
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Sp. Postumius Tubertus
>
>
>

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> This was obviously before my time here at Nova Roma but as a
> practicing Pagan, I wasn't pleased with his comments.
> I manage a private Web community for Pagans and have a knack for
> debunking many Xian claims about our religion (which came first and
> before their priests decided to kill and torture our kind if we
> couldn't be converted).
> I have facts to diprove may of their beliefs in so called miracles
> not to mention that there is documentation to show the Old Roman
> Empire under Emperor Constantine changed their practices to

> with our holidys am rituals. Anyone who worships Mithras can

> to this.
> I'd be happy tp lend any assistance to those who require it and I
> hope this wasn't seen as as rant or ramble on the subject.
> If so, my apologies.
>
>

>However, if a citizen does slip in a heated debate like the one we
>all wish to forget about in recent history, does he or she have a
>chance to apologize, pay a fine, smarten up etc. or is expulsion from
>NR automatic and decided by the senate? It seemed that Romanus did
>not get the same break to recant and smarten up as his opponent did
>or am I missing further detail?
>

> As a matter of fact Fannius was fined $5.00 and assigned to me for six
> months to oversee a task which would forward Nova Roma. I contacted
> Fanniius and told him of the fine and suggested an area of effort for
> which he had earlier expressed an interest. I asked him to return to me
> a planof action for this effort together with a rough timetable of
> completion. The gentleman niether paid the fine, nor completed the
> project to which he had agreed.

> As Senator Fabius Has indicated, I niether expected him to pay the fine
> nor complete the project, but he was certainly provided the chance to do
> so.

> I see no real purpose in repeating this trial, since in my view the
> answer is plainly obvious. As the good Senator says, we have no control
> over such punishments as indicated above. If punishments must be
> inflicted for those who violate our laws, (and there have been a few
> examples) then in my view the punishments should be something which can
> be controlled by the elected Magistrates. We tried the method outlined
> above, and it did not work even though the young man was given every
> opportunity to do so. It didn't work. Solution, don't do that again!!!

> Still my fellow Nova Romans, I guess our penalties on this matter are
> relatively light. The drilling foreman I am working with just came
> here from 12 years in Saudi. He says you pull that same thick headed
> stunt preaching, blaspheming and trying to apostasize people over
> there, more likely than not that thick head of yours can end up
> flying off your shoulders in a fountain of blood and dancing a few
> feet across a sand filled square with the crowd shouting Allah Ahkbar!
> One should indeed follow the rule that says, when in Rome do as the
> Romans do.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Fortunatus <labienus@n...> wrote:
> Salve Quinte Lani
>
> >However, if a citizen does slip in a heated debate like the one we
> >all wish to forget about in recent history, does he or she have a
> >chance to apologize, pay a fine, smarten up etc. or is expulsion
from
> >NR automatic and decided by the senate? It seemed that Romanus did
> >not get the same break to recant and smarten up as his opponent
did
> >or am I missing further detail?
> >
>
> You are missing something. The Fannius-Marconius affair happened
under
> an older constitution, in which cives could be expelled by the
senatus.
> Under the current constitution, the senatus is not empowered to
> involuntarily remove cives' civitas. Only a trial before one of
the
> trina comitia may do that, and only the Comitia Centuriata may
remove it
> permanently. Therefore, a consul (or a praetor if both consules
are
> unavailable) and the voting populace must be convinced that exile
is
> warranted before a civis suffers such a fate. And, it is the
Collegium
> Pontificum which would start such a process by requesting action on
the
> part of the praetores. They're unlikely to do that unless it's a
fairly
> egregious case.
>
> Vale
> T Labienus Fortunatus
>
> --
> May pre house the seamy side volitation!!!

> You know, sometimes a good lopping off of one's head makes one

>
> Vale,
>
> Sp. Postumius Tubertus

> Are there any "one person" Roman themed plays that could be adapted to this
> purpose?
>

> Do we have anybody in NR who is a playwright?
>

> If we were to try this as a NR outreach project, what four "Romans" would
> you suggest? What themes?
>

> A historic Roman talking about the "Legacy of Rome" ? "Letters from
> Cicero" ? Laws of Rome by Justinian?
>
> An Evening with Marcus Aurelius ( on the stoic philosophy) ? Caesar's
> letters from Gaul?
>

> An Evening with a Roman Matron ( on life as a woman in the Roman world)?
>
> Sallust, Livy, or other roman Historians ? Spartacus on slavery in the
> ancient/roman world?
>
> Should they be limited to "Republican" personages ?
>

> Do we have enough information for "Roman" music to be played before the
> presentations and if so by whom? Should one of the four be a Legionary, that
> would describe life in the Army? ( most of the program should be, in my mind at
> least, non-military)
>

> Would we want to serve some Roman food?
>

>Salve Senior Consul,
>
>Just a quick note to say that I printed out your proposal (all 10 pages!)
>and will read it in detail as soon as possible!
>
>Vale,
>Diana Moravia

> Tanti Grazie Fr. Apulus Caesar,
> Si, l'ho capito, posso leggere piu meglio di parlare hahaha.
> Visitero Roma, Venezia, la costa Amalfi, Firenze e Baveno a Largo
> Maggiore per 15 giorni.
> Ti mandero il mio itinerario quando e pronto.
> Sarebbe un piacere di conoscerti.
>
>
>
>
>
> Salve Belisarius,
>
> se hai difficoltà a comprendere il mio italiano, chiedimi di fare

> traduzione in inglese.
> Il prossimo evento di Nova Roma in Italia è in Agosto a Bologna.

> ci sarà il Mercato della Centuriazione a Villadose (RV) (vicino
> Venezia) dove alcuni nova romani si esibiscono.
> A ottobre non abbiamo ancora previsto nulla e non penso ci sia
> qualche evento ufficiale.
> In ogni caso avvisami quando vieni in Italia, sarà un piacere per

> darti il benvenuto e incontrarci. In che città andrai?
>
> Vale
> Fr. Apulus Caesar
> Propraetor Provinciae Italiae
>
>
>
> Salve Honorato,
> Mi chiamo Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius da Nova Roma.
> Non parlo Italiano proprio bene e il mio Latino non e piu meglio.
>
> Visitero' Italia in Ottobre, ci sara qualche avvenimenti Nova Roma
> quel meze?
> Mille grazie

>Salve,
>
>Many thanks for your input. Your method sound easy enough that I
>can probably do it myself without cutting off more than two or three
>fingers, or sewing myself to the fabric. ;-)
>
>I left your original message full length in case someone interested
>missed it when you sent it.
>
>Vale,
>
>-- Casca
>
>--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
><gawne@c...> wrote:
>> Gaius Ursus Casca asked Salve Iulia Vespasia:
>>
>> > I am wondering where you got the pattern to make your husband's
>> > tunic.
>>
>> While we wait for Iulia to reply, I'll mention that a classic
>> Roman tunic is very easy to make. It's just two rectangles of
>> wool or linen sewn together, leaving a gap for the neck and an
>> armhole on each side.
>>
>> For my own tunic, I cut two 30 inch by 40 inch pieces of cream
>> colored wool and sewed them together. (A single 40 inch long
>> piece of 60 inch wide fabric cut in half works perfectly.)
>> If you want a longer tunic, just cut a longer length.
>>
>> Leave an unsewn gap about 12 inches wide in the middle of the
>> top so you can get it over your head, and similar gaps at each
>> corner so you can stick your arms through it. That's all it
>> takes! I hemmed all of my edges, though even that is not
>> strictly necessary. But it does prevent ravelling over time.
>>
>> -- Marinus
>
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----- Original Message -----
From: gkbagne
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:33 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] An evening with Romans


From Lepella, to All Salvette!
Although no ancient Roman music survived, some ancient Greek did,
and might be used- after all Romans admired Greek culture and
probably would have listened to Greek musicians.
Many Roman foods could be served as appetizers, most was meant to
be served as finger food. There is garlic and herb cheese to dip
bread in, meatballs cooked in fish sauce, fried balls of herbed chick-
peas, little cheese and honey cakes, and dates stuffed with pine-nuts
and cream cheese. I've served all to the approval of even fussy
eaters. The sodalis coq et coq. would be glad to provide recepies.
As for a lecture or play; how about letters to or from a soldier.
With a 20 year enlistment, letters must have had to explain a lot,
from family matters to politics.
Here in Reno our local PBS station sponsors a Chattaquwa, but uses
profesionals with national reputations, so most local participation
is frozen out. However, I think its a good idea to work out a model
presentation that we could access if an opporunity came up.
Would anybody be interested is a Sodali Scriptori where those of us
interested in writing about ancient Roman subjects could exchage
ideas, proof each other's work and provide mutual moral support?
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> Who else here beside Fabius Metellus is an actor?

> Would anybody be interested is a Sodali Scriptori where those of us
> interested in writing about ancient Roman subjects could exchage
> ideas, proof each other's work and provide mutual moral support?

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Gawne
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A Evening with Romans ? A n outline


Quintus Fabius Maximus asked:

> Who else here beside Fabius Metellus is an actor?

If you include amateur gigs and community theatre, I've done a bit of that.
I also teach, and that gives me ample opportunity to "strut my hour upon
the stage" as well. If the idea is to do this somewhere in Maryland,
I'm close by.

Tiberius, let's see what we can work out. Where/when were you thinking of
doing this?

-- Marinus


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> We need to develop the idea . Decide what the program will be, get
> volunteers , find location around the state ( Community colleges, Parks,
> write a budget, ) etc . get it started in the Fall say October ?

> Salvete Omnes and Belisarius,
>
> for the people don't speak italian, I said that in October

> don't organize event and I don't know if there are other
> manifestations. However we'll be very happy to meet Belisarius. He
> answered me with the tour of his trip.
>
> Belisarius, I live in Bari, in the south cost of the Adriatic Sea.
> The nearest city is Amalfi (wonderful area ;-), it's 200 km far for
> my house. We could visit the close Pompei and Herculaneum. What do
> ou think?
>
> Do you come to the Meeting of Bologna in August?
>
> Vale
> FAC
>SNIP>

----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A Evening with Romans ? A n outline


Salve Tiberius,

> We need to develop the idea . Decide what the program will be, get
> volunteers , find location around the state ( Community colleges, Parks,
> write a budget, ) etc . get it started in the Fall say October ?

OK. I've just made a calendar notation for October 4th, to contact
you about developing this "Roman Chataqua" around the state. I think
it might go well on some of the smaller college campuses, in places
like Frostburg and Winchester. I can be the front man at Towson
University, since I teach there.

I think we can spare the mainlist the details of our planning,
but I do want folks here to know that things are cooking in
Mediatlantica.

-- Marinus


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> Salve Marce,
>
> I sure agree that the Christian Church, particularily the Roman
> Catholic kept many of the pagan religious ceremonies in its

> wherever it went all over the world; a rather smart move in my
> opinion because it made the converts forcebly or not forcebly
> integrated, more at home. I read how the venerations of Mary are
> often analagous to Isis, the vestments and incense along with the
> patron saint's feast days certainly reflect pagan Rome and my

> wife and I love doing the beautiful Day of the Dead ceremony that
> integrates the Aztec relgious festivities with Catholicism. In

> and Haiti, the African pagan festivities are also integrated. I'll
> have to read some more on Mithra to see the connection but I'll
> certainly take your word for it as I write this posting.
>
> In conclusion, I wish to say that I generally find the Roman

> services, especially with its integrated pagan formalities a very
> rich thing to watch thanks to its pagan ceremonial integration.
>
> As far as real miracles go, I have seen none preformed in any

> in my life; ones from changing water into wine on the spot to a

> changing into a snake, a man into a bull or lead into gold. No

> what the religion, most are based on faith and can never be

> on the drop of a hat. In that respect I am a doubting Thomas until
> one kicks me in the face.
>
> Anyway, I feel that all Nova Romans no matter what faith, should
> educate themselves about the Religio Romano. Would you please give

> a little run down on Mithraism and its ceremonies when you have a
> chance. I realize it came from Persia but was very popular with the
> Roman soldiers abroad who brought it back home.
>
> Yours respectfully,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
>
>SNIP >

> My apologies for not adding the translation.

> Unfortunately I will not be able to visit in August - I live on

> Island in New York and vacation time is limited.

> I will be visiting Pompei on my visit though, so if it isn't
> inconvenient for you, I would love to meet there.

> My Grandparents were born in Bari. The names Zacchio and Ameno.

> grandmother (Ameno) came from an aristocratic family with several
> brothers in the clergy (priest), government (mayor) and teaching
> (teacher) professions but we have lost all contact with any family
> from those times.

> With pleasure!
> Mithras was the Roman Soldiers God. He was also known as the Sun

> The story goes that He single handedly slew a great white bull by
> jumping upon its back, pulling up its head by the horns and drawing

> knife across its throat.
>> No offense is meant to any christians but this is all fact that no
> member of the clergy will deny when questioned.

> Anyone who exhibits the peaceful nature of any religion they

> has my respect. I do however have a personal grudge
> against "Political Religious Business Organizations" (Vatican) that
> use these beliefs to controll the masses by fear and misinformation
> (Propaganda) and don't practice what they preach. Honestly, I have
> many friends in the Judeo-Christian faith and great respect for

> beliefs however misguided. It is their expression of love that I
> respect. I also have clergy friends that love to discuss the

> behind the current practices with mutual respect. The fact remains
> that many christians have no concept of the truth behind their
> religion because it was withheld from them and that is just "so not
> right".
>



> Vale et benedictus
>
>Salve Marce,

>
>

> Salve Marce Ambrosi,
>
> A facinating post and I would love to read more, if not here
> privately or in another venue.
>
> As one who was raised Roman Catholic it seems obvious that pieces

> the old paegan way were preserved in various "traditions" of the
> Church. For example, every Saint is a patron Saint of something or
> other, sounds much like how the Gods are often each associated with
> a specific aspect of human life.
>
> Portestant Christians often point to what Catholics

> of Mary" as idolatry. I would have to say that make a case, since
> Mary also has several different aspects each special to a specific
> area of human existance.
>
> None of this is meant as offense to any Catholics or Christians.

> I did ofend anybody and they want to get me back, jsut show this
> post to my wife. Her father was the only one of 4 brothers who
> didn't enter the priesthood and she is VERY Catholic. ;-O
>
> Vale,
> Gaius Popillius Laenas

> A hearty thanks for your time and effort on this informative write
> up. Fortunately I had some sisters of charity and Jesuits teach me

> early religious studies and they taught all about how pagan

> and legends had been integrated into Catholicism. My mother studied
> all the classics in university as well and often whispered this to
> us as we watched the mass ceremonies as youngsters. Correct me if

> wrong but their were many different Christian churches and customs

> Roman times but I think it was Constantine who actually got the

> Catholic church going as we know it today by the Edict of Milan.
>
> About 45 years ago, Pope John XX111 was progressive enough during

> 2nd Vatican Council to acknowledge and proclaim that the

> was as much the fault of the Catholic Church as anyone elses, the
> encouraged and / or ignored persecution of the Jews was a huge

> and from now on anti-semitism would be considered a serious sin and
> abomination to God. He went on to say that we must reconcile and

> dialogue with all other world religions and recognize there are

> possibly other paths to spiritual eternity.
>
> I have read a lot on Christ but I must further educate myself on

> sensitivities of the pagan religion. If the teachings of Jesus had
> been properly followed the atrocities against our pagan bretheren

> well have been avoided. Now my name is Quintus, not Jesus or Mithra
> but based on Christian teaching, I wish not to be in the shoes of
> Torquemada or the Conquistadors when they face my God. Their
> spiritual fates are for God to decide but on the human level they
> were just agents of the devil or negative gods. I'm optomistic
> however that the wounds of old injustices and worse will eventually
> heal and we can all cooperate in a spirit of brotherhood. Still we
> must realize that there will always be fanatics and (censored).....
> disturbers who will always try to keep old wounds alive but we

> not let them deter us. Thanks for the blessing!
>
> Yours respectfully,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
> >
> >

> Yes, of course. I suggest you to visit Herculaneum, the famous and
> wonderful Villa of Papyres is now open.
> BTW the area of Naples have several wonderful roman ruins. For
> example the imperial house of Adrianus in Capri or the roman

> under Naples.
>snip
> This is a wonderful thing, so you have the bllod of my city :-)))
> I don0t know this names but maybe my grandparents knew yours. The
> parents of my grandfather were famous priests, Bux.
> Why you don't visit "your" city? It's not beautiful like the others
> cities but it could be interesting ;-)
>
> Vale
> Fr. Apulus Caesar

> Salvete Omnes,
>
> I come before you today to announce my resignation from Nova Roma.
> I do this for private reasons - none that I would like to discuss

> public. It has taken me a long time to arrive at this decision, and
> for this very reason I believe it is the right thing for me to do.
>
> It has been an education and an honor to be part of Nova Roma.
> Lucilla Meridia will follow me as head of Gens Meridia, if the
> Censores agree. So I will not part and leave behind me a leaderless
> gens.
> I have received much support and friendship during my time here in
> Nova Roma, especially from the members of my own province of
> Germania. Gaius Flavius Diocletianus has honored me with a trust I
> know I can never repay him for. You have my gratitude, Cai.
>
> To all of you - may the Gods always protect you and lead Nova Roma

> the greatness she aspires to.
>
> Valete,
> Diana Meridia Aurelia

> While being a new Citizen here we have not had time to get to know
> eachother but read your resignation with sadness and regret.
> I wish you the best in resolving your personal issues and hope you
> can one day return.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Meridia Aurelia"
> <diana_h@s...> wrote:
> > Salvete Omnes,
> >
> > I come before you today to announce my resignation from Nova Roma.
> > I do this for private reasons - none that I would like to discuss
> in
> > public. It has taken me a long time to arrive at this decision,

> > for this very reason I believe it is the right thing for me to do.
> >
> > It has been an education and an honor to be part of Nova Roma.
> > Lucilla Meridia will follow me as head of Gens Meridia, if the
> > Censores agree. So I will not part and leave behind me a

> > gens.
> > I have received much support and friendship during my time here

> > Nova Roma, especially from the members of my own province of
> > Germania. Gaius Flavius Diocletianus has honored me with a trust

> > know I can never repay him for. You have my gratitude, Cai.
> >
> > To all of you - may the Gods always protect you and lead Nova

> to
> > the greatness she aspires to.
> >
> > Valete,
> > Diana Meridia Aurelia

> The symbol for the Sun (God) was the cross and
> Mithras was born on
> December 25th. He was worshipped, unlike many Pagan
> Gods outside
> under the open sky, in an underground temple called
> a Mithreum and
> making the sign of the cross with holy water was not
> uncommon.

>
> > The symbol for the Sun (God) was the cross and
> > Mithras was born on
> > December 25th. He was worshipped, unlike many Pagan
> > Gods outside
> > under the open sky, in an underground temple called
> > a Mithreum and
> > making the sign of the cross with holy water was not
> > uncommon.
>
>
> Very interesting post and very true, and mirrors some
> of the ideas I expressed in regards to the connections
> to the Mithraic Tradition and Yuletide/Christmas:
>
> Snip for space

> Salvete Omnes,
>
> I come before you today to announce my resignation from Nova Roma.
> I do this for private reasons - none that I would like to discuss

> public. It has taken me a long time to arrive at this decision, and
> for this very reason I believe it is the right thing for me to do.
>
> It has been an education and an honor to be part of Nova Roma.
> Lucilla Meridia will follow me as head of Gens Meridia, if the
> Censores agree. So I will not part and leave behind me a leaderless
> gens.
> I have received much support and friendship during my time here in
> Nova Roma, especially from the members of my own province of
> Germania. Gaius Flavius Diocletianus has honored me with a trust I
> know I can never repay him for. You have my gratitude, Cai.
>
> To all of you - may the Gods always protect you and lead Nova Roma

> the greatness she aspires to.
>
> Valete,
> Diana Meridia Aurelia

> Vigiles might be the one I might use because from what I understand
> there was really no private security force as we
> know it today. There might have been some sort of force but,
> I imagine they were mostly thugs and criminals used to
> protect property from their comrades in crime.

----- Original Message -----
From: Sandruzzo
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:54 PM
Subject: Fine Dell'Impero Romano


Ave!

girando qua e la per la rete ho letto diversi documenti sulla fine(Sing) dell'Impero Romano,data circa (se non erroro) 476 d.c.le mie domande sono molteplici:

come mai non e' stato possibile fermare i barbari,sconfitti anni prima piu' di una volta?
non c'erano legioni fuori dall'italia da portare a Roma per tentare un contro assalto?
come mai l'impero non e' stato capace di prevedere la venuta dei barbari?
una volta caduta Roma(o nel mentre),il senato,l'iperatore,le legioni dove erano?

sara mattu cio' mi sembra molto strano...


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----- Original Message -----
From: jlasalle
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 2:24 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Photos from Roman Days



Diana gets my vote for "Dictator for life" based on the picture entitled
"six senators and a tribune", by virtue of her virtuous bellybutton.

GB Agricola


-----Original Message-----
From: Diana Moravia Aventina [mailto:diana@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 11:35 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Photos from Roman Days


Salvete,

I uploaded photos of our citizens who were present at Roman Days to
http://www.gensmoravia.org/RomanDays.html

Valete,
Diana Moravia


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> Quintus Fabius Maximus asked:
>
> > Who else here beside Fabius Metellus is an actor?
>
> If you include amateur gigs and community theatre, I've done a bit of that.
> I also teach, and that gives me ample opportunity to "strut my hour upon
> the stage" as well. If the idea is to do this somewhere in Maryland,
> I'm close by.

> As to the water into wine miracle -
> Clarafication:
> Common people at weddings were not allowed to dring wine, only water.
> Jesus was trying to reform the strict rules of the times and one of
> his public displays was allowing everyone at the wedding in Cana to
> drink wine so metaphorically speaking - he turned the water into wine.
> All of the other miracles are very similar in nature with logical
> explanations.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sandruzzo" <assemblera@y...> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sandruzzo
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 7:54 PM
> Subject: Fine Dell'Impero Romano
>
>
> Ave!
>
> girando qua e la per la rete ho letto diversi documenti sulla fine
(Sing) dell'Impero Romano,data circa (se non erroro) 476 d.c.le mie
domande sono molteplici:
>
> come mai non e' stato possibile fermare i barbari,sconfitti anni
prima piu' di una volta?
> non c'erano legioni fuori dall'italia da portare a Roma per tentare
un contro assalto?
> come mai l'impero non e' stato capace di prevedere la venuta dei
barbari?
> una volta caduta Roma(o nel mentre),il senato,l'iperatore,le
legioni dove erano?
>
> sara mattu cio' mi sembra molto strano...
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>
>
> Heathen Renewal <heathenrenewal@y...> wrote:
> . How or why the "seventh"
> day celebration for Christians came to be held on the
> first day of the week— the "day of the Conquering
> Sun"----- remains a "mystery" to modern Christians.
>
>
>
> there is no mystery at all why Christians celebrated Sunday.

>

> Salvete All,
>
> Once again thanks to Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius for his

> post on Mithraism and its connections to the early Christian
> church. Coincidentally, I ran across the following link today to a
> site with more, for any who are interested:
>
>

> riods/Roman/Topics/Religion/Mithraism/David_Fingrut**.html#int

> Yes and I did not see your name or I would properly greet you.
> You have the literal facts I paraphrased.
> This is just one instance of their copying, borrowing - Stealing?
> From those they now try to discredit, persecute and eliminate.
> Excellent article and there are many Holydays bastardized in the

> way.

> Heathen? Ha! The more educated know the answer to who is more
> heathen and I am too kind to reciprocate in like manner - Pagans

> true to their ideals and tollerences.

> Thereafter, all hymns about the birth of the
> Sun were changed to hymns about the birth of the
> "Son".

>From: G�IVLIVS�SCAVRVS <gfr@...>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Past Legal Occasions
>Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2003 23:50:22 -0000
>
>G. Iulius Scaurus M. Ambrosio Belisario salutem dicit.
>
>Salve, M. Ambrosi.
>
> > As to the water into wine miracle -
> > Clarafication:
> > Common people at weddings were not allowed to dring wine, only water.
> > Jesus was trying to reform the strict rules of the times and one of
> > his public displays was allowing everyone at the wedding in Cana to
> > drink wine so metaphorically speaking - he turned the water into wine.
> > All of the other miracles are very similar in nature with logical
> > explanations.
>
>There were no sumptuary laws in Herodian Galilee prohibiting the lower
>social and economic classes from consuming wine at wedding feasts, nor
>any evidence that wine was any less central to ritual occasions among
>Jews of the early first century CE than suggested by the contemporary
>Philo or slightly later Josephus or the somewhat later still
>Palestinian or Babylonian Talmud. This explanation of the "miracle"
>of the marriage feast at Cana (John 2:1-12) is what is sometimes
>jocularly called "nunsense" -- a pious story which decontextualises by
>a false historicism. When subjected to rigorous textual-critical
>study the account in John is related to three topoi which are
>characteristic of the Johannine author/editor and which are brought
>together to make a theological and liturgical point. The first topos
>is that of abundant wine as a symbol of the eschaton (the "coming of
>the kingdom" -- which is also a constant preoccupation of the
>Johannine text) in Old Testament and apocryphal texts with an
>apocalyptic tint (Amos 9;13; Hosea 2:24; Joel 4:18; Isaiah 29:17;
>Jeremiah 31:5; 1 Enoch 10:19 -- likewise, the "new wine" pericope in
>Mark 2:22 and the pentecost account in Acts). The second is the
>marriage feast as metaphor for messianic realisation (Isaiah 54:4-8
>and 62:4-5). The third topos is the feeding-type "miracle" found in
>several Old Testament accounts and the synoptic gospels as well as the
>gospel of John. These topoi were weaved in the Johannine gospel into
>an account which presents Jesus of Nazareth as the
>realised-lord-messiah who embodies nourishment of the community of the
>faithful. The text is a highly elaborated literary and liturgical
>text aimed a propagandising for a very specific Christology, and even
>if one grants that there is a more primitive Aramaic
>sayings-and-stories source underlying both the snyoptic and Johannine
>gospels, the "miracle of the wine at Cana" story isn't a report of an
>historical event. It is an evocation of a symbol which serves to mark
>the opening of Jesus' public ministry in the same way that the "Jesus
>as the true vine" pericope (John 15:1-16:4) brings the public ministry
>to an end in preparation for the passion narrative; this sort of
>chiastic parallelism is central to the composition of the Johannine
>gospel. This text is a very sophisticated work of literary propaganda
>and the attempt to explain the "miracles" outside this complex fabric
>of literary creation, in my view, concedes a kind of prima facie
>historicity to such accounts which close textual-critical and
>literary-critical analysis suggests is unfounded.
>
>Vale.
>
>G. Iulius Scaurus
>
>