G. Iulius Scaurus Q. Fabio Maximo salutem dicit.

Salve, Q. Fabi.

> Terms like extreme right and left are modern political terms and really h=

ave

> no place in
> a reconstruction society based on concepts from 2500 years ago.
>
> Romans would not know what you were talking about.

Conflict between those who have more and those who have less has been a
factor in every human society in recorded history. We mainly know
about this because those who have more take considerable umbrage at the
effort of those who have less to obtain more -- most elites see this in
quasi-zero-sum terms -- and it is mainly from those who have more they
we have written records). This conflict existed in Roman history and
became exacerbated by the increased socio-economic distance between
classes which accompanied Rome's military successes and hegemony over
the Mediterranean world. Two of the most bitter and best known problems
of the Republic ensued from this conflict: the Gracchan attempt to
reverse the military and political consequences of the depopulation of
rural Italy by land redistribution and the Marian military "reform"
(which shifted the question of land redistribution to that of providing
land to discharged soldiers -- if Roman generals had not been obligated
to obtain land for their discharged soldiers, the politics of the late
republic would have _very_ different). The modern left-right
distinction is laden with the overtones of class conflict; Roman
republican politics is laden with the same sort of conflict. Romans
may not have understood the modern particulars, but from the first
secession of the plebs, surely, they understood the idea of conflict
arising from differing collective estimates of economic self-interest.

> The great Mommesen did Roman historians a great disservice when he compar=

ed

> Popularie and Optimatis to his German political scene in the late 1800s. =

That

> seemed gather a ground swell to result in the misconception today. It ev=

en

> made it into Atkins which the popular Roman handbook of most Roman reader=

s.

> Simply put, a Popularis is a political person is draws his power from the=

> people and usually (not always) is attempting to reform the Roman governm=

ent. An

> Optimas is one who believes in the stability of the Roman government, and=

> draws his power from the Senate.
> So it is tempting to assign labels to the two as Populare (left) Optimas =

> (right).
> This is what Mommesen did.

I think you are interpreting Mommsen too narrowly. Mommsen did clearly
indicate where he was analogising and analogy is one of the fundmental
methods of explanation. The history of a particular place and time
explained solely in its own terms is a history incomprehensible to any
other place and time. The political-economic consequences of German
unification were at some level of abstraction similar to those which
produced the Roman late republic. It's a perfectly respectable
argument to suggest that the level of abstraction at which that analogy
made loses two much empirical content from the compared places and
times. That becomes an empirical question with implications for the
theoretical framework of explanation, but that, too, is complicated by
both the disparity in sources for each of the comparanda and the
inescapable fact that the historian experiences his contemporary world
with greater granularity than any other time or place in which he has
not lived. Within these constraints I think Mommsen achieved the
greatest insight of any historian into Roman history. I'd be happy to
argue strategies for selecting a better level of abstraction, but I
reject in principle the notion that any historian can ever fully escape
conceiving the past in terms of his experience of the present. We may
concur in rejecting Mommsen's analogy (although I'd need to see a
stronger argument); we may even concur in an analogy we both find
superior. What we shall never achieve is complete escape from the
taint of our own particular modernity.

[snipped]

> The Boni are reconstructionist. We say try the historical way first. If=

it

> doesn't work
> then rethink the option. And that's all. We are a faction by Roman
> definition. So we use that term.
> In Macronational politics I'm a democratic liberal. But I successfully c=

heck

>
> my leanings at Nova Roma's front door.

It is here that that we fundamentally disagree. I think we can try to
leave our modern leanings at the door, but in principle we cannot do so
completely. The problem is exacerbated by the facts that no knowledge
is possible without theory -- theory is always the product of the
present -- and the next discovered text or unearthed artifact may
reduce our theoretical construct to a house of cards. There is also
the fact that the evidence we interpret through that framework is often
very sparse. If the works of Livy, Ennius, and Polybius had not
survived, we would know next to nothing about the early republic.
Imagine how little we would know of the late republic if the writings
if Cicero had not survived. Imagine how different our reconstruction
of the religio would be with Cato the Elder -- a fire in two wooden
buildings in the six hundred years between the loss of Cato's De
Agricultura and its rediscovery in the 11th century would have robbed
us of it entirely [B.M. Olsen, L'Étude des auteurs classiques latins
aux XIe et XIIe siécles (Paris, 1982-5)]. Imagine how differently we
would see those politics if Sulla's apologia pro sua vita had survived
and we did not have to depend on those who took such glee in repeating
rumours from the underside of Roman politics as facts (and how little
we would have to even imagine that underside's taste for lurid libel
without Cicero and Velleius Paterculus). Modernity -- the contemporary
experience of discovery -- can intrude at any moment into how we
reconstruct the past

I do, however, agree that it is all too common in NR for people either
to dismiss the need or, even where the need is abstractly recognised,
to make too lttle effort to consciously examine at least some of the
ways our modernity affects our interaction with the Roman past

>My first and always overriding
> concern is:
> "Will this help or hinder NR's mission statement?" And I draw my conclus=

ions

> from that.

That is a concern which I share. On a relatively superficial level the
tradoffs between historical accuracyand modernity are always going to
be present and agrued about vehemently, sometimes to the point of
cacophony. Yet the real problem I see with the "traditionalist" and
"modernist" labels is that they miss almost entirely the fundamental
historiographic conundrum.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus

That is something that has been explained many times
to no avail. Some prefer to beleave otherwise so they
can maintain an illusion of purity by avoiding the
alley.

--- "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)"
<mjk@...> wrote:

> Salvete Marine et omnes,
>
> I missed that era but actually the site has greatly
> toned down with
> respect to foul language and insults. I find it a
> good back up for
> discussions when they go really off topic. So far I
> have been
> unscathed. (grin)
>
> I have mixed views about foul language and all. I
> know if I was to
> use it to my family friends and fellow Nova Romans I
> would certainly
> be projecting myself as an uneducated, uncouth lout
> with an
> impoverished vocabulary. On the other hand if I
> slipped and told my
> my wife, friends or family for example to blank off,
> kiss my.. etc it
> is certainly crude and disrespectful but is still a
> better way to go
> than saying something very hurtful like you are
> totally incompetent,
> wish I had never chosen you, your a cheat and liar,
> make my life
> miserable etc.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > The one time I looked at the Back Alley, it was
> full of
> > the most obscene, insulting, and reprehensible
> language
> > I've seen anywhere in Nova Roma. I have no wish
> to
> > repeat that experience. If I want gutter
> language, I can
> > visit a barracks easily enough.
> >
> > The Vedian Baths were a much better place to
> relax. I
> > miss Vedius, and his bathhouse.
> >
> > -- Marinus
>
>

=====
L. Sicinius Drusus

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Ex Officio Propraetoris Galliae

Edictum Propraetoricium VII

About the definition and the management Bibliotheca Apollonia

1. Definition

Bibliotheca Apollonia is an on line listing dedicated to the Roman monuments of Gallia.
The internet location will be within the official site of Gallia:
http://www.fr-novbaroma.com/
The purpose of Bibliotheca Apollonia is the promotion of the Roman heritage of Gallia to
the worlwide on-line community.

2. Responsibilities

The persons responsible for Bibliotheca Apollonia are the Curator Bibliothecae Apolloniae
and the Propraetor Galliae. Only the Propraetor Galliae may veto the actions of the
Curator Bibliothecae Apolloniae for the general management of Bibliotheca Apollonia. The
Curator Bibliothecae Apolloniae may appoint, under the approval of the Propraetor
Galliae, any citizen of Nova Roma willing to help in the management of Bibliotheca
Apollonia. Only the citizens of Nova Roma may be so appointed. The structure and the
titles of the staff have to be determined.

3. Regulation of Bibliotheca Apollonia

Bibliotheca Apollonia is a MySql database. Any username and password, needed to manage
Bibliotheca Apollonia, will be given by the Propraetor Galliae.
Any person on-line will be freely able to consult Bibliotheca Apollonia, there is no need
to be a citizen of Nova Roma. There will not be any password needed for such a
consultation.

4. Limitations on content

- All the monuments must be located in Gallia only. However, any Propraetor can ask to
use Bibliotheca Apollonia in order to list the monuments existing in his or her
Provincia.
- Bibliotheca Apollonia must contain at least one explicit link to the main website of
Nova Roma.
- Bibliotheca Apollonia not contain any explicit or implicit ideas contrary to the basic
ideals of Nova Roma, as stated in the main website of Nova Roma.
- Bibliotheca Apollonia may not contain anything that would be considered illegal in any
macronation making up the Provincia Gallia.
- The official language of Bibliotheca Apollonia is English. The participation in other
language will have to be translated in English.

Further Edicta will organize the management and the consultation of Bibliotheca
Apollonia.

This Edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given on July 13rd, in the year of the consulship of Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and Titus
Labienus Fortunatus 2756 AUC.

Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Propraetor Galliae



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Ex Officio Propraetoris Galliae

Edictum Propraetoricium VIII

Appointment of the Curator Bibliothecae Apolloniae

I hereby appoint Lucius Rutilius Minervalis as Curator Bibliothecae Apolloniae.
A declaration of oath is needed on the official list of Gallia only.

This Edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given on July 13rd, in the year of the consulship of Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and Titus
Labienus Fortunatus 2756 AUC.

Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Propraetor Galliae

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Salve Honorable Kaeso Maximius Tiberius!

I will send this to Illustrus Marcus Minucius Audens, Praefectus
Sodalitas Miltarium, I hope he can give You directions to someone
that can help You.

>Salvete Milites et Cives
> One of the main reasons for posting this message here is I am new
>to ConVersions and I know of a few members here that have been to and
>participated in some. I Was wondering what kind of presentation they
>have put on at these ConVersions. Also as a newly Sponsored Legion of
>Nova Roma for Canada Occidentalis Provincia whom would I contact
>about liturature to be handing out to promote NR at these events? It
>is not until just after the Ides of Aug. Any suggestions and ideas
>would be helpful.
>
>Valete
>Kaeso Maximius Tiberius
>Legatus Legio XXI Rapax
>http://www.leg-xxi.org
>
>Tuus in Sodalicio Romanae Imperi

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Salve Illustrus Praetor et Amice!

It is worth a good deal that You value our efforts. Maybe now You can
see that I really try to lay the ground for some rules that we all
can be satisfied to play by. I admit that we may still find some
weaknesses in the proposal, but I assure You that those will be
corrected when I present the proposal to the Comitia for a vote.

Many in my Cohors have been involved with the work with this
proposal, foremost among them Honorable Aulus Apollonius Cordus and
Illustrus Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, but also _all_ the "others" in
"Officina Iuris et Rei Politicae" (Law and Politics office). Also
Honorable C. Iulius Scaurus has contributed a lot as is stated in the
preamble to the law.

Of course my friend I listen to other ideas. ;-) Let's hope that we
can continue to look for good compromises. Still I admit that we
differ in some points of view, but if we try to find a middle road,
we may build a stronger Nova Roma together. ;-)

>Salvete Cives,
>
>This is a brief note of thank you to Consul Fabius Quintilianus and
>his staff. Thank you for presenting another version of electoral
>reform for consideration, one which considered the views of the
>critics of the previous law and incorporates some of the ideas of the
>proposal presented by Iulius Scaurus.
>
>For what it's worth, I say well done!
>
>Valete,
>
>Decius Iunius Palladius

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

--- G�IVLIVS�SCAVRVS <gfr@...> wrote:
SNIP

>
> That is a concern which I share. On a relatively
> superficial level the
> tradoffs between historical accuracyand modernity
> are always going to
> be present and agrued about vehemently, sometimes to
> the point of
> cacophony. Yet the real problem I see with the
> "traditionalist" and
> "modernist" labels is that they miss almost entirely
> the fundamental
> historiographic conundrum.
>

The fight in Nova Roma isn't economic, nor does it
carry class overtones. This is why the historic labels
and the modern labels of left and right simply don't
fit.

The closest thing I can think of that Roma faced that
compares to our situation was the introduction of
Greek ideas into Roma during the Middle Republic. Cato
Censor vs. Scipio Africanus with Cato arguing against
the growing influance of Greek culture in Roma, while
Scipio promoted it. Even this falls short of the mark
because the conflict over Greek Culture was just a
small part of the political battle between thier
factons rather than the main point of contention.

I Use Modernist and Traditionalist for one simple
reason. The words "Modern" and "Tradition" occur
repeatedly in each sides arguments for why thier
viewpoint should be listened to. To an extent the
labels were self applied.


=====
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Salvete omnes:

Radio Finland's nuntii latini has a new expanded website. For those
with command of Latin, it is quite a treat. For the non-latin speakers,
they also got a link, among others, "The Classics Page" in which you can
see pictures of a reconstructed classical Rome. Check it out.

Gaius Galerius Peregrinator

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G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Thermae, Balneae, Balneum [Hot Springs, Baths, and
the Bath-House]":

http://www.noctes-gallicanae.org/Pompeii/balnea.htm

This site, a subset of Alain Canu's "Noctes Gallicanae" site, focuses
on the baths of Pompeii and their physical and social functions. The
site is in French and Latin, but may be read (at least the French
portions can be read) in English via Altavista's Babelfish machine
translation facility (with the usual caveats about the shortcomings of
machine translation) at http://world.altavista.com/.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Ave Saturnine,

while I'm not able to give the main information you asked below, I
can answer about Via Clodia. Actually it didn't end in Saturnia but
its path arrived to Cosa (modern Ansedonia) on the Tyrrenian sea to
reach the Via Aurelia. But remains of the road are visible on the
territory only from Rome to Saturnia, and its last miles the evidence
comes from Tavola Peutingeriana.

I was told you'll be present in Bologna in a few days for the
meeting, so it's a plasure to meet you there!

Vale

Marcus Iulius Perusianus
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Legatus Internis Rebus et Scriba ad historiam Italiae
--------------------------------------------------------------
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caius Curius Saturninus
<c.curius@w...> wrote:

> Salvete omnes,
>
> While examining a map of ancient Italy I noticed that there is

nicely

> named town of Saturnia in the central Italy (Via Clodia from Rome
> ends there?). This naturally brought up curiosity in me towards

that

> place.
>
> After consulting Barrington Atlas for Greek and Roman world I came

to

> question of the sources that it points out for this town:
>
> Does anyone has access to the following work:
> M. Torelli (ed.), Atlante dei siti archeologici della Toscana,
> Florence & Rome, 1992
>
> I would like to have copies of pages 561-563 either in Italian or
> preferably in English and I would appreciate very much if someone
> could help me with this.
>
> Valete,
> --
>
> Caius Curius Saturninus
>
> Accensus Superior Primus (Ductor Cohortis) Cohors Consulis CFQ
> Legatus Regionis Finnicae
> Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
> Praeses et Triumvir Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
>
> e-mail: c.curius@w...
> www.insulaumbra.com/regiofinnica
> www.insulaumbra.com/academiathules
> gsm: +358-50-3315279
> fax: +358-9-8754751

Does anyone know the exstant of the information of the Augustus
Probus 276-282 and the roman historian or ancient manuscripts that
involve his life time.

Salve,
As they say..."Those who don't know thier history are doomed to repeat it..."

Pat <pmcl@...> wrote:
My own take on this is that Rome's last war with Carthage was the fatal error.

It was a toxic war and a toxic victory, although it took time for the
poisons to course through the veins of Rome and to destroy the
Republic. Ironically, the war, in many ways, displayed the height of the
strength of the Republic. To survive Hannibal's many successes took vast
internal strength. It's hard to think of another society that has
displayed that much resilience in the face of overwhelming defeat.

The war destroyed the agricultural basis of the Roman Republic. By the end
of it, the Roman small farmers were essentially nothing but history. The
land had been ravaged, and the men drawn into the legions (in order to save
Rome from repeated defeats...). The patricians grew wealthy on the spoils
of the war--spoils only modestly shared (and through their hands...) with
the plebes. With their vast new wealth--in goods and gold, rather than in
land, as before--they bought up most of the ravaged (cheap) land, and
established the huge latifundia, populated by the many, many slaves created
by Rome's victory over Carthage and Macedon.

The social and economic realities that had underpinned the Republic from
its founding were mangled by the war, and victory didn't restore them, but
rather swept them away.

As I see it... it was all downhill from there onward. Oh, Rome grew, and
in many ways prospered. But the rot had set in.

Valete,
M. Umbrius Ursus


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Salve Drusilla,

Gaius and I are trying to send you some data but we noticed your
hotmail is inactive. Would you please contact the Lanian gens when
you have a chance.

Thanks,

PRIMOS GAIUS et QUINTUS

Ave,
Thanks for the compliment, it's not too many of my "off-topic" or Non-Nova Roma replies/comments that receive those. I guess it helps having a degree in political science. Sometimes with some of the comments on politics I read here in Nova Roma alone makes wish people knew moe about how it works. A great example is the electoral college. People feel their voice is not heard when a candidate for say the U.S. presidency had majority vote but does not win. Unoftunately those who voice that opinion in general fail to firstly know that is how the founding fathers set up our presidential system and secondly they fail to understand that the citizen is heard within the state then the state voices itself. It just erks me sometimes. but I'll cut this short so I don't wear your eyes. Again thank you.
Vale,
Quintus Cassius

quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@...> wrote:
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Quintus Cassius
<quintuscassius@y...> wrote:

>To fight that would just be another
> civil war, well maybe not war, but each state wants
> its voice heard and they will it is simply the nature
> of the system.

Since this goes way off topic, I'm sending it private.

Good observation about the Electorial College. Those that want to
get rid of it as an archaic relic forget the reason it was created in
the first place. Without it, Presidential candidates would
concentrate their campaigns on high population centers and write off
places like Cornfield, Nebraska. If Gore had won Tennessee instead
of Bush, the whole Florida Fiasco would have meant nothing since Gore
would have won the Electorial College.

Calvus


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What a great thought!
Wouldn't it be wonderful to not only excavate a site but to actually
restore it to its original form?
Visiting "ruins" is nice and all but the word itself implies the
fact - it is ruined, lol.
I would love to visit a "restoration".


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:

> Salve Cai,
>
> No, I'm not offended at all. Actually my wife is Mexican, part

Aztec

> and I am furious that the beautiful buildings and temples of Mexico
> were obliterated by conquistadors and replaced with churches as

well.

> What a beautiful historic sight Tenochetlan could have been! So I
> respect your point below as well.
>
> If I were a billion dollar man like Gates, I'd buy Pompeii and
> totally restore it to her grandeur and live there. Ancient Rome at
> her peak must have been a gem.
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Quintus
>
>
> SNip

Someone said vulgarity is a weak mind trying to express itself
forcefully.
Personally, I believe there is a time and a place for it.
Sometimes there really isn't another word that best defines a
personality or situation.
As in a movie called "From the hip" (with a famous cast of charaters
including Daren McGavin, Judd Nelson, Elizabeth Perkins, John Hurt
and Ray Walston to name a few) there is a side trial on the first
amendment right to allow the word "Asshole" to be admitted on the
record.
Regardless that the movie was fiction and hillariously funny in many
places as a drama, there are many places where educated, literate
people who can express themselves 7 different ways to Sunday will use
a vulgarity to express the proper connotation.
If someone here who is among the literately expressive who
dissagrees, please give me another word that really captures the
essence of "asshole" to disprove me.
LOL, quite the connundrum!


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:

> Salvete Marine et omnes,
>
> I missed that era but actually the site has greatly toned down with
> respect to foul language and insults. I find it a good back up for
> discussions when they go really off topic. So far I have been
> unscathed. (grin)
>
> I have mixed views about foul language and all. I know if I was to
> use it to my family friends and fellow Nova Romans I would

certainly

> be projecting myself as an uneducated, uncouth lout with an
> impoverished vocabulary. On the other hand if I slipped and told my
> my wife, friends or family for example to blank off, kiss my.. etc

it

> is certainly crude and disrespectful but is still a better way to

go

> than saying something very hurtful like you are totally

incompetent,

> wish I had never chosen you, your a cheat and liar, make my life
> miserable etc.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > The one time I looked at the Back Alley, it was full of
> > the most obscene, insulting, and reprehensible language
> > I've seen anywhere in Nova Roma. I have no wish to
> > repeat that experience. If I want gutter language, I can
> > visit a barracks easily enough.
> >
> > The Vedian Baths were a much better place to relax. I
> > miss Vedius, and his bathhouse.
> >
> > -- Marinus

Ave,

As far as political terms go, I think before taking offense to a use of a term we sit back and think about where the person who made the stement is from and what the meaning is to them and then to us. I can see an immediate offense to vulagrities, racial slurs, and other offensive language that either is intended to be offensive or targets a person by his race, ethinicity, and/or religion. Sometimes the previous listed three terms are blurred as they can overlap. For example, being Jewish describes both ones religion and ethnicity. Or at least that is the way some view the term and its context.

Political terms have different contexts in differnt places. The definition provided in a previous post for this string I agree and disagree with. I believe myself to be conservative when it comes to politics in the United States. I also would use the term Right Wing to describe such political groups/stances as Fascists/Nazi's but not Conservatives. I disgree with the definition on the fact that Conservatives stick to the current ways of wealth and inequality. In the United States it was Republicans who institutted the social policy of Welfare. I believe it was under the Nixon administration, correct me if I am wrong. However, they made an effort to relieve the poor and poor poor, as the extremes of poverty are labelled by sociologists, of their strife. Though I will consent that while assisting those who are impoverished they don't make much of an effort to even the inequalities of wealth. But the point I guess I am attempting to get across is not all
definitions are accurate and correct. It was after all a Communist, Gorbachev, who eventually undermined or at least brought to an end Soviet rule in the the former USSR. Now all former USSR provinces are free to govern themselves as they so choose. Though it certainly was not an immediate transition.

Vale,

Quintus Cassius


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Salve amice,

Its good to see your postings again. The more you post, the quicker
you're off moderation I think. I agree with what you say below.

Regards,

Quintus




-- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius"
<mballetta@h...> wrote:

> Someone said vulgarity is a weak mind trying to express itself
> forcefully.
> Personally, I believe there is a time and a place for it.
> Sometimes there really isn't another word that best defines a
> personality or situation.
> As in a movie called "From the hip" (with a famous cast of

charaters

> including Daren McGavin, Judd Nelson, Elizabeth Perkins, John Hurt
> and Ray Walston to name a few) there is a side trial on the first
> amendment right to allow the word "Asshole" to be admitted on the
> record.
> Regardless that the movie was fiction and hillariously funny in

many

> places as a drama, there are many places where educated, literate
> people who can express themselves 7 different ways to Sunday will

use

> a vulgarity to express the proper connotation.
> If someone here who is among the literately expressive who
> dissagrees, please give me another word that really captures the
> essence of "asshole" to disprove me.
> LOL, quite the connundrum!
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
> Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> > Salvete Marine et omnes,
> >
> > I missed that era but actually the site has greatly toned down

with

> > respect to foul language and insults. I find it a good back up

for

> > discussions when they go really off topic. So far I have been
> > unscathed. (grin)
> >
> > I have mixed views about foul language and all. I know if I was

to

> > use it to my family friends and fellow Nova Romans I would
> certainly
> > be projecting myself as an uneducated, uncouth lout with an
> > impoverished vocabulary. On the other hand if I slipped and told

my

> > my wife, friends or family for example to blank off, kiss my..

etc

> it
> > is certainly crude and disrespectful but is still a better way to
> go
> > than saying something very hurtful like you are totally
> incompetent,
> > wish I had never chosen you, your a cheat and liar, make my life
> > miserable etc.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Quintus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > The one time I looked at the Back Alley, it was full of
> > > the most obscene, insulting, and reprehensible language
> > > I've seen anywhere in Nova Roma. I have no wish to
> > > repeat that experience. If I want gutter language, I can
> > > visit a barracks easily enough.
> > >
> > > The Vedian Baths were a much better place to relax. I
> > > miss Vedius, and his bathhouse.
> > >
> > > -- Marinus

Salve,

"Someone said vulgarity is a weak mind trying to express itself
forcefully. Personally, I believe there is a time and a place for it. Sometimes there really isn't another word that best defines a personality or situation."

The above is very true. Though as I am interpretting it the first sentence is not always true and I believe the last sentence makes that clear. However there is a limit and if what you are going to say is going to cross that line it is simply best not to say anything and hold one's tongue. Simply put, discretion is advised.

Vale,

Quintus Cassius



"What we do in life, echoes in eternity"

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Hello my friend,
I have been Keeping mostly to the Religio Romana list but
interspersing posts here and there in the main list too- just keeping
an eye on the goings on, very active with the mock election and all -
very interesting.
Be well.



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:

> Salve amice,
>
> Its good to see your postings again. The more you post, the quicker
> you're off moderation I think. I agree with what you say below.
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus
>
>
>
>
> -- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius"
> <mballetta@h...> wrote:
> > Someone said vulgarity is a weak mind trying to express itself
> > forcefully.
> > Personally, I believe there is a time and a place for it.
> > Sometimes there really isn't another word that best defines a
> > personality or situation.
> > As in a movie called "From the hip" (with a famous cast of
> charaters
> > including Daren McGavin, Judd Nelson, Elizabeth Perkins, John

Hurt

> > and Ray Walston to name a few) there is a side trial on the first
> > amendment right to allow the word "Asshole" to be admitted on the
> > record.
> > Regardless that the movie was fiction and hillariously funny in
> many
> > places as a drama, there are many places where educated, literate
> > people who can express themselves 7 different ways to Sunday will
> use
> > a vulgarity to express the proper connotation.
> > If someone here who is among the literately expressive who
> > dissagrees, please give me another word that really captures the
> > essence of "asshole" to disprove me.
> > LOL, quite the connundrum!
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus

(Michael

> > Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> > > Salvete Marine et omnes,
> > >
> > > I missed that era but actually the site has greatly toned down
> with
> > > respect to foul language and insults. I find it a good back up
> for
> > > discussions when they go really off topic. So far I have been
> > > unscathed. (grin)
> > >
> > > I have mixed views about foul language and all. I know if I was
> to
> > > use it to my family friends and fellow Nova Romans I would
> > certainly
> > > be projecting myself as an uneducated, uncouth lout with an
> > > impoverished vocabulary. On the other hand if I slipped and

told

> my
> > > my wife, friends or family for example to blank off, kiss my..
> etc
> > it
> > > is certainly crude and disrespectful but is still a better way

to

> > go
> > > than saying something very hurtful like you are totally
> > incompetent,
> > > wish I had never chosen you, your a cheat and liar, make my

life

> > > miserable etc.
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Quintus
> > >

snip

Not to get too caught up in quoting and cliche' - discretion is the
better part of valor.

The best way I can put it is that there is Use and then there is
ABuse. Everything in moderation, find the happy medium.
There is a time and a place but as you say, there is a line that
should not be crossed.

The character of a person will determine the fine art of use or the
crass borishness of abuse. Momma always said, cream rises to the top.

Vale in Pax

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Quintus Cassius
<quintuscassius@y...> wrote:

>
> Salve,
>
> "Someone said vulgarity is a weak mind trying to express itself
> forcefully. Personally, I believe there is a time and a place for

it. Sometimes there really isn't another word that best defines a
personality or situation."

>
> The above is very true. Though as I am interpretting it the first

sentence is not always true and I believe the last sentence makes
that clear. However there is a limit and if what you are going to
say is going to cross that line it is simply best not to say anything
and hold one's tongue. Simply put, discretion is advised.

>
> Vale,
>
> Quintus Cassius
>
>
>
> "What we do in life, echoes in eternity"
>
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Ave,

"The best way I can put it is that there is Use and then there is ABuse. Everything in moderation, find the happy medium.
There is a time and a place but as you say, there is a line that should not be crossed."

Unfortunately sometimes there is no "happy medium" and that is when discretion should be used. But when dealing with diversity, and we certainly are here in Nova Roma just be glancing at all the provinces or modern nations (however you wish to look at it or label it) represented within our population, you are going to get a wealth of conflicting views and opinions. People interpret things and take things differently and that can unfotunately lead to heated arguments that eventually may cross that invisible line. So if no appropriate happy medium can be found then discretion is advised.

vale,

Quintus Cassius


"What we do in life, echoes in eternity"

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Salvete civis,

Nova Roma is currently conducting a mock election to determine the
feasiblity of the Consular proposal for Election Reform to avoid the
problem of run-off elections. This election format departs greatly
from what we are all used to seeing.

Changes:

Currently only ballots from Century 12 (The Centuria Praerogativia)
are being accepted as valid. The Centuria Praerogativia was chosen
at random from the 1st class centuries by Sr. Rogatorix Renata Corva
Cantrix.

Voting by the Centuria Praerogativia (century 12) began 17:00 Roman
Time on July 13th and will continue until 17:00 Roman Time on the
15th. During this time only votes cast by citizens registered in
Century 12 are being accepted as valid. If you have alredy voted and
are not in Century 12, your vote is considered invalid and you will
have to vote again later to have your vote considered valid. The
results of the Centuria Praerogativia period will be announced by one
of us Rogators within 12 hours of the close of the Centuria
Praerogativia period.

Voting for the remaining 1st Class Centuries (Centuries 1-26) will
commence at 5:01 AM Roman Time on July 16th and continue until 5:01
AM on July 18th. During that time only votes from Centuries 1 thru
26 will be considered valid. If you are in Century 12 and did not
vote during the Centuria Praerogativia period you may cast your vote
during this period. The resulting tally of the 1st class vote will
be announced during the 12 hour period by one of the Rogators.
(Keeping fingers crossed we can accomplish this task in the 12 hours
alloted).

Starting at 17:00 Roman Time on July 18 and continuing until midnight
Roman Time July 23 voters from centuries 27 and up will then be
considered valid. Votes from Centuries 1-26 received during this
period will not be considered valid.


It is very important to know what Century you are in and please check
your citizen profile before voting if you are not sure what Century
you are in. The Album Gentium can be found at

http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/gentes

From there you can scroll down the list of Gens until you find yours
(hint using the "find" feature on your web browser can come in real
handy) and click on the link with the # of people in your gens IE
for Gens Cassia "54 Civis", which will take you to a list of the
members of your gens. Find your name on the list and click that link
which will take you to your profile where you can see what Century
you are in. If you are NOT listed as being in any Century please
contact the Censors via censors@....


I thank you for your time and apologize for any inconvenience that
this major voting format change may have caused.

Valete,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Rogator

I've always found it best to give people the benefit of the doubt at
first; beginnings are a very delicate time - kind of like first
contact, lol, great allowances must be made for mutual understanding.
My ego can't be bruised (don't have one really).
I can't expect everyone to live up to my expectations of proper
conduct but in the real world you can only show someone the way and
not make them follow it.
I walk the way as example and if irritated can explain myself with
using abusive profanity and leave well enough alone - it take two to
tango, you can't get wet from the word "water".
Vale


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Quintus Cassius
<quintuscassius@y...> wrote:

>
> Ave,
>
> "The best way I can put it is that there is Use and then there is

ABuse. Everything in moderation, find the happy medium.

> There is a time and a place but as you say, there is a line that

should not be crossed."

>
> Unfortunately sometimes there is no "happy medium" and that is when

discretion should be used. But when dealing with diversity, and we
certainly are here in Nova Roma just be glancing at all the provinces
or modern nations (however you wish to look at it or label it)
represented within our population, you are going to get a wealth of
conflicting views and opinions. People interpret things and take
things differently and that can unfotunately lead to heated arguments
that eventually may cross that invisible line. So if no appropriate
happy medium can be found then discretion is advised.

>
> vale,
>
> Quintus Cassius
>
>
> "What we do in life, echoes in eternity"
>
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Salve Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius,

"I can't expect everyone to live up to my expectations of proper conduct but in the real world you can only show someone the way and not make them follow it. I walk the way as example and if irritated can explain myself with using abusive profanity and leave well enough alone - it take two to tango, you can't get wet from the word "water"."

--I myself feel that there are certain general standards as to what "proper conduct" is. However I also allow for some give in it as well. I don't believe in there is only one true way to be, act, or feel. Otherwise if that is the case then we would all be nothing more than automatons. That would then take away from the essence that makes us human.

I tend to be somewhat of a cultural relativist at times. Not everything is viewed in the same light worldwide. Most Americans jumped on the band wagon over "The War On Terrorism" and "Gulf II" but to provide an example I had a cousin in Ireland who has a good head on her shoulders tell me that President Bush was another Hitler. Europe likewise did not approve of our approach on Gulf II. Certain social actions are treated differently internationally. To westerners the Middle Eastern practice of severing a mans hand off may seem barbaric where he we might just sentence a man to a term in prison. It simply comes down to what is accepted. These are all issues that could individually be discussed and debated at length so I will stop the brief comparisons here.

But the point I am attempting to make is that everything is treated or looked at differently. Now you do have nations that tend to look at things the same. Such as the western world tends to share the same ideas, values, and principles. But the Mid East and Asia have differing values and beliefs on certain matters.

Another example maybe a man from the West calls an Arab man a savage for the practice of severing hands. Now while the comment is inappropriate and offensive to the Arab man if both men think about it, it is what is acceptable and what is not in each region. So an understanding can be reached that such a practice while acceptable in the Mid East does not make the Arab man a savage even though it is not accepted practice in the west. each culture has its own stance on matters.

Likewise people are all different and there is no one way to be. Give should be provided when dealing with people to allow for some differences. But likewise people should use discretion in commenting. You may believe this or that but that does not mean the next person will. Again just look at all the various modern nations represented in Nova Roma. Think of all the varying views. That is the best way I can put it or at least try and get what I'm trying to say across. 10 to 1 there is someone who can make the point better than I.

Vale,

Quintus Cassius






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A. Apollonius Cordus to Senator L. Sinicius Drusus and
all citizens and peregrines, greetings.

> I Use Modernist and Traditionalist for one simple
> reason. The words "Modern" and "Tradition" occur
> repeatedly in each sides arguments for why thier
> viewpoint should be listened to. To an extent the
> labels were self applied.

This is the second time you've said this in a week,
and I'm not convinced. Could you give some examples of
people who you consider 'modernists' and the messages
those people have written in which they support their
ideas by claiming that the ideas are 'modern' (or
synonyms)?

You see, Senator, I can't recall anyone who you've
called a 'modernist' who has accepted that label. So
at present I can't really agree that the labels have
been 'self-applied'; but perhaps you'd like to cite
some examples to persuade me.

Cordus

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Salvete Quirites,

Voting for the 12th Century *only* is still in progress. If you are
a member of the 12th century you have until 17:00 Roman on 15 July
to get your vote in so that it will be counted by the rogators when
they announce their first interim tally.

All other voters who are members of the First Class (centuries
1 through 26) will be able to vote after 0501 on 16 July.

Some eager, enthusiastic voters who are not members of the 12th
century have already tried to vote. Those ballots have been
discarded and will not be counted. You must vote during the
time when your century is allowed to vote if the vote is to
count. If you have already voted by mistake, just re-vote at
the right time.

If you're a member of a century in any of the other classes,
don't dispair! You too will get your turn later this week.

Thanks to those members of the 12th century who have already
voted. I appreciate your effort to vote early.

Valete,

-- Gn. Equitius Marinus
Presiding Magistrate for the Simulated Election

Salve Quintus Cassius who said in part

"In the United States it was Republicans who instituted the social policy of Welfare. I believe it was under the Nixon administration"

Uh it was something called the "Great Society" and we stated to spend money to end poverty ( over time it became trillions) under L. B. J ( ohnson). His war on poverty was the largest attempt in human history (Ok
maybe Communism was bigger) to take from people who produced and give it to those who do not.

Nixon did give us the EPA

Quintus Cassius also said in part

"It was after all a Communist, Gorbachev, who eventually undermined or at least brought to an end Soviet rule in the the former USSR. Now all former USSR provinces are free to govern themselves as they so choose. Though it certainly was not an immediate transition."

Actually it was a former "B" movie star, first rate politician and one of the top two statesmen of the twentieth century "who eventually undermined or at least brought to an end Soviet rule in the the former USSR. "

His name : Ronald Wilson Reagan.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

PS (The other great Statesmen of the twentieth century, Sir Winston Churchill )




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G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "The Trimalchio Font":

http://www.euronet.nl/~pimr/trimal.html

I try to provide links to cross-platform sites, but every once in
awhile by near religious devotion to Apple products (a devotion shared
by most palaeographers for the exceptional graphics capabilities which
PCs simply can't provide) compels me to point to resources for fellow
devotees. This is really quite a nice shareware capitalis rustica font
for Macs by Pim Rietbroek of Leiden.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

G. Iulius Scaurus salutem dicit.

Salve.

> Does anyone know the exstant of the information of the Augustus
> Probus 276-282 and the roman historian or ancient manuscripts that
> involve his life time.

Here is the relevant De Imperatoribus Romanis article on "Probus (276-
282 A.D.) and Rival Claimants (Proculus, Bonosus, and Saturninus) of
the 280s" by Robin McMahon (New York Univ.):

http://www.roman-emperors.org/probus.htm

It includes a bibliography of primary and secondary sources.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salve Iulius Scaurus,
wonderful font, but isn't there a PC version (TTF)?

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, GÂ¥IVLIVSÂ¥SCAVRVS <gfr@i...> wrote:
> G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.
>
> Avete, Quirites.
>
> Here's a link to "The Trimalchio Font":
>
> http://www.euronet.nl/~pimr/trimal.html
>
> I try to provide links to cross-platform sites, but every once in
> awhile by near religious devotion to Apple products (a devotion
shared
> by most palaeographers for the exceptional graphics capabilities
which
> PCs simply can't provide) compels me to point to resources for
fellow
> devotees. This is really quite a nice shareware capitalis rustica
font
> for Macs by Pim Rietbroek of Leiden.
>
> Valete, Quirites.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus

Franciscus Apulus Caesar wrote:

> wonderful font, but isn't there a
> PC version (TTF)?

Salve, Francisce Apule Caesar.

I did a quick conversion, which seems to work, and put it on the Thule
webserver. URL:

http://thule.novaroma.org/titus/Trimalchio-Normal.ttf

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.

Salve Marce,

I had wondered that where Via Clodia ends, most maps I have seen end
it to Saturnia, some carry it further. Thanks for this information
and I'll look also forward to see you at the Bologna! Also as a
scale-modeller I hope that you will have possibility to take the
siege of Alesia diodrama there with you!

Vale,

>Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:27:34 -0000
> From: "Marcus Iulius Perusianus" <m_iulius@...>
>Subject: Re: material request
>
>Ave Saturnine,
>
>while I'm not able to give the main information you asked below, I
>can answer about Via Clodia. Actually it didn't end in Saturnia but
>its path arrived to Cosa (modern Ansedonia) on the Tyrrenian sea to
>reach the Via Aurelia. But remains of the road are visible on the
>territory only from Rome to Saturnia, and its last miles the evidence
>comes from Tavola Peutingeriana.
>
>I was told you'll be present in Bologna in a few days for the
>meeting, so it's a plasure to meet you there!
>
>Vale
>
>Marcus Iulius Perusianus
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>Legatus Internis Rebus et Scriba ad historiam Italiae
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>AEQVAM MEMENTO REBVS IN ARDVIS SERVARE MENTEM
>
>
>--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caius Curius Saturninus
><c.curius@w...> wrote:
>> Salvete omnes,
>>
>> While examining a map of ancient Italy I noticed that there is
>nicely
>> named town of Saturnia in the central Italy (Via Clodia from Rome
>> ends there?). This naturally brought up curiosity in me towards
>that
>> place.
>>
>> After consulting Barrington Atlas for Greek and Roman world I came
>to
>> question of the sources that it points out for this town:
>>
>> Does anyone has access to the following work:
>> M. Torelli (ed.), Atlante dei siti archeologici della Toscana,
>> Florence & Rome, 1992
>>
>> I would like to have copies of pages 561-563 either in Italian or
>> preferably in English and I would appreciate very much if someone
>> could help me with this.
>>
> > Valete,

--

Caius Curius Saturninus

Accensus Superior Primus (Ductor Cohortis) Cohors Consulis CFQ
Legatus Regionis Finnicae
Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
Praeses et Triumvir Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.insulaumbra.com/regiofinnica
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:

> Actually it was a former "B" movie star, first rate politician and

one of the top two statesmen of the twentieth century "who eventually
undermined or at least brought to an end Soviet rule in the the
former USSR. "

>
> His name : Ronald Wilson Reagan.

I disagree. Pope John Paul II giving moral support to Polish
Solidarity keeping it alive through the darkest days of martial law
that cracked the Iron Curtain. Once the cracks formed nothing Gorby
could have done would have stopped it and all Ronnie did was go with
the flow and take credit for it.


Q. Cassius Calvus

Salve Saturnine,

well, hopefully I'll take the diorama at Bologna meeting....but I'm
just a neophyte at his first attempt! :-)

Also, there'll be a sign with the Latin writing which has inspired me
and that I have tried to represent:

VTRISQVE AD ANIMVM OCCVRRIT VNVM ESSE ILLVD TEMPVS, QVO MAXIME
CONTENDI CONVENIAT: GALLI, NISI PERFREGERINT MUNITIONES, DE OMNI
SALUTE DESPERANT; ROMANI, SI REM OBTINVERINT, FINEM LABORVM OMNIVM
EXPECTANT
C IVL Caesar, De Bello Gallico, Liber VII, LXXXV

vale
M IVL PERVSIANVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caius Curius Saturninus
<c.curius@w...> wrote:

> Salve Marce,
>
> I had wondered that where Via Clodia ends, most maps I have seen

end

> it to Saturnia, some carry it further. Thanks for this information
> and I'll look also forward to see you at the Bologna! Also as a
> scale-modeller I hope that you will have possibility to take the
> siege of Alesia diodrama there with you!
>
> Vale,
>
> >Message: 4
> > Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 10:27:34 -0000
> > From: "Marcus Iulius Perusianus" <m_iulius@v...>
> >Subject: Re: material request
> >
> >Ave Saturnine,
> >
> >while I'm not able to give the main information you asked below, I
> >can answer about Via Clodia. Actually it didn't end in Saturnia but
> >its path arrived to Cosa (modern Ansedonia) on the Tyrrenian sea to
> >reach the Via Aurelia. But remains of the road are visible on the
> >territory only from Rome to Saturnia, and its last miles the

evidence

> >comes from Tavola Peutingeriana.
> >
> >I was told you'll be present in Bologna in a few days for the
> >meeting, so it's a plasure to meet you there!
> >
> >Vale
> >
> >Marcus Iulius Perusianus
> >--------------------------------------------------------------
> >Legatus Internis Rebus et Scriba ad historiam Italiae
> >--------------------------------------------------------------
> >AEQVAM MEMENTO REBVS IN ARDVIS SERVARE MENTEM
> >
> >
> >--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caius Curius Saturninus
> ><c.curius@w...> wrote:
> >> Salvete omnes,
> >>
> >> While examining a map of ancient Italy I noticed that there is
> >nicely
> >> named town of Saturnia in the central Italy (Via Clodia from

Rome

> >> ends there?). This naturally brought up curiosity in me towards
> >that
> >> place.
> >>
> >> After consulting Barrington Atlas for Greek and Roman world I

came

> >to
> >> question of the sources that it points out for this town:
> >>
> >> Does anyone has access to the following work:
> >> M. Torelli (ed.), Atlante dei siti archeologici della Toscana,
> >> Florence & Rome, 1992
> >>
> >> I would like to have copies of pages 561-563 either in Italian

or

> >> preferably in English and I would appreciate very much if

someone

> >> could help me with this.
> >>
> > > Valete,
>
>
> --
>
> Caius Curius Saturninus
>
> Accensus Superior Primus (Ductor Cohortis) Cohors Consulis CFQ
> Legatus Regionis Finnicae
> Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
> Praeses et Triumvir Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
>
> e-mail: c.curius@w...
> www.insulaumbra.com/regiofinnica
> www.insulaumbra.com/academiathules
> gsm: +358-50-3315279
> fax: +358-9-8754751

So true Quintus, verily!
Clarification on one sentence (which thank heavan, you didn't catch,
lol):

if irritated can explain myself with using abusive profanity and
leave well enough alone
Should have been with OUT using abusive language, lol.

Your views are global and less narrow minded than many others, even
when they are knowledgable of other ways.
I have a minor in International Marketing which gave me very sobering
experience with global views and how ignorance can be extremely
detrimental but I was always open minded, accepting and willing to
give people the benefit of the doubt. True too that many have seen
my benevolent (hehe) attitude as a sign of weakness and make the
mistake of trying to take advantage of it - one persons right to
swing their arm stops when it invades my personal space so to speak -
people have learned the mistake of kicking sand on the nice guy - we
all don't finish last.
There isn't one true way to act or feel and yes, we would be
incredibly boring instead of the snowflake we are - we are unique -
just like everyone else, lol.
There is however, I see you agree, that there is a (standard isn't
the correct word) method (?) of behaviour for civilized people, to
act that though familiar is still respectful or vice versa - one
persons vulgarity is anothers common tongue - it is the intent behind
the words - hence no one got wet from the word water comment - like
sticks and stones may break my bones.......
Thos words are said with malicious intent therefore though they may
not break my bones, the intent to do harm was behind them and
inappropriate requiring a response of some kind not necessarily in
kind.
Non malicious though vulgar words were not meant to harm and should
be taken in context.
I do believe we are in agreement on the overall formalities if not on
the details of conduct.
I enjoyed this discussion and hope you have as well - and that there
are those who may have learned something by listening to us, lol.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Quintus Cassius
<quintuscassius@y...> wrote:

> Salve Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius,
>
> "I can't expect everyone to live up to my expectations of proper

conduct but in the real world you can only show someone the way and
not make them follow it. I walk the way as example and if irritated
can explain myself with using abusive profanity and leave well enough
alone - it take two to tango, you can't get wet from the
word "water"."

>
> --I myself feel that there are certain general standards as to

what "proper conduct" is. However I also allow for some give in it
as well. I don't believe in there is only one true way to be, act,
or feel. Otherwise if that is the case then we would all be nothing
more than automatons. That would then take away from the essence
that makes us human.

>
> I tend to be somewhat of a cultural relativist at times. Not

everything is viewed in the same light worldwide. Most Americans
jumped on the band wagon over "The War On Terrorism" and "Gulf II"
but to provide an example I had a cousin in Ireland who has a good
head on her shoulders tell me that President Bush was another
Hitler. Europe likewise did not approve of our approach on Gulf II.
Certain social actions are treated differently internationally. To
westerners the Middle Eastern practice of severing a mans hand off
may seem barbaric where he we might just sentence a man to a term in
prison. It simply comes down to what is accepted. These are all
issues that could individually be discussed and debated at length so
I will stop the brief comparisons here.

>
> But the point I am attempting to make is that everything is

treated or looked at differently. Now you do have nations that tend
to look at things the same. Such as the western world tends to share
the same ideas, values, and principles. But the Mid East and Asia
have differing values and beliefs on certain matters.

>
> Another example maybe a man from the West calls an Arab man a

savage for the practice of severing hands. Now while the comment is
inappropriate and offensive to the Arab man if both men think about
it, it is what is acceptable and what is not in each region. So an
understanding can be reached that such a practice while acceptable in
the Mid East does not make the Arab man a savage even though it is
not accepted practice in the west. each culture has its own stance
on matters.

>
> Likewise people are all different and there is no one way to

be. Give should be provided when dealing with people to allow for
some differences. But likewise people should use discretion in
commenting. You may believe this or that but that does not mean the
next person will. Again just look at all the various modern nations
represented in Nova Roma. Think of all the varying views. That is
the best way I can put it or at least try and get what I'm trying to
say across. 10 to 1 there is someone who can make the point better
than I.

>
> Vale,
>
> Quintus Cassius
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Salve

Ronnie and the AFL_ CIO (yes, yes the trade union) joined forces and spend the USSR onto the ash heap of history with military build up and covert help to the workers in Poland ( fax machines and other goodies that help keep Solidarity alive . Don't you think that Ronnie and the Pope talked just a little? . Pope an Roman Catholic church played big role. If Ronnie wasn't President and had not made the decision to actively try to bring the USSR down it would still be here in one form or another. Reagan made the decision to call the Soviets bluff and when ahead with placing Pershing 2 missiles in Europe. He also started to rebuild The American military , 600 ship navy etc Ronnie know that the Soviets could not keep pace with the US economically and so he spent them in to oblivion

Liberals will never give Reagan the credit he deserves, but history will.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: quintuscassiuscalvus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:33 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Traditionalist stolen and off topic


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:

> Actually it was a former "B" movie star, first rate politician and
one of the top two statesmen of the twentieth century "who eventually
undermined or at least brought to an end Soviet rule in the the
former USSR. "
>
> His name : Ronald Wilson Reagan.

I disagree. Pope John Paul II giving moral support to Polish
Solidarity keeping it alive through the darkest days of martial law
that cracked the Iron Curtain. Once the cracks formed nothing Gorby
could have done would have stopped it and all Ronnie did was go with
the flow and take credit for it.


Q. Cassius Calvus





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Salve,

After reading further commentary on the issue of the former USSR I will add that we can hopefully all agree that numerous factors went into the collapse of the USSR. from historically recorded facts that we are aware to that which we are not aware of due to secrecy. Inevitably it had to come from within and not without. This is either through reform or revolt. But again to each his own.

Vale,

Quintus Cassius


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Give credit? Don't you know that if we all hold hands and sing spiritual songs everything and everyone will be alright? If we all just sit down and talk no-one will attack our borders? If those darned police men were disarmed then the criminals would not be so aggressive, not to mention violent? If we would open up our borders maybe, just maybe people would stop coming? You see, when you tell people they can't do something, it makes them want to do it even faster...ask any liberal, they'll be glad to tell you all about it.
I feel much better now. Ob fidem reservatam.

Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
Salve

Ronnie and the AFL_ CIO (yes, yes the trade union) joined forces and spend the USSR onto the ash heap of history with military build up and covert help to the workers in Poland ( fax machines and other goodies that help keep Solidarity alive . Don't you think that Ronnie and the Pope talked just a little? . Pope an Roman Catholic church played big role. If Ronnie wasn't President and had not made the decision to actively try to bring the USSR down it would still be here in one form or another. Reagan made the decision to call the Soviets bluff and when ahead with placing Pershing 2 missiles in Europe. He also started to rebuild The American military , 600 ship navy etc Ronnie know that the Soviets could not keep pace with the US economically and so he spent them in to oblivion

Liberals will never give Reagan the credit he deserves, but history will.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: quintuscassiuscalvus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 7:33 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Traditionalist stolen and off topic


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:

> Actually it was a former "B" movie star, first rate politician and
one of the top two statesmen of the twentieth century "who eventually
undermined or at least brought to an end Soviet rule in the the
former USSR. "
>
> His name : Ronald Wilson Reagan.

I disagree. Pope John Paul II giving moral support to Polish
Solidarity keeping it alive through the darkest days of martial law
that cracked the Iron Curtain. Once the cracks formed nothing Gorby
could have done would have stopped it and all Ronnie did was go with
the flow and take credit for it.


Q. Cassius Calvus





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Salve Tiberius Galerius Paulinus,

"Actually it was a former "B" movie star, first rate politician and one of the top two statesmen of the twentieth century "who eventually undermined or at least brought to an end Soviet rule in the the former USSR. "

His name : Ronald Wilson Reagan."

--If I remember correctly Gorbachev start to institute reforms that started to take away from the true dictatorship nature of Leninist Communism. Now Reagan may have had influence in bringing this about but I disagree that Reagan "undermined" the Communist state. Reagan also may have been a good president however I disgaree and you most certainly are entitled to your opinion but the man was trying to make George Lucas's movie a reality...i.e. Star Wars. But politicians have their pros and cons and it is on how you want to rate them. Some say Clinton was a good president and others say he's a POS. Likewise for our current President. But before this goes even further off-topic I will end my bit here.

vale,

Quintus Cassius


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Salve Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius,
I certainly have enjoyed this conversation. Such forms of debate I thoroughly enjoy. I guess debating is a pleasure of mine....the price of studying Political Science. But the Criminal Justice mixed with Sociology also I believe has helped to add a broadened view while debating. While I may disagree with a view and have my own views on the person I will respect or try to for the most (unless it becomes heated which I try and avoid) to respect their stand point unless it violates what I believe to be a basic layout on how a civilized man/woman should act and conduct themselves. But again thank you and look forward to more rational discussions as debate can be more of a negative sometimes.
Vale!
Quintus cassius



"So true Quintus, verily!
Clarification on one sentence (which thank heavan, you didn't catch,
lol):

if irritated can explain myself with using abusive profanity and
leave well enough alone
Should have been with OUT using abusive language, lol.

Your views are global and less narrow minded than many others, even
when they are knowledgable of other ways.
I have a minor in International Marketing which gave me very sobering
experience with global views and how ignorance can be extremely
detrimental but I was always open minded, accepting and willing to
give people the benefit of the doubt. True too that many have seen
my benevolent (hehe) attitude as a sign of weakness and make the
mistake of trying to take advantage of it - one persons right to
swing their arm stops when it invades my personal space so to speak -
people have learned the mistake of kicking sand on the nice guy - we
all don't finish last.
There isn't one true way to act or feel and yes, we would be
incredibly boring instead of the snowflake we are - we are unique -
just like everyone else, lol.
There is however, I see you agree, that there is a (standard isn't
the correct word) method (?) of behaviour for civilized people, to
act that though familiar is still respectful or vice versa - one
persons vulgarity is anothers common tongue - it is the intent behind
the words - hence no one got wet from the word water comment - like
sticks and stones may break my bones.......
Thos words are said with malicious intent therefore though they may
not break my bones, the intent to do harm was behind them and
inappropriate requiring a response of some kind not necessarily in
kind.
Non malicious though vulgar words were not meant to harm and should
be taken in context.
I do believe we are in agreement on the overall formalities if not on
the details of conduct.
I enjoyed this discussion and hope you have as well - and that there
are those who may have learned something by listening to us, lol."






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Salve Marinus,

Congratulations to you, the Senior Consul and the Cohors Consulis for
organizing this mock election!!

But hey, I have one complaint: There was no female candidate for
Consul :-))

I have a question though and I hope that I didn't mess something up
when I voted. When I got my tracking number back the only thing names
listed were the candidates who I abstained to vote for.

For example:
Cornelia, mother of the Gracchi for Praetor: ABSTINEO

Is this how it is supposed to work? I expected to see the name of the
person that I did vote for. Answer when you can, I know that you must
be busy!

Vale!
Diana Moravia

Diana Moravia <spqr2756@...> writes:

> Salve Marinus,

Salve Diana!

> Congratulations to you, the Senior Consul and the Cohors Consulis for
> organizing this mock election!!

Thank you. I think that the Curator Araneae and the Rogators
really deserve the bulk of the credit though, along with a
particular "thank you" to Censor Octavius, who jumped in and
fixed some things which you mention later.

> But hey, I have one complaint: There was no female candidate for
> Consul :-))

The problem I had there is that a candidate for Consul has to
have held a curule magistracy, and unfortunately there's no
woman from Roma Antiqua who ever held such a magistracy. So
none of the historical women were qualified by our laws.

Since I had a specific request to make the election as
realistic as possible, I made sure that the candidates
met the qualifications for the offices.

> I have a question though and I hope that I didn't mess something up
> when I voted. When I got my tracking number back the only thing names
> listed were the candidates who I abstained to vote for.
>
> For example:
> Cornelia, mother of the Gracchi for Praetor: ABSTINEO
>
> Is this how it is supposed to work?

No, but it is how things happened for the first few voters.
Once the rogators saw what was happening, they notified me.
That's when Octavius jumped in, identified the problem with
the software modification that the Curator Araneae had made
to create the ballot, and got things running more smoothly.

In your case, I think the rogators have established a way
to count the people you actually voted for by eliminating
the ones you abstained from. Perhaps Senior Rogatrix Renata
Corva will have a chance to explain the matter more fully
to you later.

Vale,

-- Marinus

In a message dated 7/15/03 4:34:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
richmal@... writes:

> I disagree. Pope John Paul II giving moral support to Polish
> Solidarity keeping it alive through the darkest days of martial law
> that cracked the Iron Curtain. Once the cracks formed nothing Gorby
> could have done would have stopped it and all Ronnie did was go with
> the flow and take credit for it.
>

Actually we historians recognize that event in Poland, the freewheeling
American spending of defense, the War in Afghanistan and the subsequent rise of the
"Little Peoples" in the USSR all contributing. All had a direct impact. But
as you say, the cracks opened, and that was it. Gorby made the best of a bad
situation.

Q Fabius Maximus


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Ditto and Ibid to that!
We seemed to agree on most of the issues yet in agrreing it did seem
like a debate from the same side, lol. Must be your PS background
being dominant, LMAO!
Thanks again. Should be interesting on a topic we disagree on, huh?



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Quintus Cassius
<quintuscassius@y...> wrote:

> Salve Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius,
> I certainly

have enjoyed this conversation. Such forms of debate I thoroughly
enjoy. I guess debating is a pleasure of mine....the price of
studying Political Science. But the Criminal Justice mixed with
Sociology also I believe has helped to add a broadened view while
debating. While I may disagree with a view and have my own views on
the person I will respect or try to for the most (unless it becomes
heated which I try and avoid) to respect their stand point unless it
violates what I believe to be a basic layout on how a civilized
man/woman should act and conduct themselves. But again thank you and
look forward to more rational discussions as debate can be more of a
negative sometimes.

> Vale!
>

Quintus cassius

>
>
>
> "So true Quintus, verily!
> Clarification on one sentence (which thank heavan, you didn't

catch,

> lol):
>
> if irritated can explain myself with using abusive profanity and
> leave well enough alone
> Should have been with OUT using abusive language, lol.
>
> Your views are global and less narrow minded than many others, even
> when they are knowledgable of other ways.
> I have a minor in International Marketing which gave me very

sobering

> experience with global views and how ignorance can be extremely
> detrimental but I was always open minded, accepting and willing to
> give people the benefit of the doubt. True too that many have seen
> my benevolent (hehe) attitude as a sign of weakness and make the
> mistake of trying to take advantage of it - one persons right to
> swing their arm stops when it invades my personal space so to

speak -

> people have learned the mistake of kicking sand on the nice guy -

we

> all don't finish last.
> There isn't one true way to act or feel and yes, we would be
> incredibly boring instead of the snowflake we are - we are unique -
> just like everyone else, lol.
> There is however, I see you agree, that there is a (standard isn't
> the correct word) method (?) of behaviour for civilized people, to
> act that though familiar is still respectful or vice versa - one
> persons vulgarity is anothers common tongue - it is the intent

behind

> the words - hence no one got wet from the word water comment - like
> sticks and stones may break my bones.......
> Thos words are said with malicious intent therefore though they may
> not break my bones, the intent to do harm was behind them and
> inappropriate requiring a response of some kind not necessarily in
> kind.
> Non malicious though vulgar words were not meant to harm and should
> be taken in context.
> I do believe we are in agreement on the overall formalities if not

on

> the details of conduct.
> I enjoyed this discussion and hope you have as well - and that

there

> are those who may have learned something by listening to us, lol."
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "What we do in life, echoes in eternity"
>
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Ave Belisarius,

That oughtta be a doozy.....but fun.

"Ditto and Ibid to that!
We seemed to agree on most of the issues yet in agrreing it did seem
like a debate from the same side, lol. Must be your PS background
being dominant, LMAO!
Thanks again. Should be interesting on a topic we disagree on, huh?"



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Salvete Quirites,

The initial 48 hour interval for voting by the Centuria Praerogativa
is now over, and the Rogators are tabulating the results. Those
should be announced by 05:00 Roman time (11:00 pm Eastern US time).

Voting by all other centuries of the First Class shall begin at 05:01
Roman Time, 16 July and shall continue for 48 hours. During this time
any member of the Centuria Praerogativa who was unable to vote earlier
may vote.

The Rogators shall announce a running tally of the vote, indicating
only what positions each candidate is in, or ties if they exist,
within 12 hours of the close of exclusive voting by the First Class.

Voting by all remaining members of the Comitia Centuriata shall begin
at 17:01 Roman Time, 18 July and shall continue for the next four
days.

All voting shall end at 00:0 (12:00 am) Roman Time, 23 July.

-- Gn. Equitius Marinus

G. Iulius Scaurus T. Octavio Pio salutem dicit.

Salve, T. Octavi.

> Franciscus Apulus Caesar wrote:
> > wonderful font, but isn't there a
> > PC version (TTF)?
>
> Salve, Francisce Apule Caesar.
>
> I did a quick conversion, which seems to work, and put it on the Thule
> webserver. URL:
>
> http://thule.novaroma.org/titus/Trimalchio-Normal.ttf

Thank you very much for a bit of computer magic of which I am utterly
incapable. I am not certain of the protocol for this, but I should
probably remind those who will use the TTF form of its origin as Mac
shareware software and the terms of use set forth in the original
website should probably be followed. If I am wrong about this, please
let me know.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salvete Civis

Due to time constraints of 12 hours and time zone differences I am
posting an unofficial tally of the Centuria Praerogativa election
results. These numbers remain unofficial until the Senior Rogatorix
Renata Corva Cantrix certifies the tally.

Consul:
Lucius Aemilius Paulus Macedonius: 1
Lucius Iunius Brutus: 0
Marcus Porcius Cato Uticensis: 1
Marcus Tullius Cicero: 0
Gaius Marius: 1

Praetor:
Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus: 1
Marcus Iunius Brutus: 1
Cornelia, mother of the Gracchi: 2
Aurelia, mother of Caesar: 2

Valete,

Quintus Cassius Calvus
Rogator

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia" <spqr2756@y...>
wrote:

> I have a question though and I hope that I didn't mess something up
> when I voted. When I got my tracking number back the only thing

names

> listed were the candidates who I abstained to vote for.
>
> For example:
> Cornelia, mother of the Gracchi for Praetor: ABSTINEO
>
> Is this how it is supposed to work? I expected to see the name of

the

> person that I did vote for. Answer when you can, I know that you

must

> be busy!

Salve Diana,

There was a minor bug in the system where only the candidates a voter
did not chose were transmitted. As soon as we saw the Abstineo's and
no votes for any candidate, we knew something was wrong.

I ran a test ballot using my own voter code (since my vote didn't
count anyway) and determined that the candidates I voted for were not
being transmitted and only the ones I didn't vote for were being
transmitted as Abstineo.

Marinus and Octavius also ran test ballots confirming my results and
Octavius rechecked the program and determined that it was indeed the
case and fixed the problem. Since we (the Rogatores) are able to
determine voter intent by process of elimination we were not forced
to call things off and start over. Fortunately we were only dealing
with a maximum of 1 century's votes so it wasn't quite a Florida
Fiasco. <G>

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

--- G�IVLIVS�SCAVRVS <gfr@...> wrote:

> G. Iulius Scaurus T. Octavio Pio salutem dicit.
>
> Salve, T. Octavi.
>
> > Franciscus Apulus Caesar wrote:
> > > wonderful font, but isn't there a
> > > PC version (TTF)?
> >
> > Salve, Francisce Apule Caesar.
> >
> > I did a quick conversion, which seems to work, and
> put it on the Thule
> > webserver. URL:
> >
> >
>

http://thule.novaroma.org/titus/Trimalchio-Normal.ttf

>
> Thank you very much for a bit of computer magic of
> which I am utterly
> incapable. I am not certain of the protocol for
> this, but I should
> probably remind those who will use the TTF form of
> its origin as Mac
> shareware software and the terms of use set forth in
> the original
> website should probably be followed. If I am wrong
> about this, please
> let me know.
>
> Vale.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus
>

It is permisible to do a conversion for your own
personal use. The font is copyrighted however so it is
a violation of international copyright law to
distrubite it in either it's original or modified form
without the permission of the copywrite holder.

If the downloaded file included permission to
distrubite the file, this would only cover the
original Mac version, Not any modified versions, and
permission of the copywrite holder would still be
needed.


=====
L. Sicinius Drusus

Roman Citizen

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G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Avete, Quirites.

Given the upcoming gathering in Europe, I think it might be useful to
have a link to "Il Museo Archeologico di Bologna [The Arhcaeological
Museum of Bologna]":

http://www.comune.bologna.it/bologna/Musei/Archeologico/

This is the museum's webpage with links to its major collections -- of
most interest are likely to be the Etruscan and Roman sections. The
site is primarily in Italian (with some English translation), but may
be read via Altavista's Babelfish machine translation facility (with
the usual caveats about the shortcomings of machine translation) at
http://world.altavista.com/.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

GÂ¥IVLIVSÂ¥SCAVRVS wrote:

> Thank you very much for a bit of computer
> magic of which I am utterly incapable. I am
> not certain of the protocol for this, but I
> should probably remind those who will use
> the TTF form of its origin as Mac shareware
> software and the terms of use set forth in
> the original website should probably be
> followed. If I am wrong about this, please
> let me know.

Salve, Gai Iuli Scaure.

I've e-mailed the owner, but I'm really not expecting any answers. The
page hasn't been updated since '98, so the chance of the contact info
still being current is rather small. Anyway, the original license on his
page says "send me $25 if you intend to use it for more than 4 weeks",
so I'll take a guess that the same applies for the PC-version. Free use
for 4 weeks, after that delete it or send him cash.

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.

Salve Iulius Scaurus,

the museum of Bologna is very beautiful ad rich. There are several
exciting etruscan objects (bologna was an important etruscan centre)
and teh more interesting sections are the roman and egyptian.

During the Nova Roman Meeting will visit it at 3th August.
Illustrus Solaris Gallus, expert of archeology, drive us in an
archeological tour of the city. There are several roman ruins like a
mitreo under the winderful Church of Santo Stefano, part of Via
Emilia, the pavement of the forum, etc. And again a lot of etruscan
ruins, very very interesting.
I hope to publish in the wet after the meeting a little video of the
event.

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, GÂ¥IVLIVSÂ¥SCAVRVS <gfr@i...> wrote:
> G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.
>
> Avete, Quirites.
>
> Given the upcoming gathering in Europe, I think it might be useful
to
> have a link to "Il Museo Archeologico di Bologna [The
Arhcaeological
> Museum of Bologna]":
>
> http://www.comune.bologna.it/bologna/Musei/Archeologico/
>
> This is the museum's webpage with links to its major collections --
of
> most interest are likely to be the Etruscan and Roman sections.
The
> site is primarily in Italian (with some English translation), but
may
> be read via Altavista's Babelfish machine translation facility
(with
> the usual caveats about the shortcomings of machine translation)
at
> http://world.altavista.com/.
>
> Valete, Quirites.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus

Salvete cives,

I had a few problems with hotmail.

Please resend me the messages.



Ho avuto problemi con il hotmail.

Prego rinciare i mail.


He tenido problemas con hotmail.

Ruego reenviar mensages.


Thanks, Grazie, Gracias

Vale,

M. Adr. Complutensis

Salve Marce Adriani,

> I had a few problems with hotmail.
>
> Please resend me the messages.

You can read the archives at your leisure by going to link
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus.

Salvete Quirites,

A reminder that voting by all members of the First Class
centuries (centuries 1 through 26) is now in progress.
If you are a member of centuries 1 through 26 please make
every effort to vote before 05:00 Roman time 18 July. That's
the cutoff time after which the rogators will make their
second announcement of how the vote is proceeding.

Citizens in centuries 27 through 89 will be permitted to
vote after 17:01 Roman time, 18 July continuing for
four days.

Valete,

-- Gn. Equitius Marinus

Salvete

While visiting IMDB I found the page for the Asterix and Obelix movie -
Asterix and Obelix:Mission Cleopatra. It features Monica Bellucci from
Matrix Reloaded as Cleopatra. While not historically accurate, she would be
my choice for the best looking Cleopatra. Unless of course, the lovelty and
talented Jennifer Love Hewitt decided to take that role.

Most interesting, it features a song on the soundtrack by Snoop Dogg and two
French rappers. I listened to it and it isn't half bad. I'm not a big fan
of French music, being Canadian and inundated with bad MOR artists like
Celine Dion and Roce Voisine. Incidently, I think this was the movie that
was outselling Star Wars II in Quebec. They were released at the same time
last summer.

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Salvete,

I'm slightly confused. How many candidates can I vote
for? I thought I could vote yes to as many candidates
as I liked but the voting screen says to vote only for
each office.

Valete

Decimus Iunius Silanus

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Decimus Iunius Silanus <danedwardsuk@...> writes:

> Salvete,
>
> I'm slightly confused. How many candidates can I vote
> for? I thought I could vote yes to as many candidates
> as I liked but the voting screen says to vote only for
> each office.

Salve Decimus Iunius,

You may vote for as many candidates as you wish. The
cista webpage needs to be corrected. I'll write to the
webmaster and ask that it be fixed. But you should be able
to check "yes" next to all the names you want to vote for
already.

Vale,

-- Marinus

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Hispania provincial rally in Tarraco. My collega, Praetor D. Iunius
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Great name for a movie - I love it but never heard of it before.
Reminds me of the Idiot and the Oddity about the Trojan war, lol.
I may be a little old fashioned; I still like Liz Taylor as Cleo -
timeless regal beauty and stature. It would be interesting to
speculate on who today would make a good Cleopatra were we to be
screening for the cast.
Kim Catrall has that certain je' ne c'est qua at first thought but I
would need to give this a lot of thought.
While I have a high tollerance my many forms of music (ecclectic
taste from Opera to Kitaro to oldies and Pop, rock, country etc. and
I like Celine Dion) I can't stomach rap - can't consider it music;
more like noise that sets my teeth on edge like a dentist's drill.
Sugar hill gang from years ago had rappers delight and I could listen
to one or 2 by Vanilla Ice but that was long ago.

Thanks for the info - must check it out.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa"
<vipsaniusagrippa@h...> wrote:

> Salvete
>
> While visiting IMDB I found the page for the Asterix and Obelix

movie -

> Asterix and Obelix:Mission Cleopatra. It features Monica Bellucci

from

> Matrix Reloaded as Cleopatra. While not historically accurate, she

would be

> my choice for the best looking Cleopatra. Unless of course, the

lovelty and

> talented Jennifer Love Hewitt decided to take that role.
>
> Most interesting, it features a song on the soundtrack by Snoop

Dogg and two

> French rappers. I listened to it and it isn't half bad. I'm not a

big fan

> of French music, being Canadian and inundated with bad MOR artists

like

> Celine Dion and Roce Voisine. Incidently, I think this was the

movie that

> was outselling Star Wars II in Quebec. They were released at the

same time

> last summer.
>
> Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
>
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Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius <mballetta@...> writes:

> It would be interesting to
> speculate on who today would make a good Cleopatra were we to be
> screening for the cast.

Natalie Portman?

-- Marinus

Good choice. She would bring a different perpective to the role of Cleo. But who would you cast as Caesar and Antony?
Livia Iulia Caesaria

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius <mballetta@...> writes:

> It would be interesting to
> speculate on who today would make a good Cleopatra were we to be
> screening for the cast.

Natalie Portman?

-- Marinus

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Earlier, I'd suggested Natalie Portman to play Cleopatra.

Livia Iulia Caesaria replied:

> Good choice. She would bring a different perpective to the role of Cleo.
> But who would you cast as Caesar and Antony?

For Caesar, the guy who played Lord Peter Wimsey in the BBC
made for TV movies. He's blond, he's tall, he has a long
nose: Ian Carmichael. Here's a reference page for him:

http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/PersonDetail/personid-133403

He also has the wonderful, slightly self-depracating sense of
humor that made Caesar so popular *and* he also has the high
voice. Unfortunately he's getting on in years and wouldn't
be near as convincing a Caesar now as he'd have been in the
1970's when he was playing Lord Peter Wimsey. However,
Kenneth Branagh *is* the right age, and while he doesn't
look as much like Caesar, a little makeup does wonders.

For Antony I'm inclined to suggest Jack Nicholson. He's
really too old now, being in his mid-60's, but he'd have
the hard-bitten ruthlessness I associate with Antony.
If you'd prefer someone younger, perhaps Bruce Willis?

-- Marinus

Salvete Quirites,

Following up to my earlier post:

> Decimus Iunius Silanus had asked:

> > I'm slightly confused. How many candidates can I vote
> > for? I thought I could vote yes to as many candidates
> > as I liked but the voting screen says to vote only for
> > each office.

I replied:

> You may vote for as many candidates as you wish. The
> cista webpage needs to be corrected. I'll write to the
> webmaster and ask that it be fixed.

The webmaster informs me that the text will not change until
a complete rewrite of the cista software is accomplished.
*That* will only happen if the Lex Fabia currently being
tested is in fact enacted into law.

What this means for everyone voting in the current
simulated election is that you should ignore the portion
of text on the cista page that says:

"Vote for one candidate for each office. If you prefer not to vote for any,
select "ABSTINEO" instead. You may also vote for a "write-in" candidate by
writing his or her name in the space provided and checking the "write-in"
checkbox"

In fact, no write-in's are being allowed and you may vote for as
many of the candidates listed as you wish.

I'm told that the warning text is generated by the underlying
code, and is based on instructions in the currently applicable
law. So until the law changes, the text will not change.

Valete,

-- Marinus

A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
greetings.

At 1500 (British Summer Time) on Sunday 20th July BBC
Radio 4 will be airing the first of three dramatized
renditions of Seutonius' lives of Caesar, Augustus and
Caligula. It lasts an hour, and will be repeated at
2100 BST the following Saturday.

The trailer sounds quite good, and Radio 4 is usually
good quality.

Radio 4 is on 92 to 95 FM and 198 LW in the UK, and
can also be heard over the internet at:
www.bbc.co.uk/radio4

I'm also listening as I type to a programme on the BBC
World Service about the water-systems of Rome and
Constantinople, but it's slightly short notice for
that one I'm afraid.

Cordus

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greetings.

I forgot to mention that you can listen to a recording
of the programme for up to seven days after the
broadcast using the 'listen again' feature at the BBC
website (URL given in last message).

Enjoy.

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Salvete Corde et Quirites;
Many thanks for the heads up & this civis from Hibernia will be
tuning in, after recovering from being up all night
watching "Cleopatra" (1999) on Sky.
Valete, Urania Calidia Antonina

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<a_apollonius_cordus@y...> wrote:

> A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
> greetings.
>
> I forgot to mention that you can listen to a recording
> of the programme for up to seven days after the
> broadcast using the 'listen again' feature at the BBC
> website (URL given in last message).
>
> Enjoy.
>
> Cordus
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Salvete Quirites,

Once again, the specific text from the proposed new voting law:

'You may vote for as many candidates as you wish, but you are
advised to vote only for those candidates you strongly support'.

If the proposal is adopted and becomes law, then that statement
will appear at the top of your ballot. When you go to vote,
please remember that we're testing this process that allows
multiple votes, and disregard the current text appearing at
the top of your ballot.

Valete,

-- Marinus

Natalie Portman opposite Patrick "Sejanus" Stewart as Caesar

and Rocco Siffredi as Marcus Antonius
McCauley Caulken as Octavian
Angelina Jolie as Portia
Crispin Glover as Cato
Adam Corola as Agrippa

Who plays Asterix and Obelix in the movies?

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G�rard Depardieu as Obelix and Christian Clavier as Asterix

>From: "Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus" <ahenobarbus@...>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Cleopatra and Snoop Dogg
>Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:23:37 -0700
>
>Natalie Portman opposite Patrick "Sejanus" Stewart as Caesar
>
>and Rocco Siffredi as Marcus Antonius
>McCauley Caulken as Octavian
>Angelina Jolie as Portia
>Crispin Glover as Cato
>Adam Corola as Agrippa
>
>Who plays Asterix and Obelix in the movies?
>
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On Mon, Jul 07, 2003 at 06:46:46PM +0200, Diana Moravia Aventina wrote:

> Salvete citizens,
> Salve C Minucius Scaevola,

Salve, Diana!

> After thinking long and hard this weekend, I would like to retract my
> petition against C Minucius Scaevola and instead offer my apologies. Why?
> Honestly I was mad for about 48 hours which is a record for me. And then
> once I cooled off I realized that I was being a hypocrite. I have often said
> here that when a person is in an elected office they have to expect
> criticism and to be a bit under a microscope by the citizenry. And now when
> Scaevola criticized me I got angry and screamed like a baby. This was
> totally hypocrital of me and I feel rather silly now for getting angy in the
> first place.
>
> Anyway, C Minucius Scaevola: Please accept my apologies for getting angry
> with you at all. I am sorry for the petition, everything that I said in my
> petition and everything that I said afterwards. I was angry and being a
> jerk. Not the first time, but I hope that it is the last time. After
> reading the archives I see that many many people got nasty that week.
> However I admit that I didn't read through their emails like I always read
> yours (there is actually a compliment in there...). Anyway, you don't need
> to apologize to me-- it's ok. You're entitled to you opinion, but I do hope
> that by the end of this year your opinion of me will have changed :-)

Diana, your gracious apology is accepted with the greatest good will, no
rancor, and a bow with a fancy flourish. If I may volley your compliment
(I've been playing a lot of tennis this past week), I always pay close
attention to your posts as well - and for much the same reasons. My
general opinion of you has never been particularly negative: I may not
agree with specific things that you do on occasion, but it would take
much more than a single disagreement for me to really think badly of
you.

However, don't let any of that stop you from doing whatever great things
you were planning. I'll be one of the folks cheering you on. :)


Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Dictum, factum.
Said and done.
-- Terence, "Heautontimorumenos"

Salvete,

I'll be in Athens from today through July 25 on
and will be out of email contact.

Valete!
Diana Moravia Aventina
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Diana Moravia <spqr2756@y...> wrote:

> Salvete,
>
> I'll be in Athens from today through July 25 on
> and will be out of email contact.
>
> Valete!
> Diana Moravia Aventina
> Tribunus Plebis

Safe trip, have fun!


Palladius

Vale bene Diana,

Don't mix the Greek anise liquor (Sambuca) with Greek wine. Take it
from an expert; its 10x worse than a Jack Daniel's hangover!

Quintus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@t...> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Diana Moravia <spqr2756@y...>
wrote:
> > Salvete,uintus
> >
> > I'll be in Athens from today through July 25 on
> > and will be out of email contact.
> >
> > Valete!
> > Diana Moravia Aventina
> > Tribunus Plebis
>
>
> Safe trip, have fun!
>
>
> Palladius

G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Potsherd:The Atlas of Roman Pottery":

http://www.potsherd.uklinux.net/index.php

This site, created by Paul Tyers, is an essential resource on Roman
period pottery and ceramics in Britain and Western Europe, including
databases. bibliographies, sherd scans, tools for pottery
classification, notes on sites of pottery production, and links. The
site is available in English, French, German, Italian, Spanish, and
Portuguese.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salvete omnes,

After a 2 week trip to the roman sites of Massilia, Taurominium and
Carthage, which is really 'delenda' we are back in town again.

This weekend we look forward to Romandays in 'Bad G�gging' (Germany)
and hope to meet some NR friends.

Valete bene, TiAnO and his wife Roscia Annaea Pia

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Welcome back!

>Salvete omnes,
>
>After a 2 week trip to the roman sites of Massilia, Taurominium and
>Carthage, which is really 'delenda' we are back in town again.
>
>This weekend we look forward to Romandays in 'Bad G–gging' (Germany)
>and hope to meet some NR friends.
>
>Valete bene, TiAnO and his wife Roscia Annaea Pia
>
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>
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>Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Salve Quintus and Diana,

sorry, but sambuca is italian and not greek, it's produced by
Molinari. The greek anise liquor is the Ouzo, a very good drink ...
but I agree, it's very strong. more than jack daniel's.
If you go in some good drink-bar or in a beach-bar, try a mix of
ouzo and soda, it's very fresh but very strong ... ;-)
The greek wine is very good, not like the italian or french, but
very good. The taste is of friut, sweet wine.

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:

> Vale bene Diana,
>
> Don't mix the Greek anise liquor (Sambuca) with Greek wine. Take

it

> from an expert; its 10x worse than a Jack Daniel's hangover!
>
> Quintus
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@t...>

wrote:

> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Diana Moravia <spqr2756@y...>
> wrote:
> > > Salvete,uintus
> > >
> > > I'll be in Athens from today through July 25 on
> > > and will be out of email contact.
> > >
> > > Valete!
> > > Diana Moravia Aventina
> > > Tribunus Plebis
> >
> >
> > Safe trip, have fun!
> >
> >
> > Palladius

Salve Apule,

Yes it is an Italian drink but it is served in all the Greek
restaurants and bars here as a shooter along with Metaxa. You have
it poured down your throat from a soft flask.

Years ago I went to confession and told the priest that I had partied
a little too much. He said to be careful as alcohol was a demon that
crreps up on you slowly. For your penance he said, say 10 hail
Mary's, drink a bottle of Greek wine and 10 shots of sambuca or ouzo.
Quintus never sinned again for a long time!

Quintus




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Franciscus Apulus Caesar"
<sacro_barese_impero@l...> wrote:

> Salve Quintus and Diana,
>
> sorry, but sambuca is italian and not greek, it's produced by
> Molinari. The greek anise liquor is the Ouzo, a very good drink ...
> but I agree, it's very strong. more than jack daniel's.
> If you go in some good drink-bar or in a beach-bar, try a mix of
> ouzo and soda, it's very fresh but very strong ... ;-)
> The greek wine is very good, not like the italian or french, but
> very good. The taste is of friut, sweet wine.
>
> Vale
> Fr. Apulus Caesar
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
> Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> > Vale bene Diana,
> >
> > Don't mix the Greek anise liquor (Sambuca) with Greek wine. Take
> it
> > from an expert; its 10x worse than a Jack Daniel's hangover!
> >
> > Quintus
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@t...>
> wrote:
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Diana Moravia <spqr2756@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > > Salvete,uintus
> > > >
> > > > I'll be in Athens from today through July 25 on
> > > > and will be out of email contact.
> > > >
> > > > Valete!
> > > > Diana Moravia Aventina
> > > > Tribunus Plebis
> > >
> > >
> > > Safe trip, have fun!
> > >
> > >
> > > Palladius

Salvete,

Ah, I never heard back from Diana. I'm afraid I was a little too
late. May the god Bacchus help and protect her!

Quintus

She's pretty and young but I never saw her act.

Would have to be a class act as well as the look and the things they
can do with makeup today would rely less on physical features when I
think about it.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@c...> wrote:

> Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius <mballetta@h...> writes:
>
> > It would be interesting to
> > speculate on who today would make a good Cleopatra were we to be
> > screening for the cast.
>
> Natalie Portman?
>
> -- Marinus

Hmmmm - Leo Di Caprio, Antonio Sabato Jr, Antonio Be\anderas or maybe
Brad Pit for Antony.
Patric Stewart has great potential for a Ceasar.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Melissa Bumgarner
<snowwhite2319@y...> wrote:

> Good choice. She would bring a different perpective to the role of

Cleo. But who would you cast as Caesar and Antony?

> Livia Iulia Caesaria
>
> Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@c...> wrote:
> Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius <mballetta@h...> writes:
>
> > It would be interesting to
> > speculate on who today would make a good Cleopatra were we to be
> > screening for the cast.
>
> Natalie Portman?
>
> -- Marinus
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Whoa!
Good choices and we agree on Stewart - already posted that before I
read this.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus"
<ahenobarbus@h...> wrote:

> Natalie Portman opposite Patrick "Sejanus" Stewart as Caesar
>
> and Rocco Siffredi as Marcus Antonius
> McCauley Caulken as Octavian
> Angelina Jolie as Portia
> Crispin Glover as Cato
> Adam Corola as Agrippa
>
> Who plays Asterix and Obelix in the movies?
>
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Safe journey - regards to the Acropolis and have an Ouzo for me.
If you get time to party - go to Mykonos.
Yasu!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Diana Moravia <spqr2756@y...> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> I'll be in Athens from today through July 25 on
> and will be out of email contact.
>
> Valete!
> Diana Moravia Aventina
> Tribunus Plebis
>
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Ciao' Piasano.
Mi piace Ouzo ma Sambucca, mi piace piu meglio e Strega e il piu
migliore!
Non ho avuto mai il vino Grecco e prefero un vino secco invece di
dolce salco che e' un vino da dessert doppo la cena.

I like ouzo but Sambucca is better and Strega is the best.
I've never had Greek wine but prefer dry wine instead of sweet
unless it's a dessert wine after dinner.
Ci Veddiamo

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Franciscus Apulus Caesar"
<sacro_barese_impero@l...> wrote:

> Salve Quintus and Diana,
>
> sorry, but sambuca is italian and not greek, it's produced by
> Molinari. The greek anise liquor is the Ouzo, a very good drink ...
> but I agree, it's very strong. more than jack daniel's.
> If you go in some good drink-bar or in a beach-bar, try a mix of
> ouzo and soda, it's very fresh but very strong ... ;-)
> The greek wine is very good, not like the italian or french, but
> very good. The taste is of friut, sweet wine.
>
> Vale
> Fr. Apulus Caesar
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
> Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> > Vale bene Diana,
> >
> > Don't mix the Greek anise liquor (Sambuca) with Greek wine. Take
> it
> > from an expert; its 10x worse than a Jack Daniel's hangover!
> >
> > Quintus
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@t...>
> wrote:
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Diana Moravia <spqr2756@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > > Salvete,uintus
> > > >
> > > > I'll be in Athens from today through July 25 on
> > > > and will be out of email contact.
> > > >
> > > > Valete!
> > > > Diana Moravia Aventina
> > > > Tribunus Plebis
> > >
> > >
> > > Safe trip, have fun!
> > >
> > >
> > > Palladius