Salvete,

Moravius Laureatus has the right idea! Real, physical world
doings is the way to keep the ball rolling. Now, when are some of
you moving to Hawaii so we can have some nice dinners? Hmm?

Valete,
Annia Octavia Indagatrix

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cornelius Moravius Laureatus
Armoricus" <laureatusarmoricus@t...> wrote:

> Salvete Vare et omnes,
>
> Dixit :
> >
> > I for one think the people would like to get something more real

by

> > getting to actually touch a piece of paper; so they feel like

they

> > are getting something real for their tax-money. I could be

wrong,

> but
> > thus far our polling in Ameica Boreoccidentalis shows that
> essentialy
> > we would like something more real than a virtual online

community.

> >
> > C. Livius Varus Germanicus
>
> Respondeo :
>
> This is music to my ears ! It is about time we address the issue

of

> real life : NR will only be as real as we make it; electronic

blips

> do not amount to much in terms of statehood and other historical
> pursuits.
> The road will be long and arduous but we have to start somewhere.
>
> Valete
>
> Moravius Laureatus

ok, Hawaii sucks....

-Annia Minucia Sempronia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "aoctaviaindagatrix"
<bryanta003@h...> wrote:

> Salvete,
>
> Moravius Laureatus has the right idea! Real, physical world
> doings is the way to keep the ball rolling. Now, when are some of
> you moving to Hawaii so we can have some nice dinners? Hmm?
>
> Valete,
> Annia Octavia Indagatrix
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cornelius Moravius Laureatus
> Armoricus" <laureatusarmoricus@t...> wrote:
> > Salvete Vare et omnes,
> >
> > Dixit :
> > >
> > > I for one think the people would like to get something more

real

> by
> > > getting to actually touch a piece of paper; so they feel like
> they
> > > are getting something real for their tax-money. I could be
> wrong,
> > but
> > > thus far our polling in Ameica Boreoccidentalis shows that
> > essentialy
> > > we would like something more real than a virtual online
> community.
> > >
> > > C. Livius Varus Germanicus
> >
> > Respondeo :
> >
> > This is music to my ears ! It is about time we address the issue
> of
> > real life : NR will only be as real as we make it; electronic
> blips
> > do not amount to much in terms of statehood and other historical
> > pursuits.
> > The road will be long and arduous but we have to start somewhere.
> >
> > Valete
> >
> > Moravius Laureatus

In a message dated 8/26/03 12:33:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
laureatusarmoricus@... writes:

> While reading Mommsen, I came across his analysis of the origin of the
> Republican senate. According to him (he said that he followed ancient
> texts), I quote, "out of 300 of its members (the senate of the early
> republic) only the lesser half was still composed of full citizens or
> fathers (patres); 164 seats belonged to the new comers and were registered
> as such (conscripti)."
> Mommsen goes on in saying that when addressing the Senate, the sentence
> "Patres [et] conscripti" was used (please note the [et]).

Salvete
This was drawn from Livius and Dionysios. The problem is that we don't know
where they are getting their information and who is copying who.

>
> Intrigued by this paragraph I reached for my copy of Cornell's "The
> beginnings of Rome" for more information (p247).
> Cornell agrees with Mommsen here when he states : "We know that, from very
> early times, it (the senate) consisted of two groups, the patres and the
> conscripti. The formal designation was patres conscripti or patres et
> conscripti."
> Although some experts take conscripti as an adjective, Cornell dismisses the
> idea and argues that "tradition treats the conscripti as separate from the
> patres...[and]...the formula used to summon the senate called upon those who
> are fathers and those who are enrolled" (qui patres quique conscripti,Livy
> 2.1.11)
>

Conscript fathers is a convention. We see it mentioned in Tullius.

> From this I have two questions :
>
> a) Is there anybody on this list who disagree with the above? If so why?
> What sources can I read to have another view of the problem?
>
> b) If we take Cornell's comments as being the right interpretation,
> shouldn't we change the way we address our senators from 'conscript fathers'
> to 'fathers and enrolled ones'?
>

If the Paters are the Patricians, and Conscripti the Plebes, then we have it
correct.
In Nova Roma, most of the Senators here are not Paterfamilias, and none of
them are "newly enrolled" If the Conscripti are the back benchers, as Tullius
seems to say, then the above
is false by Tullius time, since the few back benchers that are mentioned are
from very noble families.
The only time we have back benchers in Nova Roma is when newly elected
Praetors that are not Senators get to observe the Senate, but are unable to vote or
comment, until the Kalends.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Salvete omnes cives

I write to this list to invite you to visit the web log of the
Provincia Hispania Nova Roma.

In this web log we, the citizens of the Provincia Hispania, have
decided to publish the best articles we have written on all things
concerning Rome and the Antiquity. We also include links and
opinionated comments.

I must warn you that all its contents are in Spanish (inevitably, as
we are Spaniards). We will not take umbrage at publishing
contributions in other languages, of course, in case there are any.

Our aim is to provide an interesting, instructive read at an almost
daily basis. We have a number of highly motivated and erudite
contributors and intend to maintain the web log for a long time.

You can find our blog here:

http://nrhispania.blogspot.com

Any comments and suggestions will be sincerely appreciated.

Valete bene in pace deorum

Marcus Salix Saverius

Salvete,

I agree that a smaller leaflet type Eagle announcing upcoming
events and such is a great idea. Anyone have any idea what the cost
would be per citizen annually?

Valete,
Annia Octavia Indagatrix

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:

> Salve Honorable L. Sicinius Drusus
>
> What would you like in the black and white Eagle with a couple of

pages and sent to all taxpayers.

>
> The staff is ready to work on it.
>
> Tell us what you ( and others ) would like?
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Curator Differum
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: L. Sicinius Drusus
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 1:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Census
>
>
>
> --- Caius Livius Varus Germanicus
> <eq_germanicus@y...> wrote:
> SNIP
> >
> > I for one think the people would like to get
> > something more real by
> > getting to actually touch a piece of paper; so they
> > feel like they
> > are getting something real for their tax-money. I
> > could be wrong, but
> > thus far our polling in Ameica Boreoccidentalis
> > shows that essentialy
> > we would like something more real than a virtual
> > online community.
> >
> > C. Livius Varus Germanicus
> >
>
> One thing that I would like to see toward that goal is
> splitting the Eagle into two plublications. One would
> be the excellant plublication that is currently being
> produced for subscribers, and the other being a simple
> one page black and white newsletter that is mailed to
> all tax paying citizens on a regular basis. At first
> this newsletter would likely be a quaterly or
> bimonthly mailing, becomming monthly as we increase
> the number of real world news events.
>
> This would give civies something solid that they could
> hold in thier hands and would insure that citizens who
> aren't online would be informed of events like
> meetings and the Census.
>
>
>
> =====
> L. Sicinius Drusus
>
> Roman Citizen
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Salve,

I know this might be a bit off topic, but I'm afraid
I'm out of my depth in this area. Can anyone tell me
the names of some primary sources for the Vikings? I'm
intreagued by references to a Viking attack on
Constantinople, but I really need sources on all
aspects. Can anyone assist me?

Vale bene,

Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura

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F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus S.F.D.

As one citizen posted, Rome was not built in a day. However, the purchaser of this land has made a great contribution to the state and I believe that our citizens should support this by public recognition. Two very traditional methods of showing support is to help pay the annual taxes on the property and the erection of an altar on the site. Even if our active citizens contributed only 50 cents each (or the proportional equivalent from their macronation of residence), this would likely cover the cost of the property tax on 10 acres in rural Texas. If each active citizen could contribute $2 each, a small inscribed altar could be purchased from a monument(aka mortuary) company in Texas with an appropriate Latin dedication erected on the site. The epigraphy on the altar could be determined by consultation of the Conscript Fathers and the Pontiffs since hundreds of complete altars and thousands of partial altars survive from the days of the Republic, Principate, and Empire as examples.
I am not proposing a large altar but one about three feet high, two feet wide, and about 12-18 inches deep with a dedication to the Gods in the name of the SPQNR using the appropriate epigraphy. It would likely require a concrete base sunk in the ground and would need to be anchored with steel rebar to prevent it from being carried off by the Vandals.
I realize that this proposal will be met with some debate from those who feel that this idea is too small or too much; too fragile and transitory; only useful for those in North America (who should be the ones to pay for it); et cetera, et cetera. However, we have to start somewhere and this, I believe, is as good a place to start as any. Valete.

Salve,
I agree.

Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
Salve Romans

Even those of us who are political animals get tired of it after a while. So how about a little history?

I was reading a few pages in H. G. Wells The Outline of History and came to a passage that I would like to start a discussion on.

H. G . Wells

" .....The generation of Romans that saw greatness and virtue in a man like Cato the Censor, necessarily made their country a mean ally and a cowardly victor"

Was Wells right or wrong?


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Tribunus Plebis Gaius Popillius Laenas Quiritibus salutem plurimam
dicit,

My announcement yesterday of the Senate agenda failed to include two
additional items:

Item 4) Gaius Iulius Barcinus Ciconius, former
propraetor of Hispania Provincia is proposed as
the propraetor of Mexico Provincia.

Item 5) If approved, up to $1,000 will be authorized to be spent to
draw up appropriate publishing agreements to allow "The Eagle" to
publish the works of independent authors and
other publishers.



Valete,
Gaius Popillius Laenas
Tribunus Plebis

A. Apollonius Cordus to Julilla Sempronia Magna, C.
Livius Varus Germanicus and all citizens and
peregrines, greetings.

I hope you are well; I am well.

My hearty congratulations to you both for these good
news! I hope your ancient & worthy clans thrive. I'm
especially pleased to hear about the Sempronii, since
I came close to being one myself and think of myself
as a sort of cousin.

The Sempronian website is very elegant. I remember
reading somewhere of a Sempronius of the middle
republic - perhaps a Sempronius Tuditanus - who wrote
one of the first treatises on Roman constitutional
law. I wonder which he was of those listed on the
site, if any?

Congratulations again, and best wishes.

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Annia Octavia Indagatrix asked:

> Anyone know of a good light wool that preserves
> the feel and folds without being to awfully hot?

There's tropical weight worsted wool. I've worn uniforms made of
the stuff on Okinawa (and Hawaii, while passing through), and it's
as comfortable as cotton. You should be able to order off-white
tropical wool worsted from G Street Fabrics at
http://www.gstreetfabrics.com

-- Marinus

A. Apollonius Cordus to Senator L. Sicinius Drusus and
all citizens and peregrines, greetings.

I hope you are well; all's well with me.

Senator, while reading the main list today I suddenly
realized that, since I know not when, I have
persistently mis-spelled your name as Sinicius.

I have no idea what caused me to be so convinced that
this was the correct spelling, but I must apologize
and hope I have caused no offence. You have been very
restrained in not correcting me.

Best wishes.

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other things he lectures about Roman clothing.

http://www.togaman.com

-- Marinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia Aventina"
<diana@p...> wrote:

> Salve Marinus,
>
> I've already said my piece and anything more would be like running
>in sand.
> How about we agree to disagree on this one and leave it at that.
>Ok? If not, let me know.

Salve Diana Moravia,

This is probably sound advice for all of us in this discussion,
nothing further can ge gained from it.

Vale,

Palladius

Salvete Omnes:

Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura writes (of the Emperor Domitian):

>
> I don't know how anyone else thinks of him, but I think he deserved to have his memory damned.
>

You'll get no argument here.

I agree that, despite periodic attempts to rehabilitate him, Domitian remains, in my estimation, a contemptible ruler. Everything I've read about him makes repeated reference to the all-pervasive spy system he established, leading in the last decade of his reign to an atmosphere of almost smothering paranoia, especially among the wealthy and influential. Even if we allow that Suetonius and other historians delighted in making a lurid tale worse, there seems to be no question that violence escalated during Domitian's reign. Domitian suffers especially from comparison with his father, Vespasian, an emperor who was practical, unpretentious - even genial, as Emperors go.

Domitian also took a dim view of the Senate as an advisory body. His attitude toward the Senate was akin to that of King Charles I of England's attitude toward Parliament: they regarded such assemblies as decorative anachronisms, their sole purpose being to lend a veneer of legitimacy to an absolute monarch's whims.

There is no doubt he was popular with the soldiers; however, given the number of mediocrities subsequently raised to the purple by the military, I'm not sure that counts for much. But then, given my nomen/cognomen, you'd rightly suspect that one who admires both Domitian's successor, as well as the historian who colorfully recorded Domitian's misdeeds for posterity, would have little good to say about Domitian himself....

Valete.

Lucius Suetonius Nerva



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Salve to you as well,
I know all too well what it is like to have my words and meanings
twisted to give someone something to squak about and appear justified.
The ego's and pride of people do seem to be in keeping with those of
Ancient Rome (no names ever mentioned). It is unmistakable in
certain replies when read; they speak for themselves. It is an
attitude of which I am not familiar; a mock supperior attitude to
compensate for the feelings of inferiority and it's safe to pretend
in a virtual world. I don't have an ego of those sorts nor do I have
that kind of pride; only honor to do the right thing for myself and
others - it is a base, mundane, goat herding country folk mentality
but it serves me well and not only can I sleep at night, I can look
myself in the mirror and smile, lol.
I'm not saying this is the case with your posting reparte', lol, but
maybe you have noticed that it seems to be a popular position taken
on most occasions (no names ever mentioned, if the posts themselves
do not validate my claim then i am wrong in my assumptions - judge
for yourself).
Whatever the case, I get past it rather quickly and can move on to
the next discussion. Hopefully I can get in more than a few posts
and interesting topics before the next mele' and then it is over
again, untill the next time.
Vale and thanks for dropping me a reply.

SNIP

>
> <chuckle> Indeed; I expect it any time now. When I look at what

crawls

> out from behind the woodwork and beneath the rocks in opposition to

me,

> I know that I'm doing the right thing; I *like* knowing that

they're at

> the opposite end of the spectrum from me. If I'm a dog, then the

fleas

> ("wingless blood-sucking parasitic insect noted for ability to

leap" -

> how apt!) are doing exactly what I would expect of them... being a

minor

> annoying itch. Since they can't do anything useful, they must do
> something destructive - I know the breed very well. And despise it.
>
>
> Vale,
> Caius Minucius Scaevola
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

=-

> Inventas vitam iuvat excoluisse per artes.
> Let us improve life through science and art.
> -- Inscription on the Nobel Prize winner medals. After

Vergil, "Aenis."

Ave Quirities!
The land is empty as of now, corect? How about a statue of the godess Roma and the exact center of the ten acre plot? Perhaps a delegation to go out and consecrate the grounds in the name of the gods and republic? Obviously, the shrine would have to be fenced in or something?
Thinking out loud again, folks!



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Splendid, and practical...better than my godess idea I must admit...

PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus S.F.D.

As one citizen posted, Rome was not built in a day. However, the purchaser of this land has made a great contribution to the state and I believe that our citizens should support this by public recognition. Two very traditional methods of showing support is to help pay the annual taxes on the property and the erection of an altar on the site. Even if our active citizens contributed only 50 cents each (or the proportional equivalent from their macronation of residence), this would likely cover the cost of the property tax on 10 acres in rural Texas. If each active citizen could contribute $2 each, a small inscribed altar could be purchased from a monument(aka mortuary) company in Texas with an appropriate Latin dedication erected on the site. The epigraphy on the altar could be determined by consultation of the Conscript Fathers and the Pontiffs since hundreds of complete altars and thousands of partial altars survive from the days of the Republic, Principate, and Empire as
examples.
I am not proposing a large altar but one about three feet high, two feet wide, and about 12-18 inches deep with a dedication to the Gods in the name of the SPQNR using the appropriate epigraphy. It would likely require a concrete base sunk in the ground and would need to be anchored with steel rebar to prevent it from being carried off by the Vandals.
I realize that this proposal will be met with some debate from those who feel that this idea is too small or too much; too fragile and transitory; only useful for those in North America (who should be the ones to pay for it); et cetera, et cetera. However, we have to start somewhere and this, I believe, is as good a place to start as any. Valete.

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Sorry, Don't mean to interrupt, just supply some info - there are
Angora Goats.
Nothing like a good goat head (eyes included) or curried.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, me-in-@d... wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From : Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@c...>
> Date : 25 August 2003 21:46:03
>
> >
> >> Angora maybe? Or is that a South-American breed?
> >
> >Angora is long haired rabbit.
> >
> Woops! Thought there were Angora Goats too? (Both make good curry -
I'm sure Romans would have appreciated it).
>
> Caesariensis.
>
>
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>
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Great link; why isn't he one of us?

Bill Gawne <gawne@...> wrote:Wade Heaton is a professor at South Eastern Louisiana University. Among
other things he lectures about Roman clothing.

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-- Marinus

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Hear, Hear!!

deciusiunius <bcatfd@...> wrote:--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia Aventina"
<diana@p...> wrote:

> Salve Marinus,
>
> I've already said my piece and anything more would be like running
>in sand.
> How about we agree to disagree on this one and leave it at that.
>Ok? If not, let me know.

Salve Diana Moravia,

This is probably sound advice for all of us in this discussion,
nothing further can ge gained from it.

Vale,

Palladius


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Welcome back.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "fred" <chandos_deborg@y...> wrote:
> well here i am agian after a long haitus...getting used to thinking
> in the roman manner agian,anyone wants to chat ll probably be on
most
> evenings.
> S Ritulis Tranquillus

Craig Stevenson wrote:

> Can anyone tell me the names of some primary
> sources for the Vikings? I'm intreagued by
> references to a Viking attack on Constantinople,
> but I really need sources on all aspects. Can
> anyone assist me?

Salve, Gai Senti Brutti Sura.

I *AM* a primary source...at least in my opinion. Genuine viking blood
runs through my veins, proving my heritage in countless ways. However,
most primary sources on the vikings themselves, and not the lands they
ravaged, are more or less runestones. The vikings believed the act of
writing to be magic, and it wasn't practiced widely enough to be
anything but extremly crude carvings in wood and rock, of which only the
latter survive today. As primary sources, runestones boasting about the
exploits of whatever chieftain wealthy enough to have one made isn't
exactly credible.

For some insight into the viking mind, I think I'll recommend the Edda
by Snorre Sturlasson. It's a latter-day collection of viking mythology,
which I find quite a good read.

On the other hand, since it is their pursuits abroad which interests
you, the above is largely irrelevant and there are probably quite a few
writings from across Europe available. "From the wrath of the northmen
preserve us, amen."

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.

Probably the best compendium would be Heimskringla (basically the
history of the kings of norway). Written a bit after the period but
it's about as close as you can get without reading runestones.

Varus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Kristoffer From <from@d...> wrote:
> Craig Stevenson wrote:
> > Can anyone tell me the names of some primary
> > sources for the Vikings? I'm intreagued by
> > references to a Viking attack on Constantinople,
> > but I really need sources on all aspects. Can
> > anyone assist me?

Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura writes:

>
> I'm intrigued by references to a Viking attack on Constantinople.
>

You're probably referring to an attack on Constantinople in June, 860 CE by a fleet of 200 ships from the Black Sea. Norsemen had established a khaganate around the upper Volga some 25 years earlier and used the Volga (and the Dnieper and Don) to raid southward. The fleet was probably comprised of both Slavs ("Rus") and Norsemen. Needless to say, the attack failed and the attackers retreated.

There are useful entries in "The Oxford Dictionary of Byzantium" with further sources under the entries, "Varangians" and "Vikings."

L. Suetonius Nerva

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Tante grazie Piasano,
Non voglio disurbarti se non ti e' comodo.
Mia programma sara' molto occupato. Spero di visitare Bari, se
posso, ti chiamero'.

I don't want you to go out of your way if it isn't convenient (I know
how busy you must be, lol).
My schedule is going to be very busy but I hope to get to Bari, if I
can, I will contact you.

Vale M.A.B.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Franciscus Apulus Caesar"
<sacro_barese_impero@l...> wrote:

> Salve Belisarius,
>
> è una bellissima notizia! Anche se sono giorni di lavoro, farò di
> tutto per venire a Sorrento. Potremmo visitare insieme Ercolano.
> Avvisami se vieni a Bari, ti porto a vedere Canne, il luogo della
> famosa battaglia.
>
> --------- english -----------
> what a wondeful news! They're days of job for me, but I'll do
> everything to come in Sorrento. We could visit Herculaneum.
> Please inform me if you'll visit Bari, I'll show you Canne, the
> location of the famous battle.
>
> Vale
> Fr. Apulus Caesar
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius"
> <mballetta@h...> wrote:
> > Ciao' Amico Mio,
> > Oh ricevuto confirmazione finalmente.
> > Saro'a Sorento il 6 Ottobre per 3 notte alla Grand Vesuvio pria

di

> > partire per Roma.
> > Spero di vederti e possibilmente vedere Bari.
> > Ci veddiamo
> > M.A.B.

Hawaii?????
So? What's it like to live in Paradise?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Annia Minucia Sempronia"
<ciarin@a...> wrote:

> ok, Hawaii sucks....
>
> -Annia Minucia Sempronia
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "aoctaviaindagatrix"
> <bryanta003@h...> wrote:
> > Salvete,
> >
> > Moravius Laureatus has the right idea! Real, physical world
> > doings is the way to keep the ball rolling. Now, when are some of
> > you moving to Hawaii so we can have some nice dinners? Hmm?
> >
> > Valete,
> > Annia Octavia Indagatrix
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cornelius Moravius Laureatus
> > Armoricus" <laureatusarmoricus@t...> wrote:
> > > Salvete Vare et omnes,
> > >
> > > Dixit :
> > > >
> > > > I for one think the people would like to get something more
> real
> > by
> > > > getting to actually touch a piece of paper; so they feel like
> > they
> > > > are getting something real for their tax-money. I could be
> > wrong,
> > > but
> > > > thus far our polling in Ameica Boreoccidentalis shows that
> > > essentialy
> > > > we would like something more real than a virtual online
> > community.
> > > >
> > > > C. Livius Varus Germanicus
> > >
> > > Respondeo :
> > >
> > > This is music to my ears ! It is about time we address the

issue

> > of
> > > real life : NR will only be as real as we make it; electronic
> > blips
> > > do not amount to much in terms of statehood and other

historical

> > > pursuits.
> > > The road will be long and arduous but we have to start

somewhere.

> > >
> > > Valete
> > >
> > > Moravius Laureatus

Salve and here, here!
I'm all in favour of Altar Errections (yes, pun intended, call me
Atilla the Pun, lol).
Seriously,
Charge, Pay Pal or check?
Supply me with an address so I can make a donation as long as it goes
towards something religiously oriented like the altar or an offering
to the Gods etc.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a... wrote:
> F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus S.F.D.
>
> As one citizen posted, Rome was not built in a day. However, the
purchaser of this land has made a great contribution to the state and
I believe that our citizens should support this by public
recognition. Two very traditional methods of showing support is to
help pay the annual taxes on the property and the erection of an
altar on the site. Even if our active citizens contributed only 50
cents each (or the proportional equivalent from their macronation of
residence), this would likely cover the cost of the property tax on
10 acres in rural Texas. If each active citizen could contribute $2
each, a small inscribed altar could be purchased from a monument(aka
mortuary) company in Texas with an appropriate Latin dedication
erected on the site. The epigraphy on the altar could be determined
by consultation of the Conscript Fathers and the Pontiffs since
hundreds of complete altars and thousands of partial altars survive
from the days of the Republic, Principate, and Empire as examples.
> I am not proposing a large altar but one about three feet high, two
feet wide, and about 12-18 inches deep with a dedication to the Gods
in the name of the SPQNR using the appropriate epigraphy. It would
likely require a concrete base sunk in the ground and would need to
be anchored with steel rebar to prevent it from being carried off by
the Vandals.
> I realize that this proposal will be met with some debate from
those who feel that this idea is too small or too much; too fragile
and transitory; only useful for those in North America (who should be
the ones to pay for it); et cetera, et cetera. However, we have to
start somewhere and this, I believe, is as good a place to start as
any. Valete.

Now that's a Toga, I may get one just for the hell of it.
Great link, thanks!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Bill Gawne <gawne@c...> wrote:
> Wade Heaton is a professor at South Eastern Louisiana University.
Among
> other things he lectures about Roman clothing.
>
> http://www.togaman.com
>
> -- Marinus

I like the Statue and Shrine idea and would love to make a
contributions for it.
I'm sure once this has been reviewed and polled we will be advised of
the results and instructed on how to make these donations.
In acknowledgement for all the hard work and dedication by others, if
I can't help out in that fashion, I would like to contribute ($$$)
where I can. Let's errect something, lol.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, raymond fuentes
<praefectus2324@y...> wrote:

> Ave Quirities!
> The land is empty as of now, corect? How about a statue

of the godess Roma and the exact center of the ten acre plot? Perhaps
a delegation to go out and consecrate the grounds in the name of the
gods and republic? Obviously, the shrine would have to be fenced in
or something?

> Thinking out loud again, folks!
>
>
>
> S P Q R
>
> Fidelis Ad Mortem.
>
> Marcvs Flavivs Fides
> Roman Citizen
>
>
>
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Salvete Omnes,

There is one thing that needs to be done with the Nova
Roma land, the placing of the boundry stones and the
offerings to Terminus that goes along with thier
placement.

This Religous duty needs to be taken care of before
anything else is done with the land.


=====
L. Sicinius Drusus

Roman Citizen

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Terminvs Est!

"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@...> wrote:Salvete Omnes,

There is one thing that needs to be done with the Nova
Roma land, the placing of the boundry stones and the
offerings to Terminus that goes along with thier
placement.

This Religous duty needs to be taken care of before
anything else is done with the land.


=====
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Roman Citizen

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Salve,
By Freyer and Freyja for seithr and galdr forgive my lack of
knowledge when it comes to Futhark or I would greet you in the
Northern tongue.
I only knew one other from the land of Ice and Snow and just wanted
to say hello.Vale

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Kristoffer From <from@d...> wrote:
> Craig Stevenson wrote:
> > Can anyone tell me the names of some primary
> > sources for the Vikings? I'm intreagued by
> > references to a Viking attack on Constantinople,
> > but I really need sources on all aspects. Can
> > anyone assist me?
>
> Salve, Gai Senti Brutti Sura.
>
> I *AM* a primary source...at least in my opinion. Genuine viking
blood
> runs through my veins, proving my heritage in countless ways.
However,
> most primary sources on the vikings themselves, and not the lands
they
> ravaged, are more or less runestones. The vikings believed the act
of
> writing to be magic, and it wasn't practiced widely enough to be
> anything but extremly crude carvings in wood and rock, of which
only the
> latter survive today. As primary sources, runestones boasting about
the
> exploits of whatever chieftain wealthy enough to have one made
isn't
> exactly credible.
>
> For some insight into the viking mind, I think I'll recommend the
Edda
> by Snorre Sturlasson. It's a latter-day collection of viking
mythology,
> which I find quite a good read.
>
> On the other hand, since it is their pursuits abroad which
interests
> you, the above is largely irrelevant and there are probably quite a
few
> writings from across Europe available. "From the wrath of the
northmen
> preserve us, amen."
>
> Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.

Salvete Omnes,
Maybe we should keep track of which state
is picked by the Free State Project in which to
buy our 108 acres. FSP is now voting on which state is to become it's
target. The states
being considered are Alaska, Delaware, Idaho,
Maine, New Hampshire, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont, and
Wyoming.
For more info on the FSP you can check out their site:
http://www.freestateproject.org

Sextus Cornelius Cotta
FSP Member

AIM: Walhalla47
YahooMsgr: iguard2

Salve Romans

As most of you know I do not practice the Religio Romanum but I try and study all aspect of Rome and Nova Roma.
I am also respectful of all the religious practices of other people and I ask this question for this purpose and to further the goals of NR.

Was it required that the auspices be taken before we bought the land or is only required before we make any improvements to it?


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: raymond fuentes
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Boundry Stones


Terminvs Est!

"L. Sicinius Drusus" <lsicinius@...> wrote:Salvete Omnes,

There is one thing that needs to be done with the Nova
Roma land, the placing of the boundry stones and the
offerings to Terminus that goes along with thier
placement.

This Religous duty needs to be taken care of before
anything else is done with the land.


=====
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Roman Citizen

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Belisare, get one because you're a Roman..
Vale, Pomponia Fabia Vera Attica

postscriptum: check out this month's fashion mag "W" to see members
of the Aspen Institute decked out in their togas performing Antigone.



In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius"
<mballetta@h...> wrote:

>
> Now that's a Toga, I may get one just for the hell of it.
> Great link, thanks!
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Bill Gawne <gawne@c...> wrote:
> > Wade Heaton is a professor at South Eastern Louisiana

University.

> Among
> > other things he lectures about Roman clothing.
> >
> > http://www.togaman.com
> >
> > -- Marinus

In a message dated 8/26/03 5:47:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... writes:

> If each active citizen could contribute $2 each, a small inscribed altar
> could be purchased from a monument(aka mortuary) company in Texas with an
> appropriate Latin dedication erected on the site. The epigraphy on the altar
> could be determined by consultation of the Conscript Fathers and the Pontiffs
> since hundreds of complete altars and thousands of partial altars survive from
> the days of the Republic, Principate, and Empire as examples.
>

I'd rather first plow the boundry, before erecting an altar. We also will
need boundry stones.
But an altar later would be an interesting addition.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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Salve Cai Curi;
thank you for your wonderful diary, I felt all the enjoyment & then
the agony of not being there! Next year's Nova Roma Rally will
definitely have a Hibernian contingent!
Vale, P. Fabia Vera Attica.


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Marcus Iulius " <m_iulius@v...> wrote:

> Ave Saturnine,
>
> I loved your story about the meeeting and, let me publicly thank

you for

> the pages you have arranged! Nice job amice!
>
> vale
> M IVL PERVSIANVS
> PS ..as I still haven't seen anybody saying "thank you!" ;-)
>
> >Salvete omnes,
> >
> >Now that my holiday in Provincia Italia is over I'm at last able

to >post

> a short diary of my trip there, concentrating to the most
>wonderful event
> organised by Curule Aedile Franciscus Apulus Caesar. I >mean of

course the

> second Nova Roman Rally in Europe!
> >
> >It is not possible to describe how wonderful the meeting was, and

all >the

> amazing things we saw and experienced there. I'll just invite
>everyone
> interested to see some of the pictures I and Emilia Curia >Finnica

took

> and maybe read some impressions I had about the Rally:
> >
> >http://www.insulaumbra.com/nreurope2003
> >
> >
> >Once again, thank you for:
> >Franciscus Apulus Caesar
> >Manius Constantinus Serapio
> >Marcus Iulius Perusianus
> >Aurelia Iulia Pulchra
> >Alexander Solaris Draco
> >Brettia Solaria Danica
> >Lucius Iulius Sulla
> >Aelius Solaris Marullinus
> >& all other wonderful people I had the privilege to meet!
>
> >Valete,
> >
> >--
> >
> >
> >Caius Curius Saturninus
> >
> >Accensus Superior Primus (Ductor Cohortis) Cohors Consulis CFQ
> >Legatus Regionis Finnicae
> >Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
> >Praeses et Triumvir Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et

Nova

Salvete Quirites.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Laureatus Armoricus"
<laureatusarmoricus@t...> wrote:

<<snipped>>

> a) Is there anybody on this list who disagree with the above ? if
> so why ? what sources can I read to have another view of the
> problem ?

What I have read coincides with all the above. Sorry for not giving a
different perspective :-).

> b) If we take Cornell's comments as being the right interpretation,
> shouldn't we change the way we address our senators from 'conscript
> fathers' to 'fathers and enrolled ones'?

I personally always use "Patres et Conscripti", to mark
that "conscripti" is *not* and adjective there. I guess that, if I
had to say that expression in English, I would say "Fathers and
Conscripts" or something like that :-).

S·V·B·E·E·V
CN·SALIX·T·F·A·NEP·OVF·ASTVR

Salve C. Livius Varus Germanicus

Thank you for your input.

Earlier this month I posted that the Eagle would publish an election issue and that anybody thinking about running could send in information and we would keep it confidential until the election issue was published in October. So far no one has sent anything in to the Eagle.

( We knew about the land but honored a request to keep it quite till the appropriate officials announced it).

The current monthly Eagle has most of what you have asked f

If you don't get it You don't get it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In the Eagle this year we have:

posted to the ML about the Election issue=Reminders for elections.

We had an article written by the Senior Consul about the census.

In each issue of the Eagle space is set aside for the Religio Romanus and because the PM is to busy or unwilling to write for the Eagle I put information in it as best I can. Others have also written on the Religio for the Eagle.

We also include a list of Religio Festivals for the upcoming month.

We have published information on those event that we are told about and even had a couple of Provencal reports written by different legates ( to few but we had some)

Anybody who cares to write on these will be placed in the Eagle

Point of Contact info for the different provincials.
Point of contact info for the sacerdotes/ cults.

We offered this feature in December and reminded Citizens of it on a couple of occasion but so far we have not received any "letters to the editor"

We offered and the Consuls excepted a request to write a Consular column for each issue.
With two Consuls they only had to write 6 each for the year and granted they are busy people it has been like pulling teeth to get them to do it and I have simply stopped asking or sending reminders.

We can put together a simple Black and white newsletter for all Citizens or all paid Citizens as the Senate approves.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum




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In a message dated 8/26/03 7:33:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jwalzer5@... writes:

> There is no doubt he was popular with the soldiers; however, given the
> number of mediocrities subsequently raised to the purple by the military, I'm not
> sure that counts for much. But then, given my nomen/cognomen, you'd rightly
> suspect that one who admires both Domitian's successor, as well as the
> historian who colorfully recorded Domitian's misdeeds for posterity, would have
> little good to say about Domitian himself....
>

Actually he wasn't. Oh sure he increased the donative, but that was more due
the ugly results of the Civil War, and how far an Imperator can fall in a
short of amount of time, then for general will being of troops.
He also caused the loss of the V Larks, when he misjudged the situation with
Dacia. Had he responded with overwhelming force, the Dacians likely would
have accepted client kingdom status. But his procrastination gave them
confidence, and set the scene for increased out rages until Trajanus intervention. As
Imperators goes, he was the worse of the Flavians, and a direct contrast to
his brother Titus Flavius. Was he as deranged as Caius Caesar Gemanicus? No.
Was he as amoral as Antonius Commodus? No. But he still was at the bottom
rung, like Tiberius Claudius and L. Domitius Nero.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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Salve PFVA,
A true Roman is like real Yoga,
It comes from within not by wearing a Toga.
LOL, not many good rhymes with Toga.

Or for the other point of view by the Princess Amneris:

In life one has to face a huge assortment
Of nauseating fads and good advice
There's health and fitness, diet and deportment
And other pointless forms of sacrifice

Conversation, wit, I am a doubter
Manners, charm, they're no way to impress
So forget the inner me, observe the outer
I am what I wear and how I dress

Now I believe in looking like my time on earth is cooking
Whether polka-dotted stripes or even checks
With some glamour guaranteeing every fiber of my being
Is displayed to quite remarkable effects
From your cradle via trousseau to your death bed you're on view so
Never compromise accept no substitute
I would rather wear a barrel than conservative apparel
As dress has always been my strongest suit

Staying in or hitting townwards, from the top and working downwards
I ensure that every stitch is stitched in time
Whether wig or hat or turban, whether clad boudoir or urban
Not to strut your stuff outrageously's a crime
And the few who are invited to my wardrobe are delighted
As they wander through my things to find en route
That in negligee or formal I am anything but normal
As dress has always been my strongest suit

Now you don't need a recital of the reasons why its vital
That tonight I simply have to look my best
That from coronet to sandal no one else is worth a candle
That I couldn't make more impact if I'm dressed
So bring me out my finest, most audacious, my divinest
Most revealing, most expensive and to boot
Most arresting, most heart-stopping, most free-flowing, most eye-
popping
For dress has always been my strongest suit!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@y...> wrote:
> Belisare, get one because you're a Roman..
> Vale, Pomponia Fabia Vera Attica
>
> postscriptum: check out this month's fashion mag "W" to see members
> of the Aspen Institute decked out in their togas performing
Antigone.
>
>
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius"
> <mballetta@h...> wrote:
> >
> > Now that's a Toga, I may get one just for the hell of it.
> > Great link, thanks!
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Bill Gawne <gawne@c...> wrote:
> > > Wade Heaton is a professor at South Eastern Louisiana
> University.
> > Among
> > > other things he lectures about Roman clothing.
> > >
> > > http://www.togaman.com
> > >
> > > -- Marinus

Salve F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus S.F.D.,
When the rock farmers are finished plowing, I will be happy to make a
contribution in excess of the reccomendation for an altar or related
item.
I appreciate your interest and information.
Vale M.A.B.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, qfabiusmaxmi@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 8/26/03 5:47:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a... writes:
>
>
> > If each active citizen could contribute $2 each, a small
inscribed altar
> > could be purchased from a monument(aka mortuary) company in Texas
with an
> > appropriate Latin dedication erected on the site. The epigraphy
on the altar
> > could be determined by consultation of the Conscript Fathers and
the Pontiffs
> > since hundreds of complete altars and thousands of partial altars
survive from
> > the days of the Republic, Principate, and Empire as examples.
> >
>
> I'd rather first plow the boundry, before erecting an altar. We
also will
> need boundry stones.
> But an altar later would be an interesting addition.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

In a message dated 8/26/03 10:01:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, spqr753@...
writes:

> Was it required that the auspices be taken before we bought the land or is
> only required before we make any improvements to it?
>

Cato seems to indicate that only when improvements are intended.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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While it is laudable that you wish to follow Cato so slavishly, I would like to point out that this is not arable farm land but ranch land. Further, do you want it plowed with oxen and a iron edged, wooden plow without a coulter board or should we just "run with a Deere." I do not know what the Romans living in Anatolia, Libya, or Cyrenica did to mark the boundaries of their lands in arid regions. Boundaries stones are probably in abundance in the area or we could do cairns, which were used extensively during the Hellenistic and Roman periods when a large terminus stone could not be used. Perhaps, it would be best for the proper rituals for the dedication of sacred and public land appropriate to the region be followed as closely as financially possible. I leave the details up to the Patres et Conscripti and the Pontiffs. As I said, I knew their would be some debate on even such a small physical suggestion.

F. Gal Aur Sec

CN·SALIX·ASTVR·QVIRITIBVS·S·P·D

Salvete Quirites.

In the last days, I have seen some discussions in this forum that
seem to imply that we, your praetores, have not been able to fully
explain what we are doing. Since you, the cives of Nova Roma, are our
employers, I think that we should make some effort to reverse that
situation.

Some citizens have lately expressed their discomfort with the
praetores' "lack of proactivity". I guess that these citizens, when
they think about the praetores of Nova Roma, think that they are the
Novoroman version of "list moderators" usually found in mailing
lists. But the truth is quite different. The praetores of Nova Roma
are the highest justice officials of Nova Roma; think about a mixture
between a district attorney and a judge.

The current praetores have a keen interest in following the Mos
Maiorum. Because of this, we have decided to behave like the
praetores of Antiquity. And that means a "reactive" rather than
a "proactive" role.

Think about it. In everyday life, we (all right; *most* of us :-) )
don't go insulting everyone because of several reasons. One of those
reasons is that we (again, most of us) don't feel the need to do it.
Another reason is because the insulted person could do something
about it. This person could sue us. And that would get us into
trouble.

We do not need a policeman to follow us to check what we do in order
to avoid improper behaviour. In fact, we would get very angry if a
policeman tried to do that. And rightly so. Our previous solutions
here in Nova Roma caused exactly this kind of reaction in the past.

Do you feel insulted, threatened or attacked by someone posting to
the main list? Let the praetores know. Do you think that someone is
doing something wrong? Inform the praetores. File your complaint with
them. That's what you elected them for. That's the Roman way to do
things.

Thank you for your attention, citizens. The praetores' office is open
to answer any of your questions.

S·V·B·E·E·V
CN·SALIX·T·F·A·NEP·OVF·ASTVR
PRAETOR

How tedeous, it's amazing anything gets accomplished; why do you
think that is?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a... wrote:
> While it is laudable that you wish to follow Cato so slavishly, I
would like to point out that this is not arable farm land but ranch
land. Further, do you want it plowed with oxen and a iron edged,
wooden plow without a coulter board or should we just "run with a
Deere." I do not know what the Romans living in Anatolia, Libya, or
Cyrenica did to mark the boundaries of their lands in arid regions.
Boundaries stones are probably in abundance in the area or we could
do cairns, which were used extensively during the Hellenistic and
Roman periods when a large terminus stone could not be used.
Perhaps, it would be best for the proper rituals for the dedication
of sacred and public land appropriate to the region be followed as
closely as financially possible. I leave the details up to the
Patres et Conscripti and the Pontiffs. As I said, I knew their would
be some debate on even such a small physical suggestion.
>
> F. Gal Aur Sec

MARCVS CALIDIVS GRACCHVS QVIRITBVS S.P.D

AVETE,

May I just remind those CIVES from HIBERNIA, the Senate is now
debating the merits of accepting HIBERNIA as a PROVINCIA in her own
right.

Perhaps, I might suggest that any of those CIVES from HIBERNIA who
have not done so let honourable SILANVS, PROPRAETOR of BRITANNIA
know their views (mine are already well known!). I have already
indicated to GAIVS POPPILLIVS LAENAS (TRIBVNVS PLEBIS) that I stand
ready, if our conscript fathers so require, to make the argument for
such a PROVINCIA.

VALETE

M. CALIDIVS GRACCHVS

TVVS IN SODILICIO RES PVBLICA ROMANAE

VERITAS LVX MEA

" PATRIA EST COMMVNIS OMNIVM PARENS " ---- CICERO

Salvete,

What a wonderful idea! I would also happily contribute to this
alter.

As for the later suggestion that it be plowed..umm..well, maybe
not. Romans were practical and that seems less than practical to me,
especially considering that it has already been determined this
parcel isn't going to be the "home" of NR. It is a wonderful gift
and a wonderful step forward, but going about some rock hard ranch
land in texas with a hand plow..well. The process of sinking the
pegs to establish a boundary may well have been done already.

Valete,
Annia Octavia Indagatrix

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a... wrote:
> F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus S.F.D.
>
> As one citizen posted, Rome was not built in a day. However, the
purchaser of this land has made a great contribution to the state
and I believe that our citizens should support this by public
recognition. Two very traditional methods of showing support is to
help pay the annual taxes on the property and the erection of an
altar on the site. Even if our active citizens contributed only 50
cents each (or the proportional equivalent from their macronation of
residence), this would likely cover the cost of the property tax on
10 acres in rural Texas. If each active citizen could contribute $2
each, a small inscribed altar could be purchased from a monument(aka
mortuary) company in Texas with an appropriate Latin dedication
erected on the site. The epigraphy on the altar could be determined
by consultation of the Conscript Fathers and the Pontiffs since
hundreds of complete altars and thousands of partial altars survive
from the days of the Republic, Principate, and Empire as examples.
> I am not proposing a large altar but one about three feet high,
two feet wide, and about 12-18 inches deep with a dedication to the
Gods in the name of the SPQNR using the appropriate epigraphy. It
would likely require a concrete base sunk in the ground and would
need to be anchored with steel rebar to prevent it from being
carried off by the Vandals.
> I realize that this proposal will be met with some debate from
those who feel that this idea is too small or too much; too fragile
and transitory; only useful for those in North America (who should
be the ones to pay for it); et cetera, et cetera. However, we have
to start somewhere and this, I believe, is as good a place to start
as any. Valete.

Salve,
The important thing is that the land is claimed and marked physically and esoterically as Terrae Romani. I think we can all agree on this, even if the land is to be sold later, as some have suggested, in the present time it is unhallowed, (Perhaps I am using a poor choice of words, but those that already know my style get my drift.)
Whether it is a plowing, demarcation lines, boundary stones, shrine or altar or a road ending in an arc with a plaque...I am sure the good priests, magistrates can think of something following tradition without too much strive. The decision will then be supported by the rest of us. I too will donate.



S P Q R

Fidelis Ad Mortem.

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Salvete Omnes,

Cotta, I think we could (or should) to search some lands or offers in
Europe too. If we would like to recreate the Roman State, maybe we'll
have to start where Rome growed and falled. This could give us a
historical correct link with the past. But this is only my personal
opinion ;-)

About the proposals, I think everything is good if it shows that the
land is of Nova Roma. I prefer a statue or a column but an altar is a
good idea too.

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie Collins" <cotta@s...>
wrote:

> Salvete Omnes,
> Maybe we should keep track of which state
> is picked by the Free State Project in which to
> buy our 108 acres. FSP is now voting on which state is to become

it's

> target. The states
> being considered are Alaska, Delaware, Idaho,
> Maine, New Hampshire, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, Vermont,

and

> Wyoming.
> For more info on the FSP you can check out their site:
> http://www.freestateproject.org
>
> Sextus Cornelius Cotta
> FSP Member
>
> AIM: Walhalla47
> YahooMsgr: iguard2

Salve Salix sevarii:

Est� muy bien hecho amice.
Como siempre, Hispania es el ejemplo a seguir en NR.

Very well done amice.
As always, Hispania sets the standard in Novaroma.

Vale

G. Galerius Peregrinator

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Est� muy bien hecho amice.
Como siempre, Hispania es el ejemplo a seguir en NR.

Very well done amice.
As always, Hispania sets the standard in Novaroma.

Vale

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Salvete Omnes,

I See there is some misunderstanding about Pontiff
Fabius's comments on plowing. He is speaking of the
symbolic plowing that establishes a Pomoerium.


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From : qfabiusmaxmi@...
Date : 26 August 2003 18:56:10

>Was he as amoral as Antonius Commodus? No. But he still was at the bottom
>rung, like Tiberius Claudius and L. Domitius Nero.
>

And just how bad was Tiberius, except in comparison to Augustus, who had the advantages of being first and C.Iulius Caesar II and reigning long enough to make sure his rise to power was forgotten? Not that Tib. was a brilliant ruler but I think he was not as bad as presented and much of it caused by what would now be seen as depression brought on by the way Augustus ruined his life.

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This from a friend of mine-
-------- Original Message --------

Salvete,

On the discussion board Roman Civilian Talk I have made the acquaintance
of a
professor from SouthEastern Louisiana Univ, Wade Heaton, who lectures on
togas
and Roman clothing. AKA 'togaman', he has a website http://www.togaman.com
and has a lot of information on the toga, the pallium, and women's clothing,
including two reconstructions/interpretations of a stola. He works with
Lariss
Bonafanti, Judith Sebesta and Norma Goldman, so he is in touch with the
latest
scholarship and research. I had an email from Dr. Goldman a few weeks ago
where the three of them are putting a new set of patterns and book based on
their latest reconstructions, including eight barbarian patterns (Merlinia
take heed!)

Looks like excellent work, so just wanted to let you know.

Valete
Richard

Salvete, Quirites!

This posting is for those interested in the old Roamn religion. August 25 is the Opiconsivia, festival of Ops, the Goddess of Plenty (also identified with Rhea or Mother Earth in other religions). It interests me particularly in that the Vestal Virgins played a major role in her festival. The shrine to Ops could only be entered by the Vestal Virgins and by the Pontifex Maximus, who wore a white veil on this occasion. (Originally, the shrine of Ops was attended by the Vestals on an ongoing basis.) This festival celebrates the fruits of the earth and is an initial harbinger of the later harvest season and accompanying festivals.

(I tried to post this on August 25th, the actual day of the festival, but was having problems with email. So if this information already appeared on the list yesterday, please excuse the repetition.)

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G. Iulius Scaurus T. Galerio Paulino salutem dicit.

Salve, T. Galeri.

> I was reading a few pages in H. G. Wells The Outline of History

and came to a passage that I would like to start a discussion on.

>
> H. G . Wells
>
> " .....The generation of Romans that saw greatness and virtue in a

man like Cato the Censor, necessarily made their country a mean ally
and a cowardly victor"

>
> Was Wells right or wrong?

I think that Wells' comments say more about what he thought of David
Lloyd George, Stanley Baldwin, and Ramsay MacDonald than Cato Maior.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus

G. Iulius Scaurus L. Suetonio Nervae salutem dicit.

Salve, L. Suetoni.

> Domitian also took a dim view of the Senate as an advisory body.

His attitude toward the Senate was akin to that of King Charles I of
England's attitude toward Parliament: they regarded such assemblies
as decorative anachronisms, their sole purpose being to lend a veneer
of legitimacy to an absolute monarch's whims.

I think this argument misses an important point. The only class from
which a plausible usurper could arise was the senatorial. No
equestrian, even a praetorian prefect (recall that Seianus was
elevated to senatorial rank by Tiberius) or prefect of Egypt, could
realistically aspire to the principate and with the exception of the
praetorian guard, the urban cohortes, and the garrison of Egypt until
Domitian only senators commanded commanded armies. Domitian, who
lived through the chaos of the year of four emperors, faced several
senatorial conspiracies to replace him, including the January, 89 CE,
revolt of the governor of Germania Superior, L. Antonius Saturninus
(put down by the successor his assassins chose, M. Cocceius Nerva).
His distrust of the senatorial aristocracy was not misplaced, and our
accounts of his relationship with the senate are coloured by the
propaganda campaign set in motion by Nerva and his successors to
justify the regicide and the extinction of the otherwise well-regarded
Flavians. Domitian's debasement of the senate can also be seen as a
side-effect of opening the highest levels of imperial administration
more broadly to well-qualified equestrians and a reduction of
dependence on imperial slaves and freedmen by introduction of other
equestrians into much of the bureaucracy. The conflict here is
between two fundamentally conflicting models of imperial government,
not a mad despot his ravaged, victim senate (the single most common
motif in Roman imperial historiography is explaining policy
disagreements in terms of "the emperor was nuts").. Brian Jones' _The
Emperor Domitian_ (London, 1992) provides an excellent analysis and
bibliography.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius"
<mballetta@h...> wrote:

> Hawaii?????
> So? What's it like to live in Paradise?
>

It's hot and muggy, and huge roaches everywhere. Most of the island
is ghetto, and yet very expensive. Too much sun, too much sand, and
too much salt water.

I never cared for spam anyway.

-Annia Minucia Sempronia

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Annia Minucia Sempronia"
> <ciarin@a...> wrote:
> > ok, Hawaii sucks....
> >
> > -Annia Minucia Sempronia
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "aoctaviaindagatrix"
> > <bryanta003@h...> wrote:
> > > Salvete,
> > >
> > > Moravius Laureatus has the right idea! Real, physical

world

> > > doings is the way to keep the ball rolling. Now, when are some

of

> > > you moving to Hawaii so we can have some nice dinners? Hmm?
> > >
> > > Valete,
> > > Annia Octavia Indagatrix
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cornelius Moravius

Laureatus

> > > Armoricus" <laureatusarmoricus@t...> wrote:
> > > > Salvete Vare et omnes,
> > > >
> > > > Dixit :
> > > > >
> > > > > I for one think the people would like to get something

more

> > real
> > > by
> > > > > getting to actually touch a piece of paper; so they feel

like

> > > they
> > > > > are getting something real for their tax-money. I could be
> > > wrong,
> > > > but
> > > > > thus far our polling in Ameica Boreoccidentalis shows that
> > > > essentialy
> > > > > we would like something more real than a virtual online
> > > community.
> > > > >
> > > > > C. Livius Varus Germanicus
> > > >
> > > > Respondeo :
> > > >
> > > > This is music to my ears ! It is about time we address the
> issue
> > > of
> > > > real life : NR will only be as real as we make it;

electronic

> > > blips
> > > > do not amount to much in terms of statehood and other
> historical
> > > > pursuits.
> > > > The road will be long and arduous but we have to start
> somewhere.
> > > >
> > > > Valete
> > > >
> > > > Moravius Laureatus

Salve

Not much and if Citizens sent in Self-address and postage paid envelops even
less.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum

----- Original Message -----
From: aoctaviaindagatrix
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 6:01 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: A Small Bblack and White Eagle


Salvete,

I agree that a smaller leaflet type Eagle announcing upcoming
events and such is a great idea. Anyone have any idea what the cost
would be per citizen annually?

Valete,
Annia Octavia Indagatrix

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:
> Salve Honorable L. Sicinius Drusus
>
> What would you like in the black and white Eagle with a couple of
pages and sent to all taxpayers.
>
> The staff is ready to work on it.
>
> Tell us what you ( and others ) would like?
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Curator Differum
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: L. Sicinius Drusus
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 1:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Census
>
>
>
> --- Caius Livius Varus Germanicus
> <eq_germanicus@y...> wrote:
> SNIP
> >
> > I for one think the people would like to get
> > something more real by
> > getting to actually touch a piece of paper; so they
> > feel like they
> > are getting something real for their tax-money. I
> > could be wrong, but
> > thus far our polling in Ameica Boreoccidentalis
> > shows that essentialy
> > we would like something more real than a virtual
> > online community.
> >
> > C. Livius Varus Germanicus
> >
>
> One thing that I would like to see toward that goal is
> splitting the Eagle into two plublications. One would
> be the excellant plublication that is currently being
> produced for subscribers, and the other being a simple
> one page black and white newsletter that is mailed to
> all tax paying citizens on a regular basis. At first
> this newsletter would likely be a quaterly or
> bimonthly mailing, becomming monthly as we increase
> the number of real world news events.
>
> This would give civies something solid that they could
> hold in thier hands and would insure that citizens who
> aren't online would be informed of events like
> meetings and the Census.
>
>
>
> =====
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>
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Avete Omnes.
Could someone tell me how to add my photo to my Nova Roma page?
VALE
EVGENIVS

Salve

you send a file to the Webmaster and he will place it .

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 11:07 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Add photo.


Avete Omnes.
Could someone tell me how to add my photo to my Nova Roma page?
VALE
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We do pay taxes. $6 of the Tax goes to the provincia, the other NR
retains for...
A bulk/mass-mailed one-pager in b/w is dirt cheap.
I imagine the Capite Censi could send SASE to get it, but taxpayers
could reasonably expect to get something for their taxes couldn't
they? Even if it was just a one or two page,double-sided, mass/bulk
mailed leaflet.

Respectfully,
Varus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:

> Salve
>
> Not much and if Citizens sent in Self-address and postage paid

envelops even

> less.
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Curator Differum
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: aoctaviaindagatrix
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 6:01 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: A Small Bblack and White Eagle
>
>
> Salvete,
>
> I agree that a smaller leaflet type Eagle announcing upcoming
> events and such is a great idea. Anyone have any idea what the

cost

> would be per citizen annually?
>
> Valete,
> Annia Octavia Indagatrix
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher"

<spqr753@m...>

> wrote:
> > Salve Honorable L. Sicinius Drusus
> >
> > What would you like in the black and white Eagle with a couple

of

> pages and sent to all taxpayers.
> >
> > The staff is ready to work on it.
> >
> > Tell us what you ( and others ) would like?
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> > Curator Differum
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: L. Sicinius Drusus
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 1:00 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Census
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Caius Livius Varus Germanicus
> > <eq_germanicus@y...> wrote:
> > SNIP
> > >
> > > I for one think the people would like to get
> > > something more real by
> > > getting to actually touch a piece of paper; so they
> > > feel like they
> > > are getting something real for their tax-money. I
> > > could be wrong, but
> > > thus far our polling in Ameica Boreoccidentalis
> > > shows that essentialy
> > > we would like something more real than a virtual
> > > online community.
> > >
> > > C. Livius Varus Germanicus
> > >
> >
> > One thing that I would like to see toward that goal is
> > splitting the Eagle into two plublications. One would
> > be the excellant plublication that is currently being
> > produced for subscribers, and the other being a simple
> > one page black and white newsletter that is mailed to
> > all tax paying citizens on a regular basis. At first
> > this newsletter would likely be a quaterly or
> > bimonthly mailing, becomming monthly as we increase
> > the number of real world news events.
> >
> > This would give civies something solid that they could
> > hold in thier hands and would insure that citizens who
> > aren't online would be informed of events like
> > meetings and the Census.
> >
> >
> >
> > =====
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> >
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All Tax paying citizens should recive the news letter
as a service that thier taxes are paying for.

One organization that I used to belong to had a
monthly news letter that was 1 page. The Neswletter
was printed on one side of the page and the other side
had the return address information printed on it so it
could be folded, stapled and only needed an address
and a stamp for mailing.

--- Caius Livius Varus Germanicus
<eq_germanicus@...> wrote:

> We do pay taxes. $6 of the Tax goes to the
> provincia, the other NR
> retains for...
> A bulk/mass-mailed one-pager in b/w is dirt cheap.
> I imagine the Capite Censi could send SASE to get
> it, but taxpayers
> could reasonably expect to get something for their
> taxes couldn't
> they? Even if it was just a one or two
> page,double-sided, mass/bulk
> mailed leaflet.
>
> Respectfully,
> Varus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen
> Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
> wrote:
> > Salve
> >
> > Not much and if Citizens sent in Self-address and
> postage paid
> envelops even
> > less.
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> > Curator Differum
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: aoctaviaindagatrix
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 6:01 AM
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: A Small Bblack and
> White Eagle
> >
> >
> > Salvete,
> >
> > I agree that a smaller leaflet type Eagle
> announcing upcoming
> > events and such is a great idea. Anyone have any
> idea what the
> cost
> > would be per citizen annually?
> >
> > Valete,
> > Annia Octavia Indagatrix
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen
> Gallagher"
> <spqr753@m...>
> > wrote:
> > > Salve Honorable L. Sicinius Drusus
> > >
> > > What would you like in the black and white
> Eagle with a couple
> of
> > pages and sent to all taxpayers.
> > >
> > > The staff is ready to work on it.
> > >
> > > Tell us what you ( and others ) would like?
> > >
> > > Vale
> > >
> > > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> > > Curator Differum
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: L. Sicinius Drusus
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 1:00 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Census
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Caius Livius Varus Germanicus
> > > <eq_germanicus@y...> wrote:
> > > SNIP
> > > >
> > > > I for one think the people would like to
> get
> > > > something more real by
> > > > getting to actually touch a piece of
> paper; so they
> > > > feel like they
> > > > are getting something real for their
> tax-money. I
> > > > could be wrong, but
> > > > thus far our polling in Ameica
> Boreoccidentalis
> > > > shows that essentialy
> > > > we would like something more real than a
> virtual
> > > > online community.
> > > >
> > > > C. Livius Varus Germanicus
> > > >
> > >
> > > One thing that I would like to see toward
> that goal is
> > > splitting the Eagle into two plublications.
> One would
> > > be the excellant plublication that is
> currently being
> > > produced for subscribers, and the other
> being a simple
> > > one page black and white newsletter that is
> mailed to
> > > all tax paying citizens on a regular basis.
> At first
> > > this newsletter would likely be a quaterly
> or
> > > bimonthly mailing, becomming monthly as we
> increase
> > > the number of real world news events.
> > >
> > > This would give civies something solid that
> they could
> > > hold in thier hands and would insure that
> citizens who
> > > aren't online would be informed of events
> like
> > > meetings and the Census.
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > Roman Citizen
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Salvete,

I'm afraid that most of these have a climate problem.
The Forum is intended to be a center for the Religio
as well as Nova Roma's government. Rites are performed
outside, and these states just don't have the climate
for performing a religous rite in a Toga during the
winter months.

--- Charlie Collins <cotta@...> wrote:

> Salvete Omnes,
> Maybe we should keep track of which state
> is picked by the Free State Project in which to
> buy our 108 acres. FSP is now voting on which state
> is to become it's
> target. The states
> being considered are Alaska, Delaware, Idaho,
> Maine, New Hampshire, Montana, North Dakota, South
> Dakota, Vermont, and
> Wyoming.
> For more info on the FSP you can check out their
> site:
> http://www.freestateproject.org
>
> Sextus Cornelius Cotta
> FSP Member
>
> AIM: Walhalla47
> YahooMsgr: iguard2
>
>

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Salve A. Apollonius,

Don't even think about it, no offense was taken.

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> and
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>
> I hope you are well; all's well with me.
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> Senator, while reading the main list today I
> suddenly
> realized that, since I know not when, I have
> persistently mis-spelled your name as Sinicius.
>
> I have no idea what caused me to be so convinced
> that
> this was the correct spelling, but I must apologize
> and hope I have caused no offence. You have been
> very
> restrained in not correcting me.
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Salve

So we print a newsletter of just announcements and like stuff, no pictures or articles on history or politics or culture. One or two pages , black and white . How many do we print 1928 or more like 400 .

400 at .32 cent US postage for domestic US is $128.00 that for first class postage no printing , lets say we get the printing donated that still leaves $128.00 per mailing. Say bulk rate is half the first class rate that is still $64.00 per mailing not counting printing. Then you have to sent it outside of the US or have it downloaded from the web and then mailed. This can be done but it will still cost us something.

As to a name how about AQUILA.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: L. Sicinius Drusus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 1:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: A Small Black and White Eagle


All Tax paying citizens should recive the news letter
as a service that thier taxes are paying for.

One organization that I used to belong to had a
monthly news letter that was 1 page. The Neswletter
was printed on one side of the page and the other side
had the return address information printed on it so it
could be folded, stapled and only needed an address
and a stamp for mailing.

--- Caius Livius Varus Germanicus
<eq_germanicus@...> wrote:
> We do pay taxes. $6 of the Tax goes to the
> provincia, the other NR
> retains for...
> A bulk/mass-mailed one-pager in b/w is dirt cheap.
> I imagine the Capite Censi could send SASE to get
> it, but taxpayers
> could reasonably expect to get something for their
> taxes couldn't
> they? Even if it was just a one or two
> page,double-sided, mass/bulk
> mailed leaflet.
>
> Respectfully,
> Varus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen
> Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
> wrote:
> > Salve
> >
> > Not much and if Citizens sent in Self-address and
> postage paid
> envelops even
> > less.
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> > Curator Differum
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: aoctaviaindagatrix
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 6:01 AM
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: A Small Bblack and
> White Eagle
> >
> >
> > Salvete,
> >
> > I agree that a smaller leaflet type Eagle
> announcing upcoming
> > events and such is a great idea. Anyone have any
> idea what the
> cost
> > would be per citizen annually?
> >
> > Valete,
> > Annia Octavia Indagatrix
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen
> Gallagher"
> <spqr753@m...>
> > wrote:
> > > Salve Honorable L. Sicinius Drusus
> > >
> > > What would you like in the black and white
> Eagle with a couple
> of
> > pages and sent to all taxpayers.
> > >
> > > The staff is ready to work on it.
> > >
> > > Tell us what you ( and others ) would like?
> > >
> > > Vale
> > >
> > > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> > > Curator Differum
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: L. Sicinius Drusus
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 1:00 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Census
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Caius Livius Varus Germanicus
> > > <eq_germanicus@y...> wrote:
> > > SNIP
> > > >
> > > > I for one think the people would like to
> get
> > > > something more real by
> > > > getting to actually touch a piece of
> paper; so they
> > > > feel like they
> > > > are getting something real for their
> tax-money. I
> > > > could be wrong, but
> > > > thus far our polling in Ameica
> Boreoccidentalis
> > > > shows that essentialy
> > > > we would like something more real than a
> virtual
> > > > online community.
> > > >
> > > > C. Livius Varus Germanicus
> > > >
> > >
> > > One thing that I would like to see toward
> that goal is
> > > splitting the Eagle into two plublications.
> One would
> > > be the excellant plublication that is
> currently being
> > > produced for subscribers, and the other
> being a simple
> > > one page black and white newsletter that is
> mailed to
> > > all tax paying citizens on a regular basis.
> At first
> > > this newsletter would likely be a quaterly
> or
> > > bimonthly mailing, becomming monthly as we
> increase
> > > the number of real world news events.
> > >
> > > This would give civies something solid that
> they could
> > > hold in thier hands and would insure that
> citizens who
> > > aren't online would be informed of events
> like
> > > meetings and the Census.
> > >
> > >
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Salve,
Since we are a NPC we can get bulk presort rates and
print the "stamp" on the news letter. The anual fee
for this is 150 Dollars. The Standard rate per
newsletter is then 16.5 cents. Automated mailing rates
are lower and can be as low as 11.4 cents per
newsletter.

See:
http://pe.usps.gov/text/qsg/q670.htm

--- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:

> Salve
>
> So we print a newsletter of just announcements and
> like stuff, no pictures or articles on history or
> politics or culture. One or two pages , black and
> white . How many do we print 1928 or more like 400 .
>
>
> 400 at .32 cent US postage for domestic US is
> $128.00 that for first class postage no printing ,
> lets say we get the printing donated that still
> leaves $128.00 per mailing. Say bulk rate is half
> the first class rate that is still $64.00 per
> mailing not counting printing. Then you have to sent
> it outside of the US or have it downloaded from the
> web and then mailed. This can be done but it will
> still cost us something.
>
> As to a name how about AQUILA.
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: L. Sicinius Drusus
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 1:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: A Small Black and
> White Eagle
>
>
> All Tax paying citizens should recive the news
> letter
> as a service that thier taxes are paying for.
>
> One organization that I used to belong to had a
> monthly news letter that was 1 page. The
> Neswletter
> was printed on one side of the page and the other
> side
> had the return address information printed on it
> so it
> could be folded, stapled and only needed an
> address
> and a stamp for mailing.
>
> --- Caius Livius Varus Germanicus
> <eq_germanicus@...> wrote:
> > We do pay taxes. $6 of the Tax goes to the
> > provincia, the other NR
> > retains for...
> > A bulk/mass-mailed one-pager in b/w is dirt
> cheap.
> > I imagine the Capite Censi could send SASE to
> get
> > it, but taxpayers
> > could reasonably expect to get something for
> their
> > taxes couldn't
> > they? Even if it was just a one or two
> > page,double-sided, mass/bulk
> > mailed leaflet.
> >
> > Respectfully,
> > Varus
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen
> > Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
> > wrote:
> > > Salve
> > >
> > > Not much and if Citizens sent in Self-address
> and
> > postage paid
> > envelops even
> > > less.
> > >
> > > Vale
> > >
> > > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> > > Curator Differum
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: aoctaviaindagatrix
> > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2003 6:01 AM
> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: A Small Bblack and
> > White Eagle
> > >
> > >
> > > Salvete,
> > >
> > > I agree that a smaller leaflet type Eagle
> > announcing upcoming
> > > events and such is a great idea. Anyone have
> any
> > idea what the
> > cost
> > > would be per citizen annually?
> > >
> > > Valete,
> > > Annia Octavia Indagatrix
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen
> > Gallagher"
> > <spqr753@m...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Salve Honorable L. Sicinius Drusus
> > > >
> > > > What would you like in the black and white
> > Eagle with a couple
> > of
> > > pages and sent to all taxpayers.
> > > >
> > > > The staff is ready to work on it.
> > > >
> > > > Tell us what you ( and others ) would
> like?
> > > >
> > > > Vale
> > > >
> > > > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> > > > Curator Differum
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: L. Sicinius Drusus
> > > > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 1:00 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Census
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Caius Livius Varus Germanicus
> > > > <eq_germanicus@y...> wrote:
> > > > SNIP
> > > > >
> > > > > I for one think the people would like
> to
> > get
> > > > > something more real by
> > > > > getting to actually touch a piece of
> > paper; so they
> > > > > feel like they
> > > > > are getting something real for their
> > tax-money. I
> > > > > could be wrong, but
> > > > > thus far our polling in Ameica
> > Boreoccidentalis
> > > > > shows that essentialy
> > > > > we would like something more real than
> a
> > virtual
> > > > > online community.
> > > > >
> > > > > C. Livius Varus Germanicus
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > One thing that I would like to see
> toward
> > that goal is
> > > > splitting the Eagle into two
> plublications.
> > One would
> > > > be the excellant plublication that is
> > currently being
> > > > produced for subscribers, and the other
> > being a simple
> > > > one page black and white newsletter that
> is
> > mailed to
> > > > all tax paying citizens on a regular
> basis.
> > At first
> > > > this newsletter would likely be a
> quaterly
> > or
> > > > bimonthly mailing, becomming monthly as
> we
> > increase
> > > > the number of real world news events.
> > > >
> > > > This would give civies something solid
> that
> > they could
> > > > hold in thier hands and would insure
> that
> > citizens who
> > > > aren't online would be informed of
> events
> > like
> > > > meetings and the Census.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Salve Marce et Salve Pomponia,

It's nice to hear that you liked the pictures. Perhaps we will meet
at the next years Rally!

Vale,

>Salve Cai Curi;
> thank you for your wonderful diary, I felt all the enjoyment & then
>the agony of not being there! Next year's Nova Roma Rally will
>definitely have a Hibernian contingent!
> Vale, P. Fabia Vera Attica.
>
>
>In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Marcus Iulius " <m_iulius@v...> wrote:
>> Ave Saturnine,
>>
>> I loved your story about the meeeting and, let me publicly thank
>you for
>> the pages you have arranged! Nice job amice!
>>
>> vale
>> M IVL PERVSIANVS
> > PS ..as I still haven't seen anybody saying "thank you!" ;-)

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Salve,

Thanks for your help. I was also wondering if anyone
could recommend some ancient sources from other areas
that might mention the Vikings, who they were, and
what they were doing and acheived?

Vale bene,

Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura


--- Caius Livius Varus Germanicus
<eq_germanicus@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
Probably the best compendium would be Heimskringla
(basically the
history of the kings of norway). Written a bit after
the period but
it's about as close as you can get without reading
runestones.

Varus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Kristoffer From
<from@d...> wrote:

> Craig Stevenson wrote:
> > Can anyone tell me the names of some primary
> > sources for the Vikings? I'm intreagued by
> > references to a Viking attack on Constantinople,
> > but I really need sources on all aspects. Can
> > anyone assist me?

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Salve Drusus,
the ancient Romans lived in a climate 6-8° C less than the
mediterranean climate. So during the winter you have to think about
a climate of -2 or 0° C and during the summer 26 or 28° C.
Of course the climate is one of the aspects we'll have to take of
care when we'll choose our Forum, but it's not the more important.
I think the best climate is the Jamaica or Baleares ;-) But the
mediterranean weather is perfect in my opinion: 4-6° C during the
winter and 30° C during the summer.

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus"
<lsicinius@y...> wrote:

> Salvete,
>
> I'm afraid that most of these have a climate problem.
> The Forum is intended to be a center for the Religio
> as well as Nova Roma's government. Rites are performed
> outside, and these states just don't have the climate
> for performing a religous rite in a Toga during the
> winter months.
>
> --- Charlie Collins <cotta@s...> wrote:
> > Salvete Omnes,
> > Maybe we should keep track of which state
> > is picked by the Free State Project in which to
> > buy our 108 acres. FSP is now voting on which state
> > is to become it's
> > target. The states
> > being considered are Alaska, Delaware, Idaho,
> > Maine, New Hampshire, Montana, North Dakota, South
> > Dakota, Vermont, and
> > Wyoming.
> > For more info on the FSP you can check out their
> > site:
> > http://www.freestateproject.org
> >
> > Sextus Cornelius Cotta
> > FSP Member
> >
> > AIM: Walhalla47
> > YahooMsgr: iguard2
> >
> >
>
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G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Avete, Quirites.

Heer's a link to "Zeugma":

http://www.arts.uwa.edu.au/Classics/archeology/Z2.html

This site, created by David Kennedy (Univ. of Western Ausrtalia),
provides a detailed update on the dangers presented to the
Graeco-Roman cities of Seleucia and Apamea by the water build-up
behind the Atatürk Dam on the Euphrates which has destroyed the
important sites of Samosata and Zeugma (two major legionary garrisons
first established in the late first century BCE).

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

What do you mean by somewhere else?
Somewhere other than europe? I mean, "London Bridge is falling down"
is about them. The founding of Normandy is about Hrolf/ Rollo and his
continued assault on France, and they finally said "hey look, if you
go away, we'll give you money and this chunk of land." The Anglo-
Saxons wrote frequently abaout the heathen Norsemen. There is a brief
manuscript by Ahmed Ibn Fadlan (yes ala 13th Warrior) where he ran
into some norsemen. The movie 13th warrior combines Ibn Fadlan's
testimony and Beowulf into one story (titled The Eaters Of The Dead
by Michael Crighton). Beowulf is Anglo-Saxon but it is about
norsemen. Largely due to the heavy norse influence (danelaw, etc)

Byzantium had the Varangian Guard, which was originally all-norse,
but by 1066 had northern europeans of all types. The Rus were Swedes
that colonized all the way down to the Black Sea.

The Normans who conquered England were only a couple generations
removed from the Norsemen and the Royalty of Norway, Denmark, England
and Normandy were all shirt-tail relations at the time.

Anyhow, there is a wealth of this stuff online. Just gotta flex your
Google-Fu.

Varus


The Norse were all over--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Craig
Stevenson <gaiussentius@y...> wrote:

> Salve,
>
> Thanks for your help. I was also wondering if anyone
> could recommend some ancient sources from other areas
> that might mention the Vikings, who they were, and
> what they were doing and acheived?
>
> Vale bene,
>
> Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura

Salvete Omnes:

I have a question re: travel in the Roman Empire.

Does anyone have a rough idea of how long it would take to travel (by land) from one end of the Empire to the other (using the boundaries of about 200 CE)?

For the sake of argument, let's say you're unfortunate enough to have to travel from Hadrian's wall in northern Britain to Palmyra in Syria. According to Lionel Casson's book, "Travel in the Ancient World," a trip, overland, from Italy to Spain would take approximately a month; from Italy to Egypt, approximately two months.

So how long might it take to traverse Britain, cross the channel, and then either: (1) head south through Gaul and Spain and across North Africa, and north to Palmyra; or (2) head southeast, past the Alps, then down through the Balkans and across Asia Minor, then south to Palmyra? I realize you could save time by crossing from Italy to Egypt by sea, but let's say you're traveling between October and May, when sea travel by civilians was largely avoided.

Vobis gratias ago.

L. Suetonius Nerva



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Salvete,

I agree with excellent Aedile Apulus Caesar. We must have a priority
to buy land on Europe now. And I will dare even more, we must buy on
Latium, because the gods already know well this place they blessed
and we´re worshipped by the Ancient. But this religious will do not
take the nobility of buying to NR some land to just start, and my
sincere thanks to this worthy and generous act, that fill all hearts
with joy and pleasure.

After, we must buy on South America, Asia and Africa, to have as many
place of gathering around the world for everyone. But sure our
religious core is the city of Rome and Italy, as the ancient religio
is so attached to the land.

Italians, pride and hopes of Nova Roma! Take care well of the sacred
land! And... hum... take a look of some offer on the neighborhoods of
Rome... :)

Vale, on ledice,
L. Arminius Faustus
Senior Plebeian Aedile, questor.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Franciscus Apulus Caesar"
<sacro_barese_impero@l...> wrote:

> Salvete Omnes,
>
> Cotta, I think we could (or should) to search some lands or offers

in

> Europe too. If we would like to recreate the Roman State, maybe

we'll

> have to start where Rome growed and falled. This could give us a
> historical correct link with the past. But this is only my personal
> opinion ;-)
>
> About the proposals, I think everything is good if it shows that

the

> land is of Nova Roma. I prefer a statue or a column but an altar is

a

> good idea too.
>
> Valete
> Fr. Apulus Caesar
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie Collins" <cotta@s...>
> wrote:
> > Salvete Omnes,
> > Maybe we should keep track of which state
> > is picked by the Free State Project in which to
> > buy our 108 acres. FSP is now voting on which state is to become
> it's
> > target. The states
> > being considered are Alaska, Delaware, Idaho,
> > Maine, New Hampshire, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota,

Vermont,

> and
> > Wyoming.
> > For more info on the FSP you can check out their site:
> > http://www.freestateproject.org
> >
> > Sextus Cornelius Cotta
> > FSP Member
> >
> > AIM: Walhalla47
> > YahooMsgr: iguard2

There was a book released last year similar to what you want...It's called 'Route 66AD' a dude and his wife found an ancient travel guide in the NY Public library archives and they followed the guide and itinerary. He describes the trip and includes quotes and descriptions from the guide...I forget the author.

John Walzer <jwalzer5@...> wrote:
Salvete Omnes:

I have a question re: travel in the Roman Empire.

Does anyone have a rough idea of how long it would take to travel (by land) from one end of the Empire to the other (using the boundaries of about 200 CE)?

For the sake of argument, let's say you're unfortunate enough to have to travel from Hadrian's wall in northern Britain to Palmyra in Syria. According to Lionel Casson's book, "Travel in the Ancient World," a trip, overland, from Italy to Spain would take approximately a month; from Italy to Egypt, approximately two months.

So how long might it take to traverse Britain, cross the channel, and then either: (1) head south through Gaul and Spain and across North Africa, and north to Palmyra; or (2) head southeast, past the Alps, then down through the Balkans and across Asia Minor, then south to Palmyra? I realize you could save time by crossing from Italy to Egypt by sea, but let's say you're traveling between October and May, when sea travel by civilians was largely avoided.

Vobis gratias ago.

L. Suetonius Nerva



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L. Suetonius Nerva G. Iulio Scauro salutem dicit.

Salve.

I found your post extremely interesting. Many thanks. I do have several comments.

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> The conflict here is between two fundamentally conflicting models of imperial government, not a mad
> despot and his ravaged, victim senate.
>

I certainly don't think Domitian was, "mad," nor do I regard the senate as a group of docile innocents. Once the Julio-Claudian dynasty imploded and it became apparent that the senate (Galba), the praetorians (Otho), or the armies (Vitellius, Vespasian) could attempt to "make" emperors, it would be amazing if some ambitious senators didn't consider themselves worthier candidates than Domitian. As I indicated in another post re: H G Wells, history rarely arranges itself so neatly and, in the case of Domitian and the senate, the complexity of human nature cautions against a simple "good/evil" dichotomy.

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> His distrust of the senatorial aristocracy was not misplaced.
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Domitian's distrust of the senate may very well have been justified. But I think his response could charitably be described as an overreaction - one which created new enemies while doing nothing to neutralize the old ones, short of murdering them. A more benevolent, less insecure emperor would have regarded Saturninus' revolt as an aberration, since Lappius Maximus, commander in Lower Germany, remained loyal and helped defeat Saturninus. Domitian, suspicions inflamed, chose to see the incident as indicative of conspiracies on all sides and acted accordingly.

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> Our accounts of his relationship with the senate are coloured by the propaganda campaign set in motion by
> Nerva and his successors to justify the regicide and the extinction of the otherwise well-regarded Flavians.
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While Vespasian and Titus were, I admit, "well-regarded," Domitian, if anything, suffered by comparison with the reputations of his father and brother. He may have been well-regarded by the some of the praetorians, who did force the new emperor, Nerva, to hand over several of the conspirators involved in Domitian's assassination. But unless the "terror" of his later years is a total fabrication, I doubt he was very popular. In another recent post, Q. Fabius Maximus made the argument that even the common soldier was not all that enamored of Domitian.

Certainly, a case could be made for some melodramatizing on the part of various historians, but the consensus appears to be that Domitian was a good administrator who was also vindictive, callous, brutal and something of a megalomaniac. He was not a monster but nothing I've read of him inspires either sympathy or admiration. Rather, the Duke of Wellington's remark regarding Britain's King George IV (which has also been applied by another biographer to Kaiser Wilhelm II) comes to mind: "He was a sovereign who lived and died without having been able to assert so much as a single claim on the gratitude of posterity."

Vale.

L. Suetonius Nerva


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