Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Aug 30-31, 2003

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 14643 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-08-30
Subject: Anfore Bridisine [The Bridisine Amphorae]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 14644 From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-08-30
Subject: Re: Fw: How Specifications Live Forever
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 14645 From: Jonas Nilsson Date: 2003-08-30
Subject: Re: Edictum Propraetoricium LXVI about the appointment of the Legat
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 14647 From: Alejandro Carneiro Date: 2003-08-30
Subject: Announcing the next ludi: Prepare yours teams!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 14648 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2003-08-30
Subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - NOVA ROMA HAS LAND! :)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 14649 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2003-08-30
Subject: Re: trajanus' dacian campaign in winter
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 14650 From: Daniel O. Villanueva Date: 2003-08-30
Subject: Attn. Factio Veneta members
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 14651 From: Lucius Equitius Date: 2003-08-30
Subject: Test
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 14652 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-08-31
Subject: The Madaba Map
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 14653 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-08-31
Subject: Fw: [Archaeology] Archaeology course
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 14654 From: sa-mann@libero.it Date: 2003-08-31
Subject: bouncing test
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 14655 From: C.Valerius Publicola Date: 2003-08-31
Subject: Roman state law links?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 14656 From: Gaius Galerius Peregrinator Date: 2003-08-31
Subject: The assassination of Julius Caesar
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 14657 From: Lucius Pompeius Octavianus Date: 2003-08-31
Subject: attn argentinos



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 14643 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-08-30
Subject: Anfore Bridisine [The Bridisine Amphorae]
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here a link to "Anfore Bridisine [The Bridisine Amphorae]":

http://www.dscc.uniba.it/Anfore/Index.htm

This site, created by Mrina Silvestrini (Univ. of Bari) and Paola
Palazzo (Univ. of Tscia, Viterbo), provides a detailed catalogue of
republican-period amphorae from the Ager Brundisinus and their seals,
the latter organised onomastically. It is an excellent resource for
the study of the diversity of the local economy. The site in in
Italian, but may be read in English via Altavista's Babelfish machine
translation facility (with the usual caveats about the shortcomings of
machine translation) at http://world.altavista.com/.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 14644 From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-08-30
Subject: Re: Fw: How Specifications Live Forever
In a message dated 8/29/03 8:11:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
Tiberius@... writes:


> OK Now this is priceless
>
> Valete
> K.M. Tiberius
> Legatus Legio XXI Rapax
> http://www.leg-xxi.org
>

This is urban legend. Romans did not have war chariots...
Valete

Q Fabius Maximus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 14645 From: Jonas Nilsson Date: 2003-08-30
Subject: Re: Edictum Propraetoricium LXVI about the appointment of the Legat
Salvete Omnes!

I, Gallus Minucius Iovinus (Jonas Nilsson) do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of
the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gallus Minucius Iovinus (Jonas Nilsson)
swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Gallus Minucius Iovinus (Jonas Nilsson) swear to uphold and defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in
a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Gallus Minucius Iovinus (Jonas Nilsson) swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gallus Minucius Iovinus (Jonas Nilsson) further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Legatus Regionis Suecicae
and Procurator Aerarium Thulae (Provincial Quaestor) to the best of my
abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position ofLegatus Regionis Suecicae and Procurator Aerarium Thulae
(Provincial Quaestor) and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.

In Suecicae Regio, Thule Provincia, 30th of August MMDCCLVI a.u.c.



>From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus <christer.edling@...>

>Ex Officio Propraetoris Thulae
>
>Edictum Propraetoricium LXVI about the appointment of the Legatus Regionis
>Suecicae (Legate of the Swedish Region) and the Procurator Aerarium Thulae
>(Provincial Quaestor)
>
>It is a great pleasure for me, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus, to appoint a
>close friend to the position of Legatus Regionis Suecicae and Procurator
>Aerarium THulae (Provincial Quaestor) within Provincia Thule and the Cohors
>Propraetoris (The Propraetorian Staff, Provincial Governament)! As a Nova
>Roman citizen within the Provincia Thule, I am proud to greet this old
>friend as a permanent assistant.
>
>I. Honorable Gallus Minucius Iovinus is hereby appointed as Legatus
>Regionis Suecicae (Legate of the Swedish Region).
>
>II. Honorable Gallus Minucius Iovinus is hereby appointed as Procurator
>Aerarium Thulae (Provincial Quaestor).
>
>III. Above appointed official is asked to observe that he is bound by the
>"Approved Regula (Charter) for the Administration of Thule" as it was
>published on the 15th of April 2001.
>
>IV. As a official in Provincia Thule he is asked to within one week swear
>the public oath shown on
>http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/1999-10-19-ii.html, using both his
>Nova Roman name and within parenthesis his macroworld (real) name. Observe
>that the Oath of must include both appointed positions. The Oath must be
>published on the NovaRomaThule List and the Nova Roma Main List!
>
>V. This edictum becomes effective immediately.
>
>Given the 30th of August, in the year of the Consulship of Caeso Fabius
>Quintilianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus, 2756 AUC.
>--
>
>Vale
>
>Caeso Fabius Quintilianus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 14647 From: Alejandro Carneiro Date: 2003-08-30
Subject: Announcing the next ludi: Prepare yours teams!
Citizens!


Nova Roma organizes chariot races during the Ludi Romani Festival
(September 10-14-18) in recollection of the roman customs of
amusement and entertainment.

The races on the Circus wait for yours teams.

Prepare your whips!
Train yours horses!
Repaint yours chariots!

Soon it´ll be time for running on the sand!

In the next days the Ludi will be announced oficially.


Salix Galaicus
Scriba Ludorum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 14648 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2003-08-30
Subject: Re: ANNOUNCEMENT - NOVA ROMA HAS LAND! :)
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher"
> <spqr753@m...>
> > wrote:
> > > Salve Marcus Ambrosius Belisarius
> > >
> > > HELL they wont even let us bring in COFFEE!!!!!!!!! Do you REALLY
> > think that we will be able to get air conditioners by the border
> > patrol .
> > >
> > >
> > > Vale
> > >
> > > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > SNIP

Salve,

That's why I'm planning on lining the roads leading to Nova Roma with
Starbucks and Dunkin' Donuts franchises. <G>

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 14649 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2003-08-30
Subject: Re: trajanus' dacian campaign in winter
G. Iulius Scaurus C. Curio Saturnino salutem dicit.

Salve, C. Curi.

>I was just reading Susan Matterns "Rome and the Enemy" chapter 5,
>page 208. She takes an example of Trajanus' attack against Dacians
>which was conducted in winter, which was quite strange time to attack
>against Dacians, I understood, due the climate conditions.
>
>Mattern proposes couple of interpretations for this exceptional
>action which aimed to conquer Dacia:
>a) Sense of honour was more important than pure reasoning of
>difficulties of winter warfare in Dacia
>b) Roman knowledge of geography was such poor that they didn't know
>what the Dacia was like as they have not yet occupied it (This comes
>from one of her main themes of the book, that the Roman decision
>making elite was educated in rhetorics, not in geography and so for
>the Trajan had "most likely" only a vague idea what he was going to
>wage war with, mostly only mythical legends.)

I think Mattern is on very shaky grounds on the claim that Romans
were ignorant of the geography of Dacia. Roman traders had operated
in Dacia since the incorporation of Macedonia as a province and
Sulla, Lucullus, Pompey, and Caesar had assiduously collected
intelligence from those traders as a result of the threat of
Mithridatic expansion from the Euxine into Dacia. The collection of
intelligence from trade with Dacia continued in the principate.
Domitian's Dacian operations certainly provided additional
intelligence. The argument that the rhetorical training of the Roman
elite blinded them to the importance of milpitary topography is
simply ignorant. The Roman army had long had cartographers and a
well-developed intelligence service, corporating diplomatic and
commercial contacts with military reconnaissance.


>I cannot help seeing these interpretations as weak. First of all
>Mattern does not mention the circumstances of the relationship
>between Dacia and Rome. She mentions that the king of Dacia had
>somehow hurted the honour of Rome, but in what way and when?

Domitian's Dacian campaigns were not exactly stirring victories,
damaged Roman prestige, and exacerbated vulnerabilities in Pannonia
and Moesia.


Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 14650 From: Daniel O. Villanueva Date: 2003-08-30
Subject: Attn. Factio Veneta members
Salvete factio Veneta members!
Begin preparing your chariots horses and drivers!!!. The next Ludi are coming!!!!!. I hope to meet you all!!!
Curate ut valeatis
L. Pompeius Octavianus
Dominus factionis Veneta


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 14651 From: Lucius Equitius Date: 2003-08-30
Subject: Test
Salvete

Please excuse the TEST, I've been bounced from many lists and I hope that I've corrected the problem.

Valete, L Equitius

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 14652 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-08-31
Subject: The Madaba Map
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Avete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "The Madaba Map: A Virtual Travel throught the Holy
places":

http://198.62.75.1/www1/ofm/mad/

This site, an expanded version of a chapter of the book by M.
Piccirillo and E. Alliata, eds., _The Madaba Map Centenary 1897-1997_
(Jerusalem 1999), presents the the Madaba Map, 6th-7th-century C.E.
Byzantine Christian mosaic map from the floor of a church in Madaba,
Jordan. The Madaba Map, although late, Christian and eastern, has
interesting implications for the evolution of Roman cartography which,
oddly enough, bear on some of the same issues which the discussion of
Roman military cartography of Dacia raised. The site has excellent
photographs of the map. I shall post a few other relevant articles
from the volume over the next few days.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 14653 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-08-31
Subject: Fw: [Archaeology] Archaeology course
Salve

FYI

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
----- Original Message -----
From: Mikey Brass
To: Recipient list suppressed
Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 6:11 PM
Subject: [Archaeology] Archaeology course


I'm offering an internet-based archaeology course on world archaeology,
which will run from 5 October until 30 November 2003. The cost is £30/$50.
All the materials are provided for you. The course itself is divided into
four modules, each last two weeks with one week dedicated to reading and
the second week to e-mail discussions.

1. Introduction to and history of archaeology, evolutionary theory, dating
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2. Our early hominin ancestors, an overview of Multiregionalism and
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Swartkrans
3. The Middle Stone Age-Later Stone Age and Middle Palaeolithic-Upper
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4. The Neolithic Revolution in the Fertile Crescent, early state formation,
carbon isotopes and an indepth examination of the site of Great Zimbabwe

http://www.antiquityofman.com/course_worldarchaeology.html

===========
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Archaeology BSocSci(Hons), University of Cape Town
"The Antiquity of Man" http://www.antiquityofman.com
Book: "The Antiquity of Man: Artifactual, fossil and gene records explored"
In The Hall of Ma'at: http://www.thehallofmaat.com




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 14654 From: sa-mann@libero.it Date: 2003-08-31
Subject: bouncing test
sorry bouncing test
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 14655 From: C.Valerius Publicola Date: 2003-08-31
Subject: Roman state law links?
C.Publicola omnibus salutem dicit plurimam

Is here somebody having links to the Internet resources concerning the Roman state law?
By the way, concerning coffee... It is really impossible, that ancient Romans tried this wonder-working drink?
I mean - a very rare wonder Egiptian medicine...

Valete

mailto:alexus1978@...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 14656 From: Gaius Galerius Peregrinator Date: 2003-08-31
Subject: The assassination of Julius Caesar
Salvete:

I just finished reading an interesting book just recently published,
The Assassination of Julius Caesar by Michael Parenti. In his book, Parenti
surveys the social conditions of the common roman, your average Aulus, which
constituted the vast majority of the Romans and in that background surveys a
list of reformers and he places Julius Caesar as the last in that list of
reformers who were assassinated and slandered.

I came out of this book liking Caesar a lot more than I did before,
specially that I had just read a book on Alexander who was incredibly
vindictive and brutal. In fact, that seems to have been the norm in the
ancient world and Caesar seems to be an exception in that regard as he
showed magnanimity in victory and did not persecute his ennemies and tried
to make friends of them instead. And if you are an admirer of Cicero,
you're in for a shock

It is a small book that could be read in one sitting. Here is an
excerpt from the blurb in the back cover:

"Most historians, both ancient and modern, have viewed the late Republic
of Rome through the eyes of its rich nobility. They regard Roman commoners
as a parasitic mob, a rabble only interested in bread and circuses. They
cast Caesar, who took up the popular cause, as a despot and demagogue, and
treat his murder as the outcome of a personal feud or constitutional
struggle, devoid of social content. In The Assassination of Julius Caesar,
the distinguished author Michael Parenti subjects these assertions of
"gentlemen historians" to a bracing critique, and presents us with a
compelling story of popular resistance against power and wealth...."

Here is an excerpt from the book itself:

"The "mobs" of eighteenth- and nineteenth - century England and France
are described by the upper class critics of those times as composed of
beggars, convicts, and other lowlife detritus. But records reveal that
rebel crowds consisted of farm laborers, masons, and various other kinds of
craftsmen, along with shopkeepers, wine merchants, cooks, porters, domestic
servants, miners, and urban laborers, almost all of fixed abode, some
temporarily unemployed, only a handful of whom were vagrants or had criminal
records." And these, the Roman mob, are really what Parenti writes about,
the people and those who championed their cause, Caesar being the most
prominent.


And here is something which I did not know nor expect:

"Today in modern Rome, amidst the ruins of the forum there stands the
temple of Julius Caesar, reputedly built upon the very site where his
earthly remains had been burned. Indeed, it seems centrally situated in the
forum, just where Caesar's body would most likely have been placed. The
temple is a modest one story structure composed of the dark narrow bricks
that were the common building material of the Republic public edifices.
(Rome did not become a city of marbles until Augustus). It is said that the
ashes of Caesar pyre still rest somewhere beneath the structure. To this
day, every year on 15 March, numerous bouquets of flowers are left at the
temple entrance by persons unknown."


I know that here in this forum there are many people who are
diametrically opposed to Parenti's conclusions, and it would be interesting
to hear their arguments. I am no expert and I am still learning.

Valete

G. Galerius Peregrinator.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 14657 From: Lucius Pompeius Octavianus Date: 2003-08-31
Subject: attn argentinos
Salvete omnes cives argentini
Les recuerdo que en el mes de Agosto hemos tenido una interesante
discusión en la lista provincial
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Argentina .
I remind you that in the month of August we held an interesting
discussion at the provincial mailing list
http://ar.groups.yahoo.com/group/NR_Argentina
Curate ut valeatis
L. Pompeius Octavianus