Salvete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Here's a link to "Celtic Improvisations: An Art-Historical Analysis of
Coriosolite Coins":

http://www.writer2001.com/improvisations.htm


This site, by John Hooker, provides book-length catalogue, and study
of dating, and classification of Coriosolite coinage with an
interesting chapter on numismatic expression of Amorican religious
ideas. The Coriosolites of Brittany have left the largest number of
extant Celtic coins. One particularly interesting aspect of this work
is the way numismatic evidence provides an insight into the milieu
from which Romano-Celtic syncretism arose.

And also N.V. Rybot's "The Cache of Gaulish Coins," transcribed from
his manuscript, the report on the largest hoard of Coriosolite coins:

http://www.writer2001.com/rybot-transcript.htm

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

G. Iulius Scuarus G. Cornelio Ahenobarbo salutem.

Salve, G. Corneli.

>Eh Jullila,
>You might be good at the history quiz, but my driver Jaculator will take
>yours down in the Circus Maximus!
>See you at the semis!

Estne Jaculator tuus libertus, qui praenomen, quod Graeci "Eugenios"
appellant, habet? Si est, da E. Jaculatori salutationem meam et bonam
fortunam. Si ad postremum in Circo Maximo vincat, forum in colore
factionis cloeique E. Jaculatoris magni pignam, sed scio me pigmenti
non egiturum esse.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salve Gaius Modius,

Curio Britannicus also serves on my provincial staff.
He had a few difficulties paying his taxes via paypal
and I believe I'm correct when I say he eventually
paid via snail mail direct to our Consular Quaestors.

Perhaps they would care to investigate and comment.
Off-list would be preferable to save my scriba from
further unnecessary embarrassment for what appears to
be a clerical error.

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus
Propraetor Britanniae.

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Salvete, omnes.

A matter was just brought to my attention. Please compare the two pages
listed below:

http://www.novaroma.org/religio_romana/deities.html
http://www.crystalinks.com/romegods.html

As I'm not sure how our page came into existence, I can't know for sure
whether we've both copied from a common source, we've copied from them
or they've copied from us. But the two pages have almost word-by-word
exactly the same text.

Anyone knowing anything about where our page's original text came from,
please share the knowledge.

Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.

Salvete Omnes,
what do you think about the Ludi Romani? I hope you're appreciating
them.

Some of us celebrated Rome and our Mother Land one month ago in
Bonomia during the II Nova Roma International Rally.
In the past you have read the messages by several of the
partecipants to the meeting, from the Consul to Caius Curius
Saturninus and Manius Constantinus Serapio. We had 3 wonderful days
between expertimenal demonstrations of military tactics by Gens
Solaria, discussions about Academiae and Magna Mother Project,
diorama and conferences about the gladiatorial fights, etc.

On-line there are a couple of websites within wonderful photos about
the Rally like http://www.insulaumbra.com/nreurope2003/ or
http://www.geocities.com/m_iulius/Bologna/meeting.htm and the pics
by Lucius Iulius Sulla in the Pinacotheca area.

Now Marcus Iulius Perusianus created for Provincia Italia and my
Cohors a film about the Rally, a wonderful little movie showing you
what happened in Bologna.

Look the movie at http://www.novaroma.org/gallery/nrr2003/

[Keep attenction: the file is an Mpeg of 5,7 Mb, so I don't suggest
to download the file if you have a slow internet connection.]

In the movie, you can look the italic citizens, our Consul and
guests from Thule and Germania Provinciae, the Gens Solaria and the
guys of Praetoria Bononiensa [http://lacompagnia.bo.it] affiliated
to the Federation Ars Dimicandi (www.arsdimicandi.it].
They shows the fights of a groups of soldiers in battle (attack and
defense), the direct fight and the using of the weapons.

Enjoy the movie!

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile

--- Kristoffer From <from@...> wrote:

> Salvete, omnes.
>
> A matter was just brought to my attention. Please
> compare the two pages
> listed below:
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/religio_romana/deities.html
> http://www.crystalinks.com/romegods.html
>
> As I'm not sure how our page came into existence, I
> can't know for sure
> whether we've both copied from a common source,
> we've copied from them
> or they've copied from us. But the two pages have
> almost word-by-word
> exactly the same text.
>
> Anyone knowing anything about where our page's
> original text came from,
> please share the knowledge.
>
> Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.
>

Salve,

It's fairly certain that we couldn't have coppied from
Crystallinks, a whois check returns this information.

Registrant:
Crystalinks (CRYSTALINKS-DOM)
10031 4th Avenue Apt 6A
Brooklyn, NY 11209
US

Domain Name: CRYSTALINKS.COM

Administrative Contact:
Crystal, Ellie (EC1648) crystal@...
Crystalinks
10031 4TH AVE
BROOKLYN, NY 11209-8335
US
718-833-4264 fax: 833-5324
Technical Contact:
TigNet Network Services (AD1212-ORG)
domadmin@...
TigNet Network Services
13191 Starkey Rd Ste 2
Largo, FL 33777
US
000-000-0000 fax: 000-000-0000

Record expires on 11-Sep-2007.
Record created on 08-Oct-2002.
Database last updated on 16-Sep-2003 05:59:51 EDT.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.CRYSTALINKS.COM 216.93.174.224
NS2.CRYSTALINKS.COM 216.93.174.224


The Crystal links site is less than a year old and our
Religio page is far older than that, so either they
coppied from us, or we coppied from a common source.
If the later is true and we don't have permission to
use that material we are both violating copyright laws
and we need to change the page on our site as soon as
possible. If Nova Roma's page is an original work,
then it's author needs to contact Crystallinks
regarding a violation of his/her copyright if the
copyright hasn't been assigned to Nova Roma. If Nova
Roma holds the Copyright, then we need to contact
Crystallinks ASAP.


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Salve,

As far as I am aware, at least the initial information on the Gods page was
written by Flavius Vedius Germanicus. Germanicus was our webmaster at the time
and started both that and the page on Roman Festivals. They've been filled out
since he started them, I believe... but I'm pretty certain that the text
wasn't plagerized from another site.

It occurs to me that we don't have anyone 'official' to deal with these
matters. I don't know who would be best to take on the duty. Me as PM? The Consuls?
The Senate? Our Webmaster? Our Praetors?
I'd certainly be willing to do it, but we really ought to have a procedure in
place for this kind of thing. It's not the first time this has happened.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

--- Kristoffer From <from@...> wrote:

> Salvete, omnes.
>
> A matter was just brought to my attention. Please
> compare the two pages
> listed below:
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/religio_romana/deities.html
> http://www.crystalinks.com/romegods.html
>
> As I'm not sure how our page came into existence, I
> can't know for sure
> whether we've both copied from a common source,
> we've copied from them
> or they've copied from us. But the two pages have
> almost word-by-word
> exactly the same text.
>
> Anyone knowing anything about where our page's
> original text came from,
> please share the knowledge.
>
> Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.
>

Salve,

It's fairly certain that we couldn't have coppied from
Crystallinks, a whois check returns this information.

Registrant:
Crystalinks (CRYSTALINKS-DOM)
10031 4th Avenue Apt 6A
Brooklyn, NY 11209
US

Domain Name: CRYSTALINKS.COM

Administrative Contact:
Crystal, Ellie (EC1648) crystal@...
Crystalinks
10031 4TH AVE
BROOKLYN, NY 11209-8335
US
718-833-4264 fax: 833-5324
Technical Contact:
TigNet Network Services (AD1212-ORG)
domadmin@...
TigNet Network Services
13191 Starkey Rd Ste 2
Largo, FL 33777
US
000-000-0000 fax: 000-000-0000

Record expires on 11-Sep-2007.
Record created on 08-Oct-2002.
Database last updated on 16-Sep-2003 05:59:51 EDT.

Domain servers in listed order:

NS.CRYSTALINKS.COM 216.93.174.224
NS2.CRYSTALINKS.COM 216.93.174.224


The Crystal links site is less than a year old and our
Religio page is far older than that, so either they
coppied from us, or we coppied from a common source.
If the later is true and we don't have permission to
use that material we are both violating copyright laws
and we need to change the page on our site as soon as
possible. If Nova Roma's page is an original work,
then it's author needs to contact Crystallinks
regarding a violation of his/her copyright if the
copyright hasn't been assigned to Nova Roma. If Nova
Roma holds the Copyright, then we need to contact
Crystallinks ASAP.


=====
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Salve Gaius Cornelius,

I don't want to subtract from the fun atmosphere of the Ludi Romani, (and I
hope no one else will either!) but I do hope that you will contact the
Collegium Pontificum next time you think about doing this sort of thing. We'd have
been more than happy to help give advice. :)

The use of an 'effigy' in place of a sacrifice has been discussed before. It
was interesting to see photos of someone actually do it, and I must say I was
impressed with the bull you made!

However, you seem to have tried to mix the Religio Romana and Mithraism
together for your offering, which kind of confused the issue.

As it happens, the Mithraists did not immolate bulls. They also didn't
reenact the "tauroctony", the scene where Mithras sacrifices the bull. And of
course, they wouldn't have been the ones do do public offerings for the Ludi.

For the moment I'll take it that your attempt to sacrifice for the Ludi was a
genuine one, rather than an attempt to joke or just 'pretend' to do a
sacrifice to the Gods. (That wouldn't be so good.)

If you'd asked the Collegium, we'd have been happy to describe the historical
method of the immolatio. For instance, you'd have wanted to be dressed in
white tunic and toga, and have attendants. The rite would be done at day, rather
than night, and without the Mithraic cap, etc.

This is how we all learn, of course! But since NR is so new, and there have
been so few sacrifices for the games, it's a good idea to make them as proper
as we can.

Hope you enjoy the Ludi Romani!

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus



Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus writes:

Recently I preformed the Ritual of immolating a bull to Jupiter, for the
benefit of our Factio, and my racer in the Ludi Romani. Please check out these
great photos from Ocean Beach in San Francisco California:

http://pix.ilanio.com/instant/030911/

Hopefully, Veneta and my Racer Flavius Jaculator will prevail!


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Dear Cousin:

There are Shakespere's "Julius Caesar" and George B. Shaw's "Caesar and Cleopatra". Both excellent plays although the Bard's is a bit overdone for some people's tastes. Of course, Platus' works use stock figures or stereotypes that were popular in ancient times. I have never heard of anyone using the "one-man show" idea in connection with a famous Roman. The late Sir Alec Guiness did a bit of a soliliquy in "The Fall of the Roman Empire" but that is the only one I can recall. I wish you luck with your idea and plans.

Flavi Galeri

Salvete Omnes,
an off-topic comment...
The music in the background of the website is a very famous italian
song, "Non è Francesca", of 70s by Lucio Battisti. It talked about a
man that refuse to think that his woman betrays him.
A very beautuful and popular song.

:-D

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Kristoffer From <from@d...> wrote:
> Salvete, omnes.
>
> A matter was just brought to my attention. Please compare the two
pages
> listed below:
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/religio_romana/deities.html
> http://www.crystalinks.com/romegods.html
>
> As I'm not sure how our page came into existence, I can't know for
sure
> whether we've both copied from a common source, we've copied from
them
> or they've copied from us. But the two pages have almost word-by-
word
> exactly the same text.
>
> Anyone knowing anything about where our page's original text came
from,
> please share the knowledge.
>
> Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.

Salve Titus Pius,

> As I'm not sure how our page came into existence, I can't know for sure
> whether we've both copied from a common source, we've copied from them
> or they've copied from us. But the two pages have almost word-by-word
> exactly the same text.

I've noticed in quite a few cases that NR texts are quoted word for word on
other websites: especially the Religio texts. This was very annoying to me
when I was searching the internet for info on the Relgio. Since most of our
texts have been written by our own people (and if not our source is stated)
then my guess is that these other websites lifted our info and are using it
without permission.

Vale,
Diana Moravia

Salve Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus,

Nice bull effigy! It's clear that you put a lot of time and energy into
organising this ritual. I for one am not at all against your using an effigy
instead of a real bull. But...in some of those photos you look as it you
are laughing like the sacrifice is a big joke. I hope that instead it is
just the photo catching you at an off moment (and that can happen) and that
the 'sacrifice' even though done in the name of a virtual Ludi, was done
with sincere intentions.

Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina

> Recently I preformed the Ritual of immolating a bull to Jupiter, for the
> benefit of our Factio, and my racer in the Ludi Romani. Please check out

these

> great photos from Ocean Beach in San Francisco California:
>
> http://pix.ilanio.com/instant/030911/

What was that Scaurus? You'll have to forgive those of us who don't know
languages spoken by dead Romans...
(apologies to M. Pythonicus)

>
>G. Iulius Scuarus G. Cornelio Ahenobarbo salutem.
>
>Salve, G. Corneli.
>
>
>Estne Jaculator tuus libertus, qui praenomen, quod Graeci "Eugenios"
>appellant, habet? Si est, da E. Jaculatori salutationem meam et bonam
>fortunam. Si ad postremum in Circo Maximo vincat, forum in colore
>factionis cloeique E. Jaculatoris magni pignam, sed scio me pigmenti
>non egiturum esse.
>
>Vale.
>
>G. Iulius Scaurus
>
>

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Please remember, citizens, that plagiarism is the highest form of flattery or the last refuge of the lazy scholar. I don't really know if it is worth the time, money, and effort to track down these miscreants and make them recant. However, perhaps the PM should contact the webmasters of the sites that are using NR original material and ask them to give NR the credit and get a link to our organization so we might be able to reap the benefit of new members.
Just a thought.

F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus

In a message dated 9/16/2003 12:03:44 PM GMT Daylight Time,
cassius622@... writes:
I don't want to subtract from the fun atmosphere of the Ludi Romani, (and I
hope no one else will either!) but I do hope that you will contact the
Collegium Pontificum next time you think about doing this sort of thing. We'd
have
been more than happy to help give advice. :)
Salve Marcus Cassius Julianus,
We young Nova Romans have very little to stand on in our efforts to properly
uphold our end of the pax deorum. As I have broached this topic before on two
occasions privately I would like to make my peace more publicly this third. We
have a few articles from the main site and that's just about it. Occasionally
someone will post an idea and then be corrected, which its nice to a point.
But I'm beginning to get the impression that those who actually put in the
effort and share their experiences have nothing to look forward to but
corrections. If someone with the knowledge would teach us correctly to begin with, there
wouldn't be the need. I feel this state of affairs is daunting to those of us
who seek to do anything concerning the religio, and furthermore I doubt the
efficiency of the Collegium. The reason for this rather bold statement stems
from the lack of progress I have seen in regard to the formal documentation of
the religio and its relation to Nova Roma. While you are an honorable and
dutiful Pontifex Maximus, the people of Nova Roma need to see these things
solidified. Otherwise we are just guessing, which as I've stated leads us into constant
errors. It is the duty of the Collegium to guide us, I understand that
codifying the practices of the religio would be time consuming, but if not the
Pontificies...then who?

Vale,
I.A.A.Musa


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Salve Cai Corneli;
not G rated I believe..;) Better sign up for Academia Thules
Basic Latin like I did & you'll be privy to all the good stuff.
Vale, Pomponia Fabia Vera Attica

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus"
<ahenobarbus@h...> wrote:

> What was that Scaurus? You'll have to forgive those of us who

don't know

> languages spoken by dead Romans...
> (apologies to M. Pythonicus)
>
>
> >
> >G. Iulius Scuarus G. Cornelio Ahenobarbo salutem.
> >
> >Salve, G. Corneli.
> >
> >
> >Estne Jaculator tuus libertus, qui praenomen, quod

Graeci "Eugenios"

> >appellant, habet? Si est, da E. Jaculatori salutationem meam et

bonam

> >fortunam. Si ad postremum in Circo Maximo vincat, forum in colore
> >factionis cloeique E. Jaculatoris magni pignam, sed scio me

pigmenti

> >non egiturum esse.
> >
> >Vale.
> >
> >G. Iulius Scaurus
> >
> >
>
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Oh, it was no joke, I was just very, very pleased that everything from the
weather (which is a very tricky and fickle thing here in San Francisco), to
transport, to my friends agreeing to do it and photograph it. I read a
little liturgy (that book) that I had written. Dunno where a real one could
be found, but it was as authentic as I could imagine it.

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Salvete,

> I pointed that out after the tax period ended. It was ignored by

our

> Consuls. This will probably be ignored as well.

Sulla, you can speak for the main list, but the lack of a main list
announcement does not constitute ignoring. The Consuls did not
ignore the issue.

Athanasios, it's a long story, but I have already been contacted
privately, and it will be dealt with off-list. You're correct,
however, that it's an irregular issue and needs to be addresssed.

Bene valete,
Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus.

Salve:

I can only imagine three possible situations.

a. you paid your taxes, and the website is wrong.
b. you didn't pay your taxes, and the website is right.
c. you paid your taxes, and the check was lost in the mail and all you need
to do is issue a new check.

While I was running for Tribune, in the endless run-off elections earlier
this year I was told that if I did not pay my taxes by (I believe it was April
first) I would not be eligible to continue running for office.

I am of the opinion that if you are still legitimately Capite Censi that you
should be removed from office. Any explanation, IMO, is simply an excuse --
and as a citizen I hold you accountable for your lack of attention to detail.

Vale;

G. Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 9/16/2003 4:36:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
Marcusaemiliusscaurus@... writes:

Athanasios, it's a long story, but I have already been contacted
privately, and it will be dealt with off-list. You're correct,
however, that it's an irregular issue and needs to be addresssed.

Bene valete,
Marcus Scribonius Curio Britannicus.


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Avete omnes,

the answers to yesterday's questions:

>Question n.9 - Marcus Aurelius and the control of the Empire
>For the expedition against the Parths, Marcus Aurelius sent three >legions:

what were their name? Which castrum (name of the city) do >they came from?

A. Legio I Minerva from Bonna (Bonn, Germany),
Legio II Adiutrix from Aquincum (Budapest, Hungary),
Legio V Macedonica from Troesmis (Iglita, Romania).

>Marcus Aurelius, for the first time since the beginning of the Empire,
>created a new legion with its headquartier in Italy: what was the name
>of this Legion and in which town it was settled?

A. The II Parthica stationed in Albano (10 km south of modern Rome)

The new rating.... It's seems impossible that Magna has lost one point this
time... but it's too late for anyone! with only two questions to go, we
have the winner!

1) Julilla Sempronia Magna, 17 pts
2) Isidora Galeria Sergia, 12 pts
3) Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, 10 pts
4) Gaius Iulius Scaurus, 6 pts
5) Lucius Iulius Sulla, 5 pts
6) Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, 3 pts
7) Quintus Fabius Maximus, 2 pts

A question about what is probably the greatest Roman monument (in term of
quantity of material) that still we have today.

Question n.10 - The Aurelian walls
How long was the total length of the walls? What is their average height?
How many principal gates the Aurealian walls had at the beginning? What
a "posterula" is? What kind of construction technique (opus) was used for
the entire work?
Say at least one pre-existent monuments included in the walls at the moment
of the their construction.


waiting for your answers to m_iulius@v... (m_iulius at virgilio.it)

valete

Marcus Iulius Perusianus
Scriba Curatoris Differum
-------------------------
Provincia Italia: http://italia.novaroma.org
Senior Aedile Cohors: http://italia.novaroma.org/fac
The site of the Roman monuments:
http://italia.novaroma.org/signaromanorum

A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
greetings.

I hope you're all well; I'm well.

For those of you hoping for some literary gossip about
our own Senator Cornelius Sulla, I'm sorry: this is a
question about the ancient version (died 79 BC).

I'm researching a play set around that time in which
I'd like Sulla to feature, and I want to try to get
his style of speech right (or plausible, which is
usually as close to 'right' as historical fiction can
get). Can anyone tell me:

- Do any fragments (known or suspected) of his poetry
or prose survive, and where can I find them?

- Are there any surviving passages in other authors
which are thought to be closely based on Sulla's own
writing?

- Are there any descriptions of his style of speech or
writing in any surviving texts?

My Latin is poor, so works or translations in English
would be good, but I'll have a go at Latin or French
(and I'll ask my fiancee to help me with any German or
ancient Greek).

Thanks in advance.

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AVETE OMNES

Welcome to the semi finals of the Nova Roman Ludi Circenses!
Everything is ready for another exciting series of races, the one
which decide who will take part to the Finals, thus having the
opportunity to reach the Olympus of the Aurigae!

The Circus is full, while on the track you can see exotic shows.
Aedilis Apulus wanted to honour Rome during these Ludi showing
everybody the treasures of the eastern lands. Egyptian dancers,
Nabatean acrobats, Greek singers, but also Gallic fire-swallowers.
Consuls Quintilianus and Fortunatus, on the main terrace, appreciate
it, while on the opposite side the same small group of people hisses
and rails attempting to spoil Rome's feast. But people don't listen
to what they say. The show is starting, and the important is playing.

-------------------------
GROUP 1
-------------------------
Manius Constantinus Serapio
Chariot: Essedum
Driver: Italicus
Factio: Praesina

Lucius Pompeius Octavianus
chariot : Crux Australis
driver : Victor Hispanicus
factio: Veneta

Marcus Iulius Perusianus
chariot: Lupus in Fabula
driver: Tenax
FACTIO: Russata

Hadrianus Arminius Hyacinthus
chariot: Volans
driver: Pertinax
Factio: Russata

Salix Galaicus set a group of white doves free. That's the signal
that the first race of the semi finals is ready. People look at the
track and then go crazy. The chariots appeared! Bookmakers tip
Serapio's chariot to win, so you'll get a few money if you bet on
the italic auriga.
Thos who try to defeat him are the blue Victor Hispanicus and two
reds, Tenax and Pertinax, of Arminius Hyacintus, famous members of
Factio Russata.
Chariot are ready and people wait silentlyÂ…Go!
The uproar of the hooves and the wheels is tremendous. The start is
breathtaking! Pertinax immediately takes the lead by cutting in on
Tenax, which curses him because of his fellow racer's unfair action.
The Dominus Russatae shall regret not having spoken to his aurigae.
The battle is behind too. Italicus and Victor, are fighting wheel to
wheel.
The red chariots have the same tactic. They both pass the curves
closely to the spina, and they're so close that they often touchÂ…
sparks fly! Tenax can't tolerate Pertinax' slight and, despite his
owner Iulius Perusianus' yells, approaches the enemy chariot and
throws a spoke in its wheel. The chariot suddenly stops and Pertinax
flies onward falling down with the head in the earth. Russata's fans
are amazed.
Tenax takes the lead but the other chariots chase him. It's the last
lap and they just hurried.
But suddenly a togated spectator pops up yelling "These are
illogical games, they're not valid, I'm the best game inventor, I
know history, Rome is mine!" and attempt to hit Perusianus' chariot.
Tenax manage to avoid him, but the other don't. Victor Hispanicus
curbs but as soon as the horses see that awful individual they turn
back and start running in the wrong direction.
Italicus must decide who he will have to collide, the man or Victor?
But he has no time to think: he finds himself under the Iberian
horse.
Lupus in Fabula wins, Perusianus laughs. Serapio is furious. He has
been seen while talking with Aedilis Apulus' flunkeys. That man will
have a nice surprise outside the Circus.

Results:
1st - accident
2nd - Lupus in Fabula
3rd - accident
4th - accident

Qualifies for Final: Lupus in Fabula

--------------
GROUP 2
--------------

Sextus Arminius Remus
chariot: Fulminatora
driver: Remus
Factio: Russata

Julilla Sempronia Magna
chariot: Delecta Mea
driver: Crescens
Factio: Praesina

Lucius Suetonius Nerva
Chariot: Umbra Coccinea
Driver: Florianus
Factio: Russata

Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus
chariot: Phaeton
driver: Flavius Jaculator
Factio: Veneta


It rained a lot on Rome during these days. While during the quarters
heat was stifling, today temperature is delightful, perhaps even a
wee bit too cold. Autumn already reached Rome, and the track of the
circus is soaked. The Aedilis ordered to put new sand from river
Tiber, but after the first race the situation is that of the
beginning.
The drivers stop stroking the horses. It looks like Crescens, the
favourite, is speaking to his animals. Is that the secret of his
success? From the terraces Cornelius Ahenobarbus looks at his
chariot holding a cup. It seems to be the blood of a bull. Somebody
saw him while making a sacrifice to Mars on the beach of Ostia.
Here is the signal, the chariots start rising a huge cloud of slime.
The red Florianus takes the lead, followed by his fellow driver
Remus. Disagreements within the Russata seems to have concluded.
Umbra Coccinea runs quickly, Nerva from the terraces cheers the
auriga. But at the second curve he's too fast. The horses slide on
the mud and the chariot goes aheadcrashing against the wall.
Spectators are covered with mud, which is useful to rejuvenate the
skin and tone up the muscles. It seems that the beauty farm `Nerva's
Baths' is getting much success in this period among patrician womenÂ…
Pieces of Florianus' chariot are on the track, but the other
chariots keep running. The last dolphins go down and Crescens
decides it's time to attack. The auriga yells something to the
horses and the chariot seems to be flying. Remus, which has been
outstripped, attempt to reach him, as only the winner will go to the
final. But the ground is too soft and a horse stumbles over a
fragment of Fulminatoria, and breaks a leg. The sad driver has to
stop, while Arminius Remus thinks how much he paid for that horseÂ…
Meanwhile on the terraces Ahenobarus drinks from his cup and after
each drink Phaeton runs faster.
But not enough. Delecta Mea seems to have a more powerful sponsor on
the Olympus. It wins and the green supporters exult!

Results:
1st - accident
2nd - Delecta Mea
3rd - accident
4th - Phaeton

Qualifies for Final: Delecta Mea


--------------------
GROUP 3
--------------------

Lucius Arminius Faustus
Chariot: Veiense
Driver: Livius Pacuvius
Factio: Russata.

Numerius Cassius Niger
chariot: Leo
driver: Yehuda ben Avram
Factio: Praesina

Titus Arminius Genialis
driver: Fabius Brasilicus
chariot: Paulicea
Factio: Russata

Pomponia Fabia Vera Attica
chariot: "Stella Iudaeae"
driver: Aretas
Factio: Praesina

During the short pause before the third race the generous Consul
Quintilianus offered a banquet with exquisite elk ham coming from
the northern regions of Germania. Aedilis Apulus shows proudly a
sack full of sestertii, and boasts of the fortune spent to organize
the gamesÂ… `Everything you see here is to honour Rome, my friends!',
he says playing the peacock.
Meanwhile the battle is on the track as well as on the terraces:
Russata against Praesina. There is no famous name and the hopes of
each Factio are on Leo and Paulicea. Servants keeps bringing elks to
the main terrace, while green fans throw red apples against the
enemy supporters. The Reds reciprocate with fennels.
After the signal the chariots start. Except oneÂ…. Paulicea by
Arminius Genialis! He's stuck in the mud which didn't dry yet.
Fabius Brasilicus quickly gets down from the chariot and tries to
push it helped by several servants, but in vain. Veiense keeps the
first position, far from Stella Iudeae and Leo. He keeps looking
back. He's the only red now and he fears some reprisal.
At the start line Fabius Brasilicus is still and the green
supporters keeps throwing red vegetables like radicchio, carrots,
raspberries, etc.
Veiense tries to hurry and the finish line is close. He sees the
last dolphin going down. But that's the signal for the green
chariots and their famous tactic. The excited horses gallop and
Aretas approaches Livius Pacuvius like a star.
The fight is exciting, Niger's chariot seems to lead the race but
Aretas hurries at the last curve. They are reaching the last
straight line but there they find Fabius Brasilicus which is still
trying to free the chariot from the mud. The chariots are too fast
and that poor driver doesn't see them arriving. The crush is
tremendous, Leo rears and falls back, Stella Iudeae hits the
terraces and flies away like a true comet.
Yehuda ben Avram will save himself by hiding himself under the
chariot. They're still looking for Fabius Brasilicus under the mud,
and Aretas is the most shining star on the right of the Great Bear.
Surprisingly Livius Pacuvius goes to the final!

Results:
1st - accident
2nd - accident
3rd - accident
4th - Veiense

Qualifies for Final: Veiense


-------------
GROUP 4
-------------

Roscia Annaea Pia
chariot: Fortuna
driver: Felix Fortunatus
Factio: Veneta

Titus Licinius Crassus
Chariot: Orionis Draco
Driver: Equus Magnus
Factio: Veneta


G. Iulius Scaurus
chariot: Raptor Cruentus
driver: C. Iulius Zosimus
Factio: Praesina

Gn. Dionysius Draco (formerly known as M. Octavius Solaris)
Chariot: Fulmen Draconis
Driver: Damnator
Factio: Albata

The track of Circus Maximus is a disaster. Mud is mixed with chariot
pieces, horse blood, elk horns and a low voice comes from under the
mudÂ… somebody is thereÂ…
The search for Fabius Brasilicus continues and Aedilis Apulus had
several dogs coming too.
Ahenobarbus keeps making bull sacrifices on the terraces with the
other members of factio Veneta. The smell of burnt meet is
unbearable.
The sun is setting and horses paw. The prize is the last
qualification for the finals, and the drivers could do everything to
see their name in the history of the Ludi.
Felix Fortunatus yells against Zosimus and ask Ahenobarbus for
another sacrifice.
Damnator is the only white player and want to honour his factio.
The fastest one after the start is Equus Magnus. His chariot Orionis
Draco stakes everything on its quickness.
But during the first lap you can already understand how violent the
race will be. Fortuna reaches the first one and tries to push him
against the wall. Equus Magnus creeps along the wall, looses the
control but manages to keep the chariot on the track, even though
now he's the last one.
Damnator is unrestrained. He approaches Felix Fortunatus and the
wheels cross. The drivers try to push each other against the wall.
It's just a matter of strength, or maybe of luck.
Spectators near the track scream each time the chariots pass, while
the others exult and ask for blood.
What a great race, folk! Who will have the strongest horses?
Damnator ask his horses for a last effort. His horses still manage
to pull the blue chariot. Fortuna ("the Luck") is not that lucky,
between the enemy and the wall, and crushes.
Annaea Pia despairs on the terraces and cries out for vengeance. But
the horses of the white chariot are now exhausted. It's easy for
Iulius Zosimus to reach Damnator. First he tries to overtake him
from the left side, then from the right one, but Damnator doesn't
give up.
The green driver lose his patience. `If you don't get out of my way
I'll clear you away!' he says, and brings Damnator's neck with the
whip, and throws him away. The driver flies on the terraces and
falls on an old woman, which seeing him in that condition decides to
use mouth-to-mouth resuscitation.
Zosimus wins and the Greens give a party!

Results:
1st - accident
2nd - accident
3rd - Raptor Cruentus
4th - Orionis Draco

Qualifies for Final: Raptor Cruentus

What Finals we're having! Two green chariots against two red ones!
It will really be a great show!!!


BENE VALETE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Qvaestor

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus"
<ahenobarbus@h...> wrote:

>
> Eh Jullila,
> You might be good at the history quiz, but my driver Jaculator will

take

> yours down in the Circus Maximus!
> See you at the semis!
>

*Julilla subridet* "Dux Femina Facti!"


--
JSM

G. Iulius Scaurus M. Iulio Perusiano salutem dicit.

Salve, M. Iuli.

I have not yet had time to search out precise citations from the
archaeological reports, but I think Maria Luisa Marchi and Giulio
Sabbatini, _Venusia_ (Firenze, 1996) and Giulio Sabbatini, _Ager
Venusinus_ (Firenze, 2001) have the relevant report citations. I also
think that Stephania Quilici Gigli has been doing recent excavation in
the area and I'll send her an email to see if she has more recent
data. From my recollection, the principal reason for believing that
the second stage was completed to Venusia was the fact that the
pavement of the original military road appears to come from the same
geological source from Capua to Venusia and differs from that of the
later post-Epirote repaving. I recall the matter quite vivdly because
part of Armando Aprea's analysis of the Third Samnite War depends on
that interpretation of the archaeological data. I'll get back to you
as soon as I can give you precise citations.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Ex Officio Propraetoris Britanniae.

Edictum Propraetoricium concerning the provincial
administration of Britannia.

I. Cornelius Moravius Laureatus Armoricus is hereby
appointed Prolegatus of regio Britannia Superior. His
term as Prolegatus expires on 31st December 2756 AUC.

II. This edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given on September 17th, in the year of the consulship
of Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and Titus Labienus
Fortunatus, 2756 AUC.

Decimus Iunius Silanus
Propraetor Britanniae.


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Salvete,

I would like to thank Cornelius Moravius Laureatus
Armoricus for accepting an official position on the
provincial staff of Britannia. Cornelius has worked
hard in recent months organising our first provincial
gathering for some years and it gives me great
pleasure for this work to finally get some reward.

Cornelius Moravius will make a fine addition to the
team and will be of great help in taking our provincia
to even greater success.

Vivat ResPublica et Britannia!

Valete

Decimus Iunius Silanus
Propraetor Britanniae.

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Salvete citizens,

Gens Moravia is proud to have yet another citizen of our Gens take up a
position in service of Nova Roma !

Congratulations to my gensmate Cornelius Moravius Laureatus! I'm swelling
with pride as if I were his real mother :-))) I know that he'll perform the
duties of Legatus with the same enthusiam and thoughtfulness that he has
been demonstrating with the organization of the Britannia meeting!

Valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:13 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Ave Cornelius Moravius!


> Salvete,
>
> I would like to thank Cornelius Moravius Laureatus
> Armoricus for accepting an official position on the
> provincial staff of Britannia. Cornelius has worked
> hard in recent months organising our first provincial
> gathering for some years and it gives me great
> pleasure for this work to finally get some reward.
>
> Cornelius Moravius will make a fine addition to the
> team and will be of great help in taking our provincia
> to even greater success.
>
> Vivat ResPublica et Britannia!
>
> Valete
>
> Decimus Iunius Silanus
> Propraetor Britanniae.
>
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Great play-by-play of the races Serapio! thanks!!

AVE DIANA

> Great play-by-play of the races Serapio! thanks!!

I thank you, but I must say it is a joint job of the Cohors Aedilis.
As to the races Aedilis Apulus writes, while Galaicus and I
translate. :-)

BENE VALE
M'Con.Serapio

Salvete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Here's a link to "Catullus 68b":
http://www.leeds.ac.uk/classics/heath/Catullus68b.pdf

This essay by Malcolm Heath (Univ. of Leeds), originally appeared in
_Liverpool Classical Monthly_ 13 (1988), 117-9. Heath uses Catullus
68b to discuss structural and thematic unity in the poetry of Catullus.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

AVETE

may interest anybody that isn't subscribed on Latinitas.

VALETE
C.IVL.MARIVS

-----Messaggio originale-----
Da: C.IVL.MARIVS [mailto:c_iul_marius@...]
Inviato: mercoledi 17 settembre 2003 15.34
A: Latinitas@yahoogroups.com
Oggetto: [Latinitas] Lexicon Recentis Latinitatis


SALVETE,

this post may interest all of you that hope to can write/speak in the
ancient Latin implemented by modern words.
So you'll add to your text words like :

database - subst. datarum ordinatrum,i n.
e-mail - 1. subst. litterae, arum f. electronicae 2. abstr. cursus,us m.
publicus electronicus
directory - subst. (plicarum) index,indicis m.
file - subst. scapus,i m; plica,ae f
folder - subst. cooperculum,i n
font - subst. typus,i m.

The Lexicon Recentis Latinitatis may be ordered directly to the Vatican at
the address: http://www.paxbook.com/texec/mediainfo.jsp?product_id=29783

The dictionary in now packaged in a single volume (originally was 2). The
cost is 120$ excluding shipping costs.

For any other informations you may look directly at
http://www.paxbook.com/texec/mediainfo.jsp?product_id=29783#description

VALETE
C.IVL.MARIVS


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Many thanks Silanus and Diana for your kind words.

I hope this temporary assignment to fill our noble's Cicero's shoes will be
met by success and continuous enthusiasm : I am looking forward to serve our
good Provincia and our noble Republic.

Optime valete

Corn. Moravius Laureatus Armoricus
"To a man with a hammer, every issue looks like a nail"

-----Original Message-----
From: Diana Moravia Aventina [mailto:diana@...]
Sent: 17 September 2003 10:19
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Ave Cornelius Moravius!


Salvete citizens,

Gens Moravia is proud to have yet another citizen of our Gens take up a
position in service of Nova Roma !

Congratulations to my gensmate Cornelius Moravius Laureatus! I'm swelling
with pride as if I were his real mother :-))) I know that he'll perform the
duties of Legatus with the same enthusiam and thoughtfulness that he has
been demonstrating with the organization of the Britannia meeting!

Valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina

----- Original Message -----
From: "Decimus Iunius Silanus" <danedwardsuk@...>
To: <Nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>; <britanniaprovincia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 10:13 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Ave Cornelius Moravius!


> Salvete,
>
> I would like to thank Cornelius Moravius Laureatus
> Armoricus for accepting an official position on the
> provincial staff of Britannia. Cornelius has worked
> hard in recent months organising our first provincial
> gathering for some years and it gives me great
> pleasure for this work to finally get some reward.
>
> Cornelius Moravius will make a fine addition to the
> team and will be of great help in taking our provincia
> to even greater success.
>
> Vivat ResPublica et Britannia!
>
> Valete
>
> Decimus Iunius Silanus
> Propraetor Britanniae.
>
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Salve Jove,
Guess the sacrifice didn't work. In the future, I will try to appeal to the
gods Naufragia and Celeritas.

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Avete omnes,

the answers to yesterday's questions:

>Question n.10 - The Aurelian walls
>How long was the total length of the walls? What is their average height?

A. more than 19 kilometres and it's average height is 26 feet (about 7,80
mt)

>How many principal gates the Aurealian walls had at the beginning? What
>a "posterula" is?

A. 14 main gates and 5 "posterulae', little gates for local traffic

>What kind of construction technique (opus) was used for the entire work?

A. Opus vittatum

>Say at least one pre-existent monuments included in the walls at the
>moment of the their construction.

i.e. The pyramidal tomb of Gaius Cestius, the Amphitheather called "Castrensis",
the Castra Praetoriae;

Updated scores:

1) Julilla Sempronia Magna, 18 pts
2) Isidora Galeria Sergia, 12 pts
3) Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, 11 pts
4) Gaius Iulius Scaurus, 6 pts
5) Lucius Iulius Sulla, 5 pts
6) Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, 3 pts
7) Quintus Fabius Maximus, 2 pts

and the last question about the last great Latin historian and the last
centuries of the Empire:

Question n.11 - Ammianus Marcellinus
He lived from 330 to 400 CE and wrote, following the example of Tacitus,
a story of Rome: how was the name of his books?
How many books originally were and how many we still have today?
According to his books he gave us an explicit indication about his life:
how did he describe himself?

waiting for your answers to m_iulius@v... (m_iulius at virgilio.it)

valete

Marcus Iulius Perusianus
Scriba Curatoris Differum
-------------------------
Provincia Italia: http://italia.novaroma.org
Senior Aedile Cohors: http://italia.novaroma.org/fac
The site of the Roman monuments:
http://italia.novaroma.org/signaromanorum

In a message dated 9/17/03 3:06:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
m_iulius@... writes:

> He lived from 330 to 400 CE and wrote, following the example of Tacitus,
> a story of Rome: how was the name of his books?
> How many books originally were and how many we still have today?
> According to his books he gave us an explicit indication about his life:
> how did he describe himself?
>

Don't you mean:
He lived from 330 to 400 CE and following the example of Tacitus, wrote a
history of Rome.
What was the title of this history?
How many books were in the original history and many do we have at present
time?
His books contains a depiction of his life. How did he describe himself?

English! How can an Aedile communicate with the People if he cannot speak
English?

Q. Fabius Maximus


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

AVE Q FABI

> His books contains a depiction of his life.

'Books' is plural, so it is 'contain', not 'contains'.
Take it easy, Q Fabi. If you understood those questions everybody
here can.

BENE VALE
M'Con.Serapio

Salvete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Here are two papers by Rob S. Rice (Univ. of Penn.) on Roman policy
toward the east in the middle Republic:

"Sparing a Hornets Nest: Rome's Treatment of Rhodes in 168":

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rrice/hornets.html

The paper wasread at the American Philological Association (12/29/92).

And "Not as Slaves, but as Friends and Allies: Rome's Settlement of
Lycia and Caria after 188":

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/rrice/lycians.html

The paper was read at the American Philological Association (12/30/94)

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salve Maximus,
the Nova Roman Constitution don't say that the magistrates must to
speak the english. Maybe do you prefer concentrate the efforts of
the magistrates on the language more than the Ludi and the live
project? Very intelligent and useful tactics.
Or maybe do you want to close the cursus honorum to the not-spoken-
english-men (not-american?) people?
I would like to know the opinion of the majority of our Magistrates
that come from latin coutries.

English is the second official language of NR and we latin are
working hardly to use a different language not latin!
I think you all speaking english must to understand us and our
efforts.

Your statement is very arrogant, intollerant and not roman (in
Ancient time latin and greek was the official language but Rome
didn't forced the local languages ti change).
The knowledge of a language mustn't to discriminate a man.

And if you translated the questions of Perusianus, it means you
understood the meaning!!!

And stupid personal comment: Provincia Italia have now 202 nova
romans, it's the second provincia with the highest number of
citizens and a growing of 300% than 2001, we have 102 members in the
local mailing list and several people woudl like to start the cursus
honorum. Are you ready to speak italian currently? ;-)

Another personal opinion: Maximus, I start to think you haven't
anything more to do in your life to stress me and others. Do you
have a so easy like permitting you to boring us with this statements?
Why don't you concentrate your attenction in your duties in the
Collegium?
I sended it and you directly 4-5 mails during the summer about
public religious contents, I didn't received just one answer.

I'm starting to think that you don't merit more to receive answer.

I wish you good job, Pontefices!

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, qfabiusmaxmi@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/17/03 3:06:56 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> m_iulius@v... writes:
>
>
> > He lived from 330 to 400 CE and wrote, following the example of
Tacitus,
> > a story of Rome: how was the name of his books?
> > How many books originally were and how many we still have today?
> > According to his books he gave us an explicit indication about
his life:
> > how did he describe himself?
> >
>
> Don't you mean:
> He lived from 330 to 400 CE and following the example of Tacitus,
wrote a
> history of Rome.
> What was the title of this history?
> How many books were in the original history and many do we have at
present
> time?
> His books contains a depiction of his life. How did he describe
himself?
>
> English! How can an Aedile communicate with the People if he
cannot speak
> English?
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

M IVL PERVSIANVS ITALICIS AMICISQVE S.P.D.

>English! How can an Aedile communicate with the People if he cannot >speak

English?

... e abbiamo bisogno di conoscere il Latino perfettamente per capire questa?
(... and do we need to know Latin perfectly to understand the real meaning
of the following?)

"OLIM HORTA CIDESTI FIDEM IGNOTAM"

;-)

valete

In a message dated 9/18/03 1:51:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
sacro_barese_impero@... writes:

Salve Aedile

> the Nova Roman Constitution don't say that the magistrates must to
> speak the English. Maybe do you prefer concentrate the efforts of
> the magistrates on the language more than the Ludi and the live
> project? Very intelligent and useful tactics.

"Doesn't say, must speak English." You are thinking in Italian and
translating it directly to English. Since I understand the rhythm of Italian I can get
a gist of what you are saying.
As for it being a lex, actually once upon a time it was an edictum, during L.
Equitius Cincinnatus consulship. However, it needs to be renewed.

> Or maybe do you want to close the cursus honorum to the not-spoken-
> english-men (not-american?) people?
>

Since members of the UK, and the commonwealth are not American, yet can write
understandable English, I believe your point is moot.

>
> I also believe you have to speak the legal language to be a magistrate.

Since English is the second tongue here in NR, this means you have to write
intelligible English.
I am sorry you disagree. Three members of my Gens in Italy all write
exceptional English.
So simply being Italian does not mean you cannot write English well.

> I would like to know the opinion of the majority of our Magistrates
> that come from latin coutries.
>

Since NR is an American non profit organization, I think it is great we have
magistrates in Latin countries. However they must still be able to write
intelligible English.

> English is the second official language of NR and we Latin are
> working hardly to use a different language not Latin!
> I think you all speaking English must to understand us and our
> efforts.
> Your statement is very arrogant, intolerant and not Roman (in
> Ancient time Latin and Greek was the official language but Rome
> didn't forced the local languages to change).
>

B-S Aedile. The official language of Rome was Latin and you had to know it
if you were a magistrate.
Greek was for those Patricians who were showing off they were educated.
Later in the Empire, Greek became the official language in the East, yet some
Latin terms were Hellenised so they continued to be used.
Local dialects were never incorporated into the official language.
So what exactly is this language you are communicating in during NR official
business? Pidgin English with an Italian dialect? Not very "Roman" of you...

Now if you wish to be a magistrate, either get an English translator, who
speaks Italian, or learn how to write the language correctly so we can understand
exactly what you are saying and are not making educated guesses.

Vale
Q. Fabius Maximus



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

In a message dated 9/18/03 1:51:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
sacro_barese_impero@... writes:

To continue:

> And stupid personal comment: Provincia Italia have now 202 nova
> Romans, it's the second provincia with the highest number of
> citizens and a growing of 300% than 2001, we have 102 members in the
> local mailing list and several people would like to start the cursus
> honorum. Are you ready to speak Italian currently? ;-)
>

I understand Italian. Historians who do not, cannot research very much.
I think that's great, that Rome is regrowing in Italia. But I would hope so.
It was your crowning glory.

> Another personal opinion: Maximus, I start to think you haven't
> anything more to do in your life to stress me and others.

"Stress" Oh I hope that you aren't too stressed, Aedile...I would hate to
think that I wasn't
making your job easy for you...

Do you > have a so easy like permitting you to boring us with this

> statements?

If I am boring you, why are you responding? And yes, I'm rich so I have
nothing better to do then criticize your improper English. <BIG GRIN>

> Why don't you concentrate your attention in your duties in the
> Collegium?

LOL! Hey, last time I did that, you were angry at me for criticizing your
silly announcement about bloodless blood sports. I was doing my job, you were
not doing yours.

> I sended it and you directly 4-5 mails during the summer about
> public religious contents, I didn't received just one answer.
>

Well since it was in Italio-English, we didn't really understand what you
were asking

> I'm starting to think that you don't merit more to receive answer.
>
> I wish you good job, Pontifices!
>

Well, there you go again. I think you said:
" I'm starting to think that you are not qualified to give an answer."

We are doing our job. At least we are communicating in English.
I wish you a good day, Aedile.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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Salve Senator Maximus,

"I think that you are not qualified to give an answer."

It's a good answer in a correct english language for you?

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile

Salve Senator,
sorry, I coorect my statement:

"You aren't worth answering".

This is what I wanted to say in a past message and now it's clear
that I'll not answer more to you and your stupid provocations.
Best wishes

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Franciscus Apulus Caesar"
<sacro_barese_impero@l...> wrote:

> Salve Senator Maximus,
>
> "I think that you are not qualified to give an answer."
>
> It's a good answer in a correct english language for you?
>
> Vale
> Fr. Apulus Caesar
> Senior Curule Aedile

Salvete Omnes,
What was the Roman attitude on suicide? Were the Gods offended if a magistrate or miles felt personally dishonorned and felt it was the only honorable way out? I know the Christian attitude is that your are either damned or condemned to purgatory, correct me if I am mistaken; but what did the Romani feel about this? Besides the messy methods of falling on swords or vein cutting, were there any honorable ways?
Just a curious question I'm sure someone can answer...thanks.


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Salve Franciscus Apulus,

> Or maybe do you want to close the cursus honorum to the not-spoken-
> english-men (not-american?) people?

I think that I am the only cross-border citizen of Nova Roma being born of
Italian parents in the US and now living in Europe with Belgian citizenship.
I definitely consider myself an ex-American and a European. I've met Q
Fabius and others and he is definitely not anti-European citizens or
magistrates. His comment about your English may have been harsh but it's
true. I'm sorry to say it but sometimes I really have trouble understanding
your emails.

> I think you all speaking english must to understand us and our efforts.

I congratulate you and others for thier efforts (really!) and I sympathize
with you and all others who come here and need to write in what is not their
Mother Tongue. I also have that problem but reversed: English is my Mother
Tongue but other than in NR I am always speaking/writing in Dutch. When I
first started learning Dutch, I had a position in the Pagan Federation in
Belgium where it was necessary for me to write emails and translate
documents from English into Dutch. I received *a lot* of criticism on my use
of the language because no one could figure out what I was talking about
half the time.... This was embarrassing to me because I felt that everyone
thought that I was stupid and in my Mother Tongue I am half intelligent :-)
My solution was to have a native Dutch speaker correct my texts. This helped
me to see my mistakes (and take note of them for future reference) and the
Dutch speakers clearly understood what I was writing. This might be a good
thing for you to try as well. It's a win-win situation: you won't get
comments anymore about your English, you're English will only improve and
the non-Italian speaking citizens will clearly understand your emails.

Remember I am not bashing you... As I said I had/have the same problem as
you do!

Vale,
Diana Moravia

Salve M Flavius Fides,

According to all of the Hollywood films it was indeed honorable. But I'll
let one of our historians comment on the historical correctness of that :-)

> What was the Roman attitude on suicide? Were the Gods offended if a

magistrate or miles felt personally dishonorned and felt it was the only
honorable way <out? I know the Christian attitude is that your are either
damned or condemned to purgatory, correct me if I am mistaken; but what did
the Romani feel about <this? Besides the messy methods of falling on swords
or vein cutting, were there any honorable ways?

The Christians do have a rahter hard-line attitude towards sucide which is
strange since Jesus let himself get killed. Ok it was not quite a suicide
but his not saving himself was the same as if he jumped in front of a train:
certain death.

Personally I think suicide is an honorable way out of life. It's our life
and we should be able to choose when we want to end it. On the other hand a
few months ago a very close friend committed suicide a few hours after I
left him laughing happily in a bar. I'm still angry at him for abondoning
us. Despite his problems this world was a much brighter place with him in
it. So while I believe suicide is an honorable way to die, before anyone
commits suicide they should also consider the feelings of those left behind.

Vale,
Diana Moravia

Salve, Quintus Fabius Maximus -

On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 07:04:13AM -0400, qfabiusmaxmi@... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/18/03 1:51:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> sacro_barese_impero@... writes:
>
> Salve Aedile
> > the Nova Roman Constitution don't say that the magistrates must to
> > speak the English. Maybe do you prefer concentrate the efforts of
> > the magistrates on the language more than the Ludi and the live
> > project? Very intelligent and useful tactics.
>
> "Doesn't say, must speak English." You are thinking in Italian and
> translating it directly to English. Since I understand the rhythm of Italian I can get
> a gist of what you are saying.
> As for it being a lex, actually once upon a time it was an edictum, during L.
> Equitius Cincinnatus consulship. However, it needs to be renewed.

Have you given any consideration to the results of such a lex or
edictum? In effect, you're saying "magistrates must communicate in
clear, understandable English." Fine; let's look at the results and the
requirements, shall we?

1. A number of very capable people (of whom I believe the Aedile to be
one) would be barred from magistracy. Nova Roma is _desperately_ short
of such people; your idea would bar a large percentage of them from
office.

2. The word "discrimination", in it's ugliest meaning, is fully
applicable here.

3. People do not join Nova Roma to learn English - although they may do
so if they want to learn Latin.

4. If it's to be done, then Nova Roma needs to have the equivalent of
"Foreigners and dogs in the back of the bus only" sign on its front
page. *THAT* should attract lots of new members (as long as you don't
mind the little "KKK" tattooed in the web of their hands...)

Anyone can extrapolate from here, endlessly - it's a large can of
snakes, all poisonous.

As on a number of other lists - several of them technical ones, where
precision of language and ideas is critical - I've often found that
non-native English speakers can often be more clear in their
communications that the native speakers. The former often put quite a
lot of effort into being understood, while the latter assume that they
will be understood automatically... which results in

doodz! cn u tell me iz th3r3 a sight where i get warez????

Should we have a literacy requirement, maybe? [1]



[1] It's a joke. Really.

Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Dum inter homines sumus, colamus humanitatem.
As long as we are among humans, let us be humane.
-- Seneca, "De ira"

--- qfabiusmaxmi@... wrote:

> In a message dated 9/18/03 1:51:36 AM Pacific
> Daylight Time,
> sacro_barese_impero@... writes:
>
> Salve Aedile
> > the Nova Roman Constitution don't say that the
> magistrates must to
> > speak the English. Maybe do you prefer concentrate
> the efforts of
> > the magistrates on the language more than the Ludi
> and the live
> > project? Very intelligent and useful tactics.
>
> "Doesn't say, must speak English." You are thinking
> in Italian and
> translating it directly to English. Since I
> understand the rhythm of Italian I can get
> a gist of what you are saying.
> As for it being a lex, actually once upon a time it
> was an edictum, during L.
> Equitius Cincinnatus consulship. However, it needs
> to be renewed.

In November of 2754 the Senate passed a Consulta on
the Official Language Policy that included the
following

"English is hereby adopted as the business language of
Nova Roma's central government. As such, it shall be
used in official communications from and day-to-day
business conducted by the central government (defined
for purposes of this proviso as the Senate and
non-provincial magistrates). Other languages may be
used in such communications where deemed appropriate,
but an English translation must accompany such
communications."

The following year the Lex Cornelia de Linguis
Publicis was passed by the people. It raised the
Consulta on language's ststus to law as well creating
the Decuriae Interpretes.

The Lex clearly ststes that offical business of Nova
Roma's government has to be conducted in English. this
carries an implication that Magistrates have to speak
the language, and they certainly won't be effective at
thier jobs if they do not.

Greek and Latin have been mentioned in this thread,
attempts at following the historic practice of using
Latin as the Language of government would mean that
Nova Roma would have no more than about 10 citizens
who would qualify for the Senate or becomming a
magistrate.

I doubt that we even have 5 citizens who are fluent in
Classical Greek.

We do however have a language that is the equalivant
of Greek in the ancient world. That language is
English. It has reached just as dominant a postion as
the de facto international language as Greek did in
ancient times. 2000 years ago your prospects were
severely limited outside of Italy if you didn't speak
Greek, and that holds true today with English.

500 years ago Latin was the international language in
Europe. 200 years ago French had assumed that postion
in much of the world along with Europe. 200 years from
now it might be Japanese, Russian, or Chinese. Today
however it is English. That language is the one you
use if you want to communicate with the largest number
of people world wide and the logical choice for an
international organization.

Perhaps one day Nova Roma will be able to afford to
pay for a staff of full time translators like they
have at the United Nations. Then everything can
quickly be translated in several working languages.
Until that day arrives we have to limit ourselves to a
single working language and English is the only
logical choice for that language.


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Roman Citizen

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I See that Nova Roma's attack poodle is at it again.

This list has been treated to many long posts from the
attack poodle's Paterfamilias about the need for
decorum. Why is it that Marcus Minucius Audens is so
eager to jump on others while ignoring a long history
of far worse actions from a member of his own Gens?

When are we going to hear from Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
about the attack poodle? He certainly isn't shy about
pointing it out when people other than his friends
start making posts like these.

Do we have a double standard in Nova Roma? One where
some citizens will be publicly jumped by these two men
while thier friends get a pass regardless of how
offensive thier posts are?

--- Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@...> wrote:

> Salve, Quintus Fabius Maximus -
>
> On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 07:04:13AM -0400,
> qfabiusmaxmi@... wrote:
> > In a message dated 9/18/03 1:51:36 AM Pacific
> Daylight Time,
> > sacro_barese_impero@... writes:
> >
> > Salve Aedile
> > > the Nova Roman Constitution don't say that the
> magistrates must to
> > > speak the English. Maybe do you prefer
> concentrate the efforts of
> > > the magistrates on the language more than the
> Ludi and the live
> > > project? Very intelligent and useful tactics.
> >
> > "Doesn't say, must speak English." You are
> thinking in Italian and
> > translating it directly to English. Since I
> understand the rhythm of Italian I can get
> > a gist of what you are saying.
> > As for it being a lex, actually once upon a time
> it was an edictum, during L.
> > Equitius Cincinnatus consulship. However, it
> needs to be renewed.
>
> Have you given any consideration to the results of
> such a lex or
> edictum? In effect, you're saying "magistrates must
> communicate in
> clear, understandable English." Fine; let's look at
> the results and the
> requirements, shall we?
>
> 1. A number of very capable people (of whom I
> believe the Aedile to be
> one) would be barred from magistracy. Nova Roma is
> _desperately_ short
> of such people; your idea would bar a large
> percentage of them from
> office.
>
> 2. The word "discrimination", in it's ugliest
> meaning, is fully
> applicable here.
>
> 3. People do not join Nova Roma to learn English -
> although they may do
> so if they want to learn Latin.
>
> 4. If it's to be done, then Nova Roma needs to have
> the equivalent of
> "Foreigners and dogs in the back of the bus only"
> sign on its front
> page. *THAT* should attract lots of new members (as
> long as you don't
> mind the little "KKK" tattooed in the web of their
> hands...)
>
> Anyone can extrapolate from here, endlessly - it's a
> large can of
> snakes, all poisonous.
>
> As on a number of other lists - several of them
> technical ones, where
> precision of language and ideas is critical - I've
> often found that
> non-native English speakers can often be more clear
> in their
> communications that the native speakers. The former
> often put quite a
> lot of effort into being understood, while the
> latter assume that they
> will be understood automatically... which results in
>
> doodz! cn u tell me iz th3r3 a sight where i get
> warez????
>
> Should we have a literacy requirement, maybe? [1]
>
>
>
> [1] It's a joke. Really.
>
> Vale,
> Caius Minucius Scaevola
>

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> -- Seneca, "De ira"
>

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Italian, French, Portuguese, Romanian and Spanish are closer to Latin than English (A language which borrows heavily from Latin but is basically a barbarian tongue.)
I personally am glad that we use English but isn't it a little arrogant of us to expect it? I applaud those citizens who at least make the effort and show the high intelligence it takes to accomplish putting their thoughts into words of a language which isn't't there own.
If Nova Roma relied strictly on 'eye'-talian or Latin, I would be, as well as a lot of citizens ****ed.
We could do without the accent teasing and criticizing which usually always turns into America bashing which I'm personally sick of but choose for the sake of Concordia to hold my tongue.



S P Q R

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Salve Drusus et Diana,
I agree with you and the laws of our Res Publica, I'm not criticing
them and I think they are right and correct: the english is the most
important language in the world and the most used in the
international relationships.

However I disagree with someone (like our perfect Maximus) criticing
who don't speak well the tongue.
The laws say us that "English is hereby adopted as the business
language of Nova Roma's central government." so everyone must to
talk in english in the international and public affairs. But the
laws don't say us "Everyone must to talk a correct and perfect
english" or "if you don't speak english correctly you can't be an
elected magistrate". The laws don' say that the people not speaking
english can't be appointed or elected. If the laws said this, NR
should be a not democratic organization, a racist nation.

And again, Nova Roma is an american organization for people speaking
english or a world forum about Classical Culture and Rome? What
Maximus means? NR is located in USA so it's american and all the
citizens have to learn the english?
P.S.: I have nothing against America and NR in USA, but I disagree
with the people thinking NR is only american.

I accepted to talk english with you all, I'm working hard to improve
my english and the list of my past "sorry for my bad english" is
very very long (look the archive of my public messages).
I know that my english is very bad and I'm trying to be
understandable like several of us having english like mother-tongue
However this must to be a discrimination for us. I talk with several
not-italian citizens and everyone try to understand my words,
because they know that my english is not bad. I receive several
corrections to wronge words and I'm happy to receive it.
If you ask to Consul Quintilianus, he can say you that my language
was tragical when he appointed me as his Quaestor.
I discussed with many problems with Illustrus Audens. I'm working in
english with people coming from all the world

Diana, sorry, but I don't know people having english as mother-
tongue and I can't ask to the italians knowing well english to
translate all my international messages. So I have to try to write
in a comprehensible english hoping you all make a little efforts to
understand my words.
It's very stupid and useless the harsh attacks of someone like
Maximus. And I think that this is only stupid political attacks to
destroy my dignitas as politician.
And this is demonstrated, because a critic about the uncorrect
english of a my assistant became an attack against me as Aedile.
And yes, I agree with you, someone started his electoral campaign in
september.

If you don't understand my italian-english, you contact me and ask
what I mean in my words. I'll be very happy to explain you again,
and again again again trying to use a best tongue.
I think this is the most civil and correct way to live togheter.

What do you think?
Diana, I don't refuse to talk about my english, I'm ready and here
to accept corrections and to learn. Now I refuse to talk with some
stupid and ridicolous little man.

Maybe now all the Magistrates must to have an english exam before to
start their Office? We want to check the knowledge of the official
tongue of everyone have a public position?

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus"
<lsicinius@y...> wrote:

>
> --- qfabiusmaxmi@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 9/18/03 1:51:36 AM Pacific
> > Daylight Time,
> > sacro_barese_impero@l... writes:
> >
> > Salve Aedile
> > > the Nova Roman Constitution don't say that the
> > magistrates must to
> > > speak the English. Maybe do you prefer concentrate
> > the efforts of
> > > the magistrates on the language more than the Ludi
> > and the live
> > > project? Very intelligent and useful tactics.
> >
> > "Doesn't say, must speak English." You are thinking
> > in Italian and
> > translating it directly to English. Since I
> > understand the rhythm of Italian I can get
> > a gist of what you are saying.
> > As for it being a lex, actually once upon a time it
> > was an edictum, during L.
> > Equitius Cincinnatus consulship. However, it needs
> > to be renewed.
>
> In November of 2754 the Senate passed a Consulta on
> the Official Language Policy that included the
> following
>
> "English is hereby adopted as the business language of
> Nova Roma's central government. As such, it shall be
> used in official communications from and day-to-day
> business conducted by the central government (defined
> for purposes of this proviso as the Senate and
> non-provincial magistrates). Other languages may be
> used in such communications where deemed appropriate,
> but an English translation must accompany such
> communications."
>
> The following year the Lex Cornelia de Linguis
> Publicis was passed by the people. It raised the
> Consulta on language's ststus to law as well creating
> the Decuriae Interpretes.
>
> The Lex clearly ststes that offical business of Nova
> Roma's government has to be conducted in English. this
> carries an implication that Magistrates have to speak
> the language, and they certainly won't be effective at
> thier jobs if they do not.
>
> Greek and Latin have been mentioned in this thread,
> attempts at following the historic practice of using
> Latin as the Language of government would mean that
> Nova Roma would have no more than about 10 citizens
> who would qualify for the Senate or becomming a
> magistrate.
>
> I doubt that we even have 5 citizens who are fluent in
> Classical Greek.
>
> We do however have a language that is the equalivant
> of Greek in the ancient world. That language is
> English. It has reached just as dominant a postion as
> the de facto international language as Greek did in
> ancient times. 2000 years ago your prospects were
> severely limited outside of Italy if you didn't speak
> Greek, and that holds true today with English.
>
> 500 years ago Latin was the international language in
> Europe. 200 years ago French had assumed that postion
> in much of the world along with Europe. 200 years from
> now it might be Japanese, Russian, or Chinese. Today
> however it is English. That language is the one you
> use if you want to communicate with the largest number
> of people world wide and the logical choice for an
> international organization.
>
> Perhaps one day Nova Roma will be able to afford to
> pay for a staff of full time translators like they
> have at the United Nations. Then everything can
> quickly be translated in several working languages.
> Until that day arrives we have to limit ourselves to a
> single working language and English is the only
> logical choice for that language.
>
>
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>
> Roman Citizen
>
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Ave,

Two years ago, when I was Censor I posted the demographics of Nova
Roma on the website, over 80% of Nova Roman citizens were English
Speaking (American, British, Canadian and Australian). I believe
that Censor M. Octavius posted another demographic list about a year
and a half ago and it was still hovering about 75-77%. So, there is
no matter of arrogance involved its a matter of practicality, most
citizens in Nova Roma speak English.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, raymond fuentes
<praefectus2324@y...> wrote:

> Italian, French, Portuguese, Romanian and Spanish are closer to

Latin than English (A language which borrows heavily from Latin but
is basically a barbarian tongue.)

> I personally am glad that we use English but isn't it a little

arrogant of us to expect it? I applaud those citizens who at least
make the effort and show the high intelligence it takes to accomplish
putting their thoughts into words of a language which isn't't there
own.

> If Nova Roma relied strictly on 'eye'-talian or Latin, I would be,

as well as a lot of citizens ****ed.

> We could do without the accent teasing and criticizing which

usually always turns into America bashing which I'm personally sick
of but choose for the sake of Concordia to hold my tongue.

>
>
>
> S P Q R
>
> Fidelis Ad Mortem.
>
> Marcvs Flavivs Fides
> Roman Citizen
>
>
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Salve,

Sacrifice to Fortuna Fausta. She is a awesome goddess... rs!

Vale,
L. Arminius Faustus


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<ahenobarbus@h...> wrote:

>
> Salve Jove,
> Guess the sacrifice didn't work. In the future, I will try to

appeal to the

> gods Naufragia and Celeritas.
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Salvete Omnes,
I'm very sad to send this announcement in this harsh discussion, but
the Ludi Romani must to continue ignoring who disturb them and not
respect the games dedicated to Roma.
I hope my english will be better than the past and you would like to
understand me.

I'm proud to announce the winner of the ROMANUS CULTURAL AWARD 2756,
the literary contest organized by the Cohors Aedile Apulus Caesar
during the Ludi Romani 2756. This year the contest is dedicated to
Rome and his glory, to the political, military and social vistories
and to the Urbe Caput Mundi.

I want to thank the Illustrus Consul Fabius Quintilianus and
Questores Salix Davianus and Constantinus Serapio to have helped me
as members of the jury judging the works.

The two wondersul works running are:
- CASSANDRA'S HOPE (an ode in blank verse) by Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
- ON THE ARRIVAL OF NEWS FROM AFRICA by Gaia Flavia Aureliana

The judgement was hard, but at the end the Jury decided that the
winner is

ON THE ARRIVAL OF NEWS FROM AFRICA by Gaia Flavia Aureliana

with 86 points. The second tale receive 78 points, very close to the
first.

Congratulations, Aureliana, you win the contesr and a little iron
statue of a roman Vexillifer.
Thank you very much to Marinus to have partecipated with his tale,
it was wonderful and I hope you would like to partecipe in the next
contests and try to win.

I post again you all the text winning the Award.

valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile


++++++++++ ON THE ARRIVAL OF NEWS FROM AFRICA ++++++++++
by Gaia Flavia Aureliana

Be joyful, citizens of Rome! Give thanks to the Immortal Gods, sons
and daughters of Mars! Victory has been given to our Nation! Our
city
stands supreme!

Long have we waited for this day; bitter have been the years. But we
have been steadfast and resolute. We have honoured our Gods and they
have kept their faith with us. Jupiter Optimus Maximus has hurled
his
thunderbolt at our enemies, Juno Regina has protected our legions;
Shield-Bearing Minerva has given wisdom to our generals; Magna Mater
has showered her blessings on our city.

Regained is the honour tarnished at Trebia; assuaged is the grief of
Trasimene; avenged are the dead of Cannae; repaid is the treachery
of
Carthage. The star of the Barcids is dulled for ever. Publius
Cornelius Scipio has held high the flame of Rome for all the world
to
see!

For sixteen years we have battled against our foes. We have gone out
to meet them wherever they have chosen to oppose us, throughout the
length of Italy, beyond the straights in Sicily, to the far western
settlements of Iberia. Victory could not make us complaisant. Defeat
could not overawe us. Desertion by friends did not demoralise us. We
persevered for the honour of our ancestors and for the glory of Rome.

Now on the plains of Africa, the final triumph has been granted us.
The Pride of Carthage was no match for the Cornelian son of Rome.
The
Herculean beasts of war no longer inspired terror in our ranks. The
Punic steeds fled from the battlefield far swifter than they ever
charged our lines. The allied phalanxes of Gauls, Lybians and
Macedonians fell back before the onslaught of our hastati, principes
and triarii. The Carthaginian army was destroyed; tens of thousands
have been slain; as many more again now bear the Roman yoke.

The greatest city of Africa now pays homage to the greatest city of
Italy. Her ships will no longer navigate the waters of the
Mediterranean Sea. Her gold and silver will blaze from the Seven
Hills, adorning our temples and public buildings. The tribute of
Iberia will be gathered on the banks of the Tiber.

The entire world knows of our triumph. None will now oppose us. All
nations have witnessed our courage and our fortitude. They will come
to recognise our wisdom and our piety. For as long as men live, this
victory will be remembered and the Gods will be revered

G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, omnes.

In any international organisation which lacks the ability to provide
immediate translation in all the relevant languages needs a lingua
franca. In NR, for historical and practical reasons, it has been
English. I think it would be a delightful thing if more citizens
started posting in Latin or Greek, but it's not a realistic
expectation at this point in NR's development (if I were acting merely
on self-interest, I'd be a strong advocate of those Latin- and
Classical Greek-only policies -- quick path up the cursus honorum :-).
I happen to speak and read three ancient and four modern languages
well enough to do without a dictionary on most occasions, and a few
more modern with a dictionary, but I don't trust more than two ancient
and three modern for purposes of written composition in a venue where
I migtht be ridiculed for a lapse of grammar or vocabulary. I'd
hazard the guess that I'm rather better at languages than most people,
and I still stand in admiration of our European and Latin American
comrades whose English is not infreequently better than that of some
of our native speakers of English.

However, there are, jsut as clearly, problems. If one announces that
a contest is to be judged strictly and precisely, then one expects
that the questions are to be similarly strict and precise in their
framing in the language of query. The fact that Q. Fabius (and I
assume others, since they are answering them) can construe meaning
from a question posed in clumsy English does not address the apparent
disparity of standards. Similarly, I think it not unreasonable to
expect that official communications of magistrates to be written
correctly in the lingua franca of the Republic. However, this
certainly should not imply that every magistrate has to write English
at native fluency. It means that we must depend more on our
multilingual citizens to vett translations of official communications
(and I don't think every time a magistrate posts to a list is an
"official" communication). I'd be happy to volunteer to vett
Italian-, French-, or German-English translations if asked (not that
I'm volunteering to be anyone's full-time translator); I'm certain
that there are quite a few others who'd be happy to volunteer
occasionally as well. The Decurio Interpretum is a more formal means
of doing this, but it has limited resources. If we all made an effort
to facilitate communication in our lingua franca, as D. Moravia
suggested, simply as a courtesy to our fellow citizens, many of these
apparent misunderstandings could be cirumvented entirely.

Still, we are going to have to agree that, at least for official
communications, we're going to use one language -- and English seems
to be it for reasons of history and circumstance (the senatusconsultum
and Lex Cornelia de Linguis Publicis do rather make it official) --
with a relatively high degree of proficiency. This does not mean that
a less than proficient writer of English should be excluded from a
magistracy, but does mean there is a an obligation in the part of
magistrates to recognise when they are not adequately communicating in
English and to correct the situation with the assistance of others.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salvete,

As Magistrate and Interpreter, may I give my asse to the discussion?

1 - A magistrate can´t issue any official document outside the
english, this is still the law... one day everybody here will speak
latin, and this can change, I hope, I dream.

2 - A magistrate and any citizen can write everything he wants on the
language he wants. The big problem is he will have few penetration,
and if we talk, we talk to be understood by all. All know english...
yet. One day everybody here will speak latin, I hope, I dream.

3 - English grammar mistakes are sure allowed, like latin, french,
portuguese, italian mistakes, etc. If it damages the compreension of
the text proposed ´ex cathedra´, I´m sure the other magistrates will
be glad to help correcting... on friendship spirit. Grammar mistakes
we have all times, even on mother language.

4 - Galicisms, Italianisms, Lusitanisms, Castellanisms are not
grammar mistakes. Sintax is a much more free field to develop the
language on its peak.

5 - Please. There is no worst damage to the spreading of NR than
bonding it to just one language. We talk english now because it is
usefull, not because anything else... nor politics, nor magistrates,
nor places, nor xenophobia, nor countries...



Vale,
L. Arminius Faustus
Plebeian Aedile
Interpreter linguae lusitanicae





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Franciscus Apulus Caesar"
<sacro_barese_impero@l...> wrote:

> Salve Drusus et Diana,
> I agree with you and the laws of our Res Publica, I'm not criticing
> them and I think they are right and correct: the english is the

most

> important language in the world and the most used in the
> international relationships.
>
> However I disagree with someone (like our perfect Maximus)

criticing

> who don't speak well the tongue.
> The laws say us that "English is hereby adopted as the business
> language of Nova Roma's central government." so everyone must to
> talk in english in the international and public affairs. But the
> laws don't say us "Everyone must to talk a correct and perfect
> english" or "if you don't speak english correctly you can't be an
> elected magistrate". The laws don' say that the people not speaking
> english can't be appointed or elected. If the laws said this, NR
> should be a not democratic organization, a racist nation.
>
> And again, Nova Roma is an american organization for people

speaking

> english or a world forum about Classical Culture and Rome? What
> Maximus means? NR is located in USA so it's american and all the
> citizens have to learn the english?
> P.S.: I have nothing against America and NR in USA, but I disagree
> with the people thinking NR is only american.
>
> I accepted to talk english with you all, I'm working hard to

improve

> my english and the list of my past "sorry for my bad english" is
> very very long (look the archive of my public messages).
> I know that my english is very bad and I'm trying to be
> understandable like several of us having english like mother-tongue
> However this must to be a discrimination for us. I talk with

several

> not-italian citizens and everyone try to understand my words,
> because they know that my english is not bad. I receive several
> corrections to wronge words and I'm happy to receive it.
> If you ask to Consul Quintilianus, he can say you that my language
> was tragical when he appointed me as his Quaestor.
> I discussed with many problems with Illustrus Audens. I'm working

in

> english with people coming from all the world
>
> Diana, sorry, but I don't know people having english as mother-
> tongue and I can't ask to the italians knowing well english to
> translate all my international messages. So I have to try to write
> in a comprehensible english hoping you all make a little efforts to
> understand my words.
> It's very stupid and useless the harsh attacks of someone like
> Maximus. And I think that this is only stupid political attacks to
> destroy my dignitas as politician.
> And this is demonstrated, because a critic about the uncorrect
> english of a my assistant became an attack against me as Aedile.
> And yes, I agree with you, someone started his electoral campaign

in

> september.
>
> If you don't understand my italian-english, you contact me and ask
> what I mean in my words. I'll be very happy to explain you again,
> and again again again trying to use a best tongue.
> I think this is the most civil and correct way to live togheter.
>
> What do you think?
> Diana, I don't refuse to talk about my english, I'm ready and here
> to accept corrections and to learn. Now I refuse to talk with some
> stupid and ridicolous little man.
>
> Maybe now all the Magistrates must to have an english exam before

to

> start their Office? We want to check the knowledge of the official
> tongue of everyone have a public position?
>
> Valete
> Fr. Apulus Caesar
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus"
> <lsicinius@y...> wrote:
> >
> > --- qfabiusmaxmi@a... wrote:
> > > In a message dated 9/18/03 1:51:36 AM Pacific
> > > Daylight Time,
> > > sacro_barese_impero@l... writes:
> > >
> > > Salve Aedile
> > > > the Nova Roman Constitution don't say that the
> > > magistrates must to
> > > > speak the English. Maybe do you prefer concentrate
> > > the efforts of
> > > > the magistrates on the language more than the Ludi
> > > and the live
> > > > project? Very intelligent and useful tactics.
> > >
> > > "Doesn't say, must speak English." You are thinking
> > > in Italian and
> > > translating it directly to English. Since I
> > > understand the rhythm of Italian I can get
> > > a gist of what you are saying.
> > > As for it being a lex, actually once upon a time it
> > > was an edictum, during L.
> > > Equitius Cincinnatus consulship. However, it needs
> > > to be renewed.
> >
> > In November of 2754 the Senate passed a Consulta on
> > the Official Language Policy that included the
> > following
> >
> > "English is hereby adopted as the business language of
> > Nova Roma's central government. As such, it shall be
> > used in official communications from and day-to-day
> > business conducted by the central government (defined
> > for purposes of this proviso as the Senate and
> > non-provincial magistrates). Other languages may be
> > used in such communications where deemed appropriate,
> > but an English translation must accompany such
> > communications."
> >
> > The following year the Lex Cornelia de Linguis
> > Publicis was passed by the people. It raised the
> > Consulta on language's ststus to law as well creating
> > the Decuriae Interpretes.
> >
> > The Lex clearly ststes that offical business of Nova
> > Roma's government has to be conducted in English. this
> > carries an implication that Magistrates have to speak
> > the language, and they certainly won't be effective at
> > thier jobs if they do not.
> >
> > Greek and Latin have been mentioned in this thread,
> > attempts at following the historic practice of using
> > Latin as the Language of government would mean that
> > Nova Roma would have no more than about 10 citizens
> > who would qualify for the Senate or becomming a
> > magistrate.
> >
> > I doubt that we even have 5 citizens who are fluent in
> > Classical Greek.
> >
> > We do however have a language that is the equalivant
> > of Greek in the ancient world. That language is
> > English. It has reached just as dominant a postion as
> > the de facto international language as Greek did in
> > ancient times. 2000 years ago your prospects were
> > severely limited outside of Italy if you didn't speak
> > Greek, and that holds true today with English.
> >
> > 500 years ago Latin was the international language in
> > Europe. 200 years ago French had assumed that postion
> > in much of the world along with Europe. 200 years from
> > now it might be Japanese, Russian, or Chinese. Today
> > however it is English. That language is the one you
> > use if you want to communicate with the largest number
> > of people world wide and the logical choice for an
> > international organization.
> >
> > Perhaps one day Nova Roma will be able to afford to
> > pay for a staff of full time translators like they
> > have at the United Nations. Then everything can
> > quickly be translated in several working languages.
> > Until that day arrives we have to limit ourselves to a
> > single working language and English is the only
> > logical choice for that language.
> >
> >
> > =====
> > L. Sicinius Drusus
> >
> > Roman Citizen
> >
> > __________________________________
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Franciscus Apulus Caesar wrote:

> The judgement was hard, but at the end the Jury decided that the
> winner is
>
> ON THE ARRIVAL OF NEWS FROM AFRICA by Gaia Flavia Aureliana

Congratulations to Gaia Flavia Aureliana! Well done!

-- Marinus

Salve,

Congratulations Gaia Flavia. A most deserved victory.
We in Britannia are most proud of you :-)

> The judgement was hard, but at the end the Jury
> decided that the
> winner is
>
> ON THE ARRIVAL OF NEWS FROM AFRICA by Gaia Flavia
> Aureliana

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus

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C VALERIVS PUBLICOLA OMNIBVS SPD

I understand that the question not in that is English an official language whether or not.
The question - English language with usual mistakes for nonnative language is
English or not? Am I right?

Personally I am terrified each time sending a mail as itself I do not love mistakes in Russian.

Therefore I am sorry for the English.

I with gratitude would accept similar corrections from Q. Fabius.

VALETE

mailto:alexus1978@...

Salvete Omnes:

Diana Moravia writes:

>The Christians do have a rahter hard-line attitude towards sucide which is
>strange since Jesus let himself get killed. Ok it was not quite a suicide
>but his not saving himself was the same as if he jumped in front of a train:
>certain death.

Even stranger views have been held by Christians. In Dante's "Inferno," Dante places the suicides in the second section of the 7th circle of Hell. The 7th circle is reserved for The Violent - against others, themselves, and nature. According to Dante's bizarre seating arrangements, the suicides are punished more severely than the murderers (!) In turn, murderers and suicides are punished less severely than money-lenders and gay people (and the reasons those two groups are in Hell at all shows how dogma can eat a religion alive).
Great poetry; lousy cosmology.
Valete
L. Suetonius Nerva





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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Franciscus Apulus Caesar"
<sacro_barese_impero@l...> wrote:

> The judgement was hard, but at the end the Jury decided that the
> winner is
>
> ON THE ARRIVAL OF NEWS FROM AFRICA by Gaia Flavia Aureliana
>

Congratulations, Gaia Flavia!!! Wonderful work :)

AVETE OMNES

While I apologize if anybody got upset for my silly cartoon (it was
just for fun! <g>) I'd like to conclude this discussion if possible.
It would be easier for me to discuss in Nova Roma using Latin.
However, I and many other pople accept to use (and in some case to
study) english as the majority of our citizens is anglophone.
As a consequence our command of language is not as good as if we
used our Mother Tongue.
I know that many magistrates ask anglophone citizens to check texts
in order to have them ready in proper english. However, as you all
can imagine, it is not possible to always find somebody willing to
do it. Therefore, while we non-anglophones make a strong effort to
use a language which is not ours, please anglophones make an effort
to try understanding what we are saying if it's not said properly.

I know many of you already do this, and are very patient (Thank
you!).
Let us just acknowledge that nothing has ever been needed but some
rewording now and then. I think that's something acceptable, isn't
it? :-)

OPTIME VALETE
M'Con.Serapio

Salvete !

I think the quality of a magistrate does not depend on his ability
for speaking English. It's definitely the role of the Nova-Roma's
translators to assist the non-speaking English magistrates.
To write in English is an easy way out to enable all our citizens of
all the countries to communicate. But if the goal of Nova-Roma is
definitively to impose English in our Republic and its future
territories, then it is clear for me I will not take part in it much
longer.
Please, Scuse my bad English... ;)

Valete !

Lucius Rutilius Minervalis

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, qfabiusmaxmi@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 9/18/03 1:51:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> sacro_barese_impero@l... writes:
>
> Salve Aedile
> > the Nova Roman Constitution don't say that the magistrates must
to
> > speak the English. Maybe do you prefer concentrate the efforts of
> > the magistrates on the language more than the Ludi and the live
> > project? Very intelligent and useful tactics.
>
> "Doesn't say, must speak English." You are thinking in Italian and
> translating it directly to English. Since I understand the rhythm
of Italian I can get
> a gist of what you are saying.
> As for it being a lex, actually once upon a time it was an edictum,
during L.
> Equitius Cincinnatus consulship. However, it needs to be renewed.
>
> > Or maybe do you want to close the cursus honorum to the not-
spoken-
> > english-men (not-american?) people?
> >
>
> Since members of the UK, and the commonwealth are not American, yet
can write
> understandable English, I believe your point is moot.
> >
> > I also believe you have to speak the legal language to be a
magistrate.
> Since English is the second tongue here in NR, this means you have
to write
> intelligible English.
> I am sorry you disagree. Three members of my Gens in Italy all
write
> exceptional English.
> So simply being Italian does not mean you cannot write English
well.
>
>
> > I would like to know the opinion of the majority of our
Magistrates
> > that come from latin coutries.
> >
>
> Since NR is an American non profit organization, I think it is
great we have
> magistrates in Latin countries. However they must still be able to
write
> intelligible English.
>
> > English is the second official language of NR and we Latin are
> > working hardly to use a different language not Latin!
> > I think you all speaking English must to understand us and our
> > efforts.
> > Your statement is very arrogant, intolerant and not Roman (in
> > Ancient time Latin and Greek was the official language but Rome
> > didn't forced the local languages to change).
> >
> B-S Aedile. The official language of Rome was Latin and you had to
know it
> if you were a magistrate.
> Greek was for those Patricians who were showing off they were
educated.
> Later in the Empire, Greek became the official language in the
East, yet some
> Latin terms were Hellenised so they continued to be used.
> Local dialects were never incorporated into the official language.
> So what exactly is this language you are communicating in during NR
official
> business? Pidgin English with an Italian dialect? Not
very "Roman" of you...
>
> Now if you wish to be a magistrate, either get an English
translator, who
> speaks Italian, or learn how to write the language correctly so we
can understand
> exactly what you are saying and are not making educated guesses.
>
> Vale
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete Omnes,

My Earlier statements regarding English's offical
status may have the undesirable side effect of making
some people feel uncomforatable posting to this list.

Being a native speaker of English dosen't blind me to
the language's faults. It's rules on grammer and
spelling are often arbitrary. It's lack of gender
inflictions can seem baffling to someone who is used
to them. It's not an easy language to learn.

I Not only welcome posts from people who are still
learning English, I encourage them. Using a langauge
on a regular basis is an excellent way to learn it.
You won't get any snide remarks from me on errors in
everyday comments.

Offical posts made by someone acting on behalf of Nova
Roma are however an exception. It's vital that they be
clearly understood. This is just as true of statements
made by native English Speakers as it is of statements
made by those who are using English as a second
language. I Would enourage any Magistrate or anyone
else to ask someone to review an offical statement
before releasing it, and that includes native English
speakers.

Whenever you are drafting an offical statement you
know what you want to say, and it makes it easy for
you to overlook problems that could cause it to be
unclear to others. This can be avoided by having
someone review it looking for errors that may make it
unclear.


=====
L. Sicinius Drusus

Roman Citizen

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AVETE

I would like to give only a little contribution to this discussion.

From: G. Iulius Scaurus:

>It means that we must depend more on our multilingual citizens to vett

translations of official communications (and I don't think every time a
magistrate posts to a list is an "official" communication).

I think this is a pragmatic and balanced point of view. I agree that
"official" communications of Nova Roma must be unexceptionable. Instead
posts in ML may be a few inaccurate, even if intelligible. Every person who
posts in this ML highlight his/her desire to contribute in the Res-Publica
development. So any attempt to set he/she ridiculous is, indirectly, a
damage for the Res-Publica and not only for that person.
I'm in contact with an US Citizen and we exchange e-mails in a mixture of
English, Italian and Latin. Each of us correct the other. I'm improving my
English and (probably in the future) my terrible Latin, he is improving his
Italian. This is, for my opinion, an example of win-win situation. I think
an example to follow.


From: Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix:

> I believe that Censor M. Octavius posted another demographic list about a

year and a half ago and it was still hovering about 75-77%. So, there is no
matter of arrogance involved its a matter of practicality, most citizens in
Nova Roma speak English.

This is a very good information! So when the first demographic statistics
will certify a majority of German (for example) people all we'll have to
speak German ! ... just not to be arrogant ...

VALETE
C.IVL.MARIVS


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Salve Romans FYI


If you haven't seen this site from UCLA please take a look it's Virtual recreation of Rome!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.cvrlab.org/


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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--Salvete Omnes;
I think all we need is a little humour and generousity,
especially for those making the effort to write in another tongue.
I will never forget after years of studying Russian, reading Blok,
Herzen, Lermontov, intense historical study...
that i jumped into a cab in New York City with a Russian cabdriver
I said "Izvoschkik pa-idyomti!"
whereupon he laughed so hard he started hicupping.
I said "what did I say?" convinced of my perfect classical Russian.
He replied, wiping the tears of laughter:
"you said 'Coachman - spring your horses!'"

So give it a rest, I'm a U.S citizen in Europe, speak
French,Italian, Russian, understand Spanish, and can manage in
Japanese. Kindness is the key.
Vale, Pomponia Fabia

>

I'm in contact with an US Citizen and we exchange e-mails in a
mixture of

> English, Italian and Latin. Each of us correct the other. I'm

improving my

> English and (probably in the future) my terrible Latin, he is

improving his

> Italian. This is, for my opinion, an example of win-win situation.

I think

> an example to follow.
>
>
> From: Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix:
>
> > I believe that Censor M. Octavius posted another demographic list

about a

> year and a half ago and it was still hovering about 75-77%. So,

there is no

> matter of arrogance involved its a matter of practicality, most

citizens in

> Nova Roma speak English.
>
> This is a very good information! So when the first demographic

statistics

> will certify a majority of German (for example) people all we'll

have to

> speak German ! ... just not to be arrogant ...
>
> VALETE
> C.IVL.MARIVS
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I, Cornelius Moravius Laureatus Armoricus do hereby solemnly swear to uphold
the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the
people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Cornelius Moravius Laureatus Armoricus
swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Cornelius Moravius Laureatus Armoricus swear to uphold and defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in
a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Cornelius Moravius Laureatus Armoricus swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Cornelius Moravius Laureatus Armoricus further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Prolegatus to the best of
my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Prolegatus and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and
responsibilities attendant thereto.

Corn. Moravius Laureatus Armoricus
"To a man with a hammer, every issue looks like a nail"

Salvete omnes,

I would like to remind everybody that the deadline for taking bookings for
our Britannia gathering (4/5 Oct 03) is monday 22 Sept 2003. After this day
I will do my best to find accomodation for late comers but cannot guarantee
availabilty nor price.

Thank you all for your support and interest. I will get back in touch
sometime next week with all who have already booked to give the final
details. I will also publish a final list of attendees then.

Optime valete

Corn. Moravius Laureatus Armoricus
"To a man with a hammer, every issue looks like a nail"

Hi hi hi, they are at it again !

Mind you election campaigns will start soon, we'd be better start a polemic.
How about a proposal to establish an embassy on Mars should the probe we
sent there come back with proof of life ? ;-)

In the mean time carry on fishing the red herrings : I can't stop laughing
!!!

In all humour (<--that was the intent anyway)

Moravius Laureatus
"To a man with a hammer, every issue looks like a nail"

LOL I thought the SVR had already claimed Mars! <eg>

Just a joke everyone....

Vale,

Sulla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Laureatus Armoricus"
<laureatusarmoricus@t...> wrote:

> Hi hi hi, they are at it again !
>
> Mind you election campaigns will start soon, we'd be better start a

polemic.

> How about a proposal to establish an embassy on Mars should the

probe we

> sent there come back with proof of life ? ;-)
>
> In the mean time carry on fishing the red herrings : I can't stop

laughing

> !!!
>
> In all humour (<--that was the intent anyway)
>
> Moravius Laureatus
> "To a man with a hammer, every issue looks like a nail"

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C.IVL.MARIVS" <c_iul_marius@y...>
wrote:
SNIP

> From: Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix:
>
> > I believe that Censor M. Octavius posted another demographic list

about a

> year and a half ago and it was still hovering about 75-77%. So,

there is no

> matter of arrogance involved its a matter of practicality, most

citizens in

> Nova Roma speak English.
>
> This is a very good information! So when the first demographic

statistics

> will certify a majority of German (for example) people all we'll have to
> speak German ! ... just not to be arrogant ...
>
> VALETE
> C.IVL.MARIVS
>

I'm afraid it wouldn't be that simple. Even if the largest number of
citizens spoke German as thier native language, we would still have
the situation of English being the most common language as a first or
second language. Adopting German would also have the side effect of
limiting any future growth of Nova Roma to mostly central Europeans.

India has allmost no native English speakers, but English is an
offical language of the country because so many Indians speak it as a
second language as a result of past colonialism. This use of a foreign
language serves as a unifing force in that land of many tongues.

There is also the matter of Latin. Many have sugested it as a neutral
language, but conducting our affairs in Latin would have one major
drawback. Even if we started a program to teach every citizen Latin
over the next 5 years, and the program was a complete sucess resulting
in all of us being fluent in Latin, it would cause a major problem.

It would severely limit the growth of Nova Roma. We would get no more
than a half dozen new citizens a year. We would be cutting ourselves
off from the rest of a world where few people speak Latin. Unless we
can convince the rest of the world to adopt Latin as a widespread
International Language we will be severely limiting our ability to
communicate with them.

For the time being we are stuck with English. Not because Nova Roma
wants to impose it on others, but because of historic conditions in
the rest of the world that we have no control over.

L. Sicinius Drusus
Citizen

In a message dated 9/18/03 8:02:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
alexus1978@... writes:

> I understand that the question not in that is English an official language
> whether or not.
> The question - English language with usual mistakes for non native language
> is
> English or not? Am I right?

Salve Valeri

You are not quite clear on what I'm saying here. I am not complaining about
post such as yours in the Forum. Gods know, you are doing the best you
can. Russian is a hard language, my mother spoke it. But what I was taking
to
task was the way that certain magistrates fracture English while making
official
pronouncements about Nova Roma. I believe such fracturing is
counterproductive and worse, makes the magistrate look illiterate.
If you need any help improving your English, I'll be glad to help you. As
one who spoke German before he ever learned English, I know the frustration of
tense, voice
and my own pet peeve, homonyms.

>
> Personally I am terrified each time sending a mail as itself I do not love
> mistakes in Russian.
> Therefore I am sorry for the English.

Correct English for the above would be:
Personally, I am terrified every time I send mail, since speaking for myself,
I do not
love (or like) reading mistakes in Russian.
(I would use "like" here. "Love" is a very warm English word meaning
romantically involved, or passionate about a subject. "Like" is a lot cooler word,
meaning "favorable, or acceptable")

Vale
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Salvete Marine et Omnes

Thank you all for your good wishes.

I feel very fortunate to have won against such a worthy competitor as
Marinus.

Valete

Aureliana


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Sent: 16 September 2003 14:14
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Franciscus Apulus Caesar wrote:

> The judgement was hard, but at the end the Jury decided that the
> winner is
>
> ON THE ARRIVAL OF NEWS FROM AFRICA by Gaia Flavia Aureliana

Congratulations to Gaia Flavia Aureliana! Well done!

-- Marinus


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Wishing Gaia Flavia Aureliana felicitas on her well-deserved Cultural
award, and to Gn. Equitius Marinus for giving Gaia a good run for her
money. I had to re-read both entries to fully appreciate their
qualities, my eyes and senses being dimmed by a rotten cold.

Excellent work! There is little I find more satisfying that reading
good works. Well... and fine conversation... and excellent food...
and watching the factiones compete in the Circus!

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bene vale,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
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@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
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Factio Praesina
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factiopraesina/

Avete omnes,

the answers to yesterday's questions:

>Question n.11 - Ammianus Marcellinus
>He lived from 330 to 400 CE and wrote, following the example of >Tacitus,

a story of Rome: how was the name of his books?

A. Rerum Gestarum Libri XXXI a.k.a. Res Gestae

>How many books originally were and how many we still have today?

31 books, only 18 survived

>According to his books he gave us an explicit indication about his >life:

how did he describe himself?

A. a "miles quondam et Graecus" (a soldier and a Greek)

Updated and final score:

1) *** Julilla Sempronia Magna, 20 pts ***

2) Isidora Galeria Sergia, 14 pts
3) Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, 13 pts
4) Gaius Iulius Scaurus, 6 pts
5) Lucius Iulius Sulla, 5 pts
6) Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, 3 pts
7) Quintus Fabius Maximus, 2 pts
8) Gallus Solaris Alexander, 1 pt

Thanks to all the partecipants, hope you enjoyed! :-)

valete

"OLIM HORTA CIDESTI FIDE IGNOTAM"

Marcus Iulius Perusianus
Scriba Curatoris Differum
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Provincia Italia: http://italia.novaroma.org
Senior Aedile Cohors: http://italia.novaroma.org/fac
The site of the Roman monuments:
http://italia.novaroma.org/signaromanorum

I noticed there is nothing on either the NR Religio page or on the main
page that states that the website and material contained therein is
copyrighted or protected in any way, or that any rights are reserved by
the authors or Nova Roma.. so essentially there is nothing stating that
others _shouldn't_ be copying the website.. I agree Nova Roma should be
credited with their owned and original works, but I do believe that even
if one doesn't hold a copyright one needs to make some a priori
statement claiming copyright in order to be able to prevent others from
copying your material.

In lieu of that, then one's only recourse to plagiarists is, as Citizen
Galerius has pointed out, to ask very, very nicely.

Ti. Ambrosius Silvus

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Sent: Tuesday, 16 September, 2003 15:16
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Page on roman gods


Please remember, citizens, that plagiarism is the highest form of
flattery or the last refuge of the lazy scholar. I don't really know if
it is worth the time, money, and effort to track down these miscreants
and make them recant. However, perhaps the PM should contact the
webmasters of the sites that are using NR original material and ask them
to give NR the credit and get a link to our organization so we might be
able to reap the benefit of new members.
Just a thought.

F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus

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Salvete Quirites!

Honestly how many native English speaking citizens do really speak
perfect English? If we would require that every magistrate and
official would speak perfect English then not many could candidate,
not even among the Americans and who would be the judge of the
language skills by the way? ;-)

Are there those who want Nova Roma to consist only of English
speaking citizens with perfect control of that language? How small
and insignificant would the Res Publica become then? ;-)

I choose the opposite line and urge citizens who are not native
English speaking citizens to candidate for every office in Nova Roma
and as officials train their ability to serve the Res Publica in
every aspect. Let us continue to improve our English language skills
as we work for the Res Publica using English as the "business
language" of Nova Roma!

Especially I ask the citizens living in Provincia Italia to raise to
take responsibility for the Res Publica. Italia is our Mother
Provincia and it is the duty, I would say, of the citizens living in
Italia to become even more involved in the Res Publica, especially
when there seems to be people who not are so eager to see Italians as
leaders of the Res Publica!

I visited Provincia Italia during the Nova Roman Rally in Bologna and
after. I was impressed by the Nova Roman citizens in Italia. I think
that Nova Roma need more of them. One of the best, of many good
citizens in Italia, is Honorable Marcus Iulius Perusianus, a hard
working Legatus and citizen. He especially impressed me with his
splendid work for the Magna Mater project which involves complicated
contacts with the Italian state and Academic institutions. I would be
very glad to see Honorable Marcus Iulius Perusianus start climbng the
Curus Honorum next year and it would be an honor for me to support
him as he climbs that ladder.
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
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Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Salvete

> Please remember, citizens, that plagiarism is the highest form of
> flattery or the last refuge of the lazy scholar. I don't really know if
> it is worth the time, money, and effort to track down these miscreants
> and make them recant.

OFM: I agree.

However, perhaps the PM should contact the > webmasters of the sites that are

> using NR original material and ask them to give NR the credit and get a link
> to our organization so we might be able to reap the benefit of new members.
> Just a thought.
>

Or have the PM delegate the authority to do so. I think it is our fault.
Nowhere does it say on that the page there are is a copyright, nor does it give
the authors' names or contact
info. The "fair use" law is in effect anyway. If they got the info from us
they should acknowledge it and give us credit. That is professional courtesy.

Q. Fabius Maximus




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