Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Oct 9-21, 2003
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15727 From: qvadrat2000 Date: 2003-10-09
Subject: how do i get a vote code?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15728 From: rory12001 Date: 2003-10-09
Subject: Re: sabotage and assassinations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15729 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-10-09
Subject: Re: voter confidentiality
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15730 From: raymond fuentes Date: 2003-10-09
Subject: Re: Forum Romanum not Working
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15731 From: Marcus Octavius Germanicus Date: 2003-10-09
Subject: Re: Forum Romanum not Working
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15732 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Resignation of Gaius Galerius Peregrinator ?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15733 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: The Eagle in 2757?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15734 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: The Census?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15735 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: (no subject)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15736 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Citizenship Ring
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15737 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Re: voter confidentiality
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15738 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Re: sabotage and assassinations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15739 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Re: The Eagle in 2757?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15740 From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Re: sabotage and assassinations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15741 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Re: sabotage and assassinations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15742 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Re: sabotage and assassinations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15743 From: KECTAM@aol.com Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Re: Where are your horses?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15744 From: gkbagne Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Re: Citizenship Ring
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15745 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: REPOST: VICTORIA LUDI CIRCENSES
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15746 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Re: Citizenship Ring
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15747 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Re: The Census?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15748 From: rory12001 Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Re: sabotage and assassinations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15749 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Re: sabotage and assassinations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15750 From: iacomus_darrius Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Looking for Roman Decoration
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15751 From: Michael Ponte: The Love Machine Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Re: The Eagle in 2757?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15752 From: Michael Ponte: The Love Machine Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Allow me to introduce myself...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15753 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Ludi Circenses
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15754 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15755 From: Michael Ponte: The Love Machine Date: 2003-10-11
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15756 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2003-10-11
Subject: Re: The Eagle in 2757?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15757 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-11
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15758 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-10-11
Subject: LUDI CIRCENSES: last places
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15759 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-11
Subject: Re: Looking for Roman Decoration
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15760 From: Paula Drennan Date: 2003-10-11
Subject: Re: Citizenship Ring
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15761 From: L. Sicinius Drusus Date: 2003-10-11
Subject: Re: Citizenship Ring
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15762 From: iacomus_darrius Date: 2003-10-11
Subject: Re: Looking for Roman Decoration
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15763 From: WhiteRose Date: 2003-10-11
Subject: Re: Aedilitian Edictum Nº V - Appointment of scribas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15764 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-12
Subject: (no subject)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15765 From: Jason Date: 2003-10-12
Subject: Re: Citizenship Ring
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15766 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-12
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Aedilitian Edictum Nº V - Appointment of scrib
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15767 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-12
Subject: Re: Allow me to introduce myself...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15768 From: Daniel O. Villanueva Date: 2003-10-12
Subject: Factio Veneta. We have two days left !!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15769 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-10-12
Subject: LUDI CIRCENSES: stop
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15770 From: L. Didius Geminus Sceptius Date: 2003-10-12
Subject: New law: LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTAS TRIBUNICIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15771 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-12
Subject: Re: Citizenship Ring
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15772 From: raymond fuentes Date: 2003-10-12
Subject: Re: Citizenship Ring
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15773 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-12
Subject: Romans in Scotland
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15774 From: Marcus Rubellius Felix Date: 2003-10-12
Subject: Check out this site if you are interested in......
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15775 From: Bryan Griffin Junior Date: 2003-10-12
Subject: Photo Page
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15776 From: Lucius Cassius Pontonius Date: 2003-10-12
Subject: Re: Allow me to introduce myself...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15777 From: J Auger Date: 2003-10-13
Subject: Re: Allow me to introduce myself...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15778 From: Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2003-10-13
Subject: O.T.: Travel to Rome in 2757AUC
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15779 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-10-13
Subject: Re: New law: LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTAS TRIBUNICIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15780 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-10-13
Subject: The father of Lucretius?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15781 From: L. Didius Geminus Sceptius Date: 2003-10-13
Subject: Re: New law: LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTAS TRIBUNICIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15782 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-10-13
Subject: Re: O.T.: Travel to Rome in 2757AUC
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15783 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-13
Subject: The Gladiator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15784 From: Bryan Griffin Junior Date: 2003-10-13
Subject: Give me a Roman name
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15785 From: Christopher L. Wood Date: 2003-10-14
Subject: Re: Citizenship Ring
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15786 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-14
Subject: Important! LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTAS TRIBUNICIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15787 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-14
Subject: Re: Give me a Roman name
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15788 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-14
Subject: Re: Give me a Roman name
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15789 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-14
Subject: Re: Important! LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTAS TRIBUNICIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15790 From: sceptia Date: 2003-10-14
Subject: Re: Lex nova (LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15791 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-14
Subject: Re: Lex nova (LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15792 From: eremitesplato Date: 2003-10-14
Subject: Research on Reconstructionism
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15793 From: cassius622@aol.com Date: 2003-10-14
Subject: Re: Citizenship Ring
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15794 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-15
Subject: Feminae Romanae: The Women of Ancient Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15795 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-15
Subject: Re: Lex nova (LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15796 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-15
Subject: Re: Lex nova (LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15797 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-15
Subject: Re: Lex nova (LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15798 From: sceptia Date: 2003-10-15
Subject: To G. Iulius Scaurus and D. Movaria Aventina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15799 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-15
Subject: Re: To G. Iulius Scaurus and D. Movaria Aventina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15800 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-15
Subject: Re: Lex nova (LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15801 From: L. Didius Geminus Sceptius Date: 2003-10-15
Subject: Re: To G. Iulius Scaurus and D. Movaria Aventina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15802 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-10-15
Subject: Re: Important! LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTAS TRIBUNICIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15803 From: politicog Date: 2003-10-15
Subject: Re: Lex nova (LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15804 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2003-10-15
Subject: Re: Lex nova (LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15805 From: Lucius Equitius Date: 2003-10-15
Subject: Equus October
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15806 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-15
Subject: Re: Lex nova (LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15807 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-15
Subject: The 'Palace' of Diocletian at Split
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15808 From: Jason Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Re: Citizenship Ring
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15809 From: L. Didius Geminus Sceptius Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Lex Didia Gemina de Potestate Tribunicia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15810 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Re: Equus October
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15811 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Re: Lex nova (LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15812 From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Re: Lex nova (LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15813 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: response to Cordus: Lex nova.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15814 From: raymond fuentes Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: October Horse
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15815 From: Karen Blackburn Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Re: Give me a Roman name
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15816 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Ludi Victoria!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15817 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Ludi Victoria Cultural Contest
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15818 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15819 From: rory12001 Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Provincia Hibernia?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15820 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis: Day I
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15821 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Re: response to Cordus: Lex nova.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15822 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Ludi victory
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15823 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Re: Ludi victory
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15824 From: fin372000 Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: New Citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15825 From: rory12001 Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: re; Ludi Victory
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15826 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Roman Family Law and Traditions
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15827 From: Decimus Iunius Silanus Date: 2003-10-17
Subject: New game
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15828 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-17
Subject: Re: Ludi victory
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15829 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2003-10-17
Subject: Re: New game
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15830 From: L. Sicinius Drusus Date: 2003-10-17
Subject: Re: New Citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15831 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-17
Subject: Ludi Victoria Circensis, Day II
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15832 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-10-17
Subject: The father of Lucretius? - addendum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15833 From: L. Didius Geminus Sceptius Date: 2003-10-17
Subject: Lex Didia Gemina de Potestate Tribunicia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15834 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-17
Subject: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Day 2
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15835 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-17
Subject: ATTENTION Scriba Curatoris Differum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15836 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-17
Subject: Etruscan Section of the Archaeological Museum of Bologna
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15837 From: deciusiunius Date: 2003-10-17
Subject: Re: Lex Didia Gemina de Potestate Tribunicia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15838 From: aoctaviaindagatrix Date: 2003-10-18
Subject: Zeugma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15839 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-18
Subject: Fw: SPQR Ring
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15840 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-18
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Circensis, Day II
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15841 From: Paula Drennan Date: 2003-10-18
Subject: Re: Fw: SPQR Ring
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15842 From: L. Didius Geminus Sceptius Date: 2003-10-18
Subject: Re: Digest Number 881
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15843 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-18
Subject: Ludi Victoria games
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15844 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2003-10-18
Subject: Legal Name Changed to Roman Name?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15845 From: rory12001 Date: 2003-10-18
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria games
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15846 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-18
Subject: Introduction to Greek and Roman Comedy
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15847 From: forthegodshonor@aol.com Date: 2003-10-18
Subject: Republica or Empire?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15848 From: O. Flavius Pompeius Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: Republica or Empire?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15849 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: Republica or Empire?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15850 From: TiAnO Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria games
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15851 From: fin372000 Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: Republica or Empire?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15852 From: Patricia Cassia Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: NR incorporation documents posted
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15853 From: cassius622@aol.com Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: Republic or Empire?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15854 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Testing PGP
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15855 From: Daniel O. Villanueva Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Congratulations Gaius Lanius Falco
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15856 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: Testing PGP
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15857 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: Testing PGP
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15858 From: Lucius Equitius Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Armilustrium
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15859 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: Republica or Empire?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15860 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria games
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15861 From: John Walzer Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: Republica or Empire?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15862 From: Lucius Cassius Pontonius Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: Ludi victory
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15863 From: Lucius Cassius Pontonius Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: New game
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15864 From: Evan Sharp Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: ring design
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15865 From: Lucius Pompeius Octavianus Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: Ludi victory. Vivat Factionem Venetam!!!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15866 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: response to Cordus: Lex nova.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15867 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Roman Archaeology: Roman Architecture & Engineering
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15868 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: ring design
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15869 From: O. Flavius Pompeius Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Re: Republica or Empire?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15870 From: Karen Blackburn Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Re: Provincia Hibernia?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15871 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Re: response to Cordus: Lex nova.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15872 From: raymond fuentes Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Re: Ancient Music Available Online
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15873 From: fin372000 Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Re: Republica or Empire?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15874 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Day 3
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15875 From: Bill Gawne Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day III
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15876 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day III
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15877 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day IV
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15878 From: raymond fuentes Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Fwd: Feminae Romanae The Women of Ancient Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15879 From: raymond fuentes Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Fwd: Feminae Romanae The Women of Ancient Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15880 From: Laureatus Armoricus Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Day 3
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15881 From: rory12001 Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day IV
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15882 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day IV
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15883 From: rory12001 Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day IV
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15884 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Calling all authors!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15885 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Circus Maximus and Flavian Colosseum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15886 From: TiAnO Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: More murder!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15887 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day IV
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15888 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Re: More murder!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15889 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day IV
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15890 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Re: More murder!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15891 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day III
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15892 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Re: More murder!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15893 From: O. Flavius Pompeius Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Building Site
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15894 From: Laureatus Armoricus Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Day 3
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15895 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Day 4
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15896 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day V
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15897 From: rory12001 Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day III
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15898 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Re: Republica or Empire?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15899 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: The real History of the Green Assassinations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15900 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Recruiting Presentation's
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15901 From: L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: CALLING FOR THE COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBUTA - Comitiorum Plebis Tributor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15902 From: Daniel O. Villanueva Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Congrats


Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15727 From: qvadrat2000 Date: 2003-10-09
Subject: how do i get a vote code?
Ave, my name is Marcus Rubellius Felix.
Im a nex citizen, how do i get a vote code?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15728 From: rory12001 Date: 2003-10-09
Subject: Re: sabotage and assassinations
Salvete Francisce Apule omnesque ;
my gorgeous whites are the pride of Judaea & I have hired some
Judaean mercenaries too, the best in all of the Empire so Albata,
Russata, Veneta take care!
vale Pomponia Fabia Vera Attica

>
> About your body guards, I hoe they are very strong and with open
> eyes because I see several possibilities of dirty actions during
the
> Victoria Ludi Circenses... ;-)
>
> Good luck, Otho!
>
> Vale
> Fr. Apulus Caesar
> Senior Curule Aedile
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, TiAnO <tiberius_ann@y...> wrote:
> > Salvete omnes,
> >
> > Hereby I would like to publicly announce, that I have replaced
> Septimus Raurax as driver of my chariot Basilea.
> >
> > During my last visit to the land between the Eurphrates and the
> Tigris, I met a man who owned 12 marvelous black thoroughbred Arab
> horses. They are still very young, but allready very well trained
> and faster than my old set!!!!! I bought 6 of them, together with
> the best driver I have ever seen. His name is Tigris and the people
> call him 'Tigris volans'.
> >
> > Together with the horses, I have also bought a bodyguard for
horse
> and driver. He is almost 7 feet tall and has a body like a germanic
> tribesman!! He has sworn allegance to me by his life!!!!
> >
> > So, take care!! I have been sabotaged twice and I will not
> tolerate any dirty actions against my chariot anymore ;-)
> >
> > Valete bene, Tiberius Annaeus Otho
> >
> >
> >
> > Tiberius Annaeus Otho (TiAnO) Factio Praesina
> > Lictor curiatus
> > Translator linguae Germanicae
> > Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
> > Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
> > Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
> > Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15729 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-10-09
Subject: Re: voter confidentiality
Salve Senior Tribuna!

Correct! Sorry!

>Salvete,
>
>For future elections and voting please consider this a friendly reminder to
>all presiding magistrates: Tribe numbers and Century numbers are not
>supposed to be mentioned in the official results since it is a breach of
>voter confidentiality.
>
>Valete,
>Diana Moravia
>Tribunus Plebis

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15730 From: raymond fuentes Date: 2003-10-09
Subject: Re: Forum Romanum not Working
Maybe someone didn't pay the bill this month...

Charlie Collins <lentulus@...> wrote:Salve,
I don't know if anyone else has noticed but the Forum Romanum
is not working. I check it everytime I come online to see if someone
is there. The pane listing citizens online isn't working. I have
e-mailed Marcus Octavius Germanicus about it. I have checked it
with both Mac IE 5.2.2 and Apple's Safari browser's with the same
results.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15731 From: Marcus Octavius Germanicus Date: 2003-10-09
Subject: Re: Forum Romanum not Working
No, I rebooted the server for the first time in over a year, and forgot
to start it up (there's a daemon (background process) involved). I didn't
know anyone was using the feature!

It's back now.

> Maybe someone didn't pay the bill this month...
>
> Charlie Collins <lentulus@...> wrote:Salve,
> I don't know if anyone else has noticed but the Forum Romanum
> is not working. I check it everytime I come online to see if someone
> is there. The pane listing citizens online isn't working. I have
> e-mailed Marcus Octavius Germanicus about it. I have checked it
> with both Mac IE 5.2.2 and Apple's Safari browser's with the same
> results.
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>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15732 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Resignation of Gaius Galerius Peregrinator ?
Salve Romans

Does anybody know why Gaius Galerius Peregrinator resigned his citizenship?


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15733 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: The Eagle in 2757?
Salve Romans

For those of you who have a paid subscription to the Eagle and are also on the main list I have a question.

Just for planning purposes how many of you are planning to renew for next year?

How many of you on the main list that do not currently subscribe are planning on taking out a subscription for the coming year?


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15734 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: The Census?
Salve Romans

It is now October 10th.

When are we going to hear something about the census or did I miss a post or two?


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15735 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: (no subject)
G.Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to a wonderful set of photographs of a detailed scale
model of classical Rome by Andre Caron:

http://www.marquettes-historiques.net/page4.html

The site is available in French and English.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15736 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Citizenship Ring
Salve Romans

I have uploaded a picture of a ring onto the Yahoo group site for NR.

Please take a look and tell me if you like this as the design of a citizenship ring.

The "1999" would be replaced with SPQR and the LVHS would be replaced with NOVA down one side and ROMA down the other.

So what do you think?


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15737 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Re: voter confidentiality
> Salve Senior Tribuna!
>
> Correct! Sorry!

Salve Senior Consul!

It's not a problem because one of the Rogatores already made the honest
mistake of accidentally posting all the results with the Tribes and
centuries first. So everyone saw it before your email anyway. My email
really was 'just a friendly reminder'.

Vale!
Diana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15738 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Re: sabotage and assassinations
Salve,

> I think that the arab horses are the best horses in teh world, a
> wonderful race. They're very beautiful and elegant and they have an
> high resistance inthe hot desert.

Arab horses are beautiful but weak!! Even though the Hade's Chariot does not
need horses to pull it (it's psychically powered by on rage and anger :-)
Latina will be using 17 hand-high Great Flemish stallions who were the most
sought after war-horses once upon a time. They work as a real team when
pulling a chariot and are *totally* impossible to push into the walls of the
circus. For those of you from the US, they were crossbred with Scottish
horses to make the Clydesdale breed (of Budweiser fame): very big strong
horses with the gigantic feet.

If my horses lose, we'll just eat them afterwards because not only are the
Great Flemish Horses big strong and handsome, they taste great too :-)

Vale,
Diana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15739 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Re: The Eagle in 2757?
> Just for planning purposes how many of you are planning to renew for next
year?

If you are the editor, you can count me in for a subscription next year
Tiberius !

Vale,
Diana Moravia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15740 From: qfabiusmaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Re: sabotage and assassinations
In a message dated 10/10/03 1:17:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
diana@... writes:


> If my horses lose, we'll just eat them afterwards because not only are the
> Great Flemish Horses big strong and handsome, they taste great too :-)
>

Well, they are slow. And they don't have great wind. Arabs which my MIL
raises so I am around them, are too skittish and worse, not good haulers. Most
chariot horses were Gallic or Germanic, mixed with Hispanic blood stock.
However, if we are playing with horse bashing rules, where the chariot tries to
injure one of the quad, then my sestercies are on Moravia's team.
She'll finish while everybody else is flipped or wrecked.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15741 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Re: sabotage and assassinations
Salvete Omnes,
today I suggest you all to buy an italic horse, born and trained in
the lands of Tuscany, Umbria or Lombardia.
Some horse like this: http://www.snai.it/varenne/Var-home.htm , our
champion Varenne.
For the next Ludi I think I'll collect money to buy a son of
Varenne. Now a glass of sperm of Varenne costs 15.000 euro. :-)

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15742 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Re: sabotage and assassinations
Franciscus Apulus Caesar wrote:

> Now a glass of sperm of Varenne costs 15.000 euro. :-)

I think I'll stick with drinking Falerno.

--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile
My Curule Aedile website is http://www.pha.jhu.edu/~gawne/ca.html
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15743 From: KECTAM@aol.com Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Re: Where are your horses?
For the attention of Fr. Apulus Caesar, Senior Curule Aedile

Salve,

I have been careless and lost the rules and tactics information for the Ludi.
Couldn't find anything on the main N-R site, so would it please be possible
to post them again?

Gratias tibi ago.

Vale,

Placidia Prisca


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15744 From: gkbagne Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Re: Citizenship Ring
From Aula Decia Lepella to Tiberius Galerius Pulinus, Salvette!

This ring design doesn't resemble any Roman rings I've ever seen.
I think I'd prefer something more classical. However, I wish to thank-
you for your effort on the citizen ring idea.

Be Well!



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:
> Salve Romans
>
> I have uploaded a picture of a ring onto the Yahoo group site for
NR.
>
> Please take a look and tell me if you like this as the design of a
citizenship ring.
>
> The "1999" would be replaced with SPQR and the LVHS would be
replaced with NOVA down one side and ROMA down the other.
>
> So what do you think?
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15745 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: REPOST: VICTORIA LUDI CIRCENSES
Reposted per the request of Placidia Prisca. (with cc to her)

--
Gn. Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile

----- Forwarded message from sacro_barese_impero@... -----
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 10:43:59 -0000
From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar <sacro_barese_impero@...>
Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] VICTORIA LUDI CIRCENSES
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

Salvete Omnes,

I'm very happy and proud to help my friend and colleague Curule
Aedile Gn. Equitius Marinus organizing for him the next Virtual
races during teh Ludi Victoria.
In fact the Ludi Victoriais very close, they will be organized by
the Cohors Aedilis of Marinus and I'm sure you'll have exciting and
funny events.

I post you the rules of Ludi Circenses, the same of the Ludi Romani
and invite you to partecipe in
several. The deadline to subscribe them is 14th October and you
have to send a message to sacro_barese_impero@...
[sacro_barese_impero @ libero.it]

I wish to Marinus good luck and good Ludi.

And now the rules! The subscriptions are open!!



VICTORIA LUDI CIRCENSES 2003

+ Rules +

Nova Roma organize "Victoria Ludi Circenses", chariot races during
the
Ludi Victoria starting at 16th October, in recollection of the roman
customs of amusement and entertainment. In these games only there
take part the citizens registered in Nova Roma who want to do it
according to the following rules exposed below.

1) How to take part?
1.1) Every player have to send our subscription to
sacro_barese_impero@... [Fr. Apulus Caesar] with the
subject "Ludi Circensis", within the following informations:
* His/her name in Nova Roma
* The name of his/her driver
* The name of his/her chariot
* His/her tactics for the Quarter and Semifinals (see point 2)
* His/her tactics for the Finals (see point 2)
* The name of his/her "factio" or team (green, red, blue or white)

1.2) The subscriptions must be sent before 14th October 2003 (time
of Rome).
1.3) Every player only will send one chariot.

2) Tactics
Six (6) race tactics are possible:
* To hurry in the last laps
* To pass the curves closely the "spina" of the circus.
* To support a constant pace
* To lash the rivals
* To push the rivals to the wall of the circus
* To hurry in the straight lines

2.1) Each player have the possibility to change his/her tactics if
he/she runs in the Final. He/she can send a tactics for the Quarter
and Semifinals and a tactics for the Final race.

3) Dirty actions
A citizen can try the assassination of the driver of a rival factio
or the sabotage of his/her chariot.

3.1) Assassination of the driver of a rival factio
The player must say to what factio he attacks. The chance is 30 %.
If the attempt is uncovered, the killer player is fined but his/her
chariot can take part in the race. If the attempt has success, the
player with the murdered driver can not take part in the race. Of
course, the killer isn´t uncovered.

3.2) Sabotage of a chariot
The player must say to what factio he attacks. The chance is 45 %.
If the attempt is uncovered, the killer player is fined and his/her
chariot can´t take part in the race. If the attemp t has success,
the player with the broken chariot WILL SUFFER AN ACCIDENT in the
race. Of course, the saboteur isn´t uncovered. If a player reaches
three fines. He/she will be reminded publicly in the forum and
he/she will not take part in the following Ludi.


3) How it will be the competition?
The competition is for elimination (quarter, semi-finals and final).
Every race will take 4 participants.
In the Quarter there is one player as every factio, the first two
players continue running, the last two are eliminated.
In the Semifinals there are the winners of the Quarter, the first
players run to the Final.
In the Final the 4 best players runs, the first is the Winner.

4) How the races will be?
4.1. ACCIDENTS.
Before doing the calculations of a race, the editor determine who
has an accident. For it, he roll one dice 0-100 for every chariot.
The resultant number will be its percentage of accident.
* The drivers with tactics 1 will have 0 to 15 percentage of
accident always. 0 to 25 if there are one or more drivers with
tactics 4 or 5.
* The drivers with tactics 2 will have 0 to 20 percentage of
accident always. 0 to 35 if there are one or more drivers with
tactics 4 or 5.
* The drivers with tactics 3 will have 0 to 10 percentage always.
* The drivers with tactics 4 will have 0 to 15 percentage always. 0
to 25 if there are other drivers with tactics 4.
* The drivers with tactics 5 will have 0 to 15 always. 0 to 25 if
there are other drivers with tactics 5.
* The drivers with tactics 6 will have 0 to 5 percentage always. 0
to 20 if there are other drivers with tactics 4 or 5.

4.2) CALCULATION OF THE RACES.
After determining which chariots (if any) have been eliminated from
a race due to an accident, the editor must calculate the order in
which the remaining teams finished the race.
The editor will roll one dice 0-10 for every player. This will be
the Value of Race (VR) of every car.
To know the final position of a chariot in the race the VR of every
player is divided by the sum of all the VR and the result is
multiplied by 50. This way we have its Chance to Win (CW).
For example, if there is a race with 4 chariots with these VR:
6,5,4,2 then the first chariot, with the VR 6, would have the
following Chance to to Win: 6/17 (17 is the sum of 6+5+4+2) x 50 =
17.6 (rounding, 18). The CW of the first chariot will be 18 points.
The second chariot, with VR 5, would have 5/17x50 = 14.7 (rounding,
15), therefore its CW is 15 points.

The tactics modify the CW of the following way:
Tactics 1) +6 points.
Tactics 2) +8 points.
Tactics 3) No points. The tactics 4 and 5 do not affect it.
Tactics 4) +2 points. The tactics 5 do not affect it.
Tactics 5) +2 points. The tactics 4 do not affect it.
Tactics 6) +4 points.

Assign each team a specific range of numbers out of a series of 100
that is equal to the team's Chance to Win. Assign these team ranges
consecutively. In our sample race, for example, Chariot 1's range
(with tactics 2) would be 01 through 25 (18+7). Chariot 2's range
(with tactics 4) would be 26 through 40.

The final step for the Editor is to roll a dice 0-100 to determine
the order of finish. The chariot within whose range the first dice 0-
100 roll falls is the team that finishes the race in first place.
The chariot within whose range the second dice 0-100 roll falls is
the team that finishes the race in second place. The chariot within
whose range the third D100 roll falls is the chariot that finishes
the race in third place. And so on. Once a chariot's position has
been determined, ignore subsequent rolls that fall within its range
and roll again.
In our sample race, the first die roll result is 25. This makes
chariot 2 (Range 26-40) the first place winner.

5) Time schedule
Announcement Ludi Circenses: 1st september
Opening subscription: 2nd October
Deadline: 14th October

6) Winners
The Winner of the Final will be the Winner of the Ludi Circensis and
will publish on the Ludi Romani Website
http://aediles.novaroma.org/ludicircenses.htm and in the Main
Mailing List of Nova Roma.
There will other races during the Ludi of the 2756. The best 4
runners of the year will run in the Final Chariot Race MAXIMI LUDI
CIRCENSES.

Informations:
- Cohors Aedilis F. Apulus Caesar Website:
http://aediles.novaroma.org/apulus/ludi/ludicricenses.htm
- Scriba Aedilis Gnaeus Salix Galaicus: piteas@t...

-----------

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15746 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Re: Citizenship Ring
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gkbagne" <gkbagne@h...> wrote:
> From Aula Decia Lepella to Tiberius Galerius Pulinus, Salvette!
>
> This ring design doesn't resemble any Roman rings I've ever
seen.
> I think I'd prefer something more classical. However, I wish to
thank-
> you for your effort on the citizen ring idea.
>
> Be Well!
>

Agreed, I'd recommend a reproduction Roman ring.
---
cura ut valeas,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| www.villaivlilla.com/
@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
|||| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Factio Praesina
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factiopraesina/
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15747 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Re: The Census?
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:
> Salve Romans
>
> It is now October 10th.
>
> When are we going to hear something about the census or did I miss
a post or two?
>


Julilla Sempronia Magna Tiberio Galerio Paulino omnesqui SPD

The census is not yet concluded. We have until the end of this month.

---
cura ut valeas,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| www.villaivlilla.com/
@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
|||| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Factio Praesina
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factiopraesina/
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15748 From: rory12001 Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Re: sabotage and assassinations
Arabs which my MIL
> raises so I am around them, are too skittish and worse, not good
haulers. Most
> chariot horses were Gallic or Germanic, mixed with Hispanic blood
stock.
> However, if we are playing with horse bashing rules, where the
chariot tries to
> injure one of the quad, then my sestercies are on Moravia's
team.
> She'll finish while everybody else is flipped or wrecked.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus

Salve Quinte Fabi;
I know wolfhounds came to Rome from Hibernia, but did horses make
it as well?
Francisce Apule; ecastor the trotters! how slow, come to Hibernia
where the horses race and jump over fences - that is exciting.

vale Pomponia Fabia Vera Attica
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15749 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Re: sabotage and assassinations
> > However, if we are playing with horse bashing rules, where the
> chariot tries to
> > injure one of the quad, then my sestercies are on Moravia's
> team.
> > She'll finish while everybody else is flipped or wrecked.

Salve Fabius,

Yup you can bet on my horses. And in return for your positive reinforcement,
I would like you to be my guest at the after chariot-race barbecue that I'll
be throwing at my winter villa in Roma. Depending on the outcome of the
race, we'll either be serving barbecued boar or horse steaks.

Vale,
Diana Moravia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15750 From: iacomus_darrius Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Looking for Roman Decoration
Is there anywhere on the net where I can find recreations suitable
for hanging on a wall? Say, Roman helmets and shields?

There seem to be a lot of places that will sell sword reproductions,
but I wanted to find some general decorations and wall-hangings as
well.

Links? Artisans?

~Danono
Iacomus Gladius Darrius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15751 From: Michael Ponte: The Love Machine Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Re: The Eagle in 2757?
I recently joined up, and I am interested in it. What is teh yearly price

Michael Ponte: The Love Machine
superponte@...

"Someone asked me yesterday if Dracula met Saruman and there was a fight, who would win. I just looked at this man. What an idiotic thing to say. I mean, really, it was half-witted." -Christopher Lee

Ponte Central: http://www.geocities.com/pontecentral/
Quantum Piett: http://www.geocities.com/quantumpiett/
DCU Weblist: http://www.geocities.com/dcweblist/
----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-Roma
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 1:45 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] The Eagle in 2757?


Salve Romans

For those of you who have a paid subscription to the Eagle and are also on the main list I have a question.

Just for planning purposes how many of you are planning to renew for next year?

How many of you on the main list that do not currently subscribe are planning on taking out a subscription for the coming year?


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15752 From: Michael Ponte: The Love Machine Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Allow me to introduce myself...
Salve!

I am Lucius Cassius Pontonius, one of the newer members of this fine congregation of individuals known as Nova Roma. I hope that our association is benefitial to us all, and that we have great times together.

Vale,


Lucius Cassius Pontonius


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15753 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Ludi Circenses
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here are some links appropriate to the upcoming Ludi Victoriae:

"The Circus: Roman Chariot Racing":

http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/circus.html

"Circus Maximus":

http://itsa.ucsf.edu/~snlrc/encyclopedia_romana/circusmaximus/circusma
ximus.html

And the Circus Flaminius, where the Ludi Plebei were held:

http://www.unicaen.fe/rome/englais/geographique/flaminius.html

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15754 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-10
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

There was a typo in the link for the Circus Flaminius; the URL should
read:

http://www.unicaen.fr/rome/englais/geographique/flaminius.html

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15755 From: Michael Ponte: The Love Machine Date: 2003-10-11
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses
Salve,

The second Links still do not appear to load.

Luicus Cassius Pontonius----- Original Message -----
From: g_iulius_scaurus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:01 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Ludi Circenses


G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here are some links appropriate to the upcoming Ludi Victoriae:

"The Circus: Roman Chariot Racing":

http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/circus.html

"Circus Maximus":

http://itsa.ucsf.edu/~snlrc/encyclopedia_romana/circusmaximus/circusma
ximus.html

And the Circus Flaminius, where the Ludi Plebei were held:

http://www.unicaen.fe/rome/englais/geographique/flaminius.html

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15756 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2003-10-11
Subject: Re: The Eagle in 2757?
Salve,

I'm planning to renew.

Vale,

Hibernia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:
> Salve Romans
>
> For those of you who have a paid subscription to the Eagle and are
also on the main list I have a question.
>
> Just for planning purposes how many of you are planning to renew
for next year?
>
> How many of you on the main list that do not currently subscribe
are planning on taking out a subscription for the coming year?
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Curator Differum
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15757 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-11
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

It appears there were two typos. This should now work without
problem:

http://www.unicaen.fr/rome/anglais/geographique/flaminius.html

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15758 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-10-11
Subject: LUDI CIRCENSES: last places
Salvete Omnes,
today is a wonderful sun day in south-italy and slowly I wake up from
my new private thermae to accomplish my job helping my friend Aediles
Equitius Marinus ;-)

We have other two empty places in the Victoria Ludi Circenses. I hope
to receive the subscriptions from members of Factio Albata and
Veneta. However reds and greens are welcome.
You have only 3 days, hurry up!

The rules have been posted by Marinus yesterday in this list.
Hurry up, only two empty places could be your!

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15759 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-11
Subject: Re: Looking for Roman Decoration
iacomus_darrius wrote:
> Is there anywhere on the net where I can find recreations suitable
> for hanging on a wall? Say, Roman helmets and shields?

Sure. Have you checked the Macellum page at novaroma.org?

http://novaroma.org/macellum/

I'd encourage you to try this first, since it includes
businesses owned by other Nova Romans, and a portion of
their profits comes back to NR. Be sure to take a look at
La Wren's Nest, as I think they have a lot of what you're
looking for.

> There seem to be a lot of places that will sell sword reproductions,
> but I wanted to find some general decorations and wall-hangings as
> well.
>
> Links? Artisans?

Here's a link to several suppliers of Roman armor:

http://www.romanhideout.com/suppliers.asp

There's also the excellent page maintained by our own
Legio XXIV Mediatlantica:

http://www.legionxxiv.org/supplierlinks/

--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile
My Curule Aedile website is http://www.pha.jhu.edu/~gawne/ca.html
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15760 From: Paula Drennan Date: 2003-10-11
Subject: Re: Citizenship Ring
I think that would be a good idea. I know i'll buy one.
Claudia Fabia Calpurnia

In memory of Tenzing the Kitty, May 4-August 1, 2003
He lost his short battle for life, and is now at peace
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...>
To: "Nova-Roma" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 2:44 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Citizenship Ring


> Salve Romans
>
> I have uploaded a picture of a ring onto the Yahoo group site for NR.
>
> Please take a look and tell me if you like this as the design of a citizenship ring.
>
> The "1999" would be replaced with SPQR and the LVHS would be replaced with NOVA down one side and ROMA down the other.
>
> So what do you think?
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15761 From: L. Sicinius Drusus Date: 2003-10-11
Subject: Re: Citizenship Ring
--- Julilla Sempronia Magna
<curatrix@...> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gkbagne"
> <gkbagne@h...> wrote:
> > From Aula Decia Lepella to Tiberius Galerius
> Pulinus, Salvette!
> >
> > This ring design doesn't resemble any Roman
> rings I've ever
> seen.
> > I think I'd prefer something more classical.
> However, I wish to
> thank-
> > you for your effort on the citizen ring idea.
> >
> > Be Well!
> >
>
> Agreed, I'd recommend a reproduction Roman ring.

Or a REAL Roman ring. They aren't as expensive as you
might think, Bronze rings run about 100 to 150 US
Dollars.

This site has a wide selection of real Roman rings:
http://www.thehonourablecompany.com/roman-jewelry/bronze.htm


=====
L. Sicinius Drusus

Roman Citizen

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15762 From: iacomus_darrius Date: 2003-10-11
Subject: Re: Looking for Roman Decoration
Gracia for the links. I didn't see them on the Nova-Roma pages.
They weren't very easy to see,

~Iacomus Darrius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15763 From: WhiteRose Date: 2003-10-11
Subject: Re: Aedilitian Edictum Nº V - Appointment of scribas
I, Agrippina Modia Aurelia do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the
honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of Lucius
Arminius Faustus while I hold this office, except when such action
would be illegal or unconstitutional.

I, Agrippina Modia Aurelia further swear to fulfill the obligations
and Responsibilities of the office of Scriba Ludorum to the best of
my Abilities while following the Roman virtues and ideals.

I,Agrippina Modia Aurelia swear to give faithful service to my
magistrate, and not to divulge any information discussed in
confidence. I understand that I serve solely at the discretion of my
magistrate.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Scriba Ludorum with all the privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Lucius Arminius Faustus
<lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> L. Arminius Faustus Aedilis Plebis omnia salutat
>
>
> By this, I appoint Agrippina Modia Aurelia and Marcus Curius
Scribonius Britanicus as Scriba Ludorum.
>
> Given at Sampa Magna, eight days after the ides of october.
>
> Valete
> L. Arminius Faustus
> Sole Plebeain Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15764 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-12
Subject: (no subject)
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Conimbriga: a Roman town in Portugal":

http://www1.ci.uc.pt/conimbriga/CONIMBR.HTM

The site provides a history and tour of the Flavian municipium as well
as a bibliography on its excavation.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15765 From: Jason Date: 2003-10-12
Subject: Re: Citizenship Ring
Salve!

I like it. Although it is not like the olden rings of glorious Rome,
it IS neo. Which is what we are, as well, no? I like it, and would
hastily save up to get one. But then again, i would get one no
matter what =)

Truly,
L.Velius Gallia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15766 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-12
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Aedilitian Edictum Nº V - Appointment of scrib
Congratulations Agrippina Modia on your appointment as Scriba to L Arminius
Faustus!

It is nice to see yet another Modia in service to Rome!

vale,
Diana Moravia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15767 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-12
Subject: Re: Allow me to introduce myself...
From: "Michael Ponte: The Love Machine" <superponte@...>
> I am Lucius Cassius Pontonius, one of the newer members of this fine
congregation of individuals known as Nova Roma. I hope that our association
is benefitial to us all, and that we have great times together.

Salve L Cassius,

Congratulations on entering an excellent Gens. And on seeing your name and
email address, I just *have* to ask: are you really a Love Machine and the
SuperPonte? :-))) Specific refereences to your Love Tool are *not*
appropriate on this NR mainlist but feel to give us all the dirty details at
BackAlley-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

Vale,
Diana Moravia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15768 From: Daniel O. Villanueva Date: 2003-10-12
Subject: Factio Veneta. We have two days left !!
Salvete omnes.
Factio Veneta members : we have two days left!!!. Those who haven't subscribed for the next Ludi , please hurry up!! .
If you participate, maybe fortune will be with us!
Bene valete
L. Pompeius Octavianus
Dominus factionis veneta


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15769 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-10-12
Subject: LUDI CIRCENSES: stop
Salvete Omnes,
I announce that the subscription's period is accomplished, we have
now 32 players for the Victoria Ludi Circenses.

Other subscriptions will be accepted as substitutions. So continue to
send me them but I don't promise anything.

This is the temporary list of players, please check if your name and
the informations are in and correct.
Of course you don't find the tactics and the dirty actions of each
player...



#########################################

Caius Curius Saturninus
driver: Euthymus
chariot: Inexpugnabilis II
factio: GREEN

Diana Moravia Aventina
driver : Latina of Gallia (the same lady who successfully killed the
tiger with the
gigantic teeth last year. She's meaner than ever! :-)
Chariot: Hade's Chariot
factio: WHITE

G. Iulius Scaurus
driver: C. Iulius Zosimus
chariot: Raptor Cruentus
Factio: Praesina

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus [I am entering the Victoria Ludi Circensis
for
the Honor of America Medioccidentalis Superior Province and Factio
Praesina]
Driver: Sextus Cornelius Balbus
Chariot: The Sunburst
Factio: Praesina

Lucius Suetonius Nerva
Driver: Florianus
Chariot: Umbra Coccinea
Factio: Russata

Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Driver: Italicus
Chariot: Equus Erectus
Factio: Russata

Manius Constantinus Serapio
Driver: Italicus
Chariot: Essedum
Factio: Praesina.

Julilla Sempronia Magna
Driver: Crescens
Chariot: Delecta Mea
Factio: PRAESINA

Gaius Lanius Falco
driver: Maximus Vincentius
chariot: Veritas
Factio Veneta

Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
driver: Draco Borealis
chariot: Imperator Invictus
factio: Albata

Titus Arminius Genialis
driver: Marcus Cursor
chariot: Vulpes Ignea
factio : Russata!

Marcus Arminius Maior
driver: Hermanus
chariot: Cheruscantis
factio : Russata!

L. Pompeius Octavianus
chariot : Crux Australis
driver : Victor Hispanicus
Factio: VENETA

Caeso Domitianus Postumus.
driver: Tigranes Quasitemptus
chariot: Firma Fulminata
Factio: VENETA

Aurelius Apulus Sanniticus,
Driver: Spartacus
chariot: Domini Irae
Factio: VENETA

L. Arminius Faustus
Driver: Livius Pacuvius
chariot: Veiense
Factio: RUSSATA

Marcus Iulius Perusianus
driver: Tenax
chariot: Lupus in Fabula
Factio: RUSSATA

Sextus Arminius Remus
Driver: Remus
chariot: Fulminatora
factio: Russata

Titus Arminius Volusius
driver: Lepidus
chariot: Velox
factio: Red

Philippus Arminius Remus
driver: Philiponicus
chariot: Potencia
factio: red

Kaeso Arminius Cato
driver: Drausius
chariot: Catonica
factio: Red

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Driver: Aoife, the wild woman charioteer from western Britannia
Chariot: Biga Fortuna
Factio Albata

Titus Licinius Crassus
Chariot: Orionis Draco
Driver: Equus Magnus
Factio: Veneta

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
driver: Gustavus Barbarus
chariot: Proeliator
factio: Russata (red)

Tiberius Annaeus Otho
driver: (has changed!!!!!!!!) Tigris Niger Volans
(he comes from the regions close to Babylon and brought
a new set of horses with him. All are black and marvelous,
perfect Arab thoroughbreds!!!!! He even has matching spare horses!!!
chariot: Basilea
Factio: Praesina (green)

Roscia Annaea Pia
driver: Felix Fortunatus
chariot: Fortuna
Factio: Blue

Pomponia Fabia Vera Attica
driver: Malchus
chariot: Stella Iudaeae
Factio: Praesina

Gnaeus Octavius Noricus
driver: Concordius
chariot: Impactus Infrenatus
Factio: Blue

Lucius Quintius Constantius
Driver: Polycrates
Chariot: Confluat
Factio: Praesina

Livia Cornelia Hibernia
Driver: Apollonius
Chariot: Radius Solaris (Sunbeam)
Factio: Praesina (Green)

Marcus Octavius Germanicus
driver: Carolus Daemonicus
chariot : B.S.D. Liber
factio: white

Lucius Arminius Metellus
driver: Aegeus
chariot: Metella Maxima
factio: red

Placidia Prisca
Driver: Londinius Ferox
Chariot: Fulgur
Factio: White
----------------------------------

See you soon for the start-grids and other news.

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15770 From: L. Didius Geminus Sceptius Date: 2003-10-12
Subject: New law: LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTAS TRIBUNICIA
Salvete omnes

Citizens, I come to this Forum to present you all a new law, the LEX
DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTAS TRIBUNICIA. This law has been presented to
the Plebs on the Comitia Plebis Tributa List and to the Tribunes last
week, and this redaction is, finally, the one I will present for its
voting.

First of all, I would like to remark that is not a law presented with
the purpose of re-elect me on any other office. I won't run for any
this year because I'm so busy with my studies that I wouldn't achieve
a correct performance in any office. So I hope this explanation will
put aside any possible accusation of Demagogic. :-)

Secondly, this is a law for helping Tribunus Plebis on their job. I
just followed the Constitutio and History, and of course to uphold
our laws. I try to make clearer and stronger the performance of the
Tribunes, a very important office in our community.

Finally, I have recovered the original idea of Potestas (Sacro Sancti
and Coercendi) set in Antiquity for the Tribunus Plebis, because the
use of their Prerogatives had to be defended.

This law looks for a sensible way to work as Tribunus Plebis. Being
so important this office in our Res Publica, I think a specific law
like this one had to be done.

I wish to thanks all those who helped me on the redaction of the law,
specially G. Iulius Scaurus, who re-builded this law in formal
english and made a portion of it. :-)

vale bene,

L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
TRIBUNUS PLEBIS


*********************************************
** LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTAS TRIBUNICIA **
*********************************************

PREAMBLE

This law provides additional procedures for the implementation of the
powers granted to the office of Tribunus Plebis by Constitution, and
amplifying the procedures of the Lex Labiena de Intercessione, which
shall remain in effect insofar as it does not contradict this lex.
This lex attempts to introduce elements of the ancient Lex Sacrata
and Lex Publilia Voleronis to Nova Roma's reconstruction of the
Tribunate.


I. IUS AGENDA CUM SENATUS
(Concerning Calling the Senate.)

Any Tribunus Plebis may call the Senate to order as set in the
Constitutio, article IV. VII.D.I and therefore follow the rules
governing internal procedures of the Senatus as article V.F of the
Constitution set.


II. IUS AUXILII LATIO
(Concerning Defending the Res Publica and the Citizenship.)

A. Since the Ius Auxilii Ferendi is a fundamental prerogative of a
Tribunus Plebis as set in IV.VII.A of our Constitutio, the following
procedure must be followed for an act of intercessio to be valid.

1. When a Tribunus Plebis issues an intercessio, it must include the
following elements:

a. The official name(s) of the citizen(s) who has requested the
Tribunus Plebis to issue the intercessio, or the official name(s) of
the citizen(s) on whose behalf the Tribunus has provided auxilium.

b. The official name and office of the magistrate(s) against whose act
(s) or acts the intercessio or auxilium has been interposed.

c. The article(s) of the Constitution or the leges violated by the
magistrate's act(s).

2. If the intecessio of a Tribunus Plebis does not include these
three elements, the intercessio shall be invalid. The time
constraints of the Lex Labiena de Intercessione shall continue to
hold such that, if a new intercessio is not issued before the seventy-
two hour limit, counted from the act(s) which occasioned the original
intercessio, the Tribunus Plebis shall issue no new intercessio
pertaining to that act(s).

3. When a Tribunus Plebis issues an intercessio against the act(s) of
another Tribunus Plebis, it must include the following elements:

a. The official name and office of the Tribuni Plebis against whose
act(s) that intercessio is interposed.

b. The article(s) of the Constitution or the leges violated by the
Tribunus Plebis' act(s).

4. If the intecessio of a Tribunus Plebis does not include these two
elements, the intercessio shall be invalid. The time constraints of
the Lex Labiena de Intercessione shall continue to hold such that, if
a new intercessio is not issued before the seventy-two hour limit,
counted from the act(s) which occasioned the original intercessio,
the Tribunus Plebis shall issue no new intercessio pertaining to that
act(s).

5. When a Tribunus Plebis shall issue an intercessio or provide
auxilium, the procedures for ratification or voiding by the other
Tribuni Plebis specified in the Lex Labiena de Intercessione shall be
followed. There shall be no requirement that a Tribunus Plebis issue
any statement on the matter at hand except agreement or disagreement
with the original intercessio/auxilium.

B. When administering the law in accordance with Article IV.A.7.d.iii
of the Constitution, a Tribunus Plebis must adjudicate in accordance
with current law and the iurisprudentia established by the Praetore
and serve the interests of the Plebs and the citizens of Nova Roma.

C. Resolving Disputes Among the Plebs.

A Tribunus Plebis shall arbitrate disputes between plebian citizens
if the parties involved so agree. If any party shall refuse to agree
to such arbitration, the Tribunus Plebis shall refer the matter to
the Praetor for adjudication under the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria. If the
parties agree to arbitration by a Tribunus Plebis, they shall accept
the decision of the Tribunus and may not seek further relief under
the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria.The Tribunus Plebis who shall arbitrate
the dispute will be chosen by an agreement of the parties. If there
is no agreement, the oldest Tribunus Plebis will arbitrate the
dispute.


III. TRIBUNICIA POTESTAS.
(Concerning the Defence of the Tribunus Plebis)

The office of Tribunus Plebis is sacred in the Republic and endowed
on this account with the following powers:

A. Summa Coercendi Potestas.

Any citizen or magistrate who interferes with the official action(s)
of a Tribunus Plebis activity shall be fined by that Tribunus with a
multa pecuniaria of no more than thirty U.S. dollars ($30.00), paid
to the treasury of Nova Roma and devoted to Ceres. Such a penalty
cannot be suspended or revoked except by intercessio of another
Tribunus Plebis, or Praetorial appraisal which should permit the
fined citizen have further recourse at law under the Lex Salicia
Iudiciaria. The right of provocatio will be respected as Article
II.B.5 of the constitution states.


B. Potestas Sacrosancta.

Any citizen or magistrate who shall do violence to a Tribunus Plebis
in the course of his official duties or refuse to abide by a legal
exercise of intercessio shall be brought before the Praetores and
judged in accordance with the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria. The severity of
the poena shall be determined in the Praetor's formula in accordance
with the severity of the offence. The trial for this offence should
be completed within sixty days of submission of the petitio actionis
to the Praetor by the Tribunus Plebis, respecting Praetor's use of
his discretion on dates. Completion of the term of office of the
actor Tribunus Plebis shall not affect trial for an offence for which
petitio actionis has been filed prior to the completion of that
Tribunus Plebis' term.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15771 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-12
Subject: Re: Citizenship Ring
Salve

you are right I am trying to find something for the Romans of the 28th century

Vale

Tiberius
----- Original Message -----
From: gkbagne
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 8:57 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Citizenship Ring


From Aula Decia Lepella to Tiberius Galerius Pulinus, Salvette!

This ring design doesn't resemble any Roman rings I've ever seen.
I think I'd prefer something more classical. However, I wish to thank-
you for your effort on the citizen ring idea.

Be Well!



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:
> Salve Romans
>
> I have uploaded a picture of a ring onto the Yahoo group site for
NR.
>
> Please take a look and tell me if you like this as the design of a
citizenship ring.
>
> The "1999" would be replaced with SPQR and the LVHS would be
replaced with NOVA down one side and ROMA down the other.
>
> So what do you think?
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15772 From: raymond fuentes Date: 2003-10-12
Subject: Re: Citizenship Ring
Splendid design and idea...I am in, I have been waiting for this...

Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:Salve Romans

I have uploaded a picture of a ring onto the Yahoo group site for NR.

Please take a look and tell me if you like this as the design of a citizenship ring.

The "1999" would be replaced with SPQR and the LVHS would be replaced with NOVA down one side and ROMA down the other.

So what do you think?


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15773 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-12
Subject: Romans in Scotland
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites/

Here's a link to "Romans in Scotland":

http://www.hunterian.gla.ac.uk/museum/romans/romans.html

This site, created by Dr. Lawrence Keppie, provides a QT video of an
exhibition of Roman artifacts from the first and second centuries CE
with a special emphasis on the Antonine Wall and its garrisons.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15774 From: Marcus Rubellius Felix Date: 2003-10-12
Subject: Check out this site if you are interested in......
Salvate!
Check out this site if you are interested in ancient style Jewelry!
http://www.minormasterpieces.com/home.htlm
best regards Marcus Rubellius Felix!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15775 From: Bryan Griffin Junior Date: 2003-10-12
Subject: Photo Page
Salve Omes!

I love the pictures of the Minerva statue. Were those actually taken
in Rome? If so, where in Rome were the pictures taken? I will be
going to Rome some time next time. I look forward to hearing your
response.

Valete,

BGJR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15776 From: Lucius Cassius Pontonius Date: 2003-10-12
Subject: Re: Allow me to introduce myself...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Diana Moravia Aventina" <diana@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Allow me to introduce myself...


> From: "Michael Ponte: The Love Machine" <superponte@...>
> > I am Lucius Cassius Pontonius, one of the newer members of this fine
> congregation of individuals known as Nova Roma. I hope that our
association
> is benefitial to us all, and that we have great times together.
>
> Salve L Cassius,
>
> Congratulations on entering an excellent Gens. And on seeing your name and
> email address, I just *have* to ask: are you really a Love Machine and the
> SuperPonte? :-))) Specific refereences to your Love Tool are *not*
> appropriate on this NR mainlist but feel to give us all the dirty details
at
> BackAlley-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Vale,
> Diana Moravia


LOL!

I had better clear that up hehe. My given name is Michael Ponte- hence
Superponte- an online nickname. I am a performing musician (Trumpeter) One
of the names I adopted while playing was "The Love Machine" This is the
origin of the name- not a specific reference to any anatomical region ;) I
have started using a new mail for NR which should fit better.

I am very proud to be a member of Gens Cassia. I look forward to getting to
know all of you as time goes on...and do I want to know what goes on in this
"Back Alley" Group you reccomended ;)

Lucius Cassius Pontonius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15777 From: J Auger Date: 2003-10-13
Subject: Re: Allow me to introduce myself...
Salve,
My name is Gallus Cassius Augurius, and I am also new to Nova Roma. I just wanted to introduce myself. I am thrilled to have been granted citizenship and look forward to participating in Roman society.
Vale,
Gallus Cassius Augurius




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15778 From: Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2003-10-13
Subject: O.T.: Travel to Rome in 2757AUC
Avete Omnes.
I am planning a trip to Rome to celebrate its birthday on April 21st of next
year.
I have a question for our citizens who are familiar with the Mother Country
(Italia).
Do the trains and busses run on the First of May (Labor day)?

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15779 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-10-13
Subject: Re: New law: LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTAS TRIBUNICIA
A. Apollonius Cordus to Tribune L. Didius Geminus
Sceptius and all citizens and peregrines, greetings.

I hope you're well; I'm well.

As you know from our private discussions about this
law, I think it's an excellent one and I support it.
Bravo to you and your assistant for your hard work on
it, and I hope it will find general support.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15780 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-10-13
Subject: The father of Lucretius?
A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
greetings.

I wonder if anyone can help me with a rather obscure
question. I read somewhere the suggestion that the
poet T. Lucretius Carus (author of De Rerum Natura)
may have been the son of a certain Lucretius who was
executed by Sulla.

This was in a fairly old book, so I'm trying to find
out whether anyone has been able to disprove the idea
or produce any evidence to support it. Does anyone
know of any scholarly work or primary evidence that
might help?

Many thanks.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15781 From: L. Didius Geminus Sceptius Date: 2003-10-13
Subject: Re: New law: LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTAS TRIBUNICIA
Salve, amice

Thank you very much. Our discussions has been quite rich, and I feel
now the law is almost complete. I wish all citizenry to read it and
think about. I'd like to make the Contio next week, so please discuss
about it the whole week. :-)

Once more, thanks for your support, Cordus. I feel quite well and I
wish the same to you. And of course to all those who supported me and
adviced me so wisely in the CPT list and Tribunus List.

vale bene,

L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
TRIBVNVS·PLEBIS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"
<a_apollonius_cordus@y...> wrote:
> A. Apollonius Cordus to Tribune L. Didius Geminus
> Sceptius and all citizens and peregrines, greetings.
>
> I hope you're well; I'm well.
>
> As you know from our private discussions about this
> law, I think it's an excellent one and I support it.
> Bravo to you and your assistant for your hard work on
> it, and I hope it will find general support.
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15782 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-10-13
Subject: Re: O.T.: Travel to Rome in 2757AUC
Salve Ahenobarbus,

> I am planning a trip to Rome to celebrate its birthday on April
21st of next
> year.
> I have a question for our citizens who are familiar with the Mother
Country
> (Italia).
> Do the trains and busses run on the First of May (Labor day)?

Yes, they run but maybe they will full of travellers. It's an holiday
and many people come back at home travelling from and to rome. I
suggest you to make an early resevation if you want to go out Rome or
you have to come in teh Urbe.
The urban busses and metro will run.

It will a pleasure for us to welcome you in our land and usually many
nova romans are in Rome during the birthday of Rome. I think we all
will be happy to meet you.

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15783 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-13
Subject: The Gladiator
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Valete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "The Gladiator":

http://abacus.bates.edu/~mimber/Rciv/gladiator.htm

This site, prepared for a course on Roman Civilisation, provides an
excellent overview of the history and role of munera in Roman life, as
well as valuable links to primary source materials.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15784 From: Bryan Griffin Junior Date: 2003-10-13
Subject: Give me a Roman name
Salve, Amiculus!

I'm new to the Nova Roma group. Since everybody has a Roman name
here, I might as well ask to have one given to me. I vaguely
remember reading somewhere on the Internet (it was a long time ago)
that there is a Roman name for "BRYAN". Is there anyone who can
verify that for me? That would be a good start.

Here is a little info about me at this website:

http://profiles.yahoo.com/griffinator3661

I'm a college student who will be graduating this coming Spring. I
also know some Latin. I'm taking it as a foreign language
requirement for my English degree. For the time being, it is just a
bachelor's degree. I'm hoping to write for a newspaper or a magazine
in the very near future.

I'm hoping to swap e-mails with someone soon, possibly a pen pal.
So, don't be shy -- drop me a line; maybe we'll chat some time. BTW,
I write poetry on some long autumn days.

Take it easy. Hope to hear from someone soon.

Valete,

BGJR

Fortes fortuna adiuvat
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15785 From: Christopher L. Wood Date: 2003-10-14
Subject: Re: Citizenship Ring
That's a beautiful ring, Galerius. Just for fun I uploaded a picture of
the silver ring I made myself and have worn for the past 15 years. It is
based on a bronze ring from the last century of the Republican era.

Ti. Ambrosius Silvus

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From: raymond fuentes [mailto:praefectus2324@...]
Sent: Sunday, 12 October, 2003 20:26
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Citizenship Ring


Splendid design and idea...I am in, I have been waiting for this...

Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:Salve Romans

I have uploaded a picture of a ring onto the Yahoo group site for NR.

Please take a look and tell me if you like this as the design of a
citizenship ring.

The "1999" would be replaced with SPQR and the LVHS would be replaced
with NOVA down one side and ROMA down the other.

So what do you think?


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15786 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-14
Subject: Important! LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTAS TRIBUNICIA
Salvete all,

First my congratulations to L Didius Geminus Sceptius for his hard work. We
have been discussing his proposal on the Tribunes list and
he knows which parts of this lex I like and which parts I don't :-p If the
auspices are favorable, we'll be calling the contio in the CPT
sometime around Oct 22 to discuss and then vote on 3 lexes proposed by the
Tribunes. The new proposals should be posted here today or tomorrow at the
latest.

My biggest problem with this lex is the wording of 1.a.

<1. When a Tribunus Plebis issues an intercessio, it must include the
<following elements:

<a. The official name(s) of the citizen(s) who has requested the
<Tribunus Plebis to issue the intercessio, or the official name(s) of
<the citizen(s) on whose behalf the Tribunus has provided auxilium.

As written, I find that item I.a. would limit the powers of the Tribune to
only being able to veto at the request of a citizen or for a specific
citizen. Sceptius means
this to include that the Tribune can pronounce intercessio on behalf of no
specific citizen but for the populace in general. My problem is that I don't
think it reads that way. What does everyone else think? This is important!!
To me as written this will severely limit the powers of the Tribunes which
the Constitution grants us. My answer to this was to write the word 'if' in
front of the sentence. a. If the Tribune is pronouncing intercession at the
official request of a citizen(s), when issuing the intercessio the Tribunus
Plebis must include the official name(s) of the citizen(s) on whose behalf
he/she has provided auxilium.

<I wish to thanks all those who helped me on the redaction of the law,
specially G. Iulius Scaurus, who re-builded this law in formal
<english and made a portion of it. :-)

I wonder at the correctness of a Patrician writing laws for the Tribunes.
And once again there is mention of penalties and punishments, just like the
Lex Salicia Pompoenia which if I am not mistaken, G Iulius also helped to
write. It seems that we are in a 'punishment trend' in Nova Roma with too
many lexes being written to support cry babies who aren't strong enough to
stand up for themselves and need to run to court if a fellow citizen says a
nasty word to them. In reality it is a very very rare occasion indeed that
any citizen acts so horribly that we even need to have a punishment system
in place. Yeah yeah I know these laws are all for the future, but maybe
these punishment laws will just scare prospective citizens away and our
future be that much less positive as a result...

Vale
Diana Moravia
Tribunus Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15787 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-14
Subject: Re: Give me a Roman name
Salve Bryan,

According to babynames.com Bryan means 'strong one' and is Celtic/Gaelic in
origin.I have also read that Bryan means 'brave'.

According to http://www.behindthename.com Brian (with an i) is Irish-English
and means the following: "high, noble".

So maybe you could use the Latin for stong, brave, or noble when picking
your Roman name. Look at the Roman names section of our website for
inspiration http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/names.html

Vale,
Diana Moravia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15788 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-14
Subject: Re: Give me a Roman name
Why not: Manlius ´Gens´ Torquatus Atrox?




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Bryan Griffin Junior"
<griffinator01@w...> wrote:
> Salve, Amiculus!
>
> I'm new to the Nova Roma group. Since everybody has a Roman name
> here, I might as well ask to have one given to me. I vaguely
> remember reading somewhere on the Internet (it was a long time ago)
> that there is a Roman name for "BRYAN". Is there anyone who can
> verify that for me? That would be a good start.
>
> Here is a little info about me at this website:
>
> http://profiles.yahoo.com/griffinator3661
>
> I'm a college student who will be graduating this coming Spring. I
> also know some Latin. I'm taking it as a foreign language
> requirement for my English degree. For the time being, it is just
a
> bachelor's degree. I'm hoping to write for a newspaper or a
magazine
> in the very near future.
>
> I'm hoping to swap e-mails with someone soon, possibly a pen pal.
> So, don't be shy -- drop me a line; maybe we'll chat some time.
BTW,
> I write poetry on some long autumn days.
>
> Take it easy. Hope to hear from someone soon.
>
> Valete,
>
> BGJR
>
> Fortes fortuna adiuvat
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15789 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-14
Subject: Re: Important! LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTAS TRIBUNICIA
Salvete,

Bring as many legislation proposals as possible is the noblest thing
the Tribunes do to strengten the Res Publica. I´m very glad some law
is being proposed.

L. Arminius Faustus
Plebeian Aedile


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia Aventina"
<diana@p...> wrote:
> Salvete all,
>
> First my congratulations to L Didius Geminus Sceptius for his hard
work. We
> have been discussing his proposal on the Tribunes list and
> he knows which parts of this lex I like and which parts I don't :-
p If the
> auspices are favorable, we'll be calling the contio in the CPT
> sometime around Oct 22 to discuss and then vote on 3 lexes proposed
by the
> Tribunes. The new proposals should be posted here today or tomorrow
at the
> latest.
>
> My biggest problem with this lex is the wording of 1.a.
>
> <1. When a Tribunus Plebis issues an intercessio, it must include
the
> <following elements:
>
> <a. The official name(s) of the citizen(s) who has requested the
> <Tribunus Plebis to issue the intercessio, or the official name(s)
of
> <the citizen(s) on whose behalf the Tribunus has provided auxilium.
>
> As written, I find that item I.a. would limit the powers of the
Tribune to
> only being able to veto at the request of a citizen or for a
specific
> citizen. Sceptius means
> this to include that the Tribune can pronounce intercessio on
behalf of no
> specific citizen but for the populace in general. My problem is
that I don't
> think it reads that way. What does everyone else think? This is
important!!
> To me as written this will severely limit the powers of the
Tribunes which
> the Constitution grants us. My answer to this was to write the
word 'if' in
> front of the sentence. a. If the Tribune is pronouncing
intercession at the
> official request of a citizen(s), when issuing the intercessio the
Tribunus
> Plebis must include the official name(s) of the citizen(s) on whose
behalf
> he/she has provided auxilium.
>
> <I wish to thanks all those who helped me on the redaction of the
law,
> specially G. Iulius Scaurus, who re-builded this law in formal
> <english and made a portion of it. :-)
>
> I wonder at the correctness of a Patrician writing laws for the
Tribunes.
> And once again there is mention of penalties and punishments, just
like the
> Lex Salicia Pompoenia which if I am not mistaken, G Iulius also
helped to
> write. It seems that we are in a 'punishment trend' in Nova Roma
with too
> many lexes being written to support cry babies who aren't strong
enough to
> stand up for themselves and need to run to court if a fellow
citizen says a
> nasty word to them. In reality it is a very very rare occasion
indeed that
> any citizen acts so horribly that we even need to have a punishment
system
> in place. Yeah yeah I know these laws are all for the future, but
maybe
> these punishment laws will just scare prospective citizens away and
our
> future be that much less positive as a result...
>
> Vale
> Diana Moravia
> Tribunus Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15790 From: sceptia Date: 2003-10-14
Subject: Re: Lex nova (LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA)
Salvete omnes, specialliter tu, Diana.

As my fellow colleague has said, we'll call the Comitia next week. I'm quite
anxious for reading your proposals, Diana, I hope we'll have them here in
this
list as soon as possible. :-)

About the two items my colleague Moravia Aventina has mentioned, I'd like to
make a little review of what is proposed and how or why.

First of all, concerning the requirements, my law says:

"a. The official name(s) of the citizen(s) who has requested the Tribunus
Plebis to issue the intercessio, or the official name(s) of the citizen(s)
on whose behalf the Tribunus has provided auxilium."

It means, just a specific citizen? Not really. It can be, for example,
"Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius" or "The Plebs of Nova Roma" or "The
citizens who live in Provincia Hispania". It is a requirement because always
an intercessio is issued is because some act or acts from any magistrate has
violated the wording and/or spirit of our laws *Against someone/somebody*.

I.e., if a magistrate would make a law that makes compulsory to all citizens
of Hispania to pay a hundred times more taxes than the other citizens, it
would be an act against that people, "the citizens of Hispania." Or if a
magistrate would delete constantly all messages from a singular citizen,
which could go against "freedom of speech", that citizen would be the
subject of that intercessio.
It means the specific citizen must compulsory ask auxilii to the Tribuni?
Not really. That of "[...] on whose behalf [...]" doesn't mean that citizen
must request such auxilii. Tribunus Plebis can use his power but, and this
is the core thing about it all goes, he shall respect the rules of
intercessio and the requirements for letting all the people know *Why* is
he/she issuing such intercessio, I mean, to have guarantees. And as in
ancient Rome, this means "to leave the Tribunes door open". :-)

Secondly, my colleague Moravia Aventina has said: "I wonder at the
correctness of a Patrician writing laws for the Tribunes." I must refute
such statement. My law was written in quite bad english (That is true,
obviously :-)) and before asking help to G. Iulius Scaurus, I showed it to
my friend Ia. Minicius Sparsus and some people in my Province who nominated
me as Chief of the Spanglish Academy. :-)

That of course was something that encouraged me to find a native english
speaker and, plus ultra, a great man who knows a lot about our ancestors
history (And more). His name is G. Iulius Scaurus, and he helped me in the
formal english, the historical accuracy and some constitutional ideas. I
asked him to be my assistant and he revealed to me that he was Patrician...
Horreur! A patrician helping me! And so well... :-)

So I please ask the citizenry to think about. This is not a "Patrician" law
but a law written with many people's help. Apollonius Cordus, Favia
Scholastica, Minicius Sparsus... And if any other citizen has some good idea
this week, I'll sum up. This is my purpose, to make richer this law. :-)

On the other hand, colleague Moravia Aventina says: "And once again there is
mention of penalties and punishments, just like the Lex Salicia Pompoenia
which if I am not mistaken, G Iulius also helped to write. It seems that we
are in a 'punishment trend' in Nova Roma with too
many lexes being written to support cry babies who aren't strong enough to
stand up for themselves and need to run to court if a fellow citizen says a
nasty word to them.".

Well, is not a law to protect "cry babies" but something much more
important, an office very important in our Res Publicae. Imagine a citizen
sending a virus, or deletting messages or evidences, cutting subscriptions,
all in all to interfere in the prerogatives Tribunii have. I don't cut
freedom for speech, I just try to cut (And my law is more "prudentia" than
"coercendi" searcher) the bad intentions or, if they act, the act itself.
And of course, all the people can call me from "sheep" to "baby" or even a
gross word. I wouldn't use that law for my defence but my (limited limited
english which is not my mather) tongue. :-)

Finally, my colleague Moravia Aventina states: "In reality it is a very very
rare occasion indeed that any citizen acts so horribly that we even need to
have a punishment system in place. Yeah yeah I know these laws are all for
the future, but maybe these punishment laws will just scare prospective
citizens away and our future be that much less positive as a result...".
I would say that it wouldn't happen because if we want to be a strong
community that wants to grow, we must have a serious frame to work. Scare
them? Not really. On the other hand, shall be more attractive to look a
place in which is not amateurism which rules but professional behaviours,
shall not it?. And is just a sensible use of it and a sensible behaviour.
:-)

I hope my poor english would have been not a nightmare and citizenry will
understand my answer. I look, as Arminius Faustus has said, for a stronger
Nova Roma. I hope this lex will help. :-)

vale bene in pace deorum,

L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
TRIBVNVS·PLEBIS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15791 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-14
Subject: Re: Lex nova (LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA)
Salve Sceptius,
It's always a pleasure discussing stuff with you (really!). And I am the
first one to admit that I really have a sore spot anytime anyone mentions
punishments of every kind! It's just me...

I'll send you a proper answer tomorrow along with the loooong promised
proposals! The 'big one' is the electoral proposal that was posted to the
CPT list and which then got eaten by a virus last month and which I had to
redo as a result. That is the one that I expect discussions of :-) The
second one is very simply making it mandatory for a Tribune to post the
Senate's agenda and a few things that the Tribune must include in the
results.

Your English is very nice by the way and is getting better and better each
time you post!

Vale,
Diana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15792 From: eremitesplato Date: 2003-10-14
Subject: Research on Reconstructionism
Dear fellow Reconstructionists,

I am a student of the Applied Linguistics at the University of
Warsaw in Poland and I am preparing to write a doctoral thesis on
the subject: "Revival of ancient religions in the modern
Anglo-American society and its linguistic aspect".
I have set up a questionnaire to be filled in by
Reconstructionists.
Therefore I am trying to get in touch with as many
Reconstructionists in the English-speaking countries as possible.
I would appreciate your visit on the page:
http://www.geocities.com/botev_r/research.html in order to find out
more about the research, to download the
questionnaire, fill it in and send it back to me. :)
If this is not much of a problem, please send this information to
other Reconstructionist.

Regards,

Radoslaw Botev
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15793 From: cassius622@aol.com Date: 2003-10-14
Subject: Re: Citizenship Ring
Salve,

I am very much impressed with the good intent and effort behind the search to
find an appropriate Citizen ring for Nova Roma, and applaud Tiberius Galerius
Paulinus' efforts. :)

I'm afraid my personal opinion is that I would greatly prefer a ring that
"looks" traditional Roman. Jewelry is a symbol, so a symbol that is recognizable
would work best. I would not purchase the style of ring shown. Nor would I
consider owning any other 'neo' ring style.

I don't mean to critisize the idea of projecting a new image for Nova Roma,
but symbols are very important. I truly believe that if we begin to move away
from recognizable Roman styles we will run a risk of losing our basic identity.
The less we identify with traditional Roman styles, the more we reduce our
ties to Roma Aeterna. That, in turn, might severly curtail our public appeal.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Senator








Tiberius Galerius Paulinus writes:

>I have uploaded a picture of a ring onto the Yahoo group site for NR.

>Please take a look and tell me if you like this as the design of a
citizenship
ring.

>The "1999" would be replaced with SPQR and the LVHS would be replaced with
NOVA
down one side and ROMA down the other.

>So what do you think?


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15794 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-15
Subject: Feminae Romanae: The Women of Ancient Rome
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Feminae Romanae: The Women of Ancient Rome":

http://dominae.fws1.com/Index.html

This site, created by Suzanne Cross, provides historical context,
biographies of Roman women by period, a bibliography, and extensive
links.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15795 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-15
Subject: Re: Lex nova (LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA)
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, omnes.

L. Didius Geminus Sceptius has given me far more credit than I deserve
for the small assistance I gave him regarding the Lex de Potestate
Tribunicia. I did not write the law; I made no major revision of the
law. I took a partially Spanish/partially English document and
polished it into formal English. I also answered a handful of
questions which L. Didius Geminus posed to me about Roman history and
law. That was the extent of my participation. I told L. Didius
Deminus at the time that I was a partician and that any assistance I
gave was unofficial and was simply the courtesy I would extend to any
magistrate of any class who asked for my assistance. Other plebeian
magistrates who have sought my aid can testify to my assiduous refusal
to interfere in the affairs of the plebs. Since a patrician guilty of
violating the mos maiorum by interferring in the business of the
Comitia Plebis Tributa was hurled from the Tarpeian Rock in Roma
antiqua, I take the calumny that I have interfered in the business of
the plebs very seriously. I believe I am owed a public apology.

As for the similarities which D. Moravia sees between this lex and the
Lex Salicia Poenalis, there is a simple explanation: both are
historically grounded. The Romans were consistent and had a coherent
jurisprudential theory. They believed that disputes should be
resolved by recourse to the law. Romans did not duel, they did not
adjudicate by omens, they did not try by ordeal. When serious
disagreements arose, they went to court and allowed the law to resolve
the conflict. This was a core principle of the mos maiorum. It was
when this core principle was violated that the Republic began to die.
If we are ever to be more than an internet club of Romanophiles, we
must hew our way of doing things as closely as we can to the mos
maiorum.

There is a certain perverse irony that a partician should support
legal sanctions for violation of the sacrosanctity of tribuni plebis,
a sacrosanctity purchased by the blood of murdered tribuni plebis,
while a tribuna plebis argues that legal sanctions for such a
violation are excessive "punishment."

Oh, and that rattling sound you've been hearing... it's the Brothers
Gracchi spinning in their urns -- some ironies are just too much.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15796 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-15
Subject: Re: Lex nova (LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA
Salve G Iulius,

< I told L. Didius Deminus at the time that I was a partician and that any
assistance I
> gave was unofficial and was simply the courtesy I would extend to any
> magistrate of any class who asked for my assistance.

<Since a patrician guilty of
> violating the mos maiorum by interferring in the business of the
> Comitia Plebis Tributa was hurled from the Tarpeian Rock in Roma
> antiqua, I take the calumny that I have interfered in the business of
> the plebs very seriously. I believe I am owed a public apology.

Yes you're right. Sceptius should apologize to you for making your
unofficial help 'official' by posting it to this main list. But I certainly
won't hurl you from the Tarpeian Rock for helping him. As i've said many
times before, I'm just not into punishments.

Interesting that you used the word 'interfering' which you put in quotes on
the private email you sent to me. That's exactly the term I used to Sceptius
(also in quotes) on the Private (and I thought confidential) Tribune's list
when I commented to Sceptius as a joke that according to his proposal, I
could say that you were 'interfering' with the Tribunes:

<II. A.Magistrate who interferes with the official action(s) of a Tribunus
Plebis activity shall be fined by that Tribunus with a
<multa pecuniaria of no more than thirty U.S. dollars ($30.00), paid to the
treasury of Nova Roma and devoted to Ceres.

DMA Oct 10 "That is much to vague. What is 'interfering'? Is intefering when
a citizen emails us ten times nagging us to issue an intercession? I've
gotten emails
from the Senior Consul asking me not to intercede on certain issues and
telling me why he thinks I shouldn't. Was he interfering? Not at all : he
was giving his opinion which I was/am always happy to hear. BUT if I were a
bitch I could announce to everyone that he was trying to use his power as a
Consul to coerce me into changing my mind. You see what I mean?
'Interfering' is way too vague and if this part stays it MAY prevent other
citizens and magistrates from giving us their opinions. And these opinions
are vital when we need to make a decision on whether or not to issue a veto.

DMA Oct 10 :By the way, I'm not surprised that Scaurus had input--he has his
hands in nearly every new proposal these days. If I were really bitchy I
might say
that he as a Patrician was 'interfering' with the position of the Tribunes
by helping to write a Lex that would limit our powers of intercessio
(joke)."

So.... I am the moderator of the Tribune's list and I *know* that you aren't
subscribed. Well, I guess that the list really isn't a private and
confidential list after all if a Patrician can ask me for a pubic apology on
the main list about something that I said as a joke on the Tribune's list.
(Sceptus, Scaurus, don't bother asking for a public apology for that
comment, when it is me who deserves one.)

GIS:> There is a certain perverse irony that a partician should support
legal sanctions for violation of the sacrosanctity of tribuni plebis,
> a sacrosanctity purchased by the blood of murdered tribuni plebis, while a
tribuna plebis argues that legal sanctions for such a
> violation are excessive "punishment.

LOL! 'Purchased by the blood of murdered tribuni plebis'?? Well.... maybe I
am just naive, but I certainly *doubt* that I will get murdered as a result
of being a Tribunus Plebis of Nova Roma since the knives used here in Nova
Roma are virtual along with the blood. And I daresay: the punishments are
virtual too because in the real world NR laws are worth about the virtual
paper that they are written on.

Vale,
Diana Moravia
Tribunus Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15797 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-15
Subject: Re: Lex nova (LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA
G. Iulkius Scaurus D. Moraviae Aventinae salutem dicit.

Salve, D. Moravia.

> Interesting that you used the word 'interfering' which you put in
quotes on
> the private email you sent to me. That's exactly the term I used to
Sceptius
> (also in quotes) on the Private (and I thought confidential)
Tribune's list
> when I commented to Sceptius as a joke that according to his
proposal, I
> could say that you were 'interfering' with the Tribunes:
>
> <II. A.Magistrate who interferes with the official action(s) of a
Tribunus
> Plebis activity shall be fined by that Tribunus with a
> <multa pecuniaria of no more than thirty U.S. dollars ($30.00), paid
to the
> treasury of Nova Roma and devoted to Ceres.
>
> DMA Oct 10 "That is much to vague. What is 'interfering'? Is
intefering when
> a citizen emails us ten times nagging us to issue an intercession?
I've
> gotten emails
> from the Senior Consul asking me not to intercede on certain issues
and
> telling me why he thinks I shouldn't. Was he interfering? Not at all
: he
> was giving his opinion which I was/am always happy to hear. BUT if I
were a
> bitch I could announce to everyone that he was trying to use his
power as a
> Consul to coerce me into changing my mind. You see what I mean?
> 'Interfering' is way too vague and if this part stays it MAY prevent
other
> citizens and magistrates from giving us their opinions. And these
opinions
> are vital when we need to make a decision on whether or not to issue
a veto.
>
> DMA Oct 10 :By the way, I'm not surprised that Scaurus had input--he
has his
> hands in nearly every new proposal these days. If I were really
bitchy I
> might say
> that he as a Patrician was 'interfering' with the position of the
Tribunes
> by helping to write a Lex that would limit our powers of intercessio
> (joke)."
>
> So.... I am the moderator of the Tribune's list and I *know* that
you aren't
> subscribed. Well, I guess that the list really isn't a private and
> confidential list after all if a Patrician can ask me for a pubic
apology on
> the main list about something that I said as a joke on the Tribune's
list.
> (Sceptus, Scaurus, don't bother asking for a public apology for that
> comment, when it is me who deserves one.)

I have never received a single email from the Tribunes' list or the
plebeian list, nor have I exchanged more than three emails with L.
Didius Geminus Sceptius in my life: two were within the week in which
I did the translation work for him. The last I received three days
ago thanking me for the help and telling me he was putting his lex to
contio. Neither your name nor any comment you made about the lex or
me personally arose in any of those emails. I used the word
"interfere" because it was the clear implication of your posting on
_this list_ that patricians shouldn't be writing laws for plebeians.

Without the slightest evidence except your own paranoid bad conscience
you have now accused me of illegally obtaining information from a
private list. I publicly denounce you as a liar and a slanderer. If
you are so convinced your delusion is fact, sue me.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15798 From: sceptia Date: 2003-10-15
Subject: To G. Iulius Scaurus and D. Movaria Aventina
Salvete, omnes.

I would like to make an public answer and a requitement on the Main List as
far as some words have been said about the writting of my Lex Didia Gemina
de Potestate Tribunicia.

G. Iulius Scaurus said:

"L. Didius Geminus Sceptius has given me far more credit than I deserve for
the small assistance I gave him regarding the Lex de Potestate Tribunicia.
I did not write the law; I made no major revision of the law. I took a
partially Spanish/partially English document and
polished it into formal English. I also answered a handful of
questions which L. Didius Geminus posed to me about Roman history and
law. That was the extent of my participation. I told L. Didius
Deminus at the time that I was a partician and that any assistance I
gave was unofficial and was simply the courtesy I would extend to any
magistrate of any class who asked for my assistance. Other plebeian
magistrates who have sought my aid can testify to my assiduous refusal
to interfere in the affairs of the plebs. Since a patrician guilty of
violating the mos maiorum by interferring in the business of the
Comitia Plebis Tributa was hurled from the Tarpeian Rock in Roma
antiqua, I take the calumny that I have interfered in the business of
the plebs very seriously. I believe I am owed a public apology.

[...]

I have never received a single email from the Tribunes' list or the
plebeian list, nor have I exchanged more than three emails with L.
Didius Geminus Sceptius in my life: two were within the week in which
I did the translation work for him. The last I received three days
ago thanking me for the help and telling me he was putting his lex to
contio. Neither your name nor any comment you made about the lex or
me personally arose in any of those emails.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus"

SCEPTIVS:

I just can support every word said by Scaurus and I ask humbly to my
colleague Moravia Aventina that being her words too far a injustice against
a citizen who (As herself, as some other citizens who have helped me with
this law) deserves a better treatment, she would make a public apology for
her words.

To make a *private* message public as she has done, is quite a violation of
the confidence I gave to her as Senior Tribune and Moderatrix of the
Tribunes List. I don't know what kind of correspondence have been posted
between Moravia Aventina and Iulius Scaurus, but the use of the word
"interference" (Which is in my law and is the best word I found for
definying the core idea of "Summa Coercendi Potestas") is/has been too
common in the debate that believing I had violated that confidence (Which I
think is you, Moravia Aventina, who violated it with the posting of a
*private* message) is quite a nonsense.
I.e, if I would find words like "cry babies" in your mouth and in any other
who would attack my law, should I believe there is a conspiracy? :-)

I feel quite upset for the words used by my colleague Moravia Aventina, and
I ask therefore, humbly to her, humbly to Scaurus, to apologyze to Scaurus
and to him to accept such apologyze. This is not a mature feature to discuss
vague "conspiracy theorys" but the facts. And the fact is, as Scaurus said
in better english above, that all this is about a Lex done by a *Plebeian*
with the help of other citizens in whose behalf I would say that, being
Patrician or Plebeian, they have helped me a lot and deserves better
consideration. Including you, Moravia Aventina, you to yourself.

I humbly apologize for making public the name of those who helped me, and if
any other citizen wish to see his name deleted from such publicity, I'll do
it at the moment. My intention was to thank them for the help given and to
make public their contribution on this law, as far as my motto or slogan
when running for Tribune was "Sapere Aude".

vale bene,

L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
TRIBVNVS·PLEBIS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15799 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-15
Subject: Re: To G. Iulius Scaurus and D. Movaria Aventina
Salvete gentlemen,

<To make a *private* message public as she has done, is quite a violation of
<the confidence I gave to her as Senior Tribune and Moderatrix of the
<Tribunes List.

Nope. I only posted my section of the message and not your responses so I
broke no one's confidentiality but myself. In any case if the fact that G
Iulius Scaurus happened to use the same word 'interfere' even with the same
quotation marks that I used is really just one of those unpleasant
coincidences that sometimes happen, then I humbly apologize to both of you.
Sometimes something looks clearly like 1+1= 2 when 1.0000001 + 1= gives a
close but entirely different answer.

<This is not a mature feature to discuss vague "conspiracy theorys" but the
facts.
Conspiracy is a word I never used nor thought of. These are your words not
mine. I *thought* (incorrectly it seems) simply that you were annoyed with
me (and you were a bit) and so forwarded him my email. Simple as that. Since
I know both of you to be quite honest gentlemen, I accept your explanation
and that is that. Again I apologize, but I believe that anyone else would
have come to the same (incorrect) conclusion as I did.

Vale,
Diana Moravia
Tribunus Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15800 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-15
Subject: Re: Lex nova (LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA
Salve G Iulius,

> Without the slightest evidence except your own paranoid bad conscience
> you have now accused me of illegally obtaining information from a
> private list. I publicly denounce you as a liar and a slanderer. If
> you are so convinced your delusion is fact, sue me.

I've already publicly apologized to you and it is up to you to accept it or
not. But as far as sueing you goes : I practice what I preach and I will not
sue anyone in Nova Roma for speaking his/her mind to me. I believe in my
freedom of speech as well as yours and every other citizen's here. If you
truly believe that I am a slanderer and a liar, then that is unfortunate for
me, but so be it.

Vale,
Diana Moravia
Tribunus Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15801 From: L. Didius Geminus Sceptius Date: 2003-10-15
Subject: Re: To G. Iulius Scaurus and D. Movaria Aventina
Salve, Moravia Aventina

> Salvete gentlemen,

>In any case if the fact that G > Iulius Scaurus happened to use the
same word 'interfere' even with the same > quotation marks that I
used is really just one of those unpleasant > coincidences that
sometimes happen, then I humbly apologize to both of you.

SCEPTIVS: I gladly accept your apologize, because is much better a
dicussion than a quarrel. :-)

> Sometimes something looks clearly like 1+1= 2 when 1.0000001 + 1=
gives a > close but entirely different answer.

SCEPTIVS: In all countries that use of a Constitution, there is a
fundamental right called "Innocence presumption". I felt upset for
this right was forgotten. Not everything looks so clear, Moravia
Aventina. Facts must be checked before accussing. The fact now is, I
hope so, that every citizen shall know clearly that this is a
*Plebeian* law written with the help of some citizens, nonetheless
their condition.

> <This is not a mature feature to discuss vague "conspiracy theorys"
but the> facts.

> Conspiracy is a word I never used nor thought of. These are your
words not> mine. I *thought* (incorrectly it seems) simply that you
were annoyed with> me (and you were a bit) and so forwarded him my
email. Simple as that. Since> I know both of you to be quite honest
gentlemen, I accept your explanation> and that is that. Again I
apologize, but I believe that anyone else would> have come to the
same (incorrect) conclusion as I did.

SCEPTIVS: I felt bothered for those words, Moravia Aventina,
basically because to the author of some work it is unpleasant to be
seen as "the strawman" (On my own words, that was my feeling) of that
work. I knew nothing of your mailing with Scaurus, which was for me
unrelevant on the progress of this law until your message bothered
both Scaurus and me.

Anyone else could have come to the same incorrect conclusion, Moravia
Aventina, but before making it public, I say once more that it would
be a mature feature to discuss facts and not vague conclusions with
no facts to support them.

I accept your apologize, and hope then that now the law can be
discussed on its own articulated. :-)

vale bene in pace deorum,

L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
TRIBVNVS·PLEBIS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15802 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-10-15
Subject: Re: Important! LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTAS TRIBUNICIA
A. Apollonius Cordus to Tribune Diana Moravia Aventina
and all citizens and peregrines, greetings.

I hope you're well; I'm fine.

I wonder whether I might suggest a way out of the
problem you highlight in the wording of this proposal:

> <a. The official name(s) of the citizen(s) who has
> requested the
> <Tribunus Plebis to issue the intercessio, or the
> official name(s) of
> <the citizen(s) on whose behalf the Tribunus has
> provided auxilium.

It strikes me that a Tribune is himself or herself a
citizen, and is therefore perfectly capable of
requesting a veto of himself or herself. The veto
would then say 'I pronounce this intercessio at the
request of myself'. A little convoluted, perhaps, but
within the wording of the law.

Alternatively, a Tribune might ask his or her
colleagues to make such a request, they also being
citizens. Since the veto will fail unless a majority
of them support it anyway, this shouldn't be too hard.

> And once again there is mention of penalties and
> punishments, just like the
> Lex Salicia Pompoenia which if I am not mistaken, G
> Iulius also helped to
> write.

Pompoenia? This sounds like it's meant as a pun, but
I'm afraid it's lost on me. :)

Without getting into a debate on whether penalties are
good or bad, I think it's good that this law
establishes the inviolability of the Tribune's person,
since this is an important historical feature which is
currently unmentioned in any of our laws. And if we
agree that that's a desirable thng to establish, it's
hard to see how else to do it but to state that
violation of a Tribune's person is a specific crime;
and if one goes so far, it's only logical to set a
penalty. The penalty seems to me a small price to pay
for the main point, which is the inviolability, and
hopefully, as you say, the penalty itself will not be
needed.

Incidentally, I have to say I think the *main*
consequence of physically attacking a Tribune ought in
any case to be a severe nota from the Censors and a
charge of impiety, because after all attacking a
Tribune is above anything else a religious crime. But
that's rather beside the point, I suppose... :)

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15803 From: politicog Date: 2003-10-15
Subject: Re: Lex nova (LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA)
--- sceptia <sceptia@...> wrote:
>> First of all, concerning the requirements, my law
> says:
>
> "a. The official name(s) of the citizen(s) who has
> requested the Tribunus
> Plebis to issue the intercessio, or the official
> name(s) of the citizen(s)
> on whose behalf the Tribunus has provided auxilium."
>
> It means, just a specific citizen? Not really. It
> can be, for example,
> "Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius" or "The Plebs of
> Nova Roma" or "The
> citizens who live in Provincia Hispania". It is a
> requirement because always
> an intercessio is issued is because some act or acts
> from any magistrate has
> violated the wording and/or spirit of our laws
> *Against someone/somebody*.
>
> I.e., if a magistrate would make a law that makes
> compulsory to all citizens
> of Hispania to pay a hundred times more taxes than
> the other citizens, it
> would be an act against that people, "the citizens
> of Hispania." Or if a
> magistrate would delete constantly all messages from
> a singular citizen,
> which could go against "freedom of speech", that
> citizen would be the
> subject of that intercessio.
> It means the specific citizen must compulsory ask
> auxilii to the Tribuni?
> Not really. That of "[...] on whose behalf [...]"
> doesn't mean that citizen
> must request such auxilii. Tribunus Plebis can use
> his power but, and this
> is the core thing about it all goes, he shall
> respect the rules of
> intercessio and the requirements for letting all the
> people know *Why* is
> he/she issuing such intercessio, I mean, to have
> guarantees. And as in
> ancient Rome, this means "to leave the Tribunes door
> open". :-)
>
>


What about a case when a pleb requests intercessio but
wishes to remain anonymous to the rest of the
populace. (S)he could send a private e-mail and ask
for intercessio but request confidentiality of who
requested the intercessio/auxilium. Is this no longer
a possibility if this law passes?

Lucius Quintius Constantius

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15804 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2003-10-15
Subject: Re: Lex nova (LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA)
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, politicog <politicog@y...> wrote:

>
> What about a case when a pleb requests intercessio but
> wishes to remain anonymous to the rest of the
> populace. (S)he could send a private e-mail and ask
> for intercessio but request confidentiality of who
> requested the intercessio/auxilium. Is this no longer
> a possibility if this law passes?
>
> Lucius Quintius Constantius

Salve,

Since I can never run for Tribune what I'd do in that situation is a
moot point, but I can only guess at what I'd likely do if in that
situation. If I believed that a request for intercessio against a
proposed Lex or Edicta was based on a valid point of Constitutional
Law and the person wished to remain anonymous, I'd issue the
intercessio against the Lex or Edicta that violated the NR
Constitution in my own name. I'm going to presume that our current
Tribunes and the ones in the future would likely do the same, but what
they would really do in that situation is only speculation on my part.

As for auxilium, that is an entirely different story as that would be
to impose an intercessio to prevent an action against a specific
person. Thus, it would be almost completely impossible to have the
petitioner remain anonymous in the case of auxilium.

I hope that helps somewhat.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15805 From: Lucius Equitius Date: 2003-10-15
Subject: Equus October
Ex Domo Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Omnibus SPD

Idus October
The Ides of October
This day (NP), is for special religious observance.
This day was sacred to Jupiter and bridged the festivals of the Meditranalia and the Armilustrium. Sacrifices made today at the temples would lead to feasting in the streets to which the public and the poor were all invited. The celebrations would consist of games, music, dance and much drinking of wine. Horse races were held today in special honor of Jupiter, and in the two-horse chariot race on the Campus Martius the right side horse of the winning chariot was sacrificed to Mars. In a curious ceremony, a mock fight was staged over the head of the horse by the people on the Palatine and those on the Esquiline, with the winner hanging it on their respective tower.


15 October ID OCT. NP
Feriae Iove (Arv.)
(Equus October)

The entry of the feast of Jupiter, to who, all the Ides were sacred, has crowded out any reference to the 'October horse' which is given only in the late Calendar of Philocalus as 'Equus ad Nixas fit' (the Ciconiae Nixae were post-Republican).
n 15 October a two horse chariot-race took place in the Campus Martius and the right-hand horse of the victorious pair was sacrificed by the flamen Martialis on the altar to Mars in the Campus: according to Timaeus it was a war horse and was killed with a spear. The horse's head was cut off and decorated with cakes. The inhabitants of the Via Sacra then fought with those of the Suburra for possession of this grisly trophy; the winner, if the former then nailed it to the Turris Mamilia. Meanwhile, the horse's tail, cauda, or genitals, still dripping with blood was allowed to fall on the sacred hearth. The Vestal Virgins probably kept some congealed blood for use at the Parilia on 21 April (p, 105).
The original meaning of the rite has been much disputed: some believe in an agricultural genesis, others emphasize the military aspect. The former regard it as the last of a series of harvest festivals and believe that the horse represented a Corn-spirit. This view derives some support from Festus' statement, id sacrificium fiabat ob frgum eventum ('that sacrifice was made for the success of the crops'), but it is rejected by those who see in it a sacrifice to Mars connected with the purifications of the army on its return from the summer campaign and linked with the Armilustrium on 19 October. Of course an element of the truth might reside in both views: what was first an agricultural rite could have developed into a military one, with a war-horse substituted for a farm-horse, especially if Mars himself started his divine career as an agricultural deity. However that may be, the military aspect prevailed and by the later Republic the October horse was regarded as a cleansing of the army: both Timaeus and Polybius set it in a military context (Polybius deriding Timaeus for linking it with the Trojan horse!). note 256
It may be that the struggle between the two factions had lapsed by the first century BC, but the rest of the ritual apparently continued, and Caesar may have had it in mind when in 44BC he handed over two mutinous soldiers to the pontiffs and the flamen Martialis who killed them in the campus Martius and had their heads fixed on the Regia. note 157
(Ludi Capitolini)

The Capitaline Games are not recorded in the because they were not public Games but were given by a College of the Capitolini. This group of men were still active in the time of Cicero who in 56 BC wrote to his brother, telling him how they had expelled an unworthy member, an Eques named M. Furius Flaccus.The origin of the games is uncertain, but was probably ancient since it was attributed to Romulus or to Camillus who had founded them to celebrate either the saving of the Capital from the Gauls (Livy) or the conquest of Veii (Plutarch and Festus). The former perhaps derives from an attempt to explain the College of Capitolini, while the latter may be linked with a curious custom recorded by Plutarch: at these Games a proclamation was made that 'Sardians are for sale' and an old man, wearing a child's bulla round his neck, was led about in mockery; Plutarch identified this old man with the defeated king of Veii who was sold by auction along with other prisoners. Plutarch then explains that the Sardians were really Etruscans from Veii who had originally come from Sardis in Lydia. This explanation should be rejected since the Sardians must be Sardinans, but it is perhaps not necessary to follow Latte in arguing that since the Romans captured Sardinia only in 238 BC, the Capitoline Games must have been later than that. Sardi venales (Sardinians for sale), became proverbial, but its connection with the Games remains obscure. note 258
If the Games in fact go back to pre-Republican times, they must have been held in honour of Jupiter Feretrius not Jupiter Optimus Maximus whose temple was dedicated only at the beginning of the Republic. Thus whereas Livy who attributed them to Camillus naturally names Jupiter Optimus Maximus, Terulllian and apparently Ennius, who believed in an earlier origin, refer them to Jupiter Feretrius; Tertullian calls them the Tarpeian Games, but says that Piso called them the Capitoline. The temple of Jupiter Feretrius, which was the oldest in Rome and was small, was traditionally built by Romulus to commemorate his winning the spolia opima, and it was here that those trophies which were won only twice in historical times (in 428 and 222 BC), were kept. It contained no statue of the god, but only a scepter and flint, The derivation of Feretrius is probably from ferre, 'to carry', rather than from ferire, 'to strike', both explanations being offered by the sources. If the former, it will refer to the carrying of weapons into the temple for dedication; if the latter, to the striking of agreements. The silex flint, originally probably a meteoric stone, was used by the Fetial priest in the ritual of treaty-making. The worship of Jupiter as a god of war is unusual, and is presumably due to the central position he had gained in seventh-century Rome, the time when the temple was probably dedicated. note 259
To return to the Games themselves, little is known beyond the story of the old man and the reference by a Scholiast on Virgil to Ennius' Annals which, he says, told how Romulus built a temple to Jupiter Feretrius and had greased hides spread out and held Games so that men fought with gauntlets (caestibus) and competed in running (cursu): the competitors were, in Ennius' line, 'rubbed down with oil, made supple and ready for taking arms' (conque fricati oleo lentati adque arma parati). note 260

From 'Festivals and Ceremonies of the Roman Republic' by HH Scullard

Mars nos protegis
Valete, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur flamen Martialis

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15806 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-15
Subject: Re: Lex nova (LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA
G. Iulius Scaurus D. Moraviae Aventinae salutem dicit.

Salve, D. Moravia.

I completely and unreservedly accept your apology and proffer an
apology of my own for my heated response to your posting. Thanks to a
storm blowing a huge old tree into the telephone switching box at the
head of my street, I am currently without phone service until the city
cuts the damned thing up and SWB fixes the lines. That means that I
cannot access by dial-up ISP and can only infrequently check the list
from another computer. It is for this reason that my acceptance of
your apology was delayed, not any reservation about it whatsoever.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15807 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-15
Subject: The 'Palace' of Diocletian at Split
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "The 'Palace' of Diocletian at Split":

http://archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/SDG/Experimental/split/split1.html

This site, created by Michael Greenhalgh (Dept, of Art
History,Australian National University), provides a detailed tour with
excellent photographs of the palace complex which Diocletian built for
his retirement.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15808 From: Jason Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Re: Citizenship Ring
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, cassius622@a... wrote:
> Salve,
>
> I am very much impressed with the good intent and effort behind
the search to
> find an appropriate Citizen ring for Nova Roma, and applaud
Tiberius Galerius
> Paulinus' efforts. :)
>
> I'm afraid my personal opinion is that I would greatly prefer a
ring that
> "looks" traditional Roman. Jewelry is a symbol, so a symbol that
is recognizable
> would work best. I would not purchase the style of ring shown. Nor
would I
> consider owning any other 'neo' ring style.
>
> I don't mean to critisize the idea of projecting a new image for
Nova Roma,
> but symbols are very important. I truly believe that if we begin
to move away
> from recognizable Roman styles we will run a risk of losing our
basic identity.
> The less we identify with traditional Roman styles, the more we
reduce our
> ties to Roma Aeterna. That, in turn, might severly curtail our
public appeal.
>
> Valete,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
> Senator
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus writes:
>
> >I have uploaded a picture of a ring onto the Yahoo group site for
NR.
>
> >Please take a look and tell me if you like this as the design of
a
> citizenship
> ring.
>
> >The "1999" would be replaced with SPQR and the LVHS would be
replaced with
> NOVA
> down one side and ROMA down the other.
>
> >So what do you think?
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15809 From: L. Didius Geminus Sceptius Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Lex Didia Gemina de Potestate Tribunicia
Salvete omnes


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "quintuscassiuscalvus"
<richmal@a...> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, politicog <politicog@y...> wrote:
>
> >
> > What about a case when a pleb requests intercessio but
> > wishes to remain anonymous to the rest of the
> > populace. (S)he could send a private e-mail and ask
> > for intercessio but request confidentiality of who
> > requested the intercessio/auxilium. Is this no longer
> > a possibility if this law passes?
> >
> > Lucius Quintius Constantius
>
> Salve,
>
> Since I can never run for Tribune what I'd do in that situation is
a
> moot point, but I can only guess at what I'd likely do if in that
> situation. If I believed that a request for intercessio against a
> proposed Lex or Edicta was based on a valid point of Constitutional
> Law and the person wished to remain anonymous, I'd issue the
> intercessio against the Lex or Edicta that violated the NR
> Constitution in my own name. I'm going to presume that our
current
> Tribunes and the ones in the future would likely do the same, but
what
> they would really do in that situation is only speculation on my
part.
>
> As for auxilium, that is an entirely different story as that would
be
> to impose an intercessio to prevent an action against a specific
> person. Thus, it would be almost completely impossible to have the
> petitioner remain anonymous in the case of auxilium.
>
> I hope that helps somewhat.
>
> Vale,
>
> Q. Cassius Calvus

SCEPTIVS: Well, indeed the subject of a intercessio *mustn't* be
anonymous, because if she/he asks auxilium, the Tribune have to make
clear who is the subject of that right in which behalf the Tribune
issues an intercessio. On the other hand, if the Tribune find a
singular citizen or a plurality who needs from her/his auxilium, the
Tribune *must* identify who is the subject again, because if Tribune
doesn't, the action would go against the Res Publica and the Mos
Maiorum. Publicity is needed, and therefore anonymous citizens can't
be the subject of a right.

I hope it would clarify the purpose of that section. :-)

vale bene in pace deorum,

L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
TRIBVNVS·PLEBIS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15810 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Re: Equus October
Thank you for posting that Lucius Equitius!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15811 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Re: Lex nova (LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA)
Salvete all,

GIScaurus: I completely and unreservedly accept your apology and proffer an
apology of my own for my heated response to your posting.
SCEPTIVS: I gladly accept your apologize, because is much better a dicussion
than a quarrel. :-)

Good, you've both made my day! Sorry again for the trouble. Apologies given
and accepted, we're back to business :-)

First of all, I like the proposal of my colleague Sceptius. As far as the
punishment thing, I admit that it is my *personal* dislike of such things so
there is not need for me to bring it up again :-) My serious concern is
that one sentence is not clear (I.a.). I don't want Sceptius to change the
spirit of that sentence, but I think just a few more words would leave all
forms of misinterpretation out of it and make it crystal clear. I've asked
Sceptius offlist to change it a week ago and now I am asking for the same
here. I don't think that I am asking for much. I know what Sceptius 'means',
but we should not have to guess and read between the lines of a law
especially when an incorrect interpretation *could* take away a power given
to us by the Constitution which makes this one sentence as it reads, in
conflict with IV.7.a. of the Constitutional:

IV.7.a. To pronounce intercessio (intercession; a veto) against the actions
of any other magistrate (with the exception of the dictator and the
interrex), Senatus consulta, magisterial edicta, religious decreta, and
leges passed by the comitia when the spirit and/or letter of this
Constitution or legally-enacted edicta or decreta, Senatus Consulta or leges
are being violated thereby;

So how adding two words of clarification which I think would make it in sync
with the consitution:
"I.a. The official name(s) of the citizen(s) who has requested the Tribunus
Plebis to issue the intercessio, or the official name(s) of the citizen(s),
comitia, provincia, etc. on whose behalf the Tribunus has provided
auxilium."

Any other ideas? I really would have liked to have heard the opinions of the
3 other Tribunes and also the Plebeian citizens since after all, this
proposal would be effecting them (and not me) since from amongst them, we
will be soon choosing 5 new Tribunes.

Valete,
Diana Moravia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15812 From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Re: Lex nova (LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA)
Salve Diana:

I have been following this discussion very closely. I agree with your
assessment of the Lex, and support the Lex with the changes you have suggested.

Vale;

G. Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 10/16/2003 7:08:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
diana@... writes:
Any other ideas? I really would have liked to have heard the opinions of the
3 other Tribunes and also the Plebeian citizens since after all, this
proposal would be effecting them (and not me) since from amongst them, we
will be soon choosing 5 new Tribunes.

In Fellowship;

Athanasios

"What we have done for ourselves alone dies with us; what we have done for
others and the world remains and is immortal."
-Albert Pike


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15813 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: response to Cordus: Lex nova.
Salve Cordus,

> I hope you're well; I'm fine.
Glad to hear that you are fine. Me too. Just busy trying to shove 48 hours
of things to do into a mere 24 :-)

> It strikes me that a Tribune is himself or herself a citizen, and is
therefore perfectly capable of
> requesting a veto of himself or herself. The veto would then say 'I
pronounce this intercessio at the
> request of myself'. A little convoluted, perhaps, but within the wording
of the law.

To me, the point of this law is to make it required for Tribune's to include
their reasons for vetoing something which would prevent any Tribune from
just constantly saying 'I veto this' without providing reasons to the
veto-ee and the populace. This law would help to 'nip in the bud' any abuse
of Tribune power if we ever had a Tribune that was prone to such behavior. A
Law should not cause Tribunes to have to use double talk and silly comments
like 'I veto this on behalf of myself".

> Alternatively, a Tribune might ask his or her colleagues to make such a
request, they also being
> citizens. Since the veto will fail unless a majority of them support it
anyway, this shouldn't be too hard.

So the Tribunes would then be pronouncing intercessio on behalf of
eachother? A bit confusing to new citizens (and Tribunes I think!) and again
not necessary with a simple addition of a few words.

> Pompoenia? This sounds like it's meant as a pun, but I'm afraid it's lost
on me. :)
No pun intended. That was me screwing up the name of the lex. I should have
written Lex 'Poenalis' (I looked it up yesterday :-p)

> Incidentally, I have to say I think the *main* consequence of physically
attacking a Tribune ought in
> any case to be a severe nota from the Censors and a charge of impiety,
because after all attacking a
> Tribune is above anything else a religious crime.

I'm curious: It is not a requirement of any magistrate to be a follower of
the Religio, so why is it a religious crime?

Vale,
Diana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15814 From: raymond fuentes Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: October Horse
Salvete Omnes,

Finally someone gives an explanation for the October Horse that is concise and easy to read. I finally understand what the expression means. The explanation for the term in the last of the 'Masters of Rome' series by Collen McCollugh (Same title) was vague and made it sound like a simple sacrifice. (No offense to the author, I loved that series...)

Thank you, sir...


S P Q R

Fidelis Ad Mortem.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15815 From: Karen Blackburn Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Re: Give me a Roman name
Hi, I have just read your email. If you are looking for a penpal I would be interested in corresponding with you. I live just over the pond in Ireland Co. Tipperary to be exact. I did Latin at school (in the dim and distant past) and am intending to go back and teach myself again. My email address is Iulia-Vespasia@... so if you are interested feel free to drop me a line.

Iulia Vespasia

--- "Lucius Arminius Faustus" <lafaustus@...> wrote:
Why not: Manlius ´Gens´ Torquatus Atrox?




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Bryan Griffin Junior"
<griffinator01@w...> wrote:
> Salve, Amiculus!
>
> I'm new to the Nova Roma group. Since everybody has a Roman name
> here, I might as well ask to have one given to me. I vaguely
> remember reading somewhere on the Internet (it was a long time ago)
> that there is a Roman name for "BRYAN". Is there anyone who can
> verify that for me? That would be a good start.
>
> Here is a little info about me at this website:
>
> http://profiles.yahoo.com/griffinator3661
>
> I'm a college student who will be graduating this coming Spring. I
> also know some Latin. I'm taking it as a foreign language
> requirement for my English degree. For the time being, it is just
a
> bachelor's degree. I'm hoping to write for a newspaper or a
magazine
> in the very near future.
>
> I'm hoping to swap e-mails with someone soon, possibly a pen pal.
> So, don't be shy -- drop me a line; maybe we'll chat some time.
BTW,
> I write poetry on some long autumn days.
>
> Take it easy. Hope to hear from someone soon.
>
> Valete,
>
> BGJR
>
> Fortes fortuna adiuvat



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15816 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Ludi Victoria!
Salvete Quirites!

Today is the first day of the Ludi Victoria. From now until the
kalends of Novemberis, there will be chariot races, a trivia contest,
a cultural contest, and a military strategy contest.

Enjoy the Ludi!

--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15817 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Ludi Victoria Cultural Contest
Salvete Quirites!

Original compositions are now solicited for the Ludi Victoria Cultural
Contest. Each entry should be composed according to these rules:

-- One entry per person

-- Entries must be epigrams, as defined below

-- Entries written in languages other than English must provide an
English translation

-- All entries must be received by 00:00 Roman time, Saturday
the 25th day of October, 2003 CE.

-- Entries must be sent via e-mail to gawne@...
(that's gawne AT cesmail DOT net). Entries posted to any Nova
Roma mailing list will be disqualified.

An epigram, for the purposes of this contest, is defined as
a poem of either two or four lines, containing 10 to 12 syllables
in the first line and either the same number or two fewer syllables
in the second. If there are four lines, the pattern of the 1st and
2nd lines should repeat in the 3rd and 4th.

As an example, the following epigram won last year's Ludi Plebii contest:

>"Of arms and man I sing," once Virgil boldly wrote
>then told Aeneas' tale, still learned by mouldy rote.
>His labors long indeed, the students sadly note,
>The teachers know, for they were once in the same boat.

--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15818 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest
Salvete Quirites!

Throughout the Ludi Victoria, we will have an ongoing trivia contest.
There will be daily questions and updates.

To participate in the contest, please send your answers to
gawne@... (gawne AT cesmail DOT net). Anyone posting
answers to any of the Nova Roma mailing lists will be disqualified,
and will also disqualify any answers sent by anyone else for that
day. Please check your e-mail headers before sending.

Each day we will have a Latin word or phrase to be translated,
with each fully correct translation worth 2 points and 1 point
available as partial credit for translations that are, in the
judge's opinion, substantially but not fully correct. There will
also be a question from Roman history to be answered, worth 5 points
for fully correct answers, with partial credit available.

Here are today's items:

1. Translate "de nihilo nihil" into English.

2. The traditional date for the founding of Rome is 753 BCE. What is
the traditional date for the founding of the Roman Republic?

--
Gn. Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15819 From: rory12001 Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Provincia Hibernia?
Salvete Quirites;
I just saw a letter from a civis from Hibernia, now we are
officially a Provincia why are we not listed on the splash page so
we may find one another? Or anyone visiting for that matter, Hiberni
are very welcoming;)
vale Pomponia Fabia Vera Attica
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15820 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis: Day I
Hello racing fans! Welcome to the first race of the Ludi Victoria Ludi
Circensis, where you'll see chariot racing at its finest!

Today's race features chariots from all four of the racing factiones.

The green faction, Praesina, is represented by the chariot Inexpugnabilis II
owned by Caius Curius Saturninus and driven by Euthymus.

The red faction, Russata, is represented by the chariot Potencia owned
by Philippus Arminius Remus and driven by Philiponicus.

Albata, the white faction, is represented by Hades Chariot, owned by Tribuna
Diana Moravia Aventina and driven by the incomparable Latina of Gallia! Just
look at those enormous Belgian plow horses folks! What can Diana be
thinking?!? What is Latina thinking? Inquiring minds want to know!

Finally we have the blue faction, Veneta, represented by the chariot Veritas
which is owned by Gaius Lanius Falco and driven by Maximus Vincentius.

Wait! I've just received this message from the track stewards...
We have a late scratch folks! Inexpugnabilis II has been scratched from the
race! It seems that the chariot was sabotaged! The Potencia chariot from
Russata was almost sabotaged too, but Philiponicus saw the fiend in the act of
sabotage and gave the alarm! Unfortunately the saboteur got away, but
Potencia has been examined and judged able to compete. Not so for
Inexpugnabilis II though. It's axles have been spiked and Euthymus is going
to have to miss today's race. What a shame for Saturninus.


Now the three remaining chariots are loaded into their starting gates... and
they're off! The huge Belgian horses break for the inside track, as the
ground thunders beneath their hooves! Latina is grinning like a madwoman (and
those who remember the tiger last year cringe at that grin) as they charge
down the track. Potencia and Veritas are well to the outside, keeping a safe
distance...

Now into the first turn... and Oh No! The belgians are into the stands! They
didn't even try to turn! Meanwhile the red and blue chariots are around and
into the backstretch while Latina has jumped out of the wreckage of her
chariot and is fighting with those mad Belgian plowhorses. There's no telling
how many were trampled by those huge brutes. Oh the humanity!

Back on the track now, we have a two chariot race. Both drivers know that if
they can finish they *WILL* advance, so the watchword now is caution. There's
still the honor of finishing first to be won, but they also both know that
they're going to have to race again....

... And at the finish line it's Veritas! Potencia is well back, perhaps due
to that earlier sabotage attempt. But both blue Veritas and red Potencia will
advance to the semifinals next week.

So that's it for today folks! Let's congratulate Gaius Lanius Falco on the
success of his blue chariot, Veritas! Then make your way over to the Albata
stables, where Tribuna Moravia will be hosting a barbecue picnic...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15821 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Re: response to Cordus: Lex nova.
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia Aventina"
<diana@p...> wrote:

>
> I'm curious: It is not a requirement of any magistrate to be a
follower of
> the Religio, so why is it a religious crime?
>
> Vale,
> Diana

Salve,

Historically the person of the Tribune was considered sacrosanct,
meaning consecrated with religious ceremonies. To cause harm to a
Tribune was the religious crime of desecration. Which is why I
consider the murder of Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus to be the point
where the Republic began its decline. Once such a taboo was broken
all things became permissible (including leading an army upon Rome) in
the name of personal political power.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15822 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Ludi victory
Salvete omnes

VICTORY TO THE BLUES! With this initial glory, Factio VENETA is well on its
way to making a name for itself in the Circus Maximus. I encourage all my
racing kin in VENETA to have the utmost confidence in their races. WE SHALL
TRIUMPH!!!

G. Lanius Falco
Factio VENETA


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15823 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Re: Ludi victory
Salvete Omnes,
What foul villain has sabotaged Inexpugnabilis II? I call for an
investigation at once! Green's protect yourselves at all cost's! Let
the culprit beware(Off with his or her head).


Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15824 From: fin372000 Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: New Citizen
I have recently become a citizen of Nova Roma and thought I better
make myself known to my fellow citizens, especially since I hope to
get very involved in politics. Out of interest, can anyone tell me
what are the burning political issues being debated in Nova Roma at
the moment (I've picked up on one or two, but I think im starting in
the wrong place)?

Thanks

T. Octavius Salvius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15825 From: rory12001 Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: re; Ludi Victory
Oh to see such ignoble deeds besmirch our great Factio. Praesini;
get out your bodyguards, I promise my Judaean mercenaries will skin
any malefactors alive!
P. Fabia Vera Factio Praesina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15826 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-16
Subject: Roman Family Law and Traditions
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Roman Family Law and Traditions":

http://bama.ua.edu/~morin002/

This site, created by Lisa S. Morin, provides a good introduction to
the topic, a bibliography, and links to related sites.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15827 From: Decimus Iunius Silanus Date: 2003-10-17
Subject: New game
Salvete,

There is a new game coming out which should suit some
of the politicians and military commanders amongst us
:-)

http://paxromana.dcegames.com/IndexUk.html

Valete

Decimus Iunius Silanus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15828 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-17
Subject: Re: Ludi victory
> VICTORY TO THE BLUES!
<WE SHALL TRIUMPH!!!
> G. Lanius Falco
> Factio VENETA

<Green's protect yourselves at all cost's! Let the culprit beware(Off with
his or her head).
<Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus

<Oh to see such ignoble deeds besmirch our great Factio. Praesini; get out
your bodyguards, I promise my Judaean mercenaries will skin
<any malefactors alive!
<P. Fabia Vera Factio Praesina

Diana Moravia sits in her Villa in Gallia and reads the above comments. With
a wide-eyed slightly crazed look on her face she shakes her head and says a
bit too cheerfully "Blues? Greens? Reds? Poor deluded souls! They hold on to
a foolish hope of being victorius! The Parcae know that only Factio Albata
shall Triumph! Decima has already measured out the thread of life of the
other charioteers and Morta is ready with shear in hand to cut the strings."
Diana throws her head back in Demonic laughter as she stabs needles into a
surprisingly detailed Little Wax Circus that she's made, complete with
little chariots, horses, drivers, and tiny chariot owners in their togas and
stolas smiling and waving to the crowds.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15829 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2003-10-17
Subject: Re: New game
Decimus Iunius Silanus wrote:
> There is a new game coming out which should suit some
> of the politicians and military commanders amongst us
> :-)
>
> http://paxromana.dcegames.com/IndexUk.html

Salve, Decime Iuni Silane.

It looks really neat, I'll have to test it if/when it hits the shelves.
Too bad it will bomb, they really shouldn't have kept it historical. If
there's no way to alter the historical course of events, gamers will
avoid it. Even though a historical game is good, in that it entertains
and educates, the lack of flexibility will be frowned upon.

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15830 From: L. Sicinius Drusus Date: 2003-10-17
Subject: Re: New Citizen
Salve,

Allmost all of the political debates since Nova Roma
was founded are a variation of how closely we should
adhere to the example of Roma Antiquita.

--- fin372000 <fin37@...> wrote:
> I have recently become a citizen of Nova Roma and
> thought I better
> make myself known to my fellow citizens, especially
> since I hope to
> get very involved in politics. Out of interest, can
> anyone tell me
> what are the burning political issues being debated
> in Nova Roma at
> the moment (I've picked up on one or two, but I
> think im starting in
> the wrong place)?
>
> Thanks
>
> T. Octavius Salvius
>
>
>


=====
L. Sicinius Drusus

Roman Citizen

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15831 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-17
Subject: Ludi Victoria Circensis, Day II
Welcome back race fans! It's day two of the Ludi Victoria, and here at the
Circus we have another great horse race on tap for your pleasure! Once again
all four of Nova Roma's racing factions are represented.

The praesina faction is represented by the chariot Stella Iudaeae, owned by
Pomponia Fabia Vera Attica and driven by Malchus.

Russata is represented by Catonica, owned by Kaeso Arminius Cato and driven by
Drausius.

Albata brings a strong entry into today's race with the champion of past
races, the chariot Imperator Invictus owned by Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa and
driven by Draco Borealis.

Last, but by no means least, the Veneta faction brings its hero, the great
driver Victor Hispanicus driving Crux Australis, owned by Lucius Pompeius
Octavianus.

Now, as we await the arrival of the chariots in the starting gates, an update
on the investigation into yesterday's tragic events. You'll remember that the
Praesina faction was robbed of what many considered a sure victory when their
chariot Inexpugnabilis II was found sabotaged shortly before the race. Also,
the Russata faction's chariot Potencia narrowly avoided a similar fate when
driver Philiponicus discovered suspicious activity by an as yet unidentified
person who fled the scene. Curule Aedile Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, the master
of the Ludi Victoria, has promised a full and complete investigation, and is
said to be personally looking into the matter.

(Not to question the Aedile's motivations, but this reporter wonders if there
might be some conflict of interest here, seeing as Marinus has a chariot of
his own entered in the races. Is it time for an Independent Investigator?
Should Marinus recuse himself from the investigation? Call our hotline NOW to
let us know what you think!)

What? Wait just a moment folks... Oh no! I have just received word that the
charioteer Draco Borealis, driver of Imperator Invictus, the pride of the
Albata faction, has been found dead in the stables! What a terrible loss for
Albata! Is this more of yesterday's dirty work? Or could it be payback?
Whatever it is, it's a terrible, terrible tragedy.

But wait, there's more!

Another assassination attempt has just been thwarted! Malchus, the driver of
Stella Iudaeae, has just reported an attack. The would-be assassin is in
custody even as I speak, and will be questioned later today. Malchus is safe,
having sustained a cut on his forearm while disarming the assassin. He will
be driving today, and you can bet the folks in the Praesina faction are happy
to know that.

Finally, we're ready to race!

The three chariots, Stella Iudaeae, Catonica, and Crux Australis have been
loaded into their starting gates. A black banner hangs over the white
starting gate, as tribute to the late Draco Borealis of Albata. Now the Chief
Vestal approaches the Curule Aedile... and he stands to signal the start of
the race...

Here they go! Out of the gate it's blue Crux Australis driving for the
inside, followed closely by green Stella Iudaeae and red Catonica. Now
Catonica overtakes Stella Iudaeae, pushing into the gap. Drausius is driving
his horses hard, as Catonica moves up on Victor Hispanicus in Crux Australis.

They're really racing out there today folks! Can Malchus win after his brush
with death? Or will Victor Hispanicus hang on to win? Or will it be the red
chariot, Catonica? Catonica is challenging Crux Australis for the lead...

And down the stretch they come!

It's Crux Australis still in front by a hair! Red Catonica is right there,
hub to hub with the blue chariot! Malchus is whipping his horses for all they
have, but they seem to be fading here, as Crux Australis and Catonica pull
away with every stride! Into the final turn now, it's a blur of blue and red
as they close on the finish line...

Oh NO! Catonica's wheel has come off! What terrible luck for Drausius! He
leaps from the disintegrating chariot onto the back of his horse! What a
gutsy move! He crosses the finish line in second place for a moral victory,
though his chariot is now firewood.

And that's it for today's race! Crux Australis driven by Victor Hispanicus
wins, Drausius comes in second after a terrible accident destroys his chariot,
and Malchus brings Stella Iudaeae in safely around the wreckage of Catonica.
Crux Australis and Stella Iudaeae will advance to the semi-finals next week.

Stay tuned for more exciting racing tomorrow folks! We'll be back!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15832 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-10-17
Subject: The father of Lucretius? - addendum
A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
greetings.

I asked a rather vague question recently which didn't
elicit any replies. Having read a bit further I'm able
to frame it a bit more explicitly, and I hope someone
may now be able to help:

Is there any reason why the Q. Lucretius Ofella who
served under Cornelius Sulla at the siege of Praeneste
and whom Sulla later had murdered in 82 or 81 BC
cannot have been the father of the poet T. Lucretius
Carus (author of De Rerum Natura); or, on the other
hand, is there any evidence which might this idea?

Thanks again.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15833 From: L. Didius Geminus Sceptius Date: 2003-10-17
Subject: Lex Didia Gemina de Potestate Tribunicia
Salvete omnes:

Subject: Re: RE: Lex nova (LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA)

<So how adding two words of clarification which I think would make it in
sync with the consitution:
"I.a. The official name(s) of the citizen(s) who has requested the Tribunus
Plebis to issue the intercessio, or the official name(s) of the citizen(s),
comitia, provincia, etc. on whose behalf the Tribunus has provided
auxilium.">

SCEPTIVS: Well, it is really important to clarify the subjects of such
intercessio, but on the other hand this way sounds to me unnecessary. Why?
Would you ask. It is quite clear for anyone who reads it not between the
lines but the literal wording of the law, that " [...] official name(s) of
the citizens(s) [...]" is really open to some interpretation but also closed
to the subjects (The people who is under the rules of Nova Roma). If you add
"comitia, provincia, et cetera" it is superfluous and adds no meaning
indeed, and also can restrict the original interpretation opened with the
wording I suggest. A law must be wide open to interpretation and also quite
closed to the subject it tries to rule. A balanced wording is the looked
one, so I humbly believe, despite my english, that the original wording is
enough and no more words are needed. :-)

<Any other ideas? I really would have liked to have heard the opinions of
the 3 other Tribunes and also the Plebeian citizens since after all, this
proposal would be effecting them (and not me) since from amongst them, we
will be soon choosing 5 new Tribunes.>

SCEPTIVS: Well, I support that although past week some people has told me
public and privately their ideas; but I also remind my fellow colleague
that, as plebeian, it will affect her too. :-)


vale bene in pace deorum,

L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
TRIBVNVS·PLEBIS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15834 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-17
Subject: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Day 2
Salvete Quirites!

Throughout the Ludi Victoria, we will have an ongoing trivia contest.
There will be daily questions and updates.

Yesterday's questions were:

> 1. Translate "de nihilo nihil" into English.

Translation: "From nothing, nothing," or "nothing comes from nothing."

> 2. The traditional date for the founding of Rome is 753 BCE. What is
> the traditional date for the founding of the Roman Republic?

509 BCE, or 244 a.u.c.

Standings after Day 1:

Sp. Postumius Tubertus: 7 pts
Titus Octavius Pius: 6 pts
Cornelius Moravius Laureatus Armoricus: 6 pts
Gallio Marsallas: 6 pts


To participate in the contest, please send your answers to
gawne@... (gawne AT cesmail DOT net). Anyone posting
answers to any of the Nova Roma mailing lists will be disqualified,
and will also disqualify any answers sent by anyone else for that
day. Please check your e-mail headers before sending.

Each day we will have a Latin word or phrase to be translated,
with each fully correct translation worth 2 points and 1 point
available as partial credit for translations that are, in the
judge's opinion, substantially but not fully correct. There will
also be a question from Roman history to be answered, worth 5 points
for fully correct answers, with partial credit available.

Here are today's items:

1. Translate "fortiter in re, suaviter in modo" into English.

2. What was the last year in which the Republic had both elected Censors?

--
Gn. Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15835 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-17
Subject: ATTENTION Scriba Curatoris Differum
Salve

Iulia Aenea Apollonia Musa
Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
Titus Arminius Genialis
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Livia Cornelia Hibernia
Flavius Galerius Aurelianus Secundus
Gaius Galerius Peregrinator
Aurelia Iulia Pulcra
Lucius Iulius Sulla
Marcus Iulius Perusianus
Gaius Lanius Falco
Albertus Minius Abrahaeus Vaticinator
Caius Minius Messala Bellator
Coryphaeus Minius Leo Cambosia
Pompeius Minius Aquila Palladius
Flavius Minius Clinamens
Gallus Minucius Iovinus
Gaius Modius Athanasius
Quintus Sertorius
Violentilla Titinia Saltatrix

For the December Issue I would like each of you to send to me a brief biography of yourself and if possible a picture (if you have a picture on the main NR site I will use that picture).

Please include your macro name ( if it is ok to publish it) where you work or go to school, what hobbies you engage in. How and when you fell in love with Roma , any awards of honors that you have received in the past year and any thing else of interest . Please include info on our spouses and kids or you dog.


Salve

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differium








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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15836 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-17
Subject: Etruscan Section of the Archaeological Museum of Bologna
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to the Etruscan Section of the Archaeological Museum of
Bologna:

http://www.comune.bologna.it/Musei/Archeologico/etruschi/en/index.htm

The site has some very nice photos of Etruscan artifacts in the
museum's collection.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15837 From: deciusiunius Date: 2003-10-17
Subject: Re: Lex Didia Gemina de Potestate Tribunicia
Salve L. Didi Gemine Scepti,

I hope you don't mind a patrician offering a brief comment on this
law. You did put it on the Main List and asked for comment...

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Didius Geminus Sceptius"
<sceptia@y...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes:
>
> Subject: Re: RE: Lex nova (LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA)
>
> <So how adding two words of clarification which I think would make
it in
> sync with the consitution:
> "I.a. The official name(s) of the citizen(s) who has requested the
Tribunus
> Plebis to issue the intercessio, or the official name(s) of the
citizen(s),
> comitia, provincia, etc. on whose behalf the Tribunus has provided
> auxilium.">
>
> SCEPTIVS: Well, it is really important to clarify the subjects of
>such intercessio, but on the other hand this way sounds to me
>unnecessary. Why? Would you ask. It is quite clear for anyone who
>reads it not between the lines but the literal wording of the law,
>that " [...] official name(s) of
> the citizens(s) [...]" is really open to some interpretation but
>also closed to the subjects (The people who is under the rules of
>Nova Roma). If you add "comitia, provincia, et cetera" it is
>superfluous and adds no meaning indeed, and also can restrict the
>original interpretation opened with the wording I suggest. A law
>must be wide open to interpretation and also quite closed to the
>subject it tries to rule.

A law must be open to interpretation but be as precise as possible at
the same time. One possible interpretation of this law is that the
Tribunes can only impose intercessio on behalf of someone else, not
themselves. This is not an isolated interpretation, quite a few
people have pointed out the vague wording, including at least one or
two of your fellow tribunes. This should indicate to you the law
needs a few changes. It was pointed out that only a few additional
words are needed to improve your law. I would think you would welcome
the suggestions and make the necessary changes, after all you did ask
for comments.

>A balanced wording is the looked
> one, so I humbly believe, despite my english, that the original
>wording is enough and no more words are needed. :-)

Then why did you ask for comments or suggestions if you don't think
anyone else can improve this proposal?

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15838 From: aoctaviaindagatrix Date: 2003-10-18
Subject: Zeugma
Salvete,

There was a great special on recently about the loss of the Roman
City of Zeugma and the last minute digging that went on before the
dam became functional. Some of the most beautiful mosaics and the
most pristine homes ever found were there. Unfortunately, they had
to resort to "bulldozer archaeology" in order to retrieve some any
of it.
There is a good site out there with great imagery of all the
findings, including mosaics, ceramics, other art, jewelry..the list
goes on.

http://www.zeugma2000.com

Enjoy!

Valete,
Annia Octavia Indagatrix
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15839 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-18
Subject: Fw: SPQR Ring
Salve Here is a mock up from the ring company

Vale
Tiberius
From: Frank Murphy
To: Stephen Gallagher
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2003 4:32 AM
Subject: SPQR Ring


Stephen,
I have had problems with Tim's email address----and since you responded with
the style number I needed I am sending you the "progress report" on that
ring style and its potential offering to your organization-----Look at the
attachment----rough layout and rendering--I will do some 3D models
later---we could do this ring in 10K, 14K, 18K gold. Initial cost for one
time order $550.00 10k, $700.00 14k, and $975.00 for 18k. All available in
yellow or white gold. Of course we would make quantity and repeat
orders---but le's get the ring design perfected first.
Please convey this information to Tim and ask him to send me his email
address.
Thanks
Frank Murphy
Trisko Jewelry Sculptures, Ltd
320 253 5346


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15840 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-18
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Circensis, Day II
> What? Wait just a moment folks... Oh no! I have just received word that
the
> charioteer Draco Borealis, driver of Imperator Invictus, the pride of the
> Albata faction, has been found dead in the stables!

Oh no!!! One of my pins must have slipped and hit a member of my own Factio
Albata!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15841 From: Paula Drennan Date: 2003-10-18
Subject: Re: Fw: SPQR Ring
salve,
those prices are awfully steep! I don't think I could afford a ring any thime soon at those prices. my budget is stretched aabout as thin as i think it will go.
Claudia Fabia Calpurnia

In memory of Tenzing the Kitty, May 4-August 1, 2003
He lost his short battle for life, and is now at peace

> later---we could do this ring in 10K, 14K, 18K gold. Initial cost for one
> time order $550.00 10k, $700.00 14k, and $975.00 for 18k. All available in
> yellow or white gold. Of course we would make quantity and repeat
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15842 From: L. Didius Geminus Sceptius Date: 2003-10-18
Subject: Re: Digest Number 881
Salve, Senator Iunius Palladius Invictus


Subject: Re: Lex Didia Gemina de Potestate Tribunicia

Salve L. Didi Gemine Scepti,

I hope you don't mind a patrician offering a brief comment on this
law. You did put it on the Main List and asked for comment...

SCEPTIVS: I don't really mind who is commenting it because the purpose was
to share it with all the quirites, so I would like to say that I wellcome
it. :-)

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Didius Geminus Sceptius"
<sceptia@y...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes:
>
> Subject: Re: RE: Lex nova (LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA)
>
> <So how adding two words of clarification which I think would make
it in
> sync with the consitution:
> "I.a. The official name(s) of the citizen(s) who has requested the
Tribunus
> Plebis to issue the intercessio, or the official name(s) of the
citizen(s),
> comitia, provincia, etc. on whose behalf the Tribunus has provided
> auxilium.">
>
> SCEPTIVS: Well, it is really important to clarify the subjects of
>such intercessio, but on the other hand this way sounds to me
>unnecessary. Why? Would you ask. It is quite clear for anyone who
>reads it not between the lines but the literal wording of the law,
>that " [...] official name(s) of
> the citizens(s) [...]" is really open to some interpretation but
>also closed to the subjects (The people who is under the rules of
>Nova Roma). If you add "comitia, provincia, et cetera" it is
>superfluous and adds no meaning indeed, and also can restrict the
>original interpretation opened with the wording I suggest. A law
>must be wide open to interpretation and also quite closed to the
>subject it tries to rule.

A law must be open to interpretation but be as precise as possible at
the same time. One possible interpretation of this law is that the
Tribunes can only impose intercessio on behalf of someone else, not
themselves. This is not an isolated interpretation, quite a few
people have pointed out the vague wording, including at least one or
two of your fellow tribunes. This should indicate to you the law
needs a few changes. It was pointed out that only a few additional
words are needed to improve your law. I would think you would welcome
the suggestions and make the necessary changes, after all you did ask
for comments.

SCEPTIVS: As you have said, intercessio can be impose on behalf of someone
else, but not exluding the magistrate itself because after all she/he *Is* a
citizen :-)

So such interpretation is mistaken when believing it exclude the other
Tribunes or the Tribune itself. My colleague Moravia Aventina, to make it
plural, suggested me to open widely the range of subjects who would be under
that part. And I did it whith a simple (s) added after "citizen". Why? Just
because any citizen is *Always* part of a Comitia, of a Sodalitas, a
Province or (And this looks for future laws) any other kind of association
(Imagine we'd rule a Corpus or Universitas, which are now not under any
rule). Adding "Comitia, Provincia, et cetera" implies a narrow display of
the spirit such article looks for. And the very first suggestion Moravia
Aventina did was quite good. Adding those other words breaks, in my opinion,
the balanced wording. It doesn't mean it can be better written. :-)

I posted it here before the Contio and in the comitia looking for that
comments and changes, but I didn't accept all because the purpose of this
law is not always the purpose of such changes, and despite that I have
changed about 7 or 8 things at least on the last two weeks, and explained
some items. Now I do and I'll do the same. :-)

>A balanced wording is the looked
> one, so I humbly believe, despite my english, that the original
>wording is enough and no more words are needed. :-)

Then why did you ask for comments or suggestions if you don't think
anyone else can improve this proposal?

SCEPTIVS: As I have said above, my explanation could be enough; however, I
know my english is quite poor to make a richer discussion, but the purpose
is clear; A Tribune can issue intercessio on his own or in behalf of a
singular or plural number of citizens, call them "Provincia of..." "Corpus
..." or any other kind of association. Important because the subject is
clear but opened. I hope it will be more clear now, despite the following
discussion until I call the Contio. :-)

Vale,

Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus


vale bene in pace deorum,

L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
TRIBVNVS·PLEBIS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15843 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-18
Subject: Ludi Victoria games
Salvete Quirites,

Due to technical difficulties with my wretched excuse for
an Internet Service Provider, the Ludi Victoria chariot
races and trivia contest may have to wait until Monday
to continue.

--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15844 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2003-10-18
Subject: Legal Name Changed to Roman Name?
Salve,
Has anyone ever changed their legal name
to their Nova Roman one(I don't plan to but
I was wondering if anyone had or thought
about it)?

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
--
AIM & YahooMsgr: GnLentulus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15845 From: rory12001 Date: 2003-10-18
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria games
---
Ave Gnaee Equiti;
this just gives all the aurigae a nice chance to rest up & get into
prime condition!
Whoo-hoo Aventina, put all the pins you want in, I prayed to Magna
Mater Idae! Next time go straight to the top.
vale P. Fabia Vera Factio Praesina
In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@c...>
wrote:
> Salvete Quirites,
>
> Due to technical difficulties with my wretched excuse for
> an Internet Service Provider, the Ludi Victoria chariot
> races and trivia contest may have to wait until Monday
> to continue.
>
> --
> Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15846 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-18
Subject: Introduction to Greek and Roman Comedy
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Introduction to Greek and Roman Comedy":

http://depthome.brooklyn.cuny.edu/classics/dunkle/comedy/index.htm

This site, created by Dr. Roger Dunkle (Brooklyn College), contains a
wealth of information about Greek and Roman comedic entertainment.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15847 From: forthegodshonor@aol.com Date: 2003-10-18
Subject: Republica or Empire?
Salve!

Everyone, I've noticed with some of the e-mails I've gotten that there is a
great interest in the empire, and while this is in and of itself a big part of
Rome's history, it leaves me wondering whether some people in Nova Roma are
interested in reviving Rome as the Republica it was meant to be as the Gods
decreed, or as an Empire, to take over once held lands? Anyone care to shed some
light on this for me, or clarify for me? I really appreciate it! :) Thank
you all very much for your time.

Take care, be well, and much love!
Vale!

~*~**~ Katie/Seta/Anneia/Ari ~**~*~

~ those who are different change the world those
who are the same keep it that way ~

Thank you to "Master Akane" for allowing me to use this quote in my
signature.
I am not aware of who the originating author is. But it's too true to pass
up.
It's how I feel as well. Enjoy it. :)

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ShemsuSet
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ma-A-Kherw
http://www.livejournal.com/users/beloveddaughter
http://www.kemetjournals.com/users/hrhprincessseta
http://www.fanfiction.net/~HRHPrincessAri

Main E-mail:
Forthegodshonor@...
Second E-mail: BelovedDaughterOfMaatAndSet@...
AIM:
FutureQueenOfAll
Yahoo IM:
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15848 From: O. Flavius Pompeius Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: Republica or Empire?
Salve,

While I for one support the prospect of a Republic, it wouldn't be right of us to ignore the stage of Roman history where the Princeps held sway. After wall, it was under Augustus that the religio was revitalised in Rome, and that the Empire was pushed to its extents.

Keeping in mind though a dynastic government has several faults. Mainly amongst these is the welfare of the government rests entirely upon the shoulders of a single individual. This is fantastic should we have an Augustus in our ranks, but imagine what would happen should we get another Caligula...

There's a lot to be learned from this stage in Roman history, but as for Nova Roma, I think a Republican government has more chance of making it in todays world then a monarchy.

Vale.

O. Flavius Pompeius




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15849 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: Republica or Empire?
Salve Katie,

Nova Roma is clear in its declarations that we wish to be in the
republic mode and have no ambitions to conquer or aquire large areas
of land; just several acres. Piliums,swords and lorca, though great
in ancient times just don't cut her with machine guns, artillery and
nuclear weapons.

All kidding aside, the interest in Rome's history and various eras
are just a matter of personal taste in my opinion. Though I support
a republic, I am most fascinated with the Julio - Claudian dynasty
since it was first introduced to me at a very early age when I
played one of the Maji in a school xmas play and not to mention it
is the most popular era in fiction, movies etc regarding Rome. I got
the bug and it stuck with me. Many other Nova Romans from what I can
see specialize in many different eras including the republic.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, forthegodshonor@a... wrote:
> Salve!
>
> Everyone, I've noticed with some of the e-mails I've gotten that
there is a
> great interest in the empire, and while this is in and of itself a
big part of
> Rome's history, it leaves me wondering whether some people in Nova
Roma are
> interested in reviving Rome as the Republica it was meant to be as
the Gods
> decreed, or as an Empire, to take over once held lands? Anyone
care to shed some
> light on this for me, or clarify for me? I really appreciate
it! :) Thank
> you all very much for your time.
>
> Take care, be well, and much love!
> Vale!
>
> ~*~**~ Katie/Seta/Anneia/Ari ~**~*~
>
> ~ those who are different change the world those
> who are the same keep it that way ~
>
> Thank you to "Master Akane" for allowing me to use this quote in
my
> signature.
> I am not aware of who the originating author is. But it's too
true to pass
> up.
> It's how I feel as well. Enjoy it. :)
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ShemsuSet
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ma-A-Kherw
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/beloveddaughter
> http://www.kemetjournals.com/users/hrhprincessseta
> http://www.fanfiction.net/~HRHPrincessAri
>
> Main E-mail:
> Forthegodshonor@a...
> Second E-mail: BelovedDaughterOfMaatAndSet@h...
> AIM:
> FutureQueenOfAll
> Yahoo IM:
> IWillFulFillMyDestinies
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15850 From: TiAnO Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria games
Salvete omnes,

just wanted you all to know, that my patron deities Venus and Mars have shown themselves to me during last night. They swore to protect my chariot, horses and driver!!

See you in the circus, Tiberius Annaeus Otho

rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:
Next time go straight to the top.


Tiberius Annaeus Otho (TiAnO) Factio Praesina
Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15851 From: fin372000 Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: Republica or Empire?
Salve

An interesing point in the Republic vs Empire debate is that,
technically, there is no break between the Republic and the early
Empire. After defeating Mark Antony, Octavian surrendered his powers
to the Senate, who gave them straight back to him. The idea of a
hereditary monarchy didn't arrive until Constantine the Great.

Personally, I prefer a Republic, mainly because politically it is
more involving. When all power is with one man, the other offices
become almost irrelevent. I'd also agree with O. Flavius Pompeius,
absolute monarchies arn't very popular these days.

vale

T. Octavius Salvius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15852 From: Patricia Cassia Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: NR incorporation documents posted
Nova Roma's incorporation documents have been posted online in PDF
format at:
http://www.novaroma.org/aerarium_saturni/nrinc.html

Magistrates may wish to be aware that when we renew our filing next
year, we may wish to update the membership section.

-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15853 From: cassius622@aol.com Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: Republic or Empire?
Salve, Anneia,

The answer to your question is that Nova Roma is a Republic, which is
comprised of Citizens interested in a wide variety of aspects of Rome and its
history. You'll find discussion on just about every Roman topic (both Republican and
Empire) here - but our organizational structure is set on a Republican model.
:)

Vale,

Marcus Cassius Julianus


>Anneia (forthegodshonor@...) writes:

Everyone, I've noticed with some of the e-mails I've gotten that there is a
great interest in the empire, and while this is in and of itself a big part of
Rome's history, it leaves me wondering whether some people in Nova Roma are
interested in reviving Rome as the Republica it was meant to be as the Gods
decreed, or as an Empire, to take over once held lands? Anyone care to shed some
light on this for me, or clarify for me? I really appreciate it! :) Thank you
all very much for your time.

Take care, be well, and much love!
Vale!


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15854 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Testing PGP
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Salvete,

Just a test message, as I'm trying out PGP. This message should be
signed by an unknown public key to most of you, but legible. If it's
not, I'll be sending an explanatory e-mail soon enough.

Valete, Titus Octavius Pius

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"Qui desiderat bellum, praeparet bellum." - Vetinari

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15855 From: Daniel O. Villanueva Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Congratulations Gaius Lanius Falco
Salve
Excellent job Gaius Lanius Falco !!! Congratulations!!!
habeas fortunam optimam
L. Pompeius Octavianus
Dominus factionis veneta



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15856 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: Testing PGP
Kristoffer From wrote:
> Just a test message, as I'm trying out PGP. This message should be
> signed by an unknown public key to most of you, but legible. If it's
> not, I'll be sending an explanatory e-mail soon enough.

Salvete,

Further testing due to problems with signature in the last message. Just
ignore me. :)

Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.

--

"Qui desiderat bellum, praeparet bellum." - Vetinari


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Kristoffer From wrote:
| Further testing due to problems with signature in the last message. Just
| ignore me. :)

Salvete,

That didn't go well, darn it. Well, this is the last try anyhow. No more
spam from me on this subject, at least not today.

Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.

- --

"Qui desiderat bellum, praeparet bellum." - Vetinari
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15858 From: Lucius Equitius Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Armilustrium
The Armilustrium
This day (NP), is for special religious observance.
The Armilustrium is the day the army is lustrated, or purified. The army would be assembled and reviewed in the Circus Maximus, garlanded with flowers and the trumpets (tubae) would be played as part of the purification rites. This is one of the festival day and the temples would sacrifice, then prepare feasts from the animals sacrificed, and the public and poor were invited. Games, music, dancing, singing and wine-drinking would conclude the festivities.
As a military festival, this day is sacred to Mars.

19 October XIV KAL. NOV. NP Dies religiosus
ARMILUSTIUM

The beginning of the campaigning season in March had been marked by the dancing of the Salii through the streets (p. 85), the Equirria (p. 89), the Quinquatrus and the Tubilustrium (p. 92), so its end in October saw the ceremonies of the October horse and the Armilustrium when the army had to be purified from the dangerous infection that it may have incurred from contact with bloodshed and strangers. This was a festival in honour of Mars; his Salian priests probably once again danced and sang through the streets, during the sacrifices tubae were sounded, and the arma and ancillia were purified and then put away until the next year. It appears from Plutarch and Varro that the lustratio was performed on the Aventine 'ad Circum Maximum' in an open space called Armilustrium (it lay south of the church of S. Sabina), the Aventine possibly being the last point in the procession of the Salii. note 261
An entry in the Praenestine calendar seems to apply to 20 October, but it could be a note to the previous day's Armilustrium. It runs '[...] sanguinem gustare antea frequenter solebant' (they frequently used blood to taste blood before'). This presumably refers to the tasting of blood from the sacrifice, a practice which had apparently ceased by the time of Augustus when the calendar was composed.

From 'Festivals and Ceremonies of the Roman Republic' by HH Scullard

Mars nos protegas

Valete, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur Flamen Martalis

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15859 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: Republica or Empire?
Salve

It is real simple we support the reestablishment of a Roman Republic ie Nova Roma

BUT WE LOVE EVERYTHING ROMAN , EMPIRE INCLUDED


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
----- Original Message -----
From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 1:56 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Republica or Empire?


Salve Katie,

Nova Roma is clear in its declarations that we wish to be in the
republic mode and have no ambitions to conquer or aquire large areas
of land; just several acres. Piliums,swords and lorca, though great
in ancient times just don't cut her with machine guns, artillery and
nuclear weapons.

All kidding aside, the interest in Rome's history and various eras
are just a matter of personal taste in my opinion. Though I support
a republic, I am most fascinated with the Julio - Claudian dynasty
since it was first introduced to me at a very early age when I
played one of the Maji in a school xmas play and not to mention it
is the most popular era in fiction, movies etc regarding Rome. I got
the bug and it stuck with me. Many other Nova Romans from what I can
see specialize in many different eras including the republic.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, forthegodshonor@a... wrote:
> Salve!
>
> Everyone, I've noticed with some of the e-mails I've gotten that
there is a
> great interest in the empire, and while this is in and of itself a
big part of
> Rome's history, it leaves me wondering whether some people in Nova
Roma are
> interested in reviving Rome as the Republica it was meant to be as
the Gods
> decreed, or as an Empire, to take over once held lands? Anyone
care to shed some
> light on this for me, or clarify for me? I really appreciate
it! :) Thank
> you all very much for your time.
>
> Take care, be well, and much love!
> Vale!
>
> ~*~**~ Katie/Seta/Anneia/Ari ~**~*~
>
> ~ those who are different change the world those
> who are the same keep it that way ~
>
> Thank you to "Master Akane" for allowing me to use this quote in
my
> signature.
> I am not aware of who the originating author is. But it's too
true to pass
> up.
> It's how I feel as well. Enjoy it. :)
>
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> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ma-A-Kherw
> http://www.livejournal.com/users/beloveddaughter
> http://www.kemetjournals.com/users/hrhprincessseta
> http://www.fanfiction.net/~HRHPrincessAri
>
> Main E-mail:
> Forthegodshonor@a...
> Second E-mail: BelovedDaughterOfMaatAndSet@h...
> AIM:
> FutureQueenOfAll
> Yahoo IM:
> IWillFulFillMyDestinies
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15860 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria games
<Next time go straight to the top.

Ah but my dear P. Fabia Vera, I am the top :-)))))))
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15861 From: John Walzer Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: Republica or Empire?
Salvete:

T. Octavius Salvius writes:

> After defeating Mark Antony, Octavian surrendered his powers to the Senate, who gave them straight back to him.
> The idea of a hereditary monarchy didn't arrive until Constantine the Great.


I'm not sure the idea of hereditary monarchy was all that alien to earlier generations of Roman rulers. The Julio-Claudians give every appearance of having considered the reins of power to have been a family concern. Vespasian intended his sons (Titus anyway) to follow him. Septimius Severus intended both his sons to follow him as joint rulers. And nearly all of the barracks emperors of the mid-third century, despite the brevity of most of their reigns, made it a priority upon assuming the purple to designate a son as heir with the obvious intention of starting a dynasty.

Anyone else have any thoughts?

Valete

L. Suetonius Nerva



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15862 From: Lucius Cassius Pontonius Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: Ludi victory
----- Original Message -----
From: <lanius117@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 4:54 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Ludi victory


> Salvete omnes
>
> VICTORY TO THE BLUES! With this initial glory, Factio VENETA is well on
its
> way to making a name for itself in the Circus Maximus. I encourage all my
> racing kin in VENETA to have the utmost confidence in their races. WE
SHALL
> TRIUMPH!!!
>
> G. Lanius Falco
> Factio VENETA
>




Victory!!!
VENETA shall show the world that none can defeat it! The Gods themselves are
surely with us!

L Cassius Pontonius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15863 From: Lucius Cassius Pontonius Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: New game
Looks very good. I shall have to add it to my list of games to buy. Thank
you for the link!
L. Cassius Pontonius

----- Original Message -----
From: "Decimus Iunius Silanus" <danedwardsuk@...>
To: <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 6:40 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] New game


> Salvete,
>
> There is a new game coming out which should suit some
> of the politicians and military commanders amongst us
> :-)
>
> http://paxromana.dcegames.com/IndexUk.html
>
> Valete
>
> Decimus Iunius Silanus
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15864 From: Evan Sharp Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: ring design
Avete amici,
In that last mention of this topic (the proposed NR signet) there was
no images or links to images. Also, I agree with others voicing their
opinion that $500 (USD I assume) is far too much for this ring.
I have a suggestion, look into companies that provide rings to
highschool/ university graduating classes. They are quality,
customizable, and student-priced (which, being a student, is
necessary for almost all my investments).
I mention the photos because I am interested in the symbol that was
chosen for NR (having been away I was not present for the
discussion).

valete,
Quintus Prometheus Petrus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15865 From: Lucius Pompeius Octavianus Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: Ludi victory. Vivat Factionem Venetam!!!!!
Salve L Cassi Pontoni
I fully agree with you!. Habeamus fortunam optimam!! Vivat factionem
Venetam!!!
Cura ut valeas
L. Pompeius Octavianus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Cassius Pontonius"
<pontonius@h...> wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <lanius117@a...>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 4:54 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Ludi victory
>
>
> > Salvete omnes
> >
> > VICTORY TO THE BLUES! With this initial glory, Factio VENETA is
well on
> its
> > way to making a name for itself in the Circus Maximus. I
encourage all my
> > racing kin in VENETA to have the utmost confidence in their
races. WE
> SHALL
> > TRIUMPH!!!
> >
> > G. Lanius Falco
> > Factio VENETA
> >
>
>
>
>
> Victory!!!
> VENETA shall show the world that none can defeat it! The Gods
themselves are
> surely with us!
>
> L Cassius Pontonius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15866 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: response to Cordus: Lex nova.
A. Apollonius Cordus to Tribune Diana Moravia Aventina
and all citizens and peregrines, greetingd.

I'm glad you're well; I hope your busy spell calms
down soon. :)

I can see the sense of your view, and to some extent I
agree. There is a slight danger of misinterpretation
in the present text, and perhaps some re-wording would
be useful, though it's hard to think quite what it
should say - everything I think of only makes it more
complicated. The best I can think of is a slightly
simplified version of your suggestion:

"a. The official name(s) of the citizen(s) who has
requested the Tribunus Plebis to issue the
intercessio, or the official name(s) of the citizen or
group of citizens on whose behalf the Tribunus has
provided auxilium."

The addition of 'or group of' makes it a little
clearer that intercessio can be pronounced on behalf
of a generic group such as 'the plebs' or 'the
province of Hibernia', without having to list the
different types of group available.

I would support some such amendment. However, if the
law went to the vote unchanged, I must say that I
would support it in any case, because even if the
situation you're worried about did happen, I'm sure it
would work itself out in the end. It would go
something like this:

A tribune issues a veto on behalf, say, of the general
population. Someone argues that this is not allowed
under the lex Didia Gemina. The tribune argues that it
is allowed. Who decides? The college of tribunes does,
because unless another tribune vetoes the veto, the
original veto will remain valid. So in the end it
comes back to the tribunes to decide, and they can
make whatever interpretation of the law they consider
best. Since they will have been elected by the people
with this responsibility in mind, I trust they will
make whatever decision is in the interests of the
people.

So this is why I'm fairly relaxed about the issue - I
agree that a tweak is perhaps in order, but to my mind
it's not, as they say, a deal-breaker.

As for your question about the religious implications
of attacking a tribune, I think Cassius Calvus has
answered it for me. :)

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15867 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Roman Archaeology: Roman Architecture & Engineering
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Roman Archaeology: Roman Architecture &
Engineering":

http://classics.furman.edu/~rprior/courses/RA/RAU59.html

Ths site, created by Richard Prior (Furman Univ.) as a study guide for
an archaeology course, provides excellent background and some
extraordinary photos of Roman architecture.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15868 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-19
Subject: Re: ring design
Salve the price is NOT set. We are looking at types and styles. I will try an re-post the pictures but I was having difficulty uploading it. The NR site will not take addendums. The Ring is very much a work in progress.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
----- Original Message -----
From: Evan Sharp
To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 12:55 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] RE: ring design


Avete amici,
In that last mention of this topic (the proposed NR signet) there was
no images or links to images. Also, I agree with others voicing their
opinion that $500 (USD I assume) is far too much for this ring.
I have a suggestion, look into companies that provide rings to
highschool/ university graduating classes. They are quality,
customizable, and student-priced (which, being a student, is
necessary for almost all my investments).
I mention the photos because I am interested in the symbol that was
chosen for NR (having been away I was not present for the
discussion).

valete,
Quintus Prometheus Petrus



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15869 From: O. Flavius Pompeius Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Re: Republica or Empire?
Salve,

The hereditary system of government that took place under the Julio-Claudians was in a sense a monarchy, however I'd hesitate to associated it with the more contemporary themes associated with Kingship.

Roman culture, especially the patricians, worked on the idea of inheritance. When someones father died, the closest male relative not only inherited weath, land etc but the reputation and political sway of the father (auctoirtas?)

Why did it stay in the family with the case of the Julio-Claudians? There are several reasons:

-Unlike most patrician families Octavius had managed to achieve a political position higher then that of consul. He attained the position of princeps. This wasn't based on the Republican concept that power should be short and shared, but was absolute. Therefore the position could not just be thrown open to takers upon Octavius' death, it was therefore kept within the family.

-On a much more basic level, Octavius and his subsequent heirs had the legions backing them. If you have an army, you had a fair amount of political clout as well. This is best seen in the case of Claudius. The Senate by no means wanted him, but when confronted with several hundred rather peeved Praetorian Guards, they could not exactly refuse. Likewise with Caligula, he ignored the Praetorian Guard and was subsequently murdered by them

I hope this helps.

Vale.

O. Flavius Pompeius




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15870 From: Karen Blackburn Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Re: Provincia Hibernia?
Salve from another civis in Hibernia. This civis lives in Co Tipp and would love to hear from more fellow Romans with a possible view to meeting up some time. Anyone out there, my address is:
Iulia-Vespasia@...
Hope to hear from someone soon.

Iulia-Vespasia


--- "rory12001" <rory12001@...> wrote:
Salvete Quirites;
I just saw a letter from a civis from Hibernia, now we are
officially a Provincia why are we not listed on the splash page so
we may find one another? Or anyone visiting for that matter, Hiberni
are very welcoming;)
vale Pomponia Fabia Vera Attica



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15871 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Re: response to Cordus: Lex nova.
Salve Cordus,
> "a. The official name(s) of the citizen(s) who has
> requested the Tribunus Plebis to issue the
> intercessio, or the official name(s) of the citizen or
> group of citizens on whose behalf the Tribunus has
> provided auxilium."

That looks just fine to me! Now only to get Sceptius to make that tiny tiny
addition so the Senior Tribune (me) can stop complaining.....

Vale,
Diana Moravia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15872 From: raymond fuentes Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Re: Ancient Music Available Online
Salve,
I came across this email in my archives and I was wondering if you had a link where I could buy this music. I am a huge fan of a Gothic band called DEAD CAN DANCE who do a lot of covers of ancient music from all over the world and different time era, Greco-Roman included. If you can send me some examples I would appreciate it or the name of the band and a link to a site. Thanks in advance.

Ian Elliott <ianelliott@...> wrote:
Salve! I am usually on Religio Romana, but I would like to announce
that ancient Greek and Roman music are both available nowadays on
CD. I have most of the Greek music downloaded to another computer
and can HyperSend some of it to anyone who is interested. In most
cases only the leading melodic line is available for these
compositions, with 'likely' accompaniment mostly imitating the
melody, though there are one or two pieces that are more complex.
The interest here is antiquarian, of course, for the most part, and I
doubt that any of these tunes will ever, as my parents used to
say, "make the hit parade." The most interesting to my ear are a
men's chorus from Euripides' play Orestes (408 BCE), Mesomedes' Hymn
to Nemesis, and Dionysius' Hymns to Helios and to Calliope. The last-
named is particularly lovely. I will try to acquire the Roman CD in
the near future. The Dionysius dates from the reign of Hadrian.

Vale,
Q. Moravius Cunctator



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15873 From: fin372000 Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Re: Republica or Empire?
Salve Suetoni,


First, I will apologise if the Latin greeting is wrong. Its the
first time I have tried it.

About the hereditary monarchy, in practical terms you're right. The
maintaining a dynasty would have been very important to the Emperors.

However, very technically, the first Emperor to state that the
sucession would pass automatically from him to his son without any
involvement of the Senate and enshrined it in law, was Constantine.
Previously (I may be a bit off with my Roman Politics/ history
here),I think the Emperor nominated his chosen sucessor for the
Senate to approve.

Still, my wording was in the wrong, I should have said:

"The idea of a hereditary monarchy, where the sucession was automatic
and based in law, didn't arrive until Constantine the Great"

If I'm totally wrong about all this please tell me. As an former
Byzantine enthusiast, my earlier Roman knowledge isn't as good as it
used to be.

Vale

T. Octavius Salvius




======================================================================

T. Octavius Salvius writes

>
> > After defeating Mark Antony, Octavian surrendered his powers
to the Senate, who gave them straight back to him.
> > The idea of a hereditary monarchy didn't arrive until
Constantine the Great.
>
>
> I'm not sure the idea of hereditary monarchy was all that alien
to earlier generations of Roman rulers. The Julio-Claudians give
every appearance of having considered the reins of power to have been
a family concern. Vespasian intended his sons (Titus anyway) to
follow him. Septimius Severus intended both his sons to follow him
as joint rulers. And nearly all of the barracks emperors of the mid-
third century, despite the brevity of most of their reigns, made it a
priority upon assuming the purple to designate a son as heir with the
obvious intention of starting a dynasty.
>
> Anyone else have any thoughts?
>
> Valete
>
> L. Suetonius Nerva
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15874 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Day 3
Salvete Quirites!

Welcome back after the unexpected weekend haitus!

Throughout the Ludi Victoria, we will have an ongoing trivia contest.
There will be daily questions and updates.

Friday's questions were:

> 1. Translate "fortiter in re, suaviter in modo" into English.

Translation: resolutely in action, gently in manner

> 2. What was the last year in which the Republic had both elected Censors?

70 BCE (Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Clodianus and Lucius Gellius Publicola)

None of the respondents named the correct year, but I did
give 3 points for naming other censors who were appointed
in other years, because I know this is a difficult question.

Standings after Day 2:

Sp. Postumius Tubertus: 12 pts
Titus Octavius Pius: 11 pts
Cornelius Moravius Laureatus Armoricus: 11 pts
Gallio Marsallas: 6 pts


To participate in the contest, please send your answers to
gawne@... (gawne AT cesmail DOT net). Anyone posting
answers to any of the Nova Roma mailing lists will be disqualified,
and will also disqualify any answers sent by anyone else for that
day. Please check your e-mail headers before sending.

Each day we will have a Latin word or phrase to be translated,
with each fully correct translation worth 2 points and 1 point
available as partial credit for translations that are, in the
judge's opinion, substantially but not fully correct. There will
also be a question from Roman history to be answered, worth 5 points
for fully correct answers, with partial credit available.

Here are today's items:

1. Translate "ab urbe condita" into English.

2. What was significant about the year 70 BCE in terms of
the office of Censor, other than it being the last time
both Censors were elected as noted above?

--
Gn. Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15875 From: Bill Gawne Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day III
Hello race fans! Welcome back to the Circus Maximus for another day of
thrilling excitement and high drama!

In today's race, the beleagured white faction is taking a break from the
action. Instead, we have two entries from the always dangerous reds of
Russata! Our starting lineup today will be...

The Sunburst, a new green chariot owned by Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus and
driven by Sextus Cornelius Balbus of the praesina faction!

Vulpes Ignea, one of the red chariots from the famous Russata faction, owned
by Titus Arminius Genialis and driven by Marcus Cursor.

Umbra Coccinea, another russata chariot, owned by Lucius Suetonius Nerva and
driven by Florianus.

And finally, Domini Irae, a blue Veneta chariot, owned by Aurelius Apulus
Sanniticus and driven by Spartacus.

The investigation into the assassinations of drivers continues. Curule Aedile
Marinus reports that the assassin captured yesterday expired before any useful
information could be obtained, apparently from poison contained within a
hollow tooth. Rumors are running rife that the attacks against Albata's
entries are attacks against the Aedile himself, though of course he denies it,
pointing out that the first attack was against a Praesina chariot. Calls for
an independent investigation are growing.

Wait! What's this?!?! Oh no!!! Another driver has been found assassinated
in the stables! Sextus Cornelius Balbus, driver of The Sunburst, has been
killed! This is the second Praesina driver to be assassinated in three days!
What a terrible loss for Praesina and for Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus.

So once again we have a three chariot race.

This is shocking folks! Just shocking! I tell you, it's an outrage!
Something MUST BE DONE!

Now, at the starting gate, the two red and one blue chariots are ready to
go... And they're off! The reds quickly move into position at the front and
go to work as a team, controling the race track and keeping the blue chariot
behind them. The only chance that Spartacus will have lies in patience,
waiting for one of the red drivers to make a mistake... He's keeping close,
biding his time, watching for that moment...

Around the far turn now and into the backstretch! And it looks like
Florianus is in trouble! His red Umbra Coccinea scraped the wall coming
around the turn back there, and his inside wheel is wobbling... Marcus Cursor
pulls close ... and now Florianus waves him off but not before Spartacus sees
his chance and thunders around on the outside! Now the blue Domini Irae is in
the lead and he's not looking back!

Rotten luck! The inside wheel just came completely off Umbra Coccinea.
Fortunately Florianus was able to stop his team in time, but he's done for
today. At the finish, it's Domini Irae first, followed by Vulpes Ignea.
Those two will advance to the semifinals.

And that's it from trackside folks! Stay tuned for More Exciting Racing!

[This race brought to you by delayed broadcast]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15876 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day III
Salvete Omnes,
TRAGEDY has struck Praesina AGAIN!!! How can this be happening. I urge all
remaining Praesina
Owners to be on your guard. I don't think I will be
able to find a replacement driver, but I will try.
I am going to DEMAND an investigation start AS
SOON AS POSSIBLE. I will have the Head(s) of
people responsable!!!!!!

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
Propraetor
America Medioccidentalis Superior
Wichita, KS Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15877 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day IV
Hello race fans!

Welcome back to another thrilling day of chariot racing!

In this fourth day of qualifying races, we once again have entries from all
four of the racing factions. Today's entries are:

Essedum, the prize winning green champion chariot owned by Manius Constantinus
Serapio and driven by Italicus. Essedum has covered the Praesina faction in
glory in the past, and Praesina has a lot of hope riding with Italicus again.

Cheruscantis, from the Russata faction, owned by Marcus Arminius Maior and
driven by Cheruscantis.

Firma Fulminata, from the Veneta faction, is owned by Caeso Domitianus
Postumus and driven by Tigranes Quasitemptus.

And on the outside, the new chariot owned by Curule Aedile Equitius Marinus
himself, Biga Fortuna! I don't know why he named it Biga when it's so
obviously a quadriga, but you know how those Equitii can be when it comes to
puns. Biga Fortuna is driven by Aoife, a wild woman from the west of
Brittania brought here especially on Marinus' request. She's gotten quite a
reputation at trackside folks. The word on Aoife is that she's fast, she's
wild, and she's dangerous. And she's a pretty mean charioteer too!

Wait a moment! We have a message from the stables... there's been another
assassination attempt! Italicus took a nasty slash to the ribs when he
deflected a thrust intended for his heart! But the doughty fellow says that
he's OK and he will drive today! Pity he killed the assassin while disarming
him. That's three attacks against Praesina drivers this week!

Now they're loading into the starting gates... The starting judge looks the
horses over... The Chief Vestal stands and walks to the Curule Aedile... who
raises his hand.... and THEY'RE OFF!

Out of the gate it's Biga Fortuna fighting for the inside! Aoife is
screaming and swinging her whip in all directions! Essedum and Firma
Fulminata drop back and away from the mad woman, while Cheruscantis presses
close behind her. Now the white Biga Fortuna is charging away from the pack
with Cheruscantis close behind! Into the far turn, they're neck and neck!
They're around the turn now... and it looks like Aoife and Hermanus are mixing
it up! Their chariots are hub to hub and their whips are flailing at each
other! I don't know if we're seeing factional rivalry or a lovers quarrel
here folks! But it's ugly, whatever it is!

Now... oh no! The hubs of Biga Fortuna and Cheruscantis just locked together
and caused the wheels to splinter apart! Aoife is up on her inside horses'
backs, reining them in! Now she's down on the sand, pulling Hermanus out of
harm's way... and now she's beating him herself!

Meanwhile Essedum and Firma Fulminata have driven clear of the wreckage and
are racing toward the finish line. Essedum is out in front... and here comes
Firma Fulminata on the outside! Firma Fulminata has come even! Now Firma
Fulminata pulls ahead! And at the finish line it's Firma Fulminata by a nose!

So after the fourth race, Firma Fulminata and Essedum will advance to the
semifinals. That's it for the fourth race folks! Stay tuned for more
excitement from trackside!
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Subject: Fwd: Feminae Romanae The Women of Ancient Rome
Note: forwarded message attached.


S P Q R

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15879 From: raymond fuentes Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Fwd: Feminae Romanae The Women of Ancient Rome
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S P Q R

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15880 From: Laureatus Armoricus Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Day 3
Salve,

1. Translate "ab urbe condita" into English.

Since the founding of the city (ie Rome)

2. What was significant about the year 70 BCE in terms of
the office of Censor, other than it being the last time
both Censors were elected as noted above?

The censors of 70BC used their office to thoroughly purged a corrupted
Senate.

Corn. Moravius Laureatus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15881 From: rory12001 Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day IV
Ave Gnaee Equiti;
what thrilling races! my heart was pumping, the speed, the crashes!
you have made me a lifelong devotee of this sport!
optime vale Pomponia Fabia Vera Attica, "Praesina Forever!"

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@c...>
wrote:
> Hello race fans!
>
> Welcome back to another thrilling day of chariot racing!
>
> In this fourth day of qualifying races, we once again have entries
from all
> four of the racing factions. Today's entries are:
>
> >
> So after the fourth race, Firma Fulminata and Essedum will advance
to the
> semifinals. That's it for the fourth race folks! Stay tuned for
more
> excitement from trackside!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15882 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day IV
Salve Pomponia Fabia,

> Ave Gnaee Equiti;
> what thrilling races! my heart was pumping, the speed, the crashes!
> you have made me a lifelong devotee of this sport!

Thank you! What'd you think of my driver?

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15883 From: rory12001 Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day IV
LOL, what a specimin, what fire, what a driver! I envy you, she
makes my Malchus look like a sissy;)
I hope she is still beating the heck out of Hermanus....& I predict
she will try to make mincemeat out of all of us at the Ludi Plebs in
November!!
Pomponia Fabia

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@c...>
wrote:
> Salve Pomponia Fabia,
>
> > Ave Gnaee Equiti;
> > what thrilling races! my heart was pumping, the speed, the
crashes!
> > you have made me a lifelong devotee of this sport!
>
> Thank you! What'd you think of my driver?
>
> -- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15884 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Calling all authors!
Salve citizens!

It is my pleasure to announce that I am currently accepting
submissions for the November and December issues of the Roman Times!
If you have an article of interest to other romans, and have always
wanted to see it published, I would love to hear from you. Please
contact me as soon as you can to be included in one of these two
issues.

gratias,
Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15885 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-20
Subject: Circus Maximus and Flavian Colosseum
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here is a nice photo of the Circus Maxmus in its current state and a
reconstruction:

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~rauhn/circus_maximus.htm

And current photos and a reconstruction of the Flavian Colosseum:

http://web.ics.purdue.edu/~rauhn/roman_colosseum.htm

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15886 From: TiAnO Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: More murder!
Salvete omnes amici romani hostes,

As the races in the circus go on, the slaughter of drivers continues as well. This calls for immediate action of the owners, whose chariots have not yet been sabotaged, whose drivers have not yet been killed.

Many of you know, that it is my duty to look after the security of the Colonia Augusta Raurica within the Provincia Germania Superior. I am therefore in the lucky position to send you notice, that one century of my most loyal (fans of factio praesina) guard have just arrived from Augusta Raurica. They are well rested and have been deployed for guard duty around the green stables and drivers!!!!

We Greens have to do something against this ongoing threat, so I decided, that if the murders are not caught by the people responsible for our safety, I will do my best to protect my factio.

Hereby I declare, that all the stables of the factio praesina and their drivers are now protected by my guard. Take care if you go close to them!!

Valete bene, Tiberius Annaeus Otho

rory12001 <rory12001@...> wrote:
---

Salvete omnes & especially my condolences to Lentulus;
these dastardly factios can only be fought by fire with fire!
if you take my meaning;)
vale Pomponia Fabia



In factiopraesina@yahoogroups.com, Caius Curius Saturninus
<c.curius@w...> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> Thanks for your support!
>
> However such is life, last year was very good to me on the race
> track, this year not. Maybe next year I will find something new to
> fight against whites and blues.
>
> Valete,
>
> --
>
> Caius Curius Saturninus
>
> Accensus Superior Primus (Ductor Cohortis) Cohors Consulis CFQ
> Legatus Regionis Finnicae
> Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
> Praeses et Triumvir Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
>
> e-mail: c.curius@w...
> www.insulaumbra.com/regiofinnica
> www.insulaumbra.com/academiathules
> gsm: +358-50-3315279
> fax: +358-9-8754751


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Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15887 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day IV
Salve Marinus,

> Thank you! What'd you think of my driver?

I thought that she was a bit unkept (with a bit of body odor), but my driver
Latina and your driver Aiofe really hit it off. They went out last night,
shared a jug of wine and then prowled the streets smacking around
unsuspecting men just for the fun of it...
Vale,
Diana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15888 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Re: More murder!
Salve Tiberius Annaeus Otho,

> Hereby I declare, that all the stables of the factio praesina and their
drivers are now protected by my guard. Take care if you go close to them!!

I've taken note of the new guards and I have added little wax guardsmen
around the little wax stable that I have made for Factio Praessina :-)

Vale,
Diana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15889 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day IV
Diana Moravia Aventina <diana@...> writes:

> Salve Marinus,
>
> > Thank you! What'd you think of my driver?
>
> I thought that she was a bit unkept (with a bit of body odor),

Well, yeah... She's not exactly a fashion plate. (Though she does
claim to be some kind of aristocrat in her own tribe.)

> but my driver
> Latina and your driver Aiofe really hit it off. They went out last night,
> shared a jug of wine and then prowled the streets smacking around
> unsuspecting men just for the fun of it...

I hope I don't have to explain her to the Vigiles. But hey, you know
how these high spirited charioteers can get. Besides, she's a free
woman. I imagine she can get out of any trouble that she gets into.

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15890 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Re: More murder!
TiAnO <tiberius_ann@...> writes:

> ... one century of my
> most loyal (fans of factio praesina) guard have just arrived from Augusta
> Raurica. They are well rested and have been deployed for guard duty around
> the green stables and drivers!!!!

Thank you for your contribution to the security force. With this
additional complement of guards, I'm able to redistribute the standing
force to provide more protection to the other factions.

> Hereby I declare, that all the stables of the factio praesina and their
> drivers are now protected by my guard. Take care if you go close to them!!

The commander of your century has now made liaison with the commander
of the circus guard detatchment. Your guys have taken over all security
duties for the Praesina faction. We've established protocols for
sharing intelligence and passing information. My praefectus will be
sending you a bill for logistical expenses.

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15891 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day III
Salvete Lentulus et omnes,
as assistant of Marinus in this races and as Curule Aedile, I
ordered to my famous secret policemen to investigate about this
dirty actions and to search the actors.
I can only say that it seems a big cospiracy against some Factio but
the situation is not easy: in italian we call it "omertà" and I
think it means "cospiracy of silence".
I suggest you to protect your horses and aurigae during the night
and before the races. However I remember to someone of you all that
you can't drive the soldiers in the Urbe, it's a big offense.
Good luck!

;-D

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie Collins" <deist@c...>
wrote:
> Salvete Omnes,
> TRAGEDY has struck Praesina AGAIN!!! How can this be happening.
I urge all
> remaining Praesina
> Owners to be on your guard. I don't think I will be
> able to find a replacement driver, but I will try.
> I am going to DEMAND an investigation start AS
> SOON AS POSSIBLE. I will have the Head(s) of
> people responsable!!!!!!
>
> Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
> Propraetor
> America Medioccidentalis Superior
> Wichita, KS Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15892 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Re: More murder!
Guards cannot keep them from the Erinias and the deadly Larvas that
walk across night.

Vale,
Faustus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia Aventina"
<diana@p...> wrote:
> Salve Tiberius Annaeus Otho,
>
> > Hereby I declare, that all the stables of the factio praesina and
their
> drivers are now protected by my guard. Take care if you go close to
them!!
>
> I've taken note of the new guards and I have added little wax
guardsmen
> around the little wax stable that I have made for Factio
Praessina :-)
>
> Vale,
> Diana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15893 From: O. Flavius Pompeius Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Building Site
Salve,

Forgive me if this has been mentioned before, but I was wondering just where the site for Nova Roma is? Where will Nova Roma be built?

Vale.

O. Flavius Pompeius




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15894 From: Laureatus Armoricus Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Day 3
Salvete omnes,

I have just realised while reading the messages on the main list that I have
posted my answer to the list instead of Marinus ;-(
Please accept my apologies : I guess I am out of the contest now...Never
mind there's always the next ludi !

Truly sorry for the inconvenience :(

Moravius Laureatus


-----Original Message-----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus [mailto:gawne@...]
Sent: 20 October 2003 18:38
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Day 3


Salvete Quirites!

Welcome back after the unexpected weekend haitus!

Throughout the Ludi Victoria, we will have an ongoing trivia contest.
There will be daily questions and updates.

Friday's questions were:

> 1. Translate "fortiter in re, suaviter in modo" into English.

Translation: resolutely in action, gently in manner

> 2. What was the last year in which the Republic had both elected Censors?

70 BCE (Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Clodianus and Lucius Gellius Publicola)

None of the respondents named the correct year, but I did
give 3 points for naming other censors who were appointed
in other years, because I know this is a difficult question.

Standings after Day 2:

Sp. Postumius Tubertus: 12 pts
Titus Octavius Pius: 11 pts
Cornelius Moravius Laureatus Armoricus: 11 pts
Gallio Marsallas: 6 pts


To participate in the contest, please send your answers to
gawne@... (gawne AT cesmail DOT net). Anyone posting
answers to any of the Nova Roma mailing lists will be disqualified,
and will also disqualify any answers sent by anyone else for that
day. Please check your e-mail headers before sending.

Each day we will have a Latin word or phrase to be translated,
with each fully correct translation worth 2 points and 1 point
available as partial credit for translations that are, in the
judge's opinion, substantially but not fully correct. There will
also be a question from Roman history to be answered, worth 5 points
for fully correct answers, with partial credit available.

Here are today's items:

1. Translate "ab urbe condita" into English.

2. What was significant about the year 70 BCE in terms of
the office of Censor, other than it being the last time
both Censors were elected as noted above?

--
Gn. Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15895 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Day 4
Salvete Quirites!

Throughout the Ludi Victoria, we will have an ongoing trivia contest.
There will be daily questions and updates.

Yesterday's questions were:

> 1. Translate "ab urbe condita" into English.

Translation: From the founding/construction of the city, a term
used in naming years. The current year is 2756 a.u.c.

> 2. What was significant about the year 70 BCE in terms of
the office of Censor, other than it being the last time
both Censors were elected?

They were the censors who were elected after Sulla had
abolished the office ten years earlier.

Standings after Day 2:

Titus Octavius Pius: 18 pts
Sp. Postumius Tubertus: 12 pts
Gallio Marsallas: 6 pts
Flavia Tullia: 2 pts

Answers received after the errant posting of answers to the
mainlist occured could not be counted. The poster has been
disqualified from the contest.

To participate in the contest, please send your answers to
gawne@... (gawne AT cesmail DOT net). Anyone posting
answers to any of the Nova Roma mailing lists will be disqualified,
and will also disqualify any answers sent by anyone else for that
day. Please check your e-mail headers before sending.

Each day we will have a Latin word or phrase to be translated,
with each fully correct translation worth 2 points and 1 point
available as partial credit for translations that are, in the
judge's opinion, substantially but not fully correct. There will
also be a question from Roman history to be answered, worth 5 points
for fully correct answers, with partial credit available.

Here are today's items:

1. Translate "ad nauseam" into English.

2. Within three years, when was the First Samnite War fought?

--
Gn. Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15896 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day V
Hello race fans! Welcome back to the Circus Maximus for the fifth day of
qualifying races in the Ludi Victoria championship contest!

In today's race, the Albata faction is not represented. Why? We don't know
folks. This reporter will only note that the Curule Aedile of these games is
himself a member of the Albata faction, whose chariot didn't do so well in
yesterday's race. Is there a connection? You decide.

Today the Praesina team brings their winning chariot Delecta Mea, owned by
Julilla Sempronia Magna and driven by Crescens. Security is tight in the
Praesina stables after the attacks on Praesina drivers the past several days.
They've brought in their own guards, but can those guards make a difference in
the face of what seems a concerted and orchestrated attack? Inquiring minds
want to know!

Russata, always strong, has two chariots in today's race., both owned by
Aediles! First there's Veiense, driven by Livius Pacuvius and owned by
Plebian Aedile Lucius Arminius Faustus. Also from Russata, we have the famous
Equus Erectus, driven by Italicus and owned by Curule Aedile Franciscus Apulus
Caesar.

Finally, the Veneta faction weighs in with Orionis Draco, driven by Equus
Magnus and owned by Titus Licinius Crassus.

Wait... what's this? I knew it! Yes race fans, there's been another
assassination attempt against a green driver! The driver of Delecta Mea,
Crescens, just narrowly escaped death in a brutal attack. It looks like the
special guards sent by Tiberius Annaeus Otho are no more able to put a stop to
the violence than our fine regular heroic stable guards have been. What can
be done?!? This is madness. Madness, I tell you! I sure wouldn't want to
drive a green chariot this week facing the kind of danger that all of the
Praesina drivers must be feeling now. Unfortunately, it seems that Otho's
guards turned the assassin into a pincushion before he could be questioned.

At least we get to see all four chariots race today folks! Crescens is OK,
and he is taking his place even now in the green starting gate. There's the
signal... and THEY'RE OFF!

It's Delecta Mea on the inside, moving for the spina while the two red
chariots thunder up the center of the track. Blue Orionis Draco brings up the
rear, closing on Delecta Mea. Russata is doing it again folks! They're
teaming up to win here, knowing that two will advance. This is what happens
when you let two chariots from the same faction into a race... But Crescens
is holding his own, keeping the green chariot near the wall and maintaining
the slightest of leads... Now they're into the far turn, and Would you look at
that! I've never seen anything like it! Equus Erectus has surged ahead,
having gained some kind of energy from what looked like a near collission with
Veiense! The two red chariots are unbelievable out there!

Now it looks like Orionis Draco, the blue chariot, is in trouble! The driver,
Equus Magnus, has reined his team in and they are leaving the track! The
inside horse seems to be limping from here. What rotten luck for Titus
Licinius Crassus and team Veneta.

Back at the front of the race, the two red chariots are solidly out in front!
Delecta Mea can not pass them... And at the finish line, it's Equus Erectus in
front, with Veiense behind by a nose, with Delecta Mea taking up the rear.

Equus Erectus and Veiense will advance to the semifinals. Congratulations to
the Aediles for a well rigged, er, run race! We'll see you all back here
tomorrow for MORE RACING EXCITEMENT!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15897 From: rory12001 Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day III
Salve Francisce Apule;
I will leave my mercenaries out of the urbs, but I warn everyone
I'm making sure a big contingent of my relatives from the Subura will
be at the races, any funny business & watch out!! they're tough and
they're a lot of them...j
vale Pomponia Fabia Vera Attica "Praesina Forever"
>
Salvete Lentulus et omnes,
> as assistant of Marinus in this races and as Curule Aedile, I
> ordered to my famous secret policemen to investigate about this
> dirty actions and to search the actors.
> I can only say that it seems a big cospiracy against some Factio
but
> the situation is not easy: in italian we call it "omertà" and I
> think it means "cospiracy of silence".
> I suggest you to protect your horses and aurigae during the night
> and before the races. However I remember to someone of you all that
> you can't drive the soldiers in the Urbe, it's a big offense.
> Good luck!
>
> ;-D
>
> Valete
> Fr. Apulus Caesar
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie Collins" <deist@c...>
> wrote:
> > Salvete Omnes,
> > TRAGEDY has struck Praesina AGAIN!!! How can this be happening.
> I urge all
> > remaining Praesina
> > Owners to be on your guard. I don't think I will be
> > able to find a replacement driver, but I will try.
> > I am going to DEMAND an investigation start AS
> > SOON AS POSSIBLE. I will have the Head(s) of
> > people responsable!!!!!!
> >
> > Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
> > Propraetor
> > America Medioccidentalis Superior
> > Wichita, KS Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15898 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Re: Republica or Empire?
A. Apollonius Cordus to Anneia and all citizens and
peregrines, greetings.

I think one of the reasons there's a lot of interest
in the empire is that that's the period most of
surviving Latin literature comes from. Very few
complete works survive before the last generation of
the republic, when we get Cicero, Lucretius, Catullus
& co. Livy, writing under Augustus, wrote plenty
*about* the republic, but much is lost and for the
majority of people the short, gossipy biographies of
the emperors by Suetonius are a more appealing form of
Roman history.

Being an amateur playwright and lover of the theatre I
especially regret the almost complete loss of Roman
drama: we have complete plays from only two authors,
Plautus and Terence, who wrote in only one of the half
a dozen dramatic genres of the republic. And it's much
the same in art and architecture, especially so
because building in stone at Rome only seriously got
underway under Augustus, who was very proud of his
programme to knock down the republican city and
rebuild it in marble.

Whether or not it was the will of the gods that so
little evidence of republican culture should survive,
but I don't think we should consider that to be a
reflection of their views on the republican political
system. :)

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15899 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: The real History of the Green Assassinations
Salvete,

I bring you the painful truth.

When I was walking through the Forum, making a daily meditation of
the Third Punic War and the Middle Orient Crises, I was surprised to
see a green chariot almost smashing a old woman. She escape by a
finger of certain death. I was unable to see the green racer, who was
running throught the city, on another show of exibitionism (typical
of greens... oh my!).

The old woman has fallen on the mud. By her speech, I suppose she is
from the north region of South Cappadocia, closed to the west wing of
the East Panphilia. Land of great mages. She raised a so bad curse
against all Greens that made my hair white, and my face red (Russata!
Russata! Russata! Yeah!)

But as a curse against the greens is always worth, and I will repeat
it with my poor poetical declamation.

Accursed be the greens!
May they eat much beams!
(I didn´t understand what she was saying now!)
And their horses falls on the neck
And their racers have a knife on the chek!
Might Powers of Vengeance
Punish their Arrogance!

This is what happened. There is no real flesh murderes, but the
punishment of Fate. Guards won´t save them.

Ahahahahahha!

Vale,
(In) Faustus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15900 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Recruiting Presentation's
Salve,
Has anyone developed a Photo Slide or Powerpoint program
that could be used to get new citizen's? If one was available it
could be used at SCA meetings, Ren Festivals, and other meeting's
to show what NR is and what we are not. A slide show would be
the best bet. Also still photo's could be made from the slides and
mounted to use as displays. If I had the knowledge to do the PP
I would, but I don't do Window's ;-). If such a program exists I
want one.


Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
--
Propraetor
Wichita, KS
America Medioccidentalis Superior

AIM: KSDeist
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15901 From: L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: CALLING FOR THE COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBUTA - Comitiorum Plebis Tributor
Ex Officio Tribunus Plebis Didie Geminii Scepti, Comitiorum Plebis Tributorum Convocatione





I call for auspices for a favourable opening of the Comitia Plebis Tributa to be convened to approve the following law:



-LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA.




Being Dies Comitiales since 20th October, the following are the dates to proceed:



- Formal debate (Contio) shall begin at 18.00 Roman time wednesday the 22th of October


- Voting shall begin at 18.00 Roman time Monday the 27th of October.

- Voting shall end at 18.00 Roman time Saturday the 1th of November.



The text of the law to be voted is the following:





* LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA *

PREAMBLE

This law provides additional procedures for the implementation of the powers granted to the office of Tribunus Plebis by Constitution, and amplifying the procedures of the Lex Labiena de Intercessione, which shall remain in effect insofar as it does not contradict this lex. This lex attempts to introduce elements of the ancient Lex Sacrata and Lex Publilia Voleronis to Nova Roma's reconstruction of the Tribunate.


I. IUS AGENDA CUM SENATU
(Concerning Calling the Senate.)

Any Tribunus Plebis may call the Senate to order as set in the Constitutio, article IV. VII.D.I and therefore follow the rules governing internal procedures of the Senatus as article V.F of the Constitution set.


II. IUS AUXILII LATIO
(Concerning Defending the Res Publica and the Citizenship.)

A. Since the Ius Auxilii Ferendi is a fundamental prerogative of a Tribunus Plebis as set in IV.VII.A of our Constitutio, the following procedure must be followed for an act of intercessio to be valid.

1. When a Tribunus Plebis issues an intercessio, it must include the following elements:

a. The official name(s) of the citizen(s) who has requested the Tribunus Plebis to issue the intercessio, or the official name(s) of the citizen(s) on whose behalf the Tribunus has provided auxilium.

b. The official name and office of the magistrate(s) against whose act(s) or acts the intercessio or auxilium has been interposed.

c. The article(s) of the Constitution or the leges violated by the magistrate's act(s).

2. If the intecessio of a Tribunus Plebis does not include these three elements, the intercessio shall be invalid. The time constraints of the Lex Labiena de Intercessione shall continue to hold such that, if a new intercessio is not issued before the seventy-
two hour limit, counted from the act(s) which occasioned the original intercessio, the Tribunus Plebis shall issue no new intercessio pertaining to that act(s).

3. When a Tribunus Plebis issues an intercessio against the act(s) of another Tribunus Plebis, it must include the following elements:

a. The official name and office of the Tribuni Plebis against whose act(s) that intercessio is interposed.

b. The article(s) of the Constitution or the leges violated by the Tribunus Plebis' act(s).

4. If the intecessio of a Tribunus Plebis does not include these two elements, the intercessio shall be invalid. The time constraints of the Lex Labiena de Intercessione shall continue to hold such that, if a new intercessio is not issued before the seventy-two hour limit, counted from the act(s) which occasioned the original intercessio,
the Tribunus Plebis shall issue no new intercessio pertaining to that act(s).

5. When a Tribunus Plebis shall issue an intercessio or provide auxilium, the procedures for ratification or voiding by the other Tribuni Plebis specified in the Lex Labiena de Intercessione shall be followed. There shall be no requirement that a Tribunus Plebis issue any statement on the matter at hand except agreement or disagreement with the original intercessio/auxilium.

B. When administering the law in accordance with Article IV.A.7.d.iii of the Constitution, a Tribunus Plebis must adjudicate in accordance with current law and the iurisprudentia established by the Praetore and serve the interests of the Plebs and the citizens of Nova Roma.

C. Resolving Disputes Among the Plebs.

A Tribunus Plebis shall arbitrate disputes between plebeian citizens if the parties involved so agree. If any party shall refuse to agree to such arbitration, the Tribunus Plebis shall refer the matter to the Praetor for adjudication under the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria. If the
parties agree to arbitration by a Tribunus Plebis, they shall accept the decision of the Tribunus and may not seek further relief under the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria.The Tribunus Plebis who shall arbitrate the dispute will be chosen by an agreement of the parties. If there is no agreement, the oldest Tribunus Plebis will arbitrate the dispute.


III. TRIBUNICIA POTESTAS.
(Concerning the Defence of the Tribunus Plebis)

The office of Tribunus Plebis is sacred in the Republic and endowed on this account with the following powers:

A. Summa Coercendi Potestas.

Any citizen or magistrate who interferes with the official action(s) of a Tribunus Plebis activity shall be fined by that Tribunus with a multa pecuniaria of no more than thirty U.S. dollars ($30.00), paid to the treasury of Nova Roma and devoted to Ceres. Such a penalty cannot be suspended or revoked except by intercessio of another Tribunus Plebis, or Praetorial appraisal which should permit the fined citizen has further recourse at law under the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria. The right of provocatio will be respected as Article II.B.5 of the constitution states.


B. Potestas Sacrosancta.

Any citizen or magistrate who shall do violence to a Tribunus Plebis in the course of his official duties or refuse to abide by a legal exercise of intercessio shall be brought before the Praetores and judged in accordance with the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria. The severity of the poena shall be determined in the Praetor's formula in accordance
with the severity of the offence. The trial for this offence should be completed within sixty days of submission of the petitio actionis to the Praetor by the Tribunus Plebis, respecting Praetor's use of his discretion on dates. Completion of the term of office of the actor Tribunus Plebis shall not affect trial for an offence for which petitio actionis has been filed prior to the completion of that Tribunus Plebis' term.



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vale bene in pace deorum,



L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS

TRIBVNVS·PLEBIS



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15902 From: Daniel O. Villanueva Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Congrats
Salvete omnes
Congrats to Veneta chariots Domini Irae and Firma Fortunata and to their owners!!!. Excellent job done!!!!
Bene valete
L. Pompeius Octavianus
Dominus factionis veneta


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