Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Oct 21-31, 2003

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15902 From: Daniel O. Villanueva Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Congrats
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15903 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Project Zeugma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15904 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Re: Recruiting Presentation's
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15905 From: TiAnO Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Re: More murder!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15906 From: TiAnO Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Re: More murder!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15907 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: LEX MORAVIA DE SVFFRAGIIS IN COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBVTA ET RATIONE COMI
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15908 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Re: CALLING FOR THE COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBUTA - Comitiorum Plebis Trib
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15909 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: changes in electoral laws in the CPT
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15910 From: TiAnO Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: What our friend did NOT tell us about the true cause for the murder
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15911 From: L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: (Correction) - CALLING FOR THE COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBUTA - Comitiorum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15912 From: L. Didius Geminus Sceptius Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Re: CALLING FOR THE COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBUTA - Comitiorum Plebis Trib
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15913 From: Bill Gawne Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Re: What our friend did NOT tell us about the truecause for the mur
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15914 From: raymond fuentes Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Roman ghosts
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15915 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Re: NR PowerPoint Presentation(was Recruiting Presentation)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15916 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Day 5
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15917 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day VI
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15918 From: Gnaeus Octavius Noricus Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day VI
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15919 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Re: CALLING FOR THE COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBUTA - Comitiorum Plebis Trib
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15920 From: Alejandro Carneiro Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: On Ludi
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15921 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Roman Portraits from Egypt
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15922 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Roman Ship answers questions
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15923 From: ames0826@cs.com Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Re: NR PowerPoint Presentation(was Recruiting Presentation)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15924 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Latina and Concordius in Love?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15925 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Re: CALLING FOR THE COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBUTA - Comitiorum Plebis Trib
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15926 From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Re: NR PowerPoint Presentation(was Recruiting Presentation)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15927 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Re: What our friend did NOT tell us about the true cause for the mu
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15928 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Another cause for green murders
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15929 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: LUDI PLEBEIAN MUNERA - SUBSCRIPTION OPEN!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15930 From: L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Re: [ComitiaPlebisTributa] Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: CALLING FOR THE COMI
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15931 From: TiAnO Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Re: What our friend did NOT tell us about the truecause for the mur
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15932 From: L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Question about the LEX DIDIA GEMINA...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15933 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Re: CALLING FOR THE COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBUTA - Comitiorum Plebis Trib
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15934 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Re: What our friend did NOT tell us about the truecause for the mur
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15935 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day VII
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15936 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Delay in messages getting through?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15937 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15938 From: rory12001 Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Re: Another cause for green murders
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15939 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Aoife's Report concerning the captured assassin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15940 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: The Roman Army
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15941 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Re: Aoife's Report concerning the captured assassin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15942 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Lex Moravia de Senatus Renuntio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15943 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Re: Question about the LEX DIDIA GEMINA...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15944 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Re: Aoife's Report concerning the captured assassin
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15945 From: Marcus Octavius Germanicus Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Re: Lex Moravia de Senatus Renuntio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15946 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Re: Lex Moravia de Senatus Renuntio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15947 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: An important thing about Plebeian Munera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15948 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Re: Another cause for green murders
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15949 From: Gnaeus Salix Astur Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Re: The Roman Army
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15950 From: Pat Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Re: [ComitiaPlebisTributa] Re: Re: CALLING FOR THE COMITIA PLEBIS T
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15951 From: L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Temporary Withdrawal of LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA an
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15952 From: Alejandro Carneiro Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Opinion of the creator of the race rules
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15953 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Part 6
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15954 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day VIII
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15955 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Update on Ludi Victoria Military Contest
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15956 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Provincial Administration and the Spread of Roman Citizenship
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15957 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Re: Delay in messages getting through?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15958 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-25
Subject: Temporary Withdrawal of LEX DIDIA GEMINA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15959 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-25
Subject: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis: Day I
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15960 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2003-10-25
Subject: Archaeological News: Roman Amphitheatre discovered
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15961 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2003-10-25
Subject: [ComitiaPlebisTributa] Re: Re: CALLING FOR THE COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBU
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15962 From: Maarten Date: 2003-10-25
Subject: women in the roman empire
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15963 From: Decimus Iunius Silanus Date: 2003-10-25
Subject: Re: Delay in messages getting through?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15964 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-25
Subject: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Semifinals Day I
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15965 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-25
Subject: A Brief History of Roman Libraries
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15966 From: O. Flavius Pompeius Date: 2003-10-26
Subject: Re: women in the roman empire
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15967 From: Patricia Cassia Date: 2003-10-26
Subject: Re: A Brief History of Roman Libraries
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15968 From: Da Flipped Man Date: 2003-10-26
Subject: Re: women in the roman empire
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15969 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-26
Subject: Re: A Brief History of Roman Libraries
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15970 From: Claudius Salix Davianus Date: 2003-10-26
Subject: Economical causes of the Decline of Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15971 From: philipp.hanenberg@web.de Date: 2003-10-26
Subject: Re: women in the roman empire
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15972 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2003-10-26
Subject: Re: women in the roman empire
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15973 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-26
Subject: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Semifinals Day II
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15974 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-26
Subject: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Part 7
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15975 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-26
Subject: Re: The Eagle YES or NO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15976 From: O. Flavius Pompeius Date: 2003-10-26
Subject: Re: women in the roman empire
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15977 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Ancient Roman Artillery
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15978 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Re: The Eagle YES or NO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15979 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Re: Opinion of the creator of the race rules
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15980 From: a_cato2002 Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Re: Economical causes of the Decline of Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15981 From: me-in-@disguise.co.uk Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Re: Economical causes of the Decline of Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15982 From: Alejandro Carneiro Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: a new idea for races
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15983 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Re: a new idea for races
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15984 From: KECTAM@aol.com Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: The Yahoo glitch and the Ludi
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15985 From: Da Flipped Man Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Re: women in the roman empire
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15986 From: Bill Gawne Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Re: The Yahoo glitch and the Ludi
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15987 From: Da Flipped Man Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Re: women in the roman empire
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15988 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Ludi Victoria Cultural Award
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15989 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Semifinals Part III
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15990 From: philipp.hanenberg@web.de Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Re: women in the roman empire
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15991 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Cultural Award
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15992 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Cremation in a Roman Port Town
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15993 From: daniel villanueva Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Congrats Veneta members!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15994 From: Annia Minucia Sempronia Date: 2003-10-28
Subject: California Provincia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15995 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-28
Subject: LUDI CIRCENSES - PLEBEIAN LUDI - SUBSCRIPTIONS OPEN! - HURRY UP!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15996 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-28
Subject: Eagle: name and address
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15997 From: Da Flipped Man Date: 2003-10-28
Subject: Re: women in the roman empire
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15998 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-28
Subject: Where are you, aurigas? - Re: LUDI CIRCENSES - PLEBEIAN LUDI
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15999 From: TiAnO Date: 2003-10-28
Subject: Re: Where are you, aurigas? - Re: LUDI CIRCENSES - PLEBEIAN LUDI
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16000 From: Maarten Date: 2003-10-28
Subject: enough info about roman women
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16001 From: Bill Gawne Date: 2003-10-28
Subject: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Semifinals Part IV
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16002 From: Christine Schofield Date: 2003-10-28
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Cultural Award
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16003 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-28
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Semifinals Part IV
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16004 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-28
Subject: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Part 8
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16005 From: Decius Iunius Palladius Date: 2003-10-28
Subject: Unavailable 29 Oct- 6 Nov, in Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16006 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-28
Subject: Re: Unavailable 29 Oct- 6 Nov, in Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16007 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-29
Subject: Scipio Africanus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16008 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-29
Subject: PLEBEIAN LUDI & Factio Albata List
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16009 From: TiAnO Date: 2003-10-29
Subject: Ludi Plebei
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16010 From: TiAnO Date: 2003-10-29
Subject: Guards being withdrawn from Praesina stables!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16011 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-29
Subject: Re: Guards being withdrawn from Praesina stables!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16012 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2003-10-29
Subject: Re: Scipio Africanus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16013 From: KECTAM@aol.com Date: 2003-10-29
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Cultural Award
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16014 From: M. Ivlivs Scipio Date: 2003-10-29
Subject: Re: Scipio Africanus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16015 From: Manius Constantinus Serapio Date: 2003-10-29
Subject: The Roman Law of delicts as applied to robots
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16016 From: cassius622@aol.com Date: 2003-10-29
Subject: New Religio Romana Book Study Group
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16017 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-29
Subject: The Architecture of Pompeii: Public Sites
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16018 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-30
Subject: Re: Scipio Africanus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16019 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-30
Subject: Plebeian Ludi - Munera - Subscriptions!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16020 From: L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS Date: 2003-10-30
Subject: CALLING FOR THE COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBUTA - Comitiorum Plebis Tributor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16021 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-30
Subject: Correction texts of Lex Moravia de Suffragis (etc) and the LEX MORA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16022 From: Alejandro Carneiro Date: 2003-10-30
Subject: Re: Scipio Africanus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16023 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-30
Subject: Ludi Plebeian - Subscriptions Until tomorrow!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16024 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-30
Subject: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Final Race
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16025 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-30
Subject: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Conclusion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16026 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2003-10-30
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Conclusion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16027 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-10-30
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Conclusion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16028 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-30
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Conclusion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16029 From: Tiberius Date: 2003-10-30
Subject: New pics
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16030 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-30
Subject: The History of Plumbing -- Pompeii and Herculaneum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16031 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: Scipio Africanus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16032 From: Christopher Cox Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: HELP a New Citizen - may the Gods smile upon Whomever renders assis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16033 From: M. Ivlivs Scipio Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: Scipio Africanus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16034 From: M. Ivlivs Scipio Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: Scipio Africanus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16035 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: Scipio Africanus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16036 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Final Race
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16037 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Conclusion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16038 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Conclusion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16039 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16040 From: Lucius Equitius Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Statuary
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16041 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: HELP a New Citizen - may the Gods smile upon Whomever renders a
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16042 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: The little things again
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16043 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: Scipio Africanus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16044 From: Centurion M Bianchius Antonius Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: The little things again
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16045 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Ludi Plebeian - End of subscriptions
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16046 From: Christopher L. Wood Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: Scipio Africanus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16047 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: Scipio Africanus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16048 From: Manius Constantinus Serapio Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: The Vendetta of Praesina (was WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS!)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16050 From: Gnostic Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: Statuary
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16051 From: Gnostic Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: HELP a New Citizen - may the Gods smile upon Whomever renders a
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16052 From: Gnostic Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: The little things again



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15902 From: Daniel O. Villanueva Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Congrats
Salvete omnes
Congrats to Veneta chariots Domini Irae and Firma Fortunata and to their owners!!!. Excellent job done!!!!
Bene valete
L. Pompeius Octavianus
Dominus factionis veneta


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15903 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-21
Subject: Project Zeugma
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Project Zeugma":

http://www.ist.lu/zeugma/

This webpage, maintained by Anthony Comfort, addresses the use of GIS
technology and remote sensing for the archaeology of the flooded site,
particularly the use of satellite imagery.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15904 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Re: Recruiting Presentation's
Salve Gnaeus Cornelius,

> Has anyone developed a Photo Slide or Powerpoint program
> that could be used to get new citizen's?

No, but that is not a bad idea. I have my hands full right now, but I could
do one early next year (if no one else volunteers!) if everyone (meaning the
webmaster, the Senate, etc.) is in favor of that. I have 'expert' level in
Powerpoint and can whip up a really nice presentation fairly quickly.
Vale,
Diana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15905 From: TiAnO Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Re: More murder!
Salve,

<Thank you for your contribution to the security force. With <this
<additional complement of guards, I'm able to redistribute the <standing
<force to provide more protection to the other factions.

Nothing to thank me for. Like this, we can be sure at least, that we will not be murdered or sabotaged by the guards on duty. ;-D

<The commander of your century has now made liaison with the <commander
<of the circus guard detatchment. Your guys have taken over all <security
<duties for the Praesina faction. We've established protocols <for
<sharing intelligence and passing information. My praefectus <will be
<sending you a bill for logistical expenses.

I hope that we can arrange a meeting to discuss this point of expenses. I did have some of my own, bringing them here and so forth. I hope, that my fellow members of factio praesina will also help us out and sponsor something in return for my help.

Vale bene, TiAnO



Tiberius Annaeus Otho (TiAnO) Factio Praesina
Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15906 From: TiAnO Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Re: More murder!
Salve amice,

But Venus and Mars can and as I wrote to you only a few days ago, they promised me their support, since they are the patron deities of my gens!

Vale bene, TiAnO

Lucius Arminius Faustus <lafaustus@...> wrote:
Guards cannot keep them from the Erinias and the deadly Larvas that
walk across night.

Vale,
Faustus


Tiberius Annaeus Otho (TiAnO) Factio Praesina
Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15907 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: LEX MORAVIA DE SVFFRAGIIS IN COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBVTA ET RATIONE COMI
Salvete citizens,



Below is the text of the LEX MORAVIA DE SVFFRAGIIS

IN COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBVTA ET RATIONE COMITIORUM PLEBIS TRIBUTORUM



An explanation of the changes will be in my next email.

Valete,

Diana Moravia Aventina

Tribunus Plebis



Preamble: Where as this year Nova Roma has suffered through seemingly endless runoff elections in the Comitia Plebis Tributa, the current laws relating to electoral procedure have been proven inefficient. The LEX MORAVIA DE SVFFRAGIIS IN COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBVTA ET RATIONE COMITIORUM PLEBIS TRIBUTORUM is hereby enacted to define the procedures by which the Comitia Plebis Tributa shall conduct the business of electing magistrates and voting on leges.

I. The Lex Salicia de Suffragiis in Comitia Plebis Tributa is hereby repealed.

II. The Lex Labiena de Ratione Comitiorum Plebis Tributorum is hereby repealed.

III. Any other previously enacted Leges and Edicta concerning voting in the Comitia Plebis Tributa are considered valid where the contents of those Leges and Edicta do not conflict with the LEX MORAVIA DE SVFFRAGIIS IN COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBVTA ET RATIONE COMITIORUM PLEBIS TRIBUTORUM. Where they are in conflict, the LEX MORAVIA DE SVFFRAGIIS IN COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBVTA ET RATIONE COMITIORUM PLEBIS TRIBUTORUM shall supersede.

IV. Calling the Comitia to Order

As described in the Constitution, a Tribunis Plebis may call the Comitia Plebis Tributa to order, to hold a vote on a lex or leges, or to hold an election. The magistrate who calls the Comitia to order shall be referred to herein as the presiding magistrate.



A. The Comitia Plebis Tributa shall be called to order by making a public announcement in those public fora which shall have been designated for such purposes. The announcement must include:



1. The names of candidates for office and the office for which they are running (when the Comitia Plebis Tributa is being called for magisterial elections).

2. The full text of any plebiscite which will be voted on (when the Comitia Plebis Tributa is being called to vote on a lex or leges).

3. The dates on which the contio shall begin and end, and the dates on which the members of the Comitia Plebis Tributa shall begin and end voting.

4. Any special instructions that are relevant to the mechanics of the vote, if any.



B. In the case of a magisterial election, the presiding magistrate shall have the responsibility for taking all reasonable precautions to ensure that the candidates meet all candidacy requirements as established by law. The Censores shall assist in such efforts as to the best of their ability




V. Timing of the Vote



A. Before calling the Comitia Plebis Tributa to order, the presiding magistrate shall request of the Collegium Augurum that the auspices be taken to ensure that the contio and voting dates are auspicious. This request shall include:

1. In the case of legislation, the full text of the proposed Plebiscite to be voted on.

2. In the case of a magisterial election, the full names of the candidates and the office for which they are running

3. The proposed dates of the contio and the voting.



B. Should the auspices be favourable, the presiding magistrate shall call the Comitia Plebis Tributa to order.



C. Should the auspices be found unfavourable, the presiding magistrate shall choose new dates and shall request of the Collegium Augurum that the auspices be retaken (including the items mentioned in V.A.1, 2 & 3).



D. The announcement containing the call to vote shall be issued a minimum of 120 hours (5 days) prior to the start of the vote. This period shall be known as the Contio, and shall be used for formal discussion of the issues and/or candidates on which the citizens of the Comitia Plebis Tributa shall vote on.



E. During the Contio, those Constitutionally empowered to do so may exercise their powers of intercessio or nuntiatio.

1. The exercise of intercessio shall cancel the vote or election outright, although another call with the same items may be made at a later date.



F. The period between the start and end of the voting must last a minimum of 120 hours (5 days).



G. No citizen who is registered as a Patrician by the Censors shall be permitted to cast a vote in the Comita Plebis Tributa.



H. The ability to vote during the voting period may be impacted and/or suspended due to calendrical issues as enacted by decreta of the Collegium Pontificum. The presiding magistrate shall then by decree extend or move the original start and ending times of the contio and/or voting times.



I. The Rogatores shall tally the vote and shall deliver the results to the presiding magistrate within 48 hours of the close of the voting period.



J. The presiding magistrate shall announce the results of the vote within 48 hours of receiving the results from the Rogatores, in at least the same venues as the original announcement calling the vote was published.



VI. Voting Procedures for Magisterial Elections



A. The Censors shall issue to each citizen a unique voter identification code. This code shall be used to maintain anonymity in the voting process, and to minimize the possibility of vote fraud. In a timely fashion prior to the vote, the Censors shall make available to the Rogatores a list of valid voter identification codes and the tribes with which they are associated. The Rogatores shall not have access to the names of the citizens associated with particular voter identification codes.



B. In consultation with the Rogatores, the curator araneum shall make available a cista; a secure web-based form to allow citizens to vote directly through the official Nova Roma web site. This form shall record the voter identification number and desired vote(s) of the individual. The information thus collected will either be forwarded to the Rogatores as it is gathered, or at the end of the process, at their discretion. Alternative methods of voting may be enacted by other legislation as required



C. Each voter shall be given opportunity to cast their vote in the manner which as follows:

1. The ballot shall consist of a listing of the candidates for office listed in alphabetical order based on the candidates' Nomen, Praenomen, and where applicable cognomen and agnomen(s). The list shall be placed on the ballot in a single column.

2. Beside the name of each candidate the voter shall be able to mark his or her approval of the candidate.

3. A voter may vote for the number of candidates equal to the number of vacant positions. A voter may chose to vote for only some of the candidates or none of the candidates.

4. There shall be an area on the ballot for a write-in candidate should the voter wish to cast a vote for a candidate not listed on the ballot.

5. There shall be an area on the ballot for an abstention, should the voter wish to waive their right to cast any votes for a given magistracy.

6. Once cast, no vote can be altered, even with the correct voter identification code. Should a voter cast subsequent ballots with the same voter identification code, only the first ballot shall be counted and all subsequent ballots shall be considered null and void.



D. Procedures for counting votes.



1. Votes shall be counted per tribe.

2. Each tribe shall cast the number of votes equal to the number of vacancies available for a given office. The vote of the tribe shall be counted as the candidates who receive the highest amount of votes equal to the number of vacancies within that tribe.

3. The candidates equal to the number of vacancies who receive the highest amount of tribal votes shall be declared elected.

4. Should there not be enough candidates to fill all of the open vacancies, a new election shall be called within 30 days from the end of the current election following the procedures stated in V. above.

5. Ties within the tribe shall be resolved as follows:

i. The tied candidates shall have their ties resolved by awarding the tied tribe to the candidate(s) that received the most votes of the Tribes in total.

ii. If the above does not settle the tie then the Rogators are instructed to cast lots in a manner that gives each tied candidate equal odds of winning the tie.

iii. Should a tie occur between candidates in excess of the number of vacancies the ties shall be resolved in the same manner as stated above (VI.D.2.i. & VI.d.2.ii)





VII. Voting procedures for Plebiscites



A. The Censors shall issue to each citizen a unique voter identification code. This code is to be used to maintain anonymity in the voting process, and to minimize the possibility of vote fraud. In a timely fashion prior to the vote, the Censors shall make available to the Rogatores a list of valid voter identification codes and the tribes with which they are associated. The Rogatores shall not have access to the names of the citizens associated with particular voter identification codes.



B. In consultation with the Rogatores, the Curator Araneum shall make available a cista; a secure web-based form to allow citizens to vote directly through the official Nova Roma web site. This form shall record the voter identification number and desired vote(s) of the individual. The information thus collected will either be forwarded to the Rogatores as it is gathered, or at the end of the process, at their discretion. Alternative methods of voting may be enacted by other legislation as required



C. The ballot shall be constructed as follows



1. The full text of the Plebiscite shall appear on the ballot.

2. The voters shall be asked to either approve or disapprove of the Plebiscite.

3. There shall be an area on the ballot for an abstention, should the voter wish to waive their right to cast a vote for a given Plebiscite.

4. Once cast, no vote can be altered, even with the correct voter identification code. Should a voter cast subsequent ballots with the same voter identification code, only the first ballot shall be counted and all subsequent ballots shall be considered null and void.




D. Procedures for counting votes.



1. Votes shall be counted according to tribes.

2. Should a majority of the votes within a tribe approve of the Plebiscite that tribe shall cast one vote of approval for that Plebiscite

3. Should a majority of the votes within a tribe disapprove of the Plebiscite or a tie occur within that tribe, that tribe shall cast one vote of disapproval of that Plebiscite.



E. In order for a Plebiscite to be enacted as law the Plebiscite must receive approval of no less than 18 of the 35 tribes.



F. Once cast a ballot may not be changed. Should a voter cast subsequent ballots, only the first ballot shall be counted and all subsequent ballots are considered null and void.




VIII. Votes may be tallied by automated means should the Rogatores determine such is preferable to, and at least as accurate as, a manual count.





IX. A ballot that is a mix of Election for Office and Plebiscite(s), the Listing of Candidates and the respective offices shall be placed first on the ballot followed by the Plebiscite(s).



X. Only the aggregate votes of the tribes shall be delivered to the presiding magistrate; the votes of individual citizens shall be secret.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15908 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Re: CALLING FOR THE COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBUTA - Comitiorum Plebis Trib
Salve Didie Geminii Scepti,

<I call for auspices for a favourable opening of the Comitia Plebis Tributa
to be convened to approve the following law:
<- Formal debate (Contio) shall begin at 18.00 Roman time wednesday the 22th
of October
<- Voting shall begin at 18.00 Roman time Monday the 27th of October.
<- Voting shall end at 18.00 Roman time Saturday the 1th of November.

Are you are taking the auspices yourself? If you are requesting auspices of
the Collegium Augurum then I would like to remind you that as mentioned on
the Senate list (which you are subcribed to) and the Tribune list (which you
are subscribed to) our Augur Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur has requested
more than once that he needs to be informed 5 days in advance in order to
make preparations to take the auspices in a timely manner. You have given
him less than 18 hours. Plus you have not even included him in cc when he is
usually recieves a digest of the Main List.

I would like to request that if you would like to have the auspices taken,
you follow the proper procedure and hold off your voting until the auspices
can be properly taken and found favorable.

Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15909 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: changes in electoral laws in the CPT
Salvete citizens,



Fist my thanks to 3 of my Tribune colleagues who gave me their approval to go forward with this proposal back in July. This is a corrected version so I hope that they still like it :-) My thanks also to Cordus and Tubertus who gave me their input on the Comitia Plebis Tributa list and whose corrections are included in the new version just posted. Anyone else who thinks that certain areas are unclear are welcome to email me with their changes.



The reason why I have not asked that a similar electoral law be enacted as the new lex Fabia is because I in magisterial elections, I think the Plebian citizens would first be called to vote in the Comitia Centuriata and then next by Tribe in the Comitia Plebis Tributa. I think that asking citizens to vote twice may cause confusion and probably make our already low Comitia Plebis Tributa voter turnout even lower.



The major changes between our current electoral laws in the Comitia Plebis Tributa (the LEX LABIENIA DE RATIONE COMITIORUM PLEBIS TRIBUTORUM & the The Lex Salicia de Suffragiis in Comitia Plebis Tributa) and my new proposal are as follows.



If the new Lex Moravia is enacted, The Lex Salicia de Suffragiis in Comitia Plebis Tributa will no longer be necessary because it lays out procedures for run-off elections. In the new Lex, in the unlikely event of a run-off election, the procedure would be the same as the first election.



Most of the Lex Moravia is a rewriting of the LEX LABIENIA DE RATIONE COMITIORUM PLEBIS TRIBUTORUM with the following exceptions:



1) In V.A. the Lex Moravia clearly states that the Tribunes must ask for auspices before calling for a vote in the Comitia Plebis Tributa. (I've just added the sentence that the Tribune shall ask for the auspices 5 days in advance as requested by our current Augur). Previously it has always been a grey area as to whether we *must* ask for the auspices of the Collegium Augurum or not. As I believe that magistrates should do nothing which might displease our Gods, I don't think that asking for the auspices is too much to ask of our presiding magistrates, even though it seems not to have been required in Ancient Rome within the Comitia Plebis Tributa.



2) Changed from IV.C. Citizen shall have the opportunity to vote for a single candidate for each office for which a vacancy exists, regardless of the number of vacancies within a given magistracy.
Changed to VI.C.3. A voter may vote for the number of candidates equal to the number of vacant positions.



Changed from V.B. & V.B.1. A vote or election shall be decided by a majority of the tribes. 1. In the case of a magisterial election, candidates must receive votes from at least 18 of the 35 tribes in order to win.

Changed to VI.D.2 & 3.: 2. Each tribe shall cast the number of votes equal to the number of vacancies available for a given office. The vote of the tribe shall be counted as the candidates who receive the highest amount of votes equal to the number of vacancies within that tribe. 3. The candidates equal to the number of vacancies who receive the highest amount of tribal votes shall be declared elected.



This means that during our elections, citizens can vote for 5 candidates when there are 5 vacant offices etc. The 5 candidates who recieve the most votes are elected. Using the first Tribune election of Nov 2755 as my example, the results would have been the same if we had this new law in effect. The difference is that it would not have taken 4 or 5 run-offs and a Senate vote allowing us to co-opt a 5th Tribune in order to get our 5 Tribunes! And we would not have had our 5th place winner bow out of the elections in June after 4 or 5 run-offs.





4)Changed from: II.C The period between the start and end of the voting must last no less than 192 hours (8 days).


Changed to �a minimum of 120 hours (5 days).� in V.F.



5)Changed from II.F. :The presiding magistrate shall announce the results of the vote within 24 hours of receiving the results from the rogatores, in at least the same venues as the original announcement calling the vote was published.



Changed to �48 hours� in V.J.



The procedures remain the same in the event that the Comitia Plebis Tributa vote on legislation.



I think that is all of the important changes and for the most part any other changes are just rewordings or changing the order of things.

Valete,

Diana Moravia Aventina

Tribunus Plebis



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15910 From: TiAnO Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: What our friend did NOT tell us about the true cause for the murder
Salvete omnes,

Only a few minutes after the 'real cause for the murders' was published, one of my spies came in and told me of the following findings:
After the incident with the green wagon, I went down a small side alley to visit some old friends of mine. Turning around a corner, I saw the green chariot standing in the street and two men next to it. As I went by, I noticed that the green colour had started coming off, in the places, where it had hit marketing stalls and people! Under the green colour, I very clearly saw RED!!!! At the same time, I noticed that one of the two men, the driver, had just received a big bag, which clinked as if there was money in it. I decided to get out of there as fast as possible and bring the fact to the notice of the necessary officials.

So much to the account of my spy. The necessary conclusion is: THIS IS NOT A CURSE OR FATE, IT IS A CONSPIRATION BY THE REDS!!!!!!!

I immediately sent notice to the officials concerned and demanded that the necessary steps be taken. On such proof, only one sanction can be accepted: RUSSATA MUST BE TAKEN OUT OF THE RACES!!!!!!!!!

Valete bene, TiAnO




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Translator linguae Germanicae
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Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15911 From: L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: (Correction) - CALLING FOR THE COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBUTA - Comitiorum
Ex Officio Tribunus Plebis Didie Geminii Scepti, Comitiorum Plebis Tributorum Convocatione (Correction)

I must make a correction in the Convocatione since LEX LABIENIA DE RATIONE COMITIORUM PLEBIS TRIBUTORUM states that no less than 8 days (3.C) shall be "The period between the start and end of the voting". Contio will be the same (As the law has been under public discussion for more than a week already) and so then this is the change (In red):
Being Dies Comitiales since 20th October, the following are the dates to proceed:


- Formal debate (Contio) shall begin at 18.00 Roman time wednesday the 22th of October


- Voting shall begin at 18.00 Roman time Monday the 27th of October.

- Voting shall end at 18.00 Roman time Tuesday the 4th of November.


I'd like to thank Moravia Aventina for his notify, now the dates are corrected. :-)

=======================
vale bene in pace deorum,



L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS

TRIBVNVS·PLEBIS



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15912 From: L. Didius Geminus Sceptius Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Re: CALLING FOR THE COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBUTA - Comitiorum Plebis Trib
Salve Moravia Aventina

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia Aventina"
<diana@p...> wrote:
> Salve Didie Geminii Scepti,

> Are you are taking the auspices yourself? If you are requesting
auspices of > the Collegium Augurum then I would like to remind you
that as mentioned on > the Senate list (which you are subcribed to)
and the Tribune list (which you > are subscribed to) our Augur
Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur has requested > more than once
that he needs to be informed 5 days in advance in order to > make
preparations to take the auspices in a timely manner. You have given
> him less than 18 hours. Plus you have not even included him in cc
when he is > usually recieves a digest of the Main List.

SCEPTIVS: Not indeed, but with this formula I tried to remember the
days Tribunus Plebis could take the auspices by themselves; so a too
pious formula when it is not needed. That's why I didn't include
Honorable Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur in the post. I didn't
think I had to explain a historical way of calling the Comitia,
Moravia Aventina. :-)

> I would like to request that if you would like to have the
auspices taken, > you follow the proper procedure and hold off your
voting until the auspices > can be properly taken and found
favorable.
>
> Vale,
> Diana Moravia Aventina

SCEPTIVS: Contio has started, although discussion is in progress
since last monday. I have corrected dates and now I'll wait for
Censors (Who are in the cc as Lex Labiena requires) so I'm following
the proper procedure. What I don't know is if you'll sum up your law
to my Call since it seems you haven't Call for Contio, have you?
Good luck, Moravia Aventina. :-)

vale bene in pace deorum,

L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
TRIBVNVS·PLEBIS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15913 From: Bill Gawne Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Re: What our friend did NOT tell us about the truecause for the mur
In our last thrilling episode, Tiberius Annaeus Otho tells us...

> Only a few minutes after the 'real cause for the murders' was published,
> one of my spies came in and told me of the following findings:
> After the incident with the green wagon, I went down a small side alley to
> visit some old friends of mine. Turning around a corner, I saw the green
> chariot standing in the street and two men next to it. As I went by, I
> noticed that the green colour had started coming off, in the places, where
> it had hit marketing stalls and people! Under the green colour, I very
> clearly saw RED!!!! At the same time, I noticed that one of the two men,
> the driver, had just received a big bag, which clinked as if there was
> money in it. I decided to get out of there as fast as possible and bring
> the fact to the notice of the necessary officials.
>
> So much to the account of my spy. The necessary conclusion is: THIS IS NOT
> A CURSE OR FATE, IT IS A CONSPIRATION BY THE REDS!!!!!!!
>
> I immediately sent notice to the officials concerned and demanded that the
> necessary steps be taken. On such proof, only one sanction can be accepted:
> RUSSATA MUST BE TAKEN OUT OF THE RACES!!!!!!!!!

These are serious charges. As such I request and require you and the
caput of the Russata faction to both appear before me. We will investigate
your claims, and Russata will have the opportunity to answer these charges.
In the meantime, the races will continue with a stern admonition to all
members of the Russata faction that they immediately desist in any actions
directed against Praesina or any other faction.

-- Gn. Equitius Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15914 From: raymond fuentes Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Roman ghosts
Quirities! Here is a link for Roman ghosts in an English Town. I thought some citizens, in the spirit of Halloween would find it interesting. It seems Rome is eternal in more ways than one. www.derbycity.com/ghosts/ghost-16.html


S P Q R

Fidelis Ad Mortem.

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Roman Citizen



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15915 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Re: NR PowerPoint Presentation(was Recruiting Presentation)
Salve,
What I was thinking about was a presentation that
would just be an intro to NR. Like how and when NR was formed. That our
formof government is
based on Republican Rome and how our leadership
is organized. What we are and what we are not(a
roleplaying game!}. Other area's could be the Tax/
Membership structure, the Ludi, and Religio Romana, Election's and how they
are held, and
more.
I see a mixture of photo's and text. Once such a program is made it
copies could be made available
to those who need it.
If anyone else has got any idea's jump right on in
the discussion.

Gn Corenlius Lentulus

AIM: KSDeist
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15916 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Day 5
Salvete Quirites!

Throughout the Ludi Victoria, we will have an ongoing trivia contest.
There will be daily questions and updates.

Yesterday's questions were:

> 1. Translate "ad nauseam" into English.

Answer: To the point of nausea.

> 2.Within three years, when was the First Samnite War fought?

Answer: 343-341 BCE

Standings after Day 4:

Titus Octavius Pius: 26 pts
Sp. Postumius Tubertus: 18 pts
Flavia Tullia: 9 pts
Gallio Marsallas: 6 pts


To participate in the contest, please send your answers to
gawne@... (gawne AT cesmail DOT net). Anyone posting
answers to any of the Nova Roma mailing lists will be disqualified,
and will also disqualify any answers sent by anyone else for that
day. Please check your e-mail headers before sending.

Each day we will have a Latin word or phrase to be translated,
with each fully correct translation worth 2 points and 1 point
available as partial credit for translations that are, in the
judge's opinion, substantially but not fully correct. There will
also be a question from Roman history to be answered, worth 5 points
for fully correct answers, with partial credit available.

Here are today's items:

1. Translate "omnia vincit amor" into English.

2. In what year did the number of Quaestors increased from 6 to 8?

--
Gn. Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15917 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day VI
Hello race fans! Welcome back to another exciting day of racing here at the
Circus Maximus!

The rumor mill has been going overtime folks! It's close to open warfare
between Praesina and Russata down in the stables today. The greens are
understandably upset about the assassinations of some of their drivers, and
with the success the reds have been enjoying, a lot of people are muttering
and making accusations. Tempers are flaring and the mood is tense. It could
get really ugly down there, let me tell you.

In today's race, we once again have chariots from all four factions. That's a
welcome relief from watching the double-teaming by the Russata charioteers
yesterday, isn't it? But the piper will have to be paid in the semifinals,
and you can bet those Russata drivers will care less about team membership
when they know only one will advance to the finals.

In today's race, from Russata, we have Lupus in Fabula, driven by Tenax and
owned by Marcus Iulius Perusianus.

Praesina is represented by Basilea, owned by Tiberius Annaeus Otho (who has
also been making a lot of wild accusations lately), and driven by his new
driver Tigris Niger Volans. Volans brings with him a new team of black
Arabian thoroughbreds that have caused quite the stir in the practice laps.
Watch this team folks! They are really something. And of course the question
on everyone's lips is: Will Volans survive the day? Or will he be the next
victim of the assassin's dagger? Inquiring minds want to know!!!

From Veneta, we have Impactus Infrenatus, driven by Concordius and owned by
Gnaeus Octavius Noricus.

And rounding out the field, from Albata, it's the ever popular B.S.D. Liber,
driven by Carolus Daemonicus and owned by Censor Marcus Octavius Germanicus.

Now they're loading them into the starting gate... and Wait! I KNEW IT!
There has been ANOTHER assassination attempt! Just now as the drivers were
bringing their chariots out, some knife weilding desparado flung himself on
Volans, the Praesina driver! Fortunately the guards subdued the assailant
before he could do any damage and he is even now in custody. Let's hope the
guards check for poison in hollow teeth this time.

OK... now the commotion has died away and they're in the starting gates.
Here's the signal... and THEY'RE OFF! It's Basilea out in front with B.S.D.
Liber closing fast! Impactus Infrenatus and Lupus in Fabula are taking up the
rear, left in the dust of the furiously charging green and white chariots! I
don't believe the burst of speed those Arabs are making folks! And how can
Daemonicus possibly be keeping up?!? I've never seen anything like this!

Now they go into the far turn... and OH NO!!! Oh, it's awful folks! It's too
horrible to watch! The black arabs hit the turn too fast, and their momentum
carried them wide just as the white chariot was coming around. It's bedlam
out there, with black horses and white horses tangled up like adolescents at
an orgy. There's blood all over the sand, and I can't tell if either of the
drivers is still alive. No... wait... oh what a relief! They are both up and
on their feet, but I'm afraid several of those horses are done for. What a
terrible loss!

Impactus Infrenatus and Lupus in Fabula have safely made their way around the
far turn now, and here they come! It's just a two chariot race now, and they
both know they'll advance, so they're playing it safe. There's been enough
bloodshed on the track for one day. Now they're into the near side turn...
and it's Impactus Infrenatus out in front! And at the finish it's Impactus
Infrenatus!

Impactus Infrenatus and Lupus in Fabula advance to the semifinals!

That's it for today folks! I'll see you right back here tomorrow for MORE
EXCITING RACING!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15918 From: Gnaeus Octavius Noricus Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day VI
>> From Veneta, we have Impactus Infrenatus, driven by Concordius
>> and owned by Gnaeus Octavius Noricus.

Oh no!! This can't be true... it's some Veneta conspiracy!
I have never sent in a chariot for the Veneta faction. I am a proud member of Factio Albata!
Maybe Veneta wanted to doctor the records so my driver's foreseeable glorious victory was counted as theirs!
They must have re-painted my chariot while my driver was meditating and gathering strength!

> Impactus Infrenatus and Lupus in Fabula advance to the semifinals!

Another outstanding job by my driver! I'll pay him a two weeks vacation in Baiae after the races... if he paints my chariot white again and gets the authorities to acknowledge that he was really racing for Albata, that is.

I must say, these machinations are outrageous! It's a red-blue conspiracy! Green drivers are murdered on a daily basis, and my chariot has been disfigured with blue colour!
Something must be done!

--
Optime vale!

Gnaeus Octavius Noricus
cn.octavius.noricus@...
22.10.2003 23:36:40
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15919 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Re: CALLING FOR THE COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBUTA - Comitiorum Plebis Trib
G. Iulius Scaurus L. Didio Gemino Sceptio salutem dicit.

Salve, L. Didius Gemine.

Since I do not want to reprise the question of whether it is
appropriate for a patrician to comment on the activities of the
Comitia Plebis Tributa, let me put this simply as a historian without
respect to ordo. Auspices were _never_ taken for the Comitia Plebis
Tributa, nor were opening prayers said in Roma antiqua. The reason
for this is that there were neither plebeian curule magistrates nor
plebeian priests and augurs at the time of the establishment of the
Comitia Plebis Tributa. Only a curule magistrate may take auspicia
impetrativa publica for a comitia or delegate their taking to another.
Tribuni Plebis are not curule magistrates. Current NR law implies
that auspicia impetrativa publica should be taken for all the comitia
by the use of the term "nuntiatio, which refers to declaring a day
inauspicious on the basis of auspicia impetrativa. The word should be
"obnuntiatio," which refers to the the right of an augur to announce
that inauspicious auspicia oblativa have been observed on the day of
the comitia (an auspicium oblativum is a sign which is not explicitly
sought, but which comes unbidden, e.g., lightning or thunder on the
morning of a comitia -- an auspicium impetrativa is a sign sought by
formally taking the auspices). However, the presiding magistrate of
the comitia, curule or not, had the right to refuse the declaration of
obnuntiatio (with the consequences, including a possible prosecution
for impiety, falling on his head if things went seriously awry as a
result of the comitia). We know the mos maiorum on this issue:
auspices were never taken, nor opening prayers said, for a meeting of
the Comitia Plebis Tributa. We should follow the mos maiorum.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15920 From: Alejandro Carneiro Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: On Ludi
After the last slaughter in the circus, I´m thinking to add rules
about bodyguards for the next ludi changing the rules on murders and
sabotages. Several novoroman citizens are really evil in the races
and the other players need help ;-)

I´ll too add rules about curse tables for increasing the fun (I hope).

It´ll be my last gift before leaving the post.

Though it´s possible that we have a computer game soon. Maybe.


Salix Galaicus
Scriba ludorum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15921 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Roman Portraits from Egypt
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Roman Portraits from Egypt":

http://www.bergerfoundation.ch/Fayoum/

This site provides an extraordinary number of detailed photographs of
Roman sacrophagus portrait paintings from Fayyum (cieck on the text
beneath the portrait) as well as two lectures on Roman portrait
painting in French.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15922 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Roman Ship answers questions
Salve,

A brief article on a Roman ship found in the Netherlands.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/dutch_roman_dc

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15923 From: ames0826@cs.com Date: 2003-10-22
Subject: Re: NR PowerPoint Presentation(was Recruiting Presentation)
Ave omnes:

This presentation could include something about our aspirations to be a real territorial entity and our recent acquisition of some land (it's in Texas, isn't it?).

Vale,

Lucius Aeneas Apollonius Nauta

"Charlie Collins" <deist@...> wrote:

> Salve,
>nbsp; What I was thinking about was a presentation that
>would just be an intro to NR. Like how and when NR was formed. That our
>formof government is
>based on Republican Rome and how our leadership
>is organized. What we are and what we are not(a
>roleplaying game!}. Other area's could be the Tax/
>Membership structure, the Ludi, and Religio Romana, Election's and how they
>are held, and
>more.
>nbsp;nbsp; I see a mixture of photo's and text. Once such a program is made it
>copies could be made available
>to those who need it.
>nbsp;nbsp; If anyone else has got any idea's jump right on in
>the discussion.
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15924 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Latina and Concordius in Love?
Salvete!

After a long day of repainting the Impactus Infrenatus chariot white again
with her Albata teammate Concordius (over a few liters of wine of course),
Latina has shined up her Hades Chariot and is ready to go!
http://aediles.novaroma.org/albata/photo.htm Latina and Concordius were
enjoying each other's company just a bit *too much* last night (rubbing
white paint on eachother's bodies and then washing eachother off :-p).
Rumour has it that Concordius has promised to take Latina with him on that
two week vacation promised by Gnaeus Octavius Noricus.

Even worse, Concordius was heard saying to Latina 'You'd be so much prettier
without that dark-blue lipstick.' So Latina switched to a very pretty shade
of pink which matches her complection perfectly...

Get her in the races soon Aediles! Anymore of this and Latina will be
batting her eyelashes at the competition's drivers instead of whipping
them....

Valete,
Diana Moravia
Mentor of Latina & Owner of Hades Chariot
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15925 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Re: CALLING FOR THE COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBUTA - Comitiorum Plebis Trib
Salve Scaurus,

> Since I do not want to reprise the question of whether it is
> appropriate for a patrician to comment on the activities of the
> Comitia Plebis Tributa, let me put this simply as a historian without
> respect to ordo.

Your input is more than welcomed here especially since I posted the Lex
Moravia here for the input of all citizens and not just Plebeian citizens.
A Plebeian citizen has made similar comments on the CPT list.

In Ancient Rome, the Gods were part of everyone's daily lives and so even if
the auspices were not officially asked for, I am sure that everyone was
paying attention to whether there were bad omens or not. Here it is quite
different and I find that many magistrates totally ignore our Gods and don't
even check the calendar when calling for a vote or a contio. Sometimes it is
even announced that the auspices are good when the magistate has not taken
them and have not requested that the Collegium Augurum do so on their
behalf. This is my religion and I don't find 'play acting' with our Gods
humourous. I respect everyone's religious beliefs and I admit that I expect
the same courtesy in return. I doubt that our devout Catholic citizens would
laugh if on Good Friday, I announced that I changed bread into the Body of
Christ and that we would have a wild party afterwards that is approved by
Jesus.

I am willing to remove the 'mandatory' auspices part, so I am wondering if
instead I could include that when there is a call to vote it is mandatory
for the Plebeian magistrates to include a listing of the days which are (and
are not) appropriate for voting according to the Religio? This way, the Gods
are clearly remembered without the CPT going against the mos maiorum.

What does everyone think? Unlike my colleague Sceptius <blatant snotty
comment> when I ask for input I am willing to change my lex so that citizens
who are kind enough to read it in detail and comment, do not waste hours of
their time.

Vale,
Diana Moravia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15926 From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Re: NR PowerPoint Presentation(was Recruiting Presentation)
And it should include an explanation of the Religio Romana, and its impact on Nova Roma. This to me is essential.

G. Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 10/22/2003 9:30:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ames0826@... writes:

> This presentation could include something about our aspirations to be a real territorial entity and our recent
> acquisition of some land (it's in Texas, isn't it?).
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15927 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Re: What our friend did NOT tell us about the true cause for the mu
Hum...

This is an empty acusation. Russata always plays at the side of Pax
et Concordia.

It is true that praesina HYBRIS has reached the skies and the gods on
their wisdow decided its punishment.

If it was supposed to be an couple of Russata against the insidious
Greens, we would be much more sucessful.

If Russata wanted a witch to accurse Praesina, we wouldn´t try to
smash her with a chariot, but simple CONTRACT her to do the job!

I have the personal feeling that some mad green is doing all the job
just to accuse the reds! You know, madness is a divine punishment
very common on the Mytology Legends.

BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF OCTOBER, GREENS... OPS, IT HAS ALREADY PASSED!


Vale,
Faustus




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, TiAnO <tiberius_ann@y...> wrote:
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Only a few minutes after the 'real cause for the murders' was
published, one of my spies came in and told me of the following
findings:
> After the incident with the green wagon, I went down a small side
alley to visit some old friends of mine. Turning around a corner, I
saw the green chariot standing in the street and two men next to it.
As I went by, I noticed that the green colour had started coming off,
in the places, where it had hit marketing stalls and people! Under
the green colour, I very clearly saw RED!!!! At the same time, I
noticed that one of the two men, the driver, had just received a big
bag, which clinked as if there was money in it. I decided to get out
of there as fast as possible and bring the fact to the notice of the
necessary officials.
>
> So much to the account of my spy. The necessary conclusion is: THIS
IS NOT A CURSE OR FATE, IT IS A CONSPIRATION BY THE REDS!!!!!!!
>
> I immediately sent notice to the officials concerned and demanded
that the necessary steps be taken. On such proof, only one sanction
can be accepted: RUSSATA MUST BE TAKEN OUT OF THE RACES!!!!!!!!!
>
> Valete bene, TiAnO
>
>
>
>
> Tiberius Annaeus Otho (TiAnO) Factio Praesina
> Lictor curiatus
> Translator linguae Germanicae
> Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
> Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
> Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
> Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15928 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Another cause for green murders
Salvete,

My aedilitian intelligence have just sent me a pretty report much
better than any esoteric cause.

THIS IS ALL A CONSPIRATION AGAINST RUSSATA!

I shall explain.

A evil mind (I will call him Dr. Evil) has done all the plot against
Russata, BUT DR. EVIL IS DALTONIC!

So, Dr. Evil said to his sicarii... ´GO MURDER ALL THESE DAMN
RUSSATOS, THESE DAMNED GREEN CHARIOTERS OF RUSSATA!´

And the murders are on the road, killing all the real greens. But the
real victims are supposed to be the reds.


VALE,
Faustus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
<lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> Hum...
>
> This is an empty acusation. Russata always plays at the side of Pax
> et Concordia.
>
> It is true that praesina HYBRIS has reached the skies and the gods
on
> their wisdow decided its punishment.
>
> If it was supposed to be an couple of Russata against the insidious
> Greens, we would be much more sucessful.
>
> If Russata wanted a witch to accurse Praesina, we wouldn´t try to
> smash her with a chariot, but simple CONTRACT her to do the job!
>
> I have the personal feeling that some mad green is doing all the
job
> just to accuse the reds! You know, madness is a divine punishment
> very common on the Mytology Legends.
>
> BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF OCTOBER, GREENS... OPS, IT HAS ALREADY
PASSED!
>
>
> Vale,
> Faustus
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, TiAnO <tiberius_ann@y...> wrote:
> > Salvete omnes,
> >
> > Only a few minutes after the 'real cause for the murders' was
> published, one of my spies came in and told me of the following
> findings:
> > After the incident with the green wagon, I went down a small side
> alley to visit some old friends of mine. Turning around a corner, I
> saw the green chariot standing in the street and two men next to
it.
> As I went by, I noticed that the green colour had started coming
off,
> in the places, where it had hit marketing stalls and people! Under
> the green colour, I very clearly saw RED!!!! At the same time, I
> noticed that one of the two men, the driver, had just received a
big
> bag, which clinked as if there was money in it. I decided to get
out
> of there as fast as possible and bring the fact to the notice of
the
> necessary officials.
> >
> > So much to the account of my spy. The necessary conclusion is:
THIS
> IS NOT A CURSE OR FATE, IT IS A CONSPIRATION BY THE REDS!!!!!!!
> >
> > I immediately sent notice to the officials concerned and demanded
> that the necessary steps be taken. On such proof, only one sanction
> can be accepted: RUSSATA MUST BE TAKEN OUT OF THE RACES!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Valete bene, TiAnO
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Tiberius Annaeus Otho (TiAnO) Factio Praesina
> > Lictor curiatus
> > Translator linguae Germanicae
> > Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
> > Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
> > Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
> > Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt
> >
> >
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15929 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: LUDI PLEBEIAN MUNERA - SUBSCRIPTION OPEN!
LUDI PLEBEIAN

GLADIATOR GAME







"Our ancestors, O judges, ordained that the sacred rites of Ceres should be performed with the very strictest religious reverence and the greatest solemnity;"

M. Tullius Cicero, Pro Flacco





OVERVIEW: For the greater glory of Nova Roma, enlightening of our people, and satisfaction of Mother Ceres, the Plebeain Ludi this year is granting a great Muneria Gladiatoria opened to all citizens.



SUBSCRIPTIONS

Until 4th november!!!!!



You must send a email to Aedile L. Arminius Faustus (lafaustus@...) with the subject: ‘PLEBEIAN MUNERA’ with the following:



a) Roman Name

b) Province

c) Gladiator Name (please, choose new gladiators for this game! And don´t get so involved with them, he may not survive)

d) Type of Gladiator (Retiarius, Murmillo, Samnite, Thracian, Essedarius) – This will gaive a automatically natural technique to fight.

e) Fighting Chosen Technique (Aggressive, Defensive and Evasive) – the roman player must keep strict secret the way he addressed to its fighter and it will have bonus depending on the adversary. See the rules below.





“This fault appears not only in the matter of buildings, but also in the shows given by magistrates, whether of gladiators in the forum or of plays on the stage. Here neither delay nor postponement is permissible, but the necessities of the case require that everything should be ready at a fixed time,--the seats for the audience, the awning drawn over them, and whatever, in accordance with the customs of the stage, is provided by machinery to please the eye of the people. These matters require careful thought and planning by a well trained intellect; for none of them can be accomplished without machinery, and without hard study skilfully applied in various ways.”



Vitruvius Pollio, The Ten Books on Architecture





WINNERS

The winner will gain a spectacular reward and glory on a virtual monument on the Aediles Site.







GLADIATOR FIGHT - RULES







Many thanks to G. Galerius Peregrinator and P. Tarquitius Rufus for the help.







I - Types of Gladiators



a) Retiarius: fast gladiator, almost naked, armed with a web and a

trident.



b) Murmillo : very common kind of gladiator, wore a helmet with

the form of a fish and a leather hood, galerum. He uses a heavy sword and a shield.



c) Samnite : carried a sword and shield. The samnite is dressed

like the ancient Samnite warriors defeated by Rome.



d) Thracian : very popular gladiator. Carried a round buckler

and a dagger.



e) Essedarius (chariot-fighter) : the essedarius comes in a bigae

and throws spears.





“By far the greatest sight in the procession was the captured armour, and so magnificent were the pieces considered that the gilded shields were distributed amongst the owners of the silversmiths' shops to adorn the Forum. This is said to be the origin of the custom of the aediles decorating the Forum when the symbols of three Capitoline deities are conducted in procession through the City on the occasion of the Great Games. Whilst the Romans made use of this armour to honour the gods, the Campanians, out of contempt and hatred towards the Samnites, made the gladiators who performed at their banquets wear it, and they then called them `Samnites.'”

Livy, History of Rome, BOOK IX: B.C. 321-304: THE SECOND SAMNITE WAR





II - FIGHTING TECHNIQUES:



a) AGRESSIVE FIGHT : this technique relies on heavy and violent

attacks caring little with defence.



b) EVASIVE FIGHT : this technique relies on speed, constant

escaping, and hit and run.



c) DEFENSIVE FIGHT : this technique relies on defence with

shield to block attacks. The fighter is very defensive, cautious, and fights with precision.





“ Aedilis praeter comitium ac forum basilicasque etiam Capitolium ornauit porticibus ad tempus extructis, in quibus abundante rerum copia pars apparatus exponeretur. uenationes autem ludosque et cum collega et separatim edidit, quo factum est, ut communium quoque inpensarum solus gratiam caperet nec dissimularet collega eius Marcus Bibulus, euenisse sibi quod Polluci: ut enim geminis fratribus aedes in foro constituta tantum Castoris uocaretur, ita suam Caesarisque munificentiam unius Caesaris dici. Adiecit insuper Caesar etiam gladiatorium munus, sed aliquanto paucioribus quam destinauerat paribus; nam cum multiplici undique familia conparata inimicos exterruisset, cautum est de numero gladiatorum, quo ne maiorem cuiquam habere Romae liceret “



G. Suetonius Tranquillus, De Vita Caesarum - LIBER I: DIVVS IVLIVS







III - BONUS:



This rule is like the scissor-paper-stone game, and depending on the manner of fighting the fighter gets a bonus.



a) AGRESSIVE has bonus over DEFENSIVE: the defensive fighter cannot stand all the blows from an agressive fighter



b) DEFENSIVE has bonus over EVASIVE: the evasive fighter is less effective than the aggressive and defensive, but his studied attacks can pick the evasive fighter in mid movement.



c) EVASIVE has bonus over AGRESSIVE: the agressive fighter who attacks all the time is open to hits from a fast evasive fighter.







IV - NATURAL TECHNIQUE AND CHOSEN TECHNIQUE:





The Murmillo and The Thracian are AGRESSIVE.



The Retiarius and The Essedarius are EVASIVE.



The Samnite is DEFENSIVE.



A fighter can choose a different technique for fighting to trap the adversary, and he is free to choose and his choice is kept secret. The natural technique and the chosen technique will be added up for bonus score.





V - THE WOUND RULE



A ´round´ of fight would start by throwing a dice for each player, then bonus is added. The higher value corresponds to the size of wound inflicted.

The fighter who is wounded three times falls. If the difference between total wounds is just one, the public gives mercy to the fallen warrior or thumbs down (or up).

















Vale bene in pacem deorum




L. Arminius Faustus

Senior Plebeian Aedile, Quaestor,

Interpreter (lingua lusitaniae), Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae.

Visit my office at http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/index.html



"I too in words could fight even Immortals..."

Iliad, Homer, book XX

The answer of Hector about Achilles' speeches.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15930 From: L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Re: [ComitiaPlebisTributa] Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: CALLING FOR THE COMI
Salve Moravia Aventina et quirites
----- Original Message -----
From: Diana Moravia Aventina
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com ; ComitiaPlebisTributa@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 11:24 AM
Subject: [ComitiaPlebisTributa] Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: CALLING FOR THE COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBUTA - Comitiorum Plebis Tributorum Convoc


Salve Scaurus,

> Since I do not want to reprise the question of whether it is
> appropriate for a patrician to comment on the activities of the
> Comitia Plebis Tributa, let me put this simply as a historian without
> respect to ordo.

<Your input is more than welcomed here especially since I posted the Lex
Moravia here for the input of all citizens and not just Plebeian citizens.
A Plebeian citizen has made similar comments on the CPT list.>


SCEPTIVS: Illustrious colleague, I thought a Patrician couldn't be involved in the writting of laws for Plebeian citizens. I'm glad you have changed your mind about it. :-)
<In Ancient Rome, the Gods were part of everyone's daily lives and so even if
the auspices were not officially asked for, I am sure that everyone was
paying attention to whether there were bad omens or not. Here it is quite
different and I find that many magistrates totally ignore our Gods and don't
even check the calendar when calling for a vote or a contio. Sometimes it is
even announced that the auspices are good when the magistate has not taken
them and have not requested that the Collegium Augurum do so on their
behalf. This is my religion and I don't find 'play acting' with our Gods
humourous. I respect everyone's religious beliefs and I admit that I expect
the same courtesy in return. I doubt that our devout Catholic citizens would
laugh if on Good Friday, I announced that I changed bread into the Body of
Christ and that we would have a wild party afterwards that is approved by
Jesus.>

SCEPTIVS: If you wish to check in http://www.novaroma.org/calendar/october.html, you would find I have made an appropiate calling to vote as the days are dies comitiales and so then I have followed *strictily* all the religious procedures. I don't ignore Gods, if you ment that, and I have not state "auspices are good, lets go" or better said "cum bona alite".

It is also *My* religion and I don't play humourously like a role player. I take Gods seriously, and I also respect the private contract all citizens have to their Gods as I expect them to respect my private contract with them. Being no rule about asking auspices for calling the CPT, I feel I have been too pious and respectfull to our Gods but no lack of accuracy to our Ancients.

Then I ask humbly to our Augur if it would be needed and therefore I'll withdraw my law until auspices are taken and favourable. If not, Contio will follow intact and voting procedures shall start on Monday 27th of October.

<I am willing to remove the 'mandatory' auspices part, so I am wondering if
instead I could include that when there is a call to vote it is mandatory
for the Plebeian magistrates to include a listing of the days which are (and
are not) appropriate for voting according to the Religio? This way, the Gods
are clearly remembered without the CPT going against the mos maiorum.>


SCEPTIVS: I don't mind that part of including the list of comitialis dies needed to make all known if we can act in our Res Publica, although any magistrate who cares can find them in the link I have given up this paragraph. I think it is really very good idea, Moravia Aventina. What I mind is, as Umbrius Ursus has said, is the problem of having a patrician taking auspices for us. I think (Just an suggestion) you could include the idea of religious procedence of the Tribunes given by the plebeians; it means, when a Tribune is ellected, he is invested of Sacred powers, including the will of calling the Comitia, and therefore he is under the Gods protection. That was historical. :-)

<What does everyone think? Unlike my colleague Sceptius <blatant snotty
comment> when I ask for input I am willing to change my lex so that citizens
who are kind enough to read it in detail and comment, do not waste hours of
their time.>


SCEPTIVS: Dear Moravia Aventina, I had alter by adding or removing my law several times since I wrote my inicial draft. It has been always done when Latin sounded awful (many times) or some idea was wrong (as I discovered after thinking twice later on a discussion or looking the Constitutional Frame we have). It means I have to accept all changes without strong arguments? Not really. I have defended the way it is written and the purpose it has when a suggestion has been done and I don't believe (reasoning it) it is going to add a better thing. It doesn't mean this law can't be better improve. Lets people think about during the Contio.


vale bene in pace deorum,

L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
TRIBVNVS·PLEBIS

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15931 From: TiAnO Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Re: What our friend did NOT tell us about the truecause for the mur
Salve Gn. Equiti Marine,

I will gladly answer any questions you have to me!!

However, I sincerely hope, that this will remain a GAME and that nobody will take anything of this personal because all of it is, in the end, IMAGINATION.

Valete bene, TiAnO

Bill Gawne <gawne@...> wrote:
These are serious charges. As such I request and require you and the
caput of the Russata faction to both appear before me. We will investigate
your claims, and Russata will have the opportunity to answer these charges.
In the meantime, the races will continue with a stern admonition to all
members of the Russata faction that they immediately desist in any actions
directed against Praesina or any other faction.

-- Gn. Equitius Marinus


Tiberius Annaeus Otho (TiAnO) Factio Praesina
Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15932 From: L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Question about the LEX DIDIA GEMINA...
Salvete omnes.

May I ask to the citizenry what do they understand by "On behalf of"?? It is an expression I thought worthy for "In her/his own" and then I mantain it as such in the law. Maybe my english is quite wrong, so I'd like to know the answer of the citizenry.

On the other hand, I'd like to remember that being under the eyes of the plebeian citizens, I wish to know if there is any flow or principle against our Constitutio. We are in the Contio and I'd like to know it before voting, even when last two weeks many citizens have helped me on it.

Finally I'd like to remember the opening of the Cista for 18.00 Roman time Monday the 27th of October.

vale bene in pace deorum,

L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
TRIBVNVS·PLEBIS

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15933 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Re: CALLING FOR THE COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBUTA - Comitiorum Plebis Trib
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia Aventina"
<diana@p...> wrote:
> Salve Scaurus,
>
> > Since I do not want to reprise the question of whether it is
> > appropriate for a patrician to comment on the activities of the
> > Comitia Plebis Tributa, let me put this simply as a historian without
> > respect to ordo.
>
> Your input is more than welcomed here especially since I posted the Lex
> Moravia here for the input of all citizens and not just Plebeian
citizens.
> A Plebeian citizen has made similar comments on the CPT list.

Salve Diana,

Since you've opened it up to anyone's input, just my 2 scesteres worth:

While the taking of auspices for the Plebian Assembly is not
historical, I think it is an innovation that is well within the spirit
of the mos maiorum vis a vis the honoring of the dieties of Rome. I
have far less of a problem with a departure from the historical norms
in the name of piety (even if it is a piety that I do not share)than a
departure from the historical norms that goes against piety.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15934 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Re: What our friend did NOT tell us about the truecause for the mur
Salve Tiberius Anneaus,

TiAnO wrote:
> Salve Gn. Equiti Marine,
>
> I will gladly answer any questions you have to me!!
>
> However, I sincerely hope, that this will remain a GAME

Yes, my friend, it will.

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15935 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day VII
Hello race fans! Welcome back to the seventh day of qualifying
races for the Ludi Victoria championship! As always, we have
another great lineup for your pleasure and entertainment today!

The sitting duck faction, also known as Praesina, will try to
get a live driver to the starting line today in the chariot
Raptor Cruentus, driven by Caius Iulius Zosimus and owned
by Gaius Iulius Scaurus. I have it from a reliable source that
Zosimus has been praying pretty hard today, and he's wearing
more armor than a Samnite centurion.

The faction everybody loves to hate, Russassassin, er Russata,
brings two chariots into today's race. You can all guess
what kind of dirty tricks and teamwork THAT implies coming up
in the race, because we all know those Russata drivers will
stoop to any measure that gets them into the semifinals.
(Speculations about their other reasons for bending over are
running rife, but better left unsaid.)

The first Russata chariot in today's race is Fulminatora,
driven by Remus and owned by Sextus Arminius Remus.

The other Russata chariot is Metella Maxima, driven by
Aegeus and owned by Lucius Arminius Metellus.

The Albata faction is not represented today, as they
are still investigating the strange business of an
Albata chariot somehow ending up in the Veneta stables.

Veneta is represented in today's race by Fortuna (or
so they hope), driven by Felix fortunatus and owned
by Roscia Annaea Pia.

Oh look. It's a messenger from the Praesina guards.
Whatever do you suppose this might be? Huh?
Gosh, this is getting old...

Why I'm shocked, simply shocked. I bet it's a surprise
to absolutely no one that this fine young man has just
informed me of another villanous act committed against
the Praesina faction. The chariot, Raptor Cruentus, has
been found sabotaged as the horses were being harnessed
to it. The good news is that Zosimus is OK, and there
was no assassination attempt against him. I guess that
armor made his chariot a more inviting target. Pity
those special guards seem impotent against the continued
attacks.

So it's going to be two reds and a blue in the race
now. I guess the real question is whether or not Felix
Fortunatus can find a way to break through the double
teaming trickery of the red drivers. I don't know about
the rest of you, but today I'm a Veneta fan.

Now they're in the starting gates... Here's the signal...
And THEY'RE OFF!

Out in front it's Fulminatora going for the inside. Beside
and on the outside it's the other red chariot Metella Maxima.
Fortuna is close behind, as Felix Fortunatus jockeys for
position. Felix knows what he has to do if there's any chance
of him passing that phalanx of red up there, and he's ready
to jump into a gap if it comes.

Around the far turn now, they're coming into the backstretch.
Would you look at that! What has happened to Fulminatora?!?
The red chariot on the outside is in trouble. It looks like
the yoke has broken! There's a big splinter of wood dragging
into the dirt, and Remus is bringing his team to a halt!

Felix Fortunatus is around the damaged Fulminatora now, and
charging to close the gap with Metella Maxima. It's Metella
Maxima into the final turn with Fortuna close behind...
And at the finish line it's Metella Maxima first! But Fortuna
comes in second and will advance to the semifinals!

Be back here tomorrow folks! It's the final qualifying
round before the semifinals, and it's going to be a grudge
match! Two reds versus two greens! And one of those reds
is owned by Senior Consul Quintilianus! Don't miss it!


--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15936 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Delay in messages getting through?
A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
greetings.

I've been finding recently that I only receive
main-list messages in my e-mail inbox a day or even
two days later than they appear on the yahoogroups
website; I'm not having this delay in other yahoo
lists.

Is anyone else having the same trouble?

________________________________________________________________________
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Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15937 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest
Due to problems with Yahoo delaying e-mail, I will not post
the answers to yesterday's trivia questions until tomorrow.

--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile
My Curule Aedile website is http://www.pha.jhu.edu/~gawne/ca.html
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15938 From: rory12001 Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Re: Another cause for green murders
Ha! Show us this myth "Magister Malus" produce him here for us all
to see.
Until then I say his name is RUSSATA whose true name is
FACTIO SANGUINARIA!!!

vale P. Fabia Vera - Factio Praesina

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
<lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> My aedilitian intelligence have just sent me a pretty report much
> better than any esoteric cause.
>
> THIS IS ALL A CONSPIRATION AGAINST RUSSATA!
>
> I shall explain.
>
> A evil mind (I will call him Dr. Evil) has done all the plot
against
> Russata, BUT DR. EVIL IS DALTONIC!
>
> So, Dr. Evil said to his sicarii... ´GO MURDER ALL THESE DAMN
> RUSSATOS, THESE DAMNED GREEN CHARIOTERS OF RUSSATA!´
>
> And the murders are on the road, killing all the real greens. But
the
> real victims are supposed to be the reds.
>
>
> VALE,
> Faustus
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
> <lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> > Hum...
> >
> > This is an empty acusation. Russata always plays at the side of
Pax
> > et Concordia.
> >
> > It is true that praesina HYBRIS has reached the skies and the
gods
> on
> > their wisdow decided its punishment.
> >
> > If it was supposed to be an couple of Russata against the
insidious
> > Greens, we would be much more sucessful.
> >
> > If Russata wanted a witch to accurse Praesina, we wouldn´t try to
> > smash her with a chariot, but simple CONTRACT her to do the job!
> >
> > I have the personal feeling that some mad green is doing all the
> job
> > just to accuse the reds! You know, madness is a divine punishment
> > very common on the Mytology Legends.
> >
> > BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF OCTOBER, GREENS... OPS, IT HAS ALREADY
> PASSED!
> >
> >
> > Vale,
> > Faustus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, TiAnO <tiberius_ann@y...> wrote:
> > > Salvete omnes,
> > >
> > > Only a few minutes after the 'real cause for the murders' was
> > published, one of my spies came in and told me of the following
> > findings:
> > > After the incident with the green wagon, I went down a small
side
> > alley to visit some old friends of mine. Turning around a corner,
I
> > saw the green chariot standing in the street and two men next to
> it.
> > As I went by, I noticed that the green colour had started coming
> off,
> > in the places, where it had hit marketing stalls and people!
Under
> > the green colour, I very clearly saw RED!!!! At the same time, I
> > noticed that one of the two men, the driver, had just received a
> big
> > bag, which clinked as if there was money in it. I decided to get
> out
> > of there as fast as possible and bring the fact to the notice of
> the
> > necessary officials.
> > >
> > > So much to the account of my spy. The necessary conclusion is:
> THIS
> > IS NOT A CURSE OR FATE, IT IS A CONSPIRATION BY THE REDS!!!!!!!
> > >
> > > I immediately sent notice to the officials concerned and
demanded
> > that the necessary steps be taken. On such proof, only one
sanction
> > can be accepted: RUSSATA MUST BE TAKEN OUT OF THE RACES!!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > > Valete bene, TiAnO
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Tiberius Annaeus Otho (TiAnO) Factio Praesina
> > > Lictor curiatus
> > > Translator linguae Germanicae
> > > Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
> > > Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
> > > Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
> > > Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15939 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-23
Subject: Aoife's Report concerning the captured assassin
Salvete Quirites,

As some of you may know, my charioteer, Aoife, is a woman from
the wilds of western Brittania. Since she is out of the
current round of races, and won't be driving in competition
again until the Ludi Plebii, I asked her if she'd be interested
in helping with the investigation into the attacks against
the Praesina faction.

This is her report:

"Since you asked so nicely, I went to the cell where the nasty little
assassin was being held and took over the questioning from the Praesina
guards. I'm afraid they'd damaged him a fair lot before I got there,
and that did limit somewhat the methods I was able to use.

"I had him bathed, fed, and clothed in a fresh tunic. This put him
in a better frame of mind, and I suppose he thought the gods were
going to smile on him. Poor fool. It's always better to give them a
bit of hope, and then take it away again, as my mother taught me, when
questioning captives.

"Once he was up for talking, I asked him who'd paid him to do the deed.
Of course he didn't want to tell me, so I up and cut off one of his
fingers. I have to say those guards are squeamish. There and they'd
been beating the man half the day, and they turned green when they
saw me go to work with the knife. Romans. I'll never understand you.

"So I had an iron brought in hot, and we cauterized his hand. When
he came around again I asked him again, and he said it was Franciscus
Apulus Caesar had paid him. So I cut off another finger.

"We went through it all again, and the next time he came to he swore
it was Marcus Minucius Audens. I told him he was a lying sack of horse
dung and cut off another finger.

"I think he knows he isn't going to get away with his life, and that
complicates things. But with a little luck we will get to a point
where he gives me the same name a few times in a row before he runs
out of digits.

"Don't think you're getting this for free. There'll be a price, and you
will pay it. But horse racing is a sacred thing where I come from, and
it's a shame to see these amadons trying to cheat their way to a win.

"Oh, before I forget, would you mind if I let Latina help me a bit?
The women from her tribe in Gaul do things a bit differently, and we
thought it'd be good to compare methods."

Aoife, riga Siluresii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15940 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: The Roman Army
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "The Roman Army":

http://webpages.charter.net/brueggeman/table-of-contents.html

Gary Brueggeman's extraordinarily detailed site on the Roman army is
unequalled in its attention to scholarly research and a practical
understanding of the military arts.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15941 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Re: Aoife's Report concerning the captured assassin
Salve Marinus,
Just in case you don't realize it, I am really having a good laugh with the
Chariot races! It's really a lot of fun (depsite all of the murders :-))
Well done to you and your colleague Franciscus and everyone else who is
involved!

Latina has just told me that it would be her pleasure to help her drinking
buddy Aiofe torture the accused assassin.
Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15942 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Lex Moravia de Senatus Renuntio
Salvete all,
As promised here is my second proposal which will be 'officially' presented to you all within a few days. In the meantime, the title may change because well, my Latin is awful :-((

This is a very simple proposal outlining what the Tribunes must include when reporting the Senate call to the people. At the moment, there are no rules as to what must be included. My thanks once again to the citizens of Nova Roma & the Plebeians of the Comitia Plebis Tributa list who made suggestions as to what they would like to see in the Tribune's reports. Again, comments are welcomed!

Valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina
Tribunus Plebis
__________________________________________
Lex Moravia de Senatus Renuntio

Preamble:
The purpose of this law is to define the procedures that the Tribunes shall follow when reporting the Senate meetings to the citizens of Nova Roma. The Tribunus Plebis shall hereby be referred to as the reporting Tribune.

I. Procedures for reporting the Senate's Call to order

A. The reporting Tribune) shall publish the agenda of the Senate's meeting in the Nova Roma and the Comitia Plebis Tributa fora within 72 hours of the presiding magistrate's call to order of the Senate.

B. Within this announcement to the people, the Tribune shall include:
i. The date that the Senate has been called to order as well as the date when voting shall begin and the date when voting shall end.
ii. A summary of the items on the Senate's agenda which shall be discussed and voted on
iii. Any additional comments that the reporting Tribune feels are necessary for the people's better understanding of the agenda.

II. Procedures for reporting the results of the Senate's meetings

A. The reporting Tribune shall report the results of the Senate meeting in the Nova Roma and the Comitia Plebis Tributa fora within 168 hours (7 days) of the close of voting of the Senate.

B. Within the report to the people, the Tribune shall include:
1. The date that the Senate was called to order as well as the date that voting began and the date that voting ended.
2. A list of the full names and initials of all Senators who voted.
3. The full name of the Senators who were empowered by fellow Senators to present his/her vote by proxy.
4. The full name of the Senators who did not vote.
5. The number of yes ('vti rogas') votes necessary in order for an agenda item to be passed

6. For each agenda item, the reporting Tribune shall include:
i. The full text of the agenda item
ii. Whether or not the agenda item was passed
iii. The initials of all voting Senators accompanied by their vote and comments (if any).
iv. Any additional comments that the reporting Tribune feels are necessary for the people's better understanding of the report.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15943 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Re: Question about the LEX DIDIA GEMINA...
Salve Sceptius,

<May I ask to the citizenry what do they understand by "On behalf of"?? It
is an expression I thought worthy for "In her/his <own" and then I mantain
it as such in the law. Maybe my english is quite wrong, so I'd like to know
the answer of the <citizenry.

'On behalf of' means 'de parte de' in Spanish. In English 'on behalf of'
means 'for' someone'. I hope this helps.

Vale,
Diana Moravia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15944 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Re: Aoife's Report concerning the captured assassin
Salve Diana,

> Just in case you don't realize it, I am really having a good laugh
with the
> Chariot races! It's really a lot of fun (depsite all of the
murders :-))
> Well done to you and your colleague Franciscus and everyone else
who is
> involved!

Thank you, Diana, for your fine words. "Depsite of the murders" :-),
I think we had two very fun ludi in the last months and never I have
seen a so large partecipation of Nova Romans and passion.
I wnat to thank you the Factiones and their promotional job.

> Latina has just told me that it would be her pleasure to help her
drinking
> buddy Aiofe torture the accused assassin.

I ask to the Factio Praesina to have one of the most important
virtues, the Pietas. Try to be champion in the life too and not
emulate the "little" killers. ;-)

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15945 From: Marcus Octavius Germanicus Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Re: Lex Moravia de Senatus Renuntio
Salve Tribune,

I'd like to suggest a change to your proposal:

> 6. For each agenda item, the reporting Tribune shall include:
> iii. The initials of all voting Senators accompanied by their vote and comments (if any).

Occasionally, the Senate would prefer that votes be anonymous. The last
time this occurred was in March of last year, when the Censores invited the
Senate to make a recommendation for the appointment of new Senators.
A list of six candidates was provided, each Senator picked three
and ranked his choices in a particular order, and the three candidates
with the most points were then considered to have the Senate's
recommendation.

At that time, I asked the Tribunes to report only on which candidates
had been successful, and to omit details of the final ranking in
order to prevent embarrassment to the unsuccessful candidates, and to
omit the reporting of individual votes so that those candidates would
not feel betrayed by any senator that they had expected might vote
for them, but did not. The Tribunes agreed, and the final report
indicated only the overall outcome, not the details.

I think it is best that the Tribunes have the ability to choose how
much information to make public. In most cases, everything will
be public - Senators generally do want our opinions to be known -
but when dealing with certain personal issues, such as appointments
and dismissals, this transparency will do more harm than good,
and the Tribunes should be able to make that decision as needed.

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus.
http://www.graveyards.com/
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15946 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Re: Lex Moravia de Senatus Renuntio
Salve Octavius,

> I'd like to suggest a change to your proposal:
Thank you for the input.

I'll make some changes to reflect what you've said and re-post it this
weekend (along with a new title for the proposal :-)

Vale,
Diana Moravia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15947 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: An important thing about Plebeian Munera
Salvete,

An important remind, on the Plebeian Munera, everyone can
participate, PATRICIANS AND PLEBEIANS!

Gladiators dead on Cerealia Munera cannot participate. They are dead.
(lol! Do you swear?)

Alas, if there would be a race on the Plebeian Ludi, murdered racers
on Ludi Victoria cannot participate... well, they are dead too!


Vale,
L. Arminius Faustus
Sole (atrox Fate!) Plebeian Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15948 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Re: Another cause for green murders
Hum... blood is red... RUSSATA ON THE VEINS!

Vale,
Faustus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@y...> wrote:
> Ha! Show us this myth "Magister Malus" produce him here for us all
> to see.
> Until then I say his name is RUSSATA whose true name is
> FACTIO SANGUINARIA!!!
>
> vale P. Fabia Vera - Factio Praesina
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
> <lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> > Salvete,
> >
> > My aedilitian intelligence have just sent me a pretty report much
> > better than any esoteric cause.
> >
> > THIS IS ALL A CONSPIRATION AGAINST RUSSATA!
> >
> > I shall explain.
> >
> > A evil mind (I will call him Dr. Evil) has done all the plot
> against
> > Russata, BUT DR. EVIL IS DALTONIC!
> >
> > So, Dr. Evil said to his sicarii... ´GO MURDER ALL THESE DAMN
> > RUSSATOS, THESE DAMNED GREEN CHARIOTERS OF RUSSATA!´
> >
> > And the murders are on the road, killing all the real greens. But
> the
> > real victims are supposed to be the reds.
> >
> >
> > VALE,
> > Faustus
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
> > <lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> > > Hum...
> > >
> > > This is an empty acusation. Russata always plays at the side of
> Pax
> > > et Concordia.
> > >
> > > It is true that praesina HYBRIS has reached the skies and the
> gods
> > on
> > > their wisdow decided its punishment.
> > >
> > > If it was supposed to be an couple of Russata against the
> insidious
> > > Greens, we would be much more sucessful.
> > >
> > > If Russata wanted a witch to accurse Praesina, we wouldn´t try
to
> > > smash her with a chariot, but simple CONTRACT her to do the job!
> > >
> > > I have the personal feeling that some mad green is doing all
the
> > job
> > > just to accuse the reds! You know, madness is a divine
punishment
> > > very common on the Mytology Legends.
> > >
> > > BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF OCTOBER, GREENS... OPS, IT HAS ALREADY
> > PASSED!
> > >
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > > Faustus
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, TiAnO <tiberius_ann@y...>
wrote:
> > > > Salvete omnes,
> > > >
> > > > Only a few minutes after the 'real cause for the murders' was
> > > published, one of my spies came in and told me of the following
> > > findings:
> > > > After the incident with the green wagon, I went down a small
> side
> > > alley to visit some old friends of mine. Turning around a
corner,
> I
> > > saw the green chariot standing in the street and two men next
to
> > it.
> > > As I went by, I noticed that the green colour had started
coming
> > off,
> > > in the places, where it had hit marketing stalls and people!
> Under
> > > the green colour, I very clearly saw RED!!!! At the same time,
I
> > > noticed that one of the two men, the driver, had just received
a
> > big
> > > bag, which clinked as if there was money in it. I decided to
get
> > out
> > > of there as fast as possible and bring the fact to the notice
of
> > the
> > > necessary officials.
> > > >
> > > > So much to the account of my spy. The necessary conclusion
is:
> > THIS
> > > IS NOT A CURSE OR FATE, IT IS A CONSPIRATION BY THE REDS!!!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > I immediately sent notice to the officials concerned and
> demanded
> > > that the necessary steps be taken. On such proof, only one
> sanction
> > > can be accepted: RUSSATA MUST BE TAKEN OUT OF THE RACES!!!!!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > Valete bene, TiAnO
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tiberius Annaeus Otho (TiAnO) Factio Praesina
> > > > Lictor curiatus
> > > > Translator linguae Germanicae
> > > > Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
> > > > Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
> > > > Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
> > > > Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15949 From: Gnaeus Salix Astur Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Re: The Roman Army
Salvete Quirites.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "g_iulius_scaurus" <gfr@w...> wrote:
> G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.
>
> Salvete, Quirites.
>
> Here's a link to "The Roman Army":
>
> http://webpages.charter.net/brueggeman/table-of-contents.html
>
> Gary Brueggeman's extraordinarily detailed site on the Roman army is
> unequalled in its attention to scholarly research and a practical
> understanding of the military arts.
>
> Valete, Quirites.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus

Brueggeman's site is most excellent. It has a lot of interesting
information, and several thought-provoking theories about the layout
of the Roman Army. This is one of my favourites sites, and I can not
stop recommending it to you all.

CN·SALIX·T·F·A·NEP·OVF·ASTVR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15950 From: Pat Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Re: [ComitiaPlebisTributa] Re: Re: CALLING FOR THE COMITIA PLEBIS T
Cassius Calvus wrote:
> > A Plebeian citizen has made similar comments on the CPT list.
>
>Salve Diana,
>
>Since you've opened it up to anyone's input, just my 2 scesteres worth:
>
>While the taking of auspices for the Plebian Assembly is not
>historical, I think it is an innovation that is well within the spirit
>of the mos maiorum vis a vis the honoring of the dieties of Rome. I
>have far less of a problem with a departure from the historical norms
>in the name of piety (even if it is a piety that I do not share)than a
>departure from the historical norms that goes against piety.
>
>Vale,
>
>Q. Cassius Calvus


Salvete,

Speaking as a devout adherent of the Gods, I would delight in giving them
at least all their due honor, as I stated on the CPT list (Diana Moravia's
reference above).

It is, however not historical. And it seems extremely odd to me that such
an idea would not have come to the ancient Romans, that such auspices would
be appropriate. Thus, I looked further at the issue.

It's not historical. It violates the mos maiorum to summarily require
auspices for the Comitia Plebis Tributa to vote. This is a rather radical
violation of the precedents of Rome. We don't know why it was as it
was. We do know that it was that way for a very, very long time, and the
Romans found it to be good and appropriate not to make such auguries
obligatory.

It also--potentially--has a political problem buried in it. I wish to be
very, very clear here that I am not making any suggestions about the
honesty or good character of NR's sole current augur.

That said, the requirement creates an obligation that gives an individual
(and, currently, a patrician) control over the actions of the plebian
assembly. Should such an individual find the proposals before the Comitia
Plebis Tributa offensive, the auguries might fail. And fail. And
fail. Bad omens, folks, give it up.

While I sincerely would like to see the religio fully honored and
respected, I think that this is an example where the possible unintended
consequences could be terribly destructive.

In short, I think that no action ought to be taken which might limit the
ability of the plebians to gather and vote. I tend to view the Senate as
having a natural inclination towards order, and more order--and the
plebians to represent chaos (in the most modern sense). The dynamic
balance of the two is crucial. Neither ought to be allowed to control or
overrun the other, for to do so violates the system and results in mob rule
or oppression, if not the destruction of the state.

I am, otherwise, completely comfortable with the tribune's proposal and
would be happy to see it call for formal invocations, sacrifices or other
appropriate gestures of piety.

Vale,

M. Umbrius Ursus

"No one gets rich quickly if he is honest." -- Menander
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15951 From: L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Temporary Withdrawal of LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA an
Ex Officio Tribunus Plebis Didie Geminii Scepti

I withdraw temporally my proposal and therefore I cancel the Contio in order to make easier to our Res Publica the voting procedures as far as Tribune Moravia Aventia is presenting two more proposals. She and I have agreed to Call for a new Contio on 30th of october; the Voting then shall start on 4th of november and finally shall it end on 12 of november, all comitiales dies. So we have six days more to discuss the laws before Contio.

On the other hand, my proposal will be as follows whith some changes which I hope will clarify the law:


*LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA*

I. IUS AGENDA CUM SENATU
(Concerning Calling the Senate.)

Any Tribunus Plebis may call the Senate to order as set in the Constitutio, article IV. VII.D.I and therefore follow the rules governing internal procedures of the Senatus as article V.F of the Constitution set.


II. IUS AUXILII LATIO
(Concerning Defending the Res Publica and the Citizenship.)

A. Since the Ius Auxilii Ferendi is a fundamental prerogative of a Tribunus Plebis as set in IV.7.A of our Constitutio, in order for an act of intercessio to be valid the following procedure must be followed whether it is requested by a citizen or by ex-officio.

1. When a Tribunus Plebis issues an intercessio, it must include, in a reasoned exposition in which the Tribunus shall include if the auxilium was requested or ex-officio, the following elements:


a. The official name(s) of the citizen(s) who has requested the Tribunus Plebis to issue the intercessio, or the official name(s) of the citizen(s) on whose behalf the Tribunus has provided auxilium ex officio.

b. The official name and office of the magistrate(s) against whose act(s) or acts the intercessio or auxilium has been interposed.

c. The article(s) of the Constitution or the leges violated by the magistrate's act(s).

2. If the intecessio of a Tribunus Plebis does not include these three elements, the intercessio shall be invalid. The time constraints of the Lex Labiena de Intercessione shall continue to hold such that, if a new intercessio is not issued before the seventy-two hour limit, counted from the act(s) which occasioned the original intercessio, the Tribunus Plebis shall issue no new intercessio pertaining to that act(s).

3. When a Tribunus Plebis issues an intercessio against the act(s) of another Tribunus Plebis, it must include the following elements:

a. The official name and office of the Tribuni Plebis against whose act(s) that intercessio is interposed.

b. The article(s) of the Constitution or the leges violated by the Tribunus Plebis' act(s).

4. If the intecessio of a Tribunus Plebis does not include these two elements, the intercessio shall be invalid. The time constraints of the Lex Labiena de Intercessione shall continue to hold such that, if a new intercessio is not issued before the seventy-two hour limit, counted from the act(s) which occasioned the original intercessio, the Tribunus Plebis shall issue no new intercessio pertaining to that act(s).

5. When a Tribunus Plebis shall issue an intercessio or provide auxilium, the procedures for ratification or voiding by the other Tribuni Plebis specified in the Lex Labiena de Intercessione shall be followed. There shall be no requirement that a Tribunus Plebis issue any statement on the matter at hand except agreement or disagreement with the original intercessio/auxilium.

B. When administering the law in accordance with Article IV.A.7.d.iii of the Constitution, a Tribunus Plebis must adjudicate in accordance with current law and the iurisprudentia established by the Praetore and serve the interests of the Plebs and the citizens of Nova Roma.

C. Resolving Disputes Among the Plebs.

A Tribunus Plebis shall arbitrate disputes between plebeian citizens if the parties involved so agree. If any party shall refuse to agree to such arbitration, the Tribunus Plebis shall refer the matter to the Praetor for adjudication under the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria. If the parties agree to arbitration by a Tribunus Plebis, they shall accept the decision of the Tribunus and may not seek further relief under the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria.The Tribunus Plebis who shall arbitrate the dispute will be chosen by an agreement of the parties. If there is no agreement, the oldest Tribunus Plebis will arbitrate the dispute.


III. TRIBUNICIA POTESTAS.
(Concerning the Defence of the Tribunus Plebis)

The office of Tribunus Plebis is sacred in the Republic and endowed on this account with the following powers:

A. Summa Coercendi Potestas.

Any citizen or magistrate who interferes with the official action(s) of a Tribunus Plebis activity shall be fined by that Tribunus with a multa pecuniaria of no more than thirty U.S. dollars ($30.00), paid to the treasury of Nova Roma and devoted to Ceres. Such a penalty cannot be suspended or revoked except by intercessio of another Tribunus Plebis, or Praetorial appraisal which should permit the fined citizen has further recourse at law under the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria. The right of provocatio will be respected as Article II.B.5 of the constitution states.


B. Potestas Sacrosancta.

Any citizen or magistrate who shall do violence to a Tribunus Plebis in the course of his official duties or refuse to abide by a legal exercise of intercessio shall be brought before the Praetores and judged in accordance with the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria. The severity of the poena shall be determined in the Praetor's formula in accordance with the severity of the offence. The trial for this offence should be completed within sixty days of submission of the petitio actionis to the Praetor by the Tribunus Plebis, respecting Praetor's use of his discretion on dates. Completion of the term of office of the actor Tribunus Plebis shall not affect trial for an offence for which petitio actionis has been filed prior to the completion of that Tribunus Plebis' term.



vale bene in pace deorum,



L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
TRIBVNVS·PLEBIS


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15952 From: Alejandro Carneiro Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Opinion of the creator of the race rules
Avete omnes!

More than two years ago, Aedilis Curulis Fabius Quintilianus asked
me for a few rules to do funny races for the citizenship.
The religious or "serious aspect" of the races was not the aim of my
rules, because they were not any more than a little distraction
inside the roman celebrations.
Sadly, like in the imperial age, in NR the races became the main
center of the celebrations and now the four factiones have logos,
webs and lists. Maybe we´re further neronians than austere
republicans ;-)

The "Dirty actions" were created in the third or fourth ludi (I do
not remember well), and they were another little variant to do more
enterteining the races. Sadly, many players have turned the "dirty
actions" into a tactics of massive attack.
I´m sorry and in the next Ludi I will change the rules, prohibiting
the "dirty actions" or reducing the porcentage because the issue is
already a scandal.

I have been scriba ludorum (scriba of the races) during two years.
The next year I´ll leave the post because I´m really tired. The next
aediles can change the rules, erase them or support them... or maybe
we have a Flash game in a short time. All is possible.

Now I´ll do the last change in the rules for the Ludi Plebei.
Please, I ask you for ideas about it and quickly, the Ludi are very
very soon.
Hum... maybe the curse tables area good idea instead of dirty
actions. Opinions?


Salix Galaicus
scriba ludorum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15953 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Part 6
Salvete Quirites!

Throughout the Ludi Victoria, we will have an ongoing trivia contest.
There will be daily questions and updates.

The previous questions were:

> Translate "omnia vincit amor" into English.

Answer: Love conquers all.

> In what year did the number of Quaestors increase from 6 to 8?

Answer: 265 BCE

Standings after Part 5:

Titus Octavius Pius: 33 pts
Sp. Postumius Tubertus: 25 pts
Flavia Tullia: 11 pts
Gallio Marsallas: 8 pts


To participate in the contest, please send your answers to
gawne@... (gawne AT cesmail DOT net). Anyone posting
answers to any of the Nova Roma mailing lists will be disqualified,
and will also disqualify any answers sent by anyone else for that
day. Please check your e-mail headers before sending.

Each time we will have a Latin word or phrase to be translated,
with each fully correct translation worth 2 points and 1 point
available as partial credit for translations that are, in the
judge's opinion, substantially but not fully correct. There will
also be a question from Roman history to be answered, worth 5 points
for fully correct answers, with partial credit available.

Here are today's items:

1. Translate "qualis pater talis filius" into English.

2. Three men named Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus served as Consul. In what
year did this occur for the first time? (with co-consul P.Valerius Falto)

--
Gn. Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15954 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Day VIII
Hello race fans! Welcome back to the Circus Maximus for the eighth and final
qualifying race for the Ludi Victoria Championship! We've got a real doozy of
a race lined up for you today friends. It'll going to be GREAT!

Down in the stables, the gloves are off! In the Praesina stables, the word is
that they're mad as hell, and they're not going to take it any more. The
Russata drivers are grimly silent, angry that they're being slimed by all of
the accusations flying around, insisting that they're just good, and not the
cheating fella..., er, that is, cheaters! that people are calling them.

That sets the stage for today's race. Albata is out of it. Veneta is out of
it. Oh, they both have a few drivers who'll be in the semifinals, but they're
the two small factions and all their racers have already raced. Today it's
just Praesina against Russata, two of each, in a take-no-prisoners rumble on
the sand!

Security is tight in the Praesina stables. Will there be another
asssassination? Will there be another sabotage? Would anybody DARE try, after
what happened to the last assassin? (If you haven't heard yet folks, it was
gruesome, and I can't repeat it on family radio.)

Praesina comes into today's race with Confluat, driven by Polycrates and owned
by Lucius Quintius Constantius. They also bring Radius Solaris, driven by
Apollonius and owned by Livia Cornelia Hibernia. Both are heavily guarded, and
their drivers armored like Parthian cataphracti.

Russata brings two of their best. Velox, driven by Lepidus and owned by Titus
Arminius Volusius, is joined by the champion Proeliator, driven by the crazy
man from the far north, Gustavus Barbarus, and owned by Consul Caeso Fabius
Quintilianus!

We know how the reds race in these qualifying rounds. The question is, with
two chariots in today's race, will the greens tag-team too? Inquiring minds
want to know!

What? What now? I DO NOT BELIEVE IT!!! In spite of all the extra security,
there's been another act of sabotage. Just now as the Praesina chariot
Confluat was being brought out, a sharp eyed Polycrates noticed a cut almost
all the way through the main brace. It'll have to be completely torn down and
rebuilt, so Confluat is out of it for today folks. You can bet there will be
some sharp questions among the Praesina guards too. I pity the fool who did
it, because if he's caught that mad Brittanic woman from Albata has already
sworn she'll "question" him.

Now the race judges are inspecting the other green chariot, Radius Solaris,
very carefully. OK, it looks like they're giving Radius Solaris a clean bill
of health. They're loading them into the starting gate: red, green, and red.
Will Apollonius have any chance against the red double team? He's waving to
owner Livia Cornelia, pointing to the sky now... I guess he figures that having
lived through the night and made it to the starting gate, he's got a chance.
Good thing he took off all of that Parthian armor too.

OK, they're ready now... the Chief Vestal is on her feet... here's the
signal... AND THEY'RE OFF! On the inside it's Velox breaking for the lead,
while Radius Solaris charges up on the outside, denying Proliaetor. Apollonius
is determined to keep the reds from controling the race, but his horses are
paying a terrible price as he flogs them early. On the inside Lepidus answers
the green challenge, keeping Velox even. Now they're into the far turn, and
it's Velox hugging the spina grabbing every advantage.

Oh, what a terrible break for Lepidus! He didn't come off the wall soon
enough, and the Velox chariot has just been smashed to firewood! Radius
Solaris drives clear of the wreckage, followed by Proeliator, and now it's just
those two. But it's still red and green out there folks and you know every
foot of this race will be hard fought.

Now Proeliator is driving to the inside, trying to come up on the inside track
to overtake Radius Solaris. Apollonius sees it, and brings Radius Solaris in
closer, rejecting Proeliator's move. Barbarus swings wide, going for the
outside, and now they're into the near side turn. Apollonius negotiates it
perfectly, right in the groove, as Barbarus lashes his team trying to overtake
on the outside. Now they're in the final stretch, closing on the finish line,
with the red chariot inching up... At the wire it's TOO CLOSE TO CALL!

Both will advance, of couse, to the semifinals. But we're waiting for the race
officials' judgement. And now it's official! Radius Solaris is the winner!

And that's it for today's race folks! Be sure to tune in tomorrow for the
first of the four semifinal races, when we'll have Veritas! Equus Erectus!
Stella Iudaeae! And Lupus in Fabula! All right here at the World's Greatest
Racetrack!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15955 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Update on Ludi Victoria Military Contest
Salvete Quirites!

As you follow the daily chariot races and trivia questions, don't forget that
we have ten Nova Romans engaged in a difficult and demanding "Command Post
Exercise" where each is pitting his military operational skills against a
desperate and effective enemy force. Things are tough, as even our best
commanders are realizing that it's getting grim. They are all a long way from
home base, and the odds are stacking up against their legions.

Game master Quintus Fabius Maximus is doing a fine job of running what amounts
to ten separate tactical games. Watching him in action is truly amazing. It's
a good thing the barbarians didn't have him running their operations in antiquity.

The Ludi Victoria Military Contest is more than halfway through at this point.
In six more days it will be over, and we will assess the results. The
commander who made the best operational decisions will be declared the winner
on the last day of the Ludi Victoria, the kalends of Novembris.

--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile
My Curule Aedile website is http://www.pha.jhu.edu/~gawne/ca.html
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15956 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Provincial Administration and the Spread of Roman Citizenship
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Provincial Administration and the Spread of Roman
Citizenship":

http://www.ualberta.ca/~csmackay/CLASS_378/Admin.Cit.html

This site is a lecture by C.S. MacKay (Univ. of Alberta) on imperial
provincial administration and the evolution of the policy of extending
citizenship to subject peoples.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15957 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-24
Subject: Re: Delay in messages getting through?
Yes


Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2003 8:25 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Delay in messages getting through?


A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
greetings.

I've been finding recently that I only receive
main-list messages in my e-mail inbox a day or even
two days later than they appear on the yahoogroups
website; I'm not having this delay in other yahoo
lists.

Is anyone else having the same trouble?

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15958 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-25
Subject: Temporary Withdrawal of LEX DIDIA GEMINA
Thank you very much Sceptius!

And I think that our Tribune colleagues won't mind me saying that we unanimously support your Lex and hope that the Comitia Plebis Tributa passes it when the voting begins on Nov 4 2003.

Vale,
Diana Moravia





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15959 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-25
Subject: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis: Day I
Ahhhh!!
Salvete citizens,

It is hard to believe but true, I have found out that Latina and the Hades
Chariot are out of the Ludi Circensis! You see... I drank a bit too much at
the pre-Ludi party the night before the first day's race and ended up
sleeping through them :-) That nasty Latina has been keeping it a secret
from me that she was out of the races. She seems to have paid off quite a
lot of people (on a Gladiatrix's salary??) to nod their heads and smile at
me while I've babbled on and on during the last 7 day's races that Latina
would win!

I thought something was suspicious because when I woke up in the evening of
Day I's race, I noticed that there were 4 pins stuck in my 4 little wax
Belgian horses...

Luckily though, the local butcher has kept all 4 of the huge Belgian horses
on ice and so the barbecue will take place today!!

Our guest of honor, who will be getting the best cut of horse steak, will be
Proconsul Q Fabius Maximus (accompanied by his lovely slave girls) who lost
quite a lot of money by betting on Latina and her huge horses. All 5
Tribunes will be present as well, taking a well-deserved break from
political discussions and instead getting drunk, trying to order more wine
in Spanish and exchanging bad jokes. And as usual, our Praetor Decius
Iunius Palladius will be present with his first-aid kit in case I
accidentally put anything strange in my eye, with Demetrius Moravius keeping
both of his eyes on me, in case any male citizens are concealing Power
Tool's under their togas.

But we have to be careful.... Tiberius Galerius Paulinus will be there
reporting for the Eagle, noting down all of the gossip that he overhears
hoping to get a 'scoop' on the upcoming elections....

Everyone is welcome! The wine, food and the entertainment are on me!

Vale,
Diana Moravia Avetnina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15960 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2003-10-25
Subject: Archaeological News: Roman Amphitheatre discovered
... in Germania. Read more about the discovery here:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s973347.htm

vale,

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@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
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Factio Praesina
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factiopraesina/
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15961 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2003-10-25
Subject: [ComitiaPlebisTributa] Re: Re: CALLING FOR THE COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBU
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Pat <p-mclaughlin@c...> wrote:
Salve M. Umbrius Ursus,

<snipped for brevity>

> It's not historical. It violates the mos maiorum to summarily require
> auspices for the Comitia Plebis Tributa to vote. This is a rather
radical
> violation of the precedents of Rome. We don't know why it was as it
> was. We do know that it was that way for a very, very long time,
and the
> Romans found it to be good and appropriate not to make such auguries
> obligatory.

At the time of the founding of the Comitia Plebis Tributa the
Patricians had a monopoly on the priesthoods which is the historical
reason that the Comitia Plebis Tributa did not require an augury.
However at the time of the "re-founding" of the Comitia Plebis Tributa
there are Plebian priests and priestess, thus the reason for the no
requirement for auspices to be taken was removed at the founding of NR.


> It also--potentially--has a political problem buried in it. I wish
to be
> very, very clear here that I am not making any suggestions about the
> honesty or good character of NR's sole current augur.
>
> That said, the requirement creates an obligation that gives an
individual
> (and, currently, a patrician) control over the actions of the plebian
> assembly. Should such an individual find the proposals before the
Comitia
> Plebis Tributa offensive, the auguries might fail. And fail. And
> fail. Bad omens, folks, give it up.

That is a very good point, Nova Roma does need at least one more
Augur, preferably Plebian, if not two or three more Augurs. It was
not unknown in the old Republic for suddenly someone to exclaim they
heard thunder or observed another ill omen in order to block a piece
of legislation they didn't like no matter what Comitia was being
convened. However the convening magistrate did have the option to
ignore ill auspices. Should something bad happen later then well...

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15962 From: Maarten Date: 2003-10-25
Subject: women in the roman empire
Dear members of Nova-Roma. I'm in 5 gymnasium (Holland) and I have to
get some information about women in the roman empire. I can't het
much information. If one of you has a site, please post it. I really
need some help.

Thanks,

Maarten
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15963 From: Decimus Iunius Silanus Date: 2003-10-25
Subject: Re: Delay in messages getting through?
Salve Aule Apolloni,

I'm having the same problem with all Yahoo lists and have been for
this last week or so.

Bene vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus.


> I've been finding recently that I only receive
> main-list messages in my e-mail inbox a day or even
> two days later than they appear on the yahoogroups
> website; I'm not having this delay in other yahoo
> lists.
>
> Is anyone else having the same trouble?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15964 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-25
Subject: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Semifinals Day I
Hello race fans! Welcome back to the Circus Maximus where today we have the
first of four semifinal races for the Ludi Victoria Championship!

In spite of the awful string of accidents, assassinations, and sabotages that
heve beset these races, we still have some great match-ups for these semifinal
races folks! Today you'll see the first four battling it out for a place in
the final race!

The Sitting Duck, er, that is, Praesina faction is represented today by Stella
Iudaeae, driven by Malchus, the man some are calling Survivor Circensis, and
owned by Fabia Vera Attica. You'll recall that Malchus narrowly escaped death
last week on the very same day that Draco Borealis, of the Albata faction, was
assassinated. You can bet Malchus is taking every precaution today, and the
security around his chariot is tight.

In the second starting gate, we have Veritas, from the Veneta faction, driven
by Maximus Vincentius and owned by Gaius Lanius Falco.

Next, in the third starting gate, is past champion Equus Erectus, of the
Russata faction, driven by Italicus and owned by Curule Aedile Franciscus
Apulus Caesar.

And on the outside, another Russata chariot, Lupus in Fabula, driven by Tenax
and owned by Marcus Iulius Perusianus. Since only one chariot advances from
each of these semifinal races, you can bet we won't see the kind of teamwork by
the Russata drivers we saw in the qualifying races. Today it's every driver
for himself, and never mind team membership. There's no second place winner
from here on out, and every driver knows it's win or go home from here on.

Yes? Another assassination attempt? But it's NOT Malchus? Woah! There has
just been an attempt on the life of Maximus Vincentius, the driver of Veritas
from Veneta! The assassin is IN CUSTODY, and is even now being taken for
questioning by those two hideous barbarian women who drive for Albata, Aoife
and Latina. I almost feel sorry for the poor fool.

The track officials are inspecting the chariots now... looking at the harness
straps... checking the hubs... and now all four have been cleared to race.
They're loading them into the starting gates... Here's the signal... AND
THEY'RE OFF!

Out of the gate it's the green Stella Iudaeae on the inside, with Veritas right
beside him. Then the two red chariots on the outside... What's that? It looks
like Tenax is in trouble. Lupus in Fabula is slowing down... it looks like his
inside horse is limping, maybe from a bad start? Whatever it is Lupus in
Fabula is out of it now. Tenax is taking his team off the track now, and it's
down to three chariots.

Around the far turn it's Stella Iudaeae in the lead! Veritas is still right
behind, and Equus Erectus just behind Veritas on the outside. And NOW VERITAS
HAS OVERTAKEN! It looks like Stella Iudaeae is in trouble! The inside wheel
is wobbling, and it looks like Malchus bent an axle running too close to the
wall there. He's falling back fast, and now he's heading for the gate, and
will NOT finish the race.

Now Equus Erectus is neck and neck with Veritas, as eight horses thunder down
the backstretch. Blue on the inside, red on the outside, only one to advance
to the final! Who will it be?!? Inquiring minds WANT TO KNOW!!!

Now they're into the final turn! It's Veritas on the inside, using the spina
to advantage ... careful not to run too close ... as Equus Erectus tries to
overtake on the outside! Out of the turn and headed for the finish line it's a
dead heat! Now Veritas surges ahead as Maximus lays on the whip! At the
finish line it's Veritas! As Equus Erectus just can't get it done in the last
fifty feet.

So Veritas advances to the championship final race!

Be back tomorrow folks, for the World's Best Racing!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15965 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-25
Subject: A Brief History of Roman Libraries
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "A Brief History of Roman Libraries":

http://www.roman-empire.net/articles/article-005.html

This essay by Javier Rodriguez provides a short introduction to the
evolution of private and public libraries in Rome.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15966 From: O. Flavius Pompeius Date: 2003-10-26
Subject: Re: women in the roman empire
Salve Maarten,

http://www.moyak.com/researcher/resume/papers/roman_women.html

Primarily, it was only Patrician women who were restricted in their careers and activities. This was due mainly to the precept of noble families using marriage as a political tool, therefore the actions of Patrician women were fairly restricted.

Plebian women however, where somewhat more liberated. From what I understand they were free to own businesses, practice in trades/crafts (although I'm not sure if these were limited due to their sex) and were for the most part as free as women were in the ancient world.

Keep in mind I'm not too sure on this, should anyone find any faults with this by all mean correct me.

It is also important to note that women, regardless of standing as either Patrician or Plebian, are treated equally by their male counterparts in Nova Roma.

Vale.

O. Flavius Pompeius





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15967 From: Patricia Cassia Date: 2003-10-26
Subject: Re: A Brief History of Roman Libraries
This was fascinating, Scaurus, thank you!

Thank you also, Julilla, for the story about the Roman amphitheatre in
Germany. Who knew they had amphitheatres so far north?

-----
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Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15968 From: Da Flipped Man Date: 2003-10-26
Subject: Re: women in the roman empire
Salve O. Flavius Pompeius,

Thank you very much for this response on my post. It maybe not intirely but it is more then I could find, so I take it for grantid. I find this group of Latin and Roman addicteds cool, I have joined, through Yahoo, but can I become a member like you. With a Roman name etc.??? I have Latin for over 4 years so I know also a little about Romans, especially here in Holland. Well, I'll wait your respons. Again thanks,

Maarten
----- Original Message -----
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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] women in the roman empire



Salve Maarten,

http://www.moyak.com/researcher/resume/papers/roman_women.html

Primarily, it was only Patrician women who were restricted in their careers and activities. This was due mainly to the precept of noble families using marriage as a political tool, therefore the actions of Patrician women were fairly restricted.

Plebian women however, where somewhat more liberated. From what I understand they were free to own businesses, practice in trades/crafts (although I'm not sure if these were limited due to their sex) and were for the most part as free as women were in the ancient world.

Keep in mind I'm not too sure on this, should anyone find any faults with this by all mean correct me.

It is also important to note that women, regardless of standing as either Patrician or Plebian, are treated equally by their male counterparts in Nova Roma.

Vale.

O. Flavius Pompeius





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15969 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-26
Subject: Re: A Brief History of Roman Libraries
Salve

This excellent article has appeared in the pages of the April Eagle.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 9:23 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] A Brief History of Roman Libraries


G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "A Brief History of Roman Libraries":

http://www.roman-empire.net/articles/article-005.html

This essay by Javier Rodriguez provides a short introduction to the
evolution of private and public libraries in Rome.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15970 From: Claudius Salix Davianus Date: 2003-10-26
Subject: Economical causes of the Decline of Rome
Many are the reported causes of decline of empire political corruption, military inefficiency, economical crisis, etc. But very few factual information is seen in current internet discussions about the fact. It is necessary turn back to sources plentiful of data. One such a source is for example Aurelio Bernardi: "The economical problems in Roman Empire at the time of Decline" (first published in Studia et Documenta Historiae et Juris, vol XXXI, 1965, and later published in a survey by Carlo Cipolla (1970): The Economic Decline of Empires.

The article of Bernardi across 74 pages explain in detail some issues currently related to the decline of Rome, with number, quotes of Roman times but mainly objective contrastable data. [I think this work is highly recommendable for any interesting in a serious study of the causes of the Roman fall]. It would be excessive to develop here all main lines of the work of Bernardi, and by this reason I only treat here a brief synopsis of that work a resume of the conclusions of Bernardi. The explicit points Bernardi treats are these:





1. The fall of Roman Empire and different attempts of explain the causes

2. The economical efficiency of Empire in the context of ancient economics

3. The unexpected fall in the second half of 5th century, after an economical rise

4. Antecedents: The Antonini

5. Economical Involution after Antonini

6. Political, Social and Economical Disorders in 3rd century

7. State Bureaucracy and economical rise of 5th century

8. Wealth concentration and inversion in agriculture

9. The blow up of state finances

10. About tribute system and fiscal evasion

11. Contraction in tribute collection and progressive paralysis in bureaucratic system

12. Effects in military efficiency and the question of border control

13. State Disintegration

14. Conclusion



Well now we turn back to the explanations about concrete mechanisms as reconstructed by Bernardi. According to Bernardi the economical crisis of 3rd century was followed by a superexpansion of consume that occurred at the time of Antonini. [We can remember the price list of Diocletianus attempting to control the rise of the prices. As we know if demand rises without supply similar increase the result is inflation (rise of prices)].



But the attempts to maintain welfare state imposed gradually enormous financial expenses to the Roman state. The expenses of the State were greater than the real possibilities of Roman Empire according to its productions and income. The End of Conquest Wars also reduced extraordinary income. Initially State saved the situation increasing taxes on old urban wealthy class (a sacrifice imposed by rival classes such as civil servants and military personal). With this income was that Diocletianus realized his impressive reforms that will rise more and more the expenses of the State in order to control the situation (army was increased in effectives as were increased the number of civil servants). But a century later when the economical cycle come to its end, the Roman State had not enough incomes in order to continue with its expensive politics.

The civil servant class tried to increase a bit more the collection of taxes and this fact affected this time seriously middle and low classes. High wealthy owners of lands had many possibilities of evading taxes, but not less wealthier classes. This turn in massive leaving of lands, many peasants sold their lands to great land owners and passed to their protection (this was the germ of feudal system just a few centuries later).



The high civil servants and wealthier segments of societies come into an alliance which natural result were massive fiscal evasion of taxes. Less wealthier classes supported the main part of the tax collection, the system turned into a perverse mechanism that transferred wealth form middle class to high class (just as now is occurring in USA). The situation was highly predictable middle and low classes and Central State went to bankrupt meanwhile wealthier classes were prosperous and created alternative local powers rivalling with central State. This was the end of a unique centralized State, and the situation was ready to the fragmentation of the Empire in minor units governed by barbarians nobles and local commanders.



Cladius Salix Davianus



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It is interesting to attempt to compare the rise of Empire Political System and the fall of this same system with the modern situation in USA. As we all know the imperial interventions of the USA mainly in Latin America and Asia made rise the benefits of great corporations which have an impressive influence in US policies. The system in USA clearly favours wealthier classes as statistical data show: From 1979 until now, the richest 1 percent in the country have seen their wages increase by 157 percent; those in the bottom 20 percent are actually making $100 less a year (adjusted for inflation) than at the dawn of Reagan era. / The world's wealthiest two hundred companies have seen their profits grow by 362.4 percent since 1983. The rise of both imperial systems (Roman and US) is similar, if we see at the Bush campaign we found that he received donations for $190 millions, two-thirds of which come from just over seven hundred individuals! This is a mean of $181 000 of each of this "obscenely wealthy" persons). Well, but if we consider that the tax cut that Cheney designed for Bush we found also that 43 percent of this cut affected the 1 percent of the wealthier class (surely many of them have recovered their donations and much more!). I think all we have heard about Katherine Harris, simultaneously presidential campaign cochairwoman of the campaign of Bush and the Florida secretary of State in charge of elections paid $4 million to Database in order to remove from census (mainly the removed persons were black that probably had voted for Democrats). The collaboration of State of Texas, at that time governed by Bush was clear in all this. After this Bush manipulated the votes of Marines coming from exterior, in which there were also serious irregularities, in last instance and the Supreme Court dominated by Bush friends stopped the recounting of votes. History will remembered all this extraordinary facts (the parallelisms with the rise of imperial system in Rome are ineluctable).


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15971 From: philipp.hanenberg@web.de Date: 2003-10-26
Subject: Re: women in the roman empire
Dear Maarten,

on the side http://imperiumromanum.com/gesellschaft/frauen/frauen_index.htm

you can find some realy good facts about women in the ancient rome.

But the whole side is in german. I hope it will be a help for you.

cheers

Philippus Flavius Conservatus Maior

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15972 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2003-10-26
Subject: Re: women in the roman empire
Another site not to be missed:
http://www.stoa.org/diotima/

Arnamentia



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, <philipp.hanenberg@w...> wrote:
> Dear Maarten,
>
> on the side
http://imperiumromanum.com/gesellschaft/frauen/frauen_index.htm
>
> you can find some realy good facts about women in the ancient rome.
>
> But the whole side is in german. I hope it will be a help for you.
>
> cheers
>
> Philippus Flavius Conservatus Maior
>
>
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> Horoskop, Comics, VIPs, Wetter, Sport und Lotto im WEB.DE
Screensaver1.2
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15973 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-26
Subject: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Semifinals Day II
Hello race fans! Welcome back to the Circus Maximus were we have the World's
Greatest Racing on tap for you today in the second semifinal race for the Ludi
Victoria Championship!

There's no danger of an assassination attempt or sabotage against Praesina
today folks, because there's no Praesina chariot IN today's race. Instead, we
have two from Veneta, one from Russata, and the chariot of varying color that
ran as blue last week but is back in its white racing paint today, Impactus
Infrenatus!

Starting on the inside, it's going to be Crux Australis of the Veneta Faction,
driven by Victor Hispanicus and owned by Lucius Pompeius Octavianus.

Next, it's Impactus Infrenatus, back in Albata white, driven by Concordius and
owned by Gnaeus Octavius Noricus, who is still insisting that he had no
knowledge of his entry's change of color last week.

In the third starting gate, we will see Vulpes Ignea from Russata, driven by
Marcus Cursor and owned by Titus Arminius Genialis.

On the outside, it's Fortuna, the other Veneta chariot in today's race.
Fortuna is driven by Felix Fortunatus and owned by Roscia Annaea Pia.

Now they're loaded into the starting gates. The race officials have inspected
each chariot and cleared them to race... Here's the Chief Vestal... the
signal... AND THEY'RE OFF!

Red Vulpes Ignea quickly moves into the lead, heading for the inside. Crux
Australis is just behind, also staying close to the spina. Outside of Crux
Australis we see white Impactus Infrenatus, with blue Fortuna in the rear.
They're thundering down the track, all bunched up! The Russata chariot wants
the wall, and blue Crux Australis is rejecting him. But now the red chariot
moves ahead with a furious flurry of whip strokes on his horses backs, and
pulls to within mere inches of the spina!

Into the first turn, and Vulpes Ignea is hugging the wall for all it's worth!
Marcus Cursor is flogging his horses, and OH NO! Vulpes Ignea has crashed! It
looked like his inside wheel came off. The other three chariots are safely
past now as the emergency crew rushes to the scene. Marcus Cursor is on his
feet, so he must be OK. But you can bet he's cursing himself for pressing a
little too close to the wall.

In the backstretch, we see white Impactus Infrenatus making a move. Concordius
is letting his horses have their heads, and they are running like the wind!
He's passed Crux Australis, which may have been damaged by a flying splinter
when the red chariot crashed! On the outside Fortuna is moving up steadily,
and has now overtaken Crux Australis as well!

Now into the nearside turn, Fortuna is still closing on Impactus Infrenatus!
As they round the turn and head for the finish line it's Fortuna overtaking
Impactus Infrenatus! Concordius sees the blue chariot passing him and lays
into his team, but they've given him everything they have already. And at the
finish line it's Fortuna! Impactus Infrenatus is second, and Crux Australis
will finish a distant third, as the doughty Victor Hispanicus refuses to leave
the track as long as his team can pull the chariot.

Well that's it for today folks! Fortuna advances to the finals, joining
Veritas, yesterday's winner, also a Veneta entry! At least half of the
chariots in the final will be blue this time! Could this mark the end of the
Russata dominance? The proud green challenge has gone down to dust in the
spate of assassinations and sabotages, but maybe the much rumored Russata fans
who are alleged to have paid for all that carnage ignored the Veneta threat!

They may be small, they may be blue, but they're not a bunch of Smurfs! Veneta
is a potent threat to take it all in the final! Be back here tomorrow for the
third semifinal race of this Ludi Victoria Championship!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15974 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-26
Subject: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Part 7
Salvete Quirites!

Throughout the Ludi Victoria, we will have an ongoing trivia contest.
There will be frequent questions and updates.

The previous questions were:

> 1. Translate "qualis pater talis filius" into English.

Answer: Like father, like son

> 2. Three men named Tiberius Sempronius Gracchus served as Consul. In what
> year did this occur for the first time? (with co-consul P.Valerius Falto)

Answer: 238 BCE

Standings after Part 6:

Titus Octavius Pius: 40 pts
Sp. Postumius Tubertus: 32 pts
Flavia Tullia: 18 pts
Gallio Marsallas: 8 pts
Caius Ianus Mediolanensis: 7 pts



To participate in the contest, please send your answers to
gawne@... (gawne AT cesmail DOT net). Anyone posting
answers to any of the Nova Roma mailing lists will be disqualified,
and will also disqualify any answers sent by anyone else for that
day. Please check your e-mail headers before sending.

Each time we will have a Latin word or phrase to be translated,
with each fully correct translation worth 2 points and 1 point
available as partial credit for translations that are, in the
judge's opinion, substantially but not fully correct. There will
also be a question from Roman history to be answered, worth 5 points
for fully correct answers, with partial credit available.

Here are today's items:

1. Translate "qui scribit bis legit" into English.

2. Who wrote the Twelve Tables? (For full credit give Latin name and English
translation of this name.)

--
Gn. Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15975 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-26
Subject: Re: The Eagle YES or NO
Salve Honored Consul

With the election season fast approaching I feel that I must admit in all honesty that this question should have been decided by now.

A resolution of the future of the Eagle was promised in the spring, it is now almost winter. No one can make any future plans based on this indecision, one can't even accept subscriptions for any year but the current one.

It is now almost November and to say "sure you can take out a subscription to the Eagle but only for this year, I will mail you the back issues and the ones for November and December", is comical at best and tragic at worst.

I for one can not wait past the first of November to decide what I am going to do in regards to the next election. I would have loved to run again for Curator Differum ( if nobody else ran) but it seems it is not meant to be.

Because the Senate or the Consuls or both have decided to delay this decision until nearly the end of the year, I have decided it best that I not stand for election as Curator Differum in the upcoming elections ( again if nobody else ran).

I do however strongly support the Eagle going forward and will work with the next Curator Differum ( if there is one) to make the transition painless.

I would like to thank you and the other citizens of Nova Roma for the help you were able to give the Eagle this year.

I would also like to apologize to those citizens with subscriptions for the delay in the last few issues.

The August issue will be mailed this Tuesday, the September and the October issues are at the printers and will be mailed within the next week as well. We are pulling together the last two issues of the year November and December and hope to have them in the mail in a more timely manner.

I would lastly like to thank the Citizens of Nova Roma for the honor of serving this year as Curator Differum and for allowing me to work with an outstanding group of citizens who make up the staff of the Eagle:

The Scriba Curatoris Differum

Iulia Aenea Apollonia Musa
Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
Titus Arminius Genialis
Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
Livia Cornelia Hibernia
Flavius Galerius Aurelianus Secundus
Gaius Galerius Peregrinator
Aurelia Iulia Pulcra
Lucius Iulius Sulla
Marcus Iulius Perusianus
Gaius Lanius Falco
Albertus Minius Abrahaeus Vaticinator
Caius Minius Messala Bellator
Coryphaeus Minius Leo Cambosia
Pompeius Minius Aquila Palladius
Flavius Minius Clinamens
Gallus Minucius Iovinus
Gaius Modius Athanasius
Quintus Sertorius
Violentilla Titinia Saltatrix

as well as those not on the staff that contributed to the Eagle this year.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum 2756 a.u.c.
Fortuna Favet Fortibus
----- Original Message -----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
To: Stephen Gallagher
Cc: senate@... ; Diana Moravia Aventina
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: The Eagle YES or NO


Salve Illustrus Tiberius Galerius Paulinus!

I am going to put forward a proposal for the future of the Eagle
during the November meeting of the Senate. It is hard to say when
such a meeting will be called to order, among other things I need the
auspices to be taken. Rest assured that I will try to call the
meeting as soon as possible.

>Salve Conscript Fathers and Mothers
>
>As we work on the last few issues of the year, I would like to ask
>what have you decided about to the future of the Eagle?
>
>This question has been asked before by me and others but so far we
>have had no answer. Some of us need to make plans based on yes, the
>Eagle will continue or no it will not.
>
>You can not put off this question any longer.
>
>I need an answer by November 1,
>
>
>Yours in the service to the Republic
>
>Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>Curator Differum


--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15976 From: O. Flavius Pompeius Date: 2003-10-26
Subject: Re: women in the roman empire
Salve,

I' sure you'd be welcomed into Nova Roma. Just make sure you do read over the site and understand just what Nova Roma is (A large chunk of the citizenry, including myself, have more then a purely academic interest in Roman culture).

You do have to pay to join Nova Roma but from what I've heard the tax isn't due in till sometime next year I think, so if you haven't got the cash now don't worry, there's time to get it.

Have fun with your name :) it's one of the great parts of Nova Roma. Just make sure it is Roman.

Once that's done browse for a Gens (family). These are groups of people to whom you'll be a part of while in Nova Roma. For example, I'm a member of the Gens Flavia. Email their paterfamilias




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15977 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Ancient Roman Artillery
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Ancient Roman Artillery":

http://www.unc.edu/courses/rometech/public/content/special/Kat_Smith/ROMANARTILLERY.htm

This excellen t introductory article comes from the University of
North Carolina, Chapel Hill's "Ancient Roman Technology" website.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15978 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Re: The Eagle YES or NO
Salve Curator!

>Salve Honored Consul
>
>With the election season fast approaching I feel that I must admit
>in all honesty that this question should have been decided by now.
>

It will, my colleague is trying to get a Senate meeting before the
end of October and I am sure that he will be able to organise it.
Please turn to him!

I also have it on the Agenda for November if he wouldn't make it,
this is why You got the answer that You got from me a couple of days
ago.

>A resolution of the future of the Eagle was promised in the spring,
>it is now almost winter. No one can make any future plans based on
>this indecision, one can't even accept subscriptions for any year
>but the current one.
>
>It is now almost November and to say "sure you can take out a
>subscription to the Eagle but only for this year, I will mail you
>the back issues and the ones for November and December", is comical
>at best and tragic at worst.
>
>I for one can not wait past the first of November to decide what I
>am going to do in regards to the next election. I would have loved
>to run again for Curator Differum ( if nobody else ran) but it seems
>it is not meant to be.
>
>Because the Senate or the Consuls or both have decided to delay this
>decision until nearly the end of the year, I have decided it best
>that I not stand for election as Curator Differum in the upcoming
>elections ( again if nobody else ran).
>
>I do however strongly support the Eagle going forward and will work
>with the next Curator Differum ( if there is one) to make the
>transition painless.
>
>I would like to thank you and the other citizens of Nova Roma for
>the help you were able to give the Eagle this year.
>
>I would also like to apologize to those citizens with subscriptions
>for the delay in the last few issues.
>
>The August issue will be mailed this Tuesday, the September and the
>October issues are at the printers and will be mailed within the
>next week as well. We are pulling together the last two issues of
>the year November and December and hope to have them in the mail in
>a more timely manner.
>
>I would lastly like to thank the Citizens of Nova Roma for the honor
>of serving this year as Curator Differum and for allowing me to work
>with an outstanding group of citizens who make up the staff of the
>Eagle:
>
>The Scriba Curatoris Differum
>
>Iulia Aenea Apollonia Musa
>Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
>Titus Arminius Genialis
>Gaius Basilicatus Agricola
>Livia Cornelia Hibernia
>Flavius Galerius Aurelianus Secundus
>Gaius Galerius Peregrinator
>Aurelia Iulia Pulcra
>Lucius Iulius Sulla
>Marcus Iulius Perusianus
>Gaius Lanius Falco
>Albertus Minius Abrahaeus Vaticinator
>Caius Minius Messala Bellator
>Coryphaeus Minius Leo Cambosia
>Pompeius Minius Aquila Palladius
>Flavius Minius Clinamens
>Gallus Minucius Iovinus
>Gaius Modius Athanasius
>Quintus Sertorius
>Violentilla Titinia Saltatrix
>
>as well as those not on the staff that contributed to the Eagle this year.
>
>Vale
>
>Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>Curator Differum 2756 a.u.c.
>Fortuna Favet Fortibus
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:christer.edling@...>Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
>To: <mailto:spqr753@...>Stephen Gallagher
>Cc: <mailto:senate@...>senate@... ;
><mailto:diana@...>Diana Moravia Aventina
>Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 10:45 AM
>Subject: Re: The Eagle YES or NO
>
>Salve Illustrus Tiberius Galerius Paulinus!
>
>I am going to put forward a proposal for the future of the Eagle
>during the November meeting of the Senate. It is hard to say when
>such a meeting will be called to order, among other things I need the
>auspices to be taken. Rest assured that I will try to call the
>meeting as soon as possible.
>
>>Salve Conscript Fathers and Mothers
>>
>>As we work on the last few issues of the year, I would like to ask
>>what have you decided about to the future of the Eagle?
> >
>>This question has been asked before by me and others but so far we
>>have had no answer. Some of us need to make plans based on yes, the
>>Eagle will continue or no it will not.
>>
>>You can not put off this question any longer.
>>
>>I need an answer by November 1,
>>
>>
>>Yours in the service to the Republic
>>
>>Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>>Curator Differum
>
>
>--
>
>Vale
>
>Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
>Senior Consul et Senator
>Propraetor Thules
>Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
>Civis Romanus sum
>************************************************
>Cohors Consulis CFQ
><http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/>http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
>************************************************
>Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
>"I'll either find a way or make one"
>************************************************
>Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
>Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness


--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15979 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Re: Opinion of the creator of the race rules
Salve,

Well, I´ve write more rules for dirty action on Ludi Plebeian, and
also how to counter-measure them. I was going to post it today and
open subscriptions, BUT DAMN I FORGOT MY DISK WITH THE FILES ON HOME!

So I will post tomorrow. Sorry... well, let this post be a pre-
calling for races.

If people like the ´spice´ of the new rules, maybe the next aediles
can use it. If they don´t like, simply don´t use more. The excellent
rules of chariots of Galaicus are used because of their excellence,
but future aediles can make another rules if they desire.

But for exemple, for Munera, we have the ´faustian´ rules I used on
Cerelia and now on Ludi Plebeain as well as we have rules for
Venationes. Even my rules, the future aediles be free to use or not.

I myself thing that dirty actions are indeed a very roman thing,
although not of the most vituous. Also a strategy to spice the games.

But as ever the aedile takes the responsability on the rules.
Allowing, forbidding, planning counter-measeures... well...

Tomorrow I will post, I hope you all enjoy the new rules.


Vale,
L. Arminius Faustus
Plebeian Aedile

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Alejandro Carneiro" <piteas@t...>
wrote:
> Avete omnes!
>
> More than two years ago, Aedilis Curulis Fabius Quintilianus asked
> me for a few rules to do funny races for the citizenship.
> The religious or "serious aspect" of the races was not the aim of
my
> rules, because they were not any more than a little distraction
> inside the roman celebrations.
> Sadly, like in the imperial age, in NR the races became the main
> center of the celebrations and now the four factiones have logos,
> webs and lists. Maybe we´re further neronians than austere
> republicans ;-)
>
> The "Dirty actions" were created in the third or fourth ludi (I do
> not remember well), and they were another little variant to do more
> enterteining the races. Sadly, many players have turned the "dirty
> actions" into a tactics of massive attack.
> I´m sorry and in the next Ludi I will change the rules, prohibiting
> the "dirty actions" or reducing the porcentage because the issue is
> already a scandal.
>
> I have been scriba ludorum (scriba of the races) during two years.
> The next year I´ll leave the post because I´m really tired. The
next
> aediles can change the rules, erase them or support them... or
maybe
> we have a Flash game in a short time. All is possible.
>
> Now I´ll do the last change in the rules for the Ludi Plebei.
> Please, I ask you for ideas about it and quickly, the Ludi are very
> very soon.
> Hum... maybe the curse tables area good idea instead of dirty
> actions. Opinions?
>
>
> Salix Galaicus
> scriba ludorum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15980 From: a_cato2002 Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Re: Economical causes of the Decline of Rome
Salvete Quirites: Speculating on the causes of the collapse of
the Roman Empire has been going on for centuries, and will continue
for centuries. There are many theories as to what the cause, or
causes were that resulted in the collapse.
I prefer to believe that there were many reasons, which added
together resulted in the collapse of Ancient Rome.
I have in the past posted this URL for those interested in the
topic, and I will repost this again for new citizens that may be
interested. It makes for interesting reading.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/journal/cjv14n2-7.html
Or simply go on Google and type in... excessive government ancient
rome cato institute
I may not believe everything it says, but the article certainly
has some good points to make. I do believe that excessive government
was one of the primary reasons that Rome fell. Rome simply became
too "Top Heavy".

Valete, Appius Tullius Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15981 From: me-in-@disguise.co.uk Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Re: Economical causes of the Decline of Rome
-----Original Message-----
From : a_cato2002 <catoni52@...>
Date : 27 October 2003 13:35:51


> I may not believe everything it says, but the article certainly
>has some good points to make. I do believe that excessive government
>was one of the primary reasons that Rome fell. Rome simply became
>too “Top Heavy“.
>
Well, there's some doubt as to what exactly 'fell' means. Nobody at the time though anything had fallen, just passed over to immigrant allies. It certainly wasn't excessive government. Lack of government is what fragmented the West, one of the most rigid theocratic burocracies this side of China what kept the East together for the next thousand years. It is probably one of those paradox things that had there been onnly one capital and one Emperor, Odoacer could never had risked dismissing Romulus Augustulus because that would have been an evident End of Empire. Since there remained an emperor and the West later invented an illegitimate one of its own, they could dismantle the empire in fact by appeal to it all being done with Imperial approval within the empire ruled from Constantinople.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15982 From: Alejandro Carneiro Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: a new idea for races
Maybe the aedilis plebeius Faustus wants to consider this new idea
for the races. I think it´s funny and participative for the citizens.

In dirty actions:

"Curse table: The player can write the text of a curse table
against a rival factio or even against a simple chariot or driver
asking for ANY EVIL THING against the cursed factio, chariot or
driver. The curse table HAS TO BE POSTED IN HER/HIS FACTIO LIST, not
in main list. The curse tables posted in other lists won´t be
accepted. The limit of curse tables for each player in each ludi is
two (2) . The chance is only 20%, but the player is never uncovered.
If the text is in latin, the chance is 30%. So learn latin, citizens."


Salix Galaicus
scriba ludorum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15983 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Re: a new idea for races
Salve,

Hum... I imagined Curse tablets on Ludi Plebeain as well as some
other devious stuff (damn me, the disk with all is at home! Wait
tomorrow, quirites!) but your idea Galaicus, is much better than mine.

I will incorporate, I liked a lot! Thanks! BUT I cannot resist to
tell, I´ve thought about how cancel curse tablets!

On Ludi Plebeian, for each dirty action, the player could spent on
preventing it!

How?

Well, well, well...

Anyway, prepare since now the chariot on all previous rules. Tomorrow
I will post rule with the terrorist and counter-terrorism measures
for the auriga. Tomorrow subscriptions will open.

Vale,
L. Arminius Faustus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Alejandro Carneiro" <piteas@t...>
wrote:
>
> Maybe the aedilis plebeius Faustus wants to consider this new idea
> for the races. I think it´s funny and participative for the
citizens.
>
> In dirty actions:
>
> "Curse table: The player can write the text of a curse table
> against a rival factio or even against a simple chariot or driver
> asking for ANY EVIL THING against the cursed factio, chariot or
> driver. The curse table HAS TO BE POSTED IN HER/HIS FACTIO LIST, not
> in main list. The curse tables posted in other lists won´t be
> accepted. The limit of curse tables for each player in each ludi is
> two (2) . The chance is only 20%, but the player is never uncovered.
> If the text is in latin, the chance is 30%. So learn latin,
citizens."
>
>
> Salix Galaicus
> scriba ludorum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15984 From: KECTAM@aol.com Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: The Yahoo glitch and the Ludi
Salvete Omnes!

Quid faciam?

This is one confused civis! Incoming messages dried up some days ago,
yesterday Yahoo asked me to reactivate my account by replying (which I did) but
still nothing! If this is a problem encountered by anyone else, could they please
say how they resolved it? I've accessed <A HREF="http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups">http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups</A> to
read the mail I've missed, but what's on there doesn't entirely fill the gap
since they stopped sending.

I've missed out on some of the Ludi race reports, so have no idea if my entry
actually got to race! Mind you, it was in position no. 33 on the starters
list (which should have been for only 32 entrants?) so I doubt we even got a
look in. Poor old Londinius Ferox! I dragged him all the way from Britannia
and, since Latina and Aoife indicated they'd have none of him, the poor chap has
been lurking broodily in the stables. I've run out of ideas for what to do
with him, since even the horses have made it quite clear they'd prefer him to
sling his hook! See what a predicament I'm in?

Salvete,

Placidia Prisca
(Frustrated Albata owner)




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15985 From: Da Flipped Man Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Re: women in the roman empire
salve, Philippus Flavius Conservatus Maior,

Thanks for the site. I master german pretty well, so I think I can manage. Thanks again,

Maarten
----- Original Message -----
From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 12:40 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: women in the roman empire



Another site not to be missed:
http://www.stoa.org/diotima/

Arnamentia



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, <philipp.hanenberg@w...> wrote:
> Dear Maarten,
>
> on the side
http://imperiumromanum.com/gesellschaft/frauen/frauen_index.htm
>
> you can find some realy good facts about women in the ancient rome.
>
> But the whole side is in german. I hope it will be a help for you.
>
> cheers
>
> Philippus Flavius Conservatus Maior
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15986 From: Bill Gawne Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Re: The Yahoo glitch and the Ludi
[posted to main NR list with cc to Placidia Prisca]

Placidia Prisca writes:
> This is one confused civis! Incoming messages dried up some days ago,
> yesterday Yahoo asked me to reactivate my account by replying (which I did)
> but still nothing!

Yeah, Yahoo is a bit of a mess right now. Probably the best way to be
sure you see things is to read at the website:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/messages

> If this is a problem encountered by anyone else, could they
> please say how they resolved it?

If I find a way to resolve it I'll be sure to tell you. Right now
I think it's just a matter of enduring the vagaries of Yahoo. I know
it is also causing problems with the Ludi Victoria trivia contest,
such that I've slowed the rate of new questions down to once every
two days, to better give folks a chance to answer them.

[...]
> I've missed out on some of the Ludi race reports, so have no idea if my
> entry actually got to race!

Alas, I fear he did not. A pity too, given how few Albata racers we
had this time around.

> Poor old Londinius Ferox! I dragged him all the way from Britannia
> and, since Latina and Aoife indicated they'd have none of him,

Trust me, he's probably better off. I've heard stories about men Aoife
grew bored with back in the Silurian hills. Not pretty. Some are said
to wander off in heartbroken destitution, and they're the lucky ones.

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15987 From: Da Flipped Man Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Re: women in the roman empire
Salve O. Flavius Pompeius,

Nice to know, there is a good chance to be welcomed into Nova-Roma. I think that's nice. Do you know how much I have to pay??? Just being interested. Well I hope to see the next dozen of mails out of Rome in my mailbox.

Maarten

Maybe: Martitius Lucius Salvanus is a good name???:)
----- Original Message -----
From: O. Flavius Pompeius
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] women in the roman empire



Salve,

I' sure you'd be welcomed into Nova Roma. Just make sure you do read over the site and understand just what Nova Roma is (A large chunk of the citizenry, including myself, have more then a purely academic interest in Roman culture).

You do have to pay to join Nova Roma but from what I've heard the tax isn't due in till sometime next year I think, so if you haven't got the cash now don't worry, there's time to get it.

Have fun with your name :) it's one of the great parts of Nova Roma. Just make sure it is Roman.

Once that's done browse for a Gens (family). These are groups of people to whom you'll be a part of while in Nova Roma. For example, I'm a member of the Gens Flavia. Email their paterfamilias




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15988 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Ludi Victoria Cultural Award
Salvete Quirites!

It is my distinct pleasure to announce the winner of the Ludi Victoria
Cultural Contest. After careful consideration of all entries, the prize goes
to...

Placidia Prisca!

Here is her winning epigram:

When newly manumitted, the Stoic told all
"Men are born equal - bondage I will not condone!"
But, when being his own master began to pall,
He quietly acquired slaves of his very own.

Please congratulate Placidia Prisca on her success, and her noteworthy
compositional effort. This reflects favorably on her, her gens, and all of
Nova Roma.

Thanks to all who entered the Ludi Victoria Cultural Contest. Every effort is
appreciated.

-- Gn. Equitius Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15989 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Semifinals Part III
Hello race fans! Welcome back to the Circus Maximus for more of the World's
Greatest Racing! Today is the third of four semifinal races in the Ludi
Victoria championship, where the four entries in the final race of this
championship will be decided!

In case you've been living on another planet this last week, I'll recap that
these races have been beset by a terrible campaign of sabotage and
assassination, most of it directed against the Praesina faction but some of it
aimed at Veneta and Albata. There's a lot of dark muttering going on about
the Russata faction, hotly denied by the Russata drivers. Some Russata fans
have been a bit less complete in their denial of culpability, leading this
reporter to wonder what's going on in the back rooms of the betting parlors.
Not that Russata lacks for commanding teams and drivers, because they've shown
in the past that they can win fairly, but maybe somebody got in a little too
deeply in the wagering, and decided to insure another Russata victory. Not
naming any names, of course, but a look at the big names in the Senate is
enough to make an honest man wonder who might be in a difficult way right
now. Hmmm...?

Let's hope we've seen the last of the dispicable actions.

In today's semifinal race, we have two entries from Russata, one from Veneta,
and one from the ill-omened Praesina team.

On the inside, the Veneta team brings Domini Irae, driven by Spartacus and
owned by Aurelius Apulus Sanniticus.

Next, in the number two gate, it's Russata's Metella Maxima, driven by Aegeus
and owned by Lucius Arminius Metellus.

Third, a chariot and driver team that survived a scrape with near disaster to
get this far, the past champion Praesina entry Essedum. You'll recall that in
the fourth race last week, the driver of Essedum, Italicus, narrowly escaped
assassination. Essedum is owned by a Legate of Provincia Italia, Manius
Constantinus Serapio.

Finally, on the outside it's the pride of Russata, Proeliator! Proeliator is
driven by the wild man from the frozen north, Gustavus Barbarus, and owned by
Consul Caeso Fabius Quintilianus. Barbarus has been particularly incensed
about the allegations of cheating on the part of his team, and has sworn that
he will personally disembowel whoever is behind the assassinations, if he has
the chance, with a spoon. I wouldn't put it past him. The man is WILD!

Now they're in the starting gates... the race officials are looking over each
chariot carefully, checking for any sign of damage... now they've given the
all clear signal... Here's the Chief Vestal... now the signal... AND THEY'RE
OFF!

It's Domini Irae in front, holding close to the spina as the blue chariot
thunders down the track. On the outside in front it's Metella Maxima, with
driver Aegeus getting pretty free with his whip, laying into Spartacus of
Domini Irae, who doesn't like that one bit. Behind Domini Irae, Essedum is
keeping close and looking for a gap, while Proeliator closes things up on the
outside.

Now they're approaching the far turn and OH NO! Domini Irae has flipped
over! It looks like Spartacus was turned, trying to fend off the flailing
whip of Aegeus, when his inside wheel ran up on the spina! The team of
Essedum is all tangled up in the wreckage of Domini Irae, as Italicus wrestles
frantically to bring them to a stop before Spartacus is trampled to a bloody
pulp.

On the outside, Proeliator is safely past the wreckage and closing on Metella
Maxima. Now Proeliator draws even... there's an exchange between the two
Russata drivers... and now Barbarus has yanked the whip out of Aegeus' hands!
Oh, Barbarus is not pleased with his teammate folks! That sign language he's
using is unmistakable... Now he turns his back on Aegeus and shakes out his
reins, giving his team their heads.

Into the final stretch, it's Proeliator out in front and adding distance with
every stride! Around the final turn it's Proeliator by a dozen lengths! And
at the finish line, it's Proeliator!

Woah! Would you look at that! Barbarus just kept right on going! Now he's
approaching the wreckage of Domini Irae and Essedum, pulling his team up. He
brings them to a halt, and now he's jumped clear and is helping the emergency
crew! What a guy! Talk about the best traditions of sportsmanship! Barbarus
has the wounded Spartacus in his arms, carrying him off the track! How about
a big round of applause for Gustavus Barbarus, one Russata representative who
knows how to win with dignity!

Well, that's it for today folks! Be back tomorrow for more of the World's
Best Racing, when we bring you the fourth and final semifinal race in the Ludi
Victoria Championship!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15990 From: philipp.hanenberg@web.de Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Re: women in the roman empire
Salvete Maarten,

here you can take a look on the taxes. Pls take care to find your homeland (Gallia).

http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/edicts/consul-2003-03-03-i.htm

The amount is for one yr.
It will be fine to see you in Nova Roma.

Valete

Philippus Flavius Conservatus Maior



>Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com schrieb am 27.10.03 21:09:07:
>
>Salve O. Flavius Pompeius,
>
>Nice to know, there is a good chance to be welcomed into Nova-Roma. I think that's nice. Do >you know how much I have to pay??? Just being interested. Well I hope to see the next dozen >of mails out of Rome in my mailbox.

>Maarten

>Maybe: Martitius Lucius Salvanus is a good name???:)
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15991 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Cultural Award
Salvete Placidia Prisca et Aedile Marinus,

congratulations to the winner, very good epygrams, very funny!
I'm a great estimator of Martial and I think Placidia Prisca is very
close to the ancient satyrical writer.

Marinus, where I could read the works of the other partecipants?
Plese, send them to me privately if you prefer. Thank you very much!

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Seniro Curule Aedile


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@c...> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites!
>
> It is my distinct pleasure to announce the winner of the Ludi
Victoria
> Cultural Contest. After careful consideration of all entries, the
prize goes
> to...
>
> Placidia Prisca!
>
> Here is her winning epigram:
>
> When newly manumitted, the Stoic told all
> "Men are born equal - bondage I will not condone!"
> But, when being his own master began to pall,
> He quietly acquired slaves of his very own.
>
> Please congratulate Placidia Prisca on her success, and her
noteworthy
> compositional effort. This reflects favorably on her, her gens,
and all of
> Nova Roma.
>
> Thanks to all who entered the Ludi Victoria Cultural Contest.
Every effort is
> appreciated.
>
> -- Gn. Equitius Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15992 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Cremation in a Roman Port Town
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Cremation in a Roman Port Town":

http://www.umich.edu/~kelseydb/Exhibits/Death_on_Display/Cremation_Group/index.html

This site is a University of Michigan, An Arbor, virtual exhibit,
organised by Erik Zempel, Michael Grabinski, and Gregory Westbrook,
illustrating Roman burial practices with artifacts from the
university's extensive collection.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15993 From: daniel villanueva Date: 2003-10-27
Subject: Congrats Veneta members!!!
Salvete omnes.
Congrats to the Veneta members who advance to the finals!!!!!. Hurray!!!!
Bene valete
L. Pompeius Octavianus
Dominus factionis veneta


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15994 From: Annia Minucia Sempronia Date: 2003-10-28
Subject: California Provincia
I've noticed a fire.

Any californian cives in trouble over there?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15995 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-28
Subject: LUDI CIRCENSES - PLEBEIAN LUDI - SUBSCRIPTIONS OPEN! - HURRY UP!
LUDI CIRCENSES


PLEBEIAN LUDI






Regulation






Nova Roma organize Ludi Circenses, chariot races, during the Festivals of each year in recollection of the roman customs of amusement and entertainment. In these games only there take part the citizens registered in Nova Roma who want to do it according to the following rules exposed below.



The Plebeian Aedile call all citizens, all classes, to the chariot races of Ludi Plebeian. We will tear blood, but we shall write the races, last races of the year! I´ve heard Praesina will try a Vendetta, hum?



This is the rules. About the races, everything is the same. I´ve put more rules about dirty tricks. You know, there was a market, so we need to give the novoromans what they want. These ´faustian´ rules (or I would say ´mephistophelian´ rules?) are for Ludi Plebeian, if some future aedile wants to use them, for me is OK. If doesn´t want, OK also. The Aedile do as his responsability, for this he was elected.



But I remember that the use of dirty tricks are optional. The rules are below, use as your own risk. And if some citizens doesn´t like the dirty tricks (not the most virtuous, but indeed a very roman thing) and doesn´t want to have the possibility to suffer dirty actions, feel free to not participate (well... Cato was asked to leave the theather...).



I myself liked a lot the counter-sabotage possibilities. The counter-measures offers a very interesting way to not be passive against the evil rampaging the stables, but remember that ´Living is too dangerous´ as said the great writer Guimaraens Rosa. If you are on the game, know that lots of people play hard to win, outside of the circus as well. At least, we will not have a blood bath... or will? Well, let´s save our blood thirst for the Munera!



Praesina, Russata, Veneta Albataque, the apple is on the tree, the Pandora box is closed. Pick it, open it for your own risk.





1) How to take part?

-------

1.1) Every player have to send our subscription to

lafaustus@... [Lucius Arminius Faustus] with the subject "Ludi Circensis", within the following

informations:

* His/her name in Nova Roma

* The name of his/her driver

* The name of his/her chariot

* His/her tactics (see point 2)

* The name of his/her "factio" or team: Praesina (green), russata

(red), veneta (blue) or albata (white)

* If he/she tries some dirty action againts a rival factio.





1.2) The subscriptions must be sent before 1th November, so hurry up!

1.3) Every player only will send one chariot.



2) 6 race tactics are possible:

1. To hurry in the last laps

2. To pass the curves closely the "spina" of the circus.

3. To support a constant pace

4. To lash the rivals

5. To push the rivals to the wall of the circus

6. To hurry in the straight lines



The calculations are exactly the same of the previous ludi.





UNFAIR PLAY

The games are surely sacred, but mankind is evil by nature.

Recovering a big list of common pratices on the ancient roman games, bellow is optional actions the players can take on the races.

Each player has right of 100 denarii of Eris, that can be used to sponsor dirty tricks and assassination missions, or perhaps some defensive measures. Like free-will, you can use it for good or evil.





DIRTY ACTIONS

I - Curse Tablets

By 50 denarii, witchs of the forsaken lands can pray for the Larvas and Tartarus´ Powers to accurse an enemy faction. The curse can take two ways:

a) Increase on 25% the chance of sucess of any dirty trick against an auriga that receives dirty tricks from any faction

b) A 25% chance that the curse lowers the hability of the rival auriga (a ten point reduction on race dices).

If the curse tablet is REAL written on the faction list with cc for the aedile, it cost nothing on denarii. The player can write the text of a curse table against a rival factio or even against a simple chariot or driver asking for ANY EVIL THING against the cursed factio, chariot or driver. The curse table HAS TO BE POSTED IN HER/HIS FACTIO LIST, not in main list. The curse tables posted in other lists won´t be accepted. The limit of curse tables for each player in each ludi is two (2) . I it is written on latin, the curse has DOUBLE of potency. So learn latin, citizens.

II - Bribing rival auriga

Using your 100 denarii, you can bribe an rival auriga. He simply will not use all his talent and will not win anyway on perfect and natural way. It has 50% chance of be sucessfull.

III - Simple murder

This is the simple murder on the previous rules. Costs 100 denarii

IV- Simple sabotage

The player must say to what factio he attacks. The chance is 40 %. If the attempt is uncovered, the chariot of the player CAN´T take part in the race. If the attempt has success, the player with the broken chariot will suffer an accident in the race. Costs 100 denarii



V - Writting on the walls

By 50 denarii, you can send at night boys to write on the walls of the city curses and threatens against a rival auriga. It is a psico-warfare. The auriga will be paranoic and afraid, training bad enough to have a 10% chance of accident on the races.



DEFENSIVE MEASURES

VI - Body Guards

By 100 denarii, the player can hire body guards. It cuts the chance of murder on 50%

VII - Stable Guards

By 100 denarii, the player can hire guards for the stables. It cuts the chance of sabotage on 50%

VIII - Offering on the Temple of Concordia

By 50 denarii, the player can make an small offering on the Aedes Concordiae (http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/aedes/aedes.html) for the safety of its factione and his auriga. It reduces the chance of ANY dirty tricks on 20%. 50 denarii for each auriga/chariot prayed. The curse tablets WILL NOT have any effect.

IX - Cheering your auriga

You can give the 100 denarii to your own auriga, to increase his loyalty. It lowers the bribing attempts by 50%.

X - Small present for the vigiles

You can spent the 100 denarii to make a small bribe for the public vigiles that take care of the games. By this, if your auriga or chariot suffers any sabotage/murder attempt, they will investigate and public show the name of the responsible for the attempt. It is always 100% sucessful (you know, the police ALWAYS knows who made the crimes). If we think about the elections soon, this is the best counter-measure for the dirty actions.

XI - Paint Gallons

By 50 denarii, you buy paint gallons to erase the threatens on the walls... and the aediles will be pleased!



RADICAL DIRTY ACTIONS

XII - Sending a sicarius instead of an auriga

This is the excellence of the dirty actions, and cost you all denarii of Eris (100). You simple say you are incribing a murder instead of a professional racer. On the starting grid, the murder jump of the chariot and simply cut the neck of the auriga of the rival factione, on the front of everyone, and go run away (some of the denarii was spent on bribing the circus´ guards!). This action is 100% sucessful always, BUT everyone knows WHO sent the murder. Alas, this is the most effective way of dirty trick, with the best cost/benefit IF we wouldn´t have elections soon!

XIII - Fire on the stables

If three subscribers spent together their denarii of Eris (300), the sicarii can put fire on the stables of the rival faction. It gives the chance of 20% of each rival chariot be burnt or make the horses so scared to not run never more. Each corp of stable guards reduces on 5% the chance of this be sucesfull.

XIV - Zarabatana

By 300 denarii of three subscribes, a murder can be positioned hidden on the spina of the circus. Having a small poisoned zarabatana, he can kill the first place auriga IF it is not from your faction. The poison is imediate and deadly, the auriga will fall on the ground and not win the race.



THE ULTIMATE DIRTY ACTION

XV - Vendetta

By free, the Domini Factionis can publicly declare Vendetta (Vengeance) against a factione. It gives the chance of 10% of each one rival auriga be killed on streets by popular fanatical (like the Holligans). This is free, but has a cost of REAL popularity.













THAT´S ALL QUIRITES,

HURRY, THE ARE SUBSCRIPTIONS WILL FINISH SOON!










L. Arminius Faustus

Senior Plebeian Aedile, Quaestor,

Interpreter (lingua lusitaniae), Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae.

Visit my office at http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/index.html



"I too in words could fight even Immortals..."

Iliad, Homer, book XX

The answer of Hector about Achilles' speeches.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15996 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-28
Subject: Eagle: name and address
Salve


If you live in Peabody, Mass and send a check to the Eagle recently please e-mail me you Roman name and your macro name so I can match the payment with the right person.


Spqr753@msn,com


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15997 From: Da Flipped Man Date: 2003-10-28
Subject: Re: women in the roman empire
Salve Philippus Flavius Conservatus Maior,

Thanks for the site.

Maarten
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Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 10:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] women in the roman empire


Salvete Maarten,

here you can take a look on the taxes. Pls take care to find your homeland (Gallia).

http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/edicts/consul-2003-03-03-i.htm

The amount is for one yr.
It will be fine to see you in Nova Roma.

Valete

Philippus Flavius Conservatus Maior



>Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com schrieb am 27.10.03 21:09:07:
>
>Salve O. Flavius Pompeius,
>
>Nice to know, there is a good chance to be welcomed into Nova-Roma. I think that's nice. Do >you know how much I have to pay??? Just being interested. Well I hope to see the next dozen >of mails out of Rome in my mailbox.

>Maarten

>Maybe: Martitius Lucius Salvanus is a good name???:)
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15998 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-28
Subject: Where are you, aurigas? - Re: LUDI CIRCENSES - PLEBEIAN LUDI
WELL, WELL, WELL...

I´ve posted the starting of the subscriptions for next races four
hours ago and my mailbox still isn´t flooding...

Where are you quirites? Afraid of some rag-tag coward murder? So,
hire guards!

If you are out of Ludi Victoria, prepare the revenge! If you still
are in, think about the glory of another championship soon...

HURRY UP! SUBCRIPTIONS UNTIL FRIDAY! PLEBEIANS AND PATRICIANS!

Vale
L. Arminius Faustus, Aedile



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Lucius Arminius Faustus
<lafaustus@y...> wrote:
>
> LUDI CIRCENSES
>
>
> PLEBEIAN LUDI
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Regulation
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Nova Roma organize Ludi Circenses, chariot races, during the
Festivals of each year in recollection of the roman customs of
amusement and entertainment. In these games only there take part the
citizens registered in Nova Roma who want to do it according to the
following rules exposed below.
>
>
>
> The Plebeian Aedile call all citizens, all classes, to the chariot
races of Ludi Plebeian. We will tear blood, but we shall write the
races, last races of the year! I´ve heard Praesina will try a
Vendetta, hum?
>
>
>
> This is the rules. About the races, everything is the same. I´ve
put more rules about dirty tricks. You know, there was a market, so
we need to give the novoromans what they want. These ´faustian´ rules
(or I would say ´mephistophelian´ rules?) are for Ludi Plebeian, if
some future aedile wants to use them, for me is OK. If doesn´t want,
OK also. The Aedile do as his responsability, for this he was elected.
>
>
>
> But I remember that the use of dirty tricks are optional. The rules
are below, use as your own risk. And if some citizens doesn´t like
the dirty tricks (not the most virtuous, but indeed a very roman
thing) and doesn´t want to have the possibility to suffer dirty
actions, feel free to not participate (well... Cato was asked to
leave the theather...).
>
>
>
> I myself liked a lot the counter-sabotage possibilities. The
counter-measures offers a very interesting way to not be passive
against the evil rampaging the stables, but remember that ´Living is
too dangerous´ as said the great writer Guimaraens Rosa. If you are
on the game, know that lots of people play hard to win, outside of
the circus as well. At least, we will not have a blood bath... or
will? Well, let´s save our blood thirst for the Munera!
>
>
>
> Praesina, Russata, Veneta Albataque, the apple is on the tree, the
Pandora box is closed. Pick it, open it for your own risk.
>
>
>
>
>
> 1) How to take part?
>
> -------
>
> 1.1) Every player have to send our subscription to
>
> lafaustus@y... [Lucius Arminius Faustus] with the subject "Ludi
Circensis", within the following
>
> informations:
>
> * His/her name in Nova Roma
>
> * The name of his/her driver
>
> * The name of his/her chariot
>
> * His/her tactics (see point 2)
>
> * The name of his/her "factio" or team: Praesina (green), russata
>
> (red), veneta (blue) or albata (white)
>
> * If he/she tries some dirty action againts a rival factio.
>
>
>
>
>
> 1.2) The subscriptions must be sent before 1th November, so hurry
up!
>
> 1.3) Every player only will send one chariot.
>
>
>
> 2) 6 race tactics are possible:
>
> 1. To hurry in the last laps
>
> 2. To pass the curves closely the "spina" of the
circus.
>
> 3. To support a constant pace
>
> 4. To lash the rivals
>
> 5. To push the rivals to the wall of the circus
>
> 6. To hurry in the straight lines
>
>
>
> The calculations are exactly the same of the previous ludi.
>
>
>
>
>
> UNFAIR PLAY
>
> The games are surely sacred, but mankind is evil by nature.
>
> Recovering a big list of common pratices on the ancient roman
games, bellow is optional actions the players can take on the races.
>
> Each player has right of 100 denarii of Eris, that can be used to
sponsor dirty tricks and assassination missions, or perhaps some
defensive measures. Like free-will, you can use it for good or evil.
>
>
>
>
>
> DIRTY ACTIONS
>
> I - Curse Tablets
>
> By 50 denarii, witchs of the forsaken lands can pray for the Larvas
and Tartarus´ Powers to accurse an enemy faction. The curse can take
two ways:
>
> a) Increase on 25% the chance of sucess of any dirty trick against
an auriga that receives dirty tricks from any faction
>
> b) A 25% chance that the curse lowers the hability of the rival
auriga (a ten point reduction on race dices).
>
> If the curse tablet is REAL written on the faction list with cc for
the aedile, it cost nothing on denarii. The player can write the text
of a curse table against a rival factio or even against a simple
chariot or driver asking for ANY EVIL THING against the cursed
factio, chariot or driver. The curse table HAS TO BE POSTED IN
HER/HIS FACTIO LIST, not in main list. The curse tables posted in
other lists won´t be accepted. The limit of curse tables for each
player in each ludi is two (2) . I it is written on latin, the curse
has DOUBLE of potency. So learn latin, citizens.
>
> II - Bribing rival auriga
>
> Using your 100 denarii, you can bribe an rival auriga. He simply
will not use all his talent and will not win anyway on perfect and
natural way. It has 50% chance of be sucessfull.
>
> III - Simple murder
>
> This is the simple murder on the previous rules. Costs 100 denarii
>
> IV- Simple sabotage
>
> The player must say to what factio he attacks. The chance is 40 %.
If the attempt is uncovered, the chariot of the player CAN´T take
part in the race. If the attempt has success, the player with the
broken chariot will suffer an accident in the race. Costs 100
denarii
>
>
>
> V - Writting on the walls
>
> By 50 denarii, you can send at night boys to write on the walls of
the city curses and threatens against a rival auriga. It is a psico-
warfare. The auriga will be paranoic and afraid, training bad enough
to have a 10% chance of accident on the races.
>
>
>
> DEFENSIVE MEASURES
>
> VI - Body Guards
>
> By 100 denarii, the player can hire body guards. It cuts the chance
of murder on 50%
>
> VII - Stable Guards
>
> By 100 denarii, the player can hire guards for the stables. It cuts
the chance of sabotage on 50%
>
> VIII - Offering on the Temple of Concordia
>
> By 50 denarii, the player can make an small offering on the Aedes
Concordiae (http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/aedes/aedes.html)
for the safety of its factione and his auriga. It reduces the chance
of ANY dirty tricks on 20%. 50 denarii for each auriga/chariot
prayed. The curse tablets WILL NOT have any effect.
>
> IX - Cheering your auriga
>
> You can give the 100 denarii to your own auriga, to increase his
loyalty. It lowers the bribing attempts by 50%.
>
> X - Small present for the vigiles
>
> You can spent the 100 denarii to make a small bribe for the public
vigiles that take care of the games. By this, if your auriga or
chariot suffers any sabotage/murder attempt, they will investigate
and public show the name of the responsible for the attempt. It is
always 100% sucessful (you know, the police ALWAYS knows who made the
crimes). If we think about the elections soon, this is the best
counter-measure for the dirty actions.
>
> XI - Paint Gallons
>
> By 50 denarii, you buy paint gallons to erase the threatens on the
walls... and the aediles will be pleased!
>
>
>
> RADICAL DIRTY ACTIONS
>
> XII - Sending a sicarius instead of an auriga
>
> This is the excellence of the dirty actions, and cost you all
denarii of Eris (100). You simple say you are incribing a murder
instead of a professional racer. On the starting grid, the murder
jump of the chariot and simply cut the neck of the auriga of the
rival factione, on the front of everyone, and go run away (some of
the denarii was spent on bribing the circus´ guards!). This action is
100% sucessful always, BUT everyone knows WHO sent the murder. Alas,
this is the most effective way of dirty trick, with the best
cost/benefit IF we wouldn´t have elections soon!
>
> XIII - Fire on the stables
>
> If three subscribers spent together their denarii of Eris (300),
the sicarii can put fire on the stables of the rival faction. It
gives the chance of 20% of each rival chariot be burnt or make the
horses so scared to not run never more. Each corp of stable guards
reduces on 5% the chance of this be sucesfull.
>
> XIV - Zarabatana
>
> By 300 denarii of three subscribes, a murder can be positioned
hidden on the spina of the circus. Having a small poisoned
zarabatana, he can kill the first place auriga IF it is not from your
faction. The poison is imediate and deadly, the auriga will fall on
the ground and not win the race.
>
>
>
> THE ULTIMATE DIRTY ACTION
>
> XV - Vendetta
>
> By free, the Domini Factionis can publicly declare Vendetta
(Vengeance) against a factione. It gives the chance of 10% of each
one rival auriga be killed on streets by popular fanatical (like the
Holligans). This is free, but has a cost of REAL popularity.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> THAT´S ALL QUIRITES,
>
> HURRY, THE ARE SUBSCRIPTIONS WILL FINISH SOON!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> L. Arminius Faustus
>
> Senior Plebeian Aedile, Quaestor,
>
> Interpreter (lingua lusitaniae), Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae.
>
> Visit my office at
http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/index.html
>
>
>
> "I too in words could fight even Immortals..."
>
> Iliad, Homer, book XX
>
> The answer of Hector about Achilles' speeches.
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! Mail - o melhor webmail do Brasil. Saiba mais!
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 15999 From: TiAnO Date: 2003-10-28
Subject: Re: Where are you, aurigas? - Re: LUDI CIRCENSES - PLEBEIAN LUDI
We're coming!!!!!! Just discussing tactics with my wife and translating your rules into German so that Quintus Quinctilius Varus Galili can take part as well !

See you later, TiAnO

Lucius Arminius Faustus <lafaustus@...> wrote:
WELL, WELL, WELL...

I�ve posted the starting of the subscriptions for next races four
hours ago and my mailbox still isn�t flooding...


Tiberius Annaeus Otho (TiAnO) Factio Praesina
Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16000 From: Maarten Date: 2003-10-28
Subject: enough info about roman women
Salve members,

I have had a lot of mails as reply on my post. Now I have more then
enough information. Thanks a lot. Hope I can help sometime.

Maarten
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16001 From: Bill Gawne Date: 2003-10-28
Subject: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Semifinals Part IV
Hello race fans! Welcome back to the Circus Maximus for another day of the
World's Greatest Racing! Today we have the last of the semifinal races in the
Ludi Victoria championship, in which the fourth and final entry for the
championship race will be determined.

Security continues to be tighter than a Vestal's virtue around the Praesina
stables, in response to the spate of attacks against the greens. Everybody is
nervous in the other factions too, because even though most of the attacks
have been directed against Praesina, the Albata and Veneta factions have not
been immune.

In today's race, starting on the inside, it's Firma Fulminata from the Veneta
faction, driven by Tigranes Quasitemptus and owned by Caeso Domitianus
Postumus.

Next, Praesina tries again to get a live driver to the finish line in Radius
Solaris, driven by Apollonius and owned by Livia Cornelia Hibernia. As has
become standard Praesina practice, Apollonius is wearing heavy armor and is
closely guarded.

In the third starting gate, it's Veiense from Russata. Veiense is driven by
Livius Pacuvius and owned by Plebian Aedile Lucius Arminius Faustus, who is
working the crowd right now signing up entries for the Ludi Plebii, which will
be starting right here next week! Let's have a big hand for Faustus!

On the outside, another Russata entry, Potencia, is driven by Philiponicus and
owned by Philippus Arminius Remus. We all know how the Russata drivers love
to double team in the qualifying rounds, but with only one chariot advancing
today you can bet that Philiponicus wants to win just as much as anybody else
out there.

Now... What's this? Radius Solaris has been sabotaged! As the Praesina
chariot was being brought out to the starting gate, one of the guards saw
something amiss with a wheel hub. Further inspection revealed that some wily
saboteur had apparently poured hot lead laced with sand into the axle
bearing! Oh, that would have made for a nasty accident out on the track.
Good thing it was detected, but it's a pity about Radius Solaris, which had
such a good run in the qualifying rounds. We hope that Praesina can make
repairs quickly and have Radius Solaris ready to race next week in the Ludi
Plebii.

The track officials are looking the other three chariots over very carefully
now... and now they've cleared the three remaining chariots to race. The
starting gates are closed... now the Chief Vestal has come forward... there's
the signal... AND THEY'RE OFF!

Right out of the gate the two red chariots are neck and neck. But what's
going on back at the starting line?!? It looks like one of the Firma
Fulminata horses shied, or bucked, or something, as they were breaking from
the gate, throwing the chariot itself into the bars! Firma Fulminata is
enmeshed in the structure of the gate itself, and Tigranes Quasitemptus is
furious! He's trying to back his team... and now they've bolted again! Oh,
what rotten luck! The blue chariot's main bow just snapped in two. Veneta is
out of this race, I'm afraid.

Back on the track, the two Russata chariots are really racing! They're into
the far turn, and down the stretch they come! Both drivers are pouring it on
now. Veiense draws even with Potencia, and now Potencia is pulling ahead
again! Now it's Veiense! Now Potencia! Veiense! Potencia! Again Veiense!
The two Russata chariots are racing for all they're worth!

Into the nearside turn now, it's Potencia on the inside, using his position to
advantage... Coming out of the turn Potencia is ahead, but Veiense is coming
up fast... It's Potencia by a neck... Potencia by a nose... and at the
finish line it's Potencia! Potencia holds on and *just* manages to beat the
late charge of Veiense.

And that's it for today folks! Potencia advances to the final race, to be
held right here in two days time! Reviewing the lineup for that championship
race, it's going to be two from Veneta, Veritas and Fortuna; going up against
two from Russata, Proeliator and Potencia.

Tune in tomorrow for our special pre-race coverage, where we'll bring you the
latest on the investigation into the vendetta against Praesina, the strategies
from the four drivers, and a special feature with Aoife and Latina, the two
women who drive for the Albata faction, where they'll talk about beauty tips,
hairstyles for active lifestyles, the latest fashions in racing tunics, and
their secrets for getting what they want from any man. (Not for the squeamish
or faint of heart.)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16002 From: Christine Schofield Date: 2003-10-28
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Cultural Award
Salve Placidia Prisca,

Congratulations!

A very good epigram, witty and succinctly expressed. A worthy winner.

Vale

Gaia Flavia Aureliana

-----Original Message-----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus [mailto:gawne@...]
Sent: 27 October 2003 20:26
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Cc: KECTAM@...
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Ludi Victoria Cultural Award


Salvete Quirites!

It is my distinct pleasure to announce the winner of the Ludi Victoria
Cultural Contest. After careful consideration of all entries, the prize
goes to...

Placidia Prisca!

Here is her winning epigram:

When newly manumitted, the Stoic told all
"Men are born equal - bondage I will not condone!"
But, when being his own master began to pall,
He quietly acquired slaves of his very own.

Please congratulate Placidia Prisca on her success, and her noteworthy
compositional effort. This reflects favorably on her, her gens, and all
of Nova Roma.

Thanks to all who entered the Ludi Victoria Cultural Contest. Every
effort is appreciated.

-- Gn. Equitius Marinus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16003 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-28
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Semifinals Part IV
> In the third starting gate, it's Veiense from Russata. Veiense is
driven by
> Livius Pacuvius and owned by Plebian Aedile Lucius Arminius
Faustus, who is
> working the crowd right now signing up entries for the Ludi Plebii,
which will
> be starting right here next week! Let's have a big hand for
Faustus!




Dearest Pacuvius, my auriga,

Since I´m gathering the next Ludi, I cannot participate. So your´re
dismissed... anyway, you can always make some services on the Ludi,
I´ve heard praesina needs you... eheheheheh... I know you´re good on
that more than ride... :)

Vale,
Faustus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16004 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-28
Subject: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Part 8
Salvete Quirites!

Throughout the Ludi Victoria, we will have an ongoing trivia contest.
There will be frequent questions and updates.

The previous questions were:

> 1. Translate "qui scribit bis legit" into English.

Answer: He who writes reads twice.

> 2. Who wrote the Twelve Tables? (For full credit give Latin name and
English translation of this name.)

Answer: The Decemviri Consulari Imperio Legibus Scribundis

Translation: The Ten-man commission with consular power for writing laws.


Standings after Part 7:

Titus Octavius Pius: 47 pts
Sp. Postumius Tubertus: 32 pts
Flavia Tullia: 25 pts
Caius Ianus Mediolanensis: 14 pts
Gallio Marsallas: 8 pts


To participate in the contest, please send your answers to
gawne@... (gawne AT cesmail DOT net). Anyone posting
answers to any of the Nova Roma mailing lists will be disqualified,
and will also disqualify any answers sent by anyone else for that
day. Please check your e-mail headers before sending.

Each time we will have a Latin word or phrase to be translated,
with each fully correct translation worth 2 points and 1 point
available as partial credit for translations that are, in the
judge's opinion, substantially but not fully correct. There will
also be a question from Roman history to be answered, worth 5 points
for fully correct answers, with partial credit available.

Here are today's items:

1. Translate "Delenda est Catrhago" into English.

2. How many Punic Wars did Rome fight? Give the years each spanned.

--
Gn. Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16005 From: Decius Iunius Palladius Date: 2003-10-28
Subject: Unavailable 29 Oct- 6 Nov, in Roma
Salvete,

I will be unavailable from Wed. Oct 29 - Friday Nov 7, as I will be on
vacation in Rome. Any inquiries to the praetores can be directed to my
colleague, G. Salix Astur. I will reply to all email when I can after my
return.

Valete,

Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus,
Praetor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16006 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-28
Subject: Re: Unavailable 29 Oct- 6 Nov, in Roma
Salve

You lucky dog , have a great time . If you have the time look around and see if anybody in Rome makes a SPQR ring that might work for NR you never know.


Vale

Tiberius
----- Original Message -----
From: Decius Iunius Palladius
To: Nova Roma ML
Cc: Senatus Novae Romae ; G. Salix Astur
Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2003 5:56 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Unavailable 29 Oct- 6 Nov, in Roma


Salvete,

I will be unavailable from Wed. Oct 29 - Friday Nov 7, as I will be on
vacation in Rome. Any inquiries to the praetores can be directed to my
colleague, G. Salix Astur. I will reply to all email when I can after my
return.

Valete,

Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus,
Praetor


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16007 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-29
Subject: Scipio Africanus
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Scipio Africanus":

http://ragz-international.com/scipio_africanus.htm

This site, created by D. Kent Fonner, provides a brief biography and
links to relevant passages in Livy about Scipio's campaigns.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16008 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-29
Subject: PLEBEIAN LUDI & Factio Albata List
Salve Faustus,

<If you are out of Ludi Victoria, prepare the revenge! If you still
<are in, think about the glory of another championship soon...

I'll be there! And this time Latina better win or I will feed her to her own baby Tiger.

And would the person who is responsible for the Factio Albata list please approve my subscription?
It has been pending for about 3 weeks.I have some private business to take care of there :-)

Vale,
Diana Moravia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16009 From: TiAnO Date: 2003-10-29
Subject: Ludi Plebei
Salvete amici,

Following my accident in the last, bloody, ludi, I have taken it into my own hands to inquire because the aediles have more important things to do. Here my findings and how I reacted to them:

FIRST: Let me be very clear about this: There was NO sabotage in play during the accident, which my chariot suffered, when it tried to take the first curve in the race!! We found out, that the way to built the racetracks in Mesopotamia, where I found my new horses and driver, is very different from our Roman way. The curves in the races there have a radius which can be up to 7 steps (passus in Latin) larger!! It has been found out, that this was the cause for our accident because driver and horses were not able to pass the curve with the speed they were used to because the radius was smaller than they thought!! (Might be a good idea to get new drivers some practice rounds in the circus before the races? )

The fact that another chariot tried to keep our pace and suffered the same fate is not to our liking but it canot be changed. I heard, that all the horses and both drivers are in condition to race again, so at least the accident didn't do too much damage!!

During the last few days, I have trained a lot with my driver and my marvelous black arabs! We have now trained curves and straights a lot and I can proudly proclaim, that my chariot is ready for the next Ludi. The horses are as fast as ever, and they are now able to take the smaller curves of the circus maximus almost as fast as they did the old ones!!
So, dear owner and drivers, prepare your chariots and get ready for hopefully more peaceful races!!

Valete bene, TiAnO




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16010 From: TiAnO Date: 2003-10-29
Subject: Guards being withdrawn from Praesina stables!
Salvete omnes,

Since it is now clear, that no green chariot will be racing in these Ludi anymore, I have withdrawn my century of guards from the stables and after a great farewell party, will be sending them on their way back to Augusta Raurica.

I would like to once again state publicly, that I never ordered my guards to become murders!!! They had strict orders to GUARD the stables and the drivers, but not to kill anyone.

I am not for using dirty play and I am not going to support violence with hired murderers.

Valete bene, TiAnO



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Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16011 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-29
Subject: Re: Guards being withdrawn from Praesina stables!
Are you certain?

Now everybody knows your stables will be... unkeep... open...
vulnerable...

You know, horses can be so easily scared...

Are you sure of that?
AHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAH

Vale,
(In) Faustus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, TiAnO <tiberius_ann@y...> wrote:
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Since it is now clear, that no green chariot will be racing in
these Ludi anymore, I have withdrawn my century of guards from the
stables and after a great farewell party, will be sending them on
their way back to Augusta Raurica.
>
> I would like to once again state publicly, that I never ordered my
guards to become murders!!! They had strict orders to GUARD the
stables and the drivers, but not to kill anyone.
>
> I am not for using dirty play and I am not going to support
violence with hired murderers.
>
> Valete bene, TiAnO
>
>
>
> Tiberius Annaeus Otho (TiAnO) Factio Praesina
> Lictor curiatus
> Translator linguae Germanicae
> Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
> Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
> Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
> Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16012 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2003-10-29
Subject: Re: Scipio Africanus
Salve Gai Iuli et Ave Omnes,

The information you provide links to here is always interesting,
thank you.

In reading the most recent link about Scipio Africanus, this
statement immediately caught my attention:

>>In addition, Scipio armed his men with short Spanish swords (the
gladius hispaniensis), replacing the unwieldy weapons used in the
past.<<

I know you are a scholar. Do you know the source of this
statement? I always thought it was unknown exactly when the Romans
adopted the gladius, and I have never read a description of the type
sword they used before the gladius.

If anayone could shed light on this question, I would appreciate it.

Valete,
Gaius Popillius Laenas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16013 From: KECTAM@aol.com Date: 2003-10-29
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Cultural Award
Salve Gaia Flavia Aureliana,

Thank you so much for your kind words.

May I also use this message to thank the contest judges for their most
generous decision - I couldn't be more delighted!

Vale,

Placidia Prisca


In a message dated 28/10/03 19:52:27 GMT Standard Time,
aureliana@... writes:

> Salve Placidia Prisca,
>
> Congratulations!
>
> A very good epigram, witty and succinctly expressed. A worthy winner.
>
> Vale
>
> Gaia Flavia Aureliana



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16014 From: M. Ivlivs Scipio Date: 2003-10-29
Subject: Re: Scipio Africanus
Salvete,

I am no expert on this, but I always thought that the gladius was the sword of the Romans. Didn't it just mean "sword?" Anyway, when I read about the "Spanish sword," I was under the impression that it was the Falcata, which the Romans feared for its ability to split helmets and such. But I would be interested to know the truth as well.

M. Ivlivs Scipio

gaiuspopilliuslaenas <ksterne@...> wrote:
Salve Gai Iuli et Ave Omnes,

The information you provide links to here is always interesting,
thank you.

In reading the most recent link about Scipio Africanus, this
statement immediately caught my attention:

>>In addition, Scipio armed his men with short Spanish swords (the
gladius hispaniensis), replacing the unwieldy weapons used in the
past.<<

I know you are a scholar. Do you know the source of this
statement? I always thought it was unknown exactly when the Romans
adopted the gladius, and I have never read a description of the type
sword they used before the gladius.

If anayone could shed light on this question, I would appreciate it.

Valete,
Gaius Popillius Laenas



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16015 From: Manius Constantinus Serapio Date: 2003-10-29
Subject: The Roman Law of delicts as applied to robots
AVETE OMNES

For those of you who may be interested, this is an essay on
enforceability of Roman Laws on Asimov's robots.

http://www.wigdor.com/daniel/robots.pdf

BENE VALETE
M'Con.Serapio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16016 From: cassius622@aol.com Date: 2003-10-29
Subject: New Religio Romana Book Study Group
Salvete,

It is my pleasure to announce a new Nova Roma resource for learning about the
Religio Romana, the Religio Romana Book Group.

This group will focus on books about the Religio Romana, by reading and then
discussing a chosen book one chapter at a time. Review topics will be
structured but the discussion itself will be casual. The goal is for participants to
enjoy learning from the books and from one another.

The URL for the group is: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ReligioBookGroup/

You can subscribe from the group website, or by sending a blank email to:
ReligioBookGroup-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

The idea is simple enough - we'll choose a book, then go through it at the
rate of a chapter every week or two. At the end of that time some topics related
to the chapter (and how it is or might be applied in Nova Roma) will be
posted for discussion by the group.

Books will be announced at least two weeks ahead of time so that they can be
purchased, ordered or borrowed from a library by Citizens who'd like to
participate. (And sorry, one *will* need each book to participate - even though it
is understood that this may be a financial challenge or even barrier for some
Citizens.)

THE FIRST BOOK:
The first book to be studied will be "An Introduction to Roman Religion" by
John Schied, published by Indiana University Press, ISBN: 0-253-21660-5 .

"An Introduction to Roman Religion" is perhaps the most focused book on the
Religio that has been published in English to date. This one is all 'meat,'
author John Schied has done a wonderful job in presenting a lot of great
information in a small amount of text. Topics covered in this book include an overview
on the study of the Religio Romana to date, Religio Rituals, the Sacred
Calendar, Roman temples, Sacrifice, Auspices, Priesthood and more.

This book may be ordered online in the Nova Roma Macellum bookstore. Here is
the direct link to the book through the Macellum:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0253216605/novaroma00A/002-3984512-0977
630

START TIME:
The start time for this book will be November 17, 2003. (That means anyone
interested has over two weeks to get the book!)

END TIME:
This book has ten chapters, so it will take at least ten weeks to go through
and discuss this book. Probably more, since we're getting into the holiday
season.

NOTES:
1. You can join the group even if you aren't going to be reading whatever
book is current, but don't expect to participate much in the discussion.

2. If you get a book late, it's fine to read quick and catch up. No problem
with starting to participate say, at discussion three or four.

3. This list will be moderated in that arguments will be shut down quickly.
Disagreeing is fine, but the point of the group is to learn, not fight. Anyone
may be asked to leave if they can't be civil, even members of the NR
Priesthood.

4. It's perfectly okay to subscribe to the list for books one is interested
in, and then unsubscribe during times when one can't or doesn't choose to
participate.

5. It's fine to read or have read a book first before going through it more
slowly with the group. It can't hurt to read a good book more than once, and
focus on the details!

6. This study group will hopefully be a useful way to learn about practicing
the Religio, and possibly as a way for Citizens to "study" toward holding a
Priesthood position in Nova Roma.

If anyone has any further questions, please post or email me directly. Hope
to see you in the discussion group! :)

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16017 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-29
Subject: The Architecture of Pompeii: Public Sites
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "The Architecture of Pompeii: Public Sites":

http://harpy.uccs.edu/roman/html/pompeiislides.html

This site, maintained by the University of Colorado at Colorado
Springs, provides some beautiful photographs of public spaces at Pompeii.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16018 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-30
Subject: Re: Scipio Africanus
G. Iulius Scaurus G. Popillio Laenatati salutem dicit.

Salve, G. Popilli.

> In reading the most recent link about Scipio Africanus, this
> statement immediately caught my attention:
>
> >>In addition, Scipio armed his men with short Spanish swords (the
> gladius hispaniensis), replacing the unwieldy weapons used in the
> past.<<
>
> I know you are a scholar. Do you know the source of this
> statement? I always thought it was unknown exactly when the Romans
> adopted the gladius, and I have never read a description of the type
> sword they used before the gladius.

I am not an expert on Roman military equipment, but one of the
standard treatments of the gladius hispaniensis and its adoption by
the Roman army is M.C. Bishop and J.C.N. Coulston, Roman Military
Equipment (London, 1993). It is my understanding that this ascription
is largely conjectural, based on literary allusions and a sparse
archaeological record. This is also a brief discussion of Roman
swords at the Ancient Roman Technology website run by the University
of North Carolina at Chap-el Hill, but its information is largely
derived from Bishop and Coulston.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16019 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-30
Subject: Plebeian Ludi - Munera - Subscriptions!
Salvete omnia,

Spill blood on the right place!

I´m not receiving so much subscriptions for the Plebeian Ludi Munera,
open to all.

Are you giving up the gladiator´s show?

OR are you wanting to see murders ON THE RACES? Oh, no!

The rules was posted on this list, the time of subscriptions still is
open, but hurry up!

Vale,
L. Arminius Faustus
Plebeian Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16020 From: L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS Date: 2003-10-30
Subject: CALLING FOR THE COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBUTA - Comitiorum Plebis Tributor
Ex Officio Tribunus Plebis Didie Geminii Scepti, Comitiorum Plebis Tributorum Convocatione


I call for the opening of the Comitia Plebis Tributa to be convened to approve the following laws:


- LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBVNICIA.
- LEX MORAVIA AVENTINA DE SENATVS RENVNTIO.
- LEX MORAVIA AVENTINA DE SVFRAGIIS IN COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBVTA ET RATIONE COMITIORVM PLEBIS TRIBVTORVM.


Being Dies Comitiales since 30th October, the following are the dates to proceed:

- Formal debate (Contio) shall begin at 18.00 Roman time thursday the 30th of October

- Voting shall begin at 18.00 Roman time Tuesday the 4th of November.

- Voting shall end at 18.00 Roman time Wednesday the 12th of November.


The texts of the laws to be voted are the following:


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*LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBUNICIA


I. IUS AGENDA CUM SENATU
(Concerning Calling the Senate.)

Any Tribunus Plebis may call the Senate to order as set in the Constitutio, article IV. VII.D.I and therefore follow the rules governing internal procedures of the Senatus as article V.F of the Constitution set.


II. IUS AUXILII LATIO
(Concerning Defending the Res Publica and the Citizenship.)

A. Since the Ius Auxilii Ferendi is a fundamental prerogative of a Tribunus Plebis as set in IV.7.A of our Constitutio, in order for an act of intercessio to be valid the following procedure must be followed whether it is requested by a citizen or by ex-officio.

1. When a Tribunus Plebis issues an intercessio, it must include, in a reasoned exposition in which the Tribunus shall include if the auxilium was requested or ex-officio, the following elements:


a. The official name(s) of the citizen(s) who has requested the Tribunus Plebis to issue the intercessio, or the official name(s) of the citizen(s) on whose behalf the Tribunus has provided auxilium ex officio.

b. The official name and office of the magistrate(s) against whose act(s) or acts the intercessio or auxilium has been interposed.

c. The article(s) of the Constitution or the leges violated by the magistrate's act(s).

2. If the intecessio of a Tribunus Plebis does not include these three elements, the intercessio shall be invalid. The time constraints of the Lex Labiena de Intercessione shall continue to hold such that, if a new intercessio is not issued before the seventy-two hour limit, counted from
the act(s) which occasioned the original intercessio, the Tribunus Plebis shall issue no new intercessio pertaining to that act(s).

3. When a Tribunus Plebis issues an intercessio against the act(s) of another Tribunus Plebis, it must include the following elements:

a. The official name and office of the Tribuni Plebis against whose act(s) that intercessio is interposed.

b. The article(s) of the Constitution or the leges violated by the Tribunus Plebis' act(s).

4. If the intecessio of a Tribunus Plebis does not include these two elements, the intercessio shall be invalid. The time constraints of the Lex Labiena de Intercessione shall continue to hold such that, if a new intercessio is not issued before the seventy-two hour limit, counted from
the act(s) which occasioned the original intercessio, the Tribunus Plebis shall issue no new intercessio pertaining to that act(s).

5. When a Tribunus Plebis shall issue an intercessio or provide auxilium, the procedures for ratification or voiding by the other Tribuni Plebis specified in the Lex Labiena de Intercessione shall be followed. There shall be no requirement that a Tribunus Plebis issue any statement on the matter at hand except agreement or disagreement with the original intercessio/auxilium.

B. When administering the law in accordance with Article IV.A.7.d.iii of the Constitution, a Tribunus Plebis must adjudicate in accordance with current law and the iurisprudentia established by the Praetore and serve the interests of the Plebs and the citizens of Nova Roma.

C. Resolving Disputes Among the Plebs.

A Tribunus Plebis shall arbitrate disputes between plebeian citizens if the parties involved so agree. If any party shall refuse to agree to such arbitration, the Tribunus Plebis shall refer the matter to the Praetor for adjudication under the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria. If the parties agree to
arbitration by a Tribunus Plebis, they shall accept the decision of the Tribunus and may not seek further relief under the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria.The Tribunus Plebis who shall arbitrate the dispute will be chosen by an agreement of the parties. If there is no agreement, the oldest
Tribunus Plebis will arbitrate the dispute.


III. TRIBUNICIA POTESTAS.
(Concerning the Defence of the Tribunus Plebis)

The office of Tribunus Plebis is Sacred in the Republic and endowed on this account with the following powers:

A. Summa Coercendi Potestas.

Any citizen or magistrate who interferes with the official action(s) of a Tribunus Plebis activity shall be fined by that Tribunus with a multa pecuniaria of no more than thirty U.S. dollars ($30.00), paid to the treasury of Nova Roma and devoted to Ceres. Such a penalty cannot be
suspended or revoked except by intercessio of another Tribunus Plebis, or Praetorial appraisal which should permit the fined citizen has further recourse at law under the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria. The right of provocatio will be respected as Article II.B.5 of the constitution states.


B. Potestas Sacrosancta.

Any citizen or magistrate who shall do violence to a Tribunus Plebis in the course of his official duties or refuse to abide by a legal exercise of intercessio shall be brought before the Praetores and judged in accordance with the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria. The severity of the poena shall be
determined in the Praetor's formula in accordance with the severity of the offence. The trial for this offence should be completed within sixty days of submission of the petitio actionis to the Praetor by the Tribunus Plebis, respecting Praetor's use of his discretion on dates. Completion of the term of office of the actor Tribunus Plebis shall not affect trial for an offence for which petitio actionis has been filed prior to the completion of that Tribunus Plebis' term.


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*LEX MORAVIA AVENTINA DE SENATVS RENVNTIO

Preamble:
The purpose of this law is to define the procedures that the Tribunes shall follow when reporting the Senate meetings to the citizens of Nova Roma. The Tribunus Plebis shall hereby be referred to as the reporting Tribune.

I. Procedures for reporting the Senate's Call to order

A. The reporting Tribune) shall publish the agenda of the Senate's meeting in the Nova Roma and the Comitia Plebis Tributa fora within 72 hours of the presiding magistrate's call to order of the Senate.

B. Within this announcement to the people, the Tribune shall include:
i. The date that the Senate has been called to order as well as the date when voting shall begin and the date when voting shall end.
ii. A summary of the items on the Senate's agenda which shall be discussed and voted on
iii. Any additional comments that the reporting Tribune feels are necessary for the people's better understanding of the agenda.

II. Procedures for reporting the results of the Senate's meetings

A. The reporting Tribune shall report the results of the Senate meeting in the Nova Roma and the Comitia Plebis Tributa fora within 168 hours (7 days) of the close of voting of the Senate.

B. Within the report to the people, the Tribune shall include:
1. The date that the Senate was called to order as well as the date that voting began and the date that voting ended.
2. A list of the full names and initials of all Senators who voted.
3. The full name of the Senators who were empowered by fellow Senators to present his/her vote by proxy.
4. The full name of the Senators who did not vote.
5. The number of yes ('vti rogas') votes necessary in order for an agenda item to be passed

6. For each agenda item, the reporting Tribune shall include:
i. The full text of the agenda item
ii. Whether or not the agenda item was passed
iii. The initials of all voting Senators accompanied by their vote and comments (if any).
iv. Any additional comments that the reporting Tribune feels are necessary for the people's better understanding of the report.


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*LEX MORAVIA AVENTINA DE SVFRAGIIS IN COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBVTA ET RATIONE COMITIORVM PLEBIS TRIBVTORVM

Preamble: Where as this year Nova Roma has suffered through seemingly endless runoff elections in the Comitia Plebis Tributa, the current laws relating to electoral procedure have been proven inefficient. The LEX MORAVIA DE SVFFRAGIIS IN COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBVTA ET RATIONE COMITIORUM PLEBIS TRIBUTORUM is hereby enacted to define the procedures by which the Comitia Plebis Tributa shall conduct the business of electing magistrates and voting on leges.

I. The Lex Salicia de Suffragiis in Comitia Plebis Tributa is hereby repealed.

II. The Lex Labiena de Ratione Comitiorum Plebis Tributorum is hereby repealed.

III. Any other previously enacted Leges and Edicta concerning voting in the Comitia Plebis Tributa are considered valid where the contents of those Leges and Edicta do not conflict with the LEX MORAVIA DE SVFFRAGIIS IN COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBVTA ET RATIONE COMITIORUM PLEBIS TRIBUTORUM. Where they are in conflict, the LEX MORAVIA DE SVFFRAGIIS IN COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBVTA ET RATIONE COMITIORUM PLEBIS TRIBUTORUM shall supersede.

IV. Calling the Comitia to Order

As described in the Constitution, a Tribunis Plebis may call the Comitia Plebis Tributa to order, to hold a vote on a lex or leges, or to hold an election. The magistrate who calls the Comitia to order shall be referred to herein as the presiding magistrate.



A. The Comitia Plebis Tributa shall be called to order by making a public announcement in those public fora which shall have been designated for such purposes. The announcement must include:



1. The names of candidates for office and the office for which they are running (when the Comitia Plebis Tributa is being called for magisterial elections).

2. The full text of any plebiscite which will be voted on (when the Comitia Plebis Tributa is being called to vote on a lex or leges).

3. The dates on which the contio shall begin and end, and the dates on which the members of the Comitia Plebis Tributa shall begin and end voting.

4. Any special instructions that are relevant to the mechanics of the vote, if any.



B. In the case of a magisterial election, the presiding magistrate shall have the responsibility for taking all reasonable precautions to ensure that the candidates meet all candidacy requirements as established by law. The Censores shall assist in such efforts as to the best of their ability




V. Timing of the Vote



A. Before calling the Comitia Plebis Tributa to order, the presiding magistrate shall request of the Collegium Augurum that the auspices be taken to ensure that the contio and voting dates are auspicious. This request shall include:

1. In the case of legislation, the full text of the proposed Plebiscite to be voted on.

2. In the case of a magisterial election, the full names of the candidates and the office for which they are running

3. The proposed dates of the contio and the voting.



B. Should the auspices be favourable, the presiding magistrate shall call the Comitia Plebis Tributa to order.



C. Should the auspices be found unfavourable, the presiding magistrate shall choose new dates and shall request of the Collegium Augurum that the auspices be retaken (including the items mentioned in V.A.1, 2 & 3).



D. The announcement containing the call to vote shall be issued a minimum of 120 hours (5 days) prior to the start of the vote. This period shall be known as the Contio, and shall be used for formal discussion of the issues and/or candidates on which the citizens of the Comitia Plebis Tributa shall vote on.



E. During the Contio, those Constitutionally empowered to do so may exercise their powers of intercessio or nuntiatio.

1. The exercise of intercessio shall cancel the vote or election outright, although another call with the same items may be made at a later date.



F. The period between the start and end of the voting must last a minimum of 120 hours (5 days).



G. No citizen who is registered as a Patrician by the Censors shall be permitted to cast a vote in the Comita Plebis Tributa.



H. The ability to vote during the voting period may be impacted and/or suspended due to calendrical issues as enacted by decreta of the Collegium Pontificum. The presiding magistrate shall then by decree extend or move the original start and ending times of the contio and/or voting times.



I. The Rogatores shall tally the vote and shall deliver the results to the presiding magistrate within 48 hours of the close of the voting period.



J. The presiding magistrate shall announce the results of the vote within 48 hours of receiving the results from the Rogatores, in at least the same venues as the original announcement calling the vote was published.



VI. Voting Procedures for Magisterial Elections



A. The Censors shall issue to each citizen a unique voter identification code. This code shall be used to maintain anonymity in the voting process, and to minimize the possibility of vote fraud. In a timely fashion prior to the vote, the Censors shall make available to the Rogatores a list of valid voter identification codes and the tribes with which they are associated. The Rogatores shall not have access to the names of the citizens associated with particular voter identification codes.



B. In consultation with the Rogatores, the curator araneum shall make available a cista; a secure web-based form to allow citizens to vote directly through the official Nova Roma web site. This form shall record the voter identification number and desired vote(s) of the individual. The information thus collected will either be forwarded to the Rogatores as it is gathered, or at the end of the process, at their discretion. Alternative methods of voting may be enacted by other legislation as required



C. Each voter shall be given opportunity to cast their vote in the manner which as follows:

1. The ballot shall consist of a listing of the candidates for office listed in alphabetical order based on the candidates' Nomen, Praenomen, and where applicable cognomen and agnomen(s). The list shall be placed on the ballot in a single column.

2. Beside the name of each candidate the voter shall be able to mark his or her approval of the candidate.

3. A voter may vote for the number of candidates equal to the number of vacant positions. A voter may chose to vote for only some of the candidates or none of the candidates.

4. There shall be an area on the ballot for a write-in candidate should the voter wish to cast a vote for a candidate not listed on the ballot.

5. There shall be an area on the ballot for an abstention, should the voter wish to waive their right to cast any votes for a given magistracy.

6. Once cast, no vote can be altered, even with the correct voter identification code. Should a voter cast subsequent ballots with the same voter identification code, only the first ballot shall be counted and all subsequent ballots shall be considered null and void.



D. Procedures for counting votes.



1. Votes shall be counted per tribe.

2. Each tribe shall cast the number of votes equal to the number of vacancies available for a given office. The vote of the tribe shall be counted as the candidates who receive the highest amount of votes equal to the number of vacancies within that tribe.

3. The candidates equal to the number of vacancies who receive the highest amount of tribal votes shall be declared elected.

4. Should there not be enough candidates to fill all of the open vacancies, a new election shall be called within 30 days from the end of the current election following the procedures stated in V. above.

5. Ties within the tribe shall be resolved as follows:

i. The tied candidates shall have their ties resolved by awarding the tied tribe to the candidate(s) that received the most votes of the Tribes in total.

ii. If the above does not settle the tie then the Rogators are instructed to cast lots in a manner that gives each tied candidate equal odds of winning the tie.

iii. Should a tie occur between candidates in excess of the number of vacancies the ties shall be resolved in the same manner as stated above (VI.D.2.i. & VI.d.2.ii)





VII. Voting procedures for Plebiscites



A. The Censors shall issue to each citizen a unique voter identification code. This code is to be used to maintain anonymity in the voting process, and to minimize the possibility of vote fraud. In a timely fashion prior to the vote, the Censors shall make available to the Rogatores a list of valid voter identification codes and the tribes with which they are associated. The Rogatores shall not have access to the names of the citizens associated with particular voter identification codes.



B. In consultation with the Rogatores, the Curator Araneum shall make available a cista; a secure web-based form to allow citizens to vote directly through the official Nova Roma web site. This form shall record the voter identification number and desired vote(s) of the individual. The information thus collected will either be forwarded to the Rogatores as it is gathered, or at the end of the process, at their discretion. Alternative methods of voting may be enacted by other legislation as required



C. The ballot shall be constructed as follows



1. The full text of the Plebiscite shall appear on the ballot.

2. The voters shall be asked to either approve or disapprove of the Plebiscite.

3. There shall be an area on the ballot for an abstention, should the voter wish to waive their right to cast a vote for a given Plebiscite.

4. Once cast, no vote can be altered, even with the correct voter identification code. Should a voter cast subsequent ballots with the same voter identification code, only the first ballot shall be counted and all subsequent ballots shall be considered null and void.




D. Procedures for counting votes.



1. Votes shall be counted according to tribes.

2. Should a majority of the votes within a tribe approve of the Plebiscite that tribe shall cast one vote of approval for that Plebiscite

3. Should a majority of the votes within a tribe disapprove of the Plebiscite or a tie occur within that tribe, that tribe shall cast one vote of disapproval of that Plebiscite.



E. In order for a Plebiscite to be enacted as law the Plebiscite must receive approval of no less than 18 of the 35 tribes.



F. Once cast a ballot may not be changed. Should a voter cast subsequent ballots, only the first ballot shall be counted and all subsequent ballots are considered null and void.




VIII. Votes may be tallied by automated means should the Rogatores determine such is preferable to, and at least as accurate as, a manual count.





IX. A ballot that is a mix of Election for Office and Plebiscite(s), the Listing of Candidates and the respective offices shall be placed first on the ballot followed by the Plebiscite(s).



X. Only the aggregate votes of the tribes shall be delivered to the presiding magistrate; the votes of individual citizens shall be secret.





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*IMPORTANT*



The texts of the Moravian proposals can be altered as far as I took the original ones. On the other hand, although I have called the Comitia and therefore I would act as the Presiding Magistrate of it, being Moravia Aventina the Tribune with more proposals I shall give her the honour of presiding the Comitia if she accept so.



I ask to all the citizens to discuss the proposals on the period of the Contio. I also ask our Magistrates, the Censors to disclosure the information stated in LEX SALICIA DE TRIBVNICIA COMITIORVM CONVOCATIONE and the Rogatores to prepare the voting and to open the Cista of the Comitia Plebis Tributa on tuesday 4th november.



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vale bene in pace deorum,



L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS

TRIBVNVS·PLEBIS


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16021 From: Diana Moravia Aventina Date: 2003-10-30
Subject: Correction texts of Lex Moravia de Suffragis (etc) and the LEX MORA
Ex Officio Tribunus Plebis Diana Moravia Aventina, Comitiorum Plebis Tributorum Convocatione



First my apologies to all of the citizens. My internet connection has been irregular for the last
few days as well as this morning and unfortunately I was unable to send the final version of my
proposals to the presiding magistrate L Didius Geminus Sceptius before his official call for the
CPT.



The following two proposals should be replaced by the two that my colleague has just presented to
you on my behalf. Again I am extremely sorry for the inconvenience and I take full responsiblilty
for any confusion this may cause.



Please note that the LEX MORAVIA DE SENATVS RENVNTIO has been changed to a more accurate
LEX MORAVIA DE NUNTIANDO TRIBUNICIO SENATUSCONSULTA


Valete,

Diana Moravia Aventina





LEX MORAVIA DE SVFFRAGIIS

IN COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBVTA ET RATIONE COMITIORUM PLEBIS TRIBUTORUM



Preamble: Whereas this year Nova Roma has suffered through seemingly endless runoff elections in
the Comitia Plebis Tributa, the current laws relating to electoral procedure have been proven
inefficient. The LEX MORAVIA DE SVFFRAGIIS IN COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBVTA ET RATIONE COMITIORUM PLEBIS
TRIBUTORUM is hereby enacted to define the procedures by which the Comitia Plebis Tributa shall
conduct the business of electing magistrates, voting on a Plebiscite(s) or to conduct a trial.

I. The Lex Salicia de Suffragiis in Comitia Plebis Tributa is hereby repealed.

II. The Lex Labiena de Ratione Comitiorum Plebis Tributorum is hereby repealed.

III. Any other previously enacted Leges and Edicta concerning voting in the Comitia Plebis Tributa
are considered valid where the contents of those Leges and Edicta do not conflict with the LEX
MORAVIA DE SVFFRAGIIS IN COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBVTA ET RATIONE COMITIORUM PLEBIS TRIBUTORUM. Where they
are in conflict, the LEX MORAVIA DE SVFFRAGIIS IN COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBVTA ET RATIONE COMITIORUM
PLEBIS TRIBUTORUM shall supersede.

IV. Calling the Comitia to Order

As described in the Constitution, a Tribunis Plebis may call the Comitia Plebis Tributa to order, to
hold a vote on a Plebiscite or Plebiscites, or to hold an election. The magistrate who calls the
Comitia to order shall be referred to herein as the presiding magistrate.



A. The Comitia Plebis Tributa shall be called to order by making a public announcement in those
public fora which shall have been designated for such purposes. The announcement must include:



1. The names of candidates for office and the office for which they are running (when the Comitia
Plebis Tributa is being called for magisterial elections).

2. Date of Citizenship of each candidate

3. The full text of any Plebiscite(s) which will be voted on (when the Comitia Plebis Tributa is
being called to vote on legislation).

4. In the case of a trial, the name of the accused, and the charges and specifications of which
they are accused.

5. The dates on which the contio shall begin and end, and the dates on which the members of the
Comitia Plebis Tributa shall begin and end voting.

6. The dates appropriate for voting according to the guidelines set by the Collegium Pontificum.

7. Any special instructions that are relevant to the mechanics of the vote, if any.





B. In the case of a magisterial election, the presiding magistrate shall have the responsibility
for taking all reasonable precautions to ensure that the candidates meet all candidacy requirements
as established by law. The Censores shall assist in such efforts as to the best of their ability




V. Timing of the Vote



A. Before calling the Comitia Plebis Tributa to order, the presiding magistrate shall request of
the Collegium Augurum that the auspices be taken to ensure that the contio and voting dates are
auspicious. This shall be done approximately 5 days before the presiding magistrate plans on calling
the Comitia Plebis Tributa to order. This request shall include:

1. In the case of legislation, the full text of the proposed Plebiscite(s) to be voted on.

2. In the case of a magisterial election, the full names of the candidates and the office for
which they are running

3. In the case of a trial, the name of the accused, and the charges and specifications of which
they are accused.

4. The proposed dates of the contio and the voting.



B. Should the auspices be favourable, the presiding magistrate shall call the Comitia Plebis
Tributa to order.



C. Should the auspices be found unfavourable, the presiding magistrate shall choose new dates and
shall request of the Collegium Augurum that the auspices be retaken (including the items mentioned
in V.A.1, 2, 3 & 4 above).



D. The announcement containing the call to vote shall be issued a minimum of 72 hours (3 days) prior
to the start of the vote. This period shall be known as the Contio, and shall be used for formal
discussion of the issues and/or candidates on which the citizens of the Comitia Plebis Tributa shall
vote on.



1. In the event that, in an election for a magisterial ofice, there are not sufficient candidates
elected to fill all vacancies in that office, the presiding magistrate may call for a follow-up
election among those same candidates who failed to obtain that office in the previous election. For
these follow-up elections, the 120-hour (5-day) requirement for the length of the Contio shall be
shortened to 24 hours.



E. During the Contio, those Constitutionally empowered to do so may exercise their powers of
intercessio, nuntiatio or obnuntiatio.



1. Intercessio may be exercised against either the entire election or vote, or against one or
more individual items on the ballot. If there are any items on the ballot that have not been
subjected to intercessio, voting on them shall proceed normally. The removal of an item from the
ballot due to intercessio shall not
prevent that item from being placed upon the ballot for a vote at a later time.



F. The period between the start and end of the voting in a magisterial election or on Plebiscites(s)
must last a minimum of 120 hours (5 days).



G. In the case of a vote on the guilt or innocence of an accused citizen tried before the Comitia
Plebis Tributa, the period between the start and end of the voting must last no less than 192 hours
(8 days).



H. No citizen who is registered as a Patrician by the Censors shall be permitted to cast a vote in
the Comita Plebis Tributa.



I. The ability to vote during the voting period may be impacted and/or suspended due to calendrical
issues as enacted by decreta of the Collegium Pontificum. The presiding magistrate shall then by
decree extend or move the original start and ending times of the contio and/or voting times.



J. The Rogatores shall tally the vote and shall deliver the results to the presiding magistrate
within 48 hours of the close of the voting period.



K. The presiding magistrate shall announce the results of the vote within 48 hours of receiving the
results from the Rogatores, in at least the same venues as the original announcement calling the
vote was published.



VI. Voting Procedures for Magisterial Elections



A. The Censors shall issue to each citizen a unique voter identification code. This code shall be
used to maintain anonymity in the voting process, and to minimize the possibility of vote fraud. In
a timely fashion prior to the vote, the Censors shall make available to the Rogatores a list of
valid voter identification codes and the tribes with which they are associated. The Rogatores shall
not have access to the names of the citizens associated with particular voter identification codes.



B. In consultation with the Rogatores, the curator araneum shall make available a cista; a secure
web-based form to allow citizens to vote directly through the official Nova Roma web site. This form
shall record the voter identification number and desired vote(s) of the individual. The information
thus collected will either be forwarded to the Rogatores as it is gathered, or at the end of the
process, at their discretion. Alternative methods of voting may be enacted by other legislation as
required.



C. Each voter shall be given opportunity to cast their vote in the manner which as follows:

1. The ballot shall consist of a listing of the candidates for office listed in
alphabetical order based on the candidates' Nomen, Praenomen, and where applicable cognomen and
agnomen(s). The list shall be placed on the ballot in a single column.

2. Beside the name of each candidate the voter shall be able to mark his or her approval
of the candidate.

3. A voter may vote for the number of candidates equal to the number of vacant positions.
A voter may choose to vote for only some of the candidates or none of the candidates.

4. There shall be an area on the ballot for a write-in candidate should the voter wish to
cast a vote for a candidate not listed on the ballot.

5. There shall be an area on the ballot for an abstention, should the voter wish to waive
their right to cast any votes for a given magistracy.

6. Once cast, no vote can be altered, even with the correct voter identification code.
Should a voter cast subsequent ballots with the same voter identification code, only the first
ballot shall be counted and all subsequent ballots shall be considered null and void.



D. Procedures for counting votes.



1. Votes shall be according to tribes.

2. Each tribe shall cast the number of votes equal to the number of vacancies available for a
given office. The vote of the tribe shall be counted as the candidates who receive the highest
amount of votes equal to the number of vacancies within that tribe.

3. The candidates equal to the number of vacancies who receive the highest amount of tribal
votes shall be declared elected.

4. Should there not be enough candidates to fill all of the open vacancies, a new election shall
be called within 30 days from the end of the current election following the procedures stated in V.
above.

5. Ties within the tribe shall be resolved as follows:

i. The tied candidates shall have their ties resolved by awarding the
tied tribe to the candidate(s) that received the most votes of the Tribes in total.

ii. If the above does not settle the tie then the Rogators are
instructed to cast lots in a manner that gives each tied candidate equal odds of winning the tie.

iii. Should a tie occur between candidates in excess of the number of
vacancies the ties shall be resolved in the same manner as stated above (VI.D.2.i. & VI.d.2.ii)





VII. Voting procedures for Plebiscite(s)s



A. The Censors shall issue to each citizen a unique voter identification code. This code is to be
used to maintain anonymity in the voting process, and to minimize the possibility of vote fraud. In
a timely fashion prior to the vote, the Censors shall make available to the Rogatores a list of
valid voter identification codes and the tribes with which they are associated. The Rogatores shall
not have access to the names of the citizens associated with particular voter identification codes.



B. In consultation with the Rogatores, the Curator Araneum shall make available a cista; a secure
web-based form to allow citizens to vote directly through the official Nova Roma web site. This form
shall record the voter identification number and desired vote(s) of the individual. The information
thus collected will either be forwarded to the Rogatores as it is gathered, or at the end of the
process, at their discretion. Alternative methods of voting may be enacted by other legislation as
required



C. The ballot shall be constructed as follows



1. The full text of the Plebiscite(s) shall appear on the ballot.

2. Beside the title of each Plebiscite, the voter shall be able to mark his or her approval of
the Plebiscite.

3. There shall be an area on the ballot for an abstention, should the voter wish to waive their
right to cast a vote for a given Plebiscite(s).

4. Once cast, no vote can be altered, even with the correct voter identification code. Should a
voter cast subsequent ballots with the same voter identification code, only the first ballot shall
be counted and all subsequent ballots shall be considered null and void.




D. Procedures for counting votes.



1. Votes shall be counted according to tribes.

2. Should a majority of the votes within a tribe approve of the Plebiscite(s) that tribe shall
cast one vote of approval for that Plebiscite(s).

3. Should a majority of the votes within a tribe disapprove the Plebiscite(s) or a tie occur
within that tribe, that tribe shall cast one vote of disapproval for that Plebiscite(s).



E. In order for a Plebiscite(s) to be enacted as law the Plebiscite(s) must receive approval of
no fewer than 18 of the 35 tribes.



VIII. Voting Procedures in the case of a Trial:



A. The Censors shall issue to each citizen a unique voter identification code. This code is to be
used to maintain anonymity in the voting process, and to minimize the possibility of vote fraud. In
a timely fashion prior to the vote, the Censors shall make available to the Rogatores a list of
valid voter identification codes and the tribes with which they are associated. The Rogatores shall
not have access to the names of the citizens associated with particular voter identification codes.



B. In consultation with the Rogatores, the Curator Araneum shall make available a cista; a secure
web-based form to allow citizens to vote directly through the official Nova Roma web site. This form
shall record the voter identification number and desired vote(s) of the individual. The information
thus collected will either be forwarded to the Rogatores as it is gathered, or at the end of the
process, at their discretion. Alternative methods of voting may be enacted by other legislation as
required



C. The ballot shall be constructed as follows:



1. The name of the accused, and the charges and specifications of which they are accused.

2. There shall be an area on the ballot where each voter shall have the option to vote
"absolvo" (absolve, innocent), or "condemno" (condemn, guilty).

3. There shall be an area on the ballot for an abstention, should the voter wish to waive
their right to vote on the accused guilt or innocence.

4. Once cast, no vote can be altered, even with the correct voter identification code.
Should a voter cast subsequent ballots with the same voter identification code, only the first
ballot shall be counted and all subsequent ballots shall be considered null and void.



D. Procedures for counting votes.



1. Votes shall be counted according to tribes.

2. In the case of a vote on the guilt or innocence of a citizen tried
before the Comitia Plebis Tributa, each tribe shall vote for
conviction if a majority of the votes received from members of that tribe are marked condemno. Ties
within a tribe will
result in that tribe voting for acquittal.



E. In order for a citizen to be convicted, no fewer than 18 of the 35 tribes shall vote 'condemno'.



IX. Votes may be tallied by automated means should the Rogatores determine such is preferable to,
and at least as accurate as, a manual count.





X. A ballot that is a mix of Election for Office, Plebiscite(s), and/or a Trial the
Listing of Candidates and the respective offices shall be placed first on the ballot followed by the
Plebiscite(s) and/or the details of the Trial respectively.



XI. Only the aggregate votes of the tribes shall be delivered to the presiding
magistrate; the votes of individual citizens shall be secret.

________________________________________________________



LEX MORAVIA DE NUNTIANDO TRIBUNICIO SENATUSCONSULTA

Preamble:
The purpose of this law is to define the procedures that the Tribunes shall follow when reporting
the Senate meetings to the citizens of Nova Roma. The Tribunus Plebis shall hereby be referred to as
the reporting Tribune.

I. Procedures for reporting the Senate's Call to order

A. The reporting Tribune) shall publish the agenda of the Senate's meeting in the Nova Roma and the
Comitia Plebis Tributa fora within 72 hours of the presiding magistrate's call to order of the
Senate.

B. Within this announcement to the people, the Tribune shall include:
i. The date that the Senate has been called to order as well as the date when voting shall begin and
the date when voting shall end.
ii. A summary of the items on the Senate's agenda which shall be discussed and voted on
iii. Any additional comments that the reporting Tribune feels are necessary for the people's better
understanding of the agenda.
iv. If the Senate will be voting on an item which is of a confidential nature (for example the
dismissal of a citizen) for the protection of the citizen(s) in question, the reporting Tribune
should confirm with the Senate as to what details of the vote should be reported to the citizens

II. Procedures for reporting the results of the Senate's meetings

A. The reporting Tribune shall report the results of the Senate meeting in the Nova Roma and the
Comitia Plebis Tributa fora within 168 hours (7 days) of the close of voting of the Senate.

B. Within the report to the people, the Tribune shall include:
1. The date that the Senate was called to order as well as the date that voting began and the date
that voting ended.
2. A list of the full names and initials of all Senators who voted.
3. The full name of the Senators who were empowered by fellow Senators to present his/her vote by
proxy.
4. The full name of the Senators who did not vote.
5. The number of yes ('vti rogas') votes necessary in order for an agenda item to be passed

6. For each agenda item, the reporting Tribune shall include:
i. The full text of the agenda item
ii. Whether or not the agenda item was passed
iii. The initials of all voting Senators accompanied by their vote and comments (if any).
iv. Any additional comments that the reporting Tribune feels are necessary for the people's better
understanding of the report.
v. If the Senate has voted on an item which is of a confidential nature (for example the dismissal
of a citizen) for the protection of the citizen(s) in question the reporting Tribune should confirm
with the Senate as to what details of the discussion/comments/voting should be reported to the
citizens
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16022 From: Alejandro Carneiro Date: 2003-10-30
Subject: Re: Scipio Africanus
>
> I am no expert on this, but I always thought that the gladius
was the sword of the Romans. Didn't it just mean "sword?" Anyway,
when I read about the "Spanish sword," I was under the impression
that it was the Falcata, which the Romans feared for its ability to
split helmets and such. But I would be interested to know the truth
as well.
>

Both swords was common in all ancient Spain. But the Falcata was
rather a weapon of the iberians (south and mediterranean cost) and
the gladius a weapon of celtiberians and the northern tribes, very
influenced by the celts.

The last and I think the best book (sadly only in spanish and french)
about iberian and celtiberian weapons is

"La guerra en el mundo ibérico y celtibérico. VI-II a. de C.), Casa
Velazquez, Madrid, 2002


Salix Galaicus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16023 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-30
Subject: Ludi Plebeian - Subscriptions Until tomorrow!
Salvete,

This is a warning. The subscriptions of Plebeian Ludi Chariot Races
goes until tomorrow.

The subscriptions are for until tomorrow 17:30, Brasilia time
(Greenwitch -3 hours). As you know, since there is just one Plebeian
Aedile, the grid cannot be so big. Like Seneca said ´when the ship is
on dangerous waters, do only small voyages´

HURRY UP for subscriptions!

Vale,
L. Arminius Faustus
Plebeian Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16024 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-30
Subject: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Final Race
Hello race fans! Welcome back to the Circus Maximus where we have the World's
Greatest Racing! Today, it's the championship race of the Ludi Victoria, in
which the four winners of the semifinal races will face off against one
another in a Winner Take All match race, right here on the fast track.

Starting on the inside today is Veritas, of the Veneta faction, driven by the
plucky Maximus Vincentius and owned by Gaius Lanius Falco.

Next, it's Fortuna, also from Veneta, driven by lucky Felix Fortunatus and
owned by Roscia Annaea Pia.

In the number three position, the heroic driver Gustavus Barbarus is mounted
up in Proeliator, the champion Russata chariot owned by Consul Caeso Fabius
Quintilianus. The wild man of the northern forests, Barbarus, is ready to
carve another notch in the handle of his whip. He's the odds-on favorite
according to all the odds makers at trackside.

On the outside it's the other Russata entry, Potencia, driven by Philiponicus
and owned by Philippus Arminius Remus. You can bet that Philiponicus intends
to upset the more famous Barbarus if he can. Russata team loyalty is well
known, but in a final like this it's every driver for himself!

OK... the inspections are complete and the track officials have cleared all
entrants to race... Here's the Chief Vestal... the signal... AND THEY'RE OFF!

Out of the gates Proeliator surges ahead as Barbarus goes for the early lead!
Close behind him Potencia is right there on his tail, as they both crowd for
the inside track. The two blue chariots close in behind now, having gotten a
slower start than the blistering take-off Barbarus managed to coax out of his
team.

Halfway down the front straightaway, it's Proeliator in the lead. Next, two
lengths back, it's Potencia, holding position and hugging the wall. Behind
him, both blue chariots are wheel hub to wheel hub, keeping close and biding
their time.

Into the far turn, Barbarus is taking a PERFECT inside line! He is just off
the wall, as Philiponicus moves up, in a daring attempt to pass ON THE
INSIDE! Will he do it? Can it be done?!? Oh NO!!!!

Folks, it looks like Potencia just exploded out there! The inside hub must
have hit the wall, and the vibration just made the chariot come apart in
smithereens! Both of the Veneta chariots are caught in the wreckage! It's
carnage out there folks! Pure carnage! A triple accident, with twelve horses
tangled up in their harnesses all across the racetrack! Proeliator is all
alone in the backstretch, as Barbarus drives to certain victory.

Now Barbarus looks around, seeing the wreckage back behind him. He's eased
off his team... Now they're around the nearside turn... and here's the finish
line! Gustavus Barbarus has won it, driving Proeliator! And once again he
eschews the winner's circle, driving back to the scene of wreckage to help
carry his fellow drivers from the field.

Well, that's it from the Circus Maximus for today! Russata claims another
championship, as Proeliator survives to be the only chariot across the finish
line. Be sure to join us again next week when we'll bring you the qualifying
races for the Ludi Plebii Ludi Circensis, right here at the Circus Maximus,
the home of the World's Greatest Racing!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16025 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2003-10-30
Subject: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Conclusion
Salvete Quirites!

The time has come to post the answers to the last questions, and to declare
the winner of the Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest.

The last questions posted were:

> 1. Translate "Delenda est Catrhago" into English.

Answer: literaly "Destroyed is Carthage" but all variations were accepted.

> 2. How many Punic Wars did Rome fight? Give the years each spanned.

Three Punic Wars, in 264-241 BCE, 218-202/1 BCE and 149-146 BCE.

Final Standings:

First Place: Titus Octavius Pius: 54 pts
Tied for Second Place: Sp. Postumius Tubertus: 32 pts
Tied for Second Place: Flavia Tullia: 32 pts
Third Place: Caius Ianus Mediolanensis: 21 pts
Honorable Mention: Gallio Marsallas: 8 pts

Please congratulate Titus Octavius Pius, who turned in a prodigous performance
this time around.

Let's also have a round of congratulations for all of the other participants,
especially those new to Nova Roma who jumped in and did such a fine job in
their first Ludi. I encourage them all to compete during the Ludi Plebii,
coming up next month.

--
Gn. Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16026 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2003-10-30
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Conclusion
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Gnaeus Equitius Marinus wrote:
| Please congratulate Titus Octavius Pius, who turned in a
| prodigous performance this time around.

Salve, Gnaeus Equiti Marine.

Thank you for your kind praise. It's been my pleasure, participating in
this very educational trivia. In my search for the relevant information,
I'm sure I've picked up plenty of other interesting tidbits. Thank you
for organising the contest, not to mention the ludi themselves!

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.

- --

"Qui desiderat bellum, praeparet bellum." - Vetinari
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16027 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2003-10-30
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Conclusion
Salve Illustrus Gn. Equitius Marinus!

Thank You for these wonderful Ludi!

Salve Illustrus Titus Octavius Pius!

Congratulations to Illustrus Titus Octavius Pius for winning the Ludi
Victoria Trivia!

Congratulations to all the other participants too
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16028 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-30
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Conclusion
Salve Titus Octavius Pius

Congratulations on a great performance. Your win was most impressive as was your knowledge of Roman history.

Again congratulations!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus




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From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 5:30 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Conclusion


Salvete Quirites!

The time has come to post the answers to the last questions, and to declare
the winner of the Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest.

The last questions posted were:

> 1. Translate "Delenda est Catrhago" into English.

Answer: literaly "Destroyed is Carthage" but all variations were accepted.

> 2. How many Punic Wars did Rome fight? Give the years each spanned.

Three Punic Wars, in 264-241 BCE, 218-202/1 BCE and 149-146 BCE.

Final Standings:

First Place: Titus Octavius Pius: 54 pts
Tied for Second Place: Sp. Postumius Tubertus: 32 pts
Tied for Second Place: Flavia Tullia: 32 pts
Third Place: Caius Ianus Mediolanensis: 21 pts
Honorable Mention: Gallio Marsallas: 8 pts

Please congratulate Titus Octavius Pius, who turned in a prodigous performance
this time around.

Let's also have a round of congratulations for all of the other participants,
especially those new to Nova Roma who jumped in and did such a fine job in
their first Ludi. I encourage them all to compete during the Ludi Plebii,
coming up next month.

--
Gn. Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16029 From: Tiberius Date: 2003-10-30
Subject: New pics
Salvete Omnes
I uploaded 3 new pics in folder Tiberius in the photo section from
the Armilustrium feast that I held. Hope you enjoy the feast was a
great success and had 62 people attend.

Valete
Tiberius
Legatus Legio XXI Rapax
http://www.leg-xxi.org
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16030 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-10-30
Subject: The History of Plumbing -- Pompeii and Herculaneum
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "The History of Plumbing -- Pompeii and Herculaneum":

http://www.plumbingworld.com/historypompeii.html

This essay was originally published in _Plumbing and Mechanical
Magazine_, July 1989.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16031 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: Scipio Africanus
The falcata or kopis was a weapon introduced to the western
Mediterranean area of Greek colonists. There are illustrations of
the weapon on Greek pottery dating to the fifth century B.C. It was
a favored weapon of both the Servian legions of Rome, the Etruscans,
and the Phoeni-Carthaginians. Examples have been discovered in
Northern Africa, Spain, Portugal, Southern Gaul, and Italy in the
western Mediterranean. Supposedly, the weapon was transmitted as
far east as the Indus Valley by Alexander the Great's army and there
is some speculation (but little prove) that the kukri knife used by
the Ghurkas is a descendant of the kopis. See references in
Oakeshott's ARCHAEOLOGY OF WEAPONS and the Osprey Men-At-Arms Series
ROME'S ENEMIES: SPANISH ARMIES and ARMIES OF THE CARTHAGINIAN WARS.

F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Alejandro Carneiro" <piteas@t...>
wrote:
> >
> > I am no expert on this, but I always thought that the
gladius
> was the sword of the Romans. Didn't it just mean "sword?"
Anyway,
> when I read about the "Spanish sword," I was under the impression
> that it was the Falcata, which the Romans feared for its ability
to
> split helmets and such. But I would be interested to know the
truth
> as well.
> >
>
> Both swords was common in all ancient Spain. But the Falcata was
> rather a weapon of the iberians (south and mediterranean cost) and
> the gladius a weapon of celtiberians and the northern tribes, very
> influenced by the celts.
>
> The last and I think the best book (sadly only in spanish and
french)
> about iberian and celtiberian weapons is
>
> "La guerra en el mundo ibérico y celtibérico. VI-II a. de C.),
Casa
> Velazquez, Madrid, 2002
>
>
> Salix Galaicus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16032 From: Christopher Cox Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: HELP a New Citizen - may the Gods smile upon Whomever renders assis
New Citizen has run into a Catch 22 : Am in the process of selecting a Gens,
however sending a Message to a Paterfamilia/Materfamilias requires that I already be
fully established with Name and Passwords!
Quite Vexing!
Am trying to reach the Paterfamilia/Materfamilia of the following Gens:

Ambrosia
Lucilia
Maria
Numeria
Tusculana

I take this decision very seriously!
I have a few questions before I choose a Gen, & thus need to contact those in a
position within these Gens to query. Any Member of these Familiae please E-maill
Whomever is permitted to speak on behalf of the Gen & ask them to contact me :

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E-Mail: hermeticagnosis@...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16033 From: M. Ivlivs Scipio Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: Scipio Africanus
Salvete,

I've looked around for a little while, and I have found the word "Spatha." This is a Roman sword that is dated to the 3rd or 4th century B.C. This might be it. If anyone knows anything about this sword, let me know.

M. Ivlivs Scipio

gaiuspopilliuslaenas <ksterne@...> wrote:
Salve Gai Iuli et Ave Omnes,

The information you provide links to here is always interesting,
thank you.

In reading the most recent link about Scipio Africanus, this
statement immediately caught my attention:

>>In addition, Scipio armed his men with short Spanish swords (the
gladius hispaniensis), replacing the unwieldy weapons used in the
past.<<

I know you are a scholar. Do you know the source of this
statement? I always thought it was unknown exactly when the Romans
adopted the gladius, and I have never read a description of the type
sword they used before the gladius.

If anayone could shed light on this question, I would appreciate it.

Valete,
Gaius Popillius Laenas



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16034 From: M. Ivlivs Scipio Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: Scipio Africanus
Sorry, scratch that previous message. It's 3rd or 4th century A.D., not B.C.

M. Ivlivs Scipio

gaiuspopilliuslaenas <ksterne@...> wrote:
Salve Gai Iuli et Ave Omnes,

The information you provide links to here is always interesting,
thank you.

In reading the most recent link about Scipio Africanus, this
statement immediately caught my attention:

>>In addition, Scipio armed his men with short Spanish swords (the
gladius hispaniensis), replacing the unwieldy weapons used in the
past.<<

I know you are a scholar. Do you know the source of this
statement? I always thought it was unknown exactly when the Romans
adopted the gladius, and I have never read a description of the type
sword they used before the gladius.

If anayone could shed light on this question, I would appreciate it.

Valete,
Gaius Popillius Laenas



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16035 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: Scipio Africanus
In a message dated 10/30/03 9:33:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,
saltearned@... writes:


> I know you are a scholar. Do you know the source of this
> statement? I always thought it was unknown exactly when the Romans
> adopted the gladius, and I have never read a description of the type
> sword they used before the gladius.
>

Traditionally this was the Scipionic reforms of the 200s, his final victory
at in Spain at Ilipa in 207 was the triumph of his changes to tactical
doctrine.

They used two types before the Hispanicus, the Greek short sword with its
leaf blade, said to be adopted from the Etruscans, and the wasp wasted sword
adopted from the Oscans.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16036 From: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Ludi Circensis, Final Race
Salve Consul Quintilianus,
congratulations to your victory, you're our red champion!!!
Our hero, our myth...
Gustavus Barbarus is a good and experienced auriga and I hope he
would like to partecipe in the next Ludi to honorate his victory!

Finally a victory of the Factio Russata, maybe the year of the reds
is not lost and we can take the first place in the chart.

RUSSATA RA RA RA
RUSSATA RA RA RA

And I want to give my congratulations to Illustrus Colleague and
Amice Curule Aedile Equitius Marinus. He organized very funny and
excited races.

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Curule Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16037 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Conclusion
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Caeso Fabius Quintilianus wrote:
| Congratulations to Illustrus Titus Octavius Pius for winning the Ludi
| Victoria Trivia!

Salve, consul Fabi Quintiliane.

Thank you kindly, consul, and congratulations on the victory of your
chariot in the races! I'd put my money on Barbarus, which earned me a
significant amount of gold which I'll spend on a victory celebration for
factio Albata...since you're responsible for my good fortune, I would
like to invite factio Russata to the festivities. Now that the races are
over, let us rest on our laurels, lay down any hostilities between our
factios and instead focus on demeaning the losers in the other factios. :)

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.

- --

"Qui desiderat bellum, praeparet bellum." - Vetinari
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16038 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: Ludi Victoria Trivia Contest, Conclusion
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Stephen Gallagher wrote:
| Congratulations on a great performance. Your win was most impressive
| as was your knowledge of Roman history.

Salve, Tiberi Galeri Pauline.

In the immortal words of one of your own North American legends (be he
alive or not), "Thank-you very mu-uch."

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.

- --

"Qui desiderat bellum, praeparet bellum." - Vetinari
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16039 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS!
WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS!
WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS!
WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS!



So, damn greens, will you try a Vendetta on Plebeian Ludi? UPON MY
NOSE?


Vale,
L. Arminius Faustus, aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16040 From: Lucius Equitius Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Statuary
Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur Quiritibus SPD

Try these sites to see if you can find what you are looking for.

www.eleganza.com
www.itsallgreek.co.uk
www.artfromgreece.com

I've ordered from Eleganza and they very good.

Boanm Fortunam et Valete

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16041 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: HELP a New Citizen - may the Gods smile upon Whomever renders a
Salve

The best help I could offer is to suggest that you apply to join the best Gens in all the world.


The Gens Galeria


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
----- Original Message ---
From: Christopher Cox
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 2:26 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] HELP a New Citizen - may the Gods smile upon Whomever renders assistance!


New Citizen has run into a Catch 22 : Am in the process of selecting a Gens,
however sending a Message to a Paterfamilia/Materfamilias requires that I already be
fully established with Name and Passwords!
Quite Vexing!
Am trying to reach the Paterfamilia/Materfamilia of the following Gens:

Ambrosia
Lucilia
Maria
Numeria
Tusculana

I take this decision very seriously!
I have a few questions before I choose a Gen, & thus need to contact those in a
position within these Gens to query. Any Member of these Familiae please E-maill
Whomever is permitted to speak on behalf of the Gen & ask them to contact me :

mercuriusfilii (Yahoo!) Gnostic (Earthlink) NewDelphicOracle (AIM)

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16042 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: The little things again
Salve Romans

Earlier in the year they was a great discussion on the main list of the small and for the most part non-controversial things that we fix could to make Nova Roma better.

I would like to suggest a small change that would help facilitate communication between citizens of the same province.

On the web page you can send an e-mail to the entire Senate, and you can even send an e-mail to citizens who choose to list the e-mail as "private" by using the e-mail from the web site. The change I am suggesting is to allow citizens to e-mail all members of a given province at the same time. One e-mail sent to a general address would then be sent automatically it to all citizens of the province.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Mediatlantica Provincia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16043 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: Scipio Africanus
Salve Marce Ivli!

Yes the Spatha was a longer version of the "Pompeii" pattern
gladius. I believe it was actually used as early as the 1st century
AD by the calvary who needed a longer weapon to fight from
horseback. It appears to have been adopted by the infantry as well
in the 3rd and 4th centuries, as you said.

Some very nice modern recreations of both can be seen here:

http://albionarmorers.com/swords/albion/albionmark.htm

In the movie "Gladiator" (Laenas ducks as tomatos are thrown from
the real hisotrians) I believe you will see the main character using
both ther spatha (the sword he leaves stuck in the tree) and the
gladius in the opening abttle.

Vale,
Gaius Popillius Laenas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16044 From: Centurion M Bianchius Antonius Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: The little things again
I like that idea.

MBA

Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
Salve Romans

Earlier in the year they was a great discussion on the main list of the small and for the most part non-controversial things that we fix could to make Nova Roma better.

I would like to suggest a small change that would help facilitate communication between citizens of the same province.

On the web page you can send an e-mail to the entire Senate, and you can even send an e-mail to citizens who choose to list the e-mail as "private" by using the e-mail from the web site. The change I am suggesting is to allow citizens to e-mail all members of a given province at the same time. One e-mail sent to a general address would then be sent automatically it to all citizens of the province.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Mediatlantica Provincia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16045 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Ludi Plebeian - End of subscriptions
It is 17:00, Sao Paulo time, and my aedilitian computers are beeing
turn off. This is the end of the subscriptions.

Quarters - 4 grids with 6 bigas and 2 winners
Semifinals - 2 grids with 4 bigas and 2 winners each
Finals - 4 bigas with 1 champion.

Uff... I will die this weekend having to write... Ceres protect me.

But the Munera subscriptions still are open

VAle,
Faustus

Ps. Now... on the night, many whispers are being said... and many
will walk throught the night to garantee outside the circus as well
the winning of its factio...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16046 From: Christopher L. Wood Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: Scipio Africanus
"Gladius" does simply mean "sword" (A "gladiator" is a "swordsman").
Thus the necessity of specifying "gladius hispaniensis" for a type of
sword that was a new type to the Romans. The source in the article is
Livy. The falcata was actually a Greek type popular with Greeks and
Etruscans in Italy. It was introduced to Spain by Greeks and became a
popular style there as well. Wasp-waisted and leaf-blade swords were
used in Italy at the time too.

Scipio is attributed to having recognized the superiority of Spanish
arms; I believe it is just as likely he had simply armed his troops with
weapons contracted from local smiths, and the swords themselves proved
their worth in battle. Certainly the quality of Spanish steel has been
renowned since antiquity, and this natural advantage, coupled with the
skills of the Iberian smiths, may have made the strong, sharp steel
blades an obvious choice for the Romans.

Prior to this, the main weapons of the legionary were the spear and
pilum, and battles were fought in with shield walls of spearmen. Swords
were used as side-arms, and swords of high quality were expensive,
reserved to chiefs and officers. Many swords of Greek and Italian
construction were still bronze. Iron was rarer and soft (a well-made
bronze sword can actually be given an edge harder than iron, but that
edge will be much more brittle than one of iron, and the blade will bend
if struck on the flat) The short iron Spanish sword allowed the Romans
to move in too close to an enemy phalanx for their long pikes to be
effective.

-----Original Message-----
From: M. Ivlivs Scipio [mailto:saltearned@...]
Sent: Wednesday, 29 October, 2003 19:24
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Scipio Africanus


Salvete,

I am no expert on this, but I always thought that the gladius was
the sword of the Romans. Didn't it just mean "sword?" Anyway, when I
read about the "Spanish sword," I was under the impression that it was
the Falcata, which the Romans feared for its ability to split helmets
and such. But I would be interested to know the truth as well.

M. Ivlivs Scipio

gaiuspopilliuslaenas <ksterne@...> wrote:
Salve Gai Iuli et Ave Omnes,

The information you provide links to here is always interesting,
thank you.

In reading the most recent link about Scipio Africanus, this
statement immediately caught my attention:

>>In addition, Scipio armed his men with short Spanish swords (the
gladius hispaniensis), replacing the unwieldy weapons used in the
past.<<

I know you are a scholar. Do you know the source of this
statement? I always thought it was unknown exactly when the Romans
adopted the gladius, and I have never read a description of the type
sword they used before the gladius.

If anayone could shed light on this question, I would appreciate it.

Valete,
Gaius Popillius Laenas



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16047 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: Scipio Africanus
In a message dated 10/31/03 9:09:56 AM Pacific Standard Time,
ksterne@... writes:


> Yes the Spatha was a longer version of the "Pompeii" pattern
> gladius. I believe it was actually used as early as the 1st century
> AD by the calvary who needed a longer weapon to fight from
> horseback. It appears to have been adopted by the infantry as well
> in the 3rd and 4th centuries, as you said.
>
>

OK, If you are going to disseminate information, make sure it is accurate.
The Spatha was a cavalry sword, replacing the Greek short sword carried by
the Equites.

The Gladius had a length of blade (not the tang) between 21-23" Some have
been recovered in Turkey with a length of 18"

The smallest Spatha blade recovered is in Gaul near Orange dated first
century and is 27 1/2" long not including the tang.
The Halsatt period swords recovered from Celtic burial grounds in Bavaria are
dated 6th century are bronze and 28" long.
The main differnce is that the Halstatt finds have rounded tips, while the
cavalry Spatha has a tip like the Hispanicus. By the Cesto Calende find in
Northern Italy dated 5th century had an iron sword with a pointed tip 30" long not
including tang. Though this was a chieftain sword, it is obvious which way
the design was going.
The Le Tene sword burial site has swords dated from 6th -- third century.
This site contained 100s of blades, the early blades being 26" not including
tang, but are rounded not pointed, while the 3rd century swords were some are
pointed, some are rounded. Longest of these are 36" the shortest 27 1/2.

When Marius "reformed" the Roman army, he replaced the Equites who were now
Rome's merchant class with Gallic feoderati. The Gauls had longer swords than
the Romans, average being 27 1/2 inches. The Romans standardized this for all
their Principate horse,
German, Gallic, Thracian, and Spanish, the average being 28"

Simkins famous reconstruction is based on the finds at Canterbury, dated
second century CE, well past our period.
By the 3rd century Spatha's had increased to 30" with some tips rounded,
other pointed.

The Spatha had its origin from the Celts. It was not descended from the
Spanish.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16048 From: Manius Constantinus Serapio Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: The Vendetta of Praesina (was WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS!)
AVETE OMNES

> So, damn greens, will you try a Vendetta on Plebeian Ludi?

As the Dominus of Factio Praesina, I officially state that I have no
intention of using Vendetta against the other Factiones.
What happened during the last Ludi Circenses greatly disappointed
me. Were we in ancient Rome, many people now would no longer be
recognized as citizens.
In particular I was surpised to see how the fact that these are
*virtual* games can delete the awareness of what an assassination is.
Dirty actions are allowed in these games (of course, for fun)
because human mind could excogitate them in reality. But now the
game is moving to how to commit or avoid dirty actions, instead of
concentrating on the race itself.
I know, that's a boring message from a boring man.
Anyway, this time I won't resort to Vendetta, mostly because it is
rather fanny to see how people can be satisfied after they won a
race by killing the stronger opponent :-)

OPTIME VALETE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Dominvs Factionis Praesinae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16050 From: Gnostic Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: Statuary
Lucius Equitius, Augur Quiritibus: Greetings and Thanks! Checked out all three (and bookmarked them!).

Have in fact been shopping for just the right statues of Hermes and Athene - how did you know?
Either your Augury is exceptional or the Gods have inspired you! Either way, may the Gods stand beside you and hold their hands over you, and may They continue to be Good Guides and Boon Companions!

Any other such recommendations would be gratefully received. Thanks again!

- Mercurius <christopher>, filio Mercurii

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From: Lucius Equitius <vergil96@...>
Sent: Oct 31, 2003 6:50 AM
To: ReligioRomana <ReligioRomana@yahoogroups.com>, Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Statuary

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Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur Quiritibus SPD<BR>
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Try these sites to see if you can find what you are looking for.<BR>
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www.eleganza.com<BR>
www.itsallgreek.co.uk<BR>
www.artfromgreece.com<BR>
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I've ordered from Eleganza and they very good.<BR>
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Boanm Fortunam et Valete<BR>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16051 From: Gnostic Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: HELP a New Citizen - may the Gods smile upon Whomever renders a
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, Salve!

Upon the sole basis of your brief note, I looked more deeply into Gens Galeria.

NOT upon the Main Page of the Gens is the fact that your Gens has a Mediatlantian branch - a pleasant surprise, as a Mid Atlantic prospective Citizen (ask your Gens WebMaster/Mistress to update the Main Page - I had not even considered Gens Galeria as the Main Page showed only America Medioccidentalis Superior).

Would you be so kind as to tell me where the Mediatlantian branch of your Gens is located? I am in Alexandria, Virginia.

The promotion, practice and advancement of Religio is of prime importance to me - I am pleased to see that this is a primary focus of Gens Galeria, however while I see my Patrona Minerva listed among the Gens Gods, and have always been fond of Apollo in all his Aspects, I feel obligated to inquire regarding my Patron Hermes (he would be annoyed if I didn't).

Looking forward to your response and learning more about Gens Galeria!

Vale,
Mercurius <christopher>, filio Mercurii

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Oct 31, 2003 7:02 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] HELP a New Citizen - may the Gods smile upon Whomever renders assistance!

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The best help I could offer is to suggest that you apply to join the best Gens in all the world.<BR>
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The Gens Galeria  <BR>
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Vale<BR>
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Tiberius Galerius Paulinus <BR>
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  Subject: [Nova-Roma] HELP a New Citizen - may the Gods smile upon Whomever renders assistance!<BR>
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    New Citizen has run into a Catch 22 : Am in the process of selecting a Gens, <BR>
  however sending a Message to a Paterfamilia/Materfamilias requires that I already be <BR>
  fully established with Name and Passwords!<BR>
    Quite Vexing!<BR>
    Am trying to reach the Paterfamilia/Materfamilia of the following Gens:<BR>
<BR>
    Ambrosia<BR>
    Lucilia<BR>
    Maria<BR>
    Numeria<BR>
    Tusculana<BR>
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    I take this decision very seriously!<BR>
    I have a few questions before I choose a Gen, & thus need to contact those in a <BR>
  position within these Gens to query.  Any Member of these Familiae please E-maill <BR>
  Whomever is permitted to speak on behalf of the Gen & ask them to contact me :<BR>
<BR>
  mercuriusfilii (Yahoo!)  Gnostic (Earthlink) NewDelphicOracle (AIM)<BR>
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  E-Mail:   hermeticagnosis@...<BR>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 16052 From: Gnostic Date: 2003-10-31
Subject: Re: The little things again
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus - Salve!

An excellent suggestion (one of several things I noticed when first finding the Nova Roma Site was the difficulty in contacting Citizens in a particular region for more information about each Gens in the Province).

May I make a further suggestion, or rather an amendation to your suggestion? Either allow the communication system you are proposing to be used by Inquiring Newcomers (like myself) who do not have a Password yet, or suggest a Newcomer Inquiry message sub-sytem that requires no Password and would send the Inquirers query to the Spokesperson for each Gens in their Province. (Those for whom distance is no object could continue to utilize the existing Gens Directory.)

Just trying to be helpful as a good (incipient) Citizen.

Vale,
Mercurius <christopher>, Filo Mercurii

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Oct 31, 2003 7:44 AM
To: Nova-Roma <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [Nova-Roma] The little things again

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Salve Romans<BR>
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Earlier in the year they was a great discussion on the main list of the small and for the most part non-controversial things that we fix could to make  Nova Roma better.<BR>
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I would like to suggest a small change that would help facilitate communication between citizens of the same province.<BR>
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On the web page you can send an e-mail to the entire Senate, and you can even send an e-mail to citizens who choose to list the e-mail as "private" by using the e-mail from the web site. The change I am suggesting is to allow citizens to e-mail  all members of a given province at the same time.  One e-mail sent to a general address would then  be sent automatically it to all citizens of the province. <BR>
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Vale<BR>
<BR>
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus<BR>
Mediatlantica Provincia <BR>
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