G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Maps of Rome":

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1274/

This site, created by Gary Brueggeman, includes the topography of
Rome, its walls, the ancient city colour-coded by type of building,
and plans of several ancient buildings.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salve,

Like most provinces, we in Britannia have a regional
e-list which for the most part suits the purpose just
as you propose.

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus
Propraetor Britanniae

> Salve Romans
>
> Earlier in the year they was a great discussion on
> the main list of the small and for the most part
> non-controversial things that we fix could to make
> Nova Roma better.
>
> I would like to suggest a small change that would
> help facilitate communication between citizens of
> the same province.
>
> On the web page you can send an e-mail to the entire
> Senate, and you can even send an e-mail to citizens
> who choose to list the e-mail as "private" by using
> the e-mail from the web site. The change I am
> suggesting is to allow citizens to e-mail all
> members of a given province at the same time. One
> e-mail sent to a general address would then be sent
> automatically it to all citizens of the province.
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Mediatlantica Provincia
>
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Salve

We do too but only a hand full of citizens are on it. We need from time to time to be able to post to all citizens and that is what I have proposed.

vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: Decimus Iunius Silanus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 8:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] The little things again


Salve,

Like most provinces, we in Britannia have a regional
e-list which for the most part suits the purpose just
as you propose.

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus
Propraetor Britanniae

> Salve Romans
>
> Earlier in the year they was a great discussion on
> the main list of the small and for the most part
> non-controversial things that we fix could to make
> Nova Roma better.
>
> I would like to suggest a small change that would
> help facilitate communication between citizens of
> the same province.
>
> On the web page you can send an e-mail to the entire
> Senate, and you can even send an e-mail to citizens
> who choose to list the e-mail as "private" by using
> the e-mail from the web site. The change I am
> suggesting is to allow citizens to e-mail all
> members of a given province at the same time. One
> e-mail sent to a general address would then be sent
> automatically it to all citizens of the province.
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Mediatlantica Provincia
>
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Salve,

Oh I see. The thing is, membership to any group or
e-list must be voluntary. Like it or not, not all Nova
Romani wish to be as active as you or I. This must be
respected.

Perhaps we should do more to encourage greater
participation on the regional e-lists although I
personally never miss an opportunity to advertise
ours. It can be found at
BritanniaProvincia-subscribe@yahoogroups.com. :-)

Nearly all active British cives are already on our
list, so in actuality it really does suit its purpose.

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus.

> Salve
>
> We do too but only a hand full of citizens are on
> it. We need from time to time to be able to post to
> all citizens and that is what I have proposed.
>
> vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Salve Tiberius, et salvete quirites,

Stephen Gallagher wrote:

> Salve

[with respect to the Mediatlantica provincial mailing list]

> We do too but only a hand full of citizens are on it.

More than you might think. It is a quiet list, but the membership
has more than tripled since I took over the province early this
year, from 15 to the current membership of 47.

As governor, I've written to every one of the 219 citizens in
Mediatlantica. While some of those messages disappeared into
the aether (a problem being addressed in the census) the majority
of them have gotten replies. In the cases of citizens who are
not on the provincial mailing list, they generally do not want
to get e-mail from Nova Roma in anything but official business.
So I would be concerned about any movement to violate their
privacy.

> We need from time to time to be able to post to all citizens

I do, as provincial governor. My legates do, and that is why
I provide them with contact lists for their regions. Private
citizens do not. Magistrates whose business requires them to
contact a citizen can get the information from the censors.

Valete,

--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Propraetor, Mediatlantica Provincia

ease up, citizen. You said:

"The Spatha had its origin from the Celts. It was not descended from the
Spanish."

He never said it was descended from the 'Spanish'. He said the spatha looked
like a longer Pompei type, which it does.

GB Agricola




-----Original Message-----
From: QFabiusMaxmi@... [mailto:QFabiusMaxmi@...]
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 1:19 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Scipio Africanus


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

This thing looks pretty cool. I love the Romans.

Salvete Quirites!

I am pleased to announce the winner of the Second Annual Ludi Victoria
Military Contest. After a hard fought ten days, complicated by e-mail
difficulties caused by the California wildfires, in the end it was very
close. Every one of the participants demonstrated ability in commanding a
Roman Army. But there can be only one winner, and in the end, that winner is:

Servius Fidelius Longinus

Servius Fidelius, as both the Curule Aedile of the Ludi Victoria of 2756 auc,
and the winner of last year's Ludi Victoria Military Contest, it is my
distinct honor and privilege to pass the mantle of victory to you. I invite
you to participate in next year's contest if you are not the Curule Aedile for
those games, because I would like to match my abilities against yours.

I ask that you all congratulate this victor.

Also, I would be remiss if I did not give honorable mention to two other
participants who came very, very close to winning. Those two excellent
commanders are P. Flavius Conservatus Maior and G. Iulius Scaurus. Please
congratulate them also on a job well done, and a battle well fought.

Valete,

--
Gn. Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Quiritibus SPD:

Now, as evening fades into nighttime in Roma, on this Kalends of Novemberis,
it is time to declare the Ludi Victoria of 2756 a.u.c. closed. For the past
two weeks citizens of Nova Roma have written epigrams for the Cultural
Contest, sought out historical information and translated Latin phrases for
the Trivia Contest, entered their virtual chariots in the Circensis, and
matched wits with barbarian commanders in the Military Contest. Each contest
has had a winner, but as importantly every citizen who chose to enter has
gained a measure of satisfaction from the participation. We are all improved
by their efforts.

In all of these things we honor Victoria, patron goddess of those who prevail
through challenge and hardship. May she continue to bless us in the months
and years to come, granting success to all who strive with knowledge, wisdom,
virtue, and endurance to prevail against the foes of our civilization
everywhere.

Thank you all for your participation in these sacred games. Now I turn the
command of the Ludi over to my Plebian colleague so that he may conduct the
last games of the year, the Ludi Plebii.

--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Curule Aedile

Salve this is post to further the discussion and is not a flippant comment

When is it necessary to get the "governments" permission to talk to ones neighbors or post a letter in the snail mail or e-mail.


Vale

Tiberius

----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] The little things again


Salve Tiberius, et salvete quirites,

Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> Salve

[with respect to the Mediatlantica provincial mailing list]
> We do too but only a hand full of citizens are on it.

More than you might think. It is a quiet list, but the membership
has more than tripled since I took over the province early this
year, from 15 to the current membership of 47.

As governor, I've written to every one of the 219 citizens in
Mediatlantica. While some of those messages disappeared into
the aether (a problem being addressed in the census) the majority
of them have gotten replies. In the cases of citizens who are
not on the provincial mailing list, they generally do not want
to get e-mail from Nova Roma in anything but official business.
So I would be concerned about any movement to violate their
privacy.

> We need from time to time to be able to post to all citizens

I do, as provincial governor. My legates do, and that is why
I provide them with contact lists for their regions. Private
citizens do not. Magistrates whose business requires them to
contact a citizen can get the information from the censors.

Valete,

--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Propraetor, Mediatlantica Provincia



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Salvete quirites,

Tiberius Galerius wrote:

> Salve this is post to further the discussion and is not a flippant comment

Really? It looks like a deliberately misleading, polarizing one to me.

> When is it necessary to get the "governments" permission to talk
> to ones neighbors or post a letter in the snail mail or e-mail.

If that neighbor wants you to have the information, there is nothing
preventing it. However, the government of Nova Roma obtains personal
contact information from citizens with an explicit promise of privacy.
If you want to solicit contact information from citizens, and they
choose to let you have it, that's fine. But you do not have access
to the private information that citizens have provided for official
use only. The government of Nova Roma has an obligation to keep the
private contact information of citizens private. That includes
prevention of mass e-mailings from even the most well-intentioned
private citizens.

-- Marinus

In a message dated 11/1/03 12:04:26 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jlasalle@... writes:

> He never said it was descended from the 'Spanish'. He said the spatha
> looked
> like a longer Pompei type, which it does.
>

Salve
Ah, there is that English problem again. Where have you been., Agricola?
There is something I want to discuss off list with you. The sword is 1/4 wider
then the Pompei
Gladius Hispanicus in reality. All the repros I have seen is as wide which
to me is a major mistake. That's all.

Vale
Fabius


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In a message dated 11/1/03 5:12:18 PM Pacific Standard Time,
gawne@... writes:

> However, the government of Nova Roma obtains personal
> contact information from citizens with an explicit promise of privacy.
> If you want to solicit contact information from citizens, and they
> choose to let you have it, that's fine. But you do not have access
> to the private information that citizens have provided for official
> use only. The government of Nova Roma has an obligation to keep the
> private contact information of citizens private. That includes
> prevention of mass e-mailings from even the most well-intentioned
> private citizens.
>
>

Salvete
Not to mention it is a Lex. The reason for this obvious. NR could make
money selling citizens addresses to various mailing lists which have to do with
history. We cannot because of the lex.
Our citizens deserve the right to privacy, unless they voluntarily waive that
right.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus




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Salve Romans

I wrote:
Salve this is post to further the discussion and is not a flippant comment"

Marinus wrote "Really? It looks like a deliberately misleading, polarizing one to me."

I ask How is it deliberately misleading? and how is it polarizing?

Catch 22 time

If you can not e-mail a citizen except in ones capacity as a magistrate you can never get permission to e-mail the majority of Nova Romans who are not part of any list.

Now that is a rather moot point because you can e-mail every single person in Nova Roma by using the e-mail tool from the Nova Roma web site even those marked "private" . The problem is that you would have to write the letter over and over again as you can only use it to send an individual e-mail and you would have to send them one at a time. If I wanted to send a letter to each person in my province I would have to post 219 separate e-mails.


My suggestion was to allow for a more efficient means by linking the e-mails of a province so that one letter sent to the " mail-box" would go to all citizens in that province . The sender would still not know the private e-mail address of the people that they were communicating with because it was rerouted for them.

The bottom line for me is we need to start opening up communication and not placing road blocks to it.

So much for the small things.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] The little things again


Salvete quirites,

Tiberius Galerius wrote:
> Salve this is post to further the discussion and is not a flippant comment

Really? It looks like a deliberately misleading, polarizing one to me.

> When is it necessary to get the "governments" permission to talk
> to ones neighbors or post a letter in the snail mail or e-mail.

If that neighbor wants you to have the information, there is nothing
preventing it. However, the government of Nova Roma obtains personal
contact information from citizens with an explicit promise of privacy.
If you want to solicit contact information from citizens, and they
choose to let you have it, that's fine. But you do not have access
to the private information that citizens have provided for official
use only. The government of Nova Roma has an obligation to keep the
private contact information of citizens private. That includes
prevention of mass e-mailings from even the most well-intentioned
private citizens.

-- Marinus



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xG. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Why Rome Fell":

http://mars.acnet.wnec.edu/~grempel/courses/wc1/lectures/14romefell.html

This site is an interesting essay by Dr. Gerhard Rempel (Western New
England College).

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salve Tiberius,

It is deliberate because rather than rephrasing it to something inoffensive, you LEAD OFF with a defense of the phrasing.
It is Polarizing precisely because you felt it needed to be defended rather than rephrasing it to something inoffensive.

Dignitas et Decorum, my friend!

Vale, Mercurius

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...>
Sent: Nov 1, 2003 7:35 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] The little things again

Salve  Romans

I wrote:
Salve this is post to further the discussion and is not a flippant comment"

Marinus wrote "Really?  It looks like a deliberately misleading, polarizing one to me."

I ask                How is it deliberately misleading?   and how is it polarizing?

Catch 22 time

If you can not e-mail a citizen except in ones capacity as a magistrate you can never get permission to e-mail the majority of Nova Romans who are not part of any list.

Now that is a rather moot point because you can e-mail every single person in Nova Roma by using the e-mail tool from the Nova Roma web site even those marked "private" .  The problem is that you would have to write the letter over and over again as you can only use it to send an individual  e-mail  and you would have to send them one at a time. If I wanted to send a letter to each person in my province I would have to post 219 separate e-mails.

My suggestion was to allow for a more efficient means by linking the e-mails of a province so that one letter sent to the " mail-box" would go to all citizens in that province . The sender would still not know the private e-mail address of the people that they were communicating with because it was rerouted for them.

The bottom line for me is we need to start opening up communication and not placing road blocks to it.

So much for the small things.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

  ----- Original Message -----

  From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
  To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 8:10 PM
  Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] The little things agai

  Salvete quirites,

  Tiberius Galerius wrote:
  Salve this is post to further the discussion and is not a flippant comment

  Really?  It looks like a deliberately misleading, polarizing one to me.

  When is it necessary to get the "governments" permission to talk
  to ones neighbors or post a letter in the  snail mail or e-mail.

  If that neighbor wants you to have the information, there is nothing
  preventing it.  However, the government of Nova Roma obtains personal
  contact information from citizens with an explicit promise of privacy.
  If you want to solicit contact information from citizens, and they
  choose to let you have it, that's fine.  But you do not have access
  to the private information that citizens have provided for official
  use only.  The government of Nova Roma has an obligation to keep the
  private contact information of citizens private.  That includes
  prevention of mass e-mailings from even the most well-intentioned
  private citizens.

Hey!!! Where ya' been Agricola? We missed you ! Byt the way, we tried the Plan and it failed. So we
need a Plan B.

Vale,
Diana Moravia

Salvete all,

Just a quick message to let you all know that our Praetor D Iunius Palladius contacted me from Roma
(where he is on vacation) and is having *way* too much fun without us...

He sends a 'Salvete from Roma" to all!
Valete,
Diana

----- Original Message -----
From: <jlasalle@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 9:02 PM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Re: Scipio Africanus


> ease up, citizen. You said:
>
> "The Spatha had its origin from the Celts. It was not descended from the
> Spanish."
>
> He never said it was descended from the 'Spanish'. He said the spatha looked
> like a longer Pompei type, which it does.
>
> GB Agricola
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: QFabiusMaxmi@... [mailto:QFabiusMaxmi@...]
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 1:19 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Scipio Africanus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
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Salvete Quirites,

I come before you today to resign my citizenship in Nova Roma.
Accordingly, I also resign my office as Tribune of the Plebs and my
office as Propraetor of American Austrorientalis.

I take this action with deep regret, but with much thought and with
the knowledge it is the correct path. The specific reasons for my
decision are too complex to relate here.

I hope the People will forgive me for not completing my term as
Tribune and, thereby, violating my oath, but I believe this decision
to be the best for both the Republic and me. I extend the same plea
to the people of America Austrorientalis. May the Gods forgive me
and show their favor to Nova Roma.

I extend my best wishes for the growth and success of Nova Roma. To
the friends I have made here – Valete!

Valete,
Gaius Popillius Laenas

Of course it isn't necessary to get the Government's permission to make a private posting.
Just don't expect the government to hand over their mailing list for you to do so:
Everyone has to register with the Government, but no where is it stated that the Government has to share that list with anyone.

In fact, I'm sure most of us are glad that our various Governments don't hand out the mailing list to just anyone who asks:
Imagine the flood of e-mail Spam and snail-mail junk mail if they did! Horrifying thought!

If there is an important announcement, there's always the message board, there for anyone.
If it's super-important and regional/provincial, the group Government is easy enough to reach & can distribute it to a region.

Individuals are always free to compile their own mailing lists. How hard can it be to assemble a list of 219 entries? Those who want to be easily reachable put the information out there for all to see. The rest should have their privacy respected.

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...>
Sent: Nov 1, 2003 4:32 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] The little things again

Salve this is post to further the discussion and is not a flippant comment

When is it necessary to get the "governments" permission to talk to ones neighbors or post a letter in the  snail mail or e-mail.

Vale

Tiberius

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
  To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:27 AM
  Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] The little things again

  Salve Tiberius, et salvete quirites,

  Stephen Gallagher wrote:

  Salve

  [with respect to the Mediatlantica provincial mailing list]
  We do too  but only a hand full of citizens are on it.

  More than you might think.  It is a quiet list, but the membership
  has more than tripled since I took over the province early this
  year, from 15 to the current membership of 47.

  As governor, I've written to every one of the 219 citizens in
  Mediatlantica.  While some of those messages disappeared into
  the aether (a problem being addressed in the census) the majority
  of them have gotten replies.  In the cases of citizens who are
  not on the provincial mailing list, they  generally do not want
  to get e-mail from Nova Roma in anything but official business.
  So I would be concerned about any movement to violate their
  privacy.

  We need from time to time to be able to post to all citizens

  I do, as provincial governor.  My legates do, and that is why
  I provide them with contact lists for their regions.  Private
  citizens do not.  Magistrates whose business requires them to
  contact a citizen can get the information from the censors.

  Valete,

  Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
  Propraetor, Mediatlantica Provincia

Salve Gaius Popillius Laenas,

I think that you have a few days grace period to change your mind. Why not just stay and be inactive
and/or quiet for a while? You aren't the first person and you and won't be the last person who
needed to take a break from Nova Roma for a little while (or a long while!). Why not take a break,
finish your time as Tribune quietly and then in a few months maybe you'll feel enthusiasm again?

Vale,
Diana Moravia

Salvete

There being less than three months left in the year, it falls to the
senate to fill vacant magistracies. Therefore, I hereby call for
candidates to serve the remainder of the year as either a tribunus
plebis suffectus or an aedilis plebis suffectus. Qualified candidates
will be placed on the next senate agenda. Note that serving in these
positions will make you ineligible to be elected in the regular
elections for next year's magistrates.

Cives wishing to stand for these positions should contact the consuls at
consuls@... (consuls at novaroma dot org).

T Labienus Fortunatus Consul
--
"Use every man after his desert, and who shall escape whipping? Use
them after your own honor and dignity. The less they deserve, the more
merit is in your bounty."
-Shakespeare

On Sat, 1 Nov 2003, Stephen Gallagher wrote:

> If I wanted to send a letter to each person in my province I would
> have to post 219 separate e-mails.

Or you can ask your Propraetor to do it. The Censors will do
mass-mailings at a Propraetor's request.

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus.
http://www.graveyards.com/

Salve Mercurius

The reason I stated UPFRONT that I was serious and was not just being argumentative is because a large number of people on the main list are thin skinned and sometimes you need to be real clear you are not posting with the intent of starting a fight.

I have in the past posted "absit invidia" and maybe if I had stated that we might have done better.

We can already do what I am proposing . My suggestion is to do it in a more efficient way.

Vale

Your friend

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Fortuna Favet Fortibus

----- Original Message -----
From: Gnostic
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 11:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] The little things again


Salve Tiberius,

It is deliberate because rather than rephrasing it to something inoffensive, you LEAD OFF with a defense of the phrasing.
It is Polarizing precisely because you felt it needed to be defended rather than rephrasing it to something inoffensive.

Dignitas et Decorum, my friend!

Vale, Mercurius

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...>
Sent: Nov 1, 2003 7:35 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] The little things again

Salve Romans

I wrote:
Salve this is post to further the discussion and is not a flippant comment"

Marinus wrote "Really? It looks like a deliberately misleading, polarizing one to me."

I ask How is it deliberately misleading? and how is it polarizing?

Catch 22 time

If you can not e-mail a citizen except in ones capacity as a magistrate you can never get permission to e-mail the majority of Nova Romans who are not part of any list.

Now that is a rather moot point because you can e-mail every single person in Nova Roma by using the e-mail tool from the Nova Roma web site even those marked "private" . The problem is that you would have to write the letter over and over again as you can only use it to send an individual e-mail and you would have to send them one at a time. If I wanted to send a letter to each person in my province I would have to post 219 separate e-mails.

My suggestion was to allow for a more efficient means by linking the e-mails of a province so that one letter sent to the " mail-box" would go to all citizens in that province . The sender would still not know the private e-mail address of the people that they were communicating with because it was rerouted for them.

The bottom line for me is we need to start opening up communication and not placing road blocks to it.

So much for the small things.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----

From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] The little things agai

Salvete quirites,

Tiberius Galerius wrote:
Salve this is post to further the discussion and is not a flippant comment

Really? It looks like a deliberately misleading, polarizing one to me.

When is it necessary to get the "governments" permission to talk
to ones neighbors or post a letter in the snail mail or e-mail.

If that neighbor wants you to have the information, there is nothing
preventing it. However, the government of Nova Roma obtains personal
contact information from citizens with an explicit promise of privacy.
If you want to solicit contact information from citizens, and they
choose to let you have it, that's fine. But you do not have access
to the private information that citizens have provided for official
use only. The government of Nova Roma has an obligation to keep the
private contact information of citizens private. That includes
prevention of mass e-mailings from even the most well-intentioned
private citizens.


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> You aren't the first person and you and won't be the last person who
> needed to take a break from Nova Roma for a little while (or a long

while!).

Yes. A break of three years should do you fine. You will be refreshed
and ready to go after that.

Cn. Rusticus

Salve Mani Constantine Serapio

If yours is a message from a 'boring man', then I would like you to know that
a boring woman tends to agree with you!

I fully respect that some participants think that Dirty Actions add more fun
and excitement to the proceedings (and to an extent they certainly do) but, in
respect of the Ludi Victoria, they seemed to overshadow the races completely.
I was looking forward to entering the next Ludi, but decided not to when I
discovered that the tactics had got even more complicated!

Guess it's a case of 'O tempora! O mores!', and some of us having to accept
that chariot racing just ain't what it used to be in our day, which is a
shame! I wish you more satisfaction with the next Ludi.

Vale,

Placidia Prisca
(Frustrated Albata owner, who never even made it onto the track!)


In a message dated 31/10/03 21:04:40 GMT Standard Time, mcserapio@...
writes:

> As the Dominus of Factio Praesina, I officially state that I have no
> intention of using Vendetta against the other Factiones.
> What happened during the last Ludi Circenses greatly disappointed
> me. Were we in ancient Rome, many people now would no longer be
> recognized as citizens.
> In particular I was surpised to see how the fact that these are
> *virtual* games can delete the awareness of what an assassination is.
> Dirty actions are allowed in these games (of course, for fun)
> because human mind could excogitate them in reality. But now the
> game is moving to how to commit or avoid dirty actions, instead of
> concentrating on the race itself.
> I know, that's a boring message from a boring man.
> Anyway, this time I won't resort to Vendetta, mostly because it is
> rather fanny to see how people can be satisfied after they won a
> race by killing the stronger opponent :-)
>
> OPTIME VALETE
> Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
> Dominvs Factionis Praesinae
>

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Salve Honored Censor

Even if all the Propraetors and Proconsuls were willing and able to do so, I would still ask, are we a community or just a government?

Individual citizens must be allowed to interact with other citizens without the governments permission.

If I post and a citizen tells me he/she has no interest in my "proposal" they that will be the end of my posting to that person on that subject.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Fortuna Favet Fortibus

----- Original Message -----
From: Marcus Octavius Germanicus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] The little things again


On Sat, 1 Nov 2003, Stephen Gallagher wrote:

> If I wanted to send a letter to each person in my province I would
> have to post 219 separate e-mails.

Or you can ask your Propraetor to do it. The Censors will do
mass-mailings at a Propraetor's request.

Vale, Octavius.

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Salve Placidia Prisca;
I am one of those who resorted to assasination after a posting on
our list & considering the odds. I want to apologize for my unRoman
behavior and for tarnishing the reputation of my beloved Factio. I
have voluntarily absented myself from the chariot races in the Ludi
Plebs as reparation. (though not the munera).
My actions meant that you or another Albata entrant were deprived
of the Ludi and I am entirely sorry and will never resort to such
tactics ever again.
I hope this post will let people see the consequences of their
actions and bring back the enjoyment and fair play that make our Ludi
part of NR,
vale P. Fabia Vera Factio Praesina

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, KECTAM@a... wrote:

> Salve Mani Constantine Serapio
>
> If yours is a message from a 'boring man', then I would like you to

know that

> a boring woman tends to agree with you!
>
> I fully respect that some participants think that Dirty Actions add

more fun

> and excitement to the proceedings (and to an extent they certainly

do) but, in

> respect of the Ludi Victoria, they seemed to overshadow the races

completely.

> I was looking forward to entering the next Ludi, but decided not

to when I

> discovered that the tactics had got even more complicated!
>
> Guess it's a case of 'O tempora! O mores!', and some of us having

to accept

> that chariot racing just ain't what it used to be in our day, which

is a

> shame! I wish you more satisfaction with the next Ludi.
>
> Vale,
>
> Placidia Prisca
> (Frustrated Albata owner, who never even made it onto the track!)
>
>
> In a message dated 31/10/03 21:04:40 GMT Standard Time, mcserapio
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete quirites, et salve Tiberius,

Tiberius Galerius writes:

> I wrote:
> Salve this is post to further the discussion and is not a flippant comment"
>
> Marinus wrote "Really? It looks like a deliberately misleading, polarizing
> one to me."
>
> I ask How is it deliberately misleading? and how is it polarizing?

First, it's misleading because your phrasing implies that "the government" is
denying you the right to communicate with other Nova Romans. It's polarizing
because you used a "magic word" argument, invoking the semantically weighted
terms "our neighbors" and "government prevent". You set out from the very
beginning to state your position in terms that imply the big bad government is
denying you your gods given right to communicate with other Nova Romans.

In fact, we're doing no such thing. You can send individual e-mails to every
Nova Roman citizen as it is. If you want to send a message to all the citizens
of a province, you can either send it to each citizen directly, or ask your
propraetor (me) to approve it for a mass mailing via the Censors. Since that
would require the use of a channel not normally available to private citizens
then yes, the message has to be approved (Censored, in fact.)

What the government of Nova Roma is not going to do is make the private contact
information of citizens available to you. If citizens want to communicate with
you, they can - and do - make their contact information available via the many
Nova Roman mailing lists.

> If you can not e-mail a citizen except in ones capacity as a magistrate you
> can never get permission to e-mail the majority of Nova Romans who are not
> part of any list.

Sure you can. Send each citizen you're interested in communicating with a
personal e-mail.

> Now that is a rather moot point because you can e-mail every single person
> in Nova Roma by using the e-mail tool from the Nova Roma web site even those
> marked "private" . The problem is that you would have to write the letter
> over and over again

Oh come on! You can't write up a form letter, and then copy and paste it into
the interface? That'll take you about 30 seconds per citizen. If you want to
talk to me, and I'm not worth 30 seconds of your time, then I don't want to
bother with you.

-- Marinus

Salvete Omnes,
I thought I would put another call out for
Citizen's in America Medioccidentalis Superior
Province(KS, MO, NE, IA, MN, ND, SD, MT, and
WY) to join the AMS_NR mail list. It is a very
low to low traffic list. There are just nine
of us(out of 60+)now.


Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
--
Propraetor
Wichita, KS
America Medioccidentalis Superior

AIM: KSDeist

Salve,
Darn it! I forgot to put the link to the AMS
list. Here it is:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AMS_NR/

Vale,

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
--
Propraetor
Wichita, KS
America Medioccidentalis Superior

AIM: KSDeist

Salvete Omnes,

A Few thoughts on this matter.

First of all a message that one citizen may consider a
friendly greeting may be viewed as unwanted Spam by
another citizen. Since the reciepant of the mail owns
the mailbox it's his viewpoint that counts, not that
of the sender. I would be opposed to this feature
unless it was opt in, where a citizen would have to
take action to be included in any mailings.

The system would also have to have some protection
against actual spammers using it. I allready get
enough posts from people wanting my "aid" in
transfering money from Nigeria without adding Nova
Roma as a new source of Spam.

Also it is NOT any form of Censorship if the
government of Nova Roma dosen't facilitate the
transfer of mail between citizens. Refusing to provide
a service that may be misused or unwanted by some
citizens is NOT censorship. You still have the same
ability to contact other citizens as you would if such
a service was impossible to provide.

L. Sicinius Drusus
Citizen

--- Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:

> Salvete quirites, et salve Tiberius,
>
> Tiberius Galerius writes:
> > I wrote:
> > Salve this is post to further the discussion and
> is not a flippant comment"
> >
> > Marinus wrote "Really? It looks like a
> deliberately misleading, polarizing
> > one to me."
> >
> > I ask How is it deliberately misleading? and
> how is it polarizing?
>
> First, it's misleading because your phrasing implies
> that "the government" is
> denying you the right to communicate with other Nova
> Romans. It's polarizing
> because you used a "magic word" argument, invoking
> the semantically weighted
> terms "our neighbors" and "government prevent". You
> set out from the very
> beginning to state your position in terms that imply
> the big bad government is
> denying you your gods given right to communicate
> with other Nova Romans.
>
> In fact, we're doing no such thing. You can send
> individual e-mails to every
> Nova Roman citizen as it is. If you want to send a
> message to all the citizens
> of a province, you can either send it to each
> citizen directly, or ask your
> propraetor (me) to approve it for a mass mailing via
> the Censors. Since that
> would require the use of a channel not normally
> available to private citizens
> then yes, the message has to be approved (Censored,
> in fact.)
>
> What the government of Nova Roma is not going to do
> is make the private contact
> information of citizens available to you. If
> citizens want to communicate with
> you, they can - and do - make their contact
> information available via the many
> Nova Roman mailing lists.
>
> > If you can not e-mail a citizen except in ones
> capacity as a magistrate you
> > can never get permission to e-mail the majority of
> Nova Romans who are not
> > part of any list.
>
> Sure you can. Send each citizen you're interested
> in communicating with a
> personal e-mail.
>
> > Now that is a rather moot point because you can
> e-mail every single person
> > in Nova Roma by using the e-mail tool from the
> Nova Roma web site even those
> > marked "private" . The problem is that you would
> have to write the letter
> > over and over again
>
> Oh come on! You can't write up a form letter, and
> then copy and paste it into
> the interface? That'll take you about 30 seconds
> per citizen. If you want to
> talk to me, and I'm not worth 30 seconds of your
> time, then I don't want to
> bother with you.
>
> -- Marinus
>
>

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Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "The 79 AD Eruption of Vesuvius":

http://193.204.162.114/vesuvio/79_eruption.html

The site is based on a paper by Scandone, Giacomelli, and Gasparini in
the 1993 volume of the _Journal of Volcanology and Geothermal Research_.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salvete,


GODS ALMIGHT!

While the sun rises on the urbs, on the recent reformed Circus Fauste, between the cranes and workers, the crowd swallows anxious some verses that are seen written on the walls:



"Utinam quadrigarius quidam praesinus nimis nocte pergraecatus odore vini pessimi, quod sectatores russatae factionis in anabathro sedentes potare solent, inhalato nausea commotus oculos a cursu avertat et quadrigam maximo fragore ad metam appellat!"





This is a curse!

One of the worst I´ve ever seen! Neither on the hell grotos of Tessalia, neither on abysms of Cytia, neither on the sunken pits of Capaddocia, neither on the burial chambers of Etruria, neither on the lost galleries of Anhangabau valley, there are so evil inscriptions!

Praesina, Praesina, Praesina, be aware of the ides of November!





Vale,



L. Arminius Faustus

Senior Plebeian Aedile, Quaestor,

Interpreter (lingua lusitaniae), Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae.

Visit my office at http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/index.html



"I too in words could fight even Immortals..."

Iliad, Homer, book XX

The answer of Hector about Achilles' speeches.



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Salvete,

Faster than Faeton driving the solar biga, the Aedile buys some
gallons of paint to erase the curse.

When the vigiles take the truss walkways to go up with the brushes to
repaint the wall of the circus, they notice on the wall something
behind the woods of the truss, yesterday stored. From behind, what
they see written again:


"Utinam toga de anabathro, ubi sectatores factionis Venetae sedent,
ob aestum deiecta in cursum lapsa implicatur rota quadrigae praesinae
et quadrigam in circumvallationem abducat, ut axis frangatur"



Oh my! These problably is another curse tablet! But no, it is an
curse Out-door, not tablet! Another devious mind has conjured dark
unknown powers against factio Praesina.

There is some philosofical discussion on the streets if these curses
do work. One says it is a psico-warfare, others recommend praying for
the Gods, for Salus Praesina et Concordia. Others remembers some
prodiges happened before other races, others make harsh accusations
against the Aedile, the resposible for all this mess, Faustus blesses
these messes! Oh, no, he doesn´t!

(Well... if the dark powers have a so good proeficiency on latin like
most novoromans like me, Praesina can sleep without worries! :) )

This is the big discussion... is it right winning using dirty tricks?
Or Fortuna, this blind and bald Godess, is unfair herself even on the
circus, so there is no problem taking some adversaries of her path
with some ´measures´...

Oh, acer fun!
Oh tempora, oh mores!
Oh times of treason without virtues!
Oh people without good humour!
Oh Iron Age for the Ludi!
Oh times of sorrow!
Maybe the virtues was buried by competitiveness
Maybe all the Ludi is brainless dice, thrown by a mad.
Maybe we are sick and addicted by new delights
Maybe free-will is a too heavy duty for a evil mankind.


This is fans of races... winning of the circus is beeing too simple
for some faction, they want also to win anyway on all paths!

Vale,
Faustus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Lucius Arminius Faustus
<lafaustus@y...> wrote:

> Salvete,
>
>
> GODS ALMIGHT!
>
> While the sun rises on the urbs, on the recent reformed Circus

Fauste, between the cranes and workers, the crowd swallows anxious
some verses that are seen written on the walls:

>
>
>
> "Utinam quadrigarius quidam praesinus nimis nocte pergraecatus

odore vini pessimi, quod sectatores russatae factionis in anabathro
sedentes potare solent, inhalato nausea commotus oculos a cursu
avertat et quadrigam maximo fragore ad metam appellat!"

>
>
>
>
>
> This is a curse!
>
> One of the worst I´ve ever seen! Neither on the hell grotos of

Tessalia, neither on abysms of Cytia, neither on the sunken pits of
Capaddocia, neither on the burial chambers of Etruria, neither on the
lost galleries of Anhangabau valley, there are so evil inscriptions!

>
> Praesina, Praesina, Praesina, be aware of the ides of November!
>
>
>
>
>
> Vale,
>
>
>
> L. Arminius Faustus
>
> Senior Plebeian Aedile, Quaestor,
>
> Interpreter (lingua lusitaniae), Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae.
>
> Visit my office at

http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/index.html

>
>
>
> "I too in words could fight even Immortals..."
>
> Iliad, Homer, book XX
>
> The answer of Hector about Achilles' speeches.
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! Mail - o melhor webmail do Brasil. Saiba mais!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

So many curses Faustus?

My my my but we Nova Romani are a nasty bunch :-)

Yesterday I visited my stable in Gallia and took photos of my new Flemish lead horse who is a
beautiful shade of grey. Clearly the blood of warhorses runs in her veins! Even if she loses, she
will be spared from the barbecue. :-) Unfortunately someone must have cursed my digital camera and
none of the photos came out.

Vale,
Diana

> Individual citizens must be allowed to interact with other citizens
> without the governments permission.

They are, absolutely. The government has never tried to interfere with
that. I even built a tool to facilitate this - the "Send Mail" button
on each Album Civium page - though there was no law or SC requiring it.

Vale, O.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus.
http://www.graveyards.com/

Ehehehe...

Sure none of them are like the Curse upon the Labdacidas or the
Atreides Dinasty, but still are nasty disgusting shameless envious
ludicrous small curses...

Well, I think the general envy has put the colar of Harmonia under
Praesina Neck!

And the reds? Drunkard reds of bad wine? Ahahah, humorous Witch this
one!

´Envy seeks the path of Victory´... the greens must be flattered,
this sure is a testimony of their sucess. Like the saying: ´No one
beats dead dogs´

I know It is little bit dark-humour... Well... even on curses we must
see good things! Alway look on the bright side of life!



Vale,
Faustus - ´the curseless´


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia Aventina"
<diana@p...> wrote:

> So many curses Faustus?
>
> My my my but we Nova Romani are a nasty bunch :-)
>
> Yesterday I visited my stable in Gallia and took photos of my new

Flemish lead horse who is a

> beautiful shade of grey. Clearly the blood of warhorses runs in her

veins! Even if she loses, she

> will be spared from the barbecue. :-) Unfortunately someone must

have cursed my digital camera and

> none of the photos came out.
>
> Vale,
> Diana

M IVL PERVSIANVS SERVIO FIDELIO LONGINO SPD

Many congratulation for your victory in the Second Annual Ludi Victoria
Military Contest. Bravo!

vale

Quirites! I know this is a family page, but I thought some might find this page interesting as it is our mother tongue!

Note: forwarded message attached.


S P Q R

Fidelis Ad Mortem.

Marcvs Flavivs Fides
Roman Citizen



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Salvete,

Following our recent succesful provincial meeting held
in Bournemouth, England, on 4th October 2003, the
finalised minutes are now available. They can be found
in the files section of our provincial e-list. Those
with an interest can subscribe at
BritanniaProvincia-subscribe@yahoogroups.com.

Alternatively, please feel free to contact me
privately and I will gladly forward a copy.

Valete

Decimus Iunius Silanus
Propraetor Britanniae


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I will begin work on Plan B From Outer Space immediately.
-----Original Message-----
From: Diana Moravia Aventina [mailto:diana@...]
Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 3:24 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Scipio Africanus


Hey!!! Where ya' been Agricola? We missed you ! Byt the way, we tried the
Plan and it failed. So we
need a Plan B.

Vale,
Diana Moravia


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Aiirght!

Whats up which you? I've been in a long period period of deep meditation and
woman chasing. I'm so ashamed. So I hear we have land? Whats up wid dat?

GB Agricola
-----Original Message-----
From: QFabiusMaxmi@... [mailto:QFabiusMaxmi@...]
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 7:16 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Scipio Africanus


In a message dated 11/1/03 12:04:26 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jlasalle@... writes:

> He never said it was descended from the 'Spanish'. He said the spatha
> looked
> like a longer Pompei type, which it does.
>

Salve
Ah, there is that English problem again. Where have you been., Agricola?
There is something I want to discuss off list with you. The sword is 1/4
wider
then the Pompei
Gladius Hispanicus in reality. All the repros I have seen is as wide
which
to me is a major mistake. That's all.

Vale
Fabius


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I forgot once again that attachments are not allowed. Here is that link again. Perhaps it would make those threads that get a little nasty more realistic? (Imagine the colorful language that was used in the Senate of old. Cicero and Catalina?)
www.insultmonger.comswearing/latin.htm


S P Q R

Fidelis Ad Mortem.

Marcvs Flavivs Fides
Roman Citizen



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Quirites! Maybe it's a sign from the God's. I will try posting this link one last time.
www.insultmonger.com/swearing/latin.htm
I am computer ignorant.


S P Q R

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Salvete omnes,

Please allow me to intervene briefly to add my two asses to the ongoing
discussion : I feel that my recent experience in trying to organise a
provincial meeting earlier in October could be worth looking back at.

Let me say, fisrt of all, that I understand T. Galerius Paulinus'
predicament and that I tend to agree with his views; I will explain why...

People who have been in my situation know it well : Organising a meeting
depends largely on your ability to publicise the event. Since it didnÂ’t
occur to me (!) that I could actually contact our propraetor to ask him to
e-mail my message en masse, I took upon myself to e-mail personnally all
registered citizens of Provincia Britannia. I must admit it took me a while
and I did curse many times as I copied/pasted/sent my few words through the
cumbersome Nova Roma system designed to reach citizens who havenÂ’t disclosed
their addresses. But, I said to myself, it is after all the choice they have
made and we must respect it. It did raise the question, however, why can't
we have one central click button to e-mail everyone in the province (without
necessarily seeing e-mail addresses)? After all if I can do it one by one
(it is long but can be done) what can't we do it for a group ? unless
perhaps it is exactly designed to discourage this type of wild
mailing...humm, who knows ? ;=)

Anyway, here comes the funny twist ! Not a minute after I sent my message to
60 cives to their supposidely private address, I receive automated e-mails
from NR informing me that such and such cives has received my message and,
guess what, their private e-mail appears on the said confirmation ! So much
for privacy ! (please try to e-mail somebody registered with a private
address and see what happens).

Knowing that, I think there are now two options :

- either we recognise that receiving unsollicited e-mail from a fellow
citizen is acceptable since private adresses can be obtained anyway through
many channels (the example above is one example) and then we can accept that
a group can be e-mailed en masse as suggested by T. Galerius Paulinus;

- Or we need to fix that little problem stated above so that absolutely
nobody can (apart from elected officials) e-mail citizens who expressely
said they did not want to be contacted.

In any case our policy must be a consistent one...

As a final word, I would like to express my support to Paulinus : I share
his views on that particular subject. Indeed, it is my understanding that
citizenship comes with rights but also duties. The duty to seek information
and being accessible to the rest of the citizenships is one of them. And, if
after all that, a citizen really does not want to receive e-mail from others
in NR, he/she always has the option to delete or block e-mails...

I hope my argument was clear : I know that sometimes my thoughts do not
translate well in words. I'll be happy to hear more on the subject from
people who disagree with me so I can learn from their position and point of
view.

Optime Valete

Moravius Laureatus Armoricus
"To a man with a hammer, every issue looks like a nail"

Salve P. Fabia Vera,

Thank you for your apology. I feel rather embarrassed that by agreeing with
M. Constantinus Serapio I've been responsible for your absenting yourself from
the Ludi Plebs. If Dirty Actions are an option in the rules I don't think
you, or anyone else, should feel badly about using them. I was just trying to
say that I wished there were fewer of them, so they didn't cause so much havoc
with the races themselves. I fully respect that others might take exactly the
opposite view, which is their right.

Vale,

Placidia Prisca


In a message dated 03/11/03 01:50:04 GMT Standard Time, rory12001@...
writes:

> Salve Placidia Prisca;
> I am one of those who resorted to assasination after a posting on
> our list &considering the odds. I want to apologize for my unRoman
> behavior and for tarnishing the reputation of my beloved Factio. I
> have voluntarily absented myself from the chariot races in the Ludi
> Plebs as reparation. (though not the munera).
> My actions meant that you or another Albata entrant were deprived
> of the Ludi and I am entirely sorry and will never resort to such
> tactics ever again.
> I hope this post will let people see the consequences of their
> actions and bring back the enjoyment and fair play that make our Ludi
> part of NR,
> vale P. Fabia Vera Factio Praesina
>
>

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Salve Moravius Laureatus Armoricus

Thanks for making my point better than I did.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: Laureatus Armoricus
To: Main list Nova Roma
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 1:11 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Private e-mail and the rest


Salvete omnes,

Please allow me to intervene briefly to add my two asses to the ongoing
discussion : I feel that my recent experience in trying to organise a
provincial meeting earlier in October could be worth looking back at.

Let me say, fisrt of all, that I understand T. Galerius Paulinus'
predicament and that I tend to agree with his views; I will explain why...

People who have been in my situation know it well : Organising a meeting
depends largely on your ability to publicise the event. Since it didn't
occur to me (!) that I could actually contact our propraetor to ask him to
e-mail my message en masse, I took upon myself to e-mail personnally all
registered citizens of Provincia Britannia. I must admit it took me a while
and I did curse many times as I copied/pasted/sent my few words through the
cumbersome Nova Roma system designed to reach citizens who haven't disclosed
their addresses. But, I said to myself, it is after all the choice they have
made and we must respect it. It did raise the question, however, why can't
we have one central click button to e-mail everyone in the province (without
necessarily seeing e-mail addresses)? After all if I can do it one by one
(it is long but can be done) what can't we do it for a group ? unless
perhaps it is exactly designed to discourage this type of wild
mailing...humm, who knows ? ;=)

Anyway, here comes the funny twist ! Not a minute after I sent my message to
60 cives to their supposidely private address, I receive automated e-mails
from NR informing me that such and such cives has received my message and,
guess what, their private e-mail appears on the said confirmation ! So much
for privacy ! (please try to e-mail somebody registered with a private
address and see what happens).

Knowing that, I think there are now two options :

- either we recognise that receiving unsollicited e-mail from a fellow
citizen is acceptable since private adresses can be obtained anyway through
many channels (the example above is one example) and then we can accept that
a group can be e-mailed en masse as suggested by T. Galerius Paulinus;

- Or we need to fix that little problem stated above so that absolutely
nobody can (apart from elected officials) e-mail citizens who expressely
said they did not want to be contacted.

In any case our policy must be a consistent one...

As a final word, I would like to express my support to Paulinus : I share
his views on that particular subject. Indeed, it is my understanding that
citizenship comes with rights but also duties. The duty to seek information
and being accessible to the rest of the citizenships is one of them. And, if
after all that, a citizen really does not want to receive e-mail from others
in NR, he/she always has the option to delete or block e-mails...

I hope my argument was clear : I know that sometimes my thoughts do not
translate well in words. I'll be happy to hear more on the subject from
people who disagree with me so I can learn from their position and point of
view.

Optime Valete

Moravius Laureatus Armoricus
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It is a Community with a Government, and that Government must obey the Lex: This we all know, and hopefully appreciate. So please let's turn down the Rhetoric and the rising emotional tone and stick to the facts of the proposal:

1} The communication system we have already allows messages to anyone, without revealing their e-mail address.
2} The Message Board already exists as a means of communicating with everyone in Nova Roma.
3} What is lacking lay between these two extremes - a means of contacting people in a region without bothering everyone else.
4} Membership would be improved if prospective members could contact existing members in their area without a Password.
5} Participation in a Provincial Mail Routing system would be voluntary, since this is not for official Government business.
6} It should not be necessary to go to the Propraetor, who then goes to the Censor, to send out an area barbeque invitation.
7} Anything that facillitates communication should improve sense of community and involvement, which are good things.
8} Even though participation in a Provincial Mail Router would be voluntary, it would be nice to be officially given that option.

This is the sum and substance of the Provincial Communication Proposal; anything not touching upon the merits of these points or the lack thereof should be deemed provocative and Rhetorical as they detract from the substance of the discussion.

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...>
Sent: Nov 2, 2003 4:18 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
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Salve Honored Censor <BR>
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Even if all the Propraetors and Proconsuls were willing and able to do so,  I  would still ask, are we a community or just a government? <BR>
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Individual citizens must be allowed to interact with other citizens without the governments permission.<BR>
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If I post and a citizen tells me he/she has no interest in my "proposal" they that will be the end of my posting to that person on that subject.<BR>
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Vale<BR>
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  Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2003 6:10 PM<BR>
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  > If I wanted to send a letter to each person in my province I would<BR>
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  Or you can ask your Propraetor to do it.  The Censors will do<BR>
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  Vale, Octavius.<BR>
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---Salve Placidia Prisca;
please in no way feel any emabarassment, my poor factio never even
had a chance to enter the races and this made me reflect on my
behavior. If I want Scaurus and Saturninus & Julilla to have the
enjoyment I certainly want you too as well!
Our Factio has decided against such actions but any of us are free
to join another factio. So please enjoy yourself, I hope you are in
the semis; believe me I will enjoy these games far more than I did
the last.

> Salve P. Fabia Vera,
>
> Thank you for your apology. I feel rather embarrassed that by

agreeing with

> M. Constantinus Serapio I've been responsible for your absenting

yourself from

> the Ludi Plebs. .
>
> Vale,
>
> Placidia Prisca
>
>
> In a message dated 03/11/03 01:50:04 GMT Standard Time,

rory12001@y...

> writes:
>
> > Salve Placidia Prisca;
> > I am one of those who resorted to assasination after a posting on
> > our list &considering the odds. I want to apologize for my

unRoman

> > behavior and for tarnishing the reputation of my beloved Factio.

I

> > have voluntarily absented myself from the chariot races in the

Ludi

> > Plebs as reparation. (though not the munera).
> > My actions meant that you or another Albata entrant were

deprived

> > of the Ludi and I am entirely sorry and will never resort to such
> > tactics ever again.
> > I hope this post will let people see the consequences of their
> > actions and bring back the enjoyment and fair play that make our

Ludi

> > part of NR,
> > vale P. Fabia Vera Factio Praesina
> >
> >
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete Illustri Proconsules et Propraetores!

I hereby call for the Provincial budgets. According to Senatvs
Consvlta, Regulation of Gubernatorial Prorogation the latest date is
by the Kalends of November. The S.C. is at
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2001-03-11-iv.html

My non existing Latin skill lead me to believe that the Kalends meant
that we still had time to deal with this issue. I have now learnt
that this isn't the case. I hope the Senate will excuse Governors who
will send in their budgets too late because of the mistake of the
Consules.
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Salvete,

It is my pleasure to announce that Gaius Iulius Scarus has been appointed to
the position of Pontiff by the Collegium Pontificum of Nova Roma. His
excellent knowledge of the Religio Romana

As Pontiff, and part of the Collegium Pontificum, Scarus will be responsible
for helping to rebuild the Religio Romana overall, as well as working to
oversee the regular rites and festivals of the Religio in Nova Roma.

Scarus' excellent knowledge of the Religio Romana will be a great asset to
both the Collegium and Nova Roma, and I hope all Citizens will join me in
welcoming him to this new position!

Ave, Gaius Iulius Scarus, Pontiff of Nova Roma!

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus


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Salvete,

It is my pleasure to announce that in addition to being accepted as a Pontiff
of Nova Roma, Gaius Iulius Scarus has also been concurrently appointed to the
position of Flamen Quirinalis. This post was suggested by our Flamen
Martialis, Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus, in the hopes that both Mars and Quirinus could
have active Flamens. Nova Roma is fortunate that Scarus was willing to stand
for this post as well.

As Flamen Quirinalis, Scarus will be responsible for helping to rebuild the
worship of Quirinus in Nova Roma and beyond, as well as keeping the public days
and rites sacred to Quirinus.

I believe he will do a wonderful job in this position. I hope that our
Citizens will both welcome him to this new priesthood, and also consult with him
regarding the rites and worship of Quirinus when such information is needed.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus


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Salvete,

I am pleased to announce that L. Sicinius Drusus has been appointed to the
position of Pontiff by the Collegium Pontificum of Nova Roma.

As Pontiff, and part of the Collegium Pontificum, Drusus will now be
responsible for helping to rebuild the Religio Romana overall, as well as working to
oversee the regular rites and festivals of the Religio in Nova Roma.

It is my hope that Drusus' dedication to the Religio will be a great help to
both the Collegium and the Citizens of Nova Roma, and I hope all Citizens will
join me in welcoming him to this new position!

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus


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Salvete,

It is my pleasure to announce that Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia has been
appointed to the position of Sacerdos Diana.

As a Sacerdos Diana (Priestess of Diana) , Aramentia Moravia will be
responsible for helping to rebuild the worship of Diana in Nova Roma and beyond, as
well as keeping the public days and rites sacred to Diana.

I believe she will do a wonderful job in this position. I hope that our
Citizens will join me in welcoming her to this new position!


Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus


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> It did raise the question, however, why can't
> we have one central click button to e-mail everyone in the province (without
> necessarily seeing e-mail addresses)? After all if I can do it one by one
> (it is long but can be done) what can't we do it for a group ? unless
> perhaps it is exactly designed to discourage this type of wild
> mailing...humm, who knows ? ;=)

Exactly. It would take me about an hour to build what you describe... but
I don't think it's a good idea. What's to prevent a candidate for office
from mailing "vote for me!" to every citizen? At least now, in order to
exercise such bad taste, they'll have to put some effort into it.

> Anyway, here comes the funny twist !

Fixed.

> - Or we need to fix that little problem stated above so that absolutely
> nobody can (apart from elected officials) e-mail citizens who expressely
> said they did not want to be contacted.

There's a setting even more restrictive than "private address" -
'private, and disable "mail citizen" button'. You can set this
at http://www.novaroma.org/bin/prefs

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus.
http://www.graveyards.com/

Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur Quiritibus S.P.D.:

As a member of the Comitia Curiata, I witness the following priest appointments:

Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex, Gaius Iulius Scaurus

Pontifex, Senator Lucius Sicinius Drusus

Sacerdos Diana, Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia

QVOD BONVM FAVSTVM FELIX FORTVNATVMQVE SIT POPVLO ROMANO QUIRITIBVS


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As a member of the Comitia Curiata, I witness the following priest
appointments:

Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex, Gaius Iulius Scaurus
Pontifex, Senator Lucius Sicinius Drusus
Sacerdos Diana, Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia

My good wishes and prayers go with you all.


-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@...

Salve Honored Censor

you said in part

"At least now, in order to exercise such bad taste, they'll have to put some effort into it.


I do not have in mind candidates for office using this but in all fairness I must ask why would it be in bad taste to e-mail a citizen and ask for his or her vote? we are a democratic Republic are we not?


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: Marcus Octavius Germanicus
To: Main list Nova Roma
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Private e-mail and the rest


> It did raise the question, however, why can't
> we have one central click button to e-mail everyone in the province (without
> necessarily seeing e-mail addresses)? After all if I can do it one by one
> (it is long but can be done) what can't we do it for a group ? unless
> perhaps it is exactly designed to discourage this type of wild
> mailing...humm, who knows ? ;=)

Exactly. It would take me about an hour to build what you describe... but
I don't think it's a good idea. What's to prevent a candidate for office
from mailing "vote for me!" to every citizen? At least now, in order to
exercise such bad taste, they'll have to put some effort into it.

> Anyway, here comes the funny twist !

Fixed.

> - Or we need to fix that little problem stated above so that absolutely
> nobody can (apart from elected officials) e-mail citizens who expressely
> said they did not want to be contacted.

There's a setting even more restrictive than "private address" -
'private, and disable "mail citizen" button'. You can set this
at http://www.novaroma.org/bin/prefs

Vale, Octavius.

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Stephen Gallagher wrote:
| I do not have in mind candidates for office using this
| but in all fairness I must ask why would it be in bad
| taste to e-mail a citizen and ask for his or her vote?
| we are a democratic Republic are we not?

Salve, Tiberi Galeri Pauline.

I, for one, consider non-personal e-mail sent my way through other
routes than the mailing lists I've opted in on "spam". In Thule, we have
a provincial mailing list, to which most citizens including myself are
subscribed. Those who aren't, won't get reached by provincial posts, a
choice they have made and which is respected.

They will still gett official mail, such as reminders of the taxes,
votes and elections, as well as any major provincial events. These they
"opted in" by joining Nova Roma in the first place, anything beyond
that, such as vote fishing, is and should only be possible if they felt
like it.

E-mail spam, commercials with "regular" mail and telemarketing are
phenomena that shouldn't be allowed. At all.

http://pics.sluggy.com/comics/031014a.gif

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.

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G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Etruscan Tombs":

http://www.cs.utk.edu/~mclennan/BA/PT/BA/EtrTombs.html

The site has 18th-century drawings and modern photographs of seven
Etruscan tombs.

Similarly. another site also entitled "Etruscan Tombs":

http://www.mysteriousetruscans.com/tombs.html

has interesting text and links to detailed photographs of Etruscan
tombs and their contents.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

FROM THE OFFICE OF THE AEDILSHIP







Quirites, it is again a unspeakable pleasure for me on opening another Ludi for Nova Roma



Besides simple and humble, virtual Ludii is the soul of this Institution.



The Ludi Plebeian is also the very heart, the biggest culmination of ideals we were unite here for. Why? Because the plebeain class is really the column and support of the Res Publica nowadays. Just a brief look on Nova Roma today, you will see, quirites,



And this is the last Ludi of the year. We OUGHT to finish it with a golden key.



But on a sad moment, because there is only one Plebeain Aedile and no Flaminem Cerealis. And may this ludi thrown away the bad omens upon us. The Ludi happens, however. Simple and without glamour. Plebeians don´t desire glory. Their work is their glory enough.



So, forgiven me walking like a crazy man, talking alone on the forum, overcharging the scribas, and like the pithonise possessed by Apolo when speaking on the tripod the secret of future.



Ludi Plebeain this year will be attached to the simplest:



I – Munera Gladiatoria

II – Play: Antigone, by Sofocles.

III – Chariot Races


I adress myself to Mother Ceres. The tutelary goddess of the Plebeain Class shall shine upon us. Willing this Bona Dea, we will learn something with all this.


Valete,



L. Arminius Faustus

Senior Plebeian Aedile, Quaestor,

Interpreter (lingua lusitaniae), Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae.

Visit my office at http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/index.html



"I too in words could fight even Immortals..."

Iliad, Homer, book XX

The answer of Hector about Achilles' speeches.



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Salvete Omnes,
I inform you that the next saturday will be an unofficial meeting of
the Provincia Italia in Rome.
The italian nova romans are called to meet at 10.30 AM in front of
the exit of the underground station close the Colosseum.
The partecipants will visit the archeological area of the Palatine
(not the closed Temple of Magna Mater, we didin't received the
authorization :-( ) and the famous exposition "Nike: il gioco e la
vittoria".

I wish a wonderful roman day to my friends and citizens.

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Propraetor Italiae

Salve Agricola,

> Whats up which you? I've been in a long period period of deep meditation and
> woman chasing. I'm so ashamed.

Hmm. Interesting. were you chasing women while meditating? I've tried that without success.

I have a thick book entitled 'Sexual Alchemy' by Tyson which teaches how to find an astal lover.
Unfortunately his writing style is a bit dull. Everytime I tried to read the book I fell asleep and
was out cold (on the bus, the train, sitting in a cafe at lunchtime waiting for a friend).

No spirit lovers ever visited me while sleeping probably because my head was thrown back and my
mouth wind open in a very unsexy like pose. I think I even starting snoring a few times on the train
(book in lap) because when I opened my eyes everyone sitting near me were staring and laughing. It
must have been a funny sight: me in a suit with my nails, hair and make-up done grasping a book
about sex with my mouth wide open and ridiculous sounds coming out of my face).

Anyway I never got past page 25. They should retitle the book 'Cure for Insomnia'. What's your
method ? :-)

vale,
Diana

G. Iulius Scaurus Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex S. P. D.

Valete, Quirites.

On this, the first morning of my flaminate, after my daily ritual
before the lararium, I arrayed my toga, velato capite, cinctu Gabino,
and, facing east, raising my arms with upturned palms, invoked the
Gods to witness this offering, "Iane pater, te hoc ture commovendo
bonas preces precor, uti sies volens propitius Senatui Populoque Novo
Romano [Father Ianus, by offering you this incense I pray good prayers
in order that you may be willing and favorably inclined to the Nova
Roman Senate and People]." I placed frankincense upon the glowing
coals of the turibulum, as the fragrance ascended to Ianus Pater.

Again, invoking, "Iuppiter optime maximeque, te hoc ture commovendo
bonas preces precor, uti sies volens propitius Senatui Populoque Novo
Romano [Iuppiter best and greatest, by offering you this incense I
pray good prayers in order that you may be willing and favorably
inclined to the Nova Roman Senate and People]." Once more I offered
frankincense, to Iuppiter Optimus Maximus.

Once more in invocation, "Mars pater conservatorque, te hoc ture
commovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens propitius Senatui
Populoque Novo Romano [Father and protector Mars, by offering you this
incense I pray good prayers in order that you may be willing and
favorably inclined to the Nova Roman Senate and People]." Once more I
offered frankincense on the turibulum, to Mars Pater.

I offerred cakes to Father Ianus, lord of beginnings: "Iano pater, te
hac strue commovenda bonas preces precor, uti sies volens propitius
Senatui Populoque Novo Romano [Father Ianus, by offering this heap of
cakes I pray good prayers in order that you may be willing and
favourably inclined to the Nova Roman Senate and People]." I placed
strues on the focus.

And the to Iuppiter Optimus Maximus, "Iuppiter optime maximeque, te
hoc ferto commovenda bonas preces precor, uti sies volens propitius
Senatui Populoque Novo Romano [Iuppiter, best and greatest, by
offering this fertum I pray good prayers in order that you may be
willing and favourably inclined to the Nova Roman Senate and People]."
I offered the fertum on the focus.

Then to Father Mars, "Mars pater, te hac strue commovenda bonas preces
precor, uti sies volens propitius Senatui Populoque Novo Romano
[Father Mars, by offering this heap of cakes I pray good prayers in
order that you may be willing and favourably inclined to the Nova
Roman Senate and People]." I offered strues on the focus.

I offered wine to Ianus Pater, "Iane pater, uti te ture strueque
commovenda bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino
inferio esto [Father Ianus, just as by offering incense and strues I
have well prayed good prayers, for the same purpose therefore be
honoured with this humble wine]," pouring a libation.

And likewise to Iuppiter Optimus Maximus, "Iuppiter optime maximeque,
uti te ture fertoque commovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Iuppiter best and greatest,
just as by offering incense and fertum I have well prayed good
prayers, for the same purpose therefore be honoured with this humble
wine]," I pour a libation.

Then to Mars Pater, "Mars pater conservatorque, uti te ture strueque
commovenda bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino
inferio esto [Father and Protector Mars, just as by offering incense
and strues I have well prayed good prayers, for the same purpose
therefore be honoured with this humble wine]," I poured yet another
libation.

"Dignissime pater Quirine, conditor et defensor Romanorum, fili
Martis, elate ad dignitatem immortalium, domine Quiritum, te laudo et
cum gratiis maximis te honoro. Eius rei ergo macte hoc illoce ture
pollucendo esto [Most worthy Father Quirinus, Founder and Defender of
the Romans, son of Mars, raised to the dignity of the Immortals, Lord
of the Quirites, I praise you and with greatest thanks honour you.
Therefore, for this purpose, be honoured by this incense offering]."
I offered frankincense on the turibulum.

"Dignissime pater Quirine, custos vigilans hortorum florentum, qui
amanti obtutu suo agros vinetos nostros amplectur et sollicitudine
militare omnes gentes Romanorum protegit, eius rei ergo macte hoc
illoce vino inferio pollucendo esto [Most worthy Father Quirinus,
vigilant guardian of flowering gardens, who with his loving gaze
embraces our fields and vineyards and protects all the gentes of
Romans with a military sollicitude, therefore, for this purpose, be
honoured by this humble wine offering]. I poured the libation.

"Dignissime Pater Quirine, qui cives in armis et milites in pace
simulat, tibi recte remunerationem utriusque debetur. Eius rei ergo
macte hoc illoce sale frumentoque pollucendo esto [Most worthy Father
Quirinus, who embodies the citizens in arms and the soldiers in peace,
to you justly is owed the recompense of both. Therefore, for this
purpose, be honoured by this offering of salt and grain]." I
sprinkled the salt and grain on the focus.

I spoke then briefly words known only to Pater Quirinus and his flamen.

Then I concluded with the offerings to those whom I had invoked. "Iane
pater, macte ista strue esto, macte vino inferio esto [Father Ianus,
be honoured by this strues, be honoured by humble wine]." I offered
strues and a libation.

"Iuppiter, macte isto ferto esto, macte vino inferio esto [Iuppiter,
be honoured by this fertum, be honoured by humble wine]." I offered a
fertum and a libation.

"Mars pater, macte ista strue esto, macte vino inferio esto [Father
Mars, be honoured by this strues, be honoured by humble wine]." I
offered strues and a libation.

And lastly to the protectress of the hearth, "Vesta, quae omnibus
gentibus focum accendit, macte ista strue esto, macte vino inferio
esto [Vesta, who kindles the hearth for all gentes, be honoured by
this strues, be honoured by humble wine]." I offered strues and a
libation.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex

I, Lucius Sicinius Drusus (John Dobbins)do hereby
solemnly swear to uphold the honor of the Religio
Romana in Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the Roman Gods, the Religio Romana, and
the Senate and People of Nova Roma.

I, Lucius Sicinius Drusus (John Dobbins) as a member
of the Priesthood, swear to uphold and defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and
swear never to act in a way that would threaten its
status as the State Religion. I swear to serve the
Roman Gods to the best of my ability in both public
and prrivate life, and to pursue the Roman virtues as
an integral part of my Priesthood.

I, Lucius Sicinius Drusus (John Dobbins), swear to
protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Lucius Sicinius Drusus (John Dobbins) further swear
to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the
office of Pontiff to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the
presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people
and by their will and favor, do I accept the position
of (priesthood office) and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.


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Salvete omnes

As you all know, three leges have been proposed to the Comitia:

- LEX DIDIA GEMINA DE POTESTATE TRIBVNICIA
- LEX MORAVIA DE NVNTIANDO TRIBVNICIO SENATVSCONSVLTA
- LEX MORAVIA DE SVFFRAGIIS IN COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBVTA ET RATIONE COMITIORUM PLEBIS TRIBUTORUM

Voting shall begin at 18.00 Roman time today the 4th of November.

I call the Curatur Araneum to provide us with a Cista for this procedure and all the plebeians to cast their votes.


vale bene in pace deorum,

L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
TRIBVNVS·PLEBIS

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Tribunus Plebis Diana Moravia Aventina Quiritibus SPD



Salvete citizens of Nova Roma!


Having received news of favorable omens, T Labienus Fortunatus Consul has called the Senate to order.



This session shall last from 7PM Rome time, a.d. IV Non. Nov.
(November 2nd) until 7PM Rome time, a.d. VIII Id. Nov. (November 6th).
Voting shall start immediately thereafter, lasting until 7 PM Rome time,
a.d. VI Id. Nov. (November 8th).


The discussions began at 7PM Roman time on November 2 and will continue until 7PM Roman time on November 6. Voting shall start immediately thereafter, lasting until 7PM Roman time on November 8. Both days of voting are dies comitiales*.




For the information of the citizens of Nova Roma, here is the full agenda of the Senate's meeting:



The Agenda

***I. The senate shall adopt the following set of procedures for senate
meetings, replacing its previous procedures. Note that this proposal is
slightly altered from the one I previously submitted for consideration.

Senatus Consultum de Ratione Senatus


In accordance with paragraph V.D. of the Constitution of Nova Roma, the
Senatus Consultum de Ratione Senatus is hereby enacted to set forth the
rules and procedures for debate and the taking of votes in the Senate.

I. Any member of the Senate may, at his discretion, introduce a topic
for discussion by sharing it with the rest of the Senate. Such
discussion is to be encouraged, but should not be mistaken for the
formal process of calling for a vote on a given issue, which may only be
done after the Senate has been convened for such a purpose, and by
procedures as described below.

II. The Senate may be convened by a consul, praetor, or tribunus plebis.
The magistrate convening the Senate shall hereafter be referred to as
the presiding magistrate.

A. A consul may convene the Senate for any purpose.

B. A praetor may convene the Senate for any purpose when both consuls
are unavailable.

C. A tribunus plebis may convene the Senate in order to ask the
Senate�s advice on any subject which is clearly within the scope of his
constitutionally mandated powers and obligations.

III. Prior to convening the Senate, all of the members of the Senate,
plus the tribuni plebis (if they are not already members of the Senate),
must be informed no less than twenty-four hours prior to the Senate
being formally convened. During that interval, the right of intercessio
or nuntiatio may be exercised by those Constitutionally empowered to do so.

IV. After the interval described in section III above, the presiding
magistrate may convene the Senate and present one or more matters for
their consideration. Should the presiding magistrate wish to do so, he
may yield the floor to a member of the Senate or another magistrate,
allowing that person to present one or more items for the Senate�s
consideration.

V. Once the matters for consideration have been presented, each of the
members of the Senate may, in turn, offer their opinions thereon. The
debate shall be limited to the presiding magistrate, members of the
Senate, and any magistrate which the presiding magistrate has allowed to
present items in accord with section IV above. The tribunes of the
plebs shall keep the citizens informed as to the progress and content of
the debate. There shall be no limit on the length of the opinions
rendered, but the procedure shall differ slightly, depending on the mode
of communication:

A. When debate is being conducted via electronic mail, each Senator
shall have up to ninety-six hours to issue his opinion. Should that time
elapse, the Senator shall be assumed to have abbrogated his right to
speak on the issues at hand (but such silence shall not be considered a
waiver of the right to vote thereon). A Senator who is unable to vote
may, during the debate phase, give his proxy to another member of the
Senate, as long as such is done openly and within the prescribed period
of debate.

B. When debate is being conducted via means that allow real-time
communication (such as Internet chat, teleconferencing, or live
meeting), the following rules shall apply:
a. Each Senator shall be given the opportunity to speak in order of
seniority. Records of Senatorial seniority shall be maintained by the
censors, according to the following formula:
1. Former censors, consuls, and praetors, in that order;
2. Ties in seniority shall be decided in favor of patricians over
plebians;
3. Further ties in seniority shall be decided by age, with
seniority being given to the older individual.
b. For live, face-to-face meetings, Senate meetings shall occur
only between sunrise and sunset. A meeting may adjourn for the night
and reconvene the next morning at the discretion of the presiding
magistrate. Should religious or other considerations make it impossible
to reconvene the following day, the meeting shall end.
c. For live, face-to-face meetings, Senate meetings should occur,
if possible, in a public building which has been consecrated according
to the rites of the Religio Romana.

C. Regardless of which procedure is followed, the presiding
magistrate shall retain the right to amend any proposal prior to the
start of the voting period detailed in section VI below.

VI. Once each Senator has been given the opportunity to state his
position on the issues under discussion, the presiding magistrate shall
call the issue to a vote. Voting shall be done openly before those privy
to the debate, and shall be decided by majority vote unless otherwise
mandated. The method and timing of voting depends on the mode of
communication:

A. When voting is being conducted via electronic mail, each Senator
shall have at least forty-eight hours to cast his vote. Should the
voting period elapse, any Senator that has yet to vote shall be assumed
to have abbrogated his right to vote on the issues at hand.
a. The presiding magistrate may stipulate a voting period of no
less than forty-eight, and no more than ninety-six hours.
b. It is recommended that the voting period begin at sunrise in
Rome on the first day of the voting period and end at sunset in Rome on
the last day of the voting period.

B. When voting is being conducted via means that allow real-time
communication, voting shall be done by a show of hands or some other
equally unambiguous method.

VII. Once voting on the matters at hand is complete, the tribunes of the
plebs shall inform the people of the outcome of the vote and the
presiding magistrate shall officially end the meeting of the Senate.

_________________________________

***II. The senate shall adopt the following policy with respect to
taking the auspices prior to a senate meeting. Note that this proposal
is slightly different from the one I previously presented for consideration.

Senatus Consultum on Auspicious Meetings

I. The Senate shall meet only after favorable auspices have been
obtained for any given meeting.

II. The Board of Directors of Nova Roma, Inc. can be summoned without
taking the auspices (though it is desirable to do so if possible), but
can only consider macronational concerns of the corporation rather than
the concerns of the nation of Nova Roma.

III. If a magistrate who wishes to convene the Senate is unable to
contact a member of the Collegium Augurum over a period of five days, he
should then hold the auspices to the best of his ability.

IV. If a magistrate needs to call an emergency meeting of the Senate, he
should hold the auspices to the best of his ability before calling for
the emergency meeting.

V. In all cases in which a magistrate who is not also a member of the
Collegium Augurum takes the auspices for a meeting of the Senate, an
augur can overrule the auspices taken by that magistrate should he
determine that the magistrate was seriously in error in a matter of
importance. Additionally, a magistrate�s taking of the auspices shall
never be construed as interfering with an augur�s right of intercessio.

VI. The Senate hereby requests the Collegium Augurum to set up and
maintain formal guidelines for a magistrate to conduct the auspices for
a meeting of the Senate.
___________________________________


***III. The senate is asked to choose one of the following options for
the future of the Eagle. Each senator is requested to vote for one and
only one of these proposals, or to vote no to both of them as he or she
sees fit.

A. Further to the senatus consultum of 3rd March regulating the
publication of the Eagle, the Curator is hereby inscructed to produce
the Eagle in a printable electronic format, either in PDF or in HTML, or
both. A paper version may be produced for those subscribers who still
wish to receive it, but no new subscribers shall be permitted to receive
this version. A paper version may also be produced, on the Senate's
request, to be distributed as publicity material.

B. A lex shall be promulgated which makes the Curator Differum a
senate-appointed position. The Curator shall be free to engage in
long-term projects and obligate Nova Roma to deliver the Eagle via
subscriptions that extend beyond the current year. Additionally, the
Curator shall be at liberty to determine the form of the Eagle, subject
to oversight from the senate and consuls. A Curator shall, upon
appointment, propose a budget for the Eagle to the senate, which the
consuls shall present for a senate vote at their earliest convenience.
The consuls shall have the power to amend this budget prior to
presenting it to the senate if they see fit, and the senate shall retain
the right to alter the Eagle�s budget at any time.

Valete,

Diana Moravia Aventina

Tribunus Plebis



**A dies comitalis is a day on which citizens may vote on political or

criminal matters.



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> diana removes her Tribune hat for a moment and replaces it with her Materfamilias hat>

On behalf of all of Gens Moravia, congratulations to our sister Arnamentia Moravia on her appoitnmet
as Sacerdos Diana! Congratulations also to Scaurus and Drusus as well.

I know that all 3 of the above mentioned citizens will do a fine job in the Priesthood!

Valete,
Diana Moravia

As a member of the Comitia Curiata, I witness the following
appointments:

Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex: Gaius Iulius Scaurus
Pontifex: Senator Lucius Sicinius Drusus
Sacerdos Diana: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia

Congratulations & Best Wishes to each!
Vale bene,
Helena Galeria Aureliana

Lucius Equitius!
I recently wrote you an E-mail about one of your gens memebers, Lucius
Equitius, vergil@....
If you would be so kind to reply me, or contact me.
Caius Tarquitius Saturninus

> Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur Quiritibus S.P.D.:
>
> As a member of the Comitia Curiata, I witness the following priest
> appointments:
>
> Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex, Gaius Iulius Scaurus
>
> Pontifex, Senator Lucius Sicinius Drusus
>
> Sacerdos Diana, Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia
>
> QVOD BONVM FAVSTVM FELIX FORTVNATVMQVE SIT POPVLO ROMANO QUIRITIBVS
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Salvete Illustri Citizens!

I hereby Congratulate the following

Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex: Illustrus Gaius Iulius Scaurus
Pontifex: Illustrus Senator Illustrus Lucius Sicinius Drusus
Sacerdos Diana: Illustrus Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia

to their recent appointment to priesthood!
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Salve Octavi Germanice,

Many thanks for your clarifications. As I said previously I understand the
wishes of people who want to restrict their e-mail traffic on the basis of
privacy : Your efforts and those of your colleagues to protect them havenÂ’t
gone unnnoticed.

I am also glad that the little glitch I mentioned has been fixed and that we
wonÂ’t be able to know private e-mails any more through the NR confirmation
system.

Nevertheless I am still disappointed that willing citizens choose to cut
themselves from the mainstream of information by fear or dislike of spam :
Although their choice is to be respected I canÂ’t help be think about the
things we could do to encourage more participation. In that respect I must
commend T. Galerius PaulinusÂ’ efforts to come up with alternatives to the
present system.
I believe the discussion is still open; Perhaps we could move on to find a
compromise ? Perhaps we could officialise a formal way of communication when
a private citizen wants to reach a certain group (ie go through the
Propraetor) ?

I am looking forward to reading even more ideas and constructive comments.

Optime valete

Corn. Moravius Laureatus
Corn. Moravius Laureatus Armoricus
"To a man with a hammer, every issue looks like a nail"

If it is at all possible, could the Curator Aranaeum please consider
organizing the leges being voted upon in the Comitia Plebis Tributa
into paragraphs and outline form, where appropriate?

Currently, each lex appears as a HUGE paragraph that I am sure is
exhausting for people to read the entirety of. As these are
proposals which might become laws of Nova Roma, I think citizens
should have the leges presented to them in a format which they will
be more likely to read all the way through.

As a rogator, I would like to cut down on the number of abstentions
which might be cast by people possibly unwilling to vote on a lex
that they are too tired to read to conclusion.

White space really does help.

Sincerely,

Renata Corva
Sr. Rogatrix

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Salve, Renata Corva.

They're in exactly the same format as when originally announced, plain
text copied straight from the e-mail. Any editing in any way of the
proposed text(s) would be interfering with the legislation process,
hence I just put up the proposed laws for the vote.

Of course, if the people would want me to, it'd be my pleasure to make
sure all proposals are properly edited...it's about time we voted on me
as dictator for life, neh?

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.

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Titus Octavius--*giggles* I'm a terrible one for wanting to
proofread and correct things in leges, myself. It's always for
little things, like, "Can we change 'votes be counted' to 'votes will
be counted?'" or "We need to change it's to its..."

Dictator for life..Hee-hee...You run for it this year, and I'll run
for it next year. How about that? :) And yes, I know that made no
sense, at all...

Renata

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Kristoffer From <from@d...> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> aerdensrw wrote:
> | If it is at all possible, could the Curator Aranaeum please
consider
> | organizing the leges being voted upon in the Comitia Plebis
Tributa
> | into paragraphs and outline form, where appropriate?
>
> Salve, Renata Corva.
>
> They're in exactly the same format as when originally announced,
plain
> text copied straight from the e-mail. Any editing in any way of the
> proposed text(s) would be interfering with the legislation process,
> hence I just put up the proposed laws for the vote.
>
> Of course, if the people would want me to, it'd be my pleasure to
make
> sure all proposals are properly edited...it's about time we voted
on me
> as dictator for life, neh?
>
> Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.

A. Apollonius Cordus to Pontiff & Senator L. Sicinius
Drusus, Pontiff & Flamen C. Iulius Scaurus, Sacerdos
Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia, and all citizens and
peregrines, greetings.

I hope you are all well, and I heartily congratulate
you on your respective elevations, all of which are,
I'm sure, well deserved.

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A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
greetings.

First may I thank our hard-working Tribune Moravia
Aventina for posting this agenda.

Secondly, I wonder what others think about the
propriety of item III.B:

> B. A lex shall be promulgated which makes the
> Curator Differum a
> senate-appointed position.

(followed by more details)

My concern is this: since this senatus consultum, if
passed, would be binding upon the consuls, and since,
contrary to historical practice, our consuls are not
legally permitted to override senatus consulta by
edict, does this not effectively force the consuls to
promulgate such a law, whether they like it or not?
And if so, would this not in effect be a usurpation by
the senate of the power to promulgate legislation - a
power which historically and constitutionally is held
only by consuls, praetors, tribunes and dictators?

Please note I'm not trying to imply anything sinister,
nor to advocate a solution, just to explore a legal
issue.

If this is too dry and theoretical for the main list,
I should be content to discuss it on the laws list
instead, but I thought I'd air it here first.

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Salvete Omnes!

This is just a short note to say congratulations to
our new priests! I'm happy to see four positions be
rounded out; an excellent day for the Religio!

Valete!

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Salve Cordus

Is this your only objection to these two proposals about the Eagle?


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum

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A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
greetings.

First may I thank our hard-working Tribune Moravia
Aventina for posting this agenda.

Secondly, I wonder what others think about the
propriety of item III.B:

> B. A lex shall be promulgated which makes the
> Curator Differum a
> senate-appointed position.

(followed by more details)

My concern is this: since this senatus consultum, if
passed, would be binding upon the consuls, and since,
contrary to historical practice, our consuls are not
legally permitted to override senatus consulta by
edict, does this not effectively force the consuls to
promulgate such a law, whether they like it or not?
And if so, would this not in effect be a usurpation by
the senate of the power to promulgate legislation - a
power which historically and constitutionally is held
only by consuls, praetors, tribunes and dictators?

Please note I'm not trying to imply anything sinister,
nor to advocate a solution, just to explore a legal
issue.

If this is too dry and theoretical for the main list,
I should be content to discuss it on the laws list
instead, but I thought I'd air it here first.

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Salve Aule Apolloni

> And if so, would this not in effect be a usurpation by
> the senate of the power to promulgate legislation - a
> power which historically and constitutionally is held
> only by consuls, praetors, tribunes and dictators?

Actually, this is a case of a consul (me) asking for the advice of the senate.
My collega and I are of differing minds concerning the future of the Eagle, and
we are asking the senate which course it thinks is best.

> Please note I'm not trying to imply anything sinister,
> nor to advocate a solution, just to explore a legal
> issue.

Considering that it is a consul asking for advice rather than a junior
magistrate attempting to force the consules into something, that the senate's
procedures don't allow a junior magistrate to present anything to the senate
without the consules' approval, and that the practice of asking the senate's
approval for pending legislation was common during much of the Republic's
history, I don't see that this is much of an issue.

Vale
T Labienus Fortunatus

A. Apollonius Cordus to Curator Ti. Galerius Paulinus
and all citizens and peregrines, greetings.

I hope you're well; I'm fine.

> Is this your only objection to these two proposals
> about the Eagle?

I don't have any objection to the actual contents of
either proposal about the Eagle, and I have no
objection at all to option A. All I'm concerned about
is that option B, owing to a technicality, might
create an unfortunate precedent.

I'm not urging senators to vote one way or another; I
just want to hear what people think about the legal
implications.

I don't think there would necessarily be a problem if
option B were passed, so long as it were understood
that it did not create a precedent for the senate to
promulgate laws.

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A. Apollonius Cordus to Consul T. Labienus Fortunatus
and all citizens and peregrines, greetings.

I hope you're well; I'm well.

> Considering that it is a consul asking for advice
> rather than a junior
> magistrate attempting to force the consules into
> something, that the senate's
> procedures don't allow a junior magistrate to
> present anything to the senate
> without the consules' approval, and that the
> practice of asking the senate's
> approval for pending legislation was common during
> much of the Republic's
> history, I don't see that this is much of an issue.

I wouldn't be bothered by it if not for the fact that,
unlike the historical republic, our constitution makes
senatus consulta legally binding. In this particular
case, I agree that there's no problem so long as, if
option B is passed, the law it described is
promulgated before the end of the year.

I'm concerned about two possible scenarios:

1. A senatus consultum requiring a law to be
promulgated is passed near the end of the year, and
the consuls are unable to call the comitia again
before the year ends. Thus the senatus consultum,
which remains valid into the new year, forces the new
consuls to promulgate a law with which they may not
agree.

2. The senate passes a senatus consultum which is of
this kind but which has been placed on the agenda by
someone other than a consul. I don't know whether
current senatorial procedures allow any item to be
placed on the agenda by anyone other than a consul,
but such procedures could conceivably change in the
future, and then this precedent would be cast in a new
light.

I admit both are unlikely, and I'm not suggesting that
item III.B. ought to be voted down on account of them
- merely that it ought not to be considered a
precedent, and that in future it might be best, for
safety, to write 'the consuls are advised to
promulgate a law' rather than 'a law shall be
promulgated'. In fact historically senatus consulta
were, I think, always phrased as recommendations.

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--- "A. Apollonius Cordus"
<a_apollonius_cordus@...> wrote:

> I don't have any objection to the actual contents of
> either proposal about the Eagle, and I have no
> objection at all to option A. All I'm concerned
> about
> is that option B, owing to a technicality, might
> create an unfortunate precedent.
>

Salve Apollonius,

A Precedent was set three years ago.

http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2000-09-09-iv.html




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L. Sicinius Drusus

Roman Citizen

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