Q. Fabius Maximus wrote:

> Censor Octavius,
> So if L. Sicinius Drusus does not like what he sees happening in Rome, he may
> make no complaint? He cannot criticize?

Whoever said that? Certainly not I. I was merely pointing that
L. Sicinius is a hypocrite for condemning the supporters of Caeso
when they attack him, when his own words are no better.

Vale, Octavius.

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Salvete Caeso et Omnes,

> I can't say for sure how many of the
> Censorial scribae will need to have access to the database as I have
> never been a Censor, but when I consider the tasks my estimation is
> that two would be sufficient.

For the benefit of all who are truly concerned about privacy,
here is a description of the tools that exist right now:

- the Magistrate Editor - indicate that a citizen is serving, or
has served, in a magisterial office (including apparitores).
Exposes no personal information at all to the scriba using it.

- the Priest Editor - similar to the magistrate editor.
Exposes no personal information at all to the scriba using it.

- the payment tool - used by quaestores to mark someone as Assidui;
exposes no personal information at all.

- the census tool - all Propraetores have access. Shows realname,
street address, email (only for citizens in the same province).

- the Gens editor - used for changing gens attributes; no personal
info.

- the Citizen editor - for everything else. Shows everything known
about the citizen.

Censores' Scribae access can be limited to all of these tools
independently - they have separate password files.

Thus, if my future colleague wishes to appoint a scribe with the
sole responsibility of maintaining records of what magistracies a
citizen holds, he will be given access to that tool - and
nothing else - and will never see a citizen's real name or addresses.

Vale, Octavius.

--
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http://www.graveyards.com/

Marcus Octavius Germanicus wrote:

> L. Sicinius Drusus wrote:
>
> > > Is there a written tradition in the mos maiorum or the virtues that
> > > forbids this?
> >
> > Yes it's called respecting the postion of the Pater, and this tradition
> > holds when the Filis is Sui Iuris.
>
> The position of a _paterfamilias_. The Pater of a Familias. There is
> no such tradition regarding the head of a gens (for there was no such
> thing as the head of a gens in antiquity). You are attempting to
> take advantage of an error in terminology to try to accuse Caeso
> of violating a tradition that does not exist.
>
> > There are Religous implications to having Women as heads of a Gens that
> > are being ignored in the name of political correctness.
>
> Interesting. Do you intend to bar women from holding that position?

My My you do seem to think I have a lot of power.

I Mentioned Religious Implications, the matter of female heads of a Gens
or Family was accomplished without bothering with the fact that the
head of the family is also the priest of the family Religion. The
Religious implications of that weren't considered. It isn't up to you
are me if the Immortals are willing to accept women in that role, that
is up to them.

If it is indeed found that the Immortals find the situation
unacceptable, then will you seek to impose your will over theirs?

L. Sicinius Drusus



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L. Sicinius Drusus wrote:

> > Interesting. Do you intend to bar women from holding that position?
>
> I Mentioned Religious Implications, the matter of female heads of a Gens
> or Family was accomplished without bothering with the fact that the
> head of the family is also the priest of the family Religion. The
> Religious implications of that weren't considered.

Are you certain they "weren't considered"? Perhaps M. Cassius and
the early Pontifices did indeed consider these implications, but
ultimately decided that other factors were more important.

What about Christians or Jews as the heads of gentes/familia?
Surely they don't all perform the duties of a family priest.

> If it is indeed found that the Immortals find the situation
> unacceptable, then will you seek to impose your will over theirs?

They'd have to present some extremely clear evidence that that
was indeed their will before I'd accept it.

Vale, Octavius.

--
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http://www.graveyards.com/

Salvete omnes

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:

> Salve Romans
>
> Now this is getting really childish! Now we are going to test Q.

Fabius Maximus knowledge of Italian?

SCEPTIVS: Certainly this is a way to know if he is indeed saying a
true or not. Remember a Censorial office is not only a magistracy,
but the Moral Keeper and therefore a lie on his lips would be a
serious problem. I'm not calling him a liar, just say what it seems
to me if not backed on his statements (If I say "I'm the greatest
ethruscan researcher and I know ALL about them", how many would ask
me to back such statements? -I whish I were :-))

Every time a person who runs for an office should back her/his
statements with some evidence. We have seen many times it, a
statement not supported by any kind of proof.

As an example of what I'm saying; Fabius Maximus states that he is
a "Historian" and so, but I_have_never_seen such thing supported
more than, for exapmple, the excelent links Iulius Scaurus provides
us with. He is a Historian indeed, he teaches, and he knows quite
well not only the sources but how to use them.

I'm not playing a childish game by asking on what are based his
statements, nor Consular Candidate Salix Astur, who, in a gentle
manner, uses a language Censorial Candidate Fabius Maximus states to
know.

> I do not know what the rest of the post says but enough is

enough. If You don't like Q. Fabius Maximus then PLEASE don't vote
for him. The original question, if anybody remembers by now was a
magistrates ability with the business language of Nova Roma , which
is English.

SCEPTIVS: Well, I'd suggest you to read the thread even if it is a
little boring. Fabius Maximus was asked THREE times before he
answered (In such an empty way, I think) and therefore is not a game
of "who forgets before" but "please answer some questions". Those
questions has to be with his statements, with the Censorial office
and therefore with the Res Publica.

> Ok we get it some people like Q. Fabius Maximus some do not, these

childish games is what brought down the Ancient Republic.

>
> Tomorrow in the As the Tiber Flows we read:
>
> "If my side doesn't win am taking my half of the Senate home and I

am not playing Republic any more"

>
> "My Pater can beat up your Pater"
>
> "Ok its settled . My legion will meet you legion at dawn on the

field of Mars and last man standing wins.

>
> OK? OK.

SCEPTIVS: It wasn't any other but Fabius Maximus who started "I have
a better conection" "I speak a lot of languages" "I'm..." so is him
who it would be to be adressed. However, it is a simple thing. If
asked, answer.

>
> We have a lot more important things to do they give an Italian

language test to one of the two Citizens who holds a PhD. ( if
there are more I am unaware of it.)

SCEPTIVS: Not really. If a candidate is saying something that could
not be true, it is a real problem.

I know some would consider this as (What it was, something about
dogs? :-)) a "factionist supporter who dislike a certain
individual". Not at all, is a private citizen who support those who
ask and deserves an answer (As myself) and encourage to back the
statements provides for those who run for a certain office,
specifically one so delicate as Censorial one.

vale bene,

L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS

Citizens of Nova Roma;

I am very pleased to come before you in the white toga of a Candidate
for the Magistry of Curator Differum.

I am humbled (truly) by the comments which have preceded this
announcement, and I am honored greatly by the kind things that have been
said about me. My purpose in coming before you was to provide the
Citizens of Nova Roma with some information about me and my background,
but it appears that this effort has already been accomplished for me,
and I thank the author of those words.

When the idea of the "Eagle" was first brought forward in Nova Roma I
was pleased to have a very small part of the newsletter, and entered a
few items to help it along. I knew the Editor having met her in her
hometown in Massachusetts. It was this Editor, who did an outstanding
job and I learned a great deal rom her. I have edited two other
newsletters in my experience (one for about 5 years) but there is still
much to learn about the task. I have spent a good part of the day
talking via the internet with some of those great people who have
offered to assist me in this task, and putting things into place to
insure that there will be a continuing newsletter for the citizens of
Nova Roma each month.

My decision to enter the lists this year was basicly brought about by a
good friend of mine who asked me to consider it. Several other friends
in whom I have a great deal of faith further encouraged me to take this
action, so I am back again to ask for your consideration in placing me
into this position.

My first "tour of duty" with the "Eagle" was as a replacement for an
Editor who had resigned her position. I was pleased, with the stalwart
support of the Hnorable Pontifex Maximus, to get out an issue every
month for the five months of the replacement term. At that time my good
friend in Belgium, I believe, was responsible for the mailing of
European issues, and it fell to me to maill those in the Western
Hemisphere. This was strictly a type and paste activity as I did not
at that time have a computer which could do anything save type and
print. Since then I have managed to accumulate a few more items that
will be of great assistance. Perhaps this year with some additional
support I shall be able to make it through the full year (Grin!!!!!!!!).

My special thanks to those who have welcomed me most fulsomely, and my
thanks to all of you for your kind attention to this announcement..

I most respectfully ask for your consideration in this Candidature. I
am well aware that it is the power of the Citizens of Nova Roma and
thier voting privaledge which is responsible for the Magistrates of
tomorrow. I have always admired and respected that power and I do so
again as I present myself for your consideration.

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


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A. Apollonius Cordus to Senator L. Sicinius Drusus and
all citizens and peregrines, greetings.

Thank you for these answers.

I asked whether, if you find the conduct of the consul
or members of his staff reprehensible, you would be
prosecuting them. You wrote, among other things:

> Do I find the actions of his staff reprehensible? In

the Case of

> Scaevola yes I do. In the case of the attacks

launched against me today

> by Galerius Auerlius, yes I do.

Do you believe that the actions you mention were taken
in the name of or under the auspices of the Consul?

I ask because you later wrote:

> Do I think his staff is being used for political

purposes? How could I

> think otherwise when I see them serving as the

political pointmen for a

> Consul who rarely communicates with the citizens.

There is no law

> against it, but it isn't a style of leadership I'm

fond of.

This is a rather serious insinuation; it's true that
there's no law against it, but the lex Salica
Iudiciaria provides for a Praetor to create
jurisprudence to cover an action which is not against
any written laws. The absence of a law against
something is not a sufficient reason to refrain from
prosecution.

> > The second:
> >
> > If you will, then would it not be more appropriate

to

> > save your comments for the courtroom?
>
> Have you heard ofthe court of public opinion?

I'm surprised to hear you say that: it sounds a lot
like an admission that you're more interested in
winner over popular opinion than you are in actually
solving what you see as a problem. Surely not?

> > The third:
> >
> > If you will not, does it show
> > a) that their conduct has not really been as bad

as

> > you've been making out, or
> > b) that you are, to use that slightly surreal

image,

> > 'all mouth and no trousers'?
>
> c.) Y'all haven't met my criteria for filing legal

action, but my

> criteria are so steep that a death threat didn't cut

it.

'Y'all'? How many of me do you think there are here?

There's an important difference between the
death-threat example you give and the case in hand. A
threat against yourself is against yourself alone, and
the decision to prosecute or not is no one's business
but yours. In this case, however, you seem to be
alleging actions contrary to the public interest and
potentially damaging to the republic. In such a case I
would think that if you believe the allegations you
have a duty to prosecute for the good of all. Or would
you say that in fact the things you've been
complaining are not really damaging to the republic or
the general good?

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A. Apollonius Cordus to Tribune Diana Moravia Aventina
and all citizens and peregrines, greetings.

I wrote:

> > So if these are the 22 people you mean then I

suggest

> > you withdraw your comment lest you make 17 sudden
> > enemies!

And you wrote:

> I hope that you are teasing!! Actually I think you

are. If not then: Ouch! 17 'enemies' because Ser.

> Equitius Mercurius made one statement? Hmm, that's

kind of announcing in a big way that the Cohors

> sticks together against anyone who disagrees with

one of them because I sincerely doubt that 17

> people would all unilaterally decide that Ser.

Equitius' words were 'enemy' making material!

You're right, I was being light-hearted. Having
corresponded a little with the gentleman in question I
was confident that my comment would be taken in good
humour, but perhaps I should have made it more
apparent to onlookers.

> Ouch again! I'm now thinking the very unpleasant

thought that I have 22 'enemies' in Nova Roma.

I would certainly discourage you from thinking of me
as an enemy.

But of course there's a difference between what you
were doing, which was criticising the size of the
cohort, and what Equitius Mercurius mistakenly did,
which was to say that all 22 of its members had been
engaging in ad hominem attacks. One is a reasonable
criticism, while the other is a false accusation. I
doubt anyone makes enemies by making reasonable
criticisms, but it's quite possible for someone to
make enemies by making false accusations (even if, as
in this case, the accusation was unintentional). See
what I mean?

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A. Apollonius Cordus to Tribune Diana Moravia Aventina
and all citizens and peregrines, greetings again.

Many thanks for clarifying this. I hope you won't find
it too tiresome to clarify just a little more?

Firstly, when you say:

> Below is the email that I sent to the Senate

regarding Item IV.

Taken literally, this conflicts with Senator Sicinius
Drusus' statement that he forwarded your message to
the Senate himself, because for you to send it
directly would have been in breach of Senate
procedure. Could you just confirm whether the
Senator's statement is correct?

Secondly, it sounds from your comments as though the
message you pasted here was not in itself a veto, but
was a declaration of intent to veto if the item
passed. Is my interpretation correct?

Just wanting to get everything straight in my mind.
Thanks again.

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I actually think this is a very serious matter that goes to
character. And frankly why be so difficult over something so simple?
do I want the next censor to be this kind of a person or someone who
will come out publicly and answer easy questions.
I do not know enough to like or dislike Q. Fabius Maximus, but his
actions make me doubt his words, as it is nothing to state your
degree, qualifications, abilities.
As Scepticus says, we all know Scaurus and his abilities; I have
corresponded with the esteemed flamen.
I am doubtful of Maximus as he castigated Fr. Aupulus for his poor
English but never wrote back to him in his native Italian & nothing
could be easier. Believe me if you've ever struggled with Japanese as
Maximus says he has, Italian is a snap.
So this is why I am making judgements on such matters. It is a test
of truthfulness, of probity.
Valete Pomponia Fabia Vera Attica

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Didius Geminus Sceptius"
<sceptia@y...> wrote:

> Salvete omnes
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher"

<spqr753@m...>

> wrote:
> > Salve Romans
> >
> > Now this is getting really childish! Now we are going to test Q.
> Fabius Maximus knowledge of Italian?
>
> SCEPTIVS: Certainly this is a way to know if he is indeed saying a
> true or not. Remember a Censorial office is not only a magistracy,
> but the Moral Keeper and therefore a lie on his lips would be a
> serious problem.
>
> vale bene,
>
> L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS

L. Didius Geminus Sceptius wrote:

>
>
> SCEPTIVS: Well, I'd suggest you to read the thread even if it is a
> little boring. Fabius Maximus was asked THREE times before he
> answered (In such an empty way, I think) and therefore is not a game
> of "who forgets before" but "please answer some questions". Those
> questions has to be with his statements, with the Censorial office
> and therefore with the Res Publica.

Fabius Maximus is on location in Tuscany shooting a Movie, and he has
managed to find time to post to this list from Italy, When CFQ was in
Italy this summer he was out of touch for two weeks. You got a reply in
a couple of days, rather than a couple of weeks.

>
> SCEPTIVS: It wasn't any other but Fabius Maximus who started "I have
> a better conection" "I speak a lot of languages" "I'm..." so is him
> who it would be to be adressed. However, it is a simple thing. If
> asked, answer.

The posts that Fabius Maximus made today were from Italy, as were the
posts he made the other day. I would say he has proved that he has a
better internet connection.

Are we going to play a double standard here? Where are the demands that
CFQ prove he will limit the number of people he is going to appoint?
That he really teaches? that he prove he will "find ways to keep names
of new citizens as historical"?

I'm willing to accept CFQ's statement that he will limit the number of
appointments he will make, why are you willing to accept one candidates
word without demanding proof, but not the others?

L. Sicinius Drusus

A. Apollonius Cordus wrote:

> A. Apollonius Cordus to Tribune Diana Moravia Aventina
> and all citizens and peregrines, greetings again.
>
> Many thanks for clarifying this. I hope you won't find
> it too tiresome to clarify just a little more?
>
> Firstly, when you say:
>
> > Below is the email that I sent to the Senate
> regarding Item IV.
>
> Taken literally, this conflicts with Senator Sicinius
> Drusus' statement that he forwarded your message to
> the Senate himself, because for you to send it
> directly would have been in breach of Senate
> procedure. Could you just confirm whether the
> Senator's statement is correct?

Both statements are true. There was an objection that it was out of
order so I presented it on behalf of the Tribune, and that is as far as
I intend to discuss the matter.

Drusus

>
>
> Secondly, it sounds from your comments as though the
> message you pasted here was not in itself a veto, but
> was a declaration of intent to veto if the item
> passed. Is my interpretation correct?
>
> Just wanting to get everything straight in my mind.
> Thanks again.
>
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A. Apollonius Cordus wrote:

> A. Apollonius Cordus to Senator L. Sicinius Drusus and
> all citizens and peregrines, greetings.
>
> Thank you for these answers.
>
> I asked whether, if you find the conduct of the consul
> or members of his staff reprehensible, you would be
> prosecuting them. You wrote, among other things:
>
> > Do I find the actions of his staff reprehensible? In
> the Case of
> > Scaevola yes I do. In the case of the attacks
> launched against me today
> > by Galerius Auerlius, yes I do.
>
> Do you believe that the actions you mention were taken
> in the name of or under the auspices of the Consul?

I Have no knowledge that the inner workings of the Cohors, but Marinus
has said they don't speak for the Consul, and I will accept his word,
though I am disappointed that the Consul hasn't sought to personally
disapprove of these tactics on this list. The actions of his staff do
reflect on him, and this is a matter that he should have addressed long ago.

>
>
> I ask because you later wrote:
>
> > Do I think his staff is being used for political
> purposes? How could I
> > think otherwise when I see them serving as the
> political pointmen for a
> > Consul who rarely communicates with the citizens.
> There is no law
> > against it, but it isn't a style of leadership I'm
> fond of.
>
> This is a rather serious insinuation; it's true that
> there's no law against it, but the lex Salica
> Iudiciaria provides for a Praetor to create
> jurisprudence to cover an action which is not against
> any written laws. The absence of a law against
> something is not a sufficient reason to refrain from
> prosecution.

That is a matter that others may peruse, but one that I have no
intention of taking up. Is there really that much fear that someone will
be bringing charges against the Consul or his staff?

>
>
> > > The second:
> > >
> > > If you will, then would it not be more appropriate
> to
> > > save your comments for the courtroom?
> >
> > Have you heard of the court of public opinion?
>
> I'm surprised to hear you say that: it sounds a lot
> like an admission that you're more interested in
> winner over popular opinion than you are in actually
> solving what you see as a problem. Surely not?

Addressing the problem on this list as long ago as this summer had no
effect on the actions of the Cohors, I see nothing wrong with bringing
it up at election time. Are you suggesting that the voters shouldn't
consider the actions a candidate's appointees has taken when they
consider voting for him

>
>
> > > The third:
> > >
> > > If you will not, does it show
> > > a) that their conduct has not really been as bad
> as
> > > you've been making out, or
> > > b) that you are, to use that slightly surreal
> image,
> > > 'all mouth and no trousers'?
> >
> > c.) Y'all haven't met my criteria for filing legal
> action, but my
> > criteria are so steep that a death threat didn't cut
> it.
>
> 'Y'all'? How many of me do you think there are here?
>
> There's an important difference between the
> death-threat example you give and the case in hand. A
> threat against yourself is against yourself alone,and
> the decision to prosecute or not is no one's business
> but yours.

Not Really, I was a pro magistrate at the time and the Censors choose to
view it as a threat against a magistrate of Nova Roma rather than as a
threat against a privitus.

> In this case, however, you seem to be
> alleging actions contrary to the public interest and
> potentially damaging to the republic.

My View is starting to prosecute magistrates for anything but the most
serious crimes will do far more damage to Nova Roma than any small
things like using a staff for political purposes. It would be viewed a a
political trial and tear Nova Roma apart. Caesar had to retain a
magistrate's position to avoid politically motivated charges and that
crap destroyed the Republic of Antiquita. I have no intention of
perusing an action that would do far more damage to Nova Roma than any
possible good that might be accomplished. I Would strongly advise others
to follow that bit of advice.

> In such a case I
> would think that if you believe the allegations you
> have a duty to prosecute for the good of all. Or would
> you say that in fact the things you've been
> complaining are not really damaging to the republic or
> the general good?

The good of Nova Roma is best served by making damn sure that your
actions won't cause more harm than good. Trials of magistrates for
anything less than major crimes is something that will cause major
damage to Nova Roma.

L. Sicinius Drusus

L Equitius Cincinnatus Quiritibus SPD

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:56:31 +0000 (GMT)
From: "A. Apollonius Cordus" <a_apollonius_cordus@...>
Subject: Re: Requesting an Answer: Third Call

A. Apollonius Cordus to Praetor Cn. Salix Astur and
all citizens and peregrines, greetings.

I'm afraid I must advise you not to expect answers to
these questions.

Over the last year or so I've carried on a lively and
entertaining private correspondence with Senator
Fabius Maximus, but I have noticed that whenever I ask
him an uncomfortable question, or say something
challenging to him, he tends to break off abruptly,
without explanation, and not renew contact for months.

In my experience the best way to ensure that you
receive a reply from this gentleman is to avoid asking
him difficult questions. ;)


L Equitius: I am going to assert the very same thing about his Gens filius
Quintilianus, who often disappears from "uncomfortable questions", along
with just plain disappearing.

At least Quintius Fabius Maximus has been visible in the forum and answering
specific questions from his detractors.

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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:58:13 -0500
From: "L. Sicinius Drusus" <drusus@...>
Subject: Endorsement for Censor

Salvete Quirites,

Of the two candidates for Censor there is no doubt which one is the most
experienced, Quintus Fabius Maximus has held every office in Nova Roma
save Censor, a record that his Gensmate can't begin to match...

There is also the matter of challenging not just a Gensmate, but
entering a contest against your own Paterfamilias. Caseo Fabius has
shown an utter disregard for Roman traditions by doing this, and hasn't
bothered informing Nova Roma's citizens why he is flouting our traditions.

L Equitius: Yes, he hasn't given a reason to enter the race after his
Paterfamilias had announced.
I'd be REALLY interested in the reasoning behind this confrontation.

Quintus Fabius Maximus is by far the most qualified candidate for
Censor, I recommend that you elect him.

L. Sicinius Drusus


L Equitius: I haven't seen anything that would have me disagree.
In fact, from my experiences Quintus Fabius Maximus will do a fine job as
Censor.
I cannot say the same for the other candidate.
I think that most, if not all, of the former Censores will say the same.

________________________________________________________________________

Message: 11
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:28:14 -0500
From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@...
Subject: Re: Security of the Census database

F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to A. Apollonius Cordus. Salve.

Don't expect an answer back on this question. I asked the very same
question in an earlier post and he skirted the issue by not answering it &
accusing me (and others) of political intimidation. Vale.

L Equitius: Really, what I've seen is Quintus Fabius responding to multiple
questions from many different supporters of Quintilianus.
Oh, and if he doesn't answer right back, no matter what time day or night,
then he's not answering.
Despite the denials, everyone can see the adversarial tone of the
"questions" asked of Quintus Fabius. No answer he gives is going to be
satisfactory to them.


________________________________________________________________________

Message: 13
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:34:47 -0500
From: "L. Sicinius Drusus" <drusus@...>
Subject: Re: Security of the Census database



A. Apollonius Cordus wrote:

> A. Apollonius Cordus to Senator L. Sicinius Drusus and
> all citizens and peregrines, greetings.
>
> Here's another little question while I wait for your
> answers to the first three:
>
> If you are worried that Fabius Quintilianus would
> appoint an excessively large staff if elected Censor,
> why don't you *ask him* how many assistants he would appoint?

The Consul isn't exactly known for communicating with people outside his
inner circle. He has communicated through his staff all year, and his
staff members have made it plain that his "right" to appoint as many
people as he feels like is more important than citizens right to
privacy. As far as I'm concerned he has made his views known through his
usual means of communication.

If his views differ from those of his staff he is welcome to state them
in this forum.

L. Sicinius Drusus


L Equitius: Maybe he doesn't have anything original to post.
Shoot, he's got half a dozen press secretaries/supporters posting on his
behalf, responding to everything put forward. Why would he risk stating a
position himself?

________________________________________________________________________

Message: 14
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:35:53 -0000
From: "Gnaeus Salix Astur" <salixastur@...>
Subject: Re: Requesting an Answer: Third Call

Salvete Quirites; et salve, A. Apolloni.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"
<a_apollonius_cordus@y...> wrote:

> A. Apollonius Cordus to Praetor Cn. Salix Astur and
> all citizens and peregrines, greetings.
>
> I'm afraid I must advise you not to expect answers to
> these questions.
>

<SNIP>

>
> In my experience the best way to ensure that you
> receive a reply from this gentleman is to avoid asking
> him difficult questions. ;)

But the censor of Nova Roma must be prepared to answer difficult
questions. Questions about morality are never easy, and morality is
part of the duties of our censores.

Besides that, I think that a censor must show "a willingness to
communicate with Nova Roma's citizens", as Senator L. Sicinius Drusus
has stated in his latest message of support to Senator Q. Fabius
Maximus' candidacy:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/17528
Not answering that legitimate question of mine does not seem to me
like "a willingness to communicate with Nova Roma's citizens".

S.V.B.E.E.V.
CN.SALIX.T.F.A.NEP.OVF.ASTVR

L Equitius: What was the question, and what questions have you put to
Quintilianus?
OR are you really only interested in putting Quintius Fabius up for review?

________________________________________________________________________


Message: 24
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:36:57 -0500
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
Subject: Historical precedents

L. Sicinius Drusus wrote:

[a lot, of which I'm only addressing a little]

> There is also the matter of challenging not just a Gensmate, but
> entering a contest against your own Paterfamilias. Caseo Fabius has
> shown an utter disregard for Roman traditions by doing this, and hasn't
> bothered informing Nova Roma's citizens why he is flouting our traditions.

While QFM is indeed paterfamilias of gens Fabia here
in Nova Roma, and thus holds paterfamilial potestas
over CFQ, that's not in keeping with the laws and
practices of Antiquity, at least so far as I understand
them. My reading of history tells me that once a Roman
was elected to his first magistracy -- usually as Quaestor --
he became 'sui generis' and was no longer subject to the
will of his paterfamilias.


L Equitius: Please be so kind as to provide sources for this assertion? I've
not seen anything that supports it.


--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Candidate for Consul
http://www.villaivlilla.com/equitius-for-consul/index.html



________________________________________________________________________
________________________________________________________________________

Message: 25
Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:38:18 -0500
From: "L. Sicinius Drusus" <drusus@...>
Subject: QUESTION FOR CFQ

Hello!!!
CFQ !!!!!!!!

You do read this list don't you?
You haven't bothered saying one word about the size of your staff
despite it being a subject on this list for days.

I'm asking you publicly and openly,

How many people will you appoint to your staff if you are elected Censor
and How many of them will have access to the database?

Drusus

Patrick D. Owen wrote:

> In short, Apollonius Cordus, this translates as 'no' the Illustrious
> Senator did not ask the Illustrious Senior Consul; he merely
> presumed.

L Equitius: What is Illustrious? and why is it capitalized in front of
Senator or Consul?
Nova Roma doesn't have any such position, or are they cohors agents?

Valete

A. Apollonius Cordus to Senator & Consular Q. Fabius
Maximus and all citizens and peregrines, greetings.

> Hooo Boy, now that was baiting if I ever heard of

it.

Not quite, I'm afraid. It was a little dig to provoke
you to answer the Praetor's question. It doesn't seem
to have worked, but never mind.

> Pray tell what
> question did I bother not
> to answer during our "entertaining private

correspondence?" The last thing

> we were discussing was the Brothers Gracchi and

their communistic views. I

> sent you my an answer, and you never responded, so I

assumed we agreed to

> disagree.

Goodness me, Senator, this is utter tosh. Let me refer
to my records and remind you.

Our first correspondence (apart from the one in which
you tried to stop me voicing my opinions on the main
list and to recruit me as a client - the less said
about that the better) began on the 30th of January
and continued until the 11th of February. It included
discussion of the Gracchi. Mine was the last message
in that correspondence, and in it I asked you what
improvements you thought should be made to the
constitution.

I wrote to you on the 21st of February to see why
you'd dropped your end of the correspondence. You did
not respond.

On the 31st of March I dropped you a short note to ask
you about your statement that I'd just read in the
archives that you were a script-writer. We traded a
couple of e-mails, and then you broke off again for no
discernible reason - unless you were for some reason
trying to avoid answering my questions about what
procedures you intended to use for your mock-trial
(how is that going, by the way?).

On the 12th of April I wrote you another brief note to
thank you for your help on some historical points of
the Consul's electoral legislation. After a couple of
exchanges that thread petered out of its own accord;
my message was the last one in the conversation.

On the 22nd you wrote to me to ask whether a mutual
acquaintance needed help with paying taxes. We talked
a little about historical films, then once again you
stopped responding.

On the 8th of July you contacted me to suggest that I
was too ardent in my advocacy of the Consul's
electoral reforms. We again exchanged a few messages.
After a message I suggested to you that the 'Senate
Seal' was unhistorical, you once again didn't trouble
to reply. That was our last private correspondence.

> I always answer my private
> mail. Even the personal attacks. Which I have been

getting a lot of, recently.

> I always find those most entertaining.
> The only reason I am answering in the Forum was

Apollonius' public

> insinuation.

You do not always answer your private mails; as you
can see from my summary above (and I can produce
copies of all those messages), out of our six private
conversations five have been ended by you failing to
reply.

As for public attacks, I have made no public attack on
you. I have made no insinuation. My comments to
Praetor Salix Astur were intended not to blacken your
name but to provoke you to prove me wrong by answering
his question.

And as for your implication that this discussion is
inappropriate for the main list, may I point out *yet
again* that the office of Censor, as you well know,
carries enormous moral requirements and
responsibilities, and therefore any information or
discussion which bears on the moral fibre of a
candidate - including whether he is reliable and
polite enough to reply to private e-mail - is in the
public interest.

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A. Apollonius Cordus to Senator & Consular Q. Fabius
Maximus and all citizens and peregrines, greetings.

A brief post-script:

> But I ask. What does this have to do with my

qualifications for censor?

> Why am I being forced to jump through hoops, here?

Has it slipped your mind that candidates for office in
Rome willingly submitted themselves to the indignity
of standing in the Forum, shouting above the noise of
the crowd, baring their wounds?

Being asked to jump through the hoop of saying which
languages you speak is extremely mild in comparison,
especially considering that you're the one who raised
the issue of language ability in the first place.

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My very dear friend,

Salve,

I have to consider your message well, and I think of feeling able to deal with the Eagle! I really ask you to help yourselves because I am afraid to make faults. Thus by this message, dear Tiberius, you can be reassured all Gens Minia undertakes me assisted to take again the Eagle! I thus propose my candidature as Curator Differum to you.

I your answer waits.

vale,

C.MINIUS MESSALA.BELLATOR

I just wanted to be sure to publicly thank Servius Equitius Mercurius
Troianus, Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, Cornelius
Moravius Laureatus Armoricus, Gaia Flavia Aureliana and Caius Curius
Saturninus for their kind endorsements, and also to say thank you to
everyone who has sent private messages of support to me. And, as I have
said before, I am most grateful to the Senate as a whole for granting me
this opportunity.

Again, most sincerely - thank you all :)

Gaia Fabia Livia
(candidate for Quaestor)

A. Apollonius Cordus wrote:

> A. Apollonius Cordus to Senator & Consular Q. Fabius
> Maximus and all citizens and peregrines, greetings.
>
> A brief post-script:
>
> > But I ask. What does this have to do with my
> qualifications for censor?
> > Why am I being forced to jump through hoops, here?
>
> Has it slipped your mind that candidates for office in
> Rome willingly submitted themselves to the indignity
> of standing in the Forum, shouting above the noise of
> the crowd, baring their wounds?
>
> Being asked to jump through the hoop of saying which
> languages you speak is extremely mild in comparison,
> especially considering that you're the one who raised
> the issue of language ability in the first place.

So Where are the questions aimed at CFQ? Why aren't you asking him how
many languges he speaks, and demanding he prove it?

L. Sicinius Drusus



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T Labienus Fortunatus Consul Quiritibus SPD

When presenting the preliminary list of candidates on pr. Kal Dec, I
mentioned that I am fallible. Now, I get to prove it to everyone.

I overlooked the fact that Lex Salicia requires me to extend the period
in which candidates may declare themselves if one or more positions
remain without a candidate. As nobody had declared for curator
differum, and there are only three candidates for four rogator
positions, I must continue to accept candidates for those positions (and
only those positions).

Therefore, I will continue to accept rogator and curator differum
candidates until the 8th of this month. I will convene the comitia on
that day, Gods willing.

The current list of candidates is as follows. Multas gratias to those
of you who reminded me of M Bianchius' candidacy. I hadn't forgotten
him, but I did manage to omit his name when typing the list.

Censor: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quintus Fabius Maximus

Consul: Diana Moravia Aventina
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Gnaeus Salix Astur

Praetor: Decimus Iunius Silanus
Gnaeus Octavius Noricus
Marcus Arminius Maior

Aedilis Curulis: Gaius Iulius Scaurus
Marcus Iulius Perusianus

Quaestor: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia
Caius Curius Saturninus
Caius Iulius Marius
Gaia Fabia Livia
Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
Livia Cornelia Hibernia
Marcus Bianchius Antonius
Servius Labienus Cicero

Curator Araneum: Marcus Octavius Germanicus

Curator Differum: Marcus Minucius Audens

Rogator: Aulus Apollonius Cordus
Flavius Galerius Aurelianus Secundus
Gaius Minucius Hadrianus

Valete

Salvete omnes.
On Thursday Dec. 4th and until late Friday, I'll be away from any Internet connection. From now on I'll be away one day or more per week, so maybe I'll delay some days in answering any email sent to me.
Bene valete
L. Pompeius Octavianus
Senator Tribunus Plebis Propraetorque


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete,

The following Decretum regarding Auguries to be taken before Senate and
Comitiae meetings was approved by the Collegium Pontificum on 11/21/2003. It has
been announced in the Senate, and now needs to be posted in the appropriate
section of the Nova Roma website.

The intent of this decretum is to both ensure that ancient traditions
regarding important decision making are restored, and it is appropriate that the Gods
be given a voice in such processes once again.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus

**************************************************
Decretum Collegii Pontificum et Augurum De Iure Auspicandi et Tripudio

I. De Iure Auspicandi

A. Curule magistrates who are practitioners of the Religio Romana
shall have the ius auspicandi.

1. A curule magistrate who is a practitioner of the Religio Romana,
but not an augur, pontifex, flamen, sacerdos, or pullarius, shall
submit a written report of any auspication he has taken and his
interpretation thereof to the Collegium Augurum for verification that
vitium has not occurred in the auspication.

2. In the event of vitium, the Collegium Augurum, providing such
advice as shall be necessary to correct the defect, shall require the
curule magistrate to repeat the auspication correctly.

B. Curule magistrates who are not practitioners of the Religio Romana
shall not have the ius auspicandi.

1. A curule magistrate who is not a practitioner of the Religio
Romana shall consult an augur or pullarius who shall take the
auspication and provide an interpretation thereof to the curule
magistrate.

2. In the event that the curule magistrate shall dispute
interpretation of the auspication, the curule magistrate may appeal to
the Collegium Augurum for ultimate interpretation of the auspication.

II. De Modo Tripudii

A. Whenever possible, tripudium shall be the preferred means of
auspication for meetings of the comitia or the senate.

1. The principal bird for use in tripudium shall be the chicken.

2. The Collegium Augurum may determine that other birds of good omen
may be used for tripudium.

B. The Collegium Augurum establishes the rules by which a correct
tripudium is performed.

III. De Sodalitate Pullariorum

A. The person charged with responsibility for maintaining and feeding
the sacred birds for tripudium shall be a pullarius.

B. It shall be the responsibility of the Collegium Augurum to appoint
and train pullarii.

C. Pullarii appointed by the Collegium Augurum shall constitute the
Sodalitas Pulliariorum and its members shall have the rank and century
points of a sacerdos.

IV. De Impietate et Auspicando

A. It shall constitute an offence of impietas prudens dolo malo for a
curule magistrate to knowingly convene a meeting of the Comitia
Centuriata, Comitia Populi Tributa, or the Senate without performance
of a valid auspication.

B. A person who has been convicted of this offence of impietas
prudens dolo malo shall suffer the penalty of exactio for life.

C. Trial for the offence of impetas dolo malo shall be conducted in
accordance with the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria, or those Leges which
replace Lex Salicia Iudiciaria. No prosecution shall be accepted for
offences under this decretum which occurred prior to this decretum's
promulgation.

V. De Auspicando et Comitiis Plebis Tributis

A. In accordance with the mos maiorum auspices shall not be taken to
convene the Comitia Plebis Tributa.


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I am looking for a place in Maine or New York or Rhode Island to take
a family pagan vacation. We have no idea where to start, any ideas?
I am very interested in the ancient roman and greek paganism. I
would love to see a temple. Anyway, thanks for your help.
Guinevere Rose

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@y...> wrote:

> Tch, gaijin, is rude, someone's seen Shogun too many times;)
> but you are perfectly correct; I said "you understand japanese,

do

> you speak a little?"
> Colombia Daigaku de nihongo o benkyoo shimashita.

Let's see, if I remember correctly you said that you studied Japanese
at Columbia University. Correct?

> Vale
> Pomponia Fabia Vera Attica

Salvete

To some extent, we have regional groups. The provinciae are already in
place, mapped out over much of the world. Any citizen in an established
provincia can contact his/her propraetor to propose a local or regional
event.

There is also nothing stopping citizens right now from contacting each other
and organizing local gatherings. Many have done so in the past. Noone
would need any official sanction from the Senate or any magistrate unless
they wanted official recognition for their grouping or event.

Valete

C Marius Merullus

----- Original Message -----
From: "Servius Equitius Mercurius Troianus" <hermeticagnosis@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>; <harrituspotterus1@...>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Local Groups


> Salvete
>
> Now THIS is a most excellent issue! Other Candidates, what do you
think? There are lots of us, scattered though we be, who would jump at the
chance! I have a low mileage car with a full tank of gas, my insurance is
paid & DMV stuff all in order - but nothing scheduled in the region.
Bummer. How come? I've heard enough others voice similar sentiments, so
how about it?
> Candidates?
>
> Valete
> Servius Equitius
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@...>
> Sent: Nov 30, 2003 11:57 AM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Local Groups
>
> <html><body>
>
>
> <tt>
> Cn. Salix Astur Quiritibus S.P.D.<BR>
> <BR>
> Salvete, Romani cives.<BR>
> <BR>
> I have already spoken about recruitment, so I would now like, with <BR>
> your permission, to talk about another important aspect of the future <BR>
> of Nova Roma: local groups.<BR>
> <BR>
> Nova Roma has been, so far, a mainly "virtual" affair. We have talked <BR>
> to each other on mailing lists, we have debated over many different <BR>
> subjects and topics, we have made new friends and built bonds over <BR>
> oceans and continents, and we have tried to bring back a little bit <BR>
> of Rome through all this.<BR>
> <BR>
> But I am sure that many of you will think that all that, although <BR>
> good, is not enough. Wouldn't it be great if we could actually bring <BR>
> a little bit of Rome to our everyday lifes?<BR>
> Think about eating some Roman food, for instance, or learning to play <BR>
> to a Roman board game. Or perhaps you'd like to dress like a true <BR>
> Roman, while enjoying a good, real life Latin conversation.<BR>
> <BR>
> Can we have all this? Sure. The answer is local groups.<BR>
> <BR>
> We now have a few laws regarding the creation of local groups. If I <BR>
> am elected, I would like to actively encourage our citizenry to <BR>
> create those local groups. Once more, I will need your help and <BR>
> enthusiasm in this task; think about it well, and you'll come to the<BR>
> conclusion that creating a local group is going to be fun :-).<BR>
> <BR>
> Besides the fun, there is another aspect of local groups that perhaps <BR>
> has not been sufficiently stressed. I am talking about their <BR>
> potential religious aspect. The Religio Romana is, to a certain <BR>
> extent, a social religion, and it needs a social framework to bloom.<BR>
> Nova Roma was actually created to act as that framework. I think that <BR>
> local groups will be able to provide the infrastructure needed to <BR>
> begin celebrating the Sacra Publica, so that the Religio comes out of <BR>
> our atria and our lararia to live and breath under the Sun. <BR>
> In order to attain this important objective, I will keep in contact <BR>
> with our highest religious institution (the Collegium Pontificium) to <BR>
> discuss the best way to provide a religious meaning to those local <BR>
> groups.<BR>
> <BR>
> So this is what I would want our local groups to be: a physical <BR>
> community where we can live the different aspects of a Roman life. <BR>
> Would you like to join me in trying to build those communities?<BR>
> <BR>
> Cn. Salix Astur<BR>
> Candidatus Consularis<BR>
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>Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 04:56:30 -0800 (PST)
> From: jim mcfadden <qclerk@...>
>Subject: Re: Saturninus for Quaestor!!!
>
>I agree !! Vote for Caius ........
>and may the great work continue!!

Salve,

Thank you, I hope that I can serve the respublica well if I'm elected.

Vale,
--

Caius Curius Saturninus

Accensus Superior Primus (Ductor Cohortis) Cohors Consulis CFQ
Legatus Regionis Finnicae
Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
Praeses et Triumvir Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.insulaumbra.com/regiofinnica
www.insulaumbra.com/academiathules
gsm: +358-50-3315279
fax: +358-9-8754751

Salve Merulle!

You're alive!! I've been to call you but haven't got around to it.
Sorry. How are things? Ready for the big drive to Maryland this year
to Roman Days? :-)


Vale,

Palladius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C Marius Merullus"
<c_marius_m@n...> wrote:

> Salvete
>
> To some extent, we have regional groups. The provinciae are

already in

> place, mapped out over much of the world. Any citizen in an

established

> provincia can contact his/her propraetor to propose a local or

regional

> event.
>
> There is also nothing stopping citizens right now from contacting

each other

> and organizing local gatherings. Many have done so in the past.

Noone

> would need any official sanction from the Senate or any magistrate

unless

> they wanted official recognition for their grouping or event.
>
> Valete
>
> C Marius Merullus
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Servius Equitius Mercurius Troianus" <hermeticagnosis@e...>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>; <harrituspotterus1@y...>
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 2:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Local Groups
>
>
> > Salvete
> >
> > Now THIS is a most excellent issue! Other Candidates, what do

you

> think? There are lots of us, scattered though we be, who would

jump at the

> chance! I have a low mileage car with a full tank of gas, my

insurance is

> paid & DMV stuff all in order - but nothing scheduled in the region.
> Bummer. How come? I've heard enough others voice similar

sentiments, so

> how about it?
> > Candidates?
> >
> > Valete
> > Servius Equitius
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@y...>
> > Sent: Nov 30, 2003 11:57 AM
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Local Groups
> >
> > <html><body>
> >
> >
> > <tt>
> > Cn. Salix Astur Quiritibus S.P.D.<BR>
> > <BR>
> > Salvete, Romani cives.<BR>
> > <BR>
> > I have already spoken about recruitment, so I would now like,

with <BR>

> > your permission, to talk about another important aspect of the

future <BR>

> > of Nova Roma: local groups.<BR>
> > <BR>
> > Nova Roma has been, so far, a mainly "virtual" affair. We have

talked <BR>

> > to each other on mailing lists, we have debated over many

different <BR>

> > subjects and topics, we have made new friends and built bonds

over <BR>

> > oceans and continents, and we have tried to bring back a little

bit <BR>

> > of Rome through all this.<BR>
> > <BR>
> > But I am sure that many of you will think that all that, although

<BR>

> > good, is not enough. Wouldn't it be great if we could actually

bring <BR>

> > a little bit of Rome to our everyday lifes?<BR>
> > Think about eating some Roman food, for instance, or learning to

play <BR>

> > to a Roman board game. Or perhaps you'd like to dress like a true

<BR>

> > Roman, while enjoying a good, real life Latin conversation.<BR>
> > <BR>
> > Can we have all this? Sure. The answer is local groups.<BR>
> > <BR>
> > We now have a few laws regarding the creation of local groups. If

I <BR>

> > am elected, I would like to actively encourage our citizenry to

<BR>

> > create those local groups. Once more, I will need your help and

<BR>

> > enthusiasm in this task; think about it well, and you'll come to

the<BR>

> > conclusion that creating a local group is going to be fun :-).<BR>
> > <BR>
> > Besides the fun, there is another aspect of local groups that

perhaps <BR>

> > has not been sufficiently stressed. I am talking about their <BR>
> > potential religious aspect. The Religio Romana is, to a certain

<BR>

> > extent, a social religion, and it needs a social framework to

bloom.<BR>

> > Nova Roma was actually created to act as that framework. I think

that <BR>

> > local groups will be able to provide the infrastructure needed to

<BR>

> > begin celebrating the Sacra Publica, so that the Religio comes

out of <BR>

> > our atria and our lararia to live and breath under the Sun. <BR>
> > In order to attain this important objective, I will keep in

contact <BR>

> > with our highest religious institution (the Collegium

Pontificium) to <BR>

> > discuss the best way to provide a religious meaning to those

local <BR>

> > groups.<BR>
> > <BR>
> > So this is what I would want our local groups to be: a physical

<BR>

> > community where we can live the different aspects of a Roman

life. <BR>

> > Would you like to join me in trying to build those communities?

<BR>

> > <BR>
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deciusiunius wrote:

>
> Salve Merulle!
>
> You're alive!! I've been to call you but haven't got around to it.
> Sorry. How are things? Ready for the big drive to Maryland this year
> to Roman Days? :-)

Oh, I hope so! It would be great if you can both come again.

--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Candidate for Consul
http://www.villaivlilla.com/equitius-for-consul/index.html

> Salvete Quirites;
> as the elections come up my post is directed especially for new
>cives. As a new and utterly unimportant new citizen I had the
>pleasure of taking "Introduction to Nova Roma" with Gnaeus Salix
>Astur and Caius Curius Saturninus as my praeceptores.
> What a wonderful experience! they filled all of us with real love
>for Nova Roma and wonderful suggestions of how to organize and meet
>in real time. I made a lot of friends in that course and learned
>about the wonderful courses at Academia Thules because of these two
>devoted Nova Romans.
> So I urge all new cives who don't have a clue to vote for Gnaeus
>Salix Astur and Caius Curius Saturninus, they have your interests at
>heart and only make Nova Roma more wonderful.
> optime valete Pomponia Fabia Vera Attica

Salve Pomponia,

Thank you for your (too) kind words! It is wonderful to see that our
work has helped you to get into NR.

Vale,
--

Caius Curius Saturninus

Accensus Superior Primus (Ductor Cohortis) Cohors Consulis CFQ
Legatus Regionis Finnicae
Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
Praeses et Triumvir Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.insulaumbra.com/regiofinnica
www.insulaumbra.com/academiathules
gsm: +358-50-3315279
fax: +358-9-8754751

Salvete Omnes, in Nomine Romae Novae atque Anticae;

O Musae Sanctae, regite verbi mei in gratia et honore.

I've been following this thread and its cousins because I am
especially intrigued by it. I lurk a lot, and no one really ever
hears from me, but I will always speak up when the spirit moves me.
And the spirits are a-movin' and a-shakin' today. And I bring to you
all hope for the average Nova Roman!

I would like everyone reading this post to remember the Fate-blessed
day when they chose to become a citizen of this great and vast
community. Why did you want to join? What moved you that day, what
god or goddess of Old Rome took you by the hand and led you hither?
What was the spirit that moved you?

I remember my day very clearly because it was only just over a year
ago. I had just started treading the path of a Classical Languages
major in a bustling American megalopolis. I had met the acting
members of the department (I say "acting" because we never have the
same faculty two semestres in a row: the effects of budget cutbacks
in 'superfluous departments'), and I was greatly disappointed. I
smelled nothing but sterilised academia, saw nothing but blank, tired
eyes, and heard nothing but dispassionate explanations. No love, no
enthusiasm, no joy, no pleasure. I had already spent four years
wallowing in laetitia linguae latinae, and I wanted someone with whom
I could share my passion. I did not find it on my campus.

So I turned to the internet to find other people interested in -- and
passionate about -- Ancient Roman everythings: language, culture, et
cetera. I found Nova Roma and I knew this was the tie I needed. Where
the university let me down, I could have a community to turn to. My
spirit would be appeased by the taste of daily Roman life, albeit via
email. So after doing my research -- about the group, the procedures,
the laws, and the gentes -- I found a gens and was joyfully welcomed
by the paterfamilias. I have since met a few of my fellow Nova
Britannia citizens, and enjoyed their company greatly. In this I must
thank Gaius Minucius Hadrianus, Quintus Cassius Calvus, Gaius Lanius
Falco, Annia Minucia Sempronia, Patricia Cassia and Marcus Cassius
Julianus, and my good paterfamilias Marcus Minucius Audens for their
welcomes, comradeship, and conversation.

When I joined, the election furor was just getting off the ground. I
spoke with my paterfamilias about the apparent strife within the
community, and he reassured me that "this too shall pass", and that
before too long I would find that things were settling down. They
did. Every now and then something flares up, but it is almost always
simmered down or resolved before a civil war threatens. These were
the ways of our beloved Mater Roma, mei amici. In our own lives we
are seeing her stir back into a glorious life.

I'm still a classical languages major, with a definite bias for Latin
over Greek. Right now, writing this, I am putting off work on
Catullus (and Catullus can often be off-putting at times). This
semestre I am also taking Greek and Roman Mythology, a "joyride".
Easy like no-bake pie, and enjoyable. And it counts toward my major.

We finished Greek myth today and started Roman myth, such as it is,
which is mostly Livy's history of Early Rome. I could see the city
rising before me in my mind: the marble government buildings, the
rich men's villae, and the wooden homes of the average citizens, with
their businesses and busy streets. The beautiful green Campus
Martius, with the soldiers drilling on it; the Forum nestled into the
city center, the temples glittering in the light of a fading golden
sunset -- it was like looking in on a dream engineered by the best
movie special effects artists. I could feel the long-darkened eyes of
Livy looking at me, judging me and my love for his country. I could
feel once again the reassuring presence of Caesar, the sense I have
when I work with his De Bello Gallico that he is testing me, and
approving. I saw Lucretia's tragic beauty and the majesty of
Hannibal's last elephant plowing calmly into Northern Italy, amazing
the Roman soldiers with its girth and power. I felt their awe
blossoming in my own soul, but it was awe for Rome that I felt.

We talked of duty to one's family, gods, and country, though not
always in that order; the subordination of the "I" to the "we", the
intrinsic Roman sense of civic duty and the willing to give personal
sacrifice for the greater good of the community. I thought of the six
little Roman soldier statues lined up, by rank, on my bookcase, and
what their human counterparts would have been like, two thousand
years ago and more, as the influence of Rome grew. I fell in love,
again, with the land I knew and the people I could only know in
dreams, through the grace of the gods and goddesses of Ancient Rome.

I found the purpose I once had but thought I had lost, this time
knowing it by name when I felt it blanket me with hopeful warmth: to
work toward no end but the love of Rome, and through this love into a
vast and treasured body of knowledge, and back through this knowledge
into a full and rich life. This purpose has been subordinated too
long to the rites of a modern university: with my time in college
almost half gone, I need to start looking again at what matters.

There is a force within me I can't quite control; it loves and is
loved in return, it knows but does not say, it points the way but
will not guide.

I spend sixteen hours a week doing nothing but studying things that
add to my knowledge of the Italian peninsula's treasures -- artistic,
religious, cultural, historical, and linguistical. It doesn't end at
the classroom door either -- it goes on between classes and at home,
and away from home. It is a long and complex row to hoe, but I know
that it will take me where I will be happiest going.

(Even if only my heart can afford to make the journey.)

This is a love that will enrich my life, this love I bear for Rome
and her children. It will stay in me, and become a part of me
inextricable from my body. They, the ghosts of the past, whom I
treasure and revere, will crown me with grace and beauty, calm and
strength for my pains. I will be their daughter in spirit if not
blood, although more and more I wonder if the two are more closely
tied than science thinks. There will be a shroud of golden mystery in
my soul, and it will sparkle, reaching out to others with its light.
And my light will be the light of Rome, and of the world -- and of
the past, and the dead, and the irreplaceable.

I invite my fellow citizens to join me tonight in remembering what
first called us to the banner of Nova Roma: whether it is the
language, the military, the political or religious history, or the
awe which it inspiries today in the hearts and minds of many. I also
ask that we each call out to the spirits of our Roman ancestors to
guide us through a thorny present. Looking within ourselves and out
to the glories of the past and future, I am sure we can each find a
little equilibrium in an insane world -- micro- and macro-
nationally. Elections are a hairy time! Gods bear with us all in such
an uproar.

In my heart and my blood, I am a daughter of Rome. Are you, also, her
true sons and daughters?

Gratias vobis ago per omnia,
Horatia Minucia Caesar
Scriba Propraetoris

Salve Cordus my friend

I must agree: Were this a proper debate with both Candidates onstage being posed these questions, why is it that the only answers are coming from Q.Fabius' side of the stage? The other side of the stage is awfully quiet.

Vale
Servius Equitius

-----Original Message-----
From: Lucius Equitius <vergil96@...>
Sent: Dec 2, 2003 9:43 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
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L Equitius Cincinnatus Quiritibus SPD<BR>
<BR>
________________________________________________________________________<BR>
<BR>
Message: 3<BR>
   Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 17:56:31 +0000 (GMT)<BR>
   From: "A. Apollonius Cordus" <a_apollonius_cordus@...><BR>
Subject: Re: Requesting an Answer: Third Call<BR>
<BR>
A. Apollonius Cordus to Praetor Cn. Salix Astur and<BR>
all citizens and peregrines, greetings.<BR>
<BR>
I'm afraid I must advise you not to expect answers to<BR>
these questions.<BR>
<BR>
Over the last year or so I've carried on a lively and<BR>
entertaining private correspondence with Senator<BR>
Fabius Maximus, but I have noticed that whenever I ask<BR>
him an uncomfortable question, or say something<BR>
challenging to him, he tends to break off abruptly,<BR>
without explanation, and not renew contact for months.<BR>
<BR>
In my experience the best way to ensure that you<BR>
receive a reply from this gentleman is to avoid asking<BR>
him difficult questions.  ;)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
L Equitius: I am going to assert the very same thing about his Gens filius<BR>
Quintilianus, who often disappears from "uncomfortable questions", along<BR>
with just plain disappearing.<BR>
<BR>
At least Quintius Fabius Maximus has been visible in the forum and answering<BR>
specific questions from his detractors.<BR>
<BR>
________________________________________________________________________<BR>
<BR>
Message: 5<BR>
   Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:58:13 -0500<BR>
   From: "L. Sicinius Drusus" <drusus@...><BR>
Subject: Endorsement for Censor<BR>
<BR>
Salvete Quirites,<BR>
<BR>
Of the two candidates for Censor there is no doubt which one is the most<BR>
experienced, Quintus Fabius Maximus has held every office in Nova Roma<BR>
save Censor, a record that his Gensmate can't begin to match...<BR>
<BR>
There is also the matter of challenging not just a Gensmate, but<BR>
entering a contest against your own Paterfamilias. Caseo Fabius has<BR>
shown an utter disregard for Roman traditions by doing this, and hasn't<BR>
bothered informing Nova Roma's citizens why he is flouting our traditions.<BR>
<BR>
L Equitius: Yes, he hasn't given a reason to enter the race after his<BR>
Paterfamilias had announced.<BR>
I'd be REALLY interested in the reasoning behind this confrontation.<BR>
<BR>
Quintus Fabius Maximus is by far the most qualified candidate for<BR>
Censor, I recommend that you elect him.<BR>
<BR>
L. Sicinius Drusus<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
L Equitius: I haven't seen anything that would have me disagree.<BR>
In fact, from my experiences Quintus Fabius Maximus will do a fine job as<BR>
Censor.<BR>
I cannot say the same for the other candidate.<BR>
I think that most, if not all, of the former Censores will say the same.<BR>
<BR>
________________________________________________________________________<BR>
<BR>
Message: 11<BR>
   Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:28:14 -0500<BR>
   From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@...<BR>
Subject: Re: Security of the Census database<BR>
<BR>
F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to A. Apollonius Cordus.  Salve.<BR>
<BR>
Don't expect an answer back on this question.  I asked the very same<BR>
question in an earlier post and he skirted the issue by not answering it &<BR>
accusing me (and others) of political intimidation.  Vale.<BR>
<BR>
L Equitius: Really, what I've seen is Quintus Fabius responding to multiple<BR>
questions from many different supporters of Quintilianus.<BR>
Oh, and if he doesn't answer right back, no matter what time day or night,<BR>
then he's not answering.<BR>
Despite the denials, everyone can see the adversarial tone of the<BR>
"questions" asked of Quintus Fabius. No answer he gives is going to be<BR>
satisfactory to them.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
________________________________________________________________________<BR>
<BR>
Message: 13<BR>
   Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:34:47 -0500<BR>
   From: "L. Sicinius Drusus" <drusus@...><BR>
Subject: Re: Security of the Census database<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
A. Apollonius Cordus wrote:<BR>
<BR>

> A. Apollonius Cordus to Senator L. Sicinius Drusus and<BR>
> all citizens and peregrines, greetings.<BR>
><BR>
> Here's another little question while I wait for your<BR>
> answers to the first three:<BR>
><BR>
> If you are worried that Fabius Quintilianus would<BR>
> appoint an excessively large staff if elected Censor,<BR>
> why don't you *ask him* how many assistants he would appoint?<BR>

<BR>
The Consul isn't exactly known for communicating with people outside his<BR>
inner circle. He has communicated through his staff all year, and his<BR>
staff members have made it plain that his "right" to appoint as many<BR>
people as he feels like is more important than citizens right to<BR>
privacy. As far as I'm concerned he has made his views known through his<BR>
usual means of communication.<BR>
<BR>
If his views differ from those of his staff he is welcome to state them<BR>
in this forum.<BR>
<BR>
L. Sicinius Drusus<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
L Equitius: Maybe he doesn't have anything original to post.<BR>
Shoot, he's got half a dozen press secretaries/supporters posting on his<BR>
behalf, responding to everything put forward. Why would he risk stating a<BR>
position himself?<BR>
<BR>
________________________________________________________________________<BR>
<BR>
Message: 14<BR>
   Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:35:53 -0000<BR>
   From: "Gnaeus Salix Astur" <salixastur@...><BR>
Subject: Re: Requesting an Answer: Third Call<BR>
<BR>
Salvete Quirites; et salve, A. Apolloni.<BR>
<BR>
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"<BR>
<a_apollonius_cordus@y...> wrote:<BR>

> A. Apollonius Cordus to Praetor Cn. Salix Astur and<BR>
> all citizens and peregrines, greetings.<BR>
><BR>
> I'm afraid I must advise you not to expect answers to<BR>
> these questions.<BR>
><BR>

<SNIP><BR>

><BR>
> In my experience the best way to ensure that you<BR>
> receive a reply from this gentleman is to avoid asking<BR>
> him difficult questions.  ;)<BR>

<BR>
But the censor of Nova Roma must be prepared to answer difficult<BR>
questions. Questions about morality are never easy, and morality is<BR>
part of the duties of our censores.<BR>
<BR>
Besides that, I think that a censor must show "a willingness to<BR>
communicate with Nova Roma's citizens", as Senator L. Sicinius Drusus<BR>
has stated in his latest message of support to Senator Q. Fabius<BR>
Maximus' candidacy:<BR>
<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/17528">http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/17528</a><BR>
Not answering that legitimate question of mine does not seem to me<BR>
like "a willingness to communicate with Nova Roma's citizens".<BR>
<BR>
S.V.B.E.E.V.<BR>
CN.SALIX.T.F.A.NEP.OVF.ASTVR<BR>
<BR>
L Equitius: What was the question, and what questions have you put to<BR>
Quintilianus?<BR>
OR are you really only interested in putting Quintius Fabius up for review?<BR>
<BR>
________________________________________________________________________<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Message: 24<BR>
   Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:36:57 -0500<BR>
   From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...><BR>
Subject: Historical precedents<BR>
<BR>
L. Sicinius Drusus wrote:<BR>
<BR>
[a lot, of which I'm only addressing a little]<BR>
<BR>

> There is also the matter of challenging not just a Gensmate, but<BR>
> entering a contest against your own Paterfamilias. Caseo Fabius has<BR>
> shown an utter disregard for Roman traditions by doing this, and hasn't<BR>
> bothered informing Nova Roma's citizens why he is flouting our traditions.<BR>

<BR>
While QFM is indeed paterfamilias of gens Fabia here<BR>
in Nova Roma, and thus holds paterfamilial potestas<BR>
over CFQ, that's not in keeping with the laws and<BR>
practices of Antiquity, at least so far as I understand<BR>
them.  My reading of history tells me that once a Roman<BR>
was elected to his first magistracy -- usually as Quaestor --<BR>
he became 'sui generis' and was no longer subject to the<BR>
will of his paterfamilias.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
L Equitius: Please be so kind as to provide sources for this assertion? I've<BR>
not seen anything that supports it.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
--<BR>
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus<BR>
Candidate for Consul<BR>
<a href="http://www.villaivlilla.com/equitius-for-consul/index.html">http://www.villaivlilla.com/equitius-for-consul/index.html</a><BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
________________________________________________________________________<BR>
________________________________________________________________________<BR>
<BR>
Message: 25<BR>
   Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 14:38:18 -0500<BR>
   From: "L. Sicinius Drusus" <drusus@...><BR>
Subject: QUESTION FOR CFQ<BR>
<BR>
Hello!!!<BR>
CFQ !!!!!!!!<BR>
<BR>
You do read this list don't you?<BR>
You haven't bothered saying one word about the size of your staff<BR>
despite it being a subject on this list for days.<BR>
<BR>
I'm asking you publicly and openly,<BR>
<BR>
How many people will you appoint to your staff if you are elected Censor<BR>
and How many of them will have access to the database?<BR>
<BR>
Drusus<BR>
<BR>
Patrick D. Owen wrote:<BR>
<BR>

> In short, Apollonius Cordus, this translates as 'no' the Illustrious<BR>
> Senator did not ask the Illustrious Senior Consul; he merely<BR>
> presumed.<BR>

<BR>
L Equitius: What is Illustrious? and why is it capitalized in front of<BR>
Senator or Consul?<BR>
Nova Roma doesn't have any such position, or are they cohors agents?<BR>
<BR>
Valete<BR>
<BR>
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Salve Marine,

Whoops!! I meant that to be private but no harm done.

Thanks, I hope to go again this year. As propraetor, and possibly
consul, I expect you to arrange better weather for us though. The
temperature was fine but less rain please. :-)

Vale,

Palladius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Bill Gawne <gawne@c...> wrote:
> deciusiunius wrote:
> >
> > Salve Merulle!
> >
> > You're alive!! I've been to call you but haven't got around to it.
> > Sorry. How are things? Ready for the big drive to Maryland this
year
> > to Roman Days? :-)
>
> Oh, I hope so! It would be great if you can both come again.
>
> --
> Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> Candidate for Consul
> http://www.villaivlilla.com/equitius-for-consul/index.html

G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

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Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salvete Quirites; et salve, C. Mario Merullo.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C Marius Merullus"
<c_marius_m@n...> wrote:

> Salvete
>
> To some extent, we have regional groups. The provinciae are
> already in place, mapped out over much of the world. Any citizen
> in an established provincia can contact his/her propraetor to
> propose a local or regional event.
>
> There is also nothing stopping citizens right now from contacting
> each other and organizing local gatherings. Many have done so in
> the past. Noone would need any official sanction from the Senate
> or any magistrate unless they wanted official recognition for their
> grouping or event.
>
> Valete
>
> C Marius Merullus

And what our current laws provide is for a framework to create local
groups (centered in a town or city) that do have official recognition
and sanction from the Senate and the People of Nova Roma.

This law has already been approved by the Comitia, so I am not
talking about its convenience :-). My plan is to strongly encourage
the creation of those local groups, which I hope would arrange local
(not provincial, but municipal) gatherings and activities on a
regular basis.

S.V.B.E.E.V.
CN.SALIX.T.F.A.NEP.OVF.ASTVR

Actually, Cordus, this was a very confusing reply: On one reading you seemed to say Diana had earned collective wrath, then on another reading it seemed you were saying that I was possibly subject to collective wrath, while a third reading seemed to have you saying there is no such thing as collective action yet indicating that just possibly Diana, myself, or both might be subject to it. I suppose I could parse the bloody thing but it really doen't seem worth it.
Mainly because you totally failed to mention my Post where I admitted that I wasn't keeping count of the tag-team attackers, & simply used Diana's number - YOU went back over the records to point out that there were "only" five. I haven't falsely accused anyone of anything - I got a number wrong and admitted the error.
If there is any enmity, I am totally unaware of it - I have had cordial correspondence with most of the people on both sides of this issue, and count several as friends. Unless something has happened literally overnight that I don't know about, I'm still on friendly terms with these people - no hate mail whatsoever, not even any mild dislike mail; a couple have even written to make sure we were still friends even though we had political differences OnList. The answer is Yes, by the way - everyone is entitled to their views, and gets to vote accordingly. I'm friends with people because I like them; we don't have to agree on everything and it would be silly to lose good friends over minor differences of N.R. policy.
For that matter, you and I have enjoyed cordial relations - our correspondence and posts, offList and OnList, agree or disagree, have always been polite and been on good terms. That feeling hasn't changed for me, and I'm sorry if it has for you.
All of this talk of "enemies" and group enmities bears no relation to my reality thus far, I'm glad to say. My friends and friendly acquaintances - and I believe the vast majority of our Citizens - are above that sort of thing. You're making it out to be cloak and daggers when it's really mostly togas and rhetoric. I'm a bit concerned that the Politics may be effecting your perspective.

Bene vale
~ Servius Equitius Mercurius Troianus, Citizen & not on anyone's hit list that I'm aware of ;-)

-----Original Message-----
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A. Apollonius Cordus to Tribune Diana Moravia Aventina<BR>
and all citizens and peregrines, greetings.<BR>
<BR>
I wrote:<BR>
<BR>

> > So if these are the 22 people you mean then I<BR>

suggest<BR>

> > you withdraw your comment lest you make 17 sudden<BR>
> > enemies!<BR>

<BR>
And you wrote:<BR>
<BR>

> I hope that you are teasing!! Actually I think you<BR>

are. If not then: Ouch! 17 'enemies' because Ser.<BR>

> Equitius Mercurius made one statement? Hmm, that's<BR>

kind of  announcing in a big way that the Cohors<BR>

> sticks together against anyone who disagrees with<BR>

one of them because I sincerely doubt that 17<BR>

> people would all unilaterally decide that Ser.<BR>

Equitius' words were 'enemy' making material!<BR>
<BR>
You're right, I was being light-hearted. Having<BR>
corresponded a little with the gentleman in question I<BR>
was confident that my comment would be taken in good<BR>
humour, but perhaps I should have made it more<BR>
apparent to onlookers.<BR>
<BR>

> Ouch again! I'm now thinking the very unpleasant<BR>

thought that I have 22 'enemies' in Nova Roma.<BR>
<BR>
I would certainly discourage you from thinking of me<BR>
as an enemy.<BR>
<BR>
But of course there's a difference between what you<BR>
were doing, which was criticising the size of the<BR>
cohort, and what Equitius Mercurius mistakenly did,<BR>
which was to say that all 22 of its members had been<BR>
engaging in ad hominem attacks. One is a reasonable<BR>
criticism, while the other is a false accusation. I<BR>
doubt anyone makes enemies by making reasonable<BR>
criticisms, but it's quite possible for someone to<BR>
make enemies by making false accusations (even if, as<BR>
in this case, the accusation was unintentional). See<BR>
what I mean?<BR>
<BR>
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Citizens of Nova Roma;

I appears that we have another Candidate for Curator Differum. I
welcome another person standing for the Magisty, as it provides a choice
for you and for the Res Republica.

In my case, it has been some time (1999, I believe someone mentioned)
since I served previously as Curator Differum, and durng that time much
has changed. Previousy there was no "staff" as I have said except for
the Pontifex Maximus who was kind enough to print the hard copies of the
Newsletter. Other than that most of the five issues that were put out
were done by myself, with a few enties from friends who assisted me
along the way.

Another disadvantage, I am sure that someone will point out was that I
was appointed by a Dictator, and only completed a five month term
instead of the full 12 months. That is also true. The short term was
due to the unexpected resignation of the current Curator Differum of
that time for personal reasons, as I was lead to believe. The dictator
needed to replace the CuratorDifferum and he asked e if I was available.
I was pleased to take the task up as I was then as now, a beiever in
"Eagle" and the possibilities that it offers for Nova Roma.

However, I must point out that with nothing moe than a little Apple
Computer, a pair of scissors and a little tape, I did get five issues
out in five months with the help of the local library where I was able
to put together and copy the original issue to be printed.

Today, I come before you with a few more gadgets, and in the last few
hours of this day, I have been active in meeting some of the "Eagle"
staff members and getting thier ideas, should you decide that I am to be
the Curaor Differum next year. Even if I should not have your
confidence in this Magistry, the work of getting to know the "Eagle"
staff is not wasted, since I want to continue writing my serial story,
"The Rhine River Patrol", ad would like also to "dust off" my Engineer
of the first "Eagle" isuues and continue with his adventures as well.

I note that there has been lately a comment from one of the gentleman on
the Main List in regard to other areas of interst in Nova Roma, besides
the political side of thngs. There are two Senate approved Sodalitas
(Militarium and Egressus) in Nova Roma and they deal with respectively
the Military Aspects of Rome, and Land Aquisition considerations as well
as some Archaelgical and Outreach aspects. These Sodalitas were raised
by myself, and having some small attahment to them, i shall endeavor to
encourage the members of each to work up some ideas about the activities
of these groups for your interest.

We do not hear much from the Academia Thule, or the College of Pontiffs
and each of their respective long range goals, and I shall again
endeavor, if approved, to find out more about these areas, as well, how
they operate, and highlight some outstanding figures in each.

Well, I think that the above is enough for now, My thanks for your
acceptance of my discussion with you and your kind attention to such.

I bid you a very good evening;

P.S. I was asked the other day why I did not list my offices and honors
behind my name. The reason is simple. I have no current "office"
except that of Legate to my home regio and everyone there already knows
that. I sit in the Senate, but everyone who reads the Senate Voting
results knows that as well. I have been appointed as the Senate
Respondorum, but for th most part that task is taken care of by our
excellent Tribunes of the Citizens. I have posted twice to this list
about my candidacy, and two other citizens have endorsed me very
favorably and at some length so you all kow that I am standing for this
office.

So, I sign myself simply as;

---Marcus Minucius Audens

(Marcus to my few personal friends; Marcus Audens -- Respectully; in a
relaxed or working atmosphere; Marcus Minucius Audens -- Very
Respectfully; to my seniors and Marcus Minucius Audens SIR!!!!!!!when I
find myself in trouble (which is usually the case -- Grin!!!!!!!!)

Very Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens


Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!


http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary

Salve Amice,

> Tribunus Plebis
> -Franciscus Apulus Caesar
> -Julilla Sempronia Magna
> Franciscus I met at the NR Rally in Bologna this Summer, and what

can

> say about him? He is wonderful person and absolutely honest and
> trustworthy, his sense of justice is most strong and he has worked
> really hard for respublica for many years. He is the man who

brought

> "the mother of all provinces", his own Italia, from sad inactivity
> into flourishing beauty.

Thank you very much for your fine words, Amice. I was very happy to
meet you in Bonomia and I don't forget our political discussions in
my little red Micra. :-)
I'm supporting your candidacy as Quaestor because I'm sure that
you'll be a wonderful Quaestor repeating the good job done in the
last years.

Good luck

Vale
Fr. Apulsu Caesar
... for Tribune

Salvete omnes

From: "L. Sicinius Drusus" <drusus@...>
Subject: Re: Re: Children need to play nice

L. Didius Geminus Sceptius wrote:

>
> SCEPTIVS: Well, I'd suggest you to read the thread even if it is a
> little boring. Fabius Maximus was asked THREE times before he
> answered (In such an empty way, I think) and therefore is not a game
> of "who forgets before" but "please answer some questions". Those
> questions has to be with his statements, with the Censorial office
> and therefore with the Res Publica.

<Fabius Maximus is on location in Tuscany shooting a Movie, and he has
<managed to find time to post to this list from Italy, When CFQ was in
<Italy this summer he was out of touch for two weeks. You got a reply in
<a couple of days, rather than a couple of weeks.

SCEPTIVS: His reply didn't answer all my questions, but evades them.
About this availability, Fabius Maximus assured a better conection and
therefore I expected not only a quicker answer but a proper one.

> SCEPTIVS: It wasn't any other but Fabius Maximus who started "I have
> a better conection" "I speak a lot of languages" "I'm..." so is him
> who it would be to be adressed. However, it is a simple thing. If
> asked, answer.

<The posts that Fabius Maximus made today were from Italy, as were the
<posts he made the other day. I would say he has proved that he has a
<better internet connection.

SCEPTIVS: Well, it is indeed a proof of such good internet connection, but I
wouldn't say "better". Comparaison can only be done by really knowing the
other suff to compare. By the way, has he met some Italian cives? Being in
campaign, would be a very good idea... :-)

<Are we going to play a double standard here? Where are the demands that
<CFQ prove he will limit the number of people he is going to appoint?
<That he really teaches? that he prove he will "find ways to keep names
<of new citizens as historical"?

SCEPTIVS: As far as I wasn't worried about the number of his team, nor when
he answered, I had no demand on this field.

About his job, Fabius Quintilianus NEVER stated he is a Great Historian or
so, so I understand he is someone like any other. But when someone states to
be a Historian or to Speak So Many Languages, I ask for a proof. Otherwise
it is a simple boast (We in Spain say "Baladronada"). Is not a double
standard. As far as Fabius Quintilianus didn't say such things, no demand is
on my pocket, but if he would do so I'll ask him so.

<I'm willing to accept CFQ's statement that he will limit the number of
<appointments he will make, why are you willing to accept one candidates
<word without demanding proof, but not the others?

SCEPTIVS: As I have told you, I demand the same on any candidate. If you,
for example, would tell me you are a "Great Ethruscan Historian" I'd ask you
to tell me more as a proof. And as you have seen, I have asked ALL
Consular&Tribunician candidates and answer ALL that replied my questions.
Same here. Is not the same on both.

I don't intend to play that of "no answer provided by Fabius Maximus will
make me feel glad" but to play another thing, "A proper answer will stop my
questions" as it has happened with some Consular&Tribunician candidates, you
Sicinius Drusus, for example. I do believe that questioning something a
citizen has said, specially now, running for a delicate office as Censor, is
legitime.

Three questions I still have for Fabius Maximus. No questions for Fabius
Quintilianus. Why? Because first candidate has stated some things I would
like to believe, but I can't without proofs. A simple man's word is not
enough if it is such a *huge* word. I don't mind the team they'd have
because I know that they'd do their best to keep privacy. I don't mind about
Fabius Quintilianus languages because he didn't stated he knew so many. I
don't mind about Fabius Quintilianus connection because he didn't stated he
had such a wonderful new cable modem and so. I do mind about the truth in
such statements as far as TRUTH is one of the most important features a
person should show and specially on Censorial office. I'm not calling Fabius
Maximus a liar, because I don't have proofs of it nor from him and therefore
we don't know. That's why I ask and tell the implications of my questions.

I put again my example; if I were running for some office, Plebeian Aedile,
for example, and I stated "I must be elected because other candidates
doesn't know ethrusquian and have no idea of what is the sacred meaning of
Ludis, and my 700kb cable modem (Actually I have a simple 56kb one) is quite
better than theirs. I also speak german, italian, english, mandarine
chinese, tagalo and tartessian. I'm a historian of such caliber I know a lot
of Ethrusques. Vote me" what would be the reaction? Think about how many
people would be telling me "Not in your better dreams"... :-)

By the way, before you or any other take it as a "defending a Fabius against
another Fabius", I'm not a staff member, nor a poodle, nor a sheep, but an
inquisitor of all those that wants to have my vote. And rememeber how dark
and gloomy the Spanish Inquisition was... (Just kidding :-))


vale bene in pace deorum,
L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS

Salvete Candidates as Curator Differum,

as you know there is a general invitation for the next year to
create an electronic version of The Eagle, something like a
newsletter of a PDF format by mail.
For someone this could leave the expansive costs of the printing and
the usual delay in the mailing.
What do you think about this reformation of the newspaper?
Are you the skills to do it? Do you prefer leave the paper-version?

I would like to know because I think the official newspaper is one
of the most important media of our community adn we could use it to
improve our Res Publica.
Please, gentlemen, consider me as professional editorial and web
designer if you need suggestions and questions.

Thank you very much.

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar

Salvete Sceptius et Omnes,

> <Fabius Maximus is on location in Tuscany shooting a Movie, and he

has

> <managed to find time to post to this list from Italy, When CFQ

was in

> <Italy this summer he was out of touch for two weeks. You got a

reply in

> <a couple of days, rather than a couple of weeks.

...

> <The posts that Fabius Maximus made today were from Italy, as were

the

> <posts he made the other day. I would say he has proved that he

has a

> <better internet connection.
>
> SCEPTIVS: Well, it is indeed a proof of such good internet

connection, but I

> wouldn't say "better". Comparaison can only be done by really

knowing the

> other suff to compare. By the way, has he met some Italian cives?

Being in

> campaign, would be a very good idea... :-)

I answer you as Propraetor Italiae, but I could wrong if other
italics received something. Please, sorry if it is.
We never received mails from Fabius Maximus and we didn't knew he's
in Italy. Of course I think that a Senator, a Consular and a
Pontifex speaking Italian and claiming that he builded our Provincia
should be very glad to meet other italian nova romans, the
provincial magistrates, the italian Fabii and the voters.
And we have skilled and active citizens in Tuscany and Umbria too,
able to drive him in special etruschian (I hope the word is
correct ;-) locations like Marcus Iulius Perusianus and Lucius
Iulius Sulla and Aurelia Iulia Pulchra.
I have to think that Maximus is too busy to do it or to send us an e-
mail. Or maybe he would like to meet us ... :-)
By the way we're even proud and glad to meet him and we're waiting
for his message.

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Propraetor Italiae

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Servius Equitius Mercurius Troianus
<hermeticagnosis@e...> wrote:

> Actually, Cordus, this was a very confusing reply: On one reading

you seemed to say Diana had earned collective wrath, then on another
reading it seemed you were saying that I was possibly subject to
collective wrath, while a third reading seemed to have you saying
there is no such thing as collective action yet indicating that just
possibly Diana, myself, or both might be subject to it. I suppose I
could parse the bloody thing but it really doen't seem worth it.

> Mainly because you totally failed to mention my Post where I

admitted that I wasn't keeping count of the tag-team attackers, &
simply used Diana's number - YOU went back over the records to point
out that there were "only" five. I haven't falsely accused anyone of
anything - I got a number wrong and admitted the error.

> If there is any enmity, I am totally unaware of it - I have had

cordial correspondence with most of the people on both sides of this
issue, and count several as friends. Unless something has happened
literally overnight that I don't know about, I'm still on friendly
terms with these people - no hate mail whatsoever, not even any mild
dislike mail; a couple have even written to make sure we were still
friends even though we had political differences OnList. The answer
is Yes, by the way - everyone is entitled to their views, and gets to
vote accordingly. I'm friends with people because I like them; we
don't have to agree on everything and it would be silly to lose good
friends over minor differences of N.R. policy.

> For that matter, you and I have enjoyed cordial relations - our

correspondence and posts, offList and OnList, agree or disagree, have
always been polite and been on good terms. That feeling hasn't
changed for me, and I'm sorry if it has for you.

> All of this talk of "enemies" and group enmities bears no

relation to my reality thus far, I'm glad to say. My friends and
friendly acquaintances - and I believe the vast majority of our
Citizens - are above that sort of thing. You're making it out to be
cloak and daggers when it's really mostly togas and rhetoric. I'm a
bit concerned that the Politics may be effecting your perspective.

>
> Bene vale
> ~ Servius Equitius Mercurius Troianus, Citizen & not

on anyone's hit list that I'm aware of ;-)

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> "=?iso-8859-1?q?A.=20Apollonius=20Cordus?="

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> A. Apollonius Cordus to Tribune Diana Moravia Aventina<BR>
> and all citizens and peregrines, greetings.<BR>
> <BR>
> I wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> > > So if these are the 22 people you mean then I<BR>
> suggest<BR>
> > > you withdraw your comment lest you make 17 sudden<BR>
> > > enemies!<BR>
> <BR>
> And you wrote:<BR>
> <BR>
> > I hope that you are teasing!! Actually I think you<BR>
> are. If not then: Ouch! 17 'enemies' because Ser.<BR>
> > Equitius Mercurius made one statement? Hmm, that's<BR>
> kind of  announcing in a big way that the Cohors<BR>
> > sticks together against anyone who disagrees with<BR>
> one of them because I sincerely doubt that 17<BR>
> > people would all unilaterally decide that Ser.<BR>
> Equitius' words were 'enemy' making material!<BR>
> <BR>
> You're right, I was being light-hearted. Having<BR>
> corresponded a little with the gentleman in question I<BR>
> was confident that my comment would be taken in good<BR>
> humour, but perhaps I should have made it more<BR>
> apparent to onlookers.<BR>
> <BR>
> > Ouch again! I'm now thinking the very unpleasant<BR>
> thought that I have 22 'enemies' in Nova Roma.<BR>
> <BR>
> I would certainly discourage you from thinking of me<BR>
> as an enemy.<BR>
> <BR>
> But of course there's a difference between what you<BR>
> were doing, which was criticising the size of the<BR>
> cohort, and what Equitius Mercurius mistakenly did,<BR>
> which was to say that all 22 of its members had been<BR>
> engaging in ad hominem attacks. One is a reasonable<BR>
> criticism, while the other is a false accusation. I<BR>
> doubt anyone makes enemies by making reasonable<BR>
> criticisms, but it's quite possible for someone to<BR>
> make enemies by making false accusations (even if, as<BR>
> in this case, the accusation was unintentional). See<BR>
> what I mean?<BR>
> <BR>
>

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The approval of Lex Fabia Centuriata is a great loss for the dignitas
of the Plebeian Magistracies and all Plebis, and makes Nova Roma
farter from the model of Roma Antiqua.

The Plebeians Magistrates, and the Curules as well, will have plenty
work to correct these mistakes.

However, I congratulate everyone who has understood our appeals and
voted ´no´ to this lex.

Vale bene,
L. Arminius Faustus
Senior Plebeian Aedile


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
<christer.edling@t...> wrote:

> COMITIA CENTURIATA
>
> Comitia Centuriata has voted on two leges: "Lex Fabia Centuriata"

and

> "Lex Fabia Civitate Minorum"
>
> Presiding Magistrate: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus, Consul
>
> 47 out of 51 centuries cast ballots.
> 4 centuries had no ballots cast
>
> Therefore, the number of centuries voting was 47, and the vote of

24

> centuries was needed for the passage of these leges.
>
> "Lex Fabia Centuriata"
>
> 26 centuries voted Yes
> 18 centuries voted No (7 were tied)
> 3 abstentions
>
> Lex Fabia Centuriata: PASSED
>
>
> "Lex Fabia Civitate Minorum"
>
> 27 centuries voted Yes
> 19 centuries voted No (8 were tied)
> 1 abstentions
>
> Lex Fabia civitate Minorum: PASSED
> --
>
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Senior Consul et Senator
> Propraetor Thules
> Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
> Civis Romanus sum
> ************************************************
> Cohors Consulis CFQ
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************************************************
> Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Salvete,

I see this decretum with happyness. I´m very glad on seeing this
matter developed. I make a wish many citizens will want to have the
honour to be Pularii.

Vale bene,
L. Arminius Faustus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, cassius622@a... wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> The following Decretum regarding Auguries to be taken before Senate
and
> Comitiae meetings was approved by the Collegium Pontificum on
11/21/2003. It has
> been announced in the Senate, and now needs to be posted in the
appropriate
> section of the Nova Roma website.
>
> The intent of this decretum is to both ensure that ancient
traditions
> regarding important decision making are restored, and it is
appropriate that the Gods
> be given a voice in such processes once again.
>
> Valete,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
>
> **************************************************
> Decretum Collegii Pontificum et Augurum De Iure Auspicandi et
Tripudio
>
> I. De Iure Auspicandi
>
> A. Curule magistrates who are practitioners of the Religio Romana
> shall have the ius auspicandi.
>
> 1. A curule magistrate who is a practitioner of the Religio Romana,
> but not an augur, pontifex, flamen, sacerdos, or pullarius, shall
> submit a written report of any auspication he has taken and his
> interpretation thereof to the Collegium Augurum for verification
that
> vitium has not occurred in the auspication.
>
> 2. In the event of vitium, the Collegium Augurum, providing such
> advice as shall be necessary to correct the defect, shall require
the
> curule magistrate to repeat the auspication correctly.
>
> B. Curule magistrates who are not practitioners of the Religio
Romana
> shall not have the ius auspicandi.
>
> 1. A curule magistrate who is not a practitioner of the Religio
> Romana shall consult an augur or pullarius who shall take the
> auspication and provide an interpretation thereof to the curule
> magistrate.
>
> 2. In the event that the curule magistrate shall dispute
> interpretation of the auspication, the curule magistrate may appeal
to
> the Collegium Augurum for ultimate interpretation of the
auspication.
>
> II. De Modo Tripudii
>
> A. Whenever possible, tripudium shall be the preferred means of
> auspication for meetings of the comitia or the senate.
>
> 1. The principal bird for use in tripudium shall be the chicken.
>
> 2. The Collegium Augurum may determine that other birds of good omen
> may be used for tripudium.
>
> B. The Collegium Augurum establishes the rules by which a correct
> tripudium is performed.
>
> III. De Sodalitate Pullariorum
>
> A. The person charged with responsibility for maintaining and
feeding
> the sacred birds for tripudium shall be a pullarius.
>
> B. It shall be the responsibility of the Collegium Augurum to
appoint
> and train pullarii.
>
> C. Pullarii appointed by the Collegium Augurum shall constitute the
> Sodalitas Pulliariorum and its members shall have the rank and
century
> points of a sacerdos.
>
> IV. De Impietate et Auspicando
>
> A. It shall constitute an offence of impietas prudens dolo malo for
a
> curule magistrate to knowingly convene a meeting of the Comitia
> Centuriata, Comitia Populi Tributa, or the Senate without
performance
> of a valid auspication.
>
> B. A person who has been convicted of this offence of impietas
> prudens dolo malo shall suffer the penalty of exactio for life.
>
> C. Trial for the offence of impetas dolo malo shall be conducted in
> accordance with the Lex Salicia Iudiciaria, or those Leges which
> replace Lex Salicia Iudiciaria. No prosecution shall be accepted for
> offences under this decretum which occurred prior to this decretum's
> promulgation.
>
> V. De Auspicando et Comitiis Plebis Tributis
>
> A. In accordance with the mos maiorum auspices shall not be taken to
> convene the Comitia Plebis Tributa.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Congratulations, Senator! Your candidature fill us with joy. We all
know your capacity as excellent writter!

May your Aquila have fair winds and fly high!

Vale,
L. Arminius Faustus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, jmath669642reng@w... wrote:
> Citizens of Nova Roma;
>
> I am very pleased to come before you in the white toga of a
Candidate
> for the Magistry of Curator Differum.
>
> I am humbled (truly) by the comments which have preceded this
> announcement, and I am honored greatly by the kind things that have
been
> said about me. My purpose in coming before you was to provide the
> Citizens of Nova Roma with some information about me and my
background,
> but it appears that this effort has already been accomplished for
me,
> and I thank the author of those words.
>
> When the idea of the "Eagle" was first brought forward in Nova Roma
I
> was pleased to have a very small part of the newsletter, and
entered a
> few items to help it along. I knew the Editor having met her in her
> hometown in Massachusetts. It was this Editor, who did an
outstanding
> job and I learned a great deal rom her. I have edited two other
> newsletters in my experience (one for about 5 years) but there is
still
> much to learn about the task. I have spent a good part of the day
> talking via the internet with some of those great people who have
> offered to assist me in this task, and putting things into place to
> insure that there will be a continuing newsletter for the citizens
of
> Nova Roma each month.
>
> My decision to enter the lists this year was basicly brought about
by a
> good friend of mine who asked me to consider it. Several other
friends
> in whom I have a great deal of faith further encouraged me to take
this
> action, so I am back again to ask for your consideration in placing
me
> into this position.
>
> My first "tour of duty" with the "Eagle" was as a replacement for an
> Editor who had resigned her position. I was pleased, with the
stalwart
> support of the Hnorable Pontifex Maximus, to get out an issue every
> month for the five months of the replacement term. At that time my
good
> friend in Belgium, I believe, was responsible for the mailing of
> European issues, and it fell to me to maill those in the Western
> Hemisphere. This was strictly a type and paste activity as I did
not
> at that time have a computer which could do anything save type and
> print. Since then I have managed to accumulate a few more items
that
> will be of great assistance. Perhaps this year with some additional
> support I shall be able to make it through the full year
(Grin!!!!!!!!).
>
> My special thanks to those who have welcomed me most fulsomely, and
my
> thanks to all of you for your kind attention to this announcement..
>
> I most respectfully ask for your consideration in this
Candidature. I
> am well aware that it is the power of the Citizens of Nova Roma and
> thier voting privaledge which is responsible for the Magistrates of
> tomorrow. I have always admired and respected that power and I do
so
> again as I present myself for your consideration.
>
> Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Minucius Audens
>
> Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
>
>
> http://community.webtv.net/jmath669642reng/NovaRomaMilitary

Salve, excellente praetor,

I´m glad we can join together, and we have a candidate worried with
this.

Latin America is a question of dignitas for our Res Publica. Mexico,
Brasilia and Argentina are like the three Horaces brothers fighting
for the honour of Nova Roma. Alas, if there is a problem of
´polarization´ on the North Atlantic Axis, growing a third region
will finish it.

The Latin American governments have tradition to be sponsors and
helpers of Non-Profit Organizations, as the Provincial Government
fits. It shall be easy.

Citizens, I support Salix Astur for the consulship. I´m sure he must
be one of our consuls.

Vale bene,
L. Arminius Faustus
Legatus - Provincia Brasiliae

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Salix Astur"
<salixastur@y...> wrote:

> Salvete Quirites; et salve, Luci Armini.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
> <lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> > Salve,
> >
> > US and EU... OK, but don´t forget a growing third pole... Latin
> > America, uh? And I hope soon we will have the forth and fifth
> > pole... virtual urbe is going to all the orbe...
> >
> > As many countries we can entablish a serious and legal presence

of

> > NR, better for the solidness and safety of our institution. Local
> > legally recognized provincial governments are the very starting

of

> > this project.
>
> I couldn't agree more, my friend. Of course, South America is
> different in that it is divided in several countries and that
> recognition in one country does not automatically mean recognition

in

> all of them (as it does in the EU, I believe). But yes; with time,

we

> should get registered at least in Brazil, Mexico and Argentina.
>
> Should I be elected, we can begin the process of registering NR in
> Brazil whenever you want. A preliminary study will be necessary, to
> know what we have to do and what choices we have to make; but I see
> no reason why we should not register there as well.
>
> > A rewarding job indeed for consules, praetores, proconsules and
> > propraetores...
>
> Yes, several administrations will have to effectively work

together.

> And that is great! :-).
>
> CN.SALIX.T.F.A.NEP.OVF.ASTVR

Salvete omnes, especially those honoured Novoromani who are in charge
of arranging the voting procedures and apparati for our community:

More importantly than figuring out who to vote for in the coming
elections, How will we know when it is time to vote? I know that many
of our citizens probably know when this period of time will be, but
for the benefit of those who have joined since the last elections or
who have been so busy in the last year they have difficulty
remembering (like myself), could there be an announcement in the
Forum when the time for voting has commenced? I am pleased to see so
many eager and able candidates, and it would be disappointing if not
everyone knew when the voting was opened and so be rendered unable to
show their support for their chosen candidates.

I received a voter code and century last November; do citizens' codes
carry over into subsequent years, or will new ones be issued?

Many thanks for your patience,
Horatia Minucia Caesar
Scriba Propraetoris

Salve, propraetor,

Congratulations! Mexico is the key for the glory and survival of Nova
Roma. You will have plenty work to do. Count with us!

Vale bene,
L. Arminius Faustus
Legatus - Provincia Brasiliae


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Caivs Ivlivs Barcinvs Ciconivs"
<xgemella@y...> wrote:

> CAIUS IULIUS BARCINUS CICONIUS SENATO POPVLOQVE NOVAROMAE S.P.D.
>
> Ego, Caius Iulius Barcinus Ciconius (Fco Javier Martínez
> Ibáñez) hoc ipso facto sollemniter IVRO Novae Romae decus defendere
> et semper pro Novae Romae Populo atque Senatu agere. Ut Novae Romae
> magistratus ego Caius Iulius Barcinus Ciconius(Fco Javier Martinez
> Ibáñez) Romae deos deasque colere IVRO in omnibus publicae vitae
> temporibus atque Romanas virtutes et publica et privata vita
> persequi.
>
> Ego, Caius Iulius Barcinus Ciconius(Fco Javier Martínez
> Ibáñez) Romanam religionem favere et defendere IVRO ut Novae Romae
> Reipublicae religionem et numquam agere ita ut eius status publicae
> religionis aliquid detrimenti capiat. Praeterea ego, Caius Iulius
> Barcinus Ciconius (Javier Martínez) IVRO quam optime fungi officium
> muneris Propraetoris
> Provinciae Mexicaniae.
>
> Meo Novae Romae civis honore et coram Populi Romani deis

atque

> deabus et eorum voluntate et favore, munus Propraetoris Provinciae
> Hispaniae ACCIPIO una cum iuribus, privilegiis. munera atque

officia

> quae meum munus comportat.
>
> In Mexico Provincia A.D. IV Dec. MMDCCLVI a.u.c.
>
> ----------------------------------------
>
>
> I, Caius Iulius Barcinus Ciconius (Fco Javier Martínez Ibáñez) do
> hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act
> always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova
> Roma.
>
> As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Caius Iulius Barcinus Ciconius

(Fco

> Javier Martínez Ibáñez) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of
> Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my
> public and private life.
>
> I, Caius Iulius Barcinus Ciconius (Fco Javier Martínez Ibáñez)

swear

> to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of
> Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its
> status as the State Religion.
>
> I, Caius Iulius Barcinus Ciconius (Fco Javier Martínez Ibáñez)swear
> to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
>
> I, Caius Iulius Barcinus Ciconius (Fco Javier Martínez Ibáñez)
> further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of

the

> office of Propraetor Provinciae Mexicaniae to the best of my
> abilities.
>
> On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
> Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
> do I accept the position of Propraetor Mexicaniae and all the
> rights, privileges, obligations,and responsibilities attendant
> thereto.
>
> In Mexico Provincia A.D. IV Dec. MMDCCLVI a.u.c.
> Caius Iulius Barcinus Ciconius (Fco Javier Martínez Ibáñez)
>
> Mexico Provincia.
>
> ------------------------------------------
>
>
> Yo, Caius Iulius Barcinus Ciconius (Fco Javier Martínez Ibáñez) por
> la presente JURO solemnemente defender el honor de Nova Roma, y
> actuar siempre por los intereses de la gente y el Senado de Nova
> Roma.
> Como magistrado de Nova Roma, yo,Caius Iulius Barcinus Ciconius

(Fco

> Javier Martínez Ibáñez) JURO honrar a los Dioses y las Diosas de
> Roma en mis actos públicos, y perseguir las Virtudes Romanas en mi
> vida pública y privada.
>
> Yo, Caius Iulius Barcinus Ciconius (Fco Javier Martínez Ibáñez),
> JURO mantener y defender la Religio Romana así como la Religión del
> Estado de Nova Roma y JURO nunca actuar de una manera que

amenazaría

> su condición de Religión del Estado.
> Yo,Caius Iulius Barcinus Ciconius (Fco Javier Martínez Ibáñez) JURO
> proteger y defender la Constitución de Nova Roma.
> Yo, NOMBRE NOVAROMANO (NOMBRE MACRONACIONAL) además JURO
> cumplir las obligaciones y responsabilidades del cargo de

Propraetor

> Mexicanae al maximo de mis capacidades.
>
> Para mi honor como Ciudadano de Nova Roma, y en presencia de los
> Dioses y las Diosas de la gente Romana y por su voluntad y favor,
> ACEPTO el puesto de Propraetor Mexicanae todos los derechos,
> privilegios, obligaciones y responsabilidades que el cargo comporta.
>
>
> En la Provincia novorromana de Mexico A.D. IV Dec. MMDCCLVI a.u.c.
>
>
>
>
> Caius Iulius Barcinus Ciconius
> Provincia Mexico

Salvete Quirites,

Lucius Arminius Faustus wrote:

> The Plebeians Magistrates, and the Curules as well,
> will have plenty work

I look forward to the opportunity to correct the
imballance in recognition between the Aedilean
magistracies. I will invite all of next year's
Aediles to join me in addressing the concerns you
have raised, and bringing a more satisfactory
solution to the Comitia Centuriata.

Valete,

--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Candidate for Consul
http://www.villaivlilla.com/equitius-for-consul/index.html

F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus S.P.D.

My esteemed cousin has the right of it when he says that if you do not agree with a citizen's position and manner who is running for office, do not vote for that person.
As I pointed out in an earlier post, any citizen with access to Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com can review all of the previous Senate votes to determine how the Senators running for office felt about certain issues. Also there are usually a number of posts about the leges that are going to be voted on by the Senate.
A citizen is also free to contact a candidate to ask them how they felt about a certain lex and even ask them (privately) how they voted on that lex. However, they may tell you that it is none of your business.
It is important for every citizen who votes, assidui or capite censi, to know as much about the person standing for office as they can so they know what the Republic may be getting for a magistrate.
I welcome all private and public inquiries to me about the upcoming election; although I may not answer a public question on the main list if it would be better served to respond in private. Vale.

Tribuna dearest,

Thanks a lot, I´m flattered!

On 2003, the tribuneship was made stronger. Now on 2004, the
aedilship must be better thought. Even the Curule itself is not
completely defined.

Only having a clearly view of all NR magistracies the political
mechanisms can lead us ahead.

I will join whoever magistrate wants to join Plebis on this cruzade
for better work of the magistracies of Res Publica.

Vale,
L. Arminius Faustus
FAUSTUS FOR TRIBUNE

>
> Declaring intercessio is not something fun to do and it is

a 'power' that is never ever to be taken

> lightly. So I am glad to see on this list that you as well as many

of our Tribune candidates realize

> this before they are even elected into this important office!
>
> Vale,
> Diana Moravia Aventina

Salve Horatia Minucia, et salvete quirites,

H Minucia Caesar wrote:

> How will we know when it is time to vote?

Consul Fortunatus will post a message here and to the
NovaRoma-Announce list, at least five days before the
voting is to begin, specifying the start and stop time
of voting as well as the names of all candidates, what
offices they're running for, and any laws we'll be
voting on. The exact timing depends on the results
of auguries which may not yet be complete.

> could there be an announcement in the
> Forum when the time for voting has commenced?

That is the standard practice of presiding magistrates.
I feel sure Consul Fortunatus will follow it.

> I received a voter code and century last November; do citizens' codes
> carry over into subsequent years, or will new ones be issued?

That is a question for one of the Censors to answer.
I know that centuries are realigned at least yearly,
though I'm not sure whether new voter codes will be
issued to us all or not.

Valete,

--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Candidate for Consul
http://www.villaivlilla.com/equitius-for-consul/index.html

Salve,

Making this, if you are elected, you will shine your consulship as no
consul has made before. If I be elected Tribune, I will gladly help.
If I will not be elected, I will help anyway... necessity is the
mother of industry.

Vale,
L. Arminius Faustus
FAUSTUS FOR TRIBUNE


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@c...> wrote:

> Salvete Quirites,
>
> Lucius Arminius Faustus wrote:
>
> > The Plebeians Magistrates, and the Curules as well,
> > will have plenty work
>
> I look forward to the opportunity to correct the
> imballance in recognition between the Aedilean
> magistracies. I will invite all of next year's
> Aediles to join me in addressing the concerns you
> have raised, and bringing a more satisfactory
> solution to the Comitia Centuriata.
>
> Valete,
>
> --
> Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> Candidate for Consul
> http://www.villaivlilla.com/equitius-for-consul/index.html

> > I received a voter code and century last November; do citizens' codes
> > carry over into subsequent years, or will new ones be issued?
>
> That is a question for one of the Censors to answer.

ALL voter codes will be reset a few days from now. They'll change
to a different format and the voting software will warn you if you're
using the old format.

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus.
http://www.graveyards.com/

F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to the Illustrious L. Equitius Cincinnatus. Salve, noble sir.

In your recent digest, you pointed out three posts that I had made or been a part of which were either half-truths or mistakes. Specifically,
the use of the honorific "Illustrious" for the Senior Consul. I also use the same honorific when I have addressed L. Sicinius Drusus and Q. Fabius Maximus. Even though I hold each of these three noble gentlemen in differing levels of esteem, I use this honorific for the Consuls, Censors, and members of the Senate. It is a habit of purely provincial and personal origin. I also use the term "Honorable" for other magistrates. I also call my Materfamilias "Mother" and other citizens who I hold in special affection and respect "Cousin."
On the second point, my post to A. Apollonius Cordus was in reference to the Illustrious Senator L. Sicinius Drusus not the Illustrious Senator Q. Fabius Maximus.
The third point has to do with you taking something out of the proper timeline. I commented to Apollonius Cordus that the Illustrious Senator Drusus had not contacted the Illustrious Senior Consul before making a statement about bloated censorial staffs. Only after this post did the Illustrious Senator Drusus post a question to the Illustrious Senior Consul. Furthermore, the Illustrious Senator Drusus had already commented/implied in earlier posts that he had presumed about the potential size of the censorial staff of the Illustrious CFQ should he be elected. He also stated that he had not bothered because he felt that the Illustrious CFQ would not communicate with him or would be less than forthcoming about the size of a potential censorial staff. Some citizens might be led by these posts that the Illustrious Senator Drusus is insinuating that he believes that the Illustrious Senior Consul is an "...elitist s***head..." and a liar but I personally do not believe that is what the Illustrious Senator Drusus meant at all. Of course, every citizen is entitled to their own conclusions and may even take posts, insults, comments, and such out of context or reverse the order in which they appeared on the list.
I hope that clears up any possible confusion or misunderstanding on your part. Vale.

Salvete Quirites, et salve Luci Equiti,

Lucius Equitius asked, in response to my statement:

> My reading of history tells me that once a Roman
> was elected to his first magistracy -- usually as Quaestor --
> he became 'sui generis' and was no longer subject to the
> will of his paterfamilias.
>
>
> L Equitius: Please be so kind as to provide sources for
> this assertion? I've not seen anything that supports it.

Certainly. My thanks to Gaius Iulius Scaurus for his help
in tracking down the sources. My statement was based on
something he had posted last summer.

(Quoting private e-mail from Scaurus)
Iustinian's _Digestae_ 1 tit.6 specifically distinguishes between ius
domesticum and the ius publicum, a distinction which is also seen in
Augustan legislation and which had earlier republican precedent (Livy,
xxiv.44). Under the ius publicum the patria potestas did not extend to
the rights of a citizen to vote, hold a magistracy, or act as a tutor.
Indeed, Aulus Gellius, Noctes Atticae, ii.2, notes that upon entering
into a magistratus the ius domesticum of patria potestas ceased for the
filiusfamilius, just as it did for the Rex Sacrorum (who could hold no
civil magistratus), a Flamen, or a Vestal (in the last case the patria
potestas was ritually dissolved and then created anew with the Pontifex
Maximus as paterfamilias rather than being conveyed as in marriage in manu).
(End Scaurus Text)

I hope that is satisfactory. Please let me know if
you'd like deeper research into the question.

Valete,

--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Candidate for Consul
http://www.villaivlilla.com/equitius-for-consul/index.html

CAIVS IVLIVS MARIVS CIVIBVS SPD

is with big sorrow that I'm constrained, for personal reasons, to withdraw
my candidacy as Quaestor.

I want to excuse me with all you and the Consules. I hope I'll be able, as
soon as possible, to serve to the best the Res Publica.

VALE

C IVL MARIVS


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve Diana,

I thank you sincerely for your kind words, encouragement and your
prayers.

I am especially grateful to you for your public endorsement of my
candidature for the office of AEDILE PLEBIS.

May I in return take this opportunity to state publicly what I have
already conveyed to you privately VIZ. my endorsement and best wishes
in your candidature for CONSVL. I have absolutely no doubt you would
make a most excellent CONSVL and certainly your track record and
reputation as a hard-working , effective and conscientious TRIBVNVS
PLEBIS speaks for itself.

May VENVS guide you Diana:-

"OMNIA VINCIT AMOR: ET NOS CEDAMVS AMORI" - Virgil

Vale

MARCVS CALIDIVS GRACCHVS


P.S. Thanks for the compliment regarding my accent - please allow me
to compliment your beauty as is befitting a priestess of VENVS!
GALLIA is indeed fortunate! :-)

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia Aventina"
<diana@p...> wrote:

> Salve Marcus Calidius Gracchus!
>
> Congratulations on your appointment as Propraetor of Hibernia! I

can't think of anyone better suited

> for the position than you! (A separate thought which popped into my

head is that I bet that you have

> one of those nice Hibernian accents too :-)
>
> <Although, I have not had the opportunity to consult the AVSPICES

nor

> <the HARVSPICES it is my fervant hope and belief that the gods will
> <smile upon this day, HIBERNIA, all HIBERNII, bless my

propraetorship

> <and, of course, our RES PVBLICA. I humbly ask great IVPPITER and
> <Lugh to guide me.
>
> Since you have remembered the Gods in your very first post as

Propraetor, and have humbly asked them

> for your guidance, I sincerely believe that they are indeed smiling

upon this day!

>
> And I want to say good luck in the elction for Plebeian Aedile--

you'd make a fine one!

>
> Vale,
> Diana Moravia

Salvete!

> I too have slipped up from time to time - and I always Apologize

both Publically and Privately. It is the Gentlemanly thing to do to
admit when you are wrong. As I have certain "flash points" that are
becoming well known - Civility on the List, Defending Young People -
I too am likely to exceed the bounds of decency at some point in the
future too, so don't beat yourself up about

> it, just try to do better and think before you send (I have learned

a good way to avoid causing too much offense - and I have only just
begun doing this recently after my recent embarrassment with my
treatment of the fine Lady who is now a friend only because she could
find it in her heart to forgive me, Agrippina) - is to READ your Post
before you send it. Edit out the nasty bits.


Thank you for bringing this up my friend! I have remained silent
since I didn't want anyone to think there was still hard feelings
(there aren't). However, I have been reading the posts demanding
examples of intimidation & wondering if I was reading the same list
as everyone else? If one wants examples of intimidation, one only
needs to read the list on a daily basis. In my two months as a
citizen I've seen a lot of name calling, character bashing, and other
childish behavior. I've seen portions of posts taken out of context &
explode into an fight about essentially nothing, since the quote was
taken *out of context.* That is very intimidating, perhaps not in
the manner of the Mafia, but intimidation none-the-less. Why should
anyone post to a list where they are almost assured to be dragged
into a name calling session or are asked to defend a portion of their
post, not the post as a whole? I thought long & hard before
responding on the main list to this post since I'm sure someone will
start a flame war over it. <sigh> Honestly, I think remaining
silent on this list is a great course of action for me since I don't
really have the patience, the logic / debating skills, or the desire
to resort to name calling when I can't prove my point effectively.

I realize that most of this intimidation discussion revolved around
staff members of various people. I don't think that too many
citizens check the Album Gentium to see if the offending poster holds
an office or are connected to someone who does. I didn't. Even if I
had I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have jumped to the conclusion that it
was a coordinated attack in order to get me to change my vote (or
whatever such coordination would imply). *That* seems a bit
too 'conspiracy theory' to me.

Well, that's my two cents. Go easy on me *please* :)

Valete,

Agrippina Modia Aurelia

F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to Agrippina Modia Aurelia. Salve.

Message below:

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "agrippina_modia_aurelia"
<whiterose13.geo@y...> wrote:

> Salvete!
>
> > I too have slipped up from time to time - and I always

Apologize

> both Publically and Privately. It is the Gentlemanly thing to do

to

> admit when you are wrong. As I have certain "flash points" that

are

> becoming well known - Civility on the List, Defending Young

People -

> I too am likely to exceed the bounds of decency at some point in

the

> future too, so don't beat yourself up about
> > it, just try to do better and think before you send (I have

learned

> a good way to avoid causing too much offense - and I have only

just

> begun doing this recently after my recent embarrassment with my
> treatment of the fine Lady who is now a friend only because she

could

> find it in her heart to forgive me, Agrippina) - is to READ your

Post

> before you send it. Edit out the nasty bits.
>
>
> Thank you for bringing this up my friend! I have remained silent
> since I didn't want anyone to think there was still hard feelings
> (there aren't). However, I have been reading the posts demanding
> examples of intimidation & wondering if I was reading the same

list

> as everyone else? If one wants examples of intimidation, one only
> needs to read the list on a daily basis. In my two months as a
> citizen I've seen a lot of name calling, character bashing, and

other

> childish behavior. I've seen portions of posts taken out of

context &

> explode into an fight about essentially nothing, since the quote

was

> taken *out of context.* That is very intimidating, perhaps not in
> the manner of the Mafia, but intimidation none-the-less. Why

should

> anyone post to a list where they are almost assured to be dragged
> into a name calling session or are asked to defend a portion of

their

> post, not the post as a whole? I thought long & hard before
> responding on the main list to this post since I'm sure someone

will

> start a flame war over it. <sigh> Honestly, I think remaining
> silent on this list is a great course of action for me since I

don't

> really have the patience, the logic / debating skills, or the

desire

> to resort to name calling when I can't prove my point

effectively.

>
> I realize that most of this intimidation discussion revolved

around

> staff members of various people. I don't think that too many
> citizens check the Album Gentium to see if the offending poster

holds

> an office or are connected to someone who does. I didn't. Even

if I

> had I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have jumped to the conclusion that

it

> was a coordinated attack in order to get me to change my vote (or
> whatever such coordination would imply). *That* seems a bit
> too 'conspiracy theory' to me.
>

My Lady, I want you to know that during elections there is always a
great deal more of political debate, rhetoric, name-calling, et
cetera among candidates, their supporters, and their friends. On
the whole, as my cousin Servi Equiti will tell you, we remain mostly
civil, polite, and humorous with each other during most of the year.
I have always responded as a private citizen since I do not regard
either of the posts that I have held or do hold to be what defines
me as a Nova Roman. I do not believe that most of those citizens
who are active on the mainlist are practitioners of the not-so-
gentle-art of intimidation although sometimes there are examples of
intimidation with intent and intimidation without intent. There is
always going to be a certain amount of rhetoric and demagoguery
because that is part of our Roman heritage. Please be assured that
I would welcome more active discussion and the exchange of
educational information on the mainlist. May the Gods keep you well.

> Well, that's my two cents. Go easy on me *please* :)
>
> Valete,
>
> Agrippina Modia Aurelia

Vale.