Salve M Minucius Audens,

> I hereby appoint Gnaeus Equitius Marnus as:
>
> "Beneficarius and Cornicularius Primus, with the rank of Tribunus
> Militum Laticlavius Militarium. He is appointed with his Militarium
> Rank and Position a Roman Equestrian Knight."

An excellent decision Audens and beyond a doubt Marinus deserves the honor! It is nice to see that
no matter what the results are of the Consul's race, G Equitius Marinus will still be serving our
Republic.

> I ask all those members of Militarium to share in my congratulations to
> these men on the day of thier appointments.

Congratulations Marinus! Well done!

Valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina
Sacerdos Venus & Tribunus Plebis

T Labienus Fortunatus Consul Quiritibus SPD

Voting ended roughly an hour and a half ago in the Comitia Centuriata
and Comitia Populi Tributa. The rogatores now have forty-eight hours in
which to tabulate the results and report them to me. After that, I have
twenty-four hours in which to make those results public. Usually, it
takes a lot less than three days.

To all who voted, thank you.

Valete

Salve!
There is also a variety of samian, and, very soon coarse-ware
reconstructions available at
www. tarquitii.com
Best, Caius Tarquitius Saturninus

> Salvete,
>
> Some good news this morning. A member of Gens Cassia living in the Nova
> Britannia Province, Iulia Cassia Vegetia, has started a pottery business
> and is
> looking to reproduce food-quality Roman redware!
>
> I'm working with her regarding the specs now, and hopefully she'll have a
> website up for consideration by the Censors in a month or two. Right now
> she's
> figuring that a cup would go for $10 US, and a bowl or plate would go for
> around
> $20 US.
>
> Having useable and affordable pottery available would make it easier for
> NR
> Citizens to hold Roman dinner parties at events, etc. :)
>
> Valete,
>
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
>
>
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Salvete quirites, et salvete Diana,

Diana Moravia Aventina wrote:

> An excellent decision Audens and beyond a doubt Marinus
> deserves the honor!

Oh, I make a good enough clerk, I suppose. That's most
of what an Adjutant does, and this is basically an
Adjutant's appointment.

> It is nice to see that no matter what the results are
> of the Consul's race, G Equitius Marinus will still be serving our
> Republic.

Oh, there's no worry there. I'm still governor of Mediatlantica
too. No shortage of work for me. Though I might need to
hire a provincial scribe soon.

> Congratulations Marinus! Well done!

Thank you Diana. It seems that we are Tribunes together,
at least for a few days. Though Tribunes of different
types.

-- Marinus (contemplating the cost of all that white armor)

Congratulations to Gnaeus Equitius Marinus! I trust that the Sodalitas
Militarium shall benefit greatly by the service of this fine statesman.

Vale;

Gaius Modius

In a message dated 12/22/2003 1:06:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jmath669642reng@... writes:
I hereby appoint Gnaeus Equitius Marnus as:

"Beneficarius and Cornicularius Primus, with the rank of Tribunus
Militum Laticlavius Militarium. He is appointed with his Militarium
Rank and Position a Roman Equestrian Knight."


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Salvete quirites, et salve Gai Modi,

AthanasiosofSpfd@... wrote:

> Congratulations to Gnaeus Equitius Marinus! I trust that the Sodalitas
> Militarium shall benefit greatly by the service of this fine statesman.

Oh, I trust you're absolutely right. I forsee an increase
in the work that Praefectus Castrorum Audens expects of me.

But that'll be fine. I hope to see a bit more activity
coming out of the Militarium in the coming year. As you know
we have great hopes for things in your province and mine both.

Valete,

-- Marinus

Salvete omnes,

Marcus Minucius Audens wrote:

> I hereby appoint Gnaeus Equitius Marnus as:
>
> "Beneficarius and Cornicularius Primus, with the rank of Tribunus
> Militum Laticlavius Militarium. He is appointed with his Militarium
> Rank and Position a Roman Equestrian Knight."

My thanks to Senator and Praefectus Castrorum Marcus
Minucius Audens for this quite unexpected honor.
I shall endeavor to live up to it.

Valete,

--
Gn. Equitius Marinus

There were several different organizations of the Roman military forces between 700 BC with Servius Tullus and the Legions of Tiberius:

Servian Legions (700-400) with five classes of troops based on wealth as reflected in their equipment. Class I with full hoplite panoply; Class II with same equipment except no curiass and a Latin scutum; Class III with helmet, spear, sword, and Latin scutum; Class IV with javelins, sword, and scutum; Class V equipped as slingers, unshielded javelin men, and rock throwers. Cavalry were composed of those rich enough to have horses, panoply, and weapons. More information in Livy.

Camillan Legions (400-100) According to Polybius, organized in maniples of three centuries each as the basic tactical unit; with two thirds of the men designated as hastati armed with two pila, sword, pectoral breast plate, one or two greaves, scutum, and helmet. The other third being the triari or rotari armed with a 12' spear instead of pila, better armor, and composed of veterans and older men. 40 velites to each maniple armed with up to seven short javelins, sword, round shield, and helmets; acting as skirmishers, flankers, and scouts.
The cavalry in each legion was composed of 300 men trooped in 10 30-man turmae. These troops were armed with javelins, lance, sword, and round shield; armor was mail shirt or curiass and a helmet. Their function was primarily to screen the legions and act as scouts.

These first two organizations were organized by wealth and class. They featured huge baggage trains and many specialty units were supplied by allies, mercenaries, and impressed labor.

Marian Legions (100 BC-14 AD) Standard formation of 6 80-man centuries organized in 10 cohorts (first cohort was double strength 5 centuries of 160 men each) armed with two pila, sword, scutum, helmet, and body armor all supplied by the State if the recruits didn't have it themselves. Troops carried much of their own baggage and each century usually had not more than 10-12 mules for tools, tents, querns, and extra rations; double that for the centuries in first cohort. No mention of cavalry in much of the histories but the "knights" of the equestrian class were still there.
Mercenaries were primarily slingers from the Baleric Islands, archers from Crete, cavalry from Hispania and southern Gaul, and a few military engineers from Greece. Lots of information in the writings of C. Julius Caesar.

Augustan Legions (14 AD-200 AD) Much the same but the cavalry is now 120 strong per legion acting as scouts and messengers. Artillery is an integral part of each legion along with military/civil engineers and other immunes (specialists) making each legion like a modern division.
Specialty troops in the auxiliaries are organized in units of 480 (6 centuries) or 960 men; with a mixed cohort equitata having five centuries of infantry and one of cavalry. Other auxiliaries included slingers, archers, horse archers, heavy cavalry, medium cavalry, and dromedary cavalry.
There are also other military units like the Praetorian Guard, the Emperor's Horse Guards; the Emperor's German Guard, the Fleet at Misenum, and the Marines.

The legions after Septimus Severus begin to change quite a bit and are completely different by the time of Diocletian.
Most legions you see at reenactments are based on 1st Century A.D. formations.

This is a very limited overview.

F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus

Salve M. Minucius Audens

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, jmath669642reng@w... wrote:
>
> [...snipped...]
> So in order to accomodate both the Militarium as well as retain a
valued
> officer I make the folowing appointments:
>
> I hereby appoint Gnaeus Equitius Marnus as:
>
> "Beneficarius and Cornicularius Primus, with the rank of Tribunus
> Militum Laticlavius Militarium. He is appointed with his Militarium
> Rank and Position a Roman Equestrian Knight."
>
> I hereby appoint Casca Tiberius as
>
> "Beneficarius and Cornicularius Minor with the rank of Tribunus
Militum
> Agusticlavius Militarium. He is appointed with his Militarium Rank
and
> Position a Roman Equestrian Knight."
>

Excellent appointments both!
My most sincere congratulations to both Marinus and Tiberius.

Bene Vale
Livia Cornelia Hibernia

> Oh, I make a good enough clerk, I suppose. That's most
> of what an Adjutant does, and this is basically an
> Adjutant's appointment.

> -- Marinus (contemplating the cost of all that white armor)

Salve Marinus,
Well the clerks in my office would certainly liven up the place if they wore white armour to work
:-)
Vale,
Diana

Note: This is for any Italian Nova Romans. Sorry if it is off topic. I just
need an answer.

Salve Amici,

Io ho una domanda per un italiano/a. Che e Scopa e Briscola? Loro come
gioco? Grazie.

BENE.VALE.
I.MANERE.IN.AMORA.DI.ROMA.
ET.FORTIS.IN.FIDE.
GNAEVS.SCRIBONIVS.SCRIPTOR.
DI.LEGIO.XXIV.MA.ET.NOVA.ROMA.


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Salvete Quirites; et salve, Cn. Scriboni.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Scriboni89@a... wrote:
> Note: This is for any Italian Nova Romans. Sorry if it is off
> topic. I just need an answer.
>
> Salve Amici,
>
> Io ho una domanda per un italiano/a. Che e Scopa e Briscola?
> Loro come gioco? Grazie.

Yes; scopa and briscola are two Italian card games.
Bear in mind that they are played with an Italian deck of cards,
which is different from the American one. You can also use a Spanish
deck, which is more or less the same as an Italian one.

By the way, scopa and briscola are also played in Spain; the only
difference is that their names are respectively escoba and brisca
:-).

S.V.B.E.E.V.
CN.SALIX.T.F.A.NEP.OVF.ASTVR

Salve Gnaeus:

I agree that John Ebel's remarks were strong; but there was no mention
of NovaRoma nor any inference that the individuals he spoke of, were
NovaRoman citizens. He asked me to publish his remarks un-edited,
which I did, although I did have some reservations with some of his
comments.

I have re-read John's article and I honestly did not see any of his
remarks that directly insulted any Senators or citizens of NovaRoma.
We all, at times, have probably felt that by inference, we were being
put upon or insulted or "dissed" as they say.
Also, at times, we have look beyond what was said and be willing to
agree that we disagree.

As Commander and on behalf of Legion XXIV, I apologize for any ill
feelings concerning John's remarks.

Yours in Service to NovaRoma

Gallio Velius Marsallas, Praefectus, Legion XXIV
Tribunes Militarius, NovaRoma

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus" <gawne@...>
To: <legionxxiv@...>
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2003 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: Vicesima Quarta Newsletter Dec 2003


> Salve Gallio,
>
> While I understand that it's your organizational
> newsletter, I have to take exception to some of
> what John Ebel had to say. His word choices are
> very close to the limits of our Nova Roman slander
> and libel laws, and someone might not notice that
> you were simply passing his words along.
>
> He can insult Thomas Jefferson all he wants, because
> Jefferson is a historical personage, though I disagree
> with his opinion. However, for him to make such
> blatant statements about Nova Roman citizens who had
> serious concerns is not only a disservice to the
> Legio XXIV, it's a threat to the relationship that
> Legio XXIV enjoys with Nova Roma. He's insulted one
> of our Senators, and if that Senator happens to read
> the article he might well call for the revocation of
> Legio XXIV's recognition.
>
> Vale,
>
> --
> Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
>

Salve,

I congratulate you on your appointment. I look forward to working with you.

May the ballista never jam.

M. Bianchius Antonius

Marcus Minucius Audens wrote:

> I hereby appoint Gnaeus Equitius Marnus as:
>
> "Beneficarius and Cornicularius Primus, with the rank of Tribunus
> Militum Laticlavius Militarium. He is appointed with his Militarium
> Rank and Position a Roman Equestrian Knight."

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G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Traditio Classicorum: The Fortuna of the Classical
Authors to the Year 1650":

http://www.theol.uni-freiburg.de/forsch/lohr/lohr-ch4.htm

This site, created by Dr. Charles Lohr, is an extensive bibliography
on the transmission of the texts of classical authors into the early
modern period. The site is also available in German.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salve,

Well, I do happen to have a deck of them. That is why I am asking I have
received them as a gift and am curious on how to play. Do you know how?

BENE.VALE.
I.MANERE.IN.AMORA.DI.ROMA.
ET.FORTIS.IN.FIDE.
GNAEVS.SCRIBONIVS.SCRIPTOR.
DI.LEGIO.XXIV.MA.ET.NOVA.ROMA.


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Salve Marce Bianchi, et salvete omnes,

Marcus Bianchius Antonius wrote:
[addressing me]

> I congratulate you on your appointment. I look forward to working with you.
>
> May the ballista never jam.

And may the triarii always hold.

*grin*

Valete!

--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus

Salve G. Iuli Scaure,

I have to credit some of my life long interest in history to Harold
Lamb. You and I are close in age so I am sure you know of this author
who wrote from the 30's to the late 50's. I was wondering if his
books that seemed to be colorfully written like a novel actually have
any good credibility as far as historians on your level are
concerned? I believe many of his books from Hannibal to Seuliman the
Magificent are due to go to reprint in the near future. I am thinking
of reccomended them to younger readers since I thought they could at
least be a spring board for developing further future interests. Do
you agree or think his books are out to lunch? Also I would
appreciate your comments on Daniel P. Mannix who wrote, Those Of Us
About To Die and the Hell-Fire Club if you know his books.


Thank You,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Salvete, omnes -

On Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 12:44:54AM -0000, Gnaeus Salix Astur wrote:
> Salvete Quirites; et salve, Cn. Scriboni.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Scriboni89@a... wrote:
> > Note: This is for any Italian Nova Romans. Sorry if it is off
> > topic. I just need an answer.
> >
> > Salve Amici,
> >
> > Io ho una domanda per un italiano/a. Che e Scopa e Briscola?
> > Loro come gioco? Grazie.
>
> Yes; scopa and briscola are two Italian card games.
> Bear in mind that they are played with an Italian deck of cards,
> which is different from the American one. You can also use a Spanish
> deck, which is more or less the same as an Italian one.
>
> By the way, scopa and briscola are also played in Spain; the only
> difference is that their names are respectively escoba and brisca
> :-).

Way back when, I ran across a version of Briscola - which I'd never
heard of until then - and had lots of fun playing it. A quick Google
search shows it as still being available; I've just downloaded a copy
(it's 53k total, with pretty graphics) and it's exactly as I remember
it. I can't vouch for its faithfulness to the original game, but it's
lots of fun and easy to play. Since it's written in Tcl/Tk, it will run
on Unix, Wind0ws, or Macs (once Tcl/Tk is installed.)

<http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/games/multiplayer/cards/briscola-4.1.tar.gz>

<http://www.tcl.tk/>


Valete,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Non omne quod licet honestum est.
Not everything that is permitted is honest.
-- Corpus Iuris Civilis: Digesta

L. Arminius Faustus omnia quiritibus plus salutat

It is a pleasure for me announce my absentia on this end of the year and ianuary. Father Ianus brings Pax on the hand... I will have my much desired vacations... I hope coming sometimes to these lists to take a look, but I hope be on some desert beach enjoying the hottest summer of South Hemifere. (at least, what Metereology said)...


May the Gods bless our Res Publica next year.

_________________________________________________

É um prazer anunciar minha ausência neste fim de ano e em janeiro. Pai Jano traz a a Paz pelas mãos... terei minhas muito desejadas férias... Espero voltar as vezes para estas listas para dar uma olhada, mas espero estar em alguma praia deserta curtindo o verão mais quente do Hemisfério Sul. (ao menos, o que disse a Metereologia)

Possam os Deuses abençoar nossa República próximo ano.



Vale bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus



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Si amico, ciao',
Vuoi giocare?
si puo trovare le instructione qui
http://www.pagat.com/aceten/briscola.html
per buscolo e' qui http://www.pagat.com/fishing/scopone.html
per scopa e scopone.
Divertiti,
Justinian

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Scriboni89@a... wrote:
> Note: This is for any Italian Nova Romans. Sorry if it is off
topic. I just
> need an answer.
>
> Salve Amici,
>
> Io ho una domanda per un italiano/a. Che e Scopa e Briscola?
Loro come
> gioco? Grazie.
>
> BENE.VALE.
> I.MANERE.IN.AMORA.DI.ROMA.
> ET.FORTIS.IN.FIDE.
> GNAEVS.SCRIBONIVS.SCRIPTOR.
> DI.LEGIO.XXIV.MA.ET.NOVA.ROMA.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve,

Where can I find an authentic roman tunic and toga? Can the tunic be claf or ankle length for a civilian citizen?

Thanks,

Quintus Bianchius Rufinus

Edictum Praetorium Americum Mediatlanticum V Praetoris Equiti Marini:
Appointment of Provincial Procurator

Gn. Equitius Marinus Praetoris Quiritibus salutem plurimam dixit:

Servius Fidelius Longinus is hereby appointed Procurator (financial
officer) for Mediatlantica Provincia.

Given under my hand in America Mediatlantica Provincia, ante diem
X Kal. Ianuarias MMDCCLVI, this year of the consulship of
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus.

(23 Dec 2003 C.E.)

--
ex officio
Gn. Equitius Marinus
Propraetor America Mediatlantica Provincia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, FrBryanReif@a... wrote:

> Salve,
>
> Where can I find an authentic roman tunic and toga? Can the tunic

be claf or ankle length for a civilian citizen?

>
> Thanks,
>
> Quintus Bianchius Rufinus

Salve,

Try this:

http://www.lawrensnest.com/

Be sure to identify yourself as a NR cive.

Vale,
Gaius Popillius Laenas

Salve,

Does anyone know anything about the Piceni tribe in Ancient Italy on the
Adriatic Coast?




BENE.VALE.
I.MANERE.IN.AMORA.DI.ROMA.
ET.FORTIS.IN.FIDE.
GNAEVS.SCRIBONIVS.SCRIPTOR.
DI.NOVA.ROMA.ET.LEGIO.XXIV.MA.
ET.LVDVS.MAGNVS.GLADIATORE.


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Scriboni89@... wrote:

>
> Salve,
>
> Does anyone know anything about the Piceni tribe in Ancient Italy on the
> Adriatic Coast?

Here's the little bit that Britannica has to say about them:

"Early Iron Age inhabitants of the Adriatic coast of Italy from Rimini
to the Sangro River. Men and women dressed in wool; men wore armour,
weapons, and ornaments of bronze or iron; women had numerous fibulae,
torques, bracelets, girdles, and ornamental pendants. They had two main
centres, one at Novilara in the north, and another around Belmonte and
Fermo farther south. The Piceni traded with the Greeks as early as the
7th century BC, but there is little evidence of trade with Etruria,
except at the inland site of Fabriano. The evidence suggests that Piceni
were warlike, with little artistic ability of their own, but wealthy
enough to sustain a flourishing trade. In 268 BC their territory was
annexed by Rome."

See http://www.britannica.com:80/eb/article?eu=61418

-- Marinus

Salvete Quirites; et salve,

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Scriboni89@a... wrote:
> Salve,
>
> Well, I do happen to have a deck of them. That is why I am
> asking I have received them as a gift and am curious on how to
> play. Do you know how?

http://www.pagat.com/aceten/briscola.html
http://www.pagat.com/fishing/scopone.html

Google + 10 seconds :-).

S.V.B.E.E.V.
CN.SALIX.T.F.A.NEP.OVF.ASTVR

G. Iulius Scaurus Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

The Larentalia is the parentatio festival of Acca Larentia. According
to Varro (de Ling. Lat. vi.23; cf. Festus, s.v. Larentalia), the
Flamen Quirinalis led the Pontifices to the Velabrum near the Via
Nova, where the tomb of Acca Larentia was located. A sacrifice was
performed and the epulum feast associated with the parentalia of the
Manes was observed by the priests.

Acording to Livy (i.4), Acca Larentia was the wife of Faustulus who
became the nurse-mother of the foundling Romulus and Remus and for her
selfless service to the founder of Rome was regarded as the Dea
Tacita, the Silent Goddess, who stood highest among the Di Manes.
This tradition is confirmed by Ovid (Fasti iii.57). Another
tradition, cited by Livy (i.4.7) as doubtful, but reported also in
Macrobius (Saturnalia i.10; Plutarch, Romulus 4,5 and Quaest. Rom. 35,
as well as Aulus Gellius vi.7 report a similar tradition), regarded
Acca Larentia as a prostitute ("lupa," also the Latin word for a
she-wolf) and mistress of Hercules who later married a man of great
wealth; she is said to have left that wealth to the Roman people.
Masurius Sabinus in his Memoralia reports historical traditions which
regard Acca Larentia as Romulus nurse-mother and report that on the
death of one of her twelve sons, Romulus volunteered to join them,
forming the Arval Brotherhood.

The following parentatio for Acca Larentia was performed today by the
Flamen Quirinalis.

Since Acca Larentia is numbered among the Di Inferni, I prepared for
the ritual by digging a ditch in my yard where I built a focus for her
offerings. Beside it I erected an altar to the Di Consentes et
Indignites whom I would call upon to witness the offerings of the
Larentalia. I bathed in preparation, then, garbed in toga praetexta,
cinctu Gabino, capite velato, I began the praefatio.

Praefatio

"Iane pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novae Romae [Father Ianus,
by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you may
be propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma." I placed
incense in the focus of the altar.

"Iuppiter, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novae Romae [Iuppiter, by offering
this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you may be propitious
to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma." I placed incense in
the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novae Romae [Father Mars,
by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you may
be propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma.]" I
placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Quirine pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novae Romae [Father
Quirinus, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that
you may be propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma.]"
I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Ianus, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation from the
patera on the focus of the altar.

"Iuppiter, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Iuppiter, as by offering to
you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation from the
patera on the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Mars, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation from the
patera on the focus of the altar.

"Quirine pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Quirinus, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the
sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation
from the patera on the focus of the altar.

I washed my hands in preparation for the praecatio.

Precatio

"Acca Larentia, nutrix Romuli Remique, benefactrix gentis Romanae,
tibi sacram memoriam et gratias pias debemus, mater populi Romani;
tibi fieri oportet in hoc loco memoriae sacrae culignam vini dapi,
eius rei ergo macte hac illace dape pollucenda esto [Acca Larentia,
nurse-mother of Romulus and Remus, benefactor of the Roman race, to
you we owe sacred memory and devout thanks, mother of the Roman
people; it is proper for a cup of wine to be given to you in this
place of sacred memory for the sacred feast, for the sake of this
thing may you be honoured by this feast offering.]" I poured a
libation from the patera on the focus in the ditch.

Again I washed my hands in preparation for the redditio.

Redditio

"Tantae nutrix Acca Larentia gentis, Dea Tacita, macte istace dape
pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio esto [Larentia, foster-mother of
such a race, Silent Goddess, may you be honoured by this feast
offering, may you be honoured by the humble wine.]" I offered Acca
Larentia cakes, cheese, and wine on the focus in the ditch.

"Quirine pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Quirinus, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the
sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation
from the patera on the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Mars, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation from the
patera on the focus of the altar.

"Iuppiter, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Iuppiter, as by offering to
you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation from the
patera on the focus of the altar.

"Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Ianus, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation from the
patera on the focus of the altar.

"Dea Vesta, custos ignis sacri, macte vino inferio esto [Goddess
Vesta, guardian of the sacred fire, be honoured by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation from the patera on the focus of the altar.

"Illicet. [It is over.]"

I profaned wine, cakes, and cheese, and reclining on a pallet,
beneeath a fur blanket, beside the ditch I partook of the epulum with
Acca Larentia, praying as I ate and offering libations in my private
devotions.

Piaculum

Since the ritus of the Larentalia has yet to be recovered from
literary or archaeological sources, the ritus I used was of my own
composition, based on similar rituals and the parentatio for the Di
Manes. Therefore, I concluded with a piaculum to Acca Larentia.

"Acca Larentia, Dea Nurtix, si quidquam tibi in hac Larentalia
displicet, hoc vino inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio [Acca
Larentia, Divine Foster-Mother, if anything in this Larentalia is
displeasing to you, with this humble wine I ask forgiveness and
expiate my fault.]" I poured a libation into the focus of the ditch.

In accordance with the mos maiorum I closed the ditch and filled it in.

Valete, Quirites.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex

G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to an annotated critical edition of Iuvenal's _Satires_:

http://www.curculio.org/Juvenal/index.html

This is a portion of Dr. Michael Hendry's site on critical editing of
Latin texts.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus

G. Iulius Scaurus Q. Lanio Paulino salutem dicit.

Salve, Q. Lani.

> I have to credit some of my life long interest in history to Harold
> Lamb. You and I are close in age so I am sure you know of this author
> who wrote from the 30's to the late 50's. I was wondering if his
> books that seemed to be colorfully written like a novel actually have
> any good credibility as far as historians on your level are
> concerned? I believe many of his books from Hannibal to Seuliman the
> Magificent are due to go to reprint in the near future. I am thinking
> of reccomended them to younger readers since I thought they could at
> least be a spring board for developing further future interests. Do
> you agree or think his books are out to lunch? Also I would
> appreciate your comments on Daniel P. Mannix who wrote, Those Of Us
> About To Die and the Hell-Fire Club if you know his books.

I'm sorry to disappoint, but I've not read these novels and have no
idea as to their authenticity.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salve Gai Iuli Scaure,

Thanks for answering anyway. Have a great holiday season and I'll be
looking foward to your input in the new year!


Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "g_iulius_scaurus" <gfr@w...> wrote:
> G. Iulius Scaurus Q. Lanio Paulino salutem dicit.
>
> Salve, Q. Lani.
>
> > I have to credit some of my life long interest in history to
Harold
> > Lamb. You and I are close in age so I am sure you know of this
author
> > who wrote from the 30's to the late 50's. I was wondering if his
> > books that seemed to be colorfully written like a novel actually
have
> > any good credibility as far as historians on your level are
> > concerned? I believe many of his books from Hannibal to Seuliman
the
> > Magificent are due to go to reprint in the near future. I am
thinking
> > of reccomended them to younger readers since I thought they could
at
> > least be a spring board for developing further future interests.
Do
> > you agree or think his books are out to lunch? Also I would
> > appreciate your comments on Daniel P. Mannix who wrote, Those Of
Us
> > About To Die and the Hell-Fire Club if you know his books.
>
> I'm sorry to disappoint, but I've not read these novels and have no
> idea as to their authenticity.
>
> Vale.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus

Salvete

Would one of the rogatores please contact me? I don't have access to my email
address list right now.

Valete
Fortunatus

Tribunus Plebis Diana Moravia Aventina Comitia Plebis Tributa SPD

Salvete,

As what is most likely my last official duty as Tribunus Plebis of 2756, I am happy to announce the
certified results of the election for the Plebeian magistrates of 2757.

Due to the small size of many Plebeian Tribes, the actual Tribe numbers won by each candidate will
not be published in order to protect voter confidentialty.

In the election for TRIBUNUS PLEBIS

Franciscus Apulus Caesar won 29 Tribes
Lucius Arminius Faustus won 27 Tribes
Julilla Sempronia Magna won 25 Tribes
Gaius Modius Athanasius: won 25 Tribes
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus: won 18 Tribes
Lucius Quintius Constantius: won 14 Tribes
Lucius Sicinius Drusus won 7 Tribes

The 5 Tribunes of 2757 will therefore be
Franciscus Apulus Caesar (Senior Tribune)
Lucius Arminius Faustus
Julilla Sempronia Magna
Gaius Modius Athanasius
Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


In the election for AEDILIS PLEBIS

Emilia Curia Finnica: 32 Tribes
Marcus Calidius Gracchus 28
Secundus Avisius Apollinarius 4 Tribes

The 2 Plebeian Aediles of 2757 will therefore be:

Emilia Curia Finnica
Marcus Calidius Gracchus

My congratulations to all of our winners and my thnaks to all of the non-winners who offered
themselves to serve our Republic!

My personal thanks to our team of Rogatores for all of their hard work!

Valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina
Senior Tribunus Plebis

G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to the "Virtual Legion":

http://www.clasondesign.com/v_legio/index.htm

Curt Clason's site provides an high technology introduction to the
Roman army. The graphics are superb.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Diana Moravia Aventina wrote:

> The 5 Tribunes of 2757 will therefore be
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar (Senior Tribune)
> Lucius Arminius Faustus
> Julilla Sempronia Magna
> Gaius Modius Athanasius
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

Congratulations to you all. Caeser, my dear colleague, it is
*so* good to see you attain this honor. And what a fine cohort
of colleagues! Faustus, you will be a Tribune to compare with
Marcus Livius Drusus of antiquity. Julilla... oh, I'm sure
the shade of Cornelia mother of the Gracchi looks down on
this tonight and rejoices to see the name Sempronia return
to the Tribunician bench. Gaius Modius Athanasius, staunch
defender of our virtues, it is good to see your name in this
list. And finally, Tiberius, my Quaestor, my right hand this
year, steps on to his next honor along the cursus honorum.

> The 2 Plebeian Aediles of 2757 will therefore be:
>
> Emilia Curia Finnica
> Marcus Calidius Gracchus

Congratulations to you both. Emilia Curia, I am particularly
pleased to see you entering the Collegium Aedilium. We have
worked together in the past, and I am sure you will bring great
honor to the Plebian Aediliship. Marcus Calidius, congratulations
and thank you for stepping forward to place yourself into the
service of Ceres.

Congratulations finally to all Plebian citizens who voted, and who
have given us such a fine set of magistrates for next year.

--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus

Salve Marinus

Thank you for you kind words. I hope we will be hearing other good election news soon.


Vale

Tiberius

----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Gawne
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2003 9:41 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Congratulations to the new Plebian Magistrates!


Diana Moravia Aventina wrote:

> The 5 Tribunes of 2757 will therefore be
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar (Senior Tribune)
> Lucius Arminius Faustus
> Julilla Sempronia Magna
> Gaius Modius Athanasius
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

Congratulations to you all. Caeser, my dear colleague, it is
*so* good to see you attain this honor. And what a fine cohort
of colleagues! Faustus, you will be a Tribune to compare with
Marcus Livius Drusus of antiquity. Julilla... oh, I'm sure
the shade of Cornelia mother of the Gracchi looks down on
this tonight and rejoices to see the name Sempronia return
to the Tribunician bench. Gaius Modius Athanasius, staunch
defender of our virtues, it is good to see your name in this
list. And finally, Tiberius, my Quaestor, my right hand this
year, steps on to his next honor along the cursus honorum.

> The 2 Plebeian Aediles of 2757 will therefore be:
>
> Emilia Curia Finnica
> Marcus Calidius Gracchus

Congratulations to you both. Emilia Curia, I am particularly
pleased to see you entering the Collegium Aedilium. We have
worked together in the past, and I am sure you will bring great
honor to the Plebian Aediliship. Marcus Calidius, congratulations
and thank you for stepping forward to place yourself into the
service of Ceres.

Congratulations finally to all Plebian citizens who voted, and who
have given us such a fine set of magistrates for next year.

--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus

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T Labienus Fortunatus Consul Quiritibus SPD

The rogatores have finished tallying the votes, and have reported the results
to me. Now, all that remains is for me to make those results public.

As I do so, you will note that the results are broken down into "first round",
"second round", and so on. This is due to the method specified in the Leges
Fabiae for counting votes. In a nutshell, this method runs through the votes
cast over and over so long as the position(s) in contest are not filled. With
each new run ("round"), the candidate with the lowest votes is eliminated, and
votes for any candidate which has already been elected are ignored.

And now, without further ado, here are the results.

In the Comitia Centuriata:

CENSOR

In the first round, 49 Centuries cast ballots; 26 were required for election:

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus: 25 Centuries
Quintus Fabius Maximus: 24 Centuries

No one was elected in the first round. According to the Lex Fabia de Ratione
Comitiorum Centuriatorum, Quintus Fabius Maximus is eliminated as having fewer
centuries.

In the second round, 39 Centuries cast ballots; 19 were required for election:

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus: 39 Centuries and is therefore duly elected.

CONSUL

In the first round, 49 Centuries cast ballots; 26 were required for election:

Gnaeus Salix Astur: 28 Centuries
Diana Moravia Aventina: 16 Centuries
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus: 5 Centuries

Gnaeus Salix Astur is duly elected as the senior consul in the first round.

In the second round, 49 Centuries cast ballots; 26 were required for election:

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus: 25 Centuries
Diana Moravia Aventina: 24 Centuries

No one was elected in the second round. According to the Lex Fabia de Ratione
Comitiorum Centuriatorum, Diana Moravia Aventina is eliminated as having fewer
centuries.

In the third round, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus is elected Jr. Consul with 43
centuries casting ballots; 22 were required for election.

PRAETOR

In the first round, 49 Centuries cast ballots; 26 were required for election:

Marcus Arminius Maior: 38 Centuries (Elected)
Gnaeus Octavius Noricus: 6 Centuries
Decimus Iunius Silanus: 5 Centuries

In the second round, 45 Centuries cast ballots; 25 were required for election:

Gnaeus Octavius Noricus: 28 Centuries (Elected)
Decimus Iunius Silanus:: 17 Centuries

Lex Labiena de Iure Civium: Yes: 45 No: 3 Abstain: 1

Lex Labiena de Gentibus: Yes: 39 No: 10

Lex Fabia Labiena de Iure Augurum: Yes: 43 No: 5 Abstain: 1

Lex Labiena de Obnuntiatione: Yes: 46 No: 2 Abstain: 1

As they are constitutional amendments, all of the leges mentioned above now
require the approval of 2/3rds of the senate in order to become law.

In the Comitia Populi Tributa

QUAESTOR

Caius Curius Saturninus 34 tribes (Elected)
Marcus Bianchius Antonius 34 Tribes (Elected)
Gaia Fabia Livia: 33 Tribes (Elected)
Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia 33 Tribes (Elected)
Livia Cornelia Hibernia: 33 Tribes (Elected)
Caius Iulius Marius: 33 Tribes (Elected)
Servius Labienus Cicero: 33 Tribes (Elected)
Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa: 32 Tribes (Elected)

AEDILIS CURULIS
Marcus Iulius Perusianus: 35 Tribes (Elected)
Gaius Iulius Scaurus: 35 Tribes (Elected)

Gaius Iulius Scaurus is the senior aedilis, chosen by lot.

ROGATOR

Aulus Apollonius Cordus: 35 Tribes (Elected, Sr. Rogator)
Gaius Minucius Hadrianus 34 Tribes (Elected)
Flavius Galerius Aurelianus Secundus: 33 Tribes (Elected)

CURATOR ARANEUM

Marcus Octavius Germanicus 35 Tribes (Elected)

CURATOR DIFFERIUM

Marcus Minucius Audens 34 Tribes (Elected)

Lex Labiena de Nominibus Mutandis: Yes: 31 Tribes No: 4 Tribes

I must admit that I'm very surprised that this lex passed, considering that D
Iunius rightly pointed out (after voting had begun, unfortuantely) that it is
flawed to the point of uselessness. I would ask the tribuni plebis to veto its
passage, but there is no real legal ground on which to do so. However, as it
is obvious that the intent of this lex is congruent with the will of the
populace, I will be working with next years' consules to have it replaced with
a lex that actually does what this one was intended to do.

Finally, congratulations to the winners and thank you to everyone who ran.
This was a very close election peopled with excellent candidates. I wish
everyone the best of fortune in their new jobs next year. May the Gods guide
you, and may Nova Roma prosper under your guidance.

Valete

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Diana Moravia Aventina"
<diana@p...> wrote:

> [...snipped...]
> The 5 Tribunes of 2757 will therefore be
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar (Senior Tribune)
> Lucius Arminius Faustus
> Julilla Sempronia Magna
> Gaius Modius Athanasius
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

My most sincere congratulations to the new Tribune Plebis for
MMDCCLVII A.V.C. I am certain that they will all prove to be
great assets to our Res Publica. The out-going tribunes, in
particular Diana Moravia Aventina have set the bar very high,
but I am certain that these fine Citizens are up to the
challenge. Again, Congratulations!

>
> [...snipped...]
> The 2 Plebeian Aediles of 2757 will therefore be:
>
> Emilia Curia Finnica
> Marcus Calidius Gracchus
> [...snipped...]

Also, my heartfelt congratualtions to the new Plebeian Aediles
for next year. The games of MMDCCLVI A.V.C. were exciting, even
if the Ludi Circenses were frequently marked by some excesses of
factional trickery. There is a high mark to reach, but I am confident
that these outstanding Citizens are more than up to the task.
Once again, Congratulations!

Valete
Livia Cornelia Hibernia

-----Original Message-----
From: Scriboni89@...
Sent: Nov 22, 2003 4:57 AM
To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] (no subject)


Salve,

ÊÊÊ I was reading on one of the e-mails and I recall someone saying that the
program that distributes the voter codes passes over minors. Is that true.
Also if I don't get a voter code would I still get a century and tribe?

BENE.VALE.
I.MANERE.IN.AMORA.DI.ROMA.
ET.FORTIS.IN.FIDE.
GNAEVS.SCRIBONIVS.SCRIPTOR.
DI.LEGIO.XXIV.MA.ET.NOVA.ROMA.

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Salve Troiane,

> I was reading on one of the e-mails and I recall someone saying that the
> program that distributes the voter codes passes over minors. Is that true.

Yes, this is true.

> Also if I don't get a voter code would I still get a century and tribe?

Technically, yes. Practically, no. You would be assigned, as I am, to Tribe 0, and Century 0, both of which do not vote.

I hope this answers you satisfactorily. If not, please e-mail me privately (princeps_senator@...), and I'll certainly try to get you a better answer. In fact, if you have any questions on anything, I try to keep my e-mail open for incoming mail.

Vale,

Sp. Postumius Tubertus

Civis Privatus

>Tribunus Plebis Diana Moravia Aventina Comitia Plebis Tributa SPD

> Salvete,

> As what is most likely my last official duty as Tribunus Plebis of 2756, I

am
happy to announce the certified results of the election for the Plebeian
magistrates of 2757.

> In the election for TRIBUNUS PLEBIS


> The 5 Tribunes of 2757 will therefore be
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar (Senior Tribune)
> Lucius Arminius Faustus
> Julilla Sempronia Magna
> Gaius Modius Athanasius
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

Ecastor! What an honour to be elected to serve with such fine tribunes! I
look forward to working with you all in service to our fellow Plebeians and
to the continued growth of Nova Roma.

> In the election for AEDILIS PLEBIS

> The 2 Plebeian Aediles of 2757 will therefore be:

> Emilia Curia Finnica
> Marcus Calidius Gracchus

Felicitatio to you both! You'll do the office proud!

---
multas gratias to all who voted,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
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@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
|||| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Factio Praesina
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factiopraesina/


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Salvete omnes

It is a pleasure to know you have been elected to represent the plebs and to serve the Res Publica next year.
I wish you all the best, Apulus Caesar, Arminius Faustus, Sempronia Magna, Modius Athanasius, Galerius Paulinus, Curia Finnica and Calidius Gracchus. I know you'll go more than a step forward. Best of lucks, and my collaboration for those items you would require from me. :-)


vale bene in pace deorum,

L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
TRIBVNVS·PLEBIS

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Salvete omnes

I must congratulate the new magistrates elected. Fabius Quintilianus will do a great job, I'm sure. On the other hand, Salix Astur and Equitius Marinus are to lead us into a rising of the Res Publica, and therefore I applaud them for that. Praetors and Quaestors will do an excelent job, and on the Curule chair, the Aedilis will have a lot of job entertaining us and providing with funny games, which is out of doubt they'll be great. On the other hand, my congratulations for the rest of the elected citizens and a call for those not elected; although you don't have an official post, you can help as all the citizenry those who are in the chairs, and therefore I hope you'll work for them as any other. Only one can be named the winner; the Res Publica. :-)


vale bene in pace deorum,

L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
TRIBVNVS·PLEBIS


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Salvete omnes cives.


I want to congratulate to our new elected Magistrates. May the Gods and
the Goddesses of Rome guide you in your work!

And to all the citizens, I wish them a happy Dies Natalis Solis
Invictii. May Apollo, Mithras and Sol Indiges shine upon you!


Dii vos bene ament,

H·RVTILIVS·IOS·FIL·RVD·NEP·CLVST·TRIB·BARDVLVS
CIVIS·PRIVATVS


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5 > 16

To Gnaeus Equitius Marinus for being SELECTED Consul in a Landslide that
dwarfs the one President Bush won in 2000.

L. Sicinius Drusus

Salvete omnes, et tu, Sicinius Drusus

It would be a pity to start attacking right from the very beggining,
even before any magistrate makes her/his oath.

I would ask you, Sicinius Drusus, to respect those who have been
LEGALLY elected as magistrates of our Res Publica. If you are not
agree with the system, do not "dwarf" those elected with it, and try
to build, not to split, debating what would be your proposals.

As I said before, those who have been not elected can do a lot. But
attacking in such way them is not within the ethics of a Roman nor
the path to improve. Many times I see arguments "Ad Hominem" and not
about the subject itself. I ask all the citizens, and specially you,
Sicinius Drusus, to respect and to build with those elected. Nova
Roma is to win, not individuals.


vale bene,

L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus" <drusus@b...>
wrote:

> To Gnaeus Equitius Marinus for being SELECTED Consul in a

Landslide that

> dwarfs the one President Bush won in 2000.
>
> L. Sicinius Drusus

SALVETE CIVES

I want to make my personal congratulations to all the Cives for next
year offices: we now have a strong Res Publica, we will have the
strongest one in the future.
I have to say that all my preferences were confirmed, too. This is a
great pleasure, for me!

In particular, I want to give all the honours to:

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Censor

Gnaeus Salix Astur Senior Consul

Marcus Iulius Perusianus Aedilis Curulis

Franciscus Apulus Caesar Senior Tribunus


Best wishes to all these men.

L IUL SULLA
Civis Romanus
Italia

As propraetor of Hispania, it is a honor for me to know that a
hispanic is new consul of Nova Roma.
Congratulations to Salix Astur and to the rest of new magistrates.
This year will be a great one!

Salix Galaicus, propraetor Hispaniae

> 5 > 16

Not at all. If you read the lex, and perhaps work out a simulation
or two, you might realize that a second-place finish in a large number
of centuries is better than a first-place finish in a smaller number
of centuries - and that's what happened.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus.
http://www.graveyards.com/
Anything worth doing is worth doing to excess;
moderation is for monks. - Heinlein

You may be in luck.

A vote counting scam that selects a candidate who carrys 5 Centuries
over a Candiadte that carries 16 Centuries is causing me to question
retaining membership in this organization. You just might be able to
turn this organization into the total joke of a "Modern 28th Century
Micronation" that has little or nothing to do with Roma, without hearing
another word from me.

Drusus


L. Didius Geminus Sceptius wrote:

> Salvete omnes, et tu, Sicinius Drusus
>
> It would be a pity to start attacking right from the very beggining,
> even before any magistrate makes her/his oath.
>
> I would ask you, Sicinius Drusus, to respect those who have been
> LEGALLY elected as magistrates of our Res Publica. If you are not
> agree with the system, do not "dwarf" those elected with it, and try
> to build, not to split, debating what would be your proposals.
>
> As I said before, those who have been not elected can do a lot. But
> attacking in such way them is not within the ethics of a Roman nor
> the path to improve. Many times I see arguments "Ad Hominem" and not
> about the subject itself. I ask all the citizens, and specially you,
> Sicinius Drusus, to respect and to build with those elected. Nova
> Roma is to win, not individuals.
>
>
> vale bene,
>
> L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus" <drusus@b...>
> wrote:
> > To Gnaeus Equitius Marinus for being SELECTED Consul in a
> Landslide that
> > dwarfs the one President Bush won in 2000.
> >
> > L. Sicinius Drusus
>
>
>
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> You may be in luck.
>
> A vote counting scam that selects a candidate who carrys 5 Centuries
> over a Candiadte that carries 16 Centuries is causing me to question
> retaining membership in this organization.

If I recall correctly, you *supported* the change in the vote-counting
law, while I voted against it (considering it too complicated to be
practical).


--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus.
http://www.graveyards.com/
Anything worth doing is worth doing to excess;
moderation is for monks. - Heinlein

I Stated that the law was an improvement due to the more historic method
of voting but was still flawed by the inane vote counting method. I had
hoped it could be corrected before it caused problems. That was wishful
thinking.

You have your modern micronation. Enjoy it.

Drusus

Marcus Octavius Germanicus wrote:

>
>
> > You may be in luck.
> >
> > A vote counting scam that selects a candidate who carrys 5 Centuries
> > over a Candiadte that carries 16 Centuries is causing me to question
> > retaining membership in this organization.
>
> If I recall correctly, you *supported* the change in the vote-counting
> law, while I voted against it (considering it too complicated to be
> practical).
>
>
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus" <drusus@b...>
wrote:

> You may be in luck.
>
> A vote counting scam that selects a candidate who carrys 5 Centuries
> over a Candiadte that carries 16 Centuries is causing me to question
> retaining membership in this organization. You just might be able to
> turn this organization into the total joke of a "Modern 28th Century
> Micronation" that has little or nothing to do with Roma, without

hearing

> another word from me.
>
> Drusus

Salve,

It's obvious that you do not understand what happened nor the law that
you vocally supported for passage. Allow me to illustrate with an
example:

1st Round
Century 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17
1st Place A B A C A A A B A A A B B C A A A
2nd Place C A C B B C C A C C B A A B C C B
3rd Place B C B A C B B C B B C C C A B B C

9 Centuries are required to win:
Candidate A has 11 centuries and is elected.
Candidate B has 4 Centuries
Candidate C has 2 Centuries

For the 2nd round candidate A's votes are removed and the candidates
ranked behind candidate A "move up" in rank.

2nd Round
Century 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17
1st Place B C B B B C
2nd Place C C B B C C C C B B C C B
3rd Place B C B C B B C B B C C C B B C

Candidate C has 10 centuries and is elected
Candidate B has 7 centuries.

That is what happened. If Salix had not received enough Centuries to
be elected on the first round then Marinus would have been dropped and
the candidates behind Marinus would have move up.

You don't know the number of hours that we Rogators spent going over
every ballot with a fine tooth comb and emailing eachother to double
and triple check everything. We went right down to the deadline of
providing results to Consul Labinius and Tribuna Moravia. As a result
of our hard work you come along and start screaming SCAM! Anyone else
besides me sense the taste sour grapes?

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

bouncing test sorry

quintuscassiuscalvus wrote:

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus" <drusus@b...>
> wrote:
> > You may be in luck.
> >
> > A vote counting scam that selects a candidate who carrys 5 Centuries
> > over a Candiadte that carries 16 Centuries is causing me to question
> > retaining membership in this organization. You just might be able to
> > turn this organization into the total joke of a "Modern 28th Century
> > Micronation" that has little or nothing to do with Roma, without
> hearing
> > another word from me.
> >
> > Drusus
>
> Salve,
>
> It's obvious that you do not understand what happened nor the law that
> you vocally supported for passage. Allow me to illustrate with an
> example:

I Suported the lex as having more good than bad because of the more
historic voting procedure.

I clearly stated that the vote counting procedure was flawed and stated
my hope that a future law would correct that flaw.

Before we started messing with the laws two years ago we had a system
that didn't produce runoffs or third place candidates "winning".
That was pure and simple, the two candidates recieving the largest
number of Centuries were elected.

Drusus

Salvete Quirites! Et salve Scepti,

L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS wrote:

> I must congratulate the new magistrates elected.

Thank you. And I join you in congratulating all newly elected
magistrates, and in thanking the rogatores for their dedication
and hard work.

> Fabius Quintilianus will do a great job, I'm sure.

As am I. He and Octavius Germanicus will make a great team
this coming year.

> On the other hand, Salix Astur and Equitius Marinus are to
> lead us into a rising of the Res Publica, and therefore I
> applaud them for that.

Thank you for that applause. I join you in recognizing the
promise of next year. Gnaeus Salix Astur is one of my oldest
friends in Nova Roma. He will be a fine, effective leader for
us all. I can not imagine a better colleague. It will be my
great privilege to serve alongside him.

> Praetors and Quaestors will do an excelent job,

Indeed. I'm delighted with Marcus Arminius Maior's impressive
showing, and very pleased to see Gnaeus Octavius Noricus gain
the curule chair and the laticlavial stripe.

> and on the Curule chair, the Aedilis will have a lot of
> job entertaining us and providing with funny games,

I'm confident that Gaius Iulius Scaurus will provide us with
Ludi Romani unlike anything we've ever seen before. I also
look forward to Marcus Iulius Perusianus inventions for his
Ludi. But more importantly, I'm pleased to see these two fine
men taking up the quieter duties of the Curule Aediles. They
will both be good at mediating market misunderstandings should
any arise. As the longest serving Curule Aedile in Nova Roma's
history, I'm pleased to see that I will leave the Collegium
Aedilicum in good, capable hands. Gens Iulia will be proud.

> On the other hand, my congratulations for the rest of the
> elected citizens and a call for those not elected; although
> you don't have an official post, you can help as all the
> citizenry those who are in the chairs, and therefore I hope
> you'll work for them as any other. Only one can be named the
> winner; the Res Publica. :-)

Indeed. We are all in this together, and we all have something
to contribute. That is the way of the Roman Republic. That is
our way ahead.

> vale bene in pace deorum,

Yes. May the peace of the gods be here with us this day, and
all days, giving us the means to make our Republic ever stronger,
ever brighter a beacon to the rest of the world.

On this festival day of Sol Invictus, and in all the days of the
year to come, may the peace of the gods -- the pace deorum -- be
our peace.

--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus

Salve, Quintus Cassius Calvus; salvete, omnes.

On Thu, Dec 25, 2003 at 02:20:05PM -0000, quintuscassiuscalvus wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus" <drusus@b...>
> wrote:
> > You may be in luck.
> >
> > A vote counting scam that selects a candidate who carrys 5 Centuries
> > over a Candiadte that carries 16 Centuries is causing me to question
> > retaining membership in this organization. You just might be able to
> > turn this organization into the total joke of a "Modern 28th Century
> > Micronation" that has little or nothing to do with Roma, without
> hearing
> > another word from me.
> >
> > Drusus
>
> Salve,
>
> It's obvious that you do not understand what happened nor the law that
> you vocally supported for passage. Allow me to illustrate with an
> example:
>
> 1st Round
> Century 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17
> 1st Place A B A C A A A B A A A B B C A A A
> 2nd Place C A C B B C C A C C B A A B C C B
> 3rd Place B C B A C B B C B B C C C A B B C
>
> 9 Centuries are required to win:
> Candidate A has 11 centuries and is elected.
> Candidate B has 4 Centuries
> Candidate C has 2 Centuries
>
> For the 2nd round candidate A's votes are removed and the candidates
> ranked behind candidate A "move up" in rank.
>
> 2nd Round
> Century 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17
> 1st Place B C B B B C
> 2nd Place C C B B C C C C B B C C B
> 3rd Place B C B C B B C B B C C C B B C
>
> Candidate C has 10 centuries and is elected
> Candidate B has 7 centuries.
>
> That is what happened. If Salix had not received enough Centuries to
> be elected on the first round then Marinus would have been dropped and
> the candidates behind Marinus would have move up.
>
> You don't know the number of hours that we Rogators spent going over
> every ballot with a fine tooth comb and emailing eachother to double
> and triple check everything. We went right down to the deadline of
> providing results to Consul Labinius and Tribuna Moravia. As a result
> of our hard work you come along and start screaming SCAM! Anyone else
> besides me sense the taste sour grapes?

I suspect an unwillingness - I won't say "inability" - to understand,
although sour grapes and being a poor loser may well be factors. After
all, it's much easier to cry "scam", even if you voted for the law, than
to try and wade through confusing things like numbers... especially
since the complainant _and_ his political party lost out so badly as a
result of accurately reflecting the will of the people in Nova Roma.

As to the effort put forth by the Rogators, all of you have my most
sincere appreciation and thanks; I am well aware that this method of
calculation calls for more work on your part in exchange for greater
accuracy in representation. In my opinion, this reflects all the greater
credit on your work, and increases your contribution to Nova Roma.

Incidentally, feel free to contact me off-list if you'd like a software
"helper" for calculating the above type of tables (although I realize
that calculation is probably one of the easiest parts, I can't think of
anything that would help tabulation or any other parts of the process.)


Valete,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Saepe creat molles aspera spina rosas.
Often the prickly thorn produces tender roses.
-- Ovid

Hadrianus Rutilius Bardulus wrote:

> I want to congratulate to our new elected Magistrates. May the Gods and
> the Goddesses of Rome guide you in your work!

Thank you Bardule. May the Di Immortales hear your prayer, and
grant all of us guidance in the new year. May it be a year in
which the Virtues shine forth among us all, and on which we will
look back with pride.

--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus

Salvete all,

Congratualations and the best of luck to our new Consules!

I have not been defeated. I have won. My Goddess has chosen to keep me specifically for herself and
that makes the Consulship a poor consolation prize!

I made an offering to Venus Erucina last weekend asking her to guide the hands of the voters (and
the lots) to choose Marinus if she wished to keep me for herself and to focus on building her
worship as Sacerdos Venus. I am not speaking of a 'virtual' offering in a 'virtual' Temple either. I
have a separate room on the top floor of my house which is Venus's Temple. It is used for nothing
else and unbelievers are not allowed in it. I also made an offering to Venus Victrix and without
explanation, one of the candles popped in a very loud way. I understood this to mean that Venus
would have me lose so that I could focus on the Religio this year, which has always been my first
love.

After interaction with citizens such as Cordus, Marinus and Titus Octavius, my eyes have been opened
quite a bit. It has also been implied or directly said that I did not have the appropiate
'character' to be a Consul. I believe that all of those who said that were non-religio people. In
ancient times Venus was honored as a Goddess of love and laughter-- she never had to apologize for
being that way--and as her Priestess I will not. If one needs to present a facade of a sparkless
personality in order to be Consul of this virtual nation then as I say 'good riddance'. The ancient
Romans -my genetic ancestors- were not stuffy which just proves to me how far Nova Roma has to go
before we learn what being a real Roman really is.

My Oath as a Priestess of Venus is one that transcends Nova Roma and is a part of who I am. I am
happy that this year that my time next year will be spent on spiritual matters rather than on
citizens who make virtual Oaths and virtual offerings to our Gods because it is *required* of them
in order to hold office.

Last but not at all least, my thanks to my dear friend Decius Iunius Palladius for all of the hours
that he spent talking with me as only close friends do. I thank our Gods that I met him nearly 5
years ago in NR and that our friendhsip has grown far beyond the borders of this micronation.

I can list about 20 other citizens to thank, but this email has been long enough. They know who they
are and may the Gods continue to bless them!

Valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina
Sacerdos Venus et Tribunus Plebis

L. Sicinius Drusus wrote:

> To Gnaeus Equitius Marinus

Thank you Druse. May the blessings of this festival of
Sol Invictus be with you and yours.

--
Gn. Equitius Marinus

Salve, T. Labienus Fortunatus Consul; salvete, omnes -

On Wed, Dec 24, 2003 at 11:15:05PM -0600, labienus@... wrote:
> T Labienus Fortunatus Consul Quiritibus SPD
>
> The rogatores have finished tallying the votes, and have reported the results
> to me. Now, all that remains is for me to make those results public.

[ snip ]

My congratulations to all the winners - and to Nova Roma as a whole. We
have elected our "best and brightest", a group of people who are, in my
opinion, the best choices for their respective work and for the job of
promoting the growth of Nova Roma. May the Gods look with favor upon
their endeavors and our future.


Valete,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Quam bene vivas refert, non quam diu.
The important thing isn't how long you live, but how well you live.
-- Seneca Philosophus, "Epistulae"

Caius Minucius Scaevola wrote:

>
> I suspect an unwillingness - I won't say "inability" - to understand,
> although sour grapes and being a poor loser may well be factors.

Wrong answer.

It's as simple as having no intrest in wasting my time on an
organization that is showing less and less intrest in Roma to persue
being a "modern nation". I'm allready a citizen of a modern nation who's
government is loosely based on that of Roma. It's called the United
States of America. A Second one is redundant.

Drusus

Salvete Quirites, et salve Diana,

Diana Moravia Aventina wrote:

> I made an offering to Venus Erucina last weekend asking her
> to guide the hands of the voters (and the lots) to choose Marinus
> if she wished to keep me for herself and to focus on building her
> worship as Sacerdos Venus.

Thank you Diana, and thanks also to Venus for her guidance in this.
It is, it would seem, a very good day for her. She has two Iulii
chosen as next year's Aedilis Curalis, she has helped me to attain
the Consulship, and she has you, her chosen one.

Ave Venus, mother of the Iulii. Thank you for your gifts to us all.

Valete,

--
Gn. Equitius Marinus

Caius Minucius Scaevola wrote:

> My congratulations to all the winners - and to Nova Roma as a whole. We
> have elected our "best and brightest", a group of people who are, in my
> opinion, the best choices for their respective work and for the job of
> promoting the growth of Nova Roma. May the Gods look with favor upon
> their endeavors and our future.

Thank you Cai Minuci. May it be as you wish.

--
Gn. Equitius Marinus

Salve, Sicinius Drusus

Maybe you would like to hear from me (Or some other citizens) those
words of "If you don't like it, go away". Well, you won't hear them
from my own lips. Instead of that, a suggestion.

If the way Nova Roma is on doesn't please you, try to change it. As
I said to other citizens some time ago, leaving is not a solution.
Is the "run away" partial solution. Make the difference. Stay here
and fight reasoning and trying to adapt those things Roma had. We
are Nova Roma, not Roma itself (We some would like it to be true).

I don't think we wan't to make a joke with this. I'm not in luck.
Not any other one. You think it is wrong? Legally the appointed
magistrates are our magistrates, and them are because we accepted
them with the law that we used to vote with. So if you feel the law
is full of flaws, stay here and propose a new one linked as much as
possible to Ancient Rome. It is as simple as working for, not
against.

Sicinius Drusus, I hope you are not dissappointed for not being
elected Tribunus Plebis. If this were your motivation, I don't agree
with your course of action. On the other hand, if it is related to a
flaw you see on the electoral system, suggest a change. Build, not
split. And I hope to hear more words from you, or any other, as far
as they are full of common sense.

vale bene,

L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus" <drusus@b...>
wrote:

> You may be in luck.
>
> A vote counting scam that selects a candidate who carrys 5

Centuries > over a Candiadte that carries 16 Centuries is causing
me to question > retaining membership in this organization. You
just might be able to > turn this organization into the total joke
of a "Modern 28th Century > Micronation" that has little or nothing
to do with Roma, without hearing > another word from me.

>
> Drusus
>
>
> L. Didius Geminus Sceptius wrote:
>
> > Salvete omnes, et tu, Sicinius Drusus
> >
> > It would be a pity to start attacking right from the very

beggining,

> > even before any magistrate makes her/his oath.
> >
> > I would ask you, Sicinius Drusus, to respect those who have been
> > LEGALLY elected as magistrates of our Res Publica. If you are not
> > agree with the system, do not "dwarf" those elected with it, and

try

> > to build, not to split, debating what would be your proposals.
> >
> > As I said before, those who have been not elected can do a lot.

But

> > attacking in such way them is not within the ethics of a Roman

nor

> > the path to improve. Many times I see arguments "Ad Hominem" and

not

> > about the subject itself. I ask all the citizens, and specially

you,

> > Sicinius Drusus, to respect and to build with those elected. Nova
> > Roma is to win, not individuals.
> >
> >
> > vale bene,
> >
> > L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus"

<drusus@b...>

> > wrote:
> > > To Gnaeus Equitius Marinus for being SELECTED Consul in a
> > Landslide that
> > > dwarfs the one President Bush won in 2000.
> > >
> > > L. Sicinius Drusus
> >
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I Have been trying to move Nova Roma towards Roma for three years. It is
moving away from Roma not towards it.

I Joined this organization out of a love for Roma, but Roma is getting
pushed aside more and more over a persuit of modernist utopian political
theories that have nothing to do with the reasons I joined this
organization. My intrest in Nova Roma is wanning as Nova Roma's intrest
in Roma declines.

I Have ZERO intrest in a "Modern 21th Century Micronation". If that sort
of thing intrested me I would have joined some organization that was
working towards that goal rather than one that claimed an intrest in Roma.

Drusus

L. Didius Geminus Sceptius wrote:

> Salve, Sicinius Drusus
>
> Maybe you would like to hear from me (Or some other citizens) those
> words of "If you don't like it, go away". Well, you won't hear them
> from my own lips. Instead of that, a suggestion.
>
> If the way Nova Roma is on doesn't please you, try to change it. As
> I said to other citizens some time ago, leaving is not a solution.
> Is the "run away" partial solution. Make the difference. Stay here
> and fight reasoning and trying to adapt those things Roma had. We
> are Nova Roma, not Roma itself (We some would like it to be true).
>
> I don't think we wan't to make a joke with this. I'm not in luck.
> Not any other one. You think it is wrong? Legally the appointed
> magistrates are our magistrates, and them are because we accepted
> them with the law that we used to vote with. So if you feel the law
> is full of flaws, stay here and propose a new one linked as much as
> possible to Ancient Rome. It is as simple as working for, not
> against.
>
> Sicinius Drusus, I hope you are not dissappointed for not being
> elected Tribunus Plebis. If this were your motivation, I don't agree
> with your course of action. On the other hand, if it is related to a
> flaw you see on the electoral system, suggest a change. Build, not
> split. And I hope to hear more words from you, or any other, as far
> as they are full of common sense.
>
> vale bene,
>
> L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus" <drusus@b...>
> wrote:
> > You may be in luck.
> >
> > A vote counting scam that selects a candidate who carrys 5
> Centuries > over a Candiadte that carries 16 Centuries is causing
> me to question > retaining membership in this organization. You
> just might be able to > turn this organization into the total joke
> of a "Modern 28th Century > Micronation" that has little or nothing
> to do with Roma, without hearing > another word from me.
> >
> > Drusus
> >
> >
> > L. Didius Geminus Sceptius wrote:
> >
> > > Salvete omnes, et tu, Sicinius Drusus
> > >
> > > It would be a pity to start attacking right from the very
> beggining,
> > > even before any magistrate makes her/his oath.
> > >
> > > I would ask you, Sicinius Drusus, to respect those who have been
> > > LEGALLY elected as magistrates of our Res Publica. If you are not
> > > agree with the system, do not "dwarf" those elected with it, and
> try
> > > to build, not to split, debating what would be your proposals.
> > >
> > > As I said before, those who have been not elected can do a lot.
> But
> > > attacking in such way them is not within the ethics of a Roman
> nor
> > > the path to improve. Many times I see arguments "Ad Hominem" and
> not
> > > about the subject itself. I ask all the citizens, and specially
> you,
> > > Sicinius Drusus, to respect and to build with those elected. Nova
> > > Roma is to win, not individuals.
> > >
> > >
> > > vale bene,
> > >
> > > L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus"
> <drusus@b...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > To Gnaeus Equitius Marinus for being SELECTED Consul in a
> > > Landslide that
> > > > dwarfs the one President Bush won in 2000.
> > > >
> > > > L. Sicinius Drusus
> > >
> > >
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Salvete omnes!

I wish to express my congratualtions to all our new magistrates. I
know we have some great talent here and I am looking forward to
seeing our Res Republica flourish this next year. I also I wish to
thank all the other candidates who took the trouble to run in this
election; you are all winners too, your names will not be forgotten
and I know future positions and successes await you!

Have a great remaining festive season.


Valete bene,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

bouncing test

Salve Geminus Sceptius

Very well said. There is good and bad both to this Lex as there is
most leges. It would be very difficult to find a law anywhere,
whether it be Nova Roma or any of the world's macronations that is
not flawed in some way or does not have opponents.

When I first became a Citizen, it was at the end of January and there
were still round after round of elections going on because no
candidate was winning the required number of centuries. If there was
a seeming joke, that was it (note I say "seeming", not actual).

I began to wonder, "can't these people make up thier minds?". With
this system, with all its faults and successes, we at least the
selection of magistrates for the next year before that year's first
quarter is over!

If there is a better way, please, Sicinius Drusus, suggest it. Draft
the lex to implement it and let's let the Citizens of Nova Roma vote
on it.

Vale,
Livia Cornelia Hibernia


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Didius Geminus Sceptius"
<sceptia@y...> wrote:

> Salve, Sicinius Drusus
>
> Maybe you would like to hear from me (Or some other citizens) those
> words of "If you don't like it, go away". Well, you won't hear them
> from my own lips. Instead of that, a suggestion.
>
> If the way Nova Roma is on doesn't please you, try to change it. As
> I said to other citizens some time ago, leaving is not a solution.
> Is the "run away" partial solution. Make the difference. Stay here
> and fight reasoning and trying to adapt those things Roma had. We
> are Nova Roma, not Roma itself (We some would like it to be true).
>
> I don't think we wan't to make a joke with this. I'm not in luck.
> Not any other one. You think it is wrong? Legally the appointed
> magistrates are our magistrates, and them are because we accepted
> them with the law that we used to vote with. So if you feel the law
> is full of flaws, stay here and propose a new one linked as much as
> possible to Ancient Rome. It is as simple as working for, not
> against.
>
> Sicinius Drusus, I hope you are not dissappointed for not being
> elected Tribunus Plebis. If this were your motivation, I don't

agree

> with your course of action. On the other hand, if it is related to

a

> flaw you see on the electoral system, suggest a change. Build, not
> split. And I hope to hear more words from you, or any other, as far
> as they are full of common sense.
>
> vale bene,
>
> L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus"

<drusus@b...>

> wrote:
> > You may be in luck.
> >
> > A vote counting scam that selects a candidate who carrys 5
> Centuries > over a Candiadte that carries 16 Centuries is causing
> me to question > retaining membership in this organization. You
> just might be able to > turn this organization into the total joke
> of a "Modern 28th Century > Micronation" that has little or

nothing

> to do with Roma, without hearing > another word from me.
> >
> > Drusus
> >
> >
> > L. Didius Geminus Sceptius wrote:
> >
> > > Salvete omnes, et tu, Sicinius Drusus
> > >
> > > It would be a pity to start attacking right from the very
> beggining,
> > > even before any magistrate makes her/his oath.
> > >
> > > I would ask you, Sicinius Drusus, to respect those who have been
> > > LEGALLY elected as magistrates of our Res Publica. If you are

not

> > > agree with the system, do not "dwarf" those elected with it,

and

> try
> > > to build, not to split, debating what would be your proposals.
> > >
> > > As I said before, those who have been not elected can do a lot.
> But
> > > attacking in such way them is not within the ethics of a Roman
> nor
> > > the path to improve. Many times I see arguments "Ad Hominem"

and

> not
> > > about the subject itself. I ask all the citizens, and specially
> you,
> > > Sicinius Drusus, to respect and to build with those elected.

Nova

> > > Roma is to win, not individuals.
> > >
> > >
> > > vale bene,
> > >
> > > L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
> > >
> > >
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> > > wrote:
> > > > To Gnaeus Equitius Marinus for being SELECTED Consul in a
> > > Landslide that
> > > > dwarfs the one President Bush won in 2000.
> > > >
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Salvete Quirites;
Scepticus put it best & eloquently, stating all our hopes and joy
for Nova Roma.
& I would just like to add I was one of those too-hasty voters,
but I made sure to return the 17th and revote in the Comitia
Centuriata & very happy indeed with the results. O Censor, Consules,
Aediles, have faith in the Res Publica and we are behind you.
Am looking forward to our Ludii!!
vale bene in pace deorum,
Pomponia Fabia Vera

>
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>
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Honored Citizens of Nova Roma, and the new Magistraes - Elect.

My congratulations to you all. I am pleased with the results of the election,ad now we must turn our combined efforts to the tasks in the year ahead.

My thanks to the Citizens of Nova Roma who have chosen to return me to the position of Curator Differum. It is a much different "Eagle" now than it was when I held this position previously and the staff of the "Eagle" and myself have a task of some moment before us.

I would ask that the lovely and vivacious Mistress Monrovia would grant me a favor. Would she relay my thanks to the Goddess Venus in the most humble possible way, that the Goddess has kept for herelf such a Priestess that brins to the world of men so many of the attributes of the Goddess Venus, and at the same time grants Nova Roma an energetic and extremely wise and experienced Consul in Gnaeus Equitus Marinus. Her obvious wishes have provided a Consular Team whih will be able to work closely together to each other's benefit and more importantly fo the benefit of Nova Roma.

While I am a Christain inbelief, I am not blind to the Gods of Rome and what they have wrought through the inspiration and efforts of mankind. I stand in great respect of them, and am humbled by my lack of understanding of how the beliefs and honors of our mutual religious and moral views can be so easily intertwined.

Very Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius Audens

Avete Omnes,

Today is a beautiful, cold, sunny day here in northern Illinois, USA.

Around the world, many Faithful are holding religious celebrations
within their Faithway.

I wish a joyous time of Celebration to all and may the turning of the
year bring Blessings on thy Hearth and Family.

It's so wonderful to see an election go as smoothly as this one seemed to...

I wish to present my congratulations to the new magistrates.

I also wish to offer my thanks to those others who contended.

The vast majority of the constitutional offices are filled, in a
(relatively ,-) peaceful manner.

Was the system of election fully neat and tidy? No, any human endevour
has some ragged edges.

Will there be those fully satisied? Most assuredly.

Will there be those dissatisfied? Just as likely.

Will the question of trueness to Rome be raised? Always, it seems.

The Rome that was, is gone and never shall be again. In some ways this
is good, in many ways, sad. We can only but try and build anew, keeping
in mind that which is best and brightest within the Ideal of Roman Genius.

I've been with Nova Roma since shortly after the Founding, Cives number
78, being granted citizenship on I Kalends July 2751 AUC / 1998 CE. My
Gens was originally of the Plebian Class, and by virtue of the small
services I rendered our young Nation, we were raised to the Patrician Class.

I have a hard copy of the complete Nova Roma site from the 26th of July,
1998. We had 85 Cives on that day (probably some Socii as well, but
they were not separated out then).

Today we have 1063 Cives and 1044 Socii, a 20 fold increase in a little
over 5 years.

Our Patrician Gens at that time: Aelia, Ambrosia, Antonia, Aurelia,
Cassia, Claudia, Cordia, Cornelia, Drusia, Equitia, Flavia, Germanica,
Gladia, Hadriana, Iulia, Iunia, Leonina, Luciania, Maria, Nigeria,
Octavia, Planicolia, Poppaea, Portia, Silvania, Trentia, Titia, Vedia
and Vellia

Our Plebians: Anncina, Aquila, Avitablia, Caecilia Metella, Claudia
Lucentia, Claudia Secunda, Hyeania, Labiena, Libertania, Lupinia,
Magius, Messalina, Olivaria, Pulchria, Septimia, Sergia, Servia, Sestia,
Tullia, Ulleria, Valeria and Victoria.

The ranks of these have thinned a bit over the years; some have absented
themselves purposefully, some have merely neglected to maintain interest
or contact, some have leftquietly, some have left discordantly...

Many, many others have come in the gates (some of which are Romans
returning from their "travels").

I can only but hope that one and all are in accord on one salient point,
we are here to build.

A few sesterces...

I've not had the resources in time, health or wealth to be active the
past year or so. I am thinking the new year will bring good changes for
me and mine.

--
May the Holy Powers smile on our efforts.
May the Spirits of our family lines nod in approval.
May we be of Worth to our fellow Nova Romans.

In amicus sub fidelis
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
Cives et Paterfamilias
Religio Septentrionalis - Poet

Living a worthy life need not be complicated at all.
Honor the Holy Powers in word and deed.
Honor your Family and Forebears.
Give heed to knowledge and skill.
Attempt to do that which is Right;
with Wisdom, Generosity and Personal Honor.
Read, Write, Love, Laugh, Hate, Cry, Cook, Build,
Sit quietly with family enjoying the birds flying by;
just be the best of that for which you are capable as a Man.
Remember that everything you do adds to the weight of your Past,
for Good or Ill. - Venii

Salvete,

Congratulations to Nova Roma on a most excellent slate
of elected candidates. Our republic will be extremely
well served next year I'm sure.

Valete

Decimus Iunius Silanus

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Salve Marcus Minucius Audens Curator Differum-elect

Congratulations on your election!!! I wish for you and your Eagle staff the most successful year ever.

How is the web site coming along? I can't wait to see it.


Best of luck in the coming year.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Curator Differum 2756





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Cn. Salix Astur Quiritibus S.P.D.

Cives:

I would like to thank all those who have congratulated me on the
results of the elections and to all those who have supported me
during this election with words of encouragement, wise advice or
kindness and love. Gratias plurimas vobis ago, amici.

I would also like to congratulate the future magistrates of our Res
Publica. I am sure that they will do an excellent work. They are just
what Nova Roma needs in the next year.

I would like to thank all the candidates to the elections. Whether
you have been elected or not, your willingness to serve our Res
Publica is most commendable.

Finally, I would like to thank the most important element of this
equation; those citizens that decided to vote. *You* are the ones
that constitue Nova Roma's soul, you are the sole reason for its
existence.

I have been blessed with the opportunity to serve you. That has been
your will. I now promise to do my best.

Thank you once more.

S.V.B.E.E.V.
CN.SALIX.T.F.A.NEP.OVF.ASTVR

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Livia Cornelia Hibernia wrote:
| If there is a better way, please, Sicinius Drusus, suggest
| it. Draft the lex to implement it and let's let the
| Citizens of Nova Roma vote on it.

Salve, Livia Cornelia Hibernia.

Actually, he can't do that. He'd have to be a magistrate with the
ability to summon one of the assemblies (in this case, the comitia
centuriata) in order to promulgate a new lex. Senator Drusus, however,
isn't an elected magistrate, nor has he ever been elected by the people
for any position, in spite of two attempts for tribune and one for
praetor. He has tried that route, and it's just not working for him.

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.

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Salve Titus Octavius

That is, of course, true. However, a Citizen may still offer
suggestions and advice to magistrates, that is why I said that he
should "suggest" it rather than submit it. I should think that a well
drafted lex that clears up a controversial area of our political
process would be welcomed by at least one magistrate.

Vale,
Livia Cornelia Hibernia

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> | If there is a better way, please, Sicinius Drusus, suggest
> | it. Draft the lex to implement it and let's let the
> | Citizens of Nova Roma vote on it.
>
> Salve, Livia Cornelia Hibernia.
>
> Actually, he can't do that. He'd have to be a magistrate with the
> ability to summon one of the assemblies (in this case, the comitia
> centuriata) in order to promulgate a new lex. Senator Drusus,
however,
> isn't an elected magistrate, nor has he ever been elected by the
people
> for any position, in spite of two attempts for tribune and one for
> praetor. He has tried that route, and it's just not working for him.
>
> Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.
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> Thank you Diana, and thanks also to Venus for her guidance in this.
> It is, it would seem, a very good day for her. She has two Iulii
> chosen as next year's Aedilis Curalis, she has helped me to attain
> the Consulship, and she has you, her chosen one.
>
> Ave Venus, mother of the Iulii. Thank you for your gifts to us all.

Thank you for proving my point. You publicly thank a Goddess whom you don't believe in to make
yourself look pius in public as part of the 'I am the future Consul act so I'll make believe that I
believe in the Gods so to throw the Collegium Pontificium a bone'.

Once again, lip service and virtual words to someone you believe is a virtual Goddess.

SOPHIA IULIA LIVILLA SENATO POPVLOQVE NOVAROMAE S.P.D.

Ego, Sophia Iulia Livilla (Minerva Thalia Juno Vanegas Farfano) hoc ipso
facto
sollemniter IVRO Novae Romae decus defendere et semper pro Novae
Romae Populo atque Senatu agere. Ut Novae Romae magistratus ego
Sophia Iulia Livilla (Minerva T. Juno Vanegas Farfano) Romae
deos deasque colere IVRO in omnibus publicae vitae temporibus atque
Romanas virtutes et publica et privata vita persequi.

Ego, Sophia Iulia Livilla (Minerva Thalia Juno Vanegas Farfano)
Romanam religionem favere et defendere IVRO ut Novae Romae
Reipublicae religionem et numquam agere ita ut eius status publicae
religionis aliquid detrimenti capiat. Praeterea ego, Sophia Iulia Livilla
(Minerva Thalia Juno Vanegas Farfano) IVRO quam optime fungi officium
muneris Scriba Propraetoris Mexicaniae.

Meo Novae Romae civis honore et coram Populi Romani deis atque
deabus et eorum voluntate et favore, munus Scriba Propraetoris Mexicaniae
ACCIPIO una cum iuribus, privilegiis. munera atque officia
quae meum munus comportat.

In Mexico Provincia A.D. XIV kalendas Ianuariis annun MMDCCLVI a.u.c.
Consulii: Caeso Fabius Quintillanus,
Titus Labienus Fortunatus
----------------------------------------


I, Sophia Iulia Livilla (Minerva Thalia Juno Vanegas Farfano) do
hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act
always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova
Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Sophia Iulia Livilla (Minerva Thalia Juno
Vanegas Farfano)
swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of
Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my
public and private life.

I, Sophia Iulia Livilla (Minerva Thalia Juno Vanegas Farfano)) swear
to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of
Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its
status as the State Religion.

I, Sophia Iulia Livilla (Minerva Thalia Juno Vanegas Farfano) swear
to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Sophia Iulia Livilla (Minerva Thalia Juno Vanegas Farfano)
further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the
office of Scriba Propraetoris Mexicaniae to the best of my
abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Scriba Propraetoris Mexicaniae and all the
rights, privileges, obligations,and responsibilities attendant
thereto.

In Mexico Provincia, Novaroma, A.D. XIV kalendas Ianuariis annun MMDCCLVI
a.u.c.
Sophia Iulia Livilla (Minerva Thalia Juno Vanegas Farfano)
Mexico Provincia.
Consuls: Caeso Fabius Quintillanus,
Titus Labienus Fortunatus

------------------------------------------


Yo, Sophia Iulia Livilla (Minerva Thalia Juno Vanegas Farfano) por
la presente JURO solemnemente defender el honor de Nova Roma, y
actuar siempre por los intereses de la gente y el Senado de Nova
Roma.
Como magistrado de Nova Roma, yo, Sophia Iulia Livilla (Minerva Thalia Juno
Vanegas Farfano) JURO honrar a los Dioses y las Diosas de
Roma en mis actos públicos, y perseguir las Virtudes Romanas en mi
vida pública y privada.

Yo, Sophia Iulia Livilla (Minerva Thalia Juno Vanegas Farfano),
JURO mantener y defender la Religio Romana así como la Religión del
Estado de Nova Roma y JURO nunca actuar de una manera que amenazaría
su condición de Religión del Estado.
Yo, Sophia Iulia Livilla (Minerva Thalia Juno Vanegas Farfano) JURO
proteger y defender la Constitución de Nova Roma.
Yo, Sophia Iulia Livilla (Minerva Thalia Juno Vanegas Farfano) además JURO
cumplir las obligaciones y responsabilidades del cargo de Scriba
Propraetoris Mexicaniae al máximo de mis capacidades.

Para mi honor como Ciudadano de Nova Roma, y en presencia de los
Dioses y las Diosas de la gente Romana y por su voluntad y favor,
ACEPTO el puesto de Scriba Propraetoris Mexicaniae todos los derechos,
privilegios, obligaciones y responsabilidades que el cargo comporta.

Sophia Iulia Livilla (Minerva Talía Juno Vanegas Farfano)

En la Provincia novorromana de Mexico A.D XIV kalendas Ianuariis annun
MMDCCLVI a.u.c..
Cónsules: Caeso Fabius Quintillanus
Titus Labienus Fortunatus

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Salve Labienus,

First round:

<Diana Moravia Aventina: 16 Centuries
<Gnaeus Equitius Marinus: 5 Centuries

<In the second round, 49 Centuries cast ballots; 26 were required for election:

<Gnaeus Equitius Marinus: 25 Centuries
<Diana Moravia Aventina: 24 Centuries

Am I correct when reading the above that I won 40 centuries and Marinus only 30 and yet I have lost?

Can someone explain in detail how I lost? It is really not clear to me. From what I can see, I
received a lot more votes than Marinus in the first round and only 1 less in the second round and
yet I lost. I am beginning to feel like Al Gore.

I am not at all questioning the accuracy of the results or the hard work of the Rogatores, but
looking at these results I can't help but wonder if there is a mistake.

Vale,
Diana Moravia Aventina

AVETE OMNES

Many congratulations to all the newly elected magistrates! I see we
are having a wonderful year for Nova Roma!!!

OPTIME VALETE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio

Salvete all,

I would just like everyone to know that I have asked the Rogatores and Consul Labienus Fortunatus
for a recount of the Consular election.

I think that our Rogatores worked extremely hard (and during their Christmas holiday too) and have
done a great job. But since I won by 11 centuries in round one and then *lost the election* by one
century in round two (which could have been only one vote) a recount is worth doing. I am indeed
feeling like Al Gore :-)

But if the rogatores re-do their tally and the numbers come up the same-- that I lost the election
by one vote in round two-- then so be it. If we had used the old system from what I can see, I would
be the Consular elect for 2757 and not Marinus. But since I was one of the citizens who voted for
this new voting system that is neither here nor there.

Valete,
Diana Moravia

Manius Constantinus Serapio wrote:

> Many congratulations to all the newly elected magistrates! I see we
> are having a wonderful year for Nova Roma!!!

Thank you Serapio. There is indeed great promise for the new year,
and this current year has seen its share of accomplishments under
the leadership of Quintilianus and Fortunatus.

--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus

> Diana, I suggest you read J. Scheid's Roman Religion

& come on over to the Religio Book Group.
The Gods love Marinus's public actions & words, it makes no
difference to the Religio if he believes them or not. That is a basic
premise of Roman religion that you seem to be unaware of.

If Nova Roma were entirely filled with Christians who performed the
proper rituals & sacrifices they could bring back the Pax Deorum,
buy the book and may I suggest you sacrifice to the Goddess
Concordia?
vale Pomponia Fabia Vera

>

Thank you for proving my point. You publicly thank a Goddess whom you
don't believe in to make

> yourself look pius in public as part of the 'I am the future Consul

act so I'll make believe that I

> believe in the Gods so to throw the Collegium Pontificium a bone'.
>
> Once again, lip service and virtual words to someone you believe is

a virtual Goddess.

Sp. Postumius Tubertus Omnibus sal.

Si tu vales, benest.

Seeing the confusion the new voting system is causing, let me try to give a better explanation. (I apologize if this confuses anyone further)

In this past election for Consul, Cn. Salix won more than half (28, specifically) of the 49 voting centuries. Cn. Equitius won 5 centuries, whereas Diana Moravia won 16. Salix having more than half, he was elected Consul.

In the second round, the 28 centuries who voted for Salix were distributed to their second choice candidates, whereas those who had Marinus or Aventina as first choices retained that vote. To look at the mathematics behind it, Marinus was the second choice of 20 of the 28 centuries voting for Salix, whereas Aventina was the second choice in only 8. Adding these numbers to the original first choice centuries of Marinus and Aventina, Marinus won 25 centuries, and Aventina won 24.

Because the law requires that a candidate be eliminated in each round, Aventina was eliminated by not having the fewest centuries, and because neither candidate had enough centuries for election.

Marinus being the only remaining candidate in the final round, he was elected Consul by default, and by being the first choice in 5 centuries, the second choice in 20 centuries, and third choice in 24. Needless to say, Aventina, then, would have been the first choice in 16, second in 8, and third in 25.

In any case, I hope this helps understand how things turned out the way they did.

Optime Valete,

Spurius Postumius Tubertus

G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

I would like to congratulate all the candidates who have prevailed and
are preparing to shoulder the responsibilities for next year's
governance, most particularly my dear friend Gn. Salix and my
colleague M. Iulius.

I would like also to thank those citizens who supported my candidacy
for Aedilis Curulis, and even more so to thank those citizens whose
sense of duty and patriotism led them to enter the political fray, but
on whose candidacies Fortuna did not this time smile -- we need such
citizens who are willing to speak their minds and submit to the
electoral process, since no republic can long perservere without a
vigorous political contest.

I shall be away until late on Dec. 30, visiting my family. I shall
have internet access there, but I may be a bit tardy in responding to
email and beg pardon of those to whom I do not respond immediately.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus

> Marinus being the only remaining candidate in the final round, he was elected Consul by default,

and by being the first choice in 5 centuries, the second choice in 20 centuries, and third choice in
24. Needless to say, Aventina, then, would have been the first choice in 16, second in 8, and third
in 25.

Thank you Tubertus! That was a very clear explanation.

So then:
28 centuries chose Salix as their first choice
16 centuries chose me as their first choice, 8 chose me as their second choice.
5 centuries chose Marinus as their first choice, 20 chose him as their second choice

Can someone please explain to me how even after testing and being told how correct and efficient
this new system was, how the people's second choice for Consul (me) has lost and the people's third
choice is now Consul-elect? This seems to be quite a flaw in the electoral system.

Valete,
Diana Moravia Aventina

G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Ophthamology in Ancient Rome":

http://www.unich.it/injo/297.htm

This article by Drs. L. Capasso and R. Mariani Costantini, originally
appeared in the _Internet Journal of Ophthamology_ 2 (1997), 1-8.

Since travel can be an unpredictable thing, I offer also the link for
Friday in advance, "Rome -- Engineering and Industry":

http://www.novanet.it/com/personale/togliard/nemi/nindex_e.htm

This site provides excerpts from the volume "Rome: Engineering and
Industry" by Profs. Enzo Fabio and Luca Fassitelli. The site is
available in English and Italian.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salvete omnes
Salva sis Diana

Given the closenes of the tally, a recount seems perfectly reasonable under the circumstances, I believe.

Valete
~ Servius Equitius Mercurius Troianus

-----Original Message-----
From: Diana Moravia Aventina <diana@...>
Sent: Dec 25, 2003 4:47 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A wonderful year

Salvete all,

I would just like everyone to know that I have asked the Rogatores and Consul Labienus Fortunatus
for a recount of the Consular election.

I think that our Rogatores worked extremely hard (and during their Christmas holiday too) and have
done a great job. But since I won by 11 centuries in round one and then *lost the election* by one
century in round two (which could have been only one vote) a recount is worth doing. I am indeed
feeling like Al Gore :-)

But if the rogatores re-do their tally and the numbers come up the same-- that I lost the election
by one vote in round two-- then so be it. If we had used the old system from what I can see, I would
be the Consular elect for 2757 and not Marinus. But since I was one of the citizens who voted for
this new voting system that is neither here nor there.

Valete,
Diana Moravia



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Salvete

Very unloving words from one who honours Venus.

As for Marinus' beliefs, it is my belief that while he is not a Religio practitioner he does respect the Religio and the Immortal Gods, but this is just a personal opinion - I would not presume to be able to look into his soul for the actuality, as some others apparently believe they can.

As for the Virtual This, Virtual That - give it a rest Diana! Yours was a Virtual statement, as is my reply: We have little choice but to use this medium until actual communities can be formed, which realistically may take a generation or two.

When someone commits their Oath to writing, I am willing to accept it as genuine until proven otherwise, regardless of the medium used for the writing: Sending over the internet does not make an Oath any less binding - it makes it more so, as there are more Witnesses and an Archive. To call someone's sworn oath "Virtual" just because of the medium used is a grotesque insult to everyone who communicates in this Virtual Forum! Our communication is very real, and so are the Oaths!

Valete
~ Servius Equitius Mercurius Troianus

-----Original Message-----
From: Diana Moravia Aventina <diana@...>
Sent: Dec 25, 2003 3:58 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Results of Voting in the Centuriae and Tribus

> Thank you Diana, and thanks also to Venus for her guidance in this.
> It is, it would seem, a very good day for her. She has two Iulii
> chosen as next year's Aedilis Curalis, she has helped me to attain
> the Consulship, and she has you, her chosen one.
>
> Ave Venus, mother of the Iulii. Thank you for your gifts to us all.

Thank you for proving my point. You publicly thank a Goddess whom you don't believe in to make
yourself look pius in public as part of the 'I am the future Consul act so I'll make believe that I
believe in the Gods so to throw the Collegium Pontificium a bone'.

Once again, lip service and virtual words to someone you believe is a virtual Goddess.


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Salve!

Si vales, valeo!

Congratulations to all who have won, and special congratulations to Gaius Modius Athansius.

Julia Modia

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Livia Cornelia Hibernia wrote:

> Salve Geminus Sceptius
>
> Very well said. There is good and bad both to this Lex as there is
> most leges. It would be very difficult to find a law anywhere,
> whether it be Nova Roma or any of the world's macronations that is
> not flawed in some way or does not have opponents.
>
> When I first became a Citizen, it was at the end of January and there
> were still round after round of elections going on because no
> candidate was winning the required number of centuries. If there was
> a seeming joke, that was it (note I say "seeming", not actual).
>
> I began to wonder, "can't these people make up thier minds?". With
> this system, with all its faults and successes, we at least the
> selection of magistrates for the next year before that year's first
> quarter is over!
>
> If there is a better way, please, Sicinius Drusus, suggest it. Draft
> the lex to implement it and let's let the Citizens of Nova Roma vote
> on it.
>
> Vale,
> Livia Cornelia Hibernia

Sorry I studided Roman goverment and history, a subject that isn't very
important in Nova Roma. I'm not an expert on voting systems for modern
21st century micronations, you'll need to contact someone who is into
role playing games for advice on that.

Drusus

What you and our priestess of Venus seemed not to have studied is -
good sportsmanship; both of you reek of the bitterness of sore
losers & it is profoundly unattractive.
vale Pomponia Fabia Vera

>

Sorry I studided Roman goverment and history, a subject that isn't
very

> important in Nova Roma. I'm not an expert on voting systems for

modern

> 21st century micronations, you'll need to contact someone who is

into

> role playing games for advice on that.
>
> Drusus

Salve Pomponia Fabia Vera;

I agree with you. Within the Religio it is about Orthopraxy, that is doing the rituals correctly. Belief is not paramount as action is. However...Christianity does not teach this. It is not acceptable for a Christian to "believe" in the existance of other Gods. Additionally, would Consul-elect Marinus be willing to sacrifice a bull (or other animal) to the Gods as the Consuls of antiqua would have done as part of their magisterial responsibility? Would the pastor of his Church find this OK?

Its not acceptable, in my eyes, for someone who is not a follower of the Religio to play "lip service" to the Gods as if they were a believer on this mailing list. If Marinus truly believes that Venus helped him win the election then I would EXPECT him to make a physical (not virtual) offering to her in thanks for such a blessing.

Nova Roma is NOT a Role-playing game. I, Gaius Modius Athansius, make offerings to the Gods for the wellbring of the People and Senate of Nova Roma. And while I, Gaius Modius Athanasius, am making said offerings...David Oliver Kling, Jr (citizen of the United States of America) is also making offerings to the Gods for the wellbeing of the Peole and Senate of Nova Roma. I do nothing as Gaius Modius that I would not also do as David Kling. The two are the same, within Nova Roma David Kling just happens to be the name I was born with. Gaius Modius Athanasius is the names the Gods know me as, for They and I belong to the same community.

Since Marinus gladly accepts that Venus helped him get elected I expect him to put on his toga praetexta, cover his head like a good Roman, and make an offering of gratitude to Venus. I didn't see Her subscribed to this e-mail list, and I want to make sure She knows he is thankful. To do otherwise is a mockery of the Gods.

Valete;

Gaius Modius Athansius
Flamen Pomonalis

In a message dated 12/25/2003 7:52:39 PM Eastern Standard Time, rory12001@... writes:

> The Gods love Marinus's public actions & words, it makes no
> difference to the Religio if he believes them or not. That is a basic
> premise of Roman religion that you seem to be unaware of.
>
> If Nova Roma were entirely filled with Christians who performed the
> proper rituals & sacrifices they could bring back the Pax Deorum,
> buy the book and may I suggest you sacrifice to the
> Goddess
> Concordia?
> vale Pomponia Fabia Vera