F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to the Honorable Diana Moravia et al. Salve.

I have never used sexist or profane language when addressing the Illustrious Drusus even though he has used both in some of his addresses but I have never seen you nor the Senate do anything about his slanders, insinuations, insults, and implications. Senator Drusus doesn't even bother to read most emails on this list thoroughly enough to know the differences between the words "may" or "might" or "could" but always making the fatal presumption that any statement he cannot understand or agree with is made in the imperative or accusative tense.
The Illustrious Senator Drusus is a senator and a priest but these titles do not translate into his actions or his words. He has all but called me a liar many times on the list by pointing out many of my posts are politically motivated despite my statements that they are purely personal. I hardly expect that anyone who shares his political viewpoints to deal fairly with anyone who disagrees with him. Fortunately, the public record of posts show that most of his arguments are built on sand and maintained by scurrilous thunderbolts of potential (in his opinion) wrongdoing he hurls at his detractors because he has so few facts that are directly pertinent.

HOWEVER, you and several others are correct. I publicly violated the rules of the mainlist by calling the Illustrious Senator a number of titles/descriptions/epitaphs that may translate into reality but are not appropriate for this list. I apologize for publicly posting these names on the mainlist about the Illustrious Senator L. Sicinius Drusus.

Apology not accepted due to the total lack of sincerity expressed in it.

PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:

>
> HOWEVER, you and several others are correct. I publicly violated the
> rules of the mainlist by calling the Illustrious Senator a number of
> titles/descriptions/epitaphs that may translate into reality but are
> not appropriate for this list. I apologize for publicly posting these
> names on the mainlist about the Illustrious Senator L. Sicinius Drusus.

1.Fall of the Roman Empire w/Stephen Boyd, Alec Guiness, Christopher Plummer
2.Masada w/Peter O'Toole
3.Last Days of Pompeii
4.The Robe
5.Cleopatra
6.Ben Hur
7.Barabbas
8.Spartacus
9.Caligula
10.Quo Vadis

F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus

Salve,

I have small issue with your assesment that Islam did not exist during the time of the roman empire. Islam teaches that it has always existed since Adam (pbuh). Therefore to a Muslim, it did exsist from the beginning of time itself.
But then again, this is really a matter of somantics. I just had to say it. *smiles*

Claudia Fabia Calpurnia

In memory of Tenzing the Kitty, May 4-August 1, 2003
He lost his short battle for life, and is now at peace

----- Original Message -----
From: <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 9:27 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] A Reply to L. Sicinius Drusus & A Statement About NR Public Service


> F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to the Illustrious Senator L. Sicinius Drusus et al. Salve.
>
> You beat the drum continuously about how we should honor the ideals and traditions of Ancient Rome and not be a 21st century micronation but then you post a question that only a 21st century nontraditionalist would ask.
> According to the Constitution of Nova Roma, we honor and give respect to the traditions and practices of Old Rome from Her founding to the Removal of the Altar of Victory. As such, asking a Roman Catholic Priest, an Episcopalian Priest (or any other Protestant Christian), a Moslem Clergy Person, a Buddhist Monk, or any other modern spiritual leader about honoring pagan deities with publicly required oaths and duties may not be appropriate. None of these faiths existed at the time the Altar was removed. Only two or three of the major Christian Ecumenical Councils had been held at that time so Christianity as we know it did not exist. "Fundimentalism" is an oxymoron in religion since one man's fundimentalism is another person's scandalous syncreticism. A "Roman fundamentalist" might not recognize the worship of the Magna Mater or Apollo since those Gods came to Rome after the founding. A "Christian fundamentalist" would not celebrate Christmas, abjure eating pork or shel!
> lfish, and keep other Jewish religious laws even as Iesus bar Ioseph did.
> Now if you want to ask an Arian, Nestorian, or Monophysite Christian Priest for advice about this subject then that might be appropriate. For those practicing Judaism, I recall Rabbi E. Wax telling me once in college that during the period prior to the Diaspora under Hadrian, the Chief Priest in Jerusalem offered the appropriate rites and honors to the Roman Gods on behalf of all the Jewish People. You might also want to ask a Zoroastrian Priest about this question since that religion falls within the framework of our period.
>
> In the two years that I have been a citizen of Nova Roma, I have seen this question pop up several times. The answers lie in the Constitution, Laws, Edicts, and Decrees of the Republic. These are fairly straight forward. If a magistrate-elect cannot swear the legal Oath of Office due to personal religious beliefs, then they are [de facto and de iure] not able to take legal possession of and hold their office. It is not a matter of belief in the Immortal Gods that is the requirement for being a magistrate. It is the public duties and requirements that are currently in force that are not open to debate (although laws, edicts, and decrees can be changed).
> If a law states that a magistrate must open a festival with a public sacrifice to Iuppiter Omnia Maximus then that rite must be celebrated but the law may say nothing about fervent belief in I.O.M. Many of the writers of Old Rome--Juvenal, Martial, Marius the Epicurean, Tacitus--are very clear that they have no personal belief in the old Gods of Rome but they perform the festival, rites, and rituals out of tradition and obligation.
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To those of the Jewish faith I say Shalom, Though I am pagen I know how to
say the "Shema".
I have always had a fondness for the Jewish Faith.



Lucius Martianus Paullus

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Norm's Awesome Adventure. I had forgotten about that movie. It isn't really that bad historically since the legions do respond to horn calls rather than drums but the portrayal of Nero as a fluttering orgy-loving cretin was very humorous. I liked the end of the movie when the former tax-collector introduces the printing press to Old Rome and Norm's back-stabbing friends are his slaves.

F. Gal Aur Sec

Quo Vadis!! I had almost forgotten about that movie. I loved it as a child. As for other movies about ancient Roma? I liked Gladiator, I know the history is off, but I enjoyed the movie nonetheless. IN some cases I can overlook historic inaccuracy for the entertainment value of the movie. I also enjoyed Ben Hur and just about any of the Cleopatra movies, my favorite being the version with Claudette Colbert as Cleo.

Claudia Fabia Calpurnia

In memory of Tenzing the Kitty, May 4-August 1, 2003
He lost his short battle for life, and is now at peace

----- Original Message -----
From: <PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Movies about ancient Rome


> 1.Fall of the Roman Empire w/Stephen Boyd, Alec Guiness, Christopher Plummer
> 2.Masada w/Peter O'Toole
> 3.Last Days of Pompeii
> 4.The Robe
> 5.Cleopatra
> 6.Ben Hur
> 7.Barabbas
> 8.Spartacus
> 9.Caligula
> 10.Quo Vadis
>
> F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus
>

Ok, I very seldom (read NEVER) admit this in public but I've got a
really soft spot for Frankie Howard, therefore, for sheer entertainment
value, I'd have to add 'Up Pompeii'

Flavia Lucilla

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a... wrote:

> Norm's Awesome Adventure. I had forgotten about that movie. It

isn't really that bad historically since the legions do respond to
horn calls rather than drums but the portrayal of Nero as a
fluttering orgy-loving cretin was very humorous. I liked the end of
the movie when the former tax-collector introduces the printing press
to Old Rome and Norm's back-stabbing friends are his slaves.

>
> F. Gal Aur Sec

Salve F. Gal

Plus the scene where the cocky dandy guy gets put in a bath with the
Roman general who likes both snails and oysters and his lady friend
who detests him says awww, go on, make the general happy!
Two of my childhood classmates made that movie so I'm partly attached
to it for that reason.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Salvete Flavia et omnes,

A very funny series and a favourite of my father and mine; a classic
for puns. I remember old Ludicrus Sextus, his wife Ammonia alias "the
gardner" cause she hopped from bed to bed and of course, Nosius the
strange boy who lost all his potential girlfriends due to his poor
writing abilities in poetry.

eg: his ode to Flavia (not you by the way!)

Flavia, Flavia to whom I'm near,
Close to my heart I hold so dear,
In beauty you stand like a radiant Venus,
Anticipating a yard of my love....

Oh, dear I lost her. Couldn't think of a word that rhymed in the last
verse!

That show sure tested the limits of TV in the early 70's when foul
language was strictly forbidden.


Has anyone seen this series on video or DVD yet?


Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus







--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Flavia Lucilla Merula
<k.a.wright@n...> wrote:

> Ok, I very seldom (read NEVER) admit this in public but I've got a
> really soft spot for Frankie Howard, therefore, for sheer

entertainment

> value, I'd have to add 'Up Pompeii'
>
> Flavia Lucilla

Shalom back at you & thanks for saying that: the more pagans the
better I like anyone who doesn't want to persecute me;)

(and just for the ML I'm not trying to convert anyone, they don't
want you! But we'll cook you a nice meal instead...)
vale Pomponia Fabia Vera


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> To those of the Jewish faith I say Shalom, Though I am pagen I know

how to

> say the "Shema".
> I have always had a fondness for the Jewish Faith.
>
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> Lucius Martianus Paullus
>
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F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to the Illustrious Senator L. Sicinius Drusus. Salve.

Once again you have jumped to the false conclusion and made a statement that shows how little you can actually perceive what is being posted. I will break it down so that you might be able to understand. You posted,

"Apology not accepted due to the total lack of sincerity expressed in it."

You posted this because of the last portion of a previous post in which I [F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus] posted,

"HOWEVER, you and several other are correct. I publicly violated the rules of the mainlist by calling the Illustrious Senator a number of titles/descriptions/epitaphs that may translate into reality but are not appropriate for this list. I apologize for publicly posting these names on the mainlist about the Illustrious Senator L. Sicinius Drusus."

Your mistake was in believing that I was insincere in my apology but in reality:

I. I was sincere about my public apology.

II. I apologized for publicly posting certain descriptions of you on the mainlist and, thus, violating the rules about appropriate behavior on the mainlist.

III. I AM sincere in my public apology about violating the rules of appropriate behavior on the mainlist.

IV. I TRULY regret losing my self-control and publicly posting my private opinion about you. However, this did not imply or state that I am withdrawing or apologizing for my statement/those titles/my private opinion towards and about you because I still believe you reaffirm my opinion almost every time you post on the mainlist.

V. I never implied or directly said that I was apologizing to you specifically but only that I was apologizing for violating the rules about insulting names on the mainlist.

VI. Your response was inappropriate because you made a presumption not supported by fact or language (i.e. that I was apologizing to you, L. Sicinius Drusus, personally for what I called you).

VII. However, you can still refuse to accept my public apology about truly regretting my violation of the rules of the mainlist in your capacity as a private citizen but don't expect me to be really broken up about it emotionally.

Of course, based on your many previous errors about spelling, grammar, syntax, and sentence structure, it would not be a great surprise if you do not get a good grip on what I am actually apologizing for rather than what you may believe I am actually trying to communicate.

You might want to read the books by Susan Haden Elgin. It might [but probably will not] do wonders for these lapses of your understanding of printed American-English grammar and syntax.

Vale.

Salve,
I am new to this group and have a love for the history and culture
of ancient Rome. Works of Cicero, Livy, Caesar, Suetonius, and
Virgil line my bookshelf but I am interested in more about this
group. When it comes to the religious aspect I am afraid I should
have to declien as I am a Christian though I do enjoy the history of
the temples as well as the gods of Rome. Anyone who has patience
enough to speak with a newcomer and help to add to my education
please email me at bwinningham@... Kind Reguards

Yawn,
Another boorish post.

Keep it up, all you are doing is destroying your reputation, a situation
that I find rather amusing.

Drusus


PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:

> F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to the Illustrious Senator L. Sicinius
> Drusus. Salve.
>
> Once again you have jumped to the false conclusion and made a
> statement that shows how little you can actually perceive what is
> being posted. I will break it down so that you might be able to
> understand. You posted,
>
> "Apology not accepted due to the total lack of sincerity expressed in it."
>
> You posted this because of the last portion of a previous post in
> which I [F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus] posted,
>
> "HOWEVER, you and several other are correct. I publicly violated the
> rules of the mainlist by calling the Illustrious Senator a number of
> titles/descriptions/epitaphs that may translate into reality but are
> not appropriate for this list. I apologize for publicly posting these
> names on the mainlist about the Illustrious Senator L. Sicinius Drusus."
>
> Your mistake was in believing that I was insincere in my apology but
> in reality:
>
> I. I was sincere about my public apology.
>
> II. I apologized for publicly posting certain descriptions of you on
> the mainlist and, thus, violating the rules about appropriate behavior
> on the mainlist.
>
> III. I AM sincere in my public apology about violating the rules of
> appropriate behavior on the mainlist.
>
> IV. I TRULY regret losing my self-control and publicly posting my
> private opinion about you. However, this did not imply or state that
> I am withdrawing or apologizing for my statement/those titles/my
> private opinion towards and about you because I still believe you
> reaffirm my opinion almost every time you post on the mainlist.
>
> V. I never implied or directly said that I was apologizing to you
> specifically but only that I was apologizing for violating the rules
> about insulting names on the mainlist.
>
> VI. Your response was inappropriate because you made a presumption not
> supported by fact or language (i.e. that I was apologizing to you, L.
> Sicinius Drusus, personally for what I called you).
>
> VII. However, you can still refuse to accept my public apology about
> truly regretting my violation of the rules of the mainlist in your
> capacity as a private citizen but don't expect me to be really broken
> up about it emotionally.
>
> Of course, based on your many previous errors about spelling, grammar,
> syntax, and sentence structure, it would not be a great surprise if
> you do not get a good grip on what I am actually apologizing for
> rather than what you may believe I am actually trying to communicate.
>
> You might want to read the books by Susan Haden Elgin. It might [but
> probably will not] do wonders for these lapses of your understanding
> of printed American-English grammar and syntax.
>
> Vale.
>
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F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to Claudia Fabia Calpurnia. Salve.

To a Muslim, Allah has existed since the beginning of Time and I believe that the Creator & Maker of all Gods & Men has existed since before Time. So we are in the same book but not on the same page. That Allah did not make Islam (the Submission) known to Man until Mohammed the Prophet grew to be a man is inexplicable to Man. "Inshallah" is what my Moslem acquaintances tell me.
Historically, the Great Roman Empire spreading from Britannia to Persia ceased to exist about 150 years before the birth of the Prophet Mohammed. Of course, the Roman Empire of Heraclitus was in existance at the time of Mohammed so I have made an error although Islam was not known to Man in 394 C.E. when the Altar of Victory was removed from the Roman Senate House.
You are correct and I am correct. However, the word is "semantics" according to Mr. Webster but you may have a dictionary that makes it "somantics." Vale.

Salve,

Welcome to this group and we hope you have a great time here. There
are many experts here who will always be glad to assist and help you.
As you may have seen from previous posts your private faith is
totally your business but nevertheless, it is a great idea to build a
great knowledge of the Roman religion since it is a fundemental
building block to ancient Roman culture and fascinating at the same
time. When I studied Mexican history, we spent a fair bit of time
learning about the gods and religion of the Aztecs as well and
similarily it is important to study some basics of Islam when
learning the history of the middle east, Indonesia and all. Have fun
and don't hesitiate to ask questions!

Vale bene,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Brandon" <cagneyfan@y...> wrote:
> Salve,
> I am new to this group and have a love for the history and culture
> of ancient Rome. Works of Cicero, Livy, Caesar, Suetonius, and
> Virgil line my bookshelf but I am interested in more about this
> group. When it comes to the religious aspect I am afraid I should
> have to declien as I am a Christian though I do enjoy the history
of
> the temples as well as the gods of Rome. Anyone who has patience
> enough to speak with a newcomer and help to add to my education
> please email me at bwinningham@c... Kind Reguards

F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to Brandon. Salve.

Welcome to Nova Roma. Your tastes in reading are much like my own and I would enjoy any discussions you choose to make on the mainlist or privately. Don't be concerned about the religious aspects as it doesn't really matter unless you should ever become a magistrate. Perhaps you might make some share some of your knowledge about the Pre-Nicean Fathers of the Christian Church. I really enjoy some of the Gnostic writings from the first two centuries C.E.
What province to you live in? Do you have any interests in coming to public gatherings of Nova Romans? Let us know more about you. Vale.

Salve Brandon,

I'm afraid this poster has offered you some very bad advice. The Religio
Romana is the primary reason that Nova Roma exists, and if you ignore it
you will be missing out on a primary feature of Nova Roma and Roman Culture.

L. Sicinius Drusus

PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:

> F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to Brandon. Salve.
>
> Welcome to Nova Roma. Your tastes in reading are much like my own and
> I would enjoy any discussions you choose to make on the mainlist or
> privately. Don't be concerned about the religious aspects as it
> doesn't really matter unless you should ever become a magistrate.
> Perhaps you might make some share some of your knowledge about the
> Pre-Nicean Fathers of the Christian Church. I really enjoy some of
> the Gnostic writings from the first two centuries C.E.
> What province to you live in? Do you have any interests in coming to
> public gatherings of Nova Romans? Let us know more about you. Vale.
>
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Salve,
Many thanks for the kind and speedy response. I have many questions
one of which is in reguards to choosing a Roman nomen. I am aware
from my studies that the ancients recieved them due to character
traits, victories such as the Scripios and Gnaenus Pompeius, as well
as for miscellaneous reasons such as Cicero but who does one in this
group select or have selecyted for them a praenomen, nomen, and
cognomen? Currently I reside in Tennessee and would be interested,
should there be a gathering in my area, to attend. Do most, if not
all, of the group memeber speak Latin fluently and if so what is the
recommended method to learn as I have already started and picked up
a few bits of the language and pronounciation.

Salve Brandon:

Welcome to Nova Roma. It is my hope that you have the fullest experience
possible within the Republic,and in Roman Culture. Please feel free to cantact
me privately with any questions you may have regarding participation within
Nova Roma as a citizen. I do encourage you to find a gens (a Roman family), and
to choose a Roman name, and get involved. Once you have that, and are
approved as a citizen, be sure to vote in the Comitia. Its the best way to be
involved in the Republic. Be sure to read the Constitution, and the Laws recorded
in the Tabularium section of the web-page. Hopefully that will answer any
questions you may have. Its been my experience that everyone on the list, and all
of our leaders and elected officials are willing to, and are exteremely
helpful wigth any and all questions. Its best to contact them privately.

Vale:

Q. Bianchius Rufinus


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Salve,
I do hope that this view that you have expressed is not constant
through this group. I have already begun to enjoy this group and
would certainly hate to have to leave. However, I counter with the
question would you be willing to denounce your religious beliefs as
a citizen of Nova Roma should you happen to attend something that
would be of a Christian faith? I am sure that you would not
therefore I cannot either. I certainly mean no disrespect as a new
comer to one of senatorial rank but I must disagree and I do hope
that others of this group do not hold this same view. I do not nor
did I ever have the intention of pushing y faith on anyone but
merely brought it up due to the previous posts that I had read.
Kind Rguards

Please don't misunderstand me, we welcome members of all faiths in Nova
Roma. There is no obligation to convert to the Religio Romana, though
there is an obligation to show respect for it. I'm merely sugesting that
you learn something of the Religio so that you can increase your
understanding of Roman History and of Nova Roma. I'm also letting you
know that the Religio Romana plays a prominant role in Nova Roma so that
you won't have any misunderstandings about the nature of this organization.

L. Sicinius Drusus
Senator and Pontifex

Brandon wrote:

> Salve,
> I do hope that this view that you have expressed is not constant
> through this group. I have already begun to enjoy this group and
> would certainly hate to have to leave. However, I counter with the
> question would you be willing to denounce your religious beliefs as
> a citizen of Nova Roma should you happen to attend something that
> would be of a Christian faith? I am sure that you would not
> therefore I cannot either. I certainly mean no disrespect as a new
> comer to one of senatorial rank but I must disagree and I do hope
> that others of this group do not hold this same view. I do not nor
> did I ever have the intention of pushing y faith on anyone but
> merely brought it up due to the previous posts that I had read.
> Kind Rguards
>
>
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Salve,

In regards to my part of things, I chose my name from Aulus Postumius Tubertus, the father-in-law of L. Quinctius Poenus Cincinnatus, and dictator who, in 431, defeated the Aequi at the Algidus Pass.

As for the fluency in Latin, I can say that I'm nothing of fluent (though I would like to change that). I can certainly translate, but not as quickly as Q. Fabius Maximus or C. Iulius Scaurus.

Welcome to Nova Roma, and I hope to see you as a citizen soon!

Vale,

Spurius Postumius Tubertus

Brandon,

I hope you received my private email to you. If you go to the main
site of Nova Roma, there are a number of spots that can help you
with choosing your name. Most NR citizens usually go with the
formula of praenomen/cognomen/nomen like Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
or Quintus Fabius Maximus while other go with a fourth name
indicating place of origin like Hibernicus (Irishman), place in the
family (Minor, Secundus, or Tertius), or something like a nickname
Ursus (Bear), Felix (Happy), Laetus (Joyful). Now some have a
cognizance based on a religious duty like "Augur."
As to Latin, some members are fluent in Latin while others have just
a smattering. Others read it better than we speak it. You will
note the frequent use of "salve", "salvete", "vale", valete", and
occasional use of other common phrases or expressions, "quo
vadis?", "ubi balneum est?", "desiste!", "et cetera" so you can use
as much as you wish with various levels of understanding. It
certainly doesn't hurt to break out the Wheelock. I have a couple
of taped sources of Latin that I can likely recommend to you
although you will learn the Vulgare rather than the Latin of Cicero.
I am glad to hear you live in Tennessee as I do also (Nashville but
from Memphis originally). There are about 15 citizens living in
Tennessee with about six in the Middle Tennessee area. I posted a
message on the mainlist about a week ago asking NR and other
Romanophiles living around here to contact me about getting together
for a meet-and-greet. So far, I have received three Tennesseans,
two from KY, and one from AL. There are a couple of dates in 2004 I
am looking at for a convivium. I have your private email but if you
want to privately send me your snail mail & telephone number I
promise to keep them confidential.
I look forward to hearing from you.

Flavi Galeri

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Brandon" <cagneyfan@y...> wrote:
> Salve,
> Many thanks for the kind and speedy response. I have many
questions
> one of which is in reguards to choosing a Roman nomen. I am aware
> from my studies that the ancients recieved them due to character
> traits, victories such as the Scripios and Gnaenus Pompeius, as
well
> as for miscellaneous reasons such as Cicero but who does one in
this
> group select or have selecyted for them a praenomen, nomen, and
> cognomen? Currently I reside in Tennessee and would be interested,
> should there be a gathering in my area, to attend. Do most, if
not
> all, of the group memeber speak Latin fluently and if so what is
the
> recommended method to learn as I have already started and picked
up
> a few bits of the language and pronounciation.

I am glad that we have an understanding. I have every intention of
respecting the beliefs of others as I said in my opening message I
love the history and every aspect of ancient Rome and have have many
pictures or the temples as well as the literature which as you you
know are saturated with the religious beliefs. I look forward to the
future in Nova Roma.
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus" <drusus@b...>
wrote:

> Please don't misunderstand me, we welcome members of all faiths in

Nova

> Roma. There is no obligation to convert to the Religio Romana,

though

> there is an obligation to show respect for it. I'm merely

sugesting that

> you learn something of the Religio so that you can increase your
> understanding of Roman History and of Nova Roma. I'm also letting

you

> know that the Religio Romana plays a prominant role in Nova Roma

so that

> you won't have any misunderstandings about the nature of this

organization.

>
> L. Sicinius Drusus
> Senator and Pontifex
>
> Brandon wrote:
>
> > Salve,
> > I do hope that this view that you have expressed is not constant
> > through this group. I have already begun to enjoy this group and
> > would certainly hate to have to leave. However, I counter with

the

> > question would you be willing to denounce your religious beliefs

as

> > a citizen of Nova Roma should you happen to attend something that
> > would be of a Christian faith? I am sure that you would not
> > therefore I cannot either. I certainly mean no disrespect as a

new

> > comer to one of senatorial rank but I must disagree and I do hope
> > that others of this group do not hold this same view. I do not

nor

> > did I ever have the intention of pushing y faith on anyone but
> > merely brought it up due to the previous posts that I had read.
> > Kind Rguards
> >
> >
> >
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Salve dear F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus,
It takes a very big person to acknowledge and admit a mistake (such
as it was).
I have been a great admirer of yours for your honesty, intelligence
and humor in dealing with the inane minutia of this and other lists
and in trying to keep everyone honest (a big reason for the few
replies here).
I applaude you for it is indeed a large undertaking and a thankless
one at times.
Many here (myself foremost) are able to read between the lines and
are used to the word games that run circles around themselves to try
and confuse people into believing what others say to be just but I
wanted to thank you personally for clearing up much of that confusion
for the new citizens.
I personally accept your appology for violating rules of posting
personal oppinions in less than pallatable palp. As a previous
offender, I can sympathize and empathize with you.
You are a much bigger man than myself and I hold you in higher esteem
than even before for your posting.
Vale,
Justinian

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a... wrote:
> F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to the Honorable Diana Moravia et
al. Salve.
>
> I have never used sexist or profane language when addressing the
Illustrious Drusus even though he has used both in some of his
addresses but I have never seen you nor the Senate do anything about
his slanders, insinuations, insults, and implications. Senator
Drusus doesn't even bother to read most emails on this list
thoroughly enough to know the differences between the words "may"
or "might" or "could" but always making the fatal presumption that
any statement he cannot understand or agree with is made in the
imperative or accusative tense.
> The Illustrious Senator Drusus is a senator and a priest but these
titles do not translate into his actions or his words. He has all
but called me a liar many times on the list by pointing out many of
my posts are politically motivated despite my statements that they
are purely personal. I hardly expect that anyone who shares his
political viewpoints to deal fairly with anyone who disagrees with
him. Fortunately, the public record of posts show that most of his
arguments are built on sand and maintained by scurrilous thunderbolts
of potential (in his opinion) wrongdoing he hurls at his detractors
because he has so few facts that are directly pertinent.
>
> HOWEVER, you and several others are correct. I publicly violated
the rules of the mainlist by calling the Illustrious Senator a number
of titles/descriptions/epitaphs that may translate into reality but
are not appropriate for this list. I apologize for publicly posting
these names on the mainlist about the Illustrious Senator L. Sicinius
Drusus.

On Mon, 2003-12-29 at 17:53, David Bustillos wrote:

> To those of the Jewish faith I say Shalom, Though I am pagen I know how to
> say the "Shema".
> I have always had a fondness for the Jewish Faith.

Salvete,

I have a special fondness for the Jewish latke!
Is the shema the special prayer Invisible Hasidic Jews use to ensure
that CDs get put back in their correct cases?

I once wrote a short story about a Jewish Archangel (who rode a Honda
Step-thru) who stole Iblis al-Shaitan's Laverda Jota (huge mad Italian
bike for people with no fear). It also featured Jesus in a Sherman tank,
driven by him mother, who accidentally crushed the Laverda.I thought it
was funny and it did get published in the bike magazine I sent it to.
</end off topic>
valete
Gaius Cornelius Severus

On Mon, 2003-12-29 at 19:12, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:

> . However, the word is "semantics"

Salvete,
we don't need any anti-semantic opinions here, we're all Orthodox
Jewish Adjectives (with a few heretic Nouns and Verbs here and there.)
mazel tov,
Caius Cornelius Himmelbaum
(not even vaguely Jewish unless there was a Viking tribe of Israel.)

On Mon, 2003-12-29 at 19:43, L. Sicinius Drusus wrote:

> Salve Brandon,
>
> I'm afraid this poster has offered you some very bad advice. The Religio
> Romana is the primary reason that Nova Roma exists, and if you ignore it
> you will be missing out on a primary feature of Nova Roma and Roman Culture.

Salvete Omnes,

I'm also afraid this poster has also offered you some poor advice. You
don't have to be part of the Religio to enjoy Nova Roma. There is a
large pagan element, there are Xtians and others.(I'm an Orthodox Other)
It's what you make it.
Welcome and have fun. We're the one's in the corner pretending to be the
People's Liberation Front of Judea.Come and have a latke with us
mazel tov
Gaius Cornelius Himmelbaum

Greetings all! I'm a new citizen, and my name is Lucius Cornelius Cicero.
I'm glad to be accepted as a citizen of Nova Roma, and I'm looking forward
to many wonderful years as a citizen. I hope that I can serve Roma in many ways.

Best wishes to all,

Lucius Cornelius Cicero


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Neil Lucock wrote:

> On Mon, 2003-12-29 at 19:43, L. Sicinius Drusus wrote:
> > Salve Brandon,
> >
> > I'm afraid this poster has offered you some very bad advice. The
> Religio
> > Romana is the primary reason that Nova Roma exists, and if you
> ignore it
> > you will be missing out on a primary feature of Nova Roma and Roman
> Culture.
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> I'm also afraid this poster has also offered you some poor advice. You
> don't have to be part of the Religio to enjoy Nova Roma. There is a
> large pagan element, there are Xtians and others.(I'm an Orthodox Other)
> It's what you make it.
> Welcome and have fun. We're the one's in the corner pretending to be the
> People's Liberation Front of Judea.Come and have a latke with us
> mazel tov
> Gaius Cornelius Himmelbaum

Now where did I say someone has to be a part of the Religio?
I Advised against ignoring it, not a word about joining the Religio.

Drusus

Salve Cicero!

Welcome to Nova Roma! And welcome to gens Cornelia!
I'm sure we will find ways in which you can serve the
Senate and the People of Nova Roma.

Bene Vale
Livia Cornelia Hibernia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Coetzee" <cybermik@n...>
wrote:

> Greetings all! I'm a new citizen, and my name is Lucius Cornelius

Cicero.

> I'm glad to be accepted as a citizen of Nova Roma, and I'm looking

forward

> to many wonderful years as a citizen. I hope that I can serve Roma

in many ways.

>
> Best wishes to all,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Cicero
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve FGAS,

<HOWEVER, you and several others are correct. I publicly violated the rules of the mainlist by
<calling the Illustrious Senator a number of titles/descriptions/epitaphs that may translate into
<reality but are not appropriate for this list. I apologize for publicly posting these names on <
<the mainlist about the Illustrious Senator L. Sicinius Drusus.

I saw your apology after I posted my email. Sorry about that. I thought your apology was
gracefully done as well as sincere.

Just for the record, I have mentioned to Senator Drusus offlist more than once that I thought that
he was overdoing it. He doesn't stop. I've told Scaevola that he was overdoing it in the past-- he
doesn't stop either. If you remember earlier this year I publicly shouted for the Praetores when I
thought that Scaevola went way out of line. I immediately regretted it: it takes two sides to
argue as I have seen here over and over again. So now publicly the most I'll say is that I
disagree, as I did in your case.

I hate to admit it, but I've been involved more than once in heated disagreements myself :-p

In any case, I am a Tribune and not a Praetor so I have no authority to *tell* anyone to stop
behaving in a manner which I find offensive. Some would find your email offensive and some would
cheer. It is all a matter of opinion and as far as the list goes, I only have an opinion just like
everyone else. Our Praetores are the only ones who bark but can also bite.

Whenever I ask Drusus a question about the Religio in his office of Pontiff he always answers
promptly and in a friendly manner. I honestly don't understand why certain people wind him up all
the time and why certain people get wound up by him as well. This is always just a clear case of
personalities clashing. Unfortunate, but true.

Vale,
Diana



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On Mon, 2003-12-29 at 22:21, L. Sicinius Drusus wrote:

> Now where did I say someone has to be a part of the Religio?
> I Advised against ignoring it, not a word about joining the Religio.

Salvete,
you never did say such a thing. You recommended being part of the
religio. I said that you don't have to be part of it to enjoy Nova Roma.
The religio might be many people's idea of the purpose of the society,
but it isn't mine. As the new citizen has already said she is a Xtian,
I doubt there is much to be gained by trying to convince her to follow
an alternative religion to her present choice.
So, I was trying to explain that you can still have a lot of fun here
even if the religio isn't your cup of tea. Advising new members to
follow a belief system contrary to their own inclinations when they may
well have joined (as I did) out of a general interest in Roman culture
is not the way to get them to stay here, IMHO.
Pax vobiscum
Gaius Cornelius Severus

Can we not have peace over this issue? The Senator and I came to an
understanding as to what he meant which was already my intention
upon coming to Nova Roma. Can we not let this rest?

Salve amice,

It is always wonderful to see new citizens in Nova Roma. I hope you find what you're looking for amongst us Brandon, and wish you the best of luck, and good times.

Vale.

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G. Iulius Scaurus Ser. Equitio Mercurio Troiano salutem dicit.

Salve, Ser. Equiti.

> Actually, Gentlemen, the thing most cited by people who leave the
>Main List (& for that matter, NR) is bickering. You have been at
>this same argument in public for more than a full day; THIS is the
>sort of thing that drives people off the Main List.
> Take it private. You are repeating yourselves, and it doesn't
>reflect well on either of you or the overall organization. So
>please cease this arguing in public - neither of you is going to
>sway the other, as I have already written you privately. You are
>inflicting you personal disagreement on over 500 other people. If
>you acted this way in any physical locale with an equal number of
>people you would have been ejected by Security long ago.

I've been trying to think of a nice way to say this and I am simply
at a loss. Your computer has a delete key; if you do not like the
thread, delete it. Citizens have the right to discuss any Roman
subject they please on the ML. If this particular discussion seems
boring to you, it is perhaps because you do not understand the
religious or NR-historical issues involved.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salvete Quirites;
Goddess symbols, infant sacrifice, solar worship?; yes & all a
regular part of Pre-Exile Israelite worship.
http://www.arts.ualberta.ca/JHS/reviews/review031/htm
read this review of Mark S. Smiths's "The Origins of Biblical
Monotheism; Israel's Polytheistic Background and the Ugaritic Texts.
(Cambridge University Press)
The reviewer is shocked to admit that the terms
polytheistic/monotheistic may be modern constructs....
valete Pomponia Fabia Vera


, it is perhaps because you do not understand the

> religious or NR-historical issues involved.
>
> Vale.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus

A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
greetings.

I hope you're all well; I'm well.

Firstly, may I congratulate all the successful
candidates for their success, and all the candidates
in general for their candidacy. And also, of course,
thanks to Consul Fortunatus, Tribune Aventina and the
rogators for making the elections happen.

Next, I feel I should make a few comments on the
electoral discussion, being both an original supporter
of the Fabian system and now a rogator-elect. I'm not
seeking to re-start the debate, merely to add some
footnotes.

I'm very glad to see that Senator Sicinius Drusus has
decided not to resign his citizenship. That he is
still able to make worthwhile contributions to Nova
Roma is demonstrated by the passage of the Labienan
gens reform law, in which I detect the influence of
Senator Drusus' proposal on the subject. Moreover, it
is tremendously important for any government to have
opposition, and opposition is something at which the
Senator excels.

It is thus in the spirit of respectful opposition that
I say the following: if the Senator thinks the Fabian
electoral system unfair then I can only conclude that
he would not know a fair electoral system if it walked
up to him and hit him over the head with a sign saying
'I am a fair electoral system'.

Also, it being the duty of an opposition to point out
the government's inconsistencies and vice versa, I
should point out that when the Senator says

> If you bother reading my comments from last summer I
> expressed
> reservations regarding the method that votes were
> going to be counted
> from the start, even when I endorsed the law because
> the good of the
> more historic method of casting votes outweighed the
> bad of some silly
> utopian voting system. I was against the vote
> counting method long
> before candidates were announced, not just after the
> election

he is drastically misrepresenting his own position. I
don't know what he actually thought at that time, but
in this forum he consistently stressed that his
opposition to the Fabian proposal was based on the
fact that it was not tested, not on any strong belief
he had about its content. The following remarks of his
were typical:

"Others stated this concern, not me. I just called
for a test run in a mock election before ANY reform
was passed, and urged that if both of the proposals
worked the Iulian proposal should be adopted as the
option that fits Nova Roma's Constionual mandate."

"Personally I would prefer a more historic system, but
I stand by what I said when I first posted on this
subject.

Our primary need is a system that WORKS.

If this system proves to work in the tests that is an
improvement over the present system. As I said I would
prefer a system without the modern inovation, but I
have no reason to expect one this year. The Senior
Consul and his staff show no signs that they will drop
this inovation."

As you can see, he opposed the system because it was
untested and because it was not entirely historical.
There were citizens who thought carefully about the
vote-counting methods - I remember the thoughtful
comments of Iunius Silanus and Quintius Constantius -
but the Senator was not one of them. His assertion
that he consistently denounced the Fabian system as
unrepresentative and silly is quite false: he is
trying to jump belatedly on the bandwagon and claim to
have been driving it all along.

Before moving on to other matters, I must just comment
on a statement of Curator Pius:

> Senator Drusus, however,
> isn't an elected magistrate, nor has he ever been
> elected by the people
> for any position, in spite of two attempts for
> tribune and one for
> praetor.

To be fair, the reason the Senator was not elected
praetor last year is that after several run-offs he
nobly withdrew from the contest so as not to drag it
out further - so we cannot regard him as having being
rejected by the voters in that case.

Finally, to Tribune Moravia Aventina's concerns about
the Fabian system: I must once again point out an
inconsistency. When proposing her electoral system for
the plebeian assembly recently, the Tribune brushed
aside all suggestions that the system she proposed was
unfair or unrepresentative by emphasising that the
main thing was to get rid off run-off elections. Now
she says that run-offs would have been preferable to
the Fabian system, which anyone who knows anything
about electoral dynamics can readily see is far more
representative than the one she was proposing. I
welcome her conversion to the belief that fairness
without efficiency is better than efficiency without
fairness - I rather wish that it had occurred earlier.

As for her belief that the Fabian system is unfair, I
shall only say that it is not correct, and is based on
a misunderstanding of what the results posted by the
Junior Consul mean - essentially, she has taken two
sets of numbers which represent the same centuries at
different stages of the process and added them
together as if they were different centuries, thus
arriving at a result which looks extremely wonky.
Tribune, if you would like to have another go at
understanding how the system works and why it's fair,
let me know and I'll explain.

This offer is equally open to anyone who is worried
about the fairness of the system.

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A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
greetings.

Just a small addition to Galerius Aurelianus' comment:

> ... others go with a
> fourth name
> indicating place of origin like Hibernicus
> (Irishman)...

Strictly speaking the -icus suffix, when attached to
the name of a place, indicates not that you come from
there but that you have conquered it at least once.
(This became less the rule in the imperial period, but
so did many things.)

And while we're on the subject, I hope Aurelianus
won't mind my pointing out that the ending -ianus
indicates that you have been adopted; for example,
when one Aemilius Paullus was adopted by L. Cornelius
Scipio he became L. Cornelius Scipio Aemilianus.

Neither of these rules are much observed in Nova Roma,
but Fabius Quintilianus has promised to tighten up on
names of new citizens when he becomes censor, so
hopefully we shall see some improvement.

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In a message dated 12/28/03 8:52:46 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com writes:

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/womenofnovaroma
>

Salvete,

Okay, this may sound really petty, but I do not believe so.
I brought up this topic. I was working on this topic.
I had a group created, and was collecting names from people who were showing
interest, I was going to shortly send out invites.
I am more than angry to find that someone took my idea.
Look - credit me if you like the idea because more than one of you have
admitted that this was a good subject I brought up.
This group listed was just created Sunday.
If you aren't going to credit then it's intellectual theft.
Good day.

Valete,

~*~**~ Katie/Seta/Anneia/Ari ~**~*~

~ those who are different change the world those
who are the same keep it that way ~

Thank you to "Master Akane" for allowing me to use this quote in my
signature.
I am not aware of who the originating author is. But it's too true to pass
up.
It's how I feel as well. Enjoy it. :)

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Salve Brandon

You should join the Best gens in all of Nova Roma the gens Galerius!!!
You have already met one of one of our most distinguished members, my cousin F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus. He also lives in Tennessee.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: FrBryanReif@...
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 3:03 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Salve Brandon


Salve Brandon:

Welcome to Nova Roma. It is my hope that you have the fullest experience
possible within the Republic,and in Roman Culture. Please feel free to cantact
me privately with any questions you may have regarding participation within
Nova Roma as a citizen. I do encourage you to find a gens (a Roman family), and
to choose a Roman name, and get involved. Once you have that, and are
approved as a citizen, be sure to vote in the Comitia. Its the best way to be
involved in the Republic. Be sure to read the Constitution, and the Laws recorded
in the Tabularium section of the web-page. Hopefully that will answer any
questions you may have. Its been my experience that everyone on the list, and all
of our leaders and elected officials are willing to, and are exteremely
helpful wigth any and all questions. Its best to contact them privately.

Vale:

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A. Apollonius Cordus wrote:

> A. Apollonius Cordus to all citizens and peregrines,
> greetings.
>
> I hope you're all well; I'm well.
>
> Firstly, may I congratulate all the successful
> candidates for their success, and all the candidates
> in general for their candidacy. And also, of course,
> thanks to Consul Fortunatus, Tribune Aventina and the
> rogators for making the elections happen.
>
> Next, I feel I should make a few comments on the
> electoral discussion, being both an original supporter
> of the Fabian system and now a rogator-elect. I'm not
> seeking to re-start the debate, merely to add some
> footnotes.
>
> I'm very glad to see that Senator Sicinius Drusus has
> decided not to resign his citizenship. That he is
> still able to make worthwhile contributions to Nova
> Roma is demonstrated by the passage of the Labienan
> gens reform law, in which I detect the influence of
> Senator Drusus' proposal on the subject. Moreover, it
> is tremendously important for any government to have
> opposition, and opposition is something at which the
> Senator excels.

You can forget about getting any oppositution or anything else from me
unless the government attempts to do something that affects the Religio.
I Didn't join this organization to play some role playing game. As long
as this "modern 21st Century micronation" game continues I intend to
give it the lack of attention it deserves and ignore the whole silly
mess. My attention will be directed towards the Religio and the intrests
of the Corporation that the Religio is part of.

I Said I would be rethinking my role in this organization and I meant
it. I Wash my hands of the game the micronation has turned into. Play
all you wish.

L. Sicinius Drusus

Salvete,

As Pontifex Maximus, and with the agreement of the Collegium Pontificum, I
hereby set the date for the Compitalia to be Saturday, January 4, 2004. The
Compitalia is the festival honoring the Lares Compitales the "Lares of the
Crossroads.

At this time I also set the dates for the Sementivae - the festival of Tellus
will be on Saturday, January 24, 2004, and the festival of Ceres will be on
Monday, February 2nd, 2004.

It sincere hope that these festivals will be celebrated at the Larariums of
those Citizens of Nova Roma who practice the Religio Romana, so that due honor
will be done to the Gods at these important traditional times.

Valete,

Marcus Cassius Julianus
Pontifex Maximus


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Salve Brandon you have just learned the first lesson of higher education that is NOVA ROMA.

People do not always play nice.

Some more thought for the day:

Keep you friends close but keep your enemies closer
No good deed ever goes unpunished
In the political area in Nova Roma if you want a friend, buy a dog.

The vast majority of Nova Romans are a pleasure to deal with even the ones who have periodic political fights.
I hope you enjoy you next 40 50 years with us.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: Brandon
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 6:02 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Pax Romanus! Enough!


Can we not have peace over this issue? The Senator and I came to an
understanding as to what he meant which was already my intention
upon coming to Nova Roma. Can we not let this rest?





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Gentlemen, Please!

I for one am a great admirer of you both: Iulius Scaurus for his
scholarly erudition and the fascinating weblinks he provides, and
Servius Troianus for his eloquence and compassion.

How lamentable to witness something less than gentlemanly accord
between two of the great minds and hearts in NR. Both of you are
such an asset! Agree to disagree if you must, but do know, both of
you, that you are both deeply admired and respected.

We have all too recently seen what treacherous ground is underfoot
when words of other than the utmost civility are exchanged. Allow
this one small citizen who has no allegience except her love for all
that is Rome to implore you both to refrain from any bitter words ad
hominem before they be uttered! Please stop to think how many of us
out here whom you will likely never meet look up to you both with
admiration.

Let this one voice crying in the wilderness ask you to find it
within your hearts to rise above discord and once again regale your
farflung readers with your scholarship and eloquence. You are both
great beacons of light and are much treasured as fountains of wisdom
and wit.

Sincerely,

-- Sabina Cornelia Mima Polyglottos





-- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Rose <gfr@w...> wrote:

> G. Iulius Scaurus Ser. Equitio Mercurio Troiano salutem dicit.
>
> Salve, Ser. Equiti.
>
> > Actually, Gentlemen, the thing most cited by people who leave

the

> >Main List (& for that matter, NR) is bickering. You have been at
> >this same argument in public for more than a full day; THIS is

the

> >sort of thing that drives people off the Main List.
> > Take it private. You are repeating yourselves, and it doesn't
> >reflect well on either of you or the overall organization. So
> >please cease this arguing in public - neither of you is going to
> >sway the other, as I have already written you privately. You are
> >inflicting you personal disagreement on over 500 other people.

If

> >you acted this way in any physical locale with an equal number of
> >people you would have been ejected by Security long ago.
>
> I've been trying to think of a nice way to say this and I am

simply

> at a loss. Your computer has a delete key; if you do not like the
> thread, delete it. Citizens have the right to discuss any Roman
> subject they please on the ML. If this particular discussion

seems

> boring to you, it is perhaps because you do not understand the
> religious or NR-historical issues involved.
>
> Vale.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus

Salve Romans

We have discussed in the past a NR summer camp for kids and we are still working on that. But a thought came to me the other day in a phone conversation with a fellow Nova Roman. He said one of the reasons for so much
in-fighting on the main list was simple, we have very few face to face meetings and really do not know each other
very well.

So how about an Adult Nova Roma summer camp we could hold it for say the four weeks in say July or in the fall or Spring? Whenever? People could come for a week or two or just a few days, depending on the work or school schedule as well as finances. We could do a youth hostel like approach to keep cost down and within most budgets. Because it would last 4 four weeks a lot of Nova Romans could come and meet each other, and discover to their utter amazement the so and so doesn't really have two heads.

so what do you think?

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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I do not know about a four-week camp, but I would
support a one-week full Roman encampment/gathering.
It would give us all time to meet in person on a large
scale, plus soldiers could do soldierly things,
artists, priests, etc could have their workshops, and
we could even watch the Senate debate issues in
person. In reality, a one-week camp would be very
easy to put together if enough interest was generated,
and even though for most it would mean taking a week
vacation from the macronation, it would be worth it.

Marcus Scipio Africanus,
Tribunus Augusticlavii et Militum


--- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:

> Salve Romans
>
> We have discussed in the past a NR summer camp for
> kids and we are still working on that. But a
> thought came to me the other day in a phone
> conversation with a fellow Nova Roman. He said one
> of the reasons for so much
> in-fighting on the main list was simple, we have
> very few face to face meetings and really do not
> know each other
> very well.
>
> So how about an Adult Nova Roma summer camp we could
> hold it for say the four weeks in say July or in the
> fall or Spring? Whenever? People could come for a
> week or two or just a few days, depending on the
> work or school schedule as well as finances. We
> could do a youth hostel like approach to keep cost
> down and within most budgets. Because it would last
> 4 four weeks a lot of Nova Romans could come and
> meet each other, and discover to their utter
> amazement the so and so doesn't really have two
> heads.
>
> so what do you think?
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>

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Salve Marcus Scipio Africanus,

The reason I suggest four weeks is that people could come and go as the could based on their own schedule. Some could come he first week or the lastwhile other could only come for a few days. If we make if as flexible as possible we might be able to draw over the time of the camp a large percent of NR.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: Shane Evans
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Adult SummerCamp


I do not know about a four-week camp, but I would
support a one-week full Roman encampment/gathering.
It would give us all time to meet in person on a large
scale, plus soldiers could do soldierly things,
artists, priests, etc could have their workshops, and
we could even watch the Senate debate issues in
person. In reality, a one-week camp would be very
easy to put together if enough interest was generated,
and even though for most it would mean taking a week
vacation from the macronation, it would be worth it.

Marcus Scipio Africanus,
Tribunus Augusticlavii et Militum


--- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
> Salve Romans
>
> We have discussed in the past a NR summer camp for
> kids and we are still working on that. But a
> thought came to me the other day in a phone
> conversation with a fellow Nova Roman. He said one
> of the reasons for so much
> in-fighting on the main list was simple, we have
> very few face to face meetings and really do not
> know each other
> very well.
>
> So how about an Adult Nova Roma summer camp we could
> hold it for say the four weeks in say July or in the
> fall or Spring? Whenever? People could come for a
> week or two or just a few days, depending on the
> work or school schedule as well as finances. We
> could do a youth hostel like approach to keep cost
> down and within most budgets. Because it would last
> 4 four weeks a lot of Nova Romans could come and
> meet each other, and discover to their utter
> amazement the so and so doesn't really have two
> heads.
>
> so what do you think?
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>


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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Decimus Iunius Silanus
<danedwardsuk@y...> wrote:

> Salvete,

Ave Decime Iuni,

> Before I depart for cold and wintery Gaul;

Winter? That isn't winter! :-) New Year's in Paris is hardly a
hardship, lucky bastard.

> A very special thank you to Decius Iunius Palladius,
> one of the real gentlemen of Nova Roma. The support
> this man has given me since day one of my citizenship
> has been immeasurable. You make me proud to call
> myself a Iunian. It too has been a pleasure working
> with you this year.

You embarass me with this praise. It has been my pleasure to work
with you. Thank you for your hard work and your friendship. I hope
you will continue to serve Nova Roma, the Republic needs more people
like you.

> And of course a thank you to all who supported my
> candidacy for Praetor. I must say it was quite a
> humbling experience to receive such support from such
> a respectable bunch of Romans :-)

You're welcome. And don't give up, it took Arminius two tries but he
hung in there.

Vale,

Palladius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@c...>
wrote:

> Salve, Decius Iunius Palladius -

Salve Cai Minuci,

> > Well, I for one do disagree. Why would you say the current
>>climate is different and what exactly do you mean by that?

> I mean that my Romanitas and that of others, whatever their
>religion, is not "window dressing"; there are many reasons why
>someone would join NR besides the Religio - and, unless I'm
>mistaken, this is the way most of us want it to be. Admittedly, this
>is my own perception rather than
> anything based on hard numbers, but I believe I'm correct in this.
>
> > Most new posters and
> > people who join still seem to be pagans of one variety or the

other,

> > judging by their introductory posts. That is natural considering

the

> > nature of this organization.
>
> I'm not sure that I'd quantify it as "most", but given those intro

posts

> and that my own spiritual direction can be generally described as

pagan,

> I'd say that there are certainly a number of pagans here (not that
> "pagan" is necessarily identical with RR.) However, there are also
>many practitioners of other religions - or no religion at all - and
> relegating them to some sort of secondary status would be wrong.

On this we agree. I in no way intended my words to discourage others
to join or for them to think they will be treated as second class
citizens.

> > I *would* agree that the Religio gets less attention than it

should

> > and that is the fault of *all* of us. Politics and bickering

between

> > various personalities seem to take up far too much of our time

these

> > days. This drives a lot of the people here for the Religio to

other

> > lists. Politics can't be avoided but that shouldn't make us

forget

> > the Religio, which should be central to every aspect of Nova

Roman

> > life.
>
> I certainly have no disagreement with the Religio in any way, and
>would protect it as strongly as anyone if it came under attack. My
>opinion, however, is that _all_ religions here deserve that same
>protection, and none deserve disparagement.
>Perhaps making that inclusivity explicit
> would bring more people back to this list, and avoid some of the
> conflict you've noted.

I believe then we're in agreement on most points. I certainly agree
that no religion deserves disparagment and also agree that a focus on
inclusivity is a worthwhile goal. However, one cannot give all
religions the same legal protection as the RR as it is protected as
the state religion. All should be treated with respect but it is also
clear that one has a preeminent place in Nova Roma.

Vale,

Palladius

Salve, Decius Iunius Palladius -

On Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 07:11:47AM -0000, deciusiunius wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@c...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I certainly have no disagreement with the Religio in any way, and
> >would protect it as strongly as anyone if it came under attack. My
> >opinion, however, is that _all_ religions here deserve that same
> >protection, and none deserve disparagement.
> >Perhaps making that inclusivity explicit
> > would bring more people back to this list, and avoid some of the
> > conflict you've noted.
>
> I believe then we're in agreement on most points. I certainly agree
> that no religion deserves disparagment and also agree that a focus on
> inclusivity is a worthwhile goal. However, one cannot give all
> religions the same legal protection as the RR as it is protected as
> the state religion. All should be treated with respect but it is also
> clear that one has a preeminent place in Nova Roma.

I think my phrasing was a bit muddy; you're correct, of course. You've
expressed my meaning perfectly, saving me the trouble. Thank you. :)


Optime vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Arte et Marte.
With peaceful effort and warlike feats.
-- N/A

Salve F. Galeri Aur. Sec.,

I'm not going to touch the matter of magistrates and the religio
since that has finally died down, just a few historical notes.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a... wrote:
> F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to the Illustrious Senator L.
Sicinius Drusus et al. Salve.

> According to the Constitution of Nova Roma, we honor and give
>respect to the traditions and practices of Old Rome from Her
>founding to the Removal of the Altar of Victory. As such, asking a
>Roman Catholic Priest, an Episcopalian Priest (or any other
>Protestant Christian), a Moslem Clergy Person, a Buddhist Monk, or
>any other modern spiritual leader about honoring pagan deities with
>publicly required oaths and duties may not be appropriate. None of
>these faiths existed at the time the Altar was removed. Only two or
>three of the major Christian Ecumenical Councils had been held at
>that time so Christianity as we know it did not >exist.

That's like saying that since Roman citizenship hadn't yet been
granted to all free men in the empire in 70 AD, Roman citizenship did
not yet exist. It's a non sequitur. While I am not a Catholic and I
do not believe in any of the theological underpinings behind it,
historically the Catholic Church claims its descent to the 1st
century from Peter (Tu es Petrus, etc). Even if one doesn't accecpt
that claim, the Nicene Creed did exist at the time of the removal of
the Altar, which was then and still the heart of Catholicism and the
germ of what "orthodox" xtians had believed for centuries before that
(but written down by the catholic church at the council in its battle
against Arianism).


> Now if you want to ask an Arian, Nestorian, or Monophysite
>Christian Priest for advice about this subject then that might be
>appropriate.

Monophysitism and Nestorianism are from the 5th century, aren't they?
After the removal of the Altar and after the Nicene creed and the RC
church?

Vale,

Palladius

Salve citizen Cordus,

<When proposing her electoral system for
<the plebeian assembly recently, the Tribune brushed
<aside all suggestions that the system she proposed was
<unfair or unrepresentative by emphasising that the
<main thing was to get rid off run-off elections.

Brushed aside? Nope. I think that I answered about 20 emails from you on the subject. Don't
misunderstand boredom with having to read your long emails legalese emails which just repeated
themselves and the need for me to repeat myself in response 20 times for 'brushing aside'. In any
case, even after your many long repetitive emails urging all Plebeians to vote no, the CPT voted
yes. Sometimes you win citizen and sometimes you don't.

And my system worked with each Tribune winning at least 18 Tribes which is the majority. The
citizens winning the most Tribes votes won. There was no shuffling around of votes...

<Now she says that run-offs would have been preferable to
<the Fabian system, which anyone who knows anything
about electoral dynamics can readily see is far more
representative than the one she was proposing.

Ok I'll say it for the 21st time. We had 5 run-offs and we *still* did not get a 5th Tribune
elected in 2756. That is simply intolerable. An election for Consul would never have 5 unfruitful
run-offs because there is more interest and the entire citizenship votes.

<Tribune, if you would like to have another go at
<understanding how the system works and why it's fair,
<let me know and I'll explain.

No thank you citizen. I understand the system completely.

Vale,
Diana Moravia
Tribunus Plebis


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In a message dated 12/30/03 5:12:25 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com writes:

> Because it would last 4 four weeks a lot of Nova Romans could come and
> meet each other, and discover to their utter amazement the so and so doesn't
> really have two heads.
>
> so what do you think?
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>

Salvette
Yes , I'm all for that . what about a NR summer camp all ages welcome. A
family area im sure is very arrangeable . I honestly I dropped off the Summer
camp list cause there was a period of extreme silence . I would be very
interested in helping get it up and running.

So I had better get back on .

Prima Fabia Drusila
Legatus Regionis Occidentalis
(Indiana ,Illinois, )


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Palladius:

Yes, I believe so. When you say RC church I assume you are refering to the Roman Catholic? The line that divides the Orthodox and the Roman Church was not as drastic back then, for the most part East and West were united - at least on paper.

The official schism didn't take place until 1054, although there was a previous schism prior to that. After the final break-up in 1054 East and West never recovered their unity (unless you take into consideration the Uniate Church's which compose the Byzantine rite).

The Monophysites became the Coptic/Ethiopian Church and the Nestorians the Syrian and Syro-Indian Church.

Interestingly the modern Orthodox and the Coptic Church have been involved in theological dialogues and the monophysite "heresy" seems perhaps to be more of a misunderstanding than an actual theological problem.

Vale;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 12/30/2003 2:58:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, bcatfd@... writes:

> Monophysitism and Nestorianism are from the 5th century, aren't they?
> After the removal of the Altar and after the Nicene creed
> and the RC
> church?

Salvete,
I get Digest and I can not delete a single message . Ever time there is a
huge uproar I'm held hostage cause the best I can do is scroll down . I reset 3
days ago and it has yet to go to singe message so I can DELETE !

Why do I get digest cause there is so much mail . That is why i didn't
change the header to stress that point.

Sure this is a public list and yes you have a right to shout insult and
demean. You also have a right/privlige to forgive and go on . I have a right to
say enough when you don't .

When people who never post are asking it to stop ( and its ignored no matter
what the subject ) take it as a sure sign: the Horse is dead and done to dust.

Please there are some things that are always going to stir up flames . It is
easy to write so much anger and hate until you can break bread and share wine
and salt with someone.

the Gods willing and the fates are kind I will do that with many of you over
the years.

Prima Fabia Drusila
Legatus Regionis Occidentalis
(Indiana ,Illinois, )


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Salve Brandon,
Welcome to NR.
Vale,
Justinian

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "O. Flavius Pompeius"
<octavianusflaviuspompeius@y...> wrote:

>
> Salve amice,
>
> It is always wonderful to see new citizens in Nova Roma. I hope you

find what you're looking for amongst us Brandon, and wish you the
best of luck, and good times.

>
> Vale.
>
> O. Flavius Pompeius
>
>
>
>
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Ha-ha, ho-ho, hee-hee. You are so punderful and entertaining. Centurion, tie this fellow to a tree and whip him with a wet piece of lagana until he just screams. You are completely Mushug'ginah.

F Gal Aur Sec

Ex Officio
Caius Flavius Diocletianus et Marcus Octavius Germanicus Censores

I. Based on the Consitution of Nova Roma, Par. IV.A.1.d., and the Lex
Vedia Senatoria, Par. II., the following citizens are added to the
Album Senatorium:

Decimus Iunius Silanus, Propraetor Britanniae
Franciscus Apulus Caesar, Propraetor Italiae

II. This Edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given Dec 30 in the year of the consulship of Caeso Fabius
Quintilianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus, 2756 AUC.

Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Censor

Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Censor


Post Scriptum:

This, citizens, is my last public action during my 2-years term of
office. it was a pleasure to serve both you and the res publica. It
was also a pleasure to work together with my colleagues, Lucius
Equitius Cincinnatus and Marcus Octavius Germanicus. Best wishes to
you and a happy new year 2757 AUC.

Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Censor

Salve Brandon,
I truly like your way of thinking.
Many prefer peace to arguing as my adopted father Mercurius will
advocate. Unfortunately, no matter how much one goes out on a limb
to try and quell the heat or suggest it be taken off list and
private, the bickering flows over to the main list just the same.
As jaded as this will sound, many of us have learned to just ignore
it or delete it.
Maybe this has not been the most intelligent action taken but there
are some good discussions to be found on this list also.
Just wait till election time for some real interesting verbal
reparte, lol.
I look forward to hearing more from you,
Vale,
Justinian

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Brandon" <cagneyfan@y...> wrote:
> Can we not have peace over this issue? The Senator and I came to an
> understanding as to what he meant which was already my intention
> upon coming to Nova Roma. Can we not let this rest?

Salvete Omnes,

During the Republican period of Roma what public policies should or
shouldn't be were openly discussed in the Forum, and the so called
bickering was a discussion of the public policies of the Religio Romana.
Is open discussion going to be another of the things that aren't "the
Best of Rome" in the Modern Micronation game? I really don't care how
they run that game anymore, but I don't intend to stand by and let
people censor the Religio from this list.

If someone prefers boring posts devoid of content there is a Taverna
Role Playing Game in Nova Roma. You might find that list more to your
liking than this one.

L. Sicinius Drusus

Trajan Justinian wrote:

> Salve Brandon,
> I truly like your way of thinking.
> Many prefer peace to arguing as my adopted father Mercurius will
> advocate. Unfortunately, no matter how much one goes out on a limb
> to try and quell the heat or suggest it be taken off list and
> private, the bickering flows over to the main list just the same.
> As jaded as this will sound, many of us have learned to just ignore
> it or delete it.
> Maybe this has not been the most intelligent action taken but there
> are some good discussions to be found on this list also.
> Just wait till election time for some real interesting verbal
> reparte, lol.
> I look forward to hearing more from you,
> Vale,
> Justinian
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Brandon" <cagneyfan@y...> wrote:
> > Can we not have peace over this issue? The Senator and I came to an
> > understanding as to what he meant which was already my intention
> > upon coming to Nova Roma. Can we not let this rest?
>
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F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to L. Cornelius Cicero. Salve.

Welcome to Nova Roma. It is always good to see another Cornelia on the list as that is a very worthy gens. Please be sure to post some of your personal interests--cooking, history, brewing, philosophy, religious studies, military studies, forming oppidia/municipia--and what province you reside in so that you might be able to make more contacts with other citizens. The year 2757 AUC promises to be the year that Nova Roma begins to move off the internet and into the physical world. If you find other citizens in your area and begin to communicate with them, you might find it of interest to hold a convivium, symposium, or collegia (informal, unofficial gatherings) in your area. If there is anything that I can do to assist you, please do not hesitate to contact me on the mainlist or privately at the email listed on my NR profile. May the Gods grant you all that is appropriate, fortunate, and happy. Vale.

F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to Brandon. Salve.

Nova Romans can be a little conservative and it takes some time for some folks to calm down after they have gotten their backs up. Don't worry about it. It is much like a certain Senator's diatribes; full of sound and fury and signifying nothing. Relax. Have a nice cup of Falnerian. Read some Ovid. May the Gods grant you good health and fortune. Vale.

F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to Apollonius Cordus. Salve.

You are correct in that the -icus could indicate that a Roman conquered some place but it is most likely to indicate that a Roman may have fought a certain group of people. For instance, Germanicus (relation of Tiberius) did not actually conquer Germany and Claudius Gothicus did not actually conquer the Goths; both men defeated Germans or Goths in battle. A person could style themselves Hibernicus if they fought some Scotian Pirates off the coast of Armorica.
Adoption was as legitimate a method of gaining entry into a noble family as birth was even during the Republic. Many fortune seekers did go that route, too.
I look forward to seeing more posts of this sort on the list as I find them very instructive and helpful.
Vale.

Salvete Illustrus Diocletianus et Senatoribus et Omnes,
what a wonderful news!!! I'm very very happy! :-))
Thank you very much, you made me an happy man. I hope to honorate my
new toga and the illustrus title given me by the Res Publica.

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senator

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Caius Flavius Diocletianus"
<cfd@d...> wrote:

>
> Ex Officio
> Caius Flavius Diocletianus et Marcus Octavius Germanicus Censores
>
> I. Based on the Consitution of Nova Roma, Par. IV.A.1.d., and the

Lex

> Vedia Senatoria, Par. II., the following citizens are added to the
> Album Senatorium:
>
> Decimus Iunius Silanus, Propraetor Britanniae
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar, Propraetor Italiae
>
> II. This Edictum becomes effective immediately.
>
> Given Dec 30 in the year of the consulship of Caeso Fabius
> Quintilianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus, 2756 AUC.
>
> Caius Flavius Diocletianus
> Censor
>
> Marcus Octavius Germanicus
> Censor
>
>
> Post Scriptum:
>
> This, citizens, is my last public action during my 2-years term of
> office. it was a pleasure to serve both you and the res publica.

It

> was also a pleasure to work together with my colleagues, Lucius
> Equitius Cincinnatus and Marcus Octavius Germanicus. Best wishes

to

> you and a happy new year 2757 AUC.
>
> Caius Flavius Diocletianus
> Censor

Ooh. Does this mean that the Illustrious Senator Drusus will confine himself only to annoying the majority of us on topics relating to the Religio? Will it cut down on his superfluous and outrageous innuendoes, insinuations, and accusations?

I hope so, but I seriously doubt it.

F Gal Aur Sec

I would rather be the dog of an upright man than the consular colleague of a hypocritical, opportunistic rogue.

Quote for the Day.

F Gal Aur Sec

Trollin' trollin' trollin'
Trollin' trollin' trollin'
Trollin' trollin' trollin'
Trollin' trollin' trollin' rawhide...

Trollin' trollin' trollin'
Though the lists are swollin'
Keep them dogies trollin', rawhide

PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:

> Ooh. Does this mean that the Illustrious Senator Drusus will confine
> himself only to annoying the majority of us on topics relating to the
> Religio? Will it cut down on his superfluous and outrageous
> innuendoes, insinuations, and accusations?
>
> I hope so, but I seriously doubt it.
>
> F Gal Aur Sec

Dear Cousin:

I encourage the idea of public gatherings. I am working to establish meetings in my area based on the convivium, syposium, and collegia. I believe that we should endeavor to establish provincial Roman Days events about twice a year starting out with one day and weekend events and building up until we can have a 7-14 day continental Roman Gathering. Let us make haste slowly and alway remember that today's mighty oak is just yesterday's small nut. Vale.

Flavi Galeri

Trollin' trollin' trollin'
Trollin' trollin' trollin'
Trollin' trollin' trollin'
Trollin' trollin' trollin' rawhide...

Trollin' trollin' trollin'
Though the lists are swollin'
Keep them dogies trollin', rawhide

PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:

> F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to Brandon. Salve.
>
> Nova Romans can be a little conservative and it takes some time for
> some folks to calm down after they have gotten their backs up. Don't
> worry about it. It is much like a certain Senator's diatribes; full
> of sound and fury and signifying nothing. Relax. Have a nice cup of
> Falnerian. Read some Ovid. May the Gods grant you good health and
> fortune. Vale.

> If someone prefers boring posts devoid of content there is a

Taverna

> Role Playing Game in Nova Roma. You might find that list more to

your

> liking than this one.

I'm sure you meant "They" might find that list more to "Their" liking.
Please do not try to play your word games on me and twist my meaning.
I'll give you back more than you bargain for so please go back
to "ignoring" my posts the way you have done since the begining.
Nowhere in my post was the best of NR in the Modern Micronation game
meantioned. People can discuss with differing oppinions without
stooping to bickering. Stick to the point.

This will be you usual opening to bring up straw men and yipping
poodles to try and prove a point that was never in question to begin
with.
Go away if you have nothing to contribute to a discussion; I am not
interested in your negative poisonous forked tongue contaminating my
posts - stick to facts and policy and politics which are your more
admirable qualities.



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus" <drusus@b...>
wrote:

> Salvete Omnes,
>
> During the Republican period of Roma what public policies should or
> shouldn't be were openly discussed in the Forum, and the so called
> bickering was a discussion of the public policies of the Religio

Romana.

> Is open discussion going to be another of the things that

aren't "the

> Best of Rome" in the Modern Micronation game? I really don't care

how

> they run that game anymore, but I don't intend to stand by and let
> people censor the Religio from this list.
>
> If someone prefers boring posts devoid of content there is a

Taverna

> Role Playing Game in Nova Roma. You might find that list more to

your

> liking than this one.
>
> L. Sicinius Drusus
>
> Trajan Justinian wrote:
>
> > Salve Brandon,
> > I truly like your way of thinking.
> > Many prefer peace to arguing as my adopted father Mercurius will
> > advocate. Unfortunately, no matter how much one goes out on a

limb

> > to try and quell the heat or suggest it be taken off list and
> > private, the bickering flows over to the main list just the same.
> > As jaded as this will sound, many of us have learned to just

ignore

> > it or delete it.
> > Maybe this has not been the most intelligent action taken but

there

> > are some good discussions to be found on this list also.
> > Just wait till election time for some real interesting verbal
> > reparte, lol.
> > I look forward to hearing more from you,
> > Vale,
> > Justinian
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Brandon" <cagneyfan@y...>

wrote:

> > > Can we not have peace over this issue? The Senator and I came

to an

> > > understanding as to what he meant which was already my intention
> > > upon coming to Nova Roma. Can we not let this rest?
> >
> >
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PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... wrote:

> Dear Cousin:
>
> I encourage the idea of public gatherings.

Why?

So you can be a boor in person rather than via a mailing list?

You are the one that started the spin campaign by attempting to dismiss
a thread over the Religio's place in Nova Roma as "bickering". If you
don't like a topic no one is forcing you to read it. You can delete any
posts on a thread you aren't intrested in without reading them.

Trajan Justinian wrote:

> > If someone prefers boring posts devoid of content there is a
> Taverna
> > Role Playing Game in Nova Roma. You might find that list more to
> your
> > liking than this one.
>
> I'm sure you meant "They" might find that list more to "Their" liking.
> Please do not try to play your word games on me and twist my meaning.
> I'll give you back more than you bargain for so please go back
> to "ignoring" my posts the way you have done since the begining.
> Nowhere in my post was the best of NR in the Modern Micronation game
> meantioned. People can discuss with differing oppinions without
> stooping to bickering. Stick to the point.
>
> This will be you usual opening to bring up straw men and yipping
> poodles to try and prove a point that was never in question to begin
> with.
> Go away if you have nothing to contribute to a discussion; I am not
> interested in your negative poisonous forked tongue contaminating my
> posts - stick to facts and policy and politics which are your more
> admirable qualities.
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus" <drusus@b...>
> wrote:
> > Salvete Omnes,
> >
> > During the Republican period of Roma what public policies should or
> > shouldn't be were openly discussed in the Forum, and the so called
> > bickering was a discussion of the public policies of the Religio
> Romana.
> > Is open discussion going to be another of the things that
> aren't "the
> > Best of Rome" in the Modern Micronation game? I really don't care
> how
> > they run that game anymore, but I don't intend to stand by and let
> > people censor the Religio from this list.
> >
> > If someone prefers boring posts devoid of content there is a
> Taverna
> > Role Playing Game in Nova Roma. You might find that list more to
> your
> > liking than this one.
> >
> > L. Sicinius Drusus
> >
> > Trajan Justinian wrote:
> >
> > > Salve Brandon,
> > > I truly like your way of thinking.
> > > Many prefer peace to arguing as my adopted father Mercurius will
> > > advocate. Unfortunately, no matter how much one goes out on a
> limb
> > > to try and quell the heat or suggest it be taken off list and
> > > private, the bickering flows over to the main list just the same.
> > > As jaded as this will sound, many of us have learned to just
> ignore
> > > it or delete it.
> > > Maybe this has not been the most intelligent action taken but
> there
> > > are some good discussions to be found on this list also.
> > > Just wait till election time for some real interesting verbal
> > > reparte, lol.
> > > I look forward to hearing more from you,
> > > Vale,
> > > Justinian
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Brandon" <cagneyfan@y...>
> wrote:
> > > > Can we not have peace over this issue? The Senator and I came
> to an
> > > > understanding as to what he meant which was already my intention
> > > > upon coming to Nova Roma. Can we not let this rest?
> > >
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Salve Illustri Senatores Decimus Iunius Silanus et Franciscus Apulus Caesar!

My very warm Congratulations to your apointment to the Senate! I am
sure that You both will do a great job there. Nova Roma will rejoice,
the Res Publica has gained two more very good Senatores!! I will wait
for You in the door of the Curia to welcome You!

>Ex Officio
>Caius Flavius Diocletianus et Marcus Octavius Germanicus Censores
>
>I. Based on the Consitution of Nova Roma, Par. IV.A.1.d., and the Lex
>Vedia Senatoria, Par. II., the following citizens are added to the
>Album Senatorium:
>
>Decimus Iunius Silanus, Propraetor Britanniae
>Franciscus Apulus Caesar, Propraetor Italiae
>
>II. This Edictum becomes effective immediately.
>
>Given Dec 30 in the year of the consulship of Caeso Fabius
>Quintilianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus, 2756 AUC.
>
>Caius Flavius Diocletianus
>Censor
>
>Marcus Octavius Germanicus
>Censor

Salve Illustri Caius Flavius Diocletianus!

Thank You for a very good job! I sincerly hope that You will have
some rest now, but still hope that You will find time to continue to
serve the Res Publica also in the future!

>
>Post Scriptum:
>
>This, citizens, is my last public action during my 2-years term of
>office. it was a pleasure to serve both you and the res publica. It
>was also a pleasure to work together with my colleagues, Lucius
>Equitius Cincinnatus and Marcus Octavius Germanicus. Best wishes to
>you and a happy new year 2757 AUC.
>
>Caius Flavius Diocletianus
>Censor
>
>
>
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Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Consul et Senator
Propraetor Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Cohors Consulis CFQ
http://www.insulaumbra.com/cohors_consulis_cfq/
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

There you go again.
Please learn to read. A portion of the post was about bickering,
nothing about the religio.
Not everyone is an unsatisfied bitter old man with a grudge against
the world and happy people - now, as for my part this conversation is
no longer open for discussion - go away, you are dismissed, i have no
tollerance for you and wish to read interesting, informative and
constructive posts.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus" <drusus@b...>
wrote:

> You are the one that started the spin campaign by attempting to

dismiss

> a thread over the Religio's place in Nova Roma as "bickering". If

you

> don't like a topic no one is forcing you to read it. You can delete

any

> posts on a thread you aren't intrested in without reading them.
>
> Trajan Justinian wrote:
>
> > > If someone prefers boring posts devoid of content there is a
> > Taverna
> > > Role Playing Game in Nova Roma. You might find that list more to
> > your
> > > liking than this one.
> >
> > I'm sure you meant "They" might find that list more to "Their"

liking.

> > Please do not try to play your word games on me and twist my

meaning.

> > I'll give you back more than you bargain for so please go back
> > to "ignoring" my posts the way you have done since the begining.
> > Nowhere in my post was the best of NR in the Modern Micronation

game

> > meantioned. People can discuss with differing oppinions without
> > stooping to bickering. Stick to the point.
> >
> > This will be you usual opening to bring up straw men and yipping
> > poodles to try and prove a point that was never in question to

begin

> > with.
> > Go away if you have nothing to contribute to a discussion; I am

not

> > interested in your negative poisonous forked tongue contaminating

my

> > posts - stick to facts and policy and politics which are your more
> > admirable qualities.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Sicinius Drusus"

<drusus@b...>

> > wrote:
> > > Salvete Omnes,
> > >
> > > During the Republican period of Roma what public policies

should or

> > > shouldn't be were openly discussed in the Forum, and the so

called

> > > bickering was a discussion of the public policies of the Religio
> > Romana.
> > > Is open discussion going to be another of the things that
> > aren't "the
> > > Best of Rome" in the Modern Micronation game? I really don't

care

> > how
> > > they run that game anymore, but I don't intend to stand by and

let

> > > people censor the Religio from this list.
> > >
> > > If someone prefers boring posts devoid of content there is a
> > Taverna
> > > Role Playing Game in Nova Roma. You might find that list more to
> > your
> > > liking than this one.
> > >
> > > L. Sicinius Drusus
> > >
> > > Trajan Justinian wrote:
> > >
> > > > Salve Brandon,
> > > > I truly like your way of thinking.
> > > > Many prefer peace to arguing as my adopted father Mercurius

will

> > > > advocate. Unfortunately, no matter how much one goes out on a
> > limb
> > > > to try and quell the heat or suggest it be taken off list and
> > > > private, the bickering flows over to the main list just the

same.

> > > > As jaded as this will sound, many of us have learned to just
> > ignore
> > > > it or delete it.
> > > > Maybe this has not been the most intelligent action taken but
> > there
> > > > are some good discussions to be found on this list also.
> > > > Just wait till election time for some real interesting verbal
> > > > reparte, lol.
> > > > I look forward to hearing more from you,
> > > > Vale,
> > > > Justinian
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Brandon" <cagneyfan@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > > > Can we not have peace over this issue? The Senator and I

came

> > to an
> > > > > understanding as to what he meant which was already my

intention

> > > > > upon coming to Nova Roma. Can we not let this rest?
> > > >
> > > >
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F. Galerius Aurelianus Secundus to Palladius. Salve.

Actually, neighbor, I was just attempting to point out to the Illustrious Senator Drusus that his suggestion was more in keeping with a "21st century micronationalist" than a Roman traditionalist. I never said that a person "must" or "should" do such-and-such, I only said "might", "may", or "could".

In regards to Arianism, Nestorianism, and Monophysitism, these are the current historical labels that are applied to certain Christian doctrines that prolifigated during the first three centuries after Christ's death and resurrection. As I am sure you are aware, the slain and arisen God is common to Mediterranean religion and included Osiris, Tammuz, Dionysios, and a number of other gods. There were some early followers of the Nazarene that used previous pagan/philosophical material and said: he was all spirit and the flesh was an illusion; others said he was all man but a perfect one; some said he was both perfect man and perfect god; some said he was of the same stuff as God and some said he was of similar stuff. Then you have the Gnostic texts and other books that dealt with Christ as a child and a teenager that were not included in the Vulgate of Jerome and the Apocrypha but may have been discarded all together and are known to us only through archaeology or inference.
The Nicene Creed was only a part of the seven major Ecumenical Councils that shaped late Classical/early Medieval Christianity. Constantine the Great needed to have Christianity codified just as the other religions of the Empire had been codified. It made it easier for the Roman Emperor and State to deal with such a divergent religion when there was only one orthodox set of dogmatic and liturgical material. Of course, Christianity is a syncretic religion and adapted the useful calendars, vestments, trappings, rituals, and (in certain cases) thinly disguised Gods of earlier religions.

I personally believe that religion is the personal relationship between a person and the Divine Power of the Universe. Since the Creator is the sum of the Universe and is the Universe, it is impossible for Man to perceive the totality of the Creator. Man is a blessed but finite creation of the Infinite Power of the Creator and Maker of all things. The Creator is both male, female, and neuter; light and dark; tangible and intangible. All things are possible with the Creator. Man and Woman perceive the Creator as through a smoky piece of glass or like the shadows thrown out from the mouth of a cave. We create our religion based on our perceptions of the Creator and the framework of many religions and philosophies that have been created before us. Some find it best for themselves to worship and honor the Creator through a strongly dogmatic and ritualized system of belief that doesn't leave any question unanswered and offers little speculation for the lay person. Others find that a philosophy is sufficient to their purposes of belief and the Creator is not essential to that philosophy. A religion may have one God, a Trinarian God, a God made manifest in the duality of God & Goddess or Good & Evil, a pantheon of greater gods, goddesses, demigods, spirits, and elementals. Some are highly formal and structured while others may be completely without dogma or liturgy.
The most single, important point about religion is that it is based on faith and faith cannot always be argued logically. Since the Creator is all things, in all things, and of all things, then everything that one person or many people can imagine or believe about the Creator is possible. There can be no redundancies or impossibilities; no right or wrong ways; no single true path to the Creator because if we believe strongly in our faith and our relationship with our God/Goddess/Creator/Eternal Fire/Sophia, then it is True to us. It may not be True to someone else and someone else's faith may be completely incomprehesible to us. It is not required that we all believe the same. It is not required by some faiths that we must convert others to our belief; in others conversion is a commandment and tenet of that faith.
Man is currently bound to this verdant little planet and has ventured out beyond it only a little. There could be beings beyond our world that may be so different from us spiritually, physically, or emotionally that even to see or hear them could destroy us physically in a second. However, that may be, might be, or could be, all that we can take with us throughout our lives and into the next is our faith as we move through our time here together. Memory fades, statues break, monuments crumble, paper burns, computers crash; Man was and Man is and Man will be and Man will go away but the Universe will go on. Whatever we believe in will also go on even though there may be no physical trace of us in the far future.
Valete.

I recently discovered a book by T.H. Robsjohn-Gibbings and Carlton
W. Pullin entitled FURNITURE OF CLASSICAL GREECE (Alfred A. Knopf:
New York, 1963)that has some very detailed reproductions of
classical Greek furniture--chairs, stools, couches, tables, and
chests. The details are much better than anything else that I have
seen in THE FURNITURE OF THE ETRUSCANS, GREEKS, AND ROMANS which is
considered by many to be the definitive text on this subject.
If anyone has access to this book and can help me figure out the
pattern for attaching and weaving the thongs, I would greatly
appreciate it.

F Gal Aur Sec

Salvete Omnes,

I am a new member as of today (and, oops!, I think I may have just accidentally sent off half a message - sorry if I have and am
repeating myself.) I have learned heaps already from the list which I have been following over the past week, give or take a few days.

I really want to say that the thumbnail exposition of Latin on the Nova Roma site is the best I have ever seen in my life. Unfortunately it
has put to bed a long running argument (27 years) between my wife an me as to the correct pronunciation of Latin. Felina has always
held to the pronunciation as expounded in the site, whereas my Latin teacher at school was an Italian, with consequent pronunciation.
(v =v; ci = chi etc). I always believed my pronunciation gave Latin a mellifluous italianate euphony; Felina's was more rough (as Sellars
and Yeatman said) Veni, Vedi, Vici was pronounced Weeney, weedy , weaky - and the Ancient Britons hearing this gave up, thinking
he had described them, and thus Iulius Caesar conquered Britain. However, the author of the Latin page's obvious scholarship has
neatly put me in my place, and the crowing goes on...

Incidentally, I live in Adelaide, South Australia, am ancient (53), and am in my last year of Law School... who wants to be a teacher
anyway?

I would like to thank the censors for their acceptance of my application, and I want to particularly thank my Paterfamilias Gentis
Flaviae, Caius Flavius Diocletianus for his most warm and generous welcome to Gens Flavia.

I look forward to lots of fun and learning in Nova Roma. Die dulci fruimini.

Vale,

Marcus Flavius Falco

Salve, F. Galeri -

On Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 05:05:36PM -0000, Patrick D. Owen wrote:
> I recently discovered a book by T.H. Robsjohn-Gibbings and Carlton
> W. Pullin entitled FURNITURE OF CLASSICAL GREECE (Alfred A. Knopf:
> New York, 1963)that has some very detailed reproductions of
> classical Greek furniture--chairs, stools, couches, tables, and
> chests. The details are much better than anything else that I have
> seen in THE FURNITURE OF THE ETRUSCANS, GREEKS, AND ROMANS which is
> considered by many to be the definitive text on this subject.
> If anyone has access to this book and can help me figure out the
> pattern for attaching and weaving the thongs, I would greatly
> appreciate it.

I don't have the book, but I've been doing knots and ropework for quite
a number of years, both as a necessity of sailing and as a hobby. I've
even taught a few classes to other sailors. If you can describe what
sort of a lashing you need - frapped and/or wedged turns and half-hitch
or "forth-and-back" lacing were very commonly used in furniture
construction, as an example - I'd be glad to help you. I can also
recommend Clifford Ashley's "Book of Knots" (your local library will
probably have a copy); it will _definitely_ have whatever sort of
weaving and lashing you need (it contains over 7,000 knots, and is The
Reference in the field. :)


Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate.
Entities should not be multiplied unnecessarily.
-- Principle known as Occam's Razor, "used for example in physics."

Welcome Falco,
When eating crow, best do it quickly.
Nothing worse than cold crow, lol.
It is good to have you at NR,
Vale bene,
Justinian


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcusflaviusfalco"
<astrodog@i...> wrote:

> Salvete Omnes,
>
> I am a new member as of today (and, oops!, I think I may have just

accidentally sent off half a message - sorry if I have and am

> repeating myself.) I have learned heaps already from the list which

I have been following over the past week, give or take a few days.

>
> I really want to say that the thumbnail exposition of Latin on the

Nova Roma site is the best I have ever seen in my life. Unfortunately
it

> has put to bed a long running argument (27 years) between my wife

an me as to the correct pronunciation of Latin. Felina has always

> held to the pronunciation as expounded in the site, whereas my

Latin teacher at school was an Italian, with consequent
pronunciation.

> (v =v; ci = chi etc). I always believed my pronunciation gave Latin

a mellifluous italianate euphony; Felina's was more rough (as Sellars

> and Yeatman said) Veni, Vedi, Vici was pronounced Weeney, weedy ,

weaky - and the Ancient Britons hearing this gave up, thinking

> he had described them, and thus Iulius Caesar conquered Britain.

However, the author of the Latin page's obvious scholarship has

> neatly put me in my place, and the crowing goes on...
>
> Incidentally, I live in Adelaide, South Australia, am ancient (53),

and am in my last year of Law School... who wants to be a teacher

> anyway?
>
> I would like to thank the censors for their acceptance of my

application, and I want to particularly thank my Paterfamilias Gentis

> Flaviae, Caius Flavius Diocletianus for his most warm and generous

welcome to Gens Flavia.

>
> I look forward to lots of fun and learning in Nova Roma. Die dulci

fruimini.

>
> Vale,
>
> Marcus Flavius Falco

Congratulations to our new Senatores!

vale,
Diana Moravia



--- Caius Flavius Diocletianus <cfd@...> wrote:
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Ex Officio
Caius Flavius Diocletianus et Marcus Octavius Germanicus Censores

I. Based on the Consitution of Nova Roma, Par. IV.A.1.d., and the Lex
Vedia Senatoria, Par. II., the following citizens are added to the
Album Senatorium:

Decimus Iunius Silanus, Propraetor Britanniae
Franciscus Apulus Caesar, Propraetor Italiae

II. This Edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given Dec 30 in the year of the consulship of Caeso Fabius
Quintilianus and Titus Labienus Fortunatus, 2756 AUC.

Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Censor

Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Censor


Post Scriptum:

This, citizens, is my last public action during my 2-years term of
office. it was a pleasure to serve both you and the res publica. It
was also a pleasure to work together with my colleagues, Lucius
Equitius Cincinnatus and Marcus Octavius Germanicus. Best wishes to
you and a happy new year 2757 AUC.

Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Censor



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LOL!

I saw the subject and I thought that the adult summer camp meant something similar to an 'adult
movie'.

Vale,
Diana

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Salvete omnes,

I was out last night shopping for post Christmas bargains in Edmonton
when I visited Chapters Books where one can also buy gourmet coffey.
To my pleasant surprise all hard covers were 30% and I found 2 books
in the ancient history section:

1) Greek Fire, Poison Arrows & Scorpion Bombs
Biological and Chemical Warfare in The Ancient World

Adrienne Mayor

(From myth to history, Hercules to Hannibal, battle elephants to
bubonic plague, Greek fire to napalm, here it is told with brio,
irony and outrage - the story of man's genius to turning natural
forces into weapons of mass destruction.) - R. Fagles

Published by overlook Duckworth NY - 2003 ($27.95) US


2)The Oxford Dictionary Of Classical Myth And Religion

A reference guide to the myths and religions of the classical world;
unique in its coverage of both Greek and Roman Myths and religious
life in ancient times and is the first a-z reference work of this
kind.

Published by the Oxford University Press - 2003 ($39.95) US

Iwill take them to the field with me in a few days, read them over
the winter and let you know what I think. Both books are hard covered.
I also whined to the manager about the higher prices of books these
days but he said that as a trend, people are not buying as many books
as they used to so there you go; supply and demand effected by the
internet and 200 + TV channels I suppose! Keep buying.


Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

LOL Would we call this Camp Caligula? ;)


--- Diana Moravia <sacerdosveneris@...> wrote:

> LOL!
>
> I saw the subject and I thought that the adult
> summer camp meant something similar to an 'adult
> movie'.
>
> Vale,
> Diana
>
>

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This was a serious proposal for ADULTS to get together and see each other as humans and not type on a computer screen. It seems we need it more than I thought.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] adult summer camp!!


LOL Would we call this Camp Caligula? ;)


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> I saw the subject and I thought that the adult
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> Vale,
> Diana
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Salve Tiberius,

Ok now that I know what an Adult summer Camp is.

< He said one <of the reasons for so much
<in-fighting on the main list was simple, we have very few face to face meetings and really do not
<know each other very well.

I've said the exact same thing often enough and so I agree with that assessment 100%. The camp
would bring us one step further from breaking out of this virtual world. It may be hard to get
organized but I will leave that up to you Tribune-elect :-)

A question for our European citizens and/or Caeso Fabius: where will the next European Rally take
place? I would love it if it were in Belgium again but its been done already. How about Köln or
the Netherlands?

Vale,
Diana






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That kind of camp would keep the Censors very busy with all of the new
Citizenship applications. ;-)

Drusus

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Salve Drusus,

<That kind of camp would keep the Censors very busy with all of the new
<Citizenship applications. ;-)

LOL! And I could wear bellydancing clothes and be considered one of the most dressed ladies
(joke!!).

Tiberius:
I know that you were dead serious and I support your initiative 100%. Don't mind the jokes! If
there is anything that I can do from my side of the Atlantic to help you achieve this goal, let me
know.

Vale,
Diana

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Citizens!

Our nation has recently been subjected s series of posts in which
grievous insults ad hominem have been cast about.

Needs must a matron intrude to chasten incivility?

Let us all pause to reflect for a moment on what brought us here; a
common love of patria.

Think for a moment of the sensibilities of our new citizens! They
come to us hungering for learning, for culture and conviviality, as
once I came. Most if not all of us are yearning for a haven here
away from the depravities of our prevailing macrocultures.

Respect! Good Sirs! Respect one another as citizens of Rome, and
uphold our nation's dignity!

Welcoming All Our New Citizens,

Sabina Cornelia Mima Polyglottos
(Cranky old Aunt Sabina up on her soapbox again)