Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Dec 31, 2003

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 18995 From: pompeia_cornelia Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Update
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 18996 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Felicem annum novum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 18997 From: Caius Minucius Scaevola Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Update
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 18998 From: Scriboni89@aol.com Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Adult SummerCamp
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 18999 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Update
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19000 From: Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Movies: QVO VADIS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19001 From: Scriboni89@aol.com Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Update
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19002 From: Diana Moravia Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Update
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19003 From: rory12001 Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Simple Lararium rite
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19004 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: In an hour and a half....
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19005 From: Flavia Lucilla Merula Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Felicem annum novum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19006 From: Brandon Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: The Deification Of Emperors (Academic questions)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19007 From: pompeia_cornelia Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Movies: QVO VADIS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19008 From: L. Sicinius Drusus Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: The Deification Of Emperors (Academic questions)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19009 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Movies: QVO VADIS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19010 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Felicem annum novum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19011 From: rory12001 Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Ignoto Deo/other views of G-D
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19012 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Update
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19013 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: New Year
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19014 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Ignoto Deo/other views of G-D
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19015 From: Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Ignoto Deo/other views of G-D
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19016 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: The Deification Of Emperors (Academic questions)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19017 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Update
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19018 From: rory12001 Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Update
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19019 From: rory12001 Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Ignoto Deo/other views of G-D
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19020 From: Fortunatus Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Happy New Year
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19021 From: Lucius Equitius Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1042
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19022 From: pompeia_cornelia Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Movies: QVO VADIS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19023 From: asseri@aol.com Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Seeking Scribia for Regionis Occidentalis( Illinois-Indiana) -Lacu
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19024 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Adult SummerCamp
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19025 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Having returned, sundry remarks
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19026 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Latin Wordlist of Assorted Herbs, Spices, Plants & Misc. Foodstuffs
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19027 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: On this new year



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 18995 From: pompeia_cornelia Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Update
---Salve Equitius Consul:

My prayers and best wishes to your wife. This year's flu outbreak and
strains are quite prolific, even up here in Northern Ontario. The
mild winter, I think has much to do with this. We haven't had a real
serious cold snap yet to kill off all of the viruses.

My very best. Don't worry about Nova Roma. You take care of your
wife, and our Prima Domina :)

Myself, I have been ordered to take either a flu shot, and an
antivirul in order to continue working, as the number of isolated
cases of suspected influenze in our hospital, and related pneumonia's
has risen enough to have the medical officer of health declare the
situation a official 'outbreak'.

Folks, wash your hands, after handling money, public doorknobs, stuff
like that. Good idea to wash your hands after shopping, because who
knows what you might have on your hands. And carry around a small
bottle of nonwater handwash. It is the best defence.

Vale,
Pompeia RN :)



In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@c...> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites,
>
> I hope you are all enjoying your preparations for the
> New Year.
>
> I've been occupied for most of the past two days with
> hospitals, doctors, and waiting. My wife, Paulina
> Gratidia, has a bad case of influenza that has developed
> into pneumonia. She's currently in the hospital, and
> they may keep her for another few days until she is in
> fit shape to go home.
>
> As you might guess, this has prevented me from having
> much computer access. You folks can generate a LOT of
> e-mail in a few days. I had some 240+ Nova Roma related
> messages to wade through this morning, and I was feeling
> lucky that I get some of my groups in digest format,
> or the number would have been over 300.
>
> AT this point, I've read through it all (and deleted
> most of it). Will reply to a few items as time permits.
>
> Valete,
>
> --
> Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 18996 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Felicem annum novum
" We twa hae run aboot the braes and pud the gowans fine,
we wandered monys a weary step since auld lang syne...
For auld lang syne, me dear, for old lang syne...
We'll tak a cup o kindness yet
for twe sak o' auld lang syne"

Barbarian Pictish, but how so true...

Happy New Year Nova Roma!

Q. Fabius Maximus
Proconsul et Senator




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 18997 From: Caius Minucius Scaevola Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Update
Salve, Pompeia Cornelia; salvete, omnes.

On Wed, Dec 31, 2003 at 07:52:25PM -0000, pompeia_cornelia wrote:
>
> Folks, wash your hands, after handling money, public doorknobs, stuff
> like that. Good idea to wash your hands after shopping, because who
> knows what you might have on your hands. And carry around a small
> bottle of nonwater handwash. It is the best defence.

I'd like to reinforce the points made by Pompeia, if I may (my version
of wishing everyone here "health and happiness in the New Year" includes
a self-directed command of "then *do* something positive toward it!" :)
Recent research has established, very clearly, that the most effective
vector of flu, cold, etc. transmission is indeed the hands - coughing
and sneezing are actually fairly minor vectors by comparison. As well,
water-free alcohol-based handwashes are a real boon to prevention - and
now is the time to get into the habit of using them, if you haven't
before.

So... happiness and health to everyone, and my best wishes to Nova Roma
as a whole. May everyone's celebrations be joyful, and may the coming
year see the fullfilment of your dreams - for you and all your loved
ones.


Vale Bene,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Nam et ipsa scientia potestas es.
Knowledge is power.
-- Sir Francis Bacon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 18998 From: Scriboni89@aol.com Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Adult SummerCamp
Salvete,

Lets make it a gathering for ALL AGES! Not just for adults. Minors should
not be left out. I think it a great idea. I would attend for sure.

BENE.VALE.
I.MANERE.IN.AMORA.DI.ROMA.
ET.FORTIS.IN.FIDE.
GNAEVS.SCRIBONIVS.SCRIPTOR.
DI.NOVA.ROMA.ET.LEGIO.XXIV.MA.
ET.LVDVS.MAGNVS.GLADIATORE.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 18999 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Update
Salve Marinus,

My prayers to Aesculapius for her swift recovery.
Please give her my best wishes for a speedy recovery.

This flu has been really bad out here on the Left Coast too, despite
our warmer weather.

Bene Vale
Livia Cornelia Hibernia


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@c...> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites,
>
> I hope you are all enjoying your preparations for the
> New Year.
>
> I've been occupied for most of the past two days with
> hospitals, doctors, and waiting. My wife, Paulina
> Gratidia, has a bad case of influenza that has developed
> into pneumonia. She's currently in the hospital, and
> they may keep her for another few days until she is in
> fit shape to go home.
>
> As you might guess, this has prevented me from having
> much computer access. You folks can generate a LOT of
> e-mail in a few days. I had some 240+ Nova Roma related
> messages to wade through this morning, and I was feeling
> lucky that I get some of my groups in digest format,
> or the number would have been over 300.
>
> AT this point, I've read through it all (and deleted
> most of it). Will reply to a few items as time permits.
>
> Valete,
>
> --
> Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19000 From: Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Movies: QVO VADIS
Can anybody comment on the representation of the public religio portrayed in
that Swords & Sandals classic? Is it close to the mark, or ridiculous?
There's plenty in that movie that is so ridiculous as to be great, like
Nero's song about fire, which is almost up there with the Crazy World of
Arthur Brown.
I am aware that there was a more recent Polish remake of Quo Vadis. does
anybody know if it's available on (region 1) DVD?



>Quo Vadis!! I had almost forgotten about that movie. I loved it as a child.
>...

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19001 From: Scriboni89@aol.com Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Update
Salve Marinus,

I shall pray for you wife. I hope she pulls through.

BENE.VALE.
I.MANERE.IN.AMORA.DI.ROMA.
ET.FORTIS.IN.FIDE.
GNAEVS.SCRIBONIVS.SCRIPTOR.
DI.NOVA.ROMA.ET.LEGIO.XXIV.MA.
ET.LVDVS.MAGNVS.GLADIATORE.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19002 From: Diana Moravia Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Update
Salvete all,

I hope that this email doesn't go out 4 times like the last one did...

<I've been occupied for most of the past two days with
<hospitals, doctors, and waiting. My wife, Paulina
<Gratidia, has a bad case of influenza that has developed
<into pneumonia. She's currently in the hospital, and
<they may keep her for another few days until she is in
<fit shape to go home.

What all you don't know and it is worth saying is that Marinus's wife is a riot! (colloquial
English meaning that she is so much fun to be around). We hit it off immediately and it will be my
pleasure to sit with her under one tent and another and chat with her at the next Roman Days.

She has a spirit of fire and I know this illness won't keep her down for long!

Valete,
Diana

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19003 From: rory12001 Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Simple Lararium rite
Salvete Quirites;
for those who would like to make offerings to the Gods & for the
growth of our beloved Roma here is a simple lararium rite posted by
our pontifex Gryllus in September 2003 in English & Latin:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ReligioRomana/message/5578
bene valete in pace deorum! Pomponia Fabia Vera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19004 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: In an hour and a half....
Salvete,

As start to write in an hour and a half it will be midnight in Rome
and my term as Rogator will expire. I'd like to take this opportunity
to thank my fellow Rogators with whom I served this past year for all
their hard work and their seemingly unending supply of patience
especially during the seemingly interminable run-offs this past
spring. You incoming Rogators don't know how lucky you are to not be
facing that this year.

One thing I've learned from the experience of keeping track of three
comitia holding elections at the same time, I can survive anything. I
must give special thanks to Renata Corva Cantrix as Sr. Rogatrix she
always somehow managed to find something to say to lift our spirits
when the task seemed to be overwhelming. Also special thanks to
Rogator Gallio Velius Marsallas for his quick ability to find out what
was wrong when our individual totals just weren't matching up.

A special thank you to Consul Titus Labienus Fortunatus and Tribuna
Diana Moravia Aventina for their patience and forebearing of having to
wait until the last possible moment before we were able to release our
election results.

Valete,

Quintus Cassius Calvus
Rogator MMDCCLVI a.u.c.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19005 From: Flavia Lucilla Merula Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Felicem annum novum
QFabiusMaxmi@... wrote:

>.
>For auld lang syne, me dear, for old lang syne...
>We'll tak a cup o kindness yet
>for twe sak o' auld lang syne"
>
Actually that last line should simply read 'For auld lang syne' It's a
common mistake the English make, but it doesn't make sense that way. A
literal translation would be 'for the sake of old time's sake'

Flavia Lucilla

>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19006 From: Brandon Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: The Deification Of Emperors (Academic questions)
I am also curious on this point but also wish to include Commodus
Antoninus in this question. As I recall he also saw himself as one
of the gods in particular Hercules. The Capitoline Museum, if I
remember correctly, has the statue of him clad in a lions' skin,
bearing the apples representing eternal life, and holding Hercules'
club. The way the story goes the two seperate figures on each side
held up a cloth over him making him the center of the universe. To
me if anything would be considered blasphemy against the Roman gods
surely this would have been. I am still anxious to hear the reply
to these questions. Valete Brandon

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> Salvete omnes,
>
> I have a question here for some of our Religio Romano experts.
After
> the Republic, there was a succession of emperors some of which
> eventually became Gods in status either living or dead. I have
never
> been clear about this because my information comes partly from
> fiction in books, movies and what I learned from a Judeo -
Christian
> background. Here are my questions:
>
> 1) Did deification of heros or Roman leaders occur before Imperial
> Rome for any character of that time?
>
> 2) Did Caligula who wanted to be regarded as a living god with
> statues erected to him technically blaspheme the gods?
>
> 3) Do or did priests of the Religio Romano actually have powers on
> earth yet a connection to the gods to deify an emperor or a great
> living or dead human, and is that process similar to the way the
> Vatican, for example makes a person a saint. Do you see any
> connections?
>
> 4) Was an emperor really considered a living god similar to the
> Pharoes of Egypt or kings of the Mayans or Aztecs or was this more
> symbolic, tying the gods to the state of Rome?
>
>
> Thanks in advance for your points of view.
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19007 From: pompeia_cornelia Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Movies: QVO VADIS
---



Salve Frater:

"The crazy world of Arthur Brown"?

I have that album somewhere...

gosh I haven't heard that mentioned in years. It's tucked away with
my Black Sabbath, Cream, Jethro Tull, Deep Purple and CCR's (Now I'm
dating myself:))

Po


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus"
<ahenobarbus@h...> wrote:
> Can anybody comment on the representation of the public religio
portrayed in
> that Swords & Sandals classic? Is it close to the mark, or ridiculous?
> There's plenty in that movie that is so ridiculous as to be great, like
> Nero's song about fire, which is almost up there with the Crazy
World of
> Arthur Brown.
> I am aware that there was a more recent Polish remake of Quo Vadis.
does
> anybody know if it's available on (region 1) DVD?
>
>
>
> >Quo Vadis!! I had almost forgotten about that movie. I loved it as
a child.
> >...
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19008 From: L. Sicinius Drusus Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: The Deification Of Emperors (Academic questions)
Salvete,

Actually Blasphemy is a Jewish and Christian concept, not a Roman
concept. The Only laws that the Romans had that were remotly similar
were on Sacrilege (Sacrilegum) which covered theft from a Temple, and on
Impiety of a magistrate ie the case of Claudius tossing the sacred
chickens overboard when they didn't return the Auspices he desired. In
Imperial times the word Sacrilegum begain to be applied in common usage
in a manner approaching the Christian concept, but the popular use of
the word never was made a part of Roman law until after the Christians
took over.

The attempts of people like Commodus and Caligula to compare themselves
to the Gods was Hubris, and the Immortals showed neither of them favor
because of it. Both were murdered at a young age.

Brandon wrote:

> I am also curious on this point but also wish to include Commodus
> Antoninus in this question. As I recall he also saw himself as one
> of the gods in particular Hercules. The Capitoline Museum, if I
> remember correctly, has the statue of him clad in a lions' skin,
> bearing the apples representing eternal life, and holding Hercules'
> club. The way the story goes the two seperate figures on each side
> held up a cloth over him making him the center of the universe. To
> me if anything would be considered blasphemy against the Roman gods
> surely this would have been. I am still anxious to hear the reply
> to these questions. Valete Brandon
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
> Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> > Salvete omnes,
> >
> > I have a question here for some of our Religio Romano experts.
> After
> > the Republic, there was a succession of emperors some of which
> > eventually became Gods in status either living or dead. I have
> never
> > been clear about this because my information comes partly from
> > fiction in books, movies and what I learned from a Judeo -
> Christian
> > background. Here are my questions:
> >
> > 1) Did deification of heros or Roman leaders occur before Imperial
> > Rome for any character of that time?

Yes but it was far rarer than in Greece. Romulus is the most noted example.

>
> >
> > 2) Did Caligula who wanted to be regarded as a living god with
> > statues erected to him technically blaspheme the gods?

No. It is a Christian Concept. His Hubris was offensive to the Gods and
he paid for it with his life.

>
> >
> > 3) Do or did priests of the Religio Romano actually have powers on
> > earth yet a connection to the gods to deify an emperor or a great
> > living or dead human, and is that process similar to the way the
> > Vatican, for example makes a person a saint. Do you see any
> > connections?

No. Defication consisted of the Senate voting that the new cult would be
added to the offical cults of the state.

> >
> > 4) Was an emperor really considered a living god similar to the
> > Pharoes of Egypt or kings of the Mayans or Aztecs or was this more
> > symbolic, tying the gods to the state of Rome?
> >

No. Each man had a Genius (Women had a Juno) which was the devine
spirit in humans. The Emperor's Genius, NOT the person himself was
worshiped in the Imperial cult. This is similar to the worship of the
Genius of the Paterfamilias in the domestic cult.

L. Sicinius Drusus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19009 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Movies: QVO VADIS
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_cornelia"
<scriba_forum@h...> wrote:
> ---

> Salve Frater:
>
> "The crazy world of Arthur Brown"?
>
> I have that album somewhere...
>
> gosh I haven't heard that mentioned in years. It's tucked away with
> my Black Sabbath, Cream, Jethro Tull, Deep Purple and CCR's (Now I'm
> dating myself:))
>
> Po

You've got company, soror mea! Add to that: Grateful Dead, The Kinks,
Savoy Brown, Canned Heat, the list goes on and on!

--
Julilla Sempronia Magna
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19010 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Felicem annum novum
Salvete Omnes

It is now midnight in Roma according to my computer's world-time
clock.

Felicem annum novum!
Happy New Year!


Bene Vale
Livia Cornelia Hibernia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19011 From: rory12001 Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Ignoto Deo/other views of G-D
Salvete Ahenobarbe;
I can not tell you about Graves, but the most highly regarded
scholar in this field Mark S. Smith has written a fascinating work on
this very topic;
Origins of Biblical Monotheism; Israelite Polytheism
if the link works here is a fine review;
http://www.ualberta.cu/JHS/reviews/review031.htm
ancient Israelite relgion was the Canaanite religious worship of El
as the head of a divine family, with Baal and Asherah. Later YHWH
replaced El as the Jewish G-d, it is truly fascinating,
vale Pomponia Fabia Vera


> ancient synchretists as the local analogue to Juppiter O.M.
> I would be interested if any NovaRomans reading this have any ideas
as to
> Graves' sources or any other account that gives historic proof to
his idea
> of YHWH as only part of a Levantine pantheon
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19012 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Update
Salve, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus

My wishes and prayers go with you tonight for the safe and speedy recovery of
your wife. I hope you both have a healthy and happy New Year!

Vale,

G. Lanius Falco


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19013 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: New Year
Salvete omnes,

Tonight I extend warm wishes to all cives in Nova Roma, and especially
cousins in

Gens Lania, for a HAPPY and HEALTHY New Year. May Nova Roma continue to

prosper and grow.

Valete,

G. Lanius Falco


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19014 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Ignoto Deo/other views of G-D
Salve Pomponia

It looks like the URL has changed.
I found it at:
http://www.arts.ualberta.ca/JHS/reviews/review031.htm

Vale
Livia Cornelia Hibernia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@y...> wrote:
> Salvete Ahenobarbe;
> I can not tell you about Graves, but the most highly regarded
> scholar in this field Mark S. Smith has written a fascinating work
on
> this very topic;
> Origins of Biblical Monotheism; Israelite Polytheism
> if the link works here is a fine review;
> http://www.ualberta.cu/JHS/reviews/review031.htm
> ancient Israelite relgion was the Canaanite religious worship of
El
> as the head of a divine family, with Baal and Asherah. Later YHWH
> replaced El as the Jewish G-d, it is truly fascinating,
> vale Pomponia Fabia Vera
>
>
> > ancient synchretists as the local analogue to Juppiter O.M.
> > I would be interested if any NovaRomans reading this have any
ideas
> as to
> > Graves' sources or any other account that gives historic proof
to
> his idea
> > of YHWH as only part of a Levantine pantheon
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19015 From: Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Ignoto Deo/other views of G-D
Salvete

I believe the link should be

http://www.arts.ualberta.ca/JHS/reviews/review119.htm

This is a link from my university for the Journal of Hebrew
Scriptures.

Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
Class of 2001, University of Alberta
(Go Golden Bears!!)


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@y...> wrote:
> Salvete Ahenobarbe;
> I can not tell you about Graves, but the most highly regarded
> scholar in this field Mark S. Smith has written a fascinating work
on
> this very topic;
> Origins of Biblical Monotheism; Israelite Polytheism
> if the link works here is a fine review;
> http://www.ualberta.cu/JHS/reviews/review031.htm
> ancient Israelite relgion was the Canaanite religious worship of
El
> as the head of a divine family, with Baal and Asherah. Later YHWH
> replaced El as the Jewish G-d, it is truly fascinating,
> vale Pomponia Fabia Vera
>
>
> > ancient synchretists as the local analogue to Juppiter O.M.
> > I would be interested if any NovaRomans reading this have any
ideas
> as to
> > Graves' sources or any other account that gives historic proof
to
> his idea
> > of YHWH as only part of a Levantine pantheon
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19016 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: The Deification Of Emperors (Academic questions)
Salve Bradon,

I'm sure that the fellows who will answer our questions are tied up
with the New Years festivities as I will be. We'll hear from them
soon enough for sure!

Have a great evening,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Brandon" <cagneyfan@y...> wrote:
> I am also curious on this point but also wish to include Commodus
> Antoninus in this question. As I recall he also saw himself as one
> of the gods in particular Hercules. The Capitoline Museum, if I
> remember correctly, has the statue of him clad in a lions' skin,
> bearing the apples representing eternal life, and holding Hercules'
> club. The way the story goes the two seperate figures on each side
> held up a cloth over him making him the center of the universe. To
> me if anything would be considered blasphemy against the Roman gods
> surely this would have been. I am still anxious to hear the reply
> to these questions. Valete Brandon
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
> Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> > Salvete omnes,
> >
> > I have a question here for some of our Religio Romano experts.
> After
> > the Republic, there was a succession of emperors some of which
> > eventually became Gods in status either living or dead. I have
> never
> > been clear about this because my information comes partly from
> > fiction in books, movies and what I learned from a Judeo -
> Christian
> > background. Here are my questions:
> >
> > 1) Did deification of heros or Roman leaders occur before
Imperial
> > Rome for any character of that time?
> >
> > 2) Did Caligula who wanted to be regarded as a living god with
> > statues erected to him technically blaspheme the gods?
> >
> > 3) Do or did priests of the Religio Romano actually have powers
on
> > earth yet a connection to the gods to deify an emperor or a great
> > living or dead human, and is that process similar to the way the
> > Vatican, for example makes a person a saint. Do you see any
> > connections?
> >
> > 4) Was an emperor really considered a living god similar to the
> > Pharoes of Egypt or kings of the Mayans or Aztecs or was this
more
> > symbolic, tying the gods to the state of Rome?
> >
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your points of view.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19017 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Update
Salve Gnae,

I pass on the same feelings as my paterfamilias. All the best for her
recovery and have a great New year.

Quintus Lanius Paulinus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, lanius117@a... wrote:
> Salve, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
>
> My wishes and prayers go with you tonight for the safe and speedy
recovery of
> your wife. I hope you both have a healthy and happy New Year!
>
> Vale,
>
> G. Lanius Falco
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19018 From: rory12001 Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Update
---
Salve Gnaee Equiti;
Ovid expresses all my thoughts and prayers for you:

Tuque, favens coeptis,
Phoebe saluber, ades

Come health-bearing Apollo
Come favor my undertaking

optime vale Pomponia Fabia Vera



n Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> Salve Gnae,
>
> I pass on the same feelings as my paterfamilias. All the best for
her
> recovery and have a great New year.
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, lanius117@a... wrote:
> > Salve, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> >
> > My wishes and prayers go with you tonight for the safe and speedy
> recovery of
> > your wife. I hope you both have a healthy and happy New Year!
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > G. Lanius Falco
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19019 From: rory12001 Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Ignoto Deo/other views of G-D
Gratias vobis ago!

Pomponia Fabia Vera


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa"
<canadaoccidentalis@y...> wrote:
> Salvete
>
> I believe the link should be
>
> http://www.arts.ualberta.ca/JHS/reviews/review119.htm
>
> This is a link from my university for the Journal of Hebrew
> Scriptures.
>
> Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
> Class of 2001, University of Alberta
> (Go Golden Bears!!)
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "rory12001" <rory12001@y...>
wrote:
> > Salvete Ahenobarbe;
> > I can not tell you about Graves, but the most highly regarded
> > scholar in this field Mark S. Smith has written a fascinating
work
> on
> > this very topic;
> > Origins of Biblical Monotheism; Israelite Polytheism
> > if the link works here is a fine review;
> > http://www.ualberta.cu/JHS/reviews/review031.htm
> > ancient Israelite relgion was the Canaanite religious worship
of
> El
> > as the head of a divine family, with Baal and Asherah. Later YHWH
> > replaced El as the Jewish G-d, it is truly fascinating,
> > vale Pomponia Fabia Vera
> >
> >
> > > ancient synchretists as the local analogue to Juppiter O.M.
> > > I would be interested if any NovaRomans reading this have any
> ideas
> > as to
> > > Graves' sources or any other account that gives historic proof
> to
> > his idea
> > > of YHWH as only part of a Levantine pantheon
> > >
> > >
_________________________________________________________________
> > > Tired of slow downloads? Compare online deals from your local
> high-
> > speed
> > > providers now. https://broadband.msn.com
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19020 From: Fortunatus Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Happy New Year
Salvete

My time as consul has passed, though the new year is nearly six hours
away where I live, and I want to take this opportunity to thank all of
this last year's magistrates for their hard work.

I'd especially like to thank Caeso Fabius Quintilianus for being a
wonderful collega. I really couldn't have asked for better, as he was
always courteous, interested in my opinion, and willing to compromise on
those rare occasions when we disagreed. It's been a pleasure, mi
Quintiliane.

I'd also like to thank Cn Octavius Noricus. I stated the reasons for
this when I endorsed him for praetor, so I won't repeat myself here.

Finally, I also want to thank L Sicinius Drusus, who served as my
accensus. He's vocal and opinionated, and therefore controversial.
And, he's undeniably partisan. However, I haven't seen him put forward
a serious suggestion that was either ill-considered or against the best
interests of Nova Roma as a whole. I'm glad you're still with us, Luci
Sicini, and I hope your frustration will pass.

And now, free of the dozen (virtual) thugs with rods that have been
walking in front of me for the past year, I go to celebrate the new year
with an offering to Ianus and Iuppiter and a prayer that They protect
the Res Publica and guide our new magistrates.

Happy new year, everyone!

Valete
T Labienus Fortunatus
--
"Use every man after his desert, and who shall escape whipping? Use
them after your own honor and dignity. The less they deserve, the more
merit is in your bounty."
-Shakespeare
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19021 From: Lucius Equitius Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1042
L Equitius Cincinnatus

We pray for her rapid recovery, and wish you and your family all that is
healthful, favorable,
abundant in the new year.

Valete

________________________________________________________________________

Message: 9
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:57:04 -0500
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
Subject: Update

Salvete Quirites,

I hope you are all enjoying your preparations for the
New Year.

I've been occupied for most of the past two days with
hospitals, doctors, and waiting. My wife, Paulina
Gratidia, has a bad case of influenza that has developed
into pneumonia. She's currently in the hospital, and
they may keep her for another few days until she is in
fit shape to go home.

<SNIP>

Valete,
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19022 From: pompeia_cornelia Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Movies: QVO VADIS
---Salve Tribuna Iullia:

Hey, I know this guy who has the Stones Album with the cover with all
the Wigs (fashioned after the old wig ads you'd see in magazines) and
you can turn a dial and put the heads of the stones under different
'wig' presentations.

It's absolutely mint...bet that's worth a buck or two :)

I have an unopened Hendrix album :)

Rare Earth was a nice band too. They didn't put out alot, but what I
liked was a good listen, IMO. Great lyrics.

Pompeia



In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Julilla Sempronia Magna"
<curatrix@v...> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_cornelia"
> <scriba_forum@h...> wrote:
> > ---
>
> > Salve Frater:
> >
> > "The crazy world of Arthur Brown"?
> >
> > I have that album somewhere...
> >
> > gosh I haven't heard that mentioned in years. It's tucked away with
> > my Black Sabbath, Cream, Jethro Tull, Deep Purple and CCR's (Now I'm
> > dating myself:))
> >
> > Po
>
> You've got company, soror mea! Add to that: Grateful Dead, The Kinks,
> Savoy Brown, Canned Heat, the list goes on and on!
>
> --
> Julilla Sempronia Magna
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19023 From: asseri@aol.com Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Seeking Scribia for Regionis Occidentalis( Illinois-Indiana) -Lacu
Salvette,
As a new year is faced I am seeking assistants so I may better perform my
duties. Nova Roma is making major changes as it begins to take steps in the
physical world.

Ideally I would like 2 for the state of Illinois and one for Indiana. If you
are interested Please e-mail me off the list so we do not add unneeded
traffic.

If you have always wanted to do something for NR and was unsure how here is
your chanch to serve!

Prima Fabia Drusila
Legatus Regionis Occidentalis
(Indiana ,Illinois, )


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19024 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Adult SummerCamp
G. Iulius Scaurus T. Galerio Paulino salutem dicit.

Salve, T. Galeri.

>So how about an Adult Nova Roma summer camp we could hold it for say
>the four weeks in say July or in the fall or Spring? Whenever?
>People could come for a week or two or just a few days, depending
>on the work or school schedule as well as finances. We could do a
>youth hostel like approach to keep cost down and within most
>budgets. Because it would last 4 four weeks a lot of Nova Romans
>could come and meet each other, and discover to their utter
>amazement the so and so doesn't really have two heads.
>
>so what do you think?

I think this is an excellent idea and would attend if the dates fit
my summer teaching schedule.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19025 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Re: Having returned, sundry remarks
G. Iulius Scaurus F. Galerio Aurelio Secundo salutem dicit.

Salve, F. Galeri Secunde.

>Ooh. Does this mean that the Illustrious Senator Drusus will
>confine himself only to annoying the majority of us on topics
>relating to the Religio? Will it cut down on his superfluous and
>outrageous innuendoes, insinuations, and accusations?
>
>I hope so, but I seriously doubt it.

By great Hercules' swinging ballocks, you are on the verge of
becoming a podex with this vendetta with L. Sicinius. Please drop
it, I beseech you. I do not mean to infringe on your freedom of
speech, but you are endangering your dignitas and that of your gens,
which I hold in high respect. Please listen to the counsel of
Concordia and just let it be.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19026 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: Latin Wordlist of Assorted Herbs, Spices, Plants & Misc. Foodstuffs
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to the "Latin Wordlist of Assorted Herbs, Spices, Plants
& Misc. Foodstuffs":

http://www.chebucto.ns.ca/~ag151/latin/herbs_spices_etc.html

This splendid site, created by Diane Cooper, is a wonderful
introduction to the Latin terminology of herbology.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 19027 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2003-12-31
Subject: On this new year
Salvete
In the two thousand seventy sixth year of the City, the citizens Gnaeus Salix
Astur, and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, have entered office as consuls, Both for
the first time.

For Romans it is important at the start of the year to carry out a careful
observance to ensure success in public and private affairs. The first words
spoken on awakening in the morning, and the first actions accomplished within the
house must be cheerful and uncomplaining. To bring luck, laurel and saffron,
is placed around the door or burned on the little household altar. But unlike
these days, New Years Day in Rome was no holiday. As the year started, so would
it continue. The citizens must carry out a typical day. This means one could
visit and receive your friends & clients; reciprocate good wishes to one
other, give out little gifts of dates, figs and honey to sweeten the approaching
year; but then the citizens would be off to work.

If you were in Rome in the 200s BCE the first thing you would notice is along
the Sacred Way that led to Capitoline that the temples, normally kept shut,
are open for worship, and fire burns on all the altars that stands before them.
You would next notice a solemn procession of Romans along the Way, ready to
make its way up to the Temple of Jupiter, Best and Greatest to seek a blessing
on the city and the outside communities for the coming year. So early in the
day (hour after sunrise) the crowds have gathered in the Forum Romanum near
the the Senate house.
Each senator is wearing his heavy, woollen toga over the broad purple stripe
of his tunic, the patricians wearing scarlet shoes, the plebians regular
sandals. Of the 300 likely 250 would be present on such a special occasion-all th
ose not hindered by illness or extreme age or absent on the public service in
or outside Italy.
After them follows the 'knights' or Equities: wearing their togas over the
narrow purple stripe of their tunics, indicating they are men rich enough to
afford the expense of a horse, so that they can provide the cavalry of the army.
Next, came the people of the city themselves. The shopkeepers, artisans,
servants, laborers, as well as farmers in for the day from the nearby country;
and almost as numerous and not very detectable from their dress, freedmen and
the slaves, immigrants or the domestics climbing towards citizenship.
The procession would form up as the Consuls, dressed in the purple and
embroidered togas of consuls, appeared from the Senate house. At the front moved the
senators and knights; then, immediately preceding the consular pair, their
lictors, each with the fasces that traditional bundle of rods strapped round an
axe and supported in left hand and on left shoulder showing the imperium of a
Roman magistrate, having the power of life and death over the citizens. Behind
the Consuls would be carried the ceremonial Etruscan folding stools of metal
inlaid with carved ivory, their curule chairs (sellae curules).
Following the procession would be implements of the sacrifice, the priests, a
herald, flute player, the victimarius, (slayer) his assistant and young boy
(to follow the ancient tradition of Numa both his parents must be still
living), together with the sacrifices: white oxen from the Faliscan eights or the
plains of Clitunno, their horns covered in gilt.
At the foot of the Capitoline slope the congregation would turn left, and
move north-westwards towards the Capitol, past the high dais of the Temple of
Saturn, up the steep slope of the paved, slightly curving Sacred Way that led
along the south part of Capitoline Hill. Once through the gate and into the
sacred area, they squeezed into position among the columns fronting the Temple of
Jupiter, Juno and Minerva. Within the doorway of the central shrine, that of
Jupiter, the consuls would take their places for the first time upon their
sellae curules, facing outwards towards the altar, the body and Rome.
It would be now necessary to take the auspices and make sure, that the god
would accept the coming sacrifice. The cage containing the sacred chickens, was
administered by a special official, the pullarius. If the birds scurried away
instead of pecking at the pieces of pulse thrown to them, no sacrifice could
be carried out. Instead the ceremony will be resumed on the morrow. If all was
well the pullarius would report in due course that the birds had fed. The
altar fire would crackle with saffron, casting a glow on the gilded coffers of
the shaded pronaos. In the presence of the togate consuls, and of the Senate and
People of Rome, keeping holy silence, the purple-veiled priest offered
prayers for the state, a formulae repeated from a written page and checked for
correctness by a listener appointed for the purpose. Any slip of the tongue, any
stumble or mispronunciation tainted the proceedings, the spoken ritual would
have to start from the beginning. To muffle unlucky noises the piper played
while the ritual was carried out.
Then the head of the ox was sprinkled with meal by the priest, and turned
sideways; the animal's throat was slit; the victim was disembowelled and the
entrails laid upon the altar. Only if the ritual could be duplicated undeviatingly
like those of the past years could another year of success be expected to
come to Rome.
Afterwards would come a second offering, this time made by the twelve
Brethren of the Fields, an ancient and exclusive body. Its descent lay in the faraway
and obscure past, when Rome and her community was a little town dependent on
the yield of the land, so this yield must be assured by reverence.
Now only a few nobles would be left taught by their forebearers to carry on
the ancient traditions. Once this ceremony was concluded, the procession would
re-form and descend the way it came. The consuls, magistrates and senators
would make their way to the Senate house in the north-east corner of the
Forum for the first meeting of the year.
As it was then, it is now!

Happy New Year, Romans!
With best wishes from Q. Fabius Maximus.


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