Hail to all, especially those who have welcomed me. I am going to read
past postings and everything included on the Nova Roma site and will
begin my Latin studies.

Thank you and may the Gods and Goddesses bless the citizens, the
Republic and our families.

Vale
Drusilla Metella Germanica

By our aedilician imperium and in accordance with the wishes of Factio
Praesina, we appoint Livia Cornelia Hibernia to be Domina Factionis
Praesinae for the consular year of Cn. Salix Astur and Gn. Equitius
Marinus.

Given on ante diem IV Kalendae Februarii in the consulship of Cn. Salix
Astur and Gn. Equitius Marinus.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis

M. Iulius Perusianus
Aedilis Curulis

Salve Tiberi,

Well done! When may I place my order. It is beautiful!

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinis



-- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:

> Salve Romans
>
> I have uploaded a photo of a new and improved candidate for the

Citizenship ring.

>
> Please take a look and tell me what you think
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

---


Salve Maxime:

The only darned problem is, Quintus can't do anything any more,
because he is not a Tribune any more. I believe he was just
expressing a theoretical opinion on the role of the tribunes.

Pompeia

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, QFabiusMaxmi@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 1/29/04 5:28:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> ksterne@b... writes:
>
> Salvete
> > For example, I as a Tribune may feel the Censorial nota is unfair
> > and that the Censors were wrong in issuing it, but I cannot veto
> > because the nota does not violate the spirit or letter of the
> > Constitution.
> >
> >
> Which is exactly why you must issue that intercessio. You are the

protector

> of the people from all magistrates injustice. No one may question your
> judgment, that is why you are immune from all prosecution. That is

why death can

> only overturn your ruling.
>
> You are the final defense for the constitution so it cannot be

altered in

> anyway that would be oppressive to the People. You are the final

defense of the

> People against abusive magistrates. You must listen to any citizen who
> requests your aid.
> You are the ultimate check in a system that is composed of numerous

checks &

> balances.
>
> Only magistrate you cannot overturn is a dictator. And the reason

why is

> obvious. Once the dictator is appointed by the Senate, the

situation is so dire,

> that all checks are removed so the state may survive. One will, and

one only

> now drives the system.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve Romans

As Pliny The Elder said True glory consists in doing what deserves to be written; in writing what deserves to be read; and in so living as to make the world happier for our living in it.

So I have created a new group at yahoo the Nova Roma History group as an online oral history group for individuals who would like to record their view of the history of Nova Roma from its inception. Any citizen or even former citizens may record their recollections so that others might learn about what came before.

Post message: NovaRomaHistory@yahoogroups.com
Subscribe: NovaRomaHistory-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
Unsubscribe: NovaRomaHistory-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
List owner: NovaRomaHistory-owner@yahoogroups.com


For as Pliny The Elder said True glory consists in doing what deserves to be written; in writing what deserves to be read; and in so living as to make the world happier for our living in it.


I invite all to join and share your memories of Nova Roma


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus



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---Salvete Omnes;
Congratulations Livia !

I am pleased for you and as your soror, very proud of you.

Valete,
Po

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "g_iulius_scaurus" <gfr@w...> wrote:

> By our aedilician imperium and in accordance with the wishes of Factio
> Praesina, we appoint Livia Cornelia Hibernia to be Domina Factionis
> Praesinae for the consular year of Cn. Salix Astur and Gn. Equitius
> Marinus.
>
> Given on ante diem IV Kalendae Februarii in the consulship of Cn. Salix
> Astur and Gn. Equitius Marinus.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus
> Aedilis Curulis
>
> M. Iulius Perusianus
> Aedilis Curulis

Salve Pompeia

I believe he was saying that the Tribunes can not issue an intercessio (veto) against a Nota because they lack the constitutional power.

Censors are listed in the Nova Roman constitution as a magistrate, Section IV a 1 a and as such the Tribunes can issue an intercessio as long as the majority of Tribunes agree or the intercessio is not actively opposed by a majority of the Tribunes. The constitution only limits the Tribunes when dealing with a Dictator or Interrex for obvious reasons


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Tribunus Plebs

----- Original Message -----
From: pompeia_cornelia
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 11:10 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nota and Trinunican Veto


---


Salve Maxime:

The only darned problem is, Quintus can't do anything any more,
because he is not a Tribune any more. I believe he was just
expressing a theoretical opinion on the role of the tribunes.

Pompeia

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, QFabiusMaxmi@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 1/29/04 5:28:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> ksterne@b... writes:
>
> Salvete
> > For example, I as a Tribune may feel the Censorial nota is unfair
> > and that the Censors were wrong in issuing it, but I cannot veto
> > because the nota does not violate the spirit or letter of the
> > Constitution.
> >
> >
> Which is exactly why you must issue that intercessio. You are the
protector
> of the people from all magistrates injustice. No one may question your
> judgment, that is why you are immune from all prosecution. That is
why death can
> only overturn your ruling.
>
> You are the final defense for the constitution so it cannot be
altered in
> anyway that would be oppressive to the People. You are the final
defense of the
> People against abusive magistrates. You must listen to any citizen who
> requests your aid.
> You are the ultimate check in a system that is composed of numerous
checks &
> balances.
>
> Only magistrate you cannot overturn is a dictator. And the reason
why is
> obvious. Once the dictator is appointed by the Senate, the
situation is so dire,
> that all checks are removed so the state may survive. One will, and
one only
> now drives the system.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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---Salvete Galeri et Omnes:

It was a quasi joke. I know the points Q. Fabius was making. He was,
however, speaking these things to a man who no longer holds office as
Tribune, in terms of what Gaius (not Quintus) himself needs to do as
tribune.

Sorry if the humour got lost.

Pompeia


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...> wrote:

> Salve Pompeia
>
> I believe he was saying that the Tribunes can not issue an

intercessio (veto) against a Nota because they lack the constitutional
power.

>
> Censors are listed in the Nova Roman constitution as a magistrate,

Section IV a 1 a and as such the Tribunes can issue an intercessio as
long as the majority of Tribunes agree or the intercessio is not
actively opposed by a majority of the Tribunes. The constitution only
limits the Tribunes when dealing with a Dictator or Interrex for
obvious reasons

>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Tribunus Plebs
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pompeia_cornelia
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 11:10 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nota and Trinunican Veto
>
>
> ---
>
>
> Salve Maxime:
>
> The only darned problem is, Quintus can't do anything any more,
> because he is not a Tribune any more. I believe he was just
> expressing a theoretical opinion on the role of the tribunes.
>
> Pompeia
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, QFabiusMaxmi@a... wrote:
> > In a message dated 1/29/04 5:28:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> > ksterne@b... writes:
> >
> > Salvete
> > > For example, I as a Tribune may feel the Censorial nota is unfair
> > > and that the Censors were wrong in issuing it, but I cannot veto
> > > because the nota does not violate the spirit or letter of the
> > > Constitution.
> > >
> > >
> > Which is exactly why you must issue that intercessio. You are the
> protector
> > of the people from all magistrates injustice. No one may

question your

> > judgment, that is why you are immune from all prosecution. That is
> why death can
> > only overturn your ruling.
> >
> > You are the final defense for the constitution so it cannot be
> altered in
> > anyway that would be oppressive to the People. You are the final
> defense of the
> > People against abusive magistrates. You must listen to any

citizen who

> > requests your aid.
> > You are the ultimate check in a system that is composed of numerous
> checks &
> > balances.
> >
> > Only magistrate you cannot overturn is a dictator. And the reason
> why is
> > obvious. Once the dictator is appointed by the Senate, the
> situation is so dire,
> > that all checks are removed so the state may survive. One will, and
> one only
> > now drives the system.
> >
> > Q. Fabius Maximus
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
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>
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L. CORNELIA HIBERNIA POMPEIAE CORNELIAE S.P.D.

Gratias tibi ago.

I hope that this year's Ludi will help take people's minds off of all
the heavy, serious exchanges in the Forum as well as fullfill their
primary intent, which is to honor the Gods and Goddesses.

Optime vale in pace deorum
Livia Cornelia Hibernia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_cornelia"
<scriba_forum@h...> wrote:

> ---Salvete Omnes;
> Congratulations Livia !
>
> I am pleased for you and as your soror, very proud of you.
>
> Valete,
> Po
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "g_iulius_scaurus" <gfr@w...> wrote:
> > By our aedilician imperium and in accordance with the wishes of

Factio

> > Praesina, we appoint Livia Cornelia Hibernia to be Domina

Factionis

> > Praesinae for the consular year of Cn. Salix Astur and Gn.

Equitius

> > Marinus.
> >
> > Given on ante diem IV Kalendae Februarii in the consulship of Cn.

Salix

> > Astur and Gn. Equitius Marinus.
> >
> > G. Iulius Scaurus
> > Aedilis Curulis
> >
> > M. Iulius Perusianus
> > Aedilis Curulis

Salvete omnes

As a former Tribune, I would like to express one fact and an opinion.

* The fact is that, according to our laws, there is a 72 hour limit for the intercessio, and if I'm not wrong, the Edicta was issue in:

- Message:20108
- Date:1/27/2004. 3:03 a.m.

Therefore there is no intercessio possible in this particular case.

* My opinion is that if an intercessio were to be issued in that case, it should attain to the three specific elements(Actor-Magistrate-Violation) of the last tribunician law passed, and to find the violation of the Censor in that Nota is, for me, a little bit difficult. Citizen Sicinius Drusus has appealed to the Comitia Populi Tributa, but I hear nothing about asking the intercessio of the Tribunes, which involves some kind of acceptation of the Nota. Besides, the Tribunes didn't express a firmly or strong view for acting on behalf of Citizen Sicinius Drusus, so it could be understand as a lack of reasoned motives for issue an intercessio. There have been too a debate in which we have get into a mess of victimizing, invoking the freedom of speech, but forgetting that into that freedom there have been an expressed attack to our institutions and people who belongs to them. I do not mind from a person to express that there is something (consider) wrong in the institutions or his speech, but I certainly believe that the way chosen is a very important problem and a risk to our idea of Nova Roma.

I do believe in freedom for speech, as well as I do believe in responsability for which that words can bring. We can't be irresponsible for our words, otherwise we could lost part of our roman political heritage. But I say once more, this is my opinion.


vale bene in pace deorum,
L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS

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Salve Paulinus,
your ring is very beautiful, however I have two questions.
1) how many large is it?
2) Isn't the Eagle a tipical imperial symbol? In fact in the Ancient
Res Publica it wans't usual and we haven't it in our nova roman
image. Please, correct me if I wrong.

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:

> Salve Romans
>
> I have uploaded a photo of a new and improved candidate for the

Citizenship ring.

>
> Please take a look and tell me what you think
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete Omnes!

While I have been trying to stay out of this, now I simply must respond:
Q.Fabius Maximus, it is not your or anyone else's place to tell the Tribunes what they MUST do! This is the sort of hubris that touched off this whole sorry mess.
The Tribunes' only job is to determine whether the Censors have discharged their duties correctly; if not, then veto it.
The duty of the Censors includes upholding the Public Morality and good order.
The Nota has been issued on the basis of the Morality of the actions of L.Sicinius Drusus.
Morality may be considered to be what is Right and what is Wrong; Public Morality relates to the Moral standards of the Community.
The Community has registered their opinions of the actions of L.Sicinius Drusus quite clearly: Over 90% of the Citizens giving their opinions have stated that the public Posting of a Private Letter is blatantly Wrong.
Most of the remaining Posts were simply urging that no action be taken; they did not state that the action was Right.
Those defending L.S.Drusus have declared Freedom of Speech applies, with most adding that L.S.D.'s speech is reprehensible most of the time, that is, morally Wrong.
Very few - less than 10% - have declared L.S.Drusus' actions to be Right.
Therefore overwhelmingly the Community Standard of Morality is clearly recorded: The Citizenry feels this action was Wrong, which is to say Immoral by Community Standards of behaviour.
Thus the Nota is perfectly in order on Moral grounds, based on the expressed Moral Opinion of the Community.
Those invoking Law are out of order - this isn't about Law, it is about Morality, and the Censors possess Moral Authority.

Valete
~ Servius Equitius Mercurius Troianus

-----Original Message-----
From: QFabiusMaxmi@...
Sent: Jan 29, 2004 7:01 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nota and Trinunican Veto

In a message dated 1/29/04 5:28:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,
ksterne@... writes:

Salvete

> For example, I as a Tribune may feel the Censorial nota is unfair
> and that the Censors were wrong in issuing it, but I cannot veto
> because the nota does not violate the spirit or letter of the
> Constitution.
>
>

Which is exactly why you must issue that intercessio. You are the protector
of the people from all magistrates injustice. No one may question your
judgment, that is why you are immune from all prosecution. That is why death can
only overturn your ruling.

You are the final defense for the constitution so it cannot be altered in
anyway that would be oppressive to the People. You are the final defense of the
People against abusive magistrates. You must listen to any citizen who
requests your aid.
You are the ultimate check in a system that is composed of numerous checks &
balances.

Only magistrate you cannot overturn is a dictator. And the reason why is
obvious. Once the dictator is appointed by the Senate, the situation is so dire,
that all checks are removed so the state may survive. One will, and one only
now drives the system.

Q. Fabius Maximus



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]




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G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem III Kalendae Februarii; the day is comitialis.

Tomorrow is pridie Kalendae Februarii; the day is comitialis.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex

G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here are links to "Les inscriptions funéraires [The Funerary
Inscriptions]" and "Épitaphes [Epitaphs]":

http://www.noctes-gallicanae.org/Epitaphes/introduction.htm

http://www.noctes-gallicanae.org/Epigraphie/sommaire.htm

This are other sections from Alain Canu's "Noctes Gallicanae" website
which provide an introduction to funerary inscriptions in French and
examples of more than 150 such inscriptions with French translations.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salve Vispania
I agree with you, Vispania...just consider that
German Generals (Stilico,Arbogaste) were the last ,
strenuous defenders of the Roman Civilization and
Religion . They fought till the end against the
Christian-Barbarian Armies that, unfortunately,
annihilated their heroism.
VALE BENE.
LVCIVS QVIRINVS VESTA


Last Sunday, the History Channel aired several

> episodes on Barbarians including the Goths and Huns.
> I thought these reenactments of life in the late
> Roman Empire were very well done and accurate. The
> Romans were portrayed in a sensitive and not
> unfavorable manner. It seems to me that the western
> Roman Empire may never have fallen if the Romans and
> Barbarians had been able to forge a lasting alliance
> based on the need for mutual security. The Romans
> were not entirely averse to such a relationship.
> Unlike the Romans and Persians, the Romans and
> Barbarians seem to have needed each other.
>
> Valete, Vipsania

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Salve Vispania,

When you say reenactments. What do you mean? Do you mean the way the
Romans were portrayed like armor, etc.? I think they did a wonderful job telling
the history etc. But I think the armor and they way the legions were portrayed
were terrible. I don't think 5th century Legions look like that. Let alone
first century. Hollywood seems to like to have legionary's wear leather and slash
their swords. Just thought I might add this little note.

I do agree with you about the point on them needing each other to survive.

BENE.VALE.
MANENS.IN.AMORE.ROMAE.
ET.FORTIS.IN.DIVM.
GNAEVS.SCRIBONIVS.SCRIPTOR.
OPTIO.IN.SODALITATIS.MILITARIVM.
ET.DOMINVS.SODALITATIS.GEOGRAPHIAE.
NOVAE.ROMAE.ET.LEGIONIS.XXIVAE.MA.


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Salvete all,

<Mon, 26 Jan 2004 20:03:00

The deadline for the Tribune's to veto a magisterial edictum is 72 hours. Would a censorial nota
be included under that category? If so then the deadline was over 20:00 Roman time on Thursday Jan
29.

If not, then that is something that needs to be clarified in the law. There is also nothing
mentioned in our current law about the timing of a tribune veto of a senatus consultum.

Maybe one of our magistrates with the power can add those two clarifications to their 'things to
do list'.

vale,
Diana Octavia

Salve;

Pompeia Cornelia Strabo posted a private e-mail, from a Praetor no less, to the main list and continued to "prove her point." Were is the public outrage over this? Why is there a double standard in our Republic. Were is her nota?

Not only did she leave office as Praetor, and resign from the senate, but now she is publishing private e-mails on the main list! Were is her Nota!

Vale;

Gaius Modius Athanasius
Tribunus Plebis


In a message dated 1/30/2004 5:05:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, hermeticagnosis@... writes:

> The Community has registered their opinions of the actions of L.Sicinius Drusus quite clearly: Over 90% of the Citizens giving their opinions have stated that the public Posting of
> a Private Letter is blatantly Wrong.

Ave

In the avalanche of posts about theoretical matters, I'd like to focus
on a pretty practical point, something I think of crucial importance for
the present and the future of Nova Roma.

In the past days I found myself in the need of skimming the leges and
edicta of Nova Roma and found, as a citizen and a real life law
graduated, the Tabularium to be extremely hard to use practically.

Leges are dropped in simple chronological order, with the title, often
absolutely vague, in latin (which, as we know, most of the Novaromans
have little or no knowledge of), no explanation, no division for
subject, nothing that would help a research, forcing the citizen looking
for something to a long, unnerving, task of guessing or skimming every
single document that could be even vaguely related, an effort whose
success is sometimes based on pure luck.

Even worse the edicta section, where, besides the very same flaws you
can find for the leges section, you also find placed together edicta
that have a direct influence on the citizens (sometimes a huge impact as
the edictum about the moderation of the mailing list), appointments of
magistrates (included the ones of years ago) and more, making a logical
research close to impossible.

Now, it is of clear evidence that the easy accessibility of the rules is
the first step for the rules to be known and respected, hence I'd pray
the keeper of the tabularium to reorder it.

I personally think the leges should be divided into categories (for
instance: Laws about the Assemblies, senate, gentes, financial matters
and so on), but that in any case the laws should be displayed to show at
a glance, together with the latin title, the English translation, a
brief summary of the content of the law itself and how it interacts with
previous laws if it is the case . I also think a document containing
*all* the leges should be provided in order to make possible the most
basic of the global word search.

For the edicta, I think the ones containing regulations should be kept
separate from the ones about the appointment of magistrates or
side-helpers and in any case that the edicta no longer active should be
placed in a separate archive.

With 78 leges and 121 Edicta it is about time, I think, we put hand to
organizing them. it must be done now, as with every new lex dropped in
the disordered pile, with every new edictum, the task becomes longer and
harder.

Vale Bene

Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
Pater Gentis Constantinae
Aedilis Urbis ad interim



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Salve FAC

Every Legion of Rome in the Republican era carried an Eagle in front of the troop and it was keep in a place of honor in the camp or fort.

The Eagle is Republican

As to how big is it , I have only seen the picture you have also seen.

Vale

TGP

----- Original Message -----
From: FAC
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2004 4:59 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Citizenship Ring Photo at NR yahoo


Salve Paulinus,
your ring is very beautiful, however I have two questions.
1) how many large is it?
2) Isn't the Eagle a typical imperial symbol? In fact in the Ancient
Res Publica it wasn't usual and we haven't it in our nova roman
image. Please, correct me if I wrong.

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:
> Salve Romans
>
> I have uploaded a photo of a new and improved candidate for the
Citizenship ring.
>
> Please take a look and tell me what you think
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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Ave,

Vispania as a late roman reenactor and owner of
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Segontium/


I can tell you that the romans were definately misrepresented as far
as their uniforms and equipment are concerned. Lorica Segmentata
had gone out of use long before the era portrayed, soldiers would
wear lorica hamata, squamata, and lamellar.

The Tunica worn by your average soldier was a white/off white color
with clavi and orbiculi, there are many finds from egypt of this
period. They also no longer used the curved rectangular scutum,
this was replaced in favor of a flat or dished semi-ovular or
circular shield.

The also no longer wore the caligae but calcea, campagi, and other
closed leather type footwear.

The fighting was way off even for Imperial romans.
I have yet to see it portrayed correctly. I was very unhappy
in "Gladiator" when the soldiers did not throw their pila. On the
USA movie they did more ahistorical stuff by portraying the romans
as imperials and fighting stupidly and yet again not throwing their
pila.

The western empire probably would have lasted longer if Aetius would
have destroyed the Huns instead of letting them go. Then he could
have taken out the Visigoths.

Also, the Huns are an Asiatic people not white guys.

Valete,
Gaius Claudius Cicero

Salve Troianus,

My complements on this posting; well said and thought out.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Servius Equitius Mercurius Troianus
<hermeticagnosis@e...> wrote:

> Salvete Omnes!
>
> While I have been trying to stay out of this, now I simply must

respond:

> Q.Fabius Maximus, it is not your or anyone else's place to tell

the Tribunes what they MUST do! This is the sort of hubris that
touched off this whole sorry mess.

> The Tribunes' only job is to determine whether the Censors have

discharged their duties correctly; if not, then veto it.

> The duty of the Censors includes upholding the Public Morality

and good order.

> The Nota has been issued on the basis of the Morality of the

actions of L.Sicinius Drusus.

> Morality may be considered to be what is Right and what is Wrong;

Public Morality relates to the Moral standards of the Community.

> The Community has registered their opinions of the actions of

L.Sicinius Drusus quite clearly: Over 90% of the Citizens giving
their opinions have stated that the public Posting of a Private
Letter is blatantly Wrong.

> Most of the remaining Posts were simply urging that no action be

taken; they did not state that the action was Right.

> Those defending L.S.Drusus have declared Freedom of Speech

applies, with most adding that L.S.D.'s speech is reprehensible most
of the time, that is, morally Wrong.

> Very few - less than 10% - have declared L.S.Drusus' actions to

be Right.

> Therefore overwhelmingly the Community Standard of Morality is

clearly recorded: The Citizenry feels this action was Wrong, which is
to say Immoral by Community Standards of behaviour.

> Thus the Nota is perfectly in order on Moral grounds, based on

the expressed Moral Opinion of the Community.

> Those invoking Law are out of order - this isn't about Law, it is

about Morality, and the Censors possess Moral Authority.

>
> Valete
> ~ Servius Equitius Mercurius Troianus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: QFabiusMaxmi@a...
> Sent: Jan 29, 2004 7:01 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nota and Trinunican Veto
>
> In a message dated 1/29/04 5:28:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> ksterne@b... writes:
>
> Salvete
> > For example, I as a Tribune may feel the Censorial nota is unfair
> > and that the Censors were wrong in issuing it, but I cannot veto
> > because the nota does not violate the spirit or letter of the
> > Constitution.
> >
> >
> Which is exactly why you must issue that intercessio. You are the

protector

> of the people from all magistrates injustice. No one may question

your

> judgment, that is why you are immune from all prosecution. That is

why death can

> only overturn your ruling.
>
> You are the final defense for the constitution so it cannot be

altered in

> anyway that would be oppressive to the People. You are the final

defense of the

> People against abusive magistrates. You must listen to any citizen

who

> requests your aid.
> You are the ultimate check in a system that is composed of numerous

checks &

> balances.
>
> Only magistrate you cannot overturn is a dictator. And the reason

why is

> obvious. Once the dictator is appointed by the Senate, the

situation is so dire,

> that all checks are removed so the state may survive. One will,

and one only

> now drives the system.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
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---Salve Honoured Sacredos:

A Praetor's complaint about a posting made by me, although private,
is subject to public scruitany. Trials are actually not a 'secret'
unless they are chosen to be made so.

I forwarded the post as I a) didn't for the life of me understand the
nature of the complaint prevailing, although I accept his apology.
His complaint was rather technical and superficial in nature.
With respect to the post he initially complained about, and thought
was private only,
I forward original posts to my mailbox, reply to them and sent them
back to the list. A simple sendpath check would confirm this. I
have enough traffic in my mailbox as it is without a sea of posts
from this list going to my inbox

b) rather than paraphrase what the Praetor
had written I just forwarded his text.

c) although I didn't write 'et omnes' my
letter was meant for the public and very petinent to the discussion
at hand. There was nothing it is accusing anyone of anything, other
than an expression of opinion, and clarification about what I meant
to convey to a previous poster.

The Praetor has closed this, and explained his position, as I have
explained mine, and I bear no ill-will against him.


d) It is not illegal. Does it have
an 'immoral' component, to the extent that I should have a nota
slapped against me, well? by all means,such is your perrogative.
*Do* write the Censors and request a nota.

But as far as I'm concerned, I see that I have the right to go out
into the streets and say "I've received a legal warning I do not
understand", and why at this time, over something so trivial?"
or "I've been charged with murder" as another loose example. I see
you do not approve of my taking such liberties. Again, consult the
Censors.

A while back you were quite worried about nonpractitioning victors
being able to fulfill their duties as magistrates, and further, you
went so far as to pontificate what Christians 'should' believe
and 'not' believe. Such is your opinion, but magistrates giving
sacrifices was only in the consitution for I think, a bit over a
year..would you like post numbers?

Such opining, which, giving you the benefit of the doubt here, was
totally unofficial in nature. Such is not illegal, but is
it 'immoral' that you should tell even those outside your own faith
what they 'may' and 'may not' do, and that, against prevailing
constitutional and collegium consensus, suggest that electorial
victors will not be able to do their jobs? I wasn't screaming for
discipline of you, although atleast one other person (who is a
practitioner by the way) was, and publically, on the basis of
discriminaton and religious intolerance, such, not being the official
opinion of the collegium or the state.

""Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" Jesus from the
Bible

"Know thyself and avoid hubris" We think Apollo from the stones of
Delphi

In other words, honoured Sacredos, examine your own actions in terms
of morality, before you take a can of "Janitor in a Drum" to mine.

As PraetorI have worked on petitions in which people have not been
happy, and they have alluded to these proceedings on the mainlist
while I was in office. Although they, unfortunately, did not
give 'all' of facts, the issue of their talking about it didn't phase
me. I would almost wish they had of forwarded my official posts to
them, to tell the whole story. As a praetor, I am accountable for
what I do and I am subject to public knowledge and appraisal.

But you do as your conscience so tells you.

Valete,
Pompeia




In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:

> Salve;
>
> Pompeia Cornelia Strabo posted a private e-mail, from a Praetor no

less, to the main list and continued to "prove her point." Were is
the public outrage over this? Why is there a double standard in our
Republic. Were is her nota?

>
> Not only did she leave office as Praetor, and resign from the

senate, but now she is publishing private e-mails on the main list!
Were is her Nota!

>
> Vale;
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius
> Tribunus Plebis
>
>
> In a message dated 1/30/2004 5:05:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,

hermeticagnosis@e... writes:

>
> > The Community has registered their opinions of the actions of

L.Sicinius Drusus quite clearly: Over 90% of the Citizens giving
their opinions have stated that the public Posting of

> > a Private Letter is blatantly Wrong.

F. Galerius Aurelianus S.P.D.

WHAT HE SAID! YES, DO IT! REAL GOOD! Let the legal folks organize
the tabularium.


-- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Domitius Constantinus Fuscus"
<domcosfus@f...> wrote:

> Ave
>
> In the avalanche of posts about theoretical matters, I'd like to

focus

> on a pretty practical point, something I think of crucial

importance for

> the present and the future of Nova Roma.
>
> In the past days I found myself in the need of skimming the leges

and

> edicta of Nova Roma and found, as a citizen and a real life law
> graduated, the Tabularium to be extremely hard to use practically.
>
> Leges are dropped in simple chronological order, with the title,

often

> absolutely vague, in latin (which, as we know, most of the

Novaromans

> have little or no knowledge of), no explanation, no division for
> subject, nothing that would help a research, forcing the citizen

looking

> for something to a long, unnerving, task of guessing or skimming

every

> single document that could be even vaguely related, an effort whose
> success is sometimes based on pure luck.
>
> Even worse the edicta section, where, besides the very same flaws

you

> can find for the leges section, you also find placed together

edicta

> that have a direct influence on the citizens (sometimes a huge

impact as

> the edictum about the moderation of the mailing list),

appointments of

> magistrates (included the ones of years ago) and more, making a

logical

> research close to impossible.
>
> Now, it is of clear evidence that the easy accessibility of the

rules is

> the first step for the rules to be known and respected, hence I'd

pray

> the keeper of the tabularium to reorder it.
>
> I personally think the leges should be divided into categories (for
> instance: Laws about the Assemblies, senate, gentes, financial

matters

> and so on), but that in any case the laws should be displayed to

show at

> a glance, together with the latin title, the English translation, a
> brief summary of the content of the law itself and how it

interacts with

> previous laws if it is the case . I also think a document

containing

> *all* the leges should be provided in order to make possible the

most

> basic of the global word search.
>
> For the edicta, I think the ones containing regulations should be

kept

> separate from the ones about the appointment of magistrates or
> side-helpers and in any case that the edicta no longer active

should be

> placed in a separate archive.
>
> With 78 leges and 121 Edicta it is about time, I think, we put

hand to

> organizing them. it must be done now, as with every new lex

dropped in

> the disordered pile, with every new edictum, the task becomes

longer and

> harder.
>
> Vale Bene
>
> Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
> Pater Gentis Constantinae
> Aedilis Urbis ad interim
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete


Yesterday, four new laws have been confirmed by the
Senatus. Now, we have 82 laws (including the ones that
are replaced/overruled).
I uploaded to the "files" section two archives that
can help in this ever-increasing pile of laws:
the archive "lexlist", (in MS Word format, sorry) with
the titles of our leges and some statistics; and
the "arqlex2" (MS Word too, sorry again), with the
complete texts of all laws, in a single archive with
123 pages.


Vale
M.Arminius Maior

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Tiberius Galerius Paulinus writes:

> I have uploaded a photo of a new and improved candidate for the Citizenship ring.
>
> Please take a look and tell me what you think

I think it looks very good. It's a huge, impressive kind of thing.
(For those who haven't yet found the picture, it's in the photos section
of the Yahoo website for this mailing list.)

Would we have to place a minimum order? Or can these be turned out more
or less on demand?

-- Marinus

Salve Troianus,

> "Q.Fabius Maximus, it is not your or anyone else's

place to tell the Tribunes what they MUST do! This is
the sort of hubris that touched off this whole sorry
mess. <

With respect, nor is it yours to tell people what they
can and can post on this list. Last I heard, if Fabius
wished to opine on this list I believe he is free to
do so.

> "The Community has registered their opinions of the

actions of L.Sicinius Drusus quite clearly: Over 90%
of the Citizens giving their opinions have stated that
the public Posting of a Private Letter is blatantly
Wrong." <

Trial by Main List posting, an interesting innovation.
Please let me know if you ever decide to run for
Praetor, so I can pack my bags in advance :-)

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus

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Salve Domiti Constantine,

> In the past days I found myself in the need of skimming the leges and
> edicta of Nova Roma and found, as a citizen and a real life law
> graduated, the Tabularium to be extremely hard to use practically.

I agree. It was a good design three years ago, but we have twice as
many laws now.

> Even worse the edicta section, where, besides the very same flaws you
> can find for the leges section, you also find placed together edicta
> that have a direct influence on the citizens (sometimes a huge impact as
> the edictum about the moderation of the mailing list), appointments of
> magistrates (included the ones of years ago) and more, making a logical
> research close to impossible.

Edicts of appointments will no longer be in the Tabularium. The
Censores' magistrate database is now adequate for that task.

> I personally think the leges should be divided into categories (for
> instance: Laws about the Assemblies, senate, gentes, financial matters
> and so on),

Yes, and heavily hyperlinked by keyword.

> but that in any case the laws should be displayed to show at
> a glance, together with the latin title, the English translation, a
> brief summary of the content of the law itself and how it interacts with
> previous laws if it is the case .

Yes.

This will be one of my top-priority projects for the year.

Vale, Octavius.

--
Marcus Octavius Germanicus.
http://www.graveyards.com/
Anything worth doing is worth doing to excess;
moderation is for monks. - Heinlein

Ave Gai Claudi,

Thank you for your observations. Most Roman reenactment groups I
checked out seem to be outfitted the Julio- Claudian era. I have not
seen any 5th century Roman groups and I heard the same observation
before about movies like Druids where the segmented lorca are shown
80 years before their time.

I this a matter of money because I believe there are or were a few
shops out of England that can make maticulous copies of clothing from
any era so I can ask for a French Foreign Legion uniform, circa
Algeria in 1902 and they'll make it properly. Perhaps the studios
know that people like you, Scaurus, QFM or others are relatively few
in number within the general population with respect to the knowledge
of Rome and will not know the difference. I used to be a western buff
and got so frustrated seeing Winchester 73's and Colt Peace Makers
appear in civil war movies instead of muskets and the cap and ball
pistols where each chamber had to be loaded like a musket with the
addition of precussion caps. I'm aware of the Henri rifle which
looked similar to the 73 but they were very rare. Again, collectors
were upset but the general population did not know the difference.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Kufner" <dkufner50@h...>
wrote:

> Ave,
>
> Vispania as a late roman reenactor and owner of
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Segontium/
>
>
> I can tell you that the romans were definately misrepresented as

far

> as their uniforms and equipment are concerned. Lorica Segmentata
> had gone out of use long before the era portrayed, soldiers would
> wear lorica hamata, squamata, and lamellar.
>
> The Tunica worn by your average soldier was a white/off white color
> with clavi and orbiculi, there are many finds from egypt of this
> period. They also no longer used the curved rectangular scutum,
> this was replaced in favor of a flat or dished semi-ovular or
> circular shield.
>
> The also no longer wore the caligae but calcea, campagi, and other
> closed leather type footwear.
>
> The fighting was way off even for Imperial romans.
> I have yet to see it portrayed correctly. I was very unhappy
> in "Gladiator" when the soldiers did not throw their pila. On the
> USA movie they did more ahistorical stuff by portraying the romans
> as imperials and fighting stupidly and yet again not throwing their
> pila.
>
> The western empire probably would have lasted longer if Aetius

would

> have destroyed the Huns instead of letting them go. Then he could
> have taken out the Visigoths.
>
> Also, the Huns are an Asiatic people not white guys.
>
> Valete,
> Gaius Claudius Cicero

Salve Pompeia Cornelia,

You are exactly right, I was just using "I" as an illustration.
And, although I agree with Quintus Fabius' outline of the role of
the Tribunican veto in antiquia, I do not believe our Constitution
gives as much power to the Tribunes of Nova Roma.

I also re-emphasize, I am just commenting on the powers of our
Tribunes, I am not defending the recent nota or commenting on its
appropriateness.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_cornelia"
<scriba_forum@h...> wrote:

> ---
>
>
> Salve Maxime:
>
> The only darned problem is, Quintus can't do anything any more,
> because he is not a Tribune any more. I believe he was just
> expressing a theoretical opinion on the role of the tribunes.
>
> Pompeia
>

Believe me Pompeia, I will do as my conscience tells me to do.

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 1/30/2004 9:21:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
scriba_forum@... writes:
But you do as your conscience so tells you.

Valete,
Pompeia


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve Romans

I did not submit this in time for the January Eagle, so I would like to wish the following citizens a

Happy January Birthday*

Gnaeus Aeneas Appollonius Indicus
Lucius Suetonius Nerva
Minervina Iucundia Flavia
Quintus Salix Cantaber
Annia Octavia Indagatrix
Gaia Fabia Livia
Gaius Scipiadus Scipio Gamba
Decimus Octavius Lucas
Gaius Adrianus Sergius
Carolus Rufius Iovinus
Lucius Minicius Laietanus
Alexandria Iulia Agrippa
Titus Varrus Stilicho
Iulius Aemilius Felsinus
Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura
Philippus Arminius Remus
Quintus Iunius Dominicus
Manius Constantinus Serapio
Marcus Quintius Andronicus
Marcus Arminius Maior
Secundus Avisius Apollinarius
Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus



*Birthday greetings for our Assidui citizens
anuary Birthday

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Salve Romans

Again because I did not submit this to the Eagle on time I would like to wish the following citizens a happy anniversary of their Nova Roman Citizenship.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

Happy Anniversary January
2001 | 1 | 1 | Lucius Salix Cicero
2001 | 1 | 1 | Gnaeus Salix Galaicus
2003 | 1 | 2 | Iulius Aemilius Felsinus
1999 | 1 | 5 | Prima Fabia Drusila
2002 | 1 | 6 | Renata Corva Cantrix
2001 | 1 | 7 | Sextus Arminius Remus
2003 | 1 | 8 | Annia Minucia-Tiberia Sempronia
2002 | 1 | 11 | Marcus Iulius Perusianus
2000 | 1 | 15 | Raina Cornelia Valeria Iuliana Aeternia
2000 | 1 | 16 | Pompeia Cornelia Strabo
2001 | 1 | 16 | Lentulus Cornelius Drusus
2002 | 1 | 18 | Aurelia Iulia Pulcra
2002 | 1 | 21 | Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
2001 | 1 | 25 | Gnaeus Aeneas Appollonius Indicus
2001 | 1 | 25 | Gaius Marcius Coriolanus
2002 | 1 | 29 | Numerius Cassius Niger
2003 | 1 | 30 | Hedea Bianchia Dryantilla
2003 | 1 | 30 | Gaius Ursus Casca
2003 | 1 | 30 | Gaia Flavia Aureliana
2003 | 1 | 30 | Secundus Avisius Apollinarius
1999 | 1 | 30 | Marcus Cornelius Felix
2003 | 1 | 30 | Livia Cornelia Hibernia
2002 | 1 | 31 | Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus


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Salvete Gaius Modius et Omnes:

In keeping with the proper proceedings, I hereby furnish the post
numbers to which I refer in my discourse to you in message 20275 to
your message in 20270.

They are: 18564, and 18620. For your benefit, message 18576 was
offered by a magistrate as the official take on the discussion which
prevailed at the time.

As a side note, I am in a bit of a quandry as to find documentation
to the effect, in this forum or in the tabularium where resignation
from office is subject to Nota or legal penalty.

Valete,
Pompeia


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:

> Believe me Pompeia, I will do as my conscience tells me to do.
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius
>
> In a message dated 1/30/2004 9:21:24 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> scriba_forum@h... writes:
> But you do as your conscience so tells you.
>
> Valete,
> Pompeia
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Gaius Popillius Laenas Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit,

I, Gaius Popillius Laenas (John Keith Sterne) do hereby solemnly
swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the
best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Popillius Laenas (John Keith
Sterne) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private
life.

I, Gaius Popillius Laenas (John Keith Sterne) swear to uphold and
defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and
swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the
State Religion.

I, Gaius Popillius Laenas (John Keith Sterne) swear to protect and
defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gaius Popillius Laenas (John Keith Sterne) further swear to
fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of
Propraetor America Austrorientalis to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Propraetor America Austrorientalis and
all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities
attendant thereto.

Salve

--- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> escreveu: >
Salve Romans

>
> I have uploaded a photo of a new and improved
> candidate for the Citizenship ring.
>
> Please take a look and tell me what you think

M.Arminius: An impressive ring. BTW, anybody knows if
a true senatorial roman ring survived to modern days?
In one those discussions about rings, i remember of a
link with hundreds of ancient roman rings, but they
are all common rings.

> Vale
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

Vale

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--- Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
<domcosfus@...> escreveu: > Ave

>
> In the avalanche of posts about theoretical matters,
> I'd like to focus
> on a pretty practical point, something I think of
> crucial importance for
> the present and the future of Nova Roma.

[..]forcing

> the citizen looking
> for something to a long, unnerving, task [..]
> an effort whose
> success is sometimes based on pure luck.
>
> Even worse the edicta section, [..]
> making a logical research close to impossible.
>
> Now, it is of clear evidence that the easy
> accessibility of the rules is
> the first step for the rules to be known and
> respected, hence I'd pray
> the keeper of the tabularium to reorder it.

M.Arminius: I remember that M.Octavius, years ago,
suggested the creation of a new Vigintisexviri
position, a "Curator Tabularium". Not a bad idea, such
a magistrate would have direct responsability on this
issue, concentrating his efforts.

> I personally think the leges should be divided into
> categories (for
> instance: Laws about the Assemblies, senate, [..]
> a brief summary of the content of the law itself
> and how it interacts with
> previous laws if it is the case . I also think a
> document containing
> *all* the leges should be provided in order to make
> possible the most
> basic of the global word search.

M.Arminius: Aha. Please take a look at the
"arqlex2.doc" archive at the "files" section.

> For the edicta, I think the ones containing
> regulations should be kept
> separate from the ones about the appointment of
> magistrates or
> side-helpers and in any case that the edicta no
> longer active should be
> placed in a separate archive.

M.Arminius: I was thinking in build a glossary, and
commentaries in the text of each lex, but separating
the valid leges from the invalid is a better idea.

> With 78 leges and 121 Edicta it is about time, I
> think, we put hand to
> organizing them. it must be done now, as with every
> new lex dropped in
> the disordered pile, with every new edictum, the
> task becomes longer and harder.

M.Arminius: While investigating the NR archives, i
discovered that one lex was missing the tabularium for
a lot of time. To say the truth, i believe that there
are at least one Decreta and some Senatus Consulta
missing too (or at least in the wrong order). Right
now, i am counting the SCs (since, as a senator, i
have acess to the senate list), and thinking in a way
to numerate them. It take a lot of time.

> Vale Bene
> Domitius Constantinus Fuscus

Vale
M.Arminius


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Salvete


As a lictor of the Comitia Curiata, I hereby witness
and acknowledge the nominations of the new Sacerdos of
Nova Roma.

I recognize Gaius Minutius Hadrianus as the new
Pontifex of Nova Roma

I recognize Gaius Modius Athanasius as the new Augur
of Nova Roma

May the Gods and the spirit of Roma Antiqua watch over
the Sacerdos of Nova Roma, and grant them the guidance
and wisdom for the positive furtherance of Romanitas.
May this sacred bond bring favor upon our Nation and
our Citizens.


Valete
Marcus Arminius Maior


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Salvete, omnes.

I have completed an index of NR leges and an manual of NR law which is
undergoing proofing before publication. I am doing the same for
senatusconsulta, and decreta. I shall also prepare an index of
_current_ edicta, since I no point except historical curiousity to keep
an active index of edicta no longer in effect. It was Cn. Salix's idea
to link an online version of the index to the Tabularium so that one is
instantly taken to the relevant lex by clicking on the citation in the
index. That portion of the project is a bit beyond my HTML skills and
he will handle it eventually. This is a problem which has been worked
on for most of last year and for which is fix is forthcoming. The
hard-copy indices will be updated annually and the online version can be
updated as needed once it is operational.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus

---
Avete Quitites;
many congratulations Gai Minuti! what a wonderful honour & may the
Dii & Deas have Roma greatly prosper, in seeing how they are so
honoured!
valete Fabia Vera

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M Arminius Maior <marminius@y...> wrote:

> Salvete
>
>
> As a lictor of the Comitia Curiata, I hereby witness
> and acknowledge the nominations of the new Sacerdos of
> Nova Roma.
>
> I recognize Gaius Minutius Hadrianus as the new
> Pontifex of Nova Roma
>
> I recognize Gaius Modius Athanasius as the new Augur
> of Nova Roma
>
> May the Gods and the spirit of Roma Antiqua watch over
> the Sacerdos of Nova Roma, and grant them the guidance
> and wisdom for the positive furtherance of Romanitas.
> May this sacred bond bring favor upon our Nation and
> our Citizens.
>
>
> Valete
> Marcus Arminius Maior
>
>
>

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>
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Salve Iulius Scaurus

This is great news! I appreciate just how big a job this has been for
you having had to do a similar task for software documentation
several years ago. Thanks to your efforts Nova Roma will soon have
its "Westlaw"!

Thank you!

Bene Vale
Livia Cornelia Hibernia

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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Rose <gfr@w...> wrote:
> G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.
>
> Salvete, omnes.
>
> I have completed an index of NR leges and an manual of NR law which
is
> undergoing proofing before publication. I am doing the same for
> senatusconsulta, and decreta. I shall also prepare an index of
> _current_ edicta, since I no point except historical curiousity to
keep
> an active index of edicta no longer in effect. It was Cn. Salix's
idea
> to link an online version of the index to the Tabularium so that
one is
> instantly taken to the relevant lex by clicking on the citation in
the
> index. That portion of the project is a bit beyond my HTML skills
and
> he will handle it eventually. This is a problem which has been
worked
> on for most of last year and for which is fix is forthcoming. The
> hard-copy indices will be updated annually and the online version
can be
> updated as needed once it is operational.
>
> Valete.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus

In a message dated 30/01/04 07:02:24 GMT Standard Time, spqr753@...
writes:

> Salve Romans
>
> I have uploaded a photo of a new and improved candidate for the Citizenship
> ring.
>
> Please take a look and tell me what you think
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>

Very impressive! I look forward to more information about the price, as and
when it becomes available to you. In the meantime, thanks for providing such
an excellent photo.

Vale,

Placidia Prisca


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SALVE G CLAUDI CICERO

I find your observations really interesting.

> The western empire probably would have lasted longer if Aetius
> would have destroyed the Huns instead of letting them go. Then he
> could have taken out the Visigoths.

I'm not sure of that, as he probably would have been slayed by
emperor Valentinian even doing so...
And I don't think he could be able to follow Huns, as his army was
really weak after the victory of Campi Catalaunici; moreover, he was
abandoned by Visigots and Burghunds, his strong allies during that
battle!

BENE VALE
L IUL SULLA

A. Apollonius Cordus to Tribune Franciscus Apulus
Caesar and all citizens and peregrines, greetings.

Thank you, Tribune, for posting these results. And I
must say, what an impressive turnout! Is it
unprecedented? I applaud the senators for their diligence.

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Salvete onmes et Salve Decimus Iunius Silanus

Once again I must beg our Moderator's indulgence; while this is a response to an individual it applies in general to the discussion of the Nota and as such pertains to the general discussion.

At no time did I so much as infer that QFM should not voice his opinion!
Had he phrased it as a request to the Tribunes it would have been perfectly acceptable, no matter how outlandish the request; however, it is an outrage for QFM to tell our duly elected Tribunes what they "MUST" do! The use of the Imperative tense made it appear that he was invoking his Authority over them, when in fact he has no authority over the Tribunes.
A "opinion", as you phrased it, would have been "I believe that you ought to", not the imperative "You MUST". Therefore he was not voicing an opinion. If he had been, it would not have been objectionable. Do you understand the difference?

You do not disagree that the overwhelming Public Opinion maintains that Drusus was in the Wrong, nor do you dispute that this constitutes a possible definition of Public Morality, which is within the Censors duties and the basis of this Nota. Instead you act as if this is some kind of 'Mob Rule', a "trial" of some sort by the Citizenry at large.
Nothing could be further from the Truth: The many Postings by concerned Citizens are a clear indication of Public Opinion. This Public Opinion spoke in terms of Right and Wrong, hence forming the basis of a Public Morality on this issue. The Censors have a duty to protect Public Morality.
The Public has declared Posting Private Letters publicly to be wrong; Drusus has violated that; the Censors are protecting the sensibilities of the Public from any further such actions by Drusus by punishing the action he has already done. There is no "Trial" involved: It is a Nota, not a Charge.

An Innovation? Given how vague the Constitution is in this regard, you ought to be relieved that this Nota isn't arbitrary, that it follows a clearly demonstrable matter of Public Morals. It is not just the Censors opinion at work here - although the way that the Constitution is written it would be possible for the Censors to use their own opinion when no clear Public Opinion is available. Instead, the Censors waited until Public Outrage - a demonstration of Public Morals - was perfectly clear. Personally I am very much encouraged by this restraint, and am heartened that someone is finally acting on the People's behalf.
It isn't an "Innovation" - the duties and powers of the Censors has been in the Constitution all along.
Unfortunately they have not been used up 'til now for enforcing the Public Morals, which is regrettable: A handful of people have used the Letter of the Law as a means to run roughshod over the sensibilities of the vast majority of the Citizenry, to no constructive purpose other than their own amusement. Now perhaps that will stop. It should never have been allowed to start!

You are merely surprised that the new Government is taking an interest in this Forum. Personally I welcome it, and hope you will find that the results will be worth it when people can carry on discourse without insults and snideness.

Run for Praetor? I dislike Pollitics intensely, but given my admitted strong desire to see the Main List be a Forum fit for all, then Praetor would be the only Government office I might have any interest in, except possbily List Moderator. I'll let you know next Fall - no need to pack your bags; in truth I hope that you will never feel compelled to pack your bags.

While specifically answering the concerns of an individual, I hope the clarification has been a benefit to many.

Valete omne, et Vale Iunius Silanus
~ Servius Equitius Mercurius Troianus
-----Original Message-----
From: Decimus Iunius Silanus <iuniussilanus@...>
Sent: Jan 30, 2004 9:35 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: On Morality

Salve Troianus,

> "Q.Fabius Maximus, it is not your or anyone else's

place to tell the Tribunes what they MUST do! This is
the sort of hubris that touched off this whole sorry
mess. <

With respect, nor is it yours to tell people what they
can and can post on this list. Last I heard, if Fabius
wished to opine on this list I believe he is free to
do so.

> "The Community has registered their opinions of the

actions of L.Sicinius Drusus quite clearly: Over 90%
of the Citizens giving their opinions have stated that
the public Posting of a Private Letter is blatantly
Wrong." <

Trial by Main List posting, an interesting innovation.
Please let me know if you ever decide to run for
Praetor, so I can pack my bags in advance :-)

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus

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In a message dated 1/30/04 2:12:00 AM Pacific Standard Time,
hermeticagnosis@... writes:

> While I have been trying to stay out of this, now I simply must respond:
> Q.Fabius Maximus, it is not your or anyone else's place to tell the
> Tribunes what they MUST do! This is the sort of hubris that touched off this whole
> sorry mess.
> The Tribunes' only job is to determine whether the Censors have discharged
> their duties correctly; if not, then veto it.
> The duty of the Censors includes upholding the Public Morality and good
> order.
> The Nota has been issued on the basis of the Morality of the actions of
> L.Sicinius Drusus.
> Morality may be considered to be what is Right and what is Wrong; Public
> Morality relates to the Moral standards of the Community.
> The Community has registered their opinions of the actions of L.Sicinius
> Drusus quite clearly: Over 90% of the Citizens giving their opinions have
> stated that the public Posting of a Private Letter is blatantly Wrong.
> Most of the remaining Posts were simply urging that no action be taken;
> they did not state that the action was Right.
> Those defending L.S.Drusus have declared Freedom of Speech applies, with
> most adding that L.S.D.'s speech is reprehensible most of the time, that is,
> morally Wrong.
> Very few - less than 10% - have declared L.S.Drusus' actions to be Right.
> Therefore overwhelmingly the Community Standard of Morality is clearly
> recorded: The Citizenry feels this action was Wrong, which is to say Immoral by
> Community Standards of behaviour.
> Thus the Nota is perfectly in order on Moral grounds, based on the
> expressed Moral Opinion of the Community.
> Those invoking Law are out of order - this isn't about Law, it is about
> Morality, and the Censors possess Moral Authority.
>
>

I think you are full of horse dung...can I say that, Praetors? I'm telling
the Tribunes why they were put into this system to do, not what to do. Which I
have a right to.
I have a feeling that a lot them were not sure.
I don't believe it is 90%. I think you are pulling that number out of thin
air.
All the people I talked to have expressed dismay.

You want to solve this once and for all? Put down a lex saying that posting
private e-mails are illegal in NR. Remove the FORWARD button from the e-mail
client. Of course nobody else in the world does this, but why not us? I mean
we have already pretty much stomped on free speech.
I believe the system, not the people here, is broken, and needs to be
repaired.
But stop this ridiculous posturing.
Fabius



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Salvete Omnes,

I was looking at the site with the future NR ring on it and noticed that
the company charges way to much. They charge $159 for the ring in silver. This
year silver is $99.68 per lb. I doubt the ring weighs 12 oz. Is there away we
are going to make this cheaper for citizens? Or are we going to charge this,
in my view, ridiculous price? Plus the "SPQR" inscription, which might bump it
up about another $50-$100. Most people don't realize how cheap silver is.

BENE.VALE.
MANENS.IN.AMORE.ROMAE.
ET.FORTIS.IN.DIVM.
GNAEVS.SCRIBONIVS.SCRIPTOR.
OPTIO.IN.SODALITATIS.MILITARIVM.
ET.DOMINVS.SODALITATIS.GEOGRAPHIAE.
NOVAE.ROMAE.ET.LEGIONIS.XXIVAE.MA.


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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Servius Equitius Mercurius Troianus
<hermeticagnosis@e...> wrote:

> Salvete Omnes!
>

<snipped>

> Morality may be considered to be what is Right and what is Wrong;

Public Morality relates to the Moral standards of the Community.
<snipped>

> Those invoking Law are out of order - this isn't about Law, it is

about Morality, and the Censors possess Moral Authority.

>
> Valete
> ~ Servius Equitius Mercurius Troianus

Salve Servius Equitius Mercurius Troianus,

Thank you. The Censorial use of the Nota is to safeguard public
morals and honor. Morality and Honor are not legal concepts, they are
philosophical/theological, and cultural concepts that contain vast
shades of gray and the dividing line between moral/immoral and
honorable/dishonorable varies from person to person.

If the Censors believe that in their opinion that the dividing line
has been crossed by anyone then they are fully within their right to
issue a Nota. The person on the receiving end of the Nota certainly
has the right to appeal to the People and let the people decided not
only if a line was crossed but also if the offense is so grave as to
really warrant the severest form of Public Censure. In my opinion
the line between moral and immoral, honorable and dishonorable can be
crossed but not to such an extent as to be deserving of the most
severe form of Public Censure.

In my opinion a moral line has been crossed. I'm not certain as to
whether the level of punishment is fitting with the level of the moral
offense. I'm going to have to think long and hard about it when the
Comitia Populi Tributa is called to hear the appeal.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

Salvete, omnes -

One of our Canadian cives - someone using rogers.com as an ISP and who
presumably has my email address marked in their address book - is
infected with W32.Novarg.A@mm. (If I could figure out who you are, I'd
try to save you the bit of embarrassment by emailing you directly;
however, I figure it's better to cure the problem quickly, especially
since your system is going to be spamming the world with this crud while
the minutes roll.) I also suggest that _anyone_ using Wind0ws (doubly so
if you're on a fast connection) definitely look into updating their AV
definitions; you too may well be a current infection vector without
knowing it.

Anyway - amice, please whap your machine with the ugly stick, I mean
with an anti-virus program. :) All the major AV vendors I know of have
already published an updated definition to catch this thing - which,
incidentally, was responsible (via massive email traffic) for bringing
down the local BellSouth SMTP servers yesterday.

I'm including the headers - which basically say "routed from
[someone]@*.rogers.com disguised as yahoogroups.com, with the sender
name (faked) of novaroma-announce@yahoogroups.com to ben@callahans" -
for reference.


Valete,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Roger's... I believe that's Eastern Canada.

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Salvete, omnes -

One of our Canadian cives - someone using rogers.com as an ISP and who
presumably has my email address marked in their address book - is
infected with W32.Novarg.A@mm. (If I could figure out who you are, I'd
try to save you the bit of embarrassment by emailing you directly;
however, I figure it's better to cure the problem quickly, especially
since your system is going to be spamming the world with this crud while
the minutes roll.) I also suggest that _anyone_ using Wind0ws (doubly so
if you're on a fast connection) definitely look into updating their AV
definitions; you too may well be a current infection vector without
knowing it.

Anyway - amice, please whap your machine with the ugly stick, I mean
with an anti-virus program. :) All the major AV vendors I know of have
already published an updated definition to catch this thing - which,
incidentally, was responsible (via massive email traffic) for bringing
down the local BellSouth SMTP servers yesterday.

I'm including the headers - which basically say "routed from
[someone]@*.rogers.com disguised as yahoogroups.com, with the sender
name (faked) of novaroma-announce@yahoogroups.com to ben@callahans" -
for reference.


Valete,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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CANADA OCCIDENTALIS EDICTA NUMBER EIGHTEEN




APPOINTMENT OF SENIOR LEGATUS FOR CANADA OCCIDENTALIS



31 Jan 2004

Salve

I, Quintus Sertorius, Propraetor Canada Occidentalis, issue the following Edicta
to announce the appointment of Quintus Lanius Paulinus as Senior Legatus
for Canada Occidentalis.

Vale

Quintus Sertorius
Propraetor
Canada Occidentalis




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Salve Romans

A few months ago I suggested a project that was long term in nature but that had a definite goal the establishment of a Nova Roma Center on Roman Civilization. As part of the long term effort we felt that we should start by collecting material for a Library of Roman Civilization.

To that end I would like to request that every Nova Roman donate one or two books or other material to the collection.

When we have accumulated sufficient materials we will start to look for a physical place in which to store and display the library's collection. As I said in November, we would start small, a library of as many books on Rome and her world, and in as many languages that they are written in and we can get our hands on and housed in an appropriate setting. I would suggest that we model the center after the Folger Shakespeare Library in D.C. http://www.folger.edu/Home_02B.html

If you would like to help you may send your donations to:

Nova Roma Library Collection
c/o Timothy P. Gallagher
5496 Ross Court
New Market, Maryland 21774
USA

As donations are received they would be posted to the main List and hopefully on a section of the web page. If you wanted to send an e-mail to say what you are sending that would be great too( to keep down the number of duplicates).

Because this is my idea I should go first. My first two donations are copies of

Principes of Roman Law by Fritz Schulz, Oxford University Press, 1936
Republican Rome: The Army and the Allies by Emilio Gabba, Oxford Basil Blackwell 1976

Besides books you may donate, magazines with articles on Rome( the whole magazine not just the article), History journals, published or unpublished works, war games, movies, films, software just about any material about Rome and her world.

The material in this library would be available for inter-library loan to any Nova Roman the world for a set fee. We would need to do a large number of things but Rome was not build in a day but we can take the first step. In the future we could use the "Center" as a place to further develop the idea of a " Night with a Roman" series of plays that will showcase Roman Civilization and philosophy, to study Roman cooking and the domestic arts, to study the Religio Romana and to train her priests and priestess.



Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

Example

From the future Nova Roma Center web site:

"The Nova Roma Center for Roman Civilization is an independent research library located in XXXXXX. A magnet for scholars from around the globe, the Nova Roma Center is home to the world's largest collection of books and other material on the -history , politics, theology, science, law and the arts of the Roman . Included in the collections are over XXXXXXX books and manuscripts; paintings, drawings, engravings, and prints; and musical instruments, costumes, and films.

In addition to its scholarly mission, the Nova Roma Center serves as a museum devoted to life and times of Romans. Visitors may view changing exhibitions, which feature items from the collections, or take a guided tour of the building." ( paraphrased from the Folger website as an example)







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G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is pridie Kalendae Februarii; the day is comitialis.

Tomorrow is Kalendae Februarii; the day is nefastus. It is the feria
of Iuno Sospita. A sacrifice to Iuno Sospita and Ianus was made by a
Pontifex and the Rex Sacrorum in the Comitia Calabra after which the
Pontifex would announce the date of the Nonae Februarii. Shortly
thereafter the Regina Sacrorum made sacrifice to Iuno Sospita in the
Regia. Iuno Sospita (Iuno the Saviour) is an aspect of Iuno
associated with agriculture and fertility.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex

G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Evergétisme à Barcelone: les Lucius Minicius Natalis
père et filsi [Euergetism at Barcelona: The Lucii Minicii Natales,
father and son]":

http://www.noctes-gallicanae.org/Epigraphie/ev_barcelone.htm

This is another section from Alain Canu's "Noctes Gallicanae" website
which looks at inscriptions which reflect the spirit of public service
associated with donations by a family of prominent citizens in a
provincial city. The texts are in Latin with French translations.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Servius Equitius Mercurius Troianus
<hermeticagnosis@e...> wrote:

> Salvete Omnes!

Salve Troiane,

My apologies to all since this issue is now in the hands of the
censors and the revised nota they mentioned, and possibly a comitia
after that and so in essence this moved on a day or two ago. I am
reluctant to comment again and waste time and bandwidth but some of
this deserves one response, though it is rehashing old issues.

> The Nota has been issued on the basis of the Morality of the
>actions of L.Sicinius Drusus.

No, initially the nota was issued in large part due to legal issues:
violation of the list rules and Yahoo rules, both of which turned out
to be false. These were presented as legal issues, not moral issues
so it made sense to criticize the nota on legal grounds.

Also, the point about going outside the judicial process, the point
that deserved the most serious consideration in the nota, also was a
legal point, obliquely at least, and to many people the most
disturbing of all the things Drusus was accused of doing.

Thus, legal issues were discussed because the censors didn't say
Drusus did this or that immoral act but broke this or that rule.

> The Community has registered their opinions of the actions of
>L.Sicinius Drusus quite clearly: Over 90% of the Citizens giving
>their opinions have stated that the public Posting of a Private
>Letter is blatantly Wrong.

If it was blatantly wrong then wouldn't it be prohibited either by
the list guidelines or by Yahoo? This was the most minor of the
points in the nota and the one that I have the most trouble giving
serious consideration. It may be "wrong" but it's not Wrong with
capital letters as you write it. Let's please keep some perspective
here about degrees of right and wrong. Posting a "private" email may
be a minor wrong but those who have used email for a long time know
that in most cases, there are few expectations of real privacy, nor
does email receive any kind of legal protection in general. Go back
and look at the character and content of the original letter, which
was at least partly threatening and was essentially a piece of
unpleasantness from one "enemy" to another "enemy." No love lost
there. Did the writer think of it as protected speech and think
Drusus would keep it sacrosanct? I think that would be an unrealistic
expectation considering their relationship. If the situation were
reversed and Galerius Secundus had posted something Drusus had sent
him I would still say it was a minor issue because it is, one which
we have spent too much time on already.

A nota in such a case is like advocating the death penalty for
someone who drove 60 mph in a 50 mph zone, except unlike speeding
Drusus broke no law or rule so perhaps the speeding analogy is too
serious.

> Most of the remaining Posts were simply urging that no action be
>taken; they did not state that the action was Right.

Actually, in response to the most serious charge in the nota, about
going outside our judicial system, quite a few of us declared that
going outside the NR judicial process is a right guaranteed by our
laws. The real dispute is whether he should have but I don't think
this required a nota. Was it moral for him to go outside our system?
Well, if it's legally protected by our laws, can it be immoral? A
question that is being addressed in part on the laws list. This issue
is to many the most serious charge, one citizen even suggested that
one should *possibly* lose his citizenship in such a case. I don't
agree but understand others' concerns here.

> Those defending L.S.Drusus have declared Freedom of Speech
>applies, with most adding that L.S.D.'s speech is reprehensible most
>of the time, that is, morally Wrong.

Good Gods, that's a nice subjective yardstick. What if I find this
post of yours reprehensible? That makes what you say morally wrong
because I say so? Should you receive a nota? Besides, the nota was
based mostly not on what Drusus said but for his going outside our
system and to a lesser extent for posting a private email on this
list.

> Very few - less than 10% - have declared L.S.Drusus' actions to
>be Right.
> Therefore overwhelmingly the Community Standard of Morality is

clearly recorded: The Citizenry feels this action was Wrong, which is
to say Immoral by Community Standards of behaviour.

> Thus the Nota is perfectly in order on Moral grounds, based on
>the expressed Moral Opinion of the Community.

Really? In contrast to your theoretical 90 percent - 10 percent
numbers, most people I have actually talked to on and off list think
the nota is wrong, overkill. Even people I thought would support the
nota are against it. In short, most I have talked to think it an
injustice and an overreaction. Like killing a fly by burning a house
down. I have heard people agree that Drusus was wrong to post a
private email and that Drusus is a SOB but few agree that the nota
was the correct response. I have heard people say they think it
personally wrong to circumvent our system but recognize his right to
do so.

> Those invoking Law are out of order - this isn't about Law, it is
>about Morality, and the Censors possess Moral Authority.

Wrong again. When the censors don't invoke their "moral authority"
(which unfortunately has greatly diminished due to this incident) but
instead invoke legal issues, as they did with this nota in large
part, then they will be criticized on legal grounds. I assume the
revised nota will focus more on "morals," a very gray area. We'll see
then whether they still should still receive criticism or if they'll
be on more solid ground.

Of course this brings up the entire idea of whether any two
magistrates should have such far- reaching powers without some kind
of strict guidelines besides that regretful phrase, "guarding the
public morals and honor." Obviously this phrase is too vague and
potentially dangerous without more strictly defined limitations,
since currently they can impose punishments for relatively minor
transgressions that they *feel* subjectively are "morally" wrong.

Vale,

Palladius

SALVE L IUL SULLA,

Due to the fact that Atilla had retreated to his wagon lager and was
ready to kill himself if attacked (if this is even true). Even a
disconcerted effort to raid or even simply lay seige to the camp
could have eliminated his later hunnic threat to the empire. It
would have saved many towns and much resources for the empire.

I didn't mean turn on the visigoths immediately after the battle but
during the next campaign year.

Whether Valentinian would have had him killed or not, I wouldn't say
is an easy thing to comment on as we don't know his motives.

Peace is not won with gold but iron.

Valete,

G CLAUDI CICERO

Ave Gnaeus Scribonius!

Your knowledge of silver prices shows you to be a man
familiar with metal. As a budding metalsmith I too
know a few things about various elements and alloys.
How is it that you come by your wisdom?

What you say about the price for the ring and cost of
materials is true. It is the labour costs that would
make it that expensive. Give me a year and maybe I'll
be able to whip something up for cheaper (pending
construction of my shop this spring).


(By the way, what is the proper ending for Gnaeus
anyway, in this instance? ie. Decimus ---> Decime,
etc)

Vale!



=====
Decimus Antoninius Aquilius

______________________________________________________________________
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Gaius Modius Athanasius Quinto Lanio Paulino SPD

As Procurator, senior legate, of Lacus Magni I find my work as a provincial magistrate very rewarding. The provincial leadership have meeting from time to time to get the ball rolling within our great province, and it is very rewarding being a provincial magistrate.

Congradulations!

Vale;

Gaius Modius


In a message dated 1/31/2004 12:11:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, nate@... writes:

> I, Quintus Sertorius, Propraetor Canada Occidentalis, issue the following Edicta
> to announce the appointment of Quintus Lanius Paulinus as
> Senior Legatus
> for Canada Occidentalis.
>
> Vale
>
> Quintus Sertorius
> Propraetor
> Canada Occidentalis

Salve Decimus Antoninius Aquilius,

I do have some sort of knowledge on metals and alloy's but not that much.
One thing I do know is that silver is very cheap. I have purchases several
items and silver before, some much larger and heavier than that ring, and they
were never that much. I think that is ridiculous price for labor. Well, I do
remember quite a bit from school. Metals always interest me.

You would we able to make something like this cheaper? Really? That is
interesting. Maybe once you shop is constructed in the spring you could make
them for Nova Roma rather than buy it from that company. What do you think? Could
you make that with the Aquilia (Eagle) and the SPQR?

Well, I am not to familiar with the endings for addressing people. I
usually just write it how it appears in the Album Civium. But I think it might be
Gnaee. I am not sure.

BENE.VALE.
MANENS.IN.AMORE.ROMAE.
ET.FORTIS.IN.DIVM.
GNAEVS.SCRIBONIVS.SCRIPTOR.
OPTIO.IN.SODALITATIS.MILITARIVM.
ET.DOMINVS.SODALITATIS.GEOGRAPHIAE.
NOVAE.ROMAE.ET.LEGIONIS.XXIVAE.MA.


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Salve Servi Equiti

Quite an exhaustive post. I fear mine will be less
substantial but I would like to reply to some portions
of it.

> "At no time did I so much as infer that QFM should

not voice his opinion!" <

You kind of did actually, as you have done to numerous
people on numerous occasions in the past. If it is
Fabius opinion that, based on this or that part of our
laws and Constitution, the tribunes must invoke
intercessio then he is at liberty to state it.

> "Had he phrased it as a request to the Tribunes it

would have been perfectly acceptable" <

Perhaps you would like us all to send you our posts
beforehand so that you may change to wording that you
find more palatable. Again, it is not your place to
determine what is and what is not acceptable to anyone
but yourself.

> "You do not disagree that the overwhelming Public

Opinion maintains that Drusus was in the Wrong" <

But I do. As for your 90/10 split - that just made me
laugh.

> "nor do you dispute that this constitutes a possible

definition of Public Morality, which is within the
Censors duties and the basis of this Nota"<

This has been answered far more eloquently by
Palladius. I shall not repeat his argument suffice to
say the nota based itself substantially on supposed
legal misdemeanours. It lends itself to scrutiny on
those grounds.

> "Instead you act as if this is some kind of 'Mob

Rule', a "trial" of some sort by the Citizenry at
large." <

?????

You stated that 90% of main list posters supporting
this nota as a reason for it standing. I hope I
highlighted the absurdity of that argument. Who
mentioned mob rule?

> "The Public has declared Posting Private Letters

publicly to be wrong" <

Again, are the public to be treated as a bloc vote
now, who's wishes are to be determined by yourself?

Just what kind of a Nova Roma do you want Troianus?

> "It is a Nota, not a Charge." <

I, and others, are still at liberty to disagree with
it and to question it publicly if we so wish.

> "Given how vague the Constitution is in this regard,

you ought to be relieved that this Nota isn't
arbitrary, that it follows a clearly demonstrable
matter of Public Morals." <

For goodness sakes, the application of morals is
arbitrary. There is no such thing as 'public morals'
as you put it. What is perfectly acceptable to one is
not to another. You cannot attempt to blanket us all
in your definition of what constitutes morality. I for
one think I would suffocate.

> "It is not just the Censors opinion at work here -

although the way that the Constitution is written it
would be possible for the Censors to use their own
opinion when no clear Public Opinion is available.
Instead, the Censors waited until Public Outrage - a
demonstration of Public Morals - was perfectly clear."
<

Public outrage ???.

Surely you exaggerate. I certainly didn't notice any
public outrage, as you put it. I certainly didn't see
much clamouring for the application of a nota. Stop
window-dressing this as the people vs Drusus. Thats
not what this is about, nor should it be.

> "Personally I am very much encouraged by this

restraint, and am heartened that someone is finally
acting on the People's behalf." <

I don't mind telling you that I was utterly
discouraged by the application of the nota. It did not
feel too good being a Nova Roman that day. Certainly
such a polarising and divisive event could not have
been envisaged.



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Salvete,

The first issue of provincia Britannia's newsletter,
Inter Alia, is now available for perusal at:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BritanniaProvincia/files/Inter%20Alia/

You may need to subscribe to the elist in order to
read.

This quite excellent newsletter is the work of
Cornelius Moravius Laureatus Armoricus and Gaia Flavia
Aureliana and all commendations must go to them.

They are a credit to their provincia.

Valete

Decimus Iunius Silanus
Propraetor Britanniae.


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Sorry, the initial version of this post was sent
without a signature. You have my apologies.

Salve Servi Equiti

Quite an exhaustive post. I fear mine will be less
substantial but I would like to reply to some portions
of it.

> "At no time did I so much as infer that QFM should

not voice his opinion!" <

You kind of did actually, as you have done to numerous
people on numerous occasions in the past. If it is
Fabius opinion that, based on this or that part of our
laws and Constitution, the tribunes must invoke
intercessio then he is at liberty to state it.

> "Had he phrased it as a request to the Tribunes it

would have been perfectly acceptable" <

Perhaps you would like us all to send you our posts
beforehand so that you may change to wording that you
find more palatable. Again, it is not your place to
determine what is and what is not acceptable to anyone
but yourself.

> "You do not disagree that the overwhelming Public

Opinion maintains that Drusus was in the Wrong" <

But I do. As for your 90/10 split - that just made me
laugh.

> "nor do you dispute that this constitutes a possible

definition of Public Morality, which is within the
Censors duties and the basis of this Nota"<

This has been answered far more eloquently by
Palladius. I shall not repeat his argument suffice to
say the nota based itself substantially on supposed
legal misdemeanours. It lends itself to scrutiny on
those grounds.

> "Instead you act as if this is some kind of 'Mob

Rule', a "trial" of some sort by the Citizenry at
large." <

?????

You stated that 90% of main list posters supporting
this nota as a reason for it standing. I hope I
highlighted the absurdity of that argument. Who
mentioned mob rule?

> "The Public has declared Posting Private Letters

publicly to be wrong" <

Again, are the public to be treated as a bloc vote
now, who's wishes are to be determined by yourself?

Just what kind of a Nova Roma do you want Troianus?

> "It is a Nota, not a Charge." <

I, and others, are still at liberty to disagree with
it and to question it publicly if we so wish.

> "Given how vague the Constitution is in this regard,

you ought to be relieved that this Nota isn't
arbitrary, that it follows a clearly demonstrable
matter of Public Morals." <

For goodness sakes, the application of morals is
arbitrary. There is no such thing as 'public morals'
as you put it. What is perfectly acceptable to one is
not to another. You cannot attempt to blanket us all
in your definition of what constitutes morality. I for
one think I would suffocate.

> "It is not just the Censors opinion at work here -

although the way that the Constitution is written it
would be possible for the Censors to use their own
opinion when no clear Public Opinion is available.
Instead, the Censors waited until Public Outrage - a
demonstration of Public Morals - was perfectly clear."
<

Public outrage ???.

Surely you exaggerate. I certainly didn't notice any
public outrage, as you put it. I certainly didn't see
much clamouring for the application of a nota. Stop
window-dressing this as the people vs Drusus. Thats
not what this is about, nor should it be.

> "Personally I am very much encouraged by this

restraint, and am heartened that someone is finally
acting on the People's behalf." <

I don't mind telling you that I was utterly
discouraged by the application of the nota. It did not
feel too good being a Nova Roman that day. Certainly
such a polarising and divisive event could not have
been envisaged.

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus

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In a message dated 1/31/04 4:16:23 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
romalist2@... writes:

> Give me a year and maybe I'll
> be able to whip something up for cheaper (pending
> construction of my shop this spring).
>
>
>

Salvete,

Today I got a catalogue from Rio Grande gems & findings. The costs for uncast
silver even in fine quality are reasonable. the Cost of an injection machine,
multiple ring blanks and the customing/making that first unique blank and so
forth are not. let alone labor for the various stages .

I wonder of the dealer is really a middleman and that would explain more of
the costs. I sell glasses for a living and I get the same complaints. It hard
to grasp that your paying for me, the store rent, the utilities, the purchase
of the lens, the computer and person that grinds the lens and a bunch more
before you even get to the frame costs. It adds up fast .

It can't hurt to keep looking and considering various options

Prima Fabia Drusila
Provincia Lacus Magni
Legatus Regionis Occidentalis
(Indiana ,Illinois)


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Salvete omnes et Salve Athanasius!

As this relates to the ongoing discussions, I am placing this on the Main List - my apologies, Noricus!
All I can say, Sir, is that it is a new Government with new Magistrates. This being the case, someone has to be first - Drusus just happens to have that distinction.
I hope, in the interest of fairness, that it shall be as you describe: That henceforth any and all violators shall be recieving warnings or Nota for poor behaviour on the Main List, because wrongful behaviour in this Public Venue, which is observed by prospective newcomers and visitors alike, must be halted.
If fairness is NOT maintained equally, then at that time THAT shall become the issue and I will back you up on that.
Nevertheless, public opinion of Right and Wrong IS the standard for determining Public Morality, and Public Morality is the duty of the Censors to enforce. They have begun doing so, and I trust that they shall continue doing so in a fair and impartial manner. Let us at least give them the opportunity to do so, please.
I mention this because several people have complained that this is Germanicus performing a private vendetta, and I must disagree - if there were not such a great outcry making the Public's Moral feelings abundantly clear, then this suspician might have lingered. However, there HAS been much outcry, overwhelmingly declaring the behaviour of LSD to be Morally WRONG, and this clearly indicates the benchmark for enforcement.
Had it been an action by Germanicus alone, then some of the alarm might be justified; However, the Public has made their Moral opinion clear, and so Germanicus is simply discharging his duties by enforcing the declared Public Moral Standard of the Republic, nothing more. To the Lawyers I repeat, this is NOT a matter of Law but of Morality, and maintaining the Public Morals is the duty of the Censors. They are doing this duty, and are to be commended for it.

Valete
~ Servius Equitius Mercurius Troianus

-----Original Message-----
From: AthanasiosofSpfd@...
Sent: Jan 30, 2004 3:58 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] On Morality

Salve;

Pompeia Cornelia Strabo posted a private e-mail, from a Praetor no less, to the main list and continued to "prove her point." Were is the public outrage over this? Why is there a double standard in our Republic. Were is her nota?

Not only did she leave office as Praetor, and resign from the senate, but now she is publishing private e-mails on the main list! Were is her Nota!

Vale;

Gaius Modius Athanasius
Tribunus Plebis


In a message dated 1/30/2004 5:05:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, hermeticagnosis@... writes:

> The Community has registered their opinions of the actions of L.Sicinius Drusus quite clearly: Over 90% of the Citizens giving their opinions have stated that the public Posting of
> a Private Letter is blatantly Wrong.

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Salus et fortuna,

I have neither seen nor voted in a poll about the question, which
supposedly has has a 90/10 split of pro v. con. I should venture the
opinion then, that such a statement about said support split is wildly
hyperbolic.

Silence about an issue is not necessarily support, it may be boredom
with the sameness of the bickering that one has seen in over 3 decades
of tootling around the re-creationist and re-constructionist communities.

But, each new community must, I have seen, pass through the same stages
of growth.

And yet, even mature communities with which I am familiar, still have
their small, shrill voices from the wings; like Chorus warning the Hero
of Hubris and Disaster, offering barbs and goads...

May I once again make this, my favorite point?

Those who are most active within Nova Roma, within any community, are
there to build for those who follow. We of the first generation within
the New City, are explorers and surveyors, dreamers and planners, and,
perhaps, will dig the footing trenches within which, those who follow,
will lay the foundation stones upon which the walls and columns of a New
Forum shall arise.

Perhaps, if we do our duty well enough, this shall come to pass.

If not, this too, shall pass...

mea sententia - Venator

" He was one hundred and seventy days dying and not yet dead..."

Salve Prima Fabia Drusila who said in part

"I wonder of the dealer is really a middleman and that would explain more of the costs."

No Mike is the owner of the shop and the craftsman that will be making the ring if we go with him.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 7:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma Ring


In a message dated 1/31/04 4:16:23 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
romalist2@... writes:


> Give me a year and maybe I'll
> be able to whip something up for cheaper (pending
> construction of my shop this spring).
>
>
>
Salvete,

Today I got a catalogue from Rio Grande gems & findings. The costs for uncast
silver even in fine quality are reasonable. the Cost of an injection machine,
multiple ring blanks and the customing/making that first unique blank and so
forth are not. let alone labor for the various stages .

I wonder of the dealer is really a middleman and that would explain more of
the costs. I sell glasses for a living and I get the same complaints. It hard
to grasp that your paying for me, the store rent, the utilities, the purchase
of the lens, the computer and person that grinds the lens and a bunch more
before you even get to the frame costs. It adds up fast .

It can't hurt to keep looking and considering various options

Prima Fabia Drusila
Provincia Lacus Magni
Legatus Regionis Occidentalis
(Indiana ,Illinois)


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Salve, Decius Iunius Palladius -

On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 07:42:15AM -0000, deciusiunius wrote:
>
> Let's please keep some perspective
> here about degrees of right and wrong.

[snip]

> A nota in such a case is like advocating the death penalty for
> someone who drove 60 mph in a 50 mph zone, except unlike speeding
> Drusus broke no law or rule so perhaps the speeding analogy is too
> serious.

Sorry, didn't you just mention keeping some perspective? A nota is
nothing like the death penalty - in fact, since Drusus has shown a
complete disregard for the legal structure of Nova Roma and has
repeatedly stated his contempt for Nova Roma, to him it is no penalty at
all - and his actions were far more akin to, say, someone in America in
1775 or 1776 appealing to the British government for help, something
that would be seen as treason. Your metaphor shares no resemblance to
any of the pertinent facts, and certainly does not present any rational
perspective; instead, it seems like nothing more than highly
inflammatory rhetoric designed to make Drusus' actions look acceptable.

> I have heard people say they think it
> personally wrong to circumvent our system but recognize his right to
> do so.

Quite a tricky word there, "right". One that's been misused by everyone
on Drusus' side repeatedly and without let-up. Let me draw the dividing
line, then: *from the macronational perspective*, Drusus has the right
to appeal to Yahoo, etc. *From the legal perspective of Nova Roma*, he
has denied Nova Roma jurisdiction over his actions in this matter. It's
been said before, and it bears repeating: if this is just a role-playing
game, then it doesn't matter and Yahoo becomes the only court of appeal.
If we're a nation with laws and courts, then Drusus action are
tantamount to treason. Take your pick; I'm afraid you don't get to have
both, which is what your argument implies.

> Of course this brings up the entire idea of whether any two
> magistrates should have such far- reaching powers without some kind
> of strict guidelines besides that regretful phrase, "guarding the
> public morals and honor." Obviously this phrase is too vague and
> potentially dangerous without more strictly defined limitations,
> since currently they can impose punishments for relatively minor
> transgressions that they *feel* subjectively are "morally" wrong.

If my reading is correct, then that is in complete accordance with the
mos maiorum. You are welcome to argue that we should not follow it in
this case, but I believe you'll find strong opposition if you do.


Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Mens agitat molem.
The mind moves the matter.
-- Vergil, "Aenis"

Salve, Decimus Iunius Silanus; salvete, omnes.

On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 12:32:10PM +0000, Decimus Iunius Silanus wrote:
> Servius Equitius wrote:
>
> > "Given how vague the Constitution is in this regard,
> you ought to be relieved that this Nota isn't
> arbitrary, that it follows a clearly demonstrable
> matter of Public Morals." <
>
> For goodness sakes, the application of morals is
> arbitrary. There is no such thing as 'public morals'
> as you put it. What is perfectly acceptable to one is
> not to another. You cannot attempt to blanket us all
> in your definition of what constitutes morality. I for
> one think I would suffocate.

Although I definitely support the Nota against Drusus, I find that I
must agree with you on this specific point. Well phrased, sir.


Regards,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Qui statuit aliquid parte inaudita altera, aequum licet statuerit.
One who passes sentence on something without having heard the other part isn't
just, even if the sentence is just.
-- Seneca Philosophus, Medea. Cf. "audietur et altera pars."

SALVE G CLAUDI CICERO

It is always hard -impossible- to do history with "if", but I find
it an interesting way of understandid facts happened. I have to say
also that we never know the truth about it, so we can only make some
guesses.

What I believe, is that Etius could not follow Attila because he had
a weak army after the battle of Campi Catalaunici of 451 a.D.; you
say that Etius could have attacked during the following year, but it
would have been impossible, as Attila run in Italia just the
following year (spring of 452), beginning the destruction of
northern Italy, and there was not in Italia, at the moment, an army
as strong as the Hunnic one, because Visigots and Burgunds did fly
away, as I wrote, and Etius did not have an army, only the fleet of
Marcianus, Emperor of Constantinople.
So, even if he wanted, Etius did not have the time to create another
army to seek Attila...

My opinion is that te Empire would not have survived even without
the destruction of northern Italy from Attila, as there were *so
many* reasons for it to collapse, not only economical ones!

BENE VALE
L IUL SULLA

> Due to the fact that Atilla had retreated to his wagon lager and

was

> ready to kill himself if attacked (if this is even true). Even a
> disconcerted effort to raid or even simply lay seige to the camp
> could have eliminated his later hunnic threat to the empire. It
> would have saved many towns and much resources for the empire.
> I didn't mean turn on the visigoths immediately after the battle

but

> during the next campaign year.
> Whether Valentinian would have had him killed or not, I wouldn't

say

> is an easy thing to comment on as we don't know his motives.
>
> Peace is not won with gold but iron.
>
> Valete,
>
> G CLAUDI CICERO

Cn. Salix Astur Quiritibus S.P.D.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Decimus Iunius Silanus
<iuniussilanus@y...> wrote:

> Salvete,
>
> The first issue of provincia Britannia's newsletter,
> Inter Alia, is now available for perusal at:
>
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BritanniaProvincia/files/Inter%20Alia/
>
> You may need to subscribe to the elist in order to
> read.
>
> This quite excellent newsletter is the work of
> Cornelius Moravius Laureatus Armoricus and Gaia Flavia
> Aureliana and all commendations must go to them.
>
> They are a credit to their provincia.
>
> Valete
>
> Decimus Iunius Silanus
> Propraetor Britanniae.

My congratulations to the citizens of Britannia for a job well done.
I hope that this newsletter is just the first of a long series, and
that it will serve to increase our presence in Britannia.

S.V.B.E.E.V.
CN.SALIX.T.F.A.NEP.OVF.ASTVR

In a message dated 1/31/04 10:09:40 AM Pacific Standard Time,
21aprile@... writes:

Salvete

> What I believe, is that Etius could not follow Attila because he had
> a weak army after the battle of Campi Catalaunici of 451 A.D.; you
> say that Etius could have attacked during the following year, but it
> would have been impossible, as Attila run in Italia just the
> following year (spring of 452), beginning the destruction of
> northern Italy, and there was not in Italia, at the moment, an army
> as strong as the Hunnic one, because Visigots and Burgunds did fly
> away, as I wrote, and Etius did not have an army, only the fleet of
> Marcianus, Emperor of Constantinople.

If you believe that Etius had gathered all his Limitani as well as his
Comitatenses to oppose Attila, he still had fell so short in troops that he had to
recruit Foederati. Even if he killed 10,000 Huns in the battle he was still
faced with large numbers. Unlike my old mentor who believed the bulk of the
Hunnish army was dismounted, I believe based on the evidence that most were still
mounted, through without enough remounts to practice steppe tactics. So
though his allies remained mostly foot, he still was mobile enough to avoid
contact if he wanted too.
Facing a large mobile army with inferior troops and dubious allies is not the
best tactical situation. Etius had done the best he could with the material
he had to work with.

The East was recovering from Attila's depravations from the year before, so
while the Eastern Comitatenses may still have been intact, it was in no
position to intervene.

The distruction of Northern Italy did not hasten the "Fall" it was just one
more block removed from the Empire's western foundation.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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Salvete.

I would like to invite any citizen that will come to the Spanish
Rally august´04 to stay before in the south of Spain for more or less
3 or 4 days.

In those days, we would visit some very interesting roman sites that
i know (for example http://www.dainst.org/index_607_en.html ) and
other places.

I would too look for everything (where to sleep, where to eat...) and
later we all we go to Segovia, with other citizen.

Please, sorry for my bad english and if you have any question just e-
mail me "maadsarus @ yahoo.es"


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Diana Octavia Aventina
<sacerdosveneris@y...> wrote:

> Salve Adrianus Sarus,
>
> <The citizen Adrianus Sarus, member of the rally committee, wants

to

> <announce that any citizen is invited to visiting his wonderful
> <Seville before or after the Rally.
>
> I'll do my best to get to the Rally and if so, I'll be sure to take

you up on your most generous

> offer!
>
> Vale,
> Diana Octavia

Salve Sare;
that sounds like an excellent idea, when I meet with the Hiberni I
will tell them of your plans, it would nice to get a group. Hibernia
is very close to Hispania.
tu escribes Engles muy bien; y espero hablar Espanol sin faltas
(defectos) muchas!
bene vale Fabia Vera


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "maadsarus" <maadsarus@y...> wrote:

> Salvete.
>
> I would like to invite any citizen that will come to the Spanish
> Rally august´04 to stay before in the south of Spain for more or

less

> 3 or 4 days.
>
> In those days, we would visit some very interesting roman sites

that

> i know (for example http://www.dainst.org/index_607_en.html ) and
> other places.
>
> I would too look for everything (where to sleep, where to eat...)

and

> later we all we go to Segovia, with other citizen.
>
> Please, sorry for my bad english and if you have any question just

e-

> mail me "maadsarus @ yahoo.es"
>
>
> ---

Salvete omnes,

Here is an interesting link:

http://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagina_prima

It is the Latin language version of the Wikipedia Project's free on-line
Encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/). The project currently has
versions of the Encyclopedia progressing in 67 different languages.

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus

G. Lanius Falco Omnibus SPD

Salvete, omnes

I wish to congratulate my cousin, Quintus Lanius Paulinus, on his recent
appointment as Legatus Canada Occidentalis. I know he will strive to perform to
the utmost of his abilities, which are substantial. Nova Roma will certainly
benefit from his appointment. Good luck, Quinte; you deserve it!

Valete,

G. Lanius Falco


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Salvete!

I'd be pleased to make rings for Nova Roma, but I
don't want to oversell myself just yet as I have yet
to even make a test ring or something that small.
Last summer I made a bronze medallion that was a
bubbly mess! I was working with subpar kiln equipment
(converted fish smoker fired by softwood slabs!).
Nevertheless my thumbprints were preserved in some of
the clean areas on it! But, by this time next year I
would expect that I would be able to make a ring with
lettering and a design on it (probably not too
intricate)...in any non-ferrous alloy... We shall
see! Exciting days are ahead! And as for being
cheaper, well..It'd be nice to make a profit, but I'm
not going to be greedy about it.

Valete!

=====
Decimus Antoninius Aquilius

______________________________________________________________________
Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

Salve from Marcus Cornelius Felix

I get a email from of all people The Isaac Bonewits ! saying in part
that " I think NovaRoma misses you... :)"
ok whats up?
Marcus Cornelius Felix

AVE DECIME IVNI SILANE

My congratulations to you and to your staff for such an excellent
job! I see this as an important step for a well organized Provincia!
Provincia Italia too is working on a similar project :-)

BENE VALE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Legatvs Italiae

---Salvete Omnes:


Congratulations Quintus Lanius!


Po

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Guiboche" <nate@m...> wrote:

> CANADA OCCIDENTALIS EDICTA NUMBER EIGHTEEN
>
>
>
>
> APPOINTMENT OF SENIOR LEGATUS FOR CANADA OCCIDENTALIS
>
>
>
> 31 Jan 2004
>
> Salve
>
> I, Quintus Sertorius, Propraetor Canada Occidentalis, issue the

following Edicta

> to announce the appointment of Quintus Lanius Paulinus as Senior

Legatus

> for Canada Occidentalis.
>
> Vale
>
> Quintus Sertorius
> Propraetor
> Canada Occidentalis
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

---Salvete Minucius et Omnes:

I am Canadian.

I use Shaw Cable, which as far as I know are competitors of Rogers. I
know of no Roger's connections in my immediate area, unless they are
used for Laps. We have only one LAN connection.

Just wanted to confirm that I read this note, and my system *seems* to
be ok, although these days one says that with baited breath.

thanks for the heads up.

Pompeia




In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@c...> wrote:

> Salvete, omnes -
>
> One of our Canadian cives - someone using rogers.com as an ISP and who
> presumably has my email address marked in their address book - is
> infected with W32.Novarg.A@mm. (If I could figure out who you are, I'd
> try to save you the bit of embarrassment by emailing you directly;
> however, I figure it's better to cure the problem quickly, especially
> since your system is going to be spamming the world with this crud while
> the minutes roll.) I also suggest that _anyone_ using Wind0ws (doubly so
> if you're on a fast connection) definitely look into updating their AV
> definitions; you too may well be a current infection vector without
> knowing it.
>
> Anyway - amice, please whap your machine with the ugly stick, I mean
> with an anti-virus program. :) All the major AV vendors I know of have
> already published an updated definition to catch this thing - which,
> incidentally, was responsible (via massive email traffic) for bringing
> down the local BellSouth SMTP servers yesterday.
>
> I'm including the headers - which basically say "routed from
> [someone]@*.rogers.com disguised as yahoogroups.com, with the sender
> name (faked) of novaroma-announce@yahoogroups.com to ben@callahans" -
> for reference.
>
>
> Valete,
> Caius Minucius Scaevola
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>
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Salve

This is a great site! I'm so glad that Wikipaedia did this.
I am also glad you let us know about it.

Gratias tibi ago.
Livia Cornelia Hibernia

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus
<c.minucius.hadrianus@n...> wrote:

> Salvete omnes,
>
> Here is an interesting link:
>
> http://la.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagina_prima
>
> It is the Latin language version of the Wikipedia Project's free on-

line

> Encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/). The project currently has
> versions of the Encyclopedia progressing in 67 different languages.
>
> Valete,
>
> C. Minucius Hadrianus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@c...>
wrote:

> and his actions were far more akin to, say, someone in America in
> 1775 or 1776 appealing to the British government for help, something
> that would be seen as treason.

Salve Caius Minucius Scaevola,

Treason is an ideological concept. In China the concepts of
democratic elections, freedom of speech, and freedom of religion are
considered treason and until little over a decade ago the same was
true in a huge swath of real estate then known as the Soviet Union and
the Warsaw Pact. In 1775 in the eyes of the British Crown a "Tory"
was a loyal citizen and the likes of Washington, Jefferson, Paine,
Adams, Franklin, Hancock were nothing more than rabble-rousing traitors.

Drusus' actions hardly rise to the level of treason. Perhaps to the
level of farting in an airlock or belching loudly in a 5 star
restaurant, but not treason.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

Salvete!

I read something about a scholarship fund being discussed on the
forum a long time ago. I was wondering what happened to the idea...
did it become a reality, and how does one go about applying for
the scholarship? I understand it was intended for students majoring
in the Classics?

Also just a quick update on the proposed establishment of a South
African Province... as yet I have had no response from other citizens
residing here, but I'm still hoping. Otherwise I might try to get some new
citizens into Nova Roma... I'm sure there are many people here who
would be interested and who have a lot to contribute.

Best wishes to all,

Lucius Cornelius Cicero


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