Avete Quirites;
my thoughts, anyone who tried to pass an ex-post facto law would
get shot down....so why worry about it. If it became an issue
plagueing NR then we could legislate.
valete Fabia Vera

>
> I'd appreciate comment from all interested citizens on this idea.
>
> Valete Quirites,
>
> -- Marinus

Ex Officio Censoris Iunioris Caesonis Fabii Quintiliani

Edictum Censoris CFQ II de Nominationibus in Cohorte Censoris CFQ
(The Second Censorial edict CFQ I on an appointment in the Cohors
Censoris CFQ)

I. Quintus Cassius Calvus, Civis, Nova Britannia Provincia, is hereby
appointed Scriba Censoris CFQ.

II. Quintus Cassius Calvus is hereby granted authorization to view
and edit any citizen information that is necessary in order to
perform the duties assigned to him by Censor CFQ.

III. This Edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given the 20th of February, in the year of the Consulship of Gnaeus
Salix Astur and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, 2757 AUC.

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Salve,

Maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't that depends on the magistrates
involved. If both Consuls agree on an ex post facto clause in a lex
then it would be up to the Tribunes to veto it. Since it's (ex post
facto) not expressly forbidden in the Constitution the Tribunes would
have their hands tied to make a case for intercesso based on it being
unconstitutional, though I can think of a convulated way based on Nova
Romans being still subject to macro-national law and such, but it
would be a "hard sell" because of the precedent it would set. That
would leave it up to the voters to strike it down. Hopefully the
voters would. I know I would be one of the most vocal opponent of any
ex post facto laws.

In reality who knows with there being so many axes to grind some might
hop on the chance to go backward in time and grind one up the side of
someone's skull. Not being alarmist, just a realist when it comes to
human nature not always being the most pretty sight to behold.

The "little lawyer" in me says, "always get it in writing" to save
disagreements later. An ounce of prevention is always worth a pound
of cure.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "P. Fabia Vera" <rory12001@y...> wrote:
> Avete Quirites;
> my thoughts, anyone who tried to pass an ex-post facto law would
> get shot down....so why worry about it. If it became an issue
> plagueing NR then we could legislate.
> valete Fabia Vera
>
> >
> > I'd appreciate comment from all interested citizens on this idea.
> >
> > Valete Quirites,
> >
> > -- Marinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
<christer.edling@t...> wrote:

> Ex Officio Censoris Iunioris Caesonis Fabii Quintiliani
>
> Edictum Censoris CFQ II de Nominationibus in Cohorte Censoris CFQ
> (The Second Censorial edict CFQ I on an appointment in the Cohors
> Censoris CFQ)
>
> I. Quintus Cassius Calvus, Civis, Nova Britannia Provincia, is hereby
> appointed Scriba Censoris CFQ.

Salve Caeso Fabius Quintilianus, Censor,

Thank you for placing your faith and trust in me and I hope that I
will prove adequate to the task.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem X Kalendae Martii; the day is comitialis and the
Feria Parentaliae.

Tomorrow is ante diem IX Kalendae Martii; the day is nefastus publicus
and the Feria Feraliae. The Feria Feraliae was an official state
holiday in which the religious authorities and citizens made
parentatio offerings, including the sacrifice of sheep. The feria was
also associated with Iuppiter Feretrius. Varro (de Ling. Lat, vi.34)
defines the term Feralia: "Feralia is from the deceased and bearing,
because they bear then food to the the tomb at which it is right there
to make offerings to the dead." Festus remarks: "Feralia, celebration
devoted to the Di Manes, thus called because of bearing food or to
slay sheep."

Ovid (Fasti 2.533-570) concentrates on the personal observances of the
holiday:
2.533 One honours also the tombs, by placating the hearts of the
ancestors,
and by depositing small offerings on their monuments. 2. 535 The
Manes require only few things: piety is more invaluable to them
that a rich person present: Styx in its depths does not shelter avid gods.
They are satisfied of a crowned tile of a votive garland, scattered
grains, of a simple pinch of salt, of bread soaked in wine and
scattered violets:
2. 530 A clay shard left in the median of the way can contain these
offerings.
I do not prohibit any richer, but those are enough to bend the shades:
draw up a hearth, and then pronounce the adequate prayers and formulas.
This habit, it is Aeneas' , model proven of piety, who introduced into
your country, equitable Latinus. 2.545 Each year, he brought
offerings to the Genius of his father; it is from him that the
populations learned these rituals. But one day , while our savage
armies carried out long wars, the days of deaths were forgotten. And
it was not with impunity. Following this disastrous negligence, 2.550
Rome saw itself in blazes, says one, its suburbs a funeral pyre.
Admittedly, I have the sorrow to believe it: our dead would have left
the tombs, filling up he silence of the night with their complaints;
and, through the streets of the City and in the campaigns, the vain
crowd of the soft hearts would have started to howl. 2.555 One then
returns to the tombs the honours, old times, the wonders, and funeral
do not leave a standard any more. Throughout these ceremonies, take
patience, young people widowed: the torch of bridal pine must wait
pure days; and you, that your avid mother judges ripe forthe marriage,
2.560 do not let the lance bend to cap your virginal hair. Hide your
torches, Hymenaee , keep them away of the funeral torches: for the
lugubrious tombs are appropriate for other torches. That one
dissimulates to the gods behind the closed doors of the temples, that
their furnace bridges are private incense, and their hearths of fire.
2.565 In these days, thin hearts and bodies of late wander close to
the tombs, it is the moment when the shade feasts on the food placed
in front of it. However, these ceremonies do not last beyond the
number of the remaining days month equal to the number of feet which
my words count. One called this Feralia day , because the necessary
offerings are brought: 2.570 it is the very last day when one can
placate the Manes.

The passage in Vergil to which Ovid alludes is Aeneid 5.77-81:

Hic duo rite mero libans carchesia Baccho
fundit humi, duo lacte novo, duo sanguine sacro,
purpureosque iacit flores, ac talia fatur:
"Salve, sancte parens: iterum salvete, recepti
nequiquam cineres, animaeque umbraeque paternae."

Here he properly pours in libation two beakers of good unmixed wine on
the earth, two of new milk, two of sacred blood, and scatters purple
flowers, and recites such words: "Greetings, holy parent: once more
greetings, ashes recovered in vain, and paternal spirits and shades."

This appears to provide a formula for both the Parentalia and the
Feralia, although the "nequiquam" is context specific to the Aeneid
and probably should not be used in a general formula.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex

G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Il tempio di Apollo Medico a Roma [The Temple of
Apollo Medicus in Rome]":

http://www.bta.it/txt/a0/03/bta00301.html

This site contains a report on the archaeology and architecture of one
of the principal centres associated with healing in Rome. The site is
in Italian; for non-Italophones I recommend the machine translation
software available at http://www.freetranslation.com/link.htm.

Valete

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salve that the one I want to have made

TGP

----- Original Message -----
From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 4:24 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fw: SPQR Memebership ring


Salve Tiberi,

Personally, I liked the first ring you showed with the large eagle
and SPQR though I know some people found it costly. I settle for
either system as long as we get them going. Most custom design
jewelry costs much more than the regular. For example I am
redesigning my celtic friendship-wedding band. To buy it off the
counter it costs 300.00; to have a similar designed for me is more
like 900.00.

I agree with you that it is time to make the decision - dictatorship
of the proletariat! I shudder how long it would take us to make a
temple or small village with all th humming and hawing that goes on.


Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:
> Salve Romans
>
> The time has come to make a decision about this ring. Do we want
them to make some at the below price or not?
>
> If you order a size 11 it costs $85.00 and will be in silver. If
you need a bigger size to 13 it will cost 100.00 or you can order a
size 11 and have your jeweler resize it for you.
>
> or we can have them design a completely new design.
>
> Regardless we need to make a decision.
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> "One ring to bind them"
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: MIKE CARROLL
> To: Stephen Gallagher
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 8:20 AM
> Subject: Re: SPQR Memebership ring
>
>
> Tim, size 11 in Sterling silver would cost $85 per
> piece. Any other sizes, up to a maximum of 13 would
> cost an additional $15 for a total of $100. The reason
> being, we will make the mold in a size 11 (a fairly
> standard men's size) and have to resize all other
> rings. Your members will always have the option of
> purchasing the ring for $85 and letting their
> individual jewelers do the resizing. I hope this
> helps.
>
> I'll be leaving today to attend a show in Kentucky and
> will be returning on Sunday. If you need to get hold
> of me, my cell # is 847-682-3041. Thanks.. Mike
>
>
> --- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> > Hi Mike
> >
> > Size 11 $85.00 and $85.00 for any other size or is
> > that $100.00 for other sizes.
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> > Tim G.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: MIKE CARROLL
> > To: Stephen Gallagher
> > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 5:04 AM
> > Subject: SPQR Memebership ring
> >
> >
> > Dear Tim,
> >
> > As mentioned, we can remake the Centurion ring to
> > include the letter SPQR in the bowtie section of
> > the
> > Centurion ring. To re-make the ring, hand-inscribe
> > it
> > to your specific typeface and create a mold, I
> > would
> > need a check in advance for $400 to cover the
> > work.
> >
> > When we last discussed the ring you caught me in
> > the
> > car I did not have access to my information. After
> > returning to the office, I further examined the
> > work
> > required and am forced to raise the price of
> > individual sterling silver rings, size 11 to $85
> > for
> > your members. Currently we are charging $159 for
> > that
> > same ring.
> >
> > Other sizing charges will be $15. I think you
> > will
> > agree that this is still a very good price for
> > such a
> > heavy customized ring.
> >
> > Further, 10 karat gold versions in size 11 would
> > cost
> > $409, 14 karat white or yellow gold - $575 and 18
> > karat white or yellow gold - $746. For additional
> > sizing in the gold versions, add an additional $20
> >
> > Im assuming you would want Times New Roman
> > typeface
> > but you will need to confirm and specify the exact
> > typeface.
> >
> > Please let me know if and when you would like me
> > to
> > start making the ring. I look forward to hear from
> > you.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > --- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> > > Hi Mike
> > >
> > > Yes we are and yes I will
> > >
> > >
> > > Tim
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: MIKE CARROLL
> > > To: Stephen Gallagher
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 9:58 AM
> > > Subject: Re: membership ring
> > >
> > >
> > > Tim, we are still working on re-working the
> > > Centurion
> > > ring and estimating casting costs etc. I
> > should
> > > have
> > > the pricing & discount information by early
> > next
> > > week.
> > > Are you still interested? At your convenience,
> > > please
> > > give me a call to discuss. I don't have your
> > phone
> > > number. Thanks... Sincerely. Mike
> > >
> > > --- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> > > > Hi Mike Yes and it is GREAT and thanks
> > > >
> > > > If we were to buy a number of rings at the
> > same
> > > time
> > > > would it be possible to have a discount for
> > > > quantity?
> > > >
> > > > If it is in what amounts and what level of
> > > discount.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Tim G
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: MIKE CARROLL
> > > > To: Stephen Gallagher
> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:26 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: membership ring
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tim did you receive the jpeg I sent? Mike
> > > > --- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@m...>
> > wrote:
> > > > > Hi Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the Information. Would you
> > be
> > > able
> > > > to do
> > > > > draft of what the Ring would look like
> > with
> > > the
> > > > SPQR
> > > > > added and the "Bowtie" removed?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your time
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim Gallagher
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: MIKE CARROLL
> > > > > To: Stephen Gallagher
> > > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 8:54 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: membership ring
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim, I am able to modify the Centurion
> > > ring by
> > > > > deleting the "bowtie' just below the
> > > eagle's
> > > > feet
> > > > > and
> > > > > inscribing the capital letters SPQR in
> > a,
> > > I'm
> > > > > guessing, times new roman typeface.
> > That
> > > would
> > > > be
> > > > > the
> > > > > least expensive route.
> > > > >
> > > > > In order to recreate the SPQR,
> > surrounded
> > > by
> > > > > wreath
> > > > > logo as seen on your website, we would
> > > need to
> > > > > carve
> > > > > an entirely new ring. A more costly
> > > direction.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regarding metals; I can only offer
> > casting
> > > in
> > > > > sterling
> > > > > silver, 10, 14 or 18 karat gold.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regarding sizing; we are also capable
> > of
> > > > making
> > > > > smaller versions of the ring.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you have any additional questions,
> > > don't
> > > > > hesitate
> > > > > to call or email. Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Stephen Gallagher
> > <spqr753@m...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > Dear Mr. Carroll
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please take a look at our web site
> > > > > > http://www.novaroma.org/main.html
> > you
> > > will
> > > > see
> > > > > our
> > > > > > flag with the SPQR in the middle of
> > the
> > > gold
> > > > > wreath.
> > > > > > we would like something like this
> > either
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
>
> =====
> Mike Carroll
> United States Eagle Rings
> http://www.eaglerings.com
> or - http://www.carrollcollection.com
> 16144 Port Clinton Rd.
> Prairie View, IL 60069
> 847-821-1333
> mike@e...
>
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same here...

MBA

Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
Salve that the one I want to have made

TGP

----- Original Message -----
From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 4:24 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fw: SPQR Memebership ring


Salve Tiberi,

Personally, I liked the first ring you showed with the large eagle
and SPQR though I know some people found it costly. I settle for
either system as long as we get them going. Most custom design
jewelry costs much more than the regular. For example I am
redesigning my celtic friendship-wedding band. To buy it off the
counter it costs 300.00; to have a similar designed for me is more
like 900.00.

I agree with you that it is time to make the decision - dictatorship
of the proletariat! I shudder how long it would take us to make a
temple or small village with all th humming and hawing that goes on.


Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:
> Salve Romans
>
> The time has come to make a decision about this ring. Do we want
them to make some at the below price or not?
>
> If you order a size 11 it costs $85.00 and will be in silver. If
you need a bigger size to 13 it will cost 100.00 or you can order a
size 11 and have your jeweler resize it for you.
>
> or we can have them design a completely new design.
>
> Regardless we need to make a decision.
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> "One ring to bind them"
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: MIKE CARROLL
> To: Stephen Gallagher
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 8:20 AM
> Subject: Re: SPQR Memebership ring
>
>
> Tim, size 11 in Sterling silver would cost $85 per
> piece. Any other sizes, up to a maximum of 13 would
> cost an additional $15 for a total of $100. The reason
> being, we will make the mold in a size 11 (a fairly
> standard men's size) and have to resize all other
> rings. Your members will always have the option of
> purchasing the ring for $85 and letting their
> individual jewelers do the resizing. I hope this
> helps.
>
> I'll be leaving today to attend a show in Kentucky and
> will be returning on Sunday. If you need to get hold
> of me, my cell # is 847-682-3041. Thanks.. Mike
>
>
> --- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> > Hi Mike
> >
> > Size 11 $85.00 and $85.00 for any other size or is
> > that $100.00 for other sizes.
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> > Tim G.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: MIKE CARROLL
> > To: Stephen Gallagher
> > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 5:04 AM
> > Subject: SPQR Memebership ring
> >
> >
> > Dear Tim,
> >
> > As mentioned, we can remake the Centurion ring to
> > include the letter SPQR in the bowtie section of
> > the
> > Centurion ring. To re-make the ring, hand-inscribe
> > it
> > to your specific typeface and create a mold, I
> > would
> > need a check in advance for $400 to cover the
> > work.
> >
> > When we last discussed the ring you caught me in
> > the
> > car I did not have access to my information. After
> > returning to the office, I further examined the
> > work
> > required and am forced to raise the price of
> > individual sterling silver rings, size 11 to $85
> > for
> > your members. Currently we are charging $159 for
> > that
> > same ring.
> >
> > Other sizing charges will be $15. I think you
> > will
> > agree that this is still a very good price for
> > such a
> > heavy customized ring.
> >
> > Further, 10 karat gold versions in size 11 would
> > cost
> > $409, 14 karat white or yellow gold - $575 and 18
> > karat white or yellow gold - $746. For additional
> > sizing in the gold versions, add an additional $20
> >
> > Im assuming you would want Times New Roman
> > typeface
> > but you will need to confirm and specify the exact
> > typeface.
> >
> > Please let me know if and when you would like me
> > to
> > start making the ring. I look forward to hear from
> > you.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > --- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> > > Hi Mike
> > >
> > > Yes we are and yes I will
> > >
> > >
> > > Tim
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: MIKE CARROLL
> > > To: Stephen Gallagher
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 9:58 AM
> > > Subject: Re: membership ring
> > >
> > >
> > > Tim, we are still working on re-working the
> > > Centurion
> > > ring and estimating casting costs etc. I
> > should
> > > have
> > > the pricing & discount information by early
> > next
> > > week.
> > > Are you still interested? At your convenience,
> > > please
> > > give me a call to discuss. I don't have your
> > phone
> > > number. Thanks... Sincerely. Mike
> > >
> > > --- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> > > > Hi Mike Yes and it is GREAT and thanks
> > > >
> > > > If we were to buy a number of rings at the
> > same
> > > time
> > > > would it be possible to have a discount for
> > > > quantity?
> > > >
> > > > If it is in what amounts and what level of
> > > discount.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Tim G
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: MIKE CARROLL
> > > > To: Stephen Gallagher
> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:26 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: membership ring
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tim did you receive the jpeg I sent? Mike
> > > > --- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@m...>
> > wrote:
> > > > > Hi Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the Information. Would you
> > be
> > > able
> > > > to do
> > > > > draft of what the Ring would look like
> > with
> > > the
> > > > SPQR
> > > > > added and the "Bowtie" removed?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your time
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim Gallagher
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: MIKE CARROLL
> > > > > To: Stephen Gallagher
> > > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 8:54 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: membership ring
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim, I am able to modify the Centurion
> > > ring by
> > > > > deleting the "bowtie' just below the
> > > eagle's
> > > > feet
> > > > > and
> > > > > inscribing the capital letters SPQR in
> > a,
> > > I'm
> > > > > guessing, times new roman typeface.
> > That
> > > would
> > > > be
> > > > > the
> > > > > least expensive route.
> > > > >
> > > > > In order to recreate the SPQR,
> > surrounded
> > > by
> > > > > wreath
> > > > > logo as seen on your website, we would
> > > need to
> > > > > carve
> > > > > an entirely new ring. A more costly
> > > direction.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regarding metals; I can only offer
> > casting
> > > in
> > > > > sterling
> > > > > silver, 10, 14 or 18 karat gold.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regarding sizing; we are also capable
> > of
> > > > making
> > > > > smaller versions of the ring.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you have any additional questions,
> > > don't
> > > > > hesitate
> > > > > to call or email. Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Stephen Gallagher
> > <spqr753@m...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > Dear Mr. Carroll
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please take a look at our web site
> > > > > > http://www.novaroma.org/main.html
> > you
> > > will
> > > > see
> > > > > our
> > > > > > flag with the SPQR in the middle of
> > the
> > > gold
> > > > > wreath.
> > > > > > we would like something like this
> > either
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
>
> =====
> Mike Carroll
> United States Eagle Rings
> http://www.eaglerings.com
> or - http://www.carrollcollection.com
> 16144 Port Clinton Rd.
> Prairie View, IL 60069
> 847-821-1333
> mike@e...
>
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Salvete: Yes, I am another one who prefers the ring with the eagle
surrounded by the ears of grain, and the letters SPQR. The letter
style, or font, on the example is just fine.
I would certainly buy one of those rings.

Valete et Pax Deorum, Appius Tullius Cato
Senator
Note: ( All previous posts deleted to make the message short and
save space and time.)

Salve Illustris Cn. Salix Galaicus!

Much to late I would like to thank You for a very good work and wish
You and your Provincia all the best!

>Cives!
>
> After almost one year in this post, I resign according to the rules

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Salvete,
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:58:57 -0000
From: "FAC" <sacro_barese_impero@...>
Subject: Re: Certaminia Equorum and the Factiones Circensis

Salve Aedile Scaurus,
thank you very much, your explanation is quite perfect and the game
seems exciting. The calculation of the results is quite similar to
Ludi Circenses within ranges of percentages.
However I'm interesting too about the description of the horses and
horsemen, more than how the game runs. IMHO this is the most
critical side of the game and we could need further information. I'm
not an expert of horse, I know something about as fan of the most
famous italian horses, but I can say I'm an expert. So, I would like
to receive examples of descriptions,

CINCINNATUS: As long as descriptions would be posted to everyone, otherwise
it wouldn't be fair. Would those who have already posted an application be
allowed to amend their description?

what are the most important
features and hictorically correct. Please, feel free to not answer
me if you think it could be a too strong help for the game. I'll
understand you. :-)
And feel free to answer me in private if you would like.

CINCINNATUS: This would certainly Not be fair.

Thank you again

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Rose <gfr@w...> wrote:
> G. Iulius Scaurus Fr. Apulo Caesari salutem dicit.
>
> Salve, Fr. Apule.
>
> His is a description of the mechanics of the Certamen, based on a
> simulation I ran.

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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:24:41 -0500
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
Subject: Re: Re: A General Legal question

Salvete Quirites,

Quintus Cassius Calvus writes:

> May I humbly suggest that it might be a good idea to amend the
> Constitution to specify that ex post facto laws are forbidden in Nova
> Roma.

You may, yes.

In fact, it's an extremely good idea, and one I entered in my own
personal list of Good Ideas earlier today...

I'd appreciate comment from all interested citizens on this idea.

CINCINNATUS: Since you asked, and I'm interested, I'm going to add my two
Sestertius here.
I would enthusiastically support a clearly defined Constitutional amendment
that forbids laws after the fact.
'emendatio ut vetat ex post facto leges'

Valete

--- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:

> Salve
>
> Yes
>
> Ex Post Factio laws enacted after the fact.
>
> Is it legal in Nova Roma to pass a law make
> something illegal after it has already been done.
>
> vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>

In examining the Constitution, I see nothing that
would prohibit such a law. But I would be hesitant if
it were a law that somehow restricted the rights
guaranteed to the citizens in the Constitution.

Lucius Quintius Constantius

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Salvete,

I´ll be absent up to 26th february due to the Carnival Holiday.
< Evoe Father Baccus! Evoe Venus! :) >

Vale bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus





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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!,

No me digas Armini! I'm jealous. Carnival for you and here I have
been since Christmas freezing my rear end off in the sub artic. To me
the only good Christmas tree is a palm tree. Oh well, please have a
few drinks and hug some senoritas for me. All the best!

Quintus Lanius Paulinus






-- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Lucius Arminius Faustus
<lafaustus@y...> wrote:

> Salvete,
>
> I´ll be absent up to 26th february due to the Carnival Holiday.
> < Evoe Father Baccus! Evoe Venus! :) >
>
> Vale bene in pacem deorum,
> L. Arminius Faustus
>
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! Mail - O melhor e-mail do Brasil. Abra sua conta agora!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

---


Oh Lanius:

Cry me a river....here 'violins please' :)

Listen fellow 'countryman' :) :)

I have endured approximately 10 inches of snow today....driving down
the street to the confectionary store was like driving a tank through
a sand dune, blind, only it was cold :((, AND, just like the Ginsu
ads, "But wait, there's MORE"......yes, 10 more sacred inches, no not
centameters, expected overnight.....Yeeasss!!! Goodie!!!

Prince Edward Island, apparently, could pass for a large tobagganing
hill for dare-devil missle dips in the Atlantic...uggh, and Nova
Scotia is not doing much better.

Moreover, I think you should issue an accensular edictum (there is no
such thing, but you can just 'invent' one, this is an emergency and
the consul is sleeping) to cancel Tribune Faustus' furlow, because the
Canadians are cold, buried, miserable (aye, us?) secluded with no
'life' and just plain 'pea green with envy' :)


Aint it great to be a northerner? :)

Po

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:

> Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!,
>
> No me digas Armini! I'm jealous. Carnival for you and here I have
> been since Christmas freezing my rear end off in the sub artic. To me
> the only good Christmas tree is a palm tree. Oh well, please have a
> few drinks and hug some senoritas for me. All the best!
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Lucius Arminius Faustus
> <lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> > Salvete,
> >
> > I´ll be absent up to 26th february due to the Carnival Holiday.
> > < Evoe Father Baccus! Evoe Venus! :) >
> >
> > Vale bene in pacem deorum,
> > L. Arminius Faustus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Yahoo! Mail - O melhor e-mail do Brasil. Abra sua conta agora!
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve Pompeia,

I have to tear jars like Nero in Quo Vadis; a shed one tear for you
in the right bottle and one tear in the left bottle for me.
It looks like the Gods must be punishing our eastern and western
provinces this year with all this cold and bad weather lately.
Hopefully we will have an early spring!

Perhaps we should appeal to the senate to cancel his vacation and
send him to Canada Occidentalis as a legate or future governor. Here
he may practice the vitrues of stoicism don't you think?

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_cornelia"
<scriba_forum@h...> wrote:

> ---
>
>
> Oh Lanius:
>
> Cry me a river....here 'violins please' :)
>
> Listen fellow 'countryman' :) :)
>
> I have endured approximately 10 inches of snow today....driving down
> the street to the confectionary store was like driving a tank

through

> a sand dune, blind, only it was cold :((, AND, just like the Ginsu
> ads, "But wait, there's MORE"......yes, 10 more sacred inches, no

not

> centameters, expected overnight.....Yeeasss!!! Goodie!!!
>
> Prince Edward Island, apparently, could pass for a large

tobagganing

> hill for dare-devil missle dips in the Atlantic...uggh, and Nova
> Scotia is not doing much better.
>
> Moreover, I think you should issue an accensular edictum (there is

no

> such thing, but you can just 'invent' one, this is an emergency and
> the consul is sleeping) to cancel Tribune Faustus' furlow, because

the

> Canadians are cold, buried, miserable (aye, us?) secluded with no
> 'life' and just plain 'pea green with envy' :)
>
>
> Aint it great to be a northerner? :)
>
> Po
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
> Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> > Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!,
> >
> > No me digas Armini! I'm jealous. Carnival for you and here I have
> > been since Christmas freezing my rear end off in the sub artic.

To me

> > the only good Christmas tree is a palm tree. Oh well, please have

a

> > few drinks and hug some senoritas for me. All the best!
> >
> > Quintus Lanius Paulinus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Lucius Arminius Faustus
> > <lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> > > Salvete,
> > >
> > > I´ll be absent up to 26th february due to the Carnival Holiday.
> > > < Evoe Father Baccus! Evoe Venus! :) >
> > >
> > > Vale bene in pacem deorum,
> > > L. Arminius Faustus
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Yahoo! Mail - O melhor e-mail do Brasil. Abra sua conta agora!
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem IX Kalendae Martii; the day is nefastus publicus
and the Feria Feraliae. The Feria Feraliae was an official state
holiday in which the religious authorities and citizens made
parentatio offerings, including the sacrifice of sheep. The feria was
also associated with Iuppiter Feretrius. Varro (de Ling. Lat, vi.34)
defines the term Feralia: "Feralia is from the deceased and bearing,
because they bear then food to the the tomb at which it is right there
to make offerings to the dead." Festus remarks: "Feralia, celebration
devoted to the Di Manes, thus called because of bearing food or to
slay sheep."

Ovid (Fasti 2.533-570) concentrates on the personal observances of the
holiday:
2.533 One honours also the tombs, by placating the hearts of the
ancestors,
and by depositing small offerings on their monuments. 2. 535 The
Manes require only few things: piety is more invaluable to them
that a rich person present: Styx in its depths does not shelter avid gods.
They are satisfied of a crowned tile of a votive garland, scattered
grains, of a simple pinch of salt, of bread soaked in wine and
scattered violets:
2. 530 A clay shard left in the median of the way can contain these
offerings.
I do not prohibit any richer, but those are enough to bend the shades:
draw up a hearth, and then pronounce the adequate prayers and formulas.
This habit, it is Aeneas' , model proven of piety, who introduced into
your country, equitable Latinus. 2.545 Each year, he brought
offerings to the Genius of his father; it is from him that the
populations learned these rituals. But one day , while our savage
armies carried out long wars, the days of deaths were forgotten. And
it was not with impunity. Following this disastrous negligence, 2.550
Rome saw itself in blazes, says one, its suburbs a funeral pyre.
Admittedly, I have the sorrow to believe it: our dead would have left
the tombs, filling up he silence of the night with their complaints;
and, through the streets of the City and in the campaigns, the vain
crowd of the soft hearts would have started to howl. 2.555 One then
returns to the tombs the honours, old times, the wonders, and funeral
do not leave a standard any more. Throughout these ceremonies, take
patience, young people widowed: the torch of bridal pine must wait
pure days; and you, that your avid mother judges ripe forthe marriage,
2.560 do not let the lance bend to cap your virginal hair. Hide your
torches, Hymenaee , keep them away of the funeral torches: for the
lugubrious tombs are appropriate for other torches. That one
dissimulates to the gods behind the closed doors of the temples, that
their furnace bridges are private incense, and their hearths of fire.
2.565 In these days, thin hearts and bodies of late wander close to
the tombs, it is the moment when the shade feasts on the food placed
in front of it. However, these ceremonies do not last beyond the
number of the remaining days month equal to the number of feet which
my words count. One called this Feralia day , because the necessary
offerings are brought: 2.570 it is the very last day when one can
placate the Manes.

The passage in Vergil to which Ovid alludes is Aeneid 5.77-81:

Hic duo rite mero libans carchesia Baccho
fundit humi, duo lacte novo, duo sanguine sacro,
purpureosque iacit flores, ac talia fatur:
"Salve, sancte parens: iterum salvete, recepti
nequiquam cineres, animaeque umbraeque paternae."
[Here he properly pours in libation two beakers of good unmixed wine
on the earth, two of new milk, two of sacred blood [from a sacrificed
victim], and scatters purple flowers, and recites such words:
"Greetings, holy parent: once more greetings, ashes recovered in vain,
and paternal spirits and shades."]

This appears to provide a formula for both the Parentalia and the
Feralia, although the "nequiquam" is context specific to the Aeneid
and probably should not be used in a general formula.

Tomorrow is ante diem VIII Kalendae Martii; the day is comitialis and
the Feria Caristiae. The Caristia was an occasion for entire
families, including adfines, to join in a communal clebration and
feast. All bad feelings and past slights were to be put aside as
gifts were exchanged and the Lar of the family honoured.

No one who could not put aside animosities was permitted to attend, as
Ovid points out (Fasti 2.627-638), albeit with an Augustan panegyric
at the end:
2.617 The following day brings the party of the Caristia, that has
its name for our domestic affections: this is the day where all the
members of the same family come to take part in a same festivity.
After honoring the family tomb, after have given memory to those that
we lost,
2.620 it is comforting to compare immediately to those that we
possess; after having cried for those who are not anymore, our eyes
like to rest on those who survive, and to count how much our parents
still remain with us. Come, you all that are without reproaches; but
let the impious brother be far away and the mother cruel mother
towards the fruit of her womb,
2.625 and the son that counts the years of his mother, and finds that
his father delays to long to die, and the unfair mother-in-law who
feels the weight of his hate toward the girl of her son; may the
brothers of Tantalida be absent and the wife of Jason, and who gives
burnt seed to the rural dweller, far away both the sister and Procnus
and Tereus who fit the misfortune of the one and the other,
2.630 and all those for whom that now is the price of crime. Burn
the incense before the good tutelary genii of the family. It is said
that this is the day when Concordia like to respnd to our prayers.
And offer libations and sacrificial food, so that, the pledge of
pleasing honour, may nourish the binding Lares with the given patella.
And now where moist night will urge gentle sleep, take up plentiful
wine in hand to beseech, and say "You are well, you are well, father
of the country, best Caesar;" let good words be suffused with unmixed
wine.

Offerings of wine, grain, and incense were made to the Lar Familiaris.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex

G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Terme di Traiano: Scoperto un grande mosaico con
Cupido e due leoni [Baths of Trajan: Discovery of a Large Mosaic with
Cupid and Two Lions]":

http://www.comune.roma.it/cultura/italiano/monumenti/scavi_scoperte/terme_traiano/index.htm

This site, maintained by the city of Rome, provides excellent
photographs of these impressive mosaics. The site is in Italian. For
non-Italophones I recommend the machine translation software available
at http://www.freetranslation.com/link.htm.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus

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organisations in the Central Arkansas U.S.A. area. If so what would be the
best Gen to belong to.

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Salve!

Please go to http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/provincia?provid=A-AE
where You will find America Austrorientalis Provincia. Arkansas is a
part of that Provincia and You will find a list of cives, and socci
there.

If You click at the name of each citizen You will be taken to that
citizen's page and from there You can go to the Gens of that citizen.
Please choose a Gens that You like and/or has many memebers in your
Provincia. Also please observe that the Pater familias of your
prefered Gens may live in quite a different Provincia. Don't ask for
membership in a Gens which is closed, because that Pater familias has
been inactive so long that his Gens has been closed down.

You could also go directly to the Gens list at
http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/gentes and try to sort out if You
can find an interesting Gens in America Austrorientalis Provincia.

If You need more assistance please contact me privately on the address above.

>I have not yet become a member but I was wondering if their are any local
>organisations in the Central Arkansas U.S.A. area. If so what would be the
>best Gen to belong to.
>
>Thanks.

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

ROMANS! ROMANS! SHOW THE EQUESTRIAN SKILL WHICH GAVE YOUR FOREFATHERS VICTORY!

I'm still accepting entries for the FIRST HORSE RACE OF THE EQUIRRIA until 21:01 Roman time on
Sunday Feb 22. That is 3 PM on the East coast of the US and 12 noon on the West coast.

So hurry up and send your entry to me at sacerdosveneris@... !

Valete,
Diana Octavia
Scriba to Curule Aedile G Iulius Scaurus

--- My you Canadians are cruel; take a tip, arrange your American
Rally in Provincia Brasilia next year;)
bene valete Fabia Vera




In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:

> Salve Pompeia,
>
> I have to tear jars like Nero in Quo Vadis; a shed one tear for you
> in the right bottle and one tear in the left bottle for me.
> It looks like the Gods must be punishing our eastern and western
> provinces this year with all this cold and bad weather lately.
> Hopefully we will have an early spring!
>
> Perhaps we should appeal to the senate to cancel his vacation and
> send him to Canada Occidentalis as a legate or future governor.

Here

> he may practice the vitrues of stoicism don't you think?
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_cornelia"
> <scriba_forum@h...> wrote:
> > ---
> >
> >
> > Oh Lanius:
> >
> > Cry me a river....here 'violins please' :)
> >
> > Listen fellow 'countryman' :) :)
> >
> > I have endured approximately 10 inches of snow today....driving

down

> > the street to the confectionary store was like driving a tank
> through
> > a sand dune, blind, only it was cold :((, AND, just like the Ginsu
> > ads, "But wait, there's MORE"......yes, 10 more sacred inches, no
> not
> > centameters, expected overnight.....Yeeasss!!! Goodie!!!
> >
> > Prince Edward Island, apparently, could pass for a large
> tobagganing
> > hill for dare-devil missle dips in the Atlantic...uggh, and Nova
> > Scotia is not doing much better.
> >
> > Moreover, I think you should issue an accensular edictum (there

is

> no
> > such thing, but you can just 'invent' one, this is an emergency

and

> > the consul is sleeping) to cancel Tribune Faustus' furlow,

because

> the
> > Canadians are cold, buried, miserable (aye, us?) secluded with no
> > 'life' and just plain 'pea green with envy' :)
> >
> >
> > Aint it great to be a northerner? :)
> >
> > Po
> >
> > In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
> > Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> > > Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!,
> > >
> > > No me digas Armini! I'm jealous. Carnival for you and here I

have

> > > been since Christmas freezing my rear end off in the sub artic.
> To me
> > > the only good Christmas tree is a palm tree. Oh well, please

have

> a
> > > few drinks and hug some senoritas for me. All the best!
> > >
> > > Quintus Lanius Paulinus
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Lucius Arminius Faustus
> > > <lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> > > > Salvete,
> > > >
> > > > I´ll be absent up to 26th february due to the Carnival

Holiday.

> > > > < Evoe Father Baccus! Evoe Venus! :) >
> > > >
> > > > Vale bene in pacem deorum,
> > > > L. Arminius Faustus
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > Yahoo! Mail - O melhor e-mail do Brasil. Abra sua conta agora!
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

---


Salve Fabia Vera:

Hmm, arrange an American Rally in Brazil for next year, ehh? We could
do that, couldn't we Quinte (hey Quinte are you frozen or something?)
we 'could'.....BUT...

Can the Canadians go too? (grin) OK, 'only' if the Canadians can go
too.......

Pompeia :)

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "P. Fabia Vera" <rory12001@y...> wrote:

> --- My you Canadians are cruel; take a tip, arrange your American
> Rally in Provincia Brasilia next year;)
> bene valete Fabia Vera
>
>
>
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
> Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> > Salve Pompeia,
> >
> > I have to tear jars like Nero in Quo Vadis; a shed one tear for you
> > in the right bottle and one tear in the left bottle for me.
> > It looks like the Gods must be punishing our eastern and western
> > provinces this year with all this cold and bad weather lately.
> > Hopefully we will have an early spring!
> >
> > Perhaps we should appeal to the senate to cancel his vacation and
> > send him to Canada Occidentalis as a legate or future governor.
> Here
> > he may practice the vitrues of stoicism don't you think?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Quintus Lanius Paulinus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_cornelia"
> > <scriba_forum@h...> wrote:
> > > ---
> > >
> > >
> > > Oh Lanius:
> > >
> > > Cry me a river....here 'violins please' :)
> > >
> > > Listen fellow 'countryman' :) :)
> > >
> > > I have endured approximately 10 inches of snow today....driving
> down
> > > the street to the confectionary store was like driving a tank
> > through
> > > a sand dune, blind, only it was cold :((, AND, just like the Ginsu
> > > ads, "But wait, there's MORE"......yes, 10 more sacred inches, no
> > not
> > > centameters, expected overnight.....Yeeasss!!! Goodie!!!
> > >
> > > Prince Edward Island, apparently, could pass for a large
> > tobagganing
> > > hill for dare-devil missle dips in the Atlantic...uggh, and Nova
> > > Scotia is not doing much better.
> > >
> > > Moreover, I think you should issue an accensular edictum (there
> is
> > no
> > > such thing, but you can just 'invent' one, this is an emergency
> and
> > > the consul is sleeping) to cancel Tribune Faustus' furlow,
> because
> > the
> > > Canadians are cold, buried, miserable (aye, us?) secluded with no
> > > 'life' and just plain 'pea green with envy' :)
> > >
> > >
> > > Aint it great to be a northerner? :)
> > >
> > > Po
> > >
> > > In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
> > > Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> > > > Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!,
> > > >
> > > > No me digas Armini! I'm jealous. Carnival for you and here I
> have
> > > > been since Christmas freezing my rear end off in the sub artic.
> > To me
> > > > the only good Christmas tree is a palm tree. Oh well, please
> have
> > a
> > > > few drinks and hug some senoritas for me. All the best!
> > > >
> > > > Quintus Lanius Paulinus
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Lucius Arminius Faustus
> > > > <lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Salvete,
> > > > >
> > > > > I´ll be absent up to 26th february due to the Carnival
> Holiday.
> > > > > < Evoe Father Baccus! Evoe Venus! :) >
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale bene in pacem deorum,
> > > > > L. Arminius Faustus
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > > Yahoo! Mail - O melhor e-mail do Brasil. Abra sua conta agora!
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

I would buy either, but not both.

I also would buy 3 or 4 for my children.

Equitius Paternus

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 05:07:56 -0800 (PST) Marcus Bianchius Antonius
<imperialreign@...> writes:

>same here...
>
>MBA
>
>Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
>Salve that the one I want to have made
>
>TGP
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 4:24 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fw: SPQR Memebership ring
>
>
> Salve Tiberi,
>
> Personally, I liked the first ring you showed with the large eagle
> and SPQR though I know some people found it costly. I settle for
> either system as long as we get them going. Most custom design
> jewelry costs much more than the regular. For example I am
> redesigning my celtic friendship-wedding band. To buy it off the
> counter it costs 300.00; to have a similar designed for me is more
> like 900.00.
>
> I agree with you that it is time to make the decision - dictatorship
>
> of the proletariat! I shudder how long it would take us to make a
> temple or small village with all th humming and hawing that goes on.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
>
> wrote:
> > Salve Romans
> >
> > The time has come to make a decision about this ring. Do we want
> them to make some at the below price or not?
> >
> > If you order a size 11 it costs $85.00 and will be in silver. If
>
> you need a bigger size to 13 it will cost 100.00 or you can order a
> size 11 and have your jeweler resize it for you.
> >
> > or we can have them design a completely new design.
> >
> > Regardless we need to make a decision.
> >
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> > "One ring to bind them"
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: MIKE CARROLL
> > To: Stephen Gallagher
> > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 8:20 AM
> > Subject: Re: SPQR Memebership ring
> >
> >
> > Tim, size 11 in Sterling silver would cost $85 per
> > piece. Any other sizes, up to a maximum of 13 would
> > cost an additional $15 for a total of $100. The reason
> > being, we will make the mold in a size 11 (a fairly
> > standard men's size) and have to resize all other
> > rings. Your members will always have the option of
> > purchasing the ring for $85 and letting their
> > individual jewelers do the resizing. I hope this
> > helps.
> >
> > I'll be leaving today to attend a show in Kentucky and
> > will be returning on Sunday. If you need to get hold
> > of me, my cell # is 847-682-3041. Thanks.. Mike
> >
> >
> > --- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> > > Hi Mike
> > >
> > > Size 11 $85.00 and $85.00 for any other size or is
> > > that $100.00 for other sizes.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Tim G.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: MIKE CARROLL
> > > To: Stephen Gallagher
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 5:04 AM
> > > Subject: SPQR Memebership ring
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Tim,
> > >
> > > As mentioned, we can remake the Centurion ring to
> > > include the letter SPQR in the bowtie section of
> > > the
> > > Centurion ring. To re-make the ring, hand-inscribe
> > > it
> > > to your specific typeface and create a mold, I
> > > would
> > > need a check in advance for $400 to cover the
> > > work.
> > >
> > > When we last discussed the ring you caught me in
> > > the
> > > car I did not have access to my information. After
> > > returning to the office, I further examined the
> > > work
> > > required and am forced to raise the price of
> > > individual sterling silver rings, size 11 to $85
> > > for
> > > your members. Currently we are charging $159 for
> > > that
> > > same ring.
> > >
> > > Other sizing charges will be $15. I think you
> > > will
> > > agree that this is still a very good price for
> > > such a
> > > heavy customized ring.
> > >
> > > Further, 10 karat gold versions in size 11 would
> > > cost
> > > $409, 14 karat white or yellow gold - $575 and 18
> > > karat white or yellow gold - $746. For additional
> > > sizing in the gold versions, add an additional $20
> > >
> > > Im assuming you would want Times New Roman
> > > typeface
> > > but you will need to confirm and specify the exact
> > > typeface.
> > >
> > > Please let me know if and when you would like me
> > > to
> > > start making the ring. I look forward to hear from
> > > you.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > --- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> > > > Hi Mike
> > > >
> > > > Yes we are and yes I will
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tim
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: MIKE CARROLL
> > > > To: Stephen Gallagher
> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 9:58 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: membership ring
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tim, we are still working on re-working the
> > > > Centurion
> > > > ring and estimating casting costs etc. I
> > > should
> > > > have
> > > > the pricing & discount information by early
> > > next
> > > > week.
> > > > Are you still interested? At your convenience,
> > > > please
> > > > give me a call to discuss. I don't have your
> > > phone
> > > > number. Thanks... Sincerely. Mike
> > > >
> > > > --- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> > > > > Hi Mike Yes and it is GREAT and thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > If we were to buy a number of rings at the
> > > same
> > > > time
> > > > > would it be possible to have a discount for
> > > > > quantity?
> > > > >
> > > > > If it is in what amounts and what level of
> > > > discount.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim G
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: MIKE CARROLL
> > > > > To: Stephen Gallagher
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:26 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: membership ring
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim did you receive the jpeg I sent? Mike
> > > > > --- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@m...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for the Information. Would you
> > > be
> > > > able
> > > > > to do
> > > > > > draft of what the Ring would look like
> > > with
> > > > the
> > > > > SPQR
> > > > > > added and the "Bowtie" removed?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for your time
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tim Gallagher
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: MIKE CARROLL
> > > > > > To: Stephen Gallagher
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 8:54 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: membership ring
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tim, I am able to modify the Centurion
> > > > ring by
> > > > > > deleting the "bowtie' just below the
> > > > eagle's
> > > > > feet
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > inscribing the capital letters SPQR in
> > > a,
> > > > I'm
> > > > > > guessing, times new roman typeface.
> > > That
> > > > would
> > > > > be
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > least expensive route.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In order to recreate the SPQR,
> > > surrounded
> > > > by
> > > > > > wreath
> > > > > > logo as seen on your website, we would
> > > > need to
> > > > > > carve
> > > > > > an entirely new ring. A more costly
> > > > direction.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regarding metals; I can only offer
> > > casting
> > > > in
> > > > > > sterling
> > > > > > silver, 10, 14 or 18 karat gold.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regarding sizing; we are also capable
> > > of
> > > > > making
> > > > > > smaller versions of the ring.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you have any additional questions,
> > > > don't
> > > > > > hesitate
> > > > > > to call or email. Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Stephen Gallagher
> > > <spqr753@m...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Dear Mr. Carroll
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please take a look at our web site
> > > > > > > http://www.novaroma.org/main.html
> > > you
> > > > will
> > > > > see
> > > > > > our
> > > > > > > flag with the SPQR in the middle of
> > > the
> > > > gold
> > > > > > wreath.
> > > > > > > we would like something like this
> > > either
> > >
> > === message truncated ===
> >
> >
> > =====
> > Mike Carroll
> > United States Eagle Rings
> > http://www.eaglerings.com
> > or - http://www.carrollcollection.com
> > 16144 Port Clinton Rd.
> > Prairie View, IL 60069
> > 847-821-1333
> > mike@e...
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Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem VIII Kalendae Martii; the day is comitialis and the
Feria Caristiae. The Caristia was an occasion for entire families,
including adfines, to join in a communcal clebration and feast. All
bad feelings and past slights were to be put aside as gifts were
exchanged and the Lar sof the family honoured.

No one who could not put aside animosities was permitted to attend, as
Ovid points out (Fasti 2.627-638), albeit with an Augustan panegyric
at the end:
2.617 The following day brings the feria of the Caristia, that has
its name for our domestic affections: this is the day where all the
members of the same family come to take part in a same festivity.
After honoring the family tomb, after have given memory to those that
we lost,
2.620 it is comforting to compare them immediately to those that we
possess; after having cried for those who are not anymore, our eyes
like to rest on those who survive, and to count how much our parents
still remain with us. Come, you all that are without reproaches; but
let the impious brother be far away and the mother cruel mother
towards the fruit of her womb,
2.625 and the son that counts the years of his mother, and finds that
his father delays too long to die, and the unfair mother-in-law who
feels the weight of her hate toward the girl of her son; may the
brothers of Tantalida be absent and the wife of Jason, and who gives
burnt seed to the rural dweller, far away both the sister and Procnus
and Tereus who fit the misfortune of the one and the other,
2.630 and all those for whom that now is the price of crime. Burn
the incense before the good tutelary genii of the family. It is said
that this is the day when Concordia like to respnd to our prayers.
And offer libations and sacrificial food, so that, the pledge of
pleasing honour, may nourish the binding Lares with the given patella.
And now where moist night will urge gentle sleep, take up plentiful
wine in hand to beseech, and say "You are well, you are well, father
of the country, best Caesar;" let good words be suffused with unmixed
wine.

Offerings of wine, grain, and incense were made the Lar Familiaris.

Tomorrow is ante diem VII Kalendae Martii; the day is nefastus
publicus and the Feria Terminaliae. The Feria Terminaliae was sacred
to Terminus, the God of land boundaries. Ward Fowler provides a
touching description of the caerimonia of the Terminalia:

"The ritual of the Terminalia in the country districts is described by
Ovid [Fasti ii.643ff]. The two landowners garlanded each his side of
the boundary-stone, and all offerings were double. An altar is made;
and fire is carried from the hearth by the farmer's wife, while the
old man cuts up sticks and builds them in a framework of stout stakes.
Then with dry bark the fire is kindled; from a basket, held ready by
a boy, the little daughter of the family thrice shakes the fruits of
the earth into the fire, and offers cakes of honey. Others stand by
with wine; and the neighbours (or dependants) look on in silence and
clothed in white. A lamb is slain, and a suckling-pig, and the
boundary-stone sprinkled with their blood; and the ceremony ends with
a feast and songs in praise of holy Terminus" [The Roman Festivals, 325].

Terminus was also closely associated with Iuppiter Optimus Maximus and
the virtue of keeping one's word with one's neighbours so intimately
at the base of a system of land boundaries in an agricultural society.

Ovid also reports that a public sacrifice was made at the sixth
milestone of the Via Laurentina [Fasti ii.679ff].

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex

G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Il Carcer-Tullianum e la chiesa di S. Pietro in
Carcere: nuovi scavi [The Carcer-Tullianum and the Church of St. Peter
in Prison: New Excavations]":

http://www.archeorm.arti.beniculturali.it/sar2000/nuovi_scavi/default.asp

This site has a detailed discussion of new findings on the archaeology
architecture of the Cercer and Tullianum beneath la chiesa di S.
Pietro in Carcere. The site is in Italian. For non-Italophones I
recommend the machine translation software available at
http://www.freetranslation.com/link.htm.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salvete

I have finished updating the website for Senior Curule Aedile Gaius Iulius Scaurus.


http://cohorsaedilis.canadaoccidentalis.org/

Any feedback would be appreciated.

Quaestor Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa



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Salve Gai,

That looks good and unerstandable to me. Is there any way you can get
a photo for Curule Aedile Scaurus to color up the site?

Regards,

Quintus Lanius
Paulinus





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Clint Johnson
<canadaoccidentalis@y...> wrote:

> Salvete
>
> I have finished updating the website for Senior Curule Aedile Gaius

Iulius Scaurus.

>
>
> http://cohorsaedilis.canadaoccidentalis.org/
>
> Any feedback would be appreciated.
>
> Quaestor Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

G. Iulius Scaurus Q. Lanio Paulino salutem dicit.

Salve, Q. Lani.

>That looks good and unerstandable to me. Is there any way you can get
>a photo for Curule Aedile Scaurus to color up the site?
>

Just how badly do you want to your monitor screen to crack? Do you
collect pictures of fat, bearded men in togas? More seriously, I am
myself an absolute disaster with a camera of any sort, but one of these
days I'll put on my toga praetexta and have someone competent take a
photo; then I'll scan it and send it to G. Vipsanius for posting to the
website, just to prove that I can be a sadistic SOB. But I draw the
line before being photographed in laena and apex: I doubt I'll ever be
in the mood for buffalo vs. unicorn jokes :-).

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus

>
>

Salve G. Iuli Scaure,

Not to worry! Whenever you have a chance or feel like doing a photo.
Actually I am your age and have had to shed some kilos over the last
few months on that Atkins program. I'm starting to get back to my old
human form again. I like to put a face to the people I communicate
with. I'll try and send in a photo to the albums in Roman garb when I
get it. All the best!

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Rose <gfr@w...> wrote:
> G. Iulius Scaurus Q. Lanio Paulino salutem dicit.
>
> Salve, Q. Lani.
>
> >That looks good and unerstandable to me. Is there any way you can
get
> >a photo for Curule Aedile Scaurus to color up the site?
> >
>
> Just how badly do you want to your monitor screen to crack? Do you
> collect pictures of fat, bearded men in togas? More seriously, I
am
> myself an absolute disaster with a camera of any sort, but one of
these
> days I'll put on my toga praetexta and have someone competent take
a
> photo; then I'll scan it and send it to G. Vipsanius for posting to
the
> website, just to prove that I can be a sadistic SOB. But I draw
the
> line before being photographed in laena and apex: I doubt I'll ever
be
> in the mood for buffalo vs. unicorn jokes :-).
>
> Vale.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus
>
> >
> >

Salve

The one we are going to have made is the one with the Eagle and SPQR on it as shown in the picture uploaded at the NR yahoo site. wee need orders for 100 to get this off the ground.

I need to know if you want a size 11 for $ 85.00 or another size for $100.00

The size 11 is a standard men's size and you can have you own jeweler resize it or you can get a 12 or 13 for $100.00 and no resizing.



Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: Donald L Meaker
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 1:18 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fw: SPQR Memebership ring


I would buy either, but not both.

I also would buy 3 or 4 for my children.

Equitius Paternus

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 05:07:56 -0800 (PST) Marcus Bianchius Antonius
<imperialreign@...> writes:
>same here...
>
>MBA
>
>Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
>Salve that the one I want to have made
>
>TGP
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 4:24 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fw: SPQR Memebership ring
>
>
> Salve Tiberi,
>
> Personally, I liked the first ring you showed with the large eagle
> and SPQR though I know some people found it costly. I settle for
> either system as long as we get them going. Most custom design
> jewelry costs much more than the regular. For example I am
> redesigning my celtic friendship-wedding band. To buy it off the
> counter it costs 300.00; to have a similar designed for me is more
> like 900.00.
>
> I agree with you that it is time to make the decision - dictatorship
>
> of the proletariat! I shudder how long it would take us to make a
> temple or small village with all th humming and hawing that goes on.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
>
> wrote:
> > Salve Romans
> >
> > The time has come to make a decision about this ring. Do we want
> them to make some at the below price or not?
> >
> > If you order a size 11 it costs $85.00 and will be in silver. If
>
> you need a bigger size to 13 it will cost 100.00 or you can order a
> size 11 and have your jeweler resize it for you.
> >
> > or we can have them design a completely new design.
> >
> > Regardless we need to make a decision.
> >
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> > "One ring to bind them"
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: MIKE CARROLL
> > To: Stephen Gallagher
> > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 8:20 AM
> > Subject: Re: SPQR Memebership ring
> >
> >
> > Tim, size 11 in Sterling silver would cost $85 per
> > piece. Any other sizes, up to a maximum of 13 would
> > cost an additional $15 for a total of $100. The reason
> > being, we will make the mold in a size 11 (a fairly
> > standard men's size) and have to resize all other
> > rings. Your members will always have the option of
> > purchasing the ring for $85 and letting their
> > individual jewelers do the resizing. I hope this
> > helps.
> >
> > I'll be leaving today to attend a show in Kentucky and
> > will be returning on Sunday. If you need to get hold
> > of me, my cell # is 847-682-3041. Thanks.. Mike
> >
> >
> > --- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> > > Hi Mike
> > >
> > > Size 11 $85.00 and $85.00 for any other size or is
> > > that $100.00 for other sizes.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Tim G.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: MIKE CARROLL
> > > To: Stephen Gallagher
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 5:04 AM
> > > Subject: SPQR Memebership ring
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Tim,
> > >
> > > As mentioned, we can remake the Centurion ring to
> > > include the letter SPQR in the bowtie section of
> > > the
> > > Centurion ring. To re-make the ring, hand-inscribe
> > > it
> > > to your specific typeface and create a mold, I
> > > would
> > > need a check in advance for $400 to cover the
> > > work.
> > >
> > > When we last discussed the ring you caught me in
> > > the
> > > car I did not have access to my information. After
> > > returning to the office, I further examined the
> > > work
> > > required and am forced to raise the price of
> > > individual sterling silver rings, size 11 to $85
> > > for
> > > your members. Currently we are charging $159 for
> > > that
> > > same ring.
> > >
> > > Other sizing charges will be $15. I think you
> > > will
> > > agree that this is still a very good price for
> > > such a
> > > heavy customized ring.
> > >
> > > Further, 10 karat gold versions in size 11 would
> > > cost
> > > $409, 14 karat white or yellow gold - $575 and 18
> > > karat white or yellow gold - $746. For additional
> > > sizing in the gold versions, add an additional $20
> > >
> > > Im assuming you would want Times New Roman
> > > typeface
> > > but you will need to confirm and specify the exact
> > > typeface.
> > >
> > > Please let me know if and when you would like me
> > > to
> > > start making the ring. I look forward to hear from
> > > you.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > --- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> > > > Hi Mike
> > > >
> > > > Yes we are and yes I will
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tim
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: MIKE CARROLL
> > > > To: Stephen Gallagher
> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 9:58 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: membership ring
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Tim, we are still working on re-working the
> > > > Centurion
> > > > ring and estimating casting costs etc. I
> > > should
> > > > have
> > > > the pricing & discount information by early
> > > next
> > > > week.
> > > > Are you still interested? At your convenience,
> > > > please
> > > > give me a call to discuss. I don't have your
> > > phone
> > > > number. Thanks... Sincerely. Mike
> > > >
> > > > --- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> > > > > Hi Mike Yes and it is GREAT and thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > If we were to buy a number of rings at the
> > > same
> > > > time
> > > > > would it be possible to have a discount for
> > > > > quantity?
> > > > >
> > > > > If it is in what amounts and what level of
> > > > discount.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim G
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: MIKE CARROLL
> > > > > To: Stephen Gallagher
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:26 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: membership ring
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim did you receive the jpeg I sent? Mike
> > > > > --- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@m...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for the Information. Would you
> > > be
> > > > able
> > > > > to do
> > > > > > draft of what the Ring would look like
> > > with
> > > > the
> > > > > SPQR
> > > > > > added and the "Bowtie" removed?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for your time
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tim Gallagher
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: MIKE CARROLL
> > > > > > To: Stephen Gallagher
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 8:54 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: membership ring
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tim, I am able to modify the Centurion
> > > > ring by
> > > > > > deleting the "bowtie' just below the
> > > > eagle's
> > > > > feet
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > inscribing the capital letters SPQR in
> > > a,
> > > > I'm
> > > > > > guessing, times new roman typeface.
> > > That
> > > > would
> > > > > be
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > least expensive route.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In order to recreate the SPQR,
> > > surrounded
> > > > by
> > > > > > wreath
> > > > > > logo as seen on your website, we would
> > > > need to
> > > > > > carve
> > > > > > an entirely new ring. A more costly
> > > > direction.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regarding metals; I can only offer
> > > casting
> > > > in
> > > > > > sterling
> > > > > > silver, 10, 14 or 18 karat gold.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regarding sizing; we are also capable
> > > of
> > > > > making
> > > > > > smaller versions of the ring.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you have any additional questions,
> > > > don't
> > > > > > hesitate
> > > > > > to call or email. Mike
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- Stephen Gallagher
> > > <spqr753@m...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Dear Mr. Carroll
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please take a look at our web site
> > > > > > > http://www.novaroma.org/main.html
> > > you
> > > > will
> > > > > see
> > > > > > our
> > > > > > > flag with the SPQR in the middle of
> > > the
> > > > gold
> > > > > > wreath.
> > > > > > > we would like something like this
> > > either
> > >
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Salve Scaurus,

<Just how badly do you want to your monitor screen to crack? Do you
<collect pictures of fat, bearded men in togas?

LOL! Do what I do: take the photos with a digital camera and keep snapping until you get one that
looks good. Then delete the rest :-)

Vale,
Diana

Salve

I just thought of a sure fire fundraiser for NR

If people do not send in a check for $ 1000.00

The three of of will send them pictures of ourselves without a shirts on.

We could raise MILLIONS.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2004 11:35 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: New website


Salve G. Iuli Scaure,

Not to worry! Whenever you have a chance or feel like doing a photo.
Actually I am your age and have had to shed some kilos over the last
few months on that Atkins program. I'm starting to get back to my old
human form again. I like to put a face to the people I communicate
with. I'll try and send in a photo to the albums in Roman garb when I
get it. All the best!

Quintus Lanius Paulinus




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Rose <gfr@w...> wrote:
> G. Iulius Scaurus Q. Lanio Paulino salutem dicit.
>
> Salve, Q. Lani.
>
> >That looks good and unerstandable to me. Is there any way you can
get
> >a photo for Curule Aedile Scaurus to color up the site?
> >
>
> Just how badly do you want to your monitor screen to crack? Do you
> collect pictures of fat, bearded men in togas? More seriously, I
am
> myself an absolute disaster with a camera of any sort, but one of
these
> days I'll put on my toga praetexta and have someone competent take
a
> photo; then I'll scan it and send it to G. Vipsanius for posting to
the
> website, just to prove that I can be a sadistic SOB. But I draw
the
> line before being photographed in laena and apex: I doubt I'll ever
be
> in the mood for buffalo vs. unicorn jokes :-).
>
> Vale.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus
>
> >
> >





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Salvete Quirites,

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus writes:

> I just thought of a sure fire fundraiser for NR
>
> If people do not send in a check for $ 1000.00
>
> The three of of will send them pictures of ourselves without a shirts on.
>
> We could raise MILLIONS.

You're a twisted man Tiberius. I'm thinking how calendars featuring
attractive studley men are called "beefcake." Would this be the
"porkcake" calendar?

Just personally, I'd rather a "cheesecake" calendar featuring the lovely
lasses of NR. But that's just me.

--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus

Salvete omnes,

I've just come home from hospital to find some very kind messages in my post.
Please forgive me for not being able to reply individually right now - I'm
not able to do too much - but I did want to say straight away how deeply
grateful I am for all the prayers and good wishes. My heartfelt thanks to everyone
who was kind enough to contact me.

Valete,

Placidia Prisca


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<I'm thinking how calendars featuring
<attractive studley men are called "beefcake." Would this be the
<"porkcake" calendar?

Ah now Marinus, beauty really is in the eye of the beholder... While I am a huge fan of beefcake,
a beefcake with a boring personality wouldn't last long with any gal. A nice smile and a good
sense of humour goes a long way in real life. Ot at least I hope so :-)

<Just personally, I'd rather a "cheesecake" calendar featuring the lovely
<lasses of NR. But that's just me.

Actually my idea to make money is to have a Senators Calendar featuring one Senator every month
and writing something comical under each photo. This would be friendly comical and not mean
comical by the way :-) Volunteers for the first calendar anyone? :-)

Vale,
Diana

Diana Octavia Aventina wrote:

> Actually my idea to make money is to have a Senators Calendar featuring
> one Senator every month and writing something comical under each photo.
> This would be friendly comical and not mean comical by the way :-)
> Volunteers for the first calendar anyone? :-)

Sure! You can stick my image in there with "Would you buy a used car
from this man?" under it.

--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus

---


Salvete Studlii Ramanii et Omnes:

The idea of a calendar of sorts has been discussed in the past by
Sodalitates Militarium et Egressus involving photographs of Nova Roma
sponsored Roman reenactor legionaires, Roman gatherings etc. as an
offical of an auxillary aspect of Nova Roman involvement.

Something 'physical' that you could post on your wall to write in
dentist/doctor's appointments, school and work commitments et al...

Kind of a like "Nova Roma this Past Year" concept. Mind you, if you
should have sudden reasons to adopt 'new' themes to this project,
please do feel that we are 'insisting' on an 'hyperprudent' approach
to this conception :)

Pompeia



In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Bill Gawne <gawne@c...> wrote:

> Diana Octavia Aventina wrote:
>
> > Actually my idea to make money is to have a Senators Calendar

featuring

> > one Senator every month and writing something comical under each

photo.

> > This would be friendly comical and not mean comical by the way :-)
> > Volunteers for the first calendar anyone? :-)
>
> Sure! You can stick my image in there with "Would you buy a used car
> from this man?" under it.
>
> --
> Gnaeus Equitius Marinus

G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem VII Kalendae Martii; the day is nefastus publicus
and the Feria Terminaliae. The Feria Terminaliae was sacred to
Terminus, the God of land boundaries. Ward Fowler provides a touching
description of the caerimonia of the Terminalia:

"The ritual of the Terminalia in the country districts is described by
Ovid [Fasti ii.643ff]. The two landowners garlanded each his side of
the boundary-stone, and all offerings were double. An altar is made;
and fire is carried from the hearth by the farmer's wife, while the
old man cuts up sticks and builds them in a framework of stout stakes.
Then with dry bark the fire is kindled; from a basket, held ready by
a boy, the little daughter of the family thrice shakes the fruits of
the earth into the fire, and offers cakes of honey. Others stand by
with wine; and the neighbours (or dependants) look on in silence and
clothed in white. A lamb is slain, and a suckling-pig, and the
boundary-stone sprinkled with their blood; and the ceremony ends with
a feast and songs in praise of holy Terminus" [The Roman Festivals, 325].

Terminus was also closely associated with Iuppiter Optimus Maximus and
the virtue of keeping one's word with one's neighbours so intimately
at the base of a system of land boundaries in an agricultural society.

Ovid also reports that a public sacrifice was made at the sixth
milestone of the Via Laurentina [Fasti ii.679ff].

Tomorrow is ante diem VI Kalendae Martii; the day is nefastus and the
Feria Regifugii. Ovid and his contemporaries believed that the Feria
Regifugii commemorated the flight of King Tarquinius Superbus from
Rome, expelled by the founders of the republic [Fasti ii.685ff], a
view also held by Varro. However, Verrius Flaccus rejected this view,
as suggested in a gloss to Festus 278, as did Plutarch [Queast. Rom.
63]. Their view, accepted by Mommsen, held that the feria represented
the flight from the city of the Rex (and later the Rex Sacrorum) after
a sacrifice, perhaps bearing from the city the faults for which the
victim was sacrificed in a piacular caerimonia. This would parallel
the Poplifugia of July 5, in which those attending a purificatory
sacrifice flee the city to bear away from the pomerium the faults for
which the piaculum had been required. Such an interpretation of the
Regifugium is consistent with the generally piacular character of the
feriae of February.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex

G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to download a PDF of "Reconstructing Ancient Rome, Using
Remote Sensing and GIS-Technology: The Archaeological Information
System FORTVNA":

http://www.fortvna.de/URS2001.PDF

This essay is a report on a long-term project by German scholars to
map archaeological sites in the city of Rome using new remote sensing
and GIS-technology software created by the FORTVNA programme.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus

There was a surprise in the pipeline for archaeologists on a Roman
fort dig at Vindolanda in Northumberland

February 6th, 2004
By Tony Henderson Environment Editor, The Journal

They unearthed 30 yards of wooden mains which fed the fort with
water from nearby springs.
And to their amazement, the mains were still working and carrying
water - almost 2,000 years after they were first installed.
"The fact that they were still working is quite incredible but it
was also a nuisance because they flooded the excavation trenches
which had to be pumped out every day," said Robin Birley, director
of excavations at Vindolanda.
The pipes had been created by drilling huge lengths of alder, which
were joined together by oak pegs.
"There were no nails or iron. Everything was done by joinery which
fitted perfectly," said Robin.
The pipes were found under the floor of what is believed to be a
hospital from around 100AD.


Vindolanda director of excavations Robin Birley

It is thought the mains network fed spring water to individual
buildings in the fort - a system which did not return to parts of
Northumberland until the 19th Century.
The dig has also revealed that something was afoot in the fort
itself when it came to the soldiers and their relationships. It has
been generally believed that women were not allowed to stay inside
the fort with the troops.
But the dig has uncovered a total of 238 boots and shoes - and half
of them belonged to women and children. "There doesn't seem to be
much doubt that there are women and children in the barracks," said
Robin.
Vindolanda become famous through the discovery of about 1,700
examples of writing tablets which give a remarkable insight into
life on the Roman frontier.
Now, with the backing of the Heritage Lottery Fund, the Vindolanda
Trust has bought 15 acres of farmland adjoining the fort.
A magnetometer survey has shown that there are significant remains
beneath this land.
Robin said: "It seems that there is a vast amount of activity and
everything under the sun out there - workshops, industrial activity,
houses and burials."
The new land doubles the area available for excavation. Around 800
people lived on the site for 350 years and Robin reckons that the
original 13-acre sort site will take another 150 years alone to
excavate.

SALVETE QUIRITES

I've just done my choice for the questions to send to professor
Poliseno. Trust me, it was a really hard task!
I found them all interesting and sharp, but I had to choose only 4
questions, about 20% of all the one received!

I thank you for your interest in this project.

In a few days I'll let you know next Expert!

BENE VALETE
L IUL SULLA
Italia

Salve Marinus,

<Sure! You can stick my image in there with "Would you buy a used car
<from this man?" under it.

I was thinking more in line with 'This tall dark and handsome Senator can not only manage a
Province and the entire Senate but can align a satellite down to smallest detail!" :-)

Vale,
Diana

Salvete!

I was wondering if anyone could refer me to some good sources on Pontius Pilate and his times. I would like to find out more about what kind of person he actually was and what did really happen to him.

Valete! Vipsania


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Salve!
If you use Internet Explorer for your web-browser, you may start to wonder
why everything is looking so grey tomorrow. Its because of the Grey Tuesday
(greytuesday.org) Protest. Quite a few websites are participating in the
protest by "turning grey". Including mine
(_http://members.tripod.com/RomanaImperia_ (http://members.tripod.com/RomanaImperia) ). I'm using a tiny bit of
javascript to turn mine grey, it only works in Internet Explorer though, as far
as I know.
Vale,
Iulius Titinius Antonius


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Salve Romans

I would like to announce that the Sodalitas Musarum has finished holding elections and is developing plans to bring about a revitalization of the Sodalitas Musarum. We invite all Nova Romans to join us in this effort.

As you know "The Musarum is a sodalitas (that is, an association) created to promote the arts and sciences, both within Nova Roma and internationally. We fully support the ancient and modern arts through the original contributions of our members and through the posting of original works by the ancient masters.

We are Nova Roma's ambassadors of arts and science to the rest of the world."

You can find us at http://musarum.cynico.net/index.html

I would like to congratulate the new officers
Scriba - Horatia Minucia Caesar
Retiarius - Caius Curius Saturninus
Librarius - Spurius Postumius Tubertus
Curator Sermonis - Cnaeus Equitius Marinus
Rogator-Caia Fabia Livia
Calliope - Caius Iulius Iustinus Apollonaris

and new Musaei of the Sodalitas

Clio - Livia Cornelia Hibernia
Euterpe - Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
Melpomene - Caia Fabia Livia
Terpsichore - Cnaeus Equitius Marinus
Erato - Lucius Quintius Constantinus
Polyhymnia - Caius Modius Athanasius
Urania - Cnaeus Equitius Marinus
Thalia - Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix
Apollo - Caius Modius Athanasius

I wanted to thank St. Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus for serving as our Rogator Pro Tem and to especially thank Spurius Postumius Tubertus for working very hard on the elections and for working to bring about this reorganization of the Musarum.

The gifted Flavia Tullia Valeria Scholastica has agreed to serve as the the Latinist and Hellenist of the Sodalitas Musarum.

I have asked that each officer and Musaei submit to me a short description on what you plan on doing in your area of responsibility and where you think the Sodalitas should go. Any member of the Sodalitas or of Nova Roma is welcomed to make suggestions The more ideas the better!!!!


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Coryphaeus Sodalitas Musarum
Facilius per partes in cognitionem totius adducimur.


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G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem VI Kalendae Martii; the day is nefastus and the
Feria Regifugii. Ovid and his contemporaries believed that the Feria
Regifugii commemorated the flight of King Tarquinius Superbus from
Rome, expelled by the founders of the republic [Fasti ii.685ff], a
view also held by Varro. Howevfer, Verrius Flaccus rejected this
view, as suggested in a gloss to Festus 278, as did Plutarch [Queast.
Rom. 63]. Their view, accepted by Mommsen, held that the feria
represented the flight from the city of the Rex (and later the Rex
Sacrorum) after a sacrifice, perhaps bearing from the city the faults
for which the victim was sacrificed in a piacular caerimonia. This
would parallel the Poplifugia of July 5, in which those attending a
purificatory sacrifice flee the city to bear away from the pomerium
the faults for which the piaculum had been required. Such an
interpretation of the Regifugium is consistent with the generally
piacular character of the feriae of February.


Tomorrow is ante diem bissextilem Kalendae Martii; the day is
comitialis. In leap years, instead of adding a day at the end of
Februarius the intercalated day in the Iulian calendar was the day
immediately following the sixth day before the Kalends of March and
was counted as a "twice-sixth," hence a bissextilis.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex

G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Digestenexegese und Sozialstrukturgeschichte: Zum
Nutzen interdisziplinärer Zusammenarbeit am Beispiel des
'familia'-Begriffs in Dig. 50, 16, 195. [Digest-Exegesis and
social-structure history: On the utility of interdisciplinary
collaboration in the example of the 'familia-Concept in Dig. 50, 16,
195]":

http://www.tu-berlin.de/fb1/AGiW/Scriptorium/S4.htm

This essay by Christian Gizewski is in German. For non-Germanophones
I recommend the machine translation software available at
http://www.freetranslation.com/link.htm.
Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus

A. Apollonius Cordus to Vipsania and all citizens and
peregrines, greetings.

I hope you're well; I'm well.

> I was wondering if anyone could refer me to some
> good sources on Pontius Pilate and his times. I
> would like to find out more about what kind of
> person he actually was and what did really happen to
> him.

A fascinating book which discusses both the historical
man and the later traditions and interpretations of
him in literature and legend is Ann Wroe's 'Pilate:
The biography of an invented man' (Jonathan Cape,
London, 1999), ISBN (hardback) 0-224-05942-4. She
gives a good bibliography also.





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Salvete Quirites,

Vipsania writes:

> I was wondering if anyone could refer me to some good sources on
> Pontius Pilate and his times. I would like to find out more about
> what kind of person he actually was and what did really happen to him.

Pontius Pilate : The Biography of an Invented Man
by Ann Wroe
# Paperback: 432 pages
# Publisher: Modern Library; (March 6, 2001)
# ISBN: 0375753974

Quoting from the Review at Amazon:

Pontius Pilate, by Ann Wroe, is beautifully written, imaginatively
researched, and intricately structured. Most importantly, it provides
readers with a valuable emotional experience: a chance to rediscover and
redeem Pilate's famous question--"What is truth?"--in a spirit of
humility and hope. A handful of small coins and one inscribed stone are
the only physical evidence that Pilate existed. All of the textual
sources that mention Pilate, Wroe notes, are "so wrapped in propaganda
or agendas that it is difficult to detect what, if anything, may be
true." But since Pilate "stands at the center of the Christian story and
God's plan of redemption," Wroe persevered in her efforts to discern the
profile of his life. "Without his climactic judgment of Jesus, the world
would not have been saved. To have a faceless bureaucrat at the heart of
all this drama was unacceptable: something had to be made of this man."
The book's bold ambition, however, is not blind. "This is not a search
for the 'real' Pilate," Wroe admits. "At best, all we have are glints
and hypotheses." To learn about her subject, Wroe had to sacrifice most
of her sympathetic impulses and shift her concentration to the elements
of Roman life that she did not understand. And oddly enough, the
passages in which Wroe describes her ignorance most clearly are where we
begin to glimpse "a man actually walking on a marble floor in Caesarea,
feeling his shoes pinch, clicking his fingers for a slave, while clouds
of lasting infamy gather overhead." --This text refers to an out of
print or unavailable edition of this title.

-- Marinus

EDICTVM DE PRETIO ACTAE

According to the report presented by the Curator Differum about the
economical status of our official newsletter, further subscriptions to
"The Eagle" shall hereby be priced at US$30.00 (60 sestercii).
This new price takes into account the higher printing and postage
costs. It is based on the actual costs derived from the printing and
postage costs for the January 2004 issue of "The Eagle".

Datum a.d. VI Kal. Martias anno MMDCLVII Cn. Salici Asturi Cn.
Equitio Marino Consulibus.
[Given on the 24th day of February of 2004, year of the consulship of
Cn. Salix Astur and Cn. Equitius Marinus.]

CN.SALIX.ASTVR.CONSVL

Salvete,

I'd like to ask you,
does anybody know some site, where is possible to download free 3d
models from Roman life for 3d max, or another 3d program?

Thanks

Valete,
franto
web: http://www.franto.com

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There was a surprise in the pipeline for archaeologists on a Roman
fort dig at Vindolanda in Northumberland

February 6th, 2004
By Tony Henderson Environment Editor, The Journal

They unearthed 30 yards of wooden mains which fed the fort with
water from nearby springs.
And to their amazement, the mains were still working and carrying
water - almost 2,000 years after they were first installed.
"The fact that they were still working is quite incredible but it
was also a nuisance because they flooded the excavation trenches
which had to be pumped out every day," said Robin Birley, director
of excavations at Vindolanda.
The pipes had been created by drilling huge lengths of alder, which
were joined together by oak pegs.
"There were no nails or iron. Everything was done by joinery which
fitted perfectly," said Robin.
The pipes were found under the floor of what is believed to be a
hospital from around 100AD.


Vindolanda director of excavations Robin Birley

It is thought the mains network fed spring water to individual
buildings in the fort - a system which did not return to parts of
Northumberland until the 19th Century.
The dig has also revealed that something was afoot in the fort
itself when it came to the soldiers and their relationships. It has
been generally believed that women were not allowed to stay inside
the fort with the troops.
But the dig has uncovered a total of 238 boots and shoes - and half
of them belonged to women and children. "There doesn't seem to be
much doubt that there are women and children in the barracks," said
Robin.
Vindolanda become famous through the discovery of about 1,700
examples of writing tablets which give a remarkable insight into
life on the Roman frontier.
Now, with the backing of the Heritage Lottery Fund, the Vindolanda
Trust has bought 15 acres of farmland adjoining the fort.
A magnetometer survey has shown that there are significant remains
beneath this land.
Robin said: "It seems that there is a vast amount of activity and
everything under the sun out there - workshops, industrial activity,
houses and burials."
The new land doubles the area available for excavation. Around 800
people lived on the site for 350 years and Robin reckons that the
original 13-acre sort site will take another 150 years alone to
excavate.






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Try these sites. There are many sites both scholarly and biblical on line,
but if you are trying to find out more about the historical Pilate, You can
read Tacitus, who talks of him, Josephus writings also mention him, but
there is not much truly known of him other than a few artifacts from some
archaeological digs in Caesarea.

Clovius

http://www.livius.org/pi-pm/pilate/pilate01.htm

http://religion.rutgers.edu/iho/pilate_2.html

http://www2.evansville.edu/ecoleweb/articles/pilate.html

http://www.brucebawer.com/pilate.htm


Pukulpa Tjunguringkunytja - by Diana James


We walk together on sacred ground.
Black feet, white feet, treading softly on the land.
Mother Kuniya moves beneath our feet,
the Tjukurpa/Creation Law breathes life
into the sacred landscape of Uluru.

White guides and Anangu guides, working together. We stand firm in
the laws of the two cultures, keeping the cultural and natural heritage
strong.
Our feet on sacred ground our hands reach up to hold the new circle of life;
The campfire, the waterhole, where people of all cultures can meet and
share.

Argent, a natural panther's head sable, in chief three
gouttes d'huile.




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From: jaleh mansouri [mailto:vipasaniamagna@...]
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:25 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Pontius Pilate


Salvete!

I was wondering if anyone could refer me to some good sources on Pontius
Pilate and his times. I would like to find out more about what kind of
person he actually was and what did really happen to him.

Valete! Vipsania


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Salve Vispania,

Here is a good link to start with: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12083c.htm

You have to figure that the Catholic Church would tend to know about the man
with clean hands. The article also mentions the sources, so you can go from there.

Vale,

Ambrosius Celetrus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, jaleh mansouri <vipasaniamagna@y...> wrote:
> Salvete!
>
> I was wondering if anyone could refer me to some good sources on Pontius Pilate and his times. I would like to find out more about
what kind of person he actually was and what did really happen to him.
>
> Valete! Vipsania
>
>
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Salve Vispania,

Here is a good link to start with:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12083c.htm

You have to figure that the Catholic Church would tend to know about the

man. The article also mentions the sources, so you can go from there.

Vale,

Ambrosius Celetrus



jaleh mansouri wrote:

> Salvete!
>
> I was wondering if anyone could refer me to some good sources on
> Pontius Pilate and his times. I would like to find out more about
> what kind of person he actually was and what did really happen to him.
>
> Valete! Vipsania
>
>
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Salvete sodales,

First, I would like to apologize for any duplicate posts regarding
Pontius Pilate links. I've been fiddling with my e-mail addresses.
Second, I just finished reading a fascinating book: "Salt: A World
History," by Mark Kurlansky. It is about salt and its importance
throughout the ages, and there is some interesting material about the
Roman salt industry.

Valete,

Ambrosius Celetrus

Salvete!

I search stories from Vergil´s Aeneis and interesting things about the Stoic and Epicurean live
So I wish everybody an beautiful evening

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Salve

--- "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)"
<mjk@...> escreveu:

> Salve Pompeia,
>
> I have to tear jars like Nero in Quo Vadis; a shed
> one tear for you
> in the right bottle and one tear in the left bottle
> for me.
> It looks like the Gods must be punishing our eastern
> and western
> provinces this year with all this cold and bad
> weather lately.
> Hopefully we will have an early spring!
>
> Perhaps we should appeal to the senate to cancel his
> vacation and
> send him to Canada Occidentalis as a legate or
> future governor. Here
> he may practice the vitrues of stoicism don't you
> think?

M.Arminius: We brazilians are very curious about that
strange phenomena called "snow", that never happens in
our territory (how cold is Canada now?). However, the
good Faustus, provincial Legate, is currently assigned
with the supervision of the beaches and swimming pools
of Brasilia for the rest of our incredible hot summer.

> Regards,
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Vale
M.Arminius
Propraetor, Brasilia prov.


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SALVETE ROMANI! Today is the Dies Natalis of Salvator
Claudius aurelius Ruta (Salvatore C. Ruta) who was the
Princeps of the Curia Romana Patrum of Italy's M.T.R.
or the Movimento Tradizionale Romano (Traditional
Roman Movement) and one of it's founders. He was born
on Feb. 24, 1923. He passed away in June of 2002. He
was a long Amicus and Frater of mine who basically
taught me everything I now know about Religio Romana
and the traditional Mos Maiorum! This morning at my
Lararium I burned incense in behalf of his Genius.
Salvator Claudius Aurelius, you are not forgotten!!!
He was also the Senior Paterfamilias of the Gens
Aurelia where he lived in Messina, Sicily. Salve atque
vale Frater mi! Gaius Iulius Iulianus, PGI, Flamen Florealis

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Salve M Armini,

Well as for me I am working 200 km North East of Fort Nelson British
Columbia hear the border of the North West Territories. Its easy to
find on the map. Our average temperature here since Jan. 1 has been
about -18 C. Mid January until Feb 7 the temperature was -31 C to -
24 C but we had a few days that went down to - 47C. Those
temperatures really slow things up but fortunately all our vehicles
in this part of the world have electric engine block heaters you just
plug into an outlet. The city where I live, Edmonton about 1000 km
south east varies between 0 and -30 in the winter; somtimes you get
warm moubtain air pushing out the artic air and the temperature is 0 -
10 C.

Now I know hundreds of people in the Latin American community here.
The first year they come here in the cold,they look like the
anguished face of Jesus on the cross and more often than not, they
want to go back home right away - even those from central America and
Columbia say that perhaps it is better to take their chances with the
guerillas or kidnappers rather than the cold but in time the spring
and summer return, they adapt and are happy here.

We did not get too much snow this winter but they did in Eastern
Canada. Perhaps Pompeia Cornelia can tell you about that.

All the best!

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

PS - I must be tougher than some of the Romans. They lamented about
cool temperatures in Northern Gaul, Germania and England that I would
consider tropical at this time of year!



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, M Arminius Maior <marminius@y...>
wrote:

> Salve
>
> --- "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)"
> <mjk@d...> escreveu:
> > Salve Pompeia,
> >
> > I have to tear jars like Nero in Quo Vadis; a shed
> > one tear for you
> > in the right bottle and one tear in the left bottle
> > for me.
> > It looks like the Gods must be punishing our eastern
> > and western
> > provinces this year with all this cold and bad
> > weather lately.
> > Hopefully we will have an early spring!
> >
> > Perhaps we should appeal to the senate to cancel his
> > vacation and
> > send him to Canada Occidentalis as a legate or
> > future governor. Here
> > he may practice the vitrues of stoicism don't you
> > think?
>
> M.Arminius: We brazilians are very curious about that
> strange phenomena called "snow", that never happens in
> our territory (how cold is Canada now?). However, the
> good Faustus, provincial Legate, is currently assigned
> with the supervision of the beaches and swimming pools
> of Brasilia for the rest of our incredible hot summer.
>
>
> > Regards,
> > Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
> Vale
> M.Arminius
> Propraetor, Brasilia prov.
>
>
>

______________________________________________________________________

>
> Yahoo! Mail - O melhor e-mail do Brasil! Abra sua conta agora:
> http://br.yahoo.com/info/mail.html

In a message dated 2/24/04 10:12:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,
salixastur@... writes:

> According to the report presented by the Curator Differum about the
> economical status of our official newsletter, further subscriptions to
> "The Eagle" shall hereby be priced at US$30.00 (60 sestercii).
> This new price takes into account the higher printing and postage
> costs. It is based on the actual costs derived from the printing and
> postage costs for the January 2004 issue of "The Eagle".
>
> Datum a.d. VI Kal. Martias anno MMDCLVII Cn. Salici Asturi Cn.
> Equitio Marino Consulibus.
> [Given on the 24th day of February of 2004, year of the consulship of
> Cn. Salix Astur and Cn. Equitius Marinus.]
>
> CN.SALIX.ASTVR.CONSVL
>
>

Salvete
This is wonderful news. I am so glad that our loss leader, will not be a
loss leader this year.

There is a lot to like about the Eagle, it should be our good will
ambassador, yet since it always loses money, it was hard to be serious about it. I will
start contributing articles again, though I request that our intellectual
property contained within be protected before I do. Where is the subscription
money to be sent, and can we pay by pay pal?

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Salve Consuls

This is a postscript to my first e-mail on this issue.

The Senate voted in February of 2756 that the Curator Differum could raise the price of the Eagle so my question is is this your edict or his?

Vale

TGP

----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Salix Astur
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:26 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] EDICTVM DE PRETIO ACTAE


EDICTVM DE PRETIO ACTAE

According to the report presented by the Curator Differum about the
economical status of our official newsletter, further subscriptions to
"The Eagle" shall hereby be priced at US$30.00 (60 sestercii).
This new price takes into account the higher printing and postage
costs. It is based on the actual costs derived from the printing and
postage costs for the January 2004 issue of "The Eagle".

Datum a.d. VI Kal. Martias anno MMDCLVII Cn. Salici Asturi Cn.
Equitio Marino Consulibus.
[Given on the 24th day of February of 2004, year of the consulship of
Cn. Salix Astur and Cn. Equitius Marinus.]

CN.SALIX.ASTVR.CONSVL




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Salve Nova Roma

This was meant to go to the two Consuls. Please disregard my posting to the wrong address.

My apologies to the Consuls

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: Stephen Gallagher
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] EDICTVM DE PRETIO ACTAE


Salve Consuls

This is a postscript to my first e-mail on this issue.

The Senate voted in February of 2756 that the Curator Differum could raise the price of the Eagle so my question is is this your edict or his?

Vale

TGP
----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Salix Astur
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 10:26 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] EDICTVM DE PRETIO ACTAE


EDICTVM DE PRETIO ACTAE

According to the report presented by the Curator Differum about the
economical status of our official newsletter, further subscriptions to
"The Eagle" shall hereby be priced at US$30.00 (60 sestercii).
This new price takes into account the higher printing and postage
costs. It is based on the actual costs derived from the printing and
postage costs for the January 2004 issue of "The Eagle".

Datum a.d. VI Kal. Martias anno MMDCLVII Cn. Salici Asturi Cn.
Equitio Marino Consulibus.
[Given on the 24th day of February of 2004, year of the consulship of
Cn. Salix Astur and Cn. Equitius Marinus.]

CN.SALIX.ASTVR.CONSVL




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You are a bad writer



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Ave,
WHO is a bad writer? :-)


Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus

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That is an interesting question.

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Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Registration confirmation


Ave,
WHO is a bad writer? :-)


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G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem bissextilem Kalendae Martii; the day is comitialis.
In leap years, instead of adding a day at the end of Februarius the
intercalated day in the Iulian calendar was the day immediately
following the sixth day before the Kalends of March and was counted as
a "twice-sixth," hence a bissextilis.

Tomorrow is ante diem V Kalendae Martii; the day is comitialis.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex

G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Ostfriesland: Geschichte und Archaeolgie [East
Frisia: History and Archaeology]":

http://www.fiks.de/roemer/index.html

This site, created by Norbert Fiks, includes such topics as "Die Römer
in Ostfriesland," "Eine Mars-Statuette in Ostfriesland," and "Die
Römer auf deutschen Briefmarken," as well as links to other
Roman-related sites. For non-Germanophones I recommend the machine
translation software available at http://www.freetranslation.com/link.htm.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus

Salvete Omnes:

I didn't reply to the actual message entitled as above, supposedly by
Minucius., but I *do* think the message is a VIRUS. Another, rather
idiopathic message showed up in the forum, I'd say about two weeks ago
from Fortunatus.

LOL if Minucius wanted to give you a piece of his mind, I'm *sure*
he'd be just a tad more colourful than saying 'you're a bad writer'.

Po

Gaius Modius Athanasius Quinto Fabio Maximo SPD

I am editor and chief of a Pagan publication called Oak Leaves, it is the official quarterly publication of an organization known as ADF (www.adf.org). I have about a $4000 - $5000 budjet per year, and Oak Leaves DOES NOT loose money for ADF. The Eagle COULD make money for Nova Roma, or at least break even if it was managed correctly (no slight intended to the current or past editors). I do not think the system that Nova Roma utilizes to manage and distribute the Eagle is ever going to make it a truly viable publication in Nova Roma. Of course this is just my opinion, and I am a big advocate for PRINT media (I don't care for on-line 'zines).

Vale;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 2/24/2004 3:10:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, QFabiusMaxmi writes:

> Salvete
> This is wonderful news. I am so glad that our loss leader, will not be a
> loss leader this year.
>
> There is a lot to like about the Eagle, it should be our good will
> ambassador, yet since it always loses money, it was hard to be serious about it. I will
> start contributing articles again, though I request that our intellectual
> property contained within be protected before I do. Where
> is the subscription
> money to be sent, and can we pay by pay pal?
>
> Valete
> Q. Fabius Maximus

I have been wondering about the place of architects in acient Rome. Were
they slaves? Did they have a similar position as in the renaisance or modern
times? Or we're they part of some cult or religious group as in Egypt? If
somebody knows the answer please reply.

_________________________________________________________________
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http://messenger.latam.msn.com/

Salvete onmes,

I wish to apologize for my rather scant recommendation of Mark
Kurlansky's "Salt: A World History," Walker Publishing Company,
2002. I was distracted and my post was hasty. While only one chapter
of the book deals with salt in ancient Rome, the entire work is
an interesting journey through history by way of the Via Salaria. The
following quote is from the book jacket, but it is an accurate
description of the information conveyed:

"The story of salt encompasses fields as disparate as engineering,
religion, and food, all of which Kurlansky richly explores. Few
endeavors have inspired more ingenuity than salt making, from the
natural gas furnaces of ancient China to the drilling techniques that
led to the age of petroleum, and salt revenues have funded some of
the greatest public works in history, including the Erie Canal and
the Great Wall of China. Salt's ability to preserve and sustain life
has made it a metaphorical symbol in all religions. Just as
significantly, salt has shaped the history of foods like cheese,
sauerkraut, olives, and more, and Kurlansky's conveys, in his saga
and
through forty historic recipes, how they have in turn molded
civilization and eating habits the world over."

It is a very interesting and highly readable book, and is certainly
worth a trip to the library if not outright purchase.

Valete,

Ambrosius Celetrus

Salve sodalis,

Do a Google search for "Vitruvius." That'll get you started. Then go
to the LacusCurtius site. You can find Vitruvius' complete text on
architecture.

http://www.ukans.edu/history/index/europe/ancient_
rome/E/Roman/home.html

Vale,

Ambrosius Celetrus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Pepe Morales" <damianpepearq@h...>
wrote:

>
> I have been wondering about the place of architects in acient Rome.

Were

> they slaves? Did they have a similar position as in the renaisance

or modern

> times? Or we're they part of some cult or religious group as in

Egypt? If

> somebody knows the answer please reply.

>>LOL if Minucius wanted to give you a piece of his mind, I'm *sure*

he'd be just a tad more colourful than saying 'you're a bad writer'.

Po<<


And I dare say, a bit more wordy.....;-).

Valete,

C. Popillius Laenas

Salvete Quirites;
with the permission of the Censors and the help of my good friends &
Classicists Cordus and Saturninus I have changed my praenomen and
agnomen to better reflect the usuage of antiquita
my new name is: Septima Fabia Vera Fausta

Since I have been signing my posts only with my Gens name and there
are no other female Fabi Veri, I hope this will only cause slight
annoyance.
bene valete in pace deorum
Sep. Fabia Vera Fausta

Avete Hiberni;
do check out the Nova Roma main page and see our new listing as a
separate Provincia with the cives detailed underneath. Many thanks to
our Curator Differanum, multas gratias tibi ago.

Additionally we will be having our first get together on Saturday
afternoon, May 6th in Dublin. If you need more details just write to
me, the organizer, and I will get back to you. Our Provincia will get
the reputation of having the wittiest conversationalists and best
times!
Remember Hispania is just a hop away,so lets discuss this summer's
Rally.
optime valete, Septima Fabia Vera Fausta

Salve, Pompeia Cornelia; salvete, omnes.

On Wed, Feb 25, 2004 at 09:23:39AM -0000, pompeia_cornelia wrote:
> Salvete Omnes:
>
> I didn't reply to the actual message entitled as above, supposedly by
> Minucius., but I *do* think the message is a VIRUS.

The virus was stripped off by Yahoo, but - yeah, it's one of the
standard "hooks" that are supposed to induce people to open the
attachment.

> Another, rather
> idiopathic message showed up in the forum, I'd say about two weeks ago
> from Fortunatus.

The "Received" chain in the email headers says:

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by mta3.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2004 03:20:54 -0000
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The point of origin - the "unknown" host disguising itself as
"webtv.net" (i.e., the ostensible sender's server, which is pretty
clever for a spammer) - is 68.39.194.29, which resolves to

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ben@Fenrir:~$ whois 68.39.194.29
Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. JUMPSTART-1 (NET-68-32-0-0-1)
68.32.0.0 - 68.63.255.255
Comcast Cable Communications, Inc. NJ-NORTH-8 (NET-68-39-128-0-1)
68.39.128.0 - 68.39.255.255

# ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2004-02-24 19:15
# Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.
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Looks like a Comcast customer, out of northern New Jersey. Back in the
early days of spam, I used to send reports and back-traces like the
above to the ISPs whenever I got spammed, and still have my collection
of spam-kills. Unfortunately, it's gone way beyond that point now, an
many of them are using the multi-source method developed by the Poles
and the Russians, which basically means that every net-connected Wind0ws
machine is a possible spam server. [sigh] One day soon, when everyone in
the world is running Linux or OS/X, that won't be a problem... oh, am I
dreaming again? :)

> LOL if Minucius wanted to give you a piece of his mind, I'm *sure*
> he'd be just a tad more colourful than saying 'you're a bad writer'.

[chortle] Yes, I suspect he could teach lessons in, um, self-expression.


Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Ave, imperator, morituri te salutant!
Hail, emperor, those who will die salute you.
-- Suetonius, Vitae Caesarum, Claudius. The fighters' greeting to the emperor before
gladiatorial games.

Read the details.



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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@c...>
wrote:

> machine is a possible spam server. [sigh] One day soon, when everyone in
> the world is running Linux or OS/X, that won't be a problem... oh, am I
> dreaming again? :)

Salve,

Dreaming, because if tommorow everyone switched to either Linux and/or
OS/X then the virus coders will just code their viruses exploit the
holes in Linux and/or OS/X. The reason that Windoze is the prime
target isn't because it's so full of security holes (every operating
system has its own unique security holes). It's the prime target
because it's the most common system. If you want to reign havoc and
flood the world with spam you're not going to go after the 10% that
don't run Windoze, you go after the 90% that do.

If it weren't for having to be compatible with what we have at work
I'd dump Windoze for Linux in a heartbeat.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@e...>
wrote:

> That is an interesting question.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Charlie Collins
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2004 7:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Registration confirmation
>
>
> Ave,
> WHO is a bad writer? :-)
>
>
> Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
>
> --
> AIM: KSDeist or CensorSVR

Salve,

That is obviously not Senator Audens, it's just a spam-virus attacker
using his email address to "spread the posion."

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus