Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Mar 1-11, 2004

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21171 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-01
Subject: Kalendae Martii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21172 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-01
Subject: The History of Eturia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21173 From: m_iulius@virgilio.it Date: 2004-03-01
Subject: Aediles Urbis elections
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21174 From: Scriboni89@aol.com Date: 2004-03-01
Subject: Re: Kalendae Martii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21175 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-01
Subject: Re: Kalendae Martii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21176 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-01
Subject: Happy Anniversary Nova Roma!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21177 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-01
Subject: Re: S.P.D?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21178 From: GAIVS IVLIANVS Date: 2004-03-01
Subject: Happy Sacral New Year Iulii!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21179 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-01
Subject: Consular Edictum: Establishing of a commission to study the Incorpo
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21180 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-01
Subject: Consular Edictum: De Nominatione Accensae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21181 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: ante diem VI Nonae Martiix
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21182 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: I giardini di Roma antica [The Gardens of Ancient Rome]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21183 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Factio Praesina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21184 From: hucke@cynico.net Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Re: Thanks!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21185 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Candidates for propraetorship
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21186 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Re: Thanks!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21187 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Re: Candidates for propraetorship
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21188 From: Manius Constantinus Serapio Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Re: I giardini di Roma antica [The Gardens of Ancient Rome]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21189 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Re: Candidates for propraetorship
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21190 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: problems sending email from Yahoo?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21191 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Re: The History of Eturia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21192 From: maadsarus Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Eurepean August Rally, Spain 6,7 and 8th
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21193 From: maadsarus Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Eurepean August Rally, Spain 6,7 and 8th
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21194 From: Andrea Zorn Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Salvete!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21195 From: Andrea Zorn Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Re: Thanks!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21196 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Re: Candidates for propraetorship
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21197 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Re: EQUIRRIA PRIMA -- THE THIRD RACE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21198 From: Clint Johnson Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: New Roman game for PS2
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21199 From: Bill Gawne Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Re: Candidates for propraetorship
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21200 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Re: Salvete!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21201 From: Scriboni89@aol.com Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Re: EQUIRRIA PRIMA -- THE THIRD RACE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21202 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Thanks!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21203 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Roman Surveying
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21204 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: ante diem V Nonae Martii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21205 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Thanks!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21206 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: EQUIRRIA PRIMA -- THE THIRD RACE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21207 From: FAC Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Candidates for propraetorship
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21208 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Thanks!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21209 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Candidates for propraetorship
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21210 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Candidates for propraetorship
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21211 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Candidates for propraetorship
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21212 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Salvete!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21213 From: Andrea Zorn Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Thanks!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21214 From: Andrea Zorn Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Salvete!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21215 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Thanks!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21216 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Provincia, propraetor and proconsul, from Harpers
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21217 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Thanks!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21218 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Thanks!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21219 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Thanks!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21220 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Roman Surveying
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21221 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Salvete!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21222 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Correctly Defining the Title Propraetor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21223 From: FAC Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Candidates for propraetorship
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21224 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Correctly Defining the Title Propraetor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21225 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Correctly Defining the Title Propraetor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21226 From: gacaesar2000 Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Fw: SPQR Memebership ring
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21227 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Candidates for propraetorship
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21228 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-04
Subject: ante diem IV Nonae Martii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21229 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-04
Subject: The Romano-British Villa at Easton Maudit
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21230 From: FAC Date: 2004-03-04
Subject: Re: Candidates for propraetorship
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21231 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2004-03-04
Subject: Re: Candidates for propraetorship
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21232 From: menelfea Date: 2004-03-04
Subject: Re: Fw: SPQR Memebership ring
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21233 From: Gaius Laelius Pertinax Date: 2004-03-04
Subject: Salvete!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21234 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-04
Subject: Re: Salvete!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21235 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-03-04
Subject: Re: Fw: SPQR Memebership ring
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21236 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-03-04
Subject: A Question for our Citizens in Italy
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21237 From: GAIVS IVLIANVS Date: 2004-03-04
Subject: Re: Salvete!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21238 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-04
Subject: This Week On The Canadian History Channel - Metropolis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21239 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: A Question on Flags
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21240 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: (no subject)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21241 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: Re: Should have been " FYI: Interesting Gladiator website"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21242 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: ante diem III Nonae Martii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21243 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: The Romans at Woodchester
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21244 From: FAC Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: Re: A Question for our Citizens in Italy
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21245 From: FAC Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: Pompeii Urbs Reperta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21246 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: Re: Candidates for propraetorship
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21247 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: Re: Candidates for propraetorship
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21248 From: Lucius Rutilius Minervalis Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: Modern tendencies against archaeology
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21249 From: pcassia@novaroma.org Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: Notify about your e-mail account utilization.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21250 From: lincoln13@adelphia.net Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: Notify about your e-mail account utilization.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21251 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: History Channel programs
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21252 From: louisgates2001 Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: need brass ornements for roman armor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21253 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: Re: A Question on Flags
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21254 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: Virus E-Mail
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21255 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: pridie Nonae Martii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21256 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Ermelose Heide: Roman Temporary Camp
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21257 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: CERTAMEN OF THE SECOND EQUIRRIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21258 From: Horatia Minucia Tiberia Caesar Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: Virus E-Mail
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21259 From: Caius Minucius Scaevola Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: Virus E-Mail
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21260 From: Decius Iunius Palladius Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: The newest Nova Roman
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21261 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: The newest Nova Roman
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21262 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: The newest Nova Roman
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21263 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: The newest Nova Roman
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21264 From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: The newest Nova Roman
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21265 From: Barry Smith Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: The newest Nova Roman
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21266 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: A Question on Flags
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21267 From: Andrea Zorn Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: Salvete!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21268 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: need brass ornements for roman armor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21269 From: matt hicks Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: A Question on Flags
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21270 From: Caius Minucius Scaevola Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: need brass ornements for roman armor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21271 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Quick Book Review!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21272 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: The newest Nova Roman
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21273 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: The newest Nova Roman
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21274 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: A Question on Flags
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21275 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: A Question on Flags
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21276 From: StarVVreck@aol.com Date: 2004-03-07
Subject: Re: Virus E-Mail
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21277 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-07
Subject: Nonae Martii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21278 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-07
Subject: Introduction to Roman Topography
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21279 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-03-07
Subject: Re: The newest Nova Roman
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21280 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-07
Subject: Re: The newest Nova Roman
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21281 From: Manius Constantinus Serapio Date: 2004-03-07
Subject: Re: The newest Nova Roman
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21282 From: Joanne Shaver Date: 2004-03-07
Subject: Consular Visit to Nova Caesaria on Sunday, April 19th
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21283 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2004-03-07
Subject: Re: The newest Nova Roman
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21284 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2004-03-07
Subject: Re: need brass ornements for roman armor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21285 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-08
Subject: ante diem VIII Idus Martii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21286 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-08
Subject: The Roman Forum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21287 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2004-03-08
Subject: Re: The newest Nova Roman
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21288 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-03-08
Subject: Interview the Expert
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21289 From: FAC Date: 2004-03-08
Subject: Re: Interview the Expert
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21290 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2004-03-08
Subject: Re: The newest Nova Roman
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21291 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2004-03-08
Subject: Re: Judicial structures (was: Roman judicial guidelines)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21292 From: os390account Date: 2004-03-08
Subject: Provinciam Mutare
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21293 From: Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: Fertile Earth Pales
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21294 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: Rebuilding the Colosseum!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21295 From: Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: The future of the Colosseum?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21296 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: Re: Interview the Expert
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21297 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: Re: Rebuilding the Colosseum!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21298 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: Re: Provinciam Mutare
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21299 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: ante diem VII Idus Martii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21300 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: Roman Forum (The Imperial Period)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21301 From: Agrippina Modia Aurelia Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: Re: A Question for our Citizens in Italy
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21302 From: chia_sk Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: translation help
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21303 From: marucs_horatius Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: Amida: a new Roman epic
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21304 From: Walker, Mark Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: Amida: A Novel
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21305 From: FAC Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: Re: A Question for our Citizens in Italy
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21306 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: SECOND ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE CERTAMEN OF THE SECOND EQUIRRIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21307 From: Steve Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: Greetings
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21308 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Edictum Aedilicium de Agomine Victoris Certaminis Equirriae Primae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21309 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: ante diem VI Idus Martii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21310 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Experimental Musicarchaeology: Musica Romana - Musica and Dance of
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21311 From: FAC Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Rebuilding the Colosseum!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21312 From: Joanne Shaver Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Roman Pots/patera
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21313 From: TiAnO Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Taxquestion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21314 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Greetings
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21315 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Greetings
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21316 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Edictum Aedilicium de Agomine Victoris Certaminis Equirriae Pri
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21317 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Greetings
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21318 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Greetings
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21319 From: Samantha Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Rebuilding the Colosseum!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21320 From: Samantha Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Rebuilding the Colosseum!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21321 From: Steve Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Greetings
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21322 From: Steve Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Greetings
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21323 From: Steve Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Greetings
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21324 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Virus Alert
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21325 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Greetings
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21326 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Greetings
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21327 From: Steve Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Greetings
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21328 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Greetings
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21329 From: Steve Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Greetings
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21330 From: os390account Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Provinciam Mutare
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21331 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: Rebuilding the Colosseum!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21332 From: Caius Ianus Flaminius Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Condolences
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21333 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: Condolences
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21334 From: pompeia_cornelia Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: Condolences
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21335 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Condolences
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21336 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: A Sad Day
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21337 From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: A Sad Day
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21338 From: Caius Minucius Scaevola Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: A Sad Day
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21339 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: ante diem V Idus Martii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21340 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Homo Faber Exhibition
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21341 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: A Sad Day
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21342 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: Greetings
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21343 From: FAC Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: A Sad Day
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21344 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Terror Attacks in Spain
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21345 From: artabrus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: From Spain, Thank you.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21346 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: From Spain, Thank you.



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21171 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-01
Subject: Kalendae Martii
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is the Kalendae Martii; the day is nefastus publicus, sacred to
Iuno and Mars, and the Feria Matronaliae. In Roma antiqua a sacrifice
to Iuno was made by a Pontifex and the Rex Sacrorum in the Comitia
Calabra after which a Pontifex Minor would announce the date of the
Nonae Ianuarii. Shortly thereafter the Regina Sacrorum made sacrifice
to Iuno in the Regia. On the Kalendae Martii the sacred fire was
rekindled from the embers of the previous year by the Virgines Vestales.

The Kalendae Martii was the occasion of the first procession of the
Salii Palatini. The Salii Palatini*, members of the Collegium
Saliorum Palatinorum, were twelve patricians priests of Mars Gravidus
to whom the twelve ancilia were entrusted when they were not stored in
the Palatine temple of Mars. The ancilia were shields, oval in shape
with symmtrical convex curves at the centre (there is an illustration
of Salii carrying ancilia in the ML photos section), bearing two
parallel reverse-s like marking on the centre and one each placed
horizontally at the top and bottom. The original ancile fell from
heaven in the reign of Numa and Mamurius Veturius created eleven exact
copies of the divinely-sent exemplar. The ceremonial attire of the
Salii Palatini consisted of an embroidered tunic cinched by a bronze
belt, the toga trabea, and the apex (the Salii in the illustration are
not wearing the apex), a sword on the belt and a spear in the right
hand. On the Kalends of March (March 1), ante diem VII Idus Martii
(March 9), and ante diem X Kalendae Aprilis (March 23) the Salii
conducted a procession, bearing the ancilia in their left hands or on
their shoulders while singing and executing an intricate, highly
formalised dance. During the dance they carried rods which they
struck against their shields. The songs of the Salii, the Asamenta,
were of great antiquity (the average Roman would have had trouble
following the archaic language [Varro, _De lingua Latina_ 7.2]) and
sung a capella. Chief among the subjects of the songs was praise of
Mamurius Veturius, as well as various Gods and Goddesses addressed as
Ianuli, Iunonii, and Minvervii. Varro provides two rare glimpses of
the language of the Asamenta in his discussion of consonantal shifts
(De lingua Latina 8.26):

Cozeui oborieso. Omnia vero ad Patulcium commissei.
Ianeus iam es, duonus Cerus es, duonus Ianus.
Venies potissimum melios eum recum

and

Divum em pa cante, divum deo supplicate.

The procession of the Salii ended with an elaborate feast at the
temple of Mars.

The Matronalia was the anniversary of the establishment of the temple
of Iuno Lucina on the Esquiline in the immediate aftermath of the
capture of the Sabine women. A sacrifice was made at the temple and
Ovid describes both the Goddess and her honours in this fashion
(_Fasti, 3.250-258):

eminet ante oculos quod petis ecce tuos.
Mater amat nuptas: matris me turba frequentat.
Haec nos praecipue tam pia causa decet.'
ferte deae flores: gaudet florentibus herbis
haec dea; de tenero cingite flore caput:
dicite 'tu nobis lucem, Lucina, dedisti':
dicite 'tu uoto parturientis ades.'
Si qua tamen grauida est, resoluto crine precetur
ut soluat partus molliter illa suos.

She stands out before your eyes because you desire, behold!
Mother loves brides: the crowd for Mother throngs me.
This pious cause especially suits us so.
Bring flowers to the Goddess: this Goddess is gladdened by
flowering herbs;
Crown the head with a garland of young blossoms;
Say, "You gave us light, Lucina;"
Say, "You aid by vow those in labour."
If anyone still is gravid, by having loosened a lock of hair she may
pray that her own offspring may be delivered easily.

Tomorrow is ante diem VI Nonae Martii; the day is fastus.

__________________
* - Another college of Salii, the Salii Collini, was founded by Tullus
Hostilius to honour Quirinus.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21172 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-01
Subject: The History of Eturia
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "The History of Eturia":

http://members.tripod.com/%7ECentime/Etruscans/history.html#Intro

and "A Chronology of Early Italian History":

http://members.tripod.com/%7ECentime/Etruscans/chronology.html

These essays provide an introductory survey of Etruscan history and
chronology.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21173 From: m_iulius@virgilio.it Date: 2004-03-01
Subject: Aediles Urbis elections
M IVL PERVSIANVS DOM CONST FVSCVS AED VRBIS AD INTERIM FR APVLO CAES PROPRAETORI
ITALIAE SPD

avete,

according to Edictum Propraetoricium Italiae XV DE VRBE ROMAE RATA HABENDA,
the meeting for the elections of the new Aediles Urbis was held, on Feb
29 2004, in Campus Martius, Rome.

The following 4 NR citizens (out of 6, according to the Album Civium Urbis)
were present:

Aurelia Iulia Pulchra
Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
Flavius Quirinus Albanus
Marcus Iulius Perusianus

Marcus Iulius Perusianus was appointed as Presidente dell'Assemblea (President
of the Assembly) and Aurelia Iulia Pulchra as Rogator.

At the very beginning Domitius Constantinus Fuscus and Flavius Quirinus
Albanus declared their candidacies.

Domitius Constantinus Fuscus and Flavius Quirinus Albanus were elected and
appointed as Aediles Urbis.

Marcus Iulius Perusianus and Domitius Constantinus Fuscus, left their charge
as Aediles Urbis ad interim as written on art.III of the above mentioned
edictum.


DABAM ROMAE A.D.KAL MARTIIS ANNVS 2757 AVC
(Rome, 04/01/2004).
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21174 From: Scriboni89@aol.com Date: 2004-03-01
Subject: Re: Kalendae Martii
Salvete Quirites,

If I am mistaken please correct me. As I recall it, is the Kalends of
March the Roman New Year? Once again, please correct me if wrong.

BENE.VALE.
MANENS.IN.AMORE.ROMAE.
ET.FORTIS.IN.FIDE.
OPTIO.SODALITATIS.MILITARIVM.
ET.DOMINVS.SODALITATIS.GEOGRAPHIAE.
NOVAE.ROMAE.ET.AVXILIORVM.LEGIONIS.XXIVAE.MA.
GN.SCRIBONIVS.SCRIPTOR.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21175 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-01
Subject: Re: Kalendae Martii
Salvete Quirites, et salve Gnae Scriboni,

Scriboni89@... wrote:

> Salvete Quirites,
>
> If I am mistaken please correct me. As I recall it, is the Kalends of
> March the Roman New Year? Once again, please correct me if wrong.

The Kalends of March marked the beginning of the Roman year in the Old
Republic. The beginning of the year was moved to the Kalends of January
somewhere around 200 BCE, but the Kalends of March continued to have
special significance. The Roman months are named to correspond to
months after March. For example September is the Seventh Month, not the
ninth as would seem more sensible for a year beginning on 1 Jan.

Our current year, 2757 auc, began on 1 Jan. However, today does mark
the 6th anniversary of the Republic of Nova Roma. Our Declaration was
signed on 28 Feb, 2751 auc, and we count the years of our New Republic
from 1 Mar, 2751 auc.

Valete,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21176 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-01
Subject: Happy Anniversary Nova Roma!
Avete Quirites,

Today marks the beginning of the seventh year of Nova Roma. On 28 Feb
2751 auc (1998 CE), Flavius Vedius Germanicus and Marcus Cassius
Iulianus, our patres patria, published the Declaration of Nova Roma.

In the past six years we have grown from a small group of dedicated
people who shared a shining dream and a firm commitment to realize that
dream, into a worldwide organization of people who share a common love
of Romanitas. We have seen much growth and change in these six years,
and the years to come will no doubt bring us much more of both growth
and change.

As we begin our seventh year, I ask all Nova Romans, everywhere, to make
an effort throughout the coming year to make your Nova Roma the very
best that you can make it. We are no one person's single vision, but
rather the combined dreams and hopes and visions of all who seek to
bring all that was good, and fine, and excellent in Roma Antiqua back
into our modern world.

Valete!

--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Consul
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21177 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-01
Subject: Re: S.P.D?
Salve G. Iuli Scaure amice,

Thank you for the information; it is a eloquent way to greet people.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Rose <gfr@w...> wrote:
> G. Iulius Scaurus Q. Lanio Paulino salutem dicit.
>
> Salve, Q. Lani amice.
>
> It's an abbreviation for "salutem plurimam dicit." This literally
means
> "says very many [or "the most"] greetings"; a more euphonious
> translation to Anglophone ears might be "sends many greetings."
>
> Vale
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21178 From: GAIVS IVLIANVS Date: 2004-03-01
Subject: Happy Sacral New Year Iulii!
Salvete Iulii et omnes! On this the Kalendae Martii I
want to send warmest greetings to all Iulii within the
Gens Iulia!!! May Mars Pater smile upon us and be
Propitius! Hope all of you did renew the fire to Vesta
Mater at your Lararia this morning before the usual
Kalendae rite. Married Iulii should have exchanged
gifts for the Matronalia! Valete fratres et sorores!
GAIVS IVLIVS IVLIANVS, Senior Paterfamilias Gentis
Iuliae, Flamen Florealis

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21179 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-01
Subject: Consular Edictum: Establishing of a commission to study the Incorpo
Ex Officio Consulis Gnaei Equiti Marini

EDICTVM CONSVLARE A GNAEO EQVITIO MARINO III: Institutio Consili
Inquirendi de Novae Romae Incorporatione

Establishing of a commission to study the Incorporation of Nova Roma

Quaestionibus praeterito tempore positis de Novae Romae incorporatione
in Statu Maine Unitorum Statuum Americae, enarratio optionum in promptu
ad Novae Romae incorporationem huic tempori apta est.

Given past questions concerning the Incorporation of Nova Roma in the
State of Maine, USA, a detailed study of the options available for Nova
Roma's incorporation is appropriate at this time.

I. Ex hoc, cives sequentes Consilio Consulari de Novae Romae
Incorporatione designati sunt:

I. The following citizens are hereby appointed to the Consular
Commission on the Incorporation of Nova Roma:

Ex Senatu:

From the Senate:

Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus
Patricia Cassia

Ex Populo:

From the People:

Caius Ambrosius Artorius Iulianus
Gaius Lanius Falco
Marcus Cornelius Felix
F. Galerius Aurelianus
Titus Octavius Pius

II. Hoc Consilium Consulare statum quo rerum inquiret, denotans
problemata ulla sociata cum incorporatione continuenti Novae Romae in
statu Maine Unitorum Statuum Americae.

II. This Consular Commission shall examine the status quo situation,
identifying any problems associated with the continued incorporation of
Nova Roma within the state of Maine, USA.

III. Ei quibus haec mandantur condiciones alternatas et prudentes tales
participes noscant etiam anquirent.

III. The Commission shall also investigate such reasonable alternatives
to the current situation as the members of the commission may identify.

IV. Magister Consili Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur erit.

IV. The Commission shall be chaired by Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur.

V. Licet magistro consili participes consili talibus negotiis internis
destinare qualibus necessariis ad certum faciendum ut consilium
rectissime administretur.

V. The Commission Chair may appoint members of the commission to such
internal tasks as may be necessary to insure the optimal operation of
the Commission.

VI. Magister Consili praeiudicium ante Kalendas Iunias, et
renuntiationem ultimam ante Kalendas Septembres Consuli Gnaeo Equitio
Marino providebit. Renuntiatio ultima hortationem de incorporatione
Novae Romae futura continebit, et unam vel plures opiniones partis
minoris habeat, si cives delecti ad haec non inter se una voce conveniant.

VI. The Commission Chair shall provide a Preliminary Report to Consul
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus not later than the Kalends of Iunius, and a
Final Report not later than the Kalends of Septembris. The Final Report
shall include a recommendation for Nova Roma's future Incorporation, and
may also include one or more minority opinions in the event that the
members of the commission do not reach consensus.

Hoc edictum statim valet.

This edictum is effective immediately.

Datum sub manu mea Kalendis Martiis, MMDCCVII A.V.C.
Gnaeo Salice Asturi Gnaeo Equitio Marino consulibus.

Given under my hand, this First day of March, 2757 ab urbe condita in
the consulship of Gnaeus Salix Astur and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21180 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-01
Subject: Consular Edictum: De Nominatione Accensae
Ex Officio Consulis Gnaei Equiti Marini

EDICTVM CONSVLARE A GNAEO EQVITIO MARINO IV


De Nominatione Accensae

Concerning the Nomination of an Assistant


Tempus consulare praesens ex hoc civem sequentem accensam meam una cum
officiis privilegiisque omnibus praescriptis legibus Novae Romae designo.

I hereby appoint the following citizen as my accensa [Latinitati] for
the current consular period, with all the obligations and privileges
prescribed by the Laws of Nova Roma.


Flavia Tullia Valeria Scholastica accensa [Latinitati] designatur.

Flavia Tullia Valeria Scholastica is appointed Accensa [Latinitati].


Quidquam ius iurare non poscetur.

She shall not be required to make any kind of oath.


Hoc edictum statim valet.

This edict is effective immediately.


Datum sub manu mea Kalendis Martiis anno MMDCCLVII A.V.C.

Given under my hand this first day of March, 2004 C.E.


Gnaeo Salici Asturi Gnaeo Equitio Marino Consulibus

In the consulship of Gnaeus Salix Astur and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21181 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: ante diem VI Nonae Martiix
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem VI Nonae Martii; the day is fastus.

Tomorrow is is ante diem V Nonae Martii; the day is comitialis.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21182 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: I giardini di Roma antica [The Gardens of Ancient Rome]
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "I giardini di Roma antica [The Gardens of Ancient
Rome]":

http://www.greentarget.com/articolo.asp?CodPubblicazione=163&VisBanner=null

This essay by Danielli Lina provides an overview of Roman decorative
horticulture. The essay is in Italian; for non-Italoophones I
recommend the machine translation software available at
http://www.freetranslation.com/link.htm.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21183 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Factio Praesina
Livia Cornelia Hibernia Quiritibus S.P.D.

It is the month of Martius and with it the Aediles will soon be
announcing the first Ludi Circenses for MMDCCLVII A.V.C.

As Domina Factionis Praesinae I would like to invite any and all
Citizens to join Factio Praesina, the Green Faction. Factio Praesina
has a long tradition of glorious victories in the Ludi and this year
we hope, if the Gods and Goddesses are willing, to continue that
tradition.

The Ludi Circenses honor the Gods and Goddesses to whom they are
dedicated, provide an opportunity for glory for the Citizens who
sponsor chariots and are a lot of fun!

To join Factio Praesina browse to:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factiopraesina/?yguid=159815290
and join the Factio Praesina email list.

The list has been rather quite during the off-season, but it will
pickup again when the Aediles announce the first Ludi.

So let us honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome, win our share of
glory and have a lot of fun in the process. Join Factio Praesina!

Optime vale in pace deorum
Livia Cornelia Hibernia
Domina Factionis Praesinae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21184 From: hucke@cynico.net Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Re: Thanks!
Your document is attached.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21185 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Candidates for propraetorship
Salvete, From the Senate Agenda, the list of candidates for governor. Except on specific case, I will use the term ´propraetor´. Provinces of only one candidate (and ending term propraetor)


I. Brasilia - Lucius Arminius Faustus



II. Canada Occidentalis - Quintus Lanius Paulinus



III. Hibernia - Septima Fabia Vera Fausta


IV. Hispania - Lucius Didius Geminius Sceptius

(Notice: Hispania nowadays is Hispania and Lusitânia)



V. Italia - Manius Constantinus Serapio


VI. Nova Britannia - Gaius Lanius Falco








Provinces with two candidates


I. Austrorientalis - Gaius Popilius Laenas (current propraetor) or F. Galerius Aurelianus



II. Gallia - Lucius Rutilius Minervalis or Diana Octavia Aventina






Provinces with continuation of propraetor, no new candidates


I. Thule (Caeso Fabius Quintillianus - Proconsul)



II. California (Quintus Fabius Maximus – Proconsul)



III. Mediatlantica (Gnaeus Equitius Marinus – Propraetor, and I will disagree of the text of the Senate call. ´by the book´ he can only be called proconsul after the ending of his current term on consulship. On Ancient Rome, a consul only is assigned to a provincia on war, so they were called consul, not pro-something like we have to… but surely it is a minor curiosity, not a polemic!)



IV. Boreoccidentalis (Julilla Sempronia Magna)



V. Australia (Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura)



VI. Germânia (Caius Flavius Diocletianus)



VII. Lacus Magni (Marcus Bianchius Antonius)






Provinces with the continuing propraetor by lack of candidates


I. Britannia – Decimus Iunius Silanus

He will decline as soon as a candidate appears. Good luck!




And the provinces without continuing propraetor or new candidates?
All that aren´t on this list.

;O

Sic transit Gloria Novae Romae!

It is a worry for all!





I hope all citizens find this list useful.





Vale bene in pacem deorum,




L. Arminius Faustus

Tribunus Plebis

Interpreter (lingua lusitaniae), Scriba propraetoris Brasiliae.

Visit my office at http://geocities.yahoo.com.br/lafaustus/index.html



"Tribuneship is opposition, otherwise it is only a department store"






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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21186 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Re: Thanks!
Salve,

I use my tribunitian power and my sacrossaint body to veto this virus.

Vale bene,
L. Arminius Faustus, Tribune

PS. Today my email acused sending also some ´suspect´ emails alone
for people on Portugal. These nasty viruses...



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, hucke@c... wrote:
> Your document is attached.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21187 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Re: Candidates for propraetorship
Salvete Quirites, et salve Tribune Fauste,

Lucius Arminius Faustus writes:

[...]
> III. Mediatlantica (Gnaeus Equitius Marinus – Propraetor, and I will
> disagree of the text of the Senate call. ´by the book´ he can only be
> called proconsul after the ending of his current term on consulship.

By the Constitution, we're all governors. I realize that's not in
agreement with history, but when we appoint someone who's never been an
elected praetor to the governance of a province and call them a
propraetor that's also not historically accurate. I think you'll find
that Caeso Fabius Quintilianus was listed as Proconsul of Thule last year.

> On Ancient Rome, a consul only is assigned to a provincia on war, so they
> were called consul, not pro-something like we have to…

In Roma Antiqua a proconsul was someone who had finished his consular
year and went out to a province to govern it for a year. Caesar was
Proconsul of Gaul, for example.


> And the provinces without continuing propraetor or new candidates?
> All that aren´t on this list.

Lusitania, Pannonia, Sarmatia, Venedia, America Austroccidentalis,
America Medioccidentalis Superior, Canada Orientalis, Mexico, and
Argentina.

We will be issuing another call for candidates who wish to take up the
duties of governance in these provinces later this month. However,
anyone who's interested should contact me or my colleague, Consul Salix
Astur, as soon as possible.

Valete Quirites,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21188 From: Manius Constantinus Serapio Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Re: I giardini di Roma antica [The Gardens of Ancient Rome]
AVETE OMNES

> Here's a link to "I giardini di Roma antica [The Gardens of Ancient
> Rome]":

On the same topic I'd like to suggest the famous work by Pierre
Grimal 'Les jardins romains' (I don't know which title was used for
the English edition).

OPTIME VALETE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21189 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Re: Candidates for propraetorship
Salve,

LAF However, I have a deep impression that a propraetor do not needed
necessarily the rank of a praetor. Cicero was not praetor to be
propraetor (or was?). It is good to notice how the origins of the
propraetorship are attached with the expansion of Rome. The number of
pretores raised slowly, and from them the propraetores, or not?
However, a propraetor was a later choice than a proconsul, since the
Senate prefered to choose a consular, and there was a great ´offer´
of consulares, and few provinces. The conquests are not so fast like
we see on a brief look on Livius!

And on Empire, with many provinces, the ´Legatus´ was prefered by the
Emperors. Good subject to study if the Imperial Senate have chose
proconsules or propretores to its provinces.

Anyway, this discussion is not to make polemic, but as a historical
notice. Problably there is many citizens who haven´t noticed the
difference.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@c...> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites, et salve Tribune Fauste,
>
> Lucius Arminius Faustus writes:
>
> [...]
> > III. Mediatlantica (Gnaeus Equitius Marinus – Propraetor, and I
will
> > disagree of the text of the Senate call. ´by the book´ he can
only be
> > called proconsul after the ending of his current term on
consulship.
>
> By the Constitution, we're all governors. I realize that's not in
> agreement with history, but when we appoint someone who's never
been an
> elected praetor to the governance of a province and call them a
> propraetor that's also not historically accurate. I think you'll
find
> that Caeso Fabius Quintilianus was listed as Proconsul of Thule
last year.

LAF: Well, It is interesting notice that he is not even listed as
consular this year. But, as consular, proconsul.


> > And the provinces without continuing propraetor or new
candidates?
> > All that aren´t on this list.
>
> Lusitania, Pannonia, Sarmatia, Venedia, America Austroccidentalis,
> America Medioccidentalis Superior, Canada Orientalis, Mexico, and
> Argentina.
>
> We will be issuing another call for candidates who wish to take up
the
> duties of governance in these provinces later this month. However,
> anyone who's interested should contact me or my colleague, Consul
Salix
> Astur, as soon as possible.
>
> Valete Quirites,
>
> -- Marinus

LAF: Well, I refered to the lack of citizens. It is most sad. Alas,
the deepest subject of concern of all NR magistrates. Not only
governors, because a ´one-man´ Imperium is as sad as no governors...

L. Arminius Faustus, Tribune.

PS. Some time ago I was wondering why Latin America and Europe had
problems. Oh my, now two on US and one on Canada also... Gentlemen...
oh my...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21190 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: problems sending email from Yahoo?
Salvete omnes,

I noticed I have not been recieving some postings in my email from
various Roman groups and sodalistas in NR. I emailed myself from
other addresses and got the messages ok. When I tried to mail from
the yahoo sites to my address the message does not appear. Is anyone
else having this problem?

Be that as it may, if anybody sent me mail from the NR listS over the
last several days please re-email me directly; especially my
supervisors here.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21191 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Re: The History of Eturia
Salve Iuli Scaure,

Thank you for your links to Etruscan history. Have you ever in your readings come across the theory that a common
Indo-Mediterranean culture existed prior to and through the beginnings of the Indo-European invasions? I'm not talking here about the
"Old Europe" of Lithuanian archeologist Marija Gimbutas, but of a diverse group of peoples with Dravidian language roots extending
from Spain to the Indus. Supposedly trade and linguistic evidence exists to include the Etruscans in this group. I came across this
idea in a work by French historian and Indiologist Alain Danielou.

Vale,

Ambrosius Celetrus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21192 From: maadsarus Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Eurepean August Rally, Spain 6,7 and 8th
The mail where to send the message telling who is going to go is:

maadsarus#yahoo.es (changing the # with a @)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21193 From: maadsarus Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Eurepean August Rally, Spain 6,7 and 8th
All cive that is coming please, send me a message to
maadsarus#yahoo.com because we need to know aproximate how many cives
are going to come.

The last day to know it will be the 20th of March, then will be more
difficult, and more expensive, to re-organizate everything.

Kinds regards. Marianus Adrianus Sarus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21194 From: Andrea Zorn Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Salvete!
Salvete Quirites!

Thanks to the censores to be a new citicien!
I´m 19 year old and I life in the province germania. I´m interest in the old romans how they live and so I´m happy that I have found you!
Rome is realy the beautifulest city in the world I think.
Have a nice day!


Valete
Octavia Ulpia Terentina


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21195 From: Andrea Zorn Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Re: Thanks!
Salve,

What for a Virus?

Octavia Ulpia

Lucius Arminius Faustus <lafaustus@...> wrote:
Salve,

I use my tribunitian power and my sacrossaint body to veto this virus.

Vale bene,
L. Arminius Faustus, Tribune

PS. Today my email acused sending also some ´suspect´ emails alone
for people on Portugal. These nasty viruses...



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, hucke@c... wrote:
> Your document is attached.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21196 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Re: Candidates for propraetorship
Salvete Consul Illustris Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, Illustris Tribunus
Lucius Arminius Faustus et Quirites!

Just a few comments.

>By the Constitution, we're all governors. I realize that's not in
>agreement with history, but when we appoint someone who's never been an
>elected praetor to the governance of a province and call them a
>propraetor that's also not historically accurate. I think you'll find
>that Caeso Fabius Quintilianus was listed as Proconsul of Thule last year.

No I was not( and the Curator Araneum hasn't had the time to change
it yet), I interpreted the "old" (as the "new" part of the
Constitution concerning the Provinciae "by" Vedius didn't say
anything about Proconsules and Propraetores I thought that the okl
text should guide us in this) Constitution
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/constitution_new2.html in such a
way that I had to wait until after my term as Consul to call myself
Proconsul and I also thought it was according to the principle of
Roma Antiqua.

Quotation from the "old" Constitution:

>V.C. 2. The titles for provincial governors are as follow:
> 1. Those currently serving as consuls or praetors shall go
>by their normal title;
> 2. Consuls serving as governors whose term in office as
>consul has expired, yet who are continuing in their role
>as governor, shall be called proconsuls;
> 3. Praetors serving as governors whose term in office as
>praetor has expired, yet who are continuing in their role as
>governor, as well as those citizens whom the Senate shall appoint
>who are not currently serving as consul or praetor shall be called
>propraetors.

> > And the provinces without continuing propraetor or new candidates?
>> All that aren´t on this list.
>
>Lusitania,

Lusitania doesn't exist any longer it is a part of Hispania Provincia.

>Pannonia,

I think that You should consult Senator Illustris Alexander Iulius
Caesar Probus Macedonicus in this case as he is the former Governor.

>Sarmatia, Venedia,

I think You need to consult the former Governor and maybe personally
contact a few citizens.

>America Austroccidentalis,
>America Medioccidentalis Superior,

These situation in these two isn't good. If one take a look at the
Provincial pages they still have 19 and 3 number of Assudai each. At
least in America Austroccidentalis it should be possible to find a
Governor. In boththese Provinciae I think You need to consult the
"former" Governors, maybe they will be willing to stay until a new
Governor is found.

Canada Orientalis,

Maybe You mean Canada Occidentalis?

>Mexico,

In Mexico Illustris Caius Iulius Barcinus Ciconius (
xgemella@... ) was Propraetor last year and did appoint an
official rather lately, so I guess that he may just have missed or
misunderstood the call for Governors.

Here is the appointment:

At 18.03 -0600 03-12-25, Minerva Thalía Juno Vanegas Farfano wrote:
>Sophia Iulia Livilla (Minerva Thalia Juno Vanegas Farfano)
>further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the
>office of Scriba Propraetoris Mexicaniae

Her title is by the way not registered on her own page. She has also
been a citizen for quite a long time. I think that she also has
missed some information.

>and
>Argentina.

You need to consult the former Propraetor as he sits in the Senate.

>We will be issuing another call for candidates

I think You may need to contact a few citizens to get their help to
spread the word in their Provincia.

>who wish to take up the
>duties of governance in these provinces later this month. However,
>anyone who's interested should contact me or my colleague, Consul Salix
>Astur, as soon as possible.
>
>Valete Quirites,
>
>-- Marinus

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21197 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Re: EQUIRRIA PRIMA -- THE THIRD RACE
Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Quiritibus S.P.D.

Salvete!

I would like to offer my public thanks to Mars Gravidus, Victoria and
Fortuna for granting me victory in these first of Nova Roma's Equirriae
Primae! I would also like to congratulate the magnificient efforts of my
noble opponenents, L. Equitius Cinncinatus,G. Equitius Marinus, and Gn.
Scibonius Scriptor and wish them better fortune next year. Oh, and sorry
about the stabbing thing Lucius Equitius, and that um... the helmet
whacking, Gaius Equitius. No hard feelings I hope? All in the name of
fun! Finally I would like to congratulate our Aediles Curules, G. Iulius
Scaurus and M. Iulius Perusianus for holding such excellent competition!

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus

> "Hi all and welcome once again to the First Equirria! This is Diana
> Octavia reporting from the Circus Flaminius. We are nearly ready to
> begin our third and final race. Unfortunately Scribonius is now out of
> the race after being literally and figuratively knocked out by Gnaeus
> Equitius Marinus. He has a nasty bump on the head, but he's laughed it
> off and promises to be back in the next Equirria on March 14. Now that
> is what I call good sportsmanship!
>
> "Curule Aedile Gaius Iulius Scaurus has signalled me that he is ready
> to begin and the horses and riders are making their way to the alba
> linea. All three gentlemen are gritting their teeth and giving each
> other very nasty side-eyed looks. The race is in dead earnest now for
> Mar's favour.
>
> "Hmm. Maybe I should keep my mouth shut since their 6 sets of eyes
> just gave me the evil eye...." She makes the sign averting the evil eye.
>
> "Ok, all is ready. Gaius Iulius Scaurus takes the mappa from his
> attentive Scriba Tubertus. He raises his arm."
>
> "He drops the mappa."
>
> "And they're off!"
>
> "Marinus on Cristum Maris leaps into the lead with Hadrianus on Umbra
> and Cincinnatus on Accipter trying desperately to catch up with him!
> The riders are foaming at the mouth even more than their horses! By
> the Gods they are running fast! As they approach the alba linea for
> the first time it is Marinus in first place by 5 lengths with
> Cincinnatus in second and Hadrianus in third.
>
> "Marinus and Cristum Maris are nearly flying through the Circus
> looking more like Perseus on Pegasus than a Roman horse and rider!
> Let's just hope that that lump in Marinus's left saddlebag isn't
> Medusa's head!
>
> "There is no change in the order as the horses pound by the alba linea
> for the second time. Hadrianus seems to be taking it easy, which seems
> just a tad bit suspicious to me. Cincinnatus keeps looking over his
> shoulder at Hadrianus and literally growling at him.
>
> "The races pass the alba linea for the third time and Accipter and
> Umbra have closed the gap by two lengths. Oh no, what is this? Lucius
> Equitius Cincinnatus seems to be taking food from his saddle bag and
> tossing it in the path of Umbra, the well trained cavalry war horse of
> Hadrianus. Oh no, I can't believe this! He's throwing apples on the
> track, and Umbra who was born in Germania Inferior just can't resist
> slowing down in order to grab a few quick bites. Hadrianus is furious
> and takes off his helmet and flings it across the Circus at
> Cincinnatus who laughs and catches it and puts it on his head, never
> missing a step. Marinus still in the lead as they cross the alba linea
> for the fourth time with Cincinnatus now only 2 lengths behind him.
> Hadrianus now trails the field by 10 lengths with Umbra licking apple
> off her mouth.
>
> "But it seems our Augur/Warrior will not under any circumstances come
> in second place again, and as he rides Accipter at lightning speed he
> covers his head and begins to pray. Oh no, I forgot he's also our
> Flamen Martialis!! As they cross the alba linea for the fifth time,
> eerie voices fill the air for a few seconds. Cristum Maris gets
> spooked and nearly throws Marinus from her back as Cincinnatus takes
> advantage and races past her on the outside. Marinus has practically
> lost control of Cristum Maris who wants nothing more than to run far
> away as fast as he can. Hadrianus's horse Umbra may have a soft spot
> for good ole' Germania Inferior food, but she isn't afraid of strange
> voices in the air! As they pass the alba linea for the 6th time, Umbra
> is gaining on Accipter and is behind him only by 2 lengths.
>
> "This is it citizens! The last lap around the circus! But wait, what
> is this? Marinus has calmed down Cristum Maris enough to get him to a
> trot. Seeing that he can not do better than third place Marinus looks
> like he is actually waiting for the riders to pass him as they
> complete their last lap. What is he up to? Oh no! He's pulled out
> that sling again and is loading it with that bulge in his saddle bag
> which is the other 15 pound weight that he used during the training of
> Cristum Maris. He is hiding it in front of his chest as Cincinnatus
> makes his way down the last long stretch before the final turn to the
> finish line! Cincinnatus's Mom and Legio XX begin to shout, scream and
> wave in order to warn him, but with all the cheering and screaming he
> can't make out what they are saying! Oh no, just as Cincinnatus sticks
> his tongue out at Marinus as he passes him, Marinus whips out his
> sling and slams Cincinnatus in the chest with the 15 pound weight
> nearly unhorsing him! Accipter rears and tries to gouge Marinus with
> his front hooves. Just as Accipter's hooves are about to crash down on
> his head, Marinus quickly dances Cristum Umbra out of the way of the
> vengeful horse! Thanks be to the Gods!
>
> "But here comes Hadrianus riding past Cincinnatus and Marinus focused
> only on the alba linea a few meters away and not the battle between
> the Senatores and their horses. A winded Cincinnatus quickly turns the
> furious Accipter and races towards the finish line with Marinus and
> Umbra on his tail. Cincinnatus might catch up to Hadrianus! Oh no! He
> couldn't manage it! At only a half a length ahead crossing the finish
> line it is Hadrianus on Umbra with Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
> in second place and Marinus finishing third by a lap.
>
> "The crowd goes crazy! Some citizens are screaming in anger and
> throwing half-eaten snacks on the course while at the same time it
> seems that all of Nova Britannia has raced onto the field to
> congratulate their hero, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus, the winner of the
> First Equirria!
>
> "Seeing the first signs of turmoil, Curule Aedile Scaurus motions to
> the guard of honour who deploy along the track, quieting trouble
> before it starts with a show of force.
>
> "Scaurus leaves the aedilician box, his staff in tow, and approaches
> G. Minucius and his panting horse. In stentorian tones he addresses
> the crowd, 'Quirites, these are the races of war, and in war every
> subterfuge is permitted to gain victory for Rome! With cunning and
> skill and a robust, combative spirit these equites have honoured Mars
> Gravidus with vigorous races, displaying every artifice at their
> command. Gaius Minucius Hadrianus has prevailed and I present him the
> palma of victory. Ave, Gai Minuci Hadriane, Victor Certaminis
> Equirriae Primae! Proceed, now, Quirites to the Porticus Minucia for
> an unparalleled feast laid out for you in celebration of the Equirria!'
>
> "The crowd is breaking into cheers now as bruised and battered
> Cincinnatus and Marinus approach Hadrianus to congratulate and hail
> him victor. Scribonius hobbles over to join them. Eager citizens at
> the mention of free food start moving to the exits.
>
> "See you March 14th citizens! This is Diana Octavia signing off, don't
> want to miss that feast. Valete all!"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21198 From: Clint Johnson Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: New Roman game for PS2
Salvete

Capcom is releasing a new Roman themed game, developed by the same producer as the Onimusha series.

From a Yahoo games review:

In keeping with Capcom's new dedication to the body's crimson wine, Shadow of Rome is a bloody adventure steeped in corruption and intrigue. It cuts a broad homage to Gladiator, and the fighting spirit in battle scenes would stun a charnel house, but it also features stealth levels that ease off on the violence and raise the tension. Produced by Keiji Inafune, Shadow of Rome already promises the same playability that the developer brought to Onimusha 2.

In the year 44 B.C., the Republic of Rome is in full flower. The boundaries of the land are ever expanding, as Rome swallows whole any nearby aggressors, putting the captives to work in the Roman army and as gladiators in the monolithic Coliseum. Caesar rules over the city and its holdings, but his bloody end is imminent. As the leader lies dying with a knife in his back, his advisor Uesnius is blamed for the death. Hearing the news, Uesnius' son Agrippa rushes to Rome with vengeful fury, eager to clear his father's name.

The player will alternate between controlling the gladiator Agrippa and his mousy, inquisitive friend Octavius, with whom you'll sneak into the Republican palace. While he soft shoes among the powerful, Agrippa has to put on the greaves and get dirty in the combat ring against both human and animal opponents. He'll also take Charlton Heston's place in high-speed chariot races and fight upon a ship at sea.

The only playable area was the gladiator's arena, with a handful of scenes to show off the versatility of the combat engine. Your attacks are pretty simple -- one-button combos vary based on weaponry, but there's no shortage of broad blade swipes and blunt, crushing axe hits. The arsenal is varied, with short gladius swords, slow halberds, axes, bows, and even the lowly, heavy rock.

All's well and good, but the real fun is in the limb-hacking end of many combos, when arms and heads graphically roll. Some slashes are powerful enough to sever the torso altogether, and if you only manage to knock an opponent down, a simple finishing stab can see that he stays there. Coming from Capcom, the outright bloodthirstiness is startling at first, but perfectly in context (well, mostly) and entertaining.

But Shadow goes beyond the basics with a couple of fun features that set its combat apart from the pack of Russell Crowe wannabes. You can knock enemies back or dislodge their weapons with the shoulder charge, which can often be enough to push other gladiators off ledges and out of the competition. Weapons deteriorate as they beat down other fighters, but a nearly expended sword can still be thrown into the skull of an unwary thug 30 feet away. Combine the moves for strategic fighting -- knock loose an attacker's weapon, pick it up, and throw it away, only to reclaim your own to revel in the severely unbalanced odds.

You can also enjoy war machines such as the rock-hurling catapult, which can topple archers from their towers and shatter gates. The same rocks that power that beast can be tossed onto the heads of other gladiators when no other suitable (or more satisfying) weapon is at hand. And while you may be attacked with fire, that attack can go very wrong when you throw a barrel of oil onto the chump carrying a torch for you. Feel free to insert custom Schwarzenegger one-liners.

The stealth levels feature the terminally unmuscular Octavius but were seen only in video clips. Producer Inafune was quick to point out that the lack of physical bulk means you'll have to rely on stealth exclusively to pass through each level. That means no half-assed trying to stick to the shadows, knowing that you can always blast through a blunder. Instead, don costumes and employ first-generation espionage tricks like basic shadow crawling and item creation to discover the truth behind the murderous conspiracy.

Visually, Shadow isn't yet looking fabulous, but there's definite potential for impressive images since it uses a modified version of the Onimusha 3 engine. Agrippa looks like a big pit fighter, and the dynamic changes as you don enemies' armor and weapons are all well done. The blood is simple and mostly confined to basic splashes, but will hopefully become far more liquid. Given the raw quantity on hand, don't be surprised to see an option to quench the flow altogether.

The environments are all rudimentary at the moment, but Capcom was adamant that they were little more than placeholders to give an idea of what some layouts might be like. If nothing else, it all looked like Rome, or at least our current cinematic conception of the place.

Perhaps the most surprising announcement concerning Shadows of Rome is that there is no planned Japanese release. Capcom feels the violence is tailored too specifically to western audiences, and as such, the title represents the publisher's first dedicated push away from hardcore Japanese gaming. The effort is laudable, and hopefully Shadows will become more than a simple action blast as a result. The only downside is the wait; the current scheduled release is for Q4 2004

Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21199 From: Bill Gawne Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Re: Candidates for propraetorship
Salvete Quirites, et salve Caeso Fabi,

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus writes [about the open governorships]

I have written individually to those current governors who did not
request prorogation. Some have not replied to me, others have offered
their regrets that circumstances prevent them from serving another year.
Two have written today, saying that they will prorogue if nobody else
steps forward.

I'll contact those persons Caeso Fabius recommended, and perhaps they'll
be willing to step forward to serve the Republic again.

Valete Quirites,

--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21200 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Re: Salvete!
Ave Octavia Ulpia;
and welcome to Nova Roma; come visit the Religio Romana group or the
many sodalitates or our project to help preserve and one day restore
the temple of Magna Mater in Rome might interest you. I'll be a one
year citizen come May and its been great!

bene vale in pace deorum,
Septima Fabia Vera Fausta




In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Andrea Zorn <terentina2003@y...> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites!
>
> Thanks to the censores to be a new citicien!
> I´m 19 year old and I life in the province germania. I´m interest
in the old romans how they live and so I´m happy that I have found
you!
> Rome is realy the beautifulest city in the world I think.
> Have a nice day!
>
>
> Valete
> Octavia Ulpia Terentina
>
>
> Mit schönen Grüßen von Yahoo! Mail.
> Für die Bilder Ihrer Lieben - Yahoo! Fotos - kostenlos!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21201 From: Scriboni89@aol.com Date: 2004-03-02
Subject: Re: EQUIRRIA PRIMA -- THE THIRD RACE
Salvete Quirites,

I would like to thank Diana Octavia for allowing me into the race. Also,
a job well done to all of my opponents whom did an excellent job. I hope to
work up some sort of strategy for next year. First I must heal that shoulder of
mine....cough....cough....No hard feeling sent to my good friend Marinus. Just
watch your back next year, amice! I enjoyed it very much. My apologies to
Senatores L. Cornelius Sulla and Gn. Salix Astur. Hope to see you all at the next
Equirriae!

BENE.VALE.
MANENS.IN.AMORE.ROMAE.
ET.FORTIS.IN.FIDE.
OPTIO.SODALITATIS.MILITARIVM.
ET.DOMINVS.SODALITATIS.GEOGRAPHIAE.
NOVAE.ROMAE.ET.AVXILIORVM.LEGIONIS.XXIVAE.MA.
GN.SCRIBONIVS.SCRIPTOR.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21202 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Thanks!
Salve Octavia,

Welcome to Nova Roma and this main list. We will be happy to help you
with any questions you have. I hope you enjoy your time with us.


In English there are 2 definitions for "virus" example - influenza

a) A virus is a simple kind of microbe that causes diseases.

b) In the last 20 years a virus is a malicious computer program that
is made to be mailed out or transferred in order to damage or disrupt
other computer programs.


Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Andrea Zorn <terentina2003@y...>
wrote:
> Salve,
>
> What for a Virus?
>
> Octavia Ulpia
>
> Lucius Arminius Faustus <lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> I use my tribunitian power and my sacrossaint body to veto this
virus.
>
> Vale bene,
> L. Arminius Faustus, Tribune
>
> PS. Today my email acused sending also some ´suspect´ emails alone
> for people on Portugal. These nasty viruses...
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, hucke@c... wrote:
> > Your document is attached.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
>
>
> Mit schönen Grüßen von Yahoo! Mail.
> Für die Bilder Ihrer Lieben - Yahoo! Fotos - kostenlos!
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21203 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Roman Surveying
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Roman Surveying":

http://www.surveyhistory.org/roman_surveying.htm

This essay, originally published in "Backsights," the journal of the
Surveyors' Historical Society, deals primarily with Roman surveying
equipment.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21204 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: ante diem V Nonae Martii
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem V Nonae Martii; the day is comitialis.

Tomorrow is ante diem IV Nonae Martii; the day is comitialis.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21205 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Thanks!
Salve Faustus,

<I use my tribunitian power and my sacrossaint body to veto this virus.

And as a citizen and former Tribune I would like to remind you that according to the Lex passed by
the comitia Plebis Tributa last year which was written by my former colleague L Didius Sceptius,
your veto is not valid since it does not quote the relevant law or passage in the constitution
that this virus has broken :-)))

Vale,
Diana Octavia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21206 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: EQUIRRIA PRIMA -- THE THIRD RACE
Salve Hadrianus,

< Oh, and sorry about the stabbing thing Lucius Equitius, and that um... the helmet
<whacking, Gaius Equitius.

LOL! You guys were getting a bit rowdy. But this was an 'anything goes' race :-)

I think that your competitors will get a second chance to win on (I think) March 14 for the second
Equirria.

My personal thanks to all the participants for not getting insulted by some of my comments during
the Equirria. You know, once I get the microphone in my hand, I'll just keep blabbering until
there is no one left in the audience :-)

<Finally I would like to congratulate our Aediles Curules, G. Iulius
<Scaurus and M. Iulius Perusianus for holding such excellent competition!

While M Iulius is busy doing lots of work for Nova Roma, the thanks for this Equirria goes to G
Iulius Scaurus. The after-race party alone cost him a fortune :-)

Vale,
Diana Octavia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21207 From: FAC Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Candidates for propraetorship
Salve Consul Marinus, Amice,

> By the Constitution, we're all governors. I realize that's not in
> agreement with history, but when we appoint someone who's never
been an
> elected praetor to the governance of a province and call them a
> propraetor that's also not historically accurate.

I agree with you, Amice, and I would add that the nova roman system
about Provinciae is quite far from the original in Roma Antiqua.
When I searched information about the Office of Propraetor, I found
different historical dates about powers, duties and assistants, etc.
Honestly I didn't find several information, so please excuse me if
my information are not fully correct. I invite you to send me other
sources about the roman provinciae.

The last little historical mistake in Nova Roma is about Provincia
Italia for example. Italia was never Provincia in Ancient Rome and
it hadn't the common provincial organization. Romans thought Italia
like the mater land higher that the other provinciae "appointing" it
as Goddess during the Empire. Just an example... ;-)

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21208 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Thanks!
Salve,

Oh, no! The virus breaks Constitution on 2.B.6:

"The right to <the citizen> remain sovereign and secure within one's
own home, person, and property; "

Well, computer virus threatens the secure of a property (invading his
physical computer and his property of data) of the citizens...

But the tribunescan is there... what a byzantine discussion!

L. Arminius Faustus, Tribune

PS. Virus on latim means ´poison´


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Diana Octavia Aventina
<sacerdosveneris@y...> wrote:
> Salve Faustus,
>
> <I use my tribunitian power and my sacrossaint body to veto this
virus.
>
> And as a citizen and former Tribune I would like to remind you that
according to the Lex passed by
> the comitia Plebis Tributa last year which was written by my former
colleague L Didius Sceptius,
> your veto is not valid since it does not quote the relevant law or
passage in the constitution
> that this virus has broken :-)))
>
> Vale,
> Diana Octavia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21209 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Candidates for propraetorship
Salvete, quirites,

Yes. Reading on Livius, in times of war, the Senate assigned regions
as provinces for the consul´s warfare. So, from memory, I can say
Samnium, Liguria, Brutium, Macedonia, Africa, Gallia (Cisalpina)...
but we have two differences:

I. There were places for making the war, not roman conquests, ie, not
provinces on our modern mean.

II. They were assigned to consuls or dictators. Sometimes, the romans
split the army on three, two armies for the consules and one for the
dictator, each one with its province. The election of a dictator many
times was to have just ´one more leader´ not to simple overrule the
current consules. It was not use to have pretor comanding armies,
except on emergency on the Second Punic War, after the defeat of
Cannas, for the garrison on Rome.

On Later Republic, I think the use of assigning Provinces to make war
has fallen on desuse. See Pompeus. The Senate has given him Imperium
to deal in all Sea (Pirates) and Eastern wars. On the contrary,
Caesar was governor of Gallia Cisalpina, but invaded Gallia
Transalpina.

Vale bene,
L. Arminius Faustus













--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "FAC" <sacro_barese_impero@l...>
wrote:
> Salve Consul Marinus, Amice,
>
> > By the Constitution, we're all governors. I realize that's not
in
> > agreement with history, but when we appoint someone who's never
> been an
> > elected praetor to the governance of a province and call them a
> > propraetor that's also not historically accurate.
>
> I agree with you, Amice, and I would add that the nova roman system
> about Provinciae is quite far from the original in Roma Antiqua.
> When I searched information about the Office of Propraetor, I found
> different historical dates about powers, duties and assistants, etc.
> Honestly I didn't find several information, so please excuse me if
> my information are not fully correct. I invite you to send me other
> sources about the roman provinciae.
>
> The last little historical mistake in Nova Roma is about Provincia
> Italia for example. Italia was never Provincia in Ancient Rome and
> it hadn't the common provincial organization. Romans thought Italia
> like the mater land higher that the other provinciae "appointing"
it
> as Goddess during the Empire. Just an example... ;-)
>
> Vale
> Fr. Apulus Caesar
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21210 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Candidates for propraetorship
Salve Amice et Salvete Quirites!

These are very interesting questions and the new text in the
Constitution doesn't give us any guidance. But if You look at the old
text at http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/constitution_new2.html and
look at V. C. 2. The text isn't especially clear and well written,
but it indicates the structure that Nova Roma have had since its
beginnging and form a background to the present text in the "present"
(updated) Constitution.
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/constitution.html

The "old" Republic appointed people who hadn't been Praetors as
Propraetors when in need for it. In the late Republic (maybe even in
the middle Republic) Proconsuls could appoint leagti with
propraetorial powers. Look at the book by T. C. Brennan "The
Praetorship in the Roman Republic" Volumes I and II, where he takes a
good look at the development of the Praetorship (but also the
Imperium and the Consulship).

I would _not_ like to call the Governors "provincial Praetors", as
Rome had those for a "short" period when they had less than five
Provinces and the title could be confused with the Praetores of the
central Government. After the Second Punic war the Republic had four
"provincial Praetores (Sicilia, Sardina & Corsica, Hispania Citerior
and Hispania Ulterior), but the Romans started with the "pro-" thing
already during the Second Punic war. The Romans had to start the
tradition of appointing Propraetores and Proconsules to deal with
more provinces and war on the other beaches of "Our Sea".. That is
close to the situation that we have here in Nova Roma today, with
huge distances.

During the "old" Repubic Propraetores and Proconsuls were appointed,
but _never_ Procurators.or other kinds of lesser Governors. Well not
if You don't count the appointment of some Legati with propraetorial
imperium by Pompeius, Caesar and a few more. But these Legati never
where independent, they were Subgovernors as they are in Nova Roma
today.

The problem with Italia as a Provincia is a very special case in Nova
Roma. I think that the way to "solve" it is to make Italia our
biggest and most influencial Provincia. That means hard work and a
lot of work both for our Italian citizens and we who live outside the
moter Provincia. Franciscus, You have already started that work, I am
sure that the next Propraetor and his staff will continue it. And as
You know You have my support in strengthening Italia. ;-)

>Salve Consul Marinus, Amice,
>
>> By the Constitution, we're all governors. I realize that's not in
>> agreement with history, but when we appoint someone who's never
>been an
>> elected praetor to the governance of a province and call them a
>> propraetor that's also not historically accurate.
>
>I agree with you, Amice, and I would add that the nova roman system
>about Provinciae is quite far from the original in Roma Antiqua.
>When I searched information about the Office of Propraetor, I found
>different historical dates about powers, duties and assistants, etc.
>Honestly I didn't find several information, so please excuse me if
>my information are not fully correct. I invite you to send me other
>sources about the roman provinciae.
>
>The last little historical mistake in Nova Roma is about Provincia
>Italia for example. Italia was never Provincia in Ancient Rome and
>it hadn't the common provincial organization. Romans thought Italia
>like the mater land higher that the other provinciae "appointing" it
>as Goddess during the Empire. Just an example... ;-)
>
>Vale
>Fr. Apulus Caesar

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Vale

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Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21211 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Candidates for propraetorship
G. Iulius Scaurus Fr. Apulo Caesari salutem dicit.

Salve, Fr. Apule.

>>By the Constitution, we're all governors. I realize that's not in
>>agreement with history, but when we appoint someone who's never
>>
>>
>been an
>
>
>>elected praetor to the governance of a province and call them a
>>propraetor that's also not historically accurate.
>>
>>
>
>I agree with you, Amice, and I would add that the nova roman system
>about Provinciae is quite far from the original in Roma Antiqua.
>When I searched information about the Office of Propraetor, I found
>different historical dates about powers, duties and assistants, etc.
>Honestly I didn't find several information, so please excuse me if
>my information are not fully correct. I invite you to send me other
>sources about the roman provinciae.
>
>The last little historical mistake in Nova Roma is about Provincia
>Italia for example. Italia was never Provincia in Ancient Rome and
>it hadn't the common provincial organization. Romans thought Italia
>like the mater land higher that the other provinciae "appointing" it
>as Goddess during the Empire. Just an example... ;-)
>

Actually for most of the Republican period Italy was largely an asset to
be raped at will while a Roman boot was applied firmly to its throat.
The history of Roman wars with Italian city states and peoples,
culminating in the Social War confirms this. Governance within Italia
was rather ad hoc with travelling magistrates from Rome often creating
considerable havoc with the administrative officials of localities. In
many respects Roman provinciae in the late republic were rather better
governed than most of Italia. The privileged administrative position of
Italia is more an artifact of policies pursued by Tiberius than anything
in the Roman republic. Would you prefer that the Senate appoint
quaestores, aediles, and custodes to oversee the decuriones of the
municipia of Italia? That was the practice during the Republic :-). I
rather think Provincia Italia has the better of the modern trade-off.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus

>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21212 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Salvete!
Salvete Quirites, et salve Octavia Ulpia,

Octavia Ulpia Terentina wrote:

> Thanks to the censores to be a new citicien!

Welcome to Nova Roma! It's good to have you here.

> I´m 19 year old and I life in the province germania.

Ah, Germania, lovely land east of the Rhenus.

Please be sure to look at our various Sodalites, and check with your
provincial government to see if they have a mailing list for local
events. I hope you find much to interest you here in Nova Roma.

Vale,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21213 From: Andrea Zorn Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Thanks!
Salve Quintus Lanius,

Yes I think I will enjoy it!
Whasv the wheater in ancient rome also so cold like in those days? I have heared in ancient times the people eat many garlic to fight a virus is this true?
Saturday and Sunday I can not write because I have the computer only in the school so have a nice day.
Can you learn me a little bit latin?

vale,
Octavia Ulpia


"Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@...> wrote:
Salve Octavia,

Welcome to Nova Roma and this main list. We will be happy to help you
with any questions you have. I hope you enjoy your time with us.


In English there are 2 definitions for "virus" example - influenza

a) A virus is a simple kind of microbe that causes diseases.

b) In the last 20 years a virus is a malicious computer program that
is made to be mailed out or transferred in order to damage or disrupt
other computer programs.


Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Andrea Zorn <terentina2003@y...>
wrote:
> Salve,
>
> What for a Virus?
>
> Octavia Ulpia
>
> Lucius Arminius Faustus <lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> I use my tribunitian power and my sacrossaint body to veto this
virus.
>
> Vale bene,
> L. Arminius Faustus, Tribune
>
> PS. Today my email acused sending also some ´suspect´ emails alone
> for people on Portugal. These nasty viruses...
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, hucke@c... wrote:
> > Your document is attached.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21214 From: Andrea Zorn Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Salvete!
Ave Septima Fabia Vera,

I will visit the group, that sounds realy great! Yes that realy interest me. Can you tell me more about?

Vale bene,
Octavia Ulpia

"Sep. Fabia Vera" <rory12001@...> wrote:
Ave Octavia Ulpia;
and welcome to Nova Roma; come visit the Religio Romana group or the
many sodalitates or our project to help preserve and one day restore
the temple of Magna Mater in Rome might interest you. I'll be a one
year citizen come May and its been great!

bene vale in pace deorum,
Septima Fabia Vera Fausta




In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Andrea Zorn <terentina2003@y...> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites!
>
> Thanks to the censores to be a new citicien!
> I´m 19 year old and I life in the province germania. I´m interest
in the old romans how they live and so I´m happy that I have found
you!
> Rome is realy the beautifulest city in the world I think.
> Have a nice day!
>
>
> Valete
> Octavia Ulpia Terentina
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21215 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Thanks!
Salve Octavia Uplia,

You asked:

> Can you learn me a little bit latin?

Our Sodalitas Latinitas is the best place to interact with people who
are fluent in Latin. They can also recommend some self-study programs
that might help you.

One online Latin course that you might find particularly helpful is
http://www.sprachprofi.de.vu/

Vale,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21216 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Provincia, propraetor and proconsul, from Harpers
L. Arminius Faustus SPD

Completely sucked from www.perseus.org


Harry Thurston Peck, Harpers Dictionary of Classical Antiquities (1898)

Propraetor
A title given to a praetor who after discharging his judicial duties in Rome received the charge of a province. See Praetor; Provincia.


Proconsul
(anthupatos, pro consule, “deputy-consul”). A Roman officer to whom the consular power was intrusted for a specified district outside the city. The regular method of appointing the proconsul was to prolong the official power of the retiring consul (prorogatio imperii) on the conclusion of his year of office. In exceptional cases, however, others were appointed proconsuls, generally those who had already held the office of consul. This was especially done to increase the number of generals in command. The proconsuls were appointed for a definite or indefinite period; as a rule for a year, reckoned from the day on which they entered their province. This period might be prolonged by a new prorogation. In any case the proconsul continued in office till the appearance of his successor. With the growth of the provinces, the consuls as well as the praetors were employed to administer them as proconsuls on the expiration of their office. After Sulla this became the rule; indeed, the Senate
decided which provinces were to be consular and which praetorian. The regulation, in B.C. 53, that past consuls should not govern a province till five years after their consulship broke down the immediate connection between the consulship and succession to a province, and the proconsuls thereby became in a more distinctive sense governors of provinces. After Augustus the title was given to governors of senatorial provinces, whether they had held the consulship before or not. As soon as the proconsul had been invested with his official power (imperium), he had to leave Rome forthwith, for there his imperium became extinct. Like the consuls, he had twelve lictors with bundles of rods and axes, whom he was bound to dismiss on reëntering Rome. In the province he combined military and judicial power over the subject peoples and the Roman citizens alike--only that in the case of the latter, on a capital charge, he had to allow them to appeal to Rome. To administer justice he travelled in
the winter from town to town. In the case of war he might order out the Roman citizens as well as the provincials. His power was absolutely unlimited, so that he might be guilty of the greatest oppression and extortion, and was only liable to prosecution for these offences on the expiration of his office. He might advance a claim for a triumph or an ovatio (q. v.) for military services. When the senatorial provinces came generally to have no army under the Empire, the duties of the proconsuls became limited to administration, political and judicial. See Mommsen, Röm. Staatsrecht, ii. 90, 233, 238-246, 257; and the article Provincia.


Provincia
A word which, in Roman public law, designated primarily the sphere of action allotted to a particular magistrate. (See Magistratus.) When, in the third century B.C., Rome began to assume the permanent rule of territories outside of Italy, it became customary to intrust the government of each such territory to a single magistrate; and, by a natural transition, “province” became the technical term for conquered territory ruled by a Roman governor, and “provincials” the technical term for the inhabitants

of such a territory--the subjects as distinguished from the citizens of Rome. Territories left under the sceptres of native princes, though practically controlled by Rome, were not provinces. Free and allied cities, though included within the boundaries of a province, were not parts of the province, nor were individuals who had received Roman citizenship properly numbered among the provincials. In the imperial period, however, with the gradual disappearance of the protected kingdoms and allied commonwealths and the gradual extension of Roman citizenship throughout the Roman world, the term province became purely territorial; the provinces were simply the great governmental districts outside of Italy. At the same time, in consequence of the growth of imperial absolutism, the distinction between Italy and the provinces lost all real importance. As early as the second century after Christ, the methods of provincial administration were introduced into Italy; and under Diocletian, at the
close of the third century, the distinction disappeared even in name, Italy being divided into a number of provinces.

Provincial Officers.--Provision was made for the government of the first four provinces by increasing the number of praetors annually elected at Rome (so B.C. 227 and again B.C. 197). The praetors-elect drew lots to determine which should do duty in Rome and which should go to the provinces. With the increase in the number of provinces (B.C. 146-120) the Senate began to prolong (prorogare) the imperium of outgoing magistrates, who then ruled the provinces allotted them as proconsuls or propraetors. The more important provinces--those in which military operations were in progress or in prospect--were commonly assigned to the outgoing consuls. A lex Sempronia (C. Gracchus) provided that the Senate should indicate annually, before the election of the consuls, which provinces were to be assigned to them. The consuls-elect then drew lots for these provinces. The system of governing the provinces through such promagistrates was made general by Sulla (about B.C. 80). The new criminal courts
(quaestiones) established by him, together with the older civil courts, kept all the praetors (now eight in number) busy at Rome during their first year of office, and all the provinces (now ten in number) were allotted to proconsuls or propraetors. The consuls continued to draw lots for the consular provinces before taking office: the praetors drew lots during their year of office. With the further increase in the number of provinces (B.C. 64 there were fourteen or fifteen) recourse was had to various expedients. Two or more provinces were not infrequently assigned to a single proconsul, or a proconsul or propraetor was left in his province for two or more years. Exceptionally, an outgoing praetor or even a private citizen might be invested with proconsular powers, but only by a vote of the Comitia. Iulius Caesar restored the equilibrium between the urban magistracies and the provincial promagistracies by a further increase in the number of praetors.

Under Augustus a division of provinces was made between the emperor and the Senate. He reserved to himself those provinces in which it was necessary to maintain a considerable armed force, and assigned to the Senate those which

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were pacified. The senatorial provinces (ten in number) continued to be allotted to the ex-magistrates: Africa and Asia to ex-consuls, the rest to ex-praetors. All of the senatorial governors bore the title of proconsul, but those of consular rank had twelve fasces, those of praetorian rank but six. With the multiplication of the city magistracies and the decrease in the number of available provinces, governorships were no longer obtainable by the outgoing magistrates at the expiration of their regular terms, but only after a legal interval of five years, and then in the order of seniority. Under Tiberius the actual interval averaged about thirteen years.

Under the governors served: (1) Legati, lieutenants, usually nominated by the governor and appointed by the Senate. The governor assigned to them their duties, and had the power of dismissing them (see Legatus);

(2) comites or contubernales, a staff of military and administrative assistants, appointed by the governor with the approval of the Senate, and removable at his pleasure;

(3) apparitores, etc., secretaries, clerks, copyists, interpreters, attendants and messengers, engineers (architecti), physicians, and priests. All these (with the possible exception of the medici) were public employés, paid by the treasury. The governor might also take with him, at his own expense, as many clients and slaves as he saw fit; but until late in the republican period he was not permitted to take his wife.

The provincial quaestors, or treasury officials, were magistrates of subordinate rank, but of independent tenure and powers. They were elected, not appointed; and were responsible only to the treasury and the Senate. The number of quaestors annually elected at Rome had increased with the organization of new provinces, so that, even at the close of the republican period, the quaestors-elect drew lots for Italian or provincial duty, and proquaestors were rarely needed. Under the Empire these officials were gradually replaced by imperial procurators (q. v.).

The quaestors, legates, and comites constituted the governor's council. See consilia, under Magistratus.

In the provinces of Caesar the emperor himself was proconsul. The governors were his appointees and lieutenants, legati Augusti pro praetore. Their authority was as ample as that of a proconsul, but since it was a delegated authority they had but five fasces (legati quinquefascales). Their military aids (legati legionis) and their officers of justice (legati iuridici) were appointed by the emperor. The interests of the imperial fiscus were guarded by procurators.

Early in the imperial period there appears another type of imperial province, in which the emperor rules not as proconsul, but as sovereign proprietor, and not through a legatus, but through a viceroy (praefectus) or steward (procurator). Many of these provinces were ruled for a time by tributary kings or princes, and with the extinction or deposition of the original dynasty the resident procurator of Caesar becomes procurator et praeses or procurator pro legato. In nearly all of these provinces there was some obstacle, either in the temper of the inhabitants (as in Egypt and Iudaea) or in the topography (as in the Alps), or in the backward stage of civilization (as in Thrace and Mauretania) to the introduction of the ordinary provincial administration.



Organization and Government.--In the republican period the main lines of the provincial organization were fixed by the Senate, and the details were worked out in each province by a special committee of senatorial legates. The constitution thus framed was the lex provinciae. The normal unit of local government was the city or town. If there were no cities, local government districts were created by combining several villages or even, as in Spain and Gaul, by adopting the existing tribal districts. In such districts towns gradually grew up, sometimes about a marketplace, sometimes about a Roman garrison. In other cases the nuclei of municipal organizations were furnished by Roman colonies. The effect of Roman rule was gradually to develop, where it did not previously exist, the Graeco-Latin municipal system. This development was largely due to the method of government instinctively adopted. It was always the Roman practice, while maintaining a strong central control, to leave the
immediate management of local affairs to the local authorities, and to throw upon them as much of the provincial and even of the imperial business as they could manage--particularly the conscription of soldiers and the collection of taxes. Only where there were no trustworthy local authorities was a prefecture or local dictatorship established. In the imperial period municipal self-government was secured and enlarged, in proportion as the provinces were Romanized, by special charters and general laws. See Municipium.

For the administration of justice the provinces were divided into much larger districts or dioceses (conventus). To the municipalities was left only a petty civil and criminal jurisdiction.

In the original demarkation of the municipal districts and judicial circuits the Romans retained the older native divisions only where the people submitted readily to the Roman rule. Where this was not the case the older political or racial connections were purposely severed; hostile communes were placed under the rule of those more friendly to Rome or under that of Roman colonies, and connubium and even commercium were suspended between different portions of the same province. But the Romans made no such innovations for the sake of innovation, or even for the sake of uniformity.

In the government of a province the governor was subject to no limitations except those expressly imposed by Roman legislation. In theory the provincials had no political or religious organization, no law, and no rights. They were conquered subjects of the Roman people (dediticii), holding their lives and their property at the pleasure of Rome. The authority of the governor was in principle absolute: he had imperium militiae. (See Magistratus.) Upon the exercise of his governmental power, however, certain restrictions were imposed, at first by Roman tradition and custom, and later, in many cases, by written law. In criminal matters he was sole judge of the law and the facts, but he was expected to administer criminal justice publicly and at stated places and times, to hear evidence and argument, and to consult his councillors. In the exercise of his civil jurisdiction he was expected, after hearing the pleadings and discovering the point at issue, to refer the decision to a iudex or
arbiter.

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In the absence of any provincial law (for the provincials had lost their own law and had no share in the civil law of Rome) he was obliged to lay down the rules which the iudex was to apply; but this he was expected (and ultimately required) to do in a general way, by a public edict, at the beginning of his term of office. He was bound to adhere to his own edict, and his successor generally reënacted it, with such emendations and additions as seemed advisable. These provincial edicts were, in general, admirably drawn, and they constituted an important element in the development of the ius gentium. See Edictum; Ius.

Such special laws as were passed at Rome for the protection of the provincials were intended primarily to safeguard the proprietary interest of the Roman people, to prevent the governors from so impairing the resources of the provinces as to lessen their value to Rome. By a series of laws the governors were forbidden to extort money or goods from the provincials, directly or indirectly. They were forbidden to accept gifts, and to purchase anything beyond current supplies. For oppression and maladministration they were liable to criminal indictment after their return to Rome. Such charges were originally tried by the Senate; then by a standing committee of the Senate; later by a regular court with a large bench of iudices (quaestio repetundarum). The governors were also expected to protect the provincials against the tax-farmers (publicani) and the speculators (negotiatores), but as a rule governors, publicans, and speculators acted in concert. When the provincials were unable to meet
the exactions of the governor and the publicans, the speculators advanced the necessary sums at usurious interest; and if their loans were not repaid when due, troops were placed at their disposal for the collection of principal and interest. The transfer of the iudicia from the senatorial to the equestrian order (C. Gracchus) tended to force the governors into such a concert, because the publicans and speculators belonged to, and exercised a controlling influence in, the equestrian order. The short terms allotted to the provincial governors made their robberies more rapid, and the prospect of criminal prosecution forced them to steal on a larger scale that they might purchase their acquittal at Rome without sacrificing more than the moiety of their gains. That the governors should make their fortunes out of the provinces was so much a matter of course that the few honourable exceptions were matters of special note and record. Even the free and allied cities were not secure against
robbery by the provincial ring. Some of them paid subsidies, which brought them into relations with the publicans and speculators: nearly all of them were bound to furnish recruits and, in case of need, to provide free quarters for the legions, which placed them at the mercy of the governor. The sale of protection against the quartering of troops was an important source of illegal revenue.

The establishment of the Empire greatly improved the position of the provincials. The theory that the provinces must not be so exploited as to lessen their productivity was now enforced, not only in the provinces of Caesar, but in those which were nominally under the control of the Senate. A careful census of the provinces and the abandonment of the wasteful and oppressive system of tax-farming made it possible to lessen the burden

of the provincial taxes and yet increase the revenue. All the provincial governors, including the proconsuls, received not only their outfit and a liberal allowance for expenses, as in the Republican period, but a salary. The extension of municipal rights and of Roman citizenship gave the provincials much more effective protection against arbitrary and unjust treatment. The systematic organization of the cult of Rome and of the divi Augusti led to annual meetings of delegates from the localities, and to these assemblies (communia, concilia, koina), whose character and duties were at first purely religious, some representative functions were conceded, especially the right of petition. Under Tiberius they became something very like advisory administrative councils. Charges against the governors formulated by such bodies received serious consideration. Tacitus and Pliny mention twenty-seven trials of ex-governors, with but seven acquittals.

Public Works.--Even under the Republic much had been done to develop the resources of the provinces by the building of roads, the improvement of harbours, the establishment of colonies, etc. Under the Empire all these things were done on a larger scale and with more consistency of purpose. For an account of the imperial postal system, see Cursus Publicus.

Defence of the Frontiers.--With the pacification and gradual Romanization of the provinces the troops were gradually removed to the frontier. The frontier line (limes), even in those portions most exposed to barbarian inroads, was a road rather than a wall, and served primarily for the rapid concentration of troops. These were quartered in forts (castella). The road itself was protected, where it was deemed necessary, by ditches and palisades, and frequently by a broad zone of waste country, in which no settlements were tolerated. The movement of persons across the line was strictly controlled, as was also, for revenue purposes, the transit of goods.

General Development.--In judging the results of Roman conquest and rule, it must never be forgotten that the suppression of brigandage and piracy, and of the interminable wars which formerly raged between the petty States of the ancient world, gave to industry and commerce an unexampled security, which went far to balance the spoliation of the provinces even in the worst period of misgovernment. With the administrative reforms of the early Empire and the effective defence of the frontiers, the majority of the provinces grew rapidly in wealth, comfort, and civilization. The contributions of the ruder, non-Hellenic provinces to the art, literature, and science of the Roman world grew steadily in importance. Provincials played a prominent part in the government of the Empire: they gave it not only the bulk of its troops, but a constantly increasing number of military leaders, administrative officers, and jurists. In the end they furnished the majority of its emperors.

Later Empire.--In the course of the third century the military and the civil government of the provinces began to be assigned to different officers, the former to duces, the latter to praesides or correctores. Under Diocletian this separation of powers became general. At the same time the larger provinces were subdivided and grouped for administrative purposes into a dozen dioceses, each under a vicarius, and these, again, into four great prefectures--Gaul, Italy, Illyricum, and the Orient.

[p. 1327] ROMAN PROVINCIAL ORGANIZATION.
Early Empire (to a.d. 117).Later Empire (End of Fourth Century). Date of Constitution.Assigned to-- (Ranking as--)Title of Governor. Title of Governor.Diocese.Praetorian Praefecture.Sicilia.B.C. 241Senate (praetorian).Proconsul.Sicilia.Consularis.Italia (vicarius urbis).Italia.Sardinia and Corsica.B.C. 231b. c. 27 to a. d. 6 Senate (praetorian). Afterwards usually Caesar.Proconsul.Sardinia.Praeses.Italia (vicarius urbis).Italia.Procurator.Corsica.Praeses.Hispania Citerior (Tarraconensis).B.C. 197Caesar (consular).Legatus propraetore.Tarraconensis.Praeses.Hispania.Galliae.Carthaginiensis.Praeses.Insulae Baleares.Praeses.Gallaecia et Asturia.Consularis.Hispania Ulterior (Baetica).b. c. 197Senate (praetorian).Proconsul.Baetica (with whichConsularis. Tingitana is connected)Hispania.Galliae.Lusitania.B.C. 27Caesar (praetorian).Legatus propraetore.Lusitania.Consularis. Gallia Narbonensis.B.C. 120B.C. 27 to B.C. 22 Caesar. After B.C. 22 Senate (praetorian).Legatus propraetore.Narbonensis
I., II.Praesides.Gallia (Viennensis).Galliae.Proconsul.Viennensis.Consularis.Aquitania. Caesar (praetorian).Legatus propraetore.Novum populana.Praeses.Gallia (Viennensis).Galliae. Aquitanica I., II.Praesides.Lugdunensis.B.C. 50 Separately organized B.C. 27?Caesar (praetorian).Legatus propraetore.Lugdunensis I.Consularis.Gallia.Galliae.Lugdunensis II., III., and IV. (Senonia).Praesides.Belgica. Caesar (praetorian).Legatus propraetore.Belgica I., II.Consulares.Gallia.Galliae.Germania Superior.Separately organizedCaesar (consular).Legatus propraetore.Maxima SequanorumPraeses.Gallia.Galliae.Germania I.Consularis.Germania Inferior.A.D. 17?Caesar (consular).Legatus propraetore.Germania II.Consularis.Gallia.Galliae.Britannia.A.D. 43Caesar (consular).Legatus propraetore.Maxima Caesariensis.Consularis.Britanniae.Galliae.Valentia.Consularis.Britannia I., II.Praesides.Flavia Caesariensis.Praeses.Alpes Maritimae.B.C. 14Caesar.Procurator.Alpes Maritimae (including western slope of Cottian
Alps).Praeses.Gallia (Viennensis).Galliae.Alpes Cottiae (Regnum Cottii).Between A.D. 54 and 68Caesar.Procurator.Alpes Cottiae.Praeses.Italia.Italia.Alpes Poeninae.Second century.Caesar.Procurator.Alpes Poeninae et Graiae.Praeses.Gallia.Galliae.Raetia.B.C. 15Caesar.Procurator.Raetia I., II.Praesides.Italia.Italia.Noricum.B.C. 15Caesar.Procurator.Noricum Mediterraneum.Praeses.Illyricum occidentaleItalia.Noricum Ripense.Praeses.(Pannoniae).Pannonia Superior.A.D. 10CaesarLegatusPannonia I.Praeses. Pannonia ripariensisCorrector.Illyricum Pannonia Inferior.Divided betw. A.D. 102 and 107(consular).propraetore.or Savia. occidentaleItalia.Pannonia II.Consularis.(Pannoniae). Valeria.Praeses. Illyricum, later Dalmatia.Between B.C. 167 and 59b. c. 27 to B.C. 11 Senate. After B.C. 11 Caesar (consular).Proconsul.Dalmatia.Praeses.Illyricum occ.Italia.Legatus propraetore.Praevalitana.Praeses.Moesia Superior.Between B.C. 29 and A.D. 6Caesar (consular).Legatus propraetore.Moesia I.Praeses.Dacia
(under the direct administration of the praetorian prefect).Illyricum.Dardania.Praeses.Dacia mediterranea.Consularis.Dacia ripensis.Dux.Moesia Inferior (Ripa Thracia).Divided betw. A.D. 81 and 96 Moesia II.Praeses.Thraciae.Oriens.Scythia.Praeses.Dacia.A.D. 107Caesar (consular).Legatus propraetore.Abandoned, A.D. 270-275 Thracia.A.D. 46Caesar.Procurator (under legatus Moesiae). Under Trajan, a legatus propraetore.Thracia.Consularis.Thraciae.Oriens.Haemimontus.Praeses.Rhodope.Praeses.Europa.Consularis.Macedonia.B.C. 146Senate (praetorian). A.D. 15 to 44 Caesar.Proconsul. Legatus propraetore.Macedonia I.Consularis.Macedonia.Illyricum.Macedonia II.Praeses.Thessalia.Praeses.Epirus nova.Praeses.Epirus.Separately organized towards end of first century.Caesar.Procurator.Epirus vetus.Praeses.Macedonia.Illyricum.Achaia.B.C. 27Senate (praetorian).Proconsul.Achaia.Proconsul, who stands directly under the praetorian prefect of Illyricum. [Emperor.Asia.B.C. 133Senate
(consular).Proconsul.Asia proconsularis.Proconsul, who stands directly under theHellespontus.Consularis, who stands under the procon-Lydia.Consularis.Asia.[sul Asiae.Phrygia I. (pacatiana).Praeses.Oriens.Phrygia II. (salutaris).Praeses.Caria.Praeses.Insulae.Praeses, who stands under the procon- [sul Asiae.

[p. 1328] Bithynia and Pontus.B.C. 74 B.C. 65Senate (praetorian).Proconsul.Bithynia.Consularis.Pontus.Oriens.Honorias.Praeses.Paphlagonia.Corrector.Helenopontus.Praeses.Galatia.B.C. 25 Enlarged B.C. 7Caesar (praetorian).Legatus propraetore.Pontus Polemoniacus.Praeses. Galatia I.Consularis.Pontus. Galatia II. (salutaris).Praeses. Oriens.Lycaonia.Praeses.Asia.Pisidia.Praeses.Cappadocia.A.D. 17Caesar (after A.D. 70 consular).A.D. 18-70, procurator; afterwards, legatus propraetore.Cappadocia I., II.Praesides.Pontus.Oriens.Armenia I., II.Praesides.Pamphylia and Lycia.B.C. 25 A.D. 43Caesar (praetorian).Legatus propraetore.Pamphylia.Consularis.Asia.Oriens.Lycia.Praeses.Cilicia.B.C. 102? Fully organized b. c. 64Caesar (praetorian).Legatus propraetore.Cilicia I.Consularis.Oriens.Oriens.Cilicia II.Praeses.Isauria.Comes.Cyprus.B.C. 27b. c. 27 to b. c. 22 Caesar; afterwards Senate (praetorian).Proconsul.Cyprus.Consularis.Oriens.Oriens.Syria.B.C. 64Caesar (consular).Legatus
propraetore.Euphratensis.Praeses.Oriens.Oriens.Syria I.Consularis.Syria II. (salutaris).Praeses.Phœnice I.Consularis.Phœnice II.Praeses.Iudaea (Syria Palaestina).Separately organized A.D. 6.Caesar (after A.D. 70 praetorian.)A.D.6-41, 44-70 procurator; afterwards, legatus propraetore.Palaestina I.Consularis.Oriens.Oriens.Palaestina II.Praeses.Arabia.A.D. 105Caesar (praetorian).Legatus propraetore.Palaestina III.Praeses.Oriens.Oriens.Arabia.Dux.Armenia.A.D. 114Caesar (praetorian).Legatus propraetore.Abandoned A.D. 117 Mesopotamia (abandoned A.D. 117, reconquered......A.D. 115 A.D. 165Caesar. (?)--?--Osrhoëne.Praeses.Oriens.Oriens.Mesopotamia.Praeses.Assyria.A.D. 115Caesar.--?--Abandoned A.D. 117 Aegyptus.B.C. 30Caesar.Praefectus (with consular rank).Aegyptus.Praeses.Aegyptus.Oriens.Augustamnica.Corrector.Heptanomis (Arcadia).Praeses.Thebais.Praeses.Libya inferior.Praeses.Cyrene and Creta.B.C. 74 B.C. 67 united B.C. 27Senate (praetorian).Proconsul.Libya
superior.Praeses.Aegyptus.Oriens.Creta.Consularis.Macedonia.Illyricum.Africa and Numidia.B.C. 146 B.C. 46 united B.C. 25Senate (consular).Proconsul.Tripolitana.Praeses.Africa.Italia.Byzacena.Consularis.Africa proconsularis.Proconsul, who stands directly underNumidia.Consularis. [the Emperor.Mauretania. Caesariensis.A.D. 40Caesar.Procurator.Mauretania I. (Sitifensis).Praeses.Africa.Italia.Mauretania II. (Caesariensis).Praeses.Mauretania. Tingitana.A.D. 40Caesar.Procurator.Tingitana (connected with Baetica).Praeses.Hispania.Galliae.



With the extension of the provincial organization to Italy proper, the following additional provinces were included (about 400) in the praefectura Italiae:

I. Under the vicarius Italiae: (1) Venetia et Histria,

(2) Liguria,

(3) Aemilia,

(4) Flaminia et Picenum annonarium. II. Under the vicarius urbis Romae:

(5) Tuscia et Umbria,

(6) Picenum suburbicarium,

(7) Valeria,

(8) Samnium,

(9) Campania,

(10) Apulia et Calabria,

(11) Lucania et Bruttii. Provinces 1-6 and 9 were governed by consulares; 10 and 11 by correctores; 7 and 8 by praesides.



Bibliography.--Marquardt, Römische Verwaltung, vol. i.; Person, Les Provinces Romaines sous la République; Arnold, Roman Provincial Administration; Mommsen, Roman History, vols. iii. and v.







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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21217 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Thanks!
Salve Honorable Octavia Ulpia Terentina!

Hello again! ;-) Good to see that You have fond your way to our Nova
Roma Main list! I am sure You will find a lot of nice people to work
with.

Academia Thules at http://www.insulaumbra.com/academiathules/ also
organises Latin studies and other study lines. Please feel free to
check them out.

Sadly enough Sodalitas Latinitas is sailing without a captain
(owner/moderator) so the list can't do the usual things that the
Yahoo list can do. The former "captain" Formusanus has left Nova Roma
long ago.

>Salve Octavia Uplia,
>
>You asked:
>
>> Can you learn me a little bit latin?
>
>Our Sodalitas Latinitas is the best place to interact with people who
>are fluent in Latin. They can also recommend some self-study programs
>that might help you.
>
>One online Latin course that you might find particularly helpful is
>http://www.sprachprofi.de.vu/
>
>Vale,
>
>-- Marinus

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21218 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Thanks!
Salve Faustus,

<Oh, no! The virus breaks Constitution on 2.B.6:
<"The right to <the citizen> remain sovereign and secure within one's
<own home, person, and property;"

Nah, still wouldn't hold.... In your *opinion* this is a virus. :-) There was no attachment so
without proof, this remains a simple email sent by Marcus Octavius which read simply 'Thanks!'
Nothing to veto there!

Vale,
Diana
PS- By the way, of course I am teasing you. :-))
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21219 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Thanks!
Salve,

Sure the virus hasn´t appeared. It was under my veto. :)

L. Arminius Faustus

PS. On digest mode attachments doesn´t appear. If someone receives NR
list as individual emails (Gods protect his heroic mailbox!) perhaps
the attachment was received. But it is not kept on Yahoo Groups.
anyway, just don´t open the attachment and erase the message. I know
if Germanicus or anyone wants to send/foward ´Thanks´, he will write
something together. And sure ´thanks for something´ would not be a
surprise.

However, this must be a warning to all. For me it is easy. Besides
the huge infection even on some computers on the company, none of my
friends would write me email on english! Tsc tsc tsc, these
anglophonic viruses...


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Diana Octavia Aventina
<sacerdosveneris@y...> wrote:
> Salve Faustus,
>
> <Oh, no! The virus breaks Constitution on 2.B.6:
> <"The right to <the citizen> remain sovereign and secure within
one's
> <own home, person, and property;"
>
> Nah, still wouldn't hold.... In your *opinion* this is a virus. :-)
There was no attachment so
> without proof, this remains a simple email sent by Marcus Octavius
which read simply 'Thanks!'
> Nothing to veto there!
>
> Vale,
> Diana
> PS- By the way, of course I am teasing you. :-))
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21220 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Roman Surveying
G. Lanius Falco S.P.D.

Salvete, omnes

As I was perusing the article on Roman Surveying I clicked on the "Back" button at the top of the page and found an article on Hadrian's Wall.

Valete,

G. Lanius Falco
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21221 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Salvete!
Salve Octavia Ulpia;

Sure it was the desire of some wonderful Nova Romans, our censor
Quintilianus, Perusianus and Sulla & company to do something real
life for Rome with distinguished academics; this is how the Magna
Mater project started.

We publish a newletter here once a month, telling what is happening
with the archeology, or the history of Magna Mater's cultus in Rome
(I'll be writing about that!), or fundraising to help Professor
Pensabene who is excavating Magna Mater's temple on the Palatine.

Many Nova Romani are involved from Thule, Gallia, Hibernia, Italia to
California, so I hope I have explained this well & you are very
welcome to join us.
bene vale in pace deorum, Sep.Fabia Vera Fausta


here is a link to Marcus Iulius Perusianus's webpage on the project:
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/magnamater.html
the group is Yahoo Gruppi: NR_MagnaMater, you have to go to Italian
Yahoo first but the group is in English.


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Andrea Zorn <terentina2003@y...> wrote:
> Ave Septima Fabia Vera,
>
> I will visit the group, that sounds realy great! Yes that realy
interest me. Can you tell me more about?
>
> Vale bene,
> Octavia Ulpia
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21222 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Correctly Defining the Title Propraetor
Salvete Armini Fauste et omnes ,

So from what I read here and in a Dictionary Of Ancient Rome, a
provincial governor or propraetor should have been an elected
magistrate before qualifying for this position. Therefore does it
follow that someone like me, Gaius Falco or Fabia Vera who have not
been elected magistrates, if appointed should be refered to as Legati
with the duties of a propraetor?

If in later cases a Propraeter was appointed and for some reason had
not been a magistrate in Rome, did he actually carry the imperium in
his province? How does this work in NR's situation?


Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21223 From: FAC Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Candidates for propraetorship
Salve Illustre Scaure,

> Actually for most of the Republican period Italy was largely an
asset to
> be raped at will while a Roman boot was applied firmly to its
throat.
> The history of Roman wars with Italian city states and peoples,
> culminating in the Social War confirms this. Governance within
Italia
> was rather ad hoc with travelling magistrates from Rome often
creating
> considerable havoc with the administrative officials of
localities. In
> many respects Roman provinciae in the late republic were rather
better
> governed than most of Italia. The privileged administrative
position of
> Italia is more an artifact of policies pursued by Tiberius than
anything
> in the Roman republic.

You are correct and I agree with you. BTW we're considering a large
time range. In my opinion the "idea" of Italy like a united and one
land came up only during the social war. You don't wrong saying that
before Italia was a mix of local populations and cities fighting
against Rome. But after the Social War Italia was under the powers
directly of Consules and Senate appointing special Magistrates and
creating Municipia in the conquered and indipendent regions.
(please, correct me if I wrong)
I don't think Italy had privileged administration only during
Tiberius' reign. I remember the political and social privileges for
the italic citizens about fairs, elections and political affairs,
etc. and first of all citizenship. During the Res Publica and for
other time after the only roman citizen were the people living in
the Urbs and in Italia. This is a very important psycological and
social and political side which must to be considered in the
republican society.

> Would you prefer that the Senate appoint
> quaestores, aediles, and custodes to oversee the decuriones of the
> municipia of Italia? That was the practice during the Republic :-
). I
> rather think Provincia Italia has the better of the modern trade-
off.

Of course, Scaure, I wouldn't special Magistrates for Italia and I'm
not trying to give more powers or a different status to my Land in
Nova Roma ;-) Mine was only an example about the historical errors
of the nova roman provincial structure. ;-)
BTW I disagree your last words, I don't think ever "Provincia"
Italia is better now than in Ancient Rome. The italics were the only
roman citizens, Italia ws higher than the other provinciae because
the "Mater" land and after because it was a Goddess. Which is the
demonstration of the highest idea of the Romans about Italia.
Amice, I wouldn't special magistrates for my Land, but do you prefer
have no roman citizenship because living in a "foreign" Provincia
and not in Italia? ;-)
It's joke of course demonstring you that there are positive and
negatice sides about thsi topic.

Maybe a firt little step for a more historically correct situation
could be cut the word "Provincia" before Italia ;-)

I agree Quintilianus, we italians must to continue our hard job to
increase the position of Italia in Nova Roma. During the last two
years (when I was lucky to be Propraetor) Italia became the 2nd
Provincia for population and maybe one of the firsts about active
services. We're happy and proud but we have to continue on this way.
I'm sure Manius Constantinus Serapio will do it if appointed as
Propraetor, he's the best choice!

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21224 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Correctly Defining the Title Propraetor
Sakve Honorable Quintus Lanius Paulinus!

No, as I stated in my short mail the custom to appoint even privati
with Imperium Propraetori started around the time of the Second Punic
war. It even happened during the Second Punic war that someone was
appointed proconsul without being a Consul the year before.

As I stated before te title Procurator is an Imperial one and it was
Augustus who started the tradition of sending _his_ legati out to the
Provinces in _his_ name. Well Pompeius did the same thing when he
crusshed the pirates and later during the Triumvirate and after. But
that isn't at all typical for the Republic.

To me it is very historic and Repubican for the Senate (really it
should probably be the Comitia) to send a citizen with an imperium of
proconsular or propraetorian level to administer a provincia. Yes
someone with a proconsular imperium could even delegate propraetorian
imperium to a legat that was acting within the higher proconsul's
provincia.

>Salvete Armini Fauste et omnes ,
>
>So from what I read here and in a Dictionary Of Ancient Rome, a
>provincial governor or propraetor should have been an elected
>magistrate before qualifying for this position. Therefore does it
>follow that someone like me, Gaius Falco or Fabia Vera who have not
>been elected magistrates, if appointed should be refered to as Legati
>with the duties of a propraetor?
>
>If in later cases a Propraeter was appointed and for some reason had
>not been a magistrate in Rome, did he actually carry the imperium in
>his province? How does this work in NR's situation?

Yes there were citizens appointed that hadn't been magistrtes at all
(see for ex. Pompeius) and all "kinds" of propraetoes and proconsuls
seem to have had imperium. Still this is not a issue were the sources
are crystal clear. I think that the custom in Nova Roma is as
hsitorical as possible and the best solution possible. It is easy to
understand that the proconsuls and propraetors are "sent out" by the
Senate to deal with the Proviniae in Nova Roma. I think no one would
mix up a Praetor with a Propraetor.

>
>
>Regards,
>
>Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21225 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Correctly Defining the Title Propraetor
Salve Hon. Caeso Fabi Quintiliane,

Thank you for your good summary about the Propraetorship. That clears
up any questions for me.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
<christer.edling@t...> wrote:
> Sakve Honorable Quintus Lanius Paulinus!
>
> No, as I stated in my short mail the custom to appoint even privati
> with Imperium Propraetori started around the time of the Second
Punic
> war. It even happened during the Second Punic war that someone was
> appointed proconsul without being a Consul the year before.
>
> As I stated before te title Procurator is an Imperial one and it
was
> Augustus who started the tradition of sending _his_ legati out to
the
> Provinces in _his_ name. Well Pompeius did the same thing when he
> crusshed the pirates and later during the Triumvirate and after.
But
> that isn't at all typical for the Republic.
>
> To me it is very historic and Repubican for the Senate (really it
> should probably be the Comitia) to send a citizen with an imperium
of
> proconsular or propraetorian level to administer a provincia. Yes
> someone with a proconsular imperium could even delegate
propraetorian
> imperium to a legat that was acting within the higher proconsul's
> provincia.
>
> >Salvete Armini Fauste et omnes ,
> >
> >So from what I read here and in a Dictionary Of Ancient Rome, a
> >provincial governor or propraetor should have been an elected
> >magistrate before qualifying for this position. Therefore does it
> >follow that someone like me, Gaius Falco or Fabia Vera who have not
> >been elected magistrates, if appointed should be refered to as
Legati
> >with the duties of a propraetor?
> >
> >If in later cases a Propraeter was appointed and for some reason
had
> >not been a magistrate in Rome, did he actually carry the imperium
in
> >his province? How does this work in NR's situation?
>
> Yes there were citizens appointed that hadn't been magistrtes at
all
> (see for ex. Pompeius) and all "kinds" of propraetoes and
proconsuls
> seem to have had imperium. Still this is not a issue were the
sources
> are crystal clear. I think that the custom in Nova Roma is as
> hsitorical as possible and the best solution possible. It is easy
to
> understand that the proconsuls and propraetors are "sent out" by
the
> Senate to deal with the Proviniae in Nova Roma. I think no one
would
> mix up a Praetor with a Propraetor.
>
> >
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
> --
>
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Censor, Consularis et Senator
> Proconsul Thules
> Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
> Civis Romanus sum
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************************************************
> Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21226 From: gacaesar2000 Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Fw: SPQR Memebership ring
Salve

I know its late to chime in on the ring issue, but, I do prefer the
one one with the eagle with the wreath(located on the NR site). I
will definitely order one and wear it proudly. Please let me know
when we can order and I will place mine.

Vale

Galius Adoreus Caesar


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:


> Salve
>
> The one we are going to have made is the one with the Eagle and
SPQR on it as shown in the picture uploaded at the NR yahoo site. wee
need orders for 100 to get this off the ground.
>
> I need to know if you want a size 11 for $ 85.00 or another size
for $100.00
>
> The size 11 is a standard men's size and you can have you own
jeweler resize it or you can get a 12 or 13 for $100.00 and no
resizing.
>
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Donald L Meaker
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 1:18 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fw: SPQR Memebership ring
>
>
> I would buy either, but not both.
>
> I also would buy 3 or 4 for my children.
>
> Equitius Paternus
>
> On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 05:07:56 -0800 (PST) Marcus Bianchius Antonius
> <imperialreign@y...> writes:
> >same here...
> >
> >MBA
> >
> >Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> >Salve that the one I want to have made
> >
> >TGP
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 4:24 PM
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fw: SPQR Memebership ring
> >
> >
> > Salve Tiberi,
> >
> > Personally, I liked the first ring you showed with the large
eagle
> > and SPQR though I know some people found it costly. I settle
for
> > either system as long as we get them going. Most custom design
> > jewelry costs much more than the regular. For example I am
> > redesigning my celtic friendship-wedding band. To buy it off
the
> > counter it costs 300.00; to have a similar designed for me is
more
> > like 900.00.
> >
> > I agree with you that it is time to make the decision -
dictatorship
> >
> > of the proletariat! I shudder how long it would take us to
make a
> > temple or small village with all th humming and hawing that
goes on.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Quintus Lanius Paulinus
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher"
<spqr753@m...>
> >
> > wrote:
> > > Salve Romans
> > >
> > > The time has come to make a decision about this ring. Do we
want
> > them to make some at the below price or not?
> > >
> > > If you order a size 11 it costs $85.00 and will be in
silver. If
> >
> > you need a bigger size to 13 it will cost 100.00 or you can
order a
> > size 11 and have your jeweler resize it for you.
> > >
> > > or we can have them design a completely new design.
> > >
> > > Regardless we need to make a decision.
> > >
> > >
> > > Vale
> > >
> > > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> > > "One ring to bind them"
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: MIKE CARROLL
> > > To: Stephen Gallagher
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 8:20 AM
> > > Subject: Re: SPQR Memebership ring
> > >
> > >
> > > Tim, size 11 in Sterling silver would cost $85 per
> > > piece. Any other sizes, up to a maximum of 13 would
> > > cost an additional $15 for a total of $100. The reason
> > > being, we will make the mold in a size 11 (a fairly
> > > standard men's size) and have to resize all other
> > > rings. Your members will always have the option of
> > > purchasing the ring for $85 and letting their
> > > individual jewelers do the resizing. I hope this
> > > helps.
> > >
> > > I'll be leaving today to attend a show in Kentucky and
> > > will be returning on Sunday. If you need to get hold
> > > of me, my cell # is 847-682-3041. Thanks.. Mike
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> > > > Hi Mike
> > > >
> > > > Size 11 $85.00 and $85.00 for any other size or is
> > > > that $100.00 for other sizes.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Tim G.
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: MIKE CARROLL
> > > > To: Stephen Gallagher
> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 5:04 AM
> > > > Subject: SPQR Memebership ring
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Tim,
> > > >
> > > > As mentioned, we can remake the Centurion ring to
> > > > include the letter SPQR in the bowtie section of
> > > > the
> > > > Centurion ring. To re-make the ring, hand-inscribe
> > > > it
> > > > to your specific typeface and create a mold, I
> > > > would
> > > > need a check in advance for $400 to cover the
> > > > work.
> > > >
> > > > When we last discussed the ring you caught me in
> > > > the
> > > > car I did not have access to my information. After
> > > > returning to the office, I further examined the
> > > > work
> > > > required and am forced to raise the price of
> > > > individual sterling silver rings, size 11 to $85
> > > > for
> > > > your members. Currently we are charging $159 for
> > > > that
> > > > same ring.
> > > >
> > > > Other sizing charges will be $15. I think you
> > > > will
> > > > agree that this is still a very good price for
> > > > such a
> > > > heavy customized ring.
> > > >
> > > > Further, 10 karat gold versions in size 11 would
> > > > cost
> > > > $409, 14 karat white or yellow gold - $575 and 18
> > > > karat white or yellow gold - $746. For additional
> > > > sizing in the gold versions, add an additional $20
> > > >
> > > > Im assuming you would want Times New Roman
> > > > typeface
> > > > but you will need to confirm and specify the exact
> > > > typeface.
> > > >
> > > > Please let me know if and when you would like me
> > > > to
> > > > start making the ring. I look forward to hear from
> > > > you.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
> > > > --- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> > > > > Hi Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes we are and yes I will
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: MIKE CARROLL
> > > > > To: Stephen Gallagher
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 9:58 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: membership ring
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Tim, we are still working on re-working the
> > > > > Centurion
> > > > > ring and estimating casting costs etc. I
> > > > should
> > > > > have
> > > > > the pricing & discount information by early
> > > > next
> > > > > week.
> > > > > Are you still interested? At your convenience,
> > > > > please
> > > > > give me a call to discuss. I don't have your
> > > > phone
> > > > > number. Thanks... Sincerely. Mike
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> > > > > > Hi Mike Yes and it is GREAT and thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If we were to buy a number of rings at the
> > > > same
> > > > > time
> > > > > > would it be possible to have a discount for
> > > > > > quantity?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If it is in what amounts and what level of
> > > > > discount.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tim G
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: MIKE CARROLL
> > > > > > To: Stephen Gallagher
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:26 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: membership ring
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tim did you receive the jpeg I sent? Mike
> > > > > > --- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@m...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for the Information. Would you
> > > > be
> > > > > able
> > > > > > to do
> > > > > > > draft of what the Ring would look like
> > > > with
> > > > > the
> > > > > > SPQR
> > > > > > > added and the "Bowtie" removed?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks for your time
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tim Gallagher
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: MIKE CARROLL
> > > > > > > To: Stephen Gallagher
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 8:54 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: membership ring
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Tim, I am able to modify the Centurion
> > > > > ring by
> > > > > > > deleting the "bowtie' just below the
> > > > > eagle's
> > > > > > feet
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > inscribing the capital letters SPQR in
> > > > a,
> > > > > I'm
> > > > > > > guessing, times new roman typeface.
> > > > That
> > > > > would
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > least expensive route.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In order to recreate the SPQR,
> > > > surrounded
> > > > > by
> > > > > > > wreath
> > > > > > > logo as seen on your website, we would
> > > > > need to
> > > > > > > carve
> > > > > > > an entirely new ring. A more costly
> > > > > direction.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regarding metals; I can only offer
> > > > casting
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > sterling
> > > > > > > silver, 10, 14 or 18 karat gold.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Regarding sizing; we are also capable
> > > > of
> > > > > > making
> > > > > > > smaller versions of the ring.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you have any additional questions,
> > > > > don't
> > > > > > > hesitate
> > > > > > > to call or email. Mike
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- Stephen Gallagher
> > > > <spqr753@m...>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > Dear Mr. Carroll
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Please take a look at our web site
> > > > > > > > http://www.novaroma.org/main.html
> > > > you
> > > > > will
> > > > > > see
> > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > > flag with the SPQR in the middle of
> > > > the
> > > > > gold
> > > > > > > wreath.
> > > > > > > > we would like something like this
> > > > either
> > > >
> > > === message truncated ===
> > >
> > >
> > > =====
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> > > United States Eagle Rings
> > > http://www.eaglerings.com
> > > or - http://www.carrollcollection.com
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21227 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2004-03-03
Subject: Re: Candidates for propraetorship
G. Iulius Scaurus Fr. Apulo Caesari salutem dicit.

Salve, Ff. Apule.

>>Actually for most of the Republican period Italy was largely an
>>
>>
>asset to
>
>
>>be raped at will while a Roman boot was applied firmly to its
>>
>>
>throat.
>
>
>> The history of Roman wars with Italian city states and peoples,
>>culminating in the Social War confirms this. Governance within
>>
>>
>Italia
>
>
>>was rather ad hoc with travelling magistrates from Rome often
>>
>>
>creating
>
>
>>considerable havoc with the administrative officials of
>>
>>
>localities. In
>
>
>>many respects Roman provinciae in the late republic were rather
>>
>>
>better
>
>
>>governed than most of Italia. The privileged administrative
>>
>>
>position of
>
>
>>Italia is more an artifact of policies pursued by Tiberius than
>>
>>
>anything
>
>
>>in the Roman republic.
>>
>>
>
>You are correct and I agree with you. BTW we're considering a large
>time range. In my opinion the "idea" of Italy like a united and one
>land came up only during the social war. You don't wrong saying that
>before Italia was a mix of local populations and cities fighting
>against Rome. But after the Social War Italia was under the powers
>directly of Consules and Senate appointing special Magistrates and
>creating Municipia in the conquered and indipendent regions.
>(please, correct me if I wrong)
>I don't think Italy had privileged administration only during
>Tiberius' reign. I remember the political and social privileges for
>the italic citizens about fairs, elections and political affairs,
>etc. and first of all citizenship. During the Res Publica and for
>other time after the only roman citizen were the people living in
>the Urbs and in Italia. This is a very important psycological and
>social and political side which must to be considered in the
>republican society.
>
By the time of the Social War there were Roman citizens in much of the
Mediterranean world, some as a function of establishment of colonia,
some as a result of establishment of Latin-rights municipia, some as a
result of the grant of citizenship by magistrates to helpful locals in
the provinciae outside Italy. I don't disagree that an ideological
campaign identifying Rome and Italia was initiated by C. Iulius Caesar
and continued by Augustus and Tiberius (even to the extent of
incorporating the iconography of the coinage of the Social War's
opponents of Rome -- Dea Italia -- in the Ara Pacis), but to project
this attitude much eearlier in Republican history is anachronistic. My
remark about Tiberius' liberalisation of the administration of Italia
has to do with his restriction of arbitrary intervention by senatorial
magistrates in the decision-making of local decuriae.

>>Would you prefer that the Senate appoint
>>quaestores, aediles, and custodes to oversee the decuriones of the
>>municipia of Italia? That was the practice during the Republic :-
>>
>>
>). I
>
>
>>rather think Provincia Italia has the better of the modern trade-
>>
>>
>off.
>
>Of course, Scaure, I wouldn't special Magistrates for Italia and I'm
>not trying to give more powers or a different status to my Land in
>Nova Roma ;-) Mine was only an example about the historical errors
>of the nova roman provincial structure. ;-)
>BTW I disagree your last words, I don't think ever "Provincia"
>Italia is better now than in Ancient Rome. The italics were the only
>roman citizens, Italia ws higher than the other provinciae because
>the "Mater" land and after because it was a Goddess. Which is the
>demonstration of the highest idea of the Romans about Italia.
>Amice, I wouldn't special magistrates for my Land, but do you prefer
>have no roman citizenship because living in a "foreign" Provincia
>and not in Italia? ;-)
>It's joke of course demonstring you that there are positive and
>negatice sides about thsi topic.
>
The Romanisation of Italy was a process which took hundreds of years and
was not fully completed until the principate. The ideological
identification of Rome and Italy was a project of the principate. You
are dehistoricising a complex historical phenomenon.

I would have no objection to a lex automatically granting Novaroman
citizenship to anyone who can prove an ancestor in the paternal line
holding historical Roman citizenship :-). But seriously, I am simply
pointing out that this is one of the intractable problems following from
the fact that Nova Roma and Roma antiqua are not precisely
geographically coextensive. What do we do about Trier or Milan or
Nicomedia? They were imperial capitals. What do we do about
Constantinople, the senate of which was accorded all the rights and
privileges of the Roman senate by a senatusconsultum of the Roman senate
(admittedly obtained by Constantine's arm-twisting)?

And to answer your question, I would resign my Novaroman citizenship in
an instant if it entailed special privileges for citizens just because
of the accident of their place of birth. I oppose the nonsense of an
intrinsically "more Roman" Italy as much as I oppose the nonsense of
America being the modern heir of the Roman Empire -- both are based on a
modern nationalism which has little to do with antiquity. I have been
in Rome more than a few times to work in its libraries and I recall more
complaints from its residents about pain-in-the-ass tourists and traffic
congestion resulting from all the "ruins," and the reams of paperwork
and bureaucratic approvals for construction resulting from every spade
striking history as it digs, than panegyrics to Romanitas.

>Maybe a firt little step for a more historically correct situation
>could be cut the word "Provincia" before Italia ;-)
>

We've alrady had a first little step: Rome must be an urbs, rather than
a civitas (which I thought a better word for a Roman city than
"municpium," but I didn't wite the law), even though there is just as
much literary reference to Rome as a civitas as an urbs (will
Constantinople be an "urbs" too, since there is vastly more reference to
it in the Latin literature as an urbs than as a civitas, but that's
probably an artifact of the shift in the semantic field of "civitas" in
late antique Latin?). The next step is to make Italia something other
than a provincia. What's the step after that? Only citizens who can be
present in the Comitia on the appropriate day in the Ovile can vote?
That would involve digging things up from the Via del Caravita to the
Via di S. Marco, which I doubt the civil authorities in Rome would
countenance, and the Vatican could probably object to demolishing the
churches of San Marco and Santa Maria in Via Lata :-). This is, of
course, a reductio ad absurdam. However, that is one logical direction
toward which your Italian particularism tends.

I am sick of the way Italian nationalism and American nationalism, or
Eurocentrism and Americentrism, or what ever you care to call it plagues
Nova Roma. The fact that Nova Roma was founded in the US should
privilege Americans in no way in Nova Roma, nor should the fact that
Roma antiqua is located in the modern nation of Italy (recall that
neither Sardinia nor Sicily, parts of modern Italy, ever shared the
privileges of ancient Italia) privilege Italians in any way in Nova
Roma. We need more unity and less distinction between Nova Roman
citizens based on geographical accident.

>
>I agree Quintilianus, we italians must to continue our hard job to
>increase the position of Italia in Nova Roma. During the last two
>years (when I was lucky to be Propraetor) Italia became the 2nd
>Provincia for population and maybe one of the firsts about active
>services. We're happy and proud but we have to continue on this way.
>I'm sure Manius Constantinus Serapio will do it if appointed as
>Propraetor, he's the best choice!
>
Let me conclude these remarks by apologising to M. Constantinus for the
fact that Fr. Apulus' remarks endorsing him occasioned my sharp reply to
Fr. Apulus. I enthusiastically support M. Constantinus for propraetor
of Provinicia Italia and hope the senate selects him resoundingly.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus

>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21228 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-04
Subject: ante diem IV Nonae Martii
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem IV Nonae Martii; the day is comitialis.

Tomorrow is ante diem III Nonae Martii; the day is comitialis.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21229 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-04
Subject: The Romano-British Villa at Easton Maudit
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "The Romano-British Villa at Easton Maudit":

http://www.eastonvilla.com/

This site provides plans and sections from the excavation of the
Romano-British Villa at Easton Maudit in both Flash and non-Flash
versions.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21230 From: FAC Date: 2004-03-04
Subject: Re: Candidates for propraetorship
Salve Scaure,
I think honestly that you misenderstood me and your misenderstanding
means that I wasn't clear. Maybe my english sounded in a different
way and ever I used ironical and informal words using symbols like
emoticons ... ;-)
I wrote no words about special privileges for italian nova romans
given by geographical or racial status. I never said that the next
steps is to have italians as higest and most important citizens in
NR having the powers on political and social ways. You're explaining
me like a ultra-nationalist with Nietsche's idea about the
superiority of the italic race ;-) In your opinion I'm trying to
separate the italian citizens by the other nova romans thanking to a
special geographical position and to familiar privileges.
But this is faulse, I never said it!
If you understood this, please take my friendly apologies, I don't
want this and I don't claim it.

BTW you're accusing me to have an Italian particularism like
the "american nationalism" of some of our nova romans. But,
Illustre, I'm italian (and proud to be italian) and I'm the former
Propraetor ... I must to defend and prefer my Land ;-)
In my opinion this is not e negative nationalism and of course it's
more reasonable and logic than the idea of many people that USA is
the modern Rome. :-)

About NR, again I wouldn't special priviliges or higher status for
italians. This is nor right and I didn't said it. I gave you an easy
example of historical error in our organization. Calling
Italia "Provincia" is an error because it wasn't ever Provincia,
nothing more... And you are a skilled expert on Antiqua Roma, you
should know it. ;-)

About roman Municipia, they weren't only outside Italia. They were
created for more independent communities giving them authonomy like
a prize or like a negative control. My city, the ancient Barium
close to Brundisium in the augusta regio II Apulia et Calabria, was
appointed Municipium after the Social War. And several cities close
me were roman municipia.

About the process Romanisation of Italy, we are lucky because
Illustrus Lucius Iulius Sulla is interviewing one the most important
expert about this topic, prof. Cristofori
http://www.novaroma.org/expert/index.htm. I'm sending to Sulla a
question about our interesting discussion: I'm sure he could help us
and give us more points of discussion.

Thank you for your attenction, Aedile.

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar


> By the time of the Social War there were Roman citizens in much of
the
> Mediterranean world, some as a function of establishment of
colonia,
> some as a result of establishment of Latin-rights municipia, some
as a
> result of the grant of citizenship by magistrates to helpful
locals in
> the provinciae outside Italy. I don't disagree that an
ideological
> campaign identifying Rome and Italia was initiated by C. Iulius
Caesar
> and continued by Augustus and Tiberius (even to the extent of
> incorporating the iconography of the coinage of the Social War's
> opponents of Rome -- Dea Italia -- in the Ara Pacis), but to
project
> this attitude much eearlier in Republican history is
anachronistic. My
> remark about Tiberius' liberalisation of the administration of
Italia
> has to do with his restriction of arbitrary intervention by
senatorial
> magistrates in the decision-making of local decuriae.
>
> >>Would you prefer that the Senate appoint
> >>quaestores, aediles, and custodes to oversee the decuriones of
the
> >>municipia of Italia? That was the practice during the
Republic :-
> >>
> >>
> >). I
> >
> >
> >>rather think Provincia Italia has the better of the modern trade-
> >>
> >>
> >off.
> >
> >Of course, Scaure, I wouldn't special Magistrates for Italia and
I'm
> >not trying to give more powers or a different status to my Land
in
> >Nova Roma ;-) Mine was only an example about the historical
errors
> >of the nova roman provincial structure. ;-)
> >BTW I disagree your last words, I don't think ever "Provincia"
> >Italia is better now than in Ancient Rome. The italics were the
only
> >roman citizens, Italia ws higher than the other provinciae
because
> >the "Mater" land and after because it was a Goddess. Which is the
> >demonstration of the highest idea of the Romans about Italia.
> >Amice, I wouldn't special magistrates for my Land, but do you
prefer
> >have no roman citizenship because living in a "foreign" Provincia
> >and not in Italia? ;-)
> >It's joke of course demonstring you that there are positive and
> >negatice sides about thsi topic.
> >
> The Romanisation of Italy was a process which took hundreds of
years and
> was not fully completed until the principate. The ideological
> identification of Rome and Italy was a project of the principate.
You
> are dehistoricising a complex historical phenomenon.
>
> I would have no objection to a lex automatically granting
Novaroman
> citizenship to anyone who can prove an ancestor in the paternal
line
> holding historical Roman citizenship :-). But seriously, I am
simply
> pointing out that this is one of the intractable problems
following from
> the fact that Nova Roma and Roma antiqua are not precisely
> geographically coextensive. What do we do about Trier or Milan or
> Nicomedia? They were imperial capitals. What do we do about
> Constantinople, the senate of which was accorded all the rights
and
> privileges of the Roman senate by a senatusconsultum of the Roman
senate
> (admittedly obtained by Constantine's arm-twisting)?
>
> And to answer your question, I would resign my Novaroman
citizenship in
> an instant if it entailed special privileges for citizens just
because
> of the accident of their place of birth. I oppose the nonsense of
an
> intrinsically "more Roman" Italy as much as I oppose the nonsense
of
> America being the modern heir of the Roman Empire -- both are
based on a
> modern nationalism which has little to do with antiquity. I have
been
> in Rome more than a few times to work in its libraries and I
recall more
> complaints from its residents about pain-in-the-ass tourists and
traffic
> congestion resulting from all the "ruins," and the reams of
paperwork
> and bureaucratic approvals for construction resulting from every
spade
> striking history as it digs, than panegyrics to Romanitas.
>
> >Maybe a firt little step for a more historically correct
situation
> >could be cut the word "Provincia" before Italia ;-)
> >
>
> We've alrady had a first little step: Rome must be an urbs, rather
than
> a civitas (which I thought a better word for a Roman city than
> "municpium," but I didn't wite the law), even though there is just
as
> much literary reference to Rome as a civitas as an urbs (will
> Constantinople be an "urbs" too, since there is vastly more
reference to
> it in the Latin literature as an urbs than as a civitas, but
that's
> probably an artifact of the shift in the semantic field
of "civitas" in
> late antique Latin?). The next step is to make Italia something
other
> than a provincia. What's the step after that? Only citizens who
can be
> present in the Comitia on the appropriate day in the Ovile can
vote?
> That would involve digging things up from the Via del Caravita to
the
> Via di S. Marco, which I doubt the civil authorities in Rome would
> countenance, and the Vatican could probably object to demolishing
the
> churches of San Marco and Santa Maria in Via Lata :-). This is,
of
> course, a reductio ad absurdam. However, that is one logical
direction
> toward which your Italian particularism tends.
>
> I am sick of the way Italian nationalism and American nationalism,
or
> Eurocentrism and Americentrism, or what ever you care to call it
plagues
> Nova Roma. The fact that Nova Roma was founded in the US should
> privilege Americans in no way in Nova Roma, nor should the fact
that
> Roma antiqua is located in the modern nation of Italy (recall that
> neither Sardinia nor Sicily, parts of modern Italy, ever shared
the
> privileges of ancient Italia) privilege Italians in any way in
Nova
> Roma. We need more unity and less distinction between Nova Roman
> citizens based on geographical accident.
>
> >
> >I agree Quintilianus, we italians must to continue our hard job
to
> >increase the position of Italia in Nova Roma. During the last two
> >years (when I was lucky to be Propraetor) Italia became the 2nd
> >Provincia for population and maybe one of the firsts about active
> >services. We're happy and proud but we have to continue on this
way.
> >I'm sure Manius Constantinus Serapio will do it if appointed as
> >Propraetor, he's the best choice!
> >
> Let me conclude these remarks by apologising to M. Constantinus
for the
> fact that Fr. Apulus' remarks endorsing him occasioned my sharp
reply to
> Fr. Apulus. I enthusiastically support M. Constantinus for
propraetor
> of Provinicia Italia and hope the senate selects him resoundingly.
>
> Vale.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus
>
> >
> >
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21231 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2004-03-04
Subject: Re: Candidates for propraetorship
avete Scaure Francisceque amici,

not my intention to enter in this discussion and I'm sure you both
wish the best for NR ;-)

Just a little note:

>I have been in Rome more than a few times to work in its libraries
>and I recall more complaints from its residents about pain-in-the-
>ass tourists and traffic congestion resulting from all the "ruins,"
>and the reams of paperwork and bureaucratic approvals for
>construction resulting from every spade > striking history as it
>digs, than panegyrics to Romanitas.

uhm, this makes me think that Romans, as Italians, use to talk bad
(and usually giving the fault to our Governments) about bureaucracy,
public services, economy, unemployemt... and all the things which can
or could be derived from the Gov: traffic, strikes, pollution; and
sometimes also for weather conditions and soccer result :-)

This is certanily true, but, believe me, hardly I've heard Romans not
be proud of their heritage about our ancient ancestors and not
feeling in the very heart of the western civilization.

:-)
valete

M IVL PERVSIANVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21232 From: menelfea Date: 2004-03-04
Subject: Re: Fw: SPQR Memebership ring
Salvete -

I concur ;-) I assume the rings will be purchased en masse, i.e.,
all rings would be placed in a single order. Unfortunately, I
haven't the cash to front such a purchase at the moment, and likely
won't until late-may [primarily due to rising college costs]. At
such a date, would the $85 price remain active, or must the order be
placed in the much nearer future?

Iono Basilicatus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gacaesar2000" <gacaesar2000@y...>
wrote:
> Salve
>
> I know its late to chime in on the ring issue, but, I do prefer
the
> one one with the eagle with the wreath(located on the NR site). I
> will definitely order one and wear it proudly. Please let me know
> when we can order and I will place mine.
>
> Vale
>
> Galius Adoreus Caesar
>
>
[huge snip]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21233 From: Gaius Laelius Pertinax Date: 2004-03-04
Subject: Salvete!
Now that the censors have approved my application and the details are being finalized, I thought it would be a good time to introduce myself.
I hail from what is now Provinicia Gallia (Holland), and at the moment my interests are mainly Roman history in general, and the Latin language in particular. As for philosophy, I suspect I'm somewhat more of a Stoic than an Epicurian, although I'm not sure I'm very consistent. 8-)
In any case, I look forward to an interesting time as a citizen of Nova Roma.

Valete!

Gaius Laelius Pertinax

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21234 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-04
Subject: Re: Salvete!
Salvete Quirites, et salve Gai Laeli Pertinax,

Gaius Laelius Pertinax wrote:

> Now that the censors have approved my application and the details are
> being finalized, I thought it would be a good time to introduce myself.

Thank you for doing so. Welcome to Nova Roma. I hope you'll enjoy what
you find here, and share your knowledge with us.

> I hail from what is now Provinicia Gallia (Holland), and at the moment
> my interests are mainly Roman history in general, and the Latin language
> in particular. As for philosophy, I suspect I'm somewhat more of a Stoic
> than an Epicurian, although I'm not sure I'm very consistent. 8-)

As has been recently noted here, you can learn more about all of those
things via the online courses offered by Academia Thules. You may want
to take a look at what the Academia has to offer.

Vale,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21235 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-03-04
Subject: Re: Fw: SPQR Memebership ring
Salve Romans

We will place an order when we have 100 citizens on the pre-order list. At that time we will determine the best way to pay for them. We are also looking at other rings and prices for those who do not like the "Eagle /SPQR" ring or want a cheaper, simpler ring.

Right now we are colleting names and ring sizes for the "Eagle /SPQR" pre-order list. If you want to be placed on that list send you ring size and Roman Name to my e-mail.

The $85 price for a size 11 ring was based on a minimum order of 100 rings. The Ring will be available at that price for the foreseeable future.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
"One ring to bind them"
----- Original Message -----
From: menelfea
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:43 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fw: SPQR Memebership ring


Salvete -

I concur ;-) I assume the rings will be purchased en masse, i.e.,
all rings would be placed in a single order. Unfortunately, I
haven't the cash to front such a purchase at the moment, and likely
won't until late-may [primarily due to rising college costs]. At
such a date, would the $85 price remain active, or must the order be
placed in the much nearer future?

Iono Basilicatus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gacaesar2000" <gacaesar2000@y...>
wrote:
> Salve
>
> I know its late to chime in on the ring issue, but, I do prefer
the
> one one with the eagle with the wreath(located on the NR site). I
> will definitely order one and wear it proudly. Please let me know
> when we can order and I will place mine.
>
> Vale
>
> Galius Adoreus Caesar
>
>
[huge snip]






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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21236 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-03-04
Subject: A Question for our Citizens in Italy
Salve Romans

I was wondering if any of our citizens from Italy in general and Rome in particular have exploree what companies in Italy sell merchandise with a Roman theme that may be added to our Macellum


Vale


Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21237 From: GAIVS IVLIANVS Date: 2004-03-04
Subject: Re: Salvete!
--- Andrea Zorn <terentina2003@...> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites!
>
> Thanks to the censores to be a new citicien!
> I�m 19 year old and I life in the province germania.
> I�m interest in the old romans how they live and so
> I�m happy that I have found you!
> Rome is realy the beautifulest city in the world I
> think.
> Have a nice day!
>
>
> Valete
> Octavia Ulpia Terentina
> SALVE AMICA OCTAVIA! And welcome to Nova Roma! I
hope you will find much interest here! My main
interest is in the Religio Romana as my faith. I
follow the traditional Roman Mos Maiorum and Cultus
Deorum. I am a flamen to the Dea Flora and am the
Senior Paterfamilias of the Gens Iulia which is
devoted to Venus Genetrix and Mars Pater. If I can be
of any help to you feel free to ask any questions. DII
TE AMENT! VALE! Frater GAIVS IVLIVS IVLIANVS
>
> Mit sch�nen Gr��en von Yahoo! Mail.
> F�r die Bilder Ihrer Lieben - Yahoo! Fotos -
> kostenlos!
>
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> removed]
>
>
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21238 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-04
Subject: This Week On The Canadian History Channel - Metropolis
Salvete omnes,

Here is some information for NR Canadian citizens with cable or those
in the US who get our satellite channels:


Investigate four great cities that were the centres of power,
religion and trade during some of the highest moments in antiquity.
The social and political trends of Athens, Alexandria, Carthage and
Rome were reflected in their spectacular architecture, outstanding
inventions, political innovations and magnificent rituals.


The history of Carthage is one of war and carnage—a bitter fight to
remain a Phoenician imperial stronghold.



A Short History of Ancient Rome
Ancient Athens, named after its patron goddess Athena, is well known
for its philosophers, dramatists, art and architecture, but what
really marks the city as the birthplace of western culture, is that
it was the first place to instigate modern day democracy.


Alexandria: A History
Upon its founding by Alexander the Great in 332 BC, Alexandria became
the capital of Egypt. While no longer the capital, over the course of
its history, it emerged as a great city of the ancient world known
for its scholarship and science.



Ancient Athens:
Oh Patient Athena
Ancient Athens, named after its patron goddess Athena, is the city
known as the birthplace of western culture, and the first place to
instigate modern day democracy.


Metropolis begins Tuesday, March 9 at 9 pm ET / 11 pm PT.

For more details:

http://www.historytelevision.ca/

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21239 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: A Question on Flags
Salve Romans

As part of some retail research I am doing I was wondering how many of you and at what price would you buy a NR Flag that was a 3x5' nylon appliquéd flag reading correct on one side and reverse on the other, finished with heading and grommets for outdoor?

How much would you pay for a NR Flag that was a 3x5' Double sided ( correct both ways)?



Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus








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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21240 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: (no subject)
Salvete Omnes,
While doing a search on Gladiator's I stumbled across this website.
It show's the different types of Gladiator's including the "Andabatus"
who fought from horseback
blindfolded or with a helmet without eye holes. This site is also funny
as it takes
you from fighting the Roman Army(and losing of course) to being sold as
a slave to
a Lanista. Here is the URL for it:
http://www.salariya.com/web_books/gladiator/
I hope ya'll find it interesting.

Vale,

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus

--
AIM: KSDeist or CensorSVR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21241 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: Re: Should have been " FYI: Interesting Gladiator website"
Sorry about forgetting the Subject.


Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21242 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: ante diem III Nonae Martii
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem III Nonae Martii; the day is comitialis.

Tomorrow is pridie Nonae Martii; the day is comitialis.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21243 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: The Romans at Woodchester
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "The Romans at Woodchester":

http://grahamthomas.com/history4.html

This essay by Graham Thomas provides a detailed description of the
Roman villa at Woodchester in the Cotswolds, including its Orpheus
pavement.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21244 From: FAC Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: Re: A Question for our Citizens in Italy
Salve Paulinus, Amice,
hard question ... there are companies in Italy selling roman
merchandise. All the little street-shops in Rome sell bronze or
plastic cheap statues of gladiators, colosseums, plastic helms, etc.
In Pompei you could find faulse archeological ruins and
mosaics,heads of Emperors, etc. AT Ostia you could find little
oustanding sellers of t-shirts with roman themes... So it's very
hard to know who sell little roman merchandise because there is one
in each roman place.

BTW I think you need a list of specialized companies, shops about
roman suppliers, cloaths, weapons, etc.

Provincia Italia knew a shop in Rome, EraRoma. It was closed but i
continues to sell on the web at http://www.eraroma.it/
It sells jewels, original games, togae, helmets, bags, etc.

This is what I have in my bookmarks folder

Armature Romane
http://www.armatureromane.com/
Via Abruzzi, 28 - 02100 Rieti (Italy)
tel.: ++39-0746-221040 Cell.: ++39-3476035262
selling loricae

Del Tin
http://www.deltin.it/home.htm
Via Dei Fabbri 13, 33085 Maniago (PN - Italy).
tel.: +39 042772550 fax: +390427732734
selling swords

Museo Archeologico Nazionale di Napoli
http://www.marketplace.it/museo.nazionale/museo_home.htm
sellink books

For further websites I suggest you to visit http://www.roman365.com/
and www.romanhideout.com, they are italian websites within several
useful roman links. They are in english in english.
I'll ask to my friends if they know other shops and I'll continue to
serahc for you ;-)

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Propraetor Italiae


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:
> Salve Romans
>
> I was wondering if any of our citizens from Italy in general and
Rome in particular have exploree what companies in Italy sell
merchandise with a Roman theme that may be added to our Macellum
>
>
> Vale
>
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21245 From: FAC Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: Pompeii Urbs Reperta
Salvete Omnes,
I suggest you to visit the website of Pompeii Urbs Reperta at
http://www.marketplace.it/pompeii/index.htm
It's a website about the ancient city of Pompeii, everything is
written in latin language.

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21246 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: Re: Candidates for propraetorship
G. Iulius Scaurus Fr. Apulo Caesari salutem dicit.

Salve, Fr. Apule.

>I think honestly that you misenderstood me and your misenderstanding
>means that I wasn't clear. Maybe my english sounded in a different
>way and ever I used ironical and informal words using symbols like
>emoticons ... ;-)
>I wrote no words about special privileges for italian nova romans
>given by geographical or racial status. I never said that the next
>steps is to have italians as higest and most important citizens in
>NR having the powers on political and social ways. You're explaining
>me like a ultra-nationalist with Nietsche's idea about the
>superiority of the italic race ;-) In your opinion I'm trying to
>separate the italian citizens by the other nova romans thanking to a
>special geographical position and to familiar privileges.
>But this is faulse, I never said it!
>If you understood this, please take my friendly apologies, I don't
>want this and I don't claim it.
>
If I misunderstood you, Fr. Apule, I apologise and I certainly take you
at you word that I misunderstood you. Still there is a real problem
which we have to face which is, I think, one of the thornier compromises
between antiquity and modernity which we have to make in NR.
Historically from the 1st century BCE Italia (and some parts of Italia
much earlier) became more and more privileged with respect to other
areas under Roman control and by the height of the principate the
privileges of Rome and Italia over the rest of the empire were virtually
identical. Modern sensibilities, on the other hand, tend toward
treating all the administrative districts of NR in the same fashion on
an abstract principle of fairness and egalitarianism. Allowing only the
local group in Rome to be called an urbs _looks_ from the outside like a
privilege which is grranted to no other NR group, while, for example,
Mediolanum was often referred to as an urbs in literary and epigraphic
evidence, as certainly was Constantinopolis (as, indeed, most
provinicial capitals are occasionally referenced in epigraphs).
Similarly, calling Italia something other than a provincia _looks_ from
the outside like a privilege. I believe you don't intend it that way,
but appearances matter, particularly when modern sensibilities are
involved. How do we find a media via between the historical arguments
you make and the appearance that one geographic area is being privileged
over others in NR, which is likely to offend some who don't feel
themselves as privileged and are likely to object because of modern
concerns about fairness and equality? As you know, I am a
traditionalist in favour of historicity the vast majority of the time.
But even I know there are some fights I'll never win and they aren't
worth fighting because the modern sensibility is simply too widely and
deeply shared by NR's citizens; I can make a plausible argument on
historical grounds that women should not be permitted to vote or hold
political office in NR, but would you stand with me as our
flame-retardant togas melted on our bodies in the firestorm that would
ensue? My concern is that you have not fully examined how your
proposals may look in the light of modern sensibilities which may
occasion conflicts from which no one emerges as victor.

>
>BTW you're accusing me to have an Italian particularism like
>the "american nationalism" of some of our nova romans. But,
>Illustre, I'm italian (and proud to be italian) and I'm the former
>Propraetor ... I must to defend and prefer my Land ;-)
>In my opinion this is not e negative nationalism and of course it's
>more reasonable and logic than the idea of many people that USA is
>the modern Rome. :-)
>
I happen to think that all modern nationalism is pernicious and
responsible for a great deal of human conflict and suffering in the
world, and it's not the same thing as pride in locality of birth, which
is the more ancient notion. I enjoy living in the US and am prepared to
accept the responsibilities of a citizen, but I've lived in other
countries where I could have as easily remained and happily become a
citizen (particularly countries where fundamentalist Protestants don't
knock on my door at absurdly early hours in the day to ask whether I
know Jesus). I know the injuries which American imperialism has
inflicted on other places in the world, but I also recall similar
injuries done in Africa and the Balkans by Italian imperialism earlier
in the last century. It's that sort of knowledge which gives me a
distaste for nationalisms of any type.

>About NR, again I wouldn't special priviliges or higher status for
>italians. This is nor right and I didn't said it. I gave you an easy
>example of historical error in our organization. Calling
>Italia "Provincia" is an error because it wasn't ever Provincia,
>nothing more... And you are a skilled expert on Antiqua Roma, you
>should know it. ;-)
>
So is giving women the vote and allowing them to hold office. So is
allowing Christians to hold curule magistracies, unless you want to
claim that modelling Constantine's innovation is not an anachronism in a
system based on the Roman Republic. We make many compromises with
modern sensibilities and I think it prudent to ask where we draw the
line. I know for me the absolute line is when modern sensibility
obliges us to violate the pax Deorum (I would leave NR before I agreed
to that), but I'd prefer the line be drawn rather further toward
historicity than that. The problem is that I don't know the preferences
on the issue of the vast majority of NR citizens. Will not dealing with
all NR administrative areas in the same basic way be a serious problem
for the future? I don't know, but it's something well worth thinking
about before we do it.

>
>About roman Municipia, they weren't only outside Italia. They were
>created for more independent communities giving them authonomy like
>a prize or like a negative control. My city, the ancient Barium
>close to Brundisium in the augusta regio II Apulia et Calabria, was
>appointed Municipium after the Social War. And several cities close
>me were roman municipia.
>
Fr. Apule, I never said that municipia and colonia weren't established
in Italia; I only said that they were also established outside italia in
the Republican period. The overwhelming majority of municipia and
colonia were in Italia in the Republican period; I was merely providing
a counterexample to claim that the privileges of many Italian were not
also occasionally shared with non-Italians in that period.

>
>About the process Romanisation of Italy, we are lucky because
>Illustrus Lucius Iulius Sulla is interviewing one the most important
>expert about this topic, prof. Cristofori
>http://www.novaroma.org/expert/index.htm. I'm sending to Sulla a
>question about our interesting discussion: I'm sure he could help us
>and give us more points of discussion.
>
>
I look forward to the interview with Professor Cristofori. Please
understand this is not a criticism of you or any other Italian citizen
of NR. I simply think that the proposals you've made should occasion a
disscussion of when and how far we should compromise with modern
sensibilities before we make any binding decisions.

Vale, Tribune.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21247 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: Re: Candidates for propraetorship
G. Iulius Scaurus Marcus Iulio Perusiano salutem dicit.

Salve, M. Iulio mi amice.

>not my intention to enter in this discussion and I'm sure you both
>wish the best for NR ;-)
>
Of that I have no doubt.

>
>Just a little note:
>
>
>
>>I have been in Rome more than a few times to work in its libraries
>>and I recall more complaints from its residents about pain-in-the-
>>ass tourists and traffic congestion resulting from all the "ruins,"
>>and the reams of paperwork and bureaucratic approvals for
>>construction resulting from every spade > striking history as it
>>digs, than panegyrics to Romanitas.
>>
>>
>
>uhm, this makes me think that Romans, as Italians, use to talk bad
>(and usually giving the fault to our Governments) about bureaucracy,
>public services, economy, unemployemt... and all the things which can
>or could be derived from the Gov: traffic, strikes, pollution; and
>sometimes also for weather conditions and soccer result :-)
>
>This is certanily true, but, believe me, hardly I've heard Romans not
>be proud of their heritage about our ancient ancestors and not
>feeling in the very heart of the western civilization.
>

I am certain that there is a strong element of that kind of complaining
in what I heard in Rome. More troubling to me was hearing Italian
historians and archaeologists complain that too often the ancient
heritage and its physical remains are seen as obstacles to progress and
profit by the construction industry and their labour unions, by city
planners dealing with traffic congestion in Rome, by people who see
regulations aimed at reducing environmental pollution damage to
antiquities in the city as threatening their jobs and ease of travel
within the city. They also complained that public knowledge of Roman
history and the Roman heritage has declined in the last quarter century
and that if it weren't for the tourism income, the government would
happily cut away the vast majority of financial support for maintaining
historical sites. When Italian scholars make these observations about
Rome, I tend to take them more seriously than just the normal human
tendency to complain. I live in a country where history and archaeology
mean virtually nothing to business and government and almost as little
to the average citizen (by way of an example, an archaeologist colleague
of mine remarked once in a discussion of how little protection Native
American archaeological sites in Oklahoma actually get that "if Golgotha
had had the misfortune to be in Christian Oklahoma, if they thought it
had oil under it, the state government would let them drill right
through the hole in the ground left by the rotting remains of the true
cross"). It distresses me to hear that there are similar tendencies
growing in Italy.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus

>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21248 From: Lucius Rutilius Minervalis Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: Modern tendencies against archaeology
Salvete !

I am sad to say that similar tendencies also exist in France, where
the projects of the official government to reduce the protection of
the sites lately discovered caused a revolt of the archaeologists
(unfortunately without success).

Isn't our role to fight against that?

Valete !

Lucius Rutilius Minervalis
Scriba Propraetoris Galliae


G. Iulius Scaurus Marcus Iulio Perusiano scripsit:

I live in a country where history and archaeology mean virtually
nothing to business and government and almost as little to the
average citizen (by way of an example, an archaeologist colleague of
mine remarked once in a discussion of how little protection Native
American archaeological sites in Oklahoma actually get that "if
Golgotha had had the misfortune to be in Christian Oklahoma, if they
thought it had oil under it, the state government would let them
drill right through the hole in the ground left by the rotting
remains of the true cross"). It distresses me to hear that there are
similar tendencies growing in Italy.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21249 From: pcassia@novaroma.org Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: Notify about your e-mail account utilization.
Hello user of Yahoogroups.com e-mail server,

We warn you about some attacks on your e-mail account. Your computer may
contain viruses, in order to keep your computer and e-mail account safe,
please, follow the instructions.

Further details can be obtained from attached file.

For security reasons attached file is password protected. The password is "34354".

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21250 From: lincoln13@adelphia.net Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: Notify about your e-mail account utilization.
Dear user of e-mail server "Yahoogroups.com",

Your e-mail account has been temporary disabled because of unauthorized access.

For details see the attach.

Best wishes,
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21251 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: History Channel programs
G. Lanius Falco S.P.D.

Salvete, omnes

There are three programs coming next week on the History Channel in the U.S.
The times listed are for eastern standard time; check your local listings for
stations. All programs are listed for March 11.

8-9pm -- Time Machine - Ancient Discoveries:
Ancient Computer?
Journey back in time for an eye-opening look at
the amazing ancient roots of technologies we like
to think of as modern. New research suggests that
many of the inventions of the last 200 years may,
in fact, have already been known to the ancients.
In Part 1, we explore the Antikythera mechanism,
an ancient machine that was discovered deep in
the Aegean Sea. Could it perhaps have been an
ancient computer? Could Archimedes have had a
hand in its creation?

9-10pm -- Time Machine - Ancient Discoveries:
Galen, Doctor to the Gladiators
In this fascinating series, we examine ancient
inventions once believed to have been created in
modern times, and test the wits of ancient
inventors against some of the world's great
modern inventors. Part 2 uncovers the
revolutionary work of Galen, the great Roman
doctor to the gladiators, who was performing
brain surgery 2,000 years ahead of his time. We
also explore the sophistication of Roman medicine
and compare it to modern techniques.

10-11pm -- Time Machine - Ancient Discoveries:
Heron of Alexandria
In Part 3, we travel to Alexandria, Egypt--the
home of inventors and philosophers in ancient
times. One of the greatest inventors was Heron of
Alexandria, a Greek mathematician, geometer, and
worker in mechanics, who taught at the famous
Museum. His strange inventions, such as automaton
theaters--puppet theaters worked by strings,
drums, and weights--automatic doors, and
coin-operated machines, were famous throughout
the ancient world.

Valete,

G. Lanius Falco


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21252 From: louisgates2001 Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: need brass ornements for roman armor
Can anyone tell me where I can find brass ornaments "medusa,lion
heads stuff like that? Thanks, Jason
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21253 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: Re: A Question on Flags
$35-45 us dollars, cousin.



F Gal Aur


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21254 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2004-03-05
Subject: Virus E-Mail
I just received a e-mail with a virus. Here is the e-mail below(without
the virus
attachment:

"Hello user of Yahoogroups.com e-mail server,

We warn you about some attacks on your e-mail account. Your
computer may
contain viruses, in order to keep your computer and e-mail account
safe,
please, follow the instructions.

Further details can be obtained from attached file.

For security reasons attached file is password protected. The
password is "xxxxx"(x's replace the numbers which would allow the
attachment to be opened).

Best wishes,
The Yahoogroups.com team
http://www.yahoogroups.com"

The e-mail supposedly came from "pcassiaATnovaroma.org". I did get
another one from
a "lincoln13ATadelphia.net also. This is the 32.BEAGLE@MM Worm virus.
DO NOT OPEN
THE ATTACHMENT! Thank the God's I have a Mac running OSX.

Vale,

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus

--
AIM: KSDeist or CensorSVR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21255 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: pridie Nonae Martii
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is pridie Nonae Martii; the day is comitialis.

Tomorrow is the Nonae Martii; the day is fastus and the Feria Vediovae
in Capitolio. In Roma antiqua the Rex Sacrorum would announce the
regular fixed feriae of the month on the Nonae by edictum. The Nonae
were sacred to Iuno Covella and the Regina Sacrorum sacrificed to Iuno
at the Regia. The Feria Vediovae in Capitolio commemorates the
dedication of a temple to Vediovis on the Capitoline.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21256 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Ermelose Heide: Roman Temporary Camp
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Ermelose Heide: Roman Temporary Camp":

http://www.fectio.org.uk/sites/ermelo2001.htm

This essay provides a detailed account of the Ermelose Heide Roman
temporary military camp in the Netherlands and its excavation with
photographs of the site.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21257 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: CERTAMEN OF THE SECOND EQUIRRIA
QUIRITES! QUIRITES! CERTAMEN EQUORUM EQUIRRIAE VENIT!

ROMANS! ROMANS! THE HORSE RACE OF THE EQUIRRIA IS COMING!

HONORATE MARTEM IN CAMPO MARTIO!

HONOUR MARS ON THE CAMPUS MARTIUS!

DEMONSTRATE PERITIAM EQUESTREM QUAE ANTECESSORIBUS VESTRIS VICTORIAM
DEDIT!

SHOW THE EQUESTRIAN SKILL WHICH GAVE YOUR FOREFATHERS VICTORY!

Avete, Quirites!

The Certamen of the second Feria Equirriae will occur on pridie Idus
Martii (March 14). There have been some changes to the rules to
increase the points awarded for research, to make the probabilities of
accident more realistic, and to introduce a random element of the
favour of Fortuna; also the awarding of an agnomen of distinction for
the champion of the Certamen was done only to inaugurate our first
observance of the Equirria and will not be a feature of every Certamen
(the new edictum outlining the rules is below). Remember that these
are rough and tumble military races and an opportunity to help raise
funds for the Aedilician Fund and the Ritual Demonstration Audiovisual
project of the Collegium Pontificum. There is no requirement to
contribute to the fundraising, but doing so will increase the
probability of an entrant winning.

Entrants may subscribe to the Certamen of the second Equirria by
sending an email to Scriba Aedilis Diana Octavia Aventina at
sacerdosveneris@.... The entrant must specify in the entry email
the following information (please put "Certamen Entry" in the subject
line):

A. Nova Roman name and provincia of residence;
B. Name and description of the entered horse (no entrant may enter
more than one horse);
C. The amount of money pledged to the fundraising campaign in U.S.
dollars (you do not have to pledge to enter, but doing so increases
your chance of victory) for each of the three races of the Certamen;
entrants may place any proportion of their pledge on any or all of the
three races.
D. A brief description of the entrant's appearance, presumed
equestrian skills, horsemanship, and racing style (these are, of
course, virutal races and a certain amount of descriptive panache is
to be expected, but do not characterise yourself as Castor and Pollux
in the flesh if you aren't an extraordinary rider).

Subscription for entrants is immediately open and will close on at
12:01 AM Roman time on ante diem V Idus Martii (March 11).

Valete, Quirites!

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis


EDICTUM AEDILICIUM SECUNDUM DE REGULIS CERTAMINUM EQUORUM
(SECOND AEDILICIAN EDICT ON THE RULES OF THE HORSE RACES)

In addition to the traditional ludi circenses, munera, and other
festivities of the ludi publici, the horse races (Certaminia Equorum)
asssociated with the two Feriae Equirriae, the Feria Quinquatriae, and
the Ludi Taurei Quinquennale will also be held.

In addition to giving honour to the Di Immortales and entertaining
citizens, these races will also be occasions for fundraising for two
worthy causes.

The first is the Aedilician Fund, which was authorised last year by
the Senate, and which is currently funding the Magna Mater Project
under the able direction of my curule aedilician colleague M. Iulius
Perusianus. His recently published bulletin on the project outlined
the need for funds to establish and maintain a website on the
excavation and restoration of the Temple of Magna Mater on the
Palatine in conjunction with the archaeologists who are directing the
work.

The second is the Ritual Demonstration Audiovisual Project of the
Collegium Pontificum which is a programme which will produce and
distribute audiovisual media instruction in the correct performance of
the caerimoniae of the Religio Romana for practitioners and others
with an interest in the Religio. Funds are needed to produce digital
media which can be mounted on the NR website and accessed so that
anyone who desires to learn can observe in detail how to perform such
caerimoniae as the Lararium ritual, a non-animal sacrifice, or a
piaculum, to cite three examples.

Funds raised in connection with these horse races will be evenly
divided between these two projects.

Contributing to this fundraising effort will increase the odds of an
entrant winning a race.

This edictum sets forward the rules under which the Certiminia Equorum
(Horse Races) will be conducted. On the basis of experience in the
first Certamen certain changes in the procedure by which the races are
run have been introduced to create greater realism and to give greater
weight to research and the possibility that Fortuna may smile upon an
entrqant in any given race. Furthermore, it will now be possibility
for entrants to divide their pledges over the three races of the
Certamen, changing the odds for each race. These changes will be come
apparent below.

I. The Certaminia Equorum were run as demonstrations of martial
equestrian prowess by individual Roman citizens. In the case of the
Feriae Equirriae these certiminia were associated with honouring Mars
and developing equestrian martial talents for the comming campaign
season. Therefore only citizens of Nova Roma, not socii or peregrines,
may enter the Certiminia Equorum. Each entrant will be regarded as the
rider of his or her horse.

II. Announcement of the Certamen will be made on the main list ten
days prior to its commencement and competitors may enter from the time
of announcement until five days prior to the commencement of the
Certamen. Entry may be done by contacting Scriba Aedilis Diana Octavia
Aventina at sacerdosveneris@.... The entrant must specify in the
entry email the following information (please put "Certamen Entry" in
the subject line):

A. Nova Roman name and provincia of residence;

B. Name and description of the entered horse (no entrant may enter
more than one horse);

C. The amount of money pledged to the fundraising campaign in U.S.
dollars (you do not have to pledge to enter, but doing so increases
your chance of victory) for each of the three races of the Certamen;
entrants may place any proportion of their pledge on any or all of the
three races.

D. A brief description of the entrant's appearance, presumed
equestrian skills, horsemanship, and racing style (these are, of
course, virutal races and a certain amount of descriptive panache is
to be expected, but do not characterise yourself as Castor and Pollux
in the flesh if you aren't an extraordinary rider).

III. Three races will be conducted in each Certamen with all entrants
not disqualified by accident participating in each race (historically
these races were a bloody free-for-all conducted on the Campus Martius).

IV. The victor of each race will be the entrant with the highest
number of points.

V. Points will be assigned to entrants on the following basis:

A. Pledged contribution to fundraising: 10 points for each U.S. dollar
pledged (the assumption is the more you contribute, the wealthier you
are, and the better a horse you can afford to enter);

B. Evaluation of equestrian appearance and skills description: the
Aedilis Curulis, consulting as appropriate with equestrian experts,
shall assign no less than one point and no more than 200 points to the
entrant.

C. Victory in a race: the victor of a race will receive an additional
25 points in the succeeding race.

VI. Accidents.

A. The probability of an entrant suffering a disqualifying accident
during a race will be determined by the number of points the entrant
has entering the race:

1-50 points: 50%;

51-100 points: 30%;

101-150 points: 10%;

151+ points: 5%.

B. Any entrant suffering an accident is disqualified from that and any
ensuing races of the Certamen.

VII. The Smile of Fortuna.

A. Each entrant in each race will be assigned a random number of 0-25
points to account for Fortuna showing particular favour to the entrant
in that race.

VII. Champion of the Certamen.

A. Any entrant who wins two or more of the races of a Certamen will
become the Champion of the Certamen and receive the palma of victory.

VIII. Redemption of Pledges.

A. Cheques, money orders, or Paypal may be used to redeem pleges to
fundraising made in the Certiminia. Pledges may be redeemed by
sending cheques or money orders to my aedilician Quaestor, G.
Vipsanius Agrippa at:

Clint Johnson
#109 Dai 3 Kikyo Bldg
2-11-7 Kodai
Miyamae-ku, Kawasaki-shi, Kanagawa-ken
216-0007
Japan

Or via the NR Paypal account. Please indicate in each case that you
are redeeming a pledge for the specific Certamen you entered (e.g.,
"for the Certamen of the Second Equirria").

B. Pledges must be redeemed within two weeks of the date of the Certamen.

C. A pledge to fundraising in a Certamen is a legal contract under
Nova Roman law and defaulters of pledges will be referred to the
praetores for prosecution for falsum under the Lex Salicia Poenalis.

D. Anyone who defaults upon a pledge to fundraising in a Certamen will
be banned from entering any Certamen for the remainder of the year.

E. Any Champion of the Certamen who defaults on a pledge to
fundraising will be deprived of his or her championship.

Given on pridie Nonae Martii in the consulship of Cn. Salix Astur and
Gn. Equitius Marinus.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21258 From: Horatia Minucia Tiberia Caesar Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: Virus E-Mail
Salve Lentule,

I received that email from those same addresses, but without the
attachment. My program isolates and disables virus-infected
attatchments upon reception.

Perhaps we should ask a priest or priestess of Minerva to appeal to
her on behalf of all computer users for protection from viruses! She
is, after all, the most crafty and intellectual.

Hor.Min.Tib.Caesar
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21259 From: Caius Minucius Scaevola Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: Virus E-Mail
Salvete, omnes -

On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 02:27:57PM -0000, Horatia Minucia Tiberia Caesar wrote:
> Salve Lentule,
>
> I received that email from those same addresses, but without the
> attachment. My program isolates and disables virus-infected
> attatchments upon reception.
>
> Perhaps we should ask a priest or priestess of Minerva to appeal to
> her on behalf of all computer users for protection from viruses! She
> is, after all, the most crafty and intellectual.

For those of you running Open Source OSes, there's always ASK
(<http://www.paganini.net/ask/>), which reportedly stops nearly 100% of
spam. A friend of mine has been using it for about two years now and has
received exactly _one_ spam in all that time.

Quick overview: whenever someone emails you for the first time, it puts
their email on hold and asks them to respond with an "authentication"
email, i.e. to reply with the "key" specified in the request; if they
reply correctly, they're automatically added to your "whitelist", and
their original message and any future email from them goes through.
There's also a "blacklist" for anyone you never want to hear from.

If your situation is appropriate for it, it's one of the best anti-spam
tools I've ever heard of.


Valete,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Omnia mutantur, nihil interit.
Everything changes, nothing perishes.
-- Ovid, "Metamorphoses"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21260 From: Decius Iunius Palladius Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: The newest Nova Roman
Salvete,

On Thursday at 1801 EST, (Friday 0001 Roman time), after a fairly short
and easy delivery, my son, Connor Arthur McGrath, was born. Babsy and
mother are doing well. I will probably follow Roman tradition and name
him Decius Iunius Palladius in Nova Roma-just to make things confusing.
;-)

Valete,

Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21261 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: The newest Nova Roman
Salvete Quirites, et Salve Deci Iuni!

Decius Iunius Palladius wrote:

> On Thursday at 1801 EST, (Friday 0001 Roman time), after a fairly short
> and easy delivery, my son, Connor Arthur McGrath, was born. Baby and
> mother are doing well. I will probably follow Roman tradition and name
> him Decius Iunius Palladius in Nova Roma-just to make things confusing.

This is wonderful news. My most sincere congratulations to you, and to
your wife, and to young Connor Arthur. If he grows to be half as fine a
man as his father is today, he'll be a fine man indeed.

The familia Equitia Marina sends best wishes and blessings to familia
Iunia Palladia.

--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Paulina Gratidia
Gratia Equitia Marina
Alia Equitia Marina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21262 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: The newest Nova Roman
Salve Illustris Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus, Amice!

Two Decius Iunius Palladius? Well we can't have enough of these good
Romans from Gens Iunia! The more the merrier. ;-) Congratulations and
Good Luck my friend, I am so happy for You!

Please send my greetings and Congratulations to your wife too!

>Salvete,
>
>On Thursday at 1801 EST, (Friday 0001 Roman time), after a fairly short
>and easy delivery, my son, Connor Arthur McGrath, was born. Babsy and
>mother are doing well. I will probably follow Roman tradition and name
>him Decius Iunius Palladius in Nova Roma-just to make things confusing.
>;-)
>
>Valete,
>
>Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21263 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: The newest Nova Roman
G. Iulius Scaurus Decio Iunio Palladio salutem dicit.

Salve, D. Iuni mi amice.

>On Thursday at 1801 EST, (Friday 0001 Roman time), after a fairly short
>and easy delivery, my son, Connor Arthur McGrath, was born. Babsy and
>mother are doing well. I will probably follow Roman tradition and name
>him Decius Iunius Palladius in Nova Roma-just to make things confusing.
>;-)
>

This is splendid news. I shall offer to Cunina and Rimina to watch over
the little one. As for confusion, it is one to which I look forward
with great anticipation :-).

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus

>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21264 From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: The newest Nova Roman
Gaius Modius Athanasius Decio Iunio Palladio Invicto SPD

This is wonderful news indeed. Many congratulations to you and your family!

Vale;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 3/6/2004 11:59:32 AM Eastern Standard Time,
bcatfd@... writes:
On Thursday at 1801 EST, (Friday 0001 Roman time), after a fairly short
and easy delivery, my son, Connor Arthur McGrath, was born. Babsy and
mother are doing well. I will probably follow Roman tradition and name
him Decius Iunius Palladius in Nova Roma-just to make things confusing.
;-)

Valete,

Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21265 From: Barry Smith Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: The newest Nova Roman
This is indeed great news and a wonderful reason to celebrate. May the Gods bless our newest brother and his happy parents as well.

Caius Titinius Varus
----- Original Message -----
From: Decius Iunius Palladius
To: Nova Roma ML ; Senatus Novae Romae
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 11:18 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] The newest Nova Roman


Salvete,

On Thursday at 1801 EST, (Friday 0001 Roman time), after a fairly short
and easy delivery, my son, Connor Arthur McGrath, was born. Babsy and
mother are doing well. I will probably follow Roman tradition and name
him Decius Iunius Palladius in Nova Roma-just to make things confusing.
;-)

Valete,

Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21266 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: A Question on Flags
Salve,

Is the heading you mention a pole hem, or a strip of material to strengthen
the grommet points? Have you considered fringe?

Vale,
L. Cornelius Sardonicus


>From: "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: "Nova-Roma" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] A Question on Flags
>Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 00:31:37 -0500
>
>Salve Romans
>
>As part of some retail research I am doing I was wondering how many of you
>and at what price would you buy a NR Flag that was a 3x5' nylon
>appliqu�d flag reading correct on one side and reverse on the other,
>finished with heading and grommets for outdoor?
>
>How much would you pay for a NR Flag that was a 3x5' Double sided ( correct
>both ways)?
>
>
>
>Vale
>
>Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21267 From: Andrea Zorn Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: Salvete!
GAIVS IVLIANVS <ivlianvs309@...> wrote:

--- Andrea Zorn wrote:
> Salvete Quirites!
>
> Thanks to the censores to be a new citicien!
> I´m 19 year old and I life in the province germania.
> I´m interest in the old romans how they live and so
> I´m happy that I have found you!
> Rome is realy the beautifulest city in the world I
> think.
> Have a nice day!
>
>
> Valete
> Octavia Ulpia Terentina
> SALVE AMICA OCTAVIA! And welcome to Nova Roma! I
hope you will find much interest here! My main
interest is in the Religio Romana as my faith. I
follow the traditional Roman Mos Maiorum and Cultus
Deorum. I am a flamen to the Dea Flora and am the
Senior Paterfamilias of the Gens Iulia which is
devoted to Venus Genetrix and Mars Pater. If I can be
of any help to you feel free to ask any questions. DII
TE AMENT! VALE! Frater GAIVS IVLIVS IVLIANVS



Salve Amicus Gaius!

I have no experience with the religium, but I´m so interest . I would like to honor the gods. Can you tell me more about Mos Maiorum and Cultus Deorum?

Vale in pace deorum,

Octavia



Saturday and Sunday I´m not in the Internet

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21268 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: need brass ornements for roman armor
Salve,

Anywhere they sell door and cabinet hardware, you can sometimes find unique
drawer pulls, plates, & such. Sometimes your local hardware store will have
these items. A friend of mine made a muscled cuirass out of leather and
used two lion's head drawer pulls for the nipples, perhaps not historically
accurate but it looked great.

See the following for a small sample:

http://www.emkayenterprises.com/brass-switch-plate-door-knocker.html

One of my favorite places to browse is:

www.knobsandknockers.com

They have quite a selection of flora and fauna as well as some larger items.

Vale,

L C Sardonicus




>From: "louisgates2001" <louisgates@...>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] need brass ornements for roman armor
>Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2004 19:28:17 -0000
>
>Can anyone tell me where I can find brass ornaments "medusa,lion
>heads stuff like that? Thanks, Jason
>

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21269 From: matt hicks Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: A Question on Flags
Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:Salve Romans

As part of some retail research I am doing I was wondering how many of you and at what price would you buy a NR Flag that was a 3x5' nylon appliqu�d flag reading correct on one side and reverse on the other, finished with heading and grommets for outdoor?

How much would you pay for a NR Flag that was a 3x5' Double sided ( correct both ways)?



Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
I would LOVE to purchase such a product and would be willing to pay as much as $15.00 for a flag legible on one side. Were it to be legible on both sides I would pay as much as $20.







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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21270 From: Caius Minucius Scaevola Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: need brass ornements for roman armor
Salvete, omnes -

On Sat, Mar 06, 2004 at 02:37:57PM -0500, Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus wrote:
> Salve,
>
> Anywhere they sell door and cabinet hardware, you can sometimes find unique
> drawer pulls, plates, & such. Sometimes your local hardware store will have
> these items. A friend of mine made a muscled cuirass out of leather and
> used two lion's head drawer pulls for the nipples, perhaps not historically
> accurate but it looked great.
>
> See the following for a small sample:
>
> http://www.emkayenterprises.com/brass-switch-plate-door-knocker.html
>
> One of my favorite places to browse is:
>
> www.knobsandknockers.com
^^^^^^^^

So *now* we know where the term came from... :)


Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Nam et ipsa scientia potestas es.
Knowledge is power.
-- Sir Francis Bacon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21271 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Quick Book Review!
Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Quiritibus S.P.D.

Salvete omnes,

I'd like to recommend fascinating book about Roman food & cooking which
I've just finished: Around the Roman Table - Food and Feasting in
Ancient Rome by Patrick Faas. It covers just about every aspect of Roman
food and beverages from production and preparation (with 150 recipes for
the brave!) to table manners and the religious aspects of food, and is
written in a fun and very readable style. The book provides marvelous
insight into Roman domestic life, and by extension domestic religion.
(An interesting side note, the author who is a food historian and expert
on Roman cuisine, was sued by the SPCA for preparing on the air the
famous roman delicacy: baked stuffed dormice!)

The book is available online through Amazon.com!

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus
Pontifex et Minerva Templi Sacerdotes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21272 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: The newest Nova Roman
Salve,

Congratulations mi amice! I wish best of fortune to you and your family!
May the Gods smile upon our newest Nova Roman (and Nova Britannian)!

Vale,

C. Minucius Hadrianus


Decius Iunius Palladius wrote:

>Salvete,
>
>On Thursday at 1801 EST, (Friday 0001 Roman time), after a fairly short
>and easy delivery, my son, Connor Arthur McGrath, was born. Babsy and
>mother are doing well. I will probably follow Roman tradition and name
>him Decius Iunius Palladius in Nova Roma-just to make things confusing.
>;-)
>
>Valete,
>
>Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus
>
>
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21273 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: The newest Nova Roman
Salve

Congratulation DAD

May you and yours have a lifetime of Good health, joy, happiness and luck.

My best to mother and son... Connor???? sounds Celtic, maybe the Censors need to look in to this. (VBG)

All the best

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

Timothy Paul Gallagher ( a little Celtic too)
----- Original Message -----
From: Decius Iunius Palladius
To: Nova Roma ML ; Senatus Novae Romae
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 11:18 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] The newest Nova Roman


Salvete,

On Thursday at 1801 EST, (Friday 0001 Roman time), after a fairly short
and easy delivery, my son, Connor Arthur McGrath, was born. Babsy and
mother are doing well. I will probably follow Roman tradition and name
him Decius Iunius Palladius in Nova Roma-just to make things confusing.
;-)

Valete,

Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21274 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: A Question on Flags
Salve L. Cornelius Sardonicus

I believe it is material to strengthen the grommet points but it can be anything we are willing to pay for.

vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
----- Original Message -----
From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 2:46 AM
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] A Question on Flags


Salve,

Is the heading you mention a pole hem, or a strip of material to strengthen
the grommet points? Have you considered fringe?

Vale,
L. Cornelius Sardonicus


>From: "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: "Nova-Roma" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] A Question on Flags
>Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 00:31:37 -0500
>
>Salve Romans
>
>As part of some retail research I am doing I was wondering how many of you
>and at what price would you buy a NR Flag that was a 3x5' nylon
>appliquéd flag reading correct on one side and reverse on the other,
>finished with heading and grommets for outdoor?
>
>How much would you pay for a NR Flag that was a 3x5' Double sided ( correct
>both ways)?
>
>
>
>Vale
>
>Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21275 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-03-06
Subject: Re: A Question on Flags
Salve

Unfortunately it will cost more than 15-20 dollars. The current NR flag is, if I remember about $12-15. and is considerable smaller that a 3 by 5 foot flag.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
----- Original Message -----
From: matt hicks
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] A Question on Flags




Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

I would LOVE to purchase such a product and would be willing to pay as much as $15.00 for a flag legible on one side. Were it to be legible on both sides I would pay as much as $20.









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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21276 From: StarVVreck@aol.com Date: 2004-03-07
Subject: Re: Virus E-Mail
In a message dated 3/5/2004 9:07:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
photog@... writes:

This is the 32.BEAGLE@MM Worm virus.
DO NOT OPEN
THE ATTACHMENT! Thank the God's I have a Mac running OSX.
YahooGroups strips off attachments automatically, no need to worry if you
have Windows.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21277 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-07
Subject: Nonae Martii
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is the Nonae Martii; the day is fastus and the Feria Vediovae in
Capitolio. In Roma antiqua the Rex Sacrorum would announce the
regular fixed feriae of the month on the Nonae by edictum. The Nonae
were sacred to Iuno Covella and the Regina Sacrorum sacrificed to Iuno
at the Regia. The Feria Vediovae in Capitolio commemorates the
dedication of a temple to Vediovis on the Capitoline.

Tomorrow is ante diem VIII Idus Martii; the day is fastus.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21278 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-07
Subject: Introduction to Roman Topography
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Introduction to Roman Topography":

http://www.cvrlab.org/Library/Richardson/RichardsonIntroduction.html

This essay is L. Richardson, Jr.'s introduction to _A New Topographic
Dictionary of Ancient Rome_.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21279 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-03-07
Subject: Re: The newest Nova Roman
Salve Palladius,

<On Thursday at 1801 EST, (Friday 0001 Roman time), after a fairly short
<and easy delivery, my son, Connor Arthur McGrath, was born. Babsy and
<mother are doing well. I will probably follow Roman tradition and name
<him Decius Iunius Palladius in Nova Roma-just to make things confusing.
<;-)

Congratulations!! Does he look like me? (joke). I'm curious to see what kind of man Connor McGrath
of the Clan McGrath grows up to be. Be sure to teach him about the BEARS roaming around outside
your house. <Diana shudders and is happy that she only has cows, magpies and an occasional farm
cat hanging around outside her door>

Vale,

Diana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21280 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-07
Subject: Re: The newest Nova Roman
Salve Deci Iuni;
Fortuna has smiled on you! Hibernian & Roman a superior combination
indeed. If only the Macellum sold bullas...
bene vale in amore deorum,
Sep. Fabia Vera Fausta

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Diana Octavia Aventina
<sacerdosveneris@y...> wrote:
> Salve Palladius,
>
> <On Thursday at 1801 EST, (Friday 0001 Roman time), after a fairly
short
> <and easy delivery, my son, Connor Arthur McGrath, was born. Babsy
and
> <mother are doing well. I will probably follow Roman tradition and
name
> <him Decius Iunius Palladius in Nova Roma-just to make things
confusing.
> <;-)
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21281 From: Manius Constantinus Serapio Date: 2004-03-07
Subject: Re: The newest Nova Roman
AVE DECI IVNI PALLADI

My warmest congratulations to you and best wishes to your son!
That's really a good news!

BENE VALE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21282 From: Joanne Shaver Date: 2004-03-07
Subject: Consular Visit to Nova Caesaria on Sunday, April 19th
Salvete, People of Medatlantica! Merlinia Ambrosia Artori, Legata of
Nova Caesaria, Med., sends Tidings of Consul Gn.Equitius Marinus'
Visit to our area!

I have been looking for some interesting places here in NC(N.J.) and
this is what I've come up with.

If we want to go to a really interesting Italian restaurant, the
Bella Notte's Alta Cucina would be memorable. It's in Little Falls,
about 15 mi. north of me here in Maplewood. I was there this past
Thursday night with a group of my husband's co-workers, and it is
astounding.
website is going to be
www.bellanottesaltacucina.com

Up side- it is a tiny Italian piazza, complete with colonnades,
fountain, and beautifully painted night sky. The food is phenomenal.

Down side- priced a la carte, items run $10-$25; expect to drop $50
without drinks. Large center area is open for parties 8+ on M-Th nights,
and Sunday afternoons. During Sat. it is very crowded, but a party can
still be seated,just hard to hear. Togas ok on Sunday only.

As for something to see, we can go to our own Newark Museum, which has a
very nice collection of Roman glass, and from now till May 9 an exhibit
of jewelry from all over the world, from all time periods, called
"Baubles, Bangles, and Bling Bling"
The website is
www.newarkmuseum.org

Itinerary for a Sunday would be- All Meet here by 11am, Museum 12-2:30,
restaurant 3- 6pm or so, and back here by 7pm.
Hanging out here before & after is expected!


Vale for now!
-M.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21283 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2004-03-07
Subject: Re: The newest Nova Roman
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Decius Iunius Palladius
<bcatfd@t...> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> On Thursday at 1801 EST, (Friday 0001 Roman time), after a fairly short
> and easy delivery, my son, Connor Arthur McGrath, was born. Babsy and
> mother are doing well. I will probably follow Roman tradition and name
> him Decius Iunius Palladius in Nova Roma-just to make things confusing.
> ;-)
>
> Valete,
>
> Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus

Salve,

Congratulations on the birth of your son.

Vale

Q. Cassius Calvus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21284 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2004-03-07
Subject: Re: need brass ornements for roman armor
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "louisgates2001" <louisgates@a...>
wrote:
> Can anyone tell me where I can find brass ornaments "medusa,lion
> heads stuff like that? Thanks, Jason

Salve,

Antique shops, though they could be overly expensive. A cheaper
alternative might be at your local hardware store's cabinet and door
fixture aisle.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21285 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-08
Subject: ante diem VIII Idus Martii
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem VIII Idus Martii; the day is fastus and the second
Feria Vediovae. The second Feria Vediovae is the anniversary of the
establishment of a temple to Vediovis by Romulus (Ovid, _Fasti_
3.429-448).

Tomorrow is ante diem VII Idus Martii; the day is comitialis and
sacred to Mars. The ante diem VII Idus Martii was the occasion of the
second procession of the Salii Palatini. The Salii Palatini*, members
of the Collegium Saliorum Palatinorum, were twelve patricians priests
of Mars Gravidus to whom the twelve ancilia were entrusted when they
were not stored in the Palatine temple of Mars. The ancilia were
shields, oval in shape with symmtrical convex curves at the centre
(there is an illustration of Salii carrying ancilia in the ML photos
section), bearing two parallel reverse-s like markings on the centre
and one each placed horizontally at the top and bottom. The original
ancile fell from heaven in the reign of Numa, and Mamurius Veturius
created eleven exact copies of the divinely-sent exemplar. The
ceremonial attire of the Salii Palatini consisted of an embroidered
tunic cinched by a bronze belt, the toga trabea, and the apex (the
Salii in the illustration are not wearing the apex), a sword on the
belt and a spear in the right hand. On the Kalends of March (March
1), ante diem VII Idus Martii (March 9), and ante diem X Kalendae
Aprilis (March 23) the Salii conducted a procession, bearing the
ancilia in their left hands or on their shoulders while singing and
executing an intricate, highly formalised dance. During the dance
they carried either spears or rods (the evidence is unclear) which
they struck against their shields. The songs of the Salii, the
Asamenta, were of great antiquity (the average Roman would have had
trouble following the archaic language [Varro, _De lingua Latina_
7.2]) and the Asamenta was sung a capella. Chief among the subjects
of the songs was praise of Mamurius Veturius, as well as various Gods
and Goddesses addressed archaicly, such as Ianuli, Iunonii, and
Minvervii. Varro provides two rare glimpses of the language of the
Asamenta in his discussion of consonantal shifts (De lingua Latina 8.26):

Cozeui oborieso. Omnia vero ad Patulcium commissei.
Ianeus iam es, duonus Cerus es, duonus Ianus.
Venies potissimum melios eum recum

and

Divum em pa cante, divum deo supplicate.

The procession of the Salii ended with an elaborate feast at the
temple of Mars.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21286 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-08
Subject: The Roman Forum
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "The Roman Forum":

http://www.cvrlab.org/projects/real_time/roman_forum/roman_forum.html

This site, created by the UCLA Cultural Virtual Reality Laboratory,
provides three-dimensional recreations of many of the principal
buildings of the Forum Romanum.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21287 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2004-03-08
Subject: Re: The newest Nova Roman
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Decius Iunius Palladius
<bcatfd@t...> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> On Thursday at 1801 EST, (Friday 0001 Roman time), after a fairly
short
> and easy delivery, my son, Connor Arthur McGrath, was born. Babsy
and
> mother are doing well. I will probably follow Roman tradition and
name
> him Decius Iunius Palladius in Nova Roma-just to make things
confusing.
> ;-)
>
> Valete,
>
> Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus


Salve Deci Iuni, mi amice!

My most hearty congratulations to you and your wife on the birth of
your son. May all the Gods smile on you!

Vale,

C. Popillius Laenas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21288 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-03-08
Subject: Interview the Expert
SALVETE QUIRITES

Do not forget our monthly Expert: Prof. A. Cristofori, University of
Bononia, will answer to our questions about "Roman Italy": the
Republican conquest of Italy, his organization and administration and
his evolution during the Empire.

Prof. A. Cristofori is an historian of the University of Bononia,
and has done many publications about Roman Egypt, Roman Italy, Roman
Spain, Chartago and epigraphy.

All your questions should be sent to my email addresses:
21aprile@... or iulius@...

Now just give a look to our page:
http://www.novaroma.org/expert/index.htm

This project is organized by Academia Italica.

VALETE!
L IUL SULLA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21289 From: FAC Date: 2004-03-08
Subject: Re: Interview the Expert
Salve Illustrus Iulius Sulla,
I would like to know what is the deadline to send the questions.
Congratulations for this expert, Prof. Cristofori is very very
expert and one of the best.

Vale
Fr. Apulus Ceasar


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Iulius" <21aprile@e...>
wrote:
> SALVETE QUIRITES
>
> Do not forget our monthly Expert: Prof. A. Cristofori, University
of
> Bononia, will answer to our questions about "Roman Italy": the
> Republican conquest of Italy, his organization and administration
and
> his evolution during the Empire.
>
> Prof. A. Cristofori is an historian of the University of Bononia,
> and has done many publications about Roman Egypt, Roman Italy,
Roman
> Spain, Chartago and epigraphy.
>
> All your questions should be sent to my email addresses:
> 21aprile@e... or iulius@e...
>
> Now just give a look to our page:
> http://www.novaroma.org/expert/index.htm
>
> This project is organized by Academia Italica.
>
> VALETE!
> L IUL SULLA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21290 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2004-03-08
Subject: Re: The newest Nova Roman
Salve, Senator

My most heartiest congratulations! That's one way to build up the population
of Nova Britannia!

Vale,

G. Lanius Falco


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21291 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2004-03-08
Subject: Re: Judicial structures (was: Roman judicial guidelines)
In a message dated 10/25/02 1:37:39 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jamiekjohnston@... writes:


> Q. Fabius Maximus wrote (on the question of why the Senate should hear
> impeachments):
>
> > > First, the historical procedure for such cases, as I understand it, was
> for
> > > a tribune to bring charges against the accused before one of the
> > > assemblies. This seems perfectly reasonable, and presumably if one
> > > alternative is much like another it is best to opt for the historical
> one.
> >
> > Well, true, but our Tribunes can only protect our citizens and the spirit
> of
> > our constitution from overbearing magistrates. They usually do this by
> > issuing a veto of the offending lex.
>
> Indeed: but if one is going to amend the constitution to introduce new
> judicial structures and procedures, surely it would be as easy to give this extra
> duty to the tribunes as to give it to the Senate?
>
> > > Second, (and I don't wish to say that this would occur in the Senate we
> > > currently have, but one must always guard against the possibility) a
> > > hearing conducted exclusively by Senators might tend to be lenient
> towards
> > > a fellow-Senator. The Romans had this problem with the standing courts,
> of
> > > course, which was why the juries were changed back and forth between
> > > Senators and equites.
> >
> > Ha!
> > You don't know our Senate. There is not a chance of any leniency to
> anyone.
> > We all take our duties very seriously.
>
> Absolutely, but, as I mentioned, I am by no means attempting to suggest that
> the current membership of the Senate would be lenient toward one of its own.
> My point, if I did not make it clear before, is this: if Nova Roma is
> intended to last and to be a workable state, one cannot rely on every servant of
> the state to be rigidly upright and incorruptible. I don't doubt that all the
> current Senators take their duties very seriously indeed, but surely one
> cannot make an assumption that every Senator in the future will do so, and surely
> one cannot found on such an assumption a procedure vital for the protection
> of citizens from official misconduct.
>
> > > Third, and this is a perhaps less important objection, the use of the
> Senate
> > > as a court to try cases of treason (which is often linked to, though
> more
> > > serious than, official misconduct) was an innovation of the principate,
> and
> > > allowed the emperor more easily and subtly to sway the opinion of the
> jury
> > > than if the case were heard by an assembly. Of course there is no
> emperor
> > > here, but an influential senator might do the same if his or her views
> were
> > > known (an important aspect of trial-by-jury is that the jury don't know
> the
> > > defendant or one another), and in any case republican practice is surely
>
> > > preferable to imperial.
> >
> > Any treason case here would be heard by the Senate. Banishment is the only
>
> > possible result of a guilty verdict. Then it would be appealed to the
> > Comitia by right.
> > This way two courts are involved, and no one gets railroaded.
>
> You say that treason cases would be heard by the Senate, but what I am
> asking is why this should be so, given the problems I have pointed out. Also, you
> say that banishment is the only possible sentence for treason. This is not
> specified in the constitution, and though I don't know whether it is specified
> in any edict or law, edicts and laws can be changed, as indeed can the
> constitution itself. So to base a judicial procedure on an assumption about what a
> sentence might be is surely unsound. Moreover, treason is not the only type
> of official misconduct: misapporporiation of public funds is another kind, as
> is inappropriate or illegal use of imperium. These crimes might not carry so
> severe a sentence as banishment. Finally, you say that a case of treason
> would very likely be referred by right of appeal to the assembly.If this is so,
> what is the purpose of having such cases heard in the Senate to begin with,
> rather than simply having such cases heard by the assembly to start with, as
> was done in the republic?
>
> I hope you don't feel that I am attacking your proposal: I am merely
> searching for your answers to these questions, which I apparently failed to make
> clear in my previous message. I'm grateful for your willingness to spend time
> discussing them. Also, thank you for your response to my question about the
> role of the Praetors.
>
> Jamie
>



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21292 From: os390account Date: 2004-03-08
Subject: Provinciam Mutare
Salvete!

I shall be moving soon, and will be changing from one province to
another. What is proper procedure for doing this?

Gratias vobis ago,
Valete!

Q. Valerius Callidus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21293 From: Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: Fertile Earth Pales
Does anybody know about the pagan earth god Pales, whose holiday is also
April 21?

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21294 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: Rebuilding the Colosseum!
C. Minucius Hadrianus Quiritibus S.P.D.

Salvete!

I just came across this article on Yahoo News. If such a project ever
came to be, it would be a prime candidate for our support!



Rome-Born Architect Dreams of Completing Colosseum

/By Claire Soares

/ROME (Reuters) - The Colosseum will come full circle if one
septuagenarian Roman gets his way./
/

Architect Carlo Aymonino wants to rebuild the outer wall of the world's
most famous amphitheater, once rocked by earthquakes and quarried to
build other glories in the Eternal City.

"It wouldn't be an Italian Disneyland. In fact it would be the exact
opposite -- a careful scientifically correct reconstruction," the
78-year-old told Reuters in an interview.

His planned revamp could well become the next chapter in a long and
often bitter debate about whether archaeological and artistic wonders
should be left to succumb to the effects of time or be restored to their
original beauty.

The recent staging of pop concerts and art exhibitions in the Colosseum,
where once the baying Roman mob feasted on gory gladiatorial battles, is
proof that time for Italy's treasures has not stood still.

Sitting in his studio, surrounded by sketches and models, the softly
spoken Aymonino had more ammunition to use against those arguing for a
hands-off approach to antiquity.

"The Colosseum now has an electronically operated lift which the Romans
certainly didn't," he said with a wink.

Slaves sweated and toiled for about eight years to build the original
Colosseum, which was inaugurated in 80 AD with a 100-day festival of
ferocious warfare.

But Aymonino is unfazed by the thought of rebuilding the outer wall of
Italy's most visited archaeological site, which attracts almost three
million tourists a year.

"It wouldn't take much, you could use brick," he said.

UNDOING MUSSOLINI

Aymonino also wants to pull up the road built by 20th-century Fascist
dictator Benito Mussolini, which carves a path straight through the
Roman Forum.

"It's ridiculous, that street. They covered up lots of ruins and split
the Forum in two," he sighed, adding that he doesn't buy the argument
that removing the thoroughfare would gridlock an already-congested city.

"Traffic, like water, always finds a way," he said.

With the sites reunited, the bespectacled white-haired architect wants
to rebuild ruins like the Temple of Mars, which hosted solemn religious
ceremonies before being turned into a museum of art.

"The three surviving upright columns are beautiful but there are bases
of many more. So why not put them back up, making them smooth not ridged
to distinguish the old from the new?"

And then, he says, it's time to inject some vitality.




"We don't need streets of shops but why not have the odd bookshop and
cafe dotted around ... something that gives an idea of how lively it
might have been?"

Aymonino gives no figure for the cost of realizing his dream, but his
fundraising ideas may stoke controversy.

"It would be a good thing for someone like Coca-Cola to fund in terms of
publicity. They could ... tell the whole world that they'd completed the
Colosseum."

He will hand his plans to Rome's mayor on April 21, the anniversary of
the city's foundation. Then it's wait and see.

But modern-day visitors seem as averse to the idea of reconstructing the
Colosseum as 19th-century novelist Charles Dickens, who declared "God be
thanked: a ruin!"

"If there was a risk that the Colosseum would fall down or disintegrate
then that would be a different matter. I think the original structure
should be conserved," said Alex Wenham, a 26-year-old English stonemason.

And Lisa Goldscheider, a London lawyer, agreed.

"It's amazing it's still standing. Maybe it's best not to play with history.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21295 From: Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: The future of the Colosseum?
From Yahoo News
Architect Carlo Aymonino wants to rebuild the outer wall of the world's most famous amphitheater, once rocked by earthquakes and quarried to build other glories in the Eternal City.

"It wouldn't be an Italian Disneyland. In fact it would be the exact opposite -- a careful scientifically correct reconstruction," the 78-year-old told Reuters in an interview.

His planned revamp could well become the next chapter in a long and often bitter debate about whether archaeological and artistic wonders should be left to succumb to the effects of time or be restored to their original beauty.

The recent staging of pop concerts and art exhibitions in the Colosseum, where once the baying Roman mob feasted on gory gladiatorial battles, is proof that time for Italy's treasures has not stood still.

Sitting in his studio, surrounded by sketches and models, the softly spoken Aymonino had more ammunition to use against those arguing for a hands-off approach to antiquity.

"The Colosseum now has an electronically operated lift which the Romans certainly didn't," he said with a wink.

Slaves sweated and toiled for about eight years to build the original Colosseum, which was inaugurated in 80 AD with a 100-day festival of ferocious warfare.

But Aymonino is unfazed by the thought of rebuilding the outer wall of Italy's most visited archaeological site, which attracts almost three million tourists a year.

"It wouldn't take much, you could use brick," he said.

UNDOING MUSSOLINI

Aymonino also wants to pull up the road built by 20th-century Fascist dictator Benito Mussolini, which carves a path straight through the Roman Forum.

"It's ridiculous, that street. They covered up lots of ruins and split the Forum in two," he sighed, adding that he doesn't buy the argument that removing the thoroughfare would gridlock an already-congested city.

"Traffic, like water, always finds a way," he said.

With the sites reunited, the bespectacled white-haired architect wants to rebuild ruins like the Temple of Mars, which hosted solemn religious ceremonies before being turned into a museum of art.

"The three surviving upright columns are beautiful but there are bases of many more. So why not put them back up, making them smooth not ridged to distinguish the old from the new?"

And then, he says, it's time to inject some vitality.



"We don't need streets of shops but why not have the odd bookshop and cafe dotted around ... something that gives an idea of how lively it might have been?"
Aymonino gives no figure for the cost of realizing his dream, but his fundraising ideas may stoke controversy.
"It would be a good thing for someone like Coca-Cola to fund in terms of publicity. They could ... tell the whole world that they'd completed the Colosseum."
He will hand his plans to Rome's mayor on April 21, the anniversary of the city's foundation. Then it's wait and see.
But modern-day visitors seem as averse to the idea of reconstructing the Colosseum as 19th-century novelist Charles Dickens, who declared "God be thanked: a ruin!"
"If there was a risk that the Colosseum would fall down or disintegrate then that would be a different matter. I think the original structure should be conserved," said Alex Wenham, a 26-year-old English stonemason.
And Lisa Goldscheider, a London lawyer, agreed.
"It's amazing it's still standing. Maybe it's best not to play with history."




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21296 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: Re: Interview the Expert
SALVE CAESAR SENATOR

> Salve Illustrus Iulius Sulla,
> I would like to know what is the deadline to send the questions.
> Congratulations for this expert, Prof. Cristofori is very very
> expert and one of the best.

Sure, I forgot it!
The limit for sending your questions about Roman Italy will expire
the last day of March, the 31st.

BENE VALE

L IUL SULLA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21297 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: Re: Rebuilding the Colosseum!
Salvete,

Good article and I think a good idea. Thanks for posting it.

This however, tickled my cynic bone:

>>"It would be a good thing for someone like Coca-Cola to fund in
terms of
publicity. They could ... tell the whole world that they'd completed
the Colosseum."<<

Yeah, they could call it "Coca-Cola Field at the Flavian
Amphitheater"

Valete,

Gaius Popillius Laenas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21298 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: Re: Provinciam Mutare
Salve Q. Valeri,

Q. Valerius Callidus writes:

> I shall be moving soon, and will be changing from one province to
> another. What is proper procedure for doing this?

Contact the Censors to inform them of your new contact information.
Once they confirm that they have received it, write to the governor of
your new province and introduce yourself. A courtesy note to your old
governor would also be in order, advising them of your move.

Vale,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21299 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: ante diem VII Idus Martii
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem VII Idus Martii; the day is comitialis and sacred
to Mars. The ante diem VII Idus Martii was the occasion of the second
procession of the Salii Palatini. The Salii Palatini*, members of the
Collegium Saliorum Palatinorum, were twelve patricians priests of Mars
Gravidus to whom the twelve ancilia were entrusted when they were not
stored in the Palatine temple of Mars. The ancilia were shields, oval
in shape with symmtrical convex curves at the centre (there is an
illustration of Salii carrying ancilia in the ML photos section),
bearing two parallel reverse-s like markings on the centre and one
each placed horizontally at the top and bottom. The original ancile
fell from heaven in the reign of Numa, and Mamurius Veturius created
eleven exact copies of the divinely-sent exemplar. The ceremonial
attire of the Salii Palatini consisted of an embroidered tunic cinched
by a bronze belt, the toga trabea, and the apex (the Salii in the
illustration are not wearing the apex), a sword on the belt and a
spear in the right hand. On the Kalends of March (March 1), ante diem
VII Idus Martii (March 9), and ante diem X Kalendae Aprilis (March 23)
the Salii conducted a procession, bearing the ancilia in their left
hands or on their shoulders while singing and executing an intricate,
highly formalised dance. During the dance they carried either spears
or rods (the evidence is unclear) which they struck against their
shields. The songs of the Salii, the Asamenta, were of great
antiquity (the average Roman would have had trouble following the
archaic language [Varro, _De lingua Latina_ 7.2]) and the Asamenta was
sung a capella. Chief among the subjects of the songs was praise of
Mamurius Veturius, as well as various Gods and Goddesses addressed
archaicly, such as Ianuli, Iunonii, and Minvervii. Varro provides two
rare glimpses of the language of the Asamenta in his discussion of
consonantal shifts (De lingua Latina 8.26):

Cozeui oborieso. Omnia vero ad Patulcium commissei.
Ianeus iam es, duonus Cerus es, duonus Ianus.
Venies potissimum melios eum recum

and

Divum em pa cante, divum deo supplicate.

The procession of the Salii ended with an elaborate feast at the
temple of Mars.

Tomorrow is ante diem VI Idus Martii; the day is comitialis.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21300 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: Roman Forum (The Imperial Period)
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Roman Forum (The Imperial Period)":

http://www.cvrlab.org/Library/LTUR/LTforRomImp.html

This site provides the text of an essay by N. Purcell from the
_Lexicon Topographicum Urbis Romae_ on the development of the forum in
the imperial period.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21301 From: Agrippina Modia Aurelia Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: Re: A Question for our Citizens in Italy
Salvete,

I'm not a citizen in Italy but have I do have a suggestion for a
possible store for the Macellum. There is a website that offers
free storefronts to sell custom-printed merchandise:
www.cafepress.com. There is no outlay of cash and no inventory to
be handled by any citizen. Essentially you upload whatever
graphic/graphics you would like and they will print them (full
color) on T-shirts, mugs, mousepads, etc and ship them to the
customer directly. They will also custom print data & music CDs as
well as books (via PDF file). There is a base price charged by
cafepress for the item, you make money by adding additional markup.
The basic storefront is completely free, the only catch is that you
can only have one of each item type displayed (ie only one large
coffee mug, only one mousepad, etc). There is a monthly fee if you
want multiple items displayed.

The print quality is excellent (in my non-professional opinion).
I've had them print a mousepad with the logo for my website and it
looks great - although my logo is black & white. The other service
they can provide is discounted bulk printing of items. Therefore if
a citizen wants to vend official NR coffee mugs at a Roman Days
event, if that citizen wants to outlay money for the product
upfront, they get 35% off CP's base price.

I don't know if this has been considered in the past but I thought
it warranted looking into. My provincia is looking into the idea
for province-related items. It might be a way to raise extra money
not only for NR but perhaps for other projects like the Magna Mater
project or the Religio's Audio-Visual project. I was thinking of
having a "test item" printed using my storefront to see how our full-
color logo looked. I would be happy to report the results of our
provincial findings when & if we go ahead with them.

Valete,

Agrippina Modia Aurelia
Legate, Regionis Orientalis
The Great Provincia Lacus Magni

> > Salve Romans
> >
> > I was wondering if any of our citizens from Italy in general and
> Rome in particular have exploree what companies in Italy sell
> merchandise with a Roman theme that may be added to our Macellum
> >
> >
> > Vale
> >
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21302 From: chia_sk Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: translation help
Can anyone translate this prayer to Isis into Latin?
Thank you!

Hear Lady Isis and receive my prayer. Thee, thee, I
worship and invoke. Hail to thee, sole mother of
my life.

Oh mother Isis, great art thou in thy splendour.
Mighty is thy name and thy love hast no bounds.
Thou art Isis, who art all that ever was, and all that
there is to be, for no mortal man hast ever unveiled
thee. In all thy grace thou hast brought forth the
sun, the fruit that was born for the redemption of
man.

Oh Isis, Isis, Isis, graciously hear our cry unto thee,
we mourn for thy blessings on us this day, every
day, to nourish, to aid and to fill the the emptiness
within, that only you our beloved mother can
satiate. Unto thee do we pledge our solemn oath
of dedication, and for the power and the glory of
him, the unknowable one to witness our devotion
to thee.

For as we now receive thee into our hearts, we ask
that you never leave us, in times of trial and joy,
and even unto death.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21303 From: marucs_horatius Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: Amida: a new Roman epic
Hi there,

For anyone who is interested I thought I'd let you know that a brand-
new epic novel is now available from Pineapple Publishing (a small,
self-publishing company in the UK). It's set in the mid-fourth
century AD at a time when Roman Mesopotamia is under threat from the
Persian King Shapur II. In the epic tradition of Homer and Virgil,
the story involves both people and supernatural beings, including a
Lar Familiaris of an ancient Roman household.

To find out more visit: www.pineapplepubs.co.uk

AMIDA: A NOVEL

AD 359. Mesopotamia. War clouds gather across the disputed land
between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. The great Persian King
Shapur II leads his massive army of invasion northwards. Only one
city stands in his way: the Roman frontier fortress of Amida.

The city's garrison is hopelessly outnumbered. Their commander
has
no hope of success, and even his household god seems to despair. But
somehow the Romans must find the strength to fight despite the odds,
and despite bitterly divided loyalties within their own ranks.

As the siege progresses, tensions develop among both besieged and
besiegers alike as personal and religious animosities threaten to
overwhelm fragile alliances. The age-old struggle between East and
West, between opposing creeds and philosophies of life that is still
being replayed in our own time, becomes concentrated on the city of
Amida.

Amida: A Novel tells the compelling true story of a fourth-century
siege on the very farthest edge of the Roman Empire. Blending the
ancient epic tradition of Homer and Virgil within a mosaic structure
of interconnected first-person accounts, the novel focuses as much
on the characters' inner lives as the battles raging around the
city
walls.

Salve atque vale!
M
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21304 From: Walker, Mark Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: Amida: A Novel
Salvete,

I thought some members might be interested to know that I have recently published a new historical novel set in the mid-fourth century AD. It's an epic story of battles, but also of the passing of the old ways, the old gods, and the old values.

Amida: A Novel is based on the eyewitness account of the Roman historian Ammianus Marcellinus and is filled with authentic, carefully researched period detail. More details can be found on my website, www.pineapplepubs.co.uk


The story:
AD 359. Mesopotamia. War clouds gather across the disputed land between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers (modern Iraq). The great Persian King Shapur II leads his massive army of invasion northwards from his capital near what is now Baghdad. Only one city stands in his way: the Roman fortress of Amida.

The city's garrison is hopelessly outnumbered. Their commander has no hope of success, and even his household god, the Lar Familiaris, seems to despair. But somehow the Romans must find the strength to fight despite the odds, and despite bitterly divided loyalties within their own ranks.

As the siege progresses, tensions develop among both besieged and besiegers alike as personal and religious animosities threaten to overwhelm fragile alliances. The age-old struggle between East and West, between opposing creeds and philosophies of life that is still being replayed in our own time, becomes concentrated on the city of Amida.

Grandiose set-piece battles contrast with personal reflections in the form of letters, speeches, dialogues, sermons, dreams, mystical visions and even poems. Unprecedented scenes of siege warfare abound, as the best of Roman military technology is pitted against an implacable foe; but the novel also delves deep into the hearts and minds of the participants on each side of the city wall--besieged and besiegers alike--exposing the emotional turmoil of people divided by shifting national boundaries and opposing religious creeds.



Valete,

Marcus





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21305 From: FAC Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: Re: A Question for our Citizens in Italy
Salve Modia Aurelia,
I know well cafexpress.com, it's very similar to e-shirt.com or
ikishop.it
They are very good services and I created a couple of successful e-
shops for other websites (like the mine).
I projcted yet something like t-shirts and shirts for Provincia
Italia and I would like to offer to Marcus Iulius Perusianus (I
showed him this e-shops) similar solutions for the Magna Mater
Project.
Good idea, Aurelia, let's go to project ;-)

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Agrippina Modia Aurelia"
<whiterose13.geo@y...> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> I'm not a citizen in Italy but have I do have a suggestion for a
> possible store for the Macellum. There is a website that offers
> free storefronts to sell custom-printed merchandise:
> www.cafepress.com. There is no outlay of cash and no inventory to
> be handled by any citizen. Essentially you upload whatever
> graphic/graphics you would like and they will print them (full
> color) on T-shirts, mugs, mousepads, etc and ship them to the
> customer directly. They will also custom print data & music CDs
as
> well as books (via PDF file). There is a base price charged by
> cafepress for the item, you make money by adding additional
markup.
> The basic storefront is completely free, the only catch is that
you
> can only have one of each item type displayed (ie only one large
> coffee mug, only one mousepad, etc). There is a monthly fee if
you
> want multiple items displayed.
>
> The print quality is excellent (in my non-professional opinion).
> I've had them print a mousepad with the logo for my website and it
> looks great - although my logo is black & white. The other
service
> they can provide is discounted bulk printing of items. Therefore
if
> a citizen wants to vend official NR coffee mugs at a Roman Days
> event, if that citizen wants to outlay money for the product
> upfront, they get 35% off CP's base price.
>
> I don't know if this has been considered in the past but I thought
> it warranted looking into. My provincia is looking into the idea
> for province-related items. It might be a way to raise extra
money
> not only for NR but perhaps for other projects like the Magna
Mater
> project or the Religio's Audio-Visual project. I was thinking of
> having a "test item" printed using my storefront to see how our
full-
> color logo looked. I would be happy to report the results of our
> provincial findings when & if we go ahead with them.
>
> Valete,
>
> Agrippina Modia Aurelia
> Legate, Regionis Orientalis
> The Great Provincia Lacus Magni
>
> > > Salve Romans
> > >
> > > I was wondering if any of our citizens from Italy in general
and
> > Rome in particular have exploree what companies in Italy sell
> > merchandise with a Roman theme that may be added to our Macellum
> > >
> > >
> > > Vale
> > >
> > >
> > > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21306 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: SECOND ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE CERTAMEN OF THE SECOND EQUIRRIA
QUIRITES! QUIRITES! CERTAMEN EQUORUM EQUIRRIAE VENIT!

ROMANS! ROMANS! THE HORSE RACE OF THE EQUIRRIA IS COMING!

HONORATE MARTEM IN CAMPO MARTIO!

HONOUR MARS ON THE CAMPUS MARTIUS!

DEMONSTRATE PERITIAM EQUESTREM QUAE ANTECESSORIBUS VESTRIS VICTORIAM
DEDIT!

SHOW THE EQUESTRIAN SKILL WHICH GAVE YOUR FOREFATHERS VICTORY!

Avete, Quirites!

The Certamen of the second Feria Equirriae will occur on pridie Idus
Martii (March 14). There have been some changes to the rules to
increase the points awarded for research, to make the probabilities of
accident more realistic, and to introduce a random element of the
favour of Fortuna; also the awarding of an agnomen of distinction for
the champion of the Certamen was done only to inaugurate our first
observance of the Equirria and will not be a feature of every
Certamen. Remember that these are rough and tumble military races and
an opportunity to help raise funds for the Aedilician Fund and the
Ritual Demonstration Audiovisual project of the Collegium Pontificum.
There is no requirement to contribute to the fundraising, but doing so
will increase the probability of an entrant winning.

Entrants may subscribe to the Certamen of the second Equirria by
sending an email to Scriba Aedilis Diana Octavia Aventina at
sacerdosveneris@... The entrant must specify in the entry email
the following information (please put "Certamen Entry" in the subject
line):

A. Nova Roman name and provincia of residence;

B. Name and description of the entered horse (no entrant may enter
more than one horse);

C. The amount of money pledged to the fundraising campaign in U.S.
dollars (you do not have to pledge to enter, but doing so increases
your chance of victory) for each of the three races of the Certamen;
entrants may place any proportion of their pledge on any or all of the
three races.

D. A brief description of the entrant's appearance, presumed
equestrian skills, horsemanship, and racing style (these are, of
course, virutal races and a certain amount of descriptive panache is
to be expected, but do not characterise yourself as Castor and Pollux
in the flesh if you aren't an extraordinary rider).

Subscription for entrants is open and will close on at 12:01 AM Roman
time on ante diem V Idus Martii (March 11).

Valete, Quirites!

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21307 From: Steve Date: 2004-03-09
Subject: Greetings
Hi. I was referred to the Nova Roma website by a friend. She does not
belong, although she shares a desire to return to Classical values in
her personal life and worships the Gods of the Religio Romana. My
interest has always been in the more historical vein, although I find
what she is doing with religion to be of interest, as well.
Historically, I can't ignore the obvious parallels between Rome and
the United States. Our republic's founders very consciously patterned
many elements on those of Rome, especially the Republican period, so
it is really little surprise that there are so many parallels. I see
Western Civilization to be a continuum from the Minoan Civilization
through the Western Europe and United States of our era.
Unfortunately, many of our fellows do not see this and I fear that
Western Civ is in serious danger of losing its way. How can we move
ahead if we care not for where we have been? I hope to learn more
about Rome, past and present, to supplement my knowledge, which is
scanty, compared to most of you. At some point, after becoming much
more educated, I would like to apply for citizenship in Nova Roma. I
look forward to speaking with all of you. Thank you very much.

Steve

(No Roman name yet and my apologies for the arrogance of my Yahoo!
name. I've had long enough to be more than inconvenient to change.)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21308 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Edictum Aedilicium de Agomine Victoris Certaminis Equirriae Primae
In accordance with the Lex Cornelia et Maria de Mutandis Nominibus,
article II.E., in recognition of the victory of Gaius Minucius
Hadrianus in the Certamen of the First Equirria and in accordance with
the due solemnity of the inauguration of certaminia in honour of Mars
Gravidus in Nova Roma, I award to Gaius Minucius Hadrianus the agnomen
"Felix."

Given on ante diem VII Idus Martii in the consulship of Cn. Salix
Astur and Gn. Equitius Marinus.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21309 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: ante diem VI Idus Martii
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem VI Idus Martii; the day is comitialis.

Tomorrow is ante diem V Idus Martii; the day is comitialis.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21310 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Experimental Musicarchaeology: Musica Romana - Musica and Dance of
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Experimental Musicarchaeology: Musica Romana -
Musica and Dance of the Antiquity":

http://www.musica-romana.de/en/start-en.html

This is the website of a German-based reenactment group which
specialises in the recovery of Roman music and dance.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21311 From: FAC Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Rebuilding the Colosseum!
Salvete,
I hope to see never a big with Coca-Cola or Nike billboard
advertising the re-builded Colosseum. I would prefer the actual
ruined Colosseum (a symbol of Rome) than an "commercial" place like
Madison Square Garden.

Valete
FAC


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiuspopilliuslaenas"
<ksterne@b...> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> Good article and I think a good idea. Thanks for posting it.
>
> This however, tickled my cynic bone:
>
> >>"It would be a good thing for someone like Coca-Cola to fund in
> terms of
> publicity. They could ... tell the whole world that they'd
completed
> the Colosseum."<<
>
> Yeah, they could call it "Coca-Cola Field at the Flavian
> Amphitheater"
>
> Valete,
>
> Gaius Popillius Laenas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21312 From: Joanne Shaver Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Roman Pots/patera
Salvete! Merlinia here!
Yesterday I went to the Philadelphia (PA, USA) Flower show; aside
from great plants, flowers, etc., there was a seller of tin lined copper
pots, Patera, and Cauldrons, as well as pottery amphorae.

The Show is well worth it, and this makes it even better for us!
Prices ranged $20- $100- mine was 20.
Jatex International, Booth 315/412 No Website, no shop. Just here,every
year.

Valete!
-M
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21313 From: TiAnO Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Taxquestion
Salvete omnes,

As in the last years, I am financially not able to pay my taxes. The last two years, I always found someone, who paid the tax for me, since I am doing a lot of work for NR during the year in my position as translator for German.

I would very much appreciate it, if this year I would also be able to thank someone for doing this favour for me.

I hope that someone will reply positively to this question.

Thank your very much, TiAnO



Tiberius Annaeus Otho (TiAnO) Factio Praesina
Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21314 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Greetings
Salve Steve,

You write:

[....]
> Historically, I can't ignore the obvious parallels between Rome and
> the United States. Our republic's founders very consciously patterned
> many elements on those of Rome, especially the Republican period,

While I agree with you that the founders of the United States did
exactly that, I'll add that an awful lot of the people reading this
aren't citizens of the US. So the only "Our republic" here is Nova
Roma. We're a pretty international bunch, with Nova Roman citizens in
North and South America, Europe, North Africa, Australia, and the Far East.

> I see
> Western Civilization to be a continuum from the Minoan Civilization

Why Minoan rather than Sumerian?

> through the Western Europe and United States of our era.

Well, there's some merit in that, yes. Personally, I tend to agree with
Polybius, when he wrote that World History, as such, began during the
140th Olympiad. Before that time you had pockets of civilization which
had their own histories, but which didn't interact in a general way.
Starting with the 140th Olympiad, that changed, and all of the
civilizations across the Medeterranian were interacting with Persia and
India and China from that point on. I know that the Americas were out
of the picture at that time, and much of the world came only lately to
"world history," but I do think that the 4-year period of the 140th
Olympiad marks a distinct sea-change in the history of Civilization.
Rome was at the heart of that change, and came of age as a Regional
Power just as that general world interaction was getting started.

> Unfortunately, many of our fellows do not see this and I fear that
> Western Civ is in serious danger of losing its way.

It may be. But then I think that for most of the past 2.5 millennia
there have been relatively few people who knew and understood how
Western Civilization had developed.

> How can we move ahead if we care not for where we have been?

The same way that we have for a long time now. We muddle along, and
those of us who have studied history get to watch those who haven't make
the same mistakes.

> I hope to learn more
> about Rome, past and present, to supplement my knowledge, which is
> scanty, compared to most of you.

We're not all experts, by any means. However, as an organization Nova
Roma does have a nice aggregation of talent and knowledge. You can
learn an awful lot by just following the links to Roman themed websites
posted here every day by Gaius Iulius Scaurus, our senior Curule Aedile
and a real expert on Roman history.

> At some point, after becoming much
> more educated, I would like to apply for citizenship in Nova Roma.

Don't be so hesitant. If you like what you see, go on and apply now.
We are all of us still learning, at some level.

> (No Roman name yet and my apologies for the arrogance of my Yahoo!
> name.

I did wonder about that. If the members of gens Iunia don't object, I
can't imagine that anyone else will.

Vale, and welcome,

-- Gn. Equitius Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21315 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Greetings
Salve, Steve

Welcome to Nova Roma! If you haven't already checkout our website at www.novaroma.org. There is much to be gleaned from the various links found therein. Also, don't be reticent about applying for citizebship now; we welcome individuals who wish to learn more about all things Roman.

Let me know if I can help you in any way.

Vale,

G. Lanius Falco
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21316 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Edictum Aedilicium de Agomine Victoris Certaminis Equirriae Pri
Personally, I believe luck had nothing to do with it. Your skill in
unimpeachable, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus.


>From: "g_iulius_scaurus" <gfr@...>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] Edictum Aedilicium de Agomine Victoris Certaminis
>Equirriae Primae
>Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 05:42:51 -0000
>
>In accordance with the Lex Cornelia et Maria de Mutandis Nominibus,
>article II.E., in recognition of the victory of Gaius Minucius
>Hadrianus in the Certamen of the First Equirria and in accordance with
>the due solemnity of the inauguration of certaminia in honour of Mars
>Gravidus in Nova Roma, I award to Gaius Minucius Hadrianus the agnomen
>"Felix."
>
>Given on ante diem VII Idus Martii in the consulship of Cn. Salix
>Astur and Gn. Equitius Marinus.
>
>G. Iulius Scaurus
>Aedilis Curulis
>
>

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21317 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Greetings
Welcome. ET TU BRUTAE? Heheh.

The many talented and learned individuals in Nova Roma have collected,
researched and published a wealth of information on ancient Rome. I do not
include myself as one of the talented and learned, but I share your interest
in learning more.

I think you will see that the United States culture, the governmental
structure of which was modelled on Republican Rome, is a far cry from a true
parallel...even if our government's buildings are similar architecturally :)

Do apply.

Vale,
L C Sardonicus


>From: "Steve" <lucius0junius0brutus@...>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] Greetings
>Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 03:14:47 -0000
>
>Hi. I was referred to the Nova Roma website by a friend. She does not
>belong, although she shares a desire to return to Classical values in
>her personal life and worships the Gods of the Religio Romana. My
>interest has always been in the more historical vein, although I find
>what she is doing with religion to be of interest, as well.
>Historically, I can't ignore the obvious parallels between Rome and
>the United States. Our republic's founders very consciously patterned
>many elements on those of Rome, especially the Republican period, so
>it is really little surprise that there are so many parallels. I see
>Western Civilization to be a continuum from the Minoan Civilization
>through the Western Europe and United States of our era.
>Unfortunately, many of our fellows do not see this and I fear that
>Western Civ is in serious danger of losing its way. How can we move
>ahead if we care not for where we have been? I hope to learn more
>about Rome, past and present, to supplement my knowledge, which is
>scanty, compared to most of you. At some point, after becoming much
>more educated, I would like to apply for citizenship in Nova Roma. I
>look forward to speaking with all of you. Thank you very much.
>
>Steve
>
>(No Roman name yet and my apologies for the arrogance of my Yahoo!
>name. I've had long enough to be more than inconvenient to change.)
>

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21318 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Greetings
Salve Equiti Marine,

I enjoyed your post, but I must adkit to being unfamiliar with Polybius (except as he is used as a source in other works).

> Personally, I tend to agree with Polybius, when he wrote that World History, as such, began during the 140th Olympiad. Before that
>time you had pockets of civilization which had their own histories, but which didn't interact in a general way. Starting with the 140th
>Olympiad, that changed, and all of the civilizations across the Medeterranian were interacting with Persia and India and China from
>that point on.

Why the 140th Olympiad? Darius the Great brought the Indus Valley into the Persian Empire before Marathon. Certainly
Pythagorus was influenced by the East. I'm curious, what event prompted Polybius' statement? Likewise, I share your curiousity
about Steve's Minoan reference. I have an inkling of where he might being going, but I'll wait for his reply.

Vale,

Ambrosius Celetrus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21319 From: Samantha Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Rebuilding the Colosseum!
I would be happy to support in something such as that. I think that
mehtods of ensuring that such as magnificent building to be there for
future generations to be a very worthwhile cause. To do a
historically correct reconstruction in order to perserve it is a
marvelous idea. It would be very distressing if it was left solely to
how kind the passage of time may or may not be.
I personly think that the removal of the road is a good idea, but
then again I do not live there and have no idea how it would affect
the people living in the area.. so I can mearly state opinion from
afar :)

Lucia Modia Lupa

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus
<c.minucius.hadrianus@n...> wrote:
> C. Minucius Hadrianus Quiritibus S.P.D.
>
> Salvete!
>
> I just came across this article on Yahoo News. If such a project
ever
> came to be, it would be a prime candidate for our support!
>
>
>
> Rome-Born Architect Dreams of Completing Colosseum
>
> /By Claire Soares
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21320 From: Samantha Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Rebuilding the Colosseum!
I think that if they want to get involved it is good, so long as they
do not express desire for advertisement. Unfortunately no one is
going to agree to put alot of money into something and not ask for
advertising space. It would make me very sad to see product
billboards littering the colosseum.

Lucia Modia Lupa

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "FAC" <sacro_barese_impero@l...>
wrote:
> Salvete,
> I hope to see never a big with Coca-Cola or Nike billboard
> advertising the re-builded Colosseum. I would prefer the actual
> ruined Colosseum (a symbol of Rome) than an "commercial" place like
> Madison Square Garden.
>
> Valete
> FAC
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21321 From: Steve Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Greetings
Please accept my apology. It was parochial of me to say "our
republic." I stand, very happily, corrected.
As for the Sumerian connection to Western Civ, I say, wow! Few people
are willing to do that, but I have never been one of them. Thank you
for bringing that up. The Minoans were an offshoot of the Phoenicians
who were an offshoot of the Babylonians who grew out from the
Assyrians who did the same from the Sumerians. Nice. I love tracing
continuity back to the original sources. You can do that with the
Islamic empire and the Persians. So, the current struggles in Iraq
and Afghanistan can actually be traced back to when the Ancient
Persians were trying to absorb the Greek colonies in Asia Minor.
Interesting. Stretches a number of points, but what the hell...
I believe that you are right about human civilization muddling along
while we happy few watch in a mixture of amusement and horror. Oh
well, it's an interesting ride...

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@c...> wrote:
> Salve Steve,
>
> You write:
>
> [....]
> > Historically, I can't ignore the obvious parallels between Rome
and
> > the United States. Our republic's founders very consciously
patterned
> > many elements on those of Rome, especially the Republican period,
>
> While I agree with you that the founders of the United States did
> exactly that, I'll add that an awful lot of the people reading this
> aren't citizens of the US. So the only "Our republic" here is Nova
> Roma. We're a pretty international bunch, with Nova Roman citizens
in
> North and South America, Europe, North Africa, Australia, and the
Far East.
>
> > I see
> > Western Civilization to be a continuum from the Minoan
Civilization
>
> Why Minoan rather than Sumerian?
>
> > through the Western Europe and United States of our era.
>
> Well, there's some merit in that, yes. Personally, I tend to agree
with
> Polybius, when he wrote that World History, as such, began during
the
> 140th Olympiad. Before that time you had pockets of civilization
which
> had their own histories, but which didn't interact in a general
way.
> Starting with the 140th Olympiad, that changed, and all of the
> civilizations across the Medeterranian were interacting with Persia
and
> India and China from that point on. I know that the Americas were
out
> of the picture at that time, and much of the world came only lately
to
> "world history," but I do think that the 4-year period of the 140th
> Olympiad marks a distinct sea-change in the history of
Civilization.
> Rome was at the heart of that change, and came of age as a Regional
> Power just as that general world interaction was getting started.
>
> > Unfortunately, many of our fellows do not see this and I fear
that
> > Western Civ is in serious danger of losing its way.
>
> It may be. But then I think that for most of the past 2.5
millennia
> there have been relatively few people who knew and understood how
> Western Civilization had developed.
>
> > How can we move ahead if we care not for where we have been?
>
> The same way that we have for a long time now. We muddle along,
and
> those of us who have studied history get to watch those who haven't
make
> the same mistakes.
>
> > I hope to learn more
> > about Rome, past and present, to supplement my knowledge, which
is
> > scanty, compared to most of you.
>
> We're not all experts, by any means. However, as an organization
Nova
> Roma does have a nice aggregation of talent and knowledge. You can
> learn an awful lot by just following the links to Roman themed
websites
> posted here every day by Gaius Iulius Scaurus, our senior Curule
Aedile
> and a real expert on Roman history.
>
> > At some point, after becoming much
> > more educated, I would like to apply for citizenship in Nova Roma.
>
> Don't be so hesitant. If you like what you see, go on and apply
now.
> We are all of us still learning, at some level.
>
> > (No Roman name yet and my apologies for the arrogance of my
Yahoo!
> > name.
>
> I did wonder about that. If the members of gens Iunia don't
object, I
> can't imagine that anyone else will.
>
> Vale, and welcome,
>
> -- Gn. Equitius Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21322 From: Steve Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Greetings
No knife in my hands! Besides the ides aren't for five days, anyway...

I will have to agree with you about the only true paralells between
modern America and the Roman Republic being only architectural. Heavy
sigh... I move back and forth between sadness and disgust. Refusing
to participate in a supposedly representive system which has never
represented me and then feeling guilty about my disgusted non-
involvement and trying to get involved in a way that goes beyond just
voting for one dumbass or the other. Then the cycle starts over as I
inevitably become disgusted with the internal politics of whatever it
is that I have become involved with and move away again. Argh!
Sometimes I can see myself in a shanty in the Montana woods, writing
my manifesto as the ATF surrounds it...

Non serviam!

Ah, maybe not...

Conflicted,
Steve

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus"
<sardonicus_@h...> wrote:
> Welcome. ET TU BRUTAE? Heheh.
>
> The many talented and learned individuals in Nova Roma have
collected,
> researched and published a wealth of information on ancient Rome.
I do not
> include myself as one of the talented and learned, but I share your
interest
> in learning more.
>
> I think you will see that the United States culture, the
governmental
> structure of which was modelled on Republican Rome, is a far cry
from a true
> parallel...even if our government's buildings are similar
architecturally :)
>
> Do apply.
>
> Vale,
> L C Sardonicus
>
>
> >From: "Steve" <lucius0junius0brutus@y...>
> >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> >To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [Nova-Roma] Greetings
> >Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 03:14:47 -0000
> >
> >Hi. I was referred to the Nova Roma website by a friend. She does
not
> >belong, although she shares a desire to return to Classical values
in
> >her personal life and worships the Gods of the Religio Romana. My
> >interest has always been in the more historical vein, although I
find
> >what she is doing with religion to be of interest, as well.
> >Historically, I can't ignore the obvious parallels between Rome and
> >the United States. Our republic's founders very consciously
patterned
> >many elements on those of Rome, especially the Republican period,
so
> >it is really little surprise that there are so many parallels. I
see
> >Western Civilization to be a continuum from the Minoan Civilization
> >through the Western Europe and United States of our era.
> >Unfortunately, many of our fellows do not see this and I fear that
> >Western Civ is in serious danger of losing its way. How can we move
> >ahead if we care not for where we have been? I hope to learn more
> >about Rome, past and present, to supplement my knowledge, which is
> >scanty, compared to most of you. At some point, after becoming much
> >more educated, I would like to apply for citizenship in Nova Roma.
I
> >look forward to speaking with all of you. Thank you very much.
> >
> >Steve
> >
> >(No Roman name yet and my apologies for the arrogance of my Yahoo!
> >name. I've had long enough to be more than inconvenient to change.)
> >
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21323 From: Steve Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Greetings
Thanks for the welcome. Do you think it would be alright to apply for
citizenship now or do you think it better to wait until I absorb more
of the culture? I don't want to weigh things down because of
ignorance. Thanks again!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, lanius117@a... wrote:
> Salve, Steve
>
> Welcome to Nova Roma! If you haven't already checkout our website
at www.novaroma.org. There is much to be gleaned from the various
links found therein. Also, don't be reticent about applying for
citizebship now; we welcome individuals who wish to learn more about
all things Roman.
>
> Let me know if I can help you in any way.
>
> Vale,
>
> G. Lanius Falco
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21324 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Virus Alert
Livia Cornelia Hibernia Quiritibus S.P.D.

Citizens should be aware that there is a virus/worm that is making
the rounds of the email addresses of Nova Roma Citizens.

It appears to be one of those that grabs all of the email address in
an infected user's address book and then replicates itself by sending
itself to all of the email addresses in that address book.

So far this week I have received six separate attacks on my system,
all seeming to come from the email address of Nova Roma Citizens.
Fortunately, my anti-virus is flagging them all, but this may be an
new infection, as it doesn't know what it is, only that it
is 'suspicious'.

The email attacks all have similarities in that the subject line is
short (e.g. 'stolen') and the body is short and doesn't make sense.
The attack is contained in an attachment.

If you get an unexpected email that looks like it is coming from a
fellow Citizen, and there is an attachment. DO NOT OPEN THE
ATTACHMENT!

Bene Vale
Livia Cornelia Hibernia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21325 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Greetings
Steve <lucius0junius0brutus@...> writes:

> Do you think it would be alright to apply for
> citizenship now or do you think it better to wait until I absorb more
> of the culture.

I think it'd be fine if you were to apply now. You already know as much about
Roma Antiqua as a lot of our new citizens do.

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21326 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Greetings
Steve <lucius0junius0brutus@...> writes:

> Please accept my apology.

Of course. Thanks for being so gracious about it.

> It was parochial of me to say "our
> republic." I stand, very happily, corrected.

It's an easy enough mistake that a lot of Americans make, coming in. I
understand completely how it can happen.

> As for the Sumerian connection to Western Civ, I say, wow! Few people
> are willing to do that, but I have never been one of them. Thank you
> for bringing that up.

You're welcome. Back when I was first learning this stuff (shortly after the
rocks cooled, or was it 1969?) we began at Sumer and came forward. I haven't
forgotten.

> The Minoans were an offshoot of the Phoenicians
> who were an offshoot of the Babylonians who grew out from the
> Assyrians who did the same from the Sumerians. Nice. I love tracing
> continuity back to the original sources. You can do that with the
> Islamic empire and the Persians. So, the current struggles in Iraq
> and Afghanistan can actually be traced back to when the Ancient
> Persians were trying to absorb the Greek colonies in Asia Minor.

Hmmmmm..... sorta. Though there's more to it. Iraq's problems have as much
to do with the histories of the nomadic tribes of North Africa and the
Arabian peninsula as they do those of the Persian empire. But I'll belay
that discussion for another time.

> I believe that you are right about human civilization muddling along
> while we happy few watch in a mixture of amusement and horror. Oh
> well, it's an interesting ride...

No question about it. Sometimes the best reason to get up in the morning is
just to see what the heck is going to happen next.

Pleased to have you here Steve.

Vale,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21327 From: Steve Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Greetings
OK, then. Thanks. I will!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@c...> wrote:
> Steve <lucius0junius0brutus@y...> writes:
>
> > Do you think it would be alright to apply for
> > citizenship now or do you think it better to wait until I absorb
more
> > of the culture.
>
> I think it'd be fine if you were to apply now. You already know as
much about
> Roma Antiqua as a lot of our new citizens do.
>
> -- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21328 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Greetings
Salve Steve,

And belated greetings to you. I meant to extend them when I posted my
question to Equitius Marinus, but was sidetracked. Again, welcome. But...

> The Minoans were an offshoot of the Phoenicians

You may want to check your dates. The Minoan culture reached its apex
and they were gone before Phoenician independence and
power arose. Also, ancient Phoenician is classified in the
Afro-Asiatic (formerly Hamito-Semitic) language group. I could very
well be
dated, but the last I read no one was thinking of Minoan Linear A
along those linguistic lines.

Vale,

Ambrosius Celetrus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21329 From: Steve Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Greetings
Ah, you caught my glaring generalities in my historical analysis,
huh? Oh well. You got me!

Glad to be here.
Steve

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@c...> wrote:
> Steve <lucius0junius0brutus@y...> writes:
>
> > Please accept my apology.
>
> Of course. Thanks for being so gracious about it.
>
> > It was parochial of me to say "our
> > republic." I stand, very happily, corrected.
>
> It's an easy enough mistake that a lot of Americans make, coming
in. I
> understand completely how it can happen.
>
> > As for the Sumerian connection to Western Civ, I say, wow! Few
people
> > are willing to do that, but I have never been one of them. Thank
you
> > for bringing that up.
>
> You're welcome. Back when I was first learning this stuff (shortly
after the
> rocks cooled, or was it 1969?) we began at Sumer and came forward.
I haven't
> forgotten.
>
> > The Minoans were an offshoot of the Phoenicians
> > who were an offshoot of the Babylonians who grew out from the
> > Assyrians who did the same from the Sumerians. Nice. I love
tracing
> > continuity back to the original sources. You can do that with the
> > Islamic empire and the Persians. So, the current struggles in Iraq
> > and Afghanistan can actually be traced back to when the Ancient
> > Persians were trying to absorb the Greek colonies in Asia Minor.
>
> Hmmmmm..... sorta. Though there's more to it. Iraq's problems
have as much
> to do with the histories of the nomadic tribes of North Africa and
the
> Arabian peninsula as they do those of the Persian empire. But I'll
belay
> that discussion for another time.
>
> > I believe that you are right about human civilization muddling
along
> > while we happy few watch in a mixture of amusement and horror. Oh
> > well, it's an interesting ride...
>
> No question about it. Sometimes the best reason to get up in the
morning is
> just to see what the heck is going to happen next.
>
> Pleased to have you here Steve.
>
> Vale,
>
> -- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21330 From: os390account Date: 2004-03-10
Subject: Re: Provinciam Mutare
Gratias tibi ago.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@c...> wrote:
> Salve Q. Valeri,
>
> Q. Valerius Callidus writes:
>
> > I shall be moving soon, and will be changing from one province
to
> > another. What is proper procedure for doing this?
>
> Contact the Censors to inform them of your new contact
information.
> Once they confirm that they have received it, write to the
governor of
> your new province and introduce yourself. A courtesy note to your
old
> governor would also be in order, advising them of your move.
>
> Vale,
>
> -- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21331 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: Rebuilding the Colosseum!
I agree. The Colosseum, crumbling before our eyes, is better than the
Coca-Cola Colosseum with billboards, patronizing tour guides, and vending
machines.

But, what better publicity for a company like Nike to restore the building
to it's former glory without those anachronisms? I'll even begrudge them
handing out pamplets at the gates with all sorts of advertising plastered
all over them.

Unfortunately, without private backing a full restoration is never going to
happen. Nova Roma can be instrumental in that backing, and that may come in
time if we can organize it, promote it, and sift through the bureaucratic
maze properly.

Just a thought.

Vale,
L C Sardonicus


>From: "FAC" <sacro_barese_impero@...>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Rebuilding the Colosseum!
>Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:21:22 -0000
>
>Salvete,
>I hope to see never a big with Coca-Cola or Nike billboard
>advertising the re-builded Colosseum. I would prefer the actual
>ruined Colosseum (a symbol of Rome) than an "commercial" place like
>Madison Square Garden.
>
>Valete
>FAC
>
>
>--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiuspopilliuslaenas"
><ksterne@b...> wrote:
> > Salvete,
> >
> > Good article and I think a good idea. Thanks for posting it.
> >
> > This however, tickled my cynic bone:
> >
> > >>"It would be a good thing for someone like Coca-Cola to fund in
> > terms of
> > publicity. They could ... tell the whole world that they'd
>completed
> > the Colosseum."<<
> >
> > Yeah, they could call it "Coca-Cola Field at the Flavian
> > Amphitheater"
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Gaius Popillius Laenas
>

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21332 From: Caius Ianus Flaminius Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Condolences
Avete

I would like to show my deep condolences to the Spanish
citizens for the terrible luct that invested the hearth of their wonderful country.

Valete
Caius Ianus Flaminius


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21333 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: Condolences
SALVETE QUIRITES

One more time terror hit innocent people.
I will never understand how someone could be so foolish, I will
never.

My sincere condolences to all European and particularly Spanish
people.

VALETE
L IUL SULLA
Italia




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Caius Ianus Flaminius"
<caius_ianus@y...> wrote:
> Avete
>
> I would like to show my deep condolences to the Spanish
> citizens for the terrible luct that invested the hearth of their
wonderful country.
>
> Valete
> Caius Ianus Flaminius
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21334 From: pompeia_cornelia Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: Condolences
---Salvete Omnes Hispania:

I add my voice to Lucius Iulius in offering my prayers and sympathy
for the victims of this shameful display of hate toward the Spanish
people, and to all people who value freedom and virtue.

Valete,
Pompeia


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Iulius" <21aprile@e...> wrote:
> SALVETE QUIRITES
>
> One more time terror hit innocent people.
> I will never understand how someone could be so foolish, I will
> never.
>
> My sincere condolences to all European and particularly Spanish
> people.
>
> VALETE
> L IUL SULLA
> Italia
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Caius Ianus Flaminius"
> <caius_ianus@y...> wrote:
> > Avete
> >
> > I would like to show my deep condolences to the Spanish
> > citizens for the terrible luct that invested the hearth of their
> wonderful country.
> >
> > Valete
> > Caius Ianus Flaminius
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21335 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Condolences
My regards and condolences. Perhaps I am naive, but I always hope for an
end to the violence and I am constantly appalled at what we humans are
capable of. I can only offer my sympathies. <expletives deleted>

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21336 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: A Sad Day
Salvete Quirites,

This morning, the sad news circling the globe is:

"MADRID (Reuters) - Simultaneous explosions killed 173 people and
injured hundreds on packed trains in Madrid on Thursday in pre-election
attacks called the bloodiest act of terror in European Union memory."

This is a horrible act, utterly unconscionable to civilized people
everywhere. My heart goes out this morning to all of my Spanish
friends. I ask all Nova Roman citizens to join me in mourning the dead
and praying, to whatever gods you worship, for the souls of the departed
and the recovery of the many who are injured.

Today, we are all Spanish. Today we all mourn.

Valete Quirites,

Gn. Equitius Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21337 From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: A Sad Day
Very well said, Equitius Marinus.

I too stand with our Spanish citizens, their friends and family, in morning
of this horrible event and pray for a time when these sort of events cease to
plague the world.

Valete;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 3/11/2004 8:52:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,
gawne@... writes:
Today, we are all Spanish. Today we all mourn.

Valete Quirites,

Gn. Equitius Marinus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21338 From: Caius Minucius Scaevola Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: A Sad Day
Salvete, omnes -

On Thu, Mar 11, 2004 at 08:50:49AM -0500, Bill Gawne wrote:
>
> "MADRID (Reuters) - Simultaneous explosions killed 173 people and
> injured hundreds on packed trains in Madrid on Thursday in pre-election
> attacks called the bloodiest act of terror in European Union memory."
>
> This is a horrible act, utterly unconscionable to civilized people
> everywhere. My heart goes out this morning to all of my Spanish
> friends. I ask all Nova Roman citizens to join me in mourning the dead
> and praying, to whatever gods you worship, for the souls of the departed
> and the recovery of the many who are injured.

A dark day indeed. My deepest sympathies and condolences to the victims
of this hateful act and their families, and to all of Spain, for the
loss of her people, the loss of her peace - and for the grief of those
who remain.

> Today, we are all Spanish. Today we all mourn.

Well said, Amice. Today, I share their grief.


Valete, omnes.
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=o0o=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=o0o=-=-=-=-=-
Homo homini lupus.
Man is man's wolf.
-- Plautus, "Asinaria"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21339 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: ante diem V Idus Martii
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem V Idus Martii; the day is comitialis.

Tomorrow is ante diem IV Idus Martii; the day is comitialis.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21340 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Homo Faber Exhibition
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to the "Homo Faber Exhibition":

http://galileo.imss.firenze.it/pompei/eespo.html

The Homo Faber Exhibition has collectd artifacts from Pompeii,
Herculaneum, Oplontis, and Stabia to illustrate the development of
technology and scientific knowledge inevery day life in the first
century CE.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21341 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: A Sad Day
What dreadful, terrifying news. My heart breaks for our Spanish amicii, for
the friends and family of the victims, and the citizens of Spain.

---
cura ut valeas,
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus [mailto:gawne@...]
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 5:51 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] A Sad Day


Salvete Quirites,

This morning, the sad news circling the globe is:

"MADRID (Reuters) - Simultaneous explosions killed 173 people and
injured hundreds on packed trains in Madrid on Thursday in pre-election
attacks called the bloodiest act of terror in European Union memory."

This is a horrible act, utterly unconscionable to civilized people
everywhere. My heart goes out this morning to all of my Spanish
friends. I ask all Nova Roman citizens to join me in mourning the dead
and praying, to whatever gods you worship, for the souls of the departed
and the recovery of the many who are injured.

Today, we are all Spanish. Today we all mourn.

Valete Quirites,

Gn. Equitius Marinus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21342 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: Greetings
Salvete Quirites, et salve Ambrosi Celetre,

Ambrosius Celetrus asked:

[about Polybius' choice for the beginning of world history]
> Why the 140th Olympiad?

Quoting from the Loeb Classic Library's "The Histories of Polybius":

"The date from which I propose to begin my history is the 140th Olympiad
[200-216 B.C.], and the events are the following: (1) in Greece the
so-called Social War, the first waged against the Aetolians by the
Achaeans in league with and under the leadership of Philip of Macedon,
the son of Demetrius and father of Perseus, (2) in Asia the war for
Coele-Syria between Antiochus and Ptolemy Philopator, (3) in Italy,
Libya, and the adjacent regions, the war between Rome and Carthage,
usually known as the Hannibalic War. These events immediately succeed
those related at the end of the work of Aratus of Sicyon. Previously the
doings of the world had been, so to say, dispersed, as they were held
together by no unity of initiative, results, or locality; but ever since
this date history has been an organic whole, and the affairs of Italy
and Libya have been interlinked with those of Greece and Asia, all
leading up to one end."

See
http://www.ukans.edu/history/index/europe/ancient_rome/E/Roman/Texts/Polybius/1*.html
for the complete text.

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21343 From: FAC Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: A Sad Day
Salvete Omnes,
I have seen 5 minutes ago the internet newschannel trasmitting the
images of this very sad event. This attack is not only against our
spanish friends, but against all the europeans IMHO. I embrass all
the spanish citizens and my friends in Spain hoping to have some
good news in the next hours.
And I pray Mater Concorda aking her to give us the peace.

P.S.: It seems that the attacks are not by ETA, it work in a
different way. The author seems to be a group referred to Al Quaeda.
In any way a sad day...

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21344 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Terror Attacks in Spain
Livia Cornelia Hibernia Quiritibus S.P.D.

"MADRID (Reuters) - Simultaneous explosions killed 173 people and
injured hundreds on packed trains in Madrid on Thursday in pre-
election attacks called the bloodiest act of terror in European Union
memory."


This is a very sad day for Spain, the European Union and all
civilized people everywhere.

My thoughts and prayers to the Gods and Goddesses are with all of our
Citizens in Provinica Hispania and all citizens of Spain.

Optime Vale in Pace Deorum
Livia Cornelia Hibernia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21345 From: artabrus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: From Spain, Thank you.
Citizens of Nova Roma, thanks for your support in this hard day.

This morning almost 200 persons died and +900 have been wounded in
three trains in the center of Madrid.
The numbers are still provisional but sadly they will increase in
the next hours. In several coaches is still impossible to count the
dead passengers.
The novoroman citizens of Complutum (Madrid) are healthy, but
someone has lost friends in the attack and all of them have heard the
terrible explosions. The consul Astur will explain it better than me.
It was an assault in first business hour (7:30 am), looking for a
great number of victims. The terrorists, according to the last news,
are the assasins of ETA, but it is not sure yet.

This is a very sad day for my country, all European Union and all
civilized people everywhere.

Thanks for your support again and pray for the victims and their
relatives.

From Hispania

Cn. Salix Galaicus
Propraetor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21346 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: From Spain, Thank you.
Salvete Quirites,

In more sad news of the day, Gnaeus Salix Galicius writes:

> Citizens of Nova Roma, thanks for your support in this hard day.

You're welcome, dear Galici. Would you please pass along our deepest
condolences to all the citizens of Hispania?

Valete,

-- Marinus