Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Feb 11-19, 2004

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21346 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: From Spain, Thank you.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21347 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: The Atttacks in Hispania
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21348 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: The Atttacks in Hispania
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21349 From: Lucius Equitius Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Absurda violentia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21350 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: EDICTUM AEDILICIUM DE RATIONE LUDORUM CIRCENSUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21351 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: Absurda violentia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21352 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Disgust and Outrage
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21353 From: Gnaeus Salix Astur Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Words from Madrid
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21354 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: Words from Madrid
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21355 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: "Aedilis Plebis" M. Calidus please phone home.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21356 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Condolences to Hispania
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21357 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: For Spain
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21358 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Polybius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21359 From: daan kramieri Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: The Atttacks in Hispania
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21360 From: M.Adrianus Complutensis Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: The Atttacks in Hispania
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21361 From: daan kramieri Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Terror attacks in Spain and introduction
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21362 From: a_cato2002 Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Condolences to our Spanish Friends
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21363 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Tradgedy in Hispania
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21364 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: The Atttacks in Hispania
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21365 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Senate Voting Results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21366 From: Joanne Shaver Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: [Fwd: Consular Visit to Nova Caesaria on Sunday, April 25th
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21367 From: deciusiunius Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Condolences for Hispania
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21368 From: deciusiunius Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Thank you for your congratulations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21369 From: H. Rutilius Bardulus Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: The Basque people and ETA terrorists.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21370 From: politicog Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Re: [CPT] Senate Voting Results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21371 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Re: [CPT] Senate Voting Results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21372 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Re: Senate Voting Results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21373 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: ante diem IV Idus Martii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21374 From: FAC Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Re: Senate Voting Results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21375 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: The Rockbridge Bloomery:Smithing a Roman 'Currency Bar'
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21376 From: FAC Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: next races coming soon
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21377 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Tax Payment Information
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21378 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Re: Senate Voting Results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21379 From: L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Oath of office / Juramento / Iure
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21380 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: New file uploaded to Nova-Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21381 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Iuramenta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21382 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Fwd: Latin Translation of the Oath of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21383 From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: "Eagle"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21384 From: Manius Constantinus Serapio Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Re: Senate Voting Results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21385 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Oath of Office/IVRO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21386 From: Manius Constantinus Serapio Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Oath of office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21387 From: pompeia_cornelia Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Re: Oath of Office/IVRO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21388 From: pompeia_cornelia Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Re: Oath of office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21389 From: pompeia_cornelia Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Re: Oath of office / Juramento / Iure
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21390 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Congratulating the new governors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21391 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Oath of office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21392 From: Diana Aventina Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Propraetors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21393 From: Diana Aventina Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Edictum Propraetoricium I
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21394 From: Diana Aventina Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Plans for Gallia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21395 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Re: Propraetors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21396 From: Diana Aventina Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Re: Propraetors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21397 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Notify about your e-mail account utilization.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21398 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Re: Propraetors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21399 From: pompeia_cornelia Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Re: Propraetors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21400 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Ludi Circenses for the Feria Quinquatriae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21401 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: (no subject)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21402 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: ante diem III Idus Martii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21403 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Roman Traction Systems
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21404 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Re: Oath of Office & 1st Meeting of the Hiberni
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21405 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Congratulations to the new governors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21406 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Congratulations the new Translators!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21407 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Consular Edictum: Senate Code of Conduct Commission
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21408 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: (no subject)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21409 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: pridie Idus Martii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21410 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: The Roman Forum of 179 AD
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21411 From: Pompeia Cornelia Strabo Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: Re: [cohors_mip] March bulletin: my parts
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21412 From: labienus@novaroma.org Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: Re: Hi
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21413 From: Diana Aventina Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: Attn Lucius Cornelius Cicero
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21414 From: Diana Aventina Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: Re: Congratulations to the new governors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21415 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: FERIA EQUIRRIAE SECUNDAE - THE SACRIFICES
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21416 From: Lucius Equitius Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: CAERIMONIA EQUIRRIAE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21417 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: REPORT OF THE EVENTS OF THE SECOND EQUIRRIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21418 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: New Propraetors!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21419 From: Steve Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: Re: Greetings
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21420 From: Antonius Nebrissensis Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: Gratias mille
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21421 From: Octavius Giraldo-Vay Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: hispania violentia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21422 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: Re: Congratulations to the new governors
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21423 From: sabina_equitia_doris Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: Gens and Name Change
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21424 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: Re: hispania violentia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21425 From: Thomas Gangale Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: A Roman View of International Relations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21426 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: Re: hispania violentia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21427 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: Gladiator Program's on TV
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21428 From: Thomas Gangale Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: Gangalius's Summer Reading
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21429 From: Thomas Gangale Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: Hostis Humani Generis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21430 From: Christopher L. Wood Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: Re: Ismaili Studies
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21431 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: TV Schedule for "Bloody Rome Week" on the Discovery Channel
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21432 From: L. Didius Geminus Sceptius Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Re: Hostis Humani Generis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21433 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Re: Gens and Name Change
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21434 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Re: Consular Edictum: Senate Code of Conduct Commission
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21435 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21436 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Re: Hostis Humani Generis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21437 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Question about provinciae magistratures
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21438 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Re: Question about provinciae magistratures
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21439 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Question about provinciae magistratures
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21440 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Re: Question about provinciae magistratures
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21441 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Re: Question about provinciae magistratures
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21442 From: L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: I EDICTUM PROPRAETORIUM - Didius Geminus Sceptius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21443 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Re: Question about provinciae magistratures
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21444 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Idus Martii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21445 From: gfrose2000 Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: The Fine Art of Roman Wall Painting
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21446 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Re: Question about provinciae magistratures
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21447 From: fpaini Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: New citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21448 From: decius_equitius_aurelianus Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: New citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21449 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Munera of the Feria Quinquatriae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21450 From: pompeia_cornelia Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Re: Question about provinciae magistratures
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21451 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: EDICTUM AEDILICIUM DE MUNERIBUS FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21452 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21453 From: StarVVreck@aol.com Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Re: TV Schedule for "Bloody Rome Week" on the Discovery Channel
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21454 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: A call for candidates for the Plebeian Aedileship
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21455 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Inscripta in fronte: Penal Tatooing in Late Antiquity
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21456 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: ante diem XVII Kalendae Aprilis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21457 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Caesar's Death
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21458 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Re: Question about provinciae magistratures
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21459 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Re: Fwd: Latin Translation of the Oath of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21460 From: FAC Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Re: Question about provinciae magistratures
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21461 From: M.ADRIANVS COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: OATH OF OFFICE / JURAMENTO / IVS IVRANDVM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21462 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21463 From: Domus Ludus Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Updated Temple of Juno
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21464 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Re: Fwd: Latin Translation of the Oath of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21465 From: Steve Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21466 From: Steve Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Re: Caesar's Death
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21467 From: Steve Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21468 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21469 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21470 From: Caius Minucius Scaevola Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21471 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Re: Question about provinciae magistratures
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21472 From: Steve Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Please read the words, not the hidden assumptions behind them.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21473 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Re: Please read the words, not the hidden assumptions behind them.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21474 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Propraetorship of Nova Britannia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21475 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Oath of office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21476 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21477 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Oath of office (updated version)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21478 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Upcoming Roman lecture and museum visit
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21479 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Returned
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21480 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Oath Of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21481 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: ante diem XVI Kalendae Aprilis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21482 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Bibiliography of the Roman Army as an Institution
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21483 From: mjk@datanet.ab.ca Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Important notify about your e-mail account.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21484 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: A call for candidates: New dates
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21485 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Re: Question about provinciae magistratures
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21486 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Updates and Upgrades
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21487 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21488 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Visiting the Sanctuary of the Magna Mater
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21489 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Re: Please read the words, not the hidden assumptions behind them.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21490 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Aedilian Fund - Magna Mater Project
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21491 From: gaiusnoviodunus Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Gens Nemo. What now?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21492 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Re: Gens Nemo. What now?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21493 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Re: Updates and Upgrades
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21494 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21495 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Re: Taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21496 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Re: Taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21497 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Re: Taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21498 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Re: Taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21499 From: pompeia_cornelia Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Re: Taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21500 From: Caius Minucius Scaevola Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Re: Please read the words, not the hidden assumptions behind them.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21501 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Re: Please read the words, not the hidden assumptions behind them.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21502 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: ante diem XV Kalendae Aprilis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21503 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Vindolanda Tablets Online
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21504 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Re: Updates and Upgrades
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21505 From: Octavia Ulpia Terentina Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Re: Returned
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21506 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Journey in NJ
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21507 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Re: Returned
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21508 From: Horatia Minucia Tiberia Caesar Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: tax inquiry
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21509 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21510 From: sabina_equitia_doris Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21511 From: KECTAM@aol.com Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Tax Payment Information
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21512 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Re: tax inquiry
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21513 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Re: Tax Payment Information
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21514 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Repost: EDICTUM VECTIGALE -- Tax Edictum for 2757 auc (2004 ce)]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21515 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Re: Journey in NJ
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21516 From: Manius Constantinus Serapio Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Edictum Propraetorium I de prorogatione edictorum Fr. Apuli Caesaris
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21517 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: SECOND ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE MUNERA OF THE QUINQUATRIA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21519 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Where is everybody?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21520 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: ante diem XIV Kalendae Aprilis -- Feria Quinquatriae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21521 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: A review of the archaeological evidence for food plants from the Br
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21522 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Opening of the Feria Quinquatria and the Sacrifice to Minerva Sapie



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21346 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: From Spain, Thank you.
Salvete Quirites,

In more sad news of the day, Gnaeus Salix Galicius writes:

> Citizens of Nova Roma, thanks for your support in this hard day.

You're welcome, dear Galici. Would you please pass along our deepest
condolences to all the citizens of Hispania?

Valete,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21347 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: The Atttacks in Hispania
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

For those who may be concerned, consul Cn. Salix Astur is safe,
although he narrowly missed the attack at the Atocha station in Madrid
where he was scheduled to meet with someone from work, fortunately
later than the attack occurred. I have just received an email from him.

During the reign of Vespasian there was a revolt of the Vascones
(Basques) who had been allies of the Romans. Vespasian is reported to
have observed that the only way to deal effectively with such
treachery was to crucify them all, but later concluded it would not be
worth the effort. It is perhaps not a PC sentiment, but I am
sufficiently outraged at this monstrous attack to wonder if Vespasian
wasn't perhaps wrong in the conclusion he reached.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21348 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: The Atttacks in Hispania
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "g_iulius_scaurus" <gfr@w...> wrote:
> G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.
>
> Salvete, Quirites.
>
> For those who may be concerned, consul Cn. Salix Astur is safe,
> although he narrowly missed the attack at the Atocha station in
Madrid
>
Avete Quirites;
Scaure, thank you for posting about Gnaeus Salix's safety, I have
sent my condolences to the NR Hispania list on behalf of the Hiberni,
we met Saturday and one of the topics was how excited we are to go to
Segovia, we are all filled with sorrow & anger at this vile event.
valete
Sep. Fabia Vera Fausta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21349 From: Lucius Equitius Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Absurda violentia
Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Quiritibus

I've just heard of the terrible acts of murder in Hispania. I pray that those who are able will recover and those who have perished will be avenged.

It seems that those horrible Al Queada are claiming responsibility. Cowards, attacking innocent people on their way to work. May they receive the same mercy they show... Words cannot express my sorrow, and anger.

I pray for our Spanish friends and their families.

Valete

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21350 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: EDICTUM AEDILICIUM DE RATIONE LUDORUM CIRCENSUM
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salve, Quirites.

Below you will find the edictum outlining the rules for the Ludi
Circenses presented by the Aediles Curules this year. Whether the
ludi offered by the Aediles Plebei will operate under the same rules
has not yet been fully decided. There are a few changes this year.
Serious sanctions have been instituted for those caught engaging in
dirty actions and faux-sesterces, which can be spent to support or
defend against dirty actions, have been created (it will also be
possible to obtain such faux-sesterces through participation in
munera). My colleague, M. Iulius, and I have made these changes in
response to suggestions from numerous citizens who participated in the
ludi circenses last year and we hope they will enhance the enjoyment
of the circenses by all.

The first Ludi Circenses of the year will begin with those of the
Quinquatria on ante diem XII Kalendae Aprilis (March 21). Because of
the lateness of the promulgation of this edictum, subscriptions for
the Ludi Circenses of the quinquatria will be accepted until 12:01 AM,
Roman time, on ante diem XVII Kalendae Aprilis (March 16).

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis

EDICTUM AEDILICIUM DE RATIONE LUDORUM CIRCENSUM

I. Any Nova Roman citizen or socius who is not under Aedilician
sanction may take part in the Ludi Circenses organised by the Aediles
Curules. Each citizen may enter no more than one chariot per ludi.

II. An entrant who wishes to participate in the Ludi Circenses must
send a subscription to D. Octavia Aventina at sacerdosveneris@...
no less than one week prior to the commencement of the ludi. Each
subscription must bear the subject header "Ludi Circenses" and include
the following information:

A. His/her name in Nova Roma;

B. The name of his/her driver;

C. The name of his/her chariot;

D. His/her tactics for the Quarter and Semifinals;

E. His/her tactics for the Finals;

F. The name of his/her "factio" or team (Albata, Praesina, Russata,
or Veneta);

G. Dirty actions against another factio in a specific round
(quarter-final, semi-final, or final) and amount of sesterces paid in
support of it (an entrant does not have to pay sesterces to commission
a dirty action, but doing so increases the chances of success);

H. Defence against dirty actions in a specific round (quarter-final,
semi-final, or final) and amount of sesterces paid in support of it
(an entrant does not have to pay sesterces to defend against a dirty
action, but doing so decreases the chances of success of the dirty
action);

I. If sesterces from multiple entrants are pooled to take a dirty
action or defend against a dirty action, the subscription of each
entrant of the pool must so indicate.

III. Tactics: Four (4) race tactics are possible:

A. To hurry in the last laps

B. To pass the curves closely the "spina" of the circus.

C. To support a constant pace

D. To lash the rivals

E. To push the rivals to the wall of the circus

F. To hurry in the straight lines

IV. Dirty actions.

A. An entrant can try the assassination of the driver of a rival
factio or the sabotage of his/her chariot.

1. Assassination of the driver of a rival factio. The entrant must
specify which factio he/she attacks. The base chance of success is 30
%. If the attempt fails it is is discovered and the name of the
entrant who commissioned the assassination and those who contributed
sesterces in support of the assassination will be announced and
subject to disciplinary action by the Aediles Curules. Such
disciplinary action may include disqualification from the current
ludi, banning from future ludi for a specified period of time, or
banning from participation in the ludi for the remainder of the year.
The decision of the Aediles Curules in such matters is final. If the
attempt is successful, the player with the murdered driver cannot take
part in the race and the murderer remains undiscovered.

2. Sabotage of a chariot. The entrant must specify which factio
he/she attacks. The base chance is 45 %. If the attempt is
unsuccessful, it is discovered and the name of the entrant who
commissioned the assassination and those who contributed sesterces in
support of the sabotage will be announced and subject to disciplinary
action by the Aediles Curules. Such disciplinary action may include
disqualification from the current ludi, banning from future ludi for a
specified period of time, or banning from participation in the ludi
for the remainder of the year. The decision of the Aediles Curules in
such matters is final. If the attempt is successful, the player with
the broken chariot will have an accident in the race.

B. Defence against and support for dirty actions. Each entrant shall
receive one hundred sesterces for each ludi. These sesterces may be
used in any round of any race, accumulated from race to race, or
accumulated from other entertainments (e.g., official-sponsored
wagering on munera). These sesterces are not redeemable in Nova Roman
or any other currency and may not be used outside the ways specified
in this edictum. The Aediles Curules shall record the number of
sesterces held and expended by each entrant and their computations
shall be final and unappealable. The sesterces may be expended in any
of the following ways:

1. Application of one hundred sesterces by any entrant to defence of
his/her driver and chariot will render the driver and chariot immune
for one round in the ludi;

2. Entrants from the same factio may pool their sesterces for defence
in a round; for every one hundred sesterces pooled, the chance of
success of a dirty action against that factio is reduced by 5% in that
round.

3. Entrants may pool their sesterces for offence in a round; for
every one hundred sesterces pooled, the chance of success of a dirty
action against the targeted factio is increased by 5% in that round.

V. Organisation of Competition.

A. There will be three rounds to each competition: quarter,
semi-finals, and final.

B. The competition will be for elimination in each round. Every race
will involve no more than four entrants.

C. In the Quarter rounds there will be one entrant from each factio
in each race, unless there are too few entrants from a factio to make
this possible. The first two first place entrants shall advance to
the semi-final round; the remaining two entrants will be eliminated.

D. In the Semifinal round the winners of the Quarter rounds shall
compete. The winning entrants of the Semi-final rounds shall advance
to the final.

E. In the Final round the four best players race; the first place
entrant shall be the winner of the ludi.

VI. Computation of victory.

A. Accidents.

1. Before doing the calculations of a race, the Aediles Curules
determine who has an accident. For it, they roll one dice 0-100 for
every chariot. The resultant number will be its percentage of accident:

- The drivers with tactics 1 will have 0 to 15 percentage of accident
always. 0 to 25 if there are one or more drivers with tactics 4 or 5.

- The drivers with tactics 2 will have 0 to 20 percentage of accident
always. 0 to 35 if there are one or more drivers with tactics 4 or 5.

- The drivers with tactics 3 will have 0 to 10 percentage always.

- The drivers with tactics 4 will have 0 to 15 percentage always. 0 to
25 if there are other drivers with tactics 4.

- The drivers with tactics 5 will have 0 to 15 always. 0 to 25 if
there are other drivers with tactics 5.

- The drivers with tactics 6 will have 0 to 5 percentage always. 0 to
20 if there are other drivers with tactics 4 or 5.

B. Calculation of the races.

1. The Aediles Curules shall determine whether any dirty actions are
successful. If a dirty action is determined to be successful, a
chariot shall be eliminated by lot from among the entrants of the
targeted factio and either declare the driver assassinated or that an
accident caused by sabotage has occurred.

2. After determining which chariots (if any) have been eliminated
from a race due to an accident, the Aediles Curules must calculate the
order in which the remaining teams finished the race.

3. The Aediles Curules will roll one die 0-10 for every entrant. This
will be the Value of Race (VR) of every car.

4. To know the final position of a chariot in the race the VR of
every player is divided by the sum of all the VR and the result is
multiplied by 50. This ewstablishes each entrant's Chance to Win (CW).
For example, if there is a race with 4 chariots with these VR: 6,5,4,2
then the first chariot, with the VR 6, would have the following Chance
to to Win: 6/17 (17 is the sum of 6+5+4+2) x 50 = 17.6 (rounding, 18).
The CW of the first chariot will be 18 points. The second chariot,
with VR 5, would have 5/17x50 = 14.7 (rounding, 15), therefore its CW
is 15 points.

5. The tactics modify the CW of the following way:

Tactics 1) +6 points.

Tactics 2) +8 points.

Tactics 3) No points. The tactics 4 and 5 do not affect it.

Tactics 4) +2 points. The tactics 5 do not affect it.

Tactics 5) +2 points. The tactics 4 do not affect it.

Tactics 6) +4 points.

For example, the Aediles Curules assign each entrant a specific range
of numbers out of a series of 100 that is equal to the entrant's
Chance to Win. They assign these team ranges consecutively. In our
sample race, for example, Chariot 1's range (with tactics 2) would be
01 through 25 (18+7). Chariot 2's range (with tactics 4) would be 26
through 40.

6. In the final step the Aediles Curules will roll a die 0-100 to
determine the order of finish. The chariot within whose range the
first dice 0-100 roll falls is the team that finishes the race in
first place. The chariot within whose range the second dice 0-100 roll
falls is the team that finishes the race in second place. The chariot
within whose range the third D100 roll falls is the chariot that
finishes the race in third place, and so on. Once a chariot's position
has been determined, subsequent rolls that fall within its range are
ignored and the Aediles Curules roll again.

VII. Automatic computation of results by computer in accordance with
the rules established herein is permitted.

VIII. This edictum takes effect immediately.

Given on ante diem V Idus Martii in the consulship of Cn. Salix Astur
and Gn. Equitius Marinus.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis

M. Iulius Perusianus
Aedilis Curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21351 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: Absurda violentia
>
> I pray for our Spanish friends and their families.
>
> Valete
>
>

Salvete Quirites;
to all those Spanish-speaking cives and Latin ones too, please
post your condolences on the NRHispania list, it means a lot to the
Hispani to know they are in our thoughts and prayers, my
paterfamilias and gens mate are from Hispania and I made sure they
knew the Hiberni are one with them in their sorrow.
Also I have posted a historical prayer in English and Latin at the
Religio site asking for the protection of Magna Mater, the
protectress of Roma and all Romani. Amazingly there is a plaza de
Cibleles in Madrid with a Renaissance statue of Cyblele in her car
attended by lions. you can see it here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cybele
valete Sep. Fabia Vera Fausta,
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21352 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Disgust and Outrage
Salvete,

Disgust, outrage, sadness, worry; just some several thoughts went
through my mind as I learned the news of the horror coming from
Madrid. I don't think there are enough words in any language to
describe my feelings about this latest terrorist attack.

Nova Romans of Hispania please accept my condolences and and outrage
over the most vile and disgusting act of terrorism against your people.

Valete,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21353 From: Gnaeus Salix Astur Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Words from Madrid
Cn. Salix Astur Quiritibus S.P.D.

First of all, let me please thank you, in the name of the citizens of
Nova Roma who reside in the area of Madrid, and in the name of all
Madrilians, for your words of condolence and support. It has been a
very, very hard day.

You all already know pretty well what happened. A still unidentified
group of lunatics (may the Dii Infernales take them whomever they
are) has placed several bombs in three trains of the Madrilian
metropolitan transport system and has made them explode in the middle
of the rush hour, when those trains were full of people commuting to
work. Their objective was to destroy the main railway station of
Madrid (Atocha station), that probably held over 5,000 people at the
time. Luckily (if such an expression can be applied to such an
unfortunate event), they have failed. But the damage they have
managed to inflict has still been staggering.

Apparently, the citizens of Nova Roma in Madrid have not been injured
(although some came pretty close, like myself, who only missed the
attack for less than an hour). But some have lost friends to the
foolish dreams of a bunch of fanatics. My heart is with them and
their relatives.

The best thing of the day has been the response of the citizens of
Madrid to the tragedy. Not only have most people kept their calm and
have not succumbed to the terror that was the ultimate goal of the
inhuman beasts that perpetrated this crime, but they have shown huge
amounts of courage, strength and solidarity. Health services have had
to announce on TV that no more blood was needed and that no more
volunteers were necessary after the tens of thousands that presented
themselves in the volunteer points covered all the needs of the day.
Taxi drivers have given free rides to the relatives of the victims to
the hospitals. Hotels have offered 4,000 free beds for the relatives
of the victims that have to come from outside Madrid. Restaurants
have prepared free meals for the volunteers in the rescue and health
efforts. Today I feel proud of my neighbours.

As the night closes over pain-striken Madrid, I can only hope that
tomorrow will be a better day. Thank you very much for your kind
words. May the Dii Immortales protect us all.

S.V.B.E.E.V.
CN.SALIX.T.F.A.NEP.OVF.ASTVR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21354 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: Words from Madrid
Avete Astur et Hispanici,

I'd like to join all the people who offered their condolence. It was
a very sad day. We are with you!

valete
Marcus Iulius Perusianus
Aedilis Curulis

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Salix Astur"
<salixastur@y...> wrote:
> Cn. Salix Astur Quiritibus S.P.D.
>
> First of all, let me please thank you, in the name of the citizens
of
> Nova Roma who reside in the area of Madrid, and in the name of all
> Madrilians, for your words of condolence and support. It has been a
> very, very hard day.
>
> You all already know pretty well what happened. A still
unidentified
> group of lunatics (may the Dii Infernales take them whomever they
> are) has placed several bombs in three trains of the Madrilian
> metropolitan transport system and has made them explode in the
middle
> of the rush hour, when those trains were full of people commuting
to
> work. Their objective was to destroy the main railway station of
> Madrid (Atocha station), that probably held over 5,000 people at
the
> time. Luckily (if such an expression can be applied to such an
> unfortunate event), they have failed. But the damage they have
> managed to inflict has still been staggering.
>
> Apparently, the citizens of Nova Roma in Madrid have not been
injured
> (although some came pretty close, like myself, who only missed the
> attack for less than an hour). But some have lost friends to the
> foolish dreams of a bunch of fanatics. My heart is with them and
> their relatives.
>
> The best thing of the day has been the response of the citizens of
> Madrid to the tragedy. Not only have most people kept their calm
and
> have not succumbed to the terror that was the ultimate goal of the
> inhuman beasts that perpetrated this crime, but they have shown
huge
> amounts of courage, strength and solidarity. Health services have
had
> to announce on TV that no more blood was needed and that no more
> volunteers were necessary after the tens of thousands that
presented
> themselves in the volunteer points covered all the needs of the
day.
> Taxi drivers have given free rides to the relatives of the victims
to
> the hospitals. Hotels have offered 4,000 free beds for the
relatives
> of the victims that have to come from outside Madrid. Restaurants
> have prepared free meals for the volunteers in the rescue and
health
> efforts. Today I feel proud of my neighbours.
>
> As the night closes over pain-striken Madrid, I can only hope that
> tomorrow will be a better day. Thank you very much for your kind
> words. May the Dii Immortales protect us all.
>
> S.V.B.E.E.V.
> CN.SALIX.T.F.A.NEP.OVF.ASTVR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21355 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: "Aedilis Plebis" M. Calidus please phone home.
Salve M. Calidus Gracchus and My fellow Romans.

"Aedilis Plebis" M. Calidus Gracchus is missing in action and needs to e-mail one of the Censors or the Tribunes as soon as possible. Please inform us if you are still on any of these list and plan on being active in Nova Roma. If any other citizen has communicated with him since January 10 or later please ask him to contact one of the Censors or the Tribunes. If he has a new e-mail address please sent it to the Censors.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Tribunus Plebis

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21356 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Condolences to Hispania
Salvete Quirites in Hispania Provincia!

Coming home late I learnt about the terrible terror attack today in
Madrid. It seems as if the the terrorists were from Al Quida.

I strongly dissociate myself from such foul deeds and stand by the
Spanish people. I ask our citizens in Hispania Provincia to accept
the Condolences from myself and Thule Provincia!
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21357 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: For Spain
Omnibus salutem dicit Ambrosius Celetrus,

My heartfelt condolences are extended to my brethren in Spain. If, as
has been suggested, these murders were not committed by
ETA but by Al Q'aida, then I grieve especially as an American that
the loyal support our Spanish allies have given us in Iraq has
brought this crime upon them. Regardless of who is responsible for
this cowardly act, though, my prayers go out to the innocent.
Deus misereatur,

Aulus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21358 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Polybius
Salve Equiti Marine,

Thank you for your response. One of these days, I really must wade
through Polybius, but I can see his intent from what you quoted
and even more so from:

"[Histories 1:5] For who is so worthless or indolent as not to wish to know by
what means and under what system of polity the Romans in less
than fifty-three years have succeeded in subjecting nearly the whole
inhabited world to their sole government - a thing unique in
history?"

Cannae took place in the 140th Olympiad's first year, and what better
example of Roman uniqueness than their refusal to surrender
after such an appalling defeat? Thank you for bringing Polybius'
motives to light.

Vale,

Ambrosius Celetrus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21359 From: daan kramieri Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: The Atttacks in Hispania
Salve Scaure!

The monstrous attacks in one of the heartlands of Romance civilisation comes as a shock. No people on this earth should be exposed to this kind of barbaric violance. I hereby offer my conoleances to the people and government of the people of Spain/Hispania.

But even in this dark moment, in wich the grief is overwelming, I do ask the Senate, Government and People of Nova Roma to remind themselves that the terrorist lot of ETA are not the Basque people. The Basque people are not to be blamed for this act of barbarism, in stead ETA is.
ETA is loathed by about 89% of the Basques, and I am certain that all civilized Basques will strongly condemn this attack.

Let us not look upon the Basques to fierce an eye(as Shakespeare would have said), for most of this people simply want to remain Spanish and live their lives peacefully.

I conclude with the wish of wisdom and strength to our Government, and I say a prayer for the dead, may Mercurius lead them to eternal peace in the World below. May they enjoy the Pax Deorum

Ave!

Cn. Flavius Horatius

g_iulius_scaurus <gfr@...> wrote:
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

For those who may be concerned, consul Cn. Salix Astur is safe,
although he narrowly missed the attack at the Atocha station in Madrid
where he was scheduled to meet with someone from work, fortunately
later than the attack occurred. I have just received an email from him.

During the reign of Vespasian there was a revolt of the Vascones
(Basques) who had been allies of the Romans. Vespasian is reported to
have observed that the only way to deal effectively with such
treachery was to crucify them all, but later concluded it would not be
worth the effort. It is perhaps not a PC sentiment, but I am
sufficiently outraged at this monstrous attack to wonder if Vespasian
wasn't perhaps wrong in the conclusion he reached.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21360 From: M.Adrianus Complutensis Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: The Atttacks in Hispania
Salvete omnes,


>.... It is perhaps not a PC sentiment, but I >am sufficiently outraged at this monstrous >attack to wonder if Vespasian wasn't perhaps >wrong in the conclusion he reached.

I'm sure that Vespasian was wrong.



Thanks for your condolences.

Valete bene

M.ADR.COMPLVTENSIS

from Hispania



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21361 From: daan kramieri Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Terror attacks in Spain and introduction
CN.FLAVIVS HORATIVS SPD

Dear fellow citizens, I am shocked an grieve struck by todays barbaric events in Hispania. I think this the most horrendous crime against humanity since 9/11 and the attacks in Casablanca and Riaadh.
May the Furiae punish these vile criminals in the Tartarus.

My thoughts go out to the families of the victims of these horrndous assault on human dignity. I pray to Asclepius for the lives of the injured.

Further more I would like to introduce myself to you. My name is Gnaeus Flavius Horatius and I am from the province of Gallia. My home country is Holland, formerly known as germania Inferior. I am a student at the moment. I am honoured to be accepted as citizen of the new Rome

Salve!

Cn. Flavius Horatius





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21362 From: a_cato2002 Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Condolences to our Spanish Friends
Salvete Omnes: I wish to extend our families deepest
condolences in regards to the terrible loss of life by terrorism in
Spain. May those who have been lost find eternal peace and rest. And
A most disgusting, sick, and terrifying tragedy. Our heartfelt
prayers are with you all. May whatever god or gods you worship be
with you, and comfort you.

valete et Pax Deorum, Appius Tullius Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21363 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Tradgedy in Hispania
C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix Quiritibus S.P.D.

Salvete,

I would like to offer my prayers and heartfelt condolences to the
citizens of Hispania and the EU for their terrible loss today. I pray to
the Gods that the monsters responsible for this terrible crime against
civilization are brought swiftly to justice. When the authorities
ultimately root these criminals out of whatever dark holes they are
hiding in, we can only hope they decide to put up a fight, and thus
receive the justice they so richly deserve all that much sooner.

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21364 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Re: The Atttacks in Hispania
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

I apologise to any who were offended by my remark on Vespasian and the
Vascones. It was occasioned by the coincidence of outrage at the
bombings in Madrid and my having read the Vespasian remark in a early
Byzantine historian while looking for another Flavian anecdote in the
same source just moments before I learned of the Madrid attacks.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21365 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2004-03-11
Subject: Senate Voting Results
Subject: Official Senate Meeting Results


Tribuna Plebis Julilla Sempronia Magna Quiritibus SPD



Senate Voting Results published on a.d. V Id. Martias



The Senate has finished its latest session and the votes have been tallied
as follows:



Formal debate ended pridie Non. Martias (March 6th) at 12:30 Roman time.
Voting began immediately afterwards and ended on a.d. VI Id. Martias at
17:30 Roman time. Presiding magistrate Consul Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
published the official results on the Senate list on a.d. V Id. Martias.



The following 22 Senators cast votes in time. They are referred to below by
their initials and are listed in alphabetical order by nomen:



Franciscus Apulus Caesar (FAC)

Marcus Arminius Maior (MAM)

Marcus Cassius Julianus (MCJ)

Patricia Cassia (PC)

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus (CEM)

Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur (LECA)

Caius Flavius Diocletianus (CFD)

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus (CFQ)

Quintus Fabius Maximus (QFM)

Antonius Gryllus Graecus (AGG)

Alexander Iulius Caesar Probus Macedonicus (AICPM)

Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus (DIPI)

Decimus Iunius Silanus (DIS)

Titus Labienus Fortunatus (TLF)

Gaius Marius Merullus (CMM)

Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens (MMTA)

Marcus Octavius Germanicus (MOG)

Gnaeus Octavius Noricus (CON)

Lucius Pompeius Octavianus (LPO)

Gnaeus Salix Astur (CSA)

Lucius Sergius Australicus Obstinatus (LSAO)

Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato (ATMC)



The following Senator did not cast a vote:

Lucius Sicinius Drusus (LSD) (leave of absence)



The following Senator did not cast a vote, and his absence was not
announced or justified in line with the Senatus Consultum defining a quorum
and the LEX OCTAVIA DE SENATORIBUS:


Lucius Cornelius Sulla (LCS)



Therefore, the necessary majority for a Senatus Consultum was 13 votes in
favor.



"UTI ROGAS" indicates a vote in favor of an item, "ANTIQUO" is a vote
against, and "ABSTINEO" is an open abstention.



The items for consideration were as follows:



Agenda


I. The Senate grants Tiberius Galerius Paulinus permission to use
the Nova Roma flag logo on merchandise, including coffee cups, 3 ft by 5 ft
(1 m by 1.6 m) flags, clocks, mouse pads, roman themed games, and afghans
(rectangular items similar to blankets.)



ITEM PASSES - 13 VTI ROGAS, 3 ANTIQVO, 7 ABSTINEO



FAC:
VTI ROGAS

MAM:
VTI ROGAS

MCJ:
VTI ROGAS

PC:
ANTIQUO (No).



I agree with Cincinnatus that this item should be more clear about how
the resulting revenues are to be applied.

LECA:
ABSTO, I would have it stipulated clearly that the proceeds from the
sales of such items be deposited in the Treasury Novae Romae.

CEM:
VTI ROGAS

CFD:
ABSTO (proxy by LEC)

CFQ:
ABSTO

QFM:
ABSTAINO

As I said earlier, this item is incomplete. I assume it will benefit
Roma, but nowhere is the results from such benefits outlined. I cannot vote
for an incomplete item.

AGG:
ABSTINEO

AICPM:
VTI ROGAS

DIPI:
ABSTO (proxy by LEC)

DIS:
ABSTAINO

TLF:
VTI ROGAS

CMM:
VTI ROGAS

MMTA:
YES

MOG:
VTI ROGAS

CON:
VTI ROGAS

LPO:
VTI ROGAS

CSA:
VTI ROGAS

LSAO:
VTI ROGAS

ATMC:
VTI ROGAS




II. The Senate recognizes and grants official recognition to Cohort
I, Legio X, as recommended by the Sodalitas Militarium.



ITEM PASSES - 22 VTI ROGAS, 0 ANTIQVO



FAC:
VTI ROGAS

MAM:
VTI ROGAS

MCJ:
VTI ROGAS

PC:
VTI ROGAS

LECA:
VTI ROGAS

CEM:
VTI ROGAS

CFD:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

CFQ:
VTI ROGAS

QFM:
VTI ROGAS

AGG:
VTI ROGAS

AICPM:
VTI ROGAS

DIPI:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

DIS:
VTI ROGAS

TLF:
VTI ROGAS

CMM:
VTI ROGAS

MMTA:
YES

MOG:
VTI ROGAS

CON:
VTI ROGAS

LPO:
VTI ROGAS

CSA:
VTI ROGAS

LSAO:
VTI ROGAS

ATMC:
VTI ROGAS




III. The Senate rescinds the previously granted recognition of Legio
XI, Claudia Pia Fidelis as requested by the Sodalitas Militarium.



ITEM PASSES - 22 VTI ROGAS, 0 ANTIQVO



FAC:
VTI ROGAS

MAM:
VTI ROGAS

MCJ:
VTI ROGAS

PC:
VTI ROGAS

LECA:
VTI ROGAS

CEM:
VTI ROGAS

CFD:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

CFQ:
VTI ROGAS

QFM:
I attempted to get in touch with Claudia, and found she moved, with no
forwarding address.

VTI ROGAS

AGG:
VTI ROGAS

AICPM:
VTI ROGAS

DIPI:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

DIS:
VTI ROGAS

TLF:
VTI ROGAS

CMM:
VTI ROGAS

MMTA:
YES

MOG:
VTI ROGAS

CON:
VTI ROGAS

LPO:
VTI ROGAS

CSA:
VTI ROGAS

LSAO:
VTI ROGAS

ATMC:
VTI ROGAS




IV. The Senate recognizes and approves Titus Arminius Genialis as an
official Translator of Portugese.



ITEM PASSES - 22 VTI ROGAS, 0 ANTIQVO



FAC:
VTI ROGAS

MAM:
VTI ROGAS

MCJ:
VTI ROGAS

PC:
VTI ROGAS

LECA:
VTI ROGAS

CEM:
VTI ROGAS

CFD:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

CFQ:
VTI ROGAS

QFM:
VTI ROGAS

AGG:
VTI ROGAS

AICPM:
VTI ROGAS

DIPI:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

DIS:
VTI ROGAS

TLF:
VTI ROGAS

CMM:
VTI ROGAS

MMTA:
YES

MOG:
VTI ROGAS

CON:
VTI ROGAS

LPO:
VTI ROGAS

CSA:
VTI ROGAS

LSAO:
VTI ROGAS

ATMC:
VTI ROGAS




V. The Senate recognizes and approves Lucius Cornelius Cicero as
an official Translator of Afrikaans.



ITEM PASSES - 22 VTI ROGAS, 0 ANTIQVO



FAC:
VTI ROGAS

MAM:
VTI ROGAS

MCJ:
VTI ROGAS

PC:
VTI ROGAS

LECA:
VTI ROGAS

CEM:
VTI ROGAS

CFD:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

CFQ:
VTI ROGAS

QFM:
This is needed. Thanks to Cornelius for his diligence.

VTI ROGAS

AGG:
VTI ROGAS

AICPM:
VTI ROGAS It is great!

DIPI:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

DIS:
VTI ROGAS

TLF:
VTI ROGAS

CMM:
VTI ROGAS

MMTA:
YES

MOG:
VTI ROGAS

CON:
VTI ROGAS

LPO:
VTI ROGAS

CSA:
VTI ROGAS

LSAO:
VTI ROGAS

ATMC:
I hope his traslations bear fruit, and wish him all the best.

VTI ROGAS




The following proconsuls and propraetors have applied for prorogation and
are not opposed by any other candidates.



VI. Caeso Fabius Quintillianus to be prorogued as governor
(Proconsul) of Thule.



ITEM PASSES - 21 VTI ROGAS, 0 ANTIQVO, I ABSTINEO



FAC:
VTI ROGAS

MAM:
VTI ROGAS

MCJ:
VTI ROGAS

PC:
VTI ROGAS

LECA:
VTI ROGAS

CEM:
VTI ROGAS

CFD:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

CFQ:
ABSTO

QFM:
VTI ROGAS

AGG:
VTI ROGAS

AICPM:
VTI ROGAS

DIPI:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

DIS:
VTI ROGAS

TLF:
VTI ROGAS

CMM:
VTI ROGAS

MMTA:
YES

MOG:
VTI ROGAS

CON:
VTI ROGAS

LPO:
VTI ROGAS

CSA:
VTI ROGAS

LSAO:
VTI ROGAS

ATMC:
VTI ROGAS




VII. Quintus Fabius Maximus to be prorogued as governor (Proconsul) of
California.



ITEM PASSES - 21 VTI ROGAS, 0 ANTIQVO 1 ABSTINEO



FAC:
VTI ROGAS

MAM:
VTI ROGAS

MCJ:
VTI ROGAS

PC:
VTI ROGAS

LECA:
VTI ROGAS

CEM:
VTI ROGAS

CFD:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

CFQ:
VTI ROGAS

QFM:
ABST

AGG:
VTI ROGAS

AICPM:
VTI ROGAS

DIPI:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

DIS:
VTI ROGAS

TLF:
VTI ROGAS

CMM:
VTI ROGAS

MMTA:
YES

MOG:
ABSTINEO

CON:
VTI ROGAS

LPO:
VTI ROGAS

CSA:
VTI ROGAS

LSAO:
VTI ROGAS

ATMC:
VTI ROGAS




VIII. Gnaeus Equitius Marinus to be prorogued as governor (Proconsul)
of Mediatlantica.



ITEM PASSES - 22 VTI ROGAS, 0 ANTIQVO



FAC:
VTI ROGAS

MAM:
VTI ROGAS

MCJ:
VTI ROGAS

PC:
VTI ROGAS

LECA:
VTI ROGAS

CEM:
VTI ROGAS

CFD:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

CFQ:
VTI ROGAS

QFM:
VTI ROGAS

AGG:
VTI ROGAS

AICPM:
VTI ROGAS

DIPI:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

DIS:
VTI ROGAS

TLF:
VTI ROGAS

CMM:
VTI ROGAS

MMTA:
YES

MOG:
VTI ROGAS

CON:
VTI ROGAS

LPO:
VTI ROGAS

CSA:
VTI ROGAS

LSAO:
VTI ROGAS

ATMC:
VTI ROGAS




IX. Julilla Sempronia Magna to be prorogued as governor (Propraetor)
of America Boreoccidentalis.



ITEM PASSES - 22 VTI ROGAS, 0 ANTIQVO



FAC:
VTI ROGAS

MAM:
VTI ROGAS

MCJ:
VTI ROGAS

PC:
VTI ROGAS

LECA:
VTI ROGAS

CEM:
VTI ROGAS

CFD:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

CFQ:
VTI ROGAS

QFM:
VTI ROGAS

AGG:
VTI ROGAS

AICPM:
VTI ROGAS

DIPI:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

DIS:
VTI ROGAS

TLF:
VTI ROGAS

CMM:
VTI ROGAS

MMTA:
YES

MOG:
VTI ROGAS

CON:
VTI ROGAS

LPO:
VTI ROGAS

CSA:
VTI ROGAS

LSAO:
VTI ROGAS

ATMC:
VTI ROGAS




X. Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura to be prorogued as governor
(Propraetor) of Australia.



ITEM PASSES - 22 VTI ROGAS, 0 ANTIQVO



FAC:
VTI ROGAS

MAM:
VTI ROGAS

MCJ:
VTI ROGAS

PC:
VTI ROGAS

LECA:
VTI ROGAS

CEM:
VTI ROGAS

CFD:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

CFQ:
VTI ROGAS

QFM:
VTI ROGAS

AGG:
VTI ROGAS

AICPM:
VTI ROGAS

DIPI:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

DIS:
VTI ROGAS

TLF:
VTI ROGAS

CMM:
VTI ROGAS

MMTA:
YES

MOG:
VTI ROGAS

CON:
VTI ROGAS

LPO:
VTI ROGAS

CSA:
VTI ROGAS

LSAO:
VTI ROGAS

ATMC:
VTI ROGAS




XI. Caius Flavius Diocletianus to be prorogued as governor
(Propraetor) of Germania.



ITEM PASSES - 22 VTI ROGAS, 0 ANTIQVO



FAC:
VTI ROGAS

MAM:
VTI ROGAS

MCJ:
VTI ROGAS

PC:
VTI ROGAS

LECA:
VTI ROGAS

CEM:
VTI ROGAS

CFD:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

CFQ:
VTI ROGAS

QFM:
VTI ROGAS

AGG:
VTI ROGAS

AICPM:
VTI ROGAS

DIPI:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

DIS:
VTI ROGAS

TLF:
VTI ROGAS

CMM:
VTI ROGAS

MMTA:
YES

MOG:
VTI ROGAS

CON:
VTI ROGAS

LPO:
VTI ROGAS

CSA:
VTI ROGAS

LSAO:
VTI ROGAS

ATMC:
VTI ROGAS




XII. Marcus Bianchius Antonius to be prorogued as governor
(Propraetor) of Lacus Magni.



ITEM PASSES - 21 VTI ROGAS, 0 ANTIQVO, 1 No vote registered



FAC:
VTI ROGAS

MAM:
VTI ROGAS

MCJ:
VTI ROGAS

PC:
VTI ROGAS

LECA:
VTI ROGAS

CEM:
VTI ROGAS

CFD:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

CFQ:
VTI ROGAS

QFM:
VTI ROGAS

AGG:
VTI ROGAS

AICPM:
VTI ROGAS

DIPI:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

DIS:
VTI ROGAS

TLF:
VTI ROGAS

CMM:


MMTA:
YES

MOG:
VTI ROGAS

CON:
VTI ROGAS

LPO:
VTI ROGAS

CSA:
VTI ROGAS

LSAO:
VTI ROGAS

ATMC:
VTI ROGAS




Please note that the next two items represent a contest between two
candidates for the same office, where the first candidate is the currently
serving governor. Please vote to approve only one.



XIII. Gaius Popilius Laenas to be prorogued as governor (Propraetor) of
America Austrorientalis.



ITEM PASSES - 14 VTI ROGAS, 4 ANTIQVO, 2 ABSTINEO, 2 NO VOTE REGISTERED



FAC:
VTI ROGAS

MAM:
ABSTINEO

MCJ:


PC:


LECA:
VTI ROGAS

CEM:
A very, very difficult choice. Gaius Popilius Laenas has demonstrated
an ability to overcome personal difficulty and return to active performance
of duty, completing his term of office after having felt compelled to resign
early due to personal issues.



Were it not for the presence of another, more active and qualified
candidate, there would be no question of continuing him in office. However,
there is such a candidate, and I think that candidate is best prepared to
take on the governance of his province at this time. Would that we had such
problems in all of our provinciae.



ANTIQUO

CFD:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

CFQ:
ANTIQUO

QFM:
VTI ROGAS



While Popilius resigned, we all go through crisis that seems over
whelming at times. Often it turns out to less worse than thought. So it
happened with Gaius Popilius. Upon his return he went through the proper
channels for reinstatement. Let him be reinstated.

AGG:
VTI ROGAS

AICPM:
ANTIQUO



Difficult choice. I wish to give both of candidates a chance to
perform good job as governors, but position is one only. So, I ask our
valuable colleague Gaius Popilius Laenas to excuse my choice, but I always
support introduction of newer faces to provincial administration.

DIPI:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

DIS:
VTI ROGAS

TLF:
VTI ROGAS

CMM:
VTI ROGAS

MMTA:
YES



I have spoken at length with the gentleman regarding his past history,
and I believe that he has determined to put his total availableeffort into
the task at hand, and he certainly seems to me to understand the extent of
what he has undetaken to do.



I can well understand his resignation under the pressure of the past
situation on this list, and his coming back, admitting his mistake, and
asing for a second chance, I believe indicates a determination to do the
best job of which he is acapable.



This of course does not disqualify his opponent in my consideration,
but merely that I know more about Master Laenas, and that I am convinced
that he wil do a much better job than with his first try, as there is now
more at stake in the task for his personal pride.

MOG:
VTI ROGAS

CON:
VTI ROGAS

LPO:
VTI ROGAS

CSA:
ANTIQVO

LSAO:
ABSTO

ATMC:
VTI ROGAS




XIV. F. Galerius Aurelianus to be appointed governor (Propraetor) of
America Austrorientalis.



ITEM FAILS - 6 VTI ROGAS, 5 ANTIQVO, 3 ABSTINEO, 8 no vote registered



FAC:
ANVTIQVO

MAM:
VTI ROGAS

MCJ:


PC:


LECA:


CEM:
VTI ROGAS



An active citizen who has worked dilligently for the Republic since he
joined, let's give F. Galerius Aurelianus an opportunity to apply his
energies to the leadership of his province.

CFD:


CFQ:
VTI ROGAS

QFM:


AGG:


AICPM:
VTI ROGAS

DIPI:


DIS:
ANTIQUO

I am rather surprised that one should seek to unseat an incumbent who
was appointed only a month ago, let alone someone with a proven record as
one of Nova Roma's most active and dedicated citizens.

TLF:
ANTIQVO

CMM:


MMTA:


MOG:
ANTIQVO

CON:
ABSTINEO

LPO:
ANTIQVO

CSA:
VTI ROGAS

LSAO:
ABSTO

ATMC:
VTI ROGAS






Please note that the next two items represent a contest between two
candidates for the same governorship. Please vote to approve only one.



XV. Lucius Rutilius Minervalis to be appointed governor (Propraetor)
of Gallia.



ITEM FAILS - 6 VTI ROGAS, 5 ANTIQVO, 3 ABSTINEO, 8 No Vote Registered



FAC:
VTI ROGAS



As said, the location in Paris of Minervalis could help the promotion
of NR in Gallia and France firstly.



VTI ROGAS

MAM:
VTI ROGAS

MCJ:


PC:


LECA:


CEM:
Another very difficult decision. While I can not accept the argument

that Gallia is France, I can also not ignore the reality of France
being a very large part of Gallia. I hope that Lucius Rutilius Minervalis
can serve us wisely as propraetor of Gallia, and that he will move quickly
to employ the very best available talent as Legates for those Regiones of
Gallia outside of France.



VTI ROGAS

CFD:


CFQ:
VTI ROGAS

QFM:


AGG:


AICPM:
ABSTINEO



I am sure if approved Lucius Rutilius Minervalis will do a good job as
governor of Gallia and I would like to meet him end of May, when I am
planning a trip to Fontainebleau and Lutetia.

DIPI:


DIS:
ANTIQUO

No offense to Minervalis, but until this vacancy was announced I had
not heard his name mentioned before. Diana has a proven record at all levels
of Nova Roma and it would be folly for this chamber to appoint anyone else.

TLF:
ANTIQVO

CMM:


MMTA:
YES



As I indicated earlier in the Senate discussion period leading to this
vote, I am drawn t this candidate for the stated reasons. I have heard
nothing during the Senate discussion period to change my views, and
therefore I am pleased to place my vote as above.

MOG:
ANTIQVO

CON:
ABSTINEO

LPO:
ANTIQVO

CSA:
VTI ROGAS



I have been convinced by the argument that we need a French speaking
propraetor in Gallia, and one that lives near the political centre of
France. However, I explicitly invite L. Rutilius to consider the
appointment of D. Octavia as his legata for the Dutch speaking region.
I am sure that she will prove an extremely active provincial
administrator there.

LSAO:
ABSTO

ATMC:
ANTIQVO




XVI. Diana Octavia Aventina to be appointed governor (Propraetor) of
Gallia.



ITEM PASSES - 15 VTI ROGAS, 4 ANTIQVO, 3 ABSTINEO, 1 No vote registered



FAC:
ANTIQVO



Octavia Aventina is a very skilled citizen and magistrate, I hope she
could partecipe in the new administration.

MAM:
ABSTINEO

MCJ:
VTI ROGAS



I believe that Diana would do an excellent job in this position.

PC:
VTI ROGAS



I believe Diana's energy and dedication are just what Nova Roma needs
in this important province.

LECA:
VTI ROGAS

CEM:
ANTIQUO



I had hoped to be able to vote for Diana. But I have been convinced

that Rutilius Minervalis is the better choice. I ask Rutilius
Minervalis, if he is selected, to consider Diana as his Legate.

CFD:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

CFQ:
ANTIQUO

QFM:
VTI ROGAS



Octavia is one of the hardest workers for Nova Roma. To not allow her
this chance would be foolish on the part of this Senate.



AGG:
VTI ROGAS

AICPM:
ABSTINEO



I wish to vote for Diana Aventina and hopefully there will be a chance
to
support her candidacy on other appropriate position.

DIPI:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

DIS:
VTI ROGAS

TLF:
VTI ROGAS

CMM:
VTI ROGAS

MMTA:


MOG:
VTI ROGAS



Diana is one of our most capable and hard-working citizens, and
deserves a return to higher office.

CON:
VTI ROGAS

LPO:
VTI ROGAS

CSA:
ANTIQVO

LSAO:
VTI ROGAS

ATMC:
VTI ROGAS



I am impressed with Diana's efforts and dedication. She is well
deserving of the position.




The following candidates have applied for appointment as governor
(Propraetor) of their respective provincia and are unopposed.



XVII. Lucius Arminius Faustus to be appointed governor (Propraetor) of
Brasilia.



ITEM PASSES - 22 VTI ROGAS, 0 ANTIQVO



FAC:
VTI ROGAS

MAM:
VTI ROGAS

MCJ:
VTI ROGAS

PC:
VTI ROGAS

LECA:
VTI ROGAS

CEM:
VTI ROGAS

CFD:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

CFQ:
VTI ROGAS

QFM:
VTI ROGAS

AGG:
VTI ROGAS

AICPM:
VTI ROGAS

DIPI:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

DIS:


TLF:
VTI ROGAS

CMM:
VTI ROGAS

MMTA:
YES

MOG:
VTI ROGAS

CON:
VTI ROGAS

LPO:
VTI ROGAS

CSA:
VTI ROGAS

LSAO:
VTI ROGAS

ATMC:
VTI ROGAS




XVIII. Quintus Lanius Paulinus to be appointed governor (Propraetor) of
Canada Occidentalis.



ITEM PASSES - 22 VTI ROGAS, 0 ANTIQVO





FAC:
VTI ROGAS

MAM:
VTI ROGAS

MCJ:
VTI ROGAS

PC:
VTI ROGAS

LECA:
VTI ROGAS

CEM:
VTI ROGAS

CFD:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

CFQ:
VTI ROGAS

QFM:
VTI ROGAS

AGG:
VTI ROGAS

AICPM:
VTI ROGAS

DIPI:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

DIS:
VTI ROGAS

TLF:
VTI ROGAS

CMM:
VTI ROGAS

MMTA:
YES

MOG:
VTI ROGAS

CON:
VTI ROGAS

LPO:
VTI ROGAS

CSA:
VTI ROGAS

LSAO:
VTI ROGAS

ATMC:
VTI ROGAS




XIX. Septima Fabia Vera Fausta to be appointed governor (Propraetor) of
Hibernia.



ITEM PASSES - 22 VTI ROGAS, 0 ANTIQVO



FAC:
VTI ROGAS

MAM:
VTI ROGAS

MCJ:
VTI ROGAS

PC:
I would also like to comment that I believe all of the candidates for
both contested positions are qualified and should be commended for their
willingness to step forward. Their actions make it possible for the Senate
to engage in real thought and discussion of the qualities we seek in a
provincial Praetor, rather than being forced to accept the only person who
volunteers.



VTI ROGAS

LECA:
VTI ROGAS

CEM:
VTI ROGAS

CFD:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

CFQ:
VTI ROGAS

QFM:
VTI ROGAS

AGG:
VTI ROGAS

AICPM:
VTI ROGAS

DIPI:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

DIS:
VTI ROGAS

TLF:
VTI ROGAS

CMM:
VTI ROGAS

MMTA:
YES

MOG:
VTI ROGAS

CON:
VTI ROGAS

LPO:
VTI ROGAS

CSA:
VTI ROGAS

LSAO:
VTI ROGAS

ATMC:
VTI ROGAS




XX. Lucius Didius Geminius Sceptius to be appointed governor
(Propraetor) of Hispania.



ITEM PASSES - 22 VTI ROGAS, 0 ANTIQVO



FAC:
VTI ROGAS

MAM:
VTI ROGAS

MCJ:
VTI ROGAS

PC:
VTI ROGAS

LECA:
VTI ROGAS

CEM:
VTI ROGAS

CFD:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

CFQ:
VTI ROGAS

QFM:
VTI ROGAS

AGG:
VTI ROGAS

AICPM:
VTI ROGAS

DIPI:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

DIS:
VTI ROGAS

TLF:
VTI ROGAS

CMM:
VTI ROGAS

MMTA:
YES

MOG:
VTI ROGAS

CON:
VTI ROGAS

LPO:
VTI ROGAS

CSA:
I am particularly eager to see the good ideas that L. Didius will put
in practice in my home province.



VTI ROGAS

LSAO:
VTI ROGAS

ATMC:
VTI ROGAS




XXI. Manius Constantinus Serapio to be appointed governor (Propraetor)
of Italia.



ITEM PASSES - 22 VTI ROGAS, 0 ANTIQVO



FAC:
VTI ROGAS

MAM:
VTI ROGAS

MCJ:
VTI ROGAS

PC:
VTI ROGAS

LECA:
VTI ROGAS

CEM:
VTI ROGAS

CFD:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

CFQ:
VTI ROGAS

QFM:
VTI ROGAS

AGG:
VTI ROGAS

AICPM:
VTI ROGAS

DIPI:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

DIS:
VTI ROGAS

TLF:
VTI ROGAS

CMM:
VTI ROGAS

MMTA:
I am particularly pleased to be able to vote in favor of this
gentleman. He has done much for Nova Roma, as both past and future issues
of "Eagle' have and will attest to.



YES

MOG:
VTI ROGAS

CON:
VTI ROGAS

LPO:
VTI ROGAS

CSA:
VTI ROGAS

LSAO:
VTI ROGAS

ATMC:
VTI ROGAS




XXII. Gaius Lanius Falco to be appointed governor (Propraetor) of Nova
Britannia.



ITEM PASSES - 22 VTI ROGAS, 0 ANTIQVO



FAC:
VTI ROGAS

MAM:
VTI ROGAS

MCJ:
VTI ROGAS

PC:
VTI ROGAS

LECA:
VTI ROGAS

CEM:
VTI ROGAS

CFD:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

CFQ:
VTI ROGAS

QFM:
VTI ROGAS

AGG:
VTI ROGAS

AICPM:
VTI ROGAS

DIPI:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

DIS:
VTI ROGAS

TLF:
VTI ROGAS

CMM:
VTI ROGAS

MMTA:
YES

MOG:
VTI ROGAS

CON:
VTI ROGAS

LPO:
VTI ROGAS

CSA:
VTI ROGAS

LSAO:
VTI ROGAS

ATMC:
VTI ROGAS




The following serving governor wishes to step down as soon as possible, but
has agreed to continue to serve until a suitable candidate steps forward.



XXIII. Decimus Iunius Silanus is prorogued as governor (Propraetor) of
Britannia until such time as a suitable candidate to replace him may be
found.



ITEM PASSES - 21 VTI ROGAS, 1 ANTIQVO



FAC:
VTI ROGAS

MAM:
VTI ROGAS

MCJ:
VTI ROGAS

PC:
VTI ROGAS

LECA:
VTI ROGAS

CEM:
VTI ROGAS

CFD:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

CFQ:
VTI ROGAS

QFM:
And Rome thanks Iunius for his continued dedication.

VTI ROGAS

AGG:
VTI ROGAS

AICPM:
VTI ROGAS

DIPI:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

DIS:
To reaffirm my desire to stand down, I vote against my proroguation. It
is my hope that someone will stand forward very soon.

ANTIQVO

TLF:
VTI ROGAS

CMM:
VTI ROGAS

MMTA:
YES

MOG:
VTI ROGAS

CON:
VTI ROGAS

LPO:
VTI ROGAS

CSA:
I wish that we could keep D. Iunius as long as possible in his current
position, though :-)



VTI ROGAS

LSAO:
VTI ROGAS

ATMC:
VTI ROGAS




Budget for the current year.



XXIV. The final budget for the current calendar year (2757 auc, 2005 CE)
as detailed in the document NewBudget2757.xls located at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SenatusRomanus/files/ is approved.



ITEM PASSES - 21 VTI ROGAS, 1 ANTIQVO



FAC:
VTI ROGAS

MAM:
VTI ROGAS

MCJ:
VTI ROGAS

PC:
VTI ROGAS

LECA:
VTI ROGAS

CEM:
VTI ROGAS

CFD:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

CFQ:
VTI ROGAS

QFM:
VTI ROGAS

AGG:
VTI ROGAS

AICPM:
VTI ROGAS

DIPI:
VTI ROGAS (proxy by LEC)

DIS:
VTI ROGAS

TLF:
VTI ROGAS

CMM:
VTI ROGAS

MMTA:
YES

MOG:
ABSTINEO

CON:
VTI ROGAS

LPO:
VTI ROGAS

CSA:
Please allow me to publicly thank Quaestor C. Curius Saturninus for his
excellent and intensive work in preparing this budget.



VTI ROGAS

LSAO:
VTI ROGAS

ATMC:
VTI ROGAS







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cura ut valeas,

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21366 From: Joanne Shaver Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: [Fwd: Consular Visit to Nova Caesaria on Sunday, April 25th
Salvete, People of Medatlantica! Merlinia Ambrosia Artori, Legata of
Nova Caesaria, Med., sends Tidings of Consul Gn.Equitius Marinus'
Visit to our area!

I have been looking for some interesting places here in NC(N.J.) and
this is what I've come up with.

If we want to go to a really interesting Italian restaurant, the
Bella Notte's Alta Cucina would be memorable. It's in Little Falls,
about 15 mi. north of me here in Maplewood. I was there this past
Thursday night with a group of my husband's co-workers, and it is
astounding.
website is going to be
www.bellanottesaltacucina.com

Up side- it is a tiny Italian piazza, complete with colonnades,
fountain, and beautifully painted night sky. The food is phenomenal.

Down side- priced a la carte, items run $10-$25; expect to drop $50
without drinks. Large center area is open for parties 8+ on M-Th nights,
and Sunday afternoons. During Sat. it is very crowded, but a party can
still be seated,just hard to hear. Togas ok on Sunday only.

As for something to see, we can go to our own Newark Museum, which has a
very nice collection of Roman glass, and from now till May 9 an exhibit
of jewelry from all over the world, from all time periods, called
"Baubles, Bangles, and Bling Bling"
The website is
www.newarkmuseum.org

Itinerary for a Sunday would be- All Meet here by 11am, Museum 12-2:30,
restaurant 3- 6pm or so, and back here by 7pm.
Hanging out here before & after is expected!


Vale for now!
-M.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21367 From: deciusiunius Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Condolences for Hispania
Salvete,

My heartfelt condolences to the Spanish people for this barbaric act
perpetrated upon them, whether by ETA or as it seems more likely, Al
Quaeda. You are in my prayers. I am relieved that none of our
citizens were hurt or killed and was pleased to see Consul Astur's
post confirming this. All the same, this tragedy affects us all. As
consul Marinus said, today we are all Spanish.

Valete,

Palladius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21368 From: deciusiunius Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Thank you for your congratulations
Salvete,

I have hardly had my computer on during the last week due to the
arrival of the newest Palladius but I just wanted to thank all who
sent congratulations, both onlist and off. I will try to respond to
each of you personally as time permits but for the next week or so I
won't be online much. Again, thank you from me and my family.

Valete,

Palladius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21369 From: H. Rutilius Bardulus Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: The Basque people and ETA terrorists.
Salvete omnes.

First of all, thank you all for your condolences. We, the people
of Madrid and of the whole Spain, are grateful for your kind
words and support.

Secondly, I wish to state that the Basque people are not the
same thing than the terrorist group ETA. There are a vast
majority (almost the 90%) of Basques that are a noble, honest
and peaceful people, redardless of their political or national
feelings.

The Kingdom of Spain is a democratic country within the European
Union. With Democracy, Freedom and Righteousness as our weapons,
we will defeat terrorism.


Dii vos bene ament,

H·RVTILIVS·IOS·FIL·RVD·NEP·CLVST·TRIB·BARDVLVS
PATERFAMILIAS·GENTIS·RVTILIAE
CIVIS·NOVAE·ROMAE
Ciudadano Español/Spanish Citizen.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21370 From: politicog Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Re: [CPT] Senate Voting Results
>
>
>
> Budget for the current year.
>
>
>
> XXIV. The final budget for the current calendar
> year (2757 auc, 2005 CE)
> as detailed in the document NewBudget2757.xls
> located at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SenatusRomanus/files/
> is approved.
>
>

I see that this item is in the files in the Senate
list, which is restricted. Is it posted somewhere for
all cives to see?

Lucius Quintius Constantius

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21371 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Re: [CPT] Senate Voting Results
Salvete,

politicog wrote:

>>XXIV. The final budget for the current calendar
>>year (2757 auc, 2005 CE)
>>as detailed in the document NewBudget2757.xls
>>located at
>>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SenatusRomanus/files/
>>is approved.

> I see that this item is in the files in the Senate
> list, which is restricted. Is it posted somewhere for
> all cives to see?

I'll post a copy of it in the Nova-Roma files section later today. I'll
send a notice to the mailing list when I do.

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21372 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Re: Senate Voting Results
A. Apollonius Cordus to Tribune Julilla Sempronia
Magna and all citizens and peregrines, greetings.

Thanks for posting this; and again I'm pleased to note
the very high turnout of senators for the second time
in as many sittings.

Also congratulations to all the governors who were
appointed or prorogued.





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21373 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: ante diem IV Idus Martii
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem IV Idus Martii; the day is comitialis.

Tomorrow is ante diem III Idus Martii; the day is endotercisus.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21374 From: FAC Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Re: Senate Voting Results
Salvete Omnes,
I would give my sincere congratulations t all the Propraetores
prorogued and appointed by the Senate. I think our Provinciae are in
good and skilled hands. :-)

In special way, let me give special wish of good luck to my dear
friend Manius Constantinus Serapio, new Propraetor of Italia. I
leave now my Office knowing that nobody could work better in Italy
than Serapio. Good luck Amice!

Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Senator, Tribune and former Propraetor Italiae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21375 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: The Rockbridge Bloomery:Smithing a Roman 'Currency Bar'
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "The Rockbridge Bloomery:Smithing a Roman 'Currency
Bar'":

http://iron.wlu.edu/bloom2bar.html

This site describes an attempt to reconstruct a commonly-found
artifact of Roman Britain.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21376 From: FAC Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: next races coming soon
Salvete OMnes,
the next Ludi Circenses, the more exciting roman game, are coming
soon. Do you would like to win the first races of the current year?

Subscribe the Factio Russata, the more passionated and exciting team
of Nova Roma. We're many and our horses are strong and fast.

Subscribe the official mailing list at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/russata

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Dominus Russatae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21377 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Tax Payment Information
Livia Cornelia Hibernia Quiritibus S.P.D.

Please note that when you send in your tax payment via PayPal you
should provide your full Roman name in the notes section of the
PayPal form. The Quaestor's software for tax payments allows look up
via name only, NOT by Citizen ID.

Also, if you are paying your taxes with a bank check that you snail
mail to the Nova Roma Post Office Box in Maine, please include your
full Roman name on the check's memo line or in a note included with
the check.

Gratias tibi ago.

Optime Vale in Pace Deorum
Livia Cornelia Hibernia
Quaestor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21378 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Re: Senate Voting Results
Salvete all,

I would like to publicly thank the 15 Senators who voted me in as Propraetor of Gallia! I'll be
drinking a toast this evening wishing you all the best of luck, good health and happiness :-).

In light of my new position, in May I'll be busy promoting Nova Roma Gallia at the PF
International Conference in Lunteren Holland. I've also accepted an invitation to attend PaGE
Europe (Pagan Gathering Europe) an international Pagan Gathering to be held in Brugges Belgium on
a weekend at the end of August where I'll be giving a workshop on the Gods of Rome and 'manning' a
Nova Roma stand.

Not bad for my first day as Propraetor :-))

Valete,
Diana Octavia Aventina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21379 From: L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Oath of office / Juramento / Iure
Salvete omnes

Ego, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval), hoc ipso facto sollemniter IVRO Novae Romae decus defendere et semper pro Novae Romae Populo atque Senatu agere.

Ut Novae Romae magistratus ego, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval), Romae deos deasque colere IVRO in omnibus publicae vitae temporibus atque Romanas virtutes et ublica et privata vita
persequi.

Ego, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval), Romanam religionem favere et defendere IVRO ut Novae Romae Reipublicae religionem et numquam agere ita ut eius status publicae religionis
aliquid detrimenti capiat.

Praeterea ego, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) IVRO quam optime fungi officium muneris Propraetor Hispaniae.

Meo Novae Romae civis honore et coram Populi Romani deis atque deabus et eorum voluntate et favore, munus Propraetor Hispaniae ACCIPIO una cum iuribus, privilegiis munera atque officia quae meum munus comportat.

In Hispania Provincia, ante diem IV Idus Martii MMDCCLVII a.u.c.

Consules Cn. Salix Astur & Gn. Equitius Marinus

--------------------------

I, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) , do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval), swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and
private life.

I, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval), swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the
State Religion.

I, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval), swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval) further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Propraetor Hispaniae to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Propraetor Hispaniae and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

In Hispania Provincia, given on ante diem IV Idus Martii MMDCCLVII a.u.c.
In the consulship of Cn. Salix Astur and Gn. Equitius Marinus

---------------------------------------------------------

Yo, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval), por la presente juro solemnemente enaltecer el honor de Nova Roma y trabajar siempre por los legítimos intereses del Senado y el Pueblo de Nova Roma.

Como un magistrado de Nova Roma, yo, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval), juro honrar a los Dioses y Diosas de Roma en mis actividades públicas, y perseguir las Virtudes Romanas en mi vida pública y privada.

Yo, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval), juro mantener y defender la Religión Romana como Religión Estatal de Nova Roma, y nunca actuar de manera que pueda resultar amenazada su condición de Religión del Estado.

Yo, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval), juro proteger y defender la Constitución de Nova Roma.

Yo, Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius (David Pérez Sandoval), juro además cumplir con las obligaciones y responsabilidades del cargo de Propraetor Hispaniae, poniendo en ello toda mi capacidad y habilidades.

En mi honor de ciudadano de Nova Roma y en presencia de los dioses y diosas del pueblo romano y por su voluntad y favor, acepto el puesto de Propraetor Hispaniae y todos los derechos, privilegios, obligaciones y responsabilidades que mi puesto comporta.

En la provincia Hispania, ante diem IV Idus Martii MMDCCLVII a.u.c.
del Consulado de Cn. Salix Astur y Gn. Equitius Marinus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21380 From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: New file uploaded to Nova-Roma
Hello,

This email message is a notification to let you know that
a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the Nova-Roma
group.

File : /NewBudget2757.xls
Uploaded by : equitius_marinus <gawne@...>
Description : Final Approved Budget for 2757 auc

You can access this file at the URL

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/files/NewBudget2757.xls

To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit

http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files

Regards,

equitius_marinus <gawne@...>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21381 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Iuramenta
Salvete omnes,

Ego, L. Arminius Faustus, hoc ipso facto
sollemniter IVRO Novae Romae decus defendere et semper pro Novae
Romae Populo
atque Senatu agere.

Ut Novae Romae magistratus ego, L. Arminius Faustus, Romae deos
deasque colere IVRO in omnibus publicae vitae temporibus
atque Romanas virtutes et ublica et privata vita
persequi.

Ego, L. Arminius Faustus, Romanam religionem
favere et defendere IVRO ut Novae Romae Reipublicae religionem et
numquam agere
ita ut eius status publicae religionis
aliquid detrimenti capiat.

Praeterea ego, L. Arminius Faustus IVRO quam
optime fungi officium muneris Propraetor Brasiliae.

Meo Novae Romae civis honore et coram Populi Romani deis atque deabus
et eorum
voluntate et favore, munus Propraetor Brasiliae ACCIPIO una cum
iuribus,
privilegiis munera atque officia quae meum munus comportat.

In Brasilia Provincia, ante diem IV Idus Martii MMDCCLVII a.u.c.

Consules Cn. Salix Astur & Gn. Equitius Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21382 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Fwd: Latin Translation of the Oath of Office
Salvete Quirites,

As the new propraetors begin to post their oaths of office, I remind
them that this newer Latin translation of the oath was posted back in
January by my colleague, Consul Salix Astur. Please, if you're going
to swear your oath in Latin, use this version.

Valete,

-- Marinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Salix Astur <salixastur@y...>
wrote:
Cn. Salix Astur Quiritibus S.P.D.

For several years, our magistrates have sworn an oath upon their
appointment. This oath is officially defined by the Lex Iunia de
Iusiurando:
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/1999-10-19-ii.html

Some of our magistrates, in an effort to be closer to our forefathers,
have sworn a Latin translation of that oath at the same time as the
official English oath. Several such translations have circulated.

After some comments on this forum about the correctness of one of such
translations, I asked Flavia Tullia, our resident latinist, to provide
a translation of the official oath of office that could be presented to
the public as a possible addendum to that official oath of office.

She, with the help of other citizens like Praetor Cn. Octavius
Noricus, Aedilis Plebeia Emilia Curia Finnica and Aulus Aenobarbus,
has managed to fulfill this petition in a timely and proper manner.
Pontifex C. Iulius Scaurus acceded to revise the text and gave his
"imprimatur". So here it is:

Ego, ____________________hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me
defensurum/am, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum/am
esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego,____________________officio ___________________[consulis, etc.]
Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae
temporibus me culturum/am, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita
me persecuturum/am esse IVRO.

Ego____________________Religioni Romanae me fauturum/am et eam
defensurum/am, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum/am
esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, ___________________officiis muneris______________________me quam
optime functurum/am esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus ___________________una cum
iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.

What do you think, citizens? Should this Latin translation be added to
our official oath, so that the oath is made both in Latin and English?
I find it very appropriate, but I would like to know your opinion.

Flavia Tullia's explanation of the corrections needed by the previous
translation follows:

> Flavia Tullia quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque omnibus salutem
> plurimam dicit.
>
> Recently, several individuals posted comments on the Latinitas
> site regarding the correctness of the Latin in that version of the
> Nova Roman oath of office, a matter I had privately called to the
> attention of two magistrates.
>
> Among these postings was a very thorough analysis by Aedilis
> Plebis Emilia Curia Finnica, to which I responded at length. As a
> result of these messages, Senior Consul Gnaeus Salix Astur asked me
> to provide a corrected rendition of the Latin version of the oath of
> office. This has now been completed with the very able assistance of
> Praetor Gnaeus Octavius Noricus, who is very learned in the finer
> points of Latin grammar, and has been approved by Pontifex and Flamen
> Quirinalis Gaius Iulius Scaurus and transmitted to Consul Gnaeus
> Salix Astur, who will post it together with this explanation.
>
> This revision was undertaken for several reasons. There are
> numerous grammatical errors in the existing Latin text, which I shall
> detail below, as well as some of vocabulary. Moreover, the text as a
> whole is stylistically flawed, reflecting English rather than Latin
> word order and phraseology.
>
> Grammatically speaking, as Emilia Curia Finnica and Aulus
> Aenobarbus pointed out, (as did I privately), two verbs, "favere"
> and "fungi" are construed with the wrong cases. The former normally
> takes the dative, and the latter, the ablative, whereas both are
> construed with the accusative in the existing version. Secondly, the
> verb "iuro" requires the indirect statement construction rather than
> the simple infinitive used here, and, as Praetor Noricus pointed out,
> the future infinitive is better Latin than the present infinitive
> used in the existing oath. The pronominal object, "me," is also
> missing from the original. Thirdly, the phrase "una cum" in the last
> section is correctly construed with the first two nouns it
> governs, but the second pair of nouns are more clumsily rendered as
> accusative objects of the verb "comportat," which itself is not the
> best choice for this phrase.
>
> Stylistically, as noted above, the word order of the present
> version is far more English than Latin in flavor, and makes the text
> rather choppy.
> The principal verbs have been moved to their more normal final
> position in the sentences, and a (hopefully) more graceful word and
> phrase order used throughout. "Hoc ipso facto" in the first paragraph
> has been changed to "hac re ipsa," and the very difficult "ut" clause
> in the second paragraph has been supplanted by an ablative absolute
> (though a present participle might also work), for this is poor
> Latin, as noted by Aulus Aenobarbus and Emilia Curia Finnica,
> and "aliquid" replaced by the more normal, and better
> sounding, "quid" in the third paragraph.
>
> I would like to acknowledge gratefully the assistance of Praetor
> Gnaeus Octavius Noricus in preparing this text, which I have written
> and he has reviewed with suggestions for improvement, and thank
> Aedilis Plebis Emilia Curia Finnica and Aulus Aenobarbus for their
> extensive and well-done expositions on the original text. Herzlichen
> Dank, Praetor Noricus, and thanks also to Emilia Curia Finnica and
> Aulus Aenobarbus for pointing out some of the errors in the text of
> this oath. We hope that you, Quirites, like this version, and that
> future magistrates will use it, and that no previous authors will
> take offense at these emendations.
>
> Valete,
>
> Flavia Tullia Valeria Scholastica

Thank you very much, Flavia Tullia, for providing this translation to us.

=====
S.V.B.E.E.V
CN.SALIX.T.F.A.NEP.OVF.ASTVR

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21383 From: jmath669642reng@webtv.net Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: "Eagle"
Citizens of Nova Roma;

This is just a reminder to those who have committed to writing an
article(s) or would simply like to write one for the "Eagle," that the
submision date for the articles to "Eagle" is prior to the 20th of
March, and to the 20th of each month after March through December.

For those who may be interested in writing an rticle for "Eagle" here
are some of the parameters for an article:

--It can literally be of any size. If it is to big for one issue then
we will simply serialize it at a point that you select. Failing that, I
will select a point of division;

--It can be in any format but if possible I would like to see it in
plain text or (JPG)?? so that I might read it before publishing
(Grin!!!);

--Send your submissions to the below E-Mail address:

jmath669642reng@...

Since I have arranged a kind of complicated publishing process, if you
send submissons elsewhere, they may get lost;

--If you have any questions regarding "eagle" or the policies this year
governing "Eagle" then do not hesitate to ask.

--It can be about literally anything of interest within Nova Roma.
However, arguing a given side of a poitical question in "Eagle" is I
believe, futile because it is a month between issues, and I will hold ny
such article until I can post something bothsides of the question.

--I would ncourage all to consider writing something rgarding your
special interest in Roman Culture, a favorite person or persons, chariot
racing, military events, artisan skills, archaelogical discoveries,
agriculture, art. architecture, sea trade, land routes, colonization ,
etc.

Remember that "Eagle" is your publication, and it should not be left to
one person to select articles for "Eagle" as it tends to result in the
publication being slanted to his / her interests. I look forward to
your inputs. (-: (-: (-: (-:

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens -- Curator Differum -- "Eagle"


Wishing you all the best, with Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21384 From: Manius Constantinus Serapio Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Re: Senate Voting Results
AVETE OMNES

I wish to thank the Senate for trusting me and for appointing me
Governor Provinciae Italiae.
I also thank all those who are sending their congratulations, and
say ***congratulation*** to all of the prorogued and newly elected
Governors.
Still, after what recently happened in Hispania I really can not be
happy today. I feel very close to our fratres hispanici.

BENE VALETE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21385 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Oath of Office/IVRO
Salvete Quirites;

Ego, Septima Fabia Vera Fausta (Courtney Kirshner) hac re ipsa decus
Novae Romae me defensuram, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae
acturam ess sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Septima Fabia Vera Fausta (Courtney Kirshner) officio
propraetrictis Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus
meae vitae publicae temporibus me culturam, et virtutes Romanas
publica privataque vita me persecuturam esse IVRO.

Ego, Septima Fabia Vera Fausta (Courtney Kirshner) Religioni Romanae
me fauturam et eam defensuram, et numquam contra eius statum publicam
me acturam esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Septima Fabia Vera Fausta (Courtney Kirshner) officiis muneris
Propraetrix Hiberniae me quam optime functuram esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Propraetrix Hiberniae una cum
iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO
Consules Cn. salix Astur & Gn. Equitius Marinus
In Hibernia Provincia ante diem IV Idus Martii MMDCCLVII a.u.c.
**********************************************************************

I, Septima Fabia Vera Fausta (Courtney Kirshner), do hereby so swear
to uphold the honour of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Septima Fabia Vera Fausta (Courtney
Kirshner) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private
life.

I, Septima Fabia Vera Fausta (Courtney Kirshner), swear to uphold and
defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and
swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the
State Religion.

I, Septima Fabia Vera Fausta (Courtney Kirshner) swear to protect and
defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Septima Fabia Vera Fausta (Courtney Kirshner) further swear to
fufill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of
Propraetrix Hiberniae to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Propraetrix Hiberniae and all the rights,
privileges, obligations and responsabilities attendant thereto.

In Hibernia Provincia, given on the ante diem IV Idus Martii
MMDCCLVII a.u.c
In the consulship of Cn. Salix Astur and Gn. Equitius Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21386 From: Manius Constantinus Serapio Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Oath of office
AVETE OMNES

Ego, Manius Constantinus Serapio (Simone Lattes), hoc ipso facto
sollemniter IVRO Novae Romae decus defendere et semper pro Novae
Romae Populo atque Senatu agere.

Ut Novae Romae magistratus ego, Manius Constantinus Serapio (Simone
Lattes), Romae deos deasque colere IVRO in omnibus publicae vitae
temporibus atque Romanas virtutes et ublica et privata vita
persequi.

Ego, Manius Constantinus Serapio (Simone Lattes), Romanam religionem
favere et defendere IVRO ut Novae Romae Reipublicae religionem et
numquam agere ita ut eius status publicae religionis
aliquid detrimenti capiat.

> Praeterea ego, Manius Constantinus Serapio (Simone Lattes) IVRO
quam optime fungi officium muneris Propraetor Italiae.
>
> Meo Novae Romae civis honore et coram Populi Romani deis atque
deabus et eorum voluntate et favore, munus Propraetor Italiae
ACCIPIO una cum iuribus, privilegiis munera atque officia quae meum
munus comportat.

In Italia Provincia, ante diem IV Idus Martii MMDCCLVII a.u.c.

Consulibus Cn. Salice Asturi & Gn. Equitio Marino

--------------------------

I, Manius Constantinus Serapio (Simone Lattes) , do hereby solemnly
swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the
best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Manius Constantinus Serapio (Simone
Lattes), swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and
private life.

I, Manius Constantinus Serapio (Simone Lattes), swear to uphold and
defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and
swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the
State Religion.

I, Manius Constantinus Serapio (Simone Lattes), swear to protect and
defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Manius Constantinus Serapio (Simone Lattes) further swear to
fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of
Propraetor Italiae to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Propraetor Italiae and all the rights,
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

In Italia Provincia, given on ante diem IV Idus Martii MMDCCLVII
a.u.c.

In the consulship of Cn. Salix Astur and Gn. Equitius Marinus

OPTIME VALETE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Propraetor Italiae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21387 From: pompeia_cornelia Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Re: Oath of Office/IVRO
Salvete S. Fabia Vera Fausta et Omnes:

(actual oath snipped for brevity)

I wish to express my sincere congratulations to you, Fabia Vera on the
Senate's appointment of you as Propraetor Hibernia.

I do believe a wise decision was made, and if I may be so bold as to
say, I think you would make a fine consul someday. You are virtuous,
sincere in your aims, intelligent, and you extend the fairness of
genuine impartiality that is the hallmark of a naturally good leader.
Further, your patronii are Roman virtue and truth, and nothing or
nobody else.

I am sure you will make this geographical portion of Nova Roma grow
fervently, and in so doing, you will naturally add gravity to the
growth of the res publica herself.

Ave Propraetrix!

Pompeia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21388 From: pompeia_cornelia Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Re: Oath of office
Salvete Serapio et Omnes:

(oath snipped for brevity)

Congratulations Serapio on your appointment as Propraetor Italia!

I am sure you will do well. You will have access to much august
advice, from both your predecessor, F. Apulus Caesar, Tribunis et
Senator and many intelligent and experienced citizens within Italia.
I urge you to entertain their wisdom, in the evaluation of your
decisions with respect to the provincia, and from this, you will learn
much, and bring an even stronger Provincia to be lauded within the res
publica.

There are many offering 'advice' and there are few offering 'wisdom'.

Valete
Pompeia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21389 From: pompeia_cornelia Date: 2004-03-12
Subject: Re: Oath of office / Juramento / Iure
Salvete Propraetor Didius et Omnes:

(oath snipped for brevity)

Many congratulations on your recent appointment.

What can I say? Your actions of hard work and dedication speak for
themselves in a much louder voice that I could ever begin to
duplicate. I am truly proud of you.

In amicitia,
Pompeia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21390 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Congratulating the new governors
avete omnes,

I wish to congratulate all the new Governors of our Provinciae.

Among the others, my special greetings to three of them:
- Diana Octavia Aventina, as Quaestor, with whom I'm cooperating this
year for the Magna Mater Project
- Fabia Vera Fausta, also working with us at the same MM project
- Manius Constantinus Serapio, same as above, fellow country man and
new Propraetor Italiae.


valete
Marcus Iulius Perusianus, Aedilis Curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21391 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Oath of office
Salvete,

I, Diana Octavia Aventina (Joanne Agate-Amodea), do hereby solemnly
swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the
best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Diana Octavia Aventina (Joanne Agate-Amodea),
swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings,
and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Diana Octavia Aventina (Joanne Agate-Amodea), swear to uphold and
defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and
swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the
State Religion.

I, Diana Octavia Aventina (Joanne Agate-Amodea), swear to protect and
defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Diana Octavia Aventina (Joanne Agate-Amodea), further swear to
fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of
Propraetor Gallia to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Propraetor Gallia and all the rights,
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

In Provincia Gallia, given on ante diem IV Idus Martii MMDCCLVII
a.u.c.
In the consulship of Cn. Salix Astur and Gn. Equitius Marinus

Valete,
Diana Octavia Aventina
Propraetor Gallia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21392 From: Diana Aventina Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Propraetors
Salvete all,

I was checking to see if Lucius Rutilius Minervalis was still qualified to be a Provinicial Scriba or be appointed Legate since he did not (yet) pay his taxes this year. I see below that there is no problem.

LEX VEDIA DE ASSIDUI ET CAPITI CENSI says
C. No member of the capiti censi may run for or hold office as one of the ordinarii (including the apparitores), nor be appointed to or hold office as provincial governor. Members of the capiti censi may hold provincial or local offices at the discretion of the governor of the province in question.

BUT: it *is* a requirement of all Provincial Governors to be Assidui before they are appointed Governor. Fabia Vera Fausta is still Capite Censis although she has mentioned publicly here that she mailed in her payment to NR a while ago and I believe her. In all likelihood, her payment is either lost or still sitting on someone's desk waiting to be processed. Given that, her appointment should have been postponed until this payment is found and processed.

My former gensmate Laureatus Moravius wanted to run for office in Nov and was told that he couldn't because he had not paid his taxes. He would not even qualify to run had he the payment that day (which I would have been happy to do for him). So shouldn't the same strictness of the law apply to everyone? The Senate should follow the laws that they swear by and ensure that all applicants for Governor fill the requirements *when* they apply and not sometime after they are appointed into that office. We do have laws in place voted in by our citizenship and if they are not followed up on, then I don't see why we have them in the first place.

Valete,
Diana Octavia

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21393 From: Diana Aventina Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Edictum Propraetoricium I
Ex Officio Diana Octavia Aventina Propraetoris Galliae

Edictum Propraetoricium I

Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix is hereby released from his duties as Scriba Propraetoris.

This edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given March 13, in the year of the consulship of Gnaeus Salix Astur and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus 2757 AUC.

Diana Octavia Aventina
Propraetor Galliae


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21394 From: Diana Aventina Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Plans for Gallia
Salvete all,

Here is my plan for giving life to Provincia Gallia, which was part of my application to the Senate.
Some of them were part of my 'little things' to do discussion during the election for consul.

Any of the new Governors are free to use my ideas if they'd like :-)

My action plan to make Gallia a living and breathing province are as follows:

1) Translating of our NR brochures into Dutch & French.
2) A website in 3 languages (Dutch, French and English)
3) Eventually 2 Gallian chat groups (one for each language). The NR_Gallia list should remain the
list where
all Gallian citizens can be in contact with eachother in English.
4) Putting simple NR Brochures in various libraries, museums, bookstores and universities which will
direct them to the Gallia website and the NR mainsite.
5) Bimonthly gatherings- I would personally hostess the gatherings in Belgium and Holland. Someone
needs to be recruited from France to do the same.
6) A small quarterly newsletter (online) in a mix of English, Dutch and French letting citizens know
about archeological sites, museum exhibits, new books or news that is of Roman interest. The main
purpose of the newsletter is to make a feeling of community within the Province and to make people
realize that their Governor *and* Nova Roma remembers that they exist, even if they are rather quiet
citizens. Citizens will be encouraged to write articles in their own language.
7) Contacting and meeting the organizers of the 5 main Roman Weekends and the 2 permanent Roman
re-enactment sites that take place/are in Belgium & Holland in order to form strong bonds with
reenactment groups, the Gallo-Roman Bookstore, Roman jewelry craftsman, cooks, etc. (Someone needs
to be recruited from France to do the same there).
8) Attending Pagan gatherings and other cultural meetings in order to promote Nova Roma. Two are
already in my agenda.

My target is to have this all in motion within 3 months.

Valete,
Diana Octavia Aventina
Propraetor Gallia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21395 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Re: Propraetors
Diana Aventina wrote:

> Fabia Vera Fausta is still Capite Censis

No, she's Assudui.

Receipt of her payment was confirmed to me by the Quaestors. The
information posted on the novaroma.org website is not always up to date.

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21396 From: Diana Aventina Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Re: Propraetors
Salve Consul,

<No, she's Assudui.
<Receipt of her payment was confirmed to me by the Quaestors. The
<information posted on the novaroma.org website is not always up to date.

All is at it should be then. My apologies for believing that the Senate had forgotten to check if everyone was qualified.

Vale,
Diana

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21398 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Re: Propraetors
So shouldn't the same strictness of the law apply to everyone?
place.
>
>
Salve Diana Octavia;
I paid my taxes on Feb. 13 and sent the letter insured and
registered so it is not a matter of belief, as a good lawyer I have
the evidence;)
Seeing that my status was not changed to Assidui I wrote to our
Censor and then Caius Curius Saturninus (Feb 29th) and I do have the
dated emails enquiring into the matter.

Seeing as I am trying to organize a new Provincia I am very conscious
of being a good example for Nova Roma, so please don't make
assumptions & impugn the reputation of the Senate before acertaining
the facts.

bene vale in pace deorum

SEP. FABIA VERA FAVSTA
Propraetrix Provinciae Hiberniae

FYI: you are a Propraetrix, unless you've had
a sex change.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21399 From: pompeia_cornelia Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Re: Propraetors
---Salvete S. Fabia Vera et Omnes:

Credit where credit is due here, lol!

But you gotta admit, a very resourceful attempt to depose you of
office, before you've even sat in your gubernatorial chair, lol!

Pity that one destroys one's own dignatis in the attempt to smear
anothers, but that is a matter of personal choice I guess. A fellow
governor's qualifications, or disqualifications, should really be
issues elevated for discussion in private, but that is also a matter
of social taste and personal choice.



Pompeia





In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sep. Fabia Vera" <rory12001@y...> wrote:
>
> So shouldn't the same strictness of the law apply to everyone?
> place.
> >
> >
> Salve Diana Octavia;
> I paid my taxes on Feb. 13 and sent the letter insured and
> registered so it is not a matter of belief, as a good lawyer I have
> the evidence;)
> Seeing that my status was not changed to Assidui I wrote to our
> Censor and then Caius Curius Saturninus (Feb 29th) and I do have the
> dated emails enquiring into the matter.
>
> Seeing as I am trying to organize a new Provincia I am very conscious
> of being a good example for Nova Roma, so please don't make
> assumptions & impugn the reputation of the Senate before acertaining
> the facts.
>
> bene vale in pace deorum
>
> SEP. FABIA VERA FAVSTA
> Propraetrix Provinciae Hiberniae
>
> FYI: you are a Propraetrix, unless you've had
> a sex change.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21400 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Ludi Circenses for the Feria Quinquatriae
G. Iulius Scaurus S.P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

The first Ludi Circenses of the year will begin with those of the
Quinquatria on ante diem XII Kalendae Aprilis (March 21). Because of
the lateness of the promulgation of the edictum, subscriptions for
the Ludi Circenses of the quinquatria will be accepted until 12:01 AM,
Roman time, on ante diem XVII Kalendae Aprilis (March 16).

An entrant who wishes to participate in the Ludi Circenses must
send a subscription to D. Octavia Aventina at sacerdosveneris@...
no less than one week prior to the commencement of the ludi. Each
subscription must bear the subject header "Ludi Circenses" and include
the following information:

A. His/her name in Nova Roma;

B. The name of his/her driver;

C. The name of his/her chariot;

D. His/her tactics for the Quarter and Semifinals;

E. His/her tactics for the Finals;

F. The name of his/her "factio" or team (Albata, Praesina, Russata,
or Veneta);

G. Dirty actions against another factio in a specific round
(quarter-final, semi-final, or final) and amount of sesterces paid in
support of it (an entrant does not have to pay sesterces to commission
a dirty action, but doing so increases the chances of success);

H. Defence against dirty actions in a specific round (quarter-final,
semi-final, or final) and amount of sesterces paid in support of it
(an entrant does not have to pay sesterces to defend against a dirty
action, but doing so decreases the chances of success of the dirty
action);

I. If sesterces from multiple entrants are pooled to take a dirty
action or defend against a dirty action, the subscription of each
entrant of the pool must so indicate.

_________________________________________

Four (4) race tactics are possible:

A. To hurry in the last laps

B. To pass the curves closely the "spina" of the circus.

C. To support a constant pace

D. To lash the rivals

E. To push the rivals to the wall of the circus

F. To hurry in the straight lines

Entrants may also engage in dirty actions:

A. An entrant can try the assassination of the driver of a rival
factio or the sabotage of his/her chariot.

1. Assassination of the driver of a rival factio. The entrant must
specify which factio he/she attacks. The base chance of success is 30
%. If the attempt fails it is is discovered and the name of the
entrant who commissioned the assassination and those who contributed
sesterces in support of the assassination will be announced and
subject to disciplinary action by the Aediles Curules. Such
disciplinary action may include disqualification from the current
ludi, banning from future ludi for a specified period of time, or
banning from participation in the ludi for the remainder of the year.
The decision of the Aediles Curules in such matters is final. If the
attempt is successful, the player with the murdered driver cannot take
part in the race and the murderer remains undiscovered.

2. Sabotage of a chariot. The entrant must specify which factio
he/she attacks. The base chance is 45 %. If the attempt is
unsuccessful, it is discovered and the name of the entrant who
commissioned the assassination and those who contributed sesterces in
support of the sabotage will be announced and subject to disciplinary
action by the Aediles Curules. Such disciplinary action may include
disqualification from the current ludi, banning from future ludi for a
specified period of time, or banning from participation in the ludi
for the remainder of the year. The decision of the Aediles Curules in
such matters is final. If the attempt is successful, the player with
the broken chariot will have an accident in the race.

B. Defence against and support for dirty actions. Each entrant shall
receive one hundred sesterces for each ludi. These sesterces may be
used in any round of any race, accumulated from race to race, or
accumulated from other entertainments (e.g., official-sponsored
wagering on munera). These sesterces are not redeemable in Nova Roman
or any other currency and may not be used outside the ways specified
in this edictum. The Aediles Curules shall record the number of
sesterces held and expended by each entrant and their computations
shall be final and unappealable. The sesterces may be expended in any
of the following ways:

1. Application of one hundred sesterces by any entrant to defence of
his/her driver and chariot will render the driver and chariot immune
for one round in the ludi;

2. Entrants from the same factio may pool their sesterces for defence
in a round; for every one hundred sesterces pooled, the chance of
success of a dirty action against that factio is reduced by 5% in that
round.

3. Entrants may pool their sesterces for offence in a round; for
every one hundred sesterces pooled, the chance of success of a dirty
action against the targeted factio is increased by 5% in that round.

The full rules for the Ludi Circenses may be found in the edictum
listed below.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis


EDICTUM AEDILICIUM DE RATIONE LUDORUM CIRCENSUM

I. Any Nova Roman citizen or socius who is not under Aedilician
sanction may take part in the Ludi Circenses organised by the Aediles
Curules. Each citizen may enter no more than one chariot per ludi.

II. An entrant who wishes to participate in the Ludi Circenses must
send a subscription to D. Octavia Aventina at sacerdosveneris@...
no less than one week prior to the commencement of the ludi. Each
subscription must bear the subject header "Ludi Circenses" and include
the following information:

A. His/her name in Nova Roma;

B. The name of his/her driver;

C. The name of his/her chariot;

D. His/her tactics for the Quarter and Semifinals;

E. His/her tactics for the Finals;

F. The name of his/her "factio" or team (Albata, Praesina, Russata,
or Veneta);

G. Dirty actions against another factio in a specific round
(quarter-final, semi-final, or final) and amount of sesterces paid in
support of it (an entrant does not have to pay sesterces to commission
a dirty action, but doing so increases the chances of success);

H. Defence against dirty actions in a specific round (quarter-final,
semi-final, or final) and amount of sesterces paid in support of it
(an entrant does not have to pay sesterces to defend against a dirty
action, but doing so decreases the chances of success of the dirty
action);

I. If sesterces from multiple entrants are pooled to take a dirty
action or defend against a dirty action, the subscription of each
entrant of the pool must so indicate.

III. Tactics: Four (4) race tactics are possible:

A. To hurry in the last laps

B. To pass the curves closely the "spina" of the circus.

C. To support a constant pace

D. To lash the rivals

E. To push the rivals to the wall of the circus

F. To hurry in the straight lines

IV. Dirty actions.

A. An entrant can try the assassination of the driver of a rival
factio or the sabotage of his/her chariot.

1. Assassination of the driver of a rival factio. The entrant must
specify which factio he/she attacks. The base chance of success is 30
%. If the attempt fails it is is discovered and the name of the
entrant who commissioned the assassination and those who contributed
sesterces in support of the assassination will be announced and
subject to disciplinary action by the Aediles Curules. Such
disciplinary action may include disqualification from the current
ludi, banning from future ludi for a specified period of time, or
banning from participation in the ludi for the remainder of the year.
The decision of the Aediles Curules in such matters is final. If the
attempt is successful, the player with the murdered driver cannot take
part in the race and the murderer remains undiscovered.

2. Sabotage of a chariot. The entrant must specify which factio
he/she attacks. The base chance is 45 %. If the attempt is
unsuccessful, it is discovered and the name of the entrant who
commissioned the assassination and those who contributed sesterces in
support of the sabotage will be announced and subject to disciplinary
action by the Aediles Curules. Such disciplinary action may include
disqualification from the current ludi, banning from future ludi for a
specified period of time, or banning from participation in the ludi
for the remainder of the year. The decision of the Aediles Curules in
such matters is final. If the attempt is successful, the player with
the broken chariot will have an accident in the race.

B. Defence against and support for dirty actions. Each entrant shall
receive one hundred sesterces for each ludi. These sesterces may be
used in any round of any race, accumulated from race to race, or
accumulated from other entertainments (e.g., official-sponsored
wagering on munera). These sesterces are not redeemable in Nova Roman
or any other currency and may not be used outside the ways specified
in this edictum. The Aediles Curules shall record the number of
sesterces held and expended by each entrant and their computations
shall be final and unappealable. The sesterces may be expended in any
of the following ways:

1. Application of one hundred sesterces by any entrant to defence of
his/her driver and chariot will render the driver and chariot immune
for one round in the ludi;

2. Entrants from the same factio may pool their sesterces for defence
in a round; for every one hundred sesterces pooled, the chance of
success of a dirty action against that factio is reduced by 5% in that
round.

3. Entrants may pool their sesterces for offence in a round; for
every one hundred sesterces pooled, the chance of success of a dirty
action against the targeted factio is increased by 5% in that round.

V. Organisation of Competition.

A. There will be three rounds to each competition: quarter,
semi-finals, and final.

B. The competition will be for elimination in each round. Every race
will involve no more than four entrants.

C. In the Quarter rounds there will be one entrant from each factio
in each race, unless there are too few entrants from a factio to make
this possible. The first two first place entrants shall advance to
the semi-final round; the remaining two entrants will be eliminated.

D. In the Semifinal round the winners of the Quarter rounds shall
compete. The winning entrants of the Semi-final rounds shall advance
to the final.

E. In the Final round the four best players race; the first place
entrant shall be the winner of the ludi.

VI. Computation of victory.

A. Accidents.

1. Before doing the calculations of a race, the Aediles Curules
determine who has an accident. For it, they roll one dice 0-100 for
every chariot. The resultant number will be its percentage of accident:

- The drivers with tactics 1 will have 0 to 15 percentage of accident
always. 0 to 25 if there are one or more drivers with tactics 4 or 5.

- The drivers with tactics 2 will have 0 to 20 percentage of accident
always. 0 to 35 if there are one or more drivers with tactics 4 or 5.

- The drivers with tactics 3 will have 0 to 10 percentage always.

- The drivers with tactics 4 will have 0 to 15 percentage always. 0 to
25 if there are other drivers with tactics 4.

- The drivers with tactics 5 will have 0 to 15 always. 0 to 25 if
there are other drivers with tactics 5.

- The drivers with tactics 6 will have 0 to 5 percentage always. 0 to
20 if there are other drivers with tactics 4 or 5.

B. Calculation of the races.

1. The Aediles Curules shall determine whether any dirty actions are
successful. If a dirty action is determined to be successful, a
chariot shall be eliminated by lot from among the entrants of the
targeted factio and either declare the driver assassinated or that an
accident caused by sabotage has occurred.

2. After determining which chariots (if any) have been eliminated
from a race due to an accident, the Aediles Curules must calculate the
order in which the remaining teams finished the race.

3. The Aediles Curules will roll one die 0-10 for every entrant. This
will be the Value of Race (VR) of every car.

4. To know the final position of a chariot in the race the VR of
every player is divided by the sum of all the VR and the result is
multiplied by 50. This ewstablishes each entrant's Chance to Win (CW).
For example, if there is a race with 4 chariots with these VR: 6,5,4,2
then the first chariot, with the VR 6, would have the following Chance
to to Win: 6/17 (17 is the sum of 6+5+4+2) x 50 = 17.6 (rounding, 18).
The CW of the first chariot will be 18 points. The second chariot,
with VR 5, would have 5/17x50 = 14.7 (rounding, 15), therefore its CW
is 15 points.

5. The tactics modify the CW of the following way:

Tactics 1) +6 points.

Tactics 2) +8 points.

Tactics 3) No points. The tactics 4 and 5 do not affect it.

Tactics 4) +2 points. The tactics 5 do not affect it.

Tactics 5) +2 points. The tactics 4 do not affect it.

Tactics 6) +4 points.

For example, the Aediles Curules assign each entrant a specific range
of numbers out of a series of 100 that is equal to the entrant's
Chance to Win. They assign these team ranges consecutively. In our
sample race, for example, Chariot 1's range (with tactics 2) would be
01 through 25 (18+7). Chariot 2's range (with tactics 4) would be 26
through 40.

6. In the final step the Aediles Curules will roll a die 0-100 to
determine the order of finish. The chariot within whose range the
first dice 0-100 roll falls is the team that finishes the race in
first place. The chariot within whose range the second dice 0-100 roll
falls is the team that finishes the race in second place. The chariot
within whose range the third D100 roll falls is the chariot that
finishes the race in third place, and so on. Once a chariot's position
has been determined, subsequent rolls that fall within its range are
ignored and the Aediles Curules roll again.

VII. Automatic computation of results by computer in accordance with
the rules established herein is permitted.

VIII. This edictum takes effect immediately.

Given on ante diem V Idus Martii in the consulship of Cn. Salix Astur
and Gn. Equitius Marinus.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis

M. Iulius Perusianus
Aedilis Curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21401 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: (no subject)
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem III Idus Martii; the day is endotercisus.

Tomorrow is pridie Idus Martii; the day is nefastus publicus and the
Feria Equirriae. As in the first Equirria, a Certamen, a set of horse
races, was held in the Campus Martius. From the construction of the
Circus Flaminius the races of the Equirria were held therein (probably
moved from a course along the Via Latia, but this is uncertain).
These races were preceeded by a sacrifice to Mars and a parade of the
Ordo Equester. Ovid writes of the second Equirria (_Fasti_, 3.517-522):

When He shall have raised the spheres six times, and in like number
submerged them in the ocean, He who carries day on his chariot,
you will see another Equirria on the grassy Campus Martius,
which borders the sinuous waters of the Tiber;
however, the races having been driven away by flood, if it shall
continue strongly,
dusty Caelius may effortlessly receive the horses.

Thus, in case of flood, the Certamen was moved to the Caelian.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21402 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: ante diem III Idus Martii
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem III Idus Martii; the day is endotercisus.

Tomorrow is pridie Idus Martii; the day is nefastus publicus and the
Feria Equirriae. As in the first Equirria, a Certamen, a set of horse
races, was held in the Campus Martius. From the construction of the
Circus Flaminius the races of the Equirria were held therein (probably
moved from a course along the Via Latia, but this is uncertain).
These races were preceeded by a sacrifice to Mars and a parade of the
Ordo Equester. Ovid writes of the second Equirria (_Fasti_, 3.517-522):

When He shall have raised the spheres six times, and in like number
submerged them in the ocean, He who carries day on his chariot,
you will see another Equirria on the grassy Campus Martius,
which borders the sinuous waters of the Tiber;
however, the races having been driven away by flood, if it shall
continue strongly,
dusty Caelius may effortlessly receive the horses.

Thus, in case of flood, the Certamen was moved to the Caelian.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21403 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Roman Traction Systems
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Roman Traction Systems":

http://www.humanist.de/rome/rts/index.html

This essay by Judith A. Weller describes in detail the systems used by
the Romans for the movement of men and materials by horsepower.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21404 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Re: Oath of Office & 1st Meeting of the Hiberni
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_cornelia"
<scriba_forum@h...> wrote:
> Salvete S. Fabia Vera Fausta et Omnes:
>
> (actual oath snipped for brevity)
>
> I wish to express my sincere congratulations to you, Fabia Vera on
the

Avete Quirites;
I wish to thank you all for your kind words of congratulations and
to say I pray Fortuna shines upon all my fellow Governors; they are
all examples for me to emulate.
And my thanks to you Pompeia Cornelia for all your kind words, I
hope to be worthy of them. Really the Governor of a new province has
an impressive title but the reality is hands-on-training as Scriba,
Legata, Questrix and general dogsbody!
But the reality as I met with my fellow Hiberni last Saturday was
worth every minute of effort. Titus Maxentius Verus whom I met in
last summer's "Intro to Nova Roma Course", Decimus Gladius Lupus who
wants to form a legion and said "let's get a group to go to Segovia"
and Gnaeus Porsennius Kaeso from Limerick who drove clear across
Hibernia to meet and got stuck in traffic & then sent me his email
for Bulgaria. What a great bunch & the sheer enjoyment of talking
about Roma for hours with no one's eyes glazing over; quite the
opposite!
I even had the good fortune to interest a friend, a former
Minister of Education, in the Magna Mater Project and he personally
accompanied me over to the EU Parliament Office in Dublin to find out
about possible EU funding for the Project.
So my thanks for the warm words of support; I am very lucky that
the Hiberni are such sociable & motivated cives!

bene valete in pace deorum
SEP. FABIA VERA FAVSTA
Propraetrix Provinciae Hiberniae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21405 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Congratulations to the new governors
Salvete Propraetores!

My deepest congratulations for _all_ appointed Governors and
especially the following new ones:

Illustris Lucius Arminius Faustus as Propraetor of Brasilia
Illustra Septima Fabia Vera Fausta as Propraetor of Hibernia
Illustris Lucius Didius Geminius Sceptius as Propraetor of Hispania
Illustris Manius Constantinus Serapio as Propraetor of Italia.
Illustris Quintus Lanius Paulinus as Propraetor of Canada Occidentalis
Illustris Gaius Lanius Falco as Propraetor of Nova Britannia

I think that You all have a lot to contribute to Nova Roma.
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21406 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Congratulations the new Translators!
Salvete Interpretes!

I hereby congratulate the two following new Interpretes:

Illustris Titus Arminius Genialis as an official Translator of
Portuguese (Português).
Illustris Lucius Cornelius Cicero as an official Translator of Afrikaans.

Nov Roma is happy to have such citizens within itself. We need the
website and also different kinds of communications translated to many
languages. With these appointments we now have guaranteed the
translation of one "old" and one "new" language. Thank You both of
You for offering yourself for service!
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21407 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-13
Subject: Consular Edictum: Senate Code of Conduct Commission
Ex Officio Consulis Gnaei Equiti Marini

EDICTVM CONSVLARE V: Consilium institutionis moralis Senatui creandae
constituens

Establishing a Commission to develop a code of conduct for the Senate


Quoniam Senatus Novae Romae et summum Rei Publicae collegium suasorum
et Novae Romae constitutae rectorum, convenit ut Senatores omnes regulis
excelsis moralibus teneantur. Ergo, consilium consulare Senatorum
institutionis morum Senatui Novae Romae studendae et creandae causa ex
hoc constituitur.

The Senate of Nova Roma being both the premier advisory body of the
Republic and the Board of Directors of NovaRoma Incorporated, it is
appropriate that all Senators shall be held to high standards of
conduct. Therefore, a consular commission of Senators is hereby
established for the study and creation of a Code of Conduct for the
Senate of Nova Roma.

I. Ex hoc, Senatores sequentes Consilio Consulari de Institutione
Morali Senatui destinantur:

I. The following Senators are hereby appointed to the Consular
Commission on a Senate Code of Conduct:

Patricia Cassia
Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quintus Fabius Maximus
Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens

II. Hoc Consilium Consulare institutiones morales Senatuum aliorumque
similium nunc exsistantium quibus ius et legum scribendarum in patriis
Europaeis Americanisque inspiciet, et quas talium patriarum
collegiorumque negotiorum qualium Consilium idoneas existimet.

II. This Consular Commission shall examine the ethical codes of
existing legislative bodies in modern European and American nations, and
such other nations and corporations as the Commission may consider
appropriate.

III. Secundum hoc studium, Institutio Moralis Senatui Novae Romae
creabitur ut Senatui praebeatur et Senatus consultu adsciscatur.

III. Based on this study, a Code of Conduct for the Senate of Nova Roma
shall be developed for presentation to the Senate and adoption by
Senatus consultum.

IV. Magister Consili Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens erit.

IV. The Commission shall be chaired by Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens.

V. Licet Magistro Consili participes Consili talibus negotiis internis
destinare qualibus necessariis ad certum faciendum ut Consilium
rectissime administretur.

V. The Commission Chair may appoint members of the Commission to such
internal tasks as may be necessary to insure the optimal operation of
the Commission.

VI. Magister Consili praeiudicium ante Kalendas Iunias, et
renuntiationem ultimam ante Kalendas Septembres Consuli Gnaeo Equitio
Marino providebit. Renuntiatio ultima Senatus consultum commendatum
continebit, et unam vel plures opiniones partis minoris habeat, si
delecti ad haec non inter se una voce conveniant.

VI. The Commission Chair shall provide a preliminary report to Consul
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus not later than the Kalends of Iunius, and a
Final Report not later than the Kalends of Septembris. The Final Report
shall include a recommended Senatus Consultum, and may also include one
or more minority opinions in the event that the members of the
commission do not reach consensus.

Hoc edictum statim valet.

This edict is effective immediately.

Datum sub manu mea ante diem tertium Idus Martias, MMDCCVII A.V.C.

Given under my hand this 13th day of March, 2757 ab urbe condita

Gnaeo Salice Asturi Gnaeo Equitio Marino consulibus.

In the consulship of Gnaeus Salix Astur and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21408 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: (no subject)
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is pridie Idus Martii; the day is nefastus publicus and the
Feria Equirriae. As in the first Equirria, a Certamen, a set of horse
races, was held in the Campus Martius. From the construction of the
Circus Flaminius the races of the Equirria were held therein (probably
moved from a course along the Via Latia, but this is uncertain).
These races were preceeded by a sacrifice to Mars and a parade of the
Ordo Equester. Ovid writes of the second Equirria (_Fasti_, 3.517-522):

When He shall have raised the spheres six times, and in like number
submerged them in the ocean, He who carries day on his chariot,
you will see another Equirria on the grassy Campus Martius,
which borders the sinuous waters of the Tiber;
however, the races having been driven away by flood, if it shall
continue strongly,
dusty Caelius may effortlessly receive the horses.

Thus, in case of flood, the Certamen was moved to the Caelian.

Tomorrow is the Idus Martii; the day is nefastus publicus and the
Feria Annae Perennae. The Idus was sacred to Iuppiter Optimus
Maximus; the Flamen Dialis sacrificed a white ewe to Iuppiter on each
Idus.

The Feria Annae Perennae honours the Goddess Anna Perenna. Ovid
presents two accounts of Anna Perenna. In the first (_Fasti__
3.545-656) Anna was the daughter of Belus of Sidon and the sister of
Dido, who fled to Aeneas' welcome in Latium, but being warned of the
jealously of Lavinia, Aeneas' wife, committed suicide in the river
Numicius. She was raised by the Gods to a place among them as the
nymph of the Numicius. In the second (_Fasti_ 3.661-74), she was an
old woman of Bovilla provided the plebs with cakes, ennabling them to
survive during the first secession of the plebs to Mons Sacer.
Macrobius, Saturnalia 1.12.5-6, offers a more symbolic explanation:

5 This was the ordination of Romulus who named the first month of the
year for his father Mars: it is most greatly shown that the first
month of year and from this, because from that Quintilis is fifth, and
they were named successively for number.
6 Of this also on the first day they lit the new fire on the altar of
Vesta, in order that, the year starting, anew the duty of watching
over the renewed fire might begin; and likewise, month being begun, so
in the the regia and curiae and the homes of the flamens old laurel
crowns were exchanged for new laurel crowns; and in the same month
both publicly and privately sacrifice is offered to Anna Perenna. in
order that one may be permitted to live through a year and to do so
for many years [annare perennareque] comfortably.

Ovid (_Fasti_ 3.523-534) describes the celebration of the feria:

On the Ides is the merry festival of Anna Perenna,
not far from your banks, traveller of the Tiber.
The people come and, scattered here and there, absorb the green grass,
and recline each near to his.
Under Iuppiter a part remains, a few erect tents,
they are by whom out of branches a leafy hut is made.
A part, where for rigid columns they set up branches,
overhead they pend togas.
Yet on the ground by wine they are inflamed, and pray for as many years
as they may obtain and they drink as many draughts as to that number.
If there is such a man who had reached the age of Nestor,
let him assure himself the age of the Sibyl.

The revelry was accompanied first by theatrical recitations, which
quickly devolved to rowdy songs and dances in various states of
undress. Ovid also reports that girls sang obscene songs in honour of
Anna Perenna (_Fasti_ 3.675-696).

The sanctuary of Anna Perenna was located at the first milestone of
the Via Flaminia.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21409 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: pridie Idus Martii
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is pridie Idus Martii; the day is nefastus publicus and the
Feria Equirriae. As in the first Equirria, a Certamen, a set of horse
races, was held in the Campus Martius. From the construction of the
Circus Flaminius the races of the Equirria were held therein (probably
moved from a course along the Via Latia, but this is uncertain).
These races were preceeded by a sacrifice to Mars and a parade of the
Ordo Equester. Ovid writes of the second Equirria (_Fasti_, 3.517-522):

When He shall have raised the spheres six times, and in like number
submerged them in the ocean, He who carries day on his chariot,
you will see another Equirria on the grassy Campus Martius,
which borders the sinuous waters of the Tiber;
however, the races having been driven away by flood, if it shall
continue strongly,
dusty Caelius may effortlessly receive the horses.

Thus, in case of flood, the Certamen was moved to the Caelian.

Tomorrow is the Idus Martii; the day is nefastus publicus and the
Feria Annae Perennae. The Idus was sacred to Iuppiter Optimus
Maximus; the Flamen Dialis sacrificed a white ewe to Iuppiter on each
Idus.

The Feria Annae Perennae honours the Goddess Anna Perenna. Ovid
presents two accounts of Anna Perenna. In the first (_Fasti__
3.545-656) Anna was the daughter of Belus of Sidon and the sister of
Dido, who fled to Aeneas' welcome in Latium, but being warned of the
jealously of Lavinia, Aeneas' wife, committed suicide in the river
Numicius. She was raised by the Gods to a place among them as the
nymph of the Numicius. In the second (_Fasti_ 3.661-74), she was an
old woman of Bovilla provided the plebs with cakes, ennabling them to
survive during the first secession of the plebs to Mons Sacer.
Macrobius, Saturnalia 1.12.5-6, offers a more symbolic explanation:

5 This was the ordination of Romulus who named the first month of the
year for his father Mars: it is most greatly shown that the first
month of year and from this, because from that Quintilis is fifth, and
they were named successively for number.
6 Of this also on the first day they lit the new fire on the altar of
Vesta, in order that, the year starting, anew the duty of watching
over the renewed fire might begin; and likewise, month being begun, so
in the the regia and curiae and the homes of the flamens old laurel
crowns were exchanged for new laurel crowns; and in the same month
both publicly and privately sacrifice is offered to Anna Perenna. in
order that one may be permitted to live through a year and to do so
for many years [annare perennareque] comfortably.

Ovid (_Fasti_ 3.523-534) describes the celebration of the feria:

On the Ides is the merry festival of Anna Perenna,
not far from your banks, traveller of the Tiber.
The people come and, scattered here and there, absorb the green grass,
and recline each near to his.
Under Iuppiter a part remains, a few erect tents,
they are by whom out of branches a leafy hut is made.
A part, where for rigid columns they set up branches,
overhead they pend togas.
Yet on the ground by wine they are inflamed, and pray for as many years
as they may obtain and they drink as many draughts as to that number.
If there is such a man who had reached the age of Nestor,
let him assure himself the age of the Sibyl.

The revelry was accompanied first by theatrical recitations, which
quickly devolved to rowdy songs and dances in various states of
undress. Ovid also reports that girls sang obscene songs in honour of
Anna Perenna (_Fasti_ 3.675-696).

The sanctuary of Anna Perenna was located at the first milestone of
the Via Flaminia.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21410 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: The Roman Forum of 179 AD
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "The Roman Forum of 179 AD":

http://www.quiknet.com/%7Efifi/index50.html

This site provides a wonderful photograph of the reconstruction of the
Roman Forum made by Robert Garbisch in clay (the site tends to load
slowly).

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21411 From: Pompeia Cornelia Strabo Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: Re: [cohors_mip] March bulletin: my parts
THE MAGNA MATER PROJECT MONTHLY BULLETIN MARCH 2757 A.V.C.


______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________



I. COHORS AEDILES WEBSITE

Some new photos have been placed on the website by the retarius/webmaster C.
Curius Saturninus, which detail recent archaelogical developments, et al.
These can be seen at
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/magnamater4.html.





II. MM PROJECT GENERAL PLAN

In this section we are going to provide some details, as soon as new ideas
are elaborated on. Of course we are focused especially in the
short period goals (the official website being our main goal at the
moment).

I. Official website for information and fund-raising (see section V)

II. Material to promote this project:
- leaflets
- fliers
- publications

III. 6-months scholarship for a student of the University of Rome


IV. Multimedia CD ROM



V. Yearly scholarship


VI. Financing an academic publication by Prof. Pensabene


VII. Photo exhibition


VIII. Restoration of materials from the Sanctuary (vases, terracotta,
amphoras, columns)

One of our members Ms. Courtney Kirshner, President of the Harvard Club
of Ireland is working with Harvard alumnus Mr.Richard Burke, former Irish
Minister of Education and former EU Commissioner to explore avenues of
potential European Union funding for the MM project.


III. UNIVERSITY COOPERATION

We are proud, and equally excited to announce that, thanks to our
cooperation with the
University of Rome, on Friday April 16 2004, some Nova Roman citizens and
their friends will be able to visit the South-Western area of the Palatine
hill.
This is* very* special, considering that this very area, where the
Sanctuary of the Magna Mater stands, has been closed for years.
Soprintendenza Archeologica di Roma has booked us a visit for a group
(maximun 15 people).

********* IMPORTANT *******
If someone has planned to visit Rome in that day, he can write to the
Aedile Curule Marcus Iulius Perusianus (m_iulius@... - m_iulius at
virgilio dot it) and be with us for the visit.
Of course, it will be a pleasure, if he or she can be also a guest for the
yearly Italian Meeting on 17-18 April, in proximity of the birthday of
Rome.
***************************

The visit is comprehensive of the house of Augustus (two out of three
rooms) and the proximity of the Temple of Victory, the Scala Caci, the
Romulean huts and Clivus Victoriae.


IV. OFFICIAL SITE OF THE MAGNA MATER

As the fund-raising is increasing, we are studying how the editorial staff
will be composed. It will be responsible for the content of the website,
once the Software company starts working for us to build the general
structure of the official website.

At the moment we are also making decisions regarding the purchase of the
Internet space and
the definition of the server parameters. We plan to acquire this space (and
server name) within the next month, according to the best offer in terms of
price and quality of the service.

These will be the general characteristics:

infrastucture:
- usability in two languages (Italian and English)
- professional graphic lay-out
- database of users and passwords

languages and script:
- HTML language
- FLASH movies
- form-mails, javascript, CSS and CGI
- PHP (contents)



In addition to the above, we are discussing the best means of pamphlet
production, so that literature on this project may be distributed easily and
at a nominal cost. Initially, we are considering two languages, English and
Italian.




V: FINANCIAL STANDING/FUNDRAISING

As of March 7 2004, Quaestor D. Octavia Aventina reports a balance from
donations of 267,85 Euros, or approximately $332.00 USD, as per the exchange
rate of this date.



The office of the Curule Aedile Marcus Iulius Perusianus, with assistance
from M. Constantius Serapio, has written an invitation to those who have
websites within Nova Roma, such as Academiae Thule et Italia, Provincial
Governors, Cohors and others to include the Magna Mater Banner on their site
as a means of broadening advertisement and encouragement of donations. The
banner may be viewed at

http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/magnamater4.html

If you haven't been contacted and are interested in hosting the Magna Mater
Banner on your website please write M_Iulius@...



The Cohorte of the Magna Mater Project, under the Curule Aedileship of G.
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who have donated to this worthwhile cause:

Vopisca Iulia Cocceia
C. Fabius Quintilianus
C. Curius Saturninus
Emilia Curio Finnica
Gaius Noricus Octavius
Minucius Lovinus
P. Cornelia
G. Vipsanius Agrippa
D. Octavia Aventina

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VI: HISTORY OF THE PROJECT


Cohorte Member S. Fabia Vera Fausta has recently read a book by Professor
Lynn Roller, entitled "In Search of God the Mother". The book discusses the
waning presence of the Goddess in modern religion, and includes an
informative section on the Magna Mater, as well as the latest findings of
Professor Pensabene of the University of Rome, whom Aedile Marcus Iulius
Perusianus met with recently, as relayed in the last Magna Mater Bulletin.

The last portion of the book deals with the Magna Mater in Rome, and the
work has a very interesting discussion on the origin of the Stone of Cybele,
that it must have come from Pergamum, not Mount Pessmus as often thought,
and that the Romans were very well informed about the nature of the Cult of
Magna Mater. Thanks to S. Fabia Vera, for calling our attention to this
book.

**************


Our research continues on the 'eye of Cybele' or the Stone of Cybele . Some
of the sources found by Cohorte member Drusilla Iulia Hibernia from the 1st
and 2nd Century AC are rather Christian sympathetic in nature; the source of
the description below, naturally, offers some subjective digressions as to
the viability of the deitific properties of the stone, but this physical
description is agreed upon:

"If histories tell the truth and do not insert what is false in their
account of events, nothing else truly is said to have been brought from
Phrygia, sent by King Attabus, than a stone, not large, which could be
carried in a man's hand without any pressure - of a dusky and black colour -
not smooth, but having little corners standing out"

Arrobius "Seven Books Against the Heathens (adversus gentes)

*****************


MUTITATIONES were private rituals held on the last day of the feria
Megalesiae in the form of a sellisternium in which a seated image of the
Magna Mater took the place of honour at the meal.

The prospect is being entertained of how these traditional rituals could be
incorporated into this project as both a religious observance and as a fund
raiser. Such decisions would fall within the authority of the collegium, if
they were to become an official public observance, however. Traditionally
they were religio privatus in nature.

Pontiff et Curule Aedile G. Iulius Scarus digresses further on the nature of
these observances:

The traditional offerings of food and libations associated with Roman
mealtimes were made (such offerings always took place 'after' the mortals
had eaten, rather than before, as in the epulum of Temple Sacrifices-in the
context of epula, not just mutitatio). The Caerimonia associated with such
offerings was propitiation as in the praefatio of a temple sacrifice,
usually food first:

"N. te his libis ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens propitius
mihi, domo meo familiesque mea" {"N, by offering these cakes to you, I pray
good prayers, so that you be willingly propitius to me, my household and my
familia"}

Then a libation of wine:

"N, uti te libis ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdom re ergo
macte vino inferio esto"
{"N., as by offering to you the cakes and virtuous prayers well prayed, for
the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine"}

Mutitationes were traditionally organized by Sodalitates, groups of private
priests who were responsible for a particular ritual occasion (on this
occasion it was a private association of patresfamilias acting as priests of
their familiae).

Many thanks to Pontiff Scaurus for enlightening us as to to how the Magna
Mater was honoured through the Mutitationes in Antiquita. Also, our thanks
to S. Fabia Vera Fausta for initiating discussion and investigation of this
idea and its application to Nova Roma and the Magna Mater Project.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21412 From: labienus@novaroma.org Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: Re: Hi
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21413 From: Diana Aventina Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: Attn Lucius Cornelius Cicero
Salve Cicero,

Can you contact me offlist at diana@... ?
We can work together on some of the translations since Dutch and Afrikaans are so closely related.

Vale,
Diana Octavia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21414 From: Diana Aventina Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: Re: Congratulations to the new governors
> My deepest congratulations for _all_ appointed Governors (snipped)

Thank you Caeso Fabius!! I apreciate your kind words!

Vale,
Diana Octavia
Propraetor Gallia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21415 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: FERIA EQUIRRIAE SECUNDAE - THE SACRIFICES
The day of the Equirria begins shortly after dawn with a sacrifice* at
the Ara Martis in the Campus Martius, not far from the Porta
Fontinalis in the Servian wall, west of the Via Latia, the altar where
Romulus and Numa sacrificed. The pontifices are there and the Flamen
Martialis. Silence is pronounced and the sacred flute plays to
prevent an inauspicious sound from disturbing the caaerimonia. The
Capitoline Triad is invoked with Quirinus by offerings of incense and
libations of unmixed wine, prayers to Mars Himself addressed by the
Flamen Quirinalis on half of the Senate and People of Rome, the
Quirites. The victim, an ox, garlanded white white and scarlet woolen
ribbons, his back covered with an elaborately embroidered and fringed
dorsuale, is brought forward. The dorsuale is removed by attendants,
then the Flamen Martialis pours a few drops of wine upon the ox's
head, sprinkles the victim's back with mola salsa, and draws the
bronze sacrificial blade down the ox's back. The Flamen Martialis
commands the victimarius to strike, bringing the bronze poleaxe down
upon the victim's head. Stunned, the ox goes to his knees, and another
victimarius neatly cuts the victim's throat. Within moments the
victim is dead. This victim is placed on his back, the belly opened
quickly, and the haruspex inspects the internal organs (exta): the
liver, the lungs, the biliary blister, peritoneum and heart. Each is
normal, and the haruspex and Flamen Martialis pronounce the sacrifice
to be litatio -- accepted by Mars Pater. These exta are reserved and
skewered to be grilled before offering to Mars. The victimarii render
the remainder of the ox in preparation for the epulum.

When the skewered exta are grilled, the Flamen Martialis sprinkles
them with mola salsa and salt before placing them upon the burning
focus of the altar, the offers a libation of unmixed wine, "Mars
Pater, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio esto
[Father Mars, may you be honoured by this feast offering, may you be
honoured by the humble wine]." He pours then a libation to each of
the invoked Gods and Goddeses in turn, and to Vesta, custodian of the
sacred fire. He profanes the remainder of the meat which is taken to
be roasted for the epulum feast.

The participants in the sacrifice partake of the epulum, eating the
meat and bread, drinking wine, praying and offering libations to Mars
Pater, joining in a common meal with the Gods to celebrate the feria.

It is likely that a second sacrifice, or perhaps a series of
libations, was offered somewhat later in the morning at the Aedes
Martis in circo Flaminio, the temple of Mars adjoining the Circus
Flaminius near the Theatre of Pompey. This temple was designed for D.
Iunius Brutus Callaicus by Hermodorus of Salamis and dedicated in 138
BCE. According to Pliny, it contained Scopas' colossal statues of
Mars and Venus, and Valerius Maximus informs us it was decorated with
poetry by Accius. The ceremony here is believed to have served as a
preparation for the races of the day.

From shortly after the first sacrifice the crowd begins to line up at
the Circus Flaminius in the southern portion of the Campus Martius,
eager to find a good seat early. By tradition enshrined in censorial
decree from the Second Punic War the seats of the Circus are wooden
and no pillows or comforters are permitted, lest Romans be weakened by
an excess of luxury. Special seats are reserved for the senators, the
Vestals, and for those equestrians who will join the crowd after the
order's parade. At the eastern end of the Circus a special box has
been erected for the aediles curules, pontifices, and imagines of the
Gods. The Circus Flaminius begins to fill quickly, as vendors hawk
food and wine to the crowd.

__________________
* - The precise formulae of the caerimoniae of the sacrifices of the
Feria Equirriae are unknown, but it is likely that they followed the
general form of most propritiatory sacrifices of the ritus Romanus, as
suggested here. Since Nova Roma is not in the position to offer
animal sacrifices at this time, the Flamen Martialis will offer a
non-animal sacrifice for the feria, a report of which will be posted
on the main list.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21416 From: Lucius Equitius Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: CAERIMONIA EQUIRRIAE
Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur Quiritibus salutem dicit

The rite had to be repeated on account of a family interruption.
Eventually everything went well.

CAERIMONIA EQUIRRIAE

I bathed in preparation, then, garbed in toga praetexta, cinctu Gabino,
capite velato, I began the praefatio.

Praefatio

"Iane Pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novae Romae
[Father Ianus, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma"].
I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti
sies volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novae Romae
[Iuppiter Best and Greatest, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers,
so that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People
of Nova Roma"].
I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Iuno Dea, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitia mihi et Senatui Populoque Novae Romae
[Goddess Iuno, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma"].
I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Minerva Dea, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitia mihi et Senatui Populoque Novae Romae
[Goddess Minerva, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma."
I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Quirine Pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novae Romae
[Father Quirinus, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People of Nova Roma.]"
I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Iane Pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto
[Father Ianus, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation on the altar.

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene
precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto
[Iuppiter Best and Greatest, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation on the altar.

"Iuno Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem
rei ergo macte vino inferio esto
[Goddess Iuno, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation on the altar.

"Minerva Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto
[Goddess Minerva, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation on the altar.

"Quirine Pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto
[Father Mars, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation on the altar.

I washed my hands in preparation for the praecatio.

Precatio

"Mars Pater, te precor uti fortitudine et peritia horum equitum
Equirriae Senatus Populusque Norvorum Romanorum Quiritum iniciantur et
sies volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novorum Romanorum
Quiritum. Mars Pater, qui currui temporis equos citos suos iungit ut
mensem Martii adduucat, tibi fieri oportet culignam vini dapi, eius rei
ergo hac illace dape pullucenda esto
[Father Mars, I pray you that the Senate and People of the Nova Romans, the Quirites, may be inspired by the courage and skill of these horsemen of the Equirria and that you may be propitious to the Senate and People of the Nova Romans, the
Quirites. Father Mars, who hitches his swift horses to the chariot of time to bring on the month of March, to you it is proper for a cup of wine to be given, for the sake of this thing therefore may you be honoured by this feast offering]."
I poured a libation on the altar and added laurel.

Again I washed my hands in preparation for the redditio.

Redditio

"Mars Pater, qui in campo suo certamen Equirriae semper prospicit, macte
istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio esto
[Father Mars, who always observes from afar the race of the Equirria on his own field, may you be honoured by this feast offering, may you be honoured by the
humble wine.]"
I offered Mars Pater laurel, cakes and wine on the altar.

"Quirine pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto
[Father Mars, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation on the altar.

"Minerva Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto
[Goddess Minerva, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation on the altar.

"Iuno Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem
rei ergo macte vino inferio esto
[Goddess Iuno, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation on the altar.

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene
precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto
[Iuppiter Best and Greatest, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation on the altar.

"Iane Pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto
[Father Ianus, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation on the altar.

"Vesta Dea, custos ignis sacri, macte vino inferio esto
[Goddess Vesta, guardian of the sacred fire, be honoured by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation on the altar.

"Illicet [It is permitted to go.]"

I profaned wine and cakes, and I partook of the epulum with Mars Pater,
praying as I ate and offering libations in my private devotions.

Piaculum

Since the historical caerimonia of the feria of the Equirria has not yet
been recovered (in fact we know virtually nothing about it; a few
formulae here have been adapted from Ovid's _Fasti_) , I offered a
piaculum to Mars Pater if anything in this caerimonia should offend him:

"Mars Pater, si quidquam tibi in hac caerimonia displicet, hoc ture
veniam peto et vitium meum expio
[Father Mars, if anything in this ceremony is displeasing to you, with this incense I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.]"
I offered incense on the altar.

"Mars Pater, si quidquam tibi in hac caerimonia displicet, hoc vino
inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio
[Father Mars, if anything in this ceremony is displeasing to you, with this humble wine I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.]"
I poured a libation on the altar.


Valete

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21417 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: REPORT OF THE EVENTS OF THE SECOND EQUIRRIA
One of the principal ways in which news of events spread through the
Roman world was the exchange of letters, as the large extant
correspondence of one of Rome's most prolific letter-writers, Cicero,
attests. This report of the events of the Feria Equirriae Secondae is
presented in such an epistolary format.


Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix Octaviae Minuciae Sabinae S.P.D.

Salve, delecta mea,

My dearest wife I hope you are finding the villa in Herculaneum
amenable, and I hope to join you as soon as my business here in the
city is concluded. The hustle and bustle of the city has begun to
take its toll on my nerves, and I am definitely in need of a long
vacation.

While I realize you love the city dearly, I long for the day I can,
the Gods willing, retire to the seaside and leave crowds and politics
and law courts behind once and for all.

Well I am sure you are anxious for news of the city, so I will cease
my prattling and tell you of my day. As I am sure you recall, today
was the day of the second Certamen of the Feria Equirriae. And don't
worry, my love; I didn't race this time around! One gold palm is
plenty for my dignitas, and in any case I really have no desire to
face your wrath again, though I hardly think it was fair to
characterize my riding in the first certamen as a "childish stunt!"

I spent the morning with the other members of the Collegium Pontificum
and the Flamen Martialis at the Ara Martis, and I'm happy to report
the caermonia when splendidly. A lovely white ox was offered to Mars
Pater, and the haruspex found nothing disagreeable with the exta.
Once the caeremonia was complete, it was off to the Circus Flaminius
to get ready for the opening parade. The scene at the circus was
pandemonium as I'm sure you can imagine. After a lot of shouting,
hurrying, waiting, jostling and arguing the chaotic mass of priests,
slaves, temple attendants, soldiers, jugglers, fire-eaters, dancers,
musicians, and chorus boys was finally whipped into some kind of order
behind the Aedilican chariots and made its circuit around the track.
It all ended up looking rather splendid and the crowd clearly loved
it, with much shouting and applauding. I must say that Gaius Iulius
really has outdone himself this time. I can only hope his time as
Aedile doesn't ruin him financially!

Once our part in the parade was over, my fellow Pontifices and I made
our way up to the Aedilican box to watch the rest of the show. It was
turning out to be a rather hot day, but luckily Gaius Iulius had a
canopy erected over the box, so we were safe from the worst of Sol
Indige's glare. No expense was spared on the refreshments either!
There was chilled wine (a lovely Calenum vintage), snow flavored with
mulsum, sweet cakes, and skewers of meat from the morning's epulum, so
we did not have to resort to the cheap wine, posca and other dubious
wares being sold by the vendors prowling the stands.

I had forgotten how long it takes for the whole Ordo Equester to
parade past! It must have taken nearly two hours and the sun was high
in the sky before the last of them rode past our box. And the dust!
You could barely see the parade after the first hundred or so riders.
Slaves had wet down the track before the parade started, but that
only helps so much when you have hundreds of horses riding past.
Luckily our box was high enough that we missed the worst of it, but I
pity those in the lower seats.

When the dust finally settled, Gaius Iulius stood and gave a signal,
and with a blare of trumpets the three riders emerged from the
starting gates of the eastern carceres onto the track.

First onto the track was Senator Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur.
Did you know he was a veteran campaigner with the Legio XX in his
younger days? He earned quite a fierce reputation fighting in the
east as I recall. You know, my love, if a Consular, Censor, Pontifex,
Augur, and Flamen of Mars Pater can compete in the certamen, I really
can't understand how you justify your disapproval of my racing last
time!! He was riding Accipter, that magnificent bay Andalusian
stallion of his, and was wearing a heavy mail cuirass, the sagum and
white purple-stripped tunic of an eques, and a bronze Boeotian style
helmet with a yellow horse hair plume. Quite striking.

The next rider onto the track was Gaius Popillius Laenas, the wealthy
plebian eques, made his fortune in tax farming I think. I'm sure
you'll recall him -- he's the fellow famous in for his good looks and
silver hair, and somewhat infamous for his exploits with the ladies.
He was riding a rather stocky muscular black Friesian stallion he
calls Formidilosus. An apt name for the beast. While at 14 hands it
was certainly shorter than Lucius Equitius's horse, it must have been
at least as heavy, and had a very a tough, no-nonsense look about it.
Gaius Pompillius costume was quite interesting. He must have been
wearing some family heirlooms, as he looked just a cavalryman from the
days of Marius: antique silvered bronze pectorale over his purple
stripped tunic, bronze conus style helmet crested with three black
swan feathers, dark brown sagum, and black ox-hide `popanum' shield
painted with a Gorgon's head.

The last rider out was Gnaeus Scribonius Scriptor. As you might
recall he was knocked about rather badly last certamen. His family is
Picene from the northwest, and he earned his citizenship serving in
the Auxiliary Cohors Equites. As I understand it he's done quite well
for himself since then, and has a lovely villa up in Etruria. Since
the last race he picked up a Parthian horse trainer, so I was
interested so see how he was going to fare this time around. He was
riding Picena, the same spirited black Valentian mare as last time,
and was dressed rather more lightly than his opponents: a thorcomachus
(which is a sort of leather jerkin worn under a mail cuirass) over his
stripped tunic, and simple bronze cavalry helm. He had quite a
remarkable new saddle though, beautifully tooled leather decorated
with silver phalerae, and very high saddle horns. I wonder where he
had it made? I'll have to remember to ask him!

Well, the crowd cheered themselves hoarse as the three riders made
their circuit of the track, and only began to quiet down a bit when
they were led back around into the carcares. The doors of the
carcares are quite fascinating mechanisms you know. They are
spring-loaded when latched shut, and with a flip of some hidden lever
they fly open like a catapult firing!

Well at this point Gaius Iulius rose again, and the trumpets blared,
silencing (more or less) the crowd. With great dignitas (and no little
drama) he held forth the mappa, and then let it fall!

Once again, utter pandemonium! The crowd stood and roared, the gates
of the carcares banged open like a thunderclap, and out shot the three
horses, riders hanging on for dear life. All three riders were neck
and neck along the first straightaway, with Lucius Equitius and
Accipter starting to pull ahead into the first turn. The riders
remained close down the second straightaway and through the second
turn, but as they crossed the alba lina, and the first dolphin was
turned, Gaius Popillius and his brutish Formidilosus began to force
their way forward between the other two riders.

Into the first turn of the second lap, Gaius Popillius had taken a
definite lead, with Lucius Equitius and Gnaeus Scribonius right behind
jockeying for second place. Into the second turn, the big
Formidilosus began to lose a little ground to Lucius Equitius and his
expertly ridden Accipter, and as they crossed the alba linea for the
second time, Accipter had drawn abreast of Formidilosus! The next
three laps were a battle between beauty and the beast: the lovely,
swift bay Accipter and the massive black Formidilosus, with Gnaeus
Scribonius following close behind on his agile mare Picena. Going
into the sixth lap it became clear why the Gaius Popillius had chosen
such a bruiser of a horse. Going into the first turn of the lap, he
and Lucius Equitius were still running abreast, with when Accipter
began to pull ahead and cut into the inside of the turn. Suddenly,
there was a flash of black, and cloud of dust and out flew
Formidilosus, with Picena hot on his tail! As Accipter had tried to
cut inside him on the turn, Gaius Popillius had forced his massive
horse forward and had actually tried to force Lucius Equitius into the
spina! Only Lucius Equitius's superb riding skill had saved him from
an undoubtedly fatal crash into one of the metea, but by rearing his
Accipter to avoid the collision he had lost precious ground. At this
point it was clear the race was now between Gaius Popillius and Gnaeus
Scribonius. Going into the seventh lap, Formidilosus still had the
lead but it was clear the big horse was tiring. As they rounded the
final corner with Formidilosus seeming to lose speed with every step,
Gnaeus Scribonius in a feat of amazing equestrian agility cut inside
his opponent through the turn and took the lead into the final
straightaway. Despite urging a last desperate burst of speed from his
mount, Gaius Popillius couldn't make up the distance he had lost in
the turn, and Gnaeus Scribonius crossed the alba linea victorious by a
head! So at the end of the first round of the Certamen we had:

Gnaeus Scribonius Scriptor and Picena in first place by a head, Gaius
Popillius Laenas and his Formidilosus in second place, and Lucius
Equitius Cinncinatus and Accipter a rather distant (and quite angry)
third. A fairly clean race to start off, especially considering the
mayhem of the Certamen of the First Equirria!

There was a break between races to give the riders a chance to inspect
their mounts and a bit of a rest, and given the considerable quantity
of Gaius Iulius's chilled Calenum I had indulged in, I took the
opportunity to head to one of the public privies. Of course just
about every other citizen, slave, freedman and peregrine in the Circus
had the same idea, and by the time I got back to my seat the second
race as about to begin! I really must suggest to Gaius Iulius to set
aside a privy for the members of the Aedilican box for the next Certamen!

The second race began a bit more dramatically than the first, with
Lucius Equitius nearly cuffing Gaius Popillius from his saddle before
the first turn. It was clear Lucius Equitius was not about to forgive
him for almost running him into the spina! Gaius Popillius recovered
fairly quickly, but was definitely wary of Lucius Equitius from that
point on, and made a noticeable effort to keep Formidilosus out of
arms reach! As the dolphins went down one by one, the race seemed to
just between Formidilosus and Accipter, as Gnaeus Scribonius seemed
content to hang back conserving Picena's strength and perhaps hoping
one of the two would do the other in. Unfortunately for Gnaeus
Scribonius, that was not to be. As they neared the final lap, and it
looked like Accipter would pull ahead, the most amazing thing
happened! Formidilosus leaned over and actually bit Accipter on the
flank! The beast bit him! That has to be the most amazingly ill
mannered horse I have ever seen. Naturally, Accipter did not react
well to being nipped on his hindquarters, and bucked, nearly throwing
Lucius Equitius from the saddle. Gaius Popillius pulled ahead, and
poor Gnaeus Scribonius, who had undoubtedly been planning another last
minute passing maneuver, had to rear his mare to a near stop to avoid
colliding with Accipter! Lucius Equitius recovered with admirable
speed but it was too late. Gaius Popillius crossed the finish line
with a significant lead, leaving second place to Lucius Equitius, and
a distant third to a mortified Gnaeus Scribonius.

As you might imagine, the crowd had become worked up into quite a
state at the sight of these near disasters, and one poor fellow
(obviously having drunk too much cheap, unwatered wine) worked
himself into such a frenzy of cheering and leaping about that he fell
right off the upper tier of seats down into one of the exit ramps. I
was feeling the wine a bit myself at this point, and I'm sure to your
approval, decided to switch to posca for the last race.

The final race began with out incident, although it turned out that
was merely the calm before the storm. All three horses were
noticeably tiring, and for the first few laps the riders seemed
content to pace their animals and perhaps obtain the measure of their
opponents' remaining strength. Into the last turn of the fourth lap
Formidilosus began to noticeably lose ground, and Lucius Equitius lost
no time taking advantage and begin to pass on the inside. He should
have just ridden by, but I suspect he could not resist the opportunity
to get even, and leaned over and grabbed at Gaius Popillius's shield
and tried to pull him from his saddle! Right as it looked as if
Lucius Equitius was about to yank Gaius Popillius clean off his horse,
Fortuna intervened and the straps on the shield broke. The shield
came free so suddenly, that Lucius Equitius nearly lost his balance
and almost fell sideways off his horse. The shield flipped through
the air, and almost took the unfortunate Gnaeus Scribonius clear in
the face -- the Gods forbid his head actually narrowly missed punching
through the thin ox-hide such that he he would have had the shield
around his neck like a Gallic torc! But he managed to duck with an
unexpected grace and the shield flew over him, although it spooked his
horse a bit. Once again Gaius Popillius and Formidilosus shot ahead,
and it was clear the race was over. Gaius Popillius finshed a clear
and commanding first place, with Lucius Equitius pushing Accipter
across the alba linea in second place, and the Gnaeus Scribonius
coming in a distant third.

So the winner of the Certamen was Gaius Popillius Laenas and his now
infamous horse Formidilosus. He rode once around the track for the
customary victory lap to wild cheering, coming to a halt in front of
the Aedilican box. Gaius Iulius declared him the winner of two rounds
Certamen with a rather nice little speech, and leaned down and
presented him with the Palma Argentea of victory. To Gnaeus Scribonius
he presented the Palma Virida for his victory in the first round. All
in all an interesting and entertaining day at the Circus, my love, and
I expect Mars Pater was well pleased, though I must say they really
need to do something about these wooden seats, as my backside is
killing me!

The epulum following the Certamen was outstanding -- even those
mussels you adore, brought by swift courier from Massilia -- the
sweetened ham with dried figs and must was delicious (although not so
fine as your own). The roast duck with pepper, oregano, liquamen,
vinegar and honey was a special treat, although I fear it did not sit
well with one of my colleagues who had five servings and had to excuse
himself. I'll let you guess who. Everyone left with some interesting
apophoreti, some including gold jewelry from Gallia and sea pearls,
even the least left with a few sesterces in the folds of their togas.
I made off with an exquisite ivory cameo of Mars Gravidus and Rhea
Silvia; I can't wait until you see it. If Gaius Iulius keeps this
largesse up, he won't have enough for a senatorial census, much less
to run for praetor or consul. But one man's financial excess is
another man's gourmet delight!

I hope this letter finds you in good health and happiness, and I shall
join you soon. And tell Cleanthes I shall flog him if he trims the
topiarium before I return. That Greek will work to my taste not his.

Vale bene,

Hadrianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21418 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: New Propraetors!
C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix Quiritibus S.P.D.

Salvete.

I would like to offer my congratulations and best wishes to Nova Romas
newest Propraetors, especially to my colleague Gaius Lanius Falco whom I
have the honor of passing the leadership of Nova Britannia to. May the
Gods smile upon our new provincial leaders, and help them make Nova Roma
great!

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix
Pontifex et Minerva Templi Sacerdotes
Rogator
Lictor Curiatus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21419 From: Steve Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: Re: Greetings
Before I say anything else I want to send my most heartfelt
sympathies to the people of Hispania on the horrific terrorist attack
there. There is a major difference between "Freedom Fighter"
and "Terrorist." The former goes after so-called "hard targets" such
as government and military installations, whereas the latter goes
after civilians in a cruel attempt to get media coverage. Where is
the value on human life? Why won't these people see that what they
are doing is just further entrenching their supposed adversary? This
is monstrous and I realize that my personal condolences will be of
small comfort to those who have lost loved ones. Perhaps someday soon
we will be able to put down our weapons and embrace each other as
friends. I know that is a trite thing to say but I am stunned. I am
so sorry.

In reply to the message from Marinus I want to say thank you for the
link. I bookmarked it. This is why I'm seeking citizenship. I'm
already learning a lot. Thanks! I apologize for being absent
Thursday, as I was busy with stupid stuff like laundry, etc... This
is the first time I've been on the computer since Wednesday evening.
See you all soon. Wish me luck with my citizenship proceedings.

Steve/Lucius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@c...> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites, et salve Ambrosi Celetre,
>
> Ambrosius Celetrus asked:
>
> [about Polybius' choice for the beginning of world history]
> > Why the 140th Olympiad?
>
> Quoting from the Loeb Classic Library's "The Histories of Polybius":
>
> "The date from which I propose to begin my history is the 140th
Olympiad
> [200-216 B.C.], and the events are the following: (1) in Greece the
> so-called Social War, the first waged against the Aetolians by the
> Achaeans in league with and under the leadership of Philip of
Macedon,
> the son of Demetrius and father of Perseus, (2) in Asia the war for
> Coele-Syria between Antiochus and Ptolemy Philopator, (3) in Italy,
> Libya, and the adjacent regions, the war between Rome and Carthage,
> usually known as the Hannibalic War. These events immediately
succeed
> those related at the end of the work of Aratus of Sicyon.
Previously the
> doings of the world had been, so to say, dispersed, as they were
held
> together by no unity of initiative, results, or locality; but ever
since
> this date history has been an organic whole, and the affairs of
Italy
> and Libya have been interlinked with those of Greece and Asia, all
> leading up to one end."
>
> See
>
http://www.ukans.edu/history/index/europe/ancient_rome/E/Roman/Texts/P
olybius/1*.html
> for the complete text.
>
> -- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21420 From: Antonius Nebrissensis Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: Gratias mille
Antonius Aelius Baeticus Nebrissensis sodalis suis S.P.D.
Salvete, quirites

Gratias mille vobis ago quia nos solos non liquitis. Scimus quod
nobiscum estis in hac pessima hora. Gratias

Dii sint vobis propicii. Valete
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21421 From: Octavius Giraldo-Vay Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: hispania violentia
Salvete omnes.

My condolences to our Hispania friends for the horrendous terrorist
attack in Madrid. Al Quaida, which is nothing more than an
organization emulating Hasan bin Sabbah leader of the Hashashins Muslim
sect (12th Century Syria) and Muhammad Ahmad (Al Mahdi) leader of the
Sammaniyah Muslim sect ( Sudan 1880's) are still fighting the
descendants of the European Christian invaders of 1095 c.e. and those
of 1880's Sudan !. Bin Laden wants revenge for past Christian
atrocities committed to the Muslims in the name of Christ, thus his
hate for the USA and the West. Hispania ought to take an example from
its Roman past, and if any of Al Quadia members are captured, they
ought to be crucifed in a public spectacle while a flamen pours hot
pig's oil in the head of the condemned, reciting the proper damantio
memoriae prayers. Denied of the vision of Allah and entrance to heaven,
let's see how many terrorists would want to take anyone's life. The
same ceremony should be applied to the remains of any suicide bomber.

valete omnes, in pacem deorum. Lucius Calpurnius Piso Cesoninus.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21422 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: Re: Congratulations to the new governors
Salve Illustra Diana Octavia Aventina!

I do my best, even when I prefer someone else _I_ try to be polite. I
am glad that You saw that!

> > My deepest congratulations for _all_ appointed Governors (snipped)
>
>Thank you Caeso Fabius!! I apreciate your kind words!
>
>Vale,
>Diana Octavia
>Propraetor Gallia

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21423 From: sabina_equitia_doris Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: Gens and Name Change
Salvete Omnes!

It is with pleasure that I am able to announce my acceptance into
the gens Equitia, and that I am taking my birth name, which is in
fact ancient Greek, as my cognomen.

Formerly known to you as Sabina Cornelia Mima Polyglottos, I am now:

Yours,

-- Sabina Equitia Doris
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21424 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: Re: hispania violentia
L IUL SULLA LUCIO CALPURNIO PISONI S.P.D.


Terror attack to our hispanici friends directly hit all our hearts.
That's the fact.
Maybe Al-Quaida is involved in this facts, but at the moment we
cannot be sure. If this terror organization is responsible for this
further attack to the democracy of western countries, we should not
underestimate the craftiness and the cunning of this organization,
that, if inspired by religious reasons, these reasons and this
desire of revenge are only the least part of their design; there are
many other social and economical ones behind, in my opinion.
I'm particularly frightened by the perfect timing of this attack.
This attack, other than killing 200 persons and terrorizing all our
world, has maybe decided next political government for this country.
That's really impressive.

BENE VALE
L IUL SULLA
Italia


> My condolences to our Hispania friends for the horrendous terrorist
> attack in Madrid. Al Quaida, which is nothing more than an
> organization emulating Hasan bin Sabbah leader of the Hashashins
Muslim sect (12th Century Syria) and Muhammad Ahmad (Al Mahdi)
leader of
> Sammaniyah Muslim sect ( Sudan 1880's) are still fighting the
> descendants of the European Christian invaders of 1095 c.e. and
those
> of 1880's Sudan !. Bin Laden wants revenge for past Christian
> atrocities committed to the Muslims in the name of Christ, thus
his
> hate for the USA and the West. Hispania ought to take an example
from
> its Roman past, and if any of Al Quadia members are captured, they
> ought to be crucifed in a public spectacle while a flamen pours
hot
> pig's oil in the head of the condemned, reciting the proper damanti
> memoriae prayers. Denied of the vision of Allah and entrance to he
> let's see how many terrorists would want to take anyone's life. The
> same ceremony should be applied to the remains of any suicide
bomber.
>
> valete omnes, in pacem deorum. Lucius Calpurnius Piso Cesoninus.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21425 From: Thomas Gangale Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: A Roman View of International Relations
Salvete omnes,

I join with all Novaromani in expressing condolences to the people of
Hispania regarding the barbarian attacks on Madrid. May Mars Ultor visit
swift and terrible retribution!

Between working full time and going to school as much as I can manage
without complete exhaustion, I regrettably have little time for the rich
tapestry of fora and cultural activities that Nova Roma provides. However,
I thought that Novaromani would be interested in hearing that the history
of Roma Antiqua influences debate in the community of international
relations scholars on America's position in the modern world. Below is an
excerpt from an invitation to apply for a scholarship to the World Affairs
CouncilÂ’s 58th Annual Conference at Asilomar, April 30-May 2, 2004, "The
Leadership Role of the United States in the World." Following that is the
essay that accompanied my application for the scholarship.

Mars nos protegis!
Marcus Martianus Gangalius
Legatus, California Superior


The second half of the twentieth century has seen the rise of the United
States to a preeminent position in the world. Our military remains
uncontested. Our political leadership is required in the resolution of many
regional disputes and in the management of global problems. Our economy has
generated unparalleled wealth and has served as a magnet for talent from
around the world. American culture has permeated the airwaves across the
globe. Yet, while AmericaÂ’s values and opportunities are a source of
inspiration for the world, its use of political, military and economic
power is often viewed with distrust. As the new "Rome," the United States
is both respected and resented. And, as it prosecutes the war on terror,
some question whether our policies accurately reflect the values we have
long espoused.

We have yet to formulate a national consensus of how to use our power to
advance our goals. We still struggle to define our role in the world. If
the United States is destined to be the most powerful, what kind of
leadership are we set to provide? Should our foreign policy be driven by
interests, values or a combination of the two? As a people, what policy
choices and public investments are Americans prepared to support -- and at
what cost? And in a world of global dangers and global opportunities, is
there a clear line between domestic politics and foreign policy?

Roma Quarta et Terra Nostra: America's Future in a Unipolar World
Copyright © 2004 by Thomas Gangale
San Francisco State University
International Relations
tgangale@...

As one can well understand, it is a challenge to adequately sum up in less
than two pages all that I learned during two intense days at the World
Affairs CouncilÂ’s 57th Annual Conference at Asilomar in 2003, much less to
include as well my reasons for being interested in the topic of this yearÂ’s
conference.

The subject of last yearÂ’s conference was "From Pakistan to Kazakhstan: The
Great Unknown." I not only attended the plenaries and meals, having the
chance to interact with a large number of conference participants, but I
was also able to cover a number of simultaneous breakout sessions by
coordinating with others and exchanging notes afterward. Regrettably, I
have not to date been able to incorporate what I learned about Central Asia
into my academic activities to the extent I would have liked. One of the
international relations courses I signed up for an a brand new graduate
student at San Francisco State University in the Fall 2003 semester was
"US-Russia Relations in Eurasia." I greatly looked forward to taking this
course because I felt that the 2003 Asilomar conference, together with
several related lunchtime lectures at the World Affairs CouncilÂ’s Sutter
Street location, had well prepared me for the SFSU course. However, after
the first couple of weeks of the semester I realized I would sink trying to
work full-time and carry three graduate-level courses. One might say that
in my enthusiasm, I was guilty of "imperial overstretch." I had to make a
strategic decision, deferring my Eurasian studies to concentrate on two
core curriculum courses. I certainly plan to take "US-Russia Relations in
Eurasia" the next time it is offered, and of course I still have my notes
from last yearÂ’s conference and from the lunchtime lectures that led up to
the conference. I keep this precious intellectual capital in the bank,
awaiting the opportunity to invest it in my coursework.

I had an opportunity to speak in person with Senator Joseph Biden (D-DE) at
the 2003 Asilomar conference. I used this occasion to discuss a domestic
issue with him--presidential primary reform--the subject of my recently
published article in a peer-reviewed journal (see PS: Political Science and
Politics, January 2004). Senator Biden is from the state where one of the
former reform efforts originated (the Delaware Plan). At the time, this
seemed to be an "off-topic" discussion, given that the purpose of the
Asilomar conferences is to explore topics in foreign affairs. As it turns
out, however, the subject of my discussion with Senator Biden provides an
excellent segue into the subject of this yearÂ’s Asilomar conference, "The
Leadership Role of the United States in the World." It is entirely
appropriate to discuss American domestic politics at a conference on
foreign affairs because the United States is the global
hegemon. Increasingly, we are the world and the world is US.

It has become fashionable among international relations scholars to draw
parallels between AmericaÂ’s current position in the world and imperial
RomeÂ’s position in the Mediterranean world. However, the parallels run
much deeper than the current distribution of military power in the
aftermath of the Cold War. At the time that the United States gained its
independence, it was the most extensive republic seen since the Roman
republic. From the first, American political institutions emulated those
of republican Rome. We have a Senate, of course. We also have two consuls
(the president and vice-president), and our House of Representatives, being
the "peopleÂ’s house," performs many of the same functions as the various
comitiae in republican Rome. We have consciously emulated republican Rome
in our political symbols; the fasces, the symbol of the Roman magistratesÂ’
authority, adorns the interior of the Capitol. Also, the design of
American public buildings has traditionally been based on Roman
architecture. Yes, certainly, America is a new Rome. It was raised from
birth to be that.

But we must be mindful that there have been other Novae Romae in the past,
and indeed, one of them may still be still with us. Constantinople was
founded as Roma Secunda, and after Constantinople fell to the Ottoman
Turks, imperial Russia, ruled by Caesars (czars), styled itself Roma
Tertia. Following the 73-year Soviet interlude, it may be that Russia will
gravitate back to its historic identity as Roma Tertia, but this time as a
republic, hopefully. So, America is a new Rome, not the new Rome. In a
sense we are Roma Quarta, in another sense we are the second Rome of the
West, as Russia is the second Rome of the East. Will our "Roman-ness" be
an element of common ground should Russia, still a country of vast natural
resources and a well-educated population, re-emerge as a strong entity?

The emergence of America as the unchallenged global military power adds to
the debate over the future of the Westphalian nation-state system. This
debate already rages in the context of globalization: the increasing
porosity of national borders to economic activity. Additionally, the
military dimension has profound implications for the future of the concept
of national sovereignty. In the American interventions in Afghanistan and
Iraq, justified by the Bush doctrine of preemption, we may be seeing the
seeds of a trend in which national sovereignty comes to mean only what
Washington DC says it means, and that some countries will have it and some
will not. As Rome spread its influence throughout the Mediterranean, it
made treaties with some countries, recognizing them as socii et amici
(allies and friends), and conquered others, incorporating them as
provinciae. But whether conquered enemies or valued friends, these
countries eventually came to share the same status as the distinction
insensibly blurred over the centuries. Perhaps this was an inevitable
result both of predominant Roman military power and the economic
integration of the Mediterranean (an ancient era of "globalization"). Are
similar trends present today? When "sovereignty" is handed back to Iraq
later this year, just how "sovereign" will it be? Indeed, to what extent
have Germany, Japan, and Italy, our enemies of the Second World War, been
"sovereign" allies and friends during the past 60 years, and to what extent
have they been American protectorates? As these distinctions blur, as
American power and influence extend around the world, the distinction
between America and the world blurs, and the distinction between domestic
and foreign policy blurs. It all becomes terra nostra, our world. Indeed,
there have been recent calls to open the presidency to naturalized citizens.

AmericaÂ’s preponderant economic and military position in the world also has
profound implications here at home. As Rome spread its military and
economic power throughout the Mediterranean, the senatorial and equestrian
orders profited immensely, while increasing numbers of dispossessed
citizens migrated to Rome to join the dependent class of capite
censi. Today, income inequality in America has reached a level not seen
since the Gilded Age of the 1920s. In Rome, the increasingly unequal
distribution of wealth went hand in hand with the increasing concentration
of political power among a few opulent gentes. These economic and
political forces ultimately extinguished the Roman republic, collapsing it
into an autocracy. Will America, as the global hegemon, come to be ruled
by its own Caesars, or will American polity be able to maintain its liberal
and democratic character?

While the US may be the latest in the series of hegemonic powers, it must
also be recognized that the character of its imperialism is distinctly
different from that of its predecessors. Because of its more liberal,
urban, middle-class character at the end of the 19th century, the
acquisition of Cuba and the Philippines brought on a profound identity
crisis. Even fervent imperialists as Theodore Roosevelt and William
Randolph Hearst, who wanted the US to assume its place among the great (and
therefore colonial) powers of the Earth, eventually came to realize that
the war to put down Philippine independence was a mistake, and that the
subjugation of foreign peoples would inevitably corrupt the American character.

Because it is a liberal democracy, and because it operates in a world that
is trending toward increasing numbers of liberal democracies, a world more
integrated by international institutions, transnational organizations,
global communication, and trade, in most cases it need not exercise hard
power, and, indeed, it has many incentives not to. This process of
systemic integration on a global scale necessarily means that the world is
no longer as anarchic as realists have traditionally viewed it. Thus,
pluralists and institutionalists are closer to the mark in regarding
AmericaÂ’s preeminent position in the world as characterized more by the
exercise of soft power. Because the world as a whole has yet to arrive at
Francis FukuyamaÂ’s (actually an update on G. W. F. HegelÂ’s) "End of
History," realism may from time to time inform our dealings with nonliberal
regimes who are still stuck in History. But, if there is, indeed, an end
of History and if we are traveling the path toward it, as we go down that
road, the realist view becomes a vista that is receding into history.

The complex interdependence of the 21st century world, the approaching
limits of the world economyÂ’s ability to extract and exploit resources, and
the advance of technology, necessarily mean that American hegemony is on a
different trajectory from historyÂ’s other empires. Historical parallels
are intriguing and instructive, but should not be drawn too strongly. As
international relations scholars, our challenge is to distinguish between
the historical trends that are repeating to some extent, and new social and
technological forces that are driving us in unforeseen directions.

Yet to identify our enemies as "terrorists" is possibly to lead us down a
path of eternal war that we call Pax Americana, for Rome always had "the
barbarian threat" to justify its militarism.

Si locuples hostis est, avari; si pauper, ambitiosi; quos non Oriens, non
Occidens satiaverit. Soli omnium opes atque inopiam pari adfectu
concupiscunt. Auferre trucidare rapere falsis nominibus imperium; atque ubi
solitudinem faciunt, pacem appellant.

If the enemy be rich, they are avaricious; if he be a pauper, they are
ambitious; neither the east nor the west has been able to satiate them.
Alone among men they covet with equal eagerness poverty and riches. To
robbery, slaughter, plunder, they give the lying name of empire; where they
make a desert, they call it peace.

-- Tacitus, Agricola


<http://www.martiana.org/>M A R T I A N A
Contendere, explorare, invenire, et non cedere.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21426 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: Re: hispania violentia
Al Quaida, which is nothing more than an
> organization emulating Hasan bin Sabbah leader of the Hashashins
Muslim
> sect (12th Century Syria) and >
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve Cesoninus;
though I'm in perfect agreement with you about Al Qaeda, let me say
in the case of Hasan al-Sabbah and the Nizari Ismailis a.k.a
Hasshashin, that it is a case of the winner rewriting history.
I refer you to the excellent website of "The Institute of Ismaili
Studies" http://www.iis.ac/uk and Farhad Daftary's book "The Assasins"
The Ismailis a subset of the Shi'a are the most enlightened
educated Muslims one can find present or past. The Fatimid Dynasty
was particulary brilliant for learning and at 'notorius' Alamut
resided many scholars and the famous Nasir al-din Tusi, an astronomer
too. Eheu, the Sunni Mongols won and the Nizaris went underground,
but they have emerged today, under the leadership of their Imam the
Aga Khan, who advocated learning, the emancipation of women, and a
modern interpretation of Islam. I have many erudite Ismaili friends
and I only wish all Muslims were Ismaili, there would be no problem,
bene vale in pace deorum,
SEP. FABIA VERA FAUSTA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21427 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: Gladiator Program's on TV
Salve,
There are two Gladiator programs on the Discovery Channel
tonight! First there is "Colosseum, A Gladiator's Story" on at
8:00pm CST. Then there's "True Gladiator's" on at 9:00pm CST.

Vale,

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus

--
AIM: KSDeist or CensorSVR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21428 From: Thomas Gangale Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: Gangalius's Summer Reading
Salvete omnes,

I realize that it is still officially winter, but I try to plan ahead, and
in any case, I probably won't have time for recreational reading until the
end of the semester. I have not read any of these titles (I just ordered
them), but I have read other titles by these authors. For anyone
interested in both ancient Rome and current world events, the following
should be a good read:

Chalmers Johnson, "The Sorrows of Empire : Militarism, Secrecy, and the End
of the Republic"
Michael Parenti, "Against Empire"
Michael Mann, "Incoherent Empire"

Another title (nominated for the Pulitzer Prize) that I'm looking forward
to reading when it comes out in soft cover is:

Michael Parenti, "The Assassination of Julius Caesar: A People's History of
Ancient Rome"

For those interested in American presidential politics, you will find my
article, "The California Plan: A 21st Century Method for Nominating
Presidential Candidates," in the current (January 2004) issue of the
peer-reviewed journal, "PS: Political Science and Politics." It was
recently (informally) reviewed by a political science professor at George
Washington University, <http://nopanaceas.blogspot.com/#107894018283459882>

Mars nos protegis! Ad Martem!
Marcus Martianus Gangalius

<http://www.martiana.org/>M A R T I A N A
Contendere, explorare, invenire, et non cedere.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21429 From: Thomas Gangale Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: Hostis Humani Generis
Salvete omnes,

After reading on the Nova Roma list the outpouring of outrage and sympathy
over the recent barbarian attack on Hispania, I believe it is fitting to
call upon the Senate to consider and pass a consultum officially declaring
Usama bin Laden hostis humani generis, "enemy of the human race."

Mars nos protegis! Ad Martem!

Marcus Martianus Gangalius
Legatus, California Superior

<http://www.martiana.org/>M A R T I A N A
Contendere, explorare, invenire, et non cedere.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21430 From: Christopher L. Wood Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: Re: Ismaili Studies
I found the website:
http://www.iis.ac.uk

-----Original Message-----
From: Sep. Fabia Vera [mailto:rory12001@...]
Sent: Sunday, 14 March 2004 17:38
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: hispania violentia

...it is a case of the winner rewriting history.
I refer you to the excellent website of "The Institute of Ismaili
Studies" http://www.iis.ac/uk and Farhad Daftary's book "The Assasins"
...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21431 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2004-03-14
Subject: TV Schedule for "Bloody Rome Week" on the Discovery Channel
Salve,
Here is the DC's program schedule for "Bloody Rome Week":

• Monday, March 15: 8 p.m., Monster House (Roman House); 9 p.m.,
Monster Garage (Roman Chariot)
• Tuesday, March 16: 9 p.m., Seven Wonders of Ancient Rome
• Wednesday, March 17: 8 p.m., Spear of Jesus; 9 p.m., Antony &
Cleopatra: Battle at Actium
• Thursday, March 18: 9 p.m., Barbarians: The Battle for Rome

OTHER AIRDATES for "Colosseum, A Gladiator's Story"

Saturday, March 20
Noon ET/PT

Wednesday, March 24
9 p.m. ET/PT

Sunday, March 28
7 p.m. ET/PT

(All time's ET/PT)


Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21432 From: L. Didius Geminus Sceptius Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Re: Hostis Humani Generis
Salvete omnes

It is my wish, not as the elected Propraetor of the Hispania
Provincia, but as a simple citizen, that we should leave apart the
issue concerning about the terrorist attacks in my city, Madrid. We
have just finished the general elections and it would be a pleasant
thing to leave this item out of the Nova Roma list. We should
concentrate on Romanitas, not current events, and leave
macronational behind. Just my feeling.

I wish to thanks also the very warm condolences and worries about
the people in Hispania Provincia, it has been very nice to know
about the solidarity shown.

vale bene in pace deorum,
L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Gangale <marcus@m...> wrote:
> Salvete omnes,
>
> After reading on the Nova Roma list the outpouring of outrage and
sympathy
> over the recent barbarian attack on Hispania, I believe it is
fitting to
> call upon the Senate to consider and pass a consultum officially
declaring
> Usama bin Laden hostis humani generis, "enemy of the human race."
>
> Mars nos protegis! Ad Martem!
>
> Marcus Martianus Gangalius
> Legatus, California Superior
>
> <http://www.martiana.org/>M A R T I A N A
> Contendere, explorare, invenire, et non cedere.
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21433 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Re: Gens and Name Change
Salvete Quirites, et salvete Sabina Equitia!

sabina_equitia_doris wrote:
> Salvete Omnes!
>
> It is with pleasure that I am able to announce my acceptance into
> the gens Equitia, and that I am taking my birth name, which is in
> fact ancient Greek, as my cognomen.

Very pleased to see you joining us!

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21434 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Re: Consular Edictum: Senate Code of Conduct Commission
A. Apollonius Cordus to his friend and Consul Cn.
Equitius Marinus and to all his fellow-citizens and
peregrines, greetings.

An excellent idea and a solid programme to put it into
effect: well done to you and your team. I look forward
to seeing what the commission ultimately recommends.





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21435 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Salvete,

BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!

On this day so full of History, a piece of Plutarch, as a tradition. And as a tradition, yahoo will merge all text on a unreadable way.

Vale bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus TRP


PLUTARCH
THE LIFE OF IULIUS CAESAR





Certainly destiny may easier be foreseen than avoided, considering the strange and wonderful signs that were said to be seen before Caesar's death. For, touching the fires in the element 1 , and spirits running up and down in the night, and also
Predictions and foreshews of Caesar's death.
the solitary birds to be seen at noondays sitting in the great market-place, are not all these signs perhaps worth the noting, in such a wonderful chance as happened? But Strabo the philosopher writeth, that divers men were seen going up and down in fire: and furthermore, that there was a slave of the soldiers that did cast a marvellous burning flame out of his hand, insomuch as they that saw it thought he had been burnt; but when the fire was out, it was found he had no hurt. Caesar self 2 also [p. 98] doing sacrifice unto the gods, found that one of the beasts which was sacrificed had no heart: and that was a strange thing in nature, how a beast could live without a heart. Furthermore there was a certain
Caesar's day of his death prognosticated by a soothsayer.
soothsayer that had given Caesar warning long time afore, to take heed of the day of the Ides of March, (which is the fifteenth of the month), for on that day he should be in great danger. That day being come, Caesar going unto the Senate-house, and speaking merrily unto the soothsayer, told him, "the Ides of March be come :" " so they be," softly answered the soothsayer, " but yet are they not past." And the very day before, Caesar, supping with Marcus Lepidus, sealed certain letters, as he was wont to do, at the board: so, talk falling out amongst them, reasoning what death was best, he, preventing 3 their opinions, cried out aloud, " death unlooked for." Then going to bed the same night, as his manner was, and lying with his wife Calpurnia, all the windows and doors of his chamber flying open, the noise awoke him, and made him afraid when he saw such light: but more, when he heard his wife Calpurnia, being fast asleep, weep and sigh, and put forth many fumbling 4 lamentable
speeches: for
The dream of Calpurnia, Caesar's wife.
she dreamed that Caesar was slain, and that she had him in her arms. Others also do deny that she had any such dream, as, amongst other, Titus Livius writeth that it was in this sort: the Senate having set upon the top of Caesar's house, for an ornament and setting forth 5 a of the same, a certain pinnacle, Calpurnia dreamed that she saw it broken down, and that she thought she lamented and wept for it. Insomuch that, Caesar rising in the morning, she prayed him, if it were possible, not to go out of the doors that day, but to adjourn the session of the Senate until another day. And if that he made no reckoning of her dream, yet that he would search further of the soothsayers by their sacrifices, to know what should happen him that day. Thereby it seemed that Caesar likewise did fear or suspect somewhat, because his wife Calpurnia until that time was never given to any fear and superstition: and that then he saw her so troubled in mind with this dream she had. But much more
afterwards, when the soothsayers having sacrificed many beasts one after another, told him that none did like 6 them: then he determined to send Antonius to adjourn the session of the Senate.
LXIV.
Decius Brutus Albinus' persuasion to Caesar.
But in the mean time came Decius Brutus, surnamed Albinus, in whom Caesar put such confidence, that in his last will and testament he had appointed him to be his next heir, [p. 99] and yet was of the conspiracy with Cassius and Brutus: he, fearing that if Caesar did adjourn the session that day, the conspiracy would be betrayed, laughed at the soothsayers, and reproved Caesar, saying, " that he gave the Senate occasion to mislike with him, and that they might think he mocked them, considering that by his commandment they were assembled, and that they were ready willingly to grant him all things, and to proclaim him king of all his provinces of the Empire of Rome out of Italy, and that he should wear his diadem in all other places both by sea and land. And furthermore, that if any man should tell them from him they should 1 depart for that present time, and return again when Calpurnia should have better dreams, what would his enemies and ill-willers 2 say, and how could they like of 3
his friends' words? And who could persuade them otherwise, but that they would think his dominion a slavery unto them and tyrannical in himself? And yet if it be so," said he, "that you utterly mislike 4 of this day, it is better that you go yourself in person, and, saluting the Senate, to dismiss them till another time." Therewithal
Decius Brutus brought Caesar unto the Senate house.
he took Caesar by the hand, and brought him out of his house. Caesar was not gone far from his house, but a bond-man, a stranger, did what he could to speak with him: and when
The tokens of conspiracy against Caesar.
he saw he was put back by the great press and multitude of people that followed him, he went straight into his house, and put himself into Calpurnia's hands, to be kept till Caesar came back again, telling her that he had greater matters to impart unto him.
LXV. And one Artemidorus also, born in the isle of Cnidos, a doctor of rhetoric in the Greek tongue, who by means of his profession was very familiar with certain of Brutus' confederates, and therefore knew the most part of all their practices 1 against Caesar, came and brought him a little bill 2 , written with his own hand, of all that he meant to tell him. He, marking how Caesar received all the supplications that were offered him, and that he gave them straight 3 to his men that were about him, pressed nearer to him, and said: " Caesar, read this memorial to yourself, and that quickly, for they be matters of great weight, and touch you nearly." Caesar took it of him, but could never read it, though he many times attempted it, for the number of people that did salute him: but holding it still in his hand, keeping it to himself, went on withal into the Senate-house. Howbeit others are of opinion, that it was some man else that gave him that memorial, and not Artemidorus, who did
what he could [p. 100] all the way as he went to give it Caesar, but he was always repulsed by the people.
LXVI. For these things, they may seem to come by chance; but
The place where Caesar was slain.
the place where the murther 1 was prepared, and where the Senate were assembled, and where also there stood up an image of Pompey dedicated by himself amongst other ornaments which he gave unto the theatre, all these were manifest proofs, that it was the ordinance of some god that made this treason to be executed, specially in that very place. It is also reported, that Cassius (though otherwise he did favour the doctrine of Epicurus) beholding the image of Pompey, before they entered into the action of their traitorous enterprise, he did softly call upon it to aid him: but the instant danger of the present time, taking away his former reason, did suddenly put him into a furious passion, and made him like a man half besides 2 himself.
Antonius, Caesar's faithful friend.
Now Antonius, that was a faithful friend to Caesar, and a valiant man besides of his hands, him Decius Brutus Albinus entertained out of the Senate-house, having begun a long tale of set purpose. So Caesar coming into the house, all the Senate stood up on their feet to do him honour. Then part of Brutus' company and confederates stood round about Caesar's chair, and part of them also came towards him, as though they made suit with Metellus Cimber, to call home his brother again from banishment: and thus prosecuting still their suit, they followed Caesar till he was set in his chair. Who denying their petitions, and being offended with them one after another, because the more they were denied the more they pressed upon him and were the earnester with him, Metellus at length, taking his gown with both his hands, pulled it over his neck, which was the sign given the confederates to set upon him.
Casca the first that struck at Caesar.
Then Casca, behind him, strake 3 him in the neck with his sword; howbeit the wound was not great nor mortal, because it seemed the fear of such a devilish attempt did amaze him and take his strength from him, that he killed him not at the first blow. But Caesar, turning straight unto him, caught hold of his sword and held it hard; and they both cried out, Caesar in Latin: " O vile traitor Casca, what doest thou?" and Casca, in Greek, to his brother: "Brother, help me." At the beginning of this stir, they that were present, not knowing of the conspiracy, were so amazed with the horrible sight they saw, they had no power to fly, neither to help him, nor so much as once to make an outcry. They on the other side that had conspired his death compassed him in on every side with [p. 101] their swords drawn in their hands, that Caesar turned him no where but he was stricken at by some, and still had naked swords in his face, and was hackled 4 and mangled among them, as a wild beast taken of
5 hunters. For it was agreed among them that every man should give him a wound, because all their parts should be in this murther 6 : and then Brutus himself gave him one wound about his privities. Men report also, that Caesar did still defend himself against the rest, running every way with his body: but when he saw Brutus with his sword drawn in his hand, then he pulled his gown over his head, and made no more resistance, and was driven either casually or purposedly 7 , by the counsel of the conspirators, against the base whereupon Pompey's image stood, which ran all of 8 a gore-blood till he was slain. Thus it seemed that the image took just revenge of Pompey's enemy, being thrown down on the ground at his feet, and yielding up the ghost there, for the number of wounds he had upon him. For it is reported,
Caesar slain, and had 23 wounds upon him.
that he had three and twenty wounds upon his body: and divers of the conspirators did hurt themselves, striking one body with so many blows.
LXVII. When Caesar was slain, the Senate (though Brutus stood in the middest 1 amongst them, as though he would have said something touching this fact 2 ) presently ran out of the house, and flying, filled all the city with marvellous fear and tumult. Insomuch as some did shut to the doors, others forsook their shops and warehouses, and others ran to the place to see what the matter was: and others also that had seen it ran home to their houses again. But Antonius and Lepidus, which were two of Caesar's chiefest friends, secretly conveying themselves away, fled into other men's houses and forsook their own. Brutus and his confederates on the other side, being yet hot with this murther 3 they had committed, having their swords drawn in their hands, came all in a troup together
The murderers of Caesar do go to the market-place.
out of the Senate and went into the market-place, not as men that made countenance to fly, but otherwise boldly holding up their heads like men of courage, and called to the people to defend their liberty, and stayed to speak with every great personage whom they met in their way. Of them, some followed this troup and went amongst them, as if they had been of the conspiracy, and falsely challenged 4 part of the honour with them: amongst them was Caius Octavius and Lentulus Spinther. But both of them were afterwards put to death for their vain covetousness of honour, by Antonius and Octavius Caesar the younger; and yet had no [p. 102] part of that honour for the which they were both put to death, neither did any man believe that they were any of the confederates or of counsel with them. For they that did put them to death took revenge rather of the will they had to offend than of any fact 5 they had committed. The next morning, Brutus and his confederates came into the market-place to
speak unto the people, who gave them such audience, that it seemed they neither greatly reproved nor allowed 6 the fact 7 : for by their great silence they shewed that they were sorry for Caesar's death, and also that they did reverence Brutus. Now the Senate granted general pardon for all that was past; and, to pacify every man, ordained besides,
Caesar's funerals.
that Caesar's funerals should be honoured as a god, and established all things that he had done, and gave certain provinces also and convenient honours unto Brutus and his confederates, whereby every man thought all things were brought to good peace and quietness again.




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21436 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Re: Hostis Humani Generis
Salve, excelent propraetor,

I couldn´t expressed better my feelings if I used my own words. You
are right.

Vale bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus TRP
Propraetor Brasiliae


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Didius Geminus Sceptius"
<sceptia@y...> wrote:
> Salvete omnes
>
> It is my wish, not as the elected Propraetor of the Hispania
> Provincia, but as a simple citizen, that we should leave apart the
> issue concerning about the terrorist attacks in my city, Madrid. We
> have just finished the general elections and it would be a pleasant
> thing to leave this item out of the Nova Roma list. We should
> concentrate on Romanitas, not current events, and leave
> macronational behind. Just my feeling.
>
> I wish to thanks also the very warm condolences and worries about
> the people in Hispania Provincia, it has been very nice to know
> about the solidarity shown.
>
> vale bene in pace deorum,
> L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Thomas Gangale <marcus@m...>
wrote:
> > Salvete omnes,
> >
> > After reading on the Nova Roma list the outpouring of outrage and
> sympathy
> > over the recent barbarian attack on Hispania, I believe it is
> fitting to
> > call upon the Senate to consider and pass a consultum officially
> declaring
> > Usama bin Laden hostis humani generis, "enemy of the human race."
> >
> > Mars nos protegis! Ad Martem!
> >
> > Marcus Martianus Gangalius
> > Legatus, California Superior
> >
> > <http://www.martiana.org/>M A R T I A N A
> > Contendere, explorare, invenire, et non cedere.
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21437 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Question about provinciae magistratures
Salvete, citizens,

I´m supposed to know it. I know. However, I want that you confirm my interpretation.

Imperium of a propraetor, as a roman magistrate, emanates through its body and on its provincia. The legatii and scribae have imperium (mainly legates) bounded to the propraetor.

So, when propraetor changes, the scribae and legatii of Provincia are naturally dismissed. CONFIRM? Or they are bounded to the propraetorship and must be dismissed by the new propraetor?

Since I know roman magistratures, the new propraetor goes to the provincia with his new staff, and the old one are dismissed.

L. Arminius Faustus TRP
Propraetor Brasiliae



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21438 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Re: Question about provinciae magistratures
Salve Luci Armini,

> I´m supposed to know it. I know. However, I want that you
> confirm my interpretation.
>
> Imperium of a propraetor, as a roman magistrate, emanates
> through its body and on its provincia. The legatii and scribae
> have imperium (mainly legates) bounded to the propraetor.

Well, if we followed a proper Roman system, that would be correct.
However we are faced with the complication that sometimes propraetors
disappear, and we don't want to make the legati all ineligible to
continue their work if that happens.

> So, when propraetor changes, the scribae and legatii of
> Provincia are naturally dismissed. CONFIRM? Or they are
> bounded to the propraetorship and must be dismissed by the
> new propraetor?

I think that for the sake of clarity, an incoming propraetor should
state which legati are being re-appointed to continue as legati, and
which are being dismissed. That's what I did when I took over
Mediatlantica.

Vale,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21439 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Question about provinciae magistratures
Salve Faustus,

Congratulations by the way :-))) I'm really happy for you!

<I´m supposed to know it. I know. However, I want that you confirm my interpretation.

Me too.

<So, when propraetor changes, the scribae and legatii of Provincia are naturally dismissed.
<CONFIRM? Or they are bounded to the propraetorship and must be dismissed by the new propraetor?

<Since I know roman magistratures, the new propraetor goes to the provincia with his new staff,
<and the old one are dismissed.

I thought this as well but I spent half of Saturday looking through the law and I couldn't find
any mention of the above anywhere.

Vale,
Diana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21440 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Re: Question about provinciae magistratures
Salve, excellent consul,

On NR site, all former propraetor appointments are still there. I´d
be glad to work with them and much more people. However, I fell the
provincia quite slowly, so I´ve called a ´domestic census´ like ´warn
if you are alive!´.

I could dismiss everyone by edictum. However, if I not explain well,
people may consider this ´partisanship´. No, I want to clear that it
is just a ´remodelling´ of the house.

A law clarifing this subject would be fine.

vale bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus

> I think that for the sake of clarity, an incoming propraetor should
> state which legati are being re-appointed to continue as legati,
and
> which are being dismissed. That's what I did when I took over
> Mediatlantica.
>
> Vale,
>
> -- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21441 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Re: Question about provinciae magistratures
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Diana Octavia Aventina
<sacerdosveneris@y...> wrote:
> Salve Faustus,
>
> Congratulations by the way :-))) I'm really happy for you!
>

Thanks. But I am worried. Propraetores of NR are really ´Vox
clamantis in deserto´. So much to do and... so few citizens...


Vale bene,
L. Arminius Faustus TRP
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21442 From: L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: I EDICTUM PROPRAETORIUM - Didius Geminus Sceptius
Salvete omnes


[ESPAÑOL]

De momento, anunciaré los cargos que quedan inexorablemente confirmados como sufridos currantes a no ser que alguien crea que no debe ser así...

--- Legatus Internis Rebus Adrianus Complutensis
--- Scriba P. Ad Latinitatem Minicius Marianus
--- Scriba P. Arenae Salix Cantaber Uránicus
--- Scriba P. Militarium Durmia Gemina

Hala, creo que solo el bueno de Adrianus Complutensis debe hacer el juramento oportuno en inglés, latín (recuerda que hay uno nuevo) y español tanto en la lista principal como en la de aquí.

[ENGLISH]

The following citizen is hereby appointed as Legate:

--- Legatus Internis Rebus Adrianus Complutensis

The following citizens are hereby confirmed on their offices:

--- Scriba P. Ad Latinitatem Minicius Marianus
--- Scriba P. Arenae Salix Cantaber Uránicus
--- Scriba P. Militarium Durmia Gemina


Idus MARTIAS MMDCCLVII a.u.c
Consules Cn. Salix Astur & Gn. Equitius Marinus

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vale bene in pace deorum,

L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
PROPRAETOR·HISPANIAE


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21443 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Re: Question about provinciae magistratures
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

All appointments of legatii and scribae are by edictum and all edicta
expire with the imperium of the issuing magistrate. Therefore, all
propraetorian staff appointments are voided with the expiration of the
propraetor's imperium.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21444 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Idus Martii
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is the Idus Martii; the day is nefastus publicus and the Feria
Annae Perennae. The Idus was sacred to Iuppiter Optimus Maximus; the
Flamen Dialis sacrificed a white ewe to Iuppiter on each Idus.

The Feria Annae Perennae honours the Goddess Anna Perenna. Ovid
presents two accounts of Anna Perenna. In the first (_Fasti__
3.545-656) Anna was the daughter of Belus of Sidon and the sister of
Dido, who fled to Aeneas' welcome in Latium, but being warned of the
jealously of Lavinia, Aeneas' wife, committed suicide in the river
Numicius. She was raised by the Gods to a place among them as the
nymph of the Numicius. In the second (_Fasti_ 3.661-74), she was an
old woman of Bovilla provided the plebs with cakes, ennabling them to
survive during the first secession of the plebs to Mons Sacer.
Macrobius, Saturnalia 1.12.5-6, offers a more symbolic explanation:

5 This was the ordination of Romulus who named the first month of the
year for his father Mars: it is most greatly shown that the first
month of year and from this, because from that Quintilis is fifth, and
they were named successively for number.
6 Of this also on the first day they lit the new fire on the altar of
Vesta, in order that, the year starting, anew the duty of watching
over the renewed fire might begin; and likewise, month being begun, so
in the the regia and curiae and the homes of the flamens old laurel
crowns were exchanged for new laurel crowns; and in the same month
both publicly and privately sacrifice is offered to Anna Perenna. in
order that one may be permitted to live through a year and to do so
for many years [annare perennareque] comfortably.

Ovid (_Fasti_ 3.523-534) describes the celebration of the feria:

On the Ides is the merry festival of Anna Perenna,
not far from your banks, traveller of the Tiber.
The people come and, scattered here and there, absorb the green grass,
and recline each near to his.
Under Iuppiter a part remains, a few erect tents,
they are by whom out of branches a leafy hut is made.
A part, where for rigid columns they set up branches,
overhead they pend togas.
Yet on the ground by wine they are inflamed, and pray for as many years
as they may obtain and they drink as many draughts as to that number.
If there is such a man who had reached the age of Nestor,
let him assure himself the age of the Sibyl.

The revelry was accompanied first by theatrical recitations, which
quickly devolved to rowdy songs and dances in various states of
undress. Ovid also reports that girls sang obscene songs in honour of
Anna Perenna (_Fasti_ 3.675-696).

The sanctuary of Anna Perenna was located at the first milestone of
the Via Flaminia.

Tomorrow is ante diem XVII Kalendae Aprilis; the day is fastus and the
procession of the Argei. According to Varro (_de Lingua Latina_
v.45-54) and Ulpian (Dig. i.8.9.2) there were twenty-seven sacraria
associated with locales in the four Servian regiones of the city which
were visited in order in a lustral procession of the pontifices,
Vestals, and the praetor urbanus. Gellius (x.15.30) and Ovid (_Fasti_
iii.791) indicate that samll, human-like puppets fashioned from
bullrushes, called Argei, were placed in these sacraria (termed
Argea) on ante diem XVII and ante diem XVI Kalendae Aprilis. Varro
lists twelve of the sacraria and their locations by regio (the numbers
are keyed to the map in the files section of the ML):
* Regio Suburana:
4. On the northern slope of the Caelian near the temple of Minerva Capta;
* Regio Equisilina:
1. On the Fagutal, near the modern Via della Polveriera;
3. Just east of the Thermae Traianae;
4. Near the top of the Oppian;
5. At the lucus Poentelius (this site has not yet been located
precisely);
6. Near the top of the southern slope of the Cispius near the temple
of Iuno Lucina;
*Regio Collina:
3. Just east of the temple of Quirinus;
4. Near the temple of Salus and the Domus Attici;
5. Near the temple of Deus Fidius;
6. On the slope above the odern Piazza Magnanapoli;
* Regio Palatina:
5. Near the temple of Romulus on the Ceramus;
6. Near the temple of the Divine Penates (probably near the temple of
Venus and Rome).
The remaining sacraria cannot be located from the sources, although
they have been the matter of considerable conjecture.
On the Idus Maii another solemn procession of the pontifices, Vestals,
and the praetor urbanus retrieved the Argei and threw them into the
Tiber from the Pons Sublicius.

Scholarship suggests that the processions of the Argei were introduced
into Rome from Greek influences between the first and second Punic
Wars, possibly at the suggestion of the Sybilline Books. It is
possible that the sacraria Argeorum were also usesd as depositories of
topographical and property records. The meaning of the Argei
themselvesw is shrouded in mystery, even to the ancient sources.
Dionysius of Halicarnassus (i.19.38) and Ovid (_Fasti_ v.621-662)
ascribes the custom to Hercules substituting puppets of men for human
sacrifices to Saturn, Varro to the ancient settlement of Rome by the
Pelasgians (Varro, _de Lingua Latina_ 45). Plutarch in his
_Quaestiones Romanae_ (No. 32) observes:

"Why is it that in the month of May at the time of the full moon they
throw into the river from the Pons Sublicius figures of men, calling
the images thrown Argives?
"Is it because in ancient days the barbarians who lived in these parts
used to destroy thus the Greeks whom they captured? But Hercules, who
was much admired by them, put an end to their murder of strangers and
taught them to throw figures into the river, in imitation of their
superstitious custom. The men of old used to call all Greeks alike
Argives; unless it be, indeed, since the Arcadians regarded the
Argives also as their enemies because of their immediate proximity,
that, Traditional subsection when Evander and his men [Arcadians] fled
from Greece and settled there, they continued to preserve their
ancient feud and enmity [with the Argives]."

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21445 From: gfrose2000 Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: The Fine Art of Roman Wall Painting
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "The Fine Art of Roman Wall Painting":

http://www.accd.edu/sac/vat/arthistory/arts1303/Rome4.htm

This site, created by M. Hoover (San Antonio College), provides
examples of various styles of wall painting found at Roman sites.


Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21446 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Re: Question about provinciae magistratures
> >
>
> Thanks. But I am worried. Propraetores of NR are really ´Vox
> clamantis in deserto´. So much to do and... so few citizens...
>
>
> Vale bene,
> L. Arminius Faustus TRP


Salve Luci Armini;

Many congratulations to you, and I know what you mean. I've just
joined the Sodalitas Egressum for ideas and I do have one civis who's
keen to start a legion.
Have you thought about luring future cives with that nifty fried
dormice recipe from G. Minucius Hadrianus's new book suggestion;-)
bene vale in pace deorum
Fausta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21447 From: fpaini Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: New citizen
Salvete, citizens

I'm a new citizen and I want to extend my greetings to all of you.

Vale, Decius Equitius Aurelianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21448 From: decius_equitius_aurelianus Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: New citizen
Salvete,

I'm a new citizen from the US, Florida to be precise.
I'd like to say 'Hi' to all .

Vale, Decuis Equitus Aurelianus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21449 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Munera of the Feria Quinquatriae
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

For the Feria Quinquatriae we shall be introducing a new form of
munera with a new feature. The fights will be organised by lanistae
and the fights reported each day of the feria on the main list.
Citizens will not be sponsoring gladiators for these fights. However,
wagering on gladiatorial bouts was a major part of munera in Roma
antiqua and for the first time citizens will be able to bet on the
outcomes of each bout.

Each citizen or socius who wishes to participate will receive 100
faux-sesterces with which to wager. Note that on the advice of legal
counsel these faux-sesterces are not redeemable in real money or
property of real value and the wagering involved in these munera does
not violate the gambling statutes of the US or EU countries (for the
same reasons that no one has ever prosecuted Parker Brothers for
publishing the game "Monopoly"). Wins and losses will be calculated
by the aediles curules and their quaestores and the citizen's balance
of sesterces will be reported at the end of the munera. The odds will
be determined by the amount wagered by citizens. Sesterces won in the
munera may also be used in the Ludi Circenses to support or defend
against dirty actions.

Using Pompeian rules, citizens may wager for each bout on:
1. Which fighter will draw first blood; and
2. Which fighter will win.
If both fighters are stantes missi (i.e., are permitted to live by the
editor of the munera, usually on the recommendation of the audience),
the wagers on victory will be refunded. If first blood is not drawn
(an exceptional circumstance when both fighters fight so well neither
is able to score a hit), wagers on first blood will be refunded.

Citizens who wish to participate in the wagering may enter by emailing
to Quaestor G. Vipsanius Agrippa at canadaoccidentalis@... the
following information for each wager:

1. Nova Roman name and provincia;
2. The munera (prima, secunda, or tertia);
3. The name of the gladiator on whom he/she bets to score first blood
and the amount wagered; and/or
4. The name of the gladiator on whom he/she bets to win and the
amount wagered.

PLEASE PLACE ALL OF THE BETS FOR ALL OF THE THREE MUNERA IN _ONE_ EMAIL.

Wagers will be accepted until 12:01 AM, Roman time, on ante diem XIII
Kalendae Aprilis (March 20).

The edictum establishing the rules of these munera will be published
separately. For those who enjoyed the old style of munera, fear not.
There will also be munera in the old style in later feriae.

The bout card for the munera of the Feria Quinquatriae is:
_________________________________________________
MUNERA PRIMA -- ante diem XIII Kalendae Aprilis (March 20)

Carbo of the school of Mactator, retiarius, XII vix et V stantes
missi, shall fight Ahenobarbus of the school of Phenix, secutor, VI
vix et IV stantes missi.

Galba of the school of Mactator, secutor tyro, shall fight Alexandros
the Highwayman, noxius condemnatus, to the death.

Paulus of the School of Dalmaticus, dimachaerus, VIII vix, shall fight
Caepio the Latin, of the school of Phenix, secutor, IV vix et I
stantes missi. The fight shall be to the second blood.

MUNERA SECUNDA -- ante diem XII Kalendae Aprilis (March 21)

Pulus of the school of Mactator, thrakan, VI vix et II stantes missi,
shall fight Piso the Eturian of the school of Phenix, secutor tyro.

Eburnus the Greek of the school of Phenix, hoplomachus, III vix, shall
fight Strabo of the school of Mactator, secutor tyro.

Ruso of the school of Mactator, murmillo, VI vix, shall fight Rufinus
the Sicilian of the school of Phenix, retarius tyro.

Carbo of the school of Mactator, retiarius, XII vix et V stantes
missi, shall fight Ahenobarbus the German of the school of Phenix,
secutor, VI vix et IV stantes missi.

MUNERA TERTIA -- ante diem XI Kalendae Aprilis (March 22)

Phillipus the Greek of the school of Phenix, hoplomachus, II vix,
shall fight Brocchus of the school of Mactator, secutor tyro.

Pipinna of the school of Mactator, thrakan, XI vix et IV stantes
missi, shall fight Mus of the School of Dalmaticus, dimachaerus, X
vix. The fight shall be to the second blood.

Attalius the Gaul of the school of Phenix, secutor, XXI vix et IV
stantes missi, shall fight Crassus of the school of Mactator,
hoplomachus, XII vix et VIII stantes missi.

Mactator of the school of Mactator, five times recipient of the rudis,
secutor, XXXI vix et XXII stantes missi, shall fight Valens the Oscan
of the school of Phenix, secutor, XI vix et VI stantes missi.
_________________________________________________

Those new to the munera might find the following definitions useful:

A retiarius fought with a trident and a net which he used to entangle
his opponent.

A secutor wore a round crested helmet and armour on his right arm and
left shin; he carried a shield and fought with a spatha.

A tyro was a gladiator in his first professional bout.

A dimachaerus was a secutor who fought with two spathae and no shield
or a thrakan who fought with two sicae and no shield.

A thrakan, or Thracian, wore a large helmet crested with a griffon and
armour on both legs to the thigh; he carried a small round shield and
fought with a curved short sword, the sica.

A hoplomachus was a very heavily armoured gladiator with a visored
helmet, a manica covering his right arm and shoulder, and armour
protecting his left shin; he carried a military-style scutum and used
the gladius.

A murmillo wore a fish-crested helmet and leather armour on his right
forearm; he carried an oval shield and used a short sword or dagger.

A noxius condemnatus is a criminal condemned to gladiatorial combat.

Vix is the number of victories the gladiator has scored.

Stantes missi is the number of times a defeated gladiator has been
spared by popular acclaim.

The rudis was a wooden sword presented to a gladiator whose career of
success won such great acclaim that he was freed from gladiatorial status.

I invite all to participate in the munera of the Feria Quinquatriae in
honour of Minerva Dea.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21450 From: pompeia_cornelia Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Re: Question about provinciae magistratures
---Salvete G. Iuli Scaure et Omnes:

Agreed.

This is how I analyze the current elements of discussion with respect
to appointed provinciae staff. Consequently, each new governor should
issue an edictum indicated who is, and who is no longer a legatus,
scriba, etc.

Bene valete,
P. Cornelia




In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Rose <gfr@w...> wrote:
> G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.
>
> Salvete, Quirites.
>
> All appointments of legatii and scribae are by edictum and all edicta
> expire with the imperium of the issuing magistrate. Therefore, all
> propraetorian staff appointments are voided with the expiration of the
> propraetor's imperium.
>
> Valete.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21451 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: EDICTUM AEDILICIUM DE MUNERIBUS FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE
EDICTUM AEDILICIUM DE MUNERIBUS FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE
(AEDILICIAN EDICT CONCERNING THE MUNERA OF THE FERIA QUINQUATRIAE)

I. Munera shall be organised and conducted by lanistae appointed by
the aediles curules and the bouts of the munera reported on the main
list at the times specified by the Aediles Curules.

II. A card listing all bouts of the munera and the particulars of
each bout shall be published by the Aediles Curules at least four days
prior to the munera.

III. From publication of the card until 12:01 AM, Roman time, of the
day on which the first munera shall commence (ante diem XIII Kalendae
Aprilis, March 20) wagers on the bouts may be placed by citizens and
socii.

IV. Each citizen or socius who chooses to participate in the munera
shall be issued 100 faux-sesterces to wager on bouts in the munera.
These faux-sesterces shall have no value outside the munera and ludi
circenses of Nova Roma and may not be redeemed for real money or
property of real value. Sesterces won by wagering on the munera may
be used to support or defend aggainst dirty actions in the ludi circenses.

V. The Quaestor of the Aedilis Curulis responsible for the feria
shall record all wagers and with the aediles curules calculate odds
and award and deduct sesterces from the account of each entrant on the
basis of the outcome of wagers. In case of any dispute the decision
of the Aediles Curules shall be final. At the conclusion of the
munera the Aediles Curules shall announce the results of the wagering.

VI. Wagers may be placed on:
A. Which fighter will draw first blood in a bout;
B. Which fighter will win.

VII. If both fighters are stantes missi (i.e., are permitted to live
by the Aedilis Curulis supervising the munera, usually on the
recommendation of the audience), the wagers on victory will be
refunded. If first blood is not drawn (an exceptional circumstance
when both fighters fight so well neither is able to score a hit),
wagers on first blood will be refunded.

VIII. Citizens or socii who wish to participate in the wagering may
enter by emailing to Quaestor G. Vipsanius Agrippa at
canadaoccidentalis@... the following information for each wager:
A. Nova Roman name and provincia;
B. The munera (prima, secunda, or tertia);
C. The name of the gladiator on whom he/she bets to score first blood
and the amount wagered; and/or
D. The name of the gladiator on whom he/she bets to win and the
amount wagered.
All bets for all the three munera must be placed in one email per entrant.

IX. This edictum takes effect immediately.

Given on Idus Martii in the consulship of Cn. Salix Astur and Gn.
Equitius Marinus.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21452 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Salve

We know what Roman history was WITH the assassination of Caeser.

I wonder what it would have been like if he had lived. Would he have establish a monarchy like his grand-nephew or something different.

I would love to know????


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
----- Original Message -----
From: Lucius Arminius Faustus
To: LISTONA
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 9:36 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!


Salvete,

BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!

On this day so full of History, a piece of Plutarch, as a tradition. And as a tradition, yahoo will merge all text on a unreadable way.

Vale bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus TRP


PLUTARCH
THE LIFE OF IULIUS CAESAR





Certainly destiny may easier be foreseen than avoided, considering the strange and wonderful signs that were said to be seen before Caesar's death. For, touching the fires in the element 1 , and spirits running up and down in the night, and also
Predictions and foreshews of Caesar's death.
the solitary birds to be seen at noondays sitting in the great market-place, are not all these signs perhaps worth the noting, in such a wonderful chance as happened? But Strabo the philosopher writeth, that divers men were seen going up and down in fire: and furthermore, that there was a slave of the soldiers that did cast a marvellous burning flame out of his hand, insomuch as they that saw it thought he had been burnt; but when the fire was out, it was found he had no hurt. Caesar self 2 also [p. 98] doing sacrifice unto the gods, found that one of the beasts which was sacrificed had no heart: and that was a strange thing in nature, how a beast could live without a heart. Furthermore there was a certain
Caesar's day of his death prognosticated by a soothsayer.
soothsayer that had given Caesar warning long time afore, to take heed of the day of the Ides of March, (which is the fifteenth of the month), for on that day he should be in great danger. That day being come, Caesar going unto the Senate-house, and speaking merrily unto the soothsayer, told him, "the Ides of March be come :" " so they be," softly answered the soothsayer, " but yet are they not past." And the very day before, Caesar, supping with Marcus Lepidus, sealed certain letters, as he was wont to do, at the board: so, talk falling out amongst them, reasoning what death was best, he, preventing 3 their opinions, cried out aloud, " death unlooked for." Then going to bed the same night, as his manner was, and lying with his wife Calpurnia, all the windows and doors of his chamber flying open, the noise awoke him, and made him afraid when he saw such light: but more, when he heard his wife Calpurnia, being fast asleep, weep and sigh, and put forth many fumbling 4 lamentable
speeches: for
The dream of Calpurnia, Caesar's wife.
she dreamed that Caesar was slain, and that she had him in her arms. Others also do deny that she had any such dream, as, amongst other, Titus Livius writeth that it was in this sort: the Senate having set upon the top of Caesar's house, for an ornament and setting forth 5 a of the same, a certain pinnacle, Calpurnia dreamed that she saw it broken down, and that she thought she lamented and wept for it. Insomuch that, Caesar rising in the morning, she prayed him, if it were possible, not to go out of the doors that day, but to adjourn the session of the Senate until another day. And if that he made no reckoning of her dream, yet that he would search further of the soothsayers by their sacrifices, to know what should happen him that day. Thereby it seemed that Caesar likewise did fear or suspect somewhat, because his wife Calpurnia until that time was never given to any fear and superstition: and that then he saw her so troubled in mind with this dream she had. But much more
afterwards, when the soothsayers having sacrificed many beasts one after another, told him that none did like 6 them: then he determined to send Antonius to adjourn the session of the Senate.
LXIV.
Decius Brutus Albinus' persuasion to Caesar.
But in the mean time came Decius Brutus, surnamed Albinus, in whom Caesar put such confidence, that in his last will and testament he had appointed him to be his next heir, [p. 99] and yet was of the conspiracy with Cassius and Brutus: he, fearing that if Caesar did adjourn the session that day, the conspiracy would be betrayed, laughed at the soothsayers, and reproved Caesar, saying, " that he gave the Senate occasion to mislike with him, and that they might think he mocked them, considering that by his commandment they were assembled, and that they were ready willingly to grant him all things, and to proclaim him king of all his provinces of the Empire of Rome out of Italy, and that he should wear his diadem in all other places both by sea and land. And furthermore, that if any man should tell them from him they should 1 depart for that present time, and return again when Calpurnia should have better dreams, what would his enemies and ill-willers 2 say, and how could they like of 3
his friends' words? And who could persuade them otherwise, but that they would think his dominion a slavery unto them and tyrannical in himself? And yet if it be so," said he, "that you utterly mislike 4 of this day, it is better that you go yourself in person, and, saluting the Senate, to dismiss them till another time." Therewithal
Decius Brutus brought Caesar unto the Senate house.
he took Caesar by the hand, and brought him out of his house. Caesar was not gone far from his house, but a bond-man, a stranger, did what he could to speak with him: and when
The tokens of conspiracy against Caesar.
he saw he was put back by the great press and multitude of people that followed him, he went straight into his house, and put himself into Calpurnia's hands, to be kept till Caesar came back again, telling her that he had greater matters to impart unto him.
LXV. And one Artemidorus also, born in the isle of Cnidos, a doctor of rhetoric in the Greek tongue, who by means of his profession was very familiar with certain of Brutus' confederates, and therefore knew the most part of all their practices 1 against Caesar, came and brought him a little bill 2 , written with his own hand, of all that he meant to tell him. He, marking how Caesar received all the supplications that were offered him, and that he gave them straight 3 to his men that were about him, pressed nearer to him, and said: " Caesar, read this memorial to yourself, and that quickly, for they be matters of great weight, and touch you nearly." Caesar took it of him, but could never read it, though he many times attempted it, for the number of people that did salute him: but holding it still in his hand, keeping it to himself, went on withal into the Senate-house. Howbeit others are of opinion, that it was some man else that gave him that memorial, and not Artemidorus, who did
what he could [p. 100] all the way as he went to give it Caesar, but he was always repulsed by the people.
LXVI. For these things, they may seem to come by chance; but
The place where Caesar was slain.
the place where the murther 1 was prepared, and where the Senate were assembled, and where also there stood up an image of Pompey dedicated by himself amongst other ornaments which he gave unto the theatre, all these were manifest proofs, that it was the ordinance of some god that made this treason to be executed, specially in that very place. It is also reported, that Cassius (though otherwise he did favour the doctrine of Epicurus) beholding the image of Pompey, before they entered into the action of their traitorous enterprise, he did softly call upon it to aid him: but the instant danger of the present time, taking away his former reason, did suddenly put him into a furious passion, and made him like a man half besides 2 himself.
Antonius, Caesar's faithful friend.
Now Antonius, that was a faithful friend to Caesar, and a valiant man besides of his hands, him Decius Brutus Albinus entertained out of the Senate-house, having begun a long tale of set purpose. So Caesar coming into the house, all the Senate stood up on their feet to do him honour. Then part of Brutus' company and confederates stood round about Caesar's chair, and part of them also came towards him, as though they made suit with Metellus Cimber, to call home his brother again from banishment: and thus prosecuting still their suit, they followed Caesar till he was set in his chair. Who denying their petitions, and being offended with them one after another, because the more they were denied the more they pressed upon him and were the earnester with him, Metellus at length, taking his gown with both his hands, pulled it over his neck, which was the sign given the confederates to set upon him.
Casca the first that struck at Caesar.
Then Casca, behind him, strake 3 him in the neck with his sword; howbeit the wound was not great nor mortal, because it seemed the fear of such a devilish attempt did amaze him and take his strength from him, that he killed him not at the first blow. But Caesar, turning straight unto him, caught hold of his sword and held it hard; and they both cried out, Caesar in Latin: " O vile traitor Casca, what doest thou?" and Casca, in Greek, to his brother: "Brother, help me." At the beginning of this stir, they that were present, not knowing of the conspiracy, were so amazed with the horrible sight they saw, they had no power to fly, neither to help him, nor so much as once to make an outcry. They on the other side that had conspired his death compassed him in on every side with [p. 101] their swords drawn in their hands, that Caesar turned him no where but he was stricken at by some, and still had naked swords in his face, and was hackled 4 and mangled among them, as a wild beast taken of
5 hunters. For it was agreed among them that every man should give him a wound, because all their parts should be in this murther 6 : and then Brutus himself gave him one wound about his privities. Men report also, that Caesar did still defend himself against the rest, running every way with his body: but when he saw Brutus with his sword drawn in his hand, then he pulled his gown over his head, and made no more resistance, and was driven either casually or purposedly 7 , by the counsel of the conspirators, against the base whereupon Pompey's image stood, which ran all of 8 a gore-blood till he was slain. Thus it seemed that the image took just revenge of Pompey's enemy, being thrown down on the ground at his feet, and yielding up the ghost there, for the number of wounds he had upon him. For it is reported,
Caesar slain, and had 23 wounds upon him.
that he had three and twenty wounds upon his body: and divers of the conspirators did hurt themselves, striking one body with so many blows.
LXVII. When Caesar was slain, the Senate (though Brutus stood in the middest 1 amongst them, as though he would have said something touching this fact 2 ) presently ran out of the house, and flying, filled all the city with marvellous fear and tumult. Insomuch as some did shut to the doors, others forsook their shops and warehouses, and others ran to the place to see what the matter was: and others also that had seen it ran home to their houses again. But Antonius and Lepidus, which were two of Caesar's chiefest friends, secretly conveying themselves away, fled into other men's houses and forsook their own. Brutus and his confederates on the other side, being yet hot with this murther 3 they had committed, having their swords drawn in their hands, came all in a troup together
The murderers of Caesar do go to the market-place.
out of the Senate and went into the market-place, not as men that made countenance to fly, but otherwise boldly holding up their heads like men of courage, and called to the people to defend their liberty, and stayed to speak with every great personage whom they met in their way. Of them, some followed this troup and went amongst them, as if they had been of the conspiracy, and falsely challenged 4 part of the honour with them: amongst them was Caius Octavius and Lentulus Spinther. But both of them were afterwards put to death for their vain covetousness of honour, by Antonius and Octavius Caesar the younger; and yet had no [p. 102] part of that honour for the which they were both put to death, neither did any man believe that they were any of the confederates or of counsel with them. For they that did put them to death took revenge rather of the will they had to offend than of any fact 5 they had committed. The next morning, Brutus and his confederates came into the market-place to
speak unto the people, who gave them such audience, that it seemed they neither greatly reproved nor allowed 6 the fact 7 : for by their great silence they shewed that they were sorry for Caesar's death, and also that they did reverence Brutus. Now the Senate granted general pardon for all that was past; and, to pacify every man, ordained besides,
Caesar's funerals.
that Caesar's funerals should be honoured as a god, and established all things that he had done, and gave certain provinces also and convenient honours unto Brutus and his confederates, whereby every man thought all things were brought to good peace and quietness again.




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21453 From: StarVVreck@aol.com Date: 2004-03-15
Subject: Re: TV Schedule for "Bloody Rome Week" on the Discovery Channel
In a message dated 3/14/2004 10:55:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
photog@... writes:

• Monday, March 15: 8 p.m., Monster House (Roman House); 9 p.m.,
Monster Garage (Roman Chariot)
Monster House (Roman House), while probably far from acurate, was a great
show. I would LOVE to have that!


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21454 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: A call for candidates for the Plebeian Aedileship
Ex-Officio Tribunus Plebis Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Quiritibus SPD

Callidius Gracchus is missing in action . Because of a three month absence and no evidence that he ever took the required oath of office,

The Tribunes of the Plebis declare that the Plebeian Aedileship that Callidius Gracchus was elected to ,

to be vacant and we issue a call for candidates for the this office.

The Nova Roma Constitution states that the:
1.. Aediles plebis (Plebeian Aedile). Two plebeian aediles shall be elected by the comitia plebis tributa to serve a term lasting one year. They must both be of the plebeian order and shall have the following honors, powers, and obligations:
2.. To issue those edicta (edicts) necessary to see to the conduct of public games and other festivals and gatherings, to ensure order at public religious events, to see to the maintenance of any real public facilities that the State should acquire, and to administer the law (such edicts being binding upon themselves as well as others);
3.. To pronounce intercessio against another plebeian aedile or magistrate of lesser authority;
4.. To appoint scribae (clerks) to assist with administrative and other tasks, as he shall see fit.
In order to qualify to stand in this election as a candidate a person must be at least 21 years of age, a citizen of Nova Roma for at least six months, be classified by the Censors as Assidui (taxpayer) and be a member of the Plebeian order.


Contio from March 24 to 23:59 PM Roman time on March 26. Voting in the Comitia Plebis Tributa from March 27-March 31 23:59 PM Roman Time. All days of this candidacy declaration period and election are dies comitiales

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Julilla Sempronia Magna
Gaius Modius Athanasius
Tribunus Plebis

Done on this the 16th day of March, 2757 ab urbe condita
In the consulship of Gnaeus Salix Astur and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21455 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Inscripta in fronte: Penal Tatooing in Late Antiquity
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "Inscripta in fronte: Penal Tatooing in Late Antiquity":

http://www.ucpress.edu/scan/ca-free/161/gustafson.161.pdf

This essay by Mark Gustafson first appeared in _Classical Antiquity_
16:1 (1997).

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21456 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: ante diem XVII Kalendae Aprilis
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem XVII Kalendae Aprilis; the day is fastus and the
procession of the Argei. According to Varro (_de Lingua Latina_
v.45-54) and Ulpian (Dig. i.8.9.2) there were twenty-seven sacraria
associated with locales in the four Servian regiones of the city which
were visited in order in a lustral procession of the pontifices,
Vestals, and the praetor urbanus, the proccession of the Argei.
Gellius (x.15.30) and Ovid (_Fasti_ iii.791) indicate that small,
human-like puppets fashioned from bullrushes, called Argei, were
placed in these sacraria (termed Argea) on ante diem XVII and ante
diem XVI Kalendae Aprilis. Varro lists twelve of the sacraria and
their locations by regio (the numbers are keyed to the map in the
photos section of the ML):
* Regio Suburana:
4. On the northern slope of the Caelian near the temple of Minerva Capta;
* Regio Equisilina:
1. On the Fagutal, near the modern Via della Polveriera;
3. Just east of the Thermae Traianae;
4. Near the top of the Oppian;
5. At the lucus Poentelius (this site has not yet been located
precisely);
6. Near the top of the southern slope of the Cispius near the temple
of Iuno Lucina;
*Regio Collina:
3. Just east of the temple of Quirinus;
4. Near the temple of Salus and the Domus Attici;
5. Near the temple of Deus Fidius;
6. On the slope above the odern Piazza Magnanapoli;
* Regio Palatina:
5. Near the temple of Romulus on the Ceramus;
6. Near the temple of the Divine Penates (probably near the temple of
Venus and Rome).
The remaining sacraria cannot be located from the sources, although
they have been the matter of considerable conjecture.
On the Idus Maii another solemn procession of the pontifices, Vestals,
and the praetor urbanus retrieved the Argei and threw them into the
Tiber from the Pons Sublicius.

Scholarship suggests that the processions of the Argei were introduced
into Rome from Greek influences between the first and second Punic
Wars, possibly at the suggestion of the Sybilline Books. It is
possible that the sacraria Argeorum were also usesd as depositories of
topographical and property records. The meaning of the Argei
themselvesw is shrouded in mystery, even to the ancient sources.
Dionysius of Halicarnassus (i.19.38) and Ovid (_Fasti_ v.621-662)
ascribes the custom to Hercules substituting puppets of men for human
sacrifices to Saturn, Varro to the ancient settlement of Rome by the
Pelasgians (Varro, _de Lingua Latina_ 45). Plutarch in his
_Quaestiones Romanae_ (No. 32) observes:

"Why is it that in the month of May at the time of the full moon they
throw into the river from the Pons Sublicius figures of men, calling
the images thrown Argives?
"Is it because in ancient days the barbarians who lived in these parts
used to destroy thus the Greeks whom they captured? But Hercules, who
was much admired by them, put an end to their murder of strangers and
taught them to throw figures into the river, in imitation of their
superstitious custom. The men of old used to call all Greeks alike
Argives; unless it be, indeed, since the Arcadians regarded the
Argives also as their enemies because of their immediate proximity,
that, Traditional subsection when Evander and his men [Arcadians] fled
from Greece and settled there, they continued to preserve their
ancient feud and enmity [with the Argives]."

Tomorrow is ante diem XVI Kalendae Aprilis; the day is nesfastus
publicus, the procession of the Argei, the Feria Liberaliae, and the
Feria Agonalia Martiale. According to Varro (_de Lingua Latina_
v.45-54) and Ulpian (Dig. i.8.9.2) there were twenty-seven sacraria
associated with locales in the four Servian regiones of the city which
were visited in order in a lustral procession of the pontifices,
Vestals, and the praetor urbanus, the Proccession of the Argei.
Gellius (x.15.30) and Ovid (_Fasti_ iii.791) indicate that samll,
human-like puppets fashioned from bullrushes, called Argei, were
placed in these sacraria (termed Argea) on ante diem XVII and ante
diem XVI Kalendae Aprilis. Varro lists twelve of the sacraria and
their locations by regio (the numbers are keyed to the map in the
files section of the ML):
* Regio Suburana:
4. On the northern slope of the Caelian near the temple of Minerva Capta;
* Regio Equisilina:
1. On the Fagutal, near the modern Via della Polveriera;
3. Just east of the Thermae Traianae;
4. Near the top of the Oppian;
5. At the lucus Poentelius (this site has not yet been located
precisely);
6. Near the top of the southern slope of the Cispius near the temple
of Iuno Lucina;
*Regio Collina:
3. Just east of the temple of Quirinus;
4. Near the temple of Salus and the Domus Attici;
5. Near the temple of Deus Fidius;
6. On the slope above the odern Piazza Magnanapoli;
* Regio Palatina:
5. Near the temple of Romulus on the Ceramus;
6. Near the temple of the Divine Penates (probably near the temple of
Venus and Rome).
The remaining sacraria cannot be located from the sources, although
they have been the matter of considerable conjecture.
On the Idus Maii another solemn procession of the pontifices, Vestals,
and the praetor urbanus retrieved the Argei and threw them into the
Tiber from the Pons Sublicius.

Scholarship suggests that the processions of the Argei were introduced
into Rome from Greek influences between the first and second Punic
Wars, possibly at the suggestion of the Sybilline Books. It is
possible that the sacraria Argeorum were also usesd as depositories of
topographical and property records. The meaning of the Argei
themselvesw is shrouded in mystery, even to the ancient sources.
Dionysius of Halicarnassus (i.19.38) and Ovid (_Fasti_ v.621-662)
ascribes the custom to Hercules substituting puppets of men for human
sacrifices to Saturn, Varro to the ancient settlement of Rome by the
Pelasgians (Varro, _de Lingua Latina_ 45). Plutarch in his
_Quaestiones Romanae_ (No. 32) observes:

"Why is it that in the month of May at the time of the full moon they
throw into the river from the Pons Sublicius figures of men, calling
the images thrown Argives?
"Is it because in ancient days the barbarians who lived in these parts
used to destroy thus the Greeks whom they captured? But Hercules, who
was much admired by them, put an end to their murder of strangers and
taught them to throw figures into the river, in imitation of their
superstitious custom. The men of old used to call all Greeks alike
Argives; unless it be, indeed, since the Arcadians regarded the
Argives also as their enemies because of their immediate proximity,
that, Traditional subsection when Evander and his men [Arcadians] fled
from Greece and settled there, they continued to preserve their
ancient feud and enmity [with the Argives]."

Ovid (_Fasti_ 3.771-7888) writes of the Liberalia:

It remains for me to discover why the toga of freedom may be given
to boys on the day of your light-bearing feast, bright Bacchus;
or because you yourself the boy and the young man always see,
and the middle time between each is yours;
or because you are the father, fathers, their male children as surety,
entrust them to your care and numina;
or, because you are Liber, by clothing also is the free toga through you
taken up and the way of a freer life.
or because when the ancients cultivated the fields eagerly,
and the senator did the work for his homeland,
and the consul took up the fasces from the curved plow,
and it was no crime to have roughened hands,
the rustic people came to the games in the city
(but then honour was given to the Gods, not to popular enthusiasms;
by his light the inventor had the games of the grape,
which now he shares with the touch-bearing Goddess).
Therefore as the crowd can celebrate the novice,
Is this the day seen of the giving of the toga, not foreign garb?

The Liberalia was the day on which young Roman men sixteen years of
age donned the toga virilis and became free citizens of the city.
Varro also reports that aged priests and priestess, wearing garlands
of ivy, carried wine, honey, cakes, and other offferings with a
hand-borne altar through the city, making offerings at regular
intervals in celebration.

On the Feria Agonaliae Martiale a ram was sacrificed to Mars at the
Regia by the Rex Sacrorum.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21457 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Caesar's Death
All Romans then and present, have a fascination with G. Iulius Caesar. Today
marks his death, by people who felt they were liberators. Instead they found
the Republic was too far gone to recover, and they were dealt with by Caesar's
inheritors.

The Republic was gone, and the new Roman monachy appeared in its place.
The following passages are from Suetonius, my translations

The Selected Passages from Suetonius: Iulius Caesar

More than sixty conspirators banded together against him, led by
Gaius Cassius and Marcus and Decimus Brutus. A suggested plan was
to wait until the consular elections, when Caesar would take his
place on the wooden bridge along which voters walked to the poll; one
group of conspirators would then throw him over, while another
waited underneath with daggers drawn. The alternative was to attack
him in the Sacred Way at the entrance to the Theater. The
conspirators wavered between these plans until Caesar called a meeting
of the Senate in the Pompeian Assembly Room for the Ides of March;
they then decided at once that this would be a convenient time and place.

Unmistakable signs forewarned Caesar of his assassination. A few
months before, vets who had been sent to colonize Capua under the
Julian Law, were breaking up some ancient tombs in search of material
for their new dwellings which was made the more earnest by the discovery
of a huge hoard of old vases.
One of these tombs was that of Kapys the founder of the city, and within they

found a bronze tablet with a Greek inscription to this effect: "Disturb the
remains of Kapys, and a man of Trojan stock will be killed by kindred
and later avenged at a great cost to Italy."
This story should not be dismissed as an idle tale, or falsehood, since our
authority is none other than Cornelius Balbus close friend of Caesar's.
Soon after this, news reached Caesar that the herd of horses which he
dedicated to the spirit of the River Rubicon, after his crossing, who were allowed to
roam freely in the valley, were showing disdain for the pasture, and crying
copious amount of tears. Again, during a sacrifice the augur Spurinna told
Caesar that danger threatening him would not come later the Ides of Martius, and
on the day before the Ides a small bird called the King Bird, flew into the
hall of Pompius with a sprig of laurel in its beak, pursued by a swarm of birds
of the nearby copse which tore it to pieces there.
And on his last night Caesar dreamed that he was soaring above the clouds,
and then shaking hands with Jupiter; while his wife Calpurnia dreamed that the
gable- ornament, resembling that of a temple, which had been one of the honors
voted him by the Senate, collapsed, and there he lay stabbed in her arms! She
awoke suddenly and the bedroom door burst open of its own accord.

These warnings, and ill-health, made him hesitate for some time whether to go
ahead with his plans, or whether to postpone the meeting. Finally Decimus
Brutus persuaded him not to disappoint the Senate, who had been in full session
for some time, waiting for his arrival. It was about ten o'clock when he set
off for the House. Along the way, someone handed him a note containing details
of the plot against his life, but he merely added it to the bundleof petitions
in his left hand, which he intended to read later. Several victims were then
sacrificed, and despite the unfavorable omens he entered the House, all the
while chastening Spurinna augur as a false prophet. The Ides have come,' he
said. 'Yes, they have come,' replied Spurinna 'but they have not yet gone!'

As soon as Caesar took his seat the conspirators crowded around him as if to
pay their respects Cimber, who had taken the lead, came up close, pretending
to ask a question. Caesar made a gesture of postponement, but Cimber caught
hold of his shoulders; "This is savagery!" Caesar cried, and at that moment, as
he turned away, one of the Casca brothers with a sweep of his dagger stabbed
him below the throat. Caesar grasped Casca's arm and ran it through with his
stylus; he was springing away when another blow stopped him. Confronted by the
ring of drawn daggers, be drew the top of his toga over his face, and at the
same time loosened the lower part letting it fall to his feet so that his demise
would occur with both limbs covered.
Twenty three dagger thrusts went home as be stood there. Caesar did not
utter a sound after Casca's blow had drawn a groan from him, though some say that
when he saw Marcus Brutus about to deliver the second blow, he reproached him
in Greek with: "What? You too, my child?"
The entire Senate then dispersed in confusion, with Caesar lying dead for
some time until three slave boys carried him home in a litter with one arm
hanging over the side. The physician Antistius conducted the past mortem and came to
the conclusion that none of wounds had been mortal except the second one, in
the chest.


Some of his friends suspected that, having no desire to live much
longer because of his declining health, he had taken no precautions
against the conspiracy, and neglected the warnings of soothsayers
and well-wishers. It his also been suggested that he placed such
confidence in the Senate's last decree and in their oath of loyalty,
that he dispensed even with the armed Spaniards who had up to then
acted as his escort. A contrary view is that as a relief from taking
constant precautions, he deliberately exposed himself; just this
once, to all the plots against his life which he knew had been
formed.
Also, he is quoted as having often said: 'It is more important for Rome
than for myself that I should survive. I have long been sated with power and
glory; but, should anything happen to me, Rome will enjoy no peace.
A new Civil War will break out under far worse conditions than the last.'

Almost all authorities agree on one thing, that he more or less
welcomed the manner of his death. He had once read in Xenophon's
Boyhood of Cyrus (II) the paragraph about the funeral instructions given
by Cyrus on his deathbed, and said how much he loathed the prospect
of a lingering end he wanted a sudden one. And on the day before his
murder he had dined at Marcus Lepidus' house, where the topic
discussed happened to be 'the best sort of death' and 'Let it come
quickly and unexpectedly,' so cried Caesar.
He was fifty-five years old when be died, and his immediate
dedication, formally decreed, was more than a mere official decree
since it reflected public conviction; if only because, on the first
day of the Games given by his successor Augustus in honor of this
apotheosis, a comet appeared about an hour before sunset and shone for
seven days running. This was held to be his Soul, elevated to
Heaven; hence the star, which now placed above the forehead of his divine
image.
The Senate voted that the Assembly Hall where he fell should be
walled up; that the Ides should be known ever afterwards as
'The Day of Parricide'; and that a meeting of the Senate should
never take place on it ever again.
Very few, indeed, of the assassins outlived Caesar for more than
three years, or died naturally. All were condemned, and all perished
different ways: some in shipwreck, some in battle, some using
the very weapons with which they had murdered Caesar to end their own
lives.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21458 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Re: Question about provinciae magistratures
Salve,

Yes, yes... proselitism. NR needs deseperately new citizens... and
discover a way of keeping them as well... :)

How?

Vale bene,
L. Arminius Faustus TRP


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sep. Fabia Vera" <rory12001@y...>
wrote:
>
> > >
> >
> > Thanks. But I am worried. Propraetores of NR are really ´Vox
> > clamantis in deserto´. So much to do and... so few citizens...
> >
> >
> > Vale bene,
> > L. Arminius Faustus TRP
>
>
> Salve Luci Armini;
>
> Many congratulations to you, and I know what you mean. I've just
> joined the Sodalitas Egressum for ideas and I do have one civis
who's
> keen to start a legion.
> Have you thought about luring future cives with that nifty fried
> dormice recipe from G. Minucius Hadrianus's new book suggestion;-)
> bene vale in pace deorum
> Fausta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21459 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Re: Fwd: Latin Translation of the Oath of Office
Salve omnes,

I deeply admire the will of correcting the Oath of Office.

However I urge that this be upgraded on NR tabularium.

And even put on the following link a note that the correction was
made:

http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/edicts/consul-1999-09-07.html.la

A citizen, searching on Tabularium, will only see this link as the
newest version, and problably will use it.


Vale bene,
L. Arminius Faustus TRP



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus"
<gawne@c...> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites,
>
> As the new propraetors begin to post their oaths of office, I remind
> them that this newer Latin translation of the oath was posted back
in
> January by my colleague, Consul Salix Astur. Please, if you're
going
> to swear your oath in Latin, use this version.
>
> Valete,
>
> -- Marinus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Salix Astur
<salixastur@y...>
> wrote:
> Cn. Salix Astur Quiritibus S.P.D.
>
> For several years, our magistrates have sworn an oath upon their
> appointment. This oath is officially defined by the Lex Iunia de
> Iusiurando:
> http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/1999-10-19-ii.html
>
> Some of our magistrates, in an effort to be closer to our
forefathers,
> have sworn a Latin translation of that oath at the same time as the
> official English oath. Several such translations have circulated.
>
> After some comments on this forum about the correctness of one of
such
> translations, I asked Flavia Tullia, our resident latinist, to
provide
> a translation of the official oath of office that could be
presented to
> the public as a possible addendum to that official oath of office.
>
> She, with the help of other citizens like Praetor Cn. Octavius
> Noricus, Aedilis Plebeia Emilia Curia Finnica and Aulus Aenobarbus,
> has managed to fulfill this petition in a timely and proper manner.
> Pontifex C. Iulius Scaurus acceded to revise the text and gave his
> "imprimatur". So here it is:
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21460 From: FAC Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Re: Question about provinciae magistratures
Salvete,
yes, the propraetores are vox in deserto bu you can't be worried,
it's not a requirement of a governor ;-)
When I was appointed Propraetor Italiae, we were 4 active citizens
in a province with 65 citizens without infrastructures, ideas and
contacts. NR was totally unknow in Italy.
With the precious help by Manius Constantinus Serapio, we started
a "citizens-raising" contactin universities, the historical local
groups, the most important re-enactors, the associations and other
italian websites about Antiqua Roma. And we created a big and rich
website and an iper-active list, And we planned several real and
virtual projects involving the highest number of citizens.
The secret is the passion and the promotion of this passion. More
people will be involved in this passion, more active citizens will
arrive to you.
I would be very proud to help the new propraetores with little
suggestions about the organization of the own provinciae.
Good luck!

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
<lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> Yes, yes... proselitism. NR needs deseperately new citizens... and
> discover a way of keeping them as well... :)
>
> How?
>
> Vale bene,
> L. Arminius Faustus TRP
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sep. Fabia Vera"
<rory12001@y...>
> wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Thanks. But I am worried. Propraetores of NR are really ´Vox
> > > clamantis in deserto´. So much to do and... so few citizens...
> > >
> > >
> > > Vale bene,
> > > L. Arminius Faustus TRP
> >
> >
> > Salve Luci Armini;
> >
> > Many congratulations to you, and I know what you mean. I've
just
> > joined the Sodalitas Egressum for ideas and I do have one civis
> who's
> > keen to start a legion.
> > Have you thought about luring future cives with that nifty
fried
> > dormice recipe from G. Minucius Hadrianus's new book suggestion;-
)
> > bene vale in pace deorum
> > Fausta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21461 From: M.ADRIANVS COMPLVTENSIS Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: OATH OF OFFICE / JURAMENTO / IVS IVRANDVM
I, MARCVS ADRIANVS COMPLVTENSIS (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the People and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, MARCVS ADRIANVS COMPLVTENSIS (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, MARCVS ADRIANVS COMPLVTENSIS (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, MARCVS ADRIANVS COMPLVTENSIS (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, MARCVS ADRIANVS COMPLVTENSIS (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of LEGATUS INTERNIS REBUS HISPANIAE PROVINCIA NOVAE ROMAE to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of LEGATUS INTERNIS REBUS HISPANIAE PROVINCIA NOVAE ROMAE and all the rights,privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

In Hispania Provincia, ante diem XVII Kal. APRILES MMDCCLVII auc, (March, 16 2004), in the year of the consulship of Cn.Salix Astur and Cn. Equitius Marinus.

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Yo, MARCVS ADRIANVS COMPLVTENSIS (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), por la presente juro solemnemente enaltecer el honor de Nova Roma y trabajar siempre por los legítimos intereses del Senado y el Pueblo de Nova Roma.

Como un magistrado de Nova Roma, yo, MARCVS ADRIANVS COMPLVTENSIS (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), juro honrar a los Dioses y Diosas de Roma en mis actividades públicas, y perseguir las Virtudes Romanas en mi vida pública y privada.

Yo, MARCVS ADRIANVS COMPLVTENSIS (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), juro mantener y defender la Religión Romana como Religión Estatal de Nova Roma, y nunca actuar de manera que pueda resultar amenazada su condición de Religión del Estado.

Yo, MARCVS ADRIANVS COMPLVTENSIS (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), juro proteger y defender la Constitución de Nova Roma.

Yo, MARCVS ADRIANVS COMPLVTENSIS (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso), juro además cumplir con las obligaciones y responsabilidades del cargo de LEGATUS INTERNIS REBUS HISPANIAE PROVINCIA NOVAE ROMAE, poniendo en ello toda mi capacidad y habilidades.

Por mi honor de ciudadano de Nova Roma, en presencia de los Dioses y
Diosas del Pueblo Romano y por su voluntad y favor, acepto la posición
de LEGATUS INTERNIS REBUS HISPANIAE PROVINCIA NOVAE ROMAE y todos los derechos, privilegios, obligaciones y responsabilidades que a ella corresponden.

En Hispania, aante diem XVII Kal. APRILES MMDCCLVII auc, (16 de Marzo de 2004).
Durante el Consulado de Gnaeus Salix Astur y Gnaeus Equitius Marinus

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Ego, MARCVS ADRIANVS COMPLVTENSIS (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso) hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatusque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, MARCVS ADRIANVS COMPLVTENSIS EN NOMINATIVO (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso) officio LEGATI INTERNIS REBUS HISPANIAE PROVINCIA NOVAE ROMAE accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus me culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum/am esse IVRO.

Ego, MARCVS ADRIANVS COMPLVTENSIS (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso) Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum/am esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, MARCVS ADRIANVS COMPLVTENSIS EN NOMINATIVO (David-Lloyd Pais Alonso) officiis muneris LEGATI INTERNIS REBUS HISPANIAE PROVINCIA NOVAE ROMAE me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus LEGATI INTERNIS REBUS HISPANIAE PROVINCIA NOVAE ROMAE una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus accipio.

Hispaniae, ante diem XVII Kal. APRILES MMDCCLVII ab Vrbe condita, Cn. Salici Asturi Cn. Equitio Marino Consulibus
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M. ADR. COMPLVTENSIS
VERBA VOLANT

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21462 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Salve Galeri Pauline,

Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> I wonder what it would have been like if he had lived. Would he have
> establish a monarchy like his grand-nephew or something different.

Sorry I can't help you specifically, but you might enjoy

"What If?: The World's Foremost Military Historians Imagine What Might
Have Been," by Robert Cowley (Editor), et al (Paperback - September
2000).

I'm afraid it doesn't talk about Caesar, though. Volume II, published in
2001, does ask, among other things, "what if Octavian was defeated at
Actium?," "what if Pontius Pilate had not crucified Jesus?," and my
favorite "what if the Chinese had discovered America?"

Vale

Ambrosius Celetrus
EX ORIENTE Lux||EX OCCIDENTE LEX
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21463 From: Domus Ludus Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Updated Temple of Juno
Salvete,

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21464 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Re: Fwd: Latin Translation of the Oath of Office
Salvete Quirites,

Lucius Arminius Faustus wrote:

> I deeply admire the will of correcting the Oath of Office.
>
> However I urge that this be upgraded on NR tabularium.
>
> And even put on the following link a note that the correction was
> made:
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/edicts/consul-1999-09-07.html.la

Excellent point. Consul Astur was going to do that, but I guess he got
sidetracked. I'll see what I can do about getting the translation updated.

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21465 From: Steve Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
That's interesting. I forget where I picked this up, but I read
somewhere that he picked up the idea of the god-king from his Nile
journey with Cleopatra and brought that pharonic concept back to
Rome. Don't know if it's true, but it is interesting.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:
> Salve
>
> We know what Roman history was WITH the assassination of Caeser.
>
> I wonder what it would have been like if he had lived. Would he
have establish a monarchy like his grand-nephew or something
different.
>
> I would love to know????
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lucius Arminius Faustus
> To: LISTONA
> Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 9:36 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
>
>
> Salvete,
>
> BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!
>
> On this day so full of History, a piece of Plutarch, as a
tradition. And as a tradition, yahoo will merge all text on a
unreadable way.
>
> Vale bene in pacem deorum,
> L. Arminius Faustus TRP
>
>
> PLUTARCH
> THE LIFE OF IULIUS CAESAR
>
>
>
>
>
> Certainly destiny may easier be foreseen than avoided,
considering the strange and wonderful signs that were said to be seen
before Caesar's death. For, touching the fires in the element 1 , and
spirits running up and down in the night, and also
> Predictions and foreshews of Caesar's death.
> the solitary birds to be seen at noondays sitting in the great
market-place, are not all these signs perhaps worth the noting, in
such a wonderful chance as happened? But Strabo the philosopher
writeth, that divers men were seen going up and down in fire: and
furthermore, that there was a slave of the soldiers that did cast a
marvellous burning flame out of his hand, insomuch as they that saw
it thought he had been burnt; but when the fire was out, it was found
he had no hurt. Caesar self 2 also [p. 98] doing sacrifice unto the
gods, found that one of the beasts which was sacrificed had no heart:
and that was a strange thing in nature, how a beast could live
without a heart. Furthermore there was a certain
> Caesar's day of his death prognosticated by a soothsayer.
> soothsayer that had given Caesar warning long time afore, to take
heed of the day of the Ides of March, (which is the fifteenth of the
month), for on that day he should be in great danger. That day being
come, Caesar going unto the Senate-house, and speaking merrily unto
the soothsayer, told him, "the Ides of March be come :" " so they
be," softly answered the soothsayer, " but yet are they not past."
And the very day before, Caesar, supping with Marcus Lepidus, sealed
certain letters, as he was wont to do, at the board: so, talk falling
out amongst them, reasoning what death was best, he, preventing 3
their opinions, cried out aloud, " death unlooked for." Then going to
bed the same night, as his manner was, and lying with his wife
Calpurnia, all the windows and doors of his chamber flying open, the
noise awoke him, and made him afraid when he saw such light: but
more, when he heard his wife Calpurnia, being fast asleep, weep and
sigh, and put forth many fumbling 4 lamentable
> speeches: for
> The dream of Calpurnia, Caesar's wife.
> she dreamed that Caesar was slain, and that she had him in her
arms. Others also do deny that she had any such dream, as, amongst
other, Titus Livius writeth that it was in this sort: the Senate
having set upon the top of Caesar's house, for an ornament and
setting forth 5 a of the same, a certain pinnacle, Calpurnia dreamed
that she saw it broken down, and that she thought she lamented and
wept for it. Insomuch that, Caesar rising in the morning, she prayed
him, if it were possible, not to go out of the doors that day, but to
adjourn the session of the Senate until another day. And if that he
made no reckoning of her dream, yet that he would search further of
the soothsayers by their sacrifices, to know what should happen him
that day. Thereby it seemed that Caesar likewise did fear or suspect
somewhat, because his wife Calpurnia until that time was never given
to any fear and superstition: and that then he saw her so troubled in
mind with this dream she had. But much more
> afterwards, when the soothsayers having sacrificed many beasts
one after another, told him that none did like 6 them: then he
determined to send Antonius to adjourn the session of the Senate.
> LXIV.
> Decius Brutus Albinus' persuasion to Caesar.
> But in the mean time came Decius Brutus, surnamed Albinus, in
whom Caesar put such confidence, that in his last will and testament
he had appointed him to be his next heir, [p. 99] and yet was of the
conspiracy with Cassius and Brutus: he, fearing that if Caesar did
adjourn the session that day, the conspiracy would be betrayed,
laughed at the soothsayers, and reproved Caesar, saying, " that he
gave the Senate occasion to mislike with him, and that they might
think he mocked them, considering that by his commandment they were
assembled, and that they were ready willingly to grant him all
things, and to proclaim him king of all his provinces of the Empire
of Rome out of Italy, and that he should wear his diadem in all other
places both by sea and land. And furthermore, that if any man should
tell them from him they should 1 depart for that present time, and
return again when Calpurnia should have better dreams, what would his
enemies and ill-willers 2 say, and how could they like of 3
> his friends' words? And who could persuade them otherwise, but
that they would think his dominion a slavery unto them and tyrannical
in himself? And yet if it be so," said he, "that you utterly mislike
4 of this day, it is better that you go yourself in person, and,
saluting the Senate, to dismiss them till another time." Therewithal
> Decius Brutus brought Caesar unto the Senate house.
> he took Caesar by the hand, and brought him out of his house.
Caesar was not gone far from his house, but a bond-man, a stranger,
did what he could to speak with him: and when
> The tokens of conspiracy against Caesar.
> he saw he was put back by the great press and multitude of people
that followed him, he went straight into his house, and put himself
into Calpurnia's hands, to be kept till Caesar came back again,
telling her that he had greater matters to impart unto him.
> LXV. And one Artemidorus also, born in the isle of Cnidos, a
doctor of rhetoric in the Greek tongue, who by means of his
profession was very familiar with certain of Brutus' confederates,
and therefore knew the most part of all their practices 1 against
Caesar, came and brought him a little bill 2 , written with his own
hand, of all that he meant to tell him. He, marking how Caesar
received all the supplications that were offered him, and that he
gave them straight 3 to his men that were about him, pressed nearer
to him, and said: " Caesar, read this memorial to yourself, and that
quickly, for they be matters of great weight, and touch you nearly."
Caesar took it of him, but could never read it, though he many times
attempted it, for the number of people that did salute him: but
holding it still in his hand, keeping it to himself, went on withal
into the Senate-house. Howbeit others are of opinion, that it was
some man else that gave him that memorial, and not Artemidorus, who
did
> what he could [p. 100] all the way as he went to give it Caesar,
but he was always repulsed by the people.
> LXVI. For these things, they may seem to come by chance; but
> The place where Caesar was slain.
> the place where the murther 1 was prepared, and where the Senate
were assembled, and where also there stood up an image of Pompey
dedicated by himself amongst other ornaments which he gave unto the
theatre, all these were manifest proofs, that it was the ordinance of
some god that made this treason to be executed, specially in that
very place. It is also reported, that Cassius (though otherwise he
did favour the doctrine of Epicurus) beholding the image of Pompey,
before they entered into the action of their traitorous enterprise,
he did softly call upon it to aid him: but the instant danger of the
present time, taking away his former reason, did suddenly put him
into a furious passion, and made him like a man half besides 2
himself.
> Antonius, Caesar's faithful friend.
> Now Antonius, that was a faithful friend to Caesar, and a valiant
man besides of his hands, him Decius Brutus Albinus entertained out
of the Senate-house, having begun a long tale of set purpose. So
Caesar coming into the house, all the Senate stood up on their feet
to do him honour. Then part of Brutus' company and confederates stood
round about Caesar's chair, and part of them also came towards him,
as though they made suit with Metellus Cimber, to call home his
brother again from banishment: and thus prosecuting still their suit,
they followed Caesar till he was set in his chair. Who denying their
petitions, and being offended with them one after another, because
the more they were denied the more they pressed upon him and were the
earnester with him, Metellus at length, taking his gown with both his
hands, pulled it over his neck, which was the sign given the
confederates to set upon him.
> Casca the first that struck at Caesar.
> Then Casca, behind him, strake 3 him in the neck with his sword;
howbeit the wound was not great nor mortal, because it seemed the
fear of such a devilish attempt did amaze him and take his strength
from him, that he killed him not at the first blow. But Caesar,
turning straight unto him, caught hold of his sword and held it hard;
and they both cried out, Caesar in Latin: " O vile traitor Casca,
what doest thou?" and Casca, in Greek, to his brother: "Brother, help
me." At the beginning of this stir, they that were present, not
knowing of the conspiracy, were so amazed with the horrible sight
they saw, they had no power to fly, neither to help him, nor so much
as once to make an outcry. They on the other side that had conspired
his death compassed him in on every side with [p. 101] their swords
drawn in their hands, that Caesar turned him no where but he was
stricken at by some, and still had naked swords in his face, and was
hackled 4 and mangled among them, as a wild beast taken of
> 5 hunters. For it was agreed among them that every man should
give him a wound, because all their parts should be in this murther
6 : and then Brutus himself gave him one wound about his privities.
Men report also, that Caesar did still defend himself against the
rest, running every way with his body: but when he saw Brutus with
his sword drawn in his hand, then he pulled his gown over his head,
and made no more resistance, and was driven either casually or
purposedly 7 , by the counsel of the conspirators, against the base
whereupon Pompey's image stood, which ran all of 8 a gore-blood till
he was slain. Thus it seemed that the image took just revenge of
Pompey's enemy, being thrown down on the ground at his feet, and
yielding up the ghost there, for the number of wounds he had upon
him. For it is reported,
> Caesar slain, and had 23 wounds upon him.
> that he had three and twenty wounds upon his body: and divers of
the conspirators did hurt themselves, striking one body with so many
blows.
> LXVII. When Caesar was slain, the Senate (though Brutus stood in
the middest 1 amongst them, as though he would have said something
touching this fact 2 ) presently ran out of the house, and flying,
filled all the city with marvellous fear and tumult. Insomuch as some
did shut to the doors, others forsook their shops and warehouses, and
others ran to the place to see what the matter was: and others also
that had seen it ran home to their houses again. But Antonius and
Lepidus, which were two of Caesar's chiefest friends, secretly
conveying themselves away, fled into other men's houses and forsook
their own. Brutus and his confederates on the other side, being yet
hot with this murther 3 they had committed, having their swords drawn
in their hands, came all in a troup together
> The murderers of Caesar do go to the market-place.
> out of the Senate and went into the market-place, not as men that
made countenance to fly, but otherwise boldly holding up their heads
like men of courage, and called to the people to defend their
liberty, and stayed to speak with every great personage whom they met
in their way. Of them, some followed this troup and went amongst
them, as if they had been of the conspiracy, and falsely challenged 4
part of the honour with them: amongst them was Caius Octavius and
Lentulus Spinther. But both of them were afterwards put to death for
their vain covetousness of honour, by Antonius and Octavius Caesar
the younger; and yet had no [p. 102] part of that honour for the
which they were both put to death, neither did any man believe that
they were any of the confederates or of counsel with them. For they
that did put them to death took revenge rather of the will they had
to offend than of any fact 5 they had committed. The next morning,
Brutus and his confederates came into the market-place to
> speak unto the people, who gave them such audience, that it
seemed they neither greatly reproved nor allowed 6 the fact 7 : for
by their great silence they shewed that they were sorry for Caesar's
death, and also that they did reverence Brutus. Now the Senate
granted general pardon for all that was past; and, to pacify every
man, ordained besides,
> Caesar's funerals.
> that Caesar's funerals should be honoured as a god, and
established all things that he had done, and gave certain provinces
also and convenient honours unto Brutus and his confederates, whereby
every man thought all things were brought to good peace and quietness
again.
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21466 From: Steve Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Re: Caesar's Death
I sometimes wonder if the American republic is moving toward
monarchy. You can certainly see moves in this direction as far back
as Theodore Roosevelt, but the current administration is consciously
using more religious language to justify it's planting the U.S. flag
in foreign soil, so who knows? Obviously, the move from republic to
monarchy and back again exists precedentally in Western Civilization.
Perhaps this is that part of the swing from one to the other. In the
long run, this may not necessarily be a bad thing. For the individual
there are surely some hairy times ahead, but for the overall society
it may be the right move. The pendulum will swing back to republic
eventually. It's almost as if a republic with some sort of free
market economy gathers great resources together and creates great
wealth. After awhile there are too many special interest groups
trying to hold onto their piece and get their hands on other pieces
and nothing really seems to work society-wide anymore. Sound
familiar? Perhaps this is where a monarch comes in and channels the
hard resources and the economic resources into something beneficial
for all. Of course, monarchies are notorious for their greed, so the
cycle eventually starts over again with the mercantile class
demanding a greater say... Well, I'm not married to this idea, but
it's something to toss about.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, QFabiusMaxmi@a... wrote:
>
> All Romans then and present, have a fascination with G. Iulius
Caesar. Today
> marks his death, by people who felt they were liberators. Instead
they found
> the Republic was too far gone to recover, and they were dealt with
by Caesar's
> inheritors.
>
> The Republic was gone, and the new Roman monachy appeared in its
place.
> The following passages are from Suetonius, my translations
>
> The Selected Passages from Suetonius: Iulius Caesar
>
> More than sixty conspirators banded together against him, led by
> Gaius Cassius and Marcus and Decimus Brutus. A suggested plan was
> to wait until the consular elections, when Caesar would take his
> place on the wooden bridge along which voters walked to the poll;
one
> group of conspirators would then throw him over, while another
> waited underneath with daggers drawn. The alternative was to attack
> him in the Sacred Way at the entrance to the Theater. The
> conspirators wavered between these plans until Caesar called a
meeting
> of the Senate in the Pompeian Assembly Room for the Ides of March;
> they then decided at once that this would be a convenient time and
place.
>
> Unmistakable signs forewarned Caesar of his assassination. A few
> months before, vets who had been sent to colonize Capua under the
> Julian Law, were breaking up some ancient tombs in search of
material
> for their new dwellings which was made the more earnest by the
discovery
> of a huge hoard of old vases.
> One of these tombs was that of Kapys the founder of the city, and
within they
>
> found a bronze tablet with a Greek inscription to this
effect: "Disturb the
> remains of Kapys, and a man of Trojan stock will be killed by
kindred
> and later avenged at a great cost to Italy."
> This story should not be dismissed as an idle tale, or falsehood,
since our
> authority is none other than Cornelius Balbus close friend of
Caesar's.
> Soon after this, news reached Caesar that the herd of horses which
he
> dedicated to the spirit of the River Rubicon, after his crossing,
who were allowed to
> roam freely in the valley, were showing disdain for the pasture,
and crying
> copious amount of tears. Again, during a sacrifice the augur
Spurinna told
> Caesar that danger threatening him would not come later the Ides of
Martius, and
> on the day before the Ides a small bird called the King Bird, flew
into the
> hall of Pompius with a sprig of laurel in its beak, pursued by a
swarm of birds
> of the nearby copse which tore it to pieces there.
> And on his last night Caesar dreamed that he was soaring above the
clouds,
> and then shaking hands with Jupiter; while his wife Calpurnia
dreamed that the
> gable- ornament, resembling that of a temple, which had been one of
the honors
> voted him by the Senate, collapsed, and there he lay stabbed in her
arms! She
> awoke suddenly and the bedroom door burst open of its own accord.
>
> These warnings, and ill-health, made him hesitate for some time
whether to go
> ahead with his plans, or whether to postpone the meeting. Finally
Decimus
> Brutus persuaded him not to disappoint the Senate, who had been in
full session
> for some time, waiting for his arrival. It was about ten o'clock
when he set
> off for the House. Along the way, someone handed him a note
containing details
> of the plot against his life, but he merely added it to the
bundleof petitions
> in his left hand, which he intended to read later. Several victims
were then
> sacrificed, and despite the unfavorable omens he entered the House,
all the
> while chastening Spurinna augur as a false prophet. The Ides have
come,' he
> said. 'Yes, they have come,' replied Spurinna 'but they have not
yet gone!'
>
> As soon as Caesar took his seat the conspirators crowded around him
as if to
> pay their respects Cimber, who had taken the lead, came up close,
pretending
> to ask a question. Caesar made a gesture of postponement, but
Cimber caught
> hold of his shoulders; "This is savagery!" Caesar cried, and at
that moment, as
> he turned away, one of the Casca brothers with a sweep of his
dagger stabbed
> him below the throat. Caesar grasped Casca's arm and ran it through
with his
> stylus; he was springing away when another blow stopped him.
Confronted by the
> ring of drawn daggers, be drew the top of his toga over his face,
and at the
> same time loosened the lower part letting it fall to his feet so
that his demise
> would occur with both limbs covered.
> Twenty three dagger thrusts went home as be stood there. Caesar
did not
> utter a sound after Casca's blow had drawn a groan from him, though
some say that
> when he saw Marcus Brutus about to deliver the second blow, he
reproached him
> in Greek with: "What? You too, my child?"
> The entire Senate then dispersed in confusion, with Caesar lying
dead for
> some time until three slave boys carried him home in a litter with
one arm
> hanging over the side. The physician Antistius conducted the past
mortem and came to
> the conclusion that none of wounds had been mortal except the
second one, in
> the chest.
>
>
> Some of his friends suspected that, having no desire to live much
> longer because of his declining health, he had taken no precautions
> against the conspiracy, and neglected the warnings of soothsayers
> and well-wishers. It his also been suggested that he placed such
> confidence in the Senate's last decree and in their oath of loyalty,
> that he dispensed even with the armed Spaniards who had up to then
> acted as his escort. A contrary view is that as a relief from taking
> constant precautions, he deliberately exposed himself; just this
> once, to all the plots against his life which he knew had been
> formed.
> Also, he is quoted as having often said: 'It is more important for
Rome
> than for myself that I should survive. I have long been sated with
power and
> glory; but, should anything happen to me, Rome will enjoy no peace.
> A new Civil War will break out under far worse conditions than the
last.'
>
> Almost all authorities agree on one thing, that he more or less
> welcomed the manner of his death. He had once read in Xenophon's
> Boyhood of Cyrus (II) the paragraph about the funeral instructions
given
> by Cyrus on his deathbed, and said how much he loathed the prospect
> of a lingering end he wanted a sudden one. And on the day before his
> murder he had dined at Marcus Lepidus' house, where the topic
> discussed happened to be 'the best sort of death' and 'Let it come
> quickly and unexpectedly,' so cried Caesar.
> He was fifty-five years old when be died, and his immediate
> dedication, formally decreed, was more than a mere official decree
> since it reflected public conviction; if only because, on the first
> day of the Games given by his successor Augustus in honor of this
> apotheosis, a comet appeared about an hour before sunset and shone
for
> seven days running. This was held to be his Soul, elevated to
> Heaven; hence the star, which now placed above the forehead of his
divine
> image.
> The Senate voted that the Assembly Hall where he fell should be
> walled up; that the Ides should be known ever afterwards as
> 'The Day of Parricide'; and that a meeting of the Senate should
> never take place on it ever again.
> Very few, indeed, of the assassins outlived Caesar for more than
> three years, or died naturally. All were condemned, and all
perished
> different ways: some in shipwreck, some in battle, some using
> the very weapons with which they had murdered Caesar to end their
own
> lives.
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21467 From: Steve Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Sounds like a cool book. A friend just lent me something about how
there is actually very little evidence of the existence of Jesus. No
offense to any Christians out there, but why would the Romans have
persecuted Christians when they never persecuted any other group on
religious grounds? And, as the Romans kept excellent records, why
isn't there any record of Jesus in them? It is possible that
Christianity was an offshoot of one of the various mystery schools
and that it may not have completely congealed into the religion that
we know today until the Council of Nicea in the 4th century, which
was sponsored by Constantine. It may have been his way of
consolodating his power. As the Religio was fracturing, he may have
thought that he could get everyone back on the same page if they
venerated him as Jehova's number one boy on Planet Earth. Who knows?
I always found a lot of holes in Christian and Biblical history (Not
unlike the holes in what I just proposed...). Just a discussion
topic. No hate mail, please! I went to Catholic schools for 12 years,
so I'm a very nice Catholic (Very lapsed.) boy!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Ambrosius Celetrus
<Aulus.Ambrosius.Celetrus@a...> wrote:
> Salve Galeri Pauline,
>
> Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > I wonder what it would have been like if he had lived. Would he
have
> > establish a monarchy like his grand-nephew or something different.
>
> Sorry I can't help you specifically, but you might enjoy
>
> "What If?: The World's Foremost Military Historians Imagine What
Might
> Have Been," by Robert Cowley (Editor), et al (Paperback - September
> 2000).
>
> I'm afraid it doesn't talk about Caesar, though. Volume II,
published in
> 2001, does ask, among other things, "what if Octavian was defeated
at
> Actium?," "what if Pontius Pilate had not crucified Jesus?," and my
> favorite "what if the Chinese had discovered America?"
>
> Vale
>
> Ambrosius Celetrus
> EX ORIENTE Lux||EX OCCIDENTE LEX
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21468 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <lucius0junius0brutus@y...>
wrote:

"...there is actually very little evidence of the existence of Jesus.
No offense to any Christians out there"

Sure not!!! Who would fell offended by saying their god doesn´t
exist?!! I don´t see nothing to be offended!!! You see?! Sure not, no
one see!!! >:(

"I always found a lot of holes in Christian and Biblical history (Not
unlike the holes in what I just proposed...). "

Congratulations! So, don´t forget to keep them to yourself!

"Just a discussion topic."

No problem at all. When you find a list of people interested on this
subject, you can discuss it until be satisfied!

And may Respect and Concordia have mercy of us all!

Vale bene,
Faustus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <lucius0junius0brutus@y...>
wrote:
> Sounds like a cool book. A friend just lent me something about how
> there is actually very little evidence of the existence of Jesus.
No
> offense to any Christians out there, but why would the Romans have
> persecuted Christians when they never persecuted any other group on
> religious grounds? And, as the Romans kept excellent records, why
> isn't there any record of Jesus in them? It is possible that
> Christianity was an offshoot of one of the various mystery schools
> and that it may not have completely congealed into the religion
that
> we know today until the Council of Nicea in the 4th century, which
> was sponsored by Constantine. It may have been his way of
> consolodating his power. As the Religio was fracturing, he may have
> thought that he could get everyone back on the same page if they
> venerated him as Jehova's number one boy on Planet Earth. Who
knows?
> I always found a lot of holes in Christian and Biblical history
(Not
> unlike the holes in what I just proposed...). Just a discussion
> topic. No hate mail, please! I went to Catholic schools for 12
years,
> so I'm a very nice Catholic (Very lapsed.) boy!
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Ambrosius Celetrus
> <Aulus.Ambrosius.Celetrus@a...> wrote:
> > Salve Galeri Pauline,
> >
> > Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > > I wonder what it would have been like if he had lived. Would he
> have
> > > establish a monarchy like his grand-nephew or something
different.
> >
> > Sorry I can't help you specifically, but you might enjoy
> >
> > "What If?: The World's Foremost Military Historians Imagine What
> Might
> > Have Been," by Robert Cowley (Editor), et al (Paperback -
September
> > 2000).
> >
> > I'm afraid it doesn't talk about Caesar, though. Volume II,
> published in
> > 2001, does ask, among other things, "what if Octavian was
defeated
> at
> > Actium?," "what if Pontius Pilate had not crucified Jesus?," and
my
> > favorite "what if the Chinese had discovered America?"
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Ambrosius Celetrus
> > EX ORIENTE Lux||EX OCCIDENTE LEX
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21469 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
>
> Sure not!!! Who would fell offended by saying their god doesn´t
> exist?!! I don´t see nothing to be offended!!! You see?! Sure not,
no
>

Salvete omnes;
this is for our new & newer cives; want to talk micronational
politics, religion, money, etc...go to the BackAlley, that is the NR
unofficial forum for such things
WARNING!: not for the faint of heart or easily offended;-
valete Sep. Fabia Vera Fausta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21470 From: Caius Minucius Scaevola Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Salve, Lucius Arminius Faustus; salve, Steve.

On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 07:44:39PM -0000, Lucius Arminius Faustus wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Steve" <lucius0junius0brutus@y...>
> wrote:
>
> "...there is actually very little evidence of the existence of Jesus.
> No offense to any Christians out there"
>
> Sure not!!! Who would fell offended by saying their god doesn´t
> exist?!! I don´t see nothing to be offended!!! You see?! Sure not, no
> one see!!! >:(
>
> "I always found a lot of holes in Christian and Biblical history (Not
> unlike the holes in what I just proposed...). "
>
> Congratulations! So, don´t forget to keep them to yourself!
>
> "Just a discussion topic."
>
> No problem at all. When you find a list of people interested on this
> subject, you can discuss it until be satisfied!
>
> And may Respect and Concordia have mercy of us all!

Indeed. Steve, I would _strongly_ suggest that you reconsider - several
times over, perhaps - the "topics" that you propose for discussion in
this forum. Attacking the core principles of someone's religion - and
saying "no offense" does not magically make it true - and proposing that
a monarchy "may not be a bad thing" in a group that is trying to
recreate *Republican* Roma with its hatred of kings are not things that
will result in rational discourse. They may, and usually do, result in
flames.

There's an excellent reason for the Usenet standard of reading a group
for a minimum of two weeks before posting, and learning what the
incendiary topics - besides the universal "guns, rape, and religion"
topics - may be. You, sir, are treading in dangerous waters.


Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=o0o=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=o0o=-=-=-=-=-
Duo cum faciunt idem, non est idem.
When two do the same thing, it isn't the same (i.e. one can get away with doing
something while another cannot).
-- Terence, "Adelphoe". Cf. "quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21471 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Re: Question about provinciae magistratures
---
May the gods favor you Senator, I am writing you offlist without
further ado!
optime vale
Septima Fabia Vera Fausta
Propraetrix Hiberniae




In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "FAC" <sacro_barese_impero@l...> wrote:
> Salvete,
> yes, the propraetores are vox in deserto bu you can't be worried,
> it's not a requirement of a governor ;-)
> When I was appointed Propraetor Italiae, we were 4 active citizens
> in a province with 65 citizens without infrastructures, ideas and
> contacts. NR was totally unknow in Italy.
> With the precious help by Manius Constantinus Serapio, we started
> a "citizens-raising" contactin universities, the historical local
> groups, the most important re-enactors, the associations and other
> italian websites about Antiqua Roma. And we created a big and rich
> website and an iper-active list, And we planned several real and
> virtual projects involving the highest number of citizens.
> The secret is the passion and the promotion of this passion. More
> people will be involved in this passion, more active citizens will
> arrive to you.
> I would be very proud to help the new propraetores with little
> suggestions about the organization of the own provinciae.
> Good luck!
>
> Valete
> Fr. Apulus Caesar
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
> <lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> > Salve,
> >
> > Yes, yes... proselitism. NR needs deseperately new citizens...
and
> > discover a way of keeping them as well... :)
> >
> > How?
> >
> > Vale bene,
> > L. Arminius Faustus TRP
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sep. Fabia Vera"
> <rory12001@y...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks. But I am worried. Propraetores of NR are really ´Vox
> > > > clamantis in deserto´. So much to do and... so few
citizens...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Vale bene,
> > > > L. Arminius Faustus TRP
> > >
> > >
> > > Salve Luci Armini;
> > >
> > > Many congratulations to you, and I know what you mean. I've
> just
> > > joined the Sodalitas Egressum for ideas and I do have one civis
> > who's
> > > keen to start a legion.
> > > Have you thought about luring future cives with that nifty
> fried
> > > dormice recipe from G. Minucius Hadrianus's new book
suggestion;-
> )
> > > bene vale in pace deorum
> > > Fausta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21472 From: Steve Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Please read the words, not the hidden assumptions behind them.
This is the text of a private email concerning my last post. I lay it
out here for all to see. Please do not charge any of my words with
political intent. I endeavor to use my words very specifically to
avoid misinterpretation. Obviously, I have failed, and for that, I
apologize. My understanding was always that people should feel free
to discuss anything they wish without fear of reprisal. Please
understand that I was not attacking anyone. If you read the post in
question there was never any talk at all about the issue of anyone's
faith. I was speaking about the historical aspects of a human who is
reputed to have existed. See? This is how these things get out of
hand. If it had been anyone else that I had brought into question,
then none of this would have happened. In the below note we discuss
the difference between faith and history. It is established that one
can have faith without there ever needing to have been any sort of
person or institution stretching back to antiquity. Faith is a
personal thing and I have always respected that. Also, if you read
the post, I do not state that any of the things I had written were
carved in stone. Actually, that's what I was trying to raise. The
concept that none of this is carved in stone. Discourse.
Conversation. Not offense. Your faith is secure, as is mine. We're
all on the same side here. Let's stop shooting at each other.

I've obviously hit a nerve. Not my intent. I'm asking you to take a
step back, as a friend, because I would sincerely like us to be that.
You genuinely seem to be a very nice and very decent sort. My
heartfelt apologies if I have offended you. That is never what I
want. I understand the fundamental uselessness of any of the alleged
(And I'm using that word in it's literal sense, without politically
charged value.) Earth-based personas of whatever cosmic force or
forces that may or may not exist. If these people have or will ever
exist, then they have done so or will do so to bring man into better
alignment with the aforementioned forces/dieties. At least that is
what most of the world's scriptures seem to point towards. So, I
share your not caring about the historical accuracy of, in this case,
Jesus. I wasn't attacking anyone's beliefs. I was addressing the
historical accuracy of the man. Nothing more. Whether or not Lao Tzu,
Jesus, Ishtar, etc. exist in a tangible way in our space/time is, as
you say, irrelevant, but it is a hearty topic for discourse. A free
society should go to great lengths to clear away stupid ideas such
as "political correctness," which just entrench people instead of
inviting the cross fertilization vital to a healthy society that can
only happen by the free exchange of opinions, ideas and beliefs. This
is all that I have ever tried to do in any of the areas of my life.
Sometimes I am successful and sometimes I walk away quietly upon
realizing that doors have been closed and will never be opened again.
I'm tired of walking, so let's open some doors to let the fresh air
in and sit down as friends and have a drink. I'm buying! I understand
the Guiness is pouring especially well this evening.

Peace?
Lucius

Thank you.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21473 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Re: Please read the words, not the hidden assumptions behind them.
You are the one who is not conversant with Nova Roma, and believe
me Scaevola is more than aware of the intent of what you write.
It is your job to look, listen and learn as all of us did as new
cives. We have lists for everything and this is not the list for your
type of discussion.
Go to the BA, or the Jewish Sodalitas, not the ML
vale Sep. Fabia Vera Fausta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21474 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Propraetorship of Nova Britannia
G. Lanius Falco S.P.D.

Salvete, Quirites

I wish to publicly express my gratitude to the Senate of Nova Roma for
approving my appointment as Propraetor of Nova Britannia last Thursday. May that
vote of confidence inspire me to provide the kind of excellent leadership our
province has had in the past.

My heartfelt congratulations to all the new Propraetors who were appointed
last week - may your provinces continue to grow and prosper throughout your term
of office. Permit me to mention by name my cousin, Quintus Lanius Paulinus,
on his appointment as Propraetor of Canada Occidentalis - way to go, Quinte!

Last, a special thanks for the guidance, camaraderie, and endorsement of C.
Minucius Hadrianus, the first citizen of Nova Roma I met two years ago. I hope
we enjoy many more meetings together, amice!

Valete,

G. Lanius Falco
**************************
"Magna est veritas et praevalebit"


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21475 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Oath of office
G. Lanius Falco S.P.D.

Salvete, Quirites


Ego, Gaius Lanius Falco (Vince Yurkunas), hoc ipso facto sollemniter IVRO
Novae
Romae decus defendere et semper pro Novae Romae Populo atque Senatu agere.

Ut Novae Romae magistratus ego, Gaius Lanius Falco (Vince Yurkunas), Romae
deos deasque colere IVRO in
omnibus publicae vitae temporibus atque Romanas virtutes et ublica et privata
vita
persequi.

Ego, Gaius Lanius Falco (Vince Yurkunas), Romanam religionem favere et
defendere IVRO ut Novae Romae Reipublicae religionem et numquam agere ita ut eius
status publicae religionis aliquid detrimenti capiat.

Praeterea ego, Gaius Lanius Falco (Vince Yurkunas) IVRO quam optime fungi
officium muneris Propraetor Nova Britannia meum Novae Romae civis honore et coram
Populi Romani deis atque deabus et eorum voluntate et favore, munus rogatoris
ACCIPIO una cum iuribus, privilegiis. munera atque officia quae meum munus
comportat.

******************************************************************************
*********************

I, Gaius Lanius Falco (Vince Yurkunas), do hereby solemnly swear to uphold
the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people
and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Lanius Falco (Vince Yurkunas), swear
to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue
the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Gaius Lanius Falco (Vince Yurkunas), swear to uphold and defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way
that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Gaius Lanius Falco (Vince Yurkuans) swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gaius Lanius Falco (Vince Yurkunas) further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Propraetor Nova Britannia to the best
of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Propraetor Nova Britannia and all the rights, privileges, obligations,
and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Valete,

G. Lanius Falco

***************************

"Dictis facta suppetant"











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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21476 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
In a message dated 3/16/04 11:38:50 AM Pacific Standard Time,
lucius0junius0brutus@... writes:

> A friend just lent me something about how
> there is actually very little evidence of the existence of Jesus. No
> offense to any Christians out there, but why would the Romans have
> persecuted Christians when they never persecuted any other group on
> religious grounds?

The Christians had two big failings when dealing with the Romans. One, they
refused to pay homage to the Imperial Cult, and they refused to make donations
for temple upkeep, which the Roman Monarchy expected if they accepted your
God, you had to accept the Romans' in quid pro quo.
The Romans came to see Christianity as a "mystery cult" one who practiced
cannibalism and incest. (Christians seemed to also cling to a vale of secrecy,
which didn't help their case either), but once Christianity began to be
practiced openly a lot of the mystery was revealed and the symbolism also understood.

Christians second big failing in Roman eyes was their snobbery, shunning all
religions save theirs, and criticizing everyone else's beliefs.
This alone made people dislike them at first. Rome has always been
cosmopolitan and superstitious. Romans believe in covering all their bases, religion
wise, which explains their interest in others than their own.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21477 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Oath of office (updated version)
G. Lanius Falco S.P.D.

Salvete, Quirites


Ego, Gaius Lanius Falco (Vince Yurkunas) hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me
defensurum/am, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum/am
esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Gaius Lanius Falco (Vince Yurkunas) officio Propraetor Nova Britannia
Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae
temporibus me culturum/am, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita
me persecuturum/am esse IVRO.

Ego Gaius Lanius Falco (Vince Yurkunas) Religioni Romanae me fauturum/am et
eam defensurum/am, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum/am
esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Gaius Lanius Falco (Vince Yurkunas) officiis muneris Propraetor Nova
Britannia me quam optime functurum/am esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Propraetor Nova Britannia una cum
iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.

******************************************************************************
********************

I, Gaius Lanius Falco (Vince Yurkunas), do hereby solemnly swear to uphold
the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people
and the Senate of Nova Roma.


As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Lanius Falco (Vince Yurkunas), swear
to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue
the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Gaius Lanius Falco (Vince Yurkunas), swear to uphold and defend the
Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way
that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Gaius Lanius Falco (Vince Yurkuans) swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gaius Lanius Falco (Vince Yurkunas) further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Propraetor Nova Britannia to the best
of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Propraetor Nova Britannia and all the rights, privileges, obligations,
and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Valete,

G. Lanius Falco

***************************

"Dictis facta suppetant"












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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21478 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Upcoming Roman lecture and museum visit
G. Lanius Falco S.P.D.

Salvete, Quirites

On Saturday, April 24, I will be organizing a trip to Smith College and Mount
Holyoke College in western Massachusetts Regio. At Smith College we will
hear a lecture entitled Rediscovering Boscoreale: Roman Country Villas and Their
Treasures presented by Dr. Bettina Bergmann, Associate Professor of Art, Mount
Holyoke College. The lecture will be at Smith College, Graham Auditorium,
Brown Fine Arts Center; 11:00 AM. Plan to meet early at 10:30 to get
acquainted.

After the lecture we will sample the cuisine at a choice, local restaurant
(exact location to be determined by committee!). Then, we will finish our day
with a tour of the Mount Holyoke College Art Museum, which has a very nice
collection of ancient Roman antiquities.

Hope to see some fellow provincials for this exciting event. If you plan to
attend, please send me an email. By the way, both the lecture and the art
museum are FREE!

Valete,

G. Lanius Falco
******************************************************************************
****
Propraetor Nova Britannia
Praefectus Sodalitas Egressus Provincia Nova Britannia
Scriba Curatoris Differum
Paterfamilias Gens Lania

******************************************************************************
********************
"Aude sapere" - dare to be wise


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21479 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Returned
Salvete Omnes,

I am sorry to have been away from the list for the last several days
but my home computer, vehicle and even my watch were broken down
after my return from the field. Computerwise, thus is the fate to
those who try upgrading from 98 to XP; I ended up having to pretty
well upgrade my whole computer and have XP done in a professional -
like manner but it is now state of the art including XP. I will
spend part of tomorrow updating myself on the list activities. Two
immediate things I wish to address:

1) Spain

I want to let my fellow Spanish Nova Romans that I was sickened and
very sad about what occured this last week. I have always enjoyed
your culture, language and people and you can be rest assured that
the victims are in my prayers and thoughts. My wife and I attended a
beautiful Flamenco dance concert in Edmonton on Sunday. The Master
of Ceremonies said that they had thought of cancelling this concert
but such acts should not be permitted to succeed in spoiling or
ruining such events. The people of Spain can so often cry when they
are happy and laugh when they are sad or grieving so... after a
minute of silence in honour of the victims, the wonderful dance and
music went on. Viva espana!! I'll send a note to our Hispania list
tomorrow.



2) Propraetorship

I wish to thank the Senate for appointing me as Propraetor Of Canada
Occidentalis and those who wished me well in my new office.
I'll go over the mails as mentioned and take the oath of office in
the next day or so.

Meanwhile take care everyone!

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21480 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-16
Subject: Oath Of Office
AVETE OMNES
>
> Ego, Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael J. Kelly), hoc ipso facto
> sollemniter IVRO Novae Romae decus defendere et semper pro Novae
> Romae Populo atque Senatu agere.
>
> Ut Novae Romae magistratus ego, Quintus Lanius Paulinus(Michael J.
> Kelly), Romae deos deasque colere IVRO in omnibus publicae vitae
> temporibus atque Romanas virtutes et ublica et privata vita
> persequi.
>
> Ego, Quintus Lanius Paulinus(Michael J. Kelly), Romanam religionem
> favere et defendere IVRO ut Novae Romae Reipublicae religionem et
> numquam agere ita ut eius status publicae religionis
> aliquid detrimenti capiat.
>
> > Praeterea ego, Quintus Lanius Paulinus(Michael J. Kelly) IVRO
> quam optime fungi officium muneris Propraetor Canadae Occidentalis.
> >
> > Meo Novae Romae civis honore et coram Populi Romani deis atque
> deabus et eorum voluntate et favore, munus Propraetor Canadae
> ACCIPIO una cum iuribus, privilegiis munera atque officia quae
meum
> munus comportat.
>
> In Canada Occidentalis Provincia, ante diem IV Idus Martii
MMDCCLVII a.u.c.
>
> Consulibus Cn. Salice Asturi & Gn. Equitio Marino
>
> --------------------------
>
> I, Quintus Lanius Paulinus(Michael J. Kelly) , do hereby solemnly
> swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the
> best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.
>
> As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
J. Kelly ), swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my
public
> dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and
> private life.
>
> I, Quintus Lanius Paulinus(Michael J. Kelly), swear to uphold and
> defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and
> swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the
> State Religion.
>
> I, Quintus Lanius Paulinus(Michael J. Kelly), swear to protect and
> defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
>
> I, Quintus Lanius Paulinus(Michael J. Kelly) further swear to
> fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of
> Propraetor Canadae Occidentalis to the best of my abilities.
>
> On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
> Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and
favor,
> do I accept the position of Propraetor Canadae Occidentalis and
all the rights,
> privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.
>
> In Italia Provincia, given on ante diem IV Idus Martii MMDCCLVII
> a.u.c.
>
> In the consulship of Cn. Salix Astur and Gn. Equitius Marinus
>
> OPTIME VALETE
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
> Propraetor Of Canada Occidentalis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21481 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: ante diem XVI Kalendae Aprilis
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem XVI Kalendae Aprilis; the day is nesfastus
publicus, the procession of the Argei, the Feria Liberaliae, and the
Feria Agonalia Martiale. According to Varro (_de Lingua Latina_
v.45-54) and Ulpian (Dig. i.8.9.2) there were twenty-seven sacraria
associated with locales in the four Servian regiones of the city which
were visited in order in a lustral procession of the pontifices,
Vestals, and the praetor urbanus, the Proccession of the Argei.
Gellius (x.15.30) and Ovid (_Fasti_ iii.791) indicate that small,
human-like puppets fashioned from bullrushes, called Argei, were
placed in these sacraria (termed Argea) on ante diem XVII and ante
diem XVI Kalendae Aprilis. Varro lists twelve of the sacraria and
their locations by regio (the numbers are keyed to the map in the
files section of the ML):
* Regio Suburana:
4. On the northern slope of the Caelian near the temple of Minerva Capta;
* Regio Equisilina:
1. On the Fagutal, near the modern Via della Polveriera;
3. Just east of the Thermae Traianae;
4. Near the top of the Oppian;
5. At the lucus Poentelius (this site has not yet been located
precisely);
6. Near the top of the southern slope of the Cispius near the temple
of Iuno Lucina;
*Regio Collina:
3. Just east of the temple of Quirinus;
4. Near the temple of Salus and the Domus Attici;
5. Near the temple of Deus Fidius;
6. On the slope above the odern Piazza Magnanapoli;
* Regio Palatina:
5. Near the temple of Romulus on the Ceramus;
6. Near the temple of the Divine Penates (probably near the temple of
Venus and Rome).
The remaining sacraria cannot be located from the sources, although
they have been the matter of considerable conjecture.
On the Idus Maii another solemn procession of the pontifices, Vestals,
and the praetor urbanus retrieved the Argei and threw them into the
Tiber from the Pons Sublicius.

Scholarship suggests that the processions of the Argei were introduced
into Rome from Greek influences between the first and second Punic
Wars, possibly at the suggestion of the Sybilline Books. It is
possible that the sacraria Argeorum were also usesd as depositories of
topographical and property records. The meaning of the Argei
themselvesw is shrouded in mystery, even to the ancient sources.
Dionysius of Halicarnassus (i.19.38) and Ovid (_Fasti_ v.621-662)
ascribes the custom to Hercules substituting puppets of men for human
sacrifices to Saturn, Varro to the ancient settlement of Rome by the
Pelasgians (Varro, _de Lingua Latina_ 45). Plutarch in his
_Quaestiones Romanae_ (No. 32) observes:

"Why is it that in the month of May at the time of the full moon they
throw into the river from the Pons Sublicius figures of men, calling
the images thrown Argives?
"Is it because in ancient days the barbarians who lived in these parts
used to destroy thus the Greeks whom they captured? But Hercules, who
was much admired by them, put an end to their murder of strangers and
taught them to throw figures into the river, in imitation of their
superstitious custom. The men of old used to call all Greeks alike
Argives; unless it be, indeed, since the Arcadians regarded the
Argives also as their enemies because of their immediate proximity,
that, Traditional subsection when Evander and his men [Arcadians] fled
from Greece and settled there, they continued to preserve their
ancient feud and enmity [with the Argives]."

Ovid (_Fasti_ 3.771-7888) writes of the Liberalia:

It remains for me to discover why the toga of freedom may be given
to boys on the day of your light-bearing feast, bright Bacchus;
or because you yourself the boy and the young man always see,
and the middle time between each is yours;
or because you are the father, fathers, their male children as surety,
entrust them to your care and numina;
or, because you are Liber, by clothing also is the free toga through you
taken up and the way of a freer life.
or because when the ancients cultivated the fields eagerly,
and the senator did the work for his homeland,
and the consul took up the fasces from the curved plow,
and it was no crime to have roughened hands,
the rustic people came to the games in the city
(but then honour was given to the Gods, not to popular enthusiasms;
by his light the inventor had the games of the grape,
which now he shares with the touch-bearing Goddess).
Therefore as the crowd can celebrate the novice,
Is this the day seen of the giving of the toga, not foreign garb?

The Liberalia was the day on which young Roman men sixteen years of
age donned the toga virilis and became free citizens of the city.
Varro also reports that aged priests and priestess, wearing garlands
of ivy, carried wine, honey, cakes, and other offferings with a
hand-borne altar through the city, making offerings at regular
intervals in celebration.

On the Feria Agonaliae Martiale a ram was sacrificed to Mars at the
Regia by the Rex Sacrorum.

Tomorrow is ante diem XV Kalendae Aprilis; the day is comitalis.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21482 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Bibiliography of the Roman Army as an Institution
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to the "Bibiliography of the Roman Army as an Institution":

http://jubal9.tripod.com/RomArmyBibliog.html

Compiled by T.R. Hobbs, this bibliography concentrates primarily on
the first and second centuries CE.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21484 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: A call for candidates: New dates
Salve Romans

It has been pointed out to me by the illustrious G. Iulius Scaurus that we would have a religious problem with contio and voting on March 26-27. The Feriae Latinae is a feria conceptiva (it's date has to be set each year and it has to fall between the Quinquatria and the Kalendae Aprilis). All feriae conceptivae are dies religiosi and no non-religious public business can be done during them. The only dates available to the Collegium Pontificum this year for the Feriae Latinae are March 26-28 and the Collegium Pontificum are in the process of voting a decretum establishing these dates for the feria. I would like to thank G. Iulius Scaurus for pointing out this conflict to me.

Therefore I reissue our announcement with these dates in mind.

*****************************************************************************
Ex-Officio Tribunus Plebis Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Quiritibus SPD

Callidius Gracchus is missing in action . Because of a three month absence and no evidence that he ever took the required oath of office,

The Tribunes of the Plebis declare that the Plebeian Aedileship that Callidius Gracchus was elected to ,

to be vacant and we issue a call for candidates for the this office.

The Nova Roma Constitution states that the:
1.. Aediles plebis (Plebeian Aedile). Two plebeian aediles shall be elected by the comitia plebis tributa to serve a term lasting one year. They must both be of the plebeian order and shall have the following honors, powers, and obligations:
2.. To issue those edicta (edicts) necessary to see to the conduct of public games and other festivals and gatherings, to ensure order at public religious events, to see to the maintenance of any real public facilities that the State should acquire, and to administer the law (such edicts being binding upon themselves as well as others);
3.. To pronounce intercessio against another plebeian aedile or magistrate of lesser authority;
4.. To appoint scribae (clerks) to assist with administrative and other tasks, as he shall see fit.
In order to qualify to stand in this election as a candidate a person must be at least 21 years of age, a citizen of Nova Roma for at least six months, be classified by the Censors as Assidui (taxpayer) and be a member of the Plebeian order.

Contio from March 28 to 23:59 PM Roman time on March 30. Voting in the Comitia Plebis Tributa from March 31-April 4 23:59 PM Roman Time. All days of this candidacy declaration period and election are dies comitiales

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Julilla Sempronia Magna
Gaius Modius Athanasius
Tribunus Plebis

Done on this the 17th day of March, 2757 ab urbe condita
In the consulship of Gnaeus Salix Astur and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21485 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Re: Question about provinciae magistratures
Salve, excellent Tribune,

This is a homework I will sure read with deepest attention!

Vale bene,
L. Arminius Faustus, TRP
Propraetor

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "FAC" <sacro_barese_impero@l...>
wrote:
> Salvete,
> yes, the propraetores are vox in deserto bu you can't be worried,
> it's not a requirement of a governor ;-)
> When I was appointed Propraetor Italiae, we were 4 active citizens
> in a province with 65 citizens without infrastructures, ideas and
> contacts. NR was totally unknow in Italy.
> With the precious help by Manius Constantinus Serapio, we started
> a "citizens-raising" contactin universities, the historical local
> groups, the most important re-enactors, the associations and other
> italian websites about Antiqua Roma. And we created a big and rich
> website and an iper-active list, And we planned several real and
> virtual projects involving the highest number of citizens.
> The secret is the passion and the promotion of this passion. More
> people will be involved in this passion, more active citizens will
> arrive to you.
> I would be very proud to help the new propraetores with little
> suggestions about the organization of the own provinciae.
> Good luck!
>
> Valete
> Fr. Apulus Caesar
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
> <lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> > Salve,
> >
> > Yes, yes... proselitism. NR needs deseperately new citizens...
and
> > discover a way of keeping them as well... :)
> >
> > How?
> >
> > Vale bene,
> > L. Arminius Faustus TRP
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sep. Fabia Vera"
> <rory12001@y...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks. But I am worried. Propraetores of NR are really ´Vox
> > > > clamantis in deserto´. So much to do and... so few
citizens...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Vale bene,
> > > > L. Arminius Faustus TRP
> > >
> > >
> > > Salve Luci Armini;
> > >
> > > Many congratulations to you, and I know what you mean. I've
> just
> > > joined the Sodalitas Egressum for ideas and I do have one civis
> > who's
> > > keen to start a legion.
> > > Have you thought about luring future cives with that nifty
> fried
> > > dormice recipe from G. Minucius Hadrianus's new book
suggestion;-
> )
> > > bene vale in pace deorum
> > > Fausta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21486 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Updates and Upgrades
Salve,

Any possibility of updating the jpegs and pdfs of the trifold brochure as
well?

Vale,

Sardonicus


>From: "Lucius Arminius Faustus" <lafaustus@...>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Fwd: Latin Translation of the Oath of Office
>Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:12:13 -0000
>
>Salve omnes,
>
>I deeply admire the will of correcting the Oath of Office.
>
>However I urge that this be upgraded on NR tabularium.
>
>And even put on the following link a note that the correction was
>made:
>
>http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/edicts/consul-1999-09-07.html.la
>
>A citizen, searching on Tabularium, will only see this link as the
>newest version, and problably will use it.
>
>
>Vale bene,
>L. Arminius Faustus TRP
>
>
>
>--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus"
><gawne@c...> wrote:
> > Salvete Quirites,
> >
> > As the new propraetors begin to post their oaths of office, I remind
> > them that this newer Latin translation of the oath was posted back
>in
> > January by my colleague, Consul Salix Astur. Please, if you're
>going
> > to swear your oath in Latin, use this version.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > -- Marinus
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Salix Astur
><salixastur@y...>
> > wrote:
> > Cn. Salix Astur Quiritibus S.P.D.
> >
> > For several years, our magistrates have sworn an oath upon their
> > appointment. This oath is officially defined by the Lex Iunia de
> > Iusiurando:
> > http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/1999-10-19-ii.html
> >
> > Some of our magistrates, in an effort to be closer to our
>forefathers,
> > have sworn a Latin translation of that oath at the same time as the
> > official English oath. Several such translations have circulated.
> >
> > After some comments on this forum about the correctness of one of
>such
> > translations, I asked Flavia Tullia, our resident latinist, to
>provide
> > a translation of the official oath of office that could be
>presented to
> > the public as a possible addendum to that official oath of office.
> >
> > She, with the help of other citizens like Praetor Cn. Octavius
> > Noricus, Aedilis Plebeia Emilia Curia Finnica and Aulus Aenobarbus,
> > has managed to fulfill this petition in a timely and proper manner.
> > Pontifex C. Iulius Scaurus acceded to revise the text and gave his
> > "imprimatur". So here it is:
>
>

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21487 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Salve,

Little evidence for the existence of Jesus?

The Romans weren't persecuting Christians because there was no such thing at
the time. They were persecuting Jews. Think of it from the Roman
perspective. Here we have a quiet and cooperative little province and out
of the blue comes this group of trouble-makers. How do you fix it?

The records of his existence are there. The writings of Luke (who was a
merchant and never met Jesus) and the letters regarding his life from Paul
(a truly wordy fellow) existed. Or, at the very least, I believe they
exist. I am a Pagan and I believe that Jesus lived. I simply don't buy
into the deity thing. As you say, the Council of Nicea deified Jesus
and...well...that was that. Purely politic.

Out of respect for the main list, I'd be more than happy to carry on this
conversation offlist.

Vale,
LCSardonicus


>From: "Steve" <lucius0junius0brutus@...>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
>Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 19:13:40 -0000
>
>Sounds like a cool book. A friend just lent me something about how
>there is actually very little evidence of the existence of Jesus. No
>offense to any Christians out there, but why would the Romans have
>persecuted Christians when they never persecuted any other group on
>religious grounds? And, as the Romans kept excellent records, why
>isn't there any record of Jesus in them? It is possible that
>Christianity was an offshoot of one of the various mystery schools
>and that it may not have completely congealed into the religion that
>we know today until the Council of Nicea in the 4th century, which
>was sponsored by Constantine. It may have been his way of
>consolodating his power. As the Religio was fracturing, he may have
>thought that he could get everyone back on the same page if they
>venerated him as Jehova's number one boy on Planet Earth. Who knows?
>I always found a lot of holes in Christian and Biblical history (Not
>unlike the holes in what I just proposed...). Just a discussion
>topic. No hate mail, please! I went to Catholic schools for 12 years,
>so I'm a very nice Catholic (Very lapsed.) boy!
>
>--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Ambrosius Celetrus
><Aulus.Ambrosius.Celetrus@a...> wrote:
> > Salve Galeri Pauline,
> >
> > Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > > I wonder what it would have been like if he had lived. Would he
>have
> > > establish a monarchy like his grand-nephew or something different.
> >
> > Sorry I can't help you specifically, but you might enjoy
> >
> > "What If?: The World's Foremost Military Historians Imagine What
>Might
> > Have Been," by Robert Cowley (Editor), et al (Paperback - September
> > 2000).
> >
> > I'm afraid it doesn't talk about Caesar, though. Volume II,
>published in
> > 2001, does ask, among other things, "what if Octavian was defeated
>at
> > Actium?," "what if Pontius Pilate had not crucified Jesus?," and my
> > favorite "what if the Chinese had discovered America?"
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Ambrosius Celetrus
> > EX ORIENTE Lux||EX OCCIDENTE LEX
>
>

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21488 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Visiting the Sanctuary of the Magna Mater
M IVL PERVSIANVS AED CVR QVIRITIBVS SPD

avete omnes,

a notice about an important and favorable chance that the Nova Romans
visiting Rome on April 16th could exploit.
This news was already in the last Magna Mater Monthly Bulletin but,
perhaps, some of you has not noticed it, being among many other
information.

----------------------------------------
We are proud, and equally excited to announce that, thanks to our
cooperation with the University of Rome, on Friday April 16 2004,
some Nova Roman citizens and their friends will be able to visit the
South-Western area of the Palatine hill.
This is *very* special, considering that this very area, where the
Sanctuary of the Magna Mater stands, has been closed for years.
Soprintendenza Archeologica di Roma has booked us a visit for a group
(maximun 15 people).

********* IMPORTANT *******
If someone has planned to visit Rome in that day, he can write to the
Aedile Curule Marcus Iulius Perusianus (m_iulius@... -
m_iulius at virgilio dot it) and be with us for the visit.
Of course, it will be a pleasure, if he or she can be also a guest
for the yearly Italian Meeting on 17-18 April, in proximity of the
birthday of Rome.
***************************

The visit is comprehensive of the house of Augustus (two out of three
rooms) and the proximity of the Temple of Victory, the Scala Caci, the
Romulean huts and Clivus Victoriae.

thanks

valete
Marcus Iulius Perusianus
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Aedilis Curulis
Legatus Internis Rebus et Scriba ad historiam Provinciae Italiae
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Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/m_iulius
Italia Provincia: http://italia.novaroma.org
SignaRomanorum: http://italia.novaroma.org/signaromanorum
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21489 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Re: Please read the words, not the hidden assumptions behind them.
Salve,

I'll talk to ya! E-mail me privately and we can discuss such matters at
will...out of the sight and mind of the body politic.

LCSardonicus


>From: "Steve" <lucius0junius0brutus@...>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] Please read the words, not the hidden assumptions
>behind them.
>Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 22:48:06 -0000
>
>This is the text of a private email concerning my last post. I lay it
>out here for all to see. Please do not charge any of my words with
>political intent. I endeavor to use my words very specifically to
>avoid misinterpretation. Obviously, I have failed, and for that, I
>apologize. My understanding was always that people should feel free
>to discuss anything they wish without fear of reprisal. Please
>understand that I was not attacking anyone. If you read the post in
>question there was never any talk at all about the issue of anyone's
>faith. I was speaking about the historical aspects of a human who is
>reputed to have existed. See? This is how these things get out of
>hand. If it had been anyone else that I had brought into question,
>then none of this would have happened. In the below note we discuss
>the difference between faith and history. It is established that one
>can have faith without there ever needing to have been any sort of
>person or institution stretching back to antiquity. Faith is a
>personal thing and I have always respected that. Also, if you read
>the post, I do not state that any of the things I had written were
>carved in stone. Actually, that's what I was trying to raise. The
>concept that none of this is carved in stone. Discourse.
>Conversation. Not offense. Your faith is secure, as is mine. We're
>all on the same side here. Let's stop shooting at each other.
>
>I've obviously hit a nerve. Not my intent. I'm asking you to take a
>step back, as a friend, because I would sincerely like us to be that.
>You genuinely seem to be a very nice and very decent sort. My
>heartfelt apologies if I have offended you. That is never what I
>want. I understand the fundamental uselessness of any of the alleged
>(And I'm using that word in it's literal sense, without politically
>charged value.) Earth-based personas of whatever cosmic force or
>forces that may or may not exist. If these people have or will ever
>exist, then they have done so or will do so to bring man into better
>alignment with the aforementioned forces/dieties. At least that is
>what most of the world's scriptures seem to point towards. So, I
>share your not caring about the historical accuracy of, in this case,
>Jesus. I wasn't attacking anyone's beliefs. I was addressing the
>historical accuracy of the man. Nothing more. Whether or not Lao Tzu,
>Jesus, Ishtar, etc. exist in a tangible way in our space/time is, as
>you say, irrelevant, but it is a hearty topic for discourse. A free
>society should go to great lengths to clear away stupid ideas such
>as "political correctness," which just entrench people instead of
>inviting the cross fertilization vital to a healthy society that can
>only happen by the free exchange of opinions, ideas and beliefs. This
>is all that I have ever tried to do in any of the areas of my life.
>Sometimes I am successful and sometimes I walk away quietly upon
>realizing that doors have been closed and will never be opened again.
>I'm tired of walking, so let's open some doors to let the fresh air
>in and sit down as friends and have a drink. I'm buying! I understand
>the Guiness is pouring especially well this evening.
>
>Peace?
>Lucius
>
>Thank you.
>
>
>

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21490 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Aedilian Fund - Magna Mater Project
M IVL PERVSIANVS AED CVR CONSULIBVS SENATORIBVSQVE SPD

I would like to thank you publicly for having spared such an amount
of money (as seen on the current Budget Worksheet), for the Magna
Mater Project.

Thank you again

Marcus Iulius Perusianus
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21491 From: gaiusnoviodunus Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Gens Nemo. What now?
Salvete omnes,

I've been extremely busy these past year or so and couldn't find much
time for NovaRoma. For some reason, I became assigned to the gens Nemo
(did I miss to register my gens as active or something?). Anyways,
here I am again and hope to be a little bit more active again. What do
I have to do in order to

- have my gens re-activated
or
- be accepted in another gens?

If I remember correctly, our government wanted to get rid of one-man
gentes (which was the case of my gens), so more probably I would have
to get accepted by another gens rather than re-activating my one. In
this case, which gens (plebeian only please) would accept me?

Gratias multas ago,

GaNoFe
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21492 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Re: Gens Nemo. What now?
Salve Gai Novi,

> I've been extremely busy these past year or so and couldn't find much
> time for NovaRoma. For some reason, I became assigned to the gens Nemo
> (did I miss to register my gens as active or something?).

That would be my guess, yes. We had a census last year, and those who
could not be contacted had status changes. If a paterfamilias couldn't
be reached, their gens was declared inactive.

Write to the Censors: Censores@... and explain your
situation. They'll guide you through the process of getting yourself
reestablished.

--
Gn. Equitius Marinus
Consul
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21493 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Re: Updates and Upgrades
Salvete Quirites,

Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus wrote:

> Salve,
>
> Any possibility of updating the jpegs and pdfs of the trifold brochure as
> well?

Indeed there is. My colleague, Consul Astur, has his accensi working on
this and a number of related matters having to do with recruiting and
retention.

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21494 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Taxes
Livia Cornelia Hibernia Quiritibus S.P.D.

As the Quaestor who is tracking tax payments, I have a question that
is primarily directed to the Provincial Governors. The Consular
Edict on taxes states that governors may elect to act as a central
collection point for taxes from the Citizens in their province. To
date we have received only one such payment. If there are other
governors who are collecting taxes for their province, would you
please email me off list? I just want to have some idea of when
large blocks of payments might be expected.

I would like to remind everyone that the tax payment period is half
over. According to the Consular edict, taxes must be paid by the last
day of Aprilis (predie Kal. Mai.) or they will be assesed a 50%
penality.

Gratias tibi ago

Optime Vale
Livia Cornelia Hibernia
Quaestor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21495 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Re: Taxes
Salve Quaestor Livia,

I will post this suggestion on our website as our
previous governor did. This collection of taxes is fine for money
orders or cheques but not for those paying by penpal.

I will be paying by money order since I have had technical glitches
with penpal. (Won't let me change credit cards).

For those of us sending money orders for taxes and donations; do you
have particular instructions and should the envelopes be addressed "
attention to someone?" I noticed my friend Fabia Vera sent her
payment mid February and it has not been posted to her credit. It
took a little chasing for me last year to get my payment posted as
well. Any suggestions?

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Propraetor

Canada Occidentalis.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Livia Cornelia Hibernia"
<livia_cornelia_hibernia@c...> wrote:
> Livia Cornelia Hibernia Quiritibus S.P.D.
>
> As the Quaestor who is tracking tax payments, I have a question
that
> is primarily directed to the Provincial Governors. The Consular
> Edict on taxes states that governors may elect to act as a central
> collection point for taxes from the Citizens in their province. To
> date we have received only one such payment. If there are other
> governors who are collecting taxes for their province, would you
> please email me off list? I just want to have some idea of when
> large blocks of payments might be expected.
>
> I would like to remind everyone that the tax payment period is
half
> over. According to the Consular edict, taxes must be paid by the
last
> day of Aprilis (predie Kal. Mai.) or they will be assesed a 50%
> penality.
>
> Gratias tibi ago
>
> Optime Vale
> Livia Cornelia Hibernia
> Quaestor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21496 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Re: Taxes
Salve,

On most personal checks and money orders there is a line, usually in
the lower left that says something like "For", "Note" or "Memo". On
that line you should indicate what the check is for (tax, donation,
etc.) and your full Roman name.

There are two Citizens with Fabia Vera in their names: Septima Fabia
Vera Fausta and Claudia Fabia Vera. To whom are you referring? (Nota
Bene: this is why it is important to provide your FULL Roman name
when paying taxes.)

Bene Vale
Livia Cornelia Hibernia
Quaestor

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> Salve Quaestor Livia,
>
> I will post this suggestion on our website as our
> previous governor did. This collection of taxes is fine for money
> orders or cheques but not for those paying by penpal.
>
> I will be paying by money order since I have had technical glitches
> with penpal. (Won't let me change credit cards).
>
> For those of us sending money orders for taxes and donations; do
you
> have particular instructions and should the envelopes be
addressed "
> attention to someone?" I noticed my friend Fabia Vera sent her
> payment mid February and it has not been posted to her credit. It
> took a little chasing for me last year to get my payment posted as
> well. Any suggestions?
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
> Propraetor
>
> Canada Occidentalis.
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Livia Cornelia Hibernia"
> <livia_cornelia_hibernia@c...> wrote:
> > Livia Cornelia Hibernia Quiritibus S.P.D.
> >
> > As the Quaestor who is tracking tax payments, I have a question
> that
> > is primarily directed to the Provincial Governors. The Consular
> > Edict on taxes states that governors may elect to act as a
central
> > collection point for taxes from the Citizens in their province.
To
> > date we have received only one such payment. If there are other
> > governors who are collecting taxes for their province, would you
> > please email me off list? I just want to have some idea of when
> > large blocks of payments might be expected.
> >
> > I would like to remind everyone that the tax payment period is
> half
> > over. According to the Consular edict, taxes must be paid by the
> last
> > day of Aprilis (predie Kal. Mai.) or they will be assesed a 50%
> > penality.
> >
> > Gratias tibi ago
> >
> > Optime Vale
> > Livia Cornelia Hibernia
> > Quaestor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21497 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Re: Taxes
Ave Propraetor!
and many congratulations to you, may you increase our great Res
Publica in the great snowy North...
your soror SEP. FABIA VERA FAVSTA
Propraetrix Hiberniae

ps. your email says yr account doesn't exist!


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> Salve Quaestor Livia,
>
> I will post this suggestion on our website as our
> previous governor did. This collection of taxes is fine for money
> orders or cheques but not for those paying by penpal.
>
> I will be paying by money order since I have had technical glitches
> with penpal. (Won't let me change credit cards).
>
> For those of us sending money orders for taxes and donations; do
you
> have particular instructions and should the envelopes be
addressed "
> attention to someone?" I noticed my friend Fabia Vera sent her
> payment mid February and it has not been posted to her credit. It
> took a little chasing for me last year to get my payment posted as
> well. Any suggestions?
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
> Propraetor
>
> Canada Occidentalis.
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Livia Cornelia Hibernia"
> <livia_cornelia_hibernia@c...> wrote:
> > Livia Cornelia Hibernia Quiritibus S.P.D.
> >
> > As the Quaestor who is tracking tax payments, I have a question
> that
> > is primarily directed to the Provincial Governors. The Consular
> > Edict on taxes states that governors may elect to act as a
central
> > collection point for taxes from the Citizens in their province.
To
> > date we have received only one such payment. If there are other
> > governors who are collecting taxes for their province, would you
> > please email me off list? I just want to have some idea of when
> > large blocks of payments might be expected.
> >
> > I would like to remind everyone that the tax payment period is
> half
> > over. According to the Consular edict, taxes must be paid by the
> last
> > day of Aprilis (predie Kal. Mai.) or they will be assesed a 50%
> > penality.
> >
> > Gratias tibi ago
> >
> > Optime Vale
> > Livia Cornelia Hibernia
> > Quaestor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21498 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Re: Taxes
Salvete Fabia et Livia,

Thank you Sep. Fabia for your wishes in my office! I was referring
to this nice lady Sep.Fabia Vera who altered her name a while back
Livia.
Anyway, Livia, thank you for your suggestion to the detail on the
cheque or money order. I'll do just that along with a note.
My email not existing may be a yahoo problem Sep. Fabia. I got your
mail and other letters from Nova Romans today. I t may be a yahoo
problem again.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sep. Fabia Vera" <rory12001@y...>
wrote:
> Ave Propraetor!
> and many congratulations to you, may you increase our great Res
> Publica in the great snowy North...
> your soror SEP. FABIA VERA FAVSTA
> Propraetrix Hiberniae
>
> ps. your email says yr account doesn't exist!
>
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
> Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> > Salve Quaestor Livia,
> >
> > I will post this suggestion on our website as our
> > previous governor did. This collection of taxes is fine for
money
> > orders or cheques but not for those paying by penpal.
> >
> > I will be paying by money order since I have had technical
glitches
> > with penpal. (Won't let me change credit cards).
> >
> > For those of us sending money orders for taxes and donations; do
> you
> > have particular instructions and should the envelopes be
> addressed "
> > attention to someone?" I noticed my friend Fabia Vera sent her
> > payment mid February and it has not been posted to her credit.
It
> > took a little chasing for me last year to get my payment posted
as
> > well. Any suggestions?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Quintus Lanius Paulinus
> >
> > Propraetor
> >
> > Canada Occidentalis.
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Livia Cornelia Hibernia"
> > <livia_cornelia_hibernia@c...> wrote:
> > > Livia Cornelia Hibernia Quiritibus S.P.D.
> > >
> > > As the Quaestor who is tracking tax payments, I have a
question
> > that
> > > is primarily directed to the Provincial Governors. The
Consular
> > > Edict on taxes states that governors may elect to act as a
> central
> > > collection point for taxes from the Citizens in their
province.
> To
> > > date we have received only one such payment. If there are
other
> > > governors who are collecting taxes for their province, would
you
> > > please email me off list? I just want to have some idea of
when
> > > large blocks of payments might be expected.
> > >
> > > I would like to remind everyone that the tax payment period is
> > half
> > > over. According to the Consular edict, taxes must be paid by
the
> > last
> > > day of Aprilis (predie Kal. Mai.) or they will be assesed a
50%
> > > penality.
> > >
> > > Gratias tibi ago
> > >
> > > Optime Vale
> > > Livia Cornelia Hibernia
> > > Quaestor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21499 From: pompeia_cornelia Date: 2004-03-17
Subject: Re: Taxes
---Salvete Quintus Lanius et Alii:

This particular thread has reminded me that I forgot to congratulate
my fellow Canadian on his appointment to the Propraetorship of Canada
Occidentalis...well, I never said I had manners!! :)

SorryQuinte, my best wishes for a successful endeavor as Governor..:)

Look at it this way,Amicus.... Martha Stewart had 'manners' and look
where *she's* going with them, (Po grins while using this as an excuse!!!)


Pompeia


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> Salvete Fabia et Livia,
>
> Thank you Sep. Fabia for your wishes in my office! I was referring
> to this nice lady Sep.Fabia Vera who altered her name a while back
> Livia.
> Anyway, Livia, thank you for your suggestion to the detail on the
> cheque or money order. I'll do just that along with a note.
> My email not existing may be a yahoo problem Sep. Fabia. I got your
> mail and other letters from Nova Romans today. I t may be a yahoo
> problem again.
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sep. Fabia Vera" <rory12001@y...>
> wrote:
> > Ave Propraetor!
> > and many congratulations to you, may you increase our great Res
> > Publica in the great snowy North...
> > your soror SEP. FABIA VERA FAVSTA
> > Propraetrix Hiberniae
> >
> > ps. your email says yr account doesn't exist!
> >
> >
> > In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
> > Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> > > Salve Quaestor Livia,
> > >
> > > I will post this suggestion on our website as our
> > > previous governor did. This collection of taxes is fine for
> money
> > > orders or cheques but not for those paying by penpal.
> > >
> > > I will be paying by money order since I have had technical
> glitches
> > > with penpal. (Won't let me change credit cards).
> > >
> > > For those of us sending money orders for taxes and donations; do
> > you
> > > have particular instructions and should the envelopes be
> > addressed "
> > > attention to someone?" I noticed my friend Fabia Vera sent her
> > > payment mid February and it has not been posted to her credit.
> It
> > > took a little chasing for me last year to get my payment posted
> as
> > > well. Any suggestions?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Quintus Lanius Paulinus
> > >
> > > Propraetor
> > >
> > > Canada Occidentalis.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Livia Cornelia Hibernia"
> > > <livia_cornelia_hibernia@c...> wrote:
> > > > Livia Cornelia Hibernia Quiritibus S.P.D.
> > > >
> > > > As the Quaestor who is tracking tax payments, I have a
> question
> > > that
> > > > is primarily directed to the Provincial Governors. The
> Consular
> > > > Edict on taxes states that governors may elect to act as a
> > central
> > > > collection point for taxes from the Citizens in their
> province.
> > To
> > > > date we have received only one such payment. If there are
> other
> > > > governors who are collecting taxes for their province, would
> you
> > > > please email me off list? I just want to have some idea of
> when
> > > > large blocks of payments might be expected.
> > > >
> > > > I would like to remind everyone that the tax payment period is
> > > half
> > > > over. According to the Consular edict, taxes must be paid by
> the
> > > last
> > > > day of Aprilis (predie Kal. Mai.) or they will be assesed a
> 50%
> > > > penality.
> > > >
> > > > Gratias tibi ago
> > > >
> > > > Optime Vale
> > > > Livia Cornelia Hibernia
> > > > Quaestor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21500 From: Caius Minucius Scaevola Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Re: Please read the words, not the hidden assumptions behind them.
Salve, Steve.

I'm going to assume that you're writing in regard to my email, since
you've failed to quote the text to which you're responding.

On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 10:48:06PM -0000, Steve wrote:
> This is the text of a private email concerning my last post. I lay it
> out here for all to see. Please do not charge any of my words with
> political intent.

[smile] Steve, you're doing the very thing you accuse me of. I didn't
"charge your words with political intent"; what I was pointing out was
that others inevitably would (and later posts from others prove my
point.) If you wish to communicate clearly on the Net, you need to be
_highly_ denotational - sub-context does not exist in a "flat" medium
such as email unless you explicitly put it there (hence, we have
smilies, etc.)

> I endeavor to use my words very specifically to
> avoid misinterpretation. Obviously, I have failed, and for that, I
> apologize.

You certainly do not need to apologize to me, since I took no offense. I
simply saw you heading for a dangerous area (one that is very common to
people new to discussion groups) and wanted to warn you off before
trouble erupted.

> My understanding was always that people should feel free
> to discuss anything they wish without fear of reprisal.

That would be nice. However, I've never heard of an environment in which
everyone was purely objective and hot buttons did not exist, so nice as
the concept might be, it's not realistic. If you start with the basic
premise of "here is a list of things to avoid, since other people might
react badly to them" rather than "well, *I* think that everyone should
X" (for whatever value of X, including "see things as I do"), you'll
have a lot fewer collisions in discussions. Of course, if you _are_
looking for an argument, feel free to ignore the above.

> Please
> understand that I was not attacking anyone.

I'm perfectly willing to accept your word for it.

> If you read the post in
> question there was never any talk at all about the issue of anyone's
> faith. I was speaking about the historical aspects of a human who is
> reputed to have existed.

[sigh] It does not lie within your power to dissociate one from the
other.

The fact of the matter is, if you say something, you're not just
saying the exact words you say. You're saying everything that is made
true by those words. Trying to say that the direct implications of
your words is NOT what you said is dishonest at worst, and foolish at
best.
-- John Palmer, alt.callahans

> In the below note we discuss
> the difference between faith and history. It is established that one
> can have faith without there ever needing to have been any sort of
> person or institution stretching back to antiquity.

Who is this "one", pray tell? Many people's faith _does_ depend on just
such a requirement. Are you saying that they're all wrong?

> Faith is a
> personal thing and I have always respected that. Also, if you read
> the post, I do not state that any of the things I had written were
> carved in stone. Actually, that's what I was trying to raise. The
> concept that none of this is carved in stone. Discourse.
> Conversation. Not offense. Your faith is secure, as is mine. We're
> all on the same side here. Let's stop shooting at each other.

If you're seeing someone shooting at you, better take a quick 360 scan
and duck behind the nearest cover. They're certainly not coming from me.

> I wasn't attacking anyone's beliefs. I was addressing the
> historical accuracy of the man. Nothing more.

Once again, you cannot dissociate one from the other. For many people,
when you question that historical accuracy, you're questioning the basis
of their faith - and *that* is something you do not have the power to
change. Can you see that?

> A free
> society should go to great lengths to clear away stupid ideas such
> as "political correctness," which just entrench people instead of
> inviting the cross fertilization vital to a healthy society that can
> only happen by the free exchange of opinions, ideas and beliefs.

That is a very worthy "should"... but it is a "should", with all the
associated baggage, nonetheless. Meaning to say that this is _not_ the
way things currently are, and acting as though they are is charged with
much trouble and incident.

> I'm tired of walking, so let's open some doors to let the fresh air
> in and sit down as friends and have a drink. I'm buying! I understand
> the Guiness is pouring especially well this evening.
>
> Peace?

Certainly, although I prefer a Young's over a Guinness; I like a beer
that you have to chew to get through. :) As long as we stick to
non-political topics while in the middle of this noisy place, that is.
We can discuss the other things - whatever they may be - out on the back
porch, or wherever most other folks will be free of our conversation.


Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=o0o=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=o0o=-=-=-=-=-
Tamdiu discendum est, quamdiu vivas.
We should learn as long as we may live. (We live and learn.)
-- Seneca Philosophus, "Epistulae"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21501 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Re: Please read the words, not the hidden assumptions behind them.
G. Iulius Scaurus Steve salutem dicit.

Salve, Steve.

You wrote:

>If you read the post in
>question there was never any talk at all about the issue of anyone's
>faith. I was speaking about the historical aspects of a human who is
>reputed to have existed.
>
While I am perfectly prepared to believe that you think these two things
are unrelated, I am not convinced that that is so with respect to
Christianity. Christianity premises itself on the claim that there was
an unique divine-human being named Jesus of Nazareth who was crucified,
died, and rose from the dead at a specific time in human history. Paul
of Tarsus was right when he asserted that Christianity's claim to truth
rests on the historical truth of the crucifixion, death, and
resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. I know that "Jesus as Mythology"
studies were an academic fad in the late 1980's/early 1990's, but most
historians reject that sort of argument today. I have no problem
believing that Jesus of Nazareth existed and was executed by the Roman
authorities, probably with the urging of the Sanhedrin elite who were as
threatened by messianic movements as the Roman administration was. I
don't believe for a moment that Jesus of Nazareth was divine (Athanasian
Christology) or semi-divine (Arian Christology) or divine in a human
guise (Monophysite Christology) -- it strikes me as rather sad that so
much time and blood has been spent in trying to puzzle out how to
explicate what would have appeared to any first-century CE rabbi, as
Jesus was, as an oxymoron -- or that he rose from the dead. It is my
failure to believe in the historicity of those two claims which
defintively define me as a non-Christian. The way Christianity defines
itself is inseparable from its historical claims.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus

>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21502 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: ante diem XV Kalendae Aprilis
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem XV Kalendae Aprilis; the day is comitalis.

Tomorrow is ante diem XIV Kalendae Aprilis; the day is nefastus
publicus and the Feria Quinquatriae. Ovid says of the first day of the
Quinquatria (_Fasti_ 3.809-12):

After the interval of a day, and the sacra of Minerva occur,
and they have their name from the number of days they last.
The first day is free from blood, nor is it lawful to fight with iron;
the reason: because that is the birthday of Minerva.

Ludi scaenici, theatrical performances, were also held on the first
day of the Quinquatria to honour Minerva as the patroness of poetry
and art.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21503 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Vindolanda Tablets Online
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to the "Vindolanda Tablets Online":

http://vindolanda.csad.ox.ac.uk/tablets/index.shtml

This site, which provides a database of the tablets with images of 456
tablets, an online edition of Alan Bowman and David Thomas, _The
Vindolanda Writing Tablets (Tabulae Vindolandenses II)_ (London:
British Museum Press, 1994), and an extensive bibliography is an
archetype of how archaeological material should be presented in a form
useful to both a specialist and general audience. It is difficult to
overstate the importance of this site for any student of Roman Britain.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21504 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Re: Updates and Upgrades
Salve Consul Marinus,

Is this in collaboration with the Egressus Sodalitas? I'm simply bringing
this up as I am a new member of Egressus and it is not my intention to step
on any toes.

Vale,
LCSardonicus


>From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Updates and Upgrades
>Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:47:40 -0500
>
>Salvete Quirites,
>
>Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus wrote:
>
> > Salve,
> >
> > Any possibility of updating the jpegs and pdfs of the trifold brochure
>as
> > well?
>
>Indeed there is. My colleague, Consul Astur, has his accensi working on
>this and a number of related matters having to do with recruiting and
>retention.
>
>-- Marinus
>

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21505 From: Octavia Ulpia Terentina Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Re: Returned
Salve Quintus!
Congratulation for your propraetorship!

Vale bene,
Octavia

"Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@...> wrote:
Salvete Omnes,

I am sorry to have been away from the list for the last several days
but my home computer, vehicle and even my watch were broken down
after my return from the field. Computerwise, thus is the fate to
those who try upgrading from 98 to XP; I ended up having to pretty
well upgrade my whole computer and have XP done in a professional -
like manner but it is now state of the art including XP. I will
spend part of tomorrow updating myself on the list activities. Two
immediate things I wish to address:

1) Spain

I want to let my fellow Spanish Nova Romans that I was sickened and
very sad about what occured this last week. I have always enjoyed
your culture, language and people and you can be rest assured that
the victims are in my prayers and thoughts. My wife and I attended a
beautiful Flamenco dance concert in Edmonton on Sunday. The Master
of Ceremonies said that they had thought of cancelling this concert
but such acts should not be permitted to succeed in spoiling or
ruining such events. The people of Spain can so often cry when they
are happy and laugh when they are sad or grieving so... after a
minute of silence in honour of the victims, the wonderful dance and
music went on. Viva espana!! I'll send a note to our Hispania list
tomorrow.



2) Propraetorship

I wish to thank the Senate for appointing me as Propraetor Of Canada
Occidentalis and those who wished me well in my new office.
I'll go over the mails as mentioned and take the oath of office in
the next day or so.

Meanwhile take care everyone!

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21506 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Journey in NJ
SALVETE OMNES

In a couple of week I'm going to leave Italia for one month; I'll be
in New Jersey (Provincia Mediatlantica, I guess) for work.

If possible, I'd like to meet someone of you: who is living there?
I do not know wich places I will visit, I just know I'm going to
travel all around New Jersey in this time!

Let me know!

BENE VALETE
L IUL SULLA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21507 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Re: Returned
Salvete Octavia et Pomponia et Sep.Fabia Vera ,

Thank you both for our kind words and you can be sure I will work to
build and strengthen our province.

All our citizens are more than welcome to join our Canada
Occidentalis group and your ideas and suggestions are more than
welcome; the doors are always open there:



http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NOVAROMACANADAOCCIDENTALIS/?
yguid=115252440


All the best!

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Propraetor Canada Occidentalis



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Octavia Ulpia Terentina
<terentina2003@y...> wrote:
> Salve Quintus!
> Congratulation for your propraetorship!
>
> Vale bene,
> Octavia
>
> "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> I am sorry to have been away from the list for the last several
days
> but my home computer, vehicle and even my watch were broken down
> after my return from the field. Computerwise, thus is the fate to
> those who try upgrading from 98 to XP; I ended up having to pretty
> well upgrade my whole computer and have XP done in a professional -

> like manner but it is now state of the art including XP. I will
> spend part of tomorrow updating myself on the list activities. Two
> immediate things I wish to address:
>
> 1) Spain
>
> I want to let my fellow Spanish Nova Romans that I was sickened
and
> very sad about what occured this last week. I have always enjoyed
> your culture, language and people and you can be rest assured that
> the victims are in my prayers and thoughts. My wife and I attended
a
> beautiful Flamenco dance concert in Edmonton on Sunday. The Master
> of Ceremonies said that they had thought of cancelling this
concert
> but such acts should not be permitted to succeed in spoiling or
> ruining such events. The people of Spain can so often cry when
they
> are happy and laugh when they are sad or grieving so... after a
> minute of silence in honour of the victims, the wonderful dance
and
> music went on. Viva espana!! I'll send a note to our Hispania list
> tomorrow.
>
>
>
> 2) Propraetorship
>
> I wish to thank the Senate for appointing me as Propraetor Of
Canada
> Occidentalis and those who wished me well in my new office.
> I'll go over the mails as mentioned and take the oath of office in
> the next day or so.
>
> Meanwhile take care everyone!
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21508 From: Horatia Minucia Tiberia Caesar Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: tax inquiry
Salvete omnes --

I am wondering when we will find out if our tax payments were
received. I sent mine in at the end of February and the check has not
yet cleared. Who could I email to find out if my payment was received?

gratias vobis ago,

Horatia Minucia Tiberia Caesar

Scriba Propraetoris
Scriba Sodalitatis Musarum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21509 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
A. Apollonius Cordus to Steve, and to all his
fellow-citizens and peregrines, greetings.

I hope you're well; I'm well.

First, a process point: I believe that when faced with
a potentially controversial and emotive statement it
is far better to address it with tact, seriousness and
rational argument than to try to persuade it to go
away. I also believe that a discussion of the
historical evidence regarding an important figure in
the Roman world is perfectly appropriate for this
forum and need cause no problems so long as we all
keep our heads.

Having said that, I'm not the best person to conduct
such a discussion, since the history of Judaea under
the Julio-Claudians is not my speciality. However,
here are a few items:

The 'Jewish Antiquities' of Flavius Josephus, a Jewish
historian of the Favian period, contains the following
passage (translation from Perseus):

"Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if
it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of
wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the
truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of
the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the]
Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the
principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the
cross, those that loved him at the first did not
forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the
third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these
and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning
him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him,
are not extinct at this day."

This passage is so clearly pro-Christian that one
suspects that it may have been inserted into the
manuscript by later Christian copyists. However, it
seems that the late Roman Christian theologian Origen
had a copy of Josephus which mentioned Jesus but
denied, or at least did not say, that Jesus was the
messiah, so it may be that within this passage is a
genuine core which notes the existence of Jesus.

Another passage in the 'Jewish Antiquities' refers to
"the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose
name was James". This, again, could perhaps be an
interpolation, but it is sufficiently neutral and
brief not to arouse serious suspicion, and it's hard
to see what any interpolator would hope to achieve by
it.

Tacitus' 'Annals', written later than Josephus, says:

"Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered
the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at
the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus,
and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for
the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the
first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all
things hideous and shameful from every part of the
world find their centre and become popular."

This hostile reference is unlikely to be an
interpolation by Christians. Tacitus is normally very
reliable, though it is always possible that he was
sloppy on this occasion and used an unreliable source;
nonetheless this is fairly strong evidence.

It must also be said that the books of the new
testament, though not historically reliable down to
the smallest detail, are by normal standards
acceptable evidence for the existence of Jesus.
Current research strongly suggests that the gospels
existed substantially in their present form within the
lifetime of people who were young in the 30s AD: there
would therefore have been people alive who could, and
probably would, have blown the whole charade if it had
been a charade.

It is always possible to create conspiracy theories
regarding the past, because it is always possible that
a given bit of historical evidence is a clever and
elaborate forgery. The historian must maintain a
sceptical but fundamentally trusting attitude towards
sources: he or she will normally accept a statement
unless the person making it is known to be generally
unreliable, or that person cannot possibly have had
access to the information in question, or that person
had some known motive for distorting or falsifying
evidence, or the statement is contradicted by another
source or is in itself implausible. According to such
tests, Jesus probably did exist, and most historians
would accept his existence.

Sources:

Josephus
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0146;query=whiston%20chapter%3D%23255;layout=;loc=20.148
and
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0146;query=whiston%20chapter%3D%23231;layout=;loc=18.26

Tacitus
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.02.0078&layout=&loc=15.44





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21510 From: sabina_equitia_doris Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Salvete Omnes,

There is a Yahoo Group entitled JesusMysteries which deals with the
historicity (or lack thereof) of the Galilean mystic. Debate there
is learned and generally well annotated. It is a scholarly forum,
with stringent guidelines for posting. Ancient sources are at
issue, not matters of faith.

--Sabina Equitia Doris

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"
<a_apollonius_cordus@y...> wrote:
> A. Apollonius Cordus to Steve, and to all his
> fellow-citizens and peregrines, greetings.
>
> I hope you're well; I'm well.
>
> First, a process point: I believe that when faced with
> a potentially controversial and emotive statement it
> is far better to address it with tact, seriousness and
> rational argument than to try to persuade it to go
> away. I also believe that a discussion of the
> historical evidence regarding an important figure in
> the Roman world is perfectly appropriate for this
> forum and need cause no problems so long as we all
> keep our heads.
>
> Having said that, I'm not the best person to conduct
> such a discussion, since the history of Judaea under
> the Julio-Claudians is not my speciality. However,
> here are a few items:
>
> The 'Jewish Antiquities' of Flavius Josephus, a Jewish
> historian of the Favian period, contains the following
> passage (translation from Perseus):
>
> "Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if
> it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of
> wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the
> truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of
> the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the]
> Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the
> principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the
> cross, those that loved him at the first did not
> forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the
> third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these
> and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning
> him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him,
> are not extinct at this day."
>
> This passage is so clearly pro-Christian that one
> suspects that it may have been inserted into the
> manuscript by later Christian copyists. However, it
> seems that the late Roman Christian theologian Origen
> had a copy of Josephus which mentioned Jesus but
> denied, or at least did not say, that Jesus was the
> messiah, so it may be that within this passage is a
> genuine core which notes the existence of Jesus.
>
> Another passage in the 'Jewish Antiquities' refers to
> "the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose
> name was James". This, again, could perhaps be an
> interpolation, but it is sufficiently neutral and
> brief not to arouse serious suspicion, and it's hard
> to see what any interpolator would hope to achieve by
> it.
>
> Tacitus' 'Annals', written later than Josephus, says:
>
> "Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered
> the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at
> the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus,
> and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for
> the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the
> first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all
> things hideous and shameful from every part of the
> world find their centre and become popular."
>
> This hostile reference is unlikely to be an
> interpolation by Christians. Tacitus is normally very
> reliable, though it is always possible that he was
> sloppy on this occasion and used an unreliable source;
> nonetheless this is fairly strong evidence.
>
> It must also be said that the books of the new
> testament, though not historically reliable down to
> the smallest detail, are by normal standards
> acceptable evidence for the existence of Jesus.
> Current research strongly suggests that the gospels
> existed substantially in their present form within the
> lifetime of people who were young in the 30s AD: there
> would therefore have been people alive who could, and
> probably would, have blown the whole charade if it had
> been a charade.
>
> It is always possible to create conspiracy theories
> regarding the past, because it is always possible that
> a given bit of historical evidence is a clever and
> elaborate forgery. The historian must maintain a
> sceptical but fundamentally trusting attitude towards
> sources: he or she will normally accept a statement
> unless the person making it is known to be generally
> unreliable, or that person cannot possibly have had
> access to the information in question, or that person
> had some known motive for distorting or falsifying
> evidence, or the statement is contradicted by another
> source or is in itself implausible. According to such
> tests, Jesus probably did exist, and most historians
> would accept his existence.
>
> Sources:
>
> Josephus
> http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%
3A1999.01.0146;query=whiston%20chapter%3D%23255;layout=;loc=20.148
> and
> http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%
3A1999.01.0146;query=whiston%20chapter%3D%23231;layout=;loc=18.26
>
> Tacitus
> http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%
3A1999.02.0078&layout=&loc=15.44
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21511 From: KECTAM@aol.com Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Tax Payment Information
Salvete Omnes,

I admit to being a bit stupid, but I can't locate information about tax
payments on the main NR website. Last year I paid in UK currency locally but,
unfortunately, there are no facilities for doing that this year. Would someone be
kind enough to indicate how much the tax is this year, which methods of
payment are acceptable, and to where it should be sent. Alternatively, if the
information is on the website, please would someone say where! Apologies for
being a bother.

Valete et multas gratias,

Placidia Prisca


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21512 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Re: tax inquiry
Salve

If you sent a check via snail-mail to the P.O. Box in Maine, then
that would be Patricia Cassia who would check the mail box and then
send me the information on who has paid so that I can update their
citizen status.

I'm on a different system right now, so I can't check the last list
which she sent to me, but I will do so tonight. However, your name
doesn't ring a bell from the last list.

Bene Vale
Livia Cornelia Hibernia
Quaestor

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Horatia Minucia Tiberia Caesar"
<theladysabine@h...> wrote:
> Salvete omnes --
>
> I am wondering when we will find out if our tax payments were
> received. I sent mine in at the end of February and the check has
not
> yet cleared. Who could I email to find out if my payment was
received?
>
> gratias vobis ago,
>
> Horatia Minucia Tiberia Caesar
>
> Scriba Propraetoris
> Scriba Sodalitatis Musarum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21513 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Re: Tax Payment Information
Salve

The tax edict was issued by the Consuls on February 1, 2004. It was
message number 20352 on the Main NR list.

The tax for Citizens in Provincia Britannia in the UK is 9.00 GB
Pounds or 9.09 US Dollars. It can be paid on-line via PayPal.com, by
check to the P.O. Box or to your provincial governor if he/she is
collecting tax centrally for the province. If you send a check via
snail-mail, then please read the Edict for the address and any
special instructions for checks drawn on foreign banks or
International Money Orders.

Bene Vale
Livia Cornelia Hibernia
Quaestor


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, KECTAM@a... wrote:
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> I admit to being a bit stupid, but I can't locate information about
tax
> payments on the main NR website. Last year I paid in UK currency
locally but,
> unfortunately, there are no facilities for doing that this year.
Would someone be
> kind enough to indicate how much the tax is this year, which
methods of
> payment are acceptable, and to where it should be sent.
Alternatively, if the
> information is on the website, please would someone say where!
Apologies for
> being a bother.
>
> Valete et multas gratias,
>
> Placidia Prisca
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21514 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Repost: EDICTUM VECTIGALE -- Tax Edictum for 2757 auc (2004 ce)]
Salvete Quirites,

Given the number of questions about this year's taxes, I'm reposting the
tax edictum. Please read it if you have any questions about the tax
rates or processes for this year.

Note that the paragraphs alternate between Latin and English. If you
don't read Latin that's fine. Everything is repeated in English.

Valete,

-- Gn. Equitius Marinus

-------- Original Message --------

Ex Officio Consulis Gnaei Equiti Marini

EDICTVM CONSVLARE A GNAEO EQVITIO MARINO II: EDICTVM VECTIGALE

Secundum Senatus consultum mense Novembre anno MMDCCLV A.V.C. iussum,
<http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2002-11-09-results.html>,
pretium vectigalium anno MMDCCLVII ex hoc statuo.

Pursuant to the Senatus consultum passed in November of 2755 auc,
<http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2002-11-09-results.html>
I hereby establish the tax rates for 2757.

I. Pretia vectigalium anno MMDCCLVII secundum aestimationes in tabula
comitanti constituta sunt. Patriae in provinciis exstantibus sitae
secundum provinciarum ordinem primo scribuntur; patriae sine provinciis
secundum litterarum nominum ordinem sequuntur.

1. Tax rates for 2757 are set according to the values in the following
table. Countries within existing provinces are listed first in order
of province, followed by countries without provinces in alphabetical
order.


TABVLA PRETIORVM VECTIGALIVM ANNO MMDCCVII A.V.C.
TAX RATE TABLE FOR 2757 ab urbe condita

Tax Amount in Tax Amount
Macronation Provincia Local Currency in USD
==========================================================================
United States America Austroccidentalis 12.00 USD 12.00
United States America Austrorientalis 12.00 USD 12.00
United States America Boreoccidentalis 12.00 USD 12.00
United States America Medioccidentalis Sup. 12.00 USD 12.00
Argentina Argentina 10.00 ARS 3.48
Israel Asia Occidentalis 30.00 ILS 6.83
Turkey Asia Occidentalis 3330000.00 TRL 2.44
Korea, South Asia Orientalis 7700.00 KPW 6.51
Philippines Asia Orientalis 85.00 PHP 1.54
Japan Asia Orientalis 1020.00 JPY 9.62
Singapore Asia Orientalis 14.00 SGD 8.28
Malaysia Asia Orientalis 11.00 MYR 2.89
Australia Australia 12.00 AUD 9.30
Brazil Brasilia 7.00 BRL 2.46
United Kingdom Britannia 5.00 GBP 9.09
United States California 12.00 USD 12.00
Canada Canada Occidentalis 13.00 CAD 10.16
Canada Canada Orientalis 13.00 CAD 10.16
Belgium Gallia 8.00 EUR 10.26
France Gallia 7.00 EUR 8.97
Netherlands Gallia 7.00 EUR 8.97
Switzerland Germania 13.00 CHF 10.57
Austria Germania 7.00 EUR 8.97
Germany Germania 7.00 EUR 8.97
Ireland Hibernia 8.00 EUR 10.26
Portugal Hispania 5.00 EUR 6.41
Spain Hispania 6.00 EUR 7.69
Italy Italia 7.00 EUR 8.97
United States Lacus Magni 12.00 USD 12.00
United States Mediatlantica 12.00 USD 12.00
Mexico Mexico 32.00 MXN 2.95
United States Nova Britannia 12.00 USD 12.00
Czech Republic Pannonia 130.00 CZK 5.13
Hungary Pannonia 930.00 HUF 4.44
Slovakia Pannonia 132.00 SKK 4.13
Ukraine Sarmatia 8.00 UAH 1.50
Russia Sarmatia 94.00 RUR 3.23
Sweden Thule 62.00 SEK 8.68
Denmark Thule 56.00 DKK 9.59
Finland Thule 7.00 EUR 8.97
Iceland Thule 700.00 ISK 10.04
Norway Thule 75.00 NOK 11.06
Poland Venedia 12.00 PLN 3.27

Albania 155.00 ALL 1.47
Andorra 5.00 EUR 6.41
Armenia 645.00 AMD 1.20
Bosnia and Herzegovina 1.00 BAM 0.55
Bulgaria 3.00 BGN 1.96
Chile 1900.00 CLP 3.37
China 13.00 CNY 1.57
Colombia 5600.00 COP 2.04
Costa Rica 1160.00 CRC 2.77
Croatia 20.00 HRK 3.32
Greece 5.00 EUR 6.41
Honduras 15.00 HNL 0.84
Macedonia 83.00 MKD 1.70
Morocco 11.00 MAD 1.27
New Zealand 10.00 NZD 6.80
Nicaragua 11.00 NIO 0.71
Nigeria 41.00 NGN 0.30
Romania 82100.00 ROL 2.53
South Africa 22.00 ZAR 3.34
Uruguay 76.00 UYU 2.63
Venezuela 2900.00 VEB 1.82
Vietnam 12000.00 VND 0.77


II. Pridie Kalendas Maias dies ultima in qua vectigalia sine poena
pendantur constituta est. Licet vectigalia pendere post illam diem,
sed poena dimidia parte (quinquaginta [L] percento) debebitur. Exempli
gratia, necesse est ut civis qui ante diem ultimam thaleros duodecim
($XII) debeat, postquam thaleros duodeviginti ($XVIII) pendat.

2. The deadline for remittance of taxes is the last day of April.
Taxes may be remitted after that date, with a penalty of an extra 50%.
For example, a citizen who owes $12 would need to pay $18 after the
deadline.

III. Vnicuique qui/quae provinciae gubernator est exemplar huius
edicti ad provinciae indices (ubi exstant) transmittendum est.
Vnicuique traductori Novae Romae publico hunc edictum in linguam/linguas
quarum rationem reddere debet vertendum. Edicti huius appendix
consilium civibus continet, et cum edicto semetipso transmitti/verti debeat.

3. Each provincial governor is required to copy this edict to their
provincial lists (where applicable). Each of Nova Roma's official
Interpreters is required to translate this edict into the language(s)
for which they are responsible. The appendix to this edictum contains
advice to citizens and should be forwarded/translated with the main
document.

Hoc edictum statim valet.

This edictum is effective immediately.

Datum sub manu mea Kalendis Februariis, MMDCCVII A.V.C.
Gnaeo Salice Asturi et Gnaeo Equitio Marino consulibus

Given under my hand, this First day of February, 2757 ab urbe condita
in the consulship of Gnaeus Salix Astur and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus

APPENDIX - Advice to Citizens

Taxes can be paid in a variety of ways.

Citizens remitting their taxes in US dollars may send a check, money
order, or equivalent form of payment made out to Nova Roma directly to:

Nova Roma
PO Box 1897
Wells, ME 04090

Other citizens will need to purchase an international money order in US
dollars for the full amount of their taxes and send it to the address
above. Note that individual checks in local currencies sent directly to
the Nova Roma address will likely cost more to cash than they are worth.

Some provincial governors have chosen to arrange a central point in
their provinciae to which citizens may remit their taxes so that the
province will only need to make a single payment to the central
treasury. Citizens are encouraged to contact their provincial governor,
if any, to find out whether their province will be doing this.

Citizens in Europe whose provincial governor has chosen not to act as a
collection point may contact Quaestor Caius Curius Saturninus
(mikko.sillanpaa@...), in order to arrange payment if they wish.

All citizens capable of doing so may pay their taxes through the PayPal
service. There is a link on the Nova Roma Web site's main page for
this. It is the purple image alternately displaying "DONO DARE" and
"give to Nova Roma via PayPal" located beneath the main menu.

All citizens should be sure to include the full Roman names of all
citizens for whom they are paying with their remittance! PayPal provides
a comments field when you use it, and you can provide the name(s) there.
This will ensure that each civis who pays taxes will be properly
enrolled in the Assidui.

Questions may be addressed to myself (gawne@...) or my
quaestor, Livia Cornelia Hibernia (livia_cornelia_hibernia@...).
If you post your question to the main list, please Cc my address to
ensure that I see the message.

APPENDIX LATINE - CONSILIVM CIVIBVS

Vectigalia modis diversis pendi possunt.

Cives vectigalia sua thaleris Americanis denominata vel perscriptionem,
vel iussum pecuniarium, vel solutionis formam aequalem, scriptam Novae
Romae recta mittant apud:

Nova Roma
P.O. Box 1897
Wells, ME 04090

Necesse erit ut alii cives iussum omnium gentium pecuniarium denominatum
thaleris Vnitorum Statuum Americae vectigalium tota summa emant et ad
locum supra scriptum mittant. Animadvertatis perscriptiones privatas
denominatas pecuniis regionalibus ad Novae Romae locum recta missas
probabiliter plus quam valeant pecunia numerata solvi constaturas esse.

Aliqui e numero gubernatorum provincialium partem mediam provinciarum
suarum quo cives vectigalia pendant statuere delegerunt ut provinciae
suae solutionem solam aerario centrali pendere debeant. Vt comperiant
si provincia sua hoc modo utatur, cives qui gubernatorem provincialem
habent ei aut epistulas scribere aut apparatu telephonico eum/eam vocare
hortati sunt.

Licet civibus in Europa habitantibus quorum gubernatores nec locum
medium deligere nec vectigalia se exigere volunt epistulas Quaestori
Caio Saturnino scribere (mikko.silanpaa@...) ut volentes
vectigalium solutionem constituant.

Licet civibus omnibus qui ita possint vectigalia sua via officio
"Solutioni Amico" pendere. Est ad hanc finem vinculum in pagina araneae
Novae Romae prima, imago purpurea sita sub indice principali quae
invicem verba "DONO DARE" et "date Novae Romae via 'Solutioni Amico'
(sed posteriora anglice reddita sunt) ostentat.

Omnes cives se certiores faciant ut nomina Romana plena civium omnium
quibus se vectigalia pendant cum solutione ascribantur! "Solutioni
Amicus" locum commentarium utentibus praebet ubi nomina ascribere
poteritis. Hoc facto, certum erit ut civis quisque vectigalia pendens
recte inter assiduos ascribatur.

Licet quaestiones ad me ipsum (gawne@...) vel ad quaestricem
meam, Liviam Corneliam Hiberniam (livia_cornelia_hibernia@...)
mittere. Si quaestiones vestras ad indicem principalem mittatis, vos
rogo ut exemplar ad inscriptionem meam inscribatis ad me certiorem
epistulas vestras a me legendas faciendum.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21515 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Re: Journey in NJ
Salve Luci Iuli,

Lucius Iulius wrote:

> SALVETE OMNES
>
> In a couple of week I'm going to leave Italia for one month; I'll be
> in New Jersey (Provincia Mediatlantica, I guess) for work.
>
> If possible, I'd like to meet someone of you: who is living there?

We have several citizens in Nova Caesaria. My legate for that region is
Merlinia Ambrosia Artori (merlinia AT comcast DOT net). I'm sure she'd
be pleased to meet with you if time and circumstances permit.

Perhaps I'll even be able to drive over for a visit, depending on how
long you're there and where in the state you are.

Vale,

Gn. Equitius Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21516 From: Manius Constantinus Serapio Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: Edictum Propraetorium I de prorogatione edictorum Fr. Apuli Caesaris
EDICTVM PROPRAETORIVM I DE PROROGATIONE EDICTORVM FR APVLI CAESARIS

I. By this Edictum I hereby extend under my Propraetorship the
following Edicta issued during the past two years by former
Propraetor Italiae Franciscus Apulus Caesar:

-Edictum Propraetorium I de Regula Provinciae Italiae, including its
amendment in Edictum Propraetorium II.

-Edictum Propraetorium III – Consilium Propraetoris

-Edictum Propraetorium V (on the Magna Mater Project)

-Edictum Propraetorium VI – Pacta Martia

-Edictum Propraetorium VIII de aedificatione symbolorum Provinciae
Italiae

-Edictum Propraetorium XIII de aedificatione locutionis Provinciae
Italiae

-Edictum Propraetorium XIV (on a provincial aerarium)

-Edictum Propraetorium XV de Urbe Romae rata habenda

-Edictum Vectigale (on collecting Nova Roma taxes in Italia for the
current year)


II. All of these Edicta shall be recorded in the Tabularium of
Provincia Italia under the name of Franciscus Apulus Caesar, in
order to distinguish them from those which will be issued under my
Propraetorship.

III. This Edictum has the approval of the Curia Italica.

Ante Die XIV Kal Apriles Cn Salice Asture Cn Equitio Marino Cos
(Given on 19th March, under the Consulship of Gnaeus Salix Astur and
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus)

Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Propraetor Italiae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21517 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-18
Subject: SECOND ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE MUNERA OF THE QUINQUATRIA
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

For the Feria Quinquatriae we shall be introducing a new form of
munera with a new feature. The fights will be organised by lanistae
and the fights reported each day of the feria on the main list.
Citizens will not be sponsoring gladiators for these fights. However,
wagering on gladiatorial bouts was a major part of munera in Roma
antiqua and for the first time citizens will be able to bet on the
outcomes of each bout. Each citizen or socius who wishes to
participate will receive 100 faux-sesterces with which to wager. Wins
and losses will be calculated by the aediles curules and their
quaestores and the citizen's balance of sesterces will be reported at
the end of the munera. The odds will be determined by the amount
wagered by citizens. Sesterces won in the munera may also be used in
the Ludi Circenses to support or defend against dirty actions. Using
Pompeian rules, citizens may wager for each bout on:
1. Which fighter will draw first blood; and
2. Which fighter will win.
If both fighters are stantes missi (i.e., are permitted to live by the
editor of the munera, usually on the recommendation of the audience),
the wagers on victory will be refunded. If first blood is not drawn
(an exceptional circumstance when both fighters fight so well neither
is able to score a hit), wagers on first blood will be refunded.

Citizens who wish to participate in the wagering may enter by emailing
to Quaestor G. Vipsanius Agrippa at canadaoccidentalis@... the
following information for each wager:

1. Nova Roman name and provincia;
2. The munera (prima, secunda, or tertia);
3. The name of the gladiator on whom he/she bets to score first blood
and the amount wagered; and/or
4. The name of the gladiator on whom he/she bets to win and the
amount wagered.
PLEASE PLACE ALL OF THE BETS FOR ALL OF THE THREE MUNERA IN _ONE_ EMAIL.

Wagers will be accepted until 12:01 AM, Roman time, on ante diem XIII
Kalendae Aprilis (March 20).

The edictum establishing the rules of these munera will be published
separately. For those who enjoyed the old style of munera, fear not.
There will also be munera in the old style in later feriae.

The bout card for the munera of the Feria Quinquatriae is:
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MUNERA PRIMA -- ante diem XIII Kalendae Aprilis (March 20)

Galba of the school of Mactator, secutor tyro, shall fight Alexandros
the Highwayman, noxius condemnatus, to the death.

Carbo of the school of Mactator, retiarius, XII vix et V stantes
missi, shall fight Ahenobarbus of the school of Phenix, secutor, VI
vix et IV stantes missi.

Paulus of the School of Dalmaticus, dimachaerus, VIII vix, shall fight
Caepio the Latin, of the school of Phenix, secutor, IV vix et I
stantes missi. The fight shall be to the second blood.

MUNERA SECUNDA -- ante diem XII Kalendae Aprilis (March 21)

Pulus of the school of Mactator, thrakan, VI vix et II stantes missi,
shall fight Piso the Eturian of the school of Phenix, secutor tyro.

Eburnus the Greek of the school of Phenix, hoplomachus, III vix, shall
fight Strabo of the school of Mactator, secutor tyro.

Ruso of the school of Mactator, murmillo, VI vix, shall fight Rufinus
the Sicilian of the school of Phenix, retarius tyro.

Carbo of the school of Mactator, retiarius, XII vix et V stantes
missi, shall fight Ahenobarbus the German of the school of Phenix,
secutor, VI vix et IV stantes missi.

MUNERA TERTIA -- ante diem XI Kalendae Aprilis (March 22)

Phillipus the Greek of the school of Phenix, hoplomachus, II vix,
shall fight Brocchus of the school of Mactator, secutor tyro.

Pipinna of the school of Mactator, thrakan, XI vix et IV stantes
missi, shall fight Mus of the School of Dalmaticus, dimachaerus, X
vix. The fight shall be to the second blood.

Attalius the Gaul of the school of Phenix, secutor, XXI vix et IV
stantes missi, shall fight Crassus of the school of Mactator,
hoplomachus, XII vix et VIII stantes missi.

Mactator of the school of Mactator, five times recipient of the rudis,
secutor, XXXI vix et XXII stantes missi, shall fight Valens the Oscan
of the school of Phenix, secutor, XI vix et VI stantes missi.
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Those new to the munera might find the following definitions useful:

A retiarius fought with a trident and a net which he used to entangle
his opponent.

A secutor wore a round crested helmet and armour on his right arm and
left shin; he carried a shield and fought with a spatha.

A tyro was a gladiator in his first professional bout.

A dimachaerus was a secutor who fought with two spathae and no shield
or a thrakan who fought with two sicae and no shield.

A thrakan, or Thracian, wore a large helmet crested with a griffon and
armour on both legs to the thigh; he carried a small round shield and
fought with a curved short sword, the sica.

A hoplomachus was a very heavily armoured gladiator with a visored
helmet, a manica covering his right arm and shoulder, and armour
protecting his left shin; he carried a military-style scutum and used
the gladius.

A murmillo wore a fish-crested helmet and leather armour on his right
forearm; he carried an oval shield and used a short sword or dagger.

A noxius condemnatus is a criminal condemned to gladiatorial combat.

Vix is the number of victories the gladiator has scored.

Stantes missi is the number of times a defeated gladiator has been
spared by popular acclaim.

The rudis was a wooden sword presented to a gladiator whose career of
success won such great acclaim that he was freed from gladiatorial status.

I invite all to participate in the munera of the Feria Quinquatriae.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21519 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Where is everybody?
Salvete,
It's SO quiet! Where is everyone? Did Barbarians attack and take
everybody captive while I wasn't looking? :-)

Vale,

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus

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AIM: PropraetorAMS or CensorSVR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21520 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: ante diem XIV Kalendae Aprilis -- Feria Quinquatriae
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem XIV Kalendae Aprilis; the day is nefastus publicus
and the Feria Quinquatriae. Ovid says of the first day of the
Quinquatria (_Fasti_ 3.809-12):

After the interval of a day, and the sacra of Minerva occur,
and they have their name from the number of days they last.
The first day is free from blood, nor is it lawful to fight with iron;
the reason: because that is the birthday of Minerva.

Ludi scaenici, theatrical performances, were also held on the first
day of the Quinquatria to honour Minerva as the patroness of poetry
and art.

Tomorrow is is ante diem XIII Kalendae Aprilis; the day is comitialis
and the Feria Quinquatriae. On the second day of the quinquatria,
munera were held in honour of Minerva as a Goddess of war; Ovid
(_Fasti_, 3.13-14) reports:

But the next and the three days following are celebrated on the sand
of the arena:
by naked blades the warlike Goddess is made happy.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21521 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: A review of the archaeological evidence for food plants from the Br
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "A review of the archaeological evidence for food
plants from the British Isles: an example of the use of the
Archaeobotanical Computer Database (ABCD)":

http://intarch.ac.uk/journal/issue1/tomlinson/abcdbib.html

This essay by Philippa Tomlinson and Allan R. Hall first appeared in
_Internet Archaeology_ 1 (1996) and provides some interesting insights
into the agriculture of Roman Britain.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21522 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Opening of the Feria Quinquatria and the Sacrifice to Minerva Sapie
Not long after dawn the Pontifices and Flamines, Sacerdotes Minverae,
all the major magistrates and a huge throng of tradesmen, craftsmen,
weaver-women, musicians, and citizens of every sort gathers in the
Forum Romanum from which the procession to the Temple of Minerva on
the Aventine will begin. To the sound of flutes and trumpets the
procession begins, the sacerdotes and their assistants leading the
sacrificial victim, a white heifer, her head garlanded with red and
white wool ribbons, across her back the brocade, fringed dorsuale.
Slowly the procession winds from the forum, between the Capitoline and
Palatine, then past the Circus Maximus and up the Aventine to the
shrine of Minerva Sapientissima.

More attendants await at the temple, tending the altar, as the
procession arrives. The senior Aedilis Curulis and a Sacerdos
Minervae perform their ablutions as all is made ready. They dry their
hands and approach the altar. Silence is pronounced and the sacred
flutes begin to play, lest an inauspicious sound disturb the
caerimonia.* Reading from the scroll held by the sacerdos Minervae,
who also whispers the words with him to aid him in avoiding an
vitiating mistake, the Aedilis Curulis, as editor of the feria,
invokes the Di Immortales to witness the sacrifice -- first Ianus,
then Iuppiter Optimus Maximus, then Iuno Regina, and Mars Pater, and
Quirinus -- with incense and libations of unmixed wine. When the
praefatio is completed, the aedilis continues with the praecatio to
Minerva Sapientissima herself, calling her aid for the Senate and
People of the Nova Romans, the Quirites, concluding with a libation on
the focus of the altar.

The victim is brought forward. The dorsuale is removed by attendants,
the heifer lowers here head, then the Aedilis Curulis pours a few
drops of wine upon the ox's head, sprinkles the victim's back with
mola salsa, and draws the bronze sacrificial blade down the ox's back.
The Aedilis Curulis commands the victimarius to strike, bringing the
bronze poleaxe down upon the victim's head. The heifer, stunned by the
blow, goes to her knees, and another victimarius neatly cuts the
victim's throat. Within moments the victim is dead. The victim is
placed on her back, her belly opened quickly, and the haruspex
inspects the internal organs (exta): the liver, the lungs, the biliary
blister, peritoneum and heart. Each is normal, and the haruspex and
Aedilis Curulis pronounce the sacrifice to be litatio -- accepted by
Minerva Sapientissima. These exta are reserved and skewered to be
grilled before offering to Minerva. The victimarii render the
remainder of the heifer in preparation for the epulum.

When the skewered exta have been grilled, the Aedilis Curulis
sprinkles them with mola salsa and salt before placing them upon the
burning focus of the altar, then offers a libation of unmixed wine,
"Minerva Sapientissima, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino
inferio esto [Most Wise Minerva, may you be honoured by this feast
offering, may you be honoured by the humble wine]." He pours then a
libation to each of the invoked Gods and Goddesses in turn, and to
Vesta, custodian of the sacred fire. He profanes the remainder of the
meat which is taken to be roasted for the epulum feast.

The participants in the sacrifice partake of the epulum, eating the
meat and bread, drinking wine, praying and offering libations to
Minerva Sapientissima, joining in a common meal with the Gods to
celebrate the feria.

Later in the day there will be ludi scaenici, theatrical performances
in honour of Minerva as the patroness of poetry and the arts on her
day of birth, in the Theatre of Pompey. On the second day of the
feria three days of munera begin, honouring Minerva as a Qar Goddess.
On the third and fourth days there will be ludi circenses in the
Circus Maximus. And, finally, on the fifth and last day of the feria,
the caerimonia of the Tubilistrium, the purification of trumpets and
horns used in war and religious caerimoniae, and sacrifice to Minerva
Capta on the Caelian Hill will occur.

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* - The precise formulae of the caerimoniae of the sacrifices of the
Feria Quinquatriae are unknown, but it is likely that they followed
the general form of most propritiatory sacrifices of the ritus
Romanus, as suggested here. Since Nova Roma is not in the position to
offer animal sacrifices at this time, a sacerdos Minverae offers a
non-animal sacrifice for the feria, a report of which will be posted
on the main list.