Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Mar 19-28, 2004

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21522 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Opening of the Feria Quinquatria and the Sacrifice to Minerva Sapie
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21523 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Re: Journey in NJ
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21524 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Re: Where is everybody?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21525 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Re: Journey in NJ
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21526 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: LUDUS SCAENICUS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21527 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Re: Where is everybody?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21528 From: Octavia Ulpia Terentina Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Re: Where is everybody?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21529 From: Steve Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21530 From: Steve Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21531 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Re: Updates and Upgrades
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21532 From: Emilia Finnlund Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: EDICTUM AEDILICIUM I - DE RATIONE LUDORUM CIRCENSIUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21533 From: Emilia Finnlund Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: EDICTUM AEDILICIUM II - DESIGNATIO SCRIBAE AEDILIS EMILIAE CURIAE F
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21534 From: Emilia Finnlund Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: EDICTUM AEDILICIUM III - DE RATIONE MUNERUM ET VENATIONUM
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21535 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21536 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Ammendment I to Consular Edictum: Senate Code of Conduct Commission
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21537 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21538 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21539 From: Patricia Cassia Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: tax payments by check
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21540 From: Decimus Antoninius Aquilius Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Quinquatrus and a store
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21541 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: EDICTUM AEDILICIUM DE CIRCENSIBUS FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21542 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: ante diem XIII Kalendae Aprilis -- Feria Quinquatriae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21543 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: The Foundation and Loss of the Royal and Serapeum Libraries of Alex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21544 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: Report of Caerimonia Feriae Quinquatrus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21545 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: Feria of the Quinquatria
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21546 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: Interview the Expert!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21547 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: Edictum Propraetoricium II- appointment of Legatus and Scriba Propr
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21548 From: Decimus Iunius Silanus Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21549 From: Caius Minucius Scaevola Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21550 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: Juliana RIP
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21551 From: Lucius Rutilius Minervalis Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: Oath of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21552 From: Alexander Probus Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: Slovak translation of Consular Edictum on Taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21553 From: Alexander Probus Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: Note on taxes payments in Pannonia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21554 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: My condolences to our citizens in the Netherlands
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21555 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: MUNERA PRIMA FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE -- PART I
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21556 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: MUNERA PRIMA FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE -- PART II
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21557 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: MUNERA PRIMA FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE -- PART III
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21558 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: ante diem XII Kalendae Aprilis -- Feria Quinquatriae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21559 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Links
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21560 From: Caius Minucius Scaevola Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Re: Links
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21561 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: To all Nova Romans in America Austrorientalis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21562 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Re: Links
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21563 From: octavianusflaviuspompeius Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Re: Links
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21564 From: Lucius Rutilius Minervalis Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Re: Links
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21565 From: asseri@aol.com Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Re: Links
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21566 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Use of names
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21567 From: Alexander Probus Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Re: Note on taxes payments in Pannonia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21568 From: Alexander Probus Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Re: Gens Nemo. What now?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21569 From: Horatia Minucia Tiberia Caesar Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: NUNTII MUSARUM #2 -- Salvete Omnes!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21570 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Re: Links
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21571 From: daan kramieri Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Re: My condolences to our citizens in the Netherlands
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21572 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Re: Use of names
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21573 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: LUDI CIRCENSES -- FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE -- PART I
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21574 From: Lucius Cornelius Cicero Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Return from technical-failure induced absence
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21575 From: Gaius Laelius Pertinax Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Oath of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21576 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: (no subject)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21577 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: LUDI CIRCENSES -- FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE -- PART II
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21578 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: LUDI CIRCENSES -- FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE -- PART III
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21579 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: MUNERA SECUNDA FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE -- PART I
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21580 From: artabrus Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Happy Winner
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21581 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: MUNERA SECUNDA FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE -- PART II
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21582 From: Caius Minucius Scaevola Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21583 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: ante diem XI Kalendae Aprilis -- Feria Quinquatriae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21584 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Re: Links
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21585 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Re: Links
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21586 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Re: Use of names
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21587 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Re: LUDI CIRCENSES -- FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE -- PART II
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21588 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Re: Links
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21589 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Re: Use of names
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21590 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Re: Links
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21591 From: Octavia Ulpia Terentina Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: some links
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21592 From: Sarah Anthony Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Saturnalia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21593 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Religio by Commitio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21594 From: Legion XXIV Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Vicesima Quarta Newsletter March 2004
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21595 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Re: Religio by Commitio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21596 From: Christopher L. Wood Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Re: Religio by Commitio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21597 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: LUDI CIRCENSES FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE -- FINAL RACE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21598 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: MUNERA TERTIA FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21599 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: the Racing Factions
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21600 From: artabrus Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Re: LUDI CIRCENSES FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE -- FINAL RACE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21601 From: Ambrosius Artorius Iulianus Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Re: Religio by Commitio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21602 From: Lucius Cornelius Cicero Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Oath of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21603 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Provincial magistracy open - Legatus Regionis Rhode Island
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21604 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Re: the Racing Factions
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21605 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21606 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21607 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: ante diem X Kalendae Aprilis -- Feria Quinquatriae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21608 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Tubilustrium -- Feria Quinquatriae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21609 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: List of Ludi Circenses
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21610 From: alexious@earthlink.net Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Notify about using the e-mail account.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21611 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Saturnalia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21612 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Religio by Commitio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21613 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Religio by Commitio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21614 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Fwd: photos or pictures for russian magazine
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21615 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21616 From: politicog Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: LUDI CIRCENSES FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE -- FINAL RACE
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21617 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21618 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21619 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: the Racing Factions
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21620 From: Flavia Lucilla Merula Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Use of names
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21621 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21622 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Edictum Censorius CFQ III de Nominationibus in Cohorte Censoris CFQ
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21623 From: Caius Minucius Scaevola Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Fwd: photos or pictures for russian magazine
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21624 From: Titus Arminius Genialis Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Oath of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21625 From: equestriaiunialaeca Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Fwd: photos or pictures for russian magazine
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21626 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Contest of praise
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21627 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Religio by Commitio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21628 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Report of the Cermonia Feria Tubilustrii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21629 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Contest of praise
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21630 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Fwd: photos or pictures for russian magazine
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21631 From: gaiusmm Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Test
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21632 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Use of names
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21633 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-24
Subject: ante diem IX Kalendae Aprilis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21634 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-24
Subject: Re: Contest of praise
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21635 From: Antonius Nebrissensis Date: 2004-03-24
Subject: Re: Use of names
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21636 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2004-03-24
Subject: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21637 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-24
Subject: Resignations
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21638 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-03-24
Subject: Subscribe to the new mailing list of Provincia Gallia!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21639 From: Pierre-Jean Tuloup Date: 2004-03-24
Subject: Inscrivez-vous à la nouvelle liste de Provincia Gallia!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21640 From: Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2004-03-24
Subject: Please help
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21641 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2004-03-24
Subject: Re: Please help
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21642 From: Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2004-03-24
Subject: Ave Mercury!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21643 From: Quintus Bianchius Rufinus Date: 2004-03-24
Subject: SPQR Ring
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21644 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-03-24
Subject: Re: SPQR Ring
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21645 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2004-03-24
Subject: Re: Use of names
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21646 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-25
Subject: ante diem VIII Kalendae Aprilis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21647 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-03-25
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21648 From: Paula Drennan Date: 2004-03-25
Subject: Re: SPQR Ring
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21649 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-25
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21650 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2004-03-25
Subject: New citizens
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21651 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2004-03-25
Subject: Ludi Megalesia - Call for Ludi Circenses
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21652 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2004-03-25
Subject: Ludi Megalesia -Call for the Cultural Contest
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21653 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-25
Subject: Re: New citizens
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21654 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2004-03-25
Subject: Ludi Megalesia 2004
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21655 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-03-25
Subject: Re: SPQR Ring
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21656 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: ante diem VII Kalendae Aprilis -- Feriae Latinae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21657 From: Gnaeus Salix Astur Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Caerimonia Feriarum Latinarum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21658 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: New citizens
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21659 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: Caerimonia Feriarum Latinarum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21660 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Gone a few days
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21661 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21662 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21663 From: alexious@earthlink.net Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21664 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: Use of names
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21665 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21666 From: Paula Drennan Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: SPQR Ring
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21667 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: Use of names
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21668 From: asseri@aol.com Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: drama for the future . Re: [Nova-Roma] Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21669 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21670 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21671 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21672 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Ludi Megalesia - Call for Munera Gladiatoria and Venationes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21673 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21674 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Check Posts
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21675 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21676 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21677 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Nova Britannia Edictum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21678 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: New Movie By Mel Gibson
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21679 From: L. Cornelius Sulla Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21680 From: Equestria Iunia Laeca Date: 2004-03-27
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21681 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-27
Subject: ante diem VI Kalendae Aprilis -- Feriae Latinae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21682 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-27
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21683 From: Decimus Iunius Silanus Date: 2004-03-27
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21684 From: L. Sicinius Drusus Date: 2004-03-27
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1187
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21685 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-27
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21686 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Date: 2004-03-27
Subject: Oath of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21687 From: Susan Davis Date: 2004-03-27
Subject: Re: ante diem VI Kalendae Aprilis -- Feriae Latinae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21688 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-03-27
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21689 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-28
Subject: Race of the Feriae Latinae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21690 From: Lucius Cassius Pontonius Date: 2004-03-28
Subject: Re: Oath of Office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21691 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-28
Subject: ante diem V Kalendae Aprilis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21692 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-03-28
Subject: Re: L Cornelia'sResignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21693 From: Equestria Iunia Laeca Date: 2004-03-28
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21694 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-03-28
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21695 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-28
Subject: Re: Race of the Feriae Latinae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21696 From: NipperF@aol.com Date: 2004-03-28
Subject: Re: SPQR Ring
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21697 From: Seia Silvania Atia Date: 2004-03-28
Subject: Prayers/Simple Rituals



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21522 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Opening of the Feria Quinquatria and the Sacrifice to Minerva Sapie
Not long after dawn the Pontifices and Flamines, Sacerdotes Minverae,
all the major magistrates and a huge throng of tradesmen, craftsmen,
weaver-women, musicians, and citizens of every sort gathers in the
Forum Romanum from which the procession to the Temple of Minerva on
the Aventine will begin. To the sound of flutes and trumpets the
procession begins, the sacerdotes and their assistants leading the
sacrificial victim, a white heifer, her head garlanded with red and
white wool ribbons, across her back the brocade, fringed dorsuale.
Slowly the procession winds from the forum, between the Capitoline and
Palatine, then past the Circus Maximus and up the Aventine to the
shrine of Minerva Sapientissima.

More attendants await at the temple, tending the altar, as the
procession arrives. The senior Aedilis Curulis and a Sacerdos
Minervae perform their ablutions as all is made ready. They dry their
hands and approach the altar. Silence is pronounced and the sacred
flutes begin to play, lest an inauspicious sound disturb the
caerimonia.* Reading from the scroll held by the sacerdos Minervae,
who also whispers the words with him to aid him in avoiding an
vitiating mistake, the Aedilis Curulis, as editor of the feria,
invokes the Di Immortales to witness the sacrifice -- first Ianus,
then Iuppiter Optimus Maximus, then Iuno Regina, and Mars Pater, and
Quirinus -- with incense and libations of unmixed wine. When the
praefatio is completed, the aedilis continues with the praecatio to
Minerva Sapientissima herself, calling her aid for the Senate and
People of the Nova Romans, the Quirites, concluding with a libation on
the focus of the altar.

The victim is brought forward. The dorsuale is removed by attendants,
the heifer lowers here head, then the Aedilis Curulis pours a few
drops of wine upon the ox's head, sprinkles the victim's back with
mola salsa, and draws the bronze sacrificial blade down the ox's back.
The Aedilis Curulis commands the victimarius to strike, bringing the
bronze poleaxe down upon the victim's head. The heifer, stunned by the
blow, goes to her knees, and another victimarius neatly cuts the
victim's throat. Within moments the victim is dead. The victim is
placed on her back, her belly opened quickly, and the haruspex
inspects the internal organs (exta): the liver, the lungs, the biliary
blister, peritoneum and heart. Each is normal, and the haruspex and
Aedilis Curulis pronounce the sacrifice to be litatio -- accepted by
Minerva Sapientissima. These exta are reserved and skewered to be
grilled before offering to Minerva. The victimarii render the
remainder of the heifer in preparation for the epulum.

When the skewered exta have been grilled, the Aedilis Curulis
sprinkles them with mola salsa and salt before placing them upon the
burning focus of the altar, then offers a libation of unmixed wine,
"Minerva Sapientissima, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino
inferio esto [Most Wise Minerva, may you be honoured by this feast
offering, may you be honoured by the humble wine]." He pours then a
libation to each of the invoked Gods and Goddesses in turn, and to
Vesta, custodian of the sacred fire. He profanes the remainder of the
meat which is taken to be roasted for the epulum feast.

The participants in the sacrifice partake of the epulum, eating the
meat and bread, drinking wine, praying and offering libations to
Minerva Sapientissima, joining in a common meal with the Gods to
celebrate the feria.

Later in the day there will be ludi scaenici, theatrical performances
in honour of Minerva as the patroness of poetry and the arts on her
day of birth, in the Theatre of Pompey. On the second day of the
feria three days of munera begin, honouring Minerva as a Qar Goddess.
On the third and fourth days there will be ludi circenses in the
Circus Maximus. And, finally, on the fifth and last day of the feria,
the caerimonia of the Tubilistrium, the purification of trumpets and
horns used in war and religious caerimoniae, and sacrifice to Minerva
Capta on the Caelian Hill will occur.

__________________
* - The precise formulae of the caerimoniae of the sacrifices of the
Feria Quinquatriae are unknown, but it is likely that they followed
the general form of most propritiatory sacrifices of the ritus
Romanus, as suggested here. Since Nova Roma is not in the position to
offer animal sacrifices at this time, a sacerdos Minverae offers a
non-animal sacrifice for the feria, a report of which will be posted
on the main list.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21523 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Re: Journey in NJ
L Iul Sulla Consuli Gn Eq Marino S.P.D.

I will be pleased to meet you and Merlinia, if possible.
As I said, I do not know my movements, at the moment. I'll let you
know as soon as possible by email.
My stay will be of one month, from April the 6th to May the 4th.

OPTIME VALE
L IUL SULLA



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@c...> wrote:
> Salve Luci Iuli,
>
> Lucius Iulius wrote:
>
> > SALVETE OMNES
> >
> > In a couple of week I'm going to leave Italia for one month; I'll
be
> > in New Jersey (Provincia Mediatlantica, I guess) for work.
> >
> > If possible, I'd like to meet someone of you: who is living there?
>
> We have several citizens in Nova Caesaria. My legate for that
region is
> Merlinia Ambrosia Artori (merlinia AT comcast DOT net). I'm sure
she'd
> be pleased to meet with you if time and circumstances permit.
>
> Perhaps I'll even be able to drive over for a visit, depending on
how
> long you're there and where in the state you are.
>
> Vale,
>
> Gn. Equitius Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21524 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Re: Where is everybody?
Salve Gnae Corneli,

I think everyone is still around. Lately some of us have taken on
some extra NR and macronational duties and have not posted as often.
I am sure there will be topics coming along sooner or later that
will trigger some grear input and responses.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Charlie Collins <photog@f...>
wrote:
> Salvete,
> It's SO quiet! Where is everyone? Did Barbarians attack and
take
> everybody captive while I wasn't looking? :-)
>
> Vale,
>
> Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
>
> --
> AIM: PropraetorAMS or CensorSVR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21525 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Re: Journey in NJ
Salve Luci Iuli,

Lucius Iulius wrote:

> L Iul Sulla Consuli Gn Eq Marino S.P.D.
>
> I will be pleased to meet you and Merlinia, if possible.
> As I said, I do not know my movements, at the moment. I'll let you
> know as soon as possible by email.
> My stay will be of one month, from April the 6th to May the 4th.

Merlinia and I are both looking forward to the opportunity. Perhaps
Fortuna will smile on us, and you will be able to join us for dinner on
the 24th of April. We're having a little regional get-together in Nova
Caesaria that weekend.

Vale,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21526 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: LUDUS SCAENICUS
Aedilis Curulis G. Iulius Scaurus is pleased to offer a ludus
scaenicus (theatrical performance) for the Feria Quinquatriae:

<a href="http://xrl.us/bsga">Aeschylus' <i>Prometheus Bound</i></a>

All are invited to enjoy the ludus scaenicus in honour of Minerva
Sapientissima.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21527 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Re: Where is everybody?
Salve Gnaee Corneli;
I can tell you that the Ludi right now and then the Ludi Megalesia
are taking up a lot of everyone's time & then Quintus Lanius, myself,
Diana Octavia, Lucius Arminus Faustus et al. are new propraetores so
that's a huge thing to wrestle with and then there's courses to write
for Academia Thules, stuff for the Magna Mater project, the upcoming
meetings in Spain & the U.S...
NR it never stops! thank the gods.
bene vale, Sep. Fabia Vera Fausta



In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Charlie Collins <photog@f...> wrote:
> Salvete,
> It's SO quiet! Where is everyone? Did Barbarians attack and
take
> everybody captive while I wasn't looking? :-)
>
> Vale,
>
> Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
>
> --
> AIM: PropraetorAMS or CensorSVR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21528 From: Octavia Ulpia Terentina Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Re: Where is everybody?
Salve Gnaeus,
I hope no, that were not good :)

Vale bene,
Octavia

Charlie Collins <photog@...> wrote:
Salvete,
It's SO quiet! Where is everyone? Did Barbarians attack and take
everybody captive while I wasn't looking? :-)

Vale,

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus

--
AIM: PropraetorAMS or CensorSVR



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21529 From: Steve Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
OK. You know, it was just something that popped up when I posted the
thing. I could'nt care about it one way or the other, honestly. It
was just something that naturally rolled because of the nature of the
post. I can't believe this! Now I feel like I should just sit in the
corner coloring in my coloring book and not bother the nice people.
Free Speech, my ***. You need not worry. I will cease posting
anything unless I have at least 99% of public opinion behind me.
Excuse me, I have a market research group to round up.

Happy Homogenized Society!
Steve

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caius Minucius Scaevola <ben@c...>
wrote:
> Salve, Lucius Arminius Faustus; salve, Steve.
>
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 07:44:39PM -0000, Lucius Arminius Faustus
wrote:
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Steve"
<lucius0junius0brutus@y...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > "...there is actually very little evidence of the existence of
Jesus.
> > No offense to any Christians out there"
> >
> > Sure not!!! Who would fell offended by saying their god doesn´t
> > exist?!! I don´t see nothing to be offended!!! You see?! Sure
not, no
> > one see!!! >:(
> >
> > "I always found a lot of holes in Christian and Biblical history
(Not
> > unlike the holes in what I just proposed...). "
> >
> > Congratulations! So, don´t forget to keep them to yourself!
> >
> > "Just a discussion topic."
> >
> > No problem at all. When you find a list of people interested on
this
> > subject, you can discuss it until be satisfied!
> >
> > And may Respect and Concordia have mercy of us all!
>
> Indeed. Steve, I would _strongly_ suggest that you reconsider -
several
> times over, perhaps - the "topics" that you propose for discussion
in
> this forum. Attacking the core principles of someone's religion -
and
> saying "no offense" does not magically make it true - and proposing
that
> a monarchy "may not be a bad thing" in a group that is trying to
> recreate *Republican* Roma with its hatred of kings are not things
that
> will result in rational discourse. They may, and usually do, result
in
> flames.
>
> There's an excellent reason for the Usenet standard of reading a
group
> for a minimum of two weeks before posting, and learning what the
> incendiary topics - besides the universal "guns, rape, and religion"
> topics - may be. You, sir, are treading in dangerous waters.
>
>
> Vale,
> Caius Minucius Scaevola
> -=-=-=-=-=o0o=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=o0o=-=-=-=-
=-
> Duo cum faciunt idem, non est idem.
> When two do the same thing, it isn't the same (i.e. one can get
away with doing
> something while another cannot).
> -- Terence, "Adelphoe". Cf. "quod licet Iovi, non licet bovi."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21530 From: Steve Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Sound advice. Point well taken. Thank you. One thing I MUST ask,
however, is why do some people need to so aggressively attack any
opinions that differ from their own? When no offense was intended on
my part some of you decided to become as offensive as possible. Thank
you for the kind welcome.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sep. Fabia Vera" <rory12001@y...>
wrote:
> >
> > Sure not!!! Who would fell offended by saying their god doesn´t
> > exist?!! I don´t see nothing to be offended!!! You see?! Sure
not,
> no
> >
>
> Salvete omnes;
> this is for our new & newer cives; want to talk micronational
> politics, religion, money, etc...go to the BackAlley, that is the
NR
> unofficial forum for such things
> WARNING!: not for the faint of heart or easily offended;-
> valete Sep. Fabia Vera Fausta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21531 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Re: Updates and Upgrades
Salve Luci Corneli,

Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus wrote:

> Salve Consul Marinus,
>
> Is this in collaboration with the Egressus Sodalitas? I'm simply bringing
> this up as I am a new member of Egressus and it is not my intention to step
> on any toes.

I know that Consul Astur approached the Egressus about working with him
on this. My understanding is that he and the leadership of the Egressus
reached an understanding to have some limited coordination. You'd have
to write to him (salixastur AT yahoo DOT es) if you want to know the
precise division of labor agreed upon.

Vale,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21532 From: Emilia Finnlund Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: EDICTUM AEDILICIUM I - DE RATIONE LUDORUM CIRCENSIUM
EMILIA CURIA FINNICA QUIRITIBUS SPD

EDICTUM AEDILICIUM I - DE RATIONE LUDORUM CIRCENSIUM

I. Any Nova Roman citizen or socius who is not under Aedilician
sanction may take part in the Ludi Circenses organised by the Aediles
Plebis. Each citizen may enter no more than one chariot per ludi.

II. An entrant who wishes to participate in the Ludi Circenses must
send a subscription to C. Curius Saturninus at c.curius@... no
less than one week prior to the commencement of the ludi. Each
subscription must bear the subject header "Ludi Circenses" and
include the following information:

A. His/her name in Nova Roma;
B. The name of his/her driver;
C. The name of his/her chariot;
D. His/her tactics for the Quarter and Semifinals;
E. His/her tactics for the Finals;
F. The name of his/her "factio" or team (Albata, Praesina, Russata, or Veneta);
G. Dirty actions against another factio in a specific round
(quarter-final, semi-final, or final) and amount of sesterces paid in
support of it (an entrant does not have to pay sesterces to
commission a dirty action, but doing so increases the chances of
success);
H. Defence against dirty actions in a specific round (quarter-final,
semi-final, or final) and amount of sesterces paid in support of it
(an entrant does not have to pay sesterces to defend against a dirty
action, but doing so decreases the chances of success of the dirty
action);
I. If sesterces from multiple entrants are pooled to take a dirty
action or defend against a dirty action, the subscription of each
entrant of the pool must so indicate.

III. Tactics: Six (6) race tactics are possible:

A. To hurry in the last laps
B. To pass the curves closely the "spina" of the circus.
C. To support a constant pace
D. To lash the rivals
E. To push the rivals to the wall of the circus
F. To hurry in the straight lines

IV. Dirty actions.

A. An entrant can try the assassination of the driver of a rival
factio or the sabotage of his/her chariot.

1. Assassination of the driver of a rival factio. The entrant must
specify which factio he/she attacks. The base chance of success is 30
%. If the attempt fails it is is discovered and the name of the
entrant who commissioned the assassination and those who contributed
sesterces in support of the assassination will be announced and
subject to disciplinary action by the Aediles Plebis. Such
disciplinary action may include disqualification from the current
ludi, banning from future ludi for a specified period of time, or
banning from participation in the ludi for the remainder of the year.
The decision of the Aediles Plebis in such matters is final. If the
attempt is successful, the player with the murdered driver cannot
take part in the race and the murderer remains undiscovered.

2. Sabotage of a chariot. The entrant must specify which factio
he/she attacks. The base chance is 45 %. If the attempt is
unsuccessful, it is discovered and the name of the entrant who
commissioned the assassination and those who contributed sesterces in
support of the sabotage will be announced and subject to disciplinary
action by the Aediles Plebis. Such disciplinary action may include
disqualification from the current ludi, banning from future ludi for
a specified period of time, or banning from participation in the ludi
for the remainder of the year. The decision of the Aediles Plebis in
such matters is final. If the attempt is successful, the player with
the broken chariot will have an accident in the race.

B. Defence against and support for dirty actions. Each entrant shall
receive one hundred sesterces for each ludi. These sesterces may be
used in any round of any race, accumulated from race to race, or
accumulated from other entertainments (e.g., official-sponsored
wagering on munera). These sesterces are not redeemable in Nova Roman
or any other currency and may not be used outside the ways specified
in this edictum. The Aediles Plebis shall record the number of
sesterces held and expended by each entrant and their computations
shall be final and unappealable. The sesterces may be expended in any
of the following ways:

1. Application of one hundred sesterces by any entrant to defence of
his/her driver and chariot will render the driver and chariot immune
for one round in the ludi;

2. Entrants from the same factio may pool their sesterces for defence
in a round; for every one hundred sesterces pooled, the chance of
success of a dirty action against that factio is reduced by 5% in
that round.

3. Entrants may pool their sesterces for offence in a round; for
every one hundred sesterces pooled, the chance of success of a dirty
action against the targeted factio is increased by 5% in that round.

V. Organisation of Competition.

A. There will be three rounds to each competition: quarter,
semi-finals, and final.
B. The competition will be for elimination in each round. Every race
will involve no more than four entrants.
C. In the Quarter rounds there will be one entrant from each factio
in each race, unless there are too few entrants from a factio to make
this possible. The first two first place entrants shall advance to
the semi-final round; the remaining two entrants will be eliminated.
D. In the Semifinal round the winners of the Quarter rounds shall
compete. The winning entrants of the Semi-final rounds shall advance
to the final.
E. In the Final round the four best players race; the first place
entrant shall be the winner of the ludi.

VI. Computation of victory.

A. Accidents.

1. Before doing the calculations of a race, the Aediles Plebis
determine who has an accident. For it, they roll one dice 0-100 for
every chariot. The resultant number will be its percentage of
accident:

- The drivers with tactics 1 will have 0 to 15 percentage of accident
always. 0 to 25 if there are one or more drivers with tactics 4 or 5.
- The drivers with tactics 2 will have 0 to 20 percentage of accident
always. 0 to 35 if there are one or more drivers with tactics 4 or 5.
- The drivers with tactics 3 will have 0 to 10 percentage always.
- The drivers with tactics 4 will have 0 to 15 percentage always. 0
to 25 if there are other drivers with tactics 4.
- The drivers with tactics 5 will have 0 to 15 always. 0 to 25 if
there are other drivers with tactics 5.
- The drivers with tactics 6 will have 0 to 5 percentage always. 0 to
20 if there are other drivers with tactics 4 or 5.

B. Calculation of the races.

1. The Aediles Plebis shall determine whether any dirty actions are
successful. If a dirty action is determined to be successful, a
chariot shall be eliminated by lot from among the entrants of the
targeted factio and either declare the driver assassinated or that an
accident caused by sabotage has occurred.

2. After determining which chariots (if any) have been eliminated
from a race due to an accident, the Aediles Plebis must calculate the
order in which the remaining teams finished the race.

3. The Aediles Plebis will roll one die 0-10 for every entrant. This
will be the Value of Race (VR) of every car.

4. To know the final position of a chariot in the race the VR of
every player is divided by the sum of all the VR and the result is
multiplied by 50. This ewstablishes each entrant's Chance to Win
(CW). For example, if there is a race with 4 chariots with these VR:
6,5,4,2 then the first chariot, with the VR 6, would have the
following Chance to to Win: 6/17 (17 is the sum of 6+5+4+2) x 50 =
17.6 (rounding, 18). The CW of the first chariot will be 18 points.
The second chariot, with VR 5, would have 5/17x50 = 14.7 (rounding,
15), therefore its CW is 15 points.

5. The tactics modify the CW of the following way:

Tactics 1) +6 points.
Tactics 2) +8 points.
Tactics 3) No points. The tactics 4 and 5 do not affect it.
Tactics 4) +2 points. The tactics 5 do not affect it.
Tactics 5) +2 points. The tactics 4 do not affect it.
Tactics 6) +4 points.

For example, the Aediles Plebis assign each entrant a specific range
of numbers out of a series of 100 that is equal to the entrant's
Chance to Win. They assign these team ranges consecutively. In our
sample race, for example, Chariot 1's range (with tactics 2) would be
01 through 25 (18+7). Chariot 2's range (with tactics 4) would be 26
through 40.

6. In the final step the Aediles Plebis will roll a die 0-100 to
determine the order of finish. The chariot within whose range the
first dice 0-100 roll falls is the team that finishes the race in
first place. The chariot within whose range the second dice 0-100
roll falls is the team that finishes the race in second place. The
chariot within whose range the third D100 roll falls is the chariot
that finishes the race in third place, and so on. Once a chariot's
position has been determined, subsequent rolls that fall within its
range are ignored and the Aediles Plebis roll again.

VII. Automatic computation of results by computer in accordance with
the rules established herein is permitted.

VIII. The edictum takes effect immediately.

Given on March 19 2757, in the year of Consulship of Cn. Salix Astur
and Cn. Equitus Marinus
--


Emilia Curia Finnica
Scriba Araniae Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
Aedilis Plebis

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21533 From: Emilia Finnlund Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: EDICTUM AEDILICIUM II - DESIGNATIO SCRIBAE AEDILIS EMILIAE CURIAE F
EMILIA CURIA FINNICA QUIRITIBUS SPD

EDICTUM AEDILICIUM II - DESIGNATIO SCRIBAE AEDILIS EMILIAE CURIAE FINNICAE

I. In accordance with the Constitution of Nova Roma, I hereby
appoint the following citizen to serve as Scriba Ludorum in my
Officina:

- Caius Curius Saturninus

II. This edictum takes force immediately.

Given on March 19 2757, in the year of Consulship of Cn. Salix Astur
and Cn. Equitus Marinus
--


Emilia Curia Finnica
Scriba Araniae Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
Aedilis Plebis

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21534 From: Emilia Finnlund Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: EDICTUM AEDILICIUM III - DE RATIONE MUNERUM ET VENATIONUM
EMILIA CURIA FINNICA QUIRITIBUS SPD

EDICTUM AEDILICIUM III - DE RATIONE MUNERUM ET VENATIONUM

Gladiatorial Combats and Venationes

There will be two classes of combats:
Gladiatorial Combats and Venationes. The
gladiatorial combats are between gladiators and
the venationes is between gladiators and animals
or animal vs animal. The players can choose two
gladiators, animals or both.

1. Gladiators' types

There are six types of gladiators, inspired by
the gladiators of the imperial epoch. I say
inspired because nowadays we don´t know all the
types of gladiators who existed due to the lack
of information and the confusion about the
armament and protections.

RETIARIUS: His weapon is the net, the trident and
a dagger. His defenses are a protection of arm
(manica), that includes the shoulder.
HOMOPLACHUS: His weapons are a lance and a
dagger. His defenses are a closed crest hull,
circular small shield and metallic shin pads. His
defenses are protection of right arm and he can
take a pectoral plate.
MURMILLO: His weapon is a short sword (gladius).
His defenses are a closed great crest hull,
rectangular big shield (scutum), protection in
right arm and shin pad in left leg.
THRAEX: His weapon is a curved sword (sicca). His
defenses are a closed hull, the crest of the hull
has the shape of faucet, a quadrangular small
shield (parmula), long metallic shin pads up to
the thigh and protection in right arm. SECUTOR:
His weapon is a short sword (gladius). His
defenses are closed smooth hull, rectangular big
shield (scutum), protection in right arm and
legs. Normally fight only against retiarii.
DIMACHAERUS: His weapons are two curved swords
(siccae). His defenses are protections in arms
and legs.

2. Animals´ Types

They are six, as the gladiators.

LION: An african beast of very bad character.
Always hungry. Its bite is mortal and its claws
are a very sharp threat.
LEOPARD: More skilful and beautiful than the
lion. Nevertheless it has the same character and
is very agile.
WILD BOAR: Pure force of the forest. If it gets
angry, nobody is saved. It uses its fangs with
lethal trickery.
BEAR: The bear fasts for months while they are
hibernating. Then its hunger is enormous and it
is very likely that they like the sweaty meat of
the gladiators.
TIGER: It only thinks of eating people. It is
stronger and hungrier than the lion, but it is
afraid to the wild boar.
RHINOCEROS: It is unforseeable, but it´s always angered.

3. Rules of the Gladiatorial Combats and Venationes.

3.1. The players can choose TWO gladiators,
animals or both for taking part in the Ludi.
3.2. The player will have to order the aedilis a
message with the following information: Name of
the gladiator or animal, type of gladiator or
animal and finally the tactics, that he will
choose among these three:
1) "Defensive" tactics. It adds one point, but
the gladiator or animal has 40 % of probabilities
of surviving in case of defeat, because the
public does not like these tactics.
2) "Yourself" tactics. It neither adds nor take
points. 50 % of probabilities of which the public
asks for the death in case of defeat.
3) "Total attack" tactics. It reduced one point,
but the gladiator or animal has 65 % of
probabilities of surviving in case of defeat,
because the public likes these tactics. The
tactics 1 is troublesome for the public, the 2 is
normal and the 3 is flattering for the public.
The tactics of every player are secret and only
the aedilis and the player must know it. The
aedilis and the player will not publicize it
before or after the combats.
3.3. The fitting will be always according to the
order of arrival of the messages to the aedilis
(first vs second, etc ..). Though two players can
ask the aedilis for a combat between their
gladiators if they are in agreement.

4. Classifications

The maximum accepted of gladiators and animals
are 32. The Gladiatorial Combats and Venationes
are separated. In the morning the venationes and
the combats in the evening. But their rules and
calculations are the same. The fights will be
pairs and the eliminating will be constant up to
the great final in each section, Venationes and
Gladiatorial combats.

5. Calculations of the Gladiatorial Combats and Venationes.

5.1. A 1-10 dice is roll for every gladiator or
animal. The result is the number of combat (CN).
Then points are added or reduced on the CN
according to the chosen tactics.

5.2. The CN is modified according to the type of opponent gladiator or animal:

Retiarius versus: Retiarius (0); Thraex (-2);
Murmillo (-1); Dimachaerus (+2); Homoplachus
(+1); Secutor (0); leopard (+1); lion (+1); tiger
(-1); bear (-2); wild boar (-1)

Thraex versus: Retiarius (+2); Thraex (0);
Murmillo (0); Dimachaerus (+1); Homoplachus (-1);
Secutor (-2); leopard (+1); lion (+1); tiger
(-2); bear (-1); wild boar (-1)

Murmillo versus: Retiarius (+1); Thraex (0);
Murmillo (0); Dimachaerus (-2); Homoplacus (+2);
Secutor (-1); leopard (+1); lion (0); tiger (0);
bear (-1); wild boar (+1)

Dimachaerus versus: Retiarius (-2); Thraex (-1);
Murmillo (+2); Dimachaerus (0); Homoplacus (0);
Secutor (+1); leopard (-1); lion (-2); tiger (0);
bear (0); wild boar (+1)

Homoplachus versus: Retiarius (-1); Thraex (+1);
Murmillo (-2); Dimachaerus (0); Homoplachus (0);
Secutor (+2); leopard (-1); lion (+1); tiger
(-1); bear (+1); wild boar (0)

Secutor versus: Retiarius (0); Thraex (+2);
Murmillo (+1); Dimachaerus (-1); Homoplachus
(-2); Secutor (0); leopard (-2); lion (-1); tiger
(+1); bear (+2); wild boar (-1)

Lion vs: Retiarius (-1); Thraex (-1); Murmillo
(0); Dimachaerus (+2); Homoplachus (-1); Secutor
(+1); leopard (+1); lion (0); tiger (-2); bear
(-1); wild boar (+2)

Leopard vs: Retiarius (-1); Thraex (-1); Murmillo
(-1); Dimachaerus (+1); Homoplachus (+1); Secutor
(+2); leopard (0); lion (-1); tiger (-2); bear
(+1); wild boar (+2)

Wild Boar: Retiarius (+1); Thraex (+1); Murmillo
(-1); Dimachaerus (-1); Homoplachus (0); Secutor
(+1); leopard (-2); lion (-2); tiger (+2); bear
(-2); wild boar (0)

Bear: Retiarius (+2); Thraex (+1); Murmillo (+1);
Dimachaerus (0); Homoplachus (-1); Secutor (-2);
leopard (-1); lion (-2); tiger (+1); bear (0);
wild boar (+2)

Tiger: Retiarius (+1); Thraex (+2); Murmillo (0);
Dimachaerus (0); Homoplachus (+1); Secutor (-1);
leopard (+2); lion (+2); tiger (0); bear (-1);
wild boar (-2)

Rhinoceros: The nice rhinoceros does not imply
calculations. It does a roll 1-100. If it is 1-40
the rival escapes hardly to its onslaught,
therefore the rival doesn´t die. If it is 41 to
60 its rival wins incredibly and the gladiator
receives the victory. If it is 61 to 100 its
rival dies gored and squashed.

5.3. The gladiator or animal whose CN modified by
the type of his opponent is the highest is the
winner of the combat. If there is a tie then
nobody wins the combat.

5.4. The spectators of the amphitheatre choose
the destiny of the loser: A 1-100 dice is rolled.
If the defeated one has chosen tactics 1, he has
40 % of probabilities of surviving (1-40). If his
tactics was the 2, he has 50 % (1-50). If his
tactics was the 3 he has 65 % (1-65)

6. Winners

The animal and gladiator winners will receive the
plaudit of all Nova Roma. Their names and that of
his/her owner will remain recorded in the
collective memory of our city and in the web page
of the Ludi.

Given on March 19 2757, in the year of Consulship
of Cn. Salix Astur and Cn. Equitus Marinus
--


Emilia Curia Finnica
Scriba Araniae Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
Aedilis Plebis

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21535 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
---. Thank you. One thing I MUST ask,
> however, is why do some people need to so aggressively attack any
> opinions that differ from their own? When no offense was intended
on
> my part some of you decided to become as offensive as possible.
Thank
> you for the kind welcome.
>
>

*sigh* Since you are new, you have no idea of the 'innocent'
remarks that started all kinds of knock-down drag out fights. Our
last one involved someone making a complaint to Yahoo. Not funny.
People; polytheists, Christians and Jews, are sensitive about
their religion, to propose that someone's god or gods do not exist
will definitely get you in one hot flame war.
which is why everyone jumped on you. Okay?
bene vale in pace deorum,
Sep. Fabia Vera Fausta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21536 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Ammendment I to Consular Edictum: Senate Code of Conduct Commission
Ex Officio Consulis Gnaei Equiti Marini

My Edictum V, dated 13 March, is hereby ammended to include Senator
Caius Marius Merullus as a member of the Senate Code of Conduct
Commission. The edictum remains otherwise unchanged.

The full, as ammended, text follows:


Ex Officio Consulis Gnaei Equiti Marini

EDICTVM CONSVLARE V: Consilium institutionis moralis Senatui creandae
constituens

Establishing a Commission to develop a code of conduct for the Senate


Quoniam Senatus Novae Romae et summum Rei Publicae collegium suasorum
et Novae Romae constitutae rectorum, convenit ut Senatores omnes regulis
excelsis moralibus teneantur. Ergo, consilium consulare Senatorum
institutionis morum Senatui Novae Romae studendae et creandae causa ex
hoc constituitur.

The Senate of Nova Roma being both the premier advisory body of the
Republic and the Board of Directors of NovaRoma Incorporated, it is
appropriate that all Senators shall be held to high standards of
conduct. Therefore, a consular commission of Senators is hereby
established for the study and creation of a Code of Conduct for the
Senate of Nova Roma.

I. Ex hoc, Senatores sequentes Consilio Consulari de Institutione
Morali Senatui destinantur:

I. The following Senators are hereby appointed to the Consular
Commission on a Senate Code of Conduct:

Patricia Cassia
Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Quintus Fabius Maximus
Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens
Caius Marius Merullus

II. Hoc Consilium Consulare institutiones morales Senatuum aliorumque
similium nunc exsistantium quibus ius et legum scribendarum in patriis
Europaeis Americanisque inspiciet, et quas talium patriarum
collegiorumque negotiorum qualium Consilium idoneas existimet.

II. This Consular Commission shall examine the ethical codes of
existing legislative bodies in modern European and American nations, and
such other nations and corporations as the Commission may consider
appropriate.

III. Secundum hoc studium, Institutio Moralis Senatui Novae Romae
creabitur ut Senatui praebeatur et Senatus consultu adsciscatur.

III. Based on this study, a Code of Conduct for the Senate of Nova Roma
shall be developed for presentation to the Senate and adoption by
Senatus consultum.

IV. Magister Consili Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens erit.

IV. The Commission shall be chaired by Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens.

V. Licet Magistro Consili participes Consili talibus negotiis internis
destinare qualibus necessariis ad certum faciendum ut Consilium
rectissime administretur.

V. The Commission Chair may appoint members of the Commission to such
internal tasks as may be necessary to insure the optimal operation of
the Commission.

VI. Magister Consili praeiudicium ante Kalendas Iunias, et
renuntiationem ultimam ante Kalendas Septembres Consuli Gnaeo Equitio
Marino providebit. Renuntiatio ultima Senatus consultum commendatum
continebit, et unam vel plures opiniones partis minoris habeat, si
delecti ad haec non inter se una voce conveniant.

VI. The Commission Chair shall provide a preliminary report to Consul
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus not later than the Kalends of Iunius, and a
Final Report not later than the Kalends of Septembris. The Final Report
shall include a recommended Senatus Consultum, and may also include one
or more minority opinions in the event that the members of the
commission do not reach consensus.

Hoc edictum statim valet.

This edict is effective immediately.

Datum sub manu mea ante diem tertium Idus Martias, MMDCCVII A.V.C.

Given under my hand this 13th day of March, 2757 ab urbe condita
(Ammended 19 March, 2757 auc)

Gnaeo Salice Asturi Gnaeo Equitio Marino consulibus.

In the consulship of Gnaeus Salix Astur and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21537 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
A. Apollonius Cordus to Steve, and to all his
fellow-citizens and peregrines, greetings.

I understand your frustration, and I hope you won't be
discouraged from expressing yourself freely. If I
might give a little advice without sounding
patronizing, I'd say, remember that a forum in which
one can express oneself freely is also one in which
others may freely react to what one says in whatever
way they please. This community embraces a very broad
spectrum of views and temperaments, and it's a simple
fact of life here that for almost any opinion worth
expressing there will be at least one person who will
hold the opposite opinion and at least one other
person who thinks the whole discussion is
inappropriate. One of them may even be right.

There are three principal strategies for coping in
this forum. One is to say nothing at all that might be
controversial: this is in a way the safest, but it
deprives others of the benefit of your thoughts and
knowledge. Another is to be blunt and speak your mind
in unvarnished phrases; but if you choose this route
you must be prepared for some to react bluntly and
strongly and for others to reprimand you for your lack
of tact. The third way, which I try to pursue, is to
say not everything that comes into your head but only
what hasn't yet been said and deserves to be said, and
to say it as gently and diplomatically as possible;
this is tiring, as saying something gently and
diplomatically takes about three times as many words
and five times as much thought as saying it bluntly.

It takes a while to find a comfortable balance; and it
takes a while to work out whose opinions you value and
whom you can offend or upset without giving two hoots
(if anyone). Good luck finding your style - I hope
you don't choose the 'say-nothing' option, but if that
suits you best, well, there we are.





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21538 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
A. Apollonius Cordus to all his fellow-citizxens and
peregrines, greetings.

The subject-line reminded me of a nice bit of
word-play from Neil Gaiman's 'Sandman' series which on
the spur of the moment I feel like sharing with you -

'beware the march of ideas'.


(Sometimes I do allow myself to say things that don't
really need to be said.)





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21539 From: Patricia Cassia Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: tax payments by check
I have deposited all of the tax checks received to date, so those of
you who are waiting for your checks to clear will not have much further
to go.

Cassius and I leave Monday for a visit to Britannia Antiqua. I will
handle any further tax payments after we return April 1.

By the way, when I dropped off a stack of checks made out to Nova Roma,
the bank teller ended the transaction with a cheery "Thank you, Nova!"

-----
Patricia Cassia
Senatrix et Sacerdos Minervalis
Nova Roma . pcassia@...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21540 From: Decimus Antoninius Aquilius Date: 2004-03-19
Subject: Quinquatrus and a store
Avete Omnes! Hope you're all doing well on this first
day of the Quinquatrus! Check out this place I found:

www.romegiftshop.com

It's got lots of good roman stuff, including a tuba!

Valete!




=====
Decimus Antoninius Aquilius

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21541 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: EDICTUM AEDILICIUM DE CIRCENSIBUS FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE
EDICTUM AEDILICIUM DE CIRCENSIBUS FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE
(AEDILICIAN EDICT CONCERNING THE CIRCUSES OF THE FERIA QUINQUATRIAE)

I. In light of the entry of only five contestants in the ludi
circenses of the Feria Quinquatriae the rules of the ludi circenses
shall be altered for the Quinquatria only.

II. The quarterfinal round will be suspended and entrants shall
proceed directly to the semifinal round. Two semi-final races shall
be held with the assignment of entrants to each race being by lot,
three entrants in the first, two entrants in the second. The first
place finisher in each of these races shall advance to the final round.

III. No other changes in the rules shall be made.

IV. This edictum takes effect immediately.

Given on ante diem XIV Kalendae Aprilis in the consulship of Cn. Salix
Astur and Gn. Equitius Marinus.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21542 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: ante diem XIII Kalendae Aprilis -- Feria Quinquatriae
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem XIII Kalendae Aprilis; the day is comitialis and
the Feria Quinquatriae. On the second day of the quinquatria, munera
were held in honour of Minerva as a Goddess of war; Ovid (_Fasti_,
3.13-14) reports:

But the next and the three days following are celebrated on the sand
of the arena:
by naked blades the warlike Goddess is made happy.

Tomorrow is ante diem XII Kalendae Aprilis; the day is comitialis and
the Feria Quinquatriae. The third day of the Quinquatria was consumed
with honouring Minerva as the patroness of arts, sciences, and
industries as well as further munera. Ovid reports (_Fasti_, 3.815-48):

Now boys and young girls worship Pallas;
who shall placate Pallas, shall be taught.
Having placated Pallas, girls may learn to soften wool and spin well.
She also teaches them to run the shuttle through the warp and tighten
the weave with a comb.
Nor will anyone make shoes well without having summoned
Pallas, that he may be permitted to be more skillful than the late
Tychius:
And it is permitted as to ancient Epeus
earlier that in his hands he may be crippled by an angry Pallas.
And you also who by Phoebic art drive out illness,
offer a little from your gifts to the Goddess.
You masters, defrauded of your property by the untamed mob,
do not cease to honour Her who will again bring you new apprentices,
and you who move heaven, and burn the picture with colours,
and you the sculptor who teaches soft stone with your hand.
The Goddess is of works: surely the Goddess is that of poetry;
if I have merit, may my Patroness be present in my pursuits.
From the height at which the Caelian mount descends to the plain,
here, where it is not flat, but near the flat way,
you can see the small shrine of Minerva Capta,
which was dedicated on the Goddess' birthday.
The reason for the name is in doubt. We call "capital"
a clever genius; She is the Goddess of genius.
Or because it is said that from the top of the head of her father
without a mother she leapt with her shield?
Or because, after we conquered the Falisci, to us
She came captured? And by this sign the ancient book teaches.
Or because there is the law, which orders to pay with capital
punishment thefts undertaken in this shrine?
From whatever account you derive the words, Pallas,
always hold your aegis over our leaders.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21543 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: The Foundation and Loss of the Royal and Serapeum Libraries of Alex
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Here's a link to "The Foundation and Loss of the Royal and Serapeum
Libraries of Alexandria":

http://www.bede.org.uk/Library2.htm

This essay by James Hannam provides a scholarly guide to facts and
myths associated with the destruction of the great library of Alexandria.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21544 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: Report of Caerimonia Feriae Quinquatrus
Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix Quiritibus S.P.D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Yesterday, XIV Kal. Apr. (March 19th) was the feria of the Quinquatria,
sacred to Dea Minerva.

As Minerva Templi Sacerdotes, to observe this feria I performed the
following caerimonia:

I bathed in preparation, then, garbed in toga praetexta, cinctu Gabino,
capite velato, I began the praefatio.

Praefatio

"Iane pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novorum Romanorum Quiritum [Father
Ianus, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you
may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People of the Nova
Romans, the Quirites"]. I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti
sies volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novorum Romanorum
[Iuppiter Best and Greatest, by offering this incense to you I pray good
prayers, so that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate
and People of the Nova Romans, the Quirites"]. I placed incense in the
focus of the altar.

"Iuno Dea, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitia mihi et Senatui Populoque Novorum Romanorum Quiritum [Goddess
Iuno, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you
may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People of the Nova
Romans, the Quirites"]. I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novorum Romanorum Quiritum [Father
Mars, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you
may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People of the Nova
Romans, the Quirites.]" I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Quirine pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novorum Romanorum Quirites
[Father Quirinus, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers,
so that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People
of the Nova Romans, the Quirites.]" I placed incense in the focus of the
altar.

"Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Ianus, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the focus
of the altar.

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene
precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Iuppiter Best
and Greatest, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were
well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I
poured a libation on the focus of the altar.

"Iuno Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem
rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Goddess Iuno, as by offering to you
the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be
honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the focus of the
altar.

"Mars pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Mars, as by offering to
you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this
be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the focus of
the altar.

"Quirine pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Quirinus, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the
sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on
the focus of the altar.

I washed my hands in preparation for the praecatio.

Precatio

"Minerva Sapientissima, fons fluens artium et artificiorum et scientiae
sapientiaeque, ad defensionem Senatus Populique Novorum Romanorum
Quiritum salias perinde ac a capite Iovis armata copiose saluisti; tibi
fieri oportet culignam vini dapi, eius rei ergo hac illace dape
pullucenda esto [Most Wise Minerva, flowing font of arts, crafts,
knowledge, and wisdom, may you leap to the defence of the Senate and
People of the Nova Romans, the Quirites, just as you leapt fully armed
from the head of Iuppiter; to you it is proper for a cup of wine to be
given, for the sake of this thing may you be honoured by this feast
offering]." I poured a libation on the focus of the altar.

Again I washed my hands in preparation for the redditio.

Redditio

"Minerva Sapientissima, Regina Aventina, a quo omnes res bonas mentis et
manus accipimus, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio
esto [Most Wise Minerva, Aventine Queen, from whom we receive all good
things of mind and hand, may you be honoured by this feast offering, may
you be honoured by the humble wine.]" I offered Minerva Sapientissima
cakes and wine on the focus of the altar.

"Quirine pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Quirinus, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the
sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on
the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Mars, as by offering to
you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this
be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the focus of
the altar.

"Iuno Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem
rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Goddess Iuno, as by offering to you
the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be
honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the focus of the
altar.

"Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Ianus, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the focus
of the altar.

"Vesta Dea, custos ignis sacri, macte vino inferio esto [Goddess Vesta,
guardian of the sacred fire, be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured
a libation on the focus of the altar.

"Illicet [It is permitted to go.]"

I profaned wine and cakes, and I partook of the epulum with Minerva
Sapientissima, praying as I ate and offering libations in my private
devotions.

Piaculum

Since the historical caerimonia of the feria of Quinquatria has not yet
been recovered, I offered a piaculum to Minerva Sapientissima if
anything in this caerimonia should offend her:

"Minerva Sapientissima, si quidquam tibi in hac caerimonia displicet,
hoc ture veniam peto et vitium meum expio [Most Wise Minerva, if
anything in this ceremony is displeasing to you, with this incense I ask
forgiveness and expiate my fault.]" I offered incense on the focus of
the altar.

"Minerva Sapientissima, si quidquam tibi in hac caerimonia displicet,
hoc vino inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio [Most Wise Minerva, if
anything in this ceremony is displeasing to you, with this humble wine I
ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.]" I poured a libation on the focus
of the altar.

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix
Minerva Templi Sacerdotes et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21545 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: Feria of the Quinquatria
Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix Quiritibus S.P.D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Yesterday, XIV Kal. Apr. (March 19th) began the feria of the
Quinquatria, sacred to Dea Minerva.


The Quinqautrus is a Feriae[1]
<http://www.novabritannia.org/Festivals%20and%20Holidays.htm#_ftn1> of
Mars and Minerva which took its name from the fact it fell on the fifth
day after the Ides of Martius[2]
<http://www.novabritannia.org/Festivals%20and%20Holidays.htm#_ftn2>, and
later because it became a holiday lasting five days, from the 19th -
23rd of Martius. It was primarily a festival of Mars, famous for the
ritual dance of the Salii, the leaping priests of Mars, held every year
on this day in the Comitium[3]
<http://www.novabritannia.org/Festivals%20and%20Holidays.htm#_ftn3>
before the Pontiffs and Tribunes of the Celeres[4]
<http://www.novabritannia.org/Festivals%20and%20Holidays.htm#_ftn4>. The
Salii, dressed in archaic bronze armor, would perform their sacred dance
to purify the Ancilia[5]
<http://www.novabritannia.org/Festivals%20and%20Holidays.htm#_ftn5>, the
twelve sacred shields of Mars, and by extension all of the arms and
armor of the Roman Army. This signified the start of the traditional
campaign season for the Army.

It was also a day sacred to the Goddess Minerva, being the anniversary
of the founding of her Temple on the Aventine[6]
<http://www.novabritannia.org/Festivals%20and%20Holidays.htm#_ftn6>
Hill. The temple stood outside the pomerium[7]
<http://www.novabritannia.org/Festivals%20and%20Holidays.htm#_ftn7>, and
the exact year of its construction is unknown, though it is first
mentioned during the time of the Second Punic War (218-202 BCE). In
keeping with the Roman custom of Temples serving purposes other than
those specifically religious, the Aventine Temple was used as the
headquarters of a writer's and actor's guild.

As Minerva was the patroness of the Arts, Crafts and Wisdom, the
Quinquatra was especially popular among artists and artisans, teachers
and doctors. Ovid tells us in his /Fasti:/

/"To Pallas now pray, boys and delicate girls.
Whoever appeases Pallas will be skilled in his craft.
When Pallas has been appeased, girls will learn
to card wool and unload full distafffs.
She also teaches how to run the shuttle though the warp
and she packs the lose work with the reed.
Worship Her, you who remove spots from soiled clothing.
Worship her, whoever prepares dye-vats for wool.
No one will be a good cobbler against the will of Pallas,
be he clever than Tychius who made //Ajax/ /his shield.
And be his hands a match for Epeus of the Trojan Horse,
if Pallas is angry, a carpenter will be all thumbs.
You, too who drive of diseases with Apollo's skill,
bring the Goddess a few gifts from your fees.
Teachers, don't you despise her either, despite your lost income
on this school holiday (she recruits new pupils),
and you who employ the burin, or paint encaustic pictures,
or make stones plastic with your skillful hands.
The Goddess of a thousand crafts, she is surely a Goddess of poetry.
If I deserve it, may she befriend my endeavors."/

Minerva also had temples on the Esquiline and Caelian Hills, as well as
sharing the Temple of Iupiter Optimus Maximus with the others of the
Capitoline Triad, Iupiter and Iuno. The first day of Quinquatrus was
free of bloodshed (according to Ovid), though the remaining four days
were celebrated with games.

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[1]
<http://www.novabritannia.org/Festivals%20and%20Holidays.htm#_ftnref1>
Festival
[2]
<http://www.novabritannia.org/Festivals%20and%20Holidays.htm#_ftnref2>
the fifth day after the Ides of March using the Roman inclusive method
of reckoning
[3]
<http://www.novabritannia.org/Festivals%20and%20Holidays.htm#_ftnref3> a
place of assembly in the Roman Forum
[4]
<http://www.novabritannia.org/Festivals%20and%20Holidays.htm#_ftnref4> a
ceremonial remnant of Rome 's earliest cavalry, possibly the King’s
bodyguards during the Real Period
[5]
<http://www.novabritannia.org/Festivals%20and%20Holidays.htm#_ftnref5>
the Ancilia, were 12 archaic “figure-8” shields sacred to Mars and
normally stored in the Regia. According to legend the true Ancile fell
from the sky as a sign from Mars. The legendary smith, Mamurius Veturius
then made 11 copies to allegedly protect the original from theft.
[6]
<http://www.novabritannia.org/Festivals%20and%20Holidays.htm#_ftnref6>
the Aventine was one of the famed seven hills of Rome , which also
include the Capitoline , Palatine , Quirinal , Viminal , Esquiline , and
Cailean Hills.
[7]
<http://www.novabritannia.org/Festivals%20and%20Holidays.htm#_ftnref7>
The pomerium is the symbolic religious boundary of a city or town,
traditionally the space just outside the walls. Rome ’s pomerium was
shifted several times as the city grew.


Fore more information please visit the Online Temple of Minerva at
www.novabritannia.org/temple.htm

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix
Minerva Templi Sacerdotes et Pontifex me ’s pomerium was shifted several
times as the city grew.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21546 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: Interview the Expert!
AVETE CIVES

Our actual Expert is Prof. A. Cristofori; he will answer to our
questions about "Roman Italy": the Republican conquest of Italy, his
organization and administration and his evolution during the Empire.

Prof. A. Cristofori is an History Professor of Bononia University,
and has done many publications about Roman Egypt, Roman Italy, Roman
Spain, Chartago and epigraphy.

All your questions should be sent to my email addresses:
21aprile@... or iulius@...

Now just give a look to our page:
http://www.novaroma.org/expert/index.htm

This project is organized by Academia Italica.

VALETE!
L IUL SULLA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21547 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: Edictum Propraetoricium II- appointment of Legatus and Scriba Propr
Ex Officio Diana Octavia Aventina Propraetor Gallia

Edictum Propraetoricium II

Provincia Gallia has the uniqueness of covering 3 different countries which consists of two
entirely different languages. In order to serve our current and future citizens better, the
following changes are hereby implemented:

Lucius Rutilius Minervalis is hereby released from his duties as Scriba Propraetoris. That said, I
am happy to announce that Lucius Rutilius Minervalis is hereby appointed as Legate of Provincia
Gallia. His main focus will be France, where he will have full decision making authority in that
area.

Gaius Laelius Pertinax is hereby appointed as Scriba Propraetoris. His duties will be mainly the
Nova Roma Gallia website and helping with English-Dutch translations.

We will all work together to achieve our one and only goal: to build up this Province for the
betterment of the citizens of Gallia and our new Republic.

This edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given March 20, in the year of the consulship of Gnaeus Salix Astur and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
2757 AUC.

Diana Octavia Aventina
Propraetor Gallia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21548 From: Decimus Iunius Silanus Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Salve Steve,

Do not make the mistake of thinking that the vocal few
you have encountered speak for the majority of Nova
Romans. Unfortunately we have our fair share of self
appointed censors who only seem to post when it is to
jump on the comments of others.

You watch, it'll be my turn now ;-)

Welcome to Nova Roma.

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus


---------------------------------
OK. You know, it was just something that popped up
when I posted the
thing. I could'nt care about it one way or the other,
honestly. It
was just something that naturally rolled because of
the nature of the
post. I can't believe this! Now I feel like I should
just sit in the
corner coloring in my coloring book and not bother the
nice people.
Free Speech, my ***. You need not worry. I will cease
posting
anything unless I have at least 99% of public opinion
behind me.
Excuse me, I have a market research group to round up.


Happy Homogenized Society!
Steve

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caius Minucius
Scaevola <ben@c...>
wrote:
> Salve, Lucius Arminius Faustus; salve, Steve.
>
> On Tue, Mar 16, 2004 at 07:44:39PM -0000, Lucius
Arminius Faustus
wrote:
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Steve"
<lucius0junius0brutus@y...>
> > wrote:
> >
> > "...there is actually very little evidence of the
existence of
Jesus.
> > No offense to any Christians out there"
> >
> > Sure not!!! Who would fell offended by saying
their god doesn´t
> > exist?!! I don´t see nothing to be offended!!! You
see?! Sure
not, no
> > one see!!! >:(
> >
> > "I always found a lot of holes in Christian and
Biblical history
(Not
> > unlike the holes in what I just proposed...). "
> >
> > Congratulations! So, don´t forget to keep them to
yourself!
> >
> > "Just a discussion topic."
> >
> > No problem at all. When you find a list of people
interested on
this
> > subject, you can discuss it until be satisfied!
> >
> > And may Respect and Concordia have mercy of us
all!
>
> Indeed. Steve, I would _strongly_ suggest that you
reconsider -
several
> times over, perhaps - the "topics" that you propose
for discussion
in
> this forum. Attacking the core principles of
someone's religion -
and
> saying "no offense" does not magically make it true
- and proposing
that
> a monarchy "may not be a bad thing" in a group that
is trying to
> recreate *Republican* Roma with its hatred of kings
are not things
that
> will result in rational discourse. They may, and
usually do, result
in
> flames.
>
> There's an excellent reason for the Usenet standard
of reading a
group
> for a minimum of two weeks before posting, and
learning what the
> incendiary topics - besides the universal "guns,
rape, and religion"
> topics - may be. You, sir, are treading in dangerous
waters.
>
>
> Vale,
> Caius Minucius Scaevola
>
-=-=-=-=-=o0o=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=o0o=-=-=-=-
=-
> Duo cum faciunt idem, non est idem.
> When two do the same thing, it isn't the same (i.e.
one can get
away with doing
> something while another cannot).
> -- Terence, "Adelphoe". Cf. "quod licet Iovi, non
licet bovi."



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21549 From: Caius Minucius Scaevola Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Salvete, omnes -

On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 12:39:36PM +0000, Decimus Iunius Silanus wrote:
> Salve Steve,
>
> Do not make the mistake of thinking that the vocal few
> you have encountered speak for the majority of Nova
> Romans. Unfortunately we have our fair share of self
> appointed censors who only seem to post when it is to
> jump on the comments of others.

We also have our share of snippy commentators who just can't bear to
keep their mouths shut whenever there's a chance for a cheap shot -
whatever the subject or the issue. Quite the place, Nova Roma.

> You watch, it'll be my turn now ;-)

Do you think so? Why, Deci Iuni, the paragon of virtue and pleasant
person that you are, who would _ever_ say anything about *you*?


Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=o0o=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=o0o=-=-=-=-=-
Magna vis veritatis quae facile se per se ipsa defendat.
Great is the power of truth that can easily defend itself with its own force.
-- N/A
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21550 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: Juliana RIP
Ambrosius Celetrus Quiritibus S.P.D.

"And death shall have no dominion.
No more may gulls cry at their ears
Or waves break loud on the seashores;
Where blew a flower may a flower no more
Lift its head to the blows of the rain;
Through they be mad and dead as nails,
Heads of the characters hammer through daisies;
Break in the sun till the sun breaks down,
And death shall have no dominion"

Dylan Thomas

My condolences to the citizens of Gallia on the passing of the Queen
Mother
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21551 From: Lucius Rutilius Minervalis Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: Oath of Office
Ego, Lucius Rutilius Minervalis (Pierre-Jean Tuloup) hoc ipso facto
sollemniter IVRO Novae Romae decus defendere et semper pro Novae Romae
Populo atque Senatu agere. Ut Novae Romae magistratus ego Lucius
Rutilius Minervalis (Pierre-Jean Tuloup) Romae deos deasque colere
IVRO in omnibus publicae vitae temporibus atque Romanas virtutes et
publica et privata vita persequi.

Ego Lucius Rutilius Minervalis (Pierre-Jean Tuloup) Romanam religionem
favere et defendere IVRO ut Novae Romae Reipublicae religionem et
numquam agere ita ut eius status publicae religionis aliquid
detrimenti capiat. Praeterea ego Lucius Rutilius Minervalis
(Pierre-Jean Tuloup) IVRO quam optime fungi officium muneris Galliae
Provinciae Legati.

Meo Novae Romae civis honore et coram Populi Romani deis atque deabus
et eorum voluntate et favore, munus Galliae Provinciae Legati ACCIPIO
una cum iuribus, privilegiis. munera atque officia quae meum munus
comportat.

In Gallia Provincia, ante diem XIII Kal. Apriles, anno MMDCCLVII A.V.C.

============================================================================
=============================================================================
============

I, Lucius Rutilius Minervalis (Pierre-Jean Tuloup) do hereby solemnly
swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Lucius Rutilius Minervalis
(Pierre-Jean Tuloup), swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in
my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and
private life.

I, Lucius Rutilius Minervalis (Pierre-Jean Tuloup) swear to uphold and
defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear
never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State
Religion.

I,Lucius Rutilius Minervalis (Pierre-Jean Tuloup) swear to protect and
defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Lucius Rutilius Minervalis (Pierre-Jean Tuloup) further swear to
fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Legate
of Provincia
Gallia to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Legate of Provincia Gallia and all the rights,
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Given this day March 20th, 2757 in the Consulship of Gnaeus Salix
Astur and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus.

============================================================================
=============================================================================
=============

Moi, soussigné Lucius Rutilius Minervalis (Pierre-Jean Tuloup) jure
solennellement de soutenir l'honneur de Nova Roma et d'agir toujours
au mieux des intérêts du peuple et du Sénat de Nova Roma.

En tant que magistrat de Nova Roma, moi, Lucius Rutilius Minervalis
(Pierre-Jean Tuloup) jure d'honorer les Dieux et Déesses de Rome dans
mes relations publiques et d'adopter les Vertus Romaines dans ma vie
privée aussi bien que publique.

Moi, Lucius Rutilius Minervalis (Pierre-Jean Tuloup) jure de soutenir
et défendre la Religion Romaine en tant que Religion d'Etat de Nova
Roma et jure de ne jamais agir d'une façon qui menacerait son statut
de Religion d'Etat.

Moi, Lucius Rutilius Minervalis (Pierre-Jean Tuloup) jure de soutenir
et défendre la Constitution de Nova Roma.

Moi, Lucius Rutilius Minervalis (Pierre-Jean Tuloup) jure en outre de
remplir les obligations et les responsabilités de la fonction de Légat
de la Province de Gallia du mieux dont je suis capable.

Sur mon honneur de Citoyen de Nova Roma, et en présence des Dieux et
Déesses du peuple Romain, et par leur volonté et bienveillance,
j'accepte le poste de Légat de la Province de Gallia et tous les
droits, privilèges, obligations et responsabilités qui s'y attachent.

Serment prêté ce jour, le 20 Mars 2757, sous le consulat de Gnaeus
Salix Astur et de Gnaeus Equitius Marinus.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21552 From: Alexander Probus Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: Slovak translation of Consular Edictum on Taxes
Salvete Obcania provincie Pannonia,

Salvete Citizens of Pannonia

Dalej nasleduje Edikt Konzula za rok MMDCCLV Gneus Equitius Marinus
ohladne platieb dane a registracie ako platicov dani.


Ex Officio Consulis Gnaei Equiti Marini
EDICTVM CONSVLARE A GNAEO EQVITIO MARINO II: EDICTVM VECTIGALE

Secundum Senatus consultum mense Novembre anno MMDCCLV A.V.C. iussum,
<http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2002-11-09-results.html>,
pretium vectigalium anno MMDCCLVII ex hoc statuo.
Pursuant to the Senatus consultum passed in November of 2755 auc,
<http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2002-11-09-results.html>
I hereby establish the tax rates for 2757.

1. Danove sadzby pre jednotlive krajiny za rok 2757 od zalozenia
Mesta /2004 n.l./ su uvedene v nasledujucej tabilke. Krajiny zahrnute
v provinciach su uvedene ako prve v poradi provincii. Ostatne
krajiny su nasledne vymenovane v abecednom poradi.

Tax rates for 2757 are set according to the values in the following
table. Countries within existing provinces are listed first in order
of province, followed by countries without provinces in alphabetical
order.


TABVLA PRETIORVM VECTIGALIVM ANNO MMDCCVII A.V.C.
TAX RATE TABLE FOR 2757 ab urbe condita
Danove sadzby za rok 2757 od zalozenia Mesta

Tax Amount in Tax
Amount
Macronation Provincia Local Currency in USD
Krajina Provincia Vlastna mena Celkom
v USD
======================================================================
====
United States America Austroccidentalis 12.00 USD 12.00
United States America Austrorientalis 12.00 USD 12.00
United States America Boreoccidentalis 12.00 USD 12.00
United States America Medioccidentalis Sup. 12.00 USD 12.00
Argentina Argentina
10.00 ARS 3.48
Israel Asia Occidentalis
30.00 ILS 6.83
Turkey Asia Occidentalis 3330000.00
TRL 2.44
Korea, South Asia Orientalis 7700.00
KPW 6.51
Philippines Asia Orientalis
85.00 PHP 1.54
Japan Asia Orientalis
1020.00 JPY 9.62
Singapore Asia Orientalis 14.00
SGD 8.28
Malaysia Asia Orientalis 11.00
MYR 2.89
Australia Australia
12.00 AUD 9.30
Brazil
Brasilia 7.00
BRL 2.46
United Kingdom Britannia 5.00
GBP 9.09
United States California 12.00
USD 12.00
Canada Canada Occidentalis 13.00 CAD
10.16
Canada Canada Orientalis 13.00
CAD 10.16
Belgium
Gallia 8.00 EUR
10.26
France
Gallia 7.00
EUR 8.97
Netherlands
Gallia 7.00 EUR
8.97
Switzerland Germania
13.00 CHF 10.57
Austria
Germania 7.00 EUR
8.97
Germany Germania
7.00 EUR 8.97
Ireland
Hibernia 8.00 EUR
10.26
Portugal
Hispania 5.00 EUR
6.41
Spain
Hispania 6.00 EUR
7.69
Italy
Italia 7.00
EUR 8.97
United States Lacus Magni 12.00
USD 12.00
United States Mediatlantica 12.00
USD 12.00
Mexico Mexico
32.00 MXN 2.95
United States Nova Britannia 12.00
USD 12.00
Czech Republic Pannonia 0.00 CZK 5.13
Hungary Pannonia 930.00 HUF 4.44
Slovakia Pannonia 132.00 SKK 4.13
Ukraine Sarmatia 8.00
UAH 1.50
Russia Sarmatia 94.00
RUR 3.23
Sweden Thule
62.00 SEK 8.68
Denmark Thule 56.00
DKK 9.59
Finland Thule
7.00 EUR 8.97
Iceland Thule 700.00
ISK 10.04
Norway Thule 75.00
NOK 11.06
Poland Venedia 12.00
PLN 3.27

Albania
155.00 ALL 1.47
Andorra
5.00 EUR 6.41
Armenia 645.00
AMD 1.20
Bosnia and Herzegovina 1.00 BAM 0.55
Bulgaria
3.00 BGN 1.96
Chile 1900.00
CLP 3.37
China
13.00 CNY 1.57
Colombia 5600.00
COP 2.04
Costa Rica 1160.00
CRC 2.77
Croatia
20.00 HRK 3.32
Greece
5.00 EUR 6.41
Honduras 15.00
HNL 0.84
Macedonia 83.00 MKD
1.70
Morocco 11.00 MAD
1.27
New Zealand 10.00 NZD
6.80
Nicaragua 11.00
NIO 0.71
Nigeria 41.00
NGN 0.30
Romania 82100.00
ROL 2.53
South Africa 22.00
ZAR 3.34
Uruguay 76.00
UYU 2.63
Venezuela 2900.00
VEB 1.82
Vietnam 12000.00
VND 0.77


2. Termin platby dane je posledny den measiaca april. Dane mozu byt
uhradene neskor s tym, ze bude potrebne zaplatit 50 % pokutu.
Napriklad pre obcana, ktory plati 12 USD to bude 18 USD po termine.

The deadline for remittance of taxes is the last day of April.
Taxes may be remitted after that date, with a penalty of an extra 50%.
For example, a citizen who owes $12 would need to pay $18 after the
deadline.

3. Kazdy spravca provincie je tymto vyziadan uverejnit toto Ediktum
na provinckych forumoch /ak nejake/. Kazdy z oficialnych
prekladatelov Noveho Rima je vyziadan prelozit toto Ediktum na
prislusny jazyk, za ktory je zodpovedny. Priloha Edikta zahrna rady
obcanom ktore by mali byt tlmocene obcanom.

Each provincial governor is required to copy this edict to their
provincial lists (where applicable). Each of Nova Roma's official
Interpreters is required to translate this edict into the language(s)
for which they are responsible. The appendix to this edictum contains
advice to citizens and should be forwarded/translated with the main
document.

Ediktum ma okamzitu platnost.

This edictum is effective immediately.

Podpisany v prvom februarovom dni roku 2757 od zalozenia Mesta pocas
konzulatu Gnea Salixa Astura a Gnea Equitia Marina.

Given under my hand, this First day of February, 2757 ab urbe condita
in the consulship of Gnaeus Salix Astur and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus

PRILOHA - Rady obcanom

APPENDIX - Advice to Citizens

Dane mozu byt zaplatene nasledovnymi sposobmi.

Taxes can be paid in a variety of ways.

Obcania platiaci svoje dane v USD mozu poslat sek, hotovost, order
alebo dalsi rovnocenny sposob platby priamo Noveho Rima na adresu:

Citizens remitting their taxes in US dollars may send a check, money
order, or equivalent form of payment made out to Nova Roma directly
to:

Nova Roma
PO Box 1897
Wells, ME 04090

Ostatni obcania budu potrebovat zakupit si medzinarodny peniazny
order v USD v plnej vyske dane a mozu ho zaslat na uvedenu adresu.
Upozornujem ze transfer individualnych sekov v miestne mene, ktore su
zaslane na adresu Noveho Rima moze stat viac ako je samotna hodnota
platby.

Other citizens will need to purchase an international money order in
US
dollars for the full amount of their taxes and send it to the address
above. Note that individual checks in local currencies sent directly
to
the Nova Roma address will likely cost more to cash than they are
worth.


Niektori spravcovia provincii dobrovolne sa prihlasili ako centralne
zberne miesta dani. Obcania tych provincii mozu zaslat platby
spravcom a potom penize budu odoslane centralnej pokladne jedinou
platbou. Odporucame obcanom kontaktovat spravcov provincii informovat
sa ohladne takejto moznosti.

Some provincial governors have chosen to arrange a central point in
their provinciae to which citizens may remit their taxes so that the
province will only need to make a single payment to the central
treasury. Citizens are encouraged to contact their provincial
governor,
if any, to find out whether their province will be doing this.

Obcania v Europskych provinciach, ktorych spravca nebude zbierat dane
centralne pre provinciu, mozu kontaktovatQvestora Caia Curia
Saturnina (mikko.sillanpaa@...) , ktory moze zariadit
platbu.

Citizens in Europe whose provincial governor has chosen not to act as
a
collection point may contact Quaestor Caius Curius Saturninus
(mikko.sillanpaa@...), in order to arrange payment if they
wish.

Vsetky obcania mozu pouzit servis PayPal. Na web stranke Noveho Rima
je logo, kliknutim na ktoreho mozete uskutocnit platbu. Je to meniaci
sa napis "DONO DARE" a "give to Nova Roma via PayPal" , umiestneny na
hlavnom menu stranky.

All citizens capable of doing so may pay their taxes through the
PayPal
service. There is a link on the Nova Roma Web site's main page for
this. It is the purple image alternately displaying "DONO DARE" and
"give to Nova Roma via PayPal" located beneath the main menu.

Vsetci obcania sa musia presvedcit ze vyplnili svoje plne Rimske
meno, na ktore uskutocnuju platbu. PayPal umoznuje dopisat komentar,
kde mozete poznacit svoje meno/mena. Takymto sposobom zabezpecite ze
budete spravne zaznaceny v zozname platcov dani /Assidui/.

All citizens should be sure to include the full Roman names of all
citizens for whom they are paying with their remittance! PayPal
provides
a comments field when you use it, and you can provide the name(s)
there.
This will ensure that each civis who pays taxes will be properly
enrolled in the Assidui.


Otazky mozu byt adresovane mne (gawne@...) alebo mojmu
Quaestara - Livii Cornelii Hibernii (livia_cornelia_hibernia@...).
Ak uverejnite otazku na hlavnom liste, prosim skopirujte moju adresu
do policka Cc, ubespecit sa ze otazku dostanem.


Questions may be addressed to myself (gawne@...) or my
quaestor, Livia Cornelia Hibernia (livia_cornelia_hibernia@...).
If you post your question to the main list, please Cc my address to
ensure that I see the message.

Konzul Gneus Equitius Marinus

Consul Gneus Equitius Marinus

Prelozil do jazyka Slovenskeho: Alexander I. C. Probus M.

Legatus Pannonia Inferioris

Slovak language translation: Alexander I. C. Probus M.

Legatus Pannonia Inferioris



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21553 From: Alexander Probus Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: Note on taxes payments in Pannonia
Salvete Cives Pannonici,
Zdravim obcanov Pannonie,

Hereby I would like to announce that I am available to assist
citizens of Pannonia on payment taxes by collecting them and sending
by PayPal to the Central Treasury of Nova Roma. All citizens wishing
to use my service, could contact me up to 20 of March. They should
to provide me the amount of taxes in USD or equivalent of local
currency as stated in the table in
the EDICTVM CONSVLARE A GNAEO EQVITIO MARINO II: EDICTVM VECTIGALE.

Citizens should to note their full Roman name and country of
residence /Czeck Republic, Hungary or Slovakia/.

No transfer fee is requested as I shall pay it myself.
I am available by e-mail on zorik@... or GSM: ++421 903 288
693.

Tymto by som chcel oznamit, ze som pripraveny pomoct obcanom Pannonie
s platbami dani, tym ze dane pozbieram od zaujemcov a odoslem do
Centralnej pokladne Noveho Rima. Vsetci obcania, ktory chcu pouzit
moje sluzby poprosim skontaktovat ma do 20/03/2004. Mali by uviest
svoje plne Rimske meno a krajinu pobytu /Ceska Republika, Madarsko
alebo Slovensko/. Platba bude poskytnuta v USD alebo v ekvivalente
narodnej meny podla tabulky danovych sadzieb uvedenej v Edikte II.
Konzula Gnea Equitia Marina. Nepozadujem ziaden poplatok za transfer,
tym ze tento uhradim sam.
Mozete ma kontaktovat na zorik@... alebo GSM: ++421 903 288
693.

Alexander I.C. Probus M.
Legatus Pannonia Inferioris, Senator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21554 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: My condolences to our citizens in the Netherlands
Salvete,

I wish to extend my condolences to all Nova Romans in the Netherlands
on the death of Queen Mother Juliana.

Valete,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21555 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: MUNERA PRIMA FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE -- PART I
It's a very warm spring day for the first munera of the Quinquatria.
This is Q. Corbulus Falco, reporting for you today. We are waiting
for the pompa of the munera to begin here in the wooden amphitheatre
Aedilis Curulis G. Iulius Scaurus has constructed on the Campus
Martius for the munera he will sponsor this year. Most of the
senatorial seats are filled; the consuls arrived just a few minutes
ago. A nice turnout in the Equestrian seats, too, but it's in the
plebeian seats that the place is filled to capacity, the audience
jammed in shoulder to shoulder for the first gladiatorial combats of
the year.

Aedilis Curulis G. Iulius Scaurus and his colleague, M. Iulius
Perusianus, have risen, the trumpets have sounded, and the Porta
Pompae swings open. Musicians emerge first, then a troupe of
acrobats, performing as they circle the amphitheatre. Now the boxers
-- Macro Rodex and Evgenios of Ephesus -- and their attendants.
They'll be fighting while the gladiators warm up. Macro is undefeated
after xvi fights, Evgenios is the rising star of Provincia Asia with
xix victories, also undefeated.

Here come the gladiators. The schools of three lanistae will be
represented today: Phenix, Mactator, and Dalmaticus. As they march
into the arena, the hyrdaulis begins a rousing tune. Most of the
spectators are on their feet, cheering as the brave men who will risk
their lives today for our entertainment circle the arena. The Aediles
Curules take their salute.

The tensae, drawn by fine Andalusian horses, emerge from the Porta
Primae, beaering imagines of the Di Immortales, attended by priests
and their servants. First, Iuppiter Optimus Maximus, then Iuno
Regina, then Quirinus each borne in a tensa circle the arena, halting
at the aedilician box. The attendants bear their imagines to the
aedilician box and Aedilis Curulis G. Iulius Scaurus offers incense
and wine to each in turn. Then the tensa bearing the imago of Minerva
Sapientissima reaches the aedilician box. Again the senior Aedilis
Curulis offers incense and wine to the patroness of these munera.

The probatio armorum begins: the weapons to be used today must be
shown to be arma decretoria -- arms in accordance with the
regulations, sharp and deadly.

The gladiators have left the field to warm up and the boxing match
between Macro Rodex and Evgenios is announced. Macro is the favourite
of the crowd -- many times he has shown his sporting skill in the
arena in Rome. Evgenios of Ephesus has never fought in Rome before,
but his reputation is fearsome. He is reported to have killed an
opponent with a single, opening punch to the head in Pergamum.
Evgenios is almost half a head taller than Macro and both in fine
shape, muscles glistening with a fine layer of oil.

The referee is in place, the boxers ready. The fight is on.

Macro advances with the jab. His jab is classic and has served him
well when matched against taller, stronger opponents. Evgenios
backpedals and circles to the left. Macro's jab fails to connect.
Evgenios continues to fall back and circle as Macro pursues him.
Evgenios has got to throw a real punch soon or the crowd isn't going
to be happy.

Macro leaps forward, throwing a savage upper cut, but Evgenios ducks
and throws a right to Macro's ribs. Macro's hands are slightly too
high. He was expecting a counterpunch to the head. I can hear the
blow impact even above the roar of the crowd. Macro looks more than a
little surprised at the power behind Evgenios' right, but he launches
the uppercut again and connects. Evgenios' head snaps back and he
seems a little wobbly on his feet for a second, but he successfully
retreats from Macro's range, shaking his head as if to say, "Is that
the best you've got?" Macro advances with the jab, but Evgenios
steps, this time to the right, ducks low, and launches a straightarm
to Macro's abdomen. It hits and Macro keeps on coming, stepping to
Evgenios' right and firing a combination of shots to Evgenios' ribs.
There's blood coming from Evgenios' mouth and he spits it at Macro as
he throws a left hook to Macro's ear. Macro tries to duck, and the
blow glances the top of his head as he starts an uppercut low and
lands it in Evgenios' groin. Evgenios drops like a rock. The referee
calls a foul and bends over the crumpled Evgenios who is clutching his
wounded groin. Does he want to continue. Evgenios nods and slowly
rises to walk it out as the referee calls time.

Evgenios is clearly angry as he paces the arena, first slowly, then
faster. He nods to the referee. He is ready. The referee motions
the fighters back to the fight.

The referee has barely moved his hands and Evgenios is after Macro at
the run. Macro plants his feet and takes the onslaught, blocking the
first two blows of Evgenios' combination to his head. He counters
with a roundhouse to Evgenios' temple but misses wide as Evgenios'
ducks and throws an uppercut which lands squarely on Macro's jaw.
Caught flatfooted, Macro lands on his backside in the sand. The crowd
roars in disbelief. The referee begins his count. This is the first
time Macro has been knocked down in xvi fights. Macro sits wide-eyed
in amazement as the referee reaches v, then rises to his feet. The
referee signals and the fight is on again. Almost immediately time is
sounded to end the first round and the fighters return to their
trainers for water and strategising.

Macro looks like some of the fight has been taken out of him by the
knockdown and his trainer isn't happy. I can't tell what he's saying,
but by the way the trainer is gesturing it must be a fairly heated
discussion. Evgenios and his trainer confer, as the trainer rubs his
neck and shoulders.

The referee calls the second round. Evgenios is in pursuit again.
Macro looks unsteady on his feet as he tries to backpedal out of
Evgenios' range. That blow to the jaw and his arse in the sand still
has him a bit stunned even after the timeout. Evgenios looks like
he's just begun to fight, there's no slack in him as he chases Macro
down, unfazed by Macro's defensive jabs. It doesn't look like there's
much power left in those jabs.

Evgenios unloads a rapid combination to Macro's ribs and belly. Macro
still has his hands too high, likely to protect against another blow
to the jaw. He wraps his arms around Evgenios' neck and leans in to
reduce the impact of the blows. The referee tells the fighters to
break. The boos have started from the crowd and they're clearly aimed
at Macro. That sort of holding is most unlike his style.

Evgenios continues to press and Macro continues to retreat. "Podex,"
comes the shout from a spectator, then the chant is taken up by more
and more of the crowd, "Podex. Podex." I suppose with a name like
Rodex that's inevitable if you don't perform according to expectation.
There's a crestfallen look on Macro's face -- it may be the first
time that he's been jeered by the crowd in his career. Evgenios steps
in, looking for the finishing shot, but Macro lunges forward, throwing
a right to the ribs, a left to the ribs, another right, another left,
and yet again another right. I don't know where he's getting the
power for those shots, but they are telling. Evgenios' pulls his
elbows tight to his side to fend off the unexpected onslaught, and as
he does, Macro hurls a savage uppercut between Evgenios' arms. It
connects with Evgenios' chin to the glee of the crowd. Evgenios head
flies straight back, as Macro throws another shot to the side of his
head. That shot barely grazes him in his path to the sand. Evgenios
is flat on his back. He may be out cold. He's not moving. The
referee begins the count. He's still not moving. The referee reaches
v. Evgenios begins to rise to his elbow and falls back. The referee
reaches x and grabs Macro's hand, lifting it above his head. That's
xvii wins for Macro Rodex!

Evgenios' trainer helps him to his feet, blood pouring from his badly
cut lips. The crowd is on their feet cheering Macro. Macro moves
toward his opponent, hand outstretched. Evgenios ignores him and
staggers toward the gate, leaning on his trainer. Not much for
sportsmanship in his first loss, Evgenios of Ephesus has learned that
victory in the provinces doesn't guarantee victory in Rome.

This is Q. Corbulus Falco, reporting. We'll have a brief break and M.
Vitellius Cordus will be bringing you the main events of the munera.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21556 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: MUNERA PRIMA FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE -- PART II
The procession is complete, the boxing finished -- that was a great
come-from-behind win for Macro Rodex -- and with the warm ups done we
are ready for the first event for the day. This is M. Vitellius
Cordus reporting live from the Iulian amphitheatre.

First off to get the crowd in the mood we have to dispatch a Noxius.
Well I wonder who the lot will chose, no doubt a tyro, starting his
journey to the Gates of Life.

There's the annoucement: "Galba of the school of Mactator, secutor
tyro, shall fight Alexandros the Highwayman, noxius condemnatus, to
the death."

Get your bets in now. The fight will began shortly. Remember, first
blood drawn, wins, followed by who will be victorious.

Galba enters the Arena to cheers. He's wearing a silver-lined tunic,
carrying a Samnite shield with a Gladius Hispanicus. He's wearing a
silver helmet, probably tinned bronze. He has the mesh grille down,
doesn't want a lucky swipe to remove a nose I shouldn't wonder.

The Secundus Rudis has entered with the condemened. The poor wrench
is still wearing his ragged chiton. He has a Greek shield called a
pelta, and carries a gladius. He doesn't look quite so ready to fight
a professional as he was to rob and murder a Capuan merchant and his
slaves on the Via Appia.

Both face each other and salute. The Secundus stands behind the
prisoner. The Summa Rudis behind Galba.

Lay on!

Alexandros charges Galba, thrust... parried.... slice parried. The
fighters are moving -- Galba left, Alexandros right. Well that was
anti-climactic. The two circle, Alexandros throws a jab... parried...
slice... parried.

Galba charges! A thrust... fended off by the pelta. Alexandros
backslashes... armor turns it! Alexandros tries to get to Galba's
flank, slice blocked by Galba's shield. The crowd is getting restless...

Alexandros charges again. Shield rush, they are shield to shield...
strike to Alexandros' shoulder... Blood! Habet! First blood to Galba!

Second strike, right through the pelta into the chest! Morte!
Alexandros falls. It's over.

Galba shakes his shield and sword in triumph, you think he just put
down Mactator, the way he's acting. Lets see what our guest lanista,
Audens, says about the fight while they are preparing the sand for the
next fight: "Took way too long. Galba had him after that second parry
he just didn't close the deal."

Why was that?

"I don't know. Might be he wanted to feel him out more. When it
comes to Noxi, you want to get in, and get the kill. There is no
style points for it. Just get in and get that kill. It took way too
long."

Thanks, Audens. Next fight we'll have Carbo of the school of
Mactator, retiarius, XII vix et V stantes missi, and Ahenobarbus of
the school of Phenix, secutor, VI vix et IV stantes missi.

Hmm, a netman against a chaser, should be a good match. Who do you
like Audens?
"Carbo is very quick I saw him fight last week. A Murmillo named
Thax. He took him out by slicing his throat with his knife after
pinning his leg with the trident. Good technique. He'll need it
today, Ahenobarbus is a Gaul, very strong, and has been making a name
for himself in the provinces. Like you said, it should be a good
match. It's too close to call."

Very Good. Bets are on first blood and victory. Bets are returned on
stanes missi. Get your bets in now.

And here comes Ahenobarbus. Wearing red, with a Gallic shield. Two
greaves instead of one. Isn't that unusual, Audens?

"No, Gallic style uses the two in the provinces. Someone forgot to
tell Ahenobarbus he was in Rome. Looks like Carbo's lanista is on his
way to the editor."

Yes, to lodge a protest, no doubt.

Well, the Aedilis Curulis is standing, shakes his head. Looks like
Macator lost. Why Audens?

"Might be that in the compositio Ahenobarbus was specified as a two
greave man.
Macator should have looked more closely."

Ah yes, the rules always get you. Here comes Carbo. Well named. He
is a Numidian in white with silver armor and a golden three prong
trident. He twirls his net. He looks ready.

Here we go. Salute! Lay on! Carbo is on the right, and Ahenobarbus
on the left.

Summa rudis is behind Ahenobarbus, secundus behind Carbo.

Carbo thrusts... blocked! Carbo backs up. Ahenobarbus moves slowly,
watching the net. Very deliberate. Another Carbo thrust misses.
Ahenobarbus moves up slowly, There! No a mock feint, no throw.
Ahenobarbus retreated very quickly though. Carbo has him stumbling
back, There, nope, greave turned it.
Ahenobarbus is watching for an opening. That reach of the trident is
a problem, right Audens?

"Yeah, you have to watch both. As soon you watch one too much, the
other gets you!"

Ahenobarbus is waiting. Carbo lunges, jabs for the eyes Ahenobarbus
ducks... there's the net! Ahenobarbus ducks under it, moves in on
Carbo. Carbo yanks the net back, nearly tripping Ahenobarbus! Carbo
is using the trident to hold Ahenobarbus back. He is fast as you said,
Audens.

"Yep, real fast."

Oops, Ahenobarbus batted the trident away with his shield, and drives
in. Thrust... missed. Carbo brings the trident down on Ahenobarbus'
helmet! That knocked the helmet askew. Hold! Ahenobarbus must
readjust his helmet.

All right we are ready to restart. Lay on!

Thrust from Carbo... missed, and there's the net! Whoa! Just missed!.
Ahenobarbus is backing up out range. The crowd boos. What's this?
Ahenobarbus has discarded his shield! What on earth for?

"Might have broken a strap. If a shield is not secured it'll table.
You don't want a tabling shield when facing a netman. Better to get
rid of it."

But the advantage has shifted, no question to Carbo?

"Oh yeah. It's going to be hard to turn that trident."

All right. Carbo is advancing on Ahenobarbus. He's backing up in
turn. The boos are getting louder. Thrust with a trident... parried,
by the sword, and there's the net! Missed! Ahenobarbus skipped out of
the way. But almost...

"Yeah this fight is almost over."

There's a chant the netman sings doesn't he while he advances? We
can't hear, but could you recite it for us?

"Yeah, when he moves forward the chant is 'Why do you fear me? I but
seek a harmless fish.'"

Ahenobarbus has moved almost to the wall. He's running out of room.
And even if he asked for mercy now, I doubt the crowd would give it to
him.

"Yeah, bad showing by Ahenobarbus."

All right. There's Carbo rushing, there's the net... By all the Gods!
Ahenobarbus has caught it with his sword point and transferred it to
his hand. He just gave it a yank and Carbo is on the ground!

Thrust to the back, Habet, Carbo is wounded. Quarter! First blood
to Ahenobarbus!

Wait! The Summa indicates thumbs turned... What a development! Carbo
is said to be dead!

The crowd erupts! The chant starts! Ahenobarbus! Ahenobarbus!
Ahenobarbus!
What a turn of events. It looked like Carbo was the winner, and now this!

"This shows that a veteran fighter never gives up. And Ahenobarbus
was the stronger of the two."

Are you surprised, Audens?

"No not really. You are taught to grab the net, if all is lost. But
such strength! He dragged Carbo down like he was a hare. And then to
kill! Quick thinking on the part of the Gaul. His worth has just
risen. Greatly."

So what has he to look forward to.

"I expect that he will be matched with one of the top three
gladiators. Some time in the summer. All he has to do is not be
killed and make a fair showing. Even if loses I doubt the crowd would
condemn him based on today's performance."

There will be a short intermission... Hurry back!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21557 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-20
Subject: MUNERA PRIMA FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE -- PART III
This is M. Vitellius Cordus back with you from the Iulian
amphitheatre. The third round of today's munera is about to begin.
It's Paulus of the School of Dalmaticus, dimachaerus, VIII vix,
against Caepio the Latin, of the school of Phenix, secutor, IV vix et
I stantes missi. The fight will be to the second blood. What do you
make of this one, Audens?

"A dimachaerus normally is at a disadvantage with a secutor, but
Paulus is highly skilled and has almost twice the experience of
Caepio. You'll note that today's fight is to the second blood.
That's not an accident. His lanista expects great things of him and
there's a fight being arranged a few months from now which will pit
him against the best in the business. His lanista is taking no
chances he'll miss that big purse. That may make Paulus a little
hesitant today even if it's only to the second blood, and a hesitant
dimachaerus will get into trouble every time. We'll just have to see."

Yes, we will. Bets are on first and second blood. Bets are returned
on stanes missi. Get your bets in now.

Paulus is wearing armor on both arms from wrist to shoulder and a
bronze helmet, grill down. He's carrying two Gladii Hispanici.
Caepio wears the traditional armour of the secutor: a bronze helmet
with two eyeholes, armour on his sword arm, and the ocrea on his left
shin. He's carrying a scutum on the left and will fight with a
Gladius Hispanicus.

Here we go. Lay on! Paulus is on the left and Caepio on the right.

Paulus is wary, standing back... waiting to see which way Caepio
breaks for the pursuit. And Caepio isn't moving. That's strange.

"Corde, that is strange. He should be closing in on the dimachaerus
to take his measure."

Paulus starts circling to Caepio's right... and Caepio pivots on his
heel following him, keeping the distance open. Maybe Paulus' growing
reputation has him spooked. The crowd is murmuring. They didn't come
here to see two grown men audition for the role of Terpsichore in a
ludus scaenicus.

Paulus seems to be testing the waters, he's inching closer to striking
range with every circle around Caepio. If this keeps up, Caepio's
going be dizzy from rotating on his heel.

"It doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Paulus is either very
confident or has grown stupid spiraling in on that secutor. Caepio
can give him his shield all day long, if the crowd doesn't stone him
from boredom."

Suddenly Caepio pushes forward, springing from his back foot... his
shield smacks the gladius in Paulus' right hand... a blow to Paulus'
head... Paulus ducks, parries with his left... then backpedals as
Caepio recovers and advances.

That's more like it. Caepio seems to have remembered where he is and
what he's supposed to do.

"That shot missed Paulus' helmet by a hairsbreadth."

Caepio continues the pursuit... peering over his shield to keep his
eye on Paulus' every move. Paulus begins circling to Caepio's left.
Caepio's shield follows... It's a feign. Paulus suddenly shifts left
to Caepio's right and closes... slicing with the gladius in his left
hand at Caepio's sword hand.

Caepio blocks and parries, but his scutum tables slightly as he moves
to free his blade... Paulus' right sword flashes beneath it as he
whirls to Caepio's left to block a retort with Caepio's own shield.
Blood! Blood trailing down Caepio's orcea! Paulus took him in the
thigh underneath the tabling shield! Habet! First blood to Paulus!

"Caepio's got to keep that scutum down, even when he's parrying low on
the right, or he's in real trouble."

Caepio recovers, but he's limping slightly. He's not happy that
Paulus got under that shield. Paulus continues circling him, just out
of range.

Caepio lunges... Paulus swings hard to bring his right-hand sword over
Caepio's shield and into his head. Capio simultaneously punches with
the scutum... Paulus' sowrd is buried a third of its length into the
side of Caepio's scutum. Paulus blocks high as Caepio swings with
sword... he releases the sword in his right hand... he can't free it
and still avoid Caepio's recovery low... He pivots to Caepio's shield
side to buy some distance. Paulus shifts the gladius to his right hand.

Now that's a change of fortune.

"Yes, it is, Corde. He wasn't expecting that shield-punch at the same
moment he threw the shot."

Caepio steps back, discarding the shield. He can't take the chance
that he'll cut himself with a third of Paulus' gladius stuck in the
side of his scutum the next him he has to cover up, and a bad fall
with that scutum could kill him. It's one sword apiece now, and no
scutum.

"That wound on Caepio's thigh is worse than I thought, Corde. That
gash runs a third of the way around his thigh and it looks deep."

Caepio needs to end this soon the way he's bleeding or this may end up
"to the death" from blood loss.

"That's true..."

Paulus closes the distance between them in two bounds, striking toward
Caepio's injured thigh... Caepio parries low, then strikes on the
backhand at Paulus' chest. Paulus bends almost double to escape the
blow. Caepio raises him sword, aiming to strike at Paulus' exposed
shoulder... but Paulus is quicker... he turns his head to catch the
blow on the edge of his helmet and stabs viciously at Caepio's middle.
Too late Caepio realises his mistake... Paulus buries his sword in
Caepio's intestines. Hoc habet! Second blood to Paulus and, if I'm
not mistaken, it's a kill.

"By Hercules, I hope it's a kill. A gut wound like that... You hope
there's no lingering."

The Summa rudis examines Caepio. He's still alive, but barely. The
Summa rudis looks to Phenix, who nods -- the bout was supposed only to
be to second blood -- then to the Aedilis Curulis... Scaurus jerks
his thumb to his chest... Good call... Paulus places his swordpoint
to Caepio's throat and shoves. It's over.

You know, Audens, the last bout of the day is supposed to to be a
climax, but this bout started too slowly. Caepio just seemed
outmatched.

"You're right, Corde. The Ahenobarbus-Carbo fight was today's
highlight. We can expect a good fight the next time Ahenobarbus is in
the arena."

Well, this is M. Vitellius Cordus, wishing all a good day and hoping
that you'll join us tomorrow for the second munera of the Feria
Quinquatriae."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21558 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: ante diem XII Kalendae Aprilis -- Feria Quinquatriae
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem XII Kalendae Aprilis; the day is comitialis and the
Feria Quinquatriae. The third day of the Quinquatria was consumed
with honouring Minerva as the patroness of arts, sciences, and
industries as well as further munera. Ovid reports (_Fasti_, 3.815-48):

Now boys and young girls worship Pallas;
who shall placate Pallas, shall be taught.
Having placated Pallas, girls may learn to soften wool and spin well.
She also teaches them to run the shuttle through the warp and tighten
the weave
with a comb.
Nor will anyone make shoes well without having summoned
Pallas, that he may be permitted to be more skillful than the late
Tychius:
And it is permitted as to ancient Epeus
earlier that in his hands he may be crippled by an angry Pallas.
And you also who by Phoebic art drive out illness,
offer a little from your gifts to the Goddess.
You masters, defrauded of your property by the untamed mob,
do not cease to honour Her who will again bring you new apprentices,
and you who move heaven, and burn the picture with colours,
and you the sculptor who teaches soft stone with your hand.
The Goddess is of works: surely the Goddess is that of poetry;
if I have merit, may my Patroness be present in my pursuits.
From the height at which the Caelian mount descends to the plain,
here, where it is not flat, but near the flat way,
you can see the small shrine of Minerva Capta,
which was dedicated on the Goddess' birthday.
The reason for the name is in doubt. We call "capital"
a clever genius; She is the Goddess of genius.
Or because it is said that from the top of the head of her father
without a mother she leapt with her shield?
Or because, after we conquered the Falisci, to us
She came captured? And by this sign the ancient book teaches.
Or because there is the law, which orders to pay with capital punishments
thefts undertaken in this shrine?
From whatever account you derive the words, Pallas,
[3, 348] always hold your aegis over our leaders.

Tomorrow is ante diem XI Kalendae Aprilis; the day is nefastus and the
Feria Quinquatriae continues with munera.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21559 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Links
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

A year ago I received Nova Roman citizenship and vowed to Venus
Genetrix that I would post something of use daily to this list in
gratitude for a year. From that came my custom of posting links to
Roman-related sites each day. I fulfilled my vow yesterday, and have
decided to adopt a less rigorous custom. I shall continue to post
from my collection of links, but on a weekly basis rather than every day.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21560 From: Caius Minucius Scaevola Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Re: Links
Caius Minucius Scaevola Gaius Iulius Scaurus S.P.D.

On Sun, Mar 21, 2004 at 06:09:39AM -0000, g_iulius_scaurus wrote:
> G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.
>
> Salvete, Quirites.
>
> A year ago I received Nova Roman citizenship and vowed to Venus
> Genetrix that I would post something of use daily to this list in
> gratitude for a year. From that came my custom of posting links to
> Roman-related sites each day. I fulfilled my vow yesterday, and have
> decided to adopt a less rigorous custom. I shall continue to post
> from my collection of links, but on a weekly basis rather than every day.

Gai Iuli, you certainly have my thanks for your effort. It has been a
highly educational time for me, something I'd looked and hoped for when
I joined Nova Roma. In the process of fulfilling your vow, you've given
me much pleasure and much excellent reference material; if others here
gained as much as I have from your posts, then Nova Roma is definitely
richer for your presence here.


Optime vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Quid rides? Mutato nomine de te fabula narratur.
Why are you laughing? Change the name and the story is about you.
-- Horace, "Satirae"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21561 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: To all Nova Romans in America Austrorientalis
F. Galerius Aurelianus to the civiorum America Austrorientalis s.p.d.

The Senate has spoken and Popillius Laenas has been progated as our
governor. I encourage all citizens and socii to contact him or one
of the legati to let them know what you would like to see happen in
our province. I recently met our governor and he would like to see
active growth and activity in the province.
Two events that are occuring that may be of interest to those living
in the areas of Tennessee, northern Alabama, northern Georgia are the
Pagan Unity Festival VII (paganunityfestival.org) in April. There
will be a class of the Religio Romana conducted and a public ritual.
Also, the Roman Video is still set for the end of October in
Nashville, TN. (www.romanreenactment.com). Both of these events
offer Nova Romans the chance to meet and socialize with others. If
you believe that Nova Roma is only an on-line organization then you
should become active in the province of America Austorientalis.
Valete.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21562 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Re: Links
Salve Scaurus,

I agree with Scaevola 100% when he said: "In the process of fulfilling your vow, you've given
me much pleasure and much excellent reference material; if others here
gained as much as I have from your posts, then Nova Roma is definitely
richer for your presence here."

Here here!
Thank you Scaurus!

Vale,
Diana Octavia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21563 From: octavianusflaviuspompeius Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Re: Links
Salve amici,

I'm sure I speak for us all when I congratulate Gaius on is
commitment to carry out his vow, and willingness to aid many Nova
Romans in their spiritual and academic ventures.

I now look forward to your weekly post :)

Vale.

O. Flavius Pompeius
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21564 From: Lucius Rutilius Minervalis Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Re: Links
Salve Scaurus !

I was always filled with wonder by seeing the number and the quality
of the links you post here. I follow them with great beneficial and
pleasure; thanks again for your great work !

Vale !

Lucius Rutilius Minervalis
Galliae Provinciae Legatus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "g_iulius_scaurus" <gfr@w...> wrote:
> G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.
>
> Salvete, Quirites.
>
> A year ago I received Nova Roman citizenship and vowed to Venus
> Genetrix that I would post something of use daily to this list in
> gratitude for a year. From that came my custom of posting links to
> Roman-related sites each day. I fulfilled my vow yesterday, and have
> decided to adopt a less rigorous custom. I shall continue to post
> from my collection of links, but on a weekly basis rather than every
day.
>
> Valete.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21565 From: asseri@aol.com Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Re: Links
In a message dated 3/21/04 1:09:59 AM US Eastern Standard Time,
gfr@... writes:


> I shall continue to post
> from my collection of links, but on a weekly basis rather than every day.
>
> Valete.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus
>
Salvete
I too wish to speak on this commendable effort. I have used your offerings to
enrich my life and the lives of non NR friends across the ether.

Prima Fabia Drusila
Provincia Lacus Magni
Legatus Regionis Occidentalis
(Indiana ,Illinois)


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21566 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Use of names
A. Apollonius Cordus to all his fellow-citizens and
peregrines, greetings.

I hope you're all well; I'm well.

Apologies if this seems picky or censorious: it is
intended constructively and helpfully.

I've noticed a tendency in this forum for people to
call each other, and refer to each other, by praenomen
(first name) only - 'thank you, Lucius'; 'Quintus
said'. Romans spoke in this way to, and about, their
immediate relatives, lovers, and very intimate
friends. To speak to or about anyone else in this way
is rude and over-familiar.

Just about any other combination of names is okay.
When calling someone by only one name, Romans almost
always called each other by cognomen (third name).
When speaking more formally they would usually use
some combination of two names, or even, for very
formal occassions, three. Calling someone by his or
her nomen (middle name) alone was unusual but not
rude. But calling someone by praenomen alone - please
don't do it.

For further information see Dickey, 'Latin Forms of Address'.





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21567 From: Alexander Probus Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Re: Note on taxes payments in Pannonia
Salvete,

Correction: I am available for Pannonian citizens on taxes issues up
to 20 of April.

Valete

Alexander I.C. Probus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Alexander Probus"
<alexprobus1@h...> wrote:
> Salvete Cives Pannonici,
> Zdravim obcanov Pannonie,
>
> Hereby I would like to announce that I am available to assist
> citizens of Pannonia on payment taxes by collecting them and
sending
> by PayPal to the Central Treasury of Nova Roma. All citizens
wishing
> to use my service, could contact me up to 20 of March. They should
> to provide me the amount of taxes in USD or equivalent of local
> currency as stated in the table in
> the EDICTVM CONSVLARE A GNAEO EQVITIO MARINO II: EDICTVM VECTIGALE.
>
> Citizens should to note their full Roman name and country of
> residence /Czeck Republic, Hungary or Slovakia/.
>
> No transfer fee is requested as I shall pay it myself.
> I am available by e-mail on zorik@s... or GSM: ++421 903 288
> 693.
>
> Tymto by som chcel oznamit, ze som pripraveny pomoct obcanom
Pannonie
> s platbami dani, tym ze dane pozbieram od zaujemcov a odoslem do
> Centralnej pokladne Noveho Rima. Vsetci obcania, ktory chcu pouzit
> moje sluzby poprosim skontaktovat ma do 20/03/2004. Mali by uviest
> svoje plne Rimske meno a krajinu pobytu /Ceska Republika, Madarsko
> alebo Slovensko/. Platba bude poskytnuta v USD alebo v ekvivalente
> narodnej meny podla tabulky danovych sadzieb uvedenej v Edikte II.
> Konzula Gnea Equitia Marina. Nepozadujem ziaden poplatok za
transfer,
> tym ze tento uhradim sam.
> Mozete ma kontaktovat na zorik@s... alebo GSM: ++421 903 288
> 693.
>
> Alexander I.C. Probus M.
> Legatus Pannonia Inferioris, Senator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21568 From: Alexander Probus Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Re: Gens Nemo. What now?
Salve Gaius Noviodunus,

If once you will decide to join any other Gens, so Iulii Caesarii are
ready to welcome you among us. We encourage potentially active
citizens to join our Gens.

Bene vale

Alexander I.C. Probus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusnoviodunus"
<Gaius.Noviodunus@i...> wrote:
> Salvete omnes,
>
> I've been extremely busy these past year or so and couldn't find
much
> time for NovaRoma. For some reason, I became assigned to the gens
Nemo
> (did I miss to register my gens as active or something?). Anyways,
> here I am again and hope to be a little bit more active again. What
do
> I have to do in order to
>
> - have my gens re-activated
> or
> - be accepted in another gens?
>
> If I remember correctly, our government wanted to get rid of one-man
> gentes (which was the case of my gens), so more probably I would
have
> to get accepted by another gens rather than re-activating my one. In
> this case, which gens (plebeian only please) would accept me?
>
> Gratias multas ago,
>
> GaNoFe
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21569 From: Horatia Minucia Tiberia Caesar Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: NUNTII MUSARUM #2 -- Salvete Omnes!
Salvete Omnes!

This is the second edition of the new NVNTII MVSARVM, supported as
part of the Sodalitas Musarum's revitalization. It is made possible
through the submissions of Nova Romans like you! Please feel free to
share favourite books you've found, new movies, art experiences, or
anything else that shows the Muses operating in everyday life! Items
need not pertain directly to the Roman world, because the Muses
affect everyone in different ways in such a modern and diverse
society. If you would like to contribute, please email me at
theladysabine@..., with "Nuntii Musarum" in the subject line
so I am sure to find it. Enjoy!

Gratias multas vobis ago,
Horatia Minucia Tiberia Caesar

Scriba Sodalitatis Musarum
Scriba Propraetoris Novae Britanniae
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_Pro Artibus Scientibusque_


From Aulus Ambrosius Celetrus, Provincia Mediatlantica:

Here is another extremely interesting book. It is not new, but
certainly is of interest to the student of ancient religious
thought: "The Devil: Perceptions of Evil from Antiquity to Primitive
Christianity," Jeffrey Burton Russell, Cornell University Press,
1977. This is not a popular work pandering to a lurid fascination
with the satanic. It is the first of four scholarly monographs
written on the western conceptual history of the personification of
evil. It covers Greek, Roman, Etruscan, Zoroastrian, Hebrew and
Egyptian views on theodicy, and such notions as Fate, Necessity,
dualistic and monistic concepts of good and evil, and the nature of
the underworld. In short, it traces the evolution of our ideas about
the Prince of Darkness. Just how for instance did the erstwhile, if
disagreeable, servant of God Satan in Job, turn into the Father of
Lies in the Gospels?
This book and its immediate sequel, "Satan: The Early Christian
Tradition," are fascinating excursions into the darker side of
religious thought in our period of interest. Heavily annotated, with
exhaustive bibliographies, they are nevertheless quite readable. The
remaining two books cover the medieval and modern periods, and there
is also a work synopsizing all four, "The Prince of Darkness: Radical
Evil and the Power of Good in History," but I recommend the more
detailed works.



Two items from Horatia Minucia Tiberia Caesar, Provincia Nova
Britannia:

Saturday evening, March 6, I had the pleasure to attend a performance
by the New England Classical Singers in conjunction with choir
singers from area high schools at Merrimack College in North Andover,
Massachusetts. I had never heard the ensemble before, but they were
performing Mozart's Requiem Mass (with Eine Kleine Nachtmusik by
the orchestra), so I simply had to go. I was very impressed with the
singers' sound! Even the orchestra, at less than twenty people,
had the strength to do the more forceful parts of the Requiem with
great gusto.

I also attended, on March 19, Bach's St Matthew Passion as
performed by the Cantata Singers in Boston. It was the first time I
have heard a performance completely in the German language, and it
was a new type of experience for me (What do you mean, I can't
understand all the words?). If you are not familiar with this piece,
then let me tell you that it is the text of Saint Matthew's
account of Christ's Passion set, as an oratorio (like
Handel's Messiah), to orchestral music. The Cantata Orchestra
played with great zest and Bach would definitely be proud of them.


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Sodalitatis Musarum, ante diem XII Kalendae Aprilis 2757.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21570 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Re: Links
Gratias, Gai Iuli, for fulfilling your vow in a way which has brought great
pleasure to so many cives!

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@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factiopraesina/
-----Original Message-----
From: g_iulius_scaurus [mailto:gfr@...]
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 10:10 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Links


G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

A year ago I received Nova Roman citizenship and vowed to Venus
Genetrix that I would post something of use daily to this list in
gratitude for a year. From that came my custom of posting links to
Roman-related sites each day. I fulfilled my vow yesterday, and have
decided to adopt a less rigorous custom. I shall continue to post
from my collection of links, but on a weekly basis rather than every day.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21571 From: daan kramieri Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Re: My condolences to our citizens in the Netherlands
We thank you!
She passed away peacefully, and will now reside in full peace.

ave,
Gnaeus Flavius Horatius

quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@...> wrote:
Salvete,

I wish to extend my condolences to all Nova Romans in the Netherlands
on the death of Queen Mother Juliana.

Valete,

Q. Cassius Calvus





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21572 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Re: Use of names
In a message dated 3/21/04 5:41:23 AM Pacific Standard Time,
a_apollonius_cordus@... writes:

> Calling someone by his or
> her nomen (middle name) alone was unusual but not
> rude. But calling someone by praenomen alone - please
> don't do it.
>

Salvete Apolloni et al

Not true. Most Romans were called by nomen only in the Republic. Polite
society would use the first two, and close friends and the public would use the
third. But only if the person was in public office. I have read Dickey, he
tends to concentrate on the Principate, not the Early Republic.

Valete

Q. Fabius Maximus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21573 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: LUDI CIRCENSES -- FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE -- PART I
Welcome one and all to the Circenses of the Quinquatria in the great
Circus Maximus! This is Quintus Lanius Paulinus reporting. Many
citizens well know the greatness of the circus but for all barbarians
and foreigners as well as the more unsophisticated citizens, I think a
description of its dimensions and some basic racing rules would be in
order.

Races are held in this complex so named a circus because of its oval
shape. This engineering marvel called the Circus Maximus is built in a
long valley stretching between two hills, the Aventine and the
Palatine. Initially the area was just a flat sandy track with some
temporary markers; like uncouth barbarians, our citizens had to sit on
those slopes on either side of the race track! In time, thanks to
great Roman engineering and genius the area developed into its well
maintained stadium–style building with a central divider, starting
gates at one end and an arch on the other, surrounded by three sides
by beautifully carved stands of stone. The entire building is 678
yards long and 159 yards wide; its seating capacity is about 150,000
spectators! There are all sorts of statues and obelisks decorating the
spina or central track divider.

Chariot racing is indeed the most popular sport in Rome and knows no
bounds of social class from barbarous – like louts from the mob to the
consuls and senators themselves. Most charioteers (called agitators
were slaves but successful ones soon have enough money to buy their
freedom. There are four Roman racing companies or stables, ah, well ,
factions that are known by the racing colors worn by the charioteers.
The faction colors are red, white, blue and green. The fans of the
races become greatly attached to one of these factions and proclaiming
themselves "partisans of the Green" in the same way as similar people
today would be Yankee fans or cheer for Chelsea or Leeds in football
or baseball.. The factions later established club houses in Rome and
throughout the Empire and in time even acquired some political
influence. Charioteers would often achieve superstar status and become
exceedingly wealthy. They wore little body protection, had a light
helmet and practiced a very dangerous stunt of wrapping the reins
tightly around their wastes so they could use their bodies to control
the horses better. Sadly many would be trampled before they could cut
themselves loose! Well I don't begrudge them their high earnings. They
really put their lives on the line. Now I'm sure the factions had
their share of hooligans and trouble makers as well. Old Quintus,
especially during a boring race, just loves to see a mini riot or
disturbance – mind you at a safe distance!


The races shall begin with a fancy procession (pompa) headed by the
dignitary who sponsors the games, followed by the charioteers and
teams, musicians and dancers and then priests who carry the statues of
the gods and goddesses who watch over the races. Usually there were
twelve races scheduled for each day but I understand this number is
sometimes doubled. The Charioteers will draw lots for their positions
in the starting gates. When the horses are ready, the white cloth
(mappa) is dropped by the sponsor of the games. At this signal the
gates are sprung and up to twelve teams of horses tear out on the
track. There are seven laps to be run so charioteers avoided running
too fast at the beginning of the race. Also this overall strategy
was to try to hold a steady pace as the race progressed and position
yourself close to the barrier and around the turning points as close
as possible and avoid hitting them. There are lots of ways one team
could foul up their opponents during the race. Even before a race
fanatics could try to resort to magic by hexing the rival factions
before the race started; also doping or poisoning horses is not unknown!

The spectators can follow the progress of the race by watching the egg
or dolphin counters like many of you have seen in the movie "Ben
Hur". When the race is finally finished, the presiding magistrate with
pomp and ceremony presents the winning charioteer with a palm branch
and wreath while the crowds cheer in utter jubilation!

Well, that is a little introductory education for many of you. Those
already educated in the sports events of Rome, please forgive me if my
rambling bores you or if I neglected some details. To our new
citizens, I hope this short background will familiarize you and get
you interested in following the games. Finally, for the troublesome
mob or rabble, NEVER let it be said that old Q.L. Paulinus neglects
the education of his inferiors. Now – on with the games!

The excitement is mounting here in the Circus Maximus as we await the
opening of the races. The doors of the Porta Pompae have opened and
now I can see the trumpeters who are signalling the beginning of the
procession. Now the aediles curules, G. Iulius Scaurus and M. Iulius
Perusianus, have appeared in a chariot. They are garbed in the
traditional triumphal purple, their faces rubricated. As their
chariot makes the circuit of the course the crowd bursts into
applause. When they reach the pulvinar, they dismount the chariot and
ascend to the pulvinar from which they will take the salutes of the
rest of the parade.

More trumpeters follow G. Iulius and M. Iulius into the Circus, then
the acrobats and dancers with children strewing flowers in their wake.
Then a vexillation of soldiers, armour glistening, bearing scutum and
pilum, demonstrate their perfectly ordered drill as they circle the
spina, saluting the pulvinar as they pass. G. Iulius, the editor
spectaculorum for the games of the Quinquatria, returns their salute.
The desultores, leaping from horse to horse and back again, follow
the soldiers at a safe distances. The crowd seems particularly
impressed with agility: just past the eastern metae one rider leaps
across the spina as his partner stands on his horse's back and leaps
the spina in the opposite direction. It's truly amazing they don't
kill themselves that way, but both manage to hit the saddle facing the
right direction.

The trumpets sound again and two elephants appear from Porta Pompae,
pulling a large plustrum cart on which the birth of Minerva is
portrayed in statuary. Excellent workmanship, the stone flesh is
painted very lifelike and the robe of Iuppiter alone must have cost a
fortune -- purple with gold embroidery and encrusted with jewels.
Perhaps that's why he's holding his head -- how can I pay for all
this? -- and not that blow from Vulcan at all. As the plustrum passes
the pulvinar, G. Iulius offers incense to the portrayed Gods and Goddeses.

Now come the tensae, borne on the shoulders of dozens of men, the
first bearing the imago of Iuppiter Optimus Maximus, the next Iuno
Regina, the next Mars Pater, the next Quirinus; each tensa is
supervised by a sacerdos. And finally the gilded tensa bearing the
imago of Minerva Sapientissima. The crowd applauds the appearance of
each tensa and its progress around the course. Each tensa is halted
at the pulvinar, then is borne to seats of special honour in the
pulvinar, the place of highest honour going to Minerva on her day. As
each imago is seated, G. Iulius offers incense and a libation to each
deity.

The competitors in today's races follow through the Porta Pompa.
First emerges Aoife (too damned many vowels, those Celts), the Briton
woman who races Biga Fortuna in Factio Albata for Consul Gn. Equitius.
She does look the complete barbarian, and utterly without modesty --
she's not wearing much and what she is wearing looks like animal
skins. From the applause and cheers from men in the crowd the look
apparently appeals -- I can't imagine that all that is just fan
loyalty to Albata. Then Italicus follows, riding Libertas in Factio
Russata for Fr. Apulus Caesar; a large part of the crowd is on their
feet, applauding and shouting encouragement. Italicus is popular and
Russata seems to be determined to take Praesina down a few notches
after their victory last year. Then Vesanicus appears, driving
Maledicti in Faction Albata for Cn. Salix Galaicus. The applause is
considerable; perhaps it was factio loyalty to Albata and not Aoife's
undress which provoked those earlier cheers. And now Hilarus, driving
Arethusa, enters the course; he adheres to Russata and drives for Tib.
Apollonius Cicatrix. Then ...

Iuppiter! One of Hilarus' horses is rearing and he's struggling to
regain control. In panic the horse almost drags the biga into the
spectator wall. He's got the horses back under control. I wonder
what on earth caused that. Hilarus and his attendants are examining
Arethusa; there doesn't seem to be any real damage. Oh, I see what
the problem was: maintenance slaves of the Circus are shoveling up
what appeears to be an elephant dropping, which apparently spooked
that horse. Hilarus completes his circuit of the course unscathed.
Finally Polycrates, driving Confluat in Factio Praesina for L. Quintus
Constantius enters the course. No elephant dung this time.

As Polycrates joins his fellow racers before the pulvinar they salute
the the seated Di Immortales and, then, the Aediles Curules. When G.
Iulius returns their salute, they proceed out of the course through
the Porta Pompa to take their places in the caceres, checking their
chariots, horses and gear one last time before the racing commences.
It's odd how few racers turned out for the first ludi circenses of the
year -- Faction Veneta not even represented, Praesina -- last year's
winners -- with only one entry. The crowd is excited to see their
factiones compete and for Veneta not to be represented and only one
Praesina entry I'm certain disappoints them. I've heard that the
Aediles Curules are planning to discuss with the Domini Factionum how
to get more of last year's competitors back on the course.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21574 From: Lucius Cornelius Cicero Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Return from technical-failure induced absence
Salvete!

I have been offline for about a week due to some PC troubles. Having not yet
had the time to read through all the back posts here on the list, I checked on
my record at the main site and saw 'interpreter' listed next to my name. A
quick search soon revealed that yes indeed, I have been appointed as interpreter!
What a wonderful way to return to online activity again :)

I am honoured to be appointed to this position and I hope that my translations
will serve to bring more people to Nova Roma and also to make the experience
of citizenship more rewarding and accessible to those who speak Afrikaans.

Valete,


Lucius Cornelius Cicero

INTERPRETER(Afrikaans)
SCRIBA GENII DOCTRINAE PHILOSOPHIAE (Academia Thules)




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21575 From: Gaius Laelius Pertinax Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Oath of Office
Ego, Gaius Laelius Pertinax (Dennis van den Hoek) hoc ipso facto
sollemniter IVRO Novae Romae decus defendere et semper pro Novae Romae
Populo atque Senatu agere. Ut Novae Romae magistratus ego Gaius Laelius Pertinax (Dennis van den Hoek) Romae deos deasque colere IVRO in omnibus publicae vitae temporibus atque
Romanas virtutes et publica et privata vita persequi.

Ego Gaius Laelius Pertinax (Dennis van den Hoek) Romanam religionem favere et defendere IVRO ut Novae Romae
Reipublicae religionem et numquam agere ita ut eius status publicae
religionis aliquid detrimenti capiat. Praeterea ego Gaius Laelius Pertinax (Dennis van den Hoek) IVRO quam
optime fungi officium muneris Scribae Propraetoris Gallia .

Meo Novae Romae civis honore et coram Populi Romani deis atque deabus et
eorum voluntate et favore, munus Scribae Propraetoris Gallia ACCIPIO
una cum iuribus, privilegiis. munera atque officia quae meum munus
comportat.

In Gallia Provincia ante diem XIII Kal. Aprilis, anno MMDCCLVII A.V.C.

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I, Gaius Laelius Pertinax (Dennis van den Hoek) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Laelius Pertinax (Dennis van den Hoek) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Gaius Laelius Pertinax (Dennis van den Hoek) swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Gaius Laelius Pertinax (Dennis van den Hoek) swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gaius Laelius Pertinax (Dennis van den Hoek) further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Scriba Propraetoris Gallia to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Scriba Propraetoris
Gallia and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Given this day March 21th, 2757 in the Consulship of Gnaeus Salix
Astur and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus.




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21576 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: (no subject)
Lined up at the gates are the chariots for the first race of the
semis. A crowd of more than 100,000 spectators await with eager
anticipation. From the innermost gate outward are Biga Fortuna with
the lusty Britannia Barbarian lady known as Aoife. This chariot and
driver is owned by Consul Marinus of the Albata Faction. The next
chariot and team is Maledicti with Vesanicus as the charioteer and
owned by Cn Salix Galaicus of the Faction Russata. The last gate is
occupied by Libertas with Italicus as the driver and owned by
Franciscus Apulus Caesar.

Aedilis Curulis G. Iulius Scaurus drops the mappa, the gates are
sprung and off go the chariots with the horse teams are off with a
thunderous roar! It is difficult to hear the noise of the chariots
over the cries of the crowd. The three teams are taking things rather
easily on the first lap as if they are trying to feel one another out.
Maledicti is in the early lead followed closely by Libertas. Since it
rained earlier in the day, there is enough moisture on the ground to
hold any dust down. The first dolphin drops to signal the end of the
first lap.

Now I cannot help notice that the crowd has quieted down by the
beginning of the second lap. Perhaps the uneventful start along with a
poorer turnout of racers has some of them a little bored for the
moment. I see that the pace is starting to pick up now and Libertas is
pulling slightly ahead of the rival two. Libertas seems to be picking
up speed as he constantly pulls out of his turns on the corners. Big
Fortuna and Maledicti are still neck and neck but biding their time at
about 100 paces behind Libertas! The situation of the order stays much
the same as the third and fourth dolphins drop. Oh, now we see some
action; all hell is breaking loose much to the delight and approval of
the crowd! Screaming and cracking her whip like that crazed and
treacherous barbarian wench Boudicca, Aoife with her chariot Big
Fortuna takes off like a crack of lightning leaving Maledicti behind
her. Just as the fourth dolphin drops to signal the end of lap four
she catches up with Libertas and its driver Italicus! Hmmm, as the two
thunder along they start drifting awful close together as they
approach the North turn; ah, Maledicti with Vesanicus is catching up
just as the fifthh Dolphin drops.

Oh no! Italicus with Biga Fortuna on his right hand side in the inner
lane suddenly reaches out and cracks his whip at the face of Aoife.
She ducks to avoid the whip that flies again in her direction but this
time its loud crack grazes the ear of her first horse. The frightened
horse flinches on this fifth lap going into the corner causing her
horses and chariot to crash into the corner of the spina. The Chariot
deflects off but the frightened horse stumbles flipping the chariot
and dragging the remaining horses down. A loud snap like the crack of
a soft whip is heard. The chariot is in pieces and Aoife is lying
still -- it looks like she's dead -- along with the outer left hand
horse. The other 3 horses are tangled up and trying to right
themselves and whining like crazy.. Maledicti and Vesanicus skillfully
swerves away avoiding the mess and roars ahead to catch up with Libertas!

There is a rush of attendants, slaves and soldiers who rush out to the
track to try and clear the tangled mess of horses and chariot off the
track. First three horses are cut lose and are quickly lead off the
track by the attendants. Aoife is picked up in a stretcher and carried
off as the slaves and attendants give a quick nervous glance for the
coming of the chariots in the sixth lap. Get off quick guys; no way
you'll clear that chariot debris before the deadly thundering hooves
bring more catastrophe this day! Good, the attendants are gone!

On the sixth lap Maledicti with Libertas are neck and neck but
Maledicti seems to have learned from Aoife's mistake and not allowed
Libertas to get within whipping range. The two roar up on the debris
field which is going to force them to split further apart like a fork
in the road. This is skillfully done by both drivers but suddenly
after the dolphin drops to signal the final seventh lap Maledicti and
its driver Vesanicus get a second wind and begin pulling well ahead
of Libertas. Oh, oh! loud cracks of the whip can be heard as Vesanicus
on Maledicti drift close to Libertas as he passes and gives Italicus a
taste of his own medicine. Neither horse nor charioteer is hit but
this sudden action causes Italicus to flinch, lose control and
composure for a second or two and allow Vesanicus/Maledicti of team
Alba to successfully cross the finish line first. The crowd is overall
pleased with the poetic justice meted out this day. Team Albata has
won this round!

I just received word that the charioteer Aiofe is not dead. She is
seriously injured and the physicians think it may take her months to
recover, but she is not dead as we feared.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21577 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: LUDI CIRCENSES -- FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE -- PART II
Lined up at the gates are the chariots for the first race of the
semis. A crowd of more than 100,000 spectators await with eager
anticipation. From the innermost gate outward are Biga Fortuna with
the lusty Britannia Barbarian lady known as Aoife. This chariot and
driver is owned by Consul Marinus of the Albata Faction. The next
chariot and team is Maledicti with Vesanicus as the charioteer and
owned by Cn Salix Galaicus of the Faction Russata. The last gate is
occupied by Libertas with Italicus as the driver and owned by
Franciscus Apulus Caesar.

Aedilis Curulis G. Iulius Scaurus drops the mappa, the gates are
sprung and off go the chariots with the horse teams are off with a
thunderous roar! It is difficult to hear the noise of the chariots
over the cries of the crowd. The three teams are taking things rather
easily on the first lap as if they are trying to feel one another out.
Maledicti is in the early lead followed closely by Libertas. Since it
rained earlier in the day, there is enough moisture on the ground to
hold any dust down. The first dolphin drops to signal the end of the
first lap.

Now I cannot help notice that the crowd has quieted down by the
beginning of the second lap. Perhaps the uneventful start along with a
poorer turnout of racers has some of them a little bored for the
moment. I see that the pace is starting to pick up now and Libertas is
pulling slightly ahead of the rival two. Libertas seems to be picking
up speed as he constantly pulls out of his turns on the corners. Big
Fortuna and Maledicti are still neck and neck but biding their time at
about 100 paces behind Libertas! The situation of the order stays much
the same as the third and fourth dolphins drop. Oh, now we see some
action; all hell is breaking loose much to the delight and approval of
the crowd! Screaming and cracking her whip like that crazed and
treacherous barbarian wench Boudicca, Aoife with her chariot Big
Fortuna takes off like a crack of lightning leaving Maledicti behind
her. Just as the fourth dolphin drops to signal the end of lap four
she catches up with Libertas and its driver Italicus! Hmmm, as the two
thunder along they start drifting awful close together as they
approach the North turn; ah, Maledicti with Vesanicus is catching up
just as the fifthh Dolphin drops.

Oh no! Italicus with Biga Fortuna on his right hand side in the inner
lane suddenly reaches out and cracks his whip at the face of Aoife.
She ducks to avoid the whip that flies again in her direction but this
time its loud crack grazes the ear of her first horse. The frightened
horse flinches on this fifth lap going into the corner causing her
horses and chariot to crash into the corner of the spina. The Chariot
deflects off but the frightened horse stumbles flipping the chariot
and dragging the remaining horses down. A loud snap like the crack of
a soft whip is heard. The chariot is in pieces and Aoife is lying
still -- it looks like she's dead -- along with the outer left hand
horse. The other 3 horses are tangled up and trying to right
themselves and whining like crazy.. Maledicti and Vesanicus skillfully
swerves away avoiding the mess and roars ahead to catch up with Libertas!

There is a rush of attendants, slaves and soldiers who rush out to the
track to try and clear the tangled mess of horses and chariot off the
track. First three horses are cut lose and are quickly lead off the
track by the attendants. Aoife is picked up in a stretcher and carried
off as the slaves and attendants give a quick nervous glance for the
coming of the chariots in the sixth lap. Get off quick guys; no way
you'll clear that chariot debris before the deadly thundering hooves
bring more catastrophe this day! Good, the attendants are gone!

On the sixth lap Maledicti with Libertas are neck and neck but
Maledicti seems to have learned from Aoife's mistake and not allowed
Libertas to get within whipping range. The two roar up on the debris
field which is going to force them to split further apart like a fork
in the road. This is skillfully done by both drivers but suddenly
after the dolphin drops to signal the final seventh lap Maledicti and
its driver Vesanicus get a second wind and begin pulling well ahead
of Libertas. Oh, oh! loud cracks of the whip can be heard as Vesanicus
on Maledicti drift close to Libertas as he passes and gives Italicus a
taste of his own medicine. Neither horse nor charioteer is hit but
this sudden action causes Italicus to flinch, lose control and
composure for a second or two and allow Vesanicus/Maledicti of team
Alba to successfully cross the finish line first. The crowd is overall
pleased with the poetic justice meted out this day. Team Albata has
won this round!

I just received word that the charioteer Aiofe is not dead. She is
seriously injured and the physicians think it may take her months to
recover, but she is not dead as we feared.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21578 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: LUDI CIRCENSES -- FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE -- PART III
Now the second race of the semis is about to commence. Lots are drawn
for the starting positions. The chariot Confluat and its driver
Polycrates belonging to Lucius Quintius Constantinus of the team
Praesina is in the innermost gate. The next chariot is Arethusa
driven by Hilarus whose owner is Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix of the
team Russata. The crowd awaits for the adjustments and signal from
Aedilis Curulus G. Iulius Scaurus. The mappa is dropped and again the
gates are sprung. The two charioteers take off quickly from the gates
and the thunder of the horses hooves is suppressed by the cheers of
the crowd . The sun has been out for several hours now and things have
warm up and dried causing some light dust flow behind the chariots.

On the first lap the two drivers seem to be doing more of a second
drive by as if they wish to get the crowd's attention and undivided
attention. The excitement of the first semi will be hard to equal this
day and that fact must be on their minds. The dolphin drops signaling
the second lap and both drivers seem to be picking up the pace though
still conserving their teams' energy. Arethusa is several paces in
front of Confluat and both drivers are staying and the same distance
and biding their time going through the third and fourth laps.

On the fifth lap, Polycrates picks up his pace somewhat but he still
looks like he is keeping things pretty constant. Suddenly during the
start of the fifth lap, Hilarus, driving Arethusa suddenly picks up
his pace, no he is going all out to rush through the last two laps. In
the middle of the sixth lap his horses for some reason are beginning
to tier. I certainly hope that they have not been hexed or poisoned
with some drugs but they do not seem able to keep up with their sudden
burst of speed and energy. Meanwhile Polycrates driving Confluat is
continually increasing his steady pace but keeping things relatively
steady and catches up with his opponent Halfway on lap number 6.

The two chariots are now running neck and neck; Hilarus cracks his
whip to drive his team of horses harder as the dolphin drops for lap
number seven; things pick up for him a little but Polycrates driving
Confluat still keeps right up with him. Suddenly there are several
loud cracks of a whip and all hell breaks loose as Confluat surges
ahead of Arethusa on the last half of the seventh lap. Polycrates then
veers his chariot directly in front of Hilarus and Arethusa in order
to stir up some dust and block his opponent's vision. Polycrates and
Confluat easily cross the finish line ahead of Hilarus and Arethusa
and Faction Praesina has this round. The lesson here reminds me of
what that sissy old goat of a Greek, Aesop taught so many years ago
about a tortoise and a hare. The slow and steady can often win the race!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21579 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: MUNERA SECUNDA FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE -- PART I
Valete!

This is M. Vitellius Cordus and Audens, lanista of the Audens school,
are here today for our second day of exciting combat. Do you think
anything will top yesterday's surprise today, Audens?

"Nah, when I was at the tavern last night all they could talk about
was how Redbeard took out Charcoal when it looked like Redbeard had
lost. Quite a feat of arms."

We have three good fights scheduled don't we? We are going to see
some Greek style to day aren't we?

"Uh huh. Heavy armored fighters against Samnites. Much like their
ancestors fought when Italia saw Naples and Campanians go at it in the
400s."

There is the trumpet! The first pairs are about enter. Who do we
have now. Audens?

" First fight is Pulus of the school of Mactator, a Thrakan, with VI
vix et II stantes missi, against Piso the Eturian of the school of
Phenix, secutor tyro."

Bad for Piso?

"Maybe not. Thrakans are lightly armored as their ancestors, you
can't let `em get around your back, so it'll be a tough fight for a
tyro, but as a Samnite at least he has chance. A heavy armed fighter
would be cut to pieces trying to dance with a Thrakan.

Bets will be for first blood and victory. Place your bets now.

And here they are! Piso is wearing a green tunic, with gold designs
of Etruscans, while Pulus has the black tunic of the Thrakians. Each
is wearing one orcea, each wears the manica on his sword arm to the
shoulder.

The Thrakian of course carries the sica the curved saber, while Piso
carries the Gladius. Round light pelta for the Thracian, from which
they drew their name, peltasts, while the squared Roman scutum for our
Samnite.

Both are wearing gilded cage helmets. You miss the old open faced
Oscans, Audens?

"Yeah. You could see in those. Course we don't have as many split
noses, or knocked out teeth like the old days when I fought. The
Gladiators these days have to keep themselves pretty for the girls of
Rome. No more badges of honor. I don't like it, but it is the times."

Very well, the Summa Rudis comes between the two. The Secundus Rudis
stands behind Piso. Salute! The Summa steps behind Pulus. We are
ready... Lay on.

Dash to the left and slash by Pulus, dodged. Cut to the thigh by
Piso, parried. Dash to the left again..knocked back by a shield
slash! Thrust by Piso...parried. Spin to the right by Pulus
...shield parried. Piso does a shield rush...dodged!

Pause...

Pulus dashes to the right, reaches inside, armor turned it! Slice by
Piso takes a chunk out of the pelta. Those shields can't take much
damage can they, Audens?

"Nope, and they are made lighter then regular shields as well."

Pulus circles, spin, and missed ...blackslash by Piso, shield parries.
Pulus runs around, Piso spins in place watching him. Reach
out...knocked away by Piso's shield. There's a feint, Piso refused to
be drawn.

This is a pretty savvy fighter for a rookie, eh Audens?

"Yep. He absorbed his lessons well. Stay at home, don't be drawn,
conserve energy. You can't chase a Thrakian. You must wait for him."

Back to the action...

Dash to the right... knocked back by another shield swipe. Piso just
waits stoically. The crowd is getting bored. Dash to the left and a
spin... Habet! Piso is wounded!

"That was textbook! He waited a second to let Piso relax, then came
in, Piso was a second late and the sica sliced the shield arm! Pure
text book! That's letting the weight and natural curve of the weapon
to the work for you."

I don't think that arm will support a shield any more. Uh huh, Piso
is letting it drop. No choice I guess. He's losing a lot of blood.

"Yep, at this rate he'll pass out soon."

The Summa agrees with you, Audens. We have a hold. No, Piso cannot
continue. There is the request for the appeal. What do you think Audens?

"Easy, the Gates of Life for both. It was a good fight, experience
just told. Pulus had more."

And there it is the chant "send him back" Looks like you are right.

"It was an easy call. Both fought well."

The Editor agrees with crowd. He stands, points to the Gate of Life.
Both fighters are walking out together, escorted by the Rudi. Thoughts?

" Well, I think this Piso has a good future ahead of him. He survived
his first fight, and survived it convincingly. And I think he could
have continued, bad fortune he had such a deep cut.

There's the trumpet announcing the second fight. .

This will be Eburnus the Greek of the school of Phenix, hoplomachus,
III vix, against Strabo of the school of Mactator, secutor tyro.

Another tyro. And against a heavy armored man. Your thoughts, Audens?

" Gonna be a hard fight. You have to go for the thighs and the back.
That's the only place they are vulnerable. Gotta keep moving"

All right. The fighters are entering the Arena. Eburnus looks like
burnished steel. And that big round shield is also hard to get by.

"But it is unwieldy. And I think that is one of the few advantages
Strabo has."

And both fighters have reached the center of the Arena. Bets will be
on first blood and victory. Place your bets now.

The Summa Rudis steps between the two men. The Secundus is behind
Eburnus.
Salute! He steps back. Lay on!

Stabo drives in, slash... shield parries, Eburnus cuts back also parried.
Cut to the right... parried. Eburnus throws a backslash... missed!
He's off balance, Strabo slices, Clang! Right off the armor.

Eburnus thrusts...batted down. Strabo throws a backslash... parried
by shield!

"Don't understand that backslash. Gotta hit the thighs."

Another slice from Eburnus. Parried. Strabo finally cuts for the
thigh. Parried by shield. Eburnus throws another slice. Strabio
ducked under it, lost a huron feather from his helmet. Strabo has had
enough He backs away.

"Smart! You can't win going toe to toe with the heavy armed."

Uh huh. Strabo feints right runs left, he is trying to get behind
Eburnus. Eburnus spins in place keeping Strabo to his front.

Strabo thrust for the face... knocked away! Eburnus cuts for a leg...
dodged!
Strabo keeps trying to work to his right. Eburnus keeps him in front.
Eburnus, cuts... parried. Strabo slices... shield turned it. Eburnus,
another cut. Armor turns it.

Slice to head by Eburnus. That one scored! No blood though, but I'll
bet he rung that bell. Strabo looks woozy. Shield rush by Eburnus!
That's a knock down... and a stab to the chest!

Habet...first blood to Eburnus. He stabs again, I don't think Strabo
can get up. He throws up his hand. Quarter! Summa makes the appeal.
Audens?

"Put him down! A dumb showing. He disgraced his school and his
trainers. You can't go toe to toe with the heavy armed. You saw what
happened when you do."

Crowd seems to agree. Thumbs turned. The Editor gives the signal...
Eburnus stabs him again, a big fountain of blood, and that's it. Only
one fighter will leave by the Gates of Life this time.

We'll be back shortly with the second half of the munera secunda of
the Feria Quinquatriae.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21580 From: artabrus Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: Happy Winner
The first race, the first winner...of course ALBATA!!!


Salix Galaicus, the first albata winner this year
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21581 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-21
Subject: MUNERA SECUNDA FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE -- PART II
This is M. Vitellius Cordus and Audens, lanmista of the school of
Audens, bringing you the second half of the munera secunda of the
Feria Quinquatriae from the Iulian amphitheater. Our next fight will
be Ruso of the school of Mactator, murmillo, VI vix, shall fight
Rufinus the Sicilian of the school of Phenix, retarius tyro. You seen
Ruso before?

"Yeah, down in Pompeii. He is very fast, has six wins, all kills.
Rufinus might have picked a bad opponent to cut his teeth on."

We will see. Bets are for first blood, and victory. Place your bets now.

There's the trumpet! And the fighters are entering the Arena. Ruso
wears the finned helmet of the murmillo; Rufinus, of course, does not
wear a helmet. He is good looking in a swarthy Sicilian way. Listen
to all the ribald comments of the ladies! You miss that, Audens?

"Yeah after a fight still all sweaty, Patrician women used to *BEEP*
me while still covered in *BEEP* with *BEEP BEEPDY BEEP*"

Sorry I asked, Audens. I apologize to our listeners for those
remarks. Hopefully the Praetor's office won't come down to hard on us!

The Summa Rudis steps between the two, the Secundus takes his position
behind Rufinus. Salute! The Summa steps back... Lay on!

Ruso dashes to the right, slices...SCORES! Habet! First blood to
Ruso! That was quick. Looked like a arm strike!

"I told you he was quick. He used the blind spot created by the net,
and of course the net arm is unprotected."

Well. Rufinus has to rethink his strategy. He is bleeding.

"That'll make that net even harder to control. He is going to have to
be very careful."

Back to the action. Net feint, Ruso ducks to the right. There is a
thrust with the trident...parried. That scutum is hard to penetrate.

"Worst thing that could happen would those prongs get caught in the
wood. One good jerk. Snap that shaft right in two."

Thrust by Ruso... parried by the trident. There is the toss...
missed! Ruso dashed passed but his cut missed as well.

Rufinus yanks the net back while spinning to face this opponent. Ruso
advances...eyes on the net. Trident thrust... Parried by gladius!
Ruso backs up. That was close!

"Yep, almost caught him napping."

Ruso runs to the left... slices... Scores! Ouch! That net arm must
be hurting by now!

"Truth? You are so excited you don't feel it. Right now you want a
perfect cast high enough to catch that fin, but not too high so he can
duck under it."

Rufinus is waiting Ruso next move. And there it is. Spin move to the
right, slices... missed! Rufinus spins to face Ruso, thrust with the
trident... shield parry. That was a bad attack.

"Yep, off balance and all... Rufinus is lucky he still has a trident."

Ruso spins to the left... right into the net! Oooh what a move by
Rufinus! Laid back... waited... made the cast at the right moment.
Ruso is ensnared real good, he is done. The Summa calls a hold!
Request a decision! Audens?

"Stantes missi. Both fighters put up a good and entertaining fight."

I think a lot of people lost money on this one, the chant seems to be
"kill him."

"Ah, they are crazy! It was a good fight, a lucky blow by Ruso would
have given him the victory. The Gods wouldn't let it happen."

The Editor is taking his time here. Makes sense. Ruso would be
expensive to replace, but you don't go against crowd.

"I think the better man won, but Ruso did not disgrace himself by any
means." The Editor stands, points to the Gate of Life. Stanes missi!
Ohh listen to the boos! The net comes off and both fighters march to
the Gate. Garbage is coming down on Ruso! I do not understand this
crowd."

Like you said, people must have lost. Doesn't matter, they will get
their money back. That is all that seems to matter.

There's been a change in the card for today's last fight. Carbo was
supposed to fight the two Ahenobarbi, but the Gaul put an end to that
yesterday. Have no fear, fight fans. Mactator's substituted
Cleanthes, also a retarius and XII vix et V stantes missi, against
Ahenobarbus the German of the school of Phenix, secutor, VI vix et IV
stantes missi. The trumpets sound.

Cleathes enters the arena, his only armor the galerus on his right
shoulder and the leather vambrace on his right forearm, his weapons
the net and the trident. Ahenobarbus the German follows, a huge
hulking figure, crested helmet covering his head with two eyeholes,
right arm covered from wrist to shoulder by the manca, orcea on his
left shin, carrying a light scutum and the spatha shortsword. What do
you make of them, Audens?

"I aw Cleanthes last in Capua. Excellent show, but that time he was
against a man, not a mountain."

That German is tall and sturdy.

"Sturdy? His thighs are the size of your waist. I've not seen this
Ahenobarbus fight before, but Cleanthes had better keep his distance
'til the right moment..."

We will see. Bets are for first blood, and victory. Place your bets now.

The Summa Rudis steps between the two, the Secundus takes his position
behind Ahenobarbus. Salute! The Summa steps back... Lay on!

Ahenobarbus flexes at the knees and kicks off in hot pursuit of
Cleathes... He's a lot faster than I would've thought, given his
size. Cleanthes doesn't seem to have expected that. Ahenobarbus is
closing into range and Cleanthes doesn't have the net fully ready.

"He's totally surprised, Corde."

Spatha flashes... Cleanthes darts back, the sword missing his throat
by a hairsbeadth... Jab toward Ahenobarbus' sword arm with the
trident as the German draws the spatha back to recover... Manca turns
it, but the blow slows Ahenobarbus long enough for Cleanthes to draw
back out of sword range.

Ahenobarbus pursues... Cleanthes throws the net... Misses...
Ahenobarbus closes fast... Slash with the spatha, but the trident
deflects it... Another slash on the backhand... the sound of steel on
steel...

"If the galerus hadn't taken that, Cleanthes could have picked his
head up off the sand."

Cleanthes backpdeals furiously to Ahenobarbus' left, putting the
scutum between him and German, trying to gain some distance for the
throw... the galerus slips from his shoulder to dangle down his back."

"Hold!" the Summa bellows. By Hercules, that last shot from
Ahenobarbus ripped the rivets through the leather on the front of that
galerus. The Summa is removing the galerus. The Summa looks to the
Editor, who nods... The fight will go on for Cleanthes without the
galerus. Lay on!

Ahenobarbus rushes Cleanthes again... Cleanthes throws the net...
Miss... Ahenobarbus steps on the net before Cleanthes can pull it
fully back... Cleanthes frantically tries to plunge the trident
between shield and neck, but the German is too tall... Ahenobarbus,
still on the net, slashs with the spatha... There goes Cleanthes'
hand... Habet! Iuppiter! No, I'm wrong... All Ahenobarbus managed
was to cut the line to the net, but I bet Cleanthes' fingers felt the
flat of that spatha as it went by. Cleanthes pivots and runs for his
life to put a margin of safe distance between himself and his
opponent... There's booing from the crowd... They're not happy with
Cleanthes... and Cleanthes looks none too happy without his net...
The Summa retrieves the net.

"This is just about the worse situation that can happen to a
retiarius. The odds are way against him. That German's feet are just
amazing; I never would have imagined a guy that size being able to
catch the net with his feet and not be pulled off balance."

Ahenobarbus continues to press down on Cleanthes... Cleanthes tries
to circle to put Ahenobarbus' scutum between them... Too late...
Ahenobarbus swings the spatha... The trident blocks, but the spatha
snaps the outermost prong of the trident off... Cleanthes bends
almost in half to escape the backhand slash to his abdomen... Then
dashes to a safe distance as Ahenobarbus recovers...

"Ahenobarbus is fast on his feet, but his hands aren't nearly that
fast; if you watch how he cocks his arm and the way his shoulder rises
you can tell when he's going to let off a blow. If Cleanthes notices
that, it may save him, but I doubt it."

Ahenobarbus continues the pursuit... Cleanthes again tries to the put
scutum between him and the German... Ahenobarbus is having none of
it... Two quick steps and he's in range... Ahenobarbus swings for
Cleanthes' head... Cleanthes blocks it with the trident, deflecting
the spatha toward the shield... Equirine!!! Cleanthes rams the two
remaining prongs of the trident between arm and shield into the
German's throat... Habet! First blood to Cleanthes! And the German
is... Equirine! Ahenobarbus is still moving... Cleanthes can't free
the trident, drops it and backpedals... Ahenobarbus cocks his arm to
strike as if he had never been hit... And falls flat on his face...
The Summa checks him... Mortuus... The crowd is cheering wildly...
Victory to Cleanthes! It's been a long time since I saw a comeback
like that, Audens.

"When he lost the net and the trident broke, I thought he'd had it.
But I'll bet it'll be a long time before he wants to face a German
that size again."

Well, that's that. The Gate's closed. That brings our second day of
fights to an end. This is M. Vitellius Cordus and Audens wishing you
a pleasant day. See you tomorrow, fight fans!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21582 From: Caius Minucius Scaevola Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Re: BE AWARE OF THE IDES OF MARS!!!
Salvete iterum, omnes -

On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 09:23:51AM -0500, Benjamin Okopnik wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 20, 2004 at 12:39:36PM +0000, Decimus Iunius Silanus wrote:
>
> > You watch, it'll be my turn now ;-)
>
> Do you think so? Why, Deci Iuni, the paragon of virtue and pleasant
^^^^

It seems that I've mis-addressed my remarks; the above should have read
"Decime Iuni". My apologies to _Decius_ Iunius (along with quiet cheers
and congratulations on the latest addition to the family!) and my thanks
for his gentle correction.


Optime vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Vulnerant omnes, ultima necat.
All of them wound, the last one kills.
-- In reference to the hours; old inscription found on clocks
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21583 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: ante diem XI Kalendae Aprilis -- Feria Quinquatriae
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem XI Kalendae Aprilis; the day is nefastus and the
Feria Quinquatriae continues with munera and ludi circenses.

Tomorrow is ante diem X Kalendae Aprilis; the day is nefastus
publicus, sacred to Mars, the Feria Quinquatriae, and the Feria
Tubilustrii.

Ante diem VII Idus Martii was the occasion of the second procession of
the Salii Palatini. The Salii Palatini, members of the Collegium
Saliorum Palatinorum, were twelve patricians priests of Mars Gravidus
to whom the twelve ancilia were entrusted when they were not stored in
the Palatine temple of Mars. The ancilia were shields, oval in shape
with symmtrical convex curves at the centre (there is an illustration
of Salii carrying ancilia in the ML photos section), bearing two
parallel reverse-s like markings on the centre and one each placed
horizontally at the top and bottom. The original ancile fell from
heaven in the reign of Numa, and Mamurius Veturius created eleven
exact copies of the divinely-sent exemplar. The ceremonial attire of
the Salii Palatini consisted of an embroidered tunic cinched by a
bronze belt, the toga trabea, and the apex (the Salii in the
illustration are not wearing the apex), a sword on the belt and a
spear in the right hand. On the Kalends of March (March 1), ante diem
VII Idus Martii (March 9), and ante diem X Kalendae Aprilis (March 23)
the Salii conducted a procession, bearing the ancilia in their left
hands or on their shoulders while singing and executing an intricate,
highly formalised dance. During the dance they carried either spears
or rods (the evidence is unclear) which they struck against their
shields. The songs of the Salii, the Asamenta, were of great
antiquity (the average Roman would have had trouble following the
archaic language [Varro, _De lingua Latina_ 7.2]) and the Asamenta was
sung a capella. Chief among the subjects of the songs was praise of
Mamurius Veturius, as well as various Gods and Goddesses addressed
archaicly, such as Ianuli, Iunonii, and Minvervii. Varro provides two
rare glimpses of the language of the Asamenta in his discussion of
consonantal shifts (De lingua Latina 8.26):

Cozeui oborieso. Omnia vero ad Patulcium commissei.
Ianeus iam es, duonus Cerus es, duonus Ianus.
Venies potissimum melios eum recum

and

Divum em pa cante, divum deo supplicate.

The procession of the Salii ended with an elaborate feast at the
temple of Mars.

Ovid (_Fasti_ 3.849-350) says of the Tubilustrium, the last day of the
Quinquatria:

On the final day, the fifth, to purify the resounding trumpets
She admonishes, and to sacrifice to the powerful Goddess.

The Tubilustrium was a formal lustration and purification of the horns
of war and ritual, culminating in a sacrifice to Minerva Capta on the
Caelian.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21584 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Re: Links
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

I would like to thank those who have posted such kind words about the
links I've posted for the last year. I look forward to putting
together next week's collection of links for you.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21585 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Re: Links
Salvete,

Scaure, you are worthy of all these praises ans much more. Better
than the links, the religio information you are providing is a great
help for us all.

vale bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus TRP

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "g_iulius_scaurus" <gfr@w...> wrote:
> G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.
>
> Salvete, Quirites.
>
> I would like to thank those who have posted such kind words about
the
> links I've posted for the last year. I look forward to putting
> together next week's collection of links for you.
>
> Valete.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21586 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Re: Use of names
Salve, god-like Corde,

Indeed you are quite correct! Much of the agnomens were even
originated of nicknames, and when received by the father, the agnomen
problably was a nickname of an ancestors! So indeed people used to be
called by the agnomens.

Vale bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus TRP

PS. I myself addopted another use, to add always an colourful
adjective to the name. It sounds ´Homeric´, and I personaly like a
lot.

PS II. A source indeed was the comics of Asterix. When the two gauls
wanted to mock Caesar, they called him ´Julius´... but perhaps even
better would be ´Caius´. Perhaps because nowaday the gensname ´Julio´
is a praenomen.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"
<a_apollonius_cordus@y...> wrote:
> A. Apollonius Cordus to all his fellow-citizens and
> peregrines, greetings.
>
> I hope you're all well; I'm well.
>
> Apologies if this seems picky or censorious: it is
> intended constructively and helpfully.
>
> I've noticed a tendency in this forum for people to
> call each other, and refer to each other, by praenomen
> (first name) only - 'thank you, Lucius'; 'Quintus
> said'. Romans spoke in this way to, and about, their
> immediate relatives, lovers, and very intimate
> friends. To speak to or about anyone else in this way
> is rude and over-familiar.
>
> Just about any other combination of names is okay.
> When calling someone by only one name, Romans almost
> always called each other by cognomen (third name).
> When speaking more formally they would usually use
> some combination of two names, or even, for very
> formal occassions, three. Calling someone by his or
> her nomen (middle name) alone was unusual but not
> rude. But calling someone by praenomen alone - please
> don't do it.
>
> For further information see Dickey, 'Latin Forms of Address'.
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21587 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Re: LUDI CIRCENSES -- FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE -- PART II
In yesterday's races...

> ... Italicus with Biga Fortuna on his right hand side in the inner
> lane suddenly reaches out and cracks his whip at the face of Aoife.

> ... The chariot is in pieces and Aoife is lying still

> ... Aoife is picked up in a stretcher and carried off ...

> ... the charioteer Aiofe is not dead.

It was a long day and a longer night in the medical facility, but
between the efforts of Factio Albata's superb medicos and Aoife's iron
constitution she is conscious today and has taken some nourishment. She
sends her thanks to all of her well-wishers, and particular thanks for
the prayers and supplications offered on her behalf. Once she is well
enough to travel, she intends to depart Rome to convalesce in the
country. She promises you all that she'll be back.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21588 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Re: Links
Salvete Quirites,

g_iulius_scaurus wrote:

> G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.
>
> Salvete, Quirites.
>
> A year ago I received Nova Roman citizenship and vowed to Venus
> Genetrix that I would post something of use daily to this list in
> gratitude for a year. From that came my custom of posting links to
> Roman-related sites each day. I fulfilled my vow yesterday, and have
> decided to adopt a less rigorous custom. I shall continue to post
> from my collection of links, but on a weekly basis rather than every day.

Not only have you served Venus Genetrix well, Gai Iuli, you have also
served Nova Roma well. It's hard to believe that it's been only one
year since you first began posting here. What a year.

Thank you, on behalf of Nova Roma, for the wealth of information you
have gifted to us. I have more than once recommended to people that
they look for "the Scaurus posts" as the surest way to learn more about
Roma Antiqua.

Gn. Equitius Marinus
Consul
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21589 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Re: Use of names
A. Apollonius Cordus to Senator & Consular Q. Fabius
Maximus, and to all his fellow-citizens and
peregrines, greetings.

I hope you;re well; I'm well.

> Not true. Most Romans were called by nomen only in
> the Republic. Polite
> society would use the first two, and close friends
> and the public would use the
> third. But only if the person was in public office.

Interesting - could you cite your sources?

> I have read Dickey, he
> tends to concentrate on the Principate, not the
> Early Republic.

She (Eleanor Dickey) takes data from all of Roman
litarature up to the end of the second century AD;
this does mean that republican literature is
under-represented, simply because there's less of it.
Nonetheless, out of all the examples of address using
a single name to a person who had a cognomen, she
finds that in 87% of cases the name used was the
cognomen - this high proportion can't be accounted for
simply by saying that it only happened in the
principate, because republican data represents
considerably more than 13% of Dickey's data.

In looking at Cicero's habits alone (and Cicero was
not only republican but of conservative stylistic
tastes) she finds that he normally calls high-status
and noble men by their cognomen, and lower-status men
by their nomen; and that when he does call low-status
men by cognomen he is trying to be friendly or
sympathetic to them.

As for the use of two names, Dickey finds that until
the late republic it was normal to call nobles by
their praenomen and cognomen, and non-nobles by
praenomen + nomen. Even in the late republic Cicero
observed this convention. It's true that Livy, in the
early principate, uses praenomen + nomen 89% of the
time regardless of the nobility of the addressee, but
he seems to have been eccentric in this.

Apparently the use of nomen + cognomen became popular
in the late republic because it meant the speaker
didn't have to risk offending non-nobles by calling
them by their praenomen + nomen but could also avoid
calling them by their praenomen + cognomen, to which
they were not entitled.

In Nova Roma praenomen + nomen seems to be very
popular; I don't know whether that's because many
people have read Livy and therefore adopt his
eccentric habits or because they assume that everyone
is a non-noble. I prefer the late republican address
of praenomen + cognomen, both because it's more
egalitarian and because it's more likely to accurately
identify a single person (the praenomen is obviously
not very useful for this), but that's just a matter of
personal preference.

The main point, on which I think we agree, is that use
of the praenomen on its own is to be discouraged.





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21590 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Re: Links
- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
<lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> Scaure, you are worthy of all these praises ans much more. Better
> than the links, the religio information you are providing is a
great
> help for us all.
>
> vale bene in pacem deorum,
> L. Arminius Faustus TRP
>
> ---

Again excellent Fauste, you have said it all,
thank you Scaure
for all the great work on the Religio you are doing,
from all of us cives who are so richly benefitting from it!
di deasque vos ament,
Sep. Fabia Vera Fausta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21591 From: Octavia Ulpia Terentina Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: some links
Salvete omnes,

here are some cool links

naturalis historica from Plinius the older
www.ku.edu/history/index/europe/ancient_rome/E/Roman/Texts/Pliny_the_Elder/home.html

Biography from Plinius
www.home.datacomm.ch/biografien/biografien/plinius.htm

about Pompeji
www.pompeji.de/

Vale bene,
Octavia



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21592 From: Sarah Anthony Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Saturnalia
I am working on a documentary about the history of Christmas, and I just
wondered whether there are any groups that still celebrate Saturnalia,
or other Winter Solstice celebrations?



Many thanks,



Sarah Anthony



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21593 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Religio by Commitio
Salvete,

"People; polytheists, Christians and Jews, are sensitive about
their religion, to propose that someone's god or gods do not exist
will definitely get you in one hot flame war.
which is why everyone jumped on you. Okay?"

No, it's not okay because it's still a crock of dookie. Anyone who shouts
down differing opinions has issues beyond simple insult or offense. Can I
make your god or gods cease to exist simply because I denied the existence
of such on a mailing list? If so, then you give me more power than I want.
Does your faith depend upon mine? If not, then why not simply accept the
fact that my beliefs differ from yours?

The constitution of Nova Roma states, "As a nation, Nova Roma shall be the
temporal homeland and worldly focus for the Religio Romana." Therefore, one
could argue that Christianity and Judaism have no place here. I do not make
that contention, and I openly accept the religions and beliefs of any
citizen of Nova Roma.

If you are contending that I should take my opinions elsewhere because you
do not agree with them, you do all citizens of Nova Roma a disservice. The
statement in the constitution after that quoted above reads, "The primary
functions of Nova Roma shall be to promote the study and practice of pagan
Roman civilization, defined as the period from the founding of the City of
Rome in 753 BCE to the removal of the altar of Victory from the Senate in
394 CE and encompassing such fields as religion, culture, politics, art,
literature, language, and philosophy." If this statement about paganism is
taken in context with the constitutional statement above, wouldn't you agree
that it was the intent of the founders of Nova Roma to encourage such
discussion?

Aren't the people who gave tongue to indignation of his opinion as much at
fault in expressing inflammatory remarks? Why then, defend those people who
decried Lucius Ambrosius' opinions? If the only valid argument against his
right to express his opinions here is that he is "new" and "doesn't
understand the way we do things here", perhaps we should consider the status
quo. Please do not attempt to deny my right to discuss religion in context
on this list and I will not refute your right to do so.

Valete,
LCSardonicus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21594 From: Legion XXIV Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Vicesima Quarta Newsletter March 2004
VICESIMA QUARTA
The Newsletter of
LEGION XXIV - MEDIA ATLANTIA
Gallio Velius Marsallas / George Metz
Praefectus - Commander
13 Post Run - Newtown Square PA 19073-3014
610-353-4982
legionxxiv@... www.legionxxiv.org

Commilitones

ADVENAE - Newcomers
*** Richard Franz (Lucius Claudius Romulus) richard120571@...
in the far-off provincia of Jonesborough, TN has petitioned for membership.
He is an ex combat Marine, Ohh - Raaa!!, and his military bearing and experience
should an asset to the Legion.
*** Scott Charmel silveobadabing@... from Woodbridge NJ is considering
coming onboard. Being a local from New Jersey, he would be welcome sight
during our Mid-Atlantic campaigns.
*** Steve (Lucius Ambrosius Brutus) of Philadelphia is becoming a citizen of NovaRoma and we
look to have him with us at an upcoming event as a citizen, or possibly, a soldier of Rome?

TIME TO SHAPE UP and get yourself in order for the Legion's upcoming campaigns for 2004! Clean and Polish that Armor. Finish that Tunic. Complete those Caligae. Order that Helmet or Gladius. Mark your Calendar. Pay your Legion Dues by turning out for at least one event this year. The Legion Needs You!! That's An Order!! You will be Missed!!

NOT EVERYONE HAS TO BE A LEGIONARY SOLDIER, and certainly not all at once. There were a whole slew of support "staff" that followed the armies around: scribes, accountants, cooks, coopers, doctors, medics, metalsmiths, leather workers, teachers, servants, slaves, and others. You may want to develop a "civilian" impression and start off small. You might actually find it more interesting than doing the army gig. Those under 18 could serve as medics, servants or squires with just a tunic, belt and caligae or be a scribe to follow the commander around taking dictation with just a tunic, some quills, parchment paper, and a wax tablet with a stylus.
Adopting a civilian impression, while working towards a soldiers kit, will add depth and character to the unit as well as hopefully drawing more people into the hobby by demonstrating to the public a larger portion of the glory that was Rome.

MARCHING THRU TIME at Marietta Mansion is coming up on April 17-18.
Master Baro - Brian Mackey will be bringing his new tent. The Legion will be
registered as a separate unit this year, but we will probably turn-out with
Legion XX for the tacticals and field demonstrations. The Legion's "Engine of
Terror" ballista will also be demonstrated. Barbarians and Enemies of Rome - Beware!!
The Mansion is at 5626 Bell Station Road, Glendale MD 20769.
Use www.mapquest.com or consult direction at bottom of www.legionxxiv.org/events

ROMAN DAYS NORTHEAST May 15, 2004 - Woodstock Fairgrounds, Equestrian Center - Woodstock, CT 10 am to 4 pm Contact: lawrensnest@...
This Event Sponsored by La Wren's Nest, Legio VIIII Triumphalis and Legio III Cyrenaica, will be held at an equestrian park that will have ample room for our military maneuvers and encampment. They expect to have some barbarians there for us to use as fodder for our gladius and pila practice. The Ludus Magnus Gladiators are also expected to be there. Games and other activities for young and old will be going on throughout the day. A Roman Market and Merchant's Row will be set-up. This will be the first major event for the Legion in 2004. The Legion XXIV "Castra" (headquarters) on Friday and Saturday, will be the Kings Inn, at Exit 96 of I-395, in Putnum, CT, 10 miles from the Woodstock Event. This is the closest hotel to the Event and they have a restaurant on premises. Contact the Kings Inn at 800-541-7304 and ask for the preferential room rate for Romans of $62.72 single and $69.44 double with taxes and fees included.
Contact La Wren's Nest at the above e-mail or the event website http://www.lawrensbasement.com/RomanDaysNE.html for more information, directions, other hotels, etc.
Units and individuals are asked to contact Julie at LaWrens to advise her of your space requirements and the number of tents you are bringing. Legion XXIV will have a 50 x 50 foot space allocation which should suffice for Master Baro's new marquee tent, our displays and other needs. Arrive after 2PM on Friday for set-up. A dinner on Saturday night is planned for event participants.

ROMAN DAYS NORTHEAST FEAST - Julie and Lawrence Brooks (LaWrens Nest) are planning to have a Roman feast at 5 pm after the close of the event.
It will be a nice way for re-enactors, staff and volunteers to end the day and give everyone a chance to socialize.
The feast will be a combination of Roman and Egyptian dishes. The price is $20.00 for adults, $12 for children under thirteen.
They need to have a head count by April 20th, so the food can be purchased.
If you want to come to the feast, please send a check made payable to "Mar-Vista" at 1227 South River Road, Marshfield, MA 02050. Attach a note stating that you are paying for the feast and a list of names. Also, please note if you have any food allergies.
The feast menu will consist of the following: (note: we are still checking on spelling, please excuse any errors in Latin spelling until we get the final correct spellings. Or you can send us a correct spelling).
Appetizers
beta caseus patella - platters with fresh sliced fruits and melon served around a yogurt dip, with feta cheese and gouda chunks.
Cucumber and Yogur salad - sliced cucumbers in a yogurt sauce, Rowies - Scottish rolls, made similarly to croissants
First Course
Shourbet Al Khodar served with white rice - a combination of beef, vegetable and spices, slow-stewed and served over the rice
Fabiciae Verdis et Baeana - green berans and soy beans with coriander, cumin and leeks.
Second course
Chicken kabobs - marinated white and dark meat chicken, slow-roasted with period herbs and spices
Tagen Roze- rice with onions herbs, chicken broth Rolls - whole wheat rolls
Dessert
Dulca Domestica - fresh dates, stuffed with fruits and other period choices, with a honey dip Libum - honey soaked pastry, these are cheese and flour, baked then oaked in honey
Libum absque caseus - same as above, but without the cheese.
Period beverages will include Sakajabin, lemon water and fruit juice.

NASHVILLE FILMING AND ENCAMPMENT The filming of the movie trailer and Roman Encampment in Nashville is scheduled for the weekend of October 16th and 17th in 2004. Check out the new website for the event at www.romanreenactment.com. Regarding equipment, for those of you who have ordered using the Champion One discount and have not received your orders should contact Gary Barbuda at gbarbosa@... so that he can inquire on your behalf. If anyone has been dissatisfied with supplier let Gary know as well.
Additionally, they have used the pictures of some of the "Registered Romans" in their new website. Should anyone object to the pictures on the website let Gary know so that he can remove them. P.S: Gary requests that if you need to call him at 727-787-2158 please call between 5 PM and 10 PM eastern standard time, otherwise please keep your correspondences to E mail.

MEMBER'S PAGE PROPOSED
Second Call for your picture on the website with a short "bio"? To recognize our active members, the Commander will be pleased to post your pictures, in your Roman outfit, helmet on and helmet off?, and a short bio you provide. The bio could cover why you do Roman military or civilian reenactment? How you came to do Roman reenactment? Origin of your Roman Name? Campaigns you have served in? Other reenactment organization and activities?
If you are interested, provide the Commander with clear, not too dark or cluttered photos and your bio and you too can be featured on one of the most recognized Roman reenactment websites.

BARBARIAN TROPHY HIDE obtained by the Commander. During an engagement in February in the wilds of upstate Pennsylvaniensis, the Commander finally obtained the hide (leather body armor) of the barbarian Ceitrus Patronus, who had been ravaging the northwestern boundaries of our Provincia. Patronus had also been observed and encountered during the Pennsic Wars in August of the last few years. The Commander put an end to his plundering and as a warning to other enemies of Rome, he will be displaying the marauder's armor and weapons as trophies of war in the Legion's camp at upcoming events.

UPCOMING CAMPAIGNS
*** April 17-18 "Marching Through Time", Marietta Mansion, Rts 193. N of Rt 450, Glendale, MD


*** June 12-13 "Roman Days", Marietta Mansion, Glendale, MD

*** June 19-20 "Muster on the Maumee" Time Line Event, Fort Meigs, Perrysburg, OH
*** August 7 - 8 Multi-Period Time Line Event, Fort Malden, Amherstburg Ontario, opposite Detroit.

*** August 11-12-13-14 Pennsic War XXXIII, The Great Battle between the Kingdoms of the East and the Middle; Rts I-79 & US-422, New Castle, PA. Legion XXIV will be displaying the presence of Ancient Rome.

*** Sept 18-19 -- Roman Market Days, Wells Harbor Park, ME

*** October 15-16-17 Movie Trailer Shoot and Encampment at Parthenon in Nashville, TN with multiple Legion Units
and 100+ Roman Reenactors gbarbosa@...

Be sure to check the website from time to time. It is updated at least once a month and generally more than once.
www.legionxxiv.org New material includes details on early Roman Calendars and months, updates to the Glossary, new gladiator helmets on the Ludus Magnus page, more details about the Colosseum and other updates throughout the website. Check in often.

Thanking you for your continued support of Legion XXIV, I remain;

Vires et Honos - Strength and Honor

Gallio / George




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21595 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Re: Religio by Commitio
In a message dated 3/22/04 12:01:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,
sardonicus_@... writes:

> No, it's not okay because it's still a crock of dookie. Anyone who shouts
> down differing opinions has issues beyond simple insult or offense. Can I
> make your god or gods cease to exist simply because I denied the existence
> of such on a mailing list? If so, then you give me more power than I want.
>
> Does your faith depend upon mine? If not, then why not simply accept the
> fact that my beliefs differ from yours?

Salvete!

You are right, that mocking my gods indeed will not cause them to cease to
exist.
And fundamentally you are correct, Rome enjoys freedom of religion. It is
when such freedom is abused that we tend to get upset. I saw nothing wrong with
your original statement, if you want to say bar Joseph was a rabbi and a man,
but not the Son of God, because of Roman historical documentation, well,
that's your right.
However, once you said it, then other people will attempt to prove you wrong.
That is the way it works in religious argument. If you say black, people
that disagree are going to say white.
It is up to you to not get upset by it. If they call you a liar, then you
may take legal matters in your hand if you believe such a charge has ruined your
reputation. We have a code for such protection.
The Religio Roma here is protected from any citizen attempting to replace it
with his beliefs as the State religio.
But if you do not follow it, no harm will befell you. If you are a
magistrate, we ask you to respect it in public.
As Cassiodorius once said "Religious argument is no occupation for decent
people"
I continue to believe this is true.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21596 From: Christopher L. Wood Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Re: Religio by Commitio
Salvete Sardonice et Quirites,

I was hoping this thread would have died already, but Sardonicus, you have
said it best what needed saying. I feel the same way; God can fight his own
arguments! Petty human outrages come from insecure egos. Too many people are
so easily "offended". I expect better behavior from people who have been
through the flames of discussion lists than to make new citizens feel
unwelcome.

Those of us who have been on the list for a while and see how things are
should watch our own behavior, since we can't expect every new person to
know the rules. If someone touches a "hot-button" topic, contact that person
in private before shouting to the list. And if you feel someone's words are
"offensive", see if the person's intent was to offend. Answer with your
criticism in private, if his intent was only to discuss. If the person's
intent was to offend, still email your remarks in private. Let the
moderators know if you really feel someone is baiting or otherwise trying to
stir up trouble, and let them handle it. You can always ignore their
messages, and if someone is really being honest or just plain nuts, all the
shouting in the world won't change their mind, and makes the shouter look
very undignified.

If you really have an answer that would help explain why you disagree, and
would be illuminating to the group, then, by all means share it with the
group. But just shouting down someone is unproductive and wastes bandwidth.
If you feel the need to educate someone about their style or choice of
topics, do it in private! Public reproach is embarrassing, makes the
reproachee feel the need to "defend" against the charge, and continues a
thread long past the time it should have been dropped. If someone needs
censuring for egregious misconduct, then let the censors take action, and
allow for due process.

Valete,
Ti. Ambrosius Silvus

-----Original Message-----
From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus [mailto:sardonicus_@...]
Sent: Monday, 22 March 2004 8:38
To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Religio by Commitio


Salvete,

"People; polytheists, Christians and Jews, are sensitive about
their religion, to propose that someone's god or gods do not exist
will definitely get you in one hot flame war.
which is why everyone jumped on you. Okay?"

No, it's not okay because it's still a crock of dookie. Anyone who shouts
down differing opinions has issues beyond simple insult or offense. Can I
make your god or gods cease to exist simply because I denied the existence
of such on a mailing list? If so, then you give me more power than I want.
Does your faith depend upon mine? If not, then why not simply accept the
fact that my beliefs differ from yours?

The constitution of Nova Roma states, "As a nation, Nova Roma shall be the
temporal homeland and worldly focus for the Religio Romana." Therefore, one
could argue that Christianity and Judaism have no place here. I do not make
that contention, and I openly accept the religions and beliefs of any
citizen of Nova Roma.

If you are contending that I should take my opinions elsewhere because you
do not agree with them, you do all citizens of Nova Roma a disservice. The
statement in the constitution after that quoted above reads, "The primary
functions of Nova Roma shall be to promote the study and practice of pagan
Roman civilization, defined as the period from the founding of the City of
Rome in 753 BCE to the removal of the altar of Victory from the Senate in
394 CE and encompassing such fields as religion, culture, politics, art,
literature, language, and philosophy." If this statement about paganism is
taken in context with the constitutional statement above, wouldn't you agree
that it was the intent of the founders of Nova Roma to encourage such
discussion?

Aren't the people who gave tongue to indignation of his opinion as much at
fault in expressing inflammatory remarks? Why then, defend those people who
decried Lucius Ambrosius' opinions? If the only valid argument against his
right to express his opinions here is that he is "new" and "doesn't
understand the way we do things here", perhaps we should consider the status
quo. Please do not attempt to deny my right to discuss religion in context
on this list and I will not refute your right to do so.

Valete,
LCSardonicus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21597 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: LUDI CIRCENSES FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE -- FINAL RACE
Greetings again, my fellow citizens and peregrini! This is Q. Lanius
Paulinus reporting. Here we are for the final race for this
Quinquatria! It has come down to two competitors now. For the Albata
Faction we have the chariot and team Maledicti with Vesanicus as
driver owned by Cn. Salix Galaicus. Now the Praesina Faction is
represented by the chariot Confluat with Polycrates as driver owned by
Lucius Quintius Constantinus. It has been an interesting race day with
a few big surprises and the mood of 100,000 plus crowd is more upbeat
than earlier in the day. I am sure these two champions will give us an
extraordinary demonstration of horsemanship.

The charioteers have drawn lots and it looks like Confluat is in the
innermost lane and Maledicti is in the outer. G. Iulius Scaurus drops
the mappa to signal the start and the gates are sprung. Wow, the two
charioteers are really kicking up the dust as they go into the first
lap. This is indeed one of the faster starts I have seen! As the
dolphin drops to mark the start of lap number two it seems that both
charioteers are keeping up much the same pace. It looks like Maledicti
is fanning his rival not wanting him to get out and away from the
spina. As Confluat slows so does Maledicti as we enter the fourth
lap. The horses on both teams do not seem to be tiring yet and much
can happen in the last three laps.

Oh, here we go! There is a loud crack of the whip muffled by the roar
of the crowd and Confluat surges ahead of Maledicti and makes a
beeline toward the outer wall of the track! Maledicti pursues Confluat
with great vigor and catches up. Err - yep, he is trying to shadow
him, yes he is and tries to push Confluat into the outer wall more
than halfway through the fifth lap. Is something wrong? No, Confluat
looked like he was coming to a grinding halt but he feigned Maledict1
who flies past him almost colliding but Confluat thunders off and
makes a fantastic diagonal on the last quarter of the track right to
the corner of the spins passing dangerously close and yikes, I don't
see how his chariot didn't smash and flip over. This risky turn paid
off because Confluat gained a little distance ahead of Maledicti!

Ah, by Jove the luck of the gods is with Confluat for he just pulled
his chariot directly in front of Maledicti in order to make him eat
some dust and to add insult to injury - wow! Confluat flies diagonally
across the track dangerously hugging the corner of the spina as he
enters the last half of the seventh lap. Yes, there is another second
wind with Confluats horses, no way Maledicti can catch him now and yes,

Confluat crosses the finish line to take first place in the final and
here's to Factio Praesina!

The aediles come down from the pulvinar to present Polycrates with the
palma aurea. I can't hear what they're saying to Polycrates over the
roar of Praesina fans' applause, but it must be good because
Polycrates is smiling ear-to-ear. He and L. Quintus Constantius are
happy men today.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21598 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: MUNERA TERTIA FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE
Hello Again. This is M. Vitellius Cordus once again overlooking the
white sands as we conclude our third and final day of fights. With me
of course is the lanista and retired secutor Audens How are you
today, Audens?

"Fine, Corde. Looking forward to today's action. We shall see some
fine fighting. Two of Rome's best as well the old man himself will be
fighting today."

When you say "old man" you mean no doubt, Mactator.

"Yes, he is getting up there, but what he lost in speed he makes up in
savvy."

How many times has he been in the Arena, now?

"Fifty three fights. He took over the school after Flavius Acciptator
retired. That was three years ago. He still fights four or five times
a year."

Audens, truth now. You and Mactator. Who wins?

"Well that would be a fight. But I'd beat him. I just know more."

Well you heard it here. But before we get to the old man, we have
several with Rome's up and comers right?

"You said it. Pipinna the Thrakan is here, as well as Attalius the
Gaul. Both are god fighters. We are in for a day's of good fighting."

But first we have an other armored fighter against a chaser: Phillipus
the Greek of the school of Phenix, hoplomachus, II vix, against a
tyro, Brocchus secutor of the school of Mactator. Bets will be first
blood and victory.

Warmups are complete. There's the trumpet. The gate of life opens and
there is the first pair of the day. Phillipus looks very large in his
armor carrying his big round shield. He is in white. Brocchus as a
Samnite is in red.

Summa Rudis steps between them. Secundus moves behind Brocchus.
Salute! The Summa steps away, and lay on!

Wang! Brocchus just ran in and bounced a slice off the big shield.
Phillipus just stands there. Brocchus runs around to his left, but
Phillipus wards him off. No getting around to his rear.

Brocchus is backing up looking for an opening. There isn't much. All
right Brocchus drives in from the left, slices... Parried. Brocchus
falls back.

Brocchus comes in from the right this time. Shield swipe from the
Greek causes him to retreat.

"Brocchus is doing the right thing. Lots of shifting and feints to
tire the heavy armed out."

Again Brocchus comes in from the left... slices... armor turned it.
Whoa, Phillipus just aimed a lighting like flash of steel in return
and again Brocchus falls back. This could go on all day.

Brocchus rushes... oops, bounces off the sturdy armored target. He
again falls back. Phillipus just stands there.

"As a heavy armed is trained to do. Conserve energy."

Brocchus is going to try the right this time, shield hook for an
opening, slice parried, counterthrust... parries... slice, Brocchus'
shield caught that, overhead slash! Blocked! Brocchus better get out
of there... thrust, off the armor... Brocchus cuts and finally gets away.

"That was an interesting sequence. The shield hook was a good idea.
That round shield is unstable. He wasn't strong enough to pull it off
though."

Brocchus feints left drives right cuts for the shoulder... Strike!
SCORE! Habet! First blood to Brocchus... he tripped! He's rolling
away! He lost his shield... no matter... the heavy armed threw his
away to pursue... jams his gladius into the calf of Brocchus' unarmed
leg! Brocchus is pinned!

Oh what a shame. Hold! Summa requests decision.

"Bad luck there. Tripped over a foot. It happens. I'll bet stantes
missi."

I wouldn't take that bet. The crowd is imploring to send him back And
the Editor agrees. He points to the gates of life. Almost, hmmm, Audens?

"If he hadn't tripped. he would have slashed that heavy armed's back
wide open."

There they go. leaving the through the gates of life.

Next fight is another wizard of the knife of Dalmaticus, Mus, with ten
wins. He'll fight Pipinna of the school of Mactator, thrakan, XI vix
et IV stantes missi. This fight shall be to the second blood. So
bets are first blood drawn, two strikes for a victory. Place your
bets now.

Did you like fighting Dalmatician style?

"Nah, you have the knives and he's faster. Always a threat. And
since all he needs to do is score twice for a win, very easy on him."

What about Pipinna?

"Very fast, a expert with the sica. He is very proud of his namesake.
Says it demoralizes his opponent."

There's the trumpet. The gate of life opens and there they are.

Mus is wearing gray with just manica on both arms. Pippina is in
white, sica arm armored, pelta arm not. One greave on the right leg,
he has an Athenian style open faced helmet.

Summa Rudis steps between them. Secundus moves behind Mus Salute!
Wait! The crowd is in hysterics! Pipinna has lifted the front of his
tunic... By the Gods, it is as small as his name indicates. Now he is
dancing around, tunic still raised.

The Editor claps for order. The place is calming down. The fighters
are assuming positions Salute! The Summa steps away, and... Lay on!

Mus slashes blocked... cuts... blocked... Pippina throws a slice...
missed... Mus slashes... parried... Pippina cuts... miss another cut
to the leg... dodged. Break.

Both fighters stare at each other... measuring... now begin again.

Pippina throws a slice... parried... counterslice... armor turns it.
Mus cuts inside the shield... blocked... counterthrust... just
missed... Mus's waterwheel move forces Pippina back.

Break.

Mus spins, two knife combo -- the face and sword wrist, blocked...
counterthust parried, slice parried, cut... blocked... backslash...
parried... counter backslash... blocked... Pippina retreats.

Break.

Mus advances. Pippina slashes... parried, backslash blocked...
slash... strike... no, glanced off. Pippina cuts to the left...
parried, cut to Pippina's face blocked, backslash... parried...
counter backslash... strike to the sword wrist. Habet! First blood to
Mus.

"Now he has to finish it."

Break!

Mus throws himself low and to the right, slashes the unarmored left
leg, going by! Oh what a move! Second blood drawn! Mus wins. The
crowd is going wild... Why didn't he do that earlier, Audens?

"Because he would ended up on his stomach, with his enemy on top of
him. In this case he was safe since second blood ended it. And Summa
Rudis called it at once."

We saw some great knife play there didn't we?

"Yes. That Mus is making a name for himself in the banquet halls of
Rome. I suspect he'll cost a fortune to rent before the year is out."

Both fighters are leaving by the gates of life, but Pippina is limping
not very happy.

"Like I said. Knifemen are hard to battle. And very hard to kill."

Well now we are getting close to the main event. But first, Phenix's
top fighter will fight next. That's the Gaul, correct?

"Ye,p a strong man with lighting fast reflexes. He move very fast for
a big man as you will see"
.
So Attalius the Gaul of the school of Phenix, secutor, XXI vix et IV
stantes missi, is fighting Crassus of the school of Mactator,
hoplomachus, XII vix et VIII stantes missi. Another heavy armed?

"Looks like it."

Bets are for first blood and victory. Get your bets in now.

There's the trumpet. The gate of life opens and here is our third
pair of the day.

Crassus in his silvered armor carrying his big round silver faced
shield with Medusa motiff enters first. He is in white trimmed in
purple. Attalius as a Gaul is in yellow and is following. They stop.
The Summa Rudis steps between them. Secundus moves behind Crassus.
Salute! The Summa steps away, and lay on!

Backslash... blocked. Attalius moves to the left Crussus spins to
meet him, and fends him off. Circle left... Crassus spins to cover
again. Back to the right, and dashes in, slice... missed counter
thrust... missed. He is fast.

"Told you so."

Feints right drives left, and bounces of the shield. He tries to get
a shield hook and is shoved off.

Crassus is keeping him at bay.

"But expending lots of strength while doing it"

True. Attalius feints right again and hooks the shield on the left.
He pulls it open, and cuts the side. Habet! First blood to Attalius.

Crassus pushes him off and slices air.

"Desperate move."

Why, Audens?

"Because, that sword could never reach him. Crassus is appearing to
fight harder so the crowd spares his life when he loses."

You think he is going to lose?

"He'll pass out in a minute. That was a deep wound."

The Summa agrees. He calls a hold. Decision?

"Gates of life. But no matter, Crassus will be dead before the night
is out."

Crowd agrees. Gates of life it is. I hope you are wrong about the
rest. It looks bad though. They are bringing in the litter party to
carry Crassus off.

He cannot move under own power.

There he goes. So another for Attalius. He's over 20 wins now. How
long before the Rudis?

"He'd have to win at least 5 more. And by a large margin."

He will get them though.

"Yes, I think you are right."

Which brings us to the main event, Mactator of the school of Mactator,
recipient of the rudis, secutor, XXXI vix et XXII stantes missi,
fighting Valens the Oscan of the school of Phenix, secutor, XI vix et
VI missi stantes. Bets are for first blood, and victory. Place your
bets now.

And there's the trumpet. The gate of life opens here comes Valens.
He is a Samnite in red, with a bronze cage helmet, red feathered
plume. And now the crowd begins to cheer and stomp their feet.
Mactator is coming. And there he is... in purple. He is carrying a
Samnite trapezoid shield instead of the usual square scutum. Reddish
golden armor, caged helmet. Indeed he is the crowd favorite. Of
course with his ten wins, Valens is no slouch either.

"True. But you cannot discount experience."

The fighters have reached the center. The Summa Rudis steps between
them. The Secundus moves behind Valens. Salute! The Summa steps
away, and it's lay on!

Valens moves in throws a slice, blocked overhead strike blocked.

Mactator counterattacks, backslash, blocked, no parried. Valens move
to the right, throws a cut at the thigh, blocked...Overhead strike by
Mactator... blocked.

Mactator cuts to the thigh..., no... head slice... he took the head off!

Valen's blood fountains up and over the fighter and the Secundus. Now
he topples. First blood and the victory to Mactator!

He shakes his Gladius over his head in triumph. Now he salutes the
crowd. The crowd is cheering... He turns and starts a victory jog
around the perimeter of the Arena. So, what happened?

"Mactator feinted towards the thigh, when Valens dropped the shield to
block, he craned his neck to see over the shield, and the slice took
and severed the throat and muscles. That's all. Game over!"

Mactator has reached the gates of life, he pauses to wave to the crowd
one more time before vanishing into its dark depths.

So Audens. This brings us to the end of our day. I enjoyed working
with you, and hope to do so in the future.

And now for Audens and myself, M. Vitellius Cordus, I wish you a
pleasant afternoon from the arena where we just saw Mactator win by
taking the head of Valens in less than a minute. What a fight.
Farewell everybody!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21599 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: the Racing Factions
Salvete omnes;
I want to commend the wonderful Ludi Circenses and my good friend
Quintus Lanius, for his great reportage,
but sadly an avid race-goer like myself missed the deadline. Why?
No posts at the Factio Praesina group encouraging us & telling us the
dates. The new Domini of the factiones must go to their groups,
encourage participation, factio spirit, and post warnings about the
dates,
My factio Praesina usually has a big turnout but with no warnings
or posts it's easy to forget especially with the big volume on the ML.

So Please Domini don't forget to post reminders on the ML and your
factio groups!!
Septima Fabia Vera Fausta, Factio Praesina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21600 From: artabrus Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Re: LUDI CIRCENSES FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE -- FINAL RACE
My driver accepts the defeat in nice latin:

'Quid? Ego secundus et stultus praesinae victor?... Merdaaa!'


Thanks for the Ludi and congratulations for the winner ;-)


Salix Galaicus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21601 From: Ambrosius Artorius Iulianus Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Re: Religio by Commitio
Salvete,

Cornelius Sardonicus has, I think, articulated a reasonable framework
for evaluating public exchanges of inflamatory opinions. It would be
nice (perhaps) to live in a world where no one ever had an opinion
you or I found controversial or offensive, but it doesn't help to
overreact. If someone posts a message I don't like, I try as much as
I can to ignore it (unless it relates to a debate over the public
policy of Nova Roma). In my opinion, flame wars are started, not by
the bait, but by those who take it.

An easy aphorism to remember: Praise in public, punish in private.

Valete,
Artorius
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C. Ambrosius Artorius Iulianus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus"
<sardonicus_@h...> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> "People; polytheists, Christians and Jews, are sensitive about
> their religion, to propose that someone's god or gods do not exist
> will definitely get you in one hot flame war.
> which is why everyone jumped on you. Okay?"
>
> No, it's not okay because it's still a crock of dookie. Anyone who
shouts
> down differing opinions has issues beyond simple insult or
offense. Can I
> make your god or gods cease to exist simply because I denied the
existence
> of such on a mailing list? If so, then you give me more power than
I want.
> Does your faith depend upon mine? If not, then why not simply
accept the
> fact that my beliefs differ from yours?
>
> The constitution of Nova Roma states, "As a nation, Nova Roma shall
be the
> temporal homeland and worldly focus for the Religio Romana."
Therefore, one
> could argue that Christianity and Judaism have no place here. I do
not make
> that contention, and I openly accept the religions and beliefs of
any
> citizen of Nova Roma.
>
> If you are contending that I should take my opinions elsewhere
because you
> do not agree with them, you do all citizens of Nova Roma a
disservice. The
> statement in the constitution after that quoted above reads, "The
primary
> functions of Nova Roma shall be to promote the study and practice
of pagan
> Roman civilization, defined as the period from the founding of the
City of
> Rome in 753 BCE to the removal of the altar of Victory from the
Senate in
> 394 CE and encompassing such fields as religion, culture, politics,
art,
> literature, language, and philosophy." If this statement about
paganism is
> taken in context with the constitutional statement above, wouldn't
you agree
> that it was the intent of the founders of Nova Roma to encourage
such
> discussion?
>
> Aren't the people who gave tongue to indignation of his opinion as
much at
> fault in expressing inflammatory remarks? Why then, defend those
people who
> decried Lucius Ambrosius' opinions? If the only valid argument
against his
> right to express his opinions here is that he is "new" and "doesn't
> understand the way we do things here", perhaps we should consider
the status
> quo. Please do not attempt to deny my right to discuss religion in
context
> on this list and I will not refute your right to do so.
>
> Valete,
> LCSardonicus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21602 From: Lucius Cornelius Cicero Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Oath of Office
OATH OF OFFICE

Ego, Lucius Cornelius Cicero (Michael Campbell Coetzee) hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum/am, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum/am esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Lucius Cornelius Cicero (Michael Campbell Coetzee) officio Interpres
Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae
temporibus me culturum/am, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita
me persecuturum/am esse IVRO.

Ego Lucius Cornelius Cicero (Michael Campbell Coetzee) Religioni Romanae me fauturum/am et eam defensurum/am, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum/am esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Lucius Cornelius Cicero (Michael Campbell Coetzee) officiis muneris Interpres me quam optime functurum/am esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Interpres una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.

Hoc diu, Ante diem X Kalendae Aprilis MMDCCLVII
a.u.c., Consulibus Cn. Salix Astur et Gn. Equitius Marinus






I, Lucius Cornelius Cicero (Michael Campbell Coetzee) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I Lucius Cornelius Cicero (Michael Campbell Coetzee), swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Lucius Cornelius Cicero (Michael Campbell Coetzee) swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Lucius Cornelius Cicero (Michael Campbell Coetzee) swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Lucius Cornelius Cicero (Michael Campbell Coetzee) further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Interpreter to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Interpreter and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

In South Africa, given on ante diem X Kalendae Aprilis MMDCCLVII
a.u.c. In the consulship of Cn. Salix Astur and Gn. Equitius Marinus


Valete,

Lucius Cornelius Cicero

INTERPRETER(Afrikaans)
SCRIBA GENII DOCTRINAE PHILOSOPHIAE (Academia Thules)




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21603 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Provincial magistracy open - Legatus Regionis Rhode Island
G. Lanius Falco S.P.D.

Salvete, omnes

As Propraetor of Nova Britannia I am seeking a qualified candidate to serve
as Legatus Regionis Rhode Island. This individual should be someone who is
self-motivated, able to communicate via Internet, and has a passion for all
things Roman. If you feel you are such a person, contact me immediately and we
will discuss your appointment in more detail.

Valete,

G. Lanius Falco
*****************************************************
Propraetor Nova Britannia
Praefectus Sodalitas Egressus Nova Britannia
Scriba Curatoris Differum
Paterfamilias Gens Lania


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21604 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Re: the Racing Factions
Salve

I am also more than a bit bothered by the fact that the Aediles gave
the Dominae/Domini of the factions absolutely no time to prepare
anything, despite having been asked for such by myself well over a
month ago.

Last year we had well more than a week to prepare the factions for
the Ludi, and here we had what appears to be less than a day.

I posted a message on the Praesina list several weeks ago after
emailing the Aediles and expecting a reply from them. Then the other
day I logged in to find that the races were set and then that the
first race had been run!

Not everyone can check every mailing list every single day. That is
one reason why in the past there has been ample time for people to
prepare. But apparently that is not the case this year.

I am just as upset as you are, perhaps more so, because I
specifically took the time to email the aediles and ask them about
the schedule long ago.

I understand you frustration and share it.
In fact this is not the only thing that I have been frustrated with
of late, but it may just be the last straw.

Bene Vale
Livia Cornelia Hibernia
Domina Factionis Praesinae

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sep. Fabia Vera" <rory12001@y...>
wrote:
> Salvete omnes;
> I want to commend the wonderful Ludi Circenses and my good friend
> Quintus Lanius, for his great reportage,
> but sadly an avid race-goer like myself missed the deadline. Why?
> No posts at the Factio Praesina group encouraging us & telling us
the
> dates. The new Domini of the factiones must go to their groups,
> encourage participation, factio spirit, and post warnings about the
> dates,
> My factio Praesina usually has a big turnout but with no warnings
> or posts it's easy to forget especially with the big volume on the
ML.
>
> So Please Domini don't forget to post reminders on the ML and
your
> factio groups!!
> Septima Fabia Vera Fausta, Factio Praesina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21605 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2004-03-22
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses
Livia Cornelia Hibernia Quiritibus S.P.D.

I have just reviewed the messages posted to the main list regarding
the, apparently, just concluded Ludi Circenses and I must say that I
am amazed and more than just a bit angry.

The announcement of the Ludi was posted on the 19th of March and here
it is the 22nd and the races are finished!!!!

In the past we have had at least a week to make our entries, if not
longer. Also as I understand the Faction leaders were given time to
prepare their factions, to run practice races and generally build up
enthusiasm.

As you may recall quite some time ago I posted to the main list
inviting Citizens to join Factio Praesinae and members of Praesina
know that I posted to the faction list that I had emailed the aediles
about the race schedules and asking for the chance to have practice
races. I was told that they were modifying the software and that they
would let me know when we could hold practices.

Well, none of that happened.

I am very upset at this. This and other things that I have seen of
late and I really hope that things change.

Right now I am too upset to really talk about it any further.
I need to go and think about what needs to be done to prevent this in
the future.

Valete
Livia Cornelia Hibernia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21606 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses
G. Iulius Scaurus Liviae Corneliae Hiberniae salutem dicit.

Salve, Livia Cornelia.

> I have just reviewed the messages posted to the main list regarding
> the, apparently, just concluded Ludi Circenses and I must say that I
> am amazed and more than just a bit angry.
>
> The announcement of the Ludi was posted on the 19th of March and here
> it is the 22nd and the races are finished!!!!

The first public announcement of the ludi circenses was on March 13 in
message 21400 on this list. The domini factionis were informed
shoftly after their appointment that the racing season would begin
with the Quinquatria and its date. I have a copy of email in which
you were informed. Would you like me to post it to this list for
conformation? Domini factionis are expected to read the main list as
that is where official announcements of the ludi are made. If you are
unable to do this, I suggest that you appoint a deputy to do so.

> In the past we have had at least a week to make our entries, if not
> longer. Also as I understand the Faction leaders were given time to
> prepare their factions, to run practice races and generally build up
> enthusiasm.

You were informed at the time of your appointment when the first races
would occur. I assumed that you would prepare on that basis. If that
assumption was wrong, I apologise.

> As you may recall quite some time ago I posted to the main list
> inviting Citizens to join Factio Praesinae and members of Praesina
> know that I posted to the faction list that I had emailed the aediles
> about the race schedules and asking for the chance to have practice
> races. I was told that they were modifying the software and that they
> would let me know when we could hold practices.
>
> Well, none of that happened.

My colleague M. Iulius Perusianus is coordinating with software writer
to provide a public venue for test races which includes the rule
changes we made. I do not know when it will be ready. I wrote my own
Pascal programme to resolve the races of the Quinquatria. May I also
point out that there have never before been ludi circenses for the
Feria Quinquatriae in Nova Roma, and that we shall be observing all
the major feriae this year -- which means four times more curule
aedilician ludi circenses than have been available in any previous
year. The domini fractionis were provided with a list of them all at
the time of their appointment. With four times the amount of script
writing usually expected of the curules aediles I expect the domini
factionis to read the main list for public announcements and plan
accordingly for the ludi circenses rather than receiving individual
announcements of the ludi circenses. I do not think that expectation
is unreasonable.

> I am very upset at this. This and other things that I have seen of
> late and I really hope that things change.

Would you care to be specific?

> Right now I am too upset to really talk about it any further.
> I need to go and think about what needs to be done to prevent this in
> the future.

The way for this not to happen again is for you to read this list for
announcements of the ludi and consult the list of feriae with ludi
which was sent to you.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21607 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: ante diem X Kalendae Aprilis -- Feria Quinquatriae
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem X Kalendae Aprilis; the day is nefastus publicus,
sacred to Mars, the Feria Quinquatriae, and the Feria Tubilustrii.

Ante diem VII Idus Martii was the occasion of the second procession of
the Salii Palatini. The Salii Palatini*, members of the Collegium
Saliorum Palatinorum, were twelve patricians priests of Mars Gravidus
to whom the twelve ancilia were entrusted when they were not stored in
the Palatine temple of Mars. The ancilia were shields, oval in shape
with symmtrical convex curves at the centre (there is an illustration
of Salii carrying ancilia in the ML photos section), bearing two
parallel reverse-s like markings on the centre and one each placed
horizontally at the top and bottom. The original ancile fell from
heaven in the reign of Numa, and Mamurius Veturius created eleven
exact copies of the divinely-sent exemplar. The ceremonial attire of
the Salii Palatini consisted of an embroidered tunic cinched by a
bronze belt, the toga trabea, and the apex (the Salii in the
illustration are not wearing the apex), a sword on the belt and a
spear in the right hand. On the Kalends of March (March 1), ante diem
VII Idus Martii (March 9), and ante diem X Kalendae Aprilis (March 23)
the Salii conducted a procession, bearing the ancilia in their left
hands or on their shoulders while singing and executing an intricate,
highly formalised dance. During the dance they carried either spears
or rods (the evidence is unclear) which they struck against their
shields. The songs of the Salii, the Asamenta, were of great
antiquity (the average Roman would have had trouble following the
archaic language [Varro, _De lingua Latina_ 7.2]) and the Asamenta was
sung a capella. Chief among the subjects of the songs was praise of
Mamurius Veturius, as well as various Gods and Goddesses addressed
archaicly, such as Ianuli, Iunonii, and Minvervii. Varro provides two
rare glimpses of the language of the Asamenta in his discussion of
consonantal shifts (De lingua Latina 8.26):

Cozeui oborieso. Omnia vero ad Patulcium commissei.
Ianeus iam es, duonus Cerus es, duonus Ianus.
Venies potissimum melios eum recum

and

Divum em pa cante, divum deo supplicate.

The procession of the Salii ended with an elaborate feast at the
temple of Mars.

Ovid (_Fasti_ 3.849-350) says of the Tubilustrium, the last day of the
Quinquatria:

On the final day, the fifth, to purify the resounding trumpets
She admonishes, and to sacrifice to the powerful Goddess.

The Tubilustrium was a formal lustration and purification of the horns
of war and ritual, culminating in a sacrifice to Minerva Capta on the
Caelian.

Tomorrow is ante diem IX Kalendae Aprilis; the day is fastus.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21608 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Tubilustrium -- Feria Quinquatriae
In the early morning, shortly after dawn, the pontifices, sacerdotes
Minervae, and civil magistrates gathered at the Temple of Minerva
Capta on the slope of the Caelian. Others joined them, horn players
and the custodians of horns -- military and religious -- as well as
devotees of Minerva. Solemnly the pontifices bless and lustrate the
horns, propitiating Minerva and all the Di Immortales so that victory
might be had in battle and all caerimoniae might be litationes. The
senior aedilis curulis and a sacerdos Minervae perform their ablutions
as all is made ready. They approach the altar. Silence is demanded
and the sacred flutes begin to play, lest an inauspicious sound
disturb the caerimonia.* Reading from the scroll held by the sacerdos
Minervae, who also whispers the words with him to aid him in avoiding
an vitiating mistake, the aedilis curulis invokes the Di Immortales to
witness the sacrifice -- first Ianus, then Iuppiter Optimus Maximus,
then Iuno Regina, and Mars Pater, and Quirinus -- with incense and
libations of unmixed wine. When the praefatio is completed, the
aedilis continues with the praecatio to Minerva Capta herself, calling
her aid for the Senate and People of the Nova Romans, the Quirites,
concluding with a libation on the focus of the altar.

The victim is brought forward, a white heifer, her head garlanded with
red and white wool ribbons, across her back the brocade, fringed
dorsuale. The dorsuale is removed by attendants, the heifer lowers
here head, then the aedilis curulis pours a few drops of wine upon the
ox's head, sprinkles the victim's back with mola salsa, and draws the
bronze sacrificial blade down the ox's back. The aedilis curulis
commands the victimarius to strike, bringing the bronze poleaxe down
upon the victim's head. The heifer, stunned by the blow, goes to her
knees, and another victimarius neatly cuts the victim's throat.
Within moments the victim is dead. The victim is placed on her back,
her belly opened quickly, and the haruspex inspects the internal
organs (exta): the liver, the lungs, the biliary blister, peritoneum
and heart. Each is normal, and the haruspex and aedilis curulis
pronounce the sacrifice to be litatio -- accepted by Minerva
Sapientissima. These exta are reserved and skewered to be grilled
before offering to Minerva. The victimarii render the remainder of
the heifer in preparation for the epulum.

When the skewered exta are grilled, the aedilis curulis sprinkles them
with mola salsa and salt before placing them upon the burning focus of
the altar, the offers a libation of unmixed wine, "Minerva Capta,
macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio esto [Most Wise
Minerva, may you be honoured by this feast offering, may you be
honoured by the humble wine]." He pours then a libation to each of
the invoked Gods and Goddesses in turn, and to Vesta, custodian of the
sacred fire. He profanes the remainder of the meat which is taken to
be roasted for the epulum feast.

The participants in the sacrifice partake of the epulum, eating the
meat and bread, drinking wine, praying and offering libations to
Minerva Sapientissima, joining in a common meal with the Gods to
celebrate the feria.

With the ceremonies of the Tubilustrium the Feria Quinquatriae ends.

__________________
* - The precise formulae of the caerimoniae of the sacrifices of the
Feria Tubilustrii are unknown, but it is likely that they followed the
general form of most propritiatory sacrifices of the ritus Romanus, as
suggested here. Since Nova Roma is not in the position to offer
animal sacrifices at this time, a sacerdos Minverae offers a
non-animal sacrifice for the feria, a report of which will be posted
on the main list.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21609 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: List of Ludi Circenses
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

To avoid any future confusion I am providing here the list of feriae
at which ludi circenses will be held the rest of this year:

March 26-27: Feriae Latinae (special religious race of champions
chosen by Domini Factionis)
April 4-10: Megalesia
April 19-26: Cerialia (Aediles Plebei)
April 27- May 2: Floralia
June 25-26: Ludi Taurei Quinquennale
July 6-13: Ludi Apollinares
July 20-30: Ludi Victoriae Caesaris
August 21: Consualia
September 5-19: Ludi Romani
Oct 11-12: Meditrinalia
October 13-14: Fontinalia
October 19: Armilustrium
Oct. 25-Nov. 1: Ludi Victoriae Sullanae
Nov. 4-17: Ludi Plebei (Aediles Plebei).
Dec. 11: Septimonium

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21611 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Saturnalia
We celebrate Saturnalia within Nova Roma online and I did this past year
with friends...although I can't remember much aside from a baseball cap with
antlers and a bunch of naked people. I had fun...I think.


>From: "Sarah Anthony" <sarah@...>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: <nova-roma@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] Saturnalia
>Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:18:24 -0000
>
>I am working on a documentary about the history of Christmas, and I just
>wondered whether there are any groups that still celebrate Saturnalia,
>or other Winter Solstice celebrations?
>
>
>
>Many thanks,
>
>
>
>Sarah Anthony
>
>
>
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>
>

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21612 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Religio by Commitio
"I saw nothing wrong with
your original statement, if you want to say bar Joseph was a rabbi and a
man,
but not the Son of God, because of Roman historical documentation, well,
that's your right."

I never said that Jesus was not the son of God, or God himself, or a spirit
right along with the Lares. I said that WHETHER OR NOT I BELIEVE in his
diety, he did, in fact, exist...based on historical documents and
archaeological discoveries. Based on a dearth of historical information, I
think that's pretty darn cool that we can say that. And I also said that
the Romans weren't condemning Christians, because Christianity wasn't an
issue...they were simply solving a problem in a Roman way. Kill the source.

But, that's not what I meant...perhaps I should've been more precise. I was
trying to convey that it is unfair that people jumped on a newcomer for
speaking his mind. I could cut and paste a few choice comments but the
messages are still there and you can read them at your leisure. I'm still
trying to figure out how those messages blasting him for his supposed
anti-christian comments relate to this list. But, as you said, "The Religio
Roma here is protected from any citizen attempting to replace it with his
beliefs as the State religio. But if you do not follow it, no harm will
befell you. If you are a magistrate, we ask you to respect it in public."
Thank the Gods that none of you currently hold public office. Heh.

If religious argument is no occupation for decent people, why did you
respond? You scamp, you.

Vale,
LCSardonicus


>From: QFabiusMaxmi@...
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Religio by Commitio
>Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 15:50:34 EST
>
>In a message dated 3/22/04 12:01:05 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>sardonicus_@... writes:
>
> > No, it's not okay because it's still a crock of dookie. Anyone who
>shouts
> > down differing opinions has issues beyond simple insult or offense. Can
>I
> > make your god or gods cease to exist simply because I denied the
>existence
> > of such on a mailing list? If so, then you give me more power than I
>want.
> >
> > Does your faith depend upon mine? If not, then why not simply accept
>the
> > fact that my beliefs differ from yours?
>
>Salvete!
>
>You are right, that mocking my gods indeed will not cause them to cease to
>exist.
>And fundamentally you are correct, Rome enjoys freedom of religion. It is
>when such freedom is abused that we tend to get upset. I saw nothing wrong
>with
>your original statement, if you want to say bar Joseph was a rabbi and a
>man,
>but not the Son of God, because of Roman historical documentation, well,
>that's your right.
>However, once you said it, then other people will attempt to prove you
>wrong.
> That is the way it works in religious argument. If you say black, people
>that disagree are going to say white.
>It is up to you to not get upset by it. If they call you a liar, then you
>may take legal matters in your hand if you believe such a charge has ruined
>your
>reputation. We have a code for such protection.
>The Religio Roma here is protected from any citizen attempting to replace
>it
>with his beliefs as the State religio.
>But if you do not follow it, no harm will befell you. If you are a
>magistrate, we ask you to respect it in public.
>As Cassiodorius once said "Religious argument is no occupation for decent
>people"
>I continue to believe this is true.
>
>Valete
>Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
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>

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21613 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Religio by Commitio
To quote an actor I admire, "Jumpin Jehosephat, YEHAAA!". Seems to me
that if the moderator of this list found fault with his post (being new and
all), she could've nipped it in the bud, so to speak. Thank you, Tiberius
Ambrosius Silvus.

Point taken. I promise to shut up now.


>From: "Christopher L. Wood" <xwood@...>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] Religio by Commitio
>Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:26:33 -0500
>
>Salvete Sardonice et Quirites,
>
>I was hoping this thread would have died already, but Sardonicus, you have
>said it best what needed saying. I feel the same way; God can fight his own
>arguments! Petty human outrages come from insecure egos. Too many people
>are
>so easily "offended". I expect better behavior from people who have been
>through the flames of discussion lists than to make new citizens feel
>unwelcome.
>
>Those of us who have been on the list for a while and see how things are
>should watch our own behavior, since we can't expect every new person to
>know the rules. If someone touches a "hot-button" topic, contact that
>person
>in private before shouting to the list. And if you feel someone's words are
>"offensive", see if the person's intent was to offend. Answer with your
>criticism in private, if his intent was only to discuss. If the person's
>intent was to offend, still email your remarks in private. Let the
>moderators know if you really feel someone is baiting or otherwise trying
>to
>stir up trouble, and let them handle it. You can always ignore their
>messages, and if someone is really being honest or just plain nuts, all the
>shouting in the world won't change their mind, and makes the shouter look
>very undignified.
>
>If you really have an answer that would help explain why you disagree, and
>would be illuminating to the group, then, by all means share it with the
>group. But just shouting down someone is unproductive and wastes bandwidth.
>If you feel the need to educate someone about their style or choice of
>topics, do it in private! Public reproach is embarrassing, makes the
>reproachee feel the need to "defend" against the charge, and continues a
>thread long past the time it should have been dropped. If someone needs
>censuring for egregious misconduct, then let the censors take action, and
>allow for due process.
>
>Valete,
>Ti. Ambrosius Silvus
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus [mailto:sardonicus_@...]
>Sent: Monday, 22 March 2004 8:38
>To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [Nova-Roma] Religio by Commitio
>
>
>Salvete,
>
>"People; polytheists, Christians and Jews, are sensitive about
>their religion, to propose that someone's god or gods do not exist
>will definitely get you in one hot flame war.
> which is why everyone jumped on you. Okay?"
>
>No, it's not okay because it's still a crock of dookie. Anyone who shouts
>down differing opinions has issues beyond simple insult or offense. Can I
>make your god or gods cease to exist simply because I denied the existence
>of such on a mailing list? If so, then you give me more power than I want.
>Does your faith depend upon mine? If not, then why not simply accept the
>fact that my beliefs differ from yours?
>
>The constitution of Nova Roma states, "As a nation, Nova Roma shall be the
>temporal homeland and worldly focus for the Religio Romana." Therefore,
>one
>could argue that Christianity and Judaism have no place here. I do not
>make
>that contention, and I openly accept the religions and beliefs of any
>citizen of Nova Roma.
>
>If you are contending that I should take my opinions elsewhere because you
>do not agree with them, you do all citizens of Nova Roma a disservice. The
>statement in the constitution after that quoted above reads, "The primary
>functions of Nova Roma shall be to promote the study and practice of pagan
>Roman civilization, defined as the period from the founding of the City of
>Rome in 753 BCE to the removal of the altar of Victory from the Senate in
>394 CE and encompassing such fields as religion, culture, politics, art,
>literature, language, and philosophy." If this statement about paganism is
>taken in context with the constitutional statement above, wouldn't you
>agree
>that it was the intent of the founders of Nova Roma to encourage such
>discussion?
>
>Aren't the people who gave tongue to indignation of his opinion as much at
>fault in expressing inflammatory remarks? Why then, defend those people
>who
>decried Lucius Ambrosius' opinions? If the only valid argument against his
>right to express his opinions here is that he is "new" and "doesn't
>understand the way we do things here", perhaps we should consider the
>status
>quo. Please do not attempt to deny my right to discuss religion in context
>on this list and I will not refute your right to do so.
>
>Valete,
>LCSardonicus
>

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21614 From: Kristoffer From Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Fwd: photos or pictures for russian magazine
Salvete, omnes.

The communication quoted below was received earlier today to the
webmaster-alias. It could be spam, but I perceive the sender, one Polina
Velichko, to be who she claims to be. If one of our cives who knows
russian could check her information through the site:
http://www.om.ru
I would be most grateful. If one of you would feel like contacting her
in person, send me a private e-mail.

A short summary:
She is asking for high-resolution pictures of the Nova Roman logo and
"any other images", which I would interpret as Nova Roman images in
particular. She claims to be the photoeditor of a russian "lifestyle
magazine", and wants the images to "illustrate the article in our April
issue". If any of you have any suitable images, please let me know.

Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.

Polina Velichko wrote:

> Dear friends!
>
>
>
> Our lifestyle magazine OM (Moscow, Russia) is very interested in
> the high resolution images of pictures
>
>
>
> Nova Roma LOGO
>
> or
>
> any other images* *
>
>
>
> in order to illustrate the article in our April issue.
>
> We would be very grateful if you can provide us some images via email.
>
>
>
> OM is our original publication launched in 1995; it's glossy lifestyle
> magazine aimed at (relatively) young and fashion-conscious
> audience. It has won numerous national specialists' awards for design,
> style in fashion photos, as well as several Best Cover of the Year
> prizes.
>
>
>
> Certainly we guarantee to publish all usual acknowledgements.
>
>
>
> Thank you very much in advance and looking forward to hearing from you.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Photoeditor Polina Velichko.
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21615 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses
M Iul Perusianus Quiritibus SPD

this public attack on G Iul Scaurus'operate was totally out of place
and, according to the messages that were posted in this ml, not even
acceptable!

I'd like to witness the perfect collaboration between my Senior
colleague, Honorable C Iul Scaurus, and me.
My praises for his wonderful job, especially for giving us daily
useful and interesting links, and celebrating ALL the festivals kept
in Roman times.

valete

Marcus Iulius Perusianus,
Aedilis Curulis

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "g_iulius_scaurus" <gfr@w...> wrote:
> G. Iulius Scaurus Liviae Corneliae Hiberniae salutem dicit.
>
> Salve, Livia Cornelia.
>
> > I have just reviewed the messages posted to the main list
regarding
> > the, apparently, just concluded Ludi Circenses and I must say
that I
> > am amazed and more than just a bit angry.
> >
> > The announcement of the Ludi was posted on the 19th of March and
here
> > it is the 22nd and the races are finished!!!!
>
> The first public announcement of the ludi circenses was on March 13
in
> message 21400 on this list. The domini factionis were informed
> shoftly after their appointment that the racing season would begin
> with the Quinquatria and its date. I have a copy of email in which
> you were informed. Would you like me to post it to this list for
> conformation? Domini factionis are expected to read the main list
as
> that is where official announcements of the ludi are made. If you
are
> unable to do this, I suggest that you appoint a deputy to do so.
>
> > In the past we have had at least a week to make our entries, if
not
> > longer. Also as I understand the Faction leaders were given time
to
> > prepare their factions, to run practice races and generally build
up
> > enthusiasm.
>
> You were informed at the time of your appointment when the first
races
> would occur. I assumed that you would prepare on that basis. If
that
> assumption was wrong, I apologise.
>
> > As you may recall quite some time ago I posted to the main list
> > inviting Citizens to join Factio Praesinae and members of
Praesina
> > know that I posted to the faction list that I had emailed the
aediles
> > about the race schedules and asking for the chance to have
practice
> > races. I was told that they were modifying the software and that
they
> > would let me know when we could hold practices.
> >
> > Well, none of that happened.
>
> My colleague M. Iulius Perusianus is coordinating with software
writer
> to provide a public venue for test races which includes the rule
> changes we made. I do not know when it will be ready. I wrote my
own
> Pascal programme to resolve the races of the Quinquatria. May I
also
> point out that there have never before been ludi circenses for the
> Feria Quinquatriae in Nova Roma, and that we shall be observing all
> the major feriae this year -- which means four times more curule
> aedilician ludi circenses than have been available in any previous
> year. The domini fractionis were provided with a list of them all
at
> the time of their appointment. With four times the amount of script
> writing usually expected of the curules aediles I expect the domini
> factionis to read the main list for public announcements and plan
> accordingly for the ludi circenses rather than receiving individual
> announcements of the ludi circenses. I do not think that
expectation
> is unreasonable.
>
> > I am very upset at this. This and other things that I have seen
of
> > late and I really hope that things change.
>
> Would you care to be specific?
>
> > Right now I am too upset to really talk about it any further.
> > I need to go and think about what needs to be done to prevent
this in
> > the future.
>
> The way for this not to happen again is for you to read this list
for
> announcements of the ludi and consult the list of feriae with ludi
> which was sent to you.
>
> Vale.
>
> G. Iulius Scaurus
> Aedilis Curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21616 From: politicog Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: LUDI CIRCENSES FERIAE QUINQUATRIAE -- FINAL RACE
--- artabrus <piteas@...> wrote:
>
> My driver accepts the defeat in nice latin:
>
> 'Quid? Ego secundus et stultus praesinae victor?...
> Merdaaa!'
>
>
> Thanks for the Ludi and congratulations for the
> winner ;-)
>
>
> Salix Galaicus


Thanks. It's the first time that my chariot has won
the final race. :)

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21617 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses
Salvete Quirites,

Marcus Iulius Perusianus wrote:

> M Iul Perusianus Quiritibus SPD
>
> this public attack on G Iul Scaurus'operate was totally out of place
> and, according to the messages that were posted in this ml, not even
> acceptable!

I agree that it was a very unfortunate misunderstanding. I've
communicated with Gaius Iulius earlier today on this matter, but I
suppose I should say something here in public too. I've been keeping
Livia Cornelia Hibernia very busy with tax duties of late, and I think
she missed the original announcement because of that. While I know that
her duties as Domina Factionis ought to be entirely separate from her
duties as Quaestor, she is only one woman, and between her full time
employment and her work as Consular Quaestor I think the Ludi caught her
unaware.

Perhaps someone else in the Praesina Factio can step forward, and offer
to help her with the racing organization?

In any case, I make no apology for her words to Gaius Iulius. They
should not have been posted. But it's now water under the bridge.
Please recognize that Livia Cornelia is one of our most active and
involved citizens, and judge her accordingly.

Valete,

-- Gn. Equitius Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21618 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses
L. Arminius Faustus TRP SPD

Salvete,

Gentlemen, aediles dearest to all gods, I don´t see the question as
attack or anything. Citizen Cornelia Hibernia has just questioned a
roman magistrate, as her right. You must use her opinion as a
feedback, not an attack. There is no reason for angryness. If you
think their arguments are not valid, you showed the reasons why they
are not valid (as stating, for example, your previous posts warning
about the Ludi, showing ´ad rem´ her argument was not valid). But
there is no place for angryness, oh no.

If a magistrate consider questions as attacks, perhaps he will lose
all feedback from the citizens.

So, on the name of Concordia, Aediles, there is no reason to be
angry. She questioned, wonderful! I pray to Minerva Sapientissima
that all citizens do question NR magistrates! Now, if you think there
is no valid, answer like the gentlemen you are, stating arguments.
But hear her arguments, hear dearly. If you have clear certain that
has not make the announcemnt of the ludi fast, BUT a citizen thought
them fast, perhaps, you could think ´the way that is generating these
misunderstandings´. Like the old saying ´To be considered bad, being
not bad, it is not being bad, it is being silly.´

I write this because it seems the seeds of a turmoil on this list
there is no reason. Oh no, no, no, no, no... Aedile Scaurus, you have
been unanimously praised by almost all citizens on public, (even for
me), so, answering with softness and good-will, no matter the tone
she used, shall sure be a laurel crown upon all the many merits we
all know you have plenty.

Vale bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus, Tribunus Plebis


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Marcus Iulius Perusianus"
<m_iulius@v...> wrote:
> M Iul Perusianus Quiritibus SPD
>
> this public attack on G Iul Scaurus'operate was totally out of
place
> and, according to the messages that were posted in this ml, not
even
> acceptable!
>
> I'd like to witness the perfect collaboration between my Senior
> colleague, Honorable C Iul Scaurus, and me.
> My praises for his wonderful job, especially for giving us daily
> useful and interesting links, and celebrating ALL the festivals
kept
> in Roman times.
>
> valete
>
> Marcus Iulius Perusianus,
> Aedilis Curulis
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "g_iulius_scaurus" <gfr@w...>
wrote:
> > G. Iulius Scaurus Liviae Corneliae Hiberniae salutem dicit.
> >
> > Salve, Livia Cornelia.
> >
> > > I have just reviewed the messages posted to the main list
> regarding
> > > the, apparently, just concluded Ludi Circenses and I must say
> that I
> > > am amazed and more than just a bit angry.
> > >
> > > The announcement of the Ludi was posted on the 19th of March
and
> here
> > > it is the 22nd and the races are finished!!!!
> >
> > The first public announcement of the ludi circenses was on March
13
> in
> > message 21400 on this list. The domini factionis were informed
> > shoftly after their appointment that the racing season would begin
> > with the Quinquatria and its date. I have a copy of email in
which
> > you were informed. Would you like me to post it to this list for
> > conformation? Domini factionis are expected to read the main
list
> as
> > that is where official announcements of the ludi are made. If
you
> are
> > unable to do this, I suggest that you appoint a deputy to do so.
> >
> > > In the past we have had at least a week to make our entries, if
> not
> > > longer. Also as I understand the Faction leaders were given
time
> to
> > > prepare their factions, to run practice races and generally
build
> up
> > > enthusiasm.
> >
> > You were informed at the time of your appointment when the first
> races
> > would occur. I assumed that you would prepare on that basis. If
> that
> > assumption was wrong, I apologise.
> >
> > > As you may recall quite some time ago I posted to the main list
> > > inviting Citizens to join Factio Praesinae and members of
> Praesina
> > > know that I posted to the faction list that I had emailed the
> aediles
> > > about the race schedules and asking for the chance to have
> practice
> > > races. I was told that they were modifying the software and
that
> they
> > > would let me know when we could hold practices.
> > >
> > > Well, none of that happened.
> >
> > My colleague M. Iulius Perusianus is coordinating with software
> writer
> > to provide a public venue for test races which includes the rule
> > changes we made. I do not know when it will be ready. I wrote
my
> own
> > Pascal programme to resolve the races of the Quinquatria. May I
> also
> > point out that there have never before been ludi circenses for the
> > Feria Quinquatriae in Nova Roma, and that we shall be observing
all
> > the major feriae this year -- which means four times more curule
> > aedilician ludi circenses than have been available in any previous
> > year. The domini fractionis were provided with a list of them
all
> at
> > the time of their appointment. With four times the amount of
script
> > writing usually expected of the curules aediles I expect the
domini
> > factionis to read the main list for public announcements and plan
> > accordingly for the ludi circenses rather than receiving
individual
> > announcements of the ludi circenses. I do not think that
> expectation
> > is unreasonable.
> >
> > > I am very upset at this. This and other things that I have seen
> of
> > > late and I really hope that things change.
> >
> > Would you care to be specific?
> >
> > > Right now I am too upset to really talk about it any further.
> > > I need to go and think about what needs to be done to prevent
> this in
> > > the future.
> >
> > The way for this not to happen again is for you to read this list
> for
> > announcements of the ludi and consult the list of feriae with ludi
> > which was sent to you.
> >
> > Vale.
> >
> > G. Iulius Scaurus
> > Aedilis Curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21619 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: the Racing Factions
>
> I posted a message on the Praesina list several weeks ago after
> emailing the Aediles and expecting a reply from them. Then the
other
> day I logged in to find that the races were set and then that the
> first race had been run!
>
>
Salve Livia Cornelia;
my apologies to you. I remember that post and am sorry that you were
not notified. We've always had a terrific factio; I am sorry I said.
that you and the other domini are less than organized.
bene vale Septima Fabia Vera Fausta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21620 From: Flavia Lucilla Merula Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Use of names
A. Apollonius Cordus wrote:

>
>The main point, on which I think we agree, is that use
>of the praenomen on its own is to be discouraged.
>
Presumably all the references are referring to men. I believe women
were simply referred to by a feminine form of their gens name, though
I've no sources so could easily be wrong. What, do you think wouls be
the proper way to adress a female or, indeed, to sign an email.

Flavia Lucilla Merula (using the full name to be on the safe side :-) )
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21621 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Ludi Circenses
. While I know that
> her duties as Domina Factionis ought to be entirely separate from
her
> duties as Quaestor, she is only one woman, and between her full
time
> employment and her work as Consular Quaestor I think the Ludi
caught her
> unaware.
>
> Perhaps someone else in the Praesina Factio can step forward, and
offer
> to help her with the racing organization?
>
Salvete;
it was my voice that started this, I'm sorry to say. There is no
blame, merely that we have devoted magistrates who are so busy and
need some help!
And if it is not too much I will be happy to help Livia Cornelia
Hibernia over at Factio Praesina.
We have an incredible list of Ludi and I am really indebted to
Scaurus & Perusianus for giving the opportunity to celebrate the
Feriae.
optime valete Sep. Fabia Vera Fausta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21622 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Edictum Censorius CFQ III de Nominationibus in Cohorte Censoris CFQ
Ex Officio Censoris Iunioris Caesonis Fabii Quintiliani

Edictum Censoris CFQ III de Nominationibus in Cohorte Censoris CFQ
(The Third Censorial edict CFQ on an appointment in the Cohors
Censoris CFQ)

I. Septima Fabia Vera Fausta, Civis, Hibernia Provincia, is hereby
appointed Scriba Censoris CFQ.

II. Septima Fabia Vera Fausta is hereby granted authorization to view
and edit any citizen information that is necessary in order to
perform the duties assigned to her by Censor CFQ.

III. This Edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given the 23rd of March, in the year of the Consulship of Gnaeus
Salix Astur and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, 2757 AUC.
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21623 From: Caius Minucius Scaevola Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Fwd: photos or pictures for russian magazine
Salve, Titus Octavius Pius:

On Tue, Mar 23, 2004 at 04:31:53PM +0100, Kristoffer From wrote:
> Salvete, omnes.
>
> The communication quoted below was received earlier today to the
> webmaster-alias. It could be spam, but I perceive the sender, one Polina
> Velichko, to be who she claims to be. If one of our cives who knows
> russian could check her information through the site:
> http://www.om.ru
> I would be most grateful. If one of you would feel like contacting her
> in person, send me a private e-mail.

I'll take a look and let you know what I find out.


Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Cuiusvis hominis est errare, nullius nisi insipientis in errore perseverare.
Anybody can err, but only the fool persists in his fault.
-- Cicero, "Philippicae orationes". Often quoted "errare humanum est,
ignoscere divinum" - to err is human, to forgive divine.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21624 From: Titus Arminius Genialis Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Oath of Office
IVRAMENTA

Ego, Titus Arminius Genialis, hoc ipso facto sollemniter iuro Novae Romae decus defendere et semper pro Novae Romae Populo atque Senatu agere.

Ut Novae Romae magistratus ego, Titus Arminius Genialis, Romae deos deasque colere iuro in omnibus publicae vitae temporibus atque Romanas virtutes et ublica et privata vita persequi.

Ego, Titus Arminius Genialis, Romanam religionem favere et defendere iuro ut Novae Romae Reipublicae religionem et numquam agere ita ut eius status publicae religionis aliquid detrimenti capiat.

Praeterea ego, Titus Arminius Genialis, iuro quam optime fungi officium muneris lusitaniae linguae interpres meum Novae Romae civis honore et coram Populi Romani deis atque deabus et eorum voluntate et favore, munus rogatoris accipio una cum iuribus, privilegiis. munera atque officia quae meum munus comportat.

======

JURAMENTO

Eu, Titus Arminius Genialis, juro solenemente honrar e agir sempre no melhor dos interesses do Povo e do Senado de Nova Roma.

Como um magistrado de Nova Roma, eu, Titus Arminius Genialis, juro honrar os deuses e deusas de Roma nos meus atos públicos, e procurar alcançar as virtudes romanas na minha vida pública e privada.

Eu, Titus Arminius Genialis, juro honrar e defender a Religio Romana como a religião oficial de Nova Roma e juro nunca agir de maneira a ameaçar seu status de religião oficial.

Eu, Titus Arminius Genialis, juro proteger e defender a Constituição de Nova Roma.

Eu, Titus Arminius Genialis, juro também cumprir com as obrigações e responsabilidades do cargo de intérprete para a língua portuguesa usando as minhas melhores habilidades.

Sob minha honra enquanto cidadão de Nova Roma, e na presença dos deuses e deusas do povo romano e por seu favor, eu aceito o cargo de intérprete para a língua portuguesa com todos os direitos, privilégios, obrigações e responsabilidades a ele inerentes.

======

OATH

I, Titus Arminius Genialis, do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Titus Arminius Genialis swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Titus Arminius Genialis swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Titus Arminius Genialis swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Titus Arminius Genialis further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Portuguese language interpreter to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Portuguese language interpreter and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.



Valete optime bene.

Titus Arminius Genialis.

In Paulicea Regio, Brasilia Provincia, a.d. X Kal Apriles MMDCCLVII auc.




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21625 From: equestriaiunialaeca Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Fwd: photos or pictures for russian magazine
Salve Titus Octavius Pius,

Although I am not fluent, I do know enough Russian to read that the
website has nothing to do with rome, history, religion or any of the
things Nova Roma is based on. The site is mostly based on intimate
relations and geared toward the entertainment industry. I hope this
helps.

Vale,

Equestria Iunia Laeca




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Kristoffer From <from@d...> wrote:
> Salvete, omnes.
>
> The communication quoted below was received earlier today to the
> webmaster-alias. It could be spam, but I perceive the sender, one
Polina
> Velichko, to be who she claims to be. If one of our cives who
knows
> russian could check her information through the site:
> http://www.om.ru
> I would be most grateful. If one of you would feel like contacting
her
> in person, send me a private e-mail.
>
> A short summary:
> She is asking for high-resolution pictures of the Nova Roman logo
and
> "any other images", which I would interpret as Nova Roman images
in
> particular. She claims to be the photoeditor of a
russian "lifestyle
> magazine", and wants the images to "illustrate the article in our
April
> issue". If any of you have any suitable images, please let me know.
>
> Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.
>
> Polina Velichko wrote:
>
> > Dear friends!
> >
> >
> >
> > Our lifestyle magazine OM (Moscow, Russia) is very interested in
> > the high resolution images of pictures
> >
> >
> >
> > Nova Roma LOGO
> >
> > or
> >
> > any other images* *
> >
> >
> >
> > in order to illustrate the article in our April issue.
> >
> > We would be very grateful if you can provide us some images via
email.
> >
> >
> >
> > OM is our original publication launched in 1995; it's glossy
lifestyle
> > magazine aimed at (relatively) young and fashion-conscious
> > audience. It has won numerous national specialists' awards for
design,
> > style in fashion photos, as well as several Best Cover of the
Year
> > prizes.
> >
> >
> >
> > Certainly we guarantee to publish all usual acknowledgements.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank you very much in advance and looking forward to hearing
from you.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Photoeditor Polina Velichko.
> >
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21626 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Contest of praise
Avete Quirites;
to celebrate this Feria, Lucius Arminius Faustus & I are having a
spontaneous contest of praises to Casta Minerva, come join us on the
Religio List and add your contributions!
bene valete in amore deorum,
Sep. Fabia Vera Fausta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21627 From: QFabiusMaxmi@aol.com Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Religio by Commitio
In a message dated 3/23/04 6:27:30 AM Pacific Standard Time,
sardonicus_@... writes:

> If religious argument is no occupation for decent people, why did you
> respond? You scamp, you.
>
>
Salvete
As a Pontifice here I constantly try and get the point across, that one's man
Religio
may not be for everybody and Nova Roma does not wish to regulate anybodys'
private worships or beliefs. We, the College of Pontiffs, are only concerned
when it attempts to undermine the State worship.

In this case it did not. So the poster was within his right to post. Those
who took objection
were within their right to object to the post. And there it should stay.
This established, we may move on to other things.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21628 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Report of the Cermonia Feria Tubilustrii
Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix Quiritibus S.P.D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem X Kalendae Aprilis, the the Feria Tubilustrii and is sacred to Dea Minerva and Mars Pater.

As Minerva Templi Sacerdotes, to observe this feria I performed the
following caerimonia:

I bathed in preparation, then, garbed in toga praetexta, cinctu Gabino,
capite velato, I began the praefatio.

Praefatio

"Iane pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novorum Romanorum Quiritum [Father
Ianus, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you
may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People of the Nova
Romans, the Quirites"]. I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti
sies volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novorum Romanorum
[Iuppiter Best and Greatest, by offering this incense to you I pray good
prayers, so that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate
and People of the Nova Romans, the Quirites"]. I placed incense in the
focus of the altar.

"Iuno Dea, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitia mihi et Senatui Populoque Novorum Romanorum Quiritum [Goddess
Iuno, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you
may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People of the Nova
Romans, the Quirites"]. I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novorum Romanorum Quiritum [Father
Mars, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you
may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People of the Nova
Romans, the Quirites.]" I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Quirine pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novorum Romanorum Quirites
[Father Quirinus, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers,
so that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People
of the Nova Romans, the Quirites.]" I placed incense in the focus of the
altar.

"Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Ianus, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the focus
of the altar.

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene
precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Iuppiter Best
and Greatest, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were
well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I
poured a libation on the focus of the altar.

"Iuno Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem
rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Goddess Iuno, as by offering to you
the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be
honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the focus of the
altar.

"Mars pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Mars, as by offering to
you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this
be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the focus of
the altar.

"Quirine pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Quirinus, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the
sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on
the focus of the altar.

I washed my hands in preparation for the praecatio.

Precatio

"Minerva Capta, tubas bucinasque belli caerimoniaeque lustres et
providias ut nos, Senatus Populusque Novorum Romanorum Quiritum,
victoriam et litationem habeamus, tibi fieri oportet culignam vini dapi,
eius rei ergo hac illace dape pullucenda esto [Minerva Capta, may you
cleanse the trumpets and horns of war and ritual and may you ensure that
we, the Senate and People ofthe Nova Romans, the Quirites, have victory
and auspicious sacrifice; to you it is proper for a cup of wine to be
given, for the sake of this thing may you be honoured by this feast
offering]." I poured a libation on the focus of the altar.

Again I washed my hands in preparation for the redditio.

Redditio

"Minerva Capta, dea bellica, quae nobis victoriam contra omnes hostes
confert, macte istace dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio esto
[Minerva Capta, war-like Goddess, who bestows on us victory over all
enemies, may you be honoured by this feast offering, may you be honoured
by the humble wine.]" I offered Minerva Capta cakes* and wine on the
focus of the altar.

"Quirine pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Quirinus, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the
sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on
the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Mars, as by offering to
you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this
be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the focus of
the altar.

"Iuno Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum, eiusdem
rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Goddess Iuno, as by offering to you
the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of this be
honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the focus of the
altar.

"Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Ianus, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the focus
of the altar.

"Vesta Dea, custos ignis sacri, macte vino inferio esto [Goddess Vesta,
guardian of the sacred fire, be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured
a libation on the focus of the altar.

"Illicet [It is permitted to go.]"

I profaned wine and cakes, and I partook of the epulum with Minerva
Capta, praying as I ate and offering libations in my private devotions.

Piaculum

Since the historical caerimonia of the feria of the Tubilustrium has not
yet been recovered, I offered a piaculum to Minerva Capta if anything in
this caerimonia should offend her:

"Minerva Capta, si quidquam tibi in hac caerimonia displicet, hoc ture
veniam peto et vitium meum expio [Minerva Capta, if anything in this
ceremony is displeasing to you, with this incense I ask forgiveness and
expiate my fault.]" I offered incense on the focus of the altar.

"Minerva Capta, si quidquam tibi in hac caerimonia displicet, hoc vino
inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio [Minerva Capta, if anything in
this ceremony is displeasing to you, with this humble wine I ask
forgiveness and expiate my fault.]" I poured a libation on the focus of
the altar.

*Sacrificial Cakes: For the feast offering of cakes I baked libum, a
very simple traditional cake of flour and cheese commonly used as a
sacrifical offering. I followed the recipe of Cato:

"Libum is made like this: knead 2 pounds of cheese in the mortar. When
it is well kneaded add 1 pound of [white] wheat flour, or if you want
it a little lighter, half a pound of flour. Mix this well with the
cheese, add an egg and mix again. This makes a bread that can be placed
on leaves and slowly baked in an oven, covered with a lid" (Cat. R.R. LXXV)

Patrick Faas, in his book _Around the Roman Table: Food and Feasting in
Ancient Rome_ recommends that ricotta, curd or cottage cheese be use in
the recipe, and that the libum be baked for 45 minutes at 350 degrees
F/180 degrees C. I choose ricotta, which came conviently enough in a 2
pound container. I used natural, unbleached white wheat flour, and an
organic brown egg. Once the dough was welll mixed and kneaded, I rolled
it out into a long rectangle about 6" x 12" and 1" thick, and placed it
on a baking sheet greased with olive oil. I brushed the top of the libum
with oil as well and set it in the oven. I ended up baking it 50
minutes, since at 45 it was still a bit undercooked in the center. It
turned a lovely golden brown, and smelled quite nice, but it has very
little taste.

Vale,

C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix
Minerva Templi Sacerdotes et Pontifex





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21629 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Contest of praise
C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix Sep. Fabia Vera Fausta et L. Arminio Fausto
et Quritibus S.P.D.

Salvete.

I would like to publically praise and thank Sep. Fabia Vera Fausta and
Lucius Arminius Faustus for thier "spontaneous contest of praises to
Casta Minerva". I am sure that Minerva is well pleased by your wonderful
efforts, and I wold like to post (with your permission of course) you
poetry in the online Temple of Minerva
(www.novabritannia.org/temple.htm). Bravo!

Valete bene,

C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix
Pontifex et Minerva Templi Sacerdotes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21630 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Fwd: photos or pictures for russian magazine
Ave Tite Octavi;
I read the site too, and it is a newsy, gossipy, magazine-lite,
nothing to do with Roma Antiqua,
vale
Sep. Fabia Vera Fausta


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "equestriaiunialaeca" <equestria@o...>
wrote:
> Salve Titus Octavius Pius,
>
> Although I am not fluent, I do know enough Russian to read that the
> website has nothing to do with rome, history, religion or any of
the
> things Nova Roma is based on. The site is mostly based on intimate
> relations and geared toward the entertainment industry. I hope
this
> helps.
>
> Vale,
>
> Equestria Iunia Laeca
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Kristoffer From <from@d...> wrote:
> > Salvete, omnes.
> >
> > The communication quoted below was received earlier today to the
> > webmaster-alias. It could be spam, but I perceive the sender, one
> Polina
> > Velichko, to be who she claims to be. If one of our cives who
> knows
> > russian could check her information through the site:
> > http://www.om.ru
> > I would be most grateful. If one of you would feel like
contacting
> her
> > in person, send me a private e-mail.
> >
> > A short summary:
> > She is asking for high-resolution pictures of the Nova Roman logo
> and
> > "any other images", which I would interpret as Nova Roman images
> in
> > particular. She claims to be the photoeditor of a
> russian "lifestyle
> > magazine", and wants the images to "illustrate the article in our
> April
> > issue". If any of you have any suitable images, please let me
know.
> >
> > Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.
> >
> > Polina Velichko wrote:
> >
> > > Dear friends!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Our lifestyle magazine OM (Moscow, Russia) is very interested
in
> > > the high resolution images of pictures
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Nova Roma LOGO
> > >
> > > or
> > >
> > > any other images* *
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > in order to illustrate the article in our April issue.
> > >
> > > We would be very grateful if you can provide us some images via
> email.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > OM is our original publication launched in 1995; it's glossy
> lifestyle
> > > magazine aimed at (relatively) young and fashion-conscious
> > > audience. It has won numerous national specialists' awards for
> design,
> > > style in fashion photos, as well as several Best Cover of the
> Year
> > > prizes.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Certainly we guarantee to publish all usual acknowledgements.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you very much in advance and looking forward to hearing
> from you.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > >
> > > Photoeditor Polina Velichko.
> > >
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21631 From: gaiusmm Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Test
now I know why Novaromans sometimes send out e-mails labelled test...
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21632 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-03-23
Subject: Re: Use of names
A. Apollonius Cordus to Flavia Lucilla Merula, and to
all citizens and peregrines, greetings.

> Presumably all the references are referring to men.
> I believe women
> were simply referred to by a feminine form of their
> gens name, though
> I've no sources so could easily be wrong.

That's true, the reason of course being that women
lacked praenomina altogether. They also usually lacked
cognomina, at least until the late republic.

> ... What, do
> you think wouls be
> the proper way to adress a female or, indeed, to
> sign an email.

Well, since most women in Nova Roma have a full set of
three names, I'd say the same standards of politeness
ought to apply to them as to men.

As for signing e-mails, I'm not altogether certain. It
was usual for a Roman to begin a letter with his or
her full name as part of a formula like the one I use
(off the top of my head I think Aedile Scaurus and
Calidius Gracchus also use similar formulae, as do
others). This is quite helpful as it lets you know
straight away who's writing, but many people don't do
it and there's nothing wrong with that. I believe
(though I'm not certain) that it was not necessary to
sign one's name again at the end of the letter, though
people sometimes did; also if the letter had been
dictated to a slave the author would sometimes add a
short farewell message at the end in his or her own
handwriting. But at any rate I don't think there was
any fixed protocol governing which names to sign by.

If Dickey is right in saying that Romans were
addressed informally by friends and acquaintances
using only one name, and that usually it was the
cognomen, then I would imagine most Romans would
normally think of their cognomen as their 'personal'
name, though of course in many cases it would be the
same as their father's, so it's not quite the same as
a first name in Western cultures. In a family setting
they would also think of themselves in terms of their
praenomen, but because there were so few of these to
choose from every Roman would probably know umpteen
people with the same one, so it would feel rather less
personal in some ways. Probably one's nomen would feel
least personal since it would be shared by almost all
one's relatives, close or distant.

I don't think it would be rude to sign oneself with
just a praenomen, but it might seem surprisingly
informal and would also encourage people to call one
by it, which would be impolite on their part.

Sorry I can't be more helpful, but I hope that gives
you an idea.





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21633 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-24
Subject: ante diem IX Kalendae Aprilis
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem IX Kalendae Aprilis; the day is fastus.

Tomorrow is ante diem VIII Kalendae Aprilis; the day is comitialis.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21634 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-24
Subject: Re: Contest of praise
Salve, excelent Sacerdos,

Well... hum... sign Minerva is a minimum I can do. I´m engineer, and
she is the patroness of engineering. I use to invoque her everyday in
the job, since college. Without her help, I accomplish nothing.
Yesterday, I made an offering of sweet wine for her, on the
traditional way of my lararium.

Yes, you could post whatever you want!

Vale bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus TRP


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus
<c.minucius.hadrianus@n...> wrote:
> C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix Sep. Fabia Vera Fausta et L. Arminio
Fausto
> et Quritibus S.P.D.
>
> Salvete.
>
> I would like to publically praise and thank Sep. Fabia Vera Fausta
and
> Lucius Arminius Faustus for thier "spontaneous contest of praises
to
> Casta Minerva". I am sure that Minerva is well pleased by your
wonderful
> efforts, and I wold like to post (with your permission of course)
you
> poetry in the online Temple of Minerva
> (www.novabritannia.org/temple.htm). Bravo!
>
> Valete bene,
>
> C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix
> Pontifex et Minerva Templi Sacerdotes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21635 From: Antonius Nebrissensis Date: 2004-03-24
Subject: Re: Use of names
Antonius Aelius Baeticus Nebrissensis sodalibus suis S·P·D·

Salvete, quirites
About this question, I've found it:
http://www.forumromanum.org/life/johnston_2.html
Perhaps it solves some reasonable doubts

Rogo dis ut semper valeatis.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21636 From: Livia Cornelia Hibernia Date: 2004-03-24
Subject: Resignation
Livia Cornelia Hibernia Quiritibus S.P.D.

After much consideration I have this day tendered the
resignation of my Nova Roma citizenship to the Censors.

There are only so many hours in the day to devote to
non-work activities and I have increasingly found that
there are other activities that give me more pleasure
and more satisfaction than Nova Roma. In short, all of
the joy seems to have gone out of my participation, to
any extent, in Nova Roma.

I wish you all the best in your future endeavors.

Optime Vale
Livia Cornelia Hibernia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21637 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-24
Subject: Resignations
Salvete omnes,

It is always a sad day to see people resign their citizenships from
Nova Roma but these things should be taken in stride. For every
citizen that leaves because they are perhaps disillusioned, have
personal, macroworld problems or too big a work load, always
remember that others will come along to fill the gaps with fresh new
ideas. We still will miss those who left us and their contributions
but we must also realize in life that all friends, clubs,
organization and the offices are much like the feathers on a
chicken's back. Many fall out along the way but new fresh ones
spring up. Such is my observation in all walks of life.

Personally, working in Nova Roma as well as our Mexican Cultural
Society brings me no happiness or pleasure either in the physical
sense. Meeting deadlines as a scriba, to forcing myself to learn the
Latin noun declensions, Roman history, report writing etc. certainly
do not give me a nice buzz like a few cold beer on a hot afternoon,
any form of sexual release I'd get at a Neronian orgy or for that
matter a sense of blance and well being one may learn in TIM. Life
always has its trials and tribulations and none of us escape
boredom, frustration, disappointments or set backs in life. What I
do get from Nova Roma is knowledge,education and a real feeling of
mental satisfaction. Since Ancient Rome has always been a great
hobby of mine, I enjoy being here and helping where I can. In return
I know I have increased my knowledge many fold. As mentioned on
another post in th BA, I thought I knew a lot when I first joined NR
and did very well in barroom arguments or the coctail circle. I had
a very rude awakening here and realized after a few weeks that I did
not really know sheep manure from cherry stones when it came to
Rome; in fact I haven't even scratched the surface here. We all have
different prioraties and interests. I would rather spend several
hours a week here than watching a bunch of grown men kicking a hunk
of rubber across a field or patch of ice; I have no interest in the
emotional problems of celebraties or who gets kicked off what
island. A program on ancient Rome, a Thules lesson or lively debate
on the ML or BA is more to my liking.

As for NR we must realize that nation building takes many years if
not centuries to achieve. The politics in the macroworld change so
quickly these days so the gods only know what opportunities may come
along in the future that will allow us to achieve our goals.
Meanwhile I would suggest to many citizens that we should, for the
time being regard NR as a learning institute where we can get
together, exchange knowledge and at least come out better educated
than we were before. This work and discipine will not bring up
happiness and pleasure in the physical sense but will certainly
leave many of us with a sense of more pride and satisfaction knowing
that we were at least able to pick up some more knowledge as well as
seeing some of our tasks and challanges through.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21638 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-03-24
Subject: Subscribe to the new mailing list of Provincia Gallia!
Salvete all,

Unfortunately our previous Propraetor didn't appoint anyone moderator of the NR Gallia list before
he left office, so in order for us to invite new members and access various things on the
yahoogroup, I've made a new mailing list.

All citizens living in Belgium, France and Holland are asked to please join the new list! We have
been discussing our new website, activities, translations etc and your input is most welcome!
Citizens of other Provinces are also welcomed :-)

Citizens who are currently subscribed to the old Gallia list are humbly requested to unsubscribe
from the old list and resubscribe to the new list by sending a blank email to the address below.

NRGallia-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

Valete, thank you, merci en dank u wel!

Diana Octavia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21639 From: Pierre-Jean Tuloup Date: 2004-03-24
Subject: Inscrivez-vous à la nouvelle liste de Provincia Gallia!
Salvete,

Malheureusement, notre précédent Propraetor n'avait
pas nommé de moderateur de la liste NR Gallia avant
de devoir quitter sa charge, de telle sorte que pour
nous permettre d'inviter de nouveaux membres et
d'effectuer diverses opérations sur le groupe yahoo,
J'ai constitué une nouvelle liste de diffusion.

tous les citoyens vivant en Belgique, France et
Hollande sont priés de rejoindre la nouvelle liste !
Nous avons discuté de notre nouveau site Web, de nos
activités, de nos traductions, etc, et votre
participation est la bienvenue !

Les citoyens des autres Provinces sont également les
bienvenus:-)

Les citoyens qui sont actuellement inscrits sur
l'ancienne liste Gallia sont humblement priés de se
désinscrire de cette ancienne liste et de se
réinscrire à la nouvelle en envotant un Email vide à
l'adresse ci-dessous

NRGallia-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

Valete, thank you, merci en dank u wel!

Diana Octavia

[Translated by/Traduit par Lucius Rutilius Minervalis,
Provinciae Galliae Legatus]
=======================================================
Salvete all,

Unfortunately our previous Propraetor didn't appoint
anyone moderator
of the NR Gallia list before
he left office, so in order for us to invite new
members and access
various things on the
yahoogroup, I've made a new mailing list.

All citizens living in Belgium, France and Holland are
asked to please
join the new list! We have
been discussing our new website, activities,
translations etc and your
input is most welcome!
Citizens of other Provinces are also welcomed :-)

Citizens who are currently subscribed to the old
Gallia list are humbly
requested to unsubscribe
from the old list and resubscribe to the new list by
sending a blank
email to the address below.

NRGallia-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

Valete, thank you, merci en dank u wel!

Diana Octavia







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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21640 From: Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2004-03-24
Subject: Please help
I have not been getting e-mails from any of my NR groups since March 11.
I went to yahoo groups last night to try to fix the situation, finding that
there has been plenty going on . I got an e-mail from yahoo saying that I'd
been getting e-mail bounbced from my acct. I tried to fix it and no better
luck today.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21641 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2004-03-24
Subject: Re: Please help
G. Iulius Scaurus G. Cornelio Ahenobarbo salutem dicit.

Salve, G. Corneli.

>I have not been getting e-mails from any of my NR groups since March 11.
>I went to yahoo groups last night to try to fix the situation, finding that
>there has been plenty going on . I got an e-mail from yahoo saying that I'd
>been getting e-mail bounbced from my acct. I tried to fix it and no better
>luck today.
>

Since a good deal of spam gets sent from Yahoo accounts, many ISPs
blacklist Yahoo to prevent spam and you have to ask them to whitelist
your Yahoo groups. That may be the problem you are having. The other
possibility is that your emailbox was filled and your ISP bounced the
excess, which triggers the Yahoo account to shut down. That can be
fixed by replying to the email address in the Yahoo bounce notice and
following the instructions there.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus

>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21642 From: Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2004-03-24
Subject: Ave Mercury!
I am hoping I get this message,
If so, then I have succeeded in reactivating my account

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21643 From: Quintus Bianchius Rufinus Date: 2004-03-24
Subject: SPQR Ring
Salvete:

I haven't noticed any posts about the proposed SPQR ring for citizens of
Nova Roma recently. Will there be a ring commissioned, and is there one
available now? Any info on this topic is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Q. Bianchius Rufinus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21644 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-03-24
Subject: Re: SPQR Ring
Salve

I am keep a list for the SPQR ring that I post to the web site. $85.00 for size 11 sterling silver or $100.00 for other sizes.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
----- Original Message -----
From: Quintus Bianchius Rufinus
To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 9:55 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] SPQR Ring


Salvete:

I haven't noticed any posts about the proposed SPQR ring for citizens of
Nova Roma recently. Will there be a ring commissioned, and is there one
available now? Any info on this topic is greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Q. Bianchius Rufinus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21645 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2004-03-24
Subject: Re: Use of names
In a message dated 3/24/04 9:55:05 AM Eastern Standard Time,
antonius_nebrissensis@... writes:


> Salvete, quirites
> About this question, I've found it:
> http://www.forumromanum.org/life/johnston_2.html
> Perhaps it solves some reasonable doubts
>
>

G. Lanius Falco Omnibus et Antonius Aelius Baeticus Nebrissensis S.P.D

Salvete,

Yes, and thank you for bringing this site to my attention - it appears to
hold a wealth of information!

Valete,

G. Lanius Falco

***************************************************
"Doce ut discas"
Teach that you may learn


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21646 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-25
Subject: ante diem VIII Kalendae Aprilis
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem VIII Kalendae Aprilis; the day is comitialis.

Tomorrow is ante diem VII Kalendae Aprilis and the Feriae Latinae; the
day is comitialis. The Feriae Latinae were a celebration of the Latin
League and its patron Iuppiter Latiaris. On the first day of the
feria the consuls led a procession to the Alban mount and sacrificed
an ox. In addition to oxen, offerings of milk, cheese, cakes, and
lambs were made.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21647 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-03-25
Subject: Re: Resignation
Salve Livia Cornelia,

<In short, all of
<the joy seems to have gone out of my participation, to
<any extent, in Nova Roma.

This is something that all of us go through-- and for some of us every year. What I think taht you
should do is resign only your office but not your citizenship. You never know-- in a year you
might pop in to NR and find that the joy has returned.

<I wish you all the best in your future endeavors.

Take care of yourself dear!

VAle,
Diana Octavia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21648 From: Paula Drennan Date: 2004-03-25
Subject: Re: SPQR Ring
Salve,

about the ring, is there a time limit on when we have to order? I would like one, but even would need to order a different size and have to save up the $100.

Claudia Fabia Calpurnia

Those who wish to appear wise among
fools, among the wise seem foolish.
- Marcus Fabius Quintilianus


----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] SPQR Ring


> Salve
>
> I am keep a list for the SPQR ring that I post to the web site. $85.00 for size 11 sterling silver or $100.00 for other sizes.
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Quintus Bianchius Rufinus
> To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 9:55 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] SPQR Ring
>
>
> Salvete:
>
> I haven't noticed any posts about the proposed SPQR ring for citizens of
> Nova Roma recently. Will there be a ring commissioned, and is there one
> available now? Any info on this topic is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Q. Bianchius Rufinus
>
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>
>
>
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>
>
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>
>
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>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21649 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-03-25
Subject: Re: Resignation
Salve,

L. Arminius Faustus TRP omnia quirites SPD

I´m upset to death with everyone by our completely inneficiency on
dealing with this subject. The question was completeley misjudged
since the starting and the conclusion was even worst.

We simply have forgotten the saying of Father Acquaviva - 'Fortiter
on re, suaviter in modo´. We lost the capacity of a serious and
friendly dialectly argument, we turned everything into eristics, and
making shame to each one. I´m disappointed, yes, yes, yes, too much,
too much...

If a consular quaestor feels like this... imagine a simple citizen...
We, magistrates, have responsabilities. And words... I agree with
Plato, words can generate the worst punishments the gods can send to
men.

Nova Roma will awake weaker tomorrow.

'Corruptio optima, pessima!'

Minerva Sapientissima, save ourselves of us!

Vale bene (and no more ´on pacem deorum´, alas, the gods should give
us a lesson and punish us dearly)

L. Arminius Faustus, Tribunus Plebis


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Livia Cornelia Hibernia"
<livia_cornelia_hibernia@c...> wrote:
> Livia Cornelia Hibernia Quiritibus S.P.D.
>
> After much consideration I have this day tendered the
> resignation of my Nova Roma citizenship to the Censors.
>
> There are only so many hours in the day to devote to
> non-work activities and I have increasingly found that
> there are other activities that give me more pleasure
> and more satisfaction than Nova Roma. In short, all of
> the joy seems to have gone out of my participation, to
> any extent, in Nova Roma.
>
> I wish you all the best in your future endeavors.
>
> Optime Vale
> Livia Cornelia Hibernia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21650 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2004-03-25
Subject: New citizens
I am very pleased to introduce the two newest members of the gens
Moravia, Caius Moravius Brutus and Paulus Moravius Brennus. Welcome
to our clan and to Nova Roma!

Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21651 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2004-03-25
Subject: Ludi Megalesia - Call for Ludi Circenses
M IVL PERVSIANVS QVIRITIBVS SPD

avete omnes,

all the charioteers ready! the great spectacle at the Circus
Maximusbegins in a while!!!

The regulation is based on the EDICTUM AEDILICIUM DE RATIONE LUDORUM
CIRCENSUM, previosly given by our Senior Curulis Aedilis G Ivl Scaurus
and myself (see below).

Please note that the recipient of the subscriptions is substitued with
*** Quintus Salix Cantaber at qsalixcant@... ***
(see also at
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/m_circ_howto.html)

Results of the games will be updated at
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/m_circ_results.html

This is the program of the races:

I. Sunday 4th April :: Ludi Circenses semiquarters (or a preliminary
round to determine 16 charioteers to go on)

II.Tuesday 6th April :: Ludi Circenses, Quarter races

III. Thursday 8th April :: Ludi Circenses, Semifinals races

IV. Saturday 10th April :: LUDI CIRCENSES, Final race

Marcus Iulius Perusianus, Aedilis Curulis
----------------------------------------------------------
ENJOY THE LUDI MEGALESIA 2004 @
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/ludi.html

PLEASE GIVE TO THE MAGNA MATER PROJECT @
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/magnamater6.html
----------------------------------------------------------

Post Scriptum. EDICTUM AEDILICIUM DE RATIONE LUDORUM CIRCENSUM

I. Any Nova Roman citizen or socius who is not under Aedilician
sanction may take part in the Ludi Circenses organised by the Aediles
Curules. Each citizen may enter no more than one chariot per ludi.

II. An entrant who wishes to participate in the Ludi Circenses must
send a subscription to **** Quintus Salix Cantaber at
qsalixcant@... *****
no less than *** two days *** prior to the commencement of the ludi.
Each
subscription must bear the subject header "Ludi Circenses" and include
the following information:

A. His/her name in Nova Roma;

B. The name of his/her driver;

C. The name of his/her chariot;

D. His/her tactics for the Quarter and Semifinals;

E. His/her tactics for the Finals;

F. The name of his/her "factio" or team (Albata, Praesina, Russata,
or Veneta);

G. Dirty actions against another factio in a specific round
(quarter-final, semi-final, or final) and amount of sesterces paid in
support of it (an entrant does not have to pay sesterces to commission
a dirty action, but doing so increases the chances of success);

H. Defence against dirty actions in a specific round (quarter-final,
semi-final, or final) and amount of sesterces paid in support of it
(an entrant does not have to pay sesterces to defend against a dirty
action, but doing so decreases the chances of success of the dirty
action);

I. If sesterces from multiple entrants are pooled to take a dirty
action or defend against a dirty action, the subscription of each
entrant of the pool must so indicate.

III. Tactics: Four (4) race tactics are possible:

A. To hurry in the last laps

B. To pass the curves closely the "spina" of the circus.

C. To support a constant pace

D. To lash the rivals

E. To push the rivals to the wall of the circus

F. To hurry in the straight lines

IV. Dirty actions.

A. An entrant can try the assassination of the driver of a rival
factio or the sabotage of his/her chariot.

1. Assassination of the driver of a rival factio. The entrant must
specify which factio he/she attacks. The base chance of success is 30
%. If the attempt fails it is is discovered and the name of the
entrant who commissioned the assassination and those who contributed
sesterces in support of the assassination will be announced and
subject to disciplinary action by the Aediles Curules. Such
disciplinary action may include disqualification from the current
ludi, banning from future ludi for a specified period of time, or
banning from participation in the ludi for the remainder of the year.
The decision of the Aediles Curules in such matters is final. If the
attempt is successful, the player with the murdered driver cannot take
part in the race and the murderer remains undiscovered.

2. Sabotage of a chariot. The entrant must specify which factio
he/she attacks. The base chance is 45 %. If the attempt is
unsuccessful, it is discovered and the name of the entrant who
commissioned the assassination and those who contributed sesterces in
support of the sabotage will be announced and subject to disciplinary
action by the Aediles Curules. Such disciplinary action may include
disqualification from the current ludi, banning from future ludi for a
specified period of time, or banning from participation in the ludi
for the remainder of the year. The decision of the Aediles Curules in
such matters is final. If the attempt is successful, the player with
the broken chariot will have an accident in the race.

B. Defence against and support for dirty actions. Each entrant shall
receive one hundred sesterces for each ludi. These sesterces may be
used in any round of any race, accumulated from race to race, or
accumulated from other entertainments (e.g., official-sponsored
wagering on munera). These sesterces are not redeemable in Nova Roman
or any other currency and may not be used outside the ways specified
in this edictum. The Aediles Curules shall record the number of
sesterces held and expended by each entrant and their computations
shall be final and unappealable. The sesterces may be expended in any
of the following ways:

1. Application of one hundred sesterces by any entrant to defence of
his/her driver and chariot will render the driver and chariot immune
for one round in the ludi;

2. Entrants from the same factio may pool their sesterces for defence
in a round; for every one hundred sesterces pooled, the chance of
success of a dirty action against that factio is reduced by 5% in that
round.

3. Entrants may pool their sesterces for offence in a round; for
every one hundred sesterces pooled, the chance of success of a dirty
action against the targeted factio is increased by 5% in that round.

V. Organisation of Competition.

A. There will be three rounds to each competition: quarter,
semi-finals, and final.

B. The competition will be for elimination in each round. Every race
will involve no more than four entrants.

C. In the Quarter rounds there will be one entrant from each factio
in each race, unless there are too few entrants from a factio to make
this possible. The first two first place entrants shall advance to
the semi-final round; the remaining two entrants will be eliminated.

D. In the Semifinal round the winners of the Quarter rounds shall
compete. The winning entrants of the Semi-final rounds shall advance
to the final.

E. In the Final round the four best players race; the first place
entrant shall be the winner of the ludi.

VI. Computation of victory.

A. Accidents.

1. Before doing the calculations of a race, the Aediles Curules
determine who has an accident. For it, they roll one dice 0-100 for
every chariot. The resultant number will be its percentage of accident:

- The drivers with tactics 1 will have 0 to 15 percentage of accident
always. 0 to 25 if there are one or more drivers with tactics 4 or 5.

- The drivers with tactics 2 will have 0 to 20 percentage of accident
always. 0 to 35 if there are one or more drivers with tactics 4 or 5.

- The drivers with tactics 3 will have 0 to 10 percentage always.

- The drivers with tactics 4 will have 0 to 15 percentage always. 0 to
25 if there are other drivers with tactics 4.

- The drivers with tactics 5 will have 0 to 15 always. 0 to 25 if
there are other drivers with tactics 5.

- The drivers with tactics 6 will have 0 to 5 percentage always. 0 to
20 if there are other drivers with tactics 4 or 5.

B. Calculation of the races.

1. The Aediles Curules shall determine whether any dirty actions are
successful. If a dirty action is determined to be successful, a
chariot shall be eliminated by lot from among the entrants of the
targeted factio and either declare the driver assassinated or that an
accident caused by sabotage has occurred.

2. After determining which chariots (if any) have been eliminated
from a race due to an accident, the Aediles Curules must calculate the
order in which the remaining teams finished the race.

3. The Aediles Curules will roll one die 0-10 for every entrant. This
will be the Value of Race (VR) of every car.

4. To know the final position of a chariot in the race the VR of
every player is divided by the sum of all the VR and the result is
multiplied by 50. This ewstablishes each entrant's Chance to Win (CW).
For example, if there is a race with 4 chariots with these VR: 6,5,4,2
then the first chariot, with the VR 6, would have the following Chance
to to Win: 6/17 (17 is the sum of 6+5+4+2) x 50 = 17.6 (rounding, 18).
The CW of the first chariot will be 18 points. The second chariot,
with VR 5, would have 5/17x50 = 14.7 (rounding, 15), therefore its CW
is 15 points.

5. The tactics modify the CW of the following way:

Tactics 1) +6 points.

Tactics 2) +8 points.

Tactics 3) No points. The tactics 4 and 5 do not affect it.

Tactics 4) +2 points. The tactics 5 do not affect it.

Tactics 5) +2 points. The tactics 4 do not affect it.

Tactics 6) +4 points.

For example, the Aediles Curules assign each entrant a specific range
of numbers out of a series of 100 that is equal to the entrant's
Chance to Win. They assign these team ranges consecutively. In our
sample race, for example, Chariot 1's range (with tactics 2) would be
01 through 25 (18+7). Chariot 2's range (with tactics 4) would be 26
through 40.

6. In the final step the Aediles Curules will roll a die 0-100 to
determine the order of finish. The chariot within whose range the
first dice 0-100 roll falls is the team that finishes the race in
first place. The chariot within whose range the second dice 0-100 roll
falls is the team that finishes the race in second place. The chariot
within whose range the third D100 roll falls is the chariot that
finishes the race in third place, and so on. Once a chariot's position
has been determined, subsequent rolls that fall within its range are
ignored and the Aediles Curules roll again.

VII. Automatic computation of results by computer in accordance with
the rules established herein is permitted.

VIII. This edictum takes effect immediately.

Given on ante diem V Idus Martii in the consulship of Cn. Salix Astur
and Gn. Equitius Marinus.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis

M. Iulius Perusianus
Aedilis Curulis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21652 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2004-03-25
Subject: Ludi Megalesia -Call for the Cultural Contest
M IVL PERVSIANVS QVIRITIBVS SPD

avete omnes,

enjoy the <<MEGALESIA CULTURAL CONTEST 2004>>!!!

+ Regulation + (also at
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/m_award _rules.html)

1) The literary award, "Megalesia Cultural Contest" is open to all the
citizens of Nova Roma. The task of the contest is to write a text about
a political, social, historical or religious deeds connected to the cult
of the Magna Mater in Rome.

2) The Award is open to single participants or to groups composed of a
maximum of 5 citizens. Each participant or group of participants can
participate with just _one_ work. It isn't allowed to be a member of a
group and participate as a individual at the same time. The contributed
work must be in English, with a maximum of 500 words. These kinds of
works are accepted: novel, poem, drama, tragedy, comedy.

3) Each text must have the following facts about the participant(s):
Nova Roman name, real name, Nova Roman Province, age and e-mail address.

4) The deadline to send own work is April 4th 2004 (2757 a.u.c.) at
24.00 time of Roma, by e-mail to m_iulius@... [m_iulius AT
virgilio DOT it - Marcus Iulius Perusianus] with the subject "Megalesia
Cultural Contest". Entries posted to any Nova Roma mailing list will be
disqualified.

5) The texts will judged by a Jury composed by the following Honourables
Citizens:

- Consul Gneus Salix Astur
- Consul Gneus Equitius Marinus
- Senior Aedile Curule Gaius Iulius Scaurus
- ex Senior Aedilis Curulis and Censor Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
- ex Senior Aedilis Curulis and Tribunus Franciscus Apulus Caesar
- Procurator of Academia Thule, Caius Curius Saturninus
- Coryphaeus of Sodalitas Musarum Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
- Fabia Tullia, Latinist of the Sodalitas Musarum

6) Each judge in the jury shall value each work following this table of
judgement:
- Contents (0-10 points)
- Roman historical references (0-10 points)
- Language (0-10 points)
- Poetry and dramatization (0-10 points)
- Specific references to contents (0-10 points)
The points from all judges are summarized and this sum will decide who
will win (min. 0 - max. 400).
The judgements of the jury are un-impugnable.

7) The result will be published on April 7th 2004 at the Marcus Iulius
Perusianus' Cohors Aedilis Websites Ludi Section
(http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/m_award_results.html) and
on the Main Mailing List of Nova Roma.

8) The winner will have his work published on Marcus Iulius Perusianus'
Cohors Aedilis Websites Ludi Section and, once realized, on the Official
Website of the Magna Mater Project.

9) The texts will be archived by the Ludi organization. The participants
give the copyrights of their text to Nova Roma accepting this
regulation. This Regulation is accepted by taking part of the "Megalesia
Cultural Award".

10) For a brief explanation about how take part, please visit:
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/m_gla_howto.html

valete
Marcus Iulius Perusianus, Aedilis Curulis
----------------------------------------------------------
ENJOY THE LUDI MEGALESIA 2004 @
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/ludi.html

PLEASE GIVE TO THE MAGNA MATER PROJECT @
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/magnamater6.html
----------------------------------------------------------
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21653 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-25
Subject: Re: New citizens
Salvete Quirites,

Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia wrote:

> I am very pleased to introduce the two newest members of the gens
> Moravia, Caius Moravius Brutus and Paulus Moravius Brennus. Welcome
> to our clan and to Nova Roma!

Welcome to you both. You've joined a fine group of people in gens Moravia.

Valete,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21654 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2004-03-25
Subject: Ludi Megalesia 2004
Rome March 25th 2004

EDICTVM AEDILICIVM III - LVDI MEGALESIA ANNO MMDCCLVII AVC
- Megalesia celebrations for the year 2757 AVC (year 2004 AD)

Ex Officio Curulis Aedilis Marci Iulii Perusiani

I. According to the Official Calendar of the Nova Roman festivals
(at http://www.novaroma.org/calendar/aprilis.html), from April 4th to
April 10th, Ludi Megalesia will be celebrated.

II. It's a honor and a pleasure for me and my Cohors to offer to the
Nova Romans a series of games and events.
Even if these games and activities will be held from April 4th to
April 10th some subscriptions are officially now opened.

III. The Calendar of the Ludi Megalesia is the following:
[links to the rules in brackets]

a. Sunday 4th April :
1. Opening of the Ludi                         

2. Religious celebrations or description of the ceremonies


3. Ludi Scaenici

4. Historical Contest #1                       
[http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/m_quiz_rules.html
]

5. Ludi Circenses, semi Quarters races or preliminary round
(according to the number of players)
[http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/m_circ_rules.html
]
*** SUBSCRIPTIONS NOW OPEN! ***

b. Monday 5th April :
1. Venationes
        [http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/m_ven_rules.html%5d
*** SUBSCRIPTIONS NOW OPEN! ***

2. Munera Gladiatoria, Quarter matches          
[http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/m_gla_rules.html%5d
*** SUBSCRIPTIONS NOW OPEN! ***

3. Historical Contest #2                        


c. Tuesday 6th April :

1. Ludi Circenses, Quarter races 

2. Munera Gladiatoria, Semifinal matches
       
3. Historical Contest #3

d. Wednsday 7th April :

1. Megalesia Cultural Award
[http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/m_award_rules.htm
l]
*** SUBSCRIPTIONS NOW OPEN! ***

2. Historical Contest #4  

e. Thursday 8th April :

1. Munera Gladiatoria, Final match 

2. Ludi Circenses, Semifinals races

3. Historical Contest #5   

f. Friday 9th April :

1. Naumachiae
[http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/m_nau_rules.html%5d
*** SUBSCRIPTIONS NOW OPEN! ***

2. Historical Contest #6

g. Saturday 10th April :

1. Ludi Circenses, Final race

2. Historical Contest #7 

3. Magna Mater monthly bulletin                   

4. Closing of the Ludi                         

IV. This general plan and rules, time schedules and more details of
each game at:
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/ludi.html.
A detailed program, rules and modalities of each of these events will
be published on the NR main list before the beginning of Ludi
Megalesia.

V. Megalesia Ludi are organized by the Cohors Aedilis MIP in
collaboration with Senior Curulis Aedilis Gaius Iulius Scaurus and
his staff.

VII. This edictum becomes effective immediately.

VIII. Given on ante diem VIII Kalendas Aprilis in the year of the
consulship of Cn. Salix Astur and Gn. Equitius Marinus.


May Magna Mater protect the Res Publica!

Marcus Iulius Perusianus, Aedilis Curulis
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          ENJOY THE LUDI MEGALESIA 2004 @   
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/ludi.html

       PLEASE GIVE TO THE MAGNA MATER PROJECT @
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/magnamater6.html
----------------------------------------------------------
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21655 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-03-25
Subject: Re: SPQR Ring
Salve

We have 18 people on the list we need 100 to place the order. When we have 100 the order will be placed and from then on we can simply order rings as we get the new orders.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
----- Original Message -----
From: Paula Drennan
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] SPQR Ring


Salve,

about the ring, is there a time limit on when we have to order? I would like one, but even would need to order a different size and have to save up the $100.

Claudia Fabia Calpurnia

Those who wish to appear wise among
fools, among the wise seem foolish.
- Marcus Fabius Quintilianus


----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] SPQR Ring


> Salve
>
> I am keep a list for the SPQR ring that I post to the web site. $85.00 for size 11 sterling silver or $100.00 for other sizes.
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Quintus Bianchius Rufinus
> To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 9:55 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] SPQR Ring
>
>
> Salvete:
>
> I haven't noticed any posts about the proposed SPQR ring for citizens of
> Nova Roma recently. Will there be a ring commissioned, and is there one
> available now? Any info on this topic is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
>
> Q. Bianchius Rufinus
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21656 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: ante diem VII Kalendae Aprilis -- Feriae Latinae
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem VII Kalendae Aprilis and the Feriae Latinae; the
day is comitialis. The Feriae Latinae (originally termed Feriae
Latiaris, according to Macrobius) was a celebration of Alban, Latin,
and Priscan towns centered on the Alban mount. By the end of the
monarchy this festival had been coopted by the Romans as a
commemoration of their alliance with the Latin towns. The festival
centered on Iuppiter Latiaris (the "Latin Iuppiter") to whom the two
Roman consuls sacrificed an ox, as did the leaders of the Latin allies
on the first of the two days of the feria. Offerings of milk,
cheeses, wine, and lambs were also made to Iuppiter Latiaris. It was
a feria conceptiva, a moveable festival the date of which was set by
the consuls (in Nova Roma calendrical authority is vested in the
Collegium Pontificum, which sets the dates of feriae conceptivae) and
repesentatives of the Latin towns were replaced by the Roman
magistrates of those towns as they were granted Roman citizenship.
Large crowds journeyed with the consuls to the Alban mount and the
feria was an opportunity for many entertainments, including the
playing of a game called oscillatio. Festus indicates that this game
involved balancing oneself on a swing hung from a tree; the player was
masked and drank milk. Pliny also reports a race of quadrigae around
the temple of Iuppiter Optimus Maximus on the Capitoline, probably on
the second day of the feria, the winner of which received a draught of
absinthe. The two days of the feria were dies religiosi on which no
non-religious business could be conducted and marriages could not occur.

Tomorrow is ante diem VI Kalendae Aprilis and the Feriae Latinae; the
day is comitialis. On the second day of the feria a race of quadrigae
around the Temple of Iuppiter Optimus Maximus on the Capitoline was held.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21657 From: Gnaeus Salix Astur Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Caerimonia Feriarum Latinarum
Cn. Salix Astur Quiritibus S.P.D.

This morning, following the instructions prepared by Pontifex G.
Iulius Scaurus, I performed a ceremony for the Feriae Latinae to
honour the Gods and to gain their favour for the Roman people and the
Latin allies.

The Feriae Latinae celebrated the formation of the Latin League and
centered on the worship of its patron deity, Iuppiter Latiaris. The
consuls led a great procession to the Alban Mount where they jointly
sacrificed an ox to Iuppiter Latiaris and, prior to the Social War,
the leaders of the Latin allies sacrificed oxen as well (after the
Social War, this responsibility fell on Romans, since most of Latin
allies became Roman citizens). Since Nova Roma is not yet able to
provide an appropriate animal sacrifice in accordance with the mos
maiorum, the consuls will simultaneously offer incense, wine, and
cakes to Iuppiter Latiaris.

I bathed in preparation, then, garbed in toga praetexta, cinctu
Gabino,
capite velato, I began the praefatio.

Praefatio

Iane pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novorum Romanorum Quiritum
et sociis Latinorum [Father Ianus, by offering this incense to you I
pray good prayers, so that you may be willingly propitious to me and
the Senate and People of the Nova Romans, the Quirites, and the Latin
allies]." I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

Iuno Dea, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitia mihi et Senatui Populoque Novorum Romanorum Quiritum et
sociis Latinorum [Goddess Iuno, by offering this incense to you I
pray good prayers, so that you may be willingly propitious to me and
the Senate and People of the Nova Romans, the Quirites, and the latin
allies]." I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

Minerva Dea, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitia mihi et Senatui Populoque Novorum Romanorum Quiritum
et sociis Latinorum [Goddess Minerva, by offering this incense to you
I pray good prayers, so that you may be willingly propitious to me
and the Senate and People of the Nova Romans, the Quirites, and the
Latin allies]." I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novorum Romanorum Quiritum
et sociis Latinorum [Father Mars, by offering this incense to you I
pray good prayers, so that you may be willingly propitious to me and
the Senate and People of the Nova Romans, the Quirites, and the Latin
allies]." I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Quirine pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novorum Romanorum Quirites
et sociis Latinorum [Father Quirinus, by offering this incense to you
I pray good prayers, so that you may be willingly propitious to me
and the Senate and People of the Nova Romans, the Quirites, and the
Latin allies]." I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Ianus, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for
the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a
libation on the focus of the altar.

"Iuno Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Goddess Iuno, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for
the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a
libation on the focus of the altar.

"Minerva Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Goddess Minerva, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for
the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a
libation on the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Mars, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the
focus of the altar.

"Quirine pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Quirinus, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for
the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a
libation on the focus of the altar.

I washed my hands in preparation for the praecatio.

Precatio

"Iuppiter Latiaris, qui societatem foederemque Senatus Populique
Romanorum Quiritum et sociorum Latinorum obsignavit et victoriam
ipsae societati et foederi dedit tibi fieri oportet culignam vini
dapi, eius rei ergo hac illace dape pullucenda esto [Iuppiter
Latiaris, who sealed the league and alliance of the Senate and People
of Rome, the Quirites, and the Latin allies and gave victory to this
same league and alliance, to you it is proper for a cup of wine to be
given, for the sake of this thing may you be honoured by this feast
offering]." I poured a libation on the focus of the altar.

Again I washed my hands in preparation for the redditio.

Redditio

"Iuppiter Latiaris, Domine Montis Albanae, qui nobis orbem terrarum
Senatui Populoque Romanorum et sociis Latinorum dedit, macte istace
dape pollucenda esto, macte vino inferio esto [Iuppiter Latiaris, who
gave the world to the Senatus and People of Rome, the Quirites, and
the Latin allies, may you be honoured by this feast offering, may you
be honoured by the humble wine.]" I offered Minerva Sapientissima
cakes and wine on the focus of the altar.

"Quirine pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Quirinus, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for
the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a
libation on the focus of the altar.

"Mars pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Mars, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the
focus of the altar.

"Minerva Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Goddess Minerva, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for
the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a
libation on the focus of the altar.

"Iuno Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Goddess Iuno, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for
the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a
libation on the focus of the altar.

"Iane pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Ianus, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for
the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a
libation on the focus of the altar.

"Vesta Dea, custos ignis sacri, macte vino inferio esto [Goddess
Vesta, guardian of the sacred fire, be honoured by this humble
wine.]" I poured a libation on the focus of the altar.

"Illicet [It is permitted to go.]"

I profaned wine and cakes, and I partook of the epulum with Iuppiter
Latiaris, praying as I ate and offering libations in my private
devotions.

Piaculum

Since the historical caerimonia of the Feriae Latinae has not yet
been recovered, I offered a piaculum to Iuppiter Latiaris if anything
in this caerimonia should offend her:

"Iuppiter Latiaris, si quidquam tibi in hac caerimonia displicet, hoc
ture veniam peto et vitium meum expio [Iuppiter Latiaris, if anything
in this ceremony is displeasing to you, with this incense I ask
forgiveness and expiate my fault.]" I offered incense on the focus of
the altar.

"Iuppiter Latiaris, si quidquam tibi in hac caerimonia displicet, hoc
vino inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio [Iuppiter Latiaris, if
anything in this ceremony is displeasing to you, with this humble
wine I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.]" I poured a libation on
the focus of the altar.

S.V.B.E.E.V.
CN.SALIX.T.F.A.NEP.OVF.ASTVR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21658 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: New citizens
<Caius Moravius Brutus and Paulus Moravius Brennus. Welcome
<to our clan and to Nova Roma!

Welcome to Nova Roma gentlemen! You're chosen a great Gens and one that has been with Nova Roma
since our early days!
Valete,
Diana Octavia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21659 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: Caerimonia Feriarum Latinarum
Salvete Quirites,

Gnaeus Salix Astur wrote:
> Cn. Salix Astur Quiritibus S.P.D.
>
> This morning, following the instructions prepared by Pontifex G.
> Iulius Scaurus, I performed a ceremony for the Feriae Latinae [...]

As my consular colleague was performing this ceremony in Hispania, I
performed the same ceremony in Mediatlantica at the same time. Thus
both consuls performed the same rites, as was the case in antiquity.

May you all have a good Feriae Latinae, and may the Di Immortales be
pleased with our offerings.

Valete,

-- Gn. Equitius Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21660 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Gone a few days
Salvete omnes,

I just have to nip out to relieve a fellow on a quick drilling
project on
Saturday. I plan to be home Tuesday barring any problems out there.
I'm not
sure if we'll have internet access out there but I'll catch up and
help out
on my return.

Valete bene,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21661 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: Resignation
A. Apollonius Cordus to his friend and Consul Cn.
Equitius Marinus, and to all his fellow-citizens and
peregrines, greetings.

I hope you're well; I'm well.

May I ask whether your former quaestor Cornelia
Hibernia gave you notice of her intention to resign
her office? And if so, may I ask why she is not
remaining in office until her successor is elected?





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21662 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: Resignation
Salvete Quirites, et salve Corde,

A. Apollonius Cordus wrote:

> May I ask whether your former quaestor Cornelia
> Hibernia gave you notice of her intention to resign
> her office?

You may.

(And to save you the trouble of a separate e-mail in which you actually
do ask that, she informed me of her intention the day before she posted
her resignation.)

> And if so, may I ask why she is not
> remaining in office until her successor is elected?

(See pedantic answer above)

I can't answer this with any degree of certainty. Essentially, she
wanted to be quit of all things Nova Roman. She has resigned her
office, her citizenship, her position in the Sodalitas Militarium, and
has deleted the account she used to communicate with us.

Vale,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21663 From: alexious@earthlink.net Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: Resignation
Ave Consul,

Yes that is correct. She resigned everything.

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus gawne@...
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:13:51 -0500
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Resignation


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Salvete Quirites, et salve Corde,<BR>
<BR>
A. Apollonius Cordus wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> May I ask whether your former quaestor Cornelia<BR>
> Hibernia gave you notice of her intention to resign<BR>
> her office?<BR>
<BR>
You may.<BR>
<BR>
(And to save you the trouble of a separate e-mail in which you actually <BR>
do ask that, she informed me of her intention the day before she posted <BR>
her resignation.)<BR>
<BR>
> And if so, may I ask why she is not<BR>
> remaining in office until her successor is elected?<BR>
<BR>
(See pedantic answer above)<BR>
<BR>
I can't answer this with any degree of certainty.  Essentially, she <BR>
wanted to be quit of all things Nova Roman.  She has resigned her <BR>
office, her citizenship, her position in the Sodalitas Militarium, and <BR>
has deleted the account she used to communicate with us.<BR>
<BR>
Vale,<BR>
<BR>
-- Marinus<BR>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21664 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: Use of names
A. Apollonius Cordus to Antonius Aelius Baeticus
Nebrissensis, and to all his fellow-citizens and
peregrines, greetings.

> About this question, I've found it:
> http://www.forumromanum.org/life/johnston_2.html
> Perhaps it solves some reasonable doubts

Thanks for finding this. Sadly it doesn't make very
clear what changes occurred to the use of names in
different periods, but it seems by and large to
confirm Dickey's findings, which increases my faith in both.





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21665 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: Resignation
Avete omnes;
that is extremely poor form from a magistrate, do we have any laws,
for the exigency,say if this person wants to return to NR, barring
them from office for a discrete period of time?
bene valete
SEP. FABIA VERA FAVSTA
PROPRAETRIX HIBERNIAE
SCRIBA CENSORIS CFQ





In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "alexious@e..." <alexious@e...> wrote:
> Ave Consul,
>
> Yes that is correct. She resigned everything.
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21666 From: Paula Drennan Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: SPQR Ring
Salve,
then please put me on the list, please. I would very much like to have one.

Vale,
Claudia Fabia Calpurnia

Those who wish to appear wise among
fools, among the wise seem foolish.
- Marcus Fabius Quintilianus

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] SPQR Ring


> Salve
>
> We have 18 people on the list we need 100 to place the order. When we have 100 the order will be placed and from then on we can simply order rings as we get the new orders.
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paula Drennan
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 8:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] SPQR Ring
>
>
> Salve,
>
> about the ring, is there a time limit on when we have to order? I would like one, but even would need to order a different size and have to save up the $100.
>
> Claudia Fabia Calpurnia
>
> Those who wish to appear wise among
> fools, among the wise seem foolish.
> - Marcus Fabius Quintilianus
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:44 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] SPQR Ring
>
>
> > Salve
> >
> > I am keep a list for the SPQR ring that I post to the web site. $85.00 for size 11 sterling silver or $100.00 for other sizes.
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Quintus Bianchius Rufinus
> > To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 9:55 PM
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] SPQR Ring
> >
> >
> > Salvete:
> >
> > I haven't noticed any posts about the proposed SPQR ring for citizens of
> > Nova Roma recently. Will there be a ring commissioned, and is there one
> > available now? Any info on this topic is greatly appreciated. Thanks.
> >
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21667 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: Use of names
Avete;
may I add my two denarii; can we try to use a form that includes the
Gens, otherwise I and perhaps others would find it impossible to look
up cives in the Album Civium or Gens page.
valete,
Sep. Fabia Vera Fausta




In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"
<a_apollonius_cordus@y...> wrote:
> A. Apollonius Cordus to Antonius Aelius Baeticus
> Nebrissensis, and to all his fellow-citizens and
> peregrines, greetings.
>
> > About this question, I've found it:
> > http://www.forumromanum.org/life/johnston_2.html
> > Perhaps it solves some reasonable doubts
>
> Thanks for finding this. Sadly it doesn't make very
> clear what changes occurred to the use of names in
> different periods, but it seems by and large to
> confirm Dickey's findings, which increases my faith in both.
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21668 From: asseri@aol.com Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: drama for the future . Re: [Nova-Roma] Resignation
Salvete ,
I have been in Nova Roma for a long time. I have seen many things both
the pleasant and unpleasant. Yet to this day I cannot fathom the need for the
obvious dramatics of Resignation.

It hurts only the people who have come to be friends and family. It
looks well juvenile. Like your taking your toys and going home to play by your
self. Sure we all get overwhelmed so be mature enough to say , " This is not
working right now. I need someone to take over." There is always someone to
help with what is ever going on.


But to completely resign is unneeded and not the best way to handle
any issue. If you leave nothing can be changed and it never will. Change happens
from with in by action and involvement. I am not saying its quick or easy but
it happens.

It is always a shame to lose someone who has an a real heartfelt
passion for NR. All I am ask is this. If in the future you get shook enough to have
to make a public production of leaving. Wait two weeks and look well at what
happens to the things you love by leaving. Sometimes that "hole " is lot
bigger then you think.

set by my hand and heart

Prima Fabia Drusila
Provincia Lacus Magni
Legatus Regionis Occidentalis
(Indiana, Illinois)
asseri@...


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21669 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: Resignation
A. Apollonius Cordus to his friend the Consul Cn.
Equitius Marinus and to all his fellow-citizens and
peregrines, greetings.

Thanks for your replies.

In a sense it seems pointless to complain about such
irresponsible behaviour when the culprit has gone and
there's nothing to be done about it; but on the other
hand, saying nothing (or, worse, voicing nothing but
sympathy) can surely only give other citizens the
impression that this is perfectly acceptable.

Needless to say, it is not acceptable but rather
grossly irresponsible to resign from public office
without giving plenty of notice to those who need it,
without continuing with the job until a replacement is
ready to step in, without handing over the job to that
replacement with as much help as possible. Public
office is an honour and a responsibility and is not to
be discarded lightly. One does not offer to carry
one's father across a river and then drop him in mid-stream.





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21670 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: Resignation
Salvete Quirites, et salve Corde,

A. Apollonius Cordus wrote:

> A. Apollonius Cordus to his friend the Consul Cn.
> Equitius Marinus and to all his fellow-citizens and
> peregrines, greetings.
>
> Thanks for your replies.

You're welcome. I wish I knew more about what provoked the situation.
But I don't. All I can guess is that it was cumulative burnout, and
probably driven by some situation outside of NR.

> ... it is not acceptable but rather
> grossly irresponsible to resign from public office
> without giving plenty of notice to those who need it,
> without continuing with the job until a replacement is
> ready to step in, without handing over the job to that
> replacement with as much help as possible.

You're entirely correct. Election to office places one in a public trust.

Vale,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21671 From: Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: Resignation
>In a sense it seems pointless to complain about such
>irresponsible behaviour when the culprit has gone and
>there's nothing to be done about it; but on the other
>hand, saying nothing (or, worse, voicing nothing but
>sympathy) can surely only give other citizens the
>impression that this is perfectly acceptable.

I can't see how expressing sympathy is worse that saying nothing if the
sympathy is heartfelt.

However, anyone with a sense of responsibility knows that it is unacceptable
to go off in a huff and resign. It is also a slap in the face of those who
voted for the magistrate in the first place. I believe there is a law in
place that shows this action to be unacceptable. We've been through this
before.


>From: "A. Apollonius Cordus" <a_apollonius_cordus@...>
>Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Resignation
>Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 18:53:00 +0000 (GMT)
>
>A. Apollonius Cordus to his friend the Consul Cn.
>Equitius Marinus and to all his fellow-citizens and
>peregrines, greetings.
>
>Thanks for your replies.
>
>In a sense it seems pointless to complain about such
>irresponsible behaviour when the culprit has gone and
>there's nothing to be done about it; but on the other
>hand, saying nothing (or, worse, voicing nothing but
>sympathy) can surely only give other citizens the
>impression that this is perfectly acceptable.
>
>Needless to say, it is not acceptable but rather
>grossly irresponsible to resign from public office
>without giving plenty of notice to those who need it,
>without continuing with the job until a replacement is
>ready to step in, without handing over the job to that
>replacement with as much help as possible. Public
>office is an honour and a responsibility and is not to
>be discarded lightly. One does not offer to carry
>one's father across a river and then drop him in mid-stream.
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21672 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Ludi Megalesia - Call for Munera Gladiatoria and Venationes
M IVL PERVSIANVS QVIRITIBVS SPD

avete omnes,

writings appear on the walls of Nova Roma: "MAGNA PVGNA INTER
GLADIATORES" and "VENATIONES"!!!

For the Ludi Megalesia we are going to offer Munera and Venations
according to the following regulations:
(see PS or at:
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/m_ven_rules.html )

The player will have to mail Caius Curius Saturninus a message to
c.curius@... with the following information: Name of the gladiator
or animal, type of gladiator or animal and finally the tactics, that he
will choose among these three:

1) "Defensive" tactics. It adds one point, but the gladiator or animal
has 40 % of probabilities of surviving in case of defeat, because the
public does not like these tactics.
2) "Yourself" tactics. It neither adds nor take points. 50 % of
probabilities of which the public asks for the death in case of defeat.
3) "Total attack" tactics. It reduced one point, but the gladiator or
animal has 65 % of probabilities of surviving in case of defeat, because
the public likes these tactics.

Subscriptions for both the games are admitted until April 4th.

Results of the games will be updated at
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/m_gla_results.html (munera)
and
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/m_ven_results.html
(venationes)

This is the program of the fights::

I.Monday 5th April ::
1.Venationes
2.Munera Gladiatoria, Quarter matches

II.Tuesday 6th April ::
1. Munera Gladiatoria, Semifinal matches

III. Thursday 8th April ::
1. MUNERA GLADIATORIA, Final match


Marcus Iulius Perusianus, Aedilis Curulis
----------------------------------------------------------
ENJOY THE LUDI MEGALESIA 2004 @
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Post Scriptum: Ludi Megalesia Venationes Rules

The rules for Gladiatorial Combats and Venationes

There will be two classes of combats: Gladiatorial Combats and
Venationes. The gladiatorial combats are between gladiators and the
venationes is between gladiators and animals or animal vs animal. The
players can choose two gladiators, animals or both.


1. Gladiators' types

There are six types of gladiators, inspired by the gladiators of the
imperial epoch. I say inspired because nowadays we don´t know all the
types of gladiators who existed due to the lack of information and the
confusion about the armament and protections.

RETIARIUS: His weapon is the net, the trident and a dagger. His defenses
are a protection of arm (manica), that includes the shoulder.
HOMOPLACHUS: His weapons are a lance and a dagger. His defenses are a
closed crest hull, circular small shield and metallic shin pads. His
defenses are protection of right arm and he can take a pectoral plate.
MURMILLO: His weapon is a short sword (gladius). His defenses are a
closed great crest hull, rectangular big shield (scutum), protection in
right arm and shin pad in left leg.
THRAEX: His weapon is a curved sword (sicca). His defenses are a closed
hull, the crest of the hull has the shape of faucet, a quadrangular
small shield (parmula), long metallic shin pads up to the thigh and
protection in right arm.
SECUTOR: His weapon is a short sword (gladius). His defenses are closed
smooth hull, rectangular big shield (scutum), protection in right arm
and legs. Normally fight only against retiarii.
DIMACHAERUS: His weapons are two curved swords (siccae). His defenses
are protections in arms and legs.


2. Animals´ Types

They are six, as the gladiators.

LION: An african beast of very bad character. Always hungry. Its bite is
mortal and its claws are a very sharp threat.
LEOPARD: More skilful and beautiful than the lion. Nevertheless it has
the same character and is very agile.
WILD BOAR: Pure force of the forest. If it gets angry, nobody is saved.
It uses its fangs with lethal trickery.
BEAR: The bear fasts for months while they are hibernating. Then its
hunger is enormous and it is very likely that they like the sweaty meat
of the gladiators.
TIGER: It only thinks of eating people. It is stronger and hungrier than
the lion, but it is afraid to the wild boar.
RHINOCEROS: It is unforseeable, but it´s always angered.


3. Rules of the Gladiatorial Combats and Venationes.

3.1. The players can choose TWO gladiators, animals or both for taking
part in the Ludi.
3.2. The player will have to order the aedilis a message with the
following information: Name of the gladiator or animal, type of
gladiator or animal and finally the tactics, that he will choose among
these three:
1) "Defensive" tactics. It adds one point, but the gladiator or animal
has 40 % of probabilities of surviving in case of defeat, because the
public does not like these tactics.
2) "Yourself" tactics. It neither adds nor take points. 50 % of
probabilities of which the public asks for the death in case of defeat.
3) "Total attack" tactics. It reduced one point, but the gladiator or
animal has 65 % of probabilities of surviving in case of defeat, because
the public likes these tactics.
The tactics 1 is troublesome for the public, the 2 is normal and the 3
is flattering for the public. The tactics of every player are secret and
only the aedilis and the player must know it. The aedilis and the player
will not publicize it before or after the combats.
3.3. The fitting will be always according to the order of arrival of the
messages to the aedilis (first vs second, etc ..). Though two players
can ask the aedilis for a combat between their gladiators if they are in
agreement.



4. Classifications

The maximum accepted of gladiators and animals are 32. The Gladiatorial
Combats and Venationes are separated. In the morning the venationes and
the combats in the evening. But their rules and calculations are the
same. The fights will be pairs and the eliminating will be constant up
to the great final in each section, Venationes and Gladiatorial combats.




5. Calculations of the Gladiatorial Combats and Venationes.

5.1. A 1-10 dice is roll for every gladiator or animal. The result is
the number of combat (CN). Then points are added or reduced on the CN
according to the chosen tactics.

5.2. The CN is modified according to the type of opponent gladiator or
animal:

Retiarius versus: Retiarius (0); Thraex (-2); Murmillo (-1); Dimachaerus
(+2); Homoplachus (+1); Secutor (0); leopard (+1); lion (+1); tiger
(-1); bear (-2); wild boar (-1)

Thraex versus: Retiarius (+2); Thraex (0); Murmillo (0); Dimachaerus
(+1); Homoplachus (-1); Secutor (-2); leopard (+1); lion (+1); tiger
(-2); bear (-1); wild boar (-1)

Murmillo versus: Retiarius (+1); Thraex (0); Murmillo (0); Dimachaerus
(-2); Homoplacus (+2); Secutor (-1); leopard (+1); lion (0); tiger (0);
bear (-1); wild boar (+1)

Dimachaerus versus: Retiarius (-2); Thraex (-1); Murmillo (+2);
Dimachaerus (0); Homoplacus (0); Secutor (+1); leopard (-1); lion (-2);
tiger (0); bear (0); wild boar (+1)

Homoplachus versus: Retiarius (-1); Thraex (+1); Murmillo (-2);
Dimachaerus (0); Homoplachus (0); Secutor (+2); leopard (-1); lion (+1);
tiger (-1); bear (+1); wild boar (0)

Secutor versus: Retiarius (0); Thraex (+2); Murmillo (+1); Dimachaerus
(-1); Homoplachus (-2); Secutor (0); leopard (-2); lion (-1); tiger
(+1); bear (+2); wild boar (-1)

Lion vs: Retiarius (-1); Thraex (-1); Murmillo (0); Dimachaerus (+2);
Homoplachus (-1); Secutor (+1); leopard (+1); lion (0); tiger (-2); bear
(-1); wild boar (+2)

Leopard vs: Retiarius (-1); Thraex (-1); Murmillo (-1); Dimachaerus
(+1); Homoplachus (+1); Secutor (+2); leopard (0); lion (-1); tiger
(-2); bear (+1); wild boar (+2)

Wild Boar: Retiarius (+1); Thraex (+1); Murmillo (-1); Dimachaerus (-1);
Homoplachus (0); Secutor (+1); leopard (-2); lion (-2); tiger (+2); bear
(-2); wild boar (0)

Bear: Retiarius (+2); Thraex (+1); Murmillo (+1); Dimachaerus (0);
Homoplachus (-1); Secutor (-2); leopard (-1); lion (-2); tiger (+1);
bear (0); wild boar (+2)

Tiger: Retiarius (+1); Thraex (+2); Murmillo (0); Dimachaerus (0);
Homoplachus (+1); Secutor (-1); leopard (+2); lion (+2); tiger (0); bear
(-1); wild boar (-2)

Rhinoceros: The nice rhinoceros does not imply calculations. It does a
roll 1-100. If it is 1-40 the rival escapes hardly to its onslaught,
therefore the rival doesn´t die. If it is 41 to 60 its rival wins
incredibly and the gladiator receives the victory. If it is 61 to 100
its rival dies gored and squashed.


5.3. The gladiator or animal whose CN modified by the type of his
opponent is the highest is the winner of the combat. If there is a tie
then nobody wins the combat.

5.4. The spectators of the amphitheatre choose the destiny of the loser:
A 1-100 dice is rolled. If the defeated one has chosen tactics 1, he has
40 % of probabilities of surviving (1-40). If his tactics was the 2, he
has 50 % (1-50). If his tactics was the 3 he has 65 % (1-65)


6. Winners

The animal and gladiator winners will receive the plaudit of all Nova
Roma. Their names and that of his/her owner will remain recorded in the
collective memory of our city and in the web page of the Ludi.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21673 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: Resignation
Salvete omnes,

Like I said before life will go on and others will spring up sooner
or later. I seen people in NR try to coax people back who were
quiting, figuratively kiss their feet etc; even I tried on a few
occasions but more often than not it dosen't work.

Sometimes in all clubs or societies to which I belonged, people find
that by taking titles and higher positions they have bitten off more
than they can chew with regards to work loads and responsibilities.
They seem to wait for the smallest opportunity or excuse to get out
of the situation by quitting. Nothing you can do with those people
and blaming ourselves or something that was said is just barking up
a dead dog's rear end in my opinion. What is inevitable is
inevitable and there are mumerous other reasons one would have found
to quit anyway.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21674 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Check Posts
Salvete omnes,

If you get two similar postings from me, my apologies. The first one
did not go through so I thought I clicked the wrong icon. They may
both shoe up together in the next hour or two. They are about the
resignation.

Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21675 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: Resignation
F. Galerius Aurelianus S.P.D.

Quirites, it is a sad event when a good citizen chooses to resign not only
their magistracy but also their citizenship. However, these things happen in
our macronational lives all the time and it can foster a number of emotional
responses. We should give the domina our good wishes and hopes that she will
once again find the balance between Pax and Concordia in her life. It is not
right to publicly chastise her choice but it is important to remember that a
number of our citizens and magistrates have left the Republic to return later when
they are rested and renewed. Our laws allow this and we should not seek to
restrict her return if she chooses to do so later. It is easy to understand
that the cycles of discussion that repeat themselves on our ML can lead to some
frustration that things never change--religious debates, character
assassination, poor humor, petty insults, imagined slights--can quickly outweigh the good
topics and subjects. Those who still have contact with this domina may let
her know what is being said on the ML about her and this could make her feel
worse than she already may feel. Remember, most Nova Romans have very little
knowledge of everything that goes on in a person's macronational lives. Let us
welcome our new citizens and keep them full of the promise of growth and
progress in our Republic. Valete.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21676 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: Resignation
Salvete omnes,

Like I said before life will go on, new souls will fill the voids.
At this point, I personally think it is a wasted effort to try and
coax people back or kiss their feet into staying which I have also
tried since more often than not doesn't work since their minds were
made already.

I have been in several clubs and societies. When some people
volunteer for the bigger titles they sometimes bite off more than
they can chew and start looking for any excuse to drop out. It is
very difficult to reason with or change a person in that frame of
mind. Also we tend to be barking up a dead dog'a rear end when we
try to blame the system each other or ourselves because of something
someone or one of us said to annoy the person; yes, too bad but I'm
certain some other excuse would have been found to quit anyway.


Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus








--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus"
<sardonicus_@h...> wrote:
> >In a sense it seems pointless to complain about such
> >irresponsible behaviour when the culprit has gone and
> >there's nothing to be done about it; but on the other
> >hand, saying nothing (or, worse, voicing nothing but
> >sympathy) can surely only give other citizens the
> >impression that this is perfectly acceptable.
>
> I can't see how expressing sympathy is worse that saying nothing
if the
> sympathy is heartfelt.
>
> However, anyone with a sense of responsibility knows that it is
unacceptable
> to go off in a huff and resign. It is also a slap in the face of
those who
> voted for the magistrate in the first place. I believe there is a
law in
> place that shows this action to be unacceptable. We've been
through this
> before.
>
>
> >From: "A. Apollonius Cordus" <a_apollonius_cordus@y...>
> >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> >To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Resignation
> >Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 18:53:00 +0000 (GMT)
> >
> >A. Apollonius Cordus to his friend the Consul Cn.
> >Equitius Marinus and to all his fellow-citizens and
> >peregrines, greetings.
> >
> >Thanks for your replies.
> >
> >In a sense it seems pointless to complain about such
> >irresponsible behaviour when the culprit has gone and
> >there's nothing to be done about it; but on the other
> >hand, saying nothing (or, worse, voicing nothing but
> >sympathy) can surely only give other citizens the
> >impression that this is perfectly acceptable.
> >
> >Needless to say, it is not acceptable but rather
> >grossly irresponsible to resign from public office
> >without giving plenty of notice to those who need it,
> >without continuing with the job until a replacement is
> >ready to step in, without handing over the job to that
> >replacement with as much help as possible. Public
> >office is an honour and a responsibility and is not to
> >be discarded lightly. One does not offer to carry
> >one's father across a river and then drop him in mid-stream.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21677 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Nova Britannia Edictum
Nova Britannia Edictum Propraetoricium VIII -- XXVI Martii MMDCCLVII A.U.C.

Nova Britannia Edictum Propraetoricium VIII: Appointment of Provincial
Magistrates.

I. The following citizens are prorogued to their respective offices of
Legatus Regionis:

Senator Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens: Legatus Regionis Connecticut.

Senator Marcus Cassius Julianus: Legatus Regionis Maine.

Senator Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus: Legatus Regionis Vermont.

Senator Gaius Marius Merullus: Legatus Regionis New Hampshire.

II. The following citizen is prorogued to the offices of Scriba Propraetoris
and Provincial Interpreter:

Horatia Minucia-Tiberia Caesar.

III. Pontifex Gaius Minucius-Hadrianus Felix is hereby appointed as Legatus
Regionis Massachusetts and Provincial Curator Araneum. He is asked to within
one week, swear the public oath, using both his Nova Roman and macro-national
name, as found at http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/1999-10-19-ii.html on
both the main and Nova Britannia lists.

IV. This edictum is effective immediately. Given XXVI Martii, in the year of
the Consulship of Gnaeus Salix Astur and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, MMDCCLVII
A.U.C.

Gaius Lanius Falco
Propraetor Nova Britannia
Praefectus Sodalitas Egressus
Scriba Curatoris Differum
Paterfamilias Gens Lania

*********************************************************

Edictum VIII Propraetoris Novae Britanniae XXVI Martii MMDCCLVII A.U.C.
datum.

De Creatione Magistratorum Provincialium.

I. Civites sequentes prorogati sunt, singuli sui officii Legati Regionis:

Senator Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens: Legatus Regionis Connecticuti.
Senator Marcus Cassius Julianus: Legatus Regionis Maineae.

Senator Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus: Legatus Regionis Montis Viridis..

Senator Gaius Marius Merullus: Legatus Regionis Novi Vici.

II. Cives sequentis prorogata est, sui officii Scribae Propraetoris et
Interpretis Provincialis:

Horatia Minucia-Tiberia Caesar.

III. Pontifex Gaius Minucius-Tiberius Hadrianus Felix creatus est hinc
Legatus Regionis Massachusettsensis et Curator Araneum Provincialis. Poscitur ab
eum, intra hebdomdem, iurare jurem iurandum publicum, et nomine Novae Romanae et
nomine e genere ortum, apud
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/1999-10-19-ii.html, apud forum aranei Novae Romae et apud forum aranei Novae
Britanniae.

IV. Edictum hoc statim proficiens est, ad diem XXVI Martii MMDCCLVII A.U.C.
datum, Gnaeo Salicio Asturo et Gnaeo Equitio Marino consulibus.

Gaius Lanius Falco
Propraetor Novae Britanniae
Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi
Scriba Curatoris Differi
Paterfamilias Gentis Laniae
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Horatia Minucia-Tiberia Caesar me fecit.





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21678 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: New Movie By Mel Gibson
Salvete omnes,

I just brought this discussion over from another list but it looks
like Mel Gibson will be making a movie about the Revolt Of The
Macabees. This should be an interesting topic because it was during
this time of the Jewish revolt against the Hellenization of the
Selucid (Greek) overloards that Rome started getting interested in
the area and I if I vaguely remember correctly, they began sending
technical advisors and moral support to the Jews. Apparently one
reason for the King Antiochus Epiphanes wanted the Hellenization of
all cultures of his area in order to stergthen his Kingdom against
the precieved threat of Rome. Anyway he was as mean as cat manure
according to the book and he even had some of the Jewish people
roasted alive in large fry pans for refusing to eat pork. I'm sure
Mr. Gibson will cover these parts in graphic detail but I also hope
he keeps the movie more accurate than "Braveheart".

For those of you who are interested the book of the Macabees is
found in any of the RC bibles and is quite entertaining reading in
my opinion. I think the other Christian bibles do not include this
narrative of the revolt and cleansing of the temple.

I certainly hope to hear Q. Fabi Maximi opinion on this possible
film!


Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21679 From: L. Cornelius Sulla Date: 2004-03-26
Subject: Re: Resignation
Ave,

You could take some initiate and check the Tabularium. That is where our laws are held.

But sufficiet to say, she is not going to be returning.

Vale,

Sulla
----- Original Message -----
From: Sep. Fabia Vera
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 10:51 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation


Avete omnes;
that is extremely poor form from a magistrate, do we have any laws,
for the exigency,say if this person wants to return to NR, barring
them from office for a discrete period of time?
bene valete
SEP. FABIA VERA FAVSTA
PROPRAETRIX HIBERNIAE
SCRIBA CENSORIS CFQ





In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "alexious@e..." <alexious@e...> wrote:
> Ave Consul,
>
> Yes that is correct. She resigned everything.
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21680 From: Equestria Iunia Laeca Date: 2004-03-27
Subject: Re: Resignation
Salvete Quirites,
With the grace of the gods, Nova Roma will be around much longer than any of
us. The maturity of our republic is determined by the way we respond to the
strengths and weaknesses that prevail today. To create laws, punishments,
future barring, or blame burdens the growth and binds a society that is
founded and perpetuated by impassioned citizens.

The unexpected rapid departure of this active person should be looked at.
Did she fail Nova Roma or did Nova Roma fail her. The balance of those
compelled to opine on this has leaned heavily to those that criticize, feel
anger, disappointment or indifference toward her. To suggest that any
citizen is replaceable is to lose sight of our mission. Nova Roma is not a
job with interchangeable parts. Citizens do not retire at some predetermined
age or move on to something better.

Instead of debating her actions, we should look at our own. What happened
and could we prevent losing good citizens in the future. How this situation
is contemplated could be used to cultivate understanding, respect, kindness,
patience and openness. So that current and future Nova Romans will not leave
under such dramatic circumstances. It can only improve the quality of our
nation.


Valete,

Equestria Iunia Laeca






----- Original Message -----
From: "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:17 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation


Salvete omnes,

Like I said before life will go on, new souls will fill the voids.
At this point, I personally think it is a wasted effort to try and
coax people back or kiss their feet into staying which I have also
tried since more often than not doesn't work since their minds were
made already.

I have been in several clubs and societies. When some people
volunteer for the bigger titles they sometimes bite off more than
they can chew and start looking for any excuse to drop out. It is
very difficult to reason with or change a person in that frame of
mind. Also we tend to be barking up a dead dog'a rear end when we
try to blame the system each other or ourselves because of something
someone or one of us said to annoy the person; yes, too bad but I'm
certain some other excuse would have been found to quit anyway.


Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus








--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus"
<sardonicus_@h...> wrote:
> >In a sense it seems pointless to complain about such
> >irresponsible behaviour when the culprit has gone and
> >there's nothing to be done about it; but on the other
> >hand, saying nothing (or, worse, voicing nothing but
> >sympathy) can surely only give other citizens the
> >impression that this is perfectly acceptable.
>
> I can't see how expressing sympathy is worse that saying nothing
if the
> sympathy is heartfelt.
>
> However, anyone with a sense of responsibility knows that it is
unacceptable
> to go off in a huff and resign. It is also a slap in the face of
those who
> voted for the magistrate in the first place. I believe there is a
law in
> place that shows this action to be unacceptable. We've been
through this
> before.
>
>
> >From: "A. Apollonius Cordus" <a_apollonius_cordus@y...>
> >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> >To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Resignation
> >Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 18:53:00 +0000 (GMT)
> >
> >A. Apollonius Cordus to his friend the Consul Cn.
> >Equitius Marinus and to all his fellow-citizens and
> >peregrines, greetings.
> >
> >Thanks for your replies.
> >
> >In a sense it seems pointless to complain about such
> >irresponsible behaviour when the culprit has gone and
> >there's nothing to be done about it; but on the other
> >hand, saying nothing (or, worse, voicing nothing but
> >sympathy) can surely only give other citizens the
> >impression that this is perfectly acceptable.
> >
> >Needless to say, it is not acceptable but rather
> >grossly irresponsible to resign from public office
> >without giving plenty of notice to those who need it,
> >without continuing with the job until a replacement is
> >ready to step in, without handing over the job to that
> >replacement with as much help as possible. Public
> >office is an honour and a responsibility and is not to
> >be discarded lightly. One does not offer to carry
> >one's father across a river and then drop him in mid-stream.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >___________________________________________________________
> >WIN FREE WORLDWIDE FLIGHTS - nominate a cafe in the Yahoo! Mail
Internet
> >Cafe Awards www.yahoo.co.uk/internetcafes
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21681 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-27
Subject: ante diem VI Kalendae Aprilis -- Feriae Latinae
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem VI Kalendae Aprilis and the Feriae Latinae; the day
is comitialis. On the second day of the feria a race of quadriga
around the Temple of Iuppiter Optimus Maximus on the Capitoline was held.

Tomorrow is ante diem V Kalendae Aprilis; the day is comitialis.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21682 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-03-27
Subject: Re: Resignation
Salve Equestria,


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Equestria Iunia Laeca"
<equestria@o...> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites,
> With the grace of the gods, Nova Roma will be around much longer
than any of
> us. The maturity of our republic is determined by the way we
respond to the
> strengths and weaknesses that prevail today. To create laws,
punishments,
> future barring, or blame burdens the growth and binds a society
that is
> founded and perpetuated by impassioned citizens.
>


QLP - This is correct. The only thing to remember though is that
there will always be some people that are not content and fall out
of the system. While this is no trivial matter it is still
inevitable wherever one goes. Laws to punish aren't necessary. More
than likely people will just not vote for them is they return and
run for office again. Also I feel we have to practice the old
Stoicism and let the citizens of NR pick up and carry on after such
departures of her people.


> The unexpected rapid departure of this active person should be
looked at.
> Did she fail Nova Roma or did Nova Roma fail her. The balance of
those
> compelled to opine on this has leaned heavily to those that
criticize, feel
> anger, disappointment or indifference toward her. To suggest that
any
> citizen is replaceable is to lose sight of our mission. Nova Roma
is not a
> job with interchangeable parts. Citizens do not retire at some
predetermined
> age or move on to something better.
>

QLP - Persnally, I don't think it is anger or disappointment. It is
more like facing the inevitable that people will leave for one
reason or another. The sad part is that if many of us have a gripe
or complaint about our Res Republica and the system, why not as
individuals, especially those elected or appointed as magistrates,
fight and use our influence to correct the situation. For example
some of us were frustrated and thwarted with the inactive gens
system after arriving in NR. We whined, complained on the list,
wrote to the senators and consuls off and on. Within a year the
census was enacted and they sure cleaned up house on that matter.
Again, systems here or even in the macroworld start getting into
trouble when people themselves or their enmployees get the attitude
that someone is irreplaceable in in despensible. Much as many of us
hate to admit, we can all be replaced and our world still moves on
with or without us.


> Instead of debating her actions, we should look at our own. What
happened
> and could we prevent losing good citizens in the future. How this
situation
> is contemplated could be used to cultivate understanding, respect,
kindness,
> patience and openness. So that current and future Nova Romans will
not leave
> under such dramatic circumstances. It can only improve the quality
of our
> nation.
>
>
QLP - We could, as each individual citizen all work hard to practice
a little of the virtues of Stoicicsm by being a little thicker
skinned about criticism, personality conflicts, things that did or
did not go our way, be prolific in what we do, certainly do our best
to work and guide our fellow citizens as well as newbies. There are
times I'm sure when we all get frustrated or angry for some reason
but under those circumstances, why not take a sabatical or break for
a while like Diana Octavia has often suggested? As said for many
years, when the going gets tough, the tough get going. By the way,
part of Rome's greatness was just that. When things went bad in her
Republican days her people swallowed the tough medicine meted out by
natural and military disasters. When citizens died, failed or quit
under such dramatic circumstances other brave souls picked up the
Eagle Standards so to say and carried on with renewed vigour to
solve the problems rather than go into depression about it. That is
more or less my drift which we should all consider before
dramatically packing it in.

Valete bene,

See you all in several days; I'd better grab this out of town work
for things are slowing down and there are 10 or more coyotes smacking
their lips able and waiting to replace me!

Quintus Lanius Paulinus



















> Valete,
>
> Equestria Iunia Laeca
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@d...>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:17 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Resignation
>
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Like I said before life will go on, new souls will fill the voids.
> At this point, I personally think it is a wasted effort to try and
> coax people back or kiss their feet into staying which I have also
> tried since more often than not doesn't work since their minds were
> made already.
>
> I have been in several clubs and societies. When some people
> volunteer for the bigger titles they sometimes bite off more than
> they can chew and start looking for any excuse to drop out. It is
> very difficult to reason with or change a person in that frame of
> mind. Also we tend to be barking up a dead dog'a rear end when we
> try to blame the system each other or ourselves because of
something
> someone or one of us said to annoy the person; yes, too bad but I'm
> certain some other excuse would have been found to quit anyway.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Cornelius Sardonicus"
> <sardonicus_@h...> wrote:
> > >In a sense it seems pointless to complain about such
> > >irresponsible behaviour when the culprit has gone and
> > >there's nothing to be done about it; but on the other
> > >hand, saying nothing (or, worse, voicing nothing but
> > >sympathy) can surely only give other citizens the
> > >impression that this is perfectly acceptable.
> >
> > I can't see how expressing sympathy is worse that saying nothing
> if the
> > sympathy is heartfelt.
> >
> > However, anyone with a sense of responsibility knows that it is
> unacceptable
> > to go off in a huff and resign. It is also a slap in the face of
> those who
> > voted for the magistrate in the first place. I believe there is
a
> law in
> > place that shows this action to be unacceptable. We've been
> through this
> > before.
> >
> >
> > >From: "A. Apollonius Cordus" <a_apollonius_cordus@y...>
> > >Reply-To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > >To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > >Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Resignation
> > >Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 18:53:00 +0000 (GMT)
> > >
> > >A. Apollonius Cordus to his friend the Consul Cn.
> > >Equitius Marinus and to all his fellow-citizens and
> > >peregrines, greetings.
> > >
> > >Thanks for your replies.
> > >
> > >In a sense it seems pointless to complain about such
> > >irresponsible behaviour when the culprit has gone and
> > >there's nothing to be done about it; but on the other
> > >hand, saying nothing (or, worse, voicing nothing but
> > >sympathy) can surely only give other citizens the
> > >impression that this is perfectly acceptable.
> > >
> > >Needless to say, it is not acceptable but rather
> > >grossly irresponsible to resign from public office
> > >without giving plenty of notice to those who need it,
> > >without continuing with the job until a replacement is
> > >ready to step in, without handing over the job to that
> > >replacement with as much help as possible. Public
> > >office is an honour and a responsibility and is not to
> > >be discarded lightly. One does not offer to carry
> > >one's father across a river and then drop him in mid-stream.
> > >
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21683 From: Decimus Iunius Silanus Date: 2004-03-27
Subject: Re: Resignation
Salvete,

Extremely well said Flavius Galerius. Some people here
seem all quick to pounce and criticise the actions of
others. In truth however, the nature of our
organisation is that, in general, we have little
knowledge of our citizens macronational circumstances.


Equestria Iunia Laeca makes an excellent point
in that we should use such episodes to examine our own
individual dealings within Nova Roma. I'm pretty sure
that the incessant carping that sometimes happens on
this list has resulted in more than a few private, let
alone public, resignations. Citizens I think that we
can ill afford to lose.

Truth be told, I'm seriously considering my own
position here. More than once, I have found myself
arguing with individuals of whom I know very little,
people who, if I met in a social situation, I would in
all probability get on extremely well. And more than
once I have had to pinch myself for allowing myself to
get into such a situation. Level headed debate is one
thing, but all to often such debate goes off the
rails, tempers flare and harsh words written. And in
truth, for what, another lex in the tabularium that in
actuality changes very little in our lives.

I love Nova Roma, with a passion. Yet when I find
myself angry, aggrieved, perhaps even hurt on
occasions, and moreover when I find that I may have
caused others similar emotions, then I have to
question what I'm doing here. I joined Nova Roma to
educate myself and interact with like minded people. I
didn't join to argue with people that, in truth, I
know very little of.

As for Liva Cornelia Hibernia, I say good luck and be
well. May we learn from the experience of your
presence, and perhaps even your departure.

Valete

Decimus Iunius Silanus


---------------------------------
F. Galerius Aurelianus S.P.D.

Quirites, it is a sad event when a good citizen
chooses to resign not only
their magistracy but also their citizenship. However,
these things happen in
our macronational lives all the time and it can foster
a number of emotional
responses. We should give the domina our good wishes
and hopes that she will
once again find the balance between Pax and Concordia
in her life. It is not
right to publicly chastise her choice but it is
important to remember that a
number of our citizens and magistrates have left the
Republic to return later when
they are rested and renewed. Our laws allow this and
we should not seek to
restrict her return if she chooses to do so later. It
is easy to understand
that the cycles of discussion that repeat themselves
on our ML can lead to some
frustration that things never change--religious
debates, character
assassination, poor humor, petty insults, imagined
slights--can quickly outweigh the good
topics and subjects. Those who still have contact
with this domina may let
her know what is being said on the ML about her and
this could make her feel
worse than she already may feel. Remember, most Nova
Romans have very little
knowledge of everything that goes on in a person's
macronational lives. Let us
welcome our new citizens and keep them full of the
promise of growth and
progress in our Republic. Valete.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21684 From: L. Sicinius Drusus Date: 2004-03-27
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1187
Salvete Omnes,

Poor Form? Not as bad as many have shown. At least she made the effort
of letting us know she was leaving. We have had Senators, Magistrates,
Pro-Magistrates, Pontifs, and others who held offices simply vanish
without even bothering to draft a resignation.

Resignations, either overt like this one, or passive like the people who
just vanish are a long standing problem. Applying sanctions to people
who resign has been tried and it failed to solve the underlying problem.

People don't value Nova Roman citizenship like the people of Antiquita
valued Roman Citizenship. As long as that problem remains the
resignations will continue.

L. Sicinius Drusus


Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com wrote:

>
>
>Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 18:51:51 -0000
> From: "Sep. Fabia Vera" <rory12001@...>
>Subject: Re: Resignation
>
> Avete omnes;
> that is extremely poor form from a magistrate, do we have any laws,
>for the exigency,say if this person wants to return to NR, barring
>them from office for a discrete period of time?
> bene valete
> SEP. FABIA VERA FAVSTA
> PROPRAETRIX HIBERNIAE
> SCRIBA CENSORIS CFQ
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21685 From: Sep. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-03-27
Subject: Re: Resignation
Salve;
my initiative, is taking over the creation of a new provincia, when
I have had little experience in such matters, but fortunately there
are many kind experienced amici in Nova Roma who are giving me help,
encouragement and advice; since you are so senior perhaps you should
do the same.
I would suggest you also avail yourself of a dictionary...
vale Sep.Fabia Vera Fausta



In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@e...>
wrote:
> Ave,
>
> You could take some initiate and check the Tabularium. That is
where our laws are held.
>
> But sufficiet to say, she is not going to be returning.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21686 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Date: 2004-03-27
Subject: Oath of Office
C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix Quiritibus S.P.D.


I, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix (Adrian Gunn) do hereby solemnly swear
to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix (Adrian
Gunn) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix (Adrian Gunn) swear to uphold and
defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear
never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Gaius Minuciuss Hadrianus Felix (Adrian Gunn)swear to protect and
defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix (Adrian Gunn) further swear to fulfill
the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Legatus Regionis
Massachusetts and Provincial Curator Araneum of Nova Britannia to the
best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Legatus Regionis Massachusetts and Provincial
Curator Araneum of Nova Britannia and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21687 From: Susan Davis Date: 2004-03-27
Subject: Re: ante diem VI Kalendae Aprilis -- Feriae Latinae
> G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.
>
> Today is ante diem VI Kalendae Aprilis and the Feriae Latinae; the day
> is comitialis. On the second day of the feria a race of quadriga
> around the Temple of Iuppiter Optimus Maximus on the Capitoline was
> held.

It's also Dies Lavatio in the cult of Magna Mater and Attis; on this
day, the statues of the Great Mother and Her consort were carried down
to the Tiber and cleaned. This concluded the high holy season of the
Hilaria (a.d. XI-VI Kal. Apr). It wasn't celebrated as part of the
State religion until the Principate, however.

We have established a temple to Magna Mater in Mediatlantica province,
and celebrated the season last weekend (a.d. XIV-XII Kal. Apr) due to
the macronational calendar and the demands of everyone's work and
travel schedules. Despite not having access to our sacred grove until
the final day of the festival, we still were able to complete the
entire ritual cycle, including the procession of the pine tree, the
burial in the cave, the decoration and inhumation, et alia, and
initiated two new _galla_ priestesses and performed a wedding ceremony.

In addition to our ritual work, we held workshops on ancient drumming
rhythms and hymns to Magna Mater and on the history of the cult from
the Neolithic era to the present. A status report on the restoration
of the original temple in Rome was presented, and we began preliminary
plans for holding a Megalensia festival open to all of Nova Roma next
year. We had originally meant to do so _this_ year, but an assortment
of mundane considerations prevented us from completing our
preparations in time.

Vale,
Claudia Iulia

--
Claudia Iulia <futabachan@...>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21688 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-03-27
Subject: Re: Resignation
A. Apollonius Cordus to his colleague Flavius Galerius
Aurelianus, and to all his fellow-citizens and all
peregrines, greetings.

With great good will and respect, I must heartily
disagree with you when you say,

> It is not
> right to publicly chastise her choice but it is
> important to remember that a
> number of our citizens and magistrates have left the
> Republic to return later when
> they are rested and renewed. Our laws allow this
> and we should not seek to
> restrict her return if she chooses to do so later.

Now, I agree that there is no need to restrict the
ability to run for office of anyone who resigns a
magistracy. Voters will take a candidate's record of
reliability, together with any evidence that that
candidate has changed his or her ways, when they go to
the polls, and there's no need to pre-empt their
decision. And in any case, anyone who resigns in this
way may be prosecuted for maladministration without
any additional legislation.

I can only hope that your statement, 'it is not right
to publicly chastise her choice' contains the word
'not' only as the result of a typing error. The truth
is quite to the contrary - it would be wrong to
condone such action. Resignation of citizenship is the
business of the person concerned, but resignation of
public office is the concern of the public, and it is
unthinkable that the public should take it as anything
other than a slight. To be sure, there are
circumstances under which a citizen may feel compelled
to resign from office; but to do so without warning,
making no effort to hand over affairs to a successor
in an orderly manner, is inexcusable. That people have
done such things, and worse, before is neither here
nor there.

Now, some have rightly asked what we can do to stop
such a thing happening again. It seems to me that one
of the most obvious things we can do is to make it
crystal clear that such behaviour is not acceptable.
If we shuffle our feet and say merely, 'maybe she was
under a lot of stress', or, 'it's happened before,
we'll be okay', or, 'it's up to her what she does with
her life', we send a message to others that such
action isn't a problem. Certainly we should work to
make public office more rewarding and to give
magistrates greater support; criticism must be
balanced by praise, and should be delivered in private
at least at first and where possible while praise
should be publicly offered. But if criticism be
banished altogether for fear of hurting people's
feelings, how is anyone to know what is acceptable and
what isn't? Or shall we have a warm and welcoming
community in which the reckless abandonment of
responsibility and the breaking of oaths is greeting
with sympathy and understanding while criticism of
such actions is greeting with social condemnation?





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21689 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-28
Subject: Race of the Feriae Latinae
The second day of the Feriae Latinae was celebrated with a race of
quadrigae around the Temple of Iuppiter Optimus Maximus on the
Capitoline. This custom is today renewed with a race between the
champions of Albata and Praesina. The pontifices and flamines, as
well as the principal civil magistrates, gather at the bottom of the
Clivus Capitolinus with a crowd of those who had not tarried on the
Alban mount after the previous day's sacrifice and festivities there.
The race begins here, then proceeds around the base of the Capitoline
hill through narrow streets until the competitors reach again the foot
of the Clivus Capitolinus.

The race is religious in nature, a propitiation of Iuppiter Optimus
Maximus as well as the Iuppiter of the Latins to whom sacrifice was
made on the first day of the Feriae Latinae. After offerings to
Iuppiter Optimus Maximus by the Flamen Dialis, or in his absence the
Pontifex Maximus, the competitors pull up to the starting line before
the Temple of Saturn, side-by-side. Today Metullus Areanius, driving
Green Streak for M. Minucius Tiberius Audens of Praesina, faces
Vesanicus, driving Maledicti for Cn. Salix Galaicus of Albata. Four
prize horses are hitched to each chariot and assistants of the Aediles
Curules check the harnesses of each in the last few moments before the
race begins.

Aedilis Curulis G. Iulius Scaurus stands ready with the mappa to
signal the start of the race. The mappa falls.

Vesanicus in Maledicti takes the lead immediately, a length ahead of
Metellus Areanius in Green Streak as they reach the step turn into the
Vicus Iugarius. As they follow the Vicus Iugarius the road is too
narrow for Metellus Areanius to pass, but he presses onto Vesanicus'
heels. The two arches of the Porta Carmentalis approach rapidly with
Vesanicus slightly in the lead and availing himself of that advantage
to pass through the arch of good fortune, leaving Metellus Areanius
and Green Streak the Porta Scelerata, the arch through which the Fabii
marched against the Etruscans and to disaster, if they are to pull
abreast of Vesanicus and Maledicti. Metellus Areanius cracks the
whip, disdaining the potential of ill-omen, and takes the Porta
Scelerata, now neck-to-neck with Vesanicus.

Beside each other now they swing into the turn which takes them into
the Forum Holitorium. Rome's vegetable market has been cleared to
avoid any impediment to the race. Still neck-to-neck they pass the
Porticus Metelli and approach the Circus Flaminius. The roadway
narrows at the turn which will put them on the Via Latia. Vesanicus
urges his horses forward, risking disaster as he guides them toward
Green Streak's path. Metellus Areanius remains steadfast in his
course, but the horse nearest Vesanicus' team is not so keen to risk
collision and shies slightly left. This gives Vesanicus sufficient
advantage to pull ahead of Green Streak and he increases the lead as
Metellus Areanius pulls up slightly to avoid abandoning the road.

Vesanicus maintains his lead as they approach the Porta Fontinalis.
Again the road widens and Metellus Areanius tries desperately to urge
the speed from his horses to run abreast of Maledicti, but Vesanicus
retains the lead as they pass the Porta Fontinalis and enter the
Latumiae. Within moments they reach the Temple of Concordia and
Vesanicus in Maledicti crosses the starting line with Metellus
Areanius in Green Streak a few feet behind. Vesanicus is the winner.
Albata prevails!

Vesanicus drives Maledicti up the Clivus Capitolinus to the waiting
Aediles Curules before the Temple of Iuppiter Optimus Maximus where he
is rewarded with Pontic absinthe for his victory.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21690 From: Lucius Cassius Pontonius Date: 2004-03-28
Subject: Re: Oath of Office
Congratulations! As a fellow citizen of Massachusetts, it is good see you in the position. I do not know what assistance I could offer with the Magistracy, but if you need it, ask.

Lucius Cassius Pontonius (Michael Ponte)
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From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com ; Nova Britannia Mailing List
Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 4:39 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Oath of Office


C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix Quiritibus S.P.D.


I, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix (Adrian Gunn) do hereby solemnly swear
to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix (Adrian
Gunn) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix (Adrian Gunn) swear to uphold and
defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear
never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Gaius Minuciuss Hadrianus Felix (Adrian Gunn)swear to protect and
defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix (Adrian Gunn) further swear to fulfill
the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Legatus Regionis
Massachusetts and Provincial Curator Araneum of Nova Britannia to the
best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of Legatus Regionis Massachusetts and Provincial
Curator Araneum of Nova Britannia and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21691 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-03-28
Subject: ante diem V Kalendae Aprilis
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem V Kalendae Aprilis; the day is comitialis.

Tomorrow is ante diem IV Kalendae Aprilis; the day is comitialis.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21692 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-03-28
Subject: Re: L Cornelia'sResignation
Salve Decimus Iunius Silanus,

I've changed the subject because I didn't want anyone to think that I was resigning :-)

I agree with your email.

<Extremely well said Flavius Galerius. Some people here
<seem all quick to pounce and criticise the actions of
<others. In truth however, the nature of our
<organisation is that, in general, we have little
<knowledge of our citizens macronational circumstances.

That's true. We should never be quick to judge someone when they resign. It is entirely possible
that NR just was not what she was looking for-- as simple as that. Or it is possible that Livia
Cornelia has a lot of stress in her macro-world obligations and simply doesn't announce it to
everyone on this list, forever to be kept online in the public archives.

We need to wish her well and then replace her. There are 4 Quaestores who do not handle any money
at all. When I asked what the 4 Quaestores actually do in NR (since they don't handle any money)
only one Questor replied. We even have a Quaestor for a Plebian Aedile who has not been heard from
since the elections. His Quaestor certainly could not have had anything at all to do this year in
his position as Quaestor. So I think that Livia Cornelia can be easily replaced without high
drama. It is not as if a Consul resigned.

<Truth be told, I'm seriously considering my own
<position here. More than once, I have found myself
<arguing with individuals of whom I know very little,
<people who, if I met in a social situation, I would in
<all probability get on extremely well.

This is why we need more face-to-face meetings.

Vale,
Diana Octavia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21693 From: Equestria Iunia Laeca Date: 2004-03-28
Subject: Re: Resignation
Salvete,


>Decimus Iunius Silanus wrote:
> Extremely well said Flavius Galerius. Some people here
> seem all quick to pounce and criticise the actions of
> others.

This is an important point. To create an environment where all citizens
feel it is possible to comment on points discussed on the list, they must
have some comfort that comments will not be taken out of context or
misconstrued.

For example: A christian citizen mentioned a time ago that although they
only believed in one god, they respected the pagan gods of their fellow
citizens. This was meant to be a considerate comment showing they were
tolerant of other religions. However, another citizen perceived it as an
attack and therefore, attacked back. The original comment could have been
worded differently however, citizens speak from their hearts and often word
things that can be jumped on without realizing it. It should not be
necessary for a poster to walk on eggshells and worry if they have worded
their thoughts as politically correct for every possible situation to avoid
unknowingly offending someone. Perhaps the reader should ask for a
clarification without responding with hurtful words. No doubt, many
thoughts are suppressed for this reason.


>Decimus Iunius Silanus wrote:
>I'm pretty sure
> that the incessant carping that sometimes happens on
> this list has resulted in more than a few private, let
> alone public, resignations. Citizens I think that we
> can ill afford to lose.

A very significant observation. With a society as diverse as ours, it is
too easy to type something that could be the beginning of the end for a
citizen. However, the ones we lose in these situations are the citizens
that are active, participate, read posts, consider them and add their point
of view. Each and everyone of these is a tremendous loss to our society.
Even (and especially) if they have views counter to the mainstream. Nova
Roma's growth will be limited without as many sides as possible weighing in.

Cultivating an atmosphere where participation is easy, tolerant and
encouraged is crucial to the enjoyment, fulfillment and long-lasting
enthusiasm for this nation and its goals.





>Decimus Iunius Silanus wrote:

> Truth be told, I'm seriously considering my own
> position here. More than once, I have found myself
> arguing with individuals of whom I know very little,
> people who, if I met in a social situation, I would in
> all probability get on extremely well. And more than
> once I have had to pinch myself for allowing myself to
> get into such a situation. Level headed debate is one
> thing, but all to often such debate goes off the
> rails, tempers flare and harsh words written. And in
> truth, for what, another lex in the tabularium that in
> actuality changes very little in our lives.
>
> I love Nova Roma, with a passion. Yet when I find
> myself angry, aggrieved, perhaps even hurt on
> occasions, and moreover when I find that I may have
> caused others similar emotions, then I have to
> question what I'm doing here. I joined Nova Roma to
> educate myself and interact with like minded people. I
> didn't join to argue with people that, in truth, I
> know very little of.


On a personal note to Silanus; from the first time we had an in-depth
conversation I realized you were a remarkable person. But as time went on
that assessment only grew. The sense of humor, wit and perception you
provided on numerous posts always added tremendous value to the discussions.
And your intuition, kindness and encouragement has helped make my personal
experience here even more meaningful. I have always known your passion and
committment was extraordinary. The shared love for this nation is the heart
of Nova Roma and I couldn't imagine it without you.



As Silanus has so expressively illustrated from his personal experiences,
this type of situation is demoralizing at best. It affects not only the
principles directly involved and the readers of the main list but also the
underlying current of a nation still in its infantcy. In a free society
where everyone is valued it is not possible (or proper) to contain the
strong feelings of its citizens. However, certain steps can be implemented
at an individual level. For example, let go of harbored resentments,
forgive others, tolerate all sides of the debate, relish the opinions and
participation of others, request clarification if a comment invokes anger or
distress, put everything in perspective, gently and objectively nudge
conversations that have become a battle of wits back to spirited but
level-headed debates and occasionally question yourself if the ends justify
the means.

Nova Roma was founded to reconstruct the best parts of Rome. It should be
fulfilling, it should be fun, it should be engaging. There should be lively
debates. It should not be used as a forum to thwart ideas, disrespect,
condescend, or vie for power and influence.

We are all here because of what is in our hearts. We all have a common
dream.

Resignations should not be dismissed as trivial, the departed citizens
should not be condemned and current and future citizens do not need to be
taught a lesson on responsibility. The questioning of one's citizenship due
to loss of something that was once tremendously enjoyed and meaningful is a
symptom of an insidious problem.


Valete,

Equestria Iunia Laeca
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21694 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-03-28
Subject: Re: Resignation
A. Apollonius Cordus to Equestria Iunia Laeca, and to
all his fellow-citizens and all peregrines, greetings.

> Resignations should not be dismissed as trivial, the
> departed citizens
> should not be condemned and current and future
> citizens do not need to be
> taught a lesson on responsibility.

I hope the last of your three statements proves to be
correct: the test will be whether we ever again see a
magistrate resign his or her office without warning
and without making adequate preparations to hand over
their duties to his or her successor. If it never
happens again, I shall bow to your greater foresight.
But if a single magistrate does such a thing in the
future, that is a citizen who ought to have been
taught a lesson in responsibility.





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21695 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-03-28
Subject: Re: Race of the Feriae Latinae
Salvete Quirites,

g_iulius_scaurus wrote:

[a thrilling race]

> Albata prevails!
>
> Vesanicus drives Maledicti up the Clivus Capitolinus to the waiting
> Aediles Curules before the Temple of Iuppiter Optimus Maximus where he
> is rewarded with Pontic absinthe for his victory.

Congratulations to Vesanicus! A beautiful win for the Albata team.
Well raced!

-- Marinus
(Dominus Factionis, Albata)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21696 From: NipperF@aol.com Date: 2004-03-28
Subject: Re: SPQR Ring
Servius Fidelius Longinius Tiberio Galerio Paulino S.P.D.

I, too, would like to be added to the list. I really like the idea of an
established piece of jewelry that will express our common bond within Nova Roma.
Ever onward!

I manere in Viresium et Honorare
Tuus in Sodalicio Romanae Republica.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21697 From: Seia Silvania Atia Date: 2004-03-28
Subject: Prayers/Simple Rituals
Salvete,

I am going onto the hospital on May 7th for a cesearian section. I
would like to know of any gods the children can focus on or any
simple rituals that can be done by them for their mother and baby
sister. Please remember that my children are 5 and 7 (on Wednsday).

Any help or suggestions would be appreciated.

Pax,
Crys

Domus Ludus
Non scholae sed vitae discimus
Certified in Child Psychology and Human Development
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