Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Apl 1-8, 2004

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21752 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Kalendae Aprilis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21753 From: Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: ***AVE*VENETA***
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21754 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21756 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21757 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: "Eagle"
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21758 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Call for Candidates: Quaestor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21759 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21760 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21761 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21762 From: Diana Aventina Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: The Veneralia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21763 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21764 From: Sp. Fabia Vera Fausta Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21765 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: More New Citizens
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21766 From: Sp. Fabia Vera Fausta Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Provincia Hibernia; new Group
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21767 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Roman Numeral Pocket Calculator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21768 From: Sp. Fabia Vera Fausta Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: More New Citizens
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21769 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: Roman Numeral Pocket Calculator
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21770 From: Lucius Cassius Pontonius Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: ***AVE*VENETA***
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21771 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21772 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Newest citizen of Nova Britannia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21773 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: Newest citizen of Nova Britannia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21774 From: Decius Iunius Palladius Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: [NovaBritannia] Newest citizen of Nova Britannia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21775 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-04-02
Subject: ante diem IV Nonae Aprilis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21776 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-04-02
Subject: Re: More New Citizens
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21777 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2004-04-02
Subject: Ludi Megalesia: Cultural Contest
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21778 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-04-02
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21779 From: Sp. Fabia Vera Fausta Date: 2004-04-02
Subject: Re: Ludi Megalesia - Call for Naumachiae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21780 From: Manius Constantinus Serapio Date: 2004-04-02
Subject: Re: More New Citizens
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21781 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-04-03
Subject: Re: [NovaBritannia] Newest citizen of Nova Britannia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21782 From: Caius Curius Saturninus Date: 2004-04-03
Subject: how to take part into Ludi Circenses
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21783 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-04-03
Subject: ante diem III Nonae Aprilis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21784 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-04-03
Subject: Re: More New Citizens
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21785 From: lcpontonius Date: 2004-04-03
Subject: Candidacy for Quaestor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21786 From: Lucius Cassius Pontonius Date: 2004-04-03
Subject: Re: [NovaBritannia] Newest citizen of Nova Britannia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21787 From: Lucius Cornelius Cicero Date: 2004-04-03
Subject: Announcement of Candidacy
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21788 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-04-03
Subject: Work travel in NJ
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21789 From: FAC Date: 2004-04-03
Subject: Re: Candidacy for Quaestor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21790 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-04-03
Subject: Historical Contest of Magna Mater Ludi Megalesia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21791 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: pridie Nonae Aprilis -- Feria Megalesiae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21792 From: m_iulius@virgilio.it Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Ludi Megalensis, let's the festival begin!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21793 From: FAC Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Re: Ludi Megalensis, let's the festival begin!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21794 From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Apology for not being more active
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21795 From: Sp. Fabia Vera Fausta Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Caerimonia of the Magna Mater
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21796 From: Sp. Fabia Vera Fausta Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Caerimonia of the Magna Mater Part 2
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21797 From: Sp. Fabia Vera Fausta Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: fundraising for Magna Mater
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21798 From: Lucius Cassius Pontonius Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Re: Candidacy for Quaestor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21799 From: asseri@aol.com Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Good news & Indiana egyptian greek/roman exhibit
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21800 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Answers of Prof. Poliseno
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21801 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Oblio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21802 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Re: Apology for not being more active
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21803 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Nova Britannia Provincial Edictum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21804 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Re: Ludi Megalensis, let's the festival begin!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21805 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Magna Mater Historical Contest Quiz n°1
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21806 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Re: Apology for not being more active
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21807 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Ludi Scaenici
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21808 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Re: Apology for not being more active
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21809 From: Sp. Fabia Vera Fausta Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Re: Apology for not being more active
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21810 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Re: Apology for not being more active
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21811 From: Lucius Cassius Pontonius Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Oath of Office (Scriba Propraetoris of Nova Britannia)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21812 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Nonae Aprilis -- Feria Megalesiae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21813 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Re: Apology for not being more active
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21814 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Re: Apology for not being more active
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21815 From: Pompeia Cornelia Strabo Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: FW: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA QUARTER FINALS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21816 From: mm_quiz Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Magna Mater Historical Contest
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21817 From: romanusdiogenes Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21818 From: Stuart Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Cohors II starting in Arvada, CO
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21819 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21820 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Re: Resignation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21821 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21822 From: Pompeia Cornelia Strabo Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: LUDI MEGALESIA VENATIONES
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21823 From: romanusdiogenes Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21824 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Munera Gladiatoria
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21825 From: KECTAM@aol.com Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1196
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21826 From: Sp. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Re: Munera Gladiatoria
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21827 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21828 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALESIA VENATIONES
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21829 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Caerimoniae Feriae Fortunae Publicae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21830 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Re: Munera Gladiatoria
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21831 From: Sp. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Happy Passover !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21832 From: pompeia_cornelia Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Re: Happy Passover !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21833 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Re: Happy Passover !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21834 From: matt hicks Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21835 From: willpower2050 Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: SPQR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21836 From: mm_quiz Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: II Question Hist Cont Magnae Matris
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21837 From: mm_quiz Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: HISTORICAL CONTEST
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21838 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: ante diem VIII Idus Aprilis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21839 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: SPQR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21840 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: HISTORICAL CONTEST
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21841 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21842 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: (no subject)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21843 From: Dave Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: New member
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21844 From: Lucius Sulla Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Magna Mater Historical Contest Quiz n°2
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21845 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21846 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21847 From: L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: European Rally - Segovia 2757
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21848 From: Lucius Cassius Pontonius Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Roman Themed Television Programming April 6th to April 12th
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21849 From: Michael Cerrato Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: Happy Passover !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21850 From: Q. Salix Cantaber URANICUS Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Ludi Megalesia: rerults of the ludi equestris (quarters)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21851 From: Pompeia Cornelia Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Fwd: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA SEMIFINALS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21852 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: New Citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21853 From: Yvonne Rathbone Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21854 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21855 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21856 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21857 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21858 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21859 From: Pompeia Cornelia Strabo Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA SEMIFINALS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21860 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Historical Contest: Answers to quiz II and Questions III
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21861 From: Yvonne Rathbone Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21862 From: pompeia_cornelia Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: (no subject)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21863 From: jacobs_43@yahoo.com Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Artwork from the Aeneid
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21864 From: StarVVreck@aol.com Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: SPQR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21865 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA SEMIFINALS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21866 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21867 From: TiAnO Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: FW: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA QUARTER FINALS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21868 From: TiAnO Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALESIA VENATIONES
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21869 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA SEMIFINALS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21870 From: Pompeia Cornelia Strabo Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA SEMIFINALS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21871 From: pompeia_cornelia Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Apologies for Double Posts
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21872 From: FAC Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALESIA VENATIONES
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21873 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA SEMIFINALS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21874 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21875 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21876 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: FW: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA QUARTER FINALS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21877 From: Sp. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: Happy Passover !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21878 From: Sp. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21879 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Newest citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21880 From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21881 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21882 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: ante diem VII Idus Aprilis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21883 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21884 From: FAC Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Megalesia: rerults of the ludi equestris (quarters)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21885 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Megalesia: rerults of the ludi equestris (quarters)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21886 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21887 From: TiAnO Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA SEMIFINALS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21888 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Megalesia: results of the ludi equestris (quarters)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21889 From: Michael Cerrato Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21891 From: Michael Cerrato Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: New member
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21892 From: s_cassius Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21893 From: Michael Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21894 From: Lucia Ambrosia Apollinaris Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: New Citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21895 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21896 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21897 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21898 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21899 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: New Citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21900 From: s_cassius Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21901 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: (no subject)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21902 From: s_cassius Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: New Citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21903 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21904 From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21905 From: s_cassius Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21906 From: gaia_ulleria_diota Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: I am so excited!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21907 From: O. Flavius Pompeius Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Re: Newest citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21908 From: O. Flavius Pompeius Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Re: New Citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21909 From: O. Flavius Pompeius Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Re: New Citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21910 From: Michael Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21911 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: ante diem VI Idus Aprilis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21912 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21913 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: New Citizens
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21914 From: Pompeia Cornelia Strabo Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA FINALS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21915 From: pompeia_cornelia Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Re: I am so excited!!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21916 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21917 From: Agrippina Modia Aurelia Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Invitation to Celebrate the Birth of Nova Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21918 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: 20 Quaestors or so?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21919 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: No quaestors in the Censorial work!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21920 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21921 From: Agrippina Modia Aurelia Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Taxes & What Not - the Value of NR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21922 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: A question for New Citizens ?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21923 From: s_cassius Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21924 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Too Slow!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21925 From: Michael Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21926 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Names (WAS: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21927 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Re: A question for New Citizens ?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21928 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: How to pay taxes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21929 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: CANADA OCCIDENTALIS - EDICTUM NO. 19 - Appointment of Legates And



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21752 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Kalendae Aprilis
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is Kalendae Aprilis and the Feria Veneraliae; the day is fastus.
During the Feria Veneralia Venus Verticordia, Venus "the
changer-of-hearts,' is particularly venerated. Women, wearing myrtle
garlands, bathed in the men's baths (men were excluded from their
baths for the day). Fortuna Virilis was also venerated in connection
with Venus, her statue ritually bathed, and offerings of incense and
flowers made. A sacrifice to Iuno was made by a Pontifex and the Rex
Sacrorum in the Comitia Calabra after which a Pontifex Minor would
announce the date of the Nonae Aprilis. Shortly thereafter the Regina
Sacrorum made sacrifice to Iuno in the Regia.

Tomorrow is ante diem IV Nonae Aprilis; the day is fastus.
Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21753 From: Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: ***AVE*VENETA***
Salvete Omnes!
DO you want to join in the rowdy spectacle of cheering on your team at the
Circus Maximus?
Are the Green, Red or White not your thing?
Join Factio Veneta, the Blue Faction!
You may remeber us from such great riots at the Circus Maximus and the
Hippodrome!
We need to get out on the sand and charge with all our strength!
I implore members of Factio Veneta to enter the races!

G*CORNELIVS*AHENOBARBVS
Domini factionorum, Facctio Veneta


Post Scriptum. EDICTUM AEDILICIUM DE RATIONE LUDORUM CIRCENSUM

I. Any Nova Roman citizen or socius who is not under Aedilician
sanction may take part in the Ludi Circenses organised by the Aediles
Curules. Each citizen may enter no more than one chariot per ludi.

II. An entrant who wishes to participate in the Ludi Circenses must
send a subscription to **** Quintus Salix Cantaber at:
qsalixcant@... *****
no less than *** two days *** prior to the commencement of the ludi.
Each
subscription must bear the subject header "Ludi Circenses" and include
the following information:

A. His/her name in Nova Roma;

B. The name of his/her driver;

C. The name of his/her chariot;

D. His/her tactics for the Quarter and Semifinals;

E. His/her tactics for the Finals;

F. The name of his/her "factio" or team (Albata, Praesina, Russata,
or Veneta);

G. Dirty actions against another factio in a specific round
(quarter-final, semi-final, or final) and amount of sesterces paid in
support of it (an entrant does not have to pay sesterces to commission
a dirty action, but doing so increases the chances of success);

H. Defence against dirty actions in a specific round (quarter-final,
semi-final, or final) and amount of sesterces paid in support of it
(an entrant does not have to pay sesterces to defend against a dirty
action, but doing so decreases the chances of success of the dirty
action);

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21754 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: Resignation
A. Apollonius Cordus to L. Cornelius Sardonicus, and
to all his fellow-citizens and all peregrines,
greetings.

> I wrote that in response to the comment that the
> next person to resign their
> office without passing on their duties should be
> 'taught a lesson in
> responsibility.' What lesson do you propose to
> teach and how do envision
> administering that instruction?

I think perhaps you misunderstood the implications of
my remark. I did not say that the next person to
resign from office irresponsibly ought to be taught a
lesson; I said that such an event would show that that
person ought to have been taught a lesson already in
order to prevent him or her from so acting. The lesson
to be taught is that such behaviour is not acceptable
to this community, and the means to teach it is for
such actions (not, I must stress, such *people*, but
such actions) to be publicly condemned rather than
greeted with unequivocal outpourings of sympathy or
so-whattery.

> Only an agent-centered morality will ensure an
> individual will handle their
> duties or be quit of them in a responsibile manner.
> These motivations must
> come from within.

That's a fair point, but it ignores the important
relationship between inner attitude and social
pressure. Though ultimately a person's decisions are
based on his or her moral framework, that moral
framework is necessarily influenced by his or her
understanding of what reactions to expect from others,
particularly from those whose opinions he or she
values. This is not only, though it is partly, a crude
'carrot-and-stick' matter whereby people must be
deterred from doing what they want to do by the threat
of social disapproval. Much more importantly, by
failing to express our disappointment and disapproval
we fail to make people aware of the negative emotional
and practical impact which such behaviour has on the
community.

When weighing up whether to resign in this way, a
person looking back across the years and finding that
abrupt resignation is generally greeted with sympathy
and understanding with no condemnation or criticism
will have no disincentive, but rather positive
incentive, to resign: that is the carrot-and-stick
point. More importantly, if that person looks back and
recalls no expressions of anger, hurt, or disapproval
in similar cases in the past, he or she will probably
form the impression that no one minds such behaviour
and that therefore, although it may in some
nit-picking sense be wrong, it's basically okay
because nobody will mind. Well, that's not true, and
if we give that impression then the next time someone
resigns in this way we will be partly to blame for
failing to make it clear how much we object.

> If that instruction was somehow effective, why
> should it apply only to the
> next person to leave in a huff? If you're
> suggesting that we should make an
> example of the next person to quit, I question the
> effectiveness of that
> action. I don't think it will make a difference.
> What is the value of a
> punishment to someone who is decided that the duties
> assigned to them by
> aren't worth their time? What is the value to Nova
> Roma in punishing
> someone who has disabused the public trust and
> thereby diminished themselves
> in the eyes of the community?

Again I think your questions, though reasonable, are
based on your earlier misunderstanding of my precise
implications. There have been people who have
suggested that some specific judicial penalty be
applied to people who resign in this way, but I'm not
of that opinion. In any case I'm sure such behaviour
would be actionable under existing laws, should anyone
wish to prosecute. My concern is that by voicing our
condemnation of such behaviour when it occurs we
should seek to dissuade others from doing so in
future; the effect of such condemnation on people who
have already behaved in this way is, as you say,
unlikely to produce any benefit.

> We should certainly do everything we can to keep
> talented people, but in
> those cases where we can't, I see no need to pander
> to someone's ego with an
> outcry of support, nor do I see the need to flood
> the main list with a
> series of condemnations. There are plenty of other
> talented individuals
> ready to assume the duties of those who leave.

I hope I've explained more clearly why I feel there is
a need to express condemnation - not in a flood (and
you may feel that I've been generating a flood of
condemnation all on my own, but that's only because I
find myself being called upon to justify the need to
condemn at all), but in a short and forceful
expression of the feelings of the community as a
whole. Sympathy and understanding are important as
well; but we must be careful that these do not
outweigh the disapproval and thereby give the
impression that most people don't mind. The more
sympathy we express, the more disapproval we must
express to balance it, with the ultimate aim of
showing that however sympathetic we may be we
fundamentally do not condone irresponsible behaviour.

The third option - a 'so what, never mind' sort of
attitude - seems to me equally unhelpful, for it
suggests that we neither mind very much being insulted
and let down in this way nor care very much for the
emotional well-being of the person who does the
insulting and letting down. The resignation of a
magistrate is an important public event, and we ought
to care and have a view on it - the reason Aristotle
says that a man who takes no interest in politics does
not mind his own business but has no business is
because political events, by their very nature, are
the business of the whole community and demand its
attention.

As for the idea that we have plenty of citizens ready
and able to assume the duties of those who leave us in
the lurch, this not only ignores the disruptions and
difficulties such resignations cause to those who have
to take over, but it is also quite simply incorrect.
Last November's elections for curule aedile, eagle
editor, and webmaster were unopposed; those for
quaestor and rogator were one candidate short; and of
the remaining elections, in only one (for tribune) did
the number of candidates exceed the number of posts by
more than one. Within three months one plebeian aedile
has gone missing and no candidates can be found to
replace him; and we have lost a quaestor. None of this
suggests a superabundance of citizens ready to fill
any vacancies that may open.





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21756 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: Resignation
A. Apollonius Cordus to all his fellow-citizens and
peregrines, greetings.

Oops - I see it's been my turn to make the gaffe which
seems to be compulsory at least once a month.
Naturally I apologize for taking up bandwidth
unnecessarily, and I look forward to it being someone
else's turn next. :)





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21757 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: "Eagle"
A. Apollonius Cordus to his friend the Curator and
Senator M. Minucius-Tiberius Audens, and to all his
fellow-citizens and all peregrines, greetings.

Just a short note to say congratulations to you and
your staff on the new issue of the Eagle: I have to
confess it's the first I've actually read, and I've
found it both enjoyable and interesting.





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21758 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Call for Candidates: Quaestor
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Consulis Quiritibus Salutem Plurimam Dicit:

The resignation of Quaestor Livia Cornelia Hibernia leaves us with a
vacancy to be filled. Therefore I invite all qualified citizens who
wish to seek the office of Quaestor to announce their candidacy no
earlier than tomorrow. (Today is a dies nefastus, and no legal actions
are permitted.) I shall call the Comitia Populi Tributa during the
month of April to elect a new Quaestor, presuming one or more candidates
present themselves.

Valete,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21759 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: Resignation
Quirites,

The resignation of Livia Cornelia Hibernia has been difficult for all of
us in Nova Roma who were touched by her in her time among us. Many of
us, myself included, feel that we have lost a friend we'd come to know
and respect. It is normal and natural that we've no wish to speak ill
of our lost friend.

The point has been made that Cornelia's sudden departure has left a
number of people in the lurch. This is true, and I don't want any of
you thinking that she ought to be forgiven for abandoning her
responsibilities. She had, of her own free will, taken on duties and
responsibilities as a magistrate in the central government, and as an
officer in the Sodalitas Militarium, and as Domina Factionia of the
Praesina Factio. By resigning she has forsworn her oath of office and
has left undone those things which she ought to have done. Other
dedicated people now must step in and clean up the mess left behind.

I do not know very much about what caused her to reach the decision she
reached. I would not have expected such a thing from an officer of the
US Armed Forces. Still, she is gone now and we must go on without her.

I would ask you all to remember Livia Cornelia Hibernia, the person, as
someone who was worth knowing. I would also ask you to remember her
magistracy as an object lesson in failure. Like the failures of other
Roman magistrates before her, we are left with a wreckage to study and
to learn from. Fortunately nobody died. No eagles were lost. No funds
were absconded. The damage is repairable and we will go on. But just
because we're able to overcome the loss doesn't mitigate her failure to
execute her duty.

Please learn from this experience.

Valete,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21760 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: Resignation
Salvete Consul Marine et omnes,

Thank you for your input here. The point I would like to conclude
about resignations in general; particularily citizenship, is that
when someone leaves we need not mean mouth them or criticize their
actions but at the same time the Senate, sodalistas, magistrates and
the people of Nova Roma need not throw on sack cloth and ashes and
flog themselves saying it is our fault, our actions, our lack of
sensitvity, inactions etc that cause these people to leave, threaten
thr Res Republic, Pax Deorum and all that.

Except for a few, I notice that when citizens quit they give a quick
one or two paragraph phrase saying I am disallusioned, disappointed
and out of here. They usually unsubscribe right away like an ostrich
with its head in the sand and do not have the courtesy to hear any
responses or ideas, other ways of considering things from concerned
citizens who may help them reconsider. Do we blame ourselves for
that? I think not. Hopefully many of us when upset, disallusioned or
tired of things will present our arguments to each other the list,
keep the doors of communication open rather than acting in a more
melodramatic way indicating that our whole NR world has crashed...
you know - I did not fail Nova Roma! Nova Roma failed me!


Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@c...> wrote:
> Quirites,
>
> The resignation of Livia Cornelia Hibernia has been difficult for
all of
> us in Nova Roma who were touched by her in her time among us.
Many of
> us, myself included, feel that we have lost a friend we'd come to
know
> and respect. It is normal and natural that we've no wish to speak
ill
> of our lost friend.
>
> The point has been made that Cornelia's sudden departure has left
a
> number of people in the lurch. This is true, and I don't want any
of
> you thinking that she ought to be forgiven for abandoning her
> responsibilities. She had, of her own free will, taken on duties
and
> responsibilities as a magistrate in the central government, and as
an
> officer in the Sodalitas Militarium, and as Domina Factionia of
the
> Praesina Factio. By resigning she has forsworn her oath of office
and
> has left undone those things which she ought to have done. Other
> dedicated people now must step in and clean up the mess left
behind.
>
> I do not know very much about what caused her to reach the
decision she
> reached. I would not have expected such a thing from an officer
of the
> US Armed Forces. Still, she is gone now and we must go on without
her.
>
> I would ask you all to remember Livia Cornelia Hibernia, the
person, as
> someone who was worth knowing. I would also ask you to remember
her
> magistracy as an object lesson in failure. Like the failures of
other
> Roman magistrates before her, we are left with a wreckage to study
and
> to learn from. Fortunately nobody died. No eagles were lost. No
funds
> were absconded. The damage is repairable and we will go on. But
just
> because we're able to overcome the loss doesn't mitigate her
failure to
> execute her duty.
>
> Please learn from this experience.
>
> Valete,
>
> -- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21761 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: Resignation
Salvete,

Well, about resign I was considering.

If some of us get a job that really doesn´t allow us to dedicate
ourselves to Nova Roma, it is a worthy cause resign the magistratures
and allow space for new people. Not the citizenship, but the
magistratures. This is an atitude worthy of all praises, a signal of
responsability.

It is not the case we are talking, surely. But a case that for me,
for exemple, can happen any time. I can anytime be promoted to a
factory on the middle of Amazon and be internetless and unreacheable.

Why people disappoint so much with NR?
Why we on NR disappoint so much people?

Perhaps because they expect of NR much more than it really is: A
worthy Non-Profit Organization to learn, a administration that can
really offer us a taste of the many aspects of the ancient
government, and the best source for the increasing of the ancient
religious feelling...

Valete bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus TRP, Propraetor

> Except for a few, I notice that when citizens quit they give a
quick
> one or two paragraph phrase saying I am disallusioned, disappointed
> and out of here. They usually unsubscribe right away like an
ostrich
> with its head in the sand and do not have the courtesy to hear any
> responses or ideas, other ways of considering things from concerned
> citizens who may help them reconsider. Do we blame ourselves for
> that? I think not. Hopefully many of us when upset, disallusioned
or
> tired of things will present our arguments to each other the list,
> keep the doors of communication open rather than acting in a more
> melodramatic way indicating that our whole NR world has crashed...
> you know - I did not fail Nova Roma! Nova Roma failed me!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21762 From: Diana Aventina Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: The Veneralia
Salvete citizens and friends!
My apologies for not posting this earlier.

Today is the Veneralia , which is sacred to Venus Verticordia.

The month of April is named after Aphrodite, the Goddess of Love who was known to the Romans as
Venus. Venus is known as the Mother of the Roman people, as her distant grandson was Romulus, the
founder of Rome. As the Mother of the Roman people, she was worshipped as Venus Genetrix and as such
is one of the most honored Goddess of the Romans.

In April there are two festivals dedicated to the Goddess Venus: The first is today, April 1 and is
called the Veneralia and it honors Venus Verticordia, 'the Changer of Hearts" who later became the
protector against vice. After the Syballine books were consulted, Her temple was built on April 1,
114 CE in atonement for the inchastity of 3 Vestal virgins. So today is the 2118th anniversay of the
opening of that Temple. The worship of the goddess Fortuna Virilis was also part of this festival.

This festival is specifically one for women. According to Ovidius' Fasti, the statue of the Goddess
was cleansed on this day by both married and unmarried women and courtesans. The ladies wore crowns
of myrtle and once the goddess was bathed, they again adorned Her with jewels and garlands of roses:

"Yours are the Goddess's rites, Latin mothers and brides,
You too, who wear not the fillets and long robe (courtesans).
Remove the golden necklaces from her marble neck,
Remove the jewels: bathe the Goddess whole.
Dry her neck and restore the golden necklace to it;
Then dress her with flowers and new roses.
She tells you too to bathe beneath the green myrtle,
And the cause of it (learn it!) is certain.
She was naked on a beach, drying her dripping hair
When a randy band of satyrs saw her.
She noticed them and screened her body with myrtle.
This saved her and she tells you to repeat it."

After the Goddess is bathed and dressed, incense was then offered to Fortuna Virilis. The ladies
would make a libation and then drink the potion that Venus drank on her wedding night: crushed poppy
in milk and honey. Then wearing garlands of myrtle on their heads, they would bathe in the public
baths and pray to Fortuna Virilis that the men would not see any flaws or blemishes that they might
have. According to Lydus and the Prenaestine Fasti, only the ordinary populace bathed in the men's
baths in honor of Fortuna Virilis and this was possibly aimed at promoting sexual union.

Honoring Venus Verticordia on this day is relatively easy to recreate with friends or alone at home.

I have a room at home which is specifically and only Venus's Temple. No one is even allowed in that
room unless I know for sure that they will show respect for the Goddess. In her Temple I have many
statues of Venus and her altar. Her altar is decorated with sea shells, rose quartz and rocks in the
shape of a heart which I gathered on the shores of Greece. I also have the altar decorated with
fresh flowers (usually roses) which are sacred to her plus jewelry and other pretty trinkets which I
find fitting for the Goddess of Love and Beauty. The main Venus of the Temple wears a gold chain
around her neck.

I have not found an ancient Venus Verticordia ritual in any texts. So the following are suggestions
only. I realize that most people do not have a separate temple at home dedicated to the Goddess of
Love, but if you own a statue of her, that will work as well. Before starting, it is necessary to be
clean. If you don't have a wreath of myrtle cover your head with a shawl, and should burn some
incense in offering (see the Religio pages for the outline of a proper Religio Romana ritual). I
find that reciting a Homeric hymn or another prayer out of the Classics is also very nice. (see my
website http://www.goddessoflove.tk 'prayers'). Then take Venus as honorably as you can and bring
her to your bath. It is nice also to have some very very quiet music (flutes or recorders are nice)
to drown out any unasked for background noise. Burning incense in the bathroom also adds a nice
aroma and will mask any disinfectant or any toilet smells that may be lurking. Give Venus a nice
warm bath with a soft sponge. Make sure that your statue is not made of chalk before you bathe her
or she may melt! To me the general feeling should be one of a bridesmaid fawning over a bride.

Dry Venus gently but thoroughly. Then return her to her place and make another offering of incense
accompanied by roses or other pretty flowers. If you can afford it, a gold necklace would be perfect
to drape around her neck or some other pretty necklace. Remember that once given to her, the
necklace is Hers :-)

Next, is the ritual bath. As you run your bath water, prepare a drink of warm milk and honey (and
poppys if you have them). Unfortunately, I don't own a statue of Fortuna, but in the bathroom I
burned incense in offering to her. Again very very soft background music is quite nice As the bath
fills, first make a libation to the bot Goddesses and then slowly drink your milk and honey potion.
As you drink it, pray to Venus and Fortuna Virilis. Use your own words or something similar to:
'Venus Goddess of Love and Beauty, grant me beauty within and without. Fortuna Virilis, let those
who look upon me see only the goodness in my heart and the beauty of my spirit. Goddesses, grant
that my negativity be washed away by your bath and that I be purified both in body and in spirit."
Then enter your bath and visualize the Goddesses melting your inner and outer blemishes away. Stay
in the nice relaxing bath as long as you like.

For those of you who wish, feel free to stop by Venus's online Temple at http://www.goddessoflove.tk
. A real world offering is always nice, but Venus loves attention and an online virtual offering
would please her as well :-)

Valete,
Diana Octavia Aventina
Sacerdos Veneris
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21763 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: Resignation
< I would also ask you to remember her
<magistracy as an object lesson in failure. Like the failures of other
<Roman magistrates before her, we are left with a wreckage to study and
<to learn from.

Salve Marinus,

Good point. I understand that she felt the necessity to resign. What I don't understand is when we
have magistrates who pick up and leave without making sure that the people taking over his/her
work wouldn't be left with a mess. This has happened before. (I am being sarcastic now), but maybe
we need to put a line or two in the oath of office that a magistrate can't disappear off the face
of the earth without communicating to those that need to know, what has been done, what not and
any relevant codes etc.

By the way, has anyone tried to telpehone Gracchus, our missing Aedile? He was enthusiastic to run
and so I am hoping that illness is not the reason that we've not heard from him.

Vale,
Diana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21764 From: Sp. Fabia Vera Fausta Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: Resignation
>
> By the way, has anyone tried to telpehone Gracchus, our missing
Aedile? He was enthusiastic to run
> and so I am hoping that illness is not the reason that we've not
heard from him.
>
> Vale,
> Diana

Salve Diana Octavia;
I have emailed M.Calidus Gracchus since February and given his
address to Lucius Arminius Faustus, the Plebian Aedile, and whoever
else asked for it. I was the one who inferred that his absence might
be due to illness I really have no idea, and never had his
micronational name, address or anything else, nor has any other
Hiberni that I have met. I will suscribe him to the new NRHispania
group.
vale Sp.Fabia Vera Fausta
Propraetrix Hiberniae
cohors Censoris CFQ
sacerdos Matris deum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21765 From: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: More New Citizens
Salve-

Please also help me to welcome Marcus Moravius Ambiorix to the
Moravii - we are very pleased to have him with us!

A. Moravia Aurelia


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia"
<arnamentia_aurelia@y...> wrote:
>
> I am very pleased to introduce the two newest members of the gens
> Moravia, Caius Moravius Brutus and Paulus Moravius Brennus.
Welcome
> to our clan and to Nova Roma!
>
> Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21766 From: Sp. Fabia Vera Fausta Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Provincia Hibernia; new Group
Salvete Quirites;
I have created a yahoo group for our new provincia, please subscribe
and you will already find postings about celebrating Rome's birthday,
and Ludi Megalesia, and our next provincia meeting.
All Hiberni are welcome as are all Nova Romans
Failte!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NRHibernia/
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21767 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Roman Numeral Pocket Calculator
Salve,
Here is a Pocket Calculator that uses Roman Numerals. There is only
a Mac OSX version and it is available in French and English
with German coming. Here is the link:
http://perso.club-internet.fr/jgmarand/EN/Dratiocinator.html. I thought
I would try to post something amusing and possibly useful.

Vale,

Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus

--
AIM: PropraetorAMS or CensorSVR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21768 From: Sp. Fabia Vera Fausta Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: More New Citizens
Salve Moravi!
Romans and Gauls...Arnamentia Moravia you will have the most
fearsome gens in NR;-
New citizens let me remind you that there is a course "Introduction
to Nova Roma" at Academia Thules, do sign up for it, it was the best
thing I did as a new civis.
vale Sp. Fabia Vera Fausta




In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia"
<arnamentia_aurelia@y...> wrote:
> Salve-
>
> Please also help me to welcome Marcus Moravius Ambiorix to the
> Moravii - we are very pleased to have him with us!
>
> A. Moravia Aurelia
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia"
> <arnamentia_aurelia@y...> wrote:
> >
> > I am very pleased to introduce the two newest members of the gens
> > Moravia, Caius Moravius Brutus and Paulus Moravius Brennus.
> Welcome
> > to our clan and to Nova Roma!
> >
> > Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21769 From: Charlie Collins Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: Roman Numeral Pocket Calculator
Salve,
Take the period off the end of the link for it to work, sorry. :-)

Vale,
Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21770 From: Lucius Cassius Pontonius Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: ***AVE*VENETA***
sent in my application to participate! Veneta shall reign supreme!

With Respect,

Lucius Cassius Pontonius (Michael Ponte)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus" <ahenobarbus@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:57 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] ***AVE*VENETA***


> Salvete Omnes!
> DO you want to join in the rowdy spectacle of cheering on your team at
the
> Circus Maximus?
> Are the Green, Red or White not your thing?
> Join Factio Veneta, the Blue Faction!
> You may remeber us from such great riots at the Circus Maximus and the
> Hippodrome!
> We need to get out on the sand and charge with all our strength!
> I implore members of Factio Veneta to enter the races!
>
> G*CORNELIVS*AHENOBARBVS
> Domini factionorum, Facctio Veneta
>
>
> Post Scriptum. EDICTUM AEDILICIUM DE RATIONE LUDORUM CIRCENSUM
>
> I. Any Nova Roman citizen or socius who is not under Aedilician
> sanction may take part in the Ludi Circenses organised by the Aediles
> Curules. Each citizen may enter no more than one chariot per ludi.
>
> II. An entrant who wishes to participate in the Ludi Circenses must
> send a subscription to **** Quintus Salix Cantaber at:
> qsalixcant@... *****
> no less than *** two days *** prior to the commencement of the ludi.
> Each
> subscription must bear the subject header "Ludi Circenses" and include
> the following information:
>
> A. His/her name in Nova Roma;
>
> B. The name of his/her driver;
>
> C. The name of his/her chariot;
>
> D. His/her tactics for the Quarter and Semifinals;
>
> E. His/her tactics for the Finals;
>
> F. The name of his/her "factio" or team (Albata, Praesina, Russata,
> or Veneta);
>
> G. Dirty actions against another factio in a specific round
> (quarter-final, semi-final, or final) and amount of sesterces paid in
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> semi-final, or final) and amount of sesterces paid in support of it
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21771 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: Resignation
Salve Diana, et salvete quirites,

Diana Octavia Aventina wrote:

> maybe we need to put a line or two in the oath of office
> that a magistrate can't disappear off the face of the earth
> without communicating to those that need to know, what has
> been done, what not and any relevant codes etc.

It might be worth considering. My initial impulse is that for those who
take their oaths seriously, we're not going to have problems anyway, and
for those who don't, all of the oath in the world isn't going to change
things. But maybe spelling it out explicitly will make some difference.

Something I've also been considering is requiring an oath from
candidates for office, rather than only from those who win the elections.

Vale,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21772 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Newest citizen of Nova Britannia
G. Lanius Falco Quiritibus S.P.D.

Salvete, Quirites

It is with great pleasure that I publicly announce to you the newest citizen
of Nova Britannia: Decius Iunius Palladius. Join me in welcoming him with an
email to his most illustrious pater, Senator Decius Iunius Palladius
Invictus, Legatus Regionis Vermont.

Welcome, Decius Iunius Palladius!!!

Valete,

G. Lanius Falco
*****************************************************
Propraetor Nova Britannia
Praefectus Sodalitas Egressus Nova Britannia
Scriba Curatoris Differum
Paterfamilias Gens Lania


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21773 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: Newest citizen of Nova Britannia
lanius117@... wrote:

> G. Lanius Falco Quiritibus S.P.D.
>
> Salvete, Quirites
>
> It is with great pleasure that I publicly announce to you the newest citizen
> of Nova Britannia: Decius Iunius Palladius. Join me in welcoming him with an
> email to his most illustrious pater, Senator Decius Iunius Palladius
> Invictus, Legatus Regionis Vermont.
>
> Welcome, Decius Iunius Palladius!!!

Welcome to the world, little Roman. I'm sure you've already improved it
just by being here.

Vale,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21774 From: Decius Iunius Palladius Date: 2004-04-01
Subject: Re: [NovaBritannia] Newest citizen of Nova Britannia
Salve propraetor, salvete cives,

Thank you all of you for welcoming my son. It will be awhile before he
actually posts anything himself, as today he turned four weeks old!
Someday he will be seen at Nova Roman events in person.

Again, my thanks.

Valete,

Palladius


lanius117@... wrote:
>
> G. Lanius Falco Quiritibus S.P.D.
>
> Salvete, Quirites
>
> It is with great pleasure that I publicly announce to you the newest citizen
> of Nova Britannia: Decius Iunius Palladius. Join me in welcoming him with an
> email to his most illustrious pater, Senator Decius Iunius Palladius
> Invictus, Legatus Regionis Vermont.
>
> Welcome, Decius Iunius Palladius!!!
>
> Valete,
>
> G. Lanius Falco
> *****************************************************
> Propraetor Nova Britannia
> Praefectus Sodalitas Egressus Nova Britannia
> Scriba Curatoris Differum
> Paterfamilias Gens Lania
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21775 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-04-02
Subject: ante diem IV Nonae Aprilis
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem IV Nonae Aprilis; the day is fastus.

Tomorrow is ante diem III Nonae Aprilis; the day is comitialis.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21776 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-04-02
Subject: Re: More New Citizens
<Please also help me to welcome Marcus Moravius Ambiorix to the
<Moravii - we are very pleased to have him with us!

Welkom Marcus Moravius! U heeft een goede Gens gevonden! U woont in Antwerpen, nee? Ik zal zeker
contact met je maken omdat ik kom ook uit Vlaanderen.

Groetjes,
Diana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21777 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2004-04-02
Subject: Ludi Megalesia: Cultural Contest
M IVL PERVSIANVS QVIRITIBVS SPD

avete omnes,

just to remind that you have only two more days to deliver your works
for the <<MEGALESIA CULTURAL CONTEST 2004>>!!!

Hurry up!

valete
Marcus Iulius Perusianus, Aedilis Curulis
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ENJOY THE LUDI MEGALESIA 2004 @
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/ludi.html

PLEASE GIVE TO THE MAGNA MATER PROJECT @
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/magnamater6.html
----------------------------------------------------------
PS. Below the rules for the Contest!



+ Regulation +
(also see at:
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/m_award _rules.html )

1) The literary award, "Megalesia Cultural Contest" is open to all the
citizens of Nova Roma. The task of the contest is to write a text
about a political, social, historical or religious deeds connected to
the cult of the Magna Mater in Rome.

2) The Award is open to single participants or to groups composed of a
maximum of 5 citizens. Each participant or group of participants can
participate with just _one_ work. It isn't allowed to be a member of a
group and participate as a individual at the same time. The
contributed
work must be in English, with a maximum of 500 words. These kinds of
works are accepted: novel, poem, drama, tragedy, comedy.

3) Each text must have the following facts about the participant(s):
Nova Roman name, real name, Nova Roman Province, age and e-mail
address.

4) The deadline to send own work is April 4th 2004 (2757 a.u.c.) at
24.00 time of Roma, by e-mail to m_iulius@v... [m_iulius AT
virgilio DOT it - Marcus Iulius Perusianus] with the
subject "Megalesia
Cultural Contest". Entries posted to any Nova Roma mailing list will
be
disqualified.

5) The texts will judged by a Jury composed by the following
Honourables
Citizens:

- Consul Gneus Salix Astur
- Consul Gneus Equitius Marinus
- Senior Aedile Curule Gaius Iulius Scaurus
- ex Senior Aedilis Curulis and Censor Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
- ex Senior Aedilis Curulis and Tribunus Franciscus Apulus Caesar
- Procurator of Academia Thule, Caius Curius Saturninus
- Coryphaeus of Sodalitas Musarum Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
- Fabia Tullia, Latinist of the Sodalitas Musarum

6) Each judge in the jury shall value each work following this table
of
judgement:
- Contents (0-10 points)
- Roman historical references (0-10 points)
- Language (0-10 points)
- Poetry and dramatization (0-10 points)
- Specific references to contents (0-10 points)
The points from all judges are summarized and this sum will decide who
will win (min. 0 - max. 400).
The judgements of the jury are un-impugnable.

7) The result will be published on April 7th 2004 at the Marcus Iulius
Perusianus' Cohors Aedilis Websites Ludi Section
(http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/m_award_results.html) and
on the Main Mailing List of Nova Roma.

8) The winner will have his work published on Marcus Iulius
Perusianus'
Cohors Aedilis Websites Ludi Section and, once realized, on the
Official
Website of the Magna Mater Project.

9) The texts will be archived by the Ludi organization. The
participants
give the copyrights of their text to Nova Roma accepting this
regulation. This Regulation is accepted by taking part of
the "Megalesia
Cultural Award".

10) For a brief explanation about how take part, please visit:
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/m_gla_howto.html

valete
Marcus Iulius Perusianus, Aedilis Curulis
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ENJOY THE LUDI MEGALESIA 2004 @
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/ludi.html

PLEASE GIVE TO THE MAGNA MATER PROJECT @
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/magnamater6.html
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21778 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-04-02
Subject: Re: Resignation
A. Apollonius Cordus to his friend the Consul Cn.
Equitius Marinus, to Quaestor Diana Octavia Aventina,
and to all his fellow-citizens and all peregrines,
greetings.

> > maybe we need to put a line or two in the oath of
> office
> > that a magistrate can't disappear off the face of
> the earth
> > without communicating to those that need to know,
> what has
> > been done, what not and any relevant codes etc.
>
> It might be worth considering. My initial impulse
> is that for those who
> take their oaths seriously, we're not going to have
> problems anyway, and
> for those who don't, all of the oath in the world
> isn't going to change
> things. But maybe spelling it out explicitly will
> make some difference.
>
> Something I've also been considering is requiring an
> oath from
> candidates for office, rather than only from those
> who win the elections.

Another thing which might help is reviving the
historical practice whereby every magistrate swore an
oath not only on taking office (to uphold the laws
&c.) but also on leaving office (that he had upheld
the laws &c.). Taking an oath to do something in the
future may seem to some like little more than a
statement of intention, and thus something not too
hard to deviate from if the intention changes later;
maybe a little extra incentive would arise from the
knowledge that in a year's time one would have to
swear that one had indeed done what one said one would
do. Or, to put it another way: currently breaking
one's oath means breaking a promise; with the second
oath, one would have to break a promise and then lie
about doing it.

Naturally that wouldn't help us with magistrates who
resign both office and citizenship, because they leave
our jurisdiction and can't be required to swear the
second oath; but it might help magistrates (the ones
who don't already) take their oaths a little more
seriously in other respects.





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21779 From: Sp. Fabia Vera Fausta Date: 2004-04-02
Subject: Re: Ludi Megalesia - Call for Naumachiae
Salve Senator Apulus Caesar;
sign me up on your trireme!
valete Sp. Fabia Vera Fausta



In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "FAC" <sacro_barese_impero@l...> wrote:
> Salvete Omnes,
> I subscribed my new fast and strong trireme called ITALICA within
> 150 expert steerman.
> Italica want you, board the Italica winning the games in honour of
> Magna MAter!!!
>
> Valete
> Fr. Apulus Caesar
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Marcus Iulius Perusianus"
> <m_iulius@v...> wrote:
> > M IVL PERVSIANVS QVIRITIBVS SPD
> >
> > avete omnes,
> >
> > The Naumachiae is intended to be the fight between two sides,
> playing
> > each team the part of a famous side in Antiquity, reproducing
> famous
> > historical battles, like the Greeks winning at Salamina against
> the
> > Persians, or the Corcyreans destroying the Corinthian fleet.
> >
> > These are the rules for the great battle in the naumachia (see
> below
> > and at
> http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/m_nau_rules.html !
> >
> > It's going to be held on April 9th. All you have to do is to form
> > your own fleet and ask to other citizens to take part, or join
one
> > fleet already formed asking to its Supreme Captain.
> >
> > Then every citizen/Captain have to send his subscritions to
> > c.curius@w... specifing:
> >
> > - type of equipments bougth with 500 sesterces (see the rules
> below
> > and at
> http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/m_nau_rules.html)
> >
> > - a choice as SUPREME CAPTAIN (Great Captain of the fleet) once
> you
> > have chosen
> >
> > - his own tactic (among four, see the rules)
> >
> > Subscriptions are admitted until April 8th.
> >
> > Valete omnes!
> >
> >
> > Marcus Iulius Perusianus, Aedilis Curulis
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > ENJOY THE LUDI MEGALESIA 2004 @
> > http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/ludi.html
> >
> > PLEASE GIVE TO THE MAGNA MATER PROJECT @
> > http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/magnamater6.html
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > NAUMACHIAE
> >
> > INTRODUCTION
> >
> > The Naumachiae is intended to be the fight between two sides,
> playing
> > each team the part of a famous side in Antiquity, reproducing
> famous
> > historical battles, like the Greeks winning at Salamina against
> the
> > Persians, or the Corcyreans destroying the Corinthian fleet. The
> > citizens join a team following the next rules as Captains:
> >
> > EQUIPMENT
> >
> > Every citizen/Captain involved in the Naumachiae must purchase a
> ship
> > and
> > the equipment before join a team. Each Captain have got 500
> > sextercios to
> > spend Those are the items to purchase with this money:
> >
> > Bireme (Includes 160 warriors and corvus): 200
> > Trirreme (Includes 200 warriors and corvus): 300
> > Catapult: 200
> > Steersman:
> > - Inexperienced: 50
> > - Medium: 100
> > - Expert: 150
> >
> >
> > SUPREME CAPTAIN (1)
> >
> > A citizen must be elected as the Great Captain of the fleet. His
> ship
> > will
> > be under the rules of "Supreme Captains".
> >
> >
> > TACTICS
> >
> > There are four different tactics. Each ship has its one, but
> before
> > choosing
> > it the Captain should talk to the other members of his team for a
> > co-ordinate battle.
> >
> > I. Frontal assault with the prow. Your ship attacks with the prow.
> > II. To break the opponent rows. Your ship takes back its own rows
> and
> > with
> > the side breaks the opponent rows.
> > III. Just boarding. Your ship uses its corvus to pass the
warriors.
> >
> >
> > RESOLUTION OF THE NAVAL COMBAT
> >
> > Each captain have the same tactic for the whole combat.
> >
> > First a 10 side dice must be rolled in order to determine the
> > Initiative and
> > who starts fighting. The kind of steersman and tactic increase or
> > decrease
> > it. Highest number is the first fighting.
> >
> >
> > Steersman inexperienced: -3
> > Steersman medium: 0
> > Steersman expert: +3
> > Tactic I: +3
> > Tactic II: 0
> > Tactic III: -3
> >
> > The equipment and tactic gives a punctuation that increase or
> > decrease the
> > Offensive Bonus for the winning. A 100 side dice must be rolled
in
> > order to
> > determine the OB. The highest OB wins the combat.
> >
> >
> > Birreme (160 warriors): +25
> > Trirreme (200 warriors): +75
> > Catapult: +50
> >
> > Tactic:
> > I: +25
> > II: 0
> > III: +50
> >
> >
> > SUPREME CAPTAINS (2):
> >
> > If the ship of the S.C. is destroyed, the remaining ships will
> have a
> > malus
> > of -6 to Initiative and -50 to the OB.
> >
> >
> > WINNERS:
> >
> > The side whose ships are still floating and prevails will win.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21780 From: Manius Constantinus Serapio Date: 2004-04-02
Subject: Re: More New Citizens
AVETE OMNES

> <Please also help me to welcome Marcus Moravius Ambiorix to the
> <Moravii - we are very pleased to have him with us!

Ambiorix? I still remember that black statue of Ambiorix in the
center of Tongeren which we saw during the first NR Rally in
Europe :-)
Shall we fear this new civis? <g> :-)

Welcome M Moravi!

BENE VALETE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21781 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-04-03
Subject: Re: [NovaBritannia] Newest citizen of Nova Britannia
Salve Illustris Decius Iunius Palladius!

I must say that it was a pleasure to approve this young man. ;-)
Congratulations!

>Salve propraetor, salvete cives,
>
>Thank you all of you for welcoming my son. It will be awhile before he
>actually posts anything himself, as today he turned four weeks old!
>Someday he will be seen at Nova Roman events in person.
>
>Again, my thanks.
>
>Valete,
>
>Palladius

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21782 From: Caius Curius Saturninus Date: 2004-04-03
Subject: how to take part into Ludi Circenses
Salvete omnes,

The racing season has begun and if you are not already a member of
any factio, now might be the good time to consider joining. What
would be the best factio to join then? The answer is: the one factio
that helps you to participate to the races by giving instructions and
help! But is there such factio?

The answer is: Yes there is: the GREENs always help new members to be
active, the only thing you need to do is just subscribe to our
mailing list and say "I'm new member."

The list is:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factiopraesina/
Or simply send blank email to:
factiopraesina-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

Subscribe today to take part the races in Megalesia and Cerialia!

Valete,
--

Caius Curius Saturninus

Quaestor
Legatus Regionis Finnicae
Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
Praeses et Triumvir Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.insulaumbra.com/regiofinnica
www.insulaumbra.com/academiathules
gsm: +358-50-3315279
fax: +358-9-8754751

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21783 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-04-03
Subject: ante diem III Nonae Aprilis
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem III Nonae Aprilis; the day is comitialis.

Tomorrow is pridie Nonae Aprilis and the Feria Megalesiae; the day is
comitialis. The Feria Megalesiae was the commemoration of the arrival
of the Goddess Magna Mater in Rome in 203 BCE. Annual celebration of
the event began in 191 BCE on completion of the Temple of Magna Mater,
although there is evidence that the feria was also observed in 193
BCE. It is from 191 BCE that the six-day feria was celebrated.
Elaborate feasts were held in private homes on the first evening of
feria, so elaborate that a sumptuary senatusconsultum was required in
161 BCE to limit expenditure on them. Prominent in the celebration of
the Megalesia were ludi scaenici, theatrical performances, but ludi
circenses were not part of the feria until the principate. Religious
ceremonies of the feria included an offering of herbs (monetum),
ritual lustration of the statue of the Goddess, and a procession of
her Phrygian priests, the galli; citizens were prohibited from
participating in the procession because Roman law prohibited
castration of citizens and galli were self-castrates.


Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21784 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-04-03
Subject: Re: More New Citizens
Salve Serapio,

<Ambiorix? I still remember that black statue of Ambiorix in the
<center of Tongeren which we saw during the first NR Rally in
<Europe :-)
<Shall we fear this new civis? <g> :-)

LOL! Maybe (we'll find out!) I see that Ambiorix statue every week and it has never failed to
impress me. Down the street (we walked past it everyday) there is a small one of Julianus. No one
notices him too much--even we didn't- He's a bit smaller than lifesize unlike the romantic larger
than life Ambiorix statue.
Vale,
Diana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21785 From: lcpontonius Date: 2004-04-03
Subject: Candidacy for Quaestor
Lucius Cassius Pontonius Civibus Romanae Salutem Plurimam Dicit:

I am here to announce my candidacy for the vacant Quaestor
position. I have been a citizen of Nova Roma since last summer and
have been following the course of government and feel that there may
be a place for me in our political arena.

In my macronational life, I have served in public office as a
Recreation Commissioner in my hometown of Swansea, Massachusetts.
During my 2 1/2 year term of office I served as both Secretary and
Vice Chairman of that 9 member board. I believe this has given me a
political advantage in that I have experience in government,
experience that I offer to Nova Roma.

I am also a manager of a restaurant here in Massachusetts. In my
work I have had the opportunity to work with money, manage it,
direct employees and get a grasp of what leadership and fiscal
responsibility is about. The business skills that I learned here
helped me to have a successful term in the Recreation Commission and
I feel they would be valuable to Nova Roma as well.

Besides being in Nova Roma, I am also the Executive Officer of a
Gaming Clan called "Rebel Ground Forces".
http://www.darkjedi.org/club/RGF/ I am very proud of the work I have
done there and I am proud to say that every battalion, Brigade, or
Division that I commanded was the best in the clan at the time I was
commander. I ask that anyone looking for a recommendation to my
commitment to internet accessed communities go to the proud members
of RGF for references to my abilities and dedication.

I will bring a fresh new face to Nova Roma as Quaestor. I am
eager to assist the Magistrates to do their jobs as efficiently and
honorably as they can. I guarantee that every action I take and
every cause I back will be in support of the proud traditions of
Republican Rome to which we all aspire, and to protect and honor the
citizens (Patrician and Plebian) of Nova Roma. I look forward to the
upcoming election and hope that when your time comes to vote, you
consider Lucius Cassius Pontonius favorably.

Valete,

Lucius Cassius Pontonius (Michael Ponte)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21786 From: Lucius Cassius Pontonius Date: 2004-04-03
Subject: Re: [NovaBritannia] Newest citizen of Nova Britannia
Welcome to Nova Roma! I am pleased to welcome you!

With Respect,

Lucius Cassius Pontonius (Michael Ponte)
----- Original Message -----
From: lanius117@...
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Cc: NovaBritannia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:54 PM
Subject: [NovaBritannia] Newest citizen of Nova Britannia


G. Lanius Falco Quiritibus S.P.D.

Salvete, Quirites

It is with great pleasure that I publicly announce to you the newest citizen
of Nova Britannia: Decius Iunius Palladius. Join me in welcoming him with an
email to his most illustrious pater, Senator Decius Iunius Palladius
Invictus, Legatus Regionis Vermont.

Welcome, Decius Iunius Palladius!!!

Valete,

G. Lanius Falco
*****************************************************
Propraetor Nova Britannia
Praefectus Sodalitas Egressus Nova Britannia
Scriba Curatoris Differum
Paterfamilias Gens Lania


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21787 From: Lucius Cornelius Cicero Date: 2004-04-03
Subject: Announcement of Candidacy
Salvete Consules et omnes cives

I would hereby like to announce my candidacy for the recently announced election.
Should I win this election, I will endeavour to do my utmost to help Nova Roma in whatever
way is required of me.

Regarding my qualifications for the position, all I can say is that I have a burning desire
to see Nova Roma grow by leaps and bounds and I feel that the best way to accomplish
this is through active participation in the administration of our Republic. As member of
the same gens as the Quaestor who resigned, I feel that it is only fitting that someone
from the same gens should step forward and attempt to finish what was left unfinished
by our gens member, in order to restor something of the honor of gens Cornelia. This
may sound antiquated, but personal and familial honor played a great role in Roma Antiqua,
and I think that our modern Republic can only benefit by applying some of the same values.

I also have a qualification in basic bookkeeping to my name which I think would be valuable in
the position of Quaestor.

Should anyone have any questions for me regarding my candidacy, please feel free to
e-mail me.

Bene Valete,


Lucius Cornelius Cicero

INTERPRETER(Afrikaans)
SCRIBA GENII DOCTRINAE PHILOSOPHIAE (Academia Thules)




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21788 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-04-03
Subject: Work travel in NJ
SALVETE OMNES

I have just sent an email to Consul Marinus with the particulars of
my work stay in NJ; if possible, I'll like to meet anybody of you
living there, so if someone is interested, I can send this document
to him too.

BENE VALETE
L IUL SULLA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21789 From: FAC Date: 2004-04-03
Subject: Re: Candidacy for Quaestor
Salve Illustrus Pontonius,

first of all good luck for your candidacy. I don't know you but
your references and experiences impressed me.
However I have a question for you about the following statement:

> Besides being in Nova Roma, I am also the Executive Officer of
a
> Gaming Clan called "Rebel Ground Forces".
> http://www.darkjedi.org/club/RGF/ I am very proud of the work I
have
> done there and I am proud to say that every battalion, Brigade, or
> Division that I commanded was the best in the clan at the time I
was
> commander. I ask that anyone looking for a recommendation to my
> commitment to internet accessed communities go to the proud
members
> of RGF for references to my abilities and dedication.

Why we would ask references to the Illustris members of a war role-
game? I hope you are not comparing Nova Roma to a role-game and the
good abilities of a role-player to the diferent skills, duties and
abilities of an high Magistrate of our Res Publica. ;-)

In any way good luck.

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21790 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-04-03
Subject: Historical Contest of Magna Mater Ludi Megalesia
AVETE OMNES

I have been chosen by Aedilis M Iul Perusianus to lead the
historical contest of Ludi Megalesia.

Here are the rules:
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/m_quiz_rules.html

Tomorrow I'll post on thil ML the first quiz between 19-20 Roman
hour. For any question, just ask!

All the answers have to be posted at the following email:
mm_quiz@....

BENE VALETE
L IUL SULLA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21791 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: pridie Nonae Aprilis -- Feria Megalesiae
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is pridie Nonae Aprilis and the Feria Megalesiae; the day is
comitialis. The Feria Megalesiae was the commemoration of the arrival
of the Goddess Magna Mater in Rome in 203 BCE. Annual celebration of
the event began in 191 BCE on completion of the Temple of Magna Mater,
although there is evidence that the feria was observed in 193 BCE. It
is from 191 BCE that the six-day feria was celebrated. Elaborate
feasts were held in private homes on the first evening of feria, so
elaborate that a sumptuary senatusconsultum was required in 161 BCE to
limit expenditure on them. Prominent in the celebration of the
Megalesia were ludi scaenici, theatrical performances, but ludi
circenses were not part of the feria until the principate. Religious
ceremonies of the feria included an offering of herbs (monetum),
ritual lustration of the statue of the Goddess, and a procession of
her Phrygian priests, the galli; citizens were prohibited from
participating in the procession because Roman law prohibited
castration of citizens and galli were self-castrates.

Tomorrow is Nonae Aprilis, Feria Fortunae Publicae, and Feria
Meglaesiae; the day is nefastus. On this day the Rex Sacrorum would
announce the regular fixed feriae of the month on the Nonae by
edictum. The Nonae were sacred to Iuno Covella and the Regina
Sacrorum sacrificed to Iuno at the Regia. The Feria Fortunae Publicae
honoured the establishment of the Temple of Fortuna Publica. The
Feria Megalesiae continued. The Feria Fortunae Publicae celebrates
the dedication of the temple of Fortuna Publica on the Quirinal.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21792 From: m_iulius@virgilio.it Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Ludi Megalensis, let's the festival begin!
MM IVL PERVSIANVS QVIRITIBVS S.P.D.

Ex Officio Curulis Aedilis Marci Iulii Perusiani

<<Quare magna deum mater materque ferarum et nostri genetrix haec dicta
est
corporis una. Hanc veteres Graium docti cecinere poetae sedibus in curru
biiugos agitare
leones, aeris in spatio magnam pendere docentes tellurem neque posse in
terra sistere
terram.>>

(Therefore she is the Mother of the gods, the Mother of wild beasts, and
our creator. Of her the learned poets of Greece sang of a time when she
was drawn in a chariot by two yoked lions, meaning that the great earth
hangs in the middle of the air and earth cannot rest on earth)

Titus Lucretius Caro, De Rerum Natura, Liber II, vv. 598-604


As written in the official calendar of the Nova Roman festivals, from today
to April 10th there will be held games and celebrations. These Ludi are
dedicated to the Great
Mother, the Magna Mater of the mount Ida.
The Acus, the goddess' sacred black stone was brought from Pessinus, Phrygia
in Asia Minor, on the fourth day of Aprilis (204 BC) and temporarily placed
in the Aedes Victoriae.
Thirteen years lates, it was eventually housed in a new Sanctuary on the
Palatine hill. It was consecrated on April 10, 191 BC, and the Ludi Megalesia
were institued and
organized by the Aediles.

When the Magna Mater was first introduced to Rome, aristocratic families
formed sodalitates in honor of the Goddess. A practice rapidly developed
from these clubs in which patrician families held dinner parties [mutitationes]
for each other on the first night of the Ludi. Over time these banquets
became wildly elaborate and ostentatious.

Today, first day of the Megalesia, we remember the arrival of the simulacrum
of the Great Mother to Rome: probably a iron cone shaped meteorite. A delegation
of the most
important people of Rome, was waiting on the confluece of the Tiber with
the Almo rivers.
It is celebrated by games and theatrical performances. The celebration
lasts for seven days total. During these seven days, Cohors Aedilis Curulis
Marci Iulii
Perusiani will offer (see also at http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/ludi.html):

April 4th : Religious Celebration
Ludi Scaenici
Historical Contest 1

April 5th: Venationes
Munera Gladiatoria quarters
Historical Contest 2

April 6th: Ludi Circenses quarters
Munera Gladiatoria semifinals
Historical Contest 3

April 7th: Megalesia Cultural Award
Historical Contest 4

April 8th: Munera Gladiatora final
Ludi Circenses semifinals
Historical Contest 5

April 9th: Naumachiae
Historical Contest 6

April 10th: Ludi Circenses final
Historical Contest 7
Magna Mater Bulletin

According to the tradition, today, Pridie Nonas Aprilis annum 2757 a.U.c.,
I stand on the front of the Sanctuary of the Magna Mater. A sacrifice of
a moretum (a dish of herbs) is done. The sacerdos Matris Deum whispers a
formula into my ears and then I say "Romans, enjoy the celebratrions!"

valete
M IVL PERVSIANVS, Aedilis Curulis

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ENJOY THE LUDI MEGALESIA 2004 @
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/ludi.html

PLEASE GIVE TO THE MAGNA MATER PROJECT @
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/magnamater6.html
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21793 From: FAC Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Re: Ludi Megalensis, let's the festival begin!
Salvete Illustris Perusiane et Omnes,

I wish to everybody happy and exciting Megalesia Ludi.
As our Fathers prayed the Magna Mater for the victory against
Carthago, I pray the Goddess for a world of peace. And I invite you
all, Citizens, to take 5 minutes during the next week to pray the
Goddess.

About the festival, Perusiane, please take my congratulations for
the several and (they seem ;-) exciting games. The best way to
celebrate this great festival. I subscribed all the games and I
promise you a donation for the Magna Mater Project. I'll give you my
little sum during the next italian Meeting for the Rome's Birthday.

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senator


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, m_iulius@v... wrote:
> MM IVL PERVSIANVS QVIRITIBVS S.P.D.
>
> Ex Officio Curulis Aedilis Marci Iulii Perusiani
>
> <<Quare magna deum mater materque ferarum et nostri genetrix haec
dicta
> est
> corporis una. Hanc veteres Graium docti cecinere poetae sedibus in
curru
> biiugos agitare
> leones, aeris in spatio magnam pendere docentes tellurem neque
posse in
> terra sistere
> terram.>>
>
> (Therefore she is the Mother of the gods, the Mother of wild
beasts, and
> our creator. Of her the learned poets of Greece sang of a time
when she
> was drawn in a chariot by two yoked lions, meaning that the
great earth
> hangs in the middle of the air and earth cannot rest on earth)
>
> Titus Lucretius Caro, De Rerum Natura, Liber II, vv. 598-604
>
>
> As written in the official calendar of the Nova Roman festivals,
from today
> to April 10th there will be held games and celebrations. These
Ludi are
> dedicated to the Great
> Mother, the Magna Mater of the mount Ida.
> The Acus, the goddess' sacred black stone was brought from
Pessinus, Phrygia
> in Asia Minor, on the fourth day of Aprilis (204 BC) and
temporarily placed
> in the Aedes Victoriae.
> Thirteen years lates, it was eventually housed in a new Sanctuary
on the
> Palatine hill. It was consecrated on April 10, 191 BC, and the
Ludi Megalesia
> were institued and
> organized by the Aediles.
>
> When the Magna Mater was first introduced to Rome, aristocratic
families
> formed sodalitates in honor of the Goddess. A practice rapidly
developed
> from these clubs in which patrician families held dinner parties
[mutitationes]
> for each other on the first night of the Ludi. Over time these
banquets
> became wildly elaborate and ostentatious.
>
> Today, first day of the Megalesia, we remember the arrival of the
simulacrum
> of the Great Mother to Rome: probably a iron cone shaped
meteorite. A delegation
> of the most
> important people of Rome, was waiting on the confluece of the
Tiber with
> the Almo rivers.
> It is celebrated by games and theatrical performances. The
celebration
> lasts for seven days total. During these seven days, Cohors
Aedilis Curulis
> Marci Iulii
> Perusiani will offer (see also at
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/ludi.html):
>
> April 4th : Religious Celebration
> Ludi Scaenici
> Historical Contest 1
>
> April 5th: Venationes
> Munera Gladiatoria quarters
> Historical Contest 2
>
> April 6th: Ludi Circenses quarters
> Munera Gladiatoria semifinals
> Historical Contest 3
>
> April 7th: Megalesia Cultural Award
> Historical Contest 4
>
> April 8th: Munera Gladiatora final
> Ludi Circenses semifinals
> Historical Contest 5
>
> April 9th: Naumachiae
> Historical Contest 6
>
> April 10th: Ludi Circenses final
> Historical Contest 7
> Magna Mater Bulletin
>
> According to the tradition, today, Pridie Nonas Aprilis annum 2757
a.U.c.,
> I stand on the front of the Sanctuary of the Magna Mater. A
sacrifice of
> a moretum (a dish of herbs) is done. The sacerdos Matris Deum
whispers a
> formula into my ears and then I say "Romans, enjoy the
celebratrions!"
>
> valete
> M IVL PERVSIANVS, Aedilis Curulis
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> ENJOY THE LUDI MEGALESIA 2004 @
> http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/ludi.html
>
> PLEASE GIVE TO THE MAGNA MATER PROJECT @
> http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/magnamater6.html
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
--
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21794 From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Apology for not being more active
Gaius Modius Athanasius SPD

I would like to apologize to the citizens of our fine Republic for not being as active as I should be. My father if very sick, and just had a liver transplant about a month ago. He is currently at a specialized hospital about an hour and a half away from me, and even after having had the surgury a month ago he is still in surgical ICU (he gets better then worse again, back and forth). It has been very rough on me, and my family.

I am NOT going to resign as Tribune, and I am available if needed in my my capacity as Tribune, Flamen, and Augur. However, if I am slow to respond or if I don't participate in every discussion or debate on the main list please don't hold it against me :)

Valete;

Gaius Modius Athansius
Tribunus Plebis
Flamen Pomonalis et Augur
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21795 From: Sp. Fabia Vera Fausta Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Caerimonia of the Magna Mater
Let the Phyrgian rites commence!
The Septemvir and the Cururle Aedile Marcus Iulius Perusianus
followed by the chief heireia Vopisca Iulia Cocceia and heireia
Spuria Fabia Vera Fausta, clad in coloured Phyrgian robes and the
chief Gallos in purple with long hair and a golden crown, and the
nymph-like Galloi process into the temple and up to the altar of
Magna Mater with song "Khaireomen, o philoi - Rejoice o friends".

The offerings and sacrificial implements are carried around the
altar. Then, placing the statue of the Great Mother on a litter, with
singing and amphorae they process down the temple staircase to the
piazza, where there is a large fountain and basin, for the ritual
washing of the Mother. The water is sanctified, with smoldering wood
from the altar fire. The statue is rubbed with ask and bathed in the
lustral water. The attendants fill the jars to return to the front of
the temple where the hands of the worshippers are washed with lustral
water, which is sprinkled over the sacrificial heifer, the 'moretum'
offfering and the altar.

The chief Gallos whispers into the ear of Marcus Iulius Perusianus,
so as to make no mistakes, the words so he invites the gods: "Hear,
receiving the sacrifice and rejoicing in the rite. Hail children of
Jupiter! Grant lovely song and celebrate the holy race of the
deathless gods who are for ever."

The priestess Cocceia slowly and carefully recites the hymn in honour
of the Mother of the Gods, while the galloi and the priestesses sing
and play on drums and flutes and pipes:

"Sing to me, O Muse, clear-voiced daughter of great Zeus,
Of the mother of all gods and all men.
In the din of rattles and drums and in the sounds of pipes
she delights. In the howl of wolves and the roar of glaring
lions,
in resounding mountains and wooded glens she finds her joy.
Farewell! And you and all the godesses delight in my song."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21796 From: Sp. Fabia Vera Fausta Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Caerimonia of the Magna Mater Part 2
The chief Gallos: "To you, o blessed ones, we bring a libation and a
sacrifice, accept from us this sacrifice of all kinds of fruits,
poured out abundantly."

The participants scatter a few grains of wheat into the fire and
drops of lustral water on the unblemished heifer's head.

With the knife the aedile cuts a bit of hair from the heifer's
forehead and throws it into the fire, the heifer is tied gently to
the altar, her gentle mein shows she goes willingly. The vicimarii
stun the heifer and cut her throat, the blood spills on the altar
while the women ululate with shrill cries.

A portion of the offering is set aside for the gods by the chief
Gallos: "Come propitiously, blessed ones, and accept the delightful
offerings" and burned, the first and last for Vesta, then the Great
Mother, the rest is cooked and distributed among the people.

A portion of the offerings, moretum and wine are poured onto the fire.

They return into the sanctuary and close with the chief Gallos: "Let
us rejoice in the company of the gods!"

Worshippers: "Let us rejoice!"

All now sing "Ie Paion" and play their drums, flutes and cymbals...



The Pompa

The cult statue with the face of black stone is placed in a carriage
drawn by lions, this is placed on a litter and the Galloi bearing the
saving image of Cybele exit the temple and process down the Palatine
through the hills of Rome.

The atmosphere is incredible. The crowds line the streets to see the
litter of the Great Mother, the preserver of Rome. First, they hear
the thumping drums, then the clashing cymbals, skirling flutes and
the procession comes! The eunuch priests of Magna Mater are dancing,
throwing their long hair about. In their long bright dresses, with
the sun glinting on their earrings and bracelets and the immense
pectoral on their breast; they appear as from another world.

Exuding a perfume, some bear the litter others dance and beg coins
for the Great Mother. The priestesses howl, dance and drum wildly on
the tympana, the sound is thunder, the hollow cymbals resound, the
horns blast with raucous song, while the hollow pipes stimulate the
mind with their Phyrgian mode.

They all sing madly hymns to the Great Mother:
"O Mother of Dindymene, Mother of the gods, Great Idean Mother,
Phrygian Mother
Ancestral goddess whom we worship with ecstacy and song!
The Carthaginians were near,
but your holy statue was brought by the noblest men and
women to the city on the Tiber,
placed in the Temple of Victory, and you gave the
children of Aeneas victory!
The fruitful fields groaned from the heavy harvest of your
blessing. O Great protectress of Rome!"

In a shower of rose petals, the procession which all Rome has come to
see makes its way down the steps of the temple, the clivi, the hills,
to the Circus Maximus that the games may be viewed under the very
gaze of Magna Mater.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21797 From: Sp. Fabia Vera Fausta Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: fundraising for Magna Mater
Avete Quirites;
during this pompa I the sacerdos of the Matris deum come to you
asking for a small 2 euro, $2 dollar donation for the Magna Mater
Project.
why do I do this?
Ovid in his "Fasti" explains:

"Why said I, does the goddess collect money in small coins?
'the people contributed their coppers, with which Metellus built her
fane,' said she; 'hence the custom of giving small coin abides.'
Fasti, iv.350-353


It was this way that every Roman, great and small, built the temple
to house the glorious protector of ROme; in modern times we Nova
Romans can be part of this wondrous project. Please give your
contribution to your Legate, or at Roman Days, or at Segovia, or
Italii at the meeting the day of Rome's birth April 16,17,18th

Back to the past: Stipes ad Matris Magnae!

IO! Spuria Fabia Vera Fausta
sacerdos Matris deum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21798 From: Lucius Cassius Pontonius Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Re: Candidacy for Quaestor
Salve Fr. Apulus Caesar

In regards to your statement regarding the Online Gaming Clan, let me reassure all citizens that I used the RGF as an example of my dedication to even the smallest things I am involved in. I realize that there are vast differences between Nova Roma and the gaming group, but I hold each position to be just as important. RGF is not a role playing system, it is more a collection of people who have similar interests- in this case Star Wars gaming. Besides our internet "handles" we know each others real life names and form strong bonds of companionship. When I set out to accomplish a task, I do everything in my power to see that it gets accomplished, no matter whether it is in politics, business, or recreation. No disrespect towards Roma was intended and I hope that you consider me when the elections come around. It will be wonderful to get to know more citizens as time goes on, so don't be a stranger Fr Apulus.

With Respect,

Lucius Cassius Pontonius (Michael Ponte)
----- Original Message -----
From: FAC
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 11:32 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Candidacy for Quaestor


Salve Illustrus Pontonius,

first of all good luck for your candidacy. I don't know you but
your references and experiences impressed me.
However I have a question for you about the following statement:

> Besides being in Nova Roma, I am also the Executive Officer of
a
> Gaming Clan called "Rebel Ground Forces".
> http://www.darkjedi.org/club/RGF/ I am very proud of the work I
have
> done there and I am proud to say that every battalion, Brigade, or
> Division that I commanded was the best in the clan at the time I
was
> commander. I ask that anyone looking for a recommendation to my
> commitment to internet accessed communities go to the proud
members
> of RGF for references to my abilities and dedication.

Why we would ask references to the Illustris members of a war role-
game? I hope you are not comparing Nova Roma to a role-game and the
good abilities of a role-player to the diferent skills, duties and
abilities of an high Magistrate of our Res Publica. ;-)

In any way good luck.

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21799 From: asseri@aol.com Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Good news & Indiana egyptian greek/roman exhibit
Salvette,
This information that is passing along the net here in Indiana and I want to
be sure to pass it along .

Also I have had the good fortune to this week end finding a young family who
is very interested to start a NR group here in Fort Wayne, IN . We will
start in ernest this month.

Prima Fabia Drusila
Provincia Lacus Magni
Legatus Regionis Occidentalis
(Indiana, Illinois)
Egypt after Alexander:
Art under the Greeks and Romans
Indiana University Art Museum
March 27 - May 30, 2004

Bloomington, Indiana- The Indiana University Art Museum is pleased to
announce an upcoming exhibition entitled Egypt after Alexander: Art
under the Greeks and Romans beginning on March 27, 2004. More than
two hundred objects drawn from the IU Art Museum collections are
presented in this exhibition, most of them never displayed before.

Included are large Egyptian-style and Greek-style sculptures that are
keys to understanding the art of Egypt in Greek and Roman times; among
these are royal and private portraits in marble, basalt, granite, and
limestone. As important to our story, albeit on a smaller scale, are
coins with portraits of the Ptolemies; and a rare group of gem
portraits carved in a single Alexandrian workshop. Small sculptures in
bronze, stucco, terracotta, ivory, and faience, as well as examples
from our large jewelry collection, emphasize aspects of artistic
continuity and transformation.

The focus is on four themes: Portraiture and the Royal Cult explores
the use of the portrait by the Ptolemies and Roman emperors; Old
Gods, New Guises illustrates the transmutability of gods and how the
complex native religion shaped the Greco-Roman art of Egypt; Material,
Style, and Technique examines the unique aesthetic quality of the art
that resulted from the encounter between Egyptian and classical Greek
and Roman artistic traditions; and Funerary Art and Daily Life covers
burial customs from late pharaonic through early Christian times and
includes numerous examples from our large collection of ancient
jewelry as well as a recent gift of Egyptian papyri from the
Department of Classical Studies.

RELATED LECTURES:
MARCH 2004
March 26: Friday (5:30 - 6:30 p.m.)
Fine Arts 015 (Auditorium)
"Ancient Egyptomania: The Lure of Egypt in Greco-Roman Alexandria"
Marjorie Venit, Professor of Art History and Archaeology, University
of Maryland

This opening lecture is co-sponsored by the Indiana University Art
Museum, the Archaeological Institute of America-Central Indiana
Society, the Robert and Avis Burke Lecture Series in the History of
Art, the Department of Classical Studies, the Department of History,
the Department of Near Eastern Languages and Cultures, and the
Department of Religious Studies.

APRIL 2004

April 14: Wednesday Noon Talk (12:15 - 1:00 p.m.)
Special Exhibitions Gallery, IUAM
"Letters, Teachers, and Gods: Education in late Roman Alexandria","
Edward Watts, Assistant Professor, Department of History, Indiana
University

April 22: (6:00 - 7:00 p.m.) Robert and Avid Burke Lecture Series in
the History of Art
Fine Arts, Room Chemistry 001
"Art and Identity in Greco-Roman Egypt: Sculptures from Karanis in the
Fayoum", Elaine Gazda, Professor, Department of History of Art,
University of Michigan, Ann Arbor.

April 28: Wednesday Noon Talk (12:15 - 1:00 p.m.)
Special Exhibitions Gallery, IUAM
"Hellenistic and Roman Portraiture in Egypt," Julie Van Voorhis,
Assistant Professor, Department of History of Art, Indiana University

April 29 - evening lecture (7:00 - 8:00 p.m.)
Fine Arts, Room 102
"Mosaics of Alexandria: Old Friends and New Discoveries"
David Parrish, Professor of Art History,
Department of Visual and Performing Arts, Purdue University


MAY 2004

May 5: Wednesday Noon Talk (12:15 - 1:00 p.m.)
Special Exhibitions Gallery, IUAM
"What Was Gnosticism?" David Brakke, Assistant Professor, Department
of Religious Studies, Indiana University


May 19: Wednesday Noon Talk (12:15 - 1:00 p.m.)
Special Exhibitions Gallery, IUAM
"Precious Adornments: What Jewelry They Wore," Adriana Calinescu, the
Thomas T. Solley Curator of Ancient Art, Exhibition Organizer, Indiana
University Art Museum


Prima Fabia Drusila
Provincia Lacus Magni
Legatus Regionis Occidentalis
(Indiana ,Illinois)


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21800 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Answers of Prof. Poliseno
SALVETE QUIRITES!

I have ultimated the translation of Prof Poliseno's answers; I found
them really interesting, I hope you will enjoy them.
I've done my best to translate arguments where my competence is not
really high, so I hope to have done not so many mistakes! If so,
please forgive me...

As soon as possible, Senator Fr Ap Caesar will update the site; in a
few hours you can read the answers here:

http://www.novaroma.org/expert/feb04.htm

BENE VALETE
L IUL SULLA
Academia Italica
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21801 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Oblio
SALVETE OMNES

The haste let me forget to explain some topics: the answers are
about our past montly theme for the project "Interview the Expert",
Stoicism at Rome.

So, enjoy them!

VALETE
L IUL SULLA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21802 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Re: Apology for not being more active
Salve Tribune Gai Modi,

I send my prayers for your father's recovery and return to good
health. Thank you for letting us know your status and we are aware
that there can be nothing worse than health crisis for ourselves or
our families that can effect our daily routines and long term plans.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
> Gaius Modius Athanasius SPD
>
> I would like to apologize to the citizens of our fine Republic for
not being as active as I should be. My father if very sick, and
just had a liver transplant about a month ago. He is currently at a
specialized hospital about an hour and a half away from me, and even
after having had the surgury a month ago he is still in surgical ICU
(he gets better then worse again, back and forth). It has been very
rough on me, and my family.
>
> I am NOT going to resign as Tribune, and I am available if needed
in my my capacity as Tribune, Flamen, and Augur. However, if I am
slow to respond or if I don't participate in every discussion or
debate on the main list please don't hold it against me :)
>
> Valete;
>
> Gaius Modius Athansius
> Tribunus Plebis
> Flamen Pomonalis et Augur
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21803 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Nova Britannia Provincial Edictum
G. Lanius Falco Quiritibus S.P.D.



> Nova Britannia Edictum Propraetoricium IX -- IV Aprilis MMDCCLVII A.U.C.
>
> Nova Britannia Edictum Propraetoricium IX: Appointment of Provincial
> Magistrate.
>
>
> I. Citizen Lucius Cassius Pontonius is hereby appointed Scriba Propraetoris.
> He is asked to within one week, swear the public oath, using both his Nova
> Roman and macro-national name, as found at
> http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/1999-10-19-ii.html on both the main and Nova Britannia lists.
>
> II. This edictum is effective immediately. Given IV Aprilis, in the year of
> the Consulship of Gnaeus Salix Astur and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, MMDCCLVII
> A.U.C.
>
>
> Gaius Lanius Falco
> Propraetor Nova Britannia
> Praefectus Sodalitas Egressus
> Scriba Curatoris Differum
> Paterfamilias Gens Lania
>
> *********************************************************
>
>
> Edictum IX Propraetoris Novae Britanniae IV Aprilitis MMDCCLVII A.U.C.
> datum.
>
> De Creatione Magistrati.
>
>
> I. Cives Lucius Cassius Pontonius creatus est hinc Scriba Propraetoris.
> Poscitur ab eum, intra hebdomdem, iurare jurem iurandum publicum, et nomine Novae
> Romanae et nomine e genere ortum, apud
> http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/1999-10-19-ii.html, apud forum aranei Novae Romae et apud forum aranei
> Novae Britanniae.
>
>
> II. Edictum hoc statim proficiens est, ad diem IV Aprilitis MMDCCLVII A.U.C.
> datum, Gnaeo Salicio Asturo et Gnaeo Equitio Marino consulibus.
>
>
>
> Gaius Lanius Falco
> Propraetor Novae Britanniae
> Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressi
> Scriba Curatoris Differi
> Paterfamilias Gentis Laniae
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Horatia Minucia-Tiberia Caesar me fecit.
>


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21804 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Re: Ludi Megalensis, let's the festival begin!
ave Francisce amice,

thank you for the kind words! I hope to receive also at the end of
the Ludi ;-)
vale
M IVL PERVSIANVS

> About the festival, Perusiane, please take my congratulations for
> the several and (they seem ;-) exciting games. The best way to
> celebrate this great festival. I subscribed all the games and I
> promise you a donation for the Magna Mater Project. I'll give you
my
> little sum during the next italian Meeting for the Rome's Birthday.
>
> Vale
> Fr. Apulus Caesar
> Senator
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, m_iulius@v... wrote:
> > MM IVL PERVSIANVS QVIRITIBVS S.P.D.
> >
> > Ex Officio Curulis Aedilis Marci Iulii Perusiani
> >
> > <<Quare magna deum mater materque ferarum et nostri genetrix haec
> dicta
> > est
> > corporis una. Hanc veteres Graium docti cecinere poetae sedibus
in
> curru
> > biiugos agitare
> > leones, aeris in spatio magnam pendere docentes tellurem neque
> posse in
> > terra sistere
> > terram.>>
> >
> > (Therefore she is the Mother of the gods, the Mother of wild
> beasts, and
> > our creator. Of her the learned poets of Greece sang of a time
> when she
> > was drawn in a chariot by two yoked lions, meaning that the
> great earth
> > hangs in the middle of the air and earth cannot rest on earth)
> >
> > Titus Lucretius Caro, De Rerum Natura, Liber II, vv. 598-604
> >
> >
> > As written in the official calendar of the Nova Roman festivals,
> from today
> > to April 10th there will be held games and celebrations. These
> Ludi are
> > dedicated to the Great
> > Mother, the Magna Mater of the mount Ida.
> > The Acus, the goddess' sacred black stone was brought from
> Pessinus, Phrygia
> > in Asia Minor, on the fourth day of Aprilis (204 BC) and
> temporarily placed
> > in the Aedes Victoriae.
> > Thirteen years lates, it was eventually housed in a new Sanctuary
> on the
> > Palatine hill. It was consecrated on April 10, 191 BC, and the
> Ludi Megalesia
> > were institued and
> > organized by the Aediles.
> >
> > When the Magna Mater was first introduced to Rome, aristocratic
> families
> > formed sodalitates in honor of the Goddess. A practice rapidly
> developed
> > from these clubs in which patrician families held dinner parties
> [mutitationes]
> > for each other on the first night of the Ludi. Over time these
> banquets
> > became wildly elaborate and ostentatious.
> >
> > Today, first day of the Megalesia, we remember the arrival of the
> simulacrum
> > of the Great Mother to Rome: probably a iron cone shaped
> meteorite. A delegation
> > of the most
> > important people of Rome, was waiting on the confluece of the
> Tiber with
> > the Almo rivers.
> > It is celebrated by games and theatrical performances. The
> celebration
> > lasts for seven days total. During these seven days, Cohors
> Aedilis Curulis
> > Marci Iulii
> > Perusiani will offer (see also at
> http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/ludi.html):
> >
> > April 4th : Religious Celebration
> > Ludi Scaenici
> > Historical Contest 1
> >
> > April 5th: Venationes
> > Munera Gladiatoria quarters
> > Historical Contest 2
> >
> > April 6th: Ludi Circenses quarters
> > Munera Gladiatoria semifinals
> > Historical Contest 3
> >
> > April 7th: Megalesia Cultural Award
> > Historical Contest 4
> >
> > April 8th: Munera Gladiatora final
> > Ludi Circenses semifinals
> > Historical Contest 5
> >
> > April 9th: Naumachiae
> > Historical Contest 6
> >
> > April 10th: Ludi Circenses final
> > Historical Contest 7
> > Magna Mater Bulletin
> >
> > According to the tradition, today, Pridie Nonas Aprilis annum
2757
> a.U.c.,
> > I stand on the front of the Sanctuary of the Magna Mater. A
> sacrifice of
> > a moretum (a dish of herbs) is done. The sacerdos Matris Deum
> whispers a
> > formula into my ears and then I say "Romans, enjoy the
> celebratrions!"
> >
> > valete
> > M IVL PERVSIANVS, Aedilis Curulis
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
-
> --
> > ENJOY THE LUDI MEGALESIA 2004 @
> > http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/ludi.html
> >
> > PLEASE GIVE TO THE MAGNA MATER PROJECT @
> > http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/magnamater6.html
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
-
> --
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21805 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Magna Mater Historical Contest Quiz n°1
SALVETE QUIRITES!

Today started Ludi Megalesia organized by Aedilis M Iul Perusianus
and his Cohors.

Here follows the first question for the Historical Contest with some
quiz.

Quiz n°1-In which date did Ludi Megalesia have been held in Rome for
the first time, as for the tradition? Who were them dedicated to?
How was called the procession, when the statue of the goddess was
brought to Rome?


All your answers have to be posted here:
mm_quiz@...

BENE VALETE
L IUL SULLA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21806 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Re: Apology for not being more active
Salve Quirites, et salve Gai Modi,

AthanasiosofSpfd@... wrote:

[about his father's illness, and the consequent time pressure he's
dealing with]

That's completely understandable, and I hope nobody in Nova Roma thinks
the less of you for tending first to family responsibilities. You've
certainly been an active and effective Tribune so far this year, and I
expect you will continue to serve the Republic well.

I sincerely hope for your father's full recovery, and for strength and
fortitude for you and all of your family who've been through this
difficult time.

Quirites, please hold Gaius Modius, his father, and all of his family in
your prayers and meditations.

Valete,

Gn. Equitius Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21807 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Ludi Scaenici
M IVL PERVSIANVS QVIRITIBVS SPD

People of Rome,
it's a honour for me to present the Ludi Scaenici held in the very
first day of the Ludi Megalensis.

My deepest thankfulness to my colleague, the Honorable Gaius Iulius
Scaurus, and his Cohors for having entirely organized and hosted this
event.

You can find the play by P. Terentius Afer, The Eunuch, on both these
two address:

http://canadaoccidentalis.org/cohors_aedilis/Eunuchus.html

http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/m_scenici.html

So, Cives, let's go all together to the steps of the Temple of Cybele
and sit there. The show begins!

valete
M IVL PERVSIANVS, Aedilis Curulis
---------------------------------------------------------------------
ENJOY THE LUDI MEGALESIA 2004 @
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/ludi.html

PLEASE GIVE TO THE MAGNA MATER PROJECT @
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/magnamater6.html
---------------------------------------------------------------------
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21808 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Re: Apology for not being more active
Salve Illustris Gaius Modius Athanasius, Amice!

I understand your situation only too well. I am sure that all of us
will excuse any time You need for your family and father. We will
patienly wait for You to come back to a more active level when the
time is right! I will include your father, your family and Yourself
in my prayers.

>Gaius Modius Athanasius SPD
>
>I would like to apologize to the citizens of our fine Republic for
>not being as active as I should be. My father if very sick, and
>just had a liver transplant about a month ago. He is currently at a
>specialized hospital about an hour and a half away from me, and even
>after having had the surgury a month ago he is still in surgical ICU
>(he gets better then worse again, back and forth). It has been very
>rough on me, and my family.
>
>I am NOT going to resign as Tribune, and I am available if needed in
>my my capacity as Tribune, Flamen, and Augur. However, if I am slow
>to respond or if I don't participate in every discussion or debate
>on the main list please don't hold it against me :)
>
>Valete;
>
>Gaius Modius Athansius
>Tribunus Plebis
>Flamen Pomonalis et Augur

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21809 From: Sp. Fabia Vera Fausta Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Re: Apology for not being more active
Salve Gai Modi;
I'm sure all the plebs feel as I do and wish you and your father
only the best, please return at your own time, you are in my thoughts
and prayers,
bene vale Sp.Fabia Vera Fausta
>

Quirites, please hold Gaius Modius, his father, and all of his family
in
> your prayers and meditations.
>
> Valete,
>
> Gn. Equitius Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21810 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Re: Apology for not being more active
Salve,

Absolutely no apology neccessary. You have my prayers of support for
you to have the strength to deal with your father's serious illness
as well as my prayers for your father's recovery.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
> Gaius Modius Athanasius SPD
>
> I would like to apologize to the citizens of our fine Republic for
not being as active as I should be. My father if very sick, and just
had a liver transplant about a month ago. He is currently at a
specialized hospital about an hour and a half away from me, and even
after having had the surgury a month ago he is still in surgical ICU
(he gets better then worse again, back and forth). It has been very
rough on me, and my family.
>
> I am NOT going to resign as Tribune, and I am available if needed in
my my capacity as Tribune, Flamen, and Augur. However, if I am slow
to respond or if I don't participate in every discussion or debate on
the main list please don't hold it against me :)
>
> Valete;
>
> Gaius Modius Athansius
> Tribunus Plebis
> Flamen Pomonalis et Augur
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21811 From: Lucius Cassius Pontonius Date: 2004-04-04
Subject: Oath of Office (Scriba Propraetoris of Nova Britannia)
I, Michael Ponte- Lucius Cassius Pontonius, do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Michael Ponte-Lucius Cassius Pontonius, swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Michael Ponte-Lucius Cassius Pontonius swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Michael Ponte-Lucius Cassius Pontonius swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Michael Ponte-Lucius Cassius Pontonius further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Scriba Propraetoris of Nova Britannia to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Scriba Propraetoris of Nova Britannia and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Lucius Cassius Pontonius (Michael Ponte)

Scriba Propraetoris of Nova Britannia


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21812 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Nonae Aprilis -- Feria Megalesiae
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is Nonae Aprilis, Feria Fortunae Publicae, and Feria Meglaesiae;
the day is nefastus. On this day the Rex Sacrorum would announce the
regular fixed feriae of the month on the Nonae by edictum. The Nonae
were sacred to Iuno Covella and the Regina Sacrorum sacrificed to Iuno
at the Regia. The Feria Fortunae Publicae honoured the establishment
of the Temple of Fortuna Publica. The Feria Megalesiae continued.
The Feria Fortunae Publicae celebrated the dedication of the temple of
Fortuna Publica on the Quirinal.

Tomorrow is ante diem VIII Idus Aprilis and the Feria Megalesiae; the
day is nefastus. The Feria Megalesiae continued.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21813 From: Diana Octavia Aventina Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Re: Apology for not being more active
Salve G Modius,

<(he gets better then worse again, back <and forth). It has been very rough on me, and my family.

Don't forget to take care of your own mental and physical health. Months of stress is not good for
anyone. So don't give yourself anymore stress by worrying about NR-- everyone understands if you
don't answer every email. And as I've said offlist to you more than once, I pray that your father
recovers after this long illness and that you and your family remain strong during the stressful
situation.

Vale,
Diana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21814 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Re: Apology for not being more active
Salve, Excellent Tribune, God-Like Flaminem, Illustrious Augur,

The religio and moral of the romans put the family in the top of
everything, specially the father. So, don´t allow anything be in
front of caring of him. From the father the romans received their
lares, their domestic fire, their inner religio, their patria, their
gens, their life and their gods. Caring about the health of the
parents are surely a better worship than any hecatombe.

While we see on World so many sons forgetting their parents on
geriatric ´asylums´, just awaiting them to die fast, sure a few of
the ancient roman virtues would make lots of difference nowadays. The
gods do not hear people that forget their old parents. The filial
love is the best signal of the serious practitioner of the religio
romana... like we all know you are mostly.

Vale bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus TRP


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Diana Octavia Aventina
<sacerdosveneris@y...> wrote:
> Salve G Modius,
>
> <(he gets better then worse again, back <and forth). It has been
very rough on me, and my family.
>
> Don't forget to take care of your own mental and physical health.
Months of stress is not good for
> anyone. So don't give yourself anymore stress by worrying about NR--
everyone understands if you
> don't answer every email. And as I've said offlist to you more than
once, I pray that your father
> recovers after this long illness and that you and your family
remain strong during the stressful
> situation.
>
> Vale,
> Diana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21815 From: Pompeia Cornelia Strabo Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: FW: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA QUARTER FINALS
>From: "Pompeia Cornelia Strabo" <scriba_forum@...>
>To: Scriba_forum@..., m_iulius@...
>Subject: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA QUARTER FINALS
>Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 11:24:30 +0000
>
>AMICII, ROMANI, PEREGRINI!!!!
>
>
>
>The spectacle for which all of Rome and Friends of the Republic have long
>awaited, is now ready to get underway!
>
>THE LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA IS UPON US!!!!!!
>
>TODAY WE PRESENT THE QUARTER FINALS!!!
>
>The gladiators are ready to define the word 'action' in a manner totally
>unprecedented!!!!
>
>
>Without further adieu, let us recap the types of gladiators who will
>entertain us in this spectacle.... all of whom, win or lose, play a large
>role in the success of today's event!:
>
>
>
>RETIARIUS: His weapon is the net, the trident and a dagger. His
>defenses are a protection of arm (manica), that includes the
>shoulder.
>
>THRAEX: His weapon is a curved sword (sicca). His defenses are a
>closed hull, the crest of the hull has the shape of faucet, a
>quadrangular small shield (parmula), long metallic shin pads up to
>the thigh and protection in the right arm.
>
>SECUTOR: His weapon is a short sword (gladius). His defenses are a
>closed smooth hull, rectangular big shield (scutum), protection in
>right arm and legs. Normally, his fighting is against Retariae Glads.
>
>DIMACHAERUS: His weapons are two curved swords (siccae). His
>defenses are protections in arms and legs.
>
>
>And now the action begins!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>PAIR ONE ENTER THE ARENA
>
>Ansus, a Dimachaerus fighter sponsored by Gnaeus Salix Galaicus
>vs.
>Cicero, a Tharex glad, an entry of citizen Aulus Ambrosius
>
>
>. Yooouuuuuuwwwww...the two butt heads like a pair of hungry bulls, right
>from the word 'GO"...it is like they are both 'wound up' like toys and they
>were let go at the same time!! Ansus has lost his curved sword. It is now
>broken and decorating the ground, thanks to a skillful hit from Cicero's
>Parmula. Cicero steps toward Ansus, closer, and is ready to finish him
>off. What a quick but intense contest...all it took was one mistake and
>Ansus made it.
>
>Cicero raises his sword and looks up to the audience! After such equally
>brave and intensive fighting the crowd is cheering for clementia for
>Ansus!! The people of Rome are good! Ansus shall see the dawning of a new
>day!
>
>Both fighters are cheered ...Cicero is getting a few loud "aves" for being
>the victor. Both fighters wave to the crowd and exit the arena.
>
>What a short but intense start for today's ludi!!!
>
>
>OUR SECOND SPECTACLE IS ABOUT TO BEGIN!!
>
>
>Our two Glads enter the arena and raise their hands to the crowd:
>
>Tylusius, of Retiarius persuation, sponsored by Tiberius Annaeus Otho
>vs.
>Sextus Cornelius Balbus, a Dimachaerus, by none other than his kinsmen
>Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
>
>WHAT'S THIS??? Oh the Cornelia contingent has hired some street rappers
>from the subura to introduce its fighter...they are chanting, tormenting
>Tylusius and our dear translator Tiberius Otho:
>
>"Tylusius' gluteus is gonna be grass"
>Cornelius' crew gonna clean ya of yo cash"..... OVER and OVER AGAIN!!!!
>
>EVER LOUD AND RUDE EHH? !!!!!
>
>....AND .....Cornelia is considered such a meek and gentle familia by
>nature...never a 'word'....goooo figggure :)
>
>
>
>The fighting ensues:
>
>The two fighters fiercely engage in ...and here it comes: Tylusius
>has caught Balbus, with just one sword now, tangled into the net. Balbus
>tries to hit with his sword, but Tylusius' arm is well protected
>against the hits made by trapped warrior. Tylusius tries to hit hard
>with his trident, but misses Balbus who dives to the ground...quick...it's
>as if the sand was water, and he was a fish with gleaming scales! But in
>reality, this glad is a 'fish out of water'!! hee hee. Tylusius' trident
>brakes into pieces as it hits the stone
>wall of the spina, but this is only a minor comfort for Balbus who
>has noticed that he cannot dive too deep to the sand and has managed
>to get himself only more badly mixed to the net. Balbus raises his
>hand begging for mercy and Tylusius looks to the audience: this
>tme there is no mercy from the audience (maybe they don't like rap music?)
>and a devastated Balbus
>kneels to the ground, Tylusius steps closer with his dagger in
>hand, looks Balbus in the eyes and Balbus nods to him. Tylusius now
>raises his hand and grabs Balbus' head, positioning it closer to his knife.
>The blade is carefully positioned to the thick veins of Balbuses
>neck. Tylusius once more looks to the audience, but the decision is
>made and the audience is sitting still, not a sound in the air. Then
>there is a grim expression in Tylusius' face and the dagger violently
>thursts deep to the neck of Balbus. A silent moment lasting forever
>is spent watching the spirit of life leaving Balbus and his body
>slowly falls down to the sand. Tylusius stands silently, then throws
>his hands in the air and the crowd starts cheering wildly.
>
>The potential price of tangling in the arena is not underestimated by any
>serious gladiator.
>
>
>AND NOW, OUR THIRD SPECTACLE.....
>
>The two fighters enter the arena:
>
>Cunorix (Tharex glad) sponsored by the beautiful, talented, resourceful
>and intelligent Septima Fabia Vera Fausta (AND.....'what' redhead
>'isn't'...hmmm?)
>
>Listen, I"m writing the script and I'm saying that redheads 'are'
>beautiful, talented resourceful and intelligent, OwwwwKaaaaay???
>
>
>vs.
>Atticus (Dimachaerus glad) by Aulus Ambrosius
>
>The encounter begins.......
>
> Both fighters are small and
>agile... The fighters are moving so fast that it is hard to keep
>track of them, but now it seems that there is something conclusive
>happening: Cunorix loses his beautifully painted shield by a skilful
>double-hit from the swords of Atticus, those Greeks are sometimes
>devilishly clever in fast moves like that! Now Cunorix has an
>impossible task ahead of him, to fight with one sword against two,
>the crowd understands that this can end only in one way, everyone's
>holding their breath and prepare to let the brave Cunorix alive
>from the arena.
>Now it comes!!! Cunorix loses his sword and is now
>weaponless against Atticus' two evil looking blades. Atticus slows
>down and is prepared to ask from the audience what he should do, but
>then Cunorix takes fast steps forward and throws himself to the
>blade of Atticus' sword. Cunorix was fierce to the end, and crowd
>unceasingly
>cheers his courage.
>
>AND...OUR LAST ENCOUNTER OF THE DAY FOR THIS LUDI QUARTERFINALS
>
>
>The fourth pair enters the ring:
>Meet Cunovinda (Retiarius) by once again sponsor, the beautiful,
>resourceful Septima Fabia Vera Fausta..... Po scratches head and thinks to
>herself, pondering Fabia's action: .my dear, ahh, hon...you like ...just
>lost a pile of dough here....I hope you have this all figured out in your,
>ahh, 'normally usual' efficient manner
>
>(Po bites tongue and shreaks)
>
>Cunovinda will take on
>
>
>Orm R�de (Secutor) by Titus Octavius Pius
>
>Crowds of girlies cheer this sponsor, the former webmaster and renown Thule
>heartthrob....'some' women just don't know how to behave in
>public...honestly.....
>
>
>
>Here we have pretty peculiar
>fighters, should we laugh to them or what?! Orm R�de: A huge
>viking warrior with red hair and beard, foaming around the mouth
>from his berserk rage. (That should teach him to stay off red and
>white fungi, neh?)
>Ahh, forget what I implied about 'all' redheads...
>just forget it, ok?
>
>Trouble is, he is a bit 'too berserk', too uncoordinated... does he know
>what planet he's on??? .Cunovinda's got him netted and daggered spelling
>the end of him
>
>(Fabia Vera wipes the sweat from her brow)
>
>
>From an 'inside scoop' of gossip,
>we have heard that in the backstage of the Circus the shamanic
>Lapplanders brought from North of Thule have given Orm R�de some
>mushrooms which have made him, if not well, then at least alive
>again. While leaving the Circus he is said to have beaten some
>people into unrecognisable condition to work out his frustration of
>having lost a fight of his life for some woman warrior from the British
>Isles. When Orm's family hears about this, there might by some
>Viking invasions coming to the Isles near centuries, beware!!!!
>
>Let's hope the Propraetor of Thule has his armies on Yellow Alert!!
>
>AND THERE YOU HAVE IT...THE QUARTERFINALS MEGALESIA MUNERA
>GLADIATORIA!!!!!
>
>PLEASE KEEP POSTED FOR THE SEMIFINALS AND FINALS COMING SOON!
>

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21816 From: mm_quiz Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Magna Mater Historical Contest
SALVETE OMNES

We have received the first answers for the Historical Contest of
Ludi Megalesia. Hurry up! The terms for the first questions will
expire today at 7 PM (Roman time).
This is the email address where you can send your answers:
mm_quiz AT yahoo DOT com.

The first question is:
1- In which date did Ludi Megalesia have been held in Rome for
the first time, as for the tradition? Who were them dedicated to?
How was called the procession, when the statue of the goddess was
brought to Rome?

BENE VALETE!
L IUL SULLA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21817 From: romanusdiogenes Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Salve, All,

This is addressed to anyone who may be concerned. I hope I'm not
being impatient but I applied for citizenship about two months ago
and have had no indication of where my application is, presently, in
the "Palatine," so to speak. I did all the things as indicated at
the on line site of Nova Roma. I picked a name, and I sent an email
to the proper paterfamilias. He replied that he'd get back to me
when he got word from the Censors, or whoever handles citizenship
applications. I know I got an email saying it would take a while,
but I was just wondering. Can anybody direct me or fill me in on
this?

Vale,
K. B. Charles (prospectively Lucius Scipio Barbatus)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21818 From: Stuart Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Cohors II starting in Arvada, CO
My name is Stuart Lawrence from Arvada, CO. I have been given
permission to recruit legionaries for Cohors II of Legio II Traiana
Fortis (Trajan's Strong Legion).

Anyone living in Colorado that would be interested, please contact me
at 1-800-861-1968, pin 63, 303-465-2608 or histmaj_50@....

Thanks.

Stuart Lawrence
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21819 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Salve,

romanusdiogenes wrote:

> This is addressed to anyone who may be concerned. I hope I'm not
> being impatient but I applied for citizenship about two months ago

I've cc'd the Censors in this reply to you, so with any luck you should
get an answer from them very soon. My guess is that there's been a
breakdown in communications between your prospective paterfamilias and
the Censors.

Vale,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21820 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Re: Resignation
Salvete Quirites, et salve Corde,

A. Apollonius Cordus wrote:

> Another thing which might help is reviving the
> historical practice whereby every magistrate swore an
> oath not only on taking office (to uphold the laws
> &c.) but also on leaving office (that he had upheld
> the laws &c.).

This might help, yes. I did something like this last December, when I
finished my year as Curule Aedile. (Though I did not actually swear a
valedictory oath.)

Of course, it could make for an even more full e-mail box there at the
turning of the year, as people now had not only the oaths of all the new
magistrates, but also all of the old. But it's worth considering.

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21821 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Salve Luci Scipi

Your citizen application is still holding, awaiting the paterfamilias'
permission. This is the first step that must be taken on your road to
citizenship. May I recommend that you write your paterfamilias and issue a
gentle reminder? The censors can do nothing before approval is given.

---
cura ut valeas,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
|||| Scriba Censorem

-----Original Message-----
From: romanusdiogenes [mailto:romanusdiogenes@...]
Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 5:20 AM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient


Salve, All,

This is addressed to anyone who may be concerned. I hope I'm not
being impatient but I applied for citizenship about two months ago
and have had no indication of where my application is, presently, in
the "Palatine," so to speak. I did all the things as indicated at
the on line site of Nova Roma. I picked a name, and I sent an email
to the proper paterfamilias. He replied that he'd get back to me
when he got word from the Censors, or whoever handles citizenship
applications. I know I got an email saying it would take a while,
but I was just wondering. Can anybody direct me or fill me in on
this?

Vale,
K. B. Charles (prospectively Lucius Scipio Barbatus)




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21822 From: Pompeia Cornelia Strabo Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: LUDI MEGALESIA VENATIONES
** CITIZENS OF ROME
**

Once again, in honour of the Magna Mater, and in celebration of our Glorious
Republic, the Curule Aediles present:

*************************** LUDI MEGALESIA VENATIONES
*************************
********************************************************************************

__________________________________________________________________________________


Today we will see wild beats fight it out amongst themselves or with a
gladiator. Animals from around the globe will fight and demonstrate
supremecy. Beasts caught and captured. Beasts who were discovered to have
icy temperaments and a compulsion for battle, beyond what is normally
considered dangerous. They will have their fill. And their danger to
humanity will be atleast limited.

To begin, a brief description of the fighter and animals who will
participate in the spectacles which follow:

Dimachaerus: a warrior who wields two curved swords (siccae) in his fight
for victory. His defences are protective gear to his arms and legs

Lion: An African beast of very bad temperament, always hungry. Its bite is
mortal and its claws are atleast a sharp threat to mortality.

Leopard: This animal is more skilful and beautiful in many ways than the
lion, although it possesses the same character. It has equal or greater
feline agility in conquering its prey.

Wild Boar: A pure force of the forest. It it gets angry, nobody can call
himself 'safe'. Its fangs equal lethal trickery.

Bear: This animal fasts for months while it hibernates. It awakes with an
enormous hunger, and is quick to make breakfast of the sweaty meat of hungry
gladiators!

Tiger: .....is obcessed with eating people. Stronger and hungrier than the
lion, but...alas, he is afraid of the wild boar

Rhinoceros: A huge spontaneous attacker, and so unpredictable... making him
very dangerous


________________________________________________________________________________

DESCRIPTIONS SENT IN BY THE LUDI PLAYERS

Otto Mesikammen: An angry bear from the Finnish forests

Arabicus: 'gratatio pendolorum' A warrior born in Luxor and living in the
Egyptian Sinai Desert

Ruoholahden Leijona: We have an inside 'scoop' of info that if this animal
is killed the judges may find out he's actually a lynx masked as a
lion......ok.....whatever!

En Svensk Tiger: A fierce tiger with blue and yellow stripes (yes you read
it right!) known to keep its country safe in times of need....how do ya like
that, a Nationalistic Tiger.....hey, he keeps that country safe he'll have a
lifetime's supply of meat, no wonder he loves these people!!!!!
I'd keep you safe too!

AND NOW...LET THE VENATIONES COMMENCE

OUR FIRST UP TO BATTLE:

Felix, a leopard, beast of citizen Tiberius Annaeus Otho
vs. Bheithir, a wild boar, courtesy of Merlinia Ambrosia Artori

Felix doesn't possess the fear of wild boars that tigers have, and this is
showing in his quick approach of Merlinia's boar. Felix, nimble and quick
punts the side of the wild boar ripping a formidable gash. It appears
Bheithir was trying a headfirst approach on Felix, but the cat sidestepped
him and ripped a decoration of his side. The boar is bleeding, but for the
moment is not relenting. Ouch. A mistake by Felix...he stuck his left
front paw in the boars mouth and man, is he yelping. The boar doesn't get a
tight enough grip, suprisingly.....oh so surprisingly, Felix manages to get
free. Both animals are wounded and dangerous. Bheither's side wound is
catching up with him, and he begins to stagger from blood loss...Felix is
more 'mad' than 'hurt' at this point, and proves it by proceeding to maul
our pig friend to hamburger!

Merlinia couldn't even cook what's left !! Bheithir is 'chow', and Felix
the leopard is the victor in this one.

UP NEXT

WHAT'S THIS? OH WHAT IS THIS? MERLININA WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?
MERLINIA IS PERSONALLY LEADING ANOTHER ANIMAL INTO THE ARENA FOR THE SECOND
ENCOUNTER......

"Twinkletoes" yes, you* are* reading this right. A Rhinoceros to the rest
of humanity, but to our Merlinia this is Twinkletoes....bedecked with a
laurel wreath with gold trim, and rhinestones (The rhinestone rhino?) on his
(her?), neck, tail and all fours almost up to her trunk. And, And, what
looks like a garment wrapped like a toga so it won't hang around its trunk.
And I must mention the monogram of the
garment..Twinkletoes.......ooooookaaaaayyyy...........whatevah....its 'all'
good :)

Who is Twink gonna fight?

Ignatius...a tiger of Gnaeus Salix Galaicus

The fighting ensues.....

The tiger fast approaches Twink, who is a bit slow to move, but manages to
drive Ignatius in the head with a mediocre punt and veers off to the side.
The two meet head first for some punchy stuff....suddenly Ignatius is
dazed...he's turning in all directions, and starts backing off,
retreating...something is disturbing this animal. The sun is shining
directly on the rhinestones and deflecting beams of light into the tigers
eyes....yes, he seems to be evading these incredible and blinging rays which
are interferring with his attack. Ignatius runs headlong....into the
northend pedestal of spectator's seats in the arena.....he's just about sent
himself to another dimension.

Twinkletoes is standing there like a fashion statement contemplating what to
do....the rhino starts to move slowly (hey, take your time, its only a
fight to the death, right?)..maybe he's blinded by his own ornaments too,
who knows. The tiger is mad....he sees nothing but light but he's mad. By
fate, he's lowered his head, and managed to run toward Tinkletoes, dive
under him and sink some serious teeth into his gut, or well, thereabouts.
Not a fatal wound, but one that has left Twink hurting.

In a usual spontaneous fashion (that is when they want to), the Rhino sits
on our tiger and begins to literally 'remove' his gluteus, working his way
upward.

It is only a matter of time.....alas, Twinkletoes has managed to relieve
Ignatius of his Vital Signs. What a twist of fate!!! The way that Rhino was
just standing there....I thought he'd be reduced to members the size of his
rhinestones....ahh ya never know with these venationes!

OUR THIRD CONTEST

We present Otto Mesikammon, or (Otto the Honey Handed), a bear offered by
Caius Curius Saturninus
HEY, THIS HAS GOT TO BE THULE'S ANSWER TO WINNIE THE POOH!!
vs.
Arabicus, a homosapien, nonetheless, a Dimachaerus gladiator sponsored by
Senator Franciscus Apulus Caesar

Otto, fresh out of hibernation, is not about to greet Arabicus like Winnie
the Pooh would say hello to Christopher Robin. Arabicus dances like Tigger
with his two rounded swords...the bear is growling and ragin....and
hungry!!!! He approaches Arabicus, who is egging him on....he's got his
blades positioned in hopes of delivering a couple of swift backhand thrusts
to the bears neck.

NOOOOOO

He didn't back off to the side in time, and one blade is knocked clear out
of our glad's hand, and is, well, somewhere. The bear is attacking from
this unarmed side, and has made a couple of nasty connections to Arabicus'
chest. Arabicus moves in his armed hand to attempt to jab the bear away.
His punches were weak, and the bear now has him by the arm, and protected or
not, he is biting hard. Arabicus' chest is bleeding. Arabicus staggers and
falls, and the bear is proceeding to have next to no mercy on him.

Unfortunate to say, but our glad has succumbed to the very hungry and not so
friendly bear, Otto Mesikammon.

THE FOURTH CONTEST

Ruolahden Leijona (the lion of Puoholahti) is led into the arena. Our
feline contender is owned by Emilia Curia Finnica, Plebian Aedile!
To face:
En Svensk Tiger, another brutal cat, owned by Titus Octavius Pius

Feline against Feline....let the contest begin! The two cats encircle
eachother for a spell in the arena, snarling and hissing...the both 'want'
this territory in the worst way....the crowd waits to see which beast will
make the first move. At the sight, it appears, of the shadow of the lion's
tail, our tiger goes lunicidal and thrusts toward Ruolahden. Not without
resistence. The tiger is greated with a large lion's paw to the face, the
favour is returned. The encounter is more than a facial gesture!
The tiger is on top of the lion, no, the lion is now on top of the
tiger...or suffice it to say people that they are just spinning around the
arena sand, swipping at one another, making one another less and less
recognizable. The lion tries to wrestle away from the tiger, perhaps to
regain another vantage of attack, but he is just not quick enough. The
agility of the tiger is such that our maned friend, is continuing to be
maimed.

Not without a few chunks out of him, En Svensk is the victor, with Ruloahden
Leijona succumbing to the hyperagression of the tiger.

IN A FEW MOMENTS, WE WILL RETURN TO GIVE YOU THE SEMIFINALS OF THE LUDI
MEGALESIA VENATIONES
________________________________________________________________________________

WE ARE BACK ...FOR THE SEMIFINALS OF THE VENATIONES!!!!

Our first encounter of the Semi's:

We have Felix the Leopard, owned by Tiberius Annaeus Otho,
duking
Twinkletoes, all bedecked in her rhinestone specs...hmm, we 'think' they
might have been responsible for Twinks victory, but can't be sure. Felix
killed Merlinia's boar...lets see how this contest fairs.

The encounter begins....our rhino approaches Felix and looks like ....oh
no...Twink got a chunk of his right paw, and has arrested Felix by falling
on him. Felix is squirming under the rhino, but is face down so he can't
connect with those hungry teeth. Twinkletoes appears on top of the leopard,
but does not appear his/herself? The rhino looks weak and is dazed. The
rhino collapses upon her captive and is....well...dead.

Merlinia's in tears!!! It would seem she underestimated the extent of her
pet's injuries from the last battle. She hesitated to reenter Twinkletoes,
but against her better judgement went ahead, and unfortunately, to realize a
very negative outcome. Friends and familia are leading a very heartsick
Merlina home to grieve her losses.

So if you're attending Roman Days this year, be sure to give Merlinia lots
of love :)

Felix advances to the finals!!!!!

THE SECOND ENCOUNTER

Otto the Honey Bear, Thule's Winnie the Pooh.....and he is licking his
paws.....his owner C. Curius Saturninus has given him all the honey this
bear can eat for his winning performance against Gladiator Arabicus!
Saturninus rushes in to goop some more honey on his paws before the
encounter begins.

He will face En Svensk Tiger, beast of Titus Octavius Pius...

Oh, Winnie's not quick enough...too busy lickin those paws....Saturninus
realizes now that giving his beast a second goop of honey was a
mistake....he sees the tiger approaching too late, and the tiger has bitten
his paw and has made several swipes, well, .....ahh, let's just say, were
you 'least' want swipes with large claws to be made???? Otto is wincing,
and bleeding, and weakening.

Our tiger En Svensk, though he's clearly got the best of Otto of Thule, is
starting to act 'weird'....his fur is dripping with sweat, he is short of
breath, and is shaking. With the bear arrested by ludi staff, the trainers
come to take a look at En Svensk and his curiously and radically changed
behaviour. The diagnosis? Anaphylaxis....acute shock, they 'think' due to
an allergy of honey!

Caius Curius wipes the sweat from his brow....his winnie's in rough shape
but it looks like with a bit of tender loving care, he'll be ok.

HOWEVER, THE JUDGES HAVE DECLARED TO EN SVENSK to be the lead fighter in
this contest, and therefore the victor. En Svensk advances to the finals,
which will occur momentarily.

________________________________________________________________________________

AND NOW, THE FINAL CONTEST IN THE LUDI MEGALESIA VENATIONES.....!!!!!!!

Felix, Leopard of Tiberius Annaeus Otho vs
En Svensk the Tiger of Titus Octavius Pius

It doesn't take much stretch of the imagination to predict the outcome of
this one. En Svensk is being entered in this contest, and, thanks to a shot
of Epinephrine, appears to havecome around some from his bout of allergy
with the honey, but still... this, coupled with the injuries sustained, plus
the fact that Felix is a bit more rested....it doesn't look good.

And good it isn't...our tiger just isn't quick enough for the extremely
agile leopard. Felix, mind you, is still bearing the brunt of being 'sat
on' by twinkletoes more or less, but doesn't seem too worse for wear. They
attack eachother in feline fashion with claws and teeth, but Felix has the
superior speed and prowess. The tiger is weakening. The crowd is silent
during the incessant loud roars of two angry bloodthirsty supercats. The
time is come. Our Blue and Yellow Nationalistic Tiger has failed to be....

HE'S DEAD, OK????? :)

AND FELIX THE LEOPARD, OF TIBERIUS ANNAEUS OTHO IS DECLARED VICTOR OF THE
LUDI MEGALESA VENATIONE

The crowd cheers in congratulations...many friends and familia are greeting
Otho and hugging him
(and with that Pepsodent smile wouldn't you hug him too, girls?...)

PLEASE STAY POSTED THOUGHOUT THE WEEK FOR MORE EXCITING ACTION IN FURTHER
LUDI DURING THIS WEEK OF CELEBRATIONS IN HONOUR OF THE MAGNA MATER







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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21823 From: romanusdiogenes Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Thanks; I've got a note from the censores. They think it's with the
paterfamilias, whose email address I can't find (the name "Scipio" is
not highlighted in the section on Roman names).
Vale, L. Scipio Barbatus (prospectively)

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@c...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> romanusdiogenes wrote:
>
> > This is addressed to anyone who may be concerned. I hope I'm not
> > being impatient but I applied for citizenship about two months
ago
>
> I've cc'd the Censors in this reply to you, so with any luck you
should
> get an answer from them very soon. My guess is that there's been
a
> breakdown in communications between your prospective paterfamilias
and
> the Censors.
>
> Vale,
>
> -- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21824 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Munera Gladiatoria
Ambrosius Celetrus Quiritibus S.P.D.

What can I say? A beautiful Spring morning is to be celebrated; as
all are when Proserpine returns to grace us with her beauty, and
thereby stems the tears of Ceres. It is a priviledge and honor that
my men provided entertainment for all. I am new to the games, but
have studied the sport. Cicero and Atticus are aptly named - for
they can't stop talking to each other. It is funny, though, that
Cicero inclines to Epicurus, while Atticus will die with a frown. My
only
regret is that the rap lover did not die by one of my own.

Hail the Games! Go Blues!

Aulus Ambrosius Celetrus

AVLVS AMBROSIVS CELETRVS
CIVIS NOVAE ROMAE
|EX ORIENTE LVX ~ EX OCCIDENTE LEX|
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21825 From: KECTAM@aol.com Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Re: Digest Number 1196
In a message dated 05/04/04 11:17:33 GMT Daylight Time,
Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com writes:

> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 04 Apr 2004 08:45:53 -0400
> From: AthanasiosofSpfd@...
> Subject: Apology for not being more active
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius SPD
>
> I would like to apologize to the citizens of our fine Republic for not being
> as active as I should be. My father if very sick, and just had a liver
> transplant about a month ago. He is currently at a specialized hospital about an
> hour and a half away from me, and even after having had the surgury a month
> ago he is still in surgical ICU (he gets better then worse again, back and
> forth). It has been very rough on me, and my family.
>

Salve Gai Modi Athanasi,

May I add my prayers for your father's full and speedy recovery, and my hopes
that you and your family will find the strength and fortitude to see you all
through these very difficult times. Please do not trouble yourself to
acknowledge - I just wanted to add my voice to the others who wish you well.

Vale,

Placidia Prisca


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21826 From: Sp. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Re: Munera Gladiatoria
Salve Pompeia Cornelia;
ecastor now I have the entire provincia of Thules after me;-!
I can't wait for the finals...and may I just add after that amazing
panegyric that you should be known as Pompeia Cornelia Fides;-)
Though all rufa's ,rutila's & stray flava are famous for our superior
qualities.
vale Sp. Fabia Vera Fausta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21827 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Salve Honorable Lucius Scipiadus Scipio Barbatus!

I have taken a preliminary look into your case. You are approved
today as Lucius Scipiadus Scipio Barbatus of Gens Scipiadia. The
problem that You have had probably (I dont know for sure yet) have to
do with your prospective Pater familias. Maybe he has been on a trip
somewhere.

My Scribae or I can't approve You at all if the Pater familias
doesn't approve You.

>Salve, All,
>
>This is addressed to anyone who may be concerned. I hope I'm not
>being impatient but I applied for citizenship about two months ago
>and have had no indication of where my application is,

Did You contact the Censors to inquire what had happened? That would
seem to be the natural thing to do. We have processed hundreds of
applications since the beginning of the year and are limited as to
the tools to use to keep track of applicants. I hope that we will be
able to develop the administrative tools and routines until we will
be in full control of the possible position of each applicant. I am a
new Censor and the Data Base is rather complicated, it will take time
until I and my Scribae will fully control all tasks in this office.

>presently, in
>the "Palatine," so to speak. I did all the things as indicated at
>the on line site of Nova Roma. I picked a name, and I sent an email
>to the proper paterfamilias. He replied that he'd get back to me
>when he got word from the Censors, or whoever handles citizenship
>applications.

I am not sure what he meant with that. He can approve You directly on
the web and doesn't need to contact the Censors for that. Maybe there
was some technical problem somewhere along the line. I will look into
this deeper to see if anything went wrong on our side.

>I know I got an email saying it would take a while,
>but I was just wondering. Can anybody direct me or fill me in on
>this?

I hope that You now understand what may have happened. I will come
back to You with more facts. But remeber that we who work with this
are doing it on our spare time. I myslef is sitting with the Censors
job 3 hours a day. sometimes things does go the way we would like
them to do.

I personally welcome You to Nova Roma and hope that You will have a
pleasant time among us!

>Vale,
>K. B. Charles (prospectively Lucius Scipio Barbatus)

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21828 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALESIA VENATIONES
Ave Mater Ambrosia,

Twinkletoes rules!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21829 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Caerimoniae Feriae Fortunae Publicae
Today is the Feria of Fortuna Publica. Since Nova Roma does not yet
have a sacerdos Fortunae Publicae and Fortuna Publica as one of the
divine public virtues falls within the purview of the Flamen
Quirinalis, I performed the following caerimonia in her honour shortly
after dawn.

I bathed in preparation, then, garbed in toga praetexta, cinctu
Gabino, capite velato, I began the praefatio.

Praefatio

"Iane Pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novorum Romanorum Quiritum
[Father Ianus, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so
that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People
of the Nova Romans, the Quirites"]. I placed incense in the focus of
the altar.

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor,
uti sies volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novorum Romanorum
Quiritum [Iuppiter Best and Greatest, by offering this incense to you
I pray good prayers, so that you may be willingly propitious to me and
the Senate and People of the Nova Romans, the Quirites"]. I placed
incense in the focus of the altar.

"Iuno Dea, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies volens
propitia mihi et Senatui Populoque Novorum Romanorum Quiritum [Goddess
Iuno, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so that you
may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People of the
Nova Romans, the Quirites"]. I placed incense in the focus of the altar.

"Minerva Dea, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitia mihi et Senatui Populoque Novorum Romanorum Quiritum
[Goddess Minverva, by offering this incense to you I pray good
prayers, so that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate
and People of the Nova Romans, the Quirites"]. I placed incense in
the focus of the altar.

"Mars Pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novorum Romanorum Quiritum
[Father Mars, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers, so
that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and People
of the Nova Romans, the Quirites.]" I placed incense in the focus of
the altar.

"Quirine Pater, te hoc ture ommovendo bonas preces precor, uti sies
volens propitius mihi et Senatui Populoque Novorum Romanorum Quiritum
[Father Quirinus, by offering this incense to you I pray good prayers,
so that you may be willingly propitious to me and the Senate and
People of the Nova Romans, the Quirites.]" I placed incense in the
focus of the altar.

"Iane Pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Ianus, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the
focus of the altar.

"Iuppiter Optime Maxime, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene
precatus sum, eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Iuppiter Best
and Greatest, as by offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were
well prayed, for the sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation on the focus of the altar.

"Iuno Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Goddess Iuno, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the
focus of the altar.

"Minerva Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Goddess Minerva, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the
sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation
on the focus of the altar.

"Mars Pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Mars, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the
focus of the altar.

"Quirine Pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Quirinus, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the
sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation
on the focus of the altar.

I washed my hands in preparation for the praecatio.

Precatio

"Fortuna Publica, quae rei publicae semper benigna est et ex rebus
adversis Senatui Populoque Novorum Romanorum Quiritum opportunitatem
creat, tibi fieri oportet culignam vini dapi, eius rei ergo hac illace
dape pullucenda esto [Fortuna Publica, who is always beneficent to the
republic and creates opportunity from adversity for the Senate and
People of the Nova Romans, the Quirites, to you it is proper for a cup
of wine to be given, for the sake of this thing may you be honoured by
this feast offering]." I poured a libation on the focus of the altar.

Again I washed my hands in preparation for the redditio.

Redditio

"Fortuna Publica, quae audentis iuvat, macte istace dape pollucenda
esto, macte vino inferio esto [Fortuna Publica, who is the help of the
brave, may you be honoured by this feast offering, may you be honoured
by the humble wine.]" I offered cakes and wine on the focus of the altar.

"Quirine Pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Quirinus, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the
sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on
the focus of the altar.

"Mars Pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Mars, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the
focus of the altar.

"Minerva Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Goddess Minerva, as by
offering to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the
sake of this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation
on the focus of the altar.

"Iuno Dea, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Goddess Iuno, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the
focus of the altar.

"Iane Pater, uti te ture ommovendo bonas preces bene precatus sum,
eiusdem rei ergo macte vino inferio esto [Father Ianus, as by offering
to you the incense virtuous prayers were well prayed, for the sake of
this be honoured by this humble wine.]" I poured a libation on the
focus of the altar.

"Vesta Dea, custos ignis sacri, macte vino inferio esto [Goddess
Vesta, guardian of the sacred fire, be honoured by this humble wine.]"
I poured a libation on the focus of the altar.

"Illicet [It is permitted to go.]"

I profaned wine and cakes, and I partook of the epulum with Fortuna
Publica, praying as I ate and offering libations in my private devotions.

Piaculum

Since the historical caerimonia of the feria of Fortuna Publica has
not yet been recovered, I offered a piaculum to Fortuna Publica if
anything in this caerimonia should offend her:

"Fortuna Publica, si quidquam tibi in hac caerimonia displicet, hoc
ture veniam peto et vitium meum expio [Fortuna Publica, if anything in
this ceremony is displeasing to you, with this incense I ask
forgiveness and expiate my fault.]" I offered incense on the focus of
the altar.

"Fortuna Publica, si quidquam tibi in hac caerimonia displicet, hoc
vino inferio veniam peto et vitium meum expio [Fortuna Publica, if
anything in this ceremony is displeasing to you, with this humble wine
I ask forgiveness and expiate my fault.]" I poured a libation on the
focus of the altar.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21830 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Re: Munera Gladiatoria
"A beautiful Spring morning is to be celebrated; as
> all are when Proserpine returns to grace us with her beauty, and
> thereby stems the tears of Ceres. "

What? On a cold mist dark Autumn morning, under a lead sky, rainless,
going to a sad and cold winter...

Vale bene,
L. Arminius Faustus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Ambrosius Celetrus"
<Aulus.Ambrosius.Celetrus@a...> wrote:
> Ambrosius Celetrus Quiritibus S.P.D.
>
> What can I say? A beautiful Spring morning is to be celebrated; as
> all are when Proserpine returns to grace us with her beauty, and
> thereby stems the tears of Ceres. It is a priviledge and honor that
> my men provided entertainment for all. I am new to the games, but
> have studied the sport. Cicero and Atticus are aptly named - for
> they can't stop talking to each other. It is funny, though, that
> Cicero inclines to Epicurus, while Atticus will die with a frown. My
> only
> regret is that the rap lover did not die by one of my own.
>
> Hail the Games! Go Blues!
>
> Aulus Ambrosius Celetrus
>
> AVLVS AMBROSIVS CELETRVS
> CIVIS NOVAE ROMAE
> |EX ORIENTE LVX ~ EX OCCIDENTE LEX|
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21831 From: Sp. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Happy Passover !
Salvete Quirites;
I want to wish all Jewish Nova Romani & everyone else a happy
Passover; it amazes me to think that over 2,000 years ago while my
people were aggravating the Romans they were also celebrating this
ancient holiday.
bene valete Sp. Fabia Vera Fausta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21832 From: pompeia_cornelia Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Re: Happy Passover !
---

Salvete Fabia Vera et Omnes:

I too wish you, Fabia Vera, Lucius Cornelius Sulla and others a
Blessed Passover.

Po

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sp. Fabia Vera" <rory12001@y...> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites;
> I want to wish all Jewish Nova Romani & everyone else a happy
> Passover; it amazes me to think that over 2,000 years ago while my
> people were aggravating the Romans they were also celebrating this
> ancient holiday.
> bene valete Sp. Fabia Vera Fausta
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21833 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2004-04-05
Subject: Re: Happy Passover !
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Sp. Fabia Vera" <rory12001@y...> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites;
> I want to wish all Jewish Nova Romani & everyone else a happy
> Passover; it amazes me to think that over 2,000 years ago while my
> people were aggravating the Romans they were also celebrating this
> ancient holiday.
> bene valete Sp. Fabia Vera Fausta

Salve,

While I'm a "goy-boy" I wish you as well as all of Nova Roma's Jewish
citizens a joyous Passover as well.

It is interesting that this year the Ludi Megalesia and Passover
overlap though while the circumstances both celebrate are different,
they both commemorate a form of thanksgiving of divine intervention to
prevent the annhilation of a people at the hands of a merciless enemy.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21834 From: matt hicks Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
I also applied around two months ago and have recieved no notification. I did try to redo my information online and was informed that my name was in use and unavailable so maybe I'm in? However I did not seek to join a preexisting gens. If anyone has any idea what the problem is I'd appreciate some word.

Thank you,
Gallus Amitus Cicero (Matt Hicks)

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
Salve,

romanusdiogenes wrote:

> This is addressed to anyone who may be concerned. I hope I'm not
> being impatient but I applied for citizenship about two months ago

I've cc'd the Censors in this reply to you, so with any luck you should
get an answer from them very soon. My guess is that there's been a
breakdown in communications between your prospective paterfamilias and
the Censors.

Vale,

-- Marinus



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21835 From: willpower2050 Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: SPQR
Hello, I am new. I was wondering if anyone knows what the SPQR stands
for on the roman flag. Also I was wondering if the flag on the
openning spread of this page is a representation of the flag Ancient
Rome used? I just started thinking about what their flag was tonight,
and I typed it in and found your site.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21836 From: mm_quiz Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: II Question Hist Cont Magnae Matris
SALVETE QUIRITES!

Here is the second question:

2-In what activities did Ludi Megalesia mostly consist of? Where
were they usually celebrated? Who were the priests dedicated to them?

The term for sending the answers will be tomorrow 6th at 19 Roman
time, at: mm_quiz AT yahoo DOT com.

BENE VALETE
L IUL SULLA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21837 From: mm_quiz Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: HISTORICAL CONTEST
SALVETE QUIRITES!

Here follows the correct answer for the first question of our
Historical Contest, that is "In which date did Ludi Megalesia have
been held in Rome for the first time, as for the tradition? Who were
them dedicated to? How was called the procession, when the statue of
the goddess was brought to Rome?"

Answer:
Megalesia Ludi were a festival with games celebrated in the month of
April in honour of Magna Mater (goddess Cybele). For the tradition,
they have been celebrated for the first time in 191 b.C. (4th-10th
April), even if some historians write they have been celebrated
before. When the statue of the goddess was brought to Rome, the day
of its arrival was solemnised with a magnificent procession, called
Lectisternia.

So, temporary classification is:
2 pts. Gaius Lanius Falco
1 pt. Titus Octavius Pius; Quintus Lanius Paulinus; Gnaeus Equitius
Marinus.

VALETE!
L IUL SULLA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21838 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: ante diem VIII Idus Aprilis
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem VIII Idus Aprilis and the Feria Megalesiae; the day
is nefastus. The Feria Megalesiae continued.

Tomorrow is ante diem VII Idus Aprilis and the Feria Megalesiae; the
day is nefastus. The Feria Megalesiae continued.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21839 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: SPQR
Salve.

> Hello, I am new. I was wondering if anyone knows what the SPQR stands
> for on the roman flag. Also I was wondering if the flag on the
> openning spread of this page is a representation of the flag Ancient
> Rome used? I just started thinking about what their flag was tonight,
> and I typed it in and found your site.

It stands for Senatus Populusque Romanus -- the Roman Senate and
People. The only plausibly contemporary images of Roman flags and
ensigns are to be found in the Notitia Dignitatum, which purports to
list military units and imperial administrators and their cognisances
in the western (ca. 400 CE) and eastern (ca. 420 CE) empire, but it
exists only in 14th-century CE and later manuscripts. Dr. Ingo Maier
has a website on the Notitia with an extensive bibliography at
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~igmaier/notitia.htm.

Vale.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21840 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: HISTORICAL CONTEST
SALVETE CIVES

I'm really sorry for this big delay for the answers and the new
question of our historical contest about MM. I posted it at 19:20
Roman time yesterday, and it appeared here with 13 hours of delay.

M Iul Perusianus have posted yesterday a new email, that have still
to appear on this ML.

We will try, in the next days, to use our personal account for this
purpose, mad yahoo!

But now, enjoy Ludi Megalesia!

VALETE!
L IUL SULLA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21841 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Salve!

When You apply for a new Gens there seem (I am new to this job) to be
_no_ automatic message to the Censors. As it is the Censors that
handle this proceedure that will mean that the whole process stops. I
will cc my Colleague who manage the Data base (I am no computer wiz,
but he is) and ask him till look into this.

I will try to deal with this one now. You will recieve a mail from
one of my Scriba as soon as possible as I am ockupied for the moment.
Please be aware that we are trying to reconstruct Roma Antiqua and
that we want to avoid approving new Gentes. Please take a look at the
exististing Gentes at http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/gentes to look
for a Gens to apply for.

When You have problems with anything that has to do with the citizen
application, please contact the Censors (me and my Scribae) at
<censors at novaroma.org>

>I also applied around two months ago and have recieved no
>notification. I did try to redo my information online and was
>informed that my name was in use and unavailable so maybe I'm in?
>However I did not seek to join a preexisting gens. If anyone has
>any idea what the problem is I'd appreciate some word.
>
> Thank you,
>Gallus Amitus Cicero (Matt Hicks)
>
>Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
>Salve,

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21842 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: (no subject)
SALVETE OMNES

Interview the Expert.
Now you can read the interesting interview to Prof. Poliseno here:

http://www.novaroma.org/expert/feb04.htm

VALETE!
L IUL SULLA
Academia Italica
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21843 From: Dave Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: New member
Greetings Roman brothers and sisters! I have just joined Nova Roma
and wanted to say hello. My mundane name is David. Pending
acceptance of my application, I will be know as Caius Ambrosius
Aurelianus. I hope that the gen of Ambrosia will accept my joining
the family. Look forward to getting to know all of you. Feel free
to send me a message!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21844 From: Lucius Sulla Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Magna Mater Historical Contest Quiz n°2
SALVETE QUIRITES!

here the answer to the question we've asked you yesterday!

Quiz n.1 - In which date did Ludi Megalesia have been held in Rome for the first time, as for the tradition? Who were them dedicated to? How was called the procession, when the statue of the goddess was brought to Rome?

Answer:
Megalesia Ludi were a festival with games celebrated in the month of April in honour of Magna Mater (goddess Cybele). For the tradition, they have been celebrated for the first time in 191 b.C. (4th-10th April), even if some historians write they have been celebrated before. When the statue of the goddess was brought to Rome, the day of its arrival was solemnised with a magnificent procession, called Lectisternia.

TEMPORARY CLASSIFICATION HISTORICAL CONTEST MAGNA MATER
According to the answers received, we now have:

2 pts. Gaius Lanius Falco
1 pt. Titus Octavius Pius; Quintus Lanius Paulinus; Gnaeus Equitius Marinus; Caius Ianus Flaminius

Here follows the second question for the Historical Contest!

Quiz n.2 - In what activities did Ludi Megalesia mostly consist of? Where were they usually celebrated? Who were the priests dedicated to them?

we are waiting for you answers, and remember that you have just to write back (at mm_quiz AT yahoo DOT com).
It's not important if you haven't done yesterday: YOU can begin now!

valete
LVCIVS IVLIVS SVLLA
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21845 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Salve,

Now, a fine tribunitian unrest, for a good cause. In the name of
Iove, Mother Ceres and Salus Publica.

For me, seems that the main difficult on citizenship is a inactive
paterfamilias, or little active.

On a time we are urging to have new citizens, a inactive
paterfamilias preventing people to join NR is crime against the state.

We must think dearly on this. Perhaps with a legislation suspending
acceptance on gens with inactive paterfamilias, revoking the right of
paterfamiliarship for Capite Censi and making another assidui on
paterfamilias or just on ´Join gens´ page of the inscription of NR
making a list of active paterfamilias which can approve fast your
application.

Remember on Roma Antiqua, a paterfamilias that fails on the domestic
religio worship, disappearing from home, and even of the ´lustro´
cerimony on the starting of the year... well, you all know what it
was considered on the concept of the ancient...

Remember dearest Fabius, that on the very siege of the Capitolium,
passed the gauls just to worship on the domestic feast of his gens.

My application was approved on two days. I was lucky for choosing a
active paterfamilias. But many suffers a lot, on the most delicated
process of NR, the entering.

And we need deeply new citizens, deeply...

Oh Tempora, oh mores! The right to lead a gens is a so sacred right
that cannot be seen without fear of the gods! All citizen have right
to ´disappear´ of NR sometime, life changes and makes some surpirses
for us, but we must have way to make our gens ´non-leadered´.;

And the big problem is not for the active citizens, but for citizens
wanting to join NR. Daily, the paterfamilias has not much power,
alas, even on the ancient, the gens had power only on the very
starting of the roman history. However, a bad paterfamilias can
prevent us to get new citizens, new oxygen to our Res Publica!

I urge you, Quirites, to think dearly on a legislation to deal with
this!

Vale bene in pacem deourm,
L. Arminius Faustus, Tribunus Plebis


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
<christer.edling@t...> wrote:
> Salve!
>
> When You apply for a new Gens there seem (I am new to this job) to
be
> _no_ automatic message to the Censors. As it is the Censors that
> handle this proceedure that will mean that the whole process stops.
I
> will cc my Colleague who manage the Data base (I am no computer
wiz,
> but he is) and ask him till look into this.
>
> I will try to deal with this one now. You will recieve a mail from
> one of my Scriba as soon as possible as I am ockupied for the
moment.
> Please be aware that we are trying to reconstruct Roma Antiqua and
> that we want to avoid approving new Gentes. Please take a look at
the
> exististing Gentes at http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/gentes to
look
> for a Gens to apply for.
>
> When You have problems with anything that has to do with the
citizen
> application, please contact the Censors (me and my Scribae) at
> <censors at novaroma.org>
>
> >I also applied around two months ago and have recieved no
> >notification. I did try to redo my information online and was
> >informed that my name was in use and unavailable so maybe I'm in?
> >However I did not seek to join a preexisting gens. If anyone has
> >any idea what the problem is I'd appreciate some word.
> >
> > Thank you,
> >Gallus Amitus Cicero (Matt Hicks)
> >
> >Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@c...> wrote:
> >Salve,
>
> --
>
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Censor, Consularis et Senator
> Proconsul Thules
> Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
> Civis Romanus sum
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************************************************
> Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21846 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Salve Galle Amite,

Gallus Amitus Cicero (Matt Hicks)wrote:
> I also applied around two months ago and have recieved no notification.

I'm also bringing your case to the attention of the Censors. Let's see
what they have to say about it.

> I did try to redo my information online and was informed that my name
> was in use and unavailable so maybe I'm in? However I did not seek to
> join a preexisting gens. If anyone has any idea what the problem is I'd
> appreciate some word.

I would too. If this is not a problem with an inactive paterfamilias I
really have no idea what's holding things up for you.

Vale,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21847 From: L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: European Rally - Segovia 2757
Salvete omnes

We have already booked a whole house (24 beds plus additional at demand) in the province of Segovia, Hispania (Spain) for the weekend of 6-7 august. All the citizens who wish to come to the rally, please send a message to sceptia@...

The total cost of the house will be of 1220 euros (it doesn't include meals of any kind) which will be splitted into equal parts. There will be some citizens who have car (The house is in a natural enviroment, near Guadarrama's mountains and its forests and rivers) so the distance between Segovia and the House will be covered in less than half an hour (It is 37 km away). Further information about the House can be find in its own web: (you can translate it with bablefish or some other translator) http://www.lahondilla.com/

The Agenda will be detailled in a further post during this month, but this will be the general plan:

* Friday 12,00 p.m - Gathering in the House. Rites and speeches from our representatives will be done. After that, trip to Segovia for the meal. Sightseeing and then back to the House. Roman Dinner and chatting.

* Saturday morning - Trip to Segovia/around the place to more sightseeing. After the meal, the Hispanici will be doing their annual meeting to discuss political issues and projects, achievements and ideas.
Saurday night - Free for all, Roman Dinner in the house or just a "saturday night fever" in the city. There are some proposals about another ways to spare the time. :-)

* Sunday morning - Leaving the House, after a breakfast. There is a project of travelling around the place and/or going to some historical villages. All those who wish to remain in the House sunday night should tell so before going there.

* There is also a proposal for the previous days from M. Adrianus Sarus of visiting south Spain. All of you who wish so, please contact him at cme@...


We hope we the hispanici will show our hospitality to you all. :-)


vale bene in pace deorum,

L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
PROPRAETOR·HISPANIAE


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21848 From: Lucius Cassius Pontonius Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Roman Themed Television Programming April 6th to April 12th
Greetings Nova Romans!



As Scriba Propraetoris of Nova Britannia, one of my assigned duties is to scour the television listings for Roman Themed Programming. This being the Christian Holy week which concludes with Easter Sunday, there are several items concerning that which may cover the Romans, but not heavily and not for certain. Therefore I have attempted to find those that deal solely with the Roman Governorship of Judea.




I will be working on a webpage that will include all of the monthly TV listings for Roman Programming and I will be posting the weekly listings every Monday.



April 8th

9PM History Channel International

Almanac: Great Empire: Rome - The Republic of Rome: The Republic of Rome" begins with the tale of the founding of the city by brothers Romulus and Remus, and details the reign of Julius Caesar. Also: the 200-year reign of the Etruscans; the evolution of the Roman Army.

10PM History Channel International

Almanac: Great Empire: Rome - Age of Emperors: "Age of Emperors" explores the reigns of the men who led the Imperial Roman Empire following the death of Julius Caesar, including Augustus, Claudius and Nero. Included: advancements in art and architecture during Augustus Caesar's reign.

10:00 PM History Channel

The Real Pontius Pilate: Posterity can be a heavy burden. In the 19th year of Emperor Tiberius's reign, a local disturbance occurred in Judea--an obscure province of the Roman Empire. But for this incident, Pontius Pilate's name might shine through history in a positive light. Who was this biblical bogeyman? As we strip away the mythology, a vivid portrait emerges of a flesh-and-blood Roman faced with the unenviable task of maintaining order by exercising brutal pragmatics. Pilate's story remains without rival

11PM History Channel International

Almanac: Great Empire: Rome - Building an Empire: Exploring the reigns of the men who led the Imperial Roman Empire following the death of Julius Caesar, including Augustus, Claudius and Nero. Included: advancements in art and architecture during Augustus Caesar's reign.



April 9th

1AM History Channel International

Almanac: Great Empire: Rome - The Republic of Rome:The Republic of Rome" begins with the tale of the founding of the city by brothers Romulus and Remus, and details the reign of Julius Caesar. Also: the 200-year reign of the Etruscans; the evolution of the Roman Army.

2AM History Channel International

Almanac: Great Empire: Rome - Age of Emperors: "Age of Emperors" explores the reigns of the men who led the Imperial Roman Empire following the death of Julius Caesar, including Augustus, Claudius and Nero. Included: advancements in art and architecture during Augustus Caesar's reign.

2:00 AM History Channel

The Real Pontius Pilate: Posterity can be a heavy burden. In the 19th year of Emperor Tiberius's reign, a local disturbance occurred in Judea--an obscure province of the Roman Empire. But for this incident, Pontius Pilate's name might shine through history in a positive light. Who was this biblical bogeyman? As we strip away the mythology, a vivid portrait emerges of a flesh-and-blood Roman faced with the unenviable task of maintaining order by exercising brutal pragmatics. Pilate's story remains without rival

3AM History Channel International

Almanac: Great Empire: Rome - Building an Empire: Exploring the reigns of the men who led the Imperial Roman Empire following the death of Julius Caesar, including Augustus, Claudius and Nero. Included: advancements in art and architecture during Augustus Caesar's reign.



April 10th



11PM History Channel International

Foot Soldier: The warriors of ancient Rome, who estblished an empire from Scotland to Saudi Arabia before succumbing to invasions of Germanic peoples in the 5th century. Also: their legacy of language, culture and architecture. Host: Richard Karn.





April 11th



3AM History Channel International

Foot Soldier: The warriors of ancient Rome, who estblished an empire from Scotland to Saudi Arabia before succumbing to invasions of Germanic peoples in the 5th century. Also: their legacy of language, culture and architecture. Host: Richard Karn.

12:00 PM History Channel

The Real Pontius Pilate
Posterity can be a heavy burden. In the 19th year of Emperor Tiberius's reign, a local disturbance occurred in Judea--an obscure province of the Roman Empire. But for this incident, Pontius Pilate's name might shine through history in a positive light. Who was this biblical bogeyman? As we strip away the mythology, a vivid portrait emerges of a flesh-and-blood Roman faced with the unenviable task of maintaining order by exercising brutal pragmatics. Pilate's story remains without rival



With Respect,

Lucius Cassius Pontonius

Scriba Propraetoris, Nova Britannia




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21849 From: Michael Cerrato Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: Happy Passover !
Salvete omnes!

Interesting to note that the Christian celebration of this time of year also involves the placating of a disaffected Deity so as to prevent the annihilation of...well...everyone. To our Jewish citizens: PESACH TOV! To our Christian citizens: HAPPY EASTER! To the rest of our citizens: GO BLUES!

G. Equitius Cato


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21850 From: Q. Salix Cantaber URANICUS Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Ludi Megalesia: rerults of the ludi equestris (quarters)
Salvete amici...



Inside the acts of Ludi Megalesia this afternoon they have taken place the Circus Games in Honor to Bona Dea.



I want to give those thanks to those that have participated in these Ludi Equestris and to the rest of the cives I wanted to cheer up so that you participate in futures Ludi.



The participation for factiones has been the following one:

5 PRAESINI

5 VENETI

3 RUSSATI

2 ALBATI



They have participated a total of fifteen chariots of which there has not been any disqualified by dirty actoins and only two accidents in the careers.



This is the list of the participants:



Chariot Vita Brevis

Driver Petronius Gnipho

Factio ALBATA

Entrant Gnaeus Equitius Marinus

Provincia Medioatlantica



Chariot Basilea

Driver Septimius Raurax

Factio PRAESINA

Entrant: Tiberius Annaeus Otho

Provincia Germania



Chariot Fvror Tevtonicvs

Driver Scissor Obscurvs Northmannvs

Factio RUSSATA

Entrant Alexander Solaris Draco

Provincia Italia



Chariot Phaeton

Driver Flavius Iaculator

Factio VENETA

Entrant Gaius Cornelius Ahenobarbus

Provincia California



Chariot Maledicti

Driver Vesanicus

Factio ALBATA

Entrant Gnaeus Salix Galaicus

Provincia Hispania



Chariot Essedum

Driver Italicus

Factio PRAESINA

Entrant Manius Constantinus Serapio

Provincia Italia



Chariot Gallia Victrix

Driver Minax

Factio RUSSATA

Entrant Tiberius Apollonius Cicatrix

Provincia Galia



Chariot Abydos

Driver Dionysus Aegypto

Factio VENETA

Entrant Aulus Ambrosius Celetrus

Provincia Mediatlantica



Chariot Stella Iudaeae

Driver Malchus

Factio PRAESINA

Entrant Septima Fabia Vera Fausta

Provincia Hibernia



Chariot Libertas

Driver Peucetius

Factio RUSSATA

Entrant Franciscus Apulus Caesar

Provincia Italia



Chariot Hesperi

Driver Maeve an Ruadhri

Factio VENETA

Entrant Merlinia Ambrosia Artorii

Provincia Mediatlantica



Chariot Delecta mea

Driver Crescens

Factio PRAESINA

Entrant Octavia Ulpia Teretina

Provincia Germania



Chariot Invictus

Driver Tanaris

Factio VENETA

Entrant Gaius Ambrosius Artorius Iulianus

Provincia America Austrooccidentalis



Chariot Inexpugnabilis III

Driver Euthymus

Factio PRAESINA

Entrant Caius Curius Saturninus

Provincia Thule



Chariot Veritas

Driver Maximus Vincentius

Factio VENETA

Entrant Gaius Lanius Falco

Provincia Nova Britannia



The Goddess Fortune, always so capricious, she has already chosen to their favorite ones.



The races have lapsed this way:





--- Ut quisquem vicerit occidat! ---



Quarters round A



First race of Ludi! And there is a lot of emotion contained in the tiers of the Circus. Everyone is quick to exit and the Editor throws the mapa onto the track. It is the start sign and the chariots rush rapidly for the straightaway! The uproar of the public is indescribable and deafening, mainly on the part of the fans of Albata who 're cheering with enormous pleasure the chariot Vita Brevis who's made a spectacular start ahead of Praesina. Furor Teutonicus whose start has been excellent. Is second.The third position is a battle between Basilea and Phaeton who've come out at the same time.



It is still too early to choose the favorite , but it is clear that Phaeton doesn't want to remain in last position and quickly on it passes Basilea and takes on Furor Teutonicus . In the first two turns one can clearly observe their tactics: Vita Brevis in first place, relies on the advantage of the quick start and is saving his horses for the last turns before putting on speed. In second place Furor Teutonicus doesn't seem very interested in passing and snatching the Albata's driver's lead although he doesn't lose his rhythm and doesn't allow himself to be too far behind. It is Phaeton that is less happy with its position and hurries with the intention of reaching the Russata chariot. Finally Basilea doesn't seem too worried to be last, and its tactics are to reseve its horsepower for the end of the race and to hope that its rivals by then are worn out.



By the middle of the race the positions haven't changed, but Veneta is already fed up with seeing the back to the Russata and takes advantage of the straight away by putting on a burst of speed to try to pass him. But Furor Teutonicus doesn't seem willing to consent and obstinately blocks the track, its plan is to make up in the curves the ground that its rival won in the straightaway. In the fourth turn Phaeton makes another attempt and he rushes to win the interior position that Furor Teutonicus carelessly has left him when making a wrong turn. His greater speed puts him between Russata and the spina and he relies on his superior speed. but Furor Teutonicus maneuvers, maliciously cutting off the track and forcing Veneta to stick dangerously close to the wall. The wheel of Phaeton strikes a stone and sparks fly! On the razor's edge of having a serious accident, the driver, Flavius Iacularor applies the whip to his horses and he is able to gain some beautiful meters so that, although he doesn't completely overtake Furor Teutonicus it does prevent Teutonicus from trying this maneuver again because then it would hurt its own horses. In the fifth lap the positions are: first Vita Brevis (Albata) with an advantage of five chariot lengths over Phaeton(Veneta) who is in third place as experienced Furor Teutonicus (Russata) who is in second place has recovered ground in the curves . Finally Basilea (Praesina) conserves his forces and trusts in the shortcomings of the others, he doesn't doesn't press the rhythm of his horses, he's waiting for the struggle to come in the final lap of the race.



We come closer to the end of the race, in the sixth turn, and here all the tactics are shown that previously the rivals had kept hidden:

[...]



Do you want to know what happened? Do you have interest in knowing if your chariot has been classified for semifinals?...



Then you can it can consult the results of the four careers in http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/m_circ_results.html



Vale.



Quintus Salix Cantaber Uranicus < qsalixcant@... >
Scriba Propraetoris Arenae PROVINCIA HISPANIE
Scriba Aedilis Ludorum - COHORTIS AEDILIS CURULIS



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21851 From: Pompeia Cornelia Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Fwd: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA SEMIFINALS
Note: forwarded message attached.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21852 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: New Citizen
Salvete omnes,

There is nothing like starting the day off right with good news! I
have just been informed by our censors that Canada Occidentalis has
a new citizen - Gnaeus Iulius Ceasar. I can see he is going to be a
great and lively citizen so I hope some of you will take a moment in
helping me welcome Gnaeus to NR. He knows there is a wealth of
information here and lots of help.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Propraeto Canada Occidentalis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21853 From: Yvonne Rathbone Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus wrote:

> Salve!
>
> When You apply for a new Gens there seem (I am new to this job) to be
> _no_ automatic message to the Censors. As it is the Censors that
> handle this proceedure that will mean that the whole process stops. I
> will cc my Colleague who manage the Data base (I am no computer wiz,
> but he is) and ask him till look into this.

I am in the same boat as others. It's been over a month - I think - since I
applied and I haven't heard anything. I emailed the Censors yesterday and
they haven't responded yet. I wasn't sure what else to do, but it looks
like there are other eager applicants having the same problems. [How
wonderful that Nova Roma has so many people beating down the doors to become
citizens!]

I, too, picked a new gens name. I didn't realize it would cause any
problems and I didn't want to intrude on an already existing gens. I
realize now that requesting membership to an existing gens is the preferred
method. I like the gens name that I picked, Cornificius. I feel a bit of a
connection with the man who bought Pompey's house that I can't explain. And
I'd be willing to do some work to help make sure the gens doesn't stay a
one-woman show.

Salvete,
Sulpicia Cornificius Sylvana (hopefully)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21854 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Salve Sulpicia Cornificia,

You wrote:
> I am in the same boat as others. It's been over a month - I think - since I
> applied and I haven't heard anything.

I'm copying this message to the Censors, and I'm confident you'll be
getting word from them soon. Thanks for bringing the matter up.

Vale,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21855 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Salve,

It can seems very despicable, but now a manual of choosing gentes:
Try to choose a gens with a paterfamilias that is already a senator,
consul or some governor. They are always ´on the forum´, and are
powerful patrons... and perhaps can answer your application in one
week :)

Although creating new gentes is a way to make more plebeian gentes, I
do not see much advantage on many weak gentes. Well, what I am
saying?! Whe need desesperatly assidui citizens whatever gens or ordo
they are.

Alas, one thing we must keep clear on application is about the taxes
NR asks. Much people is surprised with them after and abandon NR. We
must keep clear the manteinance of the website and the restoration of
ruins we sponsor are not free... but the tax is much more a honour
contribution that a way to make lots of money.

Vale bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus TRP

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Yvonne Rathbone <yvonr@e...> wrote:
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus wrote:
>
> > Salve!
> >
> > When You apply for a new Gens there seem (I am new to this job)
to be
> > _no_ automatic message to the Censors. As it is the Censors that
> > handle this proceedure that will mean that the whole process
stops. I
> > will cc my Colleague who manage the Data base (I am no computer
wiz,
> > but he is) and ask him till look into this.
>
> I am in the same boat as others. It's been over a month - I think -
since I
> applied and I haven't heard anything. I emailed the Censors
yesterday and
> they haven't responded yet. I wasn't sure what else to do, but it
looks
> like there are other eager applicants having the same problems.
[How
> wonderful that Nova Roma has so many people beating down the doors
to become
> citizens!]
>
> I, too, picked a new gens name. I didn't realize it would cause any
> problems and I didn't want to intrude on an already existing gens.
I
> realize now that requesting membership to an existing gens is the
preferred
> method. I like the gens name that I picked, Cornificius. I feel a
bit of a
> connection with the man who bought Pompey's house that I can't
explain. And
> I'd be willing to do some work to help make sure the gens doesn't
stay a
> one-woman show.
>
> Salvete,
> Sulpicia Cornificius Sylvana (hopefully)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21856 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Salve!

I will contact You privately in a day or two!

Please remember that I and my Scribae are doing our job on our spare
time. I am working with the Censorial tasks about two hours per day
and also doing a teacgher's work tat takes more than 10 hours per
day. Your mail to the Censors arrived 16 hours ago and I hope that
You will accept that someone working on spare time takes more time
than that. I hope to answer your private mail tomorrow.

I recommend that applicants expect to wait at least fourteen days
before becoming worried. I would further recommend that applicants
contact their possible Pater/Mater familias before they contact the
Censors as the problem nearly always is that the Pater/Mater is
ockupied or inactive.

I and my Scribae are putting much effort and time in an attempt to
persuade applicants to choose correct Roman names. Many application
have rather unRoman names, most applicants are grateful for the
effort we put into helping them with Roman names.

At the present moment two of my Scribae are doing extensive research
on male and female names. In the beginning of the summer I expect to
issue an edictum which will form a better guide for applicants and
which will set the needed rules for choosing names. If it is possible
I hope to also get needed changes to the Data Base.

At the present time I am following the tradition from the latest
Censors to not approve new Gentes other than in very special cases.
The reason for this is that we have too many one-person Gentes, at
least if we also consider that many Patres/Matres are capiti censi.
It seems as if the Censors are not made aware of applications for new
Gentes, I plan to soon appoint one more Scriba to handle these
applications manually until we may do it automatically.

>Caeso Fabius Quintilianus wrote:
>
>> Salve!
>>
>> When You apply for a new Gens there seem (I am new to this job) to be
>> _no_ automatic message to the Censors. As it is the Censors that
>> handle this proceedure that will mean that the whole process stops. I
>> will cc my Colleague who manage the Data base (I am no computer wiz,
>> but he is) and ask him till look into this.
>
>I am in the same boat as others. It's been over a month - I think - since I
>applied and I haven't heard anything. I emailed the Censors yesterday and
>they haven't responded yet. I wasn't sure what else to do, but it looks
>like there are other eager applicants having the same problems. [How
>wonderful that Nova Roma has so many people beating down the doors to become
>citizens!]
>
>I, too, picked a new gens name. I didn't realize it would cause any
>problems and I didn't want to intrude on an already existing gens. I
>realize now that requesting membership to an existing gens is the preferred
>method. I like the gens name that I picked, Cornificius. I feel a bit of a
>connection with the man who bought Pompey's house that I can't explain. And
>I'd be willing to do some work to help make sure the gens doesn't stay a
>one-woman show.
>
>Salvete,
>Sulpicia Cornificius Sylvana (hopefully)
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>


--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21857 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Caeso Fabius Quintilianus wrote:
>
> Salve!
>
> I will contact You privately in a day or two!
>
> Please remember that I and my Scribae are doing our job on our spare
> time. I am working with the Censorial tasks about two hours per day
> and also doing a teacgher's work tat takes more than 10 hours per
> day. Your mail to the Censors arrived 16 hours ago and I hope that
> You will accept that someone working on spare time takes more time
> than that. I hope to answer your private mail tomorrow.
>
> I recommend that applicants expect to wait at least fourteen days
> before becoming worried. I would further recommend that applicants
> contact their possible Pater/Mater familias before they contact the
> Censors as the problem nearly always is that the Pater/Mater is
> ockupied or inactive.
>
> I and my Scribae are putting much effort and time in an attempt to
> persuade applicants to choose correct Roman names. Many application
> have rather unRoman names, most applicants are grateful for the
> effort we put into helping them with Roman names.
>
> At the present moment two of my Scribae are doing extensive research
> on male and female names. In the beginning of the summer I expect to
> issue an edictum which will form a better guide for applicants and
> which will set the needed rules for choosing names. If it is possible
> I hope to also get needed changes to the Data Base.
>
> At the present time I am following the tradition from the latest
> Censors to not approve new Gentes other than in very special cases.
> The reason for this is that we have too many one-person Gentes, at
> least if we also consider that many Patres/Matres are capiti censi.
> It seems as if the Censors are not made aware of applications for new
> Gentes, I plan to soon appoint one more Scriba to handle these
> applications manually until we may do it automatically.
>
> >Caeso Fabius Quintilianus wrote:
> >
> >> Salve!
> >>
> >> When You apply for a new Gens there seem (I am new to this job) to
> be
> >> _no_ automatic message to the Censors. As it is the Censors that
> >> handle this proceedure that will mean that the whole process
> stops. I
> >> will cc my Colleague who manage the Data base (I am no computer
> wiz,
> >> but he is) and ask him till look into this.
> >
> >I am in the same boat as others. It's been over a month - I think -
> since I
> >applied and I haven't heard anything. I emailed the Censors
> yesterday and
> >they haven't responded yet. I wasn't sure what else to do, but it
> looks
> >like there are other eager applicants having the same problems. [How
> >wonderful that Nova Roma has so many people beating down the doors to
> become
> >citizens!]
> >
> >I, too, picked a new gens name. I didn't realize it would cause any
> >problems and I didn't want to intrude on an already existing gens. I
> >realize now that requesting membership to an existing gens is the
> preferred
> >method. I like the gens name that I picked, Cornificius. I feel a
> bit of a
> >connection with the man who bought Pompey's house that I can't
> explain. And
> >I'd be willing to do some work to help make sure the gens doesn't
> stay a
> >one-woman show.
> >
> >Salvete,
> >Sulpicia Cornificius Sylvana (hopefully)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
>
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Censor, Consularis et Senator
> Proconsul Thules
> Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
> Civis Romanus sum
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************************************************
> Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> * To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/
>
> * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21858 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Sorry - I hit hre wrong button

Ave Quintiliane,

Can I help?

Celetrus

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus wrote:
>
> Salve!
>
> I will contact You privately in a day or two!
>
> Please remember that I and my Scribae are doing our job on our spare
> time. I am working with the Censorial tasks about two hours per day
> and also doing a teacgher's work tat takes more than 10 hours per
> day. Your mail to the Censors arrived 16 hours ago and I hope that
> You will accept that someone working on spare time takes more time
> than that. I hope to answer your private mail tomorrow.
>
> I recommend that applicants expect to wait at least fourteen days
> before becoming worried. I would further recommend that applicants
> contact their possible Pater/Mater familias before they contact the
> Censors as the problem nearly always is that the Pater/Mater is
> ockupied or inactive.
>
> I and my Scribae are putting much effort and time in an attempt to
> persuade applicants to choose correct Roman names. Many application
> have rather unRoman names, most applicants are grateful for the
> effort we put into helping them with Roman names.
>
> At the present moment two of my Scribae are doing extensive research
> on male and female names. In the beginning of the summer I expect to
> issue an edictum which will form a better guide for applicants and
> which will set the needed rules for choosing names. If it is possible
> I hope to also get needed changes to the Data Base.
>
> At the present time I am following the tradition from the latest
> Censors to not approve new Gentes other than in very special cases.
> The reason for this is that we have too many one-person Gentes, at
> least if we also consider that many Patres/Matres are capiti censi.
> It seems as if the Censors are not made aware of applications for new
> Gentes, I plan to soon appoint one more Scriba to handle these
> applications manually until we may do it automatically.
>
> >Caeso Fabius Quintilianus wrote:
> >
> >> Salve!
> >>
> >> When You apply for a new Gens there seem (I am new to this job) to
> be
> >> _no_ automatic message to the Censors. As it is the Censors that
> >> handle this proceedure that will mean that the whole process
> stops. I
> >> will cc my Colleague who manage the Data base (I am no computer
> wiz,
> >> but he is) and ask him till look into this.
> >
> >I am in the same boat as others. It's been over a month - I think -
> since I
> >applied and I haven't heard anything. I emailed the Censors
> yesterday and
> >they haven't responded yet. I wasn't sure what else to do, but it
> looks
> >like there are other eager applicants having the same problems. [How
> >wonderful that Nova Roma has so many people beating down the doors to
> become
> >citizens!]
> >
> >I, too, picked a new gens name. I didn't realize it would cause any
> >problems and I didn't want to intrude on an already existing gens. I
> >realize now that requesting membership to an existing gens is the
> preferred
> >method. I like the gens name that I picked, Cornificius. I feel a
> bit of a
> >connection with the man who bought Pompey's house that I can't
> explain. And
> >I'd be willing to do some work to help make sure the gens doesn't
> stay a
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21859 From: Pompeia Cornelia Strabo Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA SEMIFINALS
From: Pompeia Cornelia <pompeia_cornelia@...>
To: scriba_forum@...
Subject: Fwd: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA SEMIFINALS
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 11:33:26 -0700 (PDT)


--- Pompeia Cornelia Strabo <scriba_forum@...>
>wrote:
From: "Pompeia Cornelia Strabo" <scriba_forum@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA
SEMIFINALS
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:06:52 +0000




GREETINGS TO THE REPUBLIC OF NOVA ROMA, HER FRIENDS
AND ALLIES... AND
WELCOME!!!
WE PRESENT YOU THE SEMIFINALS OF THE LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA!!!
_______________________________________________________________________________

The crowd is ecstatic today, breaking sound
barriers! I can't hear myself
'think' much less 'hear' what I am actually
saying!!!
Each individual no doubt anticipating the heightened
action....Gladiator
against Gladiator, skill against skill,
victory vs. loss.

Who will declare themselves victorious today? Who
will outsmart defeat?
Quirites, in
a short time we shall surely find out!



*****

Before we commence, let us take a brief recap of the
various types of gladiators who have taken part in this event, some of whom
you will see in
action today!





RETIARIUS: His weapon is the net, the trident and a
dagger. His
defenses are a protection of arm (manica), that
includes the
shoulder.

THRAEX: His weapon is a curved sword (sicca). His
defenses are a
closed hull, the crest of the hull has the shape of
faucet, a
quadrangular small shield (parmula), long metallic
shin pads up to
the thigh and protection in right arm.

SECUTOR: His weapon is a short sword (gladius). His
defenses are
closed smooth hull, rectangular big shield (scutum),
protection in
right arm and legs. Normally fights only against
retiarii.

DIMACHAERUS: His weapons are two curved swords
(siccae). His
defenses are protections in arms and legs.


WHAT'S THIS? AND WHO OF ALL PEOPLE????

It's none other than Tiberius Annaeus Otho, winner
of the Venationes of
yesterday, with his
crowd of friends and admirers. He has his gladiator
Tylusius competing in
the semis today, AND
in a sneaky and unusually spiteful manner, has hired
the suburbian rappers
Cornelius Lentulus
used in yesterday's Ludi quarters.

But today, the shoe's on the other foot...these guys
(who obviously *play*
for the audience
who $$pays$$ them) are dissing Cornelius big time!
Yesterday they were
roasting Otho and his glad Tylusius!! Just listen
to this!

Cornelius forfeited his winning days yesterday
Thought he could smash us like he was 'Cashus Clay''
Bring all the glads yo have, we'll send'm packin on
journeys
Stiff and flat on their backs, recumbant on guernies
(stretchers)
Defeat them with a beat'n we call 'cardiac
arrhythmia'
Their lifelines be scribbled artifacts, mined from
a dig in India

Oh how bold!!! Can you imagine **our** Tiberius
hiring such a 'raw
vandetta' to berate
a defeated opponent.....? Well there you have
it....I certainly 'hope' that
his Glad
can come accross for him today!

Ludi Security is rushing in to break up this
impromptu show, and to clear
the arena
because the games are about to begin!




THE FIRST COMPETITORS OF THE SEMIFINALS!!!


Cicero, a Tharax Glad sponsored by Citizen Aulus
Ambrosius
(wonder how is grieving Mater is doing, after
Twinkletoes' defeat?)
vs.
Tylusius (Retiarius) by Tiberius Annaeus Otho




Cicero and Tylusius, once again. After many staged
fights the
fighters are standing facing each other, on more
serious ground.
What? Tylusius has lost his net, already??? Bet
he's nervous,
but that trident with shiny metal spikes is still a
bad threat to
Cicero with sword and shield. The crowd cheers and
the fighters
start to move, Cicero takes one step left, Tylusius
turns to face
him again and suddenly strikes with his trident to
the shield of
Cicero and the hit is hard enough for Cicero to
loose his grip and
the shield is gone!

Tylusius now goes to attack again.... trying to gain
advantage of the surprise, but Cicero throws himself
to the side and
escapes the deadly hit of the trident only by
fractions of inches. But
Cicero is quickly up on his feet and manages to hit
the unprotected arm
of Tylusius who now drops his dagger. The fighters
are starting to
feel the strain of the battle in their bodies and
the crowd is
cheering all the time. The Sun is up and shines
brightly!

Then ...................

Cicero puts all his strength to a high tempo attack
against Tylusius
who is surprised and has to concentrate countering
the fast strokes
of the sword of Cicero by his heavy trident. WHAT A
FIGHT!!! Cicero is
loosing his strength and Tylusius has withdraw his
back against the
wall. Then Tylusius sees an opportunity and strikes,
but it seems
that Cicero is not quite as tired as Tylusius thinks
and misses his target.
Cicero then jumps forward and places the sharp blade
of his sword to
the neck of Tylusius and stops. Tylusius has lost
the fight but the
crowd gives the only possible final decision about
the fight by
cheering to both brave fighters and letting Tylusius
live.

Ave to such a benevolent crowd and to such an evenly
matched
encounter in the arena! Ahh, I *don't* think
Tylusius or Otho
will be throwing out any rap 'disses' for a while
though :O


OUR SECOND ENCOUNTER OF THE SEMIFINALS.....!!!

The crowd roars at the approach of:


Atticus (Dimachaerus) by Aulus Ambrosius
vs.
Cunovinda (Retiarius) by Septima Fabia Vera Fausta


OH NO....I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT I'VE JUST RECEIVED A
BULLETIN, WHICH I'VE
BEEN INSTRUCTED TO READ

In yesterday's Ludi there were rumours of danger of
a Viking invasion, after
a certain set of persons
(whose names will NOT be mentioned) **may** or **may
not** have been
responsible for the oral transmission of **magic
mushrooms** to a certain
viking competitor in yesterday's games. "Not" that
I would expect, ahh,
say, Cunovinda the Retarius to know anything about
that....**surely** not!

The bulletin reads: CENSORS HAVE PICKED UP THE NECK
OF A VIKING SHIP

There you have the news..........OH WAIT, I'VE JUST
BEEN HANDED ANOTHER
BULLETIN....THIS IS FROM THE SENATE OF ROME!!!

OFFICIAL STATEMENT OF THE SENATE TO THE CENSORS:
***PULEEZE PROCEED WITH
YOUR DUTIES OF ADMITTING NEW CITIZENS AND GUARDING
THE PUBLIC MORALITY
INSTEAD OF WASTING YOUR TIME LOOTING BOAT
SHOPS!!!!!!****

Yowsssaaa....I guess they were told, eh??
So much for that.......



THE FIGHTING ENSUES:

The net of Cunovinda that
trapped Orm R�de in the quarters serves well also in
this fight and Atticus is now trapped.....Oh she is
soooo quick this one!
Not even this fast moving Greek
can do anything to the heavy deadly hit by
Cunovindas trident
striking through his chest. Atticus fought bravely,
but his main
strength and agility could not match the swift feet
and strong will of
Cunovinda.

But the owner of Atticus does not need feel ashamed
like
the relatives of certain viking warrior as Atticus
came through with his
best, fighting a good battle and dying bravely, the
way he wanted
to meet his end. A veteran fighter to many
contests, he will be
honoured and missed.


SO CICERO AND CUNOVINDA WILL SQUARE OFF IN THE
FINALS!

Aulus Ambrosia and Septima Fabia Vera Fausta will be
on eggshells for the
next couple of days....whose glad will be the
victor????.......the saga of
the Ludi Megalesia Munera Gladiatoria shall continue
soon.......

Until then...Bene valete!!!!!!!


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21860 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Historical Contest: Answers to quiz II and Questions III
SALVETE QVIRITES!

Here the answer to the question we've asked you yesterday!

Quiz n.2 - In what activities did Ludi Megalesia mostly consist of?
Where were they usually celebrated? Who were the priests dedicated to
them?

Answer:
The games which were held at the Megalesia were purely scenic, and not
circenses.
They were firstly held on the Palatine Hill in front of the temple of
the goddess, but afterwards also in the theatres. The first ludi scenici
at Rome were infact, according to Valerius Antias, introduced at the
Megalesia Ludi, i.e. either in 193 or 191 b.C.
The priests dedicated to these Ludi were called “Galli”, and were
eunuchs.


TEMPORARY CLASSIFICATION HISTORICAL CONTEST MAGNA MATER
According to the answers received, we now have:

3 pts. Quintus Lanius Paulinus; Caius Ianus Flaminius; Gnaeus Equitius
Marinus
2 pts. Gaius Lanius Falco; Titus Octavius Pius;

Here follows the third question for the Historical Contest!

Quiz n.3 - From where was taken the black stone representing Magna
Mater? And where was it first placed when it reached Rome?

we are waiting for you answers, and remember that you have just to write
at mm_quiz@... (mm_quiz AT yahoo DOT com). The term for sending
the answers will be tomorrow 7th at 19 Roman Time.

It's not important if you haven't done yesterday: YOU can begin now!



valete

M IVL PERVSIANVS
L IVL SVLLA
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21861 From: Yvonne Rathbone Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
First, I want to say how much I appreciate the effort that goes into your
work. I certainly did not mean to sound critical and I hope you didn't take
it that way. Instead, I would suggest that feedback from recent applicants
could make your work easier as it might lead to changes in procedure that
reduces regular and time-consuming problems. I present the following solely
for the purpose of helping your job to be easier and helping to improve the
application procedure.

I was just recently notified offlist that Sulpicia is not a regular women's
praenomen, but I'd never be able to tell that from the website. The Nova
Roman webpage on choosing a name describes some of the issues around womens
names and then lists a bunch of names. As I don't see how maintaining Roman
naming practices for women works with the modern the modern gender roles
that have been introduced into Nova Roma (particularly the existence of the
materfamilia) I choose a name from the list. It seemed to echo an
established prerepublic practice that I assumed was acceptable because of
the layout of the Nova Roma webpage. Now I understand that I may regret
this decision, and yet looking back at the website, I don't see how I would
have done anything differently based on the information that is there.

The selection of a gens is also less than clear. I was not informed that my
application would be held up by selecting a new gens, just that it was
preferred that I select an already existing gens. I was thinking I would,
but frankly, I couldn't quite grasp how to do so, and it seemed intrusive
somehow. What was unclear to me was what criteria one might use to select a
gens. What are the ramifications of belonging to a gens? Which gentes want
new people they've never met? Once I've selected an existing gens as a
possibility, who do I email? Some gentes had webpages with very clear
indications of who to write. Others were hard to contact.

If was difficult for me to figure out a gens that seemed like a good match,
was local enough to make sense joining, and had clear contact information.
In the end, I chose a new gens because all signs seemed to point to that. I
really like the name I chose and would gladly take on the responsibility of
attracting more members as I do not want to be the only person in my gens.

All this again, is given to help us all understand the process better, as
critique not criticism. Perhaps understanding where applicatants are
getting caught up will help smooth out some of the bumps. This can only be
good for Nova Roma as it will make the jobs of the officials easier and more
efficient.

-Yvonne/Sulpicia

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus wrote:

> Salve!
>
> I will contact You privately in a day or two!
>
> Please remember that I and my Scribae are doing our job on our spare
> time. I am working with the Censorial tasks about two hours per day
> and also doing a teacgher's work tat takes more than 10 hours per
> day. Your mail to the Censors arrived 16 hours ago and I hope that
> You will accept that someone working on spare time takes more time
> than that. I hope to answer your private mail tomorrow.
>
> I recommend that applicants expect to wait at least fourteen days
> before becoming worried. I would further recommend that applicants
> contact their possible Pater/Mater familias before they contact the
> Censors as the problem nearly always is that the Pater/Mater is
> ockupied or inactive.
>
> I and my Scribae are putting much effort and time in an attempt to
> persuade applicants to choose correct Roman names. Many application
> have rather unRoman names, most applicants are grateful for the
> effort we put into helping them with Roman names.
>
> At the present moment two of my Scribae are doing extensive research
> on male and female names. In the beginning of the summer I expect to
> issue an edictum which will form a better guide for applicants and
> which will set the needed rules for choosing names. If it is possible
> I hope to also get needed changes to the Data Base.
>
> At the present time I am following the tradition from the latest
> Censors to not approve new Gentes other than in very special cases.
> The reason for this is that we have too many one-person Gentes, at
> least if we also consider that many Patres/Matres are capiti censi.
> It seems as if the Censors are not made aware of applications for new
> Gentes, I plan to soon appoint one more Scriba to handle these
> applications manually until we may do it automatically.
>
>> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus wrote:
>>
>>> Salve!
>>>
>>> When You apply for a new Gens there seem (I am new to this job) to be
>>> _no_ automatic message to the Censors. As it is the Censors that
>>> handle this proceedure that will mean that the whole process stops. I
>>> will cc my Colleague who manage the Data base (I am no computer wiz,
>>> but he is) and ask him till look into this.
>>
>> I am in the same boat as others. It's been over a month - I think - since I
>> applied and I haven't heard anything. I emailed the Censors yesterday and
>> they haven't responded yet. I wasn't sure what else to do, but it looks
>> like there are other eager applicants having the same problems. [How
>> wonderful that Nova Roma has so many people beating down the doors to become
>> citizens!]
>>
>> I, too, picked a new gens name. I didn't realize it would cause any
>> problems and I didn't want to intrude on an already existing gens. I
>> realize now that requesting membership to an existing gens is the preferred
>> method. I like the gens name that I picked, Cornificius. I feel a bit of a
>> connection with the man who bought Pompey's house that I can't explain. And
>> I'd be willing to do some work to help make sure the gens doesn't stay a
>> one-woman show.
>>
>> Salvete,
>> Sulpicia Cornificius Sylvana (hopefully)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21862 From: pompeia_cornelia Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: (no subject)
---

Salvete Iulius Sulla et Omnes:

I have taken the time to read these thought provoking and informative
answers by the Professor in response to the questions posed by both
Consuls.

You have done well to coordinate this excellent project. My thanks
and congratulations!

Pompeia

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Iulius" <21aprile@e...> wrote:
> SALVETE OMNES
>
> Interview the Expert.
> Now you can read the interesting interview to Prof. Poliseno here:
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/expert/feb04.htm
>
> VALETE!
> L IUL SULLA
> Academia Italica
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21863 From: jacobs_43@yahoo.com Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Artwork from the Aeneid
I'm looking for good sources of artwork from the Aeneid on the web.
Does anybody know of any good sites?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21864 From: StarVVreck@aol.com Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: SPQR
The SPQR symbol is also displayed on Nova Roma's coinage. They are
currently sold out, except for 1 being sold on eBay:
_http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4736&item=3906126656&ssPageName=STRK:MESSE:IT_
(http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4736&item=3906126656&ssPageName
=STRK:MESSE:IT)


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21865 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA SEMIFINALS
rom: Pompeia Cornelia <pompeia_cornelia@...>
To: scriba_forum@...
Subject: Fwd: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA SEMIFINALS
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 11:33:26 -0700 (PDT)


--- Pompeia Cornelia Strabo <scriba_forum@...>
>wrote:
From: "Pompeia Cornelia Strabo" <scriba_forum@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA
SEMIFINALS
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:06:52 +0000




GREETINGS TO THE REPUBLIC OF NOVA ROMA, HER FRIENDS
AND ALLIES... AND
WELCOME!!!
WE PRESENT YOU THE SEMIFINALS OF THE LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA
GLADIATORIA!!!
_______________________________________________________________________________

The crowd is ecstatic today, breaking sound
barriers! I can't hear myself
'think' much less 'hear' what I am actually
saying!!!
Each individual no doubt anticipating the heightened
action....Gladiator
against Gladiator, skill against skill,
victory vs. loss.

Who will declare themselves victorious today? Who
will outsmart defeat?
Quirites, in
a short time we shall surely find out!



*****

Before we commence, let us take a brief recap of the
various types of gladiators who have taken part in this event, some of
whom
you will see in
action today!





RETIARIUS: His weapon is the net, the trident and a
dagger. His
defenses are a protection of arm (manica), that
includes the
shoulder.

THRAEX: His weapon is a curved sword (sicca). His
defenses are a
closed hull, the crest of the hull has the shape of
faucet, a
quadrangular small shield (parmula), long metallic
shin pads up to
the thigh and protection in right arm.

SECUTOR: His weapon is a short sword (gladius). His
defenses are
closed smooth hull, rectangular big shield (scutum),
protection in
right arm and legs. Normally fights only against
retiarii.

DIMACHAERUS: His weapons are two curved swords
(siccae). His
defenses are protections in arms and legs.


WHAT'S THIS? AND WHO OF ALL PEOPLE????

It's none other than Tiberius Annaeus Otho, winner
of the Venationes of
yesterday, with his
crowd of friends and admirers. He has his gladiator
Tylusius competing in
the semis today, AND
in a sneaky and unusually spiteful manner, has hired
the suburbian rappers
Cornelius Lentulus
used in yesterday's Ludi quarters.

But today, the shoe's on the other foot...these guys
(who obviously *play*
for the audience
who $$pays$$ them) are dissing Cornelius big time!
Yesterday they were
roasting Otho and his glad Tylusius!! Just listen
to this!

Cornelius forfeited his winning days yesterday
Thought he could smash us like he was 'Cashus Clay''
Bring all the glads yo have, we'll send'm packin on
journeys
Stiff and flat on their backs, recumbant on guernies
(stretchers)
Defeat them with a beat'n we call 'cardiac
arrhythmia'
Their lifelines be scribbled artifacts, mined from
a dig in India

Oh how bold!!! Can you imagine **our** Tiberius
hiring such a 'raw
vandetta' to berate
a defeated opponent.....? Well there you have
it....I certainly 'hope' that
his Glad
can come accross for him today!

Ludi Security is rushing in to break up this
impromptu show, and to clear
the arena
because the games are about to begin!




THE FIRST COMPETITORS OF THE SEMIFINALS!!!


Cicero, a Tharax Glad sponsored by Citizen Aulus
Ambrosius
(wonder how is grieving Mater is doing, after
Twinkletoes' defeat?)
vs.
Tylusius (Retiarius) by Tiberius Annaeus Otho




Cicero and Tylusius, once again. After many staged
fights the
fighters are standing facing each other, on more
serious ground.
What? Tylusius has lost his net, already??? Bet
he's nervous,
but that trident with shiny metal spikes is still a
bad threat to
Cicero with sword and shield. The crowd cheers and
the fighters
start to move, Cicero takes one step left, Tylusius
turns to face
him again and suddenly strikes with his trident to
the shield of
Cicero and the hit is hard enough for Cicero to
loose his grip and
the shield is gone!

Tylusius now goes to attack again.... trying to gain
advantage of the surprise, but Cicero throws himself
to the side and
escapes the deadly hit of the trident only by
fractions of inches. But
Cicero is quickly up on his feet and manages to hit
the unprotected arm
of Tylusius who now drops his dagger. The fighters
are starting to
feel the strain of the battle in their bodies and
the crowd is
cheering all the time. The Sun is up and shines
brightly!

Then ...................

Cicero puts all his strength to a high tempo attack
against Tylusius
who is surprised and has to concentrate countering
the fast strokes
of the sword of Cicero by his heavy trident. WHAT A
FIGHT!!! Cicero is
loosing his strength and Tylusius has withdraw his
back against the
wall. Then Tylusius sees an opportunity and strikes,
but it seems
that Cicero is not quite as tired as Tylusius thinks
and misses his target.
Cicero then jumps forward and places the sharp blade
of his sword to
the neck of Tylusius and stops. Tylusius has lost
the fight but the
crowd gives the only possible final decision about
the fight by
cheering to both brave fighters and letting Tylusius
live.

Ave to such a benevolent crowd and to such an evenly
matched
encounter in the arena! Ahh, I *don't* think
Tylusius or Otho
will be throwing out any rap 'disses' for a while
though :O


OUR SECOND ENCOUNTER OF THE SEMIFINALS.....!!!

The crowd roars at the approach of:


Atticus (Dimachaerus) by Aulus Ambrosius
vs.
Cunovinda (Retiarius) by Septima Fabia Vera Fausta


OH NO....I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT I'VE JUST RECEIVED A
BULLETIN, WHICH I'VE
BEEN INSTRUCTED TO READ

In yesterday's Ludi there were rumours of danger of
a Viking invasion, after
a certain set of persons
(whose names will NOT be mentioned) **may** or **may
not** have been
responsible for the oral transmission of **magic
mushrooms** to a certain
viking competitor in yesterday's games. "Not" that
I would expect, ahh,
say, Cunovinda the Retarius to know anything about
that....**surely** not!

The bulletin reads: CENSORS HAVE PICKED UP THE NECK
OF A VIKING SHIP

There you have the news..........OH WAIT, I'VE JUST
BEEN HANDED ANOTHER
BULLETIN....THIS IS FROM THE SENATE OF ROME!!!

OFFICIAL STATEMENT OF THE SENATE TO THE CENSORS:
***PULEEZE PROCEED WITH
YOUR DUTIES OF ADMITTING NEW CITIZENS AND GUARDING
THE PUBLIC MORALITY
INSTEAD OF WASTING YOUR TIME LOOTING BOAT
SHOPS!!!!!!****

Yowsssaaa....I guess they were told, eh??
So much for that.......



THE FIGHTING ENSUES:

The net of Cunovinda that
trapped Orm Röde in the quarters serves well also in
this fight and Atticus is now trapped.....Oh she is
soooo quick this one!
Not even this fast moving Greek
can do anything to the heavy deadly hit by
Cunovindas trident
striking through his chest. Atticus fought bravely,
but his main
strength and agility could not match the swift feet
and strong will of
Cunovinda.

But the owner of Atticus does not need feel ashamed
like
the relatives of certain viking warrior as Atticus
came through with his
best, fighting a good battle and dying bravely, the
way he wanted
to meet his end. A veteran fighter to many
contests, he will be
honoured and missed.


SO CICERO AND CUNOVINDA WILL SQUARE OFF IN THE
FINALS!

Aulus Ambrosia and Septima Fabia Vera Fausta will be
on eggshells for the
next couple of days....whose glad will be the
victor????.......the saga of
the Ludi Megalesia Munera Gladiatoria shall continue
soon.......

Until then...Bene valete!!!!!!!


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Pompeia Cornelia Strabo wrote:
>
> From: Pompeia Cornelia <pompeia_cornelia@...>
> To: scriba_forum@...
> Subject: Fwd: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA SEMIFINALS
> Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2004 11:33:26 -0700 (PDT)
>
> --- Pompeia Cornelia Strabo <scriba_forum@...>
> >wrote:
> From: "Pompeia Cornelia Strabo" <scriba_forum@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA
> SEMIFINALS
> Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 15:06:52 +0000
>
> GREETINGS TO THE REPUBLIC OF NOVA ROMA, HER FRIENDS
> AND ALLIES... AND
> WELCOME!!!
> WE PRESENT YOU THE SEMIFINALS OF THE LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA!!!
> _______________________________________________________________________________
>
> The crowd is ecstatic today, breaking sound
> barriers! I can't hear myself
> 'think' much less 'hear' what I am actually
> saying!!!
> Each individual no doubt anticipating the heightened
> action....Gladiator
> against Gladiator, skill against skill,
> victory vs. loss.
>
> Who will declare themselves victorious today? Who
> will outsmart defeat?
> Quirites, in
> a short time we shall surely find out!
>
> *****
>
> Before we commence, let us take a brief recap of the
> various types of gladiators who have taken part in this event, some of whom
> you will see in
> action today!
>
> RETIARIUS: His weapon is the net, the trident and a
> dagger. His
> defenses are a protection of arm (manica), that
> includes the
> shoulder.
>
> THRAEX: His weapon is a curved sword (sicca). His
> defenses are a
> closed hull, the crest of the hull has the shape of
> faucet, a
> quadrangular small shield (parmula), long metallic
> shin pads up to
> the thigh and protection in right arm.
>
> SECUTOR: His weapon is a short sword (gladius). His
> defenses are
> closed smooth hull, rectangular big shield (scutum),
> protection in
> right arm and legs. Normally fights only against
> retiarii.
>
> DIMACHAERUS: His weapons are two curved swords
> (siccae). His
> defenses are protections in arms and legs.
>
> WHAT'S THIS? AND WHO OF ALL PEOPLE????
>
> It's none other than Tiberius Annaeus Otho, winner
> of the Venationes of
> yesterday, with his
> crowd of friends and admirers. He has his gladiator
> Tylusius competing in
> the semis today, AND
> in a sneaky and unusually spiteful manner, has hired
> the suburbian rappers
> Cornelius Lentulus
> used in yesterday's Ludi quarters.
>
> But today, the shoe's on the other foot...these guys
> (who obviously *play*
> for the audience
> who $$pays$$ them) are dissing Cornelius big time!
> Yesterday they were
> roasting Otho and his glad Tylusius!! Just listen
> to this!
>
> Cornelius forfeited his winning days yesterday
> Thought he could smash us like he was 'Cashus Clay''
> Bring all the glads yo have, we'll send'm packin on
> journeys
> Stiff and flat on their backs, recumbant on guernies
> (stretchers)
> Defeat them with a beat'n we call 'cardiac
> arrhythmia'
> Their lifelines be scribbled artifacts, mined from
> a dig in India
>
> Oh how bold!!! Can you imagine **our** Tiberius
> hiring such a 'raw
> vandetta' to berate
> a defeated opponent.....? Well there you have
> it....I certainly 'hope' that
> his Glad
> can come accross for him today!
>
> Ludi Security is rushing in to break up this
> impromptu show, and to clear
> the arena
> because the games are about to begin!
>
> THE FIRST COMPETITORS OF THE SEMIFINALS!!!
>
> Cicero, a Tharax Glad sponsored by Citizen Aulus
> Ambrosius
> (wonder how is grieving Mater is doing, after
> Twinkletoes' defeat?)
> vs.
> Tylusius (Retiarius) by Tiberius Annaeus Otho
>
> Cicero and Tylusius, once again. After many staged
> fights the
> fighters are standing facing each other, on more
> serious ground.
> What? Tylusius has lost his net, already??? Bet
> he's nervous,
> but that trident with shiny metal spikes is still a
> bad threat to
> Cicero with sword and shield. The crowd cheers and
> the fighters
> start to move, Cicero takes one step left, Tylusius
> turns to face
> him again and suddenly strikes with his trident to
> the shield of
> Cicero and the hit is hard enough for Cicero to
> loose his grip and
> the shield is gone!
>
> Tylusius now goes to attack again.... trying to gain
> advantage of the surprise, but Cicero throws himself
> to the side and
> escapes the deadly hit of the trident only by
> fractions of inches. But
> Cicero is quickly up on his feet and manages to hit
> the unprotected arm
> of Tylusius who now drops his dagger. The fighters
> are starting to
> feel the strain of the battle in their bodies and
> the crowd is
> cheering all the time. The Sun is up and shines
> brightly!
>
> Then ...................
>
> Cicero puts all his strength to a high tempo attack
> against Tylusius
> who is surprised and has to concentrate countering
> the fast strokes
> of the sword of Cicero by his heavy trident. WHAT A
> FIGHT!!! Cicero is
> loosing his strength and Tylusius has withdraw his
> back against the
> wall. Then Tylusius sees an opportunity and strikes,
> but it seems
> that Cicero is not quite as tired as Tylusius thinks
> and misses his target.
> Cicero then jumps forward and places the sharp blade
> of his sword to
> the neck of Tylusius and stops. Tylusius has lost
> the fight but the
> crowd gives the only possible final decision about
> the fight by
> cheering to both brave fighters and letting Tylusius
> live.
>
> Ave to such a benevolent crowd and to such an evenly
> matched
> encounter in the arena! Ahh, I *don't* think
> Tylusius or Otho
> will be throwing out any rap 'disses' for a while
> though :O
>
> OUR SECOND ENCOUNTER OF THE SEMIFINALS.....!!!
>
> The crowd roars at the approach of:
>
> Atticus (Dimachaerus) by Aulus Ambrosius
> vs.
> Cunovinda (Retiarius) by Septima Fabia Vera Fausta
>
> OH NO....I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT I'VE JUST RECEIVED A
> BULLETIN, WHICH I'VE
> BEEN INSTRUCTED TO READ
>
> In yesterday's Ludi there were rumours of danger of
> a Viking invasion, after
> a certain set of persons
> (whose names will NOT be mentioned) **may** or **may
> not** have been
> responsible for the oral transmission of **magic
> mushrooms** to a certain
> viking competitor in yesterday's games. "Not" that
> I would expect, ahh,
> say, Cunovinda the Retarius to know anything about
> that....**surely** not!
>
> The bulletin reads: CENSORS HAVE PICKED UP THE NECK
> OF A VIKING SHIP
>
> There you have the news..........OH WAIT, I'VE JUST
> BEEN HANDED ANOTHER
> BULLETIN....THIS IS FROM THE SENATE OF ROME!!!
>
> OFFICIAL STATEMENT OF THE SENATE TO THE CENSORS:
> ***PULEEZE PROCEED WITH
> YOUR DUTIES OF ADMITTING NEW CITIZENS AND GUARDING
> THE PUBLIC MORALITY
> INSTEAD OF WASTING YOUR TIME LOOTING BOAT
> SHOPS!!!!!!****
>
> Yowsssaaa....I guess they were told, eh??
> So much for that.......
>
> THE FIGHTING ENSUES:
>
> The net of Cunovinda that
> trapped Orm Röde in the quarters serves well also in
> this fight and Atticus is now trapped.....Oh she is
> soooo quick this one!
> Not even this fast moving Greek
> can do anything to the heavy deadly hit by
> Cunovindas trident
> striking through his chest. Atticus fought bravely,
> but his main
> strength and agility could not match the swift feet
> and strong will of
> Cunovinda.
>
> But the owner of Atticus does not need feel ashamed
> like
> the relatives of certain viking warrior as Atticus
> came through with his
> best, fighting a good battle and dying bravely, the
> way he wanted
> to meet his end. A veteran fighter to many
> contests, he will be
> honoured and missed.
>
> SO CICERO AND CUNOVINDA WILL SQUARE OFF IN THE
> FINALS!
>
> Aulus Ambrosia and Septima Fabia Vera Fausta will be
> on eggshells for the
> next couple of days....whose glad will be the
> victor????.......the saga of
> the Ludi Megalesia Munera Gladiatoria shall continue
> soon.......
>
> Until then...Bene valete!!!!!!!
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21866 From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@aol.com Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
F. Galerius Aurelianus to L. Arminius Faustus. s.p.d.

I take exception to your advice that a perspective member should seek a gens
that has a Senator, Consul, or Governor as its paterfamilias. Also, the idea
of choosing a gens based on whether or not the paterfamilias or materfamilias
will act as a powerful patron seems to imply that you cannot get anywhere in
Nova Roma without a powerful patron or a gens head who is connected. You
cannot choose a gens based on such exclusive criteria and this has more likely
resulted in more people leaving NR when they discover there is no real connection
between your gens and how far you go in our organization. I chose my gens
based on the patron deities and it has turned out to be among the most active
gentes in the Republic for its size. It continues to grow despite not having a
Senator, Consul, or Governor as its materfamilias. Furthermore, its membership
has produced good citizens who are both active and taxpayers as well as
tribunes, rogators, sacerdoes, scribii, and curatores.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21867 From: TiAnO Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: FW: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA QUARTER FINALS
Wahooooo!!!!!!!! Tylusius, congratulations upon your win!! If anyone can read German and would like to get to know Tylus, the home of this wonderful gladiator, please go to www.tylus.ch.tt



Tiberius Annaeus Otho (TiAnO) Factio Praesina
Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21868 From: TiAnO Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALESIA VENATIONES
VICTORY!!!!!! VICTORY on the whole line!!!! Today is a great day for me and my familia, no for the whole Gens!!

My gladiator has survived the quarterfinals and my tiger, Felix, has brought honour upon him and myself!!

I will think up something very special for this wonderful animal!!!



Tiberius Annaeus Otho (TiAnO) Factio Praesina
Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
Homepage: http://www.tiano.ch.tt


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21869 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA SEMIFINALS
The Stoic died well. Cicero will continue. Eventually, I will learn how
to say "rap sucks."
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21870 From: Pompeia Cornelia Strabo Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA SEMIFINALS
GREETINGS TO THE REPUBLIC OF NOVA ROMA, HER FRIENDS AND ALLIES... AND
WELCOME!!!

WE PRESENT YOU THE SEMIFINALS OF THE LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA!!!
_______________________________________________________________________________

The crowd is ecstatic today, breaking sound barriers! I can't hear myself
'think' much less 'hear' what I am actually saying!!!
Each individual no doubt anticipating the heightened action....Gladiator
against Gladiator, skill against skill,
victory vs. loss.

Who will declare themselves victorious today? Who will outsmart defeat?
Quirites, in
a short time we shall surely find out!



*****

Before we commence, let us take a brief recap of the various types of
gladiators who have taken part in this event, some of whom you will see in
action today!





RETIARIUS: His weapon is the net, the trident and a dagger. His
defenses are a protection of arm (manica), that includes the
shoulder.

THRAEX: His weapon is a curved sword (sicca). His defenses are a
closed hull, the crest of the hull has the shape of faucet, a
quadrangular small shield (parmula), long metallic shin pads up to
the thigh and protection in right arm.

SECUTOR: His weapon is a short sword (gladius). His defenses are
closed smooth hull, rectangular big shield (scutum), protection in
right arm and legs. Normally fights only against retiarii.

DIMACHAERUS: His weapons are two curved swords (siccae). His
defenses are protections in arms and legs.


WHAT'S THIS? AND WHO OF ALL PEOPLE????

It's none other than Tiberius Annaeus Otho, winner of the Venationes of
yesterday, with his
crowd of friends and admirers. He has his gladiator Tylusius competing in
the semis today, AND
in a sneaky and unusually spiteful manner, has hired the suburbian rappers
Cornelius Lentulus
used in yesterday's Ludi quarters.

But today, the shoe's on the other foot...these guys (who obviously *play*
for the audience
who $$pays$$ them) are dissing Cornelius big time! Yesterday they were
roasting Otho and his glad Tylusius!! Just listen to this!

Cornelius forfeited his winning days yesterday
Thought he could smash us like he was 'Cashus Clay''
Bring all the glads yo have, we'll send'm packin on journeys
Stiff and flat on their backs, recumbant on guernies (stretchers)
Defeat them with a beat'n we call 'cardiac arrhythmia'
Their lifelines be scribbled artifacts, mined from a dig in India

Oh how bold!!! Can you imagine **our** Tiberius hiring such a 'raw
vandetta' to berate
a defeated opponent.....? Well there you have it....I certainly 'hope' that
his Glad
can come accross for him today!

Ludi Security is rushing in to break up this impromptu show, and to clear
the arena
because the games are about to begin!




THE FIRST COMPETITORS OF THE SEMIFINALS!!!


Cicero, a Tharax Glad sponsored by Citizen Aulus Ambrosius
(wonder how is grieving Mater is doing, after Twinkletoes' defeat?)
vs.
Tylusius (Retiarius) by Tiberius Annaeus Otho




Cicero and Tylusius, once again. After many staged fights the
fighters are standing facing each other, on more serious ground.
What? Tylusius has lost his net, already??? Bet he's nervous,
but that trident with shiny metal spikes is still a bad threat to
Cicero with sword and shield. The crowd cheers and the fighters
start to move, Cicero takes one step left, Tylusius turns to face
him again and suddenly strikes with his trident to the shield of
Cicero and the hit is hard enough for Cicero to loose his grip and
the shield is gone!

Tylusius now goes to attack again.... trying to gain
advantage of the surprise, but Cicero throws himself to the side and
escapes the deadly hit of the trident only by fractions of inches. But
Cicero is quickly up on his feet and manages to hit the unprotected arm
of Tylusius who now drops his dagger. The fighters are starting to
feel the strain of the battle in their bodies and the crowd is
cheering all the time. The Sun is up and shines brightly!

Then ...................

Cicero puts all his strength to a high tempo attack against Tylusius
who is surprised and has to concentrate countering the fast strokes
of the sword of Cicero by his heavy trident. WHAT A FIGHT!!! Cicero is
loosing his strength and Tylusius has withdraw his back against the
wall. Then Tylusius sees an opportunity and strikes, but it seems
that Cicero is not quite as tired as Tylusius thinks and misses his target.
Cicero then jumps forward and places the sharp blade of his sword to
the neck of Tylusius and stops. Tylusius has lost the fight but the
crowd gives the only possible final decision about the fight by
cheering to both brave fighters and letting Tylusius live.

Ave to such a benevolent crowd and to such an evenly matched
encounter in the arena! Ahh, I *don't* think Tylusius or Otho
will be throwing out any rap 'disses' for a while though :O


OUR SECOND ENCOUNTER OF THE SEMIFINALS.....!!!

The crowd roars at the approach of:


Atticus (Dimachaerus) by Aulus Ambrosius
vs.
Cunovinda (Retiarius) by Septima Fabia Vera Fausta


OH NO....I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT I'VE JUST RECEIVED A BULLETIN, WHICH I'VE
BEEN INSTRUCTED TO READ

In yesterday's Ludi there were rumours of danger of a Viking invasion, after
a certain set of persons
(whose names will NOT be mentioned) **may** or **may not** have been
responsible for the oral transmission of **magic mushrooms** to a certain
viking competitor in yesterday's games. "Not" that I would expect, ahh,
say, Cunovinda the Retarius to know anything about that....**surely** not!

The bulletin reads: CENSORS HAVE PICKED UP THE NECK OF A VIKING SHIP

There you have the news..........OH WAIT, I'VE JUST BEEN HANDED ANOTHER
BULLETIN....THIS IS FROM THE SENATE OF ROME!!!

OFFICIAL STATEMENT OF THE SENATE TO THE CENSORS: ***PULEEZE PROCEED WITH
YOUR DUTIES OF ADMITTING NEW CITIZENS AND GUARDING THE PUBLIC MORALITY
INSTEAD OF WASTING YOUR TIME LOOTING BOAT SHOPS!!!!!!****

Yowsssaaa....I guess they were told, eh??
So much for that.......



THE FIGHTING ENSUES:

The net of Cunovinda that
trapped Orm R�de in the quarters serves well also in
this fight and Atticus is now trapped.....Oh she is soooo quick this one!
Not even this fast moving Greek
can do anything to the heavy deadly hit by Cunovindas trident
striking through his chest. Atticus fought bravely, but his main
strength and agility could not match the swift feet and strong will of
Cunovinda.

But the owner of Atticus does not need feel ashamed like
the relatives of certain viking warrior as Atticus came through with his
best, fighting a good battle and dying bravely, the way he wanted
to meet his end. A veteran fighter to many contests, he will be
honoured and missed.


SO CICERO AND CUNOVINDA WILL SQUARE OFF IN THE FINALS!

Aulus Ambrosia and Septima Fabia Vera Fausta will be on eggshells for the
next couple of days....whose glad will be the victor????.......the saga of
the Ludi Megalesia Munera Gladiatoria shall continue soon.......

Until then...Bene valete!!!!!!!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21871 From: pompeia_cornelia Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Apologies for Double Posts
Salvete Omnes!

I had quite a time getting messages to this list for a while, and
consequently, more than one post of the Ludi Gladiatoria semifinals
has shown up. My apologies for overcluttering your individual
mailboxes and for the wasted bandwidth to the list.

Valete,
Pompeia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21872 From: FAC Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALESIA VENATIONES
> Unfortunate to say, but our glad has succumbed to the very hungry
and not so
> friendly bear, Otto Mesikammon.

Grrrr.... damned glad, I took of care him in a bedhuin tend for a
year in the desert with all the comforts and pleasure dreamed by a
man. And what I received ? ... I'll sell his family in the south of
Nubia as slaves and I'll buy a germanicus or hispanicus fighter ...

P.S.: ok, ok, it's a joke but please let me try to be a sad owner of
glads ;-)

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21873 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA SEMIFINALS
Ave Marines

Semper fidelis!!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21874 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
G. Iulius Scaurus Sulpiciae Cornificiae Silvanae salutem dicit.

Salve, Sulpicia Cornificia.

>I was just recently notified offlist that Sulpicia is not a regular women's
>praenomen, but I'd never be able to tell that from the website. The Nova
>Roman webpage on choosing a name describes some of the issues around womens
>names and then lists a bunch of names. As I don't see how maintaining Roman
>naming practices for women works with the modern the modern gender roles
>that have been introduced into Nova Roma (particularly the existence of the
>materfamilia) I choose a name from the list. It seemed to echo an
>established prerepublic practice that I assumed was acceptable because of
>the layout of the Nova Roma webpage. Now I understand that I may regret
>this decision, and yet looking back at the website, I don't see how I would
>have done anything differently based on the information that is there.
>

I would like to see the evidence that Sulpicia is not a female
praenomen, since any gentile nomen can be feminised to form the
praenomen of a daughter. There are over two hundred epigraphic
instances of the use of Sulpicia as a praenomen; I quote only ten of
them here from Manfred Clauss' epigraphic database:

Belegstelle: AE 1933, 00143
Provinz: Roma Ort: Roma Roma
Bonae Deae s(acrum) / Sulpicia Severa / Maior aedem / cum signo d(edit)
d(edicavit)

Belegstelle: AE 1919, 00049 = ILA-Sant 00108
Provinz: Aquitania Ort: Saintes / Mediolanum Santonum
Iulia Malla Malluronis / fil(ia) numinibus Augustorum et / deae Damonae
Matubergi/ni ob memoriam Sulpiciae / Silvanae fi[li]ae suae de suo / posuit

Belegstelle: AE 1975, 00484
Provinz: Lusitania Ort: Condeixa-a-Velha / Conimbriga
Condeixa-a-Velha / Conimbriga
[D(is)] M(anibus) / [Sulpiciae A]moe/[nae Tap]ori f(iliae) / [an(norum)
3 Su]lpicius / [3 coni]ux / [f(aciendum)] c(uravit)

Belegstelle: AE 1981, 00159
Provinz: Latium et Campania / Regio I Ort: Fiumicino / Portus
Fiumicino / Portus
Scantia C(ai) f(ilia) Silvina / fecit sibi et / L(ucio) Scantio L(uci)
fil(io) Eparchico / filio suo et Sulpiciae M(arci) f(iliae) Iulittae /
nepoti suae et libertis suis / libertabusque posterisque / eorum h(oc)
m(onumentum) h(eredem) e(xternum) n(on) s(equetur) / in fronte ped(es)
XII in agro ped(es) XIII

Belegstelle: AE 1987, 00783 = AE 1989, 00567 = AE 1989, 00568
Provinz: Germania superior Ort: Walheim am Neckar
[1 Sul]picius Vepa/[nus?] et Sulpicia / Pervinc[a] co{i}(n)iux /
tes(tamento) aede[m i]n solo / Caesaris posu/erunt Fusc[i]ano / et
[Si]lano II co(n)s(ulibus) / III K(alendas) Apriles / l(aeti) l(ibentes)
m(erito)

Belegstelle: AE 1988, 00279
Provinz: Latium et Campania / Regio I Ort: Fabrateria Nova
D(is) M(anibus) / Sulpiciae / Victorinae / filiae dulc(issimae) / vixit
an(nos) XV / [1] Canedius / Victorinus / pater fecit

Belegstelle: AE 1993, 00581
Provinz: Latium et Campania / Regio I Ort: Montecelio / Tibur
D(is) M(anibus) / [S]ulpicia Epictesi[s] / [A]villiae Procla[e] /
[d]ulcissimae et p[i]/[e]ntissimae bene / merenti fecit / vixit annis XX
menses(!) IX

Belegstelle: AquaeFlaviae 00069
Provinz: Hispania citerior Ort: San Pelagio de Boveda / Aquae
Flaviae
Nymphis / Salutalib(us) / Sulpicia / Saturni/na ex / voto

Belegstelle: CIL 02, 00068 = IRCPacen 00276
Provinz: Lusitania Ort: Beja / Pax Iulia Beja / Pax Iulia
D(is) M(anibus) s(acrum) / Sulpicia Iul/iana vix(it) an/n(os) XXVIII
Sul/[pic]ius Moni[3]/[3]us uxsor[i!] / [S]ulpicia V[3] / mater

Belegstelle: CIL 02, 04326 = RIT 00383
Provinz: Hispania citerior Ort: Tarragona / Tarraco
Sulpic[iae 3] / Calagu[rri]tana[e] / matr[o]nae / honest[is]simae /
uxo[r]i / pudic[is]simae / matri p[ii]ssimae / M(arcus) Veti[li]us
Aeli/anus ma[ri]tus et / Sulp(icia) A[e]liana / fil[ia]

In the Republican period females did not have tripartite names as did
men. The praenomen and nomen of a woman were the same: the feminised
form of the gentile nomen. This feminised form of the nomen was
sometimes modified by an adjective indicating birth order (Maxima,
Minor, Prima, Secunda, Tertia, etc.), infrequently cast as a diminutive,
or occasionally modified by the paternal cognomen in the genitive. On
marriage in manus it was not uncommon for a wife to take the feminised
form of the husband's nomen in addition to the feminised paternal
nomen. It is only in the principate that women began to have tripartite
names and, unfortunately for onomastic scholars, there appears not to
have been a fixed set of rules governing their formation.

Vale.

Scaurus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21875 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Salve F. Galerius Aurelianus

who said in part..." furthermore, its membership has produced good citizens who are both active and taxpayers as well as tribunes, rogators, sacerdoes, scribii, and curatores."

And dear Cousin not to mention maybe a future Consul or two!!!!

In the year of the Consuls F. Galerius Aurelianus and ??????.....

Has a nice ring to , does it not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Tribunus Plebs

----- Original Message -----
From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@...
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 5:38 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus


F. Galerius Aurelianus to L. Arminius Faustus. s.p.d.

I take exception to your advice that a perspective member should seek a gens
that has a Senator, Consul, or Governor as its paterfamilias. Also, the idea
of choosing a gens based on whether or not the paterfamilias or materfamilias
will act as a powerful patron seems to imply that you cannot get anywhere in
Nova Roma without a powerful patron or a gens head who is connected. You
cannot choose a gens based on such exclusive criteria and this has more likely
resulted in more people leaving NR when they discover there is no real connection
between your gens and how far you go in our organization. I chose my gens
based on the patron deities and it has turned out to be among the most active
gentes in the Republic for its size. It continues to grow despite not having a
Senator, Consul, or Governor as its materfamilias. Furthermore, its membership
has produced good citizens who are both active and taxpayers as well as
tribunes, rogators, sacerdoes, scribii, and curatores.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21876 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: FW: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA QUARTER FINALS
Cicero will kick his ass

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21877 From: Sp. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: Happy Passover !
Salvete Gai Equiti;
I am one with you I wish all Christian cives; Happy Easter!
but of course PRAESINA FOREVER!
Sp. Fabia Vera Fausta

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Michael Cerrato <mlcinnyc@y...> wrote:
> Salvete omnes!
>
> Interesting to note that the Christian celebration of this time of
year also involves the placating of a disaffected Deity so as to
prevent the annihilation of...well...everyone. To our Jewish
citizens: PESACH TOV! To our Christian citizens: HAPPY EASTER! To
the rest of our citizens: GO BLUES!
>
> G. Equitius Cato
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21878 From: Sp. Fabia Vera Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Rose <gfr@w...> wrote:
> G. Iulius Scaurus Sulpiciae Cornificiae Silvanae salutem dicit.
>
> Salve, Sulpicia Cornificia.
>
> >I was just recently notified offlist that Sulpicia is not a
regular women's
> >praenomen,

Salve Scaure; Sulpicia would be fine if she joined gens Sulpicia,
and that is the point, or better still Cornificia if there were a
gens Cornificia, I think we need a better article on the name page to
illuminate this topic.
vale
> Spuria Fabia Vera Fausta
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21879 From: lanius117@aol.com Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Newest citizen
G. Lanius Falco Quiritibus S.P.D.

Salvete, omnes

One of the happiest duties a propraetor has is to announce the arrival of new
citizens. So it is with great pleasure that I welcome Gaius Cassius Avitus
to Nova Roma and Nova Britannia. Join with me now in making him feel at home.

WELCOME, Gaius Cassius Avitus !!!

Valete,

G. Lanius Falco
*****************************************************
Propraetor Nova Britannia
Praefectus Sodalitas Egressus Nova Britannia
Scriba Curatoris Differum
Paterfamilias Gens Lania


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21880 From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com Date: 2004-04-06
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Salvete;

I agree with this. I used to be a Cassia, and feel that the best choice I
made was to form Gens Modia. Not that Gens Cassia was bad, it is a very good
Gens. But I felt I could better serve Nova Roma and myself by "doing my own
thing, my way (which is sometimes the harder way)." I feel the work has paid off.

Valete;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 4/6/2004 5:41:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... writes:
I take exception to your advice that a perspective member should seek a gens
that has a Senator, Consul, or Governor as its paterfamilias. Also, the idea
of choosing a gens based on whether or not the paterfamilias or materfamilias
will act as a powerful patron seems to imply that you cannot get anywhere in
Nova Roma without a powerful patron or a gens head who is connected. You
cannot choose a gens based on such exclusive criteria and this has more
likely
resulted in more people leaving NR when they discover there is no real
connection
between your gens and how far you go in our organization. I chose my gens
based on the patron deities and it has turned out to be among the most active
gentes in the Republic for its size. It continues to grow despite not having
a
Senator, Consul, or Governor as its materfamilias. Furthermore, its
membership
has produced good citizens who are both active and taxpayers as well as
tribunes, rogators, sacerdoes, scribii, and curatores.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21881 From: Gregory Rose Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
G. Iulius Scaurus Sp. Fabiae Verae salutem dicit.

Salve, Sp. Fabia Vera

> Salve Scaure; Sulpicia would be fine if she joined gens Sulpicia,
>and that is the point, or better still Cornificia if there were a
>gens Cornificia, I think we need a better article on the name page to
>illuminate this topic.
>

The inference I'd make from the name Sulpicia Cornificia was that she
was a Sulpician who married in manu a Cornifician and as a result of
marriage in manu became a Cornifician. In any case it is better
onomastic practice than hundreds of other examples in the Album Civium.

Vale.

Scaurus

>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21882 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: ante diem VII Idus Aprilis
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem VII Idus Aprilis and the Feria Megalesiae; the day
is nefastus. The Feria Megalesiae continued.

Tomorrow is ante diem VI Idus Aprilis and the Feria Megalesiae; the
day is nefastus. The Feria Megalesiae continued.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21883 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Salve Yvonne (Sulpicia to be):

It took nearly two months for me to become a citizen - and now I've two
gladiators, a chariot and I've mananged to piss off a Senator.

More importantly, I've made friends. Hang in there.

AVLVS AMBROSIVS CELETRVS
CIVIS NOVAE ROMAE
|EX ORIENTE LVX ~ EX OCCIDENTE LEX|

Yvonne Rathbone wrote:
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus wrote:
>
> > Salve!
> >
> > When You apply for a new Gens there seem (I am new to this job) to
> be
> > _no_ automatic message to the Censors. As it is the Censors that
> > handle this proceedure that will mean that the whole process stops.
> I
> > will cc my Colleague who manage the Data base (I am no computer wiz,
> > but he is) and ask him till look into this.
>
> I am in the same boat as others. It's been over a month - I think -
> since I
> applied and I haven't heard anything. I emailed the Censors yesterday
> and
> they haven't responded yet. I wasn't sure what else to do, but it
> looks
> like there are other eager applicants having the same problems. [How
> wonderful that Nova Roma has so many people beating down the doors to
> become
> citizens!]
>
> I, too, picked a new gens name. I didn't realize it would cause any
> problems and I didn't want to intrude on an already existing gens. I
> realize now that requesting membership to an existing gens is the
> preferred
> method. I like the gens name that I picked, Cornificius. I feel a
> bit of a
> connection with the man who bought Pompey's house that I can't
> explain. And
> I'd be willing to do some work to help make sure the gens doesn't stay
> a
> one-woman show.
>
> Salvete,
> Sulpicia Cornificius Sylvana (hopefully)
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21884 From: FAC Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Megalesia: rerults of the ludi equestris (quarters)
Salvete Omnes,

YUUUUHHUUU...!!!
2 red chariots on 3 are in semifinals!!!!
Great results given by the experience and the power of the italic
horses.

I invite all the Russata's fans to support our two aurigae during
the semifinals.
We need you all, Reds, you could be the 5th horse for our chariots.
What happened to our Factio?! Where is all the players and
the "hooligans" of the past years?! Reds, wake up and fight with us!
We can't accept the victory of Praesina or Blues.

Remember our claim ...

RUSSATA RA RA RA
RUSSATA RA RA RA
RUSSATA RA RA RA
RUSSATA RA RA RA

... and good luck to Furor Teutonicus and Libertas!

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Russatae Dominus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21885 From: Ambrosius Celetrus Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Megalesia: rerults of the ludi equestris (quarters)
CELERIS CAERULEI!! (Please correct my Latin - I'm just learning)

Celetrus

FAC wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> YUUUUHHUUU...!!!
> 2 red chariots on 3 are in semifinals!!!!
> Great results given by the experience and the power of the italic
> horses.
>
> I invite all the Russata's fans to support our two aurigae during
> the semifinals.
> We need you all, Reds, you could be the 5th horse for our chariots.
> What happened to our Factio?! Where is all the players and
> the "hooligans" of the past years?! Reds, wake up and fight with us!
> We can't accept the victory of Praesina or Blues.
>
> Remember our claim ...
>
> RUSSATA RA RA RA
> RUSSATA RA RA RA
> RUSSATA RA RA RA
> RUSSATA RA RA RA
>
> ... and good luck to Furor Teutonicus and Libertas!
>
> Valete
> Fr. Apulus Caesar
> Russatae Dominus
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21886 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Salve!

No problem! I have studied your case and others, together with
problems that I and my Scriba have found during our work it will go
into my efforts to produce a new guide and an edictum for citizen's
applications. But and it is a big "but", I will need time to plan
this so that we don't just change things from one weak situation to
another bad one.

I hope that You and others understand this dilemma.

>First, I want to say how much I appreciate the effort that goes into your
>work. I certainly did not mean to sound critical and I hope you didn't take
>it that way. Instead, I would suggest that feedback from recent applicants
>could make your work easier as it might lead to changes in procedure that
>reduces regular and time-consuming problems. I present the following solely
>for the purpose of helping your job to be easier and helping to improve the
>application procedure.
>
>I was just recently notified offlist that Sulpicia is not a regular women's
>praenomen, but I'd never be able to tell that from the website. The Nova
>Roman webpage on choosing a name describes some of the issues around womens
>names and then lists a bunch of names. As I don't see how maintaining Roman
>naming practices for women works with the modern the modern gender roles
>that have been introduced into Nova Roma (particularly the existence of the
>materfamilia) I choose a name from the list. It seemed to echo an
>established prerepublic practice that I assumed was acceptable because of
>the layout of the Nova Roma webpage. Now I understand that I may regret
>this decision, and yet looking back at the website, I don't see how I would
>have done anything differently based on the information that is there.
>
>The selection of a gens is also less than clear. I was not informed that my
>application would be held up by selecting a new gens, just that it was
>preferred that I select an already existing gens. I was thinking I would,
>but frankly, I couldn't quite grasp how to do so, and it seemed intrusive
>somehow. What was unclear to me was what criteria one might use to select a
>gens. What are the ramifications of belonging to a gens? Which gentes want
>new people they've never met? Once I've selected an existing gens as a
>possibility, who do I email? Some gentes had webpages with very clear
>indications of who to write. Others were hard to contact.
>
>If was difficult for me to figure out a gens that seemed like a good match,
>was local enough to make sense joining, and had clear contact information.
>In the end, I chose a new gens because all signs seemed to point to that. I
>really like the name I chose and would gladly take on the responsibility of
>attracting more members as I do not want to be the only person in my gens.
>
>All this again, is given to help us all understand the process better, as
>critique not criticism. Perhaps understanding where applicatants are
>getting caught up will help smooth out some of the bumps. This can only be
>good for Nova Roma as it will make the jobs of the officials easier and more
>efficient.
>
>-Yvonne/Sulpicia
>
>Caeso Fabius Quintilianus wrote:
>
>> Salve!
>>
>> I will contact You privately in a day or two!
>>
>> Please remember that I and my Scribae are doing our job on our spare
>> time. I am working with the Censorial tasks about two hours per day
>> and also doing a teacgher's work tat takes more than 10 hours per
>> day. Your mail to the Censors arrived 16 hours ago and I hope that
>> You will accept that someone working on spare time takes more time
>> than that. I hope to answer your private mail tomorrow.
>>
>> I recommend that applicants expect to wait at least fourteen days
>> before becoming worried. I would further recommend that applicants
>> contact their possible Pater/Mater familias before they contact the
>> Censors as the problem nearly always is that the Pater/Mater is
>> ockupied or inactive.
>>
>> I and my Scribae are putting much effort and time in an attempt to
> > persuade applicants to choose correct Roman names. Many application
>> have rather unRoman names, most applicants are grateful for the
>> effort we put into helping them with Roman names.
>>
>> At the present moment two of my Scribae are doing extensive research
>> on male and female names. In the beginning of the summer I expect to
>> issue an edictum which will form a better guide for applicants and
>> which will set the needed rules for choosing names. If it is possible
>> I hope to also get needed changes to the Data Base.
>>
>> At the present time I am following the tradition from the latest
>> Censors to not approve new Gentes other than in very special cases.
>> The reason for this is that we have too many one-person Gentes, at
>> least if we also consider that many Patres/Matres are capiti censi.
>> It seems as if the Censors are not made aware of applications for new
>> Gentes, I plan to soon appoint one more Scriba to handle these
>> applications manually until we may do it automatically.
>>
>>> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus wrote:
>>>
>>>> Salve!
>>>>
>>>> When You apply for a new Gens there seem (I am new to this job) to be
>>>> _no_ automatic message to the Censors. As it is the Censors that
>>>> handle this proceedure that will mean that the whole process stops. I
>>>> will cc my Colleague who manage the Data base (I am no computer wiz,
>>>> but he is) and ask him till look into this.
>>>
>>> I am in the same boat as others. It's been over a month - I
>>>think - since I
>>> applied and I haven't heard anything. I emailed the Censors yesterday and
>>> they haven't responded yet. I wasn't sure what else to do, but it looks
>>> like there are other eager applicants having the same problems. [How
>>> wonderful that Nova Roma has so many people beating down the
>>>doors to become
>>> citizens!]
>>>
>>> I, too, picked a new gens name. I didn't realize it would cause any
>>> problems and I didn't want to intrude on an already existing gens. I
>>> realize now that requesting membership to an existing gens is the preferred
>>> method. I like the gens name that I picked, Cornificius. I feel
>>>a bit of a
>>> connection with the man who bought Pompey's house that I can't
>>>explain. And
>>> I'd be willing to do some work to help make sure the gens doesn't stay a
>>> one-woman show.
>>>
>>> Salvete,
>>> Sulpicia Cornificius Sylvana (hopefully)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>


--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21887 From: TiAnO Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA GLADIATORIA SEMIFINALS
Good idea to have the rappers coming back!!

(Even though I would NEVER arrange such a thing because I don't like rapp music at all. )

My gladiator will be sent back to the school to learn how to keep hold of his net.



Tiberius Annaeus Otho (TiAnO) Factio Praesina
Lictor curiatus
Translator linguae Germanicae
Paterfamilias gentis Annaearum
Praefectus scribarum regionis Germaniae Superioris
Tribunus laticlavius militum legionis XI CPF
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21888 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: Ludi Megalesia: results of the ludi equestris (quarters)
Salvete Quirites,

I'm pleased to see that my driver, Petronius Gnipho, has advanced to the
semi-finals with my newly refurbished chariot, Vita Brevis.
Unfortunately, my friend Salix Galaicus suffered a setback as his entry,
Maledicti, lost a wheel in the last laps. But at least we got one
Albata entry into the semi-finals.

For all the action, see
http://aediles.novaroma.org/perusianus/ludi/m_circ_results.html

Valete!

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21889 From: Michael Cerrato Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
Salve omnes gentes!

I posted a reply in the "Group" thingy but can't find it...any hints, or am I being my usual technology-challenged self? I take no responsibility for the workings of this machine, which is probably hiding a playful daemon or two...my lares took a week off to go to Cisalpine Gaul to ski, so things around the house are a little...interesting right now .

Thanks!

G. Equitius Cato

P.S. - I'm not sure if it's proper Roman form, but can I sign off as just "Cato"...I'm getting tired of typing the whole thing... GEC


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21891 From: Michael Cerrato Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: New member
Salve, C. Ambrosius Aurelianus!

Welcome! Woohoo!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21892 From: s_cassius Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Salvete,

Please forgive any ignorant remarks that I may make, as I am new
(as of today) to Nova Roma. For the most part, I agree with your
statements, but due to my 3-month long application ordeal, I have
serious reservations about wholeheartedly endorsing them. I first
contacted those gentes that were "local", then those that had
deities that agreed with me, next moved on to those with "cool"
sounding names (a very subjective criteria), and finally those that
had very active members. Just over 3 months later, I'm a proud new
member of gens Cassia. The first, and only, of 9 gentes to reply to
my request. Granted, one or two others contacted me and welcomed me
with open arms (which was wonderful) but they never followed through
and approved my application.

So, while I would love to concur with your statements, I almost felt
as if my choice was already made for me, due to relative inactivity
of these nearly defunct gentes. Which brings me to a main point...
is there any precedent for reviving these lost gentes? Could the
pater/materfamilias be contacted and given a suitable amount of time
to reply, then if a reply wasn't forthcoming, could a new
pater/materfamilias be appointed?

Please believe that I am not trying to be critical of anyone. My
only goal is to hopefully improve the application experience for
future New Romans, including my wife and my friends. Finally, I'd
like to express my thanks to Cassia and especially Q. Cassius Calvus
for his dogged determination to get me admitted.

Valete,

S. Cassius Vespillo


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
> Salvete;
>
> I agree with this. I used to be a Cassia, and feel that the best
choice I
> made was to form Gens Modia. Not that Gens Cassia was bad, it is
a very good
> Gens. But I felt I could better serve Nova Roma and myself
by "doing my own
> thing, my way (which is sometimes the harder way)." I feel the
work has paid off.
>
> Valete;
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius
>
> In a message dated 4/6/2004 5:41:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a... writes:
> I take exception to your advice that a perspective member should
seek a gens
> that has a Senator, Consul, or Governor as its paterfamilias.
Also, the idea
> of choosing a gens based on whether or not the paterfamilias or
materfamilias
> will act as a powerful patron seems to imply that you cannot get
anywhere in
> Nova Roma without a powerful patron or a gens head who is
connected. You
> cannot choose a gens based on such exclusive criteria and this has
more
> likely
> resulted in more people leaving NR when they discover there is no
real
> connection
> between your gens and how far you go in our organization. I chose
my gens
> based on the patron deities and it has turned out to be among the
most active
> gentes in the Republic for its size. It continues to grow despite
not having
> a
> Senator, Consul, or Governor as its materfamilias. Furthermore,
its
> membership
> has produced good citizens who are both active and taxpayers as
well as
> tribunes, rogators, sacerdoes, scribii, and curatores.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21893 From: Michael Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Perhaps there might be some misunderstanding regarding the extent to
which NR is actually trying to reflect Roman society? After all, it
was, in fact, IMPOSSIBLE to rise in Roma without powerful patronage,
and usually adoption into one of the great Patrician gens...unless,
of course, you had the army behind you :)
Maybe it could be made clearer that for purposes of rising through
the cursus honorum in NR, things are much more democratic.
I myself intend to become at least a Senator, and envision the day
when I will be carried through Nova Eborica on a litter borne by
slaves, eating bon-bons and complaining about the smell of the great
numbers of unwashed plebs...but I realise that it will take patience
and dedication.
In the meantime, O Censores, if you need any assistance, I would be
glad to be of service; you only have to say the word (and then
explain it if I get confused). Let me know, clarissimi virii.

G. Equitius Cato



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:
> Salve F. Galerius Aurelianus
>
> who said in part..." furthermore, its membership has produced good
citizens who are both active and taxpayers as well as tribunes,
rogators, sacerdoes, scribii, and curatores."
>
> And dear Cousin not to mention maybe a future Consul or two!!!!
>
> In the year of the Consuls F. Galerius Aurelianus and ??????.....
>
> Has a nice ring to , does it not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Tribunus Plebs
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a...
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 5:38 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius
Faustus
>
>
> F. Galerius Aurelianus to L. Arminius Faustus. s.p.d.
>
> I take exception to your advice that a perspective member should
seek a gens
> that has a Senator, Consul, or Governor as its paterfamilias.
Also, the idea
> of choosing a gens based on whether or not the paterfamilias or
materfamilias
> will act as a powerful patron seems to imply that you cannot get
anywhere in
> Nova Roma without a powerful patron or a gens head who is
connected. You
> cannot choose a gens based on such exclusive criteria and this
has more likely
> resulted in more people leaving NR when they discover there is no
real connection
> between your gens and how far you go in our organization. I
chose my gens
> based on the patron deities and it has turned out to be among the
most active
> gentes in the Republic for its size. It continues to grow
despite not having a
> Senator, Consul, or Governor as its materfamilias. Furthermore,
its membership
> has produced good citizens who are both active and taxpayers as
well as
> tribunes, rogators, sacerdoes, scribii, and curatores.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21894 From: Lucia Ambrosia Apollinaris Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: New Citizen
Salvete,

I'm a new citizen of Nova Roma. I just would like to say hello to
everyone, and I'm looking forward to being here.

Valete,

Lucia Ambrosia Apollinaris
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21895 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
L. Arminius Faustus Tribunus Plebis F. Galerio Aureliano S. P. D.

First, thanks by commenting my post. I love see my name repeated so
many times on the subject.

Let´s see what you´ve written...

" of choosing a gens based on whether or not the paterfamilias or
materfamilias will act as a powerful patron seems to imply that you
cannot get anywhere in Nova Roma without a powerful patron or a gens
head who is connected. "

Please, do not make assumptions on anything. The ´powerful´ patron is
because of he is ´always there´ on NR. A Senator do not disappear so
easily, on most cases.

Alas, a patron do helps. He helps, but do not take you by hand. On
Ancient Rome, on modern world as well. Remember the patronage was
indeed a very roman thing. And the gens helps as well. Much of my
votes on the previous elctions surely comes from the noble gens
Arminia, I´m grateful to them. Alas, I myself on the job was declined
of a promotion because I have run against a nephew of a Corporation
Director. Patronage and nepotism, indeed.

But remember on Ancient World the gens and family was a height
biggest on the political starting of a man. On Ancient Rome, the
height of this was immense.

Remember gens Claudia, which speciallity was breaking the plebeian
unrest, since many generations. And the warrior Cornelius? And the
Quincius? And the Furius? And the Aemilius? And the Manlius? And the
Fabius, that made alone war to Veius?

What the ancient people of Rome expected of a new generation of
´Apius Claudius´ candidating to Quaestor? Following the steps of
their ancestors and teachers.

The power of ´reputation´ of a gens was so big on ancient that
Suetonius, when starting the life of Tiberius, starts commenting the
history and political tradition of gens Claudia to explain the
behaviour of the Emperor. And he was talking from the middle of the
Empire, on a complete decadence of the gentilic system, neither a
sahdow of what it were on Ancient times.


"a powerful patron seems to imply that you cannot get anywhere in
Nova Roma without a powerful patron"

´Seems to imply´ - I don´t like these words. ´To Seem´ is not ´to
be´. I don´t talk about ´seeming´.

And remember, paterfamilias is not a patron. Paterfamilias is a
paterfamilias. You can choose patrons wherever you want. The powerful
Tribunes Icilius, Canuleius, Sextius hadn´t gens, weren´t
paterfamilias, and were the patrons of many on Roma.

Remember the son of Aemilius Paulus, the conqueror of Macedon,
changing gens to become a Cornelius Scipio. Sure the Cornelius were
one of the greatest gens of their time, but almost at the same level
of the Aemilia. He changed paterfamilias, but at his time, there was
a better patron than his bloodly real father, recently come from the
conquest of Macedon?

And Lucius Sextius, the first plebeian consul? Who was his patron? Or
paterfamilias? I cannot know his gens, as plebeian he had not gens.

However, the plebeian family Marcelus had their ancient patrons on
the patrician gens Claudia.

You must choose a gens with a ACTIVE paterfamilias THAT WILL ANSWER
FAST YOUR APPLICATION, this is what I mean. People holdiong
magistracies/senate chair/priesthood usually do not disappear. A
Senator/Consular/Priest is not a ´jackass´ that will disappear for
nothing. But do not be attached to ´Senator/Consular´ it is just a
example. A Priest/Lictor/Tribune/Questor etc etc etc etc etc is the
same effect.

The main question if choosing a paterfamilias that indeed had or has
a compromise with NR. Past magistracies, priesthoods, curule chair or
toga prextexta is a SIGNAL of that.

"I chose my gens > based on the patron deities and it has turned out
to be among the most active > gentes in the Republic for its size."

Big gentes usually have more chances to have more active citizens. It
is statistics.

WHAT? I´ve heard about ´PATRON´ deities? Surely I forgot that on my
previous list! A God is the best patronage we could have! So, you
indeed searched a patron to choose your gens. :)

"It continues to grow despite not having a Senator, Consul, or
Governor as its materfamilias."

Do not put words on my mouth. I´ve never ever said that we need this
to grow. Remember ever patrician gens started five years ago as ´new
man´, like the first albans following Romulus. They raised as they
colaborated with the Res Publica. The decadence of some patricians
gentes founding fathers of NR is to all see. NR is much more
´meritocratic´ than the Ancient Rome on this stuff of gens.

Much because on Ancient, people was born on gens, do not choose.
Except for adoption.

And a prosperous gens, it is just a matter of time to have many
senatores and consulares. It is the normal cursum honorum. And seeing
the album of Gens Galeria, I have pretty confidence it is just a
matter of time to fill their atriuns with the pictures of the gens´
magistrates. They already have many, they will have even more.

However, a paterfamilias with experience on NR cursum honorum can
help mostly their gensmates with good orientation and support. But it
is not a rule.

"Furthermore, its membership has produced good citizens who are both
active and taxpayers as well as tribunes, rogators, sacerdoes,
scribii, and curatores."

And will produce even much more. I´m certain of that.

Vale bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus TRP


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a... wrote:
> F. Galerius Aurelianus to L. Arminius Faustus. s.p.d.
>
> I take exception to your advice that a perspective member should
seek a gens
> that has a Senator, Consul, or Governor as its paterfamilias.
Also, the idea
> of choosing a gens based on whether or not the paterfamilias or
materfamilias
> will act as a powerful patron seems to imply that you cannot get
anywhere in
> Nova Roma without a powerful patron or a gens head who is
connected. You
> cannot choose a gens based on such exclusive criteria and this has
more likely
> resulted in more people leaving NR when they discover there is no
real connection
> between your gens and how far you go in our organization. I chose
my gens
> based on the patron deities and it has turned out to be among the
most active
> gentes in the Republic for its size. It continues to grow despite
not having a
> Senator, Consul, or Governor as its materfamilias. Furthermore,
its membership
> has produced good citizens who are both active and taxpayers as
well as
> tribunes, rogators, sacerdoes, scribii, and curatores.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21896 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Salve,

Illustrious colleague, you´re a men worthy of all praises and
glories. You´re an example I´ll raise my finger to show to all.
´Follow this man, he is like the Ancient´. I know your work. However,
unfortunatly, are every new paterfamilias like you? And, a new
citizen, without noticing and choosing a gens, he should be punished
delaying citizenship because of the irresponsability of his
paterfamilias?

This is a matter of tribunitian worries. Since the new gentes are
plebeians, it is a disonour to our class having so many ´one capite
censi´ gentes.

Well, what am I saying? It is disonour to NR overall!

Vale bene,
L. Arminius Faustus Tribunus Plebis

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
> Salvete;
>
> I agree with this. I used to be a Cassia, and feel that the best
choice I
> made was to form Gens Modia. Not that Gens Cassia was bad, it is a
very good
> Gens. But I felt I could better serve Nova Roma and myself
by "doing my own
> thing, my way (which is sometimes the harder way)." I feel the
work has paid off.
>
> Valete;
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius
>
> In a message dated 4/6/2004 5:41:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a... writes:
> I take exception to your advice that a perspective member should
seek a gens
> that has a Senator, Consul, or Governor as its paterfamilias.
Also, the idea
> of choosing a gens based on whether or not the paterfamilias or
materfamilias
> will act as a powerful patron seems to imply that you cannot get
anywhere in
> Nova Roma without a powerful patron or a gens head who is
connected. You
> cannot choose a gens based on such exclusive criteria and this has
more
> likely
> resulted in more people leaving NR when they discover there is no
real
> connection
> between your gens and how far you go in our organization. I chose
my gens
> based on the patron deities and it has turned out to be among the
most active
> gentes in the Republic for its size. It continues to grow despite
not having
> a
> Senator, Consul, or Governor as its materfamilias. Furthermore,
its
> membership
> has produced good citizens who are both active and taxpayers as
well as
> tribunes, rogators, sacerdoes, scribii, and curatores.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21897 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient
[posted to mainlist, with copy to original sender]

Salve Gai Equiti, et salvete quirites,

Michael Cerrato wrote:
> Salve omnes gentes!
>
> I posted a reply in the "Group" thingy but can't find it...
> any hints, or am I being my usual technology-challenged self?

Yahoo is being glacially slow right now. It takes hours for a post I've
written to get back to my mailbox after I've sent it out.

> P.S. - I'm not sure if it's proper Roman form, but can I
> sign off as just "Cato"...

Of course you can! I usually sign off with just my cognomen. It's fine
traditional Roman practice.

Vale!

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21898 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Salvete Quirites, et salve S. Cassi,

S. Cassius Vespillo writes:

> is there any precedent for reviving these lost gentes?

Yes. We hold a census every two years in which all p/maters are
required to respond to the Censors and confirm that they are still
participating in Nova Roma. We had such a census last year, and we'll
have another one next year. They are very work intensive for the
Censors and the provincial governors.

> Could the
> pater/materfamilias be contacted and given a suitable amount of time
> to reply, then if a reply wasn't forthcoming, could a new
> pater/materfamilias be appointed?

What we currently do is de-certify the gens. If we had a process of
bequest, in which a p/mater would declare an heir, then that heir could
inherit. But we don't have anything like that right now.

Vale,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21899 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: New Citizen
Salve Lucia,

Thanks for identifying yourself and a hearty welcome to Nova Roma.
Congratulations on your citizenship. We will all be glad to help you
with any questions as well as aiding in your orientation around NR.

All the best!

Quintus Lanius Paulinus









--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucia Ambrosia Apollinaris"
<AnglMscOG@a...> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> I'm a new citizen of Nova Roma. I just would like to say hello to
> everyone, and I'm looking forward to being here.
>
> Valete,
>
> Lucia Ambrosia Apollinaris
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21900 From: s_cassius Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Salve,

Thank you for the informative and prompt reply. I appreciate your
willingness to enlighten my somewhat uncultivated mind! I truly hope
I did not offend anyone with my other comments. Though the process
seemed long, I am an impatient man and I understand that the noble
citizens of Nova Roma are busy people. Thank you once again.

Vale,

S. Cassius Vespillo

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@c...> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites, et salve S. Cassi,
>
> S. Cassius Vespillo writes:
>
> > is there any precedent for reviving these lost gentes?
>
> Yes. We hold a census every two years in which all p/maters are
> required to respond to the Censors and confirm that they are still
> participating in Nova Roma. We had such a census last year, and
we'll
> have another one next year. They are very work intensive for the
> Censors and the provincial governors.
>
> > Could the
> > pater/materfamilias be contacted and given a suitable amount of
time
> > to reply, then if a reply wasn't forthcoming, could a new
> > pater/materfamilias be appointed?
>
> What we currently do is de-certify the gens. If we had a process
of
> bequest, in which a p/mater would declare an heir, then that heir
could
> inherit. But we don't have anything like that right now.
>
> Vale,
>
> -- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21901 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: (no subject)
SALVE POMPEIA

I thank you for your kind words, it is a pretty hard task, but I
enjoy it, and I'm happy to see that is good to elevate our cultural
level. I'm happy to see that you even appreciate my coordination
work.Thank you.

VALE
L IUL SULLA




> I have taken the time to read these thought provoking and
informative
> answers by the Professor in response to the questions posed by both
> Consuls.
>
> You have done well to coordinate this excellent project. My thanks
> and congratulations!
>
> Pompeia
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Iulius" <21aprile@e...>
wrote:
> > SALVETE OMNES
> >
> > Interview the Expert.
> > Now you can read the interesting interview to Prof. Poliseno
here:
> >
> > http://www.novaroma.org/expert/feb04.htm
> >
> > VALETE!
> > L IUL SULLA
> > Academia Italica
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21902 From: s_cassius Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: New Citizen
Salvete,

I'm new to Nova Roma and just wanted to say 'hello' to my fellow
citizens. I look forward to being an active part of your community!

I already posted one message, but this should've been my first!

Valete,

S. Cassius Vespillo
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21903 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "s_cassius" <s_cassius@y...> wrote:
> Salvete,
<snipped>
> Please believe that I am not trying to be critical of anyone. My
> only goal is to hopefully improve the application experience for
> future New Romans, including my wife and my friends. Finally, I'd
> like to express my thanks to Cassia and especially Q. Cassius Calvus
> for his dogged determination to get me admitted.
>
> Valete,
>
> S. Cassius Vespillo

Salve,

It was quite an adventure working through the application process
wasn't it. I must thank you for your dogged determination and
infinite patience through the whole ordeal.

Just for the public record, gens Cassia was one of several gens I
suggested who's mater/paters I know are active in Nova Roma so it's
not a case of if all else fails there is always Gens Cassia as there
are many fine active gens in Nova Roma that I heartily recommend to
any applicant in the same situation.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21904 From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com Date: 2004-04-07
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Gaius Modius Athanasius L. Arminio Fausto SPD

I agree. Personally, I don't think citizenship should be given out so freely. I think citizens should *at least* be required to pay taxes to keep their citizenship. I know this is an unpopular opinion with many people. I am no rich man. I don't value wealth as much as I value other things in my life, however, I can muster up $12 a year to pay my taxes. If a person simply *cannot* afford $1 a month then it is my opinion that they should worry about other things, instead of worrying about belonging to Nova Roma.

I also believe that it takes a special person to be a Pater Familias. At least a GOOD Pater Familias. As a Pater Familias you should strive to better your Gens and support the members of your familiy. It doesn't matter if these "family members" are of my blood or if they have been "coopted" into my Gens. I have assumed a degree of responsibility for every citizen within my Gens. This should not be taken lightly.

As stated, I did not join NR and create my own Gens. I started out in an existing Gens, and after the blessing my (then) Pater Familias -- Marcus Cassius Iulianus -- I formed Gens Modia. I think it is a dishonor and a disgrace to a Gens if their Pater Familias is a Capite Censi. I also think it is a disgrace to have members of a Gens who are Capite Censi. I fear that I might at least one such occurance in my Gens, and it pains me greatly.

Vale;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 4/7/2004 9:29:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lafaustus@... writes:

> Illustrious colleague, you´re a men worthy of all praises and
> glories. You´re an example I´ll raise my finger to show to all.
> ´Follow this man, he is like the Ancient´. I know your work. However,
> unfortunatly, are every new paterfamilias like you? And, a new
> citizen, without noticing and choosing a gens, he should be punished
> delaying citizenship because of the irresponsability of his
> paterfamilias?
>
> This is a matter of tribunitian worries. Since the new gentes are
> plebeians, it is a disonour to our class having so many
> ´one capite
> censi´ gentes.
>
> Well, what am I saying? It is disonour to NR overall!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21905 From: s_cassius Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Salvete,

Quite true. I was presented with numerous options. I chose Cassia
because that is the real-life given name of my sister-in-law. Thank
you again for your inestimable help.

Since I find myself posting, yet again, how does a good citizen go
about paying his or her taxes? I thought I read something to the
effect that there were no taxes due in the first year?

Also, I would be happy to be of service to anyone that requires
help. I'm a web developer and online marketing specialist by day, so
please feel free to consider me at your disposal.

Valete,

S. Cassius Vespillo

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "quintuscassiuscalvus"
<richmal@c...> wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "s_cassius" <s_cassius@y...>
wrote:
> > Salvete,
> <snipped>
> > Please believe that I am not trying to be critical of anyone. My
> > only goal is to hopefully improve the application experience for
> > future New Romans, including my wife and my friends. Finally,
I'd
> > like to express my thanks to Cassia and especially Q. Cassius
Calvus
> > for his dogged determination to get me admitted.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > S. Cassius Vespillo
>
> Salve,
>
> It was quite an adventure working through the application process
> wasn't it. I must thank you for your dogged determination and
> infinite patience through the whole ordeal.
>
> Just for the public record, gens Cassia was one of several gens I
> suggested who's mater/paters I know are active in Nova Roma so it's
> not a case of if all else fails there is always Gens Cassia as
there
> are many fine active gens in Nova Roma that I heartily recommend to
> any applicant in the same situation.
>
> Vale,
>
> Q. Cassius Calvus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21906 From: gaia_ulleria_diota Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: I am so excited!!!
I received wonderful email from my new Paterfamilias and the Censors
telling me I have been granted citizenship in Nova Roma! I have been
reading all the posts with great interest for quite a while and I am
looking forward to participating fully as a proud Nova Roman
citizen. Hooray! All honor to Minerva my patroness, and Father
Iupiter, and noble Uller!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21907 From: O. Flavius Pompeius Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Re: Newest citizen
Salve Avitus,

While I live in the Land Down Under :) It's always great to see new citzens. Welcome to Nova Roma Avitus, if you ever need a hand with something don't hesitate to give me a call, I'd be only too happy to help.

Vale.

O. Flavius Pompeius



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21908 From: O. Flavius Pompeius Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Re: New Citizen
Salve Amici,

More citizens :) Seems we've got a few joining up. Welcome to Nova Roma Iulius :) Hope you enjoy your time here, and if youi need a hand with anything, give me a call.

Vale.

O. Flavius Pompeius

P.S. I should have gone trhough the list and chekced to see how many new citizens there were BEFORE sending all these greetings out. Sorry for the spam people.




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21909 From: O. Flavius Pompeius Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Re: New Citizen
Salve amica,

Just thought I would extend a hand and say welcome to Nova Roma. If there's anything at all you need help with don't hesitate to contact me. It's always great to see new citizens.

Welcome.

Vale.

O. Flavius Pompeius




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21910 From: Michael Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Salvete S. Cassius et Gn. Marinus, et salvete omnes:

I hope that (as a new citizen) I'm not sticking my hand in where it
doesn't belong, but...
I noticed that there are only 7 quaestors listed. In Rome, there
were 20 per annum, and 10 of these were specifically assigned tasks
including (drumroll, please) keeping the rolls of citizens. Perhaps
some of the backlog encountered by the censors might be eased by the
appointment of the remaining quaestorships? Then the populace of NR
could be divided amongst them, under the watchful eyes of the
censors, to help in that job. In Rome the censors really only kept
tabs on those in the Senatorial class, so this might be a small but
historically accurate adjustment? Again, I could be treading on toes
here, but it is purely out of ignorance. I will huddle in the corner
over there behind the statue of Iupiter Optimus Maximus with my toga
over my head until the coast is clear...

vale,

Cato


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "s_cassius" <s_cassius@y...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> Thank you for the informative and prompt reply. I appreciate your
> willingness to enlighten my somewhat uncultivated mind! I truly
hope
> I did not offend anyone with my other comments. Though the process
> seemed long, I am an impatient man and I understand that the noble
> citizens of Nova Roma are busy people. Thank you once again.
>
> Vale,
>
> S. Cassius Vespillo
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> <gawne@c...> wrote:
> > Salvete Quirites, et salve S. Cassi,
> >
> > S. Cassius Vespillo writes:
> >
> > > is there any precedent for reviving these lost gentes?
> >
> > Yes. We hold a census every two years in which all p/maters are
> > required to respond to the Censors and confirm that they are
still
> > participating in Nova Roma. We had such a census last year, and
> we'll
> > have another one next year. They are very work intensive for the
> > Censors and the provincial governors.
> >
> > > Could the
> > > pater/materfamilias be contacted and given a suitable amount of
> time
> > > to reply, then if a reply wasn't forthcoming, could a new
> > > pater/materfamilias be appointed?
> >
> > What we currently do is de-certify the gens. If we had a process
> of
> > bequest, in which a p/mater would declare an heir, then that heir
> could
> > inherit. But we don't have anything like that right now.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > -- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21911 From: g_iulius_scaurus Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: ante diem VI Idus Aprilis
G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

Today is ante diem VI Idus Aprilis and the Feria Megalesiae; the day
is nefastus. The Feria Megalesiae continued.

Tomorrow is ante diem V Idus Aprilis and the Feria Megalesiae; the day
is nefastus. The Feria Megalesiae continued.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Aedilis Curulis, Flamen Quirinalis et Pontifex
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21912 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix Quiritibus S.P.D.

Salvete.

This is an issue that has bothered me from the inception of Nova Roma's
taxation plan, and I *wholeheartedly* agree with Gaius Modius: paying
your taxes should be a minimum requirement for citizenship. As with
Gaius Modius, I am by no means a "rich" man, but I fail to see how $12 a
year can be regarded as too onerous a price to pay for Nova Roma. The
price of a large pizza. Or 1/2 a tank of gas. Or a meal at an
*inexpensive* restaurant. I spend more money in a *week* just buying my
morning cup of coffee. My mother's annual membership to her garden club
is over 5 times as much money! If I had my way, our tax rate would be
$25 (or more). Many Christian denominations expect members to tithe
*10%* of their income annually. *10%*!!! We can't even get 12 bucks from
most people. I hate to say it, but I can't see how Nova Roma is ever
going to achieve its goals when over 75% of it's citizens are not even
dedicated enough to cough up the price of a pizza once a year to support
them. I think NR should:

1. Make paying the annual taxes a mandatory requirement for citizenship.

2. Capite Censi would hence forth be non-citizens and listed in a
separate Album. They could not vote (If anyone cares to look, I think
you will find this won't be too much of a change since most Capite Censi
don't bother to vote anyways) in addition to already not being able to
run for elected office, hold appointed office, hold a priesthood, etc.

3. Increase the tax rate to $25 per year for citizens, and $50 per year
for Pater & Mater Familias.

I apologize for the rant, but this is one issue that really gets my
blood boiling.

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix



AthanasiosofSpfd@... wrote:

>Gaius Modius Athanasius L. Arminio Fausto SPD
>
>I agree. Personally, I don't think citizenship should be given out so freely. I think citizens should *at least* be required to pay taxes to keep their citizenship. I know this is an unpopular opinion with many people. I am no rich man. I don't value wealth as much as I value other things in my life, however, I can muster up $12 a year to pay my taxes. If a person simply *cannot* afford $1 a month then it is my opinion that they should worry about other things, instead of worrying about belonging to Nova Roma.
>
>I also believe that it takes a special person to be a Pater Familias. At least a GOOD Pater Familias. As a Pater Familias you should strive to better your Gens and support the members of your familiy. It doesn't matter if these "family members" are of my blood or if they have been "coopted" into my Gens. I have assumed a degree of responsibility for every citizen within my Gens. This should not be taken lightly.
>
>As stated, I did not join NR and create my own Gens. I started out in an existing Gens, and after the blessing my (then) Pater Familias -- Marcus Cassius Iulianus -- I formed Gens Modia. I think it is a dishonor and a disgrace to a Gens if their Pater Familias is a Capite Censi. I also think it is a disgrace to have members of a Gens who are Capite Censi. I fear that I might at least one such occurance in my Gens, and it pains me greatly.
>
>Vale;
>
>Gaius Modius Athanasius
>
>In a message dated 4/7/2004 9:29:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time, lafaustus@... writes:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21913 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: New Citizens
Salvete Gaia et S. Cassius,

Welcome to NR and we hope you have a great experience here. Many of
us will be pleased to guide you or answer your questions. All the
best!

Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21914 From: Pompeia Cornelia Strabo Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: LUDI MEGALESIA MUNERA FINALS
WELCOME CITIZENS AND ALLIES OF OUR FAIR REPUBLIC!!!! THE MOMENT NOVA ROMA
HAS LONG WAITED FOR...THE CLIMAX OF THE SAGA OF CLIFFHANGING EVENTS,
INTENSE GLADIATORIAL ACTION,...THE DISPLAYS OF VICTORY, AND THE LAMENTATIONS
OF LOSSES, BOTH WITH POLARIZED INTENSITY!!!!!


THE CROWD IS A SEA OF WAVES, EACH SPECTATOR SWAYING BACK AND FORTH, SPILLING
THEIR FALERNIAN AS THEY ENGAGE IN THIS MOVEMENT, CHANTING, CHEERING....THIS
IS IT...THIS IS 'IT' !!!!!!!!!!!

OUR TWO CONTENDERS ARE READY AND WILLING....ARE THEY 'ABLE'??

THE TWO SPONSORS OF THE FINALISTS ARE STANDING....DO THEY HAVE ANY
FINGERNAILS LEFT?

Aulus Ambrosius, owner of Cicero.....will Ambrosia, food of the Gods indeed
be dropped on his head in the name of victory.....or, ahh, will his head be
entertaining, ahh, well,'something else'?

Will the fair and resourceful Spuria Septima Fabia Vera Fausta enjoy the
taste of divine favour, or....shall victory "passover" our ordained
gubernatorial keeper of the sacred mysteries?

We shall see very soon!!

BUT FIRST! LET US RECAP THE TYPES OF GLADS WHO HAVE ENTERTAINED IN THIS
GAMES, A COUPLE OF WHOM YOU WILL MEET IN THE ARENA TODAY...


RETIARIUS: His weapon is the net, the trident and a dagger. His
defenses are a protection of arm (manica), that includes the
shoulder.

THRAEX: His weapon is a curved sword (sicca). His defenses are a
closed hull, the crest of the hull has the shape of faucet, a
quadrangular small shield (parmula), long metallic shin pads up to
the thigh and protection in right arm.

SECUTOR: His weapon is a short sword (gladius). His defenses are
closed smooth hull, rectangular big shield (scutum), protection in
right arm and legs. Normally fights only against retiarii.

DIMACHAERUS: His weapons are two curved swords (siccae). His
defenses are protections in arms and legs.


WE HAVE HECKLERS......!!! NO THEY ARE NOT RAPPERS.....oh 'hotty totty' they
claim to be EPIGRAMISTS....OH, THAT MAKES THINGS ALL THAT *much more*
dignified, now doesn't it??? "uggh"

Just listen to this lame rhetoric: !! ???


"Cicero's a jokah and a known precocious BOASTAH
Got his toga JUXTAPOSED once in a broken ROLLAH COASTAH
The mooning he EXPOSED for free,.. caused Gluteal Lunacy!
His ego minimized to what's inside a GARLIC ROASTAH!"

Cunovinda, Cicero's opponent, 'apparently' knows nothing about these
Epigramists (Yeah, sure, and neither does Fabia Vera, right?) but she's
beginning to step toward Cicero with jeers of her own, not to mention
obscene gestures to accompany her words....., how grotesque!!!

"Cicero I got to say, escape while you can get AWAY...
You'll be as finished as Pompey at Pharsalus TODAY!
I got the power Cice!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't need to be a magistrate, or on a CANDIDATE'S LIST
Got the imperium I need when my HANDS MAKE FISTS
To paste you an edictum, CICE, to CEASE AND DESIST"



Convovinda apparently likes to play with words but this isn't a rap battle,
it is a GLADIATORIAL COMBAT.... She can put her glad skills where her mouth
is, nonne??

.LET THE GAMES BEGIN!!!!




Cicero, the Tharax of by Aulus Ambrosius enters the ring, rolling his eyes
at the verbal sniping of our mediocre lyricists.....AND his opponent

Followed by the 'rapping glad', Cunovinda the Retarius, owned by Spuria
Septima Fabia Vera Fausta

Cunovinda, with a bit of work, would do a stint as a beast in the
Venationes....not the type you'd wanna bring home to mamma.....6 foot 4, 286
pounds....imagine dressing and feeding her? And the cost of the
tranquilizers to keep her temper at bay......mercy!

THE FIGHTING BEGINS


And here they are, the two
last fighters of the Ludi Megalesia Munera Gladiatoria.

After a brief physical encounter, Cicero quickly hits the trident
of Cunovinda... she is forced to drop it and there
they are standing and while crowd is cheering the two skillful
fighters are looking at each other and thinking how best to win over the
other. I hope they don't think too long...this isn't a chess tourney!!!

Cunovinda has her net and dagger, Cicero has his sword.
Cunovinda moves first and tries to trap Cicero. Cicero manages to
avoid being caught to the net, but loses his balance. Cunovinda
tries to use this opportunity to attack with her dagger, but the blade
of the dagger is still smaller than the blade of the sword and Cicero
manages to wound the unprotected hand of Cunovinda who now in turn
loses her balance and has to take some rather uncalculated
side steps to avoid falling down.

Cicero jumps a long leap forward and like a slowmotion movie hero
in flight, he turns his upper body and the sword blade
gleaming in the sun. Traveling through the air with dreadful
precision , he delivers a swift swipe of his blade. Cunovinda lies BEHEADED
on the ground!!!!

DID YOU SEE THAT, OR DID YOU BLINK AND MISS IT? ????? ?????


Cicero scarsely fathoms what has happened before he raises his head and
sees that his masterful stroke during the jump has delivered its
purpose in most deadly way. The crowd is astonished from seeing such
acrobatic masterfulness of Cicero, but soon the astonishment changes
into wild cheering!!!!

He must be thinking, I have won, I have won! And victory arrived so
quickly, it was like I missed the moment....He seems to be assimilating that
fact, that yes, quick as it was, VICTORY IS INDEED HIS!

Ambrosius is a happy man (AND IS CURRENTLY LOOKING IN THE PHONE BOOK FOR A
SKILLED TAXIDERMIST)

Fabia Vera has had better days, but she'll get over it She'll miss her
gladiatrix... ahh but she's tough... and has the ability to weather storms
such as these)


The crowd cheers for all the brave fighters at
the Ludi Megalesia Munera Gladiatoria!!!! The fights have ended now,
Cicero is the supreme fighter, but the name and memory of other
excellent fighters lives on.

AVE CICERO
AVE AMBROSIA!!!

UNTIL NEXT TIME, WE WISH YOU BENE VALETE AND BUONA FORTUNA!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21915 From: pompeia_cornelia Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Re: I am so excited!!!
---Salve Gaia Ulleria:

Welcome to the republic. You have certainly been guided into choosing
one of the most virtuous Paters in Nova Roma.

Congratulations on your citizenship.

Pompeia


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaia_ulleria_diota" <lafftur@i...> wrote:
> I received wonderful email from my new Paterfamilias and the Censors
> telling me I have been granted citizenship in Nova Roma! I have been
> reading all the posts with great interest for quite a while and I am
> looking forward to participating fully as a proud Nova Roman
> citizen. Hooray! All honor to Minerva my patroness, and Father
> Iupiter, and noble Uller!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21916 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Salvete Quirites, et salve Cato,

> I noticed that there are only 7 quaestors listed.

That's right. We should have eight, but one resigned last month.

> In Rome, there were 20 per annum,

It depends on when. We go with an earlier model, from a time when there
were eight. (Before the Sullan reforms.)

> and 10 of these were specifically assigned tasks
> including (drumroll, please) keeping the rolls of citizens. Perhaps
> some of the backlog encountered by the censors might be eased by the
> appointment of the remaining quaestorships? Then the populace of NR
> could be divided amongst them, under the watchful eyes of the
> censors, to help in that job.

It's a worthwhile idea. However, I'll mention that there is serious
concern about the number of people who have access to the Censor's
database. That database has information about the names, addresses, and
telephone numbers of all our citizens. Granting more people access to
that information increases the possibility of improper disclosure. This
is why our current Censors have so few assistants.

We do have two of the elected Quaestors working with the Censors
already. (Each Censor gets a Quaestor.)

I am considering a redistribution of the responsibilities of the
Quaestors. So I'll keep your idea in mind.

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21917 From: Agrippina Modia Aurelia Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Invitation to Celebrate the Birth of Nova Roma
Salvete!

Lacus Magni, Regionis Orientalis (OH,WV,KY), is inviting everyone to
join us for an afternoon of good food and good company in
celebration of the birth of Nova Roma. On Saturday, April 24 at
2pm, we will be gathering at Buca di Beppo's in Columbus, OH for a
family-style Italian meal. Several citizens and magistrates will be
in attendance including our propraetor (& quaestor) Marcus Bianchus
Anthonius; his wife and scriba Octavia Bianchia Crispiana; our
procurator, tribune plebius, and Flamen Pomonalis Gaius Modius
Athanasios; and myself among others. Please join us for the
afternoon and help us move Nova Roma from the virtual world into the
real world.

We ask that you RSVP by April 17. You can do so by replying to this
message, or sending an email to my personal email address
(wr@... or the yahoo account this is being sent
from). If you need directions or more information please contact
me. I live in Cincinnati, OH so if there are any citizens in the
area who need a ride please contact me.

LOCATION:
Buca di Beppo
343 North Front Street
Columbus, OH 43215
614-621-3287

DATE/TIME: Saturday, April 24 at 2pm.

Valete,

Agrippina Modia Aurelia
Legate, Regionis Orientalis (OH,WV,KY)
The Great Provincia Lacus Magni


BTW, printed invitations were sent via US mail. If you did not
receive one (and live in OH,WV, or KY), please let me know so I can
add your contact information to our database.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21918 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: 20 Quaestors or so?
Salve Cato, et al

As a former Quaestor I do not know if we need all 20 Quaestors but more work for the current ones would seem to be in order. Only two of our 8 Quaestors (vacancy do to resignation) have any responsibility for any financial activities of of the republic and the role of the others are not al all well defined. If having some of the Quaestor assigned to the Censors to help process citizenships applications in a more timely manner this might be of great service to our future citizens.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Tribunus Plebs


----- Original Message -----
From: Michael
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2004 5:37 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus


Salvete S. Cassius et Gn. Marinus, et salvete omnes:

I hope that (as a new citizen) I'm not sticking my hand in where it
doesn't belong, but...
I noticed that there are only 7 quaestors listed. In Rome, there
were 20 per annum, and 10 of these were specifically assigned tasks
including (drumroll, please) keeping the rolls of citizens. Perhaps
some of the backlog encountered by the censors might be eased by the
appointment of the remaining quaestorships? Then the populace of NR
could be divided amongst them, under the watchful eyes of the
censors, to help in that job. In Rome the censors really only kept
tabs on those in the Senatorial class, so this might be a small but
historically accurate adjustment? Again, I could be treading on toes
here, but it is purely out of ignorance. I will huddle in the corner
over there behind the statue of Iupiter Optimus Maximus with my toga
over my head until the coast is clear...

vale,

Cato


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "s_cassius" <s_cassius@y...> wrote:
> Salve,
>
> Thank you for the informative and prompt reply. I appreciate your
> willingness to enlighten my somewhat uncultivated mind! I truly
hope
> I did not offend anyone with my other comments. Though the process
> seemed long, I am an impatient man and I understand that the noble
> citizens of Nova Roma are busy people. Thank you once again.
>
> Vale,
>
> S. Cassius Vespillo
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> <gawne@c...> wrote:
> > Salvete Quirites, et salve S. Cassi,
> >
> > S. Cassius Vespillo writes:
> >
> > > is there any precedent for reviving these lost gentes?
> >
> > Yes. We hold a census every two years in which all p/maters are
> > required to respond to the Censors and confirm that they are
still
> > participating in Nova Roma. We had such a census last year, and
> we'll
> > have another one next year. They are very work intensive for the
> > Censors and the provincial governors.
> >
> > > Could the
> > > pater/materfamilias be contacted and given a suitable amount of
> time
> > > to reply, then if a reply wasn't forthcoming, could a new
> > > pater/materfamilias be appointed?
> >
> > What we currently do is de-certify the gens. If we had a process
> of
> > bequest, in which a p/mater would declare an heir, then that heir
> could
> > inherit. But we don't have anything like that right now.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > -- Marinus





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21919 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: No quaestors in the Censorial work!
Salve Honorable G. Equitius Cato!

>Salvete S. Cassius et Gn. Marinus, et salvete omnes:
>
>I hope that (as a new citizen) I'm not sticking my hand in where it
>doesn't belong, but...

Nova Roma has a different solution to the problems that You have only
seen a glimpse of. I am a new Censor and I need some time to find out
what the problems are in my new office. I haven't got much guidiance
into my new office and I have had to find out most problems,
solutions and tools by myself. Added to that it seems as if we have a
huge influx of applicant at the moment, while the machinery (my
Cohors) hasn't been built to be ready to fully take care of these
problems yet.

>I noticed that there are only 7 quaestors listed.

The Constitutions say that Nova Roma shall have eight quaestores and
the Quaestor that needs to be elected after te former one must be a
Consular Quaestor.

>In Rome, there
>were 20 per annum

Yes but it was Sulla who during his dictatorship decided to have 20
quaestores elected. We usually don't see Sulla' regime as a model for
Nova Roma.

>, and 10 of these were specifically assigned tasks
>including (drumroll, please) keeping the rolls of citizens.

The Quaestores didn't have anything to do with the work of the
Censors in Roma Antiqua.

>Perhaps
>some of the backlog encountered by the censors might be eased by the
>appointment of the remaining quaestorships?

In Nova Roma the Censors may appoint Scribae according to the Constitution.

I have a Cohors Censoris CFQ (My Censorial Staff) that at the moment
consists of three Scribae, within a couple of weeks I will appoint
more Scribae to assist me in my tasks. It seems as if I will at the
moment need more Scribae then ever to handle this situation. This
seem to be beacuse of a great influx of new applicants, combined with
my ambition to don't accept all the unRoman and some not very serious
applications for names.

I expect the situation to slowly change to the better during this
spring because of the fact that more Censorial Scribae will be
appointed and the change of the rules that I plan to publish. Before
the rules/edictum will be published the Consuls, Praetoirs, Tribunes
and some expert will be consulted.

My Colleague and I have didvided the tasks of the Censors and I have
the responsibility for approving new citizens. When I was campaigning
to become Censor I promsed to try to change the choice of names
within Nova Roma towards a more correct Roman tradition. At the
moment I and my Scriba are doing this by trying to convince new
applicants to choose more Roman sounding names. This is not a very
easy job as Nova Roma has a very unhistoric tradition of naming and
as we have allowed very strange names before. I will try to change
that, but as long as I can stand of alegal ground of an edictum (and
possible later a law) the process by nature will be slow. At the
monent two of my Scribae are researching the "rules" of Roman names.
This research will be presented as new pages for Roman names at the
main site and the new edictum to guide applicants and old citizens.

>Then the populace of NR
>could be divided amongst them, under the watchful eyes of the
>censors, to help in that job. In Rome the censors really only kept
>tabs on those in the Senatorial class, so this might be a small but
>historically accurate adjustment? Again, I could be treading on toes
>here, but it is purely out of ignorance. I will huddle in the corner
>over there behind the statue of Iupiter Optimus Maximus with my toga
>over my head until the coast is clear...

I hope that this has made thing clearer for You?

>vale,
>
>Cato

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21920 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-
Salve,

Well, apply some exchange rates on US$12 and you will have the income
of a whole poor family. However, situation changed since (the best
proposal on NR of all times, every day I praise the gods for it) the
tax know the per capita income variances of the country. I don´t know
about you, but in Brazil, US$ 12,00 are a lot of money. You must
always think we are an international organization, and we have lots
of places diferent on the world than our home.

Gentleman, paying taxes is so problematic even after citizenship...
imagine before!

Alas, why should I pay for NR if I don´t know it well when applying?
I would propose even different, only real old citizens like us should
pay.

Why paying to participate of ´yahoo lists´ on english? This is the
way the majority of the citizens participates. The biggest problem of
NR at least in my province is that I cannot justify well WHY paying
taxes. Website manteinance, archeological projects, I try, but the
´benefit-cost´ is too low of Nova Roma. And why, since the majority
do not speaks english well to talk here? And why since the web acess
is so limitated? And I don´t accuse them, oh no, they are right! Why
sending our poor sweated money, we of poor country, to a
international far-away 'know God where' micronation/organization.
(And situation gets even worse when we talk about the dreamfull
´expensive to the stars´ Roman Disneyworld project... we cannot get
even 1000 assidui!)

However, these issues must be brought to discussion, specially by the
Tribunes.

Vale bene,
L. Arminius Faustus, Tribunus Plebis

PS. Change please this hateful subject of these messages. I hate see
many name on there.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21921 From: Agrippina Modia Aurelia Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Taxes & What Not - the Value of NR
Salve,

> Alas, why should I pay for NR if I don´t know it well when
applying?
> I would propose even different, only real old citizens like us
should
> pay.

Good question - and one that we are in the process of addressing in
Lacus Magni (the great lakes region of the US). When I joined I
didn't even realize there were taxes as I didn't see anything about
it on the website (remember its a big site with lots of info to
troll through as newbie). I didn't have a problem with them but I
was curious as to what happened to the money. Once I got a handle
on it, I wrote a small pamphlet explaining: how much the taxes were,
how they could be paid, included 2002's financial statement (2003's
wasn't up yet), compared our "tax rate" with the membership dues of
several other organizations, and explained that our province gets
1/2 of our tax money back for events & what not. This entire
pamphlet is going to be incorporated into a printed "Welcome Packet"
we plan on snail mailing to all our new citizens. This packet
includes information on NR's political offices (at this point I've
cut & paste the info off the website), the Religio, the various
sodalitas (including ML links), the Magna Mater project, among other
things. The thought is that by receiving something tangible by mail
it helps people to realize we are more than a virtual organization.
Additionally it gives them a conscise guide to NR that is easily
referenced (as the website is a bit daunting and a tad
unorganized). Hopefully this will make people more comfortable with
shelling out that $12.

Perhaps you could use something like this in your provincia?
Citizens then can see concretely that they are NOT paying solely for
free Yahoo groups in English - there are other things beyond that
(and even the Magna Mater project). Besides, $12 US is not a lot
when compared to other organizations (US-based, sorry). The going
rate from the few I surveyed was between $20-$30+, so $12 is pretty
small by comparison. Aside from which, as someone once pointed out
to me, having people pay up front could very well cut down on people
joining and disappearing shortly after. Only those really serious
would likely be willing to pay. Besides, most organizations in the
US that I am familiar with require an up-front payment to join -
even Greenpeace and the Sierra Club require that (no flame wars on
environment organizations please, they just popped into my head
first).

On our provincial mailing list I (as well as the other legates) have
been compiling info on events (lectures, exhibits, plays, etc) which
are added to the calendar section each Yahoo group comes with,
created a database of museums with permanent Roman exhibits, and
will be creating a database of Roman-ish areas (i.e. the Pomona
Winery in Pomona, IL) within Lacus Magni. The next step will be to
organize provincial or regional 'field trips' to these
areas/events. Here again, we're creating value for that $12 their
paying. While we may not foot the bill for these trips, at least we
are getting together in face-to-face meetings, and fulfilling what
seems to be one of the top reasons people join - to learn more about
ancient Rome.

BTW - if there are citizens within Lacus Magni who are not
subscribed to the provincial list I implore you to subscribe. Its a
low volume list (don't worry I do not flood the list with event
reminders). Place into digest or even 'special notice' mode and use
it as a resource! If you need the link, email me!

Vale,

Agrippina Modia Aurelia
Legate, Regionis Orientalis (OH,WV,KY)
The Great Provincia Lacus Magni
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21922 From: Stephen Gallagher Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: A question for New Citizens ?
Salve and welcome to our new citizens.

I hope your next 50 years or so with us will be filled with enjoyment, good friendships and an increased understanding of Roma and Nova Roma.

I have a question.

A discussion is currently ongoing about taxes and I was wondering how it would have effected your application for citizenship if you had been told up front that you were required to pay taxes of $12 US dollars or less for per year.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Tribunus Plebs
Assidui

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21923 From: s_cassius Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Salvete,

Almost every organization I've seen costs at least $50.00 per year,
and from my initial impression, I would say Nova Roma merits at
least that much. However, does our worldwide membership make one
standard rate difficult? Perhaps $12.00 is not too onerous a burden
for anyone, but could a slightly inflated rate suddenly put
citizenship out of reach for some? Is there already a system in
place to account for such discrepancies? I'm sure someone much wiser
than I has already given this much thought...

Valete,

S. Cassius Vespillo

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus
<c.minucius.hadrianus@n...> wrote:
> C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix Quiritibus S.P.D.
>
> Salvete.
>
> This is an issue that has bothered me from the inception of Nova
Roma's
> taxation plan, and I *wholeheartedly* agree with Gaius Modius:
paying
> your taxes should be a minimum requirement for citizenship. As
with
> Gaius Modius, I am by no means a "rich" man, but I fail to see how
$12 a
> year can be regarded as too onerous a price to pay for Nova Roma.
The
> price of a large pizza. Or 1/2 a tank of gas. Or a meal at an
> *inexpensive* restaurant. I spend more money in a *week* just
buying my
> morning cup of coffee. My mother's annual membership to her garden
club
> is over 5 times as much money! If I had my way, our tax rate would
be
> $25 (or more). Many Christian denominations expect members to
tithe
> *10%* of their income annually. *10%*!!! We can't even get 12
bucks from
> most people. I hate to say it, but I can't see how Nova Roma is
ever
> going to achieve its goals when over 75% of it's citizens are not
even
> dedicated enough to cough up the price of a pizza once a year to
support
> them. I think NR should:
>
> 1. Make paying the annual taxes a mandatory requirement for
citizenship.
>
> 2. Capite Censi would hence forth be non-citizens and listed in a
> separate Album. They could not vote (If anyone cares to look, I
think
> you will find this won't be too much of a change since most Capite
Censi
> don't bother to vote anyways) in addition to already not being
able to
> run for elected office, hold appointed office, hold a priesthood,
etc.
>
> 3. Increase the tax rate to $25 per year for citizens, and $50 per
year
> for Pater & Mater Familias.
>
> I apologize for the rant, but this is one issue that really gets
my
> blood boiling.
>
> Valete,
>
> C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix
>
>
>
> AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
>
> >Gaius Modius Athanasius L. Arminio Fausto SPD
> >
> >I agree. Personally, I don't think citizenship should be given
out so freely. I think citizens should *at least* be required to
pay taxes to keep their citizenship. I know this is an unpopular
opinion with many people. I am no rich man. I don't value wealth
as much as I value other things in my life, however, I can muster up
$12 a year to pay my taxes. If a person simply *cannot* afford $1 a
month then it is my opinion that they should worry about other
things, instead of worrying about belonging to Nova Roma.
> >
> >I also believe that it takes a special person to be a Pater
Familias. At least a GOOD Pater Familias. As a Pater Familias you
should strive to better your Gens and support the members of your
familiy. It doesn't matter if these "family members" are of my
blood or if they have been "coopted" into my Gens. I have assumed a
degree of responsibility for every citizen within my Gens. This
should not be taken lightly.
> >
> >As stated, I did not join NR and create my own Gens. I started
out in an existing Gens, and after the blessing my (then) Pater
Familias -- Marcus Cassius Iulianus -- I formed Gens Modia. I think
it is a dishonor and a disgrace to a Gens if their Pater Familias is
a Capite Censi. I also think it is a disgrace to have members of a
Gens who are Capite Censi. I fear that I might at least one such
occurance in my Gens, and it pains me greatly.
> >
> >Vale;
> >
> >Gaius Modius Athanasius
> >
> >In a message dated 4/7/2004 9:29:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
lafaustus@y... writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21924 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Too Slow!
Salvete,

Just checking out things. Postings are still very slow.

QLP
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21925 From: Michael Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Re: Choosing gentes-A response to L. Arminius Faustus
Woohoo! no-one threw roofing tiles at me! Yet.

Salve Marinus, et salvete quirites:

Gotcha. To be honest, I hadn't even considered the privacy issue.
What you said makes sense; perhaps if you divided the populace in
such a way that each quaestor would only have access to a specific
section, this might help reduce that possibility? OH! If there ever
WERE any problems, we could set up a quaestio ambitus and slow-roast
any wrongdoers!
Sulla *grumble grumble* traitor to his class *grumble grumble* but
reforms good...

vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@c...> wrote:
> Salvete Quirites, et salve Cato,
>
> > I noticed that there are only 7 quaestors listed.
>
> That's right. We should have eight, but one resigned last month.
>
> > In Rome, there were 20 per annum,
>
> It depends on when. We go with an earlier model, from a time when
there
> were eight. (Before the Sullan reforms.)
>
> > and 10 of these were specifically assigned tasks
> > including (drumroll, please) keeping the rolls of citizens.
Perhaps
> > some of the backlog encountered by the censors might be eased by
the
> > appointment of the remaining quaestorships? Then the populace of
NR
> > could be divided amongst them, under the watchful eyes of the
> > censors, to help in that job.
>
> It's a worthwhile idea. However, I'll mention that there is
serious
> concern about the number of people who have access to the Censor's
> database. That database has information about the names,
addresses, and
> telephone numbers of all our citizens. Granting more people access
to
> that information increases the possibility of improper disclosure.
This
> is why our current Censors have so few assistants.
>
> We do have two of the elected Quaestors working with the Censors
> already. (Each Censor gets a Quaestor.)
>
> I am considering a redistribution of the responsibilities of the
> Quaestors. So I'll keep your idea in mind.
>
> -- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21926 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Names (WAS: I Hope I'm Not Being Impatient)
A. Apollonius Cordus to his friend the Aedile C.
Iulius Scaurus, and to all his fellow-citizens and all
peregrines, greetings.

I hope you're well; I'm well.

> I would like to see the evidence that Sulpicia is
> not a female
> praenomen, since any gentile nomen can be feminised
> to form the
> praenomen of a daughter...

Allow me to take some of the heat for this. What I
mentioned to Cornificia Sylvana was that Sulpicius /
-a was not a traditional praenomen - that is, not one
of the traditional selection of praenomina given to
men (since women rarely had praenomina in this sense
at all). I should have made clear, but didn't, that I
was pre-supposing that in Nova Roma women's names are
covered in principle by the same tripartite naming
convention as applied to men in the ancient republic.

The reasons I pre-suppose this are, first, that most
women in Nova Roma demonstrably do have tripartite
names which are in most cases clearly intended to fit
into the traditional male tripartite naming
conventions; second, that in view of the equal status
given to men and women in Nova Roma, combined with the
ancient Roman belief that the tripartite name was an
important (though not fundamentally necessary)
indicator of full Roman citizenship, it seems
appropriate that women's names be governed by the same
conventions as men's names; and third, that it would
be iniquitous for women to be free to choose from a
wider range of praenomina than men given the absence
of any historical basis for such a freedom.

When you say that "any gentile nomen can be feminised
to form the praenomen of a daughter", you're using
'praenomen' to mean something different from what it
would mean in reference to a man's name. During the
republic most women didn't have an equivalent to the
male praenomen and therefore a one's gentile name
would be her first name; so in that sense I suppose
it's fair to call it her 'praenomen'. But it's
slightly misleading, since it suggests that it's the
same sort of name as a man's praenomen, i.e. one
chosen and given by the parents rather than one
automatically and involuntarily inherited; and of
course for women it was of the latter kind rather than
the former.

Since women in Nova Roma have tripartite names of
basically the same kind as men, a woman's praenomen is
not dictated by her gens or family but is freely
chosen. Given this, it is surely only sensible that
women's praenomina be limited to the same small
selection of traditional praenomina available to men.
It was in this sense that I said to Sylvana, as I
would say to anyone, that Sulpicius / -a is not a
traditional praenomen.

> ... On
> marriage in manus it was not uncommon for a wife to
> take the feminised
> form of the husband's nomen in addition to the
> feminised paternal
> nomen...
[and to quote from another message you wrote on the
same subject:]
> The inference I'd make from the name Sulpicia
> Cornificia was that she was a Sulpician who married
> in manu a Cornifician and as a result of marriage in
> manu became a Cornifician.

That would be a fair inference were we in the ancient
republic; but since we are in Nova Roma, in which
women's names are in general governed by the same
conventions as are men's, it would be an unsound
inference. But this is an important issue: often Roman
names imply things about their bearers, and people
need to be fully aware of these implications before
they choose their names, or else they will find
themselves saddled with misleading names which give
people the wrong impression about them. It's another
facet of the same problem as produces citizens whose
cognomina end in -ianus / -iana but who are not
adopted, or whose praenomina suggest something about
their birth (Quintus/a, Sextus/a, Postumus/a) which
isn't true. It's not their fault, of course, and I
quite agree with Sylvana that something ought to be
done to improve the guidance given on the website; but
it's still a problem, albeit a minor one.

> ... In any case it is better
> onomastic practice than hundreds of other examples
> in the Album Civium.

On that we can completely agree; but of course the
fact that some of the horses have already bolted is
not a good reason to open the stable door and let the
rest out.





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21927 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: Re: A question for New Citizens ?
Salve Tribune Tiberi,

When I looked at the NR website and all it had to offer I wondered
why there was not some sort of tax system or membership fee. Because
there is so much to pick up and absorb for a new citizen I did not
realize there was a tax until after several weeks in NR.

Your question is not easy to answer since each of us has an
individual attitude regarding taxes or fees. Some people offer to or
send their denari without even blinking an eye yet others are very
tight fisted hum and haw and resent sending even 50 cents. As an
example in our Mexican association we asked for a 25.00 (16.00) US
fee. Most of our people when contacted gave a beig song and dance
that it was hard, not practical too expensive etc. I can see a poor
campisino making 500 US a year saying this but not others who wear
more gold and glitter than King Tut himself, have beautiful homes
and late model cars. Such is life my friend!

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:
> Salve and welcome to our new citizens.
>
> I hope your next 50 years or so with us will be filled with
enjoyment, good friendships and an increased understanding of Roma
and Nova Roma.
>
> I have a question.
>
> A discussion is currently ongoing about taxes and I was wondering
how it would have effected your application for citizenship if you
had been told up front that you were required to pay taxes of $12 US
dollars or less for per year.
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Tribunus Plebs
> Assidui
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21928 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: How to pay taxes
[posted to main list with cc to original sender]


Salve S. Cassi, et salvete Quirites,

s_cassius wrote:

> how does a good citizen go about paying his or her taxes?

The simplest way is:

1. Go to http://novaroma.org/main.html

2. Scroll down about 3/4 of the way down the page, to where you'll see
three "banners" grouped together. The one on the left is purple, and
alternates between saying "Dono Dare" and "Donate to Nova Roma." Click
on that banner.

3. You'll be taken to a PayPal interface which is set up to accept
PayPal payments for Nova Roma. If you've used PayPal before all you'll
have to do is type in your PayPal user information, say that you're
sending $12 to Nova Roma, and in the comment box, specify your Nova
Roman name and the fact that this $12 is for annual tax payment.

For the complete text of this year's tax edict, see

http://novaroma.org/tabularium/edicts/consul-2004-02-01.html

That includes instructions about how to pay by mail, if you don't want
to use PayPal.

While nobody is required to pay the tax, I strongly encourage all
citizens to pay. If nothing else, it has a profound effect on how much
your vote counts for. All capiti censi (literally "head count," meaning
people who don't pay tax) are grouped into the four huge urban tribes
and into the last century. Assidui (tax paying citizens) are placed
into the much smaller tribes and centuries of the assidui.

Valete,

--
Gn. Equitius Marinus
Consul
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 21929 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2004-04-08
Subject: CANADA OCCIDENTALIS - EDICTUM NO. 19 - Appointment of Legates And
From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus
Date: Thursday April 8, 2004 08:42
Subject: CANADA OCCIDENTALIS EDICTA NUMBER EIGHTEEN


CANADA OCCIDENTALIS EDICTA NUMBER NINETEEN


APPOINTMENT OF SENIOR LEGATE,LEGATE AND LICTOR FOR CANADA
OCCIDENTALIS



8 March 2004

Salvete my fellow Nova Romans,

With great pleasure,

I, Quintus, Lanius Paulinus, Propraetor Canada Occidentalis, issue
the following Edicta
to announce the appointment of:

1)Quaestor Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa as Senior Legate
for Canada Occidentalis.

2)Quintus Sertorius as Legate for our Winnipeg and Manitoba region
of Canada Occidentalis

3) Gnaeus Iulius Caesar as Lictor and Scriba for our Citizen and
Citizenship Department

I look forward to working with these gentlemen to promote and bill
our province in Res Republica!

Valete bene

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Propraetor

Canada Occidentalis