Ave,

Think what you will of the Gaul's military ability, Maintaining an
army in the field for 10 years in hostile territory, keeping them "fed
& paid" is no mean feat. There is an old saying "Amateurs think
strategy, professionals think logistics" that applies here.

Caesar's dispostion of forces in the Gallic revolt was masterful. It's
his political skills that I think are vastly over rated. The fact that
there was a Gallic revolt for him to react to points to that as well
as the fact that he found himself in the postion of marching on Rome
or facing political destruction, and even his assassination. Armed
revolt and assassination aren't evidance of a skillfully handled
political situation.

Drusus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "quintuscassiuscalvus"
<richmal@c...> wrote:

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus"
> <drusus@b...> wrote:
> >
> > 2. G. Iulius Caesar His Gallic Campaigns were brilliant.
> >
>
> Salve,
>
> With all due respect to both yourself and Caesar, I don't think his
> Gallic campaigns were all that spectacular. All the Gauls had on
> their side was home field advantage and more men to lose. The Gauls
> faced a superior force in terms of training and weaponry that even a
> mediocre general who kept them fed and paid could have done as
> well. Had Caesar not been assassinated and he made with his plans
> to go up against the Parthians then we would know just how great a
> general he was when faced with a real opponent.
>
> Vale,
>
> Calvus

SALVE G LAELI PERTINAX

> Actually, I think Hannibal was an excellent strategist ! That is
>why I think he did not attack Rome after Cannae; he planned a
>strategic defeat of Rome, (involving Macedonia into the war,
>finding allies amongst the Italic cities etc.) which, if it had
>succeeded, would have been far more disastrous and decisive than
>any tactical defeat.

Well, we both know how genius he was; he planned a lot, had many,
many results, and all the dedication, strenght and blood of Romans
had to be put for having him defeated. It was a really long war,
abou 15 yrs during wich he remained in Italy; but, in my opinion, it
is just this long stay that demonstrates how he could not plan a
direct attack to the Urbes; we have to think that he often was with
a bigger army and with a bigger morale after his many victories, but
he didn't. In my opinion, this is a lack for the Best General. He
could not do the last strike, but he had some chances to take Rome.
So, in my opinion, he was incomplete. And this fact, more than the
fact that he was finally defeated, has a weight in my final
classification (where he probably could be at the 4th or 5th
place...).

Caesar was great becase could win with many different enemies, as
someone said: Gauls, Germans, Hispanici, ...Romans, Alexandrines and
something more. And Romans had at that time the best army in the
world. Winning once, twice, three toimes in a civil war, I think, is
most difficoult and tragic thing to do for a General.

BENE VALE
L IUL SULLA

> Anyway, here is my list
>
> 1: Hannibal Barca
> 2: Scipio Africanus
> 3. Hamilcar Barca
>
> Alexander and Caesar are not on my list because I think that in

both cases, if put in the same place, any of the above 3 commanders
would have been able to get the same or an even better result. As
mentioned, any properly trained Roman army would have defeated the
Gauls, and in my opinion, any Greek army would at that time likewise
have been able to defeat the Persians.

> Caesar is definitely in my list of top 3 politicians though...
>
> Vale,
> Gaius Laelius Pertinax
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lucius Iulius
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 23:17
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Best Generals of Antiquity
>
>
> AVETE CIVES
>
> I'll say my thoughts abot this topic.
> In my opinion, among the best Generals of Antiquity we should
> mention the most complete ones. So, we could not put in this

list

> Hannibal, because, if he was a real genius for tactic, his

strategy

> was not so good, if we want to believe that he could destroy

Rome,

> but hopefully he didn't. Caesar was a genius for tactic,

strategy,

> engineering for war and organization. But he did not do any
> innvation, probably because Scipio and Marius had done before

any

> possible innovation for that time.
> I agree with who said that it could be difficoult to say who was

the

> best among a lot of great generals (nobody mentioned Agrippa!),

but

> if we want to talk about real genius, than I should say:
>
> -Scipio Africanus
> -C Iulius Caesar
> -Alexander Magnus
>
> Then, if we want to extend this topic to the best man in the
> antiquity, I have no doubts, C Iulius Caesar was the best,

because

> even fine literary man, orator, politician, statesman... hat did

I

> forget?
>
> BENE VALETE
> L IUL SULLA
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> <gawne@c...> wrote:
> > Salvete Quirites,
> >
> > Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus asked:
> >
> > > I'm curious to know, my fellow Romans, who you think are
> > > the best generals of Antiquity, preferably ranked (from 1
> > > to whatever), and, more importantly, why.
> >
> > This can get tricky unless we define what we mean by

Antiquity.

> I'm
> > going to restrict myself to generals who operated in the

theatres

> of
> > Western Civilization before the year 450 CE. That eliminates

Sun

> Tsu,
> > Charlamagne, and Belisarius -- all great generals who deserve

to

> be
> > mentioned in any roll call of the greatest generals of all

time.

> >
> > 1. Alexander the Great (aka Alexander III of Macedon). Took

the

> > Phalanx his father had developed into a disciplined army, and

used

> it as
> > the nucleus of a new kind of fighting force. He changed
> everything.
> >
> > 2. Gaius Iulius Caesar. As QFM has already said, defeating

Gauls

> > wasn't such an amazing accomplishment. But Caesar defeated

Gauls,

> > Brittons, Germans, and Romans. A military genius who

understood

> all of
> > the aspects of warfare as it is taught to this day.
> >
> > 3. Hannibal Barca. The hammer that forged Rome into tempered
> steel.
> > Hannibal might have rivaled Alexander if he'd had the base of
> support
> > that Alexander enjoyed. As a military genius he was quite
> possibly the
> > equal of Alexander, and might even have approached Caesar.
> >
> > There are many Romans worthy of inclusion in this list. In no
> > particular order they include Scipio Africanus, Quintus

Sertorius,

> > Lucius Aemilius Paulus, Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus, and old

Quintus

> Fabius
> > Maximus Cunctator. Also, deserving honorable mention, is that
> most
> > unlikely of generals, Caecilius Metellus Pius -- a man who

knew

> his own
> > limitations and who was able to think about logistics and
> sustainment
> > while he let his Centurions think about the fighting.
> >
> > Valete Quirites,
> >
> > -- Marinus
>
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In a message dated 6/28/04 10:59:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
21aprile@... writes:

> Well, we both know how genius he was; he planned a lot, had many,
> many results, and all the dedication, strenght and blood of Romans
> had to be put for having him defeated. It was a really long war,
> abou 15 yrs during wich he remained in Italy; but, in my opinion, it
> is just this long stay that demonstrates how he could not plan a
> direct attack to the Urbes; we have to think that he often was with
> a bigger army and with a bigger morale after his many victories, but
> he didn't. In my opinion, this is a lack for the Best General. He
> could not do the last strike, but he had some chances to take Rome.
> So, in my opinion, he was incomplete.

He was incomplete because he wasn't supported. Supported and he sets up his
Italian confederation, they hem Rome in , and Rome just becomes another city
state on the peninsula.
He never had the chance to take Rome unless someone would open a gate.
You cannot critizize a General who has no support from his home nation and is
expected to continue on his own resources.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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Salve

With all due respect to Q. Fabius if the man that beat Hannibal is third best then there is not a first and second.

P. Cornelius Scipio Africanus was the best general or better still the best "Capitan" in military history.

If Caesar, Hannibal and Napoleon were great "Captains" then Scipio was the best of the best and always remained, even after his county had no more use for him a "Republican" General.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 1:38 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] The Best Generals of Antiquity


Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus Omnibus sal.

Salvete,

In his last post, Q. Fabius referred to the esteemed P. Cornelius Scipio Africanus as the "third best general in antiquity." So now I'm curious to know, my fellow Romans, who you think are the best generals of Antiquity, preferably ranked (from 1 to whatever), and, more importantly, why. I'm curious to see who we come up with.

Valete,

Q. Caec. Met. Post.

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Salve Romans

Now I have heard it all.

Pompeia Minucia Strabo is the new Publius Cornelius Scipio?


L. Arminius Faustus who said in part

"That is why I voted for Pompeia Minucia Strabo as censor, that is why I ask humble your vote for her."


Pompeia Minucia Strabo is the new Publius Cornelius Scipio.


I do not know if I should laugh or cry.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: Lucius Arminius Faustus
To: Listaplebeia ; LISTONA
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 6:58 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Scipio, Strabo and the Censorship



Salvete, citizens,

Allow me to reach you to express my feelings.

When I consider the matters of Nova Roma, History should be our guide and teacher. Besides petty politics and vanity of glory, we must be hungry of the closer following of the ancient uses, specially the roman virtues. The roman virtues were all the basis of the roman power and model to the world. We should seek and follow them like the ships on the darkness of the sea following the Lighthouse of Alexandria.

Like many of you, I also was faced to a question these days on the cista. Like many of you, I have swing on a sea of doubts before voting.

I tried to think like the ancient romans - to do a vote worthy of them.

So a piece of roman History has come to my thoughts, as light.

It was on the Second Punic War.

Never the romans faced a so dark time. The roman she-wolf was at the feet of the cartaginian elefant and only its pride prevented to not claim for mercy. The two Scipios and their armies lost on Spain, three major defeats on Italy at the hands of Hannibal (Trebia, Trasimenus, Cannae), the famous cities of Siracuse, Capua and Tarento rebelious following the cartaginians, alliance of Philip V of Macedonia againt Rome, samnites and ligurians already in open war, the gauls and etruscans just awaiting to unrest, the latins disapointed and without hopes, the own population of Roman citizens cut to half...

On this dark scenario, the romans elected the young Publius Cornelius Scipio to lead the armies of Spain... marching on the very tomb of his father and uncle directly to the teeth of three cartaginian armies.

The virtue of the ancient romans was so big that besides the ´qualifications´ and ´cursus honorum´ of many other candidates, the romans unnanimously elected the young and unexperienced Scipio on the dangerous and rebelious Hispania.

Although all world was against the Rome, Hispania was really the worst place for a roman.

Let me recall the situation of Spain that times... Publius and Cneus Cornelius Scipio were just defeated and have fallen on battlefield with their roman armies. Three cartaginian armies and generals divided the province, Asdrubal-the-young (brother of Hannibal), Magon and Asdrubal Gisco. Hispânia was crawling with mercyless cartaginians and angry rebellious celtiberians, the native population was just awaiting to claim their liberty of the foreign invaders, full of manpower to lead as many wars as they need. Hispania was also the very headquarters of Hannibal, and not only Hannibal, (if this commander, this Mars, were not enough), but before than him the heroes of the First Punic War, Amilcar Barca and Asdrubal-the-old. Not ony the footprints of these might generals, but also facing the inexpugnable walls of Carthago Nova and the ruins of Saguntum, rased to the ground by the alliance with Rome as an exemple. More, Scipio would face the numidian cavalary of Masinissa running
powerfull and undefeated... and the own interest of the might Carthago sending year after year new armies to keep their conquests of Spain.

When I consider the virtue of the romans, I get impressed how far we are from them, and how the virtue lead them from the eve of defeat to the ultimate victory. There was many qualified men of many past magistratures on Rome, but the romans knew qualifications without virtues are worthy of shame, not pride and the true qualification is the virtue.

And the result of this confidence of the romans on their true virtues?

Cartago Nova taken, the numidians joining the romans as allies, the three Hispanias pacified, the freedon of Italy, the ultimate victory of Zama over Hannibal, and Carthago at feet of Rome, claiming for mercy at the eve of its doom.

This vote of confidence of the romans to Scipio was the very first reason of the conquest of the world by the romans. After the defeat of Carthago by Scipio, the ´young´, ´unexperienced´ and ´without qualifications´ Scipio, the romans were on the verge of sucess that made them the lords of their age.

But there is more qualifications than virtues?
The Ancient Romans say ´no´.

That is why I voted for Pompeia Minucia Strabo as censor, that is why I ask humble your vote for her.

Anyone who see her path on our republic can see nobody more than her have matureness enough to deal with the censorship affairs. And matureness seems lacking on our infortunatly petty politics and endless struggles. But allow me to show how outside this organization, these roman virtues have expression on her life. This experienced nurse deals all life with people, know how to get into their hearts, and to know their pain. She knows the human pain more than anyone here. Not a easy dealing. Anyone that had already look into the eyes of the human misery of disease and weakness knows poor spirits cannot support this look. The human been doesn´t come the same after this look. This is a most valuable experience that is more worthy than any rethoric and speeches, and there is no words capable to express... only the ones who have passed... and survived... the experience of human pain, not only suffering on the flesh, but fighting it everyday.

I said about her Matureness, this light of Humanitas, Auctoritas and Clementia?
So I say about Firmitas - Besides many disappointment and nasty attacks she received on her public life on Nova Roma - and against this petty politics the best weapon is forgetting about - she has never abandoned the hopes on our Republic, like the defeated but still virtuous Rome has never bowed to Hannibal.

I said about Firmitas?
So I say about Prudentia. Strabo comes back to the service of the Republic like Scipio overcame the grief by the death of his father and uncle and defeating the cartaginians. I´m sure she have the forecast and clear view of the situation of our citizens and its needs to deal properly on the censorship.

I could make longer and longer this speech telling about the expression of the roman virtues on her path, but I understand the time is short and the matter is alread known by the citizens. But I have a confidence she will be on the censorship the new Scipio that will have the ultimate victory against our flaws and turn the tide to the growing of Nova Roma, on this eternal Forth Punic War against our own flaws and petty struggles.

I have voted in Pompeia Minucia Strabo like the ancient romans voted on Publius Cornelius Scipio. A vote for virtue... For Rome, for the roman virtues, for the Scipio´s memory - vote Pompeia Minucia Strabo for censor.

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Salve,

I will go by the era set of Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
(to 450 CE), but maybe breach it a bit.

Well, here goes. My list is more of an all-round look:

1) Gaius Julius Caesar. I know that many have been
arguing about his Gallic campaigns, but he did so much
that others did not. Let us not forget his capture of
the pirates. And he was politically astute, as he
realized the necessity of buying allies to protect his
person. It was hardly his fault that things turned out
the way they did. He acted as constitutionally as
possible, and it could hardly be laid at his doorstep
that his enemies took it into their own hands to go
outside the law. His ambition was his downfall, and a
demerit point.
2) Hannibal Barca. For the same reasons given before,
so I won't enumerate them here. Again, ambition was
the major detractor..."pride goeth before the fall".
3) Scipio Africanus. He had everything that a general
could want, support from the Senate, and he learnt
from the masters.
4) Gaiseric. An incredibly crafty man, intelligent and
resourceful man, who was not only successful in war
both on land and on sea (despite the lack of
seigecraft), but was also a very shrewd diplomat and
politician.
5) Marcus Claudius Marcellus. The final man to win the
spolia opimia, as well as responsible for several of
the victories in the Second Punic War.
6) Quintus Sertorius. As said before, a great
commander who did amazing things with incredibly
limited resources.
7) Tied. Gaius Marius and Lucius Cornelius Sulla. Many
great victories, however, marred by ambition and
wanton bloodshed on both sides.

Just a few thoughts.

Vale bene,

Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura



--- Stephen Gallagher <spqr753@...> wrote:
---------------------------------
Salve

With all due respect to Q. Fabius if the man that beat
Hannibal is third best then there is not a first and
second.

P. Cornelius Scipio Africanus was the best general or
better still the best "Capitan" in military history.

If Caesar, Hannibal and Napoleon were great "Captains"
then Scipio was the best of the best and always
remained, even after his county had no more use for
him a "Republican" General.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 1:38 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] The Best Generals of Antiquity


Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus Omnibus sal.

Salvete,

In his last post, Q. Fabius referred to the esteemed
P. Cornelius Scipio Africanus as the "third best
general in antiquity." So now I'm curious to know, my
fellow Romans, who you think are the best generals of
Antiquity, preferably ranked (from 1 to whatever),
and, more importantly, why. I'm curious to see who we
come up with.

Valete,

Q. Caec. Met. Post.

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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, QFabiusMaxmi@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 6/28/04 10:59:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
> 21aprile@e... writes:
>
> > Well, we both know how genius he was; he planned a lot, had many,
> > many results, and all the dedication, strenght and blood of Romans
> > had to be put for having him defeated. It was a really long war,
> > abou 15 yrs during wich he remained in Italy; but, in my opinion, it
> > is just this long stay that demonstrates how he could not plan a
> > direct attack to the Urbes; we have to think that he often was with
> > a bigger army and with a bigger morale after his many victories, but
> > he didn't. In my opinion, this is a lack for the Best General. He
> > could not do the last strike, but he had some chances to take Rome.
> > So, in my opinion, he was incomplete.
>
> He was incomplete because he wasn't supported. Supported and he

sets up his

> Italian confederation, they hem Rome in , and Rome just becomes

another city

> state on the peninsula.
> He never had the chance to take Rome unless someone would open a gate.
> You cannot critizize a General who has no support from his home

nation and is

> expected to continue on his own resources.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus

Hanibal knew that he had no support from the Carthagenian government
before he left Spain. This was the first flaw in his stragity, and a
major basic flaw. The Socii realized that if Carthage won they would
be trading Roman Domination for the even more Alien Cartheginian
Domination, something they wanted no part of. This was at a time when
Rome's Allies still had hopes of peacefully gaining Roman Citizenship.
Failure to understand this was the second major flaw in Hanibal's plan.

Tacticly Hanibal was one of the best Generals, but I can't call
relying on such a deeply flawed plan the mark of a great stratigic
General.

On the Other hand in a way his plan did suceed, though not in any way
that would have planned on or benifitted from. Rome was never the same
place after he crossed the Alps, and the conditions that resulted in
the Republic self destructing grew out of the Second Punic War. This
is why I personally date Hanibal's Alpine journey as the end of the
middle republican period in Roman history.

L. Sicinius Drusus

Salve,

Pauline, I´m much disappointed with you by this email, this
provocation unworthy of a Tribune, but I will answer anyway.

"I do not know if I should laugh or cry"

I. You should laugh by your own mis-interpretation of what I´ve said.
I adress to re-read carefully, and warn that a good Tribune should be
slower to make this kind of comment.

II. You should cry by making a free provocation to a colleague on the
Tribunate. It is mostly ´unwise´ politically speaking... (since
people seems to not understand the argument of the roman virtues,
perhaps should understand the politics... hum?)

III. A man holding the Tribuneship should be very carefull with his
words. I joke with no one, and I demand the same respect and
gravitas. Remember the words of Plato ´The words causes the worst
punishment the Gods can send to men´. Your words are made of gold or
sand? If sand, spend anywhere freely. If gold, spend carefully for
good and noble causes. And remember in the future that ´when you have
nothing good to say, remain silent´.

Vale bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus TRP


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:

> Salve Romans
>
> Now I have heard it all.
>
> Pompeia Minucia Strabo is the new Publius Cornelius Scipio?
>
>
> L. Arminius Faustus who said in part
>
> "That is why I voted for Pompeia Minucia Strabo as censor, that is

why I ask humble your vote for her."

>
>
> Pompeia Minucia Strabo is the new Publius Cornelius Scipio.
>
>
> I do not know if I should laugh or cry.
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

Gaius Modius Athanasius L. Arminio Fausto salutem dicit

I have seen you make comments from time to time such as, "and warn that a
good Tribune should be slower to make this kind of comment.." Are YOU the
authority on what is a good tribune and not a good tribune? The tribunes work
together, but we are not a college.

I agree with him. I too do not know if I should laugh or cry.

Furthermore, I wholeheartedly support Sulla for Censor. He is a good man,
not of course without his faults (we all have our faults), but he is the best
for the job. He has done it before, he is a senator, a consular, and a man
capable of holding office without running away from his responsibilities.

Valete;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 6/29/2004 8:39:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
lafaustus@... writes:
Salve,

Pauline, I´m much disappointed with you by this email, this
provocation unworthy of a Tribune, but I will answer anyway.

"I do not know if I should laugh or cry"

I. You should laugh by your own mis-interpretation of what I´ve said.
I adress to re-read carefully, and warn that a good Tribune should be
slower to make this kind of comment.

II. You should cry by making a free provocation to a colleague on the
Tribunate. It is mostly ´unwise´ politically speaking... (since
people seems to not understand the argument of the roman virtues,
perhaps should understand the politics... hum?)

III. A man holding the Tribuneship should be very carefull with his
words. I joke with no one, and I demand the same respect and
gravitas. Remember the words of Plato ´The words causes the worst
punishment the Gods can send to men´. Your words are made of gold or
sand? If sand, spend anywhere freely. If gold, spend carefully for
good and noble causes. And remember in the future that ´when you have
nothing good to say, remain silent´.

Vale bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus TRP


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OATH OF OFFICE / JURAMENTO / IVS IVRANDVM
=========================================


I, Aulus Minicius Iordannes Pompeianus (Angel Jordán), do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the People and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Aulus Minicius Iordannes Pompeianus (Angel Jordán), swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public ealings,
and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Aulus Minicius Iordannes Pompeianus (Angel Jordán),swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Aulus Minicius Iordannes Pompeianus (Angel Jordán) swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Aulus Minicius Iordannes Pompeianus (Angel Jordán), further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Scriba propraetori procurator retis to the best of my
abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Scriba propraetori procurator retis and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsabilities attendant thereto.

In Hispania Provincia, June 29th, year 2004 of present Era, in the consulship of Gnaeus Salix Astur and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus.

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Yo, Aulus Minicius Iordannes Pompeianus (Angel Jordán), por la presente juro solemnemente enaltecer el honor de Nova Roma y trabajar siempre por los legítimos intereses del Senado y del Pueblo de Nova Roma.

Como un magistrado de Nova Roma, yo, Aulus Minicius Iordannes Pompeianus (Angel Jordán), juro honrar a los Dioses y Diosas de Roma en mis actividades
públicas, y perseguir las Virtudes Romanas en mi vida pública y privada.

Yo, Aulus Minicius Iordannes Pompeianus (Angel Jordán), juro mantener y defender la Religión Romana como Religión Estatal de Nova Roma, y nunca actuar de manera que pueda resultar amenazada su condición de Religión del Estado.

Yo, Aulus Minicius Iordannes Pompeianus (Angel Jordán), juro proteger y defender la Constitución de Nova Roma.

Yo, Aulus Minicius Iordannes Pompeianus (Angel Jordán), juro además cumplir con las obligaciones y responsabilidades del cargo de Scriba propraetori procurator retis, poniendo en ello toda mi capacidad y habilidades.

Por mi honor de ciudadano de Nova Roma, en presencia de los Dioses y Diosas del Pueblo Romano y por su voluntad y favor, acepto la posición de Scriba propraetori procurator retis y todos los
derechos, privilegios, obligaciones y responsabilidades que a ella corresponden.

En Hispania, a 29 de junio de 2004 de la Era actual, en el consulado de Gnaeus Salix Astur y Gnaeus Equitius Marinus.

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Ego, Aulus Minicius Iordannes Pompeianus (Angel Jordán)hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro Populo Senatusque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter iuro.

Ego, Aulus Minicius Iordannes Pompeianus (Angel Jordán) officio Scriba propraetori procurator retis Novae Romae accepto, Deos Deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus me culturum, et Virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me
persecuturum esse iuro.

Ego, Aulus Minicius Iordannes Pompeianus (Angel Jordán) Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat
iuro.

Ego, Aulus Minicius Iordannes Pompeianus (Angel Jordán) officiis muneris scriba propraetori procurator retis me quam optime functurum esse praeterea iuro.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram Deis Deabusque populi romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus scriba propraetori procurator retis una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis
comitantibus accipio.

Hispaniae, a. d. I Kalendae quinctilis, anno MMDCCLVI ab Vrbe condita, Gnaeo Salicio Asturio et Gnaeo Equitio Marino consulibus.

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T Labienus Fortunatus omnibus SPD

> Subject: Re: Re: The Best Generals of Antiquity

This is deliberately biased toward Roman history. As someone else mentioned,
Sun Tzu and others surely deserve a place on the list otherwise. My Republican
bias also shows, as there are probably emperors and later generals that ought
to be mentioned; M Ulpius Traianus, perhaps.

I. Alexander, of course; he's the standard by which everyone else is measured

II. P Cornelius Scipio Africanus

III. Hannibal Barca

IV. Q Fabius Maximus

V. C Marius

I'm tempted to add M Furius Camillus, the second founder of Roma, as number VI.

Note that C Iulius Caesar is not on the list. I consider him more lucky than
brilliant.

Valete

Salve,

"> I have seen you make comments from time to time such as, "and warn
that a > good Tribune should be slower to make this kind of comment.."

I did, I do and I will do. It is my right of thinking citizen... to
tribunes and to all magistrates and priests as well. Alas, if all
citizens get the custom to criticize the act of its magistrates,
surely we would have a better Nova Roma.

"Are YOU the > authority on what is a good tribune and not a good
tribune? "

We have a code of conduct. We have the roman virtues. We have the
objectives of Nova Roma. We have the politeness and respect on
dealing with each other. It is enough to follow.

Anyway, the supreme judge of our actions is Ceres and Diana,
patronesses of the Plebs. I fear only them. After them, the supreme
judge is the Roman People of the Quirites. It is impressive how the
Comitia can give a clear hint of the acts of a magistrate. - Alas,
Vox Populi, Vox Dei, said the ancient.

If I am a good or bad Tribune, next elections will show. However, it
doesn´t prevent me to express my disappointment with some words of
some magistrates on this list.

"The tribunes work > together, but we are not a college."

However, it shouldn´t allow us to provoke each other on main list.
The disagreement should be made polite and respectfull, with
arguments, and even better on the reserved Tribune´s List.

I HATE, I LOATHE, I DISGUST the partisantism.
I said once, and I will say until the term of my days.



Vale bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus TRP

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
> Gaius Modius Athanasius L. Arminio Fausto salutem dicit
>
> I have seen you make comments from time to time such as, "and warn
that a
> good Tribune should be slower to make this kind of comment.." Are
YOU the
> authority on what is a good tribune and not a good tribune? The
tribunes work
> together, but we are not a college.
>
> I agree with him. I too do not know if I should laugh or cry.
>
> Furthermore, I wholeheartedly support Sulla for Censor. He is a
good man,
> not of course without his faults (we all have our faults), but he
is the best
> for the job. He has done it before, he is a senator, a consular,
and a man
> capable of holding office without running away from his
responsibilities.
>
> Valete;
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius
>
> In a message dated 6/29/2004 8:39:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> lafaustus@y... writes:
> Salve,
>
> Pauline, I´m much disappointed with you by this email, this
> provocation unworthy of a Tribune, but I will answer anyway.
>
> "I do not know if I should laugh or cry"
>
> I. You should laugh by your own mis-interpretation of what I´ve
said.
> I adress to re-read carefully, and warn that a good Tribune should
be
> slower to make this kind of comment.
>
> II. You should cry by making a free provocation to a colleague on
the
> Tribunate. It is mostly ´unwise´ politically speaking... (since
> people seems to not understand the argument of the roman virtues,
> perhaps should understand the politics... hum?)
>
> III. A man holding the Tribuneship should be very carefull with his
> words. I joke with no one, and I demand the same respect and
> gravitas. Remember the words of Plato ´The words causes the worst
> punishment the Gods can send to men´. Your words are made of gold
or
> sand? If sand, spend anywhere freely. If gold, spend carefully for
> good and noble causes. And remember in the future that ´when you
have
> nothing good to say, remain silent´.
>
> Vale bene in pacem deorum,
> L. Arminius Faustus TRP
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve,

Anyway, I much apreciate it we drop the matter once for all. It is
too much... tiresome...

Vale bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus TRP


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
<lafaustus@y...> wrote:

> Salve,
>
> "> I have seen you make comments from time to time such as, "and

warn

> that a > good Tribune should be slower to make this kind of

comment.."

>
> I did, I do and I will do. It is my right of thinking citizen... to
> tribunes and to all magistrates and priests as well. Alas, if all
> citizens get the custom to criticize the act of its magistrates,
> surely we would have a better Nova Roma.
>
> "Are YOU the > authority on what is a good tribune and not a good
> tribune? "
>
> We have a code of conduct. We have the roman virtues. We have the
> objectives of Nova Roma. We have the politeness and respect on
> dealing with each other. It is enough to follow.
>
> Anyway, the supreme judge of our actions is Ceres and Diana,
> patronesses of the Plebs. I fear only them. After them, the supreme
> judge is the Roman People of the Quirites. It is impressive how the
> Comitia can give a clear hint of the acts of a magistrate. - Alas,
> Vox Populi, Vox Dei, said the ancient.
>
> If I am a good or bad Tribune, next elections will show. However,

it

> doesn´t prevent me to express my disappointment with some words of
> some magistrates on this list.
>
> "The tribunes work > together, but we are not a college."
>
> However, it shouldn´t allow us to provoke each other on main list.
> The disagreement should be made polite and respectfull, with
> arguments, and even better on the reserved Tribune´s List.
>
> I HATE, I LOATHE, I DISGUST the partisantism.
> I said once, and I will say until the term of my days.
>
>
>
> Vale bene in pacem deorum,
> L. Arminius Faustus TRP
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
> > Gaius Modius Athanasius L. Arminio Fausto salutem dicit
> >
> > I have seen you make comments from time to time such as, "and

warn

> that a
> > good Tribune should be slower to make this kind of comment.."

Are

> YOU the
> > authority on what is a good tribune and not a good tribune? The
> tribunes work
> > together, but we are not a college.
> >
> > I agree with him. I too do not know if I should laugh or cry.
> >
> > Furthermore, I wholeheartedly support Sulla for Censor. He is a
> good man,
> > not of course without his faults (we all have our faults), but he
> is the best
> > for the job. He has done it before, he is a senator, a consular,
> and a man
> > capable of holding office without running away from his
> responsibilities.
> >
> > Valete;
> >
> > Gaius Modius Athanasius
> >
> > In a message dated 6/29/2004 8:39:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > lafaustus@y... writes:
> > Salve,
> >
> > Pauline, I´m much disappointed with you by this email, this
> > provocation unworthy of a Tribune, but I will answer anyway.
> >
> > "I do not know if I should laugh or cry"
> >
> > I. You should laugh by your own mis-interpretation of what I´ve
> said.
> > I adress to re-read carefully, and warn that a good Tribune

should

> be
> > slower to make this kind of comment.
> >
> > II. You should cry by making a free provocation to a colleague on
> the
> > Tribunate. It is mostly ´unwise´ politically speaking... (since
> > people seems to not understand the argument of the roman virtues,
> > perhaps should understand the politics... hum?)
> >
> > III. A man holding the Tribuneship should be very carefull with

his

> > words. I joke with no one, and I demand the same respect and
> > gravitas. Remember the words of Plato ´The words causes the worst
> > punishment the Gods can send to men´. Your words are made of gold
> or
> > sand? If sand, spend anywhere freely. If gold, spend carefully

for

> > good and noble causes. And remember in the future that ´when you
> have
> > nothing good to say, remain silent´.
> >
> > Vale bene in pacem deorum,
> > L. Arminius Faustus TRP
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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Salvete,

It's refreshing to see an interesting discussion on the list.

In the matter of 'Best Generals of Antiquity', I rate them

1. P Cornelius Scipio Afracanus; He defeated the one whom many consider the
greatest tactician in a face to face battle, and he won the war. Strategy
and Tactics. Driven by love of his homeland

2. Alexander the Great; Had he lived who knows how much greater his legacy
would have been and how much more he would have effected "western history".
Driven by ambition.

3. Gaius Marius; Reformed the armies, defeated the hated and feared Germans.
Ambition and love of Roma.

4; Hannibal Barca; Brilliant tactician and leader of men, but hatred for
Rome wasn't enough.
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Salvete Quirites, and hello Mally Ka,

mally ka wrote:

> hello im new to this is there any body who can explain how
> everything works

I'm sure that among the people reading this list we can explain things
to you. Do you want to know about Nova Roma? About the gens
registration in particular?

For basic and detailed information about Nova Roma, please look at our
website at http://novaroma.org/main.html

For specific information about the gens re-registration process, contact
the Censors. You can find a web-mail link to them at the website.

-- Marinus

Salve L. Arminius Faustus

My comments were not made as a Tribune but as a citizen supporting one candidate over another in an election.

It is called debate and free speech.

You made your post supporting the other candidate on the Main list of NR not on the Tribunes list so I made my comments on the ML as well.

Your candidate has served in office ONCE and quit. Publius Cornelius Scipio lost his father and uncle and went to war with Rome's enemies and over time lead Rome to victory.

NOVA ROMA NOR ANYONE IN NOVA ROMA HAS HAD ANY CRISIS THAT RISES TO THIS LEVEL:

A WAR FOR NATIONAL SURVIVAL

Pompeia Minucia Strabo is not the new Publius Cornelius Scipio , no one in Nova Roma is.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen
Assidui

----- Original Message -----
From: Lucius Arminius Faustus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:02 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Scipio, Strabo and the Censorship


Salve,

"> I have seen you make comments from time to time such as, "and warn
that a > good Tribune should be slower to make this kind of comment.."

I did, I do and I will do. It is my right of thinking citizen... to
tribunes and to all magistrates and priests as well. Alas, if all
citizens get the custom to criticize the act of its magistrates,
surely we would have a better Nova Roma.

"Are YOU the > authority on what is a good tribune and not a good
tribune? "

We have a code of conduct. We have the roman virtues. We have the
objectives of Nova Roma. We have the politeness and respect on
dealing with each other. It is enough to follow.

Anyway, the supreme judge of our actions is Ceres and Diana,
patronesses of the Plebs. I fear only them. After them, the supreme
judge is the Roman People of the Quirites. It is impressive how the
Comitia can give a clear hint of the acts of a magistrate. - Alas,
Vox Populi, Vox Dei, said the ancient.

If I am a good or bad Tribune, next elections will show. However, it
doesn´t prevent me to express my disappointment with some words of
some magistrates on this list.

"The tribunes work > together, but we are not a college."

However, it shouldn´t allow us to provoke each other on main list.
The disagreement should be made polite and respectfull, with
arguments, and even better on the reserved Tribune´s List.

I HATE, I LOATHE, I DISGUST the partisantism.
I said once, and I will say until the term of my days.



Vale bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus TRP


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
> Gaius Modius Athanasius L. Arminio Fausto salutem dicit
>
> I have seen you make comments from time to time such as, "and warn
that a
> good Tribune should be slower to make this kind of comment.." Are
YOU the
> authority on what is a good tribune and not a good tribune? The
tribunes work
> together, but we are not a college.
>
> I agree with him. I too do not know if I should laugh or cry.
>
> Furthermore, I wholeheartedly support Sulla for Censor. He is a
good man,
> not of course without his faults (we all have our faults), but he
is the best
> for the job. He has done it before, he is a senator, a consular,
and a man
> capable of holding office without running away from his
responsibilities.
>
> Valete;
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius
>
> In a message dated 6/29/2004 8:39:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> lafaustus@y... writes:
> Salve,
>
> Pauline, I´m much disappointed with you by this email, this
> provocation unworthy of a Tribune, but I will answer anyway.
>
> "I do not know if I should laugh or cry"
>
> I. You should laugh by your own mis-interpretation of what I´ve
said.
> I adress to re-read carefully, and warn that a good Tribune should
be
> slower to make this kind of comment.
>
> II. You should cry by making a free provocation to a colleague on
the
> Tribunate. It is mostly ´unwise´ politically speaking... (since
> people seems to not understand the argument of the roman virtues,
> perhaps should understand the politics... hum?)
>
> III. A man holding the Tribuneship should be very carefull with his
> words. I joke with no one, and I demand the same respect and
> gravitas. Remember the words of Plato ´The words causes the worst
> punishment the Gods can send to men´. Your words are made of gold
or
> sand? If sand, spend anywhere freely. If gold, spend carefully for
> good and noble causes. And remember in the future that ´when you
have
> nothing good to say, remain silent´.
>
> Vale bene in pacem deorum,
> L. Arminius Faustus TRP
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


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Salve, Tribune Pauline,

The question is not support or not, but a mocking reply to me that I
didn´t liked. I haven´t anytime commented if your support to Sulla
was silly or not, never entered on this merit.

Alas, another think we must have clear is nobody here has a
´Sacrosainct on/off´ and ´Tribunicia Potestas on/off´ in the body.
So, after you gained the magistrature, it is attached to you. You
never abandon it. Ever time you open the mounth, it is a Tribune
opening the mounth. If you act silly, it is a tribune acting silly.
Not only ex officio you are magistrate.

If you see a macronational Senator walking in just underpants in the
street at 20:00 and he comes to you and say ´Dont be ashamed, I´m
senator just in the office until 17:00, after I can as a citizen act
like a silly citizen´ - No, it is a senator acting silly. Full time
senator. And next election... well, you dont want silly citizens
becoming silly senatores.

I have never said Strabo was the new Scipio - I think 2200 years
creates lots of differences on cultural patterns. But the same
situation that made the romans trust in Scipio was an exemple to I
trust in Strabo, and after I made a collection of her virtues as a
true roman on NR life. And I added ´I was sure in the censorship she
would be as the new Scipio on this eternal Forth Punic War against
our flaws´ - Forth Punic War? Flaws? It is a image of language. ´In
the censorship Pompeia Cornelia Strabo will have the same sucess
against NR problems than Publius Cornelius Scipio fighting the
cartaginians´.

I say after you become a Tribune, you should be extra careful in what
you say... and to whom you say... and this I extend to all
magistrates and priests... all of them... all... all...

You made a political act supporting Sulla, and gave your reasons. I
made a polical act support Strabo, and gave my reasons.

Respect them. Free speech is not mocking others. Alas, freely mocked,
I freely answered back calling your responsability. Your free speech
ends on my right of having my ideas dealed with respect. Not to agree
with me, I have no pretention of this, but I considered your answer
very offensive to me, and I haven´t allowed this, neither this false
liberty. Think that none here has obligation to support your ´sense
of humour´. We are people of many parts of the world, of many
different cultural patterns. We are here united by Rome, but
remember... we are aliens to each other, foreigners... So, be
aware... and I was mostly upset because this came from a Tribune...
which I suppose has a head more enlighten than the overall...

I hate this behaviour of Cato. I´m fair away of him, and apologize by
my bad mood as well. But the people of Nova Roma should be more able
to understand the dignity of their magistratures, and think well on
what they post here. I´m so tired on these stupid struggles on Main
List... I´m sick to death with them... really sick...

Vale bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus TRP
(writting TRP or not, acting ex officio or not - always Tribune
Faustus of Nova Roma, on the wiseness or sillyness)


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:

> Salve L. Arminius Faustus
>
> My comments were not made as a Tribune but as a citizen supporting

one candidate over another in an election.

>
> It is called debate and free speech.
>
> You made your post supporting the other candidate on the Main list

of NR not on the Tribunes list so I made my comments on the ML as
well.

>
> Your candidate has served in office ONCE and quit. Publius

Cornelius Scipio lost his father and uncle and went to war with
Rome's enemies and over time lead Rome to victory.

>
> NOVA ROMA NOR ANYONE IN NOVA ROMA HAS HAD ANY CRISIS THAT RISES TO

THIS LEVEL:

>
> A WAR FOR NATIONAL SURVIVAL
>
> Pompeia Minucia Strabo is not the new Publius Cornelius Scipio , no

one in Nova Roma is.

>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Citizen
> Assidui
>
>
>

The sacrosanct status of a Tribune protects him from physical attacks,
threats of violence, or legal action while he is a Tribune. It offers
no protection from being Mocked, neither from a citizen nor another
Tribune.

If you wish to avoid being mocked then try to avoid posting something
best described as Kafkaesque Surreality, like that endorsement of Strabo.

L. Sicinius Drusus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
<lafaustus@y...> wrote:

> Salve, Tribune Pauline,
>
> The question is not support or not, but a mocking reply to me that I
> didn´t liked. I haven´t anytime commented if your support to Sulla
> was silly or not, never entered on this merit.
>
> Alas, another think we must have clear is nobody here has a
> ´Sacrosainct on/off´ and ´Tribunicia Potestas on/off´ in the body.

In a message dated 6/29/04 1:28:16 AM Pacific Daylight Time, spqr753@...
writes:
Salve Galeri Pauli

> With all due respect to Q. Fabius if the man that beat Hannibal is third
> best then there is not a first and second.
>

But Galerius, my criteria is different then yours. You go by who beat who.
And in that you are correct. I go by who handled the army better. The Roman
Army had always defeated the Carthaginians in battle except at Bogradas where
a Greek Mercenary figured out how to exploit the weakness of the Army.

Hannibal beat every Roman army he ever faced with equal or with lesser odds
except one with a mercenary army, loyal to only its paymaster. And at Zama he
lost because he had no cavalry. In fact he did pretty good considering he had
no cavalry, commanding a polygot collection of two other armies besides his
vets. Had is elephants been trained, and he had the cavalry he had at Cannae
its no contest. It is Bogradas all over again.

Alexander III was also a great general. But he had a great well trained army
and he had the usual contempt for Orientals. But since he was the vanguard
of the ideal Hellenistic General,
he is first.
Pyrrhos the Molosian is rated second by the ancients because of his string of
victories, his eye for ground and his improvements in the Hellenistic army.
His biggest weakness was his lack of strategical long range planning.
Hannibal is a product of the first two. You have given him the Roman army
with the Carthaginian cavalry, he would have conquered the West.

> P. Cornelius Scipio Africanus was the best general or better still the best
> "Capitan" in military history.
>

Scipio was a great innovater. His greatest strength was to "think out side
the box " in other words go against convention. But he had the Roman army. It
is hard to lose with a drilled Roman army with its tightly commanded
manipules unless you are a mediocre general against a great one. Cornelius was never
mediocre. Plus he like Fabius he learned from Hannibal. In the middle
Republic that was unheard of.

> If Caesar, Hannibal and Napoleon were great "Captains" then Scipio was the
> best of the best and always remained, even after his county had no more use
> for him a "Republican" General.
>

Just like there is no Napoleon without Frederick der Grosse, there is no
Scipio without Hannibal. This of course does not refer to the east with its own
great generals in the Chinese and Indian Armies.

Bene Vale
Q. Fabius Maximus


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It always seems to me that of all the Roman generals I have read
about Crassus seems to be one no one every pays any mind to. Now i
find his history interesting, i consider him a good general from what
i have read, but at his time he was outshown by Pompey and Caesar.
Anyways thats my opinion.
Salve
Gn. Crassus.

In a message dated 6/29/04 3:00:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
gnaeuscrassus@... writes:

> Crassus seems to be one no one every pays any mind to. Now i
> find his history interesting, i consider him a good general

Crassus was a Roman. As a Roman he had that xenophobic contempt for
barbarians.
He beat Spartacus by out spending him, and bribing the Equites to rejoin the
standards.

He lost to the Parthians for the same reason. He underestimated them, did no
pre scouting on his foe, and listened instead to his "allies" the Sarcenci
who was waiting to desert. He felt money bought victories and men, he should
have spent more money a research.
This does not make you a good general.

Fabius


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QFabiusMaxmi@... wrote:




He lost to the Parthians for the same reason. He underestimated them, did no
pre scouting on his foe, and listened instead to his "allies" the Sarcenci
who was waiting to desert. He felt money bought victories and men, he should
have spent more money a research.
This does not make you a good general.

Fabius


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



Well thats all from points of views really. Crassus was foolish w/ the Partians, but in part to his loss was treachery. As for Spartacus, Crassus defeated him, from my point of view, with some military skill. Besides Spartacus was stupid, he broke the 11th commandment when he didn't cross the mountains, "thou shall not press they luck." And when i said Crassus was a good general i meant in my mind i did not mean to put him up with Caesar or Hannibal. My main arguement i would like to put up why i believe him a "decent" general is the fact that at the battle of Colline Gate when Sulla was defeated Crassus's men prevailed. So there you have it, i just thought for the hell of it i'd defend Crassus.



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C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix Quiritibus S.P.D.

Salvete.

I will be unavailable from 30 June to 6 July as I will be up in Canada
Orientalis for my wedding.

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix

Tribunus Plebis Franciscus Apulus Caesar Omnibus SPD

First of all I want ask you sorry for the late message.

The last session of the Senate is closed since a.d. V Kal. IVNIAS
MMDCCLVII a.u.c. (June 27th) and the votes have been tallied as
following report.

Formal debate ended on a.d. X Kal. IVNIAS MMDCCLVII a.u.c.(June
22nd). Voting began immediately afterwards and ended on a.d. V Kal.
IVNIAS MMDCCLVII a.u.c. (June 27th).

The results were officially published by the presiding Consul Gnaeus
Equitius Marinus on the Senate list on a.d. IV Kal. IVNIAS MMDCCLVII
a.u.c. (June 27th 2004).

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

The following Senators cast votes in time. They are referred to
below by a code
composed by their initials:

GEM - Gn. Equitius Marinus
CFQ - C. Fabius Quintilianus
GSA - Gn. Salix Astur
MAM - M. Arminius Maior
LSA - L. Sergius Australicus
MM-TA - M. Minucius-Tiberius Audens
ATMC - Ap. Tullius Marcellus Cato
LECA - L. Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
CFD - C. Flavius Diocletianus
AGG - A. Gryllus Graecus
LPO - L. Pompeius Octavianus
AICPM - Alexander I.C. Probus Macedonicus
LCSF - Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
TLF - T. Labienus Fortunatus
QFM - Q. Fabius Maximus
FAC - Fr. Apulus Caesar
DIS - D. Iunius Silanus
DIPI - D. Iunius Palladius Invictus
GMM - G. Marius Merullus
PC - Patricia Cassia
MCJ - M. Cassius Iulianus


The follwing Senators did not to vote: Gn. Octavius Noricus and M.
Octavius Germanicus .

Remember that "VTI ROGAS" indicates a vote in favor of an
item, "ANTIQUO" is a vote against, and "ABSTINEO" is an abstention.
NV indicates no vote was cast for that item.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I. Approval of the Lex Equitia Galeria de Ordinariis, an amendment to
the Constitution which has yet to be presented to the Comitia
Centuriata, as revised to incorporate changes recommended during the
previous meeting of the Senate.

Item I passes with 18 votes in favor 0 opposing and 3 abstentions.
It obtained the 2/3 majority required for a Constitutional amendment.

GEM - VTI ROGAS
CFQ - VTI ROGAS
GSA - VTI ROGAS
MAM - VTI ROGAS
LSA - VTI ROGAS
MM-TA - VTI ROGAS
ATMC - VTI ROGAS
LECA - ABSTINEO
CFD - ABSTINEO
AGG - VTI ROGAS
LPO - VTI ROGAS
AICPM - VTI ROGAS
LCSF - ABSTINEO
TLF - VTI ROGAS: I agree with both Cn Equitius Consul and Fl Vedius.
It would be better to have the amendment allow what constitutes an
absent office to be set by lex, but it's more important to break the
current impasse at this time.
QFM - VTI ROGAS: This is just overcome our current impasse. It is
incomplete and needs work. We need a Praetor though. So I will
settle for this.
FAC - VTI ROGAS
DIS - VTI ROGAS
DIPI - VTI ROGAS: A necessary action to get a praetor elected. This
can be tweaked later as necessary.
CMM - VTI ROGAS
PC - VTI ROGAS
MCJ - VTI ROGAS: A necessary action to get a praetor elected. This
can be tweaked later as necessary.


II. Official recognition of Legio I Adiutrix, of Warsaw, Poland;
based on the recommendation of the Sodalitas Militarium.

Item II passes with 21 votes in favor 0 opposing and 0 abstentions,
the simple majority it required

GEM - VTI ROGAS
CFQ - VTI ROGAS
GSA - VTI ROGAS
MAM - VTI ROGAS
LSA - VTI ROGAS
MM-TA - VTI ROGAS
ATMC - VTI ROGAS
LECA - VTI ROGAS
CFD - VTI ROGAS
AGG - VTI ROGAS
LPO - VTI ROGAS
AICPM - VTI ROGAS: That is the second Legio I Adiutrix I know. The
first one is positioned in Vac, Hungary. Nevertheless I support
application of our Polish friends and will make some steps to
enlarge Legio I Adiutrix by joining there Hungarian cohorts of the
same Legio.
LCSF - VTI ROGAS
TLF - VTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS
FAC - VTI ROGAS
DIS - VTI ROGAS
DIPI - VTI ROGAS
CMM - VTI ROGAS
PC - VTI ROGAS
MCJ - VTI ROGAS


Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Tribunus Plebis et Senator

Salve,

Ill words are too a violence, and unfortunatly a very common form of
agression in Nova Roma, specially dear to some factions here, to the
greater damage of Nova Roma. (This surely wasn´t the case of the post
I was talking)

"> If you wish to avoid being mocked then try to avoid posting
something > best described as Kafkaesque Surreality, like that
endorsement of Strabo."

Am I a mirror? You should read carefully your own posts before saying
this to me.

Vale bene,
L. Arminius Faustus TRP



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus"
<drusus@b...> wrote:

> The sacrosanct status of a Tribune protects him from physical

attacks,

> threats of violence, or legal action while he is a Tribune. It

offers

> no protection from being Mocked, neither from a citizen nor another
> Tribune.
>
> If you wish to avoid being mocked then try to avoid posting

something

> best described as Kafkaesque Surreality, like that endorsement of

Strabo.

>
> L. Sicinius Drusus
>

Salve,

Words are NOT violence unless they convey a threat of physical harm,
and attempts to redefine them as such is an effort to impose political
censorship.

Kafkaesque refers to the novels of Kafka which presented a surreal
distortion of reality, an apt description of that endorsement.

L. Sicinius Drusus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
<lafaustus@y...> wrote:

> Salve,
>
> Ill words are too a violence, and unfortunatly a very common form of
> agression in Nova Roma, specially dear to some factions here, to the
> greater damage of Nova Roma. (This surely wasn´t the case of the post
> I was talking)
>
> "> If you wish to avoid being mocked then try to avoid posting
> something > best described as Kafkaesque Surreality, like that
> endorsement of Strabo."
>
> Am I a mirror? You should read carefully your own posts before saying
> this to me.
>
> Vale bene,
> L. Arminius Faustus TRP
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus"
> <drusus@b...> wrote:
> > The sacrosanct status of a Tribune protects him from physical
> attacks,
> > threats of violence, or legal action while he is a Tribune. It
> offers
> > no protection from being Mocked, neither from a citizen nor another
> > Tribune.
> >
> > If you wish to avoid being mocked then try to avoid posting
> something
> > best described as Kafkaesque Surreality, like that endorsement of
> Strabo.
> >
> > L. Sicinius Drusus
> >

Salve,

No, they are as well intended to harm psicologically, they are a
subtle violence of the worst kind. There is people here in NR
specialist on this, on transforming this list on a partisan hell,
turning everything into polemic, making a countless cause of
abandoning of prospective and peaceful citizens, silent resignations,
we will never know until next census.

(I warn: It was not the case that initially started the subject... we
have already deviated the subject. Paulinus is a kind man. However,
it is pretty to good warn in the beggining to not see him falling on
these flaws too... I have already seen many citizens sadly falling on
the truculence temptation...)

As Tribune, I deplore any polemist and truculent conduct and as
magistrate I make everything under my capabilities to prevent this
kind of behaviour, and not only legally, but with my words and
exemple, the most powerful acting. This is a public compromise in
front of the gods and people of Rome.

It is ironical that this subject started when I was attacked by
giving support to a very good citizen, Pompeia Minucia Strabo,
refering to her imense qualities and roman virtues, comparing with
real situations of Roman History, without talking of anyone more. But
this - hate - we see rotting Nova Roma, seems to turn everything on a
matter of battlefield. If I have deplored someone, it would be fair
someone coming in defense, but we cannot even praise the good
citizens, there is someone coming in attack? Where we are? On a
tavern fight? Or on a recriation of the Roman Republic on its best?

Let´s drop the matter. These posts are pretty tiresome...

Vale,
L. Arminius Faustus TRP

PS. Yes, I know Kafka and have read him some times.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus"
<drusus@b...> wrote:

> Salve,
>
> Words are NOT violence unless they convey a threat of physical harm,
> and attempts to redefine them as such is an effort to impose

political

> censorship.
>
> Kafkaesque refers to the novels of Kafka which presented a surreal
> distortion of reality, an apt description of that endorsement.
>
> L. Sicinius Drusus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
> <lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> > Salve,
> >
> > Ill words are too a violence, and unfortunatly a very common form

of

> > agression in Nova Roma, specially dear to some factions here, to

the

> > greater damage of Nova Roma. (This surely wasn´t the case of the

post

> > I was talking)
> >
> > "> If you wish to avoid being mocked then try to avoid posting
> > something > best described as Kafkaesque Surreality, like that
> > endorsement of Strabo."
> >
> > Am I a mirror? You should read carefully your own posts before

saying

> > this to me.
> >
> > Vale bene,
> > L. Arminius Faustus TRP
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus"
> > <drusus@b...> wrote:
> > > The sacrosanct status of a Tribune protects him from physical
> > attacks,
> > > threats of violence, or legal action while he is a Tribune. It
> > offers
> > > no protection from being Mocked, neither from a citizen nor

another

> > > Tribune.
> > >
> > > If you wish to avoid being mocked then try to avoid posting
> > something
> > > best described as Kafkaesque Surreality, like that endorsement

of

> > Strabo.
> > >
> > > L. Sicinius Drusus
> > >

I Thought you favored recreating the Best of Rome. Restricting
political speach is recreating the Rome that existed under Sulla's
proscriptions, the Rome that existed when Caligula's or Domitian's
spies, When Romans feared speaking their minds about their leaders.

Attempts to impose Politicaly Correct Speach are tools of repression
and political censorship.

L. Sicinius Drusus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
<lafaustus@y...> wrote:

> Salve,
>
> No, they are as well intended to harm psicologically, they are a
> subtle violence of the worst kind. There is people here in NR
> specialist on this, on transforming this list on a partisan hell,
> turning everything into polemic, making a countless cause of
> abandoning of prospective and peaceful citizens, silent resignations,
> we will never know until next census.
>
> (I warn: It was not the case that initially started the subject... we
> have already deviated the subject. Paulinus is a kind man. However,
> it is pretty to good warn in the beggining to not see him falling on
> these flaws too... I have already seen many citizens sadly falling on
> the truculence temptation...)
>
> As Tribune, I deplore any polemist and truculent conduct and as
> magistrate I make everything under my capabilities to prevent this
> kind of behaviour, and not only legally, but with my words and
> exemple, the most powerful acting. This is a public compromise in
> front of the gods and people of Rome.
>
> It is ironical that this subject started when I was attacked by
> giving support to a very good citizen, Pompeia Minucia Strabo,
> refering to her imense qualities and roman virtues, comparing with
> real situations of Roman History, without talking of anyone more. But
> this - hate - we see rotting Nova Roma, seems to turn everything on a
> matter of battlefield. If I have deplored someone, it would be fair
> someone coming in defense, but we cannot even praise the good
> citizens, there is someone coming in attack? Where we are? On a
> tavern fight? Or on a recriation of the Roman Republic on its best?
>
> Let´s drop the matter. These posts are pretty tiresome...
>
> Vale,
> L. Arminius Faustus TRP
>
> PS. Yes, I know Kafka and have read him some times.
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus"
> <drusus@b...> wrote:
> > Salve,
> >
> > Words are NOT violence unless they convey a threat of physical harm,
> > and attempts to redefine them as such is an effort to impose
> political
> > censorship.
> >
> > Kafkaesque refers to the novels of Kafka which presented a surreal
> > distortion of reality, an apt description of that endorsement.
> >
> > L. Sicinius Drusus
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
> > <lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> > > Salve,
> > >
> > > Ill words are too a violence, and unfortunatly a very common form
> of
> > > agression in Nova Roma, specially dear to some factions here, to
> the
> > > greater damage of Nova Roma. (This surely wasn´t the case of the
> post
> > > I was talking)
> > >
> > > "> If you wish to avoid being mocked then try to avoid posting
> > > something > best described as Kafkaesque Surreality, like that
> > > endorsement of Strabo."
> > >
> > > Am I a mirror? You should read carefully your own posts before
> saying
> > > this to me.
> > >
> > > Vale bene,
> > > L. Arminius Faustus TRP
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus"
> > > <drusus@b...> wrote:
> > > > The sacrosanct status of a Tribune protects him from physical
> > > attacks,
> > > > threats of violence, or legal action while he is a Tribune. It
> > > offers
> > > > no protection from being Mocked, neither from a citizen nor
> another
> > > > Tribune.
> > > >
> > > > If you wish to avoid being mocked then try to avoid posting
> > > something
> > > > best described as Kafkaesque Surreality, like that endorsement
> of
> > > Strabo.
> > > >
> > > > L. Sicinius Drusus
> > > >

Salve,

Oh... how you forgot the crime of Maiestas under Tiberius Caesar?!!!!

I sincerely think you need some rest... alas, me too.

Vale,
L. Arminius Faustus TRP

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus"
<drusus@b...> wrote:

> I Thought you favored recreating the Best of Rome. Restricting
> political speach is recreating the Rome that existed under Sulla's
> proscriptions, the Rome that existed when Caligula's or Domitian's
> spies, When Romans feared speaking their minds about their leaders.
>
> Attempts to impose Politicaly Correct Speach are tools of repression
> and political censorship.
>
> L. Sicinius Drusus
>

G. Equitius Cato L. Sicinius Drusus S.D.

Salve, Drusus.

I know you believe that this List is just a "virtual" Forum, but
unfortunately right now it is the only Forum we have. As such, it
might behoove a pontiff and senator of Nova Roma to try to learn to
spell a little more accurately. "SPEACH"? Do you mean "speech"? Or
are you referring to some other, as-yet-unrevealed
activity? "POLITICALY"? I think you mean "politically".
And I find it a source of great amusement that you of all people
cannot spell "tolerance" correctly, as evidenced by earlier posts.
How are we supposed to gain or keep the respect we desire from those
outside NR when our "leading" citizens cannot express themselves
correctly in their native tongue?

If, of course, English is *not* your first language, you can be
excused, with my apologies. Otherwise, get a dictionary. And a
thesaurus.

I do, however, enjoy your random capitalization of words; it has a
certain 18th-century flair to it.

vale,

Cato



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus"
<drusus@b...> wrote:

> I Thought you favored recreating the Best of Rome. Restricting
> political speach is recreating the Rome that existed under Sulla's
> proscriptions, the Rome that existed when Caligula's or Domitian's
> spies, When Romans feared speaking their minds about their leaders.
>
> Attempts to impose Politicaly Correct Speach are tools of repression
> and political censorship.
>
> L. Sicinius Drusus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
> <lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> > Salve,
> >
> > No, they are as well intended to harm psicologically, they are a
> > subtle violence of the worst kind. There is people here in NR
> > specialist on this, on transforming this list on a partisan hell,
> > turning everything into polemic, making a countless cause of
> > abandoning of prospective and peaceful citizens, silent

resignations,

> > we will never know until next census.
> >
> > (I warn: It was not the case that initially started the

subject... we

> > have already deviated the subject. Paulinus is a kind man.

However,

> > it is pretty to good warn in the beggining to not see him falling

on

> > these flaws too... I have already seen many citizens sadly

falling on

> > the truculence temptation...)
> >
> > As Tribune, I deplore any polemist and truculent conduct and as
> > magistrate I make everything under my capabilities to prevent

this

> > kind of behaviour, and not only legally, but with my words and
> > exemple, the most powerful acting. This is a public compromise in
> > front of the gods and people of Rome.
> >
> > It is ironical that this subject started when I was attacked by
> > giving support to a very good citizen, Pompeia Minucia Strabo,
> > refering to her imense qualities and roman virtues, comparing

with

> > real situations of Roman History, without talking of anyone more.

But

> > this - hate - we see rotting Nova Roma, seems to turn everything

on a

> > matter of battlefield. If I have deplored someone, it would be

fair

> > someone coming in defense, but we cannot even praise the good
> > citizens, there is someone coming in attack? Where we are? On a
> > tavern fight? Or on a recriation of the Roman Republic on its

best?

> >
> > Let´s drop the matter. These posts are pretty tiresome...
> >
> > Vale,
> > L. Arminius Faustus TRP
> >
> > PS. Yes, I know Kafka and have read him some times.
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus"
> > <drusus@b...> wrote:
> > > Salve,
> > >
> > > Words are NOT violence unless they convey a threat of physical

harm,

> > > and attempts to redefine them as such is an effort to impose
> > political
> > > censorship.
> > >
> > > Kafkaesque refers to the novels of Kafka which presented a

surreal

> > > distortion of reality, an apt description of that endorsement.
> > >
> > > L. Sicinius Drusus
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
> > > <lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> > > > Salve,
> > > >
> > > > Ill words are too a violence, and unfortunatly a very common

form

> > of
> > > > agression in Nova Roma, specially dear to some factions here,

to

> > the
> > > > greater damage of Nova Roma. (This surely wasn´t the case

of
the

> > post
> > > > I was talking)
> > > >
> > > > "> If you wish to avoid being mocked then try to avoid

posting

> > > > something > best described as Kafkaesque Surreality, like

that

> > > > endorsement of Strabo."
> > > >
> > > > Am I a mirror? You should read carefully your own posts

before

> > saying
> > > > this to me.
> > > >
> > > > Vale bene,
> > > > L. Arminius Faustus TRP
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus"
> > > > <drusus@b...> wrote:
> > > > > The sacrosanct status of a Tribune protects him from

physical

> > > > attacks,
> > > > > threats of violence, or legal action while he is a Tribune.

It

> > > > offers
> > > > > no protection from being Mocked, neither from a citizen nor
> > another
> > > > > Tribune.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you wish to avoid being mocked then try to avoid posting
> > > > something
> > > > > best described as Kafkaesque Surreality, like that

endorsement

> > of
> > > > Strabo.
> > > > >
> > > > > L. Sicinius Drusus
> > > > >

Salve,

I do find that highlighting anothers grammatical
errors is the height of bad manners.

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus



---------------------------------
G. Equitius Cato L. Sicinius Drusus S.D.

Salve, Drusus.

I know you believe that this List is just a "virtual"
Forum, but
unfortunately right now it is the only Forum we have.
As such, it
might behoove a pontiff and senator of Nova Roma to
try to learn to
spell a little more accurately. "SPEACH"? Do you
mean "speech"? Or
are you referring to some other, as-yet-unrevealed
activity? "POLITICALY"? I think you mean
"politically".
And I find it a source of great amusement that you of
all people
cannot spell "tolerance" correctly, as evidenced by
earlier posts.
How are we supposed to gain or keep the respect we
desire from those
outside NR when our "leading" citizens cannot express
themselves
correctly in their native tongue?

If, of course, English is *not* your first language,
you can be
excused, with my apologies. Otherwise, get a
dictionary. And a
thesaurus.

I do, however, enjoy your random capitalization of
words; it has a
certain 18th-century flair to it.

vale,

Cato



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Sicinius
Drusus"
<drusus@b...> wrote:

> I Thought you favored recreating the Best of Rome.

Restricting

> political speach is recreating the Rome that existed

under Sulla's

> proscriptions, the Rome that existed when Caligula's

or Domitian's

> spies, When Romans feared speaking their minds about

their leaders.

>
> Attempts to impose Politicaly Correct Speach are

tools of repression

> and political censorship.
>
> L. Sicinius Drusus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius

Faustus"

> <lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> > Salve,
> >
> > No, they are as well intended to harm

psicologically, they are a

> > subtle violence of the worst kind. There is people

here in NR

> > specialist on this, on transforming this list on a

partisan hell,

> > turning everything into polemic, making a

countless cause of

> > abandoning of prospective and peaceful citizens,

silent
resignations,

> > we will never know until next census.
> >
> > (I warn: It was not the case that initially

started the
subject... we

> > have already deviated the subject. Paulinus is a

kind man.
However,

> > it is pretty to good warn in the beggining to not

see him falling
on

> > these flaws too... I have already seen many

citizens sadly
falling on

> > the truculence temptation...)
> >
> > As Tribune, I deplore any polemist and truculent

conduct and as

> > magistrate I make everything under my capabilities

to prevent
this

> > kind of behaviour, and not only legally, but with

my words and

> > exemple, the most powerful acting. This is a

public compromise in

> > front of the gods and people of Rome.
> >
> > It is ironical that this subject started when I

was attacked by

> > giving support to a very good citizen, Pompeia

Minucia Strabo,

> > refering to her imense qualities and roman

virtues, comparing
with

> > real situations of Roman History, without talking

of anyone more.
But

> > this - hate - we see rotting Nova Roma, seems to

turn everything
on a

> > matter of battlefield. If I have deplored someone,

it would be
fair

> > someone coming in defense, but we cannot even

praise the good

> > citizens, there is someone coming in attack? Where

we are? On a

> > tavern fight? Or on a recriation of the Roman

Republic on its
best?

> >
> > Let´s drop the matter. These posts are pretty

tiresome...

> >
> > Vale,
> > L. Arminius Faustus TRP
> >
> > PS. Yes, I know Kafka and have read him some

times.

> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Sicinius

Drusus"

> > <drusus@b...> wrote:
> > > Salve,
> > >
> > > Words are NOT violence unless they convey a

threat of physical
harm,

> > > and attempts to redefine them as such is an

effort to impose

> > political
> > > censorship.
> > >
> > > Kafkaesque refers to the novels of Kafka which

presented a
surreal

> > > distortion of reality, an apt description of

that endorsement.

> > >
> > > L. Sicinius Drusus
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius

Arminius Faustus"

> > > <lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> > > > Salve,
> > > >
> > > > Ill words are too a violence, and unfortunatly

a very common
form

> > of
> > > > agression in Nova Roma, specially dear to some

factions here,
to

> > the
> > > > greater damage of Nova Roma. (This surely

wasn´t the case
of
the

> > post
> > > > I was talking)
> > > >
> > > > "> If you wish to avoid being mocked then try

to avoid
posting

> > > > something > best described as Kafkaesque

Surreality, like
that

> > > > endorsement of Strabo."
> > > >
> > > > Am I a mirror? You should read carefully your

own posts
before

> > saying
> > > > this to me.
> > > >
> > > > Vale bene,
> > > > L. Arminius Faustus TRP
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius

Sicinius Drusus"

> > > > <drusus@b...> wrote:
> > > > > The sacrosanct status of a Tribune protects

him from
physical

> > > > attacks,
> > > > > threats of violence, or legal action while

he is a Tribune.
It

> > > > offers
> > > > > no protection from being Mocked, neither

from a citizen nor

> > another
> > > > > Tribune.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you wish to avoid being mocked then try

to avoid posting

> > > > something
> > > > > best described as Kafkaesque Surreality,

like that
endorsement

> > of
> > > > Strabo.
> > > > >
> > > > > L. Sicinius Drusus
> > > > >

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LOL,

Typical,

When you are unable to refute the gist of a message lower yourself to
attacking the style of the message.

So why isn't this one of those personal attacks that so many crocidile
tears have been shed over?

Is that something that depends on WHO make a post rather than what is
posted?

L. Sicinius Drusus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@y...>
wrote:

> G. Equitius Cato L. Sicinius Drusus S.D.
>
> Salve, Drusus.
>
> I know you believe that this List is just a "virtual" Forum, but
> unfortunately right now it is the only Forum we have. As such, it
> might behoove a pontiff and senator of Nova Roma to try to learn to
> spell a little more accurately. "SPEACH"? Do you mean "speech"? Or
> are you referring to some other, as-yet-unrevealed
> activity? "POLITICALY"? I think you mean "politically".
> And I find it a source of great amusement that you of all people
> cannot spell "tolerance" correctly, as evidenced by earlier posts.
> How are we supposed to gain or keep the respect we desire from those
> outside NR when our "leading" citizens cannot express themselves
> correctly in their native tongue?
>
> If, of course, English is *not* your first language, you can be
> excused, with my apologies. Otherwise, get a dictionary. And a
> thesaurus.
>
> I do, however, enjoy your random capitalization of words; it has a
> certain 18th-century flair to it.
>
> vale,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus"
> <drusus@b...> wrote:
> > I Thought you favored recreating the Best of Rome. Restricting
> > political speach is recreating the Rome that existed under Sulla's
> > proscriptions, the Rome that existed when Caligula's or Domitian's
> > spies, When Romans feared speaking their minds about their leaders.
> >
> > Attempts to impose Politicaly Correct Speach are tools of repression
> > and political censorship.
> >
> > L. Sicinius Drusus
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
> > <lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> > > Salve,
> > >
> > > No, they are as well intended to harm psicologically, they are a
> > > subtle violence of the worst kind. There is people here in NR
> > > specialist on this, on transforming this list on a partisan hell,
> > > turning everything into polemic, making a countless cause of
> > > abandoning of prospective and peaceful citizens, silent
> resignations,
> > > we will never know until next census.
> > >
> > > (I warn: It was not the case that initially started the
> subject... we
> > > have already deviated the subject. Paulinus is a kind man.
> However,
> > > it is pretty to good warn in the beggining to not see him falling
> on
> > > these flaws too... I have already seen many citizens sadly
> falling on
> > > the truculence temptation...)
> > >
> > > As Tribune, I deplore any polemist and truculent conduct and as
> > > magistrate I make everything under my capabilities to prevent
> this
> > > kind of behaviour, and not only legally, but with my words and
> > > exemple, the most powerful acting. This is a public compromise in
> > > front of the gods and people of Rome.
> > >
> > > It is ironical that this subject started when I was attacked by
> > > giving support to a very good citizen, Pompeia Minucia Strabo,
> > > refering to her imense qualities and roman virtues, comparing
> with
> > > real situations of Roman History, without talking of anyone more.
> But
> > > this - hate - we see rotting Nova Roma, seems to turn everything
> on a
> > > matter of battlefield. If I have deplored someone, it would be
> fair
> > > someone coming in defense, but we cannot even praise the good
> > > citizens, there is someone coming in attack? Where we are? On a
> > > tavern fight? Or on a recriation of the Roman Republic on its
> best?
> > >
> > > Let´s drop the matter. These posts are pretty tiresome...
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > > L. Arminius Faustus TRP
> > >
> > > PS. Yes, I know Kafka and have read him some times.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus"
> > > <drusus@b...> wrote:
> > > > Salve,
> > > >
> > > > Words are NOT violence unless they convey a threat of physical
> harm,
> > > > and attempts to redefine them as such is an effort to impose
> > > political
> > > > censorship.
> > > >
> > > > Kafkaesque refers to the novels of Kafka which presented a
> surreal
> > > > distortion of reality, an apt description of that endorsement.
> > > >
> > > > L. Sicinius Drusus
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
> > > > <lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Salve,
> > > > >
> > > > > Ill words are too a violence, and unfortunatly a very common
> form
> > > of
> > > > > agression in Nova Roma, specially dear to some factions here,
> to
> > > the
> > > > > greater damage of Nova Roma. (This surely wasn´t the case
> of
> the
> > > post
> > > > > I was talking)
> > > > >
> > > > > "> If you wish to avoid being mocked then try to avoid
> posting
> > > > > something > best described as Kafkaesque Surreality, like
> that
> > > > > endorsement of Strabo."
> > > > >
> > > > > Am I a mirror? You should read carefully your own posts
> before
> > > saying
> > > > > this to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale bene,
> > > > > L. Arminius Faustus TRP
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus"
> > > > > <drusus@b...> wrote:
> > > > > > The sacrosanct status of a Tribune protects him from
> physical
> > > > > attacks,
> > > > > > threats of violence, or legal action while he is a Tribune.
> It
> > > > > offers
> > > > > > no protection from being Mocked, neither from a citizen nor
> > > another
> > > > > > Tribune.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you wish to avoid being mocked then try to avoid posting
> > > > > something
> > > > > > best described as Kafkaesque Surreality, like that
> endorsement
> > > of
> > > > > Strabo.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > L. Sicinius Drusus
> > > > > >

G. Equitius Cato D. Iunio Silano L. Sicinio Druso S.P.D.

salvete.

Iunius Silanus, if he is not corrected by anyone, how will he learn?
It is more important that we present an educated face to the world
than to be afraid of correction. I do not correct non-English
speakers because they are struggling under a tongue other than their
own. That is courtesy.

Sicinius Drusus, I am not *attacking* you, and I have no interest in
the little flame thing you've got going on. But if you're going to
pontificate, I am suggesting that you do it correctly.

valete,

Cato

P.S. - it's "crocodile" GEC






--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus"
<drusus@b...> wrote:

> LOL,
>
> Typical,
>
> When you are unable to refute the gist of a message lower yourself

to

> attacking the style of the message.
>
> So why isn't this one of those personal attacks that so many

crocidile

> tears have been shed over?
>
> Is that something that depends on WHO make a post rather than what

is

> posted?
>
> L. Sicinius Drusus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato"

<mlcinnyc@y...>

> wrote:
> > G. Equitius Cato L. Sicinius Drusus S.D.
> >
> > Salve, Drusus.
> >
> > I know you believe that this List is just a "virtual" Forum, but
> > unfortunately right now it is the only Forum we have. As such,

it

> > might behoove a pontiff and senator of Nova Roma to try to learn

to

> > spell a little more accurately. "SPEACH"? Do you

mean "speech"? Or

> > are you referring to some other, as-yet-unrevealed
> > activity? "POLITICALY"? I think you mean "politically".
> > And I find it a source of great amusement that you of all people
> > cannot spell "tolerance" correctly, as evidenced by earlier

posts.

> > How are we supposed to gain or keep the respect we desire from

those

> > outside NR when our "leading" citizens cannot express themselves
> > correctly in their native tongue?
> >
> > If, of course, English is *not* your first language, you can be
> > excused, with my apologies. Otherwise, get a dictionary. And a
> > thesaurus.
> >
> > I do, however, enjoy your random capitalization of words; it has

a

> > certain 18th-century flair to it.
> >
> > vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus"
> > <drusus@b...> wrote:
> > > I Thought you favored recreating the Best of Rome. Restricting
> > > political speach is recreating the Rome that existed under

Sulla's

> > > proscriptions, the Rome that existed when Caligula's or

Domitian's

> > > spies, When Romans feared speaking their minds about their

leaders.

> > >
> > > Attempts to impose Politicaly Correct Speach are tools of

repression

> > > and political censorship.
> > >
> > > L. Sicinius Drusus
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
> > > <lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> > > > Salve,
> > > >
> > > > No, they are as well intended to harm psicologically, they

are a

> > > > subtle violence of the worst kind. There is people here in NR
> > > > specialist on this, on transforming this list on a partisan

hell,

> > > > turning everything into polemic, making a countless cause of
> > > > abandoning of prospective and peaceful citizens, silent
> > resignations,
> > > > we will never know until next census.
> > > >
> > > > (I warn: It was not the case that initially started the
> > subject... we
> > > > have already deviated the subject. Paulinus is a kind man.
> > However,
> > > > it is pretty to good warn in the beggining to not see him

falling

> > on
> > > > these flaws too... I have already seen many citizens sadly
> > falling on
> > > > the truculence temptation...)
> > > >
> > > > As Tribune, I deplore any polemist and truculent conduct and

as

> > > > magistrate I make everything under my capabilities to prevent
> > this
> > > > kind of behaviour, and not only legally, but with my words

and

> > > > exemple, the most powerful acting. This is a public

compromise in

> > > > front of the gods and people of Rome.
> > > >
> > > > It is ironical that this subject started when I was attacked

by

> > > > giving support to a very good citizen, Pompeia Minucia

Strabo,

> > > > refering to her imense qualities and roman virtues, comparing
> > with
> > > > real situations of Roman History, without talking of anyone

more.

> > But
> > > > this - hate - we see rotting Nova Roma, seems to turn

everything

> > on a
> > > > matter of battlefield. If I have deplored someone, it would

be

> > fair
> > > > someone coming in defense, but we cannot even praise the good
> > > > citizens, there is someone coming in attack? Where we are? On

a

> > > > tavern fight? Or on a recriation of the Roman Republic on its
> > best?
> > > >
> > > > Let´s drop the matter. These posts are pretty tiresome...
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > > L. Arminius Faustus TRP
> > > >
> > > > PS. Yes, I know Kafka and have read him some times.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus"
> > > > <drusus@b...> wrote:
> > > > > Salve,
> > > > >
> > > > > Words are NOT violence unless they convey a threat of

physical

> > harm,
> > > > > and attempts to redefine them as such is an effort to

impose

> > > > political
> > > > > censorship.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kafkaesque refers to the novels of Kafka which presented a
> > surreal
> > > > > distortion of reality, an apt description of that

endorsement.

> > > > >
> > > > > L. Sicinius Drusus
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
> > > > > <lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > Salve,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ill words are too a violence, and unfortunatly a very

common

> > form
> > > > of
> > > > > > agression in Nova Roma, specially dear to some factions

here,

> > to
> > > > the
> > > > > > greater damage of Nova Roma. (This surely wasn´t the case
> > of
> > the
> > > > post
> > > > > > I was talking)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "> If you wish to avoid being mocked then try to avoid
> > posting
> > > > > > something > best described as Kafkaesque Surreality, like
> > that
> > > > > > endorsement of Strabo."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Am I a mirror? You should read carefully your own posts
> > before
> > > > saying
> > > > > > this to me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vale bene,
> > > > > > L. Arminius Faustus TRP
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Sicinius

Drusus"

> > > > > > <drusus@b...> wrote:
> > > > > > > The sacrosanct status of a Tribune protects him from
> > physical
> > > > > > attacks,
> > > > > > > threats of violence, or legal action while he is a

Tribune.

> > It
> > > > > > offers
> > > > > > > no protection from being Mocked, neither from a citizen

nor

> > > > another
> > > > > > > Tribune.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you wish to avoid being mocked then try to avoid

posting

> > > > > > something
> > > > > > > best described as Kafkaesque Surreality, like that
> > endorsement
> > > > of
> > > > > > Strabo.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > L. Sicinius Drusus
> > > > > > >

I Have no doubt that I need some rest, but I have a business to run,
so that isn't an option.

It affords me the chance to dash off quick notes to this forum, but
refraining from Nova Roma isn't anything that will result in a large
ammount of time for relaxiation on my part.

L. Sicinius Drusus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
<lafaustus@y...> wrote:

> Salve,
>
> Oh... how you forgot the crime of Maiestas under Tiberius Caesar?!!!!
>
> I sincerely think you need some rest... alas, me too.
>
> Vale,
> L. Arminius Faustus TRP
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus"
> <drusus@b...> wrote:
> > I Thought you favored recreating the Best of Rome. Restricting
> > political speach is recreating the Rome that existed under Sulla's
> > proscriptions, the Rome that existed when Caligula's or Domitian's
> > spies, When Romans feared speaking their minds about their leaders.
> >
> > Attempts to impose Politicaly Correct Speach are tools of repression
> > and political censorship.
> >
> > L. Sicinius Drusus
> >

Salve Gnae Equiti,

>Iunius Silanus, if he is not corrected by anyone,
>how will he learn?

Quite simply, it should be no concern of yours. If you
rally had Drusus' best interest at heart then you
should have contacted him privately. Your aim was to
embarrass and belittle. In my opinion you belittled
only yourself

>It is more important that we present an educated
>face to the world than to be afraid of correction.

I disagree. I think it wholly more important that
people feel they can contribute to this forum without
fear that someone will ridicule their grammar.

>I do not correct non-English speakers because they
>are struggling under a tongue other than their
>own. That is courtesy.

No, it is hypocrisy. i think it is mad manners to
publicly criticise anyone on their grammar, whatever
their mother tongue.

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus





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Cato,

I Have a total lack of intrest in the absurdities of English Spelling,
a lack of time to transcibe everything from Yahoo's web based program
to a spell checker, and as little desire to please the Anal-retentive
as intrest in English spelling.

I See nothing in your earlier post other than a desire to discredit
the message by attempting to discredit the messager which is one of
those personal attacks that we hear so much about from some people, or
at least hear about when someone they disagree with makes a post.

Drusus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@y...>
wrote:

> G. Equitius Cato D. Iunio Silano L. Sicinio Druso S.P.D.
>
> salvete.
>
> Iunius Silanus, if he is not corrected by anyone, how will he learn?
> It is more important that we present an educated face to the world
> than to be afraid of correction. I do not correct non-English
> speakers because they are struggling under a tongue other than their
> own. That is courtesy.
>
> Sicinius Drusus, I am not *attacking* you, and I have no interest in
> the little flame thing you've got going on. But if you're going to
> pontificate, I am suggesting that you do it correctly.
>
> valete,
>
> Cato
>
> P.S. - it's "crocodile" GEC
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus"
> <drusus@b...> wrote:
> > LOL,
> >
> > Typical,
> >
> > When you are unable to refute the gist of a message lower yourself
> to
> > attacking the style of the message.
> >
> > So why isn't this one of those personal attacks that so many
> crocidile
> > tears have been shed over?
> >
> > Is that something that depends on WHO make a post rather than what
> is
> > posted?
> >
> > L. Sicinius Drusus
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato"
> <mlcinnyc@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > G. Equitius Cato L. Sicinius Drusus S.D.
> > >
> > > Salve, Drusus.
> > >
> > > I know you believe that this List is just a "virtual" Forum, but
> > > unfortunately right now it is the only Forum we have. As such,
> it
> > > might behoove a pontiff and senator of Nova Roma to try to learn
> to
> > > spell a little more accurately. "SPEACH"? Do you
> mean "speech"? Or
> > > are you referring to some other, as-yet-unrevealed
> > > activity? "POLITICALY"? I think you mean "politically".
> > > And I find it a source of great amusement that you of all people
> > > cannot spell "tolerance" correctly, as evidenced by earlier
> posts.
> > > How are we supposed to gain or keep the respect we desire from
> those
> > > outside NR when our "leading" citizens cannot express themselves
> > > correctly in their native tongue?
> > >
> > > If, of course, English is *not* your first language, you can be
> > > excused, with my apologies. Otherwise, get a dictionary. And a
> > > thesaurus.
> > >
> > > I do, however, enjoy your random capitalization of words; it has
> a
> > > certain 18th-century flair to it.
> > >
> > > vale,
> > >
> > > Cato
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus"
> > > <drusus@b...> wrote:
> > > > I Thought you favored recreating the Best of Rome. Restricting
> > > > political speach is recreating the Rome that existed under
> Sulla's
> > > > proscriptions, the Rome that existed when Caligula's or
> Domitian's
> > > > spies, When Romans feared speaking their minds about their
> leaders.
> > > >
> > > > Attempts to impose Politicaly Correct Speach are tools of
> repression
> > > > and political censorship.
> > > >
> > > > L. Sicinius Drusus
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
> > > > <lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Salve,
> > > > >
> > > > > No, they are as well intended to harm psicologically, they
> are a
> > > > > subtle violence of the worst kind. There is people here in NR
> > > > > specialist on this, on transforming this list on a partisan
> hell,
> > > > > turning everything into polemic, making a countless cause of
> > > > > abandoning of prospective and peaceful citizens, silent
> > > resignations,
> > > > > we will never know until next census.
> > > > >
> > > > > (I warn: It was not the case that initially started the
> > > subject... we
> > > > > have already deviated the subject. Paulinus is a kind man.
> > > However,
> > > > > it is pretty to good warn in the beggining to not see him
> falling
> > > on
> > > > > these flaws too... I have already seen many citizens sadly
> > > falling on
> > > > > the truculence temptation...)
> > > > >
> > > > > As Tribune, I deplore any polemist and truculent conduct and
> as
> > > > > magistrate I make everything under my capabilities to prevent
> > > this
> > > > > kind of behaviour, and not only legally, but with my words
> and
> > > > > exemple, the most powerful acting. This is a public
> compromise in
> > > > > front of the gods and people of Rome.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is ironical that this subject started when I was attacked
> by
> > > > > giving support to a very good citizen, Pompeia Minucia
> Strabo,
> > > > > refering to her imense qualities and roman virtues, comparing
> > > with
> > > > > real situations of Roman History, without talking of anyone
> more.
> > > But
> > > > > this - hate - we see rotting Nova Roma, seems to turn
> everything
> > > on a
> > > > > matter of battlefield. If I have deplored someone, it would
> be
> > > fair
> > > > > someone coming in defense, but we cannot even praise the good
> > > > > citizens, there is someone coming in attack? Where we are? On
> a
> > > > > tavern fight? Or on a recriation of the Roman Republic on its
> > > best?
> > > > >
> > > > > Let´s drop the matter. These posts are pretty tiresome...
> > > > >
> > > > > Vale,
> > > > > L. Arminius Faustus TRP
> > > > >
> > > > > PS. Yes, I know Kafka and have read him some times.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus"
> > > > > <drusus@b...> wrote:
> > > > > > Salve,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Words are NOT violence unless they convey a threat of
> physical
> > > harm,
> > > > > > and attempts to redefine them as such is an effort to
> impose
> > > > > political
> > > > > > censorship.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kafkaesque refers to the novels of Kafka which presented a
> > > surreal
> > > > > > distortion of reality, an apt description of that
> endorsement.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > L. Sicinius Drusus
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
> > > > > > <lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Salve,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ill words are too a violence, and unfortunatly a very
> common
> > > form
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > agression in Nova Roma, specially dear to some factions
> here,
> > > to
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > greater damage of Nova Roma. (This surely wasn´t the case
> > > of
> > > the
> > > > > post
> > > > > > > I was talking)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "> If you wish to avoid being mocked then try to avoid
> > > posting
> > > > > > > something > best described as Kafkaesque Surreality, like
> > > that
> > > > > > > endorsement of Strabo."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Am I a mirror? You should read carefully your own posts
> > > before
> > > > > saying
> > > > > > > this to me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vale bene,
> > > > > > > L. Arminius Faustus TRP
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Sicinius
> Drusus"
> > > > > > > <drusus@b...> wrote:
> > > > > > > > The sacrosanct status of a Tribune protects him from
> > > physical
> > > > > > > attacks,
> > > > > > > > threats of violence, or legal action while he is a
> Tribune.
> > > It
> > > > > > > offers
> > > > > > > > no protection from being Mocked, neither from a citizen
> nor
> > > > > another
> > > > > > > > Tribune.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > If you wish to avoid being mocked then try to avoid
> posting
> > > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > best described as Kafkaesque Surreality, like that
> > > endorsement
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > Strabo.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > L. Sicinius Drusus
> > > > > > > >

F. Galerius Aurelianus S.P.D.

Actually, I believe it is a matter of WHO makes the post or takes a stance or
argues a point of law. There are many individuals who automatically react to
WHO says what rather than WHAT was actually posted. It is a common failing
among even the most erudite individuals that the reaction of WHO usually far
outreaches the WHAT of a post. I am one of those individuals in regard to
certain citizens of Nova Roma. However, I find myself in agreement with many of
the recent arguments and opinions of another citizen whom I just cannot stand on
a personal basis. I still do not like the MANNER or the STYLE this person
uses to defend their position but the content is not too far to the right of my
own. Mind you, I usually do not approve of anyone who uses elements of style
in their posts that are abrasive, ascorbic, or lacking in balance or humor.
This could be construed as an unfairness on my part that I prefer a style that
reflects wit, humor, and good language skills.

I would be willing to reach a public compromise with even my worst enemy in
Nova Roma to stop calling each other names or belittle each other's style or
affiliations and stick to the salient points of the argument. Some things have
gone on just a little longer than they should have due to the nature of the
individuals rather than what is best for the group.

Valete.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Decimus Iunius Silanus
<iuniussilanus@y...> wrote:

> Salve,
>
> I do find that highlighting anothers grammatical
> errors is the height of bad manners.
>
> Vale
>
> Decimus Iunius Silanus

Salve Silanus mi amice,

Or as I have heard it said in other internet venues, "Grammar smack
is weak!"

;-).

Vale,

C. Popillius Laenas

Gaius Modius Athanasius G. Equitio Cato salutem dicit

As a regular user of this list can I politely ask you to snip your posts. You wasted a great deal of "disk" space in pointing out that Drusus cannot spell. Please snip your posts for brevity. Imagine what the citizens on digest have to endure.

Vale;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 6/30/2004 12:28:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "gaiusequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@...> writes:

>G. Equitius Cato L. Sicinius Drusus S.D.
>
>Salve, Drusus.
>
>I know you believe that this List is just a "virtual" Forum, but
>unfortunately right now it is the only Forum we have.  As such, it
>might behoove a pontiff and senator of Nova Roma to try to learn to
>spell a little more accurately.  "SPEACH"?  Do you mean "speech"?  Or
>are you referring to some other, as-yet-unrevealed
>activity? "POLITICALY"?  I think you mean "politically".
>And I find it a source of great amusement that you of all people
>cannot spell "tolerance" correctly, as evidenced by earlier posts.
>How are we supposed to gain or keep the respect we desire from those
>outside NR when our "leading" citizens cannot express themselves
>correctly in their native tongue?
>
>If, of course, English is *not* your first language, you can be
>excused, with my apologies.  Otherwise, get a dictionary. And a
>thesaurus.
>
>I do, however, enjoy your random capitalization of words; it has a
>certain 18th-century flair to it.
>
>vale,
>
>Cato
>
>
>
>--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus"
><drusus@b...> wrote:
>> I Thought you favored recreating the Best of Rome. Restricting
>> political speach is recreating the Rome that existed under Sulla's
>> proscriptions, the Rome that existed when Caligula's or Domitian's
>> spies, When Romans feared speaking their minds about their leaders.
>>
>> Attempts to impose Politicaly Correct Speach are tools of repression
>> and political censorship.
>>
>> L. Sicinius Drusus
>>
>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
>> <lafaustus@y...> wrote:
>> > Salve,
>> >
>> > No, they are as well intended to harm psicologically, they are a
>> > subtle violence of the worst kind. There is people here in NR
>> > specialist on this, on transforming this list on a partisan hell,
>> > turning everything into polemic, making a countless cause of
>> > abandoning of prospective and peaceful citizens, silent
>resignations,
>> > we will never know until next census.
>> >
>> > (I warn: It was not the case that initially started the
>subject... we
>> > have already deviated the subject. Paulinus is a kind man.
>However,
>> > it is pretty to good warn in the beggining to not see him falling
>on
>> > these flaws too... I have already seen many citizens sadly
>falling on
>> > the truculence temptation...)
>> >
>> > As Tribune, I deplore any polemist and truculent conduct and as
>> > magistrate I make everything under my capabilities to prevent
>this
>> > kind of behaviour, and not only legally, but with my words and
>> > exemple, the most powerful acting. This is a public compromise in
>> > front of the gods and people of Rome.
>> >
>> > It is ironical that this subject started when I was attacked by
>> > giving support to a very good citizen, Pompeia Minucia Strabo,
>> > refering to her imense qualities and roman virtues, comparing
>with
>> > real situations of Roman History, without talking of anyone more.
>But
>> > this - hate - we see rotting Nova Roma, seems to turn everything
>on a
>> > matter of battlefield. If I have deplored someone, it would be
>fair
>> > someone coming in defense, but we cannot even praise the good
>> > citizens, there is someone coming in attack? Where we are? On a
>> > tavern fight? Or on a recriation of the Roman Republic on its
>best?
>> >
>> > Let´s drop the matter. These posts are pretty tiresome...
>> >
>> > Vale,
>> > L. Arminius Faustus TRP
>> >
>> > PS. Yes, I know Kafka and have read him some times.
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus"
>> > <drusus@b...> wrote:
>> > > Salve,
>> > >
>> > > Words are NOT violence unless they convey a threat of physical
>harm,
>> > > and attempts to redefine them as such is an effort to impose
>> > political
>> > > censorship.
>> > >
>> > > Kafkaesque refers to the novels of Kafka which presented a
>surreal
>> > > distortion of reality, an apt description of that endorsement.
>> > >
>> > > L. Sicinius Drusus
>> > >
>> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
>> > > <lafaustus@y...> wrote:
>> > > > Salve,
>> > > >
>> > > > Ill words are too a violence, and unfortunatly a very common
>form
>> > of
>> > > > agression in Nova Roma, specially dear to some factions here,
>to
>> > the
>> > > > greater damage of Nova Roma. (This surely wasn´t the case
>of
>the
>> > post
>> > > > I was talking)
>> > > >
>> > > > "> If you wish to avoid being mocked then try to avoid
>posting
>> > > > something > best described as Kafkaesque Surreality, like
>that
>> > > > endorsement of Strabo."
>> > > >
>> > > > Am I a mirror? You should read carefully your own posts
>before
>> > saying
>> > > > this to me.
>> > > >
>> > > > Vale bene,
>> > > > L. Arminius Faustus TRP
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Sicinius Drusus"
>> > > > <drusus@b...> wrote:
>> > > > > The sacrosanct status of a Tribune protects him from
>physical
>> > > > attacks,
>> > > > > threats of violence, or legal action while he is a Tribune.
>It
>> > > > offers
>> > > > > no protection from being Mocked, neither from a citizen nor
>> > another
>> > > > > Tribune.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > If you wish to avoid being mocked then try to avoid posting
>> > > > something
>> > > > > best described as Kafkaesque Surreality, like that
>endorsement
>> > of
>> > > > Strabo.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > L. Sicinius Drusus
>> > > > >
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>

Salvete Quirites,

AthanasiosofSpfd@... wrote:

> can I politely ask you to snip your posts.

This is a reasonable request, and one I'd encourage all of us to keep
in mind. (It's unfortunate that Gaius Modius, no doubt mistakenly,
forgot to heed his own advice. Let's please not have a dozen posts
from people eager to point out his oversight.)

--
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus

G. Equitius Cato G. Modio Athanasio S.D.

salve, Modius Athanasios.

OK.

vale,

Cato

Oops! Yes, I'm sorry for being a hypocrite myself, truly unintentional. Just goes to show you that it is easy to post long un-snipped posts without realizing it.

Also, when using web-based e-mail this can happen frequently. I usually use aol.com to check e-mail and they constantly update their service which makes adapting to it a constant necessity.

Valete;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 6/30/2004 9:15:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Bill Gawne <gawne@...> writes:

>Salvete Quirites,
>
>AthanasiosofSpfd@... wrote:
>
>> can I politely ask you to snip your posts.
>
>This is a reasonable request, and one I'd encourage all of us to keep
>in mind.  (It's unfortunate that Gaius Modius, no doubt mistakenly,
>forgot to heed his own advice.  Let's please not have a dozen posts
>from people eager to point out his oversight.)
>
>--
>Gnaeus Equitius Marinus