--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a... wrote:
> F. Galerius Aurelianus L. Martiano Paullo. Salve.
>
> Actually many of the people involved in this discussion are among
the most
> active in promoting and practicing the Religio. Scaurus has
conducted and
> posted more public festivals and rituals than anyone I can think
of in the last two
> years. Athanasios runs a close second and has held Religio rites
& classes
> at several pagan festivals. While I am not a member of the Sacred
College, I
> have designed and posted one public festival on the ML, held
classes on the
> Religio at two pagan festivals, and conducted the Vinalia Prioria
at one pagan
> festival. There are several other notable citizens who have
reestablished the
> rites of augury without which we would not be able to call the
assemblies.
> Pontifex Drusus may not currently post any public rites that I am
aware of but
> while he was Propraetor of America Austrorientalis he issued the
edict that
> named the patron deities of our province.
>
> You are correct that honoring Dii Immortales in due and ancient
form is one
> of the foremost duties of a citizen or magistrate.
>
> What about you, citizen, who are your patron God or Gods? Do you
keep the
> household rites and honor the appropriate Immortales on the
Kalends, Nones, and
> Ides? If you do, you practice the proper Pietas and have the
respect of
> others who do so. I believe everyone who holds the Religio should
have no
> hesitation or reservation in sharing their knowledge with all
citizens.
>
> Vale.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> Test only
>
> QLP
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] CHECK


I see your test! I really do!

GnCL

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 03:45:29 -0000, Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly) <mjk@...> wrote:
> Test only
>
> QLP
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>


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> Salvete omnes,
> F. Galerius Aurelianus Q. Lanio Paulino. Salve.
> I have some questions regarding the Religio Romano.
>
> 1) Is the revival of the Religio relatively new or have there been
> many practitioners left over the last 2 millenia to continue
> honoring the gods of Rome?

>
> 2) Are there any particular other organizations or institutions
> around the world that have and are currently promoting the religion.

>
> 3) I am like F. Galerius Aurelius deeply impressed with the
> knowledge of the prayers, ceremonies and rituals continually
> demonstrated by Scaurus and Athanasios (who have a grat knowledge

> advanced level to gain this knowledge?

>
> 4) Does the Religio Romano have some sorts of learning guides
> (something like a Catholic catechism) to teach newcomers or those
> who are participants but lack the knowledge of the gentlemen
> mentioned above?

>
> 5) Is there some type or types of conversion processes for anyone
> who wishes to become a practitioner and do things correctly.

>
>
> I am posing these questions because many people who are interested
> in looking into NR ask these questions and the more I know, the
> better.
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
> Be well.
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a... wrote:
> > F. Galerius Aurelianus L. Martiano Paullo. Salve.
> >
> > Actually many of the people involved in this discussion are among
> the most
> > active in promoting and practicing the Religio. Scaurus has
> conducted and
> > posted more public festivals and rituals than anyone I can think
> of in the last two
> > years. Athanasios runs a close second and has held Religio rites
> & classes
> > at several pagan festivals. While I am not a member of the

> College, I
> > have designed and posted one public festival on the ML, held
> classes on the
> > Religio at two pagan festivals, and conducted the Vinalia Prioria
> at one pagan
> > festival. There are several other notable citizens who have
> reestablished the
> > rites of augury without which we would not be able to call the
> assemblies.
> > Pontifex Drusus may not currently post any public rites that I am
> aware of but
> > while he was Propraetor of America Austrorientalis he issued the
> edict that
> > named the patron deities of our province.
> >
> > You are correct that honoring Dii Immortales in due and ancient
> form is one
> > of the foremost duties of a citizen or magistrate.
> >
> > What about you, citizen, who are your patron God or Gods? Do you
> keep the
> > household rites and honor the appropriate Immortales on the
> Kalends, Nones, and
> > Ides? If you do, you practice the proper Pietas and have the
> respect of
> > others who do so. I believe everyone who holds the Religio

> have no
> > hesitation or reservation in sharing their knowledge with all
> citizens.
> >
> > Vale.
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a... wrote:
> F. Galerius Aurelianus S.P.D.
>
> My statements and question was concerning a Roman Emperor, not
someone that
> lived or occurred in modern times. The question has to deal with
the Nova Roma
> Constitution not Nuremberg. The question is "If an edict by a
Roman Emperor
> affecting paganism occurred after the end of the period that Nova
Roma's
> Constitution covers, then why should any action by any organ of
Nova Roma be
> enacted do declare the action of said Emperor null and void or do
declare that
> Emperor sacer?"
>
> I challenge any such ruling and I do not accept any comparison of
any other
> macronational leader regardless of his or her crimes if it does not
cover the
> period of Nova Roma's constitutional or religious interest, namely
the founding
> of Rome to the removal of the Altar of Victory from the Senate
House.
>
> Furthermore, religious bigotry and chauvinism by any religious
group is still
> not justifiable.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

----- Original Message -----
From: Gregory Rose
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 10:25 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] A Public Response to the Petitio Actionis of D. Constantinus Fuscus


G. Iulius Scaurus S. P. D.

Salvete, Quirites.

The courts of ancient Rome were not conducted in secret, far from the
eyes of citizens. They were conducted openly. A man presented his
petition to the praetor in front of any citizen who cared to be present.
We have not yet learned that habit of republican Roman life.

D. Constantinus Fuscus has refiled his suit against me. He did so
before the Ludi Apollinares were even over, which shows, I think, how
much respect he actually has for the Di Immortales.

I am posting my formal response to the petitio here, as it would be
presented in a Roman court -- openly, where all citizens can hear it.

REPLY TO PETITIO ACTIONIS

I point out that the Constitution of Nova Roma guarantees:

II.B.4. The right to participate in all public forums and discussions,
and the right to reasonably expect such forums to be supported by the
State. Such communications, regardless of their content, may not be
restricted by the State, except where they represent an imminent and
clear danger to the Republic. Such officially sponsored forums may be
expected to be reasonably moderated in the interests of maintaining
order and civility.

Furthermore, the Constitution itself currently supersedes in legal
authority any act of any Comitia:

I.B. Legal precedence. This Constitution shall be the highest legal
authority within Nova Roma, apart from edicts issued by a legally
appointed dictator. It shall thereafter be followed in legal authority
by edicta issued by consuls acting under the Senatus consultum ultima,
laws properly voted and passed by one of the comitia, decreta passed by
the collegium pontificum, decreta passed by the collegium augurium,
Senatus consulta, and magisterial edicta (in order of descending
authority as described in section IV of this Constitution), in that
order. Should a lower authority conflict with a higher authority, the
higher authority shall take precedence. Should a law passed by one
comitia contradict one passed by another or the same comitia without
explicitly superceding that law, the most recent law shall take precedence.

The petitio actionis of D. Constantinus Fuscus asks the state in the
person of the praetor to restrict the content of speech I have uttered
on the main list, to punish me for it, and to chill political discourse
in the state generally as a consequence. His use of the Lex Salicia
Poenalis is a blatant attempt to criminalise political speech contrary
to the clear guarantee of the constitution. There is nothing in my
remarks cited by Fuscus which was not a political opinion and, if I am
to be punished at law for expressing political opinion, then the
constitutional guarantee of free speech is rendered meaningless. All it
takes is a demagogue who willing to use the courts to advance his agenda
and silence his opposition to create a de facto dictatorship in Nova
Roma and I am convinced by his actions that this is precisely the
petitioner's intention. For the state to abet it is tyranny.
Furthermore, there is nothing in my remarks cited by Fuscus which does
not have dozens of analogues in the extant corpus of historical Roman
political speech. Fuscus petitions the praetor to exclude in principle
a significant portion of Roman political diction from Nova Roma and to
intimidate into silence those who would use that diction to oppose his
political agenda. If the petitioner wishes to silence me, let him do it
the in traditional way and tack my head and hands to the rostra while he
is at it. This petitio is nothing more than political proscription
through the courts.

I also point out that defamation in Roman law requires actual damage.
Fuscus has made no showing whatsoever that any actual damage has
occurred. That alone is sufficient to nullify his petitio.

I therefore request that the petitio actionis against me be immediately
dismissed on the grounds that it is incongruous with the Constitution of
Nova Roma and fails to meet the minimum standard for defamation under
Roman law.

Valete.

G. Iulius Scaurus
Reus




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----- Original Message -----
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 5:24 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Congratulations Consul!


Salve Illustris Consul et Senator Gnaeus Equitius Marinus!

The first half and more of your term has been filled with hard work
and hard-won victories. I congratulate You for your diligence and
loyalty towards the Res Publica!

It is a pleasure for me to also congratulate You on your birthday.
Congratulations on your 50th birthday!
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a... wrote:
> F. Galerius Aurelianus L. Martiano Paullo. Salve.
>
> Actually many of the people involved in this discussion are among
the most
> active in promoting and practicing the Religio. Scaurus has
conducted and
> posted more public festivals and rituals than anyone I can think
of in the last two
> years. Athanasios runs a close second and has held Religio rites
& classes
> at several pagan festivals. While I am not a member of the Sacred
College, I
> have designed and posted one public festival on the ML, held
classes on the
> Religio at two pagan festivals, and conducted the Vinalia Prioria
at one pagan
> festival. There are several other notable citizens who have
reestablished the
> rites of augury without which we would not be able to call the
assemblies.
> Pontifex Drusus may not currently post any public rites that I am
aware of but
> while he was Propraetor of America Austrorientalis he issued the
edict that
> named the patron deities of our province.
>
> You are correct that honoring Dii Immortales in due and ancient
form is one
> of the foremost duties of a citizen or magistrate.
>
> What about you, citizen, who are your patron God or Gods? Do you
keep the
> household rites and honor the appropriate Immortales on the
Kalends, Nones, and
> Ides? If you do, you practice the proper Pietas and have the
respect of
> others who do so. I believe everyone who holds the Religio should
have no
> hesitation or reservation in sharing their knowledge with all
citizens.
>
> Vale.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gregory Rose <gfr@w...> wrote:

> The courts of ancient Rome were not conducted in secret, far from the
> eyes of citizens. They were conducted openly. A man presented his
> petition to the praetor in front of any citizen who cared to be
present.
> We have not yet learned that habit of republican Roman life.

> b) it was my understanding that the Ludi Apollinares
> ended at midnight, Rome time, of the 13th of August
> as per the Edictum of the Consul. The petitio
> Actionis was filed 5 minutes after midnight, Rome
> time, therefore the 14th ofJuly, Ludi being over.

> In have to laugh, sorry. I can picture the scene now,
> you sitting by your computer itching to press the send
> button to resubmit your petitio, beads of sweat on
> your brow, one eye glued to the clock....
>
> ....tick.....tick....tick....tick....send!!!
>
> Oh, the whoops of delight must have been clearly
> audible.
>
> What a loser. You really do need to get a life.
>
> Vale
>
> Decimus Iunius Silanus
>

> Ever heard of automated actions for computer programs? I was

> from having an icecream with my girlfriend in front of the

> reading of the Aeneid at the markets of Traianum (7th book, quite

> Came back home 5 past midnight, filed a reply to Drusus and went

> readying for a new joyful day under the sun of Rome. Thanx for the

> my real life, btw :) I'm touched, I'll make a point of keeping you

> you will not have to worry, dear friend.
>
> Oh, you really need to learn more about the capability of your

> application, they can do wonders for you! Oh, do not add a "vale"

> the mail when it's clear you do not mean it, it's a tad

> Ave Silanus
>
> Ever heard of automated actions for computer programs?

> You have just moved beyond breaking the spirit of the amnesty, to
> admitting that you broke it in fact by taking the action of setting up
> that automated response while the amnesty was in effect.

> Gaius Modius Athanasius S.P.D.
>
> The courts were always held in the open. It is not a private matter per se,
>
> but a public matter of the state. People need to do know frivolous lawsuits
>
> are filed, and react accordingly.
>
> Vale;
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius

> Thanx for the concern for my real life, btw :)

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "FAC" <sacro_barese_impero@l...> wrote:
> Salvete Omnes,
> IMHO sending privatly a petitio actionis against someone doesn't
> mean that the accuser would secretly detroy a leader (???) of the
> Res Publica.
> In my opinion often a private comunication would respect the privacy
> of the accused from the public judgement. I think that to be accused
> of something is never a positive event because the public opinion
> could follow the stronger wind and not the legal reality.
> In any way I think this is a private affair between Aedile Scaurus
> and Aedile Urbis Fuscus. If they want show publicly their private
> affair, it's a problem of them. Our opinions are unuseful and
> mustn't influence the decision of the court.
> Any contrary attempt is an offense for both the sides in my personal
> opinion.
>
> Valete
> Fr. Apulus Caesar

> Ave
>
> Scrive Lucius Sicinius Drusus <drusus@b...>:
> > You have just moved beyond breaking the spirit of the amnesty, to
> > admitting that you broke it in fact by taking the action of setting up
> > that automated response while the amnesty was in effect.
>
> Besides that I didn't break the spirit of the amnesty (the spirit of

> for the one who had fallen under the benefit effects of it to seek an
> appeacement), besides that I actually I exercised a right of mine

> course to which I was fully legitimized... besides that, and

> lines... And? Why, do you always think of the things to do at the

> second without ever thinking in advance? Ah, Drusus.. ok, nevermind,

> about it.
>
> Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
> PF Constantinia
> Aedilis Urbis

> Salve,
>
> It ceases to be a private mater the moment the Res Publica is involved
> by filing a Pettio, and involving the Res Publica should be done publicly.
>
> I do however have to thank you for a good laugh this morning. I found
> the use of titles to be very humorus, the attempt to imply that an
> appointed provincial postion and and elected curile magistry somehow
> have equal status was just too funny for words!
>
> L. Sicinius Drusus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "FAC" <sacro_barese_impero@l...> wrote:
> > Salvete Omnes,
> > IMHO sending privatly a petitio actionis against someone doesn't
> > mean that the accuser would secretly detroy a leader (???) of the
> > Res Publica.
> > In my opinion often a private comunication would respect the privacy
> > of the accused from the public judgement. I think that to be accused
> > of something is never a positive event because the public opinion
> > could follow the stronger wind and not the legal reality.
> > In any way I think this is a private affair between Aedile Scaurus
> > and Aedile Urbis Fuscus. If they want show publicly their private
> > affair, it's a problem of them. Our opinions are unuseful and
> > mustn't influence the decision of the court.
> > Any contrary attempt is an offense for both the sides in my personal
> > opinion.
> >
> > Valete
> > Fr. Apulus Caesar
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

> Salve Consul Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
>
> I would like to add my congratulation and best wishes as you

>
> Again Congratulations and best wishes for the remainder of the year.
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Tribunus Plebs
> Legate for Regio Terrae Mariae (Maryland)
> of Mediatlantica Provincia.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 5:24 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Congratulations Consul!
>
>
> Salve Illustris Consul et Senator Gnaeus Equitius Marinus!
>
> The first half and more of your term has been filled with hard

> and hard-won victories. I congratulate You for your diligence and
> loyalty towards the Res Publica!
>
> It is a pleasure for me to also congratulate You on your

> Congratulations on your 50th birthday!
> --
>
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
> Proconsul Thules
> Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
> Civis Romanus sum
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************************************************
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> Gaius Modius Athanasius L. Sicinio Druso salutem dicit
>
> Exactly. It shows intent to go against the spirit of the amnesty and shows a
>
> character trait that I am very glad has come out in the open. Like I
> mentioned before, I believe Fuscus to be an Enemy of the Gods.
>
> Vale;
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius
>
> In a message dated 7/14/2004 8:19:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> drusus@... writes:
> You have just moved beyond breaking the spirit of the amnesty, to
> admitting that you broke it in fact by taking the action of setting up
> that automated response while the amnesty was in effect.
>
> L. Sicinius Drusus

>
> Salvete, Quirites.
>
> The courts of ancient Rome were not conducted in secret, far from

> eyes of citizens. They were conducted openly. A man presented his
> petition to the praetor in front of any citizen who cared to be

> We have not yet learned that habit of republican Roman life.
>

> Reus

> Salve Consul.
>
> A very happy (if belated) birthday to you!
>
> vale,
>
> Cato
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher"

> wrote:
> > Salve Consul Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> >
> > I would like to add my congratulation and best wishes as you
> celebrate your 50 birthday and the (just over) half way mark of

> term. Those of us who have a had the privilege and pleasure of
> meeting your and your gracious lady Paula are well aware of your

> work and total dedication to Nova Roma and it continued success.
> >
> > Again Congratulations and best wishes for the remainder of the

> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> > Tribunus Plebs
> > Legate for Regio Terrae Mariae (Maryland)
> > of Mediatlantica Provincia.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Cc: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 5:24 PM
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Congratulations Consul!
> >
> >
> > Salve Illustris Consul et Senator Gnaeus Equitius Marinus!
> >
> > The first half and more of your term has been filled with hard
> work
> > and hard-won victories. I congratulate You for your diligence

> > loyalty towards the Res Publica!
> >
> > It is a pleasure for me to also congratulate You on your
> birthday.
> > Congratulations on your 50th birthday!
> > --
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> > Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
> > Proconsul Thules
> > Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
> > Civis Romanus sum
> > ************************************************
> > Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> > "I'll either find a way or make one"
> > ************************************************
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> > Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
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> Salve,
>
> Your pride caused you to admit that you took action well before the
> end of the Ludi and attempted to hide the timing of your actions

> an automated computer response.
>
> The key point isn't when your computer carried out your command,

> when you gave the command, and you have already admitted that it

> given while the amnesty was in effect.
>
> You really did shoot yourself in the foot after Silanus laughed at

>
> L. Sicinius Drusus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
> <dom.con.fus@f...> wrote:
> > Ave
> >
> > Scrive Lucius Sicinius Drusus <drusus@b...>:
> > > You have just moved beyond breaking the spirit of the amnesty,

> > > admitting that you broke it in fact by taking the action of

> > > that automated response while the amnesty was in effect.
> >
> > Besides that I didn't break the spirit of the amnesty (the

> it did call
> > for the one who had fallen under the benefit effects of it to

> > appeacement), besides that I actually I exercised a right of mine
> taking an
> > course to which I was fully legitimized... besides that, and
> replying to your
> > lines... And? Why, do you always think of the things to do at the
> very last
> > second without ever thinking in advance? Ah, Drusus.. ok,

> forget
> > about it.
> >
> > Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
> > PF Constantinia
> > Aedilis Urbis

> I do however have to thank you for a good laugh this morning. I

> the use of titles to be very humorus, the attempt to imply that an
> appointed provincial postion and and elected curile magistry

> have equal status was just too funny for words!

> Exactly. It shows intent to go against the spirit of the amnesty

> character trait that I am very glad has come out in the open.

> mentioned before, I believe Fuscus to be an Enemy of the Gods.

>"Lucius Sicinius Drusus" ha scritto:
>You have just moved beyond breaking the spirit of the amnesty, to
>admitting that you broke it in fact by taking the action of setting
>up that automated response while the amnesty was in effect.

>FAC ha scritto:
>I'm bit worried because Diana was the Quaestor assigned to Aedile
>Iulius Perusianus and the project Magna Mater.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
> Gaius Modius Athanasius L. Sicinio Druso salutem dicit
>
> Exactly. It shows intent to go against the spirit of the amnesty
and shows a
> character trait that I am very glad has come out in the open.
Like I
> mentioned before, I believe Fuscus to be an Enemy of the Gods.
>
> Vale;
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius
>
> In a message dated 7/14/2004 8:19:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> drusus@b... writes:
> You have just moved beyond breaking the spirit of the amnesty, to
> admitting that you broke it in fact by taking the action of
setting up
> that automated response while the amnesty was in effect.
>
> L. Sicinius Drusus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> Okay. Let the interrogations begin! Did anyone have
> the gall to do any of the following during the
> period in which we were to behave without ill will:

> Candidates are invited to declare for the vacant office of Quaestor.
> Candidates must be fully qualified in accordance with the laws of Nova
> Roma. Anyone wishing to declare their candidacy for this position
> should contact me directly at gawne@... (gawne AT cesmail DOT
> net) so that I may confirm their qualifications. Once qualifications
> have been confirmed, candidates should post announcements of candidacy
> to the main mailing list, Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, and such other
> mailing lists as they may choose.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "FAC" <sacro_barese_impero@l...> wrote:
> Salve Senator Drusus,
>
> > I do however have to thank you for a good laugh this morning. I
> found
> > the use of titles to be very humorus, the attempt to imply that an
> > appointed provincial postion and and elected curile magistry
> somehow
> > have equal status was just too funny for words!
>
> I'm sorry, Senator, never I said that the titles are equal. I would
> underline that bot of them are honourable gentlemen. The next time
> I'll list all the titles for your only pleasure.
> In any way I would remember you that the title of Aedile Urbis is
> created by a national law and I think the Aedile of Rome must to
> receive a bit of respect as rapresentant of the Nova Romans in the
> Urbs Caput Mundi.
> I'm just showing respect for both the sides, are you able to do it?
>
> Vale
> Fr. Apulus Caesar

> As for the rest, yor whole reply seems again an attempt to turn the
>freedom of speech in a freedom of libel, not uncommon around here
>and seen no late than last week when the ultra-deserved moderation
>of Diana Aventina was turned into the martyrdom of the freedom of
>speech, and to influence the Praetor.

> Salve Domiti Constanti,
>
> > b) it was my understanding that the Ludi Apollinares
> > ended at midnight, Rome time, of the 13th of August
> > as per the Edictum of the Consul. The petitio
> > Actionis was filed 5 minutes after midnight, Rome
> > time, therefore the 14th ofJuly, Ludi being over.
>
> In have to laugh, sorry. I can picture the scene now,
> you sitting by your computer itching to press the send
> button to resubmit your petitio, beads of sweat on
> your brow, one eye glued to the clock....
>
> ....tick.....tick....tick....tick....send!!!
>
> Oh, the whoops of delight must have been clearly
> audible.
>
> What a loser. You really do need to get a life.
>
> Vale
>
> Decimus Iunius Silanus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ___________________________________________________________ALL-NEW

> avete omnes,
>
> >"Lucius Sicinius Drusus" ha scritto:
> >You have just moved beyond breaking the spirit of the amnesty, to
> >admitting that you broke it in fact by taking the action of setting
> >up that automated response while the amnesty was in effect.
>
> I really can't see where all the problem is. Are we beginning to put
> on trials here people just for thinking something during an amnesty
> periods? it's my humble opinion that the whole discussion about this
> is senseless.

> What about you, citizen, who are your patron God or Gods? Do you

> household rites and honor the appropriate Immortales on the

> Ides? If you do, you practice the proper Pietas and have the

> others who do so. I believe everyone who holds the Religio should

> hesitation or reservation in sharing their knowledge with all

----- Original Message -----
From: M. Arminia Maior Fabiana
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 5:46 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: A Public Response to the Petitio Actionis of D. Constantinus Fuscus


---Salve Scaurus;
Well Fabia Vera feels the same way, I did not receive any pardon
during the Ludi Apollinares either;)
But you have the opportunity of an open trial to rebut the
allegations of Fuscus more than I received from the Collegium
Pontificum!
So my advice to you as someone who has been there is to act like a
Roman & actively pursue your case through Nova Roma's legal channels
which I cannot admire more. And accept your fate either way with
philosophy and grace.
You may think others are trying to strip you of your dignitas but
I can attest it is in your own hands; stay the course and never
resign your duties..
bene vale
M. Arminia Maior Fabiana (former Fabia Vera)

Propraetrix Hiberniae
cohors Censoris CFQ

>
> Salvete, Quirites.
>
> The courts of ancient Rome were not conducted in secret, far from
the
> eyes of citizens. They were conducted openly. A man presented his
> petition to the praetor in front of any citizen who cared to be
present.
> We have not yet learned that habit of republican Roman life.
>
Scaurus
> Reus


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> This statement is based on a usual patern of
> partisanship.......

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "deciusiunius" <bcatfd@t...> wrote:
>
> Salve Palladius,
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
> <dom.con.fus@f...> wrote:
>
> > As for the rest, yor whole reply seems again an attempt to turn
the
> >freedom of speech in a freedom of libel, not uncommon around here
> >and seen no late than last week when the ultra-deserved moderation
> >of Diana Aventina was turned into the martyrdom of the freedom of
> >speech, and to influence the Praetor.
>
> Just a note of clarification over those events, since you seem
> confused over those events.
>
> Diana Octavia's resignation and subsequent complaints over freedom
of
> speech were not over her moderation. While obviously she wasn't
happy
> about being moderated, she understood she broke the rules and
> received a brief moderation in response. Rather her complaint was
> that one of the moderators, Consul Marinus, edited one of her
> moderated emails, completely changing the meaning of the email and
> then forwarded it to the list without so much as a disclaimer that
it
> had been edited. This was completely wrong and why she made an
issue
> over freedom of speech. It gave the appearance that he, a
political
> opponent if not a personal her's, was stifling her speech.
>
> After that, Consul Marinus agreed not to personally approve or
> disapprove Diana Octavia's moderated emails but leave the task to
one
> of the other moderators. He has also agreed as a general rule not
to
> forward edited emails but to reject them outright and ask the
writer
> to rewrite them.
>
> Vale,
>
> Palladius

----- Original Message -----
From: Decimus Iunius Silanus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: A Public Response to the Petitio Actionis of D. Constantinus Fuscus


Salve Pompeia Cornelia,

> This statement is based on a usual patern of
> partisanship.......

No less partisan than you I'd believe, and certainly
substantially less vociferous than you have proved
yourself capable of, many a time.

Vale

Decimus Iunius Silanus





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> Ave Silanus,
>
> Pompeia is not a Cornelian anymore.
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Decimus Iunius Silanus
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 8:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: A Public Response to the Petitio

>
>
> Salve Pompeia Cornelia,
>
> > This statement is based on a usual patern of
> > partisanship.......
>
> No less partisan than you I'd believe, and certainly
> substantially less vociferous than you have proved
> yourself capable of, many a time.
>
> Vale
>
> Decimus Iunius Silanus
>
>
>
>
>
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> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> ---Salve 'Senator" Decimus Iunius Silanus:

> Writing to Domitius Constantinus our esteemed Senator writes:
>
> "What a loser. You really do need to get a life."
>
> This statement is based on a usual patern of partisanship toward the
> more ultra conservative models of justice and government in Nova
>Roma, and are entirely on assumption.

> Are you intent on belittling all others who file petitions under the
> lex Salicia?...or is this a select criteria? At any rate, I think a
> Senator calling a citizen a 'loser' for any reason in public, is
> probably not a good idea.
>
> Oh, you can remind me of my post of last July if you wish...but I do
> not have a steady appetite for calling people 'losers' for
>exercizing their rights under the laws upon which I represent as
>Senator...and I'll stop there.

> Whether it matters a hither or dither to you, Constantinus is
>entitled to file the petition.

> Salve,
>
> I found this link from a Seattle, WA newspaper in the ad section of
> one of my Gmail e-mail's and I
> thought I would share it. Be sure to look at the cartoons at the bottom. :-)
>
> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/181490_empire11.html
>
> Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
>
> --
> "Fighting for Faith, Freedom, and the
> Constitution to put America First"
>
> http://www.americafirstparty.org
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
> Gaius Modius Athanasius L. Sicinio Druso salutem dicit
>
> Exactly. It shows intent to go against the spirit of the amnesty
and shows a
> character trait that I am very glad has come out in the open. Like
I
> mentioned before, I believe Fuscus to be an Enemy of the Gods.
>
> Vale;
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius
>

> Salve, Athanasii,
>
> "I believe Fuscus to be an Enemy of the Gods"
>
> Oh Pontifex, Augur, Flaminem, Tribune!
>
> Come on! Hold your tongue! How you could say that? It has a somewhat
> smell of curse! Nobody is the spokesman of the gods on a so deep
> matter! I garantee that if Iove Optimus Maximus is in revenge to
> somebody he will have much more resources to deal with it on the
> right manner. Saying that is a... is a... very very very strong
> thing... unworthy for a man holding so many priesthoods to say!
>
> Vale bene,
> L. Arminius Faustus TRP
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
> > Gaius Modius Athanasius L. Sicinio Druso salutem dicit
> >
> > Exactly. It shows intent to go against the spirit of the amnesty
> and shows a
> > character trait that I am very glad has come out in the open. Like
> I
> > mentioned before, I believe Fuscus to be an Enemy of the Gods.
> >
> > Vale;
> >
> > Gaius Modius Athanasius
> >

----- Original Message -----
From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 12:05 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: A Public Response to the Petitio Actionis of D. Constanti...


---
Salvete Tribunis Lucius Arminius Faustus, et omnes:

I saw this one...and you know, I darned near cried...really.

I don't know just 'who' to feel more sorry for, Domitius Contantinus,
and any other recipient of such a statement, or Gaius Modius Pontifex
et Tribune....and this is delivered with the utmost of sincerity and
concern.

There are 'few' practitioners of the Religio Romana, (and I know quite
a few from both Nova Roma and other Roman circles) who would feel at
all justified in making such a statement'period' to anyone..others
might consider it, but not without proof that there was actual
'intent' to Blaspheme, and this is after a demonstrated pattern of
emnity, not general fixed false beliefs that people are 'against' them
and disapprove of their religious freedoms and rights.

At best, in this instance, there is a question of technical time-zone
element, which has nothing to do with Blasphemy...I believe a
clarification of intent has been issued by Domitius Constantinus on
this list, stating that it was not his intent to 'blaspheme' (why do I
feel like I am in Medieval times, here?) But such a 'statement of
belief' on the part of a Pontiff and a Tribune about a fellow
citizen's worth in the eyes of the Immortals should not have been
issued with no proof, and if blasphemy or emnity of the Gods is an
issue, this is a question for the CP itself, not one individual making
arbitrary judgements on its own.



For what it is worth, I know many of you in the republic who are
practitioners of the Religio, and I do not lay a blanket judgement by
my remarks as being a stereotypical statement about you folks,
certainly not; this is an expression of remorse and regret about an
uttering unbecoming of a Tribune and a formidable religious leader,
and elected official in our community.

I don't excuse Gerry Falwell for statements of this nature, the antics
of Jim and Tammy Fae Bakker (Christian fundamentalists extroordinare),
so I don't excuse you either, as being another religious official.

Today the unfortunate recipient of this treatment is Domitius
Constantinus Fuscus...tomorrow it could be 'you'.



Bene valete,
Pompeia

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Arminius Faustus"
<lafaustus@y...> wrote:
> Salve, Athanasii,
>
> "I believe Fuscus to be an Enemy of the Gods"
>
> Oh Pontifex, Augur, Flaminem, Tribune!
>
> Come on! Hold your tongue! How you could say that? It has a somewhat
> smell of curse! Nobody is the spokesman of the gods on a so deep
> matter! I garantee that if Iove Optimus Maximus is in revenge to
> somebody he will have much more resources to deal with it on the
> right manner. Saying that is a... is a... very very very strong
> thing... unworthy for a man holding so many priesthoods to say!
>
> Vale bene,
> L. Arminius Faustus TRP
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
> > Gaius Modius Athanasius L. Sicinio Druso salutem dicit
> >
> > Exactly. It shows intent to go against the spirit of the amnesty
> and shows a
> > character trait that I am very glad has come out in the open. Like
> I
> > mentioned before, I believe Fuscus to be an Enemy of the Gods.
> >
> > Vale;
> >
> > Gaius Modius Athanasius
> >


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> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus

> Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> > Salvete omnes,
> > F. Galerius Aurelianus Q. Lanio Paulino. Salve.
> > I have some questions regarding the Religio Romano.
> >
> > 1) Is the revival of the Religio relatively new or have there

> > many practitioners left over the last 2 millenia to continue
> > honoring the gods of Rome?
>
> There were many survivals of the Religio left in both Roman

> and Orthodox Christianity during the first few centuries of the
> Christian era. Many saints were incorporated into the Christian
> pantheon with some name changes. The titles vicar, pontiff,

> maximus, deacon, father, and mother came from the Religio. Even

> of the vestments and ritual tools came from Christianity.

> to the author of THE TRIUMPH OF THE MOON the Romantic Movement of

> late 18th and early 19th century records the first devotees of
> Apollo, Venus, Pan, and other Roman or Hellene gods but it is hard

> distinguish poetry from devotion. DRAWING DOWN THE MOON (Margot
> Adler) mentions a Church of Aphrodite founded in the early 20th
> century.
> >
> > 2) Are there any particular other organizations or institutions
> > around the world that have and are currently promoting the

>
> NR and SVR are active in promoting the Religio Romana. There are
> three main groups in America and two in Europe that promote the
> Hellene Religion. There may be others and you can find them on
> certain links at the NR and RR websites.
> >
> > 3) I am like F. Galerius Aurelius deeply impressed with the
> > knowledge of the prayers, ceremonies and rituals continually
> > demonstrated by Scaurus and Athanasios (who have a grat

> of Christianity too). Do you need to actually study classics on an
> > advanced level to gain this knowledge?
>
> I cannot speak for anyone else, but my understanding of the

> has been enriched by reading Cato the Elder, Valerius Maximus,
> Cicero, and a number of the pagan authors. There is enough

> on the NR main site, SVR's Religio site, and the RR list to become
> comfortable with the private rites and some of the public

> >
> > 4) Does the Religio Romano have some sorts of learning guides
> > (something like a Catholic catechism) to teach newcomers or

> > who are participants but lack the knowledge of the gentlemen
> > mentioned above?
>
> See the above answer.
> >
> > 5) Is there some type or types of conversion processes for

> > who wishes to become a practitioner and do things correctly.
>
> The practice of any faith is the best example of conversion I

> However, you can always seek instruction from the PM, pontiffs,
> augurs, flamens, and sacerdoes.
> >
> >
> > I am posing these questions because many people who are

> > in looking into NR ask these questions and the more I know, the
> > better.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Quintus Lanius Paulinus
> >
> > Be well.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a... wrote:
> > > F. Galerius Aurelianus L. Martiano Paullo. Salve.
> > >
> > > Actually many of the people involved in this discussion are

> > the most
> > > active in promoting and practicing the Religio. Scaurus has
> > conducted and
> > > posted more public festivals and rituals than anyone I can

> > of in the last two
> > > years. Athanasios runs a close second and has held Religio

> > & classes
> > > at several pagan festivals. While I am not a member of the
> Sacred
> > College, I
> > > have designed and posted one public festival on the ML, held
> > classes on the
> > > Religio at two pagan festivals, and conducted the Vinalia

> > at one pagan
> > > festival. There are several other notable citizens who have
> > reestablished the
> > > rites of augury without which we would not be able to call the
> > assemblies.
> > > Pontifex Drusus may not currently post any public rites that I

> > aware of but
> > > while he was Propraetor of America Austrorientalis he issued

> > edict that
> > > named the patron deities of our province.
> > >
> > > You are correct that honoring Dii Immortales in due and

> > form is one
> > > of the foremost duties of a citizen or magistrate.
> > >
> > > What about you, citizen, who are your patron God or Gods? Do

> > keep the
> > > household rites and honor the appropriate Immortales on the
> > Kalends, Nones, and
> > > Ides? If you do, you practice the proper Pietas and have the
> > respect of
> > > others who do so. I believe everyone who holds the Religio
> should
> > have no
> > > hesitation or reservation in sharing their knowledge with all
> > citizens.
> > >
> > > Vale.
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

----- Original Message -----
From: "aoctaviaindagatrix" <christyacb@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 2:47 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: A Public Response to the Petitio Actionis of D.
Constanti...


> Salve,
>
> Okay. Let the interrogations begin! Did anyone have the gall to
> do any of the following during the period in which we were to behave
> without ill will:
> -Lived normally.

You know, funnily enough - I did just that - I lived normally. I performed
my daily rites, I went to work, attended several meetings, discussed up
coming changes in job descriptions etc., had several counselling sessions (I
work with the homeless) tried to get a psychiatric assessment for one and a
community drugs worker for another, explained to a third why she can't have
the accomodation she wants. I came home, cooked dinner for my two teenagers
and one of their friends, had discussion about chores not being done, went
out to a Pagan Moot and discussed the Religio with a bunch of Heathens.

For me, all pretty normal but the question is why on earth would I want to
do any of that with "ill-will"

Forgive me if I'm wrong but you seem to be insinuating that it's that it's
impossible to live a normal life without ill-will. Obviously your "normal"
must be different from mine.

Flavia Lucilla Merula

> Hey Guys:
>
> Sorry for buggin' y'all, but...I also have an interest in

> the translations for the epithets (or the names) of the Roman (and
> Greek, if anyone could recommend any scholars in the field) Gods;
> their "translations", in other words. I've noticed that the
> translations of the Roman Gods' nakes appear particularly

> For example:
>
> * Cerridwen [W., Gwen = White, Blessed (?)]
> * Aengus mac Og [Ir., Aengus, the Son of Youth or the Young Son]
> * Arianrhod [W., Silver Wheel, Disc]
> * The Morrighan [Ir., Great Queen]
> * Aphrodite [Foam-Born]
> * Apollo [Apple Man or Destroyer]
> * Herakles [Glory Of Hera], Etc...
>
> Take Care,
> Wade

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a... wrote:
> My dear Cato,
>
> I was unaware that the Religio was unclean or tainted with any kind
of
> original sin. I have been practicing the Religio and my other
devotions for some
> time without offering any kind of special "Mea culpa" because of my
affiliations
> with Christianity, Wicca, or other faiths that are different but in
keeping
> with the syncretic (but not eclectic) views as outlined in
Declaration of the
> Religio Romana.
>
> I have no problem with a day of fasting or abstaining from physical
intimacy
> in performance of my religious or magical duties or rites. I
certainly feel
> that a piaculum is in keeping with the very best traditions of the
Religio.
>
> My objections stem from going beyond the limits of the Constitution
of Nova
> Roma and my abhorrence of religious chauvinism. I am at peace with
my fellow
> citizens who are Christians, Jews, or any other legitimate faith
that leads to
> the Light. I even agree with most of your views and opinions on
this subject.
>
> Be well.
>
> F. Galerius Aurelianus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> Pompeia, are you trying to imply that because there are, as you put

>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 12:05 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: A Public Response to the Petitio Actionis