----- Original Message -----
From: Rodacilla
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Potential Sodalitas


It sounds like a very lovely idea. Lucius Modius Kaelius mentioned it to me, and I would certainly love to get involved. :)

Valete,
Rodacilla Modia Sappho



L. Cornelius Sulla wrote:
Avete Omnes,

In the past couple of days, I have been in communication with soon to be citizen Lucius Modius Kaelius. He has some very good ideas and the one idea that we have been discussing recently is the development of a Sodalitas with the focus on education. Our discussion has focused on those citizens who are home schooling parents and students who are in a home schooling environement. In other words, this would focus on students who would be in the age range of 4 years of age til 18 (in the United States this would translate K-12). Initially the focus of this group would be to develop lesson plans to assist teachers, a venue to offer tutors to students, a place to discuss educational theories and subjects taught by the ancients and discuss ways to integrate those methods and subects in today's modern integrated subjects.

The long term goal of this potential sodalitas would be to create the foundation of a charter school. Since under no child left behind the ability to create and operate charter schools are being promoted this venue is something that can be achieved with hard work and dedication.

If anyone is interested in joining this list, please go to the following link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/sodalitas_education/

Respectfully,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
Lucius Modius Kaelius
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> A spot check of posts made this year will enlighten much further
> than I could; and I fully admit, and most at this point know, that
>I have not always been lilly pure in my delivery on contentious
> points.

> As you may have gleened, I am not aligned with the
>hyperconservative faction of Nova Roma called the Boni:) As a
>tolerant and liberal nonpractitioner,

>I am not formally in any
> faction;

> I am what the Boni would refer to as a 'modernist'

> ---Salvete Quirites:
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Samantha" <lucia_modia_lupa@y...>
> wrote:
> > Actually that was a joke regarding landscape compared to
> personality,
> > not actually geography.
> > I was refering some people like a crumbling ruin toppling on

> > own egos and superiority.
>
> ...In which Lucia Modia is unbeknownst being neatly caught up in,
> unfortunately.

> His imperium exists ONLY within his province, and he cannot issue Edicts
> binding outside of his province and cannot issue Edicts that are
> binding upon
> Curule magistrates of the State; namely, Curule Aediles.

> Ex Officio Proconsulis Thulae
>
> Edictum Proconsulicium LXIX about "Pactum de Convento Novae Romae in
> Europe".
>
> I. Hereby I undersign the "Pactum de Convento Novae Romae in Europe".
>
> II. Hereby I appoint Gallus Minucius Tiberius Iovinus as the
> representative for Provincia Thule in the Collegium Interprovinciale
> for the year 2757 to 2758.
>
> III. This edictum becomes effective immediately.
>
> Given 5th of August, in the year of the Consulship of Gnaeus Salix
> Astur and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, 2757 AUC.

> I hereby issue intercessio on this Edict on the Academia Thules
> seeking non-profit incorporation.

> Ex Officio Proconsulis Thulae
>
> Edictum Proconsulicium LXVIII about the registeration of Academia
> Thules as a non-profit organisation
>
> The time has come to register Academia Thules as non-profit
> organisation in Finland. There is a need to have a structure that
> will make it possible for the Academia to cooperate more closely with
> the macronational Academic world.
>
> I. Hereby I confirm the registration in of "Academia Thules ad Studia
> Romana Antiqua et Nova ry" (ry = company) as a Finnish non-profit
> company.
>
> II: Hereby I approve the Regula (Internal rules) of Academia Thules,
> which means that the Academia will continue to work rather as it has
> done before on the internal level. A Editorial committee that will
> correct the language in the Regula according to the decison of the
> Consilium Provinciale Thules.
>
> III. The Regula shall be made available on the Academia site and
> updated as the editorial work progresses.
>
> IV. This edictum becomes effective immediately.
>
> Given 5th of August, in the year of the Consulship of Gnaeus Salix
> Astur and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, 2757 AUC.

> ---Salvete Quirites:
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Samantha" <lucia_modia_lupa@y...>
> wrote:
> > Actually that was a joke regarding landscape compared to
> personality,
> > not actually geography.
> > I was refering some people like a crumbling ruin toppling on

> > own egos and superiority.
>
> ...In which Lucia Modia is unbeknownst being neatly caught up in,
> unfortunately.
>
> Pompeia
> >
> > Lucia Modia Lupa
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
> > <dom.con.fus@f...> wrote:
> > > You are right. Why keeping the, only at times majestic,

> of
> > the
> > > acqueducts that sign the landscapes of half Europe? Why leaving
> > those dangerous
> > > columns ofthe survived temples standing, columns that falling
> might
> > cause
> > > injuries and victims? Why preserving the mosaics, antiquate
> things?
> > And even
> > > the frescos of Pompei, who cares! We have much better examples
> of
> > that kind of
> > > art, less ancient, but much better preserved.
> > >
> > > Let's raze it all! Let's create some more precious, anonimous,
> god
> > (s) forsaken
> > > desert to build upon ratehr than having some crumbling,
> dangerous,
> > ruins! The
> > > conquistadores, those enlightened people known for their
> superior
> > intelligence
> > > that made them move past the silly notion of preserving at

> > something of
> > > what they had conquered to turn everything into neat bars of
> gold
> > and silver,
> > > would be proud of you, Modia.
> > >
> > > BAH!
> > >
> > > Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
> > > PF Constantinia
> > > Aedilis Urbis
> > >
> > >
> > >

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
> Gaius Modius Athanasius Fr. Apulo Caeser salutem dicit
>
> What justification do you have in calling me "americo-centric?"
>
> I consider myself Religio-Centric, and do so with pride. But
> Americo-centric? Frankly, if I had an opportunity to become an ex-
patriot I probably would.
>
> Vale
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius
>
> In a message dated 8/5/2004 11:07:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> sacro_barese_impero@l... writes:
> Never I said it, I only said that the Athanasius' americo-centrism
> is stronger than my europa-centrism. I suppose it's very easy to
> understand that there aremn't critics in this statement.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

----- Original Message -----
From: Kristoffer From
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 12:55 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Intercessio of Edictum


AthanasiosofSpfd@... wrote:

> I hereby issue intercessio on this Edict on the Academia Thules
> seeking non-profit incorporation.


Salve iterum, Gai Modi Athanasi.

I think you misread the edict. It merely confirms the incorporation of
the Academia, it does not advice the Academia to seek such status, as it
already has. A must, in Finland, to be acknowledged as an educational
facility in its own right. If I understood things correctly.

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus wrote:

> Ex Officio Proconsulis Thulae
>
> Edictum Proconsulicium LXVIII about the registeration of Academia
> Thules as a non-profit organisation
>
> The time has come to register Academia Thules as non-profit
> organisation in Finland. There is a need to have a structure that
> will make it possible for the Academia to cooperate more closely with
> the macronational Academic world.
>
> I. Hereby I confirm the registration in of "Academia Thules ad Studia
> Romana Antiqua et Nova ry" (ry = company) as a Finnish non-profit
> company.
>
> II: Hereby I approve the Regula (Internal rules) of Academia Thules,
> which means that the Academia will continue to work rather as it has
> done before on the internal level. A Editorial committee that will
> correct the language in the Regula according to the decison of the
> Consilium Provinciale Thules.
>
> III. The Regula shall be made available on the Academia site and
> updated as the editorial work progresses.
>
> IV. This edictum becomes effective immediately.
>
> Given 5th of August, in the year of the Consulship of Gnaeus Salix
> Astur and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, 2757 AUC.



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> Are you going to be adding her to your enemies list?
>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 9:56 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Boni
>
>
> ---Salvete Quirites:
>

>
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
> Gaius Modius Athanasius S.P.D.
>
> Ex Officio
>
> I pronounce intercessio against the below Edict by Proconsul Caeso
Fabius
> Quintilianus.
>
> A Propraetor or Proconsul serves his province as a representative
of the
> Senate. His imperium exists ONLY within his province, and he
cannot issue Edicts
> binding outside of his province and cannot issue Edicts that are
binding upon
> Curule magistrates of the State; namely, Curule Aediles.
>
> Valete:
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius
> Tribunus Plebis
>
> In a message dated 8/5/2004 9:28:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> christer.edling@t... writes:
> Ex Officio Proconsulis Thulae
>
> Edictum Proconsulicium LXIX about "Pactum de Convento Novae Romae
in Europe".
>
> I. Hereby I undersign the "Pactum de Convento Novae Romae in
Europe".
>
> II. Hereby I appoint Gallus Minucius Tiberius Iovinus as the
> representative for Provincia Thule in the Collegium
Interprovinciale
> for the year 2757 to 2758.
>
> III. This edictum becomes effective immediately.
>
> Given 5th of August, in the year of the Consulship of Gnaeus Salix
> Astur and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, 2757 AUC.
>
> PACTVM DE CONVENTO NOVAE ROMAE IN EVROPA
>
> Introduction
>
> The Conventus Novae Romae directly follows the Nova Roma Rally
which
> was born in 2755 A.V.C.
> The Conventus is a yearly event taking place between July and
August.
> Its aim is to offer all the Cives of Nova Roma the opportunity to
> meet in a European locality to discuss, stay together and
strengthen
> the sense of unity within the Res Publica.
>
> I. Venue of the Conventus Novae Romae
>
> The Venue of the Conventus, chosen by the Collegium
Interprovinciale
> upon candidacy, has to be a locality in Europe. Only those
Provinciae
> whose governors undersigned this convention can host the Conventus
> Novae Romae.
>
> II. Candidacies
>
> Every year each governor can propose one locality only within his
> Provincia as a candidate to host the Conventus Novae Romae.
> Such candidacy has to be submitted to the Collegium
Interprovinciale
> two years in advance, between January 1st and April 30th.
> The candidacy shall include:
> - the name of the locality;
> - a map of Europe and a national one indicating the exact position
of
> the locality;
> - the reasons for choosing such locality and a description of the
> locality itself;
> - the kind of links between the running locality and the rest of
Europe;
> - a description of what the Provincia can offer for the
organization
> and the success of the Conventus;
> - any element deemed useful for the decision of the Collegium
> Interprovinciale.
>
> III. Collegium Interprovinciale
>
> A commettee named Collegium Interprovinciale has the task of
electing
> the localities which shall host the Conventi Novae Romae.
> The Collegium Interprovinciale is composed of a representative of
> each Provincia which undersign this convention. Each
representative
> is appointed by the governor of his Provincia and has to be at
least
> 18 years old.
> Governors can not be members of the Collegium, therefore should a
> member become governor he shall be replaced.
> Each member continues in office for two years, and every year, on
1st
> January, a part of the Collegium is renewed:
> - in even years the representatives of Britannia, Germania, Italia
> and Pannonia are renewed, should such Provinciae undersign the
> convention;
> - in odd years the representatives of Gallia, Hibernia, Hispania,
> Thule and Venedia shall be renewed, should such Provinciae
undersign
> the convention.
> Governors can reappoint the representatives of their Provinciae to
the post.
>
> Every year one of the two Aediles Curules shall be the President
of
> the Collegium. They shall choose upon mutual agreement the one
> holding such position.
>
> IV. Choice of the venue of the Conventus
>
> Among all of the running localities the Collegium Interprovinciale
> shall elect the venue of the Conventus. The elected locality will
be
> the one hosting the Conventus Novae Romae during the second year
> after the voting.
>
> While choosing the venue of the Conventus the Collegium shall
> consider the following:
> - adequacy of the resources offered by the Provincia for the
> organization of the Conventus;
> - links of the locality with the other Provinciae;
> - distance from the last time the Provincia hosted the Conventus.
>
> The voting, presided over by the President of the Collegium, takes
> place between September 1st and September 15th of each year. The
> locality which gets more votes shall be the winner. The result
shall
> be publicly announced by the President between September 16th and
> 30th. Until that date not even the Collegium Interprovinciale
shall
> know the result of the voting. Only after the announce of the
result,
> as a guaranty of non-manipulation, the President shall communicate
> the Collegium the vote of each member.
> Should the result having been manipulated it will be the
Collegium's
> task to publicly rectify what was announced by the President, or
it
> will be the President's task to rectify what he previously
declared.
>
> V. Organization of the Conventus Novae Romae
>
> The Conventus Novae Romae shall take place during the first half
of
> August, and shall last no less than three days and no more than
five,
> not including arrivals and departures.
> The organization of the Conventus and the assistance to the Cives
who
> want to participate is fully up to the host Provincia.
> Not after January 1st of the year the Conventus shall take place
in
> the Provincia shall provide with a web site including:
> - the program, final if possible, of the Conventus (minor
> modifications can be made after);
> - all relevant information on the accomodation of the participants;
> - information on national and international transportations to
reach
> the venue of the Conventus;
> - any further information deemed necessary.
>
> Should it be deemed necessary to ask for inscription to the
> Conventus, the date to start gathering inscriptions is January
1st.
> The deadline to send inscriptions to the Conventus is established
by
> the host Provincia.
> It is strongly recommended to include in the program of every
> Conventus Novae Romae the following points:
> - official opening of the Conventus with speech of the governor of
> the host Provincia, said by the governor himself or by a deputy;
> - Roman dinner:
> - At least half a day of re-enactment where the participants may
take
> part to the various activities wearing Roman clothes.
>
> The program of the Conventus can be enriched by lectures,
meetings,
> tours of museums, expositions, archaeological areas, shows,
classes,
> games and any other pertinent activity.
>
> It is strongly suggested to assign one or two Cives the task to
> assist the participants from other Provinciae in finding flights
and
> trains to reach the Conventus.
>
> It is also recommended to include in the program some free time
which
> the Cives may use as they whish, to have some relax or to organize
> small internal meetings.
>
> At the end of each Conventus the host Provincia shall issue each
> participating Civis a participation certificate.
>
> In organizing the Conventus Novae Romae the host Provincia may
> consider to seek the Aediles Curules' collaboration.
>
> VI. Adherence to the Pactum de Convento Novae Romae
>
> The governors of the European Provinciae who want to adhere to
this
> convention may do it by issueing an Edictum to which they shall
> attach the text of the convention (Pactum de Convento Novae Romae).
> It is recommended the text of this convention to be translated
into
> the languages of the Provinciae which undersign it.
>
> VII. Validity of the Pactum de Convento Novae Romae
>
> This convention is valid only if it is undersigned by at least
three
> governors.
>
> Temporary provisions
>
> A. In order to underline the connection with the Nova Roma Rally,
the
> numbering of the Conventus Novae Romae shall be consecutive.
> Therefore, after the I Novae Romae Rally in Gallia and the II
Novae
> Romae Rally in Italia, the next one shall be the III Conventus
Novae
> Romae.
>
> B. The III Conventus Novae Romae shall take place in Provincia
> Hispania, in Segovia, from 6th to 8th August 2757 A.V.C.
> Provincia Hispania is not required to follow the rules set by this
> convention while organizing the III Conventus Novae Romae in
Segovia.
>
> C. On 1st January 2005 it shall be renewed a part of the Collegium
> Interprovinciale. Therefore such members shall stay in office for
a
> period which is shorter than two years, as set by this convention.
> However they can be reappointed by their governors.
>
> D. Until 30th August 2004 the Collegium Interprovinciale accepts
> candidacies for the IV and for the V Conventus Novae Romae, for
2758
> A.V.C. and 2759 A.V.C. respectively.
> The governors who will submit the candidacies shall indicated for
> which year they are intended.
> The Collegium shall vote between Ocetober 1st and October 15th.
The
> President shall announce the results between October 16th and
> Ocetober 30th.
>
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Proconsul Thules
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> Supporting the religio is *not* synonymous with wanting to expel

> Christians and other non-practioners from Nova Roma.

> The religio is
> not the *only* reason for Nova Roma, even if it is a primary one.

> Ave!
>
> I agree with you 100%.
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix

> If anyone is interested in joining this list, please go to the

>
> Respectfully,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> Lucius Modius Kaelius
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
> Francisco Apulus;
>
> He is a PROCONSUL.
>
> Vale;
>
> Gaius Modius
>
> In a message dated 8/6/2004 5:09:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> sacro_barese_impero@l... writes:
> Propraetor Quintilianus is using his imperium ONLY in the
Provincia
> Thule appointing a citizen.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> The Collegium Pontificum published no official statement on the

> followers within the Religio Romana. So this 10% stat is nothing

> opinion.

> Also, Roman culture and tradition are part of what make up the

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
> Gaius Modius Athanasis S.P.D.
>
> Ex Officio
>
> I hereby issue intercessio on this Edict on the Academia Thules
seeking
> non-profit incorporation. A Proconsul or Propraetor is a
representative of the
> Senate into the provinces. A Provincial Governor does not
represent the
> province, he or she represents the Senate.
>
> A Proconsul or Propraetor does not have the authority to seek
macronational
> incorporation. If the Academa Thules wishes to seek incorporation
as a
> sub-corporation of Nova Roma Inc then it needs the approval of the
Senate of Nova
> Roma.
>
> The province of Thules is NOT a Republic of its own.
>
> Valete;
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius
>
> In a message dated 8/5/2004 9:43:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> christer.edling@t... writes:
> Ex Officio Proconsulis Thulae
>
> Edictum Proconsulicium LXVIII about the registeration of Academia
> Thules as a non-profit organisation
>
> The time has come to register Academia Thules as non-profit
> organisation in Finland. There is a need to have a structure that
> will make it possible for the Academia to cooperate more closely
with
> the macronational Academic world.
>
> I. Hereby I confirm the registration in of "Academia Thules ad
Studia
> Romana Antiqua et Nova ry" (ry = company) as a Finnish non-profit
> company.
>
> II: Hereby I approve the Regula (Internal rules) of Academia
Thules,
> which means that the Academia will continue to work rather as it
has
> done before on the internal level. A Editorial committee that will
> correct the language in the Regula according to the decison of the
> Consilium Provinciale Thules.
>
> III. The Regula shall be made available on the Academia site and
> updated as the editorial work progresses.
>
> IV. This edictum becomes effective immediately.
>
> Given 5th of August, in the year of the Consulship of Gnaeus Salix
> Astur and Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, 2757 AUC.
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Proconsul Thules
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
> Senator;
>
> That 10% reference I was making was to indicate that if Nova Roma
has 200 or
> so active Assidui, and if the Boni has 20 members. Then the Boni
make up 10%
> of the active Assidui in Nova Roma.
>
> Not all Boni are practitioners of the Religio Romana.
>
> Vale;
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius
>
> In a message dated 8/6/2004 9:54:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> sacro_barese_impero@l... writes:
> This is the opinion of a group of Pontefices, in this group
you 're
> too. I'm not in any religious staff so everything you write here
as
> Pontifex (reading your title under the signature) is your official
> statements for me and for all teh citizens.
> If you as Pontifex says that only 10% of the population is
> pratictioner, this is an official date from an official source
> as "religious magistrate", more than a perosnal opinion.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

>A Proconsul or Propraetor does not have the authority to seek macronational
>incorporation. If the Academa Thules wishes to seek incorporation as a
>sub-corporation of Nova Roma Inc then it needs the approval of the
>Senate of Nova
>Roma.

> Salvete Quirites!
>
> At 01.05 -0400 04-08-06, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
> >A Proconsul or Propraetor does not have the authority to seek

> >incorporation. If the Academa Thules wishes to seek incorporation as a
> >sub-corporation of Nova Roma Inc then it needs the approval of the
> >Senate of Nova
> >Roma.
>
> But neither the Proconsul or the Academia is seeking to be a
> sub-corporation of NR, indeed that is impossible under the Finnish
> law.
>
> In fact the edictum says "Hereby I CONFIRM the registration in of
> "Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova ry" (ry =
> registered organisation) as a Finnish non-profit COMPANY." (My use of
> capitals is only to emphaze the words and not intended as a sign of
> shouting)
>
> This means that there now is a independent company and that I confirm
> its existance.
>
> I hereby ask the two Tribunes to withdraw their intercessio as it
> doesn't have any foundation in reallity.
> --
>
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
> Proconsul Thules
> Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
> Civis Romanus sum
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************************************************
> Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

> Then why issue an edict?

> Then why have it listed on the website? If its not
> official it has no right being labeled as such on the website.

>Salve Censor,
>
>So when did the Senate authorize you to use Nova Roma's trademarks as
>part of what you are now claiming are independant organizations?

>Either you are exceeding your authority as a Proconsul by setting up
>sub-organizations within Nova Roma, or you are violating international
>trademark laws by using Nova Roma's trademarks without permission.

>The only thing open to question is if you are violating Nova Roman law
>or real world international law.

>L. Sicinius Drusus

> Salve Senator!
>
> >Salve Censor,
> >
> >So when did the Senate authorize you to use Nova Roma's trademarks as
> >part of what you are now claiming are independant organizations?
>
> I am not using the trade mark of Nova Roma. End of story!
>
> >Either you are exceeding your authority as a Proconsul by setting up
> >sub-organizations within Nova Roma, or you are violating international
> >trademark laws by using Nova Roma's trademarks without permission.
>
> What are You talking about? Have You lost all feeling for the reality?
>
> >The only thing open to question is if you are violating Nova Roman law
> >or real world international law.
>
> Sic! ;-)
>
> >L. Sicinius Drusus
>
> --
>
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
> Proconsul Thules
> Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
> Civis Romanus sum
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************************************************
> Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

> If this is intended to be a part of Nova Roma setting it up exceeds
> the powers of the governors.

> If this is an independant body and Nova Roma is a state, then

> up an independant regional body of government officals is an act of
> rebellion against the state. This is how the Senate of Antiquita

> have viewed this and they would have dispatched an army to releave

> Pro-magistrates involved in it of their heads.

> If this is an independant body then any use of Nova Roma's

> by this group is a violation of international trademark law. If

> Roma fails to protect it's trademarks then it will lose it's

> them.

> Regardless of the status of the group, setting it up without so

> as dropping a note to the Senate before hand is an act of

> the Senate.

> It dosen't matter if Nova Roma is a state or an international
> organization, setting up regional bodies like this is promoting
> regional factionalism at the cost of Nova Roma's unity, and very

> policy.

> SAlve Senator Drusus,
> what you're saying???? Do you know that you are criticing a good
> project for the organization of local activities? have you read well
> and with very attenction the text?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "FAC" <sacro_barese_impero@l...> wrote:
> Salvete Omnes,
> about a past discussion about the economical and orgnizational
> supports between macronational States preserving the world
> archeological and historical and cultural patrimony...
> This is a good example of close collaboration between two different
> Countries.
>
> The italian article on the bottom says the Italian government will
> send an important economical help to the Turkish administration for
> the restoration of the Temple of Augustus in Ankara.
> The Temple is in bad conditions and Italy, in collaboration with a
> famous italian bank, is organizing an archeological project about
> it. The works will start in 2005 and they will cost 1,7 milions of
> euro.
>
> Valete
> Fr. Apulus Caesar
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> L'ITALIA RESTAURERA' IL TEMPIO DI AUGUSTO DI ANKARA IN TURCHIA
>
> Il progetto realizzato grazie a collaborazione Mae-privati il
> tempio di augusto di Ankara - l'unico al mondo insieme a quello di
> Roma a contenere il testamento del grande imperatore romano -
> tornera' al suo antico splendore.
>
> di Maurizio Pizzuto [CulturalWeb]
>
> Partira' infatti a settembre il progetto esecutivo del recupero del
> prezioso sito archeologico che e' stato reso possibile da una
> collaborazione tra il Ministero degli Esteri italiano e i privati e
> tra universita' italiane e turche.
>
>
> Promotore ed ideatore del progetto e' l'ambasciatore d'Italia in
> Turchia Carlo Marsili che ci stava lavorando da circa vent'anni, da
> quando cioe', giovane diplomatico, aveva scoperto ad Ankara il
> Tempio di Augusto in stato di abbandono. Ritornato in Turchia come
> ambasciatore d'Italia, Marsili ha ritrovato questa testimonianza
> dello splendore della civilta' romana nelle stesse condizioni.
> L'ambasciatore, sulla base di un progetto di recupero realizzato
> dall'Universita' di Ankara e da quella di Trieste, ha sensibilizzato
> il primo ministro turco e il ministro degli Esteri Franco Frattini.
> Il Ministero degli Esteri e' quindi riuscito a risolvere il problema
> principale e cioe' quello del reperimento dei fondi necessari al
> restauro, pari a circa 1,7 milioni di euro. La fondazione Monte dei
> Paschi di Siena e il suo presidente Mussari si sono infatti detti
> disponibili a finanziare l'iniziativa ed il progetto esecutivo, con
> il coordinamento dell'ambasciata italiana, e' stato quindi redatto
> dalle universita' che lo avevano gia' impostato. ''Ora, finalmente -
> ha detto l'ambasciatore Marsili - si parte: i lavori dovrebbero
> infatti cominciare entro l'anno''. Il Tempio di Augusto di Ankara -
> che nel 2001 e' stato inserito nei cento monumenti mondiali da
> salvare - sara' cosi' restituito alla sua antica bellezza.

>--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "FAC" <sacro_barese_impero@l...> wrote:
>> SAlve Senator Drusus,
>> what you're saying???? Do you know that you are criticing a good
>> project for the organization of local activities? have you read well
>> and with very attenction the text?
>
>There is NOTHING good about promoting regionalism at the cost of Nova
>Roma's unity. The Irony of many of the people who claimed a
>non-indexed tax plan was an attack on citizens of other areas
>defending the blatant regionalism in this plan is only exceeded by
>it's hypocrisy.
>
>Drusus

>
> Message: 22
> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2004 00:52:10 -0400
> From: "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@...>
> Subject: Flavius Vedius Germanicus and his eligibility to stand for office
>
> Ex-officio Tribunus Plebis Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
> Romans!
>
> Recently our Consul Gnaeus Equitius Marinus removed Flavius Vedius

>
> There is a Lex, however that would have compelled the Consul to take this

> Flavius Vedius Germanicus himself wrote the Lex Vedia de Curso Honorum
>
> II. No individual may assume the office of one of the ordinarii who has

>
> While the public has been deprived, rightly in my estimation, of Flavius

>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Tribunus Plebs

> Salvete Quirites!
>
> The Nova Roman Rally in Europe is a three year old tradition. Those
> who are interested in real life activities already know that. Nothing
> new is new with the Pactum except that it is an _agreement_ to try to
> be more efficient. There has been no rebellion because of the Rally
> before, if disagreement with the Boni isn't rebellion?
>
> If the European Rally is promoting regionalism, what is then Roman
> Market days in USA? Of course neither is promoting regionalism. You
> are just way out of line in suggesting such a stupid thing.
>
> I am sure that the Populus will obeserve the behavior of the Boni and
> that they will pay for it in the election in November/December.
>
> Once again, whre are the sensible Boni?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, cassius622@a... wrote:
>
> Salvete,
>
> The Collegium Pontificum, convened by Pontifices Gaius Modius
Athanasius and
> L. Sicinius Drusus has approved the following Citizens to
Priesthood
> Positions. I hope that all will welcome them into their new roles
in the Religio
> Romana.
>
> Flavius Galerius Aurelianus (Flamen Cerealis)
> APPROVED (7 Uti Rogas)
>
>
> Lucia Modia Lupa (Sacerdos Diana)
> APPROVED (7 Uti Rogas)
>
> Agrippina Modia Aurelia (Sacerdos Necessitas)
> APPROVED (7 Uti Rogas)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> Salvete Quirites!
>
> The Nova Roman Rally in Europe is a three year old tradition.

> who are interested in real life activities already know that.

> new is new with the Pactum except that it is an _agreement_ to try

> be more efficient. There has been no rebellion because of the

> before, if disagreement with the Boni isn't rebellion?
>
> If the European Rally is promoting regionalism, what is then Roman
> Market days in USA? Of course neither is promoting regionalism.

> are just way out of line in suggesting such a stupid thing.
>
> I am sure that the Populus will obeserve the behavior of the Boni

> that they will pay for it in the election in November/December.
>
> Once again, whre are the sensible Boni?
>
> >--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "FAC"

> >> SAlve Senator Drusus,
> >> what you're saying???? Do you know that you are criticing a

> >> project for the organization of local activities? have you

> >> and with very attenction the text?
> >
> >There is NOTHING good about promoting regionalism at the cost of

> >Roma's unity. The Irony of many of the people who claimed a
> >non-indexed tax plan was an attack on citizens of other areas
> >defending the blatant regionalism in this plan is only exceeded by
> >it's hypocrisy.
> >
> >Drusus
>
> --
>
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
> Proconsul Thules
> Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
> Civis Romanus sum
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************************************************
> Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

> the Academia Thule is indipendent from Nova Roma because there
> aren't laws, rules or senatus consulta recognizing it as an official
> nova roman istitution

>
> - The academia doesn't need the approvation of the Senate because
> the Senate never recognized it as an official istitution and
> Academia is not under the power of the Senate
>

> - the Costitution can't stop a group of single citizens creating a
> private no-profit organization indipendent from NR
>

> - Proconsul Quintilianus is not creating the no-profit organization
> because he haven't the power to do it as nova roman magistrate.
> However he's looking for the existance Academia Thule as a finnish
> macronational no-profit organization and its collaboration its Nova
> Roma Inc. as requested by the Senate.
>

> - Quintilianus is accomplishing his duties because as Proconsul he's
> called by the Senate to manage the Provincia Thule. So as appointed
> rapresentant with imperium he's looking for a collaboration between
> Provincia Thule and a private finnish macronational organization
> (Academia Thule ry). The creation of collaborations with local
> groups is not unconstitutional and it's very useful for the growth
> of Nova Roma.
>

> job of Proconsul Fabius Quintilianus.
>
>

> Well, I have read different opinions during the last months and the
> majority of the people and magistrates suggested the increasement of
> teh local regional provincial activities as the best policy for the
> growth of Nova Roma. This is what the majority of the citizens would.
>

> Julilla Sempronia Magna omnibus SPD
>
> I do
> conclude that mentioning Nova Roma on a web site constitutes
> infringement of trademark or that incorporation of the Academia has
> broken any leges NovaRomani.
>

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Julilla Sempronia Magna"
> <curatrix@v...> wrote:
> > Julilla Sempronia Magna omnibus SPD
> >
> > I do
> > conclude that mentioning Nova Roma on a web site constitutes
> > infringement of trademark or that incorporation of the Academia has
> > broken any leges NovaRomani.
> >
>
> DOH! This should read "I do NOT conclude that mentioning Nova Roma on
> a web site constitutes infringement of trademark." At times my ageing
> eyes do not see what they expect these ancient fingers to have typed.
>
> cura ut valeas,
>
> @____@ IVLI.SEMPRON.MAGN.T.P.
> |||| Julilla Sempronia Magna
> Tribuna Plebis

> Let's have a look at two plans for Nova Roman meetings. First the
> "Boni Plan" I presented earlier this year.

> Nova Roma stages an annual event. In order to give as many citizens
> as possible a chance to attend it would be rotated among regions.

> Now compare that to the plans of Quintilianus and his allies
> Europe will have it's own meetings with ZERO consideration for the
> rest of Nova Roma.

> Quirites, it is the Boni who are intrested in the good of ALL Nova
> Romans, we are the ones who want to be inclusive rather than
> promoting a narrow and selfish regionalism.

> To call the Pactum a rebellion is just Boni
> drivel! Any time someone try to do real life things some Boni oppose.
> Is this possibly because some of them seldom do anything useful
> themself?
>
>

> Let's say I'm in ummm Spain cica 45 BC. I decide to have a
> large gathering of Provincial Praetors of the local area. I appoint
> a magistrate to oversee the operation. I forget to inform
> the Senate. The Senate hears of this. Now how does it look to
> the Senate?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" <hucke@c...> wrote:
>
> > Let's have a look at two plans for Nova Roman meetings. First the
> > "Boni Plan" I presented earlier this year.
>
> As if anything named for your gang of thugs ever has a chance at
> being attended by more than a handful of citizens...
>
> > Nova Roma stages an annual event. In order to give as many citizens
> > as possible a chance to attend it would be rotated among regions.
>
> Fine, go ahead and set it up. While you pursue your pipe dream,
> in the meanwhile, there are gatherings in North America and in Europe
> that alredy have momentum and significant interest among the citizens
> in those regions. Do you really expect them to discontinue a
> successful tradition and buy in to a "Boni Plan"?
>
> > Now compare that to the plans of Quintilianus and his allies
> > Europe will have it's own meetings with ZERO consideration for the
> > rest of Nova Roma.
>
> "Think Globally, Act Locally". Neither the European Rally organizers
> nor the creators of Roman Market Day are going to abandon their
> successful events to pursue your pie-in-the-sky plan.
>
> > Quirites, it is the Boni who are intrested in the good of ALL Nova
> > Romans, we are the ones who want to be inclusive rather than
> > promoting a narrow and selfish regionalism.
>
> Organizing a local event is now defined as "narrow and selfish
> regionalism", according to the Boni. No, better that the rest
> of should all follow the "Boni Plan" (which has never been
> approvied by the Senate and thus has zero legal status) instead
> of trying something that actually has a chance of success.
>
> Stop and think before you post, Drusus. You've now completely
> parted ways with reality.
>
> Octavius.

> There is proceedure to follow, you didn't follow them, and
> worse you lead non Senatorial Governors astray as well.

> And that is why the intercesso and why you should be rebuked
> by the Senate for overstepping your bounds.

> Oh Grow up Octavius.
>
> Of all of the Nova Romans running around with some petty grudges you
> are by far the most childish. At least make some attempt to act your
> age instead of pitching these silly tantrums.

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "John Dobbins" <drusus@b...> wrote:
> > Oh Grow up Octavius.
> >
> > Of all of the Nova Romans running around with some petty grudges you
> > are by far the most childish. At least make some attempt to act your
> > age instead of pitching these silly tantrums.
>
> As usual, your reply has absolutely no substance and does not address
> a single point from the previous message.
>
> So, I must conclude that you cannot defend your absurd notion that
> organizing a local event is "narrow and selfish regionalism".

>
> No, the failed intercessio happened because one of the Tribunes is a
> shameless partisan hack who no longer makes any pretense of trying to
> work within anyone not of his faction. The time limit on a veto is
> three days - did this Tribune try to contact the Proconsul and work
> out a compromise? No, of course not - anything not of the Boni should
> be vetoed as quickly as possible, preferably while the opponent is

>
> I salute the honest Tribunes who put a stop to that hateful and
> destructive act.

> You come out screaming names in your latest temper tantrum, and
> accuse others of having no substance?
>
> That's a hoot, but typical of the childish antics of the hard core
> Boni Haters.

> Marcus Claudius Octavianus,
> That is your SVR name isn't it?

> How does this hate filled tirade square with your desire to "spend my
> time studying Latin and the Roman Religion among people who agree that
> these things are more important than seeking power."?

> Let's have a look at two plans for Nova Roman meetings. First the
> "Boni Plan" I presented earlier this year.

> Nova Roma stages an annual event. In order to give as many citizens
> as possible a chance to attend it would be rotated among regions.

> Now compare that to the plans of Quintilianus and his allies
> Europe will have it's own meetings with ZERO consideration for the
> rest of Nova Roma.

> Quirites, it is the Boni who are intrested in the good of ALL Nova
> Romans, we are the ones who want to be inclusive rather than
> promoting a narrow and selfish regionalism.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" <hucke@c...> wrote:
>
> > You come out screaming names in your latest temper tantrum, and
> > accuse others of having no substance?
> >
> > That's a hoot, but typical of the childish antics of the hard core
> > Boni Haters.
>
> Sort of like fighting fire with fire - childish antics and
> name-calling are, after all, your own modus operandi.
>
> But the citizens who have not yet been corrupted by you have seen
> what's truly going on here: someone had the audacity to try to do
> something positive for this organization, to try to make contact with
> his peers, and the Boni and the Boni Tribune acted swiftly to pull him
> back down into the box of crabs.
>
> I'm going to call a spade a spade. Your little cabal is the most
> hateful and destructive faction in NR politics, ever. You've done
> nothing, produced nothing, and contributed nothing except invective.
>
> Whine all you want about name calling - I think most here will feel
> it's well-deserved.

> Ok....so Thule Academy is not part of NR...JOY! So you are

> How come everything in NR always ends up as some Boni plot.

> Ok....so Thule Academy is not part of NR...JOY! So you are

> How come everything in NR always ends up as some Boni plot.

> One long Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh.
> Are you kicking the floor and turning red in the face too?

> Like you did when you attacked an entire Gens when you had a grudge
> against it's pater? Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i didn't get an e-mail.

> Like when you screwed Maria/Marius over because you had a grudge
> against Formosanus? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh.

> Grow up. At least attempt to be more than the most petty and
> childish of the grudge carrying Boni Bashers.

>
> > How come everything in NR always ends up as some Boni plot.
>
> In this case, it most definitely is... take a look at those who jumped
> all over Caeso because of this: QFM, Drusus, Modius -- hardcore
> "Boni", every one. How could you say this is not a Boni plot?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Matt" <hucke@c...> wrote:
>
> > One long Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh.
> > Are you kicking the floor and turning red in the face too?
>
> No. Are you?
>
> > Like you did when you attacked an entire Gens when you had a grudge
> > against it's pater? Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh i didn't get an e-mail.
>
> In spite of the gross incompetence and malfeasance of my consular
> colleague, I never once kicked the floor or any other inanimate
> object. I did consume a lot of antacids, though.
>
> > Like when you screwed Maria/Marius over because you had a grudge
> > against Formosanus? Waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh.
>
> Marius doesn't think so; we're on quite good terms, as can be shown by
> the SVR thread that you so helpfully pointed out.
>
> > Grow up. At least attempt to be more than the most petty and
> > childish of the grudge carrying Boni Bashers.
>
> As soon as your lot stops engaging in the forwarding of other people's
> private mail, rewriting history, and sending undercover operatives who
> pretend to be impartial mediators in a dispute, I'll stop carrying a
> grudge.

----- Original Message -----
From: "gaiusequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@...>


you decry the cruelties of
> Orthodox "oppression" and turn a blind eye to the other. Do you not
> see an irony here?

No

Flavia Lucilla Merula

> Wow....now I have to travel to Maine or Europe to meet people.
> I guess since the Lacus Magni Gathering has only ever attracted at

>
> Aggripina Modia, please remove the words "The Boni Present" on

>
>
> Marcus Bianchius Antonius
>
> Matt <hucke@c...> wrote:
>
> > Let's have a look at two plans for Nova Roman meetings. First the
> > "Boni Plan" I presented earlier this year.
>
> As if anything named for your gang of thugs ever has a chance at
> being attended by more than a handful of citizens...
>
> > Nova Roma stages an annual event. In order to give as many

> > as possible a chance to attend it would be rotated among regions.
>
> Fine, go ahead and set it up. While you pursue your pipe dream,
> in the meanwhile, there are gatherings in North America and in

> that alredy have momentum and significant interest among the

> in those regions. Do you really expect them to discontinue a
> successful tradition and buy in to a "Boni Plan"?
>
> > Now compare that to the plans of Quintilianus and his allies
> > Europe will have it's own meetings with ZERO consideration for

> WHAT procedure? There is precedent for Propraetores calling for
> cooperation with other propraetores - the Limes cooperation of M.
> Marcius Rex in 2000. No one complained about that at the time.
>
>