F. Galerius Aurelianus S.P.D.

I posted this before I read the Consul's post concerning moderation
and comment directed at Senator Drusus. I communicated to him
privately that I would make no more posts cutting anyone else up on
the ML. However, I too am willing to accept moderation if that be in
the best interests of fairness in Nova Roma.

Valete.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick D. Owen"
<Patrick.Owen@s...> wrote:

> Ave, Senator.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "John Dobbins" <drusus@b...>

wrote:

> > Ave Fuscus,
> >
> > I Don't expect you to understand me. I'm an objectivist,
>
> To Drusus, I agree with this. You object to everything you don't
> like, don't agree with, or don't understand.
>
> while you brag about following the illogical fuzzy world of
> subjectivism on your web site. Quite frankly I don't think you are
> capable of following a logical thought pattern, but this isn't a
> private discussion, there are others who are reading the posts on
> this board and many of them are capable of logical thought.
>
> To Drusus & Fuscus: Some of us are definitely capable of following
> logical thought processes but based on the kind of posts you two

are

> making, your logical thoughts go something like:
>
> Love Is Blind. Stevie Wonder Is Blind. It follows,
> Stevie Wonder Is Love.
> >
> > As for personality, I'm not the one who only got active in Nova

Roma

> > after they gained a bad reputation on the Tollien boards.
>
> To Drusus: Please substantiate this remark with documented

evidence

> by at least three person not affiliated with Nova Roma or the Boni.
> >
> > You spent a great deal of time making claims that Nova Roma is a
> > nation, that it's magistrates have to follow the laws and

procedures

> > of a nation. Now that those procedures aren't convient, all of a
> > sudden Nova Roma has morphed into an international organization.
> > Typical subjectivist rambling bought on by a fuzzy headed world
> view.
>
> To Drusus: I believe this matter has been referred to the Senate

for

> deliberation, Senator, so why are you not in the Senate House
> deliberating instead of being out here irritating?
> >
> > I Have been playing a nasty trick on you people, I have been

holding

> > you to the standards that you have proclaimed. YOU keep calling

Nova

> > Roma a nation, well kid, in a nation a local government official
> can't simply ignore the national government and do as it pleases.
>
> To Drusus: This remark is a bit odd coming from someone who has
> stated that the laws are only made up by a small percentage of Nova
> Romans interested in re-enacting government and we should not

follow

> those laws because it doesn't represent what ALL of Nova Roma wants.
> >
> > By the very standards that YOU spent most of the summer

proclaiming

> > setting up the Collegium without obtaining permission from the
> Senate was an act against the state, and I have been holding you to
> that standard.
>
> Historically, a Collegia was an informal banquet-and-burial society
> formed by working class plebs for the purpose of fraternal
> benefience. By this definition, a collegia would not need to have
> any approval by any arm (or leg) of the Nova Roman government.
> Technically, the Boni are a Collegia within the traditional and
> historical context of such an organization.
> Just a few friends who get together on the list to talk and

socialize.

>
> >
> > You didn't want to accept Nova Roma as a voulantary organization
> where people can do things as they please. In that sort of an
> organization there would be no problem with setting up a Collegium.
> YOU wanted adifferent standard earlier this year, a state where
> people have to blindly follow laws rules, and regulations, and I

have

> been holding you and your friends to your earlier words.
> >
> > L. Sicinius Drusus
>
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
> > <dom.con.fus@f...> wrote:
> > > Druse
> > >
> > > For how low my esteem of your intelligence and tact and

capability

> > of holding a civil discussion is, I cannot believe you really
> cannot undertand the difference betwen a *series* of examples and

the

> point they are aimed to make (and that was also expressely

presented

> at the begining of the mail). If from my post you really can't
> extrapolate anything but that I was saying that the Nova Roma is
> subordinated to the EU, if your meninges are really so vexed,
> > > then I'll make it easier for you and I'll repeat it: the point
> was that regional collaborations are seen as normal things in
> international organizations, be it of states or individuals, and

not

> as something negative as you decided to address it.
>
> To Fuscus: Something must be wrong here. This post actually made
> some kind of sense to me. I better go drink some more until it
> confuses me as I am usually con-fuscus-cated by such posts.
>
> > > > Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
> > > PF Constantinia
> > > Aedilis Urbis
> > >
> Valete.
>
> F. Galerius Aurelianus
> > >
> > > Scrive John Dobbins <drusus@b...>:
> > >
> > > > Ave Fuscus,
> > > >
> > > > So what does the EU have to do with Nova Roma?
> > > >
> > > > What happened to all of those lectures about strictly

following

> every
> > > > law? About how important it was to respect Nova Roma's
> government?
> > > > Last time I looked the Senate was still part of the

government,

> and
> > > > the body that Promagistrates reported to. Did I miss the law
> that
> > > > changed it to Promagistrates reporting to the EU? It's rather
> hard to
> > > > keep up with the changes when the number of laws is

increasing

> faster
> > > > than the number of citizens.
> > > >
> > > > Drusus
> > > >
> > > >

I honestly would not believe that he had done so to intentionally
hurt you. My experience with online and long distance friends may be
short, but I do know from experience that sometimes friends are the
hardest people to tell anything to. Sometimes it is a bit easier to
play along with what a friend is saying, or just listening and being
supportive rather then risk losing a friend. For example when I first
became pagan my best friend was a very devoted christian. I went to
church with her and listened to her talk of her church and her faith,
but never spoke anything of my own. Why? Because I was seriously
afraid that she would turn away from me and not want anything to do
with me. The stress eventually did drive us apart, but we came back
together not just a year ago and actually talked, really talked
honestly for the first time in years, and when I discovered that she
hadn't cared what religion I was, that she had just been hurt that we
werent' spending much time together or talking to each other. It made
the whole thing seem very stupid and childish. But that is how fear
makes us act. Not because we are trying to be secret and
manipulative, and sometimes it causes even more damage then being
upfront. In hindsight it is always easy to say "boy was I dumb I
should have said something", but another when you are at that moment
trying to perserve a friendship.
Same goes for having friends on the opposite ends of any social
group. It is extremly hard on the person in the middle, to like and
spend time with two different kinds of people. Often they are
presented with a situation of you must chose when said friends find
out.."either them or me".
These are things that make an adverage normal human clam up to their
friends. In an ideal world these things would not be an issue.

Lucia Modia Lupa

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Matt Hucke <hucke@c...> wrote:
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius wrote:
>
> > Marcus Octavius Germanicus has said some very harsh things
recently about me.
>
> > I believe the root of his anger towards me is the result of a
conversation he
> > and I had over the phone, something he alluded to on this list.
He and I had
> > a conversation on the phone right before he resigned from his
office as
> > Censor. In the conversation he spoke in detail about his
frustration with several
> > citizens, and his feelings about many of them. I listened, and
let him vent.
> > I did not share with him my affiliation with the Boni, because at
the time I
> > was a new Bonus, and didn’t want to make that an issue.
>
> We had an hour-long conversation, most of which was about the
factions
> here and their history. During all that time, you didn't even hint
that
> you had already pledged allegiance to my enemies.
>
> You could have cut the conversation short at any time; could have
changed
> the subject to something other than politics; could have said that
you
> disagree with my assessment of the character of certain persons
here, were
> working with them, and preferred not to talk about them.
>
> You did none of those things. Instead, you let me reveal a great
deal
> of personal history, and some secrets, to someone I thought I could
trust.
>
> I left the main list a day or two later, and due to Yahoo's usual
poor
> integration the mail didn't stop flowing right away; I saw some of
> what happened next. I saw the person whose cause I had taken up in
an
> argument about "lawsuits" call all non-Boni "c--ksuckers". And
then I
> saw you reveal that you were part of that same hateful group.
>
> I was stunned. This hurt more than anything that had gone on the
previous
> weeks, the events that caused me to resign my offices. I had
encouraged
> you to enter politics when we met in person two years earlier. I
had
> publicly endorsed you for Tribune; and now you were giving aid and
support
> to a faction opposed to everything I've done here.
>
> > We had a lot of fun back then, and now we are enemies on the
list. Why?
> > Because I joined the Boni and didn’t tell him.
>
> Because you manipulated me by withholding this knowledge. In
February,
> when a Nota had been issued against Drusus, you came to me and
suggested
> a compromise that would include removing the Nota. I accepted it
because
> I thought of you as someone with a neutral perspective, not pledged
to
> either faction; as an impartial mediator, and as someone with the
best
> interests of both sides in mind. Now, I look back on that incident
as
> treachery and scheming.
>
> Were you a Boni then? I asked you that directly a month ago, after
a
> vague allusion to this incident in the Senate; you never replied.
>
> > I voted for Octavius and tried to encourage him to remain active
in
> > Nova Roma when he felt discouraged.
>
> But all your other actions have served to support the people who
have
> driven me away.
>
> The Boni first became identifiable as such during my Consulship.
It was
> never an issue of Traditionalists versus Modernists, as they like to
> say. There are no "Modernists" - that's just Boni Pravda.
>
> The split occurred in January of 2002 during a struggle that was
> principally between F. Vedius and L. Equitius about the creation of
> new Senatores and the dismissal of old ones. The supporters of
Vedius
> became the Boni, the supporters of Equitius became the anti-Boni.
> (Ironically, neither of those two is at the core of those factions
> today).
>
> When my colleague and I had a public falling-out in June of that
year,
> over a proposed lex that was intended to change how the Censores
> created Senators (an issue related to the January dispute and
> therefore something we both felt strongly about) the existing
factions
> crystallized around the two of us. We clashed again a month later
about
> gens reform. It was shortly after that that I was invited to one
> factional mailing list, and the "boni_nr" yahoo group was started
> by the opposing side.
>
> It was never "Traditionalists" and "Modernists"; the divide has
always
> been about personalities.
>
> For a friend to join the Boni was therefore a slap in the face.
>
> > I guess I am an idealist. I felt I could make a difference if
*I* were in
> > the Boni. I felt that perhaps *I* could make a difference and
help bring Boni
> > and non-Boni together. I felt that perhaps I could be a bridge
builder
> > between people like Octavius, who I liked and deeply respected,
and people like
> > Drusus and Sulla; who also want what is best for Nova Roma.
>
> Was your action this week that of a bridge builder? Apparently
without
> discussing it with your colleagues, or with the person who proposed
it,
> you vetoed a provincial edict that was intended to promote local
gatherings
> and educational efforts. If there's anything wrong with it, it's
minor
> technical issues about scope and authority, which could have been
easily
> resolved by asking Caeso to make some changes. You had three days
> in which to act before the deadline for a veto arrived. Instead,
you chose
> to "shoot first and ask questions later"; and next the twin attack
dogs
> of the Boni then came out in full force with insane rants about how
> organizing a local gathering is "selfish regionalism".
>
> > M. Octavius Germanicus, if you wish to add me to your list of
enemies then I
> > cannot stop you. If you will accept an olive branch then I will
give it.
>
> It's your actions that will determine that. You've said you want to
> be a "bridge builder"; we'll have to see.
>
> Vale, Octavius.
>
> --
> hucke@c...
> http://www.graveyards.com
>
> Curiosity killed the cat;
> Unspeakable rituals brought it back.

When will I be allowed back on to the Comitia Curiata maling list. I changed my email account and re applied to join the list but it was denied.

Gauis Geminius Germanus

Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com wrote:

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Re: Inter-magistrate communication
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
2. The mails to me
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
3. Re: Inter-magistrate communication
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
4. Re: The Pactum as an agreement
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
5. Re: Re: Collegium Interprovinciale
From: Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
6. Re: Inter-magistrate communication
From: Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
7. Re: To the Citizens of Nova Roma
From: Matt Hucke
8. RE: Events and Gatherings (Was: Re: The Boni Plan)
From: "Chris Duemmel"
9. RE: Re: Intercessio of Edictum Proconsulicium LXVIII
From: "Chris Duemmel"
10. RE: The Veto
From: "Chris Duemmel"
11. Re: Collegium Interprovinciale
From: "John Dobbins"
12. Re: To the Citizens of Nova Roma
From: "John Dobbins"
13. Re: Re: Have our Conscript Fathers & Magistrates taken to brawling in the Forum?
From: Marcus Bianchius Antonius
14. Roman and Celt music article
From: "Jack the Ripper"

15. Re: Why the intercessio against the edidtum and about the Academi...
From: Matt Hucke
16. Re: Re: To the Citizens of Nova Roma
From: Matt Hucke
17. Consular Warning
From: "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus"
18. Re: To the Citizens of Nova Roma
From: "John Dobbins"
19. The Rebellion in Thule and Nichomachus
From: "gaiusequitiuscato"
20. Re: The Rebellion in Thule and Nichomachus
From: "John Dobbins"
21. Re: The Rebellion in Thule and Nichomachus
From: "gaiusequitiuscato"
22. Re: Re: Collegium Interprovinciale
From: Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
23. Re: Consular Warning
From: Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
24. Re: The Rebellion in Thule and Nichomachus
From: "John Dobbins"
25. Re: Consular Warning
From: "John Dobbins"


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:00:58 +0200
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Subject: Re: Inter-magistrate communication

Salve Amice!

I am still sitting in my pyamas 5 hours after getting up. I just have
write to You and say that I unfortunately haven't recieved any mail
from You. I am begining to be suspsious, can it have been send to
some of my obsure mailboxes in Eudora. I have searched from any mail
from Tribune Modius and not found any. I will look for your mail too.

I have sent a mail to You some month ago and haven't recieved any
answer. Maybe some of us have too much to do (both privately and
officiall) and as the flood of spams and important mails continue to
flow over all borders, the routine mails also flow in aboundance. I
will draw the correct conclusion from this and try to cut down on my
duies in a responsible way.

I appreciate your resonable tone as i have said publicly before and
hope that we can build a better climate in Nova Roma together with
those who still remember what Nova Roma is meant to be.

We have had a friendship ever since You joined Nova Roma. I know that
I don't have the time to take care of it as I should, but I hope that
You still know that we have basic possibility to talk and that I care.

>G. Iulius Scaurus T. Octavio Pio salutem dicit.
>
>Salve, Pii.
>
>This seems to be my day for correcting the record. I did not write to
>Quintilianus at the request of Maximus (I mentioned in correspondence to
>Maximus that I had written Quintilianus, when I was trying to explain
>that, while the edictum was inapt, the Collegium Interprovincale was an
>excellent idea and should be supported, which is perhaps the source of
>the confusion). I wrote a private email to Quintilianus at the same
>time as my first posting on the subject to the ML. It was long after
>the intercessio was pronounced, since I have been buried in grading
>exams and not paying much attention to the ML. Since I was informed by
>Marinus that the pactum will be submitted to the senate and received a
>reply on the ML from Quintilianus, I understand perfectly why he didn't
>reply to the private email: the matter was settled.
>
>Perhaps if teaching duties hadn't kept me offline, I could have headed
>some of this brouhaha off, since certainly the aediles have known about
>the pactum for some time and support it as a necessary means of
>coordinating regional events.
>
>I confess that I am not particularly happy at the implications of more
>formally separating the Academia Thules from NR. If anything, I would
>rather see it become the official educational isntitution of NR. I
>understand that it has always been in sense a separate as a provincial
>institution, but if there were a way to overcome the Finnish legal
>difficulties to make it a subordinate entity of NR, Inc., I think it
>would better serve the republic as the foundation for NR's educational
>programme generally.
>
>Vale.
>
>Scaurus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness


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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:34:51 +0200
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Subject: The mails to me

Salvete Quirites!

It seem that most of the mails that I didn't get were never sent to
me and only exist in the imagination of some.

I haven't recieved any mail from Senator Maximus and I really doubt
that they ever were sent. If the Sentor still has the mail I would
like him to send a _copy_ (not re-send it) to me privately and I will
acknowledge the reception publicly (I will not pubish the mail
itself). I avoid any communication with Senator Maximus as I find his
private and public mails to lack politness and humbleness.
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness


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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:35:40 +0200
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Subject: Re: Inter-magistrate communication

Salve Tribune and Amice!

>Gaius Modius Athanasius Tito Octavio Pio salutem dicit
>
>I never sent an e-mail to the Proconsul.

That was what I thought.

>I stated that I had been e-mailing
>him and have been waiting some weeks for a response.

Well as I have said before I thought it need no answer. But I have
answered now and also added some thoughts that I hope will carry us
forward and give us a chance to work closer together than before. But
this is for our eyes only.

>Whats done is done. I have revoked my intercessio,

Yes and I am grateful that You did so.

>the matter is being
>discussed in the senate.

Yes the Pactum will be discussed.

>Vale;
>
>Gaius Modius Athanasius

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness


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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 12:47:29 +0200
From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Subject: Re: The Pactum as an agreement

Salve Illustris Aedile and Amice!

I have created the Pactum I just signed it. I never occured to me
that it was my duty to take it to the Senate. In any normal
organisation such an agreement would be embaced with happiness, but I
forgot that in Nova roma _nothing_ is normal or easy. Here we always
have those who want to kill every creative project how harmless it is.

I do not mean Tribune Modius wiyth this, I have started a discussion
with him and hope to find new ways to keep in touch when problems
arise.

AS usual I appreciate constractive contacts and work. Thank You!

>G. Iulius Scaurus C. Fabio Quintiliano salutem dicit.
>
>Salve, Quintiliane.
>
>I think that a reasonable solution to the current dilemma would be for
>the pro-magistrates who have created the Pactum to ask the consuls to
>submit it for approval as a Senatus Consultum. I agree that a structure
>to facilitate European NR rallies is a very good thing and as Aedilis
>Curulis have been very supportive of this idea and hopeful that
>pro-magistrates elsewhere would cooperate to establish regular
>face-to-face meetings. However, I also think that it is best that such
>agreements be officially recognised and sanctioned by the Senate since
>liability arising from such events will adhere to the corporation,
>regardless of how the planning of the event is organised.
>
>Vale.
>
>Scaurus

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness


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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 13:54:27 +0200
From: Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
Subject: Re: Re: Collegium Interprovinciale

Druse

For how low my esteem of your intelligence and tact and capability of holding a
civil discussion is, I cannot believe you really cannot undertand the
difference betwen a *series* of examples and the point they are aimed to make
(and that was also expressely presented at the begining of the mail).

If from my post you really can't extrapolate anything but that I was saying that
the Nova Roma is subordinated to the EU, if your meninges are really so vexed,
then I'll make it easier for you and I'll repeat it: the point was that
regional collaborations are seen as normal things in international
organizations, be it of states or individuals, and not as something negative as
you decided to address it.


Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
PF Constantinia
Aedilis Urbis



Scrive John Dobbins :

> Ave Fuscus,
>
> So what does the EU have to do with Nova Roma?
>
> What happened to all of those lectures about strictly following every
> law? About how important it was to respect Nova Roma's government?
> Last time I looked the Senate was still part of the government, and
> the body that Promagistrates reported to. Did I miss the law that
> changed it to Promagistrates reporting to the EU? It's rather hard to
> keep up with the changes when the number of laws is increasing faster
> than the number of citizens.
>
> Drusus
>
>

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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 14:46:50 +0200
From: Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
Subject: Re: Inter-magistrate communication


Ave

Scrive AthanasiosofSpfd@...:

> Whats done is done. I have revoked my intercessio, the matter is being
> discussed in the senate.

To be precise, you had three other tribunes (Julilla, Apulus and Faustus)
counter-intercessing you so is not like you did some kind of show of grace by
"revoking" an act that had been already made null and void by the majority of
your collegues, you just were forced to bow in front of the other tribunes'
decisionand tried to save the appearances.

Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
PF Constantinia
Aedilis Urbis




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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 07:51:36 -0500 (CDT)
From: Matt Hucke
Subject: Re: To the Citizens of Nova Roma


Gaius Modius Athanasius wrote:

> Marcus Octavius Germanicus has said some very harsh things recently about me.

> I believe the root of his anger towards me is the result of a conversation he
> and I had over the phone, something he alluded to on this list. He and I had
> a conversation on the phone right before he resigned from his office as
> Censor. In the conversation he spoke in detail about his frustration with several
> citizens, and his feelings about many of them. I listened, and let him vent.
> I did not share with him my affiliation with the Boni, because at the time I
> was a new Bonus, and didn���t want to make that an issue.

We had an hour-long conversation, most of which was about the factions
here and their history. During all that time, you didn't even hint that
you had already pledged allegiance to my enemies.

You could have cut the conversation short at any time; could have changed
the subject to something other than politics; could have said that you
disagree with my assessment of the character of certain persons here, were
working with them, and preferred not to talk about them.

You did none of those things. Instead, you let me reveal a great deal
of personal history, and some secrets, to someone I thought I could trust.

I left the main list a day or two later, and due to Yahoo's usual poor
integration the mail didn't stop flowing right away; I saw some of
what happened next. I saw the person whose cause I had taken up in an
argument about "lawsuits" call all non-Boni "c--ksuckers". And then I
saw you reveal that you were part of that same hateful group.

I was stunned. This hurt more than anything that had gone on the previous
weeks, the events that caused me to resign my offices. I had encouraged
you to enter politics when we met in person two years earlier. I had
publicly endorsed you for Tribune; and now you were giving aid and support
to a faction opposed to everything I've done here.

> We had a lot of fun back then, and now we are enemies on the list. Why?
> Because I joined the Boni and didn���t tell him.

Because you manipulated me by withholding this knowledge. In February,
when a Nota had been issued against Drusus, you came to me and suggested
a compromise that would include removing the Nota. I accepted it because
I thought of you as someone with a neutral perspective, not pledged to
either faction; as an impartial mediator, and as someone with the best
interests of both sides in mind. Now, I look back on that incident as
treachery and scheming.

Were you a Boni then? I asked you that directly a month ago, after a
vague allusion to this incident in the Senate; you never replied.

> I voted for Octavius and tried to encourage him to remain active in
> Nova Roma when he felt discouraged.

But all your other actions have served to support the people who have
driven me away.

The Boni first became identifiable as such during my Consulship. It was
never an issue of Traditionalists versus Modernists, as they like to
say. There are no "Modernists" - that's just Boni Pravda.

The split occurred in January of 2002 during a struggle that was
principally between F. Vedius and L. Equitius about the creation of
new Senatores and the dismissal of old ones. The supporters of Vedius
became the Boni, the supporters of Equitius became the anti-Boni.
(Ironically, neither of those two is at the core of those factions
today).

When my colleague and I had a public falling-out in June of that year,
over a proposed lex that was intended to change how the Censores
created Senators (an issue related to the January dispute and
therefore something we both felt strongly about) the existing factions
crystallized around the two of us. We clashed again a month later about
gens reform. It was shortly after that that I was invited to one
factional mailing list, and the "boni_nr" yahoo group was started
by the opposing side.

It was never "Traditionalists" and "Modernists"; the divide has always
been about personalities.

For a friend to join the Boni was therefore a slap in the face.

> I guess I am an idealist. I felt I could make a difference if *I* were in
> the Boni. I felt that perhaps *I* could make a difference and help bring Boni
> and non-Boni together. I felt that perhaps I could be a bridge builder
> between people like Octavius, who I liked and deeply respected, and people like
> Drusus and Sulla; who also want what is best for Nova Roma.

Was your action this week that of a bridge builder? Apparently without
discussing it with your colleagues, or with the person who proposed it,
you vetoed a provincial edict that was intended to promote local gatherings
and educational efforts. If there's anything wrong with it, it's minor
technical issues about scope and authority, which could have been easily
resolved by asking Caeso to make some changes. You had three days
in which to act before the deadline for a veto arrived. Instead, you chose
to "shoot first and ask questions later"; and next the twin attack dogs
of the Boni then came out in full force with insane rants about how
organizing a local gathering is "selfish regionalism".

> M. Octavius Germanicus, if you wish to add me to your list of enemies then I
> cannot stop you. If you will accept an olive branch then I will give it.

It's your actions that will determine that. You've said you want to
be a "bridge builder"; we'll have to see.

Vale, Octavius.

--
hucke@...
http://www.graveyards.com

Curiosity killed the cat;
Unspeakable rituals brought it back.


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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 08:57:09 -0400
From: "Chris Duemmel"
Subject: RE: Events and Gatherings (Was: Re: The Boni Plan)

Salve,

IMHO, All large things must start small (unless it's making a fortune in the
aviation industry, where the reverse is true...) Many organizations started

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From http://www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/trlout/TRA22669.html (the original
article has all sorts of cool pictures and links; seems like a terrific
time to be in Britannia; lots going on there!)

Boudicca is one of Britain’s greatest heroines, a freedom fighter who
rebelled against the Roman government. Her rebellion was the only viable
challenge to the supremacy of the Romans who, until the fifth century,
exercised a distinct influence over Britain and its heritage.

Despite the fact that it took place almost 2000 years ago evidence of
this mighty rebellion can still be found; from the remains of an Iceni
settlement on the outskirts of Thetford to the Snettisham Hoard on show
at Norwich Castle Museum.

The Roman Conquest of Britain began in AD43. It was a time when Britain
was split into tribes, one of which was the Iceni of East Anglia - their
capital was Thetford.

Today all that remains of the Iceni in Thetford is Boudicca’s 'palace'
on the northern outskirts of the town. Uncovered by archaeologists, the
Fison Way site is now believed to be Boudicca’s holy place rather than
her palace but it still reveals how significant the area was for the Iceni.

On show at Theford Ancient House Museum
<http://www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/museum_gfx_en/SE000116.html> is a
collection of lost military fittings believed to be evidence of the
Roman reprisals against the Boudiccan revolt.

Copies of the Thetford Treasure, a hoard of gold jewellery and silver
spoons dating back to AD370 are also on display. The originals are
housed at the British Museum
<http://www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/museum_gfx_en/SE000073.html>.

In the early years, the Iceni were a client kingdom, one of the few
tribes the Roman administration allowed to keep their lands and govern
themselves. Essentially Roman collaborators, it was not until the death
of Boudicca’s husband, King Prasutagus, in AD60 that the Iceni faced
Roman rule.

Prasutagus left a will in which he promised half the Iceni kingdom to
his widow, Boudicca, and half to the Romans. But the will was ignored
and the Romans decided to seize the throne. They sacked Thetford,
publicly whipped Queen Boudicca and raped her two young daughters.

Seeking revenge for her people, her family and all oppressed Britons,
this proud warrior Queen led a revolt against the Romans.

First they marched on Camulodunum, modern-day Colchester and the Roman
capital. Joined by the Trinovantes of Essex, Boudicca’s army numbered
some 100,000 men, women and children.

The rebels took Colchester by storm, looting, ransacking and torching
the city. It is said that if you dig anywhere in Colchester today there
is a thick layer of red soot from the time when Boudicca set the city on
fire. If you ask nicely in the George Hotel, 116 High Street they might
let you have a look in their basement where a glass pane reveals a hole
showing the distinctive burnt red clay.

This archaeological layer is known as Boudicca’s Destruction Horizon and
Paul Sealey, Assistant Curator of Archaeology at Colchester Castle
Museum and author of the Boudiccan Revolt Against Rome, told the 24 Hour
Museum it is filled with burnt artifacts from the period, like the
charred pottery which is on show at the museum.

Colchester Castle Museum
<http://www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/museum_gfx_en/SE000071.html> is built on
the foundations of the Roman Temple of Claudius. "The temple was one of
the causes of the revolt, according to Tacitus," says Paul. "The local
native population regarded it as a citadel of everlasting tyranny." So
how fitting it should mark the site of the last stand of the Roman
population of Colchester.

To escape the burning town, the Romans hid in the temple’s vaults. These
still survive beneath the medieval castle and visitors to the museum can
explore them on a guided tour. There is also an audio-visual exhibit
explaining why Boudicca burnt the city to the ground.

Not only that but the museum boasts arguably the finest and most
extensive collection in the world representative of Roman Britain.

Among the highlights on show are two Roman military tombstones. When
they were discovered they were broken in two and found face down in the
ground. Paul Sealey believes this happened at the time of the revolt and
some recent finds at a London cemetery bear out his theories that the
desecration of sacred burial grounds was a feature of Boudicca’s rebellion.

After their success in Colchester the rebel army marched south to
Londinium, a Roman boom town 2000 years ago.

The Roman army had no presence in London at the time as all their
soldiers were engaged elsewhere and much of the population had been
evacuated so it was an easy target for Boudicca’s army. They set fire to
the city and butchered everyone in it.

Like Colchester the main evidence for Boudicca’s revolt in London is the
presence of a charred archaeological layer. But the Museum of London
<http://www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/museum_gfx_en/SE000048.html> boasts more
gruesome finds.

The Britons were a fierce and undisciplined army who liked to keep
trophies from their victims. At the time it was common to decapitate the
enemy and keep their heads. It is thought that the Walbrook Skulls
<http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/MOLsite/exhibits/changing_faces/mac/mac1.htm>,
part of the museum’s collection, on display in the Roman Gallery, might
be the heads of Londoners massacred by Queen Boudicca.

The Museum of London has a permanent exhibition on Roman Londinium. It
was the Romans who first built a city where London stands today. They
bridged the River Thames and constructed a road network to connect the
city with the rest of England. London’s Edgware Road started life as one
of the main Roman roads, Watling Street.

If you’re more interested in finding out about the Iceni than the
Romans, there is a reconstruction of an Iceni Village
<http://www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/museum_gfx_en/AM22681.html> in Cockley
Cley, Norfolk, recreating the life of the Iceni in Roman Britain.

At Castle Acre
<http://www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/museum_gfx_en/AM11482.html> in Norfolk
on August 14 and 15 English Heritage are encouraging visitors to Meet
Boudicca’s People, a family event about what life would have been like
in Celtic times.

After their victory in London Boudicca’s army headed north on the hunt
for the remaining Roman legions.

The rebel army was on a roll, they had taken two important Roman towns
with relative ease and, 20 miles from London, they took their third
Roman stronghold, Verulamium. Today called St Albans, Verulamium,
founded in AD50, was a wealthy provincial town and the third largest
settlement in Roman Britain.

Built on the site of the town, Verulamium Museum
<http://www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/museum_gfx_en/SE000364.html> is the best
place to get an insight into what everyday life would have been like in
Roman Britain. There are recreations of Roman rooms, an impressive Roman
and Iron Age archaeological collection of national and international
significance including, among other treasures, weapons and armour of the
period.

A suit of Iron Age chain mail buried with the chieftain of the local
Catuvellauni tribe and Iorica Segmentata (Roman segmented plate armour)
as well as a Roman dagger and helmet are some of the highlights.

It is believed the two armies finally came face to face somewhere north
of St Albans. The Roman historian Tacitus gives a precise description of
the valley but fails to mention where it is and the exact site is still
a matter of debate today – speculations on where the battlefield is
located range from somewhere in the Midlands to somewhere in Surrey!

What is known is that Boudicca’s army had swelled to a massive 230,000
so the Roman soldiers were outnumbered by about 20 to one. Surely the
rebels couldn’t lose, especially with their secret weapon, the chariot.

Norwich Castle Museum and Art Gallery
<http://www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/museum_gfx_en/SE000101.html> in Norfolk
boasts a brand new archaeology gallery called the Boudiccca Gallery
which tells the story of Boudicca through the eyes of the Iceni.

On show is a life-sized copy of an Iron Age wicker chariot. Brave
visitors can take the reins and relive the Iceni’s historic attacks on
Colchester and London through an interactive video display.

But the chariot was not enough on its own to give Boudicca’s army the
upper hand against disciplined Roman soldiers and their superior firepower.

The Romans had barbed javelins and scorpios - mechanized field artillery
able to throw a bolt (a chunky arrow) at a rate of three or four a
minute. This was no mean feat at the time but rather pathetic when
compared to the weapons our armies boast today, some of which are
capable of firing 7,000 rounds a minute. Could these trained soldiers
triumph against the odds?

In contrast to the disciplined, well-trained soldiers of the Roman army,
Boudicca’s rebels were a disorganized rabble including women and
children, armed with swords, spears and knives. Their disorganization
was to be their undoing.

Using their wedge formation the Roman army were able to crush the
Britons at the front and their very numbers meant their own army crushed
them from behind. With no room to manoeuvre, the Britons were defeated
in one of the bloodiest massacres seen on British soil.

The Romans killed women, children and babies as well as the Iceni
warriors. Tacitus reports that the Roman army lost 400 men while some
80,000 Britons were killed that day, making it one of the greatest
tragedies in human history.

On August 7 and 8 at Stoneleigh Park, Coventry
<http://www.stoneleighpark.co.uk>, English Heritage
<http://www.english-heritage.org.uk> are hosting a massive event called
The Festival of History
<http://www.english-heritage.org.uk/festivalofhistory/>. Large scale
arena events will include a re-enactment of the Iceni’s final bloody
battle against the Romans, set up in conjunction with the BBC series
Battlefield Britain.

On August 14 at 2pm the Battlefields Trust
<http://www.battlefieldstrust.com> is putting on a special Battlefield
Walk all about Boudicca's Last Battle. Led by Martin Marix Evans, it is
around two miles long on public footpaths, over fields. There will be
provision for car parking on the parish field and a contribution to
parish funds is requested.

It is unclear what happened to Boudicca after the battle. Some say she
poisoned herself, others that she fell ill. If rumours, started in 1937
by the expert of mythology and Celtic folklore Lewis Spence, are to be
believed her body lies buried under platform 9 at King’s Cross station!
Find out what Jane Sarre, Access and Learning Officer at the Museum of
London, thinks about this local legend
<http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/MOLsite/learning/features_facts/roman_london_7.html>.


Following the defeat of the rebel army the Romans erected forts across
the UK to keep the barbarians at bay. It was a show of strength that
revealed how determined they were not to be challenged again.

Lunt Roman Fort
<http://www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/museum_gfx_en/WM000059.html> established
in 64AD following the Boudiccan rebellion, houses the Museum of Roman
Military Life. A partial reconstruction of the fort stands on the site
today as well as evidence of the original fortifications.

Another good place to find out about what made the Romans such a
formidable force is the Roman Legionary Museum
<http://www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/museum_gfx_en/WA000086.html> in
Caerleon. The 2nd Augustan Legion were based here but their only link
with Boudicca’s revolt is that they famously and steadfastly refused to
help the besieged Roman Britons at the height of the revolt! However on
show are original and replica armour and weapons including daggers and
javelins.

In a message dated 8/7/04 8:45:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
mlcinnyc@... writes:

> So, the Interprovincial Collegium matter is going before the
> Senate. The veto was overruled AND revoked. Woohoo! Now, can we
> get back to what were we fighting about before that, please?
>
>

It was not over ruled, the Tribunes were tied. So the intercessio was moot,
and the situation reverted back to the status quo. And you are correct, this
edictium should have gone to the Senate first.

And I have a question for you, which I'll ask off list.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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> >
>
> Q F MaximusIt was not over ruled, the Tribunes were tied.

Salvete;
Tied? L. Arminius Faustus, Fr. Apulus Caesar and Julilla Sempronia
Magna
overuled the veto

vale
M. Arminia Maior Fabiana

Salvete Qvirites! As someone who has always looked at
and practiced Romanitas from a "traditional" point of
view, should not the NR publication "The Eagle" be
better known for all our Romani by its Latin name of
"AQVILA?!" For that is exactly what its Latin version
implies. There may indeed to some be an appeal for
using an English name, but are we not all Romani?!
As the editor and publisher of my own
journal dealing with Religio Romana I certainly did
not have using an English translation in mind when I
began publishing "Pax Deorvm" (The Peace of The Gods)
many years ago! Anyway this is just a proposal or
suggestion on my part, and my support for "Latin" and
its use within Nova Roma! Valete! Frater GAIVS IVLIVS
IVLIANVS, Senior Paterfamilias Gentis Ivliae, Flamen Floralis



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Salve, Q. Fabius Maximus.

If three tribunes vetoed an intercessio that two tribunes issued. That is
not a tie, that is a veto. Also, one Tribune revoked his intercessio which
would make it three vetoes to one intercessio. I believe that would make the
intercessio vetoed not tied. At least from where this Plebeian is sitting. This
just isn't your weekend for getting things correct, Senator.

Aurelianus


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Sorry....how is Nick doing these days?
If you march those happy legions toward Lacus Magni, I will roll over them with the mighty (yet very inactive) Legio X and has been forming here for awhile now.
Now if you will excuse me, I must be of to hand out that door prize.

Marcus Bianchius Antonius

gaiusequitiuscato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:


Marcus Bianchius Antonius, I'll thank you to refer to my horse by
his name, Nichomachus ("Nick" for short). And if you offer to give
him away as a door prize again without at least getting the
permission of the Senate, I'll advise Fabius Maximus to wheel the
Mighty Legions in your direction.


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PRIESTHOOD OATH

I, Lucia Modia Lupa (Samantha Frye) do hereby solemnly swear to
uphold the honor of the Religio Romana in Nova Roma, and to act
always in the best interests of the Roman Gods, the Religio Romana,
and the Senate and People of Nova Roma.

I, Lucia Modia Lupa (Samantha Frye) as a member of the Priesthood,
swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion
of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its
status as the State Religion. I swear to serve the Roman Gods to the
best of my ability in both public and private life, and to pursue the
Roman virtues as an integral part of my Priesthood.

I, Lucia Modia Lupa (Samantha Frye), swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Lucia Modia Lupa (Samantha Frye) further swear to fulfill the
obligations and responsibilities of the office of Sacerdos Diana to
the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Sacerdos Diana and all the rights,
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.


Lucia Modia Lupa

Salvete Quirites!

I hereby endorse Honorable Quintus Cassius Calvus as Curator Araneum.
He has made the best possible impression on me as my Scriba Censoris.
He works hard, always does his duty with a, in Nova Roma, very seldom
seen politeness and with kind humor. Honorable Quintus Cassius Calvus
is the only candidate, but I am surethat he still is one of the
absolutly best for any magistrate in Nova Roma. I wish him good luck!
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Salvete, quirites.

Election times, and I take his opportunity to endorse Pompeia Minucia
Tiberia Strabo for the office of praetor. My reasons are many and
varied, but chief among them is the fact that she has, with great
success, moderated the list before.

Here's a note regarding her qualifications, as some of the newer
citizens may not be familiar with a term:

pompeia_minucia_tiberia wrote:

> My past experience in NR also includes:
> Scriba Curatrix Sermonen (List Moderator) P. Vedia Serena 2001

She was scriba to a curatrix sermonen, an office which existed to, as
she says, provide list moderation. When the office was removed, and its
duties transferred to the praetors, she was one of the first pair
elected to fulfill those duties.

Which she did, until at one point she was out of touch for a few days,
and a flame war erupted on the list. When she got back, she felt she
couldn't, in good conscience, stay in office after not having been there
to stop it, so she resigned. Not after the first month or even halfway
through her time in office, but in the very last month thereof.

I disagreed with her having to extract such penance of herself, but I
can understand why she felt the need. And I will not hold it against
her, as she has since held various appointed offices and performed her
duties, as I am given to understand, quite admirably.

She is a hard worker, with vast experience in various fields of Nova
Roma, and even if Laenas is a good and deliberate person, I find her the
preferrable alternative for the position. She has held it before, so she
would not have to learn the office before assuming the duties thereof.
And her experience really does speak for itself.

Valete, Titus Octavius Pius.

---Salvete Julilla Tribuna et Omnes:

Although I tend to confine my 'me too' posts, I must echo your words
in the acknowledgement of Marcus Octavius and all he has done for
NR. I too, was saddened by his resignation, but I am not alien to
the reasons which influenced him. All we can do is endeavor to
learn by our actions, and resolve not to allow orchestrated
dialogues and circumstances influence them.

I am truly sorry we had disagreements in the past; hindsight is
20/20..we both know that now, and we are at peace.... and I am sure
both of us are all the wiser, and well, likely a bit stronger too.

Po


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Julilla Sempronia Magna"
<curatrix@v...> wrote:

> Julilla Sempronia Magna Marco Octavio Germanico omnibusque SPD
>
> I wish to take a moment your time to express my heartfelt delight

to

> see this excellent man in the Forum once again. I was severely
> discouraged when he stepped down as Censor, for I have always

found

> him to be a pillar of NovaRomani society: hardworking, dedicated,
> fair-minded, the very epitome of Romanitas.
>
> ---
> cura ut valeas,
> @____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
> |||| www.villaivlilla.com/
> @____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
> |||| . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> Factio Praesina
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factiopraesina/

P.Minius Albucius Gaio Iulio Iuliano s.d.,

S.V.G.E.R.

I would not say that you had a great idea, because I would then lack of modesty : for I had the same thought! I do think that "Aquila" would be a great name for our Eagle, and how far much sounding ! I was intending to write to Honorable Curator Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens on this subject. I therefore put him a copy of this post.

Thank you for your posting, and let us wait to see what our Curator thinks about it.

Vale.


Scr. Cadomago, Gallia, a.d. VI Id. Sextiles MMDCCLVII a.u.c.

P.Minius Albucius
Scr. Propraetoris

----- Original Message -----
From: GAIVS IVLIANVS
To: nova-roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 4:25 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] "The Eagle" a new name proposal


Salvete Qvirites! As someone who has always looked at
and practiced Romanitas from a "traditional" point of
view, should not the NR publication "The Eagle" be
better known for all our Romani by its Latin name of
"AQVILA?!" For that is exactly what its Latin version
implies. There may indeed to some be an appeal for
using an English name, but are we not all Romani?!
As the editor and publisher of my own
journal dealing with Religio Romana I certainly did
not have using an English translation in mind when I
began publishing "Pax Deorvm" (The Peace of The Gods)
many years ago! Anyway this is just a proposal or
suggestion on my part, and my support for "Latin" and
its use within Nova Roma! Valete! Frater GAIVS IVLIVS
IVLIANVS, Senior Paterfamilias Gentis Ivliae, Flamen Floralis



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Salve
I recently visited the websites of both Gaius Modius Athanasius and Marcus Octavius Germanicus, both these sites describe very interesting people with full lives. I would be honored to meet both of them in person. Isn't odd what politics, misperceptions and anger can do.Normal people with lives that do not have to involve Nova Roma at all. I read once the nastiest sort of politics was the politics that involved very little.( I am not saying I immune to it, only that I find it odd how it can affect people, maybe disturbing is a better word)

Vale;
Tiberius Arcanus Agricola
mikeabboud@...


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Perhaps we could set up a game of Risk, winner take all.

Vale;
Tiberius Arcanus Agricola
mikeabboud@...

----- Original Message -----
From: gaiusequitiuscato
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 8:03 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] The Rebellion in Thule and Nichomachus


G. Equitius Cato quirites S.P.D.

Salvete, omnes.

Fabius Maximus, I suggested that IF you and Drusus and Athanasius
really think our Censor Fabius Quintilianus is in rebellion, you
take a couple of our crack Legions over and attend to it. Now,
Drusus is engaged in a equipment-size ("you're stupid" "no, YOU'RE
stupid" "no, really, you're VERY stupid" "no, you're the very
MOST stupidest", etc.) dispute with Octavius Germanicus, and
Athanasius has withdrawn his already-overruled veto, so you stand
alone. Remember, only the Senate can appoint generals and dispatch
the Mighty Legions of Nova Roma, so make sure you ask permission
first. Otherwise, a Senator running around with Legions (crack or
no) may raise some eyebrows as to just who is actually in
rebellion :-)

Marcus Bianchius Antonius, I'll thank you to refer to my horse by
his name, Nichomachus ("Nick" for short). And if you offer to give
him away as a door prize again without at least getting the
permission of the Senate, I'll advise Fabius Maximus to wheel the
Mighty Legions in your direction.

So, the Interprovincial Collegium matter is going before the
Senate. The veto was overruled AND revoked. Woohoo! Now, can we
get back to what were we fighting about before that, please?

valete,

Cato
Boni delendi sunt




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Gaius Modius Athanasius S.P.D.

There seems to be a common theme in Nova Roma; conflict. Anyone who has
been involved in leadership within Nova Roma knows that it is a roller-coaster
ride of emotions and opinions, and it can be very frustrating.

I have been frustrated as a new citizen, a trying to get active citizen, and
as a NR priest, and magistrate. If we are not careful, we might end up
loosing what we have built up. We might loose it due to fighting and politics.

I am a Bonus, in that I have affiliated with a traditionally conservative
group in Nova Roma. However, I am not a partisan hack. I want what is best for
Nova Roma, and AM willing to work with all sides of the Nova Roma spectrum to
make our Republic even better than what it is now.

I have been called an ayatolloh, and a radical fundamentalist by some, I am
neither of these things and much more tolerant of non-Religio practitioners
than some may agree with.

I have decided to create a new e-mail list in Nova Roma:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PeaceNR/

This list is specifically designed for senators, magistrates, priests, and
very active citizens who can come together from the various factions and attempt
to dialogue to work out their differences, and build some common ground. The
goal is to build bridges, and not to tear them down.

Some of the basic rules of the list:
-- you can speak freely, and say what is on your mind.
-- you will not be moderated for sharing your thougths.
-- however, no one will be allowed to insult another. The list is for honest
dialogue, not personal attacks. People are encouraged to be honest, but not
rude or hostile.
-- there will be no moderation. You break the rules you will be removed from
the list, but will be allowed to rejoin.
-- once the list is established, and the initial group is formed all new
members to the list will have to be approved by the rest of the members of the
list. Dialogue has to be open, with people willing to share in the dialogue.
-- once there is a lasting peace in Nova Roma, and Concordia and Harmony
become the norm over a sustained period of time, then this list will be disolved.

The list is not for the curious, it is designed for dialogue between people
on both ends of the political spectrum of Nova Roma.

I acknowledge that I could have made stronger efforts towards unity, and that
I did not communicate with others as effectively as I should have.
Hopefully, we can move forward and build a better future.

Valete;

Gaius Modius Athanasius


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Salvete omnes;
perhaps it is me, but I thought voting for all the Centuries
started last night 12pm Rome time; which is 7pm EST in the U.S. Can
someone correct me if I am wrong and if not, make an announcement
please.
bene valete
M. Arminia Maior Fabiana

Maior wrote:

>perhaps it is me, but I thought voting for all the Centuries
>started last night 12pm Rome time; which is 7pm EST in the U.S. Can
>someone correct me if I am wrong and if not, make an announcement
>please.
>
>

Salve, M. Arminia Maior Fabiana.

One minute past midnight, early saturday morning, roman time.

I've almost given up on timezones, as when you mix it with Daylight
Saving Time, I'm completely befuddled. Usually roman time is one hour
off GMT, but sometimes, it would appear, it isn't. Different dates for
switching to DST is not, in my opinion, a terribly bright idea. No pun
intended.

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.

Salve Amice!

A very good initiative that I fully support. This is what the mail
list should be! Let us take this chance to change the direction of
Nova Roma into something more creative and productive. I am sure that
the differencies are fewer than the thing we have in common. I will
especially enjoy some peace and politeness! Well done!

>Gaius Modius Athanasius S.P.D.
>
>There seems to be a common theme in Nova Roma; conflict. Anyone who has
>been involved in leadership within Nova Roma knows that it is a roller-coaster
>ride of emotions and opinions, and it can be very frustrating.
>
>I have been frustrated as a new citizen, a trying to get active citizen, and
>as a NR priest, and magistrate. If we are not careful, we might end up
>loosing what we have built up. We might loose it due to fighting
>and politics.
>
>I am a Bonus, in that I have affiliated with a traditionally conservative
>group in Nova Roma. However, I am not a partisan hack. I want what
>is best for
>Nova Roma, and AM willing to work with all sides of the Nova Roma spectrum to
>make our Republic even better than what it is now.
>
>I have been called an ayatolloh, and a radical fundamentalist by some, I am
>neither of these things and much more tolerant of non-Religio practitioners
>than some may agree with.
>
>I have decided to create a new e-mail list in Nova Roma:
>
>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PeaceNR/
>
>This list is specifically designed for senators, magistrates, priests, and
>very active citizens who can come together from the various factions
>and attempt
>to dialogue to work out their differences, and build some common ground. The
>goal is to build bridges, and not to tear them down.
>
>Some of the basic rules of the list:
>-- you can speak freely, and say what is on your mind.
>-- you will not be moderated for sharing your thougths.
>-- however, no one will be allowed to insult another. The list is for honest
>dialogue, not personal attacks. People are encouraged to be honest, but not
>rude or hostile.
>-- there will be no moderation. You break the rules you will be removed from
>the list, but will be allowed to rejoin.
>-- once the list is established, and the initial group is formed all new
>members to the list will have to be approved by the rest of the members of the
>list. Dialogue has to be open, with people willing to share in the dialogue.
>-- once there is a lasting peace in Nova Roma, and Concordia and Harmony
>become the norm over a sustained period of time, then this list will
>be disolved.
>
>The list is not for the curious, it is designed for dialogue between people
>on both ends of the political spectrum of Nova Roma.
>
>I acknowledge that I could have made stronger efforts towards unity, and that
>I did not communicate with others as effectively as I should have.
>Hopefully, we can move forward and build a better future.
>
>Valete;
>
>Gaius Modius Athanasius
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Salvete Quirites,

Maior wrote:

> Salvete omnes;
> perhaps it is me, but I thought voting for all the Centuries
> started last night 12pm Rome time; which is 7pm EST

Yes, that is correct.

Everyone please be sure to vote!

Valete,

-- Marinus

Salvete;
many thanks to Octavius Pius and Consul Marinus for answering me,
but actually who's job is it to alert the cives on the ML?
bene valete
M. Arminia Maior Fabiana


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@c...>
wrote:

> Salvete Quirites,
>
> Maior wrote:
>
> > Salvete omnes;
> > perhaps it is me, but I thought voting for all the Centuries
> > started last night 12pm Rome time; which is 7pm EST
>
> Yes, that is correct.
>
> Everyone please be sure to vote!
>
> Valete,
>
> -- Marinus

Salvete,

Maior wrote:

> Salvete;
> many thanks to Octavius Pius and Consul Marinus for answering me,
> but actually who's job is it to alert the cives on the ML?

The webmaster, but we don't currently have one. The senior Rogator has
been picking up the slack, but he's currently in Segovia at the NR Rally
there.

Valete,

-- Marinus

Salve,

In theory, it would be the presiding magistrate, however that obligation was fulfilled when the announcement calling the vote was put out.

Vale,

Metellus

Salvete omnes.

Hispania has just finished its fourth annual meeting, being this year with representatives from Britannia (Her Propraetrix, Fabia Livia, and lover friend, Cordus) and Hibernia ( Gentle Gladius Lupus). Almost 20 people gathered in a quiet spot near the hills and the old roman city of Segovia (You know, the one of the beautiful and amazing aqueduct :-)). I had also a personal meeting with Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana, the Propraetrix of Hibernia, and it was quite a good one (You know, in Dublin :-)). Later on, I wish, Consul Salix Astur should tell about his meetings in further land Thule. :-)

We have had a real spanish time there. An endless gathering to discuss matters referred to the Province, the Association and Nova Roma, the presentation of some equiped soldiers from Legio VIIII Hispana, the building of our website... and of course, the way Nova Roma goes.

It seems to me, as a Propraetor of Hispania, that many other citizens do not understand quite well the possibilities of Nova Roma. It can be a lot of things, of course it will be that we can do for it, but mainly we can do things right or not. Now it seems that some people, who does not really care for Roma, has been chosen for important Offices. They can show as a proof of good will that they want to build a Nova Roma close to Ancient Rome but without forgetting what times we are living.

I have just told this because this is the blood that will make Nova Roma strengh to grow. Personal meetings. Now, in the name of Concordia, so many times embarrassed, and in my own name, as full of Dignitas as a Propraetor can have, I would ask the citizens in Nova Roma to get a serious debate about what are we doing (If so) and what is the real purpouse of this organization. And of course, to DO something. :-)


vale bene in pace deorum,

L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
PROPRAETOR·HISPANIAE


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Salve Germanice,

Great article and one of my favourite subjects in Roman history.
Thank you for the posting.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Salvete Quirites;
in place of junior rogator I will tell you whatever your timezone
you can now safely vote in the Cista.

So please exercise the freedom that made Roman citizenship so great
so wonderful: Please Vote!

bene valete
M. Arminia Maior Fabiana

Propraetrix Hiberniae
scriba Iuris et
Investigatio CFQ

Salve Tiberius Arcanus Agricola

Not Risk, to many dice . Lets use Diplomacy much more skill involved.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Abboud
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] The Rebellion in Thule and Nichomachus


Perhaps we could set up a game of Risk, winner take all.

Vale;
Tiberius Arcanus Agricola
mikeabboud@...
----- Original Message -----
From: gaiusequitiuscato
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2004 8:03 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] The Rebellion in Thule and Nichomachus


G. Equitius Cato quirites S.P.D.

Salvete, omnes.

Fabius Maximus, I suggested that IF you and Drusus and Athanasius
really think our Censor Fabius Quintilianus is in rebellion, you
take a couple of our crack Legions over and attend to it. Now,
Drusus is engaged in a equipment-size ("you're stupid" "no, YOU'RE
stupid" "no, really, you're VERY stupid" "no, you're the very
MOST stupidest", etc.) dispute with Octavius Germanicus, and
Athanasius has withdrawn his already-overruled veto, so you stand
alone. Remember, only the Senate can appoint generals and dispatch
the Mighty Legions of Nova Roma, so make sure you ask permission
first. Otherwise, a Senator running around with Legions (crack or
no) may raise some eyebrows as to just who is actually in
rebellion :-)

Marcus Bianchius Antonius, I'll thank you to refer to my horse by
his name, Nichomachus ("Nick" for short). And if you offer to give
him away as a door prize again without at least getting the
permission of the Senate, I'll advise Fabius Maximus to wheel the
Mighty Legions in your direction.

So, the Interprovincial Collegium matter is going before the
Senate. The veto was overruled AND revoked. Woohoo! Now, can we
get back to what were we fighting about before that, please?

valete,

Cato
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Ave!

Well, I do feel myself very flattered. In fact, I happened to be
wandering around Hibernia with my girlfriend and her twin sister and
that's why I rang, to get rid of them ;-)

Now seriously, many thanks for the brief summaryze and the good
words. Indeed in Segovia the last 2 days we have had fun, shouting a
lot (As good spaniards we are) 7 hours of hard work over many
subjects and a lot of mulsum to endure it. :-)

Citizens. There are few tips to work with, but there is one that is
quite clear; as far as a single person tries to make war by himself
counting on no one's help, he is fighting a lost battle. But joined
with many more not in a stupid civil war but in a common fight he
will find the pleasure of battle and the joy of winning... let's go
ahead with this naive words and make them real.

We are heirs of Rome. Behave like them.

vale bene in pace deorum,

L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
PROPRAETOR·HISPANIAE

Ps: It has been a pleasure to meet people from Hibernia and
Britannia, not brittish or irish people. Just roman inhabitants of
those Provinces. And I think Consul Astur feels the same about some
other citizens... ;-)

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@y...> wrote:
> Salvete omnes;
> I just had the most wonderful time, L.Didius Geminus Sceptius
the
> prop. of Hispania is holidaying in Hibernia & rang me to get
together.
> I hopped on the train to Dublin to meet him, his girlfriend and
her
> sister under the arch at Trinity College, Lupus wasn't there as he
is
> already at the Segovia Rally;)
> We talked for hours, about Ludi, why Albata wasn't in some
famous
> mosaics in the Museum in Madrid (too lousy a team), how hard it is
to
> draft laws, the meaning of intercessio, lots of great tips to
recruit
> cives in Hibernia: movie night, posters. Christina and Stephanie
> telling me about Uranicus and Durmia, who've I've written to.
Ideas
> for the Nova Roma Travel Agency. How Octavianus makes calcei and
> another civis from Tarraco walked 24 miles in them and said they
were
> better than any other running shoe.
> Can I go on, you bet, but when we left, Scepti holding his
> book "Roman Ireland" that he bought at Trinity, lots of pictures,
and
> a big bear hug 'you must come to Spain!" Christina and Stephanie
> telling me how great & we'll meet everyone I've just written to.
It
> was just one of the best times in my life.
> Scepti said "it's not American, Spanish, Irish; we're all Nova
> Romans"
> bene valete amicos
> M. Arminia Maior Fabiana, one happy Nova Roman!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:

> Salve Tiberius Arcanus Agricola
>
> Not Risk, to many dice . Lets use Diplomacy much more skill

involved.

>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

Hehehe. I love Diplomacy, but it takes the right set of people to
really play it otherwise it could turn from a game into fist fights
real fast.

Vale,

Calvus

Gaius Modius Athanasius S.P.D.

Salvete:

As some of you already know for the past eight months I have been dealing
with a very sick father. At the end of January of this year I was "dad sitting"
while my mother was at work. My father started to get really garbled in his
speech and was getting confused -- his health was terrible, but he could always
communicate. So I called the squad to come and pick him up.

While at the local hospital he eventually went into a liver induced coma (or
something similar), because his liver stopped working and his body was filling
up with toxins. The doctors said he would die without a liver transplant.
So he was taken to the University of Cincinnati Hospital (about two hours
away), were he received a liver transplant. The diabetes he had simply tore up his
system, and ruined his liver.

He has been in either surgical ICU or a step down unit since January.

Two weeks ago my mother and I signed the paperwork to remove him from
dialysis, since his kidneys had started to shut down.

Last night my mother and I had his tube feed, and ventillator removed, and
put him on a morphine drip.

This afternoon at 4:47 PM my father, David O. Kling, Sr., passed away.

May he enjoy the green fields of Elysium. I imagine him and my grandfather
canoeing down a river together waiting for me to eventually join them.

Valete;

Gaius Modius Athanasius


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Salvete omnes.

I would like to share with the whole citizenry as an idea arised later on in my province, Hispania, something quite interesting.

Many people from Hispania joined Nova Roma because they wanted to have some worth on it. They discovered that in Hispania things could be done without the direct ruling of Nova Roma if it could be simplified. Now they ask: "Why Nova Roma is so important if we actually have meetings of at minimum 5 people each and almost every two or three months, if we now belong to a Cultural Corporation registered in Spain, if nowadays there are pretty good projects to work on in Hispania?". The question is after all, "What Nova Roma GIVES to me?".

Well, I would like to say I have the answer.

I would say "Nova Roma is now an international project that tries to be something great. I do not know exactly what kind of greatness or the shape of it, but something. SOMETHING." But I would add then "If we in a couple of years have a higher and more solid structure, better projects and tangible results", I couldn't be able to afford the risk of answer the question without feeling myself confused. Maybe something like "Nova Roma doesn't give me a single bit. Hispania (Well, its Corporation) do."

Do we want to reach such point? Do we want to repeat some kind of seccession as the one provoked that merged the SVR? Or do we want to do, sorry, DO, something about?

Now I'm being loyal to the Dignitas linked to an office like the one I hold, Propraetor appointed by the Senate. I can't run a province nor manage it without telling the feelings of those under my government.

I shall finish with the most easy tip of the day; leave your typing and join the people you write to in the streets. They don't look the same when you're out a PC screen.


vale bene in pace deorum,

L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
PROPRAETOR·HISPANIAE

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My sorrow with you. My mather died of diabetes 2 years ago. I know
quite well what is that of living it at home. Now, recover yourself.

vale,
Sceptius.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
> Gaius Modius Athanasius S.P.D.
>
> Salvete:
>
> As some of you already know for the past eight months I have been
dealing
> with a very sick father. At the end of January of this year I
was "dad sitting"
> while my mother was at work. My father started to get really
garbled in his
> speech and was getting confused -- his health was terrible, but he
could always
> communicate. So I called the squad to come and pick him up.
>
> While at the local hospital he eventually went into a liver
induced coma (or
> something similar), because his liver stopped working and his body
was filling
> up with toxins. The doctors said he would die without a liver
transplant.
> So he was taken to the University of Cincinnati Hospital (about
two hours
> away), were he received a liver transplant. The diabetes he had
simply tore up his
> system, and ruined his liver.
>
> He has been in either surgical ICU or a step down unit since
January.
>
> Two weeks ago my mother and I signed the paperwork to remove him
from
> dialysis, since his kidneys had started to shut down.
>
> Last night my mother and I had his tube feed, and ventillator
removed, and
> put him on a morphine drip.
>
> This afternoon at 4:47 PM my father, David O. Kling, Sr., passed
away.
>
> May he enjoy the green fields of Elysium. I imagine him and my
grandfather
> canoeing down a river together waiting for me to eventually join
them.
>
> Valete;
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete Quirites,

AthanasiosofSpfd@... wrote:

[...]

> This afternoon at 4:47 PM my father, David O. Kling, Sr., passed away.

I ask all Quirites to please hold Gaius Modius and his family in your
thoughts and prayers during this very difficult time.

Valete,

-- Marinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:

> Gaius Modius Athanasius S.P.D.

> This afternoon at 4:47 PM my father, David O. Kling, Sr., passed

away.

>
> May he enjoy the green fields of Elysium. I imagine him and my

grandfather

> canoeing down a river together waiting for me to eventually join

them.

>
> Valete;
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius

Salve,

Please accept my condolences and offers for prayers for peace and
emotional healing on behalf of yourself and your family.

Vale,

Quintus Cassius Calvus

Gaius Modius Athanasius S.P.D

That is a very good point. I was in Cincinnati yesterday, and took it as an
opportunity to meet with two citizens down there; we even tried to get others,
but it was short notice.

It was nice to be able to spend time yesterday with Agrippina Modia and
Lucius Modius Kaelus.

In Lacus Magni we also get together several times per year.

Valete;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 8/8/2004 8:47:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sceptia@... writes:
I shall finish with the most easy tip of the day; leave your typing and join
the people you write to in the streets. They don't look the same when you're
out a PC screen.


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Salve L. Didi Gemine et old colleague,

> I shall finish with the most easy tip of the day; leave your

typing and join the people you write to in the streets. They don't
look the same when you're out a PC screen.

>

Excellent advice!

Vale,

G. Popillius Laenas

Omnibus S.P.D. Fl Vedius Germanicus

S.V.B.E.E.V.

I will be in Los Angeles on Monday, 8/31 and Tuesday, 9/1 (my flight
departs at 10:30 that night, though) on business.

If anyone's interested, I would love to get together and have dinner
with some of our California cives on Monday night. I'll be staying in
Sherman Oaks (I know absolutely nothing about LA, but I figure that
might give people some context in regards to driving, etc.).

Di te incolumem custodiant.

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae

Dear Gaius Modius Athanasius,
I am writing to tell you how sorry I am for your loss. I hope your
grief will soon be healed.
I am sure that your father and grandfather are indeed canoeing down
that beautiful river, happy and free. You will see them again one day
and rejoice in their company, and they in yours. Until that time, I
wish peace unto your spirit, and pray that the sorrow in your heart
will be
soothed.
In honored service,
Lucius Aurelius Metellus
Praefectus Auxilia, Sodalitas Militarium
Nova Roma

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
> Gaius Modius Athanasius S.P.D.
>
> Salvete:
>
> As some of you already know for the past eight months I have been
dealing
> with a very sick father. At the end of January of this year I
was "dad sitting"
> while my mother was at work. My father started to get really
garbled in his
> speech and was getting confused -- his health was terrible, but he
could always
> communicate. So I called the squad to come and pick him up.
>
> While at the local hospital he eventually went into a liver induced
coma (or
> something similar), because his liver stopped working and his body
was filling
> up with toxins. The doctors said he would die without a liver
transplant.
> So he was taken to the University of Cincinnati Hospital (about two
hours
> away), were he received a liver transplant. The diabetes he had
simply tore up his
> system, and ruined his liver.
>
> He has been in either surgical ICU or a step down unit since
January.
>
> Two weeks ago my mother and I signed the paperwork to remove him
from
> dialysis, since his kidneys had started to shut down.
>
> Last night my mother and I had his tube feed, and ventillator
removed, and
> put him on a morphine drip.
>
> This afternoon at 4:47 PM my father, David O. Kling, Sr., passed
away.
>
> May he enjoy the green fields of Elysium. I imagine him and my
grandfather
> canoeing down a river together waiting for me to eventually join
them.
>
> Valete;
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Euphemia Cassia Mercuria to Gaius Modius Athanasius

Please accept my most heartfelt condolences to you and your family in this most difficult time. I will keep you and yours in my prayers as your father makes the journey to Elysium.

Blessings,
Euphemia Cassia Mercuria


AthanasiosofSpfd@... wrote:
Gaius Modius Athanasius S.P.D.

Salvete:

As some of you already know for the past eight months I have been dealing
with a very sick father. At the end of January of this year I was "dad sitting"
while my mother was at work. My father started to get really garbled in his
speech and was getting confused -- his health was terrible, but he could always
communicate. So I called the squad to come and pick him up.

While at the local hospital he eventually went into a liver induced coma (or
something similar), because his liver stopped working and his body was filling
up with toxins. The doctors said he would die without a liver transplant.
So he was taken to the University of Cincinnati Hospital (about two hours
away), were he received a liver transplant. The diabetes he had simply tore up his
system, and ruined his liver.

He has been in either surgical ICU or a step down unit since January.

Two weeks ago my mother and I signed the paperwork to remove him from
dialysis, since his kidneys had started to shut down.

Last night my mother and I had his tube feed, and ventillator removed, and
put him on a morphine drip.

This afternoon at 4:47 PM my father, David O. Kling, Sr., passed away.

May he enjoy the green fields of Elysium. I imagine him and my grandfather
canoeing down a river together waiting for me to eventually join them.

Valete;

Gaius Modius Athanasius


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In a message dated 8/7/04 10:37:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... writes:

> If three tribunes vetoed an intercessio that two tribunes issued.

Sorry missed the third veto. Guess it wasn't apparent. I only saw two
vetoes.

The withdrawal came after, so that was why it was unmentioned.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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In a message dated 8/8/04 7:02:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
germanicus@... writes:

> If anyone's interested, I would love to get together and have dinner
> with some of our California cives on Monday night. I'll be staying in
> Sherman Oaks (I know absolutely nothing about LA, but I figure that
> might give people some context in regards to driving, etc.).
>

That's two miles from my Villa. It would be an honor to host one the
Founders in CAL Inferior. There are many excellent Italian restaurants in the area,
those interested please contact me at globpronet@... Pater's Feast in the
heading, so my secretary can make a list of interested parties.

Q. Fabius Maximus
Proconsul, CA.


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Ave!

Let me know what you guys settle on, and I will be there! :)

Thanks,

Sulla

----- Original Message -----
From: QFabiusMaxmi@...
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Dinner in Los Angeles?


In a message dated 8/8/04 7:02:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
germanicus@... writes:

> If anyone's interested, I would love to get together and have dinner
> with some of our California cives on Monday night. I'll be staying in
> Sherman Oaks (I know absolutely nothing about LA, but I figure that
> might give people some context in regards to driving, etc.).
>

That's two miles from my Villa. It would be an honor to host one the
Founders in CAL Inferior. There are many excellent Italian restaurants in the area,
those interested please contact me at globpronet@... Pater's Feast in the
heading, so my secretary can make a list of interested parties.

Q. Fabius Maximus
Proconsul, CA.


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I've already shared my thoughts privately with you, and I am glad to
have been one of those people who could be there with you the day
that it happened. Truly, if you need anything.. or there is anything
I can do, however small, I'm only an IM or phone call away.

Vale bene,
Kaelus

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
> > Gaius Modius Athanasius S.P.D.
>
> > This afternoon at 4:47 PM my father, David O. Kling, Sr., passed
> away.
> >
> > May he enjoy the green fields of Elysium. I imagine him and my
> grandfather
> > canoeing down a river together waiting for me to eventually join
> them.
> >
> > Valete;
> >
> > Gaius Modius Athanasius

Salve

"game into fist fights real fast."

Nova Romans fighting??????, I couldn't think of that happening. How could anybody think that any NR would ever have a cross word let alone a fight with another NR.

Vale

TGP

----- Original Message -----
From: quintuscassiuscalvus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 8:27 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Rebellion in Thule and Nichomachus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:
> Salve Tiberius Arcanus Agricola
>
> Not Risk, to many dice . Lets use Diplomacy much more skill
involved.
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

Hehehe. I love Diplomacy, but it takes the right set of people to
really play it otherwise it could turn from a game into fist fights
real fast.

Vale,

Calvus


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My heart felt condolences.
Maxima

AthanasiosofSpfd@... wrote:
Gaius Modius Athanasius S.P.D.

Salvete:

As some of you already know for the past eight months I have been dealing
with a very sick father. At the end of January of this year I was "dad sitting"
while my mother was at work. My father started to get really garbled in his
speech and was getting confused -- his health was terrible, but he could always
communicate. So I called the squad to come and pick him up.

While at the local hospital he eventually went into a liver induced coma (or
something similar), because his liver stopped working and his body was filling
up with toxins. The doctors said he would die without a liver transplant.
So he was taken to the University of Cincinnati Hospital (about two hours
away), were he received a liver transplant. The diabetes he had simply tore up his
system, and ruined his liver.

He has been in either surgical ICU or a step down unit since January.

Two weeks ago my mother and I signed the paperwork to remove him from
dialysis, since his kidneys had started to shut down.

Last night my mother and I had his tube feed, and ventillator removed, and
put him on a morphine drip.

This afternoon at 4:47 PM my father, David O. Kling, Sr., passed away.

May he enjoy the green fields of Elysium. I imagine him and my grandfather
canoeing down a river together waiting for me to eventually join them.

Valete;

Gaius Modius Athanasius


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Salve

I think Calvus may have been thinking of the potential for damage to
the furniture and gameboard of we were all in same room together. I
suppose if we all wore elastic bungie ropes that snapped us back
before we could make contact we would be ok.....

Caesar

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:

> Salve
>
> "game into fist fights real fast."
>
> Nova Romans fighting??????, I couldn't think of that happening. How

could anybody think that any NR would ever have a cross word let
alone a fight with another NR.

>
> Vale
>
> TGP
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: quintuscassiuscalvus
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 8:27 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Rebellion in Thule and Nichomachus
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher"

<spqr753@m...>

> wrote:
> > Salve Tiberius Arcanus Agricola
> >
> > Not Risk, to many dice . Lets use Diplomacy much more skill
> involved.
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
> Hehehe. I love Diplomacy, but it takes the right set of people

to

> really play it otherwise it could turn from a game into fist

fights

> real fast.
>
> Vale,
>
> Calvus
>
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Please accept my condolances. It's never easy watching a parent die and
sometimes the hardest gift to give them is that of letting them go. You and
your family will be remembered in my prayers

Flavia Lucilla Merula

P.Minius Albucius Gaio Modio Athanasio s.d.,

We do not know each other yet, but I offer you my sincere condolences. Green fields of Elysium are a very bright place for the rest of our beloved. I am sure that your father is peaceful now.

Cura ut valeas, te materque.
Scr. Cadomago, Gallia, a.d. V Id. Sextiles MMDCCLVII a.u.c.

P.Minius Albucius
Scr. Propraetoris

----- Original Message -----
From: AthanasiosofSpfd@...
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 1:33 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Status of my Father.


Gaius Modius Athanasius S.P.D.

Salvete:

As some of you already know for the past eight months I have been dealing
with a very sick father. At the end of January of this year I was "dad sitting"
while my mother was at work. My father started to get really garbled in his
speech and was getting confused -- his health was terrible, but he could always
communicate. So I called the squad to come and pick him up.

While at the local hospital he eventually went into a liver induced coma (or
something similar), because his liver stopped working and his body was filling
up with toxins. The doctors said he would die without a liver transplant.
So he was taken to the University of Cincinnati Hospital (about two hours
away), were he received a liver transplant. The diabetes he had simply tore up his
system, and ruined his liver.

He has been in either surgical ICU or a step down unit since January.

Two weeks ago my mother and I signed the paperwork to remove him from
dialysis, since his kidneys had started to shut down.

Last night my mother and I had his tube feed, and ventillator removed, and
put him on a morphine drip.

This afternoon at 4:47 PM my father, David O. Kling, Sr., passed away.

May he enjoy the green fields of Elysium. I imagine him and my grandfather
canoeing down a river together waiting for me to eventually join them.

Valete;

Gaius Modius Athanasius


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P.Minius Albucius L. Didio Geminio Sceptio s.d.,

Sincere congratulations for your event in Segovia. I can easily imagine how many and passionnating were your topics. As you wrote it, I believe too that this kind of gatherings are one of Nova Roma major matters.

Felicitaciones y buenas dias !

Vale.
Scr. Cadomago, Gallia, a.d. V Id. Sextiles MMDCCLVII a.u.c.

P.Minius Albucius
Scr. Propraetoris

----- Original Message -----
----- Original Message -----
From: L. Didius Geminus Sceptius
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 1:20 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Events and Gatherings


Ave!

Well, I do feel myself very flattered. In fact, I happened to be
wandering around Hibernia with my girlfriend and her twin sister and
that's why I rang, to get rid of them ;-)

Now seriously, many thanks for the brief summaryze and the good
words. Indeed in Segovia the last 2 days we have had fun, shouting a
lot (As good spaniards we are) 7 hours of hard work over many
subjects and a lot of mulsum to endure it. :-)

Citizens. There are few tips to work with, but there is one that is
quite clear; as far as a single person tries to make war by himself
counting on no one's help, he is fighting a lost battle. But joined
with many more not in a stupid civil war but in a common fight he
will find the pleasure of battle and the joy of winning... let's go
ahead with this naive words and make them real.

We are heirs of Rome. Behave like them.

vale bene in pace deorum,

L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS
PROPRAETOR·HISPANIAE

Ps: It has been a pleasure to meet people from Hibernia and
Britannia, not brittish or irish people. Just roman inhabitants of
those Provinces. And I think Consul Astur feels the same about some
other citizens... ;-)



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@y...> wrote:
> Salvete omnes;
> I just had the most wonderful time, L.Didius Geminus Sceptius
the
> prop. of Hispania is holidaying in Hibernia & rang me to get
together.
> I hopped on the train to Dublin to meet him, his girlfriend and
her
> sister under the arch at Trinity College, Lupus wasn't there as he
is
> already at the Segovia Rally;)
> We talked for hours, about Ludi, why Albata wasn't in some
famous
> mosaics in the Museum in Madrid (too lousy a team), how hard it is
to
> draft laws, the meaning of intercessio, lots of great tips to
recruit
> cives in Hibernia: movie night, posters. Christina and Stephanie
> telling me about Uranicus and Durmia, who've I've written to.
Ideas
> for the Nova Roma Travel Agency. How Octavianus makes calcei and
> another civis from Tarraco walked 24 miles in them and said they
were
> better than any other running shoe.
> Can I go on, you bet, but when we left, Scepti holding his
> book "Roman Ireland" that he bought at Trinity, lots of pictures,
and
> a big bear hug 'you must come to Spain!" Christina and Stephanie
> telling me how great & we'll meet everyone I've just written to.
It
> was just one of the best times in my life.
> Scepti said "it's not American, Spanish, Irish; we're all Nova
> Romans"
> bene valete amicos
> M. Arminia Maior Fabiana, one happy Nova Roman!


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Salve Amice!

I am so very sorry! I really don't know what to say. Please accept my
deep felt condolences!

I know that You will have a difficult period before You, still You
are working with the PeaceNR list. Please take your time, we will all
wait if You need time.

I will include You and your mother in my prayers.

>Gaius Modius Athanasius S.P.D.
>
>Salvete:
>
>As some of you already know for the past eight months I have been dealing
>with a very sick father. At the end of January of this year I was
>"dad sitting"
>while my mother was at work. My father started to get really garbled in his
>speech and was getting confused -- his health was terrible, but he
>could always
>communicate. So I called the squad to come and pick him up.
>
>While at the local hospital he eventually went into a liver induced coma (or
>something similar), because his liver stopped working and his body was filling
>up with toxins. The doctors said he would die without a liver transplant.
>So he was taken to the University of Cincinnati Hospital (about two hours
>away), were he received a liver transplant. The diabetes he had
>simply tore up his
>system, and ruined his liver.
>
>He has been in either surgical ICU or a step down unit since January.
>
>Two weeks ago my mother and I signed the paperwork to remove him from
>dialysis, since his kidneys had started to shut down.
>
>Last night my mother and I had his tube feed, and ventillator removed, and
>put him on a morphine drip.
>
>This afternoon at 4:47 PM my father, David O. Kling, Sr., passed away.
>
>May he enjoy the green fields of Elysium. I imagine him and my grandfather
>canoeing down a river together waiting for me to eventually join them.
>
>Valete;
>
>Gaius Modius Athanasius

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Dear "Caius Porticus Trogus",
my name ist Wolfgang Trogus. I am living in Germany.
My hobby is genealogy, and I have collected the dates of all people bearing
the name of TROGUS, including the roman bearers like Pompeius Trogus. It is
a family name here in southern Germany.

This is why I would like to contact you. I would appreciate it very much if you
would send me a mail and give me some details of you, your choice of this
name and your association.

Best regards
Wolfgang Trogus


__________________________________________________________
Eine e-mail von/ An e-mail from Wolfgang Trogus; wolf.trogus@...
D-88090 Immenstaad, Kapellenweg 21a, Tel. 07545-592
Homepage: http://home.genealogy.net/wolftrogus.html

Salvete
Gaius Modius Athanasius SPD

I am sorry for your loss, I can't imagine loosing a loved one so close to you. I watched the grief my father felt when he lost his mother. I will say a pray to Mercury for your father and Hercules for you so you have the strength to take of your family in your time of loss.

Vale;
Tiberius Arcanus Agricola
mikeabboud@...

----- Original Message -----
From: AthanasiosofSpfd@...
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 5:33 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Status of my Father.


Gaius Modius Athanasius S.P.D.

Salvete:

As some of you already know for the past eight months I have been dealing
with a very sick father. At the end of January of this year I was "dad sitting"
while my mother was at work. My father started to get really garbled in his
speech and was getting confused -- his health was terrible, but he could always
communicate. So I called the squad to come and pick him up.

While at the local hospital he eventually went into a liver induced coma (or
something similar), because his liver stopped working and his body was filling
up with toxins. The doctors said he would die without a liver transplant.
So he was taken to the University of Cincinnati Hospital (about two hours
away), were he received a liver transplant. The diabetes he had simply tore up his
system, and ruined his liver.

He has been in either surgical ICU or a step down unit since January.

Two weeks ago my mother and I signed the paperwork to remove him from
dialysis, since his kidneys had started to shut down.

Last night my mother and I had his tube feed, and ventillator removed, and
put him on a morphine drip.

This afternoon at 4:47 PM my father, David O. Kling, Sr., passed away.

May he enjoy the green fields of Elysium. I imagine him and my grandfather
canoeing down a river together waiting for me to eventually join them.

Valete;

Gaius Modius Athanasius


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L Equitius Cincinnatus Augur C Modiuo Athanasio salutem dicit

Salve

From: AthanasiosofSpfd@...
Subject: Status of my Father.

Gaius Modius Athanasius S.P.D.

Salvete:

As some of you already know for the past eight months I have been dealing
with a very sick father...

He has been in either surgical ICU or a step down unit since January.

Two weeks ago my mother and I signed the paperwork to remove him from
dialysis, since his kidneys had started to shut down.

Last night my mother and I had his tube feed, and ventillator removed, and
put him on a morphine drip.

This afternoon at 4:47 PM my father, David O. Kling, Sr., passed away.

May he enjoy the green fields of Elysium. I imagine him and my grandfather
canoeing down a river together waiting for me to eventually join them.

L Equitius: While you are certainly grieving remember that he is now no
longer suffering, trapped in a ruined body. Remember too those years you had
with him and all those things he taught you. Remember those things he was
able to do and enjoy.

My father died in June 1965 when I was 9 of a very sudden heart attack. He
was 31 but his heart had been severely damaged from a childhood bout of
Rheumatic fever. Even though it's been nearly 40 years I still grieve, but
I'm grateful that he didn't suffer and that he was able to do the things he
enjoyed until he left. I remember him well and tell my children of him.

I know you will be grieve but it will become less painful in time. You will
never forget and it will still be emotional to remember but he is there.
Yes, he is in the 'happy hunting grounds' too.

Vale

---Salve Gaius Modius:

You and your family have my sincere condolences and concern. I know
it has been a long ordeal for all of you. I pray for eternal peace
and wellbeing for your father, and for a time of healing for your
family during this time of loss. For your mother, she is saying a
very painful goodbye to her mate, so very much an intrinsic part of
her life and very being for all these years, and for you, this is a
painful farewell to likely the most important and influencial mentor
a person could ever have.

I wish you well,
Po


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:

> Gaius Modius Athanasius S.P.D.
>
> Salvete:
>
> As some of you already know for the past eight months I have been

dealing

> with a very sick father. At the end of January of this year I

was "dad sitting"

> while my mother was at work. My father started to get really

garbled in his

> speech and was getting confused -- his health was terrible, but he

could always

> communicate. So I called the squad to come and pick him up.
>
> While at the local hospital he eventually went into a liver

induced coma (or

> something similar), because his liver stopped working and his body

was filling

> up with toxins. The doctors said he would die without a liver

transplant.

> So he was taken to the University of Cincinnati Hospital (about

two hours

> away), were he received a liver transplant. The diabetes he had

simply tore up his

> system, and ruined his liver.
>
> He has been in either surgical ICU or a step down unit since

January.

>
> Two weeks ago my mother and I signed the paperwork to remove him

from

> dialysis, since his kidneys had started to shut down.
>
> Last night my mother and I had his tube feed, and ventillator

removed, and

> put him on a morphine drip.
>
> This afternoon at 4:47 PM my father, David O. Kling, Sr., passed

away.

>
> May he enjoy the green fields of Elysium. I imagine him and my

grandfather

> canoeing down a river together waiting for me to eventually join

them.

>
> Valete;
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve!

I would like to send my condolences to you and your family. I lost my father to diabetes in 1981 at the age of 13. I feel for your loss, however his is no longer suffering and I am sure very happy.

Pax!
Valerius.

----- Original Message -----
From: AthanasiosofSpfd@...
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2004 7:33 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Status of my Father.


Gaius Modius Athanasius S.P.D.

Salvete:

As some of you already know for the past eight months I have been dealing
with a very sick father. At the end of January of this year I was "dad sitting"
while my mother was at work. My father started to get really garbled in his
speech and was getting confused -- his health was terrible, but he could always
communicate. So I called the squad to come and pick him up.

While at the local hospital he eventually went into a liver induced coma (or
something similar), because his liver stopped working and his body was filling
up with toxins. The doctors said he would die without a liver transplant.
So he was taken to the University of Cincinnati Hospital (about two hours
away), were he received a liver transplant. The diabetes he had simply tore up his
system, and ruined his liver.

He has been in either surgical ICU or a step down unit since January.

Two weeks ago my mother and I signed the paperwork to remove him from
dialysis, since his kidneys had started to shut down.

Last night my mother and I had his tube feed, and ventillator removed, and
put him on a morphine drip.

This afternoon at 4:47 PM my father, David O. Kling, Sr., passed away.

May he enjoy the green fields of Elysium. I imagine him and my grandfather
canoeing down a river together waiting for me to eventually join them.

Valete;

Gaius Modius Athanasius


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Salve Quirinus Sulla,

sorry for the delay, I had several problems to my home PC during the
last week-end. Welcome to NOva Roma, as said by Quaestor Iulius
Sulla I'll too invite you to the Provincia Italia mailing list, a
very interesting and polite list where grow your passion for Rome.
About local event, the italian nova romans will be at the Festival
Mercato della Centuriazione in Villadose (Rovigo) presenting Nova
Roma. Other Nova Romans meetings are planned for the autumn.
If you're in Rome I would strongly sugegst you to reserve a place in
the roman restaurant on the Isola Tiberina by Prof. Nicatro, our
great friend. Here you could eat original roman meal and mulsum in a
typical restored location. This opportunity wull be until the next
29th August. If you'll join the provincial list or fi you'ld prefer
privatly, I'll be happy to give you all the contacts.

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, gianni de dominicis
> <giannidedom@y...> wrote:
> > salve!!
> > Mi sono appena iscritto e non sono ancora sufficientemente

pratico.

> > Mi farebbe piacere se qualcuno mi informasse circa riunioni e
> luoghi che, mi dicono, si stanno organizzando a Roma.
> > Grazie
> > Marcus quirinus sulla
> >
> >
> >
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Oops! I meant Monday 8/30 and Tuesday 8/31 (that's what I get for not
looking at the calendar when I write). Getting together Monday would be
great. I'm looking forward to actually meeting Quintus Fabius, Sulla,
and anyone else who can make it.

Valete,

FVG

Flavius Vedius Germanicus wrote:

> Omnibus S.P.D. Fl Vedius Germanicus
>
> S.V.B.E.E.V.
>
> I will be in Los Angeles on Monday, 8/31 and Tuesday, 9/1 (my flight
> departs at 10:30 that night, though) on business.
>
> If anyone's interested, I would love to get together and have dinner
> with some of our California cives on Monday night. I'll be staying in
> Sherman Oaks (I know absolutely nothing about LA, but I figure that
> might give people some context in regards to driving, etc.).
>
> Di te incolumem custodiant.
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Monday is much better for me. I have classes on Tuesday and will be unable to attend.

Thanks!

Vale,

Sulla

----- Original Message -----
From: Flavius Vedius Germanicus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Dinner in Los Angeles?


Oops! I meant Monday 8/30 and Tuesday 8/31 (that's what I get for not
looking at the calendar when I write). Getting together Monday would be
great. I'm looking forward to actually meeting Quintus Fabius, Sulla,
and anyone else who can make it.

Valete,

FVG

Flavius Vedius Germanicus wrote:

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>
> S.V.B.E.E.V.
>
> I will be in Los Angeles on Monday, 8/31 and Tuesday, 9/1 (my flight
> departs at 10:30 that night, though) on business.
>
> If anyone's interested, I would love to get together and have dinner
> with some of our California cives on Monday night. I'll be staying in
> Sherman Oaks (I know absolutely nothing about LA, but I figure that
> might give people some context in regards to driving, etc.).
>
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Julilla Sempronia Magna Gaio Modio Athanasio SPD

My eyes well up with tears as I write, and painful memories of the
loss of my own pater to complications from diabetes 13 years ago are
sharp and fresh.

Please know that you are in my prayers and may the Gods grant your
pater a noble death, peace and joy in Elysium.

---
cura ut valeas,
@____@ Julilla Sempronia Magna
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@____@ Daily Life in Ancient Rome
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Factio Praesina
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/factiopraesina/

Quintus Lanius Paulinus Gaio Modio Athanasio SPD,

I send you my deepest condolences and prayers for the passing away
of your father. May he have a happy and peacful journey in the next
life where we shall all again meet in time.

Respectfully,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Salvete,

Having read his "Meditations" I cannot help but wonder what possesed
Marcus Aurelius to leave the empire to Commodus. It completely baffles
me that a man, who in his writings shows such insight into his duties
and his office, would not be aware that his son lacked those qualities

Were there political motives for his decision, or did the Emperor simply
lose his marbles in his old age? Is the reason for his decision known at
all?

I must admit my knowledge of Marcus Aurelius is very limited since I've
only read the Mediations and some basic historical info (the Empire not
being my most favorite of times...) , so I would also certainly
appreciate it if somebody could perhaps offer some reading recommendations.

Valete,

Gaius Laelius Pertinax

I do want to say that I respect your efforts Modius in making this
list, it is a
wonderful tribute to your father.
in amore deorum
Maior
--- End forwarded message ---

Salvete,

To a Roman Duties included a sense of duty to ones family, so
selecting Commodus was in keeping with the duty that Marcus Aurelius
owed to his family. The Empire was very lucky that a series of
childless men were Emperors, Men who had to adopt an heir, who had to
find someone who was worthy. This string of luck ran out with Marcus
Aurelius.

There is one other thing to consider, Marcus Aurelius didn't plan on
dying when he did. He would have thought he had time to train
Commodus, and for the young man to become more mature.

If you look at the so called bad or crazy Emperors there is one thing
that allmost all of them have in common. They became emperor at a very
young age and were assassinated before they reached a very old age. It
seems that they lacked the maturity to handle that much power. Even
the most revered of Emperors, Octavian, would have had a black
reputation if he had died when he was young like the bad emperors did
instead of living to an age when he had the maturity to handle the
postion.

L. Sicinius Drusus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Laelius <vdhoek1@x> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> Having read his "Meditations" I cannot help but wonder what possesed
> Marcus Aurelius to leave the empire to Commodus. It completely baffles
> me that a man, who in his writings shows such insight into his duties
> and his office, would not be aware that his son lacked those qualities
>
> Were there political motives for his decision, or did the Emperor
simply
> lose his marbles in his old age? Is the reason for his decision
known at
> all?
>
> I must admit my knowledge of Marcus Aurelius is very limited since I've
> only read the Mediations and some basic historical info (the Empire not
> being my most favorite of times...) , so I would also certainly
> appreciate it if somebody could perhaps offer some reading
recommendations.
>
> Valete,
>
> Gaius Laelius Pertinax

Well, Marcus was probably faced with the stark choice of making his son emperor or putting him to death, and he simply wasn't ruthless enough to take the latter option.

Evidently Septimus Severus bitterly criticized Marcus for making the choice he did -- and then ended up doing the exact same thing.

Lucius Aeneas Apollonius Nauta

Gaius Laelius <vdhoek1@...> wrote:

> Salvete,
>
>Having read his quot;Meditationsquot; I cannot help but wonder what possesed
>Marcus Aurelius to leave the empire to Commodus. It completely baffles
>me that a man, who in his writings shows such insight into his duties
>and his office, would not be aware that his son lacked those qualities
>
>Were there political motives for his decision, or did the Emperor simply
>lose his marbles in his old age? Is the reason for his decision known at
>all?
>
>I must admit my knowledge of Marcus Aurelius is very limited since I've
>only read the Mediations and some basic historical info (the Empire not
>being my most favorite of times...) , so I would also certainly
>appreciate it if somebody could perhaps offer some reading recommendations.
>
>Valete,
>
>Gaius Laelius Pertinax
>
>
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In PeaceNR@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@y...>
wrote:


G. Equitius Cato quirites S.P.D.

Salvete, omnes.

OK, I know ---ANOTHER List? Yep. I've opened a group List
dedicated to creating a plan to support our sacerdotes...it's
called "Support Our Sacerdotes" (surprise, surprise), or "S.O.S."
for short. Here's the link:


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/supportoursacerdotes


Anyone interested in creating a plan, please join up and let's get
the ball rolling. It's open, unmoderated, and will be in
existence ONLY to create this plan. I hope to see a heap o'
members soon.
Or I'll send the horse around to each of your villas.

vale,

Cato

Thank you, I hope it does some good for Nova Roma.

Vale;

Gaius Modius

In a message dated 8/9/2004 3:12:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
rory12001@... writes:
I do want to say that I respect your efforts Modius in making this
list, it is a
wonderful tribute to your father.
in amore deorum
Maior


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Omnibus S.P.D. Fl Vedius Germanicus

I thought it might be appropriate to make a semi-regular post about the
status of the Sacrifice Fund, in order to keep it in the public mind.

Thusfar, the Nova Roma Sacrifice Fund has received US$100 in pledges,
with other individuals having offered to help without naming a
particular sum.

What is the Nova Roma Sacrifice Fund?

In accordance with the decreta of the Collegium Pontificum dealing with
the subject of animal sacrifices, no state monies are currently to be
allocated for the purpose of funding animal sacrifice in the furtherance
of the Religio Publica. As private Citizens, on the other hand, we are
free to donate to such causes as we wish. The Sacrifice Fund, therefore,
is a completely private institution whose purpose is to help defray the
cost of conducting animal sacrifices by official priests, acting on
behalf of the Religio Publica.

Anyone wishing to make a pledge to the Sacrifice Fund, to help further
the cause of celebrating the Religio Publica as it was celebrated in
Roma Antiqua, please send me a private email and I'll add you to the
list. Send no money now; your pledge of support is sufficient at this
point. I would, however, ask you to name an amount, just to keep the
record-keeping simple.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae

Salvete, amicae et amici.
I'm experiencing problems with my yahoo mail service. I received a
message failure notice today from the email I sent Sunday night. I
have a couple questions concerning citizenship. If a censor,
magistrate, or anyone who would like to respond to me; I would
appreciate it.
<<I wish to apply for citizenship within Nova Roma. I spent many
hours
reading and studying the site and many others on the subject of Roman
culture, art, social structure. I finally came to the decision of a
Roman
name. I chose Manius Hortensius Musicus. I chose the gens Hortensia
because of my love and talet of horticulture and gardening. I spent a
lot
of time translating most of the names listed on the site. When I
found
Hortensia to mean "belonging to/in a garden, grown in a garden" I was
excited. However, When applying for citizenship, I learned that I
must
choose from a specific group of nomina. Hortensia is not among them.
I am confused, and would like to know why this is the way, and if
there
is a way I can still use the nomen Hortensia.
Thank you for your time.
Jason Nickerson>>

Valete et habete fortunam bonam.

Already responded too.

Vale,

Sulla

----- Original Message -----
From: Jason Nickerson
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 7:37 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] E-mail to censors@... nondeliverable


Salvete, amicae et amici.
I'm experiencing problems with my yahoo mail service. I received a
message failure notice today from the email I sent Sunday night. I
have a couple questions concerning citizenship. If a censor,
magistrate, or anyone who would like to respond to me; I would
appreciate it.
<<I wish to apply for citizenship within Nova Roma. I spent many
hours
reading and studying the site and many others on the subject of Roman
culture, art, social structure. I finally came to the decision of a
Roman
name. I chose Manius Hortensius Musicus. I chose the gens Hortensia
because of my love and talet of horticulture and gardening. I spent a
lot
of time translating most of the names listed on the site. When I
found
Hortensia to mean "belonging to/in a garden, grown in a garden" I was
excited. However, When applying for citizenship, I learned that I
must
choose from a specific group of nomina. Hortensia is not among them.
I am confused, and would like to know why this is the way, and if
there
is a way I can still use the nomen Hortensia.
Thank you for your time.
Jason Nickerson>>

Valete et habete fortunam bonam.


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