----- Original Message -----
From: Stefn Ullarsson
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 9:03 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Note on animal sacrifice


Valetudo quod fortuna,

I have killed and will continue to kill animals for food.
I have killed and will continue to kill animals to protect life and
property;
just as I have and would use deadly force against a human threat.

I have and will continue to stop while driving (when safe for me and
other traffic)
to avoid killing or hurting an animal unnecessarily.

I have and will continue to own pets, which I hold very dear to my heart.
I have and will continue to regard humans, who I hold very dear to my heart.

I have and will continue to report to the proper authorities those who
kill or hurt animals to no good purpose.
I have and will continue to do the same for a man, woman or child.

I am an omnivore whose diet is heavy on animal source food.
I am an omnivore who likewise kills plants for food.

I find the concept that animals have rights, inane.

I do, however, believe that I have certain responsibilities to any being
under my power and authority, whether human or lower animal.

There is a distinct difference.

My beloved cats can not frame thoughtful arguments about abstract
concepts such as rights, life, death, sacredness, etc.
At the very least; they do not communicate in intellectual terms, which
have any meaning within human concepts.

I will cry for them when they die, or I have them euthanized, like I
have other pets who have died or I have had the vet put down.

I have and will continue to believe that I have certain duties to That
Which I hold Holy.

If I should take the decision that the Holy should like to receive the
life of an animal within a sacral context, an animal will die.

A man is not a cat, is not a pig, is not a rat...

I take offense to the thought that a nonhuman's being's life is as
valuable as mine.

I refuse to believe that a human who is fully aware to the full cycle of
life can believe that my life has the same worth as my cat's.

Yes, one can take the impression that I hold "moral relativism" as
worthless.

If an ape dies to make sure I have safer medicines, so be it.
If a rat dies so that neurological science advances, so be it.
If a pig dies so that I can have bacon for breakfast, so be it.
If a cow dies so that I might give a Sacral Gift to the Holy, and
provide a sumptuous feast to kin and kith, so be it.

I for one will continue to benefit from the death of animals.

And, I shall continue to be grateful for their lives.

For if I am ungrateful and do not acknowledge the lives lost to make
mine possible, the Holy Powers will turn Their grace from me.

All life feeds on life.

In amicitia quod fides - Venator


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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima <violetphearsen@y...> wrote:


> But that is just the point. It is neither right nor proper nor
necessary. In this day and age, people will not tolerate this, much
less accept it.

Madam,

My Religous beliefs are not subject to what you are willing to tolarate.

I'm old enough to remember a time when people wouldn't tolarate Black
Men dating White Women, People being openly Gay, or Jews living in the
"wrong" neighborhoods. You remind me of the intolarant people from
that era.

L. Sicinius Drusus


True, your religious beliefs are not subject to what I will or will not tolerate, but I'm not talking about your religious beliefs. I am talking about the rights of animals, in case you weren't listening.

Maxima Valeria Messallina



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----- Original Message -----
From: gaiusequitiuscato
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 9:04 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Sacrifice Fund


G. Equitius Cato L. Cornelio Sullae Felico M. Valeriae Messallinae
S.P.D.

Salvete.

Of course, once the Temple is rebuilt, Christ is gonna come back,
too, so there won't be a lot of time for the resumption of
sacrifices :-)

I'm glad that Vedius Germanicus posted what he did. It's much more
honest to simply say, "We're doing it because we believe the Di
Immortales demand it" than to try to sugarcoat it with claims
of "humanity". The same kinds of claims were made by the French
during the Terror regarding the guillotine, and the Nazis while
exploring more efficient ways to slaughter wholesale some certain
populations (Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, etc.) in Europe. "They
don't suffer much" can be easily slapped down with the simple fact
that they wouldn't be suffering AT ALL if you weren't killing them.

N.B. - I AM NOT EQUATING PRACTITIONERS WITH NAZIS OR THE FRENCH
DURING THE TERROR. I am equating the claims of "humanity", NOTHING
MORE.

I can, while abhorring the idea of animal sacrifices, at least
understand them from a theological point of view. Stick with that,
rather than trying to explain how "humane" it can be. As Valeria
Messalina has pointed out, the only "humane" thing to do would be
simply not kill them.

Valete.

Cato



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Cornelius Sulla"
<alexious@e...> wrote:
> Maxima, please do not insult the religious beliefs of others.
>
> Once the Temple in Jerusalem is rebuilt, animal sacrifice will
begin once again along the traditions and requirements of the Torah.
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Maxima
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 8:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Sacrifice Fund
>
>
>
> AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
> Good point Drusus. Thousands of animals are killed in the
United States
> every single day, I would say probably more like tens of
thousands. With NO
> dignity, and with no respect; in very disgusting ways.
>
> I am well aware of what not tens of thousands, but millions of
animals suffer everyday in this country, for one reason or another.
>
> A Roman style sacrifice is a humane and honorable way for an
animal to be
> killed. That animal is offered to the Gods, and then part of
the animal is
> profaned for general consumption. Society has not evolved, they
have simply hidden
> their brutality and have abandoned the more civil institution of
animal
> sacrifice as a means of producting a food substance (i.e., meat)
in a most
> honorable and respectable way.
>
> This is so insane, it defies belief. Society has not evolved?
When I hear talk like this, it would certainly seem so for some of
us. And there is nothing humane nor honorable about sacrifice. If
you really believe so, why not spare the animal and sacrifice
yourself? Suddenly, it doesn't seem so honorable, does it?
>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
>
>
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima <violetphearsen@y...> wrote:
> "Do as thou wilt but harm ye none." Practice your religion to your
heart's content, but you do not have the right, and neither do I, to
harm another creator in the name of any religion. Nothing justifies
animal sacrifice because you are forgetting, or more likely,
ignoring the fact that animals have rights, too, because they, too,
are denizens of this beautiful planet and they no more want to be
sacrificed for any human's beliefs than another human would.
>
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>
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----- Original Message -----
From: gaiusequitiuscato
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 9:04 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Sacrifice Fund


G. Equitius Cato L. Cornelio Sullae Felico M. Valeriae Messallinae
S.P.D.

Salvete.

Of course, once the Temple is rebuilt, Christ is gonna come back,
too, so there won't be a lot of time for the resumption of
sacrifices :-)

I'm glad that Vedius Germanicus posted what he did. It's much more
honest to simply say, "We're doing it because we believe the Di
Immortales demand it" than to try to sugarcoat it with claims
of "humanity". The same kinds of claims were made by the French
during the Terror regarding the guillotine, and the Nazis while
exploring more efficient ways to slaughter wholesale some certain
populations (Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, etc.) in Europe. "They
don't suffer much" can be easily slapped down with the simple fact
that they wouldn't be suffering AT ALL if you weren't killing them.

N.B. - I AM NOT EQUATING PRACTITIONERS WITH NAZIS OR THE FRENCH
DURING THE TERROR. I am equating the claims of "humanity", NOTHING
MORE.

I can, while abhorring the idea of animal sacrifices, at least
understand them from a theological point of view. Stick with that,
rather than trying to explain how "humane" it can be. As Valeria
Messalina has pointed out, the only "humane" thing to do would be
simply not kill them.

Valete.

Cato



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Cornelius Sulla"
<alexious@e...> wrote:
> Maxima, please do not insult the religious beliefs of others.
>
> Once the Temple in Jerusalem is rebuilt, animal sacrifice will
begin once again along the traditions and requirements of the Torah.
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Maxima
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 8:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Sacrifice Fund
>
>
>
> AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
> Good point Drusus. Thousands of animals are killed in the
United States
> every single day, I would say probably more like tens of
thousands. With NO
> dignity, and with no respect; in very disgusting ways.
>
> I am well aware of what not tens of thousands, but millions of
animals suffer everyday in this country, for one reason or another.
>
> A Roman style sacrifice is a humane and honorable way for an
animal to be
> killed. That animal is offered to the Gods, and then part of
the animal is
> profaned for general consumption. Society has not evolved, they
have simply hidden
> their brutality and have abandoned the more civil institution of
animal
> sacrifice as a means of producting a food substance (i.e., meat)
in a most
> honorable and respectable way.
>
> This is so insane, it defies belief. Society has not evolved?
When I hear talk like this, it would certainly seem so for some of
us. And there is nothing humane nor honorable about sacrifice. If
you really believe so, why not spare the animal and sacrifice
yourself? Suddenly, it doesn't seem so honorable, does it?
>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
>
>
>
>
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima <violetphearsen@y...> wrote:
> Now, who is disrespecting the beliefs of another? In your faith,
you might not think so, but to LOL about his belief is a bit
disrespectful.
>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
>
> "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@e...> wrote:
> LOL in your faith you might think it will happen. However, I do
not believe the Messiah has come at all. The Messiah will be the one
to rebuild the Temple....
>
> http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/general-messiah-criteria.html
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gaiusequitiuscato
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 9:04 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Sacrifice Fund
>
>
> G. Equitius Cato L. Cornelio Sullae Felico M. Valeriae
Messallinae
> S.P.D.
>
> Salvete.
>
> Of course, once the Temple is rebuilt, Christ is gonna come
back,
> too, so there won't be a lot of time for the resumption of
> sacrifices :-)
>
> I'm glad that Vedius Germanicus posted what he did. It's much
more
> honest to simply say, "We're doing it because we believe the Di
> Immortales demand it" than to try to sugarcoat it with claims
> of "humanity". The same kinds of claims were made by the French
> during the Terror regarding the guillotine, and the Nazis while
> exploring more efficient ways to slaughter wholesale some
certain
> populations (Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, etc.) in Europe. "They
> don't suffer much" can be easily slapped down with the simple
fact
> that they wouldn't be suffering AT ALL if you weren't killing
them.
>
> N.B. - I AM NOT EQUATING PRACTITIONERS WITH NAZIS OR THE FRENCH
> DURING THE TERROR. I am equating the claims of "humanity",
NOTHING
> MORE.
>
> I can, while abhorring the idea of animal sacrifices, at least
> understand them from a theological point of view. Stick with
that,
> rather than trying to explain how "humane" it can be. As
Valeria
> Messalina has pointed out, the only "humane" thing to do would
be
> simply not kill them.
>
> Valete.
>
> Cato
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Cornelius Sulla"
> <alexious@e...> wrote:
> > Maxima, please do not insult the religious beliefs of others.
> >
> > Once the Temple in Jerusalem is rebuilt, animal sacrifice will
> begin once again along the traditions and requirements of the
Torah.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Maxima
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 8:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Sacrifice Fund
> >
> >
> >
> > AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
> > Good point Drusus. Thousands of animals are killed in the
> United States
> > every single day, I would say probably more like tens of
> thousands. With NO
> > dignity, and with no respect; in very disgusting ways.
> >
> > I am well aware of what not tens of thousands, but millions
of
> animals suffer everyday in this country, for one reason or
another.
> >
> > A Roman style sacrifice is a humane and honorable way for an
> animal to be
> > killed. That animal is offered to the Gods, and then part
of
> the animal is
> > profaned for general consumption. Society has not evolved,
they
> have simply hidden
> > their brutality and have abandoned the more civil
institution of
> animal
> > sacrifice as a means of producting a food substance (i.e.,
meat)
> in a most
> > honorable and respectable way.
> >
> > This is so insane, it defies belief. Society has not
evolved?
> When I hear talk like this, it would certainly seem so for some
of
> us. And there is nothing humane nor honorable about sacrifice.
If
> you really believe so, why not spare the animal and sacrifice
> yourself? Suddenly, it doesn't seem so honorable, does it?
> >
> > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> >
> >
> >
> >
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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 9:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Sacrifice Fund


Now, who is disrespecting the beliefs of another? In your faith, you might not think so, but to LOL about his belief is a bit disrespectful.

Maxima Valeria Messallina

"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@...> wrote:
LOL in your faith you might think it will happen. However, I do not believe the Messiah has come at all. The Messiah will be the one to rebuild the Temple....

http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/general-messiah-criteria.html

Vale,

Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
----- Original Message -----
From: gaiusequitiuscato
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 9:04 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Sacrifice Fund


G. Equitius Cato L. Cornelio Sullae Felico M. Valeriae Messallinae
S.P.D.

Salvete.

Of course, once the Temple is rebuilt, Christ is gonna come back,
too, so there won't be a lot of time for the resumption of
sacrifices :-)

I'm glad that Vedius Germanicus posted what he did. It's much more
honest to simply say, "We're doing it because we believe the Di
Immortales demand it" than to try to sugarcoat it with claims
of "humanity". The same kinds of claims were made by the French
during the Terror regarding the guillotine, and the Nazis while
exploring more efficient ways to slaughter wholesale some certain
populations (Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, etc.) in Europe. "They
don't suffer much" can be easily slapped down with the simple fact
that they wouldn't be suffering AT ALL if you weren't killing them.

N.B. - I AM NOT EQUATING PRACTITIONERS WITH NAZIS OR THE FRENCH
DURING THE TERROR. I am equating the claims of "humanity", NOTHING
MORE.

I can, while abhorring the idea of animal sacrifices, at least
understand them from a theological point of view. Stick with that,
rather than trying to explain how "humane" it can be. As Valeria
Messalina has pointed out, the only "humane" thing to do would be
simply not kill them.

Valete.

Cato



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Cornelius Sulla"
<alexious@e...> wrote:
> Maxima, please do not insult the religious beliefs of others.
>
> Once the Temple in Jerusalem is rebuilt, animal sacrifice will
begin once again along the traditions and requirements of the Torah.
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Maxima
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 8:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Sacrifice Fund
>
>
>
> AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
> Good point Drusus. Thousands of animals are killed in the
United States
> every single day, I would say probably more like tens of
thousands. With NO
> dignity, and with no respect; in very disgusting ways.
>
> I am well aware of what not tens of thousands, but millions of
animals suffer everyday in this country, for one reason or another.
>
> A Roman style sacrifice is a humane and honorable way for an
animal to be
> killed. That animal is offered to the Gods, and then part of
the animal is
> profaned for general consumption. Society has not evolved, they
have simply hidden
> their brutality and have abandoned the more civil institution of
animal
> sacrifice as a means of producting a food substance (i.e., meat)
in a most
> honorable and respectable way.
>
> This is so insane, it defies belief. Society has not evolved?
When I hear talk like this, it would certainly seem so for some of
us. And there is nothing humane nor honorable about sacrifice. If
you really believe so, why not spare the animal and sacrifice
yourself? Suddenly, it doesn't seem so honorable, does it?
>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
>
>
>
>
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----- Original Message -----
From: gaiusequitiuscato
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 9:42 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Sacrifice Fund


G. Equitius Cato M. Valeriae Messalinae S.P.D.

Salve, Valeria Messalina.

Thank you for the defense; but the illustrious Censor and I have a
running skirmish going on and I don't take offense, as I trust he
does not when we broach the subject. We have tangled enough times
to take each other with a grain of salt. The size of Rhode Island.

vale,

Cato



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima <violetphearsen@y...> wrote:
> Now, who is disrespecting the beliefs of another? In your faith,
you might not think so, but to LOL about his belief is a bit
disrespectful.
>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
>
> "L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@e...> wrote:
> LOL in your faith you might think it will happen. However, I do
not believe the Messiah has come at all. The Messiah will be the one
to rebuild the Temple....
>
> http://www.jewsforjudaism.org/web/faq/general-messiah-criteria.html
>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gaiusequitiuscato
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 9:04 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Sacrifice Fund
>
>
> G. Equitius Cato L. Cornelio Sullae Felico M. Valeriae
Messallinae
> S.P.D.
>
> Salvete.
>
> Of course, once the Temple is rebuilt, Christ is gonna come
back,
> too, so there won't be a lot of time for the resumption of
> sacrifices :-)
>
> I'm glad that Vedius Germanicus posted what he did. It's much
more
> honest to simply say, "We're doing it because we believe the Di
> Immortales demand it" than to try to sugarcoat it with claims
> of "humanity". The same kinds of claims were made by the French
> during the Terror regarding the guillotine, and the Nazis while
> exploring more efficient ways to slaughter wholesale some
certain
> populations (Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, etc.) in Europe. "They
> don't suffer much" can be easily slapped down with the simple
fact
> that they wouldn't be suffering AT ALL if you weren't killing
them.
>
> N.B. - I AM NOT EQUATING PRACTITIONERS WITH NAZIS OR THE FRENCH
> DURING THE TERROR. I am equating the claims of "humanity",
NOTHING
> MORE.
>
> I can, while abhorring the idea of animal sacrifices, at least
> understand them from a theological point of view. Stick with
that,
> rather than trying to explain how "humane" it can be. As
Valeria
> Messalina has pointed out, the only "humane" thing to do would
be
> simply not kill them.
>
> Valete.
>
> Cato
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "L. Cornelius Sulla"
> <alexious@e...> wrote:
> > Maxima, please do not insult the religious beliefs of others.
> >
> > Once the Temple in Jerusalem is rebuilt, animal sacrifice will
> begin once again along the traditions and requirements of the
Torah.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Maxima
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 8:30 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Sacrifice Fund
> >
> >
> >
> > AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
> > Good point Drusus. Thousands of animals are killed in the
> United States
> > every single day, I would say probably more like tens of
> thousands. With NO
> > dignity, and with no respect; in very disgusting ways.
> >
> > I am well aware of what not tens of thousands, but millions
of
> animals suffer everyday in this country, for one reason or
another.
> >
> > A Roman style sacrifice is a humane and honorable way for an
> animal to be
> > killed. That animal is offered to the Gods, and then part
of
> the animal is
> > profaned for general consumption. Society has not evolved,
they
> have simply hidden
> > their brutality and have abandoned the more civil
institution of
> animal
> > sacrifice as a means of producting a food substance (i.e.,
meat)
> in a most
> > honorable and respectable way.
> >
> > This is so insane, it defies belief. Society has not
evolved?
> When I hear talk like this, it would certainly seem so for some
of
> us. And there is nothing humane nor honorable about sacrifice.
If
> you really believe so, why not spare the animal and sacrifice
> yourself? Suddenly, it doesn't seem so honorable, does it?
> >
> > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Salvete all,
>
> This has become one of those threads where further discussion is
> most likely not going to change the minds of any of the

>
> Probably best just to agree to disagree.
>
> Valete,
>
> G. Polillius Laenas

> I must correct you. As an animal rights activist and a vegan, thank

>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
>
>
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a... wrote:
> Citizens,
>
> Do we always have to take this route?
>
> This is a disgusting practice & you are a barbarian.
> You are intolerant and don't understand anything.
> Your stance is the height of folly and cruelty.
> Your stance is the height of intolerance and arrogance.
> Animal Killer!
> Goat Lover!
> Bastard!
> Stupid Git!
> Obscene gesture!!!
> Obscene gesture returned!!!
>
> I prefer--
>
> Maxima Messalina is entitled to her opinion and it is totally
correct for her.
> Sicinius Drusus is entitled to her opinion and it is totally
appropriate for
> him.
> They don't agree.
> Drusus, do not invite Maxima Messalina to the sacrifice of a red dog to
> Robiligo.
> Messalina, it is not a good idea to invite Drusus to the vegetarian
luncheon
> sponsored by Democrats for PETA.
> Both of you can come to my pavilion and drink wine of Limnos & enjoy
some
> bread and olive oil.
>
> F. Galerius Aurelianus
> Flamen Cerealis
> Proponent of peaceful disagreement on the Nova Roma ML
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

----- Original Message -----
From: PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@...
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Note on animal sacrifice--Pax! Pax! Pax et Concordia.


Citizens,

Do we always have to take this route?

This is a disgusting practice & you are a barbarian.
You are intolerant and don't understand anything.
Your stance is the height of folly and cruelty.
Your stance is the height of intolerance and arrogance.
Animal Killer!
Goat Lover!
Bastard!
Stupid Git!
Obscene gesture!!!
Obscene gesture returned!!!

I prefer--

Maxima Messalina is entitled to her opinion and it is totally correct for her.
Sicinius Drusus is entitled to her opinion and it is totally appropriate for
him.
They don't agree.
Drusus, do not invite Maxima Messalina to the sacrifice of a red dog to
Robiligo.
Messalina, it is not a good idea to invite Drusus to the vegetarian luncheon
sponsored by Democrats for PETA.
Both of you can come to my pavilion and drink wine of Limnos & enjoy some
bread and olive oil.

F. Galerius Aurelianus
Flamen Cerealis
Proponent of peaceful disagreement on the Nova Roma ML


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> This is so insane, it defies belief. Society has not evolved? When I hear talk like this, it would certainly seem so for some of us. And there is nothing humane nor honorable about sacrifice. If you really believe so, why not spare the animal and sacrifice yourself? Suddenly, it doesn't seem so honorable, does it?
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a... wrote:
> Citizens,
>
> Do we always have to take this route?
>
> This is a disgusting practice & you are a barbarian.
> You are intolerant and don't understand anything.
> Your stance is the height of folly and cruelty.
> Your stance is the height of intolerance and arrogance.
> Animal Killer!
> Goat Lover!
> Bastard!
> Stupid Git!
> Obscene gesture!!!
> Obscene gesture returned!!!
>
> I prefer--
>
> Maxima Messalina is entitled to her opinion and it is totally
correct for her.
> Sicinius Drusus is entitled to her opinion and it is totally
appropriate for
> him.
> They don't agree.
> Drusus, do not invite Maxima Messalina to the sacrifice of a red
dog to
> Robiligo.
> Messalina, it is not a good idea to invite Drusus to the
vegetarian luncheon
> sponsored by Democrats for PETA.
> Both of you can come to my pavilion and drink wine of Limnos &
enjoy some
> bread and olive oil.
>
> F. Galerius Aurelianus
> Flamen Cerealis
> Proponent of peaceful disagreement on the Nova Roma ML
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

----- Original Message -----
From: gaiusequitiuscato
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 10:45 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Note on animal sacrifice--Pax! Pax! Pax et Concordia.


G. Equitius Cato F. Galerio AurelianoS.P.D.

salve, Galerius Aurelianus.

OK, I'm seeing a recurring oversight here. Everyone gets to poke
Cato, but then, when it comes time for the wine to get poured,
where's Cato? Nowhere to be found. Does anybody offer CATO bread
and olive oil (mmmmm...olive oil....) Nope. As usual. Fine. The
horse and I are going to get Chinese takeout and THEN you'll be
sorry. Hmph.

Vale,

Cato
Who likes Chinese food better anyways. Sort of. OK, not really,
but there's a Point To Be Made here.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a... wrote:
> Citizens,
>
> Do we always have to take this route?
>
> This is a disgusting practice & you are a barbarian.
> You are intolerant and don't understand anything.
> Your stance is the height of folly and cruelty.
> Your stance is the height of intolerance and arrogance.
> Animal Killer!
> Goat Lover!
> Bastard!
> Stupid Git!
> Obscene gesture!!!
> Obscene gesture returned!!!
>
> I prefer--
>
> Maxima Messalina is entitled to her opinion and it is totally
correct for her.
> Sicinius Drusus is entitled to her opinion and it is totally
appropriate for
> him.
> They don't agree.
> Drusus, do not invite Maxima Messalina to the sacrifice of a red
dog to
> Robiligo.
> Messalina, it is not a good idea to invite Drusus to the
vegetarian luncheon
> sponsored by Democrats for PETA.
> Both of you can come to my pavilion and drink wine of Limnos &
enjoy some
> bread and olive oil.
>
> F. Galerius Aurelianus
> Flamen Cerealis
> Proponent of peaceful disagreement on the Nova Roma ML
>
>
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima <violetphearsen@y...> wrote:
> I was not being impolite. I was stating my shock upon learning that
some Nova Romans actually want to bring animal sacrifice back and
make it part of New Rome in today's modern world. Unbelievable.
>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
>
>]

> Awwww Cato, dont feel left out....Come out to California, and I

>
> But, dont bring your horse, I dont think the restaurant will

>
> Vale,
>
> Sulla
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gaiusequitiuscato
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 10:45 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Note on animal sacrifice--Pax! Pax! Pax

>
>
> G. Equitius Cato F. Galerio AurelianoS.P.D.
>
> salve, Galerius Aurelianus.
>
> OK, I'm seeing a recurring oversight here. Everyone gets to

> Cato, but then, when it comes time for the wine to get poured,
> where's Cato? Nowhere to be found. Does anybody offer CATO

> and olive oil (mmmmm...olive oil....) Nope. As usual. Fine.

> horse and I are going to get Chinese takeout and THEN you'll be
> sorry. Hmph.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
> Who likes Chinese food better anyways. Sort of. OK, not

> but there's a Point To Be Made here.
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a... wrote:
> > Citizens,
> >
> > Do we always have to take this route?
> >
> > This is a disgusting practice & you are a barbarian.
> > You are intolerant and don't understand anything.
> > Your stance is the height of folly and cruelty.
> > Your stance is the height of intolerance and arrogance.
> > Animal Killer!
> > Goat Lover!
> > Bastard!
> > Stupid Git!
> > Obscene gesture!!!
> > Obscene gesture returned!!!
> >
> > I prefer--
> >
> > Maxima Messalina is entitled to her opinion and it is totally
> correct for her.
> > Sicinius Drusus is entitled to her opinion and it is totally
> appropriate for
> > him.
> > They don't agree.
> > Drusus, do not invite Maxima Messalina to the sacrifice of a

> dog to
> > Robiligo.
> > Messalina, it is not a good idea to invite Drusus to the
> vegetarian luncheon
> > sponsored by Democrats for PETA.
> > Both of you can come to my pavilion and drink wine of Limnos &
> enjoy some
> > bread and olive oil.
> >
> > F. Galerius Aurelianus
> > Flamen Cerealis
> > Proponent of peaceful disagreement on the Nova Roma ML
> >
> >
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> Salvete,
>
> I couldn't read the original post without keeping something of a

>
> I think when each of us joined Nova Roma, we came with a dream. I

>
> Knowing, then, how much we disagree, not to undermine the Peace

>
> Perhaps my age makes me naive. Perhaps I'm just trying to keep up

>
> Valete,
>
> Quintus Caecilius Metellus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
Last year I took
> an six month fast from all all meat, and became a vegitarian
(although not a
> vegan, but I do drink soy milk over cow's milk and I only eat eggs
from time to
> time) for half the year. I fast from meat several times a week,
all to honor
> Pomona; the Goddess I am dedicated to.
>
> Out of respect for your convictions I personally have no desire to
debate
> with you the issue of sacrifice. I do not believe Pomona requires
me to offer
> animal sacrifice. I believe she is pleased with the wine, incense,
and apples
> that I offer to Her. If for some reason I believe she demands
otherwise then I
> will seek to do what it takes to please her and do my part to
maintain the
> Pax Deorum, but for now the wine, incense, and apples shall be
sufficient.
>
> You have strong beliefs, and for that you have my respect even
though we do
> not share a mutual belief. I commend you in your efforts to help
bring an end
> to suffering, and to do some compassionate work.
>
> Valete;
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius
> Flamen Pomonalis
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>AVETE PROPRAETORES EVROPAEI
>
>Now every European Provincia has again a Propraetor.
>Therefore the Cohors of Aedilis Curulis Marcus Iulius
>Perusianus submits to you (that is the second time for
>some of you) the "Pactum de Convento Novae Romae" (see
>attached file).
>We hope in this way to strengthen the Nova Roma Rally
>in Europe.
>We welcome any question concerning this text.
>
>Let me know if you agree to undersign this Pactum.
>
>Thank you very much!
>
>OPTIME VALETE
>Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
>pro Aedilis Marcus Iulius Perusianus

> Salvete Quirites!
>
> I have been waiting for Curule Aedile Marcus Julius Perusianus and
> his Scriba Manius Constantinus Serapio to return from different

> before I told the last part of the "Pactum story". Now both of

> are back and I can add a last detail to the story. Rogator Aulus
> Apollonius Cordus and the former Propraetor of Germania Marcus
> Marcius Rex already has shown that the Pactum is legal and that

> things has been done before (the Limes project).
>
> But if I just add one more thing I think everything will be clear

> crystall. The Pactum was sent to me by the staff of Curule Aedile
> Marcus Julius Perusianus and it was discussed shortly among the

> and the European Governors. I got the impression that Curule

> Gaius Iulius Scaurus also was informed and positive. The

> to sign the Pactum (agreement) was sent to me as an attachment

> to an email. I just wrote the edictum and then I published it and
> added the Pactum at its end. All this was what the Pactum

> but if I had forseen the coming reaction (which partly was not
> constructive at all) I would have added the text from the e-mail

> then no one could have thought that I did anything wrong.
>
> So here is the invitation to end this story:
>
> At 17.07 -0700 04-06-30, mcserapio wrote:
> >AVETE PROPRAETORES EVROPAEI
> >
> >Now every European Provincia has again a Propraetor.
> >Therefore the Cohors of Aedilis Curulis Marcus Iulius
> >Perusianus submits to you (that is the second time for
> >some of you) the "Pactum de Convento Novae Romae" (see
> >attached file).
> >We hope in this way to strengthen the Nova Roma Rally
> >in Europe.
> >We welcome any question concerning this text.
> >
> >Let me know if you agree to undersign this Pactum.
> >
> >Thank you very much!
> >
> >OPTIME VALETE
> >Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
> >pro Aedilis Marcus Iulius Perusianus
>
> The Pactum will now be approved in the Senate, at least I hope so,
> and this strange discussion will be over. The Pactum itself

> will probably ensure that we will have one well organised live

> in Europe, supported by all European Provinciae, each year. As

> all citizens of Nova Roma both in Europe, Asia, Australia, Afrika,
> North and South America will be invited as this is an All-Nova

> Rally but located in in Europe. As during its beginning the Curule
> Aedile will be important to the execution of the Rally.
> --
>
> Vale
>
> Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
> Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
> Proconsul Thules
> Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
> Civis Romanus sum
> ************************************************
> Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
> "I'll either find a way or make one"
> ************************************************
> Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
> Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

> Ave
>
> Speaking of gatherings and get together, yesterday evening the

> Urbs gathered at 9.30 pm at the Tiberine Island to enjoy an

> dinner having as a background scenery the rests of the Sulplicius

>
> Of the 8 Cives of the Oppidum, 5 were present including both

> Quirinus Albanus (The re-enactor of the group) and Domitius

> Fuscus, the Aedilis Plebis Marcus Iulius Perusianus and his wife,

> Pulcra, and the new member Marcus Quirinus Sulla. Also present

> and friends of the above mentioned cives, for a total of 8 people

> different decades of ages, which I consider a great thing per se.,

> married and unmarried people, both genders in a reasonable ratio (3

> patricians and plebeians, international and local magistrates and

> international touch and accent given by Fuscus' German girlfriend.
>
> As the modernists were (truly, unhappily, as the modernists are

> less modernists than they are painted) welcomed by the lack of

> Religio practioners, if any had been present, would had been happy

> dinner was started with the invocatio bacchi held by the host of

> Professor Nicastro, former manager, but still historical

> of the famed and sadly short lived reconstructunist restaurant

> Sodalitas Coq & Coq might like to try to get him to join their

>
> The Mulsum (wine and honey) used for the invocatio was (relatively)

> followed by:
> - a gustaticium composed by various dried fruits , but started, as

> with a boiled egg
> - three different kind of buns following two recipes from Cato and

> a poem by Virgilius
> - a green dense soup of peas and farrum
> - a lagana with vegetables (a kind of lasagna)
> - sampling of calf's feet
> - a kind of mashed bread with cheese and an unrecognized vegetable
> - melon in garum and honey sauce
> - chicken in honey
> - lamb at the partian way
> - carrots in garum sauce
> - strawberries in garum and pepper
> - an unidentified cake made with vegetables
> - ribes with honey
>
> The whole thing with modern wine, as the good old roman wine is

> found, eaten with the help of a Coclea (except the lamb that was

> roman way, using the hands) and with prof. Nicastro, perfect host

> evening, explaining to the ones who were at their first experience

> of the various recipes and the classical text in which they were

>
> Not to give the impression that the cives urbis were there just to

> dinner (which indeed was the case, but we like to pretend we were

> serious stuff as well), discussions flowered along the round table

> by a precious bronze copy of the statue of the "old satyr" (the

> in the Capitoline museums) about Nova Roma in general and Roman

> history, the idea of organizing one or two international meetings

> year and the details of the guided tours to the less touristically

> monuments we'll start organizing in Septemebr, the possible

> the cives to a roman re-enactment week-end organized in North Italy

> things.
>
> Eventually, more than 3 hours after they had first sat down at the

> cives, partners, friends trotted, happily and definitely heavier

> came, back home. As Marcus Quirinus Sulla was so kind to bring his

> him we *might* have pictures of the event that we *might* publish,

> curious about it.
>
> Note to self and to the colleague Aedilis: never organizing such a

> the day after it's a normal working dayÂ… argh.
>
> valete
>
> Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
> PF Constantinia
> Aedilis Urbis

> G. Equitius Cato F. Galerio AurelianoS.P.D.
>
> salve, Galerius Aurelianus.
>
> OK, I'm seeing a recurring oversight here. Everyone gets to poke
> Cato, but then, when it comes time for the wine to get poured,
> where's Cato? Nowhere to be found. Does anybody offer CATO bread
> and olive oil (mmmmm...olive oil....) Nope. As usual. Fine. The
> horse and I are going to get Chinese takeout and THEN you'll be
> sorry. Hmph.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
> Who likes Chinese food better anyways. Sort of. OK, not really,
> but there's a Point To Be Made here.
>

> > Salve Maxima Valeria;
> as another vegan, I must tell you this tiresome argument never

> but so far there is only one active sacrificing civis in NR & leave
> it at that...But for our own edification there is Pythagoras, Numa,
> and Apollonius of Tyana.
> You know as well as I that if most people had to kill, skin,
> evicerate an animal for their meal they would be sick and unable to
> do it.

> Salve Maxima;
> as you see this post from the Religio Romana List is from Thursday
>July 31, 2003. Now according
>to Scaurus it is an offense to speak against animal sacrifice...I do
>not see this as a positive way forward.
> I was a sacerdos Magnae
>Matris but thrown out for my pro-vegetable, wine sacrifice views.
>
>

> Others with the same view are not admitted as well, the Pontifex
>Maximus is against animal sacrifice as well.
> The Religio should have flamens,sacerdotes and pontifeces
>expressing both views.
> bene vale in amore deorum
> M. Arminia Maior Fabiana
>
>

> You still chose to speak out against the CP, it's policies and

> in your role as a sacerdos, and like any "employer" who had an

> making public statments against them would, we fired you. Don't

> the issues please.
>
> > Others with the same view are not admitted as well, the Pontifex
> >Maximus is against animal sacrifice as well.
> > The Religio should have flamens,sacerdotes and pontifeces
> >expressing both views.
> > bene vale in amore deorum
> > M. Arminia Maior Fabiana
> >
> >
> > Pontifex et Minervae Aedis Sacerdos

----- Original Message -----
From: Maxima
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Sacrifice Fund



"L. Cornelius Sulla" <alexious@...> wrote:
Animals do not hold any rights. If they did....and one kills another....does that mean the animal that killed goes to jail?

There is logic missing from your arguement, Maxima, and that is probably because you are to emotionally involved. Please take a step back and reflect a bit. Because, animals have no rights.

Vale,

Sulla

Oh, but they do. You may wish they didn't. That would make it so much easier to perform animal sacrifices. But this is not ancient Rome. This is the USA and in this country, animals have rights and are protected by laws.

I don't mean to insult anyone's beliefs. Believe whatever you want but you have not the right to impose your beliefs on another. Of course, you wouldn't try that with another person because they can speak up and defend themselves. Animals cannot, but that does not mean they are without their defenders. It is you who should reflect on what I am saying. I am just pointing out a fact: in this country, animals have rights and they have their defenders. That's all.

Maxima Valeria Messallina



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>Salve;
> I had no idea that the Collegium Pontificum was my 'employer' I
>thought I served the goddess.
>
>

> But in any event I believe that public discussion even dissension
>is healthy, why shouldn't there be a variety of points of view in
>the Collegium Pontificium?
>
>

> vale
> M. Arminia Maior Fabiana
>
>
>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Maior" <rory12001@...>
]



> perhaps a more happy solution for this endless and intractable
> issue that makes all followers of the Religio miserable
>
> Would be to have the Collegium Pontificum evenly divided between
> followers of let us call it the "Numidian" rite and those who follow
> the path of Animal sacrifice.
> Then there would be sacerdotes and flamens supervised by like-
> minded pontifeces and all of us would be represented.

But I, for one, have absolutely no wish to be represented by anyone who, in
essence, is trying to force their will on the Gods instead of complying with
the God's will for us.

Flavia Lucilla Merula

> You want a job in the Tabularium? Are you mad? You couldn't do that
> job on your own. A team of navvies would be hard pressed to carry all
> the laws around. At the very least you need to borrow Cato's horse
> and hook him up to a very large waggon, unless you want a hernia.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@y...> wrote:
> Salve Hadriane;
> perhaps a more happy solution for this endless and intractable
> issue that makes all followers of the Religio miserable
>
> Would be to have the Collegium Pontificum evenly divided between
> followers of let us call it the "Numidian" rite and those who follow
> the path of Animal sacrifice.
> Then there would be sacerdotes and flamens supervised by like-
> minded pontifeces and all of us would be represented.
> Also the Collegium could discuss issues publicly so the cives and
> followers could be informed and understand what is going on.
> It is a real problem with the growth of the Religio and I for one
> think this might prove a very happy solution.
> bene vale in pace deorum
> Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana

----- Original Message -----
From: John Dobbins
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 11:20 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Fwd: RE: The meaning of sacrifice Re: [[ReligioRomana]


No

For the same reason that serious institutions concerned with Geology,
Biology, and Cosmology don't set half of their postions aside for
proponants of Creationism, though I will give the creationists this
much, at least they have more to back up their claims than you do.

L. Sicinius Drusus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@y...> wrote:
> Salve Hadriane;
> perhaps a more happy solution for this endless and intractable
> issue that makes all followers of the Religio miserable
>
> Would be to have the Collegium Pontificum evenly divided between
> followers of let us call it the "Numidian" rite and those who follow
> the path of Animal sacrifice.
> Then there would be sacerdotes and flamens supervised by like-
> minded pontifeces and all of us would be represented.
> Also the Collegium could discuss issues publicly so the cives and
> followers could be informed and understand what is going on.
> It is a real problem with the growth of the Religio and I for one
> think this might prove a very happy solution.
> bene vale in pace deorum
> Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana


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> Is this like, NASA setting aside half of their offices for

>
> Vale,
>
> Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
> ----- Original Message -----
>

> I suggest you and others read Pontifex Gryllus's references to King
> Numa the founder of the Religio who forbade blood sacrifice.
> Cicero, Republica 2.28, Tusuculum 4.3; Livy 1.18. 40.29-14;
> Dionysius of Halcarnassus 2.59; Plutarch, Numa 18; Ovid,
> Metamorphoses 15.4.481, Fasti 3.153; Pliny, Natural History XIII.87

> Salve Cato,
>
> Don't feel bad. If you're ever in Cincinnati you are more than
> welcome to come to my villa for bread, olive oil & wine. After

> evil people have to stick together (at least until we can eliminate
> the competition) :)
>
> Vale,
>
> Agrippina
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato"
> <mlcinnyc@y...> wrote:
> > G. Equitius Cato F. Galerio AurelianoS.P.D.
> >
> > salve, Galerius Aurelianus.
> >
> > OK, I'm seeing a recurring oversight here. Everyone gets to poke
> > Cato, but then, when it comes time for the wine to get poured,
> > where's Cato? Nowhere to be found. Does anybody offer CATO

> > and olive oil (mmmmm...olive oil....) Nope. As usual. Fine.

> > horse and I are going to get Chinese takeout and THEN you'll be
> > sorry. Hmph.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> > Who likes Chinese food better anyways. Sort of. OK, not really,
> > but there's a Point To Be Made here.
> >

> I suggest you and others read Pontifex Gryllus's references to King
> Numa the founder of the Religio who forbade blood sacrifice.

> Is this like, NASA setting aside half of their offices for
> proponets of UFO life?

> But I, for one, have absolutely no wish to be represented by anyone who, in
> essence, is trying to force their will on the Gods instead of complying with
> the God's will for us.

----- Original Message -----
From: Kaelus Iulius
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 2:14 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Note on animal sacrifice--Pax! Pax! Pax et Concordia.


Yes, I second that. Anytime you're in Cincinnati, inform one of us
and we'll call a regional meeting. We could even find a horse-
friendly restaurant, Cato.

This also applies to any cive who happens to be in the SW Ohio area.
Just let me, Aggrippina, Metellus Postumianius, or Athanasius know. I
meant, the meeting and dinner part. Not the horse part. Umm... yeah.


-Kaelus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Agrippina Modia Aurelia"
<whiterose13.geo@y...> wrote:
> Salve Cato,
>
> Don't feel bad. If you're ever in Cincinnati you are more than
> welcome to come to my villa for bread, olive oil & wine. After
all,
> evil people have to stick together (at least until we can eliminate
> the competition) :)
>
> Vale,
>
> Agrippina
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato"
> <mlcinnyc@y...> wrote:
> > G. Equitius Cato F. Galerio AurelianoS.P.D.
> >
> > salve, Galerius Aurelianus.
> >
> > OK, I'm seeing a recurring oversight here. Everyone gets to poke
> > Cato, but then, when it comes time for the wine to get poured,
> > where's Cato? Nowhere to be found. Does anybody offer CATO
bread
> > and olive oil (mmmmm...olive oil....) Nope. As usual. Fine.
The
> > horse and I are going to get Chinese takeout and THEN you'll be
> > sorry. Hmph.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> > Who likes Chinese food better anyways. Sort of. OK, not really,
> > but there's a Point To Be Made here.
> >


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