Salve

Thank you Apulus Caesar, most useful.. I had already started to loose
track :)

Good luck to you, btw.

vale,

Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
Aedilis Urbis
PF Constantinia
Candidate for Tribunus Plebis

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "FAC" <sacro_barese_impero@l...>
wrote:

>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> I created and published a page with the full list of the candidates
> for the next elections. Please visit
> http://www.novaroma.org/election/2757/ and look for your candidate.
>
> Please send me corrections and questions. I'll update the page

daily.

>
> Valete
> Fr. Apulus Caesar

Salve Tiberius, Salve Modius,

Tiberius said:
<I reserve my right to pronounce intercession based on the time of the last <official announcement of the Comitia Tributa and not on >the first one by <Tribune Faustus which is now in dispute.

Are you pronouncing intercessio or are you just saying that you are reserving you're right to do so?

Modius said:

<I support the Rogators on this.

Which Rogator are you supporting? Rogator C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix who provided L. Arminius Faustus with the first (now disputed) results? Or are you supporting Rogator Galerius who is disputing those results and has said that the lex didn't pass?

Valete,

Diana






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Diana:

I support Rogator Galerius Aurelianus because he posted his findings
himself. Rogator Hadrianus did not actually report, Tribune Faustus made the report.

I would like for the Rogators to get everything together, and both of them
issue a joint statement.

If the Rogators do not come up with a joint statement then I am inclined to
support the report by Galerius Aurelianus -- since Hadrianus has not directly
communicated the results.

Ultimately if both Rogators do not resolve this issue I think it wise for a
new vote to be taken.

I hope that clarifies my position.

Vale;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 12/1/2004 6:55:40 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
joanne_amodea@... writes:

Salve Tiberius, Salve Modius,

Tiberius said:
the first one by <Tribune Faustus which is now in dispute.

Are you pronouncing intercessio or are you just saying that you are
reserving you're right to do so?

Modius said:


Which Rogator are you supporting? Rogator C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix who
provided L. Arminius Faustus with the first (now disputed) results? Or are you
supporting Rogator Galerius who is disputing those results and has said that
the lex didn't pass?

Valete,

Diana





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...is inspiring me to try to throw a party!

How many citizens live in the Southwestern/South US (I am in Austin,
TX) and would like to try to get together? I don't have any plans at
this point (maybe a potluck?) I just want to do something social.

vale bene,
Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia

Salvete Gai Modi et quirites;
here Arnamentia Moravia's reply.

- In ReligioRomana@yahoogroups.com, "Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia"
<arnamentia_aurelia@y...> wrote:

> Maior you seemed to have missed something here.

I don't think that Marca Arminia ever made the suggestion that we
reserve positions in the religio for citizens in or near Rome. What I
heard was that IF you want to use strict reconstructionism as an
excuse for not allowing female pontifices, you must also adopt other
aspects of strict reconstructionism. (Marca Arminia, please correct
me if I have misinterpreted you.)

> But unless you quit harping the more inclined a human being is to

be resistant to your demands and the more prolonged the issue will
be.

This is NOT the best way to make decisions where the religio is
concerned. I hope that I am not the only one who objects to it,
especially if we are aiming for an accurate baseline. Implying that
any action toward resolution will be postponed simply because some
here are annoyed at some others here bothers me. Can we not try to
keep the will of the Gods in mind?

Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia
--- End forwarded message ---

Salvete omnes

It would be difficult to find someone more dedicated and hard working
than Caius Curius Saturninus. If I was a plebeian he could count on
my vote. I believe that the work that he is doing for the Academia
Thules, as well as his role in the creation of that institution,
speak for themselves as to his dedication to and vision of Nova Roma.


Lucius Cornelius Cicero
Interpreter
Candidate for Quaestor

l_c_cicer@...



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caius Curius Saturninus
<c.curius@w...> wrote:

> Salvete omnes,
>
> I come here today in my white toga. I hereby announce that I am
> candidating as Tribunus Plebis in the elections of this year. You

have

> supported me as Quaestor and now I ask your support again!
>
> I am candidating because I believe I would be a good tribune as I

have

> experience, perspective and personal qualities suitable for the

post

> and as tribuneship is next logical step in my Cursus Honorum.
>
> I have served as assistant at every level of NR administration
> (excluding naturally the Senate), for Aediles, for Praetor, for
> Consules and for Censor as well as in provincial level and in
> sodalitates. I have been citizen long enough to understand the
> diversity and uniqueness of Nova Roma. I'm paterfamilias of Gens

Curia.

>
> As a tribune I would protect the rights of the plebeians. For me to
> protect the plebeians means to protect the state and to work to
> increase its stability.
>
> More information about my qualifications, goals and about me in

general

> can be found at the webpage:
>
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/saturninus_for_tribune
>
> You are most welcome to ask anything!
>
> Valete,
>
>
> Caius Curius Saturninus
>
> Quaestor
> Legatus Regionis Finnicae
> Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
> Praeses et Triumvir Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et

Nova

>
> e-mail: c.curius@a...
> www.insulaumbra.com/regiofinnica
> www.academiathules.org
> gsm: +358-50-3315279
> fax: +358-9-8754751
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

G. Popillius Laenas Arnamentiae Moraviae Aureliae salutem dicit.

Salve you can see a list of all the civies in your Province at:

http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/provincia?provid=A-AW


The list shows the State, but unfortunately not the city.

Vale.



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia"
<arnamentia_aurelia@y...> wrote:

>
> ...is inspiring me to try to throw a party!
>
> How many citizens live in the Southwestern/South US (I am in Austin,
> TX) and would like to try to get together? I don't have any plans at
> this point (maybe a potluck?) I just want to do something social.
>
> vale bene,
> Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia

Maior;

I wasn't asking for Arnamentia to respond...I was asking for YOU to respond.

Athanasius

In a message dated 12/1/2004 8:52:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rory12001@... writes:


Salvete Gai Modi et quirites;
here Arnamentia Moravia's reply.

- In ReligioRomana@yahoogroups.com, "Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia"
<arnamentia_aurelia@y...> wrote:

> Maior you seemed to have missed something here.

I don't think that Marca Arminia ever made the suggestion that we
reserve positions in the religio for citizens in or near Rome. What I
heard was that IF you want to use strict reconstructionism as an
excuse for not allowing female pontifices, you must also adopt other
aspects of strict reconstructionism. (Marca Arminia, please correct
me if I have misinterpreted you.)

> But unless you quit harping the more inclined a human being is to

be resistant to your demands and the more prolonged the issue will
be.

This is NOT the best way to make decisions where the religio is
concerned. I hope that I am not the only one who objects to it,
especially if we are aiming for an accurate baseline. Implying that
any action toward resolution will be postponed simply because some
here are annoyed at some others here bothers me. Can we not try to
keep the will of the Gods in mind?

Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia
--- End forwarded message ---





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Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus M. Arminiae Fabianae s.d.

You know, Maior Fabiana, I wish I could understand what the point is
of your continual forwarding of messages here. Quite frankly, if the
Quirites really want to know what is being said on the Religio list,
they are all certainly free to subscribe and look for themselves. The
very fact that they are not is a clear enough statement to me that
they are not interested. But perhaps that's just my applying common
sense to a situation again.

Vale,

Quintus Caecilius Metellus

F. Galerius Aurelianus Rogator S.P.D.

I would like to notify the citizens of Nova Roma that my post disputing the most recent election was not meant for the ML. I do not know how I ended up emailing it to the ML but I take full responsibility for this action. I did not intend for this matter to become a public issue involving anyone but my fellow Rogatores and I wish to assure the Senate and People of Nova Roma that Consul Marinus, the Tribunes, and my fellow Rogator Hadrianus Felix are working to resolve this dispute.

Valete.


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Salve F. Galeri,

Thanks for letting us know. Do not worry, you are not the first
person to mail to the wrong list nor will you be the last. The way
Yahoo is set up makes this very easy to do. This sort of thing
happens to the best of us!

Regards,

QLP

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@a... wrote:
> F. Galerius Aurelianus Rogator S.P.D.
>
> I would like to notify the citizens of Nova Roma that my post
disputing the most recent election was not meant for the ML. I do
not know how I ended up emailing it to the ML but I take full
responsibility for this action. I did not intend for this matter to
become a public issue involving anyone but my fellow Rogatores and I
wish to assure the Senate and People of Nova Roma that Consul
Marinus, the Tribunes, and my fellow Rogator Hadrianus Felix are
working to resolve this dispute.
>
> Valete.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete;

I have full confidence in our Rogators.

Valete;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 12/1/2004 10:33:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
PADRUIGTHEUNCLE@... writes:

F. Galerius Aurelianus Rogator S.P.D.

I would like to notify the citizens of Nova Roma that my post disputing the
most recent election was not meant for the ML. I do not know how I ended up
emailing it to the ML but I take full responsibility for this action. I did
not intend for this matter to become a public issue involving anyone but my
fellow Rogatores and I wish to assure the Senate and People of Nova Roma that
Consul Marinus, the Tribunes, and my fellow Rogator Hadrianus Felix are
working to resolve this dispute.

Valete.





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Salvete,

Many thanks for the wonderful support I have had right after the
declaration of my candidacy! I'm especially honoured by recieving
compliments from my fellow candidate Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana! I
really hope I could fulfill all the trust and expectations if I am
elected. You all have my support also.

Valete,

On 30.11.2004, at 23:06, Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com wrote:
> AVETE OMNES
>
> Let me express my full and strong support for the candidacy of Caius
> Curius Saturninus to the office of Tribunus Plebis.
> I deem Saturninus to be one of the most deserving citizens of Nova
> Roma, one of those who is really giving a lot for the success of the
> Republic. He is a fair and serious person, and I could not imagine a
> better Tribune for Nova Roma!
>
> Vote Saturninus for Tribunus Plebis!
>
> OPTIME VALETE
> Manius Constantinus Serapio
> Propraetor Italiae
>

> Salvete omnes;
> I'm running for Tribune too, but with cumulative voting; vote for
> both of us:)!
> Caius Curius Saturninus is one great guy, seldom online but a
> loyal friend, a moderate, attending all of the European Rallys and
> meeting other Nova Romani face to face; a doer.
> The guy who with Caeso Fabius Quintilianus brought us the
> fabulous Academia Thules, giving us all those free courses in
> History, Latin, the Religio....
> He is just the kind of person you'd want as Tribune Plebis, a
> scholar of Roman History pursuing his M.A at Turku Unversity in
> Finland, who understands the importance of his duty to the Plebs.
>
> So since Saturninus isn't the type to blow his own horn; I'll do it
> for him!
> bene valete in pace deorum
> Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana
> Propraetrix Hiberniae
> caput Officina Iuriis
> et Investigatio CFQ

> Salvete omnes
>
> It would be difficult to find someone more dedicated and hard working
> than Caius Curius Saturninus. If I was a plebeian he could count on
> my vote. I believe that the work that he is doing for the Academia
> Thules, as well as his role in the creation of that institution,
> speak for themselves as to his dedication to and vision of Nova Roma.
>
>
> Lucius Cornelius Cicero
> Interpreter
> Candidate for Quaestor
>
> l_c_cicer@...
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> I must comment at this point that I am very happy with the roster of
> all the candidates for political office who have stepped up to the
> plate thus far. All of them have two things in common that I can
> easily observe:
>
> 1) Unquestionable interest and dedication to Nova Roma.
>
> 2) They are doers and men and women of action.
>
> These two attributes are the most important for building Nova Roma
> and / or helping her to survive in my opinion. I urge our citizens to
> think with their heads this election and not their hearts or emotions.
> Some of us may have had our tiffs, differences or even personality
> conflicts with the people running but in my opinion common sense
> should prevail in our decisions and never our personal feelings or
> petti-quarrels. Action is what counts; not who is Mr. or Miss
> congeniality in our books.
>
> Best of luck to all!
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
> Propraetor - Canada Occidentalis


Caius Curius Saturninus

Quaestor
Legatus Regionis Finnicae
Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
Praeses et Triumvir Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.insulaumbra.com/regiofinnica
www.academiathules.org
gsm: +358-50-3315279
fax: +358-9-8754751

> I created and published a page with the full list of the

candidates

> for the next elections. Please visit
> http://www.novaroma.org/election/2757/ and look for your candidate.
>
> Please send me corrections and questions. I'll update the page

daily.

This is a great thing to have available to everyone, but please
could you put my statement up, as currently it says there is no page
to display. Thanks :)

Good luck with your candidacy!

Livia

In a message dated 12/1/04 4:54:35 AM Pacific Standard Time,
arnamentia_aurelia@... writes:

> ...is inspiring me to try to throw a party!

That's a great idea, and very Roman.

>
> How many citizens live in the Southwestern/South US (I am in Austin,
> TX) and would like to try to get together? I don't have any plans at
> this point (maybe a potluck?) I just want to do something social.
>

I wish you good fortune in doing this, Moravia

Q. Fabius Maximus


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Salvete Arnamentia Moravia omnesque;
me too! Armed with your honey cookie recipies I'm trying to get
the Hiberni to come on out for a Saturnalia get-together!
bene valete
M. Arminia Maior Fabiana
Propraetrix Hiberniae
caput Officina Iuriis
et Investigatio CFQ


- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, QFabiusMaxmi@a... wrote:

> In a message dated 12/1/04 4:54:35 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> arnamentia_aurelia@y... writes:
>
> > ...is inspiring me to try to throw a party!
>
>
>

> Could something be done to raise money for America Boreoccidentalis

Well, the first and most obvious thing is that each year the province
is entitled to half of the tax revenue paid by its citizens - the
provincial governor would have to ask me (or Marinus) for it,
though. The amount this would raise obviously depends on how many
citizens in the province paid their taxes this year, which is
information I don't have to hand at the minute.

Livia

I've been a citizen since about August and I was just wondering about a few things that I've read in some of the messages that have been posted. Someone mentioned taxes and I have no clue as to who I would pay taxes to or how much in taxes I should pay. I have looked everywhere on the website, but haven't seen anything about it. Also, I believe I'm listed in the wrong province. I just do not know to whom I should ask about these things.
Valete,
Valeria Metella
(a very confused new citizen)

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Salve Apule Caesar,

And thank you for your work ;-)

May I remind you, though, that from January 1st 2005 rogatores will not be
"election judges" as stated but will be responsible among other things for
citizenship approvals as per Lex Equitia de Vigintisexviris. The role of the
election bean counters will be the responsability of the diribitores.

Many thanks

C. Moravius L A


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Salvete Gai Modi Quinte Caecili;

I posted Arnamentia Moravia's reply as she also is a sacerdos and it
is nice to hear from another quarter, but her answer is exactly mine.

As for you Metelle, I posted it here as the pontifices Maximus and
Drusus were making official comments and yes, a number of people
don't know about the Religio List.

One point of nomenclature, please call me Arminia Maior or Marca
Arminia, or even Arminia;)...my friend Cordus will be pleased as
well! He's the one that taught me.
bene valete
M. Arminia Maior Fabiana
Propraetrix Hiberniae
caput Officina Iuriis
et Investigatio CFQ


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:

>
> Maior;
>
> I wasn't asking for Arnamentia to respond...I was asking for YOU

to respond.

>
> Athanasius
>
> In a message dated 12/1/2004 8:52:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> rory12001@y... writes:
>
>
>

Salvete all,

I hereby announce my candidacy for Praetor.

I have been around Nova Roma since May of 1999 when we were still in our infancy. The office that I am most proud of holding in Nova Roma was as Tribune during 2003. I had difficulties in my personal life that year (four deaths in the family) but I still managed to have time to write a Tribune's handbook and write two leges which were a direct reflection of what the Plebeians wanted at that time.

Just like I was an unbiased Tribune, never looking as to who was the author of a leges or an edicta but instead viewing it through the eyes of the people and the Constitution, if elected I will be an unbiased Praetor.

I was born in Brooklyn NYC in 1961 and am very proud of my Sicilian heritage. I now live in Belgium. I work as a UK targeter for IBM. Religiously speaking I find it difficult these days to put myself into any mold so I now consider myself an agnostic, finding truths in many religions and feeling at home in both a Catholic church as well as in a Pagan Circle.

Valete,
Diana Octavia Aventina


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cornelianus

immaculo@... wrote:
I've been a citizen since about August and I was just wondering about a few things that I've read in some of the messages that have been posted. Someone mentioned taxes and I have no clue as to who I would pay taxes to or how much in taxes I should pay. I have looked everywhere on the website, but haven't seen anything about it. Also, I believe I'm listed in the wrong province. I just do not know to whom I should ask about these things.
Valete,
Valeria Metella
(a very confused new citizen)

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M IVL PERVSIANVS DIANAE OCTAVIAE AVENTINAE QVIRITIBVSQVE SPD

salve Diana,

I must admit that you have really surprised me! Not that I was thinking that you wouldn't have presented for a magistracy in the future... but, at least, that you would have waited for some more time ;-)

Some more time since your resignation earlier this year, when you were Quaestor working with me on the Aedelician Fund for the Magna Mater Project. The reasons? your business, I didn't care.

Here your message to the Quirites, when you said << I will forward my last financial spreadsheet to M Iulius as soon as possible since I have no quarrel with him and do not wish to cause even the slightest disruption to his Magna Mater project.>>:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/25543

My first request to have the spreadsheet:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/25778

My second one:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/26013

Not considering private messages from me and members of my Cohors.

We MUST say that you never gave us those information, my Cohors did never receive that data, the only link you provided was simply empty.
Again: <<..do not wish to cause even the slightest disruption to his Magna Mater project.>>

but you did!

I might ask to write here as witness some members of the Aedilian Cohors as C Curius Saturninus, Pompeia Cornelia or the new Quaestor Laureatus Armoricus (elected to replace the office YOU left): we have wasted hours trying to figure the list out, names of the Magna Mater donators, what that they gave, dates, figures.

All this work could be simply avoided if you only sent the spreadsheet to us, instead of saying that you had lost it (mmm, very professional for a Quaestor who was elected to check the Aedilician Fund: to have not a single backup!).

I am not beginning a war with this, Diana, probably I'm not going to reply back. Only, I think, that that was not very serious and kind of you.

I was silent at that time, I can't be now that you are presenting your candidacy as a magistrate in Nova Roma.

Today, BEFORE reading your candidacy in the ml, I was preparing and thinking to post soon MY candidacy as Praetor.
I had only another control to do before, which was to check if today were a die fastus or nefastus.
----> http://www.novaroma.org/bin/calendar/cal?year=2004&month=12

I'm going to present my candidacy later ;-)
valete
M·IVL·PERVSIANVS
-------------------------
Aedilis Curulis
Vicarius Propraetoris Provinciae Italiae
Magister Academiae Italicae
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http://www.insulaumbra.com/aediles/perusianus
http://www.geocities.com/m_iulius
http://italia.novaroma.org
http://italia.novaroma.org/signaromanorum
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OLIM HORTA CIDESTI FIDEM IGNOTAM
From: Joanne Amodea <joanne_amodea@y...>
Date: Wed Dec 1, 2004 9:18 pm
Subject: Candidate for Praetor

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Salvete all,
I hereby announce my candidacy for Praetor.
I have been around Nova Roma since May of 1999 when we were still in our
infancy. The office that I am most proud of holding in Nova Roma was as Tribune
during 2003. I had difficulties in my personal life that year (four deaths in
the family) but I still managed to have time to write a Tribune's handbook and
write two leges which were a direct reflection of what the Plebeians wanted at
that time.
Just like I was an unbiased Tribune, never looking as to who was the author of a
leges or an edicta but instead viewing it through the eyes of the people and the
Constitution, if elected I will be an unbiased Praetor.
I was born in Brooklyn NYC in 1961 and am very proud of my Sicilian heritage. I
now live in Belgium. I work as a UK targeter for IBM. Religiously speaking I
find it difficult these days to put myself into any mold so I now consider
myself an agnostic, finding truths in many religions and feeling at home in both
a Catholic church as well as in a Pagan Circle.
Valete,
Diana Octavia Aventina





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Salvete, Omnes:

I, Quintus Bianchius Rufinus, declare my candidacy for the office of
Quaestor.

I am 33 years old, and have been a citizen of Nova Roma since May
2003. I hold a Bachelor's Degree in Accounting, and have experience
in small business as an accountant, tracking the finances, and
generating financial reports. As an accountant, I aided in the
startup of a small business. I beleive that I am an organized, and
effecient hard worker, and I would like to offer these services to
our Republic in the capacity of Quaestor. I would like to serve Nova
Roma, and am asking for your vote.

Bene Valete:

Quintus Bianchius Rufinus

While I do not know Quintus Bianchius it is good to see the Bianchia
becoming more active in Nova Roma. If Quintus Bianchius is half the man that Marcus
Bianchius Antonius is [and I'm confident that he is] then he has my vote.

Valete;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 12/1/2004 9:31:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
QBRufinus@... writes:

Salvete, Omnes:

I, Quintus Bianchius Rufinus, declare my candidacy for the office of
Quaestor.

I am 33 years old, and have been a citizen of Nova Roma since May
2003. I hold a Bachelor's Degree in Accounting, and have experience
in small business as an accountant, tracking the finances, and
generating financial reports. As an accountant, I aided in the
startup of a small business. I beleive that I am an organized, and
effecient hard worker, and I would like to offer these services to
our Republic in the capacity of Quaestor. I would like to serve Nova
Roma, and am asking for your vote.

Bene Valete:

Quintus Bianchius Rufinus






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Salvete omnes,

I would like the opportunity to voice my support for Procurator Gaius
Vipsanius Agrippa's bid to run for the office of Tribune. Gaius is
one of the few Nova Romans I have met in person and he has dedicated
much time and effort in helping build the infrastructure of the
province of Canada Occidentalis as well as helping to pay for our
geocities website from his own pocket. Much of this was done whilst
he was on the other side of the world in Japan on a teaching
assignment not allowing such isolation to thwart the duties to which
he volunteered for in our province. To make a long story short, I can
honestly tell my fellow Nova Romans that we certainly have
another "doer" here and you can be rest assured Res Publica will
benefit greatly from his integrity, dedication and action!

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Propraetor – Canada Occidentalis

Salvete,

By Ceres and Diana, under my Tribunicia Potestas I declare:

Since I received the results of a rogator during the time of law, so I am adopting it.

However, if the rogatores have some doubts, they should decide themselves about and after notice me. So, I will await the majority of the rogatores give a position about to have a decision, until it, the law is approved.

However the law says the rogatores have 48 hours to give the results of the Comitia, and this time has already passed. So, it let us on a problem to solve, since the law doesnt allow me to receive any other result. It is indeed a problem and a potential turmoil source.

As the presiding magistrate and responsible by this Comitia, I will study carefully. I take the matter on my hands. If there is some correction to do, I will be the first to do.

I warn that due to the major election near, and to heavy burden of political movings through all Contio and the ´anxiety´ we see infeting our Republic on the eve of elections, I ask everyone to be careful on the statements. The Comitia have already given its will. I would like to believe everything that happened is due to the love of our laws, not to the incoming elections.

If there is some other development I come back to you. I ask to all rogatores to write me personally about the matter. Let´s resolve this - if there is really a problem - with profissionalism, not transforming it into a matter of polemics.


Valete bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus TRP


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Salve omnes,

I would like to extend an enormous "Thank You" to all of those who
have been encouraging me to stand for Tribunus Plebis. I have been
seriously considering this in the recent days, and have decided that,
at least for this year, I will not stand for office. My fear is that
I will be too busy with school to do such an office justice, and I
would not want to be Tribune "in absentia." (I will, however,
continue to focus my efforts with Lucia Modia Lupa on restoring the
cult of Diana.)

That said, I would like to show public support for some of the other
candidates for Tribune: Caius Curius Saturninus and Marca Arminia
Maior Fabiana. I know both candidates to be hard working and
dedicated to Nova Roma's best interests, and I trust them both
completely.

Again, thank you, and vale bene,
Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia

Salve Iulius,

In answer to yopur question: I never saw your requests for the spreeadsheet because I had unsubscribed from the main list. It's a pity that you didn't email me directly at diana@...

Vale,

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Salvete omnes

how are you all? I have changed my name from octavia ulpia terentina
into vibia ulpia aestiva, and with a new adress. I wish you all in
advance a bona saturnalia!

vale bene,

vibia ulpia aestiva

Salvete Omnes!

Hope you are all well! I have changed my name from octavia ulpia teretina into vibia ulpia aestiva and with a new e mail adress. I wih you all in advance a bona saturnalia!

vale bene
vibia ulpia aestiva



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Salvete, omnes:

I wish to thank Gaius Modius Athanasius for his endorsement of my
candidacy for the office of Quaestor. His words were kind and
generous, and I do hope to be of service to the Republic, following
the excellent example of my paterfamilias Marcus Bianchius
Antonius. It is my hope that I may be able to live up to the
example that he has set in his service to our Republic. I am
greatly honored by his confidence in me and to have his vote. If
elected, I will do my utmost best to serve the Republic, and uphold
the Constitution.

Valete:

Q. Bianchius Rufinus

>
> While I do not know Quintus Bianchius it is good to see the

Bianchia

> becoming more active in Nova Roma. If Quintus Bianchius is half

the man that Marcus

> Bianchius Antonius is [and I'm confident that he is] then he has

my vote.

>
> Valete;
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius
>
> In a message dated 12/1/2004 9:31:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> QBRufinus@a... writes:
>
> Salvete, Omnes:
>
> I, Quintus Bianchius Rufinus, declare my candidacy for the office

of

> Quaestor.
>
> I am 33 years old, and have been a citizen of Nova Roma since May
> 2003. I hold a Bachelor's Degree in Accounting, and have

experience

> in small business as an accountant, tracking the finances, and
> generating financial reports. As an accountant, I aided in the
> startup of a small business. I beleive that I am an organized,

and

> effecient hard worker, and I would like to offer these services

to

> our Republic in the capacity of Quaestor. I would like to serve

Nova

> Roma, and am asking for your vote.
>
> Bene Valete:
>
> Quintus Bianchius Rufinus
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

A. Apollónius Cordus M. Júlió Perusiánó omnibusque
sal.

> Today, BEFORE reading your candidacy in the ml, I
> was preparing and thinking to post soon MY candidacy
> as Praetor.
> I had only another control to do before, which was
> to check if today were a die fastus or nefastus.

No need to worry, Perusiáne: most activities were
traditionally allowed on diés nefástí except that the
praetórés were not permitted to hear legal cases. So
announcing your candidacy on a diés nefástus is not a
problem.

You may want to know, though, that today (Thursday the
2nd, or a.d. IV Nón. Ján.) is a diés ater, when it is
unlucky to begin any new project; so perhaps today
would not be such a good day. Tomorrow will be okay,
though, as far as I know. :)



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A. Apollónius Cordus Cn. Júlió Caesarí amícó
omnibusque sal.

Thanks for your very thorough review of possible
interpretive principles. It's worth saying in
principle that we ought in general to apply Roman
interpretive principles before modern ones, but I am
quite willing to accept that when we are considering
the constitution we are not going to get very far with
Roman principles, since these were not designed to
cope with a rigid constitution (yet another argument
against the latter, of course).

Several of your lines of argument seem to make much of
the uniquely privileged position of the réligió and
its institutions in the constitution, the specific
privilege in question being the exclusive power to
determine its own procedures; and indeed at one point
you go so far as to say that "no other institution or
body could claim the same privilege that the Collegium
can, not even the Collegium Augurum".

But is not this particular privilege - the exclusive
power to determine its own procedures - set out in a
clause of which near-copies appear in the articles
referring to the comitia centuriáta, the comitia
plébis tribúta, the comitia populí tribúta, the
senátus, and the collégium augurum? You're well aware
of this, of course, so I presume you're referring to
some other privilege which is exclusive to the
collégium pontificum. Elsewhere you mention the
holding of positions for life, but this of course
applies also to the senate and to the collégium
augurum, so that can't be it either. What is it?

I'm also not clear what you mean to deduce from that
special position - are you arguing that I.B does not
defeat the autonomy of the collégium pontificum but
that it does defeat the equivalent clauses for the
other institutions which I've mentioned? This seems to
be the implication of your statement that I.B would
not need to entertain any exceptions of this kind
other than the one you propose to allow in order to
accommodate VI.B.I.c.

Finally, I'm puzzled by your application of the
structural approach. You say:

> We can argue in the structural form that the
> constitution creates a
> relationship between the Collegium Pontificum and
> the state that is
> akin to a religious island in the state sea. The
> Collegium can order
> its own affairs, overrule laws passed in Comitia and
> exist as a self-
> administered territory.

But does this not depend on the very point which you
are trying to prove, namely that the collégium has the
exclusive power to order its own affairs and can
overrule any légés which seek to interfere? I can't
see what other evidence you can adduce for this
special relationship between the collégium and the
state. Indeed I'm struggling to find any evidence to
support a distinction between the collégium and the
state in the first place: is it not quite clear from
the inclusion of detailed provisions regarding the
collégium within the constitution, from the fact that
it is explicitly identified as a "public religious
institution", and from the close structural parallels
between article VI and the articles relating to the
comitia and the senate (all of which are unargubaly
part of the state) that the collégium is best
interpreted as a part of the state rather than a body
which is capable of having a relationship with the
state?

These objections are not, of course, fatal to your
argument as a whole, but I should be interested to
hear your further comments.



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Ave Corde;
with this situation I hope and ask that you return to your duty and
aid the Rogatores. You are the Chief Rogator and problems such as
this have not happened under your careful and impartial watch.
In this situation the welfare of the Res Publica comes first.
I am sure all the Quirites would agree with me,
bene vale
M. Arminia Maior Fabiana
Propraetrix Hiberniae
caput Officina Iuriis
et Investigatio CFQ

>
>

However, if the rogatores have some doubts, they should decide
themselves about and after notice me. So, I will await the majority
of the rogatores give a position about to have a decision, until it,
the law is approved.

>
> However the law says the rogatores have 48 hours to give the

results of the Comitia, and this time has already passed. So, it let
us on a problem to solve, since the law doesnt allow me to receive
any other result. It is indeed a problem and a potential turmoil
source.

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A. Apollónius Cordus M. Arminiae Májórí amícae
omnibusque sal.

> with this situation I hope and ask that you return
> to your duty and
> aid the Rogatores. You are the Chief Rogator and
> problems such as
> this have not happened under your careful and
> impartial watch.

Thank you for your kind words. All of us are working
with Arminius Faustus and Equitius Marínus to find a
resolution and get a definitive set of results. The
tribúní are sitting in on our correspondence to ensure
that everything is done properly and thoroughly.

The current problem is the result of an unfortunate
concatenation of minor and, in themselves, harmless
mistakes, and none of the rogátórés is entirely
blameless. I have for a long time intended to publish,
at the end of this year or early in the next, a report
on this year's elections for the benefit of future
electoral officials and future legislators: a detailed
account of the current situation, and the lessons to
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Ave A. Apollóni Corde

> You may want to know, though, that today (Thursday the
> 2nd, or a.d. IV Nón. Ján.) is a diés ater, when it is
> unlucky to begin any new project; so perhaps today
> would not be such a good day. Tomorrow will be okay,
> though, as far as I know. :)

thank you for the clarification.
M IVL PERVSIANVS

Salve Arnamentia Moravia;
Trust is an important word, far more valuable than 'like' or in
the case of elections even 'friend'.
I will live up to your trust but I am sad that I won't be able to
work with you as a fellow Tribuna, or even lose to you....
Please run next year we need good candidates and good priestesses!
optime vale
Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana, candidate for Tribuna Plebis
pro plebibus Re Publicaque
( and that was pretty hard to decline;-)

Propraetrix Hiberniae
caput Officina Iuriis
et Investigatio CFQ

> That said, I would like to show public support for some of the

other

> candidates for Tribune: Caius Curius Saturninus and Marca Arminia
> Maior Fabiana. I know both candidates to be hard working and
> dedicated to Nova Roma's best interests, and I trust them both
> completely.
>
> Again, thank you, and vale bene,
> Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia

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> The current problem is the result of an unfortunate
> concatenation of minor and, in themselves, harmless
> mistakes, and none of the rogátórés is entirely
> blameless. I have for a long time intended to publish,
> at the end of this year or early in the next, a report
> on this year's elections for the benefit of future
> electoral officials and future legislators: a detailed
> account of the current situation, and the lessons to
> be learned, will be included in that report.

Salve,

One of the mistakes that is not the fault of the Rogators. I put
a "sticky note" on my computer to take down the Cista at 5:59pm the
29th. I should have taken down the Cista at 5:59pm (my time) on the
28th. By the time I received an email asking what why the Cista was
still running it was 23 hours after it should have been shut off. So
please don't jump on the Rogators should they have counted ballots
that came in after the official deadline as the fault there lies
entirely with myself.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Magister Arenarium

Salvete,

I'd like to extend a quick, but heartfelt thank you to everyone who
has extended their prayers and support both publically and privately
concerning my brother-in-law's diagnosis of stomach cancer.

Valete,

Q. Cassius Calvus

Gaius Popillius Laenas Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit,

After much thought, I come before you once again in the virtual
whitened toga of the candidate to announce that I am standing for the
position of Consul.


I have been a citizen of Nova Roma for almost four years. In that
time, I have followed the Curus Honorum by serving as:

- Consular Quaestor (in our first year of tax collection), and

- Praetor.

I have also been fortunate to serve as a Tribune of the Plebs,
Propraetor of America Austrorientalis, Consular Accensus, and Legate.
Recently, I have been honored to take a seat in the Senate.

My Album Civium page can be found here:

http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=1781


I agree with some who have said they believe the upcoming year to be a
crucial one for Nova Roma. Although we have survived several crises
in the past, in often seems that Nova Roma is on the verge of breaking
up over some of the issues that currently appear to divide us.

I have always pledged to be, and have been, fair, objective, and
completely honest in my duties and dealings in Nova Roma. Serving
this year as Praetor, I worked to negotiate settlements of several
disputes / lawsuits that might have adversely diverted the energies of
our cives and our Republic.

I worked with cives who were "Boni", "Moderati", and who now have
become part of the Libra Alliance. We may not always agree, but I
believe we always acted in good faith, in accordance with our duty,
and, most times, successfully.

If elected I hope to provide balance and stability to our government
in the coming year, which I believe will be much needed.

In my macronational life I am a business owner with 27 years of
experience, a certified public accountant, a certified financial
planner, and a few other certified this and that's ;-). I am a
husband of 20 years, and the proud father of 2 "pre-teen" daughters.

So, I ask you for your support and your vote. I do not have the
expertise to construct an election website (perhaps a supporter will
volunteer to contribute one :-). However, I will be pleased to answer
any questions, either on the Main List or privately at:

ksterne@...

That is – ksterne<at>bellsouth<dot>net.

Valete

Salvete omnes,

When I return from the field this week I intend on spending one of my
few evenings free next week to take in this movie by Oliver Stone. I
would appreciate any comments from those who have seen it but as
always, I'd appreciate a quick critique from Q. Fabius Maximus when
he has a moment. I do have that 1953 version of Alexander with
Richard Burton and it willbe fun to compare the two flicks.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus L. Cornelio Sullae et K. Fabio
Quintilliano Censoribus salutem dicit.

Salvete Viri,

Almost two weeks ago (18 Nov, to be precise), I sent an email to the two of
you. As of yet (3 Dec), I have yet to hear a response. Please, if you
would, at least just let me know if you have received my email, or if I need
to send it again. Thank you.

Vale Optime,

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus

Salve Moravius,

> May I remind you, though, that from January 1st 2005 rogatores

will not be

> "election judges" as stated but will be responsible among other

things for

> citizenship approvals as per Lex Equitia de Vigintisexviris. The

role of the

> election bean counters will be the responsability of the

diribitores.

Yes, you're correct and please accept my apologies. I took the
webpage of the last year trying to update and improve it in few
minutes. Now I'm seeing that tehre are too many errors and I would
correct them before tomorrow.
Thank you too.

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
CANDIDATE FOR CONSUL

Saw there is one major battle (maybe 2 depending on how you view it) the rest is kind of the behind the scenes politics of it all...It's kind of interesting but it's long...I though it could've been better but was still worth seeing at any rate (this is to the best of my recollection)

on a side note without ruining: One group may sue over how Alexander is portrayed...watch and you're sure to pick up why


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AVETE QVIRITES

I couldn't imagine a better person to keep up the good job done by
Consul Gnaeus Equitius Marinus during the current year!
Citizens of Nova Roma, Franciscus Apulus Caesar is the kind of
person whit that special ability to make things evolve, getting new
life and new ideas.

You should simply take a look at what Provincia Italia was before he
became Propraetor (a black area), and what the same provice had
become after one year under his governorship. A completely new,
attractive and informative website, articles and avertisements about
Nova Roma on a number of Italian websites and magazines, an
incredible increase in Novaroman population, live events, projects
for the future, etc. He really put Provincia Italia on the right
track.

One of Caesar's best qualities is his ability to infuse enthusiasm
into people. He manages to create effective and creative staffs who
work under his brilliant coordination.

That's why I whish Nova Roma to have him as next Consul. The Res
Publica will definitely benefit from him, that's for sure! ;-)

Vote FRANCISCUS APULUS CAESAR for CONSUL!!!!

OPTIME VALETE
Manius Constantinus Serapio
Propraetor Italiae
Beneficarius Sodalitatis Egressus
Praefectus Italiae Sodalitatis Egressus
Scriba Censoris CFQ
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Salvete, roman people of the quirites,

There has been lots of developments on the re-counting of the votes of the last Comitia.

As presiding magistrate, I kindly ask our Consul Marinus to present to the People the revised results as soon as the rogatores reaches a definitive number. I thank him mostly by leading this process.

I will adopt the last result. Mistakes ever time happen, but the worst mistake is not correcting it, whatever the results.

Valete bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus TRP


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By Iove Optimus Maximus, Iuno Regina, Minerva Sapientissima, Concordia Publica, Ceres, Diana, Saturnus, Quirinus, Mars, Pax and Salus Publica, oh roman people of the quirites, I present you my candidature for the praetorship.


I have been citizen of NR since three years ago. On these time, I have followed the curso honorum step by step. The praetorship, as you can see, is the natural next step of the work I have been doing for the Republic.


I have been Interpreter. I have translated as many of the Website for Portuguese as you may see. As a deep knowledger of our laws and Constituion, I have made its translations to my mother language, which boosted NR presence into the luso-speaker countries.


I was quaestor of Plebeian Aedile Curius Scribonius. I was plebeian aedile, and have hold the Cerealia and Ludi Plebeian, even adding features the rules of the chariot races, and making a entire new set of rules for Munera. When plebeian aedile I noticed the deep problems our republic were suffering, and how the plebeian aedileship was far away of the roman concept, becoming empty and secondary. So I decided to undertake reforms and this was my platform as Tribune


I was scriba of former Tribune M. Arminius Maior and helped to write the first Lex Arminia de Edictibus. I was scriba provincial of Brasilia.
I am propraetor of Brasilia province and do my best to boost the provincial life, besides the problems NR has to spread into Latin America.


So I am tribune. On the very start of this tribunate I presented you a research about the origins of the aedileship and proposed laws to correct some historical details on the conception of the magistrature, providing a best path to the aediles serve this republic better (but still there much to work). I also worked hard about the Comitialis System, with amendmments to correct and improve our current system. I also worked together with our beloved consul Marinus to make the laws of the roman definitios of the powers of magistratures, as a feeding and contribution for the constitutional convention there was happening, showing that Tribunes and Consules can work - shall work - together.


I also had a deep knowledge of the meaning of a tribunician veto, and the extreme responsabilty and political burden of a veto. I prefered to make a positive and constructive Tribunate, by adding proposals not blocking the acts of the magistrates. I remember when we disagree with a proposal we must say NO by voting on the Comitia, not trying to block the voting through voicing retorical interpretations of subjectives ilegalities. The Comitia has always the final word. The Tribunes soon will lose all credibility if the veto is seen being used for anything with levianity. And this admonition I also extend to the current candidates for Tribunes: Propose more than block. If you have a political diference, go through votes, not vetos. A veto shouldn´t be taken so lightly like we have seen this year.


Under my Tribunate, fifteen laws were approved, all of them approved by the People. These handsome sucesses as legislator make me proud of the confidence and support of the Populi, however, makes me deeply consider the responsability of a legislator. All laws were intended to bring NR closer to the Ancient Way, and to the roman equilibrium as described on Polybios works. All of them were carved after deep meditation over the sources of the Ancient (Livius, Polybios, Cicero, etc) and a intimate knowledge of NR laws... and its mistakes as well. By Iove Stator, if there wasn´t the continuous help of the Immortals, I couldn´t endure this responsability. On this way, I have taken as my personal inspiration the great reformer Tribunes of the Ancient: Canuleius, Icilius, Licinius, Sextius, Gracchus. Their example and spirit have guided me through all the hard path of the laws I have been proposing.


But I have certain the ancient romans carved not in vane the saying "Vox Populi vox dei". - The voice of the People is the voice of the Gods. Each time pass, I consider this saying, and see in the Comitialis System the expression of this happening each Comitia. To prase you, roman people of the quirites, ending this Tribunate on such positive balance, I dare to make mines the words of M. Tulius Cicero:

"For what fertility of genius, what copiousness of eloquence can be so great, what language can be found of such divine and extraordinary power, as to enable any one, I will not say to do due honour to the universal kindness of you all towards us, but even to count up and enumerate all the separate acts of kindness which we have received from you?"

[M. Tullius Cicero. The Orations of Marcus Tullius Cicero, literally translated by C. D. Yonge, B. A. London. Henry G. Bohn, York Street, Covent Garden. 1856. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?lookup=Cic.+Red.+Pop.+1]


The Comitialis System must be strenghten as It was strong in the Roman Republic, and it was the source of its stability. The Laws passed by the Comitia shall have the healing effect to correct our legal mistakes and the abuses we see, many of the roman misconcepts we still have on our legal system. All the Reforms lead by the everlasting wiseness of the Gods and the voting of the People - dearest to them. This will save us from legalism in many ways, been a step even further to Rome, the ultimate authority lays on the Comitia, and the magistrates, elected by the own Comitia, cares of it laws managing. It will grants equilibrium and flexibility to our internal deliberations, and get us closer to Ancient Rome. Magistratures, Senate and Comitia stronger, this is our dream.


We are on the path of sucess if we can make the Comitia and the will of the People strong as it was on Ancient. That is why I choose work for all in my magistratures and in the Senate, if I have the honour to be elected by the People. Equilibrium, as it was on Ancient Republic, as Polybios have wonderfuly written as his historian testimonial to us.


Seeing this, my joining of the Libra Alliance is a consequence. The Libra has the experience on NR and intimate knowledge on the sources of the Ancient. The Libra is completely sided to make a more roman Nova Roma, and the allow the growing of the institution throught all world. If we cannot make NR spread as its destiny, it will end. We have seen all over these years the good work of the magistrates now gathered on Libra. A compromise to make a more equilibrated Nova Roma, in other wods, a more roman Nova Roma, where the new citizens can raise the curso honorum and having a healthy environment to make its cultural researches.


I also must praise and congratulate its twin, the Moderati. The Moderati are a refreshing group of promising new magistrates I assure is absolutely sided with the strenghten of the Comitias and the equilibrium of the Roman Republic. I dare to say in the Moderati lays our future.


As Praetor, I won´t promise anything different I have been doing these years. Words cannot be used as weapon to make new citizens leave. Nova Roma must be a healthy environment! And this is my platform, reforms with responsability, mature proposes, intimate knowledge of the Roman System, coerence with our laws, loathing of partisan behaviour, respectul speeching, transparence on the Religio affairs, loyalty to the other magistrates, praises to the gods... on other words, dignity and respect over all on our main forum, and a really roman legal system.

Valete bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus



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Salvete omnes,

I certainly agree 100% with Manivs Constantinvs Serapio about
Franciscus Apulus Caesar. I couldn't say these words any better
myself.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Propraetor Canada Occidentalis

Accensus To Consul Astur







--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Manius Constantinus Serapio"
<mcserapio@y...> wrote:

>
> AVETE QVIRITES
>
> I couldn't imagine a better person to keep up the good job done by
> Consul Gnaeus Equitius Marinus during the current year!
> Citizens of Nova Roma, Franciscus Apulus Caesar is the kind of
> person whit that special ability to make things evolve, getting new
> life and new ideas.
>
> You should simply take a look at what Provincia Italia was before

he

> became Propraetor (a black area), and what the same provice had
> become after one year under his governorship. A completely new,
> attractive and informative website, articles and avertisements

about

> Nova Roma on a number of Italian websites and magazines, an
> incredible increase in Novaroman population, live events, projects
> for the future, etc. He really put Provincia Italia on the right
> track.
>
> One of Caesar's best qualities is his ability to infuse enthusiasm
> into people. He manages to create effective and creative staffs who
> work under his brilliant coordination.
>
> That's why I whish Nova Roma to have him as next Consul. The Res
> Publica will definitely benefit from him, that's for sure! ;-)
>
> Vote FRANCISCUS APULUS CAESAR for CONSUL!!!!
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O.S.D. G. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes.

Let's put this into perspective. Here's what the ancient Romans had
to say about changes in the mos of their day and the prospect of
social evolution:

"Ought no innovation ever to be introduced; and because a thing has
not yet been done - and in a new community there are many things
which have not yet been done - ought they not to be done, even when
they are advantageous? In the reign of Romulus there were no
pontiffs, no college of augurs; they were created by Numa Pompilius.
There was no census in the State, no register of the centuries and
classes; it was made by Servius Tullius. There were never any
consuls; when the kings had been expelled they were created. Neither
the power nor the name of Dictator was in existence; it originated
with the senate. There were no tribunes of the plebs, no aediles, no
quaestors; it was decided that these offices should be created.
Within the last ten years we appointed decemvirs to commit the laws
to writing and then we abolished their office. Who doubts that in a
City built for all time and without any limits to its growth new
authorities have to be established, new priesthoods, modifications
in the rights and privileges of the houses as well as of individual
citizens?" - (Titus Livius, HISTORY OF ROME, 4.4)

Something to keep in mind.

Valete,

Cato

Salve et salvete.

A few comments...

I'm assuming you mean that some group is upset over the portrayed
nature of the relationship between he and Hephaestion, his child-hood
friend and calvary commander. I haven't seen the movie, but that any
group would get upset obviously shows that they're interpreting it to
be a fallacy based on their own personal beliefs, and not historical
sources. It is VERY well documented that there was a sexual
relationship between he and his friend... though the extent of his
personal sexual orientation IS hotly debated. He obviously loved the
women in his life, but historical sources say that he had a
preference for sex with male partners. Contemporaries (more or less)
who confirm this are Curtius, Diogenes (of Sinope). Curtias in fact
also reports a eunuch was one of Alexander's lover (if I remember
correctly). He honoured all of those lovers whom he adored, whether
they be male or female, and demanded they received positions
according to his perception of their talents and they were paid the
proper respects. The famous Plutarch, and multiple others, even
recount a tale where, while in India, a crowd cheers him on to
passionately kiss the eunuch (Bagoras, I believe), and he gladly
obliges. He was married to Roxanne around this time as well.

If anything, in my opinion, given all of the evidence we have,
Alexander was probably bisexual and pansexual. But, even this
wouldn't be accurate, as we're once again trying to catalogue the
past according to our own culture. Homosexuality, as it is known
today, did not exist in antiquity. Sexuality was seen on average a
very pliable spectrum (which, I think, is actually the case). The
greek standard, at least from Athens, but documented all throughout
among all the polises is that older men would often take in youths
who were yet unmarried and court them. It was a client/patron
pederastic relationship, and implied not only a romantic and sexual
relationship, but has other facets such as education, financial
support, and status. The relationship would be expected to end when
the man took a wife, but a friendship would likely continue
throughout their lives. Athenians saw this is as one of the high
ideals of cementing a community. Also, among the Spartans, it is well
documented that the men had relationships with each other. And many
commentators in history have supposed this was one aspect of what
made the Spartans so fierce; they fough alongside their lovers.

Love with a man, in any context, was not scandalous, even in Rome. In
the time of Alexander, however, love with a man approximately his own
age might have caused some ruckus, but beyond this, most speak
favourably of his male relationships. And we have so much
documentation from all periods of antiquity where "homosexual"
behaviour, as it is known now, was exalted through poetry, song,
sculpture, and even in religious ideas.

Another reminder, I think, to keep in mind the way our forebearers
thought, and to dismantle the cultural constructs in order to see
their reasoning, and come to more stable decisions in the field of
reconstruction. That anyone would sue because they can't overcome the
cultural constructs embedded into their own worldview, and soberly
look history in the face, is outrageous.

Vale et valete,
Lucius Modius Kaelus

A. Apollónius Cordus Q. Lanius Paulínus omnibusque
sal.

In the scenes which show cavalry charges, look out for
a wiry cavalryman in his middle years with dark,
greying hair and a thin face. It's Robin Lane Fox, a
very erudite and amusing lecturer at Oxford who gave
historical advice on the film and wrote the
accompanying book. He had it written into his contract
that he would be allowed to ride in the first rank
Alexander's cavalry. :)



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Salve;

This is a very good point. Change, when done correctly, is a part of Roman
tradition.

Vale;

G. Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 12/3/2004 10:25:12 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
mlcinnyc@... writes:

O.S.D. G. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes.

Let's put this into perspective. Here's what the ancient Romans had
to say about changes in the mos of their day and the prospect of
social evolution:

"Ought no innovation ever to be introduced; and because a thing has
not yet been done - and in a new community there are many things
which have not yet been done - ought they not to be done, even when
they are advantageous? In the reign of Romulus there were no
pontiffs, no college of augurs; they were created by Numa Pompilius.
There was no census in the State, no register of the centuries and
classes; it was made by Servius Tullius. There were never any
consuls; when the kings had been expelled they were created. Neither
the power nor the name of Dictator was in existence; it originated
with the senate. There were no tribunes of the plebs, no aediles, no
quaestors; it was decided that these offices should be created.
Within the last ten years we appointed decemvirs to commit the laws
to writing and then we abolished their office. Who doubts that in a
City built for all time and without any limits to its growth new
authorities have to be established, new priesthoods, modifications
in the rights and privileges of the houses as well as of individual
citizens?" - (Titus Livius, HISTORY OF ROME, 4.4)

Something to keep in mind.

Valete,

Cato





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Salvete Omnes,

I hope you will support C. Fabia Livia in her candidacy for Curule Aedile.
As a citizen of Provincia Britannia I can confidently say that she is an
excellent Provincial Governor and has an abundance of all the qualities needed
for the post of Curule Aedile.

Valete,

Placidia Prisca



In a message dated 30/11/2004 21:12:03 GMT Standard Time,
Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com writes:

Message: 10
Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:06:40 +0000 (GMT)
From: "C. Fabia Livia" <c_fabia_livia@...>
Subject: Candidacy: Curule Aedile

I am 21 years old and have been a citizen for very
nearly three years. In that time I have been a scribe
to two Aediles, accensus to two Consuls, rogator of
the Sodalitas Musarum, Quaestor, and - since May -
governor of the province of Britannia: I am asking you
now to support my candidacy for the Aedilitas Curulis.

My experience working under two successive Curule
Aediles has given me a clear understanding of what I
will be taking on if you elect me, as well as
experience of how to do it. I will work on ways to
make the games even more exciting for your enjoyment,
and I will of course continue to support the Magna
Mater project. As Quaestor, I have collected your
taxes this year; as a provincial governor, I have
organised face-to-face meetings, and generally
encouraged the growth of my province. I am a friendly
and approachable person who will deal fairly with any
commercial disputes (working from the basis laid down
by this year's aedilician edicts). I am not a member
of any political party, faction, or alliance, open or
secret.

I don't enjoy talking about myself, so I'll leave it
there, but I encourage anyone with questions about my
candidacy to contact me via either this list or my
private email (livia@...).

C. Fabia Livia
(Candidate for Curule Aedile)






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Thank you for your endorsement. May I put it on my site?

www.canadaoccidentalis.org/agrippa_for_tribune.html

"Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@...> wrote:

Salvete omnes,

I would like the opportunity to voice my support for Procurator Gaius
Vipsanius Agrippa's bid to run for the office of Tribune. Gaius is
one of the few Nova Romans I have met in person and he has dedicated
much time and effort in helping build the infrastructure of the
province of Canada Occidentalis as well as helping to pay for our
geocities website from his own pocket. Much of this was done whilst
he was on the other side of the world in Japan on a teaching
assignment not allowing such isolation to thwart the duties to which
he volunteered for in our province. To make a long story short, I can
honestly tell my fellow Nova Romans that we certainly have
another "doer" here and you can be rest assured Res Publica will
benefit greatly from his integrity, dedication and action!

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Propraetor � Canada Occidentalis





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Avete;
may I second that! Liva has done so much to bring back the
Provincia of Britannia, where they have live meetings, a list, a
newsletter, even making a Roman picnic for the London meeting.
And Livia and the Provincia are hosting the 2006 NR Conventus at
Hadrian's Wall, she is full of energy turning NR into a real world
organization.
Please vote for Livia for Curule Aedile!!
Although this summer vote for my Roman spice cake over hers;-)
friendly roman cooking rivalry...
Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana
Propraetrix Hiberniae
caput Officina Iuriis
et Investigatio CFQ




In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, KECTAM@a... wrote:

>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> I hope you will support C. Fabia Livia in her candidacy for Curule

Aedile.

> As a citizen of Provincia Britannia I can confidently say that she

is an

> excellent Provincial Governor and has an abundance of all the

qualities needed

> for the post of Curule Aedile.
>
> Valete,
>
> Placidia Prisca
>
>
>
> In a message dated 30/11/2004 21:12:03 GMT Standard Time,
> Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com writes:
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:06:40 +0000 (GMT)
> From: "C. Fabia Livia" <c_fabia_livia@y...>
> Subject: Candidacy: Curule Aedile
>
> I am 21 years old and have been a citizen for very
> nearly three years. In that time I have been a scribe
> to two Aediles, accensus to two Consuls, rogator of
> the Sodalitas Musarum, Quaestor, and - since May -
> governor of the province of Britannia: I am asking you
> now to support my candidacy for the Aedilitas Curulis.
>
> My experience working under two successive Curule
> Aediles has given me a clear understanding of what I
> will be taking on if you elect me, as well as
> experience of how to do it. I will work on ways to
> make the games even more exciting for your enjoyment,
> and I will of course continue to support the Magna
> Mater project. As Quaestor, I have collected your
> taxes this year; as a provincial governor, I have
> organised face-to-face meetings, and generally
> encouraged the growth of my province. I am a friendly
> and approachable person who will deal fairly with any
> commercial disputes (working from the basis laid down
> by this year's aedilician edicts). I am not a member
> of any political party, faction, or alliance, open or
> secret.
>
> I don't enjoy talking about myself, so I'll leave it
> there, but I encourage anyone with questions about my
> candidacy to contact me via either this list or my
> private email (livia@s...).
>
> C. Fabia Livia
> (Candidate for Curule Aedile)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Avete Quirites;
Please vote for Apulus Caesar and Pompeia for Consules, Consuls
need to work together for the betterment of Nova Roma.

I cannot imagine a better combination than Po and Fr. Apulus. Po has
really worked with the Itali over the Magna Mater Project and given a
lot of time and devotion working with Caesar and Perusianus.

They work together harmoniously with the same aims and ideals as
moderates they have a growing vision of our great Res Publica

When you vote, vote for Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo AND
Franciscus Apulus Caesar! Europe and the Americas working together
for Nova Roma!
bene valete
Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana
Propraetrix Hiberniae
caput Officina Iuriis
et Investigatio CFQ

When will i be listed on the list of candiadiates for quaestor?

Gauis Gemninius Germanus(1777)

Salvete Quirites, et salve Fauste,

Lucius Arminius Faustus wrote:

> As presiding magistrate, I kindly ask our Consul Marinus to
> present to the People the revised results as soon as the rogatores
> reaches a definitive number. I thank him mostly by leading this process.

I shall do so.

Valete,

-- Marinus

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit:

Ex Officio

Salvete Quirites,

As you know, there was a problem with the announced results of the
election held during the later part of November in the Comitia Populi
Tributa. Consequently I stepped in to examine and resolve the election
results.

Some history: We have four elected rogatores. Coming into this
election one rogator, Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus, was
excused from the vote tabulation due to personal matters. That left
three rogatores to handle the election. Then, shortly before the
election began, Flavius Vedius Germanicus took issue with Chief Rogator
Apollonius Cordus speaking out in favor of the law being voted upon, and
asked Cordus to recuse himself. Cordus asked me for permission to do
so, and I granted that permission. This left two rogatores, Minucius
Hadrianus and Galerius Aurelianus, to deal with the vote counting for
the election. At some point each of these remaining rogatores thought
he was the only one left, and took it upon himself to tabulate all votes
and do all the tie breaking for tied tribes.

In my examination of the differences between the election results
provided by the two rogatores who tabulated them, I discovered that
there was a misunderstanding with respect to the timestamp placed on
ballots by the Cista software. These ballots are timestamped with a GMT
timestamp, but not all Rogatores were aware of this. Since GMT is an
hour behind Central European Time (the time in Rome), some ballots had
been left uncounted because they were cast in the first hour of voting.
There were also problems with some other ballots cast after voting
should have ended. Apparently the Chief Rogator has resolved these
issues in the past, but he was not available to do so in this election,
having recused himself. Therefore I ordered a complete recount of all
ballots, and I personally examined the timestamps of the questionable
ballots to determine if they were valid.

All ballots have now been examined, and the ones which ought to apply
have been applied. Here are the results.

Tribes voting YES -- 1,5,6,8,9,12,18,21,28,30,31,33,34,35 (14 total)

Tribes voting NO -- 2,3,4,7,10,15,16,19,23,24,25,27,29,32 (14 total)

Tribes that TIED -- 11,13,17,20,26 (5 total)

Tribes in which nobody voted 14,22 (2 total)

Since 33 tribes voted, a minimum of 17 YES votes were needed for the
proposed lex to pass.

With five tribes tied, I divided the tied tribes between the two
rogatores who had been involved in the vote counting. I assigned tribes
11 and 12 to Rogator Minucius Hadrianus, and I assigned tribes 16, 17,
and 20 to Rogator Galerius Aurelianus.

Hadrianus tie breakers for Tribes 11 and 13:

Tribe 11: UTI ROGAS (Yes)

Tribe 13: ANTIQUO (No)

Aurelianus tie breakers for Tribes 16, 17, and 20:

Tribe XVII: Antiquo (No)

Tribe XX: Uti Rogas (Yes)

Tribe XVI: Antiquo (No)

The final result is that the proposed Lex Arminia de ratione comitiorum
plebis et populi tributorum failed to obtain a sufficient number of the
tribes' votes to become law.

I hereby certify these election results to be correct.

Valete,

Gn. Equitius Marinus
Consul, Nova Roma

Ave Marine;
may I comment on how peacefully this event passed and this is due
to the impeccable behavior of the Rogatores and the respect all hold
you in.
Especially may I remark the true virtue of my gens brother Lucius
Arminius Faustus, who proposed this law, was devoted to its passing
and was in fact the presiding magistrate, but in the noblest sense
put the Law and the people above himself.

This is a wonderful example of how Nova Roma can work. May the
forthcoming elections bring us more worthy magistrates.
bene valete in pace deorum
M. Arminia Maior Fabiana
Propraetrix Hiberniae
caput Officina Iuriis
et Investigatio CFQ

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
<canadaoccidentalis@y...> wrote:

> Thank you for your endorsement. May I put it on my site?
>
>Salve Gai Vipsani,

Certainly!

Regards,

QLP

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C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix G. Equitio Cato et Quritibus S.P.D.

Salvete.

gaiusequitiuscato wrote:

>
>O.S.D. G. Equitius Cato
>
>Salvete omnes.
>
>Let's put this into perspective. Here's what the ancient Romans had
>to say about changes in the mos of their day and the prospect of
>social evolution:
>
>"Ought no innovation ever to be introduced; and because a thing has

not yet been done - and in a new community there are many things

>which have not yet been done - ought they not to be done, even when

they are advantageous? In the reign of Romulus there were no

>pontiffs, no college of augurs; they were created by Numa Pompilius.

There was no census in the State, no register of the centuries and

>classes; it was made by Servius Tullius. There were never any consuls;

when the kings had been expelled they were created. Neither

>the power nor the name of Dictator was in existence; it originated

with the senate. There were no tribunes of the plebs, no aediles, no

>quaestors; it was decided that these offices should be created. Within

the last ten years we appointed decemvirs to commit the laws

>to writing and then we abolished their office. Who doubts that in a

City built for all time and without any limits to its growth new

>authorities have to be established, new priesthoods, modifications in

the rights and privileges of the houses as well as of individual

>citizens?" - (Titus Livius, HISTORY OF ROME, 4.4)
>
>Something to keep in mind.
>
>Valete,
>
>Cato
>

Well said (or at the very least, well quoted ~_^ ) but Let me comment if
I may?

Roman society was one where there existed a delicate balance of cautious
innovation and inherent conservatism, and when the balance was kept,
Roma generally prospered. The sticky part, from a modern
reconstructionist perspective, is when to innovate and when not to. Too
much innovation, or a tendency towards innovation for its own sake can
be a slippery slope where at the bottom lies something that is no longer
even recognizable as the Religio Romana. We are stuck with the difficult
and often frustrating position of trying to figure out "What would the
Romans Do?" and then trying to see if it is feasible (or even desirable)
in the 21st century. The question of how we can reconcile 15 or so
centuries of cultural and social evolution that western civilization has
undergone (including the obviously enormous influence of judeo-Christian
beliefs) with the Religio, ethics, philosophy and traditions of ancient
Rome is the central dilemma of our reconstructionism (and for every
citizen of Nova Roma). In some cases the decisions are made for us by
circumstance. Obviously Nova Roma will never (and should not) have
slavery, bloodsports, political mob violence (though we do a pretty good
job of simulating it on line sometimes) or gross social, sexual or
economic inequality. It should be pointed out that the Romans themselves
spoke out against all of these things at one time or another, so the
recognition of their undesirability is not a strictly modern phenomenon.
So, Nova Roma has no property qualifications (aside from paying a very
modest "tax"), denies no one of their civic rights on the basis of
birth, sex, religion, nationality, or social class. Participation in the
Religio Romana (even as just lip service) is not a requirement of
public service which is a very significant innovation. Atheism is not a
crime. Thier has been an enormous (and obvioulsy neccesary) amount of
innovation in Nova Roma, but the real issue is where do we stop? Is
there an imaginary line, that once crossed, we cease to be Romans (even
New Romans)? I think there is, and it stands around the State Religio.
The Religio, in many was, is the heart of Roman tradition. It is
probably the most conservative facet of Roman culture, and rightfully so
- a contract with Gods is not something that can (or should) be altered
lightly or on a whim. If there is one aspect of Rome which we should be
the most conservative in our reconstruction, it is the State Religio.
Can we recreate it exactly? Of course not. We lack a complete detailed
knowledge of the Religio, so we are often forced to make educated
guessed. The Vatican and city of Rome are unlikely to be rebuilding the
temples and other religious sites of Roma and opening them up for use
any time soon. We can't train vestals from childhood (at least not in
the forseeable future). We are unable to fill the offices of Flamen
Dialis or the Rex & Regina Sacorum becuase of the difficult and
geogrpahic nature of the taboos associated with them. So what do we do?
Give up, saying that its impossible? We could, it would certainly mean a
lot less frustration and grief on our part. I have had moments (call
them "crises of faith") where I have considered doing just that, and
simply focus on my private worship. Or we could conclude since there are
so many aspects of the State Religio that it is essentially impossible
to reconstruct, that every part of it is fair game? You could argue (and
people have) why even bother trying to reconstruct the ancient Religio,
we might as well just create a completely new one? I don't care for
either of these options. I think what we can do (and have been doing) is
to find a middle path. Accept what we can't bring back, do the best we
can to reconstruct what we can, innovate when absolutely neccessary and
hope the Gods find it acceptable. Which brings us to the current debate
about female Pontifices. The question to ask is would having female
ponitifices be a necessary (and unavoidable) innovation? Would be really
be doing it for the right reasons? Who would such a change really serve?
The Gods? Or us? After alot of thought (and BTW this is not a new issue)
my view, and the view of many of the CP, is that it is not a necessary
inovation. Any significant change of Roman Religious tradition should
only be taken to better serve the Gods or to becuase circumstances make
it absolutely unavoidable. The goal of allowing female ponitifces seems
to be motivated not by any desire to better serve the Gods, but rather
to assuage the social consiences (mine included BTW) of many Nova
Romans, and that is the wrong reason to make such a dramatic alteration
in our contract with the Gods. Is denying women from the office of
Pontifex a violation of their religious freedoms? I don't beleive so,
any more than denying a man the right to be a vestal or Priestess of the
Bona Dea. Citizens of Nova Roma are free to worship as they chose. Even
within the Religio this freedom exists. There is no "dogma" relating to
private worship. Every man and women in Nova Roma can practice their
private Religio, and worship the Gods anyway the see fit. The can pray
in Latin or English or Hindi for that matter. They can offer animal
sacrifice, or only make strictly bloodless offerings. The choice is
thiers. They can worship Iupiter, Thor and Vishnu at the same altar.
They can be ecclectic as they want and that is their choice, and no-one
on the CP has the right to tell them otherwise (nor would be dream of
it). What we are responsible for doing is ensuring that the State
Religio is performed correctly, and as historically as possible given
the circumstances. We do not do this for our personal benefit (that what
private worship is for) but for the benefit of the entire Res Publica,
and we would be remiss in our duties if we made unecessary changes to
the State cult unless the Gods gave us a very clear indication it was in
accordance with their desires.

The CP may not be most popular bunch these days, but I would like to
point out that the enormous amount of work we have put in collectively
to reconstruct the State Religio, from the ground work done by PM Marcus
Cassius Iulianus to the exhaustive research done by Gaius Iulius Scarus
on this current issue, has been done for the benefit of everyone in Nova
Roma. We are not here to feed our egos, or win popularity, or even amass
political clout. We are here to establish and maintian the State
religio, which exists for one purpose, and one purpose only - to ensure
that the State and its citizens enjoy the favor and protection of the
Gods. If we have reached a point where this is not something the
majority of citizens of Nova Roma want done on their behalf, then
perhaps we are simply wasting our time. I'd really like to think that is
not the case, but the evidence seems to point in that direction.

Valete bene,

C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix
Pontifex

I'm delighted to see so many candidates for the higher
offices this year, which gives us all plenty to think
about when we cast our votes, but I can't help
noticing that we've had no candidates for any of the
vigintisexviri positions. I have some concern that
this may be due to confusion about the new job titles,
and so I thought I'd offer a (very) quick summary for
the benefit of our newer citizens who might be
considering their first steps along the cursus
honorum.

The prerequisites for these offices are essentially
being 21 years old and having been a citizen for six
months - though enthusiasm and dedication are always
welcome, too!

ROGATORES - two positions; involving various censorial
duties (such as assisting with citizenship
applications, voter codes, etc.)

DIRIBITORES - four positions; responsible for counting
votes.

CUSTODES - two positions; responsible for overseeing
the electoral process and breaking ties.

WEBMASTER - one position; pretty self-explanatory, but
also the one vigintisexvir job which requires some
particular skills - unfortunately I don't know exactly
what systems the site uses, so I can't be much more
helpful on this one!

EDITOR OF WRITTEN NEWS - one position; involves
editing the Eagle, and any other state publications
which may arise.


I hope this was helpful to someone!

Livia

PS The duties are defined in the Lex Equitia de
Vigintisexviris, which can be found in the tabularium
if anyone wishes to take a closer look:
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2004-10-07-vi.html


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Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus SPQR salutem dicit.

Salvete,

In the event that no candidate who meets the age qualification declares
their candidacy by the deadline which Consul Marinus placed (6 December), I
would like the appended declaration to be considered effective, and
subsequently request the permission of the Censors and the Senate to stand
for the office of Rogator.

Valete,

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus

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Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus Senatuti Populoque Quiritium Romano
salutem plurimam dicit.

Si vos valetis, valemus.

Today, my brothers and sisters, friends and compatriots, I stand before you
to offer myself into your service in the position of Rogator.

This year, the Lex Equitia de Vigintisexviris changed the duties of the
Rogators to serving as magistrates whose duty it is, generally, to handle
the general citizenship processes which were formerly the horror, so to
speak, of the office of the Censores. However, this is an essential duty
for our Republic, and I am willing to do the job.

As for my qualifications, I have been a citizen for more than two years,
having been granted citizenship on the Kalends of August of 2755. Since
that time, I have served the Republic in working on the staves of two
consuls (K. Fabius and Cn. Equitius), four praetors (T. Labienus, Cn. Salix,
Cn. Octavius, and C. Popillius), one Curule Aedile (C. Iulius), and three
Webmasters (M. Octavius (twice), T. Octavius, and Q. Cassius), as well as
serving on the staff of my province, Lacus Magni, as the provincial
webmaster since 25 August 2755, and, more recently, as Legate for the
Oriental Region, and lastly, being the only sitting member of the Collegium
Fetialium.

In the two years I have been a citizen, I have done nothing if not work with
you, the People. I have spent my time trying to help when I can and may,
and trying to do nothing but help the Republic. I understand people; I work
with people; and I want to work for you, the People.

Ladies and Gentlemen, if you so choose to put me into the Rogatorship, you
have my word, which I truly believe is all we have in life, that I will give
my utmost to the office, and that I will serve you, the People, as best I
may, for the duration of my term. You have my word that I will see that the
duties of the office are cared for swiftly, diligently, and carefully, and
that I will take the office seriously. I will execute the duties of the
office, without hesitation. On all this, you have my word.

I can say nothing else in my defense. I want to serve you, Ladies and
Gentlemen. I only hope you allow me to do so.

In Pace Deorum, et Rei Publicae gratia,

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
Citizen of Nova Roma

Salve Praetrix Fabia,

Interesting that you should write this. I was just writing about the same
thing. Well, rest assured, there are some who actually want to do the job!

Vale Bene,

Quintus Caecilius

> Interesting that you should write this. I was just
> writing about the same
> thing. Well, rest assured, there are some who
> actually want to do the job!

I'm so pleased to hear this. We've shared a lot of
employers in the last couple of years, and I know
you'd be a credit to the office :)

Incidentally, I know of at least one other person who
would love to stand for something if only he weren't
too young. Can anyone clarify for me why the age
limit for vigintisexviri is set at 21 and not 18?

Livia


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Salve Caia Fabia,

> Incidentally, I know of at least one other person who would
> love to stand for something if only he weren't too young.
> Can anyone clarify for me why the age limit for
> vigintisexviri is set at 21 and not 18?

While I was thinking about standing for the office, and again today as I was
drafting my statement, I was wondering the same thing. In Ancient Rome,
boys had military service to keep them occupied during that time from
donning the toga virilis and standing for office. We don't have that here
in Nova Roma, and it seems that the standard for the toga virilis is 18, so
I think it might be reasonable for that age limit to come down. Perhaps
some of the Senators could shed some light on the situation?

Vale Bene,

Quintus Caecilius Metellus

Marca Arminia Maior wrote:

> Please vote for Livia for Curule Aedile!!
> Although this summer vote for my Roman spice cake
> over hers;-)
> friendly roman cooking rivalry...

I'm not even going to engage with that: my spice cake
can fight its own battles ;)

My sincerest thanks, though, for your support - and
also to Placidia Prisca, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus,
Gaius Moravius Laureatus, Drusus Maxentius Silvanus,
Gaius Popillius Laenas, Gnaeus Salix Astur, and those
others who've written to me privately. It makes me
unbelievably happy that the people who know me best
have confidence in my abilities - what more could I
ask? :)

Livia



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C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix S.P.D.

Salvete.

The last few months I've noticed my e-mails to the various Yahoo! Groups
I belong to are taking longer, and longer to actually get posted. In
some cases it can take several hours from the point I hit "send" and
when the message actually shows up. This can be exceeding frustrating,
especially when trying to make a timely comment in an ongoing
discussion! For example I sent a message to both the main list and
religio list at 17:14 EST and at 19:42 EST it still has not been posted
on either list. I can recall when e-mails would be posted within a
minute or two of sending them. Is anyone else having this problem?

Valete,

C. Minucius Hadrianus

Salve Cai Minuci,

> The last few months I've noticed my e-mails to the various
> Yahoo! Groups I belong to are taking longer, and longer to
> actually get posted. In some cases it can take several hours
> from the point I hit "send" and when the message actually
> shows up. This can be exceeding frustrating, especially when
> trying to make a timely comment in an ongoing discussion! For
> example I sent a message to both the main list and religio
> list at 17:14 EST and at 19:42 EST it still has not been
> posted on either list. I can recall when e-mails would be
> posted within a minute or two of sending them. Is anyone else
> having this problem?

I've had this same problem. What's stranger, for those of you who are
familiar with the moderator features of Yahoo! Groups, is that I have had
instances when I have approved pending messages from the website, and they
still take hours (days, in one instance, if I recall correctly) before
actually appearing on the website and in my email. But that's Yahoo! for
you.

Vale Bene,

Quintus Caecilius Metellus

In doing some editing work for Wikipedia (I'm an irregular
contributor), I decided to peek at the "Talk Page" regarding the
disputes of micronations and similiar entities, paying close
attention to any references of Nova Roma. There are still people
debating our legitimacy on any level whatsoever. Most believe that we
are a "club" made up solely of re-enactors.

There was some talk about this a while back, and the unfortunate
results of repeated references to Nova Roma being a micronation on
the webpage. While admittedly it is by nature a micronation, that is
not all it is. It is a legitimate organistation, that has been
referenced in at least five media articles I'm aware of. It has 501(3)
c status as an educational, civic, and religious corporation. It
reaches into numerous countries, and touches our life on a local
level, not just on the internet. It is the primary vessel for
legitimate construction of the Religio Romana, which is in and of
itself extremely notable. We have (although admittedly, loose)
connection to institutions of higher learning, and we have several
scholars in our midst. We are a serious organisation, although it may
not appear that way sometimes. And most do not take us seriously,
aside from those who join and those who are acquainted with those
individuals. But my issue is this:

While whomever the webmaster is has been diligently posting
announcements on the main page, relevant information at the top of
the main web page, and updating changed content that NEEDS to be
changed (make no mistake, I appreciate this, as do many other
citizens), this is simply not enough. The agreed changes to the
introductory material have not been made, and the format of the site
is ancient by the standards of modern webpage technology. Formatting
is adequate, but can often be confusing. Very few new images are
uploaded, and searching for specific information can be one hell of a
task in itself. The databases and content are not cross-referenced
adequately. Little has been done in YEARS. This is disturbing. It
looks extremely unprofessional, yet I would consider what we do on
even a daily basis professional and noble work, worthy of notice. If
no one steps up to the challenge, I will undertake these suggested
changes in a test format myself. But, as I have indicated before, I
am no webpage developer... by any stretch of the imagination.

I can create graphics for general content that are superior to those
we currently have; yes. I can format the pages, clean up the site,
create new links and cross-reference the content. However, the skills
at my disposal are mostly limited to this, and only extends
(currently) to HTML, minor Java, etc. I have barely studied the
languages used in web development and programming, and yet I can
still do a better job than what we have as of right now. This is sad.

I firmly believe that Nova Roma is fragmented, and this is in part
due many facets of it being segmented by the lack of implementing
current technology. We rely upon the internet as our primary means of
communication. And while I love the familiar basic HTML formatting,
and our extensive use of the Yahoo groups, it is hurting us on
several levels, though many probably do not even realise it.

I'm not suggesting we completely shift the primary mode of
communcication we use completely from Yahoo groups, but it would be
interesting to see applets on the main page that fullfill many of the
same functions. Chat, IM capability, bulletin boards, etc. For those
of you who use AIM, Yahoo, or any other form of instant messenger to
communicate with other Nova Romans, you know how much of an asset
this is. Communication is clearer, with less misunderstandings, and
more is discussed in much, much less time. Nova Roma would benefit
from implementing all these things, and I think (personally), would
even progress by leaps and bounds. A great deal of the turmoil,
inactivity, and confusion in Nova Roma is the result of poor
communication, largely by the inability of members to respond to each
other in a more effective manner than is possible just by e-mail and
Yahoo groups (in my humble opinion). Having Sodalitates ON SITE would
be a tremendous leap forward. Having all of the information to
provincial websites readily and more easily available, even just by
using a site or image map, would be amazing. Can any of you envision
this?

Imagine how much more work could be done in the Cohor's office with
instantaneous communication. The current mode is effective, and the
postings are voluminous, but imagine everything that could be said in
one day transpiring in only twenty minutes. Very little backlog,
faster changes, and easier work all around.

Imagine not only descriptions of the rituals done by pontifices, but
images and even streaming video. I've seen images in a local Dayton
newspaper of Athanasius performing a ritual to Pomona. It was
evocative, to say the least.

Imagine much of the work done by the Senate being done in a private
chat, and how much you senators could discuss, accomplish, etc in a
very short time time period. In fact, a voting program could even be
written in, something resembling in effect the familiar format we
often see in the media that is used by the U.N. (meaning that one
would wait their turn to 'have the floor'). Imagine the inactivity of
the CP being somewhat reversed just by simple, open, honest, and
instantaneous conversation.

If no one else more qualified stands, I will stand for Webmaster.
However, I will not be 21 for a few months, so obviously at the time
of voting I would not be of the prescribed age (though if I was
elected, while in office I would meet all of the criteria). If this
is a possibility, will those responsible for such a decision please
let me know. I assume such an exception would be by dispensation of
the Senate, but if the decision lies with Marinus, I would be most
obliged.

However, I would rather someone who has extensive experience, the
time, and an individual who is willing to put forth the effort stand
in my place. There are many experienced programmers and developers
here, but there is a great deal of work involved in such changes,
including being answerable to the populace and a plethora of
magistrates. I CAN implement ALL of the changes, including writing
applets, programs, etc. However, this will take me quite a bit of
time as I do not have the knowledge to do so instantly at my finger-
tips. So, I would obviously prefer someone who does already have more
extensive training to step forward. However, if I am elected, it
might be equally advantageous for me to delegate the work that would
difficult for me to someone more experienced. However, if someone is
elected, I will still make test pages and applets in time to give to
the Curator Araneum (if this kind of work is not done), as I have
indicated at least once before. I don't want to see such an
important, and I think, necessary goal to go unrealised.

I leave this up to you, quirites. I hope to see some discussion on
this matter. Tell me what you want to see, and how this might be
accomplished.

Valete,
Lucius Modius Kaelus

--- In ReligioRomana@yahoogroups.com, Ambrosius Celetrus
<Aulus.Ambrosius.Celetrus@a...> wrote:
A. Ambrosius Celetrus Pontifici Minucio Hadriano Felici S.P.D.

Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix wrote:

>
> The CP may not be most popular bunch these days, but I would like to
> point out that the enormous amount of work we have put in

collectively

> to reconstruct the State Religio, from the ground work done by PM
> Marcus Cassius Iulianus to the exhaustive research done by Gaius

Iulius

> Scarus on this current issue, has been done for the benefit of

everyone in

> Nova Roma.

I feel compelled to ask: what evidence do we have of this work? Is
there
a file library of your research? A public presence other than when you
are defending your prerogatives? As I pointed out in a previous post,
feasts of three of Dii Immortales were publicly ignored during the
past
nine days while the implications of Scaurus' "exhaustive" research
have
been debated. I have see NO mention of passing festivals on this list.
While you get your "baseline" drawn with such pedantic care, the Gods
are publicly ignored. Seems to me you need more pontifices - male or
female - to put the public back into the Religio Publica.
--- End forwarded message ---

G. Equitius Cato C. Minucio Hadriano Felico quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve Caius Hadrianus et salvete omnes.


Pontiff, I appreciate your extensive explanation; it is the clearest,
sanest exposition of the matter I have yet heard from anyone with
whom I disagree :-) If I may make a couple of points...

First and foremost, do not be discouraged; I do not believe there is
a single citizen who wishes to simply let the religio publica slip
into some obscure corner of the res publica. It is a vital element
of our life together, and should --- no, MUST --- remain so. It is
one of those crimson threads that binds us to the ancients, along
with our form of government and our desire to enliven the great
virtues.

I would not even consider creating a "new" religio publica simply to
satisfy every single whim of the modern age. But I also believe that
your letter does indeed highlight the central issue when discussing
the reconstruction of the religio: what is the "baseline" from which
(or even TO which) we should be working? How do we reconstruct the
religio in a way that will accurately reflect the source of its being
while accommodating the necessities of the current age which you so
clearly and concisely expressed?

I appreciate also the fact that you have seperated an honest
evaluation of this question from the idea that any such questioning
is inherently antagonistic towards the faith of our religio
practitioners. This, to me, is a huge and very welcome step. We are
working towards the same goal, and simply are approaching it from
several angles. We do not need the vitriol that has marred these
discussions heretofore.

Now, I will lay out why I think there is an important gap between
your explanation as to why it is not a violation of a woman's
religious freedoms should the CP issue a statement barring them from
the pontificate.

Unlike in Roma Antiqua where the patriarchal social system operated
in high gear and was simply the way things were done, we have opened
up the political sphere to our women citizens. This is an important
distinction. It carries with it, however, the burden of the fact
that the political and (public)religious lives of the Roman republic
were intertwined to the point of inseperability. So, in the early
days of Nova Roma, it was a natural by-product of the opening of the
political ladder to women that the religious hierarchy be open as
well, and it was.

A pontiff has a vote in the College of Pontiffs; the College of
Pontiffs decides, ultimately, the direction that the
development/reconstruction of the religio publica will take. The
sacrerdotes ordinarii have no such vote, and no such influence. That
is the crux of the difference between allowing priesthoods that
historically were gender-specific to remain so yet allowing women
pontiffs. If the sacerdotes ordinarii remain gender-specific in
certain cults, it has no effect on the religio, and therefore no
effect on the res publica as a whole (other, of course, than the
bwenefits of a group of citizens obeying the Gods and satisfying
Their desire to be honored by citizens of the res publica). The
pontiffs, in using their authority to direct the religio publica,
affect all the citizens, practitioner and non-practitioner, and are
in a very real sense an influence on the government of the res
publica. I see the prohibition of women from that arena as an
impediment to their full involvement in the government of the res
publica --- and I see that as wrong.

I have no ill-will against the College of Pontiffs per se; I only
feel angered by the use (by SOME of the College) of "strict
reconstruction" as a foundation for their intransigience when they
themselves are the beneficiaries of the fact that such
reconstructionism is in fact impossible.

I hope this makes sense, and I truly look forward to more intelligent
and dispassionate discussion, even while attempting (on my part) to
continue to keep the sensibilities in consideration of my fellow-
citizens' faith in mind.

Vale et valete,

cato

Salve, Maior.
It is not necessarily MORE pontifices we need. The Pontifices (on
average; there are exceptions) actually do very little research
that's not related to a vote. They perform public sacrifices and meet
in the Collegium. It's the sacredotes and the flamines that do most
of the leg-work. And we have very, very few of those. Perhaps some of
our pious citizens who are knowledgable in regards to the Religio
should actually apply to the ordinary priesthoods, or at least
seriously partake in reconstruction efforts, than constantly
critisise the CP (though it may be well-deserved at times). This is
REALLY want Nova Roma needs more of. The rest is usually more
political clout and sometimes righteous indignation, though
discussion should be encouraged. But if you want action, then
encourage people who are able, knowledgable, and willing to actually
do something on any level.

Respectfully,
Lucius Modius Kaelus

P.S. I must ask what the purpose is of constantly forwarding posts
from other lists onto the ML. I personally see no problem with it
occasionally, but you seem to do it quite a bit. I would think anyone
interested would simply go and look for themselves... You can also
reference it just as well without actually forwarding messages. If
someone wishes to see their words on this list, it would stand to
reason that they would simply take the few moments to write it here
themselves. ;-)

> Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix wrote:
> >
> > The CP may not be most popular bunch these days, but I would like

to

> > point out that the enormous amount of work we have put in
> collectively
> > to reconstruct the State Religio, from the ground work done by PM
> > Marcus Cassius Iulianus to the exhaustive research done by Gaius
> Iulius
> > Scarus on this current issue, has been done for the benefit of
> everyone in
> > Nova Roma.
>
> I feel compelled to ask: what evidence do we have of this work? Is
> there
> a file library of your research? A public presence other than when

you

> are defending your prerogatives? As I pointed out in a previous

post,

> feasts of three of Dii Immortales were publicly ignored during the
> past
> nine days while the implications of Scaurus' "exhaustive" research
> have
> been debated. I have see NO mention of passing festivals on this

list.

> While you get your "baseline" drawn with such pedantic care, the

Gods

> are publicly ignored. Seems to me you need more pontifices - male or
> female - to put the public back into the Religio Publica.
> --- End forwarded message ---

Salvete Quirites;
today the nones of December is the Faunalia! A festival to
celebrate the rustic god Faunus who watches over the herds and
forests.

It is a fine day to be a pagan; so offer wine, flowers and dance
in a wildwood to celebrate Faunus!
optime valete
Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana

> I feel compelled to ask: what evidence do we have of this
> work? Is there a file library of your research? A public
> presence other than when you are defending your prerogatives?
> As I pointed out in a previous post, feasts of three of Dii
> Immortales were publicly ignored during the past nine days
> while the implications of Scaurus' "exhaustive" research have
> been debated. I have see NO mention of passing festivals on this list.
> While you get your "baseline" drawn with such pedantic care,
> the Gods are publicly ignored. Seems to me you need more
> pontifices - male or female - to put the public back into the
> Religio Publica.

Quite frankly, if the Collegium didn't have to spend it's time defending
itself against people like you who spend your time attacking it, it just
might be able to give that public presence. But unfortunately for the
People, we have a Collegium which absolutely has to defend itself from
people like you who attack it and its members, every time it takes a step in
the direction of progress.

Metellus Postumianus

Salve Livia, et salvete Quirites,

C. Fabia Livia wrote:

> Incidentally, I know of at least one other person who
> would love to stand for something if only he weren't
> too young. Can anyone clarify for me why the age
> limit for vigintisexviri is set at 21 and not 18?

It's been Nova Roman custom and tradition. I don't know of any reason
in law why it has to be. Certainly the Senate can waive these things.
If you'll have the potential candidate contace me I can ask the Senate
to grant a waiver.

Vale,

-- Marinus

avete Cives Novae Romae

dawn in Rome, time to pack and leave the Urbs for the weekend, not before come to you and submit my candidacy for the position of Praetor.

I'm 36 years old and I've been a civis for almost 3 years; here a summary
of what I have done in Nova Roma so far:

2755 Scriba Propraetoris Provinciae Italiae
Member of the Magna Mater Project Staff

2756 Scriba Aedilis Curulis
Scriba Propraetoris Provinciae Italiae
Member of the Magna Mater Project Staff

2757 Aedilis Curulis
Vicarius Provinciae Italiae
Aedilis Urbis Romae Pro Tempore
Chief of the Magna Mater Project Staff

Those interested in a more detailed description of my past work will
find it at:

http://www.geocities.com/m_iulius/

Also, I am a member of the new "Libra" Alliance:

http://www.fraelovdesign.it/libra

If elected for this important role, I plan to serve NR with the same
dedication I've been giving for the past years. As Praetor, my primary
duty will be to insure the Law is respected.

Thank you


Valete optime

Marcus Iulius Perusianus
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Aedilis Curulis
Vicarius Propraetoris et Legatus Internis Rebus Italiae
Magister Academiae Italicae
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Cohors Aedilis MIP: http://www.insulaumbra.com/aediles/perusianus/
Home Page: http://www.geocities.com/m_iulius
Italia Provincia: http://italia.novaroma.org
SignaRomanorum: http://italia.novaroma.org/signaromanorum
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Salvete, Omnes:

I, Quintus Bianchius Rufinus, declare my candidacy for the office of
Quaestor.

I am 33 years old, and have been a citizen of Nova Roma since May
2003. I hold a Bachelor's Degree in Accounting, and have experience
in small business as an accountant, tracking the finances, and
generating financial reports. As an accountant, I aided in the
startup of a small business. I beleive that I am an organized, and
effecient hard worker, and I would like to offer these services to
our Republic in the capacity of Quaestor. I would like to serve Nova
Roma, and am asking for your vote.

Bene Valete:

Quintus Bianchius Rufinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <xkaelusx@y...> wrote:

>
> Another reminder, I think, to keep in mind the way our forebearers
> thought, and to dismantle the cultural constructs in order to see
> their reasoning, and come to more stable decisions in the field of
> reconstruction. That anyone would sue because they can't overcome

the

> cultural constructs embedded into their own worldview, and soberly
> look history in the face, is outrageous.
>

Yes, I have been quite amused at all the ruckus that this portrayal
of Alexander has caused.

It's like the Greek Orthodox Church (and the others who are upset at
it) are screaming "How DARE you present Ancient Greeks as having non-
Southern Baptist moral and cultural norms??"

If pissed off Jews couldn't sue Mel Gibson over the "Passion", no one
is going to be able to touch Oliver Stone or Warner Bros. These
people should all recieve reminder letters that they live in the free
world... and so do directors and artists.


Taurinus

Salvete Gale Agori Taurine et omnes,

Thanks to all of you who are replying to my post. I was just watching
CNN and the Greek powers to be that were suing, yesterday and after
seeing the movie, withdrew their legal action saying it wasn't bad
afterall and there was not the graphic gay sex scenes they thought
would occur. The same history repeats itself again which is people
condemning a film without even seeing it; rather foolish don't you
think.

Anyway 30 years ago in hgh school we studied Alexander and were
taught that at that time homosexual relationships were encouraged in
the Greek army since you'd likely fight 10x harder to protect your
tent partner lover's life and vice- versa. The movie is saying
nothing new in this respect.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Galus Agorius Taurinus"
<g_agorius_taurinus@y...> wrote:

>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <xkaelusx@y...> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Another reminder, I think, to keep in mind the way our

forebearers

> > thought, and to dismantle the cultural constructs in order to see
> > their reasoning, and come to more stable decisions in the field

of

> > reconstruction. That anyone would sue because they can't overcome
> the
> > cultural constructs embedded into their own worldview, and

soberly

> > look history in the face, is outrageous.
> >
>
>
>
> Yes, I have been quite amused at all the ruckus that this portrayal
> of Alexander has caused.
>
> It's like the Greek Orthodox Church (and the others who are upset

at

> it) are screaming "How DARE you present Ancient Greeks as having

non-

> Southern Baptist moral and cultural norms??"
>
> If pissed off Jews couldn't sue Mel Gibson over the "Passion", no

one

> is going to be able to touch Oliver Stone or Warner Bros. These
> people should all recieve reminder letters that they live in the

free

> world... and so do directors and artists.
>
>
> Taurinus

MANIVS CONSTANTINVS SERAPIO QVIRITIBVS SPD

It is with great pride that I announce my candidacy for the office
of Aedilis Plebis.

I am a Novaroman citizen since 5th May 2001 and am 22 years old.
The main task of the Plebeian Aediles is to organize Games and
entertainment for the citizens. I have been fortunate enough to have
gained great experience in this field.
Two years ago I was appointed Scriba of an Aedilis Plebis, Tiberius
Apollonius Cicatrix. With him I organized several Ludi which met
with great success.

Most importantly, last year you elected me Quaestor and I was
assigned to an Aedilis Curulis, Franciscus Apulus Caesar, with whom
I worked very well taking part to the organization of Games,
festivals, and an international Nova Roma meeting.

If you will elect me, I will collaborate with the other Aediles to
ensure a wonderful year of Games for the citizens and for the Gods!
This year I didn't cover any office as I wanted to fully dedicate my
time to my Provincia, but now I am willing to offer again my service
to the whole Republic.

As always when I ask for your vote, I ask you to consider if I ever
disappointed you by not fulfilling my duty. Nobody will be able to
say it, as I always fulfilled the engagements I undertook. As some
citizens will remember I even fulfilled ones I *did not* undertake!
And I see no reason why I should not do it again!

For further information, I invite you to visit my website at
http://www.geocities.com/mcserapio/index.html

VOTE SERAPIO FOR AEDILIS PLEBIS!

OPTIME VALETE
Manius Constantinus Serapio
Propraetor Italiae
Censorial Scriba (Caeso Fabius Quintilianus)
Praefectus Sodalitatis Egressus for Italia
Member of the LIBRA ALLIANCE
http://www.fraelovdesign.it/libra/index.htm

Salvete omnes,

It was not my intention to run for any offices this year as I wanted to take
a gap year and follow the cursus honorum to the letter.

I have been contacted, however, by many people who have convinced me that I
should once again step up and offer my services to Nova Roma as Rogator.

Why Rogator? Because for the past year I had the honour of serving with
Censor K. Fabius Quintilianus as his senior scriba and chief of staff. I have also
been responsible of overseeing the application process with my fellow scribae
M. Martiana Marcella and G. Flavia Aureliana. Both have done a tremendous job
in welcoming new citizens; My thoughts also go to Modia Agrippina who has
unfortunately left us but who has been a fantastic asset to the team.

In a word, as Rogator I could offer Nova Roma a well oiled working office
with dedicated people. We have been working hard over the past year to bring
nomenclature in Nova Roma closer to ancient practice and I would certainly now
welcome the chance to carry on the good work and bring consistency and stability
in our approvals processes.

As for my credentials, I have been a citizen since Sept 2000 and have since
helped my provincia, Britannia, to once again reach an active status by serving
as Legatus under D. Iunius Silanus and G. Fabia Livia.
I have recently been elected Quaestor and been affected to M. Iulius
Perusianus with some responsability on the Magna Mater project.

Please help me to serve once more, not in a glamourous office but as a hard
working clerk to keep the heart of Nova Roma ticking.

Optime Valete

C. Moravius Laureatus Armoricus


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C. Moravius Laureatus wrote:

> Please help me to serve once more, not in a
> glamourous office but as a hard
> working clerk to keep the heart of Nova Roma
> ticking.

And I have to be the first to tell you all that you
should certainly vote for Laureatus, always, for
whatever office he stands for. And, in particular,
that you should vote for him this year, when he's
giving up his year off to keep the republic's
day-to-day mechanisms in good order.

As the current governor of Britannia, I have to tell
you that Laureatus is an excellent legate, and a huge
asset to the province; I also know that he's been
doing sterling work for the Censor's office recently.

All in all, citizens, you could not have a better
candidate.

Livia


=====
C. Fabia Livia
Candidate for Curule Aedile





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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Manius Constantinus Serapio"
<mcserapio@y...> wrote:

>
> MANIVS CONSTANTINVS SERAPIO QVIRITIBVS SPD
>
> It is with great pride that I announce my candidacy for the office
> of Aedilis Plebis.
>
>

Salvete omnes,

Ah, here comes another candidate for our elections that is a
great "doer". Manivs Constantinvs Serapio sets very high goals and
standards for himself and I can assure my fellow citizens that he
always gets them accomplished. My first post in Nova Roma was scribe
for him and I can assure you all that his capabilities in the offices
he assumes are no less than very impressive. Actually when I first
got to know Manivs Constantinvs, I thought he was a much older person
of at least 40 years... until I read his profile! I never did get get
over my shock and surprise at the maturity that far surpassed his
chronological age.

We shall certainly not be mistaken sending him to the office of
Aedilis Plebis!

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

LOL...."These people should all recieve reminder letters that they live in the free world... and so do directors and artists." True enough.....

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Salvete Quirites, et salve Gai Minuci,

Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix wrote:

> The last few months I've noticed my e-mails to the various Yahoo! Groups
> I belong to are taking longer, and longer to actually get posted. In
> some cases it can take several hours from the point I hit "send" and
> when the message actually shows up. [...] Is anyone else having this problem?

Yes, sometimes. The Nova-Roma mailing list is especially bad about it.
I know that I can send a message to multiple mailing lists and see it
show up in other lists almost instantly while the one going through NR
will take anywhere from a minute to a couple of hours to echo back.

This seems to be a Yahoo server problem.

I'd recommend that for any time-critical communications you send e-mail
copies directly to the involved persons.

Valete,

-- Marinus

Salve Caecili Metelle;
It actually took me all of 10 minutes to post the date and meaning
of the Faunalia. Oh I had to check the NR interactive calendar and
then another excellent one with information. Here is the url
http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/aegsa/rome/romec.html

We all have 10 minutes....
bene vale in pace deorum
M. Arminia Maior Fabiana
Propraetrix Hiberniae
caput Officina Iuriis
et Investigatio CFQ

> Quite frankly, if the Collegium didn't have to spend it's time

defending

> itself against people like you who spend your time attacking it, it

just

> might be able to give that public presence. But unfortunately for

the

> People, we have a Collegium which absolutely has to defend itself

from

> people like you who attack it and its members, every time it takes

a step in

> the direction of progress.
>
> Metellus Postumianus

Salvete Omnes,
I updated and corrected the list of candidates
www.novaroma.org/election/2577

Please check if your name is in the list and if your dates are
correct.

Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar