Salvete Omnes !

I annonce here my candidacy for Quaestor.

I am firmly convinced that it is essential to preserve our Roman
ancient heritage. Moreover, our world is heading for a disaster, and
only the virtues of our ancestors will be able to save it, and they
must thus be restored. Also, as soon as I discovered Nova-Roma, I
wanted to serve it.

Here are the positions I held within Nova-Roma, as soon as I was citizen:
MMDCCLV: Galliae Propraetoris Scriba (Sexto Appolonio Scipione
Galliae Propraetore)
MMDCCLVI: Consulis Accensus Ordinarius (Caesone Fabio Quintiliano
Consule)
MMDCCLVII: Galliae Legatus (Diana Octavia Aventina Galliae Propraetore)

I am the current Propraetor of Gallia, where my team and me are
carrying out the difficult task to lead it to the level of
developpment of the other provinciae.

You will find in me one of most serious, faithful, sincere and
determined supports of our Republic.

Valete !

Lucius Rutilius Minervalis
Provinciae Galliae Propraetor

Salvete, quirites.

This is my fourth time before you in the toga candida. The two first
times you elected me to serve you as quaestor and curator araneum,
respectively. The third time I backed out of the running as other duties
made me realise I would not be able to devote enough time to Nova Roma.

However, now I am in a position to offer myself to you as a Curule
Aedile, to serve the people and the gods of Nova Roma. I ask of you to
approve of me for this and give me yet another chance to work for the
res publica.

By profession I am a computer scientist, though my studies have been
expanded with, among other things, latin. I have in Nova Roma worked not
only as an independent magistrate, but also as a consular accensus,
curatorial scriba and provincial scriba, legate and sacerdos.

As some of you may know, I am a member of the Libra Alliance. This is
not a political party, so I will not be following a "party line" as a
magistrate, only my own conscience. However, I will adhere to our stated
platform whenever I'm in doubt.

http://www.fraelovdesign.it/libra/platform.htm

I have not prepared a website for my candidacy, nor will I. If you want
to know more about me, I instead direct you to either my homepage or my
Album Civium entry:

http://thule.darkeye.net/~from/
http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view?id=1982

Neither says very much about me, I guess, so if you want to know more,
feel free to drop me a line. I'll answer as soon as I can.

Valete, Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus.

T. Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus:

> As some of you may know, I am a member of the Libra Alliance.
> This is not a political party

I'm confused. As I understand it, the Libra Alliance has a platform,
a membership, a number of candidates for public office, and it makes
endorsements. If that doesn't make it a political party, could you
enlighten me as to what properties of a political party it lacks?

Vale,
Claudia Iulia

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Susan Davis wrote:

> I'm confused. As I understand it, the Libra Alliance
> has a platform, a membership, a number of candidates
> for public office, and it makes endorsements. If that
> doesn't make it a political party, could you enlighten
> me as to what properties of a political party it lacks?

Salve, Claudia Iulia.

It lacks two definite qualities which I would associate with a political
party.

First, we don't have a "party line". A decision by the Alliance on what
should be done is not binding on the members, just a guideline. If a
member chooses to go their own path, that is up to them, and will not
bring "punishment" from the other members.

Second, there is no "leader". We all have equal say, which can sometimes
be confusing, but allows all of us to give our opinions on a matter. If
an agreement can't be reached, there is no chairman to make a final
decision or force one to be made.

I am sure that people more familiar with actual party politic than
myself can find other discrepancies, but these are the ones I am aware of.

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius.

Salvete Omnes.

I would like to endorse the candidacy of Marcia Martiana Marcella.

I have had numerous contacts with her through the Censorial office
when dealing with the applications of new citizens and I have found
her to be thoroughly efficient, organized and fully capable.

At the same time she has demonstrated she has an excellent sense of
humour and very good interpersonal skills. She is scrupulously fair
and always has demonstrated strict adherence to procedure.

I feel certain she will bring these qualities to the office of
Rogator and would make as excellent a Rogator as she has scriba and
would encourage all citizens to cast their vote for her.

Valete
Gnaeus Iulius Caesar

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Marcia Martiana Marcella
<marcella@m...> wrote:

> Salvete Omnes,
>
> It has been my privilege to work as scriba for Censor Caeso
> Fabius Quintilianus for the past seven months.

P. Minius Albucius amicis quiritibus s.d.



Salvete Quirites !


I come before the Plebs, the People, the Senate and the Magistrates of Nova Roma today to announce my humble candidacy for the office of Tribune of the Plebs.

I am a young assiduus citizen of Nova Roma for I had the honor to be admitted in the Republic this year. Plebeian, I belong to the gens Minia and am currently scriba propraetoris to the honorable Governor of Gallia Propr. Lu. Rutilius Minervalis.

With the agreement and the support of Propraetor Rutilius, I have decided to run for the prestigious office of Tribune of the Plebs.

Why did I decide to ask your support, friends Quirites ?

Because, as I had no first intention to run for an office, I realized, during the debate in last November on Tribune Arminius project of law, how weak could be our institutions if not protected by the People and the Magistrates of Nova Roma. Then, I have been among these citizens who tried to underline the unconstitutionality of the project and how dangerous for our future was keeping silent on that kind of irregularities, even committed with the best intentions. This need for action and civil watch is still accurate.

In these circumstances, the office of tribune of the Plebs seems to fit that need. This is why I am asking for your help.

I am a 44 years old latinist, with some life experience and a law PhD. Executive manager in a public organization and consultant, I am fond of History and of all matter interesting ancient Rome. I have created or entered in many non profit organizations in fields as social action, transnational cooperation, sport or urban development.

I thus think that, in this time that seems crucial for Nova Roma, I could be a useful and active Tribune, a voice for the Plebs, the People, and the Institutions of Nova Roma. In this office, I think that I could do a good work with these citizens, who, like me, have not hesitated to propose their free candidacy, just moved by the will to serve our Res Publica.

Optime valete, Quirites amicique.


Scr. Cadomago, Gallia, a.d. VIII Id. Dec. MMDCCLVII a.u.c.



Publius Minius Albucius









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Thank you Claudia Iulia!

I've added your name to the ballot.

-- Marinus

Susan Davis <futabachan@...> writes:

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> > This is great, but then I look at the situation with Diribator
> > (vote counter), and see that I only have 2 candidates for 4
> > openings.
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> I hadn't intended to stand for office this year, but I'd be happy to
> help Nova Roma out with this. I've been a citizen for over a year,
> and have paid my taxes although my Album Genitum page hasn't been
> updated to reflect that fact.
>
> I am neither a supporter of the Boni nor of the Libra Alliance nor of
> any other Nova Roman political faction. I'm one of the founders of
> the (non-NR) Temple of Magna Mater in Mediatlantica province, and we
> try to stay out of Nova Roman politics, which makes me the sort of
> disinterested party that this position demands.
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> Claudia Iulia
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Susan Davis <futabachan@...> writes:

> I'm confused. As I understand it, the Libra Alliance has a platform,
> a membership, a number of candidates for public office, and it makes
> endorsements. If that doesn't make it a political party, could you
> enlighten me as to what properties of a political party it lacks?

Organization... organized leadership... *smile*

Mind you, I'm one of 'em, but as much as we agree on there's a lot we disagree
on too. The Alliance has a lot of very senior people who've been around NR
for a long time, and as you might guess with that much Dignitas and
Auctoritas in the room we don't always see eye to eye. What we do agree on
is Polybius' model for a Roman Republic. That's what brought us together and
that's what caused us to form the formal alliance.

Vale,

-- Marinus

AVETE OMNES

Myself being another member of the Libra Alliance, I'd like to add
something.
The Libra is composed of people whose dedication, whose serious work
has been proved in the past. The Platform of the Libra is what all
of the allies agree on and aim at for the future of Nova Roma.
The list of the Libra candidates is not a list of names the allies
*must* support and vote for. In the Alliance we're free to vote for
those we whish, independently on the fact their name is written on
that list.
However, that list is a guarantee. It tells people that the
candidates whose name is written there belong to the Libra Alliance,
which means that they already proved to be trustworthy people, they
already proved to actively work for the growth of Nova Roma, and
that they will keep doing it according to the Platform we share.

For those who don't know the Libra Alliance yet, please visit our
website at:
http://www.fraelovdesign.it/libra/index.htm

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Ave Pius,
There's a couple flaws to your statement that Libra is not a political party. Firstly you said highlighting what you view as the first of two qualities Libra lacks as:

"First, we don't have a "party line". A decision by the Alliance on what should be done is not binding on the members, just a guideline. If a member chooses to go their own path, that is up to them, and will not bring "punishment" from the other members."

While it may not have a "party line", it has an clearly laid out platform. No political party within a democratic society could reasonably punish a member for not strictly following the party line. In the United States both Republican and Democrat parties have had their own dissenters. Zell Miller (though that is a weak example due to his retirement after the current Congress ends) of the Democrats, John McCain of the Republicans. So adherence to a perty line is really irrelevent. This is not a Soviet style political system. In all parties or political entities you will have people who agree in principle on the platform but differ in the degree to which each aspect of the platform is implemented or addressed.

"Second, there is no "leader". We all have equal say, which can sometimes be confusing, but allows all of us to give our opinions on a matter. If an agreement can't be reached, there is no chairman to make a final decision or force one to be made."

To a certain degree I'd grant this point but at the same time the common agreement I would view as leadership. I highly doubt any one member would up and leave if everyone else didn't give them their way.Chances are though through enough civil communication a common agreement could be reached on just about any issue since chances are members of Libra share a common base of agreement.

Since I have never, in all the time I studied politics in government, contemplated what a political party is. Reflecting on it now, as it pertains to open systems of government, I tend to view it as an organization or entity consisting of members who share a common set of principles (the platform). Strict adherence to those principles at one extreme or another is not necessary. The subject of leadership could go either way so I'll leave that alone.
Libra, has a platform, membership roster, has candidates (or openly supports its members running for election, and encourgaes others to join its ranks. It is a group of individuals who IMO share certain common principles. It is a political party.

While if the group of individuals in question could have avoided this criticism, regradless of whether it affects Libra or not, had they chosen to go about things differently. But it's there choice. I just find the platform awfully vague. As they are worded I see no problem with points 2, 3, 6. The other three points could be more contentious because the support they receive from the individual cive is dependent upon how they are gone about.


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Gn. Julius Caesar Cornelianus wrote, quoting T.
Octavius Pius:

> "Second, there is no "leader". We all have equal
> say, which can sometimes be confusing, but allows
> all of us to give our opinions on a matter. If an
> agreement can't be reached, there is no chairman to
> make a final decision or force one to be made."
>
> To a certain degree I'd grant this point but at the
> same time the common agreement I would view as
> leadership. I highly doubt any one member would up
> and leave if everyone else didn't give them their
> way.Chances are though through enough civil
> communication a common agreement could be reached on
> just about any issue since chances are members of
> Libra share a common base of agreement.

It might be interesting to note in the light of this
point that the Green party in Britain, while
definitely claiming to be a political party, also
claims to have no leadership - everything is decided
consensually at a local level. Sheds some interesting
light on the question ;)

Livia


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Salve Gn. Jul. Caesar Cornelianus -

I'll agree that any reasonable person could easily define any of NR's
Factions as Political Parties - "If it walks like a duck, and quacks
like a duck"....

However, self-identity is even more important: The Boni insist they are
a "Group of Friends", therefore they are a group of friends until the
members begin to think of themselves as a Party. The Libra Alliance
says they are allies of one another, and that's it: They don't identify
as a Party, so they aren't a Party - they're Allies.

A group of people may form around shared beliefs, but they aren't a
Religion until they declare (and identify) themselves as a Religion -
they're just a group with beliefs in common until that point. Same
thing here, though the beliefs are on Policy.

Vale
- Troianus
On Monday, December 6, 2004, at 05:47 PM, Gn. Julius Caesar
Cornelianus wrote:

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>
> Ave Pius,
> There's a couple flaws to your statement that Libra is
> not a political party. Firstly you said highlighting what you view as
> the first of two qualities Libra lacks as:
>
> "First, we don't have a "party line". A decision by the Alliance on
> what should be done is not binding on the members, just a guideline.
> If a member chooses to go their own path, that is up to them, and will
> not bring "punishment" from the other members."
>
> While it may not have a "party line", it has an clearly laid out
> platform. No political party within a democratic society could
> reasonably punish a member for not strictly following the party line.
> In the United States both Republican and Democrat parties have had
> their own dissenters. Zell Miller (though that is a weak example due
> to his retirement after the current Congress ends) of the Democrats,
> John McCain of the Republicans. So adherence to a perty line is
> really irrelevent. This is not a Soviet style political system. In
> all parties or political entities you will have people who agree in
> principle on the platform but differ in the degree to which each
> aspect of the platform is implemented or addressed.
>
> "Second, there is no "leader". We all have equal say, which can
> sometimes be confusing, but allows all of us to give our opinions on a
> matter. If an agreement can't be reached, there is no chairman to make
> a final decision or force one to be made."
>
> To a certain degree I'd grant this point but at the same time the
> common agreement I would view as leadership. I highly doubt any one
> member would up and leave if everyone else didn't give them their
> way.Chances are though through enough civil communication a common
> agreement could be reached on just about any issue since chances are
> members of Libra share a common base of agreement.
>
> Since I have never, in all the time I studied politics in government,
> contemplated what a political party is. Reflecting on it now, as it
> pertains to open systems of government, I tend to view it as an
> organization or entity consisting of members who share a common set of
> principles (the platform). Strict adherence to those principles at
> one extreme or another is not necessary. The subject of leadership
> could go either way so I'll leave that alone.
> Libra, has a platform, membership roster, has candidates (or openly
> supports its members running for election, and encourgaes others to
> join its ranks. It is a group of individuals who IMO share certain
> common principles. It is a political party.
>
> While if the group of individuals in question could have avoided this
> criticism, regradless of whether it affects Libra or not, had they
> chosen to go about things differently. But it's there choice. I just
> find the platform awfully vague. As they are worded I see no problem
> with points 2, 3, 6. The other three points could be more contentious
> because the support they receive from the individual cive is dependent
> upon how they are gone about.
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> I'll agree that any reasonable person could easily
> define any of NR's
> Factions as Political Parties - "If it walks like a
> duck, and quacks
> like a duck"....

I'm working on a very interesting essay at the moment
about intertextuality in discourse, and so I'm
permanently on the lookout for people saying things
which prove my points. So, could I possibly quote
this (anonymously, of course) as an example of you
quoting McCarthy, on the basis that it would be
impossible for a conversation analyst (particularly
one who doesn't know you) to know whether you meant to
associate parties with communism (or negativity in
general), or just to use a phrase which has become
common usage? (You can tell me, if you like, which it
was, but it isn't really necessary for the essay that
I know the answer! And I can probably guess.)

Let me know if I have your permission to quote you :)
I hope you're keeping well - it's been ages since we
spoke. Good luck with the Quaestorship!

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> I'm working on a very interesting essay at the
> moment
> about intertextuality in discourse

Oops. I meant to change the address on that, because
I doubt the public really cares about my workload! ;)

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Salva C. Fabia Livia -

Feel free to quote me all you like!
As for my choice of words, it was deliberate: In addition to the
"common usage" element (necessary for non-native English speakers), it
was intentional to select a phrase that conjured images of "guilt by
association", for that is what too often happens in an e-mail context:
We lack cues like gesture, tone of voice etc., so we tend to reach for
other cues. Unfortunately, too often it is seizing on a "cue" that was
not meant as such - much like accusing someone wearing red of Communist
sympathies when they really just think they look good in the colour.

As for associating Political Parties with Communism (or even
"negatively in general"), I'm afraid that's an example of reaching for
a cue that wasn't meant: My choice was only meant to be connected with
"guilt by association" and no further. (There was also intended an
element of "presumption", which you didn't pick up on - To wit, that
the "guilt by association" is often an erroneous presumption: It isn't
necessarily a duck; it could be a decoy or something else. Perhaps I
should have included another cue....).

The vagueries of e-mail are worthy of a dissertation.

Vale
- Troianus

On Monday, December 6, 2004, at 07:23 PM, C. Fabia Livia wrote:

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>> I'll agree that any reasonable person could easily
>> define any of NR's
>> Factions as Political Parties - "If it walks like a
>> duck, and quacks
>> like a duck"....
>
> I'm working on a very interesting essay at the moment
> about intertextuality in discourse, and so I'm
> permanently on the lookout for people saying things
> which prove my points. So, could I possibly quote
> this (anonymously, of course) as an example of you
> quoting McCarthy, on the basis that it would be
> impossible for a conversation analyst (particularly
> one who doesn't know you) to know whether you meant to
> associate parties with communism (or negativity in
> general), or just to use a phrase which has become
> common usage? (You can tell me, if you like, which it
> was, but it isn't really necessary for the essay that
> I know the answer! And I can probably guess.)
>
> Let me know if I have your permission to quote you :)
> I hope you're keeping well - it's been ages since we
> spoke. Good luck with the Quaestorship!
>
> Livia
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Heh heh heh - & I forgot to look myself: I just hit "reply"!
My apologies to those who are bored by such things.

- Troianus

On Monday, December 6, 2004, at 07:24 PM, C. Fabia Livia wrote:

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>> I'm working on a very interesting essay at the
>> moment
>> about intertextuality in discourse
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> Oops. I meant to change the address on that, because
> I doubt the public really cares about my workload! ;)
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> Feel free to quote me all you like!

Thank you :)

> As for associating Political Parties with Communism
> (or even
> "negatively in general"), I'm afraid that's an
> example of reaching for
> a cue that wasn't meant: My choice was only meant to
> be connected with
> "guilt by association" and no further.

Does guilt not imply any kind of negativity, to you?
I don't feel guilty about things I don't think are
bad... (And I guessed you didn't mean to bring
communism in to the picture, though the quote does
tend to bring it to mind.)

> (There was
> also intended an
> element of "presumption", which you didn't pick up
> on - To wit, that
> the "guilt by association" is often an erroneous
> presumption: It isn't
> necessarily a duck; it could be a decoy or something
> else. Perhaps I
> should have included another cue....).

Thank you. I wasn't attempting a full analysis in my
e-mail, as you may have guessed - just a quick example
of what sort of thing I might write about, in case
that had some impact on your decision of whether to
let me do it :) I imagine I'll come up with a few
more possibilities (which you didn't intend) when I
come to write it all down!

> The vagueries of e-mail are worthy of a
> dissertation.

So many things are, and there's so little time!

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> Heh heh heh - & I forgot to look myself: I just hit
> "reply"!
> My apologies to those who are bored by such things.

And, assuming you'd made the change, I just did it
again. This must be the longest chain of such errors
in the history of e-mail... let's try to get it right
next time!

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Salvete Omnes !

I annonce here my candidacy for Quaestor and it fills position 8 I
see.

Over the last 2.5 years I have put my heart and interest into Nova
Roma. I wish to be a strong force in preserving our Roman culture
and have always had a deep yearing for it since childhood. Yes, we
have had some set backs or even boderline disasters in Nova Roma but
let us not forget that our Roman ancestors got off to a tough start
yet in 6 centuries they ruled the world only because they could take
their lumps but pushed on and on never giving up!
We should learn this lesson foremost and put it almost as virtue
number one with a triple star behind it.

I am interested in the office of Quaestor since history tells me it
was one of the best positions to hold in beginning a political
career. I have been further advised that if successful
a "Praetorian" Quaestor" would be ideal for my particular situation
but that of course will be for my Consuls to decide. You can all be
sure of my dedication, attention and tenacity in helping to build
Nova Roma.

The positions I hold within Nova-Roma are as follows:

1)Scriba Prefectae - Africa Septentrionalis

2)Dominus Praefectus - Egressus

3)Accensus For Consul Astur

4)Propraetor - Canada Occidentalis

Macro World Experience:

1)Wellsite Geologist // Occasional Drilling Foreman Work In the
past. (Requires good organizational abilities and above all
reliability around the clock)

2)Officer And past Coordinator of The Mexican Cultural Association
Of Edmonton, Alberta. (organizing get-togethers, fiestas, dances,
as well as cultural events.

3) Have done Ancient Roman cooking as a hobby.
Roman Education:

Thules - Latin 1, taking Scarus' Latin course ()currently on hold,
Roman History I, Roman Philosophy 1. I completed all assignments for
these courses.

I leave my first political step in the hands of our voters but
whatever the outcome, you can all be sure that my interest, work
cooperation and dedication will contine on with vigour.

Thank you,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Salvete omnes,

It is going to take all kinds of people to help build NR over time.
The fact that some of us are liberal or conservative in our ideas
should not thwart us as working together like a family to build this
organization. Even im my own macronational family I tend to vote for
our conservative party, two of my sisters vote liberal and the other
NDP (real left of liberal). We still love each other and get things
accomplished as a family none the less.

The Libra Alliance is a group of people who wish to get NR out of
the doldrums of late and I have been friends with many there. At the
same time I respect many members of the Boni and have friends there
as well. Lets not forget the contributions and time they put into NR.

As for this election, I will endorse and vote for the people who I
think are the best ticket for a paticular job; not based on the fact
they are either Boni or Libra Alliance members. I am sure many other
voters will follow the same idea and worry about who can commit
time, energy and perseverance and complete their jobs.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Servius Equitius Mercurius Troianus
<hermeticagnosis@e...> wrote

>
> The vagueries of e-mail are worthy of a dissertation.<<

____________________________________________________________

Salvete Omnes,

The winner of the understatement of the year award! ;-O

Valete,

G. Popillius Laenas

Salve Romans

As one of four ( so far) candidates for Praetor I wanted to ask a question of the other candidates and of the general population. I will of course answer it as well.

Should the Romans on the main list be allowed to be Romans?

Nova Romans live all over the world and for ease of communication we use the internet as our mode of communications, our Forum.

While I believe we should adhere to the Yahoo terms of service (and our laws) in order to keep our links, I believe in free speech even when a citizen is calling me a jerk. I know ancient Romans had thicker skins and we need to develop them as well.

We should let Romans be Romans on the main list.

While moderation is a responsibility of the Praetors protection of free speech should also be of paramount importance to them and all Nova Romans as it is a right guaranteed by our constitution . While I know the main list of Nova Roma falls under the jurisdiction of the Praetors , I do not believe other Nova Roman linked lists like the BA or the Taverna should be regulated by Nova Roman magistrates. I believe that we should be as civil as we can but I think we should be adult enough to forgive and forget some comments that the passions of the moment bring out. We all make mistakes in how we "talk" in the Forum. We should also keep in mind the rights afforded us by the Nova Roman Constitution

"The right to participate in all public fora and discussions, and the right to reasonably expect such fora to be supported by the State. Such communications, regardless of their content, may not be restricted by the State, except where they represent an imminent and clear danger to the Republic. Such officially sponsored fora may be expected to be reasonably moderated in the interests of maintaining order and civility;..."

None of the speech I have seen in my nearly three years in Nova Roma has come even close to being" an imminent and clear danger to the Republic "

Under the current Lex Octavia De Sermone the Praetors are charged with moderation of the public fora sponsored by Nova Roma. While the law states that moderation is ,among other things, subject to a intercessio by a Tribune we have learned this year that the Tribunes are not notified when a moderation is going to take place or has taken place. If elected I will post my moderations to the Main list so that intercessio by a Tribune can take place if they believe it is necessary.

So what do you think? Should we let the Romans on the main list be Romans?

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Candidate for Praetor






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"I'll agree that any reasonable person could easily define any of NR's Factions as Political Parties"
--true enough but I was simply giving my personal opinion of a political party as I see it. I do see differences between Libra and both the Moderati and Boni. But thats as I see it. I view the latter 2 as simply factions (similar to Caesarians and Anti-Caesarians after the murder of Caesar). But by the same token I was not around when these two factions came into being in NR politics or whenever these groups of citizens came together.

"self-identity is even more important...therefore they are a group of friends until the members begin to think of themselves as a Party."
--well I wasn't planning on busting out the propaganda machine until everyone saw them (Libra) as a party :)

Cornelianus


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Salvete cives,

I come before you as a candidate for custos. I contemplated running for
elected office this year and rejected the idea, figuring it was time for
fresh blood in our magistracies. However, a last minute suggestion by
one of our magistrates convinced to come out of retirement to fill this
new office to help oversee the elections. No office is unimportant if
it keeps the republic going.

To most of you I need no introduction nor does my service to Nova Roma.
I am currently a senator, lictor, legatus and praetorian scribe. I have
served as censor, consul, twice as praetor, curator Differum (as it was
called then), provincial governor, accensus, and as a scribe.

While a person of strong opinions, I am a fair man and have friends of
all political stripes in Nova Roma. In my macro life I work as a
reporter for a daily newspaper and deal fairly, objectively and
accurately with many issues on a daily basis. If elected, I will help
oversee our elections fairly, accurately and objectively.

Valete,

Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus

On Monday, December 6, 2004, at 11:29 PM, Gn. Julius Caesar
Cornelianus wrote:

> --well I wasn't planning on busting out the propaganda machine until
> everyone saw them (Libra) as a party :)
>
> Cornelianus

You have your very own propaganda machine? Cool!
Can I borrow it sometime?

- Troianus

Salve, Marine amice; salvete, omnes.

On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 11:04:03AM -0500, Bill Gawne wrote:
> Salvete Quirites,
>
> As I prepare to call the centuries and tribes tomorrow, there are still
> several magistracies that lack a sufficient number of candidates. While
> it's wonderful to see all the people who want to be Consul and Praetor,
> the other magistracies are important too.

[snip] I actually have quite a full workload these days - but on the
theory of "a little more won't be noticeable", I'm certainly willing to
contribute some of my time to Nova Roma... if the voters will have me.

Quirites - I hereby declare my my candidacy for Diribitor for the coming
year. As the qualifications for this post sound like they lie well
within my abilities, I believe that I shall be able to serve Nova Roma
well and efectively.

I am a member of the Libra Alliance, and I believe in its goals. It is,
in fact, the formation of this group that has once again given me hope
for Nova Roma - and I am willing to put effort behind that hope.

In my life ouside NR, I am a computer consultant and a professional
advancement instructor, teaching high-end technical courses in
programming, networks, and security. I'm also a recently-certified yoga
teacher, a pilot in training, a deep-water sailor, and the
Editor-in-Chief of the Linux Gazette (http://linuxgazette.net).

[grin] The word "boring" *is* part of my vocabulary, but it's almost never
applicable to my own life.


Valete, omnes -
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Alea iacta est!
Let the dice fly!
-- Julius Caesar, at the Rubicon

As Maior previously mentioned, the time has come for the Faunalia. It
is a three day observance, and falls on the sixth, seventh, and eigth
of this month. It is celebrated in honour of the god Faunus, seen as
the grandson of the Titan Saturnus and identified as the Latin
counterpart to the Greek Pan. He is a protector of goats; a woodland
god, indentified as the patron of both shepherds and prophets. Anyone
who wishes to offer sacrifices on these days should ideally go into
the woods to do so there. However, simply paying him special honours
during your household rite is good as well. :-)

It is a reminder to honour both our natural surroundings and the
wildlife that inhabits it, and to show reverence towards Faunus.
Remember though, it is a time of celebration and personal reflection
as well. Whether you practise the Religio Romana as your religio
privita or not, this is an perhaps a better time than any to re-
connect with the natural world.

The final day of the Faunalia falls on the festival of the Egyptian
goddess Ne'ith, identified by the Romans and Greeks as Minerva and
Athene, respectively. During the Late Empire, many Romans throughout
Asia Minor and southern Europe adopted Ne'ith into their personal
pantheon and honoured her on this day.

Sacrifices are also emphasised for Astrea (a Greacian goddess of the
dawn), Gaia (the earth Titan), Kybele (primarily through her
associated with Gaia and Rhea), and Tiberinus (god of the Tiber, an
important provincial deity of the Romans at home and abroad) on the
9th.

Valete,
Lucius Modius Kaelus

TRIBUNUS PLEBIS FRANCISCUS APULUS CAESAR OMNIBUS S.P.D.

The candidacy period expired, the deadline was at midnight 6th
December and I received many candidacies.

The official candidates for the plebeian magistracies are listed
below:

TRIBUNUS PLEBIS (5 open positions)
- Quintus Servilius Fidenas
- Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
- Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana
- Caius Curius Saturninus
- Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
- Marcus Bianchius Antonius
- Publius Minius Albucius

AEDILIS PLEBIS (2 open positions)
- Manius Constantinus Serapio

The vacant position as Aedilis Plebis would be assigned during the
next elections during the next month.

I would publish the call of the Comitia Plebis Tributa as soon as
possible.

Thank you very much for your attenction.

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit:

The Comitia Centuriata will assemble to vote for the ordinary Centuriate
magistracies for calendar year 2758 auc. The Contio will begin at the
fourth hour after noon, Roma time (Central European Time) on VII Dec.
and will last until midnight Roma time on XIV Dec. Voting will then
commence according to this schedule:

00:01 XV Dec: Voting by the Centuria Praerogativa *only* begins
00:01 XVI Dec: Rogatores capture tally of Centuria Praerogativa
00:01 XVII Dec: Voting by all First Class centuries now permitted
00:01 XIX Dec: Rogatores capture tally of all First Class centuries
00:01 XX Dec: Voting by all centuries now permitted
00:01 XXIV Dec: Voting ends

The Rogatores shall provide reports of the progress of the voting in
accordance with the provisions of the LEX FABIA DE RATIONE COMITIORUM
CENTURIATORUM.

The Centuria Praerogativa shall be the V century.

The magistracies to be filled, and the candidates for these magistracies
are:

CENSOR (1 opening)

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, citizen since 2001/05/23
http://novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=2356

CONSUL (2 openings)

Gaius Modius Athanasius, citizen since 2002/05/26
http://novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=4006

Pompeia Minucia-Tiberia Strabo, citizen since 2000/01/16
http://novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=289

Franciscus Apulus Caesar, citizen since 1999/06/16
http://novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=49

Gaius Popillius Laenas, citizen since 2001/02/12
http://novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=1781


PRAETOR (2 openings)

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus, citizen since 2002/01/21
http://novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=3443

Diana Octavia Aventina, citizen since 1999/09/25
http://novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=4128

Lucius Arminius Faustus, citizen since 2002/05/13
http://novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=3931

Marcus Iulius Perusianus, citizen since 2002/01/11
http://novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=3398

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit:

The Comitia Populi Tributa is called to vote for the Tribal magistrates
for calendar year 2758 auc. The Contio will begin at noon in Roma
(Central European Time) on VII Dec. and will continue until midnight in
Roma XIV Dec. Voting will then commence, beginning at 00:01 XV Dec and
lasting until midnight XXIII Dec. No votes received after 00:00 XXIV
Dec will be counted.

The presidium tribe shall be Menenia (tribe XVII).

There are two instances where we have fewer candidates than we have
openings. In those two instances, and those two only, I will continue
to accept declarations of candidacy from qualified candidates during the
Contio period until such time as candidates exist to fill all vacancies.


The magistracies, and the candidates for them, are:


AEDILIS CURULUS (2 openings)

Gaia Fabia Livia, citizen since 2001/12/18
http://novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=3207

Lucius Iulius Sulla, citizen since 2002/08/21
http://novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=4373

Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus, citizen since 2001/03/15
http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view?id=1982



QUAESTOR (8 openings)

Gaius Equitius Cato, citizen since 2004/03/17
http://novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=7186

Gaius Geminius Germanus, citizen since 2001/04/27
http://novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=1777

Lucius Cornelius Cicero, citizen since 2003/11/03
http://novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=6675

Quintus Bianchius Rufinus, citizen since 2003/05/05
http://novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=5665

Lucius Rutilius Minervalis, citizen since 2002/08/01
http://novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=4281

Quintus Lanius Paulinus, citizen since 2002/07/10
http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=4043

Servius Equitius Mercurius Troianus, citizen since 2003/11/08
http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=6694

Still need at least one more candidate



ROGATOR (2 openings)

Gaius Moravius Laureatus Armoricus, citizen since 2002/12/02
http://novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=4972

Marcia Martiana Marcella, citizen since 2004/03/31
http://novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=7233



DIRIBATOR (4 openings)

Caius Minucius Scaevola, citizen since 2002/02/25
http://novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=3581

Alexander Iulius Caesar Probus Macedonius, citizen since 1998/06/01
http://novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=407

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus, citizen since 2002/08/01
http://novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=4031

Claudia Iulia, citizen since 2003/11/10
http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=6700



CUSTOS (2 openings)

Gallus Minucius Iovinus, citizen since 2002/10/27
http://novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=4795

Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus, citizen since 1998/03/01
http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=17



MAGISTER ARANEARIUS (webmaster, 1 opening)

Lucius Modius Kaelus, citizen since 2004/07/12
http://novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=7635


EDITOR COMMENTARIORUM (editor of the Aquila, 1 opening)

Still need at least one candidate

Salvete Quirites, et salve Tiberi Galeri,

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus writes:

> As one of four ( so far) candidates for Praetor I wanted
> to ask a question of the other candidates and of the general
> population. I will of course answer it as well.
>
> Should the Romans on the main list be allowed to be Romans?

Such a deceptively simple question. My answer is that the Nova Roman
main list should be moderated just as magistrates of Roma Antiqua would
have moderated a similar mailing list if one had been available to them:
Applying tradition, custom, and law to ensure good order and a quality
communication medium.

We like to think of this main list as our forum. It's a good analogy in
many ways, but like all analogies it has limitations. Trying to push
the analogy beyond its limits invites problems.

Furthermore, we are a large, diverse, heterogeneous bunch. The Romans
of the ancient Republic were far more homogeneous in terms of their
attitudes, values, and beliefs. This commonality meant that a degree of
liberty was allowable in the ancient Forum because the magistrates had
confidence that they could easily restore order if chaos broke out. As
Rome grew, and the problem of keeping the Forum frequenters in order
grew with it, there was a commensurate increase in the restrictions on
behavior permitted ordinary Romans in the Forum.

You're a good man Galerius. We've worked together to do a lot of good
things over the past few years, and I expect we'll continue to do so.
But if you get your wish and are elected Praetor, you're going to
discover that you'll need your imperium to keep order. Don't paint
yourself into a corner you can't get out of by promising liberties
you'll regret later. Praetors have to be both firm and fair. Don't
erode your auctoritas by promising to go limp if elected.

Vale,

-- Marinus

Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus Candidatis Tribunatui Plebis salutem
dicit.

Salvete, Fratres sororesque.

Yet again, for the second consecutive year, we have yet not enough
candidates for the Aedileship of the Plebes, but yet an abudnance of
candidates for the Tribunate. Surely, I do not argue, the Tribunate comes
with the greater power and prestige now, but is not the greater honor in
serving the Republic where it needs someone to serve? I see that, of the
seven candidates, only three (M. Bianchius, C. Curius, and C. Vipsanius)
have started the Cursus; would it not be better to work one's way into such
a position, with hard work and dedication to the People, serving in the
Plebeian Aedileship? I should think that of these people who are all too
willing to take up the Plebeian cause would be willing to step down from the
"position of power" and take the unfilled Aedileship. Or are power and
politics now the driving force, rather than service to the Republic? I
should hope not.

Candidates for the Tribunate, I call on you to stand not for power, but for
the Plebeian cause, and for the Republic. I call on you to stand for the
Plebeian Aedileship, at least one of you.

Optime Valete,

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
Public Servant
Plebeian

Salve Galeri Pauline;
As a civis who can dish out invective with the best of them, I
for one adore our present list where all manner of important topics,
for example; 'female pontifices' can be discussed in a cordial
rational and civilized manner.
I have actually invited cives back to the ML telling them it is
no longer a place where a few bullies rule.
Perhaps it is elections and the hope of votes that is keeping the
peace but I for one desire a praetor who will be strong enough to
keep the present civilty, where all opinions are fully discussed and
all voices heard. Not the few.
bene vale
Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana
candidate for Tribune of the Plebs!

Propraetrix Hiberniae
caput Offincia Iuriis
et Investigatio CFQ

>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus writes:
>
> > As one of four ( so far) candidates for Praetor I wanted
> > to ask a question of the other candidates and of the general
> > population. I will of course answer it as well.
> >
> > Should the Romans on the main list be allowed to be Romans?
>

Salve Caecile Metelle;
perhaps 'power and politics' is your motive in asking this
question...

But I regard having myself and D. Constantinus Fuscus two macro
lawyers who both study Roman Law as a plus acting on behalf of the
Plebians, especially with Caius Curius Satuninus who is a fine Roman
historian.
I started as a scriba in Censor Quintilianus's office and then
was raised to caput and legal advisor on Roman law. My ideal is to
continue the great tradition of my gens brother L. Arminus Faustus,
who asked me to run, and help return the Tribunate to its historical
roots.
bene vale
Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana
candidate for Tribune of the Plebs
Propraetrix Hiberniae
caput Officina Iuriis
et Investigatio CFQ

> ". Or are power and
> politics now the driving force, rather than service to the

Republic? I

> should hope not.
>
>

Salvete omnes,

Hopefully we will get some other citizens to step up to the plate
for these more junior positions. Since many people are not kicking
the doors off the hinges to race in these offices, you would be
pretty well guarenteed that job at the moment and that would be a
great start for a political career.

I earlier thought of the office of Tribune and one or two others but
I read what Consul Marine said about the duties there; a thorough
knowledge of our laws and constitution was in order. My interests
are the Latin language to cooking and I admit Nova Roman law is on
my backburner for the moment. As Propraetor, I can and would always
get advice from our experts before shooting my mouth off on a
particular legal issue but I admit I am not in a good position to
give advice or interpret legalities for the moment. Now people with
legal backgrounds like Marca Armenia Maior, D. Constantinus Fuscus
or someone like Ganeus Iulius Caesar do have the educational
backgrounds and experience to skip a grade or two if they wish in my
opinion. It seems that most polititions in my country are either
lawyers or some sort of economic specialists which does give them
some advantage over engineers, mechanics, farmers etc.

Finally, we must not forget that everyone here is volunteering and
prominent titles do not translate into big money and lavish
lifestyles. You cannot live on compliments or wear big title without
putting in a lot of your free time and effort.


Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@y...> wrote:
>
> Salve Caecile Metelle;
> perhaps 'power and politics' is your motive in asking this
> question...
>
> But I regard having myself and D. Constantinus Fuscus two macro
> lawyers who both study Roman Law as a plus acting on behalf of the
> Plebians, especially with Caius Curius Satuninus who is a fine
Roman
> historian.
> I started as a scriba in Censor Quintilianus's office and
then
> was raised to caput and legal advisor on Roman law. My ideal is to
> continue the great tradition of my gens brother L. Arminus
Faustus,
> who asked me to run, and help return the Tribunate to its
historical
> roots.
> bene vale
> Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana
> candidate for Tribune of the Plebs
> Propraetrix Hiberniae
> caput Officina Iuriis
> et Investigatio CFQ
>
>
>
>
> > ". Or are power and
> > politics now the driving force, rather than service to the
> Republic? I
> > should hope not.
> >
> >

A. Apollonius Cordus Q. Caecilio Metello M. Arminiae
Majori amicis omnibusque sal.

I wonder whether we ought to look at the paucity of
candidates in the light of the measures our friend
Arminius Faustus took early this year to try to
encourage people to stand for this office. To recap
briefly, he gave the aediles plebis some new powers
and made service as tribunus, quaestor, curator, or
aedilician scriba a necessary qualification for the
office of aedilis plebis (effectively making the
office senior to that of tribunus).

Perhaps it's a little unfair to judge these reforms
after less than a year, but it has to be said that
they do not seem, on present evidence, to have
succeeded. Our current aedilis plebis, Curia Finnica,
has lost two colleagues in succession (Suetonius Nerva
is still in office, but I've seen no evidence of his
involvement in the recent plebeian games), and we have
only one candidate now seeking to replace her.

I suspect that making an office harder to attain in
order to enhance its prestige and allure - the
strategy adopted by Faustus' reforms - is not likely
to be effective for any junior magistracy. In a
community in which the trappings of office are rarely,
if ever, seen, and in which candidates for junior
magistracies are so few that one is virtually
guaranteed the job if one wants it, it is hard to
create the illusion that jobs like the plebeian
aedilitas are glamorous or prestigious.

It seems to me that the opposite strategy is likely to
be more effective. In other words, if no one wants to
be aedilis plebis, don't strive in vain to make people
want to be aedilis plebis; just make it a necessary
step toward whatever it is they do want. Our current
crop of candidates shows that there is no shortage of
people who are willing to stand for office; but by and
large they prefer to go for the higher magistracies.
This is perfectly natural, and indeed, inevitable, for
two reasons.

The first is that all Roman tradition tells us that
these magistracies are more prestigious, and therefore
anyone who has a reasonable chance of winning one of
them will naturally prefer to try that rather than to
waste time with minor offices. This is a perfectly
Roman attitude and not to be condemned - it's
abundantly well attested in the annals of Roman
history that anyone who had a hope of skipping a
certain magistracy would try to do so. The only reason
not to do it was fear of failure. Romans had two
reasons to fear that skipping stages in the cursus
might lose them votes. One was the practical
consideration that the voters would be less familiar
with the skipper-ahead than with those who had been
minor magistrates; the other was the fact that there
was a very strong customary expectation that one would
not skip ahead, and doing so might be seen as
presumptuous (but not excessively ambitious - to the
Roman mind, no ambition was excessive except the
ambition to kingship).

The practical consideration still applies in Nova Roma
to some extent, but the customary expectation does not
exist very strongly. Many people have a vague sense
that the traditional cursus ought to be followed, but
this is inevitably overruled by the much clearer and
more pressing need to fill the high magistracies year
after year. This is, of course, the second reason why
people in Nova Roma routinely skip stages of the
cursus: if no one does so, we are left with no
candidates for the consulate. This is a very strong
argument; but it is also a self-perpetuating problem.
If we fill the consulate in year 2 with the people who
were tribuni and aediles curules in year 1, then we
have lost the people who ought to have been praetores
in year 2; thus when we come to year 3 we again must
fill the consulate with tribuni and aediles, because
there is a shortage of praetores carried over from
year 2.

So the cultural pressure to progress steadily up the
cursus does not exist. There are two ways to replace
it. One is to create a cultural pressure based on the
idea that ambition is bad and selfless service to the
state in tedious minor jobs which attract no glory
whatever. But this would be utterly inimical to the
Roman political tradition, which is founded on the
idea that ambition is good and pursuit of glory is the
proper activity of a human being (note that among all
the stories of Romans sacrificing their interests for
the good of the state, all concern dramatic and
glorious acts rather than inconspicuous humility). The
other thing we can do it to replace the cultural
pressure with institutional pressure: in other words,
formalize the cursus.

We often talk about this, and the question arises, 'is
it too early?'. I think it is not too early but
precisely the right time. We have four candidates for
the consulate, four for the praeture - no shortage. At
the end of next year we will have two people who have
emerged fresh from being praetor, plus several who
have been praetor but not yet consul, and several more
who have already been consul: so there will certainly
be enough candidates for the consulate even if we make
only ex-praetors and ex-consuls eligible.

But there's another problem: our current arrangement
of two consules and two praetores gives us a
two-to-two 'pyramid'. If we make the praetura a
necessary qualification for the consulatus, we will
effectively be making the praetura a *guarantee* of
the consulatus. The solution is obvious: more
praetors. There were more than two for most of the
history of the republic, so historical precedent
encourages it. There is quite enough work for, say,
four praetores to do: moderating the main list is
already enough for two praetores plus several scribae
each, and the praetores' other principal job -
supervising judicial cases - can only increase as our
two-year-old judicial system settles into its stride,
which is not to mention the fact that the recent leges
Equitiae de familia and de corrigendis created
additional praetorian duties (the workloads of next
year's two praetores will probably be extremely heavy
in view of all this). And there are enough candidates:
already we have four this year, and you can bet there
will be more when it becomes a compulsory
qualification for the consulate.

Then we work our way down. It's true that the
aedilitas and the tribunatus were not technically part
of the cursus during the republic, but there were very
strong factors which made it virtually impossible to
pursue a political career without holding one or
other: they were both ways to build up experience,
public profile, and popular support. The aediles did
it by giving games; the tribuni by performing their
core duties as champions of the people. That these
offices were in practice un-skippable is shown by the
fact that the voters rejected Sulla's first candidacy
for praetor, even though he was extremely popular,
because they resented the fact that he seemed to be
trying to avoid spending a year throwing games and
festivals; he only won the praetura the next year by
promising the most amazing praetorian games anyone had
ever seen.

So my proposed cursus would look like this, from top
down: two censores (preferably elected every five
years, or at the very most every two years, in order
to avoid another two-to-two pyramid), who must be
ex-consules; two consules, who must be ex-praetores;
four praetores, who must be ex-aediles or ex-tribuni
(or, perhaps, ex-governors of at least two years'
standing); four aediles and five tribuni, making a
pool of nine, who must be ex-quaestores or
ex-vigintisexviri; and finally, ten quaestores (we add
one for each new praetor, of course) and ten (or more
- there are ten at the moment) vigintisexviri, making
a total of twenty. Thus we have a very pleasingly
shaped pyramid in which roughly half the people from
each stage will achieve the next stage in any given
year:

First stage: 20
Second stage: 9
Third stage: 4
Fourth stage: 2
Fifth stage: two fifths

Sorry to have gone on for so long, but this is
something I've been thinking about for a good while
now, and this seems a good time to get it out in the
open - just in time for some of the candidates to pick
it up and put it in their manifestos.... :)





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Salvete Quirites,

Two years ago, I was a Curule Aedile suffectus, and a declared candidate
for the office of Curule Aedile. I was elected and spent a year serving
alongside Franciscus Apulus Caesar. I had accumulated a year of
experience in the task as a scribe to then Curule Aedile Caeso Fabius
Quintilianus, with Caesar as his Quaestor. In those two years of
involvement with the Aedilician duties, I learned a lot about the job,
and what it requires from those who would do it.

We find ourselves blessed with three excellent citizens who have offered
themselves as candidates for Curule Aedile next year. Only two of these
fine people can be elected. Even if every one of us were to vote for
all three (as we all could, given our approval voting process) the
tie-breaking process would still go into play and would eliminate one of
the three.

With that in mind, I'm going to tell you what I know about each of these
outstanding citizens, in the hope that it will help you as you decide
who you are going to vote for in this race.

Gaia Fabia Livia is my Consular Quaestor. When Quaestors were alloted
back in January of this year she was assigned to Praetor Noricus. Then
in February my assigned Quaestor resigned and left Nova Roma. Livia
stepped in, while continuing to serve as Praetorian Quaestor, and took
care of the enormous task of overseeing the tax collection accounting
effort. She continues to do that to this day, having just today
provided me with the most up to date information on citizens who have
paid their taxes within the past month. She has additionally been a
wise and cheerful assistant to me in all manner of consular business,
advising me on drafts of laws and providing sound advice. I am
absolutely certain that she will serve well in any office that she ever
holds within Nova Roma, and I see a Consulship in her future. Livia
will be a Curule Aedile, either next year or some other year. When she
is she will perform the duties of the office meticulously and
thoroughly, bringing her charming personality to the public games, and
providing Nova Roma with quality entertainment. She will also oversee
the market activities fairly and completely. That's the part of the job
that happens off-stage, away from the public view. It's a vitally
important part of the job, and from her experience as my Consular
Quaestor I know she'll do it well.


Lucius Iulius Sulla is the Quaestor who came into office as a result of
my original Quaestor resigning and leaving Nova Roma. He took over Gaia
Livia's duties as Praetorian Quaestor, and served in that capacity at a
time when we were missing Praetor Noricus. Since Praetor Laenas came
into office, Lucius Sulla has continued to serve within the praetorian
cohort. I'm sure that Praetor Laenas would tell you that Lucius Iulius
Sulla is a good and capable Quaestor. I know this first hand from my
months of having to act in loco praetoris until we could declare Praetor
Noricus officially missing and hold an election for his replacement.

Quaestor Sulla is also active in the day to day activities of his home
province of Italia. Somehow he manages to find time for this in spite
of the extreme pressure of being a Cardiac Surgeon who makes life and
death decisions many times every day. He is also a man of deep and
reflective intellect. It's been my privilege to meet and dine with him,
and I assure you he is among the very best we have. As with Gaia Livia,
I am sure he will someday be Curule Aedile, and I am sure he'll be an
excellent Curule Aedile.


Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus is one of those quiet citizens who
donate vast amounts of their time to keep Nova Roma going behind the
scenes. You may not have heard of him, and that's a shame, because he
is an extremely intelligent young man who intends to pursue a life of
service as a teacher. His immense computer skills are even now at work
updating the citizen database as we realign the centuries and tribes
prior to the annual elections. He has served Nova Roma as a Quaestor,
as a webmaster, as a Consular accensus, and as a scribe. Pius is one of
those "doers" who sees something that needs to be done, and does it. He
has been out of public office this year because of the demands of his
final academic year, but he has decided to present himself for public
service again at this time.


If any of these three outstanding people were Plebeian, I'd recommend
that they stand instead for the vacant Plebeian Aedileship. But all
three are Patrician, and thus only the Curule Aedileship is open to them.

So who to vote for? I can not bring myself to recommend against any of
them. For myself, I shall be voting Uti Rogas for all three, because
each and every one of them is eminently qualified and prepared to do the
job. I hope that what I've told you about each of them will help you in
making your own decisions.

Valete Quirites,

-- Marinus

Citizens,

This year, we have a four-way race for Consul - more candidates
than ever before. All of them are dedicated citizens; any of
them would be a fine Consul. But there is one outstanding
candidate; one candidate who has shown himself to be deeply
dedicated to Nova Roma, and who has made exceptional contributions
to our cultural, political, and religious life. That exceptional
candidate is Gaius Modius Athanasius.

I first met Athanasius in the fall of MMDCCLV (2002), at a provincial
gathering in Columbus, Ohio. He was new to Nova Roma at the time,
but already eager to become more involved. At that time, we discussed
options for becoming Pontiff and Augur, and I was happy to see him
acquire those positions over the next few years.

Currently, Gaius Modius serves as Tribune. While I have not always
agreed with all of his actions as Tribune, he was instrumental in
defusing the first major crisis of this year - a controversy over
a Nota that I and my colleague intended to issue against a Senator.
As the debate increased in volume on the main list, Tribune Modius
contacted my colleague and me in private, and offered to negotiate
a settlement that would preserve the honour of all parties involved
in the dispute. I made a settlement offer, he communicated that offer
to the Senator, who agreed to it; as negotiations continued, G. Modius
acted as proxy for both sides, and concord was eventually reached.

A few months ago, I harshly criticized Athanasius over a veto that I
thought unjustified. I was unaware of other events in his life -
and that he was still dedicated enough to his position to carry
out his responsiblities on a day that his father lay dying in
hospital. Athanasius continued to dedicate himself to the betterment
of Nova Roma over the next few days, during a time of great personal
loss. He established the "PeaceNR" mailing list with a goal of
promoting open discussion between the various factions - instead
of the sparring for political advantage that dominates most
main-list debate. I spoke on the phone with him for several hours
that week, and later; though he has experienced much frustration,
and been a victim of treachery, he continues to be optimistic
about Nova Roma and the resurgence of the Religio Romana.

Gaius Modius Athanasius is a dedicated citizen, a pious priest,
and a strong leader. I will vote for him for Consul, and ask
you to do the same.

Marcus Octavius Germanicus,
Consul MMDCCLV.


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"The day will come when our silence will be more powerful than the
voices you are throttling today." -- August Spies, 1887

Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus Quiritibus salutem dicit.

Salvete,

As the general elections are upon us once again, I would like to offer my
endorsements to some of the candidates for the offices to which we will be
electing citizens shortly. So without further adieu, my endorsements.

For Censor, Cn. Equitius Marinus. I have worked with Cn. Equitius for
almost two years now, first as a subordinate member of the consular staff of
Caeso Fabius, and again this year directly as his accensus. Cn. Equitius is
a hard-working man, who has spent his time dedicated to Nova Roma, from his
time serving as a Curule Aedile suffectus, on through now, and I have no
question that he will continue his dedication and hard work in the
Censorship.

For Consul, C. Modius Athanasius. On C. Modius, I can more closely comment.
C. Modius currently serves the Republic as a Tribune of the Plebes,
Pontifex, Augur, and the Flamen Pomonalis, and he serves my province as the
Flamen Prioris. C. Modius has spent his time in Nova Roma in service to the
Republic, since his first day; his resume speaks for itself here. As a
person, though, C. Modius is kind, understanding, just, fair, equitable, and
is a leader, which is exactly what a Consul should be, and these things
about him I know not just from dealings with Athanasius over the Internet,
but also, and moreso, through my face-to-face dealings with him. Athanasius
is amazingly resilient, and handles even the worst of misfortune calmly,
fairly, and justly. Caius Modius Athanasius is the man fit for the job, and
I ask all the voters to cast your votes in his favor, as I shall.

For Praetor, Ti. Galerius Paulinus. Currently serving as a Tribune of the
Plebes, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus is following the cursus honorum, now
suing for the Praetorship. Paulinus serves the Republic in more roles than
are prominent and make their way to the Main List, serving as Legate in his
own province, Mediatlantica, and as Coryphaeus for the Sodalitas Musarum.
Tiberius Galerius has helped promulgate, this year, two useful leges, which
I was more than happy to include in the Tabularium: the Leges Equitiae
Galeriae de Ordinariis, et de Legibus ex post Factis. Paulinus knows the
law, and, being the man he is, will apply it fairly, evenly, and justly, and
will execute the duties of the Praetorship diligently, and will be nothing
short of an honor to the office. I can not endorse enough Tiberius Galerius
for the Praetorship, and I urge you to elect him to the position.

Also for Praetor, Diana Octavia Aventina. Some have tried to smear Diana
Octavia's reputation by mentioning her resignations from earlier this year.
Yet, while some would paint those in so horrible a light, I think they miss
the obvious point: she realized that circumstances might prevent her from
executing the offices, and so had the dignity and responsibility to step
down, to see that the Republic was served, rather than have a magistrate in
office who does nothing. This, Ladies and Gentlemen, is what I think
epitomizes what a magistrate should be: responsible. I believe Diana
Octavia has proved her responsibility, and I know that this will carry with
her into the coming year. I need not also mention Aventina's service to the
Republic as a Priestess of Venus, Scribe to Aedile Scaurus, Lictor, and as a
former Tribune of the Plebes, as I believe her service there speaks for
itself. Citizens, I urge you to vote for Diana Octavia Aventina when you
cast your votes for the Praetorship.

For Curule Aedile, I abstain to offer an endorsement, as I would find myself
endorsing all the candidates. I myself will be rolling dice to cast my vote
here, but I do not think we could go wrong in electing any two of the three
candidates here to the Curule Aedileship.

For the remaining positions, I abstain to offer endorsements also, and so
leave my endorsements at those above.

Optime Valete Quirites,

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
Accensus
Praetorian Scribe
Aedilician Scribe
Scribe of the Magister Aranearius
Fetialis
Legate
Lictor
Plebeian Citizen
Public Servant

Salvete Omnes !

You know all that Publius Minius Albucius, one of my Scribae, is
standing for Tribune of the Plebs.

As Galliae Propraetor, I am one of those who are particularly well
placed to endorse Publius Minius Albucius and recommend him to your
votes.

Like in every advanced and growing society, Nova Roma asks for more
and more complex juridical texts. Laws are getting more delicate to
set and apply.

Well, Publius Minius Albucius has at the same time his Law degrees, a
long experience and a good knowledge in History. These skills can
surely avoid Nova Roma and his People some difficulties and losses of
time.

I and we all, citizens in Gallia, could appreciate his qualities,
through the relations that he discreetly wove outside our provincia,
but also in Gallia. He has particularly given, in an amazing delay, a
qualified translation of the whole novaroman « leges » corpus, then
allowing Gallia french speaking Quirites to improve their knowledge
of our laws. He is working now on an awaited « index legium ».

Publius Minius Albucius is this kind of novaroman : like our
ancestors, he tells what he does and do what he tells. And he longs
to build with all of us a living and acting Res Publica.

My friend Publius Minius Albucius may not be the oldest citizen among
us. But he clearly is one of us who has the technical and moral
skills that fit the Tribune office. Protecting the Plebs, the People
and our institutions, he will be a good Tribune, for Nova Roma's high
benefit.

Valete Omnes !

Lucius Rutilius Minervalis
Provinciae Galliae Propraetor

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Salvete Omnes !

Vous savez tous que Publius Minius Albucius, l'un de mes
collaborateurs, a déposé sa candidature comme Tribun de la Plèbe aux
prochaines élections.

En tant que Propraetor de Gallia, je suis particulièrement bien placé
pour recommander Publius Minius Albucius à vos votes:

En effet, nous devons reconnaître que, Nova-Roma grandissant, nos
textes juridiques deviennent de plus en plus complexes. Dans toute
société évoluée, le mouvement est le même, et ces textes tendent à
être de plus en plus délicats tant à élaborer qu'à appliquer.

Or, Albucius dispose à la fois d'une solide formation juridique,
d'une longue pratique et d'excellentes connaissances historiques,
qualités qui peuvent épargner à Nova-Roma bien des déboires.

Nous avons pu apprécier ces qualités au sein de la Province,
notamment, mais pas seulement, lorsqu'il a effectué des traductions
en français hautement estimables de toutes les lois de Nova-Roma, ce
qui permet aujourd'hui à tous les citoyens francophones de connaître
clairement le Droit Nova-Romain. Qui plus est, il travaille
actuellement sur un Index de ces lois, qui leur en permettra une
consultation plus facile.

Publius Minius Albucius est de la trempe de ces hommes qui, comme nos
ancêtres, disent ce qu'ils font et font ce qu'ils disent; et il lui
revient de construire, avec chacun d'entre nous, une Nova-Roma
vivante et agissante.

Citoyens, Publius Minius Albucius n'est pas le plus ancien d'entre-
nous, c'est vrai. Mais il offre néanmoins, à l'évidence, toutes les
dispositions qui feront de lui un tribun qui remplira parfaitement sa
charge dans tous ses aspects, pour le plus grand bien de Nova-Roma.

Valete Omnes !

Lucius Rutilius Minervalis
Provinciae Galliae Propraetor

Salvete Q. Caecili Metalle et omnes,

I have to say I am in agreement with you about the people you have
endorsed here. All those you mention, save Diana have their
political reputations intact whether one disagrees with them or not.
For this reason, I wish to concentrate on Diana for the moment.

I noticed that she has recieved a lot of flak for resigning her
office of Quaestor this year as well as her Propraetorship in Gallia.
I just wish to point out here that some of us should be rather
careful not to throw stones in a glass house. There are often a lot
of macroworld circumstances that do come up and can have an adverse
effect on one's performance and ability to do or complete a job.
Sometimes personality conflicts, arguments over internal policy etc,
act as a catalyst in combo with macroworld tribulations. Whilst
communicating with Diana, I found out a number of things happened
with her this year that would be awful burdens for anyone to face.
At the same time I see other citizens have disappeared off and on
because of sicknesses to deaths in the family, a big political scrap
but they come back, are welcomed and continue on or fit in well once
again with open arms and sympathy. In my opinion this sort of
senario has not occured with her. Lets not be too harsh in our
judgements as I indicated earier. I failed this year to get a course
fired up in the Thules Academy because I had a very unusually busy
summer in the patch without proper internet access, some of our
founding more prominant Nova Roma members resigned in their offices
in a huff this year and other years but we know of their dedications
and abilities, beg them to come back and their lives and careers
here continue on like nothing happened. In addition there are
academy courses and other projects sitting out there in the doldrums
since their instructors, scribes etc. have been tied up with other
things or delayed on private matters.

On a positive note, I thought Diana did a great job as Tribune last
year. Above all, she was always available and never failed to answer
my inquiries or questions. Lately she mentioned she was reacessing
or having many thoughts about her religious ideas etc that brought a
little crtiticism. To me, this is a very private matter. Doubts,
frustrations, looking into the essecence of our spiritual life, re-
affirming our faith etc is just a natural progression for most of us;
I'll certainly wager that many Nova Romans were of the Judeo-
Christian background and went through this sort of thing to arrive
at the Religio Romano where they are happier today. No one here is
saying they are foolish, can't do their religious tasks, make up
their minds etc.

In conclusion I would like to suggest to my fellow citizens that you
consider these things about Diana and others running for office
before acting as the judge, jury and executioner when you strike in
your ballots.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Propraetor Canada Occidentalis

Accensus To Consul Astur















--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Caecilius Metellus"
<postumianus@g...> wrote:

> Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus Quiritibus salutem dicit.
>
> Salvete,
>
> As the general elections are upon us once again, I would like to

offer my

> endorsements to some of the candidates for the offices to which we

will be

> electing citizens shortly. So without further adieu, my

endorsements.

>
> For Censor, Cn. Equitius Marinus. I have worked with Cn. Equitius

for

> almost two years now, first as a subordinate member of the

consular staff of

> Caeso Fabius, and again this year directly as his accensus. Cn.

Equitius is

> a hard-working man, who has spent his time dedicated to Nova Roma,

from his

> time serving as a Curule Aedile suffectus, on through now, and I

have no

> question that he will continue his dedication and hard work in the
> Censorship.
>
> For Consul, C. Modius Athanasius. On C. Modius, I can more

closely comment.

> C. Modius currently serves the Republic as a Tribune of the Plebes,
> Pontifex, Augur, and the Flamen Pomonalis, and he serves my

province as the

> Flamen Prioris. C. Modius has spent his time in Nova Roma in

service to the

> Republic, since his first day; his resume speaks for itself here.

As a

> person, though, C. Modius is kind, understanding, just, fair,

equitable, and

> is a leader, which is exactly what a Consul should be, and these

things

> about him I know not just from dealings with Athanasius over the

Internet,

> but also, and moreso, through my face-to-face dealings with him.

Athanasius

> is amazingly resilient, and handles even the worst of misfortune

calmly,

> fairly, and justly. Caius Modius Athanasius is the man fit for

the job, and

> I ask all the voters to cast your votes in his favor, as I shall.
>
> For Praetor, Ti. Galerius Paulinus. Currently serving as a

Tribune of the

> Plebes, Tiberius Galerius Paulinus is following the cursus

honorum, now

> suing for the Praetorship. Paulinus serves the Republic in more

roles than

> are prominent and make their way to the Main List, serving as

Legate in his

> own province, Mediatlantica, and as Coryphaeus for the Sodalitas

Musarum.

> Tiberius Galerius has helped promulgate, this year, two useful

leges, which

> I was more than happy to include in the Tabularium: the Leges

Equitiae

> Galeriae de Ordinariis, et de Legibus ex post Factis. Paulinus

knows the

> law, and, being the man he is, will apply it fairly, evenly, and

justly, and

> will execute the duties of the Praetorship diligently, and will be

nothing

> short of an honor to the office. I can not endorse enough

Tiberius Galerius

> for the Praetorship, and I urge you to elect him to the position.
>
> Also for Praetor, Diana Octavia Aventina. Some have tried to

smear Diana

> Octavia's reputation by mentioning her resignations from earlier

this year.

> Yet, while some would paint those in so horrible a light, I think

they miss

> the obvious point: she realized that circumstances might prevent

her from

> executing the offices, and so had the dignity and responsibility

to step

> down, to see that the Republic was served, rather than have a

magistrate in

> office who does nothing. This, Ladies and Gentlemen, is what I

think

> epitomizes what a magistrate should be: responsible. I believe

Diana

> Octavia has proved her responsibility, and I know that this will

carry with

> her into the coming year. I need not also mention Aventina's

service to the

> Republic as a Priestess of Venus, Scribe to Aedile Scaurus,

Lictor, and as a

> former Tribune of the Plebes, as I believe her service there

speaks for

> itself. Citizens, I urge you to vote for Diana Octavia Aventina

when you

> cast your votes for the Praetorship.
>
> For Curule Aedile, I abstain to offer an endorsement, as I would

find myself

> endorsing all the candidates. I myself will be rolling dice to

cast my vote

> here, but I do not think we could go wrong in electing any two of

the three

> candidates here to the Curule Aedileship.
>
> For the remaining positions, I abstain to offer endorsements also,

and so

> leave my endorsements at those above.
>
> Optime Valete Quirites,
>
> Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
> Accensus
> Praetorian Scribe
> Aedilician Scribe
> Scribe of the Magister Aranearius
> Fetialis
> Legate
> Lictor
> Plebeian Citizen
> Public Servant

Avete Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, Marcus
Minucias-Tiberias Audens, A. Apollonius Cordus,
Servius Equitius Mercurius Troianus, Caius Curius
Saturninus, Annia Octavia Indagatrix, C. Fabia Livia,
et Julilla Sempronia Magna.

My deepest thanks to everyone who has taken the time
during a busy campaign to give me so much assistance
and advice.

Valete!
Kalenda �Aliquis�
Cislunia melior, translunia celerior.


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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiuspopilliuslaenas"
<ksterne@b...> wrote:

>
> Gaius Popillius Laenas Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit,
>
> After much thought, I come before you once again in the virtual
> whitened toga of the candidate to announce that I am standing for

the

> position of Consul.
>
>
> I have been a citizen of Nova Roma for almost four years. In that
> time, I have followed the Curus Honorum by serving as:
>
> - Consular Quaestor (in our first year of tax collection), and
>
> - Praetor.
>
> I have also been fortunate to serve as a Tribune of the Plebs,
> Propraetor of America Austrorientalis, Consular Accensus, and

Legate.

> Recently, I have been honored to take a seat in the Senate.
>
> My Album Civium page can be found here:
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=1781
>
>
> I agree with some who have said they believe the upcoming year to

be a

> crucial one for Nova Roma. Although we have survived several crises
> in the past, in often seems that Nova Roma is on the verge of

breaking

> up over some of the issues that currently appear to divide us.
>
> I have always pledged to be, and have been, fair, objective, and
> completely honest in my duties and dealings in Nova Roma. Serving
> this year as Praetor, I worked to negotiate settlements of several
> disputes / lawsuits that might have adversely diverted the energies

of

> our cives and our Republic.
>
> I worked with cives who were "Boni", "Moderati", and who now have
> become part of the Libra Alliance. We may not always agree, but I
> believe we always acted in good faith, in accordance with our duty,
> and, most times, successfully.
>
> If elected I hope to provide balance and stability to our government
> in the coming year, which I believe will be much needed.
>
> In my macronational life I am a business owner with 27 years of
> experience, a certified public accountant, a certified financial
> planner, and a few other certified this and that's ;-). I am a
> husband of 20 years, and the proud father of 2 "pre-teen" daughters.
>
> So, I ask you for your support and your vote. I do not have the
> expertise to construct an election website (perhaps a supporter will
> volunteer to contribute one :-). However, I will be pleased to

answer

> any questions, either on the Main List or privately at:
>
> ksterne@b...
>
> That is – ksterne<at>bellsouth<dot>net.
>
> Valete

Consul elect,
you have my vote. serve us well.
Tiberius C. Rex, 12/2004.

Gaius Modius Athanasius Marco Octavio Germanico salutem dicit

Thank you very much for your kind words.

Vale;

Athanasius

In a message dated 12/7/2004 11:32:30 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
hucke@... writes:

Citizens,

This year, we have a four-way race for Consul - more candidates
than ever before. All of them are dedicated citizens; any of
them would be a fine Consul. But there is one outstanding
candidate; one candidate who has shown himself to be deeply
dedicated to Nova Roma, and who has made exceptional contributions
to our cultural, political, and religious life. That exceptional
candidate is Gaius Modius Athanasius.

I first met Athanasius in the fall of MMDCCLV (2002), at a provincial
gathering in Columbus, Ohio. He was new to Nova Roma at the time,
but already eager to become more involved. At that time, we discussed
options for becoming Pontiff and Augur, and I was happy to see him
acquire those positions over the next few years.

Currently, Gaius Modius serves as Tribune. While I have not always
agreed with all of his actions as Tribune, he was instrumental in
defusing the first major crisis of this year - a controversy over
a Nota that I and my colleague intended to issue against a Senator.
As the debate increased in volume on the main list, Tribune Modius
contacted my colleague and me in private, and offered to negotiate
a settlement that would preserve the honour of all parties involved
in the dispute. I made a settlement offer, he communicated that offer
to the Senator, who agreed to it; as negotiations continued, G. Modius
acted as proxy for both sides, and concord was eventually reached.

A few months ago, I harshly criticized Athanasius over a veto that I
thought unjustified. I was unaware of other events in his life -
and that he was still dedicated enough to his position to carry
out his responsiblities on a day that his father lay dying in
hospital. Athanasius continued to dedicate himself to the betterment
of Nova Roma over the next few days, during a time of great personal
loss. He established the "PeaceNR" mailing list with a goal of
promoting open discussion between the various factions - instead
of the sparring for political advantage that dominates most
main-list debate. I spoke on the phone with him for several hours
that week, and later; though he has experienced much frustration,
and been a victim of treachery, he continues to be optimistic
about Nova Roma and the resurgence of the Religio Romana.

Gaius Modius Athanasius is a dedicated citizen, a pious priest,
and a strong leader. I will vote for him for Consul, and ask
you to do the same.

Marcus Octavius Germanicus,
Consul MMDCCLV.





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Gaius Modius Athanasius Q. Caecilio Metello Postumiano salutem dicit

Thank you for your kind words, they mean a lot to me.

Vale;

Athanasius

In a message dated 12/8/2004 12:33:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
postumianus@... writes:

For Consul, C. Modius Athanasius. On C. Modius, I can more closely comment.
C. Modius currently serves the Republic as a Tribune of the Plebes,
Pontifex, Augur, and the Flamen Pomonalis, and he serves my province as the
Flamen Prioris. C. Modius has spent his time in Nova Roma in service to the
Republic, since his first day; his resume speaks for itself here. As a
person, though, C. Modius is kind, understanding, just, fair, equitable, and
is a leader, which is exactly what a Consul should be, and these things
about him I know not just from dealings with Athanasius over the Internet,
but also, and moreso, through my face-to-face dealings with him. Athanasius
is amazingly resilient, and handles even the worst of misfortune calmly,
fairly, and justly. Caius Modius Athanasius is the man fit for the job, and
I ask all the voters to cast your votes in his favor, as I shall.






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Salvete,

There has been some discussion about the plebeian aediles. My view on
this matter is that only this year the office in question has recieved
the historical place and prestige it should have by the new law. So it
is natural, that it has not yet had the chance to gather enough
"momentum" to be of any interest. Also during this year we have had
only one active plebeian aedile doing the work of two magistrates. I
should know as I have been in her cohors and also happen to be her
husband.

In the past years it has not received enough candidates as it has been
lacking proper function inside our system of offices. That is also
natural, why anyone should be bothered with an office of hard work,
long hours, responsibility and no reward either in the form of any
actual power or enough century points? That's right, the system doesn't
work if it expects only to take responsibility but get nothing back.
And don't read me wrong, arranging games can be very fun thing indeed,
but that is only one aspect of being an aedile.

So the way I see it that the problem in the past, that has now been
corrected, still has it's influence on present moment. So, let's give
it some time and in the next years we will see that with growth of our
plebeian population also the plebeian magistratures also gather more
interest.

What comes to the question by Q. Caecilius Metellus, I can answer on my
own behalf. I feel that tribuneship is a logical step up in the cursus
for me at this time as I have been a quaestor this year.

Valete,

On 7.12.2004, at 22:03, Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com wrote:

> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2004 12:32:29 -0500
> From: "Q. Caecilius Metellus" <postumianus@...>
> Subject: The Plebeian Aedileship
>
> Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus Candidatis Tribunatui Plebis salutem
> dicit.
>
> Salvete, Fratres sororesque.
>
> Yet again, for the second consecutive year, we have yet not enough
> candidates for the Aedileship of the Plebes, but yet an abudnance of
> candidates for the Tribunate. Surely, I do not argue, the Tribunate
> comes
> with the greater power and prestige now, but is not the greater honor
> in
> serving the Republic where it needs someone to serve? I see that, of
> the
> seven candidates, only three (M. Bianchius, C. Curius, and C.
> Vipsanius)
> have started the Cursus; would it not be better to work one's way into
> such
> a position, with hard work and dedication to the People, serving in the
> Plebeian Aedileship? I should think that of these people who are all
> too
> willing to take up the Plebeian cause would be willing to step down
> from the
> "position of power" and take the unfilled Aedileship. Or are power and
> politics now the driving force, rather than service to the Republic? I
> should hope not.
>
> Candidates for the Tribunate, I call on you to stand not for power,
> but for
> the Plebeian cause, and for the Republic. I call on you to stand for
> the
> Plebeian Aedileship, at least one of you.
>
> Optime Valete,
>
> Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
> Public Servant
> Plebeian


Caius Curius Saturninus

Quaestor
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Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
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A. Apollonius Cordus Q. Lanio Paulino Dianae Octaviae
Aventinae omnibusque sal.

Lanius Paulinus wrote about Octavia Aventina:

> I noticed that she has recieved a lot of flak for
> resigning her
> office of Quaestor this year as well as her
> Propraetorship in Gallia.
> I just wish to point out here that some of us should
> be rather
> careful not to throw stones in a glass house. There
> are often a lot
> of macroworld circumstances that do come up and can
> have an adverse
> effect on one's performance and ability to do or
> complete a job.

My impression at the time was that Octavia Aventina's
resignation from her quaestorship was intended as a
protest about the political situation in Nova Roma at
the time, and was not to do with any personal or
macronational pressures. Was my impression correct?


[NB: This question is not a stone, nor is my house
made of glass, nor do I have a house of any kind,
living as I do on a boat. Thank you.]



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Salvete omnes:

I just wanted to let everyone know that a new PC game, called Rome:
Toal War is availbale. I bought this game. I have found it to be
totally encompassing as far as both strategy and tactically. In the
game, you can play one of a number of factions within and outside of
Rome, and the goal is the domination of the world. When battles
occur, you can zoom into the battlefield and control individual
cohorts of troops. The graphics are absolutely superb! Its
definitely something to do when you can't be reenacting, or browsing
through the discussions on the mainlist. I thought people would
like to know about it.

Valete:

Quintus Bianchius Rufinus

Be the Iulii and crush the Gauls!!!! Onagers are your best friend :) especially with greek fire....I had fun watching the remanants of the tribes...well I'll leave it at coming under Roman rule :)
Gnaeus Iulius Caesar Cornelianus

Bryan Reif <QBRufinus@...> wrote:


Salvete omnes:

I just wanted to let everyone know that a new PC game, called Rome:
Toal War is availbale. I bought this game. I have found it to be
totally encompassing as far as both strategy and tactically. In the
game, you can play one of a number of factions within and outside of
Rome, and the goal is the domination of the world. When battles
occur, you can zoom into the battlefield and control individual
cohorts of troops. The graphics are absolutely superb! Its
definitely something to do when you can't be reenacting, or browsing
through the discussions on the mainlist. I thought people would
like to know about it.

Valete:

Quintus Bianchius Rufinus








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Avete amice! Salvete fratres!
As soon as possible I will get the game and start to play.
This evening (20.30 Rome time) at TG2, an Italian TV newscast on the 2nd
channel of RAI, I followed an interesting report involving PC games.
Unfortunately, "Rome: Total War", publicized a lot here in Italy, has been
considered violent and destructive and, even if historically perfect, not
instructive.

Valete optime
Qvintvs Fabivs Alectvs


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Data: 12/08/04 21:03:46
A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] PC Game-Rome:Total War



Salvete omnes:

I just wanted to let everyone know that a new PC game, called Rome:
Toal War is availbale. I bought this game. I have found it to be
totally encompassing as far as both strategy and tactically. In the
game, you can play one of a number of factions within and outside of
Rome, and the goal is the domination of the world. When battles
occur, you can zoom into the battlefield and control individual
cohorts of troops. The graphics are absolutely superb! Its
definitely something to do when you can't be reenacting, or browsing
through the discussions on the mainlist. I thought people would
like to know about it.

Valete:

Quintus Bianchius Rufinus









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It has historical flaws...game ends at 14 BC or AD I forget. But you have a few hundred years to work with to kick some butt..Set game unit size to large not huge because it lags during battles youplay manually....unit size on large is 80 (roughly) whereas huge is 120 but the size lags it...Marius reforms don't happen when they really did...without ruining the game I'll say have fun with the Senate...they are a pain but beneficial for certain reasons...it is not as bad as some label it....have I said yet Onagers and Greek Fire are awesome?
Cornelianus

Jack the Ripper <peaceboy@...> wrote:
Avete amice! Salvete fratres!
As soon as possible I will get the game and start to play.
This evening (20.30 Rome time) at TG2, an Italian TV newscast on the 2nd
channel of RAI, I followed an interesting report involving PC games.
Unfortunately, "Rome: Total War", publicized a lot here in Italy, has been
considered violent and destructive and, even if historically perfect, not
instructive.

Valete optime
Qvintvs Fabivs Alectvs


-------Messaggio originale-------

Da: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Data: 12/08/04 21:03:46
A: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Oggetto: [Nova-Roma] PC Game-Rome:Total War



Salvete omnes:

I just wanted to let everyone know that a new PC game, called Rome:
Toal War is availbale. I bought this game. I have found it to be
totally encompassing as far as both strategy and tactically. In the
game, you can play one of a number of factions within and outside of
Rome, and the goal is the domination of the world. When battles
occur, you can zoom into the battlefield and control individual
cohorts of troops. The graphics are absolutely superb! Its
definitely something to do when you can't be reenacting, or browsing
through the discussions on the mainlist. I thought people would
like to know about it.

Valete:

Quintus Bianchius Rufinus











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Salvete Appolini Cordi,

From what I have surmised, it was a combination of the two things;
going out on the political protest or tiff was more or less the
straw that broke the camel's back. Anyway others here that have quit
their posts and returned usually have done so for either of these
two reasons.

I am sure she can comment more on this if I am mistaken.

> Lanius Paulinus wrote about Octavia Aventina:
>
> > I noticed that she has recieved a lot of flak for
> > resigning her
> > office of Quaestor this year as well as her
> > Propraetorship in Gallia.
> > I just wish to point out here that some of us should
> > be rather
> > careful not to throw stones in a glass house. There
> > are often a lot
> > of macroworld circumstances that do come up and can
> > have an adverse
> > effect on one's performance and ability to do or
> > complete a job.
>
> My impression at the time was that Octavia Aventina's
> resignation from her quaestorship was intended as a
> protest about the political situation in Nova Roma at
> the time, and was not to do with any personal or
> macronational pressures. Was my impression correct?
>
>
> [NB: This question is not a stone, nor is my house
> made of glass, nor do I have a house of any kind,
> living as I do on a boat. Thank you.]
>
> NB: Is your boat made of wood? If so then one could say pick the

pole (mast) from your eye before picking the splinter out of your
brother's. (OK, just kidding!probably fiberglass or steel.)

Take care, thanks for your response.


Quintus Lanius Paulinus

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Salve Quinte Bianchi,

I saw it the other day in future shop. I'll give it a try and thanks
for the summary. I was hoping someone would find it sooner or later!

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Bryan Reif" <QBRufinus@a...>
wrote:

>
>
> Salvete omnes:
>
> I just wanted to let everyone know that a new PC game, called

Rome:

> Toal War is availbale. I bought this game. I have found it to be
> totally encompassing as far as both strategy and tactically. In

the

> game, you can play one of a number of factions within and outside

of

> Rome, and the goal is the domination of the world. When battles
> occur, you can zoom into the battlefield and control individual
> cohorts of troops. The graphics are absolutely superb! Its
> definitely something to do when you can't be reenacting, or

browsing

> through the discussions on the mainlist. I thought people would
> like to know about it.
>
> Valete:
>
> Quintus Bianchius Rufinus

did you know that?


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Salve Cordus et salvete omnes -

Your memory serves you well, Cordus - I had to look up the actual
Posts, myself.
The resignation message that I found follows, and makes it clear that
Diana resigned out of protest at having been placed on Moderated status
on the Main List.

Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:33:01 +0100 (BST)
From: Censored Diana <sacerdosveneris@...>
Subject: Resignation

Salvete,

Since my last email to the Main list was edited by the dual
Consul/Praetor Marinus which turned my
sarcastic apology into a sincere one, I hereby submit my resignation as
Quaestor effective
immediately. I no longer wish to spend even one moment of my spare time
working for an
organization that has no freedom of speech and where the spoken word is
dealt with by threats of
ridiculous lawsuits.

Since this email is also likely to be Censored by our dual
Consul/Praetor Marinus, I am cc'ing the
Senate where he does not have moderator priviledges. It is time that
the Senate put a leash on
this gentleman, before you have no magistrates left.

I will forward my last financial spreadsheet to I Iulius as soon as
possible since I have no
quarrel with him and do not wish to cause even the slightest disruption
to his Magna Mater
project.

Valete,
Diana Octavia

A day later Diana further clarified:

[Snipped]

The Senate needs to take contol of this man and this situation
immediately since
anyone who complains is easily silenced by Marinus. I am not the only
one who refuses to work for
NR as long as he abuses the elected power that we gave him.

[Snipped]

Her words speak for themselves as to her motive for resigning.

Vale et valete
- Troianus

On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 02:27 PM, A. Apollonius Cordus
wrote:

[]

>
> A. Apollonius Cordus Q. Lanio Paulino Dianae Octaviae
> Aventinae omnibusque sal.
>
> Lanius Paulinus wrote about Octavia Aventina:
>
>> I noticed that she has recieved a lot of flak for
>> resigning her
>> office of Quaestor this year as well as her
>> Propraetorship in Gallia.
>> I just wish to point out here that some of us should
>> be rather
>> careful not to throw stones in a glass house. There
>> are often a lot
>> of macroworld circumstances that do come up and can
>> have an adverse
>> effect on one's performance and ability to do or
>> complete a job.
>
> My impression at the time was that Octavia Aventina's
> resignation from her quaestorship was intended as a
> protest about the political situation in Nova Roma at
> the time, and was not to do with any personal or
> macronational pressures. Was my impression correct?
>
>
> [NB: This question is not a stone, nor is my house
> made of glass, nor do I have a house of any kind,
> living as I do on a boat. Thank you.]
>
>
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Salve -

I'm pretty sure Greek Fire was a Byzantine developement, and wouldn't
have been available at that time (the late Republic, I gather).

Vale
- Troianus
On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 03:21 PM, Gn. Julius Caesar
Cornelianus wrote:

>
> Be the Iulii and crush the Gauls!!!! Onagers are your best friend :)
> especially with greek fire....I had fun watching the remanants of the
> tribes...well I'll leave it at coming under Roman rule :)
> Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
> Cornelianus
>
> Bryan Reif <QBRufinus@...> wrote:
>
>
> Salvete omnes:
>
> I just wanted to let everyone know that a new PC game, called Rome:
> Toal War is availbale. I bought this game. I have found it to be
> totally encompassing as far as both strategy and tactically. In the
> game, you can play one of a number of factions within and outside of
> Rome, and the goal is the domination of the world. When battles
> occur, you can zoom into the battlefield and control individual
> cohorts of troops. The graphics are absolutely superb! Its
> definitely something to do when you can't be reenacting, or browsing
> through the discussions on the mainlist. I thought people would
> like to know about it.
>
> Valete:
>
> Quintus Bianchius Rufinus
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Salvete.

Iulia: �If that doesn�t make [the Libra Alliance] a
political party, could you enlighten me as to what
properties of a political party it lacks?�
Marinus: �Organization...organized leadership...
*smile*�
Will Rogers: �I�ve never been a member of any
organized political party. I�ve been a Democrat all
my life.�
Every UU I ever met: �We don�t believe in organized
religion. We�re Unitarians.�

� � (chortle) and valete,
Kalenda �Aliquis�, pagan-UU
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Salvete Equiti Mercuri et omnes,

Yes, I remember that resignation as well over the moderation issue;
like I indicate, usually there is a chain of things or events that
lead up to sudden resignations and there were also a lot of things
on her plate at that time. Just one particular little event can
ultimately make a person snap at times after the pressure in the pot
has been building for a spell. Others in NR have done this as well
for either macro world problems, political differences or the
combination of both and still have posts waiting, run for offices,
and do not get the same criticism. That is more or less my drift.

Anyway I am sure Diana, Cordus and our friends in Europe have hit
the sack now. Hopefully we'll get some response to these posts
tomorrow.

All the best,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus







--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Servius Equitius Mercurius
Troianus <hermeticagnosis@e...> wrote:

> Salve Cordus et salvete omnes -
>
> Your memory serves you well, Cordus - I had to look up the actual
> Posts, myself.
> The resignation message that I found follows, and makes it clear

that

> Diana resigned out of protest at having been placed on Moderated

status

> on the Main List.
>
> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:33:01 +0100 (BST)
> From: Censored Diana <sacerdosveneris@y...>
> Subject: Resignation
>
> Salvete,
>
> Since my last email to the Main list was edited by the dual
> Consul/Praetor Marinus which turned my
> sarcastic apology into a sincere one, I hereby submit my

resignation as

> Quaestor effective
> immediately. I no longer wish to spend even one moment of my spare

time

> working for an
> organization that has no freedom of speech and where the spoken

word is

> dealt with by threats of
> ridiculous lawsuits.
>
> Since this email is also likely to be Censored by our dual
> Consul/Praetor Marinus, I am cc'ing the
> Senate where he does not have moderator priviledges. It is time

that

> the Senate put a leash on
> this gentleman, before you have no magistrates left.
>
> I will forward my last financial spreadsheet to I Iulius as soon

as

> possible since I have no
> quarrel with him and do not wish to cause even the slightest

disruption

> to his Magna Mater
> project.
>
> Valete,
> Diana Octavia
>
> A day later Diana further clarified:
>
> [Snipped]
>
> The Senate needs to take contol of this man and this situation
> immediately since
> anyone who complains is easily silenced by Marinus. I am not the

only

> one who refuses to work for
> NR as long as he abuses the elected power that we gave him.
>
> [Snipped]
>
> Her words speak for themselves as to her motive for resigning.
>
> Vale et valete
> - Troianus
>
> On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 02:27 PM, A. Apollonius Cordus
> wrote:
>
> []
> >
> > A. Apollonius Cordus Q. Lanio Paulino Dianae Octaviae
> > Aventinae omnibusque sal.
> >
> > Lanius Paulinus wrote about Octavia Aventina:
> >
> >> I noticed that she has recieved a lot of flak for
> >> resigning her
> >> office of Quaestor this year as well as her
> >> Propraetorship in Gallia.
> >> I just wish to point out here that some of us should
> >> be rather
> >> careful not to throw stones in a glass house. There
> >> are often a lot
> >> of macroworld circumstances that do come up and can
> >> have an adverse
> >> effect on one's performance and ability to do or
> >> complete a job.
> >
> > My impression at the time was that Octavia Aventina's
> > resignation from her quaestorship was intended as a
> > protest about the political situation in Nova Roma at
> > the time, and was not to do with any personal or
> > macronational pressures. Was my impression correct?
> >
> >
> > [NB: This question is not a stone, nor is my house
> > made of glass, nor do I have a house of any kind,
> > living as I do on a boat. Thank you.]
> >
> >
> >
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like I said it was not exactly accurate...you have onagers and can switch between greek fire and rocks, ballista, repeating ballista, time period I forget but you have a few hundred years at least, marius reforms don't happen historically by year, the Legionary Cohort are not the right size...unit size are according to game settings...though you do have Praetorians and Urban cohorts...its off but still entertaining for a game. You start off with the principes, velites and such and as you advance get triarii, and so on and so forth...so its pretty cool....sorry about yacking too much

Servius Equitius Mercurius Troianus <hermeticagnosis@...> wrote:Salve -

I'm pretty sure Greek Fire was a Byzantine developement, and wouldn't
have been available at that time (the late Republic, I gather).

Vale
- Troianus
On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 03:21 PM, Gn. Julius Caesar
Cornelianus wrote:

>
> Be the Iulii and crush the Gauls!!!! Onagers are your best friend :)
> especially with greek fire....I had fun watching the remanants of the
> tribes...well I'll leave it at coming under Roman rule :)
> Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
> Cornelianus
>
> Bryan Reif <QBRufinus@...> wrote:
>
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> Salvete omnes:
>
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> Rome, and the goal is the domination of the world. When battles
> occur, you can zoom into the battlefield and control individual
> cohorts of troops. The graphics are absolutely superb! Its
> definitely something to do when you can't be reenacting, or browsing
> through the discussions on the mainlist. I thought people would
> like to know about it.
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Salve Amice!

On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 06:11 PM, Quintus Lanius Paulinus
(Michael Kelly) wrote:

> Salvete Equiti Mercuri et omnes,
>
> Yes, I remember that resignation as well over the moderation issue;
> like I indicate, usually there is a chain of things or events that
> lead up to sudden resignations and there were also a lot of things
> on her plate at that time. Just one particular little event can
> ultimately make a person snap at times after the pressure in the pot
> has been building for a spell.

True - which is why I refrained from making any judgement, and just put
up her Post to show that Cordus was recollecting correctly.

> Others in NR have done this as well
> for either macro world problems, political differences or the
> combination of both and still have posts waiting, run for offices,
> and do not get the same criticism. That is more or less my drift.
>

Also true. Things seem to reach a certain degree of tension, then a
flurry of resignations occur. Most come back, some don't. Some get
back into office, while others remain tainted by a similar decision -
the Voters alone know why!

I think Cordus is on the right track in his suggestion to increase the
number of Magistrates - lightening the workload can only serve to
reduce the pressures on any individual Magistrate, and hopefully fewer
will reach that snapping point. It would also allow for a trained
co-worker to step in, if it does get too stressful and one needs to
take a short leave of absence (which would be far better than
resigning).

> Anyway I am sure Diana, Cordus and our friends in Europe have hit
> the sack now. Hopefully we'll get some response to these posts
> tomorrow.
>

I'm sure we will!
Always good to hear from you!

> All the best,
>

Likewise!
- Troianus

> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Servius Equitius Mercurius
> Troianus <hermeticagnosis@e...> wrote:
>> Salve Cordus et salvete omnes -
>>
>> Your memory serves you well, Cordus - I had to look up the actual
>> Posts, myself.
>> The resignation message that I found follows, and makes it clear
> that
>> Diana resigned out of protest at having been placed on Moderated
> status
>> on the Main List.
>>
>> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:33:01 +0100 (BST)
>> From: Censored Diana <sacerdosveneris@y...>
>> Subject: Resignation
>>
>> Salvete,
>>
>> Since my last email to the Main list was edited by the dual
>> Consul/Praetor Marinus which turned my
>> sarcastic apology into a sincere one, I hereby submit my
> resignation as
>> Quaestor effective
>> immediately. I no longer wish to spend even one moment of my spare
> time
>> working for an
>> organization that has no freedom of speech and where the spoken
> word is
>> dealt with by threats of
>> ridiculous lawsuits.
>>
>> Since this email is also likely to be Censored by our dual
>> Consul/Praetor Marinus, I am cc'ing the
>> Senate where he does not have moderator priviledges. It is time
> that
>> the Senate put a leash on
>> this gentleman, before you have no magistrates left.
>>
>> I will forward my last financial spreadsheet to I Iulius as soon
> as
>> possible since I have no
>> quarrel with him and do not wish to cause even the slightest
> disruption
>> to his Magna Mater
>> project.
>>
>> Valete,
>> Diana Octavia
>>
>> A day later Diana further clarified:
>>
>> [Snipped]
>>
>> The Senate needs to take contol of this man and this situation
>> immediately since
>> anyone who complains is easily silenced by Marinus. I am not the
> only
>> one who refuses to work for
>> NR as long as he abuses the elected power that we gave him.
>>
>> [Snipped]
>>
>> Her words speak for themselves as to her motive for resigning.
>>
>> Vale et valete
>> - Troianus
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 02:27 PM, A. Apollonius Cordus
>> wrote:
>>
>> []
>>>
>>> A. Apollonius Cordus Q. Lanio Paulino Dianae Octaviae
>>> Aventinae omnibusque sal.
>>>
>>> Lanius Paulinus wrote about Octavia Aventina:
>>>
>>>> I noticed that she has recieved a lot of flak for
>>>> resigning her
>>>> office of Quaestor this year as well as her
>>>> Propraetorship in Gallia.
>>>> I just wish to point out here that some of us should
>>>> be rather
>>>> careful not to throw stones in a glass house. There
>>>> are often a lot
>>>> of macroworld circumstances that do come up and can
>>>> have an adverse
>>>> effect on one's performance and ability to do or
>>>> complete a job.
>>>
>>> My impression at the time was that Octavia Aventina's
>>> resignation from her quaestorship was intended as a
>>> protest about the political situation in Nova Roma at
>>> the time, and was not to do with any personal or
>>> macronational pressures. Was my impression correct?
>>>
>>>
>>> [NB: This question is not a stone, nor is my house
>>> made of glass, nor do I have a house of any kind,
>>> living as I do on a boat. Thank you.]
>>>
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Sounds cool!
Do they have a version for Macs?
(Repeating ballistae - wouldn't the Romans have loved something like
that! Sort of a Gattling spear thrower?)
Vale
- Troianus
On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 06:16 PM, Gn. Julius Caesar
Cornelianus wrote:

>
> like I said it was not exactly accurate...you have onagers and can
> switch between greek fire and rocks, ballista, repeating ballista,
> time period I forget but you have a few hundred years at least, marius
> reforms don't happen historically by year, the Legionary Cohort are
> not the right size...unit size are according to game settings...though
> you do have Praetorians and Urban cohorts...its off but still
> entertaining for a game. You start off with the principes, velites
> and such and as you advance get triarii, and so on and so forth...so
> its pretty cool....sorry about yacking too much
>
> Servius Equitius Mercurius Troianus <hermeticagnosis@...>
> wrote:Salve -
>
> I'm pretty sure Greek Fire was a Byzantine developement, and wouldn't
> have been available at that time (the late Republic, I gather).
>
> Vale
> - Troianus
> On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 03:21 PM, Gn. Julius Caesar
> Cornelianus wrote:
>
>>
>> Be the Iulii and crush the Gauls!!!! Onagers are your best friend :)
>> especially with greek fire....I had fun watching the remanants of the
>> tribes...well I'll leave it at coming under Roman rule :)
>> Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
>> Cornelianus
>>
>> Bryan Reif <QBRufinus@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Salvete omnes:
>>
>> I just wanted to let everyone know that a new PC game, called Rome:
>> Toal War is availbale. I bought this game. I have found it to be
>> totally encompassing as far as both strategy and tactically. In the
>> game, you can play one of a number of factions within and outside of
>> Rome, and the goal is the domination of the world. When battles
>> occur, you can zoom into the battlefield and control individual
>> cohorts of troops. The graphics are absolutely superb! Its
>> definitely something to do when you can't be reenacting, or browsing
>> through the discussions on the mainlist. I thought people would
>> like to know about it.
>>
>> Valete:
>>
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Salvete omnes

I would like to endorse those citizens I do believe will do a lot for Nova Roma next year:

Censor: Gn. Equitius Marinus, of course. Not because is the only candidate, but because he is a hard worker that is always there, behind his keyboard, to help and improve. He deserves to work in that honored office.

Consul: F. Apulus Caesar is, to me, one of the most willing citizens we have. His ideas of Nova Roma and what should it be are to me very important ones and really matures. He will drive Nova Roma to the place it deserves, maybe taking it out from the amatheurism it has. His job in Italia prove that this willing is not merely abstract. I will recomend him as Consul, of course.

On the second I have more doubts. Let me say I endorse P. Minucia-Tiberia Strabo as much as G. Modius Athanasius. Both of them seems to me straight and righteous persons. Both of them deserve to share the Consulship with F. Apulus Caesar.

Aedile Curule: G. Fabia Livia shown us in Segovia how much she loves Nova Roma and how much is she willing to work for it. Britania owes a lot to her for her job and compromise. I shall say she deserves everyone's vote, because she will do quite well.

Tribunes: Well, what can I say. C. Curius Saturninus' work in Thules and his Accademy is impresive. He is working all the time, working hard and step by step. M. Arminia Maior Fabiana is also very intelligent and has a good knowledge on roman law. When I met her in Hibernia I found there a willing and enthusiastic worker for Nova Roma that improved a lot in Hibernia, something she will prove once more if elected as Tribune. And I shall recomend also D. Constantinus Fuscus and P. Minius Albucius, because both of them can make this year a lot for the Tribuneship

Praetor: Faustus and Perusianus, can't be more clear. Both of them have proved their hard-work (One as Tribunus, the other as Propraetor of Italia) and willing to serve, and above all this, their bet to make a better Nova Roma building from the knowledge of Ancient History but knowing that we all live in present times. I do recomend both, strongly recomend both, because they are the most accurated persons to make Nova Roma main list a place for mature discussion, and of course, for their balanced knowledge of the Laws we have now and Rome had on its time. Arminius Faustus and Iulius Perusianus are, to me, the best candidates for the praetorship.

On that subject, I would like to quote and comment something I red about D. Octavia Aventina:

"Also for Praetor, Diana Octavia Aventina. Some have tried to smear Diana Octavia's reputation by mentioning her resignations from earlier this year. Yet, while some would paint those in so horrible a light, I think they miss the obvious point: she realized that circumstances might prevent her from executing the offices, and so had the dignity and responsibility to step down, to see that the Republic was served, rather than have a magistrate in office who does nothing. This, Ladies and Gentlemen, is what I think epitomizes what a magistrate should be: responsible. I believe Diana Octavia has proved her responsibility, and I know that this will carry with her into the coming year. I need not also mention Aventina's service to the Republic as a Priestess of Venus, Scribe to Aedile Scaurus, Lictor, and as a former Tribune of the Plebes, as I believe her service there speaks for itself. Citizens, I urge you to vote for Diana Octavia Aventina when you cast your votes for the Praetorship."

I won't talk about Octavia Aventina's reputation because always facts put people on their place. But I would like to talk about responsability.

Responsability implies to know for certain degree if someone is going to do something he promised. Responsability implies to know in advance something about the burdens and tasks you are going to take. And responsability, at last, means to be honest and truth firstly with one itself, then with the others. If you aren't honest to you yourselve, what can expect the others?

I talk about responsability because I do have experienced the lack and knowledge of it within Nova Roma in myself. I learnt something; you musn't say "yes" if you can't acomplish with the tasks it implies.

I have been Tribunus Plebis together with Octavia Aventina and Popilius Laenas. Both of them maybe are willing to serve, but that was not enough. The will must walk hand to hand with the work. If you say something you don't do later, they are just, as in my land is said, "Words taken out by the wind". Octavia Aventina has the chance to prove that she is going to work hard for being a good Praetor. But I ask her: Are you really aware of the job? Are you really aware of the responsabilities it implies? And over all, are you really aware where Nova Roma shall be driven to? Three questions we all should ask to ourselves before running for any office, but specially focused to her.

I won't run for any office this year because I won't lie to the citizens. I don't have many time, and Hispania consumes the 99% of my free time. I was asked to run, but my answer was based on that I really would like candidates to think about; responsability. I know many who are going to prove it, but on Octavia Aventina, I have my doubts. Why? Mainly for what I said; "Words are taken out by the wind; acts remain". And the acts of Octavia Aventina tells me more than her words.

I can be wrong. And of course I admit that life can twist our willings, it happened to me several times. But in this three years, more or less, that I know Octavia Aventina, I found more words than acts. And sadly for a candidate to the Praetorship, not many good words to moderate a List, nor for managing accurately the Laws we provided us with. I strongly discouragened her as Praetor.


vale bene in pace deorum

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oh trust me it is a riot....i hate the ballista's....not enough distance...now greek fire nothing like outting those to use destroying an army and sending in the cav to mop up the rest....archers are cool too :)

I believe its a windows only game haven't seen anything for Macintosh and just did a search and turned up nothing....check out activisions website...look up the game and scope out the video's if you can and you'll have an idea of what the battle is like

Servius Equitius Mercurius Troianus <hermeticagnosis@...> wrote:
Sounds cool!
Do they have a version for Macs?
(Repeating ballistae - wouldn't the Romans have loved something like
that! Sort of a Gattling spear thrower?)
Vale
- Troianus
On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 06:16 PM, Gn. Julius Caesar
Cornelianus wrote:

>
> like I said it was not exactly accurate...you have onagers and can
> switch between greek fire and rocks, ballista, repeating ballista,
> time period I forget but you have a few hundred years at least, marius
> reforms don't happen historically by year, the Legionary Cohort are
> not the right size...unit size are according to game settings...though
> you do have Praetorians and Urban cohorts...its off but still
> entertaining for a game. You start off with the principes, velites
> and such and as you advance get triarii, and so on and so forth...so
> its pretty cool....sorry about yacking too much
>
> Servius Equitius Mercurius Troianus <hermeticagnosis@...>
> wrote:Salve -
>
> I'm pretty sure Greek Fire was a Byzantine developement, and wouldn't
> have been available at that time (the late Republic, I gather).
>
> Vale
> - Troianus
> On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 03:21 PM, Gn. Julius Caesar
> Cornelianus wrote:
>
>>
>> Be the Iulii and crush the Gauls!!!! Onagers are your best friend :)
>> especially with greek fire....I had fun watching the remanants of the
>> tribes...well I'll leave it at coming under Roman rule :)
>> Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
>> Cornelianus
>>
>> Bryan Reif <QBRufinus@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Salvete omnes:
>>
>> I just wanted to let everyone know that a new PC game, called Rome:
>> Toal War is availbale. I bought this game. I have found it to be
>> totally encompassing as far as both strategy and tactically. In the
>> game, you can play one of a number of factions within and outside of
>> Rome, and the goal is the domination of the world. When battles
>> occur, you can zoom into the battlefield and control individual
>> cohorts of troops. The graphics are absolutely superb! Its
>> definitely something to do when you can't be reenacting, or browsing
>> through the discussions on the mainlist. I thought people would
>> like to know about it.
>>
>> Valete:
>>
>> Quintus Bianchius Rufinus
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L·DIDIVS·GEMINVS·SCEPTIVS <sceptia@y...> wrote:

"I would like to endorse those citizens I do believe will do a lot
for Nova Roma next year:
(..)
And I shall recommend also D. Constantinus Fuscus and P. Minius
Albucius, because both of them can make this year a lot for the
Tribuneship"
(..)

Thank a lot for your encouraging words. Hispania realizations are,
in fact, an example for me.

Muchas gracias y optime vale !

Scr. Cadomago, Gallia, a.d. VI Id. Dec. MMDCCLVII a.u.c.

Publius Minius Albucius
Candidate for Tribune
http://geocities.com/publiusalbucius/great_outdoors.html

Salve amice!

Great proposals about getting more magistrates to lighten the
workload! Many Nova Romans have several different jobs and positions
which can be too full a plate sometimes. Yuppies and the x
generation go-getters call this multi-tasking skills but more often
than not, in the macroworld they work on so many things
simaltaneously yet not get one particular task ever completed and
thus burn themselves out for nothing like my step daughter and many
friends but... thats another story!



Always good to hear from you too!

Quintus Lanius Paulinus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Servius Equitius Mercurius
Troianus <hermeticagnosis@e...> wrote:

> Salve Amice!
>
> On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 06:11 PM, Quintus Lanius

Paulinus

> (Michael Kelly) wrote:
> > Salvete Equiti Mercuri et omnes,
> >
> > Yes, I remember that resignation as well over the moderation

issue;

> > like I indicate, usually there is a chain of things or events

that

> > lead up to sudden resignations and there were also a lot of

things

> > on her plate at that time. Just one particular little event can
> > ultimately make a person snap at times after the pressure in the

pot

> > has been building for a spell.
>
> True - which is why I refrained from making any judgement, and

just put

> up her Post to show that Cordus was recollecting correctly.
>
> > Others in NR have done this as well
> > for either macro world problems, political differences or the
> > combination of both and still have posts waiting, run for

offices,

> > and do not get the same criticism. That is more or less my drift.
> >
> Also true. Things seem to reach a certain degree of tension, then

a

> flurry of resignations occur. Most come back, some don't. Some

get

> back into office, while others remain tainted by a similar

decision -

> the Voters alone know why!
>
> I think Cordus is on the right track in his suggestion to increase

the

> number of Magistrates - lightening the workload can only serve to
> reduce the pressures on any individual Magistrate, and hopefully

fewer

> will reach that snapping point. It would also allow for a trained
> co-worker to step in, if it does get too stressful and one needs

to

> take a short leave of absence (which would be far better than
> resigning).
>
> > Anyway I am sure Diana, Cordus and our friends in Europe have hit
> > the sack now. Hopefully we'll get some response to these posts
> > tomorrow.
> >
> I'm sure we will!
> Always good to hear from you!
>
> > All the best,
> >
> Likewise!
> - Troianus
>
> > Quintus Lanius Paulinus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Servius Equitius Mercurius
> > Troianus <hermeticagnosis@e...> wrote:
> >> Salve Cordus et salvete omnes -
> >>
> >> Your memory serves you well, Cordus - I had to look up the

actual

> >> Posts, myself.
> >> The resignation message that I found follows, and makes it clear
> > that
> >> Diana resigned out of protest at having been placed on Moderated
> > status
> >> on the Main List.
> >>
> >> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 22:33:01 +0100 (BST)
> >> From: Censored Diana <sacerdosveneris@y...>
> >> Subject: Resignation
> >>
> >> Salvete,
> >>
> >> Since my last email to the Main list was edited by the dual
> >> Consul/Praetor Marinus which turned my
> >> sarcastic apology into a sincere one, I hereby submit my
> > resignation as
> >> Quaestor effective
> >> immediately. I no longer wish to spend even one moment of my

spare

> > time
> >> working for an
> >> organization that has no freedom of speech and where the spoken
> > word is
> >> dealt with by threats of
> >> ridiculous lawsuits.
> >>
> >> Since this email is also likely to be Censored by our dual
> >> Consul/Praetor Marinus, I am cc'ing the
> >> Senate where he does not have moderator priviledges. It is time
> > that
> >> the Senate put a leash on
> >> this gentleman, before you have no magistrates left.
> >>
> >> I will forward my last financial spreadsheet to I Iulius as soon
> > as
> >> possible since I have no
> >> quarrel with him and do not wish to cause even the slightest
> > disruption
> >> to his Magna Mater
> >> project.
> >>
> >> Valete,
> >> Diana Octavia
> >>
> >> A day later Diana further clarified:
> >>
> >> [Snipped]
> >>
> >> The Senate needs to take contol of this man and this situation
> >> immediately since
> >> anyone who complains is easily silenced by Marinus. I am not the
> > only
> >> one who refuses to work for
> >> NR as long as he abuses the elected power that we gave him.
> >>
> >> [Snipped]
> >>
> >> Her words speak for themselves as to her motive for resigning.
> >>
> >> Vale et valete
> >> - Troianus
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, December 8, 2004, at 02:27 PM, A. Apollonius

Cordus

> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> []
> >>>
> >>> A. Apollonius Cordus Q. Lanio Paulino Dianae Octaviae
> >>> Aventinae omnibusque sal.
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> >>> Lanius Paulinus wrote about Octavia Aventina:
> >>>
> >>>> I noticed that she has recieved a lot of flak for
> >>>> resigning her
> >>>> office of Quaestor this year as well as her
> >>>> Propraetorship in Gallia.
> >>>> I just wish to point out here that some of us should
> >>>> be rather
> >>>> careful not to throw stones in a glass house. There
> >>>> are often a lot
> >>>> of macroworld circumstances that do come up and can
> >>>> have an adverse
> >>>> effect on one's performance and ability to do or
> >>>> complete a job.
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> >>> My impression at the time was that Octavia Aventina's
> >>> resignation from her quaestorship was intended as a
> >>> protest about the political situation in Nova Roma at
> >>> the time, and was not to do with any personal or
> >>> macronational pressures. Was my impression correct?
> >>>
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> >>> [NB: This question is not a stone, nor is my house
> >>> made of glass, nor do I have a house of any kind,
> >>> living as I do on a boat. Thank you.]
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