Salve Marine,

> Just to clarify a point before Arminia has her say, she is
> not one of the Allies in the Libra Alliance, and while she is
> welcome to her own opinions I'd appreciate if you and
> everyone else would not consider her opinions to be any sort
> of expression of an agreed-upon statement by anyone other than her.

Understood, and well taken. It certainly improves the status of the Libra
Alliance in my eyes. Thank you for the clarification.

Vale,

Metellus

--- "Quintus Lanius Paulinus:
I would equate to a smaller extent the

> loss of Scaurus, Maximus and their scholarship in Nova Roma to the
> destruction of the library of Alexandria in Cleopatra's time.

ROFL....;-)

M. Arminia Maior Fabiana
candidate for Tribune of the Plebs

Defeat the Boni : Elect Libra/Moderati!!


Fr. Apulus Caesar & Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo
for Consules
consuls that will accomplish real achievments

M. Iulius Perusianus & L. Arminius Faustus for Praetors
character, scholarship, proven doers
Liberal!

AVE CAESO FABI QVINTILIANE

> Aedilis Plebis
>
> Manius Constantinus Serapio,
> the Propraetor of Italia is a personal friend and even if he is

the

> only candidate I feel that I have to say that he is a very

compentent

> person who will bring dignitas, panem et circenses to this office.

I

> expect to see him climbing the Cursus Honorum and to achieve the

top

> positions within a few years. Good Luck!

Thank you for you very kind words!
Actually, it's quite useful to know in advance that I'm going to
fill the position of Aedilis Plebis. In fact I already started
working and preparing things for next year :-)
My intention is to follow the same direction indicated by Lucius
Arminius Faustus during his plebeian aedilship, i.e. definitely
eliminating the idea that the plebeian aedilship doesn't deserve the
citizens' attention. You'll see what I'm preparing, and then we'll
discuss this again! ;-)

OPTIME VALE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio

M. Arminia Maior Fabiana Q. Caecilio Metello spd:

Well thanks for the vote of confidence but I am not the Oracle of
Delphi:)!

I suggest you ask each of the Libra/ Moderati candidates why he or
she is better than his or her opponent. Let the Libra/Moderati speak
in his or her own words.

I would point out that the former Boni candidates consist solely
of North Americans; is this just?


vale
Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana
candidate for Tribune of the Plebs
Propraetrix Hiberniae
caput Officina Iuriis
et Investigatio CFQ
VOTE LIBRA/MODERATI !!
DEFEAT THE BONI

Fr. Apulus Caesar & Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo for Consules

M. Iulius Perusiansus & L. Arminius Faustus for Praetores


all opinions, slogans, & thoughts are solely those of
Arminia Maior
& nobody else;-)

Salve Maior,

> I suggest you ask each of the Libra/ Moderati candidates
> why he or she is better than his or her opponent. Let the
> Libra/Moderati speak in his or her own words.

The reason I ask you is because you seem to have such high regards for those
candidates I listed. I just want to know why *you* put them above their
opponents.

Again, I appreciate your response.

Vale,

Quintus Metellus

Salvete omnes,

It is 0120 hours, Dec 20 in Rome now. Guess its time to vote!


Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Salvete Maior et omnes,

Excellent! Laughter is indeed good medicine as they say.
Seriously, I consider Scaurus to be a walking " library " when it
comes to the classics. Maximus sure knows his stuff also.
Unfortunately whilst some of us have been trying to recruit
academics, we have found they quickly look and leave at NR.
They feel that geologists, accountants, engineers, astronomers,
nurses and yes, even lawyers haven't really got the credentials they
would like to see or site for that matter. People like these two
don't come often and when we get questions from around the world from
movie sets to students writing thesis and all they'll be looking for
the likes of these two, not many of the rest of us even if we know
more.

Oh, by the way these two have chewed on my ass too leaving nothing
unsaid when they thought I was wrong as well. Nothing to be offended
about in my opinion.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@y...> wrote:
>
> --- "Quintus Lanius Paulinus:
> I would equate to a smaller extent the
> > loss of Scaurus, Maximus and their scholarship in Nova Roma to
the
> > destruction of the library of Alexandria in Cleopatra's time.
>
>
> ROFL....;-)
>
> M. Arminia Maior Fabiana
> candidate for Tribune of the Plebs
>
> Defeat the Boni : Elect Libra/Moderati!!
>
>
> Fr. Apulus Caesar & Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo
> for Consules
> consuls that will accomplish real achievments
>
> M. Iulius Perusianus & L. Arminius Faustus for Praetors
> character, scholarship, proven doers
> Liberal!

"you wish to rid Nova Roma of the Boni"

--Sounds like a purge to me...not very open are you?

"I would point out that the former Boni candidates consist solely
of North Americans; is this just?"

--What does geographic location have to do with this? This is not Northern American (America particularly) politics where a state/region is broken up into districts and a representative is elected from each district. Otherwise how am I to have faith in any European representing (take that as you will) me? So what is so just about electing Europeans then?

In case you missed it Maior, the question posed to you (and others) was why you feel based upon your endorsement of candidates are they more qualified. It was asking you for your opinion not the candidates. Perhaps you have nothing to offer as to why they might be better. Instead you dodge around answering the question posed and resort to dividing cives based upon geographic location. As well as putting forth getting rid of one segment of the population from the political realm.

Just based upon what you have "expressed" and your leanings I would not have much faith in any Libra/Moderati service to NR. There is more I'd love to say but perhaps it is best left unsaid.

Cornelianus


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M. Arminia Maior Fabiana Q. Caecilio Metello salutem dicit;
Salve, well thank you for those kind words, I'm happy to discuss
their merits.

1. Franciscus Apulus Caesar, how can I praise enough someone who's
built up, really created a Provincia, into just about the biggest in
NR and the most active, with real life meetings and events. He's
registered it as a cultural society, seeking funds, there is an
Academia Italia with courses, and now the Conventus. A special grand
meeting of NR, circulating around countries, where we meet, discuss
archeology, history, see sites, have military displays incredible.
Apulus Caesar makes Nova Roma real. Plus he is a virtous person, not
a fighter. Kind and warm.
With Apulus Caesar as Consul Nova Roma will take giant steps
into real life.

2. Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo: Po is one of the longest members
of NR, had held just about every magistracy and knows the
Constitution and all the legal machinery inside out! She has the
humility to admit when she is wrong and the strength of character to
come back and work her way back up. She works with the Itali on the
Magna Mater project, to conserve the Temple of Magna Mater the
Protector of Rome and this is so important to make European-North
American friendships.
I see these two as ideal partner Consuls complimenting one another

3. Marcus Iulius Perusianus, another of the great producing Itali,
meaning real life endeavors. He is in Rome, they now have an aedile
urbis, he is the backbone of making Nova Roma an organization that
scholars will know and respect. Meeting professors and letting
universities know who we are, principally through the Magna Mater
project. For all devotees of the Religio this is a particularly
wonderful work! He is warm, sensible and committed. As praetor he
possesses practical abilities of the highest order

4. Lucius Arminius Faustus, a Brasilian of one of the biggest gens,
Arminia, he not only is Governor of Brasilia, but a wonderful
Classicist, devoted to restoring our institutions to those of
Republican Rome through research, which he shares with everyone on
the ML. As Tribune, he has produced laws to return this position to
what it should be. He is the model of a Tribune, modest devoted to
protecting the rights of the Plebs, never using a veto to push his
opinions on others. A true devotee of the Religio who's never been
permitted to become Flamen to Concordia. As praetor he knows the law
and is devoted to it.
I see Perusianus and Faustus as two real life can-do praetors of
the highest order who know and will devote themselves to the law.

So Metelle, these are my reasons for praising these candidates so
highly, the combination of scholarship with real world achievements
can only benefit Nova Roma.

I have enjoyed this exercise with all my heart.
optime vale
Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana
candidate for Tribune of the Plebs

> The reason I ask you is because you seem to have such high regards

for those

> candidates I listed. I just want to know why *you* put them above

their

> opponents.
>
> Again, I appreciate your response.
>
> Vale,
>
> Quintus Metellus

Salve Quinte Lani;
I agree that Nova Roma needs all the scholars she can have, but
may I remind you as so many seem to forget that we have a Professor
of Latin in Barcelona, a graduate student of latin philology teaching
at Academia Thules, A. Apollonius Cordus and Caius Curius Saturninus
and L. Arminius Faustus all with collegiate classical educations,
Saturninus studying for his M.A. Domitius Constaninus Fuscus who has
studied Roman Law.
Then Iulius Sulla the archeology student with all his connections.
Remember "Interview the Expert"? Provincia Italia and Provincia
Hispania NR are now recognized as cultural associations by their
governments. And I am embarassed I am sure I'm leaving out many
erudite Germani, Hispani and Itali.

I hope we North Americans look to our European confreres and see
just what they are accomplishing culturally and with scholars.

Scaurus and Maximus do not Nova Roma make. I've taken a shellacing
from them too, big deal. But they do not inspire respect which is a
great pity.
bene vale
M. Arminia Maior Fabiana
candidate for Tribune of the Plebs

VOTE LIBRA/ MODERATI: DEFEAT THE BONI!

Fr. Apulus Caesar & Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo
for Consules!

M. Iulius Perusianus & L. Arminius Faustus for Praetors!!

G. Equitius Cato quirites S.P.D.

Salvete omnes.

The talk of adjusting our elections has brought a thought to mind:
might it not be a good idea to have a couple of open fora during the
election season? By which I mean we could set up specific times for
candidates to be available online for "chatting" with citizens;
perhaps with a couple of "set" questions (like the ones Apollonius
Cordus and Metellus Postumanius have offered) followed by an open
discussion?

Now, I realize that the time differences between the many countries
we live in might make getting *all* the candidates at any one
specific forum impossible; which is why I suggest maybe three or so,
at different times on different days, with candidates signing up for
at least one. This way, in a "live" setting, I think much more can
be accomplished than endless rounds of letters on the Main List
correcting misconceptions, and would allow for a greater focussing
on specific issues that citizens might have.

The call for candidates might come earlier than it does now in order
to spread out these fora throughout the election season.


Just a thought.

Valete,

Cato

. Instead you dodge around answering the question posed and resort
to dividing cives based upon geographic location.

Salve Corneliane;
I've answered very specifically Metellus's question. Please read
my post to him where I discuss the great qualities of Pompeia, Apulus
Caesar, Perusianus and Faustus.
I am straitfoward and plain-speaking. I'm an includer not a divider.

I want Both Pompeia and Apulus Caesar for Consules!:)

bene vale in pace deorum
Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana

VOTE LIBRA/MODERATI : DEFEAT THE BONI

Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo & Fr. Apulus Caesar Consuls

M. Iulius Perusianus & L. Arminius Faustus for Praetors!!

yes well it arrived after I sent mine out..end of story

Maior <rory12001@...> wrote:
. Instead you dodge around answering the question posed and resort
to dividing cives based upon geographic location.

Salve Corneliane;
I've answered very specifically Metellus's question. Please read
my post to him where I discuss the great qualities of Pompeia, Apulus
Caesar, Perusianus and Faustus.
I am straitfoward and plain-speaking. I'm an includer not a divider.

I want Both Pompeia and Apulus Caesar for Consules!:)

bene vale in pace deorum
Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana

VOTE LIBRA/MODERATI : DEFEAT THE BONI

Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo & Fr. Apulus Caesar Consuls

M. Iulius Perusianus & L. Arminius Faustus for Praetors!!





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Salve Equiti Cato,

You have a good idea here. In future though I think we need to get a
faster chatline. Ours is ok for a few people but it can sure get
tedious with half a dozen or more. Perhaps our computer gurus here
may consider an adjustment on that.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@y...>
wrote:

>
> G. Equitius Cato quirites S.P.D.
>
> Salvete omnes.
>
> The talk of adjusting our elections has brought a thought to mind:
> might it not be a good idea to have a couple of open fora during

the

> election season? By which I mean we could set up specific times

for

> candidates to be available online for "chatting" with citizens;
> perhaps with a couple of "set" questions (like the ones Apollonius
> Cordus and Metellus Postumanius have offered) followed by an open
> discussion?
>
> Now, I realize that the time differences between the many countries
> we live in might make getting *all* the candidates at any one
> specific forum impossible; which is why I suggest maybe three or

so,

> at different times on different days, with candidates signing up

for

> at least one. This way, in a "live" setting, I think much more can
> be accomplished than endless rounds of letters on the Main List
> correcting misconceptions, and would allow for a greater focussing
> on specific issues that citizens might have.
>
> The call for candidates might come earlier than it does now in

order

> to spread out these fora throughout the election season.
>
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato

Salve Maior Arminia,

Thank you for the reminder about our European friends and experts.
All those gentlemen you just mentioned are great minds in the field
of Ancient Rome, classics and excellent at their English and I
wouldn't question that in a million years. We do, as you indicate
need more on this side of the pond.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@y...> wrote:
>
> Salve Quinte Lani;
> I agree that Nova Roma needs all the scholars she can have, but
> may I remind you as so many seem to forget that we have a Professor
> of Latin in Barcelona, a graduate student of latin philology
teaching
> at Academia Thules, A. Apollonius Cordus and Caius Curius
Saturninus
> and L. Arminius Faustus all with collegiate classical educations,
> Saturninus studying for his M.A. Domitius Constaninus Fuscus who
has
> studied Roman Law.
> Then Iulius Sulla the archeology student with all his
connections.
> Remember "Interview the Expert"? Provincia Italia and Provincia
> Hispania NR are now recognized as cultural associations by their
> governments. And I am embarassed I am sure I'm leaving out many
> erudite Germani, Hispani and Itali.
>
> I hope we North Americans look to our European confreres and see
> just what they are accomplishing culturally and with scholars.
>
> Scaurus and Maximus do not Nova Roma make. I've taken a shellacing
> from them too, big deal. But they do not inspire respect which is a
> great pity.
> bene vale
> M. Arminia Maior Fabiana
> candidate for Tribune of the Plebs
>
> VOTE LIBRA/ MODERATI: DEFEAT THE BONI!
>
> Fr. Apulus Caesar & Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo
> for Consules!
>
> M. Iulius Perusianus & L. Arminius Faustus for Praetors!!

Salve Gn. Julius Caesar Cornelianus -

On Dec 19, 2004, at 9:04 PM, Gn. Julius Caesar Cornelianus wrote:

> Just based upon what you have "expressed" and your leanings I would
> not have much faith in any Libra/Moderati service to NR.

Amazing! One person writes something you don't like, and automatically
you condemn ALL Libra and Moderati candidates.

Is this some sort of knee-jerk reaction, or did you enter into this
discussion with preconceived biases?

Vale
- S E M Troianus
Moderati Candidate for Quaestor

Salve Q. Lanius Paulinus -

Thanks! I appreciate your support for the idea.
While it's true there are many who "pop in and out" for visits, my
primary concern is for those who took the time to become Citizens but
haven't felt comfortable getting more involved - like voting. New
Citizens, yes, but also many who have been here a while. There are 815
people subscribed to the Main List alone, we have two thousand one
hundred and seven listed as Citizens - how many are following these
elections, how many voting?

On Dec 19, 2004, at 3:48 PM, Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)
wrote:

> Finally, according to those festive calenders, the Consuls of
> Republican Rome always took office in January and we wish to keep as
> much of that Ancient tradition as we reasonably can don't you think?
>

Yes, I agree: We need to keep the Roman forms, or it just wouldn't be
Nova Roma. If I were truly the "modernizer" some have tried to make me
out to be, I suggest scrapping the century voting order and recommend
just keeping the Cista open for a few days to everyone, to make it even
easier for people to get involved. We have to draw the line somewhere
though, so Roman voting by Centuries it is! However, there's nothing
in History to suggest we can't extend the discussion period, so let's
do it. Get more of our twenty one hundred Citizens involved!

Vale bene
- Troianus

Salve Q. Lanius Paulinus -

Thanks! I appreciate your support for the idea.
While it's true there are many who "pop in and out" for visits, my
primary concern is for those who took the time to become Citizens but
haven't felt comfortable getting more involved - like voting. New
Citizens, yes, but also many who have been here a while. There are 815
people subscribed to the Main List alone, we have two thousand one
hundred and seven listed as Citizens - how many are following these
elections, how many voting?

On Dec 19, 2004, at 3:48 PM, Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)
wrote:

> Finally, according to those festive calenders, the Consuls of
> Republican Rome always took office in January and we wish to keep as
> much of that Ancient tradition as we reasonably can don't you think?
>

Yes, I agree: We need to keep the Roman forms, or it just wouldn't be
Nova Roma. If I were truly the "modernizer" some have tried to make me
out to be, I suggest scrapping the century voting order and recommend
just keeping the Cista open for a few days to everyone, to make it even
easier for people to get involved. We have to draw the line somewhere
though, so Roman voting by Centuries it is! However, there's nothing
in History to suggest we can't extend the discussion period, so let's
do it. Get more of our twenty one hundred Citizens involved!

Vale bene
- Troianus

Salve Laureatus -

I'm getting a "Document Not Found" page for the link you have posted,
below.

Vale
- Troianus

On Dec 19, 2004, at 6:28 AM, CornMoraviusL@... wrote:

>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> As promised, and thanks to the legendary efficiency of G. Fabia Livia,
> Quid
> Novi Special edition is now available on pdf format at the link below.
>
> Valete
>
> Moravius Laureatus
>
>
> http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/MF_FQTe7T1Pn6dE_epXEPFXEfWyNp8k-
> knKdx90AOOf8c4_Md
> gTArFO0RB0rtwJUJRJDHfdqoTFlXR7F1sD70w/INTER%20ALIA/Elections2757.pdf
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Caius Minucius Scaevola M. Arminia Maior SPD;

On Sun, Dec 19, 2004 at 04:15:20PM -0000, Maior wrote:
>
> M. Arminia Maior C. Minucio Scaevolae salutem dicit;
>
> may I say welcome back! What a pleasure to have your witty self
> return;-)

[bows] Thank you, Domina. I appreciate the compliment and the welcome.

> my apologies, I typed 'edu' twice. The link works perfectly:
>
> http:www.clubs.psu.edu/up/aegsa/rome/romec.html

Unfortunately, that still fails. However, a little guesswork turns into

http://clubs.psu.edu/up/aegsa/rome/romec.html

which does work - and you're right, it's a great-looking calendar, with
a good functional description included.

> I love the nifty form of the calendar!
> Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana


Optime vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Amicus verus est rara avis.
A true friend is a rare bird.
-- N/A

I am? Oh excuse me for expressing my opinion. Knee jerk reaction..hardly. I am not the one suggesting getting rid of one side or the other am I? I have never stated that we should vote to "get rid" one side or the other. Nor have I suggested what is "just" based upon where a cive resides.

Who has the bias? The one responding or the one who suggests getting rid of one side and in the same breath drudging up garbage that has no relevence to the stated question of why she endorsed the individuals she did. Its a simple question and involves a rather simple answer.

For example, Why did you endorse XYZ for consul. Here are what I feel makes the candidate most suitable for serving as Consul (blah blah blah). But she in her initial post did not even do that. Only after I posted mine did her other post arrive. Spare me the lecture on bias. Individuals who suggest getting rid of one group based on their beliefs can hardly claim to be open.



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Salve Maior,

< If the Quirites vote Boni candidates you can be sure Drusus,
<Scaurus, Fabius Maximus, Diana Octavia will all return to the ML <with all the consequences.

a) I am not a Boni candidate.

b) I'm already on the main list so there can be no consequences of me 'returning' to the ML.

c) I have been quiet on this mainlist because I still see predominantly bickering going on and do not want to be involved in it. I for one am serious about wanting to work with everyone on all sides of the political fence. And if you notice I have not come out 'against' anyone in this election even when there have some 'don't vote Diana' emails'.

Arguing does not solve anything-- it is working together that will.

That said, good luck in your bid for Tribune.

Vale,

Diana Octavia




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Salve Maoir,

< I would point out that the former Boni candidates consist solely
< of North Americans; is this just?

If you are considering me as a 'former Boni' candidate, then I would like to correct you. I am a Belgian citizen who has recently applied for a second passport-- that of Italy. I've lived in Europe since 1993 (Spain, Germany & Belgium). Before that I lived briefly in Mexico and then in Thailand.

Therefore I am not at all anti-European since I am one.

Vale,
Diana




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Yes, G J C Cornelianus - your reaction against all Libra and Moderati
candidates because you don't like the post of ONE PERSON is either a
knee jerk reaction or a bias. It's blatant partisanship wrapped in a
veneer of righteous indignation.
"I'm not the one suggesting getting rid of one side or the other" you
say, well, NEITHER AM I!! So don't you try to paint me with some guilt
by association nonsense and claim you're being objective, because
you're not.

- S E M Troianus
Moderati Candidate for Quaestor

Salve Diana,

> If you are considering me as a 'former Boni' candidate, then I

would like to correct you.

Illustra Diana, I think some people thinks you're Boni because you
ever claimed it... I suppose...
However if you say that you aren't and you haven't been ever a
member of the Boni party, I would trust you.

> I am a Belgian citizen who has recently applied for a second

passport-- that of Italy.

I remember that your family is sicilian, is it? Are you coming back
in Italy? We would welcome you to partecipate in our many provincial
activities if you will be in Provincia Italia, I would be proud.

> I've lived in Europe since 1993 (Spain, Germany & Belgium). Before

that I lived briefly in Mexico and then in Thailand.

I'm very impressed, the meeting of so different cultures would help
the growth of the person?

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar

Salvete Cato et Omnes,

> The talk of adjusting our elections has brought a thought to

mind:

> might it not be a good idea to have a couple of open fora during

the

> election season? By which I mean we could set up specific times

for

> candidates to be available online for "chatting" with citizens;
> perhaps with a couple of "set" questions (like the ones Apollonius
> Cordus and Metellus Postumanius have offered) followed by an open
> discussion?

As I said during the candidacy time, I'm ever on-line to answer and
talk with any citizen. You could ever me on Yahoo message with the
nick FAPULUS or MSN Messanger with the e-mail address fraelov @
libero.it
A couple of citizens contated already me and I was very happy to
talk about my opinions with them.
I'm here to answer to all your questions.

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar

SAlve Illustrs Metellus,

Pompeia, Modius Athanasius and Laenas are very good citizens and
magistrates, intelligent and full of skills. I think nobody could
say who is better and firstly the candidates. It wouldn't be elegant
and polite... Each of us presented a program, ideas and projects and
opinions about NR and the job as Consul. The citizens would be
invited to vote the own favourite candidate for the program and the
his experience and his views about the future of our organization.

At the end, the two elected candidates wouldn't be considered better
than the loosers, the programs and the their opinions would win.

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Candidate as Consul


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lester A. Jones"
<postumianus@g...> wrote:

> Q. Caecilius Metellus Candidatis Tribunatui Plebis, Praeturae, et

Consulatui

> apud Quirites salutem dicit.
>
> Salvete,
>
> In light of the questions I just asked, I have a question for each

of you.

> What makes you more qualified for the position you are seeking, or

why will

> you be the better person for the position?
>
> I appreciate your answers.
>
> Valete Optime,
>
> Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
> Concerned Citizen

Salve all

"Gnaeus Iulius Caesar" <gn_iulius_caesar@y...> wrote:

>
> Salve Maior.
>
> I concur there are lesons to be learned from this exchange.
>
> (...)
>
> I think the object lesson the centuries that yet have to vote should
> draw concerns (...)
>
> I think the centuries should (...)
>
> I think the centuries should (...)
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> I think the centuries should (...)
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> I think the centuries should (...)
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>

I think that the telling the centuries, so the whole population of
Nova Roma, what they should or should not do and this not one, but
seven times in a row and in a single mail, is a pretty big show of
presumption and arrogance, isn't it?

Vale

Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
Aedilis Urbis
PF Constantinia
Candidate for Tribunus Plebis

Gaius Modius Athanasius S.P.D.

You state that if ex-Boni like myself are elected that people are going to
come on the main list and issue rude statements etc... Frankly, Marca
Arminia, I found the below post of yours very rude and insulting.

As a candidate for Consul I have stated that I would work diligently with my
colleague no matter who they were for the betterment of Nova Roma. I have
the support of one of the key founders of the Libra movement: Marcus Octavius
Germanicus; is his judgement imparied because he gave his support to me and
not to another? Has he been duped by a Boni conspiracy. Absolutely not.

It boils down to this...

Nova Roma is composed of people, and people have emotions and feelings. Too
many people in Nova Roma have been hurt by others, and those scars run deep.
What is needed in the consul seat, and every magisterial office, is mature
leadership that can put aside vendettas, and personal grudges and work for
peace. Your comments such as, " If we elect former Boni, the 'defunct' Boni
will spring back to life and Drusus, Scaurus, Fabius Maximus and Diana Octavia
will all return and the ML will become the rude, bullying, obscene place
it was previously.," does nothing to facilitate growth and a strong Nova
Roma.

This was the same argument I used in the Collegium Pontificum when Hadrianus
and I were talking to the other pontifices about reinstating you to the
Priesthood. Magistrates need to be peacemakers, and exercise strong leadership.
Not sling mud at each other and perpetuate conflict.

We are not playing a political simulation, or engaging in Role Playing --
working to see that "our" side wins the current political battle. We are
working to safe an organization that was founded to perpetuate Roman society,
culture, and religion. This means we must all work together.

Valete;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 12/19/2004 5:25:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rory12001@... writes:

Salvete Quirites:
I wish to thank Censor Quintilianus for his endorsement of my
candidacy and that of my fellow Librans/Moderati:
Caius Curius Saturninus
D. Constantinus Fuscus
for Tribune of the Plebs

M. Constantinus Serapio
Plebian Aedile

Why in this election is it so important to elect Libra and Moderati
Candidates?
1. the Boni say there are defunct and many former Boni are
running as Independents.

2. If we elect former Boni, the 'defunct' Boni will spring back
to life and Drusus, Scaurus, Fabius Maximus and Diana Octavia will
all return and the ML will become the rude, bullying, obscene place
it was previously.

I ask all cives if you wish to rid Nova Roma of the Boni
vote for:

Franciscus Apulus Caesar & Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo
for Consules
Europe and the Americas accomplishing real life
achievements

M. Iulius Perusianus & L. Armininus Faustus for Praetors
praetors of character, scholarship, proven doers
Liberal

Bene Valete
Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana: candidate Tribune Plebis
Propraetrix Hiberniae
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Gaius Modius Athanasius Q. Caecilio Metello salutem dicit

Very interesting question.

Why do *I* believe I should be consul?

I believe I should be consul because I understand both sides of the
political spectrum of Nova Roma. I have been a Bonus, and understand the fears that
they have and I understand why they have these fears. I am also good friends
with many of the Libra and after many long conversations on the phone with
several of the Libra I understand their concerns. Someone who is sympathetic
to all political persuasions in Nova Roma is crucial -- I believe -- in the
upcoming year.

I don't want to see anyone leave Nova Roma. A desire to have your "enemies"
leave is a sign of poor leadership. Wanting to build bridges and facilitate
reconciliation and growth, that is what is needed. Do *I* have what it
takes to do this? I don't know, but I believe I can lay a good foundation for
future growth -- as this process will take a long time.

I have also shown that I am willing to acknowledge my mistakes. It takes
humility to be a leader, an effective one. Being able to admit when you are
wrong, or when you make a rash judgement is important. I believe I have
illustrated this trait, and have no problem letting everyone know when I believe I
have made a mistake.

I have shown that I have the fortitude to stay in office even during times
of great stress. It would have been so easy for me to simply walk away from
Nova Roma, and most other activities in my life, when my father was suffering
in the hospital and after he passed away. I did not, because I take my
duties in Nova Roma seriously. This is not a game to me, I work hard even when it
would simply be easier to focus on something else. I have not given up on
our Republic.

There has been some talk of local activity within Nova Roma, this is
something that I support and is something that I have done in my area. Whenever I
attend an event that gives me an opportunity to promote Nova Roma or conduct a
workshop I do. I have also conducted several ritual to Pomona in my
capacity as Flamen Pomonalis -- and even made front page of a local weekly
newspaper. I fully support local activity, and I am doing it.

There is much concern mentioned recently about the Collegium Pontificum. I
am the only candidate for Consul who is a Pontifex and an Augur. As a Consul
I would not need to consult the Collegium Augurium, and I would have the
contact with the Collegium Pontificum to hopefully engage them in doing what
they are mandated to do, and help with some transparency issues.

I am sure I have missed some things. But I believe this is sufficient for
now.

Valete;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 12/19/2004 6:48:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
postumianus@... writes:

Q. Caecilius Metellus Candidatis Tribunatui Plebis, Praeturae, et Consulatui
apud Quirites salutem dicit.

Salvete,

In light of the questions I just asked, I have a question for each of you.
What makes you more qualified for the position you are seeking, or why will
you be the better person for the position?

I appreciate your answers.

Valete Optime,

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
Concerned Citizen






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Salvete omnes et salve Fusce.

Oh Fuscus, you know full well with your command of English that "I
think the centuries should" is not an imperative command.

You have frequently exhorted people to think about things or people,
usually someone you disagree with or their position. If I was
presumptious (which I wasn't) you would have had to been
presumptious too for doing the same thing.

Arrogance? Encouraging people to consider a candidate's suitability?
I think the correct word is democracy.

The issue had died, then along you come and draw attention to her
posts all over again. It doesn't bother me; I am not standing for
Tribune trying to prove that the veto is in safe and stable hands.

Valete et vale
Caesar


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Domitius Constantinus Fuscus"
<dom.con.fus@e...> wrote:

>
> Salve all
>
> "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar" <gn_iulius_caesar@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Maior.
> >
> > I concur there are lesons to be learned from this exchange.
> >
> > (...)
> >
> > I think the object lesson the centuries that yet have to vote

should

> > draw concerns (...)
> >
> > I think the centuries should (...)
> >
> > I think the centuries should (...)
> >
> > I think the centuries should (...)
> >
> > I think the centuries should (...)
> >
> > I think the centuries should (...)
> >
> > I think the centuries should (...)
> >
>
>
> I think that the telling the centuries, so the whole population of
> Nova Roma, what they should or should not do and this not one, but
> seven times in a row and in a single mail, is a pretty big show of
> presumption and arrogance, isn't it?
>
> Vale
>
> Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
> Aedilis Urbis
> PF Constantinia
> Candidate for Tribunus Plebis

Gaius Modius Athanasius S.P.D.

There is no such thing as a Flamen to Concordia in Nova Roma.

Lucius Arminius Faustus applied to become a Sacerdos, not a Flamen. There
is a difference. Additionally, I have encouraged Faustus to re-apply. It
took me three times before my application for augur was accepted. But I didn't
need anyone to point this out on the main list.

Valete;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 12/19/2004 9:17:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rory12001@... writes:

A true devotee of the Religio who's never been
permitted to become Flamen to Concordia.





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A. Apollonius Cordus Q. Lanio Paulino omnibusque sal.

> Finally, according to those festive calenders, the
> Consuls of
> Republican Rome always took office in January and we
> wish to keep as
> much of that Ancient tradition as we reasonably can
> don't you think?

This is only after 154. Before then they took office
on the ides of March. And there's even some
controversial evidence that before the 220s they took
office on the idea of May. So moving the elections to
late February / early March, or perhaps even to late
April / early May, would be perfectly in keeping with
historical practice. But so would leaving it as it is.
This is one of those pleasant times when we have
several equally historical options to choose from. :)





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A. Apollonius Cordus C. Equitio Catoni amico
omnibusque sal.

I like the idea, especially if the transcripts could
be kept and made available to people who didn't make
it to the sessions themselves (which would help to
diminish the time-zone problem).





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omnibusque sal.

> ... There are 815
> people subscribed to the Main List alone, we have
> two thousand one
> hundred and seven listed as Citizens - how many are
> following these
> elections, how many voting?

The last question will be answered in the chief
rogator's end-of-year report (expect it some time in
January), which will contain as much raw data on the
elections as can reasonably be published without
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A. Apollonius Cordus M. Arminiae Majori amicae
omnibusque sal.

> you mean H.H. Scullard's "Festivals and
> Ceremonies of the Roman
> Republic" I'm going to Trinity College wednesday to
> copy the entire
> book.

That's the one. Very handy.

> But no need to reinvent the wheel:
> http://clubs.psu.edu/edu/up/aegsa/rome/romec.html

I know the one you mean, but in about ten to fifteen
different places it differs from the
generally-accepted reconstruction by Michels. Since it
doesn't seem to contain any explanation of why it
departs from Michels (possibly it's based on calendars
from the principate, whereas Michels' calendar is
republican), I prefer to stick with Michels.

It also doesn't tell you whether days are religiosi or
atri, which is important to know; and finally it
doesn't give the nundinae, which move cyclically every year.





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> > you mean H.H. Scullard's "Festivals and
> > Ceremonies of the Roman
> > Republic" I'm going to Trinity College wednesday
> to
> > copy the entire
> > book.
>
> That's the one. Very handy.

It's not the one I was referring to, though I have
also looked at that one. The one I was actually
talking about is Michael York (1986) 'The Roman
Festival Calendar of Numa Pompilius'. (Which is green
- Scullard isn't!)

Livia


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C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix M. Arminiae Maior Fabianae S.P.D.

Salve.

Maior wrote:

> I would point out that the former Boni candidates consist solely
>of North Americans; is this just?
>
>

I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at here.... are you implying
that we should or should not vote on a candidate on the basis of thier
macronationality? Where a candidate calls his or her home should be
completely irrelevant in our elections. Do we really want or need to
bring macronational conflict into an already divided Nova Roma?

>
> vale
> Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana
> candidate for Tribune of the Plebs
>Propraetrix Hiberniae
>caput Officina Iuriis
>et Investigatio CFQ
> VOTE LIBRA/MODERATI !!
> DEFEAT THE BONI
>
>

Vale bene,

C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix
Pontifex

Vote for who they ARE, not where they are FROM.

HADRIANUS: Where a candidate calls his or her home should be

> completely irrelevant in our elections. Do we really want or need

to

> bring macronational conflict into an already divided Nova Roma?
>
> >
> Arminia Felico salutem dicit;

well actually it is really very important if we look at the
tremendous growth in the provinces of Italia and Hispania. This is
real world growth.
The Boni ignore or belittle all the great achievements going on
in NR's European provinces: Academia Thules, Academia Italia,
cultural organization recognition, real world municipia, real world
meetings, the real world Conventus, the real world Magna Mater
project to educate and conserve the Temple on the Palantine to Magna
Mater.
We North American can learn from and should emulate as much as we
can such terrific achievements!
So this is why I say the combination of

Fr. Apulus Caesar & Pompeia Minucia Tibera Strabo
for Consules is ideal!

M. Iulius Perusianus & L . Arminius Faustus
for Praetors also ideal!

North & South Americans and Europeans working together for NR's real
world growth!
Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana
candidate for Tribune Plebis

VOTE LIBRAE/MODERATI: DEFEAT THE BONI!!


all opinions, slogans, and thoughts are
solely those of Armina Maior & nobody else;-)

Salve Marcae Arminiae Maior Fabianae et salvete omnes.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@y...> wrote:

SNIPPED

> The Boni ignore or belittle all the great achievements going on
> in NR's European provinces: Academia Thules, Academia Italia,
> cultural organization recognition, real world municipia, real
world
> meetings, the real world Conventus, the real world Magna Mater
> project to educate and conserve the Temple on the Palantine to
Magna
> Mater.

<SIGH> I know you consider me to be a "Boni candidate". Could you
please provide some evidence where I have "belittled" any of the
items / activities you have lisetd above?

I am sure it is tiring to many to hear this repeated over and over,
but there is no Boni agenda or position on nay of these items.

Valete,

G. Popillius Laenas

I please the next citizens to answer me for important communication :

- Sabina Maxima
- Gaius Prometheus Dacicus
- Marcus Prometheus Decius Golia
- Iulia Iulia Cytheris Aege
- Gaius Marius Crassus
- Primus Adrianus Traianus
- Aemilia Claudia Tertia
- Publius Curius Caesar

OPTIME VALE,
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Salvete,

> I am sure it is tiring to many to hear this
> repeated over and over, but there is no Boni agenda
> or position on nay of these items.

I rather suspect that Maior wishes to perpetuate the
myth of the 'boni agenda' as it suits her negative
campaign style. Take that away and there is very
little of any real substance.

Valete

Decimus Iunius Silanus





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Salve Laenas;

here below is your uncut post. Now I agree you are a personable and thoughtful man. But you specifically state your friends are Fabiius Maximus, Drusus and Sulla. If the Quirites vote you as Consul, the 'defunct' Boni would spring back to life. ., --- IIt is very possible, probable, that a vote for Laenas is a vote for the Return of the Boni. bene vale, Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana"gaiuspopilliuslaenas"
wrote: candidate for Tribune of the Plebs,

VOTE LIBRA/MODERATI : DEFEAT THE BONid
Salvete Omnes,

Recently I was asked, "The gossip says you are a Boni. Is that
true, or, are you an independent thinker and politician?" (That is
a paraphrase, but essentially that was the question).

Well, the complete answer is that I am both.

I am a member of a private mailing list called "Boni". I am also an
independent thinker who approaches every issue on its individual
merits, and acts and votes accordingly.

The Boni do not have a "leader", we do not swear oaths, we are a
diverse group, and we certainly do not always agree. We do not have
a secret plan or agenda for Nova Roma. As Cordus says, that is
giving us far too much credit, and it assigns malice where none
exists.

What makes me a Boni?, the same things, I suspect, that would
precipitate gossip labeling me as one:

(1) I am for the strict reconstruction of ancient Roma in every way
that is possible and practical. I feel that if we fail to follow
that path, we will create nothing more than a Roman "flavored" club.

(2) Although not a practitioner, I fully support the Religio as the
centerpiece of Nova Roma. I do, and have fully supported, the
recent decree on the College of Pontiffs on animal sacrifice.

(3) I agree, more often than not, but not always, with the
positions of Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix, Quintus Fabius Maximus,
and Lucius Sicinius Drusus (the "most visible" BONI). I also
consider them my friends. I believe my communication style to be
somewhat different
(Some may disagree ;-).

These are the things I share with the other Boni. These are the
things that make me Boni, not membership on a mailing list. All of
these things are public knowledge about me, therefore, I have to
disagree when my friend Cordus says, "if you belong to such a group
and run for election without declaring your membership, you are
deceiving the voting public". I, like my friend Silanus, feel my
positions when I have been a candidate have been transparent.

Why the secrecy then? It seemed necessary in the past to avoid
being ostracized. As an example, a relatively new cive recently
asked, "Who are the Boni?" Apparently the question was answered by
such a deluge of negative private mails, that this cive quickly
retreated from the thread.

Even so, perhaps that time is past. In the recent non-election for
Praetor, I sensed the same thing my questioner affirmed, the gossip
says I am Boni, and (it goes without saying does it not ;-) Boni is
bad. It is time to change that perception.

That is why I have decided to follow the example of my friends
Diana, Modius, and Silanus and make my membership public. I hope
that all cives will judge us on what we say and do and not what is
said behind the scenes about the Boni.

Valete,

Gaius Popillius Laenas
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--- Salve Silane;
well how about building up Nova Roma North America the way Apulus
Caesar has in Italia? I have plenty of positive achievements to
praise. Please read my posts abou the real world cultural societies,
the Conventus, the municipia, the work with scholars and universities
M. Iulius Perusianus is involved in this very minute! The Magna Mater
project that Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo is working so hard on. Or
wonderful Faustus with his knowledge of Roman history and
institutions.
I can specifically praise these people all the live long day.
I have everything positive to say!!!
VOTE FOR LIBRA/MODERATI FOR A REAL LIFE NOVA ROMA:
DEFEAT THE BONI

Fr. Apulus Caesar & Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo for Consuls
M. Iulius Perusianus & L. Arminius Faustus for Praetors!!


<. Take that away and there is very

> little of any real substance.
>
> Valete
>
> Decimus Iunius Silanus
>
>
>
>
>
> ___________________________________________________________
>

Salvete omnes,

To me the Boni,more often than not, are all the boni wee lassies
here! Now who wouldn't like that group in NR?

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Citizens of Nova Roma;

I am pleased to come before you to announce
(a few days early) the release of the subject issue of the Nova Roma
Newsletter. This will be my last issue of "Aquila (Eagle)" in the year
2004, and it will be my last month as Editor of the newsletter for this
year. I hope that all have enjoyed the newsletter throughout this
twelve month period.

My thanks to all those Roman authors who have given of thier time and
efforts to contribute to this "voice" of Nova Roma, and my thanks also
to the Citizens of Nova Roma who were kind enough to give me the
opportunity to serve them in such a satisfying and entertaining way.

I reserve my greatest praise for my dedicated and talented publisher,
Charles Veit. He is not a member of Nova Roma, but he is a good friend
of mine and of NR as well, and has undertaken the Publisjhing and Design
of the newsletter both as a favor to me, and as a means of learning more
about ancient Roma.

In the coming year, I hope to have some further ideas regarding Nova
Roma in the area of journalism. I thank the Senate for appointing me as
a kind of journalistic overseer for the continuence of both "Aquila" and
other publishing efforts as may be considered appropriate for the
citizens of NR.

Very Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens


Wishing you all the best, with Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Citizens of Nova Roma;

I am pleased to come before you to announce
(a few days early) the release of the subject issue of the Nova Roma
Newsletter.

The December issue (and all other issues for the year 2004) may be found
at:

htp://livinghistoryengineer.com/roman/eagle/index.htm

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens


Wishing you all the best, with Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

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Marca Arminia Maior;

Lacus Magni is a thriving province.... Libra member Marcus Octavius
Germanicus can attest to the work of Marcus Bianchius Antonius...a very excellent
example of a Propraetor.

Stop slinging mud!

Vale;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 12/20/2004 11:20:34 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rory12001@... writes:

--- Salve Silane;
well how about building up Nova Roma North America the way Apulus
Caesar has in Italia? I have plenty of positive achievements to
praise. Please read my posts abou the real world cultural societies,
the Conventus, the municipia, the work with scholars and universities
M. Iulius Perusianus is involved in this very minute! The Magna Mater
project that Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo is working so hard on. Or
wonderful Faustus with his knowledge of Roman history and
institutions.
I can specifically praise these people all the live long day.
I have everything positive to say!!!





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Marca Arminia Maior wrote:

> --- Salve Silane;
> well how about building up Nova Roma North America
> the way Apulus
> Caesar has in Italia?

And I would just like to point that Decimus Iunius
Silanus is not in North America, and would therefore
find it quite difficult to build anything there. He
did, however, do the essential groundwork in
transforming Britannia in to the lively province it is
today - and which you praise me for maintaining.

Being a fantastic provincial governor and encouraging
face-to-face meetings is not the exclusive preserve of
the political 'left', and I am *proud* to follow in
Silanus' footsteps as governor of an active and
friendly province (where, incidentally, everyone
manages to get along excellently without their
political differences getting in the way).

Livia


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G. Popillius Laenas Marcae Arminiae Maior Fabianae salutem dicit.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, rory kirshner <rory12001@y...> wrote:
>
> Salve Laenas;
>
> here below is your uncut post.<<

Laenas: Yes, I myself, have referred others to it who have had questions.

>>Now I agree you are a personable and thoughtful man.<<

Laenas: Thanks. I'm good looking too ;-).

>>But you specifically state your friends are Fabiius Maximus, Drusus
and Sulla. If the Quirites vote you as Consul, the 'defunct' Boni
would spring back to life. ., --- IIt is very possible, probable, that
a vote for Laenas is a vote for the Return of the Boni.<<

Laenas: I consider myself to be freinds with a lot of Nova Romans,
but I do not see what that has to do with what they chose to post on
this List. As for a return of the Boni, I still believe in the
traditionist approach to NR that is stated in my post you quote, but
the organized group that you seem to fear, and even hate, has NEVER
existed. Please re-read my original post which you have copied.

A vote for me WILL be a vote for thoughtfulness, equity, stability and
fairness no matter what faction one does or does not belong to.

I started this conversation because you said the Boni were against
certain items and actions of our Eurpoean cives. I asked to be shown
where I have stated those views. I am still waiting.

Vale.

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These are the preliminary results of the votes of the
first class (centuries 1 to 14) in the comitia
centuriata. These results are as of 00:01 Roman time
on the 20th.

For censor:

Cn. Equitius Marinus is the first choice candidate of
13 centuries.


For consul:

Franciscus Apulus Caesar is the first choice of 1
century and the tied first choice of 7 centuries.

Pompeja Minucia Tiberia Strabo is the first choice of
1 century and the tied first choice of 7 centuries.

C. Modius Athanasius is the first choice of 1 century
and the tied first choice of 4 centuries.

C. Popillius Laenas is the first choice of 3 centuries
and the tied first choice of 5 centuries.


For praetor:

L. Arminius Faustus is the first choice of 0 centuries
and the tied first choice of 6 centuries.

Ti. Galerius Paulinus is the first choice of 2
centuries and the tied first choice of 4 centuries.

M. Julius Perusianus is the first choice of 3
centuries and the tied first choice of 4 centuries.

Diana Octavia Aventina is the first choice of 1
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Oh come now Troianus. Before you go after me why don't you criticize Maior. She after all made the post which brought on the response. Don't accuse me of any bias without running everyone through the gauntlet. But why haven't you criticized Maior for suggesting we vote to get rid of one group? That in itself is bias. So let me guess I am not bi-partisan but Maior is absolutely open minded. Yes all lets all vote to get rid of those bad bad Boni. YOU are being biased by not running all through the gauntlet. Frankly sir I do not hold you in high esteem based upon what you have expressed to me in the past. I don't need Maior to say something for me to have reservations. I have your posts on Yahoo and private. Enough said. Now hold her to the same level of criticism you've given me for bias or let your true colors show.


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Salvete Quirites,

The polls are now open for all centuries and all tribes. They will
remain open until midnight in Rome on Wednesday night (central European
time). If you have not yet voted, please vote.

Valete,

Gn. Equitius Marinus
Consul

Salve Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus who asked

"What makes you more qualified for the position you are seeking, or why will
you be the better person for the position?"


I believe that my political independence from ALL factions is a chief reason to elect me Praetor.

I also believe that a tradition journey along the Curso Honorum is one that best serves the interests of the Republic and by waiting and doing things in the proper order makes you a better magistrate than you would have been had you gone from say scribe to Consul. I was asked to stand for Consul this year but I know my limits and did not believe I was ready to serve as Consul. If some day I am honored to be elected Consul serving as Praetor will make me a better one.

I have served our Junior Consul as Quaestor ( last year) and as a Legate ( this year). I believe he has done an outstanding job and we work well together. I have both privately and publicly told him and other magistrates when I believe they are doing something wrong as well as doing something right. I try to get as much information as possible before I make a decision but I will act quickly when action is called for. I do not want ANY Nova Romans to leave just because they are not part of the "in faction". I believe that I have served in my previous offices with, honor and success and I await the judgment of the electorate to see if they agree.

I ask that the citizens of Nova Roman vote FOR me based on my record and the person I am and not against my opponents, one of whom will be my colleague and the other two will still be citizens of worth and accomplishment.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Independent Candidate for Praetor

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Salve Romans

I have read Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana post and have a few things to say.

I did not know the purpose of Nova Roman elections was to get "rid" of some people to use her phrase. I thought it was to put the best and the brightest to work for the Republic.

Electing some members from all factions means no factions can dominate Nova Roma

A Boni only or Librans/ Moderati only government will mean an exodus of GOOD people which we can not afford.

How is the Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana, a candidate for Tribune Plebis going to defend me a plebian citizen if she thinks I or any one else who disagrees with her or her "faction" should leave Nova Roma. She seems to be saying our way( Librans/ Moderati) or the highway?

I believe we should ask do we want to place the future of Nova Roma exclusively in the hand of any one political faction ( party, alliance , what ever they call themselves.)?
Don't get me wrong I have voted for SOME of these candidates as they are all hardworking citizens and will do a good job but

If the election were held today and all the candidates who are members of the Libra Alliance were to win their respective offices they would control Both Censors office, both Consuls and both Praetors, both Curule Aediles, one of two Aediles Plebs and perhaps a majority of the Tribunes of the Plebs. The Alliance has, according to their website, 14 members of which five are current Senators and it would increase to eight Senators if they elected their non Senator candidate Consul and both candidates for Praetor. After six months in office both their winning candidates for Curule Aedile could be elevated to the Senate bring the total to ten.

I have asked this question before:

Would you trust the Boni with all this power?

If not why would you trust any other faction with this much power?

If it is better to elect Librans/ Moderati because they are not Boni then it is even better to elect Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Praetor because he is not and never has been Boni or Librans/ Moderati, he has always been a true independent voice for reason.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Independent for Praetor

----- Original Message -----
From: Maior<mailto:rory12001@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 5:24 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Endorsements for Libra/Moderati Candidates



Salvete Quirites:
I wish to thank Censor Quintilianus for his endorsement of my
candidacy and that of my fellow Librans/Moderati:
Caius Curius Saturninus
D. Constantinus Fuscus
for Tribune of the Plebs

M. Constantinus Serapio
Plebian Aedile

Why in this election is it so important to elect Libra and Moderati
Candidates?
1. the Boni say there are defunct and many former Boni are
running as Independents.

2. If we elect former Boni, the 'defunct' Boni will spring back
to life and Drusus, Scaurus, Fabius Maximus and Diana Octavia will
all return and the ML will become the rude, bullying, obscene place
it was previously.

I ask all cives if you wish to rid Nova Roma of the Boni
vote for:

Franciscus Apulus Caesar & Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo
for Consules
Europe and the Americas accomplishing real life
achievements

M. Iulius Perusianus & L. Armininus Faustus for Praetors
praetors of character, scholarship, proven doers
Liberal

Bene Valete
Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana: candidate Tribune Plebis
Propraetrix Hiberniae
caput Officina Iuriis
et Investigatio CFQ




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Salva Maior -

You *are* aware that quite a few Libra and Moderati reside in North
America, aren't you?
Fond as I am of my friends "across the Pond", I'm not planning to
emigrate anytime soon....;-)

Vale
- S E M Troianus
Moderati Candidate for Quaestor
North American

On Dec 20, 2004, at 8:49 AM, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix wrote:

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> C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix M. Arminiae Maior Fabianae S.P.D.
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> Salve.
>
> Maior wrote:
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>> I would point out that the former Boni candidates consist solely
>> of North Americans; is this just?
>>
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> I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at here.... are you implying
> that we should or should not vote on a candidate on the basis of thier
> macronationality? Where a candidate calls his or her home should be
> completely irrelevant in our elections. Do we really want or need to
> bring macronational conflict into an already divided Nova Roma?
>
>>
>> vale
>> Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana
>> candidate for Tribune of the Plebs
>> Propraetrix Hiberniae
>> caput Officina Iuriis
>> et Investigatio CFQ
>> VOTE LIBRA/MODERATI !!
>> DEFEAT THE BONI
>>
>>
> Vale bene,
>
> C. Minucius Hadrianus Felix
> Pontifex
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> Vote for who they ARE, not where they are FROM.
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G. Equitius Cato quirites S.P.D.

Salvete omnes.

I'm cranky. I have a cold that's knocking me off my feet AND Nova
Eborica is full of people who could not find their way out of a paper
bag if you stood at the opening with a flare gun. So please excuse
the tone of this post.

This whole factional voting bloc thing is ridiculous. I don't care
whose side it comes from, it's ridiculous. The citizens of Nova Roma
are not idiots; they know whether or not they agree with any
candidate regardless of whether that candidate is Moderati, Boni, or
Mighty Moose Lodge of Greater Detroit. The People will speak, basing
their judgement on the words they have heard from the candidate, and
will judge them on whether or not that candidate truly represents how
they feel about Nova Roma. Good for them. Vox populi vox dei. So,
Romans, go --- speak, and speak freely.

This factional nonsense is, and should be treated as, white noise. A
distraction, nothing more.

Valete bene,

Cato
Cranky Candidate for Quaestor

Salve GJ Caesar Cornelianus -

1) I was castigating you for blaming all Libra and Moderati Candidates
because of one person's Post. I was addressing you for what you said,
not replying to Maior's Post.
II) I prefer to do my criticizing via private communications, and have
done so. Doing such things in public just makes a scene and makes
enemies.
III) I have *already* stated in my previous reply that I *DO NOT*
approve of running off segments of the population.
That includes the Boni as a group. My position on that is clear.
IV) You have condemned all Libra and Moderati Candidates on the basis
of what one person said. You are indulging in "guilt by association"
and encouraging others to do the same, and that is unjust. That was
the purpose of my previous reply, and you still have not addressed
this injustice.
V) I don't particularly care for you either - I find you abrasive: It
seems to me (though I could be wrong) that you often post just to stir
things up; nevertheless, you have a right to your opinion.
VI) This whole exchange has violated the peace of Saturnalia, and that
really annoys me. Please cease and desist.

Vale
- S E M Troianus

On Dec 20, 2004, at 12:48 PM, Gn. Julius Caesar Cornelianus wrote:

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> Oh come now Troianus. Before you go after me why don't you criticize
> Maior. She after all made the post which brought on the response.
> Don't accuse me of any bias without running everyone through the
> gauntlet. But why haven't you criticized Maior for suggesting we vote
> to get rid of one group? That in itself is bias. So let me guess I
> am not bi-partisan but Maior is absolutely open minded. Yes all lets
> all vote to get rid of those bad bad Boni. YOU are being biased by
> not running all through the gauntlet. Frankly sir I do not hold you
> in high esteem based upon what you have expressed to me in the past.
> I don't need Maior to say something for me to have reservations. I
> have your posts on Yahoo and private. Enough said. Now hold her to
> the same level of criticism you've given me for bias or let your true
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There is an important message on the Minucia-Tiberia weblist that
touches each of you. If you are not already members of the M-T weblist
you should join it, read the last message from your Gens paterfamilias
and then make your decision according to the choices provided therein.

Please Contact:

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Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens;
Paterfamiias -- Gens Minucia-Tiberia


Wishing you all the best, with Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Arminia Maior Fabiana Laenas spd:
Salve Laenas;
All right Gnaeus Iulius Caesar, Boni, had a big rant about the EU
and getting monies from them. Where were you?

Is a Boni a part of the Magna Mater Project?

Is a Boni a member of the Conventus?

Is a Boni asking Provincias Italia & Hispania how to develop real
life activities?

As praetor when Maximus libelled me & I asked you to moderate him;
you did nothing, .

If you were Consul, Fabius Maximus, Drusus, Diana Octavia would
all feel free to come back on to the ML with bullying, rude, obscene
behavior.
I don't hate anyone; but bullies must be defeated. You were the
one to join the Boni and associate yourself with these people, it is
entirely fair to judge you by the company you choose to keep.
bene vale
Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana*
candidate for Tribune Plebs

VOTE LIBRA/MODERATI: DEFEAT THE BONI!!

Fr. Apulus Caesar & Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo for Consules!
consuls that will accomplish real life achievements
Europe and the Americas working together

M. Iulius Perusianus & L. Arminius Faustus for Praetors!
character, scholarship, proven doers
Liberal


* every word, slogan is just my opinion and nobody else's;-)

Salve G. Equitius Cato who mentioned

"Mighty Moose Lodge of Greater Detroit"

Are you crazy?????

Now they will want to know our secret handshake and the color of our decoder rings. : )

If the Leaders find out about this they are going to put you on "Double Secret Probation"


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 1:13 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Cato Gets Cranky



G. Equitius Cato quirites S.P.D.

Salvete omnes.

I'm cranky. I have a cold that's knocking me off my feet AND Nova
Eborica is full of people who could not find their way out of a paper
bag if you stood at the opening with a flare gun. So please excuse
the tone of this post.

This whole factional voting bloc thing is ridiculous. I don't care
whose side it comes from, it's ridiculous. The citizens of Nova Roma
are not idiots; they know whether or not they agree with any
candidate regardless of whether that candidate is Moderati, Boni, or
Mighty Moose Lodge of Greater Detroit. The People will speak, basing
their judgement on the words they have heard from the candidate, and
will judge them on whether or not that candidate truly represents how
they feel about Nova Roma. Good for them. Vox populi vox dei. So,
Romans, go --- speak, and speak freely.

This factional nonsense is, and should be treated as, white noise. A
distraction, nothing more.

Valete bene,

Cato
Cranky Candidate for Quaestor




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Salve,

This is getting tiresome, but I have to respond to two points:

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@y...> wrote:
>
> As praetor when Maximus libelled me & I asked you to moderate him;
> you did nothing, .

Laenas: This is untrue. I ruled that moderation was not warranted
and informed my fellow Praetor so that he could take action if he
disagreed. I informed you of my decision and action, I also gave you
some insight into my feelings on moderation vs. free speech.
Apparently you feel my decision was influenced by Fabius Maximus'
membership in the Boni. I can assure you it was not, however, you
will believe what you choose to believe.



> If you were Consul, Fabius Maximus, Drusus, Diana Octavia would
> all feel free to come back on to the ML with bullying, rude, obscene
> behavior.


Laenas: I continue to fail to see how my being Consul would influence
the propensity of these people to post. I am Praetor and list
moderator now, and I do not see this happening. If fact, you yourself
posted about the improvement of this Main List and of inviting people
back. These folks are certainly as free now to post as they have ever
been.

Vale,

Laenas

Salve Ti. Galerius Paulinus -

You seem to have promoted two different views here:
First, you say vote for the best regardless of Faction or Independence.
I agree with this wholeheartedly.
Secondly, and of some concern, you suggest people vote for some members
of each faction to keep any one Faction from dominating Government.
You *seem* to be suggesting this as a matter of principle, regardless
of the merit of the Candidates, and if this is the case then I must
disagree.

What matters is that we get the best people in office. The best people
will do the best job. There *is* no risk if one Faction has the most
Magistrates: The duties are the duties, regardless of politics, and
what matters is that they get done; any legislation proposed - the main
area where politics might matter - can be voted down if it isn't to the
People's liking. No danger to the Republic there, either.

So, Please! Drop the factional bit and just urge people to vote for
the best Candidates. It doesn't matter what Faction they belong to:
The hard part this year is deciding *which* of these excellent
Candidates to vote for!

Vale bene
- S E M Troianus
Candidate for Quaestor

On Dec 20, 2004, at 1:19 AM, Stephen Gallagher wrote:

>
> Salve Romans
>
> I have read Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana post and have a few things to
> say.
>
> I did not know the purpose of Nova Roman elections was to get "rid" of
> some people to use her phrase. I thought it was to put the best and
> the brightest to work for the Republic.
>
> Electing some members from all factions means no factions can dominate
> Nova Roma
>
> A Boni only or Librans/ Moderati only government will mean an exodus
> of GOOD people which we can not afford.
>
> How is the Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana, a candidate for Tribune Plebis
> going to defend me a plebian citizen if she thinks I or any one else
> who disagrees with her or her "faction" should leave Nova Roma. She
> seems to be saying our way( Librans/ Moderati) or the highway?
>
> I believe we should ask do we want to place the future of Nova Roma
> exclusively in the hand of any one political faction ( party, alliance
> , what ever they call themselves.)?
> Don't get me wrong I have voted for SOME of these candidates as they
> are all hardworking citizens and will do a good job but
>
> If the election were held today and all the candidates who are members
> of the Libra Alliance were to win their respective offices they would
> control Both Censors office, both Consuls and both Praetors, both
> Curule Aediles, one of two Aediles Plebs and perhaps a majority of the
> Tribunes of the Plebs. The Alliance has, according to their website,
> 14 members of which five are current Senators and it would increase to
> eight Senators if they elected their non Senator candidate Consul and
> both candidates for Praetor. After six months in office both their
> winning candidates for Curule Aedile could be elevated to the Senate
> bring the total to ten.
>
> I have asked this question before:
>
> Would you trust the Boni with all this power?
>
> If not why would you trust any other faction with this much power?
>
> If it is better to elect Librans/ Moderati because they are not Boni
> then it is even better to elect Tiberius Galerius Paulinus Praetor
> because he is not and never has been Boni or Librans/ Moderati, he has
> always been a true independent voice for reason.
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Independent for Praetor
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Maior<mailto:rory12001@...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 5:24 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Endorsements for Libra/Moderati Candidates
>
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>
> Salvete Quirites:
> I wish to thank Censor Quintilianus for his endorsement of my
> candidacy and that of my fellow Librans/Moderati:
> Caius Curius Saturninus
> D. Constantinus Fuscus
> for Tribune of the Plebs
>
> M. Constantinus Serapio
> Plebian Aedile
>
> Why in this election is it so important to elect Libra and Moderati
> Candidates?
> 1. the Boni say there are defunct and many former Boni are
> running as Independents.
>
> 2. If we elect former Boni, the 'defunct' Boni will spring back
> to life and Drusus, Scaurus, Fabius Maximus and Diana Octavia will
> all return and the ML will become the rude, bullying, obscene place
> it was previously.
>
> I ask all cives if you wish to rid Nova Roma of the Boni
> vote for:
>
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar & Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo
> for Consules
> Europe and the Americas accomplishing real life
> achievements
>
> M. Iulius Perusianus & L. Armininus Faustus for Praetors
> praetors of character, scholarship, proven doers
> Liberal
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Amica Maior,

I have extended an olive branch to you recently, and still very much
want to work towards some common understanding with you as well as
becoming personally acquainted. I have no quarrel with you or your
beliefs, but something definately has to be said; I've observed the
progress of this list, and the others I am subscribed to, and held my
tongue, simply because I did not want to offend you.

But this is ridiculous. You're making yourself look almost like a
caricature. You make erroneous, leading, and unfounded statements
that have little or no basis in common sense. And I am not
criticising you for being "plainly spoken"; however you phrase
something, it does not change what you say in any significant way. I
simply don't see where you're coming from with all of this, and I
have read every post, and am subscibed to almost every NR-related
list. I am not a Bonus nor am I affiliated with them in any way, but
I can speak with some confidence in regards to them simply because I
have heard enough to actually form a realistic picture... unlike
yourself. Allow me to share part of what I have gathered with you.

The Boni do not, and NEVER have existed the way you see them. They
are simply NOT a unified group, though they have certain ideas in
common, none of which are the ones you have assigned to them. In
fact, they do not differ that much in comparison to the Libra
Alliance (at least, according to their website). As opposed to
saying "The Boni", if you had said: "The words and actions of Drusus,
Sulla, and sometimes Caesar, with Scarus and Maximus often in
agreement with them" then yes, I would be inclined to agree with you.
At times, these people even constituted a unified effort in
particular areas for a brief period. But this is a handful of the
Boni of whose existence I am aware of, and from what I understand,
they are not representative of the majority. A lot of what you are
perceiving are the words/actions of INDIVIDUALS, not the Boni as a
whole. I would truly like to know what it is that you fear or hate
about the Boni as a ___collective group___... because I'm sure that
you're making a lot of assumptions with no conclusive evidence to
back up these claims (the radical views of Scarus aside).

A lot of this seems to stem from spurious comments made (usually in
jest) by Boni, and mud slinging out of frustration on both sides of
the spectrum. People, for some reason, take these things very
seriously and run away with it, developing conspiracy theories and
the whole lot.

And I can vouch that neither Athanasius nor Metellus have anything to
do with the Boni, and are not trying to be a wedge for political
change to the "conservative" by any stretch of the imagination. I
know both of these individuals personally, on a "real life" level, to
borrow your phrase. In fact, from what I know of them, you would
probably consider many of their views "liberal". They both love Nova
Roma dearly. Dave (Athanasius) even hosted a provincial meeting on
the day his father died, because he was so dedicated to our republic
and encouraging community. When he talks about Nova Roma (which is
often and at great length ;-) ), he does so with a gleam in his eye
and a smile on his face. To say that they are any less qualified or
dedicated than any of the other fine candidates we have is simply
OUTRAGEOUS. Where they differ from you and some others is that they
advocate a stricter and more scholarly reconstruction in regards to
the Religio, and the preservation and protection of it thereof in all
the corresponding institutions.

Eclecticism is something that I also personally believe cannot enter
the arena of religious reconstructionism... or else it may all be for
naught. This is not advocating inflexibility at all; quite the
opposite. It just makes sure that things are done "right" and in an
efficient and historical manner. It's the only effective model of
reconstruction, according to those who have had success in
reconstructionism. It's also the only way we're going to get any
respect from many religio practitioners and people in the religious
community at large. Otherwise, in my opinion, one might as well go
off and found a "'Roman' coven". In that situation, one has liscense
to change what they wish with no regard to the Pax Deorum or Mos
Maiorum. Things take time, and change has to be done carefully.


Depsite the tone of this post, please believe that I do respect you.
I do not think of myself as partisan by any means, and do not wish to
align myself with any faction/alliance or the like at this time, for
the sake of neutrality... which I believe is what our magistrates and
the entire res publica truly needs in these crucial stages of our
development. To be honest, I hate this partisanship that has been so
prevalent in NR as of late, and I believe it to be extremely divisive
and inhibitory of TRUE progress. I would rather work WITH people in a
sincere and communicative manner than battling them in a political
arena. Some of this is honestly starting to seem more and morelike a
political simulation than an effort to encourage the rebirth of
classical culture throughout the world, as I once said to Cato.

What you are doing is not helping. I apologise for the
confrontational manner in which I said this, but it is only because I
think this has gone a bit too far. We are all adults here (so far as
I know), and we should start acting with the maturity expected, nay,
required of us in order to get anything done. I have voted Moderatii,
I have voted Libra, and I have voted for ex-Boni. And I feel
confident that if they are elected they will all do excellent work; I
voted for them on the merit of their work thus far and on the content
of their character, and nothing else. I ask that people do the same,
for those who still have yet to vote.

Vale et valete,
Lucius Modius Kaelus

VOTE YOUR CONSCIENCE FOR AN EFFECTIVE NOVA ROMA:
DEFEAT FACTIONALISM
<grin>

They're blue. It's not big secret.

Vale,
Lucius Modius Kaelus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:

> Salve G. Equitius Cato who mentioned
>
> "Mighty Moose Lodge of Greater Detroit"
>
> Are you crazy?????
>
> Now they will want to know our secret handshake and the color of

our decoder rings. : )

>
> If the Leaders find out about this they are going to put you

on "Double Secret Probation"

>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gaiusequitiuscato<mailto:mlcinnyc@y...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 1:13 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Cato Gets Cranky
>
>
>
> G. Equitius Cato quirites S.P.D.
>
> Salvete omnes.
>
> I'm cranky. I have a cold that's knocking me off my feet AND

Nova

> Eborica is full of people who could not find their way out of a

paper

> bag if you stood at the opening with a flare gun. So please

excuse

> the tone of this post.
>
> This whole factional voting bloc thing is ridiculous. I don't

care

> whose side it comes from, it's ridiculous. The citizens of Nova

Roma

> are not idiots; they know whether or not they agree with any
> candidate regardless of whether that candidate is Moderati, Boni,

or

> Mighty Moose Lodge of Greater Detroit. The People will speak,

basing

> their judgement on the words they have heard from the candidate,

and

> will judge them on whether or not that candidate truly represents

how

> they feel about Nova Roma. Good for them. Vox populi vox dei.

So,

> Romans, go --- speak, and speak freely.
>
> This factional nonsense is, and should be treated as, white

noise. A

> distraction, nothing more.
>
> Valete bene,
>
> Cato
> Cranky Candidate for Quaestor
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Since you wish to lecture me on bias I feel it is necessary to quote you (message #28680) "The real question is one of provocation...I only do it when provoked..." Well I feel I was "provoked" by Maior's post. But for bias here are a few examples for you to take in. I think we can extract enough from your own words from your while entertaining work "The Boni Lie..." it obviously reflects your open-mindedness:

"The Boni lie over the ocean
The Boni lie here by the sea
The Boni all lie on the Main List
Denounce every Boni you see"

Here's another charming stanza:

"The Boni in Roma Antiqua
Were known as the Optimates
But the Boni here in Nova Roma
Are an anti-social disease!"

and another:

"They wish Nova Roma were smaller
& That their thinking here will prevail
If you say you won't live with their squalor
They'll run you right out on a rail"

My my, such hostility.

"I am a woman of my word & no hypocrite. I hope to see you Diana
and the rest of the Boni over at the Peace List." (Maior, post #28707)

You make it seem as though you would like to cooperate with them/work with them but now you say you wish to "get rid" of the Boni. No hypycrite...ha

"I am an attorney I have particpated in many and I am a firm respector of those with differing opinions." (Maior, post #28783)

Yes respect others opinions but in the same breath advocating getting rid of a segment of the population. No very open are you?

Now Troianus, please reflect upon your own bias. Don't forget to laugh at and denounce the Boni now. Also please lecture Maior. Otherwise well you are being biased by accusing one of bias while not holding another to the same standard. Vale.

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The link in the original post is an e-mail address. The correct link
for the list is:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Gens_Minucia-Tiberius/

Vale,
Kaelus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, jmath669642reng@w... wrote:
> Gens-Mates of the Gens Minucia-Tiberia;
>
> There is an important message on the Minucia-Tiberia weblist that
> touches each of you. If you are not already members of the M-T
weblist
> you should join it, read the last message from your Gens
paterfamilias
> and then make your decision according to the choices provided
therein.
>
> Please Contact:
>
> Gens_Minucia-Tiberius@yahoogroups.com
>
> Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens;
> Paterfamiias -- Gens Minucia-Tiberia
>
>
> Wishing you all the best, with Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Salve Luci Modi,

>I do not think of myself as partisan by any means, and do not wish to
> align myself with any faction/alliance or the like at this time<

Too late!!! You are now a de facto Bonus!

If you ain't against us, you MUST be one of us. :-O.

Vale,

G. Popillius Laenas

So we should elect thwe Libra maior? Most of whom are from Europe. So what's the difference? If North Americans are elected or Europeans. You seem to really have a thing for Europeans. Do you mean to suggest North Americans are somehow inferior?

Though hadrianus is right when he says "Where a candidate calls his or her home should be completely irrelevant in our elections." Without actually explaining why it is relevant you go on an attack against the Boni. So since you are running for office what makes it relevent? How are you to serve the people who don't live in your macronational location? This is followed by your ongoing propping up of Europeans as if the people of the Americas are inferior. "We North American can learn from and should emulate as much as we can such terrific achievements!"

Quite frankly I find your past couple of posts rather aggravating and to the point of being offensive. I tend to agree "Posts like this only stir the pot and get people angry..." The were other fragments I would post but do not feel it is necessary to repeat them.

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HA HA HA !!!
Is that how they got you, Laenas?

- Troianus

On Dec 20, 2004, at 2:39 PM, gaiuspopilliuslaenas wrote:

>
>
> Salve Luci Modi,
>
>> I do not think of myself as partisan by any means, and do not wish to
>> align myself with any faction/alliance or the like at this time<
>
> Too late!!! You are now a de facto Bonus!
>
> If you ain't against us, you MUST be one of us. :-O.
>
> Vale,
>
> G. Popillius Laenas
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
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>
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Salve Gn. Julius Caesar Cornelianus -

On Dec 20, 2004, at 2:30 PM, Gn. Julius Caesar Cornelianus wrote:

> You make it seem as though you would like to cooperate with them/work
> with them but now you say you wish to "get rid" of the Boni.

I have said no such thing.
Again, you are attributing Maior's feelings to me with no basis in
anything I've posted.
Yes, I oppose what certain prominent Boni have stood for. No secret
there. However, there are other members such as Laenus who I find to
be quite reasonable.
I have also denounced the proposed removal of Drusus' Citizenship on
the grounds that the provision in the "Agreement" is extra-legal. So
your saying that *I* want to "get rid" of anyone is baseless.
Opposing certain Boni ring-leaders and wanting to "get rid" of people
are two very different things. I have, and do still oppose certain
proposals put forward by some Boni, I do *not* advocate "getting rid"
of any Citizen.
Get your facts straight.

Vale
- S E M Troianus

Salvete omnes,

Is there any way the administration can tell us how the voter turnout
is going? That always makes any election a little more interesting
and encourages those who are apathetic to get off their duffs and
vote incase the tide turns on their favourite candidates.


Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

"I was addressing you for what you said, not replying to Maior's Post."

--If you should castigate me for my post and what you said I approached with bias, perhaps you should give her a lashing too...after all I don't seem to be the only one she drew a reaction from.

"I was castigating you for blaming all Libra and Moderati Candidates because of one person's Post."

--Oh excuse me for have reservations about that political party...afterall the Moderati have called the boni in the past un-Roman so why don't the look in the mirror. It's alot easier to criticize than reflect on oneself.

"I prefer to do my criticizing via private communications, and have
done so. Doing such things in public just makes a scene and makes
enemies."

--Well I relied on all public posts I felt it was exceptable. secondly, this seems to be the forte of the left-wing so I hjave no problems giving it back. If I have enemies, well that's life, and it effects me none.

"I have *already* stated in my previous reply that I *DO NOT* approve of running off segments of the population."

--Well that's good. Then you are disassociating yourself from her what I consider extreme statements.

"You have condemned all Libra and Moderati Candidates on the basis of what one person said. You are indulging in "guilt by association" and encouraging others to do the same, and that is unjust."

--Nonsense. Offhand I can think of two Libra members that I can muster respect for. Both of whom I have found useful and helpful in that past. Whether I agrre with their politics is another issue. As far as I'm concerned unless the Moderati/Libra glob came forward and clearly stated they as a group have nothing to do with Maior and completely disassociate themselves from her the left-wing is one and the same. I never encouraged others to do so. My words are mine. I am not a propaganda machine for others nor do I promote any illegal activity or counter productive activity. I express my opinion plain and simple.

"you still have not addressed this injustice."

--If you wish to speak to me about what is just and un just then why not have those who continue to attack the Boni at every presented opportunity come and apologize. But what is just? Advocating getting rid of the Boni. That's a bit extreme and radical and far beyond anything I ever said.

"I don't particularly care for you either - I find you abrasive: It
seems to me (though I could be wrong) that you often post just to stir things up"

--Well that's a load off my chest. I am self sufficient and not dependent upon others. If I wanted to stir things up I would. There's plenty of juicy posts I could drag right back up but frankly its not worth it, and not worth the time and effort.

"This whole exchange has violated the peace of Saturnalia, and that
really annoys me."

--I'm sure others have too. Please tell them to "cease and desist" as well. Now I am done arguing with you because I find you to always be hostile in response. Buh-bye.


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AVE T IVLI SABINE

> - Sabina Maxima
> - Gaius Prometheus Dacicus
> - Marcus Prometheus Decius Golia
> - Iulia Iulia Cytheris Aege
> - Gaius Marius Crassus
> - Primus Adrianus Traianus
> - Aemilia Claudia Tertia
> - Publius Curius Caesar

I made this research three years ago without a lot of succes. They
didn't join the old Nova Roma list, so I think they didn't join this
one either. I know for sure that Marcus Prometheus Decius Golia is
active. He sent a message on the Italian list two days ago.
You might try to contact them through the "send mail" option in
their profile at novaroma.org.
Hope it helps ;-)

OPTIME VALE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio

Salve Quinte Lani,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) wrote:

> Is there any way the administration can tell us how the voter turnout
> is going?

I can't tell you, because I don't have access to the numbers.
Furthermore, the law is pretty particular about what the Rogatores
report to me and to the populace in general. I'd want to review all of
the applicable laws very carefully before asking the Rogatores to report
on specific numbers.

If Chief Rogator Cordus is comfortable with posting such numbers, then I
wouldn't object. He's quite the stickler for the law. But I will leave
that strictly up to him.

Vale,

-- Marinus

"I have said no such thing. Again, you are attributing Maior's feelings to me with no basis in anything I've posted."

--Ugghhhh...you failed to pick up my commentary AFTER the posted quotes. I never said you stated that. that is why I provided the post# with the person it is attributed to AFTER the quote. Please do not assume I am accusing YOU Troianus of saying those words.

"So your saying that *I* want to "get rid" of anyone is baseless."

--See above. You misread/or rather misunderstood my commentary. I am fully awre that YOU Troianus NEVER said those words.

"Get your facts straight."

--They are straight.

The only sections applicable to YOU specifically are the opening paragraph, the quotation of your umm charming poem, and the last paragraph starting with "Now Troianus..." Please read again.

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Salve Consul Marinus,

Thank you for your reply. I understand where you are coming from and
perhaps they could look into it for another time.


Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@c...> wrote:

> Salve Quinte Lani,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) wrote:
>
> > Is there any way the administration can tell us how the voter

turnout

> > is going?
>
> I can't tell you, because I don't have access to the numbers.
> Furthermore, the law is pretty particular about what the Rogatores
> report to me and to the populace in general. I'd want to review

all of

> the applicable laws very carefully before asking the Rogatores to

report

> on specific numbers.
>
> If Chief Rogator Cordus is comfortable with posting such numbers,

then I

> wouldn't object. He's quite the stickler for the law. But I will

leave

> that strictly up to him.
>
> Vale,
>
> -- Marinus

OSD G. Equitius Cato

Salve Modius Kaelus et salvete omnes.

Modius Kaelus, you are in SO MUCH TROUBLE...


Valete,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <xkaelusx@y...> wrote:
>
> They're blue. It's not big secret.
>
> Vale,
> Lucius Modius Kaelus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher"
<spqr753@m...>
> wrote:
> > Salve G. Equitius Cato who mentioned
> >
> > "Mighty Moose Lodge of Greater Detroit"
> >
> > Are you crazy?????
> >
> > Now they will want to know our secret handshake and the color of
> our decoder rings. : )
> >
> > If the Leaders find out about this they are going to put you
> on "Double Secret Probation"
> >
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> >
> >
> >

Whaaat? They were going to be changed to red anyw... crap.

-Kaelus ;-)

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "mlcinnyc" <mlcinnyc@y...> wrote:
>
> OSD G. Equitius Cato
>
> Salve Modius Kaelus et salvete omnes.
>
> Modius Kaelus, you are in SO MUCH TROUBLE...
>
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Dan" <xkaelusx@y...> wrote:
> >
> > They're blue. It's not big secret.
> >
> > Vale,
> > Lucius Modius Kaelus
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Gallagher"
> <spqr753@m...>
> > wrote:
> > > Salve G. Equitius Cato who mentioned
> > >
> > > "Mighty Moose Lodge of Greater Detroit"
> > >
> > > Are you crazy?????
> > >
> > > Now they will want to know our secret handshake and the color
of
> > our decoder rings. : )
> > >
> > > If the Leaders find out about this they are going to put you
> > on "Double Secret Probation"
> > >
> > >
> > > Vale
> > >
> > > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> > >
> > >
> > >

Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus M. Arminiae Maiori Candidatae Tribunatui
Plebis apud Quirites salutem dicit.

I have yet another question to ask you, to which I would like a
straightforward, clear answer. You continue to say that the Boni are out to
destroy Nova Roma. Show me, and the Quirites, in this forum, exactly what
proof you have of this, other than your personal vendetta against some of
the membership thereof. I await your answer, though I certainly will not
hold my breath.

Vale,

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
Plebeian Citizen

---

Salvete Caeso Fabi, Mani Constantine et omnes:

I second Caeso Fabius' appraisal of Manius Constantinus, having had
association with him here and there in NR for almost three years. We
are in for an entertaining 2005.

I am highly motivated to attend Next Years Conventus Europa in Rome;
it will be nice to meet the two of you, as well as others in person.

Hey, if you want help writing some 'beast war' scripts for upcoming
ludi, just let me know...we've had alot of fun with these things in
the past, haven't we? I remember a few bloopers, which I won't get
into here, but they made for a good laugh as well.

Valete,
Po


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Manius Constantinus Serapio"
<mcserapio@y...> wrote:

>
> AVE CAESO FABI QVINTILIANE
>
> > Aedilis Plebis
> >
> > Manius Constantinus Serapio,
> > the Propraetor of Italia is a personal friend and even if he is
> the
> > only candidate I feel that I have to say that he is a very
> compentent
> > person who will bring dignitas, panem et circenses to this

office.

> I
> > expect to see him climbing the Cursus Honorum and to achieve the
> top
> > positions within a few years. Good Luck!
>
> Thank you for you very kind words!
> Actually, it's quite useful to know in advance that I'm going to
> fill the position of Aedilis Plebis. In fact I already started
> working and preparing things for next year :-)
> My intention is to follow the same direction indicated by Lucius
> Arminius Faustus during his plebeian aedilship, i.e. definitely
> eliminating the idea that the plebeian aedilship doesn't deserve

the

> citizens' attention. You'll see what I'm preparing, and then we'll
> discuss this again! ;-)
>
> OPTIME VALE
> Manivs Constantinvs Serapio

M. Arminia Maior Fabiana Q. Caecilio Metello salutem dicit;
Salve Metelle;
Not at all! I say and stand by my statement that Fabius Maximus,
Drusus and Diana Octavia made the ML hell with their bullying,
insults and obscene remarks. They are all well known.

1. But if you desire ask Gaius Modius for a record of all the
insults Drusus hurled this summer to get himself (is it pending?)
stripped of his Senatorial rank and maybe his citizenship.

2. Fabius Maximus just recently called Cato a liar & ***** on the
Religio list. He questioned my and Strabo's sanity (legal libel)

3. Diana, well someone might have the number of the post she was
moderated for. It is too crude for me to report.

4. Gnaeus Iulius Caesar just had a rant against the EU...

5. Gaius Iulius Scaurus wants Consul Marinus declared 'sacer' and
thrown out for his acts.
He posted quite a few posts filled with obscenities and curses &
threatened Domitius Constantinus Fuscus with the treason and
blasphemy clause this summer.

Metelle aren't you holding your breath? I have answered quickly,
and specifically & factually every questioned you asked me.

If you wish to have every point documented you may help me do so.
You were the moderator this summer when Scaurus was posting.
bene vale
Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana
candidate for Tribune of the Plebs

Fr. Apulus Caesar & Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo for Consules!
consuls that will accomplish real world achievments

M. Iulius Perusianus & L. Arminius Faustus for Praetors!
character, scholarship, proven achievements
Liberal

>
>. I await your answer, though I certainly will not
> hold my breath.
>
> Vale,
>
> Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
> Plebeian Citizen

---P. Minucia Tiberia Quinto Caecilio Metello Postumiano S.P.D.

Salve

You had posted questions yesterday to some candidates, including the
consular candidates to wit: "What makes you more qualified for the
position you are seeking?" and "Why will you be the better person
for the position?". I was working last night and so I'm a bit tardy
answering you.

In my case I did not state at any point that I was 'more qualified'
or 'better' than the other three consular candidates, and its for a
very good reason that I did not make such an assertion. That is the
job of the voters. :) I can present a statement of candidacy, a
platform/agenda, list my experience, answer questions, but the final
rubber stamp on who is 'better and best' of the four of us, is the
Comitia Centuriata.

Actually, in message 30998, I indicated that Minucia-Tiberia, Modius
and Laenus each 'have their moments' as far as attributes, and I
then stated that the most qualified and deserving for the honour of
Senior Consul would be Franciscus Apulus Caesar, and why.

I have forwarded my Declaration of Candidacy below made Nov. 30 for
you and others; this statement cites my platform and my experience,
the evaluation of which, in part, is your job :) If you have
questions on a given issue, please write to the ML or email me
privately, and I'd be pleased to talk things over further with you.

Also, my website is
http://www.geocities.com/pompeia_minucia_tiberia/PoforConsul.html

I hope this helps clarify my position, Quinte Caecili.

Vale bene





In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "P. Minucia Tiberia"
<pompeia_minucia_tiberia@y...> wrote:
P. Minucia Tiberia Strabo Senatus Populesque Novae Romae S.P.D.

I come before you donned in white stola, in reverence and humility,
to announce that I shall candidate for the position of Consul Novae
Romae 2758 A.U.C.

I have been a citizen of Nova Roma since Ian 2753. I have had an
affinity for the Roman culture since I was about 9 years of age. I
have held various scribal positions here in Nova Roma, accensi
positions, sodalitates positions, some of which I still hold today.
Currently I am Scriba to Curule Aedile Marcus Iulius Perusianus, who
is custodian of the Magna Mater Project. I am a former Praetor.
Macronationally, I am a Registered Nurse, amateur historian, wife,
and mother of two sons.

Quirites, our republic is hurting. We have been deeply fissured by
social and religious misunderstandings, conflicts arising from
disturbing constitutional and legal applications and decisions. Oh,
some of this is to be expected from time to time, given our
diversity, but I believe that much of this can be avoided and truly
needs to be. And indeed, there are those who instigate and
propogate these states of bitterness for their own political
agendae. And who gets hurt? Nova Roma, her provinciae and her
composite citizens. On our present course, we will neither fly nor
float; we will gut and crack in the middle. We have lost many more
citizens than necessary..including some devout practitioners of the
Religio Romana. Have they given up on their faith? No. They are
practicing it elsewhere....Why have they felt the need to move on?
The reasons vary. Oh, we can point fingers and name names. No.
Let's not. Let's make a decision to move on and brainstorm some
workable solutions
for the future, shall we?

I think the greatest offering of Nova Roma to the Gods of Rome, and
to our own private divinities for that matter, is to say with all
humility........'No, we don't have all the answers, but we want to
do the best we can. Help us to sift out the 'must haves' from
the 'would likes' in the building of the Pax Deorum and Mos Maiorum
and go from there. Help us to be wise in the determination of what
we can and cannot do as mortals, and assist us to avoid hubris, as
the stones of Delphi teach".

I often think that in our quest to adapt as much historical
precedent into our reconstruction efforts, we have innocently jumped
on a tightrope of sorts...one little mistake in footing and we'll
fall off. Well, of course we will! We are human, and we need a
continuum, not a tightrope. Let us cut ourselves a little bit of
slack, allowing for the appropriate handling of some of our
current circumstances, the uniqueness of which the ancients did not
have to worry about, and circumstances on which the Gods were never
asked for a ruling in antiqua. Let us have the confidence the
ancients posessed.

It is time to start reflecting on a cup that is half 'full', not
half 'empty'. It is time to start appreciating our commonality. It
is time to be eachother's 'friends'. It is time to enjoy the
company of one another. It is time to have FUN :) We will not
flourish in a state of disunity. It is time to view things from all
perpectives...as with the vision of Ianus.


In facilitation of the above, I would like the opportunity next
year to:

...Continue support of the Magna Mater project, Academia Thule, and
the promotion of Nova Roma through Sodalitas Militarium, Sodalitas
Egressus and New Roman List efforts such as the Go Roman!
initiatives.

...Revise the constitutional language, starting with the core areas
of concern and moving to the less consequential areas. I am
concerned when areas within the constitution conflict with other
areas of the constitution ....the language regarding the Rights of
Citizens need some work, in my opinion. Some passages are
superfluous and/or impracticable, no disrespect intended, really. We
rely heavily on this document, and I don't think we collectively
realized how important its language truly is until this year. We
have had one citizen questionably, yet effectively, declared guilty
in perpetuity without trial, and also, we've entertained a legal
dilemna on the constitutional appropriateness of a recent lex
promulgation...Well, the constitution addresses the issue as I read
it, in four places, which lack harmony.

This constitutional rework has been initiated by our Current Consul
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus, and I would like the opportunity to gather
the necessary assistance to facilitate its completion. I lean toward
a rigid constitutional model until we grow a few roots in the
developing of our own Mos Maiorum... although, I am willing to
entertain advice and arguments to the contrary, and I acknowledge
that the Senate and Comitiae will be the ones to ultimately
rubberstamp these reforms.

I see the need to atleast look at the prospect of a Constitutional
Court to help us with legal decisions in a dilemna where all other
courses of the legislative process have failed us. I would not want
this to be used frequently by any means, and I do believe that if we
rewrite our highest ruling document, the need for such a court will
be rare.

I would also like to:

....Improve the communication environment on the mainlist. I will
support the Praetores' imperium to maintain civil discourse while
allowing for the greatest elacrity of freedom of speech.

....Expand on the recent and excellent example of Censor L.
Cornelius Sulla Felix via amendment to the pertinent Leges
Saliciae. I am in total agreement with him that citizens should be
responsible for their actions, not only on the mainlist,
but 'anywhere'..... be it on the street in front of a crowd of
listeners, or on other mailing lists such as the Back Alley.
Especially magistrates who have taken oaths of office. Is it not
rather inappropriate that one should say something about another,
which is *afuzz* with virtue on the mainlist, then go into a back
alley atmosphere and slander that same citizen? Ex officium or in
abstentio. It doesn't matter. Legal accountability, to me, is the
only way we are going to put a stop to those who use such lists for
personal spite and political looting.

I offer my help in working on an appropriately balanced relationship
between the Collegium Pontificium and the populus. How am I (or we)
going to do this? We have discussed several concerns and options
this year on various lists, and I don't want to commit to anything
without first discussing matters with the Pontifex Maximus and the
other Pontiffs. There are differing opinions as to the role of the
CP, the qualifications for Pontifices, and the CP internally seems
rather divided in nature. I will not promise any major milestones,
but I am quite sure that some headway can be gained in this area. I
have faith that most of the Pontiffs will atleast talk about some
key concerns. The Pontifex Maximus, however, is the laison between
the people and the CP, and his protection and wellbeing, to me, is
not merely an internal affair exclusive to the CP. He is the
peoples' business as well, and I think it behooves us to place his
role and official status under legislative protection.
Again, I am willing the listen to the concerns of the Pontiffs,
other religious officials, and citizens.

These are what I target as key problems, and my suggested remedies.
I respectfully ask for your support in the forthcoming elections. I
promise Nova Roma an unresigned term of hard work, accountability
and honesty.

Bene valete..........






















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