Salvete omnes,

I see postings did not appear for the last several hours though I
sent some as well. We may get a big barrage of delayed messages by
morning.

Regards,

QLP

Salvete, quirites.

I would like to take this moment to thank all who endorsed me, and all
who have voted for me in these elections. I feel privileged to have
received the open support of so many citizens, and even should I not be
elected for the position, I feel this election has been most awarding
for the res publica and myself.

Only positive endorsements, at least in the race for Curule Aedile, with
most acknowledging the skills of not two but all three candidates. No
matter who wins, even if I hope one will be me, Nova Roma is sure to
gain two excellent magistrates.

Oh, and IO SATURNALIA!

Valete, Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus.

Salve Gai Iuli,

It's good to see your scholarly presence return to our forum.

Gregory Rose wrote:

> G. Iulius Scaurus Gn. Equitio Marino salutem dicit.
>
> Salve, Marine.
>
>
>>>If Strabo was truely
>>>Roman, she would restart the cursus as Quaestor and rework herself up.
>>
>>Name one Roman who did that.
>
>
> P. Furius Scaevola and Gn. Servilius Calvus, 69 BCE. Both were among
> the sixty-four senators appointed by Sulla who were removed from the
> Senate rolls by the censores in 70 BCE. Both Scaevola and Calvus
> stood for quaestor the following year and returned to the Senate.
> These are only the first two examples of the phenomenon which come to
> mind. It wasn't altogether that unusual a recourse for senatores who
> had been removed from the Senate, particularly when their removal was
> a function of not having the requisite economic status, to return by
> election to the quaestorship in following years.

Interesting. Thank you. Perhaps if we made election to the
Quaestorship the key to Nova Roma's Senate, we would see more interest
in the office.

What I gather from this is that people re-started the Cursus when they
had to in order to accomplish something like a return to the Senate.
Right? Do we know of any case where a person who had been Praetor later
ran for Quaestor? The closest that I can think of mind is M. Vipsanius
Agrippa standing for Curule Aedile after he'd already held much higher
offices.

Vale,

-- Marinus

Salve Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Thank you for the article. I appreciate you taking the time to share that with us on this list.
As for the person who wrote the rebuttal, I have to thank him for the good laugh. If a man's remains are found with weaponry, we naturally assume he was a warrior, but if a woman's remains are found with weaponry, we must first substantiate the theory that she might have possibly been a warrior? All I have to say to this misguided fellow is "Don't look now, sir, but your sexism is showing."
And as for the comment of why it was not mentioned by more Roman writers? It may well have been commented upon, but not all that was written survives to this day, and those comments may have been lost to us over the centuries. Thank goodness there are gravesites still intact, more or less, that can give us clues to all that went on in the Roman world, the knowledge of which is no longer saved in the written word.

Vale

Maxima Valeria Messallina


"Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@...> wrote:

Salvete omnes,

Here is an article on this with a pretty good rebuttle from a fellow
on the IR2 list where there was some discussion.




Women warriors from Amazon fought for Britain's Roman army


BY LEWIS SMITH

THE remains of two Amazon warriors serving with the Roman army in
Britain have been discovered in a cemetery that has astonished
archaeologists. Women soldiers were previously unknown in the Roman
army in Britain and the find at Brougham in Cumbria will force a
reappraisal of their role in 3rd-century society. The women are
thought to have come from the Danube region of Eastern Europe, which
was where the Ancient Greeks said the fearsome Amazon warriors could
be found.

The women, believed to have died some time between AD220 and 300,
were burnt on pyres upon which were placed their horses and military
equipment. The remains were uncovered in the 1960s but full-scale
analysis and identification has been possible only since 2000 with
technological advances. The soldiers are believed to have been part
of the numerii, a Roman irregular unit, which would have been
attached to a legion serving in Britain. Other finds show that their
unit originated from the Danubian provinces of Noricum, Pannonia and
Ilyria which now form parts of Austria, Hungary and the former
Yugoslavia. Hilary Cool, the director of Barbican Research
Associates, which specialises in post- excavation archaeological
analysis, said that the remains were the most intriguing aspects of a
site that is changing our understanding of Roman burial rites. "It
seems highly probable that we have a unit raised in the Danubian
lands and transferred to Britain," she says in British
Archaeology. "Though the numerii are generally referred to as
irregular units, they are not thought of as having women among their
ranks. However, the unit came from the area where the Ancient Greeks
placed the origin of women warriors called Amazons. Could the numerii
be even more irregular than anyone has ever dreamt?" The cemetery at
Brougham served a fort and the civilian settlement of Brocavum in the
3rd century and analysis of the remains of more than 180 people
showed that everybody's ashes were buried there. Archaeologists have
been able to determine the ages and gender of the dead and to build
up a detailed picture of Roman funerals in Brougham. One of the sets
of women warrior's remains were found with the burnt remnants of
animals. Bone veneer, used to decorate boxes, was also found
alongside evidence of a sword scabbard and red pottery. The
possessions suggest that she was of high status and her age has been
estimated at between 20 and 40 years old. The other woman, thought to
be between 21 and 45, was buried with a silver bowl, a sword
scabbard, bone veneer and ivory.






Rebuttle:



khakiberetman wrote:

>
> I've read this article in the newspaper but I have to say the

information
given

> leaves matters open to doubt. The archeologists found cremated

remains of

> women with those of horses and charred weaponry, and we must

conclude

> that they were amazons belonging to a numerus of foreign cavalry?
>
> I mean, where is the concrete proof that the remains were those of

women

> who actually rode and fought in battle alongside Roman troops?
>
> There are many reasons why horses and weaponry and actually several
> more utensils could have been cremated along with a dead woman.

Perhaps

> it was a traditional burial rite among the people who made up the

numerus

> but that does not substantiate the theory that this woman was also

a warrior.

>
> It is not unheard of that women could have taken part in fighting

among

> certain people fighting alongside the Romans, but I am a bit

surprised that
this

> bit would not be mentioned by more Roman writers, such as Vegetius,

who

> would have considered this an original curiosity worth a sentence.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@y...> wrote:
>
> Avete omnes;
> I don't have the url yet better if someone has access
to "British
> Archeology", but in today's (Dec. 22) "London Times" there is an
> article
> about a cemetary serving a Roman fort in Brougham, Cumbria C.E 220
> and 300 showing elaborate burials for women, their horses and their
> military equipment. The assumption is may have been part of the
> numerii, Roman irregulars.
> Their unit came from the Danube area of Noricum, Pannonia, yes
the
> home according to the Greeks of the Amazons!
> fascinating & wonderful
> bene vale
> M. Arminia Maior Fabiana




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Salve Quintus Lanius Paulinus

I just recently attended a big Winter Solstice ball in Roman dress,
which some of my sister Nova Romans helped me out with, on another
list. I was very pleased with all the wonderful comments I received,
but more surprising was all the interest as to what Nova Roma was,
why
I joined, etc. once I brought that up, using my Roman attire as a
segueway.
I think there are some subtle ways to advertise Nova Roma if one just
makes the effort. Even if you only attract one person to Nova Roma,
that's still one more new Nova Roman that we had before.
I like your ideas, especially placing books on ancient Rome on the
coffee table where guests can easily get to them. And if that doesn't
peak their interest, my large framed poster of Russell Crowe in his
gladiator outfit certainly always does, although in the case of my
female friends, they may be more interested in Russell than in Rome.
LOL

Bene vale

Maxima Valeria Messallina


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:

>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> I mentioned the other day on another list that I like advertising

NR

> in various subtle ways. I wear that NR Eagle ring as much as I

can,

> got a front licence plate with an eagle and SPRQ written under it

on

> my pickup truck. An ancient coin of Nero I had carefully mounted in
> gold oakleaf and wear it as a guy's necklace. When I have visitors

at

> home I'll sometimes include some ancient dishes from my several

Roman

> cookbooks, make some spiced or honey flavoured wines. There is a
> Pompeian sword and a Roman dagger hanging on the living room wall

and

> I sometimes leave colorful reference books on Ancient Rome on the
> coffee table. I have a little movie library that has movies like
> Gladiator and Ben Hur to documentaries like Rome In The 1st

Century.

> I show these to friends who are staying as guests for a spell. For
> those who like the soap operas, I find " I Claudius " fits their
> bills.
>
> I these ways I am subtley advertising Rome since these things draw
> people's attention and questions without them ever feeling I'm
> shoving things down their throats. I would like to hear from other
> Nova Romans who may have tried similar things.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus

>
> Salve Quinte Lani;

many thanks for researching and posting the article I was unable to
find!.

As Maxima Valeria Messallina points out, it is all about research
and not assumptions...
How many times when looking into women's nomenclature have I
read or heard "women did not have praenomen" well that was wrong,
specifically as Finnish specialists in onamastics have researched
this field.
And I made Caius Curius Saturninus lug the big heavy book from the
library in Helsinki! So the women now in NR thanks to Censor
Quintilianus's promise will have historical praenomen.

Since there were also female gladiators, gladiatrix (pl.
gladiatrices ?) that were either not extensively written about or
materials discussing them perserved I think that chap had better open
his mind to more possibilites than women sitting home during the
Empire weaving.....

Actually the remains of a gladiatrix Verecunda were found in London
bene vale
Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana
candidate for Tribune of the Plebs
Propraetrix Hiberniae
caput Officina Iuriis
et Investigatio CFQ

A. Apollónius Cordus C. Júlió Scauró Cn. Equitió
Marínó amícís omnibusque sal.

> > P. Furius Scaevola and Gn. Servilius Calvus, 69
> BCE. Both were among
> > the sixty-four senators appointed by Sulla who
> were removed from the
> > Senate rolls by the censores in 70 BCE. Both
> Scaevola and Calvus
> > stood for quaestor the following year and returned
> to the Senate.
> > These are only the first two examples of the
> phenomenon which come to
> > mind. It wasn't altogether that unusual a
> recourse for senatores who
> > had been removed from the Senate, particularly
> when their removal was
> > a function of not having the requisite economic
> status, to return by
> > election to the quaestorship in following years.
>
> Interesting. Thank you. Perhaps if we made
> election to the
> Quaestorship the key to Nova Roma's Senate, we would
> see more interest
> in the office.

Probably, but it would be reviving a Sullan reform,
and that's something to be wary of. Only in the last
two generations of the republic did the quaesúra carry
automatic adlection to the senate.

It's worth saying that these two fellows can of course
be interpreted as starting the cursus again, but they
can also be seen as trying to regain their seats in
the senate by running for the easiest office which
carried automatic adlection, and that's slightly
different. The only way to tell which is the more
correct interpretation would be to find some
pre-Sullan examples of people who were removed from
the senate and then stood for election to a
magistracy. If *they* stood for quaestor, then they
were indeed starting the cursus again from the bottom;
if they stood for praetor, however, then they were
taking the easiest available route back into the senate.





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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@y...> wrote:

>
>
> >
> > Salve Quinte Lani;
> many thanks for researching and posting the article I was unable

to

> find!.
>
> As Maxima Valeria Messallina points out, it is all about research
> and not assumptions...
> How many times when looking into women's nomenclature have I
> read or heard "women did not have praenomen" well that was wrong,
> specifically as Finnish specialists in onamastics have researched
> this field.
> And I made Caius Curius Saturninus lug the big heavy book from

the

> library in Helsinki! So the women now in NR thanks to Censor
> Quintilianus's promise will have historical praenomen.
>
> Since there were also female gladiators, gladiatrix (pl.
> gladiatrices ?) that were either not extensively written about or
> materials discussing them perserved I think that chap had better

open

> his mind to more possibilites than women sitting home during the
> Empire weaving.....
>
> Actually the remains of a gladiatrix Verecunda were found in London
> bene vale
> Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana
> candidate for Tribune of the Plebs
> Propraetrix Hiberniae
> caput Officina Iuriis
> et Investigatio CFQ

You got that right! That chap needs to wake up to what women's lives
were really like in the ancient Roman world and not some quaint old-
fashion version. Women have, historically, been the backbone of every
society and they didn't become that by just sitting around weaving
dainty doilies all day.
For starters, he can read "Gladiatrix: The True Story of History's
Unknown Warrior" by Amy Zoll. And then he can check out
www.gladiatrix.info, which lists Nova Roma in its Links page. And
that's just for starters old chap..........

Maxima Valeria Messallina

*Welcome to Nova Roma! Another Equitius! Woohoo! Where in Joizy
are you? I'm in Manhattan.*

I live in Southern Jersey, right across the Delaware River from
Philadelphia. Is it fairly cheaper to live up there in New Yawk
then it is to live here in Joisey?

Chris
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato"
<mlcinnyc@y...> wrote:

>
> G. Equitius Cato F. Equitio Martino salutem plurimam dicit (S.P.D.)
>
> Welcome to Nova Roma! Another Equitius! Woohoo! Where in Joizy
> are you? I'm in Manhattan.
>
> Vale bene,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <jojobean20@h...> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you for the welcome! Forgive me for my lack of Latin,
> though
> > I shall be learning it soon once the Holidays are over with and
> I've
> > got some time on my hands. I do seem to get the gist of some of
> the
> > Latin phrases used though. All I know is a little bit of Spanish
> > from school and mainly from my father who comes from Uruguay

South

> > America.
> >
> > *I suspect you're going
> > to be getting a note from Censor Quintilianus about your choice

of

> > praenomen, but I suppose some variation on F. Equitius Martinus
> will
> > work.*
> >
> > Well, if problems do arise, I'm willing to comply. I'm a very
> easy
> > person to deal with.
> >
> > *So are you more of a Les Paul kind of guy, or a Stratocaster

kind

> > of guy?*
> >
> > I'm a Les Paul Hollow Body kind of guy, though I wish I owned,

but

> > due to the price range....but the guitars have such a beautiful
> > sound to them. Get that nice Chuck Berryish/50's rock sound out
> of
> > them.
> >
> > Anyway, great to meet you. If I don't talk to any of you before
> the
> > holidays, Happy Holidays and Io Saturnalia.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > F. Equitius Martinus

Salvete omnes,

I sent another note on Women warriors but it seems lost in cyberspace
today. Anyone else having problems?

Regards,

QLP

Salve Quinte Lani,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) wrote:

>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> I sent another note on Women warriors but it seems lost in cyberspace
> today. Anyone else having problems?

Oh yeah. I'm sending this to both the list and your personal e-mail
address. What's coming in has been out of time sequence and has lots of
gaps. Obviously the Yahoo servers are FUBAR right now.

Vale,

-- Marinus

Salve Maxima Valeria et Marca Arminia Maior,

Thank you for your responses. To me, after finding the coffin of the
Gladiatrix there is no doubt in my mind that they had some tough lady
scrappers in Roman Britain. I would also think that if women had
played an important role in various Roman military situations their
deeds might have been conveniently left out by historians of the time.
For example, crtics of Julius Caesar's writings have always made the
point that a barbarian was a barbarian, more or less uncouth brutes
and he did not mention their technical abilities, skills in the arts,
advanced chariot technology, corduroy roads and all that good stuff.

Its seems typical that people clasp on to the beliefs and predjudices
of their times. Even a more modern senario over the last 100 years
were the advanced stoned walls and buildings of Zimbabwe. The later
die hard Victorians, Edwardians and social Darwinists could never
except that such a mastrepiece could ever have been built by people
one or two generations out of the jungle (in their opinions). They
went so far to try to prove that everyone from King Solomon to the
Egyptians must have built the city - ok, anyone but black.

Certainly as time goes on and myths are dispelled by better
technology we'll all be in for some great surprises and have to
rethink the social roles of our ancient ancestors.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@y...> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Salve Quinte Lani;
> many thanks for researching and posting the article I was unable
to
> find!.
>
> As Maxima Valeria Messallina points out, it is all about research
> and not assumptions...
> How many times when looking into women's nomenclature have I
> read or heard "women did not have praenomen" well that was wrong,
> specifically as Finnish specialists in onamastics have researched
> this field.
> And I made Caius Curius Saturninus lug the big heavy book from
the
> library in Helsinki! So the women now in NR thanks to Censor
> Quintilianus's promise will have historical praenomen.
>
> Since there were also female gladiators, gladiatrix (pl.
> gladiatrices ?) that were either not extensively written about or
> materials discussing them perserved I think that chap had better
open
> his mind to more possibilites than women sitting home during the
> Empire weaving.....
>
> Actually the remains of a gladiatrix Verecunda were found in London
> bene vale
> Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana
> candidate for Tribune of the Plebs
> Propraetrix Hiberniae
> caput Officina Iuriis
> et Investigatio CFQ

G. Equitius Cato F. Equitio Martino S.P.D.

Salve, Flavius Martinus.

Dunno. I left Joizy --- uh, Nova Caesaria --- when I was two. It
probably didn't cost much then :-)

Good, so you're close enough that if we plan an event in Nova
Eborica, you could hop on the train and come up?

Vale,

Cato

MAGNA MATER PROJECT BULLETIN DECEMBER 2757 A.U.C.

I O SATURNALIA NOVAE ROMAE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

_____________________________________________________________________________

I. MESSAGE FROM MARCUS IULIUS PERUSIANUS CURULIS AEDILIS 2757 A.U.C.

Quirites:

Here we are at the end of my aedileship, and as Chief of the Magna Mater Project, I think, hoping not to appear too presumptuous, that in this year myself and my Cohors have given more stability to this project and a well-defined path to follow from here and for several months to come.

So first off, my deepest gratitude to my Cohors, especially the Quaestores: Caius Curius Saturninus, Gaius Moravius Laureatus Amoricus, and Lucius Iulius Sulla. Many thanks also to Quintus Salix Cantaber, Marcia Arminia Maior Fabiana, Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo and the rest of the crew, wishing them all the best, and future opportunities for them to take on even greater responsibilities inside the government of NR. And in general, thanks to all of the members of the Magna Mater Advisory Lists who gave useful information and advice throughout the year.

Many of these nice people, and probably myself as well, will continue to be close to the Magna Mater Project somehow, and we can achieve the goals we've set, and/or other future opportunities the project will provide.

With the emanation of the VII Edictum of my Aedileship, Edictum Aedilicium VII Designato Collegio Magnae Matris, published yesterday, I'm trying to provide a formal and professional structure to the Magna Mater Project and a guideline for the near future:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/message/31562


It has been a full year!!! It is a pleasure to give you all the following link:

http://www.magnamaterproject.org

It is still under construction, but it's there and this domain is OURS, where starting next year we will have that center for promotion of the archaeological, historical and religious aspects of the Magna Mater, the places of the foundation of Rome and Romanitas.

To whomever is going to be leading the project next year, my best wishes.

Valete bene,
Marcus Iulius Perusianus Aedilis Curulis for the Year 2757 Ab Urb Condita

_______________________________________________________________________________


II. MAGNA MATER GENERAL PLAN


Listed below are the general goals being worked on to the achieve our overall objectives of the Magna Mater Project:

i. Official Website

And it *is* official!!!, as demonstrated by the above URL !! The Cohors is working on additional graphic designs, and we are currently discussing the design of an official logo to represent the project.



ii. Material to Promote This Project
....leaflets
....publications
....business cards
....DVD:
As we informed you in past bulletins, filming of portions of the content for the DVD has been accomplished in both Sauvo, Finland, and in Villadose, Italy, during the Mercato della Centuriazione . More content is going to be filmed in Rome in future. There are plans for a movie shoot in the Vallis Murcia, in the Forum Boarium and on the banks of the river Almo (nowadays only a little creek). The first version of the product is expected to be completed at the beginning of next year. Much has yet to be discussed with respect to the most desired distribution/marketing avenues, but we will keep you abreast of any new developments.

iii. A 6-month scholarship for a student of the University of Rome (est. 6,000 Euros)

iv. Multimedia CD ROM
There are three viable options:
a) simple CD of presentation of the Project (10-50 pictures, 5-20 text pages, 100-1000 copies)
b) generic content CD (100-200 pictures, 25-70 text pages, music and audio effects, 3-D animations, more than 1000 copies)
c) professional CD (cost would be higher than the above: pictures, some with reserved rights, 2 or 3 experts in the multimedia field)

__________________________________________________________________________


III. COHORS AEDILES WEBSITE


Please visit http://www.insulaumbra.com/aediles/perusianus for a detailed look at the work of the Cohors and the Magna Mater Project

__________________________________________________________________________


IV. UNIVERSITY OF ROME AND SOPRINTENDENZA COOPERATION


We shall keep you informed as to our progress in future meetings with University of Rome and Soprintendenza officials. As much of this collaboration is dependent on the establishment of our official website, efforts to develop the site have been our immediate priority in this regard.

__________________________________________________________________________


V. FINANCIAL STATUS AND FUNDRAISING


Our closing balance is $715.14 EUROS, accounting for monetary conversion rates to EUROS from USD and other currencies.

The Curulis Aedilis and the Cohors of the Magna Mater Project wishe to extend its deep appreciation to the Senate and those citizens who have supported us financially. Without your support, such a project would simply not happen. Many many thanks. And please remember no donation is too small, as donations add up and are used in very productive ways.

If you wish to help out with fundraising, here's another way. You can display the Magna Mater link on your website.

For information on how , please contact our Aedile Marcus Iulius Perusianus at
M_Iulius@...

__________________________________________________________________________


VI. PROMOTION OF THE MAGNA MATER PROJECT

Please visit the website of the Mateum of Cybel:
www.gallae.com

Due to the recent selection processes of the Pactum de Convento Novae Romae, the next European Rally of NR is to be held next summer in Rome, Italy! Of course, besides the rally being a great time, this is a perfect opportunity to provide a visual demonstration to visiting civites of what this project is really all about. Without a doubt, you can expect that a tour of the Palatine Hill and the Sanctuary of the Magna Mater will be on the agenda. And it is very likely, the Aedile reports, that special permission will be again obtained from the Soprintendenza Archaeologica del Palatino e Foro Romano to enter excavation areas normally restricted to visitors.

Why not set some money aside every pay starting 'this' pay, obtain your passport and plan to enjoy the company of your friends in Nova Roma next summer in the Eternal City? Further information will be posted on this event well in advance.



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G. Equitius Cato quirites S.P.D.

Salvete, omnes.

Factum est autem in diebus illis exiit edictum a Caesare Augusto ut
describeretur universus orbis; haec descriptio prima facta est
praeside Syriae Cyrino, et ibant omnes ut profiterentur singuli in
suam civitatem. Ascendit autem et Ioseph a Galilaea de civitate
Nazareth in Iudaeam civitatem David quae vocatur Bethlehem eo quod
esset de domo et familia David, ut profiteretur cum Maria desponsata
sibi uxore praegnate. Factum est autem cum essent ibi impleti sunt
dies ut pareret. Et peperit filium suum primogenitum et pannis eum
involvit et reclinavit eum in praesepio quia non erat eis locus in
diversorio. Et pastores erant in regione eadem vigilantes et
custodientes vigilias noctis supra gregem suum; et ecce angelus
Domini stetit iuxta illos et claritas Dei circumfulsit illos et
timuerunt timore magno. Et dixit illis angelus, "Nolite timere! Ecce
enim evangelizo vobis gaudium magnum quod erit omni populo; quia
natus est vobis hodie salvator qui est Christus Dominus in civitate
David; et hoc vobis signum invenietis infantem pannis involutum et
positum in praesepio." Et subito facta est cum angelo multitudo
militiae caelestis laudantium Deum et dicentium "Gloria in
altissimis Deo et in terra pax in hominibus bonae voluntatis."
- EDNJCSL 2:1-14 (Vulgate)

Felicem diem Natalem Christi, omnes cives!

Valete optime,

Cato

heres an idea. If youve paid taxes and have been
active for two years you get an SPQR ring. My ring
always attracts admirers and gives me a sense of
pride.
--- violetphearsen@...
<violetphearsen@...> wrote:

>
> Salve Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
> I just recently attended a big Winter Solstice ball

in Roman dress,

> which some of my sister Nova Romans helped me out

with, on another

> list. I was very pleased with all the wonderful

comments I received,

> but more surprising was all the interest as to what

Nova Roma was,

> why
> I joined, etc. once I brought that up, using my

Roman attire as a

> segueway.
> I think there are some subtle ways to advertise Nova

Roma if one just

> makes the effort. Even if you only attract one

person to Nova Roma,

> that's still one more new Nova Roman that we had

before.

> I like your ideas, especially placing books on

ancient Rome on the

> coffee table where guests can easily get to them.

And if that doesn't

> peak their interest, my large framed poster of

Russell Crowe in his

> gladiator outfit certainly always does, although in

the case of my

> female friends, they may be more interested in

Russell than in Rome.

> LOL
>
> Bene vale
>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius

Paulinus (Michael

> Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete omnes,
> >
> > I mentioned the other day on another list that I

like advertising

> NR
> > in various subtle ways. I wear that NR Eagle ring

as much as I

> can,
> > got a front licence plate with an eagle and SPRQ

written under it

> on
> > my pickup truck. An ancient coin of Nero I had

carefully mounted in

> > gold oakleaf and wear it as a guy's necklace. When

I have visitors

> at
> > home I'll sometimes include some ancient dishes

from my several

> Roman
> > cookbooks, make some spiced or honey flavoured

wines. There is a

> > Pompeian sword and a Roman dagger hanging on the

living room wall

> and
> > I sometimes leave colorful reference books on

Ancient Rome on the

> > coffee table. I have a little movie library that

has movies like

> > Gladiator and Ben Hur to documentaries like Rome

In The 1st

> Century.
> > I show these to friends who are staying as guests

for a spell. For

> > those who like the soap operas, I find " I

Claudius " fits their

> > bills.
> >
> > I these ways I am subtley advertising Rome since

these things draw

> > people's attention and questions without them ever

feeling I'm

> > shoving things down their throats. I would like to

hear from other

> > Nova Romans who may have tried similar things.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
>
>

=====
S P Q R

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Vale
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On Dec 24, 2004, at 4:51 PM, Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)
wrote:

>
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> I sent another note on Women warriors but it seems lost in cyberspace
> today. Anyone else having problems?
>
> Regards,
>
> QLP
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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I am getting mail returned as undeliverable from a couple of addresses
served by censors@....

I had sent them an emancipation request earlier this month and didn't
receive a reply. I thought nothing of it because I figured they were
crazy-busy with end-of-year work. Now, though, I begin to wonder if
they ever got my original letter.

If I need to resend, could someone please let me know?

Renata Corva

Salve Honoirable Renata Corva!

At the moment I am not sure either, but this will do. The Scriba
responsible for this will take care of it rest assured.

>I am getting mail returned as undeliverable from a couple of addresses
>served by censors@....
>
>I had sent them an emancipation request earlier this month and didn't
>receive a reply. I thought nothing of it because I figured they were
>crazy-busy with end-of-year work. Now, though, I begin to wonder if
>they ever got my original letter.
>
>If I need to resend, could someone please let me know?
>
>Renata Corva

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Titus,

congratulations on your election! I never knew who you were until I
read your declaration (due to my unfortunate inactivity), but I felt
you would make a great Aedilis Curulus. May the Gods smile upon you
and grant you wisdom!


Ave atque vale

Iustinus Arcanus Latomus

its the Gremlins- You twits! Bright light, bright
light!
--- hermeticagnosis@...
<hermeticagnosis@...> wrote:

> Salve QLP -
>
> Yes, Yahoo appears to be on its second day of

wonkiness. I don't

> expect it to get significantly better anytime soon.
>
> Vale
> - Troianus
> On Dec 24, 2004, at 4:51 PM, Quintus Lanius Paulinus

(Michael Kelly)

> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Salvete omnes,
> >
> > I sent another note on Women warriors but it seems

lost in cyberspace

> > today. Anyone else having problems?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > QLP
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

=====
S P Q R

Fidelis Ad Mortem.

Marcvs Flavivs Fides
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> Salve QLP -
>
> Yes, Yahoo appears to be on its second day of wonkiness. I don't
> expect it to get significantly better anytime soon.
>
> Vale
> - Troianus

KAELUS: Salve, Troi. I haven't had too many problems with it, though
from what you guys are experiencing, I should problably expect some.
I DID however have a problem with the ForTheMuses list: My post
showed up over a WEEK late. Is that typical for anyone else who posts
to that list?

Vale,
Kaelus

Hey I watched the same thing that night. Since I'm avid robotics
hobbyist, it was interesting to see an ancient incarnation of
automatons. And his use of ancient hydraulics was pretty awesome
too. I love stuff like that. Good see someone else watches these
types of shows. All this reality, sitcoms and so forth on
television really doesn't cut it for me. My time on TV is either
spent on the Sci-Fi Channel, History Channel, Discovery Channel,
Animal Planet or the Science Channel.

Chris
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Chantal Gaudiano <aerdensrw@y...>
wrote:

> I was watching Modern Marvels last night on the History Channel,

and

> they were doing a show about Heron, an Alexandrian engineer who
> invented al sorts of Neat Things--temple doors which could open
> 'automatically,' a coin-operated holy water vending machine, an
> automatically refilling water basin, and a special effects set-up

for a

> theater. All of this was very, very neat stuff. I've decided to

put

> his books Catroptica nd Pneumatica on my personal reading list. He
> even invented a steam engine, but it was only ever used as a toy.
> *shakes head* This guy was the da Vinci of his time. Very

fascinating

> show.
>
> Renata Corva
>
> =====
> Chantal
> Chantal's LiveJournal
> http://aerden.livejournal.com
> "Yesterday, it worked.
> Today, it is not working.
> Windows is like that."

Marinus,

gratia tibi!


Iustinus

Salve -

Should I shine the light directly on the computer, or try to get
someone at Yahoo to switch on the lights there?
Should we warn Yahoo not to get them wet?

Vale
- Troi.

On Dec 24, 2004, at 9:45 PM, raymond fuentes wrote:

>
> its the Gremlins- You twits! Bright light, bright
> light!
> --- hermeticagnosis@...
> <hermeticagnosis@...> wrote:
>> Salve QLP -
>>
>> Yes, Yahoo appears to be on its second day of
> wonkiness. I don't
>> expect it to get significantly better anytime soon.
>>
>> Vale
>> - Troianus
>> On Dec 24, 2004, at 4:51 PM, Quintus Lanius Paulinus
> (Michael Kelly)
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Salvete omnes,
>>>
>>> I sent another note on Women warriors but it seems
> lost in cyberspace
>>> today. Anyone else having problems?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> QLP
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> =====
> S P Q R
>
> Fidelis Ad Mortem.
>
> Marcvs Flavivs Fides
> Roman Citizen
>
>
>
>
>
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> Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less.
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>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>

Salve Corva;
I'm in charge of legal issues involving emancipation at Censor
Quintilianus's officina.
Yes there was crazy amount of mail as we only have 1 Censor the
other has just disappeared, right in time for elections!
But Caeso Fabius has given me your emancipation letter and it is
filed and duly noted at the Censor's office.
So just cc your paterfamilas and it is done!
again my apologies for not attending to it sooner!Please just write
to me if you need any more help.
Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana
caput Officina Iuriis et
Investigatio CFQ

> If I need to resend, could someone please let me know?
>
> Renata Corva

Salve Kaelus -

If you only recently joined it, you might still be on "moderated"
status.
It's a fairly low traffic List, so it's possible the Moderator doesn't
check very often. The times I've posted there it went through promptly
enough - after I was no longer moderated, that is.
Where are you located? Those I know on the East Coast of the US have
been having massive Yahoo delays yesterday and today - it may just be
the servers in this area, though.

Vale
- Troi.

On Dec 24, 2004, at 9:50 PM, Dan wrote:

>
>
>> Salve QLP -
>>
>> Yes, Yahoo appears to be on its second day of wonkiness. I don't
>> expect it to get significantly better anytime soon.
>>
>> Vale
>> - Troianus
>
> KAELUS: Salve, Troi. I haven't had too many problems with it, though
> from what you guys are experiencing, I should problably expect some.
> I DID however have a problem with the ForTheMuses list: My post
> showed up over a WEEK late. Is that typical for anyone else who posts
> to that list?
>
> Vale,
> Kaelus
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Salve Chris -

On Dec 24, 2004, at 2:41 PM, Chris wrote:

> Sci-Fi Channel, History Channel, Discovery Channel,
> Animal Planet or the Science Channel.
>
Swap the Cartoon Network (Adult Swim) for Animal Planet and you've got
my own TV lineup!
Though I *do* wish the History Channel didn't play so fast and loose
with the facts at times. That's what happens when the "entertainment"
comes before the "History", alas.

Vale
- Troi.

P. Minucia Tiberia S.P.D.

I wish you all a joyous day and all the best for the future.

Equitius Cato, I enjoyed your post very much, by the way.

Bene valete

Salve Chris,

Yep, I watch those channels too in the oil patch. Fortunately I have
my own sat-tv on location. The main camps are different though; all
you here blaring out of the rec rooms is " The
Siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiimpsons or bad boys, bad boys, wacha goina do when
the come for you! Still rings in my head!

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Chris" <jojobean20@h...> wrote:
>
>
> Hey I watched the same thing that night. Since I'm avid robotics
> hobbyist, it was interesting to see an ancient incarnation of
> automatons. And his use of ancient hydraulics was pretty awesome
> too. I love stuff like that. Good see someone else watches these
> types of shows. All this reality, sitcoms and so forth on
> television really doesn't cut it for me. My time on TV is either
> spent on the Sci-Fi Channel, History Channel, Discovery Channel,
> Animal Planet or the Science Channel.
>
> Chris
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Chantal Gaudiano <aerdensrw@y...>
> wrote:
> > I was watching Modern Marvels last night on the History Channel,
> and
> > they were doing a show about Heron, an Alexandrian engineer who
> > invented al sorts of Neat Things--temple doors which could open
> > 'automatically,' a coin-operated holy water vending machine, an
> > automatically refilling water basin, and a special effects set-up
> for a
> > theater. All of this was very, very neat stuff. I've decided to
> put
> > his books Catroptica nd Pneumatica on my personal reading list.
He
> > even invented a steam engine, but it was only ever used as a toy.
> > *shakes head* This guy was the da Vinci of his time. Very
> fascinating
> > show.
> >
> > Renata Corva
> >
> > =====
> > Chantal
> > Chantal's LiveJournal
> > http://aerden.livejournal.com
> > "Yesterday, it worked.
> > Today, it is not working.
> > Windows is like that."

Salve Renata Corva,

Chantal Gaudiano wrote:

> I am getting mail returned as undeliverable from a couple of addresses
> served by censors@....

That's not good. Please re-send it using the webmail interface at
http://www.novaroma.org/contact.php

Just select "Censors" in the drop down menu there.

Vale,

-- Marinus

P. Minucia Tiberia S.P.D.

To those who embrace the mysteries of Sol Invictus, I hope your day
of celebration is spiritually meaningful and I wish you all the best
for the future.

Bene valete

ever notice how BATTLESTAR GALACTICA and STAR WARS
have blatantly Roman themes? Viper pilots wearing
sagum capes. The old Republic replaced by the Empire?
Neato
--- hermeticagnosis@...
<hermeticagnosis@...> wrote:

> Salve Chris -
> On Dec 24, 2004, at 2:41 PM, Chris wrote:
>
> > Sci-Fi Channel, History Channel, Discovery

Channel,

> > Animal Planet or the Science Channel.
> >
> Swap the Cartoon Network (Adult Swim) for Animal

Planet and you've got

> my own TV lineup!
> Though I *do* wish the History Channel didn't play

so fast and loose

> with the facts at times. That's what happens when

the "entertainment"

> comes before the "History", alas.
>
> Vale
> - Troi.
>

=====
S P Q R

Fidelis Ad Mortem.

Marcvs Flavivs Fides
Roman Citizen





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Salve, Troianus.

> If you only recently joined it, you might still be on "moderated"
> status.
> It's a fairly low traffic List, so it's possible the Moderator

doesn't

> check very often. The times I've posted there it went through

promptly

> enough - after I was no longer moderated, that is.
> Where are you located? Those I know on the East Coast of the US

have

> been having massive Yahoo delays yesterday and today - it may just

be

> the servers in this area, though.

KAELUS: I'm located in Lacus Magni; south-east Ohio, to be exact. And
I've been a member of the Musarum for quite some time. I'm not on
moderated status. That's what is so odd.

Vale,
Kaelus

Salvete,
If I am not incorrect Plutarch (ha ha) does mention Amazons in, I believe, the life of Pompey. I can't recall much of it but I believe it went something like they had fought in some battle (with or against the Romans, I don't know) but they found no bodies of women warriors on that battlefield. So there are ancient sources that bring up the issue. How credible they are remains to be seen.

Valete,
Valeria Metella
-----dies. Original Message -----
From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 12:30 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Woman warriors in the British Legions



Salve Maxima Valeria et Marca Arminia Maior,

Thank you for your responses. To me, after finding the coffin of the
Gladiatrix there is no doubt in my mind that they had some tough lady
scrappers in Roman Britain. I would also think that if women had
played an important role in various Roman military situations their
deeds might have been conveniently left out by historians of the time.
For example, crtics of Julius Caesar's writings have always made the
point that a barbarian was a barbarian, more or less uncouth brutes
and he did not mention their technical abilities, skills in the arts,
advanced chariot technology, corduroy roads and all that good stuff.

Its seems typical that people clasp on to the beliefs and predjudices
of their times. Even a more modern senario over the last 100 years
were the advanced stoned walls and buildings of Zimbabwe. The later
die hard Victorians, Edwardians and social Darwinists could never
except that such a mastrepiece could ever have been built by people
one or two generations out of the jungle (in their opinions). They
went so far to try to prove that everyone from King Solomon to the
Egyptians must have built the city - ok, anyone but black.

Certainly as time goes on and myths are dispelled by better
technology we'll all be in for some great surprises and have to
rethink the social roles of our ancient ancestors.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@y...> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Salve Quinte Lani;
> many thanks for researching and posting the article I was unable
to
> find!.
>
> As Maxima Valeria Messallina points out, it is all about research
> and not assumptions...
> How many times when looking into women's nomenclature have I
> read or heard "women did not have praenomen" well that was wrong,
> specifically as Finnish specialists in onamastics have researched
> this field.
> And I made Caius Curius Saturninus lug the big heavy book from
the
> library in Helsinki! So the women now in NR thanks to Censor
> Quintilianus's promise will have historical praenomen.
>
> Since there were also female gladiators, gladiatrix (pl.
> gladiatrices ?) that were either not extensively written about or
> materials discussing them perserved I think that chap had better
open
> his mind to more possibilites than women sitting home during the
> Empire weaving.....
>
> Actually the remains of a gladiatrix Verecunda were found in London
> bene vale
> Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana
> candidate for Tribune of the Plebs
> Propraetrix Hiberniae
> caput Officina Iuriis
> et Investigatio CFQ




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Salvete,
That's pretty much my line up too. Except I never watch the History Channel. All it ever shows are programs on nazi Germany and the wild west. Now History International, they show the good stuff. And they do it All Day Long.

"Enough talk. Let's kill humans." -Sealab 2021

Valete,
Valeria Metella

----- Original Message -----
From: Servius Equitius Mercurius Troianus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 11:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ancient Engineering Goodness


Salve Chris -
On Dec 24, 2004, at 2:41 PM, Chris wrote:

> Sci-Fi Channel, History Channel, Discovery Channel,
> Animal Planet or the Science Channel.
>
Swap the Cartoon Network (Adult Swim) for Animal Planet and you've got
my own TV lineup!
Though I *do* wish the History Channel didn't play so fast and loose
with the facts at times. That's what happens when the "entertainment"
comes before the "History", alas.

Vale
- Troi.


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SALVE OMNES !

I want to wish all Nova Roman citizens all the best in this days.
Happiness and prosperity !

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Salve Kaele,

Dan wrote:

> KAELUS: Salve, Troi. I haven't had too many problems with it, though
> from what you guys are experiencing, I should problably expect some.
> I DID however have a problem with the ForTheMuses list: My post
> showed up over a WEEK late. Is that typical for anyone else who posts
> to that list?

No. What happened with your post was that it was in the queue for
approval, and somehow Yahoo failed to send out the Moderate notice to
the moderators, informing us that it needed to be approved. Flavia
Tullia found it sitting in the queue when she went to check the mailing
list and do some maintenance on it a few days ago, and immediately
approved it.

-- Marinus

M. Arminia Maior Fabiana P. Minucae Tiberiae salutem dicit;
multas gratias tibi ago Po:)!
I celebrate the cultus of Sol Indiges (any Aureliani out there,
this is your cultus too!), and naturally Sol Invictus as well. I
think Faustus in Provincia Brasilia is celebrating a lot more
meaningfully on the beach!
Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana


:

>
> P. Minucia Tiberia S.P.D.
>
> To those who embrace the mysteries of Sol Invictus, I hope your day
> of celebration is spiritually meaningful and I wish you all the

best

> for the future.
>
> Bene valete

Merry Christmas to all our Christian cives!
Especially my good friends Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo, Domitius
Constantinus Fuscus, G. Equitius Cato & as well Popillius
Laenas,Lanius Paulinus, Galerius Paulinus and all others,
Venite Adoreamus Dominum!

Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_minucia_tiberia"
<pompeia_minucia_tiberia@y...> wrote:

>
> P. Minucia Tiberia S.P.D.
>
> I wish you all a joyous day and all the best for the future.
>
> Equitius Cato, I enjoyed your post very much, by the way.
>
> Bene valete

Salve, Marinus.

Yes, Flavia sent me an e-mail explaining the situation. I wasn't
aware that I was still on moderated status. It was one of the first
NR mailing lists that I joined.


Vale,
Kaelus

Salvete omnes,

Try the "Civilization Channel" - that carries a fair bit of ancient
themes. "Discovery" also has some good archeology shows.
Much as I am interested in WWII and Nazi Germany I feel that there is
too much time devoted to that on our "History Channel" in Canada as
well. I send them emails off and on to get more Greek, Roman and
Egyptian topics.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, <immaculo@b...> wrote:
> Salvete,
> That's pretty much my line up too. Except I never watch the
History Channel. All it ever shows are programs on nazi Germany and
the wild west. Now History International, they show the good stuff.
And they do it All Day Long.
>
> "Enough talk. Let's kill humans." -Sealab 2021
>
> Valete,
> Valeria Metella
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Servius Equitius Mercurius Troianus
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 11:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Ancient Engineering Goodness
>
>
> Salve Chris -
> On Dec 24, 2004, at 2:41 PM, Chris wrote:
>
> > Sci-Fi Channel, History Channel, Discovery Channel,
> > Animal Planet or the Science Channel.
> >
> Swap the Cartoon Network (Adult Swim) for Animal Planet and
you've got
> my own TV lineup!
> Though I *do* wish the History Channel didn't play so fast and
loose
> with the facts at times. That's what happens when
the "entertainment"
> comes before the "History", alas.
>
> Vale
> - Troi.
>
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Salvete omnes,

I want to wish each and every Nova Roman a happy holiday season! I
forgot to remind you all that during Saturnalia, I seem to remember
it was the custom for the owners to serve and cater to their
household slaves. Since we happily have no slaves (in their
classical sense) in our world today maybe we should try and be extra
nice to our co-workers, subordinates and especially our fellow Nova
Romans who may have vexed us at times.

I cannot consume sprirts where I am working now so please put a few
away for me over the next few days. There is a huge bottle of mead
awaiting for my return in a few days and I'll catch up then!

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@y...> wrote:

>
> Merry Christmas to all our Christian cives!
> Especially my good friends Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo, Domitius
> Constantinus Fuscus, G. Equitius Cato & as well Popillius
> Laenas,Lanius Paulinus, Galerius Paulinus and all others,
> Venite Adoreamus Dominum!
>
> Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana
>

Salve Marcae Arminiae,

Thank you very much (although I do not consider myself Christian, my
family is, and we celebrate Christmas)

Valete!

Laenas

Salve Quintus Lanius Paulinus !

First of all I want to salute you because is the first time when we talk.
Here in next Dacia Provincia I put away a bottle of wine for you. The wine is from a wellknown area- from ancient times- for her vineyard. There it was an important castrum in Dacia Malvensis, Castrum Rusidava. I will keep this bottle until we meet somewhere in this world, or if you want, I will send you enywhere.

OPTIME VALE
T IVL SABINVS
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"Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@...> wrote:

Salvete omnes,

I want to wish each and every Nova Roman a happy holiday season! I
forgot to remind you all that during Saturnalia, I seem to remember
it was the custom for the owners to serve and cater to their
household slaves. Since we happily have no slaves (in their
classical sense) in our world today maybe we should try and be extra
nice to our co-workers, subordinates and especially our fellow Nova
Romans who may have vexed us at times.

I cannot consume sprirts where I am working now so please put a few
away for me over the next few days. There is a huge bottle of mead
awaiting for my return in a few days and I'll catch up then!

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus




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Happy Holidays to each and every one of you, excluding none. I'll be
spending the day today with my immediate family at home in a quiet
Christmas celebration, and then tomorrow with my extended family with
all of the traditional Catholic trappings. I'm very close to all of
them, and I look forward to this time as I rarely see my brothers
nowadays.

Whether you'll be celebrating Saturnalia alone as I am, or with
others, I wish you all the best. And to everyone else a merry
Christmas, a joyous Chuanukah, a memorable Kwanzaa, a blessed Yule,
or simply good tidings this time of year.

Let's keep in mind that this is indeed a time to exercise equity,
justice, and human kindness... and I think this should definately be
reflected and observed in Nova Roma until the New Year. This is what
the Saturnalia is all about, and it's been carried since into
virtually every other religious and secular holiday [this time of
year] that's come after. So I think this is something we can all
truly appreciate and attempt to take to heart. :-)

For those of you who have sent me e-mails, I will respond as soon as
I can (I haven't forgotten to respond, Arminia Maior). Happy
holidays, everyone.

Valete,
Lucius Modius Kaelus

hey, if youre giving alcohol away Ill send my address
too! Do you have any Slivovitz you want to donate to a
thirsty veteran?
--- iulius_sabinus@...
<iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:

>
> Salve Quintus Lanius Paulinus !
>
> First of all I want to salute you because is the

first time when we talk.

> Here in next Dacia Provincia I put away a bottle of

wine for you. The wine is from a wellknown area- from
ancient times- for her vineyard. There it was an
important castrum in Dacia Malvensis, Castrum
Rusidava. I will keep this bottle until we meet
somewhere in this world, or if you want, I will send
you enywhere.

>
> OPTIME VALE
> T IVL SABINVS
> http/:ivlsabinvs.blogspot.com
>
>
> "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)"

<mjk@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> I want to wish each and every Nova Roman a happy

holiday season! I

> forgot to remind you all that during Saturnalia, I

seem to remember

> it was the custom for the owners to serve and cater

to their

> household slaves. Since we happily have no slaves

(in their

> classical sense) in our world today maybe we should

try and be extra

> nice to our co-workers, subordinates and especially

our fellow Nova

> Romans who may have vexed us at times.
>
> I cannot consume sprirts where I am working now so

please put a few

> away for me over the next few days. There is a huge

bottle of mead

> awaiting for my return in a few days and I'll catch

up then!

>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
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Salvete Omnes,

We thought maybe we would let the pets be in charge for Saturnalia, but
then....we realised that the pets are mostly in charge the rest of time, so it
would not make for much of a change. <g> Remember, the animals are always the
first to see gods, even the Christians thought so.

Io, Saturnalia!

V

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Does Kwanza really count? No one Ive met ever
celebrates it. Oh Well. Gods Bless The USA and our
troops. Ave, Nova Roma. Peace to all Quirites. You
too, Po!
--- xkaelusx@... <xkaelusx@...> wrote:

>
> Happy Holidays to each and every one of you,

excluding none. I'll be

> spending the day today with my immediate family at

home in a quiet

> Christmas celebration, and then tomorrow with my

extended family with

> all of the traditional Catholic trappings. I'm very

close to all of

> them, and I look forward to this time as I rarely

see my brothers

> nowadays.
>
> Whether you'll be celebrating Saturnalia alone as I

am, or with

> others, I wish you all the best. And to everyone

else a merry

> Christmas, a joyous Chuanukah, a memorable Kwanzaa,

a blessed Yule,

> or simply good tidings this time of year.
>
> Let's keep in mind that this is indeed a time to

exercise equity,

> justice, and human kindness... and I think this

should definately be

> reflected and observed in Nova Roma until the New

Year. This is what

> the Saturnalia is all about, and it's been carried

since into

> virtually every other religious and secular holiday

[this time of

> year] that's come after. So I think this is

something we can all

> truly appreciate and attempt to take to heart. :-)
>
> For those of you who have sent me e-mails, I will

respond as soon as

> I can (I haven't forgotten to respond, Arminia

Maior). Happy

> holidays, everyone.
>
> Valete,
> Lucius Modius Kaelus
>
>
>

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you can figure a way I can get it to you !:)

Or some Hungarian Chardonnay ...yum, yum...man that's good wine



Po


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, raymond fuentes <praefectus2324@y...>
wrote:

> hey, if youre giving alcohol away Ill send my address
> too! Do you have any Slivovitz you want to donate to a
> thirsty veteran?
> --- iulius_sabinus@y...
> <iulius_sabinus@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Quintus Lanius Paulinus !
> >
> > First of all I want to salute you because is the
> first time when we talk.
> > Here in next Dacia Provincia I put away a bottle of
> wine for you. The wine is from a wellknown area- from
> ancient times- for her vineyard. There it was an
> important castrum in Dacia Malvensis, Castrum
> Rusidava. I will keep this bottle until we meet
> somewhere in this world, or if you want, I will send
> you enywhere.
> >
> > OPTIME VALE
> > T IVL SABINVS
> > http/:ivlsabinvs.blogspot.com
> >
> >
> > "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)"
> <mjk@d...> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete omnes,
> >
> > I want to wish each and every Nova Roman a happy
> holiday season! I
> > forgot to remind you all that during Saturnalia, I
> seem to remember
> > it was the custom for the owners to serve and cater
> to their
> > household slaves. Since we happily have no slaves
> (in their
> > classical sense) in our world today maybe we should
> try and be extra
> > nice to our co-workers, subordinates and especially
> our fellow Nova
> > Romans who may have vexed us at times.
> >
> > I cannot consume sprirts where I am working now so
> please put a few
> > away for me over the next few days. There is a huge
> bottle of mead
> > awaiting for my return in a few days and I'll catch
> up then!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Quintus Lanius Paulinus
> >
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---I hear you:

*I* need the break...that bloody cat of ours thinks he owns the
place!

I guess that's why they say "Dogs have masters but Cats have 'staff'"
No lies told there.

Pompeia


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, walkyr@a... wrote:

> Salvete Omnes,
>
> We thought maybe we would let the pets be in charge for

Saturnalia, but

> then....we realised that the pets are mostly in charge the rest of

time, so it

> would not make for much of a change. <g> Remember, the animals

are always the

> first to see gods, even the Christians thought so.
>
> Io, Saturnalia!
>
> V
>
> I saw the Berlin Wall fall,
> I saw Mandela walk free.
> I saw a dream whose time had come
> Change my history.
>
> ~Johnny Clegg
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

G. Equitius Cato Q. Lanio Paulino quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve et salvete!

A very Merry Christmas, Good Yule, Channukah Tov, Mighty Sol
Invictus to all my fellow citizens! Hooray!

Now, Lanius Paulinus, old buddy old pal, where EXACTLY is that
bottle of mead? I mean, just in case your work takes longer than
you thought, you know, I was thinking <ahem> well, a shame to
waste a <ahem> perfectly good bottle <cough cough> if you got
delayed by traffic or something tra la la la la

<Cato whistles innocently>

Vale et valete,

Cato




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:

>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> I want to wish each and every Nova Roman a happy holiday season! I
> forgot to remind you all that during Saturnalia, I seem to

remember

> it was the custom for the owners to serve and cater to their
> household slaves. Since we happily have no slaves (in their
> classical sense) in our world today maybe we should try and be

extra

> nice to our co-workers, subordinates and especially our fellow

Nova

> Romans who may have vexed us at times.
>
> I cannot consume sprirts where I am working now so please put a

few

> away for me over the next few days. There is a huge bottle of mead
> awaiting for my return in a few days and I'll catch up then!
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Salvete Iuli Sabine et Cato,

It is great to meet you; I appreciate your offer and would love to
join you there for that bottle. Please keep it until I have the
opportunity to visit your area. I have friends and co-workers working
with me here from your area of Europe and we have great times
together!

Cato, a liquor store in my area carries that mead and I always keep a
bottle around the house in Edmonton. When either of you get to my
area, you shall certainly have it! I'll carry some to NY when I go
there also.

Thank you for your wishes!


Quintus Lanius Paulinus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, iulius sabinus
<iulius_sabinus@y...> wrote:

>
> Salve Quintus Lanius Paulinus !
>
> First of all I want to salute you because is the first time when we

talk.

> Here in next Dacia Provincia I put away a bottle of wine for you.

The wine is from a wellknown area- from ancient times- for her
vineyard. There it was an important castrum in Dacia Malvensis,
Castrum Rusidava. I will keep this bottle until we meet somewhere in
this world, or if you want, I will send you enywhere.

>
> OPTIME VALE
> T IVL SABINVS
> http/:ivlsabinvs.blogspot.com
>
>
> "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> I want to wish each and every Nova Roman a happy holiday season! I
> forgot to remind you all that during Saturnalia, I seem to remember
> it was the custom for the owners to serve and cater to their
> household slaves. Since we happily have no slaves (in their
> classical sense) in our world today maybe we should try and be

extra

> nice to our co-workers, subordinates and especially our fellow Nova
> Romans who may have vexed us at times.
>
> I cannot consume sprirts where I am working now so please put a few
> away for me over the next few days. There is a huge bottle of mead
> awaiting for my return in a few days and I'll catch up then!
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
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Let's not get too virulent in our replies.

The "Gladiatrix" is still being researched. We cannot make
assumptions -- either way! -- the she was or was not a gladiatrix.

I would be thrilled if she proves out to be one, like Amazonia and
Achilla, but I am certainly not going to make the same type of
mistakes as the Victorians did!

So, let's not assume that people are "closeminded" or "sexist"
because they doubt the conclusions someone has leapt to before the
research is completed -- especially with items from a dig completed
decades ago and where we cannot investigate items in context.

The women's remains found in the dig may be auxilary soldiers. They
may not.

Let's wait for the full research to be done before we get too excited
either way. A Misrepresentation of the Truth, no matter how desired
or deserved, does no good to any of us.

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All that things maybe will be possible when in our next province we will organize a rally...Who knows ?
In this days, for me, the distances was reduced, the oceans was drain, and in my soul, you, all, are with me.
All the best !

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---Salvete Maior et Salvete Omnes:

Thanks for your good wishes. It is good to see everyone wishing one
another well and having a few laughs here and there to boot.

Here's hoping for more days like this in the future.

Valete
Po


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@y...> wrote:

>
> Merry Christmas to all our Christian cives!
> Especially my good friends Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo,

Domitius

> Constantinus Fuscus, G. Equitius Cato & as well Popillius
> Laenas,Lanius Paulinus, Galerius Paulinus and all others,
> Venite Adoreamus Dominum!
>
> Marca Arminia Maior Fabiana
>
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_minucia_tiberia"
> <pompeia_minucia_tiberia@y...> wrote:
> >
> > P. Minucia Tiberia S.P.D.
> >
> > I wish you all a joyous day and all the best for the future.
> >
> > Equitius Cato, I enjoyed your post very much, by the way.
> >
> > Bene valete

Salve Kaelus -

You mean, you *shouldn't* be on moderated status! ;-)
I'm sure it will be corrected soon.
Glad to hear Yahoo wasn't on the fritz up in your area - down here
things trickled in out of sequence, & made following a thread nigh
impossible. Seems to be all better now - a holiday gift from Yahoo.

Vale
- Troi.

On Dec 25, 2004, at 5:48 AM, Dan wrote:

> KAELUS: I'm located in Lacus Magni; south-east Ohio, to be exact. And
> I've been a member of the Musarum for quite some time. I'm not on
> moderated status. That's what is so odd.
>
> Vale,
> Kaelus

Salve -

Yeah, Galactica seemed based on post-Cleopatran Egypt: Greek names,
Egyptian fashions, all with a Romanesque overlay & the Cylons as the
untrustworthy Barbarians out to destroy Civilization. Not nearly as
much in Star Wars, other than its Republic/Empire/Civil War theme.
Just as well: The Galactica mutilation of mythology was pretty dreadful
- Stargate SG1 is at least consistent with how it uses mythological
themes!
With Lorne Green at the helm we used to refer to it as "Cattle-car
Ponderosa". ;-)

Vale & happy Holidays!
- Troi.

On Dec 25, 2004, at 12:20 AM, raymond fuentes wrote:

>
> ever notice how BATTLESTAR GALACTICA and STAR WARS
> have blatantly Roman themes? Viper pilots wearing
> sagum capes. The old Republic replaced by the Empire?
> Neato
> --- hermeticagnosis@...
> <hermeticagnosis@...> wrote:
>> Salve Chris -
>> On Dec 24, 2004, at 2:41 PM, Chris wrote:
>>
>>> Sci-Fi Channel, History Channel, Discovery
> Channel,
>>> Animal Planet or the Science Channel.
>>>
>> Swap the Cartoon Network (Adult Swim) for Animal
> Planet and you've got
>> my own TV lineup!
>> Though I *do* wish the History Channel didn't play
> so fast and loose
>> with the facts at times. That's what happens when
> the "entertainment"
>> comes before the "History", alas.
>>
>> Vale
>> - Troi.
>>
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On Dec 25, 2004, at 1:51 AM, <immaculo@...> wrote:
> Except I never watch the History Channel. All it ever shows are
> programs on nazi Germany and the wild west

Haven't really noticed all that much Wild West stuff, but yeah, the
History Channel does seem to be hip deep in Nazis. As a result I've
been watching more Discovery Wings Channel than History Channel this
past year. I'm just glad there's more & more History programming to
choose from each year, so if the History Channel wants to act like it's
the Third Reich Channel at least we all have plenty of other options.

Vale
- Troianus

You are combining two different things. The remains of the women warriors discussed in the article are undergoing new analysis with the new methods now available and the excavation is still ongoing.
The gladiatrix is another find in another area and the conclusion there has already been reached that she was indeed a gladiatrix.
I did some research into the excavation referred to in the article and the analysis there, so far, favors the conclusion that these women were indeed warriors from the Danube region of Europe. Graves of warrior women are not uncommon anymore and that is not what is so unusual about these finds, but rather the fact that they were part of the Roman army in Britain when it had been previously thought that women had never had any part in it. The archaeologists involved now feel confident that they can say that old assumption was false.
And one does not have to "assume" someone is sexist when they prove that fact for you by every word that comes out of their mouths. There are some men who think women have never done anything worthy of note when the reality is the exact opposite.And that is what we were pointing out to this misguided fellow.

Maxima Valeria Messallina




"Vestinia, called Vesta" <optia_vesta@...> wrote:
Let's not get too virulent in our replies.

The "Gladiatrix" is still being researched. We cannot make
assumptions -- either way! -- the she was or was not a gladiatrix.

I would be thrilled if she proves out to be one, like Amazonia and
Achilla, but I am certainly not going to make the same type of
mistakes as the Victorians did!

So, let's not assume that people are "closeminded" or "sexist"
because they doubt the conclusions someone has leapt to before the
research is completed -- especially with items from a dig completed
decades ago and where we cannot investigate items in context.

The women's remains found in the dig may be auxilary soldiers. They
may not.

Let's wait for the full research to be done before we get too excited
either way. A Misrepresentation of the Truth, no matter how desired
or deserved, does no good to any of us.

Vestinia Caprenia


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Salvete omnes,

A little bit late but I wish you all happy christmas and wonderful
holidays and bona Saturnalia!

vale,
Ulpia Aestiva

Salvete omnes,

Speaking of the Roman gods, I just was going to remind people that
the Huygens probe will be leaving the bigger Cassini probe to
penetrate Titan's atmosphere and land on the surface in a few weeks.
That large moon of Saturn is certainly shrouded in mystery by the
thick atmosphere so we should all pray to the gods or our particular
god that the mission will be a great success; I'm too impatient to
have to wait another 8 years or more if things don't work out.
Imagine that: seas and rains of liquid hydrocarbons lapping alien
shores.

This event of course is of major interest to our Consul Marinus who
works at this sort of thing in the macroworld and I'll be sure to
pick his brains off list if I have any questions from the resulting
data.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Salve Ulpia Aestiva,

All the best holiday wishes to you; enjoy the gluewine!

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "aestiva2005" <aestiva2005@y...>
wrote:

>
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> A little bit late but I wish you all happy christmas and wonderful
> holidays and bona Saturnalia!
>
> vale,
> Ulpia Aestiva

Salvete Quirites, et salve Quinte Lani Pauline,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) wrote:

> Speaking of the Roman gods, I just was going to remind people that
> the Huygens probe will be leaving the bigger Cassini probe to
> penetrate Titan's atmosphere and land on the surface in a few weeks.

Huygens has already been released from Cassini. It cut loose on the
24th, two days ago.

> That large moon of Saturn is certainly shrouded in mystery by the
> thick atmosphere so we should all pray to the gods or our particular
> god that the mission will be a great success; I'm too impatient to
> have to wait another 8 years or more if things don't work out.

I think it's going to be OK. Whether the instruments aboard the probe
and its transponder can survive all the way to the surface is always an
open question at this point in a mission. But the good folks at the ESA
did a great job with Huygens, and I think that's going to pay off in
another couple of weeks when it enters Titan's atmosphere.

> Imagine that: seas and rains of liquid hydrocarbons lapping alien
> shores.

And scantily clad alien princesses, and four-armed bug-eyed monsters,
and awful mysterious forces that lurk in the deep...

> This event of course is of major interest to our Consul Marinus who
> works at this sort of thing in the macroworld

Although mine are Earth orbiting spacecraft, and not interplanetary
probes. But yes, I'm close enough to the JPL folks that I've been
following this one pretty carefully.

> and I'll be sure to
> pick his brains off list if I have any questions from the resulting
> data.

I'll be here. Ask away.

Valete Quirites,

-- Marinus

In a message dated 12/26/2004 9:55:59 AM Pacific Standard Time,
gawne@... writes:

> Imagine that: seas and rains of liquid hydrocarbons lapping alien
> shores.

And scantily clad alien princesses, and four-armed bug-eyed monsters,
and awful mysterious forces that lurk in the deep...
LOL Where would we be without that generation of kids who read JOHN CARTER,
WARLORD OF MARS under the covers by flashlight and thought to themselves "I
could do that...., I could design a craft that would get there." And did. <g>

V

I saw the Berlin Wall fall,
I saw Mandela walk free.
I saw a dream whose time had come
Change my history.

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walkyr@... wrote:

> LOL Where would we be without that generation of kids who read JOHN CARTER,
> WARLORD OF MARS under the covers by flashlight and thought to themselves "I
> could do that...., I could design a craft that would get there." And did. <g>

Yeah, we did.

I have more than once described the work I do as "turning Science
Fiction into Science Fact."

As for John Carter of Virginia, Jeddak of Jeddaks, warrior champion of
Princess Deja Thoris of Helium, and boon companion of Tars Tarkas,
Jeddak of Thark... I suppose we shall have to leave him to the purple
prose of Edgar Rice Burroughs.

QX,

-- Marinus

Salvete Quirites!

I have since some time been searching for Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Felix, my Censorial colleague. We had an agreement that he would be
responisble for the months of August, October and December. He hasn't
been heard of since Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:20:03 as a Censor. He has
_not_ taken responsibility for any Censorial work since then. I have
since then been forced to take the whole Censorial work on my
shoulders with the assistance of my Cohors.

I am of the opinion that he is not the kind of person who disappears
without leaving a message without any reason. Nova Roma got a message
on Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:40:15 indirectly through Gnaeus Julius Caesar
on the main list saying that Sulla had some technical problems. I
have however not recieved any personal message from him since the 7th
of September. His phone doesn't function and all mails to his e-mail
address bounces back. The technical problems that he has must be huge
or has he had some terrible accident?

The 14th of October I issued an edictum where I took over from my
colleague (Edictum Censoris CFQ XVIII about assuming responsibility
for the Censorial work during the rest of October until further
notice.) and I have upheld the office alone until now with all the
work it requires.

No one has contacted me to explain where is he is and I think it is
time to declare him absent.

I must admit that I am very worried, what has happened to our
co-citizen? I will include Sulla in my prayers and I ask You all to
do the same!

--- Maxima <violetphearsen@...> wrote:

> You are combining two different things. The remains of the women

The issue was conflated long before I got to it. It was pitched as
yet another bit of evidence, all of which add up to the conclusion we
most desire to see.

> warriors discussed in the article are undergoing new analysis with
> the new methods now available and the excavation is still ongoing.
> The gladiatrix is another find in another area and the conclusion
> there has already been reached that she was indeed a gladiatrix.

Interesting, as the last information I had from scholarly circles
indicated that the London find was still being evaluated and that
popular magazines had drawn the gladiatrix conclusion. Could you list
the scholarly journal where the final paper is? I would like to read
it.

> I did some research into the excavation referred to in the article
> and the analysis there, so far, favors the conclusion that these
> women were indeed warriors from the Danube region of Europe. Graves

And my point was that *right now* it is fashionable to see the graves
that way. Just as it was fashionable, a decade or more ago, to see
them as symbolic or shamanistic.

I advocated, and still advocate, that we wait until the research/dig
is complete before we draw our conclusions, however so much we desire
them to be one way or the other.

> And one does not have to "assume" someone is sexist when they prove
> that fact for you by every word that comes out of their mouths.

Interesting. As I understood his post, he was advocating that we not
"jump the gun" in drawing our conclusions, that the archeologists are
still working and we shouldn't "assume" that the graves are as we
wish them to be, in our completely non-sexist and non-conforming
vision.

> There are some men who think women have never done anything worthy
> of note when the reality is the exact opposite.And that is what we
> were pointing out to this misguided fellow.

"There are some men who think women have never done anything
worthy"... but was not saying anything which made him one of "those"
men. I find it intriguing that you read his post as offensive and
sexist, when I read it as urging intellectual honesty.

I think it likely that this discussion says more about us and the
world we want to see, than the archaeology we are discussing.

Vestinia Caprenia



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if theyre any alien woman Im certain William Shatner
can be drawn out of Star Fleet retirement. So long as
he use the alien or green chick theme music.
--- gawne@... <gawne@...> wrote:

> Salvete Quirites, et salve Quinte Lani Pauline,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) wrote:
>
> > Speaking of the Roman gods, I just was going to

remind people that

> > the Huygens probe will be leaving the bigger

Cassini probe to

> > penetrate Titan's atmosphere and land on the

surface in a few weeks.

>
> Huygens has already been released from Cassini. It

cut loose on the

> 24th, two days ago.
>
> > That large moon of Saturn is certainly shrouded in

mystery by the

> > thick atmosphere so we should all pray to the gods

or our particular

> > god that the mission will be a great success; I'm

too impatient to

> > have to wait another 8 years or more if things

don't work out.

>
> I think it's going to be OK. Whether the

instruments aboard the probe

> and its transponder can survive all the way to the

surface is always an

> open question at this point in a mission. But the

good folks at the ESA

> did a great job with Huygens, and I think that's

going to pay off in

> another couple of weeks when it enters Titan's

atmosphere.

>
> > Imagine that: seas and rains of liquid

hydrocarbons lapping alien

> > shores.
>
> And scantily clad alien princesses, and four-armed

bug-eyed monsters,

> and awful mysterious forces that lurk in the deep...
>
> > This event of course is of major interest to our

Consul Marinus who

> > works at this sort of thing in the macroworld
>
> Although mine are Earth orbiting spacecraft, and not

interplanetary

> probes. But yes, I'm close enough to the JPL folks

that I've been

> following this one pretty carefully.
>
> > and I'll be sure to
> > pick his brains off list if I have any questions

from the resulting

> > data.
>
> I'll be here. Ask away.
>
> Valete Quirites,
>
> -- Marinus

=====
S P Q R

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Salvete Censor Quintiliane et omnes,

I agree with you Censor Quintilianus. Once Sulla misinterpreted a
note I sent to the back alley thinking I was quitting NR and he wrote
me back a note saying that it was unheard of to resign your Roman
citizenship through the ages and he wished to talk me out of it.

I will not discuss medical details on the list but most of us know he
had some health issues and a few serious operations over the last 24
months or so. Based on this I have been worried that a new big move,
new location, new job pressure etc. which can be very stressful, even
fot the strongest of us could well have a negative effect on someone
in his situation.

I'll continue to pray for his safe return and keep an eye out for him
when surfing the net.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus







--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
<christer.edling@t...> wrote:

> Salvete Quirites!
>
> I have since some time been searching for Lucius Cornelius Sulla
> Felix, my Censorial colleague. We had an agreement that he would be
> responisble for the months of August, October and December. He

hasn't

> been heard of since Tue, 7 Sep 2004 20:20:03 as a Censor. He has
> _not_ taken responsibility for any Censorial work since then. I

have

> since then been forced to take the whole Censorial work on my
> shoulders with the assistance of my Cohors.
>
> I am of the opinion that he is not the kind of person who

disappears

> without leaving a message without any reason. Nova Roma got a

message

> on Wed, 13 Oct 2004 00:40:15 indirectly through Gnaeus Julius

Caesar

> on the main list saying that Sulla had some technical problems. I
> have however not recieved any personal message from him since the

7th

> of September. His phone doesn't function and all mails to his e-

mail

> address bounces back. The technical problems that he has must be

huge

> or has he had some terrible accident?
>
> The 14th of October I issued an edictum where I took over from my
> colleague (Edictum Censoris CFQ XVIII about assuming responsibility
> for the Censorial work during the rest of October until further
> notice.) and I have upheld the office alone until now with all the
> work it requires.
>
> No one has contacted me to explain where is he is and I think it is
> time to declare him absent.
>
> I must admit that I am very worried, what has happened to our
> co-citizen? I will include Sulla in my prayers and I ask You all to
> do the same!

Cornicularius Cornelianus;

I thank you for the fowarding of the "Thank You" note. The Censor
Quintillianus, as always, was prompt and detailed in his immediate and
informative response. He and his Cohortes deserve the praise and thanks
for this reaction to a citizens request.

Your attention to detail as well as the Censor's is what will hold this
micronation together with solidarity. The colliective concern over
small individual problems such as the Censor Quintillianus has observed
builds the strength of the micro-nation on the basis of a desire to be
off assistance to each of the NR Citizens as may answer thier needs.

In sending this note to the Main List, I acknowledge all of those who
work with me towards the success and enjoyment of Nova Roma, and thank
them for their tremendous efforts in the past year, directed towards the
growth and enjoyment of this micro-nation and in freeing it to some
small extent from the political and religious anger, frustration and
invective that plagues this organization.

Further I take this opportunity to give praise and thanks to all of
those in NR who work toward he brnging together of all of our citizens
and towards healing unthnking wounds imposed by those who care little
for the feeligs of thier fellow man.

In closing, I would most humbly ask that if there are any in NR who are
thinking of or who have already determined that they are withdrawing
from NR because of the above kind of treatment within the micronation,
before you leave, I should wish that you would contact me. Several
people already have and are now enjoying a renewed interest in Nova
Roma, and I would hope that perhaps there are others in the micronation
who feel much the same way.

Remember, that while there are those among us who seek out conflict and
seem to revel in it, by far the larger majority of our citizens would
rather avoid such, and may well be both hurt and disgusted by such raw
conflict, inappropriate language and harsh declarations someimes found
here. This phenomenon is well understood, and what is also well
understood is an individual interest for things Roman as evidenced in
the repeated delight of those who have recieved thier citizenship in NR.

So, please, before you leave NR in disappointment or disgust, send me
a message, and if it will make you feel any better you may "dump" on me,
your frustartions (grin!!!!!!). Sometimes it helps to get them all out
of our system. Anyway, I just wanted you all to know that there is a
group within NR (one among many) with whom you may talk politely and who
will listen to your ideas without criticism, and who can direct you to a
variety of different areas of discussion and history within NR,where
your ideas and others are shared in an amicable fashion. Others have
come forward to this offer and are now participating in these described
activities. You are very welcome as well!!!!

Very Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens -- Senator and Proconsul -- Curator
Differum -- Sodalitatas Praefectus


Wishing you all the best, with Fair Winds and Following Seas!!!

Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato Novaromanis S.P.D.

It is my sincere hope that all citizens who are followers of
the Religio have had a great and safe Saturnalia, that our Jewish
friends had a great and safe Hanukkah, our Christian friends a safe
and Merry Christmas, our Muslim friends a late hope that you had a
good and healthy Ramadan.

Any I have left out... my family's wish is that you had a good
and healthy time with your family and friends.

A special Happy Saturnalia and Merry Christmas to Pompeia
Minucia-Tiberia Strabo. I hope that you, the "Barbarian :-)", and
the children are all doing well, and that everyone is healthy and in
good spirits. Blessings for you all. Best of luck in the election
results my friend.
To my collegues in the Senate, and the magistates for the past
year, and the magistrates who are about to enter office for the
coming year, my hope is that you all had excellent holidays with
your loved ones, and I wish and pray to our Gods and Goddesses for
good health to all.
To my fellow Senator Gaius Popillius Laenas, many thanks for
your kind e-mail. Sorry that I didn't get back to you before now. I
hope that you and your family have had a great get-together this
season, and hope that the election results are in your favour as
well. May you and your family enjoy happy times and good health.
Best wishes my friend.

Let us all hope for another great year for Nova Roma, and allow
a few bad feelings to fall by the wayside. It is time to start a new
chapter, and work together for the benefit and growth of Nova Roma.

Bene valete, Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato

Salvete to all Nova Romans
Greetings on your festive day (no matter what it is) from a new
citizen.
Valete
Iusta Sempronia Iustina

-Salve Appi Tulli Marcelle Catoni Amice et Salvete Omnes !:

Thank you amice for your kind words and best wishes.

The Barbarian and myself in turn extend to you and your familia a
very happy holiday and a prosperous New Year.

Thanks for thinking of us.

Quirites, most of you have probably guessed by now that the
Barbarian is 'my better half' :)

Po


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "a_cato2002" <catoni52@s...> wrote:

>
>
>
> Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato Novaromanis S.P.D.
>
> It is my sincere hope that all citizens who are followers of
> the Religio have had a great and safe Saturnalia, that our Jewish
> friends had a great and safe Hanukkah, our Christian friends a

safe

> and Merry Christmas, our Muslim friends a late hope that you had a
> good and healthy Ramadan.
>
> Any I have left out... my family's wish is that you had a good
> and healthy time with your family and friends.
>
> A special Happy Saturnalia and Merry Christmas to Pompeia
> Minucia-Tiberia Strabo. I hope that you, the "Barbarian :-)", and
> the children are all doing well, and that everyone is healthy and

in

> good spirits. Blessings for you all. Best of luck in the election
> results my friend.
> To my collegues in the Senate, and the magistates for the past
> year, and the magistrates who are about to enter office for the
> coming year, my hope is that you all had excellent holidays with
> your loved ones, and I wish and pray to our Gods and Goddesses for
> good health to all.
> To my fellow Senator Gaius Popillius Laenas, many thanks for
> your kind e-mail. Sorry that I didn't get back to you before now.

I

> hope that you and your family have had a great get-together this
> season, and hope that the election results are in your favour as
> well. May you and your family enjoy happy times and good health.
> Best wishes my friend.
>
> Let us all hope for another great year for Nova Roma, and

allow

> a few bad feelings to fall by the wayside. It is time to start a

new

> chapter, and work together for the benefit and growth of Nova Roma.
>
> Bene valete, Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato

--- Ave Sempronia!

Thank you. Good to have you in the republic. You have picked a
wonderful gens/materfamilias, by the way.

Pompeia


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "shiarraeltradaik"
<shiarraeltradaik@y...> wrote:

>
> Salvete to all Nova Romans
> Greetings on your festive day (no matter what it is) from a new
> citizen.
> Valete
> Iusta Sempronia Iustina

"Vestinia, called Vesta" <optia_vesta@...> wrote:

<The issue was conflated long before I got to it.>

No, I'm sorry, it was not. You did that.

<And my point was that *right now* it is fashionable to see the graves that way. Just as it was fashionable, a decade or more ago, to see them as symbolic or shamanistic.>

Archaeologists do not arrive at their conclusions to be fashionable. I am studying archeology and know, firsthand, how dedicated these people are to determining the truth from what they find.

<I advocated, and still advocate, that we wait until the research/dig is complete before we draw our conclusions, however so much we desire them to be one way or the other.>

Work on an excavation site can go on for years, but not because they are unable to come to conclusions about what they have found. It takes a lot of work to excavate any find so as to save all that can be saved. It's very tedious, painstaking work and it takes time. With today's technology, however, analysis of what is found doesn't take years.


<Interesting. As I understood his post, he was advocating that we not "jump the gun" in drawing our conclusions, that the archeologists are still working and we shouldn't "assume" that the graves are as we wish them to be, in our completely non-sexist and non-conforming vision.>

I don't know what post you were reading, but that's not what it said in the rebuttal. He was not arguing for "intellectual honesty." He made a sexist comment and I called him on it.

<I think it likely that this discussion says more about us and the
world we want to see, than the archaeology we are discussing.

Vestinia Caprenia>


Any discussion a person has saids something about them, and I was not discussing my vision of the world that I would like to see, although a world without sexism would be nice.

You have completely missed the point I was making. When a grave is unearthed and a man buried with weapons is found, one naturally assumes he was a warrior, but that assumption is not to be even allowed if the remains be that of a women, simply because she is female? That is sexist thinking. There is no guarantee that the man was a warrior just because he was a man.

Some men have a very hard time accepting the fact that there really were women warriors. The gladiatrix was given as one example, but others could have just as easily been used.

Maxima Valeria Messallina

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