salve Calvus,
thank you very much for your excellent job and for the help by
Senator Germanicus
I would only inform you that there is a little error at
http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/voting/ : the deadline of the
Comitia is not on 00:01 XXVIII December, it's on 00:01 XXVIII
JANUARY.

Thank you again.

Vale
FR. Apulus Caesar
Consul


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "quintuscassiuscalvus"
<richmal@c...> wrote:

>
> Salvete,
>
> The Cista is now up and working properly. If you received an

error

> message when you went to vote, please log in and vote again.

Anyone

> receiving an error message did not have a ballot cast.
>
> My thanks and gratitude to Marcus Octavius Germanicus (the

physical

> custodian of the server hardware) for his quick response.
>
> Valete,
>
> Q. Cassius Calvus

G. Equitius Cato F. Henrico Cardozo Silvae S.P.D.

Salve!

I am a resident of the greatest City in the history of the world
(after Rome) --- New York (Novum Eboracum)! If there's anything I can
do to help you get settled, once you've gotten your citizenship,
please do not hesitate to let me know.

Vale,

Cato



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Fernando Henrique Cardozo Silva
<cardozo_silva@y...> wrote:

>
> Thank you so much. Yes, I´m applying citizenship. The request is 8434.
> It´s always good meet new faces to. =) Where are you from?
>
> Fernando
>
> mlcinnyc <mlcinnyc@y...> wrote:
>
>
> G. Equitius Cato F. Hernando Henrico Silvae salutem plurimam dicit.
>
> Salve vir.
>
> Welcome to Nova Roma! Are you applying for citizenship? Take a look
> around our website:
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/main.html
>
> and see what we're about. It's always good to see new faces.
>
> Vale optime,
>
> Cato
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Fernando Henrique Cardozo Silva
> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Nova Romans!
> >
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> >
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Vale
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Salve Consul Franciscus Apulus Caesar et al

While he is entitled to a reconsideration of his citizenship resignation , under current law , he first resigned his office and was a former Quaestor when he resigned his citizenship. Just like Caius Curius Saturninus when he resigned his Tribuneship and then his citizenship.

They both can have their citizenship back but not their offices.

If anybody makes any effort to check Nova Roman history it is very simple. On a few occasions a few magistrates were allowed to keep their offices when they came back from resigning. Just because the law was not applied CORRECTLY in these cases not not mean we should continue to misapply it forever.



Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: FAC<mailto:sacro_barese_impero@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 12:10 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] ERRATA CORRIGE - Re: A Second Quaestor Vacancy



Salvete Omnes,
I respectfully correct my Illustrus colleague Consul Laenas.
We can't accept other candidacies because officially there is no
vacant places. In fact followign the laws of Nova Roma the
resignation of illustrus Quintus Bianchius Rufinius will be official
in 9 days.
In any way, all the interested candidates for the Office of Quaestor
could candidate theirself during the next Comitia Populi Tributa
which would be organized as soon as possible.

Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
------------------------------
NOVA ROMA
------------------------------
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiuspopilliuslaenas"
<ksterne@b...> wrote:
>
> G. Popillius Laenas Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit.
>
> Because of the resignation of Quaestor Quintus Bianchius Rufinus,
we
> have a second vacancy in the Quaestorship which needs to be filled.
>
> There is still time for a cive interested in serving to declare
before
> the Comitia is called to vote.
>
> Please submit your candidacy to Consul Apulus Caesar at:
>
> fraelov@y...
>
> or send it to me at
>
> ksterne@b...
>
> and I will forward it.
>
> Vles bene.





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Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus Quiritibus salutem dicit.

The vote cast with tracking number 5544 was cast with an invalid voter code.
If this is your vote, please check your voter code, and re-cast your vote.

Valete,

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
Diribitor

Salve,

I'll take care of that, either that or we have a real long election.
<G>

Vale,

Calvus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "FAC" <sacro_barese_impero@l...>
wrote:

>
> salve Calvus,
> thank you very much for your excellent job and for the help by
> Senator Germanicus
> I would only inform you that there is a little error at
> http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/voting/ : the deadline of

the

> Comitia is not on 00:01 XXVIII December, it's on 00:01 XXVIII
> JANUARY.
>
> Thank you again.
>
> Vale
> FR. Apulus Caesar
> Consul
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "quintuscassiuscalvus"
> <richmal@c...> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete,
> >
> > The Cista is now up and working properly. If you received an
> error
> > message when you went to vote, please log in and vote again.
> Anyone
> > receiving an error message did not have a ballot cast.
> >
> > My thanks and gratitude to Marcus Octavius Germanicus (the
> physical
> > custodian of the server hardware) for his quick response.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Q. Cassius Calvus

Salve,

Merci beaucoup! You just made my life that much easier.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Rutilius Minervalis"
<pjtuloup@y...> wrote:

>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> I think very useful to translate in french this Edictum, for the
> french-readers citizen who do not suscribed to NR-Gallia list.
>
> Valete !
>
> Lucius Rutilius Minervalis
> Provinciae Galliae Propraetor
> Aedilician Quaestor
>
>

---Oh Yeah! Good eyes!

well, if we did keep it this long, we may be able to wait
out 'several' resignations and hold just one comitia call,
accommodating them all at one..kill many birds with one shot, like
skeet shooting...there's might be some 'darned short' magisterial
suffectus terms, but them's the breaks, right? :)

:} Po


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@c...>
wrote:

>
> Salve,
>
> I'll take care of that, either that or we have a real long

election.

> <G>
>
> Vale,
>
> Calvus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "FAC" <sacro_barese_impero@l...>
> wrote:
> >
> > salve Calvus,
> > thank you very much for your excellent job and for the help by
> > Senator Germanicus
> > I would only inform you that there is a little error at
> > http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/voting/ : the deadline of
> the
> > Comitia is not on 00:01 XXVIII December, it's on 00:01 XXVIII
> > JANUARY.
> >
> > Thank you again.
> >
> > Vale
> > FR. Apulus Caesar
> > Consul
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "quintuscassiuscalvus"
> > <richmal@c...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salvete,
> > >
> > > The Cista is now up and working properly. If you received an
> > error
> > > message when you went to vote, please log in and vote again.
> > Anyone
> > > receiving an error message did not have a ballot cast.
> > >
> > > My thanks and gratitude to Marcus Octavius Germanicus (the
> > physical
> > > custodian of the server hardware) for his quick response.
> > >
> > > Valete,
> > >
> > > Q. Cassius Calvus

Salve,

But it would pose a problem with having to add names to the ballots
on the fly and people having to go back and vote again. It would
sort of be like the never ending Tribunal run-offs of two years
past.

Vale,

Calvus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_minucia_tiberia"
<pompeia_minucia_tiberia@y...> wrote:

>
> ---Oh Yeah! Good eyes!
>
> well, if we did keep it this long, we may be able to wait
> out 'several' resignations and hold just one comitia call,
> accommodating them all at one..kill many birds with one shot, like
> skeet shooting...there's might be some 'darned short' magisterial
> suffectus terms, but them's the breaks, right? :)
>
> :} Po
>
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "quintuscassiuscalvus"

<richmal@c...>

> wrote:
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > I'll take care of that, either that or we have a real long
> election.
> > <G>
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Calvus
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "FAC"

<sacro_barese_impero@l...>

> > wrote:
> > >
> > > salve Calvus,
> > > thank you very much for your excellent job and for the help by
> > > Senator Germanicus
> > > I would only inform you that there is a little error at
> > > http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/voting/ : the deadline

of

> > the
> > > Comitia is not on 00:01 XXVIII December, it's on 00:01 XXVIII
> > > JANUARY.
> > >
> > > Thank you again.
> > >
> > > Vale
> > > FR. Apulus Caesar
> > > Consul
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "quintuscassiuscalvus"
> > > <richmal@c...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Salvete,
> > > >
> > > > The Cista is now up and working properly. If you received

an

> > > error
> > > > message when you went to vote, please log in and vote

again.

> > > Anyone
> > > > receiving an error message did not have a ballot cast.
> > > >
> > > > My thanks and gratitude to Marcus Octavius Germanicus (the
> > > physical
> > > > custodian of the server hardware) for his quick response.
> > > >
> > > > Valete,
> > > >
> > > > Q. Cassius Calvus

---P. Minucia Tiberia s.p.d.:

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy P. Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:

> Salve Consul Franciscus Apulus Caesar et al
>
> While he is entitled to a reconsideration of his citizenship

resignation , under current law , he first resigned his office and
was a former Quaestor when he resigned his citizenship. Just like
Caius Curius Saturninus when he resigned his Tribuneship and then
his citizenship.

Pompeia: Well, that would deviate with how the law has been applied
to date, Galerius Paulinus but maybe we could look at the language
of the lex and determine where the perceived ambiguities lie:




Although I don't like the wording in paragraph I of the Lex:

http:///www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2001-05-20-iii.html

Paragraph II states and I quote: If during the nundina (9 day
period) the citizen decides to withdraw his or her resignation and
remain a citizen, that citizen may do so freely without penalty,
except as defined in the next paragraph...

Note the last two sentences..."withdraw his or her citizenship and
remain a citizen"...this in itself implies that they are just a
citizen after returning from a resignation, yes, but this element
can be argued as clarified in the next sentence, which reads "that
citizen may do so freely without penalty, except as defined in the
next paragraph". I suppose you could, Galerius Paulinus, consider a
denial of magisterial reinstatement as not being a 'penalty' and
this word is not defined within this sentence rotely, although I
should think it would be reasonable to assume that other people
might feel penalized by it, especially if they indicated they would
like to resume whatever offices they held upon their return. In
either case, to further shed light, let us boldly press on, with
narry a trepidation to intimidate us:

Let us examine the 'next' paragraph, which, according to the
language of the lex, is to serve as a further definition:

III If a currently serving magistrate submits and withdraws multiple
resignations of citizenship in the same calendar year, the censores
will have grounds, after a closed hearing"....(to basically take
action to potentially prohibit running for further offices for a
time, you may read it as you wish)

So, Galerius Paulinus, if citizens were never to assume their
magistracies upon return as you so suggest, why does paragraph III
above speak of returning citizens as "magistrates", and assign a
potential consequence to multiple resignations of citizenship by a
serving magistrate in a given calendar year? Actually, the latter
is the product of someone else's thinking, not my own, but I do
think it is sound.

>
> They both can have their citizenship back but not their offices.
>
> If anybody makes any effort to check Nova Roman history it is very

simple. On a few occasions a few magistrates were allowed to keep
their offices when they came back from resigning. Just because the
law was not applied CORRECTLY in these cases not not mean we should
continue to misapply it forever.

Pompeia: Maybe in all the number of people who held magistracies
only a proportionate 'few' resigned. Since you are not citing any
specifics and I am not asking for them, 'few' is a rather subjective
and relative term, no? The actions "prior" to this lex do not bear
weight on how this lex is applied, necessarily.

This lex has been around since 2001. I do not understand your
application of it, but you are entitled to your opinion...I hope
that the language of it is perhaps tightened a bit so someone else's
return is not challenged in the manner Saturninus' tribunis was.
Laenus Consul said something about this recently (hint hint)

If the law was misapplied for Saturninus it was also misapplied for
Laenus Consul. I do not believe it was. That the Bianchus
resignation is any different, is a call for the Tribunes, although 4
of 5 of them agreed that Saturninus is a Tribune, as provided by
law.

Valete
Po

>
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: FAC<mailto:sacro_barese_impero@l...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 12:10 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] ERRATA CORRIGE - Re: A Second Quaestor

Vacancy

>
>
>
> Salvete Omnes,
> I respectfully correct my Illustrus colleague Consul Laenas.
> We can't accept other candidacies because officially there is no
> vacant places. In fact followign the laws of Nova Roma the
> resignation of illustrus Quintus Bianchius Rufinius will be

official

> in 9 days.
> In any way, all the interested candidates for the Office of

Quaestor

> could candidate theirself during the next Comitia Populi Tributa
> which would be organized as soon as possible.
>
> Valete
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar
> ------------------------------
> NOVA ROMA
> ------------------------------
> Senior Consul
> Senator
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>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiuspopilliuslaenas"
> <ksterne@b...> wrote:
> >
> > G. Popillius Laenas Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit.
> >
> > Because of the resignation of Quaestor Quintus Bianchius

Rufinus,

> we
> > have a second vacancy in the Quaestorship which needs to be

filled.

> >
> > There is still time for a cive interested in serving to

declare

> before
> > the Comitia is called to vote.
> >
> > Please submit your candidacy to Consul Apulus Caesar at:
> >
> > fraelov@y...
> >
> > or send it to me at
> >
> > ksterne@b...
> >
> > and I will forward it.
> >
> > Vles bene.
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Thank you so much, milord. =)
Well, I live in the third greatest city in History after Rome, São Paulo. =) By what I have reading at the website, I think could be more interesting be part of Brasilia and get in touch with some Brazilian members of Nova Roma.

Fernando

gaiusequitiuscato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:


G. Equitius Cato F. Henrico Cardozo Silvae S.P.D.

Salve!

I am a resident of the greatest City in the history of the world
(after Rome) --- New York (Novum Eboracum)! If there's anything I can
do to help you get settled, once you've gotten your citizenship,
please do not hesitate to let me know.

Vale,

Cato



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Fernando Henrique Cardozo Silva
wrote:

>
> Thank you so much. Yes, I´m applying citizenship. The request is 8434.
> It´s always good meet new faces to. =) Where are you from?
>
> Fernando
>
> mlcinnyc wrote:
>
>
> G. Equitius Cato F. Hernando Henrico Silvae salutem plurimam dicit.
>
> Salve vir.
>
> Welcome to Nova Roma! Are you applying for citizenship? Take a look
> around our website:
>
> http://www.novaroma.org/main.html
>
> and see what we're about. It's always good to see new faces.
>
> Vale optime,
>
> Cato
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Fernando Henrique Cardozo Silva
> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Nova Romans!
> >
> > Let me introduce myself. I´m Fernando Cardozo Silva, Brazilian, 20
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OSD G. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes.

Galerius Paulinus, I may be mistaken, but there are no provisions made
in the lex Cornelia et Maria de civitate euiranda which deal with
resignations of offices, except in the case of multiple resignations.

The only thing I could find regarding resignation of offices in
specific is the inactive consular edictum of Flavius Vedius Germanicus
dated 15 June 2754. Since this edictum was not renewed, it is no
longer in force.

The question that is perhaps most pertinent is whether or not
Bianchius Rufinus has tendered his resignation "officially", i.e., if
he has notified the Censors, or if three citizens have informed the
Censors that they have "witnessed" his declaration of resignation.

As has been said before here in the Forum, it is necessary for a lex
to be promulgated to decide the issue of resignation of
offices...ummm...officially. Flavius Germanicus' consular edictum in
fact mentions that his edictum is "pending passage of a lex and/or
Senatus Consultum", neither of which unfortunately have come into being.

However, as even you recognize, the mos of Nova Roma has been that a
magistrate has been allowed to return with offices intact within that
9-day grace period.

Vale bene,

Cato

Salve

> Salve Consul Franciscus Apulus Caesar et al
>
> While he is entitled to a reconsideration of his citizenship resignation
> , under current law , he first resigned his office and was a former
> Quaestor when he resigned his citizenship. Just like Caius Curius
> Saturninus when he resigned his Tribuneship and then his citizenship.
>
> They both can have their citizenship back but not their offices.

First of all, despite what Galerius Paulinus might be saying for a week
now, Caius Curius Saturninus is in his full capacities as Tribunus of Nova
Roma. the wishful thinking of a person dosn't change the fact he can
exercise his right of intercessio, propose laws and do everything any
other tribune can.

Secondly, trying to divide a single act and give it different consequences
depending by the order one has written a word or twi is ridiculous. I
guess if Bianchius had said "I resign as citizen and as as a Questor" then
it would had had different consequences? And if he had said only "I resign
as a citizen", should we had considered him a former citizen, yet still
holding his magistracy? After all, while I'm somewhat sure it's written
that only a citizen can run for holding offices, I'm (almost) sure nowhere
is said that a non citizen can't hold a magistracy he has rightfully got
when he was a citizen. The truth is that laws should be handled with some
good sense, especially when they have holes in them.

Frankly, I understand the frustration of someone who had already submitted
his candidacy to take Saturninus' place, but this ongoing and futile
dispute about the legitimacy of a member of the tribunate is pointless and
can only result in more instability and troubles for the Res Publica.

For the well being of Nova Roma, I invite to close it here.

Vale

Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
Founder of Gens Constantinia
Tribunus Plebis
Aedilis Urbis

Salvete Omnes,

Of course my Colleague is correct. It was quite early when I read of
the Quaestor's resignation (about 3 am here) and I acted in error.

My apologies and thanks to Consul Apulus (and others ;-) for the
correction.

Valete,

Laenas

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "FAC" <sacro_barese_impero@l...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes,
> I respectfully correct my Illustrus colleague Consul Laenas.
> We can't accept other candidacies because officially there is no
> vacant places. In fact followign the laws of Nova Roma the
> resignation of illustrus Quintus Bianchius Rufinius will be official
> in 9 days.
> In any way, all the interested candidates for the Office of Quaestor
> could candidate theirself during the next Comitia Populi Tributa
> which would be organized as soon as possible.
>
> Valete
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar
> ------------------------------
> NOVA ROMA
> ------------------------------
> Senior Consul
> Senator
> Legatus Italiae - http://italia.novaroma.org
> Lictor et Scriba
> Pater Familiae Gens Apula - http://italia.novaroma.org/apula/
> Dominus Factionis Russatae - http://aediles.novaroma.org/russata/
> Magister Academiae Italicae -
> http://italia.novaroma.org/academiaitalica/
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiuspopilliuslaenas"
> <ksterne@b...> wrote:
> >
> > G. Popillius Laenas Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit.
> >
> > Because of the resignation of Quaestor Quintus Bianchius Rufinus,
> we
> > have a second vacancy in the Quaestorship which needs to be filled.
> >
> > There is still time for a cive interested in serving to declare
> before
> > the Comitia is called to vote.
> >
> > Please submit your candidacy to Consul Apulus Caesar at:
> >
> > fraelov@y...
> >
> > or send it to me at
> >
> > ksterne@b...
> >
> > and I will forward it.
> >
> > Vles bene.

To Whom it may concern. Since a citizen pointed out I
am headcount months ago I have sent several checks to
NR and none have been cashed. Is this personal? Why?

=====
S P Q R

Fidelis Ad Mortem.

Marcvs Flavivs Fides
Roman Citizen



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---Salvete Fuscus Tribunus:

Somebody actually submitted a candidacy prior to a vacancy being
officially established, in the absence of any call for candidates? I
can understand one 'thinking' about it, but actually submitting his
candidacy?

A rather presumptuous move on many counts. Was he/she atleast
plebian? (joke) Even if the actions of this lex were somehow vetoed
by the Tribunes (and I agree with the Tribune majority in this),
such enthusiasm should have indeed waited until you called for
candidates. Ahh well. "Maybe" a new citizen, or one who is weak on
NRlaw and procedures perhaps.

Po

Pompeia


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Domitius Constantinus Fuscus"
<dom.con.fus@e...> wrote:

> Salve
>
> > Salve Consul Franciscus Apulus Caesar et al
> >
> > While he is entitled to a reconsideration of his citizenship

resignation

> > , under current law , he first resigned his office and was a

former

> > Quaestor when he resigned his citizenship. Just like Caius

Curius

> > Saturninus when he resigned his Tribuneship and then his

citizenship.

> >
> > They both can have their citizenship back but not their offices.
>
> First of all, despite what Galerius Paulinus might be saying for a

week

> now, Caius Curius Saturninus is in his full capacities as Tribunus

of Nova

> Roma. the wishful thinking of a person dosn't change the fact he

can

> exercise his right of intercessio, propose laws and do everything

any

> other tribune can.
>
> Secondly, trying to divide a single act and give it different

consequences

> depending by the order one has written a word or twi is

ridiculous. I

> guess if Bianchius had said "I resign as citizen and as as a

Questor" then

> it would had had different consequences? And if he had said

only "I resign

> as a citizen", should we had considered him a former citizen, yet

still

> holding his magistracy? After all, while I'm somewhat sure it's

written

> that only a citizen can run for holding offices, I'm (almost) sure

nowhere

> is said that a non citizen can't hold a magistracy he has

rightfully got

> when he was a citizen. The truth is that laws should be handled

with some

> good sense, especially when they have holes in them.
>
> Frankly, I understand the frustration of someone who had already

submitted

> his candidacy to take Saturninus' place, but this ongoing and

futile

> dispute about the legitimacy of a member of the tribunate is

pointless and

> can only result in more instability and troubles for the Res

Publica.

>
> For the well being of Nova Roma, I invite to close it here.
>
> Vale
>
> Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
> Founder of Gens Constantinia
> Tribunus Plebis
> Aedilis Urbis

Salve Tribune Domitius Constantinus Fuscus et al

Tribune Domitius Constantinus Fuscus said in part:

"First of all, despite what Galerius Paulinus might be saying for a week
now, Caius Curius Saturninus is in his full capacities as Tribunus of Nova
Roma. the wishful thinking of a person doesn't change the fact he can
exercise his right of intercessio, propose laws and do everything any
other tribune can."

TGP: No he is not.

At the time they resigned their citizenship they were and still are FORMER magistrates. The are not magistrates and no one in Nova Roma is obliged to follow anything they say or do as they are just a private citizen in the case of Caius Curius Saturninus and a soon to be former citizen in the cast of Quintus Bianchius Rufinius.

Tribune Domitius Constantinus Fuscus also said in part:

"Secondly, trying to divide a single act and give it different consequences
depending by the order one has written a word or two is ridiculous.

TGP They are separate acts! If one resigns as a magistrate it does not effect ones standing as a citizen whereas the resignation of ones citizenship renders one ineligible to serve as a magistrate.

DCF: I guess if Bianchius had said "I resign as citizen and as as a Quaestor" then it would had had different consequences?

TGP Yes and we would be having a different but similar debate

And if he had said only "I resign as a citizen", should we had considered him a former citizen, yet still
holding his magistracy? After all, while I'm somewhat sure it's written
that only a citizen can run for holding offices, I'm (almost) sure nowhere
is said that a non citizen can't hold a magistracy he has rightfully got
when he was a citizen. The truth is that laws should be handled with some
good sense, especially when they have holes in them."

TGP No because only citizens can hold office.

DCF "Frankly, I understand the frustration of someone who had already submitted
his candidacy to take Saturninus' place, but this ongoing and futile
dispute about the legitimacy of a member of the tribunate is pointless and
can only result in more instability and troubles for the Res Publica."

For the well being of Nova Roma, I invite to close it here.

TGP: This has nothing to do with my candidacy for the open Tribunes office but it has every thing to do with Nova Roma being a nation of laws and not of men.

Both Caius Curius Saturninus and Quintus Bianchius Rufinius BOTH resigned their OFFICE before they resigned their citizenship. Even if the resignation of citizenship was within seconds of resigning their offices it was still second. At the time they resigned their citizenship they were BOTH, and still are FORMER magistrates. Even if they had resigned their citizenship FIRST there is no lex giving them a grace period to get back their offices. The only grace period that is in current Nova Roma law covers citizenship and only citizenship.

If both Caius Curius Saturninus and Quintus Bianchius Rufinius had only resigned their offices would they still be in office? No they would not because a resignation from office is in effect as soon as it is sent.

Actions have consequences and elected officials should be held to a higher standard.

Yesterday was my third anniversary as a citizen of Nova Roma and I love our Res Publica as much as you do Tribune.

I will continue to state my case on this topic even if I am the only one making it or until freedom of speech in Nova Roma is outlawed

Fighting for the rule of law adds to the stability of the Res Publica it does nothing to diminish it.

With respect Tribune

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen Nova Roma
"An election for Tribune must be held"

























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Salvete Omnes,

You're both wrong. London is the greatest city in the history of the
world after Rome.
Now lets not get into an argument over who's city choice is better,
because clearly I'd win! ;-)

Anyway, welcome, Fernando, to Nova Roma. I'm sure the magistrates
will give you any help if you need it. Good luck with your
application!

vale

T. Octavius Salvius

> Thank you so much, milord. =)
> Well, I live in the third greatest city in History after Rome,

São
Paulo. =) By what I have reading at the website, I think could be
more interesting be part of Brasilia and get in touch with some
Brazilian members of Nova Roma.

>
> Fernando
>
> gaiusequitiuscato <mlcinnyc@y...> wrote:
>
>
> G. Equitius Cato F. Henrico Cardozo Silvae S.P.D.
>
> Salve!
>
> I am a resident of the greatest City in the history of the world
> (after Rome) --- New York (Novum Eboracum)! If there's anything I

can

> do to help you get settled, once you've gotten your citizenship,
> please do not hesitate to let me know.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Fernando Henrique Cardozo Silva
> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you so much. Yes, I´m applying citizenship. The request

is
8434.

> > It´s always good meet new faces to. =) Where are you from?
> >
> > Fernando
> >
> > mlcinnyc wrote:
> >
> >
> > G. Equitius Cato F. Hernando Henrico Silvae salutem plurimam

dicit.

> >
> > Salve vir.
> >
> > Welcome to Nova Roma! Are you applying for citizenship? Take a

look

> > around our website:
> >
> > http://www.novaroma.org/main.html
> >
> > and see what we're about. It's always good to see new faces.
> >
> > Vale optime,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Fernando Henrique Cardozo Silva
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve Nova Romans!
> > >
> > > Let me introduce myself. I´m Fernando Cardozo Silva,

Brazilian, 20

> > years old, and It´s honor meeting you.
> > >
> > > Ave!
> > >
> > > F. Cardozo Silva
> > >
> > >
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Salve Honorable Marcvs Flavivs Fides!

I have sent this to the Consuls they ought to be able to help You.

>To Whom it may concern. Since a citizen pointed out I
>am headcount months ago I have sent several checks to
>NR and none have been cashed. Is this personal? Why?
>
>=====
>S P Q R
>
>Fidelis Ad Mortem.
>
>Marcvs Flavivs Fides
>Roman Citizen

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
Proconsul Thules
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Salve Pompeia Minucia Tiberia who said in part


"Somebody actually submitted a candidacy prior to a vacancy being
officially established, in the absence of any call for candidates? I
can understand one 'thinking' about it, but actually submitting his
candidacy?"

There was and is a vacancy that was establish by his resigning his office!

That is why I informed the Tribunes that I would be standing. It was after my post to the Tribunes that it was decided that no vacancy existed.

PMT "A rather presumptuous move on many counts."

TGP A willingness to serve the Res Publica is not a "presumptuous move" its an act of honor.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Citizen of Nova Roma
"An election for Tribune must be held"







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TRIBUNE P. MINIUS ALBUCIUS EDICT (n° 58-9)
ON THE CONVENING OF THE COMITIA PLEBIS TRIBUTA
(Latin text available on demand)


I, Publius Minius Albucius, Tribune of the Plebs, by the authority
vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of Nova Roma,

In view of the Constitution of Nova Roma, specially its article
III.C., IV.7.d2 and IV.A.5,
In view of my Edict 58-6 on the calling for candidates for the
office of Aedile of the Plebs,
In view of my Edict 58-10 on the admissibility of S. Labienus Cicero
candidacy for the office of Aedile of the Plebs,
In view of my Edict 58-8, 17 January 2005, asking the College of the
Priests for taking the auspices in order to know if the Tributes
Comices of the Plebs could take place safely,
Considering that the declaration of candidacy for Aedile of the
Plebs period has ended,

Edicts :


Article 1

The Comitia plebis tributa are convened.


Article 2

The schedule of this comitial session is the following one :

- debates (contio) :

. beginning on January 23, 2005, at 12 :00 Rome time ;
. ending on January 26, 2005, at 12 :00 Rome time.

- vote :

. beginning on January 26, 2005, at 12 :01 Rome time ;
. ending on January 31, 2005, at 12 :01 Rome time.


Article 3

The agenda of this comitial session is the following one :


1. Election of a second Aedile of the Plebs for 2005 (2758 a.u.c.).
The citizens whose candidacy has been legally registered and
accepted are :

- Servius Labienus Cicero


2. Adoption of two laws :

2.1. « Minian law on the aediles of the Plebs (Lex Minia de
aedilibus plebis) » whose draft
text is added below.

2.2. « Minian law on the resignation of citizenship and of office
(Lex Minia de eiuratione
civitatis officiorumque) » whose draft text is added below.


Article 4

The appropriate magistrates of Nova Roma and their departments are
responsible, as far as each one is concerned by the present edict,
for executing it. This edict which will be published in the
Tabularium of Nova Roma.


Issued in Caen, city of the Viducasses, France, this twenty second
day of January, 2005 C.E. (22 January 2758), during the consulate of
Fr. Apulus Caesar and Ga. Popillius Laenas


LAW TEXTS PROPOSED TO ADOPTION (cf article 3.2.1 above)


First text


MINIAN LAW ON THE AEDILES OF THE PLEBS
(LEX MINIA DE AEDILIBUS PLEBIS)


The comitia plebis tributa have adopted by XX votes
against YY with WW abstentions the following text.

Tribune P. Minius Albucius, as presiding magistrate,
promulgates the law in the following terms :


In view of article IV.A.5 of the Constitution of Nova
Roma which creates ordinary magistrates designated as
"Aediles of the Plebs" ;

In view of the Gryllan law on the securing of
magistrates of the Plebs (lex Grylla de securandis
magistratus plebis) of November 14,1999 ;

In view of the Arminian law on the duties of
Aediles of the Plebs (lex Arminia de officiis aedilium
plebis) of June 2, 2004 ;

In view of the Arminian law on the cursus honorum
(lex Arminia de cursu honorum) of June 2, 2004 ;

In view of the Fabian centuriate law (lex Fabia
centuriata) of December 2, 2003 ;

In view of the management and moderation of public
forums ;

In view of the need to specify the functions of these
Aediles in order best to implement the constitutional
rules which concern them ;

In view of the need to strengthen the coherence of the
institutions of the Plebs ;

Whereas a law may not restrict the dispositions
laid down by the Constitution of Nova Roma ;

It is disposed:


Article 1

In the present law, "aedility of the Plebs" means
either the office held by one or more Aediles of the
Plebs (hereinafter called also "Aediles"), or the institution
as a whole, whatever the number of Aediles of the Plebs
in office at a certain time.


Article 2

The Arminian law on the functions of the Aediles of
the Plebs (lex Arminia de officiis aedilium plebis) of
June 2, 2004 is abrogated and replaced by the present
law.

The Arminian law on the cursus honorum (lex
Arminia de cursu honorum) of June 2, 2004 is abrogated
and replaced by the present law.


Article 3

Citizens belonging to the order of the Plebs, and
thus called "plebeians", are the only ones
authorized to stand for the plebeian magistracies
defined by the Constitution of Nova Roma.


Article 4

The only plebeians authorized to stand for the
aedility of the Plebs are those who are able to prove
that they have served for at least one year as Tribune
of the Plebs, quaestor, curator, provincial governor,
or assistant (scribe) to an Aedile of the Plebs. In
the last office, the scribe must be serving at the date
when the comitia are convened for the election of one
or both Aediles of the Plebs.


Article 5

According to the Constitution, Aediles of the Plebs
are fully responsible for the following duties:

- the organization of public games and other festivals, events, and
gatherings ;
- the maintenance of order during public religious events ;
- the management of any public property that the State of Nova Roma
may acquire ;
- the administration of law.

By the present law, Aediles are also entrusted with the two
following duties :

- the management (also called in this special case "ownership") of
the public forums
of the comitia plebis tributa;

- the preservation of the whole legal corpus of Nova Roma, in force
or obsolete, which concerns the Plebs or which has been edicted or
promulgated by magistrates of the Plebs.

For these two duties, the Aediles are directed to maintain a close
collaboration with the Tribunes of the Plebs.


Article 6

Aediles of the Plebs shall exercise their functions
jointly. They may divide up, as they see fit, the
duties that they have to carry out, so as to render the
best public service to the citizens of Nova Roma.

When an election, in the appropriate and duly convened comitia, does
not succeed in filling an aedilician office and then creates a
prolonged vacancy of this office, the Aedile of the Plebs who is
alone in office shall take charge of all the tasks which are
ordinarily entrusted by constitution, laws,
edicts, &c. to both Aediles.


Article 7

According to article 5 above, the Aediles are
responsible for the organization of public games and
other festivals, events, and gatherings.

The public games whose organization is incumbent on
the Aediles of the Plebs are the games of Ceres and
the Plebeian games. Both events are acknowledged as
official games of the Republic of Nova Roma and shall
thus receive the support of all the institutions of
Nova Roma and the financial commitment of the State as
far as necessary.

Aediles of the Plebs shall appoint and organize, as
they see fit, the dates of the games, their length,
and their agenda.

The Aediles shall manage the budget of the games - if
there be one - and make expenditures and receipts
according to the rules defined by any relevant senatus
consultum. The treasury of Nova Roma will reimburse,
upon presentation of proofs of expenditure, all
expenses incurred by the Aediles from their own
pockets.

When the treasury of Nova Roma is asked by the Aediles
to participate in the organization, occurrence,
development, or financing of the games, the Aediles
must create a presentation file which contains :
- an estimated budget for each event, including
expenses and receipts provided for ;
- a summary presentation note accompanying this
budget ;
- any useful additional documents.

This file shall be sent to a Tribune of the Plebs, who
shall immediately convene the Senate, to examine these documents.
The Tribune shall pass this file to the Senate, and may add her /
his own comments.

The Senate shall approve or reject this file. A rejection forbids
the Aediles to organize the games, unless they do it without funds
from Nova Roma. An approval allows the games to be organized at the
expense of the treasury of Nova Roma as
set out in the file. The Senate shall modify, if necessary,
the general budget of Nova Roma in collaboration with the
consular quaestors.

The Aediles shall supervise these events with an eye
to their correct development, their morality, their
dignity, and their respect for the values of Nova
Roma. They shall maintain order at these events.

In case of default or prolonged vacancy of both
Aediles, the Tribunes of the Plebs shall act in
concert with the consuls to ensure that the games take
place. In this case, the curule Aediles may be invited
to take responsibility for the games, but may not be
compelled to do so.


Article 8

According to article 5 above, the Aediles are
responsible for the maintenance of order during public
religious events. They shall thus supervise these
events with an eye to their correct development, their
morality, their dignity, and their respect for the
values of Nova Roma.

The Aediles shall perform this duty in collaboration
with the priestly colleges and their delegates.

This task is to be performed within the limits set
down by the law of Nova Roma and by the laws to which It is
submitted.


Article 9

According to article 4 above, the Aediles are
responsible for the management of any public property
that the State of Nova Roma may acquire.

In the present law, the word "property" means any
personal property or real estate as defined by the law
of Nova Roma or, in the absence of any relevant law of
Nova Roma, as defined by the macronational legal rules of the
place where the property is duly registered.

In the present law, the word "public" signifies
any property, as defined above, acquired by Nova Roma
according to its law, whatever its use.

All public property entrusted to the Aediles is
considered to have been acquired according to the
macronational law of the country where the property is
located or where the contract took place by which Nova
Roma acquired the property.

Any Aedile who suspects that any public property
entrusted to him has been acquired irregularly, as set
out in the paragraph above, may issue a note in which
she / he officially exempts herself / himself from
responsibility, considering the facts which have come
to her / his knowledge.

The Aediles shall present every year to the Senate a
report on the management of the public property
entrusted to them. This report, before it is presented
to the Senate, shall be sent to the Tribunes of the
Plebs and to the consuls, who may add their own
comments. These comments shall be communicated to the
Senate together with the report. The Tribunes of the
Plebs shall convene the Senate for this purpose.

"The Senate shall ratify or reject this report. A
rejection exempts the State from responsibility for
the Aediles' management, and the Aediles must take
responsibility under the law of Nova Roma and any
relevant macronational law."

Exceptionally, even if the term of the Aediles' annual
mandate has been reached, their term may be extended
until their modified report has been approved by the
Senate. This extension is solely to allow the Aediles
to modify the report, and shall not prevent the newly
elected Aediles from entering office and taking up
their duties.


Article 10

According to article 5 above, the Aediles are
responsible for the administration of law.

This responsibility is held concurrently with the
responsibility of other magistrates who have the same
responsibility.


Article 11

According to article 5 above, the Aediles are
responsible for the management (also called in this
special case "ownership") of the public forums of the
comitia plebis tributa.

They shall supervise these forums with an eye to good
behaviour, dignity, and respect for civil rights and
for the values of Nova Roma.

They shall comply with any request by a presiding Tribune of the
Plebs to issue a communication in these forums.

The management of the comitia plebis tributa is the responsibility
of the Tribunes of the Plebs.


Article 12

According to article 5 above, the Aediles are
responsible for the preservation of the whole legal corpus
of Nova Roma, in force or obsolete, which concerns the Plebs or
which has been edicted or promulgated by magistrates of
the Plebs.

This provision concerns obsolete law as well as
current law and does not limit the way in which the
law is compiled (whether individually, by type, in a
codex, &c.)

This duty is to be performed in close collaboration
with the Tribunes of the Plebs.

The Aediles shall comply, within these limits, with
every instruction by a Tribune of the Plebs as well as
with every request by a Tribune of the Plebs for a new
or forgotten document, support or rule, to be inserted.
The Aediles shall communicate to the Tribunes of the Plebs,
on request, all information contained within the collections which
they manage.

In addition to the duty of conserving the plebeian legal corpus,
the Aediles shall take care to provide the citizens of Nova Roma
with the best possible public service by means of access to the
collections which they manage.


Article 13

In order to perform their duties, the Aediles of the
Plebs shall organize their staffs as they see fit.
Like the other magistrates dealt with by the
Constitution of Nova Roma, they may issue edicts,
appoint assistants (scribes) to whom they may delegate
their powers as limited by legal rules, create discussion
forums (also called "lists") whose membership may be,
at their discretion, either public or restricted to
administrative and managerial communication within the
Aediles' staffs.


Article 14

An Aedile of the Plebs may also be a senator under
the conditions set out in the Arminian senatorial
law (lex Arminia senatoria) of June 2, 2004, but shall not, as any
magistrate or office holder defined by the paragraph IV.A. of the
Constitution of Nova Roma, hold at the same time another office
defined in this paragraph.


Article 15

The part of paragraph II.B.1 of the Fabian centuriate
law (lex Fabia centuriata) of December 2, 2003 which
concerns the Aediles of the Plebs is replaced by the following
paragraph :

« II.B.1. MAGISTRATI ORDINARII
If a magistrate only serves part of his term as a suffectus or
resigns his/her office while in office, Past Service points will be
awarded partially. This will be based on two-month increments
rounding down. Current Service points will be awarded for the period
remaining, also based on two-month increments rounding down.
Censor:
30 CP
15 CP (past service)

Consul:
30 CP
15 CP (past service)

Praetor and Tribunus Plebis:
20 CP
10 CP (past service)

Aedilis curulis or plebis
14 CP
7 CP (past service)

Quaestor and Vigintisexvir:
10 CP
5 CP (past service) »



The present law shall be executed as a law of
the Republic of Nova Roma.


Issued in Roma, on [month] [day], 2005/2758 a.u.c.
during the consulate of Fr. Apulus Caesar and Ga. Popillius Laenas

The presiding magistrate,
P. Minius Albucius
Tribune of the Plebs



Second text


MINIAN LAW ON THE RESIGNATION OF CITIZENSHIP AND OF OFFICE
(LEX MINIA DE EIURATIONE CIVITATIS OFFICIORUMQUE)


The comitia plebis tributa have adopted by XX votes
against YY with WW abstentions the following text.

Tribune P. Minius Albucius, as presiding magistrate,
promulgates the law in the following terms:


In view of the Constitution of Nova Roma, specifically
its paragraph II.A.4 ;

In view of the Cornelian Marian law on the
resignation of citizenship (lex Cornelia Maria de
civitate eiuranda) of May 20, 2001 specifically its
first and second paragraphs ;

In view of the need to clarify the conditions of
resignation of citizenship and of office in Nova Roma ;


It is disposed :



Article 1

The first (I) and second (II) paragraphs of the
Cornelian Marian law on the resignation of
citizenship (lex Cornelia Maria de civitate eiuranda)
of May 20, 2001are replaced by the following ones :

« I. Resignation of citizenship from Nova Roma, as
stated in paragraph II.A.4 of the constitution of Nova
Roma, is made either by notification to the censors, or
by a message posted to an official Nova Roma e-mail
list or electronic message board.

The information then communicated must make clear, from
the citizen willing to resign of her/his novaroman citizenship,
her/his clear intent to do it.

If the citizen specifies a future date from which her / his
resignation shall become effective, the following rules will apply :

a) if this date is more than eight (8) days after the
day when the notification is sent, the resignation
will be effective from this date specified ;

b) if this date is fewer than eight (8) days after the
day when the notification is sent, the resignation
will be effective from the ninth day after the day
when the notification is sent, regardless of the date
specified.

If the citizen does not specify a date for her / his
resignation, the resignation becomes effective on the
ninth day after the day when the notification is sent.

This eight day period is called, for the purpose of the
present law, « the nundinum ».

The resignation may be published through a message
posted either to the e-mail "Main List" of Nova Roma,
or to another official e-mail list or electronic message
board of Nova Roma.

A message of resignation posted to the e-mail "Main
List" of Nova Roma is considered, because of the large
membership of this list, to be communicated to many
citizens. Accordingly, the nundinum shall begin
immediately from the registered posting date of the
resignation message.

If a message of resignation is posted to another
official e-mail list or electronic message board, the
nundinum shall begin as soon as the message has been
followed, in the chronological list of the messages
sent to the list or board in question, by at least
three messages posted by three different citizens.

A resignation communicated verbally or in writing to
the censors must be published by them on the "Main
List" of Nova Roma no more than 18 hours after they
received it. In doing so, the censors shall also state
the date and hour when they received the resignation,
and the nundinum shall begin from this date and hour.

In the present law :

- "date" and "day" mean the calendar date of the
action in question and its hour, if the hour is known ;

- periods of time, as for example the nundinum, are to
be counted from the date and hour in question.


« II. The nundinum allows the resigning citizen to
withdraw his or her resignation. During it, the
resigning citizen keeps all her / his rights of citizenship.
When the nundinum ends, the person in question
automatically loses her / his citizenship if she / he has not
previously withdrawn her / hisresignation.

The citizen in question may, during the nundinum,
freely withdraw her / his resignation without penalty, except
as defined in the third paragraph of this law.
This withdrawal must take the form of a message posted to the e-
mail "Main List" of Nova Roma making clear the decision of the
citizen to withdraw her / his former resignation.
The subject of this message, written in capital letters, must be :
"RESIGNATION WITHDRAWAL". A citizen who does not
follow these formal rules is considered not to have withdrawn her /
his resignation.

During the nundinum, a citizen who has declared her / his
resignation also keeps all her / his duties toward the Res publica.
Thus a citizen who holds at that time one or more public office(s),
honour(s), or distinction(s) shall retain this (these) and continue
to perform her / his duties as normal.

A citizen who does not perform her / his public duties
during the nundinum shall receive, during this period
or after its end, if the citizen in question is still in default, an
admonition. This admonition shall be issued by edict by her / his
magistrate if the citizen is an apparitor, or, in the case of other
positions provided for by the constitution of Nova Roma, by one of
the censors or, if the citizen in question holds a
collegial magistracy (one which she / he holds with at least one
other citizen), by one of her / his colleagues.

A citizen who withdraws her / his resignation as provided by this
law but who receives such an admonition must request authorization
to resume office. Authorization may only be granted by the agreement
of both censors together with all the
citizen's colleagues in office.

If any one of these magistrates does not agree to give
authorization, the citizen in question is considered to have
resigned her / his office. This authorization must be issued by
edict within eight days from the request of the citizen.
If no authorization is given within these eight days, the request is
considered to have been rejected, and the citizen in question is
considered to have resigned her / his office.

If by the means mentioned in the present law a citizen is considered
to have resigned her / his office, an election to fill the vacancy
thus created shall be organized as soon as
possible by the appropriate magistrates. »


The present law shall be executed as a law of
the Republic of Nova Roma.


Issued in Roma, on [month] [day], 2005/2758 a.u.c.
during the consulate of Fr. Apulus Caesar and Ga. Popillius Laenas

The presiding magistrate,
P. Minius Albucius
Tribune of the Plebs

---Salve Galerius Paulinus:

Thank you for the information.

Suddenly this is all beginning to have more rhyme and reason to me
in the grand scheme of things. Nothing personal, but I continue the
praise the application of this lex to date, and the current
appreciation of same by the majority of Tribunes.

Next year, maybe.
Pompeia




In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy P. Gallagher" <spqr753@m...>
wrote:

> Salve Pompeia Minucia Tiberia who said in part
>
>
> "Somebody actually submitted a candidacy prior to a vacancy being
> officially established, in the absence of any call for candidates?

I

> can understand one 'thinking' about it, but actually submitting

his

> candidacy?"
>
> There was and is a vacancy that was establish by his resigning his

office!

>
> That is why I informed the Tribunes that I would be standing. It

was after my post to the Tribunes that it was decided that no
vacancy existed.

>
> PMT "A rather presumptuous move on many counts."
>
> TGP A willingness to serve the Res Publica is not

a "presumptuous move" its an act of honor.

>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Citizen of Nova Roma
> "An election for Tribune must be held"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve T. Octavi Salvi,

Well my father who worked there for 15 years off and on always quoted
Sammuel Johnson (1709-1784) - when you are tired of London you are
tired of life. Even after so many years away from there I still have
great vivid memories from my childhood.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "t_octavius_salvius" <fin37@h...>
wrote:

>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> You're both wrong. London is the greatest city in the history of

the

> world after Rome.
> Now lets not get into an argument over who's city choice is better,
> because clearly I'd win! ;-)
>
> Anyway, welcome, Fernando, to Nova Roma. I'm sure the magistrates
> will give you any help if you need it. Good luck with your
> application!
>
> vale
>
> T. Octavius Salvius
>
>
>
> > Thank you so much, milord. =)
> > Well, I live in the third greatest city in History after Rome,
> São
> Paulo. =) By what I have reading at the website, I think could be
> more interesting be part of Brasilia and get in touch with some
> Brazilian members of Nova Roma.
> >
> > Fernando
> >
> > gaiusequitiuscato <mlcinnyc@y...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > G. Equitius Cato F. Henrico Cardozo Silvae S.P.D.
> >
> > Salve!
> >
> > I am a resident of the greatest City in the history of the world
> > (after Rome) --- New York (Novum Eboracum)! If there's anything I
> can
> > do to help you get settled, once you've gotten your citizenship,
> > please do not hesitate to let me know.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Fernando Henrique Cardozo Silva
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Thank you so much. Yes, I´m applying citizenship. The request
> is
> 8434.
> > > It´s always good meet new faces to. =) Where are you from?
> > >
> > > Fernando
> > >
> > > mlcinnyc wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > G. Equitius Cato F. Hernando Henrico Silvae salutem plurimam
> dicit.
> > >
> > > Salve vir.
> > >
> > > Welcome to Nova Roma! Are you applying for citizenship? Take a
> look
> > > around our website:
> > >
> > > http://www.novaroma.org/main.html
> > >
> > > and see what we're about. It's always good to see new faces.
> > >
> > > Vale optime,
> > >
> > > Cato
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Fernando Henrique Cardozo

Silva

> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Salve Nova Romans!
> > > >
> > > > Let me introduce myself. I´m Fernando Cardozo Silva,
> Brazilian, 20
> > > years old, and It´s honor meeting you.
> > > >
> > > > Ave!
> > > >
> > > > F. Cardozo Silva
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > Yahoo! Acesso Grátis - Internet rápida e grátis.
> Instale o
> discador
> > > do Yahoo! agora.
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Yahoo! Acesso Grátis - Internet rápida e grátis. Instale
> o
> discador
> > do Yahoo! agora.
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
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> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete,

after a long time of inactivity, I just put back on tracks "Apollonia Acta" which is a
simple blog that presents some latest news about Roman archeology. Along English, I added
some news in French, Italian and Spanish. I will publish on this blog as I browse around,
so do not hesitate to come back often. I hope it will be useful.

http://www.fr-novaroma.com/Archeology/

Valete,

Sextus Apollonius Scipio



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Salve,

I've only ever been to London twice, but I really love the city.
I like to visit cities in general (New York, Florence, Venice, to
name some from the past few years), but London will always be number
1....


....unless of course you count Las Vegas!

vale

Salvius

>
> Salve T. Octavi Salvi,
>
> Well my father who worked there for 15 years off and on always

quoted

> Sammuel Johnson (1709-1784) - when you are tired of London you are
> tired of life. Even after so many years away from there I still

have

> great vivid memories from my childhood.
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "t_octavius_salvius"

<fin37@h...>

> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete Omnes,
> >
> > You're both wrong. London is the greatest city in the history of
> the
> > world after Rome.
> > Now lets not get into an argument over who's city choice is

better,

> > because clearly I'd win! ;-)
> >
> > Anyway, welcome, Fernando, to Nova Roma. I'm sure the

magistrates

> > will give you any help if you need it. Good luck with your
> > application!
> >
> > vale
> >
> > T. Octavius Salvius
> >
> >
> >
> > > Thank you so much, milord. =)
> > > Well, I live in the third greatest city in History after Rome,
> > São
> > Paulo. =) By what I have reading at the website, I think could

be

> > more interesting be part of Brasilia and get in touch with some
> > Brazilian members of Nova Roma.
> > >
> > > Fernando
> > >
> > > gaiusequitiuscato <mlcinnyc@y...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > G. Equitius Cato F. Henrico Cardozo Silvae S.P.D.
> > >
> > > Salve!
> > >
> > > I am a resident of the greatest City in the history of the

world

> > > (after Rome) --- New York (Novum Eboracum)! If there's

anything I

> > can
> > > do to help you get settled, once you've gotten your

citizenship,

> > > please do not hesitate to let me know.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Cato
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Fernando Henrique Cardozo

Silva

> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thank you so much. Yes, I´m applying citizenship. The request
> > is
> > 8434.
> > > > It´s always good meet new faces to. =) Where are you from?
> > > >
> > > > Fernando
> > > >
> > > > mlcinnyc wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > G. Equitius Cato F. Hernando Henrico Silvae salutem plurimam
> > dicit.
> > > >
> > > > Salve vir.
> > > >
> > > > Welcome to Nova Roma! Are you applying for citizenship? Take

a

> > look
> > > > around our website:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.novaroma.org/main.html
> > > >
> > > > and see what we're about. It's always good to see new faces.
> > > >
> > > > Vale optime,
> > > >
> > > > Cato
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Fernando Henrique Cardozo
> Silva
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Salve Nova Romans!
> > > > >
> > > > > Let me introduce myself. I´m Fernando Cardozo Silva,
> > Brazilian, 20
> > > > years old, and It´s honor meeting you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ave!
> > > > >
> > > > > F. Cardozo Silva
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > > Yahoo! Acesso Grátis - Internet rápida e grátis.
> > Instale o
> > discador
> > > > do Yahoo! agora.
> > > > >
> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > > Yahoo! Acesso Grátis - Internet rápida e grátis. Instale
> > o
> > discador
> > > do Yahoo! agora.
> > > >
> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Yahoo! Acesso Grátis - Internet rápida e grátis. Instale o
> > discador do Yahoo! agora.
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@c...> wrote:
(..)

>> Timothy P. Gallagher wrote:
>>
>> Salve Romans
>>
>> Last week I posted a couple of questions to any and all
>> magistrates about citizenship and have only had one answer
>> and that from a former Consul.

> In fact, you addressed your question to those former magistrates
>who had been in office at or before the time of the change. I
>think that most current magistrates were not even in Nova Roma
>then, and therefore didn't feel it appropriate to speculate about
>the past we were not a part of. Since there is no clear policy
>statement in the Tabularium, it would be quite impossible for those
>who were not yet in the organization to answer the question
>authoritatively.

I could not have said it better. I had not the chance to be among
you all at this respectful time.

>> Is it asking to much for the Magistrates of Nova Roma to answer
>> theses two questions?

> It is in the cases of those magistrates who have no direct
>knowledge of the situation, yes. The Lex Cornelia et Maria was
>the first codification of a policy.

In addition of that, you will find, dear Galerius, in the agenda of
the CPT that I have just convened, some draft law "de eiuratione
civitatis officiorumque" which will give you my state of mind and
bring you a (beginning of) answer to your questioning.

Vale, Tribunus.

scr. Cadomago, civ. Viducassium, Gallia,
a.d. X Kal. Feb. MMDCCLVIII a.u.c.

P. Minius Albucius
Tribunus Plebis

P. Minius Albucius S. Apollonio Scipioni s.d.

S.V.G.E.R.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Sextus Apollonius Scipio
<scipio_apollonius@y...> wrote:

> Salvete,
>
> after a long time of inactivity, I just put back on

tracks "Apollonia Acta" which is a simple blog that presents some
latest news about Roman archeology. (..)


Congratulations for your intersting page, amice !
Happy to read you back in our forum !

Optime vale,

scr. Cadomago, civ. Viducassium, Gallia,
a.d. XI Kal. Feb. MMDCCLVIII a.u.c.


Publius Minius Albucius

Salve Censor and Tribune

"In fact, you addressed your question to those former magistrates who had been in office at or before the time of the change...."

If you read my post # 32540 I did in fact address it in the subject line : Legal questions for our magistrates.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

******************************************************************************************


From: "Timothy P. Gallagher" <spqr753@m...<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/post?postID=BKS2mdLzP1-uWNKSRo-w5iWODT3q5lxGtH3SuRVOrmBHmqKBTfudP66p8SDAsyvSXVwgM-ekAQ>>
Date: Sun Jan 16, 2005 2:08 pm
Subject: Legal questions for our magistrates




Salve Romans


Before the adoption of the Lex Cornelia et Maria de civitate eiuranda on May 20
2754 (2001), when did a resignation of a citizen become official ?

Was there any grace period before the one establish in the Lex Cornelia et Maria
de civitate eiuranda?


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
"An election for Tribune must be held"

----- Original Message -----
From: Publius Minius Albucius<mailto:albucius_aoe@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 6:42 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Legal Questions for our Magistrates: second posting



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@c<mailto:gawne@c>...> wrote:
(..)
>> Timothy P. Gallagher wrote:
>>
>> Salve Romans
>>
>> Last week I posted a couple of questions to any and all
>> magistrates about citizenship and have only had one answer
>> and that from a former Consul.

> In fact, you addressed your question to those former magistrates
>who had been in office at or before the time of the change. I
>think that most current magistrates were not even in Nova Roma
>then, and therefore didn't feel it appropriate to speculate about
>the past we were not a part of. Since there is no clear policy
>statement in the Tabularium, it would be quite impossible for those
>who were not yet in the organization to answer the question
>authoritatively.


I could not have said it better. I had not the chance to be among
you all at this respectful time.


>> Is it asking to much for the Magistrates of Nova Roma to answer
>> theses two questions?

> It is in the cases of those magistrates who have no direct
>knowledge of the situation, yes. The Lex Cornelia et Maria was
>the first codification of a policy.

In addition of that, you will find, dear Galerius, in the agenda of
the CPT that I have just convened, some draft law "de eiuratione
civitatis officiorumque" which will give you my state of mind and
bring you a (beginning of) answer to your questioning.

Vale, Tribunus.

scr. Cadomago, civ. Viducassium, Gallia,
a.d. X Kal. Feb. MMDCCLVIII a.u.c.

P. Minius Albucius
Tribunus Plebis










[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Ave,

First I will address what I have said on the Main List in regards to the subject of "emancipation". Secondly I will address my serving as moderator on the Main List and the fact that I have had my integrity questioned. All this should clarify and answer Po's post titled: "Fwd: [Nova-Roma] Re: Emancipation (Clarification Requested from Moderator)".

Firstly, I've been clearly accused of telling "anyone else they are not entitled to opinions." Yet I never explicitly stated that citizens are not allowed opinions. The point was missed entirely here. I said that citizens should not be pushed in any one direction. From the start of the "Emanicpation" subject citizens were urging other citizens to emancipate. I also said that the citizens should be allowed to make the decision FOR THEMSELVES rather than someone telling them what to do. I also said that the citizens should evaluate their situation for themselves and decide what was the best course of action. This is certainly not telling anyone they cannot have an opinion. There is a huge difference bewteen saying "Please Emancipate Yourselves" (Maior, post#32683), "So do go ahead and send in an Emancipation notice!" (Troianus, post#32688), "I believe emancipation is good because..." For my own words on this:

"Everyone DOES NOT need to emancipate en masse just because it was urged." -- post 32720

"This is why I am not telling them what to do. I have expressed my
opinion, view it as you will, against an en masse emancipation as being unnecessary but have neither urged them to make one decsion or another." -- post 32720

"It is up to each individual cive who is in the potestas of another cive to evaluate their own situation and what is in their best interests as an individual cive." -- post 32717

"They don't need to be urged to emancipate." -- post 32717

"But I simply don't believe people should be urged." -- post 32717

"This is why people need to make the decision for themselves on which avenue to pursue without being nudged in any direction." -- post 32744

"Let the citizens decide for themselves they don't need to be pushed along by anyone." -- post 32746

Those are my words. I never told any citizen to emanicpate themselves. I believe the citizens of Nova Roma to be intelligent enough to decide for themselves based on their own situation whether or not they should emancipate themselves. I will not publicly urge or push any citizen to to make any decision for themselves simply based off of what I believe. It is up to each citizen of Nova Roma to decide whether they wish to emancipate themselves before the January 29 deadline.

Now, onto the more important matter of my integrity and my ability to responsibly carry out the responsibilities placed upon me as a moderator on the Main List. What Pompeia Minucia-Tiberia does first (the opinions aspect covered above) is introduce a missing post she could not find, which I have no knowledge of, into a post concerning me. If she could not find it, and what seems to be an insuation that it was deleted, the fact it has nothing to do with me, why was the piece of information included? Are you suggesting I deleted it? If the answer is yes, then you better have so rock solid evidence to support such a claim. It is also suggested that I am violating a citizens rights to freedom of speech. In fact apparently I am doing this to only one citizen. Sounds pretty Stalinist to me.

I'm sorry to burst the bubble here but I have violated no citizens rights. As to my opinions, providing facts, and not pushing people in any direction...here is a fact. Post# 32717 I was responding to Troianus and told him, " They should've, FROM MY PoV, be told you have till X date to decide whether you wish to emancipate, and here's the deal regardless what you choose here are the results and provide necessary information from relevent legislation." Pompeia Minucia-Tiberia did not enter until post 32725. So is she the first I told this too? Nope.

However, there is a far reaching difference between me expressing my opinion on the Main List as a private citizen and me acting in official capacity using the responsibilities one has as a Moderator to do the job. I have freely expressed my opinions as a private citizen and I have been a moderator for a brief period so far. I however, HAVE NEVER used any responsibility bestowed upon me to infringe upon the guaranteed freedoms and rights of any citizen of Nova Roma. When I am asked to do a job I do it and I do it right. I do not care what your beliefs are. I don't care what you say or feel. If you ask me to do a job I simply do it WITHOUT BIAS.

Frankly m'am I find it offensive that you even suggest I am using my position to infringe upon anyone's rights. That is a charge without grounds. I also feel that missing post you refer to has nothing to do with me and it had no place in your letter. I will also say that unless instructed by the man who appointed me as moderator I will not delete ANY POST. That is all I have to offer on this subject.

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OSD G. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

"I was in love with New York. I do not mean 'love' in any colloquial
way, I mean that I was in love with the city, the way you love the
first person who ever touches you and never love anyone quite that way
again." - Joan Didion

"New York is a fabulous place. The whole population, all 20 millions
of them, should be investigated by a committee for being so jolly." -
Brendan Behan


OVERHEARD AT THE PORT AUTHORITY:

"...and they were like, it's gonna cost sixty, but you get the this,
and the that, and for sixty five, you can also get the other thing. I
was like, 'I'll just have the chicken.' "

OVERHEARD IN WASHINGTON SQUARE PARK:

"...yeah, I passed out with one shoe, but when I woke up they were
both gone!"

OVERHEARD AT 3rd AVE and 12th STREET:

"Excuse me sir, can I bum a ciga...oh, you're smoking a joint."



New York! Beacon of everything magnificent and glorious in human
achievement!

Vivat Novum Eboracum!

Valete,

Cato

Thanks Octavius Salvius.

Fernando
PS. São Paulo is the greatest one in fact. =)

t_octavius_salvius <fin37@...> wrote:


Salvete Omnes,

You're both wrong. London is the greatest city in the history of the
world after Rome.
Now lets not get into an argument over who's city choice is better,
because clearly I'd win! ;-)

Anyway, welcome, Fernando, to Nova Roma. I'm sure the magistrates
will give you any help if you need it. Good luck with your
application!

vale

T. Octavius Salvius

> Thank you so much, milord. =)
> Well, I live in the third greatest city in History after Rome,

São
Paulo. =) By what I have reading at the website, I think could be
more interesting be part of Brasilia and get in touch with some
Brazilian members of Nova Roma.

>
> Fernando
>
> gaiusequitiuscato wrote:
>
>
> G. Equitius Cato F. Henrico Cardozo Silvae S.P.D.
>
> Salve!
>
> I am a resident of the greatest City in the history of the world
> (after Rome) --- New York (Novum Eboracum)! If there's anything I

can

> do to help you get settled, once you've gotten your citizenship,
> please do not hesitate to let me know.
>
> Vale,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Fernando Henrique Cardozo Silva
> wrote:
> >
> > Thank you so much. Yes, I´m applying citizenship. The request

is
8434.

> > It´s always good meet new faces to. =) Where are you from?
> >
> > Fernando
> >
> > mlcinnyc wrote:
> >
> >
> > G. Equitius Cato F. Hernando Henrico Silvae salutem plurimam

dicit.

> >
> > Salve vir.
> >
> > Welcome to Nova Roma! Are you applying for citizenship? Take a

look

> > around our website:
> >
> > http://www.novaroma.org/main.html
> >
> > and see what we're about. It's always good to see new faces.
> >
> > Vale optime,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Fernando Henrique Cardozo Silva
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Salve Nova Romans!
> > >
> > > Let me introduce myself. I´m Fernando Cardozo Silva,

Brazilian, 20

> > years old, and It´s honor meeting you.
> > >
> > > Ave!
> > >
> > > F. Cardozo Silva
> > >
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On Jan 22, 2005, at 5:01 AM, AthanasiosofSpfd@... wrote:
> I find it pretty pathetic that a person finds their life suddenly in
> such crisis that they have to resign office,

Haven't these people ever heard of the "Leave of Absence"?
Really. Horrible crisis comes up: Why resign? Isn't that when you
need your friends the most?
He could have just said "Something has happened and I cannot fulfill my
duties for the next couple of months," or for however long it takes.
Someone can take up the slack.
Resign Citizenship? Why? Just post "Something has come up and I'll be
unavailable for three months" - people go inactive all the time without
resigning.
Quitting on a commitment is not respectable, but taking time off is
perfectly understandable.
Treating one's friends and fellow Citizens as if they couldn't
understand is somewhat insulting: We all know what it's like to have
crisis in our personal lives.
I hope in the future we will see Citizens show greater reluctance in
resigning their Office and Citizenship, and consider instead simply
taking some time off. Things happen - we'll understand the need.

Vale et valete
- S E M Troianus

Overheard in Highway Patrol #4260 at the c/o Madison
Ave and 42 street as pedestrians ignore thier sirens
and cross the street. Sgt- I hate this #@?!ing city
--- mlcinnyc@... <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:

>
> OSD G. Equitius Cato
>
> Salvete omnes!
>
> "I was in love with New York. I do not mean 'love'

in any colloquial

> way, I mean that I was in love with the city, the

way you love the

> first person who ever touches you and never love

anyone quite that way

> again." - Joan Didion
>
> "New York is a fabulous place. The whole population,

all 20 millions

> of them, should be investigated by a committee for

being so jolly." -

> Brendan Behan
>
>
> OVERHEARD AT THE PORT AUTHORITY:
>
> "...and they were like, it's gonna cost sixty, but

you get the this,

> and the that, and for sixty five, you can also get

the other thing. I

> was like, 'I'll just have the chicken.' "
>
> OVERHEARD IN WASHINGTON SQUARE PARK:
>
> "...yeah, I passed out with one shoe, but when I

woke up they were

> both gone!"
>
> OVERHEARD AT 3rd AVE and 12th STREET:
>
> "Excuse me sir, can I bum a ciga...oh, you're

smoking a joint."

>
>
>
> New York! Beacon of everything magnificent and

glorious in human

> achievement!
>
> Vivat Novum Eboracum!
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>
>
>

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Maybe someone found out about his citizenshipthat
wasnt supposed to. My ex wife is fanatically x-tian,
she demanded I resign because Romans worship the devil
--- hermeticagnosis@...
<hermeticagnosis@...> wrote:

> Salve Athanaseus, et salvete omnes -
> On Jan 22, 2005, at 5:01 AM,

AthanasiosofSpfd@... wrote:

> > I find it pretty pathetic that a person finds

their life suddenly in

> > such crisis that they have to resign office,
>
> Haven't these people ever heard of the "Leave of

Absence"?

> Really. Horrible crisis comes up: Why resign?

Isn't that when you

> need your friends the most?
> He could have just said "Something has happened and

I cannot fulfill my

> duties for the next couple of months," or for

however long it takes.

> Someone can take up the slack.
> Resign Citizenship? Why? Just post "Something has

come up and I'll be

> unavailable for three months" - people go inactive

all the time without

> resigning.
> Quitting on a commitment is not respectable, but

taking time off is

> perfectly understandable.
> Treating one's friends and fellow Citizens as if

they couldn't

> understand is somewhat insulting: We all know what

it's like to have

> crisis in our personal lives.
> I hope in the future we will see Citizens show

greater reluctance in

> resigning their Office and Citizenship, and consider

instead simply

> taking some time off. Things happen - we'll

understand the need.

>
> Vale et valete
> - S E M Troianus
>

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Ha ha ha !!!
So just how much is the NYC Chamber of Commerce and NYC Board of
Tourism paying you to promote the city?

Vale
- Troianus

On Jan 22, 2005, at 7:16 PM, gaiusequitiuscato wrote:

>
>
> OSD G. Equitius Cato
>
> Salvete omnes!
>
> "I was in love with New York. I do not mean 'love' in any colloquial
> way, I mean that I was in love with the city, the way you love the
> first person who ever touches you and never love anyone quite that way
> again." - Joan Didion
>
> "New York is a fabulous place. The whole population, all 20 millions
> of them, should be investigated by a committee for being so jolly." -
> Brendan Behan
>
>
> OVERHEARD AT THE PORT AUTHORITY:
>
> "...and they were like, it's gonna cost sixty, but you get the this,
> and the that, and for sixty five, you can also get the other thing. I
> was like, 'I'll just have the chicken.' "
>
> OVERHEARD IN WASHINGTON SQUARE PARK:
>
> "...yeah, I passed out with one shoe, but when I woke up they were
> both gone!"
>
> OVERHEARD AT 3rd AVE and 12th STREET:
>
> "Excuse me sir, can I bum a ciga...oh, you're smoking a joint."
>
>
>
> New York! Beacon of everything magnificent and glorious in human
> achievement!
>
> Vivat Novum Eboracum!
>
> Valete,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Salve

Perhaps something like that could have occurred, in which case we would
understand why he had to leave Office for the sake of peace in his
household. This, though, was handled poorly, with little
consideration.
About the kindest thing I can think of to say is: Well, at least he
wasn't one of those who left without warning and without a trace At
least we know we can fill the office after nine days, instead of
waiting ninety.

Vale
- Troianus

On Jan 22, 2005, at 7:48 PM, raymond fuentes wrote:

>
> Maybe someone found out about his citizenshipthat
> wasnt supposed to. My ex wife is fanatically x-tian,
> she demanded I resign because Romans worship the devil
> --- hermeticagnosis@...
> <hermeticagnosis@...> wrote:
>> Salve Athanaseus, et salvete omnes -
>> On Jan 22, 2005, at 5:01 AM,
> AthanasiosofSpfd@... wrote:
>>> I find it pretty pathetic that a person finds
> their life suddenly in
>>> such crisis that they have to resign office,
>>
>> Haven't these people ever heard of the "Leave of
> Absence"?
>> Really. Horrible crisis comes up: Why resign?
> Isn't that when you
>> need your friends the most?
>> He could have just said "Something has happened and
> I cannot fulfill my
>> duties for the next couple of months," or for
> however long it takes.
>> Someone can take up the slack.
>> Resign Citizenship? Why? Just post "Something has
> come up and I'll be
>> unavailable for three months" - people go inactive
> all the time without
>> resigning.
>> Quitting on a commitment is not respectable, but
> taking time off is
>> perfectly understandable.
>> Treating one's friends and fellow Citizens as if
> they couldn't
>> understand is somewhat insulting: We all know what
> it's like to have
>> crisis in our personal lives.
>> I hope in the future we will see Citizens show
> greater reluctance in
>> resigning their Office and Citizenship, and consider
> instead simply
>> taking some time off. Things happen - we'll
> understand the need.
>>
>> Vale et valete
>> - S E M Troianus
>>
>
>
> =====
> S P Q R
>
> Fidelis Ad Mortem.
>
> Marcvs Flavivs Fides
> Roman Citizen
>
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No, Cornelianus: You did *not* encourage people to think for themselves
as you'd like to claim you did. You urged them in the strongest
possible terms *not* to emancipate themselves - I quote your full text
below. Look over your own words, and tell me just where you encouraged
people to consider their own circumstances and what would be best for
them.

Vale
- Troianus

Gn. Julius Caesar Cornelianus wrote:

This very idea is insanity. To ask everyone to emancipate
themselves is chaotic and is also counterproductive. It serves no good
in Nova Roma to have every citizen who is currently considered alieni
iuris to emancipate themselves to "retain their full legal competence
and sui iuris status." What is the end result of this? What will
happen in Nova Roma as a result of mass emancipation?

The end result is the dissolving of each familia. Any familia
that currently exists will be dissolved. Each individual member of a
familia will cease to be a member of that familia. They then will go
on to be a mater/pater of their own familia. But what are they to be
head of? No one will be in their potestas. Being of alienis iuris
status you have certain benefits afforded you that your mater/pater
does not have. Being in that individuals potestas affords you a
certain protection. Its your mater/pater who pays the price for your
wrongs and liabilities. Not you. But you have just as much freedom as
they do. For those who seek an active life in Nova Roma in the
political arena: "IV. Though citizens who are alieni iuris may run for
office and vote..."

The familia is the basic building block in Nova Roma. Where
people can first come to meet members of their own familia. They can
also start their to meet their fellow familia members and expand
elsewhere to meet cives. This leads to the development of friendships
and adds enjoyment to the experience here in Nova Roma. This mass
emancipation proposal is just downright farsical. What is to be
accomplsihed by urging citzens to claim their sui iuris status? It's
going to created many new mater's/pater's of nothing.

I hope the citzens out there of alieni iuris staus don't just jump
at the idea of emancipation. Unless you truly wish to be the
mater/pater of your own familia don't waste your time. There is no
great benefit in being emancipated. You can freely voice your opinion
in the public forum (just as anyone of sui iuris status) and you can
run for office (just as anyone of sui iuris status). There is no need
for this urge for everyone to emancipate themselves.

On Jan 22, 2005, at 7:09 PM, Gn. Julius Caesar Cornelianus wrote:

>
>
> Ave,
>
> First I will address what I have said on the Main List in
> regards to the subject of "emancipation". Secondly I will address my
> serving as moderator on the Main List and the fact that I have had my
> integrity questioned. All this should clarify and answer Po's post
> titled: "Fwd: [Nova-Roma] Re: Emancipation (Clarification Requested
> from Moderator)".
>
> Firstly, I've been clearly accused of telling "anyone else they
> are not entitled to opinions." Yet I never explicitly stated that
> citizens are not allowed opinions. The point was missed entirely
> here. I said that citizens should not be pushed in any one direction.
> From the start of the "Emanicpation" subject citizens were urging
> other citizens to emancipate. I also said that the citizens should be
> allowed to make the decision FOR THEMSELVES rather than someone
> telling them what to do. I also said that the citizens should
> evaluate their situation for themselves and decide what was the best
> course of action. This is certainly not telling anyone they cannot
> have an opinion. There is a huge difference bewteen saying "Please
> Emancipate Yourselves" (Maior, post#32683), "So do go ahead and send
> in an Emancipation notice!" (Troianus, post#32688), "I believe
> emancipation is good because..." For my own words on this:
>
> "Everyone DOES NOT need to emancipate en masse just because it was
> urged." -- post 32720
>
> "This is why I am not telling them what to do. I have expressed my
> opinion, view it as you will, against an en masse emancipation as
> being unnecessary but have neither urged them to make one decsion or
> another." -- post 32720
>
> "It is up to each individual cive who is in the potestas of another
> cive to evaluate their own situation and what is in their best
> interests as an individual cive." -- post 32717
>
> "They don't need to be urged to emancipate." -- post 32717
>
> "But I simply don't believe people should be urged." -- post 32717
>
> "This is why people need to make the decision for themselves on which
> avenue to pursue without being nudged in any direction." -- post 32744
>
> "Let the citizens decide for themselves they don't need to be pushed
> along by anyone." -- post 32746
>
> Those are my words. I never told any citizen to emanicpate
> themselves. I believe the citizens of Nova Roma to be intelligent
> enough to decide for themselves based on their own situation whether
> or not they should emancipate themselves. I will not publicly urge or
> push any citizen to to make any decision for themselves simply based
> off of what I believe. It is up to each citizen of Nova Roma to
> decide whether they wish to emancipate themselves before the January
> 29 deadline.
>
> Now, onto the more important matter of my integrity and my ability to
> responsibly carry out the responsibilities placed upon me as a
> moderator on the Main List. What Pompeia Minucia-Tiberia does first
> (the opinions aspect covered above) is introduce a missing post she
> could not find, which I have no knowledge of, into a post concerning
> me. If she could not find it, and what seems to be an insuation that
> it was deleted, the fact it has nothing to do with me, why was the
> piece of information included? Are you suggesting I deleted it? If
> the answer is yes, then you better have so rock solid evidence to
> support such a claim. It is also suggested that I am violating a
> citizens rights to freedom of speech. In fact apparently I am doing
> this to only one citizen. Sounds pretty Stalinist to me.
>
> I'm sorry to burst the bubble here but I have violated no citizens
> rights. As to my opinions, providing facts, and not pushing people in
> any direction...here is a fact. Post# 32717 I was responding to
> Troianus and told him, " They should've, FROM MY PoV, be told you have
> till X date to decide whether you wish to emancipate, and here's the
> deal regardless what you choose here are the results and provide
> necessary information from relevent legislation." Pompeia
> Minucia-Tiberia did not enter until post 32725. So is she the first I
> told this too? Nope.
>
> However, there is a far reaching difference between me expressing my
> opinion on the Main List as a private citizen and me acting in
> official capacity using the responsibilities one has as a Moderator to
> do the job. I have freely expressed my opinions as a private citizen
> and I have been a moderator for a brief period so far. I however,
> HAVE NEVER used any responsibility bestowed upon me to infringe upon
> the guaranteed freedoms and rights of any citizen of Nova Roma. When
> I am asked to do a job I do it and I do it right. I do not care what
> your beliefs are. I don't care what you say or feel. If you ask me
> to do a job I simply do it WITHOUT BIAS.
>
> Frankly m'am I find it offensive that you even suggest I am using my
> position to infringe upon anyone's rights. That is a charge without
> grounds. I also feel that missing post you refer to has nothing to do
> with me and it had no place in your letter. I will also say that
> unless instructed by the man who appointed me as moderator I will not
> delete ANY POST. That is all I have to offer on this subject.
>
> Gn. iulius Caesar
> Cornelianus
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In a message dated 1/22/05 4:10:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
spqr753@... writes:

"In fact, you addressed your question to those former magistrates who had
been in office at or before the time of the change...."

If you read my post # 32540 I did in fact address it in the subject line :
Legal questions for our magistrates.




I missed the question. What was it?

Q. Fabius Maximus




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Did anybody come to São Paulo to see with your eyes how beutiful and great is my city? If so, what you think about it? But talking about love for cities, I have no doubt your cities and capitals are big and huge places. But I´m shure (not being so nacionalist) but the beauty of NY is the 300,000 Brazilians who live there. With all respect, of course. =) I´m just kidding.

Fernando

t_octavius_salvius <fin37@...> wrote:


Salve,

I've only ever been to London twice, but I really love the city.
I like to visit cities in general (New York, Florence, Venice, to
name some from the past few years), but London will always be number
1....


....unless of course you count Las Vegas!

vale

Salvius

>
> Salve T. Octavi Salvi,
>
> Well my father who worked there for 15 years off and on always

quoted

> Sammuel Johnson (1709-1784) - when you are tired of London you are
> tired of life. Even after so many years away from there I still

have

> great vivid memories from my childhood.
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "t_octavius_salvius"

> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete Omnes,
> >
> > You're both wrong. London is the greatest city in the history of
> the
> > world after Rome.
> > Now lets not get into an argument over who's city choice is

better,

> > because clearly I'd win! ;-)
> >
> > Anyway, welcome, Fernando, to Nova Roma. I'm sure the

magistrates

> > will give you any help if you need it. Good luck with your
> > application!
> >
> > vale
> >
> > T. Octavius Salvius
> >
> >
> >
> > > Thank you so much, milord. =)
> > > Well, I live in the third greatest city in History after Rome,
> > São
> > Paulo. =) By what I have reading at the website, I think could

be

> > more interesting be part of Brasilia and get in touch with some
> > Brazilian members of Nova Roma.
> > >
> > > Fernando
> > >
> > > gaiusequitiuscato wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > G. Equitius Cato F. Henrico Cardozo Silvae S.P.D.
> > >
> > > Salve!
> > >
> > > I am a resident of the greatest City in the history of the

world

> > > (after Rome) --- New York (Novum Eboracum)! If there's

anything I

> > can
> > > do to help you get settled, once you've gotten your

citizenship,

> > > please do not hesitate to let me know.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Cato
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Fernando Henrique Cardozo

Silva

> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thank you so much. Yes, I´m applying citizenship. The request
> > is
> > 8434.
> > > > It´s always good meet new faces to. =) Where are you from?
> > > >
> > > > Fernando
> > > >
> > > > mlcinnyc wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > G. Equitius Cato F. Hernando Henrico Silvae salutem plurimam
> > dicit.
> > > >
> > > > Salve vir.
> > > >
> > > > Welcome to Nova Roma! Are you applying for citizenship? Take

a

> > look
> > > > around our website:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.novaroma.org/main.html
> > > >
> > > > and see what we're about. It's always good to see new faces.
> > > >
> > > > Vale optime,
> > > >
> > > > Cato
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Fernando Henrique Cardozo
> Silva
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Salve Nova Romans!
> > > > >
> > > > > Let me introduce myself. I´m Fernando Cardozo Silva,
> > Brazilian, 20
> > > > years old, and It´s honor meeting you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ave!
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Salve, Henrico Silvae.

LOL, In NYC we even call 46th St. between 6th & 7th "Little Brazil" :-)

Vale bene,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Fernando Henrique Cardozo Silva
<cardozo_silva@y...> wrote:

> Did anybody come to São Paulo to see with your eyes how beutiful and

great is my city? If so, what you think about it? But talking about
love for cities, I have no doubt your cities and capitals are big and
huge places. But I´m shure (not being so nacionalist) but the beauty
of NY is the 300,000 Brazilians who live there. With all respect, of
course. =) I´m just kidding.

>
> Fernando

In a message dated 1/22/05 4:10:03 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
julius_cornelianus@... writes:

I said that citizens should not be pushed in any one direction. From the
start of the "Emanicpation" subject citizens were urging other citizens to
emancipate. I also said that the citizens should be allowed to make the
decision FOR THEMSELVES rather than someone telling them what to do. I also said
that the citizens should evaluate their situation for themselves and decide
what was the best course of action. This is certainly not telling anyone they
cannot have an opinion. There is a huge difference bewteen saying "Please
Emancipate Yourselves" (Maior, post#32683), "So do go ahead and send in an
Emancipation notice!" (Troianus, post#32688), "I believe emancipation is good
because..."



But they are being pushed. Most citizens I talked to did not understand
what they were voting for when they did. Most of us who opposed this silly lex
were vocal, but we were shouted down by the opposistion which is a time
honored Roman tactic. Now, instead of our leadership saying
"Perhaps we were too hasty, " they are forcing the people to decide at the
last minute. Pressure indeed!

Q. Fabius Maximus




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G. Equitius Cato S. Equitio Mercurio Troiano Gn. Iulio Caeso
Corneliano S.P.D.

Salvete, virii.

It seems to me as if Iulius Cornelianus has mistaken "gens" for
"familia"; his words actually support the creation, by emancipation,
of the more historic familial setting re-introduced to the res publica
in this lex.

> Gn. Julius Caesar Cornelianus wrote:
>
> This very idea is insanity. To ask everyone to emancipate
> themselves is chaotic and is also counterproductive. It serves no

good in Nova Roma to have every citizen who is currently considered
alieni iuris to emancipate themselves to "retain their full legal
competence and sui iuris status." What is the end result of this?
What will happen in Nova Roma as a result of mass emancipation?

CATO: What will happen in Nova Roma is a more historic and realistic
setting in which familiae can interact, both within their gens and
with familiae in other gentes. It is much more reasonable to
recognize familial units who are bound to one another either by being
blood relations (or by adoption) or by virtue of physical proximity in
the macronational world; as opposed to the gentes who have sprawled
across continents and are held together by little more than the
patrespotestas of the eldest male of the gens. This lex recreates the
*actual* unit which, as Iulius Cornelianus has himself declared "the
basic building block" of Nova Roman society.

> The end result is the dissolving of each familia. Any familia
> that currently exists will be dissolved. Each individual member of

a familia will cease to be a member of that familia. They then will
go on to be a mater/pater of their own familia. But what are they to
be head of? No one will be in their potestas.

CATO: This is simply and absolutely incorrect. Each gentes is simply
broken down INTO familiae --- the familiae are CREATED, not
"dissolved". I have not ceased to be a member of the gens Equitia. I
have merely claimed my right to create my own future as I see fit,
unbound to anyone else, unanswerable to anyone else. Is the idea of
holding potestas only important if you can somehow excercize it over
someone else? You make a case for emancipation right there, Iulius
Cornelianus.

> The familia is the basic building block in Nova Roma. Where
> people can first come to meet members of their own familia. They

can also start their to meet their fellow familia members and expand

> elsewhere to meet cives. This leads to the development of

friendships and adds enjoyment to the experience here in Nova Roma.
This mass emancipation proposal is just downright farsical. What is
to be accomplsihed by urging citzens to claim their sui iuris status?
It's going to created many new mater's/pater's of nothing.

CATO: I am pater of my own familia; that is certainly something of
which I can be proud. I do not consider it "nothing" even if you do,
Iulius Cornelianus. It is a right, but it is also an honor, a
privilege, and a responsibility.

Valete bene,

Cato

In a message dated 1/22/05 6:19:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
_spqr753@..._ (mailto:spqr753@...) writes:
Actually you were the only person until today that did answer my questions
on when did a resignation take effect.

Well most of our current magistrates were not around in the ‘90s so how
would they know?
Resignations were first accepted by the Senate which accepted F. Vedius
Germanicus, L. Marius Fimbria, and Aprica's resignations
Several times the Consuls' refused to present the resignation, demanding the
person finish out their term. It was after this, that the first nine day
"cooling off" Edictum was enacted by Censor Marius. The nine days were chosen
since it was a market day interval. It is important to note that this Edictum
had nothing to do with Magistrates resigning their offices. Both NR and NR
INC says that if a BoD member gives notice of resignation in writing he is
resigned. The Marian lex that followed did not say anything about offices, just
citizenship.
Later it was by the people, instead of posting to the Senate, resignations
were posted directly to the forum "I so & so because of blah blah blah
resign," like our latest Quaestor casualty.
This seem to happen during the 99 crisis, since there was no Senate while NR
was in interregnum.
Hope this helps,
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus QSPD

Salvete,

The vote cast under tracking number 5554 has a malformed voter code. Please
recast your vote with the correct voter code.

Valete,

Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus
Diribitor

Salvete,

Hate to jump in, but I have to agree with Cato, at least with the
short list below. Of the cities 'nominated', New York is the only
one with hockey. Or it would be if it wasn't for the strike.

I love my home city (Edmonton) but there isn't much 'Roman' about
it. Although it does have a statue of Augustus in the food court of
THE MALL, right next to a sign for Caesar's Bingo.

Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "t_octavius_salvius" <fin37@h...>
wrote:

>
> Salve,
>
> I've only ever been to London twice, but I really love the city.
> I like to visit cities in general (New York, Florence, Venice, to
> name some from the past few years), but London will always be

number

> 1....
>
>
> ....unless of course you count Las Vegas!
>
> vale
>
> Salvius
>
>
> >
> > Salve T. Octavi Salvi,
> >
> > Well my father who worked there for 15 years off and on always
> quoted
> > Sammuel Johnson (1709-1784) - when you are tired of London you

are

> > tired of life. Even after so many years away from there I still
> have
> > great vivid memories from my childhood.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Quintus Lanius Paulinus
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "t_octavius_salvius"
> <fin37@h...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Salvete Omnes,
> > >
> > > You're both wrong. London is the greatest city in the history

of

> > the
> > > world after Rome.
> > > Now lets not get into an argument over who's city choice is
> better,
> > > because clearly I'd win! ;-)
> > >
> > > Anyway, welcome, Fernando, to Nova Roma. I'm sure the
> magistrates
> > > will give you any help if you need it. Good luck with your
> > > application!
> > >
> > > vale
> > >
> > > T. Octavius Salvius
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Thank you so much, milord. =)
> > > > Well, I live in the third greatest city in History after

Rome,

> > > São
> > > Paulo. =) By what I have reading at the website, I think could
> be
> > > more interesting be part of Brasilia and get in touch with

some

> > > Brazilian members of Nova Roma.
> > > >
> > > > Fernando
> > > >
> > > > gaiusequitiuscato <mlcinnyc@y...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > G. Equitius Cato F. Henrico Cardozo Silvae S.P.D.
> > > >
> > > > Salve!
> > > >
> > > > I am a resident of the greatest City in the history of the
> world
> > > > (after Rome) --- New York (Novum Eboracum)! If there's
> anything I
> > > can
> > > > do to help you get settled, once you've gotten your
> citizenship,
> > > > please do not hesitate to let me know.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Cato
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Fernando Henrique Cardozo
> Silva
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you so much. Yes, I´m applying citizenship. The

request

> > > is
> > > 8434.
> > > > > It´s always good meet new faces to. =) Where are you from?
> > > > >
> > > > > Fernando
> > > > >
> > > > > mlcinnyc wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > G. Equitius Cato F. Hernando Henrico Silvae salutem

plurimam

> > > dicit.
> > > > >
> > > > > Salve vir.
> > > > >
> > > > > Welcome to Nova Roma! Are you applying for citizenship?

Take

> a
> > > look
> > > > > around our website:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.novaroma.org/main.html
> > > > >
> > > > > and see what we're about. It's always good to see new

faces.

> > > > >
> > > > > Vale optime,
> > > > >
> > > > > Cato
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Fernando Henrique

Cardozo

> > Silva
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Salve Nova Romans!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Let me introduce myself. I´m Fernando Cardozo Silva,
> > > Brazilian, 20
> > > > > years old, and It´s honor meeting you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ave!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > F. Cardozo Silva
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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Salve Ti. Galerius Paulinus -

On Jan 16, 2005, at 2:08 PM, Timothy P. Gallagher wrote:

I had ignored your "Legal questions for our magistrates" precisely
because I didn't feel it appropriate for me to attempt to comment on
something that was "before my time".

However, since you insist on berating us for failing to answer you,
here are my answers:
>
> Salve Romans
>
> Before the adoption of the Lex Cornelia et Maria de civitate eiuranda
> on May 20 2754 (2001), when did a resignation of a citizen become
> official ?
>
How would I know? I didn't join until October of 2003.

> Was there any grace period before the one establish in the Lex
> Cornelia et Maria de civitate eiuranda?
>
Beats me. I have no idea. Since the Lex Cornelia et Maria superceded
whatever came before it, whatever was considered normative before then
can no longer be used as a Precedent anyway, can it? So what
difference would it make? All that matters is whatever Precedent has
been set *since* the Lex was passed.

I hope you find these answers satisfactory.
By the way, since you kept repeating "Answer my questions" without
repeating your questions, I had to run a search on all stored messages
to find these in order to answer them. While that search was running,
I couldn't answer any other mail. Now, may I ask just what was so
all-fired important about these questions? You are in effect asking:
"What was the previous Precedent", when the truth is that it doesn't
matter from a legal standpoint - the Lex superceded whatever came
before it, so only things that have come up since then count as
Precedent.

Vale
- S E M Troianus, Quaestor
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> "An election for Tribune must be held"
>
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Salve !

Happy to see you are in activity again; By the way, I learned
yesterday that new rooms of Domus Aurea have been just excavated,
revealing frescos. But I do not have official references for this
information.

Vale !

Lucius Rutilius Minervalis
Provinciae Galliae Propraetor
Aedilician Quaestor


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Sextus Apollonius Scipio
<scipio_apollonius@y...> wrote:

> Salvete,
>
> after a long time of inactivity, I just put back on tracks

"Apollonia Acta" which is a

> simple blog that presents some latest news about Roman archeology.

Along English, I added

> some news in French, Italian and Spanish. I will publish on this

blog as I browse around,

> so do not hesitate to come back often. I hope it will be useful.
>
> http://www.fr-novaroma.com/Archeology/
>
> Valete,
>
> Sextus Apollonius Scipio
>
>
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TRIBUNE P. MINIUS ALBUCIUS EDICT (n° 58-11)
ON THE INTENT OF CONVENING THE COMITIA POPULI TRIBUTA
(Latin text available on demand)


I, Publius Minius Albucius, Tribune of the Plebs, by the authority
vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of Nova Roma,

In view of the Constitution of Nova Roma, specially its article
III.C., IV.7.d2 and IV.A.5,
In view of my Edict 58-9, 22 January 2005, on the convening of the
comitia plebis tributa,
In view of Lex Salicia de Tribunicia Comitiorum Convocatione, 26
nov. 2002,
In view of Lex Fabia de Ratione Comitiorum Populi Tributorum, 2 dec.
2003,

Considering that the legal rules in Nova Roma ask that a matter
interesting all the People of Nova Roma shall be presented to the
comitia populi tributa,
Considering that the bills on « the aediles of the Plebs (Lex Minia
de aedilibus plebis) » and on
« the resignation of citizenship and of office (Lex Minia de
eiuratione civitatis officiorumque) » need the largest debate
through the appropriate places,
Considering the interest of a productive collaboration between the
magistrates of Nova Roma,


Edicts :


Article 1

The Comitia populi tributa are intended to be called to order.


Article 2

According the Lex Salicia de Tribunicia Comitiorum Convocatione, and
to know if the comitia populi have to be convened, the Censores are
hereby respectfully asked « to publicly disclose the following
information :
a. Current total number of ciizens of Nova Roma. b. Current number
of members of the Ordo Patricius (Patrician Order). c. Current ratio
between the two figures above (nº of Patrician citizens/total nº of
citizens).» (lex Salicia cit. II).


Article 3

The convening of the comitia plebis tributa called to order by my
edict 58-9 is maintained.


Article 4

In case of a convening of the comitia populi tributa in view of the
present edict, the appropriate magistrates of Nova Roma are proposed
to complete the comitian agenda in collaboration with the presiding
magistrate.


Article 5

The appropriate magistrates of Nova Roma and their departments are
responsible, as far as each one is concerned by the present edict,
for executing it. This edict which will be published in the
Tabularium of Nova Roma.


Issued in Caen, city of the Viducasses, France, this twenty third
day of January, 2005 C.E. (23 January 2758), during the consulate of
Fr. Apulus Caesar and Ga. Popillius Laenas.