Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Mar 29-31, 2005

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34470 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2005-03-29
Subject: Re: Hi
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34471 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2005-03-29
Subject: Re: Query: Is there a special NR list on Roman Law?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34472 From: Flavia Scholastica Date: 2005-03-29
Subject: Tribuno Albucio de Certaminibus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34473 From: Flavia Scholastica Date: 2005-03-29
Subject: Re: The Annals of a Provisional Citizen
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34474 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2005-03-29
Subject: Re: A Question
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34475 From: Nicholas Date: 2005-03-29
Subject: LEX IUNIA DE IUSIURANDO for the Office of Plebeian Aedile
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34476 From: Paul Spence Date: 2005-03-29
Subject: Website Suggestion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34478 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Pax Concordia et Salus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34479 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Re: A Question
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34480 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Re: Query: Is there a special NR list on Roman Law?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34481 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: The intercessio of the certamen - a legal view
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34482 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Re: Answer Albuciana - mistake ?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34483 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: The intercessio of the certamen - a practical view
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34484 From: Simon Larente Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Re: Website Suggestion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34485 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Re: Website Suggestion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34486 From: Bill Gawne Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Re: The intercessio of the certamen - a practical view
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34487 From: Manius Constantinus Serapio Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: So the Certamen will take place
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34488 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Ludi Megalenses
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34489 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Re: The intercessio of the certamen - a practical view
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34490 From: Timothy P. Gallagher Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Re: So the Certamen will take place but not just yet
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34491 From: Timothy P. Gallagher Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Re: So the Certamen will take place
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34492 From: Aulus Sempronius Regulus Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Re: Query: Is there a special NR list on Roman Law?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34493 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Re: Query: Is there a special NR list on Roman Law?
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34494 From: Salix Cantaber Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: LUDI MEGALESIA - racing chariots
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34495 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Re: Website Suggestion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34496 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Call for Venationes and Munera Gladiatoris !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34497 From: lucius_fidelius Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Re: Calendars and Eastern Churches
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34499 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-03-31
Subject: Re: Gens Question
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34500 From: Marcus Iulius Date: 2005-03-31
Subject: Absentia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34501 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2005-03-31
Subject: A Challenge!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34502 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Crassus Date: 2005-03-31
Subject: Re: A Challenge!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34503 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2005-03-31
Subject: Re: A Challenge!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34504 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2005-03-31
Subject: Edictum Censoris CFQ XXXI about the appointment of a Scriba Censori
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34505 From: Rob Sullivan Date: 2005-03-31
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALESIA - racing chariots
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34506 From: Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa Date: 2005-03-31
Subject: Fisichella to lap Rome’s Circus Maximus



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34470 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2005-03-29
Subject: Re: Hi
Salve Tiberi Galeri,

"Timothy P. Gallagher" <spqr753@...> writes:

> Please confirm what?

It's a message sent by a virus that infected her computer. Just ignore it.

Vale,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34471 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2005-03-29
Subject: Re: Query: Is there a special NR list on Roman Law?
Salve Aule Semproni,

Aulus Sempronius Regulus <a_sempronius_regulus@...> writes:

> The subject-line says it all.

NovaRomaLaws

Vale,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34472 From: Flavia Scholastica Date: 2005-03-29
Subject: Tribuno Albucio de Certaminibus
Flavia Tullia Scholastica Tribuno Publio Memmio Albucio quiritibus, sociis,
peregrinisque omnibus S.P.D.

(Nonne nomen tuum mutasti, Tribune? Non iam "Minius" es, sed
"Memmius?")

Velim te certiorem facere nos Novae Romae certamina poetices Anglice
scriptae tempore Ludorum Megalensium proximo anno sine querelis ullis
statuisse. Vt videtur, alia talia tempore horum ludorum antehac statuta
sunt, iterum querimoniis carentibus.

Si fortasse mavis certamina operum Latine scriptorum, oporteat pro dolor
confiteri perpaucos cives sat Latinitatis callere ut sententias coniunctas
scribere possint, ne dicam opera longiora. Si tales viginti inter nos
adessent, mirarer. Praeterea, inter hos perpaucos, quis est qui historiae
Romanae tam peritus sit ut tractatus scribere possit? Certe, Pontifex
Scaurus potest, sed est alter, vel tertius?

Si mavis certamina operum omnibus linguis scriptorum, quomodo iudices
inveniamus? Qui tot linguas sciant, etiam callent, ut recte iudicare
possint? Nolens volens, lingua Anglica lingua communis est, et ea utimur et
in negotiis et in certaminibus et in epistulis hoc in Foro scriptis.

=================================================

I would like to let you know that we had a poetry competition in English
last year at the time of the Ludi Megalenses without any complaints. As it
seems, other similar contests have been conducted in the past, again lacking
any complaints.

If perchance you would prefer a competition of works written in Latin,
one must unfortunately confess that very few citizens know Latin well enough
to be able to write connected sentences [in Latin], to say nothing of longer
works. I would be surprised if there were twenty such among us. Moreover,
among these very few, who is there who is such an expert in Roman history
that s/he could write essays? Surely, Pontifex Scaurus can, but is there a
second, or third?

If you prefer competitions of works written in all languages, how would
we find judges? Who knows so many languages, nay knows them well, in order
to be able to judge correctly? Like it or not, the English language is
common/in general use, and we use it both in business and in contests and in
letters written in this Forum.

========================================================
I regret that, due to the vagaries of my system combined with my lack
of proper reference materials and a long absence from practice therein, I
was unable to translate this into French, which, however, I can read fairly
well.

Vale, et valete,

Flavia Tullia Scholastica
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34473 From: Flavia Scholastica Date: 2005-03-29
Subject: Re: The Annals of a Provisional Citizen
Flavia Tullia Scholastica Gaio Equitio Catoni quiritibus, sociis,
peregrinisque omnibus S.P.D.

> G. Equitius Cato L. Triario Vitellio salutem plurimam dicit.
>
> Salve, Triarius Vitellius.
>
> First, thank you for standing up in the Forum and speaking.
>
Indeed.

> Second, after reading your speech a couple of times, I find that I
> agree with much of what you say, with one observation:
>
> The Forum is our public space, and with that comes the inescapable
> position of being the place where the flotsam and jetsam of the
> ordinary life of the res publica is deposited. In some ways, even the
> bickering is a sign of vitality, as it displays the fervor with which
> we gather together and yammer ("endlessly" some might say, while the
> more generous of spirit might say "enthusiastically") about the most
> minute aspects of our life together.
>
And methinks he ain't seen nuthin' yet.

> It also brings out the characters from which our res publica gets its
> flavor, so to speak: Apollonius Cordus over there on the steps of the
> rostra scribbling away wildly while surrounded by scrolls dating back
> to the Etruscans; Constantinus Fuscus and Marca Hortensia standing
> nose-to-nose in front of the Curia and barking at each other; Fabius
> Maximus sitting and grumbling about how the "old days" were so much
> better, when men were men and women were chattel; Minius Albucius
> hopping up and down in the corner red-faced shouting "VETO!" whever
> anyone starts reading a proposal for action; Flavia Scholastica
> holding some little rascal by the scruff of the neck and forcing him
> to re-write his graffitum

That would be 'graffito,' plural 'graffiti,' which is Italian. . .;-)

>in correctly-declined Latin;

Now, see here, Cato amice, as I said on Latinitas, I'm a moderatrix, not
a dominatrix! However, I do have to keep you miscreants in line, lest you
sin against the mother tongue of all Romans. For, you see, Out There, Those
Who Know Latin are watching all of us, watching to see if there's any Latin
in the place called New Rome, watching to see if any they might find is
correct, watching to see if anyone understands it. They are watching to see
if they, too, might be welcome, might be interested, might be understood
should they come knocking on our doors. The Keepers of Living Latin are
watching to see if anyone here can manage the tongue they love, if they can
find any trace that, in their eyes at least, might earn us the name of Nova
Roma, and the tag line "Roma Resurgens." They wonder why they find so
little Latin here, why our fora are in English when theirs are in Latin, why
people are even chastised for writing untranslated Latin on a popular
sodality board, why they can't find much Latin in New Rome. Now and again
The Keepers peek in, but they see all too little to interest them, as if we
were as closed to Latin as the Dursleys are to the world of their ward Harry
Potter. I tell them that we are trying, but that we are few, and that I
keep hoping that someday we will be able to show them that Nova Romans also
can not only appreciate the language of those whose government, virtues,
etc., we strive to imitate, but also communicate in it.


> Galerius
> Paulinus marching about the fringes clutching dog-eared copies of the
> Constitution and laws; these are just a few --- all the little quirks
> and blessings and flaws of our citizens are on display.
>
I suspect that Galerius Paulinus has memorized the Constitution by now.

> Yes, it can be messy, and foolish, and aggravating. Yes, it can be
> meaningful, and interesting, and inspiring.
>
> It is the life of the res publica.
>
Recte dicis.

> Vale optime,
>
> Cato
>
Vale, et valete,

Flavia Tullia Scholastica


>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34474 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2005-03-29
Subject: Re: A Question
Salve,

I'm finishing up final preperations on the citizenship test. There
is a large bank of questions that I drew up with help from several
members of the Collegium, as well as other people. This bank of
questions was sent to the Senate and if I understand correctly has
been approved. Unfortunately at the moment they are all still in
English and need to be translated into French, Italian, Portuguese,
Spanish, German, and of course if someone is really daring Latin.

From this bank of questions I'm going to be drawing up several sets
of tests. At this time final details on the exact number of
questions on each test and the pass/fail cut off mark is still being
discussed.

The test itself will be administered via email rather than a web
based quiz script. The reasons for this are numerous. The primary
ones being, hard to change if and when changes are needed, once the
citizen test pages are found by a search engine spider anyone and
their brother can show up and take the test just for fun causing a
lot of frustration and extra work for the Censors and their staff
trying to sort out the wheat from the chaff.

I'm shooting for the 1st of April to have the first set of tests
ready to go, though they would only be in English at the outset.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Scriba Censoris adCommunicationes Primus
for Censor Caeso Fabius Quintilianus






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>
> Salve et Salvete,
>
> This is my first letter to the group, as I am a new
> member. I have been reading and studying on the Roman
> way and I believe I am ready to take the citizenship
> test. However, I can not find where to take the test
> on the website. Any help would be much appreciated.
>
> Vale et Valete,
>
> S. Octavius Verus
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34475 From: Nicholas Date: 2005-03-29
Subject: LEX IUNIA DE IUSIURANDO for the Office of Plebeian Aedile
LEX IUNIA DE IUSIURANDO
ENGLISH | ITALIANO | LATINO

I, _Nicholas Paul Nix_enter legal and Roman name here___Servius
Labienus Cicero__do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova
Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the
Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, __Servius Labienus Cicero_ swear to
honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to
pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, _Servius Labienus Cicero_ swear to uphold and defend the Religio
Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a
way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, _Servius Labienus Cicero_swear to protect and defend the
Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, _Servius Labienus Cicero_further swear to fulfill the obligations
and responsibilities of the office of _Plebeian Aedile_to the best of
my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of__Plebeian Aedile_and all the rights,
privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Passed by Comitia Centuriata, Yes-21; No-4; Abstain-x

19 October MMDCCLII
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34476 From: Paul Spence Date: 2005-03-29
Subject: Website Suggestion
Salve et Salvete,

As I have bee navigating our website, I have noticed
that there are many broken or outdated links located
throughout; especially in Via Roma. This could be a
problem seeing as it is suggested to some of the civis
novae as a place to study for the citizenship exam. I
would suggest that we either remove such links, or
update them to something more current. Prehaps even a
magistrate that is in charge of keeping it up to date.
(Which there probably is, and I am ignorant of).

Vale et Valete,
Sextus Octavius Verus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34478 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Pax Concordia et Salus
Salvete,

Jubilate, oh felix novorromani, today is the feast of Pax, Concordia et Salus.

And may the three goddesses bless this Republic; citizens, senatores and magistrates. May they shine over the magistrates. I specially add on this pray to Ceres and Diana as well, most than ever they must look for us. And Ianus Father, worshipped also this day.


Ianus adorandus cumque hoc Concordia mitis

Et Romana Salus araque Pacis erit


Ovidius, Fasti III, 881-882


Valete bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus PR


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34479 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Re: A Question
A. Apollonius Cordus Q. Cassio Calvo omnibusque sal.

> ... Unfortunately at the moment they are
> all still in
> English and need to be translated into French,
> Italian, Portuguese,
> Spanish, German, and of course if someone is really
> daring Latin.

Will applicants get extra marks for answering in
Latin? :)

Sounds like you've been working hard, as always. I'm
sure the populus appreciates it.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34480 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Re: Query: Is there a special NR list on Roman Law?
A. Apollonius Cordus A. Sempronio Regulo omnibusque
sal.

Cn. Equitius has given you the name of the "Nova Roma
Laws" list, hosted by the worryingly erstwhile L.
Sulla; this, as you'll see if you look at the
archives, is mostly used to discuss the law of Nova
Roma rather than ancient Roman law, and is often used
as a place to which legal arguments in this forum can
be diverted when they become politically redundant and
of only academic interest.

But ancient Roman law is sometimes discussed there,
and there's no reason why it should not be discussed
there more often, so if you want to discuss it, that's
the place. There's no list dedicated exclusively to
ancient Roman law, though there will be a course (or
rather a four-course series) on the subject starting
soon in the Academia.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34481 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: The intercessio of the certamen - a legal view
A. Apollonius Cordus P. Memmio Albucio omnibusque sal.

I'm very interested in your interpretation of the
constitution, especially in light of what I've
recently been reading about interpretive techniques of
Roman law.

Your line of reasoning, as I understand it, is that
the constitution does not explicitly permit
discrimination between citizens. This is, of course, a
general statement, for you must be aware that the
constitution does mandate discrimination in certain
circumstances. It states, for instance, that there
must be discrimination

- between patricians and plebeians (IV.A.5 & 7;
III.C);

- between citizens over the age of 18 and citizens
under the age of 18 (II.A & B);

- between citizens who vote and citizens who do not
vote (II.E.1);

- between "those citizens who have shown the greatest
commitment" and those who have not (II.E.2);

- between people of different religious faiths (VI.A).

I suppose you could argue that any type of
discrimination *which is not explicitly commanded by
the constitution* is implicitly forbidden by it. But
how, then, do we explain other types of discrimination
which exist within Nova Roma - for instance, the fact
that the collegium pontificum does not allow
non-practitioners of the religio Romana privata to
become pontifices minores, and the fact that the same
collegium does not (currently) allow women to become
pontifices or flamines?

The answer (unless we are to hold these things
unconstitutional also) is, surely, that the
constitution, in giving the collegium pontificum the
authority to determine its own conduct, also
implicitly gives the collegium the authority to enact
discriminatory policies at its discretion? And if we
accept this, it is not far to travel before we can say
that the constitution, in giving the aediles the
authority to conduct public games, implicitly gives
them too the authority to enact discriminatory
policies.

Now, let me say that I am not trying to prove your
interpretation "wrong". I have merely tried to show
that there are other plausible interpretations. This
is important, because of the Roman approach to legal
interpretation.

And the Roman approach, as Alan Watson has admirably
demonstrated in his various writings, was quite
flexible. In general, Roman jurisprudentes of the
republican period tried to resolve problems of
interpretation in accordance with what they thought
was the intent of the author, but also in accordance
with the normal meanings of words. But sometimes they
indulged in rather extreme, even illogical,
interpretations, almost certainly with the deliberate
intention of extending the law in question beyond its
original intent in order to achieve an outcome which
they considered desirable or just. These extreme
interpretations fell into two sub-categories: the
extremely literal (such as Scaevola's argument in the
famous causa Curiana) and the extremely non-literal
(such as the interpretation which allows the word
"glans" (acorn) to signify any fruit or nut).

I think the interpretation I set out above would fall
into the category of interpretations aiming to follow
the intent of the document and the normal meaning of
words. The intent of the document surely cannot be to
forbid all discrimination, since it is rife with
discrimination itself, and also since its stated goal
is to establish the foundation of a Roman res publica,
which necessarily entails some discrimination. And as
for the normal meaning of words, I think it is fair to
say that in the normal meaning of words, silence does
not indicate prohibition - indeed in normal
circumstances silence is taken to indicate consent!

Your interpretation, on the other hand, falls within
the category of extensive interpretation, for it
extends the meaning of the constitution beyond what
seems to be its original intent in an effort (I
presume) to correct, as it were, the law to make it
more just and equitable. And within the category of
extensive interpretation, it is certainly not of the
extremely literal kind, but of the extremely
non-literal kind (since you interpret silence to mean
prohibition).

So your interpretation represents a legitimate, though
lesser, tradition of republican interpretation.
However, (as Watson, again, has shown), I remind you
that Roman jurisprudentes only indulged in this sort
of extensive interpretation when they felt that the
law as it stood was not sufficiently just or fair. In
short, they used their powers of interpretation to
achieve a desired outcome.

So what is the desired outcome here? On the one hand,
yes, it would be fair and equitable for non-English
speakers to be protected from discrimination in
general. But in this specific case, I rather suspect
that if the certamen cannot go ahead in English it
will not go ahead at all. I Know Dr. Lintott can read
the major European languages, but I very much doubt
that he can read all the languages which are spoken in
Nova Roma; and Dr. McCullough is probably in the same
position. So, unless our good aedilis is going to get
some different judges, it's likely that the
competition cannot occur at all without some
linguistic discrimination.

So what is the desired outcome here? Is it to stop the
competition, or to allow the competition to go ahead?
If it is to stop it, then your extensive
interpretation of the constitution is the one we
should adopt; but if the goal is to allow it to take
place, then the alternative interpretation is more
useful. Let's be like the jurisprudentes of the
republic, and choose the interpretation which seems to
us the one which most conduces to justice in the case
at hand.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34482 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Re: Answer Albuciana - mistake ?
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy P. Gallagher"
<spqr753@m...> wrote:

> "English is the "business" "day-to-day" communication language of
> NR government. We are not in a "government" "day-to-day" case
here."

> If holding these events are not part of the "government" "day-to-
day" activity or responsibility of the Aediles what pray tell is
their role?

> They are doing their job and Latin and English are our national
languages and you have my friend made a mistake.


I do not think so, dear Paulinus, and I will differ, for the Lex
Cornelia says : "official **communications** **from** and **day-to-
day** business conducted by the central government".

In the cultural ludi case, the question is not, first : "in what
language is written the edict ?". It is in fact in English, and it
is quite normal according the article III of our lex Cornelia de
linguis publicis.

The question is also not, second : "Do Aediles belong to the central
government ?" Naturally they do.

The question are, in order to see if Lex Cornelia must apply :
"Is this a communication from the central government ?" "Is this a
day-to-day business ?".

Naturally, let us remind first what is "this" : the literary
creation people are asked to provide if they enter the contest.

So you see that :

- this is perhaps a "communication", but not "from" or "by" the
government ;
- these productions are not created "day-to-day", for there is not
such a contest every day or in a usual working rythmn (happily for
organizers and judges !!).

Vale, Paulinus.

P. Memmius Albucius


> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: publiusalbucius<mailto:albucius_aoe@h...>
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 1:15 PM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: The Intercessios against the two
contests - answer Albuciana
>
>
>
> P. Memmius Albucius Q. Caecilio Metello omnibusque s.d.
>
> S.V.G.E.R.
>
> Thanks for your post, dear Metellus. This time again, your
letter
> will give me the opportunity to answer some of the questions
asked
> by you or other cives.
>
> First of all, let me precise, for some citizens seem to ignore
it,
> that the intercessions thrown are not the image of my personal
> relations with our Aediles Serapio and Sulla : I do respect and
like
> them both, and are among these who could bow to them to put in
their
> hands the laurels that their action has called and still call.
We,
> as Tribunes, must consider the act, not the individual who takes
it,
> even if her/his fame is great.
>
> Second, as I told it in a saturday message to my colleague
Tribune,
> I did not enjoy at all vetoing these edicta. For I am myself
> convinced that these kinds of events (every ludus) are what may
Nova
> Roma go forward. But we Tribunes, cannot make a difference
> between "good" or "bad" acts, *in se*.
>
> Third, after having consulted this last saturday my fellow
tribunes
> on the case, I have not received any answer yet and have been
> obliged to act, according my conscience, even if a majority of
our
> citizens disagree : this is the duty for which the Plebs of Nova
> Roma has elected me, as It have elected my colleagues Maior,
> Antonius, Saturninus and Fuscus, each one with a different
> individuality.
>
> Doing it according my conscience, I did it, also, according how
I
> read our constitution and our laws.
>
> Unhappily, an edictum intercessionis is not the place to a long
> development, but the essential things are in both edicta.
>
> In my view, our *constitution*, which I have the duty (even it
is
> not pleasant !) to defend, do not authorize, in its text and in
its
> spirit, discrimination between citizens. Considering another way
> would permit us to ask different taxes to people inside a same
> macronational country, make difference between races, women and
men,
> ethnic groups, etc.
>
> The ethnic equality principle set by our Constitution (see
> in "Citizens", paragraph quoted by my intercessio edictum)
includes
> the language part : the language is one of the major parts of
our
> ethnic identity.
> So, we must, inside Nova Roma as in our macronational countries,
be
> equal.
>
> The legal ground of my intercessio, as you may see it if you
read it
> again, is thus the Constitution, not the Lex Cornelia.
>
> As you have well seen it, this last lex cannot be applied in our
> case because it says 2 things :
>
> 1/ Latin is the "official ceremonial language" of NR : so, it
> applies to rites, not to Ludi in my mind (however, I saw someone
> writing me : "but Ludi are linked to Magna Mater", etc. If yes,
it
> is much more awful (in this civis mind, naturally), for Latin
should
> be applied !! ;-) ;
>
> 2/ English is the "business" "day-to-day" communication language
of
> NR government. We are not in a "government" "day-to-day" case
here.
>
> So you see that Ludi are... outside the scope of this law. If I
have
> wanted, I thus could not been authorized to lean juridically on
it,
> neither on the organization set by our Lex Cornelia (the
Decuria,
> specially). But it was not necessary, because the Constitution,
> which prevails on laws, answers the question.
>
> On the form, Hon. Aedilis Serapio has explained to me that he
has
> worked since November on the ludi and that it is difficult to
get
> good judges in each country "covered" by NR. It may join your
> consideration about the help of the Decuria, but I do not know
if
> Aediles Sulla and Serapio has asked the Decuria for help in
> November, when they were not yet elected in their offices.
> But on the skills of the judges, what would we say of a Nobel
prizes
> constituted jury, in an apartheid country, where one race may
sole
> compete ? Would you say : "the jury is great" or "it seems to me
> that the contest is not fair" ?
>
> For the question here is that of the skills asked to the
> competitors : not answering a short question in English (ex.
where
> is the Hadrian's wall ?) but making a literary text (3.000
words !).
> Is the competition fair ? No. That was my duty for underlining
it.
>
> At last, the fact which I had to deal is that the Aediles are
> *magistrates*, this is to say this kind of cives whose acts fall
> into the range of intercessiones. If the games have been
organized
> by a non-magistrate, I would not have been able to veto. I am
asked
> also by our Constitution to veto magisterial acts, whatever they
> are, and games enter in the field of the competencies of the
Aediles
> magistrates, so...
>
>
> For your information, I have proposed to Hon. Serapio, and put
the
> proposal in the intercessio, that this part of the Ludi - not
the
> whole Ludi, which, as you have seen, do not present any
> constitutional or legal problem to me - be organized by an
English-
> writing Provincia or an union such provinces. It would naturally
not
> put the burden of these contests on them, for the Aediles could
give
> their hand to them and have yet organized the major part of the
> games. It is a very simple move.
>
> But, in my view, the problem would be solved, and these two
games
> could go on and every English-writing civis could have fun.
>
>
> Vale, Postumianus.
>
> P. Memmius Albucius
> Tribunus Plebis
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Caecilius Metellus"
> <postumianus@g...> wrote:
> > Q. Caecilius Metellus P. Minio Albucio Tr. Pl. Quiritibusque
> salutem dicit.
> >
> > Having read the intercessio placed against the Petronian
Certamen,
> and
> > comparing that with the Constitution and the Lex Cornelia de
> Linguis
> > Publicis, I have to admit that I am at a complete and total
loss
> as to how
> > the edict in question is in violation of Nova Roma law.
Reading
> the
> > introductory remarks you, Tribune Albuci, gave, I understand
that
> it is your
> > position that the rules of the contest are in discrimination
> against those
> > whose native language is not English. However, given that the
Lex
> Cornelia
> > de Linguis Publicis (Paragraph III) specifically makes English
the
> official
> > business language, and that Section IV of that same law
creates
> the Decuria
> > Interpretum to accommodate the needs of citizens whose native
> language is
> > not English, I fail to see how the Certamen is discriminatory.
> >
> > Due to the foresight of the Lex Cornelia, the discrimination
you
> see has a
> > remedy in the Decuria. For those languages for which there is
no
> > interpreter, perhaps some solution can be found with the
Aedilis.
> In either
> > case, an intercessio is hardly, in my estimation, necessary.
> >
> > Aside from that, I am somewhat concerned with the thought of
> public games
> > and festivals being vetoed. Excepting such instances as
Hannibal
> being at
> > the Gates or the Senate declaring a state of public Mourning
or
> the Pontiffs
> > declaring some vitium in the proceedings, why on Earth should
the
> public
> > games be halted?
> >
> > Valete Optime in Gratia Divom Romae.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34483 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: The intercessio of the certamen - a practical view
A. Apollonius Cordus omnibus sal.

I've just written about the legal issues around this
intercessio, no doubt to everyone's great boredom; let
me now suggest some practical ideas.

It may be that these ideas won't be needed, for as
things stand (i.e. unless any other tribuni declare
their support for P. Memmius' veto) there will be one
tribunus supporting the veto and one opposing it, and
it will fall. But let's imagine the veto stands, and
try to find a way to make the certamen happen anyway.
What could be done?

Volunteers could be found to help non-English-speakers
to translate their entries into English, or perhaps
into any other languages the judges can both read
easily. Some people have already mentioned the decuria
interpretum, and no doubt there are others besides. I
would rather like to enter the competition myself, but
if absolutely necessary I would be willing to refrain
from entering in order to help others enter.

Another thought: the aedilis could simply re-package
the certamen as a competition for the writing of
fiction in the English language, thus removing all
legal objections (for if one wishes to claim that
accepting only English-language entries for an
English-language contest is illegal, one would also
have to claim that accepting only fiction for a
fiction-writing contest is illegal!).

And a third: the other aediles could consider
organizing similar competitions in other major
languages, in order to counter-balance this one.

A fourth: the certamen could be held entirely in
Latin, thus discriminating equally against *everyone*
(but I don't know whether Dr. McCullough reads Latin).

I'm sure there must be other ideas which could help to
get around this problem. But I'm sure everyone will
agree that we absolutely must not allow this certamen
to be cancelled. It would be an absolute disgrace to
ask two such notable people to volunteer their time
and energy and then to tell them that, after all, the
event has been cancelled; and it would do no end of
damage to our reputation as a reliable and serious organization.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34484 From: Simon Larente Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Re: Website Suggestion
Salvete,

I'd like to add that many parts still need to be translated in many languages. I volunteered to help translating sections in French (sent an email to the webmaster) but I never received any response.

Valete,

G Velius tutor

Paul Spence <n4s720@...> wrote:

Salve et Salvete,

As I have bee navigating our website, I have noticed
that there are many broken or outdated links located
throughout; especially in Via Roma. This could be a
problem seeing as it is suggested to some of the civis
novae as a place to study for the citizenship exam. I
would suggest that we either remove such links, or
update them to something more current. Prehaps even a
magistrate that is in charge of keeping it up to date.
(Which there probably is, and I am ignorant of).

Vale et Valete,
Sextus Octavius Verus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34485 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Re: Website Suggestion
Salvete omnes,

I've brought this thread to the attention of webmaster Calvus, and I'm sure
he'll have some replies for you both just as soon as his time permits.

Valete,

-- Marinus

Simon Larente <slarente@...> writes:

>
>
> Salvete,
>
> I'd like to add that many parts still need to be translated in many
> languages. I volunteered to help translating sections in French (sent an
> email to the webmaster) but I never received any response.
>
> Valete,
>
> G Velius tutor
>
> Paul Spence <n4s720@...> wrote:
>
> Salve et Salvete,
>
> As I have bee navigating our website, I have noticed
> that there are many broken or outdated links located
> throughout; especially in Via Roma. This could be a
> problem seeing as it is suggested to some of the civis
> novae as a place to study for the citizenship exam. I
> would suggest that we either remove such links, or
> update them to something more current. Prehaps even a
> magistrate that is in charge of keeping it up to date.
> (Which there probably is, and I am ignorant of).
>
> Vale et Valete,
> Sextus Octavius Verus
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34486 From: Bill Gawne Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Re: The intercessio of the certamen - a practical view
Salvete quirites, et salve Corde,

Welcome back Corde, I hope your vacation was as wonderful as you wished.

"A. Apollonius Cordus" <a_apollonius_cordus@...> writes:

> I'm sure there must be other ideas which could help to
> get around this problem. But I'm sure everyone will
> agree that we absolutely must not allow this certamen
> to be cancelled. It would be an absolute disgrace to
> ask two such notable people to volunteer their time
> and energy and then to tell them that, after all, the
> event has been cancelled; and it would do no end of
> damage to our reputation as a reliable and serious organization.

I completely agree. While I don't think it will be necessary, I am prepared
to sponsor this certamen as Proconsul of Mediatlantica Provincia.

Vale, et valete,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34487 From: Manius Constantinus Serapio Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: So the Certamen will take place
AVETE OMNES

the period allotted for tribuni plebis to state their agreement or
disagreement with Albucius' intercessio expired and Marca Hortensia
expressed her disagreement. Therefore the intercessio falls and both
the Certamen Petronianum and the contest organized by Aedilis Sulla
will take place as announced.

I wish to thank Marca Hortensia for opposing the veto.
Still I want to say that I believe in Albucius' good faith. I don't
believe there was any hidden political agenda nor hard feelings in
his actions.

I hope next year the new Aediles Plebis will organize the second
edition of the Certamen Petronianum in English. I'll certainly work
to organize an Italian version of this contest and as I said I'll be
glad to give my contribution to organize it in other languages as
well.
What is sure is that it's impossible to organize one sole contest
for all of the languages represented in Nova Roma, as this would
mean looking for judges who understand all of them! Different
Certamina Petroniana have to be organized, each one having its own
high level judges.

Good luck to all those who will take part in the contest!

OPTIME VALETE
M'C.Serapio
Aedilis Plebis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34488 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Ludi Megalenses
AVETE CIVES ROMANI

Your attention, please!

http://www.cohorssullana.grafosystem.ro/

Let's forget the polemics, because Megalesia are closer and closer!

The Ludi in honour of our Magna Mater are going to start, and we
want to celebrate them in the best way.

I'm happy to say that I have the best Cohors I could imagine, and
that we all worked hard to organize these Ludi as best as possible,
for the glory of Rome and our Mater.

I'm going to briefly explain the expected activities:

-Ludi Scaenici: it will be proposed in our theatre the palliated
comedy "Andria" by Publius Terentius Afer, as translated by Henry
Thomas Riley. This was the first play of the african playwright, and
his first great success in Rome (166 BC).

"Sine Cerere et Baccho friget Venus"

-Certamen Historicum: not a news: every day a hard historical
question, a classification and the best, well-known historian among
us will be proclamed the last day of Ludi Megalenses.
Send your answers only at: cn_corn_lent@...

-Venationes: an animal, a gladiator and a tactic. To survive.
To subscribe just send a mail to: iulius_sabinus@...

-Munera Gladiatoria: as above, but the blood will be just the
gladiators' one.
iulius_sabinus@...

-Ludi Circenses: many drivers facing eachother, assassinations,
sabotage and glory for the faster, and the best Factio!
To subscribe:
qsalixcant@...

-Cultural award: a literary contest about the battle of Trasimenus'
Lake, where Hannibal defeated for the third time the Roman Army.
Send your woks at:
iulius_sabinus@...

-Rhetorical Poetry Contest: a news. Here you can discuss
your "favourite Civis" that has or has had any office in Nova Roma,
elected or appointed. His behaviour, his style,Â…everything! Very,
very intriguing! Not open to political struggle!
Send your work at Pompeia:
trog99@...

To see, to ask, to play, just visit our website:

http://www.cohorssullana.grafosystem.ro/

During the Ludi, to the participants Cecubo and Falerno wine will be
distributed, for your joy!

OPTIME GAUDITE!
L IUL SULLA
Aedilis Curilis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34489 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Re: The intercessio of the certamen - a practical view
Salve,

I am happy with the sacrosainct Plebeian Aedile Serapio development
about the question.

But indeed these are good suggestions to all of us bellow. On July
the Ludi Appolinaries will be held by the praetores, so it is good to
consider this.

Tribunes and Plebeian Aediles must always work together.
The Tribunes must support the aedile in everyhting, for Mother Ceres
pleasure!

Vale,
L. Arminius Faustus PR


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Bill Gawne <gawne@c...> wrote:
> Salvete quirites, et salve Corde,
>
> Welcome back Corde, I hope your vacation was as wonderful as you
wished.
>
> "A. Apollonius Cordus" <a_apollonius_cordus@y...> writes:
>
> > I'm sure there must be other ideas which could help to
> > get around this problem. But I'm sure everyone will
> > agree that we absolutely must not allow this certamen
> > to be cancelled. It would be an absolute disgrace to
> > ask two such notable people to volunteer their time
> > and energy and then to tell them that, after all, the
> > event has been cancelled; and it would do no end of
> > damage to our reputation as a reliable and serious organization.
>
> I completely agree. While I don't think it will be necessary, I am
prepared
> to sponsor this certamen as Proconsul of Mediatlantica Provincia.
>
> Vale, et valete,
>
> -- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34490 From: Timothy P. Gallagher Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Re: So the Certamen will take place but not just yet
Salve Manius Constantinus Serapio


Please do not get me wrong I want these contests to go forward but according to the time stamp on her disagreement with the intercessio they still have until 6:06 pm tonight to agree or disagree with the veto

They have 72 hours from HER disagreement to respond unless I am missing something?


From: "Maior" <rory12001@...>
Date: Sun Mar 27, 2005 6:06 pm


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
From: Manius Constantinus Serapio<mailto:mcserapio@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:24 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] So the Certamen will take place



AVETE OMNES

the period allotted for tribuni plebis to state their agreement or
disagreement with Albucius' intercessio expired and Marca Hortensia
expressed her disagreement. Therefore the intercessio falls and both
the Certamen Petronianum and the contest organized by Aedilis Sulla
will take place as announced.

I wish to thank Marca Hortensia for opposing the veto.
Still I want to say that I believe in Albucius' good faith. I don't
believe there was any hidden political agenda nor hard feelings in
his actions.

I hope next year the new Aediles Plebis will organize the second
edition of the Certamen Petronianum in English. I'll certainly work
to organize an Italian version of this contest and as I said I'll be
glad to give my contribution to organize it in other languages as
well.
What is sure is that it's impossible to organize one sole contest
for all of the languages represented in Nova Roma, as this would
mean looking for judges who understand all of them! Different
Certamina Petroniana have to be organized, each one having its own
high level judges.

Good luck to all those who will take part in the contest!

OPTIME VALETE
M'C.Serapio
Aedilis Plebis




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34491 From: Timothy P. Gallagher Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Re: So the Certamen will take place
Salve

Please disregard my post as Manius Constantinus Serapio is right.

I misread something and should have doubled checked .

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus


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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] So the Certamen will take place but not just yet


Salve Manius Constantinus Serapio


Please do not get me wrong I want these contests to go forward but according to the time stamp on her disagreement with the intercessio they still have until 6:06 pm tonight to agree or disagree with the veto

They have 72 hours from HER disagreement to respond unless I am missing something?


From: "Maior" <rory12001@...>
Date: Sun Mar 27, 2005 6:06 pm


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:24 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] So the Certamen will take place



AVETE OMNES

the period allotted for tribuni plebis to state their agreement or
disagreement with Albucius' intercessio expired and Marca Hortensia
expressed her disagreement. Therefore the intercessio falls and both
the Certamen Petronianum and the contest organized by Aedilis Sulla
will take place as announced.

I wish to thank Marca Hortensia for opposing the veto.
Still I want to say that I believe in Albucius' good faith. I don't
believe there was any hidden political agenda nor hard feelings in
his actions.

I hope next year the new Aediles Plebis will organize the second
edition of the Certamen Petronianum in English. I'll certainly work
to organize an Italian version of this contest and as I said I'll be
glad to give my contribution to organize it in other languages as
well.
What is sure is that it's impossible to organize one sole contest
for all of the languages represented in Nova Roma, as this would
mean looking for judges who understand all of them! Different
Certamina Petroniana have to be organized, each one having its own
high level judges.

Good luck to all those who will take part in the contest!

OPTIME VALETE
M'C.Serapio
Aedilis Plebis




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34492 From: Aulus Sempronius Regulus Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Re: Query: Is there a special NR list on Roman Law?
S.V.B.E.V.

Tibi gratias for the information. I'm leading a graduate special studies seminar on it this semester. We went the seminar route because we had students from different disciplines
with different interests. My particular interest is a continuation of Alan Watson's work
in the relation of Roman law and religion (continuing the work of Mommsen and Dumezil)
but also on the fact that the empire, at least Principate, was a private institution and more
analoguous to a modern day corporation than anything else -- probably closer to the East Indian Company than any modern corporation. Some might not know it but it is interesting that when Augustus was emperor he no longer held any magistrate office (although he remained first senator and was "first citizen"). He did retain imperium over his legions. But the early empire's "offices" were part of his household and some of the "paperwork" done by his slaves.
Augustus privately owned Egypt and some of the Equestrian provinces but if you look at the overall struture (the deal struck) of the whole enterprise with senatorial, praetorian, equestrian provinces, it looks like a "public" corporation with different classes being stockholders (the stock was provinces) and Augustus CEO. Again, thanks.

Vale,

"A. Apollonius Cordus" <a_apollonius_cordus@...> wrote:
A. Apollonius Cordus A. Sempronio Regulo omnibusque
sal.

Cn. Equitius has given you the name of the "Nova Roma
Laws" list, hosted by the worryingly erstwhile L.
Sulla; this, as you'll see if you look at the
archives, is mostly used to discuss the law of Nova
Roma rather than ancient Roman law, and is often used
as a place to which legal arguments in this forum can
be diverted when they become politically redundant and
of only academic interest.

But ancient Roman law is sometimes discussed there,
and there's no reason why it should not be discussed
there more often, so if you want to discuss it, that's
the place. There's no list dedicated exclusively to
ancient Roman law, though there will be a course (or
rather a four-course series) on the subject starting
soon in the Academia.

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MMDCCLVIII Anno urbis conditae (AUC)

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34493 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Re: Query: Is there a special NR list on Roman Law?
A. Apollonius Cordus A. Sempronio Regulo omnibusque
sal.

> ... My particular interest is
> a continuation of Alan Watson's work
> in the relation of Roman law and religion
> (continuing the work of Mommsen and Dumezil)

Bene! I was reading in that area just recently while
researching the Academia course, and found it
fascinating. I can see you and I are going to have
many interesting conversations (interesting for me at
least).

> but also on the fact that the empire, at least
> Principate, was a private institution and more
> analoguous to a modern day corporation than anything
> else -- probably closer to the East Indian Company
> than any modern corporation. Some might not know it
> but it is interesting that when Augustus was emperor
> he no longer held any magistrate office (although he
> remained first senator and was "first citizen").

Hmm. An intriguing idea. But although he didn't have
any magistracies as such, he did have megisterial
powers, didn't he - the tribunicia potestas, the majus
imperium, and so on? And these powers were conferred
by lex, so there were still public aspects as well as
private ones. Perhaps it was as though the state
contracted out its government to a private
corporation?

The relevant chapters of Bauman's 'Crimen Maiestatis'
come to mind - about the change from majestas populi
to majestas principis. That seems to go quite well
with your idea. Hmm. Interesting.

I once asked my tutor at university whether there was
ever any legal challenge (as opposed to moral or
military) against Augustus - for instance, somebody
objecting that he was doing something which he had no
legal power to do. The only possible example she could
think of had something to do with a praetor, but
annoyingly I've forgotten the details. I suppose
that's the tricky thing with Augustus - working out
how much of his power was derived from law and how
much was technically illegal but in practice
unchallenged.

Anyway, I must stop rambling before they close the library.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34494 From: Salix Cantaber Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: LUDI MEGALESIA - racing chariots
Salvete omnes.

Now is open the participation in the Circus Games.

It's time so that you enlist your team and you can sent it to participate in the Maximum Circus



It's very simple. You only have to decide who will represent him with the following data:

A. His/her name in Nova Roma

B. The name of his/her driver

C. The name of his/her chariot

D. His/her tactics for the Quarter and Semifinals

E. His/her tactics for the Finals

F. The name of his/her "factio" or team (Albata, Praesina, Russata, or Veneta)

G. Dirty actions against another factio in a specific round (quarter- final, semi-final, or final) and amount of sesterces paid in support of it (an entrant does not have to pay sesterces to commission a dirty action, but doing so increases the chances of success

H. Defence against dirty actions in a specific round (quarter-final, semi-final, or final) and amount of sesterces paid in support of it (an entrant does not have to pay sesterces to defend against a dirty action, but doing so decreases the chances of success of the dirty action)

I. If sesterces from multiple entrants are pooled to take a dirty action or defend against a dirty action, the subscription of each entrant of the pool must so indicate.




Do you want to see the victory of their color? This is their opportunity to get the glory! and perhaps the God grant it to you...

If you have some doubt you can send an e-mail to qsalixcant@... and it will be responded as soon as possible.

PARTICIPATE THE LUDI MEGALESIA! Your name will be immortalized in the Nova Roma history if you gets the final Victory.


Valete bene.

Q. Salix Cantaber Uranicus
Scriba Aedilis Ludorum - COHORTIS AEDILIS LUCI IULI SULLAE
Scriba Propraetoris Arenae PROVINCIA HISPANIE


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34495 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Re: Website Suggestion
Salve,

This is a problem inherent to all websites with links to sites
outside the main site. Websites come and websites go. Never
presume that someone else has already reported a broken link but I
just haven't had a chance to remove or fix the defunct link. If a
link is dead that means I don't know about it.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Magister Aranearius



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Paul Spence <n4s720@y...> wrote:
>
> Salve et Salvete,
>
> As I have bee navigating our website, I have noticed
> that there are many broken or outdated links located
> throughout; especially in Via Roma. This could be a
> problem seeing as it is suggested to some of the civis
> novae as a place to study for the citizenship exam. I
> would suggest that we either remove such links, or
> update them to something more current. Prehaps even a
> magistrate that is in charge of keeping it up to date.
> (Which there probably is, and I am ignorant of).
>
> Vale et Valete,
> Sextus Octavius Verus
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34496 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Call for Venationes and Munera Gladiatoris !
AVE NOVAROMANI !

Only the braves !
The best gladiators and wild animals, how you can't see in all the days, from the most exotic areas of the world.

Gladiators vs Gladiators
Gladiators vs Wild Animals
Wild Animals vs Wild Animals

And only a WINNER !

In the honour of the mother of the gods : MAGNA MATTER !

The rules :

http://cohorssullana.grafosystem.ro/rules.htm

The competitors who wishes to participate in the Munera Gladiatoria and Venationes must send a subscription to Iulius Sabinus at iulius_sabinus@... .

Subscriptions are admitted until April 4th.


Ludi Megalenses Munera Gladiatoria and Venationes How to Take Part

A players can choose TWO gladiators, animals or both for taking part in the Ludi (see the rules for types). The player will have to mail Iulius Sabinus a message to iulius_sabinus@... with the following information: Name of the gladiator or animal, type of gladiator or animal and finally the tactics, that he will choose among these three:

1) "Defensive" tactics. It adds one point, but the gladiator or animal has 40 % of probabilities of surviving in case of defeat, because the public does not like these tactics.
2) "Yourself" tactics. It neither adds nor take points. 50 % of probabilities of which the public asks for the death in case of defeat.
3) "Total attack" tactics. It reduced one point, but the gladiator or animal has 65 % of probabilities of surviving in case of defeat, because the public likes these tactics.

VALE,

IVL SABINVS

Scribae Aedilis Ludorum




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34497 From: lucius_fidelius Date: 2005-03-30
Subject: Re: Calendars and Eastern Churches
To anyone interested in ancient calendars and dating, have a look at
http://www.ortelius.de/kalender/idx_en.php - it's creator did an
amazing job and I've not seen a better online reference.

-- LFG

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Aulus Sempronius Regulus
<a_sempronius_regulus@y...> wrote:
> Salve!
>
> Again, thank you for your wonderful, precise and concise
explanation below.
> Since your knowledge of calendars is impressive, I have a calendar
question.
>
> When did the Greeks (or did the Greeks) stop using the pagan
> Greek calendar? Did something of it get incorporated into Byzantine
> culture?
>
> Tibi gratias,
> Vale bene,
>
>
> gaiusequitiuscato <mlcinnyc@y...> wrote:
>
> G. Equitius Cato A. Sempronio Regulo S.P.D.
>
> Salve, Sempronius Regulus.
>
> In a congress held in 1923, the Eastern Churches adopted a modified
> Gregorian Calendar and decided to set the date of Easter according
to
> the astronomical Full Moon for the meridian of Jerusalem. However, a
> variety of practices remain --- with regard to the "fixed" Feasts,
the
> Churches of Constantinople, Romania, Alexandria, Antioch, Poland,
> Greece, and Cyprus adopted the New Calendar in 1923, and Bulgaria in
> 1968. Russia, Serbia, and Jerusalem adhere to the Old Calendar.
>
> Proposals to resolve the problem have been more successful, but they
> still have not been adopted. The World Council of Churches
> proposed a reform of the method of determining the date of Easter
at a
> summit in Aleppo, Syria, in 1997. Easter would be defined as the
first
> Sunday following the first astronomical full moon following the
> astronomical vernal equinox, as determined (again) from the meridian
> of Jerusalem. The reform would have been implemented starting in
2001,
> since in that year the Eastern and Western dates of Easter would
> coincide. After that, the results of the new method of calculating
> Easter would differ from that used in Eastern Christianity
> immediately; but the new system would not differ from the
traditional
> Western system until 2019.
>
> The reform has not been implemented. The reform would rely mainly on
> the co-operation of the Eastern Orthodox, since the date of Easter
> would change for them immediately; whereas Western churches would
not
> need to use the current method of calculation until 2019. However,
> Eastern Orthodox support was not forthcoming, and the reform has
> failed. So there are two schools: the "Old Calendarists" and
the "New
> Calendarists".
>
> The Old Calendarists use the Julian Calendar to determine the date
of
> ALL religious feasts. This means that Christmas and Epiphany (for
> example) are 25 Dec. and 6 Jan. JULIAN, repectively. This translates
> to 7 Jan. and 19 Jan. GREGORIAN, respectively.
>
> The New Calendarists use the Julian Calendar to determine the date
of
> Easter (and celebrations related to Easter) while using the
Gregorian
> calendar to determine the date of fixed celebrations. Thus New
> Calendarists celebrate Christmas and Epiphany on the same date as
the
> Western Christians, Dec. 25 and 6 Jan. GREGORIAN (respectively).
> Currently, the New Calendarists are celebrating the fixed feasts 13
> days prior to the celebrations of the Old Calendarists.
>
> Vale bene,
>
> Cato
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34499 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-03-31
Subject: Re: Gens Question
Salve Sir

Thank you for this clarification, I now understand..

Quintus Sertorius

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus" <gawne@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Gens Question


>
> Salve Quinte Sertori,
>
> Nathan Guiboche wrote:
>> Salve All ( I hope someone can answer this)
>
> I suspect I can.
>
>> I have a question concerning Gens Names... Since I don't
>> have a cognomen may I be able to stop someone calling themselves
>> Gnaeus Sertorius
>
> We (the Censors) would check with you before admitting anybody to your
> familia, which is the Sertoria (with no cognomen). But your
> hypothetical Gnaeus could obtain citizenship as Gn. Sertorius <cognomen>
> thus creating a different familia. Note that exactly the same thing was
> possible under the old system, save that the new Sertorii <cognomen>
> would have been classed as a separate gens.
>
> Vale,
>
> -- Marinus
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34500 From: Marcus Iulius Date: 2005-03-31
Subject: Absentia
avete omnes,

I'll be absent and seldom on-line from tomorrow morning until Wednesday April 6th.
thanks




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34501 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2005-03-31
Subject: A Challenge!
G. Equitius Cato quirites salutem plurimam dicit.

Salvete omnes!

I, Gaius Equitius Cato, hereby challenge any of my fellow citizens to
pit their most prized and fierce beasts against mine in the upcoming
ludi! Be ye warned, though, that my animals, Scylla the ferocious
lion and Charybdis the fearsome tiger, have been forced to listen to
recitations of our tabularium --- read in the voice of Scooby Doo ---
so they're ready to let fly! If, as is claimed, "music hath charms to
soothe a savage beast", then our tabularium can turn a fluffy ball of
striped kitty into a 600-lb. whirlwind of fury.

hahahahahahahaha!

Valete bene!

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34502 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Crassus Date: 2005-03-31
Subject: Re: A Challenge!
Salve Equitus Cato !

Dreams. That's only dreams. Because you don't know yet my furious
wild boar " Wargi " from the deep Carpathian forests. For him,
Scylla and Caribdis are only an appetizer. Who is the next ?

Vale,
Iulius Crassus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato"
<mlcinnyc@y...> wrote:
>
> G. Equitius Cato quirites salutem plurimam dicit.
>
> Salvete omnes!
>
> I, Gaius Equitius Cato, hereby challenge any of my fellow citizens
to
> pit their most prized and fierce beasts against mine in the
upcoming
> ludi! Be ye warned, though, that my animals, Scylla the ferocious
> lion and Charybdis the fearsome tiger, have been forced to listen
to
> recitations of our tabularium --- read in the voice of Scooby Doo -
--
> so they're ready to let fly! If, as is claimed, "music hath
charms to
> soothe a savage beast", then our tabularium can turn a fluffy ball
of
> striped kitty into a 600-lb. whirlwind of fury.
>
> hahahahahahahaha!
>
> Valete bene!
>
> Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34503 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2005-03-31
Subject: Re: A Challenge!
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato"
<mlcinnyc@y...> wrote:
>> so they're ready to let fly! If, as is claimed, "music hath
charms to
> soothe a savage beast", then our tabularium can turn a fluffy ball
of
> striped kitty into a 600-lb. whirlwind of fury.
>
> hahahahahahahaha!
>
> Valete bene!
>
> Cato

Salve,

Reading the Tabularium is far more likely to induce a coma than
fury.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34504 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2005-03-31
Subject: Edictum Censoris CFQ XXXI about the appointment of a Scriba Censori
Ex Officio Censoris Senioris Caesonis Fabii Quintiliani

Edictum Censoris CFQ XXXI about the appointment of a Scriba Censoris
CFQ (Censorial Scribe CFQ)

The workload in the Officina Approbatio (Approval Office) has become
a bit too heavy because of some changes in the private conditions of
members of that Officina and the introduction of the new citizens
tests. Therefore I have decided to strengthen this Officina by
appointing one more Scriba Censoris CFQ.

I. Hereby Lucius Rutilius Minervalis is appointed Scriba Censoris CFQ
(Censorial Scribe CFQ) to work in the Officina Approbatio.

II. This Edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given the 1st of April, in the year of the Consulship of Franciscus
Apulus Caesar and Gaius Popillius Laenas, 2758 AUC.
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus

Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
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Cohors Censoris CFQ
http://www.hanenberg-media-webdesign.com/cohors/index_uk.htm
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34505 From: Rob Sullivan Date: 2005-03-31
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALESIA - racing chariots
Salvete,

A) Name: Titus Licinius Crassus
B) Chariot: Orionis Draco
C) Driver: Equus Magnus
D) Quarters and Semi Strategy: (6) To hurry in the straight lines
E) Finals Strategy: (2) To pass the curves closely the "spina" of the circus
F) Factio: Veneta
G),H) & I) No dirty tricks or defences. Saving up for later ludis

Valete,
Crassus



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34506 From: Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa Date: 2005-03-31
Subject: Fisichella to lap Rome’s Circus Maximus
From the official Formual One website:Renault�s Giancarlo Fisichella will thrill race fans in Rome next month when he drives a Formula One car around one of his home city�s most famous and historic landmarks, the Circus Maximus.Two thousand years after the walls of the famous building echoed to the thunder of Roman chariots, Fisichella will lap a 1200 metre course around its exterior in a free, public demonstration run organised by Renault in collaboration with the city.

�This Roadshow is a fantastic idea!� said Fisichella. �For me, as a driver but also as a Roman, it will be great fun to drive in the streets, in front of the public and the fans from my city.

�To be able to see an F1 can close up is normally for just a privileged few, and the drivers are usually far away from the fans at races, so I am looking forward to meeting people and showing them what the sport is all about. I�m sure it will be an unforgettable experience!�

Fisichella, winner of this year�s Australian Grand Prix, will be joined by Renault test driver Franck Montagny and the team�s Managing Director Flavio Briatore at the event, which will take place on Sunday April 10

�I love these Roadshow events, that the team began running two years ago,� commented Briatore. �Not only does it give our fans the chance to see the cars, but it allows the general public to get closer to our sport, our drivers and the team. After the reception we had in Madrid for Fernando (Alonso) in 2003, we couldn�t miss the opportunity to allow Giancarlo to run in Rome.�

To mark Fisichella�s visit, the Circus Maximus will be transformed into a sea of blue and yellow, with a Formula One paddock area, a display of Renault motorsport vehicles and the most dedicated fans will be able to join in the action with a live pit-stop simulation.





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