Selected messages in Nova-Roma group. Apl 1-8, 2005

Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34507 From: Aulus Sempronius Regulus Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: Outline of the Legal Structure of Roman Religion(s)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34508 From: Domitius Constantinus Fuscus Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: Change of email address
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34509 From: Manius Constantinus Serapio Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: Still a few days to interview Prof. Lintott
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34511 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: A good abstract about roman government
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34512 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Call for Cultural Award !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34513 From: Caius Curius Saturninus Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: about the ludi intercessios
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34514 From: Caius Curius Saturninus Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: Senate voting results
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34515 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: Edictum Praetoricium America Boreoccidentalis 2758-i
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34516 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: Edictum Praetoricium America Boreoccidentalis 2758-ii
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34517 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: Edictum Praetoricium V - New Moderator for Main List
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34518 From: Reccanello Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: Iuramenta - Juramento - Oath
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34519 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: Nova Roma - Provincia Dacia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34520 From: raymond fuentes Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: Re: Nova Roma - Provincia Dacia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34521 From: Maior Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: Re: Nova Roma - Provincia Dacia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34522 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Call for Munera Gladiatoria and Venationes !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34523 From: M Arminius Maior Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: Gubernator of Am. Austrorientalis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34524 From: M Arminius Maior Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: Re: Gubernator of Am. Austrorientalis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34525 From: Triarius Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALESIA - racing chariots
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34526 From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Oath of office - Gallia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34527 From: FAC Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: Nova Roma - Provincia Dacia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34529 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALESIA - racing chariots
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34530 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: About the oaths of office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34531 From: Caius Curius Saturninus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: oath of office
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34532 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: Nova Roma - Provincia Dacia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34533 From: Caius Curius Saturninus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Edictum propraetoricum 2758-III
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34534 From: Caius Curius Saturninus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Edictum propraetoricum 2758-II
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34535 From: Caius Curius Saturninus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Edictum propraetoricum 2758-I
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34536 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: Nova Roma - Provincia Dacia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34537 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Provincia Dacia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34538 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: New Venus Gallery in photos section
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34539 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: Provincia Dacia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34540 From: Cytheris Iulia Aege Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Ave,aedilus Iulius Lucius Sulla!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34541 From: Quintus Iulius Probus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: Ave,aedilus Iulius Lucius Sulla!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34542 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Punishment in the Roman Army
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34543 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Roman Map Site
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34544 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: The Ancient Roman Army Illustrated
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34545 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: A Stantard for Roman Wesites
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34546 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: Nova Roma - Provincia Dacia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34547 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Images of Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34548 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Historical Maps Site
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34549 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: Images of Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34550 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Collaring of Roman Livestock (Source images)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34551 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: Images of Rome
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34552 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: An Archaeological Note on Crucifixion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34553 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: Nova Roma - Provincia Dacia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34554 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Roman Transportation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34555 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Site for NR Children
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34556 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: School Projects on Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34557 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34558 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: School Projects on Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34559 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Good General Site on Roma
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34560 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34561 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34562 From: Lucia Cassia Silvana Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34563 From: Aulus Sempronius Regulus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Day Light Savings: Modern and Roman Style
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34564 From: Aulus Sempronius Regulus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34566 From: Stephen Vogelsang Date: 2005-04-03
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34567 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2005-04-03
Subject: Ludi Megalenses
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34568 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2005-04-03
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34569 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2005-04-03
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Certamen Historicum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34570 From: Cnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2005-04-03
Subject: Re: Nova Roma - Provincia Dacia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34571 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2005-04-03
Subject: Oath of Office - Propraetor Pannoniae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34572 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2005-04-03
Subject: Megalesia now open
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34573 From: FAC Date: 2005-04-03
Subject: In memoryof Pope Ioannes Paulus II
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34574 From: FAC Date: 2005-04-03
Subject: Re: Site for NR Children
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34575 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2005-04-03
Subject: Re: Site for NR Children
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34576 From: FAC Date: 2005-04-03
Subject: Roman Math
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34577 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2005-04-03
Subject: Re: Site for NR Children
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34578 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2005-04-03
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Call for Cultural Award !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34579 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2005-04-03
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Ludi Scaenici.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34580 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Re: In memoryof Pope Ioannes Paulus II
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34581 From: FAC Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Re: In memoryof Pope Ioannes Paulus II
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34583 From: Maxima Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34584 From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34585 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Candidates for Quaestor
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34586 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Re: In memoryof Pope Ioannes Paulus II
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34587 From: Manius Constantinus Serapio Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Re: Nova Roma - Provincia Dacia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34588 From: philipp.hanenberg@web.de Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Accepto officium propraetoris interpretisque
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34589 From: Rob Sullivan Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALESIA - racing chariots
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34590 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Certamen Historicum No1 (historical contest)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34591 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Certamen Historicum - No2
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34592 From: Salix Cantaber Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALESIA - racing chariots
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34593 From: FAC Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: To all the Propraetores
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34594 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Fwd: Ludi Megalesia Rhetorical Poetry Contest
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34595 From: Maxima Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34596 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Re: Fwd: Ludi Megalesia Rhetorical Poetry Contest
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34597 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Fwd: LUDI MEGALENSES - Call for Cultural Award !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34598 From: Julia Cybele Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: The Blessings of Magna Mater
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34599 From: Hector De Leon Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Ancient History Re-enactors of Florida
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34600 From: Luc Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: Introduction
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34602 From: Gnaeus Salvius Astur Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: Academia Course: Rituals of the Religio Romana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34603 From: philipp.hanenberg@web.de Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: Accepto officium propraetoris interpretisque
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34604 From: Diana Aventina Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: Re: Academia Course: Rituals of the Religio Romana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34605 From: Gnaeus Salvius Astur Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: Re: Academia Course: Rituals of the Religio Romana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34606 From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: Edictum Propraetoricium XVII
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34607 From: Maior Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: Re: Academia Course: Rituals of the Religio Romana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34608 From: Aulus Sempronius Regulus Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: Fas: Ius; Religio: Pietas/Legal Structure Roman Religion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34609 From: Aulus Sempronius Regulus Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: Ritual Parallels: Roman and Vedic
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34610 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Certamen Historicum SOLUTIONS - No1+2 (and Temp
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34611 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Historical Contest - No3
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34612 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Venationes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34613 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Munera Gladiatoria - quarters
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34614 From: C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: EDICTVM·PROPRÆTORICIVM·XIX (A C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS I)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34615 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALENSES - Venationes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34616 From: FAC Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALENSES - Venationes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34617 From: Lucia Cassia Silvana Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALENSES - Munera Gladiatoria - quarters
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34618 From: Luc Johnston Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: How do you say..
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34619 From: Flavia Scholastica Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: Re: How do you say..
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34620 From: Maior Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALENSES - Munera Gladiatoria - quarters
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34621 From: Diana Aventina Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: Academia Course: Rituals of the Religio Romana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34622 From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34623 From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Edictum Propraetoricium XXVIII - Gallia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34624 From: C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Retification of Oath
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34625 From: Peter Bird Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: How do you say..
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34626 From: Peter Bird Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34627 From: Simon Larente Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Latin Translation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34628 From: Luc Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: How do you say..
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34629 From: philipp.hanenberg@web.de Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: edictum primum propraetoris germaniae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34630 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: To NR citizens living in Tennessee (& near points)
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34631 From: Craig Jacobs Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: Latin Translation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34632 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: Fas: Ius; Religio: Pietas/Legal Structure Roman Religion
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34633 From: Maior Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: Academia Course: Rituals of the Religio Romana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34634 From: Flavia Scholastica Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: Latin Translation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34635 From: Simon Larente Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: Latin Translation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34636 From: Peter Bird Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: Latin Translation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34637 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Off to the Eternal City
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34638 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: Off to the Eternal City
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34639 From: Salix Cantaber Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Circus Races - quarters A
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34640 From: Salix Cantaber Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Circus Races - quarters B
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34641 From: Salix Cantaber Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Circus Races - quarters C
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34642 From: Salix Cantaber Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Circus Races - quarters D
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34643 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Call for Cultural Award !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34644 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Certamen Hist. SOLUTION - No3 (and Temporary Clas
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34645 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Certamen Historicum - No4
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34647 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34648 From: John Gunn III Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: Latin Translation
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34649 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Munera Gladiatoria - semifinals
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34650 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34651 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34652 From: Aulus Sempronius Regulus Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: [Nova Roma] To NR citizens living in Tennessee
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34653 From: Diana Aventina Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: Academia Course: Rituals of the Religio Romana
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34654 From: Peter Bird Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34655 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34657 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALENSES - Venationes
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34658 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: Off to the Eternal City
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34659 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34660 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34661 From: Peter Bird Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34662 From: Maxima Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34663 From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34664 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34665 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Felix
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34666 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: Felix
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34667 From: FAC Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: Off to the Eternal City
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34668 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: Felix
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34669 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: Felix
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34670 From: Flavia Scholastica Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: Felix
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34671 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: Felix
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34672 From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Edictum Propraetoricium XXIX - Gallia
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34673 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Certamen Historicum - No5
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34674 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Cert. Historicum SOLUTION - No4 (and Temporary Cl
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34675 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34676 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Fwd: Ludi Megalesia Rhetorical Poetry Contest
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34677 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALENSES - Certamen Historicum - No5
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34678 From: Sextus Octavius Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Same Octavius Verus, new e-mail
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34680 From: Salix Cantaber Date: 2005-04-08
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Circus Races - quarters D
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34681 From: Maxima Date: 2005-04-08
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34682 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2005-04-08
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34683 From: Salix Cantaber Date: 2005-04-08
Subject: Fw: Quarters D - Ludi Circenses
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34684 From: Peter Bird Date: 2005-04-08
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34685 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2005-04-08
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Certamen Historicum - No 6
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34686 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2005-04-08
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Munera Gladiatoria - The finals !
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34687 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2005-04-08
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34688 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2005-04-08
Subject: Absence
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34689 From: Maxima Date: 2005-04-08
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34690 From: Maxima Date: 2005-04-08
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus



Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34507 From: Aulus Sempronius Regulus Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: Outline of the Legal Structure of Roman Religion(s)
Salvete!

Below is a brief outline of a paper of mine delivered
at a conference at and hosted by Vanderbilt
University.

This essay describes the broad outlines of the legal
structure of Roman law as it pertains to Roman
religion as a social institution, or rather, a set of
social institutions.

The most important distinctions in Roman law are
between fas and ius and between public and private.
The Roman meaning of the first pair is fairly easy to
grasp. The Roman meaning of the second pair of terms
is more difficult to grasp because what the Romans
meant by these concepts is very different from what
they mean for modern sensibilities.

The most important distinction in Roman law is between
fas and ius. Fas concerns the nature of appropriate
and pietas relations between the human and divine. As
such, when fas and ius overlap, ius must accord with
and comply with fas.

The sphere of fas contains much that does not overlap
with ius and falls outside the sphere of ius. Two
analogies help clarify the relation between the two.

The relation between fas and ius can be explained by
drawing an analogy between morals (or ethics) and law.
Morals (or ethics for purposes here I use the two
terms interchangeably although a case can be made for
saying morals are the living practical life of
striving to be a good person and ethics is the
investigation into the conditions that make the
cultivation of a good person possible and provides the
educative guidelines for such cultivation.) is about
cultivating good persons of noble and honorable
character; it is the science and art of creating
persons with moral integrity. Ethics is concerned
with achieving ethically maximum standards. Somewhat
by contrast, law is the maintenance of social order by
providing procedures and standards so that social
affairs proceed in a peaceful and orderly manner. In
terms of those elements that threaten peaceful social
order, law has not only authority but power to enforce
compliance to maintain the order and peace. Where
ethics and law overlap, it is not the �job
description� of law to become ethics or attempt to
produce persons of good character that realize and
embody the values of the ethical maximums. Rather the
task of law is still the maintenance of peaceful
social order. Where ethics and laws overlap, it can
be said the purpose of law is to maintain and enforce
certain ethical minimum standards in outward behavior
in the interest of a peaceful social order and general
social safety. Those persons whose behavior falls
below the ethically minimum standards enforced by law
are thereby subject to the police powers of the law.
Such considerations are partly the reason behind the
maxim that one cannot legislate morality.

Authentic pietas, like morality, cannot be enforced
nor legislated. This is reflected in Roman law and
religion. But the ancient Roman state was a cult.
There was no separation of church and state. While
most acts of impietas were a private matter between an
individual person and the divine, some acts of
impietas were considered such a grave offence to the
divine that they threatened to bring divine wrath of
displeasure to the people of Rome as a whole. Such
grave acts of impietas, in other words, threatened
peaceful social order. Thus, they were subject to law.


Another analogy for understanding the relation between
fas and ius is by thinking of fas as having a status
similar to that of higher federal law and ius as
having a status similar to that of lower state law. In
those areas of life where fas and ius overlap, fas
supercedes and trumps ius. In other words, in a social
order where there is no separation between church and
state, secular and civil law must accord and comply
with higher canon, religious, or sacred law. Finally,
as will be discussed, there was a legal ranking of
religions in Roman society. In a way, there was a
separation of church and state for almost all the
religions found in the Roman empire, and thus, a great
degree of religious liberty. But for the legally
highest religion of Rome there was no separation of
church and state. So just as all law had to comply
with the higher things of fas, so all civil (to be
explained) religious cults had to not contradict the
highest public capitoline and aventine cultus of Roma
as urbs aeterna.

Keeping these analogies in mind as we return to our
topic, fas is about the proper relation between things
human and things divine. To the extent this relation
is an individual and private thing, it is not subject
to ius. On occasion one may judge a person to be
impietas towards the divine and fail to give the
divine its due but it is solely between the divine and
that person. To the extent an individual person�s
impietas can threaten the relations between the divine
and the people and state as a whole, then it is
subject to ius. For example, if a Senator or member
of the ordines displayed behavior that was impietas
(or unethical, but we leave that aside) and that
publically threatened Rome�s relations with the
divine, the Censor could remove that person from the
Senate and/or socially demote them.

As indicated, where fas and ius overlap in
jurisdiction, ius must accord and comply with the
higher fas. Sometimes this arrangement requires that
ius coordinate with the requirements of fas in order
to provide the social conditions necessary to maintain
and carry out the things pertaining to fas. For
example, ius regulates the social means for taxation
in order that the things of fas required can be
economically maintained. Another example would be
where the laying out of temples and routes for
religious processions required by the things of fas
are legislated and regulated by ius. In ancient Rome
another important area where ius would coordinate
social and secular affairs in order to have them
accord and comply with the things of fas is the
calendar. The office of pontifex maximos was also an
office of mediation between the sacred shere of fas
and the secular sphere.

Within the ordo of ius itself, we also find a
hierarchical structure in Roman law plus an important
distinction between public and private law. Both the
nature of the public and private spheres in Roman law
and the distinction between them is very different
from what they are in the modern world. In Roman law,
public law or ius publicum is comprised of the
religious rules and rituals of the official Roman
religion (not all religious cults in the Roman
empire). Ius publicum is ius sacrum. It is the
maintenance of those social and religious conditions
that directly support the higher things of fas that
were of public concern and part of the cultus of Roma.
The public sphere was that open space of the things of
fas (human and divine relations) that concerned the
Roman people and the Roman state as a whole. Contrary
to modern legal sensibilities and instincts, this
corpus of public law was neither civil nor secular.
It was religious. All other Roman law was private law.
Private in the Roman sense is also very different
from our sense of privacy. Private was the entire
political, international, ethical, social (public in
the modern sense), economic, and individually personal
(and private in the modern sense) sphere that was not
public in the above sense. To quote the Roman jurist,
Ulpian

�Of law, there are two branches, public and
private...Public law covers sacred actions and
priests. Private law is in three parts: principles of
natural law, law of nations, and the imperium. In its
two parts, law is the knowledge of things divine and
human.�

To draw out what Ulpian is stating, in ancient Rome
ius publicum is about the social conditions required
to insure the correct performance of the rites of the
state-supported cult as a public obligation of the
people and state of Rome to fulfill the things that
were fas. Public is what the Roman people
collectively as a people owe to the divine. To draw an
analogy, this corpus of ius publicum that �covers
sacred actions and priests� resembles the kinds of
things one may find in Roman Catholic canon law and in
a Roman Altar Missal. Public law is about the sacred
rites and liturgies at the foundation of the pagan
Roman state and Roman people. The following is a
sample of the kinds of regulations that are found in
and are part of ius publicum as ius sacrum.

1. The flamen Dialis cannot be forced to swear an
oath or bear witness.
2. The flamen Dialis must not set eyes on the army.
3. The flamen Dialis must not mount or touch a
horse.
4. The flamen Dialis must not eat raw meat or beef.
5. The flamen Dialis must not go near a funeral
pyre.
6. The flamen Dialis must avoid fermented substances
7. The flamen Dialis must not touch or speak about a
dog.
8. The flamen Dialis must never, not even at night,
doff entirely the insignia of his priesthood nor
his sacred cord nor see his wife, the flaminica,
entirely in the nude.
9. The flamen's person is sacrosanct, laying hands
on him is death.
10. Any person who shall enter the temple of Jupiter
Optimus Maximus or Minerva shall not have had sexual
relations for two days and must bathe before entering.

By contrast, all other areas of life and law were
private in the sense of being not public in this
specific sense that the Romans meant it. By
�principles of natural law�, Ulpian means all that is
involved in the concept that the cosmos is a divinely
and intelligently designed order in which all things
have their place, value, reason, and purpose; where
human nature naturally has intrinsic value (thus
natural rights that others whether divine or human
must ethically respect and natural obligations that
each person must ethically fulfill whether these
obligations are the things of fas to the divine or
ethical reciprocity of respecting other humans natural
rights); that morality is rooted in the very nature of
the cosmos, and that it is universally and objectively
binding for all peoples, cultures, and times. By �law
of nations�, Ulpian means international law between
nations and by imperium he means all the religious and
secular laws that are not public.

As indicated earlier, besides the very different
conception of what is public and what is private and
the relation between the two spheres, within the ordo
of ius there is also a hierarchy of kinds of law. We
turn to examine that now.

The highest part of the corpus of ius is the one
directly related to the things of fas as ius sacrum.
Ius publicum or ius sacrum is the highest level of law
within the ordo of ius.

Next in descending order is ius civile. For the most
part, what we moderns mean by law is what the Romans
regarded as ius civile. Next in descending order is
ius honorarium. Although ius honorarium is in
principle lower than ius civile, in practice,
especially during imperial times and outside the city
of Rome ius honorarium could go beyond and sometimes
supercede the higher ius civile where the latter was
inapplicable. It should be borne in mind though that
neither the ius honorarium nor the ius civile could
override or supercede the higher ius publicum
throughout the entire history of the pagan Roman
empire. The only time this occurs is when the emperor
Constans made the public pagan cult of Rome illegal.

Different kinds of religions have different kinds of
legal status in ancient Rome. Di indigetes patrii is
the highest legal classification of a religion or god.
Only the state supported Capitoline and Aventine cult
had this highest legal status because it is the
sacrosanct public cult (ius sacrum or ius publicum)
that is the foundation of the Roman state. All other
forms of religion have a lower nonpublic or private
legal classification. There are 3 classifications for
the status of any nonpublic and private cult in the
Roman empire.

First, below the public legal status of di indigetes
patrii is the civil legal status of di indigetes.
Both the domestic cult of the ancestors and the
imperial cult of the genius of the emperor are
examples of cults that have this next lowest legal
status (the imperial cult to the emperor�s genius was
an extension the domestic cult of the imperial
household, and thus, had the private kind of domestic
altar).

Second, all other imported religions from the very
early interpretatio graeca (i.e., the superimposed
interpretation of Roman religious practice in terms of
imported Greek mythology) of Roman religion, the
Mysteries of Bacchus, Cybele, Orphic Mysteries, Isis,
Serapis, to the Mysteries of Mithras and philosophy as
natural and philosophical theology (whether Platonic,
Aristotelian, or Stoic) have the civil status of divi
novensiles. Since all philosophy, as natural
theology, is legally only divi novensiles, this is
partly why Cato, when he was pontifex maximus, in his
dialogue with Cicero, could not and would not use the
legally lower philosophy to justify the legally higher
public cult. Philosophy was a lower divi novensiles
and thereby inapplicable to the higher matters of di
indigetes patrii.

Third, finally, if a cult was not recognized or was
officially condemned, it was religio illicita.
Caligula�s cult, and sometimes, Christianity, had this
status. After Constans banned the public pagan cult of
Rome, it became religio illicita. Later, when
Theodosius banned all pagan cults, paganism in any
form became religio illicita.

This brings us to the end of this brief outline as we
turn to briefly look at the legal change of status of
paganism in the late empire. Legally, ius publicum
regulating the college of pontiffs and the cult of the
di indigetes patrii was first declared superstitio and
religio illicita by Constans� lex constans, which was
in-corporated, re-ratified, and modified as sections
IX, 34, 5 and XVI, 10, 2 of the Codex theodosianus.
Theodosius� own decree that all civil and private
pagan cults, not just the former public cult of Rome,
are illegal is in section XVI, 10, 7 of Codex
theodosianus.



Aulus Sempronius Regulus

Libertas inaestimabilis res est. - Corpus Iuris Civilis
Aequam memento rebus in arduis servare mentem. - Horace

MMDCCLVIII Anno urbis conditae (AUC)



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34508 From: Domitius Constantinus Fuscus Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: Change of email address
Salve

In order to razionalize a bit the mass of emails I'm getting and making it a
little easier to follow the over a dozen NR mailing-lists and mailing-groups
I'm now subscribed and in need of monitoring even when I'm not close to my own
computer, I've opened up an experimental gmail account for all my nova roma
mail.

Consequently, the address dom.con.fus@... WILL BE DISCONTINUED shortly,
even if I will still check on it for the coming couple of weeks to be sure
nothing will get lost before deleting it. So, for everyone who has that address
as my reference mail, please update your address books.

While dom.con.fus@... will be used FOR MAILING LIST PURPOSES, everybody
is
invited to use dom.con.fus@... for the purpose OF PRIVATE MAILS (not a
few of them...). That doesn't mean I shall not reply to private mails recieved
on the mailing lists account, but those recieved on the private mails will have
a higher priority and will have less chance of getting overlooked among the
mass mailing, as it has shamefully happened already a couple of times this
year.

To be said, this might all be temporary and reverse back to the old settings,
as
I've never personally used a gmail account before (even if everyone I've heard
about it assures me it's the perfect solution for mailing lists and high volume
mailings), and should it not prove to be satisfactory, I shall give another
warning about the reversal to the old address.

So, for what is relevant to Nova Roma population and in short, to reach me:

dom.con.fus@... is to be considered no longer active

dom.con.fus@... is the address to send your private inquires,
questions,
comments, requests, just about anything you might want to tell me as private
citizen and/or Tribunus.

Sorry for the inconveniences this might be causing, but this is being done to
serve NR more efficiently and I hope you shall understand.

valete,

Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
Founder of Gens Constantinia
Tribunus Plebis
Aedilis Urbis Iterum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34509 From: Manius Constantinus Serapio Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: Still a few days to interview Prof. Lintott
AVETE OMNES

I remind you that you still have a few days to send me your
questions for Prof. Andrew Lintott on the following subject:

"The Constitution of the Roman Republic"

Andrew Lintott is a Fellow of Worcester College, Oxford and has
recently retired from the position of Professor of Roman History in
that university. His books are Violence in Republican Rome, Violence
and Civil Strife in the Classical City, Imperium Romanum, Judicial
Reform and Land Reform in the Roman Republic, The Constitution of
the Roman Republic, and a breviarium, The Roman Republic. He has
also been joint editor of two volumes (IX and X) of the new
Cambridge Ancient History. He has had regular contact with Italy
since the 1950s and has been a Visiting Fellow at the British School
at Rome.

If you would like to send a question to this expert, send me an
email at mcserapio AT yahoo DOT it

OPTIME VALETE
M'C.Serapio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34511 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: A good abstract about roman government
Salvete,

This is a good website with a very brief and accurate abstract about
the structure of the roman government. I recommend to all novorromani
to take a look, a well spent minute of reading.

http://www.vroma.org/~bmcmanus/romangvt.html

Valete bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus PR
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34512 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Call for Cultural Award !
AVETE CIVES ROMANI !

Ludi Megalenses Cultural Award : "The Trasimenus Battle" !

http://www.cohorssullana.grafosystem.ro

Rules :

1) The literary award, "Megalensia Cultural Award" is open to all the citizens of Nova Roma. The task of the contest is to write a text about a historical deed connected to the cult of the Magna Mater in Rome.

2) The Award is open to single participants or to groups composed of a maximum of 5 citizens. Each participant or group of participants can participate with just _one_ work. It isn't allowed to be a member of a group and participate as a individual at the same time. The contributed work must be in English, with a maximum of 2000 words. These kinds of works are accepted: novel, drama, tragedy about the Trasimenus battle.

3) Each text must have the following facts about the participant(s):
Nova Roman name, real name, Nova Roman Province, age and e-mail address.

4) The deadline to send own work is April 7th 2005 (2758 a.u.c.) at 24.00 time of Roma, by e-mail to iulius_sabinus@... with the subject "Megalesia Cultural Award". Entries posted to any Nova Roma mailing list will be disqualified.

5) The texts will judged by a Jury composed by the following Honourables Citizens:

- Gnaeus Equitus Marinus - Senator and Censor.
- Gaius Popilius Laenas - Senator and Consul.
- Marcus Iulius Perusianus - Senator and Praetor
- Aulus Apollonius Cordus - Legate Provincia Brittania
- Tiberius Galerius Paulinus - Questor, Corypheus Sodalitas Musarum.
- Lucius Iulius Sulla - Senior Curule Aedile.
- Gnaeus Iulius Caesar - Legate Provincia Canada Occidentalis.
- Titus Iulius Sabinus - Curator Aedilis Aranei.

6) Each judge in the jury shall value each work following this table of judgements

- Contents (0-10 points)
- Roman historical references (0-10 points)
- Ars Militaria references (0-10 points)
- Language (0-10 points)
- Specific references to contents (0-10 points)


The points from all judges are summarized and this sum will decide who will win (min. 0 - max. 400)
The judgements of the jury are un-impugnable.

7) The result will be published on April 10th 2005 at the Lucius Iulius Sulla' Cohors Aedilis Websites Ludi Section and on the Main Mailing List of Nova Roma.

8) The winner will have his work published on Lucius Iulius Sulla' Cohors Aedilis Websites Ludi Section and on the Official Website of the Magna Mater Project.

9) The texts will be archived by the Ludi organization. The participants give the copyrights of their text to Nova Roma accepting this regulation. This Regulation is accepted by taking part of the "Megalesia Cultural Award".

OPTIME VALE,

IVL SABINVS

Curator Aedilis Aranei .



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34513 From: Caius Curius Saturninus Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: about the ludi intercessios
Salvete omnes,

There is something I wish to address in public. My wish to do this is
from the fact that first of all I see matter as rather important one
and secondly as my Tribune colleague Marca Hortensia has asked each
Tribunus to express his views. This mail is about the intercessions
over the Ludi recently.

I apologise the late date of this mail, but I was until from Saturday
morning to Thursday evening visiting my relatives in the land of my
ancestors.

In my opinion the matter is clear and simple, but as numerous arguments
have raised I feel it necessary to explain my view in length. In short
I think that there was nothing wrong with the ludi of Aedile Serapio or
Aedile Sulla.

I think that the selection of language for any of these events is under
the powers of the aediles to decide. This justification comes from many
sources: There is tradition that these ludi events have been arranged
in English in at least the past four years time, which admittably is
not very long time, but a tradition still. Then there is the law about
languages which says, as Tribune Albucius himself has analysed here in
this list, that business-language is English in NR. Even while the law
expressively does not say that, I think it is more than reasonable to
interpret the law in the way that competitions can be arranged in
English. Then there are simply the constitutionally defined powers of
the Aediles.

What comes to the claim that constitution protects freedom of
expression and forbids excludement of any faction of population, that
view is correct, but I think that Tribune Albucius has overlooked the
fact that people who apply to the citizenship of NR (i.e. membership of
organisation) apply it conscious about the approved laws (i.e. rules),
and they know that business language is English in NR. The law that
states this is approved in democratic way within the laws (i.e. rules)
of NR and it is therefore legal as it is not against the constitution.

So in my point of view the question is about how one interprets those
laws that are legal and in that respect I hope I have shown my opinion
that I disagree with my colleague Albucius in this matter. Besides, as
it has been shown, the intercessio against Aedile Serapio's edict was
late.

What comes to the intercessio of Marca Hortensia I must thank her doing
it, but in the same sentance I have to say that I would have hoped that
she would have given a little more time to Tribune Albucius himself to
withdraw the intercessio as proofs started coming that he was wrong
with it.

On a personal note, I wish good luck for both the Aediles in their
Ludi, what a wonderful events there will be!

Valete,


Caius Curius Saturninus

Tribunus Plebis
Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34514 From: Caius Curius Saturninus Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: Senate voting results
Salvete omnes,

As I was unable to report Senate session last month due being in the
maternity hospital with my wife, this month it was my turn to report
about it.

Here are the official results given by Consul Franciscus Apulus Caesar.

20 Senatores have voted, which satisfies the requirements for a quorum.
This is list of the Senatores which have voted:

FAC - Franciscus Apulus Caesar
GPL - G. Popillius Laenas
GEM - Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
CFQ - Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
PC - Patricia Cassia
LAF - Lucius Arminius Faustus
GSA - Gnaeus Salix Astur
LSA - L. Sergius Australicus
LECA - Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
TLF - T Labienus Fortunatus
MMTA - Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens
MIP - Marcus Iulius Perusianus
DIPI - Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus
MAM - Marcus Arminius Maior
AGG - Antonius Gryllus Graecus
CFD - C. Flavius Diocletianus
JSM - Julilla Sempronia Magna
ECF - Emilia Curia Finnica
MCS - Manius Constantinus Serapio
PMTS - Pompeia Minucia-Tiberia Strabo

Here is the summary of the voting results, longer version, with the
votes of individual Senators and their comments, is at the end of this
message.

Item 1 - Approval of budget - PASSED
Item 2 - Creation of Dacia province - PASSED
Item 3 - Nova Roma sponsorship for Legio III Cyrenaica - PASSED
Item 4 - Removal of Claudius Salix Davianus from interpreters - PASSED
Item 5 - Appointment of Philippus Conservatus Maior as German
interpreter - PASSED
Item 6 - Julilla Sempronia Magna prorogued as governor of Provincia
America Boreoccidentalis - PASSED
Item 8 - Manius Constantinus Serapio prorogued as governor of Provincia
Italia - PASSED
Item 9 - Marcus Adrianus Complutensis prorogued as governor of
Provincia Hispania - PASSED
Item 10 - Quintus Fabius Maximus prorogued as governor of Provincia
California - PASSED
Item 11 - Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens prorogued as governor of
Provincia Nova Britannia - PASSED
Item 12 - Gaius Argentinus Cicero prorogued as governor of Provincia
Argentina - PASSED
Item 13 - Gaia Fabia Livia prorogued as governor of Provincia Britannia
- PASSED
Item 14 - Quintus Lanius Paulinus prorogued as governor of Provincia
Canada Occidentalis - PASSED
Item 15 - Quintus Servilius Fidenas prorogued as governor of Provincia
America Medioccidentalis Superior - PASSED
Item 16 - Marcus Bianchius Antoninus prorogued as governor of Provincia
Lacus Magni - PASSED
Item 17 - Gnaeus Equitius Marinus prorogued as governor of Provincia
Mediatlantica - PASSED
Item 18 - Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura prorogued as governor of
Provincia Australia - PASSED
Item 19 - Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo appointed as governor of
Provincia Canada Orientalis - PASSED
Item 20 - Arnamentia Moravia appointed as governor of Provincia America
Austroccidentalis - PASSED
Item 21 - Caius Curius Saturninus appointed as governor of Provincia
Thule - PASSED
Item 22 - Sextus Apollonius Scipio appointed as governor of Provincia
Gallia - PASSED
Item 23 - Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus appointed as governor of Provincia
Pannonia - PASSED
Item 24 - Gaius Arminius Reccanellus appointed as governor of Provincia
Brasilia - PASSED
Item 25 - Decimus Gladius Lupus appointed as governor of Provincia
Hibernia - PASSED
Item 26 - Marcus Philippus Conservatus Maior appointed as governor of
Provincia Germania - PASSED


Detailed version of the voting results:

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Item 1
Approval of the budget for the year 2758 (2005) [you can find the
excel file with about the budget in the File section (folder
"Financial") of the Senatorial list]

PASSED (19 VTI ROGAS; 1 ABSTINEO)

FAC: VTI ROGAS
GPL: VTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS
MIP: VTI ROGAS
CFD: VTI ROGAS
GEM: VTI ROGAS
GSA: VTI ROGAS
JSM: VTI ROGAS
CFQ: VTI ROGAS: I should have asked questions during the week before.
But I really think it is a problem that we don't have any budget
debate/discussion. I would like to see the Consules during the next
year appoint a Budget Committee so at least some Senatores take the
Budget seriously in the future. Please forgive me that I missed to ask
some questions before the voting, still I feel I must ask some now.
What is the aim for the post "NR in Europe"? There seem to be an effort
for some outreach activity in Sodalitas Egressus. I am not sure if it
will cost any money. But I would like to know if it shouldn't have been
budgeted for in at least one of the two posts Recruitment and Outreach
effort? I must also point out that the Consules never consulted the
Censors about the expanses for the Census, something that should be
done! Nova Roma really need to create some stabile financial routines
when it comes to the Budget. The control of the budget is the strong
point of the Senate and we should take care of it properly! Still I
can't find any reason to vote against the budget. But in the future I
would like to see each point motivated, at least shortly
PC: VTI ROGAS
LECA: VTI ROGAS
MMTA: VTI ROGAS
AGG: VTI ROGAS
LSA: VTI ROGAS
ECF: VTI ROGAS
MCS: ABSTINEO
MAM: VTI ROGAS
PMTS: VTI ROGAS: While I recognize the concerns of M. Constantinus
Serapio, I believe the budget is such that it provides an adequate
financial planning framework, from which we can appropriately operate
this year. My personal compliments to Servius Mercurius Equitius
Troianus Quaestor for his outstanding assistance in this regard.
TLF: VTI ROGAS
DIPI: VTI ROGAS

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Item 2
Creation of Provincia Dacia representing the modern Romania

PASSED (19 VTI ROGAS; 1 ABSTINEO)

FAC: VTI ROGAS: I'm very happy to propose and vote for the creation of
the following Provincia thanking all the active citizens which are
working to promote NR in Romania as well as possible.
GPL: VTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS
MIP: VTI ROGAS: Happy to see Dacia into NR, with many cives and,
especially, such a eager one as my relative T.Iulio Sabinus.
CFD: ABSTINEO: I was unable to follow the foregoing threads about this
topic.
GEM: VTI ROGAS
GSA: VTI ROGAS: I wish the best of luck to the citizens of Dacia, and
hope to meet some of them in the Urbs Aeterna this summer during the
European Meeting.
JSM: VTI ROGAS
CFQ: VTI ROGAS
PC: VTI ROGAS
LECA: VTI ROGAS
MMTA: VTI ROGAS
AGG: VTI ROGAS
LSA: VTI ROGAS
ECF: VTI ROGAS
MCS: VTI ROGAS: I have been following Sabinus' hard work for this
area. I wish Dacia all the best
MAM: VTI ROGAS
PMTS: VTI ROGAS
TLF: VTI ROGAS
DIPI: VTI ROGAS

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Item 3
Nova Roma sponsorship to the Legio III "Cyrenaica" including Century
I, Cohort II and Century III, Cohort IV "Menapii".

PASSED (18 VTI ROGAS; 2 ABSTINEO)

FAC: VTI ROGAS
GPL: VTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS
MIP: ABSTINEO
CFD: VTI ROGAS
GEM: VTI ROGAS
GSA: VTI ROGAS
JSM: VTI ROGAS
CFQ: VTI ROGAS
PC: VTI ROGAS
LECA: VTI ROGAS
MMTA: VTI ROGAS
AGG: VTI ROGAS
LSA: VTI ROGAS
ECF: ABSTINEO
MCS: VTI ROGAS
MAM: VTI ROGAS
PMTS: VTI ROGAS
TLF: VTI ROGAS
DIPI: VTI ROGAS

+++++++

Item 4 (proposed by censor Gnaeus Equitius Marinus)
Claudius Salix Davianus' removal for non-performance of statutory
duties as Latin Interpreter.

PASSED (16 VTI ROGAS; 4 ABSTINEO)

FAC: ABSTINEO
GPL: VTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS: But just this time. We must have a law with a clear
definition of time of the duties of the interpreters, a magitrature
responsible for coordinate their action and a minimum work requirement.
A good sugestion for the consules and tribunes here.
MIP: VTI ROGAS
CFD: VTI ROGAS
GEM: VTI ROGAS: While I recognize that Salix Davianus has done fine
work in the past, he has been absent from the Decuria of Interpreters
for over a year.
GSA: VTI ROGAS: Although Davianus is a good friend of mine, and I only
wish him well, it is true that he has been too busy lately to perform
the duties he had acquired; so, in the best interest of the State, he
must be replaced. I am sure that he will understand this decision.
JSM: VTI ROGAS
CFQ: VTI ROGAS: I thank Claudius Salix Davianus for his work!
PC: VTI ROGAS
LECA: VTI ROGAS
MMTA: ABSTINEO: I have no knowledge of this individual's performance.
AGG: VTI ROGAS
LSA: VTI ROGAS
ECF: VTI ROGAS
MCS: VTI ROGAS
MAM: VTI ROGAS: Claudius Salix served well in the past, but apparently
isn't able to collaborate anymore.
PMTS: ABSTINEO
TLF: VTI ROGAS
DIPI: ABSTINEO

+++++++

Item 5 (proposed by censor Gnaeus Equitius Marinus)
Tiberius Annaeus Otho has just resigned as German interpreter, and one
should be appointed. Philippus Conservatus Maior presented his
candidacy to serve in that position. He is a native speaker and a good
Latinist too.

PASSED (20 VTI ROGAS)

FAC: VTI ROGAS
GPL: VTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS
MIP: VTI ROGAS
CFD: VTI ROGAS
GEM: VTI ROGAS
GSA: VTI ROGAS: With my gratitude towards Conservatus.
JSM: VTI ROGAS
CFQ: VTI ROGAS: Marcus Flavius Conservatus Maior is a good citizen, he
will vdo a good job.
PC: VTI ROGAS
LECA: VTI ROGAS
MMTA: VTI ROGAS
AGG: VTI ROGAS
LSA: VTI ROGAS
ECF: VTI ROGAS
MCS: VTI ROGAS
MAM: VTI ROGAS
PMTS: VTI ROGAS
TLF: VTI ROGAS
DIPI: VTI ROGAS

+++++++

Item 7
Julilla Sempronia Magna to be prorogued as governor (Propraetor) of
America Boreoccidentalis.

PASSED (19 VTI ROGAS; 1 ABSTINEO)

FAC: VTI ROGAS
GPL: VTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS
MIP: VTI ROGAS
CFD: VTI ROGAS
GEM: VTI ROGAS
GSA: VTI ROGAS
JSM: ABSTINEO
CFQ: VTI ROGAS
PC: VTI ROGAS
LECA: VTI ROGAS
MMTA: VTI ROGAS
AGG: VTI ROGAS
LSA: VTI ROGAS
ECF: VTI ROGAS
MCS: VTI ROGAS
MAM: VTI ROGAS
PMTS: VTI ROGAS
TLF: VTI ROGAS
DIPI: VTI ROGAS

+++++++

Item 8
Manius Constantinus Serapio to be prorogued as governor (Propraetor)
of Italia.

PASSED (19 VTI ROGAS; 1 ABSTINEO)

FAC: VTI ROGAS
GPL: VTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS
MIP: VTI ROGAS: I praise the first year of my friend Serapio as
governor and I bet Italia will have even a better year under his
guidance.
CFD: VTI ROGAS
GEM: VTI ROGAS
GSA: VTI ROGAS
JSM: VTI ROGAS
CFQ: VTI ROGAS
PC: VTI ROGAS
LECA: VTI ROGAS
MMTA: VTI ROGAS
AGG: VTI ROGAS
LSA: VTI ROGAS
ECF: VTI ROGAS
MCS: ABSTINEO
MAM: VTI ROGAS
PMTS: VTI ROGAS
TLF: VTI ROGAS
DIPI: VTI ROGAS

+++++++

Item 9
Marcus Adrianus Complutensis to be prorogued as governor (Propraetor)
of Hispania.

PASSED (19 VTI ROGAS; 1 ABSTINEO)

FAC: VTI ROGAS
GPL: VTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS
MIP: VTI ROGAS
CFD: VTI ROGAS
GEM: VTI ROGAS
GSA: VTI ROGAS
JSM: VTI ROGAS
CFQ: VTI ROGAS
PC: VTI ROGAS
LECA: VTI ROGAS
MMTA: ABSTINEO: I have no knowledge of this indivdual
AGG: VTI ROGAS
LSA: VTI ROGAS
ECF: VTI ROGAS
MCS: VTI ROGAS
MAM: VTI ROGAS
PMTS: VTI ROGAS
TLF: VTI ROGAS
DIPI: VTI ROGAS

+++++++

Item 10
Quintus Fabius Maximus to be prorogued as governor (Proconsul) of
California.

PASSED (15 VTI ROGAS; 5 ABSTINEO)

FAC: VTI ROGAS
GPL: VTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS
MIP: VTI ROGAS
CFD: VTI ROGAS
GEM: VTI ROGAS
GSA: ABSTINEO
JSM: VTI ROGAS
CFQ: ABSTINEO
PC: VTI ROGAS
LECA: VTI ROGAS
MMTA: VTI ROGAS
AGG: VTI ROGAS
LSA: VTI ROGAS
ECF: ABSTINEO
MCS: ABSTINEO
MAM: VTI ROGAS
PMTS: ABSTINEO
TLF: VTI ROGAS
DIPI: VTI ROGAS

+++++++

Item 11
Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens to be prorogued as governor
(Proconsul) of Nova Britannia.

PASSED (19 VTI ROGAS; 1 ABSTINEO)

FAC: VTI ROGAS
GPL: VTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS
MIP: VTI ROGAS
CFD: VTI ROGAS
GEM: VTI ROGAS
GSA: VTI ROGAS
JSM: VTI ROGAS
CFQ: VTI ROGAS
PC: VTI ROGAS, with thanks for his dedication and hard work. (Not that
the others aren't dedicated as well, but I am most familiar with
Audens' efforts.)
LECA: VTI ROGAS: I had thought that someone new would/should have an
opportunity, but I've been informed that no one else is interested in
the position and Senator Audens has done good work.
MMTA: ABSTINEO
AGG: VTI ROGAS
LSA: VTI ROGAS
ECF: VTI ROGAS
MCS: VTI ROGAS
MAM: VTI ROGAS
PMTS: VTI ROGAS
TLF: VTI ROGAS
DIPI: VTI ROGAS

+++++++

Item 12
Gaius Argentinus Cicero to be prorogued as governor (Propraetor) of
Argentina.

PASSED (19 VTI ROGAS; 1 ABSTINEO)

FAC: VTI ROGAS
GPL: VTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS: he will have much to work with G. Arminius Reccanellus.
MIP: VTI ROGAS
CFD: VTI ROGAS
GEM: VTI ROGAS
GSA: VTI ROGAS
JSM: VTI ROGAS
CFQ: VTI ROGAS
PC: VTI ROGAS
LECA: VTI ROGAS
MMTA: VTI ROGAS
AGG: VTI ROGAS
LSA: VTI ROGAS
ECF: VTI ROGAS
MCS: ABSTINEO: As far as I can see in the Senate archives, he did not
send the annual report about Provincia Argentina. In case he did please
accept my apologies. Otherwise, I abstain.
MAM: VTI ROGAS
PMTS: VTI ROGAS
TLF: VTI ROGAS
DIPI: VTI ROGAS

+++++++

Item 13
Gaia Fabia Livia to be prorogued as governor (Propraetor) of Britannia.

PASSED (20 VTI ROGAS)

FAC: VTI ROGAS
GPL: VTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS
MIP: VTI ROGAS
CFD: VTI ROGAS
GEM: VTI ROGAS
GSA: VTI ROGAS
JSM: VTI ROGAS
CFQ: VTI ROGAS
PC: VTI ROGAS
LECA: VTI ROGAS
MMTA: VTI ROGAS
AGG: VTI ROGAS
LSA: VTI ROGAS
ECF: VTI ROGAS
MCS: VTI ROGAS: She is doing an outstanding job in Britannia. I am
glad to give her my vote!
MAM: VTI ROGAS
PMTS: VTI ROGAS
TLF: VTI ROGAS
DIPI: VTI ROGAS: With pleasure, Fabia Livia is a bright spot of
dedication in Nova Roma.

+++++++

PASSED (20 VTI ROGAS)

Item 14
Quintus Lanius Paulinus to be prorogued as governor (Propraetor) of
Canada Occidentalis.

FAC: VTI ROGAS
GPL: VTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS
MIP: VTI ROGAS
CFD: VTI ROGAS
GEM: VTI ROGAS
GSA: VTI ROGAS
JSM: VTI ROGAS
CFQ: VTI ROGAS
PC: VTI ROGAS
LECA: VTI ROGAS
MMTA: VTI ROGAS
AGG: VTI ROGAS
LSA: VTI ROGAS
ECF: VTI ROGAS
MCS: VTI ROGAS
MAM: VTI ROGAS
PMTS: VTI ROGAS
TLF: VTI ROGAS
DIPI: VTI ROGAS

+++++++

Item 15
Quintus Servilius Fidenas to be prorogued as governor (Propraetor) of
America Medioccidentalis Superior.

PASSED (20 VTI ROGAS)

FAC: VTI ROGAS
GPL: VTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS
MIP: VTI ROGAS
CFD: VTI ROGAS
GEM: VTI ROGAS
GSA: VTI ROGAS
JSM: VTI ROGAS
CFQ: VTI ROGAS
PC: VTI ROGAS
LECA: VTI ROGAS
MMTA: VTI ROGAS
AGG: VTI ROGAS
LSA: VTI ROGAS
ECF: VTI ROGAS
MCS: VTI ROGAS
MAM: VTI ROGAS
PMTS: VTI ROGAS
TLF: VTI ROGAS
DIPI: VTI ROGAS

+++++++

Item 16
Marcus Bianchius Antonius to be prorogued as governor (Propraetor) of
Lacus Magni.

PASSED (19 VTI ROGAS; 1 ABSTINEO)

FAC: VTI ROGAS
GPL: VTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS
MIP: VTI ROGAS
CFD: VTI ROGAS
GEM: VTI ROGAS
GSA: VTI ROGAS
JSM: VTI ROGAS
CFQ: VTI ROGAS
PC: VTI ROGAS
LECA: VTI ROGAS
MMTA: VTI ROGAS
AGG: VTI ROGAS
LSA: VTI ROGAS
ECF: VTI ROGAS
MCS: ABSTINEO: As far as I can see in the Senate archives, he did not
send the annual report about Provincia Lacus Magni. In case he did
please accept my apologies. Otherwise, I abstain.
MAM: VTI ROGAS
PMTS: VTI ROGAS
TLF: VTI ROGAS
DIPI: VTI ROGAS

+++++++

Item 17
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus to be prorogued as governor (Proconsul) of
Mediatlantica.

PASSED (19 VTI ROGAS; 1 ABSTINEO)

FAC: VTI ROGAS
GPL: VTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS
MIP: VTI ROGAS
CFD: VTI ROGAS
GEM: ABSTINEO
GSA: VTI ROGAS
JSM: VTI ROGAS
CFQ: VTI ROGAS
PC: VTI ROGAS
LECA: VTI ROGAS
MMTA: VTI ROGAS
AGG: VTI ROGAS
LSA: VTI ROGAS
ECF: VTI ROGAS
MCS: VTI ROGAS
MAM: VTI ROGAS
PMTS: VTI ROGAS
TLF: VTI ROGAS
DIPI: VTI ROGAS

+++++++

Item 18
Gaius Sentius Bruttius Sura to be prorogued as governor (Propraetor)
of Australia.

PASSED (20 VTI ROGAS)

FAC: VTI ROGAS
GPL: VTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS
MIP: VTI ROGAS
CFD: VTI ROGAS
GEM: VTI ROGAS
GSA: VTI ROGAS
JSM: VTI ROGAS
CFQ: VTI ROGAS
PC: VTI ROGAS
LECA: VTI ROGAS
MMTA: VTI ROGAS
AGG: VTI ROGAS
LSA: VTI ROGAS
ECF: VTI ROGAS
MCS: VTI ROGAS
MAM: VTI ROGAS
PMTS: VTI ROGAS
TLF: VTI ROGAS
DIPI: VTI ROGAS

+++++++

Item 19
Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo to be appointed governor (Propraetor)
of Canada Orientalis.

PASSED (17 VTI ROGAS; 2 ANTIQVO; 1 ABSTINEO)

FAC: VTI ROGAS
GPL: VTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS
MIP: VTI ROGAS: Well deserved amica.
GEM: VTI ROGAS
GSA: VTI ROGAS
JSM: VTI ROGAS
CFQ: VTI ROGAS: I am happy to see Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo back
at the rudder of this Provincia.
PC: VTI ROGAS
LECA: ANTIQVO: as my friend Palladius has said, I cannot vote for her
in good conscience.
MMTA: VTI ROGAS
AGG: VTI ROGAS
LSA: VTI ROGAS
ECF: VTI ROGAS
MCS: VTI ROGAS: She has already been governor of Canada orientalis in
the past. She knows the job and I know she will do it to the best.
MAM: VTI ROGAS
PMTS: ABSTINEO
TLF: VTI ROGAS
DIPI: ANTIQVO

+++++++

Item 20
Arnamentia Moravia to be appointed governor (Propraetor) of America
Austroccidentalis.

PASSED (20 VTI ROGAS)

FAC: VTI ROGAS
GPL: VTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS
MIP: VTI ROGAS
CFD: VTI ROGAS
GEM: VTI ROGAS: A very good choice. She has served the Republic well
over the years and I have every confidence she will do so again.
GSA: VTI ROGAS
JSM: VTI ROGAS: An outstanding appointment. I cannot recommend her
highly enough for her many talents and for her dedication. She served
with distinction as my legata and will shine in her new provincia.
CFQ: VTI ROGAS: Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia will do a good job.
PC: VTI ROGAS
LECA: VTI ROGAS
MMTA: VTI ROGAS
AGG: VTI ROGAS
LSA: VTI ROGAS
ECF: VTI ROGAS
MCS: VTI ROGAS
MAM: VTI ROGAS
PMTS: VTI ROGAS
TLF: VTI ROGAS
DIPI: VTI ROGAS

+++++++

Item 21
Caius Curius Saturninus to be appointed governor (Propraetor) of Thule.

PASSED (15 VTI ROGAS; 2 ANTIQVO; 3 ABSTINEO)

FAC: VTI ROGAS
GPL: VTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS
MIP: VTI ROGAS
CFD: VTI ROGAS
GEM: VTI ROGAS
GSA: VTI ROGAS
JSM: VTI ROGAS
CFQ: VTI ROGAS: Caius Curius Saturninus has my full support and will
do a good job.
PC: VTI ROGAS
LECA: ANTIQVO Also, I have wanted to hear his side of the story in the
ongoing resignation debate, but he has been conspicuous by his silence.
Not the 'stuff' of a leader in my mind, nevermind having resigned
citzenship and Tribune.
MMTA: ABSTINEO: I cannot in good conscience agree to appoint a person
as ProPraetor of a Provincia who has so recently resigned his offices,
responsibilities and NR Citizenship. I feel that the task of being a
ProPraeor is such that a great deal of patience and effort is involved,
not to mention the frustration of maintaining a Provincia as an active
unit of NOva Roma. This without some indication that he has re-earned
the right to stand for this resposibility. However, Censor
Quintillianus has spoken for this man, and so I will not actively
oppose the candidate.
AGG: ABSTINEO
LSA: ABSTINEO: on consideration of the point raised by M.
Tiberius-Audens
ECF: VTI ROGAS
MCS: VTI ROGAS
MAM: VTI ROGAS
PMTS: VTI ROGAS
TLF: VTI ROGAS
DIPI: ANTIQVO

+++++++

Item 22
Sextus Apollonius Scipio to be appointed governor (Propraetor) of
Gallia.

PASSED (20 VTI ROGAS)

FAC: VTI ROGAS
GPL: VTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS
MIP: VTI ROGAS
CFD: VTI ROGAS
GEM: VTI ROGAS
GSA: VTI ROGAS
JSM: VTI ROGAS
CFQ: VTI ROGAS: I am very happy to see Sextus Apollonius Scipio return
to work in Nova Roma.
PC: VTI ROGAS
LECA: VTI ROGAS
MMTA: VTI ROGAS
AGG: VTI ROGAS
LSA: VTI ROGAS
ECF: VTI ROGAS
MCS: VTI ROGAS: I am glad to see Scipio coming back. I wish him good
luck with Gallia. I would also like to thank Minervalis for his work
during the past year.
MAM: VTI ROGAS
PMTS: VTI ROGAS
TLF: VTI ROGAS
DIPI: VTI ROGAS

+++++++

Item 23
Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus to be appointed governor (Propraetor) of
Pannonia.

PASSED (20 VTI ROGAS)

FAC: VTI ROGAS
GPL: VTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS
MIP: VTI ROGAS: I had the opportunity to meet Gnaeus Cornelius
Lentulus in person and have a nice visit together at the Capitolinus
Museums here in Rome: Nova Roma will soon figure out what a deserving
and prepared civis this Hungarian is.
CFD: VTI ROGAS
GEM: VTI ROGAS
GSA: VTI ROGAS
JSM: VTI ROGAS
CFQ: VTI ROGAS: I am sure Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus will do a good job.
PC: VTI ROGAS
LECA: VTI ROGAS
MMTA: VTI ROGAS
AGG: VTI ROGAS
LSA: VTI ROGAS
ECF: VTI ROGAS
MCS: VTI ROGAS: I know this citizen. He has a lot of enthusiasm and
the right strength to lead Pannonia. Good luck.
MAM: VTI ROGAS
PMTS: VTI ROGAS
TLF: VTI ROGAS
DIPI: VTI ROGAS


+++++++

Item 24
Gaius Arminius Reccanellus to be appointed governor (Propraetor) of
Brasilia.

PASSED (20 VTI ROGAS)

FAC: VTI ROGAS
GPL: VTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS: my grestest thanks to my sucessor on the provincial
fasces!
MIP: VTI ROGAS
CFD: VTI ROGAS
GEM: VTI ROGAS
GSA: VTI ROGAS
JSM: VTI ROGAS
CFQ: VTI ROGAS: I will follow Gaius Arminius Reccanellus with high
expectations as he comes with good recommendatios.
PC: VTI ROGAS
LECA: VTI ROGAS
MMTA: VTI ROGAS
AGG: VTI ROGAS
LSA: VTI ROGAS
ECF: VTI ROGAS
MCS: VTI ROGAS
MAM: VTI ROGAS: Gaius Arminius arrived recently to Nova Roma and
Provincia Brasilia, and demonstrated great interest and energy. Hope he
succeed to implement his ambitious plans to our province.
PMTS: VTI ROGAS
TLF: VTI ROGAS
DIPI: VTI ROGAS

+++++++

Item 25
Decimus Gladius Lupus to be appointed governor (Propraetor) of
Hibernia.

PASSED (20 VTI ROGAS)

FAC: VTI ROGAS
GPL: VTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS
MIP: VTI ROGAS
CFD: VTI ROGAS
GEM: VTI ROGAS
GSA: VTI ROGAS
JSM: VTI ROGAS
CFQ: VTI ROGAS: Hibernia will need a strong Propraetor, he will have
my support.
PC: VTI ROGAS
LECA: VTI ROGAS
MMTA: VTI ROGAS
AGG: VTI ROGAS
LSA: VTI ROGAS
ECF: VTI ROGAS
MCS: VTI ROGAS
MAM: VTI ROGAS
PMTS: VTI ROGAS
TLF: VTI ROGAS
DIPI: VTI ROGAS

+++++++

Item 26
Marcus Philippus Conservatus Maior to be appointed governor
(Propraetor) of Germania.

PASSED (20 VTI ROGAS)

FAC: VTI ROGAS
GPL: VTI ROGAS
LAF: VTI ROGAS
MIP: VTI ROGAS
CFD: VTI ROGAS: My best wishes are with Conservatus.
GEM: VTI ROGAS
GSA: VTI ROGAS
JSM: VTI ROGAS
CFQ: VTI ROGAS: I would like to see Germania grow. If anyone can do
that it is Marcus Philippus Conservatus Maior.
PC: VTI ROGAS
LECA: VTI ROGAS
MMTA: VTI ROGAS
AGG: VTI ROGAS
LSA: VTI ROGAS
ECF: VTI ROGAS
MCS: VTI ROGAS: Another citizen I expect a lot from. It won't be easy
to deal with Germania, but I trust him. I wish to thank Senator
Diocletianus for his work in the past years as governor.
MAM: VTI ROGAS
PMTS: VTI ROGAS
TLF: VTI ROGAS
DIPI: VTI ROGAS

+++++++ End of Senate session report.

Valete,


Caius Curius Saturninus

Tribunus Plebis
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34515 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: Edictum Praetoricium America Boreoccidentalis 2758-i
Ex Officio Propraetoris America Boreoccidentalis


Edictum Praetoricium 2758-i releasing Caius Cornelius Varus and appointing
Lucius Aelius Baeticus Legatus of Regio I and II


I. I
release Caius Livius Varus Germanicus, with thanks and affection for his
services to Nova Roma, and wish him success in his future home and career.

II. In order
to assure representation for Regio I - Vasintonia Boreoccidentalis
(Northwest Washington) and Regio II - Vasintonia Austroccidentalis
(Southwest Washington), I hereby appoint Lucius Aelius Baeticus Legatus of
Regios I and II I and II.

III. This edictum
becomes effective immediately.

Given under my hand ante diem Kal. APRILES MMDCCLVIII A.U.C. in the
consulship of Franciscus Apulus Caesar and Gaius Popillius Laenas.
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34516 From: Julilla Sempronia Magna Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: Edictum Praetoricium America Boreoccidentalis 2758-ii
Ex Officio Propraetoris America Boreoccidentalis


Edictum Praetoricium 2758-ii appointing Iusta Sempronia Iustina Scriba
Provincialis


I.
Recognising the need for improved communications between the cives
Provinciam and in recognition of her broad participation in Nova Roma, I
hereby appoint Iusta Sempronia Iustina Scriba Provinciam America
Boreoccidentalis.

II. This
edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given under my hand ante diem Kal. APRILES MMDCCLVIII A.U.C. in the
consulship of Franciscus Apulus Caesar and Gaius Popillius Laenas.
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34517 From: Lucius Arminius Faustus Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: Edictum Praetoricium V - New Moderator for Main List
L. Arminius Faustus praetor to all roman people of the quirites,

By this edictum, I, in my praetoricium imperium, add to the potestas of censor G. Equitius Marinus the capacity of moderation of Main List of Nova Roma for the month of april.

I thank G. Equitius Marinus by offering himself to help us.

Valete bene in pacem deorum,
L. Arminius Faustus PR


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34518 From: Reccanello Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: Iuramenta - Juramento - Oath
Ego, Caius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir F. Reccanello) hoc ipso facto sollemniter IVRO Novae Romae decus defendere et semper pro Novae Romae Populo atque Senatu agere. Ut Novae Romae magistratus ego Caius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir F. Reccanello) Romae deos deasque colere IVRO in omnibus publicae vitae temporibus atque Romanas virtutes et publica et privata vita persequi.

Ego Caius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir F. Reccanello) Romanam religionem favere et defendere IVRO ut Novae Romae Reipublicae religionem et numquam agere ita ut eius status publicae religionis aliquid detrimenti capiat. Praeterea ego Caius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir F. Reccanello) IVRO quam optime fungi officium muneris Propraetor Brasiliae.

Meo Novae Romae civis honore et coram Populi Romani deis atque deabus et eorum voluntate et favore, munus Propraetor Brasiliae ACCIPIO una cum iuribus, privilegiis. munera atque officia quae meum munus comportat.

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Eu, Caius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir F. Reccanello), por meio deste solenemente juro guardar a honra de Nova Roma, e trabalhar sempre para os melhores interesses do Senado e povo de Nova Roma. Como um magistrado de Nova Roma, Eu, Caius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir F. Reccanello), juro honrar os Deuses e Deusas de Roma nas minhas atividades públicas, bem como almejar as virtudes públicas romanas na minha vida pública e privada.

Eu, Caius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir F. Reccanello), juro sustentar e defender a Religio Romana como a Religião Estatal de Nova Roma e juro nunca agir de forma que vá ameaçar sua posição como religião oficial. Eu, Caius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir F. Reccanello), juro proteger e defender a constituição de Nova Roma. Eu, Caius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir F. Reccanello), no mais juro cumprir as obrigações e responsabilidades do cargo de Propraetor Brasiliae no melhor de minhas habilidades.

Pela minha honra como cidadão de Nova Roma, na presença dos Deuses e Deusas do Povo Romano, pelas suas mercês e favores, aceito a magistratura de Propraetor Brasiliae bem como todos seus direitos, privilégios, obrigações e responsabilidades decorrentes de agora em diante.

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I, Caius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir F. Reccanello) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma. As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Caius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir F. Reccanello) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Caius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir F. Reccanello) swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion. I, Caius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir F. Reccanello), swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma. I, Caius Arminius Reccanellus (Waldir F. Reccanello) further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of Propraetor Brasiliae to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Propraetor Brasiliae and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34519 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: Nova Roma - Provincia Dacia
AVE CIVES NOVAROMANI !

The creation of Provincia Dacia is dedicated to Magna Mater. Now, with her goodwill, everything is possible !

I want to thanks to all Senators for the positive vote. Is time for Provincia Dacia to take her place in NR world.
I want to thanks to Gnaeus Iulius Caesar and Marcia Martiana Marcella, my first friends in NR. Always they have a good advice for me.
I want to thanks to all Provincia Italia, particularly to Serapio, Apulus Caesar, Iulius Perusianus and Iulius Sulla. My friends, all my respect.

And, of course, I want to thanks to all citizens from NR. What a wonderful community !

OPTIME VALE,
IVL SABINVS
DACIA PROVINCE






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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34520 From: raymond fuentes Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: Re: Nova Roma - Provincia Dacia
Ave! Ave! Ave! A new province and no losses to our
legio nor one pilum thrown...outstanding!
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> AVE CIVES NOVAROMANI !
>
> The creation of Provincia Dacia is dedicated to
Magna Mater. Now, with her goodwill, everything is
possible !
>
> I want to thanks to all Senators for the positive
vote. Is time for Provincia Dacia to take her place
in NR world.
> I want to thanks to Gnaeus Iulius Caesar and Marcia
Martiana Marcella, my first friends in NR. Always they
have a good advice for me.
> I want to thanks to all Provincia Italia,
particularly to Serapio, Apulus Caesar, Iulius
Perusianus and Iulius Sulla. My friends, all my
respect.
>
> And, of course, I want to thanks to all citizens
from NR. What a wonderful community !
>
> OPTIME VALE,
> IVL SABINVS
> DACIA PROVINCE
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34521 From: Maior Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: Re: Nova Roma - Provincia Dacia
M. Hortensia Maior T. Iulio Sabino spd;
Euge! What a great day, to have an entire province join us.
Welcome to all the Dacii! May Cybele the Mother of the gods watch
over and protect your province.
optime vale
Marca Hortensia Maior TRP
caput Officina Iuriis et
Investigatio CFQ


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@y...>
wrote:
> AVE CIVES NOVAROMANI !
>
> The creation of Provincia Dacia is dedicated to Magna Mater. Now,
with her goodwill, everything is possible !
>
> I want to thanks to all Senators for the positive vote. Is time
for Provincia Dacia to take her place in NR world.
> I want to thanks to Gnaeus Iulius Caesar and Marcia Martiana
Marcella, my first friends in NR. Always they have a good advice for
me.
> I want to thanks to all Provincia Italia, particularly to Serapio,
Apulus Caesar, Iulius Perusianus and Iulius Sulla. My friends, all my
respect.
>
> And, of course, I want to thanks to all citizens from NR. What a
wonderful community !
>
> OPTIME VALE,
> IVL SABINVS
> DACIA PROVINCE
>
>
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>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34522 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Call for Munera Gladiatoria and Venationes !
AVE NOVAROMANI !

Until April 4th you can send your subscriptions for Munera Gladiatoris and Venationes !
Circus Maximus still wait you. The entrance is for free in that days.
We have dreadful animals, pitiless gladiators and ...surprises.

Don't hesitate !

For details :

http://cohorssullana.grafosystem.ro

And don't forget : Only one is the winner !

OPTIME VALE,
IVL SABINVS
Curator Aedilis Aranei


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34523 From: M Arminius Maior Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: Gubernator of Am. Austrorientalis
Salve o Consul


Looking to the last Senatus Consulta, i didnt saw a
replacement or prorrogation of a Propraetor for the
Provincia America Austrorientalis.
Is this correct? Is that province currently without a
Gubernator?


Vale
M.Arminius





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34524 From: M Arminius Maior Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: Re: Gubernator of Am. Austrorientalis
Salvete

My apologies, this was intended to be a private
message.

Valete
M.Arminius

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> Salve o Consul
> Looking to the last Senatus Consulta,[..]
> Vale
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34525 From: Triarius Date: 2005-04-01
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALESIA - racing chariots
Salvete,

Any other Factio Veneta Chariots out there! ALL HAIL THE BLUE!!!

Valete,
Triarius


A) Name: Lucius Vitellius Triarius
B) Chariot: Velox Puteulanus Sors
C) Driver: Felix Celeris
D) Quarters and Semi Strategy: WIN
E) Finals Strategy: WIN
F) Factio: Veneta
G/H/I): The Domus of Triarius would never violate the honorable
standards of the Ludi...unless, of course, it was determined that
evil and corruption was at hand...

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Rob Sullivan <rysullivan@y...>
wrote:
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> Salvete,
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> A) Name: Titus Licinius Crassus
> B) Chariot: Orionis Draco
> C) Driver: Equus Magnus
> D) Quarters and Semi Strategy: (6) To hurry in the straight lines
> E) Finals Strategy: (2) To pass the curves closely the "spina" of
the circus
> F) Factio: Veneta
> G),H) & I) No dirty tricks or defences. Saving up for later ludis
>
> Valete,
> Crassus
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34526 From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Oath of office - Gallia
Ego, Sextus Apollonius Scipio, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro
populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Sextus Apollonius Scipio, officio propraetoris Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque
Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica
privataque vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.

Ego, Sextus Apollonius Scipio, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et
numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Sextus Apollonius Scipio, officiis muneris propraetoris me quam optime functurum
esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque
eorum, ego munus propraetoris una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis
comitantibus ACCIPIO.

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I, Sextus Apollonius Scipio (Jean Noel Tribolo) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the
honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate
of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Sextus Apollonius Scipio, swear to honor the Gods and
Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and
private life.

I, Sextus Apollonius Scipio, swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State
Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as
the State Religion.

I, Sextus Apollonius Scipio, swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Sextus Apollonius Scipio, further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of Propraetor Galliae to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of
the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of Propraetor
Galliae and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant
thereto.

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Moi, Sextus Apollonius Scipio, jure solennellement de soutenir l'honneur de Nova Roma et
d'agir toujours au mieux des int�r�ts du peuple et du S�nat de Nova Roma.

En tant que magistrat de Nova Roma, moi, Sextus Apollonius Scipio jure d'honorer les
Dieux et D�esses de Rome dans mes relations publiques et d'adopter les Vertus Romaines
dans ma vie priv�e aussi bien que publique.

Moi, Sextus Apollonius Scipio jure de soutenir et d�fendre la Religion Romaine en tant
que Religion d'Etat de Nova Roma et jure de ne jamais agir d'une fa�on qui menacerait son
statut de Religion d'Etat.

Moi, Sextus Apollonius Scipio jure de soutenir et d�fendre la Constitution de Nova Roma.

Moi, Sextus Apollonius Scipio jure en outre de remplir les obligations et les
responsabilit�s de la fonction de Gouverneur de la Province de Gallia du mieux dont je
suis capable.

Sur mon honneur de Citoyen de Nova Roma, et en pr�sence des Dieux et D�esses du peuple
Romain, et par leur volont� et bienveillance, j'accepte le poste de Gouverneur de la
Province de Gallia et tous les droits, privil�ges, obligations et responsabilit�s qui s'y
attachent.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34527 From: FAC Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: Nova Roma - Provincia Dacia
Salve Illustrus Sabinus,
I send to Dacia and you all my best wishes for a soon and rich
growth. The dedication to our Goddess Magna Mater is an excellent
thing and thank you very much for your fine words.

As Senior Consul and member of the Provincia Italia administration,
you'll receive all my support and help.

Good Luck!

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Consul


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, iulius sabinus
<iulius_sabinus@y...> wrote:
> AVE CIVES NOVAROMANI !
>
> The creation of Provincia Dacia is dedicated to Magna Mater. Now,
with her goodwill, everything is possible !
>
> I want to thanks to all Senators for the positive vote. Is time
for Provincia Dacia to take her place in NR world.
> I want to thanks to Gnaeus Iulius Caesar and Marcia Martiana
Marcella, my first friends in NR. Always they have a good advice for
me.
> I want to thanks to all Provincia Italia, particularly to
Serapio, Apulus Caesar, Iulius Perusianus and Iulius Sulla. My
friends, all my respect.
>
> And, of course, I want to thanks to all citizens from NR. What a
wonderful community !
>
> OPTIME VALE,
> IVL SABINVS
> DACIA PROVINCE
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34529 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALESIA - racing chariots
Salvete Quirites,

Entries for the Ludi Circensis must be sent via private e-mail to the
person designated in the Aedilician edict. Posting the entries here in
the main list will not get your chariot into the race.

Valete,

-- Marinus

Triarius wrote:
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> Salvete,
>
> Any other Factio Veneta Chariots out there! ALL HAIL THE BLUE!!!
>
> Valete,
> Triarius
>
>
> A) Name: Lucius Vitellius Triarius
> B) Chariot: Velox Puteulanus Sors
> C) Driver: Felix Celeris
> D) Quarters and Semi Strategy: WIN
> E) Finals Strategy: WIN
> F) Factio: Veneta
> G/H/I): The Domus of Triarius would never violate the honorable
> standards of the Ludi...unless, of course, it was determined that
> evil and corruption was at hand...
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Rob Sullivan <rysullivan@y...>
> wrote:
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>>Salvete,
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>>A) Name: Titus Licinius Crassus
>>B) Chariot: Orionis Draco
>>C) Driver: Equus Magnus
>>D) Quarters and Semi Strategy: (6) To hurry in the straight lines
>>E) Finals Strategy: (2) To pass the curves closely the "spina" of
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> the circus
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>>F) Factio: Veneta
>>G),H) & I) No dirty tricks or defences. Saving up for later ludis
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>>Crassus
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34530 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: About the oaths of office
Gn. Equitius Marinus Censoris Quirites salutem plurimam dicit:

New magistrates taking the oath of office, and wishing to include the
Latin form, should use the Latin version of the oath found at
http://novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/1999-10-19-ii.html.la
and no other (earlier) translations.

Valete Quirites,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34531 From: Caius Curius Saturninus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: oath of office
Salvete omnes,

Ego, Caius Curius Saturninus, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me
defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse
sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Caius Curius Saturninus, officio propraetoris Novae Romae accepto,
deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum,
et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.

Ego, Caius Curius Saturninus, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam
defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne
quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Caius Curius Saturninus officiis muneris propraetoris me quam
optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus propraetoris una cum iuribus,
privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.


English version:

I, Caius Curius Saturninus (Mikko Sillanpää) do hereby solemnly swear
to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Caius Curius Saturninus (Mikko
Sillanpää) swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public
dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private
life.

I, Caius Curius Saturninus (Mikko Sillanpää) swear to uphold and defend
the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never
to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Caius Curius Saturninus (Mikko Sillanpää) swear to protect and
defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Caius Curius Saturninus (Mikko Sillanpää) further swear to fulfill
the obligations and responsibilities of the office of propraetor to the
best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods
and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I
accept the position of propraetor and all the rights, privileges,
obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.


Valete,

Caius Curius Saturninus

Tribunus Plebis
Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34532 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: Nova Roma - Provincia Dacia
A. Apollonius Cordus M. Hortensiae Majori amicae
omnibusque sal.

> Euge! What a great day, to have an entire
> province join us.

And - better still - just in time to bid to host the
European Conventus in 2007! (Hint hint.)

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34533 From: Caius Curius Saturninus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Edictum propraetoricum 2758-III
EX OFFICIO PROPRAETORIS THULES

Edictum propraetoricum 2758-III about tax collecting in Provincia Thule

It is again time to pay taxes (membership fees) in Nova Roma. Those who
have paid taxes will be counted as assidui and their votes will be
"worth" more than those who don't pay taxes. Only the assidui are be
able to hold central offices. Provincial positions will still be open
to all.

It has shown to be a quite complicated task to send taxes to the USA,
where the central treasury is. In accordance with the tradition in
Provincia Thules I have decided to give the citizens of Nova Roma
living in Provincia Thule the possibility that is decsribed in this
edictum.

Please observe that the following tax amount is the prevailing one: 8
Euro per person.

Please observe the following:

* that according to the law half of the taxes will be kept (or
retrieved back to Thule from USA for a separate cost) in the Provincial
Treasury for use in the Provincia.

* that all taxes (Annual Membership Fee) shall be in the central
Treasury by April 30th! This means that they must be in the hands of
the Legati at least by April 20th.

*any citizen that pay their taxes later than the 30th of April will
have to pay a inceased amount of +50% according to the law (persons who
have become citizens this year are excempted).

1. Every citizen that would like to pay their taxes should contact
their Legatus and send their taxes to the Legatus, as the cost of
sending the taxes directly to the Central Treasury is very high for
those without PayPal account, and by using the Legatus to collect the
money, each Regio (country) will pay just one transfer fee.

2. The Legati will have to send the collected taxes of the Regio to the
Propraetor at the latest at the 23rd of April. Each Legatus shall also
send a notification at the same time to the Propraetor with the (Roman
and real) name and e-mail address (or snail mail address) of each
citizen for which he has paid taxes.

3. The Proconsul shall after that send these collected taxes by PayPal
to the central Treasury.

4. All account numbers of the Legati that are needed will be sent
privately, as soon as possible, to each citizen that require such by
the Legatus of the Regio in question.

5. Each citizen, who follows the recommendations in this edict, will
get a confirmation that her/his taxes are paid from the central
treasury and from the Propraetor.

6. Citizens may also handle the payment of their taxes for themselves
(even though that is more expensive). In such cases the Central
Treasury is asked to pay back 50% to the Provincial Aerarium after 30th
of April. In the Regions without appointed Legatus, the only option is
to pay directly to Central Treasury.

7. This edictum becomes effective immediately.

GIVEN 2ND OF APRIL 2758 AUC, IN THE YEAR OF THE CONSULSHIP OF
FRANCISCUS APULUS CAESAR AND GAIUS POPILLIUS LAENAS, IN HELSINKI.

Caius Curius Saturninus

Tribunus Plebis
Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34534 From: Caius Curius Saturninus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Edictum propraetoricum 2758-II
EX OFFICIO PROPRAETORIS THULES

Edictum propraetoricum 2758-II about new praetorium

1. I hereby declare that new praetorium of Provincia Thule is the city
of Helsinki, Finland.

2. This edictum becomes effective immediately.

GIVEN 2ND OF APRIL 2758 AUC, IN THE YEAR OF THE CONSULSHIP OF
FRANCISCUS APULUS CAESAR AND GAIUS POPILLIUS LAENAS, IN HELSINKI.

Caius Curius Saturninus

Tribunus Plebis
Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34535 From: Caius Curius Saturninus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Edictum propraetoricum 2758-I
EX OFFICIO PROPRAETORIS THULES

Edictum propraetoricum 2758-I about confirming the old edicts

1. I hereby confirm that the following edicts of my predecessor Caeso
Fabius Quintilianus are still valid:

a) Edict XXX about the Approved Regula of LEGIO VII “Res Publica” of
Provincia Thule in Nova Roma
b) Edict XXX B about the Approved relationship of Provincia Thule with
the Independent LEGIO VII “Res Publica”
c) Edict XXXII about the Approved request of membership in the Limes
Project for Provincia Thule
d) Edict LXIX about "Pactum de Convento Novae Romae in Europe".

2. All other edicts of my predecessors are invalid.

3. This edictum becomes effective immediately.

GIVEN 2ND OF APRIL 2758 AUC, IN THE YEAR OF THE CONSULSHIP OF
FRANCISCUS APULUS CAESAR AND GAIUS POPILLIUS LAENAS, IN HELSINKI.

Caius Curius Saturninus

Tribunus Plebis
Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org
gsm: +358-50-3315279
fax: +358-9-8754751
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34536 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: Nova Roma - Provincia Dacia
SALVE APOLLONIUS CORDUS !

Why not ? It's a great honour for us. And Dacia has a lot of wonderful places. Think about at Ulpia Traiana, Alburnus Maior, Castrum Porolissum, Trophaeum Trajani and why not, the Dracula's Castle and fortress, or maybe Sighisoara ( Sachsburg ) the last living fortress.
2006 ( 11 august ) is a very important year from us. We celebrate 1900 years from the Dacia conquest, how the Military Diploma from Porolissum describe that.

OPTIME VALE,
IVL SABINVS

"A. Apollonius Cordus" <a_apollonius_cordus@...> wrote:
A. Apollonius Cordus M. Hortensiae Majori amicae
omnibusque sal.

> Euge! What a great day, to have an entire
> province join us.

And - better still - just in time to bid to host the
European Conventus in 2007! (Hint hint.)

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34537 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Provincia Dacia
AVE IULI SABINE!

My congratulations for the creation of Provincia Dacia, where you
and many other Cives put all of your engagement. You deserve it.
I appreciate *a lot* the dedication of the creation of Provincia
Dacia to our Magna Mater, that will be honoured with the incoming
Ludi Megalenses, and with your piae words.
I will defend MM's cult for all this year, and all my official
activities will be done in honouring her name.

Now, I dedicate next Ludi Megalenses, that will start in a couple of
days, to Dacia, as a wish for a rapid and strong growth of this
Provincia.

BENE VALETE
L IUL SULLA
SENIOR AEDILIS CURULIS
ITALIA




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, iulius sabinus
<iulius_sabinus@y...> wrote:
> SALVE APOLLONIUS CORDUS !
>
> Why not ? It's a great honour for us. And Dacia has a lot of
wonderful places. Think about at Ulpia Traiana, Alburnus Maior,
Castrum Porolissum, Trophaeum Trajani and why not, the Dracula's
Castle and fortress, or maybe Sighisoara ( Sachsburg ) the last
living fortress.
> 2006 ( 11 august ) is a very important year from us. We celebrate
1900 years from the Dacia conquest, how the Military Diploma from
Porolissum describe that.
>
> OPTIME VALE,
> IVL SABINVS
>
> "A. Apollonius Cordus" <a_apollonius_cordus@y...> wrote:
> A. Apollonius Cordus M. Hortensiae Majori amicae
> omnibusque sal.
>
> > Euge! What a great day, to have an entire
> > province join us.
>
> And - better still - just in time to bid to host the
> European Conventus in 2007! (Hint hint.)
>
> Send instant messages to your online friends
http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Better first dates. More second dates. Yahoo! Personals
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34538 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: New Venus Gallery in photos section
Salvete Quirites,

In honor of Venus, whose month April is, I've created a small photo
gallery of some classical images of her in the photos section of the
Yahoo website.

To view the gallery, go to
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/lst
and click on "Venus Gallery." If you have images of Venus you'd like
to add to the gallery, please let send them to me via e-mail.

Valete,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34539 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: Provincia Dacia
SALVE ILLUSTRE AEDILE !

This is a great honour for all of us. I can't say more about your dedication in this moment, it's something ...I don't have enough words.
We will tray to do the best.
Again, this is a great honour !
Thank you.

OPTIME VALE,
IVL SABINVS

Lucius Iulius <21aprile@...> wrote:

AVE IULI SABINE!

My congratulations for the creation of Provincia Dacia, where you
and many other Cives put all of your engagement. You deserve it.
I appreciate *a lot* the dedication of the creation of Provincia
Dacia to our Magna Mater, that will be honoured with the incoming
Ludi Megalenses, and with your piae words.
I will defend MM's cult for all this year, and all my official
activities will be done in honouring her name.

Now, I dedicate next Ludi Megalenses, that will start in a couple of
days, to Dacia, as a wish for a rapid and strong growth of this
Provincia.

BENE VALETE
L IUL SULLA
SENIOR AEDILIS CURULIS
ITALIA




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, iulius sabinus
<iulius_sabinus@y...> wrote:
> SALVE APOLLONIUS CORDUS !
>
> Why not ? It's a great honour for us. And Dacia has a lot of
wonderful places. Think about at Ulpia Traiana, Alburnus Maior,
Castrum Porolissum, Trophaeum Trajani and why not, the Dracula's
Castle and fortress, or maybe Sighisoara ( Sachsburg ) the last
living fortress.
> 2006 ( 11 august ) is a very important year from us. We celebrate
1900 years from the Dacia conquest, how the Military Diploma from
Porolissum describe that.
>
> OPTIME VALE,
> IVL SABINVS
>
> "A. Apollonius Cordus" <a_apollonius_cordus@y...> wrote:
> A. Apollonius Cordus M. Hortensiae Majori amicae
> omnibusque sal.
>
> > Euge! What a great day, to have an entire
> > province join us.
>
> And - better still - just in time to bid to host the
> European Conventus in 2007! (Hint hint.)
>
> Send instant messages to your online friends
http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Better first dates. More second dates. Yahoo! Personals
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34540 From: Cytheris Iulia Aege Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Ave,aedilus Iulius Lucius Sulla!
I would like to thank you in the name of
Provincia Dacia!Your gesture,a most noble one,has brought to us a
great honour.We assure you of our gratitude and our respect.
Due to you ,Provincia Dacia began a new journey
through time,under the sign of honestas and dignitas,and,thus,once
again we may indee call it Dacia Felix.
May the gods and their blessings be with you.


bene vale,
Cytheris Iulia Aege.








--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Iulius" <21aprile@e...>
wrote:
>
> AVE IULI SABINE!
>
> My congratulations for the creation of Provincia Dacia, where you
> and many other Cives put all of your engagement. You deserve it.
> I appreciate *a lot* the dedication of the creation of Provincia
> Dacia to our Magna Mater, that will be honoured with the incoming
> Ludi Megalenses, and with your piae words.
> I will defend MM's cult for all this year, and all my official
> activities will be done in honouring her name.
>
> Now, I dedicate next Ludi Megalenses, that will start in a couple
of
> days, to Dacia, as a wish for a rapid and strong growth of this
> Provincia.
>
> BENE VALETE
> L IUL SULLA
> SENIOR AEDILIS CURULIS
> ITALIA
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, iulius sabinus
> <iulius_sabinus@y...> wrote:
> > SALVE APOLLONIUS CORDUS !
> >
> > Why not ? It's a great honour for us. And Dacia has a lot of
> wonderful places. Think about at Ulpia Traiana, Alburnus Maior,
> Castrum Porolissum, Trophaeum Trajani and why not, the Dracula's
> Castle and fortress, or maybe Sighisoara ( Sachsburg ) the last
> living fortress.
> > 2006 ( 11 august ) is a very important year from us. We celebrate
> 1900 years from the Dacia conquest, how the Military Diploma from
> Porolissum describe that.
> >
> > OPTIME VALE,
> > IVL SABINVS
> >
> > "A. Apollonius Cordus" <a_apollonius_cordus@y...> wrote:
> > A. Apollonius Cordus M. Hortensiae Majori amicae
> > omnibusque sal.
> >
> > > Euge! What a great day, to have an entire
> > > province join us.
> >
> > And - better still - just in time to bid to host the
> > European Conventus in 2007! (Hint hint.)
> >
> > Send instant messages to your online friends
> http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Better first dates. More second dates. Yahoo! Personals
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34541 From: Quintus Iulius Probus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: Ave,aedilus Iulius Lucius Sulla!
Salve Iuli Sullae

I would like to thank you from all my soul for doing us such a great
honor of dedicating the Ludi Megalenses to Provincia Dacia.
May all the gods bless you and fill you with happiness as you filled
our hearts with honor.

Optime Vale


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Cytheris Iulia Aege"
<cytheris_aege@y...> wrote:
>
>
>
> I would like to thank you in the name of
> Provincia Dacia!Your gesture,a most noble one,has brought to us a
> great honour.We assure you of our gratitude and our respect.
> Due to you ,Provincia Dacia began a new journey
> through time,under the sign of honestas and dignitas,and,thus,once
> again we may indee call it Dacia Felix.
> May the gods and their blessings be with you.
>
>
> bene vale,
> Cytheris Iulia Aege.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Lucius Iulius" <21aprile@e...>
> wrote:
> >
> > AVE IULI SABINE!
> >
> > My congratulations for the creation of Provincia Dacia, where
you
> > and many other Cives put all of your engagement. You deserve it.
> > I appreciate *a lot* the dedication of the creation of Provincia
> > Dacia to our Magna Mater, that will be honoured with the
incoming
> > Ludi Megalenses, and with your piae words.
> > I will defend MM's cult for all this year, and all my official
> > activities will be done in honouring her name.
> >
> > Now, I dedicate next Ludi Megalenses, that will start in a
couple
> of
> > days, to Dacia, as a wish for a rapid and strong growth of this
> > Provincia.
> >
> > BENE VALETE
> > L IUL SULLA
> > SENIOR AEDILIS CURULIS
> > ITALIA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, iulius sabinus
> > <iulius_sabinus@y...> wrote:
> > > SALVE APOLLONIUS CORDUS !
> > >
> > > Why not ? It's a great honour for us. And Dacia has a lot of
> > wonderful places. Think about at Ulpia Traiana, Alburnus Maior,
> > Castrum Porolissum, Trophaeum Trajani and why not, the Dracula's
> > Castle and fortress, or maybe Sighisoara ( Sachsburg ) the last
> > living fortress.
> > > 2006 ( 11 august ) is a very important year from us. We
celebrate
> > 1900 years from the Dacia conquest, how the Military Diploma
from
> > Porolissum describe that.
> > >
> > > OPTIME VALE,
> > > IVL SABINVS
> > >
> > > "A. Apollonius Cordus" <a_apollonius_cordus@y...> wrote:
> > > A. Apollonius Cordus M. Hortensiae Majori amicae
> > > omnibusque sal.
> > >
> > > > Euge! What a great day, to have an entire
> > > > province join us.
> > >
> > > And - better still - just in time to bid to host the
> > > European Conventus in 2007! (Hint hint.)
> > >
> > > Send instant messages to your online friends
> > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > > To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/
> > >
> > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> > Service.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Do you Yahoo!?
> > > Better first dates. More second dates. Yahoo! Personals
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34542 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Punishment in the Roman Army
Good Day All

Here is a link to a small site about punishment in the Roman Army....

http://www.milism.net/romanarmy.htm

Enjoy

Quintus Sertorius

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34543 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Roman Map Site
Good Day All

Here is a site with some maps of Old Roma...

http://www.milism.net/romanarmy.htm

Enjoy

QS

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34544 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: The Ancient Roman Army Illustrated
Salve All

Another link to the Red Rampart... Some good stuff here...

http://www.redrampant.com/

Vale

Quintus Sertorius


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34545 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: A Stantard for Roman Wesites
Salve

This Site is well known but some out there may not have come across it before... This is for you...

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/home.html

Vale

Quintus Sertorius

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34546 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: Nova Roma - Provincia Dacia
Salve Amice!

It was a great honor to support the creation of Provincia Dacia in
the Senate and I congratulate You to its birth. Further I am very
pleased as the founder of the Magna Mater project to see that You
have dedicated the creation of Provincia Dacia to Magna Mater. Thank
You! Let us continue to support this projects and others like it.

>AVE CIVES NOVAROMANI !
>
>The creation of Provincia Dacia is dedicated to Magna Mater. Now,
>with her goodwill, everything is possible !
>
> I want to thanks to all Senators for the positive vote. Is time
>for Provincia Dacia to take her place in NR world.
> I want to thanks to Gnaeus Iulius Caesar and Marcia Martiana
>Marcella, my first friends in NR. Always they have a good advice for
>me.
> I want to thanks to all Provincia Italia, particularly to Serapio,
>Apulus Caesar, Iulius Perusianus and Iulius Sulla. My friends, all
>my respect.
>
>And, of course, I want to thanks to all citizens from NR. What a
>wonderful community !
>
>OPTIME VALE,
>IVL SABINVS
>DACIA PROVINCE

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus

Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Cohors Censoris CFQ
http://www.hanenberg-media-webdesign.com/cohors/index_uk.htm
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34547 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Images of Rome
Good Day Once More

Here is a link with alot of images of Rome...

http://www2.siba.fi/~kkoskim//rooma/pages/MAIN.HTM

Salve

QS

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34548 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Historical Maps Site
Salve

Ancient Historical Maps Site..

http://www.culturalresources.com/Maps.html#rome

Vale

QS

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34549 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: Images of Rome
Salve Quinte Sertori,

If you'd like, I can place these links into the Links section of the website.
Just send me a list of what you'd like to have there, and a short description
of each website.

Vale,

-- Marinus

Nathan Guiboche <nate@...> writes:

>
> Good Day Once More
>
> Here is a link with alot of images of Rome...
>
> http://www2.siba.fi/~kkoskim//rooma/pages/MAIN.HTM
>
> Salve
>
> QS
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34550 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Collaring of Roman Livestock (Source images)
Salve

Since I have spent so much time with livestock I have always been interested in the Harnessing of those animals in old Rome... Here is a link that may appeal to the .00001% of you out there that are also interested...

http://www.humanist.de/rome/harnessing/collar-romeshoulder.html

Vale

Quintus Sertorius

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34551 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: Images of Rome
Salve Sir

This sounds like a great idea!!!... Except I must now get off my podex and
write something!!!!... I shall endeavor to perceiver...

Quintus Sertorius


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gnaeus Equitius Marinus" <gawne@...>
To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Images of Rome


>
> Salve Quinte Sertori,
>
> If you'd like, I can place these links into the Links section of the
> website.
> Just send me a list of what you'd like to have there, and a short
> description
> of each website.
>
> Vale,
>
> -- Marinus
>
> Nathan Guiboche <nate@...> writes:
>
>>
>> Good Day Once More
>>
>> Here is a link with alot of images of Rome...
>>
>> http://www2.siba.fi/~kkoskim//rooma/pages/MAIN.HTM
>>
>> Salve
>>
>> QS
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34552 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: An Archaeological Note on Crucifixion
Salve All

Since Easter was not long ago passed us, and there was much discussion on the subject... Here is a link on the matter of Crucifixion...

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/jesus/crucifixion.html

Vale

QS

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34553 From: Caeso Fabius Quintilianus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: Nova Roma - Provincia Dacia
Salvete Quirites!

I might be of interest the quirites that Lex Arminia de Ministris
Provincialibus
http://www.novaroma.org/tabularium/leges/2004-06-02-iii.html states
that all appointee by a Governor cease to be counted as appointees of
the successor when the new Governor takes power.

This means that my successor Caius Curius Saturninus, Tribunus Plebis
et Propraetor will be able to start with a clean slate and appoint
his own Propraetorial Cohors with total freedom.

I wish my successor Caius Curius Saturninus all luck as Propraetor of
Provincia Thule amd good luck in the appointment of new Legati et
Scribae.
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus

Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Cohors Censoris CFQ
http://www.hanenberg-media-webdesign.com/cohors/index_uk.htm
************************************************
Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
************************************************
Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34554 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Roman Transportation
Salve All

Here is a small site on Roman Transportation... Another interest of mine...

http://www.crystalinks.com/rometransportation.html

Vale

QS

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34555 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Site for NR Children
Salve All

Pass this to your NR kids.

Here is a good site for those Nova Roman Children out there!. Good stuff to foster their young roman interest...

http://members.aol.com/Donnclass/Romelife.html

Quintus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34556 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: School Projects on Roma
Salve All

This is What the Schools can come up with..



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34557 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
OSD G. Equiutius Cato

Salvete omnes.

Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis.
Te decet hymnus, Deus, in Sion, et tibi reddetur votum in Ierusalem
Exaudi orationem meam ad te omnis caro veniet.

Requiem aeternam dona defunctis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis.
Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine, et lux perpetua eis.

Hostias et preces tibi, Domine laudis offerimus tu suscipe pro
animabus illis, quarum hodie memoriam facimus. Fac eas, Domine, de
morte transire ad vitam, quam olim Abrahae promisisti et semine eius.

Libera me, Domine, de morte aeterna in die illa tremenda quando coeli
movendi sunt et terra, dum veneris judicare saeculum per ignem.

Tremens factus sum ego et timeo, dum discussion venerit atque venture
ira: quando coeli movendi sunt et terra.

Valete bene in pace deorum.

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34558 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: School Projects on Roma
Sorry All
Here is the whole message I wanted to send;

This is what the Schools can come up with..

http://www.internet-at-work.com/hos_mcgrane/rome/eg_rome_intro.html

Vale

QS

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nathan Guiboche" <nate@...>
To: <NOVAROMACANADAOCCIDENTALIS@yahoogroups.com>;
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34559 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Good General Site on Roma
Salve All

A good general site on Roma.. Lot's of info..

http://www.crystalinks.com/rome.html

Enjoy..

Quintus Sertorius

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34560 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Salvete Quirites,

gaiusequitiuscato <mlcinnyc@...> writes:

> Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis.
[...]

I offer my sympathy to all Christian Nova Romans, and all who are feeling the
loss of an extraordinary world leader.

Also, I particularly ask all citizens to honor the grief of those who have
lost someone very dear to them. This is no time for diatribes.

Valete,

Gn. Equitius Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34561 From: Nathan Guiboche Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
The world has lost a great man...

QS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34562 From: Lucia Cassia Silvana Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
It has been a long time since I left the fold. But I am much moved
by the Holy Father's passing. I admired him for his strength of
convication, his dedication, and his compassion though I did not
agree with many things. I think this is a testament to the
greatness of the man, to his general virtues, that my heart feels
great sadness at this time.

Levavi oculos meos in montes unde veniet auxilium mihi.
Auxilium meum a Domino qui fecit caelum et terram.
Non det in commotionem pedem tuum neque dormitet qui custodit te.
Ecce non dormitabit neque dormiet qui custodit Israhel.
Dominus custodit te Dominus protectio tua super manum dexteram tuam.
Per diem sol non uret te neque luna per noctem.
Dominus custodit te ab omni malo custodiat animam tuam Dominus.
Dominus custodiat introitum tuum et exitum tuum ex hoc nunc et usque
in saeculum.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@c...> wrote:

> I offer my sympathy to all Christian Nova Romans, and all who are
>feeling the loss of an extraordinary world leader.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34563 From: Aulus Sempronius Regulus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Day Light Savings: Modern and Roman Style
Salvete!
Don't forget, you modern types, to move your clocks
one hour ahead tonight. FYI: the ancient Romans did
things a bit different. They had year round 12 hours
daylight and 12 hours night. They just adjusted the
length of those hours. Longer days - the 12 hours were
longer; shorter nights - the 12 hours were shorter.
Shorter days - the 12 hours were shorter; longer
nights - the 12 hours were longer.

Valete bene!

Aulus Sempronius Regulus

Libertas inaestimabilis res est. - Corpus Iuris Civilis
Aequam memento rebus in arduis servare mentem. - Horace

MMDCCLVIII Anno urbis conditae (AUC)



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34564 From: Aulus Sempronius Regulus Date: 2005-04-02
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Death of a great one (pagan or Christian or
politician, not to completely condemn
politicians) calls us to meditate upon
death and life's purpose - >our< purpose
and have we pursued it honorably. So,
something neither pagan nor Christian
should object to -

Veni, O Sapientia, quae hic diaponis omnia,
Veni, vivam prudentiae ut doceas et gloriae.

Veni, veni O Oriens, solari nos adveniens,
Noctis depelle nebulas, dirasque mortis tenebras.


Aulus Sempronius Regulus

Libertas inaestimabilis res est. - Corpus Iuris Civilis
Aequam memento rebus in arduis servare mentem. - Horace

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34566 From: Stephen Vogelsang Date: 2005-04-03
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Hello Nova Roma:

Not yet a citizen, I feel compelled to express my sadness in the passing,
and great respect for the memory of John Paul II. For two thousand years,
in good times and harsh, hailed and oft assailed, the Church has kept alive
many much of the cultural heritage of Rome. His Holiness led us down a path
of tolerance and acceptance of people of other faiths and creeds when most
needed, the first Pope to visit Israel and the Patriarch in Greece in
centuries. As was said of Lincoln, we may say of John Paul, "he now belongs
to the ages". He epitomized the teachings or Christ and pointed us down a
road, "quo pax et gloria (true glory) ducunt"! The road where peace and
real glory lead. Tolerance and compassion.

Stephen Vogelsang


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34567 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2005-04-03
Subject: Ludi Megalenses
AVETE CIVES ROMANI

Your attention, please!

http://www.cohorssullana.grafosystem.ro/

Megalesia are closer and closer!
The Ludi in honour of our Magna Mater are going to start, and we
want to celebrate them in the best way. Tomorrow they will start
with the religious caerimonia.

I'm going to briefly explain the expected activities:

-Ludi Scaenici: it will be proposed in our theatre the palliated
comedy "Andria" by Publius Terentius Afer, as translated by Henry
Thomas Riley. This was the first play of the african playwright, and
his first great success in Rome (166 BC).

"Sine Cerere et Baccho friget Venus"

-Certamen Historicum: not a news: every day a hard historical
question, a classification and the best, well-known historian among
us will be proclamed the last day of Ludi Megalenses.
Send your answers only at: cn_corn_lent@...

-Venationes: an animal, a gladiator and a tactic. To survive.
To subscribe just send a mail to: iulius_sabinus@...

-Munera Gladiatoria: as above, but the blood will be just the
gladiators' one.
iulius_sabinus@...

-Ludi Circenses: many drivers facing eachother, assassinations,
sabotage and glory for the faster, and the best Factio!
To subscribe:
qsalixcant@...

-Cultural award: a literary contest about the battle of Trasimenus'
Lake, where Hannibal defeated for the third time the Roman Army.
Send your woks at:
iulius_sabinus@...

-Rhetorical Poetry Contest: a news. Here you can discuss
your "favourite Civis" that has or has had any office in Nova Roma,
elected or appointed. His behaviour, his style,Â…everything! Very,
very intriguing! Not open to political struggle!
Send your work at Pompeia:
trog99@...

To see, to ask, to play, just visit our website:

http://www.cohorssullana.grafosystem.ro/

During the Ludi, to the participants Cecubo and Falerno wine will be
distributed, for your joy!

OPTIME GAUDITE!
L IUL SULLA
Aedilis Curilis
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34568 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2005-04-03
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
CN CORNELIUS LENTULUS QUIRITIBUS SALUTEM PLURIMAM DICIT:

Salvete, Novi Romani!

This is my first message on this mailinglist that I'd like to dedicate in memoriam Iohannis Pauli Secundi, Sancti Patris et Pontificis Maximi Romanae Religionis Christianae:



REQUIEM aeternam dona eis, Domine,
et lux perpetua luceat eis.
Te decet hymnus, Deus in Sion,
et tibi reddetur votum in Jerusalem;
exaudi orationem meam, ad te omnis caro veniet.
Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine,
et lux perpetua luceat eis.

Kyrie eleison,
Christe eleison,
Kyrie eleison.
Oremus!
Deus qui Christianos hoc beatissimo papa Iohanne Paulo II laetificare dignatus es:
concede quaesumus,
ut per eum apud te PRO POPULO ROMANO rogantem
RES PUBLICA SPQR denuo in vita vera renascat refloreat convalescat,
utique mundus noster in pace tua semi-deorumque iugiter conservetur;
per Dominum nostrum Iesum Christum filium tuum
qui tecum vivit et regnat in omnia saecula saeculorum, amen!

Alleluia! Confitemini Domino quoniam bonus quoniam in saeculum misericordia eius!
Dicat nunc Israel quoniam bonus quoniam in saeculum misericordia eius!
Dicat nunc domus Aaron quoniam in saeculum misericordia eius!
Dicant nunc qui timent Dominum quoniam in saeculum misericordia eius!
De tribulatione invocavi Dominum et exaudivit me in latitudinem Dominus...
Inpulsus eversus sum ut caderem et Dominus suscepit me.
Fortitudo mea et laudatio mea Dominus et factus est mihi in salutem...
Castigans castigavit me Dominus et morti non tradidit me...
Confitebor tibi quoniam exaudisti me et factus es mihi in salutem.
Lapidem quem reprobaverunt aedificantes hic factus est in caput anguli.
A Domino factum est istud hoc est mirabile in oculis nostris.
Haec est dies quam fecit Dominus exultemus et laetemur in ea...
Deus meus es tu et confitebor tibi Deus meus es tu;
et exaltabo te confitebor tibi quoniam exaudisti me et factus es mihi in salutem.
Confitemini Domino quoniam bonus quoniam in saeculum misericordia eius! Alleluia!

Lux aeterna luceat eis, Domine,
cum sanctis tuis in aeternum, quia pius es.
Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine,
et lux perpetua luceat eis, amen!

Omnes Di Immortales!
Vos quaeso precorque,
uti sitis volentes propitii
Iohanni Paulo Secundo, Pontifici Maximo Christianae Religionis Romanae,
eumque in ordinem Vestrum allegatis!
Cuius rei ergo macte his in situ NR manifestis verbis laudantibus estote fitote!









VALETE QVAM OPTIME!
Happy Megalesia-Days!

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
Scriba Ludorum - Aed. L. Iulii Sullae
Undecimvir ad Diploma Sodalitatis Latinitatis Retractandum
Propraetor Pannoniae


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34569 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2005-04-03
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Certamen Historicum
CN CORNELIVS LENTVLVS QVIRITIBVS SALVTEM DICIT:
Avete, Quirites, in the name of Aedilis L. Iulius!

Tomorrow will start the Megalesia organized by Aedilis Curulis L. Iulius Sulla and his Cohors. I have been chosen by Aedilis L. Iulius Sulla to lead the CERTAMEN HISTORICUM, the historical contest of Ludi Megalenses in honour of our Magna Mater.

Here are the rules of Certamen Historicum:
http://www.cohorssullana.grafosystem.ro/rules.htm

And here follows the 1st question for Certamen Historicum:

QUAESTIO N°1 - The full name of Magna Mater was ’Mater Deum Magna Idaea’ but often called also just ’Mater Idaea’. What is the source of Her epithet ’Idaea’?


All the answers have to be posted at the following email:
cnaeus_cornelius@...

The winners (first, second and third best) will be visualized with their official NR-portrait, and with their names and places they have win in the Certamen Historicum, in to the Aedilis CurulisÂ’ website so that everybody can see who are the most studious history-lovers in Nova Roma: LetÂ’s go historians! WhoÂ’s the best of Roman History-lovers?












VALETE QVAM OPTIME!
Happy Megalesia-Days!

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
Scriba Ludorum - Aed. L. Iulii Sullae
Undecimvir ad Diploma Sodalitatis Latinitatis Retractandum
Propraetor Pannoniae

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34570 From: Cnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2005-04-03
Subject: Re: Nova Roma - Provincia Dacia
Salve, Tite Sabine!

I gladly congratulate You and all the Dacians for creating your
provincia! It will enrich our community! Gods bless Dacia!

Cn. Lentulus
civis Pannoniae
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34571 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2005-04-03
Subject: Oath of Office - Propraetor Pannoniae
OATH OF OFFICE OF PROPRAETOR PANNONIAE

Avete, Qurites Popule Nove Romane!

Ego, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, officio _Propraetoris_ Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.
Ego, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus, officiis muneris _Propraetoris_ me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus _Propraetoris_ una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO

-ENGLISH VERSION:

I, _Attila Gonda_ enter legal and Roman name here _Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus_ do hereby solemnly swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, _Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus_ swear to honor the Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, _Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus_ swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, _Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus_ swear to protect and defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, _Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus_ further swear to fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of _Propraetor_ to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the position of _Propraetor_ and all the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

Valete, Quirites Popule Nove Romane!






VALETE QVAM OPTIME!
Happy Megalesia-Days!

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
Scriba Ludorum - Aed. L. Iulii Sullae
Undecimvir ad Diploma Sodalitatis Latinitatis Retractandum
Propraetor Pannoniae

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34572 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2005-04-03
Subject: Megalesia now open
L IUL SULLA AEDILIS CURULIS QUIRITIBUS S.P.D.

Ex Officio Aedilis Curulis.

LUDI MEGALENSES AD MAGNAM MATREM ET PROVINCIAM DACIAM CELEBRANDA

As from our Roman Calendar, I, L Iul Sulla Senior Aedilis Curulis,
declare Ludi Megalenses for the year 2758 a.U.c. open.

Uor website: http://www.cohorssullana.grafosystem.ro/

Will follow the program for the Ludi, and the religious celebrations
for Magna Mater.

April 4th : Opening with Religious Celebrations; Ludi Scaenici;
Certamen Historicum 2
April 5th: Venationes; Munera Gladiatoria quarters; Certamen
Historicum 3
April 6th: Ludi Circenses quarters; Munera Gladiatoria semifinals;
Certamen Historicum 4
April 7th: Megalesia Cultural Award; Certamen Historicum 5
April 8th: Munera Gladiatoria final; Ludi Circenses semifinals;
Certamen Historicum 6
April 9th: Rhetorical Poetry Contest; Certamen Historicum 7
April 10th: Ludi Circenses final; Magna Mater Bulletin; Ludi
Megalenses Results; Closing


Let the Phyrgian rites commence!
The Septemvir and the Curulis Aedilis Lucius Iulius Sulla,
followed by the chief heireia Iulia Caesaris and another heireia
clad in coloured Phyrgian robes and the chief Gallos in purple with
long hair and a golden crown, and the nymph-like Galloi process into
the temple and up to the altar of Magna Mater with song "Khaireomen,
o philoi - Rejoice o friends".

The offerings and sacrificial implements are carried around the
altar. Then, placing the statue of the Great Mother on a litter,
with
singing and amphorae they process down the temple staircase to the
piazza, where there is a large fountain and basin, for the ritual
washing of the Mother. The water is sanctified, with smoldering wood
from the altar fire. The statue is rubbed with ask and bathed in the
lustral water. The attendants fill the jars to return to the front
of
the temple where the hands of the worshippers are washed with
lustral
water, which is sprinkled over the sacrificial heifer, the 'moretum'
offfering and the altar.

The chief Gallos whispers into the ear of Lucius Iulius Sulla,
so as to make no mistakes, the words so he invites the gods: "Hear,
receiving the sacrifice and rejoicing in the rite. Hail children of
Jupiter! Grant lovely song and celebrate the holy race of the
deathless gods who are for ever."

The priestess Cocceia slowly and carefully recites the hymn in
honour
of the Mother of the Gods, while the galloi and the priestesses sing
and play on drums and flutes and pipes:

"Sing to me, O Muse, clear-voiced daughter of great Zeus,
Of the mother of all gods and all men.
In the din of rattles and drums and in the sounds of pipes
she delights. In the howl of wolves and the roar of
glaring
lions,
in resounding mountains and wooded glens she finds her
joy.
Farewell! And you and all the godesses delight in my
song."

The chief Gallos: "To you, o blessed ones, we bring a libation and a
sacrifice, accept from us this sacrifice of all kinds of fruits,
poured out abundantly."

The participants scatter a few grains of wheat into the fire and
drops of lustral water on the unblemished heifer's head.

With the knife the Aedile cuts a bit of hair from the heifer's
forehead and throws it into the fire, the heifer is tied gently to
the altar, her gentle mein shows she goes willingly. The vicimarii
stun the heifer and cut her throat, the blood spills on the altar
while the women ululate with shrill cries.

A portion of the offering is set aside for the gods by the chief
Gallos: "Come propitiously, blessed ones, and accept the delightful
offerings" and burned, the first and last for Vesta, then the Great
Mother, the rest is cooked and distributed among the people.

A portion of the offerings, moretum and wine are poured onto the
fire.

They return into the sanctuary and close with the chief Gallos: "Let
us rejoice in the company of the gods!"

Worshippers: "Let us rejoice!"

All now sing "Ie Paion" and play their drums, flutes and cymbals...


The Pompa

The cult statue with the face of black stone is placed in a carriage
drawn by lions, this is placed on a litter and the Galloi bearing
the
saving image of Cybele exit the temple and process down the Palatine
through the hills of Rome.

The atmosphere is incredible. The crowds line the streets to see the
litter of the Great Mother, the preserver of Rome. First, they hear
the thumping drums, then the clashing cymbals, skirling flutes and
the procession comes! The eunuch priests of Magna Mater are dancing,
throwing their long hair about. In their long bright dresses, with
the sun glinting on their earrings and bracelets and the immense
pectoral on their breast; they appear as from another world.

Exuding a perfume, some bear the litter others dance and beg coins
for the Great Mother. The priestesses howl, dance and drum wildly on
the tympana, the sound is thunder, the hollow cymbals resound, the
horns blast with raucous song, while the hollow pipes stimulate the
mind with their Phyrgian mode.

They all sing madly hymns to the Great Mother:
"O Mother of Dindymene, Mother of the gods, Great Idean Mother,
Phrygian Mother
Ancestral goddess whom we worship with ecstacy and song!
The Carthaginians were near,
but your holy statue was brought by the noblest men and
women to the city on the Tiber,
placed in the Temple of Victory, and you gave the
children of Aeneas victory!
The fruitful fields groaned from the heavy harvest of your
blessing. O Great protectress of Rome!"

In a shower of rose petals, the procession which all Rome has come
to
see makes its way down the steps of the temple, the clivi, the
hills,
to the Circus Maximus that the games may be viewed under the very
gaze of Magna Mater.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34573 From: FAC Date: 2005-04-03
Subject: In memoryof Pope Ioannes Paulus II
Salvete Omnes,
I'm not catholic and I'm not a religious man, but I think all the
world should cry the death of a great man which will be remembered in
the history for his clementia and intelligence.
Karol Wojtilya wasn't not the Catholic Pope, he was champion of peace,
friendship between religions, dialogue between cultures and humanity.
He was anti-communist, anti-fascist and anti-capitalism, he was anti-
war and he work for a better world moving the Catholic Church to the
future and protecting his religious tradition in the same time.
I embrass all the catholics here and all the people admiring the Pope
John Paul II. We all should pray our own Gods for a great man running
now in the his Campi Elisi!

Valete
Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Senior Consul
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34574 From: FAC Date: 2005-04-03
Subject: Re: Site for NR Children
Salve Illustrus Quintus,
thank you for the excellent website.

I would add another good website for children, a flash game teaching
the history of the destruction of Pompei and Herculaneum and the daily
life of the Romans.

http://matilde.netribe.it/pompei/uk/home.htm

This website is created by the official Statal Office for the vesuvian
archeological area.

Vale
Fr. Apulus Ceasar
Senior Consul



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Guiboche" <nate@m...> wrote:
> Salve All
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> Pass this to your NR kids.
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> Here is a good site for those Nova Roman Children out there!. Good
stuff to foster their young roman interest...
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> http://members.aol.com/Donnclass/Romelife.html
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> Quintus
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34575 From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus Date: 2005-04-03
Subject: Re: Site for NR Children
Salve Consul, et salvete Quirites,

FAC <sacro_barese_impero@...> writes:

> I would add another good website for children, a flash game teaching
> the history of the destruction of Pompei and Herculaneum and the daily
> life of the Romans.
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> http://matilde.netribe.it/pompei/uk/home.htm
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> This website is created by the official Statal Office for the vesuvian
> archeological area.

This is GREAT! I love it. Wonderful little website. I'll add it to the
Links section of the Yahoo website.

Valete Quirites,

-- Marinus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34576 From: FAC Date: 2005-04-03
Subject: Roman Math
Salvete Omnes,
Illustrus Censor Marinus sent me an interesting website about the use
of Math by the Ancient Romans. Very interesting...

http://mathforum.org/dr.math/faq/faq.roman.html

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Consul
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34577 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2005-04-03
Subject: Re: Site for NR Children
Salve Illustre Caesare!

Wonderful site for children. My son tommorow are going to the school, after the holiday, and he don't want to sleep. He want to see more from this site.

Vale,
Iul Sabinus

FAC <sacro_barese_impero@...> wrote:

Salve Illustrus Quintus,
thank you for the excellent website.

I would add another good website for children, a flash game teaching
the history of the destruction of Pompei and Herculaneum and the daily
life of the Romans.

http://matilde.netribe.it/pompei/uk/home.htm

This website is created by the official Statal Office for the vesuvian
archeological area.

Vale
Fr. Apulus Ceasar
Senior Consul



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Nathan Guiboche" <nate@m...> wrote:
> Salve All
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> Pass this to your NR kids.
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> Here is a good site for those Nova Roman Children out there!. Good
stuff to foster their young roman interest...
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> http://members.aol.com/Donnclass/Romelife.html
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> Quintus
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34578 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2005-04-03
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Call for Cultural Award !
AVE NOVAROMANI !

Talking about victories is a commonly discussion,even so ,we forget that defeats
have their specific contribution in the making of such an experience.
This year's subject consists in analyzing this kind of matter. And this
matter altogether with similar ones contributed in the year 204 BC to the
bringing forth of the Magna Matter Cult in Rome.
Those of you who will have the ability to illustrate in their essays the
historical context,the miliary strategic elements and the dramatic nature of the
events, as well as their consequences as reported to the Magna Matter Cult,
shall be declared by the most honorable judge comittee the winners of Megalesia
Cultural Award 2758.

THE BATTLE OF TRASIMENUS
In the early morning of June 24, 217 b.C., under a thick layer of fog, the best
part of the Roman Army was already stationed in the plains. Hannibal had
positioned his light cavalry and the Celts at the entrance to the valley to
block any possible Roman retreat; the Libyans and Iberians protected his camp;
the Balearics and Asiati closed the way to the hill of Montigeto. Hannibal gave
orders that they should all attack at the same time. The battle continued for
three hours, and 15,000 Roman soldiers who sought escape in the waters of the
lake were killed.

Do you want more.....?

http://www.cohorssullana.grafosystem.ro/a4.htm
1) The literary award, "Megalensia Cultural Award" is open to all the citizens
of Nova Roma. The task of the contest is to write a text about a historical
deed connected to the cult of the Magna Mater in Rome.

2) The Award is open to single participants or to groups composed of a maximum
of 5 citizens. Each participant or group of participants can participate with
just _one_ work. It isn't allowed to be a member of a group and participate as a
individual at the same time. The contributed work must be in English, with a
maximum of 2000 words. These kinds of works are accepted: novel, drama, tragedy
about the Trasimenus battle.

3) Each text must have the following facts about the participant(s):
Nova Roman name, real name, Nova Roman Province, age and e-mail address.

4) The deadline to send own work is April 7th 2005 (2758 a.u.c.) at 24.00 time
of Roma, by e-mail to iulius_sabinus@... with the subject "Megalesia
Cultural Award". Entries posted to any Nova Roma mailing list will be
disqualified.

OPTIME VALE,

IVL SABINVS,

Curator Aedilis Aranei.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34579 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2005-04-03
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Ludi Scaenici.
AVETE NOVAROMANI !

It is a great honour for me, to present on the first day of the Feria Megalesiae, in honour of Magna Mater, the ludus scaenicus :

ANDRIA
by Publius Terentius Afer

trans. by Henry Thomas Riley.

THE SUBJECT.

Chremes and Phania were brothers, citizens of Athens. Chremes going to Asia, leaves his

daughter, Pasibula, in the care of his brother Phania, who, afterward setting sail with

Pasibula for Asia, is wreckedoff the Isle of Andros.

Escaping with their lives, they are kindly received by a native of the island; and Phania

soon afterward dies there.

The Andrian changes the name of the girl to Glycerium, and brings her up, as his own child,

with his daughter Chrysis. On his death, Chrysis and Glycerium sail for Athens to seek their

fortune there. Chrysis being admired by several Athenian youths, Pamphilus, the son of Simo, an

opulent citizen, chances to see Glycerium, and falls violently in love with her. She afterward

becomes pregnant by him, on which he makes her a promise of marriage. In the mean time, Chremes,

who is now living at Athens, and is ignorant of the fate of Pasibula, agrees with Simo, the father

of Pamphilus, to give Philumena, another daughter, in marriage to Pamphilus. While these arrangements

are being made, Chrysis dies; on which Simo accidentally discovers his son's connection with Glycerium.

Chremes, also coming to hear of it, declines the match, having no idea that Glycerium is really

his own daughter.

Simo, however, in order to test his son's feelings, resolves to pretend that the marriage-day is fixed.

Meeting Pamphilus in the town, he desires him to go home and prepare for the wedding, which is to

take place immediately. In his perplexity, the youth has recourseto his servant Davus, who, having heard

of the refusal of Chremes, suspects the design of Simo.

At this conjuncture, Charinus, a friend of Pamphilus, who is enamored of Philumena, but has been

rejected by her father, entreats Pamphilus to put off the marriage, for at least a few days. Disclosing his

own aversion to thematch, Pamphilus readily engages to do this. In order the more effectually to break

it off, Davus advises Pamphilus to pretend a readiness to comply with his father's wishes, supposing that

of course Chremes will steadily persist in his refusal.

Pamphilus does as he is advised, on which Simo again applies to Chremes, who, after some entreaty,

gives his consent.

Just at this conjuncture, Glycerium is delivered of a son; and by the advice of Davus, it is

laid before the door of Simo's house. Chremes happening to see it there, and ascertaining that

Pamphilus is its father,again refuses to give him his daughter. At this moment, Crito, a native of Andros,

arrives, who, being a relative of Chrysis, has come to Athens to look after her property. Through him,

Chremes discovers that Glycerium is no otherthan his long-lost daughter, Pasibula; on which he consents

to her immediate marriage with Pamphilus, who promises Charinus that he willuse his best endeavors

to obtain for him the hand of Philumena. .......................................................................................

http://www.cohorssullana.grafosystem.ro/a1.htm

OPTIME VALE,

IVL SABINVS








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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34580 From: Lucius Iulius Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Re: In memoryof Pope Ioannes Paulus II
SALVE CONSUL AMICE

He was a great man indeed, in my opinion one of the most important men
for our history in the last centuries.
Anyway, I think he wouldn't be happy to run now in Campi Elisi, after a
life totally dedicated to Christianity! ;-)

BENE VALE
L IUL SULLA


> I embrass all the catholics here and all the people admiring the Pope
> John Paul II. We all should pray our own Gods for a great man running
> now in the his Campi Elisi!
>
> Valete
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar
> Senior Consul
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34581 From: FAC Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Re: In memoryof Pope Ioannes Paulus II
Salve Aedile Sulla, Amice,

> He was a great man indeed, in my opinion one of the most important
men
> for our history in the last centuries.
> Anyway, I think he wouldn't be happy to run now in Campi Elisi,
after a
> life totally dedicated to Christianity! ;-)

In fact I wrote "in HIS Campi Elisi". It's not important if we call
them Campi Elisi or Nirvana or christian Paradise, the most important
thing is that now he is in front of God.
I agree with you, one of the gretest man of the last centuries.

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Consul
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34583 From: Maxima Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
I heard someone on TV say that if you divided the 20th century in half, the greatest man of the first half would be Winston Churchill and the greatest man of the second half would be Pope John Paul II.
I say that about sums it up.
And to think, someone has to follow in his footsteps. Pity that poor man. Who wants to follow a giant among men? Never easy. I say near darn impossible, but I wish whoever becomes the next pope the best of luck anyway.

Maxima Valeria Messallina


gaiusequitiuscato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:

OSD G. Equiutius Cato

Salvete omnes.

Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis.
Te decet hymnus, Deus, in Sion, et tibi reddetur votum in Ierusalem
Exaudi orationem meam ad te omnis caro veniet.

Requiem aeternam dona defunctis, Domine, et lux perpetua luceat eis.
Requiem aeternam dona eis, Domine, et lux perpetua eis.

Hostias et preces tibi, Domine laudis offerimus tu suscipe pro
animabus illis, quarum hodie memoriam facimus. Fac eas, Domine, de
morte transire ad vitam, quam olim Abrahae promisisti et semine eius.

Libera me, Domine, de morte aeterna in die illa tremenda quando coeli
movendi sunt et terra, dum veneris judicare saeculum per ignem.

Tremens factus sum ego et timeo, dum discussion venerit atque venture
ira: quando coeli movendi sunt et terra.

Valete bene in pace deorum.

Cato

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34584 From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Gaius Modius Athanasius S.P.D.

To a Catholic anyone who occupies the chair of St. Peter is a giant among
men. There were many men who occupied the See of Rome that were great in the
past 100 years or so. Lets not forget Pope Leo XIII (died 1903), and St. Pius
X (died 1914), and Pius XII (died 1958). All of these men were
extraordinary. I am sure we shall see additional Popes who will bring the papacy honor
and dignity. At least, on behalf of my Catholic friends, I sure hope so.

Valete;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 4/4/2005 8:02:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
violetphearsen@... writes:

I heard someone on TV say that if you divided the 20th century in half, the
greatest man of the first half would be Winston Churchill and the greatest
man of the second half would be Pope John Paul II.
I say that about sums it up.
And to think, someone has to follow in his footsteps. Pity that poor man.
Who wants to follow a giant among men? Never easy. I say near darn impossible,
but I wish whoever becomes the next pope the best of luck anyway.

Maxima Valeria Messallina





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34585 From: gaiuspopilliuslaenas Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Candidates for Quaestor
Gaius Popillius Laenas Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit.

We have one ramianing vacancy for the position of Quaestor which must
be filled.

Candidiates must be at least 21 years of age, have been a citizen for
at least 6 months, and be assuidi.

Please let me know of your desire to stand by writing to :

gaiuspopilliuslaenas@....

Valete.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34586 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Re: In memoryof Pope Ioannes Paulus II
Salvete omnes,

John Paul's passing marks the end of an era and we all feel the loss
of such a great leader in the world. A great part of his legacy was
to improve the interaction of all faiths in the world.

I just wanted to mention that since he worked so hard to reconcile
differences and bring people of all faiths of the world closer
together, I am confident that he would have in the flesh and now in
the spirit, touched and greatly appreciated the prayers, best wishes
and bon voyages to whatever paradises other religions think he would
go.
I know that besides Pope John Paul, there are many people of his
flock, such as me that greatly appreciate the well wishes and
prayers from those of other religions from the Religio Romano to
Jews, Muslims, Buddhists and all.

Respectfully,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "FAC" <sacro_barese_impero@l...>
wrote:
>
> Salve Aedile Sulla, Amice,
>
> > He was a great man indeed, in my opinion one of the most
important
> men
> > for our history in the last centuries.
> > Anyway, I think he wouldn't be happy to run now in Campi Elisi,
> after a
> > life totally dedicated to Christianity! ;-)
>
> In fact I wrote "in HIS Campi Elisi". It's not important if we
call
> them Campi Elisi or Nirvana or christian Paradise, the most
important
> thing is that now he is in front of God.
> I agree with you, one of the gretest man of the last centuries.
>
> Vale
> Fr. Apulus Caesar
> Senior Consul
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34587 From: Manius Constantinus Serapio Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Re: Nova Roma - Provincia Dacia
AVETE SABINE OMNESQVE

> Why not ? It's a great honour for us. And Dacia has a lot of
wonderful places. Think about at Ulpia Traiana, Alburnus Maior,

Wow! It would be wonderful to organize a Conventus in Alburnus
Maior/Rosia Montana! We have been following its recent history in
these years with the danger it to be destroyed by Gabriel Resources to
open a gold mine! I also presented a report about the situation in
2003 during the Conventus in Bologna.
I'd be very very interested in finally seeing this place with my eyes!

OPTIME VALE
M'C.Serapio
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34588 From: philipp.hanenberg@web.de Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Accepto officium propraetoris interpretisque
Marcus Flavius Philippus Conservatus quiritbus salutem dicit.



Ego, Marcus Flavius Philippus Conservatus, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Marcus Flavius Philippus Conservatus, officiis propraetoris interpretisque Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.

Ego, Marcus Flavius Philippus Conservatus, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Marcus Flavius Philippus Conservatus officiis muneris propraetoris interpretisque me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus propraetoris una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.



Bene valete
M. Flavius Philippus Conservatus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34589 From: Rob Sullivan Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALESIA - racing chariots
Salvete,

My apologies to all for the error in posting my entry to the main list. I saw the From: address and shot a reply off without checking the data. I am normally much more careful and much more quiet.

Thanks to all who noticed.

Valete,
Crassus

P.S. GO BLUES (Veneta, not the Oilers) ;-)
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
Salvete Quirites,

Entries for the Ludi Circensis must be sent via private e-mail to the
person designated in the Aedilician edict. Posting the entries here in
the main list will not get your chariot into the race.

Valete,

-- Marinus

Triarius wrote:
>
>
> Salvete,
>
> Any other Factio Veneta Chariots out there! ALL HAIL THE BLUE!!!
>
> Valete,
> Triarius
>
>
> A) Name: Lucius Vitellius Triarius
> B) Chariot: Velox Puteulanus Sors
> C) Driver: Felix Celeris
> D) Quarters and Semi Strategy: WIN
> E) Finals Strategy: WIN
> F) Factio: Veneta
> G/H/I): The Domus of Triarius would never violate the honorable
> standards of the Ludi...unless, of course, it was determined that
> evil and corruption was at hand...
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Rob Sullivan <rysullivan@y...>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Salvete,
>>
>>A) Name: Titus Licinius Crassus
>>B) Chariot: Orionis Draco
>>C) Driver: Equus Magnus
>>D) Quarters and Semi Strategy: (6) To hurry in the straight lines
>>E) Finals Strategy: (2) To pass the curves closely the "spina" of
>
> the circus
>
>>F) Factio: Veneta
>>G),H) & I) No dirty tricks or defences. Saving up for later ludis
>>
>>Valete,
>>Crassus
>>
>>
>>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34590 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Certamen Historicum No1 (historical contest)
CN CORNELIVS LENTVLVS QVIRITIBVS SALVTEM DICIT:

Avete, Quirites, in the name of Aedilis L. Iulius!

The Megalesia is started, but where are many
history-lovers? Come on! This is a Historical Contest
not only for historians but also for everyone who
loves Roman history!

Here are the rules of Certamen Historicum:
http://www.cohorssullana.grafosystem.ro/rules.htm

And here follows the 1st question for Certamen
Historicum:

QUAESTIO N°1 - The full name of Magna Mater was ’Mater
Deum Magna IdaeaÂ’ but often called also just Â’Mater
IdaeaÂ’. What is the source of Her epithet Â’IdaeaÂ’?


All the answers have to be posted at the following
email:
cnaeus_cornelius@...



VALETE QVAM OPTIME!
Happy Megalesia-Days!

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
Scriba Ludorum - Aed. L. Iulii Sullae
Undecimvir ad Diploma Sodalitatis Latinitatis Retractandum
Propraetor Pannoniae





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34591 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Certamen Historicum - No2
HISTORICAL CONTEST not only for historians:-)

CN CORNELIVS LENTVLVS QVIRITIBVS SALVTEM DICIT:
Avete, Quirites, in the name of Aedilis L. Iulius!

This is a Historical Contest not only for historians
but also for everyone who loves Roman history! I have
not received answers for the previous question so I
will wait with solution-key of the 1st question as
long as there aren't more answers.

And here follows the 2ND question for Certamen
Historicum:

An introduction:

Â’About this time (in the latest years of the 2nd Punic
War) the citizens were much exercised by a religious
question which had lately come up. Owing to the
unusual number of showers of stones which had fallen
during the year, an inspection had been made of the
Sibylline Books, and some oracular verses had been
discovered which announced that whenever a foreign foe
should carry war into Italy he could be driven out and
conquered if the Mater Idaea were brought from
Pessinus to Rome. (Livy, 29. 10)Â’

QUAESTIO N°2 - So the Senate has decided to bring from
Asia Minor to Rome the black stone symbolizing the
Mother Goddess. Who was the king of Asia Minor who
handed Magna Mater to Rome?



All the answers have to be posted at the following
email:
cnaeus_cornelius@...

Here are the rules of Certamen Historicum:
http://www.cohorssullana.grafosystem.ro/rules.htm




VALETE QVAM OPTIME!
Happy Megalesia-Days!

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
Scriba Ludorum - Aed. L. Iulii Sullae
Undecimvir ad Diploma Sodalitatis Latinitatis Retractandum
Propraetor Pannoniae


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34592 From: Salix Cantaber Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALESIA - racing chariots
Salvete omnes.

I accept all the inscriptions, included those that have been sent the Main List.

Of course, if you consider opportune to vary the tactics and comely, since they are not public data, you are in the right of to make it and communicate to my.

Vale.

Q. Salix Cantaber
Scriba Aedili Curule - Ludi Circenses.


----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Sullivan
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2005 7:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: LUDI MEGALESIA - racing chariots




Salvete,

My apologies to all for the error in posting my entry to the main list. I saw the From: address and shot a reply off without checking the data. I am normally much more careful and much more quiet.

Thanks to all who noticed.

Valete,
Crassus

P.S. GO BLUES (Veneta, not the Oilers) ;-)
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
Salvete Quirites,

Entries for the Ludi Circensis must be sent via private e-mail to the
person designated in the Aedilician edict. Posting the entries here in
the main list will not get your chariot into the race.

Valete,

-- Marinus

Triarius wrote:
>
>
> Salvete,
>
> Any other Factio Veneta Chariots out there! ALL HAIL THE BLUE!!!
>
> Valete,
> Triarius
>
>
> A) Name: Lucius Vitellius Triarius
> B) Chariot: Velox Puteulanus Sors
> C) Driver: Felix Celeris
> D) Quarters and Semi Strategy: WIN
> E) Finals Strategy: WIN
> F) Factio: Veneta
> G/H/I): The Domus of Triarius would never violate the honorable
> standards of the Ludi...unless, of course, it was determined that
> evil and corruption was at hand...
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Rob Sullivan <rysullivan@y...>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Salvete,
>>
>>A) Name: Titus Licinius Crassus
>>B) Chariot: Orionis Draco
>>C) Driver: Equus Magnus
>>D) Quarters and Semi Strategy: (6) To hurry in the straight lines
>>E) Finals Strategy: (2) To pass the curves closely the "spina" of
>
> the circus
>
>>F) Factio: Veneta
>>G),H) & I) No dirty tricks or defences. Saving up for later ludis
>>
>>Valete,
>>Crassus
>>
>>
>>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34593 From: FAC Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: To all the Propraetores
Salvete Illustri Propraetores,
with a little delay I send my sincere congratulation and my best
wishes to all the old re-appointed Governors and to all the new
Propraetores. The Senatus appointed many new administrators, I hope
this new generation of Magistrates would emulate and improve the
wonderful job accomplished by their own predecessors which have my
official gratitude.

As said in December I think the growth of NR must to pass in our
Provinciae, through their contacts, local events, projects, etc.
For this reason I would support any Governor would present his own
opinions and live projects and creating a local network of contacts
and referrers (accademies, re-enactors, local public managers,
sponsors, and first of all new citizens).

I was the first Propraetor of Provincia Italia after 4 years of bad-
administration and absence. I know how many hard is to organize
projects and promote NR in the own land. However I know perfectly
that only the provincialis could raise new members and plan the real
and most important activities of our organization.

So I hope to talk, discuss, support and help any Governor which need
of official assistance. If you have ideas or particular projects in
your mind, please contact me or my staff, I'll be happy to talk with
you all.

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Consul
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34594 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Fwd: Ludi Megalesia Rhetorical Poetry Contest
--- In Cohors_Sullana@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_minucia_tiberia"
<pompeia_minucia_tiberia@y...> wrote:

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_minucia_tiberia"
<pompeia_minucia_tiberia@y...> wrote:

Attention Rhetoricians!
Attention Poets!
Attention Political Patrons and Sympathetics!

By the imperium of Lucius Iulius Sulla Curule Aedile in this annum
2758 A.U.C. during the Ludi Megalesia in honour of the Magna Mater,
divine heroin of Rome......we bring you what is sure to posture as
a most unique and scintilating literary experience....in this year's
Rhetorical Poetry Contest

Here is your opportunity to be officially recognized for your hidden
ideas and talents!!

Credit where credit is due!!! At last!!!

Quirites:
Have you sometimes felt that your long-laboured posts to the Main
Forum... yunno, the ones delivered to the magistrates, senatores,
scribae and accensi in question are 'tossed off' like wilted lettuce
from a salad...or perhaps..well... even 'ignored'?

Do you feel like a 'ghost-writer' sometimes?

Do you feel as though you are under the Curse of Cassandra...to
prophesy the truth, yet never to be believed?

Do you feel that, while certain officials are dispelling what you
can only conclude is 'hot air', you are busy articulating an
affidavit affirming an afflatus, to narry an apparent avail?


Well, here is your chance to get out the old parchment and stylus,
dust the writing table, and author a message that is sure to be
noticed and appreciated.

***********

In this competition you will:

DIScuss the magistrate, senator, scriba, accensus who has perhaps
not taken you and your excellent solutions 'seriously' enough in the
past

You may write him or her a love note or a Shakespearian
Sonnet...some other time in some other contest someplace else....OK?

Feel free to DIScuss your beefs, pet peeves, frustrations with:

His or her policy or policies in the capacity of said official
position

His or her writing style on the mainlist....too long? too
short?...too boring (yawn), repetitive, multisyllabled...maybe the
same old blah cliches and played lines over and over.......perhaps
they've made a teensy weensy little boo boo somewhere along the line
that deserves a line or two of lighthearted 'recognition'...hmm?

Be as creative as you wish!! ......BUT what must be written must be
*true*, must not contain adhominem (personal) attacks, namecalling
and the like. Entries with content contrary to the Leges Salicia,
current religious decreta, the constitutional language on civility
of forums, and/or the Yahoo!terms of service will be DISmissed. If
an entry infringes on any of the above, contestants will be notified
and an opportunity to amend their entry will be afforded them.

We shall not DIScuss religious officials and this includes former
and current magistrates who are also religious officials. Matter of
fact, we won't DIScuss religion at all :)

And we shall not DIS the members of the Jury of judges in this
contest.

***********

What's the Catch?

Judging Criteria for Entry


Entry must be 8-14 lines long (mandatory criteria: 5 points for the
first 8 lines and one point for each line up to 14 lines)

It must rhyme (maximum 10 points)

It must have good poetic beat (not necessarily the type of beat but
the consistency throughout the work...maximum 10 points)

It must be humourous (maximum 10 points)

Wordplay...puns, metaphors, cliches (maximum 5 points)

Accuracy of Content (calling someone an aedile when they are in fact
are or were a Quaestor is not accurate..maximum 5 points)

Roman Content (maximum 5 points)

All entries must be posted to Trog99@s... (trog99atshawdotca) on
or before April 8 2400 Roman time for rating by the jury. Please
direct any questions about this competition to this address as well.

***********

Who are the Jurors?

Well, some of the finest poets rhetoricians, scholars, commentators
and deliberators among the citizenry of Nova Roma!

Lucius Iulius Sulla Curule Aedile
Salvia Sempronia Graccha
Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbarus
Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus

We will be posting entries on a separate site or board to be enjoyed
by all... and of course the names of the winners...first, second,
and if numbers indicate, third place...we'll keep you informed!

Maybe you'd like to write that *special* official you intend to
DIScuss so that he or she may engage in a rebuttal of sorts!

Send your entries anytime up to April 8 2400 Roma time, and Bona
Fortuna!
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34595 From: Maxima Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
AthanasiosofSpfd@... wrote:

Gaius Modius Athanasius S.P.D.

To a Catholic anyone who occupies the chair of St. Peter is a giant among men.
There were many men who occupied the See of Rome that were great in the past 100 years or so. Lets not forget Pope Leo XIII (died 1903), and St. Pius X (died 1914), and Pius XII (died 1958). All of these men were extraordinary.
I am sure we shall see additional Popes who will bring the papacy honor and dignity. At least, on behalf of my Catholic friends, I sure hope so.

Valete;

Gaius Modius Athanasius


Salve, Gaius Modius Athanasius

If only it were so, that all who have occupied the Chair of St. Peter were "giants among men," but Catholics know that this is far from the truth, which makes the passing away of His Holiness, John Paul II, even more difficult to bear.
I was once a devout Catholic and most of my family and friends still are, but we all know that few popes can compare with Pope John Paul II. He was not only a giant among men, but an exceptional pope. He was a wise and holy man, a brilliant scholar and his accomplishments leave those of most popes far behind. Even members of other religions loved him, or, at least, held him in high regard. I can think of no other pope that was ever held in such high esteem by non-Catholics. Even atheists have come forth to say good things about him!
The truth is some popes were good, some were only half-way decent, and some were a disgrace to the title they bore. The Borgia and Medici Popes were so horrid, their collective papacies brought about the Protestant Reformation. There were several bad popes during the Middle Ages who, among other terrible things, sold cardinalships to raise money for their armies, making even teenagers cardinals! Alexander VI even ran brothels and was openly refered to as a "pimp" in public. Some popes lived in open violation of their vows of celibacy. And then there were the Antipopes, but that's a whole another can of worms......
And Pope Pius XII has been accused of anti-semitism. There is little doubt now that he did not do all he could have done, and had the power to do, to help many Jews escape the terrors the Nazis inflicted on them. In fact, he chastised the priests and nuns who did help them. Hardly a good example.
Fortunately, none of the bad popes enacted bad teachings. According to the Bible ( Matt. 16:19, 23 ), Christ promised to protect the Church against erroneous teachings, not corrupt men. It is remarkable to note that no other institution has survived so much internal corruption over such lengthy periods of time and still be in existence today.
Now, some popes were exceptional and 78 have been canonized, with nine having the title of Blessed, which is one step away from being declared saints. But there has never been a pope like Pope John Paul II. No one can dispute that. No even this ex-Catholic.
For the sake of Catholics everywhere, I hope the next pope will be a good one, but to put upon him the pressure of trying to be another John Paul II would be terribly unfair, unkind and not very realistic.

Vale

Maxima Valeria Messallina





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34596 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Re: Fwd: Ludi Megalesia Rhetorical Poetry Contest
G. Equitius Cato P. Minuciae-Tiberiae Straboni quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve Pompeia Strabo et salvete omnes.



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_minucia_tiberia"
<pompeia_minucia_tiberia@y...> wrote:

> We shall not DIScuss religious officials and this includes former
> and current magistrates who are also religious officials. Matter
of
> fact, we won't DIScuss religion at all :)


Without trying to be obnoxious or start a flame war, Senatrix, isn't
this somewhat akin to the former refusal to allow religious articles
in the "Aquila"? The Megalesiae were specifically a time during which
satire regarding, and disrespect for, social "norms" was rampant:
things were done backwards, men wore womens' clothing (and vice
versa), etc. Satirizing a specific magistrate, even if he is a
religious official, is not anything even close to showing disrespect
for the religio publica as a whole, if that is the basis for this
particular exclusion.

Vale et valete,

Cato

P.S. - for purposes of full public disclosure, I have to admit that
I've written a side-splittingly hilarious satire of a certain
religious official. And I mean laugh out loud, soda-through-your-nose
kinda funny. Well, I think it's funny. Ha ha.
GEC
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34597 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Fwd: LUDI MEGALENSES - Call for Cultural Award !
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, iulius sabinus
<iulius_sabinus@y...> wrote:

AVETE CIVES ROMANI !

Ludi Megalenses Cultural Award : "The Trasimenus Battle" !

http://www.cohorssullana.grafosystem.ro

Rules :

1) The literary award, "Megalensia Cultural Award" is open to all
the citizens of Nova Roma. The task of the contest is to write a
text about a historical deed connected to the cult of the Magna
Mater in Rome.

2) The Award is open to single participants or to groups composed of
a maximum of 5 citizens. Each participant or group of participants
can participate with just _one_ work. It isn't allowed to be a
member of a group and participate as a individual at the same time.
The contributed work must be in English, with a maximum of 2000
words. These kinds of works are accepted: novel, drama, tragedy
about the Trasimenus battle.

3) Each text must have the following facts about the participant(s):
Nova Roman name, real name, Nova Roman Province, age and e-mail
address.

4) The deadline to send own work is April 7th 2005 (2758 a.u.c.) at
24.00 time of Roma, by e-mail to iulius_sabinus@y... with the
subject "Megalesia Cultural Award". Entries posted to any Nova Roma
mailing list will be disqualified.

5) The texts will judged by a Jury composed by the following
Honourables Citizens:

- Gnaeus Equitus Marinus - Senator and Censor.
- Gaius Popilius Laenas - Senator and Consul.
- Marcus Iulius Perusianus - Senator and Praetor
- Aulus Apollonius Cordus - Legate Provincia Brittania
- Tiberius Galerius Paulinus - Questor, Corypheus Sodalitas Musarum.
- Lucius Iulius Sulla - Senior Curule Aedile.
- Gnaeus Iulius Caesar - Legate Provincia Canada Occidentalis.
- Titus Iulius Sabinus - Curator Aedilis Aranei.

6) Each judge in the jury shall value each work following this table
of judgements

- Contents (0-10 points)
- Roman historical references (0-10 points)
- Ars Militaria references (0-10 points)
- Language (0-10 points)
- Specific references to contents (0-10 points)


The points from all judges are summarized and this sum will decide
who will win (min. 0 - max. 400)
The judgements of the jury are un-impugnable.

7) The result will be published on April 10th 2005 at the Lucius
Iulius Sulla' Cohors Aedilis Websites Ludi Section and on the Main
Mailing List of Nova Roma.

8) The winner will have his work published on Lucius Iulius Sulla'
Cohors Aedilis Websites Ludi Section and on the Official Website of
the Magna Mater Project.

9) The texts will be archived by the Ludi organization. The
participants give the copyrights of their text to Nova Roma
accepting this regulation. This Regulation is accepted by taking
part of the "Megalesia Cultural Award".

OPTIME VALE,

IVL SABINVS

Curator Aedilis Aranei .



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34598 From: Julia Cybele Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: The Blessings of Magna Mater
As the Megalensia wekk begins, I invoke the Blessings of Magna Mater

upon all the Citizens of Nova Roma and all who love the Glory of Rome!

May She bring protection and prosperity to those who remember Her
Ancient Name,

In this, Her joyous festival week!

-Iulia Caesaris, Sacer.M.D.M.I.

* * * * * * *

AVE CYBELE, BERECYNTHIA MATER!

AVE DINDYMENE, MATER DEVM MAGNA IDAEA!

TE PRECOR BONAS PRECES,

VTI SIES VOLENS PROPITIA NOBIS.

O DEA CAELESTIS, ITA EST.

* * * * * * *

http://italia.novaroma.org/cohorsaedilis/ludi/megalesia/magnamater.htm

Http://www.aztriad.com/cybele.html
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34599 From: Hector De Leon Date: 2005-04-04
Subject: Ancient History Re-enactors of Florida
Friends,

This is to announce that a group of historical re-enactors (most of us
WWII re-enactors) in FL, are trying to organize our efforts and create
a forum for those interested in re-enacting ancient history (some of
us are part of Nova Roma). If interested. Please visit:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Ancienthistoryreenactorsofflorida?
yguid=150320912

Camillus Herennius Hector
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34600 From: Luc Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: Introduction
Beatus exsisto!
Hello, I am Luc Johnston a Filiolus Veneficus practioner of Religio Romana. I am part of other Nova Roma groups and am proud to be here. I own a group called Pacis_quod_Vox "Peace and Power". Doesnt have any members yet but you know..lol..I am currently looking for my Patron and am looking forward to my miniature Megalesia festival. Thanks..


Peace ,
Luc Johnston





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34602 From: Gnaeus Salvius Astur Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: Academia Course: Rituals of the Religio Romana
CN·SALVIVS·ASTVR·QVIRITIBVS·S·P·D

S·V·B·E·E·V

Last year, one of Nova Roma's most successful events was a course on
the Roman Religion prepared by the Academia Thules and imparted by M.
Horatius Pisicinus. Following the cosmic principle that one can't have
too much of a good thing, the Academia Thules proudly presents the
second edition of Piscinus' course on the Religio Romana, titled
"Rituals of the Religio Romana".

The course will be given through seven different lessons in seven
weeks (for those mathematically impaired, that means one lesson per
week), beginning on the 9th of May and ending on the 26th of June. The
syllabus of the course will be as follows:

1st week: Purification

2nd week: Daily rituals

3rd week: Structure of a rite -- Praefatio, Pompa, Sacrificatio
(Praecatio, Oblatio, Probatio, Immolatio, Exta caesa, Scrutatio,
Porrecta), Litatio, Perlitatio

4th week: Ministeri sacrificii -- Praesidius, praetor, magister,
Promptor and pontifices, Praeco, Minister sacrificii, popae, and
victimii, Haruspex, Camilli

5th week: Gesture in Prayer

6th week: Oblationes -- Oblationes and the Numa tradition, Obstitium
and oblati, Performing oblationes, Immolationes

7th week: After course discussion

In order to complete the course and be duly inscribed in the Academia
rolls, students will be required to participate in the discussions
held after each lesson has been presented and do the assignments
required by the praeceptor. Students may also subscribe just to
monitor the course, but, without participation, there shall be no
grading.

All those who want to subscribe to this *FREE* Academia course, and
all those who would like to know more about this course or the
Academia Thules, please write to:

cn.salvius.astur_ROMAVICIT_@...

erasing the _ROMAVICIT_ part (just there to avoid trash mailers).

Do not miss thiss opportunity to learn what the Religio Romana is all about!

BENE·VALETE·TV·TVIQVE·OMNES

CN·SALVIVS·T·F·A·NEP·OVF·ASTVR·SCRIPSIT
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34603 From: philipp.hanenberg@web.de Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: Accepto officium propraetoris interpretisque
Marcus Flavius Philippus Conservatus quiritbus salutem dicit.



Ego, Marcus Flavius Philippus Conservatus, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Marcus Flavius Philippus Conservatus, officiis propraetoris interpretisque Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.

Ego, Marcus Flavius Philippus Conservatus, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse, ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Marcus Flavius Philippus Conservatus officiis muneris propraetoris interpretisque me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus propraetoris una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.



Bene valete
M. Flavius Philippus Conservatus

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34604 From: Diana Aventina Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: Re: Academia Course: Rituals of the Religio Romana
Salve Salix,

> Last year, one of Nova Roma's most successful events
> was a course on
> the Roman Religion prepared by the Academia Thules
> and imparted by M. Horatius Pisicinus.

Last year? Didn't he quit Nova Roma in March 2001?

<the Academia Thules proudly presents the
> second edition of Piscinus' course on the Religio
> Romana, titled "Rituals of the Religio Romana".

Since he is no longer a citizen of NR, I certainly
hope that someone has asked his permission before
giving his course.

Vale,
Diana



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34605 From: Gnaeus Salvius Astur Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: Re: Academia Course: Rituals of the Religio Romana
CN·SALVIVS·ASTVR·S·P·D

S·V·B·E·E·V

DIANA·OCTAVIA·SCRIPSIT

> > Last year, one of Nova Roma's most successful events
> > was a course on
> > the Roman Religion prepared by the Academia Thules
> > and imparted by M. Horatius Pisicinus.
>
> Last year? Didn't he quit Nova Roma in March 2001?

He did. *And* he imparted a course about Roman Religion last year.

> > the Academia Thules proudly presents the
> > second edition of Piscinus' course on the Religio
> > Romana, titled "Rituals of the Religio Romana".
>
> Since he is no longer a citizen of NR, I certainly
> hope that someone has asked his permission before
> giving his course.

I must have explained myself poorly. He is the teacher of the course.
He certainly has permission. :-)

> Vale,
> Diana

Now this is what I call constructive criticism. :-)

BENE·VALETE·TV·TVIQVE·OMNES

CN·SALVIVS·T·F·A·NEP·OVF·ASTVR·SCRIPSIT
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34606 From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: Edictum Propraetoricium XVII
Edictum Propraetoricium XVII

About the previous Edicta and the Officials in place

I hereby maintain for the time being all the Edicta taken by my predecessor and the team
actually in place.

Je maintiens tous les Edits promulgu�s par mon pr�d�cesseur ainsi que les officiers
actuellement en charge jusqu�� nouvel ordre.

Sextus Apollonius Scipio
Propraetor Galliae

Given in Lutetia April the 5, Year 2005 of the current Era, in the year of the consulship
of Franciscus Apulus Caesar and Gaius Popillius Laenas




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34607 From: Maior Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: Re: Academia Course: Rituals of the Religio Romana
M. Hortensia Maior D. Octaviae Aventinae sd.
Salve; we are certainly fortunate that Marcus Horatius is
giving what all past and future devotees of the RR have needed and
hoped for; an historical and real life course on how to practice the
Religio Romana!
I am doubly grateful to Academia Thules, by the by are you still
sacerdos Veneris? Didn't you say during elections you were an
agnostic. bene vale
Marca Hortensia Maior TRP


> Since he is no longer a citizen of NR, I certainly
> hope that someone has asked his permission before
> giving his course.
>
> Vale,
> Diana
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34608 From: Aulus Sempronius Regulus Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: Fas: Ius; Religio: Pietas/Legal Structure Roman Religion
Salvete!

This post (a partial response to A. Apollonius Cordus)
briefly examines the terms fas, ius, religio, and
pietas in terms of archaic Roman religious usage in
light of contemporary research in Indo-European
linguistics. Basically, what ius is to fas, pietas is
to religio.

It seems to be the majority consensus of contemporary
Latin philogy and Indo-European linguistics that fas
is cognate to and derived from the same Indo-European
root (*dhas) as the Vedic Sanskrit �dharma� and ius is
cognate to and derived from the same Indo-European
root as the Vedic Sanskrit �rta�. Moreover, the
semantic content and relations between these
Indo-European roots and both their cognate Vedic and
Latin derivatives are very similar. Just like the
relation of the Vedic terms dharma and rta in Vedic
religion, Dumezil tells us that

Fas would be the mystical, invisible basis without
which ius is not possible, and which sustains all the
visible arrangements and relations defined by ius�A
time or a place are fasti or nefasti according as they
provide or do not provide human activity with this
mystical basis which is its principal
security.(Dumezil, 131)

The semantic and relationship between the meanings and
relations of fas and ius finds an analogous structure
between religio and pietas. We will examine this
relationship later but first we need to look briefly
at the originals of these two terms.

According to the findings of contemporary linguistics,
the cognate Indo-European roots for religio are *lig-,
*leg-, *log- (from which, for example, we get legal,
legate, college, ligament, ligature, intelligence,
legein and logos amongst a plethora of other words).
Following up on and reviewing the research of Franz
Altheim, W. Ward Fowler, M. Kobbert, and W. Otto, C.
Koch has argued that the most ancient concept opposed
to religio is in the verb negligere. The oldest
positive sense of religio, as W.C. Smith summarizes
the research findings of these authorities, seems to
be simultaneously �to bind�, �to pay attention to�,
and �to reconnect�. Thus, Smith tells us the archaic
Latin and Roman meaning of religio is �to pay
attention to�, �to be bound to�, and �to re-connect
with� a numen, a numinous power outside a person
profoundly obligating them to have great scrutiny in
having certain responses, attitudes and actions toward
it and religio is also the feelings, dispositions,
conative and cognitive responses, and actions in a
person arising from this contact with a numen, a
numinous power that is a overwhelmingly awe-inspiring
mystery (mysterium tremendum) displaying an awesome
superiority of uncanny power and dignity (majestas)
which irresistibly attracts and fascinates (mysterium
fascinans). W.C. Smith explains that for the ancient
Romans

The early phrase religio mihi est is illuminating. To
say that such-and-such a thing was religio for me
meant that it was mightily incumbent upon me to do
it.(Smith, 20)

W.C. Smith informs us that, in contrast to the Greeks
with their eye for form, especially for the Romans,

Ritual ceremonies themselves were designated
religiones. This is � to be related to a Roman
tendency to perceive what we would call the divine or
the holy not so much�in the form of a figure or �god�
as in a series of standardized acts. Whenever one
meets the word�this is what is meant. The religio of a
specified god designates the traditional cultic
pattern at his shrine. (Smith, 20-21)

Smith�s comments concur with and confirm the
observations made by the great scholar of Roman
religion, Franz Altheim, who wrote

The numen for the Roman is expressed not in the figure
but in a succession of acts in which it encounters
man.(Altheim, 181)

Incidentally, this reason is partly why, legally, the
statues and temples of Roman religion (as
interpretatio graeca) had a lower legal civil status
than the higher public Roman ritual, and thus, why
strictly speaking, in terms of ius sacrum, the highest
Roman religion always remained right up to the time it
was made illegal an imageless and outside fire cult
where all sacrifices were made outside and in front of
the temple just like its Vedic cousin.

Besides being a state of re-connection with a numinous
power that obligates a person to attend to it with
great scrutiny, religio as a state of being bound to a
god�s claims upon a person is brought out by the
following Roman text.

Hoc uniculo pietatis obstricti deo et religati sumus.
Nimirum religio veri cultus est, superstitio falsi et
omnino quid cloas interest, non que mad modem colas.
Diximus nomen religionis a uinculo pietatis esse
deductum, quod hominem sibi deus religaverit et
pietate constrinxerit.(Smith, )

As indicated earlier, the conceptual relation of
religio to pietas is semantically and structurally
similar to the relation between fas and ius. Pius,
pietas, piare, piaculum, and expiare, as part of Roman
religious terminology is quite ancient (Dumezil, ).
This very early religious use is also attested by its
religious usage in other Italic languages such as
Volscian pihou (ibid., 132). Dumezil draws out the
similarity in relation that exists between religio and
pietas to that borne between fas and ius. In relation
to religio, he observes,

the connotation of pius is allied to ius rather than
to fas but with a moral rather than a juridical
coloration. Pietas consists in conformity with normal,
traditional, indisputable relationships�which exist
reciprocally between people�or without reciprocity,
between the individual and that which is superior to
him � his country, the gods, and finally
humanity.(ibid. 132-133)

It is partly due to this proximity of pius and pietas
to ius in the relation pietas has to religio (as ius
has to fas) that I used pietas in my prior legal
outline of Roman religion.


Altheim, F. A History of Roman Religion.
Dumezil, G. Archaic Roman Religion. 2 vols. Johns
Hopkins University.

Fowler, W.W. �The Latin History of the Word
�Religio��, Transactions of the third International
Congress for History of Religions, 2 vols. Oxford.

Kobbert M. De verborum religio atque religious usa
apud Romanos quaetiones selectae. Konigsberg.

Koch, C. Religio.

Otto, W. �Religio,� Archiv f�r Religionswissenschaft.
12: 533-554.


Aulus Sempronius Regulus

Libertas inaestimabilis res est. - Corpus Iuris Civilis
Aequam memento rebus in arduis servare mentem. - Horace

MMDCCLVIII Anno urbis conditae (AUC)



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34609 From: Aulus Sempronius Regulus Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: Ritual Parallels: Roman and Vedic
Salvete!

So as to not take up redundant space on the main list,
I will be posting a series on the liturgical parallels
between Roman and Vedic rituals on the two NR Roman
religion lists.


Aulus Sempronius Regulus

Libertas inaestimabilis res est. - Corpus Iuris Civilis
Aequam memento rebus in arduis servare mentem. - Horace

MMDCCLVIII Anno urbis conditae (AUC)



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34610 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Certamen Historicum SOLUTIONS - No1+2 (and Temp
SOLUTIONS No1+2 and TEMPORARY CLASSIFICATION for the
Historical Contest

CN CORNELIUS LENTULUS QUIRITIBUS SPD:


Here follow the correct answers for the 1st and 2nd
questions of our Certamen.


I. THE SOLUTIONS No1+2

The first one:

QUAESTIO N°1 - The full name of Magna Mater was ’Mater
Deum Magna IdaeaÂ’ but often called also just Â’Mater
IdaeaÂ’. What is the source of Her epithet Â’IdaeaÂ’?

RESPONSUM N°1 - Cybele, the Great Mother Goddess was
supposed to have been born on Mount Ida in Phrygia;
this is the source of her epithet Â’IdaeaÂ’.

The second one:

QUAESTIO N°2 - Who was the king of Asia Minor who
handed Magna Mater to Rome?

RESPONSUM N°2 – It was King Attalus who handed the
ritual black stone of Cybele to the romans.



II. TEMPORARY CLASSIFICATION
(The rules of Certamen Historicum:
http://www.cohorssullana.grafosystem.ro/rules.htm)

Last year the winner was C.Ianus Flaminius; the second
best was Cn.Equitius Marinus. Now there is Marinus in
the race again!! And has good chance to return match
and to be the best! But for the present 4 studious
history-lovers are top our list:

1. Flavia Tullia Valeria Scholastica 4 pts
1. Iulilla Sempronia Magna 4 pts
1. Marca Hortensia Maior 4 pts
1. P. Memmius Albucius 4 pts

2. Cn. Equitius Marinus 3 pts

3. C. Equitius Cato 2 pts
3. Iulia Cybele 2 pts


Come on, let's go, Nova Romans! The racing starts just
now!!!


VALETE QVAM OPTIME!
Happy Megalesia-Days!

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
Scriba Ludorum - Aed. L. Iulii Sullae
Undecimvir ad Diploma Sodalitatis Latinitatis Retractandum
Propraetor Pannoniae




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34611 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Historical Contest - No3
YOU CAN START sending answers anytime!!
You can begin NOW!!!

CN CORNELIVS LENTVLVS QVIRITIBVS SALVTEM DICIT:
Avete, Quirites, in the name of Aedilis L. Iulius!

This is a Historical Contest not only for historians
but also for everyone who loves Roman history! It's
not important if you haven't done yesterday: you can
begin now!


And here follows the 3RD question for our Certamen
Historicum:

An introduction:

The Senate delegated commissioners so that they ask
King Attalus to hand Magna Mater to Rome and...:
Â’On their way to Asia the commissioners landed at
Delphi, and at once went to consult the oracle and
ascertain what hopes it held out to them and their
country of accomplishing their task. The response
which they are said to have received was that they
would attain their object through King Attalus and
when they had conveyed the goddess to Rome they were
to take care that the best and noblest men in Rome
should accord her a fitting reception. (Livy, 29. 11)Â’

QUAESTIO N°3 – So the Senate had to decide who was the
best and noblest man in the State. Every one felt that
to gain this distinction would be for him a real
victory, far outweighing any official position or
honourable distinction which either Romans could
confer. Who was judged as Â’The Best And Noblest Man In
RomeÂ’ by the Senate; so who was honoured to receive
Magna Mater arriving at Rome in 204 BC?



It's not important if you haven't done yesterday: you
can begin now!!! We are waiting for you answers, and
remember that you have just to write at the following
email:
cnaeus_cornelius@...

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Happy Megalesia-Days!

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34612 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Venationes
AVETE CIVES NOVAROMANI !

Today in the honour of Magna Mater : VENATIONES.

"Quare magna deum mater materque ferarum et nostri genetrix haec dicta est corporis una. Hanc veteres Graium docti cecinere poetae sedibus in curru biiugos agitare leones, aeris in spatio magnam pendere docentes tellurem neque posse in terra sistere terram."
-Titus Lucretius Caro, De Rerum Natura.
......................................................................................................................................

April 5th. Morning. The sun shines. The houses are empty. Groups and groups of people are going to the Circus Maximus.

Slaves, liberts, honourable citizens and magistrates. Senators with lictors !

Pedlars and merchants, to sell ...to buy...

New togas. Particularly, Constantinus Fuscus. Hairdos, and new clothes after the last fashion from Villa Julilla.

Wine. Rivers of wine. Falern, how the Senior Aedilis promised! Slibowitz for Flavius Fides.

New magistrates ! Equitius Marinus and Equitius Cato with a new and probably expensive lectica. Cato offers everybody the new roman calendars. Perusianus pictures of the Urbs.

Salve Pompeia and Hortensia Maior ! Finnica with her new born, and after them, Saturninus with the Thule's Academici. Lanius Paulinus who had returned from a long mission, at 1000 miles far away from home, is going to say his greatings to Finnica for her youngster�

Quintilianus with all his scribes from Officinas.

New Senators ! With a new enthusiasm. They give money to the poors.

Everyone at his place in stands.

Galerius Paulinus with the muses, Audens and Sodalitas Militaria offer, " The Pilum". I want two, say someone !

Cassius Iulianus with SPQR flag and Patricia Cassia who is wondering about the Ludi: how much would they cost to the Aedilis Sulla?!

Minervalis carefully with the donations, and Calvus who wants to upload all.

Apollonius Cordus and Fabia Livia smiles to friends. And Albucius is here. Look to Faustus ! What a green-yellow toga. Somewhere, Q. Sertorius offers a lot of links.

From Hispania came everybody. A lot from legions. Veterans, triarii and young velites.

Gnaeus Caesar with Caesar Cornelianus.

Serapio with Petronius speaking about Certamen and Conventus. Apulus Caesar with Dreamweawer and Octavius Germanicus with Linux. Salvete, amici !

Women warriors in the British legions. Gens and domus. And a lot of olives branches. Look, the praetorians !

Old citizens, new citizens. Assidui probationary citizens ?

Old provinces, new provinces. The last, a little concerned.

Quiet ! We have a lot before next elections. Nostalgics and modernists. But who cares ?

We are at Ludi Megalenses! Today everyone must be happy !

The consuls come. The cornicens blow. Senior Aedilis Sulla makes a sign: now the Venationes may start !

The sand of the arena is clean.The people are waiting eagerly the figths. The gates are open and the first fight begins. Tenax, Retiarius, sponsored by hon. Iulius Perusianus against a ferocious and hunger tiger, Scylla, property of hon. Equitius Cato. Tenax is faceing Scylla. With little steps, he's looking and observing his enemy. Scylla reveals his sharpened fangs and is looking after a good and flashing attack. Boths are attacking with hardness. Tenax tries to shirk, but he hasn't any chance. Scylla is over Tenax. And Tenax is trying to escape but he can't. O ! Close your eyes. What a short fight ! And what a tragic final for Tenax ! Nobody's understanding what is realy happening, but the winner is the tiger Scylla.

The slaves are cleaning up the arena for the second fight.The gates are opened again and two tigers come. Alice, property of the same hon. Iulius Perusianus and Alf, a great white tiger from Sarmatian's deep forests, property of Iulius Crassus. An equilibrate fight between two wild animals with the same aggressivity. In the middle of the arena in a cage, a beautiful tigress, is the gift for the winner. When the two tigers have seen the tigress, animal instincts are breakeing loose. The fangs and claws are all around. Blood drops stain the sand. The fight are very powerful and people are beting for little amounts.In advantage is Alice, accustomised with the heat, but Alf is stronger.And yes. That is a reality because Alice started to retrait. Perusianus call for something, but... nobody answer. Alice is gravely wounded and he awaits near the arena's wall. Alf is the master. He's going to the cage. The tigress is his trophy.

A lot of comments about the two fights. All are waiting the next fight. Raptus a wonderful leopard of Consul Apulus Caesar against a big bear from Finland, Ursus Fenicus, property of Curius Saturninus. Both wild animals have different soft sigles who betray the owners preoccupations painted on their fur.Ursus Finicus stands up and begins to stir his enormous paws. Raptus easyly slides arround, trying to calculate his attack. The bear turns arround heavily. But don't subestimate his power. Raptor attacks with all his force. He has the flexibility advantage. The leopard is trying to catch the bear under the neck, but the bear takes the leopard into the arms. danger ! He can mortal press the tiger.Raptus with a supreme efort is crouching and release himself from the Ursus paws. Raptus attacks again and he takes the bear from the...I'm sorry, I can't say. Ursus Finicus runs away. The winner is Raptus. Who's beting well, takes the money. Who's losing acused their wife.
The next fight.
Hungry and badly put out, because in the last time he liveed in the tabularium, the lion Charybdus comes. Owner, Equitius Cato. After him a little concerned and confused by the audience ovations, Wargi, a wild boar from the Carpathians forests. Owner : Iulius Crassus
Wargi is looking at the lion and doesn't understand what is happening. For him the lion doesn't seems like a bull-fighter. He runs around the arena's wall for publicity. Sensitives, the onlookers reward him with vegetables and bread and with the traditional : Go to fight !
Charybdis in the middle of arena want to call his noble stand but with the tabularium influences he can't say REX. Just LEX. The wild boar is stopped. He stroke the earth and is attacking the lion. Charybdis avoid to the wild boar. What abillitys ! The wild boar attack and attack ceaselessly. The lion only run. If we remember he isn't a good hunter. The lioness is. At one moment, with all his agility he was hurt. And he limps. Something unavoidable is happening. At the next attack Wargi hit his target. The lion falls down. Quat erat demonstrandum ! Someone is beyond the laws. Guess, who ?
An interval for the audience. Another bottles of wine. Senators discussions. Slaves are moving to right and to left with vegetables, fruits and bread. The time is passing. The second part is coming. In semifinals Scylla against Alf. The both hungered. Again sharpen fangs and sharpen paws. With the same abillities the fight is equilibrate. And now they are tired. What can do Scylla without Charybdis ? Only Ulisses know. Scylla trys to resign oneself. But when Equitius Cato call him he stands up. He has no chance but the heroes die face to face with the enemy. Alf is the winner. Crassus very happy give a lot of money to the poors. The second semifinals is between Raptus the Apulus Caesar's leopard and Wargi the boar of Crassus. With courage the wild boar have the same tactics. But the fight against the leopard isn't easy. Raptus is faster and he can jump up to the boar. Wargi trys to attack with a decisive strike but he only prick the air. He is ready for the final attack. But he's
wrong. Wargi come very fast and stops in the wall of the arena. Now he's dizzy. Piece of cake for Raptus.Wargi is full down, and Raptus is happy. Now he wants to eat. In stands Crassus is furious because he lost a lot of money. The Apulus Caesar's is to final.
And now, Cives NovaRomani the great final ! The cornicens blow. Iulius Sulla is standing up and greetings the audience. Ovation after ovation.
Alf the white tiger against Raptus the leopard. One of Iulius Crassus and the second of Apulus Caesar.
A deep quiet is spred around the stands. The fight begins.
The two animals attack simultaneously. A tigress under the arena is roaring frightful. All the storys in the history are the same. When Alf want to answer to the tigress with the last forces Raptus catch him from the thron. Alf can't escape. The raptus sharpen fangs shorten his life. Nobody belive that, but it's true. Raptus is the winner in Ludi Megalenses Venationes. He awaits for a long time a good fare. Or after that maybe Apulus Caesar has a surprise for him. But this one only Apulus Caesar knows.

THE WINNER : Raptus
OWNER : Franciscus Apulus Caesar.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34613 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Munera Gladiatoria - quarters
AVETE NOVAROMANI !



Today the Circus Maximus offers one of the most spectacular competitions: Munera Gladiatoria quarters. Man vs man, sword vs sword and ability vs ability.

Only one shall be the winner. He shall be one of heroes of the Megalesia.



Let�s get it started.



Sposorized by hon.Triarius, Superstes, a Secutor, enter the arena for battle with Tenax, a Retiarius, who are sponsorized by hon. Iulius Perusianus. All of them are heading the crowd take a bow and then salute.

The crowd is cheering them. The gladiators wait for the beginning signal. And this one is coming right now.

Tenax attacks first. His trident strikes hard on Superstes shield. With the trident Tenax keeps a distance between him and Superstes. Superstes trys to get closer and closer but it is difficult for him. He has got a short sword. His only chance is to avoid the trident and find a way to close combat for his strike. But there is also dangerous: the Retiarus� net.

The sound of metal shakes the ground harder and harder. The dust is rising from the arena. Broken bodies and killing looks. Secutor tryes to catch the trident between his body and his shield but hurts himself trying. The blood sharps the spirits. Somebody must be mistakeing here. And that one is Tenax. He throws the net over Superstes. This one strafes and quickly move towards Tenax hurting him badly. Tenax is shakeing and falls back. He falls down in his knees. He can�t continue. Superstes is getting closer for the final hit. He looks to the audience and waits the decision. The noble Roman people worships the bravery and Tenax showed it. His life is spared. Superstes is the winner !



The second fight of the day is between Bestius, a Retiarius of the same hon. Triarius and Memius Rododactilos, a Thraex, trained at the renowned school of the hon. Praetor Faustus.
The name of Faustus gladiator are famous in the Circus Maximus, just because factually it takes time to pronounce.
The gladiators salute the spectators and are recompensed by ovations. The tactic of a Retiarius is known since last fight. Now the spectators have their eyes fixed on the Thraex. This one flutters his bent sword. The signal is given. The fight begins.
At first sight it doesn't look different from the previous one. The same doggedness and desire to show their ability. But this day is not a lucky one for the trident bearer. He is not able to exploit the advantage of distance. Youthfulness also weights in.
In this situation it is an handicap. Bestius self confidently hastens but miscalculates. On the contrary Memius proves his maturity. He defends himself progressively, and also adopts a defensive tactic. He makes it on purpose, to attract Bestius in a trap. Bestius is tricked and attacks more and more with fury. He doesn't realize why the fight goes on and on and he obtains nothing. The unavoidable happens.
He thrusts the trident and throws his net. He fails his goal. Memius as quick as lightening attacks and in a moment has his dagger at Bestius' throat . He cannot help but wait powerless. Youth and courage have been aways rewarded. The spectators offer him life. Winner, Memius Rododactilus, salutes the public and exits the arena.

The third battle is about to begin. The spectators'expectances are high. The best justification for the bets that have been made would be a demonstration above what the public expected. Two gladiators Murmillio enter the arena.the first one Perspicax,trained at the well known Perugiana School, the property of hon. Iulius Persianus, and the second one,Ftatius Achilean owned by Preator Faustus. The same type of gladiators, identic weapons and similar techniques. This means that it is going to be an interesting confrontation and more than that a classical one. The gladiators salute one another following the ceremonial and prepare for the battle. After the signal is given the battle begins. The attack is fast. They heavily hit against one another,and then retreat just to attack again more agresively. The sand in the arena is scattered around them. Their bodies are covered by insignificant bleeding wounds. The confrontation seems to last more than anyone expected. None of them appears to
be in advantage, but both make the proof of their qualities.The public enjoys the confrontation. The gladiators are showing signs of tiredness. As an apreciation of their gladiatorial skills Iulius Sulla ends the fight.The public decides: equality.


He who said that the women lack the courage was wrong. The fourth fight proves that.

Magister Valencianus, a Dimacherus, property of the Consul Apulus Caesar against a beautiful gladiatrix with the legendary name Achillea, a Retiara, trained in the Hibernias Mountains, and sponsored by Hortensia Maior. The audience is calling her name.

Magister Valencianus is saluting with those two swords. Achillea raises her trident.

Start signal and the fight begin. Encouraged by the crowd, Achillea strikes hard. If we observe her fighting position she�s trying to use the net. But magister Valencianus is very hard to be tricked. His swords form a windmill. It is very difficult to fight the trident without a shield. Short time after that he�s wounded. In the crowd ovations Achillea attacks with determination. With her trident she manages to tear one of his swords. Inspired and taking advantage of the Valencianus inattention she throws the net. This one covers him without giving him a chance of escape. Achillea takes the dagger for the final hit but master Valencianus wasn�t a coward and the audience spares him.



The last fight of the day is being showed between Hipolita, Achillea�s friend and master Webmaster, a well known gladiator from Thule. Belonging the Curius Saturninus Domus. Again is a fight between two identical gladiators, Retiarus. Both of them are heading to the middle of the arena and salute the audience as the ritual says. Hipolita as well is ovationed by the public and that gives her courage. Younger than her predecessor she is inpatient. And that in the situation that she has in her front a more experienced enemy and well known one for the cold blood he stands for. Master Webmaster makes few moves but all of them are precisely. Hipolita is attacking furious and does nothing but waste her energy. The metal sound of tridents is heard continuously. In the mean time they are hitting each other with the nets making of them painful weapons. Master Webmaster throws away Hipolita�s trident. This one doesn�t seem to be impressed and attacks with the dagger. Webmaster throws his
trident that is not a weapon for close combat and attacks with the dagger too. The nets that are wrapped around their hands are like shields. But the force has a word to say. Hipolita�s hits are loosing there intensity and Webmaster�s are growing stronger and attacks quicker. The result is predictable. With a strafe perfectly executed the gladiator gets rid of Hipolita�s hit and manage to immobilize her. He looks at the public and waits the decision. Astonished by her bravery and skills the crowd spares Hipolita�s life.



Tommorow the semifinals !



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34614 From: C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: EDICTVM·PROPRÆTORICIVM·XIX (A C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS I)
EDICTVM·PROPRÆTORICIVM·XIX (A C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS I)

CAIVS·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS·PROPRÆTOR·BRASILIÆ·OMNIBVS·CIVIBUS·S·P·D

By this edictum, and using my Imperium (given to my by Senatus e
Populusque Romanum), I decide:

i) I mantein, for the time of my magistracy, all the edictum of my
predecessor, except that concerned to me;

ii) All the people who my predecessor have nomeated, must return to
their colocations.

If anyone don't want to stay in their colocation, please informe me
in 24 hours.

DATVM·SVB·MANV·MEA·NONIS·APRILIBUS·MMDCCLVIII·A·V·C
FR·APULE·CÆSARI·C·POPILIO·LÆNÆ·CONSVLIBVS

C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS
PROPRÆTOR BRASILIÆ

P.S.: Please, sorry my bad english!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34615 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALENSES - Venationes
G. Equitius Cato quirites S.P.D.

Salvete omnes!

Zoinks! What fights! Congratulations to the Honorable Fr. Apulus
Caesar and his confounded leopard, Raptus. My poor animals will be
remembered in song, though :-)

Sorry about Tenax your Retiarius, Iulius Perusianus. But a tiger's
gotta eat!

I look forward to the next ludi!

Valete bene,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34616 From: FAC Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALENSES - Venationes
salvete Omnes,
excellent!
My wonderful african leopard, the sweet Raptus, will have a big piece
of meat tonight.

Now I'll wait for the first results of the Ludi Circenses hoping that
Russata will win.

Thank you very much to Aedile Iulius SUlla and his staff for this
wonderful beginning of Ludi, the best way to honour the Magna Mater.

Valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Consul
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34617 From: Lucia Cassia Silvana Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALENSES - Munera Gladiatoria - quarters
May I be allowed to say "Brava Maior! Brava Achillea!" :)


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, iulius sabinus <iulius_sabinus@y...>
wrote:
> He who said that the women lack the courage was wrong. The fourth
>fight proves that.
> Magister Valencianus, a Dimacherus, property of the Consul Apulus
>Caesar against a beautiful gladiatrix with the legendary name
>Achillea, a Retiara, trained in the Hibernias Mountains, and sponsored
>by Hortensia Maior. The audience is calling her name.
>In the crowd ovations Achillea attacks with determination. With her
>trident she manages to tear one of his swords. Inspired and taking
>advantage of the Valencianus inattention she throws the net. This one
>covers him without giving him a chance of escape. Achillea takes the
>dagger for the final hit but master Valencianus wasn't a coward and
>the audience spares him.]
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34618 From: Luc Johnston Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: How do you say..
Beatus exsisto!
I am currently learning Latin and follow the Religio, so I was
wondering how you say, 'the greatest empire', and how to say 'good
priests' thanks for all your help.
Pacis,
Luc
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34619 From: Flavia Scholastica Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: Re: How do you say..
Salve, Luci, et salvete, omnes!


> Beatus exsisto!
> I am currently learning Latin and follow the Religio, so I was
> wondering how you say, 'the greatest empire',

"Imperium maximum," though other adjectives will work, depending on the
exact sense--physical size, etc.

> and how to say 'good
> priests'

"Sacerdotes boni/probi." "Probus" carries the sense of morally good as
well.

>thanks for all your help.
> Pacis,
> Luc
>
You're welcome! Have you considered joining us at the Sodalitas
Latinitas, or the New Roman Religion board?

Vale, et valete,

Flavia Tullia Scholastica
Scriba Latinitati Censoris Gnaei Equiti Marini
Latinista et Hellenista Sodalitatis Musarum
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34620 From: Maior Date: 2005-04-05
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALENSES - Munera Gladiatoria - quarters
Ave;
Achillea and Hippolyta are indeed historical gladiatrices who lived
and fought bravely! So you are truly honouring their spirits.
optime vale
Marca Hortensia Maior
>
> May I be allowed to say "Brava Maior! Brava Achillea!" :)
>
>
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34621 From: Diana Aventina Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: Academia Course: Rituals of the Religio Romana
To the female Tribune,

<by the by are you still
> sacerdos Veneris? Didn't you say during elections
> you were an
> agnostic.

1)Aren't you a Jewish-Buddhist-Pagan?
2) Keep your nose out of my spiritual business.
Neither have I asked you, nor was that the question in
my email to Salix (which he answered).
3) Stop minding other people's business and learn how
to be a Tribune. You've made a fool out of yourself
quite a few times this year.

Diana Octavia



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34622 From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Salve;

What you say is surely true, and I do not question that John Paul II was a
great man. However, to some Catholics he is not so revered. There is a very
conservative movement within Catholicism that opposes the reforms of the
Second Vatican Council, and wishes to return to the Tridentine Mass promulgated
(in perpetuity) by St. Pius V. The objection of these Catholics to John Paul
II is that he had further promoted the reforms of Vatican II and in the
process of doing so further alienated these Catholics who refuse to accept the
liturgical changes brought about by Vatican II.

He was a worldly Pope, in that he traveled the world. He was very concerned
for the social welfare of many people. However, I think traditional
Catholics would have appreciated a dose of social justice of their own -- which to
my knowledge they never received. John Paul II promoted the liturgical errors
of Paul VI. This is one reason there has not been more ecumenical work
between Catholics and Orthodox. The Orthodox have retained the beautiful liturgy
of St. John Chrysostom (and St. Basil) while the Roman Church used to have
the beautiful Tridentine Liturgy they replaced it with the Novus Ordo Missae
which is a terrible example of Catholic liturgical custom (at least in my
opinion).

So while I do think John Paul II was a great man, I also think he fell short
in upholding the rich Roman liturgical heritage. The reforms of the Second
Vatican Council has done more to protestanize the Catholic Church than it has
to foster the Sensus Catholicus.

Vale;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 4/4/2005 7:13:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
violetphearsen@... writes:

Salve, Gaius Modius Athanasius

If only it were so, that all who have occupied the Chair of St. Peter were
"giants among men," but Catholics know that this is far from the truth, which
makes the passing away of His Holiness, John Paul II, even more difficult to
bear.
I was once a devout Catholic and most of my family and friends still are,
but we all know that few popes can compare with Pope John Paul II. He was not
only a giant among men, but an exceptional pope. He was a wise and holy man, a
brilliant scholar and his accomplishments leave those of most popes far
behind. Even members of other religions loved him, or, at least, held him in high
regard. I can think of no other pope that was ever held in such high esteem
by non-Catholics. Even atheists have come forth to say good things about him!
The truth is some popes were good, some were only half-way decent, and some
were a disgrace to the title they bore. The Borgia and Medici Popes were so
horrid, their collective papacies brought about the Protestant Reformation.
There were several bad popes during the Middle Ages who, among other terrible
things, sold cardinalships to raise money for their armies, making even
teenagers cardinals! Alexander VI even ran brothels and was openly refered to as a
"pimp" in public. Some popes lived in open violation of their vows of
celibacy. And then there were the Antipopes, but that's a whole another can of
worms......
And Pope Pius XII has been accused of anti-semitism. There is little doubt
now that he did not do all he could have done, and had the power to do, to
help many Jews escape the terrors the Nazis inflicted on them. In fact, he
chastised the priests and nuns who did help them. Hardly a good example.
Fortunately, none of the bad popes enacted bad teachings. According to the
Bible ( Matt. 16:19, 23 ), Christ promised to protect the Church against
erroneous teachings, not corrupt men. It is remarkable to note that no other
institution has survived so much internal corruption over such lengthy periods of
time and still be in existence today.
Now, some popes were exceptional and 78 have been canonized, with nine
having the title of Blessed, which is one step away from being declared saints.
But there has never been a pope like Pope John Paul II. No one can dispute
that. No even this ex-Catholic.
For the sake of Catholics everywhere, I hope the next pope will be a good
one, but to put upon him the pressure of trying to be another John Paul II
would be terribly unfair, unkind and not very realistic.

Vale

Maxima Valeria Messallina





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34623 From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Edictum Propraetoricium XXVIII - Gallia
About the numbering of all Edicta:

In order to keep the history of the administration of Gallia, a new numbering is applied
to all Edicta taken by all the Governors to date from the 02 July 2755 (all records are
missing before this date).

In the following table, DOA means Diana Moravia Aventina, LRM Lucius Rutilius Minervalis
and SAS Sextus Apollonius Scipio. The date is the official release date of the concerned
Edictum.

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A propos de la num�rotation des Edicta:

Afin de conserver l'historique de l'administration de Gallia, une nouvelle num�rotation
est appliqu�e � tous les Edicta promulgu�s par tous les gouverneurs � partir du 02
Juillet 2755 (il n'y a pas d'historique avant cette date).

Dans la table suivante, DOA signifie Diana Moravia Aventina, LRM Lucius Rutilius
Minervalis and SAS Sextus Apollonius Scipio. La date est celle de la promulgation de
l'Edictum concern�.

Edictum Propraetoricium I SAS Appointment of Scriba Propraetoris 02/08/2755
Edictum Propraetoricium II SAS Appointment of Scriba Propraetoris 13/08/2755
Edictum Propraetoricium III SAS Structure of the Provincial web site of Provincia Gallia
14/08/2755
Edictum Propraetoricium IV SAS Forum Galliae and the Discussion List 15/08/2755
Edictum Propraetoricium V SAS Gallia participation to the project Temple of Magna Mater
16/08/2755
Edictum Propraetoricium VI SAS Management and publication of Apollonia Acta 16/08/2755
Edictum Propraetoricium VII SAS Definition and the management Bibliotheca Apollonia
13/07/2756
Edictum Propraetoricium VIII SAS Appointment of the Curator Bibliothecae Apolloniae
13/07/2756
Edictum Propraetoricium IX DOA Appointment of Scriba Propraetoris 13/03/2757
Edictum Propraetoricium X DOA Appointment of Scribae Propraetoris 20/03/2757
Edictum Propraetoricium XI LRM Definition of the three Regiones in Gallia and structure
10/07/2757
Edictum Propraetoricium XII LRM Appointment of Legatus 10/07/2757
Edictum Propraetoricium XIII LRM Decription of the administration of Gallia 11/07/2757
Edictum Propraetoricium XIV LRM Appointment of Praefectii 18/07/2757
Edictum Propraetoricium XV LRM Creation of the Curia Interpretum 03/08/2757
Edictum Propraetoricium XVI LRM Appointment of Scribae Propraetoris 04/08/2757
Edictum Propraetoricium XVII LRM Duties names in Latin 10/08/2757
Edictum Propraetoricium XVIII LRM Official web sites of Gallia 11/08/2757
Edictum Propraetoricium XIX LRM Appointment of Scribae Propraetoris Curiae Interpretae
15/08/2757
Edictum Propraetoricium XX LRM Appointment of Legatus 03/10/2757
Edictum Propraetoricium XXI LRM Subdivisions of Gallia 28/11/2757
Edictum Propraetoricium XXII LRM Dismissal of Legatus 28/11/2757
Edictum Propraetoricium XXIII LRM Appointment of Legatus 05/01/2758
Edictum Propraetoricium XXIV LRM Organisation of the Religio in Gallia 29/01/2758
Edictum Propraetoricium XXV LRM Appointment of Flamen Primus 29/01/2758
Edictum Propraetoricium XXVI LRM Suspension of Flaminis Primi Decreta 05/02/2758
Edictum Propraetoricium XXVII SAS Management of Edicta 05/04/2758
Edictum Propraetoricium XXVIII SAS Numbering of Edicta 06/04/2758

Given in Lutetia April the 6, Year 2005 of the current Era, in the year of the
consulship of Franciscus Apulus Caesar and Gaius Popillius Laenas



Sextus Apollonius Scipio

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34624 From: C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Retification of Oath
Aplying the LEX IUNIA DE IUSIURANDO, I correct my oath!

Ego, Caius Arminius Reccanellus, hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae me
defensurum, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturum esse
sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Caius Arminius Reccanellus, officio Propraetoris Provinciae
Brasiliae Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae
vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica
privataque vita me persecuturum esse IVRO.

Ego, Caius Arminius Reccanellus, Religioni Romanae me fauturum et eam
defensurum, et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturum esse,
ne quid detrimenti capiat IVRO.

Ego, Caius Arminius Reccanellus officiis muneris Propraetoris
Provinciae Brasiliae me quam optime functurum esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Propraetoris Provinciae
Brasiliae una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et officiis
comitantibus ACCIPIO.

IN·BRASILIA·PROVINCIA·DATVM·SVB·MANV·MEA·ANTE·DIEM·VIII·IDUS·APRILIS·M
MDCCLVIII·A·V·C
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34625 From: Peter Bird Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: How do you say..
imperium maximum & boni sacerdotes

Pax omnibus!



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Sent: 06 April 2005 01:43
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] How do you say..




Beatus exsisto!
I am currently learning Latin and follow the Religio, so I was
wondering how you say, 'the greatest empire', and how to say 'good
priests' thanks for all your help.
Pacis,
Luc






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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34626 From: Peter Bird Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
I could not agree more wholeheartedly. It was Paul VI who brought in the
majority of the liturgical reforms (with a committee containing several
Anglicans to advise them). It was intended to make the liturgy more
'relevant' to contemporary youth and thus attract more to church. It has had
no such effect: in fact, fewer and fewer young people attend church now. The
guitar in many places (strumming tuneless, slow and mediocre 'worship
songs') has replaced the grandeur of the organ. It was Cardinal Newman who
said that the Mass should be a "foretaste of heaven" and the sanctuary the
place where heaven meets earth. Now we have a cheerful talk and singsong
session in place of the beauty of the old rite. The beauty has departed, the
language is commonplace and trite, and all those aesthetic elements which
helped to raise the people's minds and souls above earthly banality - the
music, colours, sights, smells - have disappeared along with the sanctity
and gravitas. However, it must be said that the late pope did grant an
'indult' allowing those who wished to attend the Tridentine rite to do so.
The problem though is that few priests today are familiar with Latin and
there are only a few places here in the UK where one is able to attend -
usually a long way away. What is worse, of course, is that the theology of
the liturgy has been diluted with the rite.

Peter



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Sent: 06 April 2005 12:42
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Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus




Salve;

What you say is surely true, and I do not question that John Paul II was a
great man. However, to some Catholics he is not so revered. There is a
very
conservative movement within Catholicism that opposes the reforms of the
Second Vatican Council, and wishes to return to the Tridentine Mass
promulgated
(in perpetuity) by St. Pius V. The objection of these Catholics to John
Paul
II is that he had further promoted the reforms of Vatican II and in the
process of doing so further alienated these Catholics who refuse to accept
the
liturgical changes brought about by Vatican II.

He was a worldly Pope, in that he traveled the world. He was very
concerned
for the social welfare of many people. However, I think traditional
Catholics would have appreciated a dose of social justice of their own --
which to
my knowledge they never received. John Paul II promoted the liturgical
errors
of Paul VI. This is one reason there has not been more ecumenical work
between Catholics and Orthodox. The Orthodox have retained the beautiful
liturgy
of St. John Chrysostom (and St. Basil) while the Roman Church used to have
the beautiful Tridentine Liturgy they replaced it with the Novus Ordo
Missae
which is a terrible example of Catholic liturgical custom (at least in my
opinion).

So while I do think John Paul II was a great man, I also think he fell
short
in upholding the rich Roman liturgical heritage. The reforms of the Second

Vatican Council has done more to protestanize the Catholic Church than it
has
to foster the Sensus Catholicus.

Vale;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 4/4/2005 7:13:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
violetphearsen@... writes:

Salve, Gaius Modius Athanasius

If only it were so, that all who have occupied the Chair of St. Peter were
"giants among men," but Catholics know that this is far from the truth,
which
makes the passing away of His Holiness, John Paul II, even more difficult
to
bear.
I was once a devout Catholic and most of my family and friends still are,
but we all know that few popes can compare with Pope John Paul II. He was
not
only a giant among men, but an exceptional pope. He was a wise and holy
man, a
brilliant scholar and his accomplishments leave those of most popes far
behind. Even members of other religions loved him, or, at least, held him
in high
regard. I can think of no other pope that was ever held in such high esteem

by non-Catholics. Even atheists have come forth to say good things about
him!
The truth is some popes were good, some were only half-way decent, and some

were a disgrace to the title they bore. The Borgia and Medici Popes were so

horrid, their collective papacies brought about the Protestant Reformation.

There were several bad popes during the Middle Ages who, among other
terrible
things, sold cardinalships to raise money for their armies, making even
teenagers cardinals! Alexander VI even ran brothels and was openly refered
to as a
"pimp" in public. Some popes lived in open violation of their vows of
celibacy. And then there were the Antipopes, but that's a whole another can
of
worms......
And Pope Pius XII has been accused of anti-semitism. There is little doubt
now that he did not do all he could have done, and had the power to do, to
help many Jews escape the terrors the Nazis inflicted on them. In fact, he
chastised the priests and nuns who did help them. Hardly a good example.
Fortunately, none of the bad popes enacted bad teachings. According to the
Bible ( Matt. 16:19, 23 ), Christ promised to protect the Church against
erroneous teachings, not corrupt men. It is remarkable to note that no
other
institution has survived so much internal corruption over such lengthy
periods of
time and still be in existence today.
Now, some popes were exceptional and 78 have been canonized, with nine
having the title of Blessed, which is one step away from being declared
saints.
But there has never been a pope like Pope John Paul II. No one can dispute
that. No even this ex-Catholic.
For the sake of Catholics everywhere, I hope the next pope will be a good
one, but to put upon him the pressure of trying to be another John Paul II
would be terribly unfair, unkind and not very realistic.

Vale

Maxima Valeria Messallina





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34627 From: Simon Larente Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Latin Translation
Salvete,

I am not sure if I am asking in the right list, but since I noticed that somebody else did it, I assume I could take a chance... ;)

I am having trouble with the expression "homullus felix". Should it be translated by someting like "happy little man" or "fortunate little man"? Also, is the first word spelled correctly? Shouldn't it be spelled "homulus" (only one L)?

Valete,

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34628 From: Luc Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: How do you say..
Beatus Exsisto!
Thanks for your help I really apreciate it.


Pacis ,
Luc Johnston





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34629 From: philipp.hanenberg@web.de Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: edictum primum propraetoris germaniae
Edictum primum propraetoris germaniae de pacto conventi navae romae in europa


I. Edictum censet societatem provinciae germaniae pacto conventi novae romae in europa.

II. Edictum ilico efficacem est.


Anno 2758 a.u.c. Fr. Apulo Caesare C. Popillio Laena consulibus

Marcus Flavius Philippus Conservatus
Propraeto Germaniae


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34630 From: Patrick D. Owen Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: To NR citizens living in Tennessee (& near points)
F. Galerius Aurelianus to all citizens residing in the state of
Tennessee. Salvete.

I would like to hear from any NR citizens who reside in the state of
Tennessee (and northern Alabama & sourthern Kentucky) who would like
to meet in Nashville for a meet-and-greet dinner sometime in June.
This would be an informal gathering to meet folks face to face and
share our interests in all things Roman and their hopes for Nova
Roma. I can be contacted at the following email addresses:

padruigtheuncle@...
OR
brotherpaganus@...

I would very much like a chance to get together with other Nova Romans
and I would like to issue a special invitation to any NR magistrates
to join us.

Valete.
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34631 From: Craig Jacobs Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: Latin Translation
Either translation is acceptable. Ultimately its usage in context will be the determining factor in how best to translate it into English, but even that is most often a question of preference.

Simon Larente <slarente@...> wrote:Salvete,

I am not sure if I am asking in the right list, but since I noticed that somebody else did it, I assume I could take a chance... ;)

I am having trouble with the expression "homullus felix". Should it be translated by someting like "happy little man" or "fortunate little man"? Also, is the first word spelled correctly? Shouldn't it be spelled "homulus" (only one L)?

Valete,

Gaius Velius Tutor


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34632 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: Fas: Ius; Religio: Pietas/Legal Structure Roman Religion
A. Apollonius Cordus A. Sempronio Regulo omnibusque
sal.

Thanks for that - much there that I didn't know
before.

My point about "pietas" was merely that its primary
meaning until late in Cicero's life appears to have
been concerned with relationships among human beings,
and those between human beings and the community as a
whole. There are examples of the religious meaning
before that time, but they are not very numerous, and
Cicero himself explicitly defines "pietas" as:

"quae erga patriam aut parentes aut alios sanguine
conjunctos officium conservare moneat" (Cic. de Inv.
II.22.66)

("that which admonishes us to do our duty to our
country or our parents or other blood-relations")

... and places this in contrast to "religio", which he
calls:

"quae in metu et caerimonia deorum sit" (loc. cit.)

("that which exists in fear and reverence of the
gods").

Again, in another work, he says:

"Justitia dicitur... erga deos religio, erga parentes
pietas" (Partit. Orat. 22.78)

("Righteousness towards the gods is called religio,
towards parents is called pietas").

And again,

"Justitiam cole et pietatem, quae cum magna in
parentibus et propinquis, tum in patria maxima est"
(de Re Pub. VI.16)

("Observe righteousness and pietas, which is not only
strictly due to parents and relations, but also to
one's country").

Only around 46 B.C. does he begin to use "pietas" in a
religious sense, initially qualifying it as "pietas
adversum deos" (de Fin. III.22.73), and later
explicitly defining "pietas" as "justitia adversus
deos" (Deor. Nat. I.41.116), in total contradiction to
his earlier definition.

This is a summary of an article entitled "Pietas" by
Hendrik Wagenvoort, 1924, published in a collection of
his essays also titled "Pietas", 1980.

It's possible, of course, that Cicero was simply wrong
about the meaning of the word and had a sudden
revelation of the truth around 46 B.C., but it seems
unlikely, and his earlier definitions fit well with
the evidence of usage from other sources (as far as I
know), so the most obvious explanation is that the
word simply changed its primary meaning around that
time. Wagenvoort suggests that Cicero may even have
deliberately changed the meaning himself.

But what you say about the nature of the concept later
expressed by "pietas" is no doubt quite true. It's
just a matter of the terminology.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34633 From: Maior Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: Academia Course: Rituals of the Religio Romana
M. Hortensia Maior Dianae Octaviae Aventinae salutem dicit.
Salve; the term is 'tribuna' and I merely asked as this year in
October, I believe that was the date, you did not post on the feria
of Venus Genetrix, I did.
So I had merely assumed you'd dispensed with your duties .
Please there is no reason for anger.
bene vale in pace deorum
Marca Hortensia Maior TRP

> <by the by are you still
> > sacerdos Veneris? Didn't you say during elections
> > you were an
> > agnostic.
>
> 1)Aren't you a Jewish-Buddhist-Pagan?
> 2) Keep your nose out of my spiritual business.
> Neither have I asked you, nor was that the question in
> my email to Salix (which he answered).
> 3) Stop minding other people's business and learn how
> to be a Tribune. You've made a fool out of yourself
> quite a few times this year.
>
> Diana Octavia
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34634 From: Flavia Scholastica Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: Latin Translation
Salve, Gaie Veli Tutor, salve Craig Jacobs, et salvete, quirites, socii,
peregrinique omnes!
>
> Either translation is acceptable. Ultimately its usage in context will be the
> determining factor in how best to translate it into English, but even that is
> most often a question of preference.
>
"Felix" can also mean "fertile," "auspicious," "successful, prosperous,"
and a host of similar meanings. It may be difficult for non-native speakers
of English to sort out which of these is most appropriate, especially since
the best Latin dictionary is Latin/English, and evidently has no peer in the
other languages. As you note, both "happy" and "fortunate" are acceptable
translations of "felix."

> Simon Larente <slarente@...> wrote:Salvete,
>
> I am not sure if I am asking in the right list, but since I noticed that
> somebody else did it, I assume I could take a chance... ;)
>
Usually, the best place to ask questions concerning Latin is on the
Sodalitas Latinitatis list, but several of the members, and yours truly, the
moderatrix, are also on this list, so it's a good place to start for those
unfamiliar with the Sodalitas--and a good one to point out to the ML members
that several of us are competetent Latinists, and that we do honor Latin
here. Some of us even speak and/or write Latin as well as read it.

> I am having trouble with the expression "homullus felix". Should it be
> translated by someting like "happy little man" or "fortunate little man"?
> Also, is the first word spelled correctly? Shouldn't it be spelled "homulus"
> (only one L)?
>
"Homullus" is a diminutive, which particularly in this case carries a
rather negative connotation--"mere man," "worthless or puny person," as well
as that of "human being." "-ullus" is one of several Latin diminutive
endings (-culus, -ulus, -olus, -ellus, -illus, -lus). "Homullus" is derived
from *homon+lus; the nasal is assimilated to the following liquid, so both
'ls' are necessary. Another diminutive of this "homo" is "homunculus."


> Valete,
>
> Gaius Velius Tutor
>
Vale, et valete,

Flavia Tullia Scholastica
Classicist
Scriba Latinitati Censor Gnaei Equiti Marini
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34635 From: Simon Larente Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: Latin Translation
Thanks!

As for the context, apparently, it is the name of a tabernae/inn in the Pompei area (not in the actual city, but in the area). There was a mention of this in one of the "graffitis" found in the ruins...

C V Tutor

Craig Jacobs <jacobs_43@...> wrote:


Either translation is acceptable. Ultimately its usage in context will be the determining factor in how best to translate it into English, but even that is most often a question of preference.

Simon Larente wrote:Salvete,

I am not sure if I am asking in the right list, but since I noticed that somebody else did it, I assume I could take a chance... ;)

I am having trouble with the expression "homullus felix". Should it be translated by someting like "happy little man" or "fortunate little man"? Also, is the first word spelled correctly? Shouldn't it be spelled "homulus" (only one L)?

Valete,

Gaius Velius Tutor


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34636 From: Peter Bird Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: Latin Translation
“felix” usually has the sense of ‘lucky’ or ‘fortunate’ – hence ‘happy’ – it
also has the sense of favourable, bringing good luck (Cicero/Livy).
‘Homullus’ is usually spelled with two Ls (Cicero).

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From: Simon Larente [mailto:slarente@...]
Sent: 06 April 2005 14:40
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Latin Translation



Salvete,

I am not sure if I am asking in the right list, but since I noticed that
somebody else did it, I assume I could take a chance... ;)

I am having trouble with the expression "homullus felix". Should it be
translated by someting like "happy little man" or "fortunate little man"?
Also, is the first word spelled correctly? Shouldn't it be spelled "homulus"
(only one L)?

Valete,

Gaius Velius Tutor


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34637 From: Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Off to the Eternal City
C. Minucius Hadrianus Quiritibus S.P.D.

Salvete!

Well tonight my wife and I are off to Roma! We'll be there for 4 days,
and then we'll be spending 2 days in Naples exploring Pompeii.

We'll be staying at the Hotel San Francesco in Roma (in Trastevere T
+3906 5830 0051) from 7-10 April and at the Hotel Plaza (T +39 081 563
6168) in Naples from 11-13 April (we fly home on the 13th).

If any Roman or Neopolitan Nova Romans in the vicinity would like to get
together for lunch/dinner/cappuccino etc. please give us a ring at our
hotel (don't know our room #'s yet) or drop me an e-mail at
*adrian.gunn@...* - I will try to check that e-mail daily at the
hotel.

Arrivederci!

Gaius Minucius Hadrianus et Octavia Minucia Sabina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34638 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: Off to the Eternal City
Salve C. Minuci Hadriane,

Have a safe and wonderful trip. I am sure glad you made that hotel
booking earlier; 2 - 4 million extra people in Rome this week. They
are well organized but save the architecture and language you'll
probably feel more like being in Tokyo-Yokahama!

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix
<c.minucius.hadrianus@n...> wrote:
> C. Minucius Hadrianus Quiritibus S.P.D.
>
> Salvete!
>
> Well tonight my wife and I are off to Roma! We'll be there for 4
days,
> and then we'll be spending 2 days in Naples exploring Pompeii.
>
> We'll be staying at the Hotel San Francesco in Roma (in
Trastevere T
> +3906 5830 0051) from 7-10 April and at the Hotel Plaza (T +39
081 563
> 6168) in Naples from 11-13 April (we fly home on the 13th).
>
> If any Roman or Neopolitan Nova Romans in the vicinity would like
to get
> together for lunch/dinner/cappuccino etc. please give us a ring at
our
> hotel (don't know our room #'s yet) or drop me an e-mail at
> *adrian.gunn@g...* - I will try to check that e-mail daily at the
> hotel.
>
> Arrivederci!
>
> Gaius Minucius Hadrianus et Octavia Minucia Sabina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34639 From: Salix Cantaber Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Circus Races - quarters A
Avete quirites.

Today in the honour of Magna Mater : CHARIOT'S RACES in the Circus Maximus

It's a honor for my to narrate you the events that have taken place this afternoon in the Circus.

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Quarters Round A



Finally is arrived the day of the Circus Games! The City is full with impatient followers that want fervently to see the victory of his colors and the Circus presents a complete entrance. There are some problems of public order in the entrances, but the gardians intervenes quickly to separate to some supporters of the red team and blue factions that have begun a fight. But it has been brief and of little importance since only there have been thirty wounded. that is normal in some games so concured.



It's the hour VIII and already the Aedilis Curules has made its entrance in the Circus, retarded by the long ceremonies in the Temple. They are acclaimed by the whole public because their presence is sign that the Games will begin.



The teams enter for te porta Principalis and they receive the clamor of their followers. In the first race four teams will run:



Quadriga: Vita Brevis

Aurigator: Petronius Gnipho

Factio: Albata

Dominus: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus



Quadriga: Stella Iudaeae

Auriga: Herodias

Factio: Praesina

It dominates: Marca Hortensia Maior



Quadriga: Velox Puteulanus Sors

Aurigator: Felix Celeris

Factio: Veneta

Dominus: Lucius Vitellius Triarius



Quadriga: Celer Furiousqve

Aurigator: Aristeus Atrox

Factio: Russata

Dominus: Lucius Arminius Faustus



It will begin her in brief moments and it's still time to make the last bets. The honor of presiding over the first race is for the Aedil Curul Senior, Iulius Sulla that already carries the white handkerchief to give the start order. When shaking it in the air the Circus silences containing the emotion. He throws the cloth and the noise from the doors when opening up suddenly: it's the sign so that the whole public stands up and encourage to his favorite quadriga.



Today the fortunate ones are the Blues because Velox Puteulanus Sors comes out the first one, giving an authentic lesson to the rest of participants. Stella Iudaeae pursues him that has also made a good startt, but it is pursued closely by Vita Brevis. Celer Furiousqve is the fourth, but at so little distance to her competitors that his followers can be very proud to him.



In the first turns the surprise gives it Stella Iudaeae because its aggressive conduction makes him advance to the Blue chariot in the second turn. He doesn't seem to be in a hurry and it even allows comfortably the maneuver. That irritates their followers, but it is obvious that he prefers to keep the forces of their beautiful horses for the end. However in the third turn Herodías makes an error in the turn that almost he finds difficult a horrible accident. for luck it isn't this way and it can continue in the race. Velox Puteolanus recaptures the head of the race and Vita Brevis fight for the second position with the Green quadriga. Celer Furiousqve obtained the hate of her followers because her tactics is too conservative and he continues at long distance of the head's group.



Starting from the fourth turn the public is grown impatient. They wants more aggressiveness in the ground and ithey points out it encouraging to their team and insulting the rivals. This seems to inflame the Green charioteers since a third of the spectators shows proud this coulored flags. Their reaction is impressive. Velox Puteolanus continues being the first one, but its hegemony are now questioned by Stella Iudaeae that is already only two distance cars after him. The third are Vita Brevis, but now it is threatened by Celer Furiousqve that begins to make use of a more aggressive tactics as he comes closer the end of the race.



They are two turns to conclude the race and the dispute of the victory is among the teams Green and Blue. Velox Puteolanus Sors accelerates the rhythm and they horses mark an excellent rhythm. Stella Iudaeae is the chariot that he better takes the curves, but its trajectory in the ground it should be but wide and it loses some time in hurrying after the turn. This circumstance is good Velox Puteolanus to advance him in the straight line and it unchains the happiness of they unconditional followers. After them, it is touching the conflict among Velox Puteolanus and Celer Furiousqve. The Red quadriga makes a boast of good conduction and it surpasses to the target to hardly two turns of the end, with the charioteer's great displeasure Petronius Gnipho that he loses the poise and it makes a small error that is taken advantage of by its rival.



The end of the career should be more concerned, but now the important thing is to be classified for the Semifinals and it is sensed that Félix Celeris and Herodias are coming to an agreement for not to be blocked and to avoid a fatal accident. There is not, therefore surprises in the arrival.



1º - Velox Puteulanus Sors and Félix Celeris (factio VENETA) - CLASSIFIED

2º - Stella Iudaeae and Herodias (factio PRAESINA) - CLASSIFIED



3º - Celer Furiousqve and Aristeus Atrox (factio RUSSATA)

4º - Vita Brevis and Petronius Gnipho (factio ALBATA)



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Congratulations!



Vale.

Q. Salix Cantaber Uranicus
Scriba Aedilis Ludorum.









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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34640 From: Salix Cantaber Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Circus Races - quarters B
Salvete quirites.

Second race of the day:

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Quarters Round B



After a brief rest to repair the Arena the preparations of the second race are come already. In this occasion The Editor transfer the honor of giving the start to her colleague Savius Astur, ex-consul in last year and great fond of the Games. The election on the part of Iulius Sulla is welcomed whenhis favorite factio, the Albata, not having representatives and he's considered an even citizen.



The teams make act of presence for it chariots on the Porta Principalis of the circus and while their followers acclaim them it's shouted their names so that the whole public knows them:



Quadriga: Apula

Aurigator: Magister Valencianus

Factio: Russata

Dominus: Franciscus Apulus Caesar



Quadriga: Orionis Draco

Aurigtor: Equus Magnus

Factio: Veneta

Dominus: Titus Licinius Crassus



Quadriga: Inexpugnabilis III

Aurigator: Euthymus

Factio: Praesina

Dominus: Caius Curius Saturninus



For participants' lack in the second race only will compete three quadrigae, but this doesn't remove emotion to the fight since the teams are always enemy. Everything is clever to begin and it indicates the purple banner that has just risen in the area of the satarting boxes. The President Astur gets up so that all see him, it raises the handkerchief. he waits some seconds in maximum expectation. and the low thing in beginning sign. The doors of the boxes open up and the Circus becomes a powder cloud and a deafening scream.



First to all the public's din is incredibel, especially in the section of the Red followers because it's they team the one that satart in head. It has not been a spectacular beginning, but Apula it's the quickest chariot. In second position is Inexpugnabilis III that he has made a mediocre exit but that worse it has still been the starting of Orionis Draco. e distances among the three quadrigae are considerable, but people know that they are still seven turns to the Spina and that they can occur many things.



Magister Valencianus seems to have taken the initiative and he doesn't want to be allowed to surprise for its rivals. Now he has advantage and he seeks don't lose it. Their tactics is resolved and chancy, coming closer to the wall in the metae with an incredible precision. Their italic horses are beautiful, but also rude and no cowards. It is sensational their form of taking the curves and surely right now there are spectators losing authentic fortunes in the bets to have minimized the animals of the Red team. Their owner, Apullus Caesar, keeps proud silent among so much vociferous crowd and only he thinks of being placed the pleats correctly his toga to receive the palm of his charioteer's hands, offering him the sure victory. But it is not even too much soon to dream of the glory.



The bad exit of the Green team will cost him very much to go back until the second position that would classify him. However the Greens don't despair and they trust Euthymus blindly, a great charioteer with many games in their record. He takes Inexpugnabilis III to a comfortable constant rhythm thinking of the strength of their Nordic horses. On the other hand Equus Magnus and Orionis Draco wants to secure the second position and not to wear away too much, thinking in the semifinal´s race. It shakes the reins and sample the power of their animals in the straight line, but it's not shown skillful in the curves. Will he be able to reach Apula? We are in the half race and it's still all possible one.



They remain only two of seven turns. Apula is in head of the race in a solitary effort that inflames the Green supporters. In second place it's Inexpugnabilis III whose horses accuse the excessive heat from the south lands to which aren't too much acclimatized. They run excellently in the straight line, but they lose the concentration since in the curves their furalis internus horse, the one placed in left and responsible for the effectiveness in the turns, is shown visibly nervous. Their charioteer has problems to dominate him without being left the ground. This circumstance is knowingly taken advantage by Equus Magnus that go Orionis Draco in a delirious race to advance the rival. To risk of suffering an accident gets it in the last turn! Before the astonishment of their followers that they already intone songs of victory to be classified a second Blue team.



1º - Apula and Magister Valencianus (factio RUSSATA) - CLASSIFIED

2º - Orionis Draco and Equus Magnus (factio VENETA) - CLASSIFIED



3º - Inexpugnabilis III and Euthymus (factio PRAESINA)



It's necessary to highlight an incident at the race finish in those that a groups of followers of White team that hey supported to the Greens in this occasion, has jumped to the Sand and attempted to attack Equus Magnus for what they consider an irregular behavior. It hasn't been this way and the judges attest the correction of all the charioteers. The guards have expelled them violently of the Circus since they are still races to celebrate this day.




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Vale.

Q. Salix Cantaber Uranicus
Scriba Aedilis Ludorum.




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34641 From: Salix Cantaber Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Circus Races - quarters C
Salvete quirites.

Thirth race of the day:

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Quarters Round C



The afternoon lapses placidly, the climate is pleasant and the spring is splendid. The gardens of the city are replete of flowers and the citizens that have not gotten their entrance ticket in the Circus they can enjoy a beautiful walk at least. However still there is people's multitude in the surroundings from the Circus to attentive the interior uproar to know immediately if their team wins or loses. It's known that the terraces of the nearest buildings have been rented for some exorbitant prices that the staunchest fans have paid gladly: it's says to a hundred thousand sesterces. but there is not doubt that such a quantity deserves it. The third race of the afternoon will begin in hardly some minutes. The guest to declare the exit is Bianchius Antonius, current Tribunus Plebis that takes the position in the honour box to give the signal to the three participant teams:



Quadriga: Fiamma Rossa

Aurigator: Marcus Eguvinus

Factio: Russata

Dominus: Marcus Iulius Perusianus



Quadriga: Incitatus

Aurigtor: Furius Bellator

Factio: Albata

Dominus: Lucía Cassia Silvana



Quadriga: Delecta Mea

Aurigator: Crescens

Factio: Praesina

Dominus: Julilla Sempronia Magna



Also in this occasion there are only three chariots in the sand but they are of three different colors what always guarantees the show. There are problems with the horses that are really nervous and the collaborators of the teams don't get them to be placed in the correct position. The horses of Fiamma Rossa is specially difficult of calming down for what the start is delayed until this chariot is placed in his box and it's possible to close the doors. The neighs of the animals make the public's edginess that is grown impatient to increase. The effort has been big, but it seems that everything is correct and Bianchius Antonius notices the sign of the judges's conformity. and it throws the white cloth for no more retarding the show.



The start is bad! the worst o this day. Incitatus makes happiness delirium from to White followers in spite of his mediocre gallop. Delecta Mea goes out with an incredible speed, but its road takes him toward the exterior route: Crescens is able to dominate the horses, but he has lost a time that will recover as soon as possible. In last position it is Fiamma Rossa whose start race has been a disaster. Their horses are nervous and the spectator's clamour doesn't help to calm them. The Red followers are shown indignant and they swear vengeance against the charioteer, they throw their pads to their passing and they cry for their bets that they feel evaporated... but it's still soon to complain and there's time so that the red chariot overcome. The Gods have received many offerings and is sure that they will protect the interests of who entertain them.



The first part of the race is very calm, because Incitatus takes enough advantage like to take calmly the competition. It gets a distance of almost half straight line regarding the second car, for what doesn't force their horses to the waste while it is not threatened. And it maintains a comfortable and constant rhythm. The Green team doesn't despair and its objective is always to get the victory.. Its tactics is revealed moderately aggressive because its current second position classifies him equally for the semifinals. but the hate to the Whites is so stronger and their followers demand him to pursue Incitatus and throws him outside of the race. On the other hand, the indignation go over the tiers of the red supporters. Marcus Eguvinus recovers the control of his nervous horses, but it takes a lot of disadvantage to recover them in the four turns that rest for the finish. The effort of Fiamma Rossa will have to be titanic to classified for the following game's round.



Unfortunately the bad start is a ballast that it weighs a lot in the second half of the race. Incitatus is not questioned in leadership that doesn't decrease at all. Then it's unnecessary to punish the horses and Furius Bellator he's devoted to be exhibited and to greet the public showing a total scorn for their rivals: it feels sure conquering and he still shows off as such before arriving to the goal line. On the other hand, Fiamma Rossa is having an astonishing progression. Making honor to their name their charioteer takes out all the possible power to their hefty horses even with the use of the whip, thing that its owner doesn't like it then can hurt its expensive horses. The effort begins to give some results because little by little he approaches to Delecta Mea. The Green followers see with concern like the rival comes closer dangerously and it can snatch the second position of his team.



Come closer the race's finish! Certainly it is a boring race because the victory of Incitatus is safe. Except for an accident that fervently its rivals want, but that it doesn't seem probable. Delecta Mea reacts fron the threat of Fiamma Rossa and he accelerates the gallop making useless the rival's effort. Therefore there are not surprises in a classification that has not varied in the seven turns of the competition.



1º - Incitatus and Furius Bellator (factio ALBATA) - CLASSIFIED

2º - Delecta Mea and Crescens (factio PRAESINA) - CLASSIFIED



3º - Fiamma Rossa and Marcus Eguvinus (factio RUSSATA)



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Vale.

Q. Salix Cantaber Uranicus
Scriba Aedilis Ludorum.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34642 From: Salix Cantaber Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Circus Races - quarters D
Salvete.

Tomorrow will take place a special chariot's race to dispute the two teams that will converge in the Semifinals.

It's a second opportunity for the losing ones but they will be been able to this way to complete the eight teams in the second round of the Equestrian Games in honor of Magna Mater.

Good luck to the participants!

Vale.

Q. Salix Cantaber
Scriba Aedilis Ludorum.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34643 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Call for Cultural Award !
AVETE CIVES NOVAROMANI !

The deadline to send own work is April 7th 2005 (2758 a.u.c.) at 24.00 time of Roma, by e-mail to iulius_sabinus@... with the subject "Megalesia Cultural Award". Entries posted to any Nova Roma mailing list will be disqualified.

http://www.cohorssullana.grafosystem.ro

OPTIME VALE,
IVL SABINVS





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34644 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Certamen Hist. SOLUTION - No3 (and Temporary Clas
SOLUTION No3 and TEMPORARY CLASSIFICATION for the
Historical Contest

CN CORNELIUS LENTULUS QUIRITIBUS SPD:


Here follow the correct answers for the 3rd
question of our Certamen.


I. THE SOLUTION No3

QUAESTIO N°3 – So the Senate had to decide who was the
best and noblest man in the State. Every one felt that
to gain this distinction would be for him a real
victory, far outweighing any official position or
honourable distinction which either Romans could
confer. Who was judged as Â’The Best And Noblest Man In
RomeÂ’ by the Senate; so who was honoured to receive
Magna Mater arriving at Rome in 204 BC?

RESPONSUM N°3 – The young P. Cornelius Scipio Nasica
was the best man in Rome as the Senate judged and he
received the Great Goddess when arrived at Ostia, port
city of Rome.



II. TEMPORARY CLASSIFICATION
(The rules of Certamen Historicum:
http://www.cohorssullana.grafosystem.ro/rules.htm)

Tullia Scholastica and Sempronia Magna are top tis
list still: but Hotrensia and Albucius retrograded to
the 3rd place... Don't give up the race, folks!!!
And here is our Marinus: he stands all the good
chances to the victory! Let's go!

1. Flavia Tullia Valeria Scholastica 6 pts
1. Iulilla Sempronia Magna 6 pts

2. Cn. Equitius Marinus 5 pts

3. C. Equitius Cato 4 pts
3. Marca Hortensia Maior 4 pts
3. P. Memmius Albucius 4 pts

4. Iulia Cybele 2 pts


Come on, let's go, Nova Romans! The racing starts just
now!!!



VALETE QVAM OPTIME!
Happy Megalesia-Days!

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
Scriba Ludorum - Aed. L. Iulii Sullae
Undecimvir ad Diploma Sodalitatis Latinitatis Retractandum
Propraetor Pannoniae


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34645 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Certamen Historicum - No4
YOU CAN BEGIN NOW!!!
It's not important if you haven't done yesterday:
YOU CAN START NOW!!!!!
You can start sending answers anytime!!!

CN CORNELIVS LENTVLVS QVIRITIBVS SALVTEM DICIT:
Avete, Quirites, in the name of Aedilis L. Iulius!

This is a Historical Contest not only for historians
but also for everyone who loves Roman history! It's
not important if you haven't done yesterday: you can
begin now! You can start sending answers anytime!


And here follows the 4th question for our Certamen
Historicum:

QUAESTIO N°4 – Who was Claudia Quinta and why is she
important to the Megalesia?



It's not important if you haven't done yesterday: you
can begin now!!! We are waiting for you answers, and
remember that you have just to write at the following
email:
cnaeus_cornelius@...

Here are the rules of Certamen Historicum:
http://www.cohorssullana.grafosystem.ro/rules.htm


VALETE QVAM OPTIME!
Happy Megalesia-Days!

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
Scriba Ludorum - Aed. L. Iulii Sullae
Undecimvir ad Diploma Sodalitatis Latinitatis Retractandum
Propraetor Pannoniae


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34647 From: quintuscassiuscalvus Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Bird" <p.bird@n...> wrote:
> And Pope Pius XII has been accused of anti-semitism. There is
little doubt
> now that he did not do all he could have done, and had the power
to do, to
> help many Jews escape the terrors the Nazis inflicted on them. In
fact, he
> chastised the priests and nuns who did help them. Hardly a good
example.

Salve,

Pope Pius the XII is a victim of "revisionist history" that started
in 1963 with the play, "The Deputy" by the German playwright, Rolf
Hochhuth.

Pope Pius the XII did come down hard on the the Nazis early on. The
Nazi response was to increase the persecution of the Jews and target
outspoken priests and nuns with extermination. As a result Pius
wisely decided that the only way to actually be of any assistance
the Jews and resist facism was to do so clandestinely. That is the
reason he told the priests and nuns to keep quiet. You can't run a
clandestine operation if people are shouting from the roof tops
about it.

One has to remember that during the war the Vatican was completely
surrounded by the Fascists. Pius had a choice, he could make a
bold statement that would be great for show but produce no real
result other than his own death and the deaths of others working to
keep Jews out of Nazi hands, or he could do as much as he could in
silence without a paper trail.

On April 28, 1935 then Cardinal Pacelli (the future Pius XII) said
at Lourdes, France of the Nazis, "are in reality only miserable
plagiarists who dress up old errors with new tinsel. It does not
make any difference whether they flock to the banners of social
revolution, whether they are guided by a false concept of the world
and of life, or whether they are possessed by the superstition of a
race and blood cult."

In 1937 then Cardinal Pacelli wrote the encycilal "Mit Brennender
Sorge" which denounced the Nazis.

The Vatican hid several thousand Italian Jews after the Nazi
invasion of Italy in 1943. In September of 1943 the Nazi
commanders demanded 100 lbs of gold or 300 Jews would get it. The
Jews of Rome could only come up with 70 lbs of gold. Then Chief
Rabbi Zolli writes in his memoirs that he was smuggled into the
Vatican as an "engineer to help with a construction problem" to
deceive the Gestapo guards There he met with the Vatican Secretary
of State who informed him that the Holy Father was paying the
deficit out of the Vatican treasury.

"It is not easy for us to find the right words to express the warmth
and consolation we experienced because of the concern of the supreme
pontiff, who offered a large sum to relieve the sufferings of
deported Jews. . . . The Jews of Romania will never forget these
facts of historic importance." -- Rabbi Safran of Bucharest, Romania
note to papal nuncio April 7, 1944

"The people of Israel will never forget what His Holiness and his
illustrious delegates, inspired by the eternal principles of
religion which form the very foundations of true civilization, are
doing for us unfortunate brothers and sisters in the most tragic
hour of our history, which is living proof of divine Providence in
this world." --Isaac Herzog, Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, February 28,
1944

I'm far more inclined to give creedance to the words of Chief Rabbi
Zolli (who subsequently converted taking the baptismal name Eugeno
in honor of Pope Pius' own baptismal name Eugeno), Rabbi Safran,
Chief Rabbi Herzog and other Jewish leaders that were Pius'
contempories than that of historical revisionists that weren't
there and have an anti-Catholic agenda.

The historical revisionists seem to think that Pope Pius XII could
have waved a magic wand and made it all better. There was no magic
wand and Pius knew it (and the revisionists know it as well). Pius
and his Church did as much as they could the best that they could to
save as many as they could under extraordinarily impossible
circumstances.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34648 From: John Gunn III Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: Latin Translation
Just off the top of my head i am not familiar with Homullus, but felix as i know it means lucky.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34649 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Munera Gladiatoria - semifinals
AVETE CIVES NOVAROMANI !


Again it is a beautiful day for the Ludi. Today the semifinals are taking place. Closed fights between well known gladiators as you can see only in Circus Maximus.

From the morning the seats of the arena are full. There is too many people and an sound that�s shaking the ground.

The gladiators who will fight in semifinals are:

Superstes the athletic Secutor of hon. Triarius, who�s adored by the crowd and especially the dames.

Memmius Rododactilus, the Thraex belonging the Praetor Faustus, and well known for his ferocity.

Perspicax, Murmillio, from Perugia belonging to Iulius Perusianus.

Achillea Retiara with an unusual courage, coming from Hibernia, sponsored by Hortensia Maior.

Ftatius Achillean sponsored by the same Faustus.

Master Webmaster, Retiarius, an experienced exponent of the Nordic fighting school, belonging to Curius Saturninus.

The Senators and the magistrates take their place in the audience and greets the Senior Aedil for the good course of the festivity.

This one gives a sign and the chamberlain announces the start of the games.

Superstes and Memmius enter the arena.

Their weapons shine and their equipment looks impeccable showing that they are belonging some prosperous houses.

The gladiators salute the crowd and then salute each other.

Signal of starting.

The fight between experienced gladiators shows less hidden tactics.

Everything is calculated. The mistakes are few but sometimes deadly.

Both gladiators fight in defense. They are studying each other pretty much; their attacks are powerful but without a result yet.

Swords are crossing but they are stopped by shields.

Because one big hit Superstes loose the shield. Memmius attacks with determination not giving Superstes the chance of getting up his shield.

This one is forced to fall back. Memmius tries using this advantage, and gives one hit after another. Superstes bloks and fight in retreat. Memmius is inpatient and his lots of hits begin to be uncertain. That�s more than a lot for Superstes to put an end to this fight.

At one moment, with a powerful hit of the Thraex Superstes makes a strafe and taking advantage from the Memmius lack of equilibrium, stabs him. The blood is flowing in the arena while Memmius collapses on the ground. The hit was definitely final.

Cheered by the audience Superstes leaves the arena.



The second fight is waited with high interest.

Perspicax vs. Achillea.

This is a difficult fight for Perspicax, not because of Achillea�s skills but because the enthusiasm of the crowd.

Achillea conquered the audience with her fights.

And the battle starts.

Perspicax creates unpredictable situation typical for his name. Achillea keeps the distance using the trident.

Because of that Perspicax has to roll over next to her to find her weakest point matching his sword.

But he only waste more energy and gets tired easily. Even when he�s near he gets hits on the helm by the Achillea�s net. Those hits gives Achillea the possibility to reconsider her attack. At this time Perspicax catches the net and Achillea has to let loose. Otherwise she will be too close to Murmillio and she would be exposed to danger.

Perspicax shows the public his new trophy. He gets only pieces of ovations. He throws the net far away and quicly attacks Achillea. This one is not frightened at all. She draws her dagger knowing that she�ll be in disadvantage in a close combat. She hits with the trident, this one slides on the Perspicax shield and pass near him.

Perspicax rise his sword to give the final hit but he uncovers a part of his body. Achillea sees that and with a quick move she stabs her opponent. Perspicax hits the air and falls to the ground.

He�s not dead but it seems he can�t continue fighting. His life is spared by the audience, while Achillea receives full ovations.



The last fight is being given between Master Webmaster and Ftatius Achillean, two different gladiators: Murmillio and Retiarius from different schools.

Webmaster is the public favorite, but he�s in a slight disadvantage because of the heat.

The gladiators are studying each other with short hits. Each of them tries to discover the weak points of the opponent. Ftatius shows agility, webmaster shows the force.

Ftatius avoids well the trident. Webmaster prepare himself throwing the net. In the public is a quiet athmosphere. Only the hits are being accompanied by ovations. The gladiators attack, reject and counterattack. Everything is like dancing. A deadly dance. Some hits given by Ftatius to brake Webmaster�s defense. Some hits given by Webmaster with his trident , everything drives to the point where everybody will remember this move:

Webmaster hits with the trident Ftatius�s shield. Ftatius comes with his sword from an upper place but Webmaster strafes and quickly falls back.

Then something hard to imagine happens: Webmaster counterattacks using his triden like a spear aiming Ftatius�s head. This one manage to strafe but falls into the net being trapped.

He tries to cut it but Webmaster has already the dagger to his neck. Everything stops and after that the crowd from Circus Maximus shakes the ground with shouts and ovations.

Ftatius�s life will be spared and Webmaster goes to the Finals.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34650 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2005-04-06
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
---P. Minucia Tiberia Quinto Cassio Calvo S.P.D.

This is an interesting thread. I'm enjoying the posts conveying
various perspectives. Cassius, I am very impressed with your well-
presented and informative post below. I was not aware of the
payment out of the Vatican treasury, for example. And I had not read
those quotes before, to be honest.

And you have a sharp point, in that a loud noise in those times for
an unpopular cause might well have proved to be the last sounds one
would make....except for maybe the screams during one's execution.
And when the things you say and do potentially determine the fate of
hundreds to thousands, it stands to reason you act cautiously and
quietly.

Another consideration is that potential looting and/or destruction
of many parts (or all) of the Vatican would have been carried out in
a heartbeat I'm sure, if certain authorities felt it was
necessary...... Hey,the temple of Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD
for similar reasons: the unifying pinnacle of those considered by
Domitian to be a zealous threat to the empire.

Another unfortunate example of 'might' makes 'right'

Valete




In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@c...>
wrote:
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Bird" <p.bird@n...> wrote:
> > And Pope Pius XII has been accused of anti-semitism. There is
> little doubt
> > now that he did not do all he could have done, and had the
power
> to do, to
> > help many Jews escape the terrors the Nazis inflicted on them.
In
> fact, he
> > chastised the priests and nuns who did help them. Hardly a good
> example.
>
> Salve,
>
> Pope Pius the XII is a victim of "revisionist history" that
started
> in 1963 with the play, "The Deputy" by the German playwright, Rolf
> Hochhuth.
>
> Pope Pius the XII did come down hard on the the Nazis early on.
The
> Nazi response was to increase the persecution of the Jews and
target
> outspoken priests and nuns with extermination. As a result Pius
> wisely decided that the only way to actually be of any assistance
> the Jews and resist facism was to do so clandestinely. That is
the
> reason he told the priests and nuns to keep quiet. You can't run
a
> clandestine operation if people are shouting from the roof tops
> about it.
>
> One has to remember that during the war the Vatican was completely
> surrounded by the Fascists. Pius had a choice, he could make a
> bold statement that would be great for show but produce no real
> result other than his own death and the deaths of others working
to
> keep Jews out of Nazi hands, or he could do as much as he could in
> silence without a paper trail.
>
> On April 28, 1935 then Cardinal Pacelli (the future Pius XII)
said
> at Lourdes, France of the Nazis, "are in reality only miserable
> plagiarists who dress up old errors with new tinsel. It does not
> make any difference whether they flock to the banners of social
> revolution, whether they are guided by a false concept of the
world
> and of life, or whether they are possessed by the superstition of
a
> race and blood cult."
>
> In 1937 then Cardinal Pacelli wrote the encycilal "Mit Brennender
> Sorge" which denounced the Nazis.
>
> The Vatican hid several thousand Italian Jews after the Nazi
> invasion of Italy in 1943. In September of 1943 the Nazi
> commanders demanded 100 lbs of gold or 300 Jews would get it. The
> Jews of Rome could only come up with 70 lbs of gold. Then Chief
> Rabbi Zolli writes in his memoirs that he was smuggled into the
> Vatican as an "engineer to help with a construction problem" to
> deceive the Gestapo guards There he met with the Vatican
Secretary
> of State who informed him that the Holy Father was paying the
> deficit out of the Vatican treasury.
>
> "It is not easy for us to find the right words to express the
warmth
> and consolation we experienced because of the concern of the
supreme
> pontiff, who offered a large sum to relieve the sufferings of
> deported Jews. . . . The Jews of Romania will never forget these
> facts of historic importance." -- Rabbi Safran of Bucharest,
Romania
> note to papal nuncio April 7, 1944
>
> "The people of Israel will never forget what His Holiness and his
> illustrious delegates, inspired by the eternal principles of
> religion which form the very foundations of true civilization, are
> doing for us unfortunate brothers and sisters in the most tragic
> hour of our history, which is living proof of divine Providence in
> this world." --Isaac Herzog, Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, February
28,
> 1944
>
> I'm far more inclined to give creedance to the words of Chief
Rabbi
> Zolli (who subsequently converted taking the baptismal name Eugeno
> in honor of Pope Pius' own baptismal name Eugeno), Rabbi Safran,
> Chief Rabbi Herzog and other Jewish leaders that were Pius'
> contempories than that of historical revisionists that weren't
> there and have an anti-Catholic agenda.
>
> The historical revisionists seem to think that Pope Pius XII could
> have waved a magic wand and made it all better. There was no
magic
> wand and Pius knew it (and the revisionists know it as well).
Pius
> and his Church did as much as they could the best that they could
to
> save as many as they could under extraordinarily impossible
> circumstances.
>
> Vale,
>
> Q. Cassius Calvus
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34651 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Salvete omnes,

At times revisionist history can be quite frustrating, twisting the
facts and trying to judge the past by today's 21st century standards.

I vividly remember my parents who were born in 1909, 1915
respectively lived through that era and served in the war brought up
exactly the point Quintus Calvus just did about 35 years ago when
this issue was discussed in the 60's for what it is worth.

Last year I came across a book called Hitler's Pope by a John
Cornwell. The cover is deciving since there is a black and white
photo on the cover showing Pius XII walking past German soldiers
saluting their rifles to him. A real eye catcher no doubt but I have
another history book which has the same photo explaining that he was
visting the Weimer Republic at that time at a lower rank some 10
years before; certainly not the pope. The tunics and uniforms were
very similar on the German and a Mauser 1898 was used for 45 years
in Germany.

Now if you will excuse me, I am going over some web articles on
Julius Caesar equating him to the likes of Pol Pot, Hitler etc.
Perhaps I need better re-education and keep up with the 21st century.

Meanwhile here is an article that addresses what was in store for
the Catholic church and seems to agree with Calvus. I won't make a
habit of posting off topic material in future but hopefully we will
do a little more research and reading thus being more discerning on
all history and especially things Roman:

Nazi Policy and the Catholic Church KAROL JOZEF GAJEWSKI


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Though Hitler felt a particular urgency — and hatred — when dealing
with Jews and Communists, he viewed the Catholic Church as a
pernicious opponent, a deeply-entrenched threat that must be
controlled and eventually uprooted from German life in order to
establish his promised Thousand-Year-Reich. From his early years of
political dreaming, from within the pages of Mein Kampf to the Table
Talk Hitler himself made his contempt for the `slave' ideology of
Christianity and its Jewish roots perfectly clear. Though the scale
of Christian persecution cannot be compared to the Jewish Holocaust
of 1941-1945, except perhaps in Poland, the ultimate destruction of
Christianity was one of the Nazis long-term aims.
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On the night of January 30, 1933, rank after rank of SA
stormtroopers and black-uniformed SS detachments swung through the
Brandenburg Gate onto the Unter den Linden in the centre of Berlin.
They carried flaming torches and were cheered by huge crowds lining
the sidewalks, thousands hysterically giving the Nazi salute as a
token of victory. Hitler had achieved his first goal that very day:
appointed Chancellor by the aging President Hindenburg.

As Hitler and his Cabinet minister Hermann Goering acknowledged the
cheers of the massed citizenry, Hitler was well aware that the
victory was only a partial one. The Nazis were still a minority in a
fragile coalition. Hitler had, in fact, warned earlier that day in a
statement released to the world's press: "The Nazi Party has at last
broken through to the government. I am determined to continue the
struggle as fiercely within government as we fought outside it."

A major part of what Hitler saw as his forthcoming struggle was
targeting, isolating and destroying a number of enemies who were
perceived as inherently hostile to his dream of
the `Volksgemeinschaft' or `Racial Community'. Chief among these
were Jews, Communists, the Social Democrats with their loyal
electoral support, the Catholic Centre Party and the Christian
Churches. All were threats, each to be dealt with as quickly as
circumstances would allow.

Though Hitler felt a particular urgency — and hatred — when dealing
with Jews and Communists, he viewed the Catholic Church as a
pernicious opponent, a deeply-entrenched threat that must be
controlled and eventually uprooted from German life in order to
establish his promised Thousand-Year-Reich. To help eliminate
Catholic influence, he turned to Alfred Rosenberg, arch-ideologue,
anti-Semite, and despiser of Christianity. In his book The Myth of
the Twentieth Century, Rosenberg had formulated a "scientific"
theory of racism. For him, the supreme human value was that of race:
individual races possessed their own collective soul, a
mystical "power of the blood and soil." Each race also possessed a
religious impulse (in the case of the Aryan Germans, this was the
pagan cult of Wotan, king of the gods). Christianity, for Rosenberg,
was the distorted product of Semitic tribes who had tricked the
Aryans into jettisoning their pagan truth. The Catholic Church,
prime mover in this spiritual swindle, was singled out for sustained
attack as the promoter of "prodigious, conscious and unconscious
falsifications." Rosenberg claimed that Jesus Christ had been an
unwitting tool of Jewish world conspirators, active as early as the
first century AD. In some writings, he would go further and argue
that Christ was possibly not a Jew at all, but a prototype Aryan,
son of a Roman soldier stationed in Palestine.

In February 1933 Hermann Goering banned all Catholic newspapers in
Cologne, citing that `political' Catholicism — ie commenting on
government policy — would not be tolerated. Responding to protests,
he denied this was part of a deliberate campaign against Catholics;
the government, he claimed, would "seal its own doom with such a
policy." Though the ban was lifted, it sent a warning tremor through
the largely Catholic Rhineland, and gave an accurate indication of
possible future government moves. A further straw in the wind was
apparent when Storm troopers (SA) broke up meetings of Christian
trade unions and the Catholic Centre Party. The Manchester Guardian
reported one such incident on February 23, 1933 — a prominent
politician, Adam Stegerwald, was attacked while speaking at a
meeting in Krefeld, and a number of priests were hurt in the fracas.

There was a brief — and carefully engineered — lull in anti-Catholic
provocation when Hitler turned his attention to strengthening
national unity in the face of potential enemies at home and abroad.
He made a public appeal for the Church to negotiate the terms of a
new Concordat (Church-State agreement); an offer he knew the Vatican
would find hard to refuse. Almost from the outset, however,
discussions took place against a drumbeat of threats that the SA
would be unleashed on defenceless Catholics unless agreement were
quickly reached. Pope Pius XI and his Secretary of State, Cardinal
Eugenio Pacelli (the future Pius XII) were faced with a dilemma. If
they refused to negotiate with the legally appointed government,
Hitler would undoubtedly publicise his terms and claim that the
Vatican was anti-Nazi and obstructionist. Any written agreement,
Pacelli maintained, would offer a better basis for the protection of
civil and religious rights than no legally constituted agreement at
all. After all, Lutherans had similar safeguards.

In fact, large-scale arrests were already taking place. Thousands of
Catholic Center Party (Zentrum) activists were in concentration
camps by the end of June 1933. Although well aware of the ominous
situation, government negotiator and Vice-Chancellor Franz von Papen
(himself a Catholic), told journalists that relations between the
Reich and the Vatican were "so friendly" that it had taken only
eight days to sketch the main outline of the proposed Concordat.
This was duly signed in July 1933 and specified that certain
activities — education, youth associations, Church rallies — were
legally guaranteed by the Reich. In return, the Church's support for
the Centre Party and its ally the Bavarian People's Party would be
withdrawn. Actually, the Centre Party, under relentless pressure
from the Nazis, had already voted itself out of existence even
before the final signing of the Concordat, a fact that Pacelli
lamented as it handicapped his negotiating stance.

In view of the controversy that later surrounded the Concordat,
Pacelli always argued that the Church had to accept the lesser of
the two evils presented to it. Without the agreement, Catholics
would have been left to the mercy of SA, SS and Gestapo hit squads.
With the agreement, they at least had legal grounds on which to
protest injustices. The Secretary of State was realistic enough to
remark to a British Embassy official he understood perfectly that
attacks on Catholics would not cease, but "they will hardly break
all the articles at the same time."

The Nazis may have heard Pacelli's opinions, but if so, paid little
attention. An "Editors' Law" promulgated in December 1933 struck
directly at free speech. All editors were required to become members
of the Literary Chamber of the Third Reich and follow whatever
directives might follow. In tandem with this gagging act, government
censorship began to tighten relentlessly. Even individual
typewriters could be impounded on the whim of local Nazi
functionaries and as a result, a partial blackout fell on what was
happening inside Germany.

The Vatican, seeking accurate information, found helpers in unusual
quarters. A large and unrecognised army of witnesses passed along
secret reports and documents. This ad hoc Catholic intelligence
grapevine had, as one of its leaders, Dr. Joseph Mueller, an anti-
Nazi Munich lawyer known for his coolness and dependability. As an
officer in the Abwehr (Military Counter-Intelligence), he was able
to move freely between Munich, Berlin and Rome. In his Abwehr bag he
carried sheaves of documents giving a detailed account of the
campaign being waged against Catholics inside Germany, and, after
the Anschluss of 1938, in Austria.

It was clear from Mueller's documentation that clergy were being
singled out for ridicule, humiliation and punishment. The
famous `Currency' and `Immorality' trials which peaked in 1935 and
1936, resulted in the imprisonment and fining of hundreds of clergy.

The `Immorality' trials sought to destroy the reputation of Catholic
religious, aimed in particular at those working in primary and
secondary schools. Priests, monks, lay-brothers and nuns were
accused of "perverted and immoral" lifestyles — euphemisms for
homosexuality and paedophilia. The Gestapo set numerous traps in
order to furnish bogus evidence. The New York Times carried a report
in May 1936 describing priests who had been summoned to hotel rooms
after desperate messages to administer the last sacraments were
received. When the priest entered, the `caller' would turn out to be
a prostitute, planted by government agents. Photos would be later
produced in court as irrefutable evidence of corruption.

One notorious trial in 1936 concerned the Franciscans of the
Rhineland town of Waldbreitbach. This was widely publicised and
parents were warned in sanctimoniously penned editorials not to
allow their children to enter Catholic schools if they wished to
avoid corruption of the innocent. Even children themselves were
encouraged to read the lurid accounts. In several cities, newspaper
stands were purposely lowered so youngsters could read salacious and
pornographic stories accompanied by cartoons in the pages of Der
Stuermer (the newspaper controlled by Julius Streicher, notorious
anti-Semite and anti-Catholic). Witness statements from children
were produced in court by secret police whose testimony was not
challengeable. Threats, bribes, brutal night-time interrogations and
nervous breakdowns of the accused were reported in various
newspapers outside Germany.

In the USA, protest meetings and marches were organised as news of
the trials spread. In June 1936, a petition was signed by 48
clergymen. "We lodge a solemn protest against the almost unique
brutality of the attacks launched by the German government charging
Catholic clergy with gross immorality," they wrote. "The good name
of the Catholic priesthood is to be defamed, in the hope that the
ultimate suppression of all Jewish and Christian beliefs by the
totalitarian state can be effected." This protest was signed by
Rabbis Samuel Abrams of Boston, Philip Bernstein of Rochester and
Philip Bookstaber of Harrisburg, along with 18 other Rabbis and 27
Protestant clergymen. The New York Times reported that Christmas
1937 would see "more than a hundred Protestant pastors and several
thousand Catholic clergymen in prison."

Although roving SA and Hitler Youth gangs were warned in general
against turning prominent clergy into martyrs, threats and violence
against priests became common. Sometimes, in the wake of local
instructions, senior clergy would be intimidated. Cardinal Faulhaber
of Munich was shot at and Cardinal Innitzer's residence in Vienna
was ransacked in October 1938. There was a notorious incident in the
same month when Bishop Sproll of Rottenburg was manhandled and his
residence vandalised. He later received an anonymous letter of
apology from an SA man, forced to take part in the outrage: "I have
always been proud of my country", he wrote, "But last Saturday, I
was, for the first time, ashamed to call myself a German."

Songs, films, speeches by party members, poster campaigns, and
theatre productions cruelly satirised clergy in the later 1930s.
Anderl Kern's anti-clerical play, pointedly titled The Last Peasant,
was performed throughout Germany to wide critical acclaim.
Characters included a parish priest with an illegitimate child, an
eye for the opposite sex and easy money; a young seminarian who
arrives home, announcing he has lost his vocation; and a peasant
mother who attempts to murder a servant with rosary beads in one
hand and a dagger in the other. At the end of the play, the ex-
seminarian emerges as a true German hero, having renounced the
priesthood and promising to father a large family for the future
security of the Aryan race.

The most important strand of Nazi policy was, essentially, to
strangle Catholicism by eliminating all organisations supported by
the Church, from schools and children's groups to Catholic Trade
Unions. By 1939, this had been largely accomplished. Replacing them
were National Socialist or "Community Schools", the workers Labour
Front and the Hitler Youth with its female counterpart, The League
of German Girls. One initial campaign against Catholic schools in
Munich reduced the percentage of students attending from 84% in 1934
to 65% a year later. In 1937, parents were asked to choose their
child's school in front of two witnesses, usually SA men in full
uniform. Hints would be given of possible future trouble and loss of
employment if Catholic schools were chosen.

Meetings were regularly held to vote on the issue of Catholic or
Community Schools. In Speyer, a town of some 40,000 situated on the
Rhine, one working man wrote to his bishop giving details of how
his `vote' had been obtained in 1937: " I was told to go to the
Parish Council Offices. On arriving there I declared that I wanted
the Roman Catholic school and prepared to leave. The local Nazi cell-
leader held me back and wrote a note to my firm stating that because
of my declaration I would be dismissed from my job. A police
constable then told me if I didn't change my mind I would never
obtain public work again."

The cumulative effect of these measures hit teachers in some
Catholic schools very hard. A councillor of the Bavarian Ministry of
Education announced that in 1936 alone, of 1,600 teaching posts
formerly awarded to nuns, 600 would be transferred to secular staff.
The councillor didn't explain what would happen to the employment
prospects of the unfortunate 600. The economic effects of such
enforced redundancy caused many religious houses to close down and
nuns with academic qualifications were driven into low-paid
occupations. Some returned to their parents or moved in with
sympathetic relatives. Yet others applied for jobs in industry. The
town of Baden in 1938 saw 41 nuns working in one textile factory,
most former teachers. The government, twisting the knife, then
announced that all nuns renouncing their vows would be automatically
entitled to State employment, with guaranteed salary and pension
rights attached.

Thus, on October 27, 1938, Adolf Wagner, Bavarian Minister of the
Interior stated with pride: "The denominational schools throughout
the whole of Bavaria have now been transformed into Community
schools." By January 1939 it was estimated that more than 10,000
Catholic schools had been suppressed and by the end of April that
year the London Catholic Herald reported that a further 3,300
schools had been abolished by decree in what was described as "A
black day for the Catholic Rhineland."

Continued pressure was brought to bear on thousands of Catholic
civil servants who were threatened with disciplinary measures or
dismissal unless their children were enrolled in the Hitler Youth or
German Girls League (BDM). Training guilds, such as the Prussian
Master Craftsman Association, announced that from 1935 onwards, only
those enrolled in Nazi Party organisations would be accepted as
apprentices. German Railways, employing hundreds of thousands,
passed a similar ordinance the same year. Even farmers began issuing
notices to the same effect, with shops advertising part-time jobs
following suit. The New York Times, on June 1, 1937, reported a
Hitler speech referring specifically to the young: "We will take
away their children. They shall not escape us."

In spite of the growing atmosphere of intimidation and fear,
protests were made by senior clerics who challenged the Third Reich
and its racist, anti-Semitic and anti-Christian policies. These
included Bishop Clemens Count von Galen of Munster, Archbishop von
Preysing of Berlin, Cardinal Bertram of Breslau, Cardinal Schulte of
Cologne and possibly the most famous of all, Cardinal Michael von
Faulhaber of Munich. His series of Advent sermons, preached from the
pulpit of St. Michael's Church, aroused national and international
interest. They proved so popular that thousands listened, with
overflows into the streets outside. In the first of the sermons,
preached on December 3 1933, Faulhaber defended Christianity by
defending the people from whom it sprung: the Jews. He reminded the
congregation that Christianity made no racial distinctions but asked
only that its adherents should possess faith. In March 1934, the
published edition of his sermons, Judaism, Christianity
and `Germanism' was banned for its so-called outrageous slanders on
the State.

Faulhaber, undeterred, pressed on with denunciations of Nazi policy
on Catholic schools, youth organisations, rigged elections,
sterilisation laws, attacks on the Pope and attempts to replace
Christianity with what he called `ersatz' (fake) religious
principles. He played a considerable role in the writing of the
great anti-Nazi encyclical Mit brennender Sorge (`With Burning
Anxiety') issued in March 1937. It denounced repeated attacks on the
Catholic faith, the breaking of almost every article of the 1933
Concordat, and assailed Nazi ideology and political practice. The
encyclical was smuggled into Germany under the eyes of Gestapo
agents who had received warnings from Berlin to expect an important
anti-Nazi pamphlet. Copies were secretly printed in various parts of
the country and the underground Catholic network was engaged in
distributing it to parishes throughout Germany. Hundreds of helpers,
in cars, on motorbikes or bicycles, handed copies personally to
priests, sometimes in the dead of night. The encyclical made it
plain that the Nazis were intent on a "war of extermination" against
the Catholic Church, and that after numerous rebuffs to diplomatic
approaches from Rome, the Pope had decided to make a final stand.

The government reaction to the encyclical was immediate. A formal
protest was sent from Berlin to Rome, and equally swiftly rejected
by Cardinal Pacelli. An enraged Hitler and Goebbels cranked up the
propaganda machine and once more dozens of clerics found themselves
arraigned on the hoary old charges of immorality and `slandering'
the Nazi state. Gestapo units were mobilised to find which presses
had produced the encyclical: 12 were confiscated and the editors
arrested. In one parish, Essen in the diocese of Oldenburg, seven
girls were arrested inside the church as they handed out copies of
Mit brennender Sorge after the Palm Sunday service.

The death of Pope Pius XI in February 1939 and the election of his
successor, Pacelli, drew sneers from Das Schwarze Korps (`The Black
Corps'), house newspaper of the SS and mouthpiece of Heinrich
Himmler, Reichsfuhrer SS. It referred to Pius XI as the "Chief Rabbi
of the Christians, boss of the firm of Judah-Rome." Prior to this,
Das Schwarze Korps had taken a leading role in propaganda attacks on
Cardinal Pacelli during his official visit to France, labelling him
a co-conspirator with Jews and Communists against Nazism.

The strategy of the Nazi government towards Christianity in general
and the Catholic Church in particular changed gear a number of times
during 1933-9. New policies could be imposed from above or rescinded
as the dictates of political events changed. Sometimes central
decision-making was emphasised; sometimes party organisations were
given freer rein to adapt policy to local circumstances. On
occasions harassment could be disguised or even halted if a
propaganda coup might thus be gained. In August 1936, for example,
during the Olympic Games in Berlin, orders were given to stop
measures against Jews, Catholics and Protestants and to hide show
trials from the eyes of foreign journalists. The pause soon ended
once the correspondents left Germany.

With the coming of war in 1939, Hitler insisted that overt
persecution of Christians had to take second place to the effective
prosecution of military aims. Others in the party held different
views, believing it was a mistake to slow the Kirchenkampf, the
battle against the Church. Martin Bormann, `deputy' Fuhrer, reminded
Heinrich Himmler in 1941 that the "influence of the Church must be
entirely eliminated." In the event, however, the destruction was to
be given a longer time-scale for accomplishment. A clue can be found
in the published edition of Hitler's Table Talk, where he stated as
part of a lengthy and rambling attack on the Church that: "I have
numerous accounts to settle, about which I cannot think today. But
that doesn't mean I forget them. I write them down. The time will
come to bring out the big book."

As is tragically known today, there was little division of opinion
among top Nazis regarding the persecution of the Jews. The war gave
Hitler undreamed of possibilities to purify Europe of non-Aryans.
Slavs were to be used as labour or killed without compunction when
necessary, the Jewish population to be exterminated as vermin. With
the invasion of the USSR in June 1941 and the construction of the
death camp network, Nazi capacity to kill reached hitherto
unimagined levels.

Though the scale of Christian persecution cannot be compared to the
Jewish Holocaust of 1941-1945, except perhaps in Poland, the
ultimate destruction of Christianity was one of the Nazis long-term
aims. From his early years of political dreaming, from within the
pages of Mein Kampf to the Table Talk Hitler himself made his
contempt for the `slave' ideology of Christianity and its Jewish
roots perfectly clear.

Baldur von Schirach, the leader of the Hitler Youth, was fond of
addressing mass meetings of his followers with a motto: "We are a
Youth that believes in God, because we serve the Divine Law that is
called Germany." That desperate conception of the `Divine Law' was
to lead, by ten thousand crooked paths, to catastrophic suffering,
total war, and to the ovens of Auschwitz itself.

ACKNOWLEDGEMENT

Gajewski, Karol Jozef. "Nazi Policy and the Catholic Church." Inside
the Vatican (November 1999).

Published with permission of Inside the Vatican and Mr. Gajewski.

For subscription information call 1-800-789-9494 (USA).

AUTHOR

Karol Jozef Gajewski teaches history at a secondary school in
Sandbach, Cheshire, England. His particular interests include modern
European history, religious philosophy, English literature, and
playing the violin.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

previously posted on the Jewish Sodalista
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34652 From: Aulus Sempronius Regulus Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: [Nova Roma] To NR citizens living in Tennessee
Salvete,



Nashville is the metropolitan district in which I
am.

What more in mind for this gathering do you have?

[Latin is inflected so word order is grammatically

irrelevant – but the Romans liked suspenseful
style.

Since it is the verb that is the secret key that
unlocks

a sentence, they tended to put that last. There is
a

story that illustrates this very point. In effect,
a

military messenger rushed in to deliver a crisis
AAR.

“The Roman Army, Hannibal, at _____ defeated.”

This story has probably been told in several too
many

Classical Latin classes. IÂ’m experimenting how
close

to Roman style I can get in a non-inflected
English.

The absolute worse analogy IÂ’ve heard to how
addicted

the Romans were to the suspensed delayed style was

not the above story but that, if alive today, they
would

be addicted to soap-operas. Abysmal Ugh!]



Anyway, IÂ’m in Nashville.



MMDCCLVIII A.U.C.



Aulus Sempronius Regulus





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34653 From: Diana Aventina Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: Academia Course: Rituals of the Religio Romana
> Please there is no reason for anger.

Trust me little girl, you've never seen me angry.



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34654 From: Peter Bird Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Hey, I was not the one who accused Pius XII of anti-Semitism! It was just
that the comment I posted on modern liturgical practice happened to be in
the same thread! I agree wholeheartedly with Quintus Cassius – indeed, the
whole situation of the Vatican vis-à-vis the Nazis in the Second World War
is enormously complex and entails many delicate issues. I think most
historians may agree that Pius (particularly given his fondness for Germany
in the 1930s) may well have been attracted by the autocratic nature of the
German regime at first inasmuch as it coincided with his own concept of
authority, but he was a saintly man who hated violence and cruelty from any
source. Perhaps at first he was a little naïve, but as he grew to realise
the horror of the Nazis – and had to protect his church in Germany – he
worked behind the scenes, so to speak, to ensure the survival of the
greatest number that he could. In the end, though, he knew he had to speak
out, and this is what led to the encyclical “Mit brennende Sorge”. I hardly
think that the late pope would have set him in line for canonisation if
there were any doubt at all about his saintliness.

Peter



_____

From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia [mailto:pompeia_minucia_tiberia@...]
Sent: 07 April 2005 04:09
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus




---P. Minucia Tiberia Quinto Cassio Calvo S.P.D.

This is an interesting thread. I'm enjoying the posts conveying
various perspectives. Cassius, I am very impressed with your well-
presented and informative post below. I was not aware of the
payment out of the Vatican treasury, for example. And I had not read
those quotes before, to be honest.

And you have a sharp point, in that a loud noise in those times for
an unpopular cause might well have proved to be the last sounds one
would make....except for maybe the screams during one's execution.
And when the things you say and do potentially determine the fate of
hundreds to thousands, it stands to reason you act cautiously and
quietly.

Another consideration is that potential looting and/or destruction
of many parts (or all) of the Vatican would have been carried out in
a heartbeat I'm sure, if certain authorities felt it was
necessary...... Hey,the temple of Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD
for similar reasons: the unifying pinnacle of those considered by
Domitian to be a zealous threat to the empire.

Another unfortunate example of 'might' makes 'right'

Valete




In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "quintuscassiuscalvus" <richmal@c...>
wrote:
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Bird" <p.bird@n...> wrote:
> > And Pope Pius XII has been accused of anti-semitism. There is
> little doubt
> > now that he did not do all he could have done, and had the
power
> to do, to
> > help many Jews escape the terrors the Nazis inflicted on them.
In
> fact, he
> > chastised the priests and nuns who did help them. Hardly a good
> example.
>
> Salve,
>
> Pope Pius the XII is a victim of "revisionist history" that
started
> in 1963 with the play, "The Deputy" by the German playwright, Rolf
> Hochhuth.
>
> Pope Pius the XII did come down hard on the the Nazis early on.
The
> Nazi response was to increase the persecution of the Jews and
target
> outspoken priests and nuns with extermination. As a result Pius
> wisely decided that the only way to actually be of any assistance
> the Jews and resist facism was to do so clandestinely. That is
the
> reason he told the priests and nuns to keep quiet. You can't run
a
> clandestine operation if people are shouting from the roof tops
> about it.
>
> One has to remember that during the war the Vatican was completely
> surrounded by the Fascists. Pius had a choice, he could make a
> bold statement that would be great for show but produce no real
> result other than his own death and the deaths of others working
to
> keep Jews out of Nazi hands, or he could do as much as he could in
> silence without a paper trail.
>
> On April 28, 1935 then Cardinal Pacelli (the future Pius XII)
said
> at Lourdes, France of the Nazis, "are in reality only miserable
> plagiarists who dress up old errors with new tinsel. It does not
> make any difference whether they flock to the banners of social
> revolution, whether they are guided by a false concept of the
world
> and of life, or whether they are possessed by the superstition of
a
> race and blood cult."
>
> In 1937 then Cardinal Pacelli wrote the encycilal "Mit Brennender
> Sorge" which denounced the Nazis.
>
> The Vatican hid several thousand Italian Jews after the Nazi
> invasion of Italy in 1943. In September of 1943 the Nazi
> commanders demanded 100 lbs of gold or 300 Jews would get it. The
> Jews of Rome could only come up with 70 lbs of gold. Then Chief
> Rabbi Zolli writes in his memoirs that he was smuggled into the
> Vatican as an "engineer to help with a construction problem" to
> deceive the Gestapo guards There he met with the Vatican
Secretary
> of State who informed him that the Holy Father was paying the
> deficit out of the Vatican treasury.
>
> "It is not easy for us to find the right words to express the
warmth
> and consolation we experienced because of the concern of the
supreme
> pontiff, who offered a large sum to relieve the sufferings of
> deported Jews. . . . The Jews of Romania will never forget these
> facts of historic importance." -- Rabbi Safran of Bucharest,
Romania
> note to papal nuncio April 7, 1944
>
> "The people of Israel will never forget what His Holiness and his
> illustrious delegates, inspired by the eternal principles of
> religion which form the very foundations of true civilization, are
> doing for us unfortunate brothers and sisters in the most tragic
> hour of our history, which is living proof of divine Providence in
> this world." --Isaac Herzog, Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, February
28,
> 1944
>
> I'm far more inclined to give creedance to the words of Chief
Rabbi
> Zolli (who subsequently converted taking the baptismal name Eugeno
> in honor of Pope Pius' own baptismal name Eugeno), Rabbi Safran,
> Chief Rabbi Herzog and other Jewish leaders that were Pius'
> contempories than that of historical revisionists that weren't
> there and have an anti-Catholic agenda.
>
> The historical revisionists seem to think that Pope Pius XII could
> have waved a magic wand and made it all better. There was no
magic
> wand and Pius knew it (and the revisionists know it as well).
Pius
> and his Church did as much as they could the best that they could
to
> save as many as they could under extraordinarily impossible
> circumstances.
>
> Vale,
>
> Q. Cassius Calvus






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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34655 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
G. Equitius Cato P. Minuciae-Tiberiae Straboni quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve Senatrix et salvete omnes.


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_minucia_tiberia"
<pompeia_minucia_tiberia@y...> wrote:
>
> ---P. Minucia Tiberia Quinto Cassio Calvo S.P.D.
...... Hey,the temple of Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD
> for similar reasons: the unifying pinnacle of those considered by
> Domitian to be a zealous threat to the empire.
>
> Another unfortunate example of 'might' makes 'right'


Actually, the Temple was supposed to be left alone entirely. Titus
(not Domitian) pressed the siege of Jerusalem, which was crowded with
people because of the Passover festivities, cutting off the water and
food supply. The besieged were terribly hard pressed by these tactics,
as well as by the insufferable heat. Those who tried to escape were
captured and crucified before the very walls as an example to others.
On July 17th the daily sacrifices were interrupted.

Some weeks later, after the legions had assaulted the walls and gained
entrance like an irresistible stream, the Romans put to the sword all
Jews whom they happened to encounter. Titus desired greatly that the
Temple should be spared, and promised to spare the Jews if they would
stop their resistance. Several times he sent Josephus to persuade his
countrymen, but to no avail.


"But then, on the next day, Titus commanded part of his army to quench
the fire, and to make a road for the more easy marching up of the
legions, while he himself gathered the commanders together. Of those
there were assembled the six principal persons: Tiberius Alexander,
the commander [under the general] of the whole army; with Sextus
Cerealis, the commander of the fifth legion; and Larcius Lepidus, the
commander of the tenth legion; and Titus Frigius, the commander of the
fifteenth legion: there was also with them Eternius, the leader of the
two legions that came from Alexandria; and Marcus Antonius Julianus,
procurator of Judea: after these came together all the rest of the
procurators and tribunes. Titus proposed to these that they should
give him their advice what should be done about the holy house. Now
some of these thought it would be the best way to act according to the
rules of war, [and demolish it,] because the Jews would never leave
off rebelling while that house was standing; at which house it was
that they used to get all together. Others of them were of opinion,
that in case the Jews would leave it, and none of them would lay their
arms up in it, he might save it; but that in case they got upon it,
and fought any more, he might burn it; because it must then be looked
upon not as a holy house, but as a citadel; and that the impiety of
burning it would then belong to those that forced this to be done, and
not to them. But Titus said, that 'although the Jews should get upon
that holy house, and fight us thence, yet ought we not to revenge
ourselves on things that are inanimate, instead of the men
themselves'; and that he was not in any case for burning down so vast
a work as that was, because this would be a mischief to the Romans
themselves, as it would be an ornament to their government while it
continued. So Fronto, and Alexander, and Cerealis grew bold upon that
declaration, and agreed to the opinion of Titus. Then was this
assembly dissolved, when Titus had given orders to the commanders that
the rest of their forces should lie still; but that they should make
use of such as were most courageous in this attack. So he commanded
that the chosen men that were taken out of the cohorts should make
their way through the ruins, and quench the fire." - Flavius Josephus,
The Jewish War VI.4.3


Then

"So Titus retired into the tower of Antonia, and resolved to storm the
temple the next day, early in the morning, with his whole army, and to
encamp round about the holy house. But as for that house, God had, for
certain, long ago doomed it to the fire; and now that fatal day was
come, according to the revolution of ages; it was the tenth day of the
month Lous [Av], upon which it was formerly burnt by the king of
Babylon; although these flames took their rise from the Jews
themselves, and were occasioned by them; for upon Titus's retiring,
the seditious lay still for a little while, and then attacked the
Romans again, when those that guarded the holy house fought with those
that quenched the fire that was burning the inner [court of the]
temple; but these Romans put the Jews to flight, and proceeded as far
as the holy house itself. At which time one of the soldiers, without
staying for any orders, and without any concern or dread upon him at
so great an undertaking, and being hurried on by a certain divine
fury, snatched somewhat out of the materials that were on fire, and
being lifted up by another soldier, he set fire to a golden window,
through which there was a passage to the rooms that were round about
the holy house, on the north side of it. As the flames went upward,
the Jews made a great clamor, such as so mighty an affliction
required, and ran together to prevent it; and now they spared not
their lives any longer, nor suffered any thing to restrain their
force, since that holy house was perishing, for whose sake it was that
they kept such a guard about it.

And now a certain person came running to Titus, and told him of this
fire, as he was resting himself in his tent after the last battle;
whereupon he rose up in great haste, and, as he was, ran to the holy
house, in order to have a stop put to the fire; after him followed all
his commanders, and after them followed the several legions, in great
astonishment; so there was a great clamor and tumult raised, as was
natural upon the disorderly motion of so great an army. Then did
Caesar, both by calling to the soldiers that were fighting, with a
loud voice, and by giving a signal to them with his right hand, order
them to quench the fire. But they did not hear what he said, though he
spake so loud, having their ears already dimmed by a greater noise
another way; nor did they attend to the signal he made with his hand
neither, as still some of them were distracted with fighting, and
others with passion. But as for the legions that came running thither,
neither any persuasions nor any threatenings could restrain their
violence, but each one's own passion was his commander at this time;
and as they were crowding into the temple together, many of them were
trampled on by one another, while a great number fell among the ruins
of the cloisters, which were still hot and smoking, and were destroyed
in the same miserable way with those whom they had conquered; and when
they were come near the holy house, they made as if they did not so
much as hear Caesar's orders to the contrary; but they encouraged
those that were before them to set it on fire." - op.cit. VI.5.5,6


Fire consumed the buildings and the temple went up. The destruction of
the temple occurred on the Jewish Sabbath, 10 August A.D. 70. After
bitter fighting and frightful massacres, in September of A.D.70, after
a stubborn and desperate resistance, the city fell and the national
existence of the Jews came to an end. The Holy City was taken and
burned, and the Tenth Legion encamped in the ruined temple. The temple
was leveled to the ground and utterly destroyed. Only the Roman
garrison was left. Josephus states that the Romans, having taken the
city, brought their standards into the court of the temple, and placed
them opposite the east gate, where they offered sacrifices to them.

Vale et valete,

Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34657 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALENSES - Venationes
ave Cato

> Sorry about Tenax your Retiarius, Iulius Perusianus. But a tiger's
> gotta eat!

Sigh...sigh... hundreds of sesterces wasted! ;-)

well, just back after this period of absence and, heck, I've lost in
all the games! Mmmmm.... I better "talk" with my trainer!

M IVL PERVSIANVS
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34658 From: Marcus Iulius Perusianus Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: Off to the Eternal City
ave Hadriane,

well, I'm late...I guess you've already left ;-) I'm going to write
you privately or call at the Hotel in Rome. Looking forward to meet
you in the Urbs :-)

vale
M IVL PERVSIANVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix
<c.minucius.hadrianus@n...> wrote:
> C. Minucius Hadrianus Quiritibus S.P.D.
>
> Salvete!
>
> Well tonight my wife and I are off to Roma! We'll be there for 4
days,
> and then we'll be spending 2 days in Naples exploring Pompeii.
>
> We'll be staying at the Hotel San Francesco in Roma (in Trastevere
T
> +3906 5830 0051) from 7-10 April and at the Hotel Plaza (T +39 081
563
> 6168) in Naples from 11-13 April (we fly home on the 13th).
>
> If any Roman or Neopolitan Nova Romans in the vicinity would like
to get
> together for lunch/dinner/cappuccino etc. please give us a ring at
our
> hotel (don't know our room #'s yet) or drop me an e-mail at
> *adrian.gunn@g...* - I will try to check that e-mail daily at the
> hotel.
>
> Arrivederci!
>
> Gaius Minucius Hadrianus et Octavia Minucia Sabina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34659 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
---Salve Peter:

I do not believe that I accused anyone of anything, with respect.As
a Catholic I had not read alot of things Cassius furnished in his
post. I agreed with his point, and he provided information and
quotes I was not familiar with.

I am in fact encouraged by his post because, a 'quiet' approach can
be considered a 'non approach', and I think this has been the
prevailing consensus on the actions of the RC church toward the
plight of the Jews. Good to know that more was done than I for one
realized.

I also said that I was enjoying the discussion and reading the
various perspectives. If you thought this was a rebound attack on
you for some reason, I do apologize.

Pompeia




In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Bird" <p.bird@n...> wrote:
>
> Hey, I was not the one who accused Pius XII of anti-Semitism! It
was just
> that the comment I posted on modern liturgical practice happened
to be in
> the same thread! I agree wholeheartedly with Quintus Cassius –
indeed, the
> whole situation of the Vatican vis-à-vis the Nazis in the Second
World War
> is enormously complex and entails many delicate issues. I think
most
> historians may agree that Pius (particularly given his fondness
for Germany
> in the 1930s) may well have been attracted by the autocratic
nature of the
> German regime at first inasmuch as it coincided with his own
concept of
> authority, but he was a saintly man who hated violence and cruelty
from any
> source. Perhaps at first he was a little naïve, but as he grew to
realise
> the horror of the Nazis – and had to protect his church in
Germany – he
> worked behind the scenes, so to speak, to ensure the survival of
the
> greatest number that he could. In the end, though, he knew he had
to speak
> out, and this is what led to the encyclical "Mit brennende Sorge".
I hardly
> think that the late pope would have set him in line for
canonisation if
> there were any doubt at all about his saintliness.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia
[mailto:pompeia_minucia_tiberia@y...]
> Sent: 07 April 2005 04:09
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
>
>
>
>
> ---P. Minucia Tiberia Quinto Cassio Calvo S.P.D.
>
> This is an interesting thread. I'm enjoying the posts conveying
> various perspectives. Cassius, I am very impressed with your well-
> presented and informative post below. I was not aware of the
> payment out of the Vatican treasury, for example. And I had not
read
> those quotes before, to be honest.
>
> And you have a sharp point, in that a loud noise in those times
for
> an unpopular cause might well have proved to be the last sounds
one
> would make....except for maybe the screams during one's execution.
> And when the things you say and do potentially determine the fate
of
> hundreds to thousands, it stands to reason you act cautiously and
> quietly.
>
> Another consideration is that potential looting and/or destruction
> of many parts (or all) of the Vatican would have been carried out
in
> a heartbeat I'm sure, if certain authorities felt it was
> necessary...... Hey,the temple of Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD
> for similar reasons: the unifying pinnacle of those considered by
> Domitian to be a zealous threat to the empire.
>
> Another unfortunate example of 'might' makes 'right'
>
> Valete
>
>
>
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "quintuscassiuscalvus"
<richmal@c...>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Bird" <p.bird@n...>
wrote:
> > > And Pope Pius XII has been accused of anti-semitism. There is
> > little doubt
> > > now that he did not do all he could have done, and had the
> power
> > to do, to
> > > help many Jews escape the terrors the Nazis inflicted on
them.
> In
> > fact, he
> > > chastised the priests and nuns who did help them. Hardly a
good
> > example.
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > Pope Pius the XII is a victim of "revisionist history" that
> started
> > in 1963 with the play, "The Deputy" by the German playwright,
Rolf
> > Hochhuth.
> >
> > Pope Pius the XII did come down hard on the the Nazis early on.
> The
> > Nazi response was to increase the persecution of the Jews and
> target
> > outspoken priests and nuns with extermination. As a result Pius
> > wisely decided that the only way to actually be of any
assistance
> > the Jews and resist facism was to do so clandestinely. That is
> the
> > reason he told the priests and nuns to keep quiet. You can't
run
> a
> > clandestine operation if people are shouting from the roof tops
> > about it.
> >
> > One has to remember that during the war the Vatican was
completely
> > surrounded by the Fascists. Pius had a choice, he could make a
> > bold statement that would be great for show but produce no real
> > result other than his own death and the deaths of others working
> to
> > keep Jews out of Nazi hands, or he could do as much as he could
in
> > silence without a paper trail.
> >
> > On April 28, 1935 then Cardinal Pacelli (the future Pius XII)
> said
> > at Lourdes, France of the Nazis, "are in reality only miserable
> > plagiarists who dress up old errors with new tinsel. It does not
> > make any difference whether they flock to the banners of social
> > revolution, whether they are guided by a false concept of the
> world
> > and of life, or whether they are possessed by the superstition
of
> a
> > race and blood cult."
> >
> > In 1937 then Cardinal Pacelli wrote the encycilal "Mit
Brennender
> > Sorge" which denounced the Nazis.
> >
> > The Vatican hid several thousand Italian Jews after the Nazi
> > invasion of Italy in 1943. In September of 1943 the Nazi
> > commanders demanded 100 lbs of gold or 300 Jews would get it.
The
> > Jews of Rome could only come up with 70 lbs of gold. Then Chief
> > Rabbi Zolli writes in his memoirs that he was smuggled into the
> > Vatican as an "engineer to help with a construction problem" to
> > deceive the Gestapo guards There he met with the Vatican
> Secretary
> > of State who informed him that the Holy Father was paying the
> > deficit out of the Vatican treasury.
> >
> > "It is not easy for us to find the right words to express the
> warmth
> > and consolation we experienced because of the concern of the
> supreme
> > pontiff, who offered a large sum to relieve the sufferings of
> > deported Jews. . . . The Jews of Romania will never forget these
> > facts of historic importance." -- Rabbi Safran of Bucharest,
> Romania
> > note to papal nuncio April 7, 1944
> >
> > "The people of Israel will never forget what His Holiness and
his
> > illustrious delegates, inspired by the eternal principles of
> > religion which form the very foundations of true civilization,
are
> > doing for us unfortunate brothers and sisters in the most tragic
> > hour of our history, which is living proof of divine Providence
in
> > this world." --Isaac Herzog, Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, February
> 28,
> > 1944
> >
> > I'm far more inclined to give creedance to the words of Chief
> Rabbi
> > Zolli (who subsequently converted taking the baptismal name
Eugeno
> > in honor of Pope Pius' own baptismal name Eugeno), Rabbi Safran,
> > Chief Rabbi Herzog and other Jewish leaders that were Pius'
> > contempories than that of historical revisionists that weren't
> > there and have an anti-Catholic agenda.
> >
> > The historical revisionists seem to think that Pope Pius XII
could
> > have waved a magic wand and made it all better. There was no
> magic
> > wand and Pius knew it (and the revisionists know it as well).
> Pius
> > and his Church did as much as they could the best that they
could
> to
> > save as many as they could under extraordinarily impossible
> > circumstances.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Q. Cassius Calvus
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34660 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
---Salve Equitius Cato et Salvete Omnes:

Yes, it was Titus. Titus passed away in 81. The temple was
destroyed in 70. It was Titus who was in power, not yet his brother
Domitian.

I am not sure how, though, your interesting recant of Josephus
nullifies what I said to Cassius Calvus...which is simply that the
temple of Jerusalem was flattened due to the bottom line inability
to deal with adversaries carefully enough to avert it. And the
Vatican could well have suffered the same intentions, in my view.
But you still do not have to agree with my line of reasoning...this
is entirely your option.

Did Titus have initial designs on the destruction of the temple?
Josephus implies not, but even without reading Josephus I would
say "unlikely", but I do not believe the Third Reich did either.
But the notion could have evolved into a perceived necessity on
their part, if certain religious officials did not negotiate
carefully, and 'quietly'...one of the themes of Cassius' post if I
read him correctly.

Josephus was a Jewish historian, but a once Roman slave who worked
his way up the ranks, and so had close and positive relations with
the Romans. Although his works are academically rich, I have been
cautioned by some historians/scholars far more professional than I
to use them cautiously...to line his accounts up with facts/dates as
strictly as possible. He is viewed by some as being subjectively
proRoman in some spots. Perhaps other historians would like to
comment on this.

Valete


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@y...>
wrote:
>
> G. Equitius Cato P. Minuciae-Tiberiae Straboni quiritibusque S.P.D.
>
> Salve Senatrix et salvete omnes.
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_minucia_tiberia"
> <pompeia_minucia_tiberia@y...> wrote:
> >
> > ---P. Minucia Tiberia Quinto Cassio Calvo S.P.D.
> ...... Hey,the temple of Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD
> > for similar reasons: the unifying pinnacle of those considered
by
> > Domitian to be a zealous threat to the empire.
> >
> > Another unfortunate example of 'might' makes 'right'
>
>
> Actually, the Temple was supposed to be left alone entirely. Titus
> (not Domitian) pressed the siege of Jerusalem, which was crowded
with
> people because of the Passover festivities, cutting off the water
and
> food supply. The besieged were terribly hard pressed by these
tactics,
> as well as by the insufferable heat. Those who tried to escape were
> captured and crucified before the very walls as an example to
others.
> On July 17th the daily sacrifices were interrupted.
>
> Some weeks later, after the legions had assaulted the walls and
gained
> entrance like an irresistible stream, the Romans put to the sword
all
> Jews whom they happened to encounter. Titus desired greatly that
the
> Temple should be spared, and promised to spare the Jews if they
would
> stop their resistance. Several times he sent Josephus to persuade
his
> countrymen, but to no avail.
>
>
> "But then, on the next day, Titus commanded part of his army to
quench
> the fire, and to make a road for the more easy marching up of the
> legions, while he himself gathered the commanders together. Of
those
> there were assembled the six principal persons: Tiberius Alexander,
> the commander [under the general] of the whole army; with Sextus
> Cerealis, the commander of the fifth legion; and Larcius Lepidus,
the
> commander of the tenth legion; and Titus Frigius, the commander of
the
> fifteenth legion: there was also with them Eternius, the leader of
the
> two legions that came from Alexandria; and Marcus Antonius
Julianus,
> procurator of Judea: after these came together all the rest of the
> procurators and tribunes. Titus proposed to these that they should
> give him their advice what should be done about the holy house. Now
> some of these thought it would be the best way to act according to
the
> rules of war, [and demolish it,] because the Jews would never leave
> off rebelling while that house was standing; at which house it was
> that they used to get all together. Others of them were of opinion,
> that in case the Jews would leave it, and none of them would lay
their
> arms up in it, he might save it; but that in case they got upon it,
> and fought any more, he might burn it; because it must then be
looked
> upon not as a holy house, but as a citadel; and that the impiety of
> burning it would then belong to those that forced this to be done,
and
> not to them. But Titus said, that 'although the Jews should get
upon
> that holy house, and fight us thence, yet ought we not to revenge
> ourselves on things that are inanimate, instead of the men
> themselves'; and that he was not in any case for burning down so
vast
> a work as that was, because this would be a mischief to the Romans
> themselves, as it would be an ornament to their government while it
> continued. So Fronto, and Alexander, and Cerealis grew bold upon
that
> declaration, and agreed to the opinion of Titus. Then was this
> assembly dissolved, when Titus had given orders to the commanders
that
> the rest of their forces should lie still; but that they should
make
> use of such as were most courageous in this attack. So he commanded
> that the chosen men that were taken out of the cohorts should make
> their way through the ruins, and quench the fire." - Flavius
Josephus,
> The Jewish War VI.4.3
>
>
> Then
>
> "So Titus retired into the tower of Antonia, and resolved to storm
the
> temple the next day, early in the morning, with his whole army,
and to
> encamp round about the holy house. But as for that house, God had,
for
> certain, long ago doomed it to the fire; and now that fatal day was
> come, according to the revolution of ages; it was the tenth day of
the
> month Lous [Av], upon which it was formerly burnt by the king of
> Babylon; although these flames took their rise from the Jews
> themselves, and were occasioned by them; for upon Titus's retiring,
> the seditious lay still for a little while, and then attacked the
> Romans again, when those that guarded the holy house fought with
those
> that quenched the fire that was burning the inner [court of the]
> temple; but these Romans put the Jews to flight, and proceeded as
far
> as the holy house itself. At which time one of the soldiers,
without
> staying for any orders, and without any concern or dread upon him
at
> so great an undertaking, and being hurried on by a certain divine
> fury, snatched somewhat out of the materials that were on fire, and
> being lifted up by another soldier, he set fire to a golden window,
> through which there was a passage to the rooms that were round
about
> the holy house, on the north side of it. As the flames went upward,
> the Jews made a great clamor, such as so mighty an affliction
> required, and ran together to prevent it; and now they spared not
> their lives any longer, nor suffered any thing to restrain their
> force, since that holy house was perishing, for whose sake it was
that
> they kept such a guard about it.
>
> And now a certain person came running to Titus, and told him of
this
> fire, as he was resting himself in his tent after the last battle;
> whereupon he rose up in great haste, and, as he was, ran to the
holy
> house, in order to have a stop put to the fire; after him followed
all
> his commanders, and after them followed the several legions, in
great
> astonishment; so there was a great clamor and tumult raised, as was
> natural upon the disorderly motion of so great an army. Then did
> Caesar, both by calling to the soldiers that were fighting, with a
> loud voice, and by giving a signal to them with his right hand,
order
> them to quench the fire. But they did not hear what he said,
though he
> spake so loud, having their ears already dimmed by a greater noise
> another way; nor did they attend to the signal he made with his
hand
> neither, as still some of them were distracted with fighting, and
> others with passion. But as for the legions that came running
thither,
> neither any persuasions nor any threatenings could restrain their
> violence, but each one's own passion was his commander at this
time;
> and as they were crowding into the temple together, many of them
were
> trampled on by one another, while a great number fell among the
ruins
> of the cloisters, which were still hot and smoking, and were
destroyed
> in the same miserable way with those whom they had conquered; and
when
> they were come near the holy house, they made as if they did not so
> much as hear Caesar's orders to the contrary; but they encouraged
> those that were before them to set it on fire." - op.cit. VI.5.5,6
>
>
> Fire consumed the buildings and the temple went up. The
destruction of
> the temple occurred on the Jewish Sabbath, 10 August A.D. 70. After
> bitter fighting and frightful massacres, in September of A.D.70,
after
> a stubborn and desperate resistance, the city fell and the national
> existence of the Jews came to an end. The Holy City was taken and
> burned, and the Tenth Legion encamped in the ruined temple. The
temple
> was leveled to the ground and utterly destroyed. Only the Roman
> garrison was left. Josephus states that the Romans, having taken
the
> city, brought their standards into the court of the temple, and
placed
> them opposite the east gate, where they offered sacrifices to them.
>
> Vale et valete,
>
> Cato
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34661 From: Peter Bird Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Salve bene Pompeia –

My apologies – I did not mean in any way to imply that you had accused me of
anything – far from it! It was just that someone mentioned that I had
mentioned Pius XII, whereas all I had added to the thread was a few comments
on contemporary liturgical practice! So I apologise if you thought I was
being in any way unpleasant – not my intention at all.

Indeed, what Cassius had to say in his post was most enlightening. I did
read ‘Hitler’s Pope’ myself and was convinced by the end of it that the
author had carefully selected his sources in order to condemn Pius. The
whole era – particularly with the secrecy prevalent in the Vatican – will
probably never be properly understood, nor can we make current judgments on
a terrifying situation and papal reactions to it which we have never been
through ourselves. It is possible that Pius kept quiet in order to avoid
more Nazi wrath bearing down on the Church – after all, if the Nazis had
taken the Vatican he would have felt personally responsible. The Church too
in those days was a very different entity than it is today.

Now we wonder what kind of pope we will get next! Has anyone looked at the
various papabili and come up with any predictions?



Vale optime

Peter



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From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia [mailto:pompeia_minucia_tiberia@...]
Sent: 07 April 2005 13:33
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus




---Salve Peter:

I do not believe that I accused anyone of anything, with respect.As
a Catholic I had not read alot of things Cassius furnished in his
post. I agreed with his point, and he provided information and
quotes I was not familiar with.

I am in fact encouraged by his post because, a 'quiet' approach can
be considered a 'non approach', and I think this has been the
prevailing consensus on the actions of the RC church toward the
plight of the Jews. Good to know that more was done than I for one
realized.

I also said that I was enjoying the discussion and reading the
various perspectives. If you thought this was a rebound attack on
you for some reason, I do apologize.

Pompeia




In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Bird" <p.bird@n...> wrote:
>
> Hey, I was not the one who accused Pius XII of anti-Semitism! It
was just
> that the comment I posted on modern liturgical practice happened
to be in
> the same thread! I agree wholeheartedly with Quintus Cassius –
indeed, the
> whole situation of the Vatican vis-à-vis the Nazis in the Second
World War
> is enormously complex and entails many delicate issues. I think
most
> historians may agree that Pius (particularly given his fondness
for Germany
> in the 1930s) may well have been attracted by the autocratic
nature of the
> German regime at first inasmuch as it coincided with his own
concept of
> authority, but he was a saintly man who hated violence and cruelty
from any
> source. Perhaps at first he was a little naïve, but as he grew to
realise
> the horror of the Nazis – and had to protect his church in
Germany – he
> worked behind the scenes, so to speak, to ensure the survival of
the
> greatest number that he could. In the end, though, he knew he had
to speak
> out, and this is what led to the encyclical "Mit brennende Sorge".
I hardly
> think that the late pope would have set him in line for
canonisation if
> there were any doubt at all about his saintliness.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia
[mailto:pompeia_minucia_tiberia@y...]
> Sent: 07 April 2005 04:09
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
>
>
>
>
> ---P. Minucia Tiberia Quinto Cassio Calvo S.P.D.
>
> This is an interesting thread. I'm enjoying the posts conveying
> various perspectives. Cassius, I am very impressed with your well-
> presented and informative post below. I was not aware of the
> payment out of the Vatican treasury, for example. And I had not
read
> those quotes before, to be honest.
>
> And you have a sharp point, in that a loud noise in those times
for
> an unpopular cause might well have proved to be the last sounds
one
> would make....except for maybe the screams during one's execution.
> And when the things you say and do potentially determine the fate
of
> hundreds to thousands, it stands to reason you act cautiously and
> quietly.
>
> Another consideration is that potential looting and/or destruction
> of many parts (or all) of the Vatican would have been carried out
in
> a heartbeat I'm sure, if certain authorities felt it was
> necessary...... Hey,the temple of Jerusalem was destroyed in 70 AD
> for similar reasons: the unifying pinnacle of those considered by
> Domitian to be a zealous threat to the empire.
>
> Another unfortunate example of 'might' makes 'right'
>
> Valete
>
>
>
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "quintuscassiuscalvus"
<richmal@c...>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Bird" <p.bird@n...>
wrote:
> > > And Pope Pius XII has been accused of anti-semitism. There is
> > little doubt
> > > now that he did not do all he could have done, and had the
> power
> > to do, to
> > > help many Jews escape the terrors the Nazis inflicted on
them.
> In
> > fact, he
> > > chastised the priests and nuns who did help them. Hardly a
good
> > example.
> >
> > Salve,
> >
> > Pope Pius the XII is a victim of "revisionist history" that
> started
> > in 1963 with the play, "The Deputy" by the German playwright,
Rolf
> > Hochhuth.
> >
> > Pope Pius the XII did come down hard on the the Nazis early on.
> The
> > Nazi response was to increase the persecution of the Jews and
> target
> > outspoken priests and nuns with extermination. As a result Pius
> > wisely decided that the only way to actually be of any
assistance
> > the Jews and resist facism was to do so clandestinely. That is
> the
> > reason he told the priests and nuns to keep quiet. You can't
run
> a
> > clandestine operation if people are shouting from the roof tops
> > about it.
> >
> > One has to remember that during the war the Vatican was
completely
> > surrounded by the Fascists. Pius had a choice, he could make a
> > bold statement that would be great for show but produce no real
> > result other than his own death and the deaths of others working
> to
> > keep Jews out of Nazi hands, or he could do as much as he could
in
> > silence without a paper trail.
> >
> > On April 28, 1935 then Cardinal Pacelli (the future Pius XII)
> said
> > at Lourdes, France of the Nazis, "are in reality only miserable
> > plagiarists who dress up old errors with new tinsel. It does not
> > make any difference whether they flock to the banners of social
> > revolution, whether they are guided by a false concept of the
> world
> > and of life, or whether they are possessed by the superstition
of
> a
> > race and blood cult."
> >
> > In 1937 then Cardinal Pacelli wrote the encycilal "Mit
Brennender
> > Sorge" which denounced the Nazis.
> >
> > The Vatican hid several thousand Italian Jews after the Nazi
> > invasion of Italy in 1943. In September of 1943 the Nazi
> > commanders demanded 100 lbs of gold or 300 Jews would get it.
The
> > Jews of Rome could only come up with 70 lbs of gold. Then Chief
> > Rabbi Zolli writes in his memoirs that he was smuggled into the
> > Vatican as an "engineer to help with a construction problem" to
> > deceive the Gestapo guards There he met with the Vatican
> Secretary
> > of State who informed him that the Holy Father was paying the
> > deficit out of the Vatican treasury.
> >
> > "It is not easy for us to find the right words to express the
> warmth
> > and consolation we experienced because of the concern of the
> supreme
> > pontiff, who offered a large sum to relieve the sufferings of
> > deported Jews. . . . The Jews of Romania will never forget these
> > facts of historic importance." -- Rabbi Safran of Bucharest,
> Romania
> > note to papal nuncio April 7, 1944
> >
> > "The people of Israel will never forget what His Holiness and
his
> > illustrious delegates, inspired by the eternal principles of
> > religion which form the very foundations of true civilization,
are
> > doing for us unfortunate brothers and sisters in the most tragic
> > hour of our history, which is living proof of divine Providence
in
> > this world." --Isaac Herzog, Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem, February
> 28,
> > 1944
> >
> > I'm far more inclined to give creedance to the words of Chief
> Rabbi
> > Zolli (who subsequently converted taking the baptismal name
Eugeno
> > in honor of Pope Pius' own baptismal name Eugeno), Rabbi Safran,
> > Chief Rabbi Herzog and other Jewish leaders that were Pius'
> > contempories than that of historical revisionists that weren't
> > there and have an anti-Catholic agenda.
> >
> > The historical revisionists seem to think that Pope Pius XII
could
> > have waved a magic wand and made it all better. There was no
> magic
> > wand and Pius knew it (and the revisionists know it as well).
> Pius
> > and his Church did as much as they could the best that they
could
> to
> > save as many as they could under extraordinarily impossible
> > circumstances.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Q. Cassius Calvus
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34662 From: Maxima Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
AthanasiosofSpfd@... wrote:

<What you say is surely true, and I do not question that John Paul II was a great man. However, to some Catholics he is not so revered. There is a very conservative movement within Catholicism that opposes the reforms of the Second Vatican Council, and wishes to return to the Tridentine Mass promulgated (in perpetuity) by St. Pius V. The objection of these Catholics to John Paul II is that he had further promoted the reforms of Vatican II and in the process of doing so further alienated these Catholics who refuse to accept the liturgical changes brought about by Vatican II.>

Yes, we know all about those Catholics who still refuse to accept the reforms of Vatican II. Thankfully, they are a small minority.

The reforms of Vatican II were sorely needed and everyone at the time knew it. The overwhelming majority of Catholics have gladly embraced these reforms which freed the Church from stuffy, outdated practices that had the Church very much out of step with the times.

The Mass, as it is today, is like it was back in the beginning of the Church. People did not sit in pews saying their rosaries while a priest, with his back to them, performed rites they had no part in. The early Christians gathered around a table, said all the prayers in their own language, listened to readings of the letters from the Apostles which were read by the head of the house where they performed their rite, and sometimes that was a woman! Then they broke bread and passed it around and all shared a drink of wine from the same cup, just as Jesus had taught them to do at his last supper. That is how the Mass was suppose be. Sadly, it got very far away from that.

The Tridentine Mass is gone for good. The reforms of Vatican II are here to stay. To go back to the old ways of doing things would have been a huge step backwards for the Church and Pope John Paul II knew it.

The Mass today is alive, vibrant and everyone, not just the priest, participates. ( I still attend Mass with my family on special occasions. ) And there is no sin in saying Mass in different languages or having the priest face the congregation or having lively singing going on or in having lay people doing the readings or passing out communion. That was how it was done in the beginning! With Vatican II, the Church returned to its roots and it has been a success worldwide.

I did attend a Tridentine Mass once and I can see why it was done away with. It's so dead! To those Catholic still clinging to the old, all I can say is step into the new and enjoy the beauty of the Mass as it is today. I've even attended bi-lingual and tri-lingual Masses and there is something very uniting about people from different cultures coming together and celebrating their diversity in their own language with their own customs and costumes. No Catholic I know wants to go back to the old ways!

Bene vale

Maxima Valeria Messallina



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34663 From: AthanasiosofSpfd@aol.com Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Salve;

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I am to mine. I know
several Roman Catholics who have changed rites to the Byzantine Rite within
Catholicism because the Liturgy of St. John Chyrsostom is a beautiful liturgy, and
they have found the Liturgy of Paul VI lacking -- as I do as well.

You say that Vatican II was a success. Ok, I'll accept your opinion as
possible. But time will tell, and probably not in our lifetime.

Vale;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 4/7/2005 11:04:31 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
violetphearsen@... writes:

Yes, we know all about those Catholics who still refuse to accept the
reforms of Vatican II. Thankfully, they are a small minority.

The reforms of Vatican II were sorely needed and everyone at the time knew
it. The overwhelming majority of Catholics have gladly embraced these reforms
which freed the Church from stuffy, outdated practices that had the Church
very much out of step with the times.

The Mass, as it is today, is like it was back in the beginning of the
Church. People did not sit in pews saying their rosaries while a priest, with his
back to them, performed rites they had no part in. The early Christians
gathered around a table, said all the prayers in their own language, listened to
readings of the letters from the Apostles which were read by the head of the
house where they performed their rite, and sometimes that was a woman! Then
they broke bread and passed it around and all shared a drink of wine from the
same cup, just as Jesus had taught them to do at his last supper. That is how
the Mass was suppose be. Sadly, it got very far away from that.

The Tridentine Mass is gone for good. The reforms of Vatican II are here to
stay. To go back to the old ways of doing things would have been a huge step
backwards for the Church and Pope John Paul II knew it.

The Mass today is alive, vibrant and everyone, not just the priest,
participates. ( I still attend Mass with my family on special occasions. ) And there
is no sin in saying Mass in different languages or having the priest face the
congregation or having lively singing going on or in having lay people doing
the readings or passing out communion. That was how it was done in the
beginning! With Vatican II, the Church returned to its roots and it has been a
success worldwide.

I did attend a Tridentine Mass once and I can see why it was done away with.
It's so dead! To those Catholic still clinging to the old, all I can say is
step into the new and enjoy the beauty of the Mass as it is today. I've even
attended bi-lingual and tri-lingual Masses and there is something very
uniting about people from different cultures coming together and celebrating their
diversity in their own language with their own customs and costumes. No
Catholic I know wants to go back to the old ways!

Bene vale

Maxima Valeria Messallina





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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34664 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Salvete omnes,

Something else to keep in mind about the Vatican over the last 80
years. It has no army, navy or airforce and can only fire barrages of
spiritual ammunition. The Pontifex Maximus can and does advise the
world's political leaders not to wage to war and commit genocide but
if these leaders choose not to listen, then there is nothing more he
can do. This applies from WW II to the Balkans and the middle east.

I suppose they have the option of ex-communicating catholic leaders or
catholics who help or vote for men that do evil things but
unfortunately there would be the argument around the world regarding
seperation of the RC church and state and few people if any would vote
for Catholic polititions if that was implemented.


Regards,

QLP
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34665 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Felix
Salvete omnes,

Ah, that post reminds me: I got a new Roman nick name from the guys
in the oil patch. This winter I was setting up my geophysical
equipment on top of some oil rig buildings and I do not particularily
like hights. I got the job done but moved "very" slowly and
cautiously ... like a snail as a matter of fact. Admiring my speed and
agility up there the rig crews have nick named me " Felix " after the
cartoon cat. So be it!

Quintus Lanius Paulinus Felix!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34666 From: gaiusequitiuscato Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: Felix
G. Equitius Cato Q. Lanio Paulino Felico S.P.D.

Salve Lanius Felix!

Congrats on your feline-like agility :-)

Vale bene,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> Ah, that post reminds me: I got a new Roman nick name from the guys
> in the oil patch. This winter I was setting up my geophysical
> equipment on top of some oil rig buildings and I do not particularily
> like hights. I got the job done but moved "very" slowly and
> cautiously ... like a snail as a matter of fact. Admiring my speed and
> agility up there the rig crews have nick named me " Felix " after the
> cartoon cat. So be it!
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus Felix!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34667 From: FAC Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: Off to the Eternal City
Salve Illustrus Hadrianus Felix,
I wish you good trip in Italy, you and your wife are welcome here.

I live 250 km close to Naples (a couple of hours by car) but
unluckly during your holidays I'll be forced to work hardly at
office and I couldn't meet you.

It's a sad casuality that you'll be not during the celebration of
the Birthday of Roma on 17th April, it's a wonderful event.

Good trip again!

Vale
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Consul



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Minucius Hadrianus Felix
<c.minucius.hadrianus@n...> wrote:
> C. Minucius Hadrianus Quiritibus S.P.D.
>
> Salvete!
>
> Well tonight my wife and I are off to Roma! We'll be there for 4
days,
> and then we'll be spending 2 days in Naples exploring Pompeii.
>
> We'll be staying at the Hotel San Francesco in Roma (in
Trastevere T
> +3906 5830 0051) from 7-10 April and at the Hotel Plaza (T +39
081 563
> 6168) in Naples from 11-13 April (we fly home on the 13th).
>
> If any Roman or Neopolitan Nova Romans in the vicinity would like
to get
> together for lunch/dinner/cappuccino etc. please give us a ring at
our
> hotel (don't know our room #'s yet) or drop me an e-mail at
> *adrian.gunn@g...* - I will try to check that e-mail daily at the
> hotel.
>
> Arrivederci!
>
> Gaius Minucius Hadrianus et Octavia Minucia Sabina
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34668 From: Titus Iulius Sabinus Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: Felix
AVE HONOURABLES !

Indeed, congrats for this time. But the next...
I like that ! And all what it means a open mind.

OPTIME VALE,
IVL SABINVS


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato"
<mlcinnyc@y...> wrote:
>
> G. Equitius Cato Q. Lanio Paulino Felico S.P.D.
>
> Salve Lanius Felix!
>
> Congrats on your feline-like agility :-)
>
> Vale bene,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
> Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> >
> > Salvete omnes,
> >
> > Ah, that post reminds me: I got a new Roman nick name from the
guys
> > in the oil patch. This winter I was setting up my geophysical
> > equipment on top of some oil rig buildings and I do not
particularily
> > like hights. I got the job done but moved "very" slowly and
> > cautiously ... like a snail as a matter of fact. Admiring my
speed and
> > agility up there the rig crews have nick named me " Felix "
after the
> > cartoon cat. So be it!
> >
> > Quintus Lanius Paulinus Felix!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34669 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: Felix
Salvete gentlemen,

Thanks for your good wishes. I am checking things out with our
censors to see if I can add the name since there are rules and
protocals with Roman name adjustments to follow. I'll let you know
what transpires!

Quintus Lanius Paulinus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Titus Iulius Sabinus"
<iulius_sabinus@y...> wrote:
>
> AVE HONOURABLES !
>
> Indeed, congrats for this time. But the next...
> I like that ! And all what it means a open mind.
>
> OPTIME VALE,
> IVL SABINVS
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato"
> <mlcinnyc@y...> wrote:
> >
> > G. Equitius Cato Q. Lanio Paulino Felico S.P.D.
> >
> > Salve Lanius Felix!
> >
> > Congrats on your feline-like agility :-)
> >
> > Vale bene,
> >
> > Cato
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus
(Michael
> > Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Salvete omnes,
> > >
> > > Ah, that post reminds me: I got a new Roman nick name from
the
> guys
> > > in the oil patch. This winter I was setting up my geophysical
> > > equipment on top of some oil rig buildings and I do not
> particularily
> > > like hights. I got the job done but moved "very" slowly and
> > > cautiously ... like a snail as a matter of fact. Admiring my
> speed and
> > > agility up there the rig crews have nick named me " Felix "
> after the
> > > cartoon cat. So be it!
> > >
> > > Quintus Lanius Paulinus Felix!
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34670 From: Flavia Scholastica Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: Felix
Salve, Quinte Lani Pauline, et salvete, omnes!


> Salvete gentlemen,
>
> Thanks for your good wishes. I am checking things out with our
> censors to see if I can add the name since there are rules and
> protocals with Roman name adjustments to follow. I'll let you know
> what transpires!
>
I fear that you'll be out of luck on that--'Felix' is one of the
agnomina of distinction which must be awarded by the Senate, if memory
serves.

> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
Flavia Tullia Scholastica
Scriba Censoris Gnaei Equiti Marini

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Titus Iulius Sabinus"
> <iulius_sabinus@y...> wrote:
>>
>> AVE HONOURABLES !
>>
>> Indeed, congrats for this time. But the next...
>> I like that ! And all what it means a open mind.
>>
>> OPTIME VALE,
>> IVL SABINVS
>>
>>
>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato"
>> <mlcinnyc@y...> wrote:
>>>
>>> G. Equitius Cato Q. Lanio Paulino Felico S.P.D.
>>>
>>> Salve Lanius Felix!
>>>
>>> Congrats on your feline-like agility :-)
>>>
>>> Vale bene,
>>>
>>> Cato
>>>
>>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus
> (Michael
>>> Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Salvete omnes,
>>>>
>>>> Ah, that post reminds me: I got a new Roman nick name from
> the
>> guys
>>>> in the oil patch. This winter I was setting up my geophysical
>>>> equipment on top of some oil rig buildings and I do not
>> particularily
>>>> like hights. I got the job done but moved "very" slowly and
>>>> cautiously ... like a snail as a matter of fact. Admiring my
>> speed and
>>>> agility up there the rig crews have nick named me " Felix "
>> after the
>>>> cartoon cat. So be it!
>>>>
>>>> Quintus Lanius Paulinus Felix!
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34671 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: Felix
Salve Flavia Scholastica,

I just found that possibility out earlier; mind you in the oil patch
I seemed to have earned it and will have it forever out there!
Anyway there'll be no hard feelings if I don't get it within NR.
Well that's the beauty of this organization - you learn something
new every day!

Regards,

QLP




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Flavia Scholastica <fororom@l...>
wrote:
> Salve, Quinte Lani Pauline, et salvete, omnes!
>
>
> > Salvete gentlemen,
> >
> > Thanks for your good wishes. I am checking things out with our
> > censors to see if I can add the name since there are rules and
> > protocals with Roman name adjustments to follow. I'll let you
know
> > what transpires!
> >
> I fear that you'll be out of luck on that--'Felix' is one of
the
> agnomina of distinction which must be awarded by the Senate, if
memory
> serves.
>
> > Quintus Lanius Paulinus
> >
> Flavia Tullia Scholastica
> Scriba Censoris Gnaei Equiti Marini
>
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Titus Iulius Sabinus"
> > <iulius_sabinus@y...> wrote:
> >>
> >> AVE HONOURABLES !
> >>
> >> Indeed, congrats for this time. But the next...
> >> I like that ! And all what it means a open mind.
> >>
> >> OPTIME VALE,
> >> IVL SABINVS
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato"
> >> <mlcinnyc@y...> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> G. Equitius Cato Q. Lanio Paulino Felico S.P.D.
> >>>
> >>> Salve Lanius Felix!
> >>>
> >>> Congrats on your feline-like agility :-)
> >>>
> >>> Vale bene,
> >>>
> >>> Cato
> >>>
> >>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus
> > (Michael
> >>> Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Salvete omnes,
> >>>>
> >>>> Ah, that post reminds me: I got a new Roman nick name from
> > the
> >> guys
> >>>> in the oil patch. This winter I was setting up my geophysical
> >>>> equipment on top of some oil rig buildings and I do not
> >> particularily
> >>>> like hights. I got the job done but moved "very" slowly and
> >>>> cautiously ... like a snail as a matter of fact. Admiring my
> >> speed and
> >>>> agility up there the rig crews have nick named me " Felix "
> >> after the
> >>>> cartoon cat. So be it!
> >>>>
> >>>> Quintus Lanius Paulinus Felix!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
-----------
> >
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34672 From: Sextus Apollonius Scipio Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Edictum Propraetoricium XXIX - Gallia
Edictum Propraetoricium XXIX

Ex Officio Propraetoris Galliae

About the Edicta still valid

I hereby declare the validity of the Edicta Propraetoricium:

Je d�clare ici la validit� des Edicta Propraetoricium:

EP I : non valid
EP II: non valid
EP III: non valid
EP IV: non valid
EP V: valid
EP VI: valid
EP VII: non valid
EP VIII: non valid
EP IX: non valid
EP X: non valid
EP XI: valid
EP XII: valid
EP XIII: valid
EP XIV: valid
EP XV: valid
EP XVI: valid
EP XVII: valid
EP XVIII: valid
EP XIX: valid
EP XX: non valid
EP XXI: valid
EP XXII: valid
EP XXIII: valid
EP XXIV: valid
EP XXV: valid
EP XXVI: valid

Given in Lutetia April the 7, Year 2005 of the current Era, in the year of the consulship
of Franciscus Apulus Caesar and Gaius Popillius Laenas


Sextus Apollonius Scipio

Propraetor Galliae



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34673 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Certamen Historicum - No5
Our Certamen draws to an end: but endgame starts now
for the first place!!!!!


CN CORNELIVS LENTVLVS QVIRITIBVS SALVTEM DICIT:
Avete, Quirites, in the name of Aedilis L. Iulius!

This is a Historical Contest not only for historians
but also for everyone who loves Roman history!
Here follows the 5th question for our Certamen
Historicum:


QUAESTIO N°5 – Ludi scaenici in honour of Magna Mater
were held in 194 BC for the first time. Who were the
Curule Aediles ordering these theatrical games which
became then the most important part of Ludi
Megalenses?



It's not important if you haven't done yesterday: you
can begin now!!! We are waiting for you answers, and
remember that you have just to write at the following
email:
cnaeus_cornelius@...

Here are the rules of Certamen Historicum:
http://www.cohorssullana.grafosystem.ro/rules.htm


VALETE QVAM OPTIME!
Happy Megalesia-Days!

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
Scriba Ludorum - Aed. L. Iulii Sullae
Undecimvir ad Diploma Sodalitatis Latinitatis Retractandum
Propraetor Pannoniae




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34674 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Cert. Historicum SOLUTION - No4 (and Temporary Cl
SOLUTION No4 and TEMPORARY CLASSIFICATION No4 for the
Historical Contest

CN CORNELIUS LENTULUS QUIRITIBUS SPD:


Here follows the correct answer for the 4rd
question of our Certamen. (The classifications are
hereinafter!)


I. THE SOLUTION No4

QUAESTIO N°4 – Who was Claudia Quinta and why is she
important to the Megalesia?

RESPONSUM N°4 – Claudia Quinta was a vestal virgine,
who's reputation had been questioned because she had
previously been falsely accused of breaking her holy
vows. She was among the Matrons of Rome who received
the Goddess arriving at Ostia. When the ship with the
statue of Cybele arrived from Pessinus, it became
stuck at the mouth of the Tiber and resisted all
attempts to free it. Claudia Quinta waded into the
waters, shoo'd off the men and pulled the ship free by
herself according to the legend. Thus she restored
her reputation.

This is the legend of Claudia Quinta narrated by Ovid:

(The ship with the statue of Magna Mater)
Â’Â…had arrived at Ostia where the Tiber divides
To meet the deep, and flows with a wider sweep:
All the Knights, grave Senators, and commoners,
Came to meet her at the mouth of the Tuscan river.
With them walked mothers, daughters, and brides,
And all those virgins who tend the sacred hearths.
The men wearied their arms hauling hard on the ropes:
(Â…)
Yet the ship lodged there, like an island fixed in
mid-ocean:
And astonished at the portent, men stood and quaked.
Claudia Quinta traced her descent from noble Clausus,
And her beauty was in no way unequal to her nobility:
She was chaste, but not believed so: hostile rumour
Had wounded her, false charges were levelled at her:
Her elegance, promenading around in various
hairstyles,
And her ready tongue, with stiff old men, counted
against her.
Conscious of virtue, she laughed at the rumoured lies,
But weÂ’re always ready to credit others with faults.
Now, when sheÂ’d stepped from the line of chaste women,
Taking pure river water in her hands, she wetted her
head
Three times, three times lifted her palms to the sky,
(Everyone watching her thought sheÂ’d lost her mind)
Then, kneeling, fixed her eyes on the goddessÂ’s
statue,
And, with loosened hair, uttered these words:
“ Kind and fruitful Mother of the Gods, accept
A suppliantÂ’s prayers, on this one condition:
They deny IÂ’m chaste: let me be guilty if you condemn
me:
Convicted by a goddess IÂ’ll pay for it with my life.
But if IÂ’m free of guilt, grant a pledge of my
innocence
By your action: and, chaste, give way to my chaste
hands.”
She spoke: then gave a slight pull at the rope,
(A wonder, but the sacred drama attests what I say):
The goddess stirred, followed, and, following,
approved her:
Witness the sound of jubilation carried to the stars.
They came to a bend in the river (called of old
The Halls of Tiber): there the stream turns left,
ascending.
Night fell: they tied the rope to an oak stump,
And, having eaten, settled to a tranquil sleep.
Dawn rose: they loosed the rope from the oak stump,
After first laying a fire and offering incense,
And crowned the stern, and sacrificed a heifer
Free of blemish, that had never known yoke or bull.
ThereÂ’s a place where smooth-flowing Almo joins the
Tiber,
And the lesser flow loses its name in the greater:
There, a white-headed priest in purple robes
Washed the Lady, and sacred relics, in AlmoÂ’s water.
The attendants howled, and the mad flutes blew,
And soft hands beat at the bullÂ’s-hide drums.
Claudia walked in front with a joyful face,
Her chastity proven by the goddessÂ’s testimony:
The goddess herself, sitting in a cart, entered the
Capene Gate:
Fresh flowers were scattered over the yoked oxen.
Nasica received her... (Ovid, Fasti, IV. 291-347)Â’




II. TEMPORARY CLASSIFICATION
(The rules of Certamen Historicum:
http://www.cohorssullana.grafosystem.ro/rules.htm)

Now Cato has become a nem probably winner!!! He forges
ahead nearer and nearer to the first place! But our
studious Tullia Scholastica and Sempronia Magna top
the historians' list still! Let's go, C.Equitius!
Hotrensia and Albucius has retrograded to the 4rd
place recently... Do they give up the race
indeed??!!... Marinus: he stands all the fair chances
to the victory!!! The girls or Marinus: who is the
best historian in Nova Roma :-) ?

1. Flavia Tullia Valeria Scholastica 8 pts
1. Iulilla Sempronia Magna 8 pts

2. Cn. Equitius Marinus 7 pts

3. C. Equitius Cato 6 pts

4. Marca Hortensia Maior 4 pts
4. P. Memmius Albucius 4 pts

5. Iulia Cybele 2 pts


Come on, let's go, historians!!!
The endgame starts now!!!!!!

VALETE QVAM OPTIME!
Happy Megalesia-Days!

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
Scriba Ludorum - Aed. L. Iulii Sullae
Undecimvir ad Diploma Sodalitatis Latinitatis Retractandum
Propraetor Pannoniae




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34675 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
---Salve Peter!

It's all good. I just didn't want you thinking that I was
attempting to convey a judgemental and negative attitude. I'm glad
we have the air cleared.

Welcome to the forum, by the way.

Vale
Pompeia (or Po for short) :)


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Bird" <p.bird@n...> wrote:
> Salve bene Pompeia –
>
> My apologies – I did not mean in any way to imply that you had
accused me of
> anything – far from it! It was just that someone mentioned that I
had
> mentioned Pius XII, whereas all I had added to the thread was a
few comments
> on contemporary liturgical practice! So I apologise if you thought
I was
> being in any way unpleasant – not my intention at all.
>
> Indeed, what Cassius had to say in his post was most enlightening.
I did
> read `Hitler's Pope' myself and was convinced by the end of it
that the
> author had carefully selected his sources in order to condemn
Pius. The
> whole era – particularly with the secrecy prevalent in the
Vatican – will
> probably never be properly understood, nor can we make current
judgments on
> a terrifying situation and papal reactions to it which we have
never been
> through ourselves. It is possible that Pius kept quiet in order to
avoid
> more Nazi wrath bearing down on the Church – after all, if the
Nazis had
> taken the Vatican he would have felt personally responsible. The
Church too
> in those days was a very different entity than it is today.
>
> Now we wonder what kind of pope we will get next! Has anyone
looked at the
> various papabili and come up with any predictions?
>
>
>
> Vale optime
>
> Peter
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia
[mailto:pompeia_minucia_tiberia@y...]
> Sent: 07 April 2005 13:33
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
>
>
>
>
> ---Salve Peter:
>
> I do not believe that I accused anyone of anything, with
respect.As
> a Catholic I had not read alot of things Cassius furnished in his
> post. I agreed with his point, and he provided information and
> quotes I was not familiar with.
>
> I am in fact encouraged by his post because, a 'quiet' approach
can
> be considered a 'non approach', and I think this has been the
> prevailing consensus on the actions of the RC church toward the
> plight of the Jews. Good to know that more was done than I for one
> realized.
>
> I also said that I was enjoying the discussion and reading the
> various perspectives. If you thought this was a rebound attack on
> you for some reason, I do apologize.
>
> Pompeia
>
>
>
>
> In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Bird" <p.bird@n...> wrote:
> >
> > Hey, I was not the one who accused Pius XII of anti-Semitism! It
> was just
> > that the comment I posted on modern liturgical practice happened
> to be in
> > the same thread! I agree wholeheartedly with Quintus Cassius –
> indeed, the
> > whole situation of the Vatican vis-à-vis the Nazis in the Second
> World War
> > is enormously complex and entails many delicate issues. I think
> most
> > historians may agree that Pius (particularly given his fondness
> for Germany
> > in the 1930s) may well have been attracted by the autocratic
> nature of the
> > German regime at first inasmuch as it coincided with his own
> concept of
> > authority, but he was a saintly man who hated violence and
cruelty
> from any
> > source. Perhaps at first he was a little naïve, but as he grew
to
> realise
> > the horror of the Nazis – and had to protect his church in
> Germany – he
> > worked behind the scenes, so to speak, to ensure the survival of
> the
> > greatest number that he could. In the end, though, he knew he
had
> to speak
> > out, and this is what led to the encyclical "Mit brennende
Sorge".
> I hardly
> > think that the late pope would have set him in line for
> canonisation if
> > there were any doubt at all about his saintliness.
> >
> > Peter
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia
> [mailto:pompeia_minucia_tiberia@y...]
> > Sent: 07 April 2005 04:09
> > To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---P. Minucia Tiberia Quinto Cassio Calvo S.P.D.
> >
> > This is an interesting thread. I'm enjoying the posts conveying
> > various perspectives. Cassius, I am very impressed with your
well-
> > presented and informative post below. I was not aware of the
> > payment out of the Vatican treasury, for example. And I had not
> read
> > those quotes before, to be honest.
> >
> > And you have a sharp point, in that a loud noise in those times
> for
> > an unpopular cause might well have proved to be the last sounds
> one
> > would make....except for maybe the screams during one's
execution.
> > And when the things you say and do potentially determine the
fate
> of
> > hundreds to thousands, it stands to reason you act cautiously
and
> > quietly.
> >
> > Another consideration is that potential looting and/or
destruction
> > of many parts (or all) of the Vatican would have been carried
out
> in
> > a heartbeat I'm sure, if certain authorities felt it was
> > necessary...... Hey,the temple of Jerusalem was destroyed in 70
AD
> > for similar reasons: the unifying pinnacle of those considered
by
> > Domitian to be a zealous threat to the empire.
> >
> > Another unfortunate example of 'might' makes 'right'
> >
> > Valete
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "quintuscassiuscalvus"
> <richmal@c...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Bird" <p.bird@n...>
> wrote:
> > > > And Pope Pius XII has been accused of anti-semitism. There
is
> > > little doubt
> > > > now that he did not do all he could have done, and had the
> > power
> > > to do, to
> > > > help many Jews escape the terrors the Nazis inflicted on
> them.
> > In
> > > fact, he
> > > > chastised the priests and nuns who did help them. Hardly a
> good
> > > example.
> > >
> > > Salve,
> > >
> > > Pope Pius the XII is a victim of "revisionist history" that
> > started
> > > in 1963 with the play, "The Deputy" by the German playwright,
> Rolf
> > > Hochhuth.
> > >
> > > Pope Pius the XII did come down hard on the the Nazis early
on.
> > The
> > > Nazi response was to increase the persecution of the Jews and
> > target
> > > outspoken priests and nuns with extermination. As a result
Pius
> > > wisely decided that the only way to actually be of any
> assistance
> > > the Jews and resist facism was to do so clandestinely. That
is
> > the
> > > reason he told the priests and nuns to keep quiet. You can't
> run
> > a
> > > clandestine operation if people are shouting from the roof
tops
> > > about it.
> > >
> > > One has to remember that during the war the Vatican was
> completely
> > > surrounded by the Fascists. Pius had a choice, he could make
a
> > > bold statement that would be great for show but produce no
real
> > > result other than his own death and the deaths of others
working
> > to
> > > keep Jews out of Nazi hands, or he could do as much as he
could
> in
> > > silence without a paper trail.
> > >
> > > On April 28, 1935 then Cardinal Pacelli (the future Pius XII)
> > said
> > > at Lourdes, France of the Nazis, "are in reality only
miserable
> > > plagiarists who dress up old errors with new tinsel. It does
not
> > > make any difference whether they flock to the banners of
social
> > > revolution, whether they are guided by a false concept of the
> > world
> > > and of life, or whether they are possessed by the superstition
> of
> > a
> > > race and blood cult."
> > >
> > > In 1937 then Cardinal Pacelli wrote the encycilal "Mit
> Brennender
> > > Sorge" which denounced the Nazis.
> > >
> > > The Vatican hid several thousand Italian Jews after the Nazi
> > > invasion of Italy in 1943. In September of 1943 the Nazi
> > > commanders demanded 100 lbs of gold or 300 Jews would get it.
> The
> > > Jews of Rome could only come up with 70 lbs of gold. Then
Chief
> > > Rabbi Zolli writes in his memoirs that he was smuggled into
the
> > > Vatican as an "engineer to help with a construction problem"
to
> > > deceive the Gestapo guards There he met with the Vatican
> > Secretary
> > > of State who informed him that the Holy Father was paying the
> > > deficit out of the Vatican treasury.
> > >
> > > "It is not easy for us to find the right words to express the
> > warmth
> > > and consolation we experienced because of the concern of the
> > supreme
> > > pontiff, who offered a large sum to relieve the sufferings of
> > > deported Jews. . . . The Jews of Romania will never forget
these
> > > facts of historic importance." -- Rabbi Safran of Bucharest,
> > Romania
> > > note to papal nuncio April 7, 1944
> > >
> > > "The people of Israel will never forget what His Holiness and
> his
> > > illustrious delegates, inspired by the eternal principles of
> > > religion which form the very foundations of true civilization,
> are
> > > doing for us unfortunate brothers and sisters in the most
tragic
> > > hour of our history, which is living proof of divine
Providence
> in
> > > this world." --Isaac Herzog, Chief Rabbi of Jerusalem,
February
> > 28,
> > > 1944
> > >
> > > I'm far more inclined to give creedance to the words of Chief
> > Rabbi
> > > Zolli (who subsequently converted taking the baptismal name
> Eugeno
> > > in honor of Pope Pius' own baptismal name Eugeno), Rabbi
Safran,
> > > Chief Rabbi Herzog and other Jewish leaders that were Pius'
> > > contempories than that of historical revisionists that
weren't
> > > there and have an anti-Catholic agenda.
> > >
> > > The historical revisionists seem to think that Pope Pius XII
> could
> > > have waved a magic wand and made it all better. There was no
> > magic
> > > wand and Pius knew it (and the revisionists know it as well).
> > Pius
> > > and his Church did as much as they could the best that they
> could
> > to
> > > save as many as they could under extraordinarily impossible
> > > circumstances.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Q. Cassius Calvus
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> >
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34676 From: pompeia_minucia_tiberia Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Fwd: Ludi Megalesia Rhetorical Poetry Contest
--- In Cohors_Sullana@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_minucia_tiberia"
<pompeia_minucia_tiberia@y...> wrote:

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "pompeia_minucia_tiberia"
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Attention Rhetoricians!
Attention Poets!
Attention Political Patrons and Sympathetics!

By the imperium of Lucius Iulius Sulla Curule Aedile in this annum
2758 A.U.C. during the Ludi Megalesia in honour of the Magna Mater,
divine heroin of Rome......we bring you what is sure to posture as
a most unique and scintilating literary experience....in this year's
Rhetorical Poetry Contest

Here is your opportunity to be officially recognized for your hidden
ideas and talents!!

Credit where credit is due!!! At last!!!

Quirites:
Have you sometimes felt that your long-laboured posts to the Main
Forum... yunno, the ones delivered to the magistrates, senatores,
scribae and accensi in question are 'tossed off' like wilted lettuce
from a salad...or perhaps..well... even 'ignored'?

Do you feel like a 'ghost-writer' sometimes?

Do you feel as though you are under the Curse of Cassandra...to
prophesy the truth, yet never to be believed?

Do you feel that, while certain officials are dispelling what you
can only conclude is 'hot air', you are busy articulating an
affidavit affirming an afflatus, to narry an apparent avail?


Well, here is your chance to get out the old parchment and stylus,
dust the writing table, and author a message that is sure to be
noticed and appreciated.

***********

In this competition you will:

DIScuss the magistrate, senator, scriba, accensus who has perhaps
not taken you and your excellent solutions 'seriously' enough in the
past

You may write him or her a love note or a Shakespearian
Sonnet...some other time in some other contest someplace else....OK?

Feel free to DIScuss your beefs, pet peeves, frustrations with:

His or her policy or policies in the capacity of said official
position

His or her writing style on the mainlist....too long? too
short?...too boring (yawn), repetitive, multisyllabled...maybe the
same old blah cliches and played lines over and over.......perhaps
they've made a teensy weensy little boo boo somewhere along the line
that deserves a line or two of lighthearted 'recognition'...hmm?

Be as creative as you wish!! ......BUT what must be written must be
*true*, must not contain adhominem (personal) attacks, namecalling
and the like. Entries with content contrary to the Leges Salicia,
current religious decreta, the constitutional language on civility
of forums, and/or the Yahoo!terms of service will be DISmissed. If
an entry infringes on any of the above, contestants will be notified
and an opportunity to amend their entry will be afforded them.

We shall not DIScuss religious officials and this includes former
and current magistrates who are also religious officials. Matter of
fact, we won't DIScuss religion at all :)

And we shall not DIS the members of the Jury of judges in this
contest.

***********

What's the Catch?

Judging Criteria for Entry


Entry must be 8-14 lines long (mandatory criteria: 5 points for the
first 8 lines and one point for each line up to 14 lines)

It must rhyme (maximum 10 points)

It must have good poetic beat (not necessarily the type of beat but
the consistency throughout the work...maximum 10 points)

It must be humourous (maximum 10 points)

Wordplay...puns, metaphors, cliches (maximum 5 points)

Accuracy of Content (calling someone an aedile when they are in fact
are or were a Quaestor is not accurate..maximum 5 points)

Roman Content (maximum 5 points)

All entries must be posted to Trog99@s... (trog99atshawdotca) on
or before April 8 2400 Roman time for rating by the jury. Please
direct any questions about this competition to this address as well.

***********

Who are the Jurors?

Well, some of the finest poets rhetoricians, scholars, commentators
and deliberators among the citizenry of Nova Roma!

Lucius Iulius Sulla Curule Aedile
Salvia Sempronia Graccha
Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbarus
Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus

We will be posting entries on a separate site or board to be enjoyed
by all... and of course the names of the winners...first, second,
and if numbers indicate, third place...we'll keep you informed!

Maybe you'd like to write that *special* official you intend to
DIScuss so that he or she may engage in a rebuttal of sorts!

Send your entries anytime up to April 8 2400 Roma time, and Bona
Fortuna!
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34677 From: publiusalbucius Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Re: LUDI MEGALENSES - Certamen Historicum - No5
P. Memmius Albucius s.d.

S.V.G.E.R.

> QUAESTIO N°5 – Ludi scaenici in honour of Magna Mater
> were held in 194 BC for the first time. Who were the
> Curule Aediles ordering these theatrical games which
> became then the most important part of Ludi
> Megalenses?



ANSWER : Aulus Atilius Serranus and Lucius Scribonius Libo

Vale,


PMA
Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34678 From: Sextus Octavius Date: 2005-04-07
Subject: Same Octavius Verus, new e-mail
Salvete Omines!

To better filter my personal and Nova Roma emails, I
have split my accounts. This is my new account
strictly for Nova Roma.

Valete,
S. Octavius Verus



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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34680 From: Salix Cantaber Date: 2005-04-08
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Circus Races - quarters D
Salvete quirites.

Fourth race of Quartes:

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Quarters Round D

The Games have not finished today! Since the scarce participation in these games doesn't allow the celebration of a fourth race in the Quarters, the judges they have decided to carry out a second chance test for those teams that have not achieved the classification. This generates some protests among the proprietors of the chariots that they have been classified rightfully, but their protests have been underrated. To have a second opportunity is not an advantage since it also supposes a second opportunity to have an accident. Therefore gets ready the hint for the fourth and last race again. Naturally the spectators are charmed with which the show continues and many bet again to make up for of their previous losses or for the simple satisfaction of seeing win to its team and favorite color. The following teams will be again in the exit line:

Quadriga: Vita Brevis
Aurigator: Petronius Gnipho
Factio: Russata
Dominus: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus

Quadriga: Celer Furiousqve
Aurigtor: Aristeus Atrox
Factio: Russata
Dominus: Lucius Arminius Faustus

Quadriga: Inexpugnabilis III
Aurigator: Euthymus
Factio: Praesina
Dominus: Caius Curius Saturninus

Quadriga: Fiamma Rossa
Aurigator: Marcus Eguvinus
Factio: Russata
Dominus: Marcus Iulius Perusianus

It's late and the Sun declines quickly, so it's necessary to be suseful the last hour of sun before closing the day of Games. The own Aedil Curul Iulius Sulla takes charge of giving the starting sign.

The departure is excellent, the best in the day! The speed of Fiamma Rossa even astonishes his followers that scream delighted and they are willing to forgive Marcus Eguvinus his bad previous race. Inexpugnabilis III have also made one of the best start in their history, but only it's good him to obtain the second place but with so a couple of heads late in front of speedy red chariot. It's incredible, there's a third team in the fight to leadership. is Celer Furiousqve, of the Red factio that he tries to be placed in the interior area of the hint and obtain the easiest trajectory. Get it! They introduce their horses between the wall and the Green chariot and he has the whole straight line before curve although it supposes a danger of being contained if their rival make a violent maneuver. But in the quadriga's races almost everything is allowed! Finally we see Vita Brevis that has begun in a calmed way. We don't know if he has had some problems or if he's awaiting seeing the race developement to hurry in the last laps. Their followers trust in the abilities of Petronius Gnipho.

Definitively, this is the best race in the games. Inexpugnabilis III fight bloodily with Fiamma Rossa until touching the tragedy. Both are even and in the first curve they are hindered mutually: Inexpugnabilis enters for the interior with the Fiamma is forced to rectify the trajectory to avoid the crash. However the ability of red charioteer salvo the situation for this time. Aristeus Atrox wait in the third position but it is undecided to near being introduced in the fight. Vita Brevis takes with a lot of calm and its step is constant, reserving the force of the horses for the finish time: it's a risk tactic but in many occasions it has been conquering. The patience is a great virtue.

The last phase of the race promises to be touching. The fight for the victory is thing of three chariots, two Red against one Green. In the fifth turn they are not still clear the positions, Inexpugnabilis stays hit Fiamma and it even advances him in occasions but in a constant exchange of positions that it expands the happiness and the emotion for all the spectators of the Circus. The expectation is maximum because an accident can take place in any moment that the white followers want because his team has an opportunity to be classified. At the moment the behavior of the charioteers is perfect, no dirty tactics neither attack the rivals except for habitual maneuvers of blocking the rival's trajectory to avoid advancements.

Already comes closer the last turn and the public screaming with passions encouraging his team. Fiamma Rossa continues in first position but it's not able to take off Inexpugnabilis III that it pursues him like a shadow. Celer Furiousqve is all race trying to advance Inexpugnabilis, but it has been impossible since each intent is counteracted by a maneuver of Euthymus. The three are arriving to the last curve and to go last straight line's race. Is the last opportunity! Euthymus shakes the reins hopelessly demanding a titanic effort to horses. It seeks to be introduced by the interior part of the turn to achieve the good trajectory and to win the race: he doesn't want to conform to with a vulgar second position although it supposes also to be classified. Get it for scarce inches! and Marcus Eguvinus should opt to leave him or to contain against the wall and to cause the accident of both. An energetic blow of reins causes that the horses of Fiamma Rossa bolts and the quadriga veers for the exterior of the hint. and this is taken advantage of in way opportunist by Inexpugnabilis that is placed in head of the race. Aristeus Atrox feels as the Gods they have listened his prayer and takes advantage of that Inexpugnabilis also has been destabilized by the maneuver of Fiamma: he cannot make anything to aid their partner but he glimpses the exact hole to place their horses and immediately whip they demand them the last effort until the goal. Unfortunately the last straight line is not enough space so that Fiamma Rossa is able to hurry to recover the lost distance, it's even threatened by Vita Brevis whose horses have not been in the fight and they arrive with less wornout power. Therefore, the result is clear and overwhelming.

1º - Celer Furiousqve and Aristeus Atrox (factio RUSSATA) - CLASSIFIED
2º - Inexpugnabilis III and Euthymus (factio PRAESINA) - CLASSIFIED

3º - Vita Brevis and Petronius Gnipho (factio ALBATA) - ELIMINATED
4º - Fiamma Rossa and Marcus Eguvinus (factio RUSSATA) - ELIMINATED

Congratulation to those classified!

It has been an excellent race and the Gods have been generous today avoiding all accidents.

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Vale.

Q. Salix Cantaber Uranicus
Scriba Aedilis Ludorum.


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34681 From: Maxima Date: 2005-04-08
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
"Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@...> wrote:

<<Salvete omnes,

Something else to keep in mind about the Vatican over the last 80 years. It has no army, navy or airforce and can only fire barrages of spiritual ammunition. The Pontifex Maximus can and does advise the world's political leaders not to wage to war and commit genocide but if these leaders choose not to listen, then there is nothing more he can do.>>

Salve, Quintus Lanius Paulinus

You are so correct with regard to the world's leaders. Pope John Paul II was very critical of President Bush and the war in Iraq, but that didn't stop Bush.
However, the people are another story, and judging by the turnout at today's funeral, especially by young people, and considering the growth of the Catholic Church in Third World countries, the Pope's influence is felt, albeit, indirectly.
Which makes Pope John Paul II's successful part in bringing down communism all the more remarkable.
Still, that was more about being the right person in the right place at the right time. It remains to be seen if his successor can keep that level of influence going. Should be interesting to watch.

Bene vale

Maxima Valeria Messallina

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34682 From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) Date: 2005-04-08
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Salve Maxima Valeria Mesallina,

Agreed! I watched the funeral the wee hours of this morning and must
say I have never seen anything like it in my life time and I was
very moving.
My complements to the Italian government, the city of Rome and the
Vatican on their terrific work and organization, especially with
such short notice. The great behavior and order of the masses will
certainly be legendary.

Regards,

QLP



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima <violetphearsen@y...> wrote:
>
> "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
>
> <<Salvete omnes,
>
> Something else to keep in mind about the Vatican over the last 80
years. It has no army, navy or airforce and can only fire barrages
of spiritual ammunition. The Pontifex Maximus can and does advise
the world's political leaders not to wage to war and commit genocide
but if these leaders choose not to listen, then there is nothing
more he can do.>>
>
> Salve, Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
> You are so correct with regard to the world's leaders. Pope John
Paul II was very critical of President Bush and the war in Iraq, but
that didn't stop Bush.
> However, the people are another story, and judging by the turnout
at today's funeral, especially by young people, and considering the
growth of the Catholic Church in Third World countries, the Pope's
influence is felt, albeit, indirectly.
> Which makes Pope John Paul II's successful part in bringing down
communism all the more remarkable.
> Still, that was more about being the right person in the right
place at the right time. It remains to be seen if his successor can
keep that level of influence going. Should be interesting to watch.
>
> Bene vale
>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
>
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34683 From: Salix Cantaber Date: 2005-04-08
Subject: Fw: Quarters D - Ludi Circenses
Salvete

Oh! Sorry!

I have make an error in the narration of race.

The chariot Vita Brevis, driven by Petronius Gnipho, belongs to the team ALBATA and not to the factio RUSSATA

Thanks to Cassia Silvana to notice me of my error.

Vale.

Q. Salix Cantaber


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34684 From: Peter Bird Date: 2005-04-08
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Salvete

I watched the entire funeral - it was a 'proper' mass, reverent, dignified
and beautiful. The colours and sights and music and plainchant, and the
beautiful old Latin all combined to make it a moving and memorable
experience. The Litany of the Saints at the end took me back 40 years into
the realms of nostalgia, and to have the Eastern patriarchs with their
moving Greek and Syriac prayers over the coffin was a beautiful and
universal touch. It all goes to show how well the Catholic Church can
produce such moments when it really wants to.

Johannes Paulus II PP in pace aeterna requiescat.



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Sent: 08 April 2005 18:07
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus




Salve Maxima Valeria Mesallina,

Agreed! I watched the funeral the wee hours of this morning and must
say I have never seen anything like it in my life time and I was
very moving.
My complements to the Italian government, the city of Rome and the
Vatican on their terrific work and organization, especially with
such short notice. The great behavior and order of the masses will
certainly be legendary.

Regards,

QLP



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima <violetphearsen@y...> wrote:
>
> "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:
>
> <<Salvete omnes,
>
> Something else to keep in mind about the Vatican over the last 80
years. It has no army, navy or airforce and can only fire barrages
of spiritual ammunition. The Pontifex Maximus can and does advise
the world's political leaders not to wage to war and commit genocide
but if these leaders choose not to listen, then there is nothing
more he can do.>>
>
> Salve, Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
> You are so correct with regard to the world's leaders. Pope John
Paul II was very critical of President Bush and the war in Iraq, but
that didn't stop Bush.
> However, the people are another story, and judging by the turnout
at today's funeral, especially by young people, and considering the
growth of the Catholic Church in Third World countries, the Pope's
influence is felt, albeit, indirectly.
> Which makes Pope John Paul II's successful part in bringing down
communism all the more remarkable.
> Still, that was more about being the right person in the right
place at the right time. It remains to be seen if his successor can
keep that level of influence going. Should be interesting to watch.
>
> Bene vale
>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
>
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> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34685 From: Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus Date: 2005-04-08
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Certamen Historicum - No 6
Our Certamen draws to an end: but endgame starts now
for the first place!!!!!


CN CORNELIVS LENTVLVS QVIRITIBVS SALVTEM DICIT:
Avete, Quirites, in the name of Aedilis L. Iulius!

This is a Historical Contest not only for historians
but also for everyone who loves Roman history!
Here follows the 6th question for our Certamen
Historicum:


QUAESTIO N°5 – Who was the Roman politician who
perturbed the Ludi Megalenses (accurately the ludi
scaenici) on divers occasions?


We are waiting for you answers, and remember that you
have just to write at the following
email:
cnaeus_cornelius@...

Here are the rules of Certamen Historicum:
http://www.cohorssullana.grafosystem.ro/rules.htm



VALETE QVAM OPTIME!
Happy Megalesia-Days!

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
Scriba Ludorum - Aed. L. Iulii Sullae
Undecimvir ad Diploma Sodalitatis Latinitatis Retractandum
Propraetor Pannoniae




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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34686 From: iulius sabinus Date: 2005-04-08
Subject: LUDI MEGALENSES - Munera Gladiatoria - The finals !
AVETE CIVES NOVAROMANI !



Today for the last time in Megalesia we have the gladiators.

The most waited fights: The Finals !

It�s a hot atmosphere here: truly volcanic and an enormous crowd came here to stand up for their favorites. Qualified are three gladiators so the fights will be a sort of mini tournament.



The three gladiators are:



The Secutor Superstes belonging to hon.Triarius.
The Retriarix Achillea belonging to hon. Hortensia Maior.
The Retiarus Master Webmaster belonging to hon. Saturninus.

The fights will take place in the following formula: 1vs2, 2vs3 and 3vs1.



In the first fight the protagonists are Superstes and Achillea.

This is the fight of the day, and it�s more fantastic than the final one: the one loved by women vs. their favorite.

Endless emotions, different opinions, enormous bets. Following the known ritual the Senior Aedile gives the signal to start. The trumpets sound, the quiet takes it�s place among the public and the gladiators make their steps forward to the arena. Ovations are heard when the gladiators salute the public. Three are entered but only one will be the winner ! Master Webmaster takes his place in the waiting room, while Achillea and Superstes remain face to face for combat. They don�t show any emotions and their self behavior shows two experienced gladiators.

Signal and the fight starts.

Superstes fights in defense while Achillea attacks furious making Superstes do wonders to stay on track. This one strafes and blocks the net and the trident not hearing the public who is cheering Achillea. What can we say except the epilogue? An epilogue that changes the course of the finals !

Achillea makes a mistake and allows Superstes to come close. This one doesn�t loose the opportunity and wounds Achillea and she can�t continue the fights in this tournament. On her face we read the disappointment. She really wanted to win. Even so it will be a lot of talking about her and her bravery. Superstes enter the final match much quicker than he expected.

Now we�ll have three hours of pause so the fights can continue in normal conditions.

To make the time pass quicker, from the Aedile order, are coming the wagons full of Falern. The crowd is resting and talks about the fights.

And now the Final Fight.

Superstes vs. Master Webmaster, Secutor vs. Retiarus, sword and shield vs. trident and net, defensive vs. intuition. That�s a fight that will be well disputed.

Living the moment the two gladiators enter the arena. They salute the crowd and then salute themselves. Signal and fight. Superstes defends himself and study his opponent Webmaster keeps the distance. Superstes knows very well this kind of fight. He manages the fight in his own style: he blocks well and strafes when it�s the time to do it. But webmaster is full of surprises, let�s don�t forget the semifinals. The sound of crossed steel fills the arena. Superstes keeps the distance and makes false attacks in the left wing and then in the right one. Webmaster, believing that he caught the move, launches the trident. But Superstes who has been waiting for this mistake, strafes and then shouting attacks. Webmaster tries to hit Superstes with the net but he hasn�t enough time to do that. He receives a powerful hit with Superstes� shield in the chest and falls down. Before he knows it Superstes� sword is near his neck.

The public has decided: the life of Webmaster will be spared. Both gladiators who fought impressive, salute the audience.

With Superstes winner and Triarus happy and wealthier Munera Gladiatoria finaly meets its end and I salute you and expect you all at the next ones.

Megalesia is following the course !



http://www.cohorssullana.grafosystem.ro



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IVL SABINVS

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34687 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2005-04-08
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
A. Apollonius Cordus omnibus sal.

> Yes, it was Titus. Titus passed away in 81. The
> temple was
> destroyed in 70. It was Titus who was in power, not
> yet his brother
> Domitian.

Just a side-note: remember that Titus wasn't actually
emperor in 70. His father Vespasian reigned from late
69 to 79; Titus had a very brief reign, 79-81;
Domitian from 81 to 96. The whole Flavian dynasty
conveniently rules from 69 to 96, very easy to
remember!

But Titus was in charge of the campaign in Judaea in
70: Vespasian had left him in command when he
(Vespasian) went to Rome to take the throne in 69. So
when the temple was destroyed Titus was in command but
Vespasian was in power.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34688 From: A. Apollonius Cordus Date: 2005-04-08
Subject: Absence
A. Apollonius Cordus omnibus sal.

Livia and I shall be away over the weekend visiting
our fellow-Britons Laureatus and Meridius.

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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34689 From: Maxima Date: 2005-04-08
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Salve, Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Oh, most definitely the people of Rome, the Vatican, the Italian government, police and all the different securities forces, and just everyone involved in this mammoth undertaking should give themselves a well deserved pat on the back for a job well done, and what a job it was! All those dignitaries, religious leaders, news people, camera people, and four million or so attendees, all crowded into one place and nothing happened other than what was planned. I hope they're all enjoying a good bottle of wine and toasting their success. Hopefully, a bonus comes in their next paychecks, too. They've earned it!

Bene vale

Maxima Valeria Messallina


"Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@...> wrote:

Salve Maxima Valeria Mesallina,

Agreed! I watched the funeral the wee hours of this morning and must say I have never seen anything like it in my life time and I was
very moving.
My complements to the Italian government, the city of Rome and the
Vatican on their terrific work and organization, especially with
such short notice. The great behavior and order of the masses will
certainly be legendary.

Regards,

QLP


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Group: Nova-Roma Message: 34690 From: Maxima Date: 2005-04-08
Subject: Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus
Salve, Peter

Wasn't that something to see all those different Eastern Church patriarchs? I've never seen some many all in one place at one time. It was wonderful.

I do have a query. Why do some wear such intricately decorated and colorful attire and crowns while others wear only black garb? One tall fellow, in black robes, wore a bright blue, square headdress with no veil covering over it. Thought that was interesting. Anyone know what Church he represents?

It would have been nice if they could have gotten them all in one picture, and then in the caption, say who they all were and what Church they were from.

Bene vale

Maxima Valeria Messallina


Peter Bird <p.bird@...> wrote:

Salvete

I watched the entire funeral - it was a 'proper' mass, reverent, dignified and beautiful. The colours and sights and music and plainchant, and the beautiful old Latin all combined to make it a moving and memorable experience. The Litany of the Saints at the end took me back 40 years into the realms of nostalgia, and to have the Eastern patriarchs with their moving Greek and Syriac prayers over the coffin was a beautiful and universal touch. It all goes to show how well the Catholic Church can produce such moments when it really wants to.

Johannes Paulus II PP in pace aeterna requiescat.



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