Salve, Peter

Wasn't that something to see all those different Eastern Church patriarchs? I've never seen some many all in one place at one time. It was wonderful.

I do have a query. Why do some wear such intricately decorated and colorful attire and crowns while others wear only black garb? One tall fellow, in black robes, wore a bright blue, square headdress with no veil covering over it. Thought that was interesting. Anyone know what Church he represents?

It would have been nice if they could have gotten them all in one picture, and then in the caption, say who they all were and what Church they were from.

Bene vale

Maxima Valeria Messallina


Peter Bird <p.bird@...> wrote:

Salvete

I watched the entire funeral - it was a 'proper' mass, reverent, dignified and beautiful. The colours and sights and music and plainchant, and the beautiful old Latin all combined to make it a moving and memorable experience. The Litany of the Saints at the end took me back 40 years into the realms of nostalgia, and to have the Eastern patriarchs with their moving Greek and Syriac prayers over the coffin was a beautiful and universal touch. It all goes to show how well the Catholic Church can produce such moments when it really wants to.

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G. Equitius Cato V. Valeriae Messalinae quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve et salvete.

I wasn't able to watch the funeral (I was at work), but I know that
the Patriarch of Constantinople, Metropolitan Kyrill of Russia, and
the head of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church were there. Other members
of the Roman Catholic clergy who follow the Eastern (or Byzantine)
Rite would dress similiarly to their Orthodox counterparts.

The proper dress of an Orthodox prelate is as follows:

PHELONION - this outer cloak has the same origin as the Roman
chasuble. Its very full form in the Byzantine usage is reminiscent of
the ancient paenula which gradually replaced the Roman toga as the
outer garment of the upper classes toward the close of the imperial
period. This ample vestment is often cut slightly up the front to
facilitate arm movements and is marked by a large cross on the back.

The SAKKOS that vestment proper to bishops which gradually replaced
their use of the phelonion. Directly copied from late imperial
regalia, it is a shorter tunic with ample sleeves and marked with a
cross on the back. It is worn over the sticharion or under-tunic.

The OMOPHORION - probably one of the most ancient of the bishop's
vestments with a strictly symbolic origin. Copied from the scarf of
office worn by the Roman Emperor and other officials, it identified
the bishop as head of the community. A large, long band of cloth it is
marked with crosses and is passed around the neck hanging in front and
behind. A "small" omophorion worn simply around the neck and hanging
in two pendants on the chest is sometimes worn in place of the large
one. The omophorion is worn by all Eastern bishops and by Western
metropolitans in an abbreviated form (the pallium).

The PECTORAL CROSS - In the Byzantine usage this is not a distinctive
emblem of bishops but may be worn by authorized priests as a sign of a
special honor or dignity. In the Russian usage all priests make use of
it. The bishop wears the pectoral cross in conjunction with the
Engolpion.

The ENGOLPIA - medallions depicting Christ and the Mother of God are a
distinctive sign of the Byzantine bishop. A metropolitan, archbishop
or patriarch usually wears two with the pectoral cross; a bishop
employs one.

The CROWN - the bishop's head covering, adapted from the imperial
regalia when the Byzantine clergy began assuming civil functions. The
crown is embroidered and bears small icons and is often surmounted by
a cross. Some archimandrites and archpriests, although not of
Episcopal character, have the right to the use of the crown.

The MANDYAS - or mantle is the monastic choir and processional cloak.
A bishop's mandyas is generally purple in color and is adorned by
icons of the four evangelists and by ornamental bands, suggesting the
streams of grace flowing through the bishop's ministry.

The KAMELAVKION - a cylindrical hat, usually with a small brim on top,
worn by the three orders of priesthood. Monks, bishops (since they
were monks) and certain dignitaries usually cover this hat with the
Epano-kamelavkion, the black monastic veil.

The EPIGONATION - a diamond-shaped ornament suspended by a cord from
the left shoulder and hanging at the right knee. It is properly a
bishop's vestment but is worn by some priests as a sign of dignity. It
probably originated in the imperial regalia as a sort of purse or bag
but now is purely ceremonial, marked with a cross and made of
cloth-covered cardboard.

Valete bene,

Cato

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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
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> Yes, it was Titus. Titus passed away in 81. The
> temple was
> destroyed in 70. It was Titus who was in power, not
> yet his brother
> Domitian.

When the temple was destroyed, Flavius Titus was in charge of the Roman army in Palestine.
Flavius Vespasian had left him in command after the successful battle at Cremona that finished
any hope that Vitellius would retain the throne and Vespasian was on his way to join the Army.
Flavius was just carrying out his father's orders, however, so it seems unfair to single him out.
SOP used by Romans against revolters was the destruction of their sacred places.
So the temple and the holy of holies were doomed no matter held the baton.
Q. Fabius Maximus


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Hello!

I've been wanting for a long time to get or make lares and penates
statuettes for my home. Has anyone else done this? Are there any
recommendations of how to go about this? I know nothing about how
Romans obtained theirs, and so I don't know the most authentic way to
proceed. Any advice is most welcome. Thanks!

Salve, Gaius Equitius Cato

Thank you for all the information. I knew about the pallium, but not the names for the rest. It's so interesting all the history of their attire.

Bene vale

Maxima Valeria Messallina

gaiusequitiuscato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:

G. Equitius Cato V. Valeriae Messalinae quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve et salvete.

I wasn't able to watch the funeral (I was at work), but I know that the Patriarch of Constantinople, Metropolitan Kyrill of Russia, and the head of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church were there. Other members of the Roman Catholic clergy who follow the Eastern (or Byzantine) Rite would dress similiarly to their Orthodox counterparts.

The proper dress of an Orthodox prelate is as follows:

PHELONION - this outer cloak has the same origin as the Roman
chasuble. Its very full form in the Byzantine usage is reminiscent of the ancient paenula which gradually replaced the Roman toga as the outer garment of the upper classes toward the close of the imperial period. This ample vestment is often cut slightly up the front to facilitate arm movements and is marked by a large cross on the back.

The SAKKOS that vestment proper to bishops which gradually replaced their use of the phelonion. Directly copied from late imperial regalia, it is a shorter tunic with ample sleeves and marked with a cross on the back. It is worn over the sticharion or under-tunic.

The OMOPHORION - probably one of the most ancient of the bishop's vestments with a strictly symbolic origin. Copied from the scarf of office worn by the Roman Emperor and other officials, it identified the bishop as head of the community. A large, long band of cloth it is marked with crosses and is passed around the neck hanging in front and behind. A "small" omophorion worn simply around the neck and hanging in two pendants on the chest is sometimes worn in place of the large
one. The omophorion is worn by all Eastern bishops and by Western metropolitans in an abbreviated form (the pallium).

The PECTORAL CROSS - In the Byzantine usage this is not a distinctive emblem of bishops but may be worn by authorized priests as a sign of a special honor or dignity. In the Russian usage all priests make use of it. The bishop wears the pectoral cross in conjunction with the Engolpion.

The ENGOLPIA - medallions depicting Christ and the Mother of God are a distinctive sign of the Byzantine bishop. A metropolitan, archbishop or patriarch usually wears two with the pectoral cross; a bishop employs one.

The CROWN - the bishop's head covering, adapted from the imperial regalia when the Byzantine clergy began assuming civil functions. The crown is embroidered and bears small icons and is often surmounted by a cross. Some archimandrites and archpriests, although not of Episcopal character, have the right to the use of the crown.

The MANDYAS - or mantle is the monastic choir and processional cloak. A bishop's mandyas is generally purple in color and is adorned by icons of the four evangelists and by ornamental bands, suggesting the streams of grace flowing through the bishop's ministry.

The KAMELAVKION - a cylindrical hat, usually with a small brim on top, worn by the three orders of priesthood. Monks, bishops (since they were monks) and certain dignitaries usually cover this hat with the Epano-kamelavkion, the black monastic veil.

The EPIGONATION - a diamond-shaped ornament suspended by a cord from the left shoulder and hanging at the right knee. It is properly a bishop's vestment but is worn by some priests as a sign of dignity. It probably originated in the imperial regalia as a sort of purse or bag but now is purely ceremonial, marked with a cross and made of
cloth-covered cardboard.

Valete bene,

Cato
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Salve Maxima Valeria!

I do so agree - as in royal weddings, etc., the newspapers usually print a
photo with a plan underneath so we know who they all were.

As far as I could see, there were two types of eastern rite prelates there:
the "uniate" churches (i.e., those in communion with Rome), who were among
the cardinals ranged along the front of St Peter's, and then almost the
entire Orthodox hierarchy sitting with all the other religious dignitaries
(including the Archbishop of Canterbury) in another block at the side. It
was nice to see the that Ecumenical Patriarch himself was there (the 'pope'
of the Orthodox Church, who is the primus inter pares of all the Orthodox
patriarchates), along with the patriarchs, metropolitans, katholikoi of most
of the Orthodox churches. Because they were not taking a liturgical part in
the funeral, they wore their usual black. The dress differs in each of the
churches - some where a black headdress, others white, whilst others wear
turban-like black headdresses (such as the Coptic Orthodox).

The uniates taking a liturgical part were wearing the eastern equivalents of
the Roman mass vestments, most of them wearing red and gold. Headdresses
differ from church to church, but most of the patriarchs and bishops (some
of whom are members of the College of Cardinals as well) wear a gold crown,
which is the equivalent of the western mitre. The vestments were indeed
gorgeous and reflected the importance of the ceremony (I remember when I was
a very young altar server our priest telling us that 'only the best is good
enough for God'). I was very impressed with the young English deacon who
chanted the gospel in perfect Latin - how he must have rehearsed that!
Incidentally, his vestment was a dalmatic - a vestment that is used in both
western and eastern rites.

I think, too, that the mixture of eastern and western dignitaries,
vestments, languages and rites all went to show how much the Church itself
still remains a universal body without one stereotypical way of doing things
- ie, plenty of room for everyone! Had we been watching a papal funeral 500
- 600 years ago, we would have seen virtually the same scenes and heard
virtually the same music and language. Interesting thought!

Vale optime.

Peter



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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Nova-Roma] In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus



Salve, Peter

Wasn't that something to see all those different Eastern Church patriarchs?
I've never seen some many all in one place at one time. It was wonderful.

I do have a query. Why do some wear such intricately decorated and colorful
attire and crowns while others wear only black garb? One tall fellow, in
black robes, wore a bright blue, square headdress with no veil covering over
it. Thought that was interesting. Anyone know what Church he represents?

It would have been nice if they could have gotten them all in one picture,
and then in the caption, say who they all were and what Church they were
from.

Bene vale

Maxima Valeria Messallina


Peter Bird <p.bird@...> wrote:

Salvete

I watched the entire funeral - it was a 'proper' mass, reverent, dignified
and beautiful. The colours and sights and music and plainchant, and the
beautiful old Latin all combined to make it a moving and memorable
experience. The Litany of the Saints at the end took me back 40 years into
the realms of nostalgia, and to have the Eastern patriarchs with their
moving Greek and Syriac prayers over the coffin was a beautiful and
universal touch. It all goes to show how well the Catholic Church can
produce such moments when it really wants to.

Johannes Paulus II PP in pace aeterna requiescat.



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Thank you, Cato - most informative and useful! A couple of other vestments
not in your list - the orarion (for the deacon) and the epitrachelion (for
the priest), both corresponding to the western stole, though in the case of
the priest it is much wider than we use in the west. We could go on about
this for ever (!) given the variations found in the different Orthodox
traditions, but I found your explanation one of the clearest yet that I've
read. Thanks again.

Peter



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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
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G. Equitius Cato V. Valeriae Messalinae quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve et salvete.

I wasn't able to watch the funeral (I was at work), but I know that
the Patriarch of Constantinople, Metropolitan Kyrill of Russia, and
the head of the Ethiopian Orthodox Church were there. Other members
of the Roman Catholic clergy who follow the Eastern (or Byzantine)
Rite would dress similiarly to their Orthodox counterparts.

The proper dress of an Orthodox prelate is as follows:

PHELONION - this outer cloak has the same origin as the Roman
chasuble. Its very full form in the Byzantine usage is reminiscent of
the ancient paenula which gradually replaced the Roman toga as the
outer garment of the upper classes toward the close of the imperial
period. This ample vestment is often cut slightly up the front to
facilitate arm movements and is marked by a large cross on the back.

The SAKKOS that vestment proper to bishops which gradually replaced
their use of the phelonion. Directly copied from late imperial
regalia, it is a shorter tunic with ample sleeves and marked with a
cross on the back. It is worn over the sticharion or under-tunic.

The OMOPHORION - probably one of the most ancient of the bishop's
vestments with a strictly symbolic origin. Copied from the scarf of
office worn by the Roman Emperor and other officials, it identified
the bishop as head of the community. A large, long band of cloth it is
marked with crosses and is passed around the neck hanging in front and
behind. A "small" omophorion worn simply around the neck and hanging
in two pendants on the chest is sometimes worn in place of the large
one. The omophorion is worn by all Eastern bishops and by Western
metropolitans in an abbreviated form (the pallium).

The PECTORAL CROSS - In the Byzantine usage this is not a distinctive
emblem of bishops but may be worn by authorized priests as a sign of a
special honor or dignity. In the Russian usage all priests make use of
it. The bishop wears the pectoral cross in conjunction with the
Engolpion.

The ENGOLPIA - medallions depicting Christ and the Mother of God are a
distinctive sign of the Byzantine bishop. A metropolitan, archbishop
or patriarch usually wears two with the pectoral cross; a bishop
employs one.

The CROWN - the bishop's head covering, adapted from the imperial
regalia when the Byzantine clergy began assuming civil functions. The
crown is embroidered and bears small icons and is often surmounted by
a cross. Some archimandrites and archpriests, although not of
Episcopal character, have the right to the use of the crown.

The MANDYAS - or mantle is the monastic choir and processional cloak.
A bishop's mandyas is generally purple in color and is adorned by
icons of the four evangelists and by ornamental bands, suggesting the
streams of grace flowing through the bishop's ministry.

The KAMELAVKION - a cylindrical hat, usually with a small brim on top,
worn by the three orders of priesthood. Monks, bishops (since they
were monks) and certain dignitaries usually cover this hat with the
Epano-kamelavkion, the black monastic veil.

The EPIGONATION - a diamond-shaped ornament suspended by a cord from
the left shoulder and hanging at the right knee. It is properly a
bishop's vestment but is worn by some priests as a sign of dignity. It
probably originated in the imperial regalia as a sort of purse or bag
but now is purely ceremonial, marked with a cross and made of
cloth-covered cardboard.

Valete bene,

Cato






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B. The name of his/her driver

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D. His/her tactics for the Quarter and Semifinals

E. His/her tactics for the Finals

F. The name of his/her "factio" or team (Albata, Praesina, Russata,
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G. Dirty actions against another factio in a specific round (quarter-
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does not
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decreases
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I. If sesterces from multiple entrants are pooled to take a dirty
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Come on Novaromani! Maybe you lost the Megalesia ludi circenses? You
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Salve Maxima Valeria Messallina

All Vatican employers get an extra month salary when a pope dies and another extra one a new pope is found.
The next one is this impressive funural went back to an old tradition in the roman catholic church
the sign of peace before you get your comunion. This wasn't done since a long time.
Extraordinary was also the present of the whole religious leaders and this was also one of the very_very few moments the political leaders were so quiet and silent you can count it on one hand such happened before.
You could see definetly that traditions, thousands of yrs old can bring them to shut up.
Another impressive thing were the people who cry "Santo subito"
Vox populi, vox dei
They want to see JP II to become holy.
That's not so easy since some decades but the roman catholic church showed the world what they are!
And it is also an importand point when the collegium decides about to speak pope JP II "holy"
Not just wonders only. But it will need a minimum of 2 yrs.
But one of the most impressive facts are the youngsters who came in masses to be with "their" pope.
It was a perfect sign to all that young ppl are looking for a moral leadership also if they don't agree with all
pope JP II said.
I (personally) am not bound in christian religion but this furnural was something the world never saw before
(maybe in the ancient time in compare to the masses) and maybe will not see again while we are alive.
The tradition combined with the todays media possibilities showed us all that tradition may have a strong influence.

And in Krakov the celebrated iat 21:37 again, the time pope JP II left this world to join another world.
This mess was also very impressive when all the folk lighted up all the candles in silence and started the prays and a Mozart requiem.



As a side note: I switched between CNN and Eurpean TV stations and have to say CNN cut a lot and had a time different of some seconds :)
Well and sometimes they used to look around with their cameras while the others were still focused on St. Peter's Square

>Oh, most definitely the people of Rome, the Vatican, the Italian government, police and all the different securities forces, and >just everyone involved in this mammoth undertaking should give themselves a well deserved pat on the back for a job well >done, and what a job it was! All those dignitaries, religious leaders, news people, camera people, and four million or so >attendees, all crowded into one place and nothing happened other than what was planned. I hope they're all enjoying a >good bottle of wine and toasting their success. Hopefully, a bonus comes in their next paychecks, too. They've earned it!

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If police work in Italia is anything like in New York
then they dont get bonuses on their checks but rather
civilian complaints because they did a good job.
--- violetphearsen@...
<violetphearsen@...> wrote:

> Salve, Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
> Oh, most definitely the people of Rome, the Vatican,

the Italian government, police and all the different
securities forces, and just everyone involved in this
mammoth undertaking should give themselves a well
deserved pat on the back for a job well done, and what
a job it was! All those dignitaries, religious
leaders, news people, camera people, and four million
or so attendees, all crowded into one place and
nothing happened other than what was planned. I hope
they're all enjoying a good bottle of wine and
toasting their success. Hopefully, a bonus comes in
their next paychecks, too. They've earned it!

>
> Bene vale
>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
>
>
> "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)"

<mjk@...> wrote:

>
> Salve Maxima Valeria Mesallina,
>
> Agreed! I watched the funeral the wee hours of this

morning and must say I have never seen anything like
it in my life time and I was

> very moving.
> My complements to the Italian government, the city

of Rome and the

> Vatican on their terrific work and organization,

especially with

> such short notice. The great behavior and order of

the masses will

> certainly be legendary.
>
> Regards,
>
> QLP
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If I'm not mistaken, Sacred Source (www.sacredsource.com) offers a pair of
statuettes for this purpose. Generally speaking, though, I've always
preferred to either hand make my religious materials or to have them custom
made for the purpose. Essentially, when it comes to your home religion,
I've always maintained that the best way to handle it is to do what feels
right for you. Nothing about the home religion, excepting that there was
one, was all too static between households in Antiquity; it was a matter of
the tradition of the family, which likely came by matter of preference of an
ancestor. For the moment, we are all making our own traditions; go with
what feels right for *you*! (Incidentally, if you have access to _Aufsteig
und Niedergang der romischen Welt_, there is an article in there by D.P.
Harmon in volume II.16.2 called "The Family Festivals of Rome" (pp.
1592-1603). It might be worth your reading.)

Vale Bene in Pace Deorum,

Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus Pius
Fetial

Citizens of Nova Roma, and New Roman Lists;

I come before you to announce a reminder that April is the month for the current release of the two above subject publications.

Should anyone care to contribute an article, poem, or any other literary / artistic effort to either of these publications, I should be pleased to receive such. The following comments may answer some previous questions;

--submssion length 200 to 400 words, a longer article may be serialized in consideration of the overall document size;

--Plain text is preferred over Word or other similar formats;

--deadline submission id the 20th of the month in which published (April, July, and October);

--any topic related to the ancient Roman culture;

--Religious topics will be referred to the Religious Editor for approval;

--Political topics will be referred to the NR Main List;

--"Roman Times" is essentially a Civil Publication , and "Pilum" is a military publication.

--"Aquila" which is the Nova Roma Newsletter is also open for your consideration for articles of worth. This is your newsletter, and not mine. So far I have eight articles completed and submitted all of my writing. I should like to see some variation in the author content of this publication if that is possible;

--All submissions should be sent to me (address above);

As always, my thanks for your very kind consideration of this post and I wish you all good health and fair skies.

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"Pilum Quarterly" -- Editor Militarium;

"Nova Britannia Quarterly" -- Editor Provincia

Perhaps I am mistaken, but the Swiss Guard is
recognized as a standing army, is it not? Are they not
like modern day Praetorians?
--- violetphearsen@...
<violetphearsen@...> wrote:

>
> "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)"

<mjk@...> wrote:

>
> <<Salvete omnes,
>
> Something else to keep in mind about the Vatican

over the last 80 years. It has no army, navy or
airforce and can only fire barrages of spiritual
ammunition. The Pontifex Maximus can and does advise
the world's political leaders not to wage to war and
commit genocide but if these leaders choose not to
listen, then there is nothing more he can do.>>

>
> Salve, Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
> You are so correct with regard to the world's

leaders. Pope John Paul II was very critical of
President Bush and the war in Iraq, but that didn't
stop Bush.

> However, the people are another story, and judging

by the turnout at today's funeral, especially by young
people, and considering the growth of the Catholic
Church in Third World countries, the Pope's influence
is felt, albeit, indirectly.

> Which makes Pope John Paul II's successful part in

bringing down communism all the more remarkable.

> Still, that was more about being the right person in

the right place at the right time. It remains to be
seen if his successor can keep that level of influence
going. Should be interesting to watch.

>
> Bene vale
>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
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Salvete,

Well as far as I know they are more of a body guard for the Vatican.
Publically they wear those 16th century outfits and carry those
halbarts but they are well trained in martial arts, hand to hand
combat and do have access to modern weapons; still "I" would hardly
call them a standing army (100 men)and their equipment and numbers
would not stop things from Rawanda to the Balkans I'm afraid.


Here is an article of interest for you to draw your own conclusions:

Current profile

While much of the work of the present day guards is ceremonial, they
are responsible for the security at the Apostolic Palace, the papal
apartment and the four main entrances to the Vatican. They are also
in charge of the pontiff's physical safety when he travels outside
the city state.

The Swiss Guard, the world's smallest and perhaps most colorful
army, has been the chief protectors of the pontiff. Clad in
Renaissance helmets and blue, red and yellow tunics (the colors of
the Medici family) that are said to have been designed by
Michelangelo. For routine work, the guards wear blue uniforms and
berets.

The Swiss Guard currently consists of a total of 100 men: 4
officials, 1 chaplain, 23 noncommissioned officers, 70 halbardiers,
and 2 drummers. The halbard is the traditional weapon carried by
Swiss Guards. The members of the Swiss Guard reside in a barrack in
Vatican City. They serve for two years, with the possibility of
extending the period to a maximum of 25 years. During this period
they receive training in self-defence, attend shooting practice,
take course in Italian and study the organizational structure of the
Vatican. At the end of the first year they must take a very thorough
exam.

Guard recruits must be Roman Catholic men of Swiss nationality who
are single, under 30 years old and stand at least 5-feet, 8-inches
tall. Guards need to have completed their initial military training
in the Swiss Armed Forces, and obtained a certificate of good
conduct from an ecclesiastical and a civil authority.

The Swiss Guard is all that is left of a pontifical military corps
that medieval popes once fielded to exert temporal power on a part
of the Italian peninsula - power that is now restricted to the 108
acres of Vatican City.

Historical development

The Swiss Guard was founded in 1505 by Pope Julius II as a stable
and disciplined corps of regular Swiss soldiers depending directly
on the Holy See, for the guarding of the person of the Roman Pontiff
and the Apostolic Palaces. January 21, 1506, is considered the
official founding when 150 Swiss soldiers arrived in Rome and
received the solemn blessing of Pope Julius II upon their arrival in
St. Peter's Square.

In the early years, the corps was disbanded several times, and the
guards had to retire, especially during the imprisonment or exile of
the Popes.

During the Sack of Rome on May 6, 1527, when heroically fighting
against the troops of Holy Roman Emperor Charles V, 147 Swiss Guards
died alongside then-commander Kaspar Roist, while 42 were saved with
Clement Vll (Giulio de' Medici) in Castle San Angelo.

On May 6 of each year, in commemoration of this historical date, the
newly recruited members of the Swiss Guard are sworn in the San
Damasco Courtyard in the Vatican, in four different languages -
German, French, Italian and Ladino - according to their canton of
origin. As they take their oath promising fidelity to the Pope and
the Church, the soldiers raise three fingers of their right hand,
symbolizing the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, while placing their
left hand on the flag of the Swiss Guard Corps. This banner is
formed by three shields representing the current Pope, the founder
of the Swiss Guard, Julius II, and the commander.

Sources: Vatican Information Service; L'Osservatore Romano, April
30, 1990; The Washington Post, May 5,1998

More details on this topic: http://www.vatican.va

The following documents were published in 1993 by the Coordinating
Commission for the Presence of Switzerland Abroad, and the Federal
Department of Foreign Affairs in Berne in cooperation with the Arts
Council of Switzerland, Pro Helvetia .



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, raymond fuentes
<praefectus2324@y...> wrote:

> Perhaps I am mistaken, but the Swiss Guard is
> recognized as a standing army, is it not? Are they not
> like modern day Praetorians?
> --- violetphearsen@y...
> <violetphearsen@y...> wrote:
> >
> > "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)"
> <mjk@d...> wrote:
> >
> > <<Salvete omnes,
> >
> > Something else to keep in mind about the Vatican
> over the last 80 years. It has no army, navy or
> airforce and can only fire barrages of spiritual
> ammunition. The Pontifex Maximus can and does advise
> the world's political leaders not to wage to war and
> commit genocide but if these leaders choose not to
> listen, then there is nothing more he can do.>>
> >
> > Salve, Quintus Lanius Paulinus
> >
> > You are so correct with regard to the world's
> leaders. Pope John Paul II was very critical of
> President Bush and the war in Iraq, but that didn't
> stop Bush.
> > However, the people are another story, and judging
> by the turnout at today's funeral, especially by young
> people, and considering the growth of the Catholic
> Church in Third World countries, the Pope's influence
> is felt, albeit, indirectly.
> > Which makes Pope John Paul II's successful part in
> bringing down communism all the more remarkable.
> > Still, that was more about being the right person in
> the right place at the right time. It remains to be
> seen if his successor can keep that level of influence
> going. Should be interesting to watch.
> >
> > Bene vale
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Salvete,

Indeed tey are what you call "Praetorians".
They are from Switzerland 'cause that's tradition on the one side and in the other it's one of the few countries which don't punish you if you're working as "soldier" for other countries as your own one.
They have to be catholic and a perfect life career, and they have to be single too

Vale
Conservatus


raymond fuentes <praefectus2324@...> schrieb am 09.04.2005 20:05:43:


Perhaps I am mistaken, but the Swiss Guard is
recognized as a standing army, is it not? Are they not
like modern day Praetorians?

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I come to you with a question. How and from what choices does a Roman choose his "genius" or guarding spirit. I have a drawing of a household Larium which features a snake as the spirit of the man who owned the house. It is said in the few places that can find it that this genius was very important in the lives of Romans before the move to Christianity, So my questions to be a little more detailed is:

was a genius only taken from living things? If so, did the genius reflect the gifts of the person represented (bravery, tenacity, wisdom, etc)? If not , could non-living symbols be used, which related to a man's career, desires, dreams, etc.)? What elements were necessary to adopt a genius if a family did not have one, or if the family had lost touch with the ancestral one through disaster or death???

I am interested in this aspect of religious thought in the ancient Roman ways, and would wish to explore it further for my own information. I would appreciate any assistance in this and /or any references which might be able to answer my questions about this area of interest.

Respectfully;

Marcus Audens

SOLUTION No4 and TEMPORARY CLASSIFICATION No4 for the
Historical Contest

CN CORNELIUS LENTULUS QUIRITIBUS SPD:


Here follows the correct answer for the 4rd
question of our Certamen. (The classifications are
hereinafter!)


I. THE SOLUTION No6

QUAESTIO N°6 – Who was the Roman politician who
disturbed the Ludi Megalenses (accurately the ludi
scaenici) on divers occasions?

RESPONSUM N°6 – Publius Clodius Pulcher queered Ludi
Megalenses: the second time was in april 8 or 9 or 10
56 BC, when he mobbed and occupied the theatre with
beweaponed slaves – as Cicero informes us.


II. TEMPORARY CLASSIFICATION
(The rules of Certamen Historicum:
http://www.cohorssullana.grafosystem.ro/rules.htm)

Cato and Marinus (it seems) lost their chance... But
here is the new first best Sempronia! Now the question
is: Sempronia or Scholastica?


1. Iulilla Sempronia Magna 10 pts

2. Flavia Tullia Valeria Scholastica 8 pts

3. Cn. Equitius Marinus 7 pts

4. C. Equitius Cato 6 pts
4. Marca Hortensia Maior 6 pts

5. P. Memmius Albucius 4 pts

6. Iulia Cybele 2 pts


Come on, let's go, historians!!!
The endgame starts now!!!!!!

VALETE QVAM OPTIME!
Happy Megalesia-Days!

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We have arrived at the last question! There was a little problem with the 5th question because one of our contestants has published the correct answer on this mailinglist: we don't close him from the Certamen but we must to judge the Certamen No5 invalid. Therefore now I ask two questions in place of No5.


Here follows the LAST QUESTION for our Certamen Historicum:

QUAESTIO N°7 - (1) When could Roman citizens become priests of Magna Mater at first time in history of Mother Goddess being worshipped in Rome? (2) Who was the emperor who prohibited Roman priests of Cybele from castrating themselves?



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SALVETE CIVES

I come into this discussion just to give my testimony about the
perfect organization of all the ceremonies and corollary organized
after the death of Pope Ioannes Paulus II, as I was there as a
volunteer MD for the assistance of the pilgrims arrived to Rome.
I had never participated to such a big event in my life before, and
I was really impressed by the huge number of persons arrived in
Rome: all the ages and races were there represented, and I was happy
to be there. But what did astonished me was the organization of the
all event: everywhere in Rome there was someone (volunteer or
policeman or whatever) who could give you any needed informations or
free water. All the streets of Vatican City and the part of Rome
around were "presidiated" by forces that showed you where to go and
what to do. Hundreds of doctors and paramedics where in the
strategic points.
E.g., for me to get into S. Peter's square, I had to pass 8 (eight)
control posts where I had to show my documents and pass (even if I
had my coat of MD)...
With an exceptional organization and a big amount of luck, nothing
happened during these exceptional days!

VALETE
L IUL SULLA
Aedilis Curulis
Italia



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, raymond fuentes
<praefectus2324@y...> wrote:

> If police work in Italia is anything like in New York
> then they dont get bonuses on their checks but rather
> civilian complaints because they did a good job.
> --- violetphearsen@y...
> <violetphearsen@y...> wrote:
> > Salve, Quintus Lanius Paulinus
> >
> > Oh, most definitely the people of Rome, the Vatican,
> the Italian government, police and all the different
> securities forces, and just everyone involved in this
> mammoth undertaking should give themselves a well
> deserved pat on the back for a job well done, and what
> a job it was! All those dignitaries, religious
> leaders, news people, camera people, and four million
> or so attendees, all crowded into one place and
> nothing happened other than what was planned. I hope
> they're all enjoying a good bottle of wine and
> toasting their success. Hopefully, a bonus comes in
> their next paychecks, too. They've earned it!
> >
> > Bene vale
> >
> > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> >
> >
> > "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)"
> <mjk@d...> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Maxima Valeria Mesallina,
> >
> > Agreed! I watched the funeral the wee hours of this
> morning and must say I have never seen anything like
> it in my life time and I was
> > very moving.
> > My complements to the Italian government, the city
> of Rome and the
> > Vatican on their terrific work and organization,
> especially with
> > such short notice. The great behavior and order of
> the masses will
> > certainly be legendary.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > QLP
> >
> >
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Salvete,

As far as I know, your genius is your ideal
spiritual counterpart. Just as you are born with
being you, you are born with your genius.

Valete,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Mathews
> [mailto:jmath669642reng@...]
> Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2005 2:28 PM
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: newroman@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Genius
>
>
> Citizens of Nova Roma;
>
> I come to you with a question. How and from

what

> choices does a Roman choose his "genius" or
> guarding spirit. I have a drawing of a

household

> Larium which features a snake as the spirit of

the man

> who owned the house. It is said in the few

places that

> can find it that this genius was very important

in the

> lives of Romans before the move to Christianity,

So

> my questions to be a little more detailed is:
>
> was a genius only taken from living things? If

so, did

> the genius reflect the gifts of the person

represented

> (bravery, tenacity, wisdom, etc)? If not ,

could non-

> living symbols be used, which related to a man's
> career, desires, dreams, etc.)? What elements

were

> necessary to adopt a genius if a family did not

have

> one, or if the family had lost touch with the

ancestral

> one through disaster or death???
>
> I am interested in this aspect of religious

thought in

> the ancient Roman ways, and would wish to

explore it

> further for my own information. I would

appreciate

> any assistance in this and /or any references

which

> might be able to answer my questions about this

area

> of interest.
>
> Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Audens
>
>
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Thank you very much! I will look into the article at the first
available opportunity.



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Q. Caecilius Metellus"
<postumianus@g...> wrote:

> Q. Metellus Allysoni salutem dicit.
>
> If I'm not mistaken, Sacred Source (www.sacredsource.com) offers a

pair of

> statuettes for this purpose. Generally speaking, though, I've

always

> preferred to either hand make my religious materials or to have

them custom

> made for the purpose. Essentially, when it comes to your home

religion,

> I've always maintained that the best way to handle it is to do

what feels

> right for you. Nothing about the home religion, excepting that

there was

> one, was all too static between households in Antiquity; it was a

matter of

> the tradition of the family, which likely came by matter of

preference of an

> ancestor. For the moment, we are all making our own traditions;

go with

> what feels right for *you*! (Incidentally, if you have access to

_Aufsteig

> und Niedergang der romischen Welt_, there is an article in there

by D.P.

> Harmon in volume II.16.2 called "The Family Festivals of Rome" (pp.
> 1592-1603). It might be worth your reading.)
>
> Vale Bene in Pace Deorum,
>
> Q. Caecilius Metellus Postumianus Pius
> Fetial

Salve All

This is a good site for source documents... Good for research...

http://www.exovedate.com/ancient_timeline_one.html

Vale

Quintus Sertorius

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Salvete

I think the City of Rome is to be heartily congratulated on the amazing way
they organised the reception of millions of pilgrims - it must have been a
mind-boggling task, and one which they performed so smoothly. I wonder what
other city in the world would have been able to cope so well. I wonder, too,
how much the whole thing must have cost!

Valete optime

Peter



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From: Lucius Iulius [mailto:21aprile@...]
Sent: 09 April 2005 23:27
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus




SALVETE CIVES

I come into this discussion just to give my testimony about the
perfect organization of all the ceremonies and corollary organized
after the death of Pope Ioannes Paulus II, as I was there as a
volunteer MD for the assistance of the pilgrims arrived to Rome.
I had never participated to such a big event in my life before, and
I was really impressed by the huge number of persons arrived in
Rome: all the ages and races were there represented, and I was happy
to be there. But what did astonished me was the organization of the
all event: everywhere in Rome there was someone (volunteer or
policeman or whatever) who could give you any needed informations or
free water. All the streets of Vatican City and the part of Rome
around were "presidiated" by forces that showed you where to go and
what to do. Hundreds of doctors and paramedics where in the
strategic points.
E.g., for me to get into S. Peter's square, I had to pass 8 (eight)
control posts where I had to show my documents and pass (even if I
had my coat of MD)...
With an exceptional organization and a big amount of luck, nothing
happened during these exceptional days!

VALETE
L IUL SULLA
Aedilis Curulis
Italia



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, raymond fuentes
<praefectus2324@y...> wrote:

> If police work in Italia is anything like in New York
> then they dont get bonuses on their checks but rather
> civilian complaints because they did a good job.
> --- violetphearsen@y...
> <violetphearsen@y...> wrote:
> > Salve, Quintus Lanius Paulinus
> >
> > Oh, most definitely the people of Rome, the Vatican,
> the Italian government, police and all the different
> securities forces, and just everyone involved in this
> mammoth undertaking should give themselves a well
> deserved pat on the back for a job well done, and what
> a job it was! All those dignitaries, religious
> leaders, news people, camera people, and four million
> or so attendees, all crowded into one place and
> nothing happened other than what was planned. I hope
> they're all enjoying a good bottle of wine and
> toasting their success. Hopefully, a bonus comes in
> their next paychecks, too. They've earned it!
> >
> > Bene vale
> >
> > Maxima Valeria Messallina
> >
> >
> > "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)"
> <mjk@d...> wrote:
> >
> > Salve Maxima Valeria Mesallina,
> >
> > Agreed! I watched the funeral the wee hours of this
> morning and must say I have never seen anything like
> it in my life time and I was
> > very moving.
> > My complements to the Italian government, the city
> of Rome and the
> > Vatican on their terrific work and organization,
> especially with
> > such short notice. The great behavior and order of
> the masses will
> > certainly be legendary.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > QLP
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site!
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Salvete Novoromani!

For many years, I've been an admirer of Ancient Rome and of Classical
and Hellenistic culture in general. I don't believe in reincarnation,
but if I have lived before, it was surely as a Roman around 100 CE.
However, only very recently did I discover the existence of Nova Roma
in our time. I must say that it seems to be a dream come true –
founding a society of people who believe in the Classical ideals,
with the ultimate goal of establishing an independent nation has been
a recurrent fantasy of mine. And since 9-11, I really believe that we
need to remember our roots, and focus on the best of Western
civilisation. We need a new Renaissance, not a new Constantine `the
Great'.

Now to my point. When thinking about applying for a citizenship, I
have to consider the choice of a Roman name. There's a lot of
information on the website about that, but I still feel uncertain
about a few points, especially after the recent reform regarding gens
and familia (Lex equitia de familia). I hope someone with knowledge
in these matters will take the time to answer. Perhaps more people
than myself have similar questions.

I. Am I right that in Nova Roma, women are encouraged to adopt three
names ('tria nomina') exactly as men, and that these are then used in
the same way as male names (except for being grammatically female)?
Based on this supposition, I will use a male name as an example
below, expecting that a woman could just substitute a female name.
Please correct me if I'm wrong. (I'll return to Ancient Roman female
names at the end of the post.)

II. Both when perusing the Nova Roma website, and when reading books
about Ancient Rome, I find it confusing that there seem to be no
clear rules for which part of a name to use when the whole name isn't
stated. What name would a close friend use? When? A father, mother,
sister or brother? How should a business associate be referred to? Et
cetera.

To be more concrete, when would the following combinations be
appropriate? (I hope the illustrious Horace will forgive me for using
his name.)

Quintus Horatius Flaccus?
Quintus?
Quintus Horatius?
Horatius?
Horatius Flaccus?
Flaccus?

(Even in the excellent Essential Latin section, there seems to be
some confusion: In the example 'Apollonius Sullae suo S.P.D.' it
seems as if the sender uses his own nomen, but the cognomen of the
recipient. Is that standard practice?)

III. I don't think I've seen anything about it on the website, but I
believe that it was standard practice in Ancient Rome that women kept
their `maiden' names as married, and did not take their husbands
names. Is that the same in Nova Roma? Does that mean that a married
couple (who presumably wish to be considered married also under
Novoroman law) should NOT choose similar names? Or should they at
least share the same gens (clan)?

IV. Now, suppose that Quintus Horatius Flaccus and Lucia Iulia Amanda
are married. After some years, they get four children, two girls and
two boys. What should the children be named? I guess they should take
the nomen of their father (`Horatius'), but what else? Lex equitia de
familia seems to suggest that both nomen and cognomen of the father
should be passed on to the children (in female for for the girls, I
suppose).

V. Is it true that gens (clan) is defined by the nomen, and domus
(house/lineage) by nomen+cognomen, whereas there is no indication of
familia (family) in the name? Given the shortage of praenomina, I
suppose that you will soon end up with many people sharing the same
three names in more prolific lineages.

VI. In Ancient Rome, it seems that most women were not referred to
with a full three-name name (tria nomina). Was that indeed the case?
Did they only have praenomen+nomen without cognomen? Or is it just
that the less public role of women in Ancient Rome meant that there
was seldom a need to state the full name of women, since they would
usually be mentioned in more `familiar' settings? And public women,
probably often were very public, such as the empress. In our time,
John Smith refers to his wife as Elizabeth and the English Queen as
Queen Elizabeth, and not Elizabeth Smith and Elizabeth Alexandra Mary
Windsor, respectively, even though the latter is technically correct.
Perhaps the Romans did the same? After all, men were often also
referred to with only parts of their names.

Many thanks in advance!

Valete,

Hugo

G. Equitius Cato Hugo S.P.D.

Salve Hugo!

Regarding Roman nomenclature use, here's a very general overview, as I
understand it:

When speaking to an acquaintance/equal citizen of PLEBEIAN Class, it
is proper to use their nomen and cognomen. I.E., Gaius Modius
Athanasios would be called "Modius Athanasios", as he is an
acquaintance of mine and is of a Plebeian gens.

When speaking to an acquaintance/equal citizen of PATRICIAN Class,
it is proper to use their praenomen and cognomen. I.E., Gnaeus
Iulius Caesar would be called "Gnaeus Caesar", as he is an
acquaintance and is of a Patrician gens.

When speaking to an acquaintance of either Class who has an agnomen
(fourth name), it is acceptable to use their cognomen and agnomen.
I.E., Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix could be called "Sulla Felix", or
Servius Equitius Mercurius Troianus could be called "Mercurius
Troianus".

Once you've gotten familiar and/or friendly with certain citizens,
it is considered acceptable to use the part of their name which most
people recognize; the part that stands out in particular. I.E.,
most people here in the Forum refer to me simply as "Cato", because
that is the part of my name which stands out, as I might refer to
Mercurius Troianus as simply "Troianus".

It is almost never acceptable to refer to a citizen by their
praenomen alone in public; a singular exception might be at a
funeral oration by a family member or particularly close friend.

When addressing someone (any citizen of either Class) in a
letter/post, it is proper to use their praenomen's initial, followed
by their nomen and cognomen (and agnomen, if one exists) in the
proper form. I.E., when I greet Lucius Fidelius Graecus in a letter, I
call him "L. Fidelio Graeco" --- in general, a "us" ending changes to
"o" and an "a" ending changes to "ae" as in "F. Tulliae Scholasticae"
for Flavia Tullia Scholastica.

In public a magistrate is almost invariably referred to with their
title. I.E., Gnaeus Equitius Marinus is referred to as "Censor
Marinus" during his term of office.

I think these are the very basics. There are many other subtle
intricacies based on family history, achievement, etc., but for the
most part they are not observed as the res publica is only 6 years
old :-)

Hope this helps!

Vale bene,

Cato

Salve Hugo, et salvete omnes,

romanman66 wrote:

> I. Am I right that in Nova Roma, women are encouraged to adopt three
> names ('tria nomina') exactly as men, and that these are then used in
> the same way as male names (except for being grammatically female)?

Yes, that's correct.

> II. Both when perusing the Nova Roma website, and when reading books
> about Ancient Rome, I find it confusing that there seem to be no
> clear rules for which part of a name to use when the whole name isn't
> stated.

Cato has already answered this quite comprehensively, so I'm going to
leave this one alone and refer you to his answer.

> III. I don't think I've seen anything about it on the website, but I
> believe that it was standard practice in Ancient Rome that women kept
> their `maiden' names as married, and did not take their husbands
> names.

Yes, that is correct.

> Is that the same in Nova Roma?

Mostly. We do have some married couples who have the same nomen, simply
because they weren't aware of the practices of antiquity when they took
their names. It would be unnecessarily cruel to insist that these
people change their names. But we try to make sure that newer citizens
understand that a Roman woman would not have taken her husband's family
name upon marriage.

> Does that mean that a married
> couple (who presumably wish to be considered married also under
> Novoroman law)

They either are married or they aren't. It's mostly up to them. The
Lex Equitia de Familia simply codifies what constitutes marriage in its
several different types.

> should NOT choose similar names?

Yes, that is correct.

> Or should they at least share the same gens (clan)?

No, that's not necessary. Connubium (the ability to marry) can exist
between cousins, but it also obviously exists between people with no
common ancestry at all.

> IV. Now, suppose that Quintus Horatius Flaccus and Lucia Iulia Amanda
> are married. After some years, they get four children, two girls and
> two boys. What should the children be named?

[praenomen] Horatius Flaccus for the sons
[praenomen] Horatia Flacca for the daughters

> V. Is it true that gens (clan) is defined by the nomen,

Yes.

> and domus (house/lineage) by nomen+cognomen,

Yes, that is correct.

> whereas there is no indication of familia (family) in the name?

That's also correct, in the sense of the immediate family, nothing is
going to distinguish my brother's family from mine, other than the
choice of praenomena we give our children.

> Given the shortage of praenomina, I
> suppose that you will soon end up with many people sharing the same
> three names in more prolific lineages.

Yes, just as the Romans of antiquity did.

> VI. In Ancient Rome, it seems that most women were not referred to
> with a full three-name name (tria nomina). Was that indeed the case?

Yes, that is correct. Throughout most of the Republic women had only
their father's nomen in feminized form: Aurelia, Hortensia, Flavia,
Iulia. If there were two daughters in the same family, they were
distinguished from each other by some agnomen, such as prima, secunda,
maior, minor, etc... During the Principate women began to have two and
three part names as a matter of course.

> Did they only have praenomen+nomen without cognomen?

In antiquity the girls had neither praenomina nor cognomina. Their
names were made up of nomina, agnomina, and occassionally a filation.

Here in Nova Roma we have chosen to have tripartate names for women
because we have chosen to have the women be equal members of our
society. In Roma Antiqua women did not have tripartate names, but they
didn't vote or run for public office either. Our new republic
recognizes this difference, and while we seek to have all of our
citizens using historically accurate names, we also ask the women of
Nova Roma to take tripartate names.

Vale,

-- Marinus

Citizens of Nova Roma;

I come before you to announce the production and issue of the March, 2005 issue of "Aquila", the Nova Roma Newsletter.

The newsletter is published monthly. Deadline date for submitted articles desiring inclusion in that month is the 20th of each month that the newsletter is issued. Issue date of the completed newsletter is sometime after the last day of the month.

Articles by Nova Roma Citizens are encouraged. Religious articles will be reviewed by the Religious Editor for suitability. Political material is not recommended.

Citizens, this is your newsletter, not mine. It is yours to support. The stories, poems, and articles donated to your various Sodalitas, could well be shared by all Nova Romans, if you will be so kind as to send that material to me as well as to your favorite people and places.

I look forward to your very kind submissions on any Ancient Roman Cultural Topic or question If in fact, you have a question, the question probably is a question in the minds of other citizens as well. Send your questions to me at "Aquila" (address above) and I will be pleased to research the answer myself, or ask those within Nova Roma who have a better historical knowledge than myself for the answers.

In Service to the Citizens of Nova Roma;

Very Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens, Editor Commentarium -- Nova Roma

Salve!

Scribae in my Cohors have found recent research done in Finland, as
well as in other places, about the name practise in the republican
period. This research indicates that there were actually many females
that had the tria nomina, but it also indicates that they seldom were
used, at least in written history.

> > Did they only have praenomen+nomen without cognomen?
>
>In antiquity the girls had neither praenomina nor cognomina. Their
>names were made up of nomina, agnomina, and occassionally a filation.
>
>Here in Nova Roma we have chosen to have tripartate names for women
>because we have chosen to have the women be equal members of our
>society. In Roma Antiqua women did not have tripartate names, but they
>didn't vote or run for public office either. Our new republic
>recognizes this difference, and while we seek to have all of our
>citizens using historically accurate names, we also ask the women of
>Nova Roma to take tripartate names.
>
>Vale,
>
>-- Marinus

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Quintilianus

Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

SOLUTION OF THE LAST QUESTION.
Thank you all for your participation!!:-)

CN CORNELIUS LENTULUS QUIRITIBUS MULTAM SALUTEM:

Here follows the correct answer for the 7th and last
question of our Certamen. (The final classifications
are in an extra e-mail!)

THE SOLUTION No7

QUAESTIO N°7 – (1) When could Roman citizens become
priests of Magna Mater at first time in history of
Mother Goddess being worshipped in Rome? (2) Who was
the emperor who prohibited Roman priests of Cybele
from castrating themselves?

RESPONSUM N°7 – (1) Under the reign of Emperor
Claudius, in 45 C.E., there was for the first time in
Rome when all restrictions on Roman citizens wishing
to dedicate themselves to the service of Cybele were
removed.
(2)Emperor Domitian was who prohibited priest of
Cybele with Roman citizenship from castrating
themselves.


The contest is done.

And now I invite you to see The Final Certifications
for Certamen Historicum of Aedilis L. Iulius Sulla!


VALETE QVAM OPTIME!

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
Scriba Ludorum - Aed. L. Iulii Sullae
Undecimvir ad Diploma Sodalitatis Latinitatis Retractandum
Propraetor Pannoniae




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FINAL CLASSIFICATION:
the winner is JULILLA SEMPRONIA MAGNA!!! She is the
most studious historian of Nova Roma with this
contest! :-)
We wish to thank all the studious partecipants and
hope you have enjoyed the contest!


CN CORNELIUS LENTULUS QUIRITIBUS SPD:

Here follows The Final Classification for our Certamen
Historicum. It was a hard struggle: I 'd like to
appreciate all contestants. But now I shuold announce
the winner is Julilla Sempronia Magna!
CONGRATULATIONS!
The second best by this contest is Flavia Tullia
Scholastica; the third best is Cn. Equitius Marinus:
CONGRATULATIONS TOO!!


THE FINAL CLASSIFICATION of the Magna Mater - contest


1. Iulilla Sempronia Magna 14 pts
2. Flavia Tullia Valeria Scholastica 12 pts
3. Cn. Equitius Marinus 7 pts

and:

4. C. Equitius Cato 6 pts
4. Marca Hortensia Maior 6 pts
5. P. Memmius Albucius 4 pts
6. Iulia Cybele 2 pts

We wish to thank all the studious partecipants!!!

(The rules of Certamen Historicum:
http://www.cohorssullana.grafosystem.ro/rules.htm)


VALETE QVAM OPTIME!

Cn. Cornelius Lentulus
Scriba Ludorum - Aed. L. Iulii Sullae
Undecimvir ad Diploma Sodalitatis Latinitatis Retractandum
Propraetor Pannoniae


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This evening has celebrated the great End of the Equestrian Games in the Circus

They have converged three chariots of the factio Praesina (Green) and a chariot of the Factio Veneta (Blue).

Quadriga: Stella Iudaeae
Charioteer: Herodias
Factio: Praesina
Domina: Marca hortensia Maior

Quadriga: Velox Puteulanus Sors
Aurigator: Félix Celeris
Factio: Veneta
Dominus: Lucius Vitellius Triarius

Quadriga: Delecta Mea
Aurigator: Crescens
Factio: Praesina
It dominates: Julilla Sempronia Magna

Quadriga: Inexpugnabilis III
Aurigator: Euthymus
Factio: Praesina
Dominus: Caius Curius Saturninus

The races has been touching and the winner is...







(...)




1st - INEXPUGNABILIS III and EUTHYMUS for the factio PRAESINA

2nd - Velox Puteulanus Sors and Felix Celeris for factio VENETA

3th - Stella Iudaeae and Herodias fror factio PRAESINA

4th - Delecta Mea and Crescens for factio PRAESINA


FELICITER CAII CURI SAURNI !

PELIX POPULUS PRAESINI !


Thanks to all the participants. I hope to see you and their teams in the next Games


Valete optime.

Q. Salix Cantaber Uranicus

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

L IUL SULLA QUIRITIBUS S.D.

Avete Quirites!

The sun is going down in this very special day, when Megalesia are
going to finish.
Here the last rays of light are all for the statue of our Goddess
Magna Mater that stands in front of the temple that was dedicated in
191 b.c.e..
I hope that she appreciated all our devotion and care for her glory
during these 7 days of racings, contests, bravery, prays and
banquets. I hope that all the roman citizens have enjoyed our
activities.
Now, as the last sunshine is going to leave us, when from the
Capitolium is moving the last parade of our divinities, that our
last festival begins! One more time, my wine cellars will open for
Populus Romanus; nunc est bibendus, nunc pede libero! Now it's the
time for wine Albanus 10 yrs. and Falernus 15 yrs. aged!
Glory for Magna Mater, I say, and gratitude for my Cohors.
Gratitude mostly for Iulius Sabinus, Cornelius Lentulus, Pompeia
Minucia Tiberia, Hortensia Maior and Salix Cantaber. Without you,
guys, these Ludi couldn't exist.

Now, Cives, if you enjoyed our Ludi, please remember that our
project of spreading and restoration of the Temple of Magna Mater in
Rome lives thanks to your donations. If you want to donate, please
contact me or my Questor Rutilius Minervalis.

OPTIME VALETE!
L IUL SULLA
Aedilis Curulis
Italia

Salve, et salvete,

Congradulations Iulilla Sempronia Magna!

I guess your brother will have to cook up
something special and share it on the NR
cooking list.


Vale, et Valete bene in pacem deorum,

Aulus Sempronius Regulus
MMDCCLVIII Anno urbis conditae (AUC)

Salvete;
Congratulations Julilla you are the wisest of us all! But the scent
of historical competition is upon me and with such worthy foes as
Flavia Tullia, Consul Marinus and Cato I can't wait to win next year;-
)...
optime vale
Marca Hortensia Maior

But now I shuold announce

> the winner is Julilla Sempronia Magna!
> CONGRATULATIONS!
> The second best by this contest is Flavia Tullia
> Scholastica; the third best is Cn. Equitius Marinus:
> CONGRATULATIONS TOO!!
>
>
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, <asregulus@b...> wrote:

> Salve, et salvete,
>
> Congradulations Iulilla Sempronia Magna!
>
> I guess your brother will have to cook up
> something special and share it on the NR
> cooking list.
>
>
> Vale, et Valete bene in pacem deorum,
>
> Aulus Sempronius Regulus
> MMDCCLVIII Anno urbis conditae (AUC)

Gratias multas, that would indeed be a treat. My heartiest thanks
and appreciation to the Cohors Aediles for a challenging and
edifying Megalesia -- most satisfying indeed!

valete,

Julilla Sempronia Magna

Flavia Tullia Scholastica Marcae Hortensiae Maiori quiritibus, sociis,
peregrinisque omnibus S.P.D.

> Salvete;
> Congratulations Julilla you are the wisest of us all! But the scent
> of historical competition is upon me and with such worthy foes as
> Flavia Tullia, Consul Marinus and Cato I can't wait to win next year;-
> )...
> optime vale
> Marca Hortensia Maior
>

Indeed, congratulations are in order for Julilla--but she (and others)
should watch out, for next year my ISP might not go down, or experience
severe difficulties, in the middle of a contest, thus preventing the
necessary communication. . .

Congratulations, Julilla!

> But now I shuold announce
>> the winner is Julilla Sempronia Magna!
>> CONGRATULATIONS!
>> The second best by this contest is Flavia Tullia
>> Scholastica; the third best is Cn. Equitius Marinus:
>> CONGRATULATIONS TOO!!
>>
>>
>>
>

Vale, et valete,

Flavia Tullia Scholastica

Salve,

They are more like a security force than an acutal standing army. I
went to the Vatican website to see if I could find exact numbers, but
couldn't find the exact numbers if its even stated there. However I
can't imagine there being more than a two or even three hundred Swiss
Guards actually on "active duty" at any given time.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, raymond fuentes <praefectus2324@y...>
wrote:

> Perhaps I am mistaken, but the Swiss Guard is
> recognized as a standing army, is it not? Are they not
> like modern day Praetorians?

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Flavia Scholastica <fororom@l...>
wrote:

> Flavia Tullia Scholastica Marcae Hortensiae Maiori quiritibus,

sociis, peregrinisque omnibus S.P.D.

>
>
> Indeed, congratulations are in order for Julilla--but she (and

others) should watch out, for next year my ISP might not go down, or
experience severe difficulties, in the middle of a contest, thus
preventing the necessary communication. . .

>
> Congratulations, Julilla!

Et felicitatio, Flavia Tullia -- I fully expected to divide the
laurels with you. It must have been extremely frustrating to have
that hiccup in the ether -- and in the midst of a contest too!

--

Julilla Sempronia Magna

(Triarius enters the Forum, followed by an elaborately decorated
wagon filled with large casks of wine, fruit, desserts and good
cheer, celebrating the Munera Gladiatoria victory and Circenses 2nd
Place Finish of the Ludi gamesÂ…a crowd gathers to investigate the
commotion...)

Salvete!

I would like to take this time to personally thank those Cives whose
brave and noble gladiators fought well in the Munera Gladiatoria and
Ludi Circenses games against my Champion Secutor, Superstes, and the
other guy, Bestius, that I fed to the lions for losing against
Praetor Faustus, and Felix Celeris, the driver of my Factio Veneta
Chariot Velox Puteulanus Sors!

(Triarius salutes his competitors in the Ludi...)

First, I salute Iulius Perusianus and Tenax, his Retiarius!

Second, I salute Lucius Arminius Faustus and the late Memius
Rododactilos, his Thraex (who triumphed over Bestius in the Munera
Gladiatoria Quarter-Finals, but was overcome by Superstes in the Semi-
Finals), and Aristeus Atrox, driver of his Chariot Celer Furiousqve!

Third, I salute Hortensia Maior and Achillea, her Retriarix, and
Herodias, driver of her Chariot Stella Iudaeae!

Fourth, I salute Caius Curius Saturninus and Master Webmaster, his
Retiarius, and Euthymus, driver of his Chariot Inexpugnabilis III!

Fifth, I salute Iulilla Sempronia Magna, and Crescens, driver of her
Chariot Delecta Mea

Finally, I salute Gnaeus Equitius Marinus and Petronius Gnipho,
driver of his Chariot Vita Brevis!

(Triarius reaches in a box in the back of the wagon and pulls out a
dozen scrolls, six labeled "Fighting Secutors for Dummies" and six
labeled "The Dummies Guide to Factio Veneta"...Triarius happily
presents each honoree with one of each of the scrolls...)

May each of you excel in future games against the teams of the Domus
of Triarius!!!

VALETE CIVES NOVAROMANI!

(Triarius fills everyone's cup, distributes platters of food amongst
the crowd, passes out complimentary bottles of his own Vitellian
Garum to everyone and continues on through the Forum spreading good
cheer and enjoying the festivities of the Ludi with his entourage...)

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Lucius Vitellius Triarius
Plebian, Magna Flumen Regio, America Austrorientalis
http://www.angelfire.com/empire2/vitellia/
Owner, Factio Veneta Chariot "Velox Puteulanus Sors"
2nd Place - MEGALENSES Ludi Circenses
Owner of the Gladiator Superstes, winner of the
Munera Gladiatoria, LUDI MEGALENSES MMDCCLVIII
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Salve, et salvete,

I found these totals after a quick googling:

http://ch.c-d.org/ch/culture_swissguard.html

"The Swiss Guard currently consists of a total of 100 men: 4 officials, 1
chaplain, 23 noncommissioned officers, 70 halbardiers, and 2 drummers. "

Vale, et valete,

M. Cassius Peregrinus (pending acceptance)

_____

From: quintuscassiuscalvus [mailto:richmal@...]
Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2005 7:31 PM
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: In Memoriam Ioannes Paulus Secundus



Salve,

They are more like a security force than an acutal standing army. I
went to the Vatican website to see if I could find exact numbers, but
couldn't find the exact numbers if its even stated there. However I
can't imagine there being more than a two or even three hundred Swiss
Guards actually on "active duty" at any given time.

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, raymond fuentes <praefectus2324@y...>
wrote:

> Perhaps I am mistaken, but the Swiss Guard is
> recognized as a standing army, is it not? Are they not
> like modern day Praetorians?

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Salvete Quirites, et salve Triari,

Triarius wrote:

> Finally, I salute Gnaeus Equitius Marinus and Petronius Gnipho,
> driver of his Chariot Vita Brevis!

Thank you. Petro thanks you for the wine, which he's guzzling even now.

Valete,

-- Marinus

G. Equitius Cato I. Semproniae Magnae quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve Sempronia Magna et salvete omnes!

Well done and congratulations! Maybe next year I'LL fight in the
arena and let the tiger answer the questions :-)

Vale et valete,

Cato

Flavia Tullia Scholastica Julillae Semproniae Magnae quiritibus, sociis,
peregrinisque omnibus S.P.D.

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Flavia Scholastica <fororom@l...>
> wrote:
>> Flavia Tullia Scholastica Marcae Hortensiae Maiori quiritibus,
> sociis, peregrinisque omnibus S.P.D.
>>
>>
>> Indeed, congratulations are in order for Julilla--but she (and
> others) should watch out, for next year my ISP might not go down, or
> experience severe difficulties, in the middle of a contest, thus
> preventing the necessary communication. . .
>>
>> Congratulations, Julilla!
>
> Et felicitatio, Flavia Tullia -- I fully expected to divide the
> laurels with you. It must have been extremely frustrating to have
> that hiccup in the ether -- and in the midst of a contest too!
>

Plurimas gratias! It was more than a hiccup, but only in my area
code--the e-mail was extremely slow and intermittent (more often
nonexistent), and web access nearly impossible. Occasionally, I could
access the web but not much else--to take one example, once in a while I
could read the messages for moderation onsite, but the system wouldn't
acknowledge my approval or rejection of same, and access was extremely slow
and spotty. Frustrating is such a gentle word for my thoughts on this. .
.we're all in an internet-dependent organization whose delicate electronic
bonds are all too frail.

As Lentulus knows, I hadn't really planned on entering this (or any
other) contest--I'm not the competitive sort, but got lucky with the first
few answers, and thought I'd try it anyway. Trust you know I was teasing
about next year. . .

>
> Julilla Sempronia Magna
>
>

Vale, et valete,

Flavia Tullia Scholastica

>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

G. Equitius Cato quirites S.P.D.

Salvete omnes!

A most hearty round of applause (and good Falernian) to the Aediles
and their cohors for a resoundingly good set of Games! L. Iulius
Sulla, Q. Salix Cantaber Uranicus, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, M.
Constantinvs Serapio, Iulius Sabinus, P. Minucia-Tiberia Strabo, you
have all done a magnificent job!

Even if I lost EVERYTHING.

Not to sound bitter or anything.

<Cato blows his nose, wipes away a tear, and stands to recite>

IN MEMORIAM SCYLLAE

Higgledy-piggledy
Great Mother's ludi
Where Cato's great Scylla
Once fought at his best;
Stirring the crowds with an
Ampitheatrically
Ravenous tiger
Who ate all the rest.

Well, he didn't really, but he's dead now so give him a little
benefit?

Valete bene, and again, congratulations on an excellent set of ludi!

Cato
Not Bitter That He Has To Buy a New Set of Ferocious Beasts

Salve

philipp.hanenberg@... wrote:

<<The next one is this impressive funural went back to an old tradition in the roman catholic church the sign of peace before you get your comunion. This wasn't done since a long time.>>


I don't know about the rest of the world, but in the U.S., Canada, and Mexico, they give the sign of peace in every Mass. It was nice to see them do it in the Papal funeral Mass. His Holiness, John Paul II, would have approved.


<<Extraordinary was also the present of the whole religious leaders and this was also one of the very_very few moments the political leaders were so quiet and silent you can count it on one hand such happened before. You could see definetly that traditions, thousands of yrs old can bring them to shut up.>>


It was nothing short of shocking! Then to see heads of state, from countries that consider each other as enemies, actually shake hands.....well, I was just glad I was sitting down.


<<Another impressive thing were the people who cry "Santo subito"
Vox populi, vox dei
They want to see JP II to become holy.
That's not so easy since some decades but the roman catholic church showed the world what they are!
And it is also an importand point when the collegium decides about to speak pope JP II "holy"
Not just wonders only. But it will need a minimum of 2 yrs.>>


I suspect the Church will wait for a few years before making any decisions. It will be interesting to see how the possible canonization of Pope John Paul II progresses.


<<But one of the most impressive facts are the youngsters who came in masses to be with "their" pope.
It was a perfect sign to all that young ppl are looking for a moral leadership also if they don't agree with all pope JP II said.>>


I agree with you, completely. I think the young people of the world are so hungry for moral guidance, that even though they may not have agreed with everything Pope John Paul II said, they love that he reached out to them.

<<As a side note: I switched between CNN and Eurpean TV stations and have to say CNN cut a lot and had a time different of some seconds :)
Well and sometimes they used to look around with their cameras while the others were still focused on St. Peter's Square>>

I, myself, watched the BBC's coverage of the funeral, but one of the Spanish language stations also had very good coverage, and continous coverage from the moment it was announced the Pope was dying to the evening of the day of the Pope's funeral. It made me glad I know Spanish so I could follow along. I know French and Italian, too, but the BBC is the only European station on regular TV.

Bene vale

Maxima Valeria Messallina


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> A most hearty round of applause (and good Falernian) to the Aediles
> and their cohors for a resoundingly good set of Games! L. Iulius
> Sulla, Q. Salix Cantaber Uranicus, Cn. Cornelius Lentulus, M.
> Constantinvs Serapio, Iulius Sabinus, P. Minucia-Tiberia Strabo,

you

> have all done a magnificent job!

Don't thank me for the Ludi Megalesia as in Sulla's cohors I'm not
involved in the games :-)
On the contrary, I'm responsible for the games which will start
tomorrow (Ludi Ceriales) ;-)

By the way, my congratulation to Aedilis Sulla and his Cohors on
these Ludi!

OPTIME VALE
M'C.Serapio
Aedilis Plebis

Salve, Lucius Iulius Sulla

Thank you for sharing your experiences. It's wonderful to hear from someone who was actually there. All Italians should be proud. What a wonderful example, put before the whole world, of just how well large events can be done.
Let's hope it set a precedent.

Bene vale

Maxima Valeria Messallina


Lucius Iulius <21aprile@...> wrote:

SALVETE CIVES

I come into this discussion just to give my testimony about the perfect organization of all the ceremonies and corollary organized after the death of Pope Ioannes Paulus II, as I was there as a volunteer MD for the assistance of the pilgrims arrived to Rome.
I had never participated to such a big event in my life before, and I was really impressed by the huge number of persons arrived in Rome: all the ages and races were there represented, and I was happy to be there.But what did astonished me was the organization of the all event: everywhere in Rome there was someone (volunteer or policeman or whatever) who could give you any needed informations or free water. All the streets of Vatican City and the part of Rome around were "presidiated" by forces that showed you where to go and what to do. Hundreds of doctors and paramedics where in the strategic points.
E.g., for me to get into S. Peter's square, I had to pass 8 (eight)control posts where I had to show my documents and pass (even if I had my coat of MD)...
With an exceptional organization and a big amount of luck, nothing happened during these exceptional days!

VALETE
L IUL SULLA
Aedilis Curulis
Italia

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> <<The next one is this impressive funural went back to an old

tradition in the roman catholic church the sign of peace before you
get your comunion. This wasn't done since a long time.>>

>
>
> I don't know about the rest of the world, but in the U.S., Canada,

and Mexico, they give the sign of peace in every Mass. It was nice
to see them do it in the Papal funeral Mass. His Holiness, John Paul
II, would have approved.

>
>

Salvete omnes,

That is correct about the sign of peace but it is done all over the
world from what I understand. Now I go to a Latin American church in
Edmonton also. At that sign of peace you also get a kiss and a hug
often from the senoritas. I found that a little stange at first but
you can be sure old Quintus is not going to complain about that!
LOL, similarily at the Our Father, prior to communion you have to
hold hands with the person on each side of you as the prayer is
said. More often than not I try to make sure there are females on
either side. Ah well, such are cultural differences.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Salvete Quirites,

The following message was sent to the group owners. I see nothing
objectionable about it, and am therefore passing it along to you.

Valete,

-- Marinus

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Roman Legions book release and author presentations
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 17:40:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: Sarah Stephan <sarahs@...>
To: Nova-Roma-owner@yahoogroups.com


Dear Nova Roma Forum Owner,

Thank you for your forum and the service you provide for your members. I
wanted to let you know about a new book release I think your members will
find of particular interest.

Major Tony Clunn, discoverer of the Varus battlefield in Germany, will be
in the United States for a speaking tour in late April/early May. His trip
coincides with the release of his book, The Quest for the Lost Roman
Legions: Discovering the Varus Battlefield.

In 9 A.D., three Roman legions under Varus were slaughtered in a
well-planned ambush by German troops led by Arminius (also known as
Hermann). The Quest for the Lost Roman Legions describes author Tony
Clunn’s hunt for and discovery of one of the western world’s most
important battles. You can read an excerpt from the book, an interview
with the author, and view the travel schedule on our website here
http://www.savasbeatie.com/LostRomanLegions.html

Originally from England, Major Clunn now lives in Germany, just miles from
the battlefield he discovered. As you can imagine, his discovery and its
implications are fascinating, culturally, historically, and
archeologically speaking.

Major Clunn will be speaking at many colleges and bookstores throughout
the United States. He will also give presentations to German-American and
Roman reenactment groups. You can view the travel schedule directly here
http://www.savasbeatie.com/ClunnSchedule.html

I would appreciate your sharing this information with anyone who you think
would be interested. Perhaps you could even post the link to the book
information and travel schedule in your forum. Seeing a presentation by
Major Clunn will be a neat experience.

Thank you for your time. If you have any questions or would like any more
information, please let me know.

Best,
Sarah Stephan

Savas Beatie LLC
P.O. Box 4527
El Dorado Hills, CA 95762
www.savasbeatie.com
Voice: 916.941.6896 (9-5, Pacific Standard Time)
Fax: 916.941.6895

New Citizens of Nova Roma;

Several of you have asked if I would again list the access codes (URLs) to past newsletters. I am pleased to do so:

For the three 2005 issues of "Aquila"go to:

www.novaroma.org/aquila

You will immediately see the masthead and sidebar of the "Aquila" newsletter. At the bottom of the sidebar, there is an archive link which will take you to the 2005 past issues.

For the 2004 past issues of "Eagle" go to:

http://livinghistoryengineer.com/roman/eagle/index/htm

Please enjoy these issues as they are your newsletters as Citizens of Nova Roma. You are free to contrtibute to the newsletters as you desire and under the instructions listed earlier on this net.

Very Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens -- Editor Commentarium -- Nova Roma

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Salvete Quirites,

Simon Larente wrote:

> Is that a spam?

No, it's a blank e-mail that had an attachment stripped from it,
probably sent by a virus that infested someone's computer.

> pjtuloup@... wrote:I have received your document. [...]

This is one of the reasons we have the mailing list set to strip away
any attachments, because of the way that viruses tend to propogate
themselves in attachments.

Valete,

-- Marinus

SALVE GN EQUITI CATO!

Thank you for your words, I hope you had a good time!

> have all done a magnificent job!

> Even if I lost EVERYTHING.

For this reason rivers of wine are all around here!

> Well, he didn't really, but he's dead now so give him a little
> benefit?

He'll got an epitaph in my future Forum, trust me! ;-)

BENE VALE
L IUL SULLA

> Valete bene, and again, congratulations on an excellent set of

ludi!

>
> Cato
> Not Bitter That He Has To Buy a New Set of Ferocious Beasts

A. Apollonius Cordus Hugoni omnibusque sal.

Welcome to our community, and good luck with your
application for citizenship (if you do apply).

The censores have answered most of your questions
pretty thoroughly, but I'm afraid my friend C.
Equitius has given you a slightly confused answer to
question II. Let me try to give you a better one:

> II. Both when perusing the Nova Roma website, and
> when reading books
> about Ancient Rome, I find it confusing that there
> seem to be no
> clear rules for which part of a name to use when the
> whole name isn't
> stated. What name would a close friend use? When? A
> father, mother,
> sister or brother? How should a business associate
> be referred to? Et
> cetera.

The first question is how many names to use. The
general rule is that more names are more formal. So to
address someone formally, use at least three of his
names. If he has more than three and you only want to
use three, use the praenomen, the nomen, and one of
the cognomina. Which cognomen? I'll come back to that
later. Using three or more names is really very
formal, roughly the equivalent of "Dr. T. P. Wiseman".

Addressing someone by two names is still moderately
formal; the equivalent, perhaps, of "Dr. Wiseman" or
"Peter Wiseman". In the senate people were usually
called by two names, and the senate was a pretty
formal place. In informal circumstances on would use
just a single name.

The number of names you use also depends on whether
there's any danger of confusion. Often you would call
someone by two or three names when first referring to
him but later drop into using one name.

Which names? Well, if you're using just a single name,
you almost always use the cognomen. [N.B.: the Nova
Roma website, and various leges, use the word
"agnomen" to mean "any name in addition to the normal
three". This isn't correct, and the rogatores are
working on correcting the mistake. An agnomen is an
extra name which is conferred as a personal honour.
Any other type of fourth, fifth, sixth... name is a
cognomen, like the third one.]

The cognomen was historically associated with nobles.
A noble ("nobilis") was (probably) someone descended
from a curule magistrate (curule aedile, praetor,
consul, censor, dictator, magister equitum). So a
noble will expect always to be addressed by his
cognomen. If you're talking to (or about) a non-noble,
you can be polite by using the cognomen, but if you
want to make a point of his non-nobility you could use
his nomen. It wouldn't be exactly rude, but it would
put him in his place!

The praenomen is a very informal and private name. If
you call someone by one name only, it will never be
the praenomen unless the person you're talking to (or
about) is your close relative, lover, or very close
friend. Otherwise it's pretty rude. But there are some
exceptions - when a person has a very rare praenomen,
such as Kaeso or Appius, it's more acceptable to use
it on its own. But to be safe, avoid calling anyone by
praenomen only.

If you use two names, it's a bit more complicated. For
most of the history of the republic, it worked like
this: praenomen + cognomen for nobles, praenomen +
nomen for non-nobles. Very late in the republic
(during the last generation) a new fashion developed
of calling everyone, noble and non-noble, by nomen +
cognomen or cognomen + nomen. I used to follow the
late fashion, but I now use the earlier practice since
it represents republican culture better.

Finally, if a person has several cognomina, which one
do you use? Well, you can use all of them of course,
but that would be more formal. The normal practice is
to use the first one, with the following exceptions:

Calling someone by an agnomen (an honorary name such
as Felix, Magnus, Maximus, Pius, Germanicus,
Britannicus, &c.) draws attention to the honour which
he received, and is therefore quite flattering.

Names ending in -ianus or -inus usually indicate that
a person has been adopted. So calling someone by that
name draws attention to the adoption. It's not
necessarily rude, because it's no shame to be adopted,
but you normally wouldn't do it unless you want to
make a point. So you might do it, for instance, to
emphasise the relationship or a person to his former
gens (since the adoptive cognomen is formed from the
old nomen).

So, to your specific examples:

> To be more concrete, when would the following
> combinations be
> appropriate? (I hope the illustrious Horace will
> forgive me for using
> his name.)
>
> Quintus Horatius Flaccus?

Formal, e.g. introducing yourself, making a very
formal declaration, &c. Or, if using all three names
is the only way to avoid confusion with another person
with a similar name.

> Quintus?

If you are his brother, father, wife, lover, &c.; or
if you're being rude to him.

> Quintus Horatius?

If you're being moderately formal and he's not a
nobilis.

> Horatius?

If you're being informal, he's not a nobilis, and you
don't want to go out of your way to be nice to him.

> Horatius Flaccus?

If you're using the late-republican fashion in a
moderately formal situation.

> Flaccus?

In normal, informal conversation, if he's a nobilis or
if you want to be nice to him by addressing him as if
he were one.

> (Even in the excellent Essential Latin section,
> there seems to be
> some confusion: In the example 'Apollonius Sullae
> suo S.P.D.' it
> seems as if the sender uses his own nomen, but the
> cognomen of the
> recipient. Is that standard practice?)

Presumably Apollonius here is a non-nobilis (as indeed
all the Apollonii are) and Sulla is a nobilis (e.g. L.
Cornelius Sulla).

Also, on the use of titles: what our Cato says about
"Censor Marinus" is true in Nova Roma, but is not at
all historical. The Roman very rarely addressed each
other by title. They did, however, quite commonly use
little epithets such as "Marinus meus" ("my Marinus",
i.e. "my friend Marinus") or "Marinus noster" ("our
Marinus"), or "clarissimus Marinus" ("very famous
Marinus"), or "Marinus mel" ("Marinus honey" - his
wife might call him this, but I probably wouldn't),
and so on.

> III. I don't think I've seen anything about it on
> the website, but I
> believe that it was standard practice in Ancient
> Rome that women kept
> their `maiden' names as married, and did not take
> their husbands
> names. Is that the same in Nova Roma? Does that mean
> that a married
> couple (who presumably wish to be considered married
> also under
> Novoroman law) should NOT choose similar names? Or
> should they at
> least share the same gens (clan)?

Just to add a little to Cn. Equitius' answer:
marriages within a gens seem to have been rare
(probably about as rare as marriages between people
with the same surname in the modern world), but were
not necessarily forbidden. People with the same nomen
but different cognomina were probably not very closely
related, and might indeed not be related at all, so
marriage between them wouldn't have been incest. Such
marriages may perhaps have been more common among the
lower classes than we know: among the aristocracy, of
course, marriages were often used to secure alliances
between different gentes, and so marriage within the
same gens was very rare.

> IV. Now, suppose that Quintus Horatius Flaccus and
> Lucia Iulia Amanda
> are married. After some years, they get four
> children, two girls and
> two boys. What should the children be named? I guess
> they should take
> the nomen of their father (`Horatius'), but what
> else? Lex equitia de
> familia seems to suggest that both nomen and
> cognomen of the father
> should be passed on to the children (in female for
> for the girls, I
> suppose).

That's right. Also it was usual for the eldest son to
take the same praenomen as the father; and many gentes
had certain praenomina which they used a lot and
others they never used. So you would pretty much
expect Q. Horatius Flaccus' eldest son to be called Q.
Horatius Flaccus (minor - *not* junior). Presumably in
Nova Roma this would apply to the eldest child, so if
the eldest child were a daughter she would be Q.
Horatia Flacca. But taking the father's praenomen
isn't compulsory.

> V. Is it true that gens (clan) is defined by the
> nomen, and domus
> (house/lineage) by nomen+cognomen, whereas there is
> no indication of
> familia (family) in the name? Given the shortage of
> praenomina, I
> suppose that you will soon end up with many people
> sharing the same
> three names in more prolific lineages.

Yup. That's not usually a problem, because normally
it'll be possible to work out who you mean from the
context. But when it gets very bad, different branches
of a given domus will tend to take extra cognomina to
distinguish them. The Cornelii Scipiones were a very
prolific lineage in the republic, so they accumulated
a lot of cognomina. The most famous one was Cornelius
Scipio Africanus. His agnomen, Africanus, was
honorific and wouldn't normally have been inherited,
but since there were so many other Scipiones it was
quite useful and it became hereditary. There were also
the Scipiones Nasicae; and indeed there were so many
of them that they acquired even more cognomina, e.g.
Cornelius Scipio Nasica Corculum.

But remember that a Roman's full name is more than
three names: it includes the name of his father, his
grandfather, and his tribe. Our consul of last year
signs himself Cn. Salvius T. f. A. n. Ouf. Astur
(Gnaeus Salvius Astur, son of Titus, grandson of
Aulus, of the tribe Oufetina).

In the late republic there were two famous cousins,
both politicians and lawyers, called Q. Mucius
Scaevola. One was an augur and one a pontifex, so
sometimes they were called Q. Scaevola Pontifex and Q.
Scaevola Augur. But their fathers were brothers, so
another common habit (which Cicero, who knew both men,
preferred) was to say Q. Scaevola P. f. and Q.
Scaevola Q. f.

I hope that gives you a fair idea of how it all works.
Roman names are very expressive, and can convey many
different implications; but remember that the Romans
were practical people and they were quite prepared to
bend the rules of etiquette in order to avoid confusion.

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Salvete,



Since a couple of us are compiling bibliographies
for posts we have sent to various NR lists,

perhaps these sources could be added to the
NR-Amazon list? Doesn't NR get a % on books

purchased via those links?



Also, if the above is the case and a good idea, to
help the webmaster, is there a preferred

format to submit such titles.



Vale, et valete in pacem deorum

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AVETE OMNES

The Ludi Ceriales start today and it's time for you to enlist your
chariot for the chariot races! You only have a few time!!!

The citizen who want to take part in the next chariot races must
send an e-mail to Quintus Salix Cantaber at qsalixcant@....
Deadline for subscription is Wednesday April 13th. Each subscription
must bear the subject header "Ceriales Ludi Circenses" and include
the following information:


A. His/her name in Nova Roma

B. The name of his/her driver

C. The name of his/her chariot

D. His/her tactics for the Quarter and Semifinals

E. His/her tactics for the Finals

F. The name of his/her "factio" or team (Albata, Praesina, Russata,
or Veneta)

G. Dirty actions against another factio in a specific round (quarter-
final,
semi-final, or final) and amount of sesterces paid in support of it
(an entrant
does not have to pay sesterces to commission a dirty action, but
doing so
increases the chances of success

H. Defence against dirty actions in a specific round (quarter-final,
semi-final,
or final) and amount of sesterces paid in support of it (an entrant
does not
have to pay sesterces to defend against a dirty action, but doing so
decreases
the chances of success of the dirty action)

I. If sesterces from multiple entrants are pooled to take a dirty
action or
defend against a dirty action, the subscription of each entrant of
the pool must
so indicate.

Come on Novaromani! Maybe you lost the Megalesia ludi circenses? You
might win the Cerealia!

OPTIME VALETE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Aedilis Plebis

AVETE CIVES NOVAE ROMAE

Today is the first day of the Ludi Ceriales, or Cerealia, the
festival of Ceres.
Ceres is the goddess of agricultural fertility in general and grain
in particular. According to Vergil, the name "Ceres" comes from the
Latin word "creare", "to create". She is one of the twelve "Dii
Consentes". Visual depictions of Ceres were largely derived from
Greek portrayals of Demeter.

The goddess was worshiped in many ways. There was the "porca
praecidanea", which involved sacrificing a fertile female pig and
was necessary before a harvest. Cato indicates that sacrifices of
any large food item will do, however, and suggests a pumpkin as an
acceptable substitute for a pig, since it can be cut open and the
seeds offered to Ceres in much the same way the entrails of the pig
would be. After the offering of the "porca praecidanea", it was
customary to also give the goddess a libation of wine.

Ceres' major festival was the Cerealia or Ludi Ceriales, held from
April 12th to 19th to celebrate the growth of grain and other
agricultural products. The central and oldest ritual of this
festival was a rite in which lit torches were tied to the tails of
foxes. It was performed in the Circus Maximus in the Vallis Murcia,

With the founding of the Republic in 500 BC, Ceres picked up a new
association as the goddess of the plebeian class. The archives of
the decrees of the Roman Senate and of the Concilium Plebis were
stored in her temple by the plebeian aediles. The office of the
tribune of the plebs was protected directly by Ceres. Anyone who
harmed a tribune could be killed with impunity, and his goods
consecrated to Ceres.
At the beginning of the Cerealia, plebeian families typically
invited each other to special banquets.

That was to give you a few information about this very important
goddess. Our Flamen Cerealis Flavius Galerius Aurelianus will come
back to us in these days to perform the proper rituals.

For the Ludi Ceriales in Nova Roma my intention has been to extend
the games to other languages, thus trying to involve also those
citizens who don't speak English. For this reason some of the games
of these Ludi will be held in English, Italian and French. For the
next Ludi I shall organize, the Ludi Plebei, I will do my best to
include Spanish, Portuguese and German as well.

As you know in these Ludi Ceriales we will have as always the
chariot races. They will take place on the last three days of the
Ludi, according to tradition. I invite you all to subscribe the
chariot races!

The other two main elements of the Cerealia will be two new
games: "De Romanis Illustribus" and "Battle against Carthago".
You'll learn more about them quite soon ;-)

May Ceres smile upon Nova Roma!

I hereby declare the Ludi Ceriales open!
Enjoy the Cerealia!!!

OPTIME VALETE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Aedilis Plebis

M. Hortensia Maior Plebibus spd;
Avete Plebes;

this is the major celebration of the plebs. Let's honour divine Ceres and our
patron godddess who watches over the well-being (what is well-being
without grain?) of the people by entering and participating in the games.

You may not be aware, but such things as chariot races and other new
games are as much a part of the religious celebration as the caerimonia.

So participate omnes; show your devotion to the plebs and Ceres!
Ceres diique vos ament
Marca Hortensia Maior TRP

> As you know in these Ludi Ceriales we will have as always the
> chariot races. They will take place on the last three days of the
> Ludi, according to tradition. I invite you all to subscribe the
> chariot races!
>
> The other two main elements of the Cerealia will be two new
> games: "De Romanis Illustribus" and "Battle against Carthago".
> You'll learn more about them quite soon ;-)
>
> May Ceres smile upon Nova Roma!
>
> I

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima <violetphearsen@y...> wrote:

> Salve
>
> philipp.hanenberg@w... wrote:
>
> I agree with you, completely. I think the young people of the

world are so hungry for moral guidance, that even though they may
not have agreed with everything Pope John Paul II said, they love
that he reached out to them.

Salve,

He was a very much a people person and knew when to dispense with
the trappings of protocol. I was listening to the radio on the way
to work and they had on a priest who had taken a class of parochial
school students from Boston to Rome and had managed to get an
audience with Pope John Paul II. He was reading to them and
said, "The peace of the Lord be with you." Instinctively the
students responded, "And also with you." There were a couple
cardinals and bishops there as well who's heads snapped up that
these students had dared to interrupt the Pope. The priest said,
The Pope just smiled and said, "Thank you."

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

AVETE OMNES

Let's start! Here below you find the first sentence of the "De Romanis
Illustribus" contest.

1- This man is also known for having drawn a circle on the sand around
Antiocus IV...
Who was he?

If you think you know who the sentence refers to, send an e-mail with
the answer and your roman name to mcserapio AT yahoo DOT it.
In the subject line please write "DER OMANIS ILLUSTRIBUS"
You have 24 hours to do it.

OPTIME VALETE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Aedilis Plebis

MAGNA MATER PROJECT BULLETIN APRIL 2758 A.U.C.

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INVOCATIO

Let the sky revolve twice on its never ending axis!
Let Titan thrice yoke and thrice unyoke his steeds!
Straight away the Berecythian Pipe will blow
A blast on its bent horn
And the festival of the Idaen Mother will have come!
Gallae will march and thump their hollow drums
And cymbals clashed on cymbals
Will gather their tinking notes!
Seated on the necks of her attendants
The Goddess herself will be borne with howls
Through the streets of the city's midst.
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THIS MONTH:

We have celebrated a very eventful and enjoyable Ludi Megalesia!...details below....
Work continues on our website, and we are about to begin some serious planning for fundraising.
Speaking of which...we have within the month received 37,00 Euros in donations....thank you! Could we could on a small donation from you today dear reader? Details are provided below on how to help this project financially...

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MAGNA MATER GENERAL PLAN

Listed below are the general goals being worked on to the achieve our overall objectives of the Magna Mater Project:

i. Official Website

A domain was purchased earlier this year for hosting of our official website http://www.magnamaterproject.org from Aruba.it Servers.

The continued task which lies ahead is to develop the site in cooperation with University of Rome personnel (more on this below). In addition, the translation of website material to other languages has been discussed, and incorporation of sound dynamics. Three dimensional graphic presentations of the Magna Mater Temple structures as they appeared in antiqua is another work in progress. Have a look!



ii. Material to Promote This Project
....leaflets
....publications
....business cards
....DVD:
Filming has been completed, and we are now focused on the more technical aspects of production, as well as deciding on the most efficient distribution avenues. We will keep you updated.

iii. A 6-month scholarship for a student of the University of Rome (est. 6,000 Euros)

iv. Multimedia CD ROM
There are three viable options:
a) simple CD of presentation of the Project (10-50 pictures, 5-20 text pages, 100-1000 copies)
b) generic content CD (100-200 pictures, 25-70 text pages, music and audio effects, 3-D animations, more than 1000 copies)
c) professional CD (cost would be higher than the above: pictures, some with reserved rights, 2 or 3 experts in the multimedia field)

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LUDI MEGALESIA 2758 A.U.C.

Our many many thanks to those who participated in this years games and contests during this year's celebration!

Lucius Iulius Sulla Curule Aedile extends his many thanks to those who hosted the competitions, and to those who designed and updated the excellent website detailing this year's events.

The Winners:

Megalesia Certamen Historicum: Julilla Sempronia Magna Senatrix

Megalesia Venatones: Franciscus Apulus Caesar Senior Consul Novae Romae
(I'm glad that leopard came through for you, Caesar :))

Megalesia Munera Gladiatoria: Lucius Vittelius Triarius

Megalesia Rhetorical Poetry Contest: L. Arminius Faustus Tribunus Plebis

Megalesia Ludi Circenses: C. Curius Saturninus Tribunus Plebis

**Congratulations**!!

An excellent graphic tribute to our victors may be seen here:

http://www.cohorssullana.grafosystem.ro/results.htm

Thanks to T. Iulius Sabinus and his assistants for this fantastic site!

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UNIVERSITY OF ROME AND SOPRINTENDENZA COOPERATION

Our primary contact individual with the University of Rome La Sapienza is Professor Patrizio Pensabene, Dipartimento Di Scienze Storiche, Archeologiche e Antropologiche dell Antichita

http://antichita.let.uniroma1.it/def_eng.htm

Our website texts and accompanying graphics are currently being developed by our cohors, and they will be presented to Professor Pensabene for his inspection and feedback, prior to their appearance on the site. We have made progress in this regard. It is a mutual goal of the collaboration of the Magna Mater Project and the University that all academic content on the website be as historically accurate as possible.

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COHORS AEDILES WEBSITE

For any inquiries concerning the work of the Curule Aedile or the Magna Mater Project in general, please contact Lucius Iulius Sulla @ 21Aprile@...


The address MagnaMater@... remains available as well.

Please visit http://www.insulaumbra.com/aediles/perusianus for a detailed look at the work of the Cohors and the Magna Mater Project.

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FINANCIAL STATUS AND FUNDRAISING

Currently, our balance is 726.66 EUROS, accounting for monetary conversion rates to EUROS from USD and other currencies.

All donations to this exciting initiative are very much appreciated.

Again,our heartfelt thanks to those who have donated financially to this project.


.If you wish to help out with fundraising, yet don't have time to actively participate, or are perhaps tight on cash, you can help out tremendously by displaying the Magna Mater link on your website. If you have any questions about this please contact Lucius Iulius Sulla Curule Aedile 21Aprile@...

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PROMOTION OF THE MAGNA MATER PROJECT

........IV Conventus Novae Romae 2758 Roma Italia!

Your chance to convene with other Novae Romae in the Eternal City!!!
And...your chance to tour many of the city's ancient sites, including those of the Magna Mater Project !!!
August 4-11

Please visit the main website page for the link to the details

http://www.novaroma.org

Fill out your passport application if you do not have one, and save your sestertii, amici!




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"Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@...> wrote:

Salvete omnes,

That is correct about the sign of peace but it is done all over the world from what I understand. Now I go to a Latin American church in Edmonton also. At that sign of peace you also get a kiss and a hug often from the senoritas. I found that a little stange at first but you can be sure old Quintus is not going to complain about that!
LOL, similarily at the Our Father, prior to communion you have to hold hands with the person on each side of you as the prayer is said. More often than not I try to make sure there are females on either side. Ah well, such are cultural differences.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus


Salve, Quintus Lanius Paulinus

For many years, people held hands at the saying of the Our Father at San Gabriel Mission, which is one the old California missions, where I use to attend Mass. Then Cardinal Mahoney issued a decree that in the archdiocese of Los Angeles, that practive was to stop and the people were to, instead, hold their hands up as in prayer. The decree was obeyed in the English speaking community, but the Hispanic community refused to abandon the old practice as Mahoney found out, personally.
I was attending the Spanish language Mass with friends who were visiting me from Mexico. It was the feast of Our Lady of Guadalupe and Mahoney was the main celebrant at the Mass. Now, the congregation was reminded, before the Mass started, of the Cardinal's new decree. I was curious to see what was going to happen. We came to the Our Father and not only did the people hold hands, they even spread out across the aisles so that the people at the end of the pews were holding hands with the persons at the end of the opposite pews. It looked like Hands Across America, with row upon row of people holding hands in complete defiance. The look on Mahoney's face was priceless. How I had wished I had brought a camera. It was all I could do to keep from laughing out loud.
Ah well, Mahoney, such are cultural differences!

Bene vale

Maxima Valeria Messallina


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This will be the first in a series of four courses
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This first course will deal with:

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- some important legal concepts
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AVETE OMNES

Thank you for your questions to Prof. Andrew Lintott. His answers
will be published as soon as possible.

It's now time to pass to the next interview.
The new expert invited by the Academia Italica is Dr. Baldassarre
Conticello.

Baldassarre Conticello has been the Archaeological Superintendent of
Pompeii from 1984 to 1994, where he introduced for the first time
the systematic employment of modern technologies and sciences in
archaeological surveys, from photogrammetry to paleobotany.
He has directed a number of archaeological excavations both in Italy
and in Libya.

The subject of the interview will be:
"Pompeii: its history and its lessons about ancient Rome".

You see Dr. Conticello held one of the most important and coveted
offices in the world of archaeology. You can't miss this opportunity
to interview him!
If you would like to send him a question, send me an e-mail at
mcserapio AT yahoo DOT it.

OPTIME VALETE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Aedilis Plebis
Propraetor Italiae

AVETE OMNES

The Ludi Ceriales where introduced in Rome in 202 BC. You surely
remember it was an important year for Rome. It was the year of the
great battle at Zama against the Carthaginians.

This historical period is the setting for "Battle against Carthago",
a new game for Nova Roma while celebratin the Ludi Ceriales.
It's only a few weeks before the historical battle. While going back
to Africa Hannibal tries to strike the last Roman towns in southern
Italy.

Rome has been informed that a group of Carthaginians led by Hannibal
himself is going against a Roman town. A small army is sent against
them, but when it arrives there the Carthaginians have already
entered the town. However they do not expected to be followed by
the Roman army, so the Roman commander gives order to enter the town
and attack the enemy.

Unluckily a sentinel sees the Romans and gives the alarm, but the
Carthaginians are too few to fight. When the Romans arrive into the
town the Carthaginians soldiers are hidden into the houses, into the
public buildings, in the dark backstreets.

You are a member of the Roman army and the Roman town is... the
website of Nova Roma!!!
30 Carthaginian soldiers are hidden everywhere in the pages of
www.novaroma.org
Look for them! For each Carthaginian soldier (MILES CARTHAGINIS) you
will be awarded a certain amount of points.

20 Soldiers will give you 1 point each
10 Soldiers will give you 2 points each

And... if you'll find Hannibal you'll get 8 points!!!

The Carthaginian soldiers are hidden in the English pages only of
the website. They are not hidden in the provincial websites.

If you want to take part in "Battle against Carthago" you have to
look for the Carthaginian soldiers and Hannibal in the pages of
www.novaroma.org. As soon as you find one immediately send me an e-
mail with your Roman name and the URL (web address) where you found
it. Send your mail at
mcserapio AT yahoo DOT it.
Please write in the subject line "BATTLE AGAINST CARTHAGO".

You will have to be fast, as you will get no point if that soldier
has already been found by somebody else!

And now, come one! Start looking for the enemies!!!

OPTIME VALETE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Aedilis Plebis

PS These facts are not historical. The only aim is to have fun to
celebrate the Ludi Ceriales.

AVETE OMNES

I'll be busy later today, so I`m posting now the second sentence
of "De Romanis Illustribus", but you still have time to answer to
the first one. Later tonight I'll post the results of the first day
of this game.

Many citizens are taking part in "De romanis illustribus". Of course
the first sentence was quite easy. The second one will be >>very<<
easy too, but don't think it will always be like that! That's just
the beginning. We'll se who will arrive at the end! ;-)

2- She is probably the most famous mother of ancient Rome!
Who was she?

If you think you know who the sentence refers to, send an e-mail
with the answer and your roman name to mcserapio AT yahoo DOT it.
In the subject line please write "DE ROMANIS ILLUSTRIBUS"
You have 24 hours to do it.

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Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Aedilis Plebis

Salvete omnes,

I notice that on PBS in North America there is a good documentary
series on the great battles throughout British history. Last night
they had the " Boudiccan Rebellion ". Sadly I was too busy getting
my income and corporate taxes arranged last night so I only caught
the last 20 minutes. The computer graphics of the battle were not
bad at all giving one a clearer understanding of the tactics which I
always foung a little difficult to understand on papers and diagrams.

Hopefully this will be repeated again during the week. The series
covers this Roman era right up to the Battle Of Britain from what I
gather. Next to Roman history I love history of Britain and her
empire. Enjoy!

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Salve Senator Pompeia,

For those of us who do not use paypal; should money orders be made out
to the "Magna Mater Project" or should they be included on our tax
payment to Nova Roma with instructions?

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

PS: I know paypal is easier for NR but I have had a big glitch with
them when I tried to change my credit card and just got in an awful
loop with no resolutions. Also I am getting too many bogus enquiries
from id theives using paypal and ebay logos so I pulled the plug.
Hopefully, in future we can use our credit cards directly in NR.