Today you have 24 hours to find a Roman reference in the work of Iggy Pop.

Yesterday's reference was to "Julius Caesar and the Roman Empire" in the song 'Weather With You' - this was first released on the album Woodface, and not Recurring Dream (which is a 'best of' compilation). Reference to "plates from Rome" in 'Italian Plastic' (also Woodface) was also acceptable.

L. Cassia Silvana gets 2 points today and has now gained the lead (with 6 points). Cn. Iulius Caesar got only one point this time, and is now in 2nd place (5 points). A. Iulia Caeca entered for the first time yesterday and gained 2 points, putting her in third place. M. Flavius Fides remains on 1 point.

Livia

"mater, ades, florum, ludis celebranda iocosis"

Today there's a new competition in the Ludi Florales: the above is the first line of Ovid's comments on the Floralia, and the challenge today is to make as many Latin words as possible from those letters. You may use each letter only as many times as it appears in the sentence.

In order to avoid counting the same word many times with different inflections, only the infinitive form of verbs and the nominative singular form of nouns and adjectives will be accepted.

Words must have at least 4 letters in order to be counted.

The winner will be the person who has sent me the most different words by 10am (Roman time) on Tuesday May 3rd. The OLD will be the final judge of whether a word is acceptable (so Classical Latin only, please).

Anyone who can also make a sentence of grammatically correct Latin which is a perfect anagram of Ovid's sentence, using each letter precisely once (but none of the same words) will get a LOT of extra credit :)

Livia

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>
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The group was

> founded late in March, and we've already had many

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figures, politics,

> culture and wars of Ancient Rome. We would love to

keep the group

> going, and to bring the group's message to more

people than ever

> before. If you enjoy the wonders of this fascinating

civilisation,

> whether you are just casually interested or an

expert on the era,

> all are welcome to join our little community. With

regular polls and

> expanding photos and links section as well, there is

so much to

> experience. Feel free to join now at:
>
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>
> Hope to see you at the Temple!
>
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Salve,

What? No Troparion quote?

Vale
--- gaiusequitiuscato <mlcinnyc@...> wrote:

> OSD G. Equitius Cato
>
> Salvete omnes!
>
> Today is Kalendis Maiis; the day is Fastus.
>
> Today is the fourth and central day of the Floralia.
> The city would
> have been decorated in flowers, and the people would
> wear floral
> wreaths or flowers in their hair. Games would be
> celebrated on this
> day. The celebration of this day survives in many
> cultures where it is
> known as May Day.
>
> This day is also sacred to Lares Praestites, the
> protectors of the
> city. The Lares guarded one's domus (household),
> crossroads and as
> the Lares Praestites, the State. The Lares of the
> crossroads were
> feted at the Ludi Compitales, a feria conceptiva in
> early January. A
> compitum the point where two roads or paths or
> tracks or city streets
> (vici) met. In the country, farmers would build a
> sacella (a simply
> shrine). At the compita, farmers would hang broken
> ploughs. On the
> night before the Ludi Compitales, folks would hang
> wooden dolls (one
> for each freeborn member of the domus) and wooden
> balls (one for each
> slave). Some Romans believed that these wooden
> symbols were
> substitutes for earlier days when the rite involved
> human sacrifice.
> By the time the kings were expelled, however, heads
> of garlic were
> substituted for human beings. If the origins of the
> ritual were in
> human sacrifice, then the Lares may have been ghosts
> of the dead, as
> much as guardian spirits of the farm. Other scholars
> believe that the
> ritual was purgative, and that the wooden symbols
> served as lightening
> rods that would capture the numen of the Lares and
> keep them around
> the farm for the coming year. In the city, the
> sacella were erected
> where residential streets crossed and served as the
> center of cult of
> the vicus (neighborhood). Neighbors contributed
> honey cakes and
> sacrificed a fattened pig at the ceremonies for the
> Ludi Compitales.
> Slaves were allowed a full share in the festivities
> and it was
> generally a very good time with street parties and
> dancing in the
> cities(comparable to New Year's Eve). The feast was
> simultaneously one
> of the familia and of the neighborhood. In Rome,
> collegia compitalicia
> formed to organize the celebebration and during the
> civil wars, elite
> Romans feared that these collegia could become a
> site of political
> activity. The collegia compitalicia were banned and
> reinstated,
> outlawed (with the Ludi) by Caesar, and finally
> restored by Augustus.
> The celebration of the Lares of the Crossroads
> clearly originated in
> the early, agricultural days of Rome. The
> celebration of the Lares
> Praestites in the city dates to the Etruscan kings.
> A sacellum Larum
> existed on the Palatine in Tacitus' day and a temple
> in their honor
> was located on the Via Sacra. Ovid and Plutarch
> associate dogs with
> the Lares Praestites. According to Plutarch, the
> Lares wore dogskins
> and according to Ovid, statues of dogs were found on
> their altars.
> Apparently the popularity of the festival declined
> after Augustus
> restored the Ludi Compitales.
>
> "After the acquisition of Gabii, Tarquin made peace
> with the Aequi and
> renewed the treaty with the Etruscans. Then he
> turned his attention to
> the business of the City. The first thing was the
> temple of Jupiter on
> the Tarpeian Mount, which he was anxious to leave
> behind as a memorial
> of his reign and name; both the Tarquins were
> concerned in it, the
> father had vowed it, the son completed it. That the
> whole of the area
> which the temple of Jupiter was to occupy might be
> wholly devoted to
> that deity, he decided to deconsecrate the fanes and
> chapels, some of
> which had been originally vowed by King Tatius at
> the crisis of his
> battle with Romulus, and subsequently consecrated
> and inaugurated.
> Tradition records that at the commencement of this
> work the gods sent
> a divine intimation of the future vastness of the
> empire, for whilst
> the omens were favourable for the deconsecration of
> all the other
> shrines, they were unfavourable for that of the fane
> of Terminus. This
> was interpreted to mean that as the abode of
> Terminus was not moved
> and he alone of all the deities was not called forth
> from his
> consecrated borders, so all would be firm and
> immovable in the future
> empire. This augury of lasting dominion was followed
> by a prodigy
> which portended the greatness of the empire. It is
> said that whilst
> they were digging the foundations of the temple, a
> human head came to
> light with the face perfect; this appearance
> unmistakably portended
> that the spot would be the stronghold of empire and
> the head of all
> the world. This was the interpretation given by the
> soothsayers in the
> City, as well as by those who had been called into
> council from
> Etruria. The king's designs were now much more
> extensive; so much so
> that his share of the spoils of Pometia, which had
> been set apart to
> complete the work, now hardly met the cost of the
> foundations. This
> makes me inclined to trust Fabius - who, moreover is
> the older
> authority - when he says that the amount was only
> forty talents,
> rather than Piso, who states that forty thousand
> pounds of silver were
> set apart for that object. For not only is such a
> sum more than could
> be expected from the spoils of any single city at
> that time, but it
> would more than suffice for the foundations of the
> most magnificent
> building of the present day." - Livy, History of
> Rome 1.55
>
> Today is also the Feast of the Great and Holy
> Pascha. On the Great
> and Holy Feast of Pascha, Orthodox Christians
> celebrate the
> life-giving Resurrection of our Lord and Savior
> Jesus Christ. This
> feast of feasts is the most significant day in the
> life of the Church.
> It is a celebration of the defeat of death, as
> neither death itself
> nor the power of the grave could hold our Savior
> captive. In this
> victory that came through the Cross, Christ broke
> the bondage of sin,
> and through faith offers us restoration,
> transformation, and eternal
> life. The Resurrection of Iesus Christ is the
> fundamental truth and
> absolute fact of the Christian faith. It is the
> central experience and
> essential kerygma of the Church.
>
> "It is the day of Resurrection; let us be radiant
> for the festival,
> and let us embrace one another. Let us say, O
> brethren, even to those
> that hate us: Let us forgive all things on the
> Resurrection!; and thus
> let us cry: Christ is risen from the dead, by death
> He has trampled
> down death, and on those in the tombs He has
> bestowed life." - The
> Doxastikon of Praise
>
> Christos anesti!
>
> Valete bene,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
>

A. Sempronius Regulus

Astra inclinant, non necessitant. - Albinus
Aequam memento rebus in arduis servare mentem. - Horace
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Salvete omnes!

I had a go at making words from the phrase . not very good, I'm afraid.
Unfortunately, I didn't quite understand the rules: "You may use each letter
only as many times as it appears in the sentence." I assumed from that rule
that the words one finds can only add up to the total of the letters in the
phrase. If this is the case, then I can only find 7 words (locus, deus,
terra, femina, collis, dare and mos) - this leaves "BAD", which probably
defines my contribution!

Valete optime!

Sextus Pilatus Barbatus





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Subject: [Nova-Roma] Floralia - word games



"mater, ades, florum, ludis celebranda iocosis"

Today there's a new competition in the Ludi Florales: the above is the first
line of Ovid's comments on the Floralia, and the challenge today is to make
as many Latin words as possible from those letters. You may use each letter
only as many times as it appears in the sentence.

In order to avoid counting the same word many times with different
inflections, only the infinitive form of verbs and the nominative singular
form of nouns and adjectives will be accepted.

Words must have at least 4 letters in order to be counted.

The winner will be the person who has sent me the most different words by
10am (Roman time) on Tuesday May 3rd. The OLD will be the final judge of
whether a word is acceptable (so Classical Latin only, please).

Anyone who can also make a sentence of grammatically correct Latin which is
a perfect anagram of Ovid's sentence, using each letter precisely once (but
none of the same words) will get a LOT of extra credit :)

Livia





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> I had a go at making words from the phrase . not
> very good, I'm afraid.
> Unfortunately, I didn't quite understand the rules:
> "You may use each letter
> only as many times as it appears in the sentence." I
> assumed from that rule
> that the words one finds can only add up to the
> total of the letters in the
> phrase.

Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. That isn't what I meant
- any given word may only contain a given letter as
many times as it appears in the sentence. So, for
instance, there are three instances of the letter A in
the line of verse, so you can't make a word with four
As in it - not much of a restriction, so we're
probably looking for quite long lists of words!

If, on the other hand, you're going for the bonus
anagram points, you need to make one Latin sentence by
simply rearranging the letters of Ovid's line.

Livia


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Today you have 24 hours to find a Roman reference in
the works of the Divine Comedy. If there happens to
be a tie after this question, there will be
tie-breakers, but other than that, this is the final
question of the competition.

Both L. Cassia Silvana and Cn. Iulius Caesar were
correct about yesterday's question - the answer being
the track 'Caesar' on the album American Caesar. They
get two points each.

The current points totals are:
L. Cassia Silvana 8 points
Cn. Iulius Caesar 7 points
A. Iulia Caeca 2 points
M. Flavius Fides 1 point

Livia

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By the continuous blessings of Queen Minerva and Apolo of the silver bow,

1. Citizen G. Equitius Marinus remains as moderator of Main List of Nova Roma until 31th June 2005.

Given at São Paulo, first day after the kalendas of may, on the consulship of F. Apulus Caesar and G. Popilius Laenas.


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Condemnant quod non intellegunt

Graecum est; non potest legi

Sentio aliquos togatos contra me conspirare.

Flavia Tullia Scholastica Gaiae Fabiae Liviae Sexto Pilato Barbato
quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque omnibus S.P.D.

>> I had a go at making words from the phrase . not
>> very good, I'm afraid.
>> Unfortunately, I didn't quite understand the rules:
>> "You may use each letter
>> only as many times as it appears in the sentence." I
>> assumed from that rule
>> that the words one finds can only add up to the
>> total of the letters in the
>> phrase.
>

I interpreted this in a similar fashion.

> Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. That isn't what I meant
> - any given word may only contain a given letter as
> many times as it appears in the sentence. So, for
> instance, there are three instances of the letter A in
> the line of verse, so you can't make a word with four
> As in it - not much of a restriction, so we're
> probably looking for quite long lists of words!
>

Well, now I can expand mine, but, optima Livia, as you well know,
grammatically-correct Latin sentences using only the nominative case are
more figments of the imagination of very elementary Latin students than of
anything having to do with reality! Of course, they haven't heard of that
'difficult' form, the infinitive, for modern texts seem to stick to the
third person singular of the present tense in the indicative mood.

Did you want the answers sent to you privately, as is the norm, at your
regular address, or at the ludi address, or did you want them posted to the
ML? Usually posting to any list invalidates the answer, and sometimes
removes the person from contention--but don't do that here, as I like to
have another skilled Latinist working on these little projects, even if we
have to eliminate the answers he gave.

> If, on the other hand, you're going for the bonus
> anagram points, you need to make one Latin sentence by
> simply rearranging the letters of Ovid's line.
>
> Livia
>

Vale, et valete,

Flavia

> Well, now I can expand mine, but, optima Livia,
> as you well know,
> grammatically-correct Latin sentences using only the
> nominative case are
> more figments of the imagination of very elementary
> Latin students than of
> anything having to do with reality!

The nominative case restriction is for the individual
words.

The anagram sentence is a separate matter, for anyone
who fancies a different - more difficult - challenge.
Of course it *may* not be possible to make another
sentence using those precise letters, but it usually
is with such things!

It is of course possible to submit both types of
answer.

I'm sorry for all this confusion - this is what
happens when I have to send e-mails from my mobile
phone!

> Did you want the answers sent to you privately,
> as is the norm, at your
> regular address

Yes, just to me by e-mail, thank you.

Livia

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VICESIMA QUARTA
The Newsletter of
LEGION XXIV - MEDIA ATLANTIA

APRIL - MAY 2005

Gallio Velius Marsallas / George Metz
Praefectus - Commander
13 Post Run - Newtown Square PA 19073-3014
610-353-4982
legionxxiv@... www.legionxxiv.org

Commilitones

ADVENAE - Newcomers
*** Joseph Federico (Cosmus Nepius Lurio) jfederico3@... from Ridgewood, NJ, inquired about gladiator reenactment.
He was added to our Newsletter e-mail list and forwarded to Maximus Gladius, John Ebel, Summa Palus of the Ludus Magnus Gladiators. We hope to possibly also have him as a Roman Legionary when he is not engaged in the "Games"?
*** Charles Bagby (Gaius Junius Germanicus) meddicsp6@... has inquired about the Legion. While we welcome his interest in Legion XXIV, he has been directed toward Legion XX, which is much closer to his residence in Powhatten, VA. At this time he is listed as a vexillation serving away from the main body of the Legion. We hope to have with us at our upcoming campaigns.
*** Mario Agredano (Quintus Arrius) will be serving as a vexillation in Laredo, Texas and may find a Legion unit closer and more convenient to him. Although he is in a distant province, he will receive the "Vicesima Quarta" and we hope to have him with us in the future.
*** Please join me in welcoming these new members to our ranks.

ROMAN DAYS NORTHEAST - MAY 14 & 15 - Coming Up Soon !!
Julie and Lawrence of LaWrens Nest will be hosting their annual Roman Days Northeast event at the Fairgrounds, near Woodstock, CN. They are planning a varied and interesting event schedule, which will include some participation by the attending public. Legio III Cyrenaica, Legio III Italica, Legio X, Legio XXIV, and members of the SCA, Roman re-enactors and the Ludus Magnus Gladiators will be taking part. Unfortunately, with great regrets, your Commander cannot attend due to other commitments, but other Legion XXIV members are strongly encouraged to take part.
The more Romans there are, the better it is for the show.
Consult http://www.lawrensbasement.com/RomanDaysNE.html or contact lawrensnest@...
for more information, hotels, directions, etc.


Mike Heenan of Legio III Cyrenaica will be the Praefect in charge of overall military personnel.
He will be overseeing any military maneuvers that will be happening on Sunday, aka pilum-chucking, drills, etc.
Andy, the Roman Dude and Randy-2, in command of Legio III Cyrenaica, will be assisting Mike.
Ed Wittofski, commander of Legio III Italica, will be in charge of the fort area.
Please see Ed for anything involving where you are, equipment set-up, tent set-up or other, in the fort area.

Main Show Schedule
11:00 am Rosenalia parade, celebration and opening of encampments, set-up of legion standards - from main gate, around the fair to the fort
11:30 am Roman Dude Presentation - main parade field
11:30 to 2:00 pm - re-enactment presentations, demos, talks - various encampments
12:30 pm - pilum chucking demo - main parade field
1:00 pm - pre-gladiatorial fight talk and demos - Gladiator encampment
2:00 pm - legion drill maneuvers - main parade field
2:30 pm - tax collectors taken hostage by hostile Celts (designated personnel only)
3:00 pm - siege weapon demo -location near main parade field
4:00 pm - gladiator fights - main parade field
4:30 pm - new recruit contest - main parade field
4:45 to 5 pm - closing ceremonies and ending military march - fort area to the gates

Kids Activities Schedule
11:30 a.m. face painting
12:00 p.m. storytelling
12:30 p.m. special scutum-making project
1:30 pm face painting
4:00 pm storytelling
Coloring, mosaic-making activities ongoing throughout the day.
Horse rides throughout the day. Live action role playing with Roman angels group throughout the day.
4:45 - 5:00 pm - closing ceremonies, rosenalia parade
Ongoing: all other kids activities, recruiting, food court, vendors, etc.

Check In Time: 1 pm on Saturday or anytime after 7 am on Sunday morning.
All re-enactors must be in attire by 10:30 am Sunday and all vehicles or other modern items removed from fair area by this time.
Unless you plan to help with set up on Saturday, DO NOT show up until 1 pm, we won't be ready for you, otherwise you will be volunteered for set-up. Of course, if you want to help with set-up, we'll certainly appreciate the extra hands.
If you absolutely need to be on grounds before 1 pm on Saturday, call us ahead of time, either at 860-928-6908
or by cell on Saturday at 860-662-0709.

Park and Check In with La Wren's Nest to sign waivers and be directed where to go from there.
Legionaires - first check in with Mike of Legio III Cyrenaica.
Legionaires - second check in with Ed of Legio III Italica to get your assigned fort space.
Other re-enactors and vendors - check in with La Wren's Nest to find out where your encampment or vending space is located.
Camping - if you plan to camp on the grounds Saturday evening, there is plenty of space available in designated areas.

We will have access to toilets and possibly showers as well for people. Please leave them cleaner than you find them, Clean and free of trash! Let us know at check-in if you plan to camp-out.
No fires, smoking or alcohol are allowed on the fairgrounds site. Pets are not allowed either (sorry).
The fairgrounds will have floodlights on, so there will be plenty of lighting available.
Problems or concerns - check with La Wren's Nest or either of the Legio III's commanders.

Someone from La wren's Nest will be staying on site Saturday evening to provide security and to address any issues that may arise. Please note, although we provide some site security, you are ultimately responsible for your wares and belongings.
We are not responsible for lost or stolen items.
Lastly, we plan to have a pizza party Saturday evening after set-up.
Anyone wanting pizza, let us know. There's a minimal donation of $5.00 per person.


ROMAN DAYS - MARIETTA - JUNE 4 & 5

Matt Amt and his Legion XX will again be hosting their annual Roman Days event - All Rome! - All Day!! - on Friday, Saturday and Sunday, June 3, 4 & 5, at the Marietta Mansion, 5626 Bell Station Road, Glendale MD.
Roman Days is the Twentieth Legion's annual Big Event, to which all other Romans and other interested parties are invited. This year, the event is being run by Deb Fuller, and she has put together a series of informational pages which will explain all.
Goto http://www.larp.com/legioxx/rdays.html for detailed information on this great Roman Event.
There is an email discussion group for planning purposes, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/romandays/. Susan Wolfe is the Site Manager at Marietta, swolfe612@... or 301-464-5291.

Saturday
10:00 Open to the Public
11:00 Full Muster - Opening Remarks
11:30 Kids' Cohort (Drill)
11:30 Marietta House Tour
12:15 Gladiatorial Show
1:00 Massed tactical and drill demo
1:30 Kids' Cohort (Drill)
2:00 Artillery & Missile Demo
2:30 Marietta House Tour
3:15 Evolution of the Roman Soldier
4:00 Event Closes for the Day

Sunday
10:00 Open to the Public
11:00 Olympic Competition (Armor race, Pilum Throw, Hamata Toss,Wrestling
11:30 Drill and Kids' Cohort
11:30 Marietta House Tour
12:15 Gladiatorial Show
1:00 Massed tactical and drill demo
1:30 Kids' Cohort (Drill)
2:00 Artillery & Missile Demo
2:30 Marietta House Tour
3:15 Closing parade of units
4:00 Event Closes for the Day


MARCHING THRU TIME - AFTER ACTION
Although the Commander was only able to attend on Sunday, several other Legion members took part on both days.
Faithful Quintus Johanson turned-out along with two of our newest recruits, Leon Delgado and Chris Goshey (Tiberius Claudius Vindex). They both have outfitted themselves and required between them only a loaner helmet, gladius and baltius belt to form-up with the unit. We welcome them to our ranks. The Catapulta was field tested with its new trigger mechanism and performed well, but it really needs the new skein collars and washers being fabricated for it to perform up to expectations. Even so, it was reaching near the limits of the available field space. The Commander test-wore his Centurion subarmilis, which performed well. He then turned-out with Legion XX as their signifer wearing his new Gallic-C helmet surmounted by an impressive bear pelt, which drew many photos and attention from the public. It is not every day that you see someone walking around with a bear skin over his head! There seemed to be more period units participating this year, primarily from the 20th Century wars. The attendance also seemed to be up and the legion camps were kept busy talking to the public and advising them of the heritage of Ancient Rome.

MID WEST VEXILLATION AFTER ACTION REPORT
Quintus Fabricius Varus Praefecto Gallioni Suo Plurmimam Salutem Dicit.


Salve. I am proud to relate of our recent presentation to the Journey Through Time program at Holmes Middle School near Millersburg, Ohio, on Saturday, 9 April 2005.

In attendance were: Quintus F Varus and Titus Flavius Ambiorix, the Tesser of the Nervii Cohort of Gallic auxiliaries.

Activity: We went down to Ohio Friday night and stayed at the home of Rod and Anna Tennant, whose family warmly welcomed us with evening snacks and a delicious ientaculum the following morning. Saturday, we drove to Holmes Middle School near Millersburg and set up a display of both legionary and auxiliary equipment. We put on three shows that day on basic life in the Roman army, basic drill instruction, and basic fighting tactics using volunteer tirones from the audience-which did result in three decimations. Legionary flyers were distributed and the Praefectus can expect to hear soon from other parties interested in the Legion's returning in the future.

The Holmes 4H Club was our host and treated us to lunch, as well as discount coupons for dinner.

Optio Varus wishes to particularly commend the performance of Tesser Ambiorix of the Gallic auxiliary troops. This was his FIRST Roman event, and his conduct and professionalism were very impressive, demonstrating Roman coins and further explaining life in Gaul during ancient Roman times.



By your leave, Maneo in Servitio Tuo,



Quintus Fabricius Varus, Optio - Vexillatio Mediavespera - Legio XXIV


LOOK! - ITS A BEAR - OH MY !
The Commander debuted his new bear pelt mounted over a Gallic-C helmet at "Marching Thru Time". With its teeth, padded claws and staring eyes that seem to follow you, the omniverous cinnamon colored mammal garnered a lot of attention from both kids and adults alike. It is somewhat smaller than the wolf pelt, which remains in service, so we now have proper attire for both our signifer and vexiller (when we have the men to carry both - hint, hint). While the Wolf was popular, the Bear was a real attention-getter. After all, how many people have actually seen a bear up close! See him on the Signum Page at www.legionxxiv.org/signum


UPCOMING CAMPAIGNS for 2005
*** April 16-17 Marching through Time, Marietta Mansion, Glendale, MD
*** May 13-14 Roman Days Northeast, Fairgrounds, Woodstock, CN. The Commander cannot attend, but other Legion members are most encouraged to take part. An interesting and varied program is planned.
*** May 20-21 Time Line Event with Ludus Magnus, Suffolk, LI, NY
*** June 3-5 Roman Days, Marietta Mansion, Glenn Dale, MD. Includes visits by school groups on Friday, and possibly a mini-symposium on Thursday.
*** June 18-19 Muster on the Maumee, Fort Meigs, Perrysburg, OH, south of Toledo
*** July 9-10 Rome Invades the "Harbor Fest" in Wells, ME, Thousands expected to Be There!
*** July 30-31 Annual Fort Malden Military Days, Amherstburg, Ontario
*** August 6-7 Major Roman Event at Canadian Museum of Civilization in Ottawa, Canada
Marc Sarault (Marcus Darius) 613-859-8289 or marcus_darius_firmitus@...
*** August 16-20 Pennsic War, Coopers Lake Campground, New Castle, PA, I-79 and Rt 422
*** September Roman Market Days, Wells
*** October 22-23 Probable Ren Faire appearance, Waterloo Village, Netcong, NJ, I-80-exit 25 11AM-5PM

Thanking you for your continued support of Legion XXIV, I remain;

Yours in the Bonds of Ancient Rome

Gallio / George



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Yesterday's answer was the reference to Julius Caesar
in the song 'Eric the Gardener' on the album Fin de
Siecle.

At the end of the competition, Lucia Cassia Silvana is
our winner, having answered every question completely
correctly. Congratulations!

Livia


Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

The winner of the Floralia word game is Flavia Tullia
Scholastica, with somewhere in the region of 300
words! Well done :)

Livia

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Ahhh! How much fun! I enjoyed going through some of the albums I
haven't listened to in awhile and had forgotten about. Thank you,
Livia, for this excellent game and the work involved, and much thanks
to those who played along! -L. Cassia Silvana

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "C. Fabia Livia" <c_fabia_livia@y...>
wrote:

> Yesterday's answer was the reference to Julius Caesar
> in the song 'Eric the Gardener' on the album Fin de
> Siecle.
> At the end of the competition, Lucia Cassia Silvana is
> our winner, having answered every question completely
> correctly. Congratulations!
> Livia

G. Equitius Cato F. Tulliae Scholasticae S.P.D.

Salve, domina!

Congratulations and felicitations! Over 300? Jumpin' Jumble, Batman,
that's amazing!

Valete bene,

Cato

Salve
well I am now homeless , so I guess i am not paying taxes
this year so i guess i lose my office sorry all
vale
--
Sacerdos Templi Mercurius
Sacerdotus Provincia America Boreoccidentalis
Lictor
House Priest Patrician Gens Cornelia
Marcus Cornelius Felix
magewuffa@...



Condemnant quod non intellegunt

Graecum est; non potest legi

Sentio aliquos togatos contra me conspirare.

Flavia Tullia Scholastica Gaio Equitio Gaiae Fabiae Liviae quiritibus,
sociis, peregrinisque omnibus S.P.D.

>G. Equitius Cato F. Tulliae Scholasticae S.P.D.
>
> Salve, domina!
>
> Congratulations and felicitations! Over 300? Jumpin' Jumble, Batman,
> that's amazing!
>

Plurimas gratias tibi Liviaeque. These Latin word games are a good
exercise for those of us who know Latin (as all of us here should to some
degree at least), which I have enjoyed very much, and not because I won
them--the first time in my life I've ever won anything!

I would have found even more words given more time--and a more correct
understanding of the rules, for in my haste, I didn't print the revised
rules out, and thought that one was limited to using a given letter only as
many times as it occurred in a given word in the sentence, not, as I have
discovered by re-reading the rules, that one was allowed to use each letter
as many times as it occurred in the entire line from Ovid. I also would
have found more words in the interesting grid game offered by Manius
Constantinus Serapio during the last ludi--if my system had displayed and
printed all 18 horizontal rows instead of only 10, as it did subsequently,
but not during the competition. Both require a good knowledge of Latin
vocabulary, and the previous one was aided by a knowledge of Latin grammar.
We have several good Latinists here on this board, and I hope that they
enter any similar games in the future--'tis good practice! (Besides, I
don't want to be the only competitor, and hope that I wasn't!)

Below I have added the list of words that I found; I'll add a few in
brackets, and the definitions of the more obscure ones, as well as the
grammatical form when necessary.

> Valete bene,
>

> Cato
>

My original list, with only the 37 letters, was
'mons ater celer flos adire Naso'--highly grammatical. [no way. . .]

The list is not alphabetical, but I have separated it by initial
letters:

ater, adire, amor, adesse, aedis, abesse, alter, alius, aliter, aestas,
aestus, Aetna, aereus, aeneus, Aeolus, aeger, adumbrare, adulter, alium,
agere, adurere, adulescens, abscondere, absentia, absonus, abnuere, abluere,
absistere, ambo, amare, amarus, anus, ansa, anas, audire, audere,
auctoritas, auctor, aucto, amor, albus;

bene, belua, bilis, bimus, biremis, basiare, basium, beatus, bonus,
bonum, bonitas, bucina, bucinator;

carus, caritas, caelum, caelestis, caelebs, celer, celeritas, causa,
cauda, cornu, canere, cantare, cantus, canor, canus, canis; [I missed
'collis,' from my misunderstanding of the rules]

dare, delere, delirus, discere, diruere, dirimere, dirus, dissidere,
distare, dius, deus, demere, dolere, dicere, docere, doctor, decus, dolabra,
dolor, dolus, dolium, dulcis;

ebrius, emere [I missed the very obvious 'esse']; flos, fons, florere,
flere, fletus, flumen; iocus, iocari, inesse, inter, itus, iubere, incipere,
inceptum;

lacuna, lacus, lacunar ['paneled ceiling'], litus, litura ['correction,
erasure'], limus ['mud'], linea, lineus, locus, locare, locusta, lues,
luere, lumen, luna, lunaris, lucerna, lucere, lebes, leaena, lena, leno,
letare, letum, liber, licere, liberare, lentus, lana, laneus, lanista,
Latinus, Latium, Latona, latro, latus, laudare, laus, ludus, ludere, labor
[noun], labi [verb--infinitive of 'labor,' 'slip, slide'], lorum ['rein,
strap'--from which arises 'lorica,' which I also missed];

nasus, naris, nemo, nemus, nere [neo, nere; spin], Nero, nidus, neuter,
nescius, nocere, nodus, nitor [noun], niti [verb], nitrum [soda, nitre],
nota, notare, notus, noscere, noster, nubere, nupta, nudare, nuper, nutare,
Naso, nasci, nauta, nare, natare;

moles, molire, munire, meus, micare, meta, metus, metiri, metere,
mentio, mens, mentum, mensa, mensis, mercator, merere, mons, madere, mater,
marinus, maritus, medius, malus, malum [apple], mors, mandare, mandatum;

otium, procul, resonare, ritus, robur, Roma, ruber, rosa, roseus, rota,
rima, rotare, rudens, rimari, reditus, rete, rudis, rubor, rana, raeda,
radere, ratio, reus, recens, rectus, recte, roborare, rodere, rumor, ruere,
rumpere;

sanus, sermo, sero, struere, saltem, salum, salus, sacer, sacerdos,
scindere, saepe, stola, solus, sopor, sonus, sordes, sonare, sors, sedare,
sica, sicarius, sidere, sidus;

tener, temo ['beam,' of a plow, cart, etc., 'the Big Dipper', which is
also known as the 'Wain' {wagon}], tenor, tenuis, teres ['rounded'], tunc,
tuba, tutor, tutus, tuber, tubicen ['trumpeter'], trudere, tueri, tumor,
tundere, tunica, turba, turbo, turma, turpis, tutela, taberna, terminus,
terminalis, termes, taedere, taedium, taenia, talaris, tantus, tantum,
tardus, tardare, teges [mat], tectum, uter.

There are lots more--my understanding of the rules eliminated the
infinitive of second and third conjugation verbs containing an 'e' in the
stem, though I see a couple slipped through, and eliminated double
consonants other than 's,' as well as words containing more than one 'u,'
such as 'uterus.'

What is also interesting here is that there is no 'q,' a sound of which
the Romans were rather fond, as anyone with the most rudimentary
understanding of Latin is well aware. Thus the relative and interrogative
pronouns were automatically eliminated, as were several demonstrative
pronouns and adverbs. The common third-declension termination 'x' was also
missing, so one could not count any of the numerous nouns ending in x, or
nouns or verbs compounded with 'ex.' There is also no letter 'g,'
[eliminating 'ago' and its compounds] or 'h,' or 'p' [eliminating all
compounds of 'pro-'], and the letter 'v' is also missing, though one could
make a case for spelling this with a 'u,' but that's a case I won't make.

Can anyone else find some other words, just for fun?

Vale, et valete,

Flavia

Equestria Iunia Laeca Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit.

Ego, Equestria Iunia Laeca (Deandrea Boyle), hac re ipsa decus Novae Romae
me defensuram, et semper pro populo senatuque Novae Romae acturam esse
sollemniter IVRO.

Ego, Equestria Iunia Laeca, officio Legatus Regionis Connecticut, Provinciae
Novae Britanniae Novae Romae accepto, deos deasque Romae in omnibus meae
vitae publicae temporibus culturum, et virtutes Romanas publica privataque
vita me persecuturam esse IVRO.

Ego, Equestria Iunia Laeca, Religioni Romanae me fauturam et eam defensuram,
et numquam contra eius statum publicum me acturam esse, ne quid detrimenti
capiat IVRO.

Ego, Equestria Iunia Laeca officiis muneris Legatus Regionis Connecticut,
Provinciae Novae Britanniae me quam optime functuram esse praeterea IVRO.

Meo civis Novae Romae honore, coram deis deabusque populi Romani, et
voluntate favoreque eorum, ego munus Legatus Regionis Connecticut,
Provinciae Novae Britanniae una cum iuribus, privilegiis, muneribus et
officiis comitantibus ACCIPIO.

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Equestria Iunia Laeca Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit.

I, Equestria Iunia Laeca (Deandrea Boyle) do hereby solemnly swear to uphold
the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best interests of the
people and the Senate of Nova Roma.

As a magistrate of Nova Roma, I, Equestria Iunia Laeca swear to honor the
Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the Roman
Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Equestria Iunia Laeca swear to uphold and defend the Religio Romana as
the State Religion of Nova Roma and swear never to act in a way that would
threaten its status as the State Religion.

I, Equestria Iunia Laeca swear to protect and defend the Constitution of
Nova Roma.

I, Equestria Iunia Laeca further swear to fulfill the obligations and
responsibilities of the office of Legatus Regio Connecticut, Provincia Nova
Britannia to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the Gods and
Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor, do I accept the
position of Legatus Regio Connecticut, Provincia Nova Britannia and all the
rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant thereto.

--------------------

May 2, 2005, 2758 A.U.C. in the Consulship of Franciscus Apulus Caesar and
Gaius Popillius Laenas.

Salve,

Anyone want to pop over and inform them there is no letter "J" in
the Roman alphabet, therefore they've spelled Iupiter wrong? <EVIL
GRIN>

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, raymond fuentes
<praefectus2324@y...> wrote:

> Is this why the ML has been so slow as of late?
> Competition? WOW.
> --- SodalitasMilitarium@yahoogroups.com
> <jmperry2005uk@y...> wrote:
> > Hi Group,
> >
> > I would like to take this opportunity to introduce a
> new and vibrant
> > group about Ancient Rome: `The Temple of Jupiter'.

Salve, Calve, et salvete, omnes!

> Salve,
>
> Anyone want to pop over and inform them there is no letter "J" in
> the Roman alphabet, therefore they've spelled Iupiter wrong? <EVIL
> GRIN>
>

Better watch out--our world-famous Master of Latin, Avitus, insists on
those 'j's,' and in Latin, Jupiter is normally spelled differently--as
'Iuppiter,' though the spelling more familiar to us also exists. (the
derivation of this name seems to be from something approximating the meaning
'day-father.')

This temple, incidentally, is the creation of a British schoolboy, who
is apparently quite interested in Roman antiquity--something we should
encourage.

> Vale,
>
> Q. Cassius Calvus
>

Vale, et valete,

Flavia

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, raymond fuentes
> <praefectus2324@y...> wrote:
>> Is this why the ML has been so slow as of late?
>> Competition? WOW.
>> --- SodalitasMilitarium@yahoogroups.com
>> <jmperry2005uk@y...> wrote:
>>> Hi Group,
>>>
>>> I would like to take this opportunity to introduce a
>> new and vibrant
>>> group about Ancient Rome: `The Temple of Jupiter'.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

Salvete!

This woman is astounding! She should write books...and lots of them!

Congrats, Flavia!

Valete,
Triarius

Flavia Tullia Scholastica Lucio Vitellio Triario quiritibus, sociis,
peregrinisque omnibus S.P.D.

> Salvete!
>
> This woman is astounding! She should write books...and lots of them!
>

I used to write fairly well. . .

> Congrats, Flavia!
>

Plurimas gratias, Triari! Many of the words suggested themselves when a
related (or even similar-sounding) word was recalled, or teased out of
Ovid's text--and many more could have been excavated had time and my
understanding of the rules been better adapted to the task at hand.

This sort of thing is a good exercise for anyone who knows some Latin to
try--it'll get your brain cells working, whether you win or not. I'm just
astonished that I did win these two contests, and glad that this type of
mental exercise has been added to the ludi. Sharpen your pens and crack the
books, fellow Latinists! We may have another such contest to test our
knowledge!

> Valete,
> Triarius
>

Vale, et valete,

Flavia

>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

Salvete omnes!

I could not agree more with Flavia Scholastica: the Temple of Jupiter site
is an impressive undertaking by a young gentleman, still at school, who
shows an avid and very well-informed interest in Roman antiquity. It should
be given every encouragement, particularly as among the young these days
ancient history is not a common interest (blame the education system, in
which it appears that the only period of history now worth any serious study
in schools is 1760 to 1950!). Only the modern seems to be relevant now.

A further point - which Flavia has brought up - concerns Jupiter. When we
come across his name in class I always tell the pupils "now for the weirdest
declension in Latin!" I was told (in the mists of my own antiquity) once
that Jupiter comes from the old Latin "Diu Piter" - God Father. Anyone any
idea where the rest of the declension ("iovem" etc) comes from?

Valete optime!

Sextus Pilatus Barbatus



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From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Flavia Scholastica
Sent: 04 May 2005 02:46
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: [SodalitasMilitarium] New Ancient Rome Group



Salve, Calve, et salvete, omnes!

> Salve,
>
> Anyone want to pop over and inform them there is no letter "J" in
> the Roman alphabet, therefore they've spelled Iupiter wrong? <EVIL
> GRIN>
>

Better watch out--our world-famous Master of Latin, Avitus, insists on
those 'j's,' and in Latin, Jupiter is normally spelled differently--as
'Iuppiter,' though the spelling more familiar to us also exists. (the
derivation of this name seems to be from something approximating the meaning
'day-father.')

This temple, incidentally, is the creation of a British schoolboy, who
is apparently quite interested in Roman antiquity--something we should
encourage.

> Vale,
>
> Q. Cassius Calvus
>

Vale, et valete,

Flavia

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, raymond fuentes
> <praefectus2324@y...> wrote:
>> Is this why the ML has been so slow as of late?
>> Competition? WOW.
>> --- SodalitasMilitarium@yahoogroups.com
>> <jmperry2005uk@y...> wrote:
>>> Hi Group,
>>>
>>> I would like to take this opportunity to introduce a
>> new and vibrant
>>> group about Ancient Rome: `The Temple of Jupiter'.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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G. Equitius Cato S. Pilato Barbato quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve et salvete.

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Bird" <p.bird@n...> wrote:

> A further point - which Flavia has brought up - concerns Jupiter.

When we come across his name in class I always tell the pupils "now
for the weirdest declension in Latin!" I was told (in the mists of my
own antiquity) once that Jupiter comes from the old Latin "Diu Piter"
- God Father. Anyone any idea where the rest of the declension
("iovem" etc) comes from?

>
> Valete optime!
>
> Sextus Pilatus Barbatus

CATO: The best source I've found is M. Terentius Varro, in his "De
Lingua Latina" (On the Latin Language). The Romans, he said,
identified the sky with Iuppiter and Earth with Iuno: "These same gods
Sky and Earth are Iuppiter and Iuno..." and he quoted Ennius who said
Iuppiter is called air by the Greeks, and is identified with wind and
cloud, rain, and cold. Varro added: "Because all come from him and are
under him, he addresses him with the words: 'O father and king of the
gods and the mortals.' (On the Latin Language, V.65)

Varro explained that the name 'Iuppiter' was derived from "Diespaiter,
that is, 'Father Day;' from which they who come from him are called
dei 'deities,' and dius 'god' and divum 'sky,' whence sub divo 'under
the sky' and Dius Fidus 'god of faith.' Thus from this reason the roof
of his temple is pierced with holes, that in this way the divum, which
is the caelum 'sky,' may be seen. Some say it is improper to take an
oath by his name, when you are under a roof." (On the Latin Language V.66)

Varro continued, "Because Iuno is Iuppiter's wife, and he is Sky, she
Terra 'Earth,' the same as Tellus 'Earth,' she also, because she iuvat
'helps' una 'along' with Iuppiter, is called Iuno, and Regina 'Queen,'
because all earthly things are hers." [On the Latin Language V, 67.]
He showed Apollo was the Greek name for the sun, and that the Romans
called the moon Diana. According to Varro, the sky was also called
templum, the temple of Iovis or Zeus. He cited the poets: "One there
shall be, whom thou shalt raise up to sky's azure temples.. " and,
"Trembled the mighty temple of Iove who thunders in heaven..." (On the
Latin Language VII.6-7)

"Idem hi dei Caelum et Terra Iuppiter et Iuno, quod ut ait Ennius:
Istic est is Iuppiter quem dico, quem Graeci vocant
Aerem, qui ventus est et nubes, imber postea,
Atque ex imbre frigus, ventus post fit, aer denuo.
Haece propter Iuppiter sunt ista quae dico tibi,
Qui mortalis, arva atque urbes beluasque omnis iuvat.
Quod hinc omnes et sub hoc, eundem appellans dicit:
Divumque hominumque pater rex.
Pater, quod patefacit semen: nam tum esse conceptum patet, inde cum
exit quod oritur.

Hoc idem magis ostendit antiquius Iovis nomen: nam olim Diovis et
Diespiter dictus, id est dies pater; a quo dei dicti qui inde, et dius
et divum, unde sub divo, Dius Fidius. Itaque inde eius perforatum
tectum, ut ea videatur divum, id est caelum. Quidam negant sub tecto
per hunc deierare oportere. Aelius Dium Fidium dicebat Diovis filium,
ut Graeci Dioskopon Castorem, et putabat hunc esse Sancum ab Sabina
lingua et Herculem a Graeca. Idem hic Dis pater dicitur infimus, qui
est coniunctus terrae, ubi omnia ut oriuntur ita aboriuntur; quorum
quod finis ortuum, Orcus dictus.

Quod Iovis Iuno coniunx et is Caelum, haec Terra, quae eadem Tellus,
et ea dicta, quod una iuvat cum Iove, Iuno, et Regina, quod huius
omnia terrestria."

Vale et valete,

Cato

Salvete Omnes,
this is an interesting article posted in the italian mailing list

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5021848/

Valete
Fr. Apulus Ceasar
Seniro Consul

Salve Consul Fr. Apule Ceasar,

Thank you for the article. Such a program for visitors to Rome is a
great idea!

I have always dreamed of taking some archeology, more Latin courses
then travelling throughout the whole Roman empire from the middle
east to North Africa, the Mediterranean and right up to Hardian's
wall. It would be great fun to do some of it on foot. I realize that
would be costly and take several months and a lot of money but since
I have no kids to put through college etc. I may be able to do it in
several years. Now our University of Alberta used to put on 6 week
course on the Mayan and Aztec civilizations followed by a guided
trip to Mexico and central America; similarily they did Greece one
year. Perhaps something for Rome may come up some day. Well from
Florence to Hong Kong bars are bars and beaches are beaches. Rather
than putting on the pounds on a luxury line and lying on the beach I
think it would be greater fun to incorporate such an expedition with
a long vacation.

Does anyone know of any such travel packages?

Regards,

QLP







--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "FAC" <sacro_barese_impero@l...>
wrote:

> Salvete Omnes,
> this is an interesting article posted in the italian mailing list
>
> http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5021848/
>
> Valete
> Fr. Apulus Ceasar
> Seniro Consul

Ave G Equitius Cato

Thank you so much for such an interesting and erudite reply, which I
thoroughly enjoyed reading.

Vale optime cum meis gratiis

Sextus Pilatus Barbatus



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From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of gaiusequitiuscato
Sent: 04 May 2005 11:08
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: [SodalitasMilitarium] New Ancient Rome Group



G. Equitius Cato S. Pilato Barbato quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve et salvete.

In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Peter Bird" <p.bird@n...> wrote:

> A further point - which Flavia has brought up - concerns Jupiter.

When we come across his name in class I always tell the pupils "now
for the weirdest declension in Latin!" I was told (in the mists of my
own antiquity) once that Jupiter comes from the old Latin "Diu Piter"
- God Father. Anyone any idea where the rest of the declension
("iovem" etc) comes from?

>
> Valete optime!
>
> Sextus Pilatus Barbatus

CATO: The best source I've found is M. Terentius Varro, in his "De
Lingua Latina" (On the Latin Language). The Romans, he said,
identified the sky with Iuppiter and Earth with Iuno: "These same gods
Sky and Earth are Iuppiter and Iuno..." and he quoted Ennius who said
Iuppiter is called air by the Greeks, and is identified with wind and
cloud, rain, and cold. Varro added: "Because all come from him and are
under him, he addresses him with the words: 'O father and king of the
gods and the mortals.' (On the Latin Language, V.65)

Varro explained that the name 'Iuppiter' was derived from "Diespaiter,
that is, 'Father Day;' from which they who come from him are called
dei 'deities,' and dius 'god' and divum 'sky,' whence sub divo 'under
the sky' and Dius Fidus 'god of faith.' Thus from this reason the roof
of his temple is pierced with holes, that in this way the divum, which
is the caelum 'sky,' may be seen. Some say it is improper to take an
oath by his name, when you are under a roof." (On the Latin Language V.66)

Varro continued, "Because Iuno is Iuppiter's wife, and he is Sky, she
Terra 'Earth,' the same as Tellus 'Earth,' she also, because she iuvat
'helps' una 'along' with Iuppiter, is called Iuno, and Regina 'Queen,'
because all earthly things are hers." [On the Latin Language V, 67.]
He showed Apollo was the Greek name for the sun, and that the Romans
called the moon Diana. According to Varro, the sky was also called
templum, the temple of Iovis or Zeus. He cited the poets: "One there
shall be, whom thou shalt raise up to sky's azure temples.. " and,
"Trembled the mighty temple of Iove who thunders in heaven..." (On the
Latin Language VII.6-7)

"Idem hi dei Caelum et Terra Iuppiter et Iuno, quod ut ait Ennius:
Istic est is Iuppiter quem dico, quem Graeci vocant
Aerem, qui ventus est et nubes, imber postea,
Atque ex imbre frigus, ventus post fit, aer denuo.
Haece propter Iuppiter sunt ista quae dico tibi,
Qui mortalis, arva atque urbes beluasque omnis iuvat.
Quod hinc omnes et sub hoc, eundem appellans dicit:
Divumque hominumque pater rex.
Pater, quod patefacit semen: nam tum esse conceptum patet, inde cum
exit quod oritur.

Hoc idem magis ostendit antiquius Iovis nomen: nam olim Diovis et
Diespiter dictus, id est dies pater; a quo dei dicti qui inde, et dius
et divum, unde sub divo, Dius Fidius. Itaque inde eius perforatum
tectum, ut ea videatur divum, id est caelum. Quidam negant sub tecto
per hunc deierare oportere. Aelius Dium Fidium dicebat Diovis filium,
ut Graeci Dioskopon Castorem, et putabat hunc esse Sancum ab Sabina
lingua et Herculem a Graeca. Idem hic Dis pater dicitur infimus, qui
est coniunctus terrae, ubi omnia ut oriuntur ita aboriuntur; quorum
quod finis ortuum, Orcus dictus.

Quod Iovis Iuno coniunx et is Caelum, haec Terra, quae eadem Tellus,
et ea dicta, quod una iuvat cum Iove, Iuno, et Regina, quod huius
omnia terrestria."

Vale et valete,

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A. Apollonius Q. Cassio omnibusque sal.

> Anyone want to pop over and inform them there is no
> letter "J" in
> the Roman alphabet, therefore they've spelled
> Iupiter wrong? <EVIL
> GRIN>

If we do that, we'll have to tell M. Cassius Julianus,
p.m., p.p., that his cognomen is wrong too. :)

Actually 'j' is a pretty harmless letter. If we're
going to reject 'j' because the Romans didn't use it,
by the same logic we have to reject 'v' as well. In
fact we would have to reject *all* lower-case letters
and write either in capitals or in Roman cursive.

The Romans weren't shy about changing the way they
wrote Latin - Sp. Carvilius Ruga (cos. 234) is said to
have invented the letter G, and Ap. Claudius (censor
312) the letter R, the poet Ennius (fl. 180s)
double-letters, Verrius Flaccus (fl. 20s B.C.) a new
letter like the Greek lamba for writing the weak final
'm', and so on. I think they'd have welcomed 'j' and
'v' with open arms, frankly.





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A. Apollonius Q. Cassio omnibusque sal.

Actually 'j' is a pretty harmless letter. If we're
going to reject 'j' because the Romans didn't use it,
by the same logic we have to reject 'v' as well. In
fact we would have to reject *all* lower-case letters
and write either in capitals or in Roman cursive.

QFABIVSMAXIMO*OMNIBVSQVE*SALVETE
ITHINKWEHAVETOREALIZETHATTHEREARECERTAINCONVENTONSWEHAVETOADOPT.
I*VSE*THE*NAME*IUPPITER*OUT*OF*RESPECT*TO*THE*GOD*NOT*BECAVSE*I*DO*NOT
WANT*TO*VSE*A*J*IUST*TO*PROVE*A*POINT.
I believe we should use the manner of address with we are most comfortable.
Q. Fabius Maximus



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Salvete omnes,

As announced a while back, Ridley Scott's "
Kingdom Of Heaven " opens on Friday throughout North America for all
you history buffs.

Regards,

Michael Kelly

It should

> be given every encouragement, particularly as among the young

these days

> ancient history is not a common interest (blame the education

system, in

> which it appears that the only period of history now worth any

serious study

> in schools is 1760 to 1950!). Only the modern seems to be relevant

now.

>
>have been removed]

Salvete omnes,

Actually I wish even those dates were only true. I've run into quite
a few younger people who have not heard about things from the
American Civil War to even Hitler. This unbelievable situation was
brought up on Canadian television this week as they are 60th
anniversary of the end of WW II. Ye gods, I mention these two events
since they've been covered on hundreds of movies right up until the
present.

" To not know what happened before you were born is to live forever
as a child. " - Cicero

Regards,

QLP

Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly) wrote:

> As announced a while back, Ridley Scott's
> "Kingdom Of Heaven" opens on Friday throughout
> North America for all you history buffs.

Salve,

Saw it tonight, along with a couple of other Thuleians. Nice flick. It
was especially neat when the secret plot was revealed, and we found out
the butler did it.

Hmm...that might be considered a spoiler, if the butler wasn't always
the guilty party.

Seriously, fun to watch, lots of epic music, some historicity and a
cliche or two so we can feel at home. And rather good blending of CGI
and regular SFX. Recommended to catch at the cinema if you've got a
dollar to spare, lend, extort or steal.

Vale, Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus.

I saw several such packages offered in the pages of
Archaeology and Archaeology magazines both. I too plan
to take such a trip. Ever read Route 66 A.D?
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mjk@...>
wrote:

> Salve Consul Fr. Apule Ceasar,
>
> Thank you for the article. Such a program for

visitors to Rome is a

> great idea!
>
> I have always dreamed of taking some archeology,

more Latin courses

> then travelling throughout the whole Roman empire

from the middle

> east to North Africa, the Mediterranean and right up

to Hardian's

> wall. It would be great fun to do some of it on

foot. I realize that

> would be costly and take several months and a lot of

money but since

> I have no kids to put through college etc. I may be

able to do it in

> several years. Now our University of Alberta used to

put on 6 week

> course on the Mayan and Aztec civilizations followed

by a guided

> trip to Mexico and central America; similarily they

did Greece one

> year. Perhaps something for Rome may come up some

day. Well from

> Florence to Hong Kong bars are bars and beaches are

beaches. Rather

> than putting on the pounds on a luxury line and

lying on the beach I

> think it would be greater fun to incorporate such an

expedition with

> a long vacation.
>
> Does anyone know of any such travel packages?
>
> Regards,
>
> QLP
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "FAC"

<sacro_barese_impero@l...>

> wrote:
> > Salvete Omnes,
> > this is an interesting article posted in the

italian mailing list

> >
> > http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5021848/
> >
> > Valete
> > Fr. Apulus Ceasar
> > Seniro Consul
>
>

S P Q R

Fidelis Ad Mortem.

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Roman Citizen



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Archaeology Odessy & Archaeology magazines is what
meant to say.
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
<praefectus2324@...> wrote:

> I saw several such packages offered in the pages of
> Archaeology and Archaeology magazines both. I too

plan

> to take such a trip. Ever read Route 66 A.D?
> --- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mjk@...>
> wrote:
> > Salve Consul Fr. Apule Ceasar,
> >
> > Thank you for the article. Such a program for
> visitors to Rome is a
> > great idea!
> >
> > I have always dreamed of taking some archeology,
> more Latin courses
> > then travelling throughout the whole Roman empire
> from the middle
> > east to North Africa, the Mediterranean and right

up

> to Hardian's
> > wall. It would be great fun to do some of it on
> foot. I realize that
> > would be costly and take several months and a lot

of

> money but since
> > I have no kids to put through college etc. I may

be

> able to do it in
> > several years. Now our University of Alberta used

to

> put on 6 week
> > course on the Mayan and Aztec civilizations

followed

> by a guided
> > trip to Mexico and central America; similarily

they

> did Greece one
> > year. Perhaps something for Rome may come up some
> day. Well from
> > Florence to Hong Kong bars are bars and beaches

are

> beaches. Rather
> > than putting on the pounds on a luxury line and
> lying on the beach I
> > think it would be greater fun to incorporate such

an

> expedition with
> > a long vacation.
> >
> > Does anyone know of any such travel packages?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > QLP
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "FAC"
> <sacro_barese_impero@l...>
> > wrote:
> > > Salvete Omnes,
> > > this is an interesting article posted in the
> italian mailing list
> > >
> > > http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5021848/
> > >
> > > Valete
> > > Fr. Apulus Ceasar
> > > Seniro Consul
> >
> >
>
>
> S P Q R
>
> Fidelis Ad Mortem.
>
> Marcvs Flavivs Fides
> Roman Citizen
>
>
>
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Salve Illustrus Paulinus,
yes, there are several travel packages organized by local italian
tour operators. There are agencies specialized in typical travels
like wine routes, archeological experiences, classical cultural
tour, etc. in Rome, vesuvian area, Tuscany, Sicily and south Italy.
You could easily make a search on Google finding many offers.
One of my customers is a tour operator specialized in cultural
incoming in my region Apulia www.salomoneincoming.it

The british Virgin created the first low-cost cruise company
permitting to visit many mediterranean cities with few money. It's
like a "sea" bus...

Vale
FAC


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:

> Salve Consul Fr. Apule Ceasar,
>
> Thank you for the article. Such a program for visitors to Rome is

a

> great idea!
>
> I have always dreamed of taking some archeology, more Latin

courses

> then travelling throughout the whole Roman empire from the middle
> east to North Africa, the Mediterranean and right up to Hardian's
> wall. It would be great fun to do some of it on foot. I realize

that

> would be costly and take several months and a lot of money but

since

> I have no kids to put through college etc. I may be able to do it

in

> several years. Now our University of Alberta used to put on 6

week

> course on the Mayan and Aztec civilizations followed by a guided
> trip to Mexico and central America; similarily they did Greece one
> year. Perhaps something for Rome may come up some day. Well from
> Florence to Hong Kong bars are bars and beaches are beaches.

Rather

> than putting on the pounds on a luxury line and lying on the beach

I

> think it would be greater fun to incorporate such an expedition

with

> a long vacation.
>
> Does anyone know of any such travel packages?
>
> Regards,
>
> QLP
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "FAC" <sacro_barese_impero@l...>
> wrote:
> > Salvete Omnes,
> > this is an interesting article posted in the italian mailing list
> >
> > http://msnbc.msn.com/id/5021848/
> >
> > Valete
> > Fr. Apulus Ceasar
> > Seniro Consul

Salvete.

Is anyone else unable to bring up various pages on the NR website,
such as the Album Gentium, the Senate page etc? They appear to have
been unavailable since yesterday at least.

Valete
Caesar

SALVE CAESARE !

Yes, today I was in the same situation. Album Gentium, Senate page and provinces page was empty.

OPTIME VALE,
IVL SABINVS

Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> wrote:
Salvete.

Is anyone else unable to bring up various pages on the NR website,
such as the Album Gentium, the Senate page etc? They appear to have
been unavailable since yesterday at least.

Valete
Caesar




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Salvete,

I have no idea when the system went down, but I know it must have been
after May 4th, 9pm EDST as I was getting a couple screenshots as I'm
putting together a written set of procedures for the Censor's office
and I was not having a problem at that time which was shortly before I
went to bed.

Everything appears to now be working normally.

Valete,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Magister Aranearius


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar"
<gn_iulius_caesar@y...> wrote:

> Salvete.
>
> Is anyone else unable to bring up various pages on the NR website,
> such as the Album Gentium, the Senate page etc? They appear to have
> been unavailable since yesterday at least.
>
> Valete
> Caesar

AVETE OMNES

INTERVIEW THE EXPERT

You only have a few days to send your questions to Dr. Baldassarre
Conticello about the following subject:

"Pompeii: its history and what it taught us about ancient Rome".

Baldassarre Conticello has been Superintendent of Pompeii from 1984
to 1994, where he introduced for the first time the systematic
employment of modern technologies and sciences in archaeological
surveys, from photogrammetry to paleobotany.
He has directed a lot of archaeological excavations both in Italy
and in Libya.

If you would like to send a question to this expert, send me an e-
mail at mcserapio AT yahoo DOT it

OPTIME VALETE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Propraetor Italiae

Salvete,

a very good news is coming from Romania where the project of building a gold mine on a
important Roman site is having troubles.

All details on:

http://www.fr-novaroma.com/Archeology/

Valete,



Sextus Apollonius Scipio

Propraetor Galliae



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SALVE APPOLONIUS SCIPIO ET SALVETE OMNES !

It's a honour for me, to thanks to all who was interested about Alburnus Maior. And I saw, here, in Nova Roma, a lot of citizens, who, through different ways, had an important contribution to promote this subject.
It's the first duty for us, all who are living in Romania, to do something with our ancient legacy.
I belive in Romania, even we are at the beginning of our democracy.
I want to present, for all, who are interested about the culture from this area this official web-site :

http://www.ici.ro/romania/en/index.html

Thanks.

VALE ET VALETE
IVL SABINVS
Romania - Dacia Province.

Sextus Apollonius Scipio <scipio_apollonius@...> wrote:
Salvete,

a very good news is coming from Romania where the project of building a gold mine on a
important Roman site is having troubles.

All details on:

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A. Apollonius Q. Maximo omnibusque sal.

> I believe we should use the manner of address with
> we are most comfortable.

How trendy and post-modern you are today, senator. I
believe those of us who want to be taken seriously
should use a manner of address which is at least
internally consistent. It's fair enough to use neither
'v' nor 'j', or to use both, but to use one but not
the other is daft.





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Google did it again! It replenished my supply of Gmail invitations(from 27
back up to 50). If anyone would like a invite just e-mail me privately and
I'll send you one. To learn more about Gmail before registering,
visit: http://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/benefits.html


Charlie Collins
(Quintus Servilius Priscus Fidenas)


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Salvete,

It did the same for me - all 3 of my accounts, 50 invites each! I'll
NEVER get rid of them at this rate! :-)

Valete,
Fausta Martiana Gangalia Minervalis



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Charlie Collins <photog2@g...>
wrote:

> Google did it again! It replenished my supply of Gmail

invitations(from 27

> back up to 50). If anyone would like a invite just e-mail me

privately and

> I'll send you one. To learn more about Gmail before registering,
> visit: http://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/benefits.html
>
>
> Charlie Collins
> (Quintus Servilius Priscus Fidenas)
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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M.Hortensia Maior Quiritibus spd;
Salvete omnes, many apologies for being offline moving back to the
u.s but it is wonderful to be able to return just in time to take
Academia Thules's Religio Romana course, given for a second time by
excellent Marcus Horatius Piscinus.

It is not too late to enroll, the course starts tomorrow Monday, but
you can enter until the 13th as a passive or active student.
This really is a great hands-on opportunity to learn how to actually
do rites! There are prayers, how to construct an altar, everything
you'd wish to know.

I urge all the plebs and cives to take part. There was no Roma without
the Religio and no state Religio without Roma.
may the gods watch over Nova Roma in aeternum!
Marca Hortensia Maior TRP
Caput Officina Iuriis
et Investigatio CFQ

Citizens of Nova Roma;

The subject Quarterlies hav been issued. You can acess them at:

http://livinghistoryengineer.com/roman/eagle/index.htm

At the bottom of the page use the blue button(Roman Engineer) to go to the RTQ and at the bottom of that page find the links to "Pilum" and "Nova Britannia."

"Aquila" should be out very soon. Please enjoy the Quarterlies!!!

Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens -- Editor Secundus "Roman Time Quarterly", and Editor for "Pilum" and "Nova Britannia."

In a message dated 5/8/05 9:03:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
cassius622@... writes:

Important textfile!






Looks like Marcus Cassius has a virus.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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>
> In a message dated 5/8/05 9:03:28 A.M. Pacific
> Daylight Time,
> cassius622@... writes:
>
> Important textfile!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Looks like Marcus Cassius has a virus.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>

Well, I'd have guessed it was his computer.;-)

> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>

A. Sempronius Regulus

Astra inclinant, non necessitant. - Albinus
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MMDCCLVIII Anno urbis conditae (AUC)







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M. Hortensia Maior Q. Fabio Maximo spd;
Salve, Quinte Fabi it is good to see a pontiff on the ML. Please I
ask you to help the CP take away my 'nefas' status and return my
priesthood of Magna Mater.
I have apologized to Pontiff Scaurus and am a staunch & public
supporter of the Religio in Nova Roma.
Isn't it time to start anew; cannot we worship the gods together
in peace?
in amicitia
Marca Hortensia Maior TRP




- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, QFabiusMaxmi@a... wrote:

>
> In a message dated 5/8/05 9:03:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> cassius622@a... writes:
>
> Important textfile!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Looks like Marcus Cassius has a virus.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete Q. Fabi Maxime et omnes,

Viruses... there are some days when I get the wicked urge to see
some kind of harsh fundementalist type laws like a few parts of the
middle east where they would treat these virus generators and
hackers as thieves and remove their fingers or hand... Well maybe
that's hard for even me to stomach but the situation is certainly
getting really frustrating for everyone.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, QFabiusMaxmi@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 5/8/05 9:03:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> cassius622@a... writes:
>
> Important textfile!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Looks like Marcus Cassius has a virus.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve Q. Fabi Maxime,

Just a reminder; Flashman On The March by GFM is in the bookstores
now. If it is in Alberta it would have to be in California. I picked
mine up last week!

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, QFabiusMaxmi@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 5/8/05 9:03:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> cassius622@a... writes:
>
> Important textfile!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Looks like Marcus Cassius has a virus.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete omnes,

Hmmm - hit the wrong address icon. LOL, glad it wasn't something
awful! This book deals with an anti-hero integrated into British
Empire history which interests me too. Highly recommended but since
it is OT to Rome I'll be happy to discuss it off list with anyone.

Regards,

QLP






--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael
Kelly)" <mjk@d...> wrote:

> Salve Q. Fabi Maxime,
>
> Just a reminder; Flashman On The March by GFM is in the bookstores
> now. If it is in Alberta it would have to be in California. I

picked

> mine up last week!
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, QFabiusMaxmi@a... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 5/8/05 9:03:28 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> > cassius622@a... writes:
> >
> > Important textfile!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Looks like Marcus Cassius has a virus.
> >
> > Q. Fabius Maximus
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

CN·SALVIVS·ASTVR·CONCIVIBVS·S·P·D

S·V·B·E·E·V

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@y...> wrote:
> M.Hortensia Maior Quiritibus spd;
> Salvete omnes, many apologies for being offline moving back to
> the u.s but it is wonderful to be able to return just in time to
> take Academia Thules's Religio Romana course, given for a second
> time by excellent Marcus Horatius Piscinus.
>
> It is not too late to enroll, the course starts tomorrow Monday,
> but you can enter until the 13th as a passive or active student.
> This really is a great hands-on opportunity to learn how to
> actually do rites! There are prayers, how to construct an altar,
> everything you'd wish to know.
>
> I urge all the plebs and cives to take part. There was no Roma
> without the Religio and no state Religio without Roma.
> may the gods watch over Nova Roma in aeternum!
> Marca Hortensia Maior TRP
> Caput Officina Iuriis
> et Investigatio CFQ

A correction of what Hortensia said above: the course has already
started this very morning -- the deadline for subscriptions was
yesterday -- and no new subscriptions are being accepted. I am sorry
for those who would like to subscribe now, but the course was
announced nearly one month ago, and they have had four long weeks to
subscribe. They will have to wait for the next edition of this
course.

BENE·VALETE·VOS·VESTRIQVE·OMNES

CN·SALVIVS·T·F·A·NEP·OVF·ASTVR·SCRIPSIT

Salvete omnes,

There is an great exhibit from Petra coming to the Glenbow Museum
Calgary from October 2005 to February 2006. You probably have seen
those famous Roman style ruins carved into the cliffs in Jordan made
a household image from Indiana Jones And The Last Crusade. Here are
the details:

News: October 14, 2004
Calvin to Host Major Museum Exhibit
Petra: Lost City of Stone is the most comprehensive exhibition ever
presented on the ancient, Middle Eastern city of Petra and its
creators—the Nabataeans. And it's coming to Grand Rapids.

It opened in New York City in October 2003 for a nine-month showing
and then traveled to Cincinnati for a September 2004 to January 2005
run. The exhibit is the first major cultural collaboration between
Jordan and the United States. It is organized by Cincinnati Art
Museum and American Museum of Natural History, New York under the
patronage of Her Majesty Queen Rania Al-Abdullah of the Hashemite
Kingdom of Jordan. Air transportation has been generously provided
by Royal Jordanian.

The exhibit will be at Calvin College in its Prince Conference
Center from April 4 to August 15, 2005.

Calvin President Gaylen Byker, who serves as co-chair for Petra:
Lost City of Stone, has been a frequent visitor to the Middle East,
including several trips to Petra. So when Calvin had the chance to
host the exhibit (becoming one of only five North American venues),
he jumped at the offer.


The bust of Dushara weighs some 2,100 lbs. and was uncovered at the
base of the Temenos Gate.
"The Petra exhibit," he says, "is a great fit with Calvin's
educational mission and with Calvin's fast-expanding international
involvement. The city of Petra is one of the very best
archaeological sites in the world for experiencing what life was
like in the Middle East at the time of Christ. What's exciting for
me is how the exhibit allows people to experience Petra—its history,
its art, its architecture, its engineering prowess and its
importance in the Middle East, a region of the world that we all
need to better understand. For us to have the opportunity to bring
this to West Michigan is too good to pass up."

June Hamersma, Director of Calvin's January Series and the other
Petra exhibit co-chair, says simply: "The exhibit represents a true
gift to this community and a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to
experience one of the greatest archaeological complexes in world
history."

Hamersma notes too that Petra: Lost City of Stone was almost a
decade in the making, having first been conceived in 1994 by the
Cincinnati Art Museum, which then joined forces with the American
Museum of Natural History (AMNH) in New York City in a monumental
effort to gather the 200 exceptional objects that comprise the
traveling exhibit.

Items on display include stone sculptures and reliefs, ceramics,
metalwork, architectural elements, terracotta or ancient water
pipes, artworks in various media and other fascinating artifacts.
All are on loan from collections in Jordan and throughout Europe and
the United States. Many are on display in the United States for the
first time.

All told the exhibit will be spread out across 7,000 square feet at
Calvin's Prince Conference Center, which will undergo significant
modifications to host Petra: Lost City of Stone.

Among the highlights of the exhibition are several pieces recently
discovered by archaeologists working in Jordan, as well as a
monumental bust of Dushara, on public display outside Jordan for the
first time. The bust is almost four feet tall and weighs some 2,100
pounds!

Another highlight at the exhibit was actually unearthed by a
graduate of the college: Grand Rapids based archaeologist, teacher
and photographer Neal Bierling, who has worked on Petra and helped
excavate a marble Byzantine church pulpit that will be on display at
Calvin.

Bierling, who originally approached his alma mater about bringing
Petra to Calvin, says one of the interesting things about Petra's
history is its position as a center for the rise of Christianity.

"There was an earthquake in Petra in 363 AD," Bierling says, "that
many historians say destroyed Petra and its place as a thriving
Middle Eastern city. In fact, after the earthquake Petra became a
hotbed for the growth of Christianity. Interestingly the Christians
in Petra took the pagan temples that had been destroyed and used the
materials to build churches and chapels. That's been kind of an
untold part of the Petra story."

Calvin plans to tell the entire Petra story through a series of
events connected to the exhibit including outreach efforts to local
schools and lots of youth programming, a lecture series for adults,
a special Calvin history course (open to all), textile displays and
more.

Byker notes that bringing Petra: Lost City of Stone to Calvin's
campus will not be a small undertaking for the college. Renovations
to the Prince Conference Center (which is just two years old) alone
will cost several hundred thousand dollars. Calvin will be building
new walls, painting and carpeting, developing and installing
temperature and humidity controls, adding lighting and putting in
extensive security and alarm systems to protect and enhance the
display of the 200 ancient artifacts.

The effort, Byker says, will be worth it.

"This is a world-class exhibit," he says, "and the opportunity to
present it to people in Grand Rapids and beyond was one we felt we
had to take. It's a singular opportunity for the community."

Tickets for the exhibit go on sale December 1, 2004 via the Petra
Box Office (616-526-7800 or 1-800-PETRA05) and online via the Petra
website. Petra: Lost City of Stone will travel to Calgary and Ottawa
after Grand Rapids.


In Grand Rapids, Petra: Lost City of Stone is presented by:



Organized by the American Museum of Natural History and the
Cincinnati Art Museum, and presented under the patronage

I go to Calgary off and on during that time so before each trip
I'll check to see if any Nova Roman in my area wishes to go so he or
she can have a lift. Lets support this exhibition and not have poor
turnouts like the Roman exhibit in Edmonton 3 years back. The more
attendance and interest, the more likely it is to have great Roman
and other classical exhibits in future!

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- LeeSobel@... <LeeSobel@...> wrote:

>
> In a message dated 5/9/05 11:38:23 PM,

praefectus2324@... writes:

>
>
> > I am a Goth- Industrial- New Wave dude. Thanks for

the

> > invite but Hip - Hop is unimaginat ive and
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> >
>
> I'll remove you from that list. There's good music

in every genre - that's my

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Gaius Popillius Laenas Consul Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit.

The Comitia Populi Tributa is called to vote for the for the final
open Quaestor position.

The Contio will begin at midnight tonight in Roma May 10, 2005 and
will continue until midnight Roma time May 15, 2005.

Voting will begin immediately after the close of Contio and continue
until Midnight Roma time May 20, 2005. All voting days are dies
fastus or comitiales.

The Candidates are:

Gaius Modius Athanasius citizen since May 26, 2002 and,

T. Octavius Salvius citizen since October 13, 2003

Salvius is below the legal age, but has received a waiver from the
Senate.

The presidium tribe shall be Cornelia (tribe VI).

Valete

Ave Omnes, how are you all doing?

Is it just me or do the NR yahoo groups' lists seem to
be a little quiet lately? I recall recently there was
mention of some technical issues that might of caused
this....?
Does anyone know more than I, is it only my
computer/account or are the lists really that quiet?

Valete!

Decimus Antoninius Aquilius

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Salve Decime Antonini,

Decimus Antoninius Aquilius <romalist2@...> writes:

> Ave Omnes, how are you all doing?
>
> Is it just me or do the NR yahoo groups' lists seem to
> be a little quiet lately?

Yes, they have been. I think it's an end-of-semester situation.

Vale,

-- Marinus

---Salve Decime Antonine
where I am, it's exam time, so everyone is in shut-down mode.
Additionally there are two great courses on now at Academia Thules;
Roman Law and Intro to the Religio Romana so a lot of conversation
is going on there.
Hope that helps,
optime vale
Marca Hortensia Maior


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@c...>
wrote:

> Salve Decime Antonini,
>
> Decimus Antoninius Aquilius <romalist2@y...> writes:
>
> > Ave Omnes, how are you all doing?
> >
> > Is it just me or do the NR yahoo groups' lists seem to
> > be a little quiet lately?
>
> Yes, they have been. I think it's an end-of-semester situation.
>
> Vale,
>
> -- Marinus

Salvete, Quirites,

Recently, I came across a news item that describes an interesting
venue for the Roman reenactor and thought more than a few cives would
find it interesting.

Valete bene,

L. Fidelius Graecus


Roman Legion Marches on E3
10/05/2005

San Francisco, CA - The famed soldiery of Legio IX Hispana have
broken camp and begun marching on Los Angeles, where they will
marshal in support of Perpetual Entertainment's Gods and Heroes: Rome
Rising.

Legio IX Hispana is the largest Roman re-enactment society in North
America, with chapters throughout California and the South-West. Over
a dozen members in full legionnaire's kit will be present at various
times in E3's Concourse Walkway to promote Gods and Heroes and
discuss the tactics and technology of squad warfare in ancient
Rome. ...

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/press_release.php?aid=8602

Salve;

Realmete estou interessado nesta eleição, não pelos candidados em si,
mas pelo processo que ainda não conheço.

como tenho muita experiência em eleições eletronicas, depois de
conhecer o processo vou poder avaliar o seu funcionamento e que sabe
ate cotribuir.

Vale.

Titus Marcius Felix




Please rewrite this in English, if possible. ;)
Bene vale,
P Con. Placidus

Salve,

Excuse for this message. I am sender to wrong mail-list.

Vale.

Titus Marcius Felix.





--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marciusfelix" <marciusfelix@y...>
wrote:

> Salve;
>
> Realmete estou interessado nesta eleição, não pelos candidados em

si,

> mas pelo processo que ainda não conheço.
>
> como tenho muita experiência em eleições eletronicas, depois de
> conhecer o processo vou poder avaliar o seu funcionamento e que

sabe

> ate cotribuir.
>
> Vale.
>
> Titus Marcius Felix
>
>
>
>
> Please rewrite this in English, if possible. ;)
> Bene vale,
> P Con. Placidus

A. Apollonius omnibus sal.

> The Candidates are:
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius citizen since May 26, 2002
> and,
>
> T. Octavius Salvius citizen since October 13, 2003

This is a difficult one for me to comment on, because
both candidates are ones I would normally heartily
support.

We in this forum all know C. Modius, and I dare say
most of us have made up our minds about him already.
For my part, I believe he would make an excellent
quaestor just as I believe he would have made (and, I
hope, will one day make) an excellent consul. It's
also striking to see his humility in running for the
lowest ordinary magistracy after having been tribunus
plebis, not to mention his many priestly offices. It
is hard to say whether it would be a greater
disservice to him to reject him for such an office or
to allow him to serve in a capacity well below what
his stature deserves.

T. Octavius is probably less familiar to you all,
though some of you may remember those dry-humoured
remarks of his which appear here from time to time. I
have met him in person twice, and was thoroughly
impressed on both occasions. On the first, he
journeyed almost the length of England to stay in an
unfamiliar city merely to meet his fellow Romans of
provincia Britannia for the first time. Soon after
that meeting he volunteered not only to come to our
next provincial meeting but to organize it himself,
single-handed. Organize it he did, and gave us a very
enjoyable and memorable few days on and around
Hadrian's Wall and Newcastle. I have no doubt that he
would be a first-class quaestor.

So who shall I advise you to vote for? I'm going to
ask you to vote for Salvius. He has been waiting
patiently for a chance to serve the republic, and at
last this is his chance. It's also our chance to bring
in some new blood, to give him experience of
government, and to set a future consul (I have no
doubt) on the first stage of his public career.

As for Athanasius, this office is beneath him. I urge
you to show him your support not by voting to make him
quaestor, but by encouraging him to aim for an office
more worthy of his rank.

Let's have T. Octavius Salvius for quaestor, and let's
hope that we can soon have C. Modius Athanasius for praetor.



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Gaius Modius Athanasius A. Apollonio Cordo salutem dicit

Thank you very much for your kind words. I endeavored to run for Quaestor, not knowing who else was running for that office. I decided to run for office because I wanted to offer assistance to our Republic, if you believe that T. Octavius Salvius would do an admirable job then I too will support him for Quaestor, and step down from candidacy. I do not feel compelled to hold an office just to hold an office. I would, however, in this instance hold an office if no one else wanted to do it -- to make sure the necessary tasks of the job were addressed.

This past year several people have questioned my honor, and abilities. It has been a humbling experience for me. By this time those who like me have already made up their minds as to my character, while my detractors have already made up theirs. Such is the way of politics.

When election time comes again I will have to re-evaluate my commitment to Nova Roma, and see were the Gods desire my involvement. Thank you again for your kind words. They mean a great deal to me.

Vale;

Gaius Modius Athanasius
Flamen Pomonalis, Pontifex, et Augur

-----Original Message-----
From: A. Apollonius Cordus <a_apollonius_cordus@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wed, 11 May 2005 18:46:09 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Endorsement(s)


A. Apollonius omnibus sal.

> The Candidates are:
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius citizen since May 26, 2002
> and,
>
> T. Octavius Salvius citizen since October 13, 2003

This is a difficult one for me to comment on, because
both candidates are ones I would normally heartily
support.

We in this forum all know C. Modius, and I dare say
most of us have made up our minds about him already.
For my part, I believe he would make an excellent
quaestor just as I believe he would have made (and, I
hope, will one day make) an excellent consul. It's
also striking to see his humility in running for the
lowest ordinary magistracy after having been tribunus
plebis, not to mention his many priestly offices. It
is hard to say whether it would be a greater
disservice to him to reject him for such an office or
to allow him to serve in a capacity well below what
his stature deserves.

T. Octavius is probably less familiar to you all,
though some of you may remember those dry-humoured
remarks of his which appear here from time to time. I
have met him in person twice, and was thoroughly
impressed on both occasions. On the first, he
journeyed almost the length of England to stay in an
unfamiliar city merely to meet his fellow Romans of
provincia Britannia for the first time. Soon after
that meeting he volunteered not only to come to our
next provincial meeting but to organize it himself,
single-handed. Organize it he did, and gave us a very
enjoyable and memorable few days on and around
Hadrian's Wall and Newcastle. I have no doubt that he
would be a first-class quaestor.

So who shall I advise you to vote for? I'm going to
ask you to vote for Salvius. He has been waiting
patiently for a chance to serve the republic, and at
last this is his chance. It's also our chance to bring
in some new blood, to give him experience of
government, and to set a future consul (I have no
doubt) on the first stage of his public career.

As for Athanasius, this office is beneath him. I urge
you to show him your support not by voting to make him
quaestor, but by encouraging him to aim for an office
more worthy of his rank.

Let's have T. Octavius Salvius for quaestor, and let's
hope that we can soon have C. Modius Athanasius for praetor.


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M.Hortensia Maior Quiritibus spd;
Salvete; I wish to second good Cordus's endorsement of Titus
Octavius Salvius for Questor.
He has been my scriba over at the Censor's office these many, many
months and I can say this young man has dug in and helped and finished
every difficult and onerous task set to him. Just think for instance
of gathering, recording, and sorting every single person who sent in
an emancipation letter, alphabetically, by gens.....And all with
a 'can do' attitude and a wry joke which really can be invaluable:) He
has worked extremely hard and efficiently at a job with little glamour
and given his all.

On top of this, he never even mentioned or asked me to write a word on
his behalf. Cives lets give this young man the office he so richly
deserves! Please vote for T. Ocavius Salvius for Questor
bene vale in pace deorum
Marca Hortensia Maior TRP
Caput Officina Iuriis
et Investigatio CFQ

Hi, yes, I still am ;)

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Citizens of Nova Roma:

The May Issue of "Aquila" is finally out. The delay is my fault entirely for not being more aware of my Production Editor's work. I hope that you will enjoy this issue, and as always the "Aquila" is dedicated to the Citizens of Nova Roma with my most humble respects.

Your Servant;

Sincerely;

Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens
Editor Commentarium -- "Aquila"

Gaius Popillius Laenas Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit,

Gaius Modius Athanasius has informed me that he is withdrawing from
the election for Quaestor.

Valete.

Salvete Omnes,


In the spirit of those in Roman history who have started their
political careers slightly earlier than usual, I come before you to
ask for your support in the upcoming election.

Firstly I would like to express my deepest thanks for the
endorsements I have already received, but especially to my opponent
Gaius Modius Athanasius. I think he has displayed honour and virtue
in his motives.

In asking you to vote for me I understand that I am asking you to
trust an 'unknown quantity' with public office. I promise you all
that that trust will always remain well placed. In return, what I
can bring to the Office is simply this: Honesty, Commitment and
willingness to Learn.

These three principles have served me well throughout my time as a
Scribe, and they would serve me equally well as Quaestor.

I believe that working in the Censor's office and participating in
provincial activities has given me the necessary qualities and
experience to carry out the duties of a magistrate.

So I ask for your vote on the 15th, and for the chance to serve Nova
Roma and to prove myself to its citizens.

vale

T. Octavius Salvius

Candiate for Quaestor

Quantas magistraturas podem ser acumuladas por uma mesma pessoa, concomitantemente???? Existe este limite????

Valete
C·ARMINIVS·RECCANELLVS
PROPRAETOR·PROVINCIAE·BRASILIAE
"Quousque tandem, Lula, abutere patientia nostra?"

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Citizens of Nova Roma;

For those who ay have an interest, I will be away on reenactment until next Monday. I will be in Bowdoin, Maine, at a CW reenactment in the Union Camp. If anyone s interested in a face to face meeting, I can be found on the senior staff line. My tent will be the Chief Engineer's Fly with the Engineering flags flying in front of it. I would be pleased to meet any or all of you face to face, if you care to venture out.

Respectfully;

Marcus Audens

(aka; Ian McKay, Lt. Col. of Engrs.)

San Francisco, CA - The famed soldiery of Legio IX Hispana have
broken camp and begun marching on Los Angeles, where they will
marshal in support of Perpetual Entertainment's Gods and Heroes: Rome
Rising.

Legio IX Hispana is the largest Roman re-enactment society in North
America, with chapters throughout California and the South-West. Over
a dozen members in full legionnaire's kit will be present at various
times in E3's Concourse Walkway to promote Gods and Heroes and
discuss the tactics and technology of squad warfare in ancient
Rome. ...



Salvete
E-3 is the premier electronic gaming event, all sorts of video, computer, and box games
are unviled. It occupies nine city blocks. I usually go, but I'm involved shooting a pilot, and it'll spill into the weekends
The 9th is always welcome in LA however.
Valete
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L. Arminius Faustus praetor to all roman people of the quirites,

By Minerva and Apolo,

Due to recent profesional changes, and a necessary city moving, I will be absent of the affairs of the Republic on the following weeks. I may have some participation, but it will be sparse. I´m very happy and thanks the great queen Minerva by the new opportunities that finally shined upon me. We must catch Fortune when she comes.

I hope I can integrate myself as soon as possible on the new home and job and come back to NR.

Valete bene in pacem deorum,
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A. Apollonius C. Arminio omnibusque sal.

> Quantas magistraturas podem ser acumuladas por uma
> mesma pessoa, concomitantemente???? Existe este
> limite????

Hispanice loqui non possum, sed ferme intellego verba
tua. Nescio te linguam Anglicam vel Latinam vel
Gallicam intellegere posse, sed ita spero.

Novae Romae aliquis multos magistratus simul gerere
potest; sed ex lege Salicia nemo duos magistratus
simul petere potest.

Romae antiquae nemo plerumque duos magistratus simul
gerere potuit.

Nescio tamen cur rogas. Nec T. Octavius nec C. Modius
ullum magistratum gerit.

--

I don't speak Spanish, but I can more or less
understand your words. I don't know whether you can
understand English, Latin, or French, but I hope so.

In Nova Roma someone can hold many magistracies at the
same time; but, according to the lex Salicia, no one
can stand for two offices at once.

In ancient Rome no one could normally hold two
magistracies at once.

But I don't know why you ask: neither T. Octavius nor
C. Modius holds any magistracy.

--

Je ne parle pas Espagnol, mais je comprends plus ou
moins vos mots. Je ne sais pas si vous comprenez
Anglais, Latin, ou Francais, mais je l'espere.

A Nova Roma quelqu'un peut tenir beaucoup de
magistratures a la fois; mais, suivant la lex Salicia,
personne peut se presenter aux deux magistratures a la
fois.

A Rome ancienne personne normalement peut tenir deux
magistratures a la fois.

Mais je ne said pas pourquoi vous demandez: ni T.
Octavius ni C. Modius tien une magistrature.

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Salvete omnes,

I saw this movie Thursday night and would highly recommend it. There
are numerous reviews on it so I'll just add that it is just the type
of film to help generate interest in history. From what I can see
throughout North America is that history is no longer a compulsory
subject like it was when I was a kid. You could not get your high
school certification without it and even in Univesity a course was
required for all students, even the science and engineering as part of
their reading and writing development.

As Flavia Scholastica, said in another NR group, today if you ask many
kids who Cicero, Caesar or William The Conqueror were, they'll more
likely than not ask what football team, or in my case, hockey or real-
tv island they are on. Movies like this are one of the few tools we
seem to have left to make the masses aware of our past. I'll have to
drag a few kids I know at my expense to see this film and hopefully
motivate their interest.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

It is indeed a very good movie. Very spectacular!

However, the historical facts are scarce and what is historical could have been presented in a better way...

But still, very enjoyable movie!

G Velius Tutor

"Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@...> a écrit:
Salvete omnes,

I saw this movie Thursday night and would highly recommend it. There
are numerous reviews on it so I'll just add that it is just the type
of film to help generate interest in history. From what I can see
throughout North America is that history is no longer a compulsory
subject like it was when I was a kid. You could not get your high
school certification without it and even in Univesity a course was
required for all students, even the science and engineering as part of
their reading and writing development.

As Flavia Scholastica, said in another NR group, today if you ask many
kids who Cicero, Caesar or William The Conqueror were, they'll more
likely than not ask what football team, or in my case, hockey or real-
tv island they are on. Movies like this are one of the few tools we
seem to have left to make the masses aware of our past. I'll have to
drag a few kids I know at my expense to see this film and hopefully
motivate their interest.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus




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SALVETE !

A good movie. But I belive, Bill Monahan, the screenwriter, spend to much time consulting with the Arabs historians. Even Saladin was an important figure of the culture from that area, it wasn't necessary to present the crusaders from a " bad " point of view. In that times sure was fanatics from the both sides. Saladin in any case wasn't a romantic hero.
I find this web-site for all who are interested about the crusades history :

http://www.medievalcrusades.com/

OPTIME VALE,
IVL SABINVS


"Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@...> wrote:
Salvete omnes,

I saw this movie Thursday night and would highly recommend it. There
are numerous reviews on it so I'll just add that it is just the type
of film to help generate interest in history. From what I can see
throughout North America is that history is no longer a compulsory
subject like it was when I was a kid. You could not get your high
school certification without it and even in Univesity a course was
required for all students, even the science and engineering as part of
their reading and writing development.

As Flavia Scholastica, said in another NR group, today if you ask many
kids who Cicero, Caesar or William The Conqueror were, they'll more
likely than not ask what football team, or in my case, hockey or real-
tv island they are on. Movies like this are one of the few tools we
seem to have left to make the masses aware of our past. I'll have to
drag a few kids I know at my expense to see this film and hopefully
motivate their interest.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus




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Salve Quinte

I could not agree more. Take the kids to see Gladiator, Troy, Alexander,
etc. Beat them at their own game! Remember above all that, today, only what
is current seems to be relevant. The fact that a building built on no
foundations will soon collapse escapes the majority.

Sextus Pilatus Barbatus sperat omnes optime valere



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From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)
Sent: 14 May 2005 15:23
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Kingdom Of Heaven



Salvete omnes,

I saw this movie Thursday night and would highly recommend it. There
are numerous reviews on it so I'll just add that it is just the type
of film to help generate interest in history. From what I can see
throughout North America is that history is no longer a compulsory
subject like it was when I was a kid. You could not get your high
school certification without it and even in Univesity a course was
required for all students, even the science and engineering as part of
their reading and writing development.

As Flavia Scholastica, said in another NR group, today if you ask many
kids who Cicero, Caesar or William The Conqueror were, they'll more
likely than not ask what football team, or in my case, hockey or real-
tv island they are on. Movies like this are one of the few tools we
seem to have left to make the masses aware of our past. I'll have to
drag a few kids I know at my expense to see this film and hopefully
motivate their interest.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus





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In NYC, the wide majority of folks do not give a damn
about anything that does not directly involve
them.Unless the liberal media/celebrities make it en
vogue.
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <p.bird@...>
wrote:

> Salve Quinte
>
> I could not agree more. Take the kids to see

Gladiator, Troy, Alexander,

> etc. Beat them at their own game! Remember above all

that, today, only what

> is current seems to be relevant. The fact that a

building built on no

> foundations will soon collapse escapes the majority.
>
> Sextus Pilatus Barbatus sperat omnes optime valere
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

[mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf

> Of Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)
> Sent: 14 May 2005 15:23
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Kingdom Of Heaven
>
>
>
> Salvete omnes,
>
> I saw this movie Thursday night and would highly

recommend it. There

> are numerous reviews on it so I'll just add that it

is just the type

> of film to help generate interest in history. From

what I can see

> throughout North America is that history is no

longer a compulsory

> subject like it was when I was a kid. You could not

get your high

> school certification without it and even in

Univesity a course was

> required for all students, even the science and

engineering as part of

> their reading and writing development.
>
> As Flavia Scholastica, said in another NR group,

today if you ask many

> kids who Cicero, Caesar or William The Conqueror

were, they'll more

> likely than not ask what football team, or in my

case, hockey or real-

> tv island they are on. Movies like this are one of

the few tools we

> seem to have left to make the masses aware of our

past. I'll have to

> drag a few kids I know at my expense to see this

film and hopefully

> motivate their interest.
>
> Regards,
>
> Quintus Lanius Paulinus
>
>
>
>
>
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