Salve,

I just set up a test forum, if you want me to shut it down I will do
so at once...

vale

P. Minius Mercator

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lucius_fidelius" <nexus909@h...> wrote:
> Salve
>
> I find this thread quite uncomfortable. Do you have permission to use
> the Nova Roma name and logo? If you don't, this is an unpleasant
> display regardless of your labeling it a "test." As was mentioned
> earlier, there has been many discussions about this- none of which
> you account for. Takeforum is an appropriate domain name however-
> what disturbs me is how easily it can be taken. Magistrates?
>
> L. Fidelius Graecus
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Phil Bo <groentje123@g...> wrote:
> > For those of you who are interested in how a forum works: I've set
> up
> > a test forum for nova roma at
> > http://www.takeforum.com/forum/?mforum=novaroma
> > Have a look and try to put a post on the forum, you'll see it's not
> > that hard and very easy to use...
> >
> > Publius Minius Mercator

Salvete,

this nice proposal from this citizen of Gallia is now being taken care of. I am very
pleased to see that our new citizens are so eager to help.

Valete,


--- publiusminius <groentje123@...> wrote:

> Salve,
>
> I just set up a test forum, if you want me to shut it down I will do
> so at once...
>
> vale
>
> P. Minius Mercator
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lucius_fidelius" <nexus909@h...> wrote:
> > Salve
> >
> > I find this thread quite uncomfortable. Do you have permission to use
> > the Nova Roma name and logo? If you don't, this is an unpleasant
> > display regardless of your labeling it a "test." As was mentioned
> > earlier, there has been many discussions about this- none of which
> > you account for. Takeforum is an appropriate domain name however-
> > what disturbs me is how easily it can be taken. Magistrates?
> >
> > L. Fidelius Graecus
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Phil Bo <groentje123@g...> wrote:
> > > For those of you who are interested in how a forum works: I've set
> > up
> > > a test forum for nova roma at
> > > http://www.takeforum.com/forum/?mforum=novaroma
> > > Have a look and try to put a post on the forum, you'll see it's not
> > > that hard and very easy to use...
> > >
> > > Publius Minius Mercator
>
>
>
>
>

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Propraetor Galliae

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Salvete,

I just want to say that I totally support the forum idea. This is a very good way to communicate and it is way more efficient than the list. Of course, this is my opinion.

I am pretty sure that both systems can work side by side. This would accomodate more people and would probably allow more people to speak. Not being very confortable with the list, I do not participate a lot.

Valete,

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By this edictum, and using my Imperium (given to my by Senatus e Populusque Romanum), I decide:

i) As asked me by Titus Arminius Genialis, he is out of his colocation of Brasilian Propraetor's Legatus. He also must give me, imediately, all the information to permit mantein and reform the provincial web site.

DATVM·SVB·MANV·MEA·A·D·VIII·KAL·IVNIAS·MMDCCLVIII·A·V·C
FR·APULE·CÆSARI·C·POPILIO·LÆNÆ·CONSVLIBVS

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By this edictum, and using my Imperium (given to my by Senatus e Populusque Romanum), I decide:

i) Titus Marcius Felix is, in this moment, nomeated as Brasilian Propraetor's Legatus. In this ocupation, he must mantein and reform the provincial web site.

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Salvete omnes

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar"
<gn_iulius_caesar@y...> wrote:

> Salvete omnes.
>
> Speaking for myself I'd rather we tried to avoid throwing cold

water

> over a new citizen's efforts to be proactive. I - like most here -
> prefer the Yahoo list, but I do appreciate his best of intentions.

That's your perception of my post and was not it's intent- I am
uncomfortable with any sort of subversive efforts- they are
undignified- if it's a test that's called for by a private citizen,
let him name it appropriately rather than have it appear it is a
fully sanctioned test of Nova Roma government. Hearts and flowers to
your appreciations though my post is based on the consideration of
many discussions about a new forum that seem to be happily
sidestepped by simply calling it a Nova Roma test forum.

> I also doubt whether droves of people will depart from this list to
> his forum, just to also sit there in relative silence. If one of

our

> magistrates had a problem with the use of the name and flag I am
> sure they would email him privately.

Whether any magistrate had a problem or not was not my concern or
even bears on the issue- Roma Antiqua had laws and a process- and I
make my protest in consideration with that and with respect to it's
name and logos of Nova Roma which belong to the senate and people of
Nova Roma, not any individual.

> So before anyone produces a hammer and a bag of nails to crucify
> him, can we reflect that new citizens (relative to our losses) are
> in short supply.

I would contend that new citizens are in short supply due to
capriciousness and inauthentic history promulgated for non-historical
concerns- not to the lack of glad-handling any that have not yet
learned gravitas.

> Can we at least wait until they pay their tax before we start
> hauling them off for a sound flogging?

To suggest my post was in any way a a crucifixion or a "flogging" is
being extremely oversensitive- to answer your own comments, I would
say that oversensitivity is quite an ahistorical trait for a Caesar.

L. Fidelius Graecus

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lucius_fidelius" <nexus909@h...>
> wrote:
> > Salve
> >
> > I find this thread quite uncomfortable. Do you have permission to
> use
> > the Nova Roma name and logo? If you don't, this is an unpleasant
> > display regardless of your labeling it a "test."

Salve

Even from the last time, I have been very supportive of forum
innovations and a test forum is a good idea.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "publiusminius" <groentje123@g...>
wrote:

> I just set up a test forum, if you want me to shut it down I will do
> so at once...

Personally, I would you like to stop using the Nova Roma name and
logos for a personally proscribed test. However, you are not
obligated to comply with my wishes as I am only a citizen.

Since I have your ear, among others, from my recollection the idea of
a forum of this type seemed to stall on the suggestion that Yahoo!
was superior in that each post was numbered for reference. A forum
like you propose is something I favor though I agreed that it would
need this revision. Above that, a Nova Roma forum can't be hosted by
a minor third party, it would have to be hosted by itself or by a
service that has a great deal to offer it like Yahoo! does.

See: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/novaromacomputer/ for more info
and good luck in the jungle, citizen Publius Minius Mercator.

Vale bene

L. Fidelius Graecus

>
> vale
>
> P. Minius Mercator
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lucius_fidelius" <nexus909@h...>

wrote:

> > Salve
> >
> > I find this thread quite uncomfortable. Do you have permission to

use

> > the Nova Roma name and logo? If you don't, this is an unpleasant
> > display regardless of your labeling it a "test." As was mentioned
> > earlier, there has been many discussions about this- none of which
> > you account for. Takeforum is an appropriate domain name however-
> > what disturbs me is how easily it can be taken. Magistrates?
> >
> > L. Fidelius Graecus
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Phil Bo <groentje123@g...>

wrote:

> > > For those of you who are interested in how a forum works: I've

set

> > up
> > > a test forum for nova roma at
> > > http://www.takeforum.com/forum/?mforum=novaroma
> > > Have a look and try to put a post on the forum, you'll see it's

not

> > > that hard and very easy to use...
> > >
> > > Publius Minius Mercator

A. Apollonius homini sine nomine omnibusque sal.

> But couldn't you settle with a forum? It's very easy
> to operate.
> Consider it to be like this mailing list, but
> instead of receiving
> e-mails, you go to a special website where all the
> discussions are
> organised in different categories and every
> discussion has its own
> subject title. Much easier to look at the things
> that interest you,
> without having to read endless stacks of e-mails...

At the risk of sounding selfish, I have to ask why you
think I should "settle" for a means of communication
which I don't want to use. I could just as easily say
to you "couldn't you settle for an e-mail list?".

I do not want to go to a website to read messages - I
like having them e-mailed to me. I do not want to read
messages grouped by subject title - I want to read
them all in the order they were written. I do not want
to look only at some things and not at others -
everything interests me.

These are my own personal preferences. I understand
that other people have different preferences. I am not
in the habit of asking other people to change their
preferences to suit me, and I'm not very receptive to
people asking me to change my preferences to suit
them. Asking your neighbour to paint his blue house
green because you prefer green to blue is not the way
to create a happy neighbourhood.





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A. Apollonius L. Fidelio omnibusque sal.

> To suggest my post was in any way a a crucifixion or
> a "flogging" is
> being extremely oversensitive- to answer your own
> comments, I would
> say that oversensitivity is quite an ahistorical
> trait for a Caesar.

On the contrary, it is an extremely Caesarian
characteristic. Who else went to war against his own
country to avenge an insult to his dignity?



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--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
<a_apollonius_cordus@...> wrote:

> A. Apollonius homini sine nomine omnibusque sal.
>
> > But couldn't you settle with a forum? It's very

easy

> > to operate.
> > Consider it to be like this mailing list, but
> > instead of receiving
> > e-mails, you go to a special website where all the
> > discussions are
> > organised in different categories and every
> > discussion has its own
> > subject title. Much easier to look at the things
> > that interest you,
> > without having to read endless stacks of

e-mails...

>
> At the risk of sounding selfish, I have to ask why

you

> think I should "settle" for a means of communication
> which I don't want to use. I could just as easily

say

> to you "couldn't you settle for an e-mail list?".
>
> I do not want to go to a website to read messages -

I

> like having them e-mailed to me. I do not want to

read

> messages grouped by subject title - I want to read
> them all in the order they were written. I do not

want

> to look only at some things and not at others -
> everything interests me.
>
> These are my own personal preferences. I understand
> that other people have different preferences. I am

not

> in the habit of asking other people to change their
> preferences to suit me, and I'm not very receptive

to

> people asking me to change my preferences to suit
> them. Asking your neighbour to paint his blue house
> green because you prefer green to blue is not the

way

> to create a happy neighbourhood.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Salvete Omnes,

> At the risk of sounding selfish, I have to ask why you
> think I should "settle" for a means of communication
> which I don't want to use. I could just as easily say
> to you "couldn't you settle for an e-mail list?".

I'm usually reluctant to use a cliché, but my view on this is
that: 'If it isn't broken, don't fix it'.

Yahoo! has one or two irritations (mainly having to re-enter your
password every 24 hours, for me anyway), but it's a decent system
and it works rather well.

Also I think we might lose the 'conversational' flow and tone of the
posts if we swapped to a forum, since everything is divided into
categories and sub-categories.

However, I'm not beyond conversion if I see a reeeeealy good
argument.

vale

T. Octavius Salvius

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"
<a_apollonius_cordus@y...> wrote:

> A. Apollonius L. Fidelio omnibusque sal.
>
> > To suggest my post was in any way a a crucifixion or
> > a "flogging" is
> > being extremely oversensitive- to answer your own
> > comments, I would
> > say that oversensitivity is quite an ahistorical
> > trait for a Caesar.
>
> On the contrary, it is an extremely Caesarian
> characteristic. Who else went to war against his own
> country to avenge an insult to his dignity?

Granted- you are well spoken. I retract my statement on the Caesars.

Vivat Respublica.

Graecus

I personally prefer the forum. Has the government been notified of
the creation of such forum? If our senators did not disapprove, it is
yet another means to communicate between members. A forum provides
different conversations sorted out according to topics. It is in my
opinion easier to read than the Yahoo group. Why do we not use both?

lucius_fidelius <nexus909@...> writes:

> Salve
>
> Even from the last time, I have been very supportive of forum
> innovations and a test forum is a good idea.
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "publiusminius" <groentje123@g...>
> wrote:
>
> > I just set up a test forum, if you want me to shut it down I will do
> > so at once...
>
> Personally, I would you like to stop using the Nova Roma name and
> logos for a personally proscribed test. However, you are not
> obligated to comply with my wishes as I am only a citizen.

However, I remind everyone that the gold SPQR inside a gold wreath on a red
field is a registered trademark of Nova Roma Inc., and may not be used
without the express permission of the Senate.

Valete,

-- Marinus

Salvete Quirites,

rocknrockabilly <franceuropa@...> writes:

> I personally prefer the forum. Has the government been notified of
> the creation of such forum?

No.

> If our senators did not disapprove,

Silence is not consent, and if anybody does propose an idea to the Senate, I
would strongly recommend that they do not proceed on the assumption that
Senate approval exists until (and unless) the Senate votes its approval.

Of course, citizens are free to communicate among themselves by whatever means
they prefer, whether that by some internet based forum or a very large
telephone conference call. But things done in the name of Nova Roma come
under the oversight of the Board of Directors of Nova Roma Inc. (the
Senate), and require approval.

Valete,

-- Marinus

I, Titus Marcius Felix (Marciano de O. Meneses) do hereby solemnly
swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the best
interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma. As a magistrate
of Nova Roma,

I, Titus Marcius Felix (Marciano de O. Meneses) swear to honor the
Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the
Roman Virtues in my public and private life.

I, Titus Marcius Felix (Marciano de O. Meneses) swear to uphold and
defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and
swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the
State Religion.

I, Titus Marcius Felix (Marciano de O. Meneses), swear to protect and
defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.

I, Titus Marcius Felix (Marciano de O. Meneses) further swear to
fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of
Brasilian Propraetor's Legatus to the best of my abilities.

On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
do I accept the position of Brasilian Propraetor's Legatus and all
the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant
thereto.

Salve Graece.

Your post was hardly supportive, hence why I suggested that welcoming
a new citizen's efforts with a bucket of cold water was not really
calculated to keep the citizen numbers incrementing.

The issue of the flag is moot. Refer to the Tabularium and the
relevant Senatus Consultum. All that this citizen failed to do was
add the endorsement. I think we can forgive him that infringement.

I suggest that we remember that he is new to Nova Roma and that all
he did was to suggest an innovation. If indeed the majority on this
list like the Yahoo format, then this is where they will stay. If on
the other hand people prefer that format they will no doubt migrate
there.

Some of your points have merit, but the way in which they were
delivered to him seemed, to me at least, unnecessarily critical of
what was an effort at proactive involvement. That should be
applauded, not strangled at birth.

Vale
Caesar

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lucius_fidelius" <nexus909@h...>
wrote:

> Salvete omnes
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar"
> <gn_iulius_caesar@y...> wrote:
> > Salvete omnes.
> >
> > Speaking for myself I'd rather we tried to avoid throwing cold
> water
> > over a new citizen's efforts to be proactive. I - like most here -

> > prefer the Yahoo list, but I do appreciate his best of

intentions.

>
> That's your perception of my post and was not it's intent- I am
> uncomfortable with any sort of subversive efforts- they are
> undignified- if it's a test that's called for by a private citizen,
> let him name it appropriately rather than have it appear it is a
> fully sanctioned test of Nova Roma government. Hearts and flowers

to

> your appreciations though my post is based on the consideration of
> many discussions about a new forum that seem to be happily
> sidestepped by simply calling it a Nova Roma test forum.
>
> > I also doubt whether droves of people will depart from this list

to

> > his forum, just to also sit there in relative silence. If one of
> our
> > magistrates had a problem with the use of the name and flag I am
> > sure they would email him privately.
>
> Whether any magistrate had a problem or not was not my concern or
> even bears on the issue- Roma Antiqua had laws and a process- and I
> make my protest in consideration with that and with respect to it's
> name and logos of Nova Roma which belong to the senate and people

of

> Nova Roma, not any individual.
>
> > So before anyone produces a hammer and a bag of nails to crucify
> > him, can we reflect that new citizens (relative to our losses)

are

> > in short supply.
>
> I would contend that new citizens are in short supply due to
> capriciousness and inauthentic history promulgated for non-

historical

> concerns- not to the lack of glad-handling any that have not yet
> learned gravitas.
>
> > Can we at least wait until they pay their tax before we start
> > hauling them off for a sound flogging?
>
> To suggest my post was in any way a a crucifixion or a "flogging"

is

> being extremely oversensitive- to answer your own comments, I would
> say that oversensitivity is quite an ahistorical trait for a Caesar.
>
> L. Fidelius Graecus
>
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lucius_fidelius"

<nexus909@h...>

> > wrote:
> > > Salve
> > >
> > > I find this thread quite uncomfortable. Do you have permission

to

> > use
> > > the Nova Roma name and logo? If you don't, this is an

unpleasant

> > > display regardless of your labeling it a "test."

In a message dated 5/25/2005 11:00:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
franceuropa@... writes:
I personally prefer the forum. Has the government been notified of
the creation of such forum? If our senators did not disapprove, it is
yet another means to communicate between members. A forum provides
different conversations sorted out according to topics. It is in my
opinion easier to read than the Yahoo group. Why do we not use both?
Actually, I posted something on the test forum, and it seems to be working
well.

As it is a test though, the citizen should simply keep his name as the name
of the forum.
The use of Nova Roma, its logo and such are copyrighted and subject to
approval of the BoD of Nova Roma Inc. This was not done

All that needs to be done is the logo removed, all Nova Roma references
changed to "The private forum of P. Minius Mercator, citizen of Nova Roma."
This way it does not appear to be part of Nova Roma, an official organ of the
Roman government.

Otherwise, I congragulate Minius on a speedy set-up job and a polished design.
As for its use, next to the Yahoo Forum, I believe it will be a matter of
taste.
I'm loath to say it will not work because one form is superior to another.
Instead
it is a matter of personal taste.

Finally to Minius himself, while "qui tacet consentit" might apply in normal
life, it does not
in Nova Roma. So I'd start on the changes at once. Meanwhile I'm sure the
Senate will be
observing the result closely.

Q. Fabius Maximus
Titles too numerous to name.





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Salvete,

There is something inconsistent here (in my opinion). Why would the use of the flag be forbidden or require approval from the Senate? If Nova Roma is a nation, then its flag should belong to all its citizens. We are allowed to use any nation's flag on any website, book, poster, etc. Why should it be different for Nova Roma?

The only reason I see is that "business" prevents it! (copyright?). If it is the case, I find this very sad. A flag is something to be proud of and everybody, especially to citizens of the nation, should have access to it freely. If not, this does not respect the basic concept of a nation and it is merely not any different from a sect or a big company logo...

Just my two cents...

G Velius Tutor

Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> a écrit :
Salve Graece.

Your post was hardly supportive, hence why I suggested that welcoming
a new citizen's efforts with a bucket of cold water was not really
calculated to keep the citizen numbers incrementing.

The issue of the flag is moot. Refer to the Tabularium and the
relevant Senatus Consultum. All that this citizen failed to do was
add the endorsement. I think we can forgive him that infringement.

I suggest that we remember that he is new to Nova Roma and that all
he did was to suggest an innovation. If indeed the majority on this
list like the Yahoo format, then this is where they will stay. If on
the other hand people prefer that format they will no doubt migrate
there.

Some of your points have merit, but the way in which they were
delivered to him seemed, to me at least, unnecessarily critical of
what was an effort at proactive involvement. That should be
applauded, not strangled at birth.

Vale
Caesar

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lucius_fidelius" <nexus909@h...>
wrote:

> Salvete omnes
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar"
> <gn_iulius_caesar@y...> wrote:
> > Salvete omnes.
> >
> > Speaking for myself I'd rather we tried to avoid throwing cold
> water
> > over a new citizen's efforts to be proactive. I - like most here -

> > prefer the Yahoo list, but I do appreciate his best of

intentions.

>
> That's your perception of my post and was not it's intent- I am
> uncomfortable with any sort of subversive efforts- they are
> undignified- if it's a test that's called for by a private citizen,
> let him name it appropriately rather than have it appear it is a
> fully sanctioned test of Nova Roma government. Hearts and flowers

to

> your appreciations though my post is based on the consideration of
> many discussions about a new forum that seem to be happily
> sidestepped by simply calling it a Nova Roma test forum.
>
> > I also doubt whether droves of people will depart from this list

to

> > his forum, just to also sit there in relative silence. If one of
> our
> > magistrates had a problem with the use of the name and flag I am
> > sure they would email him privately.
>
> Whether any magistrate had a problem or not was not my concern or
> even bears on the issue- Roma Antiqua had laws and a process- and I
> make my protest in consideration with that and with respect to it's
> name and logos of Nova Roma which belong to the senate and people

of

> Nova Roma, not any individual.
>
> > So before anyone produces a hammer and a bag of nails to crucify
> > him, can we reflect that new citizens (relative to our losses)

are

> > in short supply.
>
> I would contend that new citizens are in short supply due to
> capriciousness and inauthentic history promulgated for non-

historical

> concerns- not to the lack of glad-handling any that have not yet
> learned gravitas.
>
> > Can we at least wait until they pay their tax before we start
> > hauling them off for a sound flogging?
>
> To suggest my post was in any way a a crucifixion or a "flogging"

is

> being extremely oversensitive- to answer your own comments, I would
> say that oversensitivity is quite an ahistorical trait for a Caesar.
>
> L. Fidelius Graecus
>
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lucius_fidelius"

<nexus909@h...>

> > wrote:
> > > Salve
> > >
> > > I find this thread quite uncomfortable. Do you have permission

to

> > use
> > > the Nova Roma name and logo? If you don't, this is an

unpleasant

> > > display regardless of your labeling it a "test."

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Salve Tutor.

Citizens CAN use the flag as long as they don't alter its design. The
Senate passed a Senatus Consultum to this effect. They also have to
add the required copyright notice somewhere on their page, but
otherwise no permission is needed.

http://novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2003-03-03-i.html

Vale
Caesar


- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Simon Larente <slarente@y...> wrote:

> Salvete,
>
> There is something inconsistent here (in my opinion). Why would the

use of the flag be forbidden or require approval from the Senate? If
Nova Roma is a nation, then its flag should belong to all its
citizens. We are allowed to use any nation's flag on any website,
book, poster, etc. Why should it be different for Nova Roma?

>
> The only reason I see is that "business" prevents it! (copyright?).

If it is the case, I find this very sad. A flag is something to be
proud of and everybody, especially to citizens of the nation, should
have access to it freely. If not, this does not respect the basic
concept of a nation and it is merely not any different from a sect or
a big company logo...

>
> Just my two cents...
>
> G Velius Tutor
>
> Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@y...> a écrit :
> Salve Graece.
>
> Your post was hardly supportive, hence why I suggested that

welcoming

> a new citizen's efforts with a bucket of cold water was not really
> calculated to keep the citizen numbers incrementing.
>
> The issue of the flag is moot. Refer to the Tabularium and the
> relevant Senatus Consultum. All that this citizen failed to do was
> add the endorsement. I think we can forgive him that infringement.
>
> I suggest that we remember that he is new to Nova Roma and that all
> he did was to suggest an innovation. If indeed the majority on this
> list like the Yahoo format, then this is where they will stay. If

on

> the other hand people prefer that format they will no doubt migrate
> there.
>
> Some of your points have merit, but the way in which they were
> delivered to him seemed, to me at least, unnecessarily critical of
> what was an effort at proactive involvement. That should be
> applauded, not strangled at birth.
>
> Vale
> Caesar
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lucius_fidelius" <nexus909@h...>
> wrote:
> > Salvete omnes
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar"
> > <gn_iulius_caesar@y...> wrote:
> > > Salvete omnes.
> > >
> > > Speaking for myself I'd rather we tried to avoid throwing cold
> > water
> > > over a new citizen's efforts to be proactive. I - like most

here -

>
> > > prefer the Yahoo list, but I do appreciate his best of
> intentions.
> >
> > That's your perception of my post and was not it's intent- I am
> > uncomfortable with any sort of subversive efforts- they are
> > undignified- if it's a test that's called for by a private

citizen,

> > let him name it appropriately rather than have it appear it is a
> > fully sanctioned test of Nova Roma government. Hearts and flowers
> to
> > your appreciations though my post is based on the consideration

of

> > many discussions about a new forum that seem to be happily
> > sidestepped by simply calling it a Nova Roma test forum.
> >
> > > I also doubt whether droves of people will depart from this

list

> to
> > > his forum, just to also sit there in relative silence. If one

of

> > our
> > > magistrates had a problem with the use of the name and flag I

am

> > > sure they would email him privately.
> >
> > Whether any magistrate had a problem or not was not my concern or
> > even bears on the issue- Roma Antiqua had laws and a process- and

I

> > make my protest in consideration with that and with respect to

it's

> > name and logos of Nova Roma which belong to the senate and people
> of
> > Nova Roma, not any individual.
> >
> > > So before anyone produces a hammer and a bag of nails to

crucify

> > > him, can we reflect that new citizens (relative to our losses)
> are
> > > in short supply.
> >
> > I would contend that new citizens are in short supply due to
> > capriciousness and inauthentic history promulgated for non-
> historical
> > concerns- not to the lack of glad-handling any that have not yet
> > learned gravitas.
> >
> > > Can we at least wait until they pay their tax before we start
> > > hauling them off for a sound flogging?
> >
> > To suggest my post was in any way a a crucifixion or a "flogging"
> is
> > being extremely oversensitive- to answer your own comments, I

would

> > say that oversensitivity is quite an ahistorical trait for a

Caesar.

> >
> > L. Fidelius Graecus
> >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lucius_fidelius"
> <nexus909@h...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Salve
> > > >
> > > > I find this thread quite uncomfortable. Do you have

permission

> to
> > > use
> > > > the Nova Roma name and logo? If you don't, this is an
> unpleasant
> > > > display regardless of your labeling it a "test."
>
>
>
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I, Titus Marcius Felix (Marciano de O. Meneses), further swear to fulfill the obligations and Responsibilities of the office of Brasilian Propraetor's Legatus, to the best of my Abilities while following the Roman virtues and ideals.

I, Titus Marcius Felix (Marciano de O. Meneses), swear to give faithful service to my magistrate, and not to divulge any information discussed in confidence. I understand that I serve solely at the discretion of my magistrate.

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Salve Caesar,

So what is wrong then if it is used in the forum's design? I am confused...

Vale

Tutor

Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@...> a écrit :
Salve Tutor.

Citizens CAN use the flag as long as they don't alter its design. The
Senate passed a Senatus Consultum to this effect. They also have to
add the required copyright notice somewhere on their page, but
otherwise no permission is needed.

http://novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2003-03-03-i.html

Vale
Caesar


- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Simon Larente <slarente@y...> wrote:

> Salvete,
>
> There is something inconsistent here (in my opinion). Why would the

use of the flag be forbidden or require approval from the Senate? If
Nova Roma is a nation, then its flag should belong to all its
citizens. We are allowed to use any nation's flag on any website,
book, poster, etc. Why should it be different for Nova Roma?

>
> The only reason I see is that "business" prevents it! (copyright?).

If it is the case, I find this very sad. A flag is something to be
proud of and everybody, especially to citizens of the nation, should
have access to it freely. If not, this does not respect the basic
concept of a nation and it is merely not any different from a sect or
a big company logo...

>
> Just my two cents...
>
> G Velius Tutor
>
> Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@y...> a écrit :
> Salve Graece.
>
> Your post was hardly supportive, hence why I suggested that

welcoming

> a new citizen's efforts with a bucket of cold water was not really
> calculated to keep the citizen numbers incrementing.
>
> The issue of the flag is moot. Refer to the Tabularium and the
> relevant Senatus Consultum. All that this citizen failed to do was
> add the endorsement. I think we can forgive him that infringement.
>
> I suggest that we remember that he is new to Nova Roma and that all
> he did was to suggest an innovation. If indeed the majority on this
> list like the Yahoo format, then this is where they will stay. If

on

> the other hand people prefer that format they will no doubt migrate
> there.
>
> Some of your points have merit, but the way in which they were
> delivered to him seemed, to me at least, unnecessarily critical of
> what was an effort at proactive involvement. That should be
> applauded, not strangled at birth.
>
> Vale
> Caesar
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lucius_fidelius" <nexus909@h...>
> wrote:
> > Salvete omnes
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar"
> > <gn_iulius_caesar@y...> wrote:
> > > Salvete omnes.
> > >
> > > Speaking for myself I'd rather we tried to avoid throwing cold
> > water
> > > over a new citizen's efforts to be proactive. I - like most

here -

>
> > > prefer the Yahoo list, but I do appreciate his best of
> intentions.
> >
> > That's your perception of my post and was not it's intent- I am
> > uncomfortable with any sort of subversive efforts- they are
> > undignified- if it's a test that's called for by a private

citizen,

> > let him name it appropriately rather than have it appear it is a
> > fully sanctioned test of Nova Roma government. Hearts and flowers
> to
> > your appreciations though my post is based on the consideration

of

> > many discussions about a new forum that seem to be happily
> > sidestepped by simply calling it a Nova Roma test forum.
> >
> > > I also doubt whether droves of people will depart from this

list

> to
> > > his forum, just to also sit there in relative silence. If one

of

> > our
> > > magistrates had a problem with the use of the name and flag I

am

> > > sure they would email him privately.
> >
> > Whether any magistrate had a problem or not was not my concern or
> > even bears on the issue- Roma Antiqua had laws and a process- and

I

> > make my protest in consideration with that and with respect to

it's

> > name and logos of Nova Roma which belong to the senate and people
> of
> > Nova Roma, not any individual.
> >
> > > So before anyone produces a hammer and a bag of nails to

crucify

> > > him, can we reflect that new citizens (relative to our losses)
> are
> > > in short supply.
> >
> > I would contend that new citizens are in short supply due to
> > capriciousness and inauthentic history promulgated for non-
> historical
> > concerns- not to the lack of glad-handling any that have not yet
> > learned gravitas.
> >
> > > Can we at least wait until they pay their tax before we start
> > > hauling them off for a sound flogging?
> >
> > To suggest my post was in any way a a crucifixion or a "flogging"
> is
> > being extremely oversensitive- to answer your own comments, I

would

> > say that oversensitivity is quite an ahistorical trait for a

Caesar.

> >
> > L. Fidelius Graecus
> >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lucius_fidelius"
> <nexus909@h...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Salve
> > > >
> > > > I find this thread quite uncomfortable. Do you have

permission

> to
> > > use
> > > > the Nova Roma name and logo? If you don't, this is an
> unpleasant
> > > > display regardless of your labeling it a "test."
>
>
>
>
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Salve,

The not is the correct Oath. The correct is "Oath of Apparitores"
and was sent this mail-list.

Vale.
Titus Marcius Felix




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marciusfelix" <marciusfelix@y...>
wrote:

>
> I, Titus Marcius Felix (Marciano de O. Meneses) do hereby solemnly
> swear to uphold the honor of Nova Roma, and to act always in the

best

> interests of the people and the Senate of Nova Roma. As a

magistrate

> of Nova Roma,
>
> I, Titus Marcius Felix (Marciano de O. Meneses) swear to honor the
> Gods and Goddesses of Rome in my public dealings, and to pursue the
> Roman Virtues in my public and private life.
>
> I, Titus Marcius Felix (Marciano de O. Meneses) swear to uphold and
> defend the Religio Romana as the State Religion of Nova Roma and
> swear never to act in a way that would threaten its status as the
> State Religion.
>
> I, Titus Marcius Felix (Marciano de O. Meneses), swear to protect

and

> defend the Constitution of Nova Roma.
>
> I, Titus Marcius Felix (Marciano de O. Meneses) further swear to
> fulfill the obligations and responsibilities of the office of
> Brasilian Propraetor's Legatus to the best of my abilities.
>
> On my honor as a Citizen of Nova Roma, and in the presence of the
> Gods and Goddesses of the Roman people and by their will and favor,
> do I accept the position of Brasilian Propraetor's Legatus and all
> the rights, privileges, obligations, and responsibilities attendant
> thereto.

Salve Tutor

Nothing wrong re the flag. All he had to do to be in complete
compliance was to include the blurb about copyright.

Vale
Caesar

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Simon Larente <slarente@y...> wrote:
> Salve Caesar,
>
> So what is wrong then if it is used in the forum's design? I am
confused...
>
> Vale
>
> Tutor
>
> Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@y...> a écrit :
> Salve Tutor.
>
> Citizens CAN use the flag as long as they don't alter its design.
The
> Senate passed a Senatus Consultum to this effect. They also have to
> add the required copyright notice somewhere on their page, but
> otherwise no permission is needed.
>
> http://novaroma.org/tabularium/senate/2003-03-03-i.html
>
> Vale
> Caesar
>
>
> - In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Simon Larente <slarente@y...> wrote:
> > Salvete,
> >
> > There is something inconsistent here (in my opinion). Why would
the
> use of the flag be forbidden or require approval from the Senate?
If
> Nova Roma is a nation, then its flag should belong to all its
> citizens. We are allowed to use any nation's flag on any website,
> book, poster, etc. Why should it be different for Nova Roma?
> >
> > The only reason I see is that "business" prevents it!
(copyright?).
> If it is the case, I find this very sad. A flag is something to be
> proud of and everybody, especially to citizens of the nation,
should
> have access to it freely. If not, this does not respect the basic
> concept of a nation and it is merely not any different from a sect
or
> a big company logo...
> >
> > Just my two cents...
> >
> > G Velius Tutor
> >
> > Gnaeus Iulius Caesar <gn_iulius_caesar@y...> a écrit :
> > Salve Graece.
> >
> > Your post was hardly supportive, hence why I suggested that
> welcoming
> > a new citizen's efforts with a bucket of cold water was not
really
> > calculated to keep the citizen numbers incrementing.
> >
> > The issue of the flag is moot. Refer to the Tabularium and the
> > relevant Senatus Consultum. All that this citizen failed to do
was
> > add the endorsement. I think we can forgive him that infringement.
> >
> > I suggest that we remember that he is new to Nova Roma and that
all
> > he did was to suggest an innovation. If indeed the majority on
this
> > list like the Yahoo format, then this is where they will stay. If
> on
> > the other hand people prefer that format they will no doubt
migrate
> > there.
> >
> > Some of your points have merit, but the way in which they were
> > delivered to him seemed, to me at least, unnecessarily critical
of
> > what was an effort at proactive involvement. That should be
> > applauded, not strangled at birth.
> >
> > Vale
> > Caesar
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lucius_fidelius"
<nexus909@h...>
> > wrote:
> > > Salvete omnes
> > >
> > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar"
> > > <gn_iulius_caesar@y...> wrote:
> > > > Salvete omnes.
> > > >
> > > > Speaking for myself I'd rather we tried to avoid throwing
cold
> > > water
> > > > over a new citizen's efforts to be proactive. I - like most
> here -
> >
> > > > prefer the Yahoo list, but I do appreciate his best of
> > intentions.
> > >
> > > That's your perception of my post and was not it's intent- I am
> > > uncomfortable with any sort of subversive efforts- they are
> > > undignified- if it's a test that's called for by a private
> citizen,
> > > let him name it appropriately rather than have it appear it is
a
> > > fully sanctioned test of Nova Roma government. Hearts and
flowers
> > to
> > > your appreciations though my post is based on the consideration
> of
> > > many discussions about a new forum that seem to be happily
> > > sidestepped by simply calling it a Nova Roma test forum.
> > >
> > > > I also doubt whether droves of people will depart from this
> list
> > to
> > > > his forum, just to also sit there in relative silence. If one
> of
> > > our
> > > > magistrates had a problem with the use of the name and flag I
> am
> > > > sure they would email him privately.
> > >
> > > Whether any magistrate had a problem or not was not my concern
or
> > > even bears on the issue- Roma Antiqua had laws and a process-
and
> I
> > > make my protest in consideration with that and with respect to
> it's
> > > name and logos of Nova Roma which belong to the senate and
people
> > of
> > > Nova Roma, not any individual.
> > >
> > > > So before anyone produces a hammer and a bag of nails to
> crucify
> > > > him, can we reflect that new citizens (relative to our
losses)
> > are
> > > > in short supply.
> > >
> > > I would contend that new citizens are in short supply due to
> > > capriciousness and inauthentic history promulgated for non-
> > historical
> > > concerns- not to the lack of glad-handling any that have not
yet
> > > learned gravitas.
> > >
> > > > Can we at least wait until they pay their tax before we start
> > > > hauling them off for a sound flogging?
> > >
> > > To suggest my post was in any way a a crucifixion or
a "flogging"
> > is
> > > being extremely oversensitive- to answer your own comments, I
> would
> > > say that oversensitivity is quite an ahistorical trait for a
> Caesar.
> > >
> > > L. Fidelius Graecus
> > >
> > > > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "lucius_fidelius"
> > <nexus909@h...>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > Salve
> > > > >
> > > > > I find this thread quite uncomfortable. Do you have
> permission
> > to
> > > > use
> > > > > the Nova Roma name and logo? If you don't, this is an
> > unpleasant
> > > > > display regardless of your labeling it a "test."
> >
> >
> >
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In a message dated 5/25/2005 1:08:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
slarente@... writes:
So what is wrong then if it is used in the forum's design? I am confused...
Nothing is wrong, as long as there disclaimer that this in not an OFFICAL
Novar Roma site.

My only concern was that the professional look of the thing made it appear to
be sanctioned
by the Nova Roma Senate, which it was not.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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Salve Romans

Speaking as a private citizen and as a minor elected official, I for one welcome the enthusiasm of any citizen who tries to illustrate a method of communication that may or may not be an improvement on THE LIST. He is not trying to SELL the logo or the name and I would guess that for the purposes of a trial site for testing and illustration it can be considered "fair use" under U.S. law. As Nova Roma is a U.S. non-profit corporation that is the law would apply. This test site is no more a threat to Nova Roma then any of the other two or three dozen private and unofficial lists of one kind or another.

It never fails to amaze me that no matter what one tries in Nova Roma someone will always find something to criticize.


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Salve Romans

For those of you who have not seen this site I would suggest a look. Maybe we could get out site to look like this someday?

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Vale
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Salvete omnes,

With this age-old discussion about mailing-list vs. bulletin board,
Cordus expressed the exact point of view of mine, so I'll just repreat
his words here:

> I do not want to go to a website to read messages - I
> like having them e-mailed to me. I do not want to read
> messages grouped by subject title - I want to read
> them all in the order they were written. I do not want
> to look only at some things and not at others -
> everything interests me.

And just add that currently I'm member of couple of other community
which use the exactly same bulletin board software as the test one set
up. And what I have noticed is that at the community which has over
1700 registered members who have posted 60700 articles, it is
impossible to find easily anything older than few days old messages.
And I _have to_ daily log in there if I want to keep up with the
discussions. On the other hand the other community which has only some
tens of users who post very irregularly but always on topic and
important messages, I still have to log in every single day to check if
there has been something that interests me, even while there is
actually only a couple of messages per week which in the concern or
interest me.

Campared with the experience of Yahoo Groups I have, I can say that for
me Yahoo Groups is many times better solution. If there is important
debate I really have to read, I can check the website, otherwise I'll
just take a look to the digest. Or in some lists answer individual
emails or at some lists only occasionally read them from web interface.
And anytime I need to check something, I'll just click the folder where
I have archived each mailing list and type in the search-field of
Apple's Mail application the word to be searched and get _fast and
reliable_ serach results even when I don't have Internet connection at
the moment. I spend a lot of time sitting at the train or at the
university libraries or cafe and these are _the_ times when I can do my
NR work, but I don't have there an Internet-connection. But that's no
problem because everything is ready at my iBook's harddrive just
waiting when I have time for it!

As Yahoo Groups can be used pretty much like bulletin boards, but
offers a lot more for those who like email-lists or mix usage of both
types, then I really cannot see how change into more limited
communication method would benefit the NR community in general.

Valete,

Caius Curius Saturninus

Tribunus Plebis
Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org
gsm: +358-50-3315279
fax: +358-9-8754751

Salve Caesar et Omnes.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar"
<gn_iulius_caesar@y...> wrote:

> Salve Graece.
>
> Your post was hardly supportive, hence why I suggested that

welcoming

> a new citizen's efforts with a bucket of cold water was not really
> calculated to keep the citizen numbers incrementing.

True- it was less than supportive though not entirely directed at
this new citizen. And I do think it plays into the larger issues of
why numbers are decreasing- that the structure and dignity of Roma
antiqua is not well enough served. That noone would contest a Nova
Roma forum not sanctioned by the Senate is evidence of this. I
overemphasize on principle because it is not limited to this instance.

> The issue of the flag is moot. Refer to the Tabularium and the
> relevant Senatus Consultum. All that this citizen failed to do was
> add the endorsement. I think we can forgive him that infringement.

He was forgiven from the start by everyone including me. In his zeal
to convince though, he overlooked the value of the official
designations of Nova Roma. And in my opinion, so did some citizens in
their zeal for a more modernized forum. This must be addressed in
some way, as diplomatic or not.

> I suggest that we remember that he is new to Nova Roma and that all
> he did was to suggest an innovation. If indeed the majority on this
> list like the Yahoo format, then this is where they will stay. If

on

> the other hand people prefer that format they will no doubt migrate
> there.

Thank you for making my point clearer than I could- if people prefer
that new format, they SHOULDN'T migrate there. Because it is not Nova
Roma despite all it's appearances- yet the temptation to migrate is
there because of the appearances. It is it's appearance that I
protest.

> Some of your points have merit, but the way in which they were
> delivered to him seemed, to me at least, unnecessarily critical of
> what was an effort at proactive involvement. That should be
> applauded, not strangled at birth.

Thank you for saying so of my points. Proactive involvement should be
applauded though not coddled in lieu of real development which has
foundered before when pursued by established citizens- their efforts
have gone unaccounted for so far in this present discussion.

Aside from any hurt feelings- of which I bear none and desire none
from any citizen new or established- I let my protest stand in
defense of the dignitas of the state.

Vale, et valete omnes,

L. Fidelius Graecus

Salve

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy P. Gallagher"
<spqr753@m...> wrote:

> Speaking as a private citizen and as a minor elected official, I

for one welcome the enthusiasm of any citizen who tries to illustrate
a method of communication that may or may not be an improvement on
THE LIST. He is not trying to SELL the logo or the name and I would
guess that for the purposes of a trial site for testing and
illustration it can be considered "fair use" under U.S. law. As Nova
Roma is a U.S. non-profit corporation that is the law would apply.

The citizens have spoken and by Proconsul Marinus, so have the
officials and I for one am satisfied. I took a cursory glance of
the "test forum" and it appeared to me that development went beyond
testing and illustration and spoke before it went further. It
would be unseemly if this test forum was converted to a new forum
simply because it was being used and this was probable.

> This test site is no more a threat to Nova Roma then any of the

other two or three dozen private and unofficial lists of one kind or
another.

The threat is that official process be circumvented rather than
improved. In something as vital as the official forum or in other
real-world aspects, that is enough in this citizen's opinion.

The needs of the Senate and People outweigh personal interests- even
that of a new citizen who will come to benefit from this idea as
well. I welcome him and have appreciated the opportunity for an
enlivened list.

Vale.

L. Fidelius Graecus

Salve Graece.

I am not in the least bit concerned whether you "welcome him". I am
concerned at the opinion that he and other new citizens may have
formed over this thread. Did he feel welcome? I would be amazed if
he did. I am equally amazed that you think you welcomed him. I must
have missed that part, being buried in all the criticism no doubt.

We maybe on the brink of a recruitment campaign, through Sodalitas
Egressus which will involve considerable effort on the part of a
number of people, and it is precisely this sort of microscopic nit-
picking involving a well-meaning new citizen that would make that
whole proposed exercise futile.

Of course I am glad that you feel that it was all worthwhile and
that you are satisfied now, having spoken up "before it went
further". Of course you couldn't just have emailed him privately in
a positive manner could you?.

Like Paulinus I despair at times of our ability to see something
like this in a positive light. This isn't "politics". When it comes
to that I can dish out the acerbic bile with the best of them. This
is someone who is new trying to contribute, and whether you agree or
not I consider that all he got for his trouble was a firm smack
across the back of his head. There was no need for that.

I am sorry, I found this to be an utterly pathetic example of how de-
focused elements of this community can be on the essential element
to our survival - attracting and retaining new citizens. This was to
me, though obviously not to you, a non-issue. Another mountain
terraformed out of a molehill.

Finally I found your last post to either reek of sanctimonious self-
righteous satisfaction or if that was not the case then it was an
appalling indictment of the level of your sensitivity to someone's
efforts to contribute.

Vale
Caesar

> The citizens have spoken and by Proconsul Marinus, so have the
> officials and I for one am satisfied. I took a cursory glance of
> the "test forum" and it appeared to me that development went

beyond

> testing and illustration and spoke before it went further. It
> would be unseemly if this test forum was converted to a new forum
> simply because it was being used and this was probable.
>
> > This test site is no more a threat to Nova Roma then any of the
> other two or three dozen private and unofficial lists of one kind

or

> another.
>
> The threat is that official process be circumvented rather than
> improved. In something as vital as the official forum or in other
> real-world aspects, that is enough in this citizen's opinion.
>
> The needs of the Senate and People outweigh personal interests-

even

> that of a new citizen who will come to benefit from this idea as
> well. I welcome him and have appreciated the opportunity for an
> enlivened list.
>
> Vale.
>
> L. Fidelius Graecus

Salvete,

concerning this talking, I would like to say that this new and active citizen just wanted
to help as in Gallia we do not have an active forum. In this Provincia, that we are
trying to build, almost everything is new and all initiatives are most welcomed.
As I stated before, this proposal is being taken care of in Gallia and it will stay so.
I encourage any citizen of Nova Roma willing to help Gallia on this topic to email me
privately. Thank you in advance.

Valete,

Sextus Apollonius Scipio

Propraetor Galliae



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Salvete omnes,

I've just read the numerous messages posted on the yahoo mailing list
about the 'issue' of the the test forum.
Although I now believe I could use the Nova Roman flag (after reading
the Senatus consultum; I needed to add an official disclaimer, which I
failed to do...), I have removed all official signs of nova roma,
including the flag and the caption nova roma.

The forum will remain operational under the name 'Publius Minius test
forum' and everyone who wants to see for him or herself how a forum
can contribute to a lively communication between citizens is still
more than welcome on the test forum located
at:http://www.takeforum.com/forum/index.php?mforum=novaroma

It was not my intent to cause internal disturbances within nova roma
so I hope you can forgive this 'beginners error'...


vale

P. Minius Mercator



2005/5/26, lucius_fidelius <nexus909@...>:

> Salve
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy P. Gallagher"
> <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> > Speaking as a private citizen and as a minor elected official, I
> for one welcome the enthusiasm of any citizen who tries to illustrate
> a method of communication that may or may not be an improvement on
> THE LIST. He is not trying to SELL the logo or the name and I would
> guess that for the purposes of a trial site for testing and
> illustration it can be considered "fair use" under U.S. law. As Nova
> Roma is a U.S. non-profit corporation that is the law would apply.
>
> The citizens have spoken and by Proconsul Marinus, so have the
> officials and I for one am satisfied. I took a cursory glance of
> the "test forum" and it appeared to me that development went beyond
> testing and illustration and spoke before it went further. It
> would be unseemly if this test forum was converted to a new forum
> simply because it was being used and this was probable.
>
> > This test site is no more a threat to Nova Roma then any of the
> other two or three dozen private and unofficial lists of one kind or
> another.
>
> The threat is that official process be circumvented rather than
> improved. In something as vital as the official forum or in other
> real-world aspects, that is enough in this citizen's opinion.
>
> The needs of the Senate and People outweigh personal interests- even
> that of a new citizen who will come to benefit from this idea as
> well. I welcome him and have appreciated the opportunity for an
> enlivened list.
>
> Vale.
>
> L. Fidelius Graecus
>
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> To visit your group on the web, go to:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Nova-Roma/
>
> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> Nova-Roma-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.

SALVE SATURNINE ET SALVETE !

I'm agree with you. The Forums are for small groups. In Yahoo groups
I can see all the time what is new, without long and hard
researches. I'm a member of a different forum, too. If I want to see
what is happened there, I must log in every day to see where are new
messages, where new topics start. Sometime I can't follow the course
of discussions. Fortunately, there is not something important.
In the same time, I don't understand which are the reasons to change
the communications way? We will have more citizens who will
participate to the discussions ? I don't belive that. Maybe to the
beginning, because is something new. And then ? How Modius
Athanasius say, to the test forum, the same apathy. This is the
problem. And what we can do ? I don't have an original ideea, but
now, after I read all the posts about this topic, I belive the
answer is in what Iulius Caesar want to say about what the new
citizens can do. Is wonderful when someone come with a new project.
Maybe this project is good, maybe not. If is good is OK. If not, we
must try to keep closer this kind of citizens. Because they are
dedicated. Sure they want to do something. Every time, some citizens
have a few nice words for all who are new in NR. But I belive that
is not enaugh. It's time to do something more official.

VALE ET VALETE,
IVL SABINVS


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caius Curius Saturninus
<c.curius@a...> wrote:

> Salvete omnes,
>
> With this age-old discussion about mailing-list vs. bulletin

board,

> Cordus expressed the exact point of view of mine, so I'll just

repreat

> his words here:
>
> > I do not want to go to a website to read messages - I
> > like having them e-mailed to me. I do not want to read
> > messages grouped by subject title - I want to read
> > them all in the order they were written. I do not want
> > to look only at some things and not at others -
> > everything interests me.
>
> And just add that currently I'm member of couple of other

community

> which use the exactly same bulletin board software as the test one

set

> up. And what I have noticed is that at the community which has

over

> 1700 registered members who have posted 60700 articles, it is
> impossible to find easily anything older than few days old

messages.

> And I _have to_ daily log in there if I want to keep up with the
> discussions. On the other hand the other community which has only

some

> tens of users who post very irregularly but always on topic and
> important messages, I still have to log in every single day to

check if

> there has been something that interests me, even while there is
> actually only a couple of messages per week which in the concern

or

> interest me.
>
> Campared with the experience of Yahoo Groups I have, I can say

that for

> me Yahoo Groups is many times better solution. If there is

important

> debate I really have to read, I can check the website, otherwise

I'll

> just take a look to the digest. Or in some lists answer individual
> emails or at some lists only occasionally read them from web

interface.

> And anytime I need to check something, I'll just click the folder

where

> I have archived each mailing list and type in the search-field of
> Apple's Mail application the word to be searched and get _fast and
> reliable_ serach results even when I don't have Internet

connection at

> the moment. I spend a lot of time sitting at the train or at the
> university libraries or cafe and these are _the_ times when I can

do my

> NR work, but I don't have there an Internet-connection. But that's

no

> problem because everything is ready at my iBook's harddrive just
> waiting when I have time for it!
>
> As Yahoo Groups can be used pretty much like bulletin boards, but
> offers a lot more for those who like email-lists or mix usage of

both

> types, then I really cannot see how change into more limited
> communication method would benefit the NR community in general.
>
> Valete,
>
> Caius Curius Saturninus
>
> Tribunus Plebis
> Propraetor Provinciae Thules
> Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
>
> e-mail: c.curius@a...
> www.academiathules.org
> gsm: +358-50-3315279
> fax: +358-9-8754751

Salvete omnes,

Looks like there is another miniseries about Ancient Rome coming the
end of June. It is a work of fiction, don't know what to expect and
won't hold my breath yet but here are the details.

Quintus Lanius Paulinus




ABC Press Release

Wednesday, April 27, 2005


"EMPIRE," A SWEEPING, NEW SUMMER DRAMA SERIES, WILL PREMIERE JUNE 28
ON THE ABC TELEVISION NETWORK Released by ABC
"EMPIRE," A SWEEPING, NEW SUMMER DRAMA SERIES, WILL PREMIERE JUNE 28
ON THE ABC TELEVISION NETWORK

A Stellar International Cast Features Jonathan Cake and Santiago
Cabrera Trudie Styler Also Appears in the Lavish Six-Hour Series
"Empire," an epic six-hour summer drama series from the executive
producers of the Academy Award-winning "Chicago," will have a
special two-hour premiere, TUESDAY, JUNE 28 (9:00-11:00 p.m., ET),
on the ABC Television Network. The sweeping limited drama series,
filmed entirely in Rome and South Central Italy, focuses on Julius
Caesar's nephew, Octavius, who is forced into exile after Caesar's
murder, and a fictional disgraced gladiator, Tyrannus, who has sworn
to protect him.

The other four one-hour episodes are slated to air on successive
Tuesday nights, all from 10:00-11:00 p.m., ET.

"Empire" features a stellar international cast led by Jonathan Cake
("First Knight," Hallmark's "Noah's Ark") and Santiago Cabrera
("Haven"), with guest and recurring stars including Dennis Haysbert
("24") and Trudie Styler ("Friends," "Confessions of an Ugly
Stepsister"). It is one of the most lavish and technically complex
series ever to air on ABC in primetime. "Empire" is being executive-
produced by award-winning producers Craig Zadan and Neil Meron
("Life with Judy Garland: Me and My Shadows," "The Beach Boys: An
American Family," "Brian's Song," ABC's "Annie," "Rodgers &
Hammerstein's Cinderella" and the Oscar-winning "Chicago"), multiple
award-winner Tony Jonas ("Queer as Folk," "Leap Years"), Chip
Johannessen ("24," "The X-Files,") and Thomas Wheeler ("The
Prometheus Project," "The Mission"), who is also the series creator.

The time is 44 B.C. and the Conqueror Julius Caesar (Colm
Feore, "Chicago," "And Starring Pancho Villa as Himself"; currently
seen as Cassius in "Julius Caesar" on Broadway) returns from
triumphs in Spain to a neglected Republic and a corrupt Senate drunk
with power. Though he's hailed as a hero by the masses, the Senate
is wary of Caesar's plans that might place him in a position of
ultimate power. Brutus (James Frain, "24," USA
Network's "Spartacus," "Arabian Nights") and Cassius (Michael
Maloney, Kenneth Branagh's "Hamlet," "Painted Lady") try to enlist
the help of Marc Antony (Vincent Regan, "Troy," "Joan of Arc") in
overthrowing Caesar, but Antony is loyal to Caesar and refuses. A
terrible conflict looms and the fate of an empire will fall to one
man - a gladiator named Tyrannus.

Tyrannus (Jonathan Cake), Rome's finest warrior, is undefeated in
the arena and considered a champion among men. A slave since he was
a young man, Tyrannus impresses Caesar with his fighting prowess and
his popularity, and with his dedication to Rome. Caesar offers him
freedom in return for his service and friendship. However the Senate
puts up a vicious fight for power and manages to separate Caesar
from Tyrannus' protective grasp by sending the gladiator to one last
match to the death. Cassius and Brutus have Tyrannus' son, Piso,
kidnapped. Tyrannus rushes to his son's rescue and kills the
kidnappers, only to realize that the abduction is a diversion. He
hurries to Caesar's side, but it is too late. His absence results in
Brutus successfully leading a group of conspirators in assassinating
the great conqueror. As he is drawing his last breath, Caesar swears
Tyrannus to an oath to protect his successor, Octavius (Santiago
Cabrera), his 18-year-old nephew.

Tyrannus and Octavius are forced into exile to protect the young man
from those who want to sever Caesar's bloodline once and for all.
They are joined by Agrippa (Chris Egan, upcoming feature film "Alpha
Male," Australian series "Home & Away"), a young soldier, and by
Camane (Emily Blunt, upcoming feature film "My Summer of
Love," "Warrior Queen"), a Vestal Virgin from the powerful religious
Order whose members are being hunted down for trying to save
Octavius. Together they will help Octavius fulfill his destiny. He
leaves Rome an impetuous boy, but will Octavius return as Emperor?

Production scoured south-central Italy for locations to represent
Caesar's Roman Republic, including the ancient roads of the Apian
Way, Aqua Appia, the 2,000-year-old aqueduct responsible for the
first running water, Romulus' Fourth Century tomb, the pine trees
and marketplaces of Ostia Antica and the beachside caves of Anzio, a
famous disembarkation point during World War II. The production
recreated a piazza/arena for the gladiator fights, the Forum,
including the Senate, piazza and various roads, and the interior of
Marc Antony's villa, which boasts 72,000 fake Roman bricks, 11,000
roofing tiles and 16,000 square feet of mosaic floor covering - all
on the 270-acre back lot at Cinecitta Studios, formerly Roma Studios
and, prior to that, the once famous Dino DeLaurentis Studios.

Over 6,000 yards of fabric were gathered from India, Germany and
Italy and painstakingly colored with 320 pounds of dye from fresh
herb extracts, replicating the process from ancient Roman times. The
small army of wardrobe and props personnel also provided 150 sets of
handmade women's jewelry, 700 pair of boots and sandals from Pompeii
and Tunisia and breast plates originally used in the productions
of "Cleopatra" and "Ben Hur."

Additionally, award-winning sword masters, husband-and-wife team Dan
Speaker and Jan Bryant ("Master and Commander: The Far Side of the
World," "Hidalgo," "Hook") took on the challenge of duplicating the
brutish style of the Roman gladiators of over 2,000 years ago,
working one-on-one with the stars of "Empire," especially Jonathan
Cake, who portrays Tyrannus.

"Empire" stars Jonathan Cake as Tyrannus, Santiago Cabrera as
Octavius, Emily Blunt as Camane, Chris Egan as Agrippa and Vincent
Regan as Marc Antony. Recurring or guest stars include Dennis
Haysbert as Magonius, Trudie Styler as Servilia, James Frain as
Brutus, Colm Feore as Julius Caesar, Michael Byrne as Cicero,
Michael Maloney as Cassius, Fiona Shaw as Fulvia, Orla Brady as
Atia, Graham McTavish as General Rapax and N'Deaye Ba as Nila.

Empire" is being directed by John Gray ("Brian's Song," "Helter
Skelter," "Martin and Lewis"), Kim Manners ("X-Files") and Greg
Yaitanes ("Line of Fire," "Cold Case," "CSI Miami"). Craig Zadan,
Neil Meron, Tony Jonas, Chip Johannessen and series creator Tom
Wheeler are the executive producers. The series is produced by
Taranus LTD., in association with Storyline Entertainment, and is
distributed by Touchstone Television.




~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Salve

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Gnaeus Iulius Caesar"
<gn_iulius_caesar@y...> wrote:

> Salve Graece.
>
> I am not in the least bit concerned whether you "welcome him". I am
> concerned at the opinion that he and other new citizens may have
> formed over this thread. Did he feel welcome? I would be amazed if
> he did. I am equally amazed that you think you welcomed him. I must
> have missed that part, being buried in all the criticism no doubt.

I welcomed him for his sake not for yours- and I didn't realize you
were the welcoming committee either. It is your overly dramatic
messages that keep the thread alive- your statements that it is a
crucifixion, a flogging, cold water. This is what I'm buried in- your
own reluctance to see the point of my single message because you are
so carried away in your self-satisfying welcoming duties.

> We maybe on the brink of a recruitment campaign, through Sodalitas
> Egressus which will involve considerable effort on the part of a
> number of people, and it is precisely this sort of microscopic nit-
> picking involving a well-meaning new citizen that would make that
> whole proposed exercise futile.

Microscopic nit-picking- I'll add that to the list of flowery
adjectives for my single (non-supportive- boo-hoo) post. You want
exercise, try exercising on existing citizens- it's not the welcoming
committee that reduces numbers, it's what new citizens find once they
get beyond it.

> Of course I am glad that you feel that it was all worthwhile and
> that you are satisfied now, having spoken up "before it went
> further". Of course you couldn't just have emailed him privately in
> a positive manner could you?.

Couldn't a magistrate have done the same?

> Like Paulinus I despair at times of our ability to see something
> like this in a positive light. This isn't "politics". When it comes
> to that I can dish out the acerbic bile with the best of them. This
> is someone who is new trying to contribute, and whether you agree

or

> not I consider that all he got for his trouble was a firm smack
> across the back of his head. There was no need for that.

"A firm smack." There's another one- I've given this new citizen
quite a beating!

> I am sorry, I found this to be an utterly pathetic example of how

de-

> focused elements of this community can be on the essential element
> to our survival - attracting and retaining new citizens. This was

to

> me, though obviously not to you, a non-issue. Another mountain
> terraformed out of a molehill.

You are so thoroughly carried away with your own self you pick and
choose among my words to suit your prejudgement of my intent. Now I
have graduated to "terraforming"!

> Finally I found your last post to either reek of sanctimonious self-
> righteous satisfaction or if that was not the case then it was an
> appalling indictment of the level of your sensitivity to someone's
> efforts to contribute.

My posts on this topic are done though and I think you've made clear
your own self-righteousness, as citizens who have not deluded
themselves about the real reasons citizens leave Nova Roma will to
my "satisfaction" have already noted.

I will stay clear of new citizens- if nothing else than to prove that
the numbers won't go anywhere but down no matter how saccharine
welcomes will be bestowed on to those who are attracted by Roma
antiqua and find something quite different. To the Centurion in the
Reeboks eating Doritos, I salute you.

Vale.

L. Fidelius Graecus

A. Apollonius Q. Maximo omnibusque sal.

> Q. Fabius Maximus
> Titles too numerous to name.

Oh, go on, give us a treat.





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Avete concives!

I am working on a document in pdf format that will include the Greek
forms of Roman titles, military terms, geographical words, and names,
where applicable. I will make this document available here as well as
on the main Nova Roma website (if the webmaster wishes to list it).
Also, if any civis wants a pdf document with their Roman name in
Greek, email me at this yahoo address and, if it exists in Greek, I
will send them the document.


Iustinus Arcanus Latomus
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In a message dated 5/26/2005 4:08:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
groentje123@... writes:
It was not my intent to cause internal disturbances within nova roma
so I hope you can forgive this 'beginners error'...





I do not believe you did. And we thank you for your diligence, Minius.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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A. Apollonius omnibus sal.

I've been trying to find an account in an ancient
source of the reconciliation of C. Claudius Nero and
M. Livius Salinator after their election as consules
for 207 B.C. I'm sure I remember reading in one of the
sources a bit that ran something like "Claudius said
that Livius had done this and that to him, and Livius
complained that Claudius had done the other, but they
nonetheless agreed to put aside their differences".
What I can't remember is what they accused each other
of.

I can tell you where the passage isn't: it isn't in
Livy; nor is it in any of the four passages of
Valerius Maximus where the two men are mentioned; nor
in the de viris illustribus. Can anyone help me
remember where it *is*?





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EDICTUM I. PROPRAETORIS PANNONIAE
Edictum Propraetoris Cnaei Cornelii Lentuli de Scriba Propraetoris nominanda:
Edictum of Propraetor Cnaeus Cornelius Lentulus about appointment of Scriba Propraetoris:


I. - I hereby appoint _Gaia Laelia Laeta_ as a Scriba Propraetoris Pannoniae (or Scriba Propraetoris Cnaei Cornelii Lentuli) to moderate the mailinglist of Pannonia, to create a new Provincial Website and to help the Propraetor in any matter concerning reorganization of Provincia Pannonia.

II. - This Edictum becomes effective immediately.


Given the 26th of May, anno MMDCCLVIII. AUC

Datum est ante diem VII. Kal. Iunias Francisco Apulo Caesare Gaio Popillio Laenate consulibus


Cnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
PROPRAETOR PANNONIAE





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M'C.Serapio A. Apollonio spd

> I can tell you where the passage isn't: it isn't in
> Livy; nor is it in any of the four passages of
> Valerius Maximus where the two men are mentioned; nor
> in the de viris illustribus. Can anyone help me
> remember where it *is*?

If it's neither in Livy nor Valerius Maximus it has to be either in
Orosius or... Petrarch :-)

I'm sorry I can't be more precise. I don't have these two works at
home, but I remember I read them a few years ago. I don't think other
authors dealt with this anectode.

VALE
Serapio

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Lucius Octavius Severus
Rufus Metellus Ahenobarbus
Rufus Metellus Ahenobarbus
Marcus Darius Firmitus
Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Gaius Silvanius Agrippa
Aurelia Iulia Pulchra
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Manius Constantinus Serapio
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Franciscus Apulus Caesar
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Manius Iulius Caesar
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Salve Hon. Pauline !

Some citizens from Dacia province are still capite censi in Album Gentium. I talk about :
- T. Iulius Sabinus Crassus.
- L. Iulia Sabina Severa
- Q. Iulius Probus
Another problem :
T. Iulia Sabina Arria pay the taxes with this name. But, before the citizenship test, her name was changed by officina aprobatio, and now she is Aula Arria Carina.

Optime vale,
Ivl Sabinvs

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Gaius Galerius Lupus
.....................Provincia Dacia.............
T. Iulius Sabinus
Q. Iulius Sabinus Fortunatus
T. Iulia Sabina Arria
T. Iulius Sabinus Crassus
L. Iulia Sabina Severa
Q. Iulius Probus
M. Prometheus Decius Golia
..................................................
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Tiberius Arcanus Agricola




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>
> Some citizens ...................

SALVE !

I don't know more, but all started when as a tribune under M. Livius
Salinator, Claudius Nero accused his commander of peculation.
Maybe Plutarch ?

VALE,
IVL SABINVS

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> A. Apollonius omnibus sal.
>
> I've been trying to find an account in an ancient
> source of the reconciliation of C. Claudius Nero and
> M. Livius Salinator after their election as consules
> for 207 B.C. I'm sure I remember reading in one of the
> sources a bit that ran something like "Claudius said
> that Livius had done this and that to him, and Livius
> complained that Claudius had done the other, but they
> nonetheless agreed to put aside their differences".
> What I can't remember is what they accused each other
> of.
>
> I can tell you where the passage isn't: it isn't in
> Livy; nor is it in any of the four passages of
> Valerius Maximus where the two men are mentioned; nor
> in the de viris illustribus. Can anyone help me
> remember where it *is*?
>
>
>
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Researchers compile recipes that give the flavor of Pompeii
By Ariel David
The Associated Press

ROME — Sauces made from fermented fish entrails. A quiche-like
pastry shell filled with bay leaves and ricotta cheese. For dessert,
peaches with aromatic cumin and honey.

Those tastes may not be for everyone's palate, but the specialties of
ancient Pompeii are being revived for a month at the site of the
ruins by a research project intended to give new insights into how
the Romans lived.

Pompeii's busiest restaurant was buried with the rest of the
prosperous city when Mount Vesuvius erupted in A.D. 79. The eruption
killed thousands of people, but a 20-foot-deep cocoon of volcanic ash
kept the city almost intact, providing precious information on
domestic life in the ancient world.

Recipes from the Romans

Some recipes from ancient Pompeii, provided by Anna Maria Ciarallo, a
biologist who heads the Italian city's archaeological project:

Peaches with cumin dessert

Peel and chop some firm peaches. Cover peaches in a cumin sauce made
with ground black pepper, parsley, mint leaves, cumin, honey, vinegar
and a dash of garum, which is a fish sauce made from fish entrails
steeped in brine. A modern version of garum, "colatura di alici" or
anchovy juice, is still produced on the Amalfi coast.

Celery dessert

Chop celery, roast in an oven. Serve with honey and ground pepper.

Pork with dried figs and cheese

Boil a fresh pork shoulder with dried figs and bay leaves. Carve off
the rind, cover in pastry and bake in a hot oven. Serve with herbs
mixed with ricotta-like cheese and olive oil and side dishes of
sesame seeds and hazelnuts.

Starting today, visitors will do more than stroll around the
restaurant's tables and gaze at the kitchen tools that have stayed
where residents left them when they were surprised by the
eruption. ...

http://tinyurl.com/ck8ks

(http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/
2002289090_pompei26.html)

Gaius Modius Athanasius Tiberio Galerio Paulino salutem dicit

I have not yet paid taxes, but hope to by mid-summer. Now that I am a full
time student, I no longer work. As a result I am financially challenged, but
hope to get it all together soon. Since I no longer have a credit card (and
therefore, no paypal) can I send a money order by mail?

Vale;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

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sure your status has been changed to Assidui in the Album Civium.

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ME a note as I am the only official that can fix the problem.


Vale

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Salvete omnes,

There is a great exhibit of Pompeii at the Canadian Museum Of
Civilization in Gatineau, Quebec, Canada starting from today until
Sept. 12, 2005. It is easy for Eastern Canadian and New Englander
Nova Romans to get there. Here are the details:


North American premiere of Pompeii
at the Canadian Museum of Civilization

Gatineau, Quebec, - On August 24 in A.D. 79, the greatest natural
disaster of the ancient world destroyed Pompeii, a city often
associated with wealth and pleasure, leaving a perfect time capsule
of city life at the height of the Roman Empire. The exhibition
Pompeii tells the story of the human tragedy of the Mount Vesuvius
eruption.

For the first time in North America, visitors will have the chance
to see nearly 500 artifacts from Pompeii, Herculaneum and other
archaeological sites of the Vesuvian area - frescoes, sculptures,
jewellery, body casts and household items. The exhibition will be
presented at the Canadian Museum of Civilization (CMC) from May 27
to September 12, 2005.

"Since the first archaeological discoveries in the region in 1738,
people have been fascinated by the history of Pompeii and by stories
about the volcano's survivors and victims," said Dr. Victor
Rabinovitch, President and CEO of the Canadian Museum of
Civilization. "The objects in this exhibition shed light on an
extraordinary natural disaster. They are also the most complete,
intact archaeological remains of life in Roman times, and they have
rarely been allowed out of Italy."

Archaeologists have recently uncovered splendid masterpieces by
goldsmiths, painters and sculptors in the cities destroyed by the
volcano. The artifacts reveal the grandeur and the opulence of the
villas and city dwellings of the rich, famous and powerful. They
also show aspects of the everyday life of more humble people. Of
particular interest are the body casts of victims that connect
today's visitor to people who lived and dramatically died 2,000
years ago.

Pompeii has been shown to enthusiastic audiences in Naples,
Brussels, Trieste and Mannheim. After its North American premiere at
the CMC, the exhibition will travel to the Field Museum in Chicago,
to Japan, to China, to the Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto and to
the Museum of Fine Arts in Houston.

Pompeii was developed by the Soprintendenza Archeologica di Pompei
together with the Soprintendenza per i Beni Archeologici di Napoli e
Caserta, and promoted by the Regione Campania-Assessorato ai Beni
Culturali, with the support of the Compagnia di San Paolo and a
contribution from the Autostrade Meridionali SpA.

Adult admission to Pompeii will cost $15 and includes general
admission to the Museum. Timed-entry reservations and advance
purchase are recommended.

On August 24 in A.D. 79, the greatest natural disaster of the
ancient world destroyed Pompeii, a city often associated with wealth
and pleasure, leaving a perfect time capsule of city life at the
height of the Roman Empire. The exhibition Pompeii tells the story
of the human tragedy of the Mount Vesuvius eruption.

For the first time in North America, visitors will have the chance
to see nearly 500 artifacts from Pompeii, Herculaneum and other
archaeological sites of the Vesuvian area - frescoes, sculptures,
jewellery, body casts and household items. The exhibition will be
presented at the Canadian Museum of Civilization (CMC) from May 27
to September 12, 2005.

"Since the first archaeological discoveries in the region in 1738,
people have been fascinated by the history of Pompeii and by stories
about the volcano's survivors and victims," said Dr. Victor
Rabinovitch, President and CEO of the Canadian Museum of
Civilization. "The objects in this exhibition shed light on an
extraordinary natural disaster. They are also the most complete,
intact archaeological remains of life in Roman times, and they have
rarely been allowed out of Italy."

Archaeologists have recently uncovered splendid masterpieces by
goldsmiths, painters and sculptors in the cities destroyed by the
volcano. The artifacts reveal the grandeur and the opulence of the
villas and city dwellings of the rich, famous and powerful. They
also show aspects of the everyday life of more humble people. Of
particular interest are the body casts of victims that connect
today's visitor to people who lived and dramatically died 2,000
years ago.

Pompeii has been shown to enthusiastic audiences in Naples,
Brussels, Trieste and Mannheim. After its North American premiere at
the CMC, the exhibition will travel to the Field Museum in Chicago,
to Japan, to China, to the Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto and to
the Museum of Fine Arts in Houston.

Pompeii was developed by the Soprintendenza Archeologica di Pompei
together with the Soprintendenza per i Beni Archeologici di Napoli e
Caserta, and promoted by the Regione Campania-Assessorato ai Beni
Culturali, with the support of the Compagnia di San Paolo and a
contribution from the Autostrade Meridionali SpA.

Adult admission to Pompeii will cost $15 and includes general
admission to the Museum. Timed-entry reservations and advance
purchase are recommended.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

( Echo Germanica, German-Canadian, news, Nachrichten )

Salve,

I heard about this a few months ago. Since I live in Gatineau, I will most likely visit this exhibit. I hope that the public will be allowed to take pictures. If so, I will take plenty of them and share everything with our community!

Vale,

G V Tutor

"Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)" <mjk@...> a écrit :
Salvete omnes,

There is a great exhibit of Pompeii at the Canadian Museum Of
Civilization in Gatineau, Quebec, Canada starting from today until
Sept. 12, 2005. It is easy for Eastern Canadian and New Englander
Nova Romans to get there. Here are the details:


North American premiere of Pompeii
at the Canadian Museum of Civilization

Gatineau, Quebec, - On August 24 in A.D. 79, the greatest natural
disaster of the ancient world destroyed Pompeii, a city often
associated with wealth and pleasure, leaving a perfect time capsule
of city life at the height of the Roman Empire. The exhibition
Pompeii tells the story of the human tragedy of the Mount Vesuvius
eruption.

For the first time in North America, visitors will have the chance
to see nearly 500 artifacts from Pompeii, Herculaneum and other
archaeological sites of the Vesuvian area - frescoes, sculptures,
jewellery, body casts and household items. The exhibition will be
presented at the Canadian Museum of Civilization (CMC) from May 27
to September 12, 2005.

"Since the first archaeological discoveries in the region in 1738,
people have been fascinated by the history of Pompeii and by stories
about the volcano's survivors and victims," said Dr. Victor
Rabinovitch, President and CEO of the Canadian Museum of
Civilization. "The objects in this exhibition shed light on an
extraordinary natural disaster. They are also the most complete,
intact archaeological remains of life in Roman times, and they have
rarely been allowed out of Italy."

Archaeologists have recently uncovered splendid masterpieces by
goldsmiths, painters and sculptors in the cities destroyed by the
volcano. The artifacts reveal the grandeur and the opulence of the
villas and city dwellings of the rich, famous and powerful. They
also show aspects of the everyday life of more humble people. Of
particular interest are the body casts of victims that connect
today's visitor to people who lived and dramatically died 2,000
years ago.

Pompeii has been shown to enthusiastic audiences in Naples,
Brussels, Trieste and Mannheim. After its North American premiere at
the CMC, the exhibition will travel to the Field Museum in Chicago,
to Japan, to China, to the Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto and to
the Museum of Fine Arts in Houston.

Pompeii was developed by the Soprintendenza Archeologica di Pompei
together with the Soprintendenza per i Beni Archeologici di Napoli e
Caserta, and promoted by the Regione Campania-Assessorato ai Beni
Culturali, with the support of the Compagnia di San Paolo and a
contribution from the Autostrade Meridionali SpA.

Adult admission to Pompeii will cost $15 and includes general
admission to the Museum. Timed-entry reservations and advance
purchase are recommended.

On August 24 in A.D. 79, the greatest natural disaster of the
ancient world destroyed Pompeii, a city often associated with wealth
and pleasure, leaving a perfect time capsule of city life at the
height of the Roman Empire. The exhibition Pompeii tells the story
of the human tragedy of the Mount Vesuvius eruption.

For the first time in North America, visitors will have the chance
to see nearly 500 artifacts from Pompeii, Herculaneum and other
archaeological sites of the Vesuvian area - frescoes, sculptures,
jewellery, body casts and household items. The exhibition will be
presented at the Canadian Museum of Civilization (CMC) from May 27
to September 12, 2005.

"Since the first archaeological discoveries in the region in 1738,
people have been fascinated by the history of Pompeii and by stories
about the volcano's survivors and victims," said Dr. Victor
Rabinovitch, President and CEO of the Canadian Museum of
Civilization. "The objects in this exhibition shed light on an
extraordinary natural disaster. They are also the most complete,
intact archaeological remains of life in Roman times, and they have
rarely been allowed out of Italy."

Archaeologists have recently uncovered splendid masterpieces by
goldsmiths, painters and sculptors in the cities destroyed by the
volcano. The artifacts reveal the grandeur and the opulence of the
villas and city dwellings of the rich, famous and powerful. They
also show aspects of the everyday life of more humble people. Of
particular interest are the body casts of victims that connect
today's visitor to people who lived and dramatically died 2,000
years ago.

Pompeii has been shown to enthusiastic audiences in Naples,
Brussels, Trieste and Mannheim. After its North American premiere at
the CMC, the exhibition will travel to the Field Museum in Chicago,
to Japan, to China, to the Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto and to
the Museum of Fine Arts in Houston.

Pompeii was developed by the Soprintendenza Archeologica di Pompei
together with the Soprintendenza per i Beni Archeologici di Napoli e
Caserta, and promoted by the Regione Campania-Assessorato ai Beni
Culturali, with the support of the Compagnia di San Paolo and a
contribution from the Autostrade Meridionali SpA.

Adult admission to Pompeii will cost $15 and includes general
admission to the Museum. Timed-entry reservations and advance
purchase are recommended.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

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Gaius Popillius Laenas Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit,

Titus Octavius Salvius has been elected Quaestor of Nova Roma winning
all of the tribes casting votes in the election.

My congratulations to Silvius and my thnaks for his willingness to
serve.

Valete.

Gaius Modius Athanasius S.P.D.

And my congratulations as well. And thanks to Quaestor Salvius for his
willingness to serve, and for a long and healthy future in Nova Roma politics.

Valete;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 5/27/2005 1:47:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
gaiuspopilliuslaenas@... writes:

Gaius Popillius Laenas Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit,

Titus Octavius Salvius has been elected Quaestor of Nova Roma winning
all of the tribes casting votes in the election.

My congratulations to Silvius and my thnaks for his willingness to
serve.

Valete.





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Congratulations to Titus Octavius Salvius!

I congratulate You to your election as Quaestor!

>Gaius Popillius Laenas Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit,
>
>Titus Octavius Salvius has been elected Quaestor of Nova Roma winning
>all of the tribes casting votes in the election.
>
>My congratulations to Silvius and my thnaks for his willingness to
>serve.
>
>Valete.

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

G. Equitius Cato T. Octavio Salvio S.P.D.

Salve Titus Salvius.

Congratulations and welcome to the ranks of the Quaestores. It's a
lot of fun down here. At the bottom. Where no-one pays us much
attention. But at least the hat is cool :-) And we do get to make
fun of the Praetores when they're not looking.

Vale optime,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiuspopilliuslaenas"
<gaiuspopilliuslaenas@y...> wrote:

> Gaius Popillius Laenas Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit,
>
> Titus Octavius Salvius has been elected Quaestor of Nova Roma winning
> all of the tribes casting votes in the election.
>
> My congratulations to Silvius and my thnaks for his willingness to
> serve.
>
> Valete.

OSD G. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Higgledy-Piggledy
Diana Lucifer
Looked at Orion and
Thought "What a guy!"
But tricked by Apollo,
She struck with an arrow, and
(nebuladaneously)
Put him in the sky.

Valete bene!

Cato

M.Hortensia Maior G.Equitio salutem dicit;

Salvius has been my scriba this past year, it doesn't get more
lowly than that;-~
Congratulations Tite Octavi! It is all up on the cursus
honorum for you! And well deserved.
bene vale
Marca Hortensia Maior TRP
Caput Officina Iuriis
et Iuvestiatio CFB

>
> Salve Titus Salvius.
>
> Congratulations and welcome to the ranks of the Quaestores. It's a
> lot of fun down here. At the bottom. Where no-one pays us much
> attention. But at least the hat is cool :-) And we do get to

make

> fun of the Praetores when they're not looking.
>
> Vale optime,
>
> Cato
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiuspopilliuslaenas"
> <gaiuspopilliuslaenas@y...> wrote:
> > Gaius Popillius Laenas Quiritibus salutem plurimam dicit,
> >
> > Titus Octavius Salvius has been elected Quaestor of Nova Roma

winning

> > all of the tribes casting votes in the election.
> >
> > My congratulations to Silvius and my thnaks for his willingness

to

> > serve.
> >
> > Valete.

Salve Tiberi Galeri

Please add me to the list and update my status. I paid and can provide
details if needed.

C Marius Merullus

----- Original Message -----
From: "Timothy P. Gallagher" <spqr753@...>
To: "Nova-Roma" <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 8:40 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Taxpayers 2005


> Salve Romans
>
> Here is the list ( if it posts) of the taxes payers for 2005. Please check
> to make sure you name is listed and please check you citizens page to make
> sure your status has been changed to Assidui in the Album Civium.
>
> If your name is not listed or your status has not been changed please
> drop ME a note as I am the only official that can fix the problem.
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Consular Quaestor
>
> Lucius Octavius Severus
> Rufus Metellus Ahenobarbus
> Rufus Metellus Ahenobarbus
> Marcus Darius Firmitus
> Flavius Vedius Germanicus
> Gaius Silvanius Agrippa
> Aurelia Iulia Pulchra
> Marcus Iulius Perusianus
> Caius Ianus Flaminius
> Manius Constantinus Serapio
> Lucius Iulius Sulla
> Franciscus Apulus Caesar
> Aelius Solaris Marullinus
> Publius Iulius Caesar
> Marcus Quirinus Sulla
> Domitius Constantinus Fuscus
> Publius Constantinus Placidus
> Quintus Fabius Allectus
> Marcus Flavius Philippus Conservatus
> Gnaeus Cornelius Lentulus
> Pompeia Minucia Tiberia Strabo
> Marcus Adrianus Complutensis
> Servia Adriana Marcella
> Marianus Adrianus Sarus
> Gaius Adrianus Sergius
> Gnaeus Aelius Baeticus Nebrissensis
> Marcus Aelius Baeticus Octavianus
> Publius Aelius Baeticus Pertinax
> Marcus Cornelius Crassus
> Lucius Didius Geminus Sceptius
> Ennia Durmia Gemina
> Marcus Durmius Sisena
> Lucius Fabius Verus Pompaelianus
> Tiberius Minicius Catulus
> Aulus Minicius Iordannes Pompeianus
> Lucius Minicius Laietanus
> Marcus Minicius Lupus
> Primus Minicius Octavianus
> Gaius Minicius Paullus
> Titus Minicius Paullus
> Ianus Minicius Sparsus
> Aulus Minicius Aelianus
> Publius Rutilius Bardulus Hadrianus
> Quintus Salix Cantaber Uranicus
> Gnaeus Salix Galaicus
> Gnaeus Salvius Astur
> Antonius Gryllus Graecus
> Caius Minucius-Tiberius Scaevola
> Titus Marcius Felix
> Tiberius Iulius Caesar Caelestis
> Publius Valerius Secundus Festus
> Lucia Valeria Secunda Ianuaria
> Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato
> Annia Octavia Indagatrix
> Gaius Iulius Caesar Iulianus Octavianus
> Magia Ovidia Pythia
> Mariniara Octavia Pomptina
> Marcus Curius Modius
> Emilia Curia Finnica
> Caius Curius Saturninus
> Vibius Minucius Falco
> Gallus Minucius Iovinus
> Titus Octavius Pius Ahenobarbus
> Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
> Equestria Iunia Laeca
> Paulla Corva Gaudialis
> Quintus Iunius Dominicus
> Marcus Quintius Clavus
> Numeria Iulia Caesaris Eugenia
> Publius Iulius Caesar Hibernianus
> Decimus Iulius Caesar
> Manius Iulius Caesar
> Gaia Iulia Caesaris
> Aulus Iulius Caesar
> Sextus Iulius Caesar Gallicus
> Secundus Iulius Caesar Africanus
> Drusus Maxentius Silvanus
> Gaia Flavia Aureliana
> Titus Octavius Salvius
> Iohannes Moravius Meridius
> Postuma Sempronia Graccha Placidia
> Aulus Gratius Garseius Avitus
> Gaius Moravius Laureatus Armoricus
> Aulus Apollonius Cordus
> Gaia Fabia Livia
> Decimus Antoninius Aquilius
> Lucius Porticus Brutus
> Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus
> Vibia Ulpia Aestiva
> Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus Pius
> Servius Labienus Cicero
> Gaius Equitius Renatus
> Appia Claudia Labieni Ursa
> Titus Labienus Fortunatus
> Titus Octavius Marcellus
> Quintus Fabius Maximus
> Arnamentia Moravia Aurelia
> Caius Flavius Diocletianus
> Marcus Vitellius Ligus
> Gaius Cordius Symmachus
> Irene Afrania Lentula
> Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
> Publius Memmius Albucius
> M. Octavius Germanicus
> Petrus Silvius Naso
> Lucianus Octavius Romulus
> Marcus Marius Dumnonicus
> Cyrene Gladia Corva Apollinaris
> Marcia Martiana Gangalia Marcella
> Vibia Ritulia Enodiaria
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> Clovius Ullerius Ursus
> Gaius Galerius Lupus
> T. Iulius Sabinus
> Q. Iulius Sabinus Fortunatus
> T. Iulia Sabina Arria
> T. Iulius Sabinus Crassus
> L. Iulia Sabina Severa
> Q. Iulius Probus
> M. Prometheus Decius Golia
> Marcus Marcius Rex
> Tiberius Arcanus Agricola
> Lucius Arminius Faustus
> Gaius Claudius Nero
> Lucia Ambrosia Apollinaris
> Octavianus Titinius
> Gaius Iulius Iulianus
> Cynthia Cassia Justicia
> Marcus Cassius Julianus
> Patricia Cassia
> Prima Ulleria Gladiatrix
> A. Ulleria Machinatrix
> S. Ullerius Venator
> Prima Fabia Drusila
> Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
> Marcus Arminius Maior
> Publius Arminius Maior
> Lucius Arminius Metellus
> Fabiana Arminia Metella
> Tiberius Arminius Hyacinthus
> Hadrianus Arminius Hyacinthus
> Quintus Arminius Hyacinthus
> Sextus Arminius Remus
> Philippus Arminius Remus
> Kaeso Arminius Cato
> Spurius Arminius Carus
> Vibius Arminius Corbulus
> Gnaeus Arminius Saturninus
> Lucius Arminius Cotta
> Manius Arminius Corbulo
> Titus Horatius Atticus
> Caius Arminius Reccanellus
> Flavia Lucilla Merula
> Alexandria Iulia Agrippa
> Gallio Velius Marsallas
> Marcus Iunius Iulianus
> Servia Iulia Caesaris Metelliana
> Quintus Sevilius Fidenas
> Gaius Ambrosius Artorius Iustinus
> Iulia Caesaris
> Gaius Equitius Cato
> Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
> Quintus Postumius Albinus Maius
> Iusta Sempronia Iustina
> M.Ambrosius Falco
> Lucia Cassia Silvana
> Gaius Popillius Laenas
> Gnaeus Iulius Caesar
> Julilla Sempronia Magna
> Quintus Valerius Callidus
> Iulius Aemilius Felsinus
> Gaius Geminius Germanus
> Sextus Apollonius Scipio
> Sextus Minucius-Tiberius Gallus
> Gnaeus Equitius Marinius
> Paulina Gratidia Equitia
> Gratia Equitia Marina
> Alia Equitia Marina
> Marcus Flavius Fides
> Decimus Gladius Lupus
> Quintus Valerius Callidus
> Lucius Aelius Baeticus Murena
> Tiberius Ambrosius Quintilianus
> Salvia Sempronia Graccha
> Drusilla Cassia Titiana
> Drusilla Ulleria Germanica
> Fausta Martiana Gangalia Minervalis
> Marcia Colombia Rex
> Merlinia Ambrosia Artori
> Quintus Cassius Calvus
> Sibylla Ambrosia Fulvia
> M. Gladius Agricola
> Claudia Iulia
> Marcus Cornelius Chilensis
> Tiberius Atilius Bellator
> S.E.M. Troianus
> Gn. Scribonius Scriptor
> Flavia Tullia Scholastica
> Lucius Fidelius Graecus
> Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens
> G. Cornelius Ahenobarbus
> Marcus Iulius Caesar
> Marcus Cassius Philippus
>

A. Apollonius M' Constantino T. Julio omnibusque sal.

Thanks for your help. I'll have a look at Orosius.





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--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
<a_sempronius_regulus@...> wrote:

> May 27, 2005
>
>
> Paganism ruling stirs outcry
> Experts expect court to overturn order that bars
> divorced pair from exposing son to Wicca.
>
> What is Wicca?
>
> Wicca is not a centralized religion but a belief
> system observed by about 50,000 Americans that's
> recognized by reference texts such as the Army
> Chaplain's Handbook.
>
> Wicca is related to a form of European tribal nature
> worship. Wiccans regard living things as sacred and
> often show a special concern for the environment.
>
> They do not worship Satan, but some do practice
> "magick" and cast "spells." Some, but not all,

Wiccans

> worship in the nude, or "skyclad," as a sign of
> attunement with nature.
>
> The core ethical value of Wicca, which some have
> likened to the Golden Rule, states, "As it harm

none,

> do what you will."
>
> -- Star report
>
>
>
>
> By Kevin Corcoran
> kevin.corcoran@...
>
>
> A court order prohibiting a Marion County father and
> his ex-wife from exposing their son to

"non-mainstream

> religious beliefs" is likely to be reversed, legal
> experts said Thursday.
>
> However, publicity about the divorce case could help
> better educate people about Wicca, a contemporary
> pagan religion, said Andrew Koppelman, a

Northwestern

> University law professor.
>
> Cale J. Bradford, chief judge of Marion Superior
> Court, kept the unusual provision in Thomas E. Jones
> Jr. and Tammie U. Bristol's divorce decree last year
> over their protests, court records show. The parents
> are practicing Wiccans, and their divorce decree

does

> not define a mainstream religion.
>
> The Indiana Civil Liberties Union and Jones assert

the

> judge's order tramples on the parents'

constitutional

> right to expose their son, Archer, to a religion of
> their choice. Both say the court failed to explain

how

> exposing the boy to Wicca's beliefs and practices
> would harm him.
>
> Debate swirled in pagan religious circles locally

and

> nationally after The Indianapolis Star reported on

the

> case Thursday. Jones, 37, said he posted messages on
> two Web sites Thursday in an attempt to keep pagans
> from sending e-mail and letters of protest to
> Bradford.
>
> "I've posted pleas for them to leave him alone,"

Jones

> said.
>
> Through a court spokeswoman, Bradford has said he
> cannot discuss the pending legal dispute. The

Indiana

> Court of Appeals could rule at any time.
>
> Experts say an appellate ruling is likely to go in
> Jones' favor.
>
> "Parents have a constitutional right to direct the
> upbringing of their children. That has been settled
> for nearly a century," said Koppelman, an expert in

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M. Hortensia Maior Quiritibus spd;

Salvete quirites below are the results of the Senate agenda and voting

bene valete

Marca Hortensia Maior TRP
,

The following are the results of the last Senatus Consultum.
22 Senatores have voted, which satisfies the requirements for a
quorum. Please check the votes I have recorded below for each of you
who voted. This is list of the Senatores which have voted:

FAC - Franciscus Apulus Caesar
GPL - G. Popillius Laenas
ECF - Emilia Curia Finnica
CFL - C. Fabia Livia
AGG - Antonius Gryllus Graecus
TLF - T Labienus Fortunatus
GEM - Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
GSA - Gnaeus Salvius Astur
CFD - C. Flavius Diocletianus
MIP - Marcus Iulius Perusianus
LSA - L. Sergius Australicus
LECA - Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
MAM - Marcus Arminius Maior
MCS - Manius Constantinus Serapio
QFM - Quintus Fabius Maximus
MMTA - Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens
LAF - Lucius Arminius Faustus
DIPI - Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus
CFQ - Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus
JSM - Julilla Sempronia Magna
ATMC - Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato
PMTS - Pompeia Minucia-Tiberia Strabo
GMM - Gaius Marius Merullus


On 5 items, just one didn't passed, the others have been approved.

Tribunes, please check the results and after inform the Populus
about them.

+++++++++++

#01 - Permission to translate part of Nova Roma website
submitted by Senatrix Patricia Cassia
Nova Roma is asked to grant permission for the Center for Educational
Technology [http://www.cet.ac.il/ in Hebrew], a nonprofit
organization in Israel, to translate into Hebrew and republish the
following page http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/numbers.html with
credit to Nova Roma, the owner of the content, and Patricia Cassia
(Patricia J. Bradford), its author, for inclusion in a fifth-grade
mathematics textbook.

PASSED (22 VTI ROGAS)

FAC - VTI ROGAS: I'm favourable with this kind of permissions, they
could help to promote NR.
GPL - VTI ROGAS
ECF - VTI ROGAS
CFL - VTI ROGAS
AGG - VTI ROGAS
TLF - VTI ROGAS
GEM - VTI ROGAS
GSA - VTI ROGAS
CFD - VTI ROGAS
MIP - VTI ROGAS
LSA - VTI ROGAS
LECA - VTI ROGAS
MAM - VTI ROGAS
MCS - VTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS
MMTA - VTI ROGAS
LAF - VTI ROGAS
DIPI - VTI ROGAS
CFQ - VTI ROGAS
JSM - VTI ROGAS
ATMC - VTI ROGAS
PMTS - VTI ROGAS
GMM - VTI ROGAS


++++++++

#03 - Appointment of Flavia Tullia Valeria Scholastica as official
interpreter of Latin

PASSED (22 VTI ROGAS)

FAC - VTI ROGAS
GPL - VTI ROGAS
ECF - VTI ROGAS: I know this citizen and cordially welcome her
appointment.
CFL - VTI ROGAS
AGG - VTI ROGAS
TLF - VTI ROGAS
GEM - VTI ROGAS: Flavia Tullia has done exceptional work as my Scriba
Latinitas over the past two years. The Republic will benefit from
having her in this capacity.
GSA - VTI ROGAS: Flavia Tullia is more than capable to do the work,
and
she has
practically done it in the past. I thank her for offering her skills
to the service of Nova Roma.
CFD - VTI ROGAS
MIP - VTI ROGAS
LSA - VTI ROGAS
LECA - VTI ROGAS
MAM - VTI ROGAS
MCS - VTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS: Though I question word "Official". Does this mean
any
translations by myself, Iulius, Gryllus, or Equitius are
unofficial?
MMTA - VTI ROGAS
LAF - VTI ROGAS: I have much joy on this appointment
DIPI - VTI ROGAS
CFQ - VTI ROGAS: Flavia Tullia will be a good Interpreter and I am
happy to vote for her.
JSM - VTI ROGAS: Flavia Tullia is a dedicated Latinist, with the
advanced education needed for this very responsible task.
ATMC - VTI ROGAS
PMTS - VTI ROGAS
GMM - VTI ROGAS



++++++++++

#04 - Approvation of the "Go Roman!" project by Sodalitas Egressus
Further information in the archive of this mailing list.

PASSED (21 VTI ROGAS; 1 ABSTINEO)

FAC - VTI ROGAS: I fully support this project, I think it is an
excellent
plan to promote NR in the academical and cultural fields. As Consul
and professional art director, I'll give my complete assistance and
help to the Sodalitas Egressus for the accomplishment of the Go
Roman!
GPL - VTI ROGAS
ECF - VTI ROGAS
CFL - VTI ROGAS
AGG - VTI ROGAS
TLF - VTI ROGAS
GEM - VTI ROGAS: This is an impressive proposal. My congratulations
to
Senator Audens, to Gn. Iulius Caesar for his work in putting the
proposal together, and to all of the Sodalitas Egressus for an
excellent
program.
GEM - VTI ROGAS: With my best wishes to the consul and to senator
Audens. Please
remember that we all are here to help you to recruit more citizens.
CFD - VTI ROGAS
MIP - VTI ROGAS
LSA - VTI ROGAS
LECA - VTI ROGAS
MAM - VTI ROGAS
MCS - VTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS
MMTA - VTI ROGAS
LAF - VTI ROGAS
DIPI - VTI ROGAS
CFQ - VTI ROGAS: I am happy to vote for this very important project.
Congratulations
to Marcus Audens and Gnaeus Caesar.
JSM - VTI ROGAS: I have read the documents several times and
followed
its development with great interest. I find "GO Roman" to be a
commendable project, one which will, I believe, be a valuable tool
for
provincial governors.
ATMC - VTI ROGAS
PMTS - VTI ROGAS
GMM - ABSTINEO: I have nothing against the content of this proposal.
It
is along
the lines of the original purpose of the sodalitas egressus. I do not
understand why the Senate has to endorse it.




++++++++++

#05 - Marcus Vitellius Ligus to be appointed governor (Propraetor)
of Provincia America Austrorientalis.

PASSED (15 VTI ROGAS; 1 ANTIQVO; 6 ABSTINEO)

FAC - ABSTINEO: I don't know him directly
GPL - VTI ROGAS: Marcus Vitellius has served as my Legate in America
Austrorientalis for some time. He is active in re-enactment Legions
and, therefore, is in a good position to promote real world meetings.
He has my full support and I ask the Senate to approve him as my
successor.
ECF - VTI ROGAS
CFL - VTI ROGAS
AGG - ABSTINEO
TLF - VTI ROGAS
GEM - VTI ROGAS: America Austrorientalis needs an able and active
governor.
It will help to have one of the current governor's assistants carry
on
this duty.
GEM - VTI ROGAS
CFD - VTI ROGAS
MIP - ABSTINEO
LSA - VTI ROGAS
LECA - VTI ROGAS
MAM - VTI ROGAS
MCS - VTI ROGAS
QFM - VTI ROGAS
MMTA - ABSTINEO: I have no personal knowledge of this candidate's
adminstrative ability or sitability for the position requested.
LAF - VTI ROGAS
DIPI - VTI ROGAS
CFQ - VTI ROGAS
JSM - ABSTINEO: I regret that I have insufficient knowledge on the
background and qualifications of this individual.
ATMC - ANTIQVO: do do not know enough about this
gentleman. He may very well be up to the job, but I would wish to
know more about his abilities.
PMTS - ABSTINEO
GMM - VTI ROGAS



++++++++++

#06 - Appointment of Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus Pius
(http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/civis?id=4031) as official
interpreter of Latin

DIDN'T PASSED (10 VTI ROGAS; 5 ANTIQVO; 7 ABSTINEO)

FAC - ABSTINEO: I don't know him directly
GPL - VTI ROGAS: Q. Caecilius has served the Republic in a number of
positions including as my Praetorian scribe and currently as a
Diribitor. He has my full support.
ECF - ABSTINEO
CFL - VTI ROGAS
AGG - VTI ROGAS
TLF - VTI ROGAS
GEM - ABSTINEO
GEM - ANTIQVO: As someone who is also studying Latin, like
Postumianus
is doing, I
know that it is not easy to translate a complex and long text,
written
in a vernacular language by someone who does not speak Latin at all,
into proper Latin. I thank Postumianus for his willingness to help
Nova Roma, but I am afraid that he is not ready to take this
responsability yet. I wish him good luck with his Latin, and I hope
that he will not take this personally.
CFD - VTI ROGAS
MIP - ABSTINEO
LSA - ABSTINEO
LECA - VTI ROGAS
MAM - ANTIQVO: I respect the dedication of Q.Caecilius to Nova
Roma, but i think that we need to have only one official interpreter
for each language, and i voted for Flavia Tullia, in the item #3
above.
MCS - ANTIQVO: I am fully aware of Q Caecilius' dedication, but I
think
he
does not fit the requirements for this position, a position which is
very important for Nova Roma. I don't want him to take this
personally. If I just wanted to vote against him as an individual I
could have done it without taking care of inquiring about his skills
in this field.
QFM - VTI ROGAS: Though again the same question?
MMTA - ABSTINEO: I have no personal knowledge of this citizens
talent
with Latin.
LAF - ANTIQVO
DIPI - VTI ROGAS: There can be more than one translator, therefore
I vote to approve Metellus's request. He will continue to improve,
especially working alongside Scholastica.
CFQ - ANTIQVO
JSM - ANTIQVO: Translation from one language to another is a great
challenge�one that I would not presume to take on myself after six
years of
French and immersion in German for a year. I hope that Quintus
Caecilius Metellus Postumianus Pius will continue with his Latin
studies, for
he sets us all a good example, and at some future date I expect that
he'll be well qualified to take on this role.
ATMC - VTI ROGAS
PMTS - ABSTINEO
GMM - VTI ROGAS


Valete bene
Fr. Apulus Caesar
Senior Consul
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Am I mistaken? I thought part of the Senate agenda was
a request made by Bellator? What happened with that?
Curious, is all.

S P Q R

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Salve Marce Fide,

raymond fuentes wrote:

> I thought part of the Senate agenda was
> a request made by Bellator? What happened with that?

It was withdrawn because there was some uncertainty about what, exactly,
was being asked.

Vale,

-- Marinus

Salvete,
Ah, one of the trials of the long path to wisdom is to
know exactly and specifically what one's question is.
Valete,
--- Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:

> Salve Marce Fide,
>
> raymond fuentes wrote:
>
> > I thought part of the Senate agenda was
> > a request made by Bellator? What happened with
> that?
>
> It was withdrawn because there was some uncertainty
> about what, exactly,
> was being asked.
>
> Vale,
>
> -- Marinus
>

A. Sempronius Regulus

Astra inclinant, non necessitant. - Albinus
Aequam memento rebus in arduis servare mentem. - Horace
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As I understood it, he wans permission to fly the
colors of NR or a legion in Iraq. A request I would
make if I was still on active duty. Who withdrew it?
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
<a_sempronius_regulus@...> wrote:

> Salvete,
> Ah, one of the trials of the long path to wisdom is

to

> know exactly and specifically what one's question

is.

> Valete,
> --- Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...>

wrote:

> > Salve Marce Fide,
> >
> > raymond fuentes wrote:
> >
> > > I thought part of the Senate agenda was
> > > a request made by Bellator? What happened with
> > that?
> >
> > It was withdrawn because there was some

uncertainty

> > about what, exactly,
> > was being asked.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > -- Marinus
> >
>
> A. Sempronius Regulus
>
> Astra inclinant, non necessitant. - Albinus
> Aequam memento rebus in arduis servare mentem. -

Horace

> MMDCCLVIII Anno urbis conditae (AUC)
>
>
>
>
>
>
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We police in the New York City area have such a forum
called NYPD RANT. We love it!! It could work here.
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <groentje123@...>
wrote:

> But couldn't you settle with a forum? It's very easy

to operate.

> Consider it to be like this mailing list, but

instead of receiving

> e-mails, you go to a special website where all the

discussions are

> organised in different categories and every

discussion has its own

> subject title. Much easier to look at the things

that interest you,

> without having to read endless stacks of e-mails...
>
> 2005/5/24, A. Apollonius Cordus

<a_apollonius_cordus@...>:

> > A. Apollonius P. Minio omnibusque sal.
> >
> > > I'm Publius Minius Mercator and I have just

received

> > > full Nova Roman
> > > citizenship!
> >
> > Welcome!
> >
> > > One of the first things I noticed was that Nova

Roma

> > > doesn't have a
> > > forum... I heard it's because the previous one

was

> > > constantly hacked,
> > > but times have changed. You can now get a free

forum

> > > at
> > > www.takeforum.com which is completely safe. I

for

> > > one consider a forum
> > > a much easier way of communicating: you can

browse

> > > through archives,
> > > look for topics that interest you, ...
> > > Maybe we could keep the Yahoo mailing list for
> > > official notices?
> > >
> > > Let me know what you think...
> >
> > This sounds like a variant on a conversation we

have

> > had many times here, usually inconclusively. A

while

> > ago some citizens set up a little working group

to

> > look at possible alternative to this list as it
> > currently operates, but I don't know what's

happened

> > to that project. Personally I like this list the

way

> > it is, as do some other people, so I think the

ideal

> > solution would be a very flexible and

user-friendly

> > type of thing which would allow people like me to

use

> > it like the current list and people like you to

use it

> > more like you want to use it. Sadly I am totally
> > lacking in the technical know-how to say anything
> > helpful about how we could achieve that, but if

you

> > look back in the archives you may find past
> > suggestions enlightening.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

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