Salve,

well Senator Cassius told me the making of 5000 coins costs about 1200
us dollars. So I think Nova Roma could pay for the coins with the
current budget, that is if the Senate approves of it of course, and
even make this a profitable operation. The main issue is, I think,
removing the possibility to reexchange your coins for US dollars...

vale

Publius Minius Mercator

On 6/9/05, AthanasiosofSpfd@... <AthanasiosofSpfd@...> wrote:
>
> Salve;
>
> While I think the idea is very interesting, and unique, I'm not sure it
> would be practical. Sending coins in the mail to pay taxes might be
> problematic
> for the quaestors. Most people pay their taxes, I assume, by way of
> paypal
> or check. If this was an option that provincial governors could use then
> it
> *might* work, but would need to be regulated and might be an
> administrative
> nightmare.
>
> It takes "real" money to keep an organization afloat, and even though coins
>
> would be purchased you still have to take into consideration the actual
> investment it takes to create the coin. The coins would not be of real
> benefit
> until they paid for themselves, but remained in circulation.
>
> I think the bottom line is... WE WANT COINS! We want to have them, and we
> would like to see them come out more often. I would like to see coins
> issues
> each year with our new Consuls. I think it would be a good idea for the
> senate to take over from Marcus Cassius the responsibility of minting the
> coins,
> and producing the flag. Find out exactly how much is needed to produce
> the
> coins and try to raise the money necessary to mint them. Then sell them.
> Ho
> pefully, it will turn into an endeavor that will at least pay for itself.
>
> I too would like to see more coins!
>
> Valete;
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius
>
> In a message dated 6/9/2005 6:06:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> groentje123@... writes:
>
> I sent this to the Senator, but because he's currently setting up a
> new business he hasn't got the time to respond...
>
> Let me know what you think...
>
> Publius Minius Mercator
>
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>
>
>
>
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Salve G. Modii,

Once a gain you live up to your reputation of integrity and honesty.
It is a grat pleasure to exchange correspondance and views with you.

Rest assured that I will do my utmost to assist you when you have
made up your mind about what to do.

Optime Vale

CMLA

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
>
> Salve;
>
> No need to apologize, but thank you. It is actually refreshing
having a
> discussion without tempers getting too over the top. You have been
very helpful
> in your offers of assistance, and in your input on the subject.
>
> I have spend the past several days thinking and meditating on Nova
Roma, and
> my involvement and trying to put some things in order. I think my
disdain
> for the new system comes partly from a sense of loss that I have
placed onto
> the new system without being totally fair to the new system -- and
I *could*
> be transferring my disappointment onto the new system. Right
around the time
> the new system was being implemented the most active member of
Gens Modia --
> Agrippina Modia Aurelia -- left Nova Roma because of Macronational
> obligations. Then the second most active member of Gens Modia --
Lucia Modia Lupa --
> has gone to no internet in a cross country move, and change of
schools (I
> believe). All the other members of the Gens have also been very
busy, and out of
> touch (save for Lucius Modius Kaelus whom I talk to from time to
time).
>
> When Modia Aurelia left it was a major blow to the Gens, and Modia
Lupa as
> well. I look forward to when she can return to being in contact
with the rest
> of us.
>
> In a spirit of honesty with myself, I am evaluating if the recent
events of
> those in Gens Modia are more to blame or if the new system is
somehow not as I
> would like it. I liked the old system because it was simpler --
but it DID
> require an active Pater/Mater Familias. I liked that it was more
akin to a
> household (via SCA), and gave a sense of unity. This is what I
liked.
> People had to petition a Gens, and get accepted. Finding a Gens
was like finding
> a group that was best suited to your needs. Now it is more along
the lines
> of finding a name you like. The old way was more about people,
and
> interacting with them. However, I will think about this more, and
mull it over.
>
> A lot to contemplate. Thank you for the discussion.
>
> Vale;
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius
>
> In a message dated 6/9/2005 7:11:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> laurent_coffre@b... writes:
>
> Salve,
>
> I agree with you on all points. And let me add that I never
> considered your wishes to be "nilly-willy": It was a figure of
speech
> designed to make a rethorical difference between real bonds, of
which
> you speak well, and unwarranted other abuse of the adoption
> procedure. In any case I was not responding to you but to the query
> of another citizen. Since this forum is public and that we are not
> face to face, it is difficult to respond to personal enquiries
while
> writing to all if the matter is of public interest.
>
> Please accept my apologies if in the process I offended you in
> anyway. You would have noticed from the content of my other e-
mails
> today that I am here to serve, and serve I will.
>
> Optime vale
>
> CMLA
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve,

5000 coins is alot, but if there is a variety of images on the coins
Im sure a bunch of people would collect them. If shipping was extra
and a coin was $1, than there would be $3800 of profit, minus paypal
fees (through internet sales) and time spent. I think it is
definitely worth it.

Vale,
D. Claudius Aquilius Germanicus

> Salve,
>
> well Senator Cassius told me the making of 5000 coins costs about

1200

> us dollars. So I think Nova Roma could pay for the coins with the
> current budget, that is if the Senate approves of it of course, and
> even make this a profitable operation. The main issue is, I think,
> removing the possibility to reexchange your coins for US dollars...
>
> vale
>
> Publius Minius Mercator

Salve;

With 200 or so citizens paying taxes it seems viable to mint coins every
year. If you sell them for $1 each or something like 6 for $5 then you could
make your money back simply by promoting the coins. Provincial Governors could
get involved, and it could really be a fun way to promote Nova Roma.

Vale;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 6/9/2005 7:47:01 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
groentje123@... writes:

Salve,

well Senator Cassius told me the making of 5000 coins costs about 1200
us dollars. So I think Nova Roma could pay for the coins with the
current budget, that is if the Senate approves of it of course, and
even make this a profitable operation. The main issue is, I think,
removing the possibility to reexchange your coins for US dollars...

vale

Publius Minius Mercator





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AVETE OMNES

According to the budget of 2753, when the coins where produced, "the
two sided die for a coin would cost $600 and to create a base run of
5000 coins would cost $1000 even. That gives us a firm price of
$1600 plus shipping costs which would be approximately $30."
Total: $1630.

If the die costs $600 I don't think it would be sensible to spend
$600 every year for a new one with the new consuls, especially
considering that we'd have to create a base run of 5000 coins each
time, i.e. we'd have to spend $1630 per year.

Currently Nova Roma already owns the old die, which would allow us
to save the expense for a new one. The fact is, we'd have to create
5000 coins as a minimum all the same, i.e. $1030. Are there so many
people eager to buy NR coins that would justify such an expense?

That said, at the Conventus in Rome (4-10 August) there will be NR
coins for everybody. I bought 400 coins a couple of years ago and I
still have about 200 which Provincia Italia sells during live events.

OPTIME VALETE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio

AVE SERAPIO !

And the price for one coin will be........

VALE,
IVL SABINVS

Manius Constantinus Serapio <mcserapio@...> wrote:

That said, at the Conventus in Rome (4-10 August) there will be NR
coins for everybody. I bought 400 coins a couple of years ago and I
still have about 200 which Provincia Italia sells during live events.

OPTIME VALETE
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@c...> wrote:
>Perhaps some of the citizens who are members of local groups
> could give us an indication of how their groups conduct business during
> meetings.

in Rome, we have an average period for our meetings of one month: we've been keeping this tradition for about one year, which means to meet in the same place (a pub in the Campus Martius, Via del Pellegrino, a street believed to be part of the route on the Via Triumphlis in its approching to the ancient theathres area) on a friday evening.

So, what we do is talking while eating and arguing about Roman things, NRroman bussiness and NR Italia, the local association. I must say that all happen in a very un-formal envinronment, even tought we try to follow a "O.d.G" (Ordine del Giorno, translated is "the order of the day").

Sometimes (this time maybe once every two-three months) we meet to make a visit or attend an event or make a walk among the ruins: last time (3 weeks ago) we were at the temple of God Rediculus a.k.a. tomb of Annia Regilla, in the Caffarella park.

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Salve:

I am new to Nova Roma and have enjoyed following the discourse over the
past couple months. Admittedly, I have missed a bit as it has been many
years since I studied Latin. I am a member of the Unrecognised States
Numismatic Society, at www.usns.info

We study the coinage of "Unrecognised States", which includes Nova Roma,
regional, rebel, fantasy and secessionist moviments around the world. Many
of us go beyond the study and create our own coins, such as Atlantium,
Zilchstadt, L'ile Helipolis, Balleny Island and Westarctica Territories,
and a coin I have in production at the moment, a bimetallic Republic of
Monte Cristo. Two members, Mr. Tom Maringer of Shire Post Mint in Arkansas
and Greg Franck-Weiby of Oregon have their own minting businesses. Shire
Post is one of the top private mints in the USA, while Greg is a private
entrepreneur "old world craftsman" who makes coins for the SCA in medieval
and Roman/Greek style, using like methods, for sale at their Rennaissance
Faires. Both men design and create their own dies.

I have been very lucky in obtaining some hard to find Nova Roma coins
thanks to the generosity of a citizen back east. The coins can be a fine
fund raiser, and many outside of Nova Roma in the numismatic community
would probably be eager to collect. We will be listing Nova Roma coins on
our websites library. We have among our members numerous esteemed coins
dealers from around the world, and we have been in contact with nearly
every major dealer it seems. Also, we have numismatic writers and
publishers of many of the most popular catalogs and periodicles in the coin
collecting biz.

One of these members, editor Colin Bruce of Krause Publishing has a catalog
due out this summer, Unusual World Coins 4th ed., in which we anticipate he
will list the Nova Roma coins. We have been thrilled to assist in the
research for this publication. Undoubtedly he would be eager to list any
future Nova Roma coins in future editions.

Just a brief mention of the coin costs mentioned below. The "run" price
seems to me reasonable based on the size and metallic composition of the
Nova Roma coin specimens I've been able to pick up. You may be able to do a
good deal better on the die price. For the Monte Cristo coin, which is
going to be 3-D bimetallic (silver and black nickel) and partially
colorized, we paid only $ 260 die creation (this includes both sides). Our
initial run is only 100 coins, which we will be selling at around $15 give
or take, plus shipping/handling, net proceeds to charity. Our per unit run
cost of $ 4 per coin is obviously much higher, but this is because of the
silver, the bimetallic mint work, the colorized portions and the large
1.75" diameter size.

I am using Quality Challenge Coins, in the Harrisburg PA area. They have a
fine website with examples of the endless private coinage they have
created. They mint a sizeable number of their coins for the military and
government agencies. If you inquire please contact CEO Lisa Hanshaw-Black
as we exchanged many emails during the planning stages of the Monte Cristo.
Mike Fleegal in involved in the actual design process and may be happy to
offer comments on design ideas. Contact info:

Lisa M. Black, CEO Quality Challenge Coins
717-564-1454
1-866-77-COINS
Fax: 717-564-1643
lisa@...

If there is a desire to create some new Nova Roma coins I'm sure many
members of our society would be interested in possibly contributing to the
cause. Anyone wishing to contact me by private email, please feel free to
do so at; knossos134@...

If anyone wishes to sell Nova Roma coins, many of our members also have
their own eBay Stores. Also, I'd be happy to spead the word in the society
if Nova Roma citizens have extra coins they would be willing to sell
privately.

Stephen Vogelsang

> [Original Message]
> From: Manius Constantinus Serapio <mcserapio@...>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 6/9/2005 5:16:59 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nova Roma coins
>
> AVETE OMNES
>
> According to the budget of 2753, when the coins where produced, "the
> two sided die for a coin would cost $600 and to create a base run of
> 5000 coins would cost $1000 even. That gives us a firm price of
> $1600 plus shipping costs which would be approximately $30."
> Total: $1630.
>
> If the die costs $600 I don't think it would be sensible to spend
> $600 every year for a new one with the new consuls, especially
> considering that we'd have to create a base run of 5000 coins each
> time, i.e. we'd have to spend $1630 per year.
>
> Currently Nova Roma already owns the old die, which would allow us
> to save the expense for a new one. The fact is, we'd have to create
> 5000 coins as a minimum all the same, i.e. $1030. Are there so many
> people eager to buy NR coins that would justify such an expense?
>
> That said, at the Conventus in Rome (4-10 August) there will be NR
> coins for everybody. I bought 400 coins a couple of years ago and I
> still have about 200 which Provincia Italia sells during live events.
>
> OPTIME VALETE
> Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Research To Investigate Links Between Ancient Greeks And Modern
Science Fiction

New research into the Ancient Greeks shows their knowledge of travel
inspired early forms of fantasy and science fiction writing.

There is a long tradition of fantasy in Greek literature that begins
with Odysseus' fantastic travels in Homer's Odyssey. Dr Karen Ni-
Mheallaigh, at the University of Liverpool's School of Archaeology,
Classics and Egyptology, is exploring fantasy in ancient literature,
examining theories of modern science fiction writing and how these
can be applied to texts from the ancient world.

Dr Ni-Mheallaigh is looking at the work of 2nd century AD writer,
Lucian of Samosata, who wrote True Histories, a travel narrative that
includes an account of a trip to the moon and interstellar warfare.
Antihanes of Berge - who wrote about his travels in the far north of
Europe, where it was so cold that conversations 'froze in the air,' -
will also be examined, as well as the writer Herodotus who wrote
about 'flying snakes; and 'giant gold-digging ants' in India.

Dr Ni-Mheallaigh explains: "Fantasy writing in the ancient world is
still relatively unexplored from a literary perspective. What is so
interesting about these fantastical journeys is that many of them are
written in the form of truthful travel logs and historical texts. The
Greeks had a fascination with the exotic and other worlds and some
writers travelled to the north and Far East to satisfy their
intrigue. The cultures they found there were so different from their
own that they were inspired to fantasize and speculate about even
more remote and exotic worlds.

"The Greeks seemed to have had an anxiety about writing pure fiction,
and so writers who were notorious for their 'tall' tales -- such as
Ctesias, Antiphanes and Megathenes - would write about their
adventures in the form of travel logs, or back up their findings with
pseudo-documentary evidence, such as 'rediscovered' texts or invented
inscriptions.

"It was Lucian who was the first to admit that everything he wrote
was untrue and could never occur. His writing-style is however
calculated to convince his reader that all his adventures are in fact
true. His writing plays a very clever game with the reader's mind,
and, like all science fiction and fantasy writing today, allows the
reader to ponder, what if ... ?


http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/06/050607010820.htm

Salve,

I also do not think it would be reasonable to mint 5000 coins each
year, but I think there are a lot off people willing to buy these
coins at the moment, and because our stock of coins is depleted I
think we're really missing out on some financial income...
I also believe we shouldn't only try to sell them to nova romans, but
also to people outside of nova roma, as a support/memorative coin...
I'm thinking about reenactment events (like you're doing in nova roma
italia), numismatic groups,... Perhaps we could sell them for more
money to non-citizens?

vale

Publius Minius Mercator
Scriba Prolegati Regionis Belgicae Germanicae


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Manius Constantinus Serapio"
<mcserapio@y...> wrote:

> AVETE OMNES
>
> According to the budget of 2753, when the coins where produced, "the
> two sided die for a coin would cost $600 and to create a base run of
> 5000 coins would cost $1000 even. That gives us a firm price of
> $1600 plus shipping costs which would be approximately $30."
> Total: $1630.
>
> If the die costs $600 I don't think it would be sensible to spend
> $600 every year for a new one with the new consuls, especially
> considering that we'd have to create a base run of 5000 coins each
> time, i.e. we'd have to spend $1630 per year.
>
> Currently Nova Roma already owns the old die, which would allow us
> to save the expense for a new one. The fact is, we'd have to create
> 5000 coins as a minimum all the same, i.e. $1030. Are there so many
> people eager to buy NR coins that would justify such an expense?
>
> That said, at the Conventus in Rome (4-10 August) there will be NR
> coins for everybody. I bought 400 coins a couple of years ago and I
> still have about 200 which Provincia Italia sells during live

events.

>
> OPTIME VALETE
> Manivs Constantinvs Serapio

Salve;

One way to afford new coins each year is to require the new consuls to each
pay a portion of the cost of minting the coins. In return the coins will
bear their names, and the year of their Consulship. I wouldn't expect them to
pay the whole amount, but between them about half. Say $300 a piece. They
could also purchase several coins for themselves.

Vale;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 6/9/2005 10:24:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
groentje123@... writes:

Salve,

I also do not think it would be reasonable to mint 5000 coins each
year, but I think there are a lot off people willing to buy these
coins at the moment, and because our stock of coins is depleted I
think we're really missing out on some financial income...
I also believe we shouldn't only try to sell them to nova romans, but
also to people outside of nova roma, as a support/memorative coin...
I'm thinking about reenactment events (like you're doing in nova roma
italia), numismatic groups,... Perhaps we could sell them for more
money to non-citizens?

vale

Publius Minius Mercator
Scriba Prolegati Regionis Belgicae Germanicae





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Salvete
I would also be interested in obtaining some NR coins, but I
understand the cost and problems that go along with. What I would
really like to get my hands on is a flag! Are they still available?
Or can they be?
Valete,
Servia Iulia Caesaris Metelliana

AVETE OMNES

Thank you Mr. Vogelsang for your contribution to this matter.

> You may be able to do a
> good deal better on the die price. For the Monte Cristo coin,

which is

> going to be 3-D bimetallic (silver and black nickel) and partially
> colorized, we paid only $ 260 die creation (this includes both

sides).

That's a very good price if compared to what has been spent for the
NR die.
I've also been thinking that, now that we have very active citizens
in Eastern Europe (Dacia - Romania) we might try asking for
estimates in that area, which should be much cheaper than those we
can get in the US or in Western Europe.
What do you all think?

As to the idea of asking the Consuls to pay $300 each for a die,
well... let's not turn Nova Roma into a plutocracy. ;-)
The proposal of a die for $260 and of an initial run of less than
5000 coins is already a good one. Let's keep looking for various
possibilities and we might get to a sensible solution.

VALETE
M'C.Serapio

P. Memmius Albucius omnibus s.d.

S.V.G.E.R.

I have appreciated Mr. Vogelsang's post.

I have also noted that his numismatic organization considers Nova Roma
as a "Unrecognised State(s)", beside "regional, rebel, fantasy and
secessionist" organizations.

I cannot decide how to consider the closeness of these kinds
of "moviments", the fantasy ones appearing between the rebel ones and
the secessionist ones...

Valete,

P. Memmius Albucius
Tribunus Plebis
Legatus Lugdunensis Galliae

Salve.
If a strange post appears it was because of my children, but any way...I can't get anything when I click on the link. It sounds interesting and I would like to find out more about it.
Vale,
Servia Iulia

AthanasiosofSpfd@... wrote:

While not the splendor that is Roman Days, Elysium Gathering sponsored by
Three Roads Community (_www.three-roads.org_ (http://www.three-roads.org) ), has
a Roman ritual every year -- conducted by priests of Nova Roma. This year
will see a ritual by citizens; Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus Pius,
Gaia Gladia Oceana, and myself. While not an *official* Nova Roma event, I do
believe it is one of the few or only public rituals conducted on behalf of
official priests of Nova Roma.

Additionally, this year will see the second year that I have offered a
public ritual in honor of Pomona at Pagan Spirit Gathering, a Pagan festival with
over 950 people registered for this year.

Valete;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 6/8/2005 8:33:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rory12001@... writes:

---Salvete Servia Iulia et omnes;
well that's even better, I really cannot remember. Flavia Tullia was
telling me there are Legions in the Carolinas and they have get
togethers. Doesn't this sound excellent.
Roman Days sounded great, bother, I'm sorry I'm missing both of
them, but all the sweeter for next year! And thanks again you are one
nice amica.
bene valet
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AthanasiosofSpfd@... wrote:
While not the splendor that is Roman Days, Elysium Gathering sponsored by
Three Roads Community (_www.three-roads.org_ (http://www.three-roads.org) ), has
a Roman ritual every year -- conducted by priests of Nova Roma. This year
will see a ritual by citizens; Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus Pius,
Gaia Gladia Oceana, and myself. While not an *official* Nova Roma event, I do
believe it is one of the few or only public rituals conducted on behalf of
official priests of Nova Roma.

Additionally, this year will see the second year that I have offered a
public ritual in honor of Pomona at Pagan Spirit Gathering, a Pagan festival with
over 950 people registered for this year.

Valete;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 6/8/2005 8:33:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rory12001@... writes:

---Salvete Servia Iulia et omnes;
well that's even better, I really cannot remember. Flavia Tullia was
telling me there are Legions in the Carolinas and they have get
togethers. Doesn't this sound excellent.
Roman Days sounded great, bother, I'm sorry I'm missing both of
them, but all the sweeter for next year! And thanks again you are one
nice amica.
bene valet
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Salvete omnes

I would have thought that, given the enormous interest in numismatics
world-wide, an issue of micronational coins would soon become a real
collector's item. There would need, of course, to be great publicity for the
issue. Furthermore, it could interest a lot more people in the whole concept
of Nova Roma. I am only a poor pedagogue, so in no way a businessman, but I
am sure there must be many people in the Nation who have great business
acumen, and would thereby be able to raise the Nova Roman profile and
perhaps bring in great funds for the Republic. Just a thought!

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Of Publius
Sent: 09 June 2005 11:03
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Nova Roma coins



Salve,

well I've recently asked the same thing to Senator Cassius who was
responsible for making the first lot of coins. He replied to me saying
that he currently lacked the funds to make new coins... (he payed for
the coins himself) I also proposed to make coins with more value but
he told me that this would encourage making false coins, exchanging
them for dollars and thus bankrupting Nova Roma...
To counter this I propose to do this:
"Maybe you shouldn't allow
reexchanging nova roman coins for us dollars, that way there would be
no benefit for making large amounts of false coins and nova roma
couldn't be bankrupted. You could however allow citizens to cash in
their coins instead of paying their taxes... That way, more funds
could be created for nova roma (by selling coins at 1 dollar (2
sestertii instead of one) or more while their 'real' value is much
lower) and you could encourage people to buy the coins. I believe many
people, including me, are interested in buying coins. I think this
would also help increase the number of taxpayers, because paying your
Nova Roman taxes with Roman sestertii is so much more fun than sending
some dollars or euros on a foreign bank account. Maybe provincial
officials could cash in the sestertii and then resell then at local NR
events... (whilst
sending the money made from selling the coins to nova roma) This would
encourage people to pay their taxes I think and also would help the
nova roman economy to develop... It would also give Nova Roma an even
greater prosperity and reputation than it already has now...
I also think we could sell the coins to people on the streets or at
local reenactment event as a support for Nova Roma. We could ask for
example 2 euro's for a coin of 2 sestertii "

I sent this to the Senator, but because he's currently setting up a
new business he hasn't got the time to respond...

Let me know what you think...

Publius Minius Mercator

Scriba Prolegati Regionis Belgiace Germanicae

On 6/9/05, albmd323232 <albmd32@...> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> I am wondering if Nova Roma coins will produced again? Ive read a
> number of times that people are interested in buying them, me being
> one.
>
> Valete,
> D. Claudius Aquilius Germanicus
>
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>
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A. Apollonius M'. Constantino amico omnibusque sal.

> If the die costs $600 I don't think it would be
> sensible to spend
> $600 every year for a new one with the new consuls,
> especially
> considering that we'd have to create a base run of
> 5000 coins each
> time, i.e. we'd have to spend $1630 per year.

Not to mention the fact that it is a decidedly
unrepublican thing to place the portrait of a living
person on a coin: only gods have their portraits on
coins, or, just possibly, long-dead ancestors.

But C. Modius' idea of allowing the consules to have
their names on coins is perfectly republican. I'll
leave more arithmetically-minded citizens than myself
to decide whether it's financially viable! :)





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SALVE SERAPIO !

I don't have any ideea about this domain, but I know one thing : low costs = low quality. But, sure, we can try to ask for estimates. If I remember well, Marcus Prometheus has done something to the State Mint and he told me it wasn't expensive.

OPTIME VALE,
IVL SABINVS

Manius Constantinus Serapio <mcserapio@...> wrote:

That's a very good price if compared to what has been spent for the
NR die.
I've also been thinking that, now that we have very active citizens
in Eastern Europe (Dacia - Romania) we might try asking for
estimates in that area, which should be much cheaper than those we
can get in the US or in Western Europe.
What do you all think?





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Salve Gai Modi et Salvete,

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, AthanasiosofSpfd@a... wrote:
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius Lucio Vitellio Triario salutem dicit
>
> The old system is gone, and a new system is upon us. I shall have
to learn
> to find merit in the new system, and find peace with it.

We shall all rely upon the guidance, wisdom, and experience of those
like yourself and others who came before us as we grow and develop.

As new systems and ideas are presented, considered, approved or
declined, we must always remember that there is no substitute for the
words and experiences of those who have been there, whether we are in
agreement or not on a particular subject.

VETUS CIVITAS SCEPTRUM (Old Guys Rule!)

Vale et Valete,
Triarius

L. VITELLIUS TRIARIUS SENATUS POPULESQUE S.P.D.

EGO LUCIUS VITELLIUS TRIARIUS HAC RE IPSA DECUS NOVAE ROMAE ME
DEFENSURUM ET SEMPER PRO POPULO SENATUQUE NOVAE ROMAE ACTURUM ESSE
SOLLEMNITER IVRO

EGO LUCIUS VITELLIUS TRIARIUS OFFICIO PRAEFECTUS REGIO TENNESSEE
AMERICA AUSTRORIENTALIS ACCEPTO, DEOS DEASQUE ROMAE IN OMNIBUS MEAE
VITAE PUBLICAE TEMPORIBUS CULTURUM, ET VIRTUTES ROMANIS PUBLICA
PRIVATUQUE VITA ME PERSECUTURAM ESSE IVRO

EGO LUCIUS VITELLIUS TRIARIUS RELIGIO ROMANAE ME FAUTURAM ET SAM
DEFENSURAM, ET NUMQUAM CONTRA EIUS STATUM PUBLICUM ME ACTURAM ESSE,
NE QUID DETRIMENTI CAPIAT IVRO

EGO LUCIUS VITELLIUS TRIARIUS OFFICIIS MENERIS PRAEFECTUS REGIO
TENNESSEE AMERICA AUSTRORIENTALIS ME QUAM OPTIME FUNCTURUM ESSE
PRAETEREA IVRO

MEO CIVIS NOVAE ROMAE HONOUE CORAM DEIS DEABUSQUE POPULI ROMANI, ET
VOLUNTATE FAVOREQUE EORUM, EGO MUNUS PRAEFECTUS REGIO TENNESSEE
AMERICA AUSTRORIENTALIS PROVINCIA URA CUM IURIBUS, PRIVILEGIIS,
IMUNERIBUS ET OFFICIIS COMITANTIBUS ACCIPIO

PRIDIE ANTE DIEM V ID IVNIAS MMDCCLVIII FRANCISCUS APULUS CAESAR
GAIUS POPILLIUS LAENUS CONSULIBUS NOVAE ROMAE
---------------------
I LUCIUS VITELLIUS TRIARIUS (CHIP HATCHER) DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR TO
UPHOLD THE HONOUR OF NOVA ROMA AND TO ACT ALWAYS IN THE BEST
INTERESTS OF THE PEOPLE AND SENATE OF NOVA ROMA

AS A MAGISTRATE OF NOVAROMA, I, LUCIUS VITELLIUS TRIARIUS (CHIP
HATCHER), SWEAR TO HONOUR THE GODS AND GODDESSES OF ROME IN MY PUBLIC
DEALINGS AND TO PURSUE THE ROMAN VIRTUES IN MY PUBLIC AND PRIVATE
LIFE.

I, LUCIUS VITELLIUS TRIARIUS (CHIP HATCHER) SWEAR TO UPHOLD AND
DEFEND THE RELIGIO ROMANA AS THE STATE RELIGION OF NOVA ROMA AND
SWEAR NEVER TO ACT IN A WAY THAT WOULD THREATEN ITS STATUS AS THE
STATE RELIGION.

I, LUCIUS VITELLIUS TRIARIUS (CHIP HATCHER) SWEAR TO PROTECT AND
DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF NOVA ROMA.

I, LUCIUS VITELLIUS TRIARIUS (CHIP HATCHER) FURTHER SWEAR TO FULFILL
THE OBLIGATIONS AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE OFFICE OF PRAEFECTUS
REGIO OF TENNESSEE AMERICA AUSTRORIENTALIS TO THE BEST OF MY
ABILITIES.

ON MY HONOUR AS A CITIZEN OF NOVA ROMA AND IN THE PRESENCE OF THE
GODS AND GODDESSES OF THE ROMAN PEOPLE AND BY THEIR WILL AND FAVOUR,
DO I ACCEPT THE POSITION OF PRAEFECTUS REGIO OF TENNESSEE AMERICA
AUSTRORIENTALIS AND ALL THE RIGHTS, PRIVILEGES, OBLIGATIONS AND
RESPONSIBILITIES ATTENDANT HERE TO.

Sworn June 9, 2005, 2758 A.U.C. in the Consulship of Franciscus
Apulus Caesar and Gaius Popillius Laenus

L. Vitellius Triarius
Praefectus Regio of Tennessee, America Austrorientalis

Salve;

Thats odd. I clicked the link below and it came up just fine. Try typing it directly into your browser.

www.three-roads.org

Vale;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

-----Original Message-----
From: JOEY NICOLE KING <metelliana@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 09:29:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Elysium Gathering


Salve.
If a strange post appears it was because of my children, but any way...I can't
get anything when I click on the link. It sounds interesting and I would like
to find out more about it.
Vale,
Servia Iulia

AthanasiosofSpfd@... wrote:

While not the splendor that is Roman Days, Elysium Gathering sponsored by
Three Roads Community (_www.three-roads.org_ (http://www.three-roads.org) ), has

a Roman ritual every year -- conducted by priests of Nova Roma. This year
will see a ritual by citizens; Quintus Caecilius Metellus Postumianus Pius,
Gaia Gladia Oceana, and myself. While not an *official* Nova Roma event, I do
believe it is one of the few or only public rituals conducted on behalf of
official priests of Nova Roma.

Additionally, this year will see the second year that I have offered a
public ritual in honor of Pomona at Pagan Spirit Gathering, a Pagan festival
with
over 950 people registered for this year.

Valete;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 6/8/2005 8:33:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
rory12001@... writes:

---Salvete Servia Iulia et omnes;
well that's even better, I really cannot remember. Flavia Tullia was
telling me there are Legions in the Carolinas and they have get
togethers. Doesn't this sound excellent.
Roman Days sounded great, bother, I'm sorry I'm missing both of
them, but all the sweeter for next year! And thanks again you are one
nice amica.
bene valet
Marca Hortensia





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Of course we would want to have the likeness of Pomona on the coins :)

Gaius Modius Athanasius

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From: A. Apollonius Cordus <a_apollonius_cordus@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 18:39:28 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nova Roma coins


A. Apollonius M'. Constantino amico omnibusque sal.

> If the die costs $600 I don't think it would be
> sensible to spend
> $600 every year for a new one with the new consuls,
> especially
> considering that we'd have to create a base run of
> 5000 coins each
> time, i.e. we'd have to spend $1630 per year.

Not to mention the fact that it is a decidedly
unrepublican thing to place the portrait of a living
person on a coin: only gods have their portraits on
coins, or, just possibly, long-dead ancestors.

But C. Modius' idea of allowing the consules to have
their names on coins is perfectly republican. I'll
leave more arithmetically-minded citizens than myself
to decide whether it's financially viable! :)


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Salvete omnes,

Sometimes doing Roman things can be fun and easy, and they don't have
to be serious all the time :-)

Here is an example, a short citation from Horatius' Epistulae, printer
and special paper from which the print can be ironed onto a textile and
little baby is all you need to do this...

http://www.insulaumbra.com/markus/marcus.html

And yes, we tried to take a photo where he smiles, as he does it so
often, but he always is so amazed by camera that forgets to smile :-)

Valete,

Caius Curius Saturninus

Tribunus Plebis
Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org
gsm: +358-50-3315279
fax: +358-9-8754751

Salve Amice!

Yes Marcus is good looking even when discussing philosophy or poems
with his parents! ;-)

>Salvete omnes,
>
>Sometimes doing Roman things can be fun and easy, and they don't have
>to be serious all the time :-)
>
>Here is an example, a short citation from Horatius' Epistulae, printer
>and special paper from which the print can be ironed onto a textile and
>little baby is all you need to do this...
>
>http://www.insulaumbra.com/markus/marcus.html
>
>And yes, we tried to take a photo where he smiles, as he does it so
>often, but he always is so amazed by camera that forgets to smile :-)
>
>Valete,
>
> Caius Curius Saturninus
>
> Tribunus Plebis
> Propraetor Provinciae Thules
> Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
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Ha, ha, ha..what he doing there Saturnine ? He salute us ? Arria Carina already loves him. Me and Crassus, too. Ave, Marcus !

OPTIME VALE,
IVL SABINVS

Caius Curius Saturninus <c.curius@...> wrote:
Salvete omnes,

Sometimes doing Roman things can be fun and easy, and they don't have
to be serious all the time :-)

Here is an example, a short citation from Horatius' Epistulae, printer
and special paper from which the print can be ironed onto a textile and
little baby is all you need to do this...

http://www.insulaumbra.com/markus/marcus.html

And yes, we tried to take a photo where he smiles, as he does it so
often, but he always is so amazed by camera that forgets to smile :-)

Valete,

Caius Curius Saturninus

Tribunus Plebis
Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org
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Salvete,

as our familia has been registered, our three little boys (9,6 and 4) would like to
become Roman citizens. I would like to know if there is already a Sodalitas that could
give some materials for our young ones to get involved and learn.
Thank you.

Valete,

Sextus Apollonius Scipio



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Salve Amice!

This was what I wrote on the e-mail list of Societas (future
Sodalitas) Iuventutis_Romanae (The Roman Youth Society) after some
questions:

>Salvete Amici!
>
>When I founded this organisation I had the idea to create some kind
>of Roman Scout/legionary youth organisation. Now I have found that a
>lot of people apply to become Nova Roman citizens, but are too young.
>
>I have got the idea to make this a official Sodalitas and then
>recommend all applicants under 18 years of age to join. SIR. I don't
>think I can contribute until in the middle of the autimn when my
>Censorial work will begin to slow down. But what do You all think? Is
>it a good idea or not?
>--
>
>Vale
>
>Caeso Fabius Quintilianus
>Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator

As You know I am full of plans and ideas, but I must try to work with
them one or two at a time. ;-) Otherwise there will become nothing of
some of them. I might have time for this during the autumn. If You
join then we might do something creative with this idea. ;-) Please
once again send my greetings to Kevin! By the way, when will he
become a citizen? I would be very pleased to assist You in that,
please contact me privately!

>Salvete,
>
>as our familia has been registered, our three little boys (9,6 and
>4) would like to
>become Roman citizens. I would like to know if there is already a
>Sodalitas that could
>give some materials for our young ones to get involved and learn.
>Thank you.
>
>Valete,
>
>Sextus Apollonius Scipio

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
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http://www.hanenberg-media-webdesign.com/cohors/index_uk.htm
************************************************
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"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

SALVE APPOLONI SCIPIO !

In april, Senior Consul, Apulus Caesar, presented a beautiful site
for children. I remember about it today, and I belive, it'll be
instructive and amazing for your sons.

http://matilde.netribe.it/pompei/uk/home.htm

OPTIME VALE,
IVL SABINVS

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Sextus Apollonius Scipio
<scipio_apollonius@y...> wrote:

> Salvete,
>
> as our familia has been registered, our three little boys (9,6 and

4) would like to

> become Roman citizens. I would like to know if there is already a

Sodalitas that could

> give some materials for our young ones to get involved and learn.
> Thank you.
>
> Valete,
>
> Sextus Apollonius Scipio
>
>
>
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Ave Marcus et Saturninus et Finnica,

What a great photo.

You have many years of enjoyment to come as Marcus grows. Cherish
every monent.

Valete,

G. Popillius Laenas

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Manius Constantinus Serapio"
<mcserapio@y...> wrote:

> AVETE OMNES
>

[matter deleted]

>
> Currently Nova Roma already owns the old die, which would allow us
> to save the expense for a new one. The fact is, we'd have to create
> 5000 coins as a minimum all the same, i.e. $1030. Are there so many
> people eager to buy NR coins that would justify such an expense?

[matter deleted]


salve amice Serapio et salvete omnes

Late last year we had a discussion within Gens Gladia on this topic.
It was suggested that if we create a "generic reverse (back)" die we
could occasionally create new obverse (front) dies, thus cutting the
cost of new issues nearly in half.

I have created a folder in the Photos section called "Gens Gladia" and
I have uploaded an image there illustrating my point. I used a paint
program to alter the image from the main website (sorry) to create a
generic reverse. I am sure a more artistic person could do better, but
I think that the idea comes through.


This thread shows that there ARE people outside Nova Roma who would be
interested in our coins. We should use this as a way to establish the
idea of Nova Roma more firmly outside of our Republic.

I would like to see different groups within Nova Roma come forward to
serve the Republic by acting as sponsors of new coin issues. The
sponsoring group would raise the initial cash and create the obverse
design, all with the permission and approval of the Senate, of course.
In this way these groups would help the State and gain honor for
themselves.

If this idea takes hold, and if the permission of the Senate could be
obtained, I would call for all gentes, familia and citizens who take
Apollo as a patron to proceed along the lines indicated above to
produce a Nova Roma coin in honor of Apollo. I feel that this coin
would generate interest from groups outside of Nova Roma, thus helping
the treasury by bringing cash into our economy.

optime valete

M. Gladius Agricola

Salvete,

I can confirm that there is a market outside Nova Roma for our coins. I
have personally sold coins from my private stock from our first minting
to coin collectors. Especially those interested in micropatrology.

I have not been following the discussion, I am sorry to say, but I would
also point out that some manner of distinction between issues should be
made (i.e., it should be able to be told if a coin was from the first
minting or the second). It would not do to have an exact duplicate of
the first coin reissued en masse without some sort of way of telling the
one from the other.

And I would point out that our coins have value within the larger Pagan
community in terms of objects of sacrifice. They have been used more
than once in that capacity, to my personal knowledge, and great delight.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae

Marcus Gladius Agricola wrote:

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Manius Constantinus Serapio"
> <mcserapio@y...> wrote:
> > AVETE OMNES
> >
>
> [matter deleted]
>
> >
> > Currently Nova Roma already owns the old die, which would allow us
> > to save the expense for a new one. The fact is, we'd have to create
> > 5000 coins as a minimum all the same, i.e. $1030. Are there so many
> > people eager to buy NR coins that would justify such an expense?
>
> [matter deleted]
>
>
> salve amice Serapio et salvete omnes
>
> Late last year we had a discussion within Gens Gladia on this topic.
> It was suggested that if we create a "generic reverse (back)" die we
> could occasionally create new obverse (front) dies, thus cutting the
> cost of new issues nearly in half.
>
> I have created a folder in the Photos section called "Gens Gladia" and
> I have uploaded an image there illustrating my point. I used a paint
> program to alter the image from the main website (sorry) to create a
> generic reverse. I am sure a more artistic person could do better, but
> I think that the idea comes through.
>
>
> This thread shows that there ARE people outside Nova Roma who would be
> interested in our coins. We should use this as a way to establish the
> idea of Nova Roma more firmly outside of our Republic.
>
> I would like to see different groups within Nova Roma come forward to
> serve the Republic by acting as sponsors of new coin issues. The
> sponsoring group would raise the initial cash and create the obverse
> design, all with the permission and approval of the Senate, of course.
> In this way these groups would help the State and gain honor for
> themselves.
>
> If this idea takes hold, and if the permission of the Senate could be
> obtained, I would call for all gentes, familia and citizens who take
> Apollo as a patron to proceed along the lines indicated above to
> produce a Nova Roma coin in honor of Apollo. I feel that this coin
> would generate interest from groups outside of Nova Roma, thus helping
> the treasury by bringing cash into our economy.
>
> optime valete
>
> M. Gladius Agricola
>
>
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Salvete
I've been following this along and I have an idea to toss in also. Being that the die are two sided, we keep the generic reverse side as was stated, and then, which also has been stated, we change the face side every so often and then we take nominations for the face side or I mean a vote on who's idea is best. Then nominations could come from certain magistrates or officials and then they could be partly responsible for getting the job done. Sharing costs in a way. But his part should be raised through fund raising of some sort, maybe provincial?
If people into collecting coins are enjoying Nova Roma coins then we definitely have a market.
I'm not sure how historical this idea is, but I was trying to remain inbounds of that also.
Valete,
Servia Iulia


Flavius Vedius Germanicus <germanicus@...> wrote:
Salvete,

I can confirm that there is a market outside Nova Roma for our coins. I
have personally sold coins from my private stock from our first minting
to coin collectors. Especially those interested in micropatrology.

I have not been following the discussion, I am sorry to say, but I would
also point out that some manner of distinction between issues should be
made (i.e., it should be able to be told if a coin was from the first
minting or the second). It would not do to have an exact duplicate of
the first coin reissued en masse without some sort of way of telling the
one from the other.

And I would point out that our coins have value within the larger Pagan
community in terms of objects of sacrifice. They have been used more
than once in that capacity, to my personal knowledge, and great delight.

Valete,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae

Marcus Gladius Agricola wrote:

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Manius Constantinus Serapio"
> <mcserapio@y...> wrote:
> > AVETE OMNES
> >
>
> [matter deleted]
>
> >
> > Currently Nova Roma already owns the old die, which would allow us
> > to save the expense for a new one. The fact is, we'd have to create
> > 5000 coins as a minimum all the same, i.e. $1030. Are there so many
> > people eager to buy NR coins that would justify such an expense?
>
> [matter deleted]
>
>
> salve amice Serapio et salvete omnes
>
> Late last year we had a discussion within Gens Gladia on this topic.
> It was suggested that if we create a "generic reverse (back)" die we
> could occasionally create new obverse (front) dies, thus cutting the
> cost of new issues nearly in half.
>
> I have created a folder in the Photos section called "Gens Gladia" and
> I have uploaded an image there illustrating my point. I used a paint
> program to alter the image from the main website (sorry) to create a
> generic reverse. I am sure a more artistic person could do better, but
> I think that the idea comes through.
>
>
> This thread shows that there ARE people outside Nova Roma who would be
> interested in our coins. We should use this as a way to establish the
> idea of Nova Roma more firmly outside of our Republic.
>
> I would like to see different groups within Nova Roma come forward to
> serve the Republic by acting as sponsors of new coin issues. The
> sponsoring group would raise the initial cash and create the obverse
> design, all with the permission and approval of the Senate, of course.
> In this way these groups would help the State and gain honor for
> themselves.
>
> If this idea takes hold, and if the permission of the Senate could be
> obtained, I would call for all gentes, familia and citizens who take
> Apollo as a patron to proceed along the lines indicated above to
> produce a Nova Roma coin in honor of Apollo. I feel that this coin
> would generate interest from groups outside of Nova Roma, thus helping
> the treasury by bringing cash into our economy.
>
> optime valete
>
> M. Gladius Agricola
>
>
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In a message dated 6/9/2005 11:46:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
metelliana@... writes:
I've been following this along and I have an idea to toss in also. Being
that the die are two sided, we keep the generic reverse side as was stated, and
then, which also has been stated, we change the face side every so often and
then we take nominations for the face side or I mean a vote on who's idea is
best. Then nominations could come from certain magistrates or officials and then
they could be partly responsible for getting the job done. Sharing costs in
a way. But his part should be raised through fund raising of some sort, maybe
provincial?
Salvete
As both Cassius and Vedius knows, I wanted to have a new issue struck to
cememorate
each consulship, I was willing to foot the bill for my Consulship, but
nothing ever came of it.

Nova Roma coins have been sold on e-bay, in coin shops and even in Italy I
understand.

When I returned from Maryland with several rolls, one roll was bought off me
by the local coin collection society, to given to its members as prizes.

I understand that a recent coin flip to decide the order of the Classical
debate at Uni of Chicago used our coin to carry out the flip.

At least we have already made some impact on the world community, and if we
vanish tomorrow at least some physical evidence remains.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete omnes,

I was thinking about the coin issue and I thought we could set up a
new Sodalitas/Societas just for the minting and designing of coins.
Or perhaps extend it to making merchandise for Nova Roma. All this
under supervision of an elected/appointed magistrate who has the
authority to use the Nova Roma flag for commercial use...
Of course any major decisions (concerning funds etc.) should be
approved by the Senate. I think this is a good idea because at the
moment we don't have a group of people specially assigned to do this
sort of thing... (at least not that I know of)

vale

Publius Minius Mercator
Scriba Prolegati Regionis Belgicae Germanicae

G. Equitius Cato P. Minio Mercato quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve et salvete.

It seems to me as if we actually *do* have a sodalitas, of a sort,
already in place to handle matters like this one: the quaestors.
Historically the quaestors were in charge of the oversight of public
monies, and I think this idea not only dovetails nicely with the
historic financial foundations of the office but also would give those
quaestors not actively involved in the tax-collection process a
significant job to do.

Vale et valete,

Cato



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "publiusminius" <groentje123@g...>
wrote:

> Salvete omnes,
>
> I was thinking about the coin issue and I thought we could set up a
> new Sodalitas/Societas just for the minting and designing of coins.
> Or perhaps extend it to making merchandise for Nova Roma. All this
> under supervision of an elected/appointed magistrate who has the
> authority to use the Nova Roma flag for commercial use...
> Of course any major decisions (concerning funds etc.) should be
> approved by the Senate. I think this is a good idea because at the
> moment we don't have a group of people specially assigned to do this
> sort of thing... (at least not that I know of)
>
> vale
>
> Publius Minius Mercator
> Scriba Prolegati Regionis Belgicae Germanicae

Gaius Modius Athanasius Q. Fabio Maximo salutem dicit

I think having a coin to commemorate each consulship is a great idea. As
long as enough money is generated from coin sales to justify the cost of the
order then I don't see a problem with it. Let the consuls promote it, its
their commemorative coin.

I think its great to see our coins travel around the world, and for them to
be used in the manner that they are.


In a message dated 6/10/2005 4:07:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
QFabiusMaxmi@... writes:

Salvete
As both Cassius and Vedius knows, I wanted to have a new issue struck to
cememorate
each consulship, I was willing to foot the bill for my Consulship, but
nothing ever came of it.

Nova Roma coins have been sold on e-bay, in coin shops and even in Italy I
understand.

When I returned from Maryland with several rolls, one roll was bought off me
by the local coin collection society, to given to its members as prizes.

I understand that a recent coin flip to decide the order of the Classical
debate at Uni of Chicago used our coin to carry out the flip.

At least we have already made some impact on the world community, and if we
vanish tomorrow at least some physical evidence remains.

Valete
Q. Fabius Maximus






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

salve Cato et salvete omnes,

I agree regarding the quaestors. I am opposed to the notion of another
sodalitas because as I mentioned in my previous post I think that
people or groups should come forward of their own accord to serve the
state and gain honor for themselves. Having an established group with
this purpose would tend to deter this kind of healthy initiative.
Better for us all to compete for honors and let the Senate take a care
for regulating all this lest the best interests of the state be forgotten.


To flesh out my suggestion a bit let me somewhat repeat:

1. Design a reverse and have a die cut. This would be a common reverse
and would be at the expense of the treasury.

2. Individuals or groups raise money, design an obverse and with
permission of the Senate (earning the "SC") cut an obverse die.

3. Funds for striking an issue could come from the treasury, the
originating group or both, permission of the Senate again always
needed. How the resulting coins are distributed would be determined by
agreement. For example, if I partially fund an issue I might be given
a number of coins in return, which I might then use to pay my taxes.
Let us devote some thought to this, as I suspect that there is
possibility here for benefit all around.

optime valete

M. Gladius Agricola

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@y...>
wrote:

> G. Equitius Cato P. Minio Mercato quiritibusque S.P.D.
>
> Salve et salvete.
>
> It seems to me as if we actually *do* have a sodalitas, of a sort,
> already in place to handle matters like this one: the quaestors.
> Historically the quaestors were in charge of the oversight of public
> monies, and I think this idea not only dovetails nicely with the
> historic financial foundations of the office but also would give those
> quaestors not actively involved in the tax-collection process a
> significant job to do.
>
> Vale et valete,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "publiusminius" <groentje123@g...>
> wrote:
> > Salvete omnes,
> >
> > I was thinking about the coin issue and I thought we could set up a
> > new Sodalitas/Societas just for the minting and designing of coins.

[matter deleted]

> >
> > Publius Minius Mercator
> > Scriba Prolegati Regionis Belgicae Germanicae

The issue of coins is an issue that affects all of Nova Romans. Regularly
issued coins help to send a picture that Nova Roma is an active and vibrant
organization, that continues to flourish outside of the virtual world. The
issuing of coins just *might* be a nitch for Nova Roma, as it has clearly been
shown that there is an interest in the coins outside of Nova Roma.

The problem is organization, administration, and development.

With new magistrates each year, it is difficult to organize long term
projects, and sustain them. But the coin issue is a very worthy endeavor, and one
that I think should be discussed not only in this forum, but also within the
senate.

I would be interested in hearing about what our senators have to say about
the issue of coins.

Valete;

Gaius Modius Athanasius
Pontifex, Flamen Pomonalis, Augur

In a message dated 6/10/2005 7:40:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
whogue@... writes:

salve Cato et salvete omnes,

I agree regarding the quaestors. I am opposed to the notion of another
sodalitas because as I mentioned in my previous post I think that
people or groups should come forward of their own accord to serve the
state and gain honor for themselves. Having an established group with
this purpose would tend to deter this kind of healthy initiative.
Better for us all to compete for honors and let the Senate take a care
for regulating all this lest the best interests of the state be forgotten.


To flesh out my suggestion a bit let me somewhat repeat:

1. Design a reverse and have a die cut. This would be a common reverse
and would be at the expense of the treasury.

2. Individuals or groups raise money, design an obverse and with
permission of the Senate (earning the "SC") cut an obverse die.

3. Funds for striking an issue could come from the treasury, the
originating group or both, permission of the Senate again always
needed. How the resulting coins are distributed would be determined by
agreement. For example, if I partially fund an issue I might be given
a number of coins in return, which I might then use to pay my taxes.
Let us devote some thought to this, as I suspect that there is
possibility here for benefit all around.

optime valete

M. Gladius Agricola






[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salvete quirites, et salve Cato,

gaiusequitiuscato wrote:

> It seems to me as if we actually *do* have a sodalitas, of a sort,
> already in place to handle matters like this one: the quaestors.
> Historically the quaestors were in charge of the oversight of public
> monies, [...]

Yes, they were. But the Quaestors didn't oversee the minting of coins.
That task was given to three minor magistrates of the vigintisexviri.
This is not to say that Nova Roman Quaestors couldn't do this, but we
ought not to claim that it's a historical duty.

Valete,

-- Marinus

Salve:

In re observations of Julius Sabinus and P. Memmius Albucius:

It is nice to see there is an interest in possible future coinage for Nova
Roma. As to comments about the type of coinage researched and studied by
the USNS, the one commonality of rebel, secessionist, fantasy state,
private organization, alternative monetary system, and a few other
classifications I omitted for brevity are that these sources are often
overlooked by mainstream numismatic dealers and publishers.

The Standard Catalog of World Coins, which is a bible publication in World
Coins, and is turned out each year by Krause Publications, and editor Colin
Bruce, a member of USNS, lists coins of recognised nation-states (or
extinct recognised states). From time to time regions of states, in
rebellion or acknowledged to have control of an area, may find there way
into the Standard Catalog. However, generally they are excluded. This left
a bit of a hole in numismatic coverage.

In the 80s Colin and Krause decided to come out with a supplamental
catalog, Unusual World Coins (the 3rd ed. published 1991, the 4th ed. due
out this summer). Often called UWC, or simply "Bruce", this catalog covers
a fairly large variety of coin sources, including some I mentioned. I
cannot say we at USNS have listed Nova Roma as an "Unrecognised State" as
has been suggested. This is the name of our organizaion, but as with the
Bruce catalog, we study coins of private foundations, and a very large
variety of sources. In any case we try as much as possible to restrict our
study to the coins themselves than making what are in frequent cases very
subjective judgements about the classification of the source.

A simple rule of thumb is that if an issue is private, has some degree of
worldwide popularity, and has been ignored by mainstream dealers and pubs.
we are likely interested in considering it as subject for our research,
study and possible listing in our under construction online coin library.
The Nova Roma coins produced to date have already made our radar screen, as
they have of Krause Publications.

I have noted a couple posts suggesting consideration of a non-USA source
for minting coinage. One citizen suggested Dacia. I have a good friend, Mr.
Adrian Ataman of NUMMUS srl in Bucuresti who is a numismatic publisher
there. No doubt the coins can be produced at high quality and reasonable
costs. One factor to take into consideration is shipping and insurance. The
expenditures can get fairly high, especially if moving large bulk shipments
around the world. Customs expenses also can get a bit high, and quite a
nuissance. Many dealers ship coins declared as "tokens' to slip around
regulations, and customs duties. But, coins are often underinsured as such.

If the destination of the coins is primarily within USA, then perhaps
limiting expenses might compel a USA source. I do recommend a good deal of
shopping around however on the die price. The current figure being given
seems a tad high. As for quality and cost being parallel, maybe to an
extent. By clicking on the Quality Coins site, www.wemakecoins.com, one can
see that many good quality and innovative styles, metals and techniques
which can be used. In nearly all cases the die prices are $200 to 300 for
both sides.

The idea of retaining the same obverse pattern, and simply changing the
reverse is excellent. As for a run needing to be in the thousands, maybe it
is because I am new to Nova Roma that I am unclear on why this is needed.
Would limited runs of 100 to 200 be a problem or undesireable? It is true
that the coins would be worth over $2 to 5 each, even assuming a smaller
size and base metal, and may inhibit the spreading about of the coins in a
freely libertine fashion.

One budgetary idea which may be of interest to Consuls is the offering of
advanced orders. This conecpt seems to be gaining in popularity in
numismatic circles, as many collectors are often now willing to place
orders for coins not yet produced.

Stephen Vogelsang

> > [Original Message]
> > From: publiusalbucius <albucius_aoe@...>
> > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: 6/9/2005 9:15:20 AM
> > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nova Roma coins and unrecognized states
> >
> > P. Memmius Albucius omnibus s.d.
> >
> > S.V.G.E.R.
> >
> > I have appreciated Mr. Vogelsang's post.
> >
> > I have also noted that his numismatic organization considers Nova Roma
> > as a "Unrecognised State(s)", beside "regional, rebel, fantasy and
> > secessionist" organizations.
> >
> > I cannot decide how to consider the closeness of these kinds
> > of "moviments", the fantasy ones appearing between the rebel ones and
> > the secessionist ones...
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > P. Memmius Albucius
> > Tribunus Plebis
> > Legatus Lugdunensis Galliae
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >

Salvete,

I have been following this thread with great interest and the
suggestion to pre-order coins to raise the necessary funds is
excellent. I for one would not hesitate to buy a bunch each year with
the different name of the consules: The perfect collector's item and
a damn good tangible achievement.
In fact I would also be ready to buy coins minted with the name of
previous consuls for continuity's sake.
I will ceratinly keep an eye on this thread...

CMLA

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Vogelsang"
<knossos134@e...> wrote:

>
>
> Salve:
>
> In re observations of Julius Sabinus and P. Memmius Albucius:
>
> It is nice to see there is an interest in possible future coinage

for Nova

> Roma. As to comments about the type of coinage researched and

studied by

> the USNS, the one commonality of rebel, secessionist, fantasy state,
> private organization, alternative monetary system, and a few other
> classifications I omitted for brevity are that these sources are

often

> overlooked by mainstream numismatic dealers and publishers.
>
> The Standard Catalog of World Coins, which is a bible publication

in World

> Coins, and is turned out each year by Krause Publications, and

editor Colin

> Bruce, a member of USNS, lists coins of recognised nation-states (or
> extinct recognised states). From time to time regions of states, in
> rebellion or acknowledged to have control of an area, may find

there way

> into the Standard Catalog. However, generally they are excluded.

This left

> a bit of a hole in numismatic coverage.
>
> In the 80s Colin and Krause decided to come out with a supplamental
> catalog, Unusual World Coins (the 3rd ed. published 1991, the 4th

ed. due

> out this summer). Often called UWC, or simply "Bruce", this catalog

covers

> a fairly large variety of coin sources, including some I mentioned.

I

> cannot say we at USNS have listed Nova Roma as an "Unrecognised

State" as

> has been suggested. This is the name of our organizaion, but as

with the

> Bruce catalog, we study coins of private foundations, and a very

large

> variety of sources. In any case we try as much as possible to

restrict our

> study to the coins themselves than making what are in frequent

cases very

> subjective judgements about the classification of the source.
>
> A simple rule of thumb is that if an issue is private, has some

degree of

> worldwide popularity, and has been ignored by mainstream dealers

and pubs.

> we are likely interested in considering it as subject for our

research,

> study and possible listing in our under construction online coin

library.

> The Nova Roma coins produced to date have already made our radar

screen, as

> they have of Krause Publications.
>
> I have noted a couple posts suggesting consideration of a non-USA

source

> for minting coinage. One citizen suggested Dacia. I have a good

friend, Mr.

> Adrian Ataman of NUMMUS srl in Bucuresti who is a numismatic

publisher

> there. No doubt the coins can be produced at high quality and

reasonable

> costs. One factor to take into consideration is shipping and

insurance. The

> expenditures can get fairly high, especially if moving large bulk

shipments

> around the world. Customs expenses also can get a bit high, and

quite a

> nuissance. Many dealers ship coins declared as "tokens' to slip

around

> regulations, and customs duties. But, coins are often underinsured

as such.

>
> If the destination of the coins is primarily within USA, then

perhaps

> limiting expenses might compel a USA source. I do recommend a good

deal of

> shopping around however on the die price. The current figure being

given

> seems a tad high. As for quality and cost being parallel, maybe to

an

> extent. By clicking on the Quality Coins site, www.wemakecoins.com,

one can

> see that many good quality and innovative styles, metals and

techniques

> which can be used. In nearly all cases the die prices are $200 to

300 for

> both sides.
>
> The idea of retaining the same obverse pattern, and simply changing

the

> reverse is excellent. As for a run needing to be in the thousands,

maybe it

> is because I am new to Nova Roma that I am unclear on why this is

needed.

> Would limited runs of 100 to 200 be a problem or undesireable? It

is true

> that the coins would be worth over $2 to 5 each, even assuming a

smaller

> size and base metal, and may inhibit the spreading about of the

coins in a

> freely libertine fashion.
>
> One budgetary idea which may be of interest to Consuls is the

offering of

> advanced orders. This conecpt seems to be gaining in popularity in
> numismatic circles, as many collectors are often now willing to

place

> orders for coins not yet produced.
>
> Stephen Vogelsang
>
>
> > > [Original Message]
> > > From: publiusalbucius <albucius_aoe@h...>
> > > To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Date: 6/9/2005 9:15:20 AM
> > > Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nova Roma coins and unrecognized states
> > >
> > > P. Memmius Albucius omnibus s.d.
> > >
> > > S.V.G.E.R.
> > >
> > > I have appreciated Mr. Vogelsang's post.
> > >
> > > I have also noted that his numismatic organization considers

Nova Roma

> > > as a "Unrecognised State(s)", beside "regional, rebel, fantasy

and

> > > secessionist" organizations.
> > >
> > > I cannot decide how to consider the closeness of these kinds
> > > of "moviments", the fantasy ones appearing between the rebel

ones and

> > > the secessionist ones...
> > >
> > > Valete,
> > >
> > > P. Memmius Albucius
> > > Tribunus Plebis
> > > Legatus Lugdunensis Galliae
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >

Salvete;

This is a great idea.

There could, in theory, be more than one coin within Nova Roma. A standard
coin, as we have now, and a commemorative coin issued when new consuls take
over. The yearly coin could be with a smaller issue and would cost more per
coin. This would be a constant influx of NEW items into the world, and help
get Nova Roma out there.

Valete;

Gaius Modius Athanasius

In a message dated 6/10/2005 9:08:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
knossos134@... writes:

The idea of retaining the same obverse pattern, and simply changing the
reverse is excellent. As for a run needing to be in the thousands, maybe it
is because I am new to Nova Roma that I am unclear on why this is needed.
Would limited runs of 100 to 200 be a problem or undesireable? It is true
that the coins would be worth over $2 to 5 each, even assuming a smaller
size and base metal, and may inhibit the spreading about of the coins in a
freely libertine fashion.





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Vogelsang"
<knossos134@e...> wrote:

>
>

[interesting matter deleted]

>
> The idea of retaining the same obverse pattern, and simply changing the
> reverse is excellent.


> Stephen Vogelsang
>
>

Greetings to you Sir, and to All,

For the benefit of anyone who needs it Obverse=front and Reverse=back.

Actually, I suggested retaining the same REverse and changing the
OBverse. However I can see that this coin idea is growing, maybe
larger than I anticipated.

I can see that if there is a consular issue, it would be well to have
a common Nova Roma OBverse and the changing consular design on the
REverse.

I had been thinking more along the lines of a commemorative series,
issued maybe every few years with a common REverse and a different
dedication on the OBverse. However, it may be my lack of experience in
the field talking here. Would doing it this way seem odd to the
collectors out there? Although as I write this I can see that in the
case of the coins I have been imagining the distinction obverse vs.
reverse is an artificial one. Could you please explain the norms for
obverse and reverse?

I have been hoping to help sponsor an Apollo coin, and I had the idea
that the next one should be a Vesta.

In all this I hope we don't go TOO far and flood the market with Nova
Roma coins!


Hoping you are all well and in the favor of the Deathless Ones.

M. Gladius Agricola

Valetudo quod fortuna,

On 6/10/05, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
> Salvete quirites, et salve Cato,
>
> Yes, they were. But the Quaestors didn't oversee the minting of coins.
> That task was given to three minor magistrates of the vigintisexviri.
> This is not to say that Nova Roman Quaestors couldn't do this, but we
> ought not to claim that it's a historical duty.
>
> Valete,
>
> -- Marinus
>

A board of mint overseers could be created: 3 vigntisexviri, sitting
for three years terms?

Institutional memory and integrity could be maintained by having the
first appointment, selection or election be: 1 magistrate - 1 year
term, 2nd - 2 years, 3rd - 3 years, 3 years terms thereafter.

My further opinion would be to allow such magistrates to succeed
themselves, especially when dedication and diligigence has been shown
in the performance of their duty to the People of our New City.

=========================================
In amicitia quod fides -
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias et Lictor

Religio Septentrionalis - Poet

Dominus Sodalitas Coquuorum et Cerevisiae Coctorum
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Sodalis_Coq_et_Coq/

--
Post scriptum: Yes, I do still live. Been "in the countryside"
dealing with some personal matters of health and such.

Salvete,
I like the idea of having one unchanging side and a side that can be reprinted representing whom or what ever we choose. About having the consuls on them, I'm not sure. As I believe someone else already stated, they did not normally have their image on coins until after death. I'm not totally sure about this, so if I'm wrong, please let me know. (I'd hate to have to knock off the consuls so we could mint their image lol) But I see nothing wrong with having consuls decide what depiction to put there. For the benefit of Quaestors with not much to do, they could take care of the business end. I also don't believe it should be completely up to the treasury to take the burden. I would like to see the money raised in some manner--or at least partially. This could work as a double edge. My idea being to fund raise and at the same time fund raising could be used for recruiting new citizens. I like the ideas if having different deities represented though we could also put images of
our ancestors.
Valete,
Servia Iulia

Marcus Gladius Agricola <whogue@...> wrote:
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen Vogelsang"
<knossos134@e...> wrote:

>
>

[interesting matter deleted]

>
> The idea of retaining the same obverse pattern, and simply changing the
> reverse is excellent.


> Stephen Vogelsang
>
>

Greetings to you Sir, and to All,

For the benefit of anyone who needs it Obverse=front and Reverse=back.

Actually, I suggested retaining the same REverse and changing the
OBverse. However I can see that this coin idea is growing, maybe
larger than I anticipated.

I can see that if there is a consular issue, it would be well to have
a common Nova Roma OBverse and the changing consular design on the
REverse.

I had been thinking more along the lines of a commemorative series,
issued maybe every few years with a common REverse and a different
dedication on the OBverse. However, it may be my lack of experience in
the field talking here. Would doing it this way seem odd to the
collectors out there? Although as I write this I can see that in the
case of the coins I have been imagining the distinction obverse vs.
reverse is an artificial one. Could you please explain the norms for
obverse and reverse?

I have been hoping to help sponsor an Apollo coin, and I had the idea
that the next one should be a Vesta.

In all this I hope we don't go TOO far and flood the market with Nova
Roma coins!


Hoping you are all well and in the favor of the Deathless Ones.

M. Gladius Agricola






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G. Equitius Cato Gn. Equitio Marino quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve et salvete!

oooops. I was just thinking, you know, "Quaestors = taxes", "taxes =
coinage", "coinage = finance", that kind of thing. I stand
corrected, but think it might be an idea worth considering as far as
quaestorial duties go.

Vale et valete,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@c...>
wrote:

> Salvete quirites, et salve Cato,
>
> gaiusequitiuscato wrote:
>
> > It seems to me as if we actually *do* have a sodalitas, of a sort,
> > already in place to handle matters like this one: the quaestors.
> > Historically the quaestors were in charge of the oversight of public
> > monies, [...]
>
> Yes, they were. But the Quaestors didn't oversee the minting of coins.
> That task was given to three minor magistrates of the vigintisexviri.
> This is not to say that Nova Roman Quaestors couldn't do this, but we
> ought not to claim that it's a historical duty.
>
> Valete,
>
> -- Marinus

Salve Cai Saturnine

Already you have taught him the gesture of a Roman orator, "Hoc
agete!" And his look of determination, staring out into the crowd.
I suspect I shall seem in the Forum someday. Deos ego omnis ut
fortunas sint precor.

Vale optime
M Horatius Piscinus


Maiores vestri omnum magnarum rerum et principia exoris a Dis sunt
et finem statuerunt. (Livy 45.39.10)



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Caius Curius Saturninus
<c.curius@a...> wrote:

> Salvete omnes,
>
> Sometimes doing Roman things can be fun and easy, and they don't

have

> to be serious all the time :-)
>
> Here is an example, a short citation from Horatius' Epistulae,

printer

> and special paper from which the print can be ironed onto a

textile and

> little baby is all you need to do this...
>
> http://www.insulaumbra.com/markus/marcus.html
>
> And yes, we tried to take a photo where he smiles, as he does it

so

> often, but he always is so amazed by camera that forgets to

smile :-)

>
> Valete,
>
> Caius Curius Saturninus
>
> Tribunus Plebis
> Propraetor Provinciae Thules
> Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
>
> e-mail: c.curius@a...
> www.academiathules.org
> gsm: +358-50-3315279
> fax: +358-9-8754751

Salve,

this is a very nice site, thank you. Our sons will like it for sure. Could it be a good
idea of what we could do in NR?

Valete,

Scipio

--- Titus Iulius Sabinus <iulius_sabinus@...> wrote:

> SALVE APPOLONI SCIPIO !
>
> In april, Senior Consul, Apulus Caesar, presented a beautiful site
> for children. I remember about it today, and I belive, it'll be
> instructive and amazing for your sons.
>
> http://matilde.netribe.it/pompei/uk/home.htm
>
> OPTIME VALE,
> IVL SABINVS
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Sextus Apollonius Scipio
> <scipio_apollonius@y...> wrote:
> > Salvete,
> >
> > as our familia has been registered, our three little boys (9,6 and
> 4) would like to
> > become Roman citizens. I would like to know if there is already a
> Sodalitas that could
> > give some materials for our young ones to get involved and learn.
> > Thank you.
> >
> > Valete,
> >
> > Sextus Apollonius Scipio
> >
> >
> >
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Salve Luci Fideli, et salvete omnes,

This is a fascinating article. I'm looking forward to reading the results of
this study when they are released.

Vale,

-- Marinus

lucius_fidelius <nexus909@...> writes:

> Research To Investigate Links Between Ancient Greeks And Modern
> Science Fiction
>
> New research into the Ancient Greeks shows their knowledge of travel
> inspired early forms of fantasy and science fiction writing.
>
> There is a long tradition of fantasy in Greek literature that begins
> with Odysseus' fantastic travels in Homer's Odyssey. Dr Karen Ni-
> Mheallaigh, at the University of Liverpool's School of Archaeology,
> Classics and Egyptology, is exploring fantasy in ancient literature,
> examining theories of modern science fiction writing and how these
> can be applied to texts from the ancient world.
>
> Dr Ni-Mheallaigh is looking at the work of 2nd century AD writer,
> Lucian of Samosata, who wrote True Histories, a travel narrative that
> includes an account of a trip to the moon and interstellar warfare.
> Antihanes of Berge - who wrote about his travels in the far north of
> Europe, where it was so cold that conversations 'froze in the air,' -
> will also be examined, as well as the writer Herodotus who wrote
> about 'flying snakes; and 'giant gold-digging ants' in India.
>
> Dr Ni-Mheallaigh explains: "Fantasy writing in the ancient world is
> still relatively unexplored from a literary perspective. What is so
> interesting about these fantastical journeys is that many of them are
> written in the form of truthful travel logs and historical texts. The
> Greeks had a fascination with the exotic and other worlds and some
> writers travelled to the north and Far East to satisfy their
> intrigue. The cultures they found there were so different from their
> own that they were inspired to fantasize and speculate about even
> more remote and exotic worlds.
>
> "The Greeks seemed to have had an anxiety about writing pure fiction,
> and so writers who were notorious for their 'tall' tales -- such as
> Ctesias, Antiphanes and Megathenes - would write about their
> adventures in the form of travel logs, or back up their findings with
> pseudo-documentary evidence, such as 'rediscovered' texts or invented
> inscriptions.
>
> "It was Lucian who was the first to admit that everything he wrote
> was untrue and could never occur. His writing-style is however
> calculated to convince his reader that all his adventures are in fact
> true. His writing plays a very clever game with the reader's mind,
> and, like all science fiction and fantasy writing today, allows the
> reader to ponder, what if ... ?
>
>
> http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/06/050607010820.htm
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Outstanding suggestion.
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
<AthanasiosofSpfd@...> wrote:

>
> Salvete;
>
> This is a great idea.
>
> There could, in theory, be more than one coin within

Nova Roma. A standard

> coin, as we have now, and a commemorative coin

issued when new consuls take

> over. The yearly coin could be with a smaller issue

and would cost more per

> coin. This would be a constant influx of NEW items

into the world, and help

> get Nova Roma out there.
>
> Valete;
>
> Gaius Modius Athanasius
>
> In a message dated 6/10/2005 9:08:04 A.M. Eastern

Standard Time,

> knossos134@... writes:
>
> The idea of retaining the same obverse pattern, and

simply changing the

> reverse is excellent. As for a run needing to be in

the thousands, maybe it

> is because I am new to Nova Roma that I am unclear

on why this is needed.

> Would limited runs of 100 to 200 be a problem or

undesireable? It is true

> that the coins would be worth over $2 to 5 each,

even assuming a smaller

> size and base metal, and may inhibit the spreading

about of the coins in a

> freely libertine fashion.
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been

removed]

>

S P Q R

Fidelis Ad Mortem.

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Salvete,

After an absence of a few weeks due to the server move Nova Roma
chat is back. You may log in to access Nova Roma Chat at
http://www.novaroma.org/bin/login

If you don't remember your password there is a complete set of
instructions on how to reset your password.

A few ground rules:

1. No cussing
2. No flaming
3. Reports of abuse of rules #1 and #2 could result in my deciding
to remove the chat feature from the website.

There is the capacity to add more chat rooms if there is enough
demand. (ie a Spanish chat room ect.)

Also if you have a pop-up blocker you may need to disable it to
access the chat screen.

Valete,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Magister Aranearius

Salve

Great news.
Perhaps we can revive the old habit of the periodic
maket day chat.

Vale
M.Arminius

--- quintuscassiuscalvus <richmal@...>
escreveu:

> Salvete,
>
> After an absence of a few weeks due to the server
> move Nova Roma
> chat is back. You may log in to access Nova Roma
> Chat at
> http://www.novaroma.org/bin/login
>
> If you don't remember your password there is a
> complete set of
> instructions on how to reset your password.
>
> A few ground rules:
>
> 1. No cussing
> 2. No flaming
> 3. Reports of abuse of rules #1 and #2 could result
> in my deciding
> to remove the chat feature from the website.
>
> There is the capacity to add more chat rooms if
> there is enough
> demand. (ie a Spanish chat room ect.)
>
> Also if you have a pop-up blocker you may need to
> disable it to
> access the chat screen.
>
> Valete,
>
> Q. Cassius Calvus
> Magister Aranearius

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Salvete Omnes,

I just wanted to add to this the idea of minting a coin for each family,
then perhaps a coin to commemorate each time a new office is awarded...has that
been considered?
Just a thought

Gregorius

nemo minus homine libere liber


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A. Apollonius Stephano Ullerio omnibusque sal.

> A board of mint overseers could be created: 3
> vigntisexviri, sitting
> for three years terms?

If the senate and people wish to give serious
consideration to minting new coins, the obvious step
is, as you suggest, to elect tresviri monetales to
undertake the work. It would require a short enabling
lex.

As for their term of office, the tresviri monetales
held office for only one year, and there is no very
good reason to depart from this traditional rule. What
long-term planning is needed can be provided by the
senate in its role as supervisor of financial policy.



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One of the things we can represent on one side of the coins is the map or symbol of each province of Nova Roma.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Salvete Omnes,

I just wanted to add to this the idea of minting a coin for each family,
then perhaps a coin to commemorate each time a new office is awarded...has that
been considered?
Just a thought

Gregorius

nemo minus homine libere liber


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salvete omnes,

I want to thank my fellow citizens for contributing ideas to this
thread . At this time I think it is getting ahead of ourselves to
imagine a whole series of coins. Let us rather think of ways to serve
Nova Roma by funding one or two issues of coins. It is my
understanding that this would be in keeping with the practice of the
Republic.

In my opinion there is no way that the likenesses of living persons
should appear on the coins. It is natural that the names of living
persons or some other similar indication should appear when they are
responsible for production of the coins. If for example the Consuls
perform an outstanding service then that service could be commemorated
on a coin with their names. It would be in their interest to fund this
issue at least partially as it would contribute to their prestige and
keep the memory of their good work alive. I think that this is also in
keeping with Roman practice.



Patres Conscripti, nunc quid vobis facere placet? If it is pleasing to
the Senate to proceed I would suggest that debate proceed there so
that an item might be placed in the budget for production of a single
die and the striking of some coins, the monies to be held until some
party comes forth with an acceptable companion design and additional
funding.



Should this come to pass, Fellow Citizens, please consider how you
might serve the State and gain glory by enabling the production of the
best coins at the lowest overall cost to the Treasury.


If it be pleasing to the Deathless Ones

M. Gladius Agricola

Salve Marce Gladi,

Marcus Gladius Agricola <whogue@...> writes:

> Patres Conscripti, nunc quid vobis facere placet?

Given the tax revenues collected to date, I think we have *just* enough in the
treasury to meet our already budgeted commitments. Remember that we still
have a census to conduct this year. So there's no money in the budget to
support this proposed venture.

In the past, I've bought quite a lot of NR coins. I'd do so again, if they
became available. But I don't think we have very many people who can finance
a run of coinage out of their own personal funds. However, a group might be
able to do so. I'd suggest that those interested in more coins get together
and determine how many are willing to commit to purchasing the coins if
struck. Then someone could approach Marcus Cassius Julianus about using the
existing coin die-set to strike a new minting. On the basis of this we could
establish a level of interest, and perhaps obtain a new coin design for next
year.

Vale,

-- Marinus

Salve,

Perhaps if we had a ballpark figure of the total cost of financing a
run, we could more easily figure out the feasibility of such a project.

Vale,

Flavius Vedius Germanicus
Pater Patriae

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus wrote:

> Salve Marce Gladi,
>
> Marcus Gladius Agricola <whogue@...> writes:
>
> > Patres Conscripti, nunc quid vobis facere placet?
>
> Given the tax revenues collected to date, I think we have *just*
> enough in the
> treasury to meet our already budgeted commitments. Remember that we still
> have a census to conduct this year. So there's no money in the budget to
> support this proposed venture.
>
> In the past, I've bought quite a lot of NR coins. I'd do so again, if
> they
> became available. But I don't think we have very many people who can
> finance
> a run of coinage out of their own personal funds. However, a group
> might be
> able to do so. I'd suggest that those interested in more coins get
> together
> and determine how many are willing to commit to purchasing the coins if
> struck. Then someone could approach Marcus Cassius Julianus about
> using the
> existing coin die-set to strike a new minting. On the basis of this
> we could
> establish a level of interest, and perhaps obtain a new coin design
> for next
> year.
>
> Vale,
>
> -- Marinus
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Salvete omnes

I would be willing to front some or, if need be, all of the money required to start minting coins this year. If anyone wants to start some form of a 'corporation' to fund the coins, please email me.

Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
Procurator, Canada Occidentalis

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
Salve Marce Gladi,

Marcus Gladius Agricola <whogue@...> writes:

> Patres Conscripti, nunc quid vobis facere placet?

Given the tax revenues collected to date, I think we have *just* enough in the
treasury to meet our already budgeted commitments. Remember that we still
have a census to conduct this year. So there's no money in the budget to
support this proposed venture.

In the past, I've bought quite a lot of NR coins. I'd do so again, if they
became available. But I don't think we have very many people who can finance
a run of coinage out of their own personal funds. However, a group might be
able to do so. I'd suggest that those interested in more coins get together
and determine how many are willing to commit to purchasing the coins if
struck. Then someone could approach Marcus Cassius Julianus about using the
existing coin die-set to strike a new minting. On the basis of this we could
establish a level of interest, and perhaps obtain a new coin design for next
year.

Vale,

-- Marinus


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salve o senator! et salvete omnes,

Respectfully Sir I would like to submit for your consideration some
reasons why the current dies should not be used. I concur with you
that we need not be in a hurry and there is no reason to expect that
this will all be done this year.

I call upon experts in the field of collecting to give an opinion on
re-issuing the "Declaratio" Sestertius. I fear that the value of the
coins to collectors would diminish if greater numbers are produced.
Further I fear that collectors would be confused by the dates. Dates,
I think, mean much to collectors, and the Declaratio coin is dated.
Perhaps the Declaratio issue could be held for the future. Perhaps a
ten year issue with an overstrike or a slight recutting of the reverse
die?

Again I call upon those well versed in this field (I am not) to render
an opinion on the value to collectors of seeing a second, distinct
coin from Nova Roma. With just the Declaratio Sestertius in
circulation that coin, and the idea of Nova Roma coinage, could be
dismissed as a curiosity. Would not a second coin raise the prestige
of Nova Roma coinage in general?

I do not mean to be troublesome by raising these points, and if I am
wrong, experts, please tell me so. I do hope that we can take a long
view of this very tangible issue. I further hope that by seeking input
of the populace, along the lines that I have suggested, we might find
that considerable savings might be found.


Thank you all for your time and consideration,

M. Gladius Agricola



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@c...>
wrote:

> Salve Marce Gladi,
>
> Marcus Gladius Agricola <whogue@a...> writes:
>
> > Patres Conscripti, nunc quid vobis facere placet?
>
> Given the tax revenues collected to date, I think we have *just*

enough in the

> treasury to meet our already budgeted commitments. Remember that we

still

> have a census to conduct this year. So there's no money in the

budget to

> support this proposed venture.
>
> In the past, I've bought quite a lot of NR coins. I'd do so again,

if they

> became available. But I don't think we have very many people who

can finance

> a run of coinage out of their own personal funds. However, a group

might be

> able to do so. I'd suggest that those interested in more coins get

together

> and determine how many are willing to commit to purchasing the coins if
> struck. Then someone could approach Marcus Cassius Julianus about

using the

> existing coin die-set to strike a new minting. On the basis of this

we could

> establish a level of interest, and perhaps obtain a new coin design

for next

> year.
>
> Vale,
>
> -- Marinus

Salve,

This may be a bad time but it wasn't that long ago I put a single Nova
Roman coin, out of the 60 I purchased when they first came out, up onto
eBay and it sold for $5.50 + $0.50 shipping & handling. I felt so bad
about it selling for 11 times the value backed by Nova Roma that I
included one of the 5 Nova Roma bumper stickers I had.

Another thing about not backing up Nova Roman coins... that would cause
Nova Roman money to not be currency but to be a collectible coin, such
as those released by NASCAR. Forgery of coins, while possible, is not
likely. A coin that uses silver plated zinc or copper will weigh a
great deal less than a coin made from silver.

Vale,

Iulius Titinius Antonius

Salve

Would it be possible for someone to tell us the company name and contact person where the first coins were made from?


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nova Roma coins and unrecognized states


Salvete omnes

I would be willing to front some or, if need be, all of the money required to start minting coins this year. If anyone wants to start some form of a 'corporation' to fund the coins, please email me.

Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
Procurator, Canada Occidentalis

Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...<mailto:gawne@...>> wrote:
Salve Marce Gladi,

Marcus Gladius Agricola <whogue@...> writes:

> Patres Conscripti, nunc quid vobis facere placet?

Given the tax revenues collected to date, I think we have *just* enough in the
treasury to meet our already budgeted commitments. Remember that we still
have a census to conduct this year. So there's no money in the budget to
support this proposed venture.

In the past, I've bought quite a lot of NR coins. I'd do so again, if they
became available. But I don't think we have very many people who can finance
a run of coinage out of their own personal funds. However, a group might be
able to do so. I'd suggest that those interested in more coins get together
and determine how many are willing to commit to purchasing the coins if
struck. Then someone could approach Marcus Cassius Julianus about using the
existing coin die-set to strike a new minting. On the basis of this we could
establish a level of interest, and perhaps obtain a new coin design for next
year.

Vale,

-- Marinus


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salve Iuli et salvete omnes,

You raise an interesting point, but please note that many other small
states issue currency full in the knowledge that much of it ends up in
the hands of collectors. This does not make it any less a currency. I
am thinking of a small state within Italy, for example, but others
exist. The same is true for postage stamps. Some governments raise
substantial funds by issuing lovely stamps that will often not be used
in exchange for postal services, yet they are stamps nonetheless.

Now of course it is true that these states take measures to prevent
fraudulent issues and we cannot afford these measures. That does open
the possibility of risk if the sesterces are backed up with hard
currency. Again I call upon others more knowledgable than myself, but
I think there are currencies that are not backed up in this way, yet
they are still currencies. Perhaps it is time to re-examine our policy
as there is evidence that market values are already being set for Nova
Roma sesterces.


Hoping that you all enjoy the favor of the Immortals,

M. Gladius Agricola

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, StarVVreck@a... wrote:

[matter deleted]

> Another thing about not backing up Nova Roman coins... that would cause
> Nova Roman money to not be currency but to be a collectible coin, such
> as those released by NASCAR.

[matter deleted]

> Vale,
>
> Iulius Titinius Antonius

I have not seen such emotion in the Republic since
Kerry lost to Dubya. LOL. We should act on this as the
people have spoken.
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
<canadaoccidentalis@...> wrote:

> Salvete omnes
>
> I would be willing to front some or, if need be, all

of the money required to start minting coins this
year. If anyone wants to start some form of a
'corporation' to fund the coins, please email me.

>
> Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
> Procurator, Canada Occidentalis
>
> Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@...> wrote:
> Salve Marce Gladi,
>
> Marcus Gladius Agricola <whogue@...>

writes:

>
> > Patres Conscripti, nunc quid vobis facere placet?
>
> Given the tax revenues collected to date, I think we

have *just* enough in the

> treasury to meet our already budgeted commitments.

Remember that we still

> have a census to conduct this year. So there's no

money in the budget to

> support this proposed venture.
>
> In the past, I've bought quite a lot of NR coins.

I'd do so again, if they

> became available. But I don't think we have very

many people who can finance

> a run of coinage out of their own personal funds.

However, a group might be

> able to do so. I'd suggest that those interested in

more coins get together

> and determine how many are willing to commit to

purchasing the coins if

> struck. Then someone could approach Marcus Cassius

Julianus about using the

> existing coin die-set to strike a new minting. On

the basis of this we could

> establish a level of interest, and perhaps obtain a

new coin design for next

> year.
>
> Vale,
>
> -- Marinus
>
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Theres another idea...bumper stickers. Why cant bumper
stickers or T-shirts be made and sold. They are both
cheaper to produce & would surely sell.
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <StarVVreck@...>
wrote:

> Salve,
>
> This may be a bad time but it wasn't that long ago I

put a single Nova

> Roman coin, out of the 60 I purchased when they

first came out, up onto

> eBay and it sold for $5.50 + $0.50 shipping &

handling. I felt so bad

> about it selling for 11 times the value backed by

Nova Roma that I

> included one of the 5 Nova Roma bumper stickers I

had.

>
> Another thing about not backing up Nova Roman

coins... that would cause

> Nova Roman money to not be currency but to be a

collectible coin, such

> as those released by NASCAR. Forgery of coins,

while possible, is not

> likely. A coin that uses silver plated zinc or

copper will weigh a

> great deal less than a coin made from silver.
>
> Vale,
>
> Iulius Titinius Antonius

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Why not have both? I like the idea of opening a Cafepress e-shop where
you can sell bumperstickers, T-shirts,... without having to make/buy
them in advance. They are made when someone orders them. I proposed
the idea to one of the consuls a while ago, but I haven't got an
answer yet...

vale

Publius Minius Mercator

more info: www.cafepress.com

PS: but I really think having new coins would be a great idea...

On 6/11/05, raymond fuentes <praefectus2324@...> wrote:
> Theres another idea...bumper stickers. Why cant bumper
> stickers or T-shirts be made and sold. They are both
> cheaper to produce & would surely sell.
> --- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <StarVVreck@...>
> wrote:
> > Salve,
> >
> > This may be a bad time but it wasn't that long ago I
> put a single Nova
> > Roman coin, out of the 60 I purchased when they
> first came out, up onto
> > eBay and it sold for $5.50 + $0.50 shipping &
> handling. I felt so bad
> > about it selling for 11 times the value backed by
> Nova Roma that I
> > included one of the 5 Nova Roma bumper stickers I
> had.
> >
> > Another thing about not backing up Nova Roman
> coins... that would cause
> > Nova Roman money to not be currency but to be a
> collectible coin, such
> > as those released by NASCAR. Forgery of coins,
> while possible, is not
> > likely. A coin that uses silver plated zinc or
> copper will weigh a
> > great deal less than a coin made from silver.
> >
> > Vale,
> >
> > Iulius Titinius Antonius
>
>
> S P Q R
>
> Fidelis Ad Mortem.
>
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> Roman Citizen
>
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I was thinking exactly the same thing. A red N R shirt
emblazoned w/ the res publicas seal- made to order? I
myself would order 6 just to workout and run!
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <groentje123@...>
wrote:

> Why not have both? I like the idea of opening a

Cafepress e-shop where

> you can sell bumperstickers, T-shirts,... without

having to make/buy

> them in advance. They are made when someone orders

them. I proposed

> the idea to one of the consuls a while ago, but I

haven't got an

> answer yet...
>
> vale
>
> Publius Minius Mercator
>
> more info: www.cafepress.com
>
> PS: but I really think having new coins would be a

great idea...

>
> On 6/11/05, raymond fuentes

<praefectus2324@...> wrote:

> > Theres another idea...bumper stickers. Why cant

bumper

> > stickers or T-shirts be made and sold. They are

both

> > cheaper to produce & would surely sell.
> > --- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com

<StarVVreck@...>

> > wrote:
> > > Salve,
> > >
> > > This may be a bad time but it wasn't that long

ago I

> > put a single Nova
> > > Roman coin, out of the 60 I purchased when they
> > first came out, up onto
> > > eBay and it sold for $5.50 + $0.50 shipping &
> > handling. I felt so bad
> > > about it selling for 11 times the value backed

by

> > Nova Roma that I
> > > included one of the 5 Nova Roma bumper stickers

I

> > had.
> > >
> > > Another thing about not backing up Nova Roman
> > coins... that would cause
> > > Nova Roman money to not be currency but to be a
> > collectible coin, such
> > > as those released by NASCAR. Forgery of coins,
> > while possible, is not
> > > likely. A coin that uses silver plated zinc or
> > copper will weigh a
> > > great deal less than a coin made from silver.
> > >
> > > Vale,
> > >
> > > Iulius Titinius Antonius
> >
> >
> > S P Q R
> >
> > Fidelis Ad Mortem.
> >
> > Marcvs Flavivs Fides
> > Roman Citizen
> >
> >
> >
> >

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