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I agree with this suggestion and restate my offer to front a part or all of the money required for the minting of coins this year.

Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa

Publius Minius Mercator <groentje123@...> wrote:
Salvete omnes,

maybe we should set up a fund where citizens can put money in now and
later get a refund (or perhaps can use the money to pay their future
taxes or buy coins themselves, that way no useless moneytransfers have
to be made) This way nova roma doesn't have to supply the initial
budget and can repay the citizens when the money from selling the
coins comes in... (by exempting them from taxes or giving them coins)

vale

Publius Minius Mercator

PS: I would be willing to put in as much as 50 euros (+- 61 dolars),
if everyone contributes this way we can reach the required ammount of
money... Approximately 25 people would have to 'donate' 60 dollars to
get an ammount of 1500 dollars

On 6/13/05, gaiuspopilliuslaenas <gaiuspopillius@...> wrote:
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> Just some notes on the practicality of any coin project.
>
> The original coins were funded and distributed by M. Cassius
> Julianus at his expense, and to his credit. They were wonderful,
> but, alas, they are all gone. It may seem strange after noting all
> the posts on the subject, but as I recall, demand for the coins was
> light. It was quite some time before M. Cassius recovered his
> investment.
>
> Someone posted, "The Senate just has to release the funds", but, as
> Gn. Equitius Marinus pointed out, there are no funds in this year's
> budget for a coin project. Nor are they likely to be in future
> years' budgets unless we drop exisitng projects, or increase
> revenues. Sadly, revenues are falling. Those who might be opposed
> to our tax/membership fee, but enthusiastic about items like a coin
> project might be able to see the irony.
>
> So, for there to be coins, there needs to be money. If a cive or
> group of cives would committ the funds, I am sure we could devise a
> way to distribute the coins. Until that happens, however, it is
> moot issue.
>
> Valete,
>
> G. Popillius Laenas
>
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Salve Q.Fabi Maxime,

I am sure you would be correct on "horse" instead of mule.
I heard this story from my mother instead of a history book.
Whilst helping a friend to design a house in the late 50's, the
carpenter took exception to a few of her ideas and said, "Jeez
broad, who are you to make suggestions? I've been doing this job for
18 years! My mom could be an intellectual snob sometimes saying
hmmm... ever study the Napoleonic wars? Ah I didn't think so! She
then told him the story.... ending with so has my mule! It could be
that she embelished the phrase a little saying "mule" instead
of "horse" since the former is known not to be as swift as the
latter.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, QFabiusMaxmi@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 6/12/2005 7:40:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> mjk@d... writes:
> a delegation of
> officers went up to Napoleon and said " My general, why not
promote
> the old corporal today? Afterall he fought so hard this day and he
> has been in your army for 18 years and..."
> Napoleon quickly cut off the conversation replying, " Well so has
my
> mule!"
> I heard it as "So has my horse." French promotions in the Wars
were based
> on merit
> not longitivity. Otherwise you could never have the French
Marshalate.
>
> Britain, Prussia, and Austria seem to have done the opposite, and
Russia was
> an Enigma
> as usual.
> Romans of course believed with age came wisdom. That was why the
honorium
> had age limits.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
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G. Equitius Cato G. Vipsanio Agrippo Q. Fabio Maximo quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve Gaius Agrippa et Fabius Maximus et salvete omnes.

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
<canadaoccidentalis@y...> wrote:

> I agree with this suggestion and restate my offer to front a part or

all of the money required for the minting of coins this year.

>
> Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa

CATO: Gratias tibi ago, Gaius Agrippa; and I offer to split and/or
supplement the cost of doing so. It would be an honor, and I applaud
Gaius Agrippa for stepping up to the plate.

I agree entirely with Fabius Maximus in that we should mint *new*
coins, not copies of ancient ones. We are the Republic restored ---
not the ancient one --- and thank you for that phrase, Censor Marinus;
it is a constant reminder of the glorious potential of our res publica.

Valete bene,

Cato

Flavia Tullia Scholastica Gregorio quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque omnibus
S.P.D.

> With all due respect...talent and wisdom are not the same thing
> Gregorius
>

Sane. Et eadem esse non diximus.

Vale, et valete.

FTS

>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

Flavia Scholastica <fororom@...> wrote:

Flavia Tullia Scholastica Gregorio quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque omnibus
S.P.D.

> With all due respect...talent and wisdom are not the same thing
> Gregorius
>

Sane. Et eadem esse non diximus.

Vale, et valete.

FTS

I agree. It's not the same thing. Talent you are born with. Wisdom you acquire....we hope.

Bene vale

Maxima Valeria Messallina

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Salve, Servia Iulia Caesaris Metelliana

I got an eagle to put on top of my flag pole when I bought a very large American flag, but I don't know if it could pass for a Roman eagle. May I suggest posting this question to Sabina Equitia Doris and her group at www.groups.yahoo.com/group/aquilaheliaca. If there are Nova Romans who can find you that Roman eagle for your flag pole, they'll be there. Good luck!

Bene vale

Maxima Valeria Messallina

JOEY NICOLE KING <metelliana@...> wrote:
Salvete,
Maybe you could answer this: I want to fix a Roman style garden and I wanted to use some garden type flagpole to fly a NR flag. I was told that the actual flag would not be good to use, as it wouldn't do well in the weather. Can I use our actual flag for a pattern and make one that will suit my purpose? Are there any legal implications in this? Also, do you know of any places that may have Roman eagles that I could mount on the pole?

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Yes, bumper stickers! And little Nova Roma flags you can stick on the underside of the top of car windows, like they do flags of basketball teams ( around here, a few miles east of Los Angeles, practically every car has a Laker flag on it ).
I love the T-shirt idea. I think they would be really cool. Personally, I want a mug for my coffee, red with the res publicas seal on it. There's a lot of things we could sell at a Nova Roma e-shop. Why not???
Everyone else is doing it and making $$$. What are we waiting for? And it's all for the glory of New Rome. So, the objection is what again???
Great idea, Publius Minius Mercator!

Vale

Maxima Valeria Messallina


"P. Dominus Antonius" <marsvigilia@...> wrote:
Bumper stickers?

On 6/11/05, raymond fuentes <praefectus2324@...> wrote:
> I was thinking exactly the same thing. A red N R shirt
> emblazoned w/ the res publicas seal- made to order? I
> myself would order 6 just to workout and run!
> --- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <groentje123@...>
> wrote:
> > Why not have both? I like the idea of opening a
> Cafepress e-shop where
> > you can sell bumperstickers, T-shirts,... without
> having to make/buy
> > them in advance. They are made when someone orders
> them. I proposed
> > the idea to one of the consuls a while ago, but I
> haven't got an
> > answer yet...
> >
> > vale
> >
> > Publius Minius Mercator
> >
> > more info: www.cafepress.com
> >
> > PS: but I really think having new coins would be a
> great idea...
> >
> > On 6/11/05, raymond fuentes
> <praefectus2324@...> wrote:
> > > Theres another idea...bumper stickers. Why cant
> bumper
> > > stickers or T-shirts be made and sold. They are
> both
> > > cheaper to produce & would surely sell.
> > > --- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> <StarVVreck@...>
> > > wrote:
> > > > Salve,
> > > >
> > > > This may be a bad time but it wasn't that long
> ago I
> > > put a single Nova
> > > > Roman coin, out of the 60 I purchased when they
> > > first came out, up onto
> > > > eBay and it sold for $5.50 + $0.50 shipping &
> > > handling. I felt so bad
> > > > about it selling for 11 times the value backed
> by
> > > Nova Roma that I
> > > > included one of the 5 Nova Roma bumper stickers
> I
> > > had.
> > > >
> > > > Another thing about not backing up Nova Roman
> > > coins... that would cause
> > > > Nova Roman money to not be currency but to be a
> > > collectible coin, such
> > > > as those released by NASCAR. Forgery of coins,
> > > while possible, is not
> > > > likely. A coin that uses silver plated zinc or
> > > copper will weigh a
> > > > great deal less than a coin made from silver.
> > > >
> > > > Vale,
> > > >
> > > > Iulius Titinius Antonius
> > >
> > >
> > > S P Q R
> > >
> > > Fidelis Ad Mortem.
> > >
> > > Marcvs Flavivs Fides
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In a message dated 6/13/2005 5:30:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
violetphearsen@... writes:
I got an eagle to put on top of my flag pole when I bought a very large
American flag, but I don't know if it could pass for a Roman eagle. May I suggest
posting this question to Sabina Equitia Doris and her group at
www.groups.yahoo.com/group/aquilaheliaca. If there are Nova Romans who can find you that Roman
eagle for your flag pole, they'll be there. Good luck!
The American Eagle is different from the Roman Eagle. Still its an Eagle.

As for the Vexilium, It was not flown on the fly like a modern flag, but
suspended on a crossbar.

True flags come from Germanic culture, and were adopted by the Byzantines.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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In a message dated 6/13/2005 5:42:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
violetphearsen@... writes:
around here, a few miles east of Los Angeles, practically every car has a
Laker flag on it ).


Actually again those are not Roman type flags. And Laker flags are
throughout the LA basin. In fact I was glad when Shaq left. Didn't have to see those
silly flags everywhere
this year.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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M. Hortensia G. Vipsanio Publio Minioque spd;
Please include me in! I would be truly happy to contribute to get
this up and running. We can do it ourselves, will Agrippa or Mercator
start a fund list?
In return how about those of us who do contribute, being promoted
to equestrians? I'm being very Roman right now;-)
I for one would love a NR republican style coin.
Marca Hortensia Maior TRP


- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
<canadaoccidentalis@y...> wrote:

> I agree with this suggestion and restate my offer to front a part or

all of the money required for the minting of coins this year.

>
> Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
>
> Publius Minius Mercator <groentje123@g...> wrote:
> Salvete omnes,
>
> maybe we should set up a fund where citizens can put money in now and
> later get a refund (or perhaps can use the money to pay their future
> taxes or buy coins themselves, that way no useless moneytransfers

have

> to be made)

Salvete omnes,

I think I have an idea that hasn't been suggested here publically
before: NR could have it's own Roman podcast. How does that sound? It's
something that could be done as collective effort by our citizens.

And for those unfamiliar with podcasting, see e.g.:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcasting

Valete,

Caius Curius Saturninus

Tribunus Plebis
Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
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fax: +358-9-8754751

Thank you for your offer. If anyone else wants to help, please contact me. If there is enough interest, I will begin setting up an account to collect contributions.

Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
Maior <rory12001@...> wrote:
M. Hortensia G. Vipsanio Publio Minioque spd;
Please include me in! I would be truly happy to contribute to get
this up and running. We can do it ourselves, will Agrippa or Mercator
start a fund list?
In return how about those of us who do contribute, being promoted
to equestrians? I'm being very Roman right now;-)
I for one would love a NR republican style coin.
Marca Hortensia Maior TRP


- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
<canadaoccidentalis@y...> wrote:

> I agree with this suggestion and restate my offer to front a part or

all of the money required for the minting of coins this year.

>
> Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
>
> Publius Minius Mercator <groentje123@g...> wrote:
> Salvete omnes,
>
> maybe we should set up a fund where citizens can put money in now and
> later get a refund (or perhaps can use the money to pay their future
> taxes or buy coins themselves, that way no useless moneytransfers

have

> to be made)

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VICESIMA QUARTA
The Newsletter of
LEGION XXIV - MEDIA ATLANTIA

JUNE 2005

Gallio Velius Marsallas / George Metz
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ADVENAE - Newcomers
*** Michael Wills mchl_wills@... has enlisted from Prospect Park PA, only a few miles from the Legion's Praetorium/Headquarters. He comes to us equipped and ready to defend the interests of Rome - a rare and welcome addition to our ranks. Mike has been involved in living history at Penn State and has also studied Roman history. His major was American Studies, but he has also indulged in Western History and looks forward to returning, for a time, as a Roman Legionary to that time 2000 years ago when Rome was the Superpower of the Ancient World.

*** Please join me in welcoming these new members to our ranks.

ROMAN DAYS NORTHEAST - MAY 14 & 15 AFTER-ACTION
Julie and Lawrence of LaWrens Nest hosted their annual Roman Days Northeast event at the Fairgrounds, near Woodstock, CN. They planned a varied and interesting event schedule, which included some participation by the attending public. Legio III Cyrenaica, Legio III Italica, Legio X, Legio XXIV, and members of the SCA, Roman re-enactors took part. Unfortunately, with great regrets, your Commander was unable to attend due to other commitments, but other Legion XXIV members were in attendance.
Mike Heenan of Legio III Cyrenaica was the Praefect in charge of overall military personnel.
He oversaw the military maneuvers, aka pilum-chucking, drills, etc.
Andy, the Roman Dude from Higgins Armory and Randy-2, took charge of Legio III Cyrenaica and assisted Mike.
Ed Wittofski, commander of Legio III Italica, was in charge of the fort area.
A pizza party was enjoyed by all on Saturday evening after set-up.
The event appears to have been quite a success and plans are under way for next year
Consult http://photos.groups,yahoo.com/group/romandaysne/ for photos posted by Julie of LaWrens Nest.

ROMAN DAYS - MARIETTA - AFTER-ACTION
Matt Amt and his Legion XX again hosted their annual Roman Days event - All Rome! - All Day!! - Saturday and Sunday, June 4 & 5, at the Marietta Mansion, 5626 Bell Station Road, Glendale MD.
Roman Days is the Twentieth Legion's annual Big Event, to which all other Romans and other interested parties are invited.
This year, the event was administered by Deb Fuller. She was assisted by Richard and Campbell , and she has put together a series of informational pages which will explain all.
Goto http://www.larp.com/legioxx/rdays.html for detailed information on this great Roman Event.
There is an email discussion group for planning purposes, http://groups.yahoo.com/group/romandays/.
Susan Wolfe was the Site Manager at Marietta, swolfe612@... or 301-464-5291.

Legion XXIV was represented by faithful Quinton Johanson (Marcus Quintius Clavus), Chris Goshey (Tiberius Claudius Vindex) and Brian Mackey (Medicus, Postumus Minucius Baro) who provided his large tent for sleeping, storage and changing of clothes. With your Commander, this was one of the best turn-outs the Legion has had. Thanks to them all. The Commander was accompanied by Dan Diffendale, a history major from the U of P. He did a Greek samnite impression and will soon be going to Turkey to teach English and do more history study.
Andy Volpe, The Roman Dude from the Higgins Armory Museum was also present.

ROMAN COURT at ROMAN DAYS
The Roman Court was held on Sunday in the same area as the fashion show. The following synopsis is from the perspective of Daniel Ziedler, who learned quite a bit about Roman and Celtic culture from it - I had no idea the Celts had such an organized legal code...or that they even had a legal code for that matter.
The basic scenario for the court was: a Roman citizen from the lower class and a Celtic warrior were taking a Roman merchant to court because of injuries they received from the merchant's oxen and ox cart.
The idea here was to demonstrate that the Romans had two sets of legal codes - one for citizens and one for non-citizens -
and to demonstrate the Celtic legal code as well.
The players were the Roman governor of Britain presiding over the case, the Roman merchant, the Roman citizen whose foot was run over, a Celt who was injured by one of the oxen, a Celt who was representing him (sort of his Celtic lawyer), and a Celt who witnessed the ox cart hit-and-run.
There was quite a bit of ab libbing involved (everyone making up evidence against me and me making up reasons why it wasn't really my fault) which made it pretty funny.
I tried claiming that Dan Diffendale (the Roman, or a Samnite in disguise, who was run over) would have no way of telling my ox cart from any other but he rather cleverly thwarted me by saying he saw my seal on the amphorae of olive oil in the back of the cart.
When asked how fast the ox cart was moving he replied "a good ox-clip"...Merlinia, as witness to this ox cart hit and run,
claimed the incident occurred on a narrow street that offered no chance for someone to evade a speeding ox cart.
I also tried claiming that the injured Celt (Steve Peffley) was more likely injured because he was drunk and tried to steal my ox as part of some strange Celtic ritual. His representative (Nate) realizing that it was possible his client may have been on a night time
cattle raid drew all the attention to the horrible insult of accusing his client of being drunk.
It was then that the governor decided that in all fairness to an injured Roman citizen and in order to keep the peace and improve Romano-British relations that I should pay 400 sistare to Dan and 600 sistare to Steve. That sounds pretty steep, but apparently my olive oil import company makes 500 sistare in profit alone every month so it really wasn't all that bad.
Dan was outraged that a barbarian was given a higher settlement than a Roman citizen, but settled down once it was explained to him that the injured barbarian was the Celtic equivalent of a member of the equestrian class so he should get a higher settlement. Although seeing as he was a barbarian he wasn't entitled to the same settlement a Roman equestrian would get.
Steve, through his interpreter, asked that the fine be paid in cattle rather than Roman coin. He was told that since Britain was part of the Roman Empire, Roman coin would be an acceptable payment. Steve also offered to have the fine waived in favor of single combat between either me or the champion of my choice and himself. I said I would choose to pay the fine rather than take advantage of an injured man. Oddly enough Nate chose not to translate that statement.
That was the end of the court drama. I still think I should have accepted the challenge and had Steve face the ox again...


MILITARY FORMATIONS at ROMAN DAYS
The usual muster, massed tacticals and kiddie cohort were conducted under the command of Matt Amt - Optio Quintus Darius Macro of Legion XX. Representatives of Legion XX, Legion XIIII (new unit from West Virginia) in spiffy dark blue tunica, Legion XXIV and Legion XXX (Canada) took part. On Saturday, 20 legionaries were in line, plus Optio Quintus in command, the Aquilfer from Legion XXX and yours truly serving as the Signifer, for a total of 23 in the formation, a record, I believe for the event. On Sunday, the numbers were reduced, as Legion XIIII had to depart for another campaign and the brutal hot and humid weather kept many others in armor only as much as was needed. Also on Sunday, the Roman formation was subjected to a surprise attack from the pesky Celts and barbarians that were also in attendance and known to be lurking at the edge of the encampment. The barbarian-Celts proved their intelligence by taking up residence under a massive "sacred?" tree, which provided near constant shade from the oppressive heat and sun during the weekend. Not so dumb, those barbarians!
Steve Peffley put on his usual impressive display of throwing weapons, slinging and arrow casting.

ENGINE of TERROR at ROMAN DAYS
The Legion XXIV Engine of Terror catapulta was field tested following its recent upgrades and proved to be about 30% stronger than before. However, the additional power also led to problems with misfires due to the trigger release arm becoming loose and on Sunday, the cocking windless suffered a partial failure. On Saturday, the "engine" engaged a scutum, and after some ranging difficulties, dispatched the hapless shield with a full penetration of an arrow bolt at about 30 yards. Enemies of Rome Beware!!
The machine has been fitted with a pulley and double rope system, which will reduce by half the amount of pulling force and stress on the windlass required to cock the engine for discharge. A new trigger release arm is also being fabricated, as the first one proved to be too short, was difficult to release and not of the proper shape. Next trials will be at Fort Meigs on June 18 and 19 in Perrysburg, Ohio, where Dan Peterson in expected to be in attendance.

FORT MEIGS EVENT COMING UP !!
The annual time-line event at the historic and restored Fort Meigs in Perrysburg, Ohio is a week away, on June 18 & 19!
Our Mid-West Vexillation will have a big presence, as this event is in their provincia. Several of the Mid-West troopers have
developed auxiliary impressions, which will make for an interesting contrast to our more usual 1st Century AD displays.
The upgraded catapulta will be in service - Enemies of Rome Take Due Notice Thereof !!
Dan Peterson may be present with his impressive display and collection of gear.

ROMAN MARKET DAYS - JULY 9 & 10
Roman Market Days 2005 is set for July 9th and 10th, 10AM - 4PM, in Wells, Maine. This year's event is in conjunction with the town "Harborfest" event which has been run by the local chamber of commerce for the last six years. Since this is during the peak tourist season the event should be well attended and usually attracts 1,000 to 2,000 people.
The Roman Market Days portion will be taking up a large back area of the event. There should be plenty of room for the gladiators, legion encampments and any siege equipment that might be able to show up, etc.
Rebecca East, author of the novel "A. D. 62: Pompeii", will be present to give away and autograph copies of her novel (www.rebecca-east.com). Various sutlers will be looking for business from Rome along with more modern cultures.
The Ludus Magnus Gladiators are expected to be present and they always put on a great exhibition.
It is also expected that the Wojick Bros onager will show up for a "shoot-out" with the Commander's upgraded catapulta.
Those planning to attend Roman Market Days this year, please advise the Commander and contact Marcus Cassius Julianus at cassius622@.... He is very interested in anyone that can come in Roman garb, would like to do presentations, would like to vend anything with a Classical world theme, etc. There is a real chance for this event to be BIG this year, since the event is tied in with an already established "Harborfest" attraction. Stay tuned for further details.

SPECIAL ROMAN EVENT IN OTTAWA - AUGUST 6 & 7
The Canadian Museum of Civilization, in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada is organizing a huge exhibit on Pompeii at the time of the eruption of the Vesuvius Volcano in 79AD. They are asking to have Roman reenactors, both military and civilian, for the weekend of August 6 & 7. I do know that for many of you, including myself, that is right after the weekend at Fort Malden in Amherstburg Ontario. However, it has been worked out that a limited number participants, on a "first come" basis will be compensated.
Three meals a day will be provided, and not just hot dogs, including underaged participants.

Secondly, arrangements are being made to accommodate most if not all with a room to sleep in, children participating as reenactors included. A financial compensation will be provided for adult participants. Bring everything you can, as we will need to be showing as much equipment as possible for this two day event. The museum will supply bails of hay for pilum shooting range and encampment. The Museum wants demos on pilae throwing and two maneuver demos daily. One at 11:00am and one at 2:00pm both Saturday and Sunday. For those who do not really know Ottawa well, the Museum is one of the biggest in Eastern Canada. It attracts about 10 million visitors per year and this special event will be no exception. Usually they attract thousands of interested people for that weekend alone. Please contact Marcus Darius Firmitus / "Marc Sarault" at 613-859-8289 for more details and questions, and to book your place as an individual or as a cohort or even as a legion. In return for the much appreciated Canadian hospitality in the past, Legion XXIV is expecting and should have a major presence at this event.

Marcus Darius Firmitus
Propraetor, Canada Orientalis Provincia, Nova Roma
Legatus, Regio Nova Gallia
Tribunus Laticlavius LEG XII, Primus Pilus COH I
http://cf.geocities.com/legioqc http://www.novaroma.org http://www.canadaorientalis.webcentre.ca

NEED ANY NICE ROMAN POTTERY ?
Julia Passamonti of The Venetian Cat Studios was at Roman Days and had some very nice natural and dark gray pottery for sale. Your Commander and many others bought up many of the available pieces and they were quite nice and authentic looking.
Contact Julia Passamonti of the Venetian Cat Studio at bast1959@... www.venetiancat.com 603-522-6518 fax 253-270-5483 - 292 Concord Lane - East Wakefield, NH 03830
They do custom work and may be willing to make what you have been looking for and could not find.
I have posted them on our www.legionxxiv.org/supplierslinks

DO YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD HERE ???
An After-Action Report for an event? An interesting experience, Roman or non-Roman? A new piece of gear?
Advice on making or maintaining equipment? A supplier you are happy with or may be of interest?
A historical narrative relating to Rome and its Military? Please! - Send it along to me!
I can only come-up with so much material for this Vicesima Quarta newsletter. I need your input here!
Some issues have been delayed or stalled due to a lack of suitable material for inclusion.

And please remember to keep me updated on your e-mail, phone and other address info. If your e-mail
goes bad and I don't have any other info, you become "MIA" "Missing in Action", or more likely "Inaction"
and I do have a number of those, way too many, already.
Please advise me of your status and continued interest in the Legion? legionxxiv@...
Thank you for your attention to this.

UPCOMING CAMPAIGNS for 2005
*** June 18-19 Muster on the Maumee, Fort Meigs, Perrysburg, OH, south of Toledo
*** July 9-10 Rome Invades the "Harbor Fest" in Wells, ME, Thousands expected to Be There!
*** July 30-31 Annual Fort Malden Military Days, Amherstburg, Ontario
*** August 6-7 Major Roman Event at Canadian Museum of Civilization in Ottawa, Canada
Marc Sarault (Marcus Darius) 613-859-8289 or marcus_darius_firmitus@...
*** August 16-20 Pennsic War, Coopers Lake Campground, New Castle, PA, I-79 and Rt 422
*** October 22-23 Probable Ren Faire appearance, Waterloo Village, Netcong, NJ, I-80-exit 25 11AM-5PM

Thanking you for your continued support of Legion XXIV, I remain;

Yours in the Bonds of Ancient Rome

Gallio / George



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Salve,

I really commend your efforts in financially supporting the project.
What we also need now is a formal plan that details the steps to
take with financing, minting and distribution to send to the senate
for approval, so the coins would be official. I am willing to draft
one, unless someone else would like to.

Vale,
D. Claudius Aquilius Germanicus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
<canadaoccidentalis@y...> wrote:

> Thank you for your offer. If anyone else wants to help, please

contact me. If there is enough interest, I will begin setting up an
account to collect contributions.

>
> Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
> Maior <rory12001@y...> wrote:
> M. Hortensia G. Vipsanio Publio Minioque spd;
> Please include me in! I would be truly happy to contribute to

get

> this up and running. We can do it ourselves, will Agrippa or

Mercator

> start a fund list?
> In return how about those of us who do contribute, being

promoted

> to equestrians? I'm being very Roman right now;-)
> I for one would love a NR republican style coin.
> Marca Hortensia Maior TRP
>
>
> - In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
> <canadaoccidentalis@y...> wrote:
> > I agree with this suggestion and restate my offer to front a

part or

> all of the money required for the minting of coins this year.
> >
> > Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
> >
> > Publius Minius Mercator <groentje123@g...> wrote:
> > Salvete omnes,
> >
> > maybe we should set up a fund where citizens can put money in

now and

> > later get a refund (or perhaps can use the money to pay their

future

> > taxes or buy coins themselves, that way no useless

moneytransfers

> have
> > to be made)
>
>
>
>
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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa
<canadaoccidentalis@y...> wrote:

> Thank you for your offer. If anyone else wants to help, please

contact me. If there is enough interest, I will begin setting up an
account to collect contributions.<

Salve Gaie,

Me too, though I am just a poor teacher. Of course I did put in a
lot of messages on this topic so I guess my interest is clear.

Would you be so kind as to ask the people who actually step forward
offering cash to take a look at the images I put in the Photos area
of the NR main list? In the Gens Gladia folder "2nd-reverse.jpg" is
the more recent of the two. There is also a sub-folder "pecunia
antiqua" that has a few images of coins of the early Empire for
comparison.


In another matter, there is the issues of ownership of the dies. It
seems that dies belong to the mint that makes them. This is how
printers work as well. The customer owns the original content and
art, but the printer owns the plates and other typesetting
materials. So the dies are like a tool that the mint makes in order
to fulfill your order. If you want to own the dies, you can usually
buy them from the mint. The down side is that the original mint will
take resonsibility for the quality and lifespan of the dies as long
as they own them, but not after they have been bought away.


One further issue. There has been talk of the cost of shipping large
numbers of coins overseas. Let's look at the population distribution
and the shipping costs. At some point it may become cost effective
to have two sets of dies made (at two mints) rather than to pay for
shipping. In that case we can use obvious mint marks and perhaps
actually INCREASE sales to collectors.


I think I was very clear in my original messages that I am very
interested in an Apollo sestertius signum...


bene vale

M. Gladius Agricola

Salvete omnes!

My apologies for missing my promised posting date of June 9.

The passage quoted is from Kahlil Gibran, a 20th century Lebanese
writer and not a Roman at all. I enjoy tossing the odd red herring
into the mix, hence the implication (and it was only an implication)
that this was a Roman author.

Gibran, Kahlil, THE GARDEN OF THE PROPHET. Alfred A. Knopf, New
York Mcmxlix [sic](my edition) pages 39 - 41.

Gibran's books are always in print, and available in many of the
world's languages. His all-time classic is THE PROPHET (recommended).

I posted this because I was struck going over this passage, how
the "Roman virtues" ripple through cultures of other times and
places. One of my personal beliefs is that truth is never
conditional. If something is true, it is true in all times and
all places. Oftentimes, we have to make do with conditionals.

And so, when the same concepts appear repeatedly in widely varied
contexts, I am reassured that there are, indeed, some truths to
live by. It's like finding your place on a map by triangulation.

Valete bene in pace deorum.

Gaia Aurelia Falconis Silvana

--In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana" wrote:

> G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana omnibusque sal.

I found the following passage in a book on my philosophy shelf. To
my mind, it reflects many of the Roman virtues in a very gentle
context. Much of the style here comes from the way the English
language has been used.

Many of the concepts feel like clear echoes of Marcus Aurelius (from
whom this domus takes its nomen) and others of the Stoics. Aurora
being one of the deities of this domus, I am partial to paragraph
2, "when you hail the beauty of the morning . . . . "

Which (Roman) writer do you believe may be the author? :-)

[Answer next week]
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Let us speak no more now of God the Father. Let us speak rather of
the gods, your neighbours, and of your brothers, the elements that
move about your houses and your fields.

You would rise in fancy unto the cloud, and you deem it height; and
you would pass over the vast sea and claim it to be distance. But I
say unto you that when you sow a seed in the earth, you reach a
greater height; and when you hail the beauty of the morning to your
neighbour, you cross a greater sea.

Too often do you sing God, the Infinite, and yet in truth you hear
not the song. Would that you might listen to the songbirds, and to
the leaves that forsake the branch when the wind passes by, and forget
not, my friends, that these sing only when they are separated from
the branch!

Again I bid you to speak not so freely of God, who is your All, but
speak rather and understand one another, neighbour unto neighbour, a
god unto a god.

For what shall feed the fledgling in the nest if the mother bird
flies skyward? And what anemone in the field shall be fulfilled
unless it be husbanded by a bee from another anemone?

It is only when you are lost in your smaller selves that you seek the
sky which you call God. Would that you might find paths into your
vast selves; would that you might be less idle and pave the roads!

My mariners and my friends, it were wiser to speak less of God, whom
we cannot understand, and more of each other, whom we may understand.
Yet I would have you know that we are the breath and the fragrance of
God. We are God, in leaf, in flower, and oftentimes in fruit.

---------------------------------------------------------------------

Salve,

I would certainly listen but are there enough people who are willing
to commit themselves to this kind of project?

vale

Publius Minius Mercator

On 6/14/05, Caius Curius Saturninus <c.curius@...> wrote:
> Salvete omnes,
>
> I think I have an idea that hasn't been suggested here publically
> before: NR could have it's own Roman podcast. How does that sound? It's
> something that could be done as collective effort by our citizens.
>
> And for those unfamiliar with podcasting, see e.g.:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcasting
>
> Valete,
>
> Caius Curius Saturninus
>
> Tribunus Plebis
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> Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
>
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> fax: +358-9-8754751
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Salvete,

I have uploaded my (personal) coin proposal to the files section under
coinproposal.doc. It shows step by step how this project can be
carried out. I would like to know how others view it.

Valete,
D. Claudius Aquilius Germanicus

Salve,

I think this is an excellent proposal. I still have two questions though:
-"Although the cost of the coin is yet to be determined, $1 is a
reasonable sum. " Does this mean that the new coin will be a 2
sestertii coin? Will the coins be reexcangeable for dollars again? (I
would not give this option, however I recommend we allow citizens to
pay their taxes using coins at local provincial events; the provincial
magistrates can then resell the coins to those interested)

-What is going to happen to the profit made by selling the coins? Will
this go to the treasury?

vale


Publius Minius Mercator

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "albmd323232" <albmd32@h...> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> I have uploaded my (personal) coin proposal to the files section under
> coinproposal.doc. It shows step by step how this project can be
> carried out. I would like to know how others view it.
>
> Valete,
> D. Claudius Aquilius Germanicus

Salvete omnes.

<<I would certainly listen but are there enough people who are
willing to commit themselves to this kind of project?>>

Nova Roma is never short of people willing to echo support on lists
such as these. The problem comes in the transition of that initial
burst of enthusiasm to a sustained and practical implementation of
an idea.

Additionally Nova Roma has seen another tax year pass by when the
number of citizens willing to dig into their pockets and pay their
tax is woefully small. I have seen some comments from people which
reflect the sentiment "what do I get out of Nova Roma for my tax
payment?".

I am not sure what those people mean. Do they mean what do they
personally get in the way of some trinket as a reward? Do they mean
what do they personally get by way of a tangible increase in their
influence in Nova Roma?

Whatever the explanation, paying this tax, where one is perfectly
able to financially, for the benefit of Nova Roma rather than the
benefit of an individual is clearly a foreign concept. We are all to
some extent or another products of our upbringing and environment,
and obviously the cult of the consumer has bled over into Nova
Roma. "I pay therefore I receive" is the mantra of the macronational
world. "I pay because I should" isn't so frequently heard - anywhere.

I would feel more optimistic about the chances of success for any
proposed venture if Nova Roma was comprised of more citizens willing
to demonstrate their commitment to the most reactive and basic
contribution possible, the tax.

If we cannot motivate more people to expend the minimum of effort,
and where the amount required is in no way a burden - the minimum of
expense, on paying their taxes, then I fear many projects will
either fall on the heads of a few, which is unhealthy in every
respect, or fail completely.

So to answer Mercator's question, no doubt plently will listen and
commit themselves to that as their contribution, but how many will
commit themselves to a sustained contribution of time, effort and if
required - money to produce the material?

Valete
Caesar


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Publius Minius Mercator
<groentje123@g...> wrote:

> Salve,
>
> I would certainly listen but are there enough people who are

willing

> to commit themselves to this kind of project?
>
> vale
>
> Publius Minius Mercator
>
>

A. Apollonius C. Equitio amico omnibusque sal.

> I agree entirely with Fabius Maximus in that we
> should mint *new*
> coins, not copies of ancient ones. We are the
> Republic restored ---
> not the ancient one --- and thank you for that
> phrase, Censor Marinus;
> it is a constant reminder of the glorious potential
> of our res publica.

Quite so. One could say "the sort of coins Roman
moneyers might have made if they had had the use of a
modern mint". As long as it doesn't come out like "the
sort of coin a modern western moneyer might make if he
had a vague interest in ancient Rome".

Reluctant as I am to promise yet more of my time to
the republic (I have actually had to take a day or two
off work this week to make sure that I meet my
existing commitments to the republic and its
Academia!), I realize that many people won't have easy
access to good books on Roman republican coinage, so
although I can't offer to actually work on the design
of a new coin I am prepared to act as a sort of
historical consultant on any designs that others may
come up with. Just drop me an e-mail with a picture of
the proposed design, or any questions about ancient designs.





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> Everyone else is doing it and making $$$. What are
> we waiting for?

We are waiting for someone to stop saying "what are we
waiting for" and start doing it. ;P

In fact I believe P. Minius has begun to do precisely that.





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A. Apollonius C. Curio amico omnibusque sal.

> I think I have an idea that hasn't been suggested
> here publically
> before: NR could have it's own Roman podcast. How
> does that sound? It's
> something that could be done as collective effort by
> our citizens.

Sounds like a great idea. I've often thought it would
be nice to have a Roman radio station, but, being as
technologically illiterate as I am, I had no idea it
was actually feasible.

We wouldn't have to broadcast 24 hours a day, would
we? I'm sure we could find some people who would be
able to record, say, a weekly one-hour programme.





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Salve Claudius Germanicus!

Wunderbahr! Excellent foundation --- perhaps Gaius Vipsanius can
create a new List specifically for those of us who want to work on this?

Vale bene,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "albmd323232" <albmd32@h...> wrote:
> Salvete,
>
> I have uploaded my (personal) coin proposal to the files section under
> coinproposal.doc. It shows step by step how this project can be
> carried out. I would like to know how others view it.
>
> Valete,
> D. Claudius Aquilius Germanicus

Salve:

Thank you Q. Fabius Maximus for the information on foederati coinage.

For Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa, I would be please to participate in any way on
new Nova Roma coins. You can always reach me at;
knossos134@...

Stephen Vogelsang

> [Original Message]
> From: <QFabiusMaxmi@...>
> To: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
> Date: 6/13/2005 10:04:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nova Roma coins : tempus agendi !
>
> In a message dated 6/13/2005 9:16:39 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> knossos134@... writes:
> One question, if you may know off hand, did any of the foederati tribes in
> the later Roman period try issuing coins?
> The Ostrogoths/Vandals did, but that was after they assumed control
> of parts of the Empire.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
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Salve!

Well I have sent an e-mail to the consuls asking to put my proposal on
the Senate's agenda. So we'll have to wait and see what they have to
say...

vale

Publius Minius Mercator

PS: anyone who wants to contribute for the designing aspect of the
e-shop may contact me privately

On 6/14/05, A. Apollonius Cordus <a_apollonius_cordus@...> wrote:
> A. Apollonius Maximae Valeriae omnibusque sal.
>
> > Everyone else is doing it and making $$$. What are
> > we waiting for?
>
> We are waiting for someone to stop saying "what are we
> waiting for" and start doing it. ;P
>
> In fact I believe P. Minius has begun to do precisely that.
>
>
>
>
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Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato Novaromanis S.P.D.

Salvete Omnes: To go along with the discussion on Nova Roma
coins, I have uploaded some pics of some Roman coins from my
collection to the Photos section of the e-mail list. These may help
give some idea of Roman coins from both the Republican period, (most
of them), and the period of the Empire.
Most of my coins are silver Denarii of the Republican period.
The denarius is about the width of U.S and Canadian dimes, but a bit
thicker, and weigh between 3 and 4 grams. In the Republican perod
they used a surprisingly high purity of silver in the denarius,
often running 98% to 99% purity. Later in the Empire, they lowered
the purity as they ran into economic problems. My earliest denarii
are from about 211 - 208 B.C.E. and run down to about 43 B.C.E. You
will notice a denarius minted under the authority of Marcus Iunius
Brutus in 54 B.C.E. Brutus and some other Senators favoured the
goddess Libertas, the goddess of freedom, that most of us are
familiar with today as the Lady Liberty.
You will also see a bronze sestertius of Marcus Aurelius and an
AE 1 of Julian II that has a bull and two stars on the reverse. Also
a sestertius of Severus Alexander.
Here are some web sights with some infor on Roman coins and
denominations to show how they related to each other in value.
http://www.romancoins.info/Denominations-Early.html
http://www.quadrigaancients.com/quadgrading.html
http://dougsmith.ancients.info/voc2.html
http://www.ancient-times.com/articles/tresviri/republic.html

In my humble opinion, it would be nice that since we already have
a sestertius, that it would be nice to mint a silver denarius. There
is something much more attractive about a nice silver coin, although
I do admit that it might be unrealistic due to cost. but I would
certainly buy a few rolls if it were done. I bought three rolls of
the original Nova Roma sestertius, but would be even more attracted
to a silver denarius. Of course we could maybe instead have one of
the other denominations such as the dupondius, quadrans, etc.

Bene valete, Appius Tullius Cato
Senator

Salvete Omnes: To really see the coins make sure that you click and
expand the pics to Full Size. A few people may not realise that they
can be expanded to full size in order to see the detail.

Bene valete, Appius Tullius Cato

QFabiusMaxmi@... wrote:

<As for the Vexilium, It was not flown on the fly like a modern flag, but suspended on a crossbar.
True flags come from Germanic culture, and were adopted by the Byzantines.

Q. Fabius Maximus>


Salve, Q. Fabius Maximus

Oh! I did not know that. You learn something new everyday around here. Thank you for sharing that.

Bene vale

Maxima Valeria Messallina


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QFabiusMaxmi@... wrote:

In a message dated 6/13/2005 5:42:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, violetphearsen@... writes:
<around here, a few miles east of Los Angeles, practically every car has a Laker flag on it.>


Actually again those are not Roman type flags. And Laker flags are throughout the LA basin. In fact I was glad when Shaq left. Didn't have to see those silly flags everywhere this year.

Q. Fabius Maximus


I say Amen to that! I saw cars with several of those flags on every window. So, I just figured why not counter the sea of purple and yellow with some Nova Roma red and grey?
After thinking about it, I realized it wasn't a good idea. Those flags eventually fall off. They were all over the place! I would never want to see a Nova Roma flag lying on the road getting runned over by an endless stream of cars. Nah, best to stick with the T-shirts and mugs. :)

Vale

Maxima Valeria Messallina

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I agree with Valeria Messalina. I`ve been a part of this community hardly a week, and already I have learnt very much about the Romans that I didn´t know before. The collected scholarship here should impress even a Pliny:))

Karolina

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True flags come from Germanic culture, and were adopted by the Byzantines.

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Salve, Q. Fabius Maximus

Oh! I did not know that. You learn something new everyday around here. Thank you for sharing that.

Bene vale

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M. Hortensia Karoliae spd;
please visit Academia Thules, many wonderful courses are
offered there and for free.

Right now I am taking a wonderful course on the Religio Romana and
my good friend A. Apollonius Cordus is teaching a course on Roman
Law, while a scholar of Latin, Avitus is teaching a spoken Latin
course. Flavia Tullia another good friend will be teaching a
beginning Latin course in the autumn!
Nova Roma is indeed a terrific place & where your love
for Rome will be more than rewarded.
optime vale
Marca Hortensia Maior TRP

> I agree with Valeria Messalina. I`ve been a part of this community

hardly a week, and already I have learnt very much about the Romans
that I didn´t know before. The collected scholarship here should
impress even a Pliny:))

>
> Karolina
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> QFabiusMaxmi@a... wrote:
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> <As for the Vexilium, It was not flown on the fly like a modern

flag, but suspended on a crossbar.

> True flags come from Germanic culture, and were adopted by the

Byzantines.

>
> Q. Fabius Maximus>
>
>
> Salve, Q. Fabius Maximus
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> Oh! I did not know that. You learn something new everyday around

here. Thank you for sharing that.

>
> Bene vale
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> Maxima Valeria Messallina
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In a message dated 6/14/2005 12:38:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
catoni52@... writes:
In the Republican perod they used a surprisingly high purity of silver in the
denarius, often running 98% to 99% purity.

Of course they had control of the silver mines in Thrace and Spain. Both a
result
of Roman expansion. The Thrakian mines are the same silver mines that both
Athens
later Makedonia controlled. After the defeat of Persus, Makedonia was broken
up
and control of Thrake fell to the Romans. As for silver mines, perhaps it
was the closing
of the mine in the 1st century that encouraged Domitian and later Trajanus to
invade
Dacia, since there was supposed to be precious metal mines in the province.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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In a message dated 6/14/2005 1:44:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
karolina.sjodin@... writes:
agree with Valeria Messalina. I`ve been a part of this community hardly a
week, and already I have learnt very much about the Romans that I didn´t know
before. The collected scholarship here should impress even a Pliny:))
Exactly. So why do not the citizens pay their dues, after taken such
advantage
of the members here? I get about 12 requests about the Roman military and
religio a day. If I received a dollar an answer, that'd be 12 dollars a day.
Instead, we volunteer our time, expertise and knowledge for free. I confess I
agree with Caesar's frustration and bewilderment.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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Salvete Omnes: I am repeating the list of Roman coin information
site because no mention was made of the list in the subject line in
my first post, and some may have bypassed it without being aware fo
the list in the post.
For those who already saw the list in the first post, please
ignore this post.
Roman Coin Information

http://www.romancoins.info/Denominations-Early.html
http://www.quadrigaancients.com/quadgrading.html
http://dougsmith.ancients.info/voc2.html
http://www.ancient-times.com/articles/tresviri/republic.html

I also thank Senator Maximus for his information on the silver
mines controlled by Rome, and giving describing an excellent reason
for Romes invasion and occupation of Dacia during Trajan's time. The
mines of the Romans is also a subject that I have great interest in.
A Nova Roma silver denarius, although realistically not a
possibility perhaps, would be a highly valuable item in my opinion,
and would take a place of honor in my collection.
Originally I purchased three rolls of the Nova Roma sestertii,
and I have about a roll and a half left. I had collegues at work
that bought a few, sold a few at a couple of coin shows, and some of
them I gave to relatives as little gifts. They are a great
coversation piece, and an excellent symbol of Nova Roma.

Bene valete, Appius Tullius Cato

Salvete omnes

I have started a new list for discussion on the issue of NR coins.

nrcoins-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

I hope this does not become another issue that lingers around while
people talk endlessly about what should be done. With help, I promise
that Nova Roma will have new coins produced this year, hopefully by
the end of the summer.

Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa

> M. Hortensia Appio Tullio spd;

thank you again for those web sites which I did miss. I personally
recommend this one as it discusses Republican coins.
http://dougsmith.ancients.info/voc2.html

I tend to favour Janus the god of beginnings or Castor and Pollux,
Rome's divine ancestors, as having special meaning for us. Apollo was
never an important god to the Romans until Augustus. But I'm fine
with Hercules.
I prefer these figures as I think it's important to commemorate Nova
Roma not only a nation but also as one created to bring back the
worship of the gods.
optime vale
Marca Hortensia Maior TRP
Caput Officina Iuriis
et Investigatio CFQ

If I get my citizenship approved,soooooooooooo....For the time being I´m just in the footsteps of Alaric:D

Karolina

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In a message dated 6/14/2005 1:44:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
karolina.sjodin@... writes:
agree with Valeria Messalina. I`ve been a part of this community hardly a
week, and already I have learnt very much about the Romans that I didn´t know
before. The collected scholarship here should impress even a Pliny:))
Exactly. So why do not the citizens pay their dues, after taken such
advantage
of the members here? I get about 12 requests about the Roman military and
religio a day. If I received a dollar an answer, that'd be 12 dollars a day.
Instead, we volunteer our time, expertise and knowledge for free. I confess I
agree with Caesar's frustration and bewilderment.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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Just curious.
Exactly which Roman writer do you think this sounds the most like?

On 6/14/05, G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana <silvanatextrix@...> wrote:
> Salvete omnes!
>
> My apologies for missing my promised posting date of June 9.
>
> The passage quoted is from Kahlil Gibran, a 20th century Lebanese
> writer and not a Roman at all. I enjoy tossing the odd red herring
> into the mix, hence the implication (and it was only an implication)
> that this was a Roman author.
>
> Gibran, Kahlil, THE GARDEN OF THE PROPHET. Alfred A. Knopf, New
> York Mcmxlix [sic](my edition) pages 39 - 41.
>
> Gibran's books are always in print, and available in many of the
> world's languages. His all-time classic is THE PROPHET (recommended).
>
> I posted this because I was struck going over this passage, how
> the "Roman virtues" ripple through cultures of other times and
> places. One of my personal beliefs is that truth is never
> conditional. If something is true, it is true in all times and
> all places. Oftentimes, we have to make do with conditionals.
>
> And so, when the same concepts appear repeatedly in widely varied
> contexts, I am reassured that there are, indeed, some truths to
> live by. It's like finding your place on a map by triangulation.
>
> Valete bene in pace deorum.
>
> Gaia Aurelia Falconis Silvana
>
> --In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana" wrote:
> > G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana omnibusque sal.
>
> I found the following passage in a book on my philosophy shelf. To
> my mind, it reflects many of the Roman virtues in a very gentle
> context. Much of the style here comes from the way the English
> language has been used.
>
> Many of the concepts feel like clear echoes of Marcus Aurelius (from
> whom this domus takes its nomen) and others of the Stoics. Aurora
> being one of the deities of this domus, I am partial to paragraph
> 2, "when you hail the beauty of the morning . . . . "
>
> Which (Roman) writer do you believe may be the author? :-)
>
> [Answer next week]
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Let us speak no more now of God the Father. Let us speak rather of
> the gods, your neighbours, and of your brothers, the elements that
> move about your houses and your fields.
>
> You would rise in fancy unto the cloud, and you deem it height; and
> you would pass over the vast sea and claim it to be distance. But I
> say unto you that when you sow a seed in the earth, you reach a
> greater height; and when you hail the beauty of the morning to your
> neighbour, you cross a greater sea.
>
> Too often do you sing God, the Infinite, and yet in truth you hear
> not the song. Would that you might listen to the songbirds, and to
> the leaves that forsake the branch when the wind passes by, and forget
> not, my friends, that these sing only when they are separated from
> the branch!
>
> Again I bid you to speak not so freely of God, who is your All, but
> speak rather and understand one another, neighbour unto neighbour, a
> god unto a god.
>
> For what shall feed the fledgling in the nest if the mother bird
> flies skyward? And what anemone in the field shall be fulfilled
> unless it be husbanded by a bee from another anemone?
>
> It is only when you are lost in your smaller selves that you seek the
> sky which you call God. Would that you might find paths into your
> vast selves; would that you might be less idle and pave the roads!
>
> My mariners and my friends, it were wiser to speak less of God, whom
> we cannot understand, and more of each other, whom we may understand.
> Yet I would have you know that we are the breath and the fragrance of
> God. We are God, in leaf, in flower, and oftentimes in fruit.
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salve Marca Hortensia et salvete onmes,

I take your point, and it is a good one. Certainly, there are many
worthy options. On the other hand, Apollo is important to many Nova
Roma citizens (at least the album gentius indicates Apollo as a parton
for a goodly percentage of our citizens). Also, Apollo was _known_ in
Rome from much earlier times, and has the distinction of standing in
two worlds, so to speak. I mean that he was known to both Greeks and
Romans (and no, I don't mean to get THAT debate going, the one about
identifications).

Another thing to consider is that an Apollo sestertius would help us
forge a link to the Hellenic Recon community, probably full of
like-minded people to us.

Finally, this page http://www.geocities.com/Athens/9854/PageNea.html
claims that "The first coins to be issued in the name of the early
Roman Republic were minted in Campania during the period of treaty
between Neapolis and Rome (326 BCE). At this time, bronze coins with a
head of Apollo on the obverse and the forepart of a man-headed bull
with Greek legend on the reverse were minted at Neapolis. [Cornell,
The Beginnings of Rome, 1995, p.394]"

Hoping that the Deathless Ones keep you in their favor,

M. Gladius Agricola

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Maior" <rory12001@y...> wrote:
> > M. Hortensia Appio Tullio spd;
> thank you again for those web sites which I did miss. I personally
> recommend this one as it discusses Republican coins.
> http://dougsmith.ancients.info/voc2.html
>
> I tend to favour Janus the god of beginnings or Castor and Pollux,
> Rome's divine ancestors, as having special meaning for us. Apollo was
> never an important god to the Romans until Augustus. But I'm fine
> with Hercules.
> I prefer these figures as I think it's important to commemorate Nova
> Roma not only a nation but also as one created to bring back the
> worship of the gods.
> optime vale
> Marca Hortensia Maior TRP
> Caput Officina Iuriis
> et Investigatio CFQ

Salve,

Technically it's all quite easy and I can take care of that part. But
my spoken English and Latin is not good enough for this kind of thing
so someone else would have to do the talking part of work. So
voice-talent as well as those who would be willing to dig out material
to be spoken is all we need...

Should there be interest, I'm here. :-)

Vale,

> A. Apollonius C. Curio amico omnibusque sal.
>
>> I think I have an idea that hasn't been suggested
>> here publically
>> before: NR could have it's own Roman podcast. How
>> does that sound? It's
>> something that could be done as collective effort by
>> our citizens.
>
> Sounds like a great idea. I've often thought it would
> be nice to have a Roman radio station, but, being as
> technologically illiterate as I am, I had no idea it
> was actually feasible.
>
> We wouldn't have to broadcast 24 hours a day, would
> we? I'm sure we could find some people who would be
> able to record, say, a weekly one-hour programme.

Caius Curius Saturninus

Tribunus Plebis
Propraetor Provinciae Thules
Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova

e-mail: c.curius@...
www.academiathules.org
gsm: +358-50-3315279
fax: +358-9-8754751

Salvete omnes,

I stumbled on wikipedia the other day , a free encyclopedia where
everyone can edit the articles and that way contribute to a free
service. But now I found out everyone can use the software to make
their own wikipedia. So I was wondering if we could set up some sort
of Nova Roma Wiki: a Roman encyclopedia where every Nova Roman can
contribute. Since I've already noticed just how much knowledge is
accumulated in Nova Roma I really think this kind of project could
work. And Wiki is really easy to use...

vale

Publius Minius Mercator

more info on: http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/ (this website has the
free software we could put on our site to have our own wiki)
http://www.wikipedia.com (the original encyclopedia)

Chariot races bring ancient Roman city back to life in Jordan

JERASH, Jordan - The sun bears down and dust swirls as Roman
centurions, followed by armour-clad legionnaires and bruised
gladiators, tramp out of the ancient hippodrome to the trailing
sounds of a military march.

In the seats all around, 21st century spectators in modern-day Jordan
cheer and applaud the spectacle before them - a one-hour show held in
honour of Julius Caesar, and part of Jordan's newest tourist
attraction.

Starting mid-July, visitors to Jordan can plunge into the past,
reliving in a unique location just north of the capital Amman some of
the high moments that made the Roman empire.

The setting is Jerash, the ancient Roman city and one of Jordan's
better preserved archeological sites and one of the 10 great cities
during the Roman golden age.

The place is the restored hippodrome located close to the South Gate
just beyond the triumphal arch that was erected as a tribute to
Emperor Hadrian who visited the city in 129 AD. . . .

http://tinyurl.com/d42gy • http://www.khaleejtimes.com

Salvete Cai Saturnine et omnes

This is an interesting idea. Assuming you had people to record the
programs it would make a nice addition to the courses at Academia
Thules. Some of my discipuli have already expressed their desire to
hear some of the Latin prayers that I refer to in my classes. The
Latin courses, literature courses, lectures from Cordus on Roman
law. Also recordings of some Roman rituals to be broadcast on
festival days. The recordings could be made at various places and
then submitted to a central place for broadcasting.

Since you are in Finland would you possibly have contact with YLE
Radio that produces Nuntii Latini and might consult with them on
practical advice for producing such programs?

Vale optime et vade in pacem Deorum
M Horatius Piscinus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"
<a_apollonius_cordus@y...> wrote:

> A. Apollonius C. Curio amico omnibusque sal.
>
> > I think I have an idea that hasn't been suggested
> > here publically
> > before: NR could have it's own Roman podcast. How
> > does that sound? It's
> > something that could be done as collective effort by
> > our citizens.
>
> Sounds like a great idea. I've often thought it would
> be nice to have a Roman radio station, but, being as
> technologically illiterate as I am, I had no idea it
> was actually feasible.
>
> We wouldn't have to broadcast 24 hours a day, would
> we? I'm sure we could find some people who would be
> able to record, say, a weekly one-hour programme.
>
>
>
>
>
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A. Apollonius C. Curio amico omnibusque sal.

> Technically it's all quite easy and I can take care
> of that part. But
> my spoken English and Latin is not good enough for
> this kind of thing
> so someone else would have to do the talking part of
> work. So
> voice-talent as well as those who would be willing
> to dig out material
> to be spoken is all we need...

If there's one thing I can do, it's talk! ;)

After the law course at the Academia is over, I'll see
whether I can be any help with this.



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M. Hortensia Maior C. Curio M. Horatioque spd;

I think this is a really splendid idea, the podcast would
not only bring us the voice of our cives, always more personal &
bring our community together, but marking our feriae as Marcus
Horatius said with prayers in Latin and maybe a discussion of the
ritual, would be such a boost to the Religio.
We might have a military discussion, a coin discussion, I can
think of lots of things, I truly commend Caius Curius for this new
idea.
optime vale
Marca Hortensia Maior TRP


. Also recordings of some Roman rituals to be broadcast on

> festival days. The recordings could be made at various places and
> then submitted to a central place for broadcasting.
>
> Since you are in Finland would you possibly have contact with YLE
> Radio that produces Nuntii Latini and might consult with them on
> practical advice for producing such programs?
>
> Vale optime et vade in pacem Deorum
> M Horatius Piscinus
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"
> <a_apollonius_cordus@y...> wrote:
> > A. Apollonius C. Curio amico omnibusque sal.
> >
> > > I think I have an idea that hasn't been suggested
> > > here publically
> > > before: NR could have it's own Roman podcast. How
> > > does that sound? It's
> > > something that could be done as collective effort by
> > > our citizens.
> >
> > Sounds like a great idea. I've often thought it would
> > be nice to have a Roman radio station, but, being as
> > technologically illiterate as I am, I had no idea it
> > was actually feasible.
> >
> > We wouldn't have to broadcast 24 hours a day, would
> > we? I'm sure we could find some people who would be
> > able to record, say, a weekly one-hour programme.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ___________________________________________________________
> > Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide
> with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Salvete, omnes -

For those of us running Linux, there are several applications related to
Latin; I recall a few of them being mentioned here previously. However,
I've just run across a new one, something that's a part of the KDE
application suite: KLatin.

Quoting from the documentation:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Description: application to help revise/teach Latin
KLatin is a program to help revise Latin. There are three "sections" in
which different aspects of the language can be revised. These are the
vocabulary, grammar and verb testing sections. In addition there is a
set of revision notes that can be used for self-guided revision.
.
In the vocabulary section an XML file is loaded containing various
words and their local language translations. KLatin asks you what each
of these words translate into. The questions take place in a
multiple-choice environment.
.
In the grammar and verb sections KLatin asks for a particular part of a
noun or a verb, such as the "ablative singular", or the "1st person
indicative passive plural", and is not multiple choice.
.
This package is part of the official KDE edutainment module.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Unfortunately, I don't have the expertise to evaluate its accuracy, but
it looks good from everything I can see. In the worst case, we could
always send a bug report to the maintainer and improve the process of
learning Latin for others. :)


Valete,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Finis coronat opus.
The ending crowns the work.
-- N/A. Cf. "exitus acta probat".

Salvete Omnes:

If we ever at some point decide to produce another coin,
we would have to decide which denomination. There were a number of
different denominations in Republican Rome, just as we have
different denominations in our countrys today.

We have already produced a sestertius, thanks to the efforts and
generosity of P. P. Senator Marcus Cassius Julianus. It is a great
coin, and I have some left, including one that I placed in my
collection of Roman coins.

Perhaps we should produce a dupondius, or as, which were large
coins. These have more room for the engraver to create nice designs
or portraits.
Or we could do the smaller silver denarius. The denarius has
less room for the engraver, ( a very talented engraver can still do
great artwork on it though, as some of my samples show,) but is a
precious metal which more people might desire for the matal value,
as well as it's value as a coin of Nova Roma.

A silver denarius was worth four sesterti. And a sestertius was
worth at one point ten asses, changinging to sixteen asses at some
point. (Yes, I know it sounds funny.) :-) (It took twenty-five
silver denari to get a gold Aureus. Not to many of the gold coins
were seen in general circulation for obvious reasons.)

There were also a few other denomination, similar in some
respects in their relationship to each other like our 1 cent, five
cent, 10 cent, and so on up to the old siver dollar, and gold coins
that we used to have back in the days of real money.

If I had a choice, I would choose to go with a silver denarius
if at all possible, but I do realise that that is most likely not a
realistic idea due to the cost of the metal. However, the percentage
of silver in the coin could be lowered in order to reduce the cost.

Valete, Appius Tullius Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Benjamin A. Okopnik" <ben@l...> wrote:

> Salvete, omnes -
>
> For those of us running Linux, there are several applications related to
> Latin; I recall a few of them being mentioned here previously. However,
> I've just run across a new one, something that's a part of the KDE
> application suite: KLatin.
>

ago tibi gratias, Gaie

Good call.

I'm running Ubuntu GNU/Linux and just installed KLatin through the
Synaptic package manager. A couple of clicks and the app was
downloaded, installed and now appears in my Applications/Edutainment menu.

bene vale,

M. Gladius Agricola

Salve!

My spoken English is decent (I used to do voice overs for radio comercials when I was in University). But how could we get all the "voices" together? Or would it be a live broadcast fron a single location?


Vale,

G. Iulia Felix

----- Original Message -----
From: Caius Curius Saturninus
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 10:53 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Digest Number 1968


Salve,

Technically it's all quite easy and I can take care of that part. But
my spoken English and Latin is not good enough for this kind of thing
so someone else would have to do the talking part of work. So
voice-talent as well as those who would be willing to dig out material
to be spoken is all we need...

Should there be interest, I'm here. :-)

Vale,

> A. Apollonius C. Curio amico omnibusque sal.
>
>> I think I have an idea that hasn't been suggested
>> here publically
>> before: NR could have it's own Roman podcast. How
>> does that sound? It's
>> something that could be done as collective effort by
>> our citizens.
>
> Sounds like a great idea. I've often thought it would
> be nice to have a Roman radio station, but, being as
> technologically illiterate as I am, I had no idea it
> was actually feasible.
>
> We wouldn't have to broadcast 24 hours a day, would
> we? I'm sure we could find some people who would be
> able to record, say, a weekly one-hour programme.


Caius Curius Saturninus

Tribunus Plebis
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Salve, M. Gladius Agricola -

On Thu, Jun 16, 2005 at 12:57:36AM -0000, Marcus Gladius Agricola wrote:
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Benjamin A. Okopnik" <ben@l...> wrote:
> > Salvete, omnes -
> >
> > For those of us running Linux, there are several applications related to
> > Latin; I recall a few of them being mentioned here previously. However,
> > I've just run across a new one, something that's a part of the KDE
> > application suite: KLatin.
> >
>
> ago tibi gratias, Gaie

Salutatio, Marce; I'm glad you found it useful!

> Good call.
>
> I'm running Ubuntu GNU/Linux and just installed KLatin through the
> Synaptic package manager. A couple of clicks and the app was
> downloaded, installed and now appears in my Applications/Edutainment menu.

[grin] What - you didn't have to run to the store, stand in line, argue
with salespeople, pay lots of money, agree to shrink-wrap EULAs, scan
for viruses or spyware, return scratched CDs, fight over refunds... none
of that? Seems almost unfair. :)


Vale,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Let the dice fly!
-- Julius Caesar, at the Rubicon

M. Hortensia C. Curio spd;
Salve Cai Curi; here's a suggestion for the podcast; Reading hour.
I think it would be great if we started with the Aeneid, and did maybe
15 mins in Latin and then the translation in English. We could start
from page 1 and go through the entire book, slowly a section a week.
just brainstorming
bene vale in pace deorum
Marca Hortensia Maior

NR could have it's own Roman podcast. How

> > does that sound? It's
> > something that could be done as collective effort by
> > our citizens.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Salve, Caie Curi Saturnine, et salvete, quirites, socii, peregrinique omnes!

> Salve,
>
> Technically it's all quite easy and I can take care of that part. But
> my spoken English and Latin is not good enough for this kind of thing
> so someone else would have to do the talking part of work. So
> voice-talent as well as those who would be willing to dig out material
> to be spoken is all we need...
>
> Should there be interest, I'm here. :-)

My spoken English and Latin are reasonably good (the latter largely
courtesy of Avitus), but (for what it's worth) I don't have the most
gorgeous voice--or any experience in such matters.

>
> Vale,
>

Vale, et valete,

Flavia Tullia Scholastica

>> A. Apollonius C. Curio amico omnibusque sal.
>>
>>> I think I have an idea that hasn't been suggested
>>> here publically
>>> before: NR could have it's own Roman podcast. How
>>> does that sound? It's
>>> something that could be done as collective effort by
>>> our citizens.
>>
>> Sounds like a great idea. I've often thought it would
>> be nice to have a Roman radio station, but, being as
>> technologically illiterate as I am, I had no idea it
>> was actually feasible.
>>
>> We wouldn't have to broadcast 24 hours a day, would
>> we? I'm sure we could find some people who would be
>> able to record, say, a weekly one-hour programme.
>
>
> Caius Curius Saturninus
>
> Tribunus Plebis
> Propraetor Provinciae Thules
> Procurator Academia Thules ad Studia Romana Antiqua et Nova
>
> e-mail: c.curius@...
> www.academiathules.org
> gsm: +358-50-3315279
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Flavia Tullia Scholastica Marcae Hortensiae Maiori Caio Curio Saturnino
quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque omnibus S.P.D.

> M. Hortensia C. Curio spd;
> Salve Cai Curi; here's a suggestion for the podcast; Reading hour.
> I think it would be great if we started with the Aeneid, and did maybe
> 15 mins in Latin and then the translation in English. We could start
> from page 1 and go through the entire book, slowly a section a week.
> just brainstorming

Sounds good. We could also have a roundtable, or some such thing upon
occasion, with us graduates of the Assimil course following our instructor's
Prime Directive--perhaps with said instructor in attendance. (Dixit AGGA:
sine lingua, Nova Roma mera lusio est...)

> bene vale in pace deorum
> Marca Hortensia Maior

Valete,

Flavia

>
> NR could have it's own Roman podcast. How
>>> does that sound? It's
>>> something that could be done as collective effort by
>>> our citizens.
>>
>>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Benjamin A. Okopnik" <ben@l...> wrote:

> >
> > I'm running Ubuntu GNU/Linux and just installed KLatin through the
> > Synaptic package manager. A couple of clicks and the app was
> > downloaded, installed and now appears in my

Applications/Edutainment menu.

>
> [grin] What - you didn't have to run to the store, stand in line, argue
> with salespeople, pay lots of money, agree to shrink-wrap EULAs, scan
> for viruses or spyware, return scratched CDs, fight over refunds... none
> of that?

No I didn't. Does anyone actually do that? If so I wonder why?

> Seems almost unfair. :)
>

Hmm... some people seem to think so... [ridens]

>
> Vale,
> Caius Minucius Scaevola
>

optime vale, Caie

M. Gladius Agricola

M.Hortensia Flaviae Tulliae spd;
oh you are too witty: The Prime Directive! *feels dizzy* ' debeo
latine loqui' 'debeo latine loqui...
Actually that's really brilliant Flavia Tullia. Can't wait
till I'm good enough to join in with you all,
optime vale amica
Marca Hortensia Maior
and go through the entire book, slowly a section a week.

> > just brainstorming
>
> Sounds good. We could also have a roundtable, or some such

thing upon

> occasion, with us graduates of the Assimil course following our

instructor's

> Prime Directive--perhaps with said instructor in attendance.

(Dixit AGGA:

> sine lingua, Nova Roma mera lusio est...)
>
> > bene vale in pace deorum
> > Marca Hortensia Maior
>
> Valete,
>
> Flavia
>
>
>
> >
> > NR could have it's own Roman podcast. How
> >>> does that sound? It's
> >>> something that could be done as collective effort by
> >>> our citizens.
> >>
> >>

Salvete amicae et amici,

Next weekend me and my family are going to Mallorca for holidays, and
then I plan to visit the ruins of Pollenca/Pollentia. I am happy to
share this with you: did you know that in the Roman times Pollentia
was
the place where the best and most popular togas were made???

Karolina

Salvete,

I will be on the NR chat room for a little while where I can answer any
question related to Rogatorial aor Censorial business, or anything else
really ;-)

Valete

C. Moravius Laureatus Armoricus
Rogator
Scriba Censoris

AMERICA AUSTRORIENTALIS EDICTUM XXII 2758-7

Edictum propraetoricum 2758-7 about Appointment of Curator Anarei

I, Marcus Vitellius Ligus, Propraetor of America Austrorientalis,
herby appoint

Lucius Vitellius Triarius

Curator Anarei (Scriba) of the America Austrorientalis.

This edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given under my hand, this day June 16 2758 auc, in the Consulship
of Franciscus Apulus Caesar and Gaius Popillius Laenas.

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AMERICA AUSTRORIENTALIS EDICTUM XXI

Edictum propraetoricum 2758-6 about Establishment Of Provincial Web Site

I, Marcus Vitellius Ligus, Propraetor America Austrorientalis, establish the
Provincial Web Site located at <http://austrorientalis.bravehost.com/>.

The official repository of all Provincial Edicta and other documents shall
be the Tabularium Austrorientalis on the web site.

This edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given under my hand, this day June 16 2758 auc, in the Consulship
of Franciscus Apulus Caesar and Gaius Popillius Laenas.

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G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana Gaio Equitio Cato omnibusque SPD.

Can you recommend one or two festive days in each of the months
July, August and September?

I will be holding a housewarming and would like to base it on a
Roman theme. I am looking for a Roman festive day for the theme,
with a little information about the meaning of the day. I'll choose
the day based on what seems the most appropriate festa occurring at
that time.

The Calendar posts are always very informative, but they appear on
actual day. This housewarming will take some advance planning, so
I hope to peer into the future a short way.

I am sure there are others who would be interested in a few good
excuses to party during the warm summer months.

Gratias Tibi Vobisque ago.

G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana

G. Equitius Cato G. Aureliae Falconi Silvanae S.P.D.

Salve Aurelia Silvana!

Here are a couple:

5 July: The Poplifugia, a festival in honor of Iuppiter O.M. It was a
day of feasting and celebration but the rites are not known with
certainty. Also the games called the Ludi Appolinaris, the Games of
Apollo, were celebrated this day. The Temple of Apollo in Rome was
dedicated this day.

19 July: The Lucaria; after the defeat of the Roman army by the Gauls
in 390 B.C., the survivors hid in the woods (lucus) and this day is
called the Lucaria in commemoration of the event. After the sack of
Rome the remnants of the Roman army pulled themselves together, and in
a bold surprise attack, wiped out the Gauls as they were heading out
of Latium, exacting due vengeance.

23 July: The Neptunalia; the festival which honors Neptune, the god of
the seas and water. On this day the Romans traditionally went out to
the fields and forests and built small huts called tabernaculi
(tabernacles) out of leaves and branches. Within the shade of these
natural tents they would picnic outdoors, drinking spring water as
well as wine to keep cool in these hot summer days. Overnight camping
with fires for cooking would be most likely as the festival continued
the next day. Honoring Neptune on this day would assure rainfall for
the crops and forestall any drought.

17 August: The Portunalia; a festival sacred to Portunis, an alter-ego
of the god Janus. The temple of Portunis was built at the port on the
Tiber, and This is one of thelso called the Tiberinalia, or the
festival of the Tiber river, as Portunis is the god of the Tiber.
Portunis is also known as the god of keys, or the opening of locked
gates, while as Janus he was the god of doors. On this day old keys
were burned in the hearth as a sacrificial offering.

19 August: This day was known as the Vinalia Rustica or the Vinalia
Altera. On this day the first new wine was brought into the city. This
day was a holiday specifically for the growers or kitchen-gardeners
(holitores), and feasts and wine drinking were the order of the day.

27 August: The Volturnalia; a festival dedicated to Volturnus, the
river god (of the Tiber) and an alter-ego of Janus. Volturnus was the
father of the goddess Juturna and they were both honored this day with
feasting, wine-drinking and games.

September does not have a festival of which I am aware; if anyone else
knows of one, I certainly encourage them to let me (and you!) know.

Vale opitmae,

Cato




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana"
<silvanatextrix@g...> wrote:

> G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana Gaio Equitio Cato omnibusque SPD.
>
> Can you recommend one or two festive days in each of the months
> July, August and September?
>
> I will be holding a housewarming and would like to base it on a
> Roman theme. I am looking for a Roman festive day for the theme,
> with a little information about the meaning of the day. I'll choose
> the day based on what seems the most appropriate festa occurring at
> that time.
>
> The Calendar posts are always very informative, but they appear on
> actual day. This housewarming will take some advance planning, so
> I hope to peer into the future a short way.
>
> I am sure there are others who would be interested in a few good
> excuses to party during the warm summer months.
>
> Gratias Tibi Vobisque ago.
>
> G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana

Salvete,

I will be on vacation from the 23 of june to the 13 of july. I will be able from time to
time to check this email: scipio_apollonius@...
I am reachable as well on the +33 6 2392 2628

Valete,


Sextus Apollonius Scipio

Propraetor Galliae

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Salvete;

I will be at Pagan Spirit Gathering from June 17th until June 26th. Anyone
who needs to contact me should send a private e-mail to me and I will respond
when I return.

Additionally, I will be conducting a public Rite of Offering to Pomona at
PSG.

Valete;

Gaius Modius Athanasius


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A. Apollonius C. Aureliae omnibusque sal.

Another good one to remember is that the birthday of
King Servius Tullius is celebrated on the Nones of
every month (they knew he was born on the Nones, but
they didn't know which month, so they celebrated it
every month). Good if you want a party in the first
week of any given month.

The Nones are as follows:

5th Jan.
5th Feb.
7th Mar.
5th Apr.
7th Maj.
5th Jun.
7th Quin.
5th Sex.
5th Sep.
7th Oct.
5th Nov.
5th Dec.





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Salvete, omnes:

Just ran across these "Roman" comics by the two-time Pulitzer prize
winner David Horsey of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/empirerising/

Hilarious and well-drawn, although some may not agree with the politics
behind it.


Valete,
Caius Minucius Scaevola
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Fortune favours the brave.
-- Vergil, "Aenis"

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Salvete,
I have a couple of Latin questions perhaps someone could provide an answer to.
I have seen the phrases "Salve in pace deorum" and also "Salve in pacem
deorum"
Which is correct - pace or pacem?
What would be the correct way to translate the phrase "Return (or revival) of
the Peace of the Gods" in Latin?
"Pax Deorum Resurgens" or "Resurgens Pacis Deorum" or "Redux Pacis Deorum" ?
I would appreciate any opinions on this
Thanks.
Valete,
John Carlson


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Flavia Tullia Scholastica quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque omnibus,
praesertim Ioanni filio Caroli S.P.D.

> Salvete,
> I have a couple of Latin questions perhaps someone could provide an answer to.
> I have seen the phrases "Salve in pace deorum" and also "Salve in pacem
> deorum"
> Which is correct - pace or pacem?

"In pace" is correct. "In pacem" would mean "into peace" (an unlikely
construction)--it's the accusative case of "pax," "peace," whereas "pace" is
the ablative case. The preposition "in" is used with either the ablative or
the accusative, but with a difference of meaning. "In" with the ablative
indicates location in, or on, whereas "in" with the accusative signifies
motion into or onto the object of "in." Since peace is an abstract quality,
it is rather unlikely that one could physically move into or onto
it...especially not in Latin.

I've seen 'vale (bene) in pace deorum,' but I must confess that I've
never seen 'salve in pace deorum.'

> What would be the correct way to translate the phrase "Return (or revival) of
> the Peace of the Gods" in Latin?
> "Pax Deorum Resurgens" or "Resurgens Pacis Deorum" or "Redux Pacis Deorum" ?
> I would appreciate any opinions on this

"Resurgens" is the nominative singular (all three genders) of the
present participle of the verb "resurgo, resurgere, resurrexi, resurrectus,"
"rise, get up, rise again, spring up again, be restored." "Redux" means
"that leads or brings back home, usually of gods," "return, especially from
war, exile, etc., returning." The former is an adjective, not a noun, and
wouldn't work in this context, and the second seems to be unusual in the
high classical period, though Cicero uses it with a rather different meaning
from the one you seem to intend. I would be inclined to say "reditus pacis
deorum" or "renovatio pacis deorum." ('reditus' means 'return,' 'renovatio'
means 'revival,' 'renewal,' with the special meaning of 'renewal of a debt,
with interest added to the principal, amounting to compound interest.')

> Thanks.

Flocci est.

> Valete,
> John Carlson
>

Vale, et valete,

Flavia Tullia Scholastica
Classicist
Interpres Linguae Latinae

>

>
>
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>

kris, this is all you.
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <ben@...>
wrote:

> Salvete, omnes:
>
> Just ran across these "Roman" comics by the two-time

Pulitzer prize

> winner David Horsey of the Seattle

Post-Intelligencer:

>
> http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/horsey/empirerising/
>
> Hilarious and well-drawn, although some may not

agree with the politics

> behind it.
>
>
> Valete,
> Caius Minucius Scaevola
>

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> Audentis fortuna iuvat.
> Fortune favours the brave.
> -- Vergil, "Aenis"

S P Q R

Fidelis Ad Mortem.

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Scripsisti:

> 19 July: The Lucaria; after the defeat of the Roman army by the Gauls
> in 390 B.C., the survivors hid in the woods (lucus) and this day is
> called the Lucaria in commemoration of the event. After the sack of
> Rome the remnants of the Roman army pulled themselves together, and

in

> a bold surprise attack, wiped out the Gauls as they were heading out
> of Latium, exacting due vengeance.
>

From where did you receive this explanation?

There are two days to the Lucaria, 19 and 21 July. This was a
ritualized clearing of a grove that lay between the Via Salaria and
the River Tiber. Lucaria refers to "letting in the light" into a wood
or thicket. This was done by uprooting saplings and by cutting down
larger trees to the roots, the two different methods employed on the
two different days of the festival respectively. The cleared material
was burned on each day. Such work would normally be regarded as
violating the sacred grove. But just as Vestalia was a special
occasion relaxing normal rules, in order to clean out the Temple of
Vesta, and this was also done in a ritualized manner, the Lucaria
would seem to have been such an exception to the normal rule of that
grove. It makes sense, too, that this it was done in July, as a way
to prevent fires. That kind of work, in that sort of location, would
have required special sacrifices to propitiate the geni locii, just as
is recorded for the sacred grove of Dea Dia on the Actum Fratrum
Arvalum and with Cato in De Agricultura 139-140. Thus from whence it
turned into a festival.

The Dies Alliensis of 18 July marked the defeat of the Roman army on
the River Allia by the Gauls in 390 BCE. it was a dies ater, so
nothing was allowed to begin on that day. I could see where someone
may have tried to connect the Dies Alliensis and Lucaria, - I do not
think I'd agree - but I had never heard that story before. So where is
this story found?

Vale optime
M Horatius Piscinus

Te saluto

> I have seen the phrases "Salve in pace deorum" and also "Salve in pacem
> deorum"
> Which is correct - pace or pacem?

in pace deorum

> What would be the correct way to translate the phrase "Return (or revival) of
> the Peace of the Gods" in Latin?
> "Pax Deorum Resurgens" or "Resurgens Pacis Deorum" or "Redux Pacis Deorum" ?

I would say: reditus pacis deorum


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G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana Gaio Equitio Cato, A. Apollonio Cordo,
Marco Horatio Piscino omnibusque SPD.

Thank you all for your responses and the information about summer
festival possibilities. Gratias Vobis ago.

At the moment, I'm torn between July 23's Neptunalia (because I
live in a town with a significant deep-sea port); and 27 August's
Volturnalia (because our port sits at the mouth of a river).

Then there's August 17's Portunalia honoring the god of the Tiber
River (there's the river again), which also happens to fall on what
is called Discovery Day in the region where I was born. Choices,
choices.

I hope some of our other cives will pick a day or two from this
list to create an appropriate gathering. Please let us all know
what you're doing. Could we start a trend?

Valete bene in pace deorum.

G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana

ref: messages 35835, 35838, 35844

G. Equitius Cato M. Horatio Piscino S.P.D.

Salve Horatius Piscinus!

It is culled from several sources, and I believe that a combination of
explanations is probably most likely: The festival of the Lucaria was
held in a grove (lucus) between the Tiber and one of the roads that
ran north from Rome --- the Via Salaria. The grove was where the
Romans had hidden from the Gauls when they sacked Rome around 390 B.C.
The Dies Alliensis of 18 July, is indeed a dies ater, because the
defeat was so abhorrent in the memory of the Romans, and the Lucaria
most likely became a way of exorcizing that grievous memory --- much
as the "grief" of Lent is lightened by the season of Easter following.
The ritualized cutting down of some of the trees that gave shelter to
the Romans is not unlike the sacrificing and eating of an animal
sacred to a particular god or goddess in their honor.

But I will, in fact, dig as deeply as I can so that when the actual
date comes, my calendrical information will be as complete and
accurate as possible.

Vale bene,

Cato

G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana Karolinae omnibusque SPD


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Karolina" <karolina.sjodin@t...>
wrote:

> I have heard it all............tossing the Christians to the

lions,the habit to expose unwanted,handicapped children(Claudius
was allowed to live,wasn´t he?) but still i don´t find any neuroses
and unwholesome ideas of sin and guilt among them.

(That makes me wonder what if Christianity were a parenthesis in
history?)

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Karolina, I hope you don't mind my picking up a theme from your
post. You touched on a topic that is one of the stated objectives
of this board, namely the discussion and promotion of Religio
Romana. Because that is so, perhaps we can discuss aspects that
contrast Religio Romana and Christianity more frankly here than
elsewhere.

This will be a long post. I am taking at Nova Roma at its word,
that this type of discussion is appropriate for the board, and
will be very interested in any comments.

It is the outcome of an exploration that has resolved in a few
months, issues that have plagued me for years, without my being
able to articulate a solution.

Like many, as an adult I came to question much of what I was
taught growing up as a Christian. As an adult, I've spent a
long period defining myself as a humanist and a Stoic in the
Roman meaning of the word, without adhering to any organized
religion. I respect whatever belief system another may follow,
provided that belief is based on an informed, freely made choice.

Some of the books I've been reading recently have clarified issues
that have made me uneasy for a very long time. They have helped me
understand why I am (surprisingly, to me) comfortable with Religio
Romana.

(HPL = A HISTORY OF PRIVATE LIFE, Volume I)

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"In the ancient world religious people were as tolerant of one
another as are Hindu sects. To take a special interest in one
god was not to deny the others." (HPL, p. 209)

"If an established church is a 'one-party state,' then paganism
was 'free enterprise.' Each man was free to found his own temple
and preach whatever god he liked, just as he might open an inn or
peddle a new product. And each man made himself the cient of
whichever god he chose, not necessarily his city's favorite deity:
the choice was free." (ibid, p. 208)

It is this happy, eclectic, anarchic state that really appeals to
me. Just for emphasis, ***"the choice was free."*** This implies
a trust in human nature to find a suitable way, freely and
independently, to fit into the universal scheme of things.
It is a very positive approach. I find it quite different from
systems of belief that threaten punishment or excommnication if
the believer varies from doctrine, even in honest exploration of
that dogma.

And somehow, they all coexisted. So my own wee domus, for example,
can choose an Egyptian, a Greek, a Dane ... and two Roman deities.

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It took me a few months to notice that the "Roman Virtues" do not
include . . . Humilitas!

I've always been troubled by the way Humility is stressed as a
dominant Christian virtue. I was always left with feelings of
subservience and servility. Yet I was also taught that human
beings were created "in the image of God." I could never
reconcile these two sides of the religious coin. Where was
Dignitas in this picture?

Paul Veyne, in A HISTORY OF PRIVATE LIFE (V.I), writes,

"Pagans of sound mind rejected still another model of divine
relations: the servile model. The man who constantly trembled
with fear at the thought of the gods, as though they were
capricious and cruel masters, projected an image unworthy of
the gods and unworthy of a free man. Such fear of the gods
(deisidaimonia) was what the Romans meant by 'superstition.'
They left it to the Oriental masses, accustomed to bow down to
potentates, to conceive of piety as a matter of declaring oneself
the slave or servant of a god. At bottom the classical relation
between man and god was noble and free, one of admiration."
(ibid, p. 211)

I can't tell you how refreshing and liberating I found that passage.

Marcus Aurelius Antoninus touches on this too:
"A prayer of the Athenians: Rain, rain, O dear Zeus, down on
the plowed fields of the Athenians and on the plains.--In truth
we ought not to pray at all, or we ought to pray in this simple
and noble fashion." (Meditations, Chapter V, # VII)

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Where do such opposite approaches to communication with the deity
come from?

In A HISTORY OF PRIVATE LIFE, Vol. I, Paul Veyne explains it this way:

"For the three religions of the Book, God is infinitely greater
than the world which he created. He exists solely as an actor in
a cosmic drama in which the salvation of humankind is played out.
The pagan gods, by contrast, live their lives and are not confined
to a metaphysical role. They are part of the world, one of three
races that populate the earth: animals, which are neither immortal
nor gifted with reason; humans, who are mortal but reasonable;
and gods, who are immortal and reasonable. So true is it that the
divine race is an animal genus that every god is either male or
female. From this is follows that the gods of all peoples are
true gods."
(HPL, p. 208)

"Imagine a circle, which represents the world according to the
religions of the Book. Given man's importance in the cosmic drama,
he occupies at least half the circle. What about God? He is so
exalted, so awesome, that he remains far above the circle. To
represent Him, draw an arrow, pointing upward from the center
of the circle and mark it with the sign of infinity. Now consider
the pagan world. Imagine a sort of staircase with three steps.
On the lowest step stand the animals; on the next step, humans,
and on the third step, the gods. In order to become a god, one
did not need to rise very far. The gods stood just above humans,
so that it often makes sense to translate the Latin and Greek
words for "divine" as "superhuman."
(HPL, p. 209)

The deities of domus Aurelia Falconis include one mythic human who is
sometimes honored as a deity by others.

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I leave you with Karolina's book recommendation.

Vale, et valete in pace deorum.

G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana

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Quotations are from:

Veyne, Paul [ed.], A HISTORY OF PRIVATE LIFE, Vol. I: FROM PAGAN
ROME TO BYZANTIUM. The Belknap Press of Harvard University Press,
Cambridge, USA, 1987.

Marcus Aurelius Antoninus, MEDITATIONS. Translated by George Long.*
Book-of-the-Month Club, NY 1996.

* (Long also includes a wonderful closing chapter on the life of
Marcus Aurelius.)

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In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Karolina" <karolina.sjodin@t...> wrote:

>
> It´s so often I´m able to draw parallels between Roman and

contemporanean history that I´ve come to realize I have to learn
more.

>
> My book for the week : "The Romans and their gods" by R M Ogilvie.

Highly interesting.

>
> Valete.
> Karolina
>

AVETE OMNES

The Conventus Novae Romae, the International Nova Roma Rally, is
getting closer!
It will take place in Rome from August 4th to 10th. It will be a
wonderful opportunity to visit the Eternal City and to meet
Novaromans from all over the world!
All information can be found at the official website:
http://italia.novaroma.org/conventus2758

Participants will stay at Hotel Michigan, right in the centre of the
city. There is still a room with four citizens where two more beds
might be added, therefore should two more citizens wish to attend
the Conventus we can still find accommodation at our hotel for sure.
Apart from these two beds, we can no longer assure that there will
be other rooms at Hotel Michigan, but you can ask.
Of course, staying at Hotel Michigan is not compulsory: you can
still decide to attend the Conventus and find your own accommodation
in Rome. We in Provincia Italia might help you in this.

This is the provisional list of participants:

-Franciscus Apulus Caesar (Italia)
-Marcus Iulius Perusianus (Italia)
-Lucius Iulius Sulla (Italia)
-Aurelia Iulia Pulchra (Italia)
-Manius Constantinus Serapio (Italia)
-Domitius Constantinus Fuscus (Italia)
-Quintus Fabius Allectus (Italia)
-Alexander Solaris Draco (Italia)
-Sempronia Solaria Messalina (Italia)
-Aelius Solaris Marullinus (Italia)
-Marcus Quirinus Sulla (Italia)
-Lucius Quirinus Vesta (Italia)
-Gnaeus Salvius Astur (Hispania)
-Marcus Flavius Drusus (Hispania)
-Publius Aelius Baeticus Pertinax (Hispania)
-Marcus Aelius Baeticus Octavianus (Hispania)
-Ennia Durmia Gemina (Hispania)
-Marianus Adrianus Sarus (Hispania)
-Gaius Adrianus Sergius (Hispania)
-Lucius Minicius Laietanus (Hispania)
-Marcus Prometheus Decius Golia (Dacia)
-Gaius Prometheus Dacicus (Dacia)
-Salvia Marcia Severa (Dacia)
-Titus Iulius Sabinus Crassus (Dacia)
-Aula Arria Carina (Dacia)
-Titus Iulius Sabinus (Dacia)
-Gaia Fabia Livia (Britannia)
-Aulus Apollonius Cordus (Britannia)
-Gaius Moravius Laureatus Armoricus (Britannia)
-Iohannes Moravius Meridius (Britannia)
-Decimus Gladius Lupus (Hibernia)
-Vibia Ulpia Aestiva (Germania)
-Publius Memmius Albucius (Gallia)
-Gaius Equitius Cato (Mediatlantica)
-Marcus Gladius Agricola (Asia Orientalis)

OPTIME VALETE
Manivs Constantinvs Serapio
Propraetor Italiae

G. Equitius Cato G. Aureliae Falconi Silvanae Karolinae quiritibusque
S.P.D.

Salve Aurelia Silvana et salvete omnes!

I'll preface this by saying this is exactly the kind of thoughtful
opening to a discussion of such a ... tender ... subject that lends
itself to real philisophical intercourse.

As I said during the elections, I once approached the whole
Christian/non-Christian dichotomy with a fairly unyeilding view of
non-Christians. Odd, perhaps, for someone who joined a res publica
one of whose foundations is the ancient religio of pre-Christian Rome
--- but then I have never been surprised to have myself described as
"odd" --- or much worse :-)

Since becoming a citizen, my feelings regarding paganism, and the
religio in particular, have evolved to a great degree; I still,
without hesitation, believe that my religio privata is the way by
which the *fullest* expression of the Divine is possible, but I have
also come to realize that faith, of whatever stripe, can not help but
lead to the Divine --- and I believe that the Divine recognizes and
honors all attempts by truly spiritual persons to approach It.

Now, particulars:

Aurelia Silvana, you wrote (quoting "The History of Private Life")
concerning dignitas:

"They left it to the Oriental masses, accustomed to bow down to
potentates, to conceive of piety as a matter of declaring oneself
the slave or servant of a god. At bottom the classical relation
between man and god was noble and free, one of admiration." -
(HPA, p. 211)

The key to understanding the Christian concept of dignitas, in
conjunction with humilitas, is exactly as Veyne mentions, the concept
of the "otherness" of God --- the idea that He is utterly and
completely seperate from His creation, which is "everything made that
was made". Christians believe that, having been created in His image
we are, although a part of His creation, endowed with certain
abilities and qualities --- most importantly, unlike all other created
things, a soul --- that set us apart from the rest of creation. Our
dignitas is borne of the idea that God Himself chose to endow us with
these qualities, and that we stand amidst the created order, over
which we have been given *guardianship* or *stewardship* (note: NOT
OWNERSHIP), as a reflection of His glory. It is reflected glory, yes
--- but then the very dignitas, auctoritas and imperium of our own
magistrates is merely the reflection of the glory and power of the
People of the res publica, is it not? So having as the source of our
(human) dignitas the reflection of something so much greater is not
necessarily unRoman, or contrary to a Roman way of thought.

Once that key understanding is in place --- that man is a reflection
of the nobility and glory of God --- then the idea of humilitas makes
more sense, and without injuring the sense of dignitas as I've
expressed it. It is a relic of medieval Roman Catholic theology
(actually beginning with St. Augustine of Hippo) that forms your
understanding of humilitas as degrading and, well, humiliating. The
Eastern Church has always held quite a different understanding of
humilitas: it is more the idea of awe and thankfulness to our creator
for His majesty and love, than a groveling, sniveling,
beating-about-the-head-and-shoulders kind of thought process so
prevalent in the Middle Ages. The contrast is striking: gazing upon
Christ Crucified, the Eastern Church sees the Creator and Redeemer
enthroned in majesty upon the Life-giving Tree; the Western Church
produces a body of expression which can culminate in the solemn misery
of the "Stabat Mater" or the garishness of "The Passion of the Christ"
and the excesses of Spanish statuary, where every orifice is dripping
(or gushing) blood.

In the Eastern understanding, man is still glorious, and a reflection
of the great power and wisdom and love of the Divine --- and the
ultimate end of mankind is its own deification: whereby our very
nature is transformed to become like the nature of God Himself.

eek. I've got lots more to say (surprise), but that's a foundational
start :-)

Valete bene,

Cato

Salve, Karolina

Welcome to Nova Roma!
I, myself, will make a whole year here next month.
Q. Fabius Maximus was asking a rhetorical question .... I think. If not, please forgive me, Fabius Maximus. In any case, Karolina, I don't think you have to pay any taxes till next April since you are new.
There was some discussion about the paying of taxes by newbies a short time ago; then, it just seemed to fade away. They'll get back to us eventually, I'm sure.
In the meantime, please check out all the other lists of Nova Roma, in particular the Conventusmatronarum, at www.groups.yahoo.com./group/conventusmatronarum, a list for the ladies of Nova Roma, which roars to life on occasion. :)

Bene vale

Maxima Valeria Messallina

P.S. Please note also, Fabius Maximus, that I didn't join Nova Roma to take "advantage" of anyone, and I don't think Karolina did either. She was merely commenting on the high level of expertise among the members on all things Roman . I gather it was meant as a compliment. Let's not scare our newly joined members away.


Karolina <karolina.sjodin@...> wrote:

I agree with Valeria Messalina. I`ve been a part of this community hardly a week, and already I have learnt very much about the Romans that I didn´t know before. The collected scholarship here should impress even a Pliny:))

QFabiusMaxmi@... wrote:

<In a message dated 6/14/2005 1:44:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, karolina.sjodin@... writes:
I agree with Valeria Messalina. I`ve been a part of this community hardly a week, and already I have learnt very much about the Romans that I didn´t know before. The collected scholarship here should impress even a Pliny:))>

Exactly. So why do not the citizens pay their dues, after taken such advantage of the members here? I get about 12 requests about the Roman military and religio a day. If I received a dollar an answer, that'd be 12 dollars a day.
Instead, we volunteer our time, expertise and knowledge for free. I confess I agree with Caesar's frustration and bewilderment.

Q. Fabius Maximus




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If I may add here. The Christianity that came to be normative developed as
the religion was spreading under difficulties and further during a century of
unrest when the organised Church was one institution it was possible to rely
on. Even then, people often turned to 'yogins' like the Eremites and Stylites
for oracular advice. In its early years, some churchmen obviously wanted a
strong centralised structure obedient to its bishops. That may originally have
been a necessary discipline on the way to greater understanding of what it
meant, rather than of belief in historical events. The result is that the other
more mystical initiatory groups collectively styled Gnostic by the believers
came to be expelled. Some of these were hostile to pagan gods, seeing them as
demonic, others saw them as lesser emanations of The Unknowable (remember Paul
preached at the pagan Unknowable God's Athenian Altar to say that as the Christ
It could be known), and only to remain fixated on them an ignorance.
Vibius Ambrosius Caesariensis.

> G. Equitius Cato G. Aureliae Falconi Silvanae Karolinae quiritibusque
> S.P.D.
>
> Salve Aurelia Silvana et salvete omnes!
>
> I'll preface this by saying this is exactly the kind of thoughtful
> opening to a discussion of such a ... tender ... subject that lends
> itself to real philisophical intercourse.
>
> As I said during the elections, I once approached the whole
> Christian/non-Christian dichotomy with a fairly unyeilding view of
> non-Christians. Odd, perhaps, for someone who joined a res publica
> one of whose foundations is the ancient religio of pre-Christian Rome
> --- but then I have never been surprised to have myself described as
> "odd" --- or much worse :-)
>
> Since becoming a citizen, my feelings regarding paganism, and the
> religio in particular, have evolved to a great degree; I still,
> without hesitation, believe that my religio privata is the way by
> which the *fullest* expression of the Divine is possible, but I have
> also come to realize that faith, of whatever stripe, can not help but
> lead to the Divine --- and I believe that the Divine recognizes and
> honors all attempts by truly spiritual persons to approach It.
>
> Now, particulars:
>
> Aurelia Silvana, you wrote (quoting "The History of Private Life")
> concerning dignitas:
>
> "They left it to the Oriental masses, accustomed to bow down to
> potentates, to conceive of piety as a matter of declaring oneself
> the slave or servant of a god. At bottom the classical relation
> between man and god was noble and free, one of admiration." -
> (HPA, p. 211)
>
> The key to understanding the Christian concept of dignitas, in
> conjunction with humilitas, is exactly as Veyne mentions, the concept
> of the "otherness" of God --- the idea that He is utterly and
> completely seperate from His creation, which is "everything made that
> was made". Christians believe that, having been created in His image
> we are, although a part of His creation, endowed with certain
> abilities and qualities --- most importantly, unlike all other created
> things, a soul --- that set us apart from the rest of creation. Our
> dignitas is borne of the idea that God Himself chose to endow us with
> these qualities, and that we stand amidst the created order, over
> which we have been given *guardianship* or *stewardship* (note: NOT
> OWNERSHIP), as a reflection of His glory. It is reflected glory, yes
> --- but then the very dignitas, auctoritas and imperium of our own
> magistrates is merely the reflection of the glory and power of the
> People of the res publica, is it not? So having as the source of our
> (human) dignitas the reflection of something so much greater is not
> necessarily unRoman, or contrary to a Roman way of thought.
>
> Once that key understanding is in place --- that man is a reflection
> of the nobility and glory of God --- then the idea of humilitas makes
> more sense, and without injuring the sense of dignitas as I've
> expressed it. It is a relic of medieval Roman Catholic theology
> (actually beginning with St. Augustine of Hippo) that forms your
> understanding of humilitas as degrading and, well, humiliating. The
> Eastern Church has always held quite a different understanding of
> humilitas: it is more the idea of awe and thankfulness to our creator
> for His majesty and love, than a groveling, sniveling,
> beating-about-the-head-and-shoulders kind of thought process so
> prevalent in the Middle Ages. The contrast is striking: gazing upon
> Christ Crucified, the Eastern Church sees the Creator and Redeemer
> enthroned in majesty upon the Life-giving Tree; the Western Church
> produces a body of expression which can culminate in the solemn misery
> of the "Stabat Mater" or the garishness of "The Passion of the Christ"
> and the excesses of Spanish statuary, where every orifice is dripping
> (or gushing) blood.
>
> In the Eastern understanding, man is still glorious, and a reflection
> of the great power and wisdom and love of the Divine --- and the
> ultimate end of mankind is its own deification: whereby our very
> nature is transformed to become like the nature of God Himself.
>
> eek. I've got lots more to say (surprise), but that's a foundational
> start :-)
>
> Valete bene,
>
> Cato
>
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