Ex Officio Censoris Senioris Caesonis Fabii Buteo Quintiliani

Edictum Censoris CFBQ XXXII about the General Censorial report of
2757 and the Censorial change of duties

I have together with the Rogatores and my Scribae worked on a General
Censorial Report for 2757. Due to some uncontrollable circumstances
it has been impossible to publish the report until now. It is my
intention to give all citizens an idea about what the work as Censor
or in the Censorial Cohort is or has been. Further it also is my
intention to give all citizens an idea how Nova Roma has developed
during 2757 looking through the eyes of a Censor (and his Cohors) who
mostly was a single Censor.

I. The General Censorial Report may be found on:

http://www.hanenberg-media-webdesign.com/cohors/report_2757.htm

II. Between the 1st of January 2757 and until the 30th of June 2758 I
have been totally responsible for all citizens applications and from
the 1st of January 2758 until the 30th of June also responsible for
the creation of and implementation of the (new) citizens test. From
the 1st of July my colleague Censor Gnaeus Equitius Marinus has taken
over the responsibility for the citizens applications and tests.

III. From the 1st of July until the end of the year I will mainly be
responsible for the Nova Roman Census of 2758 instead.

IV. Further I have some other Censorial work going on like a Censor's
Handbook, research of historical Gentes and research of and listing
of of all new domii, familii and pater familias.

V. Please visit my Cohors web-site as it contains many good texts and
articles, among them a FAQ for citizenship:

http://www.hanenberg-media-webdesign.com/cohors/quaestiones_responsaque.htm

VI. The full Cohors web-site at us found at:

http://www.hanenberg-media-webdesign.com/cohors/index_uk.htm

VI. This Edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given the 1st of July, in the year of the Consulship of Franciscus
Apulus Caesar and Gaius. Popillius Laenas, 2758 AUC.

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
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Cohors Censoris CFQ
http://www.hanenberg-media-webdesign.com/cohors/index_uk.htm
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

SALVETE !

I want to thank, in the name of the citizens from my area, for the wonderful work of the Illustrus Quintilianus' Cohors. For us, like a new province, the cohors help was very important. All was easy with the advices of that wonderful novaromani.
My special gratitude for Marcella Martiana who was with us from the beginning, and I hope, she will be in the next time,too.
All our respect, friends.
A lot of succeses for the Illustrus Equitus Marinus' cohors.

OPTIME VALE,
IVL SABINVS
Dacia Province.

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus <christer.edling@...> wrote:
Ex Officio Censoris Senioris Caesonis Fabii Buteo Quintiliani

Edictum Censoris CFBQ XXXII about the General Censorial report of
2757 and the Censorial change of duties


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Salvete omnes,

Much as I have praised the movie industry for setting a spark that
might ignite someone's interest in ancient history, I still have a
problem with those in the industry who try to transfer modern
thought and late 20th century human philosophy and values to life in
the ancient world. As one of our citizens pointed out a few months
ago, the concept of human rights didn't even start materializing
until the 18th century.

One concept that movies forget is that Rome was not some terrible
invader like the mongols, nazis etc. They were first in countries as
vistors, merchants, traders etc and quite often they were asked to
be mediators, asked for military advice, advisors etc. until they
got drawn into a situation more and more, somewhat like NATO and the
Warsaw Pact did in our times. Films seem to forget this and portray
Rome as a tyrannical monster.

Another peeve I have is the way classic works of literature are
altered. Take for example the " War Of The Worlds " now released.
It is sad how in the name of artistic licence the jist of a book
happens to go way off track. Sorry to get a little off topic but as
an analogy this new version of HG Well's is a good example. The
theme of the attack will be analgous to modern terrorism 911 and
all. However Well's fans know he was a Fabian Party ( early
socialist) member and the book was written as a lesson of the
effects of a technological imperial power (The Victorian British
Empire) crushing a hunter-gatherer type people in Tasmania and how
that superiorpower would feel if they got the same treatment from an
outside force from Mars who had a bigger stick.

I'd much rather films stick with the main context of the books and
the reflections of the social values of their particular time periods
as well as not altering the original make up of the characters.

Regards,

Michael Kelly










--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina
<violetphearsen@y...> wrote:

> QFabiusMaxmi@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/22/2005 8:44:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

violetphearsen@y... writes:

> <However, last night I saw another promo for something

called "Rome" ( ! ), which is to be aired on HBO sometime this
summer.>

>
> The Rome miniseries covers the end of the Republic, and the rise

of Octavius as Augustus transforming it into a monarchy again.

>
> Rather depressing to watch.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus.
>
> Salve, Q. Fabius Maximus
>
> Yes, I would have to agree. That would be depressing to watch.
> Gee, you think with "Rome" as the title, it would be about, well,

Rome, i.e., how it was founded, the glory that was Rome, etc.

> Nuts!
>
> Bene vale
>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
>
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Salvete omnes,

People seem to forget the Pax Romana, well meant just that. It's a bad example but there is a wonderful quip about that in Monty Python's the LIfe of Brian.

People also seem to forget how many good government and social policies have roots in Rome...

We can but remind them all.

Bene vale,
Gaia Iulia Felix
Asia Occidentalis

----- Original Message -----
From: Quintus Lanius Paulinus (Michael Kelly)
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, July 01, 2005 10:41 PM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: "Rome" on HBO


Salvete omnes,

Much as I have praised the movie industry for setting a spark that
might ignite someone's interest in ancient history, I still have a
problem with those in the industry who try to transfer modern
thought and late 20th century human philosophy and values to life in
the ancient world. As one of our citizens pointed out a few months
ago, the concept of human rights didn't even start materializing
until the 18th century.

One concept that movies forget is that Rome was not some terrible
invader like the mongols, nazis etc. They were first in countries as
vistors, merchants, traders etc and quite often they were asked to
be mediators, asked for military advice, advisors etc. until they
got drawn into a situation more and more, somewhat like NATO and the
Warsaw Pact did in our times. Films seem to forget this and portray
Rome as a tyrannical monster.

Another peeve I have is the way classic works of literature are
altered. Take for example the " War Of The Worlds " now released.
It is sad how in the name of artistic licence the jist of a book
happens to go way off track. Sorry to get a little off topic but as
an analogy this new version of HG Well's is a good example. The
theme of the attack will be analgous to modern terrorism 911 and
all. However Well's fans know he was a Fabian Party ( early
socialist) member and the book was written as a lesson of the
effects of a technological imperial power (The Victorian British
Empire) crushing a hunter-gatherer type people in Tasmania and how
that superiorpower would feel if they got the same treatment from an
outside force from Mars who had a bigger stick.

I'd much rather films stick with the main context of the books and
the reflections of the social values of their particular time periods
as well as not altering the original make up of the characters.

Regards,

Michael Kelly










--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina
<violetphearsen@y...> wrote:
> QFabiusMaxmi@a... wrote:
>
> In a message dated 6/22/2005 8:44:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
violetphearsen@y... writes:
> <However, last night I saw another promo for something
called "Rome" ( ! ), which is to be aired on HBO sometime this
summer.>
>
> The Rome miniseries covers the end of the Republic, and the rise
of Octavius as Augustus transforming it into a monarchy again.
>
> Rather depressing to watch.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus.
>
> Salve, Q. Fabius Maximus
>
> Yes, I would have to agree. That would be depressing to watch.
> Gee, you think with "Rome" as the title, it would be about, well,
Rome, i.e., how it was founded, the glory that was Rome, etc.
> Nuts!
>
> Bene vale
>
> Maxima Valeria Messallina
>
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Salve Romans

A year or two ago some of us started a NR Book club at yahoo and I was wonder what the status of NRBC is?

Should we start it up again and pick one or two books to read and discuss this summer?

Vale

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Salvete Tiberi Pauline et omnes,

What is the yahoo address;
I'll check it out.

Regards,

QLP




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<spqr753@m...> wrote:

> Salve Romans
>
> A year or two ago some of us started a NR Book club at yahoo and

I was wonder what the status of NRBC is?

>
> Should we start it up again and pick one or two books to read and

discuss this summer?

>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Salve

I just spent an hour looking at all the NR related sites and Idid not see it and I can't remember the address

I think we need a new one for the book club

BTW as we are at the 1/2 way point in the year are you going to run for anything in the fall??? We should get a slate with people from all points of view and run as a team.

Vale
Tiberius

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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 1:28 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Re: Nova Roma Book Club/discussion group


Salvete Tiberi Pauline et omnes,

What is the yahoo address;
I'll check it out.

Regards,

QLP




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> Salve Romans
>
> A year or two ago some of us started a NR Book club at yahoo and
I was wonder what the status of NRBC is?
>
> Should we start it up again and pick one or two books to read and
discuss this summer?
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
>
>
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Salve!

Yes, I watched the production "Empire". I have these few thoughts
about the show. On the positive side the costuming (womens tunics
should cover more of the arms) and sets did not take away from the
story line and the acting, while stilted, did depict the main
characters as I would have imagined them. On the negative side the
story line regarding Octavius is not as history tells us as the man
who would become Augustus Caesar was a very savvy 18 year old at the
time of his uncle's assassination and was matching wits with Marc
Anthony and the Senate.

The acting, costuming, and sets, from this production reminded me of
the miniseries "Julius Caesar" which was telecast a few years back
and that rekindled my interest in all things Roma.

I am looking forward to HBO's "Rome" series this fall.

As this is my first post please forgive any irregularities.

Bene vale,
Zoe

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Maxima Valeria Messallina
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> Salve!
>
> Well, I just saw "The Empire Strikes Back".....oh, wait a minute -

wrong movie. Sorry about that.

> As I was saying, I saw the first part of "Empire" tonight, and once

I got past the preposterous script and the stale acting, it wasn't
too bad.

> The costumes looked good and the fight scenes were believable, to a

point.

> Of course, what I enjoyed most is seeing the recreation of Rome.
> Any comments on that? Did they get at least that part right?
> Granted, it's not on the Ridley scale of things, but it looked good

to me.

>
> Bene vale
>
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Salve,

I have got question for pay tax.

Im new member. Shall I pay tax now ? Term was by April.

Thank you

Vale

Salve Romans

There seems to be a discrepancy between my list of taxpayers and what the database has listed as paid.

If you have paid your taxes please take a moment to check your status in your profile.

If it does not say assidui please drop ME a note and I will fix it.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Consular Quaestor


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Salvete Omnes,
Whilst working nights last week I saw a late night advertisement on Skyone for a new series called Life and Death in Rome,which starts on Thursday 7th of July.It apparently tracks the similarities between the ancient Roman world and our modern society,so anyway it might be worth a look,hopefully it doesn't just stick to the sad old pattern of fixating on gladiatorial games and the excesses of certain emperors,we can but hope.

Bene Vale,Lupus.

P.s. I too found the book Romanitas very hard to get into,I found myself thinking that any Roman empire which had survived to modern times, would've moved beyond the need to use crucifixion as a means of punishment.


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In a message dated 7/1/2005 11:43:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
mjk@... writes:
One concept that movies forget is that Rome was not some terrible
invader like the mongols, nazis etc. They were first in countries as
vistors, merchants, traders etc and quite often they were asked to
be mediators, asked for military advice, advisors etc. until they
got drawn into a situation more and more, somewhat like NATO and the
Warsaw Pact did in our times. Films seem to forget this and portray
Rome as a tyrannical monster.

Rome was always about security, security for her citizens. That's why she
formed alliances
with the Latins and Samnites against the Gauls, Carthage against the Epriots,
Syrakuse against the Carthaginians.

As soon as she got chance Rome would secure areas that threatened her
security with her boarders, which explains her seizing Sardinia, intervening in
Sicily, advancing into Illyria, securing the Asia Minor coast.

After the Second Punic War she declared war on the Cisalipine Gauls, and
either forced them to relocate or subjugated them. This was because the Gauls had
supplied such manpower for Hannibal and Hasdrubal's armies. Spain was
eventually subjected for the same reason.

Being an ally of Rome was a big deal to a minor power. It allowed them to
defy other minor powers safe in the knowledge that if they were attacked, Rome
would respond with major force.

It easy in a modern context to see Rome in an unfavorable light. But, she
were just doing what she felt was neccessary to survive.
And to be fair to Rome she always kept her committents to her allies. Not
all her allies did the same.
I was fired off Empire during the ABC regime change. ABC had been paying me
a fair amount of money for advice on the weekly series, but after the VP of
development stepped down, they decided to "go in another direction." And we
advisers were no longer needed.
Exit Fabius.
Empire was supposed to be another "I Claudius" about the Iulian familiy and
her enemies
but now its just another Iulius Caesar. Too bad. It showed such promise in
the pitch meetings.

Q. Fabius Maximus




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Salve Lupe,

Thanks for the info; I'll watch for it! Meanwhile I am posting a
previous article I wrote for another group which I found
interesting. It is regarding trying to predict future historical
events which this upcoming program may do:


Hello everyone,

Ah, I guess we'll have to put some of the sooth sayers' and
preachers' predictions on the end of times with the coming of the
beast (New Roman Empire) on the back burners once again!

Doom and gloom phrophets or seers are not new.

Here is an interesting article I found from earthlink.net about the
perils of trying to predict the future, well worth considering:


Perils of Prediction



The science of prediction has a spotty past. Abundant tales show the
folly of attempting to foresee how one or another invention might
fare in daily life. "Radio has no future. Heavier-than-air flying
machines are impossible. X-rays will prove to be a hoax," said the
eminent British scientist, William Thomson. In 1946, Darryl F.
Zanuck, head of 20th Century Fox, took a dim view of television's
future. "People will soon get tired to staring at a plywood box every
night," he predicted. President Rutherford B. Hayes said of Bell's
telephone: "That's an amazing invention but who would ever want to
use one of them?" Concurring with that sentiment, a Western Union
memo commented: "This telephone has too many shortcomings to be
seriously considered as a means of communications."

Others took an overly optimistic view of technologies that were
emerging in their day. A vacuum cleaner manufacturer predicted in
1955: "Nuclear powered vacuum cleaners will probably become a reality
within 10 years." A writer for the Brooklyn Eagle predicted in 1900
that "mail will be delivered to homes in pneumatic tubes." Futuristic
scenarios conceived in the 1950s saw masses of people commuting to
work in helicopters. On the other hand, there were many important
inventions that no one foresaw: microwave ovens, Velcro, TV dinners,
laser surgery, air bags, the Internet.

Knowing the future can be valuable if a person is able to position
himself or invest his money to take advantage of an emerging trend.
Stock-market advisers make a living from keeping abreast of the
latest product developments in their area. Thousands of investors
anxiously await each month's issue of the Gilder Technology Report.
Its web site is jammed when the report is first posted on the
Internet. Stock prices quickly shoot up when Gilder makes favorable
comments about a technology or a company with products utilizing it.
Gilder's own following virtually ensures that. But, of course, the
first investors with this information reap the biggest rewards;
investment news is soon discounted.

In the mid 19th century, a group of intellectuals clustered around
Ralph Waldo Emerson were inspired by the thought that American
culture would soon equal or surpass European culture. No one embraced
this idea more enthusiastically than Walt Whitman, the poet, who
wrote in Democratic Vistas: "I, now, for one, promulge, announcing a
native expression-spirit .. for these States ... different from
others, more expansive, more rich and free, to be evidenced by
original authors and poets to come, by American personalities ... and
by native superber tableaux and growths of language, songs, operas,
orations, lectures, architecture - and by a sublime and serious
Religious Democracy sternly taking command ... and from its own
interior and vital principles, reconstructing, democratizing
society." What actually came, when American culture triumphed a
century later, was popular culture - films rather than operas, rock
lyrics rather than poems, vaudeville, cartoons, sitcoms, and other
unserious works. Few professed to be creating expressions of
democratic culture. Except in the Soviet Union, that kind of thinking
was out of date. Whitman could not have anticipated the impact of new
communication technologies upon cultural expression.

The most sweeping kinds of prediction have been associated with
religion. From time to time religious prophets have appeared to
announce that the world would shortly end. William Miller brought
thousands of his followers to the hill tops of Massachusetts and New
York state to await that event, expected to occur within a year after
March 21, 1843. When this period of time had lapsed and all seemed
normal, Miller rescheduled the apocalyptic date for October 22, 1844.
Its failure to occur was dubbed "the great disappointment". The
Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, early Christians, Branch Davidians,
Heaven's Gate cult, and others have had similar expectations; yet, to
date, the world as we have known it through history remains largely
intact. It is therefore conceded that attempts to predict ends of the
world or any larger course of events will and should be met with
considerable skepticism.

In 30 B.C., right after Octavian defeated Antony and Cleopatra at the
battle of Actium to become undisputed ruler of the Roman empire, an
historian might have made several predictions. First, recognizing
that a series of warlords (sometimes in partnership) had ruled Roman
society for more than a half century, he might have foreseen that the
relatively inexperienced Octavian, Julius Caesar's nephew, would
eventually lose out to someone else in a power struggle. He might
have foreseen that the raging tensions between rich and poor would
tear Roman society apart or, perhaps, be resolved in the Senate. None
of these things happened. Octavian had unexpected political and
administrative skills which allowed him to consolidate power in
himself and found Rome's first imperial dynasty. Dynasties of this
type lasted in the West until the 5th century A.D. and, in the East,
until the 15th century A.D.

The same historian, looking at Rome's position in the world, might
have made several other predictions. Recalling that the Persians had
conquered the Medes and Babylonians, and that Alexander the Great of
Macedon had conquered Persia, and that Rome had conquered the
remnants of the Seleucid, Ptolemaic, and Macedonian Greek empires, he
might pessimistically have expected that some new political empire
would conquer Rome's, perhaps the fierce Parthians to the east. Or,
taking a more optimistic view, he might have expected that Rome would
conquer the Parthian empire. Neither happened. Rome continued to
withstand the Parthians despite centuries of warfare. The Parthians,
succeeded by the Sasanid Persians, likewise staved off defeat at the
hands of the Romans. Recalling Julius Caesar's successful prosecution
of the Gallic wars, this historian might also have expected the Roman
empire to expand into barbarian territories to the north and east.
This possibility was only partially fulfilled. The Romans did conquer
much of Britain and Romania; however, their attempt to expand
eastward into Germany was frustrated when Germanic tribes led by
Hermann decimated three Roman legions in a battle fought in 9 A.D.
Octavian, now Augustus Caesar, subsequently fixed his empire's
eastern boundary at the Danube river.

Rome's ultimate fate was completely off this historian's radar
screen. Despite Hermann's victory, it would have been most unlikely
that Germanic or other nomadic tribes could overrun the western Roman
empire, sack Rome, and establish petty kingdoms throughout western
Europe while Roman government would last in the eastern provinces for
another thousand years. Even less likely would have been that a
religious prophet from Galilee, condemned by action of a Roman
proconsul in Judaea and executed for blasphemy sixty years later,
would come to be worshiped as "Son of God"; and that his cult, after
centuries of persecution, would first claim a sizable share of Rome's
population and then become Rome's state religion; and that the new
religion of Christianity would provide the cultural matrix for post-
Roman society, converting Rome's nomadic conquerors, and then spread
into lands throughout the earth. World religion as a successor to
political empire would have been most inconceivable.

Fifteen hundred years later, the possibility of religious empire was
plainly seen. Militant Christians who had expelled the Moors from the
Iberian peninsula were eager to win new souls for Christ. Alexander
VI had issued a papal bull in 1493 dividing the newly discovered
lands outside Europe between Spain and Portugal on condition that
they convert the people of those lands to Christianity. A plausible
scenario, given Europe's destined expansion of influence, was that
the Roman church would eventually rule the entire world. It did not
happen. Although Jesuit priests supported by the Spanish and
Portuguese colonial governments converted the native peoples of Latin
America to the Roman Catholic religion, similar efforts in the Far
East failed when the Chinese and Japanese governments expelled
Christian missionaries in the 17th century. Europe itself became
religiously divided during the period of the Protestant Reformation.
Despite the Pope's declaration, the French, Dutch, and English
colonized North America; they seemed more interested in obtaining
commercial advantages than in spreading the Christian religion. The
times were turning away from religious ambition and instead embracing
such things as commerce, science and technology, literature and
music.

So it would seem that would-be predictors of the larger trends would
consistently have been frustrated had they foreseen world history as
a logical progression from things in the past. New institutions and
new sets of concerns arise to replace those known in the past; and it
seems that the future will gravitate more towards what has never been
than what was. Of what use, then, is history in predicting the
future?

All we can say is that history is our main source of knowledge about
how the world works in concrete situations. Political leaders charged
with making important decisions often let historical analogies guide
their decision making process. For instance, Harry Truman wrote in
his autobiography that he saw a parallel between the
Congressional "Committee on the Conduct of War" established during
the U.S. Civil War, which became a center of espionage for the
Confederacy, and a similar investigating committee which he chaired
during World War II. He therefore took extra precautions to make sure
that this committee did not leak valuable information to the
Nazis. "Almost all current events in the affairs of governments and
nations have their parallels and precedents in the past," Truman
wrote. "I know of no surer way to get a solid foundation in political
science and public administration than to study the histories of past
administrations."

General Jakabu Gowan, Nigeria's head of state during the war with
secessionist Biafra, had read Carl Sandberg's four-volume biography
of Abraham Lincoln. Identifying his own cause with that of the North,
Gowan told reporters that he could recognize the "Shermans" and
the "Grants" among his commanders. On the other hand, Adolf Hitler
was mistakenly encouraged by President Franklin D. Roosevelt's death
to hope that the Allies might relax their military pressure upon his
crumbling nation because his hero, Frederick the Great of Prussia,
had been rescued from probable defeat when Russian armies pulled back
following the death of Catherine the Great. Such analogies may or may
not follow through.

To predict history on the broadest level we cannot rely upon any
particular set of events proceeding from the present situation but
only on general expectations based on the nature of human societies
like the following: What goes up usually comes down. What is born
dies. People fight for rank and position. Powerful interest groups
try to protect their own turf. These are some of the "lessons" to be
drawn from past history. On the positive side, the new is youthful
and vigorous and creative, but also unpredictable. One must make
allowance for unexpected paradigm shifts. Future history will
frustrate our best efforts to project a certain vision unless,
perhaps, we ourselves participate in the fulfilling events.

Regards,

QLP

Salve Q. Fabi Maxime,

Thank you for your comments and better clarification of my posting.
As always your input is greatly appreciated!

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, QFabiusMaxmi@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 7/1/2005 11:43:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> mjk@d... writes:
> One concept that movies forget is that Rome was not some terrible
> invader like the mongols, nazis etc. They were first in countries
as
> vistors, merchants, traders etc and quite often they were asked to
> be mediators, asked for military advice, advisors etc. until they
> got drawn into a situation more and more, somewhat like NATO and
the
> Warsaw Pact did in our times. Films seem to forget this and
portray
> Rome as a tyrannical monster.
>
> Rome was always about security, security for her citizens. That's
why she
> formed alliances
> with the Latins and Samnites against the Gauls, Carthage against
the Epriots,
> Syrakuse against the Carthaginians.
>
> As soon as she got chance Rome would secure areas that threatened
her
> security with her boarders, which explains her seizing Sardinia,
intervening in
> Sicily, advancing into Illyria, securing the Asia Minor coast.
>
> After the Second Punic War she declared war on the Cisalipine
Gauls, and
> either forced them to relocate or subjugated them. This was
because the Gauls had
> supplied such manpower for Hannibal and Hasdrubal's armies. Spain
was
> eventually subjected for the same reason.
>
> Being an ally of Rome was a big deal to a minor power. It allowed
them to
> defy other minor powers safe in the knowledge that if they were
attacked, Rome
> would respond with major force.
>
> It easy in a modern context to see Rome in an unfavorable light.
But, she
> were just doing what she felt was neccessary to survive.
> And to be fair to Rome she always kept her committents to her
allies. Not
> all her allies did the same.
> I was fired off Empire during the ABC regime change. ABC had been
paying me
> a fair amount of money for advice on the weekly series, but after
the VP of
> development stepped down, they decided to "go in another
direction." And we
> advisers were no longer needed.
> Exit Fabius.
> Empire was supposed to be another "I Claudius" about the Iulian
familiy and
> her enemies
> but now its just another Iulius Caesar. Too bad. It showed such
promise in
> the pitch meetings.
>
> Q. Fabius Maximus
>
>
>
>
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Salvete, omnes!

I'm nearly through Romanitas. The author is a good wordsmith, but the book
is exceedingly slow given her almost exclusive concentration on what her
characters are feeling and thinking - line after line of this interspersed
with description of events and dialogue. At the same time, my impression is
that she is attempting to describe an impossible society. She has taken her
view of Rome as it was in classical times and built into it not modern
values and ideas but merely modern inventions. Why "longvision" for
example?! The Romans were perfectly aware of the word "tele-". So we have
trams and cars and TVs, but crucifixion (modernised) too. No society would
have developed in that way over 2000 years. Latin developed in reality into
the languages we speak today, whereas in Romanitas it is fixed. Society
evolved - but not in Romanitas. However, it's a brave attempt at creating a
fictional world. I will give my final views when I've ploughed through to
the end!

Valete bene!

Sextus Pilatus Barbatus



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Of DecimusGladiusLupus
Sent: 02 July 2005 17:46
To: Nova Roma
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Inspirational : a follow up.



Salvete Omnes,
Whilst working nights last week I saw a late night
advertisement on Skyone for a new series called Life and Death in Rome,which
starts on Thursday 7th of July.It apparently tracks the similarities between
the ancient Roman world and our modern society,so anyway it might be worth a
look,hopefully it doesn't just stick to the sad old pattern of fixating on
gladiatorial games and the excesses of certain emperors,we can but hope.


Bene
Vale,Lupus.

P.s. I too found the book Romanitas very hard to get into,I found myself
thinking that any Roman empire which had survived to modern times, would've
moved beyond the need to use crucifixion as a means of punishment.


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Salvete Onles,

I noted this article in the news on my homepage and thought I would share.
It concerns the beginning of gladitorial events and chariot racing in
Jerash, Jordan. Jerash, Gerasa to the Romans is one of the best preserved
Roman sites in the world. I am attaching the website ofr the event, as well
as a link to the news article.

http://www.jerashchariots.com/
http://home.bellsouth.net/s/editorial.dll?eeid=4610330&eetype=article&render
=y&ck=


Vale,

Marcus Vitellius Ligus
Propraetor, America Austrorientalis



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Ex Officio Censoris Senioris Caesonis Fabii Buteo Quintiliani

Edictum Censoris CFBQ XXXIII about Census of Nova Roma 2758

I. NOVA ROMA is conducting its biannual census of citizens from July
4 to October 23, 2758 (2005).

II. During this period Scribae from Cohors Censoris CFBQ and the
Proconsuls, Propraetores and their assistants will through different
means conduct the Census.

III. All citizens and socii of Nova Roma may also be required to
answer questions. Until then, please be prepared to do so. Further
instruction will be forthcoming in another edict.

III. This Edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given the 4th of July, in the year of the Consulship of Franciscus
Apulus Caesar and Gaius. Popillius Laenas, 2758 AUC.
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
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Cohors Censoris CFQ
http://www.hanenberg-media-webdesign.com/cohors/index_uk.htm
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

OSD G. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

Today is ante diem IV Nonas Quintilis; the day is Nefastus Publicus.

"It so happened that preparations were being made for a repetition of
the "Great Games." The reason for their repetition was that early in
the morning, prior to the commencement of the Games, a householder
after flogging his slave had driven him through the middle of the
Circus Maximus. Then the Games commenced, as though the incident had
no religious significance. Not long afterwards, Titus Latinius, a
member of the plebs, had a dream. Jupiter appeared to him and said
that the dancer who commenced the Games was displeasing to him, adding
that unless those Games were repeated with due magnificence, disaster
would overtake the City, and he was to go and report this to the
consuls. Though he was by no means free from religious scruples, still
his fears gave way before his awe of the magistrates, lest he should
become an object of public ridicule. This hesitation cost him dear,
for within a few days he lost his son. That he might have no doubt as
to the cause of this sudden calamity, the same form again appeared to
the distressed father in his sleep, and demanded of him whether he had
been sufficiently repaid for his neglect of the divine will, for a
more terrible recompense was impending if he did not speedily go and
inform the consuls. Though the matter was becoming more urgent, he
still delayed, and while thus procrastinating he was attacked by a
serious illness in the form of sudden paralysis. Now the divine wrath
thoroughly alarmed him, and wearied out by his past misfortune and the
one from which he was suffering he called his relations together and
explained what he had seen and heard, the repeated appearance of
Jupiter in his sleep, the threatening wrath of heaven brought home to
him by his calamities. On the strong advice of all present he was
carried in a litter to the consuls in the Forum, and from there by the
consuls' order into the Senate-house. After repeating the same story
to the senators, to the intense surprise of all, another marvel
occurred. The tradition runs that he who had been carried into the
Senate-house paralysed in every limb, returned home, after performing
his duty, on his own feet." - Livy, History of Rome 2.36


Today is a festival day of Pax, goddess of Peace.

Pax was the ancient Roman goddess and spirit of peace, represented in
art as a young woman bearing a cornucopia, or horn of plenty, as well
as an olive branch and a sheaf of corn. She later became known as Pax
Romana. Pax ("peace") was recognized as a goddess during the rule of
Augustus.

On the Campus Martius (Field of Mars, the god of War), she had a minor
sanctuary called the Ara Pacis, dedicated to her on January 30, 9 B.C.
Her temple was on the Forum Pacis (Templum Placis) built on the site
of a meat market by Vespasian, which was dedicated in A.D. 75. She was
depicted in art with olive branches, a cornucopia and a sceptre. Pax
became celebrated (in both senses of the word) as Pax Romana and Pax
Augusta from the 2nd century B.C. In Greek mythology, she was Eirene
or Irene ("peace"), daughter of Zeus and Themis, one of the first
generation of Horae. The Horae (the Hours, or Seasons) were Pax and
her sisters Lawfulness, Wisdom and Order (Eunomia) and Justice (Dike),
sometimes considered to be aspects of Themis. As goddesses of the
seasons, they brought order to nature. Eirene was the personification
of peace and wealth and was depicted in art as a beautiful young woman
carrying a cornucopia, sceptre and a torch or rhyton.


"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created
equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable
Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of
Happiness." - From the United States' Declaration of Independence,
accepted by Congress, dated July 4, 1776

Today is also the 229th celebration of the founding of the United
States of America. Representatives from the English Colonies in North
America "in Congress assembled" in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania declared
that Great Britain no longer had a right to control their political
and economic life --- that they were, in fact, a seperate and
independent country. The Fourth of July, in its most narrow sense
referring to July 4, refers in the United States to that country's
Independence Day, a public holiday celebrating the signing of the
Declaration of Independence in A.D. 1776. It is commonly associated
with fireworks, barbecues, picnics and other public celebratory
events. The celebration itself is a historical misnomer. American
independence was declared on the night of July 2, 1776; however, the
Declaration of Independence was not actually adopted until July 4.

The founding fathers themselves thought that July 2 would be the day
celebrated. John Adams, writing to his wife Abigail, noted:

"The second day of July, 1776, will be the most memorable epocha in
the history of America. I am apt to believe that it will be celebrated
by succeeding generations as the great anniversary festival. It ought
to be commemorated as the day of deliverance, by solemn acts of
devotion to God Almighty. It ought to be solemnized with pomp and
parade, with shows, games, sports, guns, bells, bonfires, and
illuminations, from one end of this continent to the other, from this
time forward for evermore." - John Adams, July 3, 1776


Personal note: Whatever your political bent, wherever you are in the
world, I ask you to join those of your fellow Nova Romans from the
United States in wishing her a very happy birthday. She is not
perfect, and she has not always lived up to the vision that she holds
high as a beacon of liberty, justice, and opportunity; but over the
past two centuries she has fought valiantly and suffered the loss of
countless sons and daughters to try to make this world a better place.
May (the) God(s) bless the United States of America, and help guide
her to a place where peace and "liberty and justice for all" truly
does prevail.

Valete bene!

Cato

Salve Romans

According to my records I have received 4 donation to the Magna Mater Project through paypal. If you have donated to this fund and used paypal to do so please drop me a note so I can confirm there are a total of 4 donations.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
Consular Quaestor

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Ex Officio Censoris Senioris Caesonis Fabii Buteo Quintiliani

Edictum Censoris CFBQ XXXIV about participating in the Census of Nova Roma 2758

I. NOVA ROMA is now conducting its biannual census of citizens from
July 4 to October 23, 2758 (2005).

II. If you have voted, paid your taxes (annual fee) or joined within
the current year, then you have already been counted. If you have
done none of these things, then we request that you now participate
in the Census.

III. Those who do respond (which takes only seconds) will be counted
as full-fledged citizens of Nova Roma. Those who do not respond to
email, paper mail, or telephone call will be reclassified as a
"Socius" (Ally) rather than a citizen, and will thereafter be unable
to vote or be a paterfamliias until requesting and regaining citizen
status.

IV. To register yourself as a citizen, go to:

http://www.novaroma.org/bin/prefs?cmd=census

...and log in with your Roman Name and password. (If you've
forgotten your password you may easily reset it from here).

V. OR, you may simply reply to this message and state that you are
registering as a citizen (give your Roman name if you remember it so
we can be sure to credit the right person).

VI. To check whether you are already registered, go to the web site's
Album Gentium:

http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/gentes

...locate your gens; locate your name on your gens page; then click
your name to load your personal profile page. There, you will see
either "Citizen" or "Socius" next to the label "Status"; to instantly
move from Socius to Citizen, go to the census page as described above.

VII. All those who are now listed as socii and prior to the start of
the census were enrolled as citizens having voting rights shall
retain their voter codes, century assignment, tribal assignment until
the close of the census. Those that have not responded to the census
and are classified thereafter as socii shall have their voter codes
rescinded.

VIII. This Edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given the 4th of July, in the year of the Consulship of Franciscus
Apulus Caesar and Gaius. Popillius Laenas, 2758 AUC.
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
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Cohors Censoris CFQ
http://www.hanenberg-media-webdesign.com/cohors/index_uk.htm
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Salve, Sexte Lucili!

More and more pannonian are there :-)

I am glad to see here another Pannonicus! As for your question, I
hope that I have answered it on the NovaromaVizantia.

Vivat Pannonia! Crescat et convalesvat! :-)

CN COR LENTVLVS
propraetor Pannoniae


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> Salve,
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> I have got question for pay tax.
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> Im new member. Shall I pay tax now ? Term was by April.
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> Thank you
>
> Vale

ALOHA TIMOTHY
2 DONATIONS VIA PAY-PAL
# I & II
MORE ARE PLANED
THANK YOU
C. MULLIN
ALOHA

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Ex Officio Censoris Senioris Caesonis Fabii Buteo Quintiliani

Edictum Censoris CFBQ XXXV about the re-organisation of the Cohors
Censoris CFBQ

I hereby re-organize the Cohors Censoris CFBQ into three Officinae
(one of them new) and a group of advisory and supportive Scribae, at
least to begin with. The purpose of this re-organization is to make
the work in the Cohors more effective as I take responsibility for
the Census for 2758, while I also keep other tasks going.

I. First of all there is the "Officina Ductus" (The Leading Office)
which will function as the center of the Cohors and also take
responsibility for many separate tasks, like the Censor's web-site,
the Censor's Handbook, research into historical gentes and so on.
Further, the "Caput Officina Ductus" will act as my second-in-command
in Cohors Cenoris CFBQ and assist me with other tasks in the Cohors
Censoris CFBQ as instructed by me. At least four more Scribae
Censoris CFBQ will be assigned to this Officina.

II. There will still be the "Officina Iuriis et Investigatio" (Office
of Justice and Investigation), the "Caput Officina Iuriis et
Investigatio" (Head of the Office for Justice and Investigations)
will be the "Scriba Iuriis et Investigatio Primus CFBQ" (First
Censorial Scriba for Justice and Investigations). This Officina will
(continue to) make investigations of the history of Roman names and
other Censorial work and also advise Censor CFBQ when it comes to
juridical issues. There is the "Caput Officina Iuriis et
Investigatio" and at least one more Scribae in this Officina.

III. Thirdly I also organize an "Officina Census" to execute the
Census of 2758 in Nova Roma. The Census means a lot of administrative
work, with contacts with citizens, socii, sympathizers and Governors
and other magistrates. The "Officina Census" is lead by its "Scriba
Census Primus CFBQ", who will act as the "Caput Officina Census".
There will be the "Caput Officina Census" and at least five more
Scriba Censoris CFBQ working in this Officina.

IV. At last I organize a a group of advisory and supportive Scribae,
within the Cohors Censoris CFBQ (Censorial Staff of CFBQ), that also
work in the "Officina Approbatio" (Office of Approvals), now a part
of "Cohors Censoris Gnaeus Equitius Marinus". The main task of this
group is to advise and support my Cohors during the Census and also
stand as a working reserve.

V. At last there shall be a "Scriba Censoris Religio CFBQ",
responsible for advising the Censor when it comes to questions and
tasks connected with Religio Romana.

VI. This Edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given the 4th of July, in the year of the Consulship of Franciscus
Apulus Caesar and Gaius. Popillius Laenas, 2758 AUC.
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Cohors Censoris CFQ
http://www.hanenberg-media-webdesign.com/cohors/index_uk.htm
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

I, Flavius Galerius Aurelianus (aka Patrick D. Owen), declare that I am a
citizen of Nova Roma.

07/04/05


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Ex Officio Censoris Iunioris Caesonis Fabii Buteo Quintiliani

Edictum Censoris CFBQ XXXVI about the appointment, re-appointment,
assignment and re-assignment of Scribae to different Officinae and
the re-appointment and appointment of Capiti Officinae.

As a part of the re-organization of Cohors Censoris CFBQ, to among
other things take care of the Census of 2758, I will appoint, assign
and re-assign the following Scribae to the following postions, duties
and Officinae.


I. Hereby I re-appoint Rogator Caius Moravius Laureatus Armoricus as
"Caput Censoris Officina Ductus CFBQ" and my second-in-command.

II. Hereby I re-assign and assign Vibia Ulpia Aestiva, Arnamentia
Moravia Aurelia, Marcus Flavius Philippus Conservatus and Annia
Octavia Indagatrix to the "Officina Ductus", each with the title
"Scriba Censoris CFBQ".

III. Hereby I re-appoint Marca Hortensia Maior as "Caput Officina
Iuris et Investigatio" with the title "Scriba Censoris Iuris et
Investigatio Prima CFBQ".

IV. Hereby I re-assign Titus Octavius Salvius to the "Officina
Officina Iuris et Investigatio", as "Scriba Censoris CFBQ".

V. Hereby I appoint Marcus Moravius Piscinus Horatianus as "Caput
Officina Census" (head of the Census office), with the title "Scriba
Censoris Census Primus CFBQ".

VI. Hereby I appoint and assign Marcus Octavius Germanicus, Marcus
Bianchius Antonius, Aulus Apollonius Cordus, Quintus Cassius Calvus
and Marcus Arminius Maior to "Officina Census", each with the title
"Scriba Censoris CFBQ".

VII. Hereby I assign Rogatrix Marcia Martiana Gangalia Marcella,
Lucius Rutilius Minervalis, Marcus Adrianus Complutensis, Fausta
Martiana Gangalia Minervalis and Manius Constantinus Serapio to form
a group of advisory and supportive Scribae in the Cohors Censoris
CFBQ, each with the title "Scriba Censoris CFBQ".

VIII: At last I re-appoint Gaius Modius Athanasius as my "Scriba
Censoris Religio CFBQ".

IX. This Edictum becomes effective immediately.

Given the 5th of July, in the year of the Consulship of Franciscus
Apulus Caesar and Gaius. Popillius Laenas, 2758 AUC.

--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum
************************************************
Cohors Censoris CFQ
http://www.hanenberg-media-webdesign.com/cohors/index_uk.htm
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Aut inveniam viam aut faciam
"I'll either find a way or make one"
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Dignitas, Iustitia, Fidelitas et Pietas
Dignity, Justice, Loyalty and Dutifulness

Salvete omnes

I have set up a new list for the sodalitas Valetudinis

Group name: Valetudinis
Group home page: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Valetudinis
Group email address: Valetudinis@yahoogroups.com

This is a moderated public list intended to discuss ancient medical
practices. Considered for topics of discussion will be Roman
herbalism, whether for religio-magical use related to healing or for
medicinal purposes, also the culti Deorum of Roman and Greek healing
deities, as well as from other cultures and not to exclude Jewish
and Christian traditions. My interest in herbalism will also have
us look into herbals up to the Renaissance, including the Tacuinum
Sanitas of the Medeival period that were based on Classical texts.
The group will look over a wide range of topics, taking a broad view
of the Classical influence on medical practice from roughly the
fifth century BCE through the fifteenth century CE.

Di Deaeque vos inculumes custodiant
M Moravius Piscinus Horatianus

Ladies and Gentlemen of Nova Britannia;

The Census for 2005 approaches, and this is a time in which to insure that your Citizenship in NR continues. You will be contacted again, much as you were in the past when I assumed the ProConsulship of the Provincia, to insure that each of the 105 names on the Provincial Roster is contacted. The detailed procedure has already been sent out and you should have been notified before this E-Mail.

The purpose of this message is slightly different. It is my way of asking you to reflect for a moment on the time that you first applied to Nova Roma, and the reason why you took that step. You all must have had some expectations of what Nova Roma was and what you would and could get out of it.

Now comes the next part. Approximately 75% of you have left NR, or have indicated that you want nothing further to do with the organization. Considering the problems encountered when I first took over from the past ProPraetor, I understand fully why many of you would choose to be leery of this NR thing that you got yourself into. Some of you were insulted by idiots on the Main List, some of you were left in the dark about local activities, and some were fed up with unfulfilled promises. Those ideas have been identified to me many times over.

When I assumed the ProCosulship, I have tried to set some of that straight. We now believe very strongly that the previous ProPraetor of this Province may have been killed in an automobile accident while on vacation in Canada. This has not been confirmed, but the name appeared in an accident report, about the time the gentleman disappeared. Those who knew him well have indicated to me that he was / is not the kind of person to disappear while committd to a task, and for those reasons we believe that he may well be deceased. The resulting nearly seven months of silence was unavoidable since we were not notified of that terrible occurance. We would still have no clue had the former ProPraetor's friend not done some research.

Since that time, we have had a Provincial Meeting, appointed some people to various tasks, have a quarterly newsletter and have had a great Provincial Event in May at the Woodstock Fairgrounds in Woodstock, CT, and are about to have another Provincial Event in Wells, Maine this coming weekend.

I would ask that all NR Citizens would look again at the reasons why you joined NR, and at least correspond with me about those expectations and your suggestions about what we can do to make them come true. I understand that you may well feel somewhat abused by the past activities, but steps have been taken to "gentle" the Main List, to some extent (I am told), the NewRoman List has been established which is monitored to prevent that kind of insutng invective as you may have experienced, and we have several Provincial progams moving slowly forward to better accomodate everyone. However, in order to fulfill these needs and programs we need each of you to come forward, and contact me face-to-face, by mail, phone or E-Mail, tell me what you would like to have,and why you have left NR, and what it woud take to get you back into the organization.

Finally, I will be at the Wells, Maine Festival this weekend, I understand that SPQR signs will be put out on the roads to guide you there. Please understand that you are most cordially invited, and seek me out to discuss with me your intentions and wishes for the remainder of this year and the next.

Very Respectfully;

Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens --
ProConsul --
Provincia Nova Britannia

Ex Officio Censoris Senioris Caesonis Fabii Buteo Quintiliani

Edicto Censorio CFBQ XXXIV sobre la participaci�n en el Censo de Nova Roma 2758

I. NOVA ROMA est� llevando a cabo el censo bianual de los ciudadanos desde el 4 de Julio al 23 de Octubre de 2758 (2005).

II.Si has votado, pagado tus impuestos (tasas anuales) o te has incorporado dentro del presente a�o, tu ya est�s censado. Si encambio no est�s dentro de estos supuestos se te requiere para que participes ahora en el Censo.

III. Aquellos que respondan (solo os llevar� pocos segundos) ser�n contados como ciudadanos de hecho y derecho de Nova Roma. Aquellos otros que no respondan por email, carta o terlefono ser�n reclasificados como "Socius" (Aliados) m�s que como ciudadanos y no podr�n votar o ser paterfamilias hasta que soliciten y recuperen el status de ciudadano.

IV. Para registrarte tu mismo como ciudadano pincha el enlace:

http://www.novaroma.org/bin/prefs?cmd=census

...logueat� com tu nombre Romano y tu contrase�a. (Si has olvidado �a contrase�a desde este enlace la podr�s resetear facilmente).

V. O, puedes simplemente contestar a este mensaje declarando que eres ciudadano (recuerda de dar tu nombre romano si lo recuerdas as� evitaremos confusi�n de identidades).

VI.Para comprobar si ya est�s registrado pincha en en siguiente enlace:

http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/gentes

...localiza tu gens, localiza tu nombre, luego haz click sobre tu nombre para que aparezca tu pagina de perfil. Aqu� podr�s verte como Ciudadano ("Citizen") o como "Socius" al lado de la etiqueta "Status"; para cambiar inmediatamente el status de Socius a Ciudadano ve a la pagina del censo y procede como se indica m�s arriba.

VII. Todo los que ahora est�n listados como socii y antes del comienzo del censo estaban registrados como ciudadanos con derecho a voto conservar�n sus codigos de votaci�n, la asignaci�n a centuriua y a tribu hasta el final del censo. Aquellos que no respondan al censo y sean clasificados a partir de entonces como socii ver�n rescindidos sus c�digos de votante.

VIII. Este Edicto ser� efectivo inmediatamente a su publicaci�n.

Dado el 4 de Julio, en el a�o del Consulado de Franciscus Apulus Caesar y Gaius Popillius Laenas, 2758 AUC.
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum

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I am listed as current on my familia page.

I am interested in continuing my education on roman topics, as well as going
to some local events. I attended the Woodstock event last year but was
unable to attend this year. What are the details on the thing this weekend?
I'd love to meet some NovaRomans in person.

Lucius Cassius Pontonius
-Ponte out-

Michael Ponte: The Love Machine

"Someone asked me yesterday if Dracula met Saruman and there was a fight,
who would win. I just looked at this man. What an idiotic thing to say. I
mean, really, it was half-witted." -Christopher Lee

Ponte Central: http://www.mponte.com/

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Mathews" <jmath669642reng@...>
To: <NovaBritannia@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: <Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>; <NewRoman@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 10:18 AM
Subject: [Nova-Roma] Census


> Ladies and Gentlemen of Nova Britannia;
>
> The Census for 2005 approaches, and this is a time in which to insure that
> your Citizenship in NR continues. You will be contacted again, much as
> you were in the past when I assumed the ProConsulship of the Provincia, to
> insure that each of the 105 names on the Provincial Roster is contacted.
> The detailed procedure has already been sent out and you should have been
> notified before this E-Mail.
>
> The purpose of this message is slightly different. It is my way of asking
> you to reflect for a moment on the time that you first applied to Nova
> Roma, and the reason why you took that step. You all must have had some
> expectations of what Nova Roma was and what you would and could get out of
> it.
>
> Now comes the next part. Approximately 75% of you have left NR, or have
> indicated that you want nothing further to do with the organization.
> Considering the problems encountered when I first took over from the past
> ProPraetor, I understand fully why many of you would choose to be leery of
> this NR thing that you got yourself into. Some of you were insulted by
> idiots on the Main List, some of you were left in the dark about local
> activities, and some were fed up with unfulfilled promises. Those ideas
> have been identified to me many times over.
>
> When I assumed the ProCosulship, I have tried to set some of that
> straight. We now believe very strongly that the previous ProPraetor of
> this Province may have been killed in an automobile accident while on
> vacation in Canada. This has not been confirmed, but the name appeared in
> an accident report, about the time the gentleman disappeared. Those who
> knew him well have indicated to me that he was / is not the kind of person
> to disappear while committd to a task, and for those reasons we believe
> that he may well be deceased. The resulting nearly seven months of
> silence was unavoidable since we were not notified of that terrible
> occurance. We would still have no clue had the former ProPraetor's friend
> not done some research.
>
> Since that time, we have had a Provincial Meeting, appointed some people
> to various tasks, have a quarterly newsletter and have had a great
> Provincial Event in May at the Woodstock Fairgrounds in Woodstock, CT, and
> are about to have another Provincial Event in Wells, Maine this coming
> weekend.
>
> I would ask that all NR Citizens would look again at the reasons why you
> joined NR, and at least correspond with me about those expectations and
> your suggestions about what we can do to make them come true. I
> understand that you may well feel somewhat abused by the past activities,
> but steps have been taken to "gentle" the Main List, to some extent (I am
> told), the NewRoman List has been established which is monitored to
> prevent that kind of insutng invective as you may have experienced, and we
> have several Provincial progams moving slowly forward to better accomodate
> everyone. However, in order to fulfill these needs and programs we need
> each of you to come forward, and contact me face-to-face, by mail, phone
> or E-Mail, tell me what you would like to have,and why you have left NR,
> and what it woud take to get you back into the organization.
>
> Finally, I will be at the Wells, Maine Festival this weekend, I understand
> that SPQR signs will be put out on the roads to guide you there. Please
> understand that you are most cordially invited, and seek me out to discuss
> with me your intentions and wishes for the remainder of this year and the
> next.
>
> Very Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens --
> ProConsul --
> Provincia Nova Britannia
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "James Mathews" <jmath669642reng@w...> wrote:

> Ladies and Gentlemen of Nova Britannia;
>
> The Census for 2005 approaches, and this is a time in which to insure that your Citizenship in NR continues.
>

<snip>

> The purpose of this message is slightly different. It is my way of asking you to reflect for a moment on the time that you first applied to Nova Roma, and the reason why you took that step. You all must have had some expectations of what Nova Roma was and what you would and could get out of it. >

*****
While I do not belong to your province, I can offer a touch of outside opinion.

>
> Now comes the next part. Approximately 75% of you have left NR, or have indicated that you want nothing further to do with the organization. Considering the problems encountered when I first took over from the past ProPraetor, I understand fully why many of you would choose to be leery of this NR thing that you got yourself into.
>

*****
For the my part, I have very little knowledge of Latin. Yet at every turn I am bombarded with it at Nova Roma.

While I believe that the language of Nova Roma should be Latin, as the cement that binds us together. I also accept the obvious fact that very few people received any instruction in it, in US schools.

In my own experiance Latin was offered in the 8th grade. I signed up. It was an elective class, policy was that it needed 'X' number of students or no classroom could be assigned. So it was withdrawn and never offered again.

But before at NR, it's a Sink or Swim kinda feeling I got. This has been the main reason I've been inactive in Nova Roma from almost my first month.

>
> Some of you were insulted by idiots on the Main List, some of you were left in the dark about local activities, and some were fed up with unfulfilled promises. Those ideas have been identified to me many times over.
>

*****
I must thank the Octavious Gens for all the help that was offered. But there is only so much time that can be applied to a new Citizen.

The feeling of being in the dark is what drove me to inactivity. I felt I wasn't able to grasp the political side of being a Citizen. And was taking up far to much of those peoples very valuable time, al those who laboured to drag me into a Latin world.

>
> When I assumed the ProCosulship, I have tried to set some of that straight. >

<snip>

> I would ask that all NR Citizens would look again at the reasons why you joined NR, and at least correspond with me about those expectations and your suggestions about what we can do to make them come true.
>

*****
The business of Nova Roma may be in Latin, but my close world only has English. Language has been the biggest stumbling block.

>
> I understand that you may well feel somewhat abused by the past activities, but steps have been taken to "gentle" the Main List, to some extent (I am told), the NewRoman List has been established which is monitored to prevent that kind of insutng invective as you may have experienced, and we have several Provincial progams moving slowly forward to better accomodate everyone.
>

*****
Do you have a link to this NewRoman list?

>
> However, in order to fulfill these needs and programs we need each of you to come forward, and contact me face-to-face, by mail, phone or E-Mail, tell me what you would like to have,and why you have left NR, and what it woud take to get you back into the organization.
>

<snip>
and seek me out to discuss with me your intentions and wishes for the remainder of this year and the next.

>
> Very Respectfully;
>
> Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens --
> ProConsul --
> Provincia Nova Britannia
>

*****
I for one, would love to be more involved. I realise I have effort that must be put fourth. Just meet me half way. Which many have tried to do.

And I Thank those Citizens for their efforts and friendship.

Perhaps this time I can make it into the main stream? I will certainly try.

I think this posting by you is a great step in the right direction.

Perhaps a flow chart to help point people in the right direction?

Suggest what we can do first on the web to teach ourselves what is good to know first. Once we have a grasp on the first building block, point us to the next block. Show us how to make those two blocks be a foundation.

I was taught in a military class I took about giving a class.

1) Tell you what I'm going to tell you about.

2) Cover the topic clearly and at a level easily understood.

3) Tell you what I just told you.

Or in other words.

1) Tell you what the topic is, and the points that are being covered.

2) Cover each point in deapth, answering questions before moving to the next point.

3) Recap the topic and all its points.

Roman children didn't learn Latin in a day. And I'm not as quick as a Roman child anymore.

Titus Octavious Decula
aka Edward Markle

Salve,
Does any one have a good source for Roman Clothing?
Thank You,
Luci
Lucius Martianus Paullus

Salve, Luci Martiane Paulle, et salvete, omnes!

> Salve,
> Does any one have a good source for Roman Clothing?

Try _The World of Roman Costume_, edited by Judith Lynn Sebesta and
Larissa Bonfante (U of Wisconsin Press, 2001).

> Thank You,

You're welcome!

> Luci
> Lucius Martianus Paullus

P.S. I shall address the matter of Latin after lunch.

Vale, et valete,

Flavia Tullia Scholastica

>
>
>

Dear Mr. Markle (normally we say 'salve' to one person, but that is
Latin...)

Et salvete, quirites, socii, peregrinique omnes!

(That means, greetings, citizens, allies/associates, and visitors, one
and all!)

> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "James Mathews" <jmath669642reng@w...>
> wrote:
>> Ladies and Gentlemen of Nova Britannia;
>>
>> The Census for 2005 approaches, and this is a time in which to insure that
>> your Citizenship in NR continues.
>>
> <snip>
>> The purpose of this message is slightly different. It is my way of asking
>> you to reflect for a moment on the time that you first applied to Nova Roma,
>> and the reason why you took that step. You all must have had some
>> expectations of what Nova Roma was and what you would and could get out of
>> it. >
> *****
> While I do not belong to your province, I can offer a touch of outside
> opinion.

To what province do you belong?

>>
>> Now comes the next part. Approximately 75% of you have left NR, or have
>> indicated that you want nothing further to do with the organization.
>> Considering the problems encountered when I first took over from the past
>> ProPraetor, I understand fully why many of you would choose to be leery of
>> this NR thing that you got yourself into.
>>
> *****
> For the my part, I have very little knowledge of Latin. Yet at every turn I am
> bombarded with it at Nova Roma.

I don't know where you get this impression--especially since, unless you
have another prior address, you have been on the Main List of Nova Roma
since---yesterday, for as praetorian scriba, I get the notices of
subscriptions and unsubscriptions to and from the Main List of Nova Roma.

In this prolonged period, I haven't seen a single post in Latin, or even
a bilingual one. There was one in Spanish today translating a previous
government notice which had been posted in English, however.

Not everyone on this list is a citizen or prospective citizen of Nova
Roma, however, but not even the majority of citizens are fluent in Latin.
Only a handful of us are competent to write in Latin, though more can read
it. The only Latin most citizens can handle is the simple greeting 'salve
(singular)' or 'salvete' (plural) or 'ave' (singular) or 'avete' (plural),
plus the closing 'vale (singular) and 'valete' (plural). Some know how to
modify names for correct use with these greetings, but many do not.

>
> While I believe that the language of Nova Roma should be Latin, as the cement
> that binds us together. I also accept the obvious fact that very few people
> received any instruction in it, in US schools.
>

This is unfortunately true. Worse, what instruction has been offered in
U.S. schools since the late 1960's has been watered down to the point that
not even a semester of college Latin now qualifies as the equivalent of a
month of high school Latin before that time. The same is true for modern
languages, though less-than-minimal instruction in those tongues is at least
more commonly available.

> In my own experiance Latin was offered in the 8th grade. I signed up. It was
> an elective class, policy was that it needed 'X' number of students or no
> classroom could be assigned. So it was withdrawn and never offered again.
>

Sounds familiar--but offering it at high school level, when there is
more time available for electives, would have made better sense.

> But before at NR, it's a Sink or Swim kinda feeling I got. This has been the
> main reason I've been inactive in Nova Roma from almost my first month.

If so, it isn't because of the copious supply of Latin on the ML--or
anywhere else.

>>
>> Some of you were insulted by idiots on the Main List, some of you were left
>> in the dark about local activities, and some were fed up with unfulfilled
>> promises. Those ideas have been identified to me many times over.
>>
> *****
> I must thank the Octavious Gens for all the help that was offered. But there
> is only so much time that can be applied to a new Citizen.
>
> The feeling of being in the dark is what drove me to inactivity. I felt I
> wasn't able to grasp the political side of being a Citizen. And was taking up
> far to much of those peoples very valuable time, al those who laboured to drag
> me into a Latin world.

When you became affiliated with Nova Roma, you must have known that we
had a Roman government with Roman magistrates, and that Latin was one of our
official languages. Since you use a macro name, not a Roman one, I assume
that you are not a citizen--and if so, haven't passed the citizenship
examination which must be taken after about three months of citizenship.
You would then be familiar with our government, and should have read the
website, including the fine section on Latin instruction prepared by M.
Apollonius Formosanus.

>>
>> When I assumed the ProCosulship, I have tried to set some of that straight. >
> <snip>
>> I would ask that all NR Citizens would look again at the reasons why you
>> joined NR, and at least correspond with me about those expectations and your
>> suggestions about what we can do to make them come true.
>>
> *****
> The business of Nova Roma may be in Latin, but my close world only has
> English. Language has been the biggest stumbling block.
>

To repeat: There is very little Latin on the ML of Nova Roma, and
nearly all which does exist here is simple greetings, closings, and titles
of government officials. The latter should have been taught in high school
world history, or college Western Civilization, if not in the Latin your
school didn't offer. In either case, there are alternatives.

>> I understand that you may well feel somewhat abused by the past activities,
>> but steps have been taken to "gentle" the Main List, to some extent (I am
>> told), the NewRoman List has been established which is monitored to prevent
>> that kind of insutng invective as you may have experienced, and we have
>> several Provincial progams moving slowly forward to better accomodate
>> everyone.
>>
> *****
> Do you have a link to this NewRoman list?
>>

I think it's "NewRomanATyahoogroupDOTcom" but that is probably the
mailing address; in order to join, you would have to access the website with
a more complex address.

>> However, in order to fulfill these needs and programs we need each of you to
>> come forward, and contact me face-to-face, by mail, phone or E-Mail, tell me
>> what you would like to have,and why you have left NR, and what it woud take
>> to get you back into the organization.
>>
> <snip>
> and seek me out to discuss with me your intentions and wishes for the
> remainder of this year and the next.
>>
>> Very Respectfully;
>>
>> Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens --
>> ProConsul --
>> Provincia Nova Britannia
>>
> *****
> I for one, would love to be more involved. I realise I have effort that must
> be put fourth. Just meet me half way. Which many have tried to do.
>

If you were perplexed by our government, you should have asked
someone--just introduce yourself and say that you need a little help. The
government is described on the main website of Nova Roma under "Collis
Capitolinus" (the Capitoline Hill); even without Latin, you should be able
to figure out the rest as over half of the English vocabulary is of Latin
origin.

> And I Thank those Citizens for their efforts and friendship.
>
> Perhaps this time I can make it into the main stream? I will certainly try.

Reading all of the website would be a good start.

>
> I think this posting by you is a great step in the right direction.
>
> Perhaps a flow chart to help point people in the right direction?

The website section on government is a good place to start. The one on
Latin is another priority.

>
> Suggest what we can do first on the web to teach ourselves what is good to
> know first. Once we have a grasp on the first building block, point us to the
> next block. Show us how to make those two blocks be a foundation.
>
> I was taught in a military class I took about giving a class.

Perhaps you would also be interested in our Sodalitas Militarium.

>
> 1) Tell you what I'm going to tell you about.
>
> 2) Cover the topic clearly and at a level easily understood.
>
> 3) Tell you what I just told you.
>
> Or in other words.
>
> 1) Tell you what the topic is, and the points that are being covered.
>
> 2) Cover each point in deapth, answering questions before moving to the next
> point.
>
> 3) Recap the topic and all its points.
>
> Roman children didn't learn Latin in a day. And I'm not as quick as a Roman
> child anymore.

Most of us aren't. However, the Academia Thules, which is affiliated
with Nova Roma, will be offering two methods of Latin I instruction this
Fall, one traditional starting in September, one more nature-method oriented
starting in October, though the latter also requires a knowledge of either
French or Italian, as the textbook is available only in those languages. In
the mean time, please read and try to digest the website section on Latin.
It is very helpful, and a fine introduction to the subject. This is your
chance to learn Latin, and I suggest that you avail yourself of it.

> Titus Octavious Decula

"Octavius"--you are in the gens, or clan, Octavia; as a male, your
nomen, or gens name, is "Octavius."

> aka Edward Markle
>

Vale, et valete,

Flavia Tullia Scholastica
Assistant for Latin to Censor Marinus
Nova Roman Interpreter of Latin
(etc.)

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

Ex Officio Censoris Senioris Caesonis Fabii Buteo Quintiliani

Edicto Censorio CFBQ XXXIV sobre a participa��o no Censo de Nova Roma 2758 a.u.c.

I. NOVA ROMA, no per�odo de 4 de Julho a 23 de Outubro de 2758 (2005), realizar� o censo bianual de seus cidad�os.

II. Se voc� votou, pagou seus impostos (taxas anuais) ou ingressou em NOVA ROMA neste ano, j� est� contado. Se, no entanto, n�o fez nenhuma dessas coisas, � necess�rio que participe do Censo.

III. Os que responderem (somente ser�o necess�rios poucos segundos) ser�o contados como cidad�os de pleno direito de NOVA ROMA. Os que n�o responderem - por email, carta ou telefone - ser�o reclassificados como "Socius" (Aliados) e n�o como cidad�os e n�o poder�o votar ou ser paterfamilias, at� que solicitem e recuperem o status de cidad�o.

IV. Para registrar-se sozinho, v� ao endere�o:

http://www.novaroma.org/bin/prefs?cmd=census

...e se conecte com seu nome romano e sua senha (se voc� esqueceu sua senha, voc� pode facilmente adquirir outra, bastando seguir as instru��es).

V. Ou, pode simplemente responder a este mensagem declarando que � cidad�o (lembre-se de mencionar seu nome romano, se dele se lembrar, para evitar confus�o de identidades).

VI. Para conferir se voc� � um cidad�o pleno, v� at� a p�gina Album Gentium:

http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/gentes

...localize sua gens; localize seu nome na p�gina de sua gens; ent�o, clique em seu nome para carregar sua "personal profile page". Nela, logo ap�s a palavra "Status", voc� ver� "Citizen" ou "Socius"; para, imediatamente, mudar seu status de Socius para Citizen, v� para a p�gina do censo, como descrito acima.

VII. Todoo os que, agora, estejam listados como socii mas, antes do come�o do censo, estavam registrados como cidad�os com direito a voto, conservar�o seus c�digos de vota��o, sua afilia��o � centuria e � tribo at� o final do censo. Aqueles que n�o responderem ao censo, e sejam classificados, a partir de ent�o, como socii, ter�o rescindidos seus c�digos de votante.

VIII. Este Edicto ser� efetivo imediatamente a sua publica��o.

Dado em 4 de Julho, no ano do Consulado de Franciscus Apulus Caesar e Gaius Popillius Laenas, 2758 AUC.
--

Vale

Caeso Fabius Buteo Quintilianus

Senior Censor, Consularis et Senator
Praeses, Triumvir et Praescriptor Academia Thules ad S.R.A. et N.
Editor-in-Chief, Publisher and Owner of "Roman Times Quarterly"
Sodalitas Egressus Beneficarius et Praefectus Provincia Thules
Civis Romanus sum

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Salve Luci Martiane, et salvete omnes,

Lucius Martianus Paullus <rotedragon@...> writes:

> Salve,
> Does any one have a good source for Roman Clothing?

Do you mean a source of patterns that would permit you to make your own? Or a
manufacturer?

La Wren's Nest makes togas and tunicas that can be purchased ready to wear.

http://www.lawrensnest.com/

For patterns, you can look at the Nova Roma website in the Reenactment section
for examples of men's military and civilian clothing:

http://novaroma.org/via_romana/reenactments/equipment.html

Julilla Sempronia Magna also has patterns available on her website:

http://www.villaivlilla.com/

Vale,

-- Marinus

Salve Flavia Scholastica,
Do You know a souce to buy them from? I have given up sewing.
Vale,
Luci

Salve Old Friend Marinus,
Yes, I wish to buy some. Thank You for The links.
Vale,
Luci

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@c...> wrote:

> Salve Luci Martiane, et salvete omnes,
>
> Lucius Martianus Paullus <rotedragon@m...> writes:
>
> > Salve,
> > Does any one have a good source for Roman Clothing?
>
> Do you mean a source of patterns that would permit you to make

your own? Or a

> manufacturer?
>
> La Wren's Nest makes togas and tunicas that can be purchased ready

to wear.

>
> http://www.lawrensnest.com/
>
> For patterns, you can look at the Nova Roma website in the

Reenactment section

> for examples of men's military and civilian clothing:
>
> http://novaroma.org/via_romana/reenactments/equipment.html
>
> Julilla Sempronia Magna also has patterns available on her website:
>
> http://www.villaivlilla.com/
>
> Vale,
>
> -- Marinus

G. Equitius Cato T. Octavio Deculae salutem plurimam dicit (Gaius
Equitius Cato sends greetings to T. Octavius Decula) - or "S.P.D.".

Salve, Octavius Decula (Hello).

Grammatica Romae ne in usu quidem olim, nedum in honore ullo erat,
rudi scilicet ac bellicosa etiam tum civitate, necdum magnopere
liberalibus disciplinis vacante. Initium quoque eius mediocre extitit,
siquidem antiquissimi doctorum, qui iidem et poetae et semigraeci
erant, (Livium et Ennium dico, quos utraque lingua domi forisque
docuisse adnotatum est) nihil amplius quam Graecos interpretabantur,
aut si quid ipsi Latine composuissent praelegebant. Nam quod nonnulli
tradunt duos libros de litteris syllabisque, item de metris ab eodem
Ennio editos, iure arguit L. Cotta non poetae sed posterioris Ennii
esse, cuius etiam de augurandi disciplina volumina ferantur.

Just kidding. I can explain a bit about the (pretty much) daily
calendar postings I send, or at least the Latin bits in them. "OSD G.
Equitius Cato" is "Omnibus Salutem Dicit", or "Cato says hi to everybody".

The date is given according to the Roman calendar; for instance,
today is "ante diem III Nonas Quintilis" - this means that it is three
(III) days until the "nones" of "Quintilis".

In the Roman calendar, each month is marked by three important days:
the "kalends" (from which we get the word "calendar"), the "nones",
and the "ides". The kalends are always the first day. The nones are
either the fifth or the seventh day. The ides are usually the 15th,
but sometimes the 13th. Every other day of each month is simply a
countdown to one of these three days; the inevitable exceptions are
that the day before each of these days is called "pridie" and the day
after is called "postridie".

The names of the months are pretty easy to figure out, except that
rather than bow to that imperialistic running-dog capitalist family
the Julio-Claudians (no offense meant to our current Julii or
Claudii), I refuse to call July or August by their later, imperial-era
(and current) names but rather what the Republican Romans called them:
"Quintilis" (the fifth month) and "Sextilis" (the sixth month). Why
fifth and sixth? because the Roman year originally started on 1 March.

There are BASICALLY six types of days:

1. dies comitiales, days when committees of citizens could vote on
political or criminal matters.
2. dies fasti, days on which legal action is permitted.
3. dies nefasti, which meant that no legal action or public voting
could take place on this day.
4. endotercisus, or intercisus, which were "in-between" fastus or
comitialis days in which mornings and afternoons had different
designations.
5. dies nefasti publici, which represented some important type of
religious observance of which all records have disappeared. However,
they all seem to be directly associated with major holidays.
6. dies fastus publicus, which represented some religious holiday, but
no definition survives for this abbreviation.

That's a start: at least I hope you'll be able to follow the calendar
a little better. Hey, I didn't know half this stuff until I started
actually DOING the calendar - and I'm still learning :-)

Vale bene (best wishes - literally, "go well")

Cato

Salve, Luci, et salvete, omnes!

> Salve Flavia Scholastica,
> Do You know a souce to buy them from?

Censor Marinus has already done that--there is also Merchant
Adventurers. One or the other (or both) has a booth at our Eastern U.S.
reenactment events.

> I have given up sewing.

Ah, but sewing Greek and Roman clothing is mighty easy, especially when
compared with much of our own! If you can make a pillowcase and a small
blanket, you can make Greek and Roman male clothing--and most female
clothing as well! The hard part is getting appropriate fabrics.

> Vale,
> Luci
>

Vale, et valete,

Flavia

>
>
>

Salve,
how does one get their phot on their citizen's page?
Vale,
Lucius Martianus Paullus

Salve Luci Martiane,

Send an electronic image to our webmaster, Quintus Cassius Calvus. I've cc'd
this message to him.

Vale,

-- Marinus

Lucius Martianus Paullus <rotedragon@...> writes:

> Salve,
> how does one get their phot on their citizen's page?
> Vale,
> Lucius Martianus Paullus
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Salve Gnaeus Equitius Marinus,
I have just done so. I am wearing the last Tunic my Sister had sewn
for me. I want to get a good Set of clothing then get a Formal Photo
done. But, This will give all a good idea of what i look like.
Vale,
Luci

A. Apollonius T. Octavio omnibusque sal.

I can understand your trouble with Latin, but frankly
you and I are among the lucky ones. The vast majority
of everyday business and leisure in Nova Roma is
conducted in English, and all official announcements
must be in English as a legal requirement, though they
may be in other languages as well. The website is in
English, though large parts of it are available in
other languages. Almost all the magistrates speak
pretty good English. So you should have very little
trouble.

But at least half the population of Nova Roma does not
have English as a first language. Many citizens find
it difficult to understand English and can barely
write it. This makes it extremely difficult for them
to participate fully in the sort of discussion we are
having now.

Those of us who speak and understand English easily
(except some people from Wales, Ireland, South Africa,
the Hispanic regions of the United States, and the
French-speaking regions of Canada) aren't used to
having to operate in a multilingual environment, and
can have little idea how difficult it is, but about
half of our fellow-citizens have to get by in a
foreign language in order to take any active part in
the international aspects of Nova Roma. Surely we can
learn to cope with a smattering of Latin phrases?

I'm very glad to hear that you accept the need for
Latin to be our natural language. Sadly we're a long
way away from that, but still we should be aiming to
increase the amount of Latin used in Nova Roma, not
decrease it. If you don't understand, have a guess, or
use a free online dictionary (there are many), or,
best of all, ask someone! There is no shortage of
people here willing to give free help to anyone who
asks.

The same can be said about political life here in the
republic. You're right, it is "sink or swim". So swim.
You're not swimming on your own: there are some two
thousand of us all swimming in the same direction.
There's lots of help available: not only are
individual citizens usually willing to help you with
specific problems but, as Flavia Tullia has mentioned,
there's a lot of information on the website and in
other places. But you have to do a little work
yourself. Perhaps it would be nice if we had the time
and resources to lay on a special "everything you need
to know about Nova Roma" course for every new citizen,
but we simply haven't; and even if we had, it would
have to end sooner or later. There's plenty of help
available, but we can't make a flow-chart saying "this
is what to do first, second, third..." There is no
"thing to do first". You do whatever you want. What do
you want to do?

Here are some people who ought to be willing to help
you if you ask:

- Your relatives (members of your gens and, if there
are any, members of your domus and familia);

- Your provincial governor and his or her assistants
(many provinciae have their own e-mail lists, and you
can count on these being in the local provincial
language!);

- Any relevant magistrates (e.g. the consules for
questions about politics, the praetores for questions
about law, the censores and rogatores for questions
about citizenship and status, the pontifices for
questions about religion, &c.);

- Sodalitates (special-interest groups - see the
website for details);

- Members of your tribe (to find out who's in your
tribe, go here:
http://www.novaroma.org/bin/view/tribe?tribe=35

It sounds from your comments as though many people
have already been helping you, particularly your
relatives. Well, good - that's what relatives are for.
Don't be shy about asking them or other people for
more help. None of us wants a good citizen to slip
into inactivity. We'll help you. But you have to tell
us you're there. Well, now you've told us you're here,
and look how many people have already said hello. I
hope others who have been feeling lost like yourself
will follow your example and make themselves known -
not necessarily here (the forum isn't for everyone)
but in their provinces, in their gentes and families,
in their tribes, in sodalitates, and so on.



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--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Flavia Scholastica <fororom@l...> wrote:

> Dear Mr. Markle (normally we say 'salve' to one person, but that is
> Latin...)
>
> Et salvete, quirites, socii, peregrinique omnes!
>
> (That means, greetings, citizens, allies/associates, and visitors, one
> and all!)

*****
Salve Flavia,

>
> To what province do you belong?

*****
America Austrorientalis

>
> I don't know where you get this impression--especially since, unless you
> have another prior address, you have been on the Main List of Nova Roma
> since---yesterday, for as praetorian scriba, I get the notices of
> subscriptions and unsubscriptions to and from the Main List of Nova Roma.
>

*****
Yes, I rejoined the list yesterday.

>
> In this prolonged period, I haven't seen a single post in Latin, or even
> a bilingual one. There was one in Spanish today translating a previous
> government notice which had been posted in English, however.
>

*****
Begging your pardon. I did not realise that I had implyed this list was a problem. As you noted, I've only been back one day.

It appears what I've written has been taken as criticism. I was only attempting to answer, and point out, something which had driven me away from Nova Roma the first time around.

This confusion will not happen again.

>
> Not everyone on this list is a citizen or prospective citizen of Nova
> Roma, however, but not even the majority of citizens are fluent in Latin.
> Only a handful of us are competent to write in Latin, though more can read
> it. The only Latin most citizens can handle is the simple greeting 'salve
> (singular)' or 'salvete' (plural) or 'ave' (singular) or 'avete' (plural),
> plus the closing 'vale (singular) and 'valete' (plural). Some know how to
> modify names for correct use with these greetings, but many do not.
>

*****
Perhaps I have chosen my terms poorly. I had not meant to imply that Latin use was excessive on this list.

>
> This is unfortunately true. Worse, what instruction has been offered in
> U.S. schools since the late 1960's has been watered down to the point that
> not even a semester of college Latin now qualifies as the equivalent of a
> month of high school Latin before that time. The same is true for modern
> languages, though less-than-minimal instruction in those tongues is at least
> more commonly available.
>

*****
Sad but true.

>
> Sounds familiar--but offering it at high school level, when there is
> more time available for electives, would have made better sense.
>

*****
Yes it would have.

>
> If so, it isn't because of the copious supply of Latin on the ML--or
> anywhere else.
> >>

*****
Again, I had not meant to imply this list was a problem.

>
> When you became affiliated with Nova Roma, you must have known that we
> had a Roman government with Roman magistrates, and that Latin was one of our
> official languages. Since you use a macro name, not a Roman one, I assume
> that you are not a citizen--and if so, haven't passed the citizenship
> examination which must be taken after about three months of citizenship.
> You would then be familiar with our government, and should have read the
> website, including the fine section on Latin instruction prepared by M.
> Apollonius Formosanus.
>

*****
Oddly enough I did notice that Latin was the language of Nova Roma.

I passed the citizenship exam back in Jan 2003.

Yes I read the website then, but I have yet to reread it. I do intend to reread these things during th course of this week.

>
> To repeat: There is very little Latin on the ML of Nova Roma, and
> nearly all which does exist here is simple greetings, closings, and titles
> of government officials. The latter should have been taught in high school
> world history, or college Western Civilization, if not in the Latin your
> school didn't offer. In either case, there are alternatives.
>

*****
No at that time HS here was more concerned with teaching me about Africa & Asia. And then in only broad and vague terms to boot.

>
> I think it's "NewRomanATyahoogroupDOTcom" but that is probably the
> mailing address; in order to join, you would have to access the website with
> a more complex address.
>

*****
Thank You. I'll search it out this week.

>
> If you were perplexed by our government, you should have asked
> someone--just introduce yourself and say that you need a little help. The
> government is described on the main website of Nova Roma under "Collis
> Capitolinus" (the Capitoline Hill); even without Latin, you should be able
> to figure out the rest as over half of the English vocabulary is of Latin
> origin.
>

*****
I do recall Latin being a root language of English. And I did seek help. And a good effort was made by those who responded to my questions.

>
> Reading all of the website would be a good start.
> >
> The website section on government is a good place to start. The one on
> Latin is another priority.
> >
> Perhaps you would also be interested in our Sodalitas Militarium.
> >

*****
Rereading the website is on my list for this week. As is the Latin section.

I'll look into Sodalitas Militarium as well. Thank You for the suggestion.

>
> Most of us aren't. However, the Academia Thules, which is affiliated
> with Nova Roma, will be offering two methods of Latin I instruction this
> Fall, one traditional starting in September, one more nature-method oriented
> starting in October, though the latter also requires a knowledge of either
> French or Italian, as the textbook is available only in those languages. In
> the mean time, please read and try to digest the website section on Latin.
> It is very helpful, and a fine introduction to the subject. This is your
> chance to learn Latin, and I suggest that you avail yourself of it.
>

*****
Thank You, I will.

>
>
> > Titus Octavious Decula
>
> "Octavius"--you are in the gens, or clan, Octavia; as a male, your
> nomen, or gens name, is "Octavius."
>

*****
I should have proof read my post. To bad I don't have spell check, it would be nice.

>
> Vale, et valete,
>
> Flavia Tullia Scholastica
> Assistant for Latin to Censor Marinus
> Nova Roman Interpreter of Latin
> (etc.)
>

*****
Many Thanks Flavia Tullia Scholastica. You have been most helpful.

Titus Octavius Decula

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@y...> wrote:

> G. Equitius Cato T. Octavio Deculae salutem plurimam dicit (Gaius
> Equitius Cato sends greetings to T. Octavius Decula) - or "S.P.D.".
>
> Salve, Octavius Decula (Hello).
>

<snip>
*****
Salve, Equitius Cato (correct I hope)

> That's a start: at least I hope you'll be able to follow the calendar
> a little better. Hey, I didn't know half this stuff until I started
> actually DOING the calendar - and I'm still learning :-)
>
> Vale bene (best wishes - literally, "go well")
>
> Cato

*****
What a useful posting. Even a fool such as I was able to understand what you were telling me.

I'm beginning to think my first attempt with Nova Roma might have been trying to do it all in one day, as it were. The "Biting off of too much."

I believe I will try a bit slower approach this time around.

Better to be slow and still understand, then to hurry and be frustrated again.

My Thanks Again to You Cato,

Vale bene Cato.

Octavius Decula

Avete, omnes!

I was going to ask the same question :-) (not that I am in any way
photogenic) . so I am sure some benign citizen will soon instruct us.

Valete bene!

Sextus Pilatus Barbatus



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how does one get their phot on their citizen's page?
Vale,
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> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Flavia Scholastica <fororom@l...> wrote:
>> Dear Mr. Markle (normally we say 'salve' to one person, but that is
>> Latin...)
>>
>> Et salvete, quirites, socii, peregrinique omnes!
>>
>> (That means, greetings, citizens, allies/associates, and visitors, one
>> and all!)
> *****
> Salve Flavia,
>
>>
>> To what province do you belong?
> *****
> America Austrorientalis
>
>>
>> I don't know where you get this impression--especially since, unless you
>> have another prior address, you have been on the Main List of Nova Roma
>> since---yesterday, for as praetorian scriba, I get the notices of
>> subscriptions and unsubscriptions to and from the Main List of Nova Roma.
>>
> *****
> Yes, I rejoined the list yesterday.
>
>>
>> In this prolonged period, I haven't seen a single post in Latin, or even
>> a bilingual one. There was one in Spanish today translating a previous
>> government notice which had been posted in English, however.
>>
> *****
> Begging your pardon. I did not realise that I had implyed this list was a
> problem. As you noted, I've only been back one day.

Your previous comments seemed to imply that Latin was a serious problem
for you, and that there was too much of it here in---New Rome.

>
> It appears what I've written has been taken as criticism. I was only
> attempting to answer, and point out, something which had driven me away from
> Nova Roma the first time around.
>

Earlier on there was even less Latin, and what there was was far less
accurate.

> This confusion will not happen again.
>

I hope not.

>>
>> Not everyone on this list is a citizen or prospective citizen of Nova
>> Roma, however, but not even the majority of citizens are fluent in Latin.
>> Only a handful of us are competent to write in Latin, though more can read
>> it. The only Latin most citizens can handle is the simple greeting 'salve
>> (singular)' or 'salvete' (plural) or 'ave' (singular) or 'avete' (plural),
>> plus the closing 'vale (singular) and 'valete' (plural). Some know how to
>> modify names for correct use with these greetings, but many do not.
>>
> *****
> Perhaps I have chosen my terms poorly. I had not meant to imply that Latin use
> was excessive on this list.
>

Good, but as above, it sure looked that way.

>>
>> This is unfortunately true. Worse, what instruction has been offered in
>> U.S. schools since the late 1960's has been watered down to the point that
>> not even a semester of college Latin now qualifies as the equivalent of a
>> month of high school Latin before that time. The same is true for modern
>> languages, though less-than-minimal instruction in those tongues is at least
>> more commonly available.
>>
> *****
> Sad but true.
>

Yes.

>>
>> Sounds familiar--but offering it at high school level, when there is
>> more time available for electives, would have made better sense.
>>
> *****
> Yes it would have.
>

Some schools do have Latin at middle school levels, often starting in
seventh grade, then continuing in eighth grade--I don't recall any starting
in eighth grade, or under the circumstances you mentioned.

>>
>> If so, it isn't because of the copious supply of Latin on the ML--or
>> anywhere else.
>>>>
> *****
> Again, I had not meant to imply this list was a problem.
>
>>
>> When you became affiliated with Nova Roma, you must have known that we
>> had a Roman government with Roman magistrates, and that Latin was one of our
>> official languages. Since you use a macro name, not a Roman one, I assume
>> that you are not a citizen--and if so, haven't passed the citizenship
>> examination which must be taken after about three months of citizenship.
>> You would then be familiar with our government, and should have read the
>> website, including the fine section on Latin instruction prepared by M.
>> Apollonius Formosanus.
>>
> *****
> Oddly enough I did notice that Latin was the language of Nova Roma.
>

Yes, isn't it strange that the Romans spoke Latin? How DID they ever do
it?

> I passed the citizenship exam back in Jan 2003.
>

To the best of my recollection, the citizenship exam wasn't required
until January of this year. I translated the relevant law last year when I
was censorial accensa.

> Yes I read the website then, but I have yet to reread it. I do intend to
> reread these things during th course of this week.
>

It really is quite helpful, and efforts have been made to make it more
so.

>>
>> To repeat: There is very little Latin on the ML of Nova Roma, and
>> nearly all which does exist here is simple greetings, closings, and titles
>> of government officials. The latter should have been taught in high school
>> world history, or college Western Civilization, if not in the Latin your
>> school didn't offer. In either case, there are alternatives.
>>
> *****
> No at that time HS here was more concerned with teaching me about Africa &
> Asia. And then in only broad and vague terms to boot.

These days the schools seem to confine their precise terminology to
sports and activities more suitable to 35 year olds than to schoolchildren
of whatever age. 'Afro-Asian' history seems to have vanished as well. 'Why
even try to be precise on academic matters' is their line of reasoning.
(for I have been a teacher, and a teacher's daughter). In my state,
Afro-Asian was a subject for junior high school, not senior high school,
though it's unlikely that they teach history at all now--there is too much
ignorance around for any instruction to have been provided.

>
>>
>> I think it's "NewRomanATyahoogroupDOTcom" but that is probably the
>> mailing address; in order to join, you would have to access the website with
>> a more complex address.
>>
> *****
> Thank You. I'll search it out this week.
>

Good. It's a fairly quiet group, intended to help newbies and keep them
away from the roughness which has been known to erupt on the ML.

>>
>> If you were perplexed by our government, you should have asked
>> someone--just introduce yourself and say that you need a little help. The
>> government is described on the main website of Nova Roma under "Collis
>> Capitolinus" (the Capitoline Hill); even without Latin, you should be able
>> to figure out the rest as over half of the English vocabulary is of Latin
>> origin.
>>
> *****
> I do recall Latin being a root language of English. And I did seek help. And a
> good effort was made by those who responded to my questions.
>

Yes, and Latin is the mother tongue of Spanish, Portuguese, Italian,
French, and Rumanian, inter alias. Many people here are quite willing to
help if asked politely.

>>
>> Reading all of the website would be a good start.
>>>
>> The website section on government is a good place to start. The one on
>> Latin is another priority.
>>>
>> Perhaps you would also be interested in our Sodalitas Militarium.
>>>
> *****
> Rereading the website is on my list for this week. As is the Latin section.
>

Good. You might want to check some of the laws passed last year which
alter some of the titles and duties of some of the minor magistrates in
particular.

> I'll look into Sodalitas Militarium as well. Thank You for the suggestion.
>

Good. The soldiers can get a bit rough at times, but there's a lot of
useful information there for anyone interested in the military, particularly
the ancient military.

>> Most of us aren't. However, the Academia Thules, which is affiliated
>> with Nova Roma, will be offering two methods of Latin I instruction this
>> Fall, one traditional starting in September, one more nature-method oriented
>> starting in October, though the latter also requires a knowledge of either
>> French or Italian, as the textbook is available only in those languages. In
>> the mean time, please read and try to digest the website section on Latin.
>> It is very helpful, and a fine introduction to the subject. This is your
>> chance to learn Latin, and I suggest that you avail yourself of it.
>>
> *****
> Thank You, I will.
>

It might be wise to review that website section thoroughly, but both of
the basic courses are intended to be just that--introductory, with no prior
knowledge of Latin required. Both will, however, require a good bit of work
on the part of the students.

>>
>>
>>> Titus Octavious Decula
>>
>> "Octavius"--you are in the gens, or clan, Octavia; as a male, your
>> nomen, or gens name, is "Octavius."
>>
> *****
> I should have proof read my post. To bad I don't have spell check, it would be
> nice.

It probably wouldn't catch a Latin word, though--mine doesn't.

>>
>> Vale, et valete,
>>
>> Flavia Tullia Scholastica
>> Assistant for Latin to Censor Marinus
>> Nova Roman Interpreter of Latin
>> (etc.)
>>
> *****
> Many Thanks Flavia Tullia Scholastica. You have been most helpful.

You're welcome! As I said, many of us are ready to help when
asked--politely at least.

>
> Titus Octavius Decula

Vale et valete iterum,

Flavia Tullia Scholastica

>
>

Salve, Cato, et salvete, omnes!

> G. Equitius Cato T. Octavio Deculae salutem plurimam dicit (Gaius
> Equitius Cato sends greetings to T. Octavius Decula) - or "S.P.D.".
>
> Salve, Octavius Decula (Hello).
>
> Grammatica Romae ne in usu quidem olim, nedum in honore ullo erat,
> rudi scilicet ac bellicosa etiam tum civitate, necdum magnopere
> liberalibus disciplinis vacante. Initium quoque eius mediocre extitit,
> siquidem antiquissimi doctorum, qui iidem et poetae et semigraeci
> erant, (Livium et Ennium dico, quos utraque lingua domi forisque
> docuisse adnotatum est) nihil amplius quam Graecos interpretabantur,
> aut si quid ipsi Latine composuissent praelegebant. Nam quod nonnulli
> tradunt duos libros de litteris syllabisque, item de metris ab eodem
> Ennio editos, iure arguit L. Cotta non poetae sed posterioris Ennii
> esse, cuius etiam de augurandi disciplina volumina ferantur.

Gee, Cato, I didn't think you had it in you to do this much Latin.
We'll have to promote you to Decuria I and haul you into Avitus'
intermediate class.

>
> Just kidding. I can explain a bit about the (pretty much) daily
> calendar postings I send, or at least the Latin bits in them. "OSD G.
> Equitius Cato" is "Omnibus Salutem Dicit", or "Cato says hi to everybody".
>
> The date is given according to the Roman calendar; for instance,
> today is "ante diem III Nonas Quintilis" - this means that it is three
> (III) days until the "nones" of "Quintilis".
>
> In the Roman calendar, each month is marked by three important days:
> the "kalends" (from which we get the word "calendar"), the "nones",
> and the "ides". The kalends are always the first day. The nones are
> either the fifth or the seventh day. The ides are usually the 15th,
> but sometimes the 13th. Every other day of each month is simply a
> countdown to one of these three days; the inevitable exceptions are
> that the day before each of these days is called "pridie" and the day
> after is called "postridie".

Actually, there ain't no such beast as postridie in the calendar--it is
a legitimate adverb, but the dates were counted from the next designated day
(Kalends, Nones, Ides)--the day after the Kalends was a.d. [whatever] Nonas
[of whatever month].

>
> The names of the months are pretty easy to figure out, except that
> rather than bow to that imperialistic running-dog capitalist family
> the Julio-Claudians (no offense meant to our current Julii or
> Claudii), I refuse to call July or August by their later, imperial-era
> (and current) names but rather what the Republican Romans called them:
> "Quintilis" (the fifth month) and "Sextilis" (the sixth month). Why
> fifth and sixth? because the Roman year originally started on 1 March.

Which was also Roman mothers' day: "Martiis caelebs quid agam Kalendis"
as Horace put it.

>
> There are BASICALLY six types of days:
>
> 1. dies comitiales, days when committees of citizens could vote on
> political or criminal matters.
> 2. dies fasti, days on which legal action is permitted.
> 3. dies nefasti, which meant that no legal action or public voting
> could take place on this day.
> 4. endotercisus, or intercisus, which were "in-between" fastus or
> comitialis days in which mornings and afternoons had different
> designations.
> 5. dies nefasti publici, which represented some important type of
> religious observance of which all records have disappeared. However,
> they all seem to be directly associated with major holidays.
> 6. dies fastus publicus, which represented some religious holiday, but
> no definition survives for this abbreviation.
>
> That's a start: at least I hope you'll be able to follow the calendar
> a little better. Hey, I didn't know half this stuff until I started
> actually DOING the calendar - and I'm still learning :-)

As the Greek proverb says, 'what we have to learn, we learn by doing.'

>
> Vale bene (best wishes - literally, "go well")
>
> Cato
>

Vale, et valete,

Flavia

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Salvete omnes!

Today is pridie Nonas Quintilis; the day is Nefastus.

"As they were going along in an almost continuous stream, Tullius, who
had gone on in advance, waited for them at the Ferentine Fountain.
Accosting their chief men as they came up in tones of complaint and
indignation, he led them, eagerly listening to words which accorded
with their own angry feelings, and through them the multitude, down to
the plain which stretched below the road. There he began a speech:
"Even though you should forget the wrongs that Rome has inflicted and
the defeats which the Volscian nation has suffered, though you should
forget everything else, with what temper, I should like to know, do
you brook this insult of yesterday, when they commenced their Games by
treating us with ignominy? Have you not felt that they have won a
triumph over you to-day, that as you departed you were a spectacle to
the townsfolk, to the strangers, to all those neighbouring
populations; that your wives, your children, were paraded as a
gazing-stock before men's eyes? What do you suppose were the thoughts
of those who heard the voice of the criers, those who watched us
depart, those who met this ignominious cavalcade? What could they have
thought but that there was some awful guilt cleaving to us, so that if
we had been present at the Games we should have profaned them and made
an expiation necessary, and that this was the reason why we were
driven away from the abodes of these good and religious people and
from all intercourse and association with them? Does it not occur to
you that we owe our lives to the haste with which we departed, if we
may call it a departure and not a flight? And do you count this City
as anything else than the City of your enemies, where, had you
lingered a single day, you would all have been put to death? War has
been declared against you-to the great misery of those who have
declared it, if you are really men." So they dispersed to their homes,
with their feelings of resentment embittered by this harangue. They so
worked upon the feelings of their fellow-countrymen, each in his own
city, that the whole Volscian nation revolted." - Livy, History of
Rome 2.38

On this day were held the Ludi Apollinares. During a rather bad year
(212 B.C.) in the Second Punic War (though they did have a good win at
Syracuse), and several years after their crushing defeat by the
Carthaginian Hannibal at the Battle of Cannae, the Romans consulted
the ancient seer Marcius for his reading from the sacred texts, the
Sibylline Oracles. Marcius advised them to hold games in honour of
the Greek sun god, Apollo, in order to obtain his aid. Four years
later when a plague broke out, the senators of Rome decided to make
the Ludi Apollinares permanent and over the course of the next two
centuries the games came to be a festival lasting eight days, the
principal sacrifice being made on July 13.

The Ludi Apollinares were superintended by the praetor urbane, and ten
men sacrificed to Apollo, according to Greek rites, with a bull, two
white goats and a heifer, all with gilt horns. The games were held in
the Circus Maximus, where spectators were adorned with chaplets. In
208 B.C. it was proclaimed to be celebrated on July 6.


Today is also the beginning of the famous event in Pamplona (formerly
Pampeluna), northern Spain, capital of the Navarra autonomous region.
The festival is known locally as Sanfermines and is in honor of Saint
Fermin (Firminus of Amiens), the patron saint of Pamplona and Navarra
as a whole. Each July, Pamplona celebrates the feast of San Fermín
(who was martyred by being dragged by bulls through the streets of
Pamplona), by running bulls though the streets to the bullring, and
with bullfights, jai alai matches, fireworks, and singing contests.

It might be romantic to think that Pamplona's Be Cruel to Bulls Day
had ancient origins in the Ludi Apollinares, because both share July 6
as their day of commemoration and because of the association each has
with bulls. However, there are 13th century and 14th century texts
referring to the event and we know that up until the 15th century, the
festival was held in October but was moved to July to avoid
unpredictable weather.

In more recent years, beginning with the publication of Ernest
Hemingway's novel in 1926 about the event ("The Sun Also Rises"), a
large number of runners are tourists. Since A.D. 1924, 14 people have
been killed (the most recent, a 22-year-old American in 1995), and 200
have been injured. The chupinazo (opening ceremony) is on July 6 at
noon. After nine days of carousing, the people of Pamplona and
tourists meet in the Plaza Consistorial at midnight on July 14, with
the mournful notes of the traditional song "Pobre de Mí" ("Poor Me"),
ringing out in a magical, candlelit ending. Ole!

Valete bene!

Cato

G. Equitius Cato F. Tulliae Scholasticae quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve Flavia Scholastica, et salvete omnes!

Flavia Scholastica, you wrote:

"Actually, there ain't no such beast as postridie in the calendar--it
is a legitimate adverb, but the dates were counted from the next
designated day (Kalends, Nones, Ides)--the day after the Kalends was
a.d. [whatever] Nonas [of whatever month]."


The surviving *Republican* Roman calendars we have do not show a
"postridie" designation. As you've mentioned, however, the term was
used often in Roman literature, e.g.:

"Postridie eius diei Caesar praesidium utrisque castris, quod satis
esse visum est, reliquit; omnes alarios in conspectu hostium pro
castris minoribus constituit, quod minus multitudine militum
legionariorum pro hostium numero valebat, ut ad speciem alariis
uteretur; ipse triplici instructa acie usque ad castra hostium
accessit." - Caesar, de Bello Gallico, 1.51

"Pater familias, ubi ad villam venit, ubi larem familiarem salutavit,
fundum eodem die, si potest, circumeat, si non eodem die, at
postridie." - Cato, de Agricultura ch. 3

"...nolim enim mihi fingere asotos, ut soletis, qui in mensam vomant,
et qui de conviviis auferantur crudique postridie se rursus
ingurgitent, qui solem, ut aiunt, nec occidentem umquam viderint nec
orientem, qui consumptis patrimoniis egeant." - Cicero, De Finibus 2.8.23

but, in fact, there are surviving fragments of *Imperial* Roman
calendars with both the "ante diem" designation and the "postridie"
designation for the same date.

Now, I know that in view of my distaste for the Imperial month names,
it might seem odd that I'd be willing to attach a designation to the
calendar that is also Imperial. All I can say is that it has often
been considered a mark of genius that one can hold in one's mind two
entirely contradictory ideas :-)

That, and I just like the sound of "postridie".

Vale et valete!

Cato

Salvete Omnes,

Please join me in congratulating Brittania who was given the great honour
of hosting the Olympics. I shall be in Londinium in 2763 to applaud world
athletes.

My heart bleeds, however, for my friends and compatriots of Gallia and I am
torn today between joy and a terrible disappointment and sadness: the best
blessings often come at a price.

Valete

C. Moravius Laureatus Armoricus
Legatus Britanniae


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Yes congratulations to Britannia on hosting THE WORLD in 2763. I am going to start saving now to go.

And our best wishes for Paris for a good try and see you in Paris in 2767.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Salvete Omnes,

Please join me in congratulating Brittania who was given the great honour
of hosting the Olympics. I shall be in Londinium in 2763 to applaud world
athletes.

My heart bleeds, however, for my friends and compatriots of Gallia and I am
torn today between joy and a terrible disappointment and sadness: the best
blessings often come at a price.

Valete

C. Moravius Laureatus Armoricus
Legatus Britanniae


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Salvete Omnes,

at http://www.novaroma.org/via_romana/reenactments/toga.html there are
the instructions to create a toga.
Have you further sources about the toga pratexta?

valete
Fr. Apulus Caesar
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Valetudo quod fortuna,

On 7/6/05, laurent_coffre@... <laurent_coffre@...> wrote:
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> Please join me in congratulating Brittania who was given the great honour
> of hosting the Olympics. I shall be in Londinium in 2763 to applaud world
> athletes.
>
> My heart bleeds, however, for my friends and compatriots of Gallia and I am
> torn today between joy and a terrible disappointment and sadness: the best
> blessings often come at a price.
>
> Valete
>
> C. Moravius Laureatus Armoricus
> Legatus Britanniae
>

In Deed, congratulations to the people of Brittania. I know they
shall be up to the task of hosting the world. As an American who was
hoping that Nova Eboracum would be the "last man standing," I shall
say, "the best man won."

Cor unum.

=========================================
In amicitia quod fides -
Stephanus Ullerius Venator Piperbarbus
Civis, Patrician, Paterfamilias et Lictor

Religio Septentrionalis - Poet

http://anheathenreader.blogspot.com/

I personally am relieved that we New Yorkers will not
host the games. We are absolutely inundated w/ people
as it is I can only imagine 2012. NYC cops NOT sad.
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <spqr753@...> wrote:

> Salve Romans
>
> Yes congratulations to Britannia on hosting THE

WORLD in 2763. I am going to start saving now to go.

>
> And our best wishes for Paris for a good try and see

you in Paris in 2767.

>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> ----- Original Message -----
> From:

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> To:

Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:11 AM
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] Olympias
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Salvete Omnes,
>
> Please join me in congratulating Brittania who was

given the great honour

> of hosting the Olympics. I shall be in Londinium

in 2763 to applaud world

> athletes.
>
> My heart bleeds, however, for my friends and

compatriots of Gallia and I am

> torn today between joy and a terrible

disappointment and sadness: the best

> blessings often come at a price.
>
> Valete
>
> C. Moravius Laureatus Armoricus
> Legatus Britanniae
>
>
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Salvete omnes!

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, raymond fuentes
<praefectus2324@y...> wrote:

> I personally am relieved that we New Yorkers will not
> host the games. We are absolutely inundated w/ people
> as it is I can only imagine 2012. NYC cops NOT sad.

CATO: Hear hear! NYers who work with the general public not sad
either :-)

But congrats to Brittannia and Londinium in particular; have fun!

Valete optimae,

Cato

Salvete omnes,

Congratulations to London on winning the bid. Like our news said
last night, be careful what you pray for since you may get it.
Depending on politics, the world situation, cost overuns etc. a city
may make a fortune as did LA or Salt Lake or they may have to dig
out of the hole for 30 years at the taxpayers' expense as did
Montreal. When Toronto failed to get the bid a few years back I had
mixed feelings - a sense of disappointment for national pride but
also a sense of relief not to be stuck with such a big burden that
could swing either way.

Regards,

QLP




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, raymond fuentes
<praefectus2324@y...> wrote:

> I personally am relieved that we New Yorkers will not
> host the games. We are absolutely inundated w/ people
> as it is I can only imagine 2012. NYC cops NOT sad.
> --- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <spqr753@m...> wrote:
> > Salve Romans
> >
> > Yes congratulations to Britannia on hosting THE
> WORLD in 2763. I am going to start saving now to go.
>
> >
> > And our best wishes for Paris for a good try and see
> you in Paris in 2767.
> >
> > Vale
> >
> > Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
> > ----- Original Message -----
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> > Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 9:11 AM
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> > Salvete Omnes,
> >
> > Please join me in congratulating Brittania who was
> given the great honour
> > of hosting the Olympics. I shall be in Londinium
> in 2763 to applaud world
> > athletes.
> >
> > My heart bleeds, however, for my friends and
> compatriots of Gallia and I am
> > torn today between joy and a terrible
> disappointment and sadness: the best
> > blessings often come at a price.
> >
> > Valete
> >
> > C. Moravius Laureatus Armoricus
> > Legatus Britanniae
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> >
> >
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Voting in the Senate has finished and the results of the vote are posted below:



SENATE AGENDA ITEM 1 - Propraetor of Dacia
"The Senate appoints Titus Iulius Sabinus Propraetor of the province
of Dacia"


All voting Senators voted Uti Rogas ("yes"). They were:

Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Marcus Arminius Maior
Patricia Cassia
Manius Constantinus Serapio
Emilia Curia Finnica
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
Gaia Fabia Livia
CaesoFabius Buteo Quintilianus
Quintus Fabius Maximus
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Marcus Iulius Perusianus
Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus
Titus Labienus Fortunatus
Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens
Pompeia Minucius-Tiberius Strabo
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Gaius Popillius Laenas
Gnaeus Salvius Astur
Julilla Sempronia Magna
Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato

The following Senators did not cast a vote:

Lucius Arminius Faustus
Marcus Cassius Julianus
Lucius Cornelius Sulla elix
Gaius Marius Merullus
Lucius Sergius Australicus
Lucius Sicinius Drusus

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Salvete omnes,

I was thinking about the NR population and the upcoming census over
the last few days.

Experience in various volunteer type organizations over the years is
that there will always be 10% of the members who are hard cored
enthusiasts and dedicated to the cause come hell or high water while
most of the other members are there to observe or come and go as
they see fit, partaking in various activities but not wanting to get
committed or involved.
Nova Roma seems no different to me in that aspect. We have a base
core of citizens here who are very dedicated to NR yet have opposing
views off and on.
I checked the Album Civium and much to my pleasant surprise, I see
that most of the grass root foes of this particular administration,
though saying little or nothing lately are still on the rosters and
have paid their taxes. Should electoral fortunes swing the other way
next year, I am confident that all these citizens on both sides of
the fence shall still be here and dedicated as always.

Hopefully, in my opinion, NR can concentrate on attracting people of
quality rather than only aiming for quantity. The 90 day waiting
period and test to gain citizenship is indeed a step in the right
direction.
Also, the way I see it, people who quit or resign over a tiff or an
insult perhaps do not have the wherewithal to be your "Stoic" type
Roman anyway and would find some other reason for leaving rather
than jumping in, taking up the reigns, volunteering to help in a
position and thereby getting a respected voice trying to right the
wrongs he or she perceives. Ye gods, even in my province, a few long
inactive citizens who wished to quit a few months back neither had
the will or energy to send letters of citizenship resignation into
the censors so Quintus Sertorius and I had to do the paper work for
them so I doubt that scribe work to a political office was really
ever in their future dreams or agendas!

Such is life in Nova Roma and so it goes in other organizations I am
familiar with so the dedicated core citizens here should not blame
or at least be too harsh on themselves.

Regards,

Quintus Lanius Paulinus

Although I am not unhappy about losing the Olympics,I
wish Londoners all the best.I owe Brit troops my life
on at least 3 hoohas.I will always love the British.
--- Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com <mlcinnyc@...>
wrote:

> G. Equitius Cato quirites S.P.D.
>
> Salvete omnes!
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, raymond fuentes
> <praefectus2324@y...> wrote:
> > I personally am relieved that we New Yorkers will

not

> > host the games. We are absolutely inundated w/

people

> > as it is I can only imagine 2012. NYC cops NOT

sad.

>
> CATO: Hear hear! NYers who work with the general

public not sad

> either :-)
>
> But congrats to Brittannia and Londinium in

particular; have fun!

>
> Valete optimae,
>
> Cato
>
>
>
>
>

S P Q R

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SALVETE !

I thanks to the Senate for the trust. I want to say a few words. I belive this is a normal feeling.
I discovered NR by chance in november 2757. After one minute I completed the application form for the citizenship. It was normal, because, when in his life someone belive in something, the time to take a decision is very short. Sometime in our life we can " feel " a good way. For me, NR it was and it is a good way. A good way for what ? First to understand what it means to be a roman. Then, to become a roman. Finnaly to live in every day like a roman. I try to extend all of that in my life. It isn't easy. It's a long and permanent course. The life is to short to understand the phenomenon. But is my duty to do all the best in this matter. It's a treaty with my counsciousness. It's the way in which I can live confortable with myself. The equilibrum and the harmony way. In this concrete case, the roman way.
When we can understand correctly something, I belive, is wonderful to teach another persons. The knowledge are going far away. We can start - sure this is a good point - but more important is to create the circumstances for the development. To create the circumstances for another persons to continue your work or your dream. Maybe from here the difference between theory to practice are starting. I think that will be a good policy in my province.
Nothing it isn't fortuitous. A dacian philosopher explained the universal connection law very interesting : " we can't move our fingers without starting a storm in stars". Here, in NR, all of us are in this kind of connection. More or less. The connection is inside. Our energy it must be centred outside. In this way more peoples will understand us. Then they will join us. That is another good policy for my province.
A lot from the mailing list are still searching for answers. They try to understand what NR it means. The answer is very simple. We are NR. We, with our wishes, our dreams, our ambitions and our vanities. NR is the mirror of all of these. All what we need is to have the necessary courage to present public what we want. Sure a result will appear in time.
What we can expect from NR ? All what we are doing for NR. Another good point for my province.
Only the time can demonstrate all of these. Let's have a good time ! Because only the Gods can know the truth !

VALETE,
IVL SABINVS

Marcus Bianchius Antonius <imperialreign@...> wrote:


Voting in the Senate has finished and the results of the vote are posted below:



SENATE AGENDA ITEM 1 - Propraetor of Dacia
"The Senate appoints Titus Iulius Sabinus Propraetor of the province
of Dacia"


All voting Senators voted Uti Rogas ("yes"). They were:

Franciscus Apulus Caesar
Marcus Arminius Maior
Patricia Cassia
Manius Constantinus Serapio
Emilia Curia Finnica
Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
Lucius Equitius Cincinnatus Augur
Gaia Fabia Livia
CaesoFabius Buteo Quintilianus
Quintus Fabius Maximus
Caius Flavius Diocletianus
Antonius Gryllus Graecus
Marcus Iulius Perusianus
Decius Iunius Palladius Invictus
Titus Labienus Fortunatus
Marcus Minucius-Tiberius Audens
Pompeia Minucius-Tiberius Strabo
Marcus Octavius Germanicus
Gaius Popillius Laenas
Gnaeus Salvius Astur
Julilla Sempronia Magna
Appius Tullius Marcellus Cato

The following Senators did not cast a vote:

Lucius Arminius Faustus
Marcus Cassius Julianus
Lucius Cornelius Sulla elix
Gaius Marius Merullus
Lucius Sergius Australicus
Lucius Sicinius Drusus

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Marcus Bianchius Antonius

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Marcus Bianchius Antonius
Propraetor, The Great Provincia Lacus Magni
Paterfamilias, gens Bianchia
Tribune, Nova Roma

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Roman mosaic "worthy of Botticelli"
By Dalya Alberge
june 13th, 2005

A spectacular Roman mosaic discovered in Libya has been hailed as
one of the finest examples of the artform to have survived.
British scholars yesterday described the 2,000-year-old depiction of
an exhausted gladiator as one of the finest examples of
representational mosaic art they have seen — a masterpiece
comparable in quality with the Alexander mosaic in Pompeii.
Mark Merrony, an archaeologist who specialises in Roman art,
said: "What struck me was the realism of the depiction. It's
absolutely extraordinary.


"I have examined hundreds of mosaics across the Roman Empire, but I
have never seen such a vibrantly realistic depiction of a human.
"The image of the recumbent gladiator is nothing less than a Roman
masterpiece executed by the Sandro Botticelli of his day. The human
expression is captured in a realistic manner hitherto unknown in
Roman mosaics."
Archaeologists from the University of Hamburg were working along the
coast of Libya when they uncovered a 30-ft stretch of five
multicoloured mosaics created during the 1st or 2nd century. The
mosaics show with extraordinary clarity four young men wrestling a
wild bull to the ground, a warrior in combat with a deer and a
gladiator. The gladiator is shown in a state of fatigue, staring at
his slain opponent.
The mosaics decorated the cold plunge pool of a bath house within a
Roman villa at Wadi Lebda in Leptis Magna, one of the greatest
cities of antiquity.
Although the discovery was initially made in 2000, by Dr Marliese
Wendowski of the University of Hamburg, it has been kept secret
until now, partly to ensure that the excavations were not disturbed
by looters.
It was also initially difficult for archaeologists to enter Libya.
But since a settlement with the families of the Lockerbie victims
and the lifting of international sanctions, the situation has
changed.
Libya is now keen to open the country to tourists and these mosaics
are being placed on public display at the Leptis Magna Mosaic Museum.
The full story of the discovery will be told in the July-August
issue of Minerva, a London-based international review of ancient art
and archaeology, which is published this week.
Dr Merrony, the deputy editor, whose doctorate from Oxford
University was on ancient mosaics, said: "The image of the gladiator
is executed in a manner that is so convincingly realistic that it
appears to have been painted.
"Works of Renaissance art by Botticelli and others are well-known
for deriving their inspiration from the human form in Classical art,
but to find a Renaissance image on the floor of a Roman villa is
unique."