Salve, Tiberi Galeri Pauline, et salvete quirites, socii, peregrinique
omnes!

> Salve Romans FYI
>
> From David Meadow's Explorer
>
> Handy little lexicon of Latin (and Greek) phrases:
>
> http://www.sacklunch.net/Latin/index.html<about:blank>
>
> Audio files for Wheelock:
>
> http://www.wheelockslatin.com/chapters/one/index.html<about:blank>
>

These sound quite intriguing--but I got a 404 error when I attempted to
access them--both of them.

>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

Vale, et valete,

A.Tullia Scholastica

>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

SALVE CALVUS,

>we all know that the earth is
> flat and is carried
> on the back of 4 elephants which in turn stand on
> the back of the Great A'Tun which is a turtle approx

<10000 miles in diameter.

YES, THAT IS TRUE.

VALE,
DEATH



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I accessed them ok this morning - the Latin phrases (and the Greek ones!)
are very useful indeed, and there are dozens of them!

Thanks for posting them.

Sextus Pilatus Barbatus



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Salve, Tiberi Galeri Pauline, et salvete quirites, socii, peregrinique
omnes!

> Salve Romans FYI
>
> From David Meadow's Explorer
>
> Handy little lexicon of Latin (and Greek) phrases:
>
> http://www.sacklunch.net/Latin/index.html<about:blank>
>
> Audio files for Wheelock:
>
> http://www.wheelockslatin.com/chapters/one/index.html<about:blank>
>

These sound quite intriguing--but I got a 404 error when I attempted to
access them--both of them.

>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

Vale, et valete,

A.Tullia Scholastica

>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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OSD G. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

I almost forgot! Today is the celebration of the National Day of
Switzerland!

On August the first, the whole country gathers in public places around
bonfires and listens to speeches about the independence of the country
from the Austrian rulers, which started with the Rutli Pact of A.D. 1291.

The Rutli, a meadow surrounded by forest, nestles on the shores of
Lake Urner, the southern arm of Lake Lucerne. This was where the myth
of the Rütli Oath began. The story tells of how in the summer of 1291,
men from the cantons of Uri, Schwyz and Unterwalden joined together to
found the Swiss Federation. Although there is no documented proof, a
Letter of Alliance dated 1291 substantiates that people living around
the lake discussed common problems, administrated common property and
wanted to use their united strength to settle disputes. Most probably
this awareness of unity was not created in one simple act but
developed over a period of years.

The first of August is celebrated solely in the municipalities. Only
one radio and television broadcast of a speech by the President of the
Confederation currently in office reminds the Swiss that their cities
are united in cantons, which in turn makes the Helvetic Confederation.
Thought-provoking words from an eminent cultural or political speaker,
songs and music, gymnastic shows and group performances of the Swiss
national anthem are the traditional elements of the holiday.

Many municipalities set off fireworks, and these spectacular light
shows are often ignited from the mountains and hills. They serve as a
reminder of the expulsion of the foreign bailiffs in the 14th century,
for the great news was announced in this very way. The children march
through the streets at dusk with candle-lit Chinese lanterns. Flags
with the arms of the Confederation, the canton and the municipality
fly proudly above public and private buildings alike. Even the bakers
get involved, decorating their rolls of bread with little Swiss flags.
The holiday takes on a whole new dimension at Neuhausen am Rheinfall
in the Canton of Schaffhouse, with the illumination of the 25-meter
high Rhine waterfalls.

This extravaganza is completed by a great fireworks display that draws
throngs of spectators. And, like everywhere else, speeches, songs,
music and the national anthem animate the evening.

Valete bene!

Cato

Salve Proconsul et Omnes.

Personally, I'd go with the name Xeno as a nod to it's unofficial
name as well as being the greek for "foreigner" or "stranger" as in
the current debates over what constitutes a planet. This may not be
appropriate for planets though it seems to apply to satellites.

Here's some articles I found on the subject of planetary names:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/3515658.stm
http://www.sundayherald.com/51061

Vale et Valete,

L. Fidelius Graecus

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus
<gawne@c...> wrote:

> Salvete omnes,
>
> The discoverer has tentatively named it Xena, after his favorite TV
> character. Fortunately the IAU will not accept that.
>
> If there ends up being a public write-in effort to "name the new

planet"

> I'll post information here.
>
> Valete,
>
> Marinus

G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana G. Fabio Buteoni Modiano omnibusque
salutem plurimam dicit.

Silvanus & City Hall, Part II

Or: the second chapter in a tale of how the matter of a few big
trees makes for an interesting interface between macro and micro
worlds. (I became involved because the five deities of domus
Aurelia Falconis include Deus Silvanus, and commitment to Deus
Silvanus includes acting in defense of wild places . . .and
trees :-) ).

SUMMARY of Part I (Post 36420):

Vancouver Island (Regio Columbia, Canada Occidentalis) has some
of the most spectacular trees in the world. It also has logged-
off areas locally called "the moon" for their barrenness. In
July, our community's City Hall decided to sell off a piece of
land near the waterfront for "development"--land downtown which,
amazingly, still has old-growth trees on it. The original
deadline for purchase proposals was July 28. Led by a retired
couple, a totally ad hoc, unorganized group (including myself)
set out to stop the sale of the land and its grove of fir trees.

PROGRESS:
On July 22, we began scrambling to collect signatures on a
petition to keep the land and trees in public ownership. My
contacts in our local environmental coalition quickly joined
us. We also received support from two previous Citizens of the
Year. In under six days, with no organization, no advertising,
and no funding, we were able to collect 363 signaures (they are
still coming in).

On July 25, the couple leading this campaign made a presentation
to City Council. As a result of this presentation, and following
questions of clarification, we received a very important public
commitment from City Council. During the meeting, the City
Manager had twice confirmed that, because the land required no
re-zoning, no public hearing was required. In other words, the
citizens would have no say in what happened to the land. However,
the Mayor stated that, because we had gathered so many signatures,
Council would be "obligated" to hold a public hearing. One of
the councilors reinforced this, saying the number of signatures
meant Council had a "moral duty" to hold a public hearing before
signing a sales agreement. The commitment was recorded by local
television and the local newspaper.

Immediately following the meeting, another councilor told us
that "those same trees" are in waterfront photographs from
the turn of the 20th century (ie, circa 1900). This confirms
our own estimates that a number of the trees are between
100 - 200 years old.

On July 27, the story was on the front page of our local news-
paper, with a photograph taken in the grove. The reporter was
very fair in his presentation. The original deadline for
purchase proposals has been extended from July 28 to August 18.

The age of the trees has opened up an additional strategy. We
will investigate having a "Preservation Order" placed on the
trees themselves, as historical property.

COMMENT:
I post this report as one small example of the principles of
Religio Romana applied in the macro world. The deities of the
domus are privately honored twice daily. I also conducted a
private ritual in the grove in the name of Deus Silvanus
(detailed in Post 36420), which has created a profound sense of
personal bonding to the grove. But working on public, community
issues is also an offering and a service.

"There is only one fruit of this terrene life: a pious
disposition and social acts."
M. Aurelius Antoninus, VI xxx


Vale, et valete omnes in pace Deorum

G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana

Salve Luci Fideli, et salvete omnes,

lucius_fidelius <nexus909@...> writes:

> Personally, I'd go with the name Xeno as a nod to it's unofficial
> name as well as being the greek for "foreigner" or "stranger" as in
> the current debates over what constitutes a planet. This may not be
> appropriate for planets though it seems to apply to satellites.
>
> Here's some articles I found on the subject of planetary names:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/3515658.stm
> http://www.sundayherald.com/51061

Thanks for the links. I've been in contact with Mike Wilson, the head of the
team that discovered this object, and he agrees that Persephone or Prosperine
would have been ideal. Unfortunately both names have been claimed already in
what I can only call errors of oversight. But however it happened, both
those names have been given to minor planets, and are thus in use and not
available.

Mike hastened to assure me that his use of Xena is a joke, intended for
internal use within the team only. He has come up with a serious name that
he's sent to the IAU for consideration. Right now it's a secret, since his
experience with this process is that it can take several iterations before
they come up with a name that everybody agrees upon.

Vale, et valete,

-- Marinus

Salvete omnes,

Just minutes ago I wrote:

> I've been in contact with Mike Wilson, [...]

I should have said Mike Brown. Mike Wilson is a current colleague of mine,
but had nothing to do with this discovery. Michael E. Brown of Caltech is
the head of the team.

-- Marinus

G. Equitius Cato G. Aureliae Falconi Silvanae quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salve Aurelia Silvana et salvete omnes.

"I am the Lorax. I speak for the trees!" - Dr. Suess, The Lorax (1971)

Well done! Roman virtues + action = a group of trees retaining their
venerable place.

As you undoubtedly know, I live in New York, and trees, though not as
abundant as in, say, the Yukon, still thrive on the island of
Manhattan. I have been part of a volunteer group under the auspices
of the Parks Department to measure, identify, and count the trees in
the City.

It's been an odd experience. I have often considered "nature" to be
the thing one goes through in between one's apartment and a taxi. I
like the fact that Central Park, which is just stuffed with trees, has
stone walls around it just in case they get any ideas of breaking free
and roaming to and fro upon the island (and up and down on it) seeking
whom they may devour. But there I've been, roaming my bit of the City
with notebook, pencil, and tape measure in hand.

To date, the total number of trees counted is 44,545 --- and that
DOESN'T include Central Park.

Vale et valete,

Cato

G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana Gaio Equitio Catoni omnibusque SPD.

WOW! I have a whole new impression of N'Yawk. Who would've
believed that much green in that city?

In Japan, where I lived for more than a few years, trees in
historical sites often have tags attached indicating their
importance (and estimated age, as I recall).

But seriously, you're involved in a really significant project.
I wonder if other cities have this kind of inventory?

Vale, et valete bene in pace Deorum.

G. Aurelia Falconis Silvana




--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "gaiusequitiuscato" <mlcinnyc@y...>
wrote:

> G. Equitius Cato G. Aureliae Falconi Silvanae quiritibusque S.P.D.
>
> Salve Aurelia Silvana et salvete omnes.
>
> "I am the Lorax. I speak for the trees!" - Dr. Suess, The Lorax

(1971)

>
> Well done! Roman virtues + action = a group of trees retaining

their

> venerable place.
>
> As you undoubtedly know, I live in New York, and trees, though not

as

> abundant as in, say, the Yukon, still thrive on the island of
> Manhattan. I have been part of a volunteer group under the auspices
> of the Parks Department to measure, identify, and count the trees in
> the City.
>
> It's been an odd experience. I have often considered "nature" to be
> the thing one goes through in between one's apartment and a taxi. I
> like the fact that Central Park, which is just stuffed with trees,

has

> stone walls around it just in case they get any ideas of breaking

free

> and roaming to and fro upon the island (and up and down on it)

seeking

> whom they may devour. But there I've been, roaming my bit of the

City

> with notebook, pencil, and tape measure in hand.
>
> To date, the total number of trees counted is 44,545 --- and that
> DOESN'T include Central Park.
>
> Vale et valete,
>
> Cato

Salve A. Tullia Scholastica

I just tried they both from your e-mail and they worked for me???

Vale

TGp

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To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] From David Meadow's Explorer


Salve, Tiberi Galeri Pauline, et salvete quirites, socii, peregrinique
omnes!

> Salve Romans FYI
>
> From David Meadow's Explorer
>
> Handy little lexicon of Latin (and Greek) phrases:
>
> http://www.sacklunch.net/Latin/index.html<http://www.sacklunch.net/Latin/index.html><about:blank>
>
> Audio files for Wheelock:
>
> http://www.wheelockslatin.com/chapters/one/index.html<http://www.wheelockslatin.com/chapters/one/index.html><about:blank>
>
These sound quite intriguing--but I got a 404 error when I attempted to
access them--both of them.
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

Vale, et valete,

A.Tullia Scholastica



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Salve Marinus

I was wondering if the people who name space objects ever make the real world discover that they have used the wrong name for something (or just want to us it for this new planet) and rename it thus freeing up the name say Persephone or Prosperine.

Just a thought.

Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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From: Gnaeus Equitius Marinus<mailto:gawne@...>
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 10:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] Re: What should the new 10th planet be named?


Salve Luci Fideli, et salvete omnes,

lucius_fidelius <nexus909@...<mailto:nexus909@...>> writes:

> Personally, I'd go with the name Xeno as a nod to it's unofficial
> name as well as being the greek for "foreigner" or "stranger" as in
> the current debates over what constitutes a planet. This may not be
> appropriate for planets though it seems to apply to satellites.
>
> Here's some articles I found on the subject of planetary names:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/3515658.stm<http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/3515658.stm>
> http://www.sundayherald.com/51061<http://www.sundayherald.com/51061>

Thanks for the links. I've been in contact with Mike Wilson, the head of the
team that discovered this object, and he agrees that Persephone or Prosperine
would have been ideal. Unfortunately both names have been claimed already in
what I can only call errors of oversight. But however it happened, both
those names have been given to minor planets, and are thus in use and not
available.

Mike hastened to assure me that his use of Xena is a joke, intended for
internal use within the team only. He has come up with a serious name that
he's sent to the IAU for consideration. Right now it's a secret, since his
experience with this process is that it can take several iterations before
they come up with a name that everybody agrees upon.

Vale, et valete,

-- Marinus


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I just tried they both that is I tried THEM both...

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Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:49 AM
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Salve A. Tullia Scholastica

I just tried they both from your e-mail and they worked for me???

Vale

TGp
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Salve, Tiberi Galeri Pauline, et salvete quirites, socii, peregrinique
omnes!

> Salve Romans FYI
>
> From David Meadow's Explorer
>
> Handy little lexicon of Latin (and Greek) phrases:
>
> http://www.sacklunch.net/Latin/index.html<http://www.sacklunch.net/Latin/index.html><http://www.sacklunch.net/Latin/index.html<http://www.sacklunch.net/Latin/index.html>><about:blank>
>
> Audio files for Wheelock:
>
> http://www.wheelockslatin.com/chapters/one/index.html<http://www.wheelockslatin.com/chapters/one/index.html><http://www.wheelockslatin.com/chapters/one/index.html<http://www.wheelockslatin.com/chapters/one/index.html>><about:blank>
>
These sound quite intriguing--but I got a 404 error when I attempted to
access them--both of them.
>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

Vale, et valete,

A.Tullia Scholastica



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Salve Tiberi Galeri,

You asked:

> Salve Marinus
>
> I was wondering if the people who name space objects ever make the real
> world discover that they have used the wrong name for something (or just
> want to us it for this new planet) and rename it thus freeing up the name
> say Persephone or Prosperine.

It's never happened yet for a major or minor planet. On the other hand, the
IAU did change the names of several constellations from the names used in
antiquity. So there is some precedent for changing a name.

I don't see it happening though. It would open such a huge can of worms that
Pandora's box would look like a quiet little thing by comparison.

Vale,

-- Marinus

> LEX POPILLIA SENATORIA
>
> This lex follows the institutions of the kings in
> establishing a
> maximum size for the senate, and the lex Ovinia of
> c.318 in setting
> guidelines for the selection of new senatores.

I would like to add my voice to those in support of
this proposal, and urge everyone to vote in favour
when it is placed before the assembly.

I'm not going to go on at great length about why I
think this is a good law, unless anyone wants me to -
I believe the text speaks for itself - but I do think
it will have the necessary effects and generally go
some way towards a more historical senate.

Livia




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Salve Romans

As I was reading today I came across this passage:

"Wells, an old-time British socialist, needs to be read with some caution, but he ruthlessly strips away the romantic image of Rome. Wells points out that not once did the local populace ever rise up to oppose the barbarian invaders, a clear sign they saw nothing worth defending in Roman society. "

Is the comment about the locals actuate? If not why not and if it is why didn't the "locals" see anything worth defending in Roman society?


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus





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Aula Tullia Scholastica Sexto Pilato Barbato quiritibus, sociis,
peregrinisque omnibus S.P.D.

> S Pilatus Barbatus Flaviae Tulliae Scholasticae salutem dicit, sperans ut
> semper eam optime valere .
>
> Tibi gratias ago propter tuam fiduciam mei atque honorem quem mihi
> tribuisti. me piget responsum meum tam sero venire - quippiam occupatus
> nuper fui.

Flocci est--tu aliique ambo digni laudis estis. Ego quoque occupata
sum; corrigo menda in tabulario et de nominibus civitatem postulantium in
cohorte censoria dico. Iam Metellus noster aliquas leges Latine scriptas
invenit, et fortasse mox titulum in Tabulario 'Latine' videre possimus, sub
quo leges Latine scriptas inveniamus.

>
> Laetus ero agere sicut vis.

Fortasse possimus situm interretialem vertere possimus...

>
> Vale optime!

Et tu, et vos omnes!

> Sextus Pilatus Barbatus

A. Tullia Scholastica

>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Flavia Scholastica
> Sent: 29 July 2005 00:31
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Nova-Roma] de creatione scribarum
>
>
>
>
> EDICTVM INTERPRETIS LINGVAE LATINAE
>
> E paragrapho IV.1. Legis Corneliae de Linguis Publicis, licet
> interpretibus scribas suas creare.
>
> Ex hoc ergo Sextum Pilatum Barbatum Gnaeum Cornelium Lentulum scribas
> seniores, et Quintum Caecilium Metellum Postumianum Pium scribam iuniorem
> creo.
>
> Hoc edictum statim valet.
>
> Datum sub manu mea ante diem V Kalendas Sextiles MMDCCLVIII.
>
>
> According to Paragraph IV.1 of the Lex Cornelia de Linguis Publicis,
> interpreters may appoint their own scribae.
>
> Therefore, by this edict I appoint Sextus Pilatus Barbatus and Gnaeus
> Cornelius Lentulus senior scribae, and Quintus Caecilius Metellus
> Postumianus Pius junior scriba.
>
> This edict takes effect immediately.
>
> Given under my hand this 28th day of July 2005 C.E.
>
> Flavia Tullia Valeria Scholastica
> Interpres Linguae Latinae
> Magistra Decuriae Interpretum
>
>
>

Salve,

Don't use the voice on me! I was wondering if anyone would get the
reference.

Vale,

Calvus

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> SALVE CALVUS,
>
> >we all know that the earth is
> > flat and is carried
> > on the back of 4 elephants which in turn stand on
> > the back of the Great A'Tun which is a turtle approx
> <10000 miles in diameter.
>
> YES, THAT IS TRUE.
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> DEATH
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Salve, Tiberi Galeri Pauline, et salvete, quirites, socii, peregrinique
omnes!

> Salve A. Tullia Scholastica
>
> I just tried they both from your e-mail and they worked for me???

It may have been a temporary glitch--but a friend more skilled in
matters cybernetic gave me an alternate address which worked fine. Very
helpful--thanks for posting this.

>
> Vale
>
> TGp

Vale, et valete,

Scholastica

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>
>
> Salve, Tiberi Galeri Pauline, et salvete quirites, socii, peregrinique
> omnes!
>
>> Salve Romans FYI
>>
>> From David Meadow's Explorer
>>
>> Handy little lexicon of Latin (and Greek) phrases:
>>
>> http://www.sacklunch.net/Latin/index.html<http://www.sacklunch.net/Latin/inde
>> x.html><about:blank>
>>
>> Audio files for Wheelock:
>>
>> http://www.wheelockslatin.com/chapters/one/index.html<http://www.wheelockslat
>> in.com/chapters/one/index.html><about:blank>
>>
> These sound quite intriguing--but I got a 404 error when I attempted to
> access them--both of them.
>>
>>
>> Vale
>>
>> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
> Vale, et valete,
>
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In a message dated 8/1/2005 1:30:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, spqr753@...
writes:
Wells, an old-time British socialist, needs to be read with some caution, but
he ruthlessly strips away the romantic image of Rome. Wells points out that
not once did the local populace ever rise up to oppose the barbarian invaders,
a clear sign they saw nothing worth defending in Roman society. "
This must be the 4th Cent during the Barbarian occupation. In the second
century, the citizen militia still could defend the walls.

What happened? The Comitatenses or the mobile army. The Romans had changed
to a defense in depth. The barbarians were expected to penetrate the
interior, raid a few towns, and stagger homeward loaded with loot where they'd be
intercepted by the local mobile army. Since Germans didn't like to abandon their
loot, they tried to break through and were destroyed. Of course this strategy
meant that a barbarian warband was going to be in the neighborhood for the
week or so, that the army was taking to march into the territory.
The rich landowners seeing the handwriting on the wall decided that if the
barbarians wanted easy pickings, it was doubtful they would assault a
stronghold. So they turned their villas into small forts surrounded by ditches and
moats, and hired ex soldiers and even other barbarians to man the ramparts.

A Warband finding the villa hard to crack, would demonstrate outside the
walls, ask for a ransom, and move on. The average town did not have this
protection. So if they couldn't pay the ransom they were looted. After you, a Roman
citizen, have been looted four or five times you would probably not look
foundly upon your government. Especially since you were paying yearly taxes for
protection. It was easier to come to an agreement with your attackers, then
resist on the off-chance the Roman army would come save you.

As the Germans, Alans and Gothics move into to stay, often the town dwellers
would help
them eliminate the rich landowners or get them to relocate. I should imagine
that the rich landowners brought this on themselves, since they were unlikely
to help the less fortunate
in time of need, believing themselves to be invulnerable in their fortress
villas.

Q. Fabius Maximus


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SALVE CALVUS,

> Don't use the voice on me! I was wondering if
> anyone would get the
> reference.

THIS IS MY NORMAL VOICE.



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Salve,

The answer to your question may lie, perhaps, in that the Roman
Empire as a political entity was not anything we could compare to our
Nation States and was not defended as one.
I am not sure that the ancients saw barbarian invasions, which
occured over a long period of time, as a threat to a national
cohesiveness ergo they did not resist it as such.
If I am not mistaken, Roman indentity, over all the provinces from
west to east was not uniform: it might not come as any surprise that
when faced with a conflict a central army could not fight, the
local "romans" resorted to local solutions (such as the fortified
villae mentioned by Senator Maximus) rather than an impossible "levée
en masse" throughout the Empire similar to our 19th/20th century
conflicts where indeed Total War requested the involvement of each
and every citizen ...

After all, a Britannus or a Berber for example, would have fought to
protect the Emperor's or the Elite's possesions, not their own land.
So what difference a new master would have made in the end? Perhaps
this is what Wells mean by "they saw nothing worth defending in Roman
society", a far cry from the "national" interest that was defended in
Italy during the Punic Wars...O tempora, O Mores ;-)

Vale

C. Moravius Laureatus



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "Timothy P. Gallagher"
<spqr753@m...> wrote:

> Salve Romans
>
> As I was reading today I came across this passage:
>
> "Wells, an old-time British socialist, needs to be read with some

caution, but he ruthlessly strips away the romantic image of Rome.
Wells points out that not once did the local populace ever rise up to
oppose the barbarian invaders, a clear sign they saw nothing worth
defending in Roman society. "

>
> Is the comment about the locals actuate? If not why not and if it

is why didn't the "locals" see anything worth defending in Roman
society?

>
>
> Vale
>
> Tiberius Galerius Paulinus
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

M Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, Scriba Censoris Census Primus,
propraetoribus, Quiritibus Novae Romanae salutem plurinam dicit.

During the first month of the census the Officina Census has sent
out 2,478 emails to those currently listed as socii, asking that
they register as cives. Response to the census has not been
encouraging. We saw an aggregate increase of only 58 cives during
July. As of 1 August, Nova Roma has 622 cives, 1991 socii; an
increase of 1% during July. Cives make up 24% of associate
members. Among the cives 36% are assidui. The breakdown by
provincia (cives/total) is given below and may be compared to
figures from the previous post (below) at the beginning of the
census.

Britannia: 35/131 (-1) 27%
Dacia: 14/21 67%
Gallia: 15 (+1)/70 21%
Germania: 17 (+2)/86 20%
Hibernia: 3/9 33%
Hispania: 64 (+3)/201 32%
Italia: 41 (+3)/269 15%
Pannonia: 9 (+2)/37 24%
Samartia 1 (+1)/6 17%
Thules: 19 (+3)/58 33%
Venedia: 2/27 7%

Total Europa 219/913 24%


Canada Occidentalis: 10 (+1)/41 24%
Canada Orientalis: 10 (+3)/63 16%

Total Canada 20/104 19%


Austroccidentalis: 37 (+4)/182 20%
Austrorientalis: 51 (+4-1)/197 26%
Boreoccidentalis 16/73 22%
California: 35 (+7-2)/159 22%
Lacus Magni: 36 (+2)/146 25%
Mediatlantica: 68 (+6-2)/288 22%
Medioccidentalis Superior: 12(+1)/79 15%
Nova Britannia: 32 (+1)/107 30%

Total United States 287/1230 23%

Argentina: 11 (+2)/43 25%
Brasilia: 37 (+3)/102 36%
Mexico: 8 (+3)/29 28%

Total Latin America 56/174 32%


Asia Occidentalis: 6 (+4)/23 26%
Asia Orientalis: 6 (+1)/21 29%
Australia: 9 (+1)/65 14%

Unorganized: 18 (+1)/83 22%

______________________________________________



--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <mhoratius@s...>
wrote:

> M Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, Scriba Censoris Census Primus,
> propraetoribus, Quiritibus Novae Romanae salutem plurinam dicit.
>
> The figures below show the number of cives who have registered

thus

> far with the Office of the Census compared to the total number of
> provincial members currently listed for each provincia. Not
> surprisingly, those provinciae with the lowest rate of responses

so

> far are those without propraetores, with one notable exception

being

> Asia Orientalis.
>
> Propraetores, you may compare the figure for your respective
> provincia against that of the other provinciae. From time to time
> the Officina Census will post the figures again so that you can

keep

> track of how the census is going in each provincia.
>
> Britannia: 35/132 27%
> Dacia: 14/21 67%
> Gallia: 14/71 20%
> Germania: 16/86 19%
> Hibernia: 3/4/2 33%
> Hispania: 61/198 31%
> Italia: 39/269 14%
> Pannonia: 7/37 19%
> Samartia 0/6 0%
> Thules: 16/58 28%
> Venedia: 2/27 7%
> Total 23% 207/914
>
> Canada Occidentalis: 9/41 22%
> Canada Orientalis: 7/63 11%
> Total 15% 16/104
>
> Austroccidentalis: 33/182 18%
> Austrorientalis: 47/197 24%
> Boreoccidentalis 73: 16/73 22%
> California: 29/160 18%
> Lacus Magni: 34/146 23%
> Mediatlantica: 62/288 22%
> Medioccidentalis Superior: 11/79 14%
> Nova Britannia: 31/107 29%
>
> Total 23% 263/1125
>
> Argentina: 9/43 21%
> Brasilia: 34/99 34%
> Mexico: 5/29 17%
> Total 28% 48/171
>
> Asia Occidentalis: 2/23 9%
> Asia Orientalis: 5/21 24%
> Australia: 8/65 12%
>
> Unorganized: 17/83 20%
>
> ______________________________________________
>
> Total 566/2506 = 22,6%

Salve

FYI forwarded from Mary Harrsch Imperial Rome 2


"I see that the new Dino DeLaurentis film "The Last Legion" is set to begin filming in Tunisia August 5.

"The Last Legion is an epic adventure based on acclaimed author Valerio Massimo Manfredi's international best-selling 2003 novel by the same name. The film is set against the fall of the Roman Empire in 470AD and its last emperor, 12-year-old Romulus Augustus (Thomas Sangster).

Over-run with rebellion, Rome is a city on the brink of chaos and destruction. Imprisoned by rebels on the island of Capri, Romulus, aided by the clever strategies of his teacher Ambrosinus (Sir Ben Kingsley) and the heroic skills of his legionnaire Aurelius (Colin Firth), escapes the island.

This small band of Roman soldiers, accompanied by Byzantine warrior Mira (Aishwarya), are determined to continue their mission to restore the Empire."

http://ww1.mid-day.com/hitlist/2005/august/115218.htm<http://ww1.mid-day.com/hitlist/2005/august/115218.htm>


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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A. Apollonius Sex. Lucilio omnibusque sal.

Scripsisti:

> I have got very intrest subject. Question is if is
> democracy able to be
> function. I think that democracy is very nice dream
> and goal for every good
> Roman. But practically is impossible. Ceasar
> Augustus said : "I will want
> restore republic". Augustus wanted like Claudius,
> one day restore republic
> and return power to senat. But he knew that
> democracy isnt never strong for
> justice. Democracy create political parties. And
> their problem than isnt
> justice for every man but justice for them.
> What you think ?

We need to say what we mean by "democracy".
"Democracy" is not really a type of constitution; it
is a set of principles which can be embodied in
various different types of constitution. The essential
democratic principle is that the right to make law
rests with the citizen body. Now, you're right to say
that this can never be fully implemented. There has to
be a way to work out what the citizen body is actually
saying, and that always involves some constraints. In
Athens and in Rome all citizens could vote on
legislation but not all citizens could propose
legislation. In Rome voting was also done by
voting-units which meant that some citizens had more
voting-power than others. Nonetheless both systems
come very close to the basic principle that the
citizen body is the source of law. Modern democratic
countries allow the citizens to elect representatives,
and these representatives make the law; this keeps the
principle that the citizens are the source of law, but
requires the citizens to delegate that power to their
representatives. In many modern democratic countries
the citizens also choose to limit their own power to
make law by enacting rigid constitutions which stop
them doing certain things.

You are absolutely right to say that political parties
are in some important ways very bad for political
life. But not all democratic constitutions create
political parties. The Roman republic never had
political parties; nor did Athens. The main reason for
this is that they were not representative democracies.
When law is made by elected representatives of the
people, politicians want to gain control of as many
representatives as possible in order to control both
the executive and the legislative powers
simultaneously (political parties are thus in fact
deeply inimical to the principle of the separation of
powers). In a direct democracy such as Athens or Rome
this is much more difficult to do. So democracy itself
does not create political parties.

On the subject of Augustus and Claudius, I must
disagree with you. Augustus did not say that he was
going to restore the republic: he said that he *had*
restored the republic, which of course was a blatant
lie, since he had in fact restored the monarchy. The
idea that Claudius wanted to restore the republic is a
fantasy invented by Robert Graves - there is no
historical evidence for it.



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Livia's endorsement reminds me that another of our new
senatrices also supports the lex Popillia. Julilla
Sempronia Magna is taking a break from public life at
the moment but kindly gave me permission to report
that she supports this proposal and encourages others
to vote for it.



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> As I was reading today I came across this passage:
>
> "Wells, an old-time British socialist, needs to be
> read with some caution, but he ruthlessly strips
> away the romantic image of Rome. Wells points out
> that not once did the local populace ever rise up to
> oppose the barbarian invaders, a clear sign they saw
> nothing worth defending in Roman society. "
>
> Is the comment about the locals actuate? If not why
> not and if it is why didn't the "locals" see
> anything worth defending in Roman society?

It's been a while since I studied the late Roman
empire, but I certainly can't recall any major
civilian uprisings against the invaders.

There are several things which are important to
remember, however. The first is that we are talking
about a time some four to five *hundred* years after
the fall of the republic. Roman culture was very, very
different from what we're used to. In many ways life
in the late Roman empire was pretty miserable for the
vast majority of people: the wealth gap was huge, and
although the richest people were far richer than any
republican ever dreamed of the poorest people were
quite a lot worse off. Peasants were forbidden by law
to leave their land or to change jobs, and were taxed
more heavily than the rich.

Remember also that politics in the late Roman empire
had become almost totally bureaucratized and
professionalized, with the result that poor people
took no part at all in imperial politics and most
wealthy people either took no part or else
participated for only a few years just to gain
prestige and privileges before retiring to their villa
estates. The primary focus of life for most people was
the local community, with very little interference
from the imperial government.

Also, borders had become more flexible and permeable,
and huge swathes of the Roman population in frontier
areas had been living alongside, interacting with, and
trading with the barbarians for generations. Romans,
including particularly the frontier armies, had become
more like barbarians, and the barbarians had become
more like Romans.

So when the invaders came most people didn't really
see any difference. The barbarian elites were quite
Romanized already, and had high esteem for Roman law
and culture, so they flattered the local Roman
aristocrats by asking for their help to write in
Latin, to draw up codes of law, and so on. They also
didn't have such vast empires to support, so they
could perhaps cut taxes. They didn't interfere in the
civic and local government, which was the main
activity of the local aristocrats, and in general they
kept themselves to themselves, so most people didn't
experience any significant difference.

Interestingly, the place where there really was strong
resistance to the invaders was in Britain, where the
native Britons conducted an almost constant defensive
war against the Anglo-Saxons which lasted for some two
hundred years. The evidence is scarce, and it's
fascinating to wonder but hard to be sure why this
happened. One difference is that Britain had actually
been free from Roman rule for nearly a generation
before the Anglo-Saxons began to try to settle so,
although the remaining Romano-British society had many
of the benefits of four centuries of Roman occupation,
the culture the Anglo-Saxons found when they arrived
was not really Roman at all. The Anglo-Saxons had had
much less contact with Romans than the other barbarian
groups which invaded the rest of the empire, so they
were in a real sense a more barbaric class of
barbarian than average. Also, on the continent the
invaders were seeing the sophistication and material
benefits of Roman culture and wanted to collaborate
with and copy the Romans. In Britain Roman culture had
never taken deep hold, so the Anglo-Saxons probably
didn't regard British culture as significantly more
sophisticated than their own and were not eager to
learn from or cooperate with the Britons: what they
wanted from the Britons was simply land, slaves (the
English word "Welsh" comes from the Anglo-Saxon word
for "slave"), and plunder, and they could get these
without cooperation. Notice that on the continent the
invaders learned the language of the locals, which is
why French, Spanish, and Italian are all derived from
Latin. In Britain, however, the Anglo-Saxons didn't
bother to learn either Latin or British, which is why
the English speak English (and, even more
significantly, there are a mere handful of English
words derived from British). Finally, there is some
evidence to suggest that, while the invaders on the
continent were relatively small groups which could
move into the former empire and rule it without
displacing or killing many of the natives, the
Anglo-Saxons were actually being pushed out of their
homelands by flooding and were transplanting large
numbers of settlers to Britain looking for land and
food which had to be taken by force from the natives.
All these things meant that neither side saw any need
or advantage in compromising or living contentedly together.





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> Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 01:33:42 -0000
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> to learn Latin in order to be able not only to read
> its texts with understanding
> but also to write it with ease and fluently to speak
> it in all situations so that the
> eternal idiom of our forefathers is brought back to
> active life and everyday
> usage, is invited and eagerly encouraged to join my
> courses.
>
> I, a Latin philologist fluent in the language and
> with a long teaching
> experience, am offering to take you to the level of
> Latin at which you can start
> your independent exploration of the sources, and
> actually bring back to active
> life and everyday usage our eternal Latin language.
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"it's been a while since I studied the late Roman
empire, but I certainly can't recall any major
civilian uprisings against the invaders.".....

God I love it when you answers my questions!!!!!!

You gives us all a graduate education without the cost or the need for us sit for exams


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus



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---P. Minucia Tiberius Marco Horatio Piscino Populesque Salutem:

Just a quick note to thank you and your fellow cohors for all your
hard work in making this census as comprehensive as possible.

I as a Propraetrix, pledge to render you the maximum assistance I
can, relative to my provincia Canada Orientalis.

vale bene et gratias


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <mhoratius@s...>
wrote:

> M Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, Scriba Censoris Census Primus,
> propraetoribus, Quiritibus Novae Romanae salutem plurinam dicit.
>
> During the first month of the census the Officina Census has sent
> out 2,478 emails to those currently listed as socii, asking that
> they register as cives. Response to the census has not been
> encouraging. We saw an aggregate increase of only 58 cives during
> July. As of 1 August, Nova Roma has 622 cives, 1991 socii; an
> increase of 1% during July. Cives make up 24% of associate
> members. Among the cives 36% are assidui. The breakdown by
> provincia (cives/total) is given below and may be compared to
> figures from the previous post (below) at the beginning of the
> census.
>
> Britannia: 35/131 (-1) 27%
> Dacia: 14/21 67%
> Gallia: 15 (+1)/70 21%
> Germania: 17 (+2)/86 20%
> Hibernia: 3/9 33%
> Hispania: 64 (+3)/201 32%
> Italia: 41 (+3)/269 15%
> Pannonia: 9 (+2)/37 24%
> Samartia 1 (+1)/6 17%
> Thules: 19 (+3)/58 33%
> Venedia: 2/27 7%
>
> Total Europa 219/913 24%
>
>
> Canada Occidentalis: 10 (+1)/41 24%
> Canada Orientalis: 10 (+3)/63 16%
>
> Total Canada 20/104 19%
>
>
> Austroccidentalis: 37 (+4)/182 20%
> Austrorientalis: 51 (+4-1)/197 26%
> Boreoccidentalis 16/73 22%
> California: 35 (+7-2)/159 22%
> Lacus Magni: 36 (+2)/146 25%
> Mediatlantica: 68 (+6-2)/288 22%
> Medioccidentalis Superior: 12(+1)/79 15%
> Nova Britannia: 32 (+1)/107 30%
>
> Total United States 287/1230 23%
>
> Argentina: 11 (+2)/43 25%
> Brasilia: 37 (+3)/102 36%
> Mexico: 8 (+3)/29 28%
>
> Total Latin America 56/174 32%
>
>
> Asia Occidentalis: 6 (+4)/23 26%
> Asia Orientalis: 6 (+1)/21 29%
> Australia: 9 (+1)/65 14%
>
> Unorganized: 18 (+1)/83 22%
>
> ______________________________________________
>
> snipped for brevity
>
> ---

Salve A. Apollonius Cordus,
thank you for your reply. I think that you have true but i must say that
empire for common people is better than democracy. If I look to history, I
look that during empire (like in the time Augustus or Claudius) was
situation for common people better. Empire built roads, aqueducts,
buildings. Because Emperor what he means he works but democracy intrests in
words and ideas. Compare time of empire and time of democracy. Rome of
Empire was mostly strong in time of monarchy. Mostly power in Rome of Empire
was in the time Emperor Antonius Pius (cca 150 A.D) . Roma before empire
like city state wasnt with his republican constitution ready for leadership
big territory.
What is your opinion ?
Vale
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TRIBUNE P. MEMMIUS ALBUCIUS EDICT (n° 58-17) ON THE COMMUNICATION
OF THE SENATE SESSION


I, Publius Memmius Albucius, Tribune of the Plebs, by the authority
vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of Nova Roma,

On sight of the Constitution of Nova Roma, specially its article
IV.A.7.d ;
On sight of Senate sessions reporting Moravia Law Nov. 15,
2756 a.u.c. ;
On sight of Consul Fr. Apulus Caesar Senate list message Thu Jul 21,
2005 6:48 pm
convening the Senate ;
On sight of the session of the Senate which has begun on July 2005,
24th and ended
on July 2005, 30th, and whose vote will end on August 2005, 4th
18.00 p.m. (Rome time) ;

Edicts :

Article 1 :

The citizens, the People and the Plebs of Nova Roma are informed
that the Senate, duly convened par Consul Fr. Apulus Caesar, has
ended at 21.00 p.m. (Rome time) on July 2005, 30th its session begun
at 21 :00 p.m. (Rome time) on July 2005, 24th.

The Senate is now voting from 21.00 p.m. (Rome time) on July 2005,
7th to 18:00 p.m. (Rome time) on August 2005, 4th.


Article 2 :

Five points are in the agenda of the Senate :

# 1 - APPOINTMENT OF NEW PROPRAETOR OF PROVINCIA AMERICA
MEDIOCCIDENTALIS SUPERIOR

Given the resignation of the Propraetor Q. Servilius Priscus
Fidenas, Salvia Sempronia Graccha presents her candidacy


# 2 - REMOVAL OF INTERPRETERS AND LICTORES

The following Interpreters and Lictores are counted as members of
the Cepite Censi. As ordered by the Lex Vedia de Assidui et Capiti
Censi, they should be removed from their own Offices. However the
Costitution defines them as no Magistrates. So I address this matter
and the decision to remove them to the body entitled to elect them,
the Senatus.
The Senatus is called to approve the removal of the following
Interpreters and Lictores:

- Titus Arminius Genialis
- Marcus Cornelius Felix
- Lucius Cornelius Sulla Felix
- Petrus Domitianus Artorinus Longinus
- Lucius Fabius Metellus
- Lucius Sicinius Drusus



# 3 - PERMISSION TO USE THE NOVA ROMAN LOGOS

Gaius Vipsanius Agrippa ask to the Senatus the approval to use the
official logos of Nova Roma for his new e-commerce.


# 4 - BANK ACCOUNT IN EUROPE

This item is for information and discussion and does not require any
vote of the Senate.

It would help the Tresury collecting the taxes and the
donations coming from all the europeans and part of the asian
citizens. It would low too the expanses linked to the payment.


# 5 - LEX IVLIA DE FORO ET MODERATIONE


This item is for information and discussion and does not require any
vote of the Senate.

Marcus Iulius Perusianus has made a new project of law about the
moderation of the forum (main list).



Article 5 :

The appropriate magistrates of Nova Roma and their departments are
responsible, as far as each one is concerned, for executing this
edict, which will be published in the Tabularium of Nova Roma.


Issued in Caen, city of the Viducasses, France,
this second day of August, 2005 C.E. (2nd August 2758),
during the consulate of Fr. Apulus Caesar and G. Popillius Laenas

M. Hortensia Maior A. Apollonio et Quiritbus spd;
Salve Aule Apolloni and thanks for the forward. I've
just inscribed myself in the course.
Omnes, I took this course last year but due to moving
could not follow properly. It is absolutely terrific! Latin really
is our language, you will be able to speak with ALL cives in
Provinciae Hispania, Germania, Gallia, Brasilia, Britannia. And
Magister Avitus is a kind, patient and fantastic teacher.
So don't be scared, join in and speak our mother tongue!
bene vale
Marca Hortensia Maior

> It is essential to promote the Lingua Latina and its
> > revival in all circumstances
> > of life among our fellow citizens (cf.
> > <http://www.novaroma.org/lingua_
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> >
> > Most people think that Latin is a dead language, as
> >> . Anyone, I repeat,
> > anyone, from those with absolutely no previous
> > knowledge of the language to
> > those who have learnt Latin in the past, or even
> > those who are still learning it
> > elsewhere, but don't yet feel confident enough with
> > it to use it actively, will be
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> >> > <http://
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> >
> > Macte virtute estote!
> >
> > Curate ut valeatis optime
> >
> >
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just to communicate that I'll be partecipating at the NR Conventus in Rome and seldom on-line. I'll be absent from tomorrow until August 10 included.

Ordinary control over this Forum will be assured by my Cohors Praetoria. For any urgent message please write to P. Con. Placidus at ugo.coppola@... (ugo dot coppola at tin dot it) who can get in touch with me by cell phone. Then I'll try to connect within 6-12 hrs.

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Salvete, magistratus, quirites, socii, peregrinique omnes!

Just a reminder: according to the Lex Equitia de Corrigendis Legum
Erratis, magistrates must submit proposed laws to a qualified Latinist for
correction of the Latin and English text prior to submitting them for a
vote. This was not done with any of the legislation proposed this year.

Fortunately, there are no errors in the proposed Lex Popillia Senatoria
as it has apparently been checked (and probably composed) by a highly
competent native speaker of English who also knows a fair bit of Latin, and
I don't see any errors in the Latin (such as it is) of Tribunus Albucius'
proposal, but the English could possibly use some improvement. If this is
passed, I shall have to use my authority under this law and correct it.

In order to avoid such ex post facto efforts in the future, I and other
Latinists would appreciate it if our magistrates would obey the law, and
submit proposed legislation to me or one of the other native English
speaking Latinists.

I am in the process of correcting the English and Latin texts of all
leges in the Tabularium, and have corrected up to and including Lex LV, Lex
Salicia Poenalis, as well as leges LVII to LXIV. All have been sent to a
praetor and the webmaster for further action according to the law.
Corrections to leges LXV (none), LXVI, and LXVII have been drafted, and I
expect to continue this as time permits. Lex LXVI (Didia Gemina Sceptia)
has some difficulties of interpretation for which I would appreciate the
input of the writer.

Our webmaster has informed me that he will upload the corrections when I
have finished with all of them, so we should expect that in the fairly near
future the Tabularium will more accurately reflect correct Latin and English
usage, and that we may also have translations of the leges into Latin and
other languages more readily available to our citizens and interested
outside parties.

Valete,

A. Tullia Scholastica
Interpres Linguae Latinae
Scriba Latinitati Censoris Gn. Equiti Marini

P. Memmius Albucius Interpres Scholasticae s.d.

S.V.G.E.R.

Thanks for your message. It asks three kinds of questions :

1/ the need for all magistrates to verify that the texts submitted
to vote are written in correct English and Latin.

You are right to remind this point to us magistrates.

This question asks, in fact, a preliminary one : how do the
magistrates, who may convene the different comitia, deal with all
the steps that must be scheduled. We have all some improvements to
do, specially if we consider the end of this year, with possible new
projects. Maybe that we will agree in saying that we cannot afford
voting 5 or 10 or 15 laws each year because our interpretation
processes cannot answer the demand. If yes, we would have to take
the question by 2 points of view : first reminding that all
magistrates and accensi contribute to the law, and not the
contrary ; second that if we lack skilled interpreters, we have to
lower our demands.

2/ the correction of the texts voted or to be voted

For your information, the preparation of texts, as short as
current draft Memmia de provocatione needs a lot of time and many
many sendings of successive drafts. To take this example, the
writing of this draft has been guaranteed to me by several of our
Hon. scholars.

It is, naturally possible that we all have not seen some points that
you have identified.

So please be kind enough, dear Scholastica, to write me privately (I
will be off from the evening of this 4th August to attend the
European conventus) before tomorrow 11:00 pm on these points.

3/ the quality of the language of written drafts

As a non-English writer, it seems obvious to me that NR needs a
strong office of interpreters. Unless, non-English law makers will
still be disadvantaged compared with English-native language writers
(more time in making the draft, text harder to understand, etc.). If
we do not succeed in this step, NR will not be able to reach a whole
universality.

Could you please tell me your mind on this important question ?

Thanks ac vale.

P. Memmius Albucius
Tribunus Plebis


--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Flavia Scholastica <fororom@l...>
wrote:

> Salvete, magistratus, quirites, socii, peregrinique omnes!
>
> Just a reminder: according to the Lex Equitia de Corrigendis

Legum

> Erratis, magistrates must submit proposed laws to a qualified

Latinist for

> correction of the Latin and English text prior to submitting them

for a

> vote. This was not done with any of the legislation proposed this

year.

>
> Fortunately, there are no errors in the proposed Lex Popillia

Senatoria

> as it has apparently been checked (and probably composed) by a

highly

> competent native speaker of English who also knows a fair bit of

Latin, and

> I don't see any errors in the Latin (such as it is) of Tribunus

Albucius'

> proposal, but the English could possibly use some improvement. If

this is

> passed, I shall have to use my authority under this law and

correct it.

>
> In order to avoid such ex post facto efforts in the future, I

and other

> Latinists would appreciate it if our magistrates would obey the

law, and

> submit proposed legislation to me or one of the other native

English

> speaking Latinists.
>
> I am in the process of correcting the English and Latin texts

of all

> leges in the Tabularium, and have corrected up to and including

Lex LV, Lex

> Salicia Poenalis, as well as leges LVII to LXIV. All have been

sent to a

> praetor and the webmaster for further action according to the law.
> Corrections to leges LXV (none), LXVI, and LXVII have been

drafted, and I

> expect to continue this as time permits. Lex LXVI (Didia Gemina

Sceptia)

> has some difficulties of interpretation for which I would

appreciate the

> input of the writer.
>
> Our webmaster has informed me that he will upload the

corrections when I

> have finished with all of them, so we should expect that in the

fairly near

> future the Tabularium will more accurately reflect correct Latin

and English

> usage, and that we may also have translations of the leges into

Latin and

> other languages more readily available to our citizens and

interested

> outside parties.
>
> Valete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
> Interpres Linguae Latinae
> Scriba Latinitati Censoris Gn. Equiti Marini

A. Tullia Scholastica magistratibus, quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
omnibus S.P.D.

Upon re-reading the Lex Popillia Senatoria, I discovered an error, and
would appreciate it if this could be corrected before it goes to the cista.

In Section III.e., the word 'praetores' is used to indicate former
praetores; this should be 'praetorii,' as is used elsewhere in the proposed
law.

Gratias.

Valete,

A. Tullia Scholastica

> Salvete, magistratus, quirites, socii, peregrinique omnes!
>
> Just a reminder: according to the Lex Equitia de Corrigendis Legum
> Erratis, magistrates must submit proposed laws to a qualified Latinist for
> correction of the Latin and English text prior to submitting them for a
> vote. This was not done with any of the legislation proposed this year.
>
> Fortunately, there are no errors in the proposed Lex Popillia Senatoria
> as it has apparently been checked (and probably composed) by a highly
> competent native speaker of English who also knows a fair bit of Latin, and
> I don't see any errors in the Latin (such as it is) of Tribunus Albucius'
> proposal, but the English could possibly use some improvement. If this is
> passed, I shall have to use my authority under this law and correct it.
>
> In order to avoid such ex post facto efforts in the future, I and other
> Latinists would appreciate it if our magistrates would obey the law, and
> submit proposed legislation to me or one of the other native English
> speaking Latinists.
>
> I am in the process of correcting the English and Latin texts of all
> leges in the Tabularium, and have corrected up to and including Lex LV, Lex
> Salicia Poenalis, as well as leges LVII to LXIV. All have been sent to a
> praetor and the webmaster for further action according to the law.
> Corrections to leges LXV (none), LXVI, and LXVII have been drafted, and I
> expect to continue this as time permits. Lex LXVI (Didia Gemina Sceptia)
> has some difficulties of interpretation for which I would appreciate the
> input of the writer.
>
> Our webmaster has informed me that he will upload the corrections when I
> have finished with all of them, so we should expect that in the fairly near
> future the Tabularium will more accurately reflect correct Latin and English
> usage, and that we may also have translations of the leges into Latin and
> other languages more readily available to our citizens and interested
> outside parties.
>
> Valete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
> Interpres Linguae Latinae
> Scriba Latinitati Censoris Gn. Equiti Marini
>
>
>
>

Salvete,

Voting will begin shortly in the Comitia Populi Tributa on the Lex
Memmia de Provocatione.

Cista link: http://www.novaroma.org/cursus_honorum/voting/

The voting schedule is as follows

Voting Schedule for the Comitia Populi Tributa

Voting Begins
00:00:00 Rome Time III Aug 2005
ante diem III Non. SEXTILES MMDCCLVIII a.u.c

Voting halts
23:59:59 Rome Time IV Aug 2005
pridie Non. SEXTILES MMDCCLVIII a.u.c.

Voting suspended V Aug - VI Aug 2005
Nonus SEXTILES MMDCCLVIII a.u.c. et ante diem VIII Id. SEXTILES
MMDCCLVIII a.u.c.

Voting recommences
00:00:00 Rome Time VII Aug 2005
ante diem VII Id. SEXTILES MMDCCLVIII a.u.c.

Voting ends
23:59:59 Rome Time XIV Aug 2005
ante diem XIX Kal. SEPTEMBRES MMDCCLVIII a.u.c.

The schedule is also posted at the website

Vale,

Q. Cassius Calvus
Magister Aranearius

A. Apollonius A. Tulliae omnibusque sal.

Scripsisti:

> Just a reminder: according to the Lex Equitia
> de Corrigendis Legum
> Erratis, magistrates must submit proposed laws to a
> qualified Latinist for
> correction of the Latin and English text prior to
> submitting them for a
> vote. This was not done with any of the legislation
> proposed this year.

Well, it doesn't actually say that. It says that the
magister aranearius is responsible for correcting
"typographical, orthographic, grammatical, and similar
errors", under the supervision of the praetores. He is
instructed to seek the assistance of a Latin
translator, but that translator holds no independent
authority under the lex.

The requirement for proposed leges to be submitted to
a Latinist is in a different article of the lex, and
it does not suggest that the Latinist is to be
responsible for correcting the English text or to have
any power to correct such texts unilaterally. This is
very sensible, because of course there is no inherent
likelihood that a Latinist will be competent to
correct the English text of anything. The Latinist is
supposed to check the Latin. Responsibility for
correcting the English is given to the magister
aranearius or "a competent proofreader designated by
this magistrate".

> Fortunately, there are no errors in the proposed
> Lex Popillia Senatoria
> as it has apparently been checked (and probably
> composed) by a highly
> competent native speaker of English who also knows a
> fair bit of Latin, and
> I don't see any errors in the Latin (such as it is)
> of Tribunus Albucius'
> proposal, but the English could possibly use some
> improvement. If this is
> passed, I shall have to use my authority under this
> law and correct it.

No, you shan't. You have no authority to correct the
texts of leges after they have passed, only to assist
the magister aranearius in doing so if he asks you to.

> In order to avoid such ex post facto efforts in
> the future, I and other
> Latinists would appreciate it if our magistrates
> would obey the law, and
> submit proposed legislation to me or one of the
> other native English
> speaking Latinists.

Again, there is no need for proposed legislation to be
submitted to "native English speaking Latinists".
Magistrates are required to submit proposed
legislation to "a competent Latin translator". This
person does not have to be a native English speaker.

I'm sure we all appreciate your great efforts with
these corrections and translations, but you need to be
careful not to give the impression you're arrogating
illegal powers to yourself.



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A. Apollonius A. Tulliae omnibusque sal.

> In Section III.e., the word 'praetores' is used
> to indicate former
> praetores; this should be 'praetorii,' as is used
> elsewhere in the proposed
> law.

Well spotted! Thanks.



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quiritibusque S.P.D.

Salvete omnes.

Tullia Scholastica and Apollonius Cordus bring up an interesting question.

If a non-native English speaker writes a lex, and in the lex writes
that a magistrate "will had" the power to do something; how do we know
if the tense is the past perfect ("had"), the future ("will have") or
the future perfect ("will have had")? The difference, of course, is
vital: the past perfect allows only for a completed act, and the
future tense allows a continual ability to "have", whereas the future
perfect tense designates an action that will have been completed at a
specified time in the future, i.e., of limited scope.

The problem may seem insignificant at first, but think carefully; so
much of the discussions we've had have centered around abilities,
authority, and sequences of events. The magister aranearius cannot
choose which tense is meant, as it might significantly alter the
meaning of the lex in which it is written.

So if a proposed lex in which problems like this occur is passed into
law before the imprecision is caught, who actually *does* have the
authority to change it to reflect the intent of the writer?

Valete bene,

Cato

gaiusequitiuscato wrote:

> So if a proposed lex in which problems like this occur is passed into
> law before the imprecision is caught, who actually *does* have the
> authority to change it to reflect the intent of the writer?

The Praetores. That's what the law says. Changes are recommended by
the Interpreters, approved by the Praetores, and implemented by the
webmaster.

Valete omnes,

-- Marinus

A. Tullia Scholastica A. Apollonio Cordo quiritibus, sociis, peregrinisque
omnibus S.P.D.

> A. Apollonius omnibus sal.
>
> I forward this advertisement for A. Gratius' living
> Latin course, which I heartily recommend.

I join my fellow-student Cordus in recommending this course. For those
who are unaware of this, let me point out that (despite his modesty), Aulus
Gratius Avitus is a world-class Latinist who is writing a book on the
development of Latin vocabulary over time. One might pay big bucks for the
privilege of taking a course conducted by the likes of Avitus--and the
Academia Thules is offering this free. The only expense to the student is
the cost of course materials--and time. Unfortunately, the textbook is
available only in French/Latin and Italian/Latin versions, and the latter at
least may be out of print, or going out of print soon. Prospective students
for this course MUST therefore obtain the Assimil textbook and tapes or
discs NOW, not in mid-October when the course starts as they may vanish
before then. Those students who cannot read enough French or Italian to
follow the textbook may enroll in the Wheelock course taught by yours
truly--though at last report, only two places remained. I shall add some
material from the Assimil course to the Wheelock one so that some oral and
written fluency shall accompany this more traditional approach.

Valete,

A. Tullia Scholastica

>
> --- "A. Gratius Avitus" <aggfvavitus@...>
> wrote:
>
>> To: Latinitas@yahoogroups.com
>> From: "A. Gratius Avitus" <aggfvavitus@...>
>> Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 01:33:42 -0000
>> Subject: [Latinitas] DE LINGUA LATINA IN NR: Learn
>> to speak LATIN, join my Latin courses!
>>
>> A. Gratius Avitus
>> concivibus optimis suís
>> S·P·D
>>
>> A few hours before leaving on holiday (I won't
>> therefore be able to solve your
>> doubts or answer your queries, were there any, until
>> September), I'm writing
>> to you now to invite you to my unique Latin courses.
>>
>> We all know that the aim of Nova Roma (cf.
>> <http://www.novaroma.org/
>> main.html>) is to bring about a general revival of
>> all aspects of Roman
>> civilisation, from politics to religion, from
>> philosophy to cookery or literature or
>> the arts, a core aspect of that Roman culture being
>> the Virtues that gave a
>> small city on the banks of the Tiber the moral and
>> practical strength to govern
>> much of the world, virtues that are most sorely
>> lacking in our society today.
>>
>> It can escape no-one, though, that there is only one
>> language in which those
>> virtues and that culture and civilisation ever found
>> their most authentic and
>> universal expression. The language Rome spoke was
>> LATIN. The Latin
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>>
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>> terminology: the different positions of government,
>> the official names of the
>> laws and decrees, the names of the virtues are all
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>>
>> It is essential to promote the Lingua Latina and its
>> revival in all circumstances
>> of life among our fellow citizens (cf.
>> <http://www.novaroma.org/lingua_
>> latina.html>).
>>
>> Most people think that Latin is a dead language, as
>> dead as the Roman
>> virtues or the culture it conveyed; but we, Nova
>> Romans, know it doesn't have
>> to be like that, not for the virtues, not for the
>> culture, not for the language. Latin
>> was the living language of our Roman forefathers,
>> and it is a language like all
>> others, that can be learnt in a leisurely way and
>> spoken in all situations of
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>> community of Latin speakers out
>> there that prove that this is the case. One can find
>> lots of information about
>> that in sites like <http://www.latinitatis.com/>.
>>
>> We shouldn't be left behind. We are the rightful
>> depositaries of the Roman
>> culture and civilisation, and we should be able and
>> most willing to use the
>> language of our ancestors as part of our
>> all-encompassing Roman revival.
>>
>> I know there are many people among us that have
>> learnt some amount of
>> Latin before, but have forgotten so much that are
>> now unable to deal with the
>> language of our ancestors by themselves; others will
>> still remember enough
>> to read it, but feel nontheless unprepared to use
>> the language in an active
>> manner. There may be people who are even now
>> learning Latin somewhere
>> else, or others who may never have studied Latin
>> before. Anyone, I repeat,
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>> elsewhere, but don't yet feel confident enough with
>> it to use it actively, will be
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>> Anyone, therefore, who wants
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>> active life and everyday
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>>
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>> with a long teaching
>> experience, am offering to take you to the level of
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>> On completion, you will
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>> without being enslaved to the
>> dictionary, and will also be capable of Latin
>> conversation at an intermediate
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>>
>> My courses are going to start on 17th October 2758
>> [2005] at the Academia
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>> strongly encourage as
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>> will be able to find much
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>> <http://
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>>
>> Macte virtute estote!
>>
>> Curate ut valeatis optime
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> ____________________________________________________________________
>>
>> VIVAT LATINITAS! VIVAT NOVA ROMA!
>>
> ____________________________________________________________________

---Salvete A. Apollonius Cordus et Omnes:

Speaking of the Lex Popillia Senatoria, I understand that an open
ended contio in session but it doesn't say how long it will last.
As Assensus to Laenus Consul, could you indicate the date of
closure, for those citizens/magistrates who might like to render
comment in this forum?

Valete
Pompeia


In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "A. Apollonius Cordus"
<a_apollonius_cordus@y...> wrote:

> A. Apollonius A. Tulliae omnibusque sal.
>
> Scripsisti:
>
> > Just a reminder: according to the Lex Equitia
> > de Corrigendis Legum
> > Erratis, magistrates must submit proposed laws to a
> > qualified Latinist for
> > correction of the Latin and English text prior to
> > submitting them for a
> > vote. This was not done with any of the legislation
> > proposed this year.
>
> Well, it doesn't actually say that. It says that the
> magister aranearius is responsible for correcting
> "typographical, orthographic, grammatical, and similar
> errors", under the supervision of the praetores. He is
> instructed to seek the assistance of a Latin
> translator, but that translator holds no independent
> authority under the lex.
>
> The requirement for proposed leges to be submitted to
> a Latinist is in a different article of the lex, and
> it does not suggest that the Latinist is to be
> responsible for correcting the English text or to have
> any power to correct such texts unilaterally. This is
> very sensible, because of course there is no inherent
> likelihood that a Latinist will be competent to
> correct the English text of anything. The Latinist is
> supposed to check the Latin. Responsibility for
> correcting the English is given to the magister
> aranearius or "a competent proofreader designated by
> this magistrate".
>
> > Fortunately, there are no errors in the proposed
> > Lex Popillia Senatoria
> > as it has apparently been checked (and probably
> > composed) by a highly
> > competent native speaker of English who also knows a
> > fair bit of Latin, and
> > I don't see any errors in the Latin (such as it is)
> > of Tribunus Albucius'
> > proposal, but the English could possibly use some
> > improvement. If this is
> > passed, I shall have to use my authority under this
> > law and correct it.
>
> No, you shan't. You have no authority to correct the
> texts of leges after they have passed, only to assist
> the magister aranearius in doing so if he asks you to.
>
> > In order to avoid such ex post facto efforts in
> > the future, I and other
> > Latinists would appreciate it if our magistrates
> > would obey the law, and
> > submit proposed legislation to me or one of the
> > other native English
> > speaking Latinists.
>
> Again, there is no need for proposed legislation to be
> submitted to "native English speaking Latinists".
> Magistrates are required to submit proposed
> legislation to "a competent Latin translator". This
> person does not have to be a native English speaker.
>
> I'm sure we all appreciate your great efforts with
> these corrections and translations, but you need to be
> careful not to give the impression you're arrogating
> illegal powers to yourself.
>
>
>
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Aula Tullia Scholastica Publio Memmio Albucio Tribuno quiritibus, sociis,
peregrinisque omnibus S.P.D.

> P. Memmius Albucius Interpres Scholasticae s.d.
>
> S.V.G.E.R.
>
> Thanks for your message. It asks three kinds of questions :
>
> 1/ the need for all magistrates to verify that the texts submitted
> to vote are written in correct English and Latin.
>
> You are right to remind this point to us magistrates.

Sometimes they need such reminders...

>
> This question asks, in fact, a preliminary one : how do the
> magistrates, who may convene the different comitia, deal with all
> the steps that must be scheduled. We have all some improvements to
> do, specially if we consider the end of this year, with possible new
> projects. Maybe that we will agree in saying that we cannot afford
> voting 5 or 10 or 15 laws each year because our interpretation
> processes cannot answer the demand. If yes, we would have to take
> the question by 2 points of view : first reminding that all
> magistrates and accensi contribute to the law, and not the
> contrary ; second that if we lack skilled interpreters, we have to
> lower our demands.

Fortunately, the number of Latin-competent citizens has grown in recent
years, partly as a result of the efforts of Avitus, with some assistance
from yours truly. As a rule, there isn't that much Latin in the text of
the laws or edicta that a simple reading of this would severely tax the
abilities of anyone who is moderately competent at Latin. The English may,
however, present a rather more challenging task.

>
> 2/ the correction of the texts voted or to be voted
>
> For your information, the preparation of texts, as short as
> current draft Memmia de provocatione needs a lot of time and many
> many sendings of successive drafts. To take this example, the
> writing of this draft has been guaranteed to me by several of our
> Hon. scholars.
>

I'm well aware of the numerous drafts through which most legislation
must pass--I was in the consular cohors last year, and we did have several
drafts of many items we submitted to the comitia.

> It is, naturally possible that we all have not seen some points that
> you have identified.
>
> So please be kind enough, dear Scholastica, to write me privately (I
> will be off from the evening of this 4th August to attend the
> European conventus) before tomorrow 11:00 pm on these points.
>

Please feel free to write to me privately (and this applies to consules
and tribuni who have legislation they would like to have, as we say,
vetted). I shall be teaching at the Academia, and am in the censorial
cohors working with new citizens, but I can spare some time to read proposed
legislation. I'm no legal eagle like Cordus, but I can straighten out
English. And Latin.

> 3/ the quality of the language of written drafts
>
> As a non-English writer, it seems obvious to me that NR needs a
> strong office of interpreters. Unless, non-English law makers will
> still be disadvantaged compared with English-native language writers

Believe me, native speakers of English do not always write perfect
English, and there are plenty of errors in the laws written by native
speakers of English. The same is true of handouts prepared by English
teachers in our secondary schools, who can neither spell nor punctuate
English. If English verbs had some 13 principal parts, or our nouns had 17
cases (or even three), they would be lost.

I agree with you completely that we need a strong office of
interpreters. Unfortunately, that does not appear to be the case in NR at
present. I seem to be the only one who's been doing anything at all, and
couldn't even get an answer to a private e-mail I sent to one of them.
Moreover, we have no official Spanish interpreter, and that is a shame. I
see that your report of the Senate agenda lists the removal of interpreters
who are capite censi, and I fully agree with this--and that those who have
done nothing for their CPs should also be removed.

I understand that you, Tribune, are working to get the website
translated into French. I applaud this. If you can also find someone who
could help you translate the laws into French, that would also be most
welcome. Apparently it is a minor matter to add the word 'Francais' (I can
produce a cedilla, but it may appear as something else on other machines) to
the list of possible languages for our law texts, so that those who can't
read English, German, or Portuguese (the three choices at present) will have
the opportunity to read the texts of our laws in a tongue they
understand--before they commit themselves to join us, if they so desire.

> (more time in making the draft, text harder to understand, etc.). If
> we do not succeed in this step, NR will not be able to reach a whole
> universality.

This is true.

>
> Could you please tell me your mind on this important question ?

I think I've answered it pretty well above--if not, please write to me
privatim.

>
> Thanks ac vale.

Flocci est.

>
> P. Memmius Albucius
> Tribunus Plebis
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Flavia Scholastica <fororom@l...>
> wrote:
>> Salvete, magistratus, quirites, socii, peregrinique omnes!
>>
>> Just a reminder: according to the Lex Equitia de Corrigendis
> Legum
>> Erratis, magistrates must submit proposed laws to a qualified
> Latinist for
>> correction of the Latin and English text prior to submitting them
> for a
>> vote. This was not done with any of the legislation proposed this
> year.
>>
>> Fortunately, there are no errors in the proposed Lex Popillia
> Senatoria
>> as it has apparently been checked (and probably composed) by a
> highly
>> competent native speaker of English who also knows a fair bit of
> Latin, and
>> I don't see any errors in the Latin (such as it is) of Tribunus
> Albucius'
>> proposal, but the English could possibly use some improvement. If
> this is
>> passed, I shall have to use my authority under this law and
> correct it.
>>
>> In order to avoid such ex post facto efforts in the future, I
> and other
>> Latinists would appreciate it if our magistrates would obey the
> law, and
>> submit proposed legislation to me or one of the other native
> English
>> speaking Latinists.
>>
>> I am in the process of correcting the English and Latin texts
> of all
>> leges in the Tabularium, and have corrected up to and including
> Lex LV, Lex
>> Salicia Poenalis, as well as leges LVII to LXIV. All have been
> sent to a
>> praetor and the webmaster for further action according to the law.
>> Corrections to leges LXV (none), LXVI, and LXVII have been
> drafted, and I
>> expect to continue this as time permits. Lex LXVI (Didia Gemina
> Sceptia)
>> has some difficulties of interpretation for which I would
> appreciate the
>> input of the writer.
>>
>> Our webmaster has informed me that he will upload the
> corrections when I
>> have finished with all of them, so we should expect that in the
> fairly near
>> future the Tabularium will more accurately reflect correct Latin
> and English
>> usage, and that we may also have translations of the leges into
> Latin and
>> other languages more readily available to our citizens and
> interested
>> outside parties.
>>
>> Valete,
>>
>> A. Tullia Scholastica
>> Interpres Linguae Latinae
>> Scriba Latinitati Censoris Gn. Equiti Marini
>
>
>
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>

G. Equitius Cato Gn. Equitio Marino Censore S.P.D.

Salve censor.

Gratias tibi ago.

Vale,

Cato

--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Gnaeus Equitius Marinus <gawne@c...>
wrote:

>
>
> gaiusequitiuscato wrote:
>
>
> > So if a proposed lex in which problems like this occur is passed into
> > law before the imprecision is caught, who actually *does* have the
> > authority to change it to reflect the intent of the writer?
>
> The Praetores. That's what the law says. Changes are recommended by
> the Interpreters, approved by the Praetores, and implemented by the
> webmaster.
>
> Valete omnes,
>
> -- Marinus

A. Tullia Scholastica A. Apollonio Cordo omnibusque S.P.D.

> A. Apollonius A. Tulliae omnibusque sal.
>
> Scripsisti:
>
>> Just a reminder: according to the Lex Equitia
>> de Corrigendis Legum
>> Erratis, magistrates must submit proposed laws to a
>> qualified Latinist for
>> correction of the Latin and English text prior to
>> submitting them for a
>> vote. This was not done with any of the legislation
>> proposed this year.
>
> Well, it doesn't actually say that. It says that the
> magister aranearius is responsible for correcting
> "typographical, orthographic, grammatical, and similar
> errors", under the supervision of the praetores. He is
> instructed to seek the assistance of a Latin
> translator, but that translator holds no independent
> authority under the lex.

Censor Marinus has noted some items of interest on this...

>
> The requirement for proposed leges to be submitted to
> a Latinist is in a different article of the lex, and
> it does not suggest that the Latinist is to be
> responsible for correcting the English text or to have
> any power to correct such texts unilaterally. This is
> very sensible, because of course there is no inherent
> likelihood that a Latinist will be competent to
> correct the English text of anything. The Latinist is
> supposed to check the Latin. Responsibility for
> correcting the English is given to the magister
> aranearius or "a competent proofreader designated by
> this magistrate".

I am a praetorian scriba, and am working with my praetor. I am also
Calvus' unofficial scriba in these matters. Perhaps he should make this
official so that everyone understands that I have this authority. There is
no guarantee that the magister aranearius is a good speller, or good at
punctuation, or a native speaker of English, or anything else but good at
matters cybernetic. Calvus is that, and he is diligent.

>
>> Fortunately, there are no errors in the proposed
>> Lex Popillia Senatoria
>> as it has apparently been checked (and probably
>> composed) by a highly
>> competent native speaker of English who also knows a
>> fair bit of Latin, and
>> I don't see any errors in the Latin (such as it is)
>> of Tribunus Albucius'
>> proposal, but the English could possibly use some
>> improvement. If this is
>> passed, I shall have to use my authority under this
>> law and correct it.
>
> No, you shan't. You have no authority to correct the
> texts of leges after they have passed, only to assist
> the magister aranearius in doing so if he asks you to.
>

No, the intent of this law was to allow correction of the egregious (and
other) errors in the texts of existing laws. I worked on it in the consular
cohors. Its purpose was to correct errors, and prevent them in the future
by such submissions as I mentioned in my earlier post.

In any case, I am assisting the magister aranearius in so doing...

>> In order to avoid such ex post facto efforts in
>> the future, I and other
>> Latinists would appreciate it if our magistrates
>> would obey the law, and
>> submit proposed legislation to me or one of the
>> other native English
>> speaking Latinists.
>
> Again, there is no need for proposed legislation to be
> submitted to "native English speaking Latinists".
> Magistrates are required to submit proposed
> legislation to "a competent Latin translator". This
> person does not have to be a native English speaker.
>

Not strictly speaking, but it makes no sense for a native speaker of
Chinese or Tagalog, for example, to proofread texts in English. My mind is
too Vulcan, and too logical, for that. Unfortunately, we have no native
speakers of Latin for this, or any other, purpose, and if we did, those who
are opposed to living Latin, (who prefer Latin and Roman culture thoroughly
mummified rather than spoken in Circuli Latini and written in websites and
reenacted in many places) would probably arrange for the removal of such
individuals--as our Avitus noted.

> I'm sure we all appreciate your great efforts with
> these corrections and translations, but you need to be
> careful not to give the impression you're arrogating
> illegal powers to yourself.
>

I'm not. I do, however, happen to believe that what is wrong should get
corrected, and that the atrocious Latin in some of our law titles (and
sometimes within them) as well as poor English even from native speakers
does nothing to attract people to us, and may in fact repel those whom we
would most like to have among us.

>

Vale, et valete,

A. Tullia Scholastica

Where does one sign up for the Wheelock latin classes?

VRE

"Ex iniuria ius non oritur." (Right cannot grow out of injustice.)


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Salve

Wheelock are resources you can use in class or for self teaching.

Here are some online Latin classes

http://www.oxfordtutorials.com/<http://www.oxfordtutorials.com/>

http://eleaston.com/study-online.html#lat<http://eleaston.com/study-online.html#lat>


Vale

Tiberius Galerius Paulinus

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Where does one sign up for the Wheelock latin classes?

VRE

"Ex iniuria ius non oritur." (Right cannot grow out of injustice.)


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S Pilatus Barbatus A Tulliae Scholasticae omnibusque salutem dicit!



Scripsisti "repel those whom we
would most like to have among us." deo gratias! Consolatus sum accusativum
relativum anglice non mortuum esse! Whenever I use it in speech, people look
at me as though I were a fossil.

This is a quotation from a report written by an English teacher recently:
"his presentation has improved, however, his punctuation is still poor." I
am fighting a losing battle? Pugno vane?

Valete bene, omnes!

Sextus Pilatus Barbatus



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From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Flavia Scholastica
Sent: 03 August 2005 02:40
To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] MEMO TO CONSULES & TRIBUNI (present and future)



A. Tullia Scholastica A. Apollonio Cordo omnibusque S.P.D.

> A. Apollonius A. Tulliae omnibusque sal.
>
> Scripsisti:
>
>> Just a reminder: according to the Lex Equitia
>> de Corrigendis Legum
>> Erratis, magistrates must submit proposed laws to a
>> qualified Latinist for
>> correction of the Latin and English text prior to
>> submitting them for a
>> vote. This was not done with any of the legislation
>> proposed this year.
>
> Well, it doesn't actually say that. It says that the
> magister aranearius is responsible for correcting
> "typographical, orthographic, grammatical, and similar
> errors", under the supervision of the praetores. He is
> instructed to seek the assistance of a Latin
> translator, but that translator holds no independent
> authority under the lex.

Censor Marinus has noted some items of interest on this...

>
> The requirement for proposed leges to be submitted to
> a Latinist is in a different article of the lex, and
> it does not suggest that the Latinist is to be
> responsible for correcting the English text or to have
> any power to correct such texts unilaterally. This is
> very sensible, because of course there is no inherent
> likelihood that a Latinist will be competent to
> correct the English text of anything. The Latinist is
> supposed to check the Latin. Responsibility for
> correcting the English is given to the magister
> aranearius or "a competent proofreader designated by
> this magistrate".

I am a praetorian scriba, and am working with my praetor. I am also
Calvus' unofficial scriba in these matters. Perhaps he should make this
official so that everyone understands that I have this authority. There is
no guarantee that the magister aranearius is a good speller, or good at
punctuation, or a native speaker of English, or anything else but good at
matters cybernetic. Calvus is that, and he is diligent.

>
>> Fortunately, there are no errors in the proposed
>> Lex Popillia Senatoria
>> as it has apparently been checked (and probably
>> composed) by a highly
>> competent native speaker of English who also knows a
>> fair bit of Latin, and
>> I don't see any errors in the Latin (such as it is)
>> of Tribunus Albucius'
>> proposal, but the English could possibly use some
>> improvement. If this is
>> passed, I shall have to use my authority under this
>> law and correct it.
>
> No, you shan't. You have no authority to correct the
> texts of leges after they have passed, only to assist
> the magister aranearius in doing so if he asks you to.
>

No, the intent of this law was to allow correction of the egregious (and
other) errors in the texts of existing laws. I worked on it in the consular
cohors. Its purpose was to correct errors, and prevent them in the future
by such submissions as I mentioned in my earlier post.

In any case, I am assisting the magister aranearius in so doing...

>> In order to avoid such ex post facto efforts in
>> the future, I and other
>> Latinists would appreciate it if our magistrates
>> would obey the law, and
>> submit proposed legislation to me or one of the
>> other native English
>> speaking Latinists.
>
> Again, there is no need for proposed legislation to be
> submitted to "native English speaking Latinists".
> Magistrates are required to submit proposed
> legislation to "a competent Latin translator". This
> person does not have to be a native English speaker.
>

Not strictly speaking, but it makes no sense for a native speaker of
Chinese or Tagalog, for example, to proofread texts in English. My mind is
too Vulcan, and too logical, for that. Unfortunately, we have no native
speakers of Latin for this, or any other, purpose, and if we did, those who
are opposed to living Latin, (who prefer Latin and Roman culture thoroughly
mummified rather than spoken in Circuli Latini and written in websites and
reenacted in many places) would probably arrange for the removal of such
individuals--as our Avitus noted.

> I'm sure we all appreciate your great efforts with
> these corrections and translations, but you need to be
> careful not to give the impression you're arrogating
> illegal powers to yourself.
>

I'm not. I do, however, happen to believe that what is wrong should get
corrected, and that the atrocious Latin in some of our law titles (and
sometimes within them) as well as poor English even from native speakers
does nothing to attract people to us, and may in fact repel those whom we
would most like to have among us.

>

Vale, et valete,

A. Tullia Scholastica






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Salve, VRE, et salvete, omnes!

> Where does one sign up for the Wheelock latin classes?

One has to go to the Academia Thules page, which is accessible from the
main website or via <http://www.academiathules.org/>. There is a list of
open courses there (click on 'courses' in the middle of the top bar beneath
the pictures)--but there are at most two more places (unless someone changes
to Assimil or backs out), and I don't see it listed under open courses any
more. The class is limited to 40; I can't correct more 'papers' than that,
and expected no more than 25.

>
> VRE
>
> "Ex iniuria ius non oritur." (Right cannot grow out of injustice.)
>

Vale, et valete,

A. Tullia Scholastica

>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

Aula Tullia Scholastica Sexto Pilato Barbato omnibusque S.P.D.

> S Pilatus Barbatus A Tulliae Scholasticae omnibusque salutem dicit!
>
>
>
> Scripsisti "repel those whom we
> would most like to have among us." deo gratias! Consolatus sum accusativum
> relativum anglice non mortuum esse! Whenever I use it in speech, people look
> at me as though I were a fossil.

Fortasse ego quoque...

>
> This is a quotation from a report written by an English teacher recently:
> "his presentation has improved, however, his punctuation is still poor." I
> am fighting a losing battle? Pugno vane?

And should we not use a semicolon before the 'however?' If that's all
that's wrong with an English teacher's punctuation, consider yourself
lucky--the situation is far worse here. Spelling? Grammar? Punctuation?
Whazzat? It ain't lit crit of the 'story of O' or the like.

>
> Valete bene, omnes!

Tu quoque!

A. T. Scholastica

>
> Sextus Pilatus Barbatus
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Flavia Scholastica
> Sent: 03 August 2005 02:40
> To: Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Nova-Roma] MEMO TO CONSULES & TRIBUNI (present and future)
>
>
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica A. Apollonio Cordo omnibusque S.P.D.
>
>> A. Apollonius A. Tulliae omnibusque sal.
>>
>> Scripsisti:
>>
>>> Just a reminder: according to the Lex Equitia
>>> de Corrigendis Legum
>>> Erratis, magistrates must submit proposed laws to a
>>> qualified Latinist for
>>> correction of the Latin and English text prior to
>>> submitting them for a
>>> vote. This was not done with any of the legislation
>>> proposed this year.
>>
>> Well, it doesn't actually say that. It says that the
>> magister aranearius is responsible for correcting
>> "typographical, orthographic, grammatical, and similar
>> errors", under the supervision of the praetores. He is
>> instructed to seek the assistance of a Latin
>> translator, but that translator holds no independent
>> authority under the lex.
>
> Censor Marinus has noted some items of interest on this...
>>
>> The requirement for proposed leges to be submitted to
>> a Latinist is in a different article of the lex, and
>> it does not suggest that the Latinist is to be
>> responsible for correcting the English text or to have
>> any power to correct such texts unilaterally. This is
>> very sensible, because of course there is no inherent
>> likelihood that a Latinist will be competent to
>> correct the English text of anything. The Latinist is
>> supposed to check the Latin. Responsibility for
>> correcting the English is given to the magister
>> aranearius or "a competent proofreader designated by
>> this magistrate".
>
> I am a praetorian scriba, and am working with my praetor. I am also
> Calvus' unofficial scriba in these matters. Perhaps he should make this
> official so that everyone understands that I have this authority. There is
> no guarantee that the magister aranearius is a good speller, or good at
> punctuation, or a native speaker of English, or anything else but good at
> matters cybernetic. Calvus is that, and he is diligent.
>
>>
>>> Fortunately, there are no errors in the proposed
>>> Lex Popillia Senatoria
>>> as it has apparently been checked (and probably
>>> composed) by a highly
>>> competent native speaker of English who also knows a
>>> fair bit of Latin, and
>>> I don't see any errors in the Latin (such as it is)
>>> of Tribunus Albucius'
>>> proposal, but the English could possibly use some
>>> improvement. If this is
>>> passed, I shall have to use my authority under this
>>> law and correct it.
>>
>> No, you shan't. You have no authority to correct the
>> texts of leges after they have passed, only to assist
>> the magister aranearius in doing so if he asks you to.
>>
> No, the intent of this law was to allow correction of the egregious (and
> other) errors in the texts of existing laws. I worked on it in the consular
> cohors. Its purpose was to correct errors, and prevent them in the future
> by such submissions as I mentioned in my earlier post.
>
> In any case, I am assisting the magister aranearius in so doing...
>
>>> In order to avoid such ex post facto efforts in
>>> the future, I and other
>>> Latinists would appreciate it if our magistrates
>>> would obey the law, and
>>> submit proposed legislation to me or one of the
>>> other native English
>>> speaking Latinists.
>>
>> Again, there is no need for proposed legislation to be
>> submitted to "native English speaking Latinists".
>> Magistrates are required to submit proposed
>> legislation to "a competent Latin translator". This
>> person does not have to be a native English speaker.
>>
> Not strictly speaking, but it makes no sense for a native speaker of
> Chinese or Tagalog, for example, to proofread texts in English. My mind is
> too Vulcan, and too logical, for that. Unfortunately, we have no native
> speakers of Latin for this, or any other, purpose, and if we did, those who
> are opposed to living Latin, (who prefer Latin and Roman culture thoroughly
> mummified rather than spoken in Circuli Latini and written in websites and
> reenacted in many places) would probably arrange for the removal of such
> individuals--as our Avitus noted.
>
>> I'm sure we all appreciate your great efforts with
>> these corrections and translations, but you need to be
>> careful not to give the impression you're arrogating
>> illegal powers to yourself.
>>
> I'm not. I do, however, happen to believe that what is wrong should get
> corrected, and that the atrocious Latin in some of our law titles (and
> sometimes within them) as well as poor English even from native speakers
> does nothing to attract people to us, and may in fact repel those whom we
> would most like to have among us.
>
>>
> Vale, et valete,
>
> A. Tullia Scholastica
>
>
>
>
>

Salvete omnes,

I agree that the census is not encouraging thus far. Everyone comes
and goes for different reasons. Discouragement and disillusionment
with the political to relgious realms have already been discussed in
the past.

In some ways I find that NR is like other organizations or cutural
societies. Work done here is volunteer in nature so I also can see
some similarities to volunteer organizations. Based on that, I
wonder if it would be wise to go over how well NR has done in
recruiting and retaining her volunteers (citizens). I found this
article which may shed some light on what we can do to grow better
in the future.


The Seven Deadly Sins of Recruiting Volunteers

by Thomas W. McKee



The scene: Tuesday night at our monthly membership meeting. A
frantic staff member stands before the group of about 300 members
and says, "If we don't get any volunteers for this program, we will
assume that you aren't interested, and we'll just cancel it."

Some over-worked members feel guilty and raise their hands. Others
groan and say, "The trouble with our organization is that no one
wants to get involved." Others say, under their breath, "Good, it's
about time we cancel some of our activities."

Sound familiar? We've all seen it happen. Well, if you are going to
mess up in your volunteer program, you might as well mess up bad. By
committing one of the following seven sins, you not only chase
members away, but you burn them out.

Sin One: Expect Announcements to Get Volunteers

We needed people in our organization to volunteer for a short-term
project. I made the announcement, wrote articles in our newsletter,
had people who had been involved give a five-minute plug in several
monthly meetings, and did a special mailing demonstrating the
benefits for being a part of this special team.

The results were very disappointing. What was wrong? What had I done
wrong? I thought that the challenge would motivate leaders to get
involved.

I went to lunch with a person who was a mover and shaker and asked
him, "Why didn't you volunteer for this project? I could see your
name on it all the way." I'll never forget his response. Bill
said, "If you wanted me, why didn't you ask? I'd be happy to work
with you on this project, but I would never volunteer."

I learned an important lesson 20 years ago that I have not
forgotten. Many people will never volunteer. Why aren't people
volunteering? Because people want to be asked.

Sin Two: Go It Alone

One of the most effective recruiters I knew was my father. He was an
Eagle Scout as a teenager. When he and Mom were first married, he
was a volunteer scout leader. As I was growing up, he was always
active in volunteer organizations. To meet the demands of active
recruiting, Dad established a recruiting task force from the
organization in which he was recruiting. His team would meet once a
month with a list of vacancies. With organization directories open,
they would brainstorm possible people who could fill these
positions.

Partnering is another effective way to recruit volunteers. Loaves
and Fishes is a successful agency in Sacramento that feeds the
homeless. They run the Mustard Seed School for the children of
homeless families. This organization uses volunteers each day to
take care of the meals and school. How do they get this many
volunteers? They partner with local organizations—mostly churches.

Sin Three: Recruit Life-time Individuals—Not Short-term Project
Teams

Mary was asked to be on the strategic planning task force for her
association. She was told that the strategic planning committee
would meet for a full day for training and development of strategy.
She would then have six months to work on the strategic plan and
then her job would be done. Mary not only said yes, but she
volunteered to work with the implementation committee of the
strategic planning committee—which was another two-year commitment.

Recruiting teams rather than individuals is particularly effective
with younger volunteers. Many people are afraid of getting tied into
a job for a lifetime and never being able to get out of it. They get
burned out and then quit the organization as a way to quit their
volunteer role. I accomplish three objectives when I put together a
short-term project team of new volunteers with a model leader:

Objective one: Volunteers are more willing to say yes to a short-
term commitment with an end-date in sight.
Objective two: Volunteers have the opportunity to catch the vision
of the organization because they were working with a passionate
leader.
Objective three: Leaders became mentors for future passion driven
teams. We were always looking for new leadership.

Sin Four: Assume That "No" Means "Never"

Timing is everything. When we get the courage to recruit someone and
then they say "no," we often feel rejection. I needed someone to be
the head of our strategic planning committee and I felt that Bob was
the perfect person. But when I asked him, he declined. He explained
to me about a former business partner who was suing him, a teenage
son who was giving him problems, and his Mercedes that was leaking
oil (poor guy). He just couldn't see doing justice to the position.
I asked Bob three years later and he was excited to fill the
position.

Sometimes the "no" means, "not now." Sometimes it means that the
prospect volunteer feels that he/she would rather do something else.
When the answer is "no," I often ask if there are any positions in
our organization that they would love to do, but were never asked.

Sin Five: Fall Into the BIC Trap

We often fall into the trap of following the BIC syndrome. Because
we are in desperate need for a volunteer and need them quickly, we
plead our case to anyone who "fogs a mirror" and at the last minute
I get someone to be a "Butt In the Chair." Most times the chair is
better empty than filled with the wrong person who does nothing or
is high maintenance.

Sin Six: Be People Driven Rather Than Position Driven

Another variation of the "Butt In the Chair" method is just to
say, "Please come and be a part of our group. We have a great time
and we need your expertise." But we don't tell the prospect what we
want them to do.

Joan was recruited by an after-school teen center in the inner city.
She loved to do behind-the-scenes work and pictured herself
scrubbing floors, painting walls and stuffing envelopes. But she was
placed on the finance committee at the first meeting and was asked
to go out and raise money. Although she had a passion for the cause,
she was overwhelmed, disappointed and quit.

When I look at the volunteer team I think—"position." I ask, "What
positions do I need to accomplish our mission?" "What do I want the
team members to do?" And then I look for people who can fill those
positions.

Sin Seven: Give the Position the Wrong Job Title

What's in a name? Plenty. We are calling our professional staff by
the wrong name, and it is sending the wrong message to our staff,
especially when we hire them. They come to the job with the wrong
credentials and the wrong expectations. By the names we use for our
non-profit professional staff, we are telling them that volunteer
administration is not their primary job—which it really is. We are
recruiting professional staff, but not professional volunteer
administrators. I see this in almost every non-profit organization.
For example, most environmental association professional staff are
Ph.D. biologists who are passionate about the environment. They look
at themselves as environmental professionals who want to get
involved in restoring wetlands. But they have to spend most of their
time recruiting, motivating and training volunteers to raise money
for wetland restoration. Graduate schools don't train biologists to
be volunteer managers. Perhaps their sub-title should be "Manager
for Environmental Services Volunteers."

Regards,

QLP














--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <mhoratius@s...>
wrote:

> M Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, Scriba Censoris Census Primus,
> propraetoribus, Quiritibus Novae Romanae salutem plurinam dicit.
>
> During the first month of the census the Officina Census has sent
> out 2,478 emails to those currently listed as socii, asking that
> they register as cives. Response to the census has not been
> encouraging. We saw an aggregate increase of only 58 cives during
> July. As of 1 August, Nova Roma has 622 cives, 1991 socii; an
> increase of 1% during July. Cives make up 24% of associate
> members. Among the cives 36% are assidui. The breakdown by
> provincia (cives/total) is given below and may be compared to
> figures from the previous post (below) at the beginning of the
> census.
>
> Britannia: 35/131 (-1) 27%
> Dacia: 14/21 67%
> Gallia: 15 (+1)/70 21%
> Germania: 17 (+2)/86 20%
> Hibernia: 3/9 33%
> Hispania: 64 (+3)/201 32%
> Italia: 41 (+3)/269 15%
> Pannonia: 9 (+2)/37 24%
> Samartia 1 (+1)/6 17%
> Thules: 19 (+3)/58 33%
> Venedia: 2/27 7%
>
> Total Europa 219/913 24%
>
>
> Canada Occidentalis: 10 (+1)/41 24%
> Canada Orientalis: 10 (+3)/63 16%
>
> Total Canada 20/104 19%
>
>
> Austroccidentalis: 37 (+4)/182 20%
> Austrorientalis: 51 (+4-1)/197 26%
> Boreoccidentalis 16/73 22%
> California: 35 (+7-2)/159 22%
> Lacus Magni: 36 (+2)/146 25%
> Mediatlantica: 68 (+6-2)/288 22%
> Medioccidentalis Superior: 12(+1)/79 15%
> Nova Britannia: 32 (+1)/107 30%
>
> Total United States 287/1230 23%
>
> Argentina: 11 (+2)/43 25%
> Brasilia: 37 (+3)/102 36%
> Mexico: 8 (+3)/29 28%
>
> Total Latin America 56/174 32%
>
>
> Asia Occidentalis: 6 (+4)/23 26%
> Asia Orientalis: 6 (+1)/21 29%
> Australia: 9 (+1)/65 14%
>
> Unorganized: 18 (+1)/83 22%
>
> ______________________________________________
>
>
>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius"

<mhoratius@s...>

> wrote:
> > M Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, Scriba Censoris Census Primus,
> > propraetoribus, Quiritibus Novae Romanae salutem plurinam dicit.
> >
> > The figures below show the number of cives who have registered
> thus
> > far with the Office of the Census compared to the total number

of

> > provincial members currently listed for each provincia. Not
> > surprisingly, those provinciae with the lowest rate of responses
> so
> > far are those without propraetores, with one notable exception
> being
> > Asia Orientalis.
> >
> > Propraetores, you may compare the figure for your respective
> > provincia against that of the other provinciae. From time to

time

> > the Officina Census will post the figures again so that you can
> keep
> > track of how the census is going in each provincia.
> >
> > Britannia: 35/132 27%
> > Dacia: 14/21 67%
> > Gallia: 14/71 20%
> > Germania: 16/86 19%
> > Hibernia: 3/4/2 33%
> > Hispania: 61/198 31%
> > Italia: 39/269 14%
> > Pannonia: 7/37 19%
> > Samartia 0/6 0%
> > Thules: 16/58 28%
> > Venedia: 2/27 7%
> > Total 23% 207/914
> >
> > Canada Occidentalis: 9/41 22%
> > Canada Orientalis: 7/63 11%
> > Total 15% 16/104
> >
> > Austroccidentalis: 33/182 18%
> > Austrorientalis: 47/197 24%
> > Boreoccidentalis 73: 16/73 22%
> > California: 29/160 18%
> > Lacus Magni: 34/146 23%
> > Mediatlantica: 62/288 22%
> > Medioccidentalis Superior: 11/79 14%
> > Nova Britannia: 31/107 29%
> >
> > Total 23% 263/1125
> >
> > Argentina: 9/43 21%
> > Brasilia: 34/99 34%
> > Mexico: 5/29 17%
> > Total 28% 48/171
> >
> > Asia Occidentalis: 2/23 9%
> > Asia Orientalis: 5/21 24%
> > Australia: 8/65 12%
> >
> > Unorganized: 17/83 20%
> >
> > ______________________________________________
> >
> > Total 566/2506 = 22,6%

Salve, Quinte Lani Pauline, et salvete, omnes!

> Salvete omnes,
>
> I agree that the census is not encouraging thus far.

No, it isn't--but it's also vacation time, and many people are away.
Some students also don't have internet service during the summer; they
depend upon a connection at school. Perhaps things will turn around in the
Fall.

We in the censor's office have been getting as many as 20 applications a
day...but with our Spanish-speaking and Italian-speaking scribae on
vacation, and others about to depart, we must delay the processing thereof.

> Everyone comes
> and goes for different reasons. Discouragement and disillusionment
> with the political to relgious realms have already been discussed in
> the past.
>
> In some ways I find that NR is like other organizations or cutural
> societies. Work done here is volunteer in nature so I also can see
> some similarities to volunteer organizations. Based on that, I
> wonder if it would be wise to go over how well NR has done in
> recruiting and retaining her volunteers (citizens). I found this
> article which may shed some light on what we can do to grow better
> in the future.

On the other hand, the ML is well over 1000 members, whereas it was some
650 or so not so long ago...

>
> Regards,
>
> QLP

Vale, et valete,

A. Tullia Scholastica

>

<interesting material on seven deadly sins of this sort snipped>

>
> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius" <mhoratius@s...>
> wrote:
>> M Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, Scriba Censoris Census Primus,
>> propraetoribus, Quiritibus Novae Romanae salutem plurinam dicit.
>>
>> During the first month of the census the Officina Census has sent
>> out 2,478 emails to those currently listed as socii, asking that
>> they register as cives. Response to the census has not been
>> encouraging. We saw an aggregate increase of only 58 cives during
>> July. As of 1 August, Nova Roma has 622 cives, 1991 socii; an
>> increase of 1% during July. Cives make up 24% of associate
>> members. Among the cives 36% are assidui. The breakdown by
>> provincia (cives/total) is given below and may be compared to
>> figures from the previous post (below) at the beginning of the
>> census.
>>
>> Britannia: 35/131 (-1) 27%
>> Dacia: 14/21 67%
>> Gallia: 15 (+1)/70 21%
>> Germania: 17 (+2)/86 20%
>> Hibernia: 3/9 33%
>> Hispania: 64 (+3)/201 32%
>> Italia: 41 (+3)/269 15%
>> Pannonia: 9 (+2)/37 24%
>> Samartia 1 (+1)/6 17%
>> Thules: 19 (+3)/58 33%
>> Venedia: 2/27 7%
>>
>> Total Europa 219/913 24%
>>
>>
>> Canada Occidentalis: 10 (+1)/41 24%
>> Canada Orientalis: 10 (+3)/63 16%
>>
>> Total Canada 20/104 19%
>>
>>
>> Austroccidentalis: 37 (+4)/182 20%
>> Austrorientalis: 51 (+4-1)/197 26%
>> Boreoccidentalis 16/73 22%
>> California: 35 (+7-2)/159 22%
>> Lacus Magni: 36 (+2)/146 25%
>> Mediatlantica: 68 (+6-2)/288 22%
>> Medioccidentalis Superior: 12(+1)/79 15%
>> Nova Britannia: 32 (+1)/107 30%
>>
>> Total United States 287/1230 23%
>>
>> Argentina: 11 (+2)/43 25%
>> Brasilia: 37 (+3)/102 36%
>> Mexico: 8 (+3)/29 28%
>>
>> Total Latin America 56/174 32%
>>
>>
>> Asia Occidentalis: 6 (+4)/23 26%
>> Asia Orientalis: 6 (+1)/21 29%
>> Australia: 9 (+1)/65 14%
>>
>> Unorganized: 18 (+1)/83 22%
>>
>> ______________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, "marcushoratius"
> <mhoratius@s...>
>> wrote:
>>> M Moravius Piscinus Horatianus, Scriba Censoris Census Primus,
>>> propraetoribus, Quiritibus Novae Romanae salutem plurinam dicit.
>>>
>>> The figures below show the number of cives who have registered
>> thus
>>> far with the Office of the Census compared to the total number
> of
>>> provincial members currently listed for each provincia. Not
>>> surprisingly, those provinciae with the lowest rate of responses
>> so
>>> far are those without propraetores, with one notable exception
>> being
>>> Asia Orientalis.
>>>
>>> Propraetores, you may compare the figure for your respective
>>> provincia against that of the other provinciae. From time to
> time
>>> the Officina Census will post the figures again so that you can
>> keep
>>> track of how the census is going in each provincia.
>>>
>>> Britannia: 35/132 27%
>>> Dacia: 14/21 67%
>>> Gallia: 14/71 20%
>>> Germania: 16/86 19%
>>> Hibernia: 3/4/2 33%
>>> Hispania: 61/198 31%
>>> Italia: 39/269 14%
>>> Pannonia: 7/37 19%
>>> Samartia 0/6 0%
>>> Thules: 16/58 28%
>>> Venedia: 2/27 7%
>>> Total 23% 207/914
>>>
>>> Canada Occidentalis: 9/41 22%
>>> Canada Orientalis: 7/63 11%
>>> Total 15% 16/104
>>>
>>> Austroccidentalis: 33/182 18%
>>> Austrorientalis: 47/197 24%
>>> Boreoccidentalis 73: 16/73 22%
>>> California: 29/160 18%
>>> Lacus Magni: 34/146 23%
>>> Mediatlantica: 62/288 22%
>>> Medioccidentalis Superior: 11/79 14%
>>> Nova Britannia: 31/107 29%
>>>
>>> Total 23% 263/1125
>>>
>>> Argentina: 9/43 21%
>>> Brasilia: 34/99 34%
>>> Mexico: 5/29 17%
>>> Total 28% 48/171
>>>
>>> Asia Occidentalis: 2/23 9%
>>> Asia Orientalis: 5/21 24%
>>> Australia: 8/65 12%
>>>
>>> Unorganized: 17/83 20%
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________
>>>
>>> Total 566/2506 = 22,6%
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>

OSD G. Equitius Cato

Salvete omnes!

From tomorrow (pridie Nonas Sextilis) until the 14th of August
(postridie Idus Sextilis) I will be sending the calendar posts from
the Eternal City; the timing may be off a bit, as I do not have a
laptop and will thus be at the mercy of the Italians :-)

I may be including bits of info regarding the on-going Conventus.

Valete bene, and I look forward to seeing some of you in Rome!

Cato

P. Memmius Albucius Scholasticae s.d.

S.V.B.E.E.V.

Alas no more time enough for a long discuss...
But we have to speak gain of this global question in the next months.

Some quick observations :

1/

> > So please be kind enough, dear Scholastica, to write me

privately (..)

>Please feel free to write to me privately

I do like tennis too ;-). Please send me your observations, quietly,
during the next weeks.


2/ Translation of laws in French

I have already translated last year the whole corpus ! ;-)


Vale Scholastica,


P. Memmius Albucius
_______________________________________________________
--- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Flavia Scholastica <fororom@l...>
wrote:

> Aula Tullia Scholastica Publio Memmio Albucio Tribuno quiritibus,

sociis,

> peregrinisque omnibus S.P.D.
>
>
> > P. Memmius Albucius Interpres Scholasticae s.d.
> >
> > S.V.G.E.R.
> >
> > Thanks for your message. It asks three kinds of questions :
> >
> > 1/ the need for all magistrates to verify that the texts

submitted

> > to vote are written in correct English and Latin.
> >
> > You are right to remind this point to us magistrates.
>
> Sometimes they need such reminders...
> >
> > This question asks, in fact, a preliminary one : how do the
> > magistrates, who may convene the different comitia, deal with all
> > the steps that must be scheduled. We have all some improvements

to

> > do, specially if we consider the end of this year, with possible

new

> > projects. Maybe that we will agree in saying that we cannot

afford

> > voting 5 or 10 or 15 laws each year because our interpretation
> > processes cannot answer the demand. If yes, we would have to take
> > the question by 2 points of view : first reminding that all
> > magistrates and accensi contribute to the law, and not the
> > contrary ; second that if we lack skilled interpreters, we have

to

> > lower our demands.
>
> Fortunately, the number of Latin-competent citizens has grown

in recent

> years, partly as a result of the efforts of Avitus, with some

assistance

> from yours truly. As a rule, there isn't that much Latin in the

text of

> the laws or edicta that a simple reading of this would severely

tax the

> abilities of anyone who is moderately competent at Latin. The

English may,

> however, present a rather more challenging task.
>
> >
> > 2/ the correction of the texts voted or to be voted
> >
> > For your information, the preparation of texts, as short as
> > current draft Memmia de provocatione needs a lot of time and many
> > many sendings of successive drafts. To take this example, the
> > writing of this draft has been guaranteed to me by several of our
> > Hon. scholars.
> >
> I'm well aware of the numerous drafts through which most

legislation

> must pass--I was in the consular cohors last year, and we did have

several

> drafts of many items we submitted to the comitia.
>
> > It is, naturally possible that we all have not seen some points

that

> > you have identified.
> >
> > So please be kind enough, dear Scholastica, to write me

privately (I

> > will be off from the evening of this 4th August to attend the
> > European conventus) before tomorrow 11:00 pm on these points.
> >
> Please feel free to write to me privately (and this applies to

consules

> and tribuni who have legislation they would like to have, as we

say,

> vetted). I shall be teaching at the Academia, and am in the

censorial

> cohors working with new citizens, but I can spare some time to

read proposed

> legislation. I'm no legal eagle like Cordus, but I can straighten

out

> English. And Latin.
>
> > 3/ the quality of the language of written drafts
> >
> > As a non-English writer, it seems obvious to me that NR needs a
> > strong office of interpreters. Unless, non-English law makers

will

> > still be disadvantaged compared with English-native language

writers

>
> Believe me, native speakers of English do not always write

perfect

> English, and there are plenty of errors in the laws written by

native

> speakers of English. The same is true of handouts prepared by

English

> teachers in our secondary schools, who can neither spell nor

punctuate

> English. If English verbs had some 13 principal parts, or our

nouns had 17

> cases (or even three), they would be lost.
>
> I agree with you completely that we need a strong office of
> interpreters. Unfortunately, that does not appear to be the case

in NR at

> present. I seem to be the only one who's been doing anything at

all, and

> couldn't even get an answer to a private e-mail I sent to one of

them.

> Moreover, we have no official Spanish interpreter, and that is a

shame. I

> see that your report of the Senate agenda lists the removal of

interpreters

> who are capite censi, and I fully agree with this--and that those

who have

> done nothing for their CPs should also be removed.
>
> I understand that you, Tribune, are working to get the website
> translated into French. I applaud this. If you can also find

someone who

> could help you translate the laws into French, that would also be

most

> welcome. Apparently it is a minor matter to add the

word 'Francais' (I can

> produce a cedilla, but it may appear as something else on other

machines) to

> the list of possible languages for our law texts, so that those

who can't

> read English, German, or Portuguese (the three choices at present)

will have

> the opportunity to read the texts of our laws in a tongue they
> understand--before they commit themselves to join us, if they so

desire.

>
> > (more time in making the draft, text harder to understand,

etc.). If

> > we do not succeed in this step, NR will not be able to reach a

whole

> > universality.
>
> This is true.
> >
> > Could you please tell me your mind on this important question ?
>
> I think I've answered it pretty well above--if not, please

write to me

> privatim.
> >
> > Thanks ac vale.
>
> Flocci est.
> >
> > P. Memmius Albucius
> > Tribunus Plebis
> >
> >
> > --- In Nova-Roma@yahoogroups.com, Flavia Scholastica

<fororom@l...>

> > wrote:
> >> Salvete, magistratus, quirites, socii, peregrinique omnes!
> >>
> >> Just a reminder: according to the Lex Equitia de Corrigendis
> > Legum
> >> Erratis, magistrates must submit proposed laws to a qualified
> > Latinist for
> >> correction of the Latin and English text prior to submitting

them

> > for a
> >> vote. This was not done with any of the legislation proposed

this

> > year.
> >>
> >> Fortunately, there are no errors in the proposed Lex Popillia
> > Senatoria
> >> as it has apparently been checked (and probably composed) by a
> > highly
> >> competent native speaker of English who also knows a fair bit of
> > Latin, and
> >> I don't see any errors in the Latin (such as it is) of Tribunus
> > Albucius'
> >> proposal, but the English could possibly use some improvement.

If

> > this is
> >> passed, I shall have to use my authority under this law and
> > correct it.
> >>
> >> In order to avoid such ex post facto efforts in the future, I
> > and other
> >> Latinists would appreciate it if our magistrates would obey the
> > law, and
> >> submit proposed legislation to me or one of the other native
> > English
> >> speaking Latinists.
> >>
> >> I am in the process of correcting the English and Latin texts
> > of all
> >> leges in the Tabularium, and have corrected up to and including
> > Lex LV, Lex
> >> Salicia Poenalis, as well as leges LVII to LXIV. All have been
> > sent to a
> >> praetor and the webmaster for further action according to the

law.

> >> Corrections to leges LXV (none), LXVI, and LXVII have been
> > drafted, and I
> >> expect to continue this as time permits. Lex LXVI (Didia

Gemina

> > Sceptia)
> >> has some difficulties of interpretation for which I would
> > appreciate the
> >> input of the writer.
> >>
> >> Our webmaster has informed me that he will upload the
> > corrections when I
> >> have finished with all of them, so we should expect that in the
> > fairly near
> >> future the Tabularium will more accurately reflect correct Latin
> > and English
> >> usage, and that we may also have translations of the leges into
> > Latin and
> >> other languages more readily available to our citizens and
> > interested
> >> outside parties.
> >>
> >> Valete,
> >>
> >> A. Tullia Scholastica
> >> Interpres Linguae Latinae
> >> Scriba Latinitati Censoris Gn. Equiti Marini
> >
> >
> >
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